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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #245 on: April 24, 2015, 11:48:47 AM »
He's basically The Joker. I prefer the more classical take on Moriarty, tbh.

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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #246 on: April 24, 2015, 04:48:25 PM »
I just started watching this show and I'm 5 episodes in (so almost done with the second season). I'm loving it! Could not stop watching- got through the first season in one night. My only complaint so far is this Moriarty dude- I don't find him very convincing as somebody I should be afraid of. Seems like you guys like him, so maybe there's a good reason for that later in the series, but when he was first introduced as himself in the pool scene I was like "Really? This is the mastermind behind all this?" *shrug*

The Season 2 finale is basically Moriarty at his very best. Now, I loved in in the Season 1 finale too so your mileage may vary, but don't write him off just yet.

Okay, I will be watching that one later tonight so I will let you know what I think  :D
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #247 on: April 26, 2015, 02:49:34 AM »
Okay, he was a little better in that episode but I still don't totally "buy" him.
In other news, I'm dying to know how the fuck Sherlock pulled off the death-faking thing, considering the circumstances. Clearly Molly is involved and I have some theories, but I still can't quite figure it out. Season 3 is on its way from the library...
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #248 on: April 26, 2015, 03:06:07 AM »
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That moment when he's faking being the actor and does the sob story and the minute that the female reporter isn't looking and he grins at Sherlock and John is amazing. SO GOOD

What did you think of the episode in general? Did the fact that you don't really buy the antagonist ruin your enjoyment of it?
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #249 on: April 26, 2015, 03:25:31 AM »
Each to their own. I love the BBC's Moriarty, and he is absolutely terrifying in that episode.

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« Reply #250 on: April 26, 2015, 03:51:15 AM »
I did enjoy the episode and I'm not saying he's terrible, but I'm still just not really threatened by him. It's like, yeah I get what he's capable of and I know I should find him scary, but I don't for some reason. But no, that didn't ruin the episode for me or anything. Sherlock's ridiculousness and his relationship with Watson are really the reasons I love the show, with the antagonists just there to sort of... shake things up.
Now that I think of it, I haven't really been super-impressed with any of the others. The taxi driver guy was kinda lame (I really liked the story leading up to his identity being revealed, though I was a bit surprised Sherlock didn't figure it out sooner- it was kind of a DUH) and the Chinese smugglers, meh. I really liked the whole HOUND concept but there was nothing special about that dude who was the brains behind it. Not sure how to classify her, but I do like Irene.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #251 on: April 26, 2015, 06:17:20 AM »
Yeah, besides Moriarty, Adler is the best 'villain' they've got. But even she was just working stuff out for Moriarty.

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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #252 on: April 26, 2015, 06:22:24 AM »
I'd actually say that beside Moriarty, that one guy that Jackie doesn't know yet is their best villain.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #253 on: April 26, 2015, 07:01:37 AM »
Yeah he's cool too. A real creep.

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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #254 on: April 26, 2015, 07:19:28 AM »
If you mean the guy from the last episode of series 3 i have to say he was just annoying. Once you find out his secret you lose all interest in him and it's obvious what's going to happen next.

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« Reply #255 on: April 26, 2015, 07:29:40 AM »
It might be obvious in retrospect but it was still an shocking twist for me on first viewing.
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« Reply #256 on: April 26, 2015, 07:31:21 AM »
It might be obvious in retrospect but it was still an shocking twist for me on first viewing.

Well, I didn't guess his secret on the first viewing, but like Kotowboy I totally called what will happen next instantly.
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« Reply #257 on: April 26, 2015, 07:39:14 AM »
I've heard people say that before, but I honestly didn't guess what would happen. Maybe I was just so into the story, or I'm just not clever enough.

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« Reply #258 on: April 26, 2015, 08:22:27 AM »
I've heard people say that before, but I honestly didn't guess what would happen. Maybe I was just so into the story, or I'm just not clever enough.

Yeah, same for me.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #259 on: April 26, 2015, 09:23:33 AM »
I've heard people say that before, but I honestly didn't guess what would happen. Maybe I was just so into the story, or I'm just not clever enough.
It's not a case of being clever enough - it also depends on assumptions you'll make about different characters, their motivations, and so on. I was also quite taken aback. It certainly wasn't obvious.

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« Reply #260 on: April 26, 2015, 12:17:23 PM »
I knew something of that kind would happen, but I was expecting Mycroft to kill him from the elicopter, even though that would have surely diminished the impact of the resolution
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« Reply #261 on: April 26, 2015, 02:01:00 PM »
Ohh, can't wait to find out wtf you're all talking about!  :lol
I'm guessing it will be at the library for me tomorrow.
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« Reply #262 on: April 26, 2015, 03:55:18 PM »
Ohh, can't wait to find out wtf you're all talking about!  :lol
I'm guessing it will be at the library for me tomorrow.

