Best Metal Band of the Past 20 Years

[Bombardana]

I meant power metal.  Sorry.

But I'm not necessarily trying to pigeonhole them into a specific subgenre either.  That's overly artificial, not to mention pointless.  But calling them progressive metal just seems odd to me when neither the band nor the majority of their fans would even for a moment consider them progressive metal.

I wouldn't want to pigeonhole them into the progressive metal genre either. I'd prefer to call them a combination of the two Progressive Power Metal (in the same way Opeth is Progressive Death Metal)

[Gorille85]

I agree Symph X is not symphonic metal. They have times where the keys are playing some strings, but that's it. Hardly symphonic.

I'd call them Neo Classical Metal.

They were back when they released V but not so much anymore IMO.

[Seventh Son]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

[Arcaeus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

lol @ your opinion being one

[orcus116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

[Seventh Son]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Wikipedia claims RHCP to be "Funk Metal". If that's not reason enough to discredit wikipedia on genre discussions, I don't know what is.

[orcus116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers

Red Hot Chili Peppers is an American funk rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1983.

lolwut? The 'rap rock' genre is a little odd, though.

[Fluffy Lothario]

It's frustrating how many of these bands there are that are musically fantastic but offputting vocally in some way.

I've said this tons of times, but this is just the way metal has gone in the past decade. I mean, obvious generalisation, but you're just not metal enough today unless you grunt, growl, scream or squeal like a pig.

[ehra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Because it's easier to attack the source than the argument.

[Portrucci]

Opeth, Neurosis and Pantera are at the top for me.

[Seventh Son]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Because it's easier to attack the source than the argument.

When part of your (Not necessarily you, but sdn posted it) argument is a wikipedia link and it becomes obvious that wikipedia fails at genres (Funk Metal? Are you shitting me? And I thought Speed Metal was dumb.), it doesn't help your argument.

[ehra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Because it's easier to attack the source than the argument.

When part of your (Not necessarily you, but sdn posted it) argument is a wikipedia link and it becomes obvious that wikipedia fails at genres (Funk Metal? Are you shitting me? And I thought Speed Metal was dumb.), it doesn't help your argument.

Wikipedia doesn't invent genres.

[Seventh Son]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Because it's easier to attack the source than the argument.

When part of your (Not necessarily you, but sdn posted it) argument is a wikipedia link and it becomes obvious that wikipedia fails at genres (Funk Metal? Are you shitting me? And I thought Speed Metal was dumb.), it doesn't help your argument.

Wikipedia doesn't invent genres.

Then how does "Funk Metal" come up when there is obviously no such thing?

[Gadough]

Funk metal is a semi-well established term. I've seen it used several times in several contexts in several places.

That being said, it's still stupid.

[ehra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Because it's easier to attack the source than the argument.

When part of your (Not necessarily you, but sdn posted it) argument is a wikipedia link and it becomes obvious that wikipedia fails at genres (Funk Metal? Are you shitting me? And I thought Speed Metal was dumb.), it doesn't help your argument.

Wikipedia doesn't invent genres.

Then how does "Funk Metal" come up when there is obviously no such thing?

If it's "obviously no such thing" then how can they have a list of sources at the bottom of the page?

[Gorille85]

Funk metal is a semi-well established term. I've seen it used several times in several contexts in several places.

That being said, it's still stupid.

I think Mr. Bungle first album is considered "funk metal"...but IMO it's more an avant-garde record.

[Seventh Son]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

Nu metal (or nü metal[4] or aggro-metal[5][6]) is a subgenre [7] of heavy metal.

lol @ wikipedia being a valid source

I dunno why everyone shits on Wikipedia like that considering if you're not retarded you can tell when someone has fucked with an entry or if information looks off. Plus there's a reason there are links to the sources.

Because it's easier to attack the source than the argument.

When part of your (Not necessarily you, but sdn posted it) argument is a wikipedia link and it becomes obvious that wikipedia fails at genres (Funk Metal? Are you shitting me? And I thought Speed Metal was dumb.), it doesn't help your argument.

Wikipedia doesn't invent genres.

Then how does "Funk Metal" come up when there is obviously no such thing?

