I have lost my Pain of Salvation virginity today, I purchased......

[TheVoxyn]

I'm listening to some BE now, I love this album so much <3333.

[Adami]

If you get BE, I would highly suggest getting the live DVD first before the studio version. I did and now it's one of my fav albums ever. Seeing it performed is an amazing experience.

[TheVoxyn]

Both are pretty cool, and both have their strong and weak points. The DVD is one of the only concert DVD's I actually watch.

Also have the signed BE poster hanging on my wall here (in a frame) together with a setlist I got at one of the concerts from last year .

[Adami]

Both are pretty cool, and both have their strong and weak points. The DVD is one of the only concert DVD's I actually watch.

Also have the signed BE poster hanging on my wall here (in a frame) together with a setlist I got at one of the concerts from last year .

Hey, go kill yourself buddy.

[TheVoxyn]

Both are pretty cool, and both have their strong and weak points. The DVD is one of the only concert DVD's I actually watch.

Also have the signed BE poster hanging on my wall here (in a frame) together with a setlist I got at one of the concerts from last year .

Hey, go kill yourself buddy.

Not after I see PoS for the fourth time.

*run*

[Adami]

Well if you have to run.....run....

For hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheVoxyn]

I see what you did there.

[Darkes7]

I don't want to see!

Close my eyes...

[Adami]

I see what you did there.

And it was glurious.

[TheVoxyn]

1.2 MILLION PEOPLE.




Wait what?

[Adami]

99% of humanity couldn't put together a simple light bulb with a gun to their heads.


You know what DG? I bet you couldn't put one together either. And what the hell kind of example is that of anything?

[TheVoxyn]

99% of humanity couldn't put together a simple light bulb with a gun to their heads.


You know what DG? I bet you couldn't put one together either. And what the hell kind of example is that of anything?

YEA! That is the exact same thing I think whenever I hear that line. One of the only flaws of the album  .

[sonatafanica]

It's just sort of saying how we live in a culture dominated by technology, and no one knows anything about technology.

[wolfking]

I'm listening through Scarsick for the second time.

The title track is quite good.  The harmonies are very eerie.  Nice atmosphere throughout, definitely a grower.

Spitfall I am really enjoying.  I wouldn't say Daniel is full on rapping here, very strong ranting I'd say over a groovy beat.  The chorus is great.  I'm loving all the little fills that hide everywhere through the song.  Good stuff.

Cribcaged.  Quite emotional, I like the atmosphere, and the fuck section is very strong.

America.  I'm listening to this now.  It's just very strange.  Very ska influenced.  Reminds of Reel Big Fish or something.  Not digging it at the moment.  Maybe when I purchase the DVD I may appreciate it more.

[TheVoxyn]

If you think Cribcaged is emotional, wait till you listen to any of their other albums.

[Darkes7]

When you reach Enter Rain any possible weaknesses will stop to have any importance.

[Adami]

I think it's quite a bit slower on the DVD.

America, that is.

[Darkes7]

Haven't noticed that but Flame to The Moth is a bit faster.

(The song which needed the most time to grow on me from Scarsick and now one of my favourites.)

[wolfking]

If you think Cribcaged is emotional, wait till you listen to any of their other albums.

Excellent, I can't wait.

[TheVoxyn]

Just say NO. YEA!


DG jokes are so bad on the album. He was very funny the times I saw him  .

[Adami]

Haven't noticed that but Flame to The Moth is a bit faster.

(The song which needed the most time to grow on me from Scarsick and now one of my favourites.)

It is? I didn't notice, but you could be right. Was Ending Themes played to a click track? I couldn't tell based off the behind the scenes stuff since he was talking about the BE dvd so often.


And FTTM is one of my favs too, but it didn't take any time to grow. In fact the only 'grower' on that album for me was Enter Rain. I still don't worship it the way everyone else does, but I like it a lot.

[Adami]

Just say NO. YEA!


DG jokes are so bad on the album. He was very funny the times I saw him  .

I dunno if I'd consider "yeah" a joke, but it did ruin the vibe for me. Hearing the audience chant NO! was awesome by itself, should have ended there.

And the only other joke I remember is the Matrix one, which was horrible.

[TheVoxyn]

Just say NO. YEA!


DG jokes are so bad on the album. He was very funny the times I saw him  .

I dunno if I'd consider "yeah" a joke, but it did ruin the vibe for me. Hearing the audience chant NO! was awesome by itself, should have ended there.

