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Complaining about Queensryche
« on: February 05, 2010, 09:23:00 AM »
Ok, so for those of you that know me, you know I'm a hardcore Queensryche fan. When I say "Queensryche" I mean the original ilneup of Geoff Tate, Chris DeGarmo, Mike Wilton, Ed Jackson, and Scott Rockenfield. Everything from the EP through Hear in the Now Frontier, and Tribe (with the exception of one song that is written and performed by a fill in guitarist). I have a site online that documents the original lineup and remembers everything about them, from all the tour dates know from them, to all the releases, magazine articles, etc. - www.anybodylistening.net. Consider it THE AUTHORITY on the original lineup of Queensryche. over the years, I amassed the largest live collection of the original lineup as well (absolutely the most live audio recordings and one of the biggest video/DVD recordings collection). So suffice it to say, I'm hardcore when it comes to the REAL Queensryche.

That said, I was still supportive of the music of the non-original QR lineups. Not as good, but some good songs that I just plain enjoyed. It wasn't the same band, and I didn't recognize it as the same band, but any music listener could listen to Q2k, Mindcrime II and American Soldier and find some good music on there, whoever is in the band, be damned. The band's idiotic manager and stupid family-affair lineups and involvement pushed me more and more toward being disgusted, angered and disappointed by the band.

But I've had it now. They've just gone too far. They did a "Cabaret-style" show using strippers, go-go dancers, etc., last night and tonight at Snoqualmie Casino, outside of Seattle.

Suffice it to say, Tate and Rockenfield's wives were "dancers" on stage. Truth be told, they both were strippers before marrying Tate and Rockenfield, btu come on now. Just COME. ON.

Any of you old school Ryche fans remember how classy the band was back in the day, with the original lineup? How intelligent, dramatic (without being melodramatic like Tate is now), and just plain cool the music was?

What the f*ck, man. Someone PLEASE, PLEASE end this band now.

Check out the "preview" of the Cabaret bullsh*t on AnybodyListening.net's forum:

https://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=1755

This is just an in-studio acoustic thing, but there are three "go-go dancers" in there too. And Miranda is Geoff Tate's daughter. Lovely. Lovely discussion of dildos as well.

We all have bands we admire and consider "our" band. For many here, I'm sure you (with compliments intended) consider Dream Theater "your" band and promote them in every way possible. Well, the original QUEENSRYCHE (the DeGarmo-led band) was MY band, and man, I am just embarrassed they let things get this far.

The Tates should be fired. Immediately. This is just pathetic. I am ready to puke when I see the YouTube vids of last nights' debut "cabaret" performance show up.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 09:32:45 AM »
That sucks. For me, Queensryche ended after Empire though. But I can related about a certain band being MY band. Surely I havent been following Iced Earth nearly as long as you have Queensryche, but I was very dedicated to the band. Unfortunately the last couple albums have been a bit lacking and Jon Schaffer has gone batty. I feel your pain.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 09:47:45 AM »
I never liked Queensryche much. Especially their post-Empire work.

Stripper shows, however, are a new low. Funny to me, but embarrassing to enthusiasts, and it all but guarantees no one takes them seriously anymore.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 09:53:58 AM »
I agree.  Whatever happened to the "thinking man's band" that was QR.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 09:56:47 AM »
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 09:59:02 AM »
I feel for you man, I wouldn't wish it upon a hardcore fan to see their bands name go down like that, I know it'd depress the hell out of me.
The fact that you openly admit to that decline is wrothy of respect, if it was my band I'd work mircales to make this seem less embaressing or more justified.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 10:01:01 AM »
I agree.  Whatever happened to the "thinking man's band" that was QR.

They always hated that moniker, but appreciated the sentiment behind it. Unfortunately, the days of the band being spoken about in those glowing terms are LONG over. Tribe had some of it, particularly with the inspired lyrics and DeGarmo's interesting stuff mixed with the other guys', but overall, that title's been dead a long time.

