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Title: Nightwish...
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on December 09, 2009, 07:44:25 AM
Just discovered this band and hell... it's AWESOME.
The high pitch vocal is fine with me since I listen to DT.
It's mainly symphonic gothic metal but it still has some progressive parts.
I've only listened to the album Oceanborn, and my favorites are...

1. Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean
2. Gethsemane
3. Stargazers
4. The Riddler

Anyone knows their better songs than these? Please share.  :hat
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Space Invader on December 09, 2009, 07:47:49 AM
I love Dark Passion Play


That is all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lateralus88 on December 09, 2009, 08:00:55 AM
Tarja >>>>>>>>>>> Annette


*leaves thread*
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2009, 08:04:45 AM
I have Century Child which I really like.  I very much like the male vocalist on a few tracks. Beauty of the Beast may be my favorite song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2009, 08:35:51 AM
I got into Nightwish back when I was 13, and it was pure win then. Sure I don't listen to them much now, but they are great at what they do.

And yes, tarja >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Annette :(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2009, 09:14:22 AM
A certain forum member here thinks Oceanborn is their best work, but I will have to disagree.  To me, they were still finding their sound back then.   To me, Century Child and Once are their best ablums by far.  Both of these albums rank very highly in my overall "best of all-time" album lists.

A few live tracks:

Dark Chest of Wonders (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3sgXMnVmao&feature=related)

Slaying the Dreamer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1pdxV8KqW8&feature=related)

Phantom of the Opera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5SUSmedMm8)

Wishmaster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRwz0RoJcJE&feature=fvw)

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Nick on December 09, 2009, 09:15:44 AM
Anette >>>>>> Tarja

Which is why I only own Dark Passion Play, really good album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
And Nick starts off the day with 9 fail points.  (He got a perfect 10 on the fail meter, but since he is the only one in the thread so far who spelled Anette's name corretly, I took one away)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ReaPsTA on December 09, 2009, 09:24:15 AM
And Nick starts off the day with 9 fail points.  (He got a perfect 10 on the fail meter, but since he is the only one in the thread so far who spelled Anette's name corretly, I took one away)

I have to defend Nick here. Not just because I like Anette better as a singer, but it's when Nightwish started writing real music instead of power metal so outrageous that even Michael Romeo once said "Nightwish should tone it down a little bit, their music is just silly and over the top."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: blackngold29 on December 09, 2009, 09:28:57 AM
I think Planet Hell is the first song that I heard from them and that was pretty much all that I needed to get hooked. End of an Era DVD is fantastical.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Nick on December 09, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
And Nick starts off the day with 9 fail points.  (He got a perfect 10 on the fail meter, but since he is the only one in the thread so far who spelled Anette's name corretly, I took one away)

I have to defend Nick here. Not just because I like Anette better as a singer, but it's when Nightwish started writing real music instead of power metal so outrageous that even Michael Romeo once said "Nightwish should tone it down a little bit, their music is just silly and over the top."

:lol

Speaking of Michael Romeo...

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/romeo.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
Oh, wow, he's really slimming down lately.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Volk9 on December 09, 2009, 10:40:27 AM
While Tarja is definately a better singer technically, I think that Anette fits in with the rest of the band just fine. Plus I like their newer direction a lot more than their previous style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on December 09, 2009, 10:53:24 AM
And Nick starts off the day with 9 fail points.  (He got a perfect 10 on the fail meter, but since he is the only one in the thread so far who spelled Anette's name corretly, I took one away)
I'll second this.

...and Ghost Love Score not mentioned in the first ten posts makes me sad. :'(  I do love this group so much, but in Anette's defense Dark Passion Play turn out better than My Winter Storm.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2009, 11:15:46 AM
I don't dislike Anette.  I just don't find anything unique or special about her voice or vocal abilities.  But in all fairness, she joined after all the material for Dark Passion Play had already been written.  Granted, Tuomas will always dominate the writing process, so she will likely still have limited input going forward.  But I am anxious to see what they come up with on the next album knowing that it will be written for her voice and style.  I am expecting that she will be able to shine more on the next album.  Plus, on this last album and tour, it just felt to me like it was more about Tarja not being in the band than about Anette being in the band, whether it was all the Tarja/Marcelo bashing in the lyrics on DPP or Anette trying to sing the Tarja material live.  Now that, hopefully, the band have had ample time to move on, the next album can focus on where Nightwish is as a band now.

And, yes, Ghost Love Score is a fantastic song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on December 09, 2009, 11:18:10 AM
Tarja >>>>>>>>>>> Annette


*leaves thread*
Both are great in their own way. I feel Annette's vocal style suits the music slightly better, but Tarja had more character.

Century Child, Once and Dark Passion Play are all very good albums. The rest are ok but I don't find them that interesting really.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on December 09, 2009, 11:22:33 AM
Wait, I can see Oceanborn and Wishmaster as excessively Power Metal-ish, but wouldn’t think of Century Child and Once that way. I like all their Tarja-albums fairly equally, but like Bosk1 prefer CC and Once, as they do sound more complete and well-rounded (I hate being non-musical and unable to describe my thoughts better).

I like Anette’s voice well enough, and she does a great job on songs like ‘Amaranth’, but overall I feel DPP is a little too heavy, and I don’t like Marco’s vocals like I do on earlier albums. He provided such a nice counterpoint to Tarja, (listen to ‘Wish I had an Angel’).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gorille85 on December 09, 2009, 11:37:42 AM
From what I understand, Tarja was more interested in the money stuff and she just shows up in the studio for recording her vocals (without getting involve in the writing process, not even with the lyrics). People tend to think that Nightwish was Tarja's band but like bosk pointed out; Tuomas is the creative force of this band. However, Tarja is definetly a more talented singer IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yeshaberto on December 09, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
Dark Passion Play is awesome!  I have a lot of the older stuff, but it is hit and miss for me because of the vocals
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Basekick on December 09, 2009, 01:18:47 PM
Ha, Nightwish...

The only reason I know em is because of ytmnd.com.  You see, they had a meme of "EPIC" sites, and the theme for them was the breakdown in Ghost Love Score.  Here's an example:

https://epicgeordi.ytmnd.com/

Cool band, I'm not a huge fan, but they definitely have their moments of awesomeness.  The chorus of Romanticide is one of them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2009, 02:39:28 PM
Anette is just a good, standard pop singer, while Tarja had one hell of a voice.

And that whole "she's in it for the money" thing was always eyebrow raising for me, hell, Tarja denied it, and when Tuomas almost quit the band she was really supportive to him (they were school mates)... I dunno the whole incident seemed to be a big shame.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2009, 03:07:02 PM
I read up a lot on what happened, since I was just discoverying the band just after they parted ways.  I read just about everything the band, Tarja, and even Marcelo had to say on the subject.  My take on it is that the relationship deteriorated as a result of the band, Tarja, Marcelo, and management, who seems to have actively fanned the flames.  There is plenty of blame to be shared by all.  When you get to the place where the band's existence is threatened, Tuomas simply cannot deal with either Tarja or Marcelo on the most basic of decisions, Tarja and Marcelo feel as though their marriage is threatened, Tarja has announced that she is only staying on for one more album after that one and leaving anyway, and management is fanning the flames, I just can't see how you don't have to part ways at that point in time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 09, 2009, 04:34:37 PM
From what I understand, Tarja was more interested in the money stuff and she just shows up in the studio for recording her vocals (without getting involve in the writing process, not even with the lyrics).

I don't know about just in it for the money, but even on her solo album most of the songs were written by others.  That doesn't diminish her vocal talent though; her version of Alice Cooper's song "Poison" is awesome, it almost feels as if the song should be sung by a woman.

If you like Oceanborne, try Century Child next, or if you might want to consider getting the DVD "From Wishes to Eternity"
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2009, 04:37:00 PM
...you might want to consider getting the DVD "From Wishes to Eternity"

Only if they are sold out of End of an Era and you can't find the Lowlands 2005 bootleg.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on December 09, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
If you liked Oceanborn, you definitely need to hear Once, Wishmaster, and Dark Passion Play.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2009, 05:38:30 PM
If you liked Oceanborn, you definitely need to hear Once, Wishmaster, and Dark Passion Play.

So what, everything but the debut? :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on December 09, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
No, I also didn't mention Century Child, mostly because I haven't heard either of those albums :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 09, 2009, 07:09:54 PM
I agree with bosk about the band being at it's best during Once... I really dislike Oceanborn.  DPP is pretty good, though. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 09, 2009, 07:11:28 PM
Ghost Love Score is my favorite Nightwish song. So beautifully epic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on December 09, 2009, 07:57:25 PM
Ghost Love Score is my favorite Nightwish song. So beautifully epic.

That song is indeed incredible.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 09, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
...you might want to consider getting the DVD "From Wishes to Eternity"

Only if they are sold out of End of an Era and you can't find the Lowlands 2005 bootleg.  :biggrin:

I'll have to take your word on End of an Era being better, I really dodn't feel the need to get another Nightwish DVD, one seemed like enough for a band that while I enjoy, I don't listen to that often in the whole scheme of things.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Sintheros on December 10, 2009, 02:13:39 AM
The cover of High Hopes from End of an Era is infuckingcredible.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
...you might want to consider getting the DVD "From Wishes to Eternity"

Only if they are sold out of End of an Era and you can't find the Lowlands 2005 bootleg.  :biggrin:

I'll have to take your word on End of an Era being better, I really dodn't feel the need to get another Nightwish DVD, one seemed like enough for a band that while I enjoy, I don't listen to that often in the whole scheme of things.

Yeah, I mean if you don't listen to them much, don't bother.  But if you like them, it is a very good performance (despite Tarja being a little bit off the first couple of songs; she and Marco were apparently very ill and both had lost their voices before the show), has an awesome song selection, and is just an epic concert.  And knowing after the fact that Tarja was being handed her walking papers backstage after the show, the outro credits and the words up on screen just give me the chills.


The cover of High Hopes from End of an Era is infuckingcredible.

I have to say, they've done a fair amount of covers from a pretty diverse selection of music, and without fail, they have ALL been excellent.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on December 10, 2009, 01:28:54 PM
Yeah, I mean if you don't listen to them much, don't bother.  But if you like them, it is a very good performance (despite Tarja being a little bit off the first couple of songs; she and Marco were apparently very ill and both had lost their voices before the show), has an awesome song selection, and is just an epic concert.  And knowing after the fact that Tarja was being handed her walking papers backstage after the show, the outro credits and the words up on screen just give me the chills.

As great as the show is, with solid performances and an awesome setlist, it isn’t one of my favorite concerts in terms of the visual presentation. I can’t put my finger on why though. And yes, when the band took their bows, I thought ‘whoa, this was literally the last day these 5 would exist as Nightwish, and only 4 of them are aware of it!’

The cover of High Hopes from End of an Era is infuckingcredible.

I have to say, they've done a fair amount of covers from a pretty diverse selection of music, and without fail, they have ALL been excellent.

I love ‘High Hopes’ (I listed it as #1 in my PF Top 20) and like what they did with the song. Faithful recreations usually bore me, I like when a band puts their own stamp on a song while not totally bastardizing it. Curiously no other covers are coming to my mind(?)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2009, 01:37:21 PM
Curiously no other covers are coming to my mind(?)

Really?  There are two others on End of an Era alone:

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber
Over the Hills and Far Away:  Gary Moore

I don't recall whether any of their others are on official releases, but I know they've done a few more, such as Megadeth's Symphony of Destruction (with Marco doing all the lead vocals).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on December 10, 2009, 01:48:12 PM
Curiously no other covers are coming to my mind(?)

Really?  There are two others on End of an Era alone:

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber
Over the Hills and Far Away:  Gary Moore

I don't recall whether any of their others are on official releases, but I know they've done a few more, such as Megadeth's Symphony of Destruction (with Marco doing all the lead vocals).

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber :facepalm: I actually hate that musical so I pretend it doesn’t exist and NW wrote that song.  :biggrin:   
Over the Hills and Far Away:  Gary Moore – I never knew that was a cover. Double- :facepalm:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on December 10, 2009, 01:53:11 PM
Nightwish's version of Phantom is vastly superior to the original. I mean, it's a nice show and has a few really good bits, and the ideas behind the song are so brilliant, but the instrumentation always sounds tame. Whereas Nightwish took the ideas and gave them life.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Phantom was the song that actually really hooked me on them.  I've always really liked Webber's version and thought it would be amazing if somebody could ever redo it by just making it more metal, but otherwise staying true to the original.  I saw Nightwish's cover from the 2005 Lowlands show, and it blew me away.  I would have bought Century Child for that song alone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on December 10, 2009, 02:21:04 PM
I would have bought Century Child for that song alone.
I did in fact do exactly that.

And I was not disappointed :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 12, 2009, 04:51:49 PM
Ah now here's a band that has been close to my heart for some 12 years.
A friend of mine from Finland got me into them, when the first album came, who would later author the Nightwish Biography.

I don't think they have ever made a dud, some albums I enjoy more than other, but for most they have been pretty
consistant throughout their career so far. Given that Tuomas is the sole songwriter for most, that is a pretty good record.

Oceanborn is my favourite album, I played it to death when it came out, at the time I was at sea in the Navy and helped me get through some frustrating times. But Once is their best worst to date, has two all time greats in, Creek Mary's Blood and Ghost Love Score.

Marco has brought a lot to the band, a great frontman, bass player and singer, in his own band, Tarot, for more than 20 years.
He took charge of the stage and took the spotlight away from Tarja's lacking presence in front of a crowd.
His bass playing also added to the Nightwish sound, giving things a real heavy bottom end for the first time.

The whole Tarja thing has been well discussed, all I will say is, that, without Marcello, her manager and husband, she would probably still be singing for Nightwish. Anette, is a great person, sings well live and has fitted in pretty good. I've seen her twice, her voice wasn't suited to a couple of the older songs. But she is a lot of fun on stage and has made the band more relaxed and they are enjoying themselves again.

Dark Passion Play, is a great album, better than I had expected. Yes it will be interesting to hear songs composed specifically for Anette's voice, on a new album that might come out towards the end of next year.

A couple of other Nightwish related bands worth checking out;
Tarot, Marco's band of many years,  the recent double live CD/DVD, 'Live Undead', is well worth checking out.
Brother Firetribe, Emmpu's back to the 1980's melodic rock/AOR trip.
For My Pain, Tuomas plays keys and I think writes a couple of songs, dark goth rock.

Live DVD's, 2 official full concerts, the aformentioned End Of An Era (Iwas at the show, one of the best I have ever seen).
From Wishes To Eternity, a good snapshot of the 'old' band, with bass player Sami.
There's a few good bootlegs, mainly shot for European TV, not full shows, but good enough to release officially.

My favourite cover song is, 'Crimson Tide/Deep Blue Sea'.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: faemir on December 12, 2009, 05:40:05 PM
End Of An Era's Ghost Love Score = win :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 12, 2009, 05:52:59 PM
^^ Yup, but my fave version is the orchestral instrumental version, simply beautiful.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Valdor on December 13, 2009, 02:12:08 AM
Nightwish was the first metal band I got in to. They truly changed my life!  :hefdaddy

As for the whole Tarja - Anette debate, I think they're both great at what they do. And IMO Tuomas is the real soul of the band, so as long as he stays Nightwish will be as great as ever!
My favourite albums have to be the latest 3. And yes, Ghost Love Score is the definition of epic.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on December 13, 2009, 10:37:12 AM
I too think Oceanborn is their best. It's definitely not as richly symphonic as the later ones, but the songs and melodies were very catchy, even if the album did have a bit more of a straightforward power metal feel to it.

Edit:

I don't think "power metal" is necessarily a right label. But you know what I mean...The album definitely is a bit more upbeat and 'synthy' sounding for the most part.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: faemir on December 13, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
Century Child > Once > Wishmaster > Oceanborn > Angels Fall First
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on December 14, 2009, 10:15:12 AM
I guess I'm in the minority in thinking Wishmaster is one of their two best albums, along with Once.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on August 13, 2010, 10:58:21 AM
I like Anette’s voice well enough, and she does a great job on songs like ‘Amaranth’, but overall I feel DPP is a little too heavy, and I don’t like Marco’s vocals like I do on earlier albums. He provided such a nice counterpoint to Tarja, (listen to ‘Wish I had an Angel’).

Ok, I am going to pretend someone hijacked my account on Dec 09 to post such an idiodic comment. WTF? Marco kicks ass on DPP, which I just picked up recently, just as he always does. And 'too heavy'? Not sure what kind of a mood I was in when I wrote that. Anyway, DPP is a good album. Am looking forward to their next release.. whenever exactly that may be...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on August 13, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Curiously no other covers are coming to my mind(?)

Really?  There are two others on End of an Era alone:

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber
Over the Hills and Far Away:  Gary Moore

I don't recall whether any of their others are on official releases, but I know they've done a few more, such as Megadeth's Symphony of Destruction (with Marco doing all the lead vocals).

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber :facepalm: I actually hate that musical so I pretend it doesn’t exist and NW wrote that song.  :biggrin:   


 :sadpanda:


If you're going by the 2004 movie I whole-heartedly support you because they ruined the story/singing/etc, but if you haven't seen the broadway live I implore you to do so.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on August 13, 2010, 11:27:53 AM
Phantom was the song that actually really hooked me on them.  I've always really liked Webber's version and thought it would be amazing if somebody could ever redo it by just making it more metal, but otherwise staying true to the original.  I saw Nightwish's cover from the 2005 Lowlands show, and it blew me away.  I would have bought Century Child for that song alone.

Exactly this. I love the broadway version, but Nightwish made it so much better. I think her vocals at the end are phantastic and I love the way they presented it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 13, 2010, 11:33:28 AM
Phantom of the Opera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5SUSmedMm8)

Goodness me, that raised the hair on my arms.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on August 13, 2010, 11:37:04 AM
Curiously no other covers are coming to my mind(?)

Really?  There are two others on End of an Era alone:

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber
Over the Hills and Far Away:  Gary Moore

I don't recall whether any of their others are on official releases, but I know they've done a few more, such as Megadeth's Symphony of Destruction (with Marco doing all the lead vocals).

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber :facepalm: I actually hate that musical so I pretend it doesn’t exist and NW wrote that song.  :biggrin:   


 :sadpanda:


If you're going by the 2004 movie I whole-heartedly support you because they ruined the story/singing/etc, but if you haven't seen the broadway live I implore you to do so.
On the whole I actually liked the film version, the orchestrations sounded great, and MOST of the singing was good, although a couple of the smaller parts were pretty weak. Like wtf was Jennifer Ellison doing in it other than looking hot? My two big issues with it though were:
- The Phantom himself. Gerard Butler played the part really well, but he just did not look disfigured enough. He just looked like he had a minor burn on his face, which makes the whole story very silly.
- The title song. Like I said, most of the orchestrations sound great as most of the music is more classical in nature, but the title song is meant to be a big, dramatic rock number, and in the film it just sounds pathetic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 13, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
I'll say that while Tarja's a WAY better singer than Anette (though she is still quite talented), I actually like their more recent musical direction more than their older sound, which was still awesome.  The albums from Oceanborn through Dark Passion Play are all awesome, in my opinion.

I love the greater vocal involvement of Marco in DPP.  His vocals blend well with Anette's.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 13, 2010, 12:06:12 PM
Phantom of the Opera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5SUSmedMm8)

Goodness me, that raised the hair on my arms.

I wish the Lowlands 2005 version was still up on YouTube.  As good as the End of An Era version was, the Lowlands 2005 version slays it, hands down.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on August 13, 2010, 12:28:53 PM
Curiously no other covers are coming to my mind(?)

Really?  There are two others on End of an Era alone:

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber
Over the Hills and Far Away:  Gary Moore

I don't recall whether any of their others are on official releases, but I know they've done a few more, such as Megadeth's Symphony of Destruction (with Marco doing all the lead vocals).

Phantom of the Opera:  Andrew Lloyd Webber :facepalm: I actually hate that musical so I pretend it doesn’t exist and NW wrote that song.  :biggrin:   


 :sadpanda:


If you're going by the 2004 movie I whole-heartedly support you because they ruined the story/singing/etc, but if you haven't seen the broadway live I implore you to do so.
On the whole I actually liked the film version, the orchestrations sounded great, and MOST of the singing was good, although a couple of the smaller parts were pretty weak. Like wtf was Jennifer Ellison doing in it other than looking hot? My two big issues with it though were:
- The Phantom himself. Gerard Butler played the part really well, but he just did not look disfigured enough. He just looked like he had a minor burn on his face, which makes the whole story very silly.
- The title song. Like I said, most of the orchestrations sound great as most of the music is more classical in nature, but the title song is meant to be a big, dramatic rock number, and in the film it just sounds pathetic.

Has motivated me to make a thread.  ;)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Volk9 on August 13, 2010, 04:10:36 PM
I'm suprised you didnt when you first signed up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 13, 2010, 05:38:10 PM
Phantom of the Opera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5SUSmedMm8)

Goodness me, that raised the hair on my arms.

I wish the Lowlands 2005 version was still up on YouTube.  As good as the End of An Era version was, the Lowlands 2005 version slays it, hands down.

Dangit. :sadpanda: This song was also the one that hooked me (along with Moondance and Beauty and the Beast).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
I only have Once and Dark Passion Play.

Once is really a fantastic album, Dark Passion Play nearly made me vomit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 13, 2010, 08:15:57 PM
??? Why?  It's not THAT different, other than the singer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on August 14, 2010, 02:54:28 AM
??? Why?  It's not THAT different, other than the singer.
Yeah, overall the style is basically the same. ???
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2010, 05:20:37 AM
Dunno, I found the songs on Once really interesting.  It also had an amazing atmosphere, and so many highlights.

Dark Passion I just found generic, and boring.  Amaranth was a decent song but nothing out stood out.

I just think Once had something special, but Dark Passion Play just didn't really click.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 14, 2010, 07:47:45 AM
You find songs like Poet and the Pendulum, Sahara, or 7 Days to the Wolves boring?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2010, 07:53:48 AM
You find songs like Poet and the Pendulum, Sahara, or 7 Days to the Wolves boring?

As I say, they never really did anything for me.

Maybe I'll revisit it and give it another spin.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 09:26:21 PM
Bump, Nightwish Survivor for Wishmaster is up now. Everyone go vote.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2010, 10:09:41 PM
I guess I'm in the minority in thinking Wishmaster is one of their two best albums, along with Once.

Exactly what I think.

Once > Wishmaster > Century Child > Dark Passion Play > Oceanborn > Angels Fall First
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 19, 2010, 10:20:14 PM
It's clearly Oceanborn>whatever else they did minus Angels Fall First>Angels Fall First.
Title: Re: Came for the Planet Hell, stayed for the Phantom of the Opera
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 20, 2010, 01:00:22 AM
I would have bought Century Child for that song alone.
I did in fact do exactly that.

And I was not disappointed :tup

Same here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soundgarden on August 20, 2010, 07:19:41 AM
Anyone ever feel like getting up and boogy down to Moondance? just me?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zydar on August 20, 2010, 07:48:10 AM
Moondance is a great song. But I never boogie down. Or up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 20, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
Enjoyed a listen to Oceanborn and Moondance in the car today.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on August 21, 2010, 02:41:26 AM
I have Century Child which I really like.  I very much like the male vocalist on a few tracks. Beauty of the Beast may be my favorite song.

This  :metal Favorite song of all time from them, hands down
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on August 21, 2010, 04:48:24 AM
Beauty of the Beast really is an excellent song, definitely one of their best. :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on August 22, 2010, 11:58:26 AM
Nightwish's version of Phantom is vastly superior to the original. I mean, it's a nice show and has a few really good bits, and the ideas behind the song are so brilliant, but the instrumentation always sounds tame. Whereas Nightwish took the ideas and gave them life.

I Concur. I think Nightwish's version gives more depth and dark overtones than the orchestra could deliver, but this is what happens when orchestra music is performed by metal instruments.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2010, 01:34:25 PM
To the folks on page 1 debating over the 2 frontwomen: I have no favorite, I like them both equally.

Tarja's voice is a cold stream voice that sends chills down your spine. VERY NICCEE!!!

Anette's voice is warm and storytelling. GREAT SUCCESS!!!

Tarja was a superb frontwoman and practically gave them their image, status and signature sound. As for Anette, i indeed see a bright future for her with the band, she'll do great things as well!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on August 31, 2010, 06:56:21 PM
Anette needs to dye her hair black again. It looks so much better that way.

Compare:

(https://www.therockblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/promo-anette.jpg)

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/anette2.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: sonatafanica on August 31, 2010, 06:58:20 PM
GREAT SUCCESS!!!

I AM PUTTING THIS PHRASE IN ONE OF MY COMICS
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2010, 07:03:16 PM
Anette needs to dye her hair black again. It looks so much better that way.

Whoa!  When did she change it?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on August 31, 2010, 07:06:02 PM
I want to say it's been blond for over a year now, but I'm not entirely sure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2010, 07:07:41 PM
I don't dislike it.  I'm just surprised.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on August 31, 2010, 07:10:31 PM
Personally, I hate it. :lol Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and in my eye, blond makes her look trashy and black makes her look elegant.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2010, 07:12:25 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and in my eye, blond makes her look hot and black makes her look hot also.

That's pretty much my dilemma as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on August 31, 2010, 07:18:10 PM
Haha, whatever floats your boat Bosky.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on August 31, 2010, 07:36:14 PM


(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/anette2.jpg)

(https://www.celebrityclubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sort_of_want.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2010, 12:11:10 AM
So, the Nightwish survivor is going kind of lame so far. I'm hoping it's because they're earlier albums.

How many people are still interested in enough for a Century Child survivor?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Arcaeus on September 01, 2010, 12:12:50 AM
Me. I haven't heard anything before Century Child.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 01, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET IT GO TO CENTURY CHILD!!!!!

I didn't wait this long for it to be cancelled.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2010, 12:20:48 AM
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET IT GO TO CENTURY CHILD!!!!!

I didn't wait this long for it to be cancelled.

lol well that's at least two voters, almost four times what I have now. So Century Child will start tomorrow some time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2010, 08:15:24 AM
I'll be involved as well, but I may need some reminders because I almost never got to P/S.  Sorry for not participating in the earlier rounds.  I could have done Wishmaster and Oceanborn.  But the problem is, I'm not as familiar with those albums, and my CD's were still packed in boxes after the move until just this last Saturday, so I couldn't listen to them.  It's probably not worth a re-do, but if you did re-do those survivors, I would participate now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 02, 2010, 08:31:54 PM
Century Child survivor is up.

God damnit people, 7 voters per round is getting depressing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 03, 2010, 02:54:46 AM
Century Child survivor is up.

God damnit people, 7 voters per round is getting depressing.

Advertising wouldn't be a bad idea, maybe at the bottom of the replies could work.
Then again, how many people are Nightwish fans here?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2010, 11:24:59 PM
OH MY GOD EVERYONE HUGE NIGHTWISH NEWS!


TARJA SAID SHE WOULD REJOIN THE BAND IF YOU ALL GO VOTE IN MY CURRENT NIGHTWISH SURVIVOR!!!!!!


GO VOTE IN IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 14, 2010, 11:35:54 PM
Personally, I hate it. :lol Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and in my eye, blond makes her look trashy and black makes her look elegant.

Black makes her look like Tarja's cuter replacement who just can't pull off a decent live show. Blond makes her look like someone who doesn't fit in singing songs that are beyond her range.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on October 15, 2010, 12:46:33 AM
Sooo....which of those is preferable?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 15, 2010, 12:48:19 AM
I'd say the black hair. I mean, at least with the black hair she looks metal, even if she sounds bad live. With the blond hair, she just kinda sticks out. Speaking of, anyone get Tarja's new album?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on October 15, 2010, 01:08:01 AM
OH MY GOD EVERYONE HUGE NIGHTWISH NEWS!


TARJA SAID SHE WOULD REJOIN THE BAND IF YOU ALL GO VOTE IN MY CURRENT NIGHTWISH SURVIVOR!!!!!!


GO VOTE IN IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET IT BE SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jsem on October 15, 2010, 03:06:28 PM
End of an Era = epicness.

Even if Tuomas probably was right in kicking Tarja, Anette was hardly the best replacement... she kills (in a bad way) songs like The Siren live... But as long as Tuomas composes it'll be allright, and I enjoyed Dark Passion Play - it was a great album (not nearly as good as Once though)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 15, 2010, 07:21:16 PM
Hell yeah that version of The Siren is miles better than the studio
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 16, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
Speaking of, anyone get Tarja's new album?

No one?? I came here to find out others' opinions as well. Not sure if it was worthy of its own thread. Sounds pretty good from the samples I've heard.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2010, 12:42:17 PM
Yes, I have Tarjas new album.

It's not nearly as good as her debut. The song writing is a bit less focused, and the mix is worse and her voice is sometimes WAY too over the top for what she's singing over. That said, there are some really amazing moments, but it's not very memorable in the end. Her debut is amazing though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Summers on October 16, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
I preferred it to her debut.  Seems to me like she has found her footing now, I wasn't that fussed on her debut but there are a lot of songs I really like on this one.  Some even sound as if they could be Nightwish, only thing I have a problem with is her lyrics which seem pretty crap in parts. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2010, 01:03:57 PM
I preferred it to her debut.  Seems to me like she has found her footing now, I wasn't that fussed on her debut but there are a lot of songs I really like on this one.  Some even sound as if they could be Nightwish, only thing I have a problem with is her lyrics which seem pretty crap in parts. 

Really? It just seemed all over the place and without any kind of lasting power. And come on, there are some songs where her over pronounciation is REALLY noticable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 16, 2010, 03:41:33 PM
I'm holding both Tarja's albums in my hand. Are they worth the buy? The debut is used for 7.99 and the other is the deluxe for 15.99.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 16, 2010, 05:57:29 PM
Nevermind. I didn't buy either. I did find a used copy of Superior's Younique though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lateralus88 on October 17, 2010, 04:02:23 PM
I did find a used copy of Superior's Younique though.
:tup :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bloop on October 18, 2010, 07:19:33 PM
Century Child > Oceanborn > Wishmaster > Once > Angels Fall First                               >Dark Passion Play
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on October 18, 2010, 07:31:41 PM
Century Child > Oceanborn > Wishmaster > Once > Angels Fall First                               >Dark Passion Play

I like you. You can sit here next to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 21, 2010, 09:28:47 AM
What the fuck is with all the hate for DPP? It's my favorite album of them by far.......
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 21, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
It isn't obvious that a new singer, with a notably different style to boot, might put off some fans towards an album?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Volk9 on October 21, 2010, 12:42:16 PM
DPP is the one album by them I listen to the most probably.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 21, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
The Islander and The Last Of The Wilds are what make DPP for me
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 21, 2010, 03:47:08 PM
The Islander and The Last Of The Wilds are what make DPP for me

You must not be a big nightwish fan. Either that or you're not a big Anette fan.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 22, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
ok, so what if Tarja sang on DPP, would everyone love it? No matter WHO sang on the album, it would still be my favorite. IMO, it's musically superior, and the most powerful in every aspect.

Which brings me to my next point, and forgive me if I'm out of line: Fuck the whole "Tarja vs. Anette" debate. Nightwish is Nightwish. Like MP and DT, Tarja has moved on and people need to accept it. I love both singers equally.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, it's just how I feel on the subject.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
I've actually grown quite tired of Tarja. After her new album, and seeing some recent live clips, she has really lost alot of the control she used to have.

That said, Anette sounds great on the album, but HORRIBLE live. SO horrible in fact that it's hard to look forward to new nightwish.


Tarja would sound terrible on a good number of songs from DPP, save for songs like Eva and such. Anette fits it much better. And I like DPP, I just feel it lacks the heart that they used to have.

It seems they found a routine/formula are just sticking with it for now. I can only hope they change things up on the next CD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 22, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
The Islander and The Last Of The Wilds are what make DPP for me

You must not be a big nightwish fan. Either that or you're not a big Anette fan.

I am, those are my favorites on that album. And I like Anette's vocals on some songs, even the old ones I prefer her vocals over Tarja's, just the way she phrases some parts. My favorite Nightwish song is The Siren, which is way better on End of an Era. Century Child is my fav. album of theirs, so many great songs on it.

Which brings me to my next point, and forgive me if I'm out of line: Fuck the whole "Tarja vs. Anette" debate. Nightwish is Nightwish. Like MP and DT, Tarja has moved on and people need to accept it. I love both singers equally.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, it's just how I feel on the subject.

Why not make a poster or something. Because its fans outside of DTF that can't seem to get off of her nuts. I just ignore it. If I were Nightiwish, just to mess with the fans, should play all of DPP and no Tarja stuff, then those same fans would say, why didn't they play older songs blah blah blah whine whine whine.

off topic: Yup, most bands should never listen to fans who expect something in return. Which is what Never Enough's lyrics are about, those ungrateful fans who suck your blood dry until you just say enough. No more of this band I quit. Which is what they want. So it's good to ignore everyone, make the album you want. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 25, 2010, 07:58:34 AM
The Islander and The Last Of The Wilds are what make DPP for me

You must not be a big nightwish fan. Either that or you're not a big Anette fan.

I am, those are my favorites on that album. And I like Anette's vocals on some songs, even the old ones I prefer her vocals over Tarja's, just the way she phrases some parts. My favorite Nightwish song is The Siren, which is way better on End of an Era. Century Child is my fav. album of theirs, so many great songs on it.

Which brings me to my next point, and forgive me if I'm out of line: Fuck the whole "Tarja vs. Anette" debate. Nightwish is Nightwish. Like MP and DT, Tarja has moved on and people need to accept it. I love both singers equally.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, it's just how I feel on the subject.

Why not make a poster or something. Because its fans outside of DTF that can't seem to get off of her nuts. I just ignore it. If I were Nightiwish, just to mess with the fans, should play all of DPP and no Tarja stuff, then those same fans would say, why didn't they play older songs blah blah blah whine whine whine.

off topic: Yup, most bands should never listen to fans who expect something in return. Which is what Never Enough's lyrics are about, those ungrateful fans who suck your blood dry until you just say enough. No more of this band I quit. Which is what they want. So it's good to ignore everyone, make the album you want. 

Well said, man. I'm not taking any sides, but I agree with you there. Make what you want to make.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on November 20, 2010, 05:02:24 PM
I LOVE Tarja in some songs much more (Phantom  :heart) but Anette is incredible too. I try not to compare them, but just enjoy their music individually.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jsem on November 20, 2010, 05:07:23 PM
DPP is a great album, but the band was better with Tarja. Once > DPP
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 21, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
The next album will surely surpass DPP in terms of vocals since they'll have Annettes voice in mind.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2010, 12:09:24 AM
The next album will surely surpass DPP in terms of vocals since they'll have Annettes voice in mind.


I don't see why. I don't think he considers anyones voice when he writes.


Especially considering that Marco seems to Demo most of the vocals these days anyway.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 21, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
The next album will surely surpass DPP in terms of vocals since they'll have Annettes voice in mind.


I don't see why. I don't think he considers anyones voice when he writes.


Especially considering that Marco seems to Demo most of the vocals these days anyway.

Anette did all of the demos for this one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2010, 06:00:42 PM
The new CD?

Marco demoed everything. And then anette did.


Not sure why.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 26, 2010, 11:58:15 PM
I think Marco had to since Anette was busy with her newborn. It makes sense that way.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 27, 2010, 02:40:49 AM
Tarja's solo stuff is really good. I almost don't care about Nightwish anymore.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on November 27, 2010, 08:48:39 AM
Dead Boy's Poem...

 :'(  So awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on November 28, 2010, 02:29:21 AM
DPP is the one album by them I listen to the most probably.

This.


adami
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 28, 2010, 03:30:01 PM
Wishmaster is the best them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on November 29, 2010, 09:03:32 AM
Wishmaster is the best them.

 :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on November 29, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
I think I've asked this question before (it may have been in this thread) but what's up with the horrible sound quality of Over the Hills and Far Away? Is the music video just poor quality or is the song really that compressed? It sounds terrible and ruins an otherwise great song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bloop on November 29, 2010, 06:53:04 PM
I think I've asked this question before (it may have been in this thread) but what's up with the horrible sound quality of Over the Hills and Far Away? Is the music video just poor quality or is the song really that compressed? It sounds terrible and ruins an otherwise great song.
I think its just the audio quality of it on Youtube (if that's what you're referring to). The album version sounds perfectly clear.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Rina on November 29, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I think I've asked this question before (it may have been in this thread) but what's up with the horrible sound quality of Over the Hills and Far Away? Is the music video just poor quality or is the song really that compressed? It sounds terrible and ruins an otherwise great song.
I think its just the audio quality of it on Youtube (if that's what you're referring to). The album version sounds perfectly clear.

Yeah, which version are you listening to?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on November 29, 2010, 10:43:24 PM
This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UztEfwHt14)

Sounds like shit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2010, 10:45:51 PM
This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UztEfwHt14)

Sounds like shit.

Oh good god it does. I honestly can't remember what the cd sounds like since I haven't listened to it in forever, but I doubt it was that bad.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 10, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
The new album is called "Imaginarium" and since it's a concept album, they will be making it into a movie to be released next year.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on March 13, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
Bump!!!

Decided to listen to Dark Passion Play and Once as soon as possible. Should be cool. I always liked this style of metal but never really tried to get into it. And yeah...I am aware of the different chicks. From what I have heard from both styles, I dig the newer one more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Summers on March 13, 2011, 04:07:06 PM
Bump!!!

Decided to listen to Dark Passion Play and Once as soon as possible. Should be cool. I always liked this style of metal but never really tried to get into it. And yeah...I am aware of the different chicks. From what I have heard from both styles, I dig the newer one more.

Welcome to symphonic metal... the best metal  :metal

Check out Epica as well.  Heavier than Nightwish and a different style.  I got into symphonic metal through Nightwish first of all, took me a long time to get into other bands because I was a bit put off before by growled vocals, but now Epica are probably my favourite. 

Looking forward to Imaginarium, been a long time coming though...  and now Tuomas has said it will probably be early 2012.  5 years, very long album gap.  It better be bloody good! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mr. Beale on March 13, 2011, 04:20:11 PM
I'll second Epica too. Good stuff, especially their last album. DDP and Once are both very good but my favorite is still Oceanborn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2011, 05:51:03 PM
I will third Epica, but the growls took awhile to get into, however thier music and Simone are just too good to not listen to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 13, 2011, 06:20:32 PM
Epica was hit and miss with me, but then I gave "The Divine Conspiracy" more attention. Now I want to pick up Consign to Oblivion and Design Your Universe.

Bump!!!

Decided to listen to Dark Passion Play and Once as soon as possible. Should be cool. I always liked this style of metal but never really tried to get into it. And yeah...I am aware of the different chicks. From what I have heard from both styles, I dig the newer one more.

Thank God! More love for Anette.


And I recommend Within Temptation. Their later stuff is more symphonic, but the their total discography is grand.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2011, 08:24:20 PM
I forgot what Within Temptations first CD sounded like, but their second CD is way more symphonic than anything else they have done.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 14, 2011, 01:13:41 AM
^Enter was more gothic and experimental than anything else they've done. Mother Earth was their breakthrough and rightly so they would have symphonies up the ass  :tup

Edit: Are you counting The Dance as their second or ME?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on March 16, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
Have not listened to Once yet, but Dark Passion Play is awesome. Not really a bad song on it. I think they should do more dual singing ala Bye Bye Beautiful. I think my favorite song on the album though would be Aramanth.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 16, 2011, 07:59:56 PM
Once is great. Best song is The Siren, followed by KTT(can't spell it)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bloop on March 16, 2011, 08:32:01 PM
Higher than Hope is one of my favorites off of the album. Pretty haunting.


Also obligatory Ghost Love Score mention.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 16, 2011, 08:38:58 PM
Higher than Hope is one of my favorites off of the album. Pretty haunting.


Finally some HTH love.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on March 16, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
Stop with the Once!! Let's talk about the album I actually know! :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on March 16, 2011, 08:43:36 PM
Oceanborn is pretty awesome. Lots of classic songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 16, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
I don't think there's a bad album in the Nightwish discography.

I've been spinning Dark Passion Play lately and I enjoy teh hell out of it everytime
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 17, 2011, 12:32:55 AM
I like Come Cover Me
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 17, 2011, 03:23:53 AM
I like Come Cover Me

I remember when we saw that live. It was such a surprise.
But nothing comes close to the time we were heading to Mokena for their second show in in the Chicago area, and you said, in the car ride over, "Dude wouldn't it be cool if they played "Dead to the World"?"

And then this happened:
(https://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v275/202/26/535768390/n535768390_670175_8780.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 17, 2011, 01:26:48 PM
hahaha yeah......that was a good night!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 17, 2011, 01:32:57 PM
It's amazing they're playing The Islander. I love that song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 17, 2011, 03:11:30 PM
^That was a favorite at the shows. It was such a cool vibe to see them just sit back and acoustic the shit outta the audience. And it always leighwayed into TP&tP. Never failed.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on March 17, 2011, 07:57:07 PM
Gonna be a fail here...

Anette>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>


















>






>



>Tarja

With the first chick, it sounds like they are trying too hard. I am happy with Anette. :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on March 17, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
I'm happy with Anette, but you're crazy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bloop on March 17, 2011, 08:10:29 PM
Anette is great for the style of music they're playing nowadays but I would definitely pick Tarja over Anette any day of the week.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 17, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
Tarja tended to have a real operatic voice that didn't really sit well with their newer sound. But when its softer, its amazing, like the vocals in the chorus of The Siren, and Ghost Love Score.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 17, 2011, 08:42:50 PM
I also kind of prefer Anette, but saying she's miles better than Tarja is just stupid.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on March 17, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
As a pure singer, she is not, but from what I have heard of both "bands," Anette fits better with the music and it feels less forced, cheesy, and power metally with her.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bloop on March 17, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
Anette seems really good if she's given the right music to fit her voice. If Tuomas writes for her voice the right way (Like Escapist or her part in the Islander for example. Bad example would be Whoever Brings the Night. Voice distortion sucks  :tdwn) on the new album then I'd consider putting her on the same level as Tarja was on when she was with NW.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 18, 2011, 02:39:35 AM
Nightwish is Nightwish. I win.  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 18, 2011, 03:15:14 AM
(https://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5691344/Oh-Christ-Not-this-shit-again.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Hipster-Ariel)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Summers on March 18, 2011, 08:28:17 AM
As a pure singer, she is not, but from what I have heard of both "bands," Anette fits better with the music and it feels less forced, cheesy, and power metally with her.

... .. but.. mmrm.mrnr...   *holds back*  

Nah I really like Mrs. Olzen, but I just love the massive epic feel Tarja gives their older stuff, a little thing that is lacking with Anette.  
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 20, 2011, 02:34:59 AM
(https://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/D1M1TR1/DTF/TARJANETTE.jpg?t=1300609984)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2011, 02:37:34 AM
HAHAHA!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on March 20, 2011, 09:40:35 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on March 20, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Whoever made that deserves a medal.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 20, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
Whoever made that deserves a medal.

What if I don't want a medal and just want everyone to get along?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 20, 2011, 07:12:05 PM
I actually agree that Tarja's voice didn't fit too well with Nightwish until her last two albums with the band. They were really starting to come into their own with those. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 20, 2011, 07:19:06 PM
I actually agree that Tarja's voice didn't fit too well with Nightwish until her last two albums with the band. They were really starting to come into their own with those. 

I am agree with you to a point. Wishmaster's strong musical prowess gave Tarja so much to work with. Songs like "Wanderlust", "Come Cover Me", and "Fantasmic" boosted her power even more. You can hear some elements of later albums in the songs, but overall I think Wishmaster is one of her strongest. It doesn't sway me farther from loving Century Child though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on March 20, 2011, 08:19:29 PM
Whoever made that deserves a medal.

What if I don't want a medal and just want everyone to get along?

lol you made it? Good job.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on March 20, 2011, 08:59:40 PM
Whoever made that deserves a medal.

What if I don't want a medal and just want everyone to get along?

lol you made it? Good job.

Lol, Yeah after seeing this argument start up (once again!) I got fed up and thought of the comic strip on the spot. Maybe now everyone will stop being picky and just enjoy Nightwish for what they are: talented musicians.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 21, 2011, 01:27:33 PM
Whoever made that deserves a medal.

What if I don't want a medal and just want everyone to get along?

lol you made it? Good job.

Lol, Yeah after seeing this argument start up (once again!) I got fed up and thought of the comic strip on the spot. Maybe now everyone will stop being picky and just enjoy Nightwish for what they are: talented musicians.

Where's the 'like' button on this fuckin thing??
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Sam on March 21, 2011, 01:35:27 PM
Anyone seen the idea behind the next album? A film called Imaginarium, seems a bit OTT to me, but then again I guess that's what Nightwish do best (don't get me wrong I love them, just they're a bit much sometimes)

https://www.nightwish.com/en/imaginarium/news
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on August 07, 2011, 03:46:43 PM
BUMP!

Just in here to say, if Imaginarium does not perform sexual favors, it will not have lived up to its hype. Hell, 3.7 million dollar budget, a movie, 5 years between albums...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jsem on August 07, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
I cannot wait for Imaginarium.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2011, 05:10:44 PM
BUMP!

Just in here to say, if Imaginarium does not perform sexual favors, it will not have lived up to its hype. Hell, 3.7 million dollar budget, a movie, 5 years between albums...

The album doesn't have a 3.7 million dollar budget, the movie does.


But the album will probably just be modern nightwish by numbers. Danny Elfman style orchestra stuff over chunky but very very simple guitar/bass riffs with extremely basic 4/4 drumming and lots of syncopation.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on August 07, 2011, 05:26:10 PM
extremely basic 3/3 drumming
Whoa. I'd like to hear that.

Honestly, I'm still not sold on the movie thing. I like Nightwish as musicians, not wannabe film directors, and I'd rather they concentrated on writing a kicking album than messing around with this movie thing. But I'm glad that you're digging Once and DPP, Numbers. And yeah, Annette's pretty rockin'. I was grateful for the change. I always loved Tarja - she was the reason I fell in love with the band (and they were my first musical love!) - but I'd rather they tried something new and found some fresh blood, than tried to ape Tarja's style as closely as possible, and that's what we got with Annette. Both cool vocalists, both very good. I think Once is my favourite album by the band - the music on DPP's all very good, but never great - but yeah, lots of time for the Wish. In all its forms.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2011, 06:04:39 PM
This band is dead to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on August 07, 2011, 06:08:37 PM
BUMP!

Just in here to say, if Imaginarium does not perform sexual favors, it will not have lived up to its hype. Hell, 3.7 million dollar budget, a movie, 5 years between albums...

The album doesn't have a 3.7 million dollar budget, the movie does.


But the album will probably just be modern nightwish by numbers. Danny Elfman style orchestra stuff over chunky but very very simple guitar/bass riffs with extremely basic 4/4 drumming and lots of syncopation.

I like that. I can deal with that.

And Bosk, isn't that spam. You added absolutely nothing to the conversation, and threw an insult at a band that many of us like.

If I just so happen to say Mike Portnoy and everything he is associated with is dead to me...I'd be banned.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on August 07, 2011, 06:10:27 PM
Where's the insult?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 07, 2011, 06:18:37 PM
This band is dead to me.

Are you kidding? Or are you talking about where they are going from now? Why?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
This band is dead to me.

Are you kidding? Or are you talking about where they are going from now? Why?

I still like their old stuff, but I am not happy about the direction they are going, and I find the amount of time between albums to be completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 07, 2011, 06:25:35 PM
Is there a reason for the time in between the albums? And I thought you liked DPP. I know I do, mostly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2011, 07:02:35 PM
BUMP!

Just in here to say, if Imaginarium does not perform sexual favors, it will not have lived up to its hype. Hell, 3.7 million dollar budget, a movie, 5 years between albums...

The album doesn't have a 3.7 million dollar budget, the movie does.


But the album will probably just be modern nightwish by numbers. Danny Elfman style orchestra stuff over chunky but very very simple guitar/bass riffs with extremely basic 4/4 drumming and lots of syncopation.

I like that. I can deal with that.


If it had heart, it'd be fine. But Nightwish used to have heart, and now they just do what they think people want. I don't respect that. That's one of the reasons I like Devin so much, everything he does has heart, he doesn't just stick to what works. Nightwish is becoming one of those bands that is just going through the motions at this point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on August 07, 2011, 07:04:56 PM
Devin...like, Townsend?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
Devin...like, Townsend?

...........yes. Not related to nightwish, but was meant to illustrate my point. Nightwish has just become a band on autopilot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on August 07, 2011, 07:20:25 PM
Well, the beauty of DPP being the only album I have/dig, I don't have a problem with it. Granted, the music is very..."generic"...but it really is the only epic/symphonic metal I listen to, so I dig it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2011, 07:21:54 PM
There is still a lot to like.  But given the history of the band, I feel similarly to Adami.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2011, 08:56:07 PM
I feel similarly to Adami.



Thank you.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 07, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
Ooh I want in your sig. Lemme try.

Adami you sexy beast of a man your musical taste is pretty darn good you know
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
Ooh I want in your sig. Lemme try.

Adami you sexy beast of a man your musical taste is pretty darn good you know

Thank you.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 07, 2011, 09:52:50 PM
Oh you
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2011, 11:42:18 PM
BUMP!

Just in here to say, if Imaginarium does not perform sexual favors, it will not have lived up to its hype. Hell, 3.7 million dollar budget, a movie, 5 years between albums...

The album doesn't have a 3.7 million dollar budget, the movie does.


But the album will probably just be modern nightwish by numbers. Danny Elfman style orchestra stuff over chunky but very very simple guitar/bass riffs with extremely basic 4/4 drumming and lots of syncopation.

I like that. I can deal with that.


If it had heart, it'd be fine. But Nightwish used to have heart, and now they just do what they think people want. I don't respect that. That's one of the reasons I like Devin so much, everything he does has heart, he doesn't just stick to what works. Nightwish is becoming one of those bands that is just going through the motions at this point.

I watched an older documentary about Nightwish through netflix, forgot what it was called, but Thomous (spelling?) kept saying they lost thier "innocence" after they became popular.  I agree, but that doesn't mean I don't like thier music anymore.  I think Once is thier best album, but the band overall just doesn't have the same vibe that the older albums have. 

Hell, the band even sings about not having heart anymore... "for the heart I once had..."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on August 09, 2011, 08:26:07 AM
BUMP!

Just in here to say, if Imaginarium does not perform sexual favors, it will not have lived up to its hype. Hell, 3.7 million dollar budget, a movie, 5 years between albums...

The album doesn't have a 3.7 million dollar budget, the movie does.


But the album will probably just be modern nightwish by numbers. Danny Elfman style orchestra stuff over chunky but very very simple guitar/bass riffs with extremely basic 4/4 drumming and lots of syncopation.

I like that. I can deal with that.


If it had heart, it'd be fine. But Nightwish used to have heart, and now they just do what they think people want.
Like firing Tarja?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 09, 2011, 08:36:34 AM
So, I looked up the cover of "Phantom of the Opera" on YouTube.  Pretty cool, but in no way does it touch the original Sarah Brightman/Michael Crawford performance. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 09, 2011, 08:39:28 AM
If it had heart, it'd be fine. But Nightwish used to have heart, and now they just do what they think people want.
Like firing Tarja?

I could be mistaken, but I don't think that decision was made because they tought people on the outside wanted it.  I don't think any Nightwish fan wanted to see that happen.  My best assessment is that things had just reached a boiling point between her and the band.  They were completely separate and heading in two different directions.  She had already said she was only onboard for one more album and then was going to go her own way anyway.  And if there was any chance in reconciliation, Marcelo on one side and the band's management on the other seem to have irreparably poisoned the relationship even further.  I don't like that they fired her, but given everything that was going on and the personalities involved, I'm not shocked at all that they did, and I think it was pretty unavoidable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on August 09, 2011, 08:50:09 AM
Well, it was just a joke, so you win hands down.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 09, 2011, 12:19:38 PM
Well, it was just a joke, so you win hands down.

I meant they do what people want musically. And to be fair, they have more fans now that they have Anette because they picked a more accessible popular voiced singer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jsem on August 09, 2011, 12:23:08 PM
Well, it was just a joke, so you win hands down.

I meant they do what people want musically. And to be fair, they have more fans now that they have Anette because they picked a more accessible popular voiced singer.
Really?

Every Nightwish fan I've ever met prefers Tarja over Anette. Myself included. Not meaning to be disrespectful or anything.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 09, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
Yes, most classic Nightwish fans like Tarja more, but they're still Nightwish fans. But just read this whole thread, lots of people became Nightwish fans when they switched because they wanted a more normal voice and not a super operatic one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on August 09, 2011, 04:56:01 PM
I am one of those folks.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jsem on August 09, 2011, 05:04:03 PM
I figured.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on August 09, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
EDIT

Nevermind, I guess it's been out for a while.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 09, 2011, 11:12:19 PM
Anybody see the Imaginarium teaser today? Pretty unremarkable, but excites me nonetheless.

What? What teaser? Are you talking about that one persons theme music which is from the album that was released weeks ago?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on August 09, 2011, 11:52:16 PM
No, nevermind. For the first time I heard the "Kiteen Pallo" clip. It's been out there for almost a month now. I had no idea.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on August 22, 2011, 03:36:53 AM
NIGHTWISH's 'Imaginarium' To Arrive Before End Of The Year - Aug. 21, 2011

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=162265

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"Imaginarium", the long-awaited new album from Finnish/Swedish symphonic metallers NIGHTWISH, will be released before the end of the year via Nuclear Blast Records in Europe and Roadrunner Records in North America. A movie of the same name is currently in production and is expected to arrive in 2012.

More information about the "Imaginarium" album, including the CD's complete track listing and details of the first single, will be made available in the coming weeks.

"Imaginarium" is one of the projects which recently received grants from the Finnish government institution called the Finnish Film Foundation. The movie, directed by Stobe Harju, about an old man on his deathbed who glimpses a childhood dream in which he refuses to grow old, and fights aging with his imagination, will get $575,000 toward its $3.7 million budget.

The Finnish Film Foundation grants support for professional Finnish film production. The Foundation's goal is to promote high-quality, versatile and unique Finnish film. The support can be granted for feature-length, short and episodic fiction, documentary, animation and children's films.

The production support is granted for the writing of a film script, development of a film project, the actual production of a film and for the marketing and distribution of the film in Finland. The Foundation also grants post-release support on the basis of a film's total attendance.

NIGHTWISH will kick off the "Imaginarium" world tour in Los Angeles. The very first show of the trek will take place at the Gibson Amphitheatre in Universal City, California on Saturday, January 21. This will be the biggest NIGHTWISH show production ever on North American soil and strictly a one-off — there will be no U.S. tour until later in 2012.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on August 22, 2011, 04:09:54 AM
Oh thank christ! That's unexpectedly quick. I don't have to watch the film, so I don't mind that taking ages.

Hurrah!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on August 22, 2011, 04:12:08 AM
Good stuff! And assuming the album's lyrics are in line with the film subject, it could be quite interesting and not just Tuomas whining about Tarja all the time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on August 22, 2011, 08:51:17 AM
Unless the film is about Tarja.

Honestly, though, I think some fans really stretched it on what they interpreted whining about Tarja on Dark Passion Play.  Some songs I could buy, but not that the album was almost dedicated to the topic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2011, 10:01:32 AM
Good stuff! And assuming the album's lyrics are in line with the film subject, it could be quite interesting and not just Tuomas whining about Tarja all the time.

Did you read the description above?  It's about not wanting to grow old so he can continue his Tarja obsession FOREVER.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on August 22, 2011, 10:07:02 AM
Good stuff! And assuming the album's lyrics are in line with the film subject, it could be quite interesting and not just Tuomas whining about Tarja all the time.

Did you read the description above?  It's about not wanting to grow old so he can continue his Tarja obsession FOREVER.

Hot damn Bosk, you're really bitter. :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2011, 12:59:33 PM
I have just come from the future, and I have seen the movie, and it was pretty good.


It had a HUGE cast too, no wonder they spent so much time on it. Seriously, Christopher Plumber, Andrew Garfield, Heath Ledger, Johnny Depp, Jude Law, Collin Ferrel, Tom Waits...........great cast.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 22, 2011, 01:01:11 PM
I don't believe you.  If you really had come from the future with information about the movie, you'd be charging us for it or something like that. 

Though, if you are from the future and from after the year 2015, will the Cubs nab a World Series by then?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2011, 01:03:08 PM
I don't believe you.  If you really had come from the future with information about the movie, you'd be charging us for it or something like that. 


Racism, reported.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on August 22, 2011, 01:07:56 PM
I have just come from the future, and I have seen the movie, and it was pretty good.


It had a HUGE cast too, no wonder they spent so much time on it. Seriously, Christopher Plumber, Andrew Garfield, Heath Ledger, Johnny Depp, Jude Law, Collin Ferrel, Tom Waits...........great cast.

Hey that looks like the cast to-- Oh I get it ha ha ha you're quite the stinker, Adami.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 22, 2011, 01:09:44 PM
I don't believe you.  If you really had come from the future with information about the movie, you'd be charging us for it or something like that. 
Racism, reported.
I didn't say anything that would be considered racism.

As far as I know, you're a probably some white guy in his mid-20s looking for a way to pay off his college debt by BS-ing knowledge of the future. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
I don't believe you.  If you really had come from the future with information about the movie, you'd be charging us for it or something like that. 
Racism, reported.
I didn't say anything that would be considered racism.

As far as I know, you're a probably some white guy in his mid-20s looking for a way to pay off his college debt by BS-ing knowledge of the future. 

Incest. Reported.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 22, 2011, 01:13:03 PM
I don't believe you.  If you really had come from the future with information about the movie, you'd be charging us for it or something like that. 
Racism, reported.
I didn't say anything that would be considered racism.

As far as I know, you're a probably some white guy in his mid-20s looking for a way to pay off his college debt by BS-ing knowledge of the future. 

Incest. Reported.
I have no means of committing incest.  I have no female (or male) siblings, and any cousins of mine are strangers I've never met in Ohio, or near-strangers I last met in Massachusetts in 2000. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
Dude did you just transformer into a woman? Or did a mod screw with your profile?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on September 02, 2011, 01:19:38 AM
From le Facebook page:

"The first single: "Storytime"

The new Nightwish single called "Storytime" will be released on Friday, the 11th of November. Presale will start soon!

The whole album tracklist with teasers of each song and the album release date will follow in a week. Stay tuned!"

:caffeine:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 02, 2011, 01:46:32 AM
This is random, but I hope the album cover isn't the movie poster. Even though the concept is awesome, the colors look way too similar to DPP.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 02, 2011, 08:23:06 AM
Don't worry.  No band would use the same color scheme and general art layout for two consecutive album covers. 

https://www.leaveseyes.de/discography/#Discography

Or three...  Or four... Or...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on September 02, 2011, 08:57:57 AM
Is Leave's Eyes any good?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 02, 2011, 12:15:24 PM
I like them, but I feel they get redundant after awhile.  If you've heard one album from them, you aren't really going to hear anything new.  I would recommend the Vinland Saga album as an introduction to the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 02, 2011, 12:48:26 PM
I'd be content with the 'storytime' single artwork as the album cover. Looks pretty cool. Hopefully the actual album cover will be even better though. Here's to an epic Nightwish disc!!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mr. Beale on September 02, 2011, 09:53:42 PM
I'll echo Bosk regarding Vinland Saga, it's their best album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 03, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
I would have prefered Imaginarium Of Fire.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 09, 2011, 02:00:15 AM
Official tracklisting/artwork for Imaginaerum

01  Taikatalvi
02  Storytime
03  Ghost River
04  Slow, Love, Slow
05  I Want My Tears Back
06  Scaretale
07  Arabesque
08  Turn Loose The Mermaids
09  Rest Calm
10  The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
11  Last Ride Of The Day
12  Song Of Myself
13  Imaginaerum

Courtesy of the offical Nightwish website https://nightwish.com/en/imaginaerumteaser


The artwork is AMAZING  :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2011, 02:33:35 AM
The artwork reminds me of Deconstruction. Very cool.

Although I have to admit, I lol'd at the title "I Want My Tears Back."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 09, 2011, 02:40:21 AM
The artwork reminds me of Deconstruction. Very cool.

Although I have to admit, I lol'd at the title "I Want My Tears Back."

I think that's one of the cooler song titles.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2011, 02:43:39 AM
Oh yeah, there's nothing wrong with it.

edit: nevermind, didn't notice the track-by-track breakdown is in the link you posted.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on September 18, 2011, 11:31:44 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163437

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Finnish/Swedish symphonic metallers NIGHTWISH will release their new album, "Imaginaerum", in the U.S. on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 via Roadrunner Records; in Finland on Wednesday, November 30 and the rest of Europe on Friday, December 2 via Nuclear Blast Records.

"Imaginaerum" track listing:

01. Taikatalvi
02. Storytime
03. Ghost River
04. Slow, Love, Slow
05. I Want My Tears Back
06. Scaretale
07. Arabesque
08. Turn Loose The Mermaids
09. Rest Calm
10. The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
11. Last Ride Of The Day
12. Song Of Myself
13. Imaginaerum

A track-by-track breakdown of the album by NIGHTWISH keyboardist/mainman Tuomas Holopainen can be found at Metalhammer.co.uk.

