Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD

[ariich]

Who said anything about being a QR-hater? I like lots of their stuff, as do loads of people here. I just think that DG sounds nothing like Tate, beyond the fact that both can sing high notes.

[InTheNameOfGod]

But Martius/Nauticus II, Pluvius Aestivus, and Dea Pecunia are even better!

Close. All great songs. Pluvius is a short instrumental, and as beautiful as it is, isn't close to the other 3 we've mentioned.

Iter and Dea Pecunia are the best 2 songs on the album, IMO.

[bodiesinflight]

BE is massively overrated and a really OTT, not particularly good album. I'd choose something else.

It's better than any of the albums you've reviewed in your blog.

Nah it's really not...it's crap. Of course I'm not allowed to have this opinion because it's one of DTF's "albums that cannot be criticised" but still  


Edit: Also I've only reviewed one album on my blog so that doesn't exactly prove much does it 

[bodiesinflight]

Your dad should like it if he like's concepts. Just show him it and don't worry with what he thinks if he like's it he like's it if not then oh well he's still your dad.

Does he speak Latin?

Even if he does he still won't have a zarking clue what it's about

[ariich]

I have a clue what it's about and I don't speak Latin

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's bad.

[LadyEars]

Does he speak Latin?

Even if he does he still won't have a zarking clue what it's about

I listened to a few of the songs yesterday on Grooveshark and could have sworn they were in English?

[bodiesinflight]

It was kinda a bit of a joke but nvm.

See what I mean about basically not being allowed to criticise this album? 

Rich, as I've already said numerous times, the fact it's pretty hard to grasp what's going on isn't the reason I dislike the album, I dislike it because I think it's an example of all the bad sterotypes people have of prog in one very long and rather dull lump.

[ariich]

I know (although I still disagree), I was just responding in an equally controversial manner.

[bodiesinflight]

None of this is controversial...not enough people know about PoS for this debate to be anywhere near controversial.

Sucks how they're totally missing out the UK on their Euro tour btw 

[LadyEars]

Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

[petrucci07]

Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

The first thing Daniel says when he walks on stage is "Tonight we're gonna fuck you up so bad you don't know what hit you!"
Which doesn't make sense, but still.
Apart from that, there's nothing, I think.

[Plasmastrike]

Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

The first thing Daniel says when he walks on stage is "Tonight we're gonna fuck you up so bad you don't know what hit you!"
Which doesn't make sense, but still.
Apart from that, there's nothing, I think.

I'll have to get this DVD.

I've really become a fan of this band. Very often I'm finding myself in a PoS mood.

[petrucci07]

Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

The first thing Daniel says when he walks on stage is "Tonight we're gonna fuck you up so bad you don't know what hit you!"
Which doesn't make sense, but still.
Apart from that, there's nothing, I think.

I'll have to get this DVD.

I've really become a fan of this band. Very often I'm finding myself in a PoS mood.

I would get the CD/DVD boxset, it's amazing.

[Silver Tears]

This thread has inspired me to watch the BE DVD again tonight. 

[LadyEars]

This thread has inspired me to watch the BE DVD again tonight.

Lucky you! I have to wait until next week (HOPING husband got it for me for my b-day).

[ClairvoyantCat]

Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

Well on the Documentary there's loads, but on the performance, only that first line.  Ending Themes is very much a metal concert... maybe 2 or 3 lighter songs at most.  BE is better to me because the song selection is better, Daniel's voice is the best it's ever been, and there's a freaking orchestra!  And the last song on the DVD, Martius/Nauticus II.......   


And both have some really hilarious Easter eggs!  Really you can't go wrong with Pain of Salvation, though. 

[wolfking]

Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

Well on the Documentary there's loads, but on the performance, only that first line.  Ending Themes is very much a metal concert... maybe 2 or 3 lighter songs at most.  BE is better to me because the song selection is better, Daniel's voice is the best it's ever been, and there's a freaking orchestra!  And the last song on the DVD Martius/Nauticus II   


And both have some really hilarious Easter eggs!  Really you can't go wrong with Pain of Salvation, though. 

I would like to add that the concert highlights Cribcaged which uses profanity.

[ClairvoyantCat]

Oh.  Yeah.  That. 




I guess if you really don't appreciate explicitness, forget that I mentioned Easter Eggs on BE.  You might find a pretty disturbing one in there, actually. 

[Silver Tears]

This thread has inspired me to watch the BE DVD again tonight.

Lucky you! I have to wait until next week (HOPING husband got it for me for my b-day).

Dammit I just got home and it's a bit late to start watching now. Tomorrow!

[wolfking]

Oh.  Yeah.  That. 