Metty - thanks man. What a pathetic group they have become. And honestly, while it is mostly management's fault (Susan Tate) the rest of the guys signed on to do it, so they are equally to blame. Money-grubbing morons.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 10:03:07 AM »
I fail to see how that will increase their sales :huh:

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 10:25:52 AM »
I forgot about this.

I have mixed feelings about when a band deviates from what I consider to be their ‘appropriate’ line-up. I don’t know how I feel about Pete and Roger playing the SB halftime show as ‘The Who’ since to me, The Who are Pete, Roger, John, and Keith. But if they say they are The Who, who am I to say otherwise? I know sometimes a band member will die, and the others want to continue, as a way of tribute, or because they don’t know what else to do. But it can make identifying with them as a band harder.

Re: Queensryche. Queensryche is an odd band to me. I got in to their music pretty late, but now happily own EP-HitNF. For as much as I like their music, I’ve never really been able to identify with the band, if that makes sense. Other bands I like a lot, I feel like I know, to some extent, but wouldn’t recognize any member of QR if they walked up to me, let alone do I know anything about them outside their music.


Mildly off-topic, Samsara, how did you like that casino? I went there to see Jay Mohr last year, but other than that show didn’t get to spend any time there. I’m much closer to the Tulalip so go there for my casino fix.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 10:31:07 AM »
The QUeensryche situation is a little different. DeGarmo is the one that really wrote most of the stuff. The credits bare that out, but even in the early material, where Wilton is credited more, suffice it to say, DeGarmo helped, even if he wasn't listed. DeGarmo also helped Tate with lyrics and melodies, even if DeGarmo wasn't credited, so even Tate's stuff that doesn't have DeGarmo, was influenced by DeGarmo's assistance.

That said, when he left, he really took the essence of what was Queensryche, musically and almost half lyrically, with him. So that's why to me, there is a distinct line drawn between the original lineup of the band, and anything else. DeGarmo was the primary songwriter. Without him, it's still a band, but a completely different one.

As for the casino, haven't been there personally. But I hear it's a cool place. Seattle is where my wife and I (well, the burbs) will be retiring. We spend a lot of time up there now. In the next 10 years, we'll buy our first place up there for summer getaways and then eventually sell it and move onto a house for our retirement years.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010, 10:39:48 AM »
Seattle is where my wife and I (well, the burbs) will be retiring. We spend a lot of time up there now. In the next 10 years, we'll buy our first place up there for summer getaways and then eventually sell it and move onto a house for our retirement years.

That’s probably the first ever instance of anyone using Seattle as their ‘summer getaway’  :biggrin:
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 10:46:53 AM »
That sounded fucking horrible.

I'm a casual QR fan, and up until now I was still at the point where I thought it'd be kick-ass to have another Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Queensryche co-headlining tour.

Not anymore!!!

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 10:47:11 AM »
I feel Samsara's pain.  This has been a long-standing topic of discussion between us, and we both pretty much agree that the band has become a caricature.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 10:47:33 AM »
See, I don't get stuff like that. Yes, we all like naked ladies, hooray 'n' that, but it's very seedy and tacky to plop them all over the place. There's a time and a place - I'm not gonna have a wank watching Queensryche! Last thing I'm gonna want to do. As if we need sexual gratification all the time?

It just seems a bit insecure and patronising. "Hurr, check it out, we're blokes! Eh, bit of boob? Nice bit of boob!? Feast your eyes! Cause we're blokes!" It's just embarrassing.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 10:59:12 AM »
After watching these two 30 second clips (Lady Jane and The Thin Line) I'm done. First has a ballerina dancer, the second has uh...sluts. With a fan that is on stage with them, "hording" the whores.

30 second YouTube clip of them doing Lady Jane last night... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqteOg3rFDE

and The Thin Line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkuj4Kr7j7w

I'm done.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 11:24:18 AM »
And I thought the marine on stage was fuckin' stupid.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 12:03:23 PM »
Man alive, I remember when this band was on the verge of becoming one of my favorites, right after they released the masterpiece that is Promised Land.  That was over 15 years ago.  However, they have sucked nothing but complete ass ever since.  Unbelievable how quickly they went down the shitter immediately after releasing what I consider their best record. Now, they are just laughable.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 12:24:59 PM »
see ? u should become a fan of dream theater. they won't go wrong never ever.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 12:41:18 PM »
Be careful.  I'm sure the same thing has been said about many bands, and it rarely holds true all the way to the end.