Regarding the "Imaginaerum" cover artwork, which can be seen below, Tuomas Holopainen said, "Originally, this was supposed to be the centerfold image of the album, but once I and some mates saw the final image, we immediately knew that the hunt for the actual cover artwork was over. I believe this is Toxic Angel's finest piece of work yet, capturing the deepest essence of what 'Imaginaerum' is all about. The power of imagination and places of wordless wonders, magic and awe, of longing and the surreal.

"I emphasized from the start that not a single living thing should be seen in the picture, and Toxic was able to create that sublime but desolate, 'all this waiting for you, and you only' feeling.

"All you need is the courage to enter."

NIGHTWISH recently spent time not only putting finishing touches to the "Imaginaerum" album, but also planning a movie of the same name.

"Imaginaerum" is one of the projects which recently received grants from the Finnish government institution called the Finnish Film Foundation. The movie, directed by Stobe Harju, about an old man on his deathbed who glimpses a childhood dream in which he refuses to grow old, and fights aging with his imagination, will get $575,000 toward its $3.7 million budget.

NIGHTWISH's new single, "Storytime", will be released on Friday, November 11 via Nuclear Blast Records.

Regarding the musical direction of the forthcoming album, NIGHTWISH singer Anette Olzon wrote on her official blog, "I think it's a great and varied CD. The feelings in it are great and there are a lot of elements in it, so I am sure it will have many different favorite songs for the listeners since the songs are so different in styles and sound. [2007's] 'Dark Passion Play' is a great album and this one, too, so I don't know yet which one I like more, but, of course, for me personally, this one feels better to do since the songs are more adjusted to my voice and my style."

NIGHTWISH will kick off the "Imaginaerum" world tour in Los Angeles. The very first show of the trek will take place at the Gibson Amphitheatre in Universal City, California on Saturday, January 21. This will be the biggest NIGHTWISH show production ever on North American soil and strictly a one-off — there will be no U.S. tour until later in 2012.

The different release dates is stupid. I mean now, instead of buying it, guess what I'll be doing with my computer on November 30th?
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Post by: Adami on September 18, 2011, 11:46:42 AM
Jesus a 6 week difference? The hell is the point of that?

But yea, I'll just find a finnish release on amazon or something.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 19, 2011, 08:34:14 AM
Yeah, that delay is crazy.  I doubt it has anything to do with the band themselves, but still. 

On another note, album art rarely bothers me, and unless it is something outright offensive, I generally don't really give it much of a second thought.  But for some reason I can't explain, it bugs me a bit when album art really starts to look alike from album to album, and duplicating the exact color scheme and graphic style from the last album fits that category for me.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on September 19, 2011, 08:43:34 AM
While the band left a pretty bad taste in my mouth from how the handled the Tarja situation, enough time has passed now since DPP that I don't feel inclined to keep holding that against them. Hopefully things have kinda returned to normal and they're back to writing music from their hearts (rather than their egos) again. Some of DPP was Nightwish by numbers, but some of it was brilliant. So, no reason to completely rule this out.

And the movie's big budget is reassuring. It hopefully won't be like some Sci-Fi original movie quality thing  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 20, 2011, 03:09:21 AM
Even if it is that quality, I'd still go see it. Just reading about the plot and the progression of the story, in Holopainen we trust.

And...

I would have prefered Imaginarium Of Fire.
:rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Snow_Dog on September 29, 2011, 02:57:26 PM
So I picked up Once and Oceanborn. Tried to get into this band before and didn't "get" Tarja's singing, so Dark Passion Play was a nice surprise for me. I really like a few songs on that album. I just finished listening to Oceanborn, and something must have clicked this time because it was AWESOME this time around. Looking forward to hearing Once, as well as Imaginaerum  ;D 
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 29, 2011, 04:31:43 PM
So I picked up Once and Oceanborn. Tried to get into this band before and didn't "get" Tarja's singing, so Dark Passion Play was a nice surprise for me. I really like a few songs on that album. I just finished listening to Oceanborn, and something must have clicked this time because it was AWESOME this time around. Looking forward to hearing Once, as well as Imaginaerum  ;D

Oceanborn is good  Once is great. Century Child is the best them.  get that disc if you don't have it.
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Post by: Snow_Dog on September 29, 2011, 04:58:56 PM
I most likely will. Really digging what I've heard so far.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 29, 2011, 09:45:15 PM
Century Child is the best them. 

You are correct sir.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 26, 2011, 02:08:40 PM
Teaser for "Storytime" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6YhaJK8TC4 courtesy of the official nightwish website.

Sounds different, and that melody is extremely catchy!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2011, 02:26:20 PM
Teaser for "Storytime" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6YhaJK8TC4 courtesy of the official nightwish website.

Sounds different, and that melody is extremely catchy!!

I like it.  But I'm not sure why you say it sounds different.  Even without recognizing Anette's voice, if I heard that on the radio and didn't know who it was, I would say, "oh, sounds just like Nightwish."  I'm not hearing anything "different" in that clip.
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Post by: yorost on October 26, 2011, 02:34:19 PM
I agree, very much a Nightwish sounding song.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 26, 2011, 02:35:26 PM
Teaser for "Storytime" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6YhaJK8TC4 courtesy of the official nightwish website.

Sounds different, and that melody is extremely catchy!!

I like it.  But I'm not sure why you say it sounds different.  Even without recognizing Anette's voice, if I heard that on the radio and didn't know who it was, I would say, "oh, sounds just like Nightwish."  I'm not hearing anything "different" in that clip.

Oh, the music of course sounds like them. Maybe it's just me, but Anette's tone sounds different even though I like it too!

Can't wait to hear the 'jazz swing' that Tuomas promised on this album!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 26, 2011, 03:46:51 PM
Not bad, but I hear what you're saying about Annette... she sounds like a child, and kinda hollow.  Now, I'll profess to having very strong preference for Tarja over her, but DPP was pretty good vocally.  Hopefully this isn't representative of the entire album.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 26, 2011, 06:17:32 PM
Either way, Anette sounds good!
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Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
Sounds pretty awesome to me, standard Nightwish.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on October 27, 2011, 05:32:21 AM
DO! WANT! NOW!
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Post by: faemir on November 04, 2011, 04:35:02 PM
I don't know if anyone knows, but the Imaginaerum film soundtrack will be done by Petri Alanko, taking the Nightwish material and adding his own stuff.

And Petri Alanko is the most underrated soundtrack artist of all time. You can here his Alan Wake stuff here:

https://www.petrialanko.net/category/demos/
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 04, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
Great link. Now I have to pick up Alan Wake for 360.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on November 06, 2011, 11:19:40 AM
I know this gets talked about on every page, but I'm currently giving Once another chance, and I can't help but think this boring, annoying, grating, and a shitty attempt at mixing opera and symphonic metal. Dark Passion Play is literally at least 10x as awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lateralus88 on November 06, 2011, 11:31:42 AM
I know this gets talked about on every page, but I'm currently giving Once another chance, and I can't help but think this boring, annoying, grating, and a shitty attempt at mixing opera and symphonic metal. Dark Passion Play is literally at least 10x as awesome.
I'm not even that big of a fan of Nightwish and this post offended me. Go back to your Lou Reed and your coffee shops and your rock and roll music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2011, 11:37:11 AM
I know this gets talked about on every page, but I'm currently giving Once another chance, and I can't help but think this boring, annoying, grating, and a shitty attempt at mixing opera and symphonic metal. Dark Passion Play is literally at least 10x as awesome.
I'm not even that big of a fan of Nightwish and this post offended me. Go back to your Lou Reed and your coffee shops and your rock and roll music.

I *am* a Nightwish fan, so I'm doubly offended.   ;)  DPP is good, but Once and Oceanborn are in a different class.  For Symphonic Metal, DPP was a step down (IMO).
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Post by: 73109 on November 06, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
And a step up in general awesomness? Agreed! :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on November 06, 2011, 11:56:17 AM
Didn't Nightwish pretty much start the whole Symphonic Metal with Female Operatic Vocals that's so in vogue nowadays? I find most other bands that do the same thing to be cheap ass knockoffs of Nightwish... and I'm not even  much of a fan.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
Once is the best album, color me offended.
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Post by: jsem on November 06, 2011, 02:25:38 PM
Once is the best album, color me offended.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 06, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
I know this gets talked about on every page, but I'm currently giving Once another chance, and I can't help but think this boring, annoying, grating, and a shitty attempt at mixing opera and symphonic metal. Dark Passion Play is literally at least 10x as awesome.

73109 is fucking clown shoes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on November 06, 2011, 02:36:18 PM
I know this gets talked about on every page, but I'm currently giving Once another chance, and I can't help but think this boring, annoying, grating, and a shitty attempt at mixing opera and symphonic metal. Dark Passion Play is literally at least 10x as awesome.

73109 is fucking clown shoes.
Is fucking a verb or an adjective in this case?

Either results in a weird mental image...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 06, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
Teaser for "Storytime" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6YhaJK8TC4 courtesy of the official nightwish website.

Sounds different, and that melody is extremely catchy!!

How did Orcus get his opinion used in this?

Also, I hope everyone who decided to make North America wait 6 weeks gets impassible jagged kidney stones.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 06, 2011, 07:34:38 PM
Honestly I loved Tarja's solo album from last year. Apparently I was the only one to actually listen to it, though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: adace on November 07, 2011, 01:16:48 AM
Storytime aired about an hour ago. Either youtube it or google it. It's a phenomenal song.
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Post by: Zook on November 07, 2011, 02:06:50 AM
Storytime aired about an hour ago. Either youtube it or google it. It's a phenomenal song.

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 07, 2011, 06:13:18 AM
Honestly I loved Tarja's solo album from last year. Apparently I was the only one to actually listen to it, though.

I listened to a few songs from it.  It was ok.  I'm of the opinion that both Nightwish and Tarja are better together than they are on their own.  Storytime re-affirms my position

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Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2011, 07:15:52 AM
Honestly I loved Tarja's solo album from last year. Apparently I was the only one to actually listen to it, though.

I have it.  Didn't care for it.  Jingle pretty much nailed how I feel:

I'm of the opinion that both Nightwish and Tarja are better together than they are on their own. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on November 07, 2011, 07:25:27 AM
Tarja's solo albums have great songs on them, but they aren't much to talk about as whole albums. 

I'm with bosk1 and jingle.boy.  As much as I like Annette, Tarja gave Nightwish that extra notch above so many other bands, and Tarja just lacks something going solo.  Her singing is fine, her songs are all over the place.  I still think Nightwish is really good, but... oh well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 07, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
Man. Tarja was definitely a top 10 album for me last year. I mean, I can't imagine her having done anything remotely like "Rivers of Lust" with Nightwish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 07, 2011, 07:28:33 AM
I still think Nightwish is really good, ce la vie.

FTFY
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 07, 2011, 12:13:35 PM
My dear lord, Storytime is AMAZING!! That chorus is soooooo catchy, it sticks in your brain!
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Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2011, 12:25:53 PM
Where's the full song?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 07, 2011, 01:02:18 PM
Where's the full song?

I just youtube'd it, it's the one that's 5 1/2 minutes long
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on November 07, 2011, 06:00:38 PM
New song is really, really good.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2011, 06:42:19 PM
Pretty good song.  Sounds a lot like something that could easily have been on DPP, but written with Anette's voice in mind (which is about what I expected).  I like it.  But it isn't nearly special enough to justify how long they've made us wait.
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Post by: Zook on November 07, 2011, 06:43:52 PM
Pretty good song.  Sounds a lot like something that could easily have been on DPP, but written with Anette's voice in mind (which is about what I expected).  I like it.  But it isn't nearly special enough to justify how long they've made us wait.

You're going to bitch about Nightwish too?!

Oh wait, nevermind. Wrong person.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Fiery Winds on November 10, 2011, 01:55:16 AM
Storytime isn't bad, but it REALLY sounds like Nightwish (not in a good way).  Tell me I'm not the only one that hears Master Passion Greed throughout the verses.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on November 10, 2011, 03:20:53 AM
Dude, I saw several Youtube comments that said the same thing, and I'm not hearing it at all.
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Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2011, 03:51:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8ykQLYnX0&feature=feedu

There's the video.  Not really digging it myself.  The main riff reminds me too much of Wish I Had An Angel.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 10, 2011, 04:39:52 AM
Haters gonna hate.

I'm gonna love.

 :metal
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Post by: Panic Attacker on November 10, 2011, 04:44:59 AM
Haters gonna hate.

I'm gonna love.

 :metal

Amen
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 10, 2011, 05:25:58 AM

There's the video.  Not really digging it myself.  The main riff reminds me too much of Wish I Had An Angel.

Storytime isn't bad, but it REALLY sounds like Nightwish (not in a good way).  Tell me I'm not the only one that hears Master Passion Greed throughout the verses.

Don't know what exactly I hear, but it does sound recycled to some extent.  And to me, Annette sounds hollow/airy. I'm not hearing any power in her voice on this track.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 10, 2011, 06:47:32 AM
Tell me I'm not the only one that hears Master Passion Greed throughout the verses.

Totally.  Except that Master Passion Greed overall sucked as a song.  This doesn't.  I like it.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2011, 10:07:26 AM
This song is pretty awesome.  I agree it doesn't display much power from Annette's voice, but the song sounds more tailored to her voice.  Also I definitely hear some Master Passion Greed, but while I didnt like that song much, I do like this song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: faemir on November 12, 2011, 07:52:38 PM
Does anyone else listen to Dark Passion Play, only to turn it off after track one because it's better than the rest of the album combined?
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2011, 09:05:27 PM
Nope... I actually like the entire album.  I think it's got a lot of solid tracks.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2011, 11:32:26 PM
Does anyone else listen to Dark Passion Play, only to turn it off after track one because it's better than the rest of the album combined?

If you mean, "Does anyone else listen to Dark Passion Play, only to turn it off after track one because it is so bad it makes you forget the album actually has lots of pretty good stuff later on," then yes.
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Post by: Pols Voice on November 12, 2011, 11:36:39 PM
The only tracks on DPP that I don't like are Master Passion Greed and Whoever Brings the Night.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 13, 2011, 12:57:58 AM
Does anyone else listen to Dark Passion Play, only to turn it off after track one because it's better than the rest of the album combined?

DPP is one of my top 5 favorite albums of all time, I think it's a front-to-back masterpiece.
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Post by: adace on November 15, 2011, 02:47:08 AM
SAMPLES!!! https://www.amazon.de/Imaginaerum-Deluxe-Version/dp/B0067HNR2I/ (https://www.amazon.de/Imaginaerum-Deluxe-Version/dp/B0067HNR2I/)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 15, 2011, 02:50:09 AM
Does anyone else listen to Dark Passion Play, only to turn it off after track one because it's better than the rest of the album combined?

If you mean, "Does anyone else listen to Dark Passion Play, only to turn it off after track one because it is so bad it makes you forget the album actually has lots of pretty good stuff later on," then yes.

Haha, my thoughts completely.

The first track on DPP is such a mess in so many ways.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 15, 2011, 05:13:02 PM

Haha, my thoughts completely.

The first track on DPP is such a mess in so many ways.

That outro blows. As soon as it slows down, SKIP. Rest of the song is great tho.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 15, 2011, 05:52:47 PM
The Poet and the Pendulum is probably tied with Ghost Love Sore for my favorite Nightwish song  :-\
Only thing I dislike about it is Anette's terrible super-high pitch voice she uses in the intro and the third movement.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
The Poet and the Pendulum is probably tied with Ghost Love Sore for my favorite Nightwish song  :-\
Only thing I dislike about it is Anette's terrible super-high pitch voice she uses in the intro and the third movement.

That isn't Anette.  It is a little boy (can't remember if his name is credited in the booklet or not).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 15, 2011, 06:01:35 PM
Oh, alright. I still hate that voice though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2011, 06:20:24 PM
I would say the first 5 minutes are amazing and then the song just hits the crapper. I also really dont like Marcos vocals on that song.  I loved his style on thier other songs, but he just sounds terrible imo on the poet and the pendulum
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 15, 2011, 06:45:02 PM
The Poet and the Pendulum is probably tied with Ghost Love Sore for my favorite Nightwish song  :-\
Only thing I dislike about it is Anette's terrible super-high pitch voice she uses in the intro and the third movement.

GLS is probably my favorite, but TPatP just lacks any musical coherency. It's like three songs just mashed together with no track-breaks, and a story that is impossible to follow aside from the part where you suddenly here someone say "raped again and again."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 15, 2011, 06:50:29 PM
IMO, Beauty of the Beast is the best them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2011, 11:46:55 PM
IMO, Beauty of the Beast is the best them.

This.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 16, 2011, 06:15:13 AM
IMO, Beauty of the Beast is the best them.

I concur.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Summers on November 17, 2011, 02:37:58 PM
WHAT THE HELL how did I miss this?!?

Been so preoccupied with other music releases and game releases I totally missed the new song!  First listen tonight and I am incredibly impressed.  Amazing, and I love the video.  This album is going to rock  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on November 19, 2011, 04:50:13 AM
IMO, Beauty of the Beast is the best them.
This!

But I do also really like both Ghost Love Score and the Poet and the Pendulum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 19, 2011, 05:15:34 AM
It goes:

1. Beauty of the Beast
2. Ghost Love Score
3. Fantasmic
4. Creek Mary's Blood
5. The Poet and the Pendulum
6. Lappi
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2011, 02:37:14 PM
The Poet And The Pendulum is my favorite.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Volk9 on November 19, 2011, 05:08:57 PM
Favorite song on DPP is Seven Days to to the Wolves
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ravenheart on November 28, 2011, 04:49:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW-pvk8O-4&feature=player_embedded


Daddy likes this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2011, 05:20:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW-pvk8O-4&feature=player_embedded


Daddy likes this.

Those guys sound like a Nightwish ripoff band, except that their singer sounds nothing like Tarja.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2011, 05:37:55 PM

Those guys sound like a Nightwish ripoff band, except that their singer sounds nothing like Tarja.

 :rollin

I actually liked that song better than Storytime.  Will rifle thru the rest of the tracks later.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2011, 06:03:55 PM
Yeah, it is pretty good.  But I like Storytime too, so I can't say which is better at this point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 28, 2011, 08:18:55 PM
Didn't listen to all of it yet, just Last Ride of the Day and Song of Myself.
Last Ride was better than expected. Song of Myself would have been great if it weren't for half the song being a spoken poem over a quiet orchestrated sequence that doesn't really go anywhere.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseJamittaja on November 29, 2011, 01:14:57 AM
Strings work really well on this album, at least what I have listened to!

No any outstanding single track but overall it's one of the best releases this year.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 29, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
I've listened to 'Slow, Love, Slow' and 'The Crow, The Owl & The Dove'. Both are quite slow, but both are completely breathtaking ad beautiful. This one is shaping up to be another winner!!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 29, 2011, 10:48:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW-pvk8O-4&feature=player_embedded


Daddy likes this.

What was this? The video is down due to copyright claim from Nuclear Blast.  I assume new song?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseJamittaja on November 30, 2011, 12:11:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW-pvk8O-4&feature=player_embedded


Daddy likes this.

What was this? The video is down due to copyright claim from Nuclear Blast.  I assume new song?
Yes it was.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 02:21:23 AM
So Imagine Air Um is pretty damn awesome. Unlike Dark Passion Play, I was able to listen to the whole album and am on my second listen. Really good production too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 30, 2011, 02:55:48 AM
I hate Europe right now. Once the album's released here in the states I'll go back to loving Europe, but for now I just hate them so much.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2011, 07:12:39 AM
Wait, so is it out over here?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 30, 2011, 07:16:30 AM
Given I don't know where you live, I have no idea. But it was released in Finland and one other country, I think, today/yesterday. I know one friend of miine who has a leaked version, and I refuse to give in. I want the gaddam album so bad.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 07:17:41 AM
Wait, so is it out over here?

I'm friends with Captain Jack Sparrow.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2011, 07:20:36 AM
I'm friends with Thor's weapon of choice.  You might remember that before getting booted over something so stupid.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 07:28:41 AM
I'm friends with Thor's weapon of choice.  You might remember that before getting booted over something so stupid.

It's not like I said, "hey guys I just download teh new Nightwish album. Got it from this here site.com and totally didn't pay for and I aint gonna pay for cause I'm cool beans. Suck it you non Nightwish new album owning turd biscuits! RORORORORORORORO"

Now that would be stupid, amirite?

In fact, I could have received a promo copy for all you know. All I did was praise the album for crying out loud. I don't see what's so ban worthy about that. Care to explain?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 30, 2011, 07:31:55 AM
Hate to interrupt, but I'm pretty sure this is the Nightwish Thread.
So let's talk about Nightwish.

Does anyone know when the music video for Storytime will be released?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2011, 07:47:19 AM
I'm friends with Thor's weapon of choice.  You might remember that before getting booted over something so stupid.

It's not like I said, "hey guys I just download teh new Nightwish album. Got it from this here site.com and totally didn't pay for and I aint gonna pay for cause I'm cool beans. Suck it you non Nightwish new album owning turd biscuits! RORORORORORORORO"

Now that would be stupid, amirite?

In fact, I could have received a promo copy for all you know. All I did was praise the album for crying out loud. I don't see what's so ban worthy about that. Care to explain?

Yeah, it would be.  But so is admitting you pirated it, even indirectly.  You've been here long enough to either know the rules or know where to find them and read them. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 07:51:41 AM
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked.  In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever.  For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.

Did neither of these. Nanny nanny poo poo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 30, 2011, 07:53:25 AM
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Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on November 30, 2011, 07:59:30 AM
Tuomas really looks like a creep in that picture.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on November 30, 2011, 08:04:11 AM
I agree. Moreover, where are his hands?

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2011, 08:45:09 AM
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked.  In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever.  For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.

Did neither of these. Nanny nanny poo poo.


Zook, yes you did.  You referenced that you pirated the material.  That is more than enough to get you banned--especially since you have been down to your last warning for quite some time now.  Even though I've defended you in the past and advocated to keep you on the board, you've been around long enough to know this by now, and I'm done talking about it with you.

Tuomas really looks like a creep in that picture.

"In that picture?"  Hate to break it to you, but he's been creepy pretty much forever.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on November 30, 2011, 08:46:27 AM
I have a man crush on Tuomas.

No, seriously. I do.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
I have a man crush on Tuomas.

No, seriously. I do.

Best way to get him interested in you is to say you aren't interested and treat him like crap.  Getting married to someone else also helps take things to the next level.

This thread made me want to listen to some good Nightwish.  So I'm listening to End of an Era and pretending like Dark Passion Play doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on November 30, 2011, 08:51:21 AM
Tuomas really looks like a creep in that picture.

"In that picture?"  Hate to break it to you, but he's been creepy pretty much forever.
Been creepy isn't the same as looking like a creep.  He looks fine in a lot of pictures.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 08:53:56 AM
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked.  In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever.  For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.

Did neither of these. Nanny nanny poo poo.


Zook, yes you did.  You referenced that you pirated the material.  That is more than enough to get you banned--especially since you have been down to your last warning for quite some time now.  Even though I've defended you in the past and advocated to keep you on the board, you've been around long enough to know this by now, and I'm done talking about it with you.


Are you talking about the joke quote I posted. Does that really count? Whatever, carry on.

Nightwish is cool, yo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 30, 2011, 09:51:23 AM
I have a man crush on Tuomas.

No, seriously. I do.

Best way to get him interested in you is to say you aren't interested and treat him like crap.  Getting married to someone else also helps take things to the next level.


Maybe he'll end up writing you a personal letter (but then post it for the world) about how distant and selfish you'll become.  And it will come after a very important night in your life.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ravenheart on November 30, 2011, 09:56:13 AM
This is related to Nightwish: Has anyone listened to For My Pain? It's a collaboration Tuomas did with 3 member of Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Lauri of Embraze/Charon, and Juha Kylmanen (who has sung guest vocals with ETOS and would later become the lead singer for Finnish Goth rock band Reflexion).

It's really, really amazing. The album is called Fallen, and it's deep, rich, dense Gothic metal with a symphonic backdrop thanks to Tuomas. It's not just a Nightwish clone, though. It's its own thing entirely. I highly recommend it, as it's one of my all-time favorite albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2011, 10:35:49 AM
I didnt realize the album was out already in some parts of the world. Ive been watching the Storytime video on youtube a lot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 30, 2011, 05:17:19 PM
Listened to all of Imaginaerum today. Pretty good album, definitely gets better towards the end. Last Ride Of The Day and Song Of Myself are both fantastic songs, best on the album for sure. Still not a huge fan of the 2nd half of Song Of Myself, but once you get used to it it's actually quite beautiful.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 05:19:44 PM
Listened to all of Imaginaerum today. Pretty good album, definitely gets better towards the end. Last Ride Of The Day and Song Of Myself are both fantastic songs, best on the album for sure. Still not a huge fan of the 2nd half of Song Of Myself, but once you get used to it it's actually quite beautiful.

I hope you live in the UK or someone's gonna geta hurt real bad.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 30, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked.  In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever.  For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.

Sorry if I misinterpreted that rule or whatever, seems pretty straightforward to me...
Plus if the album's already officially released in certain parts of the world, shouldn't it be past the state of leakage?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2011, 05:38:11 PM
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked.  In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever.  For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.

Sorry if I misinterpreted that rule or whatever, seems pretty straightforward to me...
Plus if the album's already officially released in certain parts of the world, shouldn't it be past the state of leakage?

Well, as long as you don't make any joke quotes I guess.

Anyway, The album does rule. I'll most definitely buy this. SO MANY CDS, SO LITTLE MONEY!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on December 02, 2011, 06:16:49 PM
So the album is officially out in Europe. (Wtf, why a whole 'nother month for the States?) From what I've heard so far, I have to say I prefer DPP. I still have a lot left to listen to though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 04, 2011, 09:56:04 AM
This might interest some people in North America...

There is a LEGAL way to get the album Tuesday.  If you pre-order the Nightwish bundle from Roadrunner Records you get to download the album Tuesday.  Here's a link:  https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/NIGHTWISH-Imaginaerum-CD-T-shirt-Litho-Bundle (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/NIGHTWISH-Imaginaerum-CD-T-shirt-Litho-Bundle)

I'm thinking about it...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2011, 03:36:12 PM
Album is quite different, more symphonic and less operatic vocals. The album has a musical feel to it with the style of singing amd the duets. Lots of kid choir background vocals. My first listen was very meh, but the second listen gave
me a big smile. Very catchy tunes, I cant get them out of my head. Also Storytime from the youtube video is just the single version, the album version is a minute longer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shattered Glass on December 04, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
got it on Saturday in Australia - my wife and I are listening to it at our respective workplaces at the same time :)  it's just so good ....   :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on December 04, 2011, 07:05:43 PM
Got my copy yesterday.  I haven't listened to it yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2011, 07:45:46 AM
This might interest some people in North America...

There is a LEGAL way to get the album Tuesday.  If you pre-order the Nightwish bundle from Roadrunner Records you get to download the album Tuesday.  Here's a link:  https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/NIGHTWISH-Imaginaerum-CD-T-shirt-Litho-Bundle (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/NIGHTWISH-Imaginaerum-CD-T-shirt-Litho-Bundle)

I'm thinking about it...

Hmm.  I'm "thinking about it" as well, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to do it.  It's nice to have the album early, but I'm not willing to pay $33, plus whatever the shipping is, just to have an album early.  So it was really all about the extras.  And I have to say, the extras really aren't doing anything for me.  For those who are hardcore fans, it's a pretty good deal.  But even though the shirt makes it a good value for someone who would buy one of their shirts, I wouldn't buy one, so it's not something I value.  Same with the litho.  I don't really care much about the instrumental tracks.  And the bonus tracks, unfortunately, aren't compelling either.  It would be cool if they were totally new tracks, but they're only demos of existing tracks.  Not something I need.  So I think I'll wait and just pick it up out here when I get get the standard release anywhere from probably $11.99 to $14.99 and save more than $20, which I can spend on some other music I actually want.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on December 05, 2011, 07:46:12 AM
Album is quite different, more symphonic and less operatic vocals.
Did you forget about Dark Passion Play?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2011, 07:50:20 AM
Album is quite different, more symphonic and less operatic vocals.
Did you forget about Dark Passion Play?
I can't speak for him, but as for me, trust me when I say I've tried.

:biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on December 05, 2011, 07:57:53 AM
I'll sympathize with zook somewhat as it's nice to have things early and show off, but there isn't much wiggle room in the rules.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2011, 10:50:10 AM
I didnt forgot about DPP, but its more symphonic and the vocals are less operatic. I think Annette sounds very different on this album.  She uses some styles that I have no seen in Nightwish before.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on December 05, 2011, 10:56:52 AM
I'm really confused on how she could sound less operatic.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2011, 12:41:53 PM
You will just have to listen, Im probably not describing it correctly, but I find her style to be different. I find that the album doesnt have individual tracks that stand out, but the album as a whole is really amazing.  I wish there were more solos, thats what made wishmaster such a great album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on December 06, 2011, 07:20:57 AM
I heard an interesting POV yesterday about Anette being in the band. Apparently, some finnish people still can't handle the fact that there's a swede in Nightwish. My cousin across the pond in Finland is guilty of this, and she says that if you're not finnish you wouldn't understand. Anybody else know what she's talking about?

Cause I don't. And I'm half finnish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 06, 2011, 07:26:32 AM
The Finnish are vampires and Swedes are werewolves?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on December 06, 2011, 10:48:33 AM
^  :lol

Nightwish is a good band, but I'll tell you who REALLY loves them: Emma, my 9-year old sister. The first and only rock/metal band I've been able to get her into...she prefers Anette to Tarja (though I'm the opposite, surprise suprise  :biggrin:) and, even though she will NOT admit it, has a big fat crush on Marco.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on December 06, 2011, 11:36:03 AM
I heard an interesting POV yesterday about Anette being in the band. Apparently, some finnish people still can't handle the fact that there's a swede in Nightwish. My cousin across the pond in Finland is guilty of this, and she says that if you're not finnish you wouldn't understand. Anybody else know what she's talking about?

Cause I don't. And I'm half finnish.
The thing is, there's a friendly kind of rivalry between Finland and Sweden - like 2 neighbors or siblings. Just like Norwegians and Danes, Finns always love to beat Swedes at sports and other competitions. However, some people go even so far that they say they hate Swedes. Many Finns are bitter about the fact that we have to learn Swedish in school due to it being another national language, (Finland was originally part of Sweden for over 600 years) although the Swedish-speaking people are a minority. There's also a stereotype about Finland-Swedes being wealthy and arrogant but that's another story. If you type "why do Finns hate Swedes" on Google, you'll find more info about these things. I personally don't have anything against Swedes, although studying Swedish is quite boring.

I've never heard complaints about Anette being Swedish, I've got the impression most Finnish Anette-dislikers just think she's an amateur pop singer, just like Tarja-fanboys from other countries think.

Sorry for the long off-topic at the start, I just had to explain the Finland-Sweden rivalry. BTW, it's the Finnish independence day! :D On the topic of NW itself - I started listening to them when DPP was released but I overplayed that album and got bored of it. I have all their previous albums but rarely listen to them nowadays. However, Nightwish was one of the first heavier bands I listened to and they were a kind of "gateway" band to metal for me. I'm pretty sure there are many other Finns who have had the same situation: it's easy to start with more mainstream metal like NW and then find heavier and more complex bands after that. I've heard Storytime (it's a hit here) but I haven't got Imaginaerum yet. In 4 years I have discovered so many new bands that I haven't been that anxious about hearing new stuff but I'll probably give it a chance.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on December 06, 2011, 12:13:55 PM
Thanks for the explanation and HAPPY FINNISH INDEPENDENCE DAY!
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Post by: ? on December 07, 2011, 06:30:49 AM
Thanks for the explanation and HAPPY FINNISH INDEPENDENCE DAY!
Thanks! :) I could see why some could be annoyed by the fact that Anette is Swedish, I just haven't heard about it.

One thing I don't understand about the Anette-hate is that people complain about her not being an opera singer: Tarja started singing in a less operatic way on Century Child as Tuomas didn't really want to have Oceanborn/Wishmaster style vocals anymore (source: the official NW book) so it was natural for them to get a singer who doesn't sing opera at all. Besides, I'm sure a 2nd-rate Tarja would've divided opinions even more strongly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Summers on December 07, 2011, 08:53:36 AM
Wow.  This album is amazing.   :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

I loved DPP but this totally surpasses it.  Anette is at home and the band sounds great.  I used to be bitter about Tarja but those days are long gone now!  Can't wait to see them on this tour. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 07, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
Listening to the record, and it sounds pretty good.

Dat spoken word section near the end, though... lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on December 07, 2011, 08:41:01 PM
I'm on my second or third listen. I like it, I'm just not in love with it at the moment. That can change. However, Ghost River is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2011, 10:52:48 PM
I'm on my second or third listen. I like it, I'm just not in love with it at the moment. That can change. However, Ghost River is fucking awesome.

 :metal :metal :metal

That song is like nothing Ive ever heard before.  I am completely blown away by the amazingness of that song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Summers on December 08, 2011, 05:17:54 AM
Listening to the record, and it sounds pretty good.

Dat spoken word section near the end, though... lol

I love the spoken word section.  wat do?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
So now Ive listened to it quite a few times to put the tracks in order of goodness to my ears:

Ghost River
Storytime
Song of Myself
Rest Calm
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl, and the Dove
Scaretale
Last Ride of the Day
Turn Loose the Mermaids
Imaginaerum
Arabesque
Taikatalvi
Slow, Love, Slow
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Volk9 on December 08, 2011, 08:21:24 PM
Only listened to the first 4 songs so far, but I really like it :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on December 09, 2011, 05:37:32 AM
I've had this for a while...still haven't given it a spin. I wonder if I'll enjoy the instrumental version of the album better. Anyone listened to it like that yet?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on December 09, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
Ok...



awesome album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 10, 2011, 01:09:10 AM
So now Ive listened to it quite a few times to put the tracks in order of goodness to my ears:

Ghost River
Storytime
Song of Myself
Rest Calm
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl, and the Dove
Scaretale
Last Ride of the Day
Turn Loose the Mermaids
Imaginaerum
Arabesque
Taikatalvi
Slow, Love, Slow

Slow, Love, Slow at the bottom??? Fail.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2011, 02:33:50 PM
So now Ive listened to it quite a few times to put the tracks in order of goodness to my ears:

Ghost River
Storytime
Song of Myself
Rest Calm
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl, and the Dove
Scaretale
Last Ride of the Day
Turn Loose the Mermaids
Imaginaerum
Arabesque
Taikatalvi
Slow, Love, Slow

Slow, Love, Slow at the bottom??? Fail.

Totally not into that song, although I listened to it today and Annette is killer on it and I really like when Marco is very quietly singing in the background, but the song just does nothing for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Volk9 on December 10, 2011, 02:37:38 PM
I thought SLS was awesome; good for them trying something different (and succeeding) :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 11, 2011, 01:11:54 AM
So now Ive listened to it quite a few times to put the tracks in order of goodness to my ears:

Ghost River
Storytime
Song of Myself
Rest Calm
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl, and the Dove
Scaretale
Last Ride of the Day
Turn Loose the Mermaids
Imaginaerum
Arabesque
Taikatalvi
Slow, Love, Slow

Slow, Love, Slow at the bottom??? Fail.

Totally not into that song, although I listened to it today and Annette is killer on it and I really like when Marco is very quietly singing in the background, but the song just does nothing for me.

lol I'm not knockin' you, to each their own. Slow, Love, Slow is probably my favorite off the album. It's so calm and beautiful. Anette sounds amazing on it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on December 11, 2011, 01:39:51 PM
This might seem like a dumb question, but is the movie going to be in English? Also, where will it be released?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 11, 2011, 10:28:58 PM
This might seem like a dumb question, but is the movie going to be in English? Also, where will it be released?

Yeah it'll be in English and I don't think it'll be in theaters in America, might be straight to dvd. In Finland, yeah, every theater I imagine lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on December 13, 2011, 05:30:35 AM
first spin beginning now....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on December 13, 2011, 06:37:52 AM
Enjoy Nightwish fans.
For the sake of this thread, I will not be posting in here again.

good rocking to all of you
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on December 14, 2011, 02:11:07 AM
 ???
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on December 14, 2011, 05:01:54 AM
I'm asuming he hated it that much.

With that being said. I've played this album 1-3 times a day for the last week.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2011, 05:33:14 AM
I'm asuming he hated it that much.


That was the conclusion I drew as well
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 14, 2011, 09:42:40 AM
I'm asuming he hated it that much.

With that being said. I've played this album 1-3 times a day for the last week.

Yes and yes, this album has been playing non stop for me.  There are a few parts I just cant get out of my head.

He will go down he will drown drown deeper down, the river wild will take your only child.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 14, 2011, 11:15:32 AM
I'm asuming he hated it that much.

With that being said. I've played this album 1-3 times a day for the last week.

Yes and yes, this album has been playing non stop for me.  There are a few parts I just cant get out of my head.

He will go down he will drown drown deeper down, the river wild will take your only child.

You spin me right round, baby right round like a record, baby Right round, round , round
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2011, 11:41:22 AM
I'm asuming he hated it that much.

With that being said. I've played this album 1-3 times a day for the last week.

Yes and yes, this album has been playing non stop for me.  There are a few parts I just cant get out of my head.

He will go down he will drown drown deeper down, the river wild will take your only child.

You spin me right round, baby right round like a record, baby Right round, round , round

Open up your lovin arms, watch out here I come.

Shit, how does a kid like you know/appreciate that?!?!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 14, 2011, 11:47:45 AM
I'm almost 27..... And I have ears. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2011, 12:00:35 PM
Just didn't know Dead or Alive got any exposure after the initial one-hit-wonder parade upon it's release.

Damn, you didn't look 27.  Apologies if you're offended; you're welcome if you're not.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 14, 2011, 12:04:59 PM
Just didn't know Dead or Alive got any exposure after the initial one-hit-wonder parade upon it's release.

Damn, you didn't look 27.  Apologies if you're offended; you're welcome if you're not.

Eh, no biggie. I get that all the time. I mean...

HOW DARE YOU SAY I LOOK YOUNG, YOU DAMN JORDAN LOOKIN' MOFO. I AM ALMOST 30. I AM NOT A LITTLE BOY!!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2011, 12:31:25 PM
Ok, back on track... re-listening again.  I think spider-man is way off.  This is good, and my initial take is that it's better than DPP.  The Grooveshark quality is pretty bad, so when I do finally get CD, I'm sure it'll be that much better.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Elaitch on December 28, 2011, 05:55:30 PM
Ok, back on track... re-listening again.  I think spider-man is way off.  This is good, and my initial take is that it's better than DPP.  The Grooveshark quality is pretty bad, so when I do finally get CD, I'm sure it'll be that much better.

Imaginaerum is hardly comparable to Dark Passion Play. It is like taking what was good with DPP and mixing it up with what was good with Once, along with some Danny Elfman-esque orchestrals and folk music, in a well-composed manner.

I think it's definitely one of the best albums of 2011 :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Vahvahenki on December 29, 2011, 03:58:01 PM
Just gave the new album a first spin and I have to admit, the songs fit Anette's style way better than DPP. Right when I wanted to give up on this band they surprise.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on December 29, 2011, 06:19:58 PM
Why can't these dudes tour the US?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 29, 2011, 11:49:44 PM
Why can't these dudes tour the US?

That's dudes and dudette*
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on December 30, 2011, 03:23:22 AM
I finally got Imaginaerum and have listened to it a few times. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not much of a NW fan anymore but was curious to hear this.

I think the album is pretty good but it's WAY too long - if the title-track, Storytime, Arabesque, Last Ride of the Day and the second half of Song of Myself were left out, this could be a solid album. There's still good stuff, though; my favorites are Rest Calm (which reminds me of Amorphis), Scaretale and Slow, Love, Slow. The more typical, safe NW songs didn't impress me that much but were ok. Another thing I have to criticize is that the guitars and drums aren't playing anything particularly interesting stuff, mostly power chords and basic rhythms, except on SLS. If there was no orchestra, these songs would sound quite hollow.

My album rating: 3/5
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on December 30, 2011, 12:17:05 PM
Basically I know only Nemo, Amaranth, Master Passion Greed and Wishmaster, so I got today Century Child and Imaginaerum (2CD). I hope that I like them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 30, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
If you like Tarja's voice on Nemo and/or Wishmaster, you will probably like Century Child, as the songwriting is top notch. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on December 30, 2011, 12:53:31 PM
She has an awesome voice, but I prefer Anette.

Oh, I forgot Sleeping Sun. And Storytime.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 30, 2011, 12:54:39 PM
Some people like her, and others are very put off by her.  If you are not put off by her voice, I really think you will love CC.  It is probably my favorite album of theirs, and I would consider it their most consistent.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 30, 2011, 12:58:31 PM
Century Child is indeed a great album. Sometimes I play it back-to-back with Once and it always makes Once sound even muddier than it already is lol. My favorite album is Dark Passion Play, can't live without it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 30, 2011, 01:09:03 PM
Century Child has my two favorite nightwish songs, beauty of the beast and ever dream, but I like once and wishmaster as better albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on December 30, 2011, 01:52:57 PM
Why can't these dudes tour the US?
What?  Since when don't they?  I saw them in Atlanta on the DPP tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on December 30, 2011, 02:27:52 PM
Why can't these dudes tour the US?
What?  Since when don't they?  I saw them in Atlanta on the DPP tour.

me too. I saw them 3 times on that tour. they do tour the US, they just don't have their dates up yet. The album isn't even out in America yet. So give it time.

@Bosk1, You are correct on CC being topnotch material. if they had continued with that musical style I would have been in a Nightwish hole for the rest of my life. But Wishmaster, Once and DPP are also great albums in comparison (leaving out production and likewise comparisons).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Elaitch on December 30, 2011, 03:04:30 PM
The album isn't even out in America yet. So give it time.

Oh right :D

You're in for a treat, I can promise you that much.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on December 30, 2011, 06:37:53 PM
When I said why can't they tour America...I kinda meant now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 31, 2011, 08:47:26 AM
If you like Tarja's voice on Nemo and/or Wishmaster, you will probably like Century Child, as the songwriting is top notch.

I'll continue to sayz it ... Century Child is the best them. No question. They're most balanced album (with Tarja).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Elaitch on January 02, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
If you like Tarja's voice on Nemo and/or Wishmaster, you will probably like Century Child, as the songwriting is top notch.

I'll continue to sayz it ... Century Child is the best them. No question. They're most balanced album (with Tarja).

What about Once?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on January 02, 2012, 11:02:21 AM
If you like Tarja's voice on Nemo and/or Wishmaster, you will probably like Century Child, as the songwriting is top notch.

I'll continue to sayz it ... Century Child is the best them. No question. They're most balanced album (with Tarja).

What about Once?

Once is very, very good; Century Child is great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 06, 2012, 01:10:42 PM
If you like Tarja's voice on Nemo and/or Wishmaster, you will probably like Century Child, as the songwriting is top notch.
I'll continue to sayz it ... Century Child is the best them. No question. They're most balanced album (with Tarja).
What about Once?
Once is very, very good; Century Child is great.
Ranking spree time?

Wishmaster
Once
Century Child
Dark Passion Play
Oceanborn
Angles Fall First
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 07, 2012, 01:45:04 AM
I think I'll update mine, the list keeps changing from time to time, but the top slot never changes:

Century Child
Wishmaster
Once
Dark Passion Play
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

I have no idea where Imaginaerum sits until I get the fucker on tuesday.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2012, 10:20:47 AM
Once
Wishmaster
Century child
Imaginearum
Oceanborn
Dark passion play
Angels fall first

Please note that imaginearum, oceanborn, and dark passion play are fairly interchangeable in those spots.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 07, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Dark Passion Play
Imaginaerum
Century Child
Once
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Vahvahenki on January 07, 2012, 03:50:44 PM
Oceanborn

Century Child
Once
Wishmaster

Imaginaerum
Dark Passion Play
Angels Fall First
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
Dark Passion Play
Imaginaerum
Century Child
Once
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

Someone loves Annette
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 07, 2012, 05:10:58 PM
Dark Passion Play
Imaginaerum
Century Child
Once
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

Someone loves Annette

Is that a problem?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2012, 05:21:29 PM
Dark Passion Play
Imaginaerum
Century Child
Once
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

Someone loves Annette

Is that a problem?

Nope, an observation thats all.  I like Annette as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 07, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Dark Passion Play
Imaginaerum
Century Child
Once
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

Someone loves Annette

Is that a problem?

Nope, an observation thats all.  I like Annette as well.

Me too. Imaginaerum might be my favorite album of theirs. I like her Alyson Avenue stuff too. The first album more so.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Elaitch on January 07, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
Imaginaerum
Once
Century Child
Dark Passion Play
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

I think Imaginaerum is the freakin' beast, followed close by Once... and I have a special kind of love for Nightwish with live orchestra as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 08, 2012, 01:53:57 AM
Dark Passion Play
Imaginaerum
Century Child
Once
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

Someone loves Annette
I actually love both singers equally. I just like the direction they're going in musically right now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 08, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
I think Imaginaerum is by and large the best album to come out of 2011, even though admittedly it is not coming out in the US for a few more days. I would be happy if Nightwish just played this entire album and walked off the stage.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on January 08, 2012, 03:34:47 PM
I think it's so painfully stupid that the record company decides to release the album over a month late in the US. It's like they want people to illegally download the album. I just don't understand it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 09, 2012, 01:57:22 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if this turned out to be a psychological test, and we're the subjects?
"The long-term and short-term effects of differing release dates between European and American 'fanbases' in the heavy metal community", or "Suck it, America" for short.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: blackngold29 on January 09, 2012, 04:40:35 PM
Loving Imaginaerum. Seems to be the perfect balance of pushing into new territory ("Slow, Love, Slow"  and "Song of Myself") and the traditional Nightwish sound ("I Want My Tears Back" and "Storytime"). Really excited to see the movie.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Elaitch on January 10, 2012, 07:20:33 AM
Loving Imaginaerum. Seems to be the perfect balance of pushing into new territory ("Slow, Love, Slow"  and "Song of Myself") and the traditional Nightwish sound ("I Want My Tears Back" and "Storytime"). Really excited to see the movie.

So I reckon the album is now released in the US? About time :D

I don't think the album lacks a bad song. They're all beautifully pulled off and put together, I think. The only thing that bugs me is that they put the title track, which is in my opinion more of an overture, last on the album; I think it should've been the album opener. I saw a track-by-track video with Tuomas where he described it as a "song for the credits" (somewhat paraphrasing since I don't remember his exact words)... and well, can't say I agree with that.

Otherwise, I love it. I think it is their best album to date.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 10, 2012, 12:08:33 PM
If you agree with "song for the credits," then why wouldn't you agree with it being last?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TimelessSymphony on January 10, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
Well to be honest i really like Anette's vocals on Imaginaerium since it was an amazing album  :metal her highlights would probably be: Storytime, Scaretale, Song for My Self, Last Ride of The Day and this album would be my favorite of nightwish :).. They did an amazing job so far!!.. hopefully they will do an American Tour this year or next year so i can see them :]!!..

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 11, 2012, 04:57:36 AM
I think the point he is trying to make is that although it is a nice way to end the album, it should have stood more for an overture than an ending credit score.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 11, 2012, 11:16:15 AM
Picked this up last night and listened to the first six tracks.  Am spinning it again now.  Interesting.  I already like it more than DPP.  One thing I noticed right off the bat, which I called from the very first time I heard DPP:  Unlike the last album, it is clear that these songs are written with Anette's voice in mind, which makes the vocal parts fit better with the music and takes this album up a notch right off the bat.  I will also say that Tuomas is really a very good song writer.  I may not always like or agree with his artistic choices, but I have to admit that he is incredibly talented in the writing department.  More commentary after I've listened a bit more...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
I agree about Tuomas, the guy is a genuis. The thing about Nightwish that you cant say about most bands, every album is good. Even with a changing sound and different singer, nightwish albums are consistently good. Its a testament to how good Tuomas is IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Elaitch on January 11, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
If you agree with "song for the credits," then why wouldn't you agree with it being last?

If you had been more attentive, you would've seen that I said I didn't agree with it :)

I think the point he is trying to make is that although it is a nice way to end the album, it should have stood more for an overture than an ending credit score.

Exactly  :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 11, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Oh well.  You can't fool me, but I sure can fool myself.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on January 11, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
My sis bought a ton of the songs from Imaginareum and she likes them a lot  :metal
I have yet to listen though.
She did come up to me this morning and was like, "Nattallie...in Ghost River, Marco sounds like he's GROWLING!" and I was like  :eek
No idea if he is or not though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 11, 2012, 08:08:43 PM
Bought this yesterday. :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 11, 2012, 08:39:45 PM
Still waiting for my copy to come in from Amazon.  :(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 11, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
This album is just too damn good. I've had to listen to it a good 30 times by now and it still has me singing along to every word.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 12, 2012, 12:10:12 AM
This album is just too damn good. I've had to listen to it a good 30 times by now and it still has me singing along to every word.

Hell yeah! :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 12, 2012, 07:16:00 AM
Still waiting for my copy to come in from Amazon.  :(
Get it yet?  Mine is supposed to arrive today from Amazon.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 12, 2012, 02:46:37 PM
I am learning all the chorus parts faster than ever, so they better get their asses to America fast before I forget them all over again and listen to over 12 more times and learn it again only to be disappointed they aren't here yet.

Imaginaerum is officially my 2nd favorite Nightwish album. That's really saying something to Tuomas' compositional work on this album. The band is in prime and I want to see where they go next!

Not enough good things can be said about the band at this point in time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 12, 2012, 04:23:41 PM
Still waiting for my copy to come in from Amazon.  :(
Get it yet?  Mine is supposed to arrive today from Amazon.
I hope so!

I'll find out when I get home from work.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on January 13, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
Nightwish newbie here.  I've heard Nemo, Planet Hell, Amaranth, Wishmaster, and now Storytime.  I've really liked those songs since I first heard them, but for some reason never really had the motivation to check out more of the band.  Now I intend to get Imaginaerum, both because I really enjoyed Storytime and because 'Nightwish - Imaginaerum' is one of the coolest band name/album title combinations I've ever heard. 

While I'm getting Imaginaerum, I intend to get one other Nightwish album as well.  I'm looking for recommendations on where the best place to start would be.  I may end up buying all of them in the long run, but right now I just want to start with one (besides Imaginaerum).  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 13, 2012, 09:26:08 AM
Pick from Century Child, Once, and Wishmaster.  They're usually the three highest ranked Tarja albums in this thread, so you probably won't go wrong with any of them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 13, 2012, 09:28:11 AM
Assuming you liked Nemo and Planet Hell, I would go with Once, since both of those songs come from that album and, along with Imaginaerium, you would have an album with each of their singers, so you would have a decent overview of their sound with each of them.  Or if you want to go with an album you haven't heard anything from yet, I would recommend Century Child--their best album, IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on January 13, 2012, 09:43:25 AM
Yeah, you can't go wrong with either CC or Once.

Still have to get Imaginaerium (beyond what's on Grooveshark)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on January 13, 2012, 09:44:32 AM
Alright, thanks peoples. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 13, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
Still waiting for my copy to come in from Amazon.  :(
Get it yet?  Mine is supposed to arrive today from Amazon.
I hope so!

I'll find out when I get home from work.
Bah! Still waiting.

Hopefully tomorrow is the day!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 13, 2012, 12:37:04 PM
I got mine. :)  It's nice, probably a decent step above Dark Passion Play, but no question I prefer their best albums with Tarja, still.  At least this time most of the songs sound like they knew who the singer was.  Fun album, catchy writing, but not amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on January 14, 2012, 06:25:49 AM
Probably an unpopular opinion, but Imaginaerum is definitely my favorite Nightwish album. I absolutely love every song. It had even motivated me to get that cd/tshirt/signed poster bundle. I really love Anette on this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on January 14, 2012, 01:33:23 PM
Back again with a second question, still trying to decide what I'm going to get. 

Between Once and Century Child, which album does Marco do more singing on?  I ask because I'm in love with Planet Hell, and I think it has a lot to do with his vocals in combination with Tarja's. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 14, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Back again with a second question, still trying to decide what I'm going to get. 

Between Once and Century Child, which album does Marco do more singing on?  I ask because I'm in love with Planet Hell, and I think it has a lot to do with his vocals in combination with Tarja's.

Without listening and comparing closely, I think they're pretty much equal.

But if I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 14, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
I don't know, either, but I would guess Once.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 15, 2012, 03:46:12 AM
Back again with a second question, still trying to decide what I'm going to get. 

Between Once and Century Child, which album does Marco do more singing on?  I ask because I'm in love with Planet Hell, and I think it has a lot to do with his vocals in combination with Tarja's.

When it comes to Marco singing, Once has more, IMHO. But, if you want to delve deeper into Tarja's vocal capacity, I highly recommned Century Child. I consider it her prime and my favorite album from them by far. Course, I'm a total fanboy when it comes to that album, so choose at your own discretion.
But when all is said and done, get CC as soon as possible. You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2012, 12:39:43 PM
I think Marco is used close to the same on Once and CC but has been used much more on the two Annette albums.  Im a very big fan of his, but i dont really enjoy Master Passion Greed and the Islander. I like him much more as a compliment singer, I Want My Tears Back, The Phantom of the Opera, Dead to the World, Slaying the Dreamer, The Siren, Planet Hell... some of my favorites with Marco.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on January 17, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
Thanks a bunch for the input everyone.  The decision ended up being made for me by the fact that the store I went to didn't have Century Child.  So I got Once.  Definitely a great album, though I think I actually perfer Imaginaerum myself. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2012, 04:54:43 PM
Still, nice pickup.  I can't recall whether or not you like live CD/DVD's, but their End Of An Era set is very good.  Lots of material from Once and Century Child with some older stuff mixed in as well.  In a way, the vocals remind me of LSFNY in that Tarja and Marco are both sound a bit weak and shaky the first couple of songs (both were sick and lost their voices), but a few songs in, they are both  :o

First song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVNtnOFdP4Y

Midway through the show (and this is a song you haven't heard):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvm6fc3z0GM
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on January 17, 2012, 05:05:07 PM
Cool, thanks.  I'm usually not too big on live CD/DVDs, but I certainly don't blame you for not knowing that, and anyway, I do like a few exceptional ones.  So, I'll be sure to check out those links.  Thank you very much. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2012, 05:17:09 PM
I think you can get a good feel for their live show, which is quite good, IMO.  They also have 3 covers in that set, and it's a pretty diverse set of sources that they cover:
-High Hopes (Pink Floyd)
-Phantom of the Opera (Andrew Lloyd Webber--a studio version of this is on Century Child, and this is THE song that hooked me on this band back in the day)
-Over The Hills And Far Away (Gary Moore)

Covers are generally hit and miss for me, but they just nail all of those songs.  Pretty sure the whole show is on YouTube, so you can just keep clicking links or searching if you do happen to like the two I posted above.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
Agree with Bosk, I have the DVD and its fantastic.  They put on a great show and chose a very solid set list.  I very much like Creek Mary's Blood on the DVD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Sintheros on January 18, 2012, 02:07:04 AM
The Crow, The Owl, and The Dove is possibly better than the rest of the album put together.

That is all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 18, 2012, 03:02:10 AM
Agree with Bosk, I have the DVD and its fantastic.  They put on a great show and chose a very solid set list.  I very much like Creek Mary's Blood on the DVD.

Creek Mary's Blood was amazing live as well......THED6 and myself had the very great pleasure of seeing it live in a small tiny club which held only like 200 people. John Two-Hawks was there as well.......it was so awesome!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2012, 07:08:20 AM
Slow, Love, Slow really reminds me of Siouxsie & the Banshees. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: blackngold29 on January 19, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Anyone hear anything about US tour dates? Imaginerium seems like it would be great live. They have one show in Georgia listed on their site, that's it.


Also, yes End of an Era is fantastic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 19, 2012, 05:47:36 PM
Georgia?

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: blackngold29 on January 19, 2012, 05:52:28 PM
Georgia?
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 19, 2012, 06:08:53 PM
I don't see it, dude. It really makes no sense to be honest. They are playing in Cali and then on that cruise thing. From there, they head to Europe. I was thinking you might've been thinking about Georgia in Europe, but I checked their dates, and it is not there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 19, 2012, 08:16:19 PM
Georgia?
My thoughts exactly.
I saw them in Atlanta, and don't forget ProgPower is here, not some 'cooler' US locale.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2012, 09:26:10 PM
Georgia?
My thoughts exactly.
I saw them in Atlanta, and don't forget ProgPower is here, not some 'cooler' US locale.

I wish that were in NYC...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 19, 2012, 10:29:12 PM
There was previously a Georgia date as I recall, but it's Georgia, Europe--not Georgia, U.S.  And, yeah, there has been no word of a U.S. tour yet.  From the looks of it, they probably won't make it out here until Fall or early winder, or in 2013 (other than the Los Angeles date).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 19, 2012, 11:23:40 PM
There was previously a Georgia date as I recall, but it's Georgia, Europe--not Georgia, U.S.  And, yeah, there has been no word of a U.S. tour yet.  From the looks of it, they probably won't make it out here until Fall or early winder, or in 2013 (other than the Los Angeles date).

You mean to tell me that I'm going to have a Nightwish boner until late 2012, early 2013 latest? Shit! I'm gonna be blueballng like a bitch if it takes that long.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 20, 2012, 12:02:09 AM
There was previously a Georgia date as I recall, but it's Georgia, Europe--not Georgia, U.S.  And, yeah, there has been no word of a U.S. tour yet.  From the looks of it, they probably won't make it out here until Fall or early winder, or in 2013 (other than the Los Angeles date).

You mean to tell me that I'm going to have a Nightwish boner until late 2012, early 2013 latest? Shit! I'm gonna be blueballng like a bitch if it takes that long.

Yeah me too, since we live 2 blocks away and we're going together lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 20, 2012, 12:05:09 AM
and as much as you are my brah, and we all need a little release, I'm pretty sure there's no way to remedy this situation without balls touching.

(https://thetangential.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Cosby6.gif)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on January 20, 2012, 07:09:56 AM
There was previously a Georgia date as I recall, but it's Georgia, Europe--not Georgia, U.S.  And, yeah, there has been no word of a U.S. tour yet.  From the looks of it, they probably won't make it out here until Fall or early winder, or in 2013 (other than the Los Angeles date).

You mean to tell me that I'm going to have a Nightwish boner until late 2012, early 2013 latest? Shit! I'm gonna be blueballng like a bitch if it takes that long.
Don't worry, this album can't possibly keep you interested for that long.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 20, 2012, 07:23:45 AM
Trolololo
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 20, 2012, 12:56:25 PM
Setlist from the 'secret gig' on 1/19:

Storytime
Wish I Had An Angel
Amaranth
Scaretale
The Siren
Slow, Love, Slow
~Enter Troy~
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
The Islander (acoustic)
Nemo (acoustic)
Last Of The Wilds
~Exit Troy~
Planet Hell
Song Of Myself
Last Ride Of The Day

Encore:
The Poet And The Pendulum
Over The Hills And Far Away (with Troy)

......Good set, but it's pretty sad that there's nothing from the first four albums!!  >:(

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 20, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
Setlist from the 'secret gig' on 1/19:

Storytime
Wish I Had An Angel
Amaranth
Scaretale
The Siren
Slow, Love, Slow
~Enter Troy~
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
The Islander (acoustic)
Nemo (acoustic)
Last Of The Wilds
~Exit Troy~
Planet Hell
Song Of Myself
Last Ride Of The Day

Encore:
The Poet And The Pendulum
Over The Hills And Far Away (with Troy)

......Good set, but it's pretty sad that there's nothing from the first four albums!!  >:(



That is a good set... Probably because Annette can't sing the songs maybe?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 20, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Setlist from the 'secret gig' on 1/19:

Storytime
Wish I Had An Angel
Amaranth
Scaretale
The Siren
Slow, Love, Slow
~Enter Troy~
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
The Islander (acoustic)
Nemo (acoustic)
Last Of The Wilds
~Exit Troy~
Planet Hell
Song Of Myself
Last Ride Of The Day

Encore:
The Poet And The Pendulum
Over The Hills And Far Away (with Troy)

......Good set, but it's pretty sad that there's nothing from the first four albums!!  >:(



That is a good set... Probably because Annette can't sing the songs maybe?

Nonsense.....when I saw them on the DPP tour she sang, Wishmaster, Sacrament Of wilderness, Come Cover Me, Ever Dream, Sleeping Sun and more lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 20, 2012, 01:11:58 PM
Setlist from the 'secret gig' on 1/19:

Storytime
Wish I Had An Angel
Amaranth
Scaretale
The Siren
Slow, Love, Slow
~Enter Troy~
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
The Islander (acoustic)
Nemo (acoustic)
Last Of The Wilds
~Exit Troy~
Planet Hell
Song Of Myself
Last Ride Of The Day

Encore:
The Poet And The Pendulum
Over The Hills And Far Away (with Troy)

......Good set, but it's pretty sad that there's nothing from the first four albums!!  >:(



That is a good set... Probably because Annette can't sing the songs maybe?

