Pfft, hardly upstate. I'm up near Watertown.
don't gotta tell ME That, but when you're on the internet and not talking to fellow NYers you have to say that, otherwise they presume you're in NYC.
There's NYC, and there's upstate. That's it.
But yeah, you get some freakin brutal winters, then. My husband used to spend a lot of time north of there in a place called Sandy Pond. Man, that was a heck of a winter up THERE in... I think it was 1992. We drove on the lake with a truck... people were ice fishing and used to it but it freaked me right out!