Author Topic: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)  (Read 276564 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Liberation

  • Posts: 859
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1365 on: October 14, 2011, 04:34:47 AM »
I threw that electronic idea as a joke :lol but it's nice it became a sort of discussion. :)

More seriously, I wouldn't mind an electronic album if it was something darker. I'm not really a fan of electronic music, but there are some uses of it that have impressed me (e.g. Riverside - Hybrid Times outro, which is absolute genius). The Pineapple Thief also nicely combined electronic parts with very energetic and quite heavy riffs. If they go in that direction, I'll be very curious. But if it would be a "LET'S DISCO" album... fuck no. :lol

Offline Gorille85

  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4105
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1366 on: October 14, 2011, 11:50:24 AM »
But if it would be a "LET'S DISCO" album... fuck no. :lol

That would seriously be awesome.

Offline Liberation

  • Posts: 859
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1367 on: October 14, 2011, 12:28:05 PM »
No... No... No... No. That sounds wrong on an infinite amount of levels.

Offline ariich

  • sexin' you later
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 20144
  • Gender: Male
  • Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun!
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1368 on: October 14, 2011, 05:49:39 PM »
I love Disco Queen. A whole album like that would probably be so good, as long as there was still enough variety!

Offline ClairvoyantCat

  • DT is no longer Majesty.
  • Posts: 3148
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1369 on: October 15, 2011, 06:14:06 PM »
For more thought in speculating about where they are going to go next, Daniel said that To the Shoreline and 1979 were the two songs on the album that were closest to the general direction that he wanted to go from here, or something to that effect.  Presumably that means that we might be getting even more of the folky sound next.  ..Which would be awesome, especially since those two songs are probably my favorites on the album. 

Offline ariich

  • sexin' you later
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 20144
  • Gender: Male
  • Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun!
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1370 on: October 15, 2011, 06:23:38 PM »
Those are my favourites, so that would be bloody amazing.

Offline faemir

  • Official DTF 5.0 mix HATER
  • Posts: 3836
  • Gender: Male
    • www.faemir.co.uk
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1371 on: October 16, 2011, 08:58:41 AM »
Those are both two of the strongest on the album, so that would be awesome.

Offline MirzekDT

  • Posts: 610
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1372 on: October 16, 2011, 11:38:16 AM »
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

Offline faemir

  • Official DTF 5.0 mix HATER
  • Posts: 3836
  • Gender: Male
    • www.faemir.co.uk
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1373 on: October 16, 2011, 11:41:11 AM »
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

Offline petrucci07

  • Posts: 719
  • Gender: Male
  • O HAI
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1374 on: October 16, 2011, 01:01:08 PM »
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

My exact thoughts, it's easily the best on the album for me.

Also, according to the lyric booklet its subtitle is "Into the Wild", which is cool
Plus, called me Joe, I friggin' hate my username. 

Offline TheVoxyn

  • "The X makes it sound cool"
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 4696
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1375 on: October 16, 2011, 01:20:23 PM »
I really love Through the Distance. I don't know if it's my favourite but it's definitely up there.

Offline Liberation

  • Posts: 859
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1376 on: October 16, 2011, 01:25:07 PM »
My favourite is definitely The Deeper Cut and second probably The Physics of Gridlock but not sure what's after them.

Offline MirzekDT

  • Posts: 610
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1377 on: October 16, 2011, 02:45:14 PM »
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

I really love The Deeper Cut, those songs weren't my only favorite songs I mentioned those specifically because they were mentioned in previous posts and they all resonate with me so much.

Anyway my favorite songs from RS2 in no particular order are these: Softly She Cries, Healing Now, To The Shoreline, 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, The Physics Of Gridlock

Then not the best but still awesome songs are: Road Salt Theme, Conditioned, Mortar Grind, Through The Distance, End Credits

And both remaining songs Eleven and Break Darling Break are still great but not as good as above

RS2 is really incredible album much better than RS1 (and I loved that one too) I will see how it will age but it has big potential to become my favorite POS album

Offline faemir

  • Official DTF 5.0 mix HATER
  • Posts: 3836
  • Gender: Male
    • www.faemir.co.uk
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1378 on: October 20, 2011, 06:36:49 AM »
Do people bother with the chapter tags in their song titles? officially on musicbrainz the tags have them, and wikipedia has the tracks listed under chapters, meaning the albums go like:
! (foreword)       
Chapter I: Welcome to Entropia       
Chapter I: Winning a War       
Chapter I: People Passing By       
Chapter I: Oblivion Ocean       
Chapter II: Stress       
Chapter II: Revival       
Chapter II: Void of Her       
Chapter II: To the End    
Chapter II: Never Learn to Fly   
Chapter III: Circles       
Chapter III: Nightmist       
Chapter III: Plains of Dawn       
Chapter III: Leaving Entropia (epilogue)