Nonsense.....when I saw them on the DPP tour she sang, Wishmaster, Sacrament Of wilderness, Come Cover Me, Ever Dream, Sleeping Sun and more lol

Well from reading about Annette's poor performances and never seeing them live, assumptions are made.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 20, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
Setlist from the 'secret gig' on 1/19:

Storytime
Wish I Had An Angel
Amaranth
Scaretale
The Siren
Slow, Love, Slow
~Enter Troy~
I Want My Tears Back
The Crow, The Owl And The Dove
The Islander (acoustic)
Nemo (acoustic)
Last Of The Wilds
~Exit Troy~
Planet Hell
Song Of Myself
Last Ride Of The Day

Encore:
The Poet And The Pendulum
Over The Hills And Far Away (with Troy)

......Good set, but it's pretty sad that there's nothing from the first four albums!!  >:(



That is a good set... Probably because Annette can't sing the songs maybe?

Nonsense.....when I saw them on the DPP tour she sang, Wishmaster, Sacrament Of wilderness, Come Cover Me, Ever Dream, Sleeping Sun and more lol

Well from reading about Annette's poor performances and never seeing them live, assumptions are made.

True that lol
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Post by: Jaffa on January 20, 2012, 01:19:11 PM
I approve of that setlist because it has literally all of the songs I consider favorites at this early stage of my being a fan of these guys. 
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Post by: 73109 on January 20, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
Hi, despite the fact that I love the two Nightwish albums I own, I don't know much about the band. I know the names of like 3 of the people in the band. That brings me to this...who is Troy?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 20, 2012, 01:24:43 PM
Hi, despite the fact that I love the two Nightwish albums I own, I don't know much about the band. I know the names of like 3 of the people in the band. That brings me to this...who is Troy?

Troy Donockley is the man who played the Uilleann pipes and whistles on the last 2 or 3 albums. They are bringing him with on this tour as a guest.
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Post by: yorost on January 20, 2012, 01:31:46 PM
......Good set, but it's pretty sad that there's nothing from the first four albums!!  >:([/size]


That is a good set... Probably because Annette can't sing the songs maybe?
Annette sounded a lot better on the older material than I expected, when I saw them on the DPP tour.  Definite down step from the albums, but it worked well enough since older material didn't dominate the set.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2012, 01:39:06 PM

I am one of the few who really likes Annette's vocals on the old songs. She sings them very differently, but I like her version of it. I have a couple boots and I really like her on Ever Dream, the Siren, and Nemo.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 20, 2012, 01:52:34 PM

I am one of the few who really likes Annette's vocals on the old songs. She sings them very differently, but I like her version of it. I have a couple boots and I really like her on Ever Dream, the Siren, and Nemo.

Not alone, I agree. She sang Sacrament Of Wilderness better I think.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 21, 2012, 04:22:35 AM
As much as I am a negative fan of the setlist, it's probably a good thing they're not doing much from their earlier albums. Fans' critical reaction to her ability to cover the older material have spoken. Maybe it is time for a change. I mean, hell, Geddy doesn't like playing anything from the first three RUSH albums, perhaps the first three albums of Nightwish should be held off for (dare I say) a reunion tour.

inb4 reunion tour will never happen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 21, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
I hope it never happens.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 21, 2012, 09:22:41 AM
I dont think its a good idea to ignore the early albums, they just need to find a couple songs that they enjoy playing with her and not listen to the critics, cant make everyone happy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 21, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
I though Anette sounded stellar singing all of the Tarja tunes, there wasn't one I thought she did bad. Obviously she didn't sing them as well as Tarja, but she did do a good job, and I think they should always divide the setlists evenly between all of the albums save for whatever album they're touring for (in this case, Imaginaerum) which is gonna get the most play time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 21, 2012, 07:27:47 PM
Tonight, I listen to all of Once and Century Child.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 21, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
So...you want a cookie?
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Post by: 73109 on January 21, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
No, I was just stating that I was planning on listening to them. Listened to Once. It was alright. I Wish I Had An Angel and Planet Hell are killer songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 22, 2012, 01:54:58 AM
Ghost Love Score will take over your life if you let it.
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Post by: adace on January 22, 2012, 02:25:48 AM
Just got back from the concert. Had an absolute blast.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on January 22, 2012, 09:43:40 AM
I see they kept the set the same from the night before. I hope it stays like that.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
I havent checked since Im at work, but I hope to see some high quality youtube videos
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Post by: bosk1 on January 22, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
No, I was just stating that I was planning on listening to them. Listened to Once. It was alright. I Wish I Had An Angel and Planet Hell are killer songs.
Did you like CC?
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 23, 2012, 04:44:20 AM
Just got back from the concert. Had an absolute blast.

I kinda hate you right now. But it's ok. Glad you enjoyed the show  :coolio
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2012, 11:24:28 AM
So it seems most if not all of the first show was shot by three professional videographers and its on youtube in hd... i was a few of the new songs and they are great. The club is small and theres no stage show so its very intimate setting and the band sounded great. It looks like Annette put on a few pounds.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 25, 2012, 11:31:35 AM
link?  nao?
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Post by: Gadough on January 25, 2012, 01:45:02 PM
It looks like Annette put on a few pounds.

Well I mean hasn't she had a baby recently?
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Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2012, 02:16:47 PM
Im at work so I cant get to youtube, but i searched "Nightwish live 2012" and they came right up. Videos arent edited, but are in 1080p and sound good.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 25, 2012, 03:57:46 PM
It looks like Annette put on a few pounds.

Well I mean hasn't she had a baby recently?

Um...no.  ???
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on January 25, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
Really? I could have sworn she had a baby at some point last year.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 25, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
I don't believe so, but maybe I'm mistaken.  Are you sure you aren't thinking of Sharon from Within Temptation?  She actually cranked out two babies in between albums.
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Post by: Zook on January 25, 2012, 04:05:26 PM
So that settles it then. Annette is just a fatty fatty bo batty.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on January 25, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
I don't believe so, but maybe I'm mistaken.  Are you sure you aren't thinking of Sharon from Within Temptation?  She actually cranked out two babies in between albums.

I don't even know anymore man. I can't keep track of all these women having babies all the damn time.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2012, 04:37:57 PM
FYI, the comment about her weight I made was not a shot at her and I dont think she is fat. I just noticed she looked a bit bigger, and Im over weight so Im certainly not knocking her. As to whether or not she had a baby, I have no clue.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 25, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
Don't know. Don't care. Still Hot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2012, 07:58:03 PM
Hot? Really? I dont think she is that good looking, but I think she is very attractive because her voice is amazing, if that makes sense.
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Post by: Zook on January 25, 2012, 07:59:19 PM
Hot? Really? I dont think she is that good looking, but I think she is very attractive because her voice is amazing, if that makes sense.

Yeah I don't think she's the greatest looking but I love the way she dances. So sexy.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2012, 11:07:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/user/DerMetalKrieger (https://www.youtube.com/user/DerMetalKrieger)

This guy was the one I referenced earlier, his videos are really good and in 1080p.  I won't say which songs are on here for spoilers.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 26, 2012, 12:07:46 AM
I believe Anette had a baby while they were developing the songs for Imaginaerum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: njdtfan on January 27, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Absolutely LOVE this CD. Been listening to it daily since the day it came out.
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Post by: Jaffa on January 27, 2012, 01:20:54 PM
Funnily enough, half of the songs I wasn't too keen on at first have become favorites of mine after repeated listens.  I now love about 90% of this album, and just 'like' the rest. 

EDIT:  Speaking of Imaginaerum, by the way.
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Post by: 73109 on January 28, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
I showed Sarah Ghost River last night...these are her FB comments on my wall:

(https://puu.sh/eVJu)
(https://puu.sh/eVJI)
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Post by: Gadough on January 28, 2012, 06:43:50 PM
The second half of Song Of Myself is so moving. The narration is executed flawlessly.

I believe Anette had a baby while they were developing the songs for Imaginaerum.

I knew I wasn't crazy!
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 30, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
My sister is a nightwish fan too, and she hasn't heard Imaginaerum at all. Against my better judgment, I lent her the album. If it does not return in one piece, I am going to rage like a fucking madman.

that is all.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 30, 2012, 05:18:12 PM
I believe Anette had a baby while they were developing the songs for Imaginaerum.

I knew I wasn't crazy!
[/quote]

Yeah I remember seeing updates from Tuomas when they were rehearsing the new songs in Finland and he was saying it was just the guys and Anette would join them later cause she was still out with her newborn.
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Post by: VioletS16 on January 30, 2012, 05:26:54 PM
My sister is a nightwish fan too, and she hasn't heard Imaginaerum at all. Against my better judgment, I lent her the album. If it does not return in one piece, I am going to rage like a  @#!*%  madman.

that is all.
My sis is a huge Nightwish fan too. She's 9 years old and this is the only metal band she likes and has a bunch of songs from Imaginaerum with a few exceptions. She LOVES The Owl, The Crow and the Dove, Last Ride of the Day, Rest Calm, Turn Loose the Mermaids and I Want My Tears Back the most. They are the only band she listens to. A few months ago she was listening to Lenka, the Plain White Tees and Selena Gomez. I'm proud of her  :biggrin:
I love Ghost River  :metal :metal :metal

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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 30, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
Little sisters around the world should listen to what Tuomas has to play. It's the only proper way to be a sister. By the way, how do I pronounce @#!*%?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 31, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
THIS FUCKING ALBUM IS AMAZING.






Alright, now you can proceed with your discussions gentlemen.
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Post by: TimelessSymphony on January 31, 2012, 09:46:21 AM
THIS FUCKING ALBUM IS AMAZING.






Alright, now you can proceed with your discussions gentlemen.

I accept your comment you good sir  :hefdaddy !!...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2012, 10:41:36 AM
I cant stop watching them live on youtube. They are so damn good. They NEED to come to NYC.
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Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
I admit my expectations for this were that it would be ok, but not great.  Glad I was wrong.  I guess all Tuomas had to do was write music to Annette's strengths.  Leaps and bounds better than DPP (not that it would have taken much), and will probably end up being a top 3 Nightwish album in the end.  Looking forward to getting this some more spins.

EDIT:  I decided I needed to listen to this again immediately.  The full track of of Storytime is so much better than the shortened version they made a video for.  This album fucking slays.  :metal
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Post by: Shadow2222 on January 31, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
I'm loving the fantastic lyrics on this album. I really really love them.
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Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 10:40:14 PM
Storyland might be the best Nightwish song ever...Annette's great, the instrumental part they cut from the single version is one of the best in their catalog, and the chorus and backing vocals are perfect...I find myself the back button alot and re-listening to the song.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2012, 11:05:05 PM
Storyland might be the best Nightwish song ever...Annette's great, the instrumental part they cut from the single version is one of the best in their catalog, and the chorus and backing vocals are perfect...I find myself the back button alot and re-listening to the song.

not familier with that track, must be a b-side?   :biggrin: I think it's my favorite Annette song in which there is no Marco. My favorite Nightwish song with both is probably Ghost River.
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Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
I blame auto-correct.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on February 02, 2012, 04:25:12 PM
Really? I blame Storyland. That song slays!
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Post by: VioletS16 on February 02, 2012, 08:43:38 PM
Really? I could have sworn she had a baby at some point last year.
She had a baby in July 2010 named Nemo. my sis told me  :lol
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Post by: VioletS16 on February 02, 2012, 08:44:36 PM
Little sisters around the world should listen to what Tuomas has to play. It's the only proper way to be a sister. By the way, how do I pronounce @#!*%?
Read my sig  :blush

EDIT: oops so sorry for double post!
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on February 03, 2012, 04:24:58 AM
 :rollin Dude that sucks. I was going to type out a long lit of swears but I think that would derail the topic.

When Nemo grows up she's gonna hear the Nightwish song and be all like, "Really, mom? Really?"

Edit: I take it back, I wouldn't even be that disappointed cause that song owns.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamesman42 on February 03, 2012, 11:00:51 PM
Thanks to DTVT, I am binging on some Nightwish. The new album has been given some plays and I am back tracking to some DPP and a couple of my favorite Tarja-era songs.

I WANT MY TEARS BACK
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Post by: Sintheros on February 13, 2012, 03:13:11 AM
So the second half of Song of Myself is just about as emotional as music's ever made me.
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Post by: Gadough on February 13, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
So the second half of Song of Myself is just about as emotional as music's ever made me.

Hell yes. Absolutely masterful narration.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2012, 09:31:36 AM
Pretty good live Scaretale video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EmpS8E7d30&feature=g-vrec&context=G275438bRVAAAAAAAAAQ
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 05, 2012, 09:44:15 AM
I love Scaretale and Ghost River The Child choir really adds that haunting feel to it. I really hope the movie comes through.
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Post by: WindMaster on April 05, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
This band is fucking awesome. Imaginaerum is the best them. Favorite track is probably all of them.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2012, 03:43:39 PM
I love Scaretale and Ghost River The Child choir really adds that haunting feel to it. I really hope the movie comes through.

I love the child choir. I really hope they do a US tour.

Pretty good live Scaretale video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EmpS8E7d30&feature=g-vrec&context=G275438bRVAAAAAAAAAQ

 :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: TimelessSymphony on April 05, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
Pretty good live Scaretale video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EmpS8E7d30&feature=g-vrec&context=G275438bRVAAAAAAAAAQ

That was a pretty bad ass video of the song  :metal i can't wait for Nightwish to come here in Canada :D!!..

they are going to release a "Tour Edition" of the album i think somewhere in april, and they added an "Orchestral Version" of the album!!.. here's some samples of it :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71YuCyFFNU8
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Post by: Shadow2222 on April 06, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
^ Very excited for that, I jhst wish I could buy it and the DVD separately from the regular CD. I'm gonna have a ton of regular Imaginaerum CDs laying around  :lol
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Post by: Elaitch on April 07, 2012, 03:49:29 PM
Pretty good live Scaretale video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EmpS8E7d30&feature=g-vrec&context=G275438bRVAAAAAAAAAQ

That was a pretty bad ass video of the song  :metal i can't wait for Nightwish to come here in Canada :D!!..

they are going to release a "Tour Edition" of the album i think somewhere in april, and they added an "Orchestral Version" of the album!!.. here's some samples of it :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71YuCyFFNU8

Can't really see the orchestral version being much different from the already released instrumental version of the album ;P It's probably due to the dubious quality of the video, but it sounds kind of... thin? Like they simply just removed the drum/guitar/bass/vocal tracks and slightly remixed the orchestal parts.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2012, 01:05:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNeU88p8Zg&feature=colike

Definitely should check that out.  Studio quality sound of Planet Hell with Annette, recorded during the tour rehersal.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2012, 03:31:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNeU88p8Zg&feature=colike

Definitely should check that out.  Studio quality sound of Planet Hell with Annette, recorded during the tour rehersal.

I wouldn't call that studio quality.  But that aside, that was cool.  I am pleasantly surprised by how good Anette's non-operatic style suits the song and takes it to a different place.

But...is that a "Nightwish" tat on her arm?  :facepalm:  Maybe it's just me, but...I think it's a really bad idea to get the band's name tattooed on you when you are a replacement member for a member who was previously fired. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNeU88p8Zg&feature=colike

Definitely should check that out.  Studio quality sound of Planet Hell with Annette, recorded during the tour rehersal.

I wouldn't call that studio quality.  But that aside, that was cool.  I am pleasantly surprised by how good Anette's non-operatic style suits the song and takes it to a different place.

But...is that a "Nightwish" tat on her arm?  :facepalm:  Maybe it's just me, but...I think it's a really bad idea to get the band's name tattooed on you when you are a replacement member for a member who was previously fired.

Agree with you there Bosk.  And as for her vocals... I'm torn.  They weren't bad, but it's this song that I discovered Nightwish with.  Coupled with the killer version from End of An Era, I just can't get used to anything but Tarja (and that yellow robe!!! :drool:)
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Post by: bosk1 on April 12, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
And as for her vocals... I'm torn.  They weren't bad, but it's this song that I discovered Nightwish with.  Coupled with the killer version from End of An Era, I just can't get used to anything but Tarja (and that yellow robe!!! :drool:)

I definitely understand.  I got into them around that same time.  It was before End Of An Era came out, but I had seen live videos of Phantom Of The Opera and Planet Hell from Lowlands (same tour; same outfit), and those were what hooked me on the band.  That's why I said I was "pleasantly surprised."  To me, Tarja owns that song.  I never could have even really imagined Anette doing it justice.  But even though it is different with her on it, I think it sounds really good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2012, 07:38:00 PM
You know, I instantly bought Imaginarium the day it came out, and I haven't even spun the cd once.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2012, 08:31:48 PM
:justjenwi
You know, I instantly bought Imaginarium the day it came out, and I haven't even spun the cd once.

 :huh:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: WindMaster on April 13, 2012, 05:50:55 AM
You know, I instantly bought Imaginarium the day it came out, and I haven't even spun the cd once.
wut
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Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2012, 05:51:48 AM
Yeah, it's true, crazy hey.  man, I have a cd buying obsession.  I need to spin the cd.
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Post by: WindMaster on April 13, 2012, 05:53:08 AM
Hell yeah you do.
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Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2012, 05:54:42 AM
 :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/nightwish-tour-20120420 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/nightwish-tour-20120420)

Quote
Nightwish has announced their North American tour dates for 2012 in support of their latest album, Imaginaerum. These will be their only U.S. shows in 2012. All shows will feature Kamelot as opening band.
 

Here are the dates:
 
 
 
9/12/2012 Center Stage Atlanta, GA
9/13/2012 Center Stage Atlanta, GA
9/15/2012 Beacon Theatre New York, NY
9/16/2012 Electric Factory Philadelphia, PA
9/17/2012 The Palladium Worcester, MA
9/21/2012 Newport Music Hall Columbus, OH
9/23/2012 Royal Oak Music Theatre Royal Oak, MI
9/24/2012 Congress Theatre Chicago, IL
9/25/2012 Pop's Sauget, IL
9/27/2012 The Beaumont Kansas City, MO
9/28/2012 Ogden Theatre Denver, CO
9/29/2012 The Complex Salt Lake City, UT
10/1/2012 Showbox SoDo Seattle, WA
10/2/2012 Crystal Ballroom, The Portland, OR
10/3/2012 The Warfield San Francisco, CA
10/5/2012 The Grove Anaheim, CA
10/6/2012 House Of Blues San Diego, CA
10/7/2012 Marquee Theatre Tempe, AZ
10/9/2012 Diamond Ballroom Oklahoma City, OK
10/10/2012 Emo's Austin, TX
10/11/2012 House of Blues New Orleans, LA
10/13/2012 Revolution Ft. Lauderdale, FL
10/14/2012 House of Blues Lake Buena Vista, FL
 

Pre-orders are available now! And don't forget to grab a copy of Trials of Imaginaerum, the limited edition Nightwish Record Store Day 10" with demo versions (featuring vocals by bassist Marco Hietala) of four Imaginaerum cuts!

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

Cant wait to see them and although I dont know whos Kamelot vocalist will be, I am really pumped to see them too. And at the Beacon  :biggrin:
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Post by: WindMaster on April 20, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Hm, might be able to see them in Atlanta.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 20, 2012, 02:40:38 PM
Chicago!!!  :metal
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Post by: Zook on April 20, 2012, 03:09:45 PM
OH MY FUCK THEY'RE COMING TO AZ!
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Post by: Adami on April 20, 2012, 04:06:15 PM
I will go.

Has Kamelot even announced their singer?
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 20, 2012, 04:08:23 PM
October 01. I might need to mark this down on the calendar.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on April 20, 2012, 05:17:00 PM
NY date on roadrunner but no NY date on website...what do?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 20, 2012, 05:39:10 PM
And yet again, why...why.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2012, 06:11:00 PM
NY date on roadrunner but no NY date on website...what do?

I was thinking this too, what the heck. I need to secure these tickets.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 20, 2012, 06:15:45 PM
I'd like to go to the philly date, but idk if ill be moved into drexel yet :/
hopefully tho \m/
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on April 21, 2012, 04:33:03 AM
Looks like I'll have to schedule some meetings in AZ the first week in October.  But damn... Sunday evening again!!!
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on April 21, 2012, 04:51:54 AM
Nightwish and Kamelot? I love it! Imma go listen to The Black Halo, brb.
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Post by: VioletS16 on April 21, 2012, 10:33:51 AM
My little sis nearly forced my dad to buy 4 tickets for the Ft. Lauderdale show. I've never seen her so excited before! :D It's going to be awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on April 21, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
OH MY FUCK THEY'RE COMING TO AZ!
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 21, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
No good bands come by new mexico. At least Summer Slaughter won't let me down
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Post by: Shadow2222 on April 22, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
Oh yeah, seeing them in September in Columbus!!!  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Ugliest Unicorn on April 24, 2012, 07:51:56 AM
Imaginaerum teaser trailer
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84fhOqqRBY)
 :corn
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: WindMaster on April 24, 2012, 02:13:11 PM
omfggottasee
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Post by: Shadow2222 on April 24, 2012, 05:32:32 PM
Wow, we will have to see if the story doesn't kill it, but they nailed the look.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2012, 05:58:39 PM
It certainly looked cool, but I have no idea what to expect from it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 24, 2012, 07:52:08 PM
Wow.........I am speechless from watching that. From the original idea, I wasn't too excited for the movie, but after seeing that I honestly cannot wait.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
I hope it's an actual movie and not just a super long music video for the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on April 24, 2012, 08:36:43 PM
I'm surprised it looks so professional. I was expecting an indie as fuck movie with shit production.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 24, 2012, 10:56:45 PM
I'm surprised it looks so professional. I was expecting an indie as fuck movie with shit production.

Like Chemical Wedding?

Although CW had boobies...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on April 25, 2012, 12:51:12 AM
But...is that a "Nightwish" tat on her arm?  :facepalm:  Maybe it's just me, but...I think it's a really bad idea to get the band's name tattooed on you when you are a replacement member for a member who was previously fired. 
I dunno, even if she were to be fired now, completely out of the blue, I'd imagine Nightwish still is and always will be a big part of her life, as it's given her exposure and she's gone from being pretty unknown to the front of a big band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on April 26, 2012, 02:56:34 PM
I loved this album when it came out, and it has grown on me even more. I know that Storytime is the very poppy/mainstream song of the album, but it is really catchy. I love it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: True Death of Life on April 26, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
Listen to the album every day. Love it.

AND THE MOVIE LOOKS AMAZING
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TioJorge on April 26, 2012, 11:53:46 PM
So I'm on the fifth track of Imaginaerum and holyshitstick this is some awesomely legendary shiznit. I've only listened and really loved four or five of Nightwish's songs but those songs are played quite a bit (Amaranth, Last of the Wilds, Nemo, Planet Hell). This whole album on the other hand seems like it will be nothing but the band blowing their load on every track from the sound of things and reviews.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on April 28, 2012, 11:54:40 AM
I've never really thought it fair to call Anette a "replacement" for Tarja. If she were a replacement, she would come in and replicate Tarja's vocal style in order to blatantly fill the hole that Tarja left behind. But Anette brings new life and style to Nightwish, and they're doing things that they weren't before, so "replacement" doesn't really seem to give her the credit she deserves.

I've also always thought that on a "bad night" Anette is better than Tarja on a "bad night". Sometimes, live Tarja could just sound like "hoh hoh hoh ho hooooaa hoh hoh waaa" and it can REALLY get on your nerves. Plus, Tarja's vocals might have gotten boring after a while. And she was obviously clashing with the band members. Change was given where change was due, and Nightwish is as strong as ever!

Also, the movie looks verrry good. I was expecting something a bit...cheesier (a la kinda like how Cradle of Fear came out except not as sexy/gorey) but it looks like it has been done REALLY well in all honesty.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on April 28, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
She's a replacement for Tarja.  It's a word, not a debate.  Tarja was booted, they brought in a new singer.  Nothing about being a replacement says they're the same style of singer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2012, 12:00:51 PM
The problem with Anette is that she sounds....meh live. I've seen her live twice and saw countless recordings on youtube and I've never heard sound great. She sounds great on CD's, but live she has no power, no control and does trills on almost every ending note. She also skips the harder parts every time.

Nightwish in general though has been meh live since she joined the band. The sound on the CDs is huge, rich and slick and live it's thin, tired and falling short of their recordings.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on April 28, 2012, 12:10:03 PM
Yeah, a friend just asked me a couple days ago if I wanted to go see Nightwish later this year.  My response wasn't far from that, having seen them with Anette already I don't think I'll bother again unless Tarja came back.  In a way, Anette sounded better on the Tarja material than I expected, surprisingly so, but it still wasn't the same.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Tyrias on April 28, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
To be honest, I think Anette sounded perfectly fine when I saw them yesterday...
They had a really great stage show, lots of fire and lights, especially the effects during "Last Ride Of the Day" were outstanding. I only have 3 complaints about that show:
- The sound was much too bassy. The earplugs I wore didn't help either and sometimes there was basically just noise coming into my ears. However, after the first few songs it got gradually better and in the end the sound was really good.
- It was so damn hot inside the venue. And I mean really fucking hot. One of the people who went to see Nightwish with me went to the bar after only a few songs and couldn't even stand properly anymore ( a bit like when you can't stand anymore because you drank too much alcohol... only she was 100% sober...) At the end of the show I downed half a litre of water in half a minute and another half a litre a few minutes later. I never had to piss until after breakfast the next day...
- The acoustic version of Nemo began exactly like Untitled 6 by Sigur Ros... So when the piano melody came in I was kind of disappointed. :-\
Nevertheless, really awesome show.Especially because of the visuals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2012, 10:16:08 PM
Sweet, got tickets for the NYC show
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on April 28, 2012, 10:50:30 PM
I would've gotten tickets for that tonight if I weren't a snotty teenager...fucking shit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on April 28, 2012, 11:11:15 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Discover took my card away. I blew the whole wad on VIP tix. In the end, I owe them an extra 65 bucks on top of my credit limit.

Two words: Worth it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 28, 2012, 11:45:22 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Discover took my card away. I blew the whole wad on VIP tix. In the end, I owe them an extra 65 bucks on top of my credit limit.

Two words: Worth it.
:tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2012, 09:06:43 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Discover took my card away. I blew the whole wad on VIP tix. In the end, I owe them an extra 65 bucks on top of my credit limit.

Two words: Worth it.

Who uses Discover anyway?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jaffa on April 30, 2012, 02:33:37 PM
Last Ride of the Day is utterly amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on April 30, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Discover took my card away. I blew the whole wad on VIP tix. In the end, I owe them an extra 65 bucks on top of my credit limit.

Two words: Worth it.

Who uses Discover anyway?

I do. It's my only credit card. I think they just give them away IMO. But with the tix I'll be able to jump the line and meet them before the show. GOnna be goooood!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2012, 05:44:36 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Discover took my card away. I blew the whole wad on VIP tix. In the end, I owe them an extra 65 bucks on top of my credit limit.

Two words: Worth it.

Who uses Discover anyway?

I do. It's my only credit card. I think they just give them away IMO. But with the tix I'll be able to jump the line and meet them before the show. GOnna be goooood!!!
Discover gives you this ability? Ill be damned.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on May 01, 2012, 06:06:49 AM
I was surprised too, but like hell I'll complain.  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on May 04, 2012, 02:19:57 PM
The movie has an official release date: August 17, 2012.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 04, 2012, 02:31:22 PM
The problem with Anette is that she sounds....meh live. I've seen her live twice and saw countless recordings on youtube and I've never heard sound great. She sounds great on CD's, but live she has no power, no control and does trills on almost every ending note. She also skips the harder parts every time.

Nightwish in general though has been meh live since she joined the band. The sound on the CDs is huge, rich and slick and live it's thin, tired and falling short of their recordings.

As usual, I am in perfect agreement with Adami.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on May 05, 2012, 01:53:51 PM
I can't stop listening to Ghost River. Marco's vocals in the chorus make my balls explode.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ħ on May 21, 2012, 01:45:48 PM
Anyone going to the SF show on October 3?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on June 17, 2012, 05:46:53 AM
How am I loved only when I'm gone?
Gone back in time to bless the child

---------------------------------------------------

IT IS THE END OF ALL HOPE
TO LOSE THE CHILD, THE FAITH
TO END ALL THE INNOCENCE
TO BE SOMEONE LIKE ME

di-di-didididididi
di-di-didididididi
di-di-didididididi
dididi-dididi-dididi-dididi-dididi-dididi

Not will to wake for this morn
To see another black rose born
Deathbed is slowly covered with snow

Angels, they fell first but I'm still here
Alone as they are drawing near
In heaven my masterpiece will finally be sung

------------------------------------------------------------------

WAKE UP, MOW THE WEED
YOU'D BE NOTHING WITHOUT ME
TAKE MY LIFE IF YOU HAVE THE HEART, HEART TO DIE


Century Child  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart

Tarja (oh wait, how many I gave to Agnete Maria Kjolsrud? Oh well, here's enough)  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 17, 2012, 02:24:29 PM
How am I loved only when I'm gone?
Gone back in time to bless the child

---------------------------------------------------

IT IS THE END OF ALL HOPE
TO LOSE THE CHILD, THE FAITH
TO END ALL THE INNOCENCE
TO BE SOMEONE LIKE ME

di-di-didididididi
di-di-didididididi
di-di-didididididi
dididi-dididi-dididi-dididi-dididi-dididi

Not will to wake for this morn
To see another black rose born
Deathbed is slowly covered with snow

Angels, they fell first but I'm still here
Alone as they are drawing near
In heaven my masterpiece will finally be sung

------------------------------------------------------------------

WAKE UP, MOW THE WEED
YOU'D BE NOTHING WITHOUT ME
TAKE MY LIFE IF YOU HAVE THE HEART, HEART TO DIE


Century Child  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart

Tarja (oh wait, how many I gave to Agnete Maria Kjolsrud? Oh well, here's enough)  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart

 :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on June 17, 2012, 05:10:08 PM
Do you guys have any idea how many times a day I hear my sister or mother singing Nightwish? Seriously.
A LOT.
My sister went through  phase when she sang The Carpenter 200x a day, and my mom is always humming Nemo or Amaranth, and my head is going to explode. When will I catch someone singing Sorgens Kammer dell 2?  :biggrin:  :omg:  :'(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2012, 05:11:25 PM
Do you guys have any idea how many times a day I hear my sister or mother singing Nightwish? Seriously.
A LOT.
My sister went through  phase when she sang The Carpenter 200x a day, and my mom is always humming Nemo or Amaranth, and my head is going to explode. When will I catch someone singing Sorgens Kammer dell 2?  :biggrin:  :omg:  :'(

The Carpenter? Seriously? Please tell me your sister did it as a goof.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on June 17, 2012, 05:20:18 PM
Do you guys have any idea how many times a day I hear my sister or mother singing Nightwish? Seriously.
A LOT.
My sister went through  phase when she sang The Carpenter 200x a day, and my mom is always humming Nemo or Amaranth, and my head is going to explode. When will I catch someone singing Sorgens Kammer dell 2?  :biggrin:  :omg:  :'(

The Carpenter? Seriously? Please tell me your sister did it as a goof.
:lol
No, she loves that song. Then again, she's 9, but still. She loves most everything Nightwish does! From the Carpenter, to Ghost River. She's gonna turn out just like me :P Except I started out on Ozzy Osbourne! She IS starting to really like Kamelot, though...!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2012, 05:21:33 PM
I like Nightwish too. But The Carpenter? Ehhhhhhh. A horrible song about Jesus. No thanks.

Although I do wish they'd stop essentially ignoring their pre-marco albums live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on June 17, 2012, 05:24:41 PM
I like Nightwish too. But The Carpenter? Ehhhhhhh. A horrible song about Jesus. No thanks.

Although I do wish they'd stop essentially ignoring their pre-marco albums live.
I think she just likes the catchiness of it, not the lyrics. In fact, I think she STOPPED singing it because she realized what the lyrics were about! Now she goes around the house whispering, "And suffer like all the dead children"
Or, she'll quietly murmur Master Passion Greed  :-X :P ::)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on June 19, 2012, 04:30:47 AM
The Carpenter is the best song ever made. I listened to it six times in the night.

And Angels Fall First is awesome  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart. Title track was the only OK song, others were great or awesome. Beauty and the Beast, Astral Romance, Tutankhamen, Nymphomanic Fantasia, Know Why the Nightingale Sings and Lappi (Lapland). Sooooo great album! Very close to Century Child.

Oceanborn was clearly weaker, but I think it can be better. Gethsemane, The Devil & the Dark, Deep Sea, Moondance (I thought about women figure skating while listening to it  :D) and The Riddler are very good. Passion and the Opera, The Pharaoh Sails to Orion, Walking in the Air and Sleeping Sun are awesome.

And they're better than Dream Theater or Iron Maiden.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on June 19, 2012, 04:32:26 AM
My sister went through  phase when she sang The Carpenter 200x a day, and my mom is always humming Nemo or Amaranth

I have sang it's chorus a lot this morning.

E: I'm going to sing Wait for Sleep on my singing lessons, and I want to sing this also.

How could I dare to think that Finnish heavy metal is horrible?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2012, 05:47:34 AM
And they're better than Dream Theater or Iron Maiden.

Hey now. No need for that. Nightwish is great but they are no DT or IM in my book.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on June 19, 2012, 10:13:03 AM
The Carpenter is the best song ever made. I listened to it six times in the night.

And Angels Fall First is awesome  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart. Title track was the only OK song, others were great or awesome. Beauty and the Beast, Astral Romance, Tutankhamen, Nymphomanic Fantasia, Know Why the Nightingale Sings and Lappi (Lapland). Sooooo great album! Very close to Century Child.

Oceanborn was clearly weaker

Every single thing you just said is terrible and wrong, minus the praise for Lapland. Seriously, Angels Fall First is like the only great song on the album, and Oceanborn is their best album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Breaking All Illusions on June 19, 2012, 10:21:31 AM
I love Nightwish. They were one of the bands that really got me into metal.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on June 20, 2012, 06:28:14 AM
The Carpenter is the best song ever made. I listened to it six times in the night.

And Angels Fall First is awesome  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart. Title track was the only OK song, others were great or awesome. Beauty and the Beast, Astral Romance, Tutankhamen, Nymphomanic Fantasia, Know Why the Nightingale Sings and Lappi (Lapland). Sooooo great album! Very close to Century Child.

Oceanborn was clearly weaker

Every single thing you just said is terrible and wrong, minus the praise for Lapland. Seriously, Angels Fall First is like the only great song on the album, and Oceanborn is their best album.

Sorry, I'm not really into metal now. Oceanborn is a very good album, but I just can't see that I could like as much as Angels Fall First.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 21, 2012, 01:19:38 PM
Oceanborn and Wishmaster, what an album duo! And when they are surrounded by Angels Fall First and Century Child... lord, what a band.

It's a bit hard to decide, which one is better, Oceanborn or Wishmaster. I use the song versus song-method, since the both albums have the same amount of songs. I never thought I would like power metal this much.

Stargazers - She Is My Sin - Stargazers easily. It's a solid power metal song, whe She Is My Sin is very lazy.
Gethsemane - The Kinslayer - Very hard one. Gethsemane has probably my favourite Nightwish melodies, but The Kinslayer is a true kickass song, and nowadays it's even more topical song than on 2000. It's about the Columbine massacre, and there have been a lot of shootings around after 2000, also in Finland. The middle section is one of the most stopping sections in musical history ever. The guest vocalist does great job. A top 3 Nightwish song.
Devil & the Deep Dark Ocean - Come Cover Me - An easy choice. DATDDO has an evil feeling overall, and the dialogue between Tapio Wilska and Tarja is absolutely stunning. Come Cover Me is a very good hard rock song with a spectacular intro, but it isn't even close.
Sacrament of Wilderness - Wanderlust - Sacrament of Wilderness is simply boring, Wanderlust is great. I think it has some DT vibe, the intro could be a part of some of their instrumental sections. I love it's verses and the choir outro.
Passion and the Opera - Two for Tragedy - Two awesome songs, but I'll go with PATO. Passion part is very solid one, and Opera has Tarja at her greatest. However, Two for Tragedy is a stunning ballad, that flute melody is pure beautiness. 
Swanheart - Wishmaster - Wishmaster is just perfect. Swanheart, as great ballad it is, cannot give any real challenge.
Moondance - Bare Grace Misery - Bare Grace Misery is another rocker, I like it a lot, but Moondance is a true melody-feast and my favourite instrumentalpower chords and harsh vocals-song after Metallica's Orion.
The Riddler - Crownless - Very even match-up. They are good, but far away from NW's best. I cannot remember everything else about Crownless than the fact that it's very fast, when on the other hand The Riddler is very catchy.
The Pharaoh Sails to Orion - Deep Silent Complete - Hands down, TPSTO is Nightwish's best power metal song. Deep Silent Complete is weird, but good.
Walking in the Air - Dead Boy's Poem - No... [emoticon running in circle] Two FANTASTIC songs. Walking in the Air is perfect, Dead Boy's Poem is inches away.
Sleeping Sun - FantasMic - Very tight competition. Some other day would choose Sleeping Sun, but those cheesy strings just before chorus are horrible, even though the song is in every other ways flawless. FantasMic has many great parts and works great in overall.

Oceanborn is slightly better.

Album ranking (excluding Dark Passion Play)

Century Child
Angels Fall First
Oceanborn
Wishmaster
Imaginaerum
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Once
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2012, 01:26:04 PM
I agree with you that Oceanborn is better, but by a lot more.


And Walking in the Air isn't even a Nightwish song! And there's no way it's even remotely as good as Dead Boys Poem.

To me Oceanborn was Nightwish's best CD. Wishmaster was good, but it felt like a few of the songs were pretty uninspired, unlike Oceanborn.


And I still have no idea how you consider Angel's Fall First to be better than anything, especially when Tuomas doesn't even consider it a real album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 21, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
And Walking in the Air isn't even a Nightwish song! And there's no way it's even remotely as good as Dead Boys Poem.

And I still have no idea how you consider Angel's Fall First to be better than anything, especially when Tuomas doesn't even consider it a real album.

Walking in the Air is on a Nightwish album, so I counted it. I prefer their version over the original, because I don't like the original vocalist.

I am I, deal with it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
But how is it better than Dead Boy's Poem?


That song is just pure emotion.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 21, 2012, 01:47:52 PM
But how is it better than Dead Boy's Poem?


That song is just pure emotion.

I think I haven't really get into it yet. :| But it was the hardest decision alongside Gethsemane/The Kinslayer.

The first verse is, however, very intimate.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2012, 03:21:47 PM
I think ocean born and wish master are the two albums with the most emotion. And both are fairly raw, which makes them both awesome albums. Id go with wash master though. And i LOVE deep silent complete, I think that song clicked for me when i watches it on their live DVD. Tarja totally kicks ass on it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 22, 2012, 03:32:19 AM
OK. I listened to Angels Fall First, and I didn't found anything wrong about the album. It is perfect, despite all its faults. I'm not sure, how I can make you sure that I'm not trolling, because no one seems to love AFF.

Every single song is just awesome. Or, maybe someone else could have done the male vocals on Astral Romance (I lol'ed  :rollin, sorry Tuomas!), but there are nine pretty flawless songs there.

Elvenpath puts a smile on my face. It is a fun song, lyrics are VERY goofy, but musically I love it. Verses are just so cool.

Beauty and the Beast, the first epic on the album, has some vocals by Tuomas, but I think he does them very well. It has kinda same feeling than some Oceanborn and Wishmaster songs have. Verses are just so friggin great and I almost came, when the guitar solo began. So beautiful moment. Outro has awesome melodies. Lyrics are my second favourite on the album. For who could ever learn to love a beast, I can relate to that very well.

The Carpenter is my favourite song. Ever. Pure catchiness and beauty.

Astral Romance is very beautiful, except Tuomas's vocals. But I can sing over it, so what the fuck. Guitar work throughout the song is fantastic, I love the intro and the solo section. Lyrics are great, also.

Angels Fall First is a solid ballad, with beautiful acoustic guitars and flutes (oh my God, what an instrument!  :hefdaddy). It is very beautiful, and has the best lyrics on the album (Tuomas thinks the same).

Tutankhamen is the heaviest song, with some well done Egyptian feeling. Lyrics are again goofy, but I don't mind them.

Nymphomaniac Fantasia was played only a couple of times live, and I understand why. It's not bad, totally the opposite, but the vocals in verses are complex, Tarja sorta duets with herself. I repeat myself, but a very beautiful song. Flutes play a major role here, intro is... very beautiful, and there's an awesome flute solo in the outro. The song has also some of my favourite Nightwish vocal moments.

Hear the starry choooooooooooooooooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir

Old love lies deep, you said
Deeper shall be the wound between your legs


I love the lyrics.

Know Why the Nightingale Sings, when I saw the song title, I thought that it is surely a ballad. But it's a hard rock song, with feeling and catchiness. Great intro fill by Jukka  :metal. Solo section is awesome, an Emppu-feast, and the guitar solos make me smile, so great they are. I don't get the lyrics.

Lappi (Lapland) is an epic saga, splitted in four parts. The song brings images of midnight sun over the fells and dark, starry winter sky to my mind. The song is very beautiful... the whole album is very beautiful. My favourite part is Etiäinen.

Tarja is awesome  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart. And she was so beautiful in 1997. She is beautiful still, in case you were wondering.

The album is very different to other Nightwish albums. But it has a lot of beauty, IMO more than any other NW album.

I listened to the bonus songs also. A Return to Sea felt a little inconsistent, but nevertheless good to me. The acoustic demos were...

...

beautiful. Oh, they should have done more stuff like them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 22, 2012, 03:53:05 AM
Ruba, I have no idea who you are, but I already like you  :heart
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 22, 2012, 03:56:14 AM
Ruba, I have no idea who you are, but I already like you  :heart

 :heart.

Glad to see I'm not alone.

And good that you made through my post. Reviewing albums in English is sometimes difficult.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: RichardRG on July 22, 2012, 04:08:31 PM
This is the only metal band coming to my area in the near future (I've recently relocated from a major city). I have Oceanborn and Wishmaster, but can't seem to get into them, sadly.  :-[

Edit: I listened to Oceanborn again and LOVED it. But now I have to get into Nightwish with the new singer, which is a new task all together.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 24, 2012, 02:46:29 AM
:heart.

Glad to see I'm not alone.

And good that you made through my post. Reviewing albums in English is sometimes difficult.

You outta see me try and type in spanish. There's a whole lot wrong with me there,  so don't worry about your English. It's all good.  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 24, 2012, 02:29:59 PM
This is the only metal band coming to my area in the near future (I've recently relocated from a major city). I have Oceanborn and Wishmaster, but can't seem to get into them, sadly.  :-[

Edit: I listened to Oceanborn again and LOVED it. But now I have to get into Nightwish with the new singer, which is a new task all together.  :lol

Get Century Child, and Once if you want to hear songs that are most likely gonna get played
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 25, 2012, 04:46:00 AM
This is the only metal band coming to my area in the near future (I've recently relocated from a major city). I have Oceanborn and Wishmaster, but can't seem to get into them, sadly.  :-[

Edit: I listened to Oceanborn again and LOVED it. But now I have to get into Nightwish with the new singer, which is a new task all together.  :lol

Get Century Child, and Once if you want to hear songs that are most likely gonna get played

And of course Imaginaerum, because they're touring for it.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on August 07, 2012, 02:50:05 AM
Dark Passion Play is very good. But I still prefer their four first albums.

The Poet and the Pendulum is great song, though I think Anette's vocals don't really fit it. But they don't have Tarja anymore, so I have to deal with it. Actually comparing Tarja and Anette is like comparing Bruce Dickinson and Blaze Bayley. One is fantastic, and the other is very good. Both have very different styles. But Anette truly can truly shine, when the song is right. And Nightwish hadn't stopped writing great music, after all it's Tuomas's band and he still has songwriting abilities that are beyond outstanding. I can count the weak Nightwish songs with one hand. Although I prefer less orchestral style, DPP and Imaginaerum continue still serving some awesome music. And they need to use more Emppu, I wish the next album has some Gethsemane-stylish song.

So now I have made peace with Nightwish. They are still great band and the best active one.

Every song on DPP was at least good, but there were two ones I didn't like that much. Eva had a bland Eurovision Song Contest-chorus and The Last of the Wilds wasn't really instrumental (like Moondance), it was a song without vocals. I know there are version with Finnish lyrics, but Jonsu from Indica? Seriously? It would have been better, if it wouldn't have ended slowly, not with distortion.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 07, 2012, 03:11:53 AM
I'm seriously the only person on this earth who thinks Dark Passion Play is their best album.....but I'm proud of that fact.
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Post by: Pols Voice on August 07, 2012, 03:16:16 AM
Every song on DPP was at least good, but there were two ones I didn't like that much. Eva had a bland Eurovision Song Contest-chorus and The Last of the Wilds wasn't really instrumental (like Moondance), it was a song without vocals. I know there are version with Finnish lyrics, but Jonsu from Indica? Seriously? It would have been better, if it wouldn't have ended slowly, not with distortion.

Hrmm, I like both of those songs, especially Last of the Wilds. Music like that is right up my alley.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on August 07, 2012, 06:09:30 AM
Every song on DPP was at least good, but there were two ones I didn't like that much. Eva had a bland Eurovision Song Contest-chorus and The Last of the Wilds wasn't really instrumental (like Moondance), it was a song without vocals. I know there are version with Finnish lyrics, but Jonsu from Indica? Seriously? It would have been better, if it wouldn't have ended slowly, not with distortion.

Hrmm, I like both of those songs, especially Last of the Wilds. Music like that is right up my alley.

It is good, but I think it would have been even better with vocals. I got to check out the version with Jonsu.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2012, 08:23:17 AM
Dark Passion Play is very good. But I still prefer their four first albums.

The Poet and the Pendulum is great song, though I think Anette's vocals don't really fit it. But they don't have Tarja anymore, so I have to deal with it. Actually comparing Tarja and Anette is like comparing Bruce Dickinson and Blaze Bayley. One is fantastic, and the other is very good. Both have very different styles. But Anette truly can truly shine, when the song is right. And Nightwish hadn't stopped writing great music, after all it's Tuomas's band and he still has songwriting abilities that are beyond outstanding. I can count the weak Nightwish songs with one hand. Although I prefer less orchestral style, DPP and Imaginaerum continue still serving some awesome music. And they need to use more Emppu, I wish the next album has some Gethsemane-stylish song.

So now I have made peace with Nightwish. They are still great band and the best active one.

Every song on DPP was at least good, but there were two ones I didn't like that much. Eva had a bland Eurovision Song Contest-chorus and The Last of the Wilds wasn't really instrumental (like Moondance), it was a song without vocals. I know there are version with Finnish lyrics, but Jonsu from Indica? Seriously? It would have been better, if it wouldn't have ended slowly, not with distortion.

The main problem with DPP is that, while the songs are well-written, they are not written with Anette's voice in mind (because Tuomas had written the album before they decided on a singer).  To me, Anette isn't used as effectively as she could be.  Imaginaerium was written with her voice in mind, so while she may not be as talented as Tarja, the songs play to her strengths, and her voice meshes with the music better. 

And I agree about more Emppu!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on August 07, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
Are we back on the DPP argument? I was so looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
I really don't like the end to the poet and the pendulum.  The beginning half is so strong, but the end really kills it for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2012, 09:38:12 PM
I really don't like the end to the poet and the pendulum.  The beginning half is so strong, but the end really kills it for me.

I assume you mean when it randomly becomes soft and generic after a hugely epic part. I agree. Although I also hate the spoken word part.

"afraid of being raped again and again". Seems a bit.....childish and emo for a grown man.



And while I do love Imaginareum and stuff, it's obvious that Nightwish will continue to be solely metal plus full symphony and choir and never truly return to being  a 5 piece band. And the heavy heavy use of full symphonies and choirs means I'm losing track of what Tuomas is actually playing. I hear a little piano from time to time, and....well not much else. He used to be the keyboardist and now he's just the writer. I miss those awesome keyboard parts from Oceanborn that are now just orchestra instead.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ħ on August 08, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
A buddy wants to see Nightwish in October. I've only heard Once (which I love, it's one of my favorite albums) but nothing else. Would it be worth going to see them?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2012, 11:54:44 AM
A buddy wants to see Nightwish in October. I've only heard Once (which I love, it's one of my favorite albums) but nothing else. Would it be worth going to see them?

I've seen Nightwish live I think 4 times. Twice with Tarja, twice with Anette. And I have to say that for me, since Anette joined the band, they are reallly lazy live. You can look up videos, but I have no desire to see them live anymore, but I'll get their CDs since those always sound great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 08, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
A buddy wants to see Nightwish in October. I've only heard Once (which I love, it's one of my favorite albums) but nothing else. Would it be worth going to see them?

Judging from their live DVD back from the Once tour (and bootlegs I have seen/heard), they put on a great show.  So it's worth it from that standpoint.  I would get a copy of Imaginaerium and see if you like it, since the bulk of their material for the live show will probably come from that album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
A buddy wants to see Nightwish in October. I've only heard Once (which I love, it's one of my favorite albums) but nothing else. Would it be worth going to see them?

Judging from their live DVD back from the Once tour (and bootlegs I have seen/heard), they put on a great show.  So it's worth it from that standpoint.  I would get a copy of Imaginaerium and see if you like it, since the bulk of their material for the live show will probably come from that album.

Their energy from that show is no where near what it is now. They were on fire on that show, and when I've seen them since then they've been burned out.

I remember taking my (at the time) fiance to see them, she loved them. It was her first show of theirs, she was super excited. After about an hour she wanted to leave because of how bored they all seemed on stage. And it was the same at both shows I saw and every you tube clip of them since DPP.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2012, 01:34:35 PM
I have never seen them but from YouTube videos, I think they look and sound great. I'm very excited to see them in a month
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on August 08, 2012, 04:09:29 PM
A buddy wants to see Nightwish in October. I've only heard Once (which I love, it's one of my favorite albums) but nothing else. Would it be worth going to see them?
Musically, Once (or the album before that, Century Child) is probably the midpoint between their two voices.

From Angels Fall First to Wishmaster (I think? Drunk - can't remember the chrononology off hand) they're in a sort of operatic, soprano, power-metal type vibe. Dark Passion Play to Imaginaerum, meanwhile, are more of a dark fairytale vibe - with a new singer. Once is the style in between.

I'm tempted to say that if you like Once, you'll like all of what Nightwish have to offer. Their vocalist is different nowadays, but I can say from experience she does a cracking job on the Siren. I say go for it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2012, 04:13:27 PM
Rob Webstertonville is correct, mostly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
I always thought that Century Child was more of that change point.  Once sounds way more like DP and Imaginareum than the albums before.  Century Child still has some of that old style with songs like Dead to the World and End of All Hope, but had some songs that were more of what they sound like now such as Phantom of the Opera and Ever Dream.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on August 09, 2012, 01:24:26 AM
I always thought that Century Child was more of that change point.  Once sounds way more like DP and Imaginareum than the albums before.  Century Child still has some of that old style with songs like Dead to the World and End of All Hope, but had some songs that were more of what they sound like now such as Phantom of the Opera and Ever Dream.
Yeah - I agree, totally, I'd group Century Child in with that too! That's why I said Column A stopped at Wishmaster. It's part of the same movement, and it's probably a little more balanced than Once, but if Once is H's only reference point I didn't think there was much point telling him how some album he hasn't heard yet is a very good balance between two styles he hasn't heard isolated either. q:

You're right, though, Century Child is the metamorphosis. Probably a Marco thing - male vocals help. Broadly, though, Once still has the operatic passages, the hooks, and the speedy power metal of The Spirit of Nightwish Past, and the mid-tempo orchestral vibe of the later stuff. It's an album written for Tarja, and while it hints at what was yet to come, probably teetering on the brink of the next phase, it still remains in Tarjaville.

Tell me if you're getting any of this, H! Tarja's their original vocalist.

I'd also say that most Nightwish songs have enough of a hook to make them memorable live, even if you've never heard them before. So this might not be entirely surprising from a Nightwish fan, but I say go to the gig!

Rob Webstertonville is correct, mostly.
Genuinely tempted to change my name to that. I'd make a good Webstertonville.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2012, 01:31:20 AM
Tell me if you're getting any of this

I get what your saying, I mean Once has songs that still have some of that old Nightwish style, but Once was thier real "Operatic" album that changed how they sounded.  Its still a Tarja sounding album, and I think that new style mixed with a bit of that old style and Tarja are what make it my favorite album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 09, 2012, 07:48:27 AM
Rob, while we're on the subject, tell me what you think of Leaves' Eyes in one of those long, well thought out, articulate posts of yours.  Should I go to the Leaves' Eyes gig coming up?





























Okay, yeah, it's completely off topic.  And there is no upcoming Leaves' Eyes gig.  But I've been starving for some Leaves' Eyes discussion for years now, and if I start a thread, it'll fall off the front page so fast that you, the only person on this forum likely to respond, won't even see it.  So...yeah.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on August 09, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
You may never, under any conditions, see Leaves' Eyes live.



...without giving us a full report. Cool music, brilliant performers. Good band. :hat
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 24, 2012, 10:29:15 AM
Imaginaerum by Nightwish - The Score samples (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTu4dNNDPE&feature=player_embedded)

Don't know what to expect from this movie i have my doubts unfortunately. I mean i love the music the band creates and i know that Tuomas is a great visionary when it comes to painting pictures with his music but will all that be enough for a full movie? I sure hopes so and it would be so awesome if it becomes a great success both financial and critique wise.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on August 24, 2012, 11:35:14 AM
I could go for Leaves' Eyes discussion, though I really really prefer pre-Musique Theatre of Tragedy. Liv Kristine is so amazing and talented and pretty. The one thing that I hate about Leaves' Eyes is Alexander. Ughh. But I digress.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamariquay on August 31, 2012, 05:58:31 PM
So, I've had this album for a year or so. Always liked it, never really listened to it too terribly often.

Something clicked this week. I've probably listened to it probably 20 times in the last five days. God DAMN. So good!

Favorite tracks: Damn near all of them. I think the chorus melody from Rest Calm is probably the coolest thing I've heard in a while. So many other great moments though. Ghost River, Slow Love Love, I Want My Tears Back, Scaretale, the Mermaid one that I forget the actual name of...

Only minor complaint: I ended up making an edit of Song Of Myself that took out the Walt Whitman stuff (don't mind it at all, but I know I'd get tired of it eventually). Otherwise, probably the best album I've heard this year. Even though it came out last year. Bah.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 10, 2012, 09:11:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Q_VVyD36o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Q_VVyD36o)

Awesome children's choir singing Amaranth.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on September 10, 2012, 12:02:08 PM
Only minor complaint: I ended up making an edit of Song Of Myself that took out the Walt Whitman stuff (don't mind it at all, but I know I'd get tired of it eventually). Otherwise, probably the best album I've heard this year. Even though it came out last year. Bah.

You mean the poetry stuff at the end? Honestly that's probably my favorite part of the song. The timing of the words I think coincides perfectly with the music. Might be cheesy to some people, but I like it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 22, 2012, 06:13:49 PM
I just dug out the 5.1 version of Once. I have a brand new surround sound system and this album, already one of my all time faves, sounds stunning.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
I just dug out the 5.1 version of Once. I have a brand new surround sound system and this album, already one of my all time faves, sounds stunning.

They made a 5.1 of once? Hm, didn't know that. I bet it sounds quite good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 22, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Nightwish was really awesome last week. They played the escapist which was a surprise to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Jamariquay on September 22, 2012, 09:25:59 PM
Only minor complaint: I ended up making an edit of Song Of Myself that took out the Walt Whitman stuff (don't mind it at all, but I know I'd get tired of it eventually). Otherwise, probably the best album I've heard this year. Even though it came out last year. Bah.

You mean the poetry stuff at the end? Honestly that's probably my favorite part of the song. The timing of the words I think coincides perfectly with the music. Might be cheesy to some people, but I like it.

It's probably the best "spoken words over music" I've heard in some time.

That said, I don't like the device so much in general. C'est la vie.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 23, 2012, 01:58:30 AM
I just dug out the 5.1 version of Once. I have a brand new surround sound system and this album, already one of my all time faves, sounds stunning.

They made a 5.1 of once? Hm, didn't know that. I bet it sounds quite good.

I think I got it direct from NB, it's long OOP, but I've seen it on ebay.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 26, 2012, 02:14:33 PM
Just saw Nightwish 2 days ago in Chicago with ThroughHerEyesDude6 and it was amazing! Just like before, every time I see Nightwish, I cannot stop listening to them afterwards. They are just too good! We got the VIP tickets which really enhanced the experience. Got to meet the band and get front row position throughout! One of the BEST live bands around, everyone played top-notch. Cheers to them!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on September 26, 2012, 02:34:04 PM
Going to see them on Monday!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2012, 02:34:51 PM
Missed the last night. Don't care since I've seen them live like 4 times or something and they are terrible live with Annete.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on September 26, 2012, 02:37:52 PM
Missed the last night. Don't care since I've seen them live like 4 times or something and they are terrible live with Annete.
Not terrible, but not worth paying to see twice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2012, 02:38:34 PM
Missed the last night. Don't care since I've seen them live like 4 times or something and they are terrible live with Annete.
Not terrible, but not worth paying to see twice.

You're terrible was a bad word. Lazy describes it more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 27, 2012, 12:31:13 PM
Missed the last night. Don't care since I've seen them live like 4 times or something and they are terrible live with Annete.

Completely disagree. Respectfully, of course.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2012, 12:42:09 PM
Missed the last night. Don't care since I've seen them live like 4 times or something and they are terrible live with Annete.

Completely disagree. Respectfully, of course.

Maybe they rocked your show. But I'm basing my opinion on every single youtube video I've seen plus the 2 or 3 times I've seen them with Annette. She is usually off key, and when she does hit the right note, it's only after hitting the notes above and below it first before settling on the note. She skips the hard stuff.  Tuomas just plays random chords and skips any difficult things he may have had on the record and the singing just sounds lazy on Marco's part.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 27, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
Missed the last night. Don't care since I've seen them live like 4 times or something and they are terrible live with Annete.

Completely disagree. Respectfully, of course.

Maybe they rocked your show. But I'm basing my opinion on every single youtube video I've seen plus the 2 or 3 times I've seen them with Annette. She is usually off key, and when she does hit the right note, it's only after hitting the notes above and below it first before settling on the note. She skips the hard stuff.  Tuomas just plays random chords and skips any difficult things he may have had on the record and the singing just sounds lazy on Marco's part.

She was a little off-key on the DPP tour, no denying that. But this tour, she has really made a great effort and tried really hard and she was spot-on with every single note. I was shocked. Again, every member of the band was just kicking ass this time around.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 27, 2012, 02:56:08 PM
They were unbelievable at the new York city show. I know toumos changed the solo in planet hell but I don't recall him not playing anything else. I thought Annette was great too, even on higher than hope.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
They were unbelievable at the new York city show. I know toumos changed the solo in planet hell but I don't recall him not playing anything else. I thought Annette was great too, even on higher than hope.

I didn't say he doesn't play anything else. I said he usually skips anything remotely hard and for the most part just holds out chords. He obviously also plays the little piano intros, but very little else other than holding chords.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 27, 2012, 04:32:38 PM
Is that a limitation of the music with the band using more orchestra on the albums?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2012, 06:25:14 PM
Is that a limitation of the music with the band using more orchestra on the albums?

It is the way he writes. The keyboards almost non existent anymore, which is sad since the main song writer is a god damn keyboardist.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on September 28, 2012, 07:57:46 AM
I saw them last night; great show, Anette sounded good to me. I was nice and tipsy, singing to every song.

I'm rather pissed though; I had to miss over half of Kamelot's set 'cause the venue decided to start the show while half the audience was still waiting in line outside, myself included.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2012, 10:15:01 AM
That sucks, Kamelot was really good. One thing about the NYC show I didn't mention was that Nightwish didn't play an encore. I think there must have been a timing issue. They seemed to play all the songs just didn't leave the stage and come back out but at the time it was like wtf?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 28, 2012, 11:53:31 AM
That sucks, Kamelot was really good. One thing about the NYC show I didn't mention was that Nightwish didn't play an encore. I think there must have been a timing issue. They seemed to play all the songs just didn't leave the stage and come back out but at the time it was like wtf?

Naa, it wasn't a timing issue. Tuomas said they're not doing encores this tour because they're so cliche.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 28, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
Next tour it'll be back to the cliches again though, right?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 28, 2012, 12:04:02 PM
I'm barely active on here anymore (school and work  :(), but I wanted to chime in and say Nightwish fucking rocked at the Columbus show last Friday. Amazing concert. Only one that I've been to that even came close to being as enjoyable as Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on September 28, 2012, 05:06:16 PM
Yeah I was sorta bummed that there was no encore. But oh well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2012, 05:28:03 AM
I dont know what happened but here is from the facebook page:

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We were in hell today. Vocalist in a hospital. Show about to be cancelled... But nobody gave up an inch. With the help from the ladies Elise and Alyssa from Kamelot we actually managed to pull of a relaxed and great show! The crowd doing the mass karaoke with the band playing was absolutely amazing. We were humbled and grateful at the same time. This is unity and help from friends and fans. Anette is already recovering thanks to the medical staff and whatever powers there exists. The shows will go on. We give our greatest respect to Alyssa, Elise and the crowd in Ogden Theatre, Denver. You rule!!!

I hope Annette is ok
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 29, 2012, 08:25:25 AM
I have no idea, but glad to know the other female vocals stepped up. Glad to see that then canceling the entire night.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2012, 10:27:02 AM
I have no idea, but glad to know the other female vocals stepped up. Glad to see that then canceling the entire night.

