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Offline Super Dude

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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #455 on: May 10, 2011, 11:54:58 AM »
Getting onto the bullet train in Japan was one of the most elaborate procedures I've ever undergone.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #456 on: May 10, 2011, 12:32:48 PM »
The kid next to me in the computer lab is playing Counter Strike and I think hes playing a custom map that's suppose to be Bin Laden's hideout.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #457 on: May 10, 2011, 09:21:33 PM »
Well, Al-Qaeda has already made their declarations. How long do you think until they try and make an attempt to attack the US? :( or do you think all the money the government has invested will pay off.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #458 on: May 10, 2011, 10:36:22 PM »
Quote from: emindead on May 10, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
Well, Al-Qaeda has already made their declarations. How long do you think until they try and make an attempt to attack the US? :( or do you think all the money the government has invested will pay off.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #459 on: May 10, 2011, 10:41:13 PM »
Another attack against post-9/11 America was inevitable even before Osama bin Laden was killed.
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« Reply #460 on: May 11, 2011, 03:17:06 AM »
Apparently one of the candidates for Al-Qaeda chief is a metalhead. Woot!  :D
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« Reply #461 on: May 11, 2011, 07:24:45 AM »
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Apparently one of the candidates for Al-Qaeda chief is a metalhead. Woot!  :D

When I googled Al Qaeda and Metal this was the first result...

https://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=237885

wtf?

And this was all I could find on the real story

https://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/2011/05/adam_gadahn_loves_death_metal.php
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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #462 on: May 11, 2011, 12:22:39 PM »
Quote from: Rathma on May 11, 2011, 03:17:06 AM
Apparently one of the candidates for Al-Qaeda chief is a metalhead. Woot!  :D

What the fuck?
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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #463 on: May 11, 2011, 12:23:41 PM »
Rathma. whoa.
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« Reply #464 on: May 11, 2011, 06:33:12 PM »


Apparently the dude used to have his own band  :o
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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #465 on: May 11, 2011, 06:36:55 PM »
You realize that you are talking about the next leader of a terrorist organization?  One that is going to be planning and acting to kill as many innocent people as they possibly can.  Yet here you are talking like the guy is going to be your next roomate.  Oh he loves death metal we are totally a match!!

FYI.  If you think a terrorist has even .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of coolness, WE ARE NOT A MATCH.
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« Reply #466 on: May 11, 2011, 06:58:16 PM »
The guy they're talking about is Azzam the American.  That last part pretty much makes him unqualified for the gig, I suspect.  He's from Orange County, converted in the 90s and moved to Pakistan.  He's kind of the rising star in al Qaeda, and as such, is the first American charged with treason since WWII (I think).  He's a pretty popular guy in the movement,  but I doubt they'd hand him the keys to the car.  Honestly, I doubt they'll appoint a new "leader" at all. 

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You realize that you are talking about the next leader of a terrorist organization?  One that is going to be planning and acting to kill as many innocent people as they possibly can.  Yet here you are talking like the guy is going to be your next roomate.  Oh he loves death metal we are totally a match!!

FYI.  If you think a terrorist has even .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of coolness, WE ARE NOT A MATCH.
A little melodramatic.  Plenty of people could make a similar argument about the last 6 presidents. 
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« Reply #467 on: May 11, 2011, 07:05:55 PM »
???  Bill Clinton liked death metal?
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« Reply #468 on: May 11, 2011, 08:20:53 PM »
I remember Al Gore being a megadeath fan.
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« Reply #469 on: May 11, 2011, 08:25:32 PM »
Bush was a Dream Theatre fan.
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« Reply #470 on: May 11, 2011, 09:08:40 PM »
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I remember Al Gore being a megadeath fan.

He invented Megadeath.
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« Reply #471 on: May 11, 2011, 09:23:30 PM »
Quote from: 7StringedBeast on May 11, 2011, 06:36:55 PM
You realize that you are talking about the next leader of a terrorist organization?  One that is going to be planning and acting to kill as many innocent people as they possibly can.

I find it hard to believe that Al Qaeda's strategy is just to kill as many people as possible. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending their actions or anything, just saying that it seems like you're misidentifying their intent. I think there are organizations that are much more evil and a threat to mankind than Al Qaeda.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #472 on: May 11, 2011, 09:30:09 PM »
Sorry, Rathma, I don't pay attention to terrible music  ;)
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« Reply #473 on: May 11, 2011, 09:30:47 PM »
Oops!  On the spelling.  But I find the ideology of a group like Al Qaeda more of a threat then a country.  So I still find them very high on the list.
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« Reply #474 on: May 11, 2011, 09:41:32 PM »
He raises an interesting point, though.  I'd say that their ideology is that of a complete disregard for American lives rather than murder.  The targets on 911 were the buildings as symbols.  Killing people was necessary to drive the message on home, but I don't think they cared one way or another about who or how many. 
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« Reply #475 on: May 11, 2011, 09:48:55 PM »
This could be said even about us too.  Look at Timothy McVeigh and his ideology.  This is the real danger to all mankind.  Again, it all leads to extremist.
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« Reply #476 on: May 11, 2011, 10:49:55 PM »
Quote from: El Barto on May 11, 2011, 09:41:32 PM
He raises an interesting point, though.  I'd say that their ideology is that of a complete disregard for American lives rather than murder.  The targets on 911 were the buildings as symbols.  Killing people was necessary to drive the message on home, but I don't think they cared one way or another about who or how many. 