Spirit of the Land       
Part of the Machine: Inside       
Part of the Machine: The Big Machine       
Part of the Machine: New Year's Eve       
Spirit of Man: Handful of Nothing       
Spirit of Man: Water       
Spirit of Man: Home       
Karachay: Black Hills       
Karachay: Pilgrim       
Karachay: Shore Serenity    
Karachay: Inside Out

Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Used    
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": In the Flesh       
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Ashes       
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Morning on Earth       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Idioglossia       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Her Voices       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Dedication       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": King of Loss       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Reconciliation       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Song for the Innocent       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Falling       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": The Perfect Element       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Epilogue

Of Two Beginnings       
Chapter I: Ending Theme    
Chapter I: Fandango       
Chapter I: A Trace of Blood       
Chapter I: This Heart of Mine (I Pledge)
Chapter I: Thorn Clown   
Chapter I: Undertow       
Chapter II: Rope Ends       
Chapter II: Chain Sling       
Chapter II: Dryad of the Woods       
Chapter III: Remedy Lane       
Chapter III: Waking Every God       
Chapter III: Second Love       
Chapter III: Beyond the Pale

Prologue: Animae Partus ("I Am")       
I. Animae Partus: Deus Nova       
I. Animae Partus: Imago (Homines Partus)    
I. Animae Partus: Pluvius Aestivus       
II. Machinassiah: Lilium Cruentus (Deus Nova)       
II. Machinassiah: Nauticus (Drifting)       
II. Machinassiah: Dea Pecuniae: I. Mister Money - II. Permanere - III. I Raise My Glass    
III. Machinageddon: Vocari Dei       
III. Machinageddon: Diffidentia (Breaching the Core)       
III. Machinageddon: Nihil Morari       
IV. Machinauticus: Latericius Valete    
IV. Machinauticus: Omni       
IV. Machinauticus: Iter Impius       
IV. Machinauticus: Martius/Nauticus II    
V. Deus Nova Mobile: Animae Partus II

BE looks good to me, but the others it seems a bit awkward to look at - especially TPE1.

So do people use any of them or not?
« Last Edit: October 20, 2011, 06:58:26 AM by faemir »

Offline Zantera

  • the Flood
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12022
  • Gender: Male
  • Feedback overload
    • http://parisinthespring.bandcamp.com/
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1379 on: October 20, 2011, 06:56:57 AM »
I don't, except for on 12:5.
That album is the worst album to tag ever.

Offline faemir

  • Official DTF 5.0 mix HATER
  • Posts: 3836
  • Gender: Male
    • www.faemir.co.uk
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1380 on: October 20, 2011, 07:19:57 AM »
I think I might just have a custom id3 tag called chapter to keep it as a reference, then leave them in on 12:5 and BE (BE's look cool!)

edit: how many of the japanese bonus tracks do people have? I have the Remedy Lane one and it's...not very good.

Offline Zantera

  • the Flood
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12022
  • Gender: Male
  • Feedback overload
    • http://parisinthespring.bandcamp.com/
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1381 on: October 20, 2011, 07:53:30 AM »
Thorn Clown?
Pretty good song from what I remember.

The problem with Remedy Lane for me, is that two instrumentals in a row really kills the flow, so the additional song really makes the flow better.

Offline Liberation

  • Posts: 859
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1382 on: October 20, 2011, 08:51:30 AM »
I don't really consider the title track a proper instrumental, more like an interlude.

Offline Zantera

  • the Flood
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12022
  • Gender: Male
  • Feedback overload
    • http://parisinthespring.bandcamp.com/
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1383 on: October 20, 2011, 09:58:32 AM »
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

I don't have anything about instrumental music or so, Post-Rock is my favorite genre and it's in most cases instrumental, but as I said, on an album with vocals, it does kill the flow a bit with 7 instrumental minutes.
Nothing wrong with the songs, cause I do love Dryad of the Woods.  :heart

Offline faemir

  • Official DTF 5.0 mix HATER
  • Posts: 3836
  • Gender: Male
    • www.faemir.co.uk
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1384 on: October 20, 2011, 10:04:37 AM »
I guess I don't mind instrumentals if they are awesome like the title track, so it doesn't wreck the flow for me.

And Thorn Clown is between This Heart and Undertow I think, though there are conflicting reports. the mix on the sound felt weird (and bad), and it doesn't fit  the album at all. It's too heavy.

Offline Zantera

  • the Flood
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12022
  • Gender: Male
  • Feedback overload
    • http://parisinthespring.bandcamp.com/
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1385 on: October 20, 2011, 10:40:13 AM »
"The Japanese edition of this album also contains a bonus track titled Thorn Clown (7:23) that fits in between " Dryad of the Woods" and "Remedy Lane"."