I guess if you really don't appreciate explicitness, forget that I mentioned Easter Eggs on BE.  You might find a pretty disturbing one in there, actually. 

I haven't looked for any easter eggs yet, what it this one you speak of??

[LadyEars]

Well, the outcome wasn't so good...

As soon as my dad realized that the vocals were overdubbed he started questioning the integrity of the live performance ("was it all overdubbed?"). I ended up shutting it off because he was complaining so much I couldn't even enjoy it. I still haven't seen the whole thing yet.

The good news is my husband is starting to get into PoS now. He read the Wiki page about the Be concept and he said it's something he could really get into.

Oh, by the way, he bought me the Be DVD (with CD) and the Ending Themes DVD for my b-day. We watched the ET live concent footage last night and loved it!

Haven't stopped listening to PoS for weeks now. They keep sounding better and better.

[Ben_Jamin]

It's samples. also tell your dad they made the DVD before the studio cd. Also, has your dad seen a Rush concert/DVD? I would like to know if he would complain they use samples like in BE

[ariich]

I'm not aware of any overdubs in the Be DVD.

[petrucci07]

Yeah, there aren't any overdubs on that DVD. It even says in the liner notes, "No re-recordings have been done". Did he mean the speech samples, like the population figrues?

[Adami]

The only added in "singing" was the female vocal part over the guitar solo. All of DGs vocals were live.

[ariich]

I'm fairly sure the whole of Drifting was just a backing-track. But yeah, all the proper full band stuff was completely live.

Your dad sounds like a nutter.

[Adami]

I'm fairly sure the whole of Drifting was just a backing-track. But yeah, all the proper full band stuff was completely live.

Your dad sounds like a nutter.

Oh yea that song too. But they didn't even pretend to sing it live.

[LadyEars]

I'm not complaining; a lot of bands overdub vocals on live DVDs (even DT). But the lips are definitely out of synch with the vocals on Be Live. I thought it was very obvious in every song (at least the ones I saw). There is one part where he is ripping his jacket off and the microphone is nowhere near his mouth and the vocal volume never changes. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this makes him any less awesome but I would certainly prefer to hear the raw vocals as they were performed during the show. Now on Ending Themes DG is definitely not overdubbed.

[Adami]

I'm not complaining; a lot of bands overdub vocals on live DVDs (even DT). But the lips are definitely out of synch with the vocals on Be Live. I thought it was very obvious in every song (at least the ones I saw). There is one part where he is ripping his jacket off and the microphone is nowhere near his mouth and the vocal volume never changes. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this makes him any less awesome but I would certainly prefer to hear the raw vocals as they were performed during the show. Now on Ending Themes DG is definitely not overdubbed.

Your version might be messed up then, there are no syncing issues on what I have. Hell, there's even a part where he sings into a cup instead of a mic and his vocal level goes wayyyy down. Plus, there are some lyrical mistakes you'd think they'd fix.

Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.

[TheVoxyn]

I'm not complaining; a lot of bands overdub vocals on live DVDs (even DT). But the lips are definitely out of synch with the vocals on Be Live. I thought it was very obvious in every song (at least the ones I saw). There is one part where he is ripping his jacket off and the microphone is nowhere near his mouth and the vocal volume never changes. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this makes him any less awesome but I would certainly prefer to hear the raw vocals as they were performed during the show. Now on Ending Themes DG is definitely not overdubbed.

Your version might be messed up then, there are no syncing issues on what I have. Hell, there's even a part where he sings into a cup instead of a mic and his vocal level goes wayyyy down. Plus, there are some lyrical mistakes you'd think they'd fix.

Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.

What this smart guy says.

[Adami]

That part always bothers me, when Johan gets the wrong lyrics. Everyone should know exactly what I'm talking about.

[LadyEars]

Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.

It really looks overdubbed to me but I believe you guys because obviously you all know the DVD inside out.

[Adami]

Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.

It really looks overdubbed to me but I believe you guys because obviously you all know the DVD inside out.

I think it might be an audio/video sync issue with your copy then. Because with mine there isn't the slightest hint that he overdubbed anything. They always match up, and when he's not at the mic, he's not making noise. You are more than welcome to come over and watch mine.

[TheVoxyn]

Can I come over as well?


But yea, I've watched the dvd multiple times and I have never seen anything out of sync. And I get really annoyed by stuff that is out of sync so I would have noticed it.

And it would have been weird indeed if they overdubbed it but left all the mistakes in.

[LadyEars]

I think it might be an audio/video sync issue with your copy then. Because with mine there isn't the slightest hint that he overdubbed anything. They always match up, and when he's not at the mic, he's not making noise. You are more than welcome to come over and watch mine.

Does that really happen where one can get a bad copy that is out of synch?