Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!

[Sigz]

Sure, but unless the hardware you're connecting supports and requires that bandwidth, it's pointless. Keyboards/mice have no need for it, and, as, XJ pointed out, hard drives have way more limited write speeds than that, so pretty much every other large capacity piece of hardware you'd need such speed for is already bottlenecked by it's own limitations. It's like getting a trailer hitch for a truck that can support 100 tons of weight, but your truck can only pull 10 tons.

[zxlkho]

Sigz wins the thread.

[XJDenton]

I'm sure it will get some use in the pro sector like Firewire has made some headway in the pro audio sector. But I can't see it being the next big thing. Especially when every PC on earth uses USB for pretty much everything. Whatever the specs thunderbolt has, USB 3.0 has the advantage that 99% of existing hardware can use it, compared to thunderbolts launch line of about 5 items.

[tjanuranus]

ok then why would Intel spend years and MILLIONS of dollars developing this if there was no point. What's the point of USB3 then? or esata or anything that is made to increase speed.

[Dimitrius]

ok then why would Intel spend years and MILLIONS of dollars developing this if there was no point.

For the same reason Apple spend years developing FireWire.

[tjanuranus]

Yeah to guys are right it's useless garbage.

[MetalJunkie]

I don't know if it's useless garbage. It's certainly not the next big thing, though.

[Quadrochosis]

ok then why would Intel spend years and MILLIONS of dollars developing this if there was no point.

For the same reason Apple spend years developing FireWire.

This, this is essentially how all big companies work. They spend a ton of money developing something relatively useless or unnecessary and then create a huge advertising shitstorm and it gets blown completely out of proportion. Then, the average consumer, being about as intelligent as a dinosaur, buys it.

[PlaysLikeMyung]

ok then why would Intel spend years and MILLIONS of dollars developing this if there was no point.

For the same reason Apple spend years developing FireWire.

This, this is essentially how all big companies work. They spend a ton of money developing something relatively useless or unnecessary and then create a huge advertising shitstorm and it gets blown completely out of proportion. Then, the average consumer, being about as intelligent as a dinosaur, buys it.

tl;dr: Apple

[MetalJunkie]

ok then why would Intel spend years and MILLIONS of dollars developing this if there was no point.

For the same reason Apple spend years developing FireWire.

This, this is essentially how all big companies work. They spend a ton of money developing something relatively useless or unnecessary and then create a huge advertising shitstorm and it gets blown completely out of proportion. Then, the average consumer, being about as intelligent as a dinosaur, buys it.

And all this is extremely effective in providing material for Dilbert.

[Volk9]

[MetalJunkie]

Boy, he sure is skinny.

[Vivace]

 The biggest thing Lightpeak needs to prove is not speed but affordability. USB is uber cheap to manufacture thus it doesn't drive the price of PCs up and you can have 10 plugs on your computer. How expensive is Lightpeak to manufacture? This was one of the biggest downfalls for firewire and why it never caught on as much as USB. If Lightpeak cannot provide the same inexpensive hardware that USB has, it won't make it in the current marketplace.

[zxlkho]

This thread made me lol so hard.

[kári]

Sure, but unless the hardware you're connecting supports and requires that bandwidth, it's pointless. Keyboards/mice have no need for it, and, as, XJ pointed out, hard drives have way more limited write speeds than that, so pretty much every other large capacity piece of hardware you'd need such speed for is already bottlenecked by it's own limitations. It's like getting a trailer hitch for a truck that can support 100 tons of weight, but your truck can only pull 10 tons.

Yes but what about flash drives? I think 5 years or so we'll all have SSDs.

[emindead]

So this is just a first step and maybe in some years it'll become standard. Cool.

[webpoet73]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

[Sigz]

Not really. I honestly just don't see what's exciting about a new connection, high transfer rates or not. Sure, it could become the norm in five years after the rest of our hardware catches up, and if it does cool beans. But I don't generally smile myself over new technology, and this certainly isn't going to have much of an impact on my life any time soon, so I don't see much reason to be excited.

[XJDenton]

Sure, but unless the hardware you're connecting supports and requires that bandwidth, it's pointless. Keyboards/mice have no need for it, and, as, XJ pointed out, hard drives have way more limited write speeds than that, so pretty much every other large capacity piece of hardware you'd need such speed for is already bottlenecked by it's own limitations. It's like getting a trailer hitch for a truck that can support 100 tons of weight, but your truck can only pull 10 tons.

Yes but what about flash drives? I think 5 years or so we'll all have SSDs.

Currently they top out at 250 mb/s. And thats the ultra fast ones. And SSDs won't take over the sector until they are somewhat comparable in size.

[Dimitrius]

Not really. I honestly just don't see what's exciting about a new connection, high transfer rates or not. Sure, it could become the norm in five years after the rest of our hardware catches up, and if it does cool beans.

