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Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« on: February 24, 2011, 01:23:17 AM »
Intel and apple have been working on a technology called light peak (if you didn't know.) No one knew when it was going to be ready but it seems it's coming out today! Intel is going to announce it tomorrow and apple is going to put it in their new macbook pros being announced tomorrow. This will do away with USB3 most likely because Intel will be implementing it with all of their chipsets. Starting out with minimum 10gb per second transfer rate going up to 100 gbps! Also networking is possible with it. Here is the low down...

CNet reports that Intel's media event starts at 10 a.m. Pacific on Thursday, February 24th. CNet believes that Intel will be unveiling final details of Light Peak.
[Light Peak is] a transmission technology designed by Intel that promises to bring 10-gigabit-per-second speeds for data transfers to and from external devices, besting recently introduced solutions like USB 3.0. Intel's broader vision is to have it replace the myriad specialty ports on laptops and desktop machines with one that can do just about everything, while scaling its bandwidth potential to support future computing needs.

CNet expects that Apple will not officially launch the new MacBook Pros until after the Intel event. Intel's event starts at 10 a.m. Pacific / 1 p.m. Eastern.

Meanwhile, we've learned that the term "Thunderbolt" is actually labeled as an Intel trademark on the leaked MacBook Pro packaging, so we suspect that will be the name used for the technology broadly across all platforms.

As for why Thunderbolt (formerly Light Peak) uses the DisplayPort connector rather than the USB one, The Wall Street Journal Digits blog speculates that USB Implementers Forum wasn't happy about Intel co-opting their plug:
The USB Implementers Forum -- which oversees the evolution of that ubiquitous variety of connectors -- put out a statement last summer that did not sound particularly friendly to Light Peak. "USB connectors are not general purpose connectors and are not designed to be used in support of other technology applications or standards or as combo connectors," the group said.

Meanwhile, Apple designed the mini DisplayPort connector and opened it for free licensing, which may offer some explanation as to its choice. We're certain to hear more details Thursday.




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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 01:40:13 AM »
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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 01:59:03 AM »
yeah i intentionally copied it from there. Whats the problem? lol

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 01:59:22 AM »
the first part is my own post

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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 02:26:09 AM »
yeah i intentionally copied it from there. Whats the problem? lol

The problem is not citing your source.  If you want to post an article, fine, but post a link to the original article as well. 

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 02:46:11 AM »
ok ok i was just excited and geeking out for a minute. Been waiting a long time for this day! larl

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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 04:58:29 AM »
Seems pointless to me.
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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 04:59:31 AM »
Why not invent a unique "plug"? All you need is to install a PCI card on computers without it until it becomes standard like USB. This sounds awesome though.
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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 05:28:40 AM »
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Firewire anyone?

Why invent a faster way to transfer data with a cord when everyone wants everything transmitted wirelessly.

I guess LAN and Help Desk people will be able to make use of this, but I don't see alot of home use for corded data transfer speeds of that magnitude. (I typed that last sentence using Admiral Ackbar's voice at the same time)
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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 08:13:58 AM »
Now all we need is for various manufacturers to invent 12 different proprietary interfaces for the thing so that everybody's constantly buying new cables for each device they own. 
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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 08:25:53 AM »
This helps for playing HD Media through an external hard drive without needing a RAID card or a Fiber card.  I can see it being used for video editing/audio editing.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 08:38:04 AM »
Power over ethernet already does most of what its trying to do.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 10:33:17 AM »
I don't think some of you are getting it. The idea is for this to replace every connection. FireWire USB Ethernet etc... The first stage of it can be up to 100gbps. So this one cable can sync your computer your iPod iphone iPad (or other manufacturer equivalent) and do networking. Also hard drives, audio and video equipment, anything really. Since intel is behind it the likely hood of it succeeding is very high.

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 03:35:23 PM »
here are some demo vids from today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kidmWiqKzqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY5TjnR5Z-c

This is rumored to be on the iPad2 also. I plan on getting one now that i found out i can program and compile Java on it. Won't need to bring my mbpro to class anymore.


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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 05:23:16 PM »
I don't think some of you are getting it. The idea is for this to replace every connection. FireWire USB Ethernet etc... The first stage of it can be up to 100gbps. So this one cable can sync your computer your iPod iphone iPad (or other manufacturer equivalent) and do networking. Also hard drives, audio and video equipment, anything really. Since intel is behind it the likely hood of it succeeding is very high.

I think firewire had the same ambitions.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2011, 07:03:32 PM »
huge difference. Firewire was mainly an apple thing originally. This is an intel thing that apple worked on them with. Intel is supported this from now in chipsets. They don't even't support usb3. Did you watch the videos? There is NOTHING like that on the market. It's exciting stuff!

