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which is better?

Studio/EP version
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A Change of Seasons
« on: September 13, 2010, 10:52:38 PM »
i wanted to start a new thread that isn't Portnoy related (i am becoming weary of reading the various topics when i come here)

i just listened to ACoS live from Live Scenes From New York, and i must say, having not given it a proper listen before, it is IMO SOOOOO much better than the studio version. i love the studio version, dont get me wrong, and Sherinian is amazing on it, but there is something really pleasing about the LSFNY version. it feels like the band is playing with so much emotion, not to mention JLB sings his heart out, he's just ferocious!

i also think the sound quality is better than the studio, but thats just me. i dont know any other official live releases of the full song so im just listing the 2 i know of.

so what do you guys think?

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 10:55:44 PM »
Studio, definitely. It's funny cause that's exactly what I'm listening to now.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 10:56:10 PM »
Yea I'm pretty torn. I think if they took the performane of the LSFNY version and just...mixed it better? It would be god like. I like the mix of the original, but the live version is damn fine, although the goofy parts....eh...I can live without those.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2010, 10:57:56 PM »
Hey i started this thread a while ago!  ;)  Studio version.   :metal

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2010, 11:02:00 PM »
Studio, definitely. It's funny cause that's exactly what I'm listening to now.

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i just started listening to DT again after MP leaving. the only DT song i listened to in the last week was ITPOE (both parts, as one (meh i hate that i have to do that))

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2010, 11:05:32 PM »
btw i always wondered why they didnt do the entire song for Once in A Livetime, or the YtseJam release Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/1996 show. i know theyre both from the same time period, but the EP had recently come out back then, why wouldnt they play the whole thing?

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2010, 11:27:47 PM »
btw i always wondered why they didnt do the entire song for Once in A Livetime, or the YtseJam release Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/1996 show. i know theyre both from the same time period, but the EP had recently come out back then, why wouldnt they play the whole thing?

They did play it. And you can hear it live with Derek on this release - http://ytsejamrecords.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=15

It's a pretty good show, too, with all the cool changes and additions they made to certain songs.

I think after they did the it for shows in 1995. As for not playing it during 96/97/98 tours, I think it's because they had a MASSIVE amount of material written during those years for FII, and with 15 songs, it'd be hard to fit in a 23 minute epic in your set with all those NEW songs to pick from, as well as 3 prior albums of material. At least they brought the whole thing back in 2000, and then again in 2004.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2010, 11:55:32 PM »
LSFNY only because i love hearing portnoy do the "we can hold for the future but there may not be one" line
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2010, 11:57:10 PM »
LSFNY only because i love hearing portnoy do the "we can hold for the future but there may not be one" line

Meh. It wasn't bad by any means, but I prefer LaBrie singing....all of the parts if he can.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2010, 03:03:16 AM »
Meh. It wasn't bad by any means, but I prefer LaBrie singing....all of the parts if he can.
Yeah, I agree. I don't like when Portnoy sings, but I love his vocal performance on The Glass Prison studio version.

Anyway, Studio/EP version.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2010, 03:19:35 AM »
Studio version, although I find JR's piano interlude in The Darkest Of Winters actually more fitting than DS's.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 04:04:45 AM »
Studio version, although I find JR's piano interlude in The Darkest Of Winters actually more fitting than DS's.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 04:48:00 AM »
I havn't gave the live version a proper listen yet so I can't answer that now...
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2010, 05:10:55 AM »
LSFNY
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2010, 06:02:26 AM »
Fuck, I can't decide!!

If I had to choose, probably the LSFNY one as it was one of the first vids I ever saw of DT.  I couldn't imagine how many times I would have watched it.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2010, 06:11:21 AM »
Fuck, I can't decide!!