If it's "obviously no such thing" then how can they have a list of sources at the bottom of the page?

*Checks sources*

*allmusic*

Maybe the sources are just... wrong? No offense, but I wouldn't trust allmusic's opinions on music even if I got a free blowjob for it.

[Sigz]

Because we all know there's an objective truth about genres.

[Seventh Son]

Because we all know there's an objective truth about genres.

In a sense, yes. Genres exist to describe various qualities of a style of music. Whether one likes those qualities or not, the genre still exists.

[King Postwhore]

Fishbone is funk metal and fishbone is much more.

[orcus116]

Then how does "Funk Metal" come up when there is obviously no such thing?

Did you completely miss:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers

Red Hot Chili Peppers is an American funk rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1983.

lolwut? The 'rap rock' genre is a little odd, though.

You know, where I checked your claim and it turns out you're not right?

[ehra]

*Checks sources*

*allmusic*

Maybe the sources are just... wrong? No offense, but I wouldn't trust allmusic's opinions on music even if I got a free blowjob for it.

Which is fine, but you can't expect people to just take your word for it when you claim that a respected musical guide is wrong and you're right without any backing argument or source.

Back to the subject of Nu Metal, it looks like there was someone arguing the same thing you are in one of the old discussion pages. It's under Sources and Slant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nu_metal/Archive_5

It basically came down to "sources; site them."

[Seventh Son]

Then how does "Funk Metal" come up when there is obviously no such thing?

Did you completely miss:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers

Red Hot Chili Peppers is an American funk rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1983.

lolwut? The 'rap rock' genre is a little odd, though.

You know, where I checked your claim and it turns out you're not right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk_Metal

It very clearly says RHCP is on there. I'm guessing you're referring to RHCP's page, right? Well, its wikipedia so I'm not surprised it lacks consistency. At first I didn't even know what you were talking about.

[Gorille85]

Then how does "Funk Metal" come up when there is obviously no such thing?

Did you completely miss:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers

Red Hot Chili Peppers is an American funk rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1983.

lolwut? The 'rap rock' genre is a little odd, though.

You know, where I checked your claim and it turns out you're not right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk_Metal

It very clearly says RHCP is on there. I'm guessing you're referring to RHCP's page, right? Well, its wikipedia so I'm not surprised it lacks consistency. At first I didn't even know what you were talking about.

There is a huge difference about being in the funk metal page and being listed in their own page as "funk metal"! They may only have elements of funk and metal and be listed there...

[Seventh Son]

*Checks sources*

*allmusic*

Maybe the sources are just... wrong? No offense, but I wouldn't trust allmusic's opinions on music even if I got a free blowjob for it.

Which is fine, but you can't expect people to just take your word for it when you claim that a respected musical guide is wrong and you're right without any backing argument or source.

Back to the subject of Nu Metal, it looks like there was someone arguing the same thing you are in one of the old discussion pages. It's under Sources and Slant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nu_metal/Archive_5

It basically came down to "sources; site them."

That's the thing, anyone can come up with random sources that arbitrarily support their opinion while lacking neutrality. And more often than not, wikipedia seems to accept those kinds of sources, especially on music. Which is why I tend to lol at using wikipedia as a source in a musical argument.
Not to mention I have a sneaking suspicion that most of these "Respected Musical Guides" know very little about music (Especially more underground styles of music) that they talk about.
 
Its probably not the most convincing thing, but Nu-metal simply sounds closer to Hard Rock to me than it does Metal.

[bosk1]

Whether you are right or wrong, you are completely derailing the thread wiht this discussion.  Can we get back on topic?

[Seventh Son]

Whether you are right or wrong, you are completely derailing the thread wiht this discussion.  Can we get back on topic?

Sorry, you're right. 

Just something that tends to grab my attention quite a bit.

Back on topic, I still say Slough Feg. I'd love to say Cormorant because their debut makes me all kinds of hot (Best release of 2009 imo), but its just one album by them so I'd need more from them to say Cormorant.

But Slough Feg has never disappointed me, and I much prefer them to the other top runners in this topic, so Slough Feg it is.