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 12:56:03 PM »
Be careful.  I'm sure the same thing has been said about many bands, and it rarely holds true all the way to the end.

Agreed. There are plenty of bands who've out-lived their importance, only to make mockeries of their former existence.  This is one reason why artists who die young like Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain can retain that 'mythic' status... they never get the opportunity to ruin it. 
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 02:11:03 PM »
Wow.  I had no idea things had gotten this bad.  I gave up on them a while back, but hate to see something this pathetic. 
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 03:16:43 PM »
Jesus Christ.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 03:17:28 PM »
Somehow, I doubt he'd approve either.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 03:53:25 PM »
Somehow, I doubt he'd approve either.

Maybe he'll throw in some divine intervention and end this ridiculousness? Just end the band already. Please!
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2010, 03:58:53 PM »
Drag Queens?

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2010, 04:12:25 PM »
This is sad.  They've moved into Dennis DeYoung territory.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2010, 07:08:48 PM »
Way worse than that.  DeYoung always had the theatrical side to him, and that brought the prog into Styx.  Yeah, he took it a bit too far and they kicked his ass out, but in general I'm okay with musicals and shit.

"Queensryche Cabaret" is just... wrong.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2010, 08:07:36 PM »
Wow.  I had no idea things had gotten this bad.  I gave up on them a while back, but hate to see something this pathetic.  


You've got to be shitting me.  I should listen to Mindcrime at some point in honor of the death of this once great band.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2010, 09:12:47 PM »
Man alive, I remember when this band was on the verge of becoming one of my favorites, right after they released the masterpiece that is Promised Land.  That was over 15 years ago.  However, they have sucked nothing but complete ass ever since.  Unbelievable how quickly they went down the shitter immediately after releasing what I consider their best record. Now, they are just laughable.

Ironic - I just listened to Promised Land today for the first time in ages; it is a masterpiece and my favorite album from them.  Then, I started thinking about how after that album, while HITNF was pretty good, things just got progressively worse, especially when DeGarmo left.  This is an unprecedented low, however, for what used to be such an important and influential band.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2010, 05:35:37 PM »
I love nudity and boobs but goddamn. Queensryche, you fucked up. :tdwn

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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2010, 07:16:53 PM »
I was a massive fan of QR from the first time I saw 'Queen Of the Ryche' on TV.
It was extremely sad to see a once great band turn into pale imitation of it's former self.

Promised Land, was the last real QR album for me.
After that, they slowly but surely, became a parody.

This just shows how low they have gone and become a laughing stock.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2010, 08:39:24 AM »
Sad that a once great band has gone downhill so much. I actually bought American Soldier and listened to it to support them, but now when I think about it I should have bought one of their better albums from their heydays like Promised Land or Operation Mindcrime part 1, this Cabaret thing is just so unbelivebly bad that I dont know what to say. I was thinking of expanding my discography with them by buying the records with DeGarmo still in the band from The Warning to Hear in the Now Frontier, but now I dont know if I should support the Tate's by doing that...but if DeGarmo gets money of it I think I should.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2010, 09:56:53 AM »
The only Ryche album I can get into is O:M. Everything else by them isn't that good in my opinion. Then again, I'm also extremely biased against them because of the tour they did with DT a while back.

This only further cements my dislike for them.
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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2010, 11:40:01 AM »
Not a fan and never listened to QR that much but:

this Cabaret thing is just so unbelivebly bad that I dont know what to say.

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Re: Bitching about Queensryche
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2010, 12:26:36 PM »
I've only ever listened to 4 Queensryche albums.  Operation: Mindcrime and Empire were both pretty good.  I bought Mindcrime II at a used record store for $6, and sold it back to them immediately for about $3.  Finally, after hearing (relatively) good things about American Soldier, I downloaded that.  But wasn't very impressed with it, and wound up removing it from my computer*. 

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