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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1155 on: August 30, 2011, 04:31:40 PM »
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.

Most bands record more songs than they release, and the final track list is usually not made up till the end. That alone should disprove your point without resorting to specific exceptions.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1156 on: August 30, 2011, 04:32:26 PM »
Thorn Clown is in the middle of Remedy Lane. The album flows just fine without it.

That said, I really wish they'd stop doing this.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1157 on: August 30, 2011, 04:33:26 PM »
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Why must it be an error? The bonus track on RS1 was the first track! And it makes sense to put them in somewhere appropriate on the album, rather than after "Ending Credits". :P

1.   Road Salt Theme   Pain Of Salvation   04:44   
2.   Softly She Cries   Pain Of Salvation   04:15   
3.   Conditioned   Pain Of Salvation   04:15   
4.   Healing Now   Pain Of Salvation   04:29   
5.   To the Shoreline   Pain Of Salvation   03:03   
6.   Eleven   Pain Of Salvation   06:55   
7.   1979   Pain Of Salvation   02:52   
8.   The Deeper Cut   Pain Of Salvation   06:10   
9.   Mortar Grind   Pain Of Salvation   05:46   
10.   Through The Distance   Pain Of Salvation   02:56   
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   Pain Of Salvation   08:43   
12.   End Credits   Pain Of Salvation   03:25   
13.   The Physics Of Gridlock   Pain Of Salvation   08:43   
14.   End Credits   Pain Of Salvation   03:25   

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1158 on: August 30, 2011, 04:48:49 PM »
Oh that listing is definitely an error, yeah. :lol

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1159 on: August 30, 2011, 05:17:21 PM »
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1160 on: August 30, 2011, 05:19:09 PM »
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

It's not my favorite album, but I still love it. It's probably 5th on my list, above RS1, and Scarsick.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1161 on: August 30, 2011, 05:20:11 PM »
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   

What?

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1162 on: August 30, 2011, 06:24:46 PM »
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.

Most bands record more songs than they release, and the final track list is usually not made up till the end. That alone should disprove your point without resorting to specific exceptions.
I'm talking about PoS themselves. I think basically every pre-RS album simply shouldn't be changed and such thing as bonus tracks simply isn't an option (I can't really imagine how RL with the bonus track works). If this time they're adding bonuses and now it's not even an intro but two songs in the middle then it's obvious to me it's even less album-focused than RS1 and much more just a set of individual songs.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1163 on: August 30, 2011, 06:25:54 PM »
Aside from Scarsick, every other PoS cd is a concept album. Until RS that is, now these are just normal every day albums, track listing doesn't matter as much on those.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1164 on: August 30, 2011, 06:28:09 PM »
Aside from Scarsick, every other PoS cd is a concept album. Until RS that is, now these are just normal every day albums, track listing doesn't matter as much on those.
...what?

I know, I'm just pointing that out. I'm not really happy about that but I can't say I'm very surprised either.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1165 on: August 30, 2011, 06:29:14 PM »
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1166 on: August 30, 2011, 07:12:53 PM »
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   

What?

i know. its extra messed up.

Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

it isn't. it's exactly the the type of follow up to entropia i woulda expected. and that ain't a bad thing, that's a good thing. daniel himself seems to have issues with the album for some reason, though

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1167 on: August 31, 2011, 12:11:33 AM »
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

I really like it myself!
Like Adami said, I would prolly rank it over RS1 and Scarsick.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1168 on: August 31, 2011, 05:43:01 AM »
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1169 on: August 31, 2011, 05:46:50 AM »
Dude, they have ALWAYS had bonus songs in their albums that was only avaliable on the Japanese edition. Road Salt One had an instrumental track called Tip Two Toe, Entropia has Never Learn To Fly, Remedy Lane has Torn Clown, OHBTCL has Beyond the Mirror and one other track I can't remember, The Perfect Element had Epilogue, which they sometimes uses to open shows with.

Just do a YouTube search and you find most of these.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1170 on: August 31, 2011, 06:42:30 AM »
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

Well, it's cheaply tied together, a few songs can be legitimately seen as a follow up the He character from TPE, but the rest are really just Daniel complaining about stuff he doesn't like and claiming it's from the characters point of view, which is pretty lame.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1171 on: August 31, 2011, 07:15:47 AM »
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

Well, it's cheaply tied together, a few songs can be legitimately seen as a follow up the He character from TPE, but the rest are really just Daniel complaining about stuff he doesn't like and claiming it's from the characters point of view, which is pretty lame.
Because obviously the He from TPE1 was perfectly alright with the world around him, he was perfectly suited to it and he was like the model citizen. And on Scarsick it's like BAM, a sudden 180 degrees turn!

