All Star Trek Discussion Thread ("Into Darkness" trailer released)

[ddtonfire]

Yeah, TNG did seem to be at the beginning of several young actors' and actresses' careers.

[El Barto]

Thought this was amusing.

Running tally of people killed by Picard, Cisko and Worf

I still think Worf was a pussy for most of TNG, but he could definitely get all berserker on you from time to time. 

[Adami]

Thought this was amusing.

Running tally of people killed by Picard, Cisko and Worf

I still think Worf was a pussy for most of TNG, but he could definitely get all berserker on you from time to time. 

They counted holograms as kills?

Really?!?!

[rumborak]

I was just clicking through the video, didn't they miss Picard killing the two Borg on the holodeck (in First Contact)?

rumborak

[Adami]

I was just clicking through the video, didn't they miss Picard killing the two Borg on the holodeck (in First Contact)?

rumborak

Nope it's in there.

I'm also a little torn on whether or not Riker telling Worf to fire and blowing up a ship really counts as a kill for Worf.

[El Barto]

I was just clicking through the video, didn't they miss Picard killing the two Borg on the holodeck (in First Contact)?

rumborak

Nope it's in there.

I'm also a little torn on whether or not Riker telling Worf to fire and blowing up a ship really counts as a kill for Worf.

I'd call it a kill for Riker.  Plus,  Worf's body count would be in the 100k+ range given all the borg he's blown up. 

As for holodeck kills, I'd consider the context.  Worf's training holograms shouldn't count, but there are probably instances where others should. 

It always amuses me what a kill-crazy lunatic Picard is in the movies.  I'd also be quite interested in what Kirk's number would look like. 

[Adami]

Instead of counting the number of people kirk killed, they should count the number of red shirts that kirk sent to their deaths.

[El Barto]

Instead of counting the number of people kirk killed, they should count the number of red shirts that kirk sent to their deaths.

43, accounting for 73% of the fatalities over the 5 year mission. 

Here's an interesting excerpt from the analysis:

Q: What factors could increase/decrease the survival rate of red-shirted crewmen?

Besides not getting involved in fights, which usually proved fatal, the crewmen could avoid beaming down to the planet's surface, which is inherent to their end. However, that could result in a court-martial for failure to obey orders.

Besides not beaming down, another factor that showed to increase the survival rate of the red-shirts was the nature of the relationship between the alien life and captain Kirk. When Captain Kirk meets an alien woman and "makes contact" the survival rate of the red-shirted crewmen increases by 84%. In fact, out of Captain Kirks' 24 "relationships" there were only three instances of red-shirt vaporization.

The caveat to this is when Captain Kirk not only meets the local alien women, but also starts a fight among alien locals. The combination of these events has led to the elimination of 4 crewmembers (3 red-shirts).

Here are the statistics:

Red Shirt Death episodes = 18
Episodes with fights = 55
Probability of a fight breaking out = 70%
Kirk "conquest" episodes = 24
Kirk "conquest" + fights = 16
Kirk "conquest" + red shirt casualty= 4
Red shirt death + fight + Kirk "conquest" = 3

And the data trends:

Probability of a red-shirt casualty= 53%
14% of fights ended in a fatality (with a 72% chance the fatality wore a red shirt)
Probability of a red-shirt "incident" when Kirk has a "conquest" = 12%

The red-shirt survival rate is slightly higher when Kirk meets women than when a fight breaks out. This trend necessitates the question: How often did Captain Kirk "meet" women? In 30% of the missions.

As the data shows, Captain Kirk "making contact" with alien women has an impact on the crew's survival. The red-shirt death rate is higher when a fight breaks out than when Kirk meets a woman and a fight breaks out. Yet the analysis shows that meeting Kirk meeting women only happens in 30% of the missions.
Conclusion: We can reliably improve the survivability of the red-shirted crewmen by only exploring peaceful, female-only planets (android and alien females included).

https://www.lyris.com/web-analytics/182-Analytics-According-to-Captain-Kirk

[Orbert]

I love that someone has taken the time to compile all that information.  Actually I'm sure many, many people have taken the time to compile that information.

[Dr. DTVT]

Watching that kill count video has me wanting to watch DS:9 in its entirety again.

[Adami]

Watching that kill count video has me wanting to watch DS:9 in its entirety again.

Did that last year, but I skipped the first season since it's pretty horrible.

[King Postwhore]

When I first got my DVR Spike started playing DS9 in the summer and My wife and I watched it from beginning to end.  It's amazing how much you forget in such a short time.

[yorost]

Watching that kill count video has me wanting to watch DS:9 in its entirety again.

Did that last year, but I skipped the first season since it's pretty horrible.

They tried to stuff TNG into it too much, for one thing, but It has its share of moments.  I tend to think the end of the first season is where the show really started to get some bearings of its own.

[Dr. DTVT]

I got the DVD collection (only need TOS).  I'll probably just jump in at season 6.  Got to many other things going on.

[Mr. Beale]

I watched "In the Pale Moonlight" the other day. So good.

[CrimsonSunrise]

Love ST.... not as much as Star Wars....but close.  Big TNG fan, didn't really care for DS9, Voyager would have been fine without listening to Janeways whiney voice.... .  TOS rocked!!  Enterprise was OK.  The movies drug on too much towards the end...UNTIL...this last one.  HOLY SHIT did it kick ass!!!!