If I had to choose, probably the LSFNY one as it was one of the first vids I ever saw of DT.  I couldn't imagine how many times I would have watched it.

same.... haha i would sit and watch it over and over... and i was kinda disappointed / relieved when i didnt hear that dicking around in the studio version
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2010, 06:35:56 AM »
I prefer the studio version.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2010, 07:15:38 AM »
The LSFNY DVD was my first instroduction to DT.  There's a special place in my heart for A Change of Seasons, because it was the song that pushed Dream Theater over the edge for me.  When I watched it for the first time, I was overtaken by the immensity of it all, and I've never looked back.  I love the studio version too, but LSFNY is special for me.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 08:25:18 AM »
The LSFNY version is hands-down the best version of that song ever recorded. 
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 10:50:28 AM »
Both? :)

Probably the LSFNY version; just listened to it a couple days ago for the first time in a long time.  What a good freakin' song.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 11:45:51 AM »
Studio version.  It was the first Dream Theater I ever bought, and while the LSFNY version is very good, I really don't hear anything in it that I like better than the original.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 12:00:47 PM »
The LSFNY version is really good, no doubt about that, but I voted for studio.  The Inevitable Summer JP solo is a rare gem that almost didn't make the cut.  JP improvises too much in the live version and that portion of the song gets kinda lost in the inevitable JP shred fest.  :lol

I wish he would've stayed a little more true to the studio version during that section of the song.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2010, 01:36:34 PM »
I voted for LSFNY cuz I haven't listened to the studio version for like 2 years and can't remember how that one sounds

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2010, 01:44:00 PM »
It sounds better.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2010, 03:10:38 PM »
Studio.

Parts like "Oh come, let us adore him" etc really suffer on the LSFNY version IMO, and I think the crazy interludes just get in the way. Saying that, I can definatley see how people prefer the LSFNY version, I just prefer the additional polish and production on the studio version.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2010, 03:15:33 PM »
LSFNW (perhaps because I heard it first). I rarely listen to ACOS or Octavarium studio versions, I stick the the live version.

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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2010, 03:45:57 PM »
Studio.

Parts like "Oh come, let us adore him" etc really suffer on the LSFNW version IMO, and I think the crazy interludes just get in the way. Saying that, I can definatley see how people prefer the LSFNW version, I just prefer the additional polish and production on the studio version.
LSFNW (perhaps because I heard it first). I rarely listen to ACOS or Octavarium studio versions, I stick the the live version.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2010, 03:51:06 PM »
Studio.

Parts like "Oh come, let us adore him" etc really suffer on the LSFNW version IMO, and I think the crazy interludes just get in the way. Saying that, I can definatley see how people prefer the LSFNW version, I just prefer the additional polish and production on the studio version.
LSFNW (perhaps because I heard it first). I rarely listen to ACOS or Octavarium studio versions, I stick the the live version.

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2010, 04:16:16 PM »
Both have parts I like better than the other. the "Please don't go", the interludes, and the feel of the live scenes version. But the vocals and ending i like on the studio. It Would've been epic if they ended it the studio version live
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2010, 05:43:13 PM »
ACOS was the first song I played by DT after I heard MP left. Actually it was by accident..but still profound.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2010, 05:51:16 PM »
the images and words demo. lol

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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2010, 06:02:43 PM »
LSFNY wins by a hair because JLB owns.
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2010, 06:16:17 PM »
LSFNY only because i love hearing portnoy do the "we can hold for the future but there may not be one" line

Meh. It wasn't bad by any means, but I prefer LaBrie singing....all of the parts if he can.
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However, JLB is the reason I easily vote for the studio version.  He sang parts of it very well during LSFNY, but he was clearly out of gas and it showed in a lot of other parts.  By the end, he just sounded monotonous. 

Other notes, I agree about the wankery in the live solo being a detraction, even though it was still a damn fine solo, and I'd just as soon they skip the goofing off interludes as well. 
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Re: A Change of Seasons
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2010, 02:06:06 AM »
the images and words demo.

But of the two choices, LSFNY.
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