Zook -
Apologies for the delay -- I wasn't ducking you, just busy!
First familiararity is on Path Of The Whirlwind. From :13-:26 seconds, it sounds an awful lot like :44-1:11 of Peel. The riffs are different, but the drums are doing almost the same thing. So you get a pass, but I'm afraid it's too late for Chris Quirarte. SILENCE!
I actually noticed this as we were recording but forgot to have him change it. You're right, it is rythmically similar! But the fundamental riff is indeed so different that I don't think it matters that much.
Same song, the riff before the verses come in is the same riff in The Suffocating Silence.
No, it's not.
Both are a D minor scale, but there are differences in the notes.
No Tickets to The Funeral's only crime is copying the way a soundbyte is played before the solo like in Leviathan Rising. "It has begun" Vs. The funeral is about to begin". This is my favorite song on the album.
Glad you like the song! The clip in Leviathan Rising, from V for Vendetta, says "penny for the guy." I don't think you can say that a sample saying "penny for the guy" and another sample saying "the funeral is about to begin" is a recycled riff.
Dreams From The Pit. I already talked about this one. The Iconoclast and Wicked riff. Let's just say I created it. *insert Michael Romeo fat joke here* We also have the riff from Pagan's Mind's The Celestine Prophecy. During the solo, The Suffocating Silence riff returns.
Again, I wrote this primary riff for this song in 2003, and it has a decidedly Savatage feel to it. I listened to Iconoclast a few times yesterday and I don't hear the similarity. I don't know the Pagan's Mind song so I can't comment on it. I will grant you, the motif used between the second and third guitar solos is similar to the motif used in the outro technical section to Suffocating Silence, although the modulation to different keys and the different time signatures (4/4 in DftP, 7/4 in Suffocating) make them distinct enough.
Ah Narcosynthosis, I mean Fistful of Sand, I mean Laviathan Rising, I mean Noonday Devil. There we go. It's OK, that same riff will be in a KrotchRaut song too. Can't deny awesomeness.
Well, now I think you may be getting a bit carried away. This is simply a rhythmic figure. Is Symphony X's "Of Sins and Shadows" recycling "The Mirror" by DT simply because they have a rhythmic figure in the verse that is the 8th note before the down beat and then two eighth notes?
For Focus, the melody from This Dying Soul makes a second appearence in one of your songs with the bass at the beginning. The first appearance being in Keep Breathing, during the instrumental section, only slightly modified. Fistful of Sand riff returns again in this song during the solo. I also noticed something else, but I'll save it for the last song.
Hruh? I don't follow you re: TDS, or Keep Breathing. See previous comment re: Fistful of Sand.
The only thing on Begin Again I hear is a riff from Countdown to Extintion (the song). If you hadn't noticed, I'm pointing out every similarity I hear, not just from your songs. Yeah I know, I suck.
Where? If anything in my writing sounds like Megadeth, it's the solo backing sections to Keep Breathing and the final guitar solo in Dreams from the Pit!
Departure of The Pale Horse starts with the synth keyboard (if that's not what it is, well, I never said I was a music genius). Then at 6:08 we get Tool's Schism!
If this was Tool (I don't know them) my bass player woulda stopped me. He knows every riff of theirs. It might be *similar* to Tool, though.
Well as you can see, I'm a dick.
Hardly!
A little OCD, maybe, but I appreciate your enthusiasm and your willingness to take me up on my challenge. I will give you there are some similar concepts in your notes, but I don't think I'm overly guilty of "recycled riffs" as was originally stated.
But seriously, all this hasn't hurt my enjoyment of this album. I still love it. I love all your albums. Well, not the debut, but everything after that.
1. Thank you very sincerely, and 2. I agree with you re: the debut!
I love Redemption, plain and simple, and these little flubs don't matter.
I really appreciate it, Zook!
Besides, Lost Not Forgotten is Under A Glass Moon!
I think you must be a savant with this stuff! I know that every Iron Maiden song from Number of the Beast through Seventh Son (all great records) has the E, C, D E chord progression -- I can spot that stuff. But I wouldn't have made the connection between LNF and UAGM! I can't even make the connections in stuff I wrote!!
Now if you'll excuse me, I must either eat something or pass out, or both.
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