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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2010, 12:41:39 PM »
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2010, 12:55:09 PM »
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2010, 01:43:44 PM »
I would like to hear more from 6DOIT. Love that album.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2010, 03:07:39 PM »
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Disagree. The number of songs means the VARIETY OF TUNES. Listen, I would rather listen to 20 songs from a band, rather than 12. By default, because some of Dream Theater's songs are very long, it's really hard to get a good variety. I'm not one of those fans that sits and just likes to watch the band play. I like the different moods and soundscapes of the separate songs. So for me (and many others), it is important not just how long DT plays, but the variety of different songs in their catalog that they perform at each show.

Dream Theater's songs are long because they have that variety.  Sure, not true of the Train of Thought songs, but certainly is of pretty much any long song the band have ever done.  It's not like they just play the same riff over again.  Take A Nightmare To Remember... It's like a soft song, a metal song, and a DT instrumental all in one... Same goes for any of the big prog bands... Yes, Rush, even Zappa.  There's nothing redundant about most of the long songs.

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DT isn't playing bigger places. That has slowed down. And album sales have been the same lately as well. But you misspeak. I didn't say I didn't like the new stuff "AT ALL." I do like some of the "new" stuff, but not much after ToT.

Ha, I guess you posted this right before learning about the MSG show  ;D

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Dude, the sample size here at DTF is NOTHING in comparison to the "average" DT fan. No one that posts here is an "average" fan. People who come to DT's shows aren't just everyone here. There are easily 100s of thousands of fans that aren't here who want to hear DT do older material more.

I agree that the DTF fanbase is nothing in comparison to the average DT fan.  I was trying to point out that you sounded like you were saying that DTF posters are more likely to like new material, which is clearly fallacious.  We have plenty of old fogeys here, and plenty of posters who don't like the newer DT stuff at all.  And even if we didn't, it'd still be unverifiable.

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But DT's style of writing these long drawn out songs has a downside. It limits the number of songs they can actually play in one concert.

I agree that having long songs of the Train of Thought variety is a downside, but with BC&SL the band have come back to writing long songs that actually go different places.  So I could care less about the number of songs.  I've said it before, but my dream headlining DT set would be:

1.Metropolis
2. ACoS
3.LiTS

2nd Set

4.SDOIT
5. 8va

-encore-
6. TCoT
5.LtL

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2010, 09:56:39 PM »
I've said it before, but my dream headlining DT set would be:

1.Metropolis
2. ACoS
3.LiTS

2nd Set

4.SDOIT
5. 8va

-encore-
6. TCoT
5.LtL

Epic much?

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2010, 09:57:24 PM »
So epic that once he got to 6, he just started counting backwards.
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2010, 10:22:09 PM »
Disagree. The number of songs means the VARIETY OF TUNES. Listen, I would rather listen to 20 songs from a band, rather than 12. By default, because some of Dream Theater's songs are very long, it's really hard to get a good variety.
In fairness, nowadays there are a lot of band who have about three riffs through the whole of a three minute song. With Dream Theater you'd get at LEAST six in three minutes.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2010, 11:04:06 PM »
I've said it before, but my dream headlining DT set would be:

1.Metropolis
2. ACoS
3.LiTS

2nd Set

4.SDOIT
5. 8va

-encore-
6. TCoT
5.LtL

Epic much?
So epic that once he got to 6, he just started counting backwards.
:lol I didn't notice that!

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2010, 06:47:40 AM »
So epic that once he got to 6, he just started counting backwards.

Dammit bosk!

I'm just gonna leave it like that now.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2010, 10:17:26 AM »
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2010, 02:33:09 PM »

Dream Theater's songs are long because they have that variety.  Sure, not true of the Train of Thought songs, but certainly is of pretty much any long song the band have ever done.  It's not like they just play the same riff over again.  Take A Nightmare To Remember... It's like a soft song, a metal song, and a DT instrumental all in one... Same goes for any of the big prog bands... Yes, Rush, even Zappa.  There's nothing redundant about most of the long songs.

Dude, I said before, I like to hear DIFFERENT SONGS. Not the same songs with variety. Totally different songs. That is what I am talking about.


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Ha, I guess you posted this right before learning about the MSG show  ;D

Ha, I am talking about as a HEADLINER. DT couldn't play MSG on its own, and will never be able to (i'll take that bet with anyone).