[Vivace]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

Could you give us some evidence of this statement. It kinda sounds like it's all a lot of hot air but maybe I'm missing a few key pieces from articles and studies that actually make the above statement hold any merit whatsoever?

[webpoet73]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

Could you give us some evidence of this statement. It kinda sounds like it's all a lot of hot air but maybe I'm missing a few key pieces from articles and studies that actually make the above statement hold any merit whatsoever?

Just read the comments at Engadget.  That is more than enough proof.  If this had been MS and Intel, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.   Apple is the most loved/hated company.  Even more so than Microsoft.

[tjanuranus]

yes if the Thread title was Intel and Google coming out with LightPeak today. I would be mopping up the semen from this forums floor.

[tjanuranus]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

Could you give us some evidence of this statement. It kinda sounds like it's all a lot of hot air but maybe I'm missing a few key pieces from articles and studies that actually make the above statement hold any merit whatsoever?

Just read the comments at Engadget.  That is more than enough proof.  If this had been MS and Intel, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.   Apple is the most loved/hated company.  Even more so than Microsoft.

Do people even hate microsoft anymore? The apple faithful i don't believe do.  Because they aren't really a competitor. They own the Desktop OS market. Apple isn't trying to compete there anymore. Their OS is for their products only and that's the way it is and that's the way i like it. I hope that NEVER changes.

Honestly i don't understand all the hate for apple or any other company. They are major corporations if you don't like them don't buy their products. This goes for any company. For instance i personally can't stand Windows. But i don't start threads about how Microsoft sucks ass and Apple is so much better or whatever, like certain threads on this board in particular. And then of course the Nostradomus statements like Lightpeak will be a failure and no one will use it, etc...

I've used apple products almost exclusively since the late 90's because of love the way they work and the way they integrate all of their products. I could go into a lot more detail but that would be pointless. I'm currently in school so i can work for the damn company (as i stated in a different thread.) because i believe in the company and it's been a dream of mine to do so. But if anyone wants to use ANY other product more power to them. But to hate those other companies that you would start threads just to bash them or take the chance in any tech thread to bash them? Seems pretty pathetic to me.

[SDFprowler]

Do people even hate microsoft anymore? The apple faithful i don't believe do.  Because they aren't really a competitor. They own the Desktop OS market. Apple isn't trying to compete there anymore. Their OS is for their products only and that's the way it is and that's the way i like it. I hope that NEVER changes.

Honestly i don't understand all the hate for apple or any other company. They are major corporations if you don't like them don't buy their products. This goes for any company. For instance i personally can't stand Windows. But i don't start threads about how Microsoft sucks ass and Apple is so much better or whatever, like certain threads on this board in particular. And then of course the Nostradomus statements like Lightpeak will be a failure and no one will use it, etc...

I've used apple products almost exclusively since the late 90's because of love the way they work and the way they integrate all of their products. I could into a lot more detail but that would be pointless. I'm currently in school so i can work for the damn company (as i stated in a different thread.) because i believe in the company and it's been a dream of mine to do so. But if anyone wants to use ANY other product more power to them. But to hate those other companies that you would start threads just to bash them or take the chance in any tech thread to bash them? Seems pretty pathetic to me.

Well said.  I don't use any Apple products and I don't care to, but I certainly don't hate the company.  They're kicking huge amounts of ass in most of what they do.

[Vivace]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

Could you give us some evidence of this statement. It kinda sounds like it's all a lot of hot air but maybe I'm missing a few key pieces from articles and studies that actually make the above statement hold any merit whatsoever?

Just read the comments at Engadget.  That is more than enough proof.  If this had been MS and Intel, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.   Apple is the most loved/hated company.  Even more so than Microsoft.

So you state from Engadget that seems to be a anything technical site that anyone who said something negative about Lightpeak is automatically anti-Mac? Isn't that like saying if I don't like Sarah Palin I'm automatically anti-american? Do you see the fault in this logic? Granted it is the internet so cynicism breeds like a cancer and we both know there are people out there who do exist under the above criteria but above blanket statements like that is pretty much the reason I stopped arguing or even listening to Mac or PC fanatics.

[webpoet73]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

Could you give us some evidence of this statement. It kinda sounds like it's all a lot of hot air but maybe I'm missing a few key pieces from articles and studies that actually make the above statement hold any merit whatsoever?

Just read the comments at Engadget.  That is more than enough proof.  If this had been MS and Intel, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.   Apple is the most loved/hated company.  Even more so than Microsoft.

So you state from Engadget that seems to be a anything technical site that anyone who said something negative about Lightpeak is automatically anti-Mac? Isn't that like saying if I don't like Sarah Palin I'm automatically anti-american? Do you see the fault in this logic? Granted it is the internet so cynicism breeds like a cancer and we both know there are people out there who do exist under the above criteria but above blanket statements like that is pretty much the reason I stopped arguing or even listening to Mac or PC fanatics.