It's fine if you dislike Scarsick but creating a massive ideology around it isn't the best path, especially if it doesn't make sense.

Dude, they have ALWAYS had bonus songs in their albums that was only avaliable on the Japanese edition. Road Salt One had an instrumental track called Tip Two Toe, Entropia has Never Learn To Fly, Remedy Lane has Torn Clown, OHBTCL has Beyond the Mirror and one other track I can't remember, The Perfect Element had Epilogue, which they sometimes uses to open shows with.

Just do a YouTube search and you find most of these.
Yes but it was the Japanese edition, not just the digipack version of the regular edition. It's not like I hate it or something, just saying that it probably means it's not going to be much of a concept album just like RS1; it doesn't make me rage, I'm just not very happy about it. That's all.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1172 on: August 31, 2011, 07:19:52 AM »
A massive ideology? Nothing I posted didn't make sense, Daniel feels the exact same way as the character on Scarsick, he went from deep emotional rages about his parents raising him to complaining about fast food.


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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1173 on: August 31, 2011, 08:40:11 AM »
I can kind of follow that. He convinces himself that his parents ruined his world, but when he looks around, he realizes the whole world is fucked.

Album still sucks though.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1174 on: August 31, 2011, 08:58:34 AM »
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1175 on: August 31, 2011, 09:08:05 AM »
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1176 on: August 31, 2011, 10:05:28 AM »
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

Just noticed that myself haha. But it seems that if I am female, then I am claimed by Ariich, so if you're looking for some lesbian thing, then you're gonna have to look elsewhere, ask Mastershake or whatever.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1177 on: August 31, 2011, 10:06:57 AM »
I can kind of follow that. He convinces himself that his parents ruined his world, but when he looks around, he realizes the whole world is fucked.

Album still sucks though.

No no, it's definitely possible and logical, just not likely. What's more likely is that Daniel just wrote a bunch of lyrics from his own point of view and then attributed them to Him so that the album didn't come off as totally self centered.........which it did anyway.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1178 on: August 31, 2011, 10:43:05 AM »
I really hope TPE III doesn't suck.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1179 on: August 31, 2011, 10:45:15 AM »
I really hope TPE III doesn't suck.

I remember hearing that originally BE (musically speaking) was going to be TPEII, but then it became BE. Then I heard from Johan I believe that Daniel was putting off doing TPEIII till he could record it with an orchestra, however now that Daniel hates any form of music made after 1979, it's hard to tell if it will be made and what form it will take.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1180 on: August 31, 2011, 10:46:33 AM »
I'm actually kind of expecting him to get his "experiment" ideas out and then maybe fall back on TPE III as a way to go back to the Remedy Lane style.

At least, I fucking hope that's what will happen. I really miss that stuff.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1181 on: August 31, 2011, 11:03:05 AM »
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

Just noticed that myself haha. But it seems that if I am female, then I am claimed by Ariich, so if you're looking for some lesbian thing, then you're gonna have to look elsewhere, ask Mastershake or whatever.

Damn I kinda was hoping for a lesbian thing. Tell me if you get bored of Rich  ;)

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1182 on: August 31, 2011, 12:31:54 PM »
She pours herself another glass of wine
Tells herself yet another time she's fine

Never thought that you were conditioned
Never thought that you could be sold... or controlled

Hear me now
Remove these old scars from my soul
Hear me now
Unhinge this stressed skin from our bones

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1183 on: August 31, 2011, 12:51:32 PM »
Sequel to Sisters? PLEASE LET IT BE SO
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1184 on: August 31, 2011, 01:01:16 PM »
HOLY FUCKING GOD I WANT THIS ALBUM SO BAD

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1185 on: August 31, 2011, 01:01:29 PM »
What makes you think that was all from 1 song?
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1186 on: August 31, 2011, 01:03:25 PM »
What makes you think that was all from 1 song?

The wine angle gives it a connection to Sisters. Just asking. :p
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1187 on: August 31, 2011, 01:04:20 PM »
No, I'm just saying that each stanza is from a different song on the new album, they aren't all from one song.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1188 on: August 31, 2011, 01:07:42 PM »
give it to us

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1189 on: August 31, 2011, 01:12:21 PM »
That's what her and her friend said.
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