Author Topic: Apple Sue Samsung  (Read 4497 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Riceball

  • It's the economy, stupid.
  • Posts: 969
  • Gender: Male
Apple Sue Samsung
« on: April 18, 2011, 06:40:17 PM »
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/apple-sues-samsung-over-phone-tablet-designs/story-e6frg90x-1226041353433

Saw this on my daily news site this morning.

I for one can't see the basis for it; I mean are Apple claiming that they have copyright over touch screen tablets? It seems to me Apple might be getting a bit nervous about its competitors and this is more of a 'smoke and mirrors' type of suit designed to scare people rather than actually win compensation.

Interested in the forums view on this, and on what you think the implications would be if they were to win the suit.
I punch those numbers into my calculator and they make a happy face.

A $500 Musical Odyssey: Now accepting nominations

Offline SPNKr

  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2390
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 06:41:30 PM »
I use Windows.

Offline AcidLameLTE

  • Nae deal pal
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 11134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 06:45:45 PM »
Meh. Technology companies are suing each other left, right and centre at the moment so this doesn't really surprise me.

Offline Riceball

  • It's the economy, stupid.
  • Posts: 969
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 06:49:26 PM »
I was gonna edit my original post with that point - they do seem to be getting quite lawyer-happy at the moment. What do you think the drivers behind that are? Are they getting concerned about a shrinking market, or a market that is hitting capacity, and resorting to eliminating their competitors rather than growing their customer base?
I punch those numbers into my calculator and they make a happy face.

A $500 Musical Odyssey: Now accepting nominations

Offline rumborak

  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 26664
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2011, 06:52:10 PM »
Well, the thing is, if you win a suit like that, it's free money. I think that's the motivator.

The software patent system needs to be redesigned, badly.

rumborak
"I liked when Myung looked like a women's figure skating champion."

Offline Dimitrius

  • DT.net Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18218
  • Gender: Male
  • Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2011, 07:17:36 PM »
So Apple got tired of suing HTC, huh?
Joe and I in the same squad is basically the virtual equivalent of us plowing a rape van through an elementary school playground at recess.

Offline PlaysLikeMyung

  • Myung Protege Wannabe
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 8179
  • Gender: Male
  • Maurice Moss: Cooler than you
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2011, 09:23:38 PM »
:facepalm:

Offline orcus116

  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 9602
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2011, 09:40:09 PM »
If Apple was a band they'd be suing people left and right over chord progressions.

Offline rumborak

  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 26664
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 10:26:07 PM »
Starbucks saw a sharp spike in double-shot espresso when this news came out.

rumborak
"I liked when Myung looked like a women's figure skating champion."

Offline tjanuranus

  • Posts: 2234
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 11:06:12 PM »



Anyone Who has these patents would sue. It's a no brainer.

Offline rumborak

  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 26664
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2011, 11:31:59 PM »
Well, there's supposed to be a non-obvious aspect to an invention. Isn't the iPhone and iPad brutally obvious in their design?

rumborak
"I liked when Myung looked like a women's figure skating champion."

Offline tri.ad

  • The Invisible Man
  • DT.net Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7901
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 11:45:52 PM »
Apple keep suing. What a surprise.
... And you ask me: "Where's my hairspray?"

Mentlegen.

Offline MetalManiac666

  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2650
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2011, 12:48:20 AM »
meh

Offline vivid2012

  • Posts: 17
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2011, 02:27:47 AM »
So Apple got tired of suing HTC, huh?
Might be tired.

Offline Martinman300

  • Posts: 334
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2011, 02:37:48 AM »
To be fair, those accessories are just like the iPad's.

Offline Sigz

  • BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13537
  • Gender: Male
  • THRONES FOR THE THRONE SKULL
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2011, 02:58:34 AM »
Well, there's supposed to be a non-obvious aspect to an invention. Isn't the iPhone and iPad brutally obvious in their design?

rumborak

Seriously, what exactly did they patent? A rectangular touch screen with square icons?
Quote
The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.

Offline 5

  • Serial thread killer
  • DT.net Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 621
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2011, 04:36:22 AM »
Honestly, I'm not that surprised - the Samsung products really do seem to resemble Apple's stuff very closely.
 

Offline MajorMatt

  • DT.net Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 591
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2011, 04:53:59 AM »
I wonder how this will affect the Apple/Samsung relationship, Apple use Samsung components in some of their products do they not.

Offline AcidLameLTE

  • Nae deal pal
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 11134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2011, 05:28:02 AM »
Apple uses A LOT of Samsung components.

Offline zerogravityfat

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 6204
  • There can be only one.
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2011, 05:53:14 AM »
Apple uses A LOT of Samsung components.

not anymore they won't. samsung said they are forced to retaliate heavily, say goodbye to quality electronics apple and duh and/or hello to shitty parts which fail.
DTF.  More reliable than the AP since 2009. -millahh

Offline AcidLameLTE

  • Nae deal pal
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 11134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2011, 06:04:21 AM »
And, of course, Samsung are going to sue them for infringement on their patents as well (they suspect Apple are infringing on some of their wireless patents).

Offline kári

  • Meow
  • DTF.com Member
  • **
  • Posts: 7695
  • Gender: Male
  • það besta sem guð hefur skapað er nýr dagur
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2011, 06:08:17 AM »
Apple uses A LOT of Samsung components.

not anymore they won't. samsung said they are forced to retaliate heavily, say goodbye to quality electronics apple and duh and/or hello to shitty parts which fail.
So they're going to give up a big client of theirs as well.. Lose even more money?

You and me go parallel, together and apart

Offline tjanuranus

  • Posts: 2234
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2011, 08:21:33 AM »
Like samsung is the only company that can make what apple needs. Plus looks like they may win this case which would meean tons of money. I don't think apple would have done this if they weren't sure they could win. They aren't about losing money.

