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Kevin Moore thread
« on: June 02, 2009, 04:10:37 AM »
Sorry to start a KM topic again (I've seen that they get sometimes heated, I believe there's also a somekind of a special sign, am I wrong?). This is not a Jordan VS Kevin thread. I'm just interested in when exactly did KM begin to have doubts in Dream Theater and the music they were making? Do you think it was at the beginning of the I&W tour or at the end? Or just after it? Because in LiT he seems to still have a great time. And the tour didn't end long after that. The concert was at the end of August, they wrote Awake in the beginning of 1994 and KM left them in May or June, I believe. That would leave basically only half a year for him to lose belief in DT.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 04:14:42 AM »
I've been wondering the same things. So can someone please answer before the thread degrades. It's going to happen sometime.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 04:20:15 AM »
Hımm all I know that he just left with questionable reason or meaningless reason!
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 04:37:40 AM »
He didn't like their musical direction and didn't like the spotlight or something.
ps. That was 15 years ago. He's gone.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 05:06:37 AM »
I'm just interested in when exactly did KM begin to have doubts in Dream Theater and the music they were making?
You'd have to ask him.  Good luck.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 05:55:43 AM »
I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
on par with the anguish one would have from getting unconsensually bent over and buttloved.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 06:10:55 AM »
Chroma Key will give you an answer to that.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 06:17:04 AM »
Chroma Key will give you an answer to that.

Ah I see. That's a pretty big change from DT, I wonder why he changed like that.
on par with the anguish one would have from getting unconsensually bent over and buttloved.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 07:08:04 AM »
 :facepalm:


No MOORE!!!

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 07:23:22 AM »
He didn't like John Myung.

Watch this excerpt from a documentary, he says so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCcE43n6Rw

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 08:00:52 AM »
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No MOORE!!!
Whatever you talk about, whatever you bring up on the DT boards it always ending up talking about Moore, it unquestionable  :D

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 08:20:48 AM »
Hımm all I know that he just left with questionable reason or meaningless reason!

The fact that he wasn't happy with his situation isn't adequate reason for him to do something about it?   ???
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 08:30:14 AM »
AND ILL SMILE AND ILL LEARN TO PRETEND


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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 09:07:40 AM »
AND ILL SMILE AND ILL LEARN TO PRETEND


Catch my drift?

So does it mean in your opinion that he wasn't actually having a good time in Tokyo in August 1993?

Note: I didn't ask WHY, I asked WHEN (what you think). Only hefdaddy has answered to my question and of course we know that KM isn't going to tell anyone. But what do you think (if you have an opinion and time/interest to state it)? I believe that it had to begin by the end of 93 (after Tokyo) and something happened in the beginning of 94 which made him seal his mind. Or it was just  :justjen

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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 09:10:59 AM »
No one knows for sure, but it obviously was a slow process.  It is not like he woke up one day and thought, "Hmmm, I don't like prog metal anymore; I think I'll leave the band to make different kinds of music." 

As for why he changed, why does anyone change?  It happens.  People's tastes change.  That also happens. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 09:14:31 AM »
Well, the lyrics to 6:00 are sometimes construed as KM writing about struggling with whether or not to leave the band, so it would seem like during the writing/recording of Awake would be the time frame...

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Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream
Tries to shake it off but it just won't stop
Can't find the strength but he's got promises to keep
And wood to chop before he sleeps

I may never get over
but never's better than now
I've got bases to cover

He's in the parking lot and he's just sitting in his car
It's nine o'clock but he can't get out
He lights a cigarette
and turns the music down
but just can't seem to shake that sound

Once I thought I'd get over
but it's too late for me now
I've got bases to cover

Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go

The pain inside
coming outside

So many ways to drown a man
So many ways to drag him down
Some are fast and some take years and years
Can't hear what he's saying when he's talking in his sleep
He finally found the sound but he's in too deep

I could never get over
Is it too late for me now?
Feel like blowing my cover

Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go

But don't cut your losses too soon
'cause you'll only be cutting your throat
And answer a call while you still hear at all
'cause nobody will if you won't

Sounds like he's saying that he's found the musiv he truly wants to make, but there's no room for it in DT.  So he's trying to decide if he should pursue it, or just stay where he is...