And the only other joke I remember is the Matrix one, which was horrible.

I was mainly talking about the Matrix one, that one was so bad .

[Ultimetalhead]

Go this way: Remedy Lane -> The Perfect Element -> "BE" -> Entropia -> One Hour By the Concrete Lake -> Scarsick

Yes, Scarsick is so easily their worst album.

Okay, rather than everyone keep repeating themselves saying 'Scarsick is their worst album' (which is getting totally boring by the way)- why not give us some reasons as to why you feel this way?

As much as I love Dream Theater, (a band that hasn't done anything new in years) I wouldn't find myself spamming the DT forum saying Octavarium and Systematic Chaos are by far DT's worst albums. What kind of response do you gain from that? People are posting crap like this on every page of every PoS thread. It's getting a bit boring now, guys.

All of PoS's albums are completely different. Better get used to it. Once Road Salt is finished, you'll most likely hear something else that's highly original and breathtaking. God forbid a band actually making an effort to explore new musical genres. I mean, how spoilt are we as fans of progressive music?

You might not like Be or Scarsick, (which is totally fine) - but they are by no means 'bad' albums. If you want to hear a bad album, go and listen to some mainstream crap. Or better yet, go listen to some metalcore and then go check their entire discography and realise that every single song on every album is structured the exact same way as the last. Then you'll have an idea on how bands like PoS, have that god-given ability to adapt.

Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.

All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.

[wolfking]

Disco Queen - I don't know, it has some nice parts, but at the moment, I can't really take it seriously.  I really enjoy part three: tighter groove.  The chorus is what is holding it back at the moment.

[robwebster]

Scarsick.  Was this a smart move?

no.

Sigz, I really like you. But this crusade against Scarsick has to stop! Scarsick is awesome, dammit.

I don't know man.  The only people I know who actually like Scarsick are people'd I'd guess would like ANYTHING PoS put out

I think PoS are a strong band but a tad overhyped, especially on these boards (becoming the new Porcupine Tree in terms of hype - if not already surpassed), but I "actually like" Scarsick.

There's a lot in its favour. It's more diverse than a lot of their catalogue. Genuinely experimental and interesting - it's not as complex, but there's nothing wrong with that. That allows it to be more visceral, which is something PoS excel at. A lot of PoS's passionate sound is based on very honest, transparent rage, which Scarsick turns up to 11.

I think PoS are "quite good," and probably wouldn't have them in my top 10. Maybe top 15. But Scarsick is good.

[TheVoxyn]

Read the lyrics for Disco Queen and see what it is really about.

It's the only song my housemates can remember , because it's so... 'unique'.

[Adami]

Read the lyrics for Disco Queen and see what it is really about.

It's the only song my housemates can remember , because it's so... 'unique'.

Any song that can either be about banging a black whore or playing a record is awesome.

However that doesn't make the chorus any better.

[TheVoxyn]

I like the chorus . I can't remember the amount of times that I have sung it when being drunk.

Disco Queen is the song I always put on, on repeat, when I am drunk . And my housemates seem to like it when they are drunk as well .

[sonatafanica]

I really don't get how people could consider PoS to be over hyped. They have a pretty small fanbase, and most of the time any discussion that goes on about them is just sort of bitching.

That being said, they are one of my favorite bands ever.

[robwebster]

Read the lyrics for Disco Queen and see what it is really about.

It's the only song my housemates can remember , because it's so... 'unique'.

That's another big plus on Scarsick's side.. Each song is very distinct and memorable.

I really dig TPE1, but christ if I can distinguish half the songs. The tone is more or less constant throughout its entire run time.

[TheVoxyn]

I really don't get how people could consider PoS to be over hyped. They have a pretty small fanbase, and most of the time any discussion that goes on about them is just sort of bitching.

This, it's usually the same group of members discussing them. Usually one group bitching about Scarsick and another group defending it .

It's my favorite band by far, and BE is my favorite album of all time. With that note, I am going to bed. Someone else take over the big fanboy role that is now opening up.

[KevShmev]

  Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. 

  I definitely do not agree with that.

[wolfking]

Kingdom of Loss - Intersting lyrics, to say the least.  I'm not too keen about the elevators because we are fat, but using a stairmaster while we watch cooking shows is quite clever IMO.

The music is good.  Nice buildups and a good solo.  More solos through the album might have helped.  Nice song, not amazing, but nice.

[wolfking]

I must also add that the album cover is freakishly disturbing!!