Author Topic: Political Compass, where are you? (Read 3758 times)

robwebster · « **Reply #70 on:** July 05, 2012, 08:17:16 AM »

Second biggest lefty on the board! Whoo 'n' that.

Always thought I was fairly moderate in the grand scheme of things. I guess, on reflection, not quite so much!

kirksnosehair · « **Reply #71 on:** July 05, 2012, 10:00:37 AM »

I've taken this one plenty of times and it always turns out pretty much the same:

ohgar · « **Reply #72 on:** July 05, 2012, 01:12:48 PM »

These tests are nothing more than propaganda by libertarians to convince everyone that they're really libertarians through convenient framing of questions and the assumption that the opposite of "libertarian" is something which sounds evil ("authoritarian").

theseoafs · « **Reply #73 on:** July 05, 2012, 01:16:11 PM »

Quote from: ohgar on July 05, 2012, 01:12:48 PM

These tests are nothing more than propaganda by libertarians to convince everyone that they're really libertarians through convenient framing of questions and the assumption that the opposite of "libertarian" is something which sounds evil ("authoritarian").

They're not, though. The opposite of libertarian is authoritarian (that's not a word they just made up), and authoritarian is something that not a lot of people are.

jsem · « **Reply #74 on:** July 05, 2012, 02:44:46 PM »

antigoon · « **Reply #75 on:** July 05, 2012, 06:58:48 PM »

Super Dude · « **Reply #76 on:** July 05, 2012, 07:05:34 PM »

Quote from: theseoafs on July 05, 2012, 01:16:11 PM

Quote from: ohgar on July 05, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
These tests are nothing more than propaganda by libertarians to convince everyone that they're really libertarians through convenient framing of questions and the assumption that the opposite of "libertarian" is something which sounds evil ("authoritarian").

They're not, though. The opposite of libertarian is authoritarian (that's not a word they just made up), and authoritarian is something that not a lot of people are.

I do agree with him though that the questions are a little skewed.

Adami · « **Reply #77 on:** July 05, 2012, 07:30:23 PM »

Who knew we had a board full of libertarians?

Guess we should just change the name of the forum to RonPaulForums.Org.

theseoafs · « **Reply #78 on:** July 05, 2012, 08:15:12 PM »

Quote from: Super Dude on July 05, 2012, 07:05:34 PM

Quote from: theseoafs on July 05, 2012, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: ohgar on July 05, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
These tests are nothing more than propaganda by libertarians to convince everyone that they're really libertarians through convenient framing of questions and the assumption that the opposite of "libertarian" is something which sounds evil ("authoritarian").

They're not, though. The opposite of libertarian is authoritarian (that's not a word they just made up), and authoritarian is something that not a lot of people are.

I do agree with him though that the questions are a little skewed.

Maybe. It's probably the case that the test was made in a non-socialist country by a non-socialist group of people. However, I also believe the vast majority of Americans do prefer capitalism (in one form or another) to authoritarianism for a number of reasons.

Rick · « **Reply #79 on:** July 06, 2012, 12:09:39 PM »

Quote from: pogoowner on February 09, 2010, 09:12:15 PM

I think this quiz is more accurate, to be honest.

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

You are a left social libertarian.
Left: 4.57, Libertarian: 4.64

yeshaberto · « **Reply #80 on:** July 06, 2012, 01:11:47 PM »

Did mine on my phone so couldn't grab graphic but i was nearly dead center in the right/top box

Super Dude · « **Reply #81 on:** July 06, 2012, 03:56:29 PM »

Quote from: theseoafs on July 05, 2012, 08:15:12 PM

Quote from: Super Dude on July 05, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: theseoafs on July 05, 2012, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: ohgar on July 05, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
These tests are nothing more than propaganda by libertarians to convince everyone that they're really libertarians through convenient framing of questions and the assumption that the opposite of "libertarian" is something which sounds evil ("authoritarian").

They're not, though. The opposite of libertarian is authoritarian (that's not a word they just made up), and authoritarian is something that not a lot of people are.