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 09:14:51 AM »
I don't think why he changed matters. He changed, he moved on, he's making music he likes now, and so are DT.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 09:16:48 AM »
No one can really know for sure, but just because he's having a good time on LiT doesn't mean he couldn't have been having his doubts at that time. All we saw was what was put on the video, I'm sure he wasn't always like that. Even horrible relationships can have their good moments.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 09:36:43 AM »
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2009, 09:39:25 AM »
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

OR DO WE?










the answer is no, we don't.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2009, 09:41:45 AM »
I think it all went pear-shaped for Kevin because he wanted to call Images & Words "Images & Turds"

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2009, 09:44:49 AM »
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

OR DO WE?












the answer is no, we don't.

I guess, this is not secret anymore, surely after 15 years later!
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 12:21:01 PM »
Yes it is.  Because KM refuses to talk about it.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2009, 06:48:25 PM »
Kevin Moore.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2009, 06:52:13 PM »
Yes it is.  Because KM refuses to talk about it.

When I asked him about it he said that Adam02's vid was pretty accurate, if that helps.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2009, 06:52:21 PM »
Kevin Murr

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2009, 06:58:49 PM »
Who has the picture of the All Roads Lead to Kevin Moore sign?

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2009, 07:06:35 PM »
I think Rumby does.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2009, 07:07:17 PM »
If he's reading this thread, he should post it  :P

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2009, 07:48:36 PM »
This thread reminded me to tell you all that there's a teacher named Kevin Moore at my school...

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2009, 07:55:20 PM »
Well, the lyrics to 6:00 are sometimes construed as KM writing about struggling with whether or not to leave the band, so it would seem like during the writing/recording of Awake would be the time frame...

Quote
Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream
Tries to shake it off but it just won't stop
Can't find the strength but he's got promises to keep
And wood to chop before he sleeps

I may never get over
but never's better than now
I've got bases to cover

He's in the parking lot and he's just sitting in his car
It's nine o'clock but he can't get out
He lights a cigarette
and turns the music down
but just can't seem to shake that sound

Once I thought I'd get over
but it's too late for me now
I've got bases to cover

Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go

The pain inside
coming outside

So many ways to drown a man
So many ways to drag him down
Some are fast and some take years and years
Can't hear what he's saying when he's talking in his sleep
He finally found the sound but he's in too deep

I could never get over
Is it too late for me now?
Feel like blowing my cover

Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go

But don't cut your losses too soon
'cause you'll only be cutting your throat
And answer a call while you still hear at all
'cause nobody will if you won't

Sounds like he's saying that he's found the musiv he truly wants to make, but there's no room for it in DT.  So he's trying to decide if he should pursue it, or just stay where he is...



Whoa, I never knew that.  Thanks dude.

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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2009, 08:28:58 PM »
I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
He left because he wanted to pursue his own musical endeavors, as a solo artist. We see how well that worked out.  :neverusethis:
He now lives in Istanbul, Turkey near SeroX [he saw km in a coffee shop]
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2009, 08:32:12 PM »
Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go

This also sounds like he is saying melody comes in [his own musical taste]  and he just forgets all of his memories with dt, and he doesn't know what he wants, but when he lets it all go, he will know what the best decision really was.
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Re: Kevin Moore thread
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2009, 08:32:44 PM »
Um...he kinda addressed this question directly in an interview about OSI.  It was on the old boards somewhere, whoever knows their way over to that particular archive can help, maybe?  Its basically what everyone's already been saying: he got bored of playing really technical progressive music and opted for things more like Chroma Key and OSI.