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I agree that the DTF fanbase is nothing in comparison to the average DT fan.  I was trying to point out that you sounded like you were saying that DTF posters are more likely to like new material, which is clearly fallacious.  We have plenty of old fogeys here, and plenty of posters who don't like the newer DT stuff at all.  And even if we didn't, it'd still be unverifiable.

That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying the general fan is not a person that is on here. The general fan is someone who doesn't spend time on a message board talking about the band. They remember the band, go "I remember those guys" and go to the show expecting to hear the singles released in the 1990s. Those types. And there are more of those people out there, then there are the people like us, here on the board.

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I agree that having long songs of the Train of Thought variety is a downside, but with BC&SL the band have come back to writing long songs that actually go different places.  So I could care less about the number of songs.  I've said it before, but my dream headlining DT set would be:

I disagree. DT is very stale nowadays in my opinion. BC&SL even moreso than the last couple albums.
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2010, 03:00:26 PM »
The general fan is someone who doesn't spend time on a message board talking about the band. They remember the band, go "I remember those guys" and go to the show expecting to hear the singles released in the 1990s. Those types. And there are more of those people out there, then there are the people like us, here on the board.
Here is where I disagree.  The general fan is one of the hundreds of thousands who have been coming to their live shows for years.  Therefore, they know what to expect when they go to a DT show.  They know they will get fewer songs than they would at a show from most other bands.  The general fan is not someone who just remembers them from the 90s. 

That's all I'm saying.
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2010, 08:55:56 PM »
Yeah.  You don't have to be an "obsessed fan" to know that you get much fewer and much longer songs with DT.

And I'm pretty sure no one is going, "I remember the singles DT released in the 90s." Because there was only ONE that actually got any decent kind of radio play.  That's the difference between DT and a band like Rush.  Rush had a mainstream following.  DT has hardcore fans who stick with 'em and continue to accumulate.  Sure, a couple fans fall off the bandwagon but ultimately the majority still like 'em enough, and the ones who come on always outnumber the ones who fall off.  When your fanbase is known for sticking with you through thick and thin, you really don't need to start with nostalgia tours.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2010, 10:57:36 AM »
Yeah, if anyone got into the band with Pull Me Under back in the early nineties, but hasn't then delved deeper into their back-catalogue, they're probably not gonna buy tickets to see them 18 years down the line.

As a general rule, there are two types of people who buy Dream Theater tickets: enthusiasts, and friends of enthusiasts who've picked up a thing or two or been roped into it, and gone "hey, these guys might be cool live." Either way, their familiarity is unlikely to be restricted to Pull Me Under.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2010, 11:22:57 AM »
Yeah, if anyone got into the band with Pull Me Under back in the early nineties, but hasn't then delved deeper into their back-catalogue, they're probably not gonna buy tickets to see them 18 years down the line.

As a general rule, there are two types of people who buy Dream Theater tickets: enthusiasts, and friends of enthusiasts who've picked up a thing or two or been roped into it, and gone "hey, these guys might be cool live." Either way, their familiarity is unlikely to be restricted to Pull Me Under.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2010, 05:51:49 AM »
I'll take Scenes from a Memory and before please.
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2010, 12:45:48 PM »
Well, I guess I should approach this question systematically. What songs would I like to hear?

Learning to Live
Erotomania
Voices
A Change of Seasons
Trial of Tears
Overture 1928
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Home
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
In the Name of God
The Shattered Fortress
The Best of Times
The Count of Tuscany

So 4 from SFAM, 3 from BCSL, and 2 or less from other albums. SFAM wins.

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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2010, 07:28:22 AM »
I want to see SFAM in its entirety, like I saw I&W a couple of years ago. Maybe they'll do it as a kinda oops we're a bit late 10th anniversary thing.. or maybe I'll have to wait four years and see it on its 15th anniversary. Either way, I have to experience this before I die.
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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2010, 09:49:19 AM »
I want to see SFAM in its entirety, like I saw I&W a couple of years ago. Maybe they'll do it as a kinda oops we're a bit late 10th anniversary thing.. or maybe I'll have to wait four years and see it on its 15th anniversary. Either way, I have to experience this before I die.
Good luck, because I don't think it will ever happen again.
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Re: Next Tour - What album do you want represented more?
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2010, 10:33:03 AM »
I&W and SFAM