Sounds like it was an interesting concert. Hopefully some YouTube videos show up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 29, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
Based on the two (very low quality) youtubes clips of it that I've seen, they sounded a lot better than Annette.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on September 30, 2012, 05:59:11 AM
Update for Anette's condition. She's alright and hopefully can be onstage in a few days.

https://www.bravewords.com/news/191051
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2012, 07:59:36 AM
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Olzon has since posted a message on her official blog, stating, "I am so sorry that I couldn't be on stage yesterday in Denver. I got very ill the night before and first went to the ER in the morning and [was] there for five hours before they released me with some painkillers and thought it was a kidney stone. Unfortunately, I got worse at 7 in the evening and started vomitting heavily and my fever rised. After talking to the hospital, they said I should cancel the show and come straight back in to the ER. I was there all night and I was very dehydrated so they gave me 2 litres of fluid though an IV, they did blood tests, ultrasounds on my kidneys and finally a CT scan. These tests didn't show why I was so ill, but probably the stomach pain has a connection with me having the flu or just stress. They did find something else, though, and for that I'm grateful. If I didn't do the scan, I wouldn't know there's a big cyst in my liver and I need to go check it out [as soon as possible] at home.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=180109

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2012, 09:24:42 AM
So a few better quality vids have come out of the show. I'm pretty sure the chick from Amaranthe is singing on them and holy crap is she blowing Annette out of the water.

Still hoping to see how the hot american chick sounded.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 30, 2012, 09:33:43 AM
So a few better quality vids have come out of the show. I'm pretty sure the chick from Amaranthe is singing on them and holy crap is she blowing Annette out of the water.

Still hoping to see how the hot american chick sounded.

I really like Elyse (spelling?) from Amaranthe.  In fact, I really like Amaranthe although thier songs sound the same.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2012, 09:35:56 AM
So a few better quality vids have come out of the show. I'm pretty sure the chick from Amaranthe is singing on them and holy crap is she blowing Annette out of the water.

Still hoping to see how the hot american chick sounded.

I really like Elyse (spelling?) from Amaranthe.  In fact, I really like Amaranthe although thier songs sound the same.

Yea, that seems to be the problem with much of the Nightwish copies out there. They all write the same pop/metal songs with no real authenticity.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2012, 08:20:17 PM
So it seems Annette is pretty upset that they played the show with out her.



Mmmmm I like this. Maybe she'll quit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 30, 2012, 11:01:07 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/385095_673684349517_1037687798_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: efxf on October 01, 2012, 09:12:45 AM
So it seems Annette is pretty upset that they played the show with out her.



Mmmmm I like this. Maybe she'll quit.


She did.

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Press statement

Another chapter of the Nightwish story has ended today. Nightwish and Anette Olzon have decided to part company, in mutual understanding, for the good of all parties involved.

In recent times it has become increasingly obvious that the direction and the needs of the band were in conflict, and this has led to a division from which we cannot recover.

Nightwish has no intention of cancelling any upcoming shows, and as a result we have decided to bring in a substitute vocalist starting in Seattle 1.10.2012. Her name is Floor Jansen from The Netherlands (ex-After Forever, ReVamp), and she has graciously stepped in to help us complete the Imaginaerum world tour.

We are all strongly committed to this journey, this vehicle of spirit, and we are sure that this will lead to a brighter future for everyone.

We forever remain excited about the adventures to come, and we are extremely proud of the two beautiful albums and the wonderful shows we shared together.

- NIGHTWISH & Anette Olzon

https://nightwish.com/en/news#2187
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 01, 2012, 09:28:30 AM
I'm interested, Floor Jansen is great.  Not right for Nightwish, but After Forever was a great show.  I'd rather see them go with a nobody that can match Tarja, as a permanent replacement, though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: efxf on October 01, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
Well, they did say that Floor was going to be a substitute so maybe it's not a permanent arrangement.  As for a new singer, maybe Jessica Lehto?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLQhutpXbCo
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 01, 2012, 09:36:37 AM
Whoa holy crap! Guess I'll report back after tonight how it goes!
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 01, 2012, 09:42:36 AM
Yeah, Floor just posted it on FB....interesting....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
Whoa.  Didn't see this coming at all.  I'm not really familiar with Floor.  I've heard of her, and I remember checking out some clips awhile back and thinking that she had some good chops, vocally, but the music just didn't do it for me.  I also remember her name being in the laundry list of potential replacements jokingly thrown out there by Tuomas when they were first working on DPP and fans were speculating about who the new vocalist would be.  Let the speculation on the long-term permanent replacement begin!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 01, 2012, 09:59:15 AM
Anette quit? Whoah.  :|
Didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
Well, this is pretty epic:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jaNRbDo8U

If Nightwish can get back to this kind of vocal performance, I'm all for a change.

Suddenly, I wish the S.F. show were on a different night.  I would be interested in going if this worked with my schedule.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 01, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Let the speculation on the long-term permanent replacement begin!
Yup, another two years of speculation.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
Really?  They're speeding up their album release cycle?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLY7yI1xV-M
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on October 01, 2012, 10:23:00 AM
Whaaaat?! :o While I haven't followed NW in some time (I did listen to Imaginaerum when it came out) and don't really call myself a fan anymore, I did read about the substitute singer thing and how Anette became upset about it. What I'm surprised about is the way she quit in the middle of a tour - it gives me the impression it was a bit of a hasty decision and she'll regret it later. But who knows, there might've been growing tension inside the band that built up to this point, not to mention the constant Tarja comprarisons made by upset fanboys?

I understand that it may seem like a sign of lack of trust when your band mates get someone to substitute you, but as far as I heard, the band were at the venue already when Anette was taken to the hospital and there must've been a certain pressure not to cancel the show, especially a sold out one when the crowd are already there. Of course they should've asked or at least informed her about the decision but maybe she couldn't be reached.

My cousin knows Sami Vänskä (the ex-bassist of NW) personally and according to him, Sami didn't like the lack of communication related to his firing (their manager told him he was let go). The same thing happened with Tarja with the open letter and I think it has something to do with this situation as well. Being a Finn myself, I know we aren't the best to admit problems or talk about them, but I seriously think the guys in the band need to do something if they don't want to have a revolving door of singers.

I did like Anette's voice and, hate me if you want, I preferred the tone of her voice to Tarja's. While Tarja is extremely talented, the opera style of singing is a bit too much for my taste nowadays, but while Anette doesn't have the most unique voice in the world, her style is more tolerable for me. The Anette haters should also remember that Tarja started singing in a less operatic way on Century Child as Tuomas started to lose his interest in the operatic stuff and it was a natural continuation to hire a singer with a different kind of voice. And if we go back to the very beginning, Tuomas didn't even plan on hiring an opera singer, but Tarja happened to be one and that's what they went with.

The reason I'm not really a fan of NW anymore is that my taste has moved on and away from this mega-bombastic symphonic metal - the orchestrations sound nice but it feels like they're just meant to cover the weaknesses of the songwriting. I vaguely recall Tuomas saying that they will try to make the next album different as they've kind of hit the roof in terms of epicness and I hope that's true and this change of singers will further make them focus more on songwriting again, instead of building a huge pseudo-symphony.

Looks like this thing is turning into a media circus here in Finland, just like it did when Tarja was fired! :lol Well, it's natural when something like this happens to the most successful metal band and (active) native band singing in English in the country. Sorry for such a long post but I just wanted to share my 2 cents on this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
Now I am dying to see them live.


I always thought Floor was the best vocalist in this genre and will try to be in a city where they're playing so I can see them with her.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 01, 2012, 10:31:48 AM
As for a new singer, maybe Jessica Lehto? 

I could see that working well.  Very well perhaps.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 01, 2012, 10:35:54 AM
I did like Anette's voice and, hate me if you want, I preferred the tone of her voice to Tarja's. While Tarja is extremely talented, the opera style of singing is a bit too much for my taste nowadays, but while Anette doesn't have the most unique voice in the world, her style is more tolerable for me. The Anette haters should also remember that Tarja started singing in a less operatic way on Century Child as Tuomas started to lose his interest in the operatic stuff and it was a natural continuation to hire a singer with a different kind of voice. And if we go back to the very beginning, Tuomas didn't even plan on hiring an opera singer, but Tarja happened to be one and that's what they went with.
All well discussed and understood parts of the situation, it just doesn't automatically make long time fans like the situation.  ...and Century Child and Once still sound amazing with Tarja, despite Tuomas' direction.  It's not necessarily hate on Annette to prefer to the older Nightwish.  We loved the band and their internal decisions took the band in a direction many weren't that interested in.  Great for some new fans, bad for some old fans.

Looks like this thing is turning into a media circus here in Finland, just like it did when Tarja was fired! :lol Well, it's natural when something like this happens to the most successful metal band and (active) native band singing in English in the country. Sorry for such a long post but I just wanted to share my 2 cents on this.
Is it negative, positive, mixed?  With Tarja's end it was basically negative all over, except from some non-fans who disliked Tarja and didn't care how she was given the boot.  I sort of expect this move to be viewed more positively with fans from Tarja's time like me.  Is that the case in Finland?  I mean , Annette even has people dislike her there for not being Finnish, correct?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 01, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
Let the speculation on the long-term permanent replacement begin!
Mike por.... :blush....i'll just stop there!

Anyway: Holly shit!! That is some crazy news right there...i did not see that coming! I already fear for the future singer who's gonna step in the shoes of both Tarja and Anette and all their rabid fans!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on October 01, 2012, 11:00:25 AM
Looks like this thing is turning into a media circus here in Finland, just like it did when Tarja was fired! :lol Well, it's natural when something like this happens to the most successful metal band and (active) native band singing in English in the country. Sorry for such a long post but I just wanted to share my 2 cents on this.
Is it negative, positive, mixed?  With Tarja's end it was basically negative all over, except from some non-fans who disliked Tarja and didn't care how she was given the boot.  I sort of expect this move to be viewed more positively with fans from Tarja's time like me.  Is that the case in Finland?  I mean , Annette even has people dislike her there for not being Finnish, correct?
The media are just basically bathing in the controversy right now and making huge headlines. However, there was a poll asking "are you surprised about Anette's decision?" on the websites of both of the biggest two tabloids here and in both the results were roughly 70-30 saying no. I've read a few discussion boards today and it looks like people are mostly indifferent about it, some are happy and just a few seem to be sad. But basically everyone seems to agree that the band have to do something if they want to keep the line-up stable and on one metal forum a lot of people seem curious to see how Floor will sound with NW. We'll see if NW can make the TV news like they did 7 years ago...

EDIT: A lot of speculation about the new singer on forums, some hopeful ones even want Tarja back (which I know will not happen as long as she's married to that manager guy)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: adace on October 01, 2012, 11:05:59 AM
DANG, I really liked Anette's work with the band. I even met her in person and got her autograph. This really sucks, but I hope the band will still put quality material with their new singer (please be Tarja). Also hope Anette puts out a solo album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 11:07:37 AM
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Floor has a much stronger reputation out there, so if they did bring her in as their permanent singer, I would think that later letting her go could have some pretty negative backlash for the band.

As for Anette, I never really thought she was the best choice for the band.  I'm not "glad" they got rid of her, but I have to say I am more optimistic about the band with her out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on October 01, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Didn't see this coming at all. Wow.

I loved Floor Janssen's work in After Forever, and would love to see her stick around in a permanent way.

I feel priveleged to have seen one of NW's last shows with Annette though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on October 01, 2012, 11:20:57 AM
Me too. A week ago, if you told me Anette would be out of the band by the end of the month, I would've dismissed it. Now...well, damn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonE on October 01, 2012, 11:49:31 AM
This sucks--not necessarily because Annette is gone, but because of the way it happened.  It seems very thoughtless to not at least ask or even inform the singer that you're going to go along with the show anyway.  However, to quit the band suggests that there may have been some underlying issues and that this was the breaking point.

However, I really wish I hadn't seen them in Atlanta because I think Floor could really belt out the NW songs.  More than any other band, After Forever really captured the mix of bombastic opera and heavy riffs of classic NW. 

Perhaps this could open up the door with a reunion with Tarja.  But then again, there may be so much bad blood over how the split occurred that it would be impossible.  From what I hear the only way the split could have been more acrimonious would have been if there were lawyers involved.   Once the lawsuits get filed, a reunion is near impossible (Pink Floyd, Styx, Great White). 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on October 01, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
I've just read a bit more...So Annette basically was upset that the band played a show without her when she was sick? Obviously she didn't quit right away - She sang the next show, though not at the top of her game. So they kicked her out because of that, or did she quit? Or do we just not know those details?

Honestly if she quit over that...I find that somewhat selfish. Does she think the band should have canceled a sold-out show because of her absence? I know she's the singer...a centerpiece, if you will, but that doesn't mean the rest of the band can't make due and put on a worthwhile show.

Anyway, I don't see Tarja coming back. Their split seemed too bitter.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 01, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
I wonder if this isn't a cover for Anette having the Cyst in her Liver, and decided to stay home since her medical bill probably got expensive.

Crazy, but that's life. Floor seems like a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 01, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
I am in shock......wow. Where the hell do they go from here?? Does Tarja come back? I mean, if they keep switching vocalists, it'll be way too unstable for them. I loved Anette's sound.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 01, 2012, 12:27:30 PM
Didn't she just get a Nightwish tattoo?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 01, 2012, 02:43:06 PM
Ok......Floor Jansen needs to be the new permanent Nightwish singer....she can sing ANY song from the band's catalog!! Here is a video of her range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDSyesik2Us
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 01, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Crazy, but that's life. Floor seems like a perfect fit.
I love Floor's singing, but I just don't know if she's the right vocal fit for Nightwish.  She's a far better fit for the Tarja material than Anette ever was, but she's still not Tarja.  More versatile than Tarja, absolutely.  Tarja did what she did and excelled at it, though, not sure Floor can live up to that kind of focus on a style.  However, she's a great fit to move in and out of the Tarja and Anette material because of that versatility.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
Honestly, I don't get Anette's view that it was somehow wrong for the band to carry on without her the other night.  Tarja was with the band from day 1, and many a fan considered her the voice and face of the band.  Even though she turned out to be mistaken, I can understand her growing into thinking that Nightwish revolved around her.  But Anette?  No way.  How could she be so naive as to think the band shouldn't somehow find a way to carry on rather than cancel a show when she suddenly fell ill?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on October 01, 2012, 05:14:44 PM
God dammit. I was supposed to see them in 11 days. :(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 01, 2012, 05:37:47 PM
Honestly, I don't get Anette's view that it was somehow wrong for the band to carry on without her the other night.  Tarja was with the band from day 1, and many a fan considered her the voice and face of the band.  Even though she turned out to be mistaken, I can understand her growing into thinking that Nightwish revolved around her.  But Anette?  No way.  How could she be so naive as to think the band shouldn't somehow find a way to carry on rather than cancel a show when she suddenly fell ill?

She tried to do a show, but couldn't quite do it. She probably felt unsure about continuing giving fans a not so great performance, plus her cyst might be causing problems off stage. Her health is most important and maybe asked the band to cancel the remaining dates, band said no so she got upset.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
None of that justifies her objection to the band going on with replacement vocalists.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 01, 2012, 06:29:18 PM
God dammit. I was supposed to see them in 11 days. :(
...so you're going to sell your tickets because, why?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on October 01, 2012, 06:50:53 PM
I hadn't bought the tickets yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2012, 07:17:41 PM
Given that Floor Jansen will be fronting them, I would get on that right away if I were you.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 01, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
Why not still go, then?  It'll probably be a much better show with Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 01, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
I watched The Island from Denver and damn that was heartfelt, especially the when the audience sang.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
Okay, some formal thoughts other than "Oh happy day".

I think Annette was terrific on the CD's. However live she was just awful. Every single youtube clip, and every single time I saw her live it was just mediocre at best and terrible at worst. Also the fact that she isn't able to play most of the old material was annoying.

Now, I hope Tarja does NOT come back. Her voice is getting pretty bland as well, since she seems to lack any control live.

Floor as a fill in? Well I am going to go out of my way to catch a show in California if I can for no other reason that seeing Floor front the band.

Now, Annette was pissed because the band went on stage and didn't cancel to preserve the image of the band? Such is life kiddo.

Annette is not the band, if anything Tuamos is the band. Nightwish are a pro band and the show must go on. She's sick? Get a fill in. Marco's sick? Get a fill in. etc etc. She is just a (formerly) pretty face to front them Tuomases vision.

So I hope the next singer has more variety in style that Annette did.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 01, 2012, 11:36:53 PM
I don't think any reasonable fan of the band will be able to accept a new singer after they've seen Floor live seeing how she's leagues above Tarja and Annette put together.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Dark Master on October 01, 2012, 11:37:11 PM
Can't really say I'm surprised or disappointed.  I saw them live both with Tarja and Anette and Tarja completely blew her away.  Yeah, maybe she was arrogant onstage, and perhaps even backstage with the band, but she put on a stellar performance and owned the crowd with her voice.  Anette's voice and stage presence was always rather weak and her more straight forward rock-style approach to singing was very at odds with the operatic/symphonic style of the band, and lacked the grandeur and proper classical training to front a band with a sound as vast and epic as Nightwish.  Not to mention that by picking a singer who sounded radically different from their previous one, Nightwish alienated a lot of their fanbase by being unable to perform certain songs live while drastically altering the sound of other classics.  I do feel a bit sorry for Anette, because it always sucks to be fired like this, and she seemed like a decent enough person, but truth be told, she never should have been in the band to begin with.  That is not her fault at all; that lapse in judgment lies squarely on the shoulders of Toumas and the guys for not selecting a singer with a voice more compatible with their back catalouge and their existent fanbase.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2012, 11:38:52 PM
Ok......Floor Jansen needs to be the new permanent Nightwish singer....she can sing ANY song from the band's catalog!! Here is a video of her range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDSyesik2Us

Man, I wish they picked more than just the first 2 AF albums when she was still not amazing and still pretty generic.

However the AF albums after Mark quit her rock voice is just unbeatable. The fact that she can sing as tough (not raspy) as Russell Allen and then do Opera that blows Tarja away the next minute makes her the best in this genre.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 01, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
I still get completely awestruck by her performance on their new song Sins. 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0E3xREwliI

She makes it looks so effortless and easy, doesn't break a sweat. Floor is like a female, classically trained Devin Townsend.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2012, 11:47:07 PM
Few other thoughts I just had.


How long has Floor known she might be a fill in? I mean there's no way she could learn the entire set in what...3 days or something? She must have been preparing for a little while. Hmm.


Also, I hope they take advantage of her voice and play Phantom of the Opera or something.....even though they won't.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on October 02, 2012, 12:11:46 AM
Why not still go, then?  It'll probably be a much better show with Floor.

Because it's a 6 hour drive and I'm not gonna make a two-day trip out of what is essentially a novelty show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on October 02, 2012, 01:08:48 AM
Whoa.

I liked Anette, although not as much as I did Tarja. I don't really care about the new, more symphonic Nightwish, so I'll hope that whoever the replacement will be, they'd return to the Oceanborn style.

Which will not happen.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 02, 2012, 03:18:46 AM
The fact that she can sing as tough (not raspy) as Russell Allen and then do Opera that blows Tarja away the next minute makes her the best in this genre.
I gotta say, I saw many fans post "well they got some replacement singer" and it made me giggle out loud. I'm not into symphonic metal but even I know who Floor Jansen is, because she's badass. Maybe they need to listen to bands other than Nightwish, though I'm sure for some that's a hard concept to grasp. Or, you know, google their supposedly favorite band's replacement vocalist before posting comments on the internet.

tl;dr Things that make Milena sad - Knowledge is so readily available and no one wants to inform themselves.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on October 02, 2012, 03:31:59 AM
Alright. The fact that Anette is out of the the band has finally sunk in. Given all that has occurred here on DTF, it's has not been easy. I've been a fan of Nightwish since their Century Child years, I went through the breakup, and now I have to go through it again. I hear a lot of prejudice against Anette, and I will admit that some it has come from me. Nontheless, I am sick and tired of hearing and reading about it.

Sure, Anette was not a perfect fit. She could not sing all the songs you 'fans' wanted to hear during their shows, but you know what? The band chose her for a reason. They thought it a good fit for the music their wanted to make, and, you know what, they made two damn good albums because of it. Dark Passion Play had a lot of animosity against Tarja and her husband, especially on Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed, but I'm willing to overlook that. Their music was fucking beautiful. Sometimes an artist needs to let out the emotion so his true art flows smoothly. Such is the way with DPP and Imaginaerum, and the latter was fucking amazing.

I don't care who sings on the next album, tour, or whatever. The fact that you deem it fit to bash someone the moment they are out of a band if disgraceful and disrespectful. Last time I heard, DTF was a place to present a proper and insightful response to what was happening in the world, whether it was with Dream Theater or otherwise. Bosk1 represents this properly, and that's the only reference I'm using as far as I'm concerned. Neutral and objective, I always respect him. As far as anyone else is concerned *cough*Adami*cough*, keep living in the past and wishing that Tarja will come back. I'm sure it will happen 'someday'. As for everyone else, it isn't going to happen! The cuts are too deep and the damage is done. Maybe, in an alternate universe, Tarja would rejoin, but until we make like Dr. Who and get a Tardis, stop pretending!

I thought this was a progressive board, but so far I'm not feeling the progressive status that it should. Progression, to me, means thinking in a forward motion. I like the talk that we have about Floor joining, but that's about all the silver lining I'm seeing. I still feel there is waaay too much spiteful talk towards Anette. So, as far as I'm concerned, until people start appreciating Nightwish for NIGHTWISH, stick to doing what you do best and talk about Dream Theater. If I get banned, then I don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2012, 07:16:25 AM
Fu... I'm absolutely devastated that Anette is gone! I really loved her with Nightwish... So thankful I was able to see them in Columbus. Please let this not affect the movie's release date...

Also, I just listened to Floor, and I am, we'll, not floored. I hoped that the operatic style was gone forever from Nightwish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on October 02, 2012, 07:26:28 AM
No reunion happening (not that I imagined one would happen) - Ilta-Sanomat (https://www.iltasanomat.fi/musiikki/art-1288504168997.html) asked Tarja about this situation and her answer was: "I didn't know about this at all and I'm not interested. Good luck to both parties."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 02, 2012, 07:41:53 AM
@ThroughHerEyeysDude/: Calm down. :lol. Seeing them part ways gives some optimism to people, oh no.  That's not bashing or living in the past, and how can you go after Adami wanting Tarja back when just a few post earlier he said just the opposite?

Why not still go, then?  It'll probably be a much better show with Floor.

Because it's a 6 hour drive and I'm not gonna make a two-day trip out of what is essentially a novelty show.
How is this what takes them to a novelty?  Nightwish isn't one person (except maybe Tuomas).  ...and even if you want to call them a novelty, so what?  Floor Jansen is out front, After Forever was a much better show than Nightwish was with Anette.  She's not just some unknown fill in, she's big in symphonic metal.  That's largely earned by her singing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 02, 2012, 07:48:18 AM
Portnoy posting from Throughhereyesdude6's account.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 02, 2012, 07:54:50 AM

Also, I just listened to Floor, and I am, we'll, not floored. I hoped that the operatic style was gone forever from Nightwish.
Floor is not an operatic/classical singer the way Tarja is.  Floor is more of a chameleon, a powerful one.  Were she a replacement permanently I would expect new Nightwish to fall between a Once and DPP sound vocally.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2012, 08:07:39 AM
^ But will she be able to do the "poppier" stuff like Storytime?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 08:17:19 AM
How long has Floor known she might be a fill in? I mean there's no way she could learn the entire set in what...3 days or something? She must have been preparing for a little while. Hmm.

I saw an article yesterday that speculated that this must have been on the works for awhile.  While it makes sense, I'm not entirely sure that it necessarily had to have been planned way in advance.  I'm pretty sure she's been a friend and fan of the band for a long time.  She probably knows a lot of their material inside out without even having to prep.  If Nightwish were some obscure band that she had maybe heard once or twice, that would be a different story. 

The fact that you deem it fit to bash someone the moment they are out of a band if disgraceful and disrespectful...   

???  I haven't gone back and re-read every post, but I'm not sure I saw any real "bashing" going on.  Adami obviously has a more extreme reaction to Anette than most on the forum, but from what I have seen, his criticism has been pretty limited to pointing out that her live performances that he has seen have consistently been sub-par.  Honestly, I don't think anyone can really take issue with that.  Most of what I have seen really hasn't been very good either.  I've tried to be supportive of Anette in the band, but her live performances almost always seem to be very pitchy.  So I certainly don't see anything wrong with people pointing that out.  If you think some posts have crossed the line, by all means report them and we will take a close look to make sure people are following the rules in how they post.  But nothing has jumped out at me as blatantly crossing the line.  Sorry if you disagree.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 02, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
^ But will she be able to do the "poppier" stuff like Storytime?
You're asking can an accomplished, trained singer do stuff like Storytime. Dude, no offense, but I could do Storytime :rollin I'd say the more drastic change was Anette tackling the older, dramatic, operatic songs and not the other way around. This woman can sing everything; she'll do fine.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
Wow, I also have to say that after watching some clips of Floor with Revamp, she just KILLS it live.  She not only can sing, but she's got great stage presence as well.  I remember checking out some After Forever clips years ago and not being very impressed.  I mean, her singing was great.  But the band as a whole didn't really do much for me.  But these Revamp clips from Graspop 2010 that I've been watching are just amazing.  She's incredibly dynamic and completely controls the stage.  She should definitely take the Nightwish live show up a notch on this tour.  Man, I wish I could see them!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkChestOfWonders on October 02, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
Wow, I also have to say that after watching some clips of Floor with Revamp, she just KILLS it live.  She not only can sing, but she's got great stage presence as well.  I remember checking out some After Forever clips years ago and not being very impressed.  I mean, her singing was great.  But the band as a whole didn't really do much for me.  But these Revamp clips from Graspop 2010 that I've been watching are just amazing.  She's incredibly dynamic and completely controls the stage.  She should definitely take the Nightwish live show up a notch on this tour.  Man, I wish I could see them!

Here's a thought.  Listen to me when I say someone is awesome.  I'm rarely wrong, you know.  :hearts:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2012, 08:45:38 AM
^ But will she be able to do the "poppier" stuff like Storytime?
You're asking can an accomplished, trained singer do stuff like Storytime. Dude, no offense, but I could do Storytime :rollin I'd say the more drastic change was Anette tackling the older, dramatic, operatic songs and not the other way around. This woman can sing everything; she'll do fine.

I wasn't referring to talent, simply style. Tarja would've sounded awful on Imaginaerum if the songs had stayed the same. Can anyone refer me to videos of Floor doing a non-operatic style?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 02, 2012, 08:54:57 AM
Give me a little, but Floor is very versatile in singing styles, opera is not her primary method.  ...I'm not sure any particular style is.  She can do a pop style.

Single with her more rock style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjm4BrNAf6s&feature=share&list=LP_iGde3dLR9w
Nice compilation of her versatility: https://youtu.be/D2gYGVR7s_8

...and I would like to repeat she was amazing live.  She twirled her hair a lot during breaks, but that was my only complaint.  Made me dizzy. :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 02, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
I wasn't referring to talent, simply style. Tarja would've sounded awful on Imaginaerum if the songs had stayed the same. Can anyone refer me to videos of Floor doing a non-operatic style?
Sorry if my response was a bit douchey and vague :/ it's just that, I haven't heard of any operatic singer who couldn't sing clean well enough to tackle Storytime-ish stuff. It just seems inconceivable to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 02, 2012, 09:36:22 AM
I'm no expert and appreciate your point, but you also have to consider that Tarja's style is likely ingrained into her.  Speaking broadly, when you develop an expert skill set it sometimes becomes difficult to step down into a simpler form.  Not being an expert in singing, it wouldn't surprise me if Tarja had a hard time 'hiding' her opera skill.  Maybe that's wrong, but it feels true.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2012, 09:40:06 AM
After listening to that compilation video, I feel a little bit better. I will definitely admit that Floor is much more skilled than Anette, but I just loved Imaginaerum (and I'm afraid that Tuomas will revert to more of the "pre-Anette" era).

I will miss Anette though :( Hope everything is okay with her health.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 09:51:27 AM
Here' are a couple of clips that show some nice diversity between her operatic style and a more aggressive metal style, as well as some less operatic-style singing that still has soaring vocals: 

The Trial Of Monsters  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lbHe8HVk6c)

Kill Me With Silence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=HzbEamfTcMc)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 02, 2012, 10:09:06 AM
I always thought that Anette was kind of a weak singer live with Nightwish but i really honestly love the album stuff she did with NW so i always been supportive of her and also for the fact that we live in the same city!  :metal

So i'm sad but still hopefull and regarding Floor i must say that she's an amazing singer that i have known since Arjen Lucassen introduced her in his projects. I think she would have been a good fit actually but we'll see. Her sister is good too!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
Alright. The fact that Anette is out of the the band has finally sunk in. Given all that has occurred here on DTF, it's has not been easy. I've been a fan of Nightwish since their Century Child years, I went through the breakup, and now I have to go through it again. I hear a lot of prejudice against Anette, and I will admit that some it has come from me. Nontheless, I am sick and tired of hearing and reading about it.

Sure, Anette was not a perfect fit. She could not sing all the songs you 'fans' wanted to hear during their shows, but you know what? The band chose her for a reason. They thought it a good fit for the music their wanted to make, and, you know what, they made two damn good albums because of it. Dark Passion Play had a lot of animosity against Tarja and her husband, especially on Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed, but I'm willing to overlook that. Their music was fucking beautiful. Sometimes an artist needs to let out the emotion so his true art flows smoothly. Such is the way with DPP and Imaginaerum, and the latter was fucking amazing.

I don't care who sings on the next album, tour, or whatever. The fact that you deem it fit to bash someone the moment they are out of a band if disgraceful and disrespectful. Last time I heard, DTF was a place to present a proper and insightful response to what was happening in the world, whether it was with Dream Theater or otherwise. Bosk1 represents this properly, and that's the only reference I'm using as far as I'm concerned. Neutral and objective, I always respect him. As far as anyone else is concerned *cough*Adami*cough*, keep living in the past and wishing that Tarja will come back. I'm sure it will happen 'someday'. As for everyone else, it isn't going to happen! The cuts are too deep and the damage is done. Maybe, in an alternate universe, Tarja would rejoin, but until we make like Dr. Who and get a Tardis, stop pretending!

I thought this was a progressive board, but so far I'm not feeling the progressive status that it should. Progression, to me, means thinking in a forward motion. I like the talk that we have about Floor joining, but that's about all the silver lining I'm seeing. I still feel there is waaay too much spiteful talk towards Anette. So, as far as I'm concerned, until people start appreciating Nightwish for NIGHTWISH, stick to doing what you do best and talk about Dream Theater. If I get banned, then I don't give a fuck.

1. I don't want Tarja back and explicitly stated so a little while back.

2. I said Annette was quite great on the CD's, she just wasn't very good live.

3. I never said anything else negative about her what so ever.

4. From now on, if you're going to bash me and my opinions, at least read my posts past the first sentence and get my opinions straight.

Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 02, 2012, 10:53:47 AM
I can only say that I´ve been in her presence once, and she´s pretty intimidating up close! I mean, this girl is Tall!!

Also, she´s very beautiful, in a modest way and off course, an increddible singer!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 02, 2012, 11:11:28 AM
I loved Anette because she added a bit of soul. Slow,Love,Slow and Meadows.of Heavens end come to mind. Plus, her sinister tone on Imaginarium made that album more darker Marcos voice could've.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 11:14:41 AM
Never liked Meadows of Heaven at all.  But Slow, Love, Slow is amazing. 

I also thought she did a good job with Imaginaerium.  I think it was a combination of her growing as a singer and becoming more familiar with the band's style, and the fact that this was the first album that was written with her voice in mind and played to her strengths.  Hopefully, they will made the decision on the next singer and work with her a bit before writing the next album. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2012, 11:17:03 AM
she did an amazing job on imaginarium. In facg its probably my 2nd favorite nightwish album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
Probably my third, behind Century Child and Once.
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Post by: Adami on October 02, 2012, 11:39:16 AM
Right behindd Oceanborn. For me. But those two are probably top 5 as well. Aside from their first album, they're all pretty stellar.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 02, 2012, 11:46:20 AM
Imaginaerum and Oceanborn are the only consistent Nightwish albums. The others have good songs, but a lot of filler too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 11:47:24 AM
I should maybe listen to Oceanbord again soon.  I know it's a favorite.  I don't dislike it, but it never really achieved the heights for me that it has for many.  Century Child and Once really just zeroed in on my tastes perfectly, so those are hard to beat in my book.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 02, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
I don't know, Wishmaster, Once, and Century Child are stellar, but the rest all have too many problems.  Oceanborn still sounds a little stale to me, but I suspect it is my fourth favourite, now.  Dark Passion Play has aged miserably and Imaginarium never really caught my attention, so neither sit well with me as whole albums despite some great songs on each.  Polish and experience alone puts them ahead of Angels Fall First, though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 02, 2012, 11:58:32 AM
I should maybe listen to Oceanbord again soon.  I know it's a favorite.  I don't dislike it, but it never really achieved the heights for me that it has for many.  Century Child and Once really just zeroed in on my tastes perfectly, so those are hard to beat in my book.

Same here. Bless The Child, Ever Dream, Dead to The World (my,fave), and End of All Hope are a nice blend of Operatic and soft vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 02, 2012, 01:01:54 PM
Ok, so this is coming from someone who is a second-tier Nightwish fan, ie I have all their albums, enjoy them all to varying degrees, but don't listen to them regularly. I've also never seen them live till last night.

Holy shit. They put on a phenomenal show!

But first.... I talked to some people in line and inside, I'd say maybe 2 out out 5 knew about Floor/Anette. Those that did were not disappointed or bothered, and those that didn't did not seem upset. Some said that they just love the music, and trust Tuomas and the guys would fine a solid replacement. Others were excited to see what Floor could do with the band. Some didn't know who Floor was.

So the band starts playing, crowd goes nuts, and Floor comes out to sing Storytime. Big ovation. I was expecting maybe an introduction or announcement beforehand, but nothing. Still crowd goes nuts. No sense of "whoa... who the hell is that?" So after Storytime and Wish I Had An Angel, Marco introduces Floor. Big applause. No mention of Anette. A couple more songs, Floor kills on all of them. She came in early once, looked at the guys with a "Ah, crap" smile, and Marco and Emppu looked at her with huge smiles as if to say "shit happens, you are doing awesome" (at least that is how I read it). Tuomas jokingly cued her in, and when she came on at the right time, more huge applause from the crowd.

About half way through, Floor said there were a million things she wanted to say, but didn't know if it would come out right. She said she was moved, excited, nervous, honored, and you could tell it meant a lot to her. Huge applause.

You can find the setlist online, I don't recall it 100%, but it was solid. There was also a little acoustic section. The dude with those weird pipes (can't recall what they are called) played on some songs and it really added to the atmosphere and performance.

I think it was Adami who has said they have been lifeless on stage lately. Again, first time seeing them, but I don't think I have ever seen a happier group of guys (and gal) on stage. They were all smiles, energetic, interacting with each other and the crowd, and put on one hell of a show. It ended with more sincere thank yous from Floor, and raucous applause.

If you have a chance to see them play with Floor, please, please do so. Floor, I don't know what is on your schedule for the next 5-10 years, but please join Nightwish full-time.


Also, Kamelot put on a great show. I am even less familiar with them, but am trying to rectify that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 01:16:52 PM
Good news!  I've been looking for clips on Youtube, but so far, the only ones have TERRIBLE sound quality. 

As far as Floor becoming a permanent member, it may sound awesome on paper, but I'm not sure it would work.  Yeah, she's a tremendous voice and stage presence.  But from what I understand, she is also a very strong personality and likes things how she likes them.  Not sure that kind of personality will fly in an already-established band like Nightwish--especially when you already have an undisputed sole band leader in Tuomas.  It's next to impossible in a band where you have a strong, type-A leader.  But although Tuomas is THE leader of the band, I think her particular personality and leadership style would make it even more difficult.  From everything I have heard about the guy, he is quiet and can become passive-aggressive in dealing with people.  It seems like the unwritten rule is, "just be quiet and do what I say," and when people go against the grain, he will just quietly burn and will eventually just do away with the person if they don't fall in line with his expectations rather than him confronting the issue and dealing with it.  Again, where you have such an established musician and strong personality like Floor, I'm not sure the resulting band dynamic would work.  But I guess time will tell whether (1) that is the road they decide on and (2) whether it will work.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Dark Master on October 02, 2012, 02:51:46 PM
Good news!  I've been looking for clips on Youtube, but so far, the only ones have TERRIBLE sound quality. 

As far as Floor becoming a permanent member, it may sound awesome on paper, but I'm not sure it would work.  Yeah, she's a tremendous voice and stage presence.  But from what I understand, she is also a very strong personality and likes things how she likes them.  Not sure that kind of personality will fly in an already-established band like Nightwish--especially when you already have an undisputed sole band leader in Tuomas.  It's next to impossible in a band where you have a strong, type-A leader.  But although Tuomas is THE leader of the band, I think her particular personality and leadership style would make it even more difficult.  From everything I have heard about the guy, he is quiet and can become passive-aggressive in dealing with people.  It seems like the unwritten rule is, "just be quiet and do what I say," and when people go against the grain, he will just quietly burn and will eventually just do away with the person if they don't fall in line with his expectations rather than him confronting the issue and dealing with it.  Again, where you have such an established musician and strong personality like Floor, I'm not sure the resulting band dynamic would work.  But I guess time will tell whether (1) that is the road they decide on and (2) whether it will work.

I think whether or not Floor has any real future with the band will largely depend on if she has any real songwriting chemistry with Toumas.  From what I understand about the guy, Tuomas may be the undisputed mastermind of Nighwish, but he is willing to work with the ideas of others and incorporate them into the band's music, provided they can be made to fit his vision for Nightwish.  If Floor and Toumas are on the same level creatively, maybe we could see her joining the band on a more permanent basis, but if they don't see eye to eye in the writing department, I think Floor's tenure in Nighwish will be very short indeed.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 02, 2012, 03:08:45 PM
I was basically making my comment based on this one performance I saw, still basking in its afterglow. Outside the music, I know little about Nightwish, and even less about Floor. And again this could have been lightning in a bottle, but they all looked so happy and lively on stage, which sounds different than how it was been with Anette.

Also, they were pretty strict with cameras, so footage from this show might be limited.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 02, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
Good news!  I've been looking for clips on Youtube, but so far, the only ones have TERRIBLE sound quality. 

As far as Floor becoming a permanent member, it may sound awesome on paper, but I'm not sure it would work.  Yeah, she's a tremendous voice and stage presence.  But from what I understand, she is also a very strong personality and likes things how she likes them.  Not sure that kind of personality will fly in an already-established band like Nightwish--especially when you already have an undisputed sole band leader in Tuomas.  It's next to impossible in a band where you have a strong, type-A leader.  But although Tuomas is THE leader of the band, I think her particular personality and leadership style would make it even more difficult.  From everything I have heard about the guy, he is quiet and can become passive-aggressive in dealing with people.  It seems like the unwritten rule is, "just be quiet and do what I say," and when people go against the grain, he will just quietly burn and will eventually just do away with the person if they don't fall in line with his expectations rather than him confronting the issue and dealing with it.  Again, where you have such an established musician and strong personality like Floor, I'm not sure the resulting band dynamic would work.  But I guess time will tell whether (1) that is the road they decide on and (2) whether it will work.

I think whether or not Floor has any real future with the band will largely depend on if she has any real songwriting chemistry with Toumas.  From what I understand about the guy, Tuomas may be the undisputed mastermind of Nighwish, but he is willing to work with the ideas of others and incorporate them into the band's music, provided they can be made to fit his vision for Nightwish.  If Floor and Toumas are on the same level creatively, maybe we could see her joining the band on a more permanent basis, but if they don't see eye to eye in the writing department, I think Floor's tenure in Nighwish will be very short indeed.
It will probably help if Tuomas doesn't become infatuated with Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2012, 03:24:48 PM
I don't really like Floor's "tone," as she simply doesn't sound right on Storytime (of course, this was the first show and not the greatest audio, so I will patiently wait for more before judging too seriously).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNXPFoQF0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNXPFoQF0w)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 04:06:30 PM
I don't really like Floor's "tone," as she simply doesn't sound right on Storytime (of course, this was the first show and not the greatest audio, so I will patiently wait for more before judging too seriously).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNXPFoQF0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNXPFoQF0w)

Really?  Even with the relatively poor audio quality, I think she sounds great. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 02, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
Checked the Warfield sight today and noticed they are playing tomorrow night with Kamelot opening. I got the day off and 40 bucks. Never heard  a song of Nightwish's, but am seriously considering taking a solo trip to see the show.(I have heard a decent amount of Kamelot, I like them though am not a huge fan)


Convince me to go.....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Convince me to go.....

You should go.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
Checked the Warfield sight today and noticed they are playing tomorrow night with Kamelot opening. I got the day off and 40 bucks. Never heard  a song of Nightwish's, but am seriously considering taking a solo trip to see the show.(I have heard a decent amount of Kamelot, I like them though am not a huge fan)


Convince me to go.....

Go. And ill eat at your restaurant Thursday.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
If it were any day this week other than tomorrow, I'd go.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 02, 2012, 04:36:21 PM
If it were any day this week other than tomorrow, I'd go.

I hear ya, gotta see how I am tomorrow morning after seeing Gabriel tonight. Not sure my abused ears can handle two shows back to back.



@Adami-tempting, very tempting.....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2012, 04:59:28 PM
You know what else is tempting?

Dennys. You gonna make me do that?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 02, 2012, 05:04:01 PM
Convince me to go.....
You'll see Tommy Karevik live singing kickass quality metal. For me that's all really.

But if you want more... Kamelot is an amazing band and they put on an amazing show, and Nightwish's music... well I can't imagine you strongly disliking it in a live setting, even less so if you hear it for the first time, and being fronted by one of top female voices in the industry (although I hate making that distinction, I should have just said top voices) definitely puts that over the edge.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
Some audio-only full song clips are surfacing on Youtube.  Audio quality isn't great, but it's better than the couple of short cell phone videos that popped up earlier.  Search "Nightwish Seattle" and filter for videos posted today.  Here are a couple:

Scaretale (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJkEVHaHm18)

Dead to the World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFkm7zl_GEQ)

Planet Hell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmerid18QWk)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 02, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
I'll continue with the decision making process later, I'm in full Gabriel mode now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 02, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
Full setlist, terrible audio - https://soundcloud.com/nwchilemasters (from Floor's FB)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 05:56:50 PM
Full setlist, terrible audio - https://soundcloud.com/nwchilemasters (from Floor's FB)
 
I wish we'd get something with a little better quality.  The problem with a bad mic is that the frequencies that a mezzo soprano's vocals fall in just gets murdered, so the singing is going to sound like crap no matter how good the performance was.  Hopefully, we get some better stuff from some of the upcoming shows.  I know the staff at the Warfield are camera nazis as well, so we'll probably have to wait until AFTER S.F. to get anything good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 02, 2012, 05:58:11 PM
Yeah. Is it me or do we really get a significantly fewer soundboard bootlegs these days?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Was there EVER a time when soundboard boots were common?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 02, 2012, 06:01:15 PM
No but they are even fewer now. I kind of wish other bands would do like Metallica and monetize that. It's also a great fan-service but I can see how it may not be so profitable for low-profile bands and hurt them for their actual live albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2012, 06:04:24 PM
I wish they would as well.  I am obviously not in a position to accurately crunch the numbers, but I would think that even for smaller bands, it would be more lucrative and they would make more money selling soundboard "bootlegs" than doing actual live albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 02, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
After Forever covering She Is My Sin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz4Y7iT-fis&feature=related
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on October 03, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
No reunion happening (not that I imagined one would happen) - Ilta-Sanomat (https://www.iltasanomat.fi/musiikki/art-1288504168997.html) asked Tarja about this situation and her answer was: "I didn't know about this at all and I'm not interested. Good luck to both parties."

This article made me facepalm mentally. We all now that Tarja does not care, they just wanted to perform some clickwhoring.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 03, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
Okay so I feel a super group forming soon.

Annette and Tarja on Vocals.
Mike Portnoy on Drums.
Timo Tolki on Guitars.


Any contenders for bass?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 03, 2012, 01:18:34 AM
JM of course. And he still won't talk to MP.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 03, 2012, 01:19:31 AM
JM of course. And he still won't talk to MP.

Come on man, notice the trend!

They all have to have left their band (or got fired) and also thought the band needed them to survive.

JM doesn't fit that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 03, 2012, 01:22:12 AM
But what if he tackles Mangini?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: efxf on October 03, 2012, 01:59:32 AM
Geoff Tate should join them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 03, 2012, 02:36:17 AM
Geoff Tate on bass. He probably thinks he's the bestest best bass player anyway.

Wishavarius Featuring Geoff Tate the Original Bass
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on October 03, 2012, 03:41:58 AM
Roger Waters, anyone? Perfect contender, methinks.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Lynxo on October 03, 2012, 03:58:02 AM
Floor Jansen is awesome. She's also so damn hot that it's impossible for me to to listen to After Forever without having an erection through the roof.

I really hope she becomes a permanent member.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 03, 2012, 06:29:29 AM
I really hope she becomes a permanent member.

You mean like the one you have?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Lynxo on October 03, 2012, 07:00:25 AM
I really hope she becomes a permanent member.

You mean like the one you have?
Not sure I follow you.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2012, 08:04:05 AM
Michael Anthony on bass and back up vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on October 03, 2012, 09:02:47 AM
No reunion happening (not that I imagined one would happen) - Ilta-Sanomat (https://www.iltasanomat.fi/musiikki/art-1288504168997.html) asked Tarja about this situation and her answer was: "I didn't know about this at all and I'm not interested. Good luck to both parties."

This article made me facepalm mentally. We all now that Tarja does not care, they just wanted to perform some clickwhoring.
Yeah, I did facepalm mentally as well. It's like every time something dramatic happens in the NW camp, the tabloids have to ask Tarja's view on the situation. ::)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 03, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
Some better video/sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygk7BGa6fs
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 03, 2012, 10:20:45 AM
I HATE how it just cuts from the middle of one song to the middle of the next!  But a cool thing is that you get to hear/see samples from throughout the set.  Looks like Floor is still trying to get her feet under herself in a new band environment, and she seems just a bit shaky early in the set.  But things really seem to step up as the show progresses.  No doubt she just needs time to get really comfortable with the band and the songs, but I think she's doing GREAT considering this is only her second show with them and she didn't get the benefit of pre-tour rehearsals that a singer would normally get with her band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 03, 2012, 10:43:58 AM
A friend of mine that saw Nightwish a few weeks ago dropped by a little while ago.  He asked me if I'd seen this video, yet, then told me one thing was clear, she's way better than Anette.  He was not impressed with Anette at ProgPower, and I've already been getting him into After Forever, recently.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 03, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
I really don't like how she sounds on a couple songs  :'( Storytime and Amaranth still just doesn't sound good at all (to me). It only sounded right with Anette. I actually think Amaranth sounds terrible :(

I'm very open to Floor, but I guess I will just need to get used to her (and of course, I am sure the songs I have issues with will greatly improve as she spends more time on tour and with the band).

Believe it or not, I actually preferred Anette's take on the older songs (I'm probably alone with that).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 03, 2012, 12:33:29 PM
I really don't like how she sounds on a couple songs  :'( Storytime and Amaranth still just doesn't sound good at all (to me). It only sounded right with Anette. I actually think Amaranth sounds terrible :(

I'm very open to Floor, but I guess I will just need to get used to her (and of course, I am sure the songs I have issues with will greatly improve as she spends more time on tour and with the band).

Believe it or not, I actually preferred Anette's take on the older songs (I'm probably alone with that).

Your not, I loved the way she annunciates certain words, like in Wish I Had An Angel I really love how she says Heart.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dittomist on October 03, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
I was at the show last night in Portland and I agree that Floor got better and more relaxed as the night went on. Right away you could tell that she was a fantastic singer and could handle both Tarja and Anette songs with ease. I started to really miss Anette though during Amaranth because her energy and spunk made that such a fun song. It wasn't until Scaretale where Floor got to really show off her range and her theatrical side, and I think the audience was totally behind her after that song.
She also had really good stage presence and excellent headbanging skills  :metal And she didn't seem to be the least bit nervous or unprepared; she didn't forget a single word of the lyrics and she never relied on notes. The other band members were smiling a lot during the show so there was obvious chemistry on stage. I couldn't believe that this was only their 2nd show together. It makes me wonder if Nightwish has always had an understudy that could fill in at a moment's notice so they never have to cancel a gig, or if Floor has known for weeks that there has been drama in the band regarding Anette.
I will say that the show had perhaps the biggest encore tease I've ever seen. The band took the bow and left the stage, with the lights still off and the Imaginaerum instrumental playing for several minutes, with the crowd cheering, stomping, chanting, etc, so it was a bit of a letdown when they never returned. I wonder if this is how they've ended every show this tour.
I will miss Anette because her voice had so much personality and beauty, but if Floor is to be the permanent replacement, I don't think too many people will complain.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 03, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
Believe it or not, I actually preferred Anette's take on the older songs (I'm probably alone with that).

I suspect you indeed are. 

As far as the newer stuff, I can understand how strange it sounds with someone different.  And, granted, Floor sounds a bit rough and unrehearsed, which is natural because...well, she's pretty unrehearsed.  :lol  But as has been said quite a few times, while Anette may have sounded good on the studio performances of the songs on the last two albums, I haven't really heard any live performances where she sounded very good at all.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 03, 2012, 12:38:28 PM
I couldn't believe that this was only their 2nd show together. It makes me wonder if Nightwish has always had an understudy that could fill in at a moment's notice so they never have to cancel a gig, or if Floor has known for weeks that there has been drama in the band regarding Anette.

Obviously, it's possible that she's been preparing for awhile.  But, although I might be naive, I think she just knows the songs.  She's obviously been close to the band and has performed some of their material before, so I think she's just very familiar with their material to begin with.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 03, 2012, 12:42:17 PM
I will say that the show had perhaps the biggest encore tease I've ever seen. The band took the bow and left the stage, with the lights still off and the Imaginaerum instrumental playing for several minutes, with the crowd cheering, stomping, chanting, etc, so it was a bit of a letdown when they never returned. I wonder if this is how they've ended every show this tour.

Same with Seattle. Beyond annoying.
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Post by: lonestar on October 03, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
OK, tickets purchased, now to see if I can get there early enough to get front row.


Guess I better listen to some of their stuff, huh?
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Post by: CrimsonE on October 03, 2012, 01:56:28 PM
No but they are even fewer now. I kind of wish other bands would do like Metallica and monetize that. It's also a great fan-service but I can see how it may not be so profitable for low-profile bands and hurt them for their actual live albums.

I wish other bands would do it as well.  However, it works best when you vary your setlist from night to night, which is what Metallica has done beginning with the St. Anger tour.  When the setlist remains the same night after night, it is pretty much a keepsake for those who attend, but there is very little interest to get more than one show.  I remember Pearl Jam released a slew of live shows from the late 90's and early 2000's and they were all quite different. 

Actually, that's something I'd love to see DT do, particularly if they go back to having more variance in their setlists (as opposed to the A & B sets they've done on this tour).   
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 03, 2012, 02:03:28 PM
Actually, that's something I'd love to see DT do, particularly if they go back to having more variance in their setlists (as opposed to the A & B sets they've done on this tour).
At least in special occasions where there is variance.
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Post by: lonestar on October 03, 2012, 08:52:44 PM
Hey bosk1, got the same seats we had for DT!!!!
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Post by: lonestar on October 04, 2012, 01:53:32 AM
OK, in all seriousness, that was one of the best shows I have ever seen. Fucking amazing. :hefdaddy
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Post by: Ruba on October 04, 2012, 01:59:02 AM
Dead to the World sounded good, but I want to see Tapio Wilska (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESumfSkondA) as the new Nightwish vocalist  :biggrin:.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 04, 2012, 02:19:43 AM
OK, in all seriousness, that was one of the best shows I have ever seen. Fucking amazing. :hefdaddy
What did we tell you? ;D
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Post by: lonestar on October 04, 2012, 02:22:58 AM
Big thanks to everyone here and elsewhere for convincing me. I think it was when Nem told me that Floor was the singer that pushed me over the edge. Such an incredible performance, and one of the most electric audiences I have ever seen in SF.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 04, 2012, 05:42:23 AM
Big thanks to everyone here and elsewhere for convincing me. I think it was when Nem told me that Floor was the singer that pushed me over the edge. Such an incredible performance, and one of the most electric audiences I have ever seen in SF.

You be welcome.  And I'll be forever envious - and kicking myself until the end of time.
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Post by: Zukuduku on October 04, 2012, 08:33:43 AM
Tarja Turunen has now announced in a Finnish newspaper that she is willing to return to the band. (Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml (https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml) (warning: in Finnish)) Her only demand is that all the band members and the management of the band need to be replaced. So it's not likely to happen as long as Tuomas Holopainen remains in control of the band.

More seriously, I'm really anxiously waiting for Nightwish to play in my city. Still half a year before it happens, though. Floor Jansen just sounds like a perfect match to the band so I hope this will be a permanent solution.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2012, 09:36:30 AM
Hey bosk1, got the same seats we had for DT!!!!

:biggrin:  Nice!  :tup

Man, I really wish it had been any other night.  Would have loved to have gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVKO1JwlKf0

YEAH!
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 04, 2012, 09:46:59 AM
We're never gonna forgive ourselves Bosk!
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Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
Well, I don't "regret" not going, because I definitely had more important things on the agenda.  But it's really a shame the scheduling worked out the way it did.  As I mentioned earlier, the staff at the Warfield can be REALLY strict about cameras, so I'm surprised at this, but a BUNCH of full song clips are showing up.

-Amaranth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qWLHB_7HyI) - Looks like someone had a good spot for filming, pretty close to dead center on the balcony.  If he were front row balcony, it would have been better, but security probably would have been all over him as well.  RJ was probably pretty much directly below this dude, but about 10 paces or so closer to the stage.  Anyway, as far as the song, this is the best I have EVER heard this song performed.  Sorry to say, Anette just couldn't pull it off live.  Floor sounded great, although the fact that she is singing a different melody on the chorus really threw me at first.

-Storytime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhSbWyH6Gw) - Floor OWNS this song!  Three shows in, and she is already starting to look and sound pretty comfortable with the band and the material.   :metal

-Wish I Had An Angel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uTWbPa2GW4) - Not my favorite song from them, but good job with it. 

There are quite a few more up as well.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 04, 2012, 10:14:39 AM
Tarja Turunen has now announced in a Finnish newspaper that she is willing to return to the band. (Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml (https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml) (warning: in Finnish)) Her only demand is that all the band members and the management of the band need to be replaced. So it's not likely to happen as long as Tuomas Holopainen remains in control of the band.

Sure, Tarja. Sure. :yeahright
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Post by: MetalMike06 on October 04, 2012, 11:02:25 AM
Tarja Turunen has now announced in a Finnish newspaper that she is willing to return to the band. (Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml (https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml) (warning: in Finnish)) Her only demand is that all the band members and the management of the band need to be replaced.

 :rollin
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Post by: lonestar on October 04, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
I actually moved between bands, had to pee and lost my spot. Here are the vids I shot...

Storytime....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8VyACRHlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8VyACRHlg)

Dark Chest of Wonders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IT3O7MaAuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IT3O7MaAuo)

I Want My Tears Back(phone died during this one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HN9t-Le_OI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HN9t-Le_OI)

Not the best quality by a long shot.
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Post by: Ruba on October 04, 2012, 12:34:25 PM
Tarja Turunen has now announced in a Finnish toiletpaper that she is willing to return to the band. (Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml (https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml) (warning: in Finnish)) Her only demand is that all the band members and the management of the band need to be replaced. So it's not likely to happen as long as Tuomas Holopainen remains in control of the band.

I hate that paper. But actually pretty good one from Tarja. That's right for the nosey tabloids.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2012, 12:50:51 PM
It was really dumb of them to even ask whether she would be open to coming back to Nightwish.  I mean, I get that it's an obvious question on the minds of some fans.  But it's a dumb question to ask HER.  She was fired.  What's she going to say?  She absolutely 100 times out of 100 has to say she has no plans to at this time, because it is 100% not up to her, even aside from the fact that she was dumped in a very acrimonious way. 
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Post by: Adami on October 04, 2012, 08:44:31 PM
So I watched the video of Amaranth and was let down.

On 99% of the song she was great, but my favorite part is the ending where Annette did the lead vocals over the chorus. I was always let down with Annette here cause she skipped out on the high note. And Floor just sings the chorus again and not the lead part.


This is probably because of how new she is to it, but it's also sadly not something that will likely be fixed by the time I see them. :(
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 05, 2012, 07:13:54 AM
Now I'm just getting upset with myself. I know Floor is a fantastic vocalist, and all of you seem to be really digging these videos (specifically Storytime/Amaranth), and I think it sounds awful. It barely sounds like she is hitting some of the notes (absolutely no power, she sounds very strained on "every memory" during the chorus of Storytime).
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Post by: robwebster on October 05, 2012, 07:37:32 AM
Where the hell have I been this last week!?

Really weird news. I thought Anette would be their last vocalist! And while having Floor ready in the wings is a little suspect, I'm surprised Anette took issue with the show continuing without her. Wonder if there's a little more to it than we're seeing, sure we've not heard the last of this - but, either way. Love Floor Jansen. Not seen her singing the Nightwish stuff yet, but I'm sure she'll be great. Didn't have the problems with Anette that lots of other people seemed to, think she was quite good - and sure, she was a little shaky live, but she filled the room when I saw them on her first tour, and in fairness, Tarja was pretty tremulous on End of an Era. Perfectly good successor, and I liked that she brought something very different to the band. Helped them grow in different ways.

Still! She'll be as missed as Tarja by me. Cool singer. Giving way, once again, to another cool singer.
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Post by: Shattered Glass on October 05, 2012, 08:39:38 AM
Imaginaerium is a fine cd and Anette's work on it was genius.  I find the whole "yay Floor" sentiment strange when watching her performances cos of how well Anette recorded and comparing the performances(don't really know Floor's work). There seems to be a lot of scapegoating going on and not enough accounting of what Anette contributed. I do not feel comfortable with the bands treatment of her or Tarja. This promoting of Floor as some mega babe seems like  over compensation thing; of Anette as a evil untalented diva a projection thing.

It was good of Tarja to speak up because Anette is getting hammered and treated like an afterthought or irrelevance; but I am amazed that people think she's breathlessly waiting to rejoin Nightwish  (after her own you can't quit cos you're fired situation and this recent evidence that nothing has changed). I'd actually prefer it if Nightwish had an Ayreon situation rather than witness this strangely recurring scenario again. Floor seems capable of navigating the Nightwish minefield though.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 05, 2012, 09:20:34 AM
Imaginaerium is a fine cd and Anette's work on it was genius.  I find the whole "yay Floor" sentiment strange when watching her performances cos of how well Anette recorded and comparing the performances(don't really know Floor's work). There seems to be a lot of scapegoating going on and not enough accounting of what Anette contributed. I do not feel comfortable with the bands treatment of her or Tarja.

I wouldn’t call Anette’s work ‘genius’ but I haven’t seen anyone here disparage her work on the albums. The criticisms people had were on how she performed live. And maybe people are gushing over Floor a bit too much (including myself) but some of that is due to the guys being able to find a solid replacement and continue with the tour instead of having to cancel.

And regards to the ‘bands treatment of her…’ she quit. How did they treat her inappropriately?
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 05, 2012, 09:58:53 AM
Well... I'm gushing over Floor because I love her voice.  And she's pretty easy on the eyes.  And I'm very glad she's back to touring after her illness stopped her from performing for a while.  I liked Annette for both albums (yes, BOTH).  Not sure I'd want Floor as a permanent replacement, as I don't think it would be a good long-term fit for Tuomas and his .... personality.
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Post by: MetalMike06 on October 05, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
I just saw a video of the Portland OR show and she sounded way better than in SF, from what I could tell.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 05, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
Her voice doesn't come across videos too well. I bet she sounds great being at the show
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Post by: lonestar on October 05, 2012, 07:14:13 PM
Here's a good video of her singing Song of Myself, what I thought was the best song of the night....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr1g5xs5-kM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr1g5xs5-kM)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 06, 2012, 05:25:25 AM
Pretty glowing review of the show at the Warfield:

https://spinningplatters.com/2012/10/05/show-review-nightwish-with-kamelot-at-the-warfield-1032012/ (https://spinningplatters.com/2012/10/05/show-review-nightwish-with-kamelot-at-the-warfield-1032012/)

One of the most difficult challenges that can face a band is the task of replacing their lead singer, since they are often one of the most important elements of the band’s sound, as well as one of the most recognizable faces in the group. When said band performs a genre of music as complex as symphonic heavy metal, that task becomes even more Herculean, especially when said vocalist possesses an incredible range, classical training, and a truly operatic quality to their voice — and such was the case in 2005, when Finnish band Nightwish were searching for someone to fill the shoes of signature siren Tarja Turunen. Two years later, soubrette soprano Anette Olzon took up the reigns, and remained with the quartet for half a decade. Halfway through their fall 2012 tour, however, a sudden hospitalization was the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back for Olzon’s position with Nightwish, and former After Forever vocalist Floor Jansen was summoned with barely a moment’s notice to spare. What the band may have planned after their Imaginaerum tour is still unknown, but Jansen has risen magnificently to the challenge before her, and if the band’s performance at the Warfield was any indication, she may remain with the group for a long time yet.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 06, 2012, 06:12:12 AM
Last ride of the day, Warfield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwd-2pXqy8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwd-2pXqy8)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 06, 2012, 06:20:46 AM
Last ride of the day, Warfield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwd-2pXqy8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwd-2pXqy8)

That may be the first time in Nightwish history that a lead vocalist are doin the windmill!  :lol :rollin :metal

Am i wrong?
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 06, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
Just saw the live videos with the After Forever girl. She has a nice voice, but I think she was having a hard time getting in pitch.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2012, 12:34:35 PM
Last ride of the day, Warfield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwd-2pXqy8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwd-2pXqy8)

Awesome video.  :hat
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Post by: Adami on October 06, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
Standing outside the venue now. Already saw nightwwish walk out and tour the city. Floor is freakin tall!
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Post by: lonestar on October 06, 2012, 02:57:07 PM
Standing outside the venue now. Already saw nightwwish walk out and tour the city. Floor is freakin tall!