Offline AcidLameLTE

  • Nae deal pal
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 11134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2011, 08:26:34 AM »
What company ARE about losing money? :lol

Offline kári

  • Meow
  • DTF.com Member
  • **
  • Posts: 7695
  • Gender: Male
  • það besta sem guð hefur skapað er nýr dagur
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2011, 08:38:13 AM »
Like samsung is the only company that can make what apple needs. Plus looks like they may win this case which would meean tons of money. I don't think apple would have done this if they weren't sure they could win. They aren't about losing money.
I don't think Samsung would have done this if they weren't sure they could win a potential lawsuit. Only one of them can be right.

You and me go parallel, together and apart

Offline Perpetual Change

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 12264
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2011, 08:42:40 AM »
Like samsung is the only company that can make what apple needs. Plus looks like they may win this case which would meean tons of money. I don't think apple would have done this if they weren't sure they could win. They aren't about losing money.

There's no way they win this. The devices are no more similar than any other two tables. Apple just hate having competition, even more than they hate the fact you might want to do something they don't like with your iPad.

Offline lordxizor

  • EZBoard Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 5331
  • Gender: Male
  • and that is the truth.
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2011, 09:06:54 AM »
This is only news because it's Apple and people love to hate Apple. Companies sue each other all the time for stuff like this and it's rarely newsworthy. Either nothing will come of it or there will be a quiet settlement just like very other time.

Offline AcidLameLTE

  • Nae deal pal
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 11134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2011, 09:34:26 AM »
What? I don't know why this guy posted the article on DTF but I hear about technology companies suing each other all the time :S

Offline zerogravityfat

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 6204
  • There can be only one.
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2011, 10:01:39 AM »
Apple uses A LOT of Samsung components.

not anymore they won't. samsung said they are forced to retaliate heavily, say goodbye to quality electronics apple and duh and/or hello to shitty parts which fail.
So they're going to give up a big client of theirs as well.. Lose even more money?

well apple is the idiot for starting the shit on their manufacturer. samsung can't exactly bend over and take it.
DTF.  More reliable than the AP since 2009. -millahh

Offline slycordinator

  • Posts: 1303
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2011, 11:08:30 AM »
Plus looks like they may win this case which would meean tons of money. I don't think apple would have done this if they weren't sure they could win. They aren't about losing money.
They've lost cases before...

Offline KevShmev

  • EZBoard Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 41963
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2011, 12:19:08 PM »
This is only news because it's Apple and people love to hate Apple.

It goes both ways. Some people defend and stick up for Apple so much, you'd think they were CEO of the damn company.  Me personally, I own an iMac, but I couldn't care less what Apple does or if they lose every case in the world.

Offline Riceball

  • It's the economy, stupid.
  • Posts: 969
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2011, 05:48:55 PM »
Like samsung is the only company that can make what apple needs. Plus looks like they may win this case which would meean tons of money. I don't think apple would have done this if they weren't sure they could win. They aren't about losing money.

There's no way they win this. The devices are no more similar than any other two tables. Apple just hate having competition, even more than they hate the fact you might want to do something they don't like with your iPad.

That's the way I'm leaning with this too.

Its almost like they are saying 'tabletz r owerz noone can haz'; trying to scare potential new entrants or setting up artificial barriers to entry by saying to any potential tablet producers: "if you make a tablet, you are gonna have to pay x amount in legal fees to defend yourself against our frivolous suits"
I punch those numbers into my calculator and they make a happy face.

A $500 Musical Odyssey: Now accepting nominations

Offline Riceball

  • It's the economy, stupid.
  • Posts: 969
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2011, 05:49:48 PM »
What? I don't know why this guy posted the article on DTF but I hear about technology companies suing each other all the time :S

This guys posted the article on DTF to discuss it.

You know, like you do on a discussion board? Seems to have worked too ;D
I punch those numbers into my calculator and they make a happy face.

A $500 Musical Odyssey: Now accepting nominations

Offline tjanuranus

  • Posts: 2234
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2011, 06:45:17 PM »
Here is an in depth analysis with all the claims with photos. In order to really understand the case this link should really be read.

https://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/


Here is the conclusion at the end.

So that’s the rundown — the sixteen specific claims Apple’s making against Samsung, as well as what it’s asking the court to do. Taken as a group, it feels like a remarkably solid case — Samsung can’t just up and countersue Apple with its own patents and hope to walk away with a handshake and a cross-license because of the various trademark, trade dress, and design patent claims. How the company decides to deal with those issues remains to be seen; there’s no question in my mind that Samsung designed TouchWiz to look and feel as much like iOS as possible, and then marketed it as such. (More than one of my friends has come back from a Verizon store with a Fascinate having been told that it’s “basically the same as an iPhone.”)

In that context, Apple’s Android-specific patent claims almost seem like a foundation on which to build the case against TouchWiz, not the indirect swipe at Android itself that I’ve come to expect from these lawsuits. Depending on the strength of Samsung’s promised reply and countersuit, my guess is that Apple might be willing to eventually settle the patent claims but will push the trademark and trade dress claims as far as it can — if Apple loses those it’s open season on the iOS aesthetic. You can bet Steve Jobs and Tim Cook aren’t about to let that happen.

Compared to the almost standard patent-vs-patent rocket-docket-plus-ITC lawsuits we’ve been seeing across the industry, this case is definitely a novelty — and I am very, very curious to see how Samsung responds.

Offline AcidLameLTE

  • Nae deal pal
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 11134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Apple Sue Samsung
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2011, 06:59:01 PM »
Seriously, suing over a user interface is one of the lamest things ever.

I'm sure it was a completely different when Creative were suing Apple over the UI they were using on their iPods.