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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2011, 09:47:22 PM »
I think religion would be far less controversial if at least some of the awesome stuff we hear about in the Bible happened around our time, not when people thought stars were holes in the firmament spanned in a half-sphere over a flat earth.

FYI, not everybody who ever lived in the world in all of history before 1950 believed the same thing as medieval Europeans.

Please don't tell me you think that the authors of the Bible knew the true composition of the universe, wrote it down cryptically and misleadingly, and then as a society forgot it again, only for the Europeans to come up with the aforementioned notion.

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No. But that also doesn't mean everybody was ignorant of science until the enlightenment.

I suppose it doesn't mean that, but they pretty much were ignorant. History hadn't even reached the Greeks yet. If there was any critical thought about science, it was either kept quiet or the heretics were killed for even insinuating such a fact.

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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2011, 09:53:21 PM »
The vast majority of people are still ignorant of science.
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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2011, 10:00:13 PM »
The Case for Christ was pretty cool, at least to me at the time when I was still trying to learn about these arguments.

However, I love The Case for a Creator. I read it recently. It goes into the science part of it (and even some mathematical arguments) and it was a great read. Don't know if I agree with everything in it, though, and it may be a little dated now.

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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2011, 10:04:52 PM »
The vast majority of people are still ignorant of science.

Of that there is no doubt. But, if you were to take the highest levels of understanding and compare them between then and now, the difference is nothing short of exponential.

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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2011, 02:42:27 AM »

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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2011, 11:00:58 AM »
The vast majority of people are still ignorant of science.
No they aren't. In fact, science literacy is increasing.



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No. But that also doesn't mean everybody was ignorant of science until the enlightenment.
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I suppose it doesn't mean that, but they pretty much were ignorant. History hadn't even reached the Greeks yet. If there was any critical thought about science, it was either kept quiet or the heretics were killed for even insinuating such a fact.
Obviously they didn't know as much as we know now. But this line of argument is used to support a  cartoonish narrative about belief: religious people had fairy tales because they couldn't explain lightening. Fortunately, science stepped up and revealed the mysteries of the natural world.  That is not true

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Re: The Case for Christ
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2011, 12:27:15 PM »
Eh. If you look at the OT stories, they reek of natural disasters being wrongly ascribed to deities. In the OT (~500BC), there are

- floods
- famines
- plagues
- earthquakes

Let's compare that to today. Today there are

- floods (Pakistan)
- famines (Africa)
- plagues (Haiti)
- earthquakes (Japan)

What's the difference? None, only that we don't ascribe them wrongly to deities anymore.

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