Don't focus too much on the twist, focus on the causes and the implications. The twist itself is not huge nor exceedingly shocking. It's not there for the shock value, so it's not in the league of The Red Wedding, or the Lily Of the Valley revelation, but it's a hugely developement moment for a certain character and after a few watching and a bit of thought is without a doubt the perfect conclusion for the episode and the season.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #263 on: April 26, 2015, 04:21:08 PM »
Just re-watched Season 2.

Wondering what Mark Gatiss meant by " the one clue you all missed " in The Reichenbach Fall.


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« Reply #264 on: April 26, 2015, 04:34:08 PM »
Just re-watched Season 2.

Wondering what Mark Gatiss meant by " the one clue you all missed " in The Reichenbach Fall.

It's likely that the actors missed that shooting too  :lo
To this day I have no idea what he could have meant.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #265 on: April 26, 2015, 05:00:00 PM »
The squash ball?

The hanging dummy at the start of the episode ?

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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #266 on: April 27, 2015, 04:17:16 AM »
You repel me ?
Repel.

Like rappel.

Like abseiling.

He was on a rope!!1

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« Reply #267 on: April 27, 2015, 05:34:48 AM »
Could have worked but she said it back to him later in the episode so....

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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #268 on: April 27, 2015, 06:24:59 AM »
Finally caught Baskerville yesterday.  Only one episode left in Season 2 for me.
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« Reply #269 on: April 27, 2015, 07:52:04 AM »
The Reichenbach Fall is my favourite Sherlock episode, so you're in for a treat.

Also what did you think of Hounds?
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« Reply #270 on: April 27, 2015, 08:03:30 AM »
The Reichenbach Fall is my favourite Sherlock episode, so you're in for a treat.

Also what did you think of Hounds?
I enjoyed it, but TBH, it was probably my least favorite of the episodes I've seen.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #271 on: April 27, 2015, 08:13:52 AM »
I wouldn't say that it's worse than The Blind Banker, but yeah, it's definitely one of the weaker ones.

Which only serves to show how ridiculously good this show is, I guess.
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« Reply #272 on: April 27, 2015, 08:21:18 AM »
I wouldn't say that it's worse than The Blind Banker, but yeah, it's definitely one of the weaker ones.

Which only serves to show how ridiculously good this show is, I guess.
I agree.  Nothing wrong with the episode, it's only in comparison with the others that it seems weak.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #273 on: April 28, 2015, 11:13:23 AM »
So. Best Sherlock Series ? I just watched all 9 episodes in two days and I have to say that series 3 is the weakest and doesn't have the fun of the first

 ( even though ironically it's perhaps more "light"  )

I think it's series 2 myself. The Reichenbach Fall is just sublime and even The Hound Of Baskerville can't bring it down ( it's not a bad episode as mentioned earlier but it's in the middle of

two much better episodes ).

Series 1 introduces the characters and has The Great Game but the Blind Banker is another medium episode and The Great Game < Reichenbach Fall.

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« Reply #274 on: April 28, 2015, 12:13:37 PM »
S3 is definitely the weakest. S1 and S2 are about equal for me, I like The Blind Banker more than Hounds, and I like Reichenbach more than The Great Game; and the first episodes of both seasons are just incredible and unfair to compare.
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« Reply #275 on: April 28, 2015, 01:54:49 PM »
I think season 2 is the best, but I can't quite decide on whether I like 1 or 3 more. Season 3 has some of my favorite moments of the entire show.

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« Reply #276 on: April 28, 2015, 02:00:07 PM »
Well, from favourite to least favourite:

3.3 - last vow
2.1 - Belgravia
2.3 - Reichenbach
3.2 - Sign Of Three
3.1 - hearse
1.3 - long game
1.1 - studio in pink
2.2 - baskerville
1.2 - blind banker

Awarding 9 points to the top episode and down to 1 point to the least favourite, the aggregate standings are:

S3: 20 points
S2: 17 points
S1: 8 points

So yeah, S3 is my favourite season of Sherlock so far.
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #277 on: April 28, 2015, 02:31:31 PM »
Yeah seasons 2 and 3 are my favourites, but I'd probably give the edge to season 2.

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« Reply #278 on: April 28, 2015, 11:15:44 PM »
I'm 2/3 through Season 3, so I'll let you know when I finish  :D
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Re: Sherlock
« Reply #279 on: April 29, 2015, 12:02:10 AM »
I'd say that S2 is my favourite, just by virtue of not having either The Empty Hearse or The Blind Banker - easily my two least favourite episodes of the show.

That said, all three are great.
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