Then why didn't they take out the statue of liberty if they were all about symbols?  They wanted people dead.  They want to kill people to cause fear.  Why would we fear terrorists if they weren't targeting people.  If no one ever died from terrorist attacks, it'd just be vandalism.

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From his diary:

"Strike smaller cities, bin Laden suggested. Target trains as well as planes. If possible, strike on significant dates, such as the Fourth of July and the upcoming 10th anniversary of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Above all, kill as many Americans as possible in a single attack."

Didn't care about killing Americans my ass.
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« Reply #477 on: May 11, 2011, 11:01:23 PM »
I think their main goal was to change American foreign policy, or to bring attention to it. Al Qaeda isn't the only organization that murders to accomplish their goals. Most governments do this. Then again, I'm still not sure whether Al Qaeda's motives are more religious or more political (if it's even meaningful to try to separate the two).
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« Reply #478 on: May 11, 2011, 11:08:46 PM »
Quote from: 7StringedBeast on May 11, 2011, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: El Barto on May 11, 2011, 09:41:32 PM
He raises an interesting point, though.  I'd say that their ideology is that of a complete disregard for American lives rather than murder.  The targets on 911 were the buildings as symbols.  Killing people was necessary to drive the message on home, but I don't think they cared one way or another about who or how many. 

Then why didn't they take out the statue of liberty if they were all about symbols?  They wanted people dead.  They want to kill people to cause fear.  Why would we fear terrorists if they weren't targeting people.  If no one ever died from terrorist attacks, it'd just be vandalism.

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https://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden

From his diary:

"Strike smaller cities, bin Laden suggested. Target trains as well as planes. If possible, strike on significant dates, such as the Fourth of July and the upcoming 10th anniversary of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Above all, kill as many Americans as possible in a single attack."

Didn't care about killing Americans my ass.

I think what is being discussed is the whether killing Americans was the end, or a means to an end.  The latter is what seems to be indicated by bin Laden's plans, and you seem to be arguing that it is the former.
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« Reply #479 on: May 12, 2011, 08:25:44 AM »
As I said in my post, killing was necessary, but like Doc Millahh said, it was probably not an end unto itself. 

Honestly,  if body count was their primary concern, they really bungled their choice of targets.  They had no way of expecting that the towers would actually collapse.  That was just good fortune [on their part].  They couldn't have had much expectation of actually damaging the Pentagon very much, at all.  The Capital could have been ugly [from the body count POV, at least], and in that instance, it would have been select casualties that they were after.  Killing a big chunk of Congress would have been much more appealing to them (and us, for that matter) than a bunch of secretaries and bankers. 

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« Reply #480 on: May 12, 2011, 02:50:11 PM »
I agree that it's more about the idea behing it. But the idea is naturally reinforced a lot if a ton of people die when conveying it.
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« Reply #481 on: May 12, 2011, 03:47:57 PM »
Quote from: El Barto on May 12, 2011, 08:25:44 AM
  They had no way of expecting that the towers would actually collapse.  That was just good fortune [on their part]. 


Not saying you're wrong, but Osama released a video shortly after 9/11 that said they anticipated the towers to collapse down to the point of impact, but never thought they would come completely down.
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« Reply #482 on: May 12, 2011, 07:33:17 PM »
I think I remember that.  Wasn't it from an interview though?

EDIT:  Found it.  Excerpt:

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-Blabbermouth:  So, Osama, would you say the last tour was a success?

-OBL:  Oh, yes.  Completely.  It exceeded out expectations considerably.

-Blabbermouth:  And the fans responded well.

-OBL:  Yes, yes.  They did.  You know, the other guys in the band had some trepidation before we went out.  But once we were out on the road, the response was just tremendous.

-Blabbermouth:  Now you had some issue with the pyrotechnics on the tour--

-OBL:  Well, not "issues" actually ON the tour.  It was-  Well, let me back up.  At the start, we let our tour manager handle it.  And we found out he hired the same pyro compnay that Metallica used on the GNR stadium tour.  So Mahmoud was like, "uh...you remember what happened to James Hetfield on that tour, right?" 

-Blabbermouth:  So that was a no go.

-OBL:  Yeah, and we really had to scramble to get something in place at the last minute.  And we were nervous because we didn't have time to even rehearse with it before the first show, so we didn't even know if it would look right with our stage show or anything.

-Blabbermouth:  So you actually went onstage without even seeing it first?

-OBL:  Oh yeah, it was crazy.  It was an outdoor show, and we're onstage with the city skyline behind us.

-Blabbermouth:  And this is the New York City show, right?

-OBL:  Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.  So we're coming to the end of our set, right?  I hit my open drop D power chord to end the last song, and Omar is going nuts on this huge tom roll for the "big rock & roll ending," waiting for the big pyro effect we had planned and we don't even know if it's going to work. 

-Blabbermouth:  So how was it supposed to go?

-OBL:  We just wanted these two big fireballs to explode right behind the stage so it would look like the buildings behind us were on fire, right?  So we're doing our big ending, right?  And the pyro crew actually has planes fly right into the f***ing buildings!

-Blabbermouth:  And how did the fans react?

-OBL:  Dude, it was HUGE!  I mean, imagine, you've got our guitars coming at you at about a million decibels, and then--BOOM!  The friggin' buildings just explode!  The fans were loving it.  Yeah, I mean, I'd say it was a huge success.

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