I couldn't get an accurate judgement from where I was at, how tall do did she seem?
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Post by: Adami on October 06, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
Standing outside the venue now. Already saw nightwwish walk out and tour the city. Floor is freakin tall!

I couldn't get an accurate judgement from where I was at, how tall do did she seem?

Pretty close to my height.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2012, 03:21:03 PM
I bet she looks like a giant next to empu
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Post by: Adami on October 06, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Kamelot just pulled up. Saw thomas walking around.

Rest of kamelot are walking around now.
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Post by: lonestar on October 06, 2012, 03:37:15 PM
Standing outside the venue now. Already saw nightwwish walk out and tour the city. Floor is freakin tall!

I couldn't get an accurate judgement from where I was at, how tall do did she seem?

Pretty close to my height.

Nice, she just seemed to tower over the other guys on stage, enjoy the show bud!!!
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Post by: Adami on October 06, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
Best part so far, random guy from the venue comes out to ask us if we had seen the drummer for nightwish, apparently they lost him. Also tuamos and jukka not being able.to get in the venue for a minute.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2012, 03:47:49 PM
Holy god the singer from the agonist just walked past me and I had to keep my jaw from hitting the floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on October 06, 2012, 03:48:28 PM
Holy god the singer from the agonist just walked past me and I had to keep my jaw from hitting the floor.

Yeah she's pretty hot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
Dark Chest of Wonders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVKO1JwlKf0

Scaretale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ34zhY7Lk0&feature=relmfu

These are in 1080p, sounds good, and damn Floor looks good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2012, 07:50:15 PM
Kamelot is soud checking karma right now. Tommy sounds great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2012, 08:00:42 PM
Kamelot puts on a great job, Tommy does a great job. Enjoy.  :corn
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 06, 2012, 08:15:15 PM
No videos of Dead to the World
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on October 06, 2012, 11:11:29 PM
The long ass rant I had when I found out about Anette being out of the band on Page 21

I know it's a past post, but it needs to be said. I'm sorry I flew off the handle. Being arrogant and drunk is no reason to get so testy about people having their respective opinions about Nightwish, their future, Anette, Floor, or otherwise.
I know it's been a while, and I should have addressed this earlier, but like it's said: better late than never.
Adami, I apologize for publicly calling you out on something irrelevant without basis or fact, and in the spirit of the thread, I hope this too shall pass.


IN accordance with the thread, Floor is a good replacement. I like her.
Tommy sounds great in Kamelot as well. Look froward to Silverthorn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 07, 2012, 01:09:37 AM
As I said in the PM, it's all good bro.


So, just got back to my hotel from the Nightwish show.


HOLY CRAP

Whatever energy they lost the last few times I saw them, they got back 10 fold. They were on fire and Floor was out of this world. I got a VIP package and got to meet the band and talk to them, super cool guys. I also got front row for the show and made almost too much eye contact with Empu and Marco. There was one moment where Empu was in front of us and showing how warm he was, so I pretended to blow cool air on him and he laughed and said thanks. Super awesome. The set was great too, with only one 2 complaints for the whole show.

1. Floor didn't do the lead vocals at the end of Amaranthe. Ah well.

2. They sound checked Ghost Love Score, so we all thought they were going to play it....and then they didn't.

So next show, you guys might just get Ghost Love Score.



Also, part of the show almost brought me to tears. They played Higher Than Hope and the family of the guy who the song is about was next to the stage and the mom was crying while floor sang directly to her. Just a beautiful moment I was honored to be there for.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2012, 07:50:17 AM
That sucks about Ghost Love Score not being played, but maybe they felt they weren't ready yet.

Also, I like Floor, but her parents are assholes. Who names their kid Floor?


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Post by: jingle.boy on October 07, 2012, 08:23:45 AM
That sucks about Ghost Love Score not being played, but maybe they felt they weren't ready yet.

Also, I like Floor, but her parents are assholes. Who names their kid Floor?

Lots of people name their kids after the place they were conceived.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 07, 2012, 09:25:19 AM
That sucks about Ghost Love Score not being played, but maybe they felt they weren't ready yet.

Also, I like Floor, but her parents are assholes. Who names their kid Floor?

Lots of people name their kids after the place they were conceived.

Floor is/used to be a pretty common name for girls in the Netherlands....internationally, not so good a choice!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 07, 2012, 09:43:43 AM
That sucks about Ghost Love Score not being played, but maybe they felt they weren't ready yet.

Also, I like Floor, but her parents are assholes. Who names their kid Floor?

Lots of people name their kids after the place they were conceived.

"My daughter Floor, and my other children, Chevy, Dingy Bathroom, and Don't Know."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 07, 2012, 09:57:12 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 07, 2012, 10:33:33 AM
That sucks about Ghost Love Score not being played, but maybe they felt they weren't ready yet.

Also, I like Floor, but her parents are assholes. Who names their kid Floor?

Lots of people name their kids after the place they were conceived.

"My daughter Floor, and my other children, Chevy, Dingy Bathroom, and Don't Know."

:clap:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on October 08, 2012, 05:19:58 AM
Sheesh, I stop following this thread for a short while and so much drama happens to Nightwish! However, I cmopletely agree with this statement:

Now I am dying to see them live.

I always thought Floor was the best vocalist in this genre and will try to be in a city where they're playing so I can see them with her.
Floor is my favourite female metal singer, and one of my favourite metal singers at all. If she became a permement member that would just be incredible. After Forever were fantastic but her current band ReVamp aren't so interesting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2012, 05:54:25 AM
Just came to post that I purchased Imaginarium on the week of release and still haven't listened to the album once, WTF?!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 08, 2012, 06:32:44 AM
Just came to post that I purchased Imaginarium on the week of release and still haven't listened to the album once, WTF?!

Is that 'wtf' moment directed at yourself, or all the happenings with the band in the last 10 days or so?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2012, 09:51:59 PM
Definitely directed at myself.  Again, realised my cd purchasing obsession.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 08, 2012, 09:53:26 PM
Ok ... So are you aware that Annette got sick, then quit/fired, and Floor Jansen is now singing with them for the tour?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
I know Floor is singing for them now, but not sure on the details of the story.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MajorMatt on October 09, 2012, 08:53:09 PM
Had no idea Floor was singing for these guys now. She's one of my favorite female singers right behind Simone Simons, can't wait to hear what she will bring to the table.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2012, 10:54:25 AM
Higher than Hope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdjdiuqf3B0

She sounds really awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 10, 2012, 11:36:39 AM
Other than the distortion on the bass kick, that was f'n hawt.

Just a comment... whoever said Floor wasn't reading from lyric sheets, she clearly has some on the floor she refers to when necessary.  Completely understandable, I'm not pointing it out in a bad way, just sayin.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 12:39:38 PM
I was front row and I saw no lyrics sheet. I saw her looking down a few times but the only paper in froont of any of them, that I could see, was the set list.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 10, 2012, 12:43:21 PM
I was front row and I saw no lyrics sheet. I saw her looking down a few times but the only paper in froont of any of them, that I could see, was the set list.

Super impressive then.  Certainly seems like she's looking down a lot, ergo my assumption of some kind of lyric sheet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Yea it was mine too. That's why I looked for one. If there was one, it was very well hidden.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2012, 05:52:44 PM
Maybe its just me but I would find it extremely difficult to read a lyric sheet on the floor unless it was in very large print and then you'd need a lot of paper.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 10, 2012, 05:54:38 PM
Is a digital readout plausible?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 06:07:04 PM
Is a digital readout plausible?

Not in this case unless it had a romulan cloaking device attached.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 10, 2012, 06:08:54 PM
You never know, they're from Finland.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2012, 07:48:42 PM
Is a digital readout plausible?

Yes they could be using a teleprompter
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
Is a digital readout plausible?

Yes they could be using a teleprompter

But they're not. At least not in San Diego they weren't, and that's where Higher Than Hope is from.

I'm telling you guys, I watched them set up the stage. There was nothing on the floor but the setlist.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2012, 08:59:34 PM
I was joking. She seems to know the lyrics from the videos I watched.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
I was joking. She seems to know the lyrics from the videos I watched.

Oh sorry. I don't really get humor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 10, 2012, 09:01:17 PM
I believe you, Iyou just made me wonder how they could hide one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
I believe you, Iyou just made me wonder how they could hide one.

Romulan cloaking device.

Pretty sure we covered that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 10, 2012, 09:23:30 PM
Where's the Romulan officer protecting it?   ...I suppose she was only there for the first show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 10, 2012, 09:26:59 PM
Actually, based on the height differences, it's very possible that Empu has the lyrics written on the top of his head.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 10, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
Actually, based on the height differences, it's very possible that Empu has the lyrics written on the top of his head.

:clap:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2012, 11:50:09 PM
Actually, based on the height differences, it's very possible that Empu has the lyrics written on the top of his head.

:clap:

Mystery solved
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 11, 2012, 12:12:46 AM
Actually, based on the height differences, it's very possible that Empu has the lyrics written on the top of his head.

 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 11, 2012, 01:36:40 AM
Oh my  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 11, 2012, 03:21:02 AM
I told my sister. She had a great big crush on Emppu a few years ago. She laughed too :lol
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Post by: Adami on October 11, 2012, 08:19:12 AM
I told my sister. She had a great big crush on Emppu a few years ago. She laughed too :lol

Emppu was actually one of the most cool guys there. At one point he was right in front of me and was pointing out how hot he was so I pretending to blow cool air on him and he laughed and thanked me. So you can tell your sister that I kind of blew Emppu.

I also got his guitar pick.


She can touch me if she wants.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 11, 2012, 09:10:56 AM
Is this the first instance of a forum member admitting to blowing someone while they were performing?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 11, 2012, 09:22:52 AM
Admitting it? Probably.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 11, 2012, 09:33:28 AM
Admitting Doing it? Probably not.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 11, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
WE GET THE JOKE ROETHLISBERGER!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 11, 2012, 11:59:11 AM
Well played.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 11, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
 :lol
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 11, 2012, 01:22:51 PM
Emppu was actually one of the most cool guys there. At one point he was right in front of me and was pointing out how hot he was so I pretending to blow cool air on him and he laughed and thanked me. So you can tell your sister that I kind of blew Emppu.

I also got his guitar pick.


She can touch me if she wants.
:lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on October 13, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
Okay guys we are at the hotel and the show will begin in a few hours, sooo nervous and excited so yea :)))))
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on October 13, 2012, 01:48:33 PM
Okay guys we are at the hotel and the show will begin in a few hours, sooo nervous and excited so yea :)))))

You're seeing them tonight? Awesome! You're gonna love it, how many shows have you seen before this?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
Okay guys we are at the hotel and the show will begin in a few hours, sooo nervous and excited so yea :)))))

Where at?

Also, let us know the setlist please. I'm still curious if Nightwish play Ghost Love Score since I heard them sound checking it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 13, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
let us know how it goes cutie!!!

LMAO at the blow comments  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on October 13, 2012, 05:23:32 PM
Okay guys we are at the hotel and the show will begin in a few hours, sooo nervous and excited so yea :)))))

Where at?

Also, let us know the setlist please. I'm still curious if Nightwish play Ghost Love Score since I heard them sound checking it.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2012/house-of-blues-new-orleans-la-43dd1fa3.html

Says they played it at this show as well as Ever Dream.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2012, 07:14:36 PM
Ah well. Would have been cool to see.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2012, 08:34:11 AM
Agreed. Its interesting that they manage to play different songs with a singer who wasn't in the band a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 14, 2012, 08:53:15 AM
Ah well. Would have been cool to see.

AND NOW YOU CAN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2jQSrmZkb4
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 09:07:06 AM
Ah well. Would have been cool to see.

AND NOW YOU CAN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2jQSrmZkb4

I meant in person. Watching it on youtube is like watching your girlfriend give some other guy a blow job. I mean sure you can still jerk off to it, but then who will clean it up?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 14, 2012, 09:09:05 AM
You're a weird guy, Ace. Weird guy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 09:10:57 AM
You're a weird guy, Ace. Weird guy.

Well yea. Thanks for the link though, she's doing an awesome job.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 14, 2012, 10:25:23 AM
Damn that was hot.  I could not imagine Annette trying to pull that off.  One beef... too many samples.  Play the damn music already!  There was like a whole minute where they were just sampling the studio mix.

Is there any band that would benefit more from a full orchestra/choir complemented performance?  I'm thinking Black Symphony type deal... would clearly need to be filmed Finland, but damn that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 10:35:56 AM
Damn that was hot.  I could not imagine Annette trying to pull that off.  One beef... too many samples.  Play the damn music already!  There was like a whole minute where they were just sampling the studio mix.

Is there any band that would benefit more from a full orchestra/choir complemented performance?  I'm thinking Black Symphony type deal... would clearly need to be filmed Finland, but damn that would be awesome.

Yea Nightwish is (I think anyway) more successful than Within Temptation and likely have a higher budget so I'm confused as to why they've never tried to do a symphony show.

Also the samples are sadly necessary. I mean there's just no way Tuomas can play the orchestral parts on the keys without them sounding cheesy, tiny and lame. However he does rely on samples too much. There were plenty of times I actually heard keyboard parts being sampled while he just held choir patch chords behind them the whole time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 14, 2012, 11:16:17 AM
That minute of samples is one of my favorite parts of the song, and if they can't replicate it live, then I'd rather have the samples.


And Damn Floor is sexy as hell.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 11:17:57 AM
That minute of samples is one of my favorite parts of the song, and if they can't replicate it live, then I'd rather have the samples.


And Damn Floor is sexy as hell.

She's (oddly) sexier in street clothes walking in front of you than she is on stage.

However both of Kamelot's girls are quite sexier.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on October 14, 2012, 11:20:01 AM
Has he always relied this heavily on samples?  On the DPP tour he seemed to lean on them excessively so.  It was rather disappointing in spots.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 14, 2012, 11:24:23 AM
That minute of samples is one of my favorite parts of the song, and if they can't replicate it live, then I'd rather have the samples.

Pretty sure he pulled it off on End of an Era.

Has he always relied this heavily on samples?  On the DPP tour he seemed to lean on them excessively so.  It was rather disappointing in spots.

:iagree:

I also understand that his compositions are quite complex and intricate, and brutally difficult to play on his own 100%.  But this video of GLS seems to have him relying almost half on samples.  Lots of orchestral runs that he's not doing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
He has relied VERY heavily on samples since DPP and progressively leading into that from CC to Once.


He is relying way too much on samples, like I said even keyboard parts are being sampled. And I understand sampling an orchestra. I mean if it's a choice between hearing a real orchestra sampled or a cheesy keyboard orchestra playing only 1 or 2 of the multiple simultaneous parts, I'd rather hear the sample.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 14, 2012, 11:29:27 AM
I saw Floor at Epica fo the first time.. Until she came on to the stage Simone was a goddess.. we were all drooling over.. when Floor came... err em.. everyone else did...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 11:31:25 AM
I dunno. I'd obviously prefer a disappointing 3 way (disappointing for them obviously) but if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with Simone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 14, 2012, 11:32:17 AM
Wait until you see the two together.. standing side by side... trust me...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 11:33:03 AM
Wait until you see the two together.. standing side by side... trust me...

In person? For some reason I doubt I will ever be quite so lucky.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 14, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
I'm assuming most men just pass out from tight-sticky-pants syndrome at that point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 14, 2012, 11:36:43 AM
Wait until you see the two together.. standing side by side... trust me...

In person? For some reason I doubt I will ever be quite so lucky.

That actually happens quite often.. since Floor is some kind of a relative of Mark Jansen... well unless she is permanent with Nightwish of course.. which is not that likely...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
According to Wiki, they're not related.


And I also hope she doesn't join Nightwish. Even though she's by far the best front person for the band I've seen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 14, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
Wiki knows it!!!


I wish she doesn't either....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: VioletS16 on October 14, 2012, 01:28:20 PM
I was SO thrilled to hear Ghost Love Score live. IT WAS FANTASTIC!!!!!!! The whole concert was amazing. OMG. My mom was a bigger fangirl than I was and she doesn't--er, didn't--like Nightwish that much. Of course the venue was packed and I literally could not move two inches. Also, we'd been in the car all day and I hadn't eaten dinner and I was starving and my feet were KILLING me but IT WAS WORTH IT. And Elize Ryd was staying at the same hotel as us. We never saw her but we know she was because this guy who was checking in next to my mom was complaining because they didn't have her room ready and later we saw him at the venue helping prepare the stage.

The BIG thing was my dad took a walk for an hour and my my mom, sis and I stayed at the hotel. An hour later and he called back claiming to have met and taken a picture with Marco (of COURSE he called him Tuomas at first) and nobody believed him until he came home and showed us the picture...

(https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j471/VioletS16/Dadandmarco.jpg)

 :omg: So yes...I am very jealous of my father! My mom also revealed that she has a crush on Tommy and I don't blame her at all. Another thing is that we didn't realize how ENORMOUS Tuomas is! He's literally SO tall. And Floor must be like 6'1". Okay, I think that's all now! :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: obscure on October 15, 2012, 12:06:17 AM
Glad that you had great time hun... Your fam rocks!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2012, 06:22:39 PM
Anyone see the full trailer for Imaginareum?

It doesn't look......bad, just not very good unless the very thought of Tim Burton makes you orgasm.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 16, 2012, 07:02:22 PM
Anyone see the full trailer for Imaginareum?

It doesn't look......bad, just not very good unless the very thought of Tim Burton makes you orgasm.

I thought it was pretty badass looking.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
Anyone see the full trailer for Imaginareum?

It doesn't look......bad, just not very good unless the very thought of Tim Burton makes you orgasm.

I thought it was pretty badass looking.

It looked okay. But like I said, it's pretty much just a modern day Tim Burton film.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Gadough on October 17, 2012, 12:02:53 AM
link for the lazy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7Tn_ZgUmUTU)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on October 17, 2012, 12:30:42 AM
Looks pretty good! (and yes, I'm a big Tim Burton fan)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2012, 12:32:16 AM
Looks pretty good! (and yes, I'm a big Tim Burton fan)

If we see it together, I am NOT grabbing for any popcorn that is on your lap, got it?











I mean, unless you cut a whole in the bottom and put your winkle in there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on October 17, 2012, 12:38:32 AM
Fine, but you're buying the popcorn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2012, 12:39:56 AM
Fine, but you're buying the popcorn.

Fine, but you're buying the penis.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yeshaberto on October 17, 2012, 12:42:48 AM
first time I heard of this....trailer looked pretty cool.  better is the idea of a movie based on the band/music
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 17, 2012, 03:00:49 AM
That was awesome with headphones!  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2012, 08:07:30 AM
Looks pretty good! (and yes, I'm a big Tim Burton fan)
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Post by: Zook on October 17, 2012, 08:13:23 AM
I really can't stand Tim Burton anymore, but the movie kind of looks interesting. Really the only thing that screamed Tim Burton was the flying thing. I think it would look way different if Burton was involved and would probably suck all kinds of ass.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 17, 2012, 11:07:18 AM
Looks awesome! They better show this in the states. I can't stand to wait for a Blu-ray release.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 17, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
Love the story and it looked like how I'd imagine it'd be, based on the artwork and band photos.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 18, 2012, 07:04:04 AM
A whole convert, sorry if posted before, didn't see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H0lz2KzzAw
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 18, 2012, 07:10:44 AM
For the converts?  ;)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 18, 2012, 07:23:01 AM
I have one rule and I never seem to be able to follow it - don't do anything before your coffee mug is half empty xD
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 18, 2012, 08:55:29 AM
Tarja Turunen has now announced in a Finnish newspaper that she is willing to return to the band. (Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml (https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml) (warning: in Finnish)) Her only demand is that all the band members and the management of the band need to be replaced. So it's not likely to happen as long as Tuomas Holopainen remains in control of the band.

More seriously, I'm really anxiously waiting for Nightwish to play in my city. Still half a year before it happens, though. Floor Jansen just sounds like a perfect match to the band so I hope this will be a permanent solution.

Yeah, those are some reasonable demands :/

Tarja and her hubby/manager have some clout. They thought Tarja could be better without Nightwish, and boy were they wrong.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 18, 2012, 10:32:27 AM
Tarja Turunen has now announced in a Finnish newspaper that she is willing to return to the band. (Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml (https://www.iltalehti.fi/popstars/2012100316156051_ps.shtml) (warning: in Finnish)) Her only demand is that all the band members and the management of the band need to be replaced. So it's not likely to happen as long as Tuomas Holopainen remains in control of the band.

More seriously, I'm really anxiously waiting for Nightwish to play in my city. Still half a year before it happens, though. Floor Jansen just sounds like a perfect match to the band so I hope this will be a permanent solution.

Yeah, those are some reasonable demands :/

Tarja and her hubby/manager have some clout. They thought Tarja could be better without Nightwish, and boy were they wrong.

Thats a more  prettier way of saying Im not going to return.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yeshaberto on October 18, 2012, 10:38:25 AM
Looks awesome! They better show this in the states. I can't stand to wait for a Blu-ray release.

it is all over the place here in SoCal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 18, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
A whole convert, sorry if posted before, didn't see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H0lz2KzzAw

Holy crap, Floor is amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 18, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
Looks awesome! They better show this in the states. I can't stand to wait for a Blu-ray release.

it is all over the place here in SoCal

You mean they are showing it there in theaters? Where did you find this out (or are there ads running)?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 19, 2012, 12:27:39 AM
Can anyone say tour-saver? I think this has done the world of good for the band's reputation. Only question is: what happens next? Any replacement other then Floor almost feels like a letdown after this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2012, 12:34:26 AM
Can anyone say tour-saver? I think this has done the world of good for the band's reputation. Only question is: what happens next? Any replacement other then Floor almost feels like a letdown after this.

I hadn't thought of that. While I don't want Floor to join full time.........they're going to have a hell of a time getting people excited about anyone else.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 19, 2012, 12:37:39 AM
Well, I don't think it's a realistic option, being Floor is busy doing Revamp and all....but it'd be a HELL of a career-move.....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2012, 12:44:19 AM
Well, I don't think it's a realistic option, being Floor is busy doing Revamp and all....but it'd be a HELL of a career-move.....

Yea, but she's too big a name, it'd end up essentially being "Nightwish + Floor" rather than just Nightwish. They need a largely unknown singer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 19, 2012, 05:28:45 AM
Well, I don't think it's a realistic option, being Floor is busy doing Revamp and all....but it'd be a HELL of a career-move.....

Yea, but she's too big a name, it'd end up essentially being "Nightwish + Floor" rather than just Nightwish. They need a largely unknown singer.

I can see it now... from the Luca Turilli school of band naming - Floor Jansen's Nightwish. 

Tuomas would give it  :tup I'm sure.   ::)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 24, 2012, 11:44:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjqdoP_d9A&feature=related

Last Ride of the Day, from the last show of the US tour... about half way through the three vocalists from Kamelot came out to sing the rest of the song with Floor.  Really awesome. 

Kind of amazing to think that these two bands have replacement singers (although Tommy has been named permanent with Kamelot) and they are kicking major ass.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 11, 2012, 11:36:02 AM
Concert in Helsinki....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396367_10151160403999261_1519497616_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/643907_10151160404274261_858988552_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2012, 11:51:03 AM
It must be so cool to do these really small/intimate clubs on one continent, and then do full arena's on another.  Best of both worlds.  YT clips are good audio... video not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Nmd5y78as
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2012, 12:01:07 PM
Awesome pics.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 20, 2012, 08:22:49 AM
Nightwish - "I Want My Tears Back" live from the Hartwall Arena 10.11.2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG-ahEP3EF0

Nice recording.  DVD perhaps in the future!?!?!?!  I'd blow a load if that was the case.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 08:26:51 AM
Nightwish - "I Want My Tears Back" live from the Hartwall Arena 10.11.2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG-ahEP3EF0

Nice recording.  DVD perhaps in the future!?!?!?!  I'd blow a load if that was the case.

Very cool video indeed. Really hoping for, you know.....the other songs. I doubt they'll release a DVD of it. But putting the rest of the show online would be amazing. Especially considering that I Want My Tears Back might be one of the least interesting songs on the tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2012, 08:48:09 AM
If she truly is just an "interrim singer," it would be weird to release a DVD.  But if she is actually stepping in as a member, it would be really good timing to release a DVD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 08:51:23 AM
If she truly is just an "interrim singer," it would be weird to release a DVD.  But if she is actually stepping in as a member, it would be really good timing to release a DVD.


Nooo not yet. A Nightwish DVD needs to be filmed in like Finland with a super long set list. And now that Floor is touring with them, they need to realize that they can play songs Anette couldn't sing. They need to bring back Phantom, and other older songs and not have 100% of the set list be Marco era stuff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2012, 08:57:01 AM
If she truly is just an "interrim singer," it would be weird to release a DVD.  But if she is actually stepping in as a member, it would be really good timing to release a DVD.


Nooo not yet. A Nightwish DVD needs to be filmed in like Finland with a super long set list. And now that Floor is touring with them, they need to realize that they can play songs Anette couldn't sing. They need to bring back Phantom, and other older songs and not have 100% of the set list be Marco era stuff.

It's hard to disagree with that.  However, while your argument is sound, the flipside of that is that we really don't need End Of An Era pt. 2.  I'm perfectly fine with a DVD being dominated by the new material and not being shot in Finland because we already have one with what you are proposing (not to mention the Lowlands 2007 bootleg, which is outstanding). 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 08:58:59 AM
I only say Finland so they can have the biggest stage show they can, it can be elsewhere, but obviously not like America or something.

And I want as much new material as they want, but I don't want old material totally ignored. And I don't think End of an Era had much old material, did it? I can't remember. I think only what...like 2-3 songs or something? I just think they should take advantage of Floor if they are going to film one with her and throw some Oceanborn and so forth material in there, which for the most part has been totally ignored for the past like 10 years.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2012, 09:02:18 AM
Well, yeah, they did gloss over Oceanborn on EOAE.  But I think that's probably because they have other albums that actually aren't boring.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 09:02:57 AM
Well, yeah, they did gloss over Oceanborn on EOAE.  But I think that's probably because they have other albums that actually aren't boring.

.....them there's fightin words Bosky.


Shall we say 10 paces?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2012, 09:13:23 AM
I agree with a DVD with newer songs. They have another DVD with more ocean born songs on it, from wishes to eternity.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 09:16:56 AM
I agree with a DVD with newer songs. They have another DVD with more ocean born songs on it, from wishes to eternity.

Meh, I just don't agree with the sentiment that DVD's should only focus on new songs because old DVDs have old songs. Perhaps we'd like to hear those songs with the new line up? Perhaps we'd like to hear them again with a new energy? I mean I have a feeling if DT released DVD's with only new songs, people would be pissy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 20, 2012, 09:18:46 AM
A Nightwish DVD needs to be filmed in like Finland

This YT clip was filmed in Helsinki, so one of your requirements is met.  I think a more diverse setlist would indeed be nice, but I'll gladly take something over nothing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2012, 09:20:48 AM
Well, yeah, they did gloss over Oceanborn on EOAE.  But I think that's probably because they have other albums that actually aren't boring.

.....them there's fightin words Bosky.

Shall we say 10 paces?

:huckleberry:

But seriously, I don't ever expect to see a lot of songs from Oceanborn in a given set.  One or two tops (unless they are doing some sort of anniversary show or something like that where they decide to feature most or the album for a one-off thing).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 09:23:44 AM
I'll take 2 songs as long as they're not just ballads.

I mean, just throwing a song like Stargazers or Passion and the Opera on the DVD would be amazing. It's not like we haven't heard Over the Hills and Far Away on way too many DVD's, but they keep playing it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2012, 09:27:11 AM
Maybe they think they're too good for Power Metal now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 20, 2012, 10:19:08 AM
Seeing how they're keeping her until sept. 2013, I think they're just warming their fans up for her before they announce their decision. But anyone who knows anything about symphonic metal (repeating myself here) knows Floor, so I think that is not necessary.

On the other hand, seeing how they've completely misfired choosing their previous singer, even though it took them awhile (it was a sort of a "we totally trust her she'll be able to nail old songs based on a few rehearsals, and she has a kid already and might want more and she's never toured but she'll totally be able to handle world tour after world tour"-deal), maybe it would be good for them to first do a full tour with Floor to see if they want to stick with her for the rest of their career. But if they decide they don't want her... I seriously have no idea who wouldn't be underwhelming after having Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
A very good point Mora. While I would prefer Floor do her own stuff, I can't imagine a more skilled vocalist in the field. I think at best they can find some unknown who is as good, but better? Can't see it.

Also agreed on them picking Olzen. They even said they didn't want her at first but she kept fighting for it. I think next time they'll just trust their first judgments.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on November 20, 2012, 10:48:01 AM
Seeing how they're keeping her until sept. 2013, I think they're just warming their fans up for her before they announce their decision. But anyone who knows anything about symphonic metal (repeating myself here) knows Floor, so I think that is not necessary.
They already know Floor has been accepted well, but I don't think they want to rush things. As Tuomas said, nothing is set in stone yet, but if Floor is willing to join permanently, I can't see them going through yet another audition process. Floor already knows the songs and her voice fits (most of) them, she also has experience from touring, something Anette didn't have before joining NW - I don't think they want to take a risk with another inexperienced vocalist. It's basically a question of whether Floor is ready to dedicate herself fully to NW, but if Marco has enough time to release a new Tarot album every now and then, she will probably have enough time for Revamp as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 20, 2012, 11:53:39 AM
And if Damian Wilson can do Threshold/Maiden uNited/Headspace, I'm sure if everything is as good as it seems in Nightwish-land, Floor fronting 2 bands wouldn't be completely unmanageable for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
And if Damian Wilson can do Threshold/Maiden uNited/Headspace, I'm sure if everything is as good as it seems in Nightwish-land, Floor fronting 2 bands wouldn't be completely unmanageable for everyone involved.

It honestly depends how busy a band is though. I mean look at Symphony X. Russell can do whatever else he wants cause Symph barely does anything. Nightwish on the other hand tour pretty regularly and then record. They have a decent amount of time off, but it might not be enough for Floor to do a full other band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 20, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
Yeah. When Nightwish has breaks, they last for a while, but that's only once every 3-4 years or so.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 20, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
I mean look at Symphony X. Russell can do whatever else he wants cause Symph barely does anything.
Yea that makes me a  :sadpanda:!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
I mean look at Symphony X. Russell can do whatever else he wants cause Symph barely does anything.
Yea that makes me a  :sadpanda:!

Well I can't blame them. I guess it takes them a long time now adays to write the same exact metal song over and over again.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 20, 2012, 02:39:51 PM
I mean look at Symphony X. Russell can do whatever else he wants cause Symph barely does anything.
Yea that makes me a  :sadpanda:!

Well I can't blame them. I guess it takes them a long time now adays to write the same exact metal song over and over again.
Ahh don't you think that's a bit harsh! The last album was cool imo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 20, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
I mean look at Symphony X. Russell can do whatever else he wants cause Symph barely does anything.
Yea that makes me a  :sadpanda:!

Well I can't blame them. I guess it takes them a long time now adays to write the same exact metal song over and over again.

Ten paces bitch!

:curtains:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
Hey I like Symph too, but their riffs/solos are getting VERY identical.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
I agree with a DVD with newer songs. They have another DVD with more ocean born songs on it, from wishes to eternity.

Meh, I just don't agree with the sentiment that DVD's should only focus on new songs because old DVDs have old songs. Perhaps we'd like to hear those songs with the new line up? Perhaps we'd like to hear them again with a new energy? I mean I have a feeling if DT released DVD's with only new songs, people would be pissy.

Sort of like how iron maiden releases the same songs on every DVD? Seriously, who wouldn't want old songs with the new line up assuming they can perform them well, but they've released two albums since their last DVD so I think most people as well as the band would want the new DVD to focus more on those songs. One of the things I didn't like when I saw them was that they didn't play a single song from before Once (besides over the hill). I wouldn't like a DVD like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on November 21, 2012, 03:37:47 AM
I mean, just throwing a song like Stargazers or Passion and the Opera on the DVD would be amazing. It's not like we haven't heard Over the Hills and Far Away on way too many DVD's, but they keep playing it.

It's very unlikely that they will play Passion ever again, since Tarja has played it with her solo band.

But yeah, Oceanborn is awesome. Gethsemane would be too good wor words.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
I mean, just throwing a song like Stargazers or Passion and the Opera on the DVD would be amazing. It's not like we haven't heard Over the Hills and Far Away on way too many DVD's, but they keep playing it.

It's very unlikely that they will play Passion ever again, since Tarja has played it with her solo band.

But yeah, Oceanborn is awesome. Gethsemane would be too good wor words.

Why? Tarja also plays Nemo regularly with her solo band, hasn't stopped the band. I doubt they care what she plays.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on November 29, 2012, 08:26:38 AM
OK, my wife wants a Nightwish album to take on a car trip with some co-workers.  She loves their softer songs with Tarja but knows they're metal.  One person in the car is into metal, but which album is probably the most acceptable for general audience?  I was thinking maybe Century Child.  Well, actually I think she's doomed if she puts them on, but why discourage her. :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2012, 08:41:14 AM
Why not just make a mix CD of their ballads?



If you do, make sure to randomly throw Master, Passion, Greed on there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on November 29, 2012, 08:53:05 AM
No Annette.

Mix tape is nice but no real time to do it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2012, 08:53:53 AM
No Annette.

Mix tape is nice but no real time to do it.

It takes 5 minutes? Make a play list in Itunes, hit burn to to disk......and then burn it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on November 29, 2012, 08:56:24 AM
All of my music is on cd.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2012, 09:01:00 AM
All of my music is on cd.

Hm. Then do it the old fashioned way. Take each CD from which you'd like a song, cut a piece of it off and then tape all of the pieces together.





Or yea, Century Child would probably work just fine, after Angels I think it has the most ballads.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on November 29, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
In the other news, Tarja is a mother now (https://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-1288520122612.html) (article in Finnish)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 29, 2012, 09:45:25 AM
I agree with Century Child, it has Phantom of the Opera. That seems like it could be acceptable.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 29, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
Tarja's baby > Annette's baby
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2012, 01:12:15 PM
Tarja's baby > Annette's baby

At least Tarja's baby can cry on key.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 29, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
In the other news, Tarja is a mother now (https://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-1288520122612.html) (article in Finnish)
Awww, that's nice :) congrats to her.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on November 30, 2012, 01:25:14 AM
Great, that voice might move to the next generation. Too bad she hasn't revealed it's gender.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 30, 2012, 02:02:49 AM
And if Damian Wilson can do Threshold/Maiden uNited/Headspace, I'm sure if everything is as good as it seems in Nightwish-land, Floor fronting 2 bands wouldn't be completely unmanageable for everyone involved.

Marco does Tarot, Emppu Brother Firetribe and TH did For My Pain, so I am sure if she is the right one for NW, they can work around it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 30, 2012, 03:55:13 AM
Except For My Pain was a one-off studio project and Brother Firetribe has been inactive for several years.

Holy fuck so much Finnish metal/rock in my DNA :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 30, 2012, 08:55:16 AM
Except For My Pain was a one-off studio project and Brother Firetribe has been inactive for several years.

Holy fuck so much Finnish metal/rock in my DNA :D

Yes all true, but you get my point?
There is time for other stuff.

Oh yes Finland for me is hands down is the best country for music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
In an interview with Tuomas and Floor, they said after the summer festivals there will be a break for Nightwish so of course there is time for other projects.  He also mentioned going back to the studio in 2013. And there will be no more talk of the split with Annette (he made that pretty clear a few times).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubbc7ja-bjQ&feature=g-all
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
I'm glad Tuomas has figured out the proper way to handle a split. The Tarja thing was handled horribly on his part, good thing he's doing this one properly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 30, 2012, 01:15:19 PM
I'm glad Tuomas has figured out the proper way to handle a split. The Tarja thing was handled horribly on his part, good thing he's doing this one properly.
Well, on the other hand, it would have been better if they just said "we have arranged this to happen due to whatever differences/misunderstandings/incompatibilities". This way, when you hear about it from all other sources but the band that Floor was already arranged to join the band at some point (especially when she is put in front to talk about it) and when they keep everything else behind the curtain... it makes you wonder what the hell was that bad that they need to hide it and make such a rapid succession.

And they kind of... well, I won't say they owe their fans that information, but I imagine that people who liked Anette would like to know why was their beloved singer kicked out of the band so suddenly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2012, 01:16:09 PM
Alright.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
I'm glad Tuomas has figured out the proper way to handle a split. The Tarja thing was handled horribly on his part, good thing he's doing this one properly.
Well, on the other hand, it would have been better if they just said "we have arranged this to happen due to whatever differences/misunderstandings/incompatibilities". This way, when you hear about it from all other sources but the band that Floor was already arranged to join the band at some point (especially when she is put in front to talk about it) and when they keep everything else behind the curtain... it makes you wonder what the hell was that bad that they need to hide it and make such a rapid succession.

And they kind of... well, I won't say they owe their fans that information, but I imagine that people who liked Anette would like to know why was their beloved singer kicked out of the band so suddenly.

Is this true, that Floor was arranged to join? I mean it did seem convienent that she was able to go immediately.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 01, 2012, 01:34:32 AM
Is this true, that Floor was arranged to join? I mean it did seem convienent that she was able to go immediately.
She was supposed to join at some point later than the one she joined. I'm not sure which, but I'm thinking after the recent Helsinki show. I'd have to google it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 01, 2012, 01:40:24 AM
We don't really know the details though. It's possible that Anette was going to have to take some time off and they arranged for Floor to be a fill in, but when she quit/got fired, they got Floor earlier than expected.

It's honestly the bands business, as much as we love the band, it's not really our right to know every thing that happens behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 01, 2012, 02:12:54 AM
It kind of makes you think, considering what PR nightmare (I hate these words but...) they unleashed upon the world last time, what could be more awful than that so they feel compelled to keep it a secret? They could have said two words and ended the speculation, as bands often do. Oh well, I guess we'll never find out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 01, 2012, 02:28:44 AM
It probably wasn't a huge deal. But a pr release that just says "we fired Olzen for being a twat" probably wouldn't have looked too good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 01, 2012, 07:02:24 AM
It kind of makes you think, considering what PR nightmare (I hate these words but...) they unleashed upon the world last time, what could be more awful than that so they feel compelled to keep it a secret? They could have said two words and ended the speculation, as bands often do. Oh well, I guess we'll never find out.

(https://www.thecomputercoach.net/assets/images/Trump_-_You_re_Fired.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ħ on December 01, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
I've been listening to Once more recently. For some reason, it's the only Nightwish album I can get into. What is the general consensus of the Nightwish fanbase on Once?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 01, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
It's about half good for me. Maybe I'll try giving it a go some time soon. Some other songs might click more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 01, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Some good songs. Some meh songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 01, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
Second best for me.  Century Child is the best them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2012, 10:34:06 PM
Once is the best
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 01, 2012, 10:35:57 PM
Once had two major issues for me.

One, the ending of the native american song goes on WAY too long.

Two, Dead Gardens and the other song before or after it sound WAY too similar.


WAY.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 7thHanyou on December 01, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
Once is decent, and has its obvious classics, but it also has the atrocious "Wish I Had an Angel."  I think the album is okay, and Planet Hell and Ghost Love Score are frequently played, but otherwise, I don't get Once.

I don't really see how it stands up to Oceanborn, Wishmaster, or Century Child, which are their three best and most consistent albums IMO.  I think the problems I had with their two more recent albums started to rear their head in Once.

I wish I could appreciate it a little more, since I frequently hear the opinion that it's their best, but it just strikes me as boring when compared to those three prior albums.  I hope they drop the Danny Elfman stuff for the next albums, because it's been a serious obstacle to my enjoyment of their music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on December 02, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
I can't get into Dark Chest of Wonders. There are also a couple of "alright, but nothing special"-songs. Thus Once is the weakest Nightwish album IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2012, 12:19:53 PM
it also has the atrocious "Wish I Had an Angel."

I dare you to go to any Nightwish concert and say that to any female fan.


RIP.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 02, 2012, 02:07:16 PM
I enjoy all of Once. Especially Wish I Had An Angel. Ghost Love Score is great and Creek Mary's Blood is great. The finnish song is fucking amazing, up their with Sleeping Sun.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pols Voice on December 02, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
I like the whole album except for Wish I Had an Angel.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2012, 02:16:35 PM
The only song off of Once I couldn't get into was Higher than Hope.

However when I saw Nightwish live (with Floor), they sang the song with the family of the guy the song is about on the side of the stage, and the performance was SO emotional, that I am actually a big fan of the song now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ħ on December 02, 2012, 03:17:54 PM
One, the ending of the native american song goes on WAY too long.
HAY YA HOO HAY YA HOO HAY YA HOO HAY YA HOO HAY YA HOO HAY YA HOO HAY YA HOO HAY YA
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2012, 03:18:38 PM
No that part is cool. I meant the speech.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2012, 03:20:04 PM
I wasnt a huge fan of I Wish I Had an Angel until I saw it live, its a great live song.  I appreciate it much more now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 02, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
I wasnt a huge fan of I Wish I Had an Angel until I saw it live, its a great live song.  I appreciate it much more now.

The same for me (though it was a live YouTube video), but I still think it's pretty mediocre.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 03, 2012, 10:03:04 PM
No that part is cool. I meant the speech.

Not their only song that's guilty of this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 03, 2012, 10:24:24 PM
No that part is cool. I meant the speech.

Not their only song that's guilty of this.

True, but at least with the Imaginareum song I can understand what they're saying, and the music is more interesting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 07, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
I'd like to introduce everybody to the subject of Tuomas's next project (not Nightwish).

(https://images.forbes.com/media/lists/fictional/2011/scrooge-mcduck_197x282.jpg)


https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=183317


I have a feeling I won't be too involved with this next thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 07, 2012, 07:16:05 PM
I uh :|
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 07, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
I'd like to introduce everybody to the subject of Tuomas's next project (not Nightwish).

(https://images.forbes.com/media/lists/fictional/2011/scrooge-mcduck_197x282.jpg)


https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=183317


I have a feeling I won't be too involved with this next thing.

Just quoting this so the brilliance of it (not my post, the announcement) will not be lost on the last page.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2012, 08:19:51 AM
Well then... that's interesting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on December 08, 2012, 08:49:57 AM
He's been talking about that "Scrooge" project for a few years already, I think.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pols Voice on December 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
Whoa, that sounds interesting and bizarrely awesome! I'm a big fan of Scrooge and those old comics were great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on December 10, 2012, 04:21:35 AM
Sounds cool. I adore Don Rosa's and Carl Barks's work, let's see what he can do.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mindflux on December 11, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
Saw them not too long ago in Austin with Kamelot.   Very good show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 23, 2012, 08:16:14 AM
Just strolled upon this entire concert on youtube from Argentina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KCDK2RfzRY

As usual with the South American crowds, they sing along to everything.  Such a different vibe from the show I went to in New York City.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 30, 2012, 12:54:11 AM
Looking forward to seeing them in Sydney on Jan 11th.
Hopefully catching up with Tuomas and Ewo before or after the show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2012, 01:03:12 AM
I just re-watched segments of that Argentina concert. Noticed that even when they play Wishmaster (Thank god they don't completely ignore that album anymore) Floor doesn't do the opera. I wonder why that is? She's obviously more than capable of it.


Also, I really wish Floor would sing the lead vocals over the final chorus of Amaranth. It's like the best part of the song, even Annette butchered it every time live. I was so excited to hear it done properly, but instead she just repeats the chorus without the lead.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 30, 2012, 03:11:37 AM
I just re-watched segments of that Argentina concert. Noticed that even when they play Wishmaster (Thank god they don't completely ignore that album anymore) Floor doesn't do the opera. I wonder why that is? She's obviously more than capable of it.
There was some interview where someone mentioned (sorry for the vagueness!) that Tuomas asked her to pull it off in another style, since he's not really into opera singing anymore.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on December 30, 2012, 04:02:25 AM
I also remember reading that Tuomas said he thinks no-one could pull off the classical vocals the way Tarja did. However, I haven't listened to Floor's other projects, but some people have said she has started singing in a more rock-oriented style lately, so maybe she feels more comfortable singing that way. I think it's probable that even if Floor ends up joining NW, there'll be very little, if any, classical vocals on the future albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2012, 01:56:57 PM
I just re-watched segments of that Argentina concert. Noticed that even when they play Wishmaster (Thank god they don't completely ignore that album anymore) Floor doesn't do the opera. I wonder why that is? She's obviously more than capable of it.
There was some interview where someone mentioned (sorry for the vagueness!) that Tuomas asked her to pull it off in another style, since he's not really into opera singing anymore.

Well poop.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2012, 02:04:25 PM
I also remember reading that Tuomas said he thinks no-one could pull off the classical vocals the way Tarja did. However, I haven't listened to Floor's other projects, but some people have said she has started singing in a more rock-oriented style lately, so maybe she feels more comfortable singing that way. I think it's probable that even if Floor ends up joining NW, there'll be very little, if any, classical vocals on the future albums.

See I prefer Floors rock voice as well, but I'm all about dynamics. If she CAN do opera as well as she clearly can, then it would be nice to use that when the time is right, once again dynamics.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 30, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
I also remember reading that Tuomas said he thinks no-one could pull off the classical vocals the way Tarja did. However, I haven't listened to Floor's other projects, but some people have said she has started singing in a more rock-oriented style lately, so maybe she feels more comfortable singing that way. I think it's probable that even if Floor ends up joining NW, there'll be very little, if any, classical vocals on the future albums.

See I prefer Floors rock voice as well, but I'm all about dynamics. If she CAN do opera as well as she clearly can, then it would be nice to use that when the time is right, once again dynamics.

Yup, which is a reason I didnt really like Tarjas vocals live, the operatic style overpowered some songs. Also, why I liked Annette live, i really enjoyed her improvs.

Floor is a great choice for Nightwish their songs got more heavy and Rockin. If she can utilize what she did with After Forever and Ayreon.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on January 12, 2013, 01:30:55 AM
This is old, but I bet none of you have seen it: A parody version of Amaranth in Finnish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBQlMJ2Q1E)

There is a rough English translation of the lyrics in the description. The video is taken from a TV show called Radio Millennium - they do lots of parodies of many Finnish hit songs, and most of them are actually funnier than this one.
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Post by: adace on January 23, 2013, 12:17:24 PM
Floor did a spectacular job on this. Seriously impressed.  :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw)
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 23, 2013, 12:38:20 PM
Floor did a spectacular job on this. Seriously impressed.  :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw)

:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Floor proved to me what I knew she could do, Blend Tarja with Anette with her own flare. I almost cried at the end. I really hope she becomes permanent.
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Post by: faemir on January 23, 2013, 01:37:28 PM
Finally got a hold of Once's surround sound mix. Tarja has a dedicated speaker? yes plz.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 23, 2013, 02:04:20 PM
Floor did a spectacular job on this. Seriously impressed.  :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw)
Nice to have a pro-shot version of this. The way she did it in London, man. This is slightly better than London though.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 23, 2013, 03:01:51 PM
Floor did a spectacular job on this. Seriously impressed.  :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw)

WOW!  Hands down, the best version of the song I have ever heard.  Are they planning on releasing a live DVD?  The audio and video on that was outstanding quality.
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Post by: abydos on January 23, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
09:26-09:40... what's even more impressive to me is that this isn't even close to reaching her limits. Dat voice!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on January 23, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Saw Nightwish play in Sydney almost 2 weeks ago.
We were right behind the mixing desk, it was my girlfriends for ever concert too.
From our position Floors voice was far too low in the mix, with the rest of the sound pretty good.
The set list was pretty good, nothing pre 'Once', except 'Ever Dream' and 'Over The Hills and Far Away'.
For me too much of the most recent album, although it did come alive more than the actual 'Imaginarium' CD sounds.
Having seen NW with all 3 singers, I hate to say it, but I do prefer Tarja!

It ended up being a great evening, support act Sabaton were great, I have never seen such a strong reaction from a crowd to any band that is not a headliner.
Towards the end of the night I did bump into NW manager Ewo, we had a nice chat, although I haven't seen him since 2008, it was amazing how good his memory is.
We were about to leave when Ewo insisted we go backstage and see Toumas. After eventually getting past security, I saw Marco eating pizza, an exhausted Floor and TH drenched in sweat.

I am still not sure if Floor is the answer to NW vocalist merry go round, but she did nail 'Ghost Love Score'.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 23, 2013, 04:25:51 PM
Fuck me.....that was good and she's headbangin too!  :metal
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Post by: Orthogonal on January 23, 2013, 09:21:16 PM
Haven't followed Nightwish terribly closely in the last few years, but damn, Floor is amazing in that video. Never was too fond of Anette, but I could get excited about them again with Floor behind the mic.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on January 23, 2013, 09:30:38 PM
Damn, that was a great video.  I might have to check out some of Floor's other work sometime.  She's very, very good there.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 23, 2013, 09:41:10 PM
Yeah, we can officially rename that to Ghost Love Floor.   :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Can't believe I'm saying that, but I'll take that version over End of an Era.  Absolutely love how she turned off the opera-range vocals in the second half of the song. 

Un-fucking-real.  Good god they need to release a full DVD!!!
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Post by: MetalMike06 on January 24, 2013, 12:18:41 AM
Saw Nightwish play in Sydney almost 2 weeks ago.
We were right behind the mixing desk, it was my girlfriends for ever concert too.
From our position Floors voice was far too low in the mix, with the rest of the sound pretty good.
The set list was pretty good, nothing pre 'Once', except 'Ever Dream' and 'Over The Hills and Far Away'.
For me too much of the most recent album, although it did come alive more than the actual 'Imaginarium' CD sounds.
Having seen NW with all 3 singers, I hate to say it, but I do prefer Tarja!

It ended up being a great evening, support act Sabaton were great, I have never seen such a strong reaction from a crowd to any band that is not a headliner.
Towards the end of the night I did bump into NW manager Ewo, we had a nice chat, although I haven't seen him since 2008, it was amazing how good his memory is.
We were about to leave when Ewo insisted we go backstage and see Toumas. After eventually getting past security, I saw Marco eating pizza, an exhausted Floor and TH drenched in sweat.

I am still not sure if Floor is the answer to NW vocalist merry go round, but she did nail 'Ghost Love Score'.

Holy fuck, SABATON opened the show? I would kill to see that show. I saw them in my hometown last April (my buddies' band opened for them) and they simply put on the BEST live show, IMO. That and NW in the same night...awesome.

Awesome video btw. However mixed peoples' feelings may be about it, I really hope they keep Floor permanently.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2013, 05:40:19 AM
Saw Nightwish play in Sydney almost 2 weeks ago.
We were right behind the mixing desk, it was my girlfriends for ever concert too.
From our position Floors voice was far too low in the mix, with the rest of the sound pretty good.
The set list was pretty good, nothing pre 'Once', except 'Ever Dream' and 'Over The Hills and Far Away'.
For me too much of the most recent album, although it did come alive more than the actual 'Imaginarium' CD sounds.
Having seen NW with all 3 singers, I hate to say it, but I do prefer Tarja!

It ended up being a great evening, support act Sabaton were great, I have never seen such a strong reaction from a crowd to any band that is not a headliner.
Towards the end of the night I did bump into NW manager Ewo, we had a nice chat, although I haven't seen him since 2008, it was amazing how good his memory is.
We were about to leave when Ewo insisted we go backstage and see Toumas. After eventually getting past security, I saw Marco eating pizza, an exhausted Floor and TH drenched in sweat.

I am still not sure if Floor is the answer to NW vocalist merry go round, but she did nail 'Ghost Love Score'.

Holy fuck, SABATON opened the show? I would kill to see that show. I saw them in my hometown last April (my buddies' band opened for them) and they simply put on the BEST live show, IMO. That and NW in the same night...awesome.

Awesome video btw. However mixed peoples' feelings may be about it, I really hope they keep Floor permanently.
Sabaton will open for Maiden in Malmö, Sweden! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/zydar.gif)
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Post by: gazinwales on January 26, 2013, 11:33:04 PM
Yes Sabaton opened for Nightwish, apparently at the personnel request of NW.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on January 28, 2013, 06:50:38 AM
Good god they need to release a full DVD!!!

This. Totally! I've seen a couple of EXCELLENT clips from the tours so far....I think they have more than enough material to release one.

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Post by: yorost on January 28, 2013, 10:06:44 AM
Floor did a spectacular job on this. Seriously impressed.  :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw)
Damn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 07:55:22 AM
Finally - finally - I bought Imaginaerum yesterday.

Still not listened to it yet. Sorting out the right speaker on my CD player, first. How excited should I be, on a scale from one to thirty-four?
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Post by: The King in Crimson on February 02, 2013, 08:46:11 AM
About 29.85 and 1/3
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Post by: Orthogonal on February 02, 2013, 09:26:37 AM
Maybe I just haven't given it enough spins yet, but Imaginareum was just kind of par for the course for me. Middle tier album by Nightwish scales. Not too bad, not too great.
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Post by: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
Today I had my first serious (probably first at all) listen to this band, prompted by Milena's sister.

This is what I listened to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw

While they are not really my cup of tea, I can tell you that this song looks and sounds extremely cool!  :O
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 09:41:51 AM
Today I had my first serious (probably first at all) listen to this band, prompted by Milena's sister.

This is what I listened to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw

While they are not really my cup of tea, I can tell you that this song looks and sounds extremely cool!  :O
It's the best thing they ever did, definitely.

Luckily for you, she won't be able to spam you with as much music I spam you with, so we're all set :rollin
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Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
About 29.85 and 1/3
Maybe I just haven't given it enough spins yet, but Imaginareum was just kind of par for the course for me. Middle tier album by Nightwish scales. Not too bad, not too great.
29.85 and a third (decimals AND fractions?! you MAVERICK!!) will do just nicely - and the proviso means I won't be too disappointed if it's more of a 28.1. I've just sorted out that CD player,  so... brace for impact!

It's the best thing they ever did, definitely.
Knew exactly what it'd be when I read this. I was right. Ghost Love Score's ace. Kicks seven shades of shit out of The Poet and the Pendulum. Not that every good song has to be good at another's expense, cos I do really like TPatP, but Once was something else. Poet feels like a Ghost Love Score that didn't quiiiite work. In fact, the album feels like a Once that didn't quite work. Which is fine, there'd been turmoil, and it means I've got no idea what Imaginaerum's gonna sound like. Ooh, I love this bit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 10:00:32 AM
Luckily for you, she won't be able to spam you with as much music I spam you with, so we're all set :rollin

Hey, I owe you a good 70% of where I am right now musically. There's no absolute contest! :D






Maybe even 80 :blobl:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
Just hit Slow, Love, Slow.

Ooh.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:28:28 AM
Just hit Slow, Love, Slow.

Ooh.
After the album, do please youtube Floor Jansen singing that song. I think I can't determine whether I'd like being her majestic self or being her girlfriend better.
Not to bring Anette down, she sounds excellent on that song as well - it was written for her voice, after all, and she nails it.

Hey, I owe you a good 70% of where I am right now musically. There's no absolute contest! :D






Maybe even 80 :blobl:
Heeey, you asked for it :rollin
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Post by: The King in Crimson on February 02, 2013, 10:32:08 AM
About 29.85 and 1/3
Maybe I just haven't given it enough spins yet, but Imaginareum was just kind of par for the course for me. Middle tier album by Nightwish scales. Not too bad, not too great.
29.85 and a third (decimals AND fractions?! you MAVERICK!!) will do just nicely - and the proviso means I won't be too disappointed if it's more of a 28.1. I've just sorted out that CD player,  so... brace for impact!
:tup
If it's any consolation, I sometimes partake of a particularly juicy double negative now and again. Gotta flaunt my maverick-ness where I can.

Just hit Slow, Love, Slow.

Ooh.
Yep, that's a good one right there.
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Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Just hit Slow, Love, Slow.

Ooh.
After the album, do please youtube Floor Jansen singing that song. I think I can't determine whether I'd like being her majestic self or being her girlfriend better.
Not to bring Anette down, she sounds excellent on that song as well - it was written for her voice, after all, and she nails it.
I absolutely will.

Onto I Want My Tears Back, now - and the vocals are a little grating. Not sure if it's the lyrics, the melody, or the tone. Probably the melody! Annette's typically more my kind of singer than Tarja was, and she's absolutely cracking - shame she left! - but there are moments on this album, I'm finding, where I think the singing's bringing the music down, which I never remember feeling on a Nightwish album. Loving this Irish jig type thing, though. There's a lot of really interesting stuff going on. Feels a lot more confident, more interesting, and more exciting than Dark Passion Play. Which is weird, considering DPP was the one that followed a significant line-up change. Should've had excitement built in.

Scaretale, now. Again - ooh! No italics, that's only SLS so far, but still - ooh.

EDIT: Ooh!
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:38:25 AM
Scaretale, now. Again - ooh! No italics, that's only SLS so far, but still - ooh.

EDIT: Ooh!
I knew ittttt :biggrin:

Damn, it is a good little album, now that I remember. I was never ready to call myself a fan of Nightwish but I obviously enjoyed a lot of their music and this contains several catchy songs I wouldn't mind dancing to somewhere on a live show. Ghost River, I remember, was especially good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 10:40:17 AM
Heeey, you asked for it :rollin

I did it and I am very thankful for it :)
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Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 10:47:11 AM
Scaretale, now. Again - ooh! No italics, that's only SLS so far, but still - ooh.

EDIT: Ooh!
I knew ittttt :biggrin:

Damn, it is a good little album, now that I remember. I was never ready to call myself a fan of Nightwish but I obviously enjoyed a lot of their music and this contains several catchy songs I wouldn't mind dancing to somewhere on a live show. Ghost River, I remember, was especially good.
You're telling me! Arabesque just started. The drums!! This album is so cool musically.

Also, having finished Storytime, Annette's bits were literally the only thing that kept that song from being a perfect ten on first listen. She's fine, and I do really like her voice (Turn Loose the Mermaids now, and she's ace!!), but like I was going to say in the last post before I kept getting distracted by the music - not only Slow Love Slow, I ain't half looking forward to finding out what Floor Jansen brings to all this material. Woman's a phenomenon.

Also, TLtM - little bit of a Wild West influence? Very Morricone. Lush.
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Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 11:21:07 AM
All right. Song of Myself, now. Big spoken word section.

No. Not for me. Tuomas Holopainen is many things, but a poet is not one of them. Got the lyric booklet out as they were saying the thing about the city that worships flesh - as I was thinking, "Right, not getting any of this." Thought, "Oh, good, at least it's almost over." Then it carried on. Turned the page. "Oh." I, too, wish to be a decent manboy. "Yeah, I think I'm done here."

As a general rule, the further it drifts from trad. Nightwish, the more I like this album. It's the songs like Slow, Love, Slow; The Crow, the Owl and the Dove that I'm really digging. Liking the title track, but it feels like it's at the wrong end of the album.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 11:32:06 AM
Tuomas Holopainen is many things, but a poet is not one of them.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. I am so very sick of him writing sad "poetry" about himself not being "all grown up". It's one of the reasons why I can't call myself a Nightwish fan. DT has some cringey lyrical moments as well but I'd rather have DT12 be a concept albums about counts and pharaohs and vampires and whatever else JP was criticized for (based on a thousand different animes and submitted to Wikipedia editors for approval on style) than have him write this:
"Today, in the year of our Lord, 2013
John was called from the cares of the world
He stopped crying at the end of each beautiful day."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on February 02, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
It's been a while since I last listened to NW (a year actually, when Imaginaerum had come out), but I heard Bless the Child on the radio a few days ago and that inspired me to dig up my Century Child CD - damn, I had forgotten about the great songs this album includes! :metal It isn't cheesy power metal like their earlier works, but Tuomas hadn't become obsessed with orchestral arrangements yet, either.

