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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2011, 04:00:34 PM »
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2011, 04:03:39 PM »
I agree.

Too many people keep them under incorrect, completely unacceptable conditions such as BOWLS. Thank God mine just died.


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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2011, 04:17:26 PM »
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2011, 04:26:21 PM »
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2011, 04:34:31 PM »
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2011, 09:12:52 PM »
I agree that goldfish are obviously not very smart animals and while they obviously shouldn't be treated with cruelty, they don't need an excessively large tank with amazing quality water. But this could then carry on to other kinds of fish, which do have special needs. Unlike goldfish, some fish require particular water conditions (ie. the Discus, which needs exceptional water quality and quite a low PH, as well as a well-planted tank). As was mentioned above, cichlids feel uncomfortable with a non-sand substrate.

And while goldfish are stupid animals, some fish are obviously quite smart. Oscars can be trained to hand-feed, and I've even seen instances where they were taught to swim through hoops and other obstacles in an experiment designed to test their intelligence. They can recognize their owners and quite often beg for food (my clown loaches often beg me for food when I walk into the room, but when my dad or sister walks through they usually become scared and swim away). If someone keeps 3 or 4 large, aggresive South American cichlids in a 4ft tank, should that not count as animal cruelty? They will be constantly fighting since their is nowhere near enough room to set up a territory, and the smaller/weaker one/s will eventually be killed.

Anyway, I guess the point is while this isn't a big deal for goldfish, there are a lot of other fish in the hobby which are not as stupid/easy to care for as the goldfish. Goldfish/guppies etc were probably targeted because they are largely impulse buys from unexperienced fishkeepers.


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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2011, 10:22:03 PM »
I understand the animal cruelty aspect and that how you take care of a goldfish may model how you would take care of a more advanced animal (IMO bigger, expensive fish, dogs, cats, babies, etc.).

But it's just a goldfish. If it dies, would someone (besides a child) really care that much?

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2011, 10:28:53 PM »
No, they wouldn't, but thats why the rule is a good one IMO - it discourages people from getting fish tanks in the first place, cause they can't buy cheap fish. The hobbyists will still be able to buy more expensive fish.

I still think Sigz idea on the front page is a good one.

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2011, 10:50:44 PM »
What's the point of having fish as a pet?

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2011, 10:53:07 PM »
I think it's like an animated painting.

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2011, 10:55:01 PM »
What's the point of having fish as a pet?
For one thing, I don't consider them pets at all.  And what's the point of having a flower bed?  They're interesting to keep and maintain.
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2011, 12:02:39 AM »
I find them more interesting than dogs and cats (I also have one of each of these, but my fish are my favourites :) ) I've always been interested in fish, reptiles and amphibians. Something about them, I dunno, I just enjoy watching them :)

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2011, 11:32:12 AM »
Another nifty aspect is that you can put a dog, cat, hamster, iguana or any other pet pretty much anywhere and it'll be fine.  They really don't have any problematic environmental concerns.  Fish require a completely separate living environment.  You've got to maintain a self supporting microcosm.  I certainly don't consider a fish to be anywhere near as interesting as a dog or cat, but I find maintaining a 12^3 ft chunk of the Amazon River in my living room to be fascinating. 
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2011, 12:30:08 PM »
And while goldfish are stupid animals, some fish are obviously quite smart. Oscars can be trained to hand-feed

I trained my Oscar to be hand fed, he got to be about a foot and I would hold a goldfish just about the water and he would take it right from my hand.  Is that cruelty? Let's not forget a large amount of sold gold fish are used as feeder fish for cichlids and other aggressive fish.

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2011, 01:04:21 AM »
Another nifty aspect is that you can put a dog, cat, hamster, iguana or any other pet pretty much anywhere and it'll be fine.  They really don't have any problematic environmental concerns.  Fish require a completely separate living environment.  You've got to maintain a self supporting microcosm.  I certainly don't consider a fish to be anywhere near as interesting as a dog or cat, but I find maintaining a 12^3 ft chunk of the Amazon River in my living room to be fascinating. 
This!

And in reply to cramx, Oscars eat other fish and animals in the wild. I'm not saying you should use live fish at every meal but using it occasionally is good for the Oscar. In the wild, especially when small, goldfish will get eaten by other fish, but they won't have to experience horrible water conditions like they are subject to in just little bowls.

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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2011, 08:19:27 AM »
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Re: Owning a Goldfish to Become Illegal?
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2011, 08:23:49 AM »
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