I've given up trying to get into them. I love the musicianship; Brann in particular is a stellar drummer. But I absolutely hate the vocals. I've tried numerous times to look past them and just enjoy the music, but to no avail. Brent and Troy sound like absolute shit on everything pre-Crack the Skye, and the vocals on that album are only passable at best. It's a shame because as I said, they're great musicians. Call me when they get an actual singer that doesn't sound like a retarded mental patient and I'll give them another chance.