Rob, the less typical NW songs on Imaginaerum stood out to me as well, although I remember liking Rest Calm the most (due to the doom influence, perhaps?). And yeah, Milena - Tuomas writes some really cheesy lyrics; that's probably one of the main reasons I don't care about NW anymore. NW on the whole is too much Disney for my taste nowadays! :lol

EDIT: Don't want to sound as if I'm a hipster or underground or something like that, but NW is basically metal for kids and grannies in Finland - it's so safe. Or maybe we're just getting overexposed to them? My friend was a fan when Tarja was still in the band and he got bored of Nemo after hearing it too many times on the radio. Hell, I don't even listen to radio on my own, yet Storytime started to annoy me after I had heard it just a couple of times! :lol Ironically, I got into NW thanks to the frequent airplay of Amaranth back in the day... Metal getting played on the radio can be a blessing and a curse at the same time!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2013, 09:00:23 PM
Never heard Nightwish on the radio. Too bad the USA has terrible music taste as a whole.
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Post by: Jaffa on February 03, 2013, 01:50:54 AM
All right. Song of Myself, now. Big spoken word section.

No. Not for me.

Yeah, I really love Song of Myself up until the spoken word section, but then it starts going downhill pretty rapidly for me. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on February 03, 2013, 03:45:35 AM
It's been a while since I last listened to NW (a year actually, when Imaginaerum had come out), but I heard Bless the Child on the radio a few days ago and that inspired me to dig up my Century Child CD - damn, I had forgotten about the great songs this album includes! :metal It isn't cheesy power metal like their earlier works, but Tuomas hadn't become obsessed with orchestral arrangements yet, either.

I hate, hate, HATE that radio edit of Bless the Child. It cuts part of the magnificent build-up >:(.

Anyway, cool that you picked up CC. A top 5 album ever for me. There are JUST enough of orchestra. Fun fact: My hometown's symphony orchestra played the orchestral parts on the album.

EDIT: Don't want to sound as if I'm a hipster or underground or something like that, but NW is basically metal for kids and grannies in Finland - it's so safe. Or maybe we're just getting overexposed to them? My friend was a fan when Tarja was still in the band and he got bored of Nemo after hearing it too many times on the radio. Hell, I don't even listen to radio on my own, yet Storytime started to annoy me after I had heard it just a couple of times! :lol Ironically, I got into NW thanks to the frequent airplay of Amaranth back in the day... Metal getting played on the radio can be a blessing and a curse at the same time!

Even when I listen to popular music, I do it wrong. My favourite Nightwish albums are the four first, none of which had big hit songs. I have listened their more recent albums only once, and I find them good, but I rather stick with my precious foursome.

And I like Nightwish lyrics. Especially on Century Child.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on February 03, 2013, 03:47:01 AM
I hate, hate, HATE that radio edit of Bless the Child. It cuts part of the magnificent build-up >:(.
It was Radio Rock and they played the full song! :metal It was nice to hear BTC instead of some bigger hit for once.
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Post by: Ruba on February 03, 2013, 03:48:45 AM
Oh that's great  :smiley:.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkChestOfWonders on February 15, 2013, 09:15:15 AM
I find this forum's lack of recent Nightwish posting most disturbing.  :glare:

:hearts:

/floored by Floor
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 15, 2013, 09:22:50 AM
I find this forum's lack of recent Nightwish posting most disturbing.  :glare:

:hearts:

/floored by Floor
Everyone's floored by Floor. What a majestic singer :heart
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkChestOfWonders on February 15, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
No kidding.  I'm not planning on changing my Tarja avatar anytime soon forever, but...yeah...Floor.  :jawdrop:

*glances up higher in the thread*

Oh hai, Sabredog!  *waves*

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2013, 01:42:47 PM
The lack of discussion is probably due to the lack of news. Id love for them to say Floor is staying and they are going back to the studio soon. A man can wish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on February 15, 2013, 09:27:19 PM
As good as she makes Nightwish sound (not a fan of the band), NW has delayed Revamp's new album by too much as it is.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 16, 2013, 04:43:57 AM
Floor has posted that she´s recording the vocals for the new Revamp album as we speak.
As for Nightwish....who knows?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on May 03, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
Has anyone else seen the movie yet?

I bought the Bluray from the Nightwish website and it came yesterday.

I didn't get a chance to watch the whole thing, but what I watched was pretty good. Definitely non-traditional, and it does "feature" the band playing two of their songs (which does have context in the story). The special effects could definitely be better, but for the amount of money they had to work with it isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 03, 2013, 12:52:54 PM
Oh I almost have forgot about the movie!  :omg: I will check that out!  :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on May 03, 2013, 12:56:10 PM
As good as she makes Nightwish sound (not a fan of the band), NW has delayed Revamp's new album by too much as it is.
Love After forever, but I haven't been able to get into Revamp.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on May 03, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
I'm not the biggest fan either but they have some awesome tunes and Floor does experiment with a different side of her voice with the band. And they've done this Sins song from the new album that is just unbelievably good, imo, and I want to finally hear the good studio quality and not some shitty cam recording from the audience.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on May 03, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
Floor is one of my absolute favourite singers and her performances are great on the first ReVamp album, the songs just didn't interest me enough. It wasn't bad, and there were some nice songs, but on the whole I found it a little dull.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on May 04, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
That describes the situation with ReVamp wonderfully for me, too. I'll check out this new album, though, if abydos thinks it'll be better.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on May 04, 2013, 11:42:16 AM
I certainly hope so, for one. It's been so long since it was supposed to be out anyway, I hope they've taken their sweet time to polish it. What put Revamp on the map for me last year was this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0E3xREwliI Check it out if you haven't. If you're a Floor fan, you're in for a treat :). She puts most male singers to shame with the power of her voice, imo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on May 06, 2013, 02:25:46 PM
Okay, final opinion of Nightwish movie: 8/10 overall. Story - 9/10, Audio - 9/10, Visual Effects - 6.5-7/10.

It is definitely worth a watch if you can find a way. For Americans, it can get a little pricy, as with all fees and shipping included, just the Bluray was close to $40 from Nightwish's official shop.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on July 05, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
This is a great live version of The Poet and the Pendulum from 2008. The bass is nice and loud too. Annette also sounds really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8vCmmY2ISE
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on July 14, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
I saw them live at Ilosaarirock two days ago and wow! Even though the setlist was average, the band was on fire. And I like Floor, she is lovely and has a great voice. She's better than Anette (love her still), but not as good as Tarja, though.

They didn't save any pyrotechnics. Marco and Emppu were their quirky selves. Jukka's playing was sharp and Tuomas orchestrated things behind keyboards. Oh, and Troy Donockley played on I Want My Tears Back, Nemo, Last of the Wilds and Over the Hills and Far Away.

Some of my favourite moments were She Is My Sin, Ever Dream, middle section of I Want My Tears Back, Nemo, Amaranth and Ghost Love Score. But there were three songs above the others.

Before they started playing Bless the Child, I yelled "Wishmaster!" Then I heard the choir opening and yelled again, "Even better!" It is the song that made me fall in love with NW and I had no idea they would play it. The only flaw was Floor singing the first verse with the lyrics of the second verse. But even playing anything else than Ever Dream from Century Child is a great act of culture.

Romanticide was precedented by a humorous speech by Marco (my translation): "And now it's time for an open letter... sort of a tradition in our band. Dear wife. I know it's our anniversary. And I know you have spend the last three hours in the kitchen making dinner for me... coq au vin. But I'm not going home tonight. I'm going to a hot dog stand. Because I love sausages. This is the death of romance, Romanticide!"

DAT. OUTRO.  :metal :metal :metal

After the song Marco said: "Just kidding. Going to sleep beside you tonight."

And the last song of the set was Last Ride of the Day. Near the end of the song, fireworks started. It was really wonderful. And there were plenty of them.

It was my favourite gig ever... until I saw PMMP yesterday. But they don't have a thread here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on July 14, 2013, 05:20:15 PM
One day I will see Nightwish! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on July 14, 2013, 05:34:38 PM
I'd still enjoy seeing them. It sucks that Anette isn't there anymore.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 15, 2013, 12:03:50 AM
Over the years I have been lucky enough to see NW with all 3 singers.
Best singer Tarja, better front woman Anette, Floor was okay, but didn't blow me away.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zukuduku on July 22, 2013, 02:38:41 PM
I finally managed to read the Nightwish book by Mape Ollila. It had quite many pieces of information that I had totally missed, like that the band gave the last warning to Tarja etc. It felt incredible how they managed to let the band athmosphere decrease to such a horrible level in 2004-2005.

Especially if you compare it with Dream Theater and the events leading to MP's departure in 2010. I got the feeling from the book that if Tarja had got a good record deal in 2004 or later, she would have quit Nightwish immediately. But thanks to her husband's lack of business skills, the deal was not achieved and the band decided to get rid of them proactively.

So although there were some similarities to DT situation, I don't think things would have got so bad in DT even if MP hadn't got the lucrative chance of joining A7X in 2010. Although the relationships in DT were a bit strained, MP still cared for the band, acted professionally and did not try to sabotage the band as Tarja Turunen / Marcelo Cabuli did. And as DT members are American, they are capable of communication and can perhaps even make amends and forget old disagreements :)

On the other hand, seeing how they've completely misfired choosing their previous singer, even though it took them awhile (it was a sort of a "we totally trust her she'll be able to nail old songs based on a few rehearsals, and she has a kid already and might want more and she's never toured but she'll totally be able to handle world tour after world tour"-deal), maybe it would be good for them to first do a full tour with Floor to see if they want to stick with her for the rest of their career.

This is also what I don't fully get. I understood from the book that the problems in Nightwish kind of started when Tarja was unhappy when touring -> did not communicate or spend time with the band -> spent time with Marcelo -> etc. So one would think that singers with a proven track record in touring would be given precedence in the selection process. The other complaint that the band members had for Tarja was lack of dedication to the band. So again it seems a bit odd to have a frontwoman who is raising a large family. But hey, if it works for Within Temptation, so why not for Nightwish as well?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on July 22, 2013, 02:59:16 PM
What I found ridiculous is how Tarja refused to tour the US due to the small venues. I mean, if you're trying to gain some success over there, you have to start from the little clubs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 22, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
Marcelo Cabuli tried to sue Mape for what was in the book. However I know Mape left a lot of stuff out of the book, in order to avoid legal action.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 23, 2013, 08:15:41 AM
Especially if you compare it with Dream Theater and the events leading to MP's departure in 2010.

There aren't really any comparisons that can be drawn between the two situations, other than the fact that both involve bands with departing members.

But hey, if it works for Within Temptation, so why not for Nightwish as well?

But the problem is, it isn't really working for Within Temptation.  WT are not putting out albums with any real regularity.  They aren't touring extensively.  They aren't doing the things they could easily be doing to make WT huge.  They haven't even done a U.S. tour at all since The Heart Of Everything, and do not seem to be inclined to do one.  And that's all fine if Robert and Sharon want WT to continue being basically just a "hobby."  Yes, they are huge celebs in their country and a few places around Europe.  But they aren't really making WT a viable band in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 23, 2013, 01:49:53 PM
I think Within Temptation are deciding to stay closer to home because of the rare chance they tour and they get sick or something to that effect. I as a fan from the us understand and respect that, they are writing again, so that's good.

Anyways,

"ALL THE SAME TAKE ME AWAY WE'RE DEAD TO THE WORLD"
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 23, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
Maybe they don't care to tour the USA and/or haven't been offered a tour?
Or it could be they are happy with being as big as they are?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on July 30, 2013, 06:36:52 AM
From their FB feed this morning.

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The time has come soon to wrap up the magical & memorable one-and-a-half year `Imaginaerum World Tour´ 2012-2013! We still have three shows left, one of them being at the legendary Wacken Open Air Metal Festival on the 3rd of August. This show will be something extra special, since it will be released later this year on DvD/Blu-ray, together with a massive `Imaginaerum World Tour´ 2012-2013 documentary. Our darling flying Dutchwoman, Floor Jansen, has been nothing but incredible during her time in Nightwish on this tour, so this is a perfect opportunity to immortalize the current vibe of the band on film!

:happydance:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 30, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
Sweet!  I was really hoping for a DVD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on July 30, 2013, 08:12:44 AM
Sweet!  I was really hoping for a DVD.

You and me both brother!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2013, 08:27:48 AM
I just saw that on facebook.  That is such awesome news.  Even if they don't stick with Floor, it will be awesome to get a filmed concert with her and the Imaginarium songs.

It would be awesome if they snuck in some bonus footage of Annette from the start of the tour, but I heavily doubt that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on July 30, 2013, 08:40:09 AM
Their DVD will probably be out before Dream Theater's.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on July 30, 2013, 08:47:29 AM
Awesome news! I really wanted a performance captured from this tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on July 30, 2013, 08:54:02 AM
Their DVD will probably be out before Dream Theater's.

You're probably right.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 30, 2013, 08:57:49 AM
If by "Dream Theater's," you mean Live At Luna Park, yeah.  At the rate we're going, Dream Theater's DVD from the "Along For The Ride" tour will probably be out before Live At Luna Park. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 30, 2013, 12:18:50 PM
Interesting that they would film a DVD with a (as of now) temporary singer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 30, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
Interesting that they would film a DVD with a (as of now) temporary singer.

Well, given that they put out new albums slightly less frequently than Pink Floyd, I think they have to take advantage of the opportunity to do a DVD whenever they can. 

*ignores the obvious elephant in the room of "does this mean Floor is officially joining?! :panicattack: "*
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: yorost on July 30, 2013, 05:55:35 PM
We're talking about Nightwish, a band that filmed a dvd the night they were planning to can their singer and later released a 'movie' featuring a singer already let go. If Floor had any interest in joining Nightwish, being filmed with them was a very risky thing to agree to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 30, 2013, 08:46:02 PM
Let's say they don't offer Floor the permanent position, and next year they find the 3rd permanent vocalist.

Years later, if someone looks at their back catalog, it will look odd that there's a live DVD with a temporary singer who was just filling in.

This is all a big "What if?" I honestly hope they take Floor in permanently, she fits great, the fans have gotten used to her already and I'm sure the band likes her a lot too. They'd be fools to not to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 30, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
Let's say they don't offer Floor the permanent position, and next year they find the 3rd permanent vocalist.

Years later, if someone looks at their back catalog, it will look odd that there's a live DVD with a temporary singer who was just filling in.

Yes and no.  In general, I would agree.  But the reality is that this is a rather grand concept, and a tour with a concept like this deserves to be preserved and recorded with a live video.  And that being said, there is the logistical problem of the band having parted ways with their official vocalist.  Under those circumstances, in the grand context of their history, it really won't be that odd to have a mere "replacement" singer captured on their live recording. 

Add to that the fact that Tuomas basically does whatever he feels like, doesn't really seem to overly care what critics think, and it mostly seems to work out okay.  So there you go. 

But I'm with you.  I hope they do just join forces permanently.  If Tuomas and Floor can function permanently in a band environment (the biggest sticking point I think being that one or both will likely have to give up a great degree of creative control, which I think will be difficult), we the fans definitely win.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 31, 2013, 01:53:50 AM
Let's say they don't offer Floor the permanent position, and next year they find the 3rd permanent vocalist.

Years later, if someone looks at their back catalog, it will look odd that there's a live DVD with a temporary singer who was just filling in.

Yes and no.  In general, I would agree.  But the reality is that this is a rather grand concept, and a tour with a concept like this deserves to be preserved and recorded with a live video.  And that being said, there is the logistical problem of the band having parted ways with their official vocalist.  Under those circumstances, in the grand context of their history, it really won't be that odd to have a mere "replacement" singer captured on their live recording. 

Add to that the fact that Tuomas basically does whatever he feels like, doesn't really seem to overly care what critics think, and it mostly seems to work out okay.  So there you go. 

But I'm with you.  I hope they do just join forces permanently.  If Tuomas and Floor can function permanently in a band environment (the biggest sticking point I think being that one or both will likely have to give up a great degree of creative control, which I think will be difficult), we the fans definitely win.

True. Plus, if they decide to go with someone else, it'll probably seem like they're looking for a fourth vocalist, seeing as how they had to get accustomed with Floor already.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 16, 2013, 05:11:06 AM
I really think that issuing a live DVD with Floor seals her fate as the new permanent singer for NW.
Unless she does not want it and for some reason thinks ReVamp can be massive?
Realistically though, she will never be in a band as good or as big as NW, so I hope is is confirmed as the 'new singer' when the DVD is released.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on August 16, 2013, 05:13:50 AM
Realistically though, she will never be in a band as good or as big as NW, so I hope is is confirmed as the 'new singer' when the DVD is released.

I agree, and would love to see her in NW full-time.  But, maybe she doesn't want to be in a band that big full-time?  Lot's of great performers don't aspire to make it big, just do what they love.

Just playing devil's advocate.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 16, 2013, 05:43:32 AM
Yeah good point, as I said she might just fancy doing ReVamp.
But as she has had a taste of a different level, maybe she likes it and wants more?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on August 16, 2013, 06:04:00 AM
https://www.ghostcultmag.com/a-question-of-balance-an-interview-with-revamp/
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Would you be willing to sing for Nightwish permanently if they asked you?

I’ve been asked to fill in for the current world tour and for a couple of festival dates, but what will happen after that is still unclear. Nightwish will take a break after the current touring cycle and they’ll make a decision next year. Until then everything is still up in the air. If they would ask me I would be very flattered and I would love to do it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on August 16, 2013, 08:41:25 AM
:floorgasm:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 16, 2013, 10:57:25 AM
I searched for a Tarja thread, but couldn't find one.
Her new album, 'Colours In The Dark' is easily the best thing she has done since leaving NW.
10 songs all very strong, one Peter Gabriel cover, great singing of course and good production.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 16, 2013, 11:00:20 AM
I have What Lies Beneath, and I've heard some of her other stuff.  And while I loved her in Nightwish, her solo stuff pretty much does nothing for me.

But I think I'll listen to End Of An Era now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 16, 2013, 11:29:12 AM
I didn't even buy What Lies Beneath, I heard it and it was bloody awful, what was she thinking covering Still Of The Night?
As I said, easily her best effort since, Once' with NW.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 16, 2013, 11:34:46 AM
Wait, WHAT?  I had to go back and check because I didn't remember that being on there.  Must have been a bonus track, because it's not on mine.  I just YouTubed it, and...ugh.  That is just awful!  And not just her singing on it.  The instrumentation is terrible.  The...well, the whole thing is just bad.  Wow, that was just NOT a good idea at all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on August 16, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
Bosk... check the videos from her FB page that she's released from the upcoming album.  I'm totally with you that her solo stuff honks on bobo, but this album has me (almost) excited.  Think I'll be picking it up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 16, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
I'm a bit reluctant to countenance any honking, whether actual or implied, of nary a bobo.  But I will give the videos a shot. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on August 16, 2013, 11:50:17 AM
I liked the middle part where it was just her and some keys but the rest of the song just made me cringe so hard.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 16, 2013, 10:00:48 PM
I've played the Colours In the Dark album 6 times in my car and it's surprisingly very good.
Though today my girlfriend told me to turn it off and put on Sabaton  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 16, 2013, 12:09:13 PM
Mother of God it's been a good day for announcements!!!

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NIGHTWISH - details of new live DVD »Showtime, Storytime« revealed!

Finnish Symphonic Metal legends NIGHTWISH have revealed the cover artwork and more details of their upcoming new live DVD. »Showtime, Storytime« contains the entire NIGHTWISH headliner show, played at this years' legendary Wacken Open Air - the world's biggest heavy metal festival. The live show in the front of 85 000 screaming metalheads was directed by Ville Lipiäinen, filmed with seventeen cameras and has a total duration of 85 minutes.

The second disc consists of 120-minute tour documentary 'Please Learn The Setlist in 48 Hours', also directed by Ville Lipiäinen, with no short of drama or overall madness. Also, there is a 16-minute NIGHTWISH Table Hockey Tournament, filmed on tour. On top of this there are two music clips: 'I Want My Tears Back' (Live at Hartwall Arena) and 'Ghost Love Score' (Live in Buenos Aires).

The Wacken Open Air appearance was the first of the three final shows of the band's `Imaginaerum World Tour´ 2013, which saw the Norsemen and their Dutch amazon Floor Jansen (REVAMP) playing of 104 concerts in 34 different countries with total audience of over 1,5 million fans around the globe.
Mastermind and keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen states: "Our darling flying Dutchwoman, Floor Jansen, has been nothing but incredible during her time in NIGHTWISH on this tour, so this is a perfect opportunity to immortalize the current vibe of the band on film!"

The setlist reads as follows (DVD1):
01. Dark Chest Of Wonders
02. Wish I Had An Angel
03. She Is My Sin
04. Ghost River
05. Ever Dream
06. Storytime
07. I Want My Tears Back
08. Nemo
09. Last Of The Wilds
10. Bless The Child
11. Romanticide
12. Amaranth
13. Ghost Love Score
14. Song Of Myself
15. Last Ride Of The Day
16. Outro (Imaginaerum)

»Showtime, Storytime« will be released on November 29th as a "Ltd. 2Blu-ray + 2CD DIGI", "Ltd. 2DVD + 2CD DIGI", "Ltd. 2CD DIGI", "2LP (coloured) in gatefold" and an exclusive "Nuclear Blast Mailorder Edition".

November is going to be a very happy month for DVDs!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 16, 2013, 12:53:19 PM
Cool!  (although I am a bit surprised at the set list--I would have expected more from the new album).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 16, 2013, 12:59:04 PM
Mother of God it's been a good day for announcements!!!

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NIGHTWISH - details of new live DVD »Showtime, Storytime« revealed!

Finnish Symphonic Metal legends NIGHTWISH have revealed the cover artwork and more details of their upcoming new live DVD. »Showtime, Storytime« contains the entire NIGHTWISH headliner show, played at this years' legendary Wacken Open Air - the world's biggest heavy metal festival. The live show in the front of 85 000 screaming metalheads was directed by Ville Lipiäinen, filmed with seventeen cameras and has a total duration of 85 minutes.

The second disc consists of 120-minute tour documentary 'Please Learn The Setlist in 48 Hours', also directed by Ville Lipiäinen, with no short of drama or overall madness. Also, there is a 16-minute NIGHTWISH Table Hockey Tournament, filmed on tour. On top of this there are two music clips: 'I Want My Tears Back' (Live at Hartwall Arena) and 'Ghost Love Score' (Live in Buenos Aires).

The Wacken Open Air appearance was the first of the three final shows of the band's `Imaginaerum World Tour´ 2013, which saw the Norsemen and their Dutch amazon Floor Jansen (REVAMP) playing of 104 concerts in 34 different countries with total audience of over 1,5 million fans around the globe.
Mastermind and keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen states: "Our darling flying Dutchwoman, Floor Jansen, has been nothing but incredible during her time in NIGHTWISH on this tour, so this is a perfect opportunity to immortalize the current vibe of the band on film!"

The setlist reads as follows (DVD1):
01. Dark Chest Of Wonders
02. Wish I Had An Angel
03. She Is My Sin
04. Ghost River
05. Ever Dream
06. Storytime
07. I Want My Tears Back
08. Nemo
09. Last Of The Wilds
10. Bless The Child
11. Romanticide
12. Amaranth
13. Ghost Love Score
14. Song Of Myself
15. Last Ride Of The Day
16. Outro (Imaginaerum)

»Showtime, Storytime« will be released on November 29th as a "Ltd. 2Blu-ray + 2CD DIGI", "Ltd. 2DVD + 2CD DIGI", "Ltd. 2CD DIGI", "2LP (coloured) in gatefold" and an exclusive "Nuclear Blast Mailorder Edition".

November is going to be a very happy month for DVDs!!!

HOLY CRAP

YES

A DVD WITH FLOOR

FUQ
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: adace on September 16, 2013, 01:20:59 PM
Bout time they put a DVD out. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on September 16, 2013, 01:24:17 PM
I thought Ghost Love Score was the show closer. I can't imagine what would be worth following up Floor's outstanding last few minutes in that song. Just... this woman is unreal.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 16, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Cool!  (although I am a bit surprised at the set list--I would have expected more from the new album).

Surprised as well, looks like they played a set of more older materiel.  I guess Floor did well with the old stuff so they might as well get a DVD with those songs on it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: adace on October 09, 2013, 03:39:41 AM
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Ms. Floor Jansen is a keeper.

Also, we will be a six-piece band from now on, as Mr. Troy Donockley (uilleann pipes, low whistles, vocals) will become a full-time member of NIGHTWISH.

Originally we were going to wait until 2014 to make a decision about the future line-up of the band, but the past year has clearly shown us that Floor and Troy are perfect matching pieces to our puzzle, and we are really grateful of the bond that has grown between all of us. We love you guys.

Tuomas
Marco
Jukka
Emppu

Commented vocalist Floor Jansen: "Words cannot describe what I feel! This union is beyond everything and I cannot tell you how wonderful it is to continue this amazing journey with my new brothers! Once I had a dream…and this is it!!!"

Piper/whistleman, added vocalist Troy Donockley: "`Imaginaerum World Tour´was a revelation to me and in that time, I became aware of a growing unity and then, finally, a transcendence of all the usual nonsense that affects bands. A beautiful process. And since the idea, the musical dream that is NIGHTWISH has been a part of me since before I was born, I am delighted to officially sail into uncharted waters with my brothers and sister. Wondrous scenes Ahoy! "

The new line-up can be seen on the live / tour documentary DVD »Showtime, Storytime«, released on November 29th.
Watch a brand new trailer, directed by Ville Lipiäinen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czsLPig_0s&feature=youtu.be

Preorder »Showtime, Storytime« at:
the official Nightwish Shop at: https://shop.nightwish.com/ (Shipping worldwide!)
or from https://smarturl.it/NIGHTWISHShowtime

www.nightwish.com | www.facebook.com/nightwish | www.nuclearblast.de/nightwish

Great news! She's a fantastic singer and a perfect fit for the band. Can't wait for the DVD and the next album!


Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 09, 2013, 03:59:09 AM
Fantastic news!  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mister Gold on October 09, 2013, 04:05:44 AM
Terrific news! :hefdaddy Floor is easily the best singer the band's had to date, so I can't wait to hear her on the next album (whenever that happens :biggrin: )! :metal :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on October 09, 2013, 04:15:13 AM
Fantastic!

If they had chosen not to go with Floor and get someone else, I think the other person would have had a very hard time being accepted by fans.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 09, 2013, 04:28:41 AM
A singer that's doing the "windmill" on stage is definitly a keeper.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 09, 2013, 04:45:30 AM
Fantastic!

If they had chosen not to go with Floor and get someone else, I think the other person would have had a very hard time being accepted by fans.

This.  Pretty much anyone else would've been a let down after having Floor.

Very much looking forward to the next album, and I definitely won't miss them on tour again.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 09, 2013, 04:59:24 AM
Great news, pretty cool they are keeping Troy as well. I always got the feeing from this tour that he would continue to play a part with Nightwish.

I've been waiting to preorder the DVD but I haven't seen in on amazon yet and it would cost a lot to get it from the Nightwish store.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MetalMike06 on October 09, 2013, 05:48:16 AM
Awesome news! I expected it though; seems like they've always gotten incredibly positive feedback about Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 09, 2013, 07:53:03 AM
Wait...what exactly does Troy play that warrants him being a full member of the band?  ???

But excellent news about Floor!  I never cared for most of her stuff before Nightwish, but she was made for this band.  Perfect fit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 09, 2013, 08:03:15 AM
Great news, pretty cool they are keeping Troy as well. I always got the feeing from this tour that he would continue to play a part with Nightwish.

I've been waiting to preorder the DVD but I haven't seen in on amazon yet and it would cost a lot to get it from the Nightwish store.

Nightwish tends to not release specific things on Amazon unfortunately. I don't think their Imaginaerum movie is available on Amazon, for example. I have a feeling this won't be available either. I definitely agree that it is damn expensive on the official store.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on October 09, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
Wait...what exactly does Troy play that warrants him being a full member of the band?  ???
Some sort of bells and folky whistles, I imagine they will be a more prominent part of their music as well. The guy will be also on the new Ayreon so we'll get to see what he can do.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on October 09, 2013, 08:40:39 AM
While I'm not a huge fan of Nightwish, I'm pretty excited by this news. Floor is fantastic, and I like her more than Tarja and Annette.

Troy Donockley played on several Mostly Autumn albums (prog band with Celtic influences) and I enjoyed his contributions. Should be interesting to hear what he brings to Nightwish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 09, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
AMAZING! FLOOR'S A KEEPER!

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ruba on October 09, 2013, 09:09:49 AM
I'm a Tarja man through and through, but Floor fits the band very well and is such a charming person.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 09, 2013, 09:15:52 AM
Wait...what exactly does Troy play that warrants him being a full member of the band?  ???

Virtuoso whistle capabilities.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mister Gold on October 09, 2013, 09:19:52 AM
Wait...what exactly does Troy play that warrants him being a full member of the band?  ???

Virtuoso whistle capabilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrkIxTYymyE

That'll be his solo section. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 09, 2013, 10:04:16 AM
Wait...what exactly does Troy play that warrants him being a full member of the band?  ???

Virtuoso whistle capabilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrkIxTYymyE

That'll be his solo section. :biggrin:
::)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO-aCQ6xH-8
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 09, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Great news, pretty cool they are keeping Troy as well. I always got the feeing from this tour that he would continue to play a part with Nightwish.

I've been waiting to preorder the DVD but I haven't seen in on amazon yet and it would cost a lot to get it from the Nightwish store.

Nightwish tends to not release specific things on Amazon unfortunately. I don't think their Imaginaerum movie is available on Amazon, for example. I have a feeling this won't be available either. I definitely agree that it is damn expensive on the official store.

I saw a preorder for what was labelled as audio music for this but it says its 5 discs and priced like it so I'm hoping that they will have it. I'll check eBay when its released too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 09, 2013, 05:11:03 PM
This is great news. I can relax now  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 10, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
Whoa, wouldn't have thought it would happen.

That DVD/BR release looks good, but only an 85 minute set? I get that is was a festival, but still.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on October 10, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Listening to Ghost Love Score right now. Damn. :hearts:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on October 11, 2013, 02:43:43 AM
Listening to a bit of Nightwish at the moment, and I still think that Beauty of the Beast is still their best song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 11, 2013, 07:01:06 AM
Listening to a bit of Nightwish at the moment, and I still think that Beauty of the Beast is still their best song.

I agree.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 11, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
Listening to a bit of Nightwish at the moment, and I still think that Beauty of the Beast is still their best song.

I agree.

:iagree:

Ghost Love Floor gives it a run for it's money, but still falls a bit short.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on October 11, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
Once and Dark Passion Play are the only Nightwish albums I own, and Once is really starting to grow on me now :metal



Ghost Love Floor gives it a run for it's money

I loooove that version :smiley:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 11, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Once and Dark Passion Play are the only Nightwish albums I own, and Once is really starting to grow on me now :metal



Ghost Love Floor gives it a run for it's money

I loooove that version :smiley:

Please tell me that you have at least heard Imaginaerum? Fantastic album.
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Post by: aprilethereal on October 11, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
It's on my never ending list of albums I want to buy :D
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 11, 2013, 10:03:15 AM
I think Imaginaerum is incredibly dull, honestly...
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 11, 2013, 10:15:38 AM
I think Imaginaerum is incredibly dull, honestly...

To each their own  :) Personally, it is my favorite Nightwish album.
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Post by: gazinwales on October 11, 2013, 12:44:15 PM
Same for me, really can't stand listening to it, easily their worst album for me.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 11, 2013, 12:46:59 PM
Same for me, really can't stand listening to it, easily their worst album for me.

I wouldn't say worst, but it sure ain't their best.

Century Child is the best them.
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Post by: aprilethereal on October 11, 2013, 01:24:50 PM
Century Child is the best them.

Better than Once? :dangerwillrobinson:
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 11, 2013, 01:31:21 PM
Century Child is the best them.

Better than Once? :dangerwillrobinson:

I personally think it is, but it doesn't contain my favorite songs.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 11, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
My top 3:
1.  Once
2.  Century Child
3.  Imaginaerium

After that, I don't really listen to the others much, other than the odd song or two here and there.  But those three are tops for sure, and 1 and 2 are almost interchangeable.  Once just sounds a tad more polished and modern, so I give it a slight edge.

Oh, and...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_9nLUAPU2E 
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Post by: Zook on October 11, 2013, 01:34:12 PM
Imaginaerum is Nightwish's best album. It's the only album of their's where I can listen to the whole thing. Not a weak track. Every other one of their albums have weak or even bad/boring songs.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 11, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
Century Child is the best them.

Better than Once? :dangerwillrobinson:

It's close, but yes, CC is tops for me.

Imaginaerum is Nightwish's best album. It's the only album of their's where I can listen to the whole thing. Not a weak track. Every other one of their albums have weak or even bad/boring songs.

Are you nucking futs?  :lol  The opening and closing tracks are entirely skipable, Arabasque is clearly a bridge track (but it's kinda cool), and Tuomas's penchant for long drawn out ramblings detracts from the flagship song (on both DPP and Imag'n).  Hell, I programmed Song of Myself to end at the 7:10 mark.
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Post by: Zook on October 11, 2013, 02:42:58 PM
I like the opening, and although I did make an edit of SOM as well, the full version never bothered me. Arabasque is awesome. Once has Creek Mary's Blood, Wish I Had an Angel and a few others I could do without. Same with Century Child. The middle section of Scartale is pretty stupid, but again, it never bothered me and I was never compelled to skip it.

Tastes, shmastes.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 11, 2013, 02:55:24 PM
Tastes, shmastes.

Exactly.  I love Creek Mary's Blood, native chant and all.  The version from End of an Era is chilling.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 11, 2013, 03:52:29 PM
Creek Mary's Blood is one of the best songs on Once...
I agree with Wish I Had An Angel though. Don't like that song.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 11, 2013, 04:02:51 PM
Creek Mary's Blood is one of the best songs on Once...

Yup, I think Once is the best album.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 11, 2013, 05:25:03 PM
I enjoy mostly all of Once, even Wish I Had an Angel.
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Post by: gazinwales on October 11, 2013, 06:31:50 PM
As much as I love Once, my all time fave NW is Oceanborn.
I remember playing it to death when it first came out, I love every second of it.
Played in in the car yesterday and sounds as good as ever.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 11, 2013, 08:57:30 PM
I'm a big fan of wishmaster too
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Post by: Ruba on October 12, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
Century Child is the best them.

Better than Once? :dangerwillrobinson:

Album with Dead Gardens better than CC? I'm not saying it's a bad song, but completely in a different league than any song on Century Child.

I think Once is a bit too bloated, but still a good album. Planet Hell, Ghost Love Score and Higher Than Hope are amazing.

Imaginaerum has the worst NW song ever (Storytime), Ghost River sounds a bit silly and I'm not too crazy about I Want My Tears Back, although the middle section is insanely cool when played live. Everything else is amazing. Best post-Tarja album. Anette doesn't deserve all the hate, people just should go and listen to Slow, Love, Slow. :heart
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Post by: Zook on October 12, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
Century Child is the best them.

Better than Once? :dangerwillrobinson:

Album with Dead Gardens better than CC? I'm not saying it's a bad song, but completely in a different league than any song on Century Child.

I think Once is a bit too bloated, but still a good album. Planet Hell, Ghost Love Score and Higher Than Hope are amazing.

Imaginaerum has the worst NW song ever (Storytime), Ghost River sounds a bit silly and I'm not too crazy about I Want My Tears Back, although the middle section is insanely cool when played live. Everything else is amazing. Best post-Tarja album. Anette doesn't deserve all the hate, people just should go and listen to Slow, Love, Slow. :heart

Why are your opinions so weird?!
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Post by: Ruba on October 12, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
Dunno. Something in the drinking water, perhaps?
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Post by: ? on October 12, 2013, 10:41:30 AM
I don't hate Storytime, but I've found it pretty annoying from day one. The fact that it was overplayed on Finnish radio didn't help :\
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Post by: aprilethereal on October 12, 2013, 11:54:14 AM
Storytime's vocal melodies are pretty weak imo.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 12, 2013, 01:05:07 PM
Storytime  is an excellent song...within the context of the story.  I enjoy Imaginarium a LOT, just as much as Once.  Ghost Story(weird ass spelling), The Island, and Ghost Love Score are my top 3.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 12, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Storytime is an excellent song, period.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 12, 2013, 11:21:10 PM
Yes it is, its even more better with talaktavi before it
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 13, 2013, 02:35:59 AM
Dark Passion Play is by far my favorite Nightwish album. Masterpiece front to back, IMO.
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 13, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
Storytime is an excellent song, period.

I absolutely agree. It is in my top 10 Nightwish songs. I love it.
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Post by: Riitasointi on October 14, 2013, 05:44:57 AM
I have to go on and state my opinion on Storytime as well. It's really good! One of my favorite NW songs tbh (not that I'm too familiar with their catalogue but anyway). The whole of Imaginaerum is very likeable to me actually. Who else is looking forward to Tuomas' Uncle Scrooge thing?
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2013, 07:48:35 AM
Quote
Today we released the first video clip out of the upcoming »Showtime, Storytime« release (out on November 29th)!

Check out the live video clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkYwOJZONU
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Post by: bosk1 on October 18, 2013, 08:05:51 AM
AWESOME!  She sounded really out of breath on the first verse, but the grit in her voice is something neither Anette nor Tarja could ever do.  But by the time she got to the operatic parts after the second verse and then the vamping at the end...  :omg:  This is going to be a cool DVD.  Can't wait.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on October 18, 2013, 08:07:01 AM
I haven't really been paying attention so... what happened to Anette?
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2013, 09:29:44 AM
Happened over a year ago.  Start here - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=8645.msg1410261#msg1410261
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Post by: Perpetual Change on October 18, 2013, 09:35:21 AM
I still don't get it. She got sick, couldn't perform, and Nightwish decided to go on without her? And then she got mad and quit?
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Post by: ? on October 18, 2013, 09:38:53 AM
There has to be more to it than just the illness incident, considering the guys had asked Floor to join them for the dates after the movie premiere even before all went down.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
Undoubtedly there is more to it, but yeah... she took her toys and went home.
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Post by: ariich on October 18, 2013, 09:40:52 AM
I still don't get it. She got sick, couldn't perform, and Nightwish decided to go on without her? And then she got mad and quit?
Pretty much. But from the press release at the time it sounded like there were other differences or tensions and that this incident was just the tipping point.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 18, 2013, 03:15:42 PM
I also recall Annette saying when she got sick they discovered something else was wrong with her and I've always wondered if that played a role too.
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Post by: adace on October 21, 2013, 04:14:53 AM
Tarja and Floor duetting "Over the Hills." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnVFJFmFx8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnVFJFmFx8)
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Post by: gazinwales on October 21, 2013, 01:25:25 PM
The original and best version of this great song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkL7niHy1-4
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Post by: bosk1 on October 21, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
Not sure who that poseur is or why he thinks he can get away with playing Nightwish's song without crediting them, but I will say he's a decent guitar player.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 21, 2013, 01:44:03 PM
The original and best version of this great song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkL7niHy1-4
:hefdaddy
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 21, 2013, 03:00:09 PM
Not sure who that poseur is or why he thinks he can get away with playing Nightwish's song without crediting them, but I will say he's a decent guitar player.

British?
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Post by: Jaq on October 21, 2013, 05:24:45 PM
I'm just gonna hope Bosk is being sarcastic.

Rather than insulting one of the guys on my guitar Mount Rushmore.  :rollin
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Post by: gazinwales on October 22, 2013, 02:58:30 AM
Yes how dare this unknown Irish guitarist even attempt,  to play that song...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on October 27, 2013, 07:30:54 AM
Currently listening to DPP. Once is so much better, it's not even funny.
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Post by: gazinwales on October 27, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
DPP has it's moments, 5.1 surround mix is great.
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Post by: Cool Chris on November 07, 2013, 11:04:07 AM
Showtime Storyime is up on Amazon, and at a much lower price. Can't imagine that 2 BR discs were necessaary, but whatever.

https://www.amazon.com/Showtime-Storytime-2-cd-2-blu-ray/dp/B00FPM19UI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383846793&sr=8-1&keywords=nightwish+showtime+storytime
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on November 07, 2013, 02:51:40 PM
Showtime Storyime is up on Amazon, and at a much lower price. Can't imagine that 2 BR discs were necessaary, but whatever.

https://www.amazon.com/Showtime-Storytime-2-cd-2-blu-ray/dp/B00FPM19UI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383846793&sr=8-1&keywords=nightwish+showtime+storytime

I can't wait to see it. Floor is awesome. It's too bad she wasn't the initial replacement for Tarja. Not that Anette is a bad singer. I just think she was in the wrong band, and the music was just a bit too big for her. I never thought in a million years I would be saying this, but I think with Floor fronting the band, they have the potential to surpass anything they've done before.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2013, 03:00:29 PM
I will be getting the Blu ray. I'm pretty pumped for this, not solely for Floor, but just for a NW concert in general with songs from Imaginarium.
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Post by: Mister Gold on November 08, 2013, 08:41:47 AM
Don't know if it's been posted here yet, but they released a video awhile back of "Storytime" off the upcoming live DVD/album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkYwOJZONU

I keep hearing most people say that they think it's one of Floor's weaker performance, but she sounds awesome here IMO. :metal
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Post by: Syzzle on November 08, 2013, 09:49:46 AM
Yeah it was posted back when the video came out, and I definitely disagree with those who say it's one of her weaker performances she sounds amazing.
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on November 08, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
Don't know if it's been posted here yet, but they released a video awhile back of "Storytime" off the upcoming live DVD/album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkYwOJZONU

I keep hearing most people say that they think it's one of Floor's weaker performance, but she sounds awesome here IMO. :metal

I know that personal tastes are always going to vary, but anyone who uses the word "weak" to describe her vocal performance is an idiot.
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Post by: ariich on November 08, 2013, 02:31:38 PM
That's pretty damn awesome! :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2013, 03:43:08 PM
I don't believe she is weak either, but I do think that song was very fitting for Annette and it is probably a more difficult song for Floor and hence why people think she is weak.  She does a damn good job IMO.

One of the bonus features on the DVD is the recorded performance of NW with Floor doing Ghost Love Score and I watch that video on youtube so much because it is so damn awesome.  She dominates.  I am expecting this DVD to be filled with that kind of awesomeness
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Post by: bosk1 on November 08, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
I think Floor sounds great on that song.  She isn't struggling at all.  I think perhaps the reason some may think she sounds like she is struggling is because we are hearing an isolated vocal track of just her.  Anette's vocal track on the album is not a single track.  It is multi-layered, including several harmony tracks.  Of course it is going to sound more full.
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Post by: Mister Gold on November 08, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
I actually think the reason those people were saying that it's a weak performance is that they didn't like how Floor belts out the song, instead of how Anette sang. Personally I prefer it, but yeah.
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Post by: Tyrias on November 15, 2013, 07:54:22 AM
New video of Ghost Love Score of the upcoming DVD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjIlHWBAVo&feature=youtu.be
Watching this gave me goosebumps all over. There is a reason Nightwish were my favourite band for about a year, when I was just getting into music in general, and this song was very much part of my loving Nightwish so much. I kinda overplayed it back then though, but after not listening to it for a few years I can now see how amazing it is once again.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2013, 08:07:44 AM
Wow.  Floor just KILLS it.
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on November 15, 2013, 03:57:10 PM

Awesome. I fucking love that woman.
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Post by: ariich on November 15, 2013, 03:58:37 PM
That is fantastic. Floor is so perfect for Nightwish!
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Post by: Zook on November 15, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
This comment is from another video of Ghost Love Score with Annette:
 
"Really? Well, I like Anette's version over Floor's Even if Anette does some ornaments that would be better to keep off the song, she seems in more control. Floor just ranges from trying to impress with her "versatility" and trying to sing along with the choir (failing) and leaves the intention behind. In a technical point of view, Floor's work seems over exagerated, and Anette's performance seems clean and and in more control. I stay with the original, but from Anette to Floor I prefere Anette."

:| (the whole thing but definitely the bolded part)
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Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
I think I am a bigger Annette fan than the average NW fan, but that comment is ridiculous.  Floor does this song better than Tarja IMO and that is saying a lot.  And in my opinion, compared to End of an Era, Floor seems way more into the song.
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Post by: abydos on November 15, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
"versatility"
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Post by: adace on November 15, 2013, 10:22:18 PM
Anette did a great job with DPP and Imaginaerium but it's clear beyond doubt that Floor is more suited to singing the old stuff. Really can't wait to to see the whole DVD.
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Post by: Mister Gold on November 16, 2013, 09:24:18 AM
This comment is from another video of Ghost Love Score with Annette:
 
"Really? Well, I like Anette's version over Floor's Even if Anette does some ornaments that would be better to keep off the song, she seems in more control. Floor just ranges from trying to impress with her "versatility" and trying to sing along with the choir (failing) and leaves the intention behind. In a technical point of view, Floor's work seems over exagerated, and Anette's performance seems clean and and in more control. I stay with the original, but from Anette to Floor I prefere Anette."

:| (the whole thing but definitely the bolded part)

While I don't have a problem with Anette as a vocalist, this is just ridiculous.

In my personal opinion, Floor has done to Ghost Love Score what Bruce Dickinson did with Phantom of the Opera when he joined Iron Maiden: made it his song and rocks the living hell out of it. As great as the original with Tarja is, you can tell that Floor loves singing GLS. From what I hear, it's her all-time favorite song and one that she wishes she had managed to write. It shows in her performance.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on November 18, 2013, 11:45:15 PM
Preordered the DVD+CD set yesterday :metal
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Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:40 PM

Awesome. I fucking love that woman.

Ditto Mr Tenniscourt ......................like your work too  ;)

Long term fan of Floor here via After Forever - she's always been my fave female metal singer.  I don't think she can be matched in terms of being capable of the operatic stuff but with such a huge rock/chest voice.

I actually prefer this clip to the version on the new DVD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4V_eoR6r1Tw#t=489

Lost count of how many times I've played that last minute or two and that final note  :hefdaddy    I believe they call it a Floorgasm  :lol

I also have the DVD on the way - never taken a great deal of interest in Nightwish but I'm on board now and looking forward to her taking them to a new level.  Hopefully the songs are there for her to make the most of.   Not a big fan of Revamp btw.
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Post by: abydos on November 19, 2013, 12:54:01 AM
That is fantastic. Floor is so perfect!

Here, fixed that for ya. :)

My god, that woman! I know Tarja is a good singer and all but if I were her I'd think twice before getting on the same stage as Floor.

Many people freak out about the high notes she hits (seemingly effortless) but that is not the thing that impresses me the most with her. I think a lot of talented singers can hit those notes, but the fullness and the power of her voice as she sustains them is what blows me away every god damn time. I have no idea if it's her training or it's just a freaky gift of nature or both but I can't recall another singer (even males) that can do that so effortlessly in a live setting time after time. And to think that this is just a small part of her capabilities. Inhuman.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 19, 2013, 04:38:31 AM
It's true that Floor is a classically trained vocalist, but what makes her truly special is the way she combines the higher parts with real power. She really is the complete package in that respect. Plus her stage presence is awesome as well.
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on November 19, 2013, 05:09:32 AM

Awesome. I fucking love that woman.

I actually prefer this clip to the version on the new DVD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4V_eoR6r1Tw#t=489

Lost count of how many times I've played that last minute or two and that final note  :hefdaddy    I believe they call it a Floorgasm  :lol


Yeah, and Emppu (guitar player) had a mile wide grin on his face like he had just dropped a load in his pants when she sustained that high note.
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Post by: aprilethereal on November 19, 2013, 05:17:31 AM

Awesome. I fucking love that woman.

I actually prefer this clip to the version on the new DVD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4V_eoR6r1Tw#t=489

Lost count of how many times I've played that last minute or two and that final note  :hefdaddy    I believe they call it a Floorgasm  :lol


Yeah, and Emppu (guitar player) had a mile wide grin on his face like he had just dropped a load in his pants when she sustained that high note.

Yup, his reaction might be my favourite moment of the whole video :D
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Post by: Zook on November 19, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
I have that version on my phone. I agree, it's better than on the DVD.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 19, 2013, 08:49:17 AM
The crowd atmosphere definitely is.  Keeping both in my YT favorites for sure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on November 23, 2013, 08:10:54 AM
Beauty Of The Beast :hearts:
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 25, 2013, 05:05:43 PM
My copy of Storytime is on its way....

Also, I'm interested to hear her sing Ever Dream.
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Post by: nikatapi on November 27, 2013, 04:20:44 AM
Hello girls and guys, i did an interview with Marco recently, you can read it here https://www.rocking.gr/interviews/en/Nightwish-interview-Marco-Hietala/18197/ (https://www.rocking.gr/interviews/en/Nightwish-interview-Marco-Hietala/18197/) if you are interested!

Thanks!
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Post by: aprilethereal on November 29, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
I just got Showtime Storytime in the mail :metal
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Post by: bl5150 on November 29, 2013, 06:04:01 AM
Still waiting for mine - really looking forward to finally having a pro shot full show on DVD with my favourite metal diva  :tup
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Post by: ErHaO on November 30, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
Wow, this new DVD is really awesome! Nice that the CD version is included too. Floor absolutely nails it and takes NW to another level imo.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 06, 2013, 02:10:42 PM
Just received it. Its pretty nice package.
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Post by: aprilethereal on December 07, 2013, 03:05:24 AM
I decided to buy Imaginaerum since I enjoyed the Imaginaerum songs on Showtime Storytime a lot. I'm currently listeing to it for the fourth time (I think), and it's surprisingly great. I actually expected it to be DPP #2, and DPP is easily the weakest Nightwish album I've heard so far IMO, but Imaginaerum is so much better in my opinion :tup
It has already surpassed Century Child as my second favourite behind Once :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2013, 10:51:32 AM
Not sure why you expected that. Imaginarium seemed to be pretty well received. Glad you finally joined the fun!
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Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2013, 08:54:34 AM
Picked up Showtime, Storytime over the weekend.  Overall verdict:  It is a good live release, but overall, I am a little disappointed.  The performance is decent, but not great.  And some of the between song banter is so embarassing at times that it actually detracts from the show, IMO.  Case in point:  Marco's introduction to Romanticide.  Holy inappropriate, Batman!  :lolpalm:  But still, this set is worth it for Ghost Love Score alone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 16, 2013, 08:56:51 AM
Yeah, the banter is indeed embarrassing, but the performances ARE great.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 16, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
I watched it for the first time the other night and enjoyed it - great that they included the (better) Argentina footage too.

I came to this as a Floor fan more than a Nightwish fan (Tarja never did it for me) and was suitably impressed - she is perfect for the band and I sat through (almost) the whole gig without skipping a thing.    if I was to be picky I was a bit over the same driving guitar sound in so many songs - I think the guitarist is the weak link in the band and a more imaginative and better second guitarist would really top them off.

I see massive potential for an amazing album out of these guys with Floor at the helm and really glad for her that she might be about to get the sort of props she deserves.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2013, 09:15:22 AM
I don't think lack of imagination should necessarily be laid at Emppu's feet.  From everything I've seen, he's a solid player.  But Tumoas writes the vast majority of the music, and he views the guitar as a supporting instrument rather than a lead instrument in Nightwish's music, so it is what it is.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on December 16, 2013, 09:18:24 AM
I don't think lack of imagination should necessarily be laid at Emppu's feet.  From everything I've seen, he's a solid player.  But Tumoas writes the vast majority of the music, and he views the guitar as a supporting instrument rather than a lead instrument in Nightwish's music, so it is what it is.

Fair enough - I saw enough of him to know he's just what you said - solid and not much more.  Don't get me wrong though - I was really impressed with the DVD .  Having said that it didn't sound so flash on the CD without the visual aspect.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 16, 2013, 09:43:22 AM
Emppu has always been a sore spot for me. I don't really mind his playing, but his tone really sounds very aluminum to me.

Anyway check out Tarja's album from this year? I don't love it, but it's pretty good. The songs are pretty fresh sounding, even if solo Tarja is a little bit more Tarja than I can handle.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2013, 10:09:34 AM
Anyway check out Tarja's album from this year? I don't love it, but it's pretty good. The songs are pretty fresh sounding, even if solo Tarja is a little bit more Tarja than I can handle.

Exactly.  Spotify'd the album, but it didn't do much for me.

I too watched the show on the weekend.  Really enjoyed it.  Not sure where I'd rank it vs End of an Era.  My problem with EoaE is that (knowing what we know now), I'm tainted by the fact the four of them knew they were going to torpedo Tarja the moment they stepped off the stage.  Overall, Floor's voice is perfect - can hit the operatic elements like Tarja, but can demonstrate more power and aggressive emotion than either Tarja or Annette could hope to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 16, 2013, 10:12:53 AM
Romanticide kicks so much ass, my jaw was on the floor at the end.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 16, 2013, 10:41:36 AM
I got my copy this past weekend and watched. I thought the performance was pretty average. I thought the songs were all a bit slower paced. Maybe for floor. Floor was fantastic. The camera angles weren't the greatest. The set list had so many repeats from their last DVD which is OK cause its a new singer, but I wish there could have been more songs that haven't been on a live release already.

I started watching the documentary and its really good. They have a ton of footage from the tour on there and it sucks they show no Annette by her request. There's tons of live footage from before she left which makes me think they probably were planning a live release with her from the tour. They also don't go into too much detail about the break but say there had been many issues going into the tour and it seems like whatever disease she had and the fact they played without her did not seem to be the issue since. It would have been nice if she allowed them to use her in the video.

Overall, the entire package of concert video, audio , and documentary makes it really good overall.

Out of the three Blu ray concerts I got this month( DT and Epic a) I would say this is the worst of the three but still pretty good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2013, 10:56:57 AM
Out of the three Blu ray concerts I got this month( DT and Epic a) I would say this is the worst of the three but still pretty good.

Same here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 16, 2013, 11:04:38 AM
This is my 3rd best of the year.

The documentary is really excellent, and this tour deserved to be. It has great insight into all the happenings on the tour and gives me an idea of how it works behind the scenes, I'm glad they did the alternative instead of cancelling. Also,  Tuomas is tired pf Wishmaster, so don't think we'll hear that song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 16, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
This is my 3rd best of the year.

The documentary is really excellent, and this tour deserved to be. It has great insight into all the happenings on the tour and gives me an idea of how it works behind the scenes, I'm glad they did the alternative instead of cancelling. Also,  Tuomas is tired pf Wishmaster, so don't think we'll hear that song.

Yea I was upset when he said it because I enjoy that song bit they did play it with Floor so maybe its not done forever.

Also definitely agree that I am glad they didn't cancel the tour, not sure where the band would be now if they cancelled.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: NunoTenniscourt on December 16, 2013, 05:32:27 PM

I am loving the new DVD, myself. It only confirms my belief that Floor is what they've needed all along, and I say that as a big fan of the Tarja era.
Floor is simply a total package and brings a little something extra that neither Tarja or Anette brought.

However, I think they need to take advantage of what they have now, and perhaps stray just a bit from the formula they've relied on in the last ten years.
I think if they continue with the grandiose orchestral approach (strings, tinkling piano/music box riffs in D minor, chugging guitar, gothic choral chants, etc.) they just might
become the AC/DC of their genre.

It would be nice to hear Emppu stand out a bit more in the equation. I think he's a lot better than people give him credit for. I think he has shown a fairly good sense of melody in his soloing. Rhythmically, I would just like to hear him do more than chugging power chords. I think there's a good chance he's capable, but it's likely a matter of him being given the freedom to explore.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: adace on December 17, 2013, 02:08:22 PM
New Anette Olzon song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQI0zaRdA5A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQI0zaRdA5A)

She still sounds great. Looking forward to her album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on December 17, 2013, 04:38:19 PM
That's actually a very nice song. Even in their last album with her I didn't feel like NW wrote music for her voice/style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 24, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
Listened to Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum again tonight. I think Imaginaerum really should soundly beat DPP, but the last bit of Song Of Myself just kills it, especially when it has to be compared to the greatness of The Poet And The Pendulum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 24, 2014, 08:38:49 PM
What? That completes the album and the entire concept.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 24, 2014, 08:46:23 PM
I don't like it. Spoken word can be good (see Tom Waits, or Ulver's Stone Angels), but this is just painful to listen to. I change tracks around 6 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 24, 2014, 08:59:52 PM
I don't like it. Spoken word can be good (see Tom Waits, or Ulver's Stone Angels), but this is just painful to listen to. I change tracks around 6 minutes or so.
Ditto except scratch out Stone Angels. I don't care for that one either.  :lol

I doesn't help that Song of Myself goes on and on and on.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 24, 2014, 09:07:29 PM
For some reason I love Stone Angels. It's very relaxing, I usually put it on if I'm doing homework or something like that. Or just when I want to listen to it. :P
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2014, 07:20:13 AM
I don't care for the spoken word either but being that it's the end, it really doesn't bother me at all and has no impact on my opinions of the music on the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 29, 2014, 12:49:57 PM
Listened to Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum again tonight. I think Imaginaerum really should soundly beat DPP, but the last bit of Song Of Myself just kills it, especially when it has to be compared to the greatness of The Poet And The Pendulum.

IMO, Imaginaerum completely slays DPP.  The only songs I much care for from DPP are The Cadence of Her Last Breath, Amaranthe, Sahara, The Islander, and 7 Days To The Wolves, and truth be told, I wouldn't be heartbroken if I never heard those tunes again.  The rest of the album is VERY forgettable to me--especially Tuomas' "woe is me, for I am Tuomas" and "Tarja, I hate you because I love you so much" suite (the just awful TPATP, Bye Bye Beautiful, and Master Passion Greed).

The only song I actively dislike on Imaginaerum is Song of Myself.  From Storytime through Arabesque, it is a VERY strong album.  The next three songs aren't bad at all.  And then Last Ride of the Day really brings the energy back up.  I generally like to just pretent that that is the final song.  Concept aside, the album is musically a lot stronger that way without Song of Myself dragging it down.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on January 29, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
I listened to the live show version of Ghost Love Score and I think it's different from the video they first released. Am I imagining things or is this actually the case?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 29, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
Listened to Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum again tonight. I think Imaginaerum really should soundly beat DPP, but the last bit of Song Of Myself just kills it, especially when it has to be compared to the greatness of The Poet And The Pendulum.

IMO, Imaginaerum completely slays DPP.  The only songs I much care for from DPP are The Cadence of Her Last Breath, Amaranthe, Sahara, The Islander, and 7 Days To The Wolves, and truth be told, I wouldn't be heartbroken if I never heard those tunes again.  The rest of the album is VERY forgettable to me--especially Tuomas' "woe is me, for I am Tuomas" and "Tarja, I hate you because I love you so much" suite (the just awful TPATP, Bye Bye Beautiful, and Master Passion Greed).

The only song I actively dislike on Imaginaerum is Song of Myself.  From Storytime through Arabesque, it is a VERY strong album.  The next three songs aren't bad at all.  And then Last Ride of the Day really brings the energy back up.  I generally like to just pretent that that is the final song.  Concept aside, the album is musically a lot stronger that way without Song of Myself dragging it down.

Eh, I'm not really a lyrics guy, and I'm pretty used to Tuomas's outlook by now. :lol

Interestingly, two of the three you mentioned are among my favorites from the record (The Poet And The Pendulum and Master Passion Greed).

Even with Song Of Myself dragging it down. though, Imaginaerum is still really close. I think Anette sounds more comfortable on the songs, plus it's fairly diverse (Slow, Love Slow and Scaretale). Overall, though, Dark Passion Play still takes it for me.

Also, despite some initial negative feelings as a result of the nature of Anette's departure (I really liked Anette :sad:), I'm really looking forward to what the band can do with Floor.

This post is kind of disjointed, but whatevs, I don't even care. :p
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
I listened to the live show version of Ghost Love Score and I think it's different from the video they first released. Am I imagining things or is this actually the case?

The DVD has two different videos of GLS, one from the main concert and a bonus video from Buenos Aires
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 29, 2014, 01:34:03 PM
I felt that Anette was not a great choice for the band, but I agree that she sounds more comfortable on the second album.  Right after DPP came out, my reaction was along the lines of, "She's not bad, but I really want to hear the next album so that I can hear her on songs that are written with her voice in mind."  The vocals are good on DPP, but a problem with them is that they were all written before she joined the band, so the parts were not written with her voice in mind.  She still did a really good job in studio, but Imaginaerum is more tailored to play to her strengths.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 29, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
I still insist that, with literally thousands of demos they've been sent back then, they probably had far better choices than her. She's a decent singer, but with literally every female singer that's into metal simultaneously being into Nightwish back then - that's a huge pool of names both known and unknown. I really don't get what was so special about her.

Still, if they wanted to fire her, they should have fired her right as she was showing signs of severe difficulties on tour. Firing her in the middle of her pregnancy is a pretty crappy move, and I don't care what she said to them or on her blog that might've provoked them to completely cut the ties as opposed to just hiring a substitute as they allegedly agreed. It's a matter of their word against hers, and even though they count the fans are on their side because 99% of fans prefers Floor to Anette, this is still the band that fired Tarja in a really fucking nasty way for basically trusting and valuing her manager husband over the four of them goofs and not wanting to have the same tour lifestyle with them as she did when she was 20. What a shocker that a grown woman that takes care of her mind and body and voice should do that.

Officially apologizing for calling pregnancy bad luck, but it's a shitload of bad luck she was pregnant during tour though... she could have had like three more children in the long yawny periods while Nightwish wasn't doing anything, but she got pregnant as soon as they went out on tour  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 29, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
They may have had demos from more technically impressive female singers, but honestly, in a world stuffed to the brim with operatic vocalists, I really liked her more straight forward approach, because I honestly never cared for them when Tarja was in the band.

Floor will be good, I think, because she can do the operatic stuff, but she's got some grit to her voice as well. Actually, they really should have gotten Ida from Triosphere. That would have been amazing (though she's probably better suited where she is).