[Adami]

Love ST.... not as much as Star Wars....but close.  Big TNG fan, didn't really care for DS9, Voyager would have been fine without listening to Janeways whiney voice.... .  TOS rocked!!  Enterprise was OK.  The movies drug on too much towards the end...UNTIL...this last one.  HOLY SHIT did it kick ass!!!!

The bolded parts are correct.

[CrimsonSunrise]

The bolded parts are correct.

Well done Senor 

[Dr. DTVT]

...didn't really care for DS9...

  Does not compute.

[CrimsonSunrise]

...didn't really care for DS9...

  Does not compute.

Some charachters and story themes I just disliked.  Towards the end when there were the big battle sequences with the Dominion, it got kinda cool.

[rumborak]

I discovered this 2 days ago, it's a full interview with Rick Berman, and he talks about TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. Really cool, and lots of interesting information (including that Patrick Stewart auditioned for the role with a wig, because Roddenberry didn't want to have a bald captain )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HcSB9WDTQ

rumborak

[El Barto]

Wouldn't be the first time.

[ddtonfire]

It's like a whole different person!

[Adami]

It's like a whole different person!

Little known fact, those aren't wigs. Picard just looked at his hair and said "Engage!"

[rumborak]

Man, especially with hair Stewart is one good-looking mofo.

rumborak

[El Barto]

Yeah, it's funny.  After going bald as a teenager he thought he'd never get laid again.  I suspect that's not a problem for him nowadays. 

[AndyDT]

Are those from televised Shakespeare productions he did?

[5]

The movies drug on too much towards the end... UNTIL...this last one.  HOLY SHIT did it kick ass!!!!

I assume you're speaking of JJ Abrams' reboot of Star Trek. In that case...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[MetalJunkie]

The movies drug on too much towards the end... UNTIL...this last one.  HOLY SHIT did it kick ass!!!!

I assume you're speaking of JJ Abrams' reboot of Star Trek. In that case...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wrong.

Anyway, I had a thought while watching The Search for Spock last night. If Spock transferred his katra to Bones, why wasn't he just an "empty shell" instead of giving Kirk the emotional "I have been, and always shall be, your friend" speech?

[5]

***Star Trek XI spoilers ahead***







I thought the new ST was terrible. Even ignoring the "throwing everything after TOS out of the window," the movie itself was just lots of CG eye-candy with plot holes the size of Jupiter. Not to mention that by destroying Vulcan, they pretty much killed the entire premise and concept behind Spock's character. There was so much nonsense in this movie my head hurts.

EDIT: Also, the ENTIRE foundation of the plot is more ridiculous than all the technobabble in all the series combined. Yeah, stopping a supernova by destroing the sun with a black hole - great, because who needs sunlight to sustain life? Romulus would have been destroyed anyway, which totally undermines the motivation for the villains actions. Suspension of disbelief is awesome, but there comes a point when it just becomes insulting to one's intelligence.

[MetalJunkie]

***Star Trek XI spoilers ahead***







I thought the new ST was terrible. Even ignoring the "throwing everything after TOS out of the window," the movie itself was just lots of CG eye-candy with plot holes the size of Jupiter. Not to mention that by destroying Vulcan, they pretty much killed the entire premise and concept behind Spock's character. There was so much nonsense in this movie my head hurts.

EDIT: Also, the ENTIRE foundation of the plot is more ridiculous than all the technobabble in all the series combined. Yeah, stopping a supernova by destroing the sun with a black hole - great, because who needs sunlight to sustain life? Romulus would have been destroyed anyway, which totally undermines the motivation for the villains actions. Suspension of disbelief is awesome, but there comes a point when it just becomes insulting to one's intelligence.

Like flying around the sun to travel back and forth through time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_Is_Yesterday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_IV:_The_Voyage_Home

If I can watch those and disregard the baloney, I can watch ST XI.

[5]

Sure, no one says you can't. However, the examples you give are also from 1967 and 1986, not 2009. They are also something more than Barbies and Kens in an Apple store. They also make sense IN CONTEXT of the TREK UNIVERSE. ST XI doesn't even make sense in the context of its own world - eg Scotty inventing a way to beam to enterprise which was not just lightyears away, but also travelling at warp speed. If they can do that, why do they even bother with starships in the first place?

Besides, I'm not even a giant TOS fan, I'm much more of a DS9/TNG guy.

[Super Dude]

Not to mention that by destroying Vulcan, they pretty much killed the entire premise and concept behind Spock's character.

What do you mean?

[King Postwhore]

5, it's Sci-Fi dammit!!  Suspend your disbelief!  Also in 2009 we haven't conquered black holes yet either silly.

[5]

Not to mention that by destroying Vulcan, they pretty much killed the entire premise and concept behind Spock's character.

What do you mean?

The concept behind Spock was that he was a human-Vulcan hybrid, an outsider - fully accepted by neither humans nor Vulcans. By destroying Vulcan and thus making the entire species nearly extinct, hybrids suddenly became an extremely viable option for repopulating the species - therefore eliminating the "outsider" part of Spock.

5, it's Sci-Fi dammit!!  Suspend your disbelief!  Also in 2009 we haven't conquered black holes yet either silly.

I know, and I gladly do it whenever a movie/book/game makes INTERNAL sense. STXI doesn't.