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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2010, 10:20:05 AM »
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2010, 10:20:49 AM »
You pretend to be so mad when people say remotely negative things about your favorite bands

I don't know where you get the impression that I worship everything Opeth/PT/etc has ever done. I routinely criticize stuff about them (Morningrise immediately comes to mind)

Okay. I want you to list as many (serious) negative things about Steve Wilson and Porcupine Tree music as you possibly can in the next 3 minutes. GO!
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Not sure if serious...

Most of Sky Moves Sideways and Voyage 34
Feel So Low has absolutely atrocious vocal melodies minus the chorus
Lightbulb Sun in general has little about it that makes me want to listen to it (though its enjoyable when I do for the most part)
Pure Narcotic's pre-chorus makes me want to tear my ears off
On that note a lot of SW's early vocals can be pretty grating
Using the number of samples they use live really bothers me
Almost all of their newer liver recordings sound pretty meh, especially the guitars


Off the top of my head. There's not gonna be a ton, because hey, there's a reason they're my favorite band.


Steven Wilson is not blowing him as we type...

That's one.

Oh, and this.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2010, 10:23:52 AM »
So I wonder if this will end up being 10 minute soundscapes of guitars and vocals? Sort of the Pink Floydian side of Steven and Mikael's music... This also begs the question - will there be any more musicians on the project outside of these two? Or just them?

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2010, 10:26:46 AM »
I feel like I have bitched at you before for not managing your expectations and being closed-minded...

I think you have, but I still don't get it.

Not sure if serious...

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2010, 10:28:21 AM »
I love Feel So Low's vocal melodies.  :-\

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2010, 10:28:32 AM »
I'm very excited for this! I don't think that Mike was fitting with this kind of project anyway so I'm quite happy with this.

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2010, 10:29:41 AM »
Not sure if serious...

The yellow, winding smiley face didn't give it away?

Wow, I totally didn't even see that. WELL I FEEL LIKE A DOUCHE NOW
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2010, 10:59:31 AM »
To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far

I am excite.

This.


I don't think I've ever been so excited for an album before this. And with statements like that, it's bound to be creative and awesome.

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2010, 11:00:58 AM »
Oddly enough, I'm not as excited about this as I would have expected myself to be. I'm more interested in the last two Devin Townsend Projects.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2010, 11:02:33 AM »
Well, yeah. All I know is that we're in for a lot of great music in the coming months.

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2010, 11:10:03 AM »
Well, yeah. All I know is that we're in for a lot of great music in the coming months.
And that is all that matters really. :D

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2010, 11:49:49 AM »
I'm definitely excited about this.
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« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2010, 02:51:23 PM »
These are two guys working together that have created some magic in the past. They both leave their unmistakable signature on everything they make, so it has to be awesome. SW's always shown a penchant for using lots of m9 chords, can write awesome pop tunes AND is a terrific audio engineer, and MA writes crazy jazzy stuff and everything.. man, it has got to be great, even without the mehtul. Voices sound great together, wtf I can't wait to hear this stuff.  :metal
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2010, 03:08:22 PM »
I'm excited to hear it. also glad it's not metal.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2010, 03:27:09 PM »
To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far

I am excite.

I think I'll definitely pass now. I mean, I'll wait until I hear whatever the first promo song is, of course, but I can't think of a time in the near past where drumless rock-oriented music has managed to impress me.

Ahaha, I'm the opposite, now I'm really excited.

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2010, 04:35:45 PM »
Mike would have ruined this.  I hope it's not even rock oriented.  I know Steven has done a lot of different, unorthodox things, but this is new to Mikael to do something completely unrelated to rock. 

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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2010, 04:42:30 PM »
I can even see this become something slightly in the vein of Simon and Garfunkel. No really.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2010, 04:55:24 PM »
Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2010, 05:06:10 PM »
Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.

I dunno... it seems to work pretty well within Transatlantic, and that's a lot of chefs!

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2010, 05:08:14 PM »
Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
MP wasn't a chef in OSI.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2010, 05:22:24 PM »
Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
MP wasn't a chef in OSI.

No, but he wanted to be, which is the problem.
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2010, 05:29:43 PM »
Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
MP wasn't a chef in OSI.

No, but he wanted to be, which is the problem.