Doesn't have to be lightpeak or whatever... read the comments on anything Apple-releated at Engadget or Gizmodo.  The iPhone seems to stir up the most "emotions."  Again, Apple is the most loved/hated company in tech.  I don't there this is much middle ground. 

[XJDenton]

My scepticism for Lightpeak is independent of my opinions of apple.

[PlaysLikeMyung]

I am sure that if this didn't have Apple's involvement in it, people might be more excited.  The moment "Apple" is mentioned, the PC crowd immediately dismisses it.

Could you give us some evidence of this statement. It kinda sounds like it's all a lot of hot air but maybe I'm missing a few key pieces from articles and studies that actually make the above statement hold any merit whatsoever?

Just read the comments at Engadget.  That is more than enough proof.  If this had been MS and Intel, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.   Apple is the most loved/hated company.  Even more so than Microsoft.

Do people even hate microsoft anymore? The apple faithful i don't believe do.  Because they aren't really a competitor. They own the Desktop OS market. Apple isn't trying to compete there anymore. Their OS is for their products only and that's the way it is and that's the way i like it. I hope that NEVER changes.

Honestly i don't understand all the hate for apple or any other company. They are major corporations if you don't like them don't buy their products. This goes for any company. For instance i personally can't stand Windows. But i don't start threads about how Microsoft sucks ass and Apple is so much better or whatever, like certain threads on this board in particular. And then of course the Nostradomus statements like Lightpeak will be a failure and no one will use it, etc...

I've used apple products almost exclusively since the late 90's because of love the way they work and the way they integrate all of their products. I could go into a lot more detail but that would be pointless. I'm currently in school so i can work for the damn company (as i stated in a different thread.) because i believe in the company and it's been a dream of mine to do so. But if anyone wants to use ANY other product more power to them. But to hate those other companies that you would start threads just to bash them or take the chance in any tech thread to bash them? Seems pretty pathetic to me.

I'm not a techie, so I usually don't give a shit about new technology. What I despise, though, is the way Apple markets their brand; not their product. And they're wildly successful at that, based on your reactions to this product alone.

[tjanuranus]

what do you mean based on my reaction to this product? They haven't marketed light peak. They put it on their mbpros. That's it. I've been waiting for this for years now.

[tjanuranus]

Looks like the first consumer Hd's are coming out with thunderbolt in a few weeks. I will be switching over to all thunderbolt products once i get a new mac! might be a couple years though. Mine still works fine at the moment.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/24/hands-on-video-of-lacie-little-big-disk-ssd-with-thunderbolt/

Hands-On Video of LaCie Little Big Disk SSD With Thunderbolt

VIDEO IN LINK ABOVE...

Since Apple and Intel introduced the Thunderbolt high-speed connectivity standard back in February, users have been waiting for third-party manufacturers to deliver compatible peripherals taking advantage of the significant speed boost over existing mainstream interfaces.

At the Thunderbolt debut, prominent external hard drive solution provider LaCie was one of the first to commit to the new connectivity standard, noting that it was planning to release Thunderbolt-enabled versions of its Little Big Disk external hard drives.


SlashGear today posted a hands-on video with the Thunderbolt-enabled Little Big Disk, showing off an SSD-based version packing two 160 GB drives. LaCie's setup saw two such drives daisy-chained in a RAID 0 configuration with a 24-inch display tacked on at the end of the chain, all connected to a Core i7-based MacBook Pro. The drive setup was able to handle impressive read speeds of over 825 MB/sec and write speeds of over 350 MB/sec.
The first demo was a raw speed test, reading and writing to the drives with 4GB files. As you can see in the video, the MBP was able to write at up to 352.5 MB/s, while read speeds reached 827.2 MB/s. The company told us that the same setup had hit 870 MB/s peaks in their own testing.

The second test was playing back three simultaneous video files stored on the drives, each coming in at 1080p Full HD resolution. Again, as in the video, playback was stutter-free whether windowed or full-screen. We were also able to scrub back and forth through the clip - with the two others running in the background - with no lag or pauses.

SSD models of the Little Big Disk with Thunderbolt are due to ship this summer ("a question of weeks from now", according to the LaCie representative), but pricing has not yet been released. More budget-friendly models based on traditional hard drives are also in the works, although LaCie has yet to offer a release timeline for those models.

[rumborak]

As others have mentioned, wireless is where it's at. I think USB over wireless already exists, but it needs to become more prevalent.

rumborak

[tjanuranus]

As others have mentioned, wireless is where it's at. I think USB over wireless already exists, but it needs to become more prevalent.

rumborak

Wireless for this type of work? Maybe in 20 years. Watch the video and tell me how long you think it will be before wireless can do that. We will both probably be dead.

[TL]

I'd say it will be at most 5 years before we see a wireless solution that can do that.

[tjanuranus]

There is no way in 5 years if this technology is just coming out now for hard wire it's a long way off for wireless.