That's what I've heard everywhere tbh, but I mostly listen to the album as it is. :P

Offline contest_sanity

  • Posts: 2266
  • Gender: Male
    • A merican lite ra(p)ture(s)
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1386 on: October 20, 2011, 09:59:22 PM »
I always found it interesting that a non-all-instrumental album would have two instrumentals back to back.  That seems pretty unique to me, as I can't think of any other albums with such an occurrence.

Offline Nihil-Morari

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 5328
  • Gender: Male
  • Check out the Zappa Discography thread!
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1387 on: October 21, 2011, 07:37:43 AM »
Wow.


The limited edition of RS2 adds so much. The two extra tracks make it more of a second part album, instead of a follow up.
The FZ Discography Thread! http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44650.0
Nihil-Morari is generally considered the resident Zappa person.

Offline Lynxo

  • It hurts when I poo
  • Posts: 1577
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1388 on: October 21, 2011, 08:32:32 AM »
http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/johan-leaves-pos/

Noooooooooo! :( Dammit, why does everyone leave this band?
Lynxo cured my bad breath with his penis.

Offline Perpetual Change

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 12264
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1389 on: October 21, 2011, 08:36:55 AM »
Holy shit.

I truly treasure the albums PoS made pre-Scarsick. Sad to see how much of that band is gone now...

Offline TheVoxyn

  • "The X makes it sound cool"
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 4696
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1390 on: October 21, 2011, 08:39:11 AM »
:( Hallgren was so awesome... Especially in a live setting he was amazing.

Offline NecessaryPain

  • Posts: 302
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1391 on: October 21, 2011, 08:39:44 AM »
Truly did not see that coming.

But the band has always been about Gildenlol. I'm sure they'll find a good replacement.
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.

Offline Nihil-Morari

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 5328
  • Gender: Male
  • Check out the Zappa Discography thread!
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1392 on: October 21, 2011, 08:40:01 AM »
Djees... Did not see this coming.


So, it's only Daniel and Frederik now? I guess Frederik will leave soon too, leaving only the DG project.
If he keeps making albums like RS2 I'm not complaining though.
The FZ Discography Thread! http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44650.0
Nihil-Morari is generally considered the resident Zappa person.

Offline Perpetual Change

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 12264
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1393 on: October 21, 2011, 08:42:50 AM »
Studio PoS has always more or less been a DG solo thing.

But, live, Johan brought so much character... and unless you saw it yourself or on DVD, you'd never know how instrumental he was into pulling off the live act. Similar to what Kristofer Gildenlow brought to the live performances... so much energy and character...

Now, both live and in studio, PoS is all about Daniel, all the time. Sad...

Offline Nihil-Morari

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 5328
  • Gender: Male
  • Check out the Zappa Discography thread!
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1394 on: October 21, 2011, 08:50:10 AM »
Studio PoS has always more or less been a DG solo thing.

But, live, Johan brought so much character... and unless you saw it yourself or on DVD, you'd never know how instrumental he was into pulling off the live act. Similar to what Kristofer Gildenlow brought to the live performances... so much energy and character...

Now, both live and in studio, PoS is all about Daniel, all the time. Sad...

I saw them live, and you can see me on a dvd seeing them live too ;)
But yeah, live would be totally different now. Although I'm sure he'll pull a 'zappa' and get an awesome band around himself, to get him to play his music.
The FZ Discography Thread! http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44650.0
Nihil-Morari is generally considered the resident Zappa person.

Offline Zantera

  • the Flood
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12022
  • Gender: Male
  • Feedback overload
    • http://parisinthespring.bandcamp.com/
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1395 on: October 21, 2011, 08:54:17 AM »
Sad news. :(
I'm glad that he'll still be with them on the tour though, seeing as I'll be one of the last fans to see him live right before he quits.

Offline Liberation

  • Posts: 859
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1396 on: October 21, 2011, 09:14:52 AM »
This is really, really not good... He definitely feels like part of the core of the band for me.

Offline faemir

  • Official DTF 5.0 mix HATER
  • Posts: 3836
  • Gender: Male
    • www.faemir.co.uk
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1397 on: October 21, 2011, 11:00:23 AM »
Argh! I love Johan :(

Never got to see them live with him either... well as long as they find a good replacement I'll be happy. The new drummer doesn't live up to the old one though he's still good enough.

Offline petrucci07

  • Posts: 719
  • Gender: Male
  • O HAI
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1398 on: October 21, 2011, 12:02:54 PM »
This fucking SUCKS! So glad I bought that Opeth ticket now though
Plus, called me Joe, I friggin' hate my username. 

Offline Algo Fonix

  • The Generic Dr. Pepper
  • DT.net Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 288
  • Gender: Male
  • Pretty tired
Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1399 on: October 21, 2011, 12:36:25 PM »
This really sucks. And I never got to see them live. Now I'll never get to see them with him.  :'(