In the end he wasn't, but the initial collaboration was being Mike and Jim, so he was a chef when they gathered the ingredients, but when it came time to cook, all he did was bring the flour as Kevin and Jim took over. At least that's how it seemed to me. If Mike was asked to come into this project (or any project) as strictly a session drummer, then that's what he'd do. This is what he did with A7X and he played the drum parts he was asked to, and didn't bother with writing or arranging or anything else but the drums, so I'm sure he'd be capable of doing that in any other such project/band.

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2010, 05:32:20 PM »
I thought Jim went out and asked Kev, and then Jim suggested Mike as a drummer?

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2010, 05:36:38 PM »
Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.

I dunno... it seems to work pretty well within Transatlantic, and that's a lot of chefs!

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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2010, 05:41:39 PM »
I thought Jim went out and asked Kev, and then Jim suggested Mike as a drummer?

I remember reading that Mike and Jim started OSI with the track "The Thing That Never Was" as a purely prog-metal collaboration, since Jim wasn't able to join Mike and Neal (Morse) for the as-of-yet-unnamed prog supergroup (originally named Second Nature, later named Transatlantic). After the initial sessions, Jim went out and sent demos to Kevin for his ideas and what Kevin sent back really impressed Jim so he brought him aboard the project.

I'm pretty sure this is right, but if I am wrong, somebody please correct me.

EDIT - some sources:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/39.aspx#426 - MP answers what the original direction of OSI was and where it went as a reaction to introducing Kevin to Jim's demos.

https://www.progressiveworld.net/html/modules.php?name=Interviews&rop=showcontent&id=90 - Jim talks about what OSI was originally, as "some kind of side-project for myself and Mike, and in its original form it was more like a straight prog metal album."

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2010, 05:43:54 PM »
I think you're right.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2010, 06:08:13 PM »
Yeah, expectations I think play a big part.  OSI ending up being something completely different than what Mike was originally on board for probably would have a tendency to sour the whole thing for him.  The A7X gig is a whole different story simply because of different expectations--there was no illusion at any point in time that Mike was going in as any kind of creative force.  He was going into this knowing he is a hired hand who is joining to fill somebody else's shoes, and from what I hear, he is doing an excellent job.  Being relegated to hired hand status after the fact would probably be a tough pill to swallow for someone as "Type A" as Mike (and even for someone who is not, for that matter). 
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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2010, 06:39:20 PM »
Mike bailed on OSI based on how everything ended up after the 1st album. A lot of that had to do with actually working with Kevin Moore. He played on the 2nd OSI album mainly as a favor, but he had no creative input, and pretty much had no interest in being involved with OSI on a creative and I'd assume any level thereafter.

But Second Nature could have been the Cat's Ass. As much as I love the 1st 2 TA records, Jim potentially would have made it even greater. But we'll never know.

Also keep in mind, Daniel Gildenlow was approached and wrote vocals for a 27 minute piece ("The Thing that Never Was").

I still think if they're wise, Mike and Jim will work together again. Even though he didn't do much if any of the writing, just listen to the John Arch EP as well.

As for this new project, I recall either Mikael Akerfeldt or some suggestion or news story comparing what they wrote to Scott Walker. Which I'm kind of wary of. Sort of minimalistic, drowney psych folk. It almost potentially sounds like some of Steven Wilson's other minimalistic projects which bore me to sleep.

oh, and Lightbulb Sun still remains Porcupine Tree's best work for me (to the user who claim they can't stand it). Although Feel So Low is probably the worst part of it/and the biggest reason why it's not a 5-star record to me.

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2010, 10:10:48 AM »
From SW's facebook page:

A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements

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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2010, 10:15:32 AM »
What is SW's facebook page? The one I have is just a community page with a Wikipedia description...

By the way, that sounds AWESOME.
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2010, 10:18:24 AM »
From SW's facebook page:

A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements

Awesome. :hat
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Re: MIKE PORTNOY No Longer Involved With ÅKERFELDT/WILSON Collaboration Project
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2010, 10:23:30 AM »
Also from SW's facebook:

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On a related note, the track I wrote for the originally planned Akerfeldt/Wilson collaboration all those years ago when it was going to be more metal orientated, "Cut Ribbon", is scheduled to finally appear on the next SW
solo album (shaping up to be a very diverse double CD)

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« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2010, 10:23:37 AM »
What is SW's facebook page? The one I have is just a community page with a Wikipedia description...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878

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« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2010, 10:23:50 AM »
From SW's facebook page:

A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements

Awesome. :hat

That sounds really cool.  Definitely sounds unique, like Ki by DTP.

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