The firing of Anette almost soured me on the band. Basically where I am now is, I think Tuomas is a bit of an egocentric jerk, but I still like his music, so whatever. :P 

Also, Marco's awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on January 29, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Ida's voice would have been totally unsuited to Nightwish.  I love her voice (maybe even as much as Floor these days), but that's not the right sound for Nightwish.  Simone could've been it, but Epica's a big act too, so I doubt she even would've wanted to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 29, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
Yeah, she wouldn't be well-suited, I was just thinking of female singers who are more "metal" and she was the first one that came to mind.

I should see if Triosphere have a new album out....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
Maybe I am mis or un-informed, but I was not aware Annette was pregnant when she was fired. 

I do agree that Toumas does come off as kind of a jerk with the way both singers were fired.

I still love Nightwish, because at the end of the day, the music fuckin slays!  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 29, 2014, 04:11:51 PM
I do agree that Toumas does come off as kind of a jerk with the way both singers were fired.

He does, indeed.  But have you listened to Showtime, Storytime?  Marco's introductory comments before Romanticide may be the most inappropriate comments ever made by a band member onstage.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2014, 04:25:06 PM
I do agree that Toumas does come off as kind of a jerk with the way both singers were fired.

He does, indeed.  But have you listened to Showtime, Storytime?  Marco's introductory comments before Romanticide may be the most inappropriate comments ever made by a band member onstage.

haha.  Yes, I know what you are talking about.  He does admit it is in bad taste.  I specifically showed that to a friend just to hear him say "I love sausages!" That cracks me up everytime.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: PolarizeMe on January 29, 2014, 09:17:21 PM
Maybe I am mis or un-informed, but I was not aware Annette was pregnant when she was fired. 

Annette never revealed her pregnancy until AFTER she left the band. In fact, I believe she first revealed her pregnancy in her blog in January last year, three months after she left.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 30, 2014, 03:09:55 AM
Yeah, but she told the band before they kicked her out. I don't remember whether it was days or weeks, but they knew.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2014, 05:28:43 AM
Was that the reason she 2ent to the hospital and missed the show?

From the documentary on the DVD, they didn't talk at all about the reasons she was fired other than saying things were building up to the point where they had to make that decision.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 30, 2014, 06:35:58 AM
Well even if her health problems weren't caused by the pregnancy itself (I can't remember exactly what it was so I don't wanna guess), they were probably amplified by it, or the situation required extra care. Which is why I'm even more baffled by the situation and the fact that most Nightwish fans rolled with it, even encouraged it ("atta boys she was dragging you down"); she was in a hospital like a few weeks before, she had two children and another one on the way, that's like the worst possible time you can tell someone they're out of the band and that's simply inexcusable, even if she demanded they cancelled shows she couldn't attend, they easily could have reasoned with her. In their counter-statement, they said that "this "one woman vs. the Neanderthals" setting is an easy to way to take advantage of our media history", but they DO have that media history that speaks to her favor, and it's easy to come off as Neanderthals when you're ending your official statements with this:

"Doing the laundry is tiring. Remember the help your ladies with that occasionally." completely unbelievable :facepalm:

for those who don't know what I'm talking about, read:
https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3305-anette-olzon/page-6#entry206687
https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3305-anette-olzon/page-5#entry206672
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2014, 06:45:30 AM
That IS shocking.


What are you doing at another band's forum!?!?!?  :neverusethis:

Frankly, I have no time for Tuomas' antics, and never have since the way he/they fired Tarja, then made a public display of it.  I'm not a Tarja fanboi by any stretch, and it was clear they both needed to break from each other.  But the way that Tuomas/the band did it was classless.  When I watch End of an Era, you can see on more than one occasions the look on his face is "this will all be over for you soon".

It's a good thing he can write damn good music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2014, 06:55:09 AM
^That about sums it up for me as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 30, 2014, 09:42:51 AM
Well I've been listening almost non stop to Nightwish's back catalogue since Showtime, Storytime came out and Fuck do I LOVE Dark Passion Play! Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. Not at all a big fan of Annette's voice, but on that album she definitely kills it. Also, I love Slow Love Slow on Imaginaerium, really suits her voice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."  I still consider it the worst thing they have ever written, by a HUGE margin.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 30, 2014, 10:06:32 AM
:bosk1:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on January 30, 2014, 10:38:46 AM
Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."  I still consider it the worst thing they have ever written, by a HUGE margin.

I'm not familiar enough with their back catalogue, but out of the albums I'm familiar with (Century Child, Once, DPP, Imaginaerum, I also own their debut, but haven't listened to it a lot), I think DPP is by far the weakest, and The Poet And The Pendulum is one of my least favourites.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2014, 10:56:40 AM
Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."

Without a doubt.  I don't have a problem with PatP, but have it programmed to end at the 10 minute mark.  Can't stand the outro.  DPP as a whole is mediocre when compared with their other works.

Century Child is the best them
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 30, 2014, 11:17:24 AM
Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."  I still consider it the worst thing they have ever written, by a HUGE margin.
Agreed. And I found early on that I liked DPP MUCH better if I just skipped that fragmented monstrosity of a song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on January 30, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
I will never understand the haters for Poet & The Pendulum. Definitely my 2nd favorite song by them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 30, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
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Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on January 30, 2014, 12:21:06 PM
\o

o/
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2014, 12:34:27 PM
The first half of PatP is amazing and the second half is terrible making it a mediocre song for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on January 30, 2014, 01:10:03 PM
The only part I don't really care for is the calm section after the second chorus with the high-pitched little boy on vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
The only part I don't really care for is the calm section after the second chorus with the high-pitched little boy on vocals.

Yea that part is pretty bad and makes no sense to me, but I also really dislike Marco's vocals in this song too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 30, 2014, 03:05:09 PM
SECOND ROBBER TO THE RIGHT OF CHRIST
CUT IN HALF, INFANTICIDE
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on January 31, 2014, 09:30:55 AM
So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2014, 01:42:10 PM
So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4

I wanted to give a listen but didn't realize it was publicly available yet. It'll have to wait till I get home from work.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 31, 2014, 01:47:51 PM
So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4
A concept album about Scrooge? Sorry dude, but unless you're Trans-Siberian Orchestra, that's pretty lolworthy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on January 31, 2014, 02:11:27 PM
So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4
A concept album about Scrooge? Sorry dude, but unless you're Trans-Siberian Orchestra, that's pretty lolworthy.
It's fairly lol-worthy even with TSO.

Besides, the fact that it's about Scrooge McDuck would surely suggest that it is not meant to be super serious.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on January 31, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
That might be the silliest concept album premise ever, but that song was pretty good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 31, 2014, 02:24:39 PM
Maybe by writing about Scrooge Tuomus is actually writing about himself?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 31, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4
A concept album about Scrooge? Sorry dude, but unless you're Trans-Siberian Orchestra, that's pretty lolworthy.
Besides, the fact that it's about Scrooge McDuck would surely suggest that it is not meant to be super serious.
The fact that Tuomas is writing it surely suggests he is 100% serious. We are talking about a man who wrote an "opus about his life" containing the following verse:

"Today, in the year of our Lord, 2005
Tuomas was called from the cares of the world
He stopped crying at the end of each beautiful day.
The music he wrote had too long been without silence.
He was found naked and dead,
With a smile in his face, a pen and 1000 pages of erased text."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on January 31, 2014, 02:39:15 PM
The woman singing on that song (Johanna Kurkela) is a pretty popular artist in Finland and she's reported to be Tuomas' girlfriend.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 31, 2014, 02:46:33 PM
Tuomas increasingly strikes me as the type of guy who pretends to be tortured and deep for the sole purpose of impressing naive teenage girls.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 31, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
I get the impression that he actually thinks he is tortured and deep.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on January 31, 2014, 08:04:08 PM
Yeah yeah, Tuomas is pretty crazy and all that, but I love that song, regardless of the crazy concept.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: PolarizeMe on January 31, 2014, 09:44:28 PM
Yeah I like the song as well. The concept of writing about Scrooge McDuck's a weird one, but if it's done well it shouldn't matter. Speaking of Tuomas, I found this picture allegedly from the first show with Floor. I'm not sure if anyone shared this here yet but in the context with the rest of the band, his is pretty hilarious IMO.
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/82575745/Nightwish%2B%2Bwith%2BFloor%2BSeattle%2B2.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 05, 2014, 06:34:23 AM
He was scared shitless during those first gigs with Floor. He even confesses so in the documentary on the last dvd....I love him as a composer though...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 05, 2014, 07:46:19 AM
He was scared shitless during those first gigs with Floor. He even confesses so in the documentary on the last dvd....

???  Why?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 05, 2014, 07:47:06 AM
Yeah I like the song as well. The concept of writing about Scrooge McDuck's a weird one, but if it's done well it shouldn't matter. Speaking of Tuomas, I found this picture allegedly from the first show with Floor. I'm not sure if anyone shared this here yet but in the context with the rest of the band, his is pretty hilarious IMO.
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/82575745/Nightwish%2B%2Bwith%2BFloor%2BSeattle%2B2.jpg)

???  What is hilarious about it?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
Yeah, I don't get it. ???
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 05, 2014, 08:21:33 AM
The only one not smiling/laughin?  :-\
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 05, 2014, 08:35:50 AM
Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
The only one not smiling/laughin?  :-\
Isn't that always the case though? He doesn't look particularly grumpy there or anything.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 05, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

holy run-on sentence
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 05, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

Okay...but the reason we aren't laughing is because we don't see anything funny or "hilarious" about that pic.  To me, it looks like as standard a "band at the end of a show" pic as you can get.  What are we supposedly missing?  ???
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on February 05, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
He was scared shitless during those first gigs with Floor. He even confesses so in the documentary on the last dvd....I love him as a composer though...

I was at the first show, and everyone looked pretty darn comfortable and happy to me. So if they were nervous, they hid it well. The guys and Floor shared a "d'oh!" smile with each other when she came in to a song too early. First time I had seen them live, but if you didn't know better, you never would have guessed it was the lead singer's first show with the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 05, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
Official video for 'A lifetime of adventure' featuring Don Rosa himself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwSVOo5K_k&feature=youtu.be&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwSVOo5K_k&feature=youtu.be&hd=1)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 05, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

Okay...but the reason we aren't laughing is because we don't see anything funny or "hilarious" about that pic.  To me, it looks like as standard a "band at the end of a show" pic as you can get.  What are we supposedly missing?  ???
To be honest, maybe it was just only me who found something funny in there. I thought it was funny cause I thought Tuomas looked like he was on the verge of having an emotional breakdown after being traumatized by sacking Anette (hence why that page where I first saw it, posted the picture in the first place). But now that someone said that he was really scared during the first few shows with Floor (I don't have the Showtime, Storytime DVD so I don't know how they really felt), I don't really find what I thought was funny really funny anymore. Anyways, just me being a bit stupid, so carry on.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 06, 2014, 05:47:25 AM
Dude, lighten up. Off course it's funny. He said he was really scared about if the shows would go alright with such a short term replacement, if Floor would hold up (which she did), if the band would deliver,  but especially, would the audiences accept Floor  as the replacement? (which they did, immediately). But I can understand his fears, it´s a multi-million organisation, if that tour would have gone ass-up, he would´ve been responsible (not entirely, but I can understand he feels that way). After about five shows in, he said he relaxed and realised it would all work out fine. And so it did....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 06, 2014, 08:05:13 AM
Link to a recent interview with Tuomas Holopainen.

https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3363-tuomas-holopainen-life-and-times-of-scrooge-interview/ (https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3363-tuomas-holopainen-life-and-times-of-scrooge-interview/)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: adace on March 10, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
samples for Anette's solo album: https://www.7digital.com/artist/anette-olzon/release/shine (https://www.7digital.com/artist/anette-olzon/release/shine)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 02, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
So anyone listen to Anette's solo album yet? It's pretty good, but feels unfinished, like Queensryche's new album. Nice and mellow. Unfortunately she still thinks she's in Nightwish as several of the songs have lyrics about wishes and stuff.

Album's pretty good. Could have used some fleshing out though. 7/10
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 03, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
I havent given the album any listens, but I checked out the single on youtube when it was released and I wasnt crazy about it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: robwebster on April 07, 2014, 02:53:46 PM
Listened to Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum again tonight. I think Imaginaerum really should soundly beat DPP, but the last bit of Song Of Myself just kills it, especially when it has to be compared to the greatness of The Poet And The Pendulum.
I was absolutely loving Imaginaerum first time I listened to it, and I hit Song of Myself and sort of went, "...oh." Really, really poor - the poetry is terrible, incredibly cringey, and it never stops.

I think I might have only listened to it the once - when I ripped the album to my computer, I stopped with Last Ride of the Day. It's even an appropriate name for an ending track. But it's just occurred to me, there's an instrumental disc! I can edit out the amateur poetry! So I've ripped Song of Myself onto my computer - the vocal and instrumental versions - and that's my project for tonight. Excellent.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 07, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
I actually enjoy the poetry part. And love the song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 04:52:09 PM
I actually enjoy the poetry part. And love the song.

I cant listen to it. Album ends once the song ends for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 07, 2014, 04:55:14 PM
Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on April 07, 2014, 06:43:58 PM
Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

I was thinking that the other day - I played the original Imaginaerum for the first time in ages (after having Showtime , Storytime on rotation for a while) and in comparison it sounded like a cover by the Chipmunks.  Floor's power really took those songs up a notch.  I believe they've said they won't do it but I'd love to see a best of disc of re-records as a bonus with the next album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on April 07, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

I was thinking that the other day - I played the original Imaginaerum for the first time in ages (after having Showtime , Storytime on rotation for a while) and in comparison it sounded like a cover by the Chipmunks.  Floor's power really took those songs up a notch.  I believe they've said they won't do it but I'd love to see a best of disc of re-records as a bonus with the next album.

They'd only need to re-record from two albums though!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 07, 2014, 08:22:00 PM
I can get along with the Song of Myself poetry part well enough. Some of the poetry is not very good, but some of it is. The first part, with all the guilt-tripping and stuff ("...I see a starving dog in a pungent alley..."), is not very good imo. I really like the middle section for the most part, with the "Beyond all mortality we are" and stuff, though I think "While violated and imprisoned by technology" is gratuitous and personally disagreeable to me. The rest of it is hit and miss, with some good stuff and some bad stuff, with nothing exceptionally great or awful, except that I love the last line. Personally, I think the backing music is good enough to redeem the bad parts, and the first half of the song is utterlybrilliant, so...

Maybe someday I'll be bothered to make an edit keeping only the parts I think are good, but for the time being the particular words don't actually bother me enough.

And I'll go so far as to say that Song of Myself is the best song on Imaginaerum and the best song of the Anette era. And that Imaginaerum is right alongside Century Child as Nightwish's best album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 07, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

I was thinking that the other day - I played the original Imaginaerum for the first time in ages (after having Showtime , Storytime on rotation for a while) and in comparison it sounded like a cover by the Chipmunks.  Floor's power really took those songs up a notch.  I believe they've said they won't do it but I'd love to see a best of disc of re-records as a bonus with the next album.

They'd only need to re-record from two albums though!

If she didn't already, Annette would certainly get her tattoo removed after they did that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 09:46:59 PM
While I loved Floor's performance on the DVD, I thought her weakest were the songs from Imaginaerium, specifically Storytime and Ghost River.  I prefer Annette on those.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 08, 2014, 08:35:09 PM
I think on the Imaginaerum tracks it tends to be a toss-up for me as to whether I prefer Floor or Anette. I think it's because the songs were written for Anette but Floor is on the whole a stronger singer, so that makes it close. I would say that on Storytime I definitely prefer Anette and on Song of Myself I definitely prefer Floor, but on the others it's close, though I lean toward Anette on Ghost River and I Want My Tears Back and Floor on Last Ride of the Day.

Meanwhile for the only Dark Passion Play track on there, Amaranth, I definitely prefer Anette. Floor just doesn't quite capture that chorus the way Anette does.

But in any case, love them both. Actually, my main complaint on the sound of the live album is that the orchestral/choral parts are way too quiet. I get that it's a live album and that they want the main focus to be on the band instead of piped in samples, but it's simply the case that on the Once albums forward, those parts are so essential to the compositions that it doesn't sound quite right when they're pushed back. For that reason, I tend to reach for the studio versions even for songs I would prefer to hear with Floor. The songs simply don't sound quite right on the live versions.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 09, 2014, 08:18:11 AM
Meanwhile for the only Dark Passion Play track on there, Amaranth, I definitely prefer Anette. Floor just doesn't quite capture that chorus the way Anette does.

To be fair, in a live setting, I don't think Anette quite captures it either.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 10, 2014, 06:59:20 PM
That's true, and I don't mean a slight to Floor (I love her) by saying it. I mean that I prefer Anette's studio performance to Floor's live performance, while acknowledging of course that it's not a level playing field for any accurate comparison between the singers.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 10, 2014, 08:55:39 PM
Anette just wasn't a very good live singer, IMO.  She was fine for studio work where she could take her time to do multiple takes, and they could layer her, etc.  I thought she was okay on DPP.  Since Imaginaerum was written for her voice, I think she sounded great on that one.  But live, she was lacking. 

Floor has both the voice and the showmanship to really enhance the live show.  No, she is not perfect in a live setting.  But kind like Dickinson, she just rocks and goes for it, and she has such a powerful voice that it's a great show even if the vocals are not flawless.  And in studio, I expect to be blown away next album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 12, 2014, 01:01:52 AM
So, anybody listening to the Scroodge Mcduck thing? I think it is pretty good. It has some very beautiful moments and you can clearly hear some Nightwish here and there. I you like soundtracks and/or Nightwish (and maybe enjoyed the Don Rosa comics) this is definitely worth checking out. Would've like some more Tony Kakko on the album though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on April 12, 2014, 05:15:26 AM
Listened to The Last Sled (I think that's what the song was called), and the lyrics were pretty laughable. Nothing really exciting musically either imo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on April 16, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
The full album is up on YT for the moment anyway.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-fjnnBRw1E

haven't checked it out myself yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2014, 12:27:32 PM
Listened to bits and pieces of it.  Its not really my type of music overall but sounds very similar to orchestral parts of nightwish.  Not bad or anything, in fact parts were really nice music, just like I said, not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 17, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
Anette Olzon - Lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TylGOJJJISI

I just heard that a buddy of mine will be drumming for Anette on her summer tour. Pretty damn cool!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 18, 2014, 03:06:41 AM
So.....  2 months ago someone turned me on to Kamelot.  I REALLY enjoy The Black Halo, Kahn's vocals, and the bands style.  Since then, I've been listening to some other similar new music.  When, I find this band Nightwish.  Man....  I must have been living in a DT cocoon for the last 20 years  :lol  I think I've actually heard of them, just never listened to any of their material....my loss, until now!

I started watching the 2013 Wacken Open Air show on YT a week or so ago and just really love it!  The Band is awesome, but the vocalist is just spectacular.  So, I've been trying to catch up a bit on the bands history, in particular the 3 different vocalists, and really at this point favor Floor.  Now, I've only watched a few vids of Tarja and Annette so I can't really judge objectively just yet.  I'm going to order the Showtime Storytime BR tomorrow.  Then I'll have to start diving into their discography. Awesome find and I look forward to the journey.  By the way... great crowd at Wacken, peeps are really into the band!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 18, 2014, 03:17:41 AM
Enjoy the ride! I only got into NW this year, so you´re not alone!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2014, 05:32:02 AM
So.....  2 months ago someone turned me on to Kamelot.  I REALLY enjoy The Black Halo, Kahn's vocals, and the bands style.  Since then, I've been listening to some other similar new music.  When, I find this band Nightwish.  Man....  I must have been living in a DT cocoon for the last 20 years  :lol  I think I've actually heard of them, just never listened to any of their material....my loss, until now!

I started watching the 2013 Wacken Open Air show on YT a week or so ago and just really love it!  The Band is awesome, but the vocalist is just spectacular.  So, I've been trying to catch up a bit on the bands history, in particular the 3 different vocalists, and really at this point favor Floor.  Now, I've only watched a few vids of Tarja and Annette so I can't really judge objectively just yet.  I'm going to order the Showtime Storytime BR tomorrow.  Then I'll have to start diving into their discography. Awesome find and I look forward to the journey.  By the way... great crowd at Wacken, peeps are really into the band!

Welcome aboard Greg.  The early albums from Tarja are truly operatic in nature as far as the vocal style goes.  Her last two albums are the best, showing a lot more power and range from her.  With respect to those two albums, my standard line is that Once is great, but Century Child is the best them.  Annette's voice is more melodic in nature, she doesn't have the capabilities that Tarja did.  Coupled with the fact that Dark Passion Play was written before they chose Annette to replace Tarja, the vocal melodies weren't written with her style in mind, so she had to adapt.  It's arguably one of their weaker albums, though it does have a few bright spots.  Floor absolutely combines the best qualities from both of them - and probably my favorite female voice in prog-metal. 

You want another great live concert with a wild crowd, go check out End of an Era.

They've got quite a storied (and dramatic) history when it comes to their vocalists.  I'm so looking forward to a studio album from them with Floor.  :drool:

Oh, and then there's this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnVFJFmFx8
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2014, 08:20:14 AM
Welcome aboard Greg.  The early albums from Tarja are truly operatic in nature as far as the vocal style goes.  Her last two albums are the best, showing a lot more power and range from her.  With respect to those two albums, my standard line is that Once is great, but Century Child is the best them.  Annette's voice is more melodic in nature, she doesn't have the capabilities that Tarja did.  Coupled with the fact that Dark Passion Play was written before they chose Annette to replace Tarja, the vocal melodies weren't written with her style in mind, so she had to adapt.  It's arguably one of their weaker albums, though it does have a few bright spots.  Floor absolutely combines the best qualities from both of them - and probably my favorite female voice in prog-metal. 

You want another great live concert with a wild crowd, go check out End of an Era.

I fully endorse each and every word of this post.  Every.  Word.

Oh, and this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_DOJU1DY10


EDIT:  Oh, and while Wacken is VERY good, this is perhaps the definitive version of Ghost Love Score:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_eoR6r1Tw  The money note at the end...I just about lost it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Yeah... knew that was the Argentina version of Ghost Love Floor before I even clicked it.  That is a great version, and comes with the Wacken DVD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Yeah... knew that was the Argentina version of Ghost Love Floor before I even clicked it.  That is a great version, and comes with the Wacken DVD.

Oh, really?  Somehow, I never realized that.  Shows how busy I have been.  :lol  I have watched the main show a few times, but have not looked at anything else on that DVD at all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 18, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
Floor floored me in that video. #Overdonejoke


She's one of the best female metal vocalists out there (if not, the best). She's what Nightwish deserved all along, from the time they departed ways with Tarja.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
Yeah... knew that was the Argentina version of Ghost Love Floor before I even clicked it.  That is a great version, and comes with the Wacken DVD.

Oh, really?  Somehow, I never realized that.  Shows how busy I have been.  :lol  I have watched the main show a few times, but have not looked at anything else on that DVD at all.

Theres a really long documentary as a bonus as well.  Worth watching.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2014, 09:52:31 AM
Floor floored me in that video. #Overdonejoke

She's one of the best female metal vocalists out there (if not, the best). She's what Nightwish deserved all along, from the time they departed ways with Tarja.

The best thing about getting her in the band is her versatility.  She can sing anything in their catalog well, and probably anything Tuomas would want to write. 

Theres a really long documentary as a bonus as well.  Worth watching.

I will have to make some time for that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2014, 10:45:26 AM
Theres a really long documentary as a bonus as well.  Worth watching.

I bought the digital version of the concert, so I don't know what documentary is on the DVD, but stumbled across a Finnish spken/English subtitle one that follows them all throughout the tour on YT.  Is that the one you mean?  Very interesting stuff if so. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on June 18, 2014, 12:06:34 PM
Personally I didn't find the Showtime, Storytime documentary to be that interesting beyond the first twenty-or-so minutes when they talked about replacing Anette. I don't actually think I saw it all the way to the end, but I just didn't see much of interest in there. Maybe it's just me.

But the actual concert is amazing; I've seen it maybe three times now. And I am absolutely in love with the now-famous Ghost Love Floor bonus video.

As for albums, I'll second jingle.boy's statement that Century Child is the best and that End of an Era is fantastic. I will also say that the latest album, Imaginaerum, is my other favorite. I also agree that Dark Passion Play is one of the weaker ones, but it's still a solid album that can be really good if I'm in the proper mood for it.

Since we are indeed on DTF, anyone up for album rankings?

Century Child
Imaginaerum
Wishmaster
Once
Dark Passion Play
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First


But a lot are really close and everything is spectacular.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2014, 12:10:53 PM
I've bought Imaginaerum a year ago and Showtime, Storytime like a half-year ago and ironically I still haven't listened to either. I need to fix that as soon as possible.

End of an Era is one great DVD, and both Once and Century Child are impeccable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Okay...  bosk's ranking:
1.  Century Child:  This is the album that got me hooked on Nightwish.  It holds a special place in my heart despite that Once might actually be just a hair stronger.
2.  Once:  A VERY close second. 
3.  Imaginaerum:  Too bad Anette just isn't a very good live singer, because she does some REALLY good work on this album.  I do not find it as consistently good as the top 2, but it has some VERY strong moments.
4.  Some combo of Oceanborn, Wishmaster, and Angels Fall First (see below).
5.  Dark Passion Play:  Some good moments, but overall, a weak album.  Part of it is that Anette seems very vanilla, but that is really not her fault, as the album was not written with her voice and style in mind.  But aside from her, the album just is not that great. 

Unranked:  I do not have Angels, and never really took the time to listen to Wishmaster or Oceanborn much.  I would put them ahead of DPP, but since I cannot really recall as much from them as I would like, I cannot really put them in the ranking.



As far as the live albums:
-End of an Era is spectacular.  You would hardly guess that both Tarja and Marco were so under the weather.
-Showtime/Storytime is very good.  The performance is really good, and the audience is really into it.  My only critiques are:  (1) Floor is a bit tentative, which is understandable.  She still sounds great, but I think she was perhaps playing it a bit safe and had not yet really developed enough of a connection with some of the songs to make them her own.  (2) The set list is good, but I would have loved a DVD from this tour that featured the entire album as more of a production.  It is, in essence, somewhat of a "concept album," so it would have been great to get the entire thing done up in style.  Also, another minor criticism is, the stage banter is SO awkward and bad.  :lol  For example, "I want my tears back" is a clever and evocative lyric and songtitle.  Introducing it with "alright guys, keep your eyeballs wet, because the tax collector is comin'!" is neither. 

I also was able to procure a bootleg of the Lowlands show from, I think, 2007 or so.  Not as flashy, but it is a REALLY solid performance from the Once era.  And the fact that it was pro shot makes it a lot more enjoyable to watch than the typical video bootleg.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
The first three albums only get sporadic play from me.  I just find Tarja isn't diverse enough to capture my interest for very long.  There are a couple of standout tracks, but by-and-large, I don't go to them very often.  Might have to give them a spin today just to see.

the documentary I watched was titled "Please Learn the Setlist in 48 hours".  It's 2 hours in Finnish, but was very interesting.  Starts of with the firing of Annette, then follows them for the remainder of the tour, up to the filming at Wacken.

-End of an Era is spectacular.  You would hardly guess that both Tarja and Marco were so under the weather.

And you'd hardly guess that the guys had already 'fired' Tarja, just hadn't told her.  Although, Tuomas has a certain look in his eyes a few times that you can tell exactly that he's thinking 'you're gonna get yours after the show'. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2014, 12:39:21 PM
And you'd hardly guess that the guys had already 'fired' Tarja, just hadn't told her.  Although, Tuomas has a certain look in his eyes a few times that you can tell exactly that he's thinking 'you're gonna get yours after the show'. 

Yeah, there are some very telling looks from Tuomas during the show.  And of course I have no idea what was on his mind at any given moment, but there are also some times where he appears to be feeling doubt/regret over what is about to occur.  But hard to say.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2014, 12:50:17 PM
And you'd hardly guess that the guys had already 'fired' Tarja, just hadn't told her.  Although, Tuomas has a certain look in his eyes a few times that you can tell exactly that he's thinking 'you're gonna get yours after the show'. 

Yeah, there are some very telling looks from Tuomas during the show.  And of course I have no idea what was on his mind at any given moment, but there are also some times where he appears to be feeling doubt/regret over what is about to occur.  But hard to say.

True
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on June 18, 2014, 12:53:18 PM
The first three albums only get sporadic play from me.  I just find Tarja isn't diverse enough to capture my interest for very long.  There are a couple of standout tracks, but by-and-large, I don't go to them very often.  Might have to give them a spin today just to see.

I somewhat feel that way about Oceanborn. I like a lot of the songs, but there's very little diversity on the album which makes it somewhat less interesting on the whole. Angels Fall First is more diverse which can make it more interesting, but it falls below Oceanborn for me because the songwriting is significantly weaker on Angels. Wishmaster, to me, has the strongest songwriting of the three despite a few weaker songs (Wanderlust and Crownless, to me, but Oceanborn has Sacrament of Wilderness which is just as forgettable and doesn't have anything at the level of Dead Boy's Poem or FantasMic).

To me there's no question that the band stepped it up on Century Child and has maintained a good combination of strong songwriting and diversity ever since (Dark Passion Play was a dip in songwriting quality but not by too much, plus it has some truly excellent tracks—namely the memorable bookends to the album that are The Poet and the Pendulum and Meadows of Heaven). Imaginaerum was a new height in this regard, in my opinion, as it has a lot of songs that are well outside the norm for Nightwish (could anyone have seen Slow, Love, Slow coming?), and the songs that were more conventional were stellar (Storytime).

However, I still think the pre-Century Child era is still very good and quite worth investigation—and I don't even like power metal. Songs like Angels Fall First, Stargazers, Gethsemane, Swanheart, Walking in the Air (yeah it's a cover, but still), Sleeping Sun, She Is My Sin, Wishmaster, Dead Boy's Poem or FantasMic alone would propel any band who had them in their discography to "noteworthy" status, and just the very existence of Century Child and Ghost Love Score, to say nothing of a lot of other really great material, on top of that is easily enough to make Nightwish great.

the documentary I watched was titled "Please Learn the Setlist in 48 hours".  It's 2 hours in Finnish, but was very interesting.  Starts of with the firing of Annette, then follows them for the remainder of the tour, up to the filming at Wacken.

That's the one that's in the DVD. I think I may have gotten bored during the "follows them for the remainder of the tour part" and shut it off before getting to the Wacken part. But the first part, from the beginning to Floor's first performance with the band, was very interesting.

-End of an Era is spectacular.  You would hardly guess that both Tarja and Marco were so under the weather.

And you'd hardly guess that the guys had already 'fired' Tarja, just hadn't told her.  Although, Tuomas has a certain look in his eyes a few times that you can tell exactly that he's thinking 'you're gonna get yours after the show'.

One could speculate that this is also why he cries during the intro to Ever Dream.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 18, 2014, 01:07:43 PM
And you'd hardly guess that the guys had already 'fired' Tarja, just hadn't told her.  Although, Tuomas has a certain look in his eyes a few times that you can tell exactly that he's thinking 'you're gonna get yours after the show'. 

Yeah, there are some very telling looks from Tuomas during the show.  And of course I have no idea what was on his mind at any given moment, but there are also some times where he appears to be feeling doubt/regret over what is about to occur.  But hard to say.

Like the beginning of phantom,  he has that. Damn, I might never get to play this again.
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Post by: aprilethereal on June 19, 2014, 01:06:01 AM
Once is the only Nightwish album I'd call amazing. I enjoyed all the other ones a lot for some time (except for Angels Fall First and Wishmaster which I haven't heard yet, and DPP which is really bland and boring in my opinion), but if there is one album by them I go back to regularly and that has no weak spots, it's Once for me :2metal:
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Post by: gazinwales on June 19, 2014, 04:30:12 AM
Once for me, is NW at their absolute peak, where everything comes together and gels perfectly.
The other 2 that are special for me as AFF, I remember being totally stunned when I first heard, nothing like it had ever been heard.
Then Oceanborn, was a killer follow up, as much as love Once, OB is still my fave NW album and I doubt will ever be beaten.
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on June 19, 2014, 06:19:24 AM
OB is still my fave NW album and I doubt will ever be beaten.

With Floor in the band now, I believe they have the potential to surpass anything they've done before. I believe Tuomas is very inspired and eager to make a big point with their next album.

I haven't been this eager to hear a new release from a band or artist in quite a long time. So, I hope it delivers.
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 19, 2014, 06:32:45 AM
OB is still my fave NW album and I doubt will ever be beaten.

With Floor in the band now, I believe they have the potential to surpass anything they've done before. I believe Tuomas is very inspired and eager to make a big point with their next album.

I haven't been this eager to hear a new release from a band or artist in quite a long time. So, I hope it delivers.

:iagree:
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Post by: 425 on June 19, 2014, 06:55:47 AM
See, I'm not as in love with Once as a lot of people seem to be. It's a fantastic album, but I don't think it's nearly as consistently great as Century Child or Imaginaerum. I think it has some great songs, yes (Dark Chest of Wonders, Ghost Love Score, Higher Than Hope), but also some songs that are more on the weak side by Nightwish standards (Wish I Had An Angel, Dead Gardens, Planet Hell [I know, I know, I'm in the minority on this one], plus Creek Mary's Blood which is very good in the beginning but long overstays its welcome). Plus, I think Once has some of Tuomas's worst lyrics (leaving aside of course Nymphomaniac Fantasia). True, it also has some of his best in songs like Ghost Love Score, Higher Than Hope and Dark Chest of Wonders; but I really just do not like the lyrics of Planet Hell or Creek Mary's Blood at all. And The Siren has an undoubtedly cool lyrical concept but it's simply not as emotionally evocative as most of Nightwish's songs. It's still a very good album, but, personally, I can't get along with the idea of it being their high point. And I certainly have a hard time seeing it as better than Century Child.
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 19, 2014, 07:26:54 AM
I certainly have a hard time seeing it as better than Century Child.

It's not, but it's great.  I think Planet Hell's lyrics are great... mind you, I'm always a sucker for any fantasy/mythology themed lyrics.
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Post by: 425 on June 19, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
I don't think it has bad lyrics, and looking at them again, I'd say my previous phrasing was too strong—I don't even think I'd say I dislike them—but I'm not a fan of the overall message of "mankind has doomed itself, the world is ending." I think a more accurate descriptor of my feelings towards them is ambivalence, which is bad by Nightwish standards because I tend to enjoy Tuomas's lyrics a great deal. Creek Mary's Blood is the bigger culprit on the album for me lyrically, because to me it feels like it means to evoke a sense of guilt for a crime that no one who is alive is guilty of committing. It seems overly and wrongfully accusatory to me in tone, and perhaps because of the subject matter of Planet Hell and its place on the album right nest to Creek Mary's Blood, I conflated that feeling that I got from Creek Mary's Blood with it as well.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
Once is my favorite, then its close between Century Child and Wishmaster.  Imaginearium after those.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 19, 2014, 02:18:57 PM
I'm a long time fan of Floor's voice (After Forever and ReVamp) and I have seen her live with NW, yet I am not thoroughly convinced that she is the right voice for NW.
I do hope she proves me wrong with the next album.
Imaginarium is my least played and fave from NW, so I hope the new material is more inspiring.
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Post by: Zook on June 19, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
Once and Century Child have a few duds, but Imaginaerum is flawless.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2014, 03:08:36 PM
I don't think it has bad lyrics, and looking at them again, I'd say my previous phrasing was too strong—I don't even think I'd say I dislike them—but I'm not a fan of the overall message of "mankind has doomed itself, the world is ending." I think a more accurate descriptor of my feelings towards them is ambivalence, which is bad by Nightwish standards because I tend to enjoy Tuomas's lyrics a great deal. Creek Mary's Blood is the bigger culprit on the album for me lyrically, because to me it feels like it means to evoke a sense of guilt for a crime that no one who is alive is guilty of committing. It seems overly and wrongfully accusatory to me in tone, and perhaps because of the subject matter of Planet Hell and its place on the album right nest to Creek Mary's Blood, I conflated that feeling that I got from Creek Mary's Blood with it as well.

I hear you.  I find Tuomas' lyrics to often be overly pretentious and just not very good as it is.  But since they aren't blatantly offensive to me, I just largely ignore that because I can still find lots of enjoyment in the music and vocal melodies, and a lot of the lyrics are just fine, so it works out. 

And, yes, I agree wholeheartedly about Creek Mary's Blood.  What you said, plus the fact that he is not an American or an American Indian, so he is therefore not an ancestor of either the perpetrators or victims of the wrongs that the song is about, which leaves me feeling a bit like...well...like it's not really any of his business.  I mean, not that you cannot write about social injustices that you yourself are not directly connected to.  If you are moved by something enough to want to write about it, have at it.  But it is that fact, combined with, as you said, a sense of trying to evoke a sense of guilt for a crime that no one who is alive is guilty of committing that leaves me a bit cold.  Contrast that with, for example, Chuck Billy's lyrics on Trail of Tears, which is much more genuine to me.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2014, 03:49:46 PM
I really love Cold Creak Marys Blood, the performance on End of an Era is great too, love the Native American (dont know his name off the top of my head).  I never really looked too far into the lyrics in terms of who wrote them and how it correlates to the meaning of the song.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 20, 2014, 10:21:14 PM
The native Indian is John Two Hawks.
I guess if the lyrics/song wasnt authentic,  then he wouldn't have performed on the album or live.

I played Wishmaster in the car for the first time in years, it sounds great & perhaps I should rate it a lot higher.
Imaginarium, I will give it another couple of plays.
Dark Passion Play, I really like the songs, some of the orchestratal araangements are amazing.
But, Once still tops the NW charts for me,  and sits in my alltime top 20.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2014, 03:51:32 PM
I also think i read somewhere that they only play the song live when John Two Hawks plays with them
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 22, 2014, 04:29:02 PM
Well, I've had my first week of Nightwish sensory overload  :lol  To say it's a lot to absorb is a gross understatement.  So... me being the new guy to the party, here's my spin on the band, the albums/shows/videos I've listened too and seen, and the 3 very distinct vocalists. I've already seen how passionate fans of the band are, especially with regards to the vocalists, so please don't shoot me.  I'm just a week old fan of the group, and I'm sure my opinions will evolve over time.  This is strictly a virgin, first impression review.

Normally I wouldn't start with live material, but seeing that's how I "found" the band I decided to roll with it that way.  I picked up the Showtime, Storytime blue ray and ...WOW...  what a fantastic show.  The ONLY thing I'd say negative, like some mentioned is the excessive talking and seemingly nervousness of Floor while talking.  Other than that, one of the most enjoyable live performances I think I've seen.  I went back and also watched the Buenos Aires version of Ghost Love Score like Chad and Bosky suggested.  I think Bosky said it best....  when she hits THE note ..... well, if it doesn't emotionally rock you, you probably don't have a soul... :lol  I learned, it's really not a good idea to watch that song while at work with people walking by.

Of course from reading this thread, and tons of stuff this week about the band and it's history, it only seemed prudent that I watch "End of and Era", seeing I'm starting with the live material.   I enjoyed it, but not nearly as much as Showtime.  Tarja for me is fantastic, and talented beyond description.  That being said,  sometimes her style is a bit over the top with the "Operatic" sound for my taste.  Now, I understand THAT aspect is probably what got a lot of folks into the band in the first place.  If I would have heard them back in '04 I probably would have been a little less captivated than I am with Floor's performance and capabilities to be completely honest.

As far as the band, obviously Tuomas is the soul and maestro. He is a very creative and talented musician, song writer, and composer.  Jukka is a solid drummer, Emppu a very good guitar player, not what I'd call spectaular... but I like his concise,  tasty solo's.  Marko is an incredible bassist.  As far as his vocals, I definitly like his earlier recorded stuff compared to the live stuff I saw on Showtime.  One of the duets with Annette on Imaginarium (not sure which one) was really good.  Troy and his pipes add a real interesting sound to the group.  I like the folk twist to some of the material, an interesting fusion for sure!

So for the last couple days I've taken a page from some of the "Roulette" peeps.  I've listened to the top 3 rated studio albums (by consensus that I've read)

Century Child
Once
Imaginarium

I've given them my full undivided attention for one complete uninterrupted listen each. Here's how they fall as of now...

1.  Imaginarium - Just a spectacular album.  Between the 3 albums, this is the most complete, mature, complex, and enjoyable album for me.    I like    Annette's vocals very much on this album, she seems to be a good fit for the material.  The only song that I'm not overly keen on is Scaretale.  Having not seen the Imaginarium movie, I'm guessing it's more of an actual soundtrack number?  Other than that one song...great songs.

2. Once - Excellent album.  Of course I recognize songs from the live performances on all 3 albums, but I really like

Dark Chest Of Wonders
Wish I Had An Angel
Nemo
Planet Hell
Ghost Love Score

3.  Century Child - I'd say this is a good, solid album with a couple outstanding songs. 

Mind you, with everyone having such varied tastes, maybe my favorite will be one of the masses least fav's!  Time will tell!  Anyways... so far it's a FUN ride that I'm really enjoying!  I also look forward to Floor's first studio album.  I think it's going to be fantastic!
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 22, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
Scaretale is probably my favorite track from Imaginaerum.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 22, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
Parts are good, but the middle section with Marko I think it was, kind of lost me. Like I said, it struck me as a soundtrack and I felt like I needed to see the show to appreciate it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 22, 2014, 06:16:10 PM
It's interesting seeing your take as you go on a 'reverse' evolution of the band (vocally speaking)... Floor to Annette to Tarja.  I can totally see Tarja's style being unimpressive and not to one's tastes if it's the appeal of Floor and/or Annette that first attract someone to the band.  Kinda like how I prefer Once and CC to the first three, since Tarja got a little more diverse.  Those that started right from the beginning might not prefer those two albums the way I did.

Anyway, good on ya for going through the catalog.
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Post by: 425 on June 22, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
Glad to hear you've enjoyed it! I haven't seen the Imaginaerum movie myself, but Scaretale certainly sounds very soundtrack-esque. It is well-documented that Tuomas loves Disney movies and their soundtracks, so perhaps Scaretale will at least make more sense to you in the light of that influence? It certainly does for me. Nevertheless, I also regard it as the weakest song on the album and am not a huge fan of the middle part (but the instrumental parts are pretty awesome).

Of course there's no accounting for differences in taste, but I was not overly impressed by Century Child on first brush and now it's my favorite, so it was a grower for me, at least. Maybe it will be for you, too.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 22, 2014, 10:24:44 PM
Century Child was the first Nightwish album I ever listened to. I wouldn't say it's my favorite, but it definitely holds a special place in my heart.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 23, 2014, 03:33:44 AM
Floor has btw stated on her facebookpage that she is moving to Finland over the coming week. Starting a new part of her career.
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on June 24, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
I'm a long time fan of Floor's voice (After Forever and ReVamp) and I have seen her live with NW, yet I am not thoroughly convinced that she is the right voice for NW.

After Tarja left, I didn't think anyone would be a suitable replacement. Anette entered the picture, and I completely gave up on the band. Even as much as I loved Floor, I wasn't sure how she would fit in the band when I heard she was filling in after Anette was canned. However, I'm completely sold now. Stylistically, she does everything I wanted Tarja to do, but didn't.

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Post by: fllnsprrw on June 27, 2014, 07:29:41 PM
I didn't like Nightwish that much when Tarja was the singer. Cared even less about her replacement. But wow! Floor Jansen just brought me back. After watching the Wacken Open Air concert on Youtube, I'm fully sold and converted. I just bought the blu-ray copy and I still cannot stop watching it. This hasn't happened since the first time I discovered Dream Theater...
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 28, 2014, 11:19:37 AM
I didn't like Nightwish that much when Tarja was the singer. Cared even less about her replacement. But wow! Floor Jansen just brought me back. After watching the Wacken Open Air concert on Youtube, I'm fully sold and converted. I just bought the blu-ray copy and I still cannot stop watching it. This hasn't happened since the first time I discovered Dream Theater...

EGGZACTLY!!!!  :metal  I'm right there with ya!  I can't stop watching the Wacken blu ray.
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Post by: ? on June 29, 2014, 03:50:35 AM
According to a news article (in Finnish) (https://yle.fi/uutiset/nightwishin_floor_jansen_yllattaa_muuttamalla_ita-suomeen/7326619), Tuomas confirms that Floor is moving to a town in Eastern Finland called Joensuu. I was expecting her to move to Helsinki, but this way she'll live closer to the guys in the band, so it makes sense. Gotta appreciate her dedication! :tup Learning the language won't be easy, though :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 07, 2014, 05:42:34 AM
New album teaser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgo3y7pc-UE&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgo3y7pc-UE&hd=1)
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 07, 2014, 05:47:14 AM
What a tease... directly from the video description:

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Album teaser trailer for For NIGHTWISH upcomig album.
Music is not from Nightwish's New Album.

This is just a stupid fanclub (in Georgia) blurb, linking to their own FB page.  NO NEW NEWS on nightwish.com about an album.   :angry:
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Post by: cramx3 on July 09, 2014, 09:24:46 AM
Well now its official and here is the official video (from Facebook):

https://youtu.be/BB1IrA8FwrY (https://youtu.be/BB1IrA8FwrY)

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New album in the making, first trailer online!
Sit back and fasten your fairytale seatbelts, as of today NIGHTWISH reveal a first glimpse into their new album. The yet-untitled creation will be the first NIGHTWISH studio-record to feature Dutch vocalist Floor Jansen. It’s set for a release in spring 2015 via Nuclear Blast.
Check out the first “Making of” trailer here: https://youtu.be/BB1IrA8FwrY
Enjoy the ride, as NIGHTWISH take you on a trip to where the magic happens: Settled right in the middle of the beautiful wintery landscape of Eno, Finland, band members and sound staff gather round the long table of “the Cabin” to discuss every aspect, relevant for the making of NIGHTWISH album #8. So far the bands’ mastermind, keyboardist and visionary composer Tuomas Holopainen and sound engineer Tero “TeeCee” Kinnunen recorded demo version of 12 songs.
Commented Tuomas Holopainen: “From the moment I start writing the song, I have the story in my head. I have a really clear vision how the songs should sound like at this point. Of course they will chance after band rehearsals and arranging. And they should change!”
More “Making of” episodes to come, so keep your eyes peeled to the Nuclear Blast YouTube channel!
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Post by: Evermind on July 09, 2014, 10:21:28 AM
Uh oh.

Might be the most anticipated album of 2015 for me.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 09, 2014, 11:24:35 AM
LoL at Emppu....  :tup
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
Uh oh.

Might be the most anticipated album of 2015 for me.

It's definitely one of mine. I'm not entirely sure what all is coming out next year, but I am very eager to hear new material from Nightwish with Floor on vocals. I'm also really curious to see how Troy will be implemented into the new material as well.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 09, 2014, 04:05:06 PM
Yea, I am really excited to see what they do.  For me, every nightwsih album has been good.  Some better than others, but I do enjoy everyone of their releases so I think they will release another good album, but how good is the question.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2014, 06:27:30 AM
https://youtu.be/lIhsFClj0U4 (https://youtu.be/lIhsFClj0U4)

Newest video from their cabin.  Seems like they got 12 songs written and demoed already.
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Post by: ? on July 30, 2014, 06:36:24 AM
Tarja Turunen is one of the coaches on the next season of The Voice of Finland: https://www.iltasanomat.fi/voice-of-finland/art-1288719339981.html
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 30, 2014, 11:28:38 AM
Can't wait to hear Floor's first studio album with the band.  I've only ventured (bought) Imaginarum and Once so far.  Imaginarum rocks, Once is good, but I feel the vocals are low in the mix in a lot of spots.  Still feeling that out of the 3 singers, Floor rules the roost.  The studio version of GLS is just ....lacking, compared to the Floor live versions I've seen.
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 30, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
Can't wait to hear Floor's first studio album with the band.  I've only ventured (bought) Imaginarum and Once so far.  Imaginarum rocks, Once is good, but I feel the vocals are low in the mix in a lot of spots.  Still feeling that out of the 3 singers, Floor rules the roost.  The studio version of GLS is just ....lacking, compared to the Floor live versions I've seen.

Yeah, likewise. I got into the band just before Floor joined and while I liked them, I personally didn't connect much with either Tarja or Anette. It really just came down to the quality of the songs. Once I heard Floor sing them though, it all clicked for me. She's got the vocal power to go operatic like Tarja, but she also sounds more emotionally invested in the songs too.
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Post by: gazinwales on July 30, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
I'm a Floor fan for a long time, since the After Forever days and of ReVamp, have seen her in the flesh with NW and a few live video's.
Yet I am still not 100% convinced that she is the right fit for the band.
Though I really do hope that her first outing with NW blows me away.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2014, 01:30:00 PM
I enjoyed the Wacken Blu Ray with her so I am confident she is good for NW as she is clearly able to sing the material.  I am very curious to see how a new studio album will sound with her though, and lets not forget Troy as well who I would assume to be in every song now since he is a full band member.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 30, 2014, 03:51:17 PM
Interesting point about Troy, Marc.  I wonder what percentage of songs he'll be doing either his pipes or vocals?  In recent interviews I've heard Tuomas mention Troy's upcoming vocal contributions a few times, which makes me think it will be quite a bit.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Interesting point about Troy, Marc.  I wonder what percentage of songs he'll be doing either his pipes or vocals?  In recent interviews I've heard Tuomas mention Troy's upcoming vocal contributions a few times, which makes me think it will be quite a bit.

Well I know he does backing vocs a lot so maybe thats it? I never thought of him having his own vocal parts, but maybe although I love Marco's vocals and would hate to see his vocals lessened.  He also plays the tin whistle so he seems to offer a lot that we have no idea how itll turn out. 
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Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2014, 02:18:26 AM
Interesting point about Troy, Marc.  I wonder what percentage of songs he'll be doing either his pipes or vocals?  In recent interviews I've heard Tuomas mention Troy's upcoming vocal contributions a few times, which makes me think it will be quite a bit.

Well I know he does backing vocs a lot so maybe thats it? I never thought of him having his own vocal parts, but maybe although I love Marco's vocals and would hate to see his vocals lessened.  He also plays the tin whistle so he seems to offer a lot that we have no idea how itll turn out.

I always thought it was Troy who sang the "gar tuht river, ger te rheged" part of The Crow The Owl And The Dove, but I might be mistaken :huh:
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on August 06, 2014, 03:56:25 AM

Well, damn. Jukka is stepping away from the band for the recording of the new album and tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7TJcuuYgQ&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: gazinwales on August 06, 2014, 04:28:07 AM
Wow what a shock, but even bigger is his replacement, Kai Hahto, who is one of my fave drummers and an incredible player too.
Sad about Jukka, but very happy that Kai is filling in for him.

One of Kai's band's, Swallow The Sun, with a song featuring a former Nightwish singer (although Anette is not in the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6W5ScOEv2c
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Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2014, 05:56:09 AM
From facebook

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How to begin telling something that you wouldn’t want to have to tell, although you know that the decision you made is the only (at least the only right) one you could make at the moment? I face this dilemma now, and will do my best to find the right words.
For a number of years, I have suffered from occasional but very difficult insomnia, something that has been my unwanted companion during many of our tours, too. I’ve done my best to try to control it or at least to cope with it. Still, we don’t even really know why we need sleep, so unfortunately there’s not much information available on why some of us suffer from sleeplessness. There is no 100% cure for the problem.
During the last month, it has become evident for me that due to my insomnia, I can’t fulfill my duties as a musician in the way that I’d want and with the precision that the music deserves. Thus I have decided to step aside from my duties as the drummer of Nightwish during the recording of the forthcoming album and the subsequent tour. I will still be involved in managing the day-to-day affairs of the band, but the dearest and the most important thing, playing, is, for the time being, not possible. Time will tell what the future holds.
On a personal level, my decision obviously feels indescribably sad. Fortunately, looking at it with some distance, it is “just” part of the constant, inevitable ebb and flow of life. The sad things are part of it as well as the beautiful, unforgettable experiences and adventures that I’ve already had the pleasure to experience in spades. Surely, there will still be many adventures ahead, too.
My good friend Kai Hahto will play drums on the forthcoming album. I’m extremely grateful that he didn’t hesitate for a minute when he decided to help us in this challenging situation. What comes to touring, everything is still open, but we will let you know as soon possible what the line-up will be.
If beginning this was hard, so is ending it. So maybe I will just quote something fitting.
“You can only lose something that you have, but you cannot losesomething that you are.”― Eckhart Tolle
Best regards, Jukka Nevalainen / Nightwish

Pretty shocking and upsetting.  Wouldnt want to see any sort of illness or physical problems result in anyone not being able to do their job.  Hopefully he is able t get some sleep.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 06, 2014, 07:33:59 AM
Wow that's a shocker! Sad to hear about his condition. Have to say, they couldn't have asked a better session drummer than Kai, he's beast!
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Post by: bosk1 on August 06, 2014, 08:49:58 AM
Oh, wow.  Sad news.  I hope he is able to get this under control.  Band or no band, that has got to be a nightmare to deal with.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 06, 2014, 09:28:38 AM
Given the news, I am on a bit of a Nightwish listening binge at the moment.  I just want to say:  I have always kind of dug Amaranth, but Floor takes it to another level.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 06, 2014, 10:54:29 AM
Well....fuck.....  So I just discover and love this band, and they lose a member.  Watching the 2 DVD's, I really love Jukka's energy and style.  Hopefully, like some of you guys say, the gentleman filling in is top notch.  I really hope Jukka can get the help he needs and beat this beast.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 06, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
Hopefully, like some of you guys say, the gentleman filling in is top notch.
He is my favorite drummer right after Mike Mangini. Here's some stuff he's done recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGMbHHgga18

I'm really really sad for Jukka, that must be awful. Hopefully he overcomes.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 06, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
Really sad about this.....sucks he couldn't stick it out until the album's done.....after all, albums are permanent, tours aren't. But I understand health comes first at all times. Hope he returns sooner than later!
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on August 06, 2014, 09:10:26 PM

It's definitely unfortunate, and I can relate. I've dealt with severe insomnia issues myself, and it can wreck your entire life. When it causes you to give up or lose the things that mean the most to you, it's serious.

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Post by: 425 on August 07, 2014, 03:30:39 PM
Sad to hear about this! Though he's no virtuoso, I really enjoy Jukka's drumming, and he's easily the second-most fun member of the band to watch on Showtime, Storytime after Floor (probably also second to Tarja on End of an Era). I have a close friend who really suffers from insomnia, though, so I have some idea of how debilitating that can be and definitely understand his decision to take a step back.

It is good to hear from others that his temporary replacement is excellent, though. I do hope to see Jukka back behind the Nightwish kit soon, though. It won't be the same without him.
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Post by: Randaran on August 10, 2014, 01:16:41 PM
This is one of my most anticipated albums of 2015. I am not that familiar with the band (I only have the excellent Century Child, though I have listened to many of their other songs), but it is still sad to see Jukka go. Luckily, Kai is the best replacement possible; I really like his work with Wintersun.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2014, 08:10:07 AM
From facebook:

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NIGHTWISH – release 'Planet Hell' (special clip)
While NIGHTWISH are currently working on their upcoming new studio album, fans can enjoy a series of five special clips, with impressions of the »Imaginaerum« world-tour.
Today marks the start with an impressive clip for the NIGHTWISH classic 'Planet Hell'.
Enjoy it here: https://youtu.be/CRJ_csyXosU

Pretty cool of them to release this and supposedly more to come and a pretty cool performance of a song that isnt on Showtime Storytime so I hope the other clips fall into that category as well.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 12, 2014, 09:39:27 AM
Sweet!  My introduction to NW was thru this song.  Always holds a special place for my ears.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 12, 2014, 10:23:04 AM
Not bad for Floors first performance of the song.

I really want to hear her sing The Siren.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
Yea thats pretty ballsy and shows a lot of confidence to show off a first performance of a new singer like that.  I like it a lot.
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Post by: Evermind on August 12, 2014, 10:41:54 AM
Yep, this is great, they should really keep them coming! It's always exciting to hear more Nightwish material with Floor.
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Post by: Cool Chris on August 12, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
Whoa, I was there!

*Looks for self in video.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 12, 2014, 06:27:09 PM
I honestly like Tarja on that song better, but I need to hear a version where Floor is more comfortable
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 12, 2014, 06:50:22 PM
Can't help but think about the situations with Tarja and Annette when hearing about Jukka's plight. I wonder if it would have killed them(him) to allow Jukka some time to recover before working on the album.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 12, 2014, 10:40:44 PM
Can't help but think about the situations with Tarja and Annette when hearing about Jukka's plight. I wonder if it would have killed them(him) to allow Jukka some time to recover before working on the album.

Sounds to me like it's been an ongoing condition over the course of years.  He says he's tried multiple treatments to no avail.  I would assume he has had some off time over the years, be it a month or months to fight it.  If so, at what point should (or if) the band say..."Hey, we need to give Jukka x amount of time to get this handled, and in that time we take a hiatus"  Not sure what the right answer would be.  Bottom line is I hope he gets it resolved for his well being, then returns to the fold!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 22, 2014, 06:02:18 AM
Episode 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9PFUZ9uGs

Floppy disks for the win!  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 22, 2014, 06:04:32 AM
Its interesting the Jukka is in the video at the end, I guess that was filmed before his announcement.  Really sucks that he was involved in the making of the album up to that point and then couldnt go on.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 22, 2014, 06:13:58 AM
Yea it was most likely filmed before but either way he's still involved behind the scenes in the management and I also assume he's involved in the drum recording process in some way and assist Kai with certain things.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on August 29, 2014, 03:55:39 AM
Nightwish released their next live video: Last of the Wilds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Djx6iZ70g
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Riitasointi on August 29, 2014, 10:25:27 AM
I'm very pumped for the upcoming album. I think Floor is miles better than Tarja (who I strangely enough don't really like at all) and Anette combined. Also I think Imaginaerum is their best record so... AND it does not make matter worse that now they have my favorite drummer playing on this record. Kai Hahto is one of the tastiest, most elegant yet very virtuoso-like drummers out there.
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Post by: Scorpion on August 29, 2014, 01:17:30 PM
He plays drums for Wintersun, right?
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 29, 2014, 02:53:16 PM
He plays drums for Wintersun, right?
Yep and Swallow The Sun.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 29, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai_Hahto
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 08, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote
THE FIRST SHOW OF THE NEXT NIGHTWISH WORLD TOUR ANNOUNCED
NIGHTWISH
@ The Greek Theater
Los Angeles, CA
1st of May 2015
VIP and Meet&Greet tickets are exclusively on sale through www.Enterthevault.com
starting on the 9th of September 2014.
The rest of the tickets will go onsale through Ticketmaster on the 12th of September 2014.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2014, 02:18:53 PM
Quote
THE FIRST SHOW OF THE NEXT NIGHTWISH WORLD TOUR ANNOUNCED
NIGHTWISH
@ The Greek Theater
Los Angeles, CA
1st of May 2015
VIP and Meet&Greet tickets are exclusively on sale through www.Enterthevault.com
starting on the 9th of September 2014.
The rest of the tickets will go onsale through Ticketmaster on the 12th of September 2014.

Cool, I think they like going to LA to rehearse and open the tour.
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Post by: lonestar on September 08, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
So I guess I can plan on the third of May for the SF show.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 08, 2014, 03:51:34 PM
Wait, Kai Hahto plays the drums on the new album?! Let's hope he gets some freedom to add some flavour here and there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Riitasointi on September 10, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
There was an interview with Kai Hahto on a local newspaper around here (Kai is from the region I live in) and in that interview he says that there's going to be a song on the new NW record that's half an hour long. Interesting. I hope Tuomas has really thought this through and the song has enough good elements to survive 30 minutes.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 10, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
Wow, that would be different for NW
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Post by: aprilethereal on September 11, 2014, 12:36:24 AM
Hopefully the song doesn't feature a spoken word performance of an awful poem that takes up half the runtime ::)
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 11, 2014, 06:13:57 AM
^ yeah that.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2014, 06:15:17 AM
Agreed, but I cant imagine a 30 minute NW song that doesnt have a long orchestral break.  Hopefully, no spoken words.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 11, 2014, 06:33:02 AM
I'm not even against spoken word, it just has to not suck.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2014, 06:47:09 AM
Latest Making Of video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJF4Twus_08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJF4Twus_08)

I find it interesting that Jukka is still involved at this point.  Even putting together his own drum set and rehearsing with the band.  Makes me think that Kai will not be doing his own style of drumming for the album.  All speculation on my part.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2014, 10:15:21 AM
Can't see the video at the moment but isn't the footage from earlier this year? Maybe even before he got public with his condition?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
Yea, its from earlier this summer. Defintieyl before the announcement, but the point i was making was that he was playing drums on the demos for the new songs so I am not sure how much Kai will actually be writing/contributing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Yea I agree on that. I think he will have alot of influence on how the drums will be produced, he may even sit in during the drum recording sessions and give feedback to Kai.
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Post by: aprilethereal on September 11, 2014, 11:42:59 PM
It's definitely cool for Jukka to do that, but at the same time Kai is one of my absolute favourite drummers and I'd love to hear him interpret the songs his own way.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 13, 2014, 10:20:41 AM
First US show announced.....  Los Angeles!!  5/1/15   :metal :metal :metal  I'll be there!!
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 23, 2014, 08:07:57 AM
And booyah!