I do agree with him though that the questions are a little skewed.

Maybe. It's probably the case that the test was made in a non-socialist country by a non-socialist group of people. However, I also believe the vast majority of Americans do prefer capitalism (in one form or another) to authoritarianism for a number of reasons.

I don't think they're talking about command economics when they say authoritarian vs. libertarian. I was of the impression they were referring to governance style.

theseoafs · « **Reply #82 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:05:01 PM »

Quote from: Super Dude on July 06, 2012, 03:56:29 PM

I don't think they're talking about command economics when they say authoritarian vs. libertarian. I was of the impression they were referring to governance style.

As I understand it, the X-axis plots your social politics and the Y-axis plots your economic politics; in other words, the Y-axis is a measure of how much government you want in your economy. Naturally, I could be wrong.

jsem · « **Reply #83 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:56:37 PM »

Quote from: theseoafs on July 06, 2012, 04:05:01 PM

Quote from: Super Dude on July 06, 2012, 03:56:29 PM
I don't think they're talking about command economics when they say authoritarian vs. libertarian. I was of the impression they were referring to governance style.

As I understand it, the X-axis plots your social politics and the Y-axis plots your economic politics; in other words, the Y-axis is a measure of how much government you want in your economy. Naturally, I could be wrong.

Well, that's kind of how it's supposed to be. But in anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism there is no state yet labor is in control of the means of production, so it's not a measure of how much government.

Super Dude · « **Reply #84 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:57:22 PM »

Under anarchy I'm not sure how any one group can be in control of anything. All against all, you know.

jsem · « **Reply #85 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:10:33 PM »

Not sure if serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Super Dude · « **Reply #86 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:12:53 PM »

Definitely serious. Anarchy is the absence of government, correct? If there is an absence of government, I'm not sure how anyone can declare control over anything, except where they take it.

jsem · « **Reply #87 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:38:43 PM »

Well, you should read this:
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/scott-of-the-insurgency-culture-collective-the-anarchist-response-to-crime

You're definitely not going to be convinced, but understanding the point of view is important. This is kind of brief.

Anarcho-capitalism is a different beast though, it's more individualistic. Some ancaps arrive at the conclusion that the state has to be abolished because of its monopoly of violence. Some arrive there for pragmatic reasons. It's also called voluntarism because the thought is a Utopian one where everything is voluntary and there's no coercion. Ancap practical theory is based on the thought that it's economically unsustainable for private institutions to be in war and that there are DRO's or private arbiters as a private court system, etc.

It's complicated, I need to read up more on it myself. Probably need to read a few books too, like this one.

To be honest, I'm not convinced myself. I'm bordering between an ancap and a minarchist.. Ethically I'm 100% behind the idea, but I have a hard time letting go of the consequentialist thoughts.

Super Dude · « **Reply #88 on:** July 06, 2012, 08:17:09 PM »

Before I go ahead and read this, let me just say that it probably goes without saying that "utopia" is a red flag for me. After all, the word really means "no place" in Greek, and not for no reason.

SystematicThought · « **Reply #89 on:** July 07, 2012, 12:32:51 AM »

I am a center-right moderate social libertarian. Pretty interesting quiz. I was middle of the road on a lot of questions

wasteland · « **Reply #90 on:** July 07, 2012, 05:26:18 AM »

Another leftie.

Scheavo · « **Reply #91 on:** July 07, 2012, 02:08:36 PM »

Seems like the fairly common place to be. Became slightly more liberal, and slightly more libertarian, since I last took it.

Really, too many of the questions have answers that are neutral/mixed

jsem · « **Reply #92 on:** July 07, 2012, 03:56:10 PM »

It's just like a certain person's view of morality, and whether certain art should be considered art necessarily has ANY effect on the social policy they would push.

senecadawg2 · « **Reply #93 on:** July 07, 2012, 11:01:11 PM »

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64

Ħ · « **Reply #94 on:** July 07, 2012, 11:37:58 PM »

Lower region, right down the middle.

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