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2011, 03:24:50 AM »
huge difference. Firewire was mainly an apple thing originally. This is an intel thing that apple worked on them with. Intel is supported this from now in chipsets. They don't even't support usb3. Did you watch the videos? There is NOTHING like that on the market. It's exciting stuff!

you seem to be a bit over-excited for this, not to say that this is exciting to begin with but in a nutshell, firewire was built as a replacement for SCSI yet it still was also a connector for printing devices, cameras, and even some hard drives. In a sense, Firewire, although not pushed as a universal replacement at the time, I believe the long term idea was a bit more lofty than what the developers had for it at the time. manufactures are all trying to come out with the "universal" plug and this new technology coming out with Intel backing it is just another one of those "universal" plugs. USB3.0 was vying for that but since 100 is greater than 30 I have a feeling people will want to push over to Lightpeak. Time will only tell if it really does become what it was meant to be and a LOT of that will be based on the market entirely. I would suspect that this is not the end-all of universal plugs and that in time more will be invented. It's way too early in the game to write off USB or Firewire at this point. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2011, 08:52:08 AM »
omg this video just got me SUPER hard

https://www.viddler.com/simple/bb1f5092/

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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2011, 11:04:56 AM »
Impressive speed, but still not seeing the excitement for the average consumer. Unless PCs come with 8 harddisc RAID 0 arrays as standard and I have missed that.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2011, 12:37:42 PM »
really? Transfering 5 gigs in 5 seconds wouldn't appeal to the average customer? I think it would. Hook your iphone, iPad or droid up to your computer and transfer all your music and videos in seconds. I think that will go over well!

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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2011, 12:58:34 PM »
Pretty much all hard drives top out at 150 mb/s, and in real terms are often alot lower than that, so yeah, the average consumer doesn't have much need beyond USB 2.0 or estata.
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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2011, 01:03:41 PM »
really? Transfering 5 gigs in 5 seconds wouldn't appeal to the average customer?

If that average consumer is standing in front of the microwave while their cup of coffee heats up, impatiently shouting, "C'MON, C'MON!"

But seriously, how much data does the average consumer have, and wish to transfer on any regular basis? I have 40gb on my computer total, and would never need to transfer significant amounts of data in seconds.
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2011, 02:10:48 PM »
40 gigs? i had to guy by a 3tb external drive so i can properly do Time Machine backups. I got a raid enclosure for it so i can add another 3tb drive in the future when needed. Storing video files takes up a lot of space and many people are now going away from dvd's and storing on the computer. Of course it's not only video but yeah there is a need for it. I have a 60 gig SSD in my laptop just for the OS and apps. I store documents and light stuff on it. By i have a second 500 gig 7200 drive in the laptop for real storage. I'm doing mostly what the average user would do. Ripping, downloading, burning etc...

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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2011, 02:18:19 PM »
40 gigs? i had to guy by a 3tb external drive so i can properly do Time Machine backups. I got a raid enclosure for it so i can add another 3tb drive in the future when needed. Storing video files takes up a lot of space and many people are now going away from dvd's and storing on the computer. Of course it's not only video but yeah there is a need for it. I have a 60 gig SSD in my laptop just for the OS and apps. I store documents and light stuff on it. By i have a second 500 gig 7200 drive in the laptop for real storage. I'm doing mostly what the average user would do. Ripping, downloading, burning etc...

I'm sure you will benefit from this technology, no one is disputing that.  However, like XJDenton pointed out, unless we move off of hard drives and every single PC sold can utilize this to its fullest potential, it will just be a really cool technology that enthusiasts use.

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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2011, 02:22:57 PM »
10, or even 5 years ago this would have been amazing. Imagine plugging every single device you have in to another with the same cable. No more having to have several different cables for your computer, TV, camera, etc.

The market is moving to all wireless. I don't know how long it will take, but it's only a matter of time before we don't have cables for anything anymore. Though at this moment, wireless isn't fast enough to be practical for most applications other than web browsing.

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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2011, 02:39:29 PM »
Thunderbolt and Lightpeak, very very frightening!

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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2011, 04:14:15 PM »
So, in simple terms, LightPeak is a storage box that connects to my PC/MAC and transfers the data at an incredibly high-speed rate so I can, for example, play Blu-Ray movies from the box directly to my TV/Monitor/Computer without having it to save it into my computer? Not only that, I can also duplicate the huge file in just a few seconds?

If I got that right, what is it not to like?

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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2011, 04:59:56 PM »
no light peak, now called thunder bolt. Is a cable that allows you 10gb per second back and forth bandwidth. There is nothing that can come close to the actual transfer speeds. As long as the device has the light peak port it can connect to almost anything and you can do networking with it. Once the fiber optic version comes out it will do up 100gb per second! Basically usb firewire, esata, ethernet are irrelevant if companies start to adopt it. Odds are since it's intel putting it out.. they will. Apple does not have exclusivity they are just the first to get it because they have been working with INtel for a while on this.

and there is NOTHING not to like. This benefits everyone. Wireless transfer speeds are horrible compared to normal connections now. Compared to this?  :hat

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2011, 06:02:00 PM »
I'll stick with PoE thanks.
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2011, 06:11:32 PM »
POE and lightpeak are no where near the same thing.

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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2011, 06:16:04 PM »
Indeed. PoE is much more sensible as it is easily compatible with existing infrastructure.
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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2011, 06:18:43 PM »
Indeed. PoE is much more sensible as it is easily compatible with existing infrastructure.

And puts out more power than the 10W Thunderbolt provides.

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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2011, 07:11:34 PM »
can you sync your phone, tablet, hook up a keyboard and mouse, external display, transfer files to an external HD at 10GBps bandwidth, and i don't know... a million other things with it?

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Re: Intel and Apple coming out with LightPeak today!
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2011, 07:14:11 PM »
why do you need to?

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