(https://nightwish.com/images/NW%20final%20poster.jpg)

Definitely hitting Toronto.  The Phoenix Concert Theater is such an awesome venue.  Saw Floor there with ReVamp. 

Will do what I can to hit San Fran too.  Phoenix is out, since it's a weekend.

Edit - Mother of God, Ticketbastard is advertising the show in Spokane with Sabaton as well.  That would rawk if it was the whole tour!!  :2metal:
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 23, 2014, 09:09:39 AM
What the shit? Vancouver, Portland, and Spokane?! Those are the options for us Seattleites?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
Nice, first show in NYC and with Delain so I'm pumped for this. Hammerstein is where DT last played too which I liked.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 23, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
Yikes!!!  $185 for the Meet/Greet in Toronto.  Seeing as how it's really only Floor I'd want to meet, and I got that under my belt when she was here with ReVamp, I'll save $140 and just get GA tix.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 23, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
Looks like I'm taking a trip to Denver.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Riitasointi on September 23, 2014, 12:52:54 PM
Kai Hahto shared the photo on Facebook and said "North-America!Nice to see you again!!"

I guess he'll be joining them on tour then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 29, 2014, 01:58:59 AM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/nightwishvocalsdone2014.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2014, 08:18:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On9V0QBoFW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On9V0QBoFW4)

Newest video from the studio.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 17, 2014, 12:24:02 PM
Ok this I did not expect:

(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/1002525_10154745029175068_1508089950931283718_n.jpg?oh=525f02deb48a3ac79e55f21f202db190&oe=54C02E54)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/10458594_10154745029270068_5022149532679897861_n.jpg?oh=2ee6f786cf37eeaf01e3d00ad380e5cf&oe=54B0A51F&__gda__=1425057956_474844e64991f13f9cef4574cc80fe5f)


Love Dawkins though!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Who is that?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on October 17, 2014, 01:14:46 PM
Richard Dawkins

You wouldn't like him. :P
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2014, 01:31:24 PM
???  Why is he on a Nightwish album?
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Post by: 425 on October 17, 2014, 01:32:59 PM
That one surprised me too. Hopefully they don't alienate religious fans too much (to be clearer, Richard Dawkins is a biology professor known for his rather aggressive atheism).

I imagine he'll have some type of spoken word part. Who knows what it could be though.

Another pertinent question: Why isn't Floor in that picture?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
That one surprised me too. Hopefully they don't alienate religious fans too much (to be clearer, Richard Dawkins is a biology professor known for his rather aggressive atheism).

Yeah, that could be a major turnoff.  If he is spouting his nonsense, I know I for one won't be interested in buying the album.

Another pertinent question: Why isn't Floor in that picture?

I wouldn't read too much into that.  Marco isn't there either.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 17, 2014, 01:40:07 PM
Yeah, that could be a major turnoff.  If he is spouting his nonsense, I know I for one won't be interested in buying the album.

As an atheist though non-Dawkins fan myself, it probably wouldn't bother me, but I would definitely understand why it would completely turn some people off. Which is why I wonder what they're going for there.

I wouldn't read too much into that.  Marco isn't there either.

True. Disregard, then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 17, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
I'm fine with spoken word as long as it doesn't suck like on Song of Myself, but frankly any anti-religious (or religious, for that matter) diatribe in a song seems like a poor decision to me.

Also I could have sworn I heard about this Dawkins dude dying. I guess it was someone else with a similar name? This is gonna bother me all day.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 17, 2014, 02:02:50 PM
Christopher Hitchens died about a year ago. He was also an outspoken atheist.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 17, 2014, 02:03:44 PM
Ah, ok, that was probably it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 17, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
I really enjoy hearing Dawkins debate and have nothing against him but I was very surprised to hear him joining NW in studio. Very interested to see where this is going.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 17, 2014, 04:58:32 PM
That one surprised me too. Hopefully they don't alienate religious fans too much (to be clearer, Richard Dawkins is a biology professor known for his rather aggressive atheism).

Yeah, that could be a major turnoff.  If he is spouting his nonsense, I know I for one won't be interested in buying the album.

Except it's not nonsense.

Besides, there might be a song about Evolution or something as he's a biologist, and not just an anti-religious evil doer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 17, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Except it's not nonsense.

Besides, there might be a song about Evolution or something as he's a biologist, and not just an anti-religious evil doer.
Except people nowadays don't tend to hate Dawkins for his atheism but because he exchanged evolutionary biology for a career in grade A shitbaggery. Obviously bosk would dislike him for being really over the top in criticizing religious people, but even atheists (I know I do) tend to dislike him for the same reason - he's mostly shitting on people, not ideas. Add the eugenics-flirting and the gross islamophobia and, well.

Besides, the irony of him referring to religious people as thumb-sucking morons while his most devout fans spout off every argument he says in his exact words and worship him like a divinity shouldn't get lost on you, and if it does, drop by your local atheist group for an earful. He's not a bad writer, but I'd prefer reading someone else.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 17, 2014, 06:36:51 PM
Well, a Dawkins evolution rant is certainly more interesting to me than a torn soul story of Tuomas. Let's see were this leads to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 17, 2014, 08:18:44 PM
Except it's not nonsense.

Besides, there might be a song about Evolution or something as he's a biologist, and not just an anti-religious evil doer.
Except people nowadays don't tend to hate Dawkins for his atheism but because he exchanged evolutionary biology for a career in grade A shitbaggery. Obviously bosk would dislike him for being really over the top in criticizing religious people, but even atheists (I know I do) tend to dislike him for the same reason - he's mostly shitting on people, not ideas. Add the eugenics-flirting and the gross islamophobia and, well.

Besides, the irony of him referring to religious people as thumb-sucking morons while his most devout fans spout off every argument he says in his exact words and worship him like a divinity shouldn't get lost on you, and if it does, drop by your local atheist group for an earful. He's not a bad writer, but I'd prefer reading someone else.

Obviously this isn't a thread for Dawkins debate, and I suck at debating anyway, and although I agree he's VERY blunt, he's not afraid to say those things, and if that makes him a douchebag, I'm right there with him. I'm sure not a lot of people will argue that one. I have more respect to keep my mouth shut (some of the time here, most of the time in public), but I agree with pretty much everything he says. I know Neil DeGrasse Tyson doesn't like the way Dawkins operates, but they're basically on the same page. Neil is the respectable version of Dawkins.

Doing a quick search for eugenics tells me it's the idea of weeding out shitting traits. It might be comparable to what Hitler wanted to do, but I don't believe, and I think it's absurd if anyone did that Dawkins in anyway wants to mass murder every flawed human and create perfect beings.

I've read (listened to) both The God Delusion and The Greatest Show on Earth, and I just don't see how his points can be refuted.


Oh, and Nightwish and stuff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on October 18, 2014, 02:00:26 AM
Tuomas was raised in a religious family and I doubt he wants to upset his mom with any kind of Atheist messages in his music. :P
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2014, 06:33:01 AM
*posts*

Holy fuck gurl?!?!?  Where the hell ya been?  Nice to see ya here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 18, 2014, 12:57:44 PM
Does anyone, knowing Nightwish and what Tuomas writes about, actually expect Dawkins to be talking about the superiority of evolution to creationism or something? I would generally say to avoid jumping to conclusions about what Dawkins is going to say until we have more information than a couple of pictures. It could be that they asked him to read a fairly non-controversial passage from one of his books or something.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 19, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Yeah, IF..he goes on a tirade about "Moronic worshipers"  and there's not some kind of balance, as we have with DT's The Great Debate, then I'll be a bit turned off.  I'm not a huge fan of any material that is steeped in politics or religion.  That "Anti-religious/politics" theme has turned me off to bands like Epica, and drove me away from Pearl Jam, and a bit from Pain of Salvation because of Daniel.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 28, 2014, 08:42:17 AM
Episode 6 (https://youtu.be/XxcuVtdR6po)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2014, 08:47:23 AM
Does anyone, knowing Nightwish and what Tuomas writes about, actually expect Dawkins to be talking about the superiority of evolution to creationism or something?

Um...yes.  That is all Dawkins talks about.  And if they wanted Dawkins to be talking about something completely different, then there would be no need to have Dawkins at all.  They could have (and likely would have) gotten somebody else.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 28, 2014, 10:07:55 AM
I hope Dawkins does go on an anti-religious tiraid, but at the same time, a song about evolution would be kinda lame. We'll see. Dream Theater made a song about stem cell research sound cool, so you never know.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 28, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
And if they wanted Dawkins to be talking about something completely different, then there would be no need to have Dawkins at all. 

Not necessarily true. Maybe they just want the voice, and not the person behind it. I have never heard him speak, but he could (though doubtfully) have a Godlike Morgan Freeman type voice. Or a quirky Christopher Walken type voice. Again, not likely, but possible.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 28, 2014, 04:54:16 PM
And if they wanted Dawkins to be talking about something completely different, then there would be no need to have Dawkins at all. 

Not necessarily true. Maybe they just want the voice, and not the person behind it. I have never heard him speak, but he could (though doubtfully) have a Godlike Morgan Freeman type voice. Or a quirky Christopher Walken type voice. Again, not likely, but possible.

Actually he has a very dainty British voice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 28, 2014, 06:27:14 PM
I would not bet on that.

Quote
Asked if this literature will work itself into his lyrics, or even inspire the next NIGHTWISH album, Tuomas said: "I already know now that since I have been so enthusiastic about this kind of literature for the past few months, and will be for the upcoming months, that it's going to come out somehow. I don't know how just yet, but it will come out. I know it from experience."

He added: "Sometimes I come across interviews I did ten years ago and see that I am quite a different person. So something has happened say during the past five, six, seven years, and a lot of it has to do with the books that I've read, mainly Whitman, Hitchens and Dawkins."
(blabbermouth)

So yeah, there is at least a song going to feature arguments against religion from a scientific and evidence based point of view I think.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 05, 2014, 02:55:25 PM
Eh, I don't know. While as an atheist I agree with some of the core principles of Dawkins' career (evolution is a real thing, there is no God), I can't help but see him as a raging irritating douche because of the way he comes off. Tuomas seems irritating to me in the exact same way, so they're probably a good match :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 05, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
Eh, I don't know. While as an atheist I agree with some of the core principles of Dawkins' career (evolution is a real thing, there is no God), I can't help but see him as a raging irritating douche because of the way he comes off. Tuomas seems irritating to me in the exact same way, so they're probably a good match :lol

I...actually completely agree with that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on November 11, 2014, 09:04:54 AM
Nightwish is officially stadium rock now :P
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10708781_10154836740935068_2424009172197389677_o.jpg)
I may go to the Tampere show if the tickets don't sell out immediately. I've seen both NW and COB live once and I don't really listen to either band anymore, but this will definitely be a cool event, and I'm curious to hear how NW sounds with Floor and Kai Hahto.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 11, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Judging on the DVD and youtube videos, prepare to be amazed. Floor is the best vocalist that's even been with them IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2014, 09:27:17 AM
Judging on the DVD and youtube videos, prepare to be amazed. Floor is the best vocalist that's even been with them IMO.

Agreed.  Which is why I hope the new album doesn't suck.  I fell in love with this band for Century Child and Once, but as I explored their back catalog, I discovered a band that is wildly inconsistent, a pattern I found to be further perpetuated when they released Dark Passion Play.  Imaginaerum was VERY good.  But given Tuomas' track record, I have no idea what to expect from the new one.  At the very least, I am sure I will enjoy at least some of the songs on the new one from a musical perspective.  Hopefully, the lyrics or an inconsistency in musical quality do not end up spoiling the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
On a different but related topic:  As I said many times, DPP was written before the band had decided on hiring Anette.  Hence, it was not written with her voice in mind.  While she does fine on the album, I think it could have been a stronger effort had it been written for her voice and specific skill set.  Imaginaerum was written with her in mind, and it shows.  I feel the album really allows her to shine. 

But that said, since she is no longer in the band, there is a part of me that wishes the band would re-record it with Floor.  The more rational part of me wants them to just leave it alone and avoid disrespecting Anette by re-booting the album with new vocals, but the part of me that recognizes Floor as a superior vocalist would really love to hear the studio tracks with her voice on them.  The live versions on Showtime, Storytime somewhat satiate that desire.  And, honestly, given that we have Showtime, Storytime, I don't see a re-record happening.  But I still can't help wishing that there was one.  Anyone else strongly agree/disagree?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mister Gold on November 11, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
On a different but related topic:  As I said many times, DPP was written before the band had decided on hiring Anette.  Hence, it was not written with her voice in mind.  While she does fine on the album, I think it could have been a stronger effort had it been written for her voice and specific skill set.  Imaginaerum was written with her in mind, and it shows.  I feel the album really allows her to shine. 

But that said, since she is no longer in the band, there is a part of me that wishes the band would re-record it with Floor.  The more rational part of me wants them to just leave it alone and avoid disrespecting Anette by re-booting the album with new vocals, but the part of me that recognizes Floor as a superior vocalist would really love to hear the studio tracks with her voice on them.  The live versions on Showtime, Storytime somewhat satiate that desire.  And, honestly, given that we have Showtime, Storytime, I don't see a re-record happening.  But I still can't help wishing that there was one.  Anyone else strongly agree/disagree?

I agree with you, actually. Anette did a good job on Imaginareum, but Floor's live performances generally wipe the floor with what Anette did on the studio version (much like Bruce Dickinson's performances of songs like Phantom of the Opera put the original Dianno version to shame). Then again, I'd also kill to hear them re-record Century Child or Once with Floor too, considering I'm not a big fan of Tarja either. :lol 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2014, 10:47:17 AM
They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2014, 11:23:08 AM
They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

I don't think "so far" is even applicable.  She has the skills to sing anything they have ever put out.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2014, 11:55:45 AM
They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

I don't think "so far" is even applicable.  She has the skills to sing anything they have ever put out.

Considering she handles the grunts/growlies in ReVamp too, you could change the above as such.

No need to invest the time/money to re-record any past material (Annette or Tarja era) in the studio.  Just keep doing more live releases.  Floor gives us the best of Tarja (operatic and range), and Annette (melodic) and then adds the POWAH!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2014, 12:12:14 PM
They should just keep releasing live albums with Floor singing more and more of the back catalogue.  She can clearly sing all the songs so far.

I don't think "so far" is even applicable.  She has the skills to sing anything they have ever put out.

True, didn't mean that as I thought there may be songs she can't somg, just that she has already proven she can on the songs she's performed.  I Do hope they open the catalogue up on the next tour and play more songs that Haven't been played in awhile.
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Post by: adace on November 11, 2014, 12:48:25 PM
Dat lineup :hefdaddy
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Post by: Sacul on November 11, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Listened to Once for the first time today, and was blown away by how good this band is without being too cheesy. Cool stuff.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2014, 02:48:10 PM
Listened to Once for the first time today, and was blown away by how good this band is without being too cheesy. Cool stuff.

Once is good; Century Child is the best them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
Listened to Once for the first time today, and was blown away by how good this band is without being too cheesy. Cool stuff.

Once is good; Century Child is the best them.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one.  They are neck-and-neck for best album in my opinion.
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Post by: Zook on November 11, 2014, 05:24:02 PM
I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 11, 2014, 05:43:50 PM
I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

To each their own. I think that Century Child is just about a perfect album with all good to great songs (with Beauty of the Beast being the best thing the band has ever done).  Meanwhile, I only like about half the songs on Imaginaerum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 11, 2014, 06:55:22 PM
Imaginaerum I did not like at all, then I listened to the instrumental version and loved it.
So it was AO voice that didn't click for me, but I did like her on DPP.
But I saw her a few times live and really she could not cut it on (most of) the Tarja era material.

The 2 most consistent and the albums I always come back to are, Oceanborn and Once.
Those are my 2 Nightwish masterpieces, that will never be bettered IMO.

That said I am really looking forward to hearing Floor sing on the new album.
I'm still sitting on the fence with her  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2014, 07:05:12 PM
I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

To each their own. I think that Century Child is just about a perfect album with all good to great songs (with Beauty of the Beast being the best thing the band has ever done).  Meanwhile, I only like about half the songs on Imaginaerum.

This exactly. Every word.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on November 11, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
I still say Imaginaerum is better than both, and by that I mean it's more consistant. Once and Century Child have a few duds, while Imaginaerum has none.

I agree. Century Child to me is the more consistent of the two and pretty close to Imaginaerum, but I think Imaginaerum is the most consistent album they've put out. And it really is just because End of All Hope, Slaying the Dreamer and The Phantom of the Opera aren't exactly my favorites. Beauty of the Beast, Ever Dream, Bless the Child and others are all spectacular.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on November 11, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Anyone else strongly agree/disagree?
I don't think the presence of Floor will be enough to make up for the major shortcomings of DPP namely, the songwriting, which is just weak. I'd personally rather see them focus on new material as opposed to polishing a fairly mediocre album. I mean, even if I think it's kinda weak, it's not so bad that it's desperately calling out to be redone and Annette is pretty good on it (blasphemy, yes I know).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 11, 2014, 07:55:44 PM
Beauty of the Beast is cool and all, but doesn't compare to Ghost Love Score. That song is Nightwish's masterpiece.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on November 11, 2014, 09:36:04 PM
I would agree that Ghost Love Score is the best Nightwish song (though Song of Myself would have a serious case if the poem part—which I don't entirely hate, just don't entirely love—didn't drag it down). But Beauty of the Beast is seriously amazing as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 11, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
I just watched the Imagiaerum movie, for the first 20 odd minutes, I had no idea what was going on.
But after a while it started to make sense, the music sounds great and mixes well with the action.
I wasn't sure what I was getting, but ended up really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2014, 07:48:30 AM
Beauty of the Beast is cool and all, but doesn't compare to Ghost Love Score. That song is Nightwish's masterpiece.

I like Beauty of the Beast more, my favorite NW song.  Ever Dream may be my #2 song, but Century Child is actually #3 on my list.  I love Once and Wishmaster a bit more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2014, 08:40:34 AM
...And it really is just because End of All Hope, Slaying the Dreamer and The Phantom of the Opera aren't exactly my favorites.

Okay, well since those are the top 3 on the album for me, we are definitely not a match.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 08:13:06 PM
I don't believe Update 7 has been posted as yet , so.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LxuJGioqVxI
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: YtseCullen on November 16, 2014, 09:49:24 PM
Colour me excited  :laugh:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on November 17, 2014, 10:24:20 AM
...And it really is just because End of All Hope, Slaying the Dreamer and The Phantom of the Opera aren't exactly my favorites.

Okay, well since those are the top 3 on the album for me, we are definitely not a match.  :lol

Wow, how did that happen? :lol I mean, I don't dislike any of them, but for me they're not at the godly level of the rest of Century Child.



Anyway, came in here to post this:
(https://i.imgur.com/iozixrX.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2014, 10:25:27 AM
Is Find the Origin the new album title?  I saw that on facebook but never saw an announcement on the album title.
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Post by: 425 on November 17, 2014, 10:27:14 AM
It says in the description of the picture I just posted that they will announce the album title at (or around, I'm assuming) Christmas. I would assume it's somehow related, though.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 17, 2014, 11:50:23 AM
Seeing the words "find the origin" and the picture of the fossil confirm that this is largely gonna be about evolution. at least that accounts for no more dead boy poets :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on November 18, 2014, 04:50:13 AM
Yeah, that was my thought as well: this more likely than not represents a rather significant shift in lyrical direction for Tuomas.
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Post by: Mister Gold on November 18, 2014, 05:53:06 AM
Yeah, that was my thought as well: this more likely than not represents a rather significant shift in lyrical direction for Tuomas.

No kidding. Kinda ironic that he seems to have made such a shift in that direction, as my biggest concern with the upcoming album had previously been whether or not the lyrics would be anything decent. I mean it's still a possibility that Tuomas might not be able to write such lyrics with proper tact and what-not, but despite my personal hesitancy on Richard Dawkins' involvement, I'm interested in seeing if Tuomas can pull this change off.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
Um...has Tuomas EVER exhibited tact?  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mister Gold on November 19, 2014, 09:14:12 AM
Um...has Tuomas EVER exhibited tact?  :lol

:lol Fair point! Still, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 23, 2014, 10:54:42 PM
I just got the 2CD/DVD version of Imaginaerum, mainly for the full orchestral version of the album.
Sounds pretty amazing minus all the rock instruments.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 02, 2014, 02:59:39 AM
New promo pic with Kai
(https://kuvat.kaleva.fi/default/51b6c508-792a-11e4-bfa3-22000a22931e/large-nightwish.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
New promo pic with Kai
(https://kuvat.kaleva.fi/default/51b6c508-792a-11e4-bfa3-22000a22931e/large-nightwish.jpg)

 :rollin

They must have redone that and given Emppuu a stool

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10679495_10154908999520068_6907657484338008810_o.jpg)
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Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 09:11:36 AM
:lol  Forced perspective, just like they did with a lot of the hobbit scenes in the Lord of the Rings movies.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 02, 2014, 10:58:53 AM
My god, those legs!

Sry.....
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 02, 2014, 11:03:29 AM
My god, those legs!

Sry.....
the styling is absolutely cliche metal but Floor really brings the look together :biggrin: Marco's unnecessary zippers are quite a lulz moment. And yeah, group pictures with Emppu always look a little silly.

Seeing Kai Hahto in Nightwish is still unreal!
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Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2014, 12:38:24 PM
Troy looks like he is stoned
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 02, 2014, 12:53:42 PM
Seeing Kai Hahto in Nightwish is still unreal!
Yea I know, really looking forward to his contribution.  :metal

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Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 12:55:46 PM
Troy looks like he is stoned
Yea I know, really looking forward to his contribution.  :metal
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Post by: ErHaO on December 03, 2014, 02:55:58 AM
My god, those legs!

Yea I know, really looking forward to her contribution.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 06, 2014, 05:30:44 PM
Episode 8 (https://youtu.be/r0ivbQz3IGI)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2014, 06:01:02 AM
Quote
We are proud to announce the release of our first single called 'Élan', which will be out on February 13, 2015 via Nuclear Blast!
“Oh, while I live to be the ruler of life, Not a slave
To meet life as a powerful conqueror, and nothing exterior to me will ever take command of me.”
- Walt Whitman
Commented NIGHTWISH keyboardist and songwriter Tuomas Holopainen: “This beautiful quote from my hero Uncle Walt was the starting point for writing 'Élan'. The underlying theme of the song is nothing less than the meaning of life, which can be something different for all of us. It´s important to surrender yourself to the occasional 'free fall' and not to fear the path less travelled by. 'Élan' is a wonderful teaser for the full-length album, giving out a little taste, but revealing very little of the actual Journey of Grandeur to come…”
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 08, 2014, 07:52:03 AM
Great reminder that Tuomas is completely full of himself, in case any of us had forgotten.  :lol  Oh well.  Here's hoping he can successfully stay out of his own way and write a good album.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 08, 2014, 08:38:46 AM
Watching the dairy they've been posting to YT, everyone seems to be all over this - the band, the orchestrators, the press... I haev high hopes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 08, 2014, 12:24:45 PM
Watching the dairy they've been posting to YT, everyone seems to be all over this - the band, the orchestrators, the press... I haev high hopes.
What kind was it? Cheddar?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 22, 2014, 05:06:54 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1517511_958498350834655_7458032601422600629_n.jpg?oh=83d1c135d983f16ba704d3d3f29bf2b8&oe=54FCB55F&__gda__=1426434402_9f51c389dda4f8a6c01136735de6f475)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 22, 2014, 08:11:20 AM
I don't like it.
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Post by: Randaran on December 22, 2014, 08:12:22 AM
The cover itself is... ok, I guess, though I do like the album name.
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Post by: aprilethereal on December 22, 2014, 08:34:12 AM
Is this official?
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Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2014, 08:42:23 AM
Yes its official.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 22, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
Looks pretty cool, interesting title though.
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Post by: gazinwales on December 22, 2014, 09:03:51 AM
Is this official?

Yup I reckon so
https://nightwish.com/en/news#2525
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Post by: Evermind on December 22, 2014, 10:23:04 AM
The cover is great, I wish it was colourful though. The album's name is awesome too.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 22, 2014, 10:53:14 AM
The cover is great, I wish it was colourful though. The album's name is awesome too.

Their album covers have been basically black and white (with blue/grey tint) since Once.  And even before that, their covers were very monochrome.  Assuming that has been intentional (and given how long it has been going on, I doubt it could be otherwise), I wouldn't expect a change.
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Post by: Cool Chris on December 22, 2014, 10:54:03 AM
Reminds me of Sinistar.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 22, 2014, 11:09:50 AM
I hunger...
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Post by: Evermind on December 22, 2014, 11:55:36 AM
The cover is great, I wish it was colourful though. The album's name is awesome too.

Their album covers have been basically black and white (with blue/grey tint) since Once.  And even before that, their covers were very monochrome.  Assuming that has been intentional (and given how long it has been going on, I doubt it could be otherwise), I wouldn't expect a change.

Yeah, good point. Thinking about it, I didn't even expect a change, but I can wish for something a bit less bleak. I hoped maybe since the album has to do with nature and evolution there would be some brown or greenish colours, but, well, this isn't the case, it seems.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 22, 2014, 11:57:27 AM
I like the album cover. It looks cool.
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Post by: adace on December 22, 2014, 12:28:37 PM
Not too crazy about the title or cover but I'm very excited nonetheless.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 22, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
I like the title and the cover. There's so much to look at, although it is a tad bit busy. And this is the first cover without any color at all, which is cool. Lately the covers have been dominated by blue.
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Post by: 425 on December 22, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
The more I look at the artwork the more I like it. Whether the title is good or cheesy will depend for me on how the music sounds. Mostly I'm just ready to hear new Nightwish.
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Post by: ariich on December 23, 2014, 12:19:33 AM
Awesome cover, cool name. Hope the music's good!
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 10, 2015, 10:21:02 AM
Being a new Nightwish fan it's fun exploring their body of work.  Last night I watched Imaginaerum and was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.  I mean really, for a rock band to put out something so creative like that is truly amazing.
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Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2015, 08:37:52 AM
New album earbooks are now available (https://www.madsupply.com/en/shop/band+merchandise/nightwish/endless+forms+most+beatiful+presales) to preorder at the official Nightwish Mad Supply shop.

I was thinking of getting one, even though I really have no use for this vinyl disc, but 18€ shipping cost (total cost over 50€) is killing me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on January 12, 2015, 01:30:02 PM
Pretty much the same with the NB store, shipping is a flat rate of 28 euro's.
If you want the exclusive items then you pay up or go without.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2015, 06:43:36 AM
Pretty much the same with the NB store, shipping is a flat rate of 28 euro's.
If you want the exclusive items then you pay up or go without.

Yeah... I guess I'll order the earbook after all.

Tracks names have been revealed, by the way:

01. Shudder Before The Beautiful
02. Weak Fantasy
03. Élan
04. Yours Is An Empty Hope
05. Our Decades In the Sun
06. My Walden
07. Endless Forms Most Beautiful
08. Edema Ruh
09. Alpenglow
10. The Eyes Of Sharbat Gula
11. The Greatest Show On Earth
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Post by: Liampie on January 16, 2015, 07:06:05 AM
Ugh... Some of those titles are terrible. Shudder Before The Beautiful makes me shudder, Weak Fantasy is weak, Yours is an Empty Hope makes me lose hope and The Greatest Show on Earth sounds like a disappointment already. Pretentious Tuomas at work...

Alpenglow, now that is actually a really cool intriguing title!
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Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2015, 07:16:04 AM
Ugh... Some of those titles are terrible. Shudder Before The Beautiful makes me shudder, Weak Fantasy is weak, Yours is an Empty Hope makes me lose hope and The Greatest Show on Earth sounds like a disappointment already. Pretentious Tuomas at work...

Alpenglow, now that is actually a really cool intriguing title!

I agree about Shudder and Weak Fantasy, but I somewhat like Yours is an Empty Hope, and I have confidence in the band that The Greatest Show on Earth may live up to the name and fit nicely in the concept.

I can't take Alpenglow seriously because all I can think of when I read it is Alpen Gold chocolate.  :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Liampie on January 16, 2015, 07:47:52 AM
I can't take Alpenglow seriously because all I can think of when I read it is Alpen Gold chocolate.  :rollin

That makes it better to me! When it comes to chocolate, I'm like a woman on her period. Never enough chocolate for me. Candy of the gods.
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Post by: ErHaO on January 16, 2015, 07:48:43 AM
I have not seen the trailers (no new music in it, right?), is this a concept album? Do we know something about the subjects of the songs as of yet?

I do like some of the titles. Alpenglow indeed sounds like something you buy in the supermarket during wintersports, though  :P

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Post by: Zook on January 16, 2015, 08:19:23 AM
Not sure how those titles are pretentious. I'm assuming Dawkins will be featured on The Greatest Show on Earth since it's the same name as his book.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2015, 09:14:02 AM
I cant say I care for anything I have heard about this album so far in terms of title, art work, and track names.... but none of that matters to me anyway as long as the music is good and given NW's history, I expect the album to be good.  My opinion is they have not released a bad album yet.

I guess we will all hvae an idea on Feb 13th when the single is released.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 16, 2015, 02:28:04 PM
^^ My thoughts precisely.
Song titles for me are pretty much irrelevant, I listen to a few bands who sing in their native foreign language and I have no idea what the song titles are or mean.
As stated above as long as the songs are good, and Nightwish have never let me down yet.
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Post by: 425 on January 16, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
I agree with cramx3, though I think the artwork is fairly good. Not as good as DPP or Imaginaerum, but fairly good. But yeah, I just have to expect this to be good because of Tuomas's and Nightwish's track record.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2015, 09:51:06 AM
I should also add that Im not crazy about the likely spoken word on the album, and I haven't liked the use of it in the past, but I don't think it ruins any of the songs.
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Post by: Evermind on January 17, 2015, 11:25:30 AM
Well, discussing the track names is fun, and we don't have anything else from the new album to discuss anyway (except the artwork).

I've went ahead and ordered the earbook. Expensive, yes, but should be freaking awesome.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 17, 2015, 03:22:50 PM
I'm hoping 1 of the songs passes the 15 minute mark at the very least.

The Greatest Show On Earth has a whole side to itself on the vinyl, so here's hoping!
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Post by: Zook on January 17, 2015, 04:03:39 PM
I'm hoping 1 of the songs passes the 15 minute mark at the very least.

The Greatest Show On Earth has a whole side to itself on the vinyl, so here's hoping!

I remember reading from here I think that there was to be a 24 minute song. I imagine that's it.
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Post by: 425 on January 17, 2015, 05:10:23 PM
I hope Tuomas can pull off writing a song that long, since the longest he's done (TPATP) isn't much more than half that length. I'd say it's somewhat unusual to have a songwriter attempt a 20+ minute song for the first time this late in his career.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 17, 2015, 05:55:48 PM
Very excited about this album. I think the cover is cool and the title seems somehow fresh. Interested in Mr Dawkins involment on TGSOE seeing it's the title of his own book.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 18, 2015, 01:03:39 PM
I hope Tuomas can pull off writing a song that long, since the longest he's done (TPATP) isn't much more than half that length. I'd say it's somewhat unusual to have a songwriter attempt a 20+ minute song for the first time this late in his career.

I remember reading that Song Of Myself and Imaginaerum were supposed to be on one track, which would've made it around 19 minutes. But they decided to separate them at last minute.

Glad they did, I don't think it would've flowed too well.
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Post by: 425 on January 18, 2015, 02:58:50 PM
Yeah, Song of Myself is already verging on disjointed with the combination of the first two movements, Piano Black and the spoken word part. Adding in Imaginaerum would have been quite detrimental to it.

Plus, Imaginaerum is a reprise of a bunch of different themes from the album, so even if it had been part of a 19-minute track with SOM, I wouldn't really consider that an example of long-form songwriting.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 24, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
I'm pretty stoked right now!  Just got my tickets for the May 1st L.A. show.  In the last 25 years I've had 0 luck for SoCal shows getting decent tix through Ticketmaster.  I've pretty much resigned myself to purchasing through agencies for good seats.  I was told long ago that with Ticketmaster the key is to constantly keep checking back, that good seats would just appear out of nowhere.  I've tried this before with shows and had little luck.  With this show though, the agency prices were too high for me to get really good seats, about $350 for front row center.  My max has been about $250 for first 3 rows center. 

So for the last month and a half I've been watching closely on Ticketmaster and I've noticed the available seats getting better...and better.  A month ago they were about row 30 non center sections.  Last week they had row 7, 2 very last seats all the way to the left side of the stage.  Today I looked and found row 4, 3 seats just left of dead center stage.  To say the least, I pounced on them!  total for those  tix?  $205 for the pair TOTAL.  Looking at comparable seats on Stubhub.... $280-$390 EACH, Total of $600-800 for the pair, and Stubhub doesn't give the seat numbers...so you could be far over left or right.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 08, 2015, 04:47:21 AM
Episode 10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54YoyRFF3KY)
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Post by: ErHaO on February 08, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
I like Elan. It is not an all out song but is pleasant to listen to and very melodic as always. Not too fond of the chorus but it is not bad either. I figure it is a bit of a resting spot on the album, alltough by no means something I'd call a ballad.

Sorry Floor! I cannot possibly control my curiosity/hype when I see a link ;D (https://instagram.com/p/ywQvgeuGg9/ (https://instagram.com/p/ywQvgeuGg9/)). Not even sure if what I heard is the actual single and it was a "radio edit", but I liked it nontheless and they have my money and future views for official release for sure.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2015, 08:57:01 AM
So apparently the new single Elan got leaked which lead to NW posting a crazy all capital letter rant on Facebook which drove a lot of fans crazy. While leaking the song would upset a band, the reaction by the band was really unprofessional although not surprising
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Post by: Evermind on February 08, 2015, 08:57:29 AM
This is one of the most anticipated albums of the year for me, so I'm not listening to the single (leak or no leak) or any samples until I get an earbook in my hands. Don't want to spoil the experience.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 08, 2015, 09:00:58 AM
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Dear REAL fans: this Èlan version is NOT official and sounds unlike the real thing!!!!
Haven't heard it but was it fake or something or what does she mean by that?

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Post by: ErHaO on February 08, 2015, 09:05:34 AM
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Dear REAL fans: this Èlan version is NOT official and sounds unlike the real thing!!!!
Haven't heard it but was it fake or something or what does she mean by that?

My theory: not the full version (radio edit) or final sound quality/missing some elements. I would be surprised if a completely different song leaked (if so, it could be a b-track to the single).
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Post by: Evermind on February 08, 2015, 09:12:05 AM
I think it was just a matter of quality. That's why I avoid listening to most leaks, actually.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 08, 2015, 09:50:52 AM
Pretty sure it's just a matter of it being a radio edit and of poor audio quality.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
The single gets released next week so I can wait as well, don't see the point of trying to get the leak nor do I see the point of the band acknowledging it and going overboard in reactions. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 08, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
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Dear REAL fans: this Èlan version is NOT official and sounds unlike the real thing!!!!
Haven't heard it but was it fake or something or what does she mean by that?

My theory: not the full version (radio edit) or final sound quality/missing some elements. I would be surprised if a completely different song leaked (if so, it could be a b-track to the single).
Yea it's probably only bad quality or radio edit as you say.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 08, 2015, 10:04:23 AM
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Dear REAL fans: this Èlan version is NOT official and sounds unlike the real thing!!!!
Haven't heard it but was it fake or something or what does she mean by that?

My theory: not the full version (radio edit) or final sound quality/missing some elements. I would be surprised if a completely different song leaked (if so, it could be a b-track to the single).
Yea it's probably only bad quality or radio edit as you say.

It's both, actually. Sagan, a b-side for the Elan single, also leaked with it. Ironically enough the actual main attraction of the single, the full album version of Elan, didn't leak.
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Post by: adace on February 08, 2015, 04:04:23 PM
Elan is great. Love the beautiful folky melodies and lyrics. And Floor sounds phenomenal on it. Can't wait to hear the album version.

Sagan on the other hand I'm not too crazy about. Just doesn't seem nearly as inspired as Elan.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 08, 2015, 04:09:43 PM
Elan is great. Love the beautiful folky melodies and lyrics. And Floor sounds phenomenal on it. Can't wait to hear the album version.

Sagan on the other hand I'm not too crazy about. Just doesn't seem nearly as inspired as Elan.

It's good. A bit of a grower too, I think. First impressions were relatively 'meh,' but it grew on me with repeated listens. I quite like how the song builds up. The ending is terrific. :tup It all reminds me of a more folksy-sounding Nemo.

Sagan is fun, but the lyrics sound like they're probably really silly. Par for the course though with Tuomas. 
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Post by: 425 on February 08, 2015, 04:11:01 PM
So apparently the new single Elan got leaked which lead to NW posting a crazy all capital letter rant on Facebook which drove a lot of fans crazy. While leaking the song would upset a band, the reaction by the band was really unprofessional although not surprising

Honestly, I'm sick of leaks at this point, and I'm just a fan. If I was in a band I would definitely post an all-caps rant on Facebook. So I completely understand it. To me, saying that they're unprofessional for reacting that way is akin to saying "Man, that store manager was really unprofessional when he yelled at the person who snuck into the back room and stole a bunch of stuff."
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Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
So apparently the new single Elan got leaked which lead to NW posting a crazy all capital letter rant on Facebook which drove a lot of fans crazy. While leaking the song would upset a band, the reaction by the band was really unprofessional although not surprising

Honestly, I'm sick of leaks at this point, and I'm just a fan. If I was in a band I would definitely post an all-caps rant on Facebook. So I completely understand it. To me, saying that they're unprofessional for reacting that way is akin to saying "Man, that store manager was really unprofessional when he yelled at the person who snuck into the back room and stole a bunch of stuff."

I disagree, and I am not saying they shouldn't be mad.  There is just no need to publicly rant about it like cry babies.  The statement they released after was perfect and the way it should have been handled in the first place.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 08, 2015, 05:20:47 PM
So apparently the new single Elan got leaked which lead to NW posting a crazy all capital letter rant on Facebook which drove a lot of fans crazy. While leaking the song would upset a band, the reaction by the band was really unprofessional although not surprising

Honestly, I'm sick of leaks at this point, and I'm just a fan. If I was in a band I would definitely post an all-caps rant on Facebook. So I completely understand it. To me, saying that they're unprofessional for reacting that way is akin to saying "Man, that store manager was really unprofessional when he yelled at the person who snuck into the back room and stole a bunch of stuff."

I disagree, and I am not saying they shouldn't be mad.  There is just no need to publicly rant about it like cry babies.  The statement they released after was perfect and the way it should have been handled in the first place.

I'm with cramx3 on this one. The band could've handled their statement a lot more professionally than they initially did. Worse yet, they also uploaded a photo of the person that leaked the song (or the person they thought leaked it, can't remember) on their Facebook page too. I totally understand not being happy with leaks happening, but it's something that happens and something that should be dealt with professionally.
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Post by: lonestar on February 08, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
If I put countless hours of work into something, and some cocksucker stole it and put it out for everyone to have for free, I would rage in every fucking manner possible.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 08, 2015, 05:53:08 PM
They have every right to post what they posted.
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Post by: Zook on February 08, 2015, 06:03:46 PM
I couldn't help but be curiously when they posted what they did. No disrespect. I liked the song, and if that's just the demo, I can't wait for the finished version.


EDIT: Apparently whatever I listened to wasn't Elan, but I liked the mystery song more.
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Post by: 425 on February 08, 2015, 11:40:32 PM
I disagree, and I am not saying they shouldn't be mad.  There is just no need to publicly rant about it like cry babies.  The statement they released after was perfect and the way it should have been handled in the first place.

I'm with cramx3 on this one. The band could've handled their statement a lot more professionally than they initially did. Worse yet, they also uploaded a photo of the person that leaked the song (or the person they thought leaked it, can't remember) on their Facebook page too. I totally understand not being happy with leaks happening, but it's something that happens and something that should be dealt with professionally.

See, to me, once someone takes the steps needed to violate someone's personal, private property, then politeness has gone out the window. Same thing with professionalism as it directly relates to that topic. A thief hasn't earned politeness or professionalism. Just like a store owner yelling at, chasing off, calling the police on and putting up the picture of someone who attempt to steal from him, a band has every right to rant about and publicly name people who stole property from them. Someone who does that doesn't deserve respect, because they haven't shown any respect. So I see no problem with the way whoever runs the Nightwish Facebook reacted. In fact, I think I cheered out loud when I read their post, because I was pleased to see someone actually standing up against piracy unapologetically and unequivocally.
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Post by: ariich on February 09, 2015, 02:44:45 AM
Yeah I don't see a problem with calling out someone for illegally leaking something.
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Post by: Mindflux on February 11, 2015, 04:02:27 PM
Tickets for Dallas show are doneeeeeee.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 12, 2015, 02:20:36 AM
Finally got round to pre ordering the 3CD with the 10"LP
I ended up getting; the above mentioned, 2LP Splatter, Elan 10" and CD plus Omnium Gatherum LP with 30euro shipping, all up $190
Aussie dollar is poor against just about every currency right now.

To calm my blood pressure and bank account from spluttering I threw on Once 5.1 DVD, amazing sound lots you don't hear in the mix of the stereo version.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 12, 2015, 01:07:44 PM
Tuomas just released a video of himself talking about the leak. See, this I can get behind. He's calm and honest about what happened and how he and the rest of the band feel about it. Personally I feel far more sympathetic for him and the band from watching that video than their initial reaction to the whole mess was.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153049306464764

Moreover, I did a little bit more digging and I still maintain that they shouldn't have named that person publicly on Facebook. Apparently it seems like it's very likely that the woman they named was just a fan who was sharing the leak around and wasn't actually the leaker herself. But who knows.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 12, 2015, 11:10:19 PM
As a rule I don't normally buy digital music, but Nightwish and a couple of other bands are the exception.
So I was shocked find that Elan was nowhere to be found on iTunes and Google Australia.
Thus with modern times, I left a message on Roadrunner Australai's Facebook pages asking why it was missing?
Some 2 hours later I was able to purchase the Elan EP was a very reasonable $2.49.

Elan is a typical Nightwish pre album release single, not too heavy or bombastic, pretty safe straight ahead melodic rocker.
While I had my doubts about Floor singing old material, it only took the first line of this song to convince me of her being right for the band.
With her voice, presence and melody Nightwish finally sounds like they should have after Once.
The non album track Sagan is way better, offering a little more in the way of dynamics.
It also has an old Nightwish feels to it, Wishmaster era comes to mind.
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 12, 2015, 11:15:30 PM
If I put countless hours of work into something, and some cocksucker stole it and put it out for everyone to have for free, I would rage in every fucking manner possible.

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Post by: adace on February 13, 2015, 04:08:48 AM
Music vid for Elan is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPonioDYnoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPonioDYnoY)
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Post by: bl5150 on February 13, 2015, 04:28:22 AM
Sounds like a song written for Annette - Floor isn't even in 2nd gear.   I hope for much better from the "album tracks."

It does make sense as a single I suppose.
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Post by: aprilethereal on February 13, 2015, 05:14:46 AM
Not sure about this song.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2015, 05:28:47 AM
Sounds like a song written for Annette - Floor isn't even in 2nd gear.   I hope for much better from the "album tracks."

It does make sense as a single I suppose.

This.  Im not sure how I feel about the song.  Its solid, but its not something to get excited about.  Floor is great on it, but its not really using her full potential, or the entire band for that matter.  I want Marco vocals too!  Doesn't really change the excitement for the whole album though, im still pumped to hear the rest of the tracks.

Edit: after another 4 listens.... yea this song is pretty solid.  It didn't initially grab me like Storytime did, but I am really liking this. 
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Post by: Liampie on February 13, 2015, 06:47:59 AM
Frankly this sounds incredibly boring. There's nothing left from the way more exciting Oceanborn-Wishmaster era.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2015, 07:28:21 AM
Can anyone confirm if this was what was leaked?  More specifically is the video the single version or the album version? 
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Post by: ErHaO on February 13, 2015, 08:44:16 AM
It is the same song. Only the brief piano intro at the beginning of the clip was missing in terms of music as far as I notice.
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Post by: lonestar on February 13, 2015, 09:38:00 AM
Sounds like a song written for Annette - Floor isn't even in 2nd gear.

Very true, I'm sure they'll take full advantage of her skills though.
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on February 13, 2015, 10:00:09 AM

It's not bad, but it's not great, either. This is far from being a song/video that screams "we're back and better than ever!!!"

Floor certainly looks damn good, though.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 13, 2015, 10:17:25 AM
The radio edit version is 47 seconds shorter than the album version.

Yes it's a very safe song, I was expecting a hammer smash of a song with massive chorus and everything including the kitchen sink thrown in musically.
But after repeated listening I've found the song and melodies to be sublime.
Sagan is a great song too, I like it more than Elan.
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Post by: pfillion on February 13, 2015, 11:41:45 AM
Music vid for Elan is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPonioDYnoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPonioDYnoY)

I'm sorry to say that but new song is boring as hell.  :(

I hope that the rest of the album will be better...
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Post by: Zook on February 13, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
Whatever song I heard sounded way better than these two.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2015, 11:50:48 AM
Whatever song I heard sounded way better than these two.

What two? and whats the 3rd song?
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Post by: Zook on February 13, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
I heard a song that wasn't Elan or Sagan, but did sound like Nightwish, and was labelled as Elan.
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Post by: Evermind on February 13, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Yeah, well, I dunno, it's kind of on a predictable, safe and quite simple side, but I liked Elan rather a lot from my first spin. I'm not going to spin it more, but I think it worked well as a little taste of the whole album. Looking forward to my earbook.

However, I totally can agree with this:

Sounds like a song written for Anette - Floor isn't even in 2nd gear.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
I saw some comments on the youtube link saying that this is standard NW single (Imaginarium was the first new NW since I was a fan) and that Eva was the first single with Annette?  If thats the case, this song is a huge upgrade for a new single with a new singer.  I think its simply just a really safe and poppy type of song that works really well for a single.
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Post by: ErHaO on February 13, 2015, 01:48:13 PM
Yes Eva was their first single with Anette.

As for this song, it is pleasant to listen to but not something I'll revisit as a standalone song. Safe but nice. Also, Floor is not even in second gear nor does she need to be. I like her vocals here.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
That last chorus is fairly powerful from her and my favorite part of the song.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 13, 2015, 02:23:37 PM
It's a safe song to introduce the 'new' singer to Nightwish fans.
Definately a grower that gets better with each listen.
That said, I'm sure it fits in well with the rest of the album.
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Post by: Syzzle on February 13, 2015, 03:37:53 PM
I heard a song that wasn't Elan or Sagan, but did sound like Nightwish, and was labelled as Elan.
I heard the same song, and I agree about it being better.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2015, 04:00:32 PM
I heard a song that wasn't Elan or Sagan, but did sound like Nightwish, and was labelled as Elan.
I heard the same song, and I agree about it being better.

Well if Sagan and the unknown song are both considered better, than this album could be really good.
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Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
It's pleasant enough, but it's a waste of Floor's talent.

The main intro theme reminds me heavily of a very soft Amorphis.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 13, 2015, 05:14:35 PM
I love people complaining about the band not utilizing Floors vocals when no one's heard the whole album.
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Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2015, 05:16:03 PM
I love people complaining about the band not utilizing Floors vocals when no one's heard the whole album.

We're obviously talking about this song, not the album.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 13, 2015, 05:27:12 PM
The song is beautiful and somber. I enjoyed it and Floors soft vocals are lovely. 
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 14, 2015, 02:31:37 PM
It's a solid song that I'm sure will grow on me more when I listen to it in the flow off the album.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 14, 2015, 10:36:26 PM
I think there's going to be a lot of hugely disappointed fans who think that;
Floor Jansen + Nightwish = Massive operatic vocals and a return to the Nightwish style/sound of the first the  albums.
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 14, 2015, 10:42:45 PM
I'll give the album a chance but I'm not too hopeful.  Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by: aprilethereal on February 15, 2015, 10:44:42 AM
The main intro theme reminds me heavily of a very soft Amorphis.

My thoughts as well.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 16, 2015, 07:57:49 AM
I think the ´B´side ´Sagan´ is better...
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Post by: Evermind on February 16, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
The 11th episode is up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4DN5MtGQR4

I think I like Elan even better now. Very excited for the album.
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Post by: ErHaO on February 16, 2015, 10:04:59 AM
I think there's going to be a lot of hugely disappointed fans who think that;
Floor Jansen + Nightwish = Massive operatic vocals and a return to the Nightwish style/sound of the first the  albums.

I agree. But I do expect some operatic and rocking parts though, like Floor does live with Ghost Love Score. I am expecting the album to use her vocal versatility in a tasteful way. And I am expecting some awesome Marco vocals too.

People badly wanting the Tarja Nightwish should listen some of Xandria's stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx9OoLwiAho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx9OoLwiAho).

Nightwish moved on in a different direction (which I love).
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 16, 2015, 11:34:01 AM
Also, Floor is already sounding way better in the rehearsal footage....
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Post by: Randaran on February 16, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
I just finished my first listen of Elan. It was pretty good, though the video was meh. I look forward to hearing the rest of the record.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 18, 2015, 06:46:23 PM
So, since the release, I had my 3rd listen today to Elan.  I have to say, it's growing on me real fast.  I see how we might feel underwhelmed, but from listening to others I think we have really high hopes for Floor and this new album.  Her voice is actually really good in this song, again, the more I listen to it.  In all actuality, the only hesitation I have with the new album is the Richard Dawkins bit.  I'm OK with a darwinistic theme, but I'm not OK if it entails Intelligent design bashing.   I've always been turned off my bands that got too political, or bashed my beliefs.  One of the reasons I haven't really listened to Epica.  We shall see......
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Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2015, 07:02:22 AM
The song is definitely a grower, and I gave Sagan a few listens on youtube and I really enjoy that song too, maybe moreso than Elan and Sagan has kind of an Oceanborn feel to it. 

I just finished my first listen of Elan. It was pretty good, though the video was meh. I look forward to hearing the rest of the record.

I actually really like the video, apparently all the older people in the video are famous finnish actors and it took a really long time to make the video.  I particularly like the end of the video when everyone is in the bar enjoying the music, it goes well with the last chorus where we get a good taste of what Floor is capable of.

Also, Ive read through lots of comments on the videos and people are saying that the new album is NOT going to have Floor showing off her stuff.  Apparently what we get from Elan and Sagan is similar to what we will get for most of her performance on the album, although they say there is at least one song where she shows off more operatic vocals.  As far as I know, thats all just talk and rumor, but based on what has been released and the way the band has been trending over the years, I think that sounds plausible, just disappointing considering the talent they have on vocals now.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 19, 2015, 01:02:58 PM
I've been listening to Elan a lot lately and it's certainly grown on me, but the real highlight is definitely Sagan. Kinda surprised that one didn't make the album.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2015, 02:04:19 PM
I've been listening to Elan a lot lately and it's certainly grown on me, but the real highlight is definitely Sagan. Kinda surprised that one didn't make the album.

Maybe because of the lyrics?  Seems kind of cheesy to write a song about a person.  Also, NW has a few good bsides so its not out of the norm for them.

Im just hoping that an awesome b-side means the tracks that make the album are really good.
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Post by: 73109 on February 20, 2015, 03:33:53 PM
I absolutely love the song. I didn't really like Nightwish with Tarja and am currently very worried that they will revert to the overly bombastic, saccharine grossness that took up much of their Tarja years. Thus, the fact that this song is quite "big" yet isn't overly bombastic is great. If all of the songs could be in this vein, like chorus-wise, I'd be happy. It sounds like something I would expect from DDP/Imag. era Nightwish and that is what I want. I was devastated to hear that Anette was leaving because I thought she made the band. I'm a bit more optimistic after this.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2015, 04:21:34 PM
I absolutely love the song. I didn't really like Nightwish with Tarja and am currently very worried that they will revert to the overly bombastic, saccharine grossness that took up much of their Tarja years. Thus, the fact that this song is quite "big" yet isn't overly bombastic is great. If all of the songs could be in this vein, like chorus-wise, I'd be happy. It sounds like something I would expect from DDP/Imag. era Nightwish and that is what I want. I was devastated to hear that Anette was leaving because I thought she made the band. I'm a bit more optimistic after this.

I also liked Anette, but I think you have a minority opinion there.  I think this album will be something you will like though cause I dont think they are going back to the Tarja sound, but continue with the more Annette sounding albums especially given Elan which sounds like a perfect song for Anette.
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Post by: 73109 on February 20, 2015, 04:35:36 PM
I'm perfectly aware that my opinion is in the minority.

I do hope you're right. If they stick with the Anette sound, that'd be lovely. That way, the band could sound like they did the last two albums but with a bit more punch perhaps; I'm still skeptical about that part. I just loved DPP and Imaginaerum so much. The latter is one of my favorite albums of all time.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 20, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
I'm perfectly aware that my opinion is in the minority.

I do hope you're right. If they stick with the Anette sound, that'd be lovely. That way, the band could sound like they did the last two albums but with a bit more punch perhaps; I'm still skeptical about that part. I just loved DPP and Imaginaerum so much. The latter is one of my favorite albums of all time.

I think I'm in that minority with you.  Being new to Nightwish, I've tried to sample bits and pieces.  I've listened extensively to Once, Oceanborn, Dark Passion Play, End of an Era, Showtime/ Storytime, and Imaginaerum.  While I appreciate Tarja's skills and enjoy some songs, she's #3 on my NW vocalist rankings.  I think Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are just brilliant vocally.  Annette is fantastic!  As far as Floor, My first exposure to NW was Showtime, Storytime.  Her vocals are just spectacular and I can't WAIT to hear the new material.   I will as time goes by listen to all the rest of the band's material, maybe my Tarja opinion will change over time.
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Post by: 73109 on February 20, 2015, 05:35:01 PM
Yeah, I think a large part of which side you fall on is determined by which singer you heard first. I was hooked after Bye Bye Beautiful.
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Post by: Scorpion on February 20, 2015, 06:04:14 PM
While I agree with you from a pure singer perspective, Oceanborn is still my favourite album because the songwriting on that is unparalleled, in my opinion. Either that, or Angels Fall First. While I don't enjoy Tarja that much, those two albums are just packed full of the band's best songs.
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Post by: 425 on February 20, 2015, 06:08:33 PM
Oceanborn is an amazing album that doesn't get enough love around here. It's not my very favorite, but it's an extraordinarily enjoyable album.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on February 20, 2015, 07:38:57 PM
Yeah, I think a large part of which side you fall on is determined by which singer you heard first. I was hooked after Bye Bye Beautiful.
Tarja-era Nightwish was the very first symphonic metal band I'd ever heard so the bombastic, over-the-top nature really kind of blew me away. No matter how good Annette and Floor are at their particular sounds (and I quite like both of them) Tarja will always be my favorite so I think there's probably something to that theory.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 20, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
Oceanborn is an amazing album that doesn't get enough love around here. It's not my very favorite, but it's an extraordinarily enjoyable album.

It is probably my fave Nightwish album, well I know it's the most played NW disc in my collection.
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Post by: Mister Gold on February 23, 2015, 04:01:20 AM
Oceanborn is an amazing album that doesn't get enough love around here. It's not my very favorite, but it's an extraordinarily enjoyable album.

It is probably my fave Nightwish album, well I know it's the most played NW disc in my collection.

From what I've heard, Tuomas supposedly aimed for Endless Forms Most Beautiful to be a blend of sorts between Oceanborn and Once. If that's true and if he's pulled that off properly... I'm salivating at the possibilities. :metal

Either way, I suspect I'll be very satisfied regardless of what the album ends up sounding like. Floor is easily the best singer the band has ever had. :hefdaddy
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Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2015, 05:41:48 AM
Oceanborn is an amazing album that doesn't get enough love around here. It's not my very favorite, but it's an extraordinarily enjoyable album.

It is probably my fave Nightwish album, well I know it's the most played NW disc in my collection.

From what I've heard, Tuomas supposedly aimed for Endless Forms Most Beautiful to be a blend of sorts between Oceanborn and Once. If that's true and if he's pulled that off properly... I'm salivating at the possibilities. :metal

Either way, I suspect I'll be very satisfied regardless of what the album ends up sounding like. Floor is easily the best singer the band has ever had. :hefdaddy

Hmm, interesting.  Im a big Oceanborn fan myself.  It probably rates on the bottom half of NW albums, but thats only cause the competition is tough.  And I totally think Sagan has an oceanborn feel to it.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 26, 2015, 03:16:11 AM
I finally got around to getting the Tarja and Harus live CD.
I have to say I much prefer Tarja's post Nightwish material in this format, the classical soprano style.
Killer version of Walking In The Air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQNgUtJkKs
 and another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQU0NTCVh4k
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Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2015, 06:35:39 AM
Latest video

https://youtu.be/vv_nCG0jJVo (https://youtu.be/vv_nCG0jJVo)

I really enjoy this one, watching Floor sing.
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Post by: Randaran on March 07, 2015, 08:19:38 PM
Right now, I am listening to Once for the first time. And... just... damn. This may even beat out Century Child as my favorite Nightwish album.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 09, 2015, 09:15:33 AM
Right now, I am listening to Once for the first time. And... just... damn. This may even beat out Century Child as my favorite Nightwish album.

Awesome album, but for me as a noobie Nightwish person, Dark Passion Play is in the lead.  What a spectacular album!  Just put in my pre-order for the new one, and have my May 1 tix in hand!  :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on March 09, 2015, 09:29:34 AM
Right now, I am listening to Once for the first time. And... just... damn. This may even beat out Century Child as my favorite Nightwish album.

If you love those two albums that much, you really should check out the End of an Era DVD if you have not already.
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Post by: Randaran on March 09, 2015, 01:59:57 PM
Awesome album, but for me as a noobie Nightwish person, Dark Passion Play is in the lead.  What a spectacular album!  Just put in my pre-order for the new one, and have my May 1 tix in hand!  :metal :metal :metal

Eh, DPP is probably my least favorite of what I have listened to (CC onwards, though I plan to get the first three soon). It has some of their best songs, but a significant portion is somewhat unremarkable. Though who knows, I've only given it a few spins so far. It may grow on me.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 09, 2015, 04:28:24 PM
I realise that this might be an unpopular opinion, but while I enjoy Anette's and Floor's voices a lot more than I ever dug Tarja's, I would still say that Angels Falls First and Oceanborn are the two best Nightwish albums, simply because of the strength of the songwriting. Albums like Once and Century Child - hell, even Dark Passion Play - had their highlights, but also plenty of filler, but those two albums are just killer all the way through.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 09, 2015, 05:31:16 PM
Funny how are tastes vary so much with regards to the same band.  The spice of life I guess!  ;D  Of the albums I own, the ONLY one that I couldn't just listen to over...and over ...and over was Oceanborn.  A couple good songs, but otherwise not my cup of tea.  My next affter I absorb all DPP has to offer will be Century's Child.
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Post by: ariich on March 10, 2015, 01:02:22 AM
Funny how are tastes vary so much with regards to the same band.
Definitely. Those early albums just don't interest me at all. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 06:24:06 AM
Angels Fall First is a little more tough to listen to since it is very raw, but Oceanborn is really good IMO, still very raw but a significant improvement in song writing.
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Post by: aprilethereal on March 11, 2015, 12:54:37 PM
Once is by far my favorite. The best songwriting, decent  lyrics and no filler.
Btw, anyone else seeing them with Amorphis in December? :metal
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Post by: Fiery Winds on March 11, 2015, 03:15:24 PM
No, but I'm seeing them in SF in April!  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2015, 04:15:34 PM
And I am seeing them in April as well in NYC, with Delain and Sabaton.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 11, 2015, 09:44:36 PM
Am I alone in enjoying the original version of Sleeping Sun?
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 12, 2015, 05:21:06 PM
Just released by the band......  Intro track, "Shudder before the Beautiful"    Sounding good!  I'm assuming that's Richard Dawkins on the narrative?


https://www.hs.fi/mainos/advertoriaali/nightwish/
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Post by: Mister Gold on March 12, 2015, 07:46:12 PM
Just released by the band......  Intro track, "Shudder before the Beautiful"    Sounding good!  I'm assuming that's Richard Dawkins on the narrative?

https://www.hs.fi/mainos/advertoriaali/nightwish/

From what I've heard, yeah, that's Dawkins narrating at the start of the song.

Anywho... this song is infinitely better than Elan. This is what I envisioned the band would sound like with Floor at the helm. She's still showing some restraint at parts, but you can hear her voice building and escalating through out the song, rather than not pushing her at all until the very last part of the song. I also love how proggy this song is too! :metal
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 12, 2015, 08:06:54 PM


From what I've heard, yeah, that's Dawkins narrating at the start of the song.

Anywho... this song is infinitely better than Elan. This is what I envisioned the band would sound like with Floor at the helm. She's still showing some restraint at parts, but you can hear her voice building and escalating through out the song, rather than not pushing her at all until the very last part of the song. I also love how proggy this song is too! :metal

  I can see this being a great live tune for Floor, in the last 30 seconds or so her voice builds to an awesome crescendo.  Live, has a lot of potential for her to really shine.  This song has a real hard edge too.  Along with some great symphonics and Kai shows his stuff to me more than Elan.  I'm starting to get excited for the 31st!
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Post by: lonestar on March 12, 2015, 08:09:26 PM
No, but I'm seeing them in SF in April!  :metal

Awwwww yeah!!!!!!!  :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2015, 10:42:13 PM
Just released by the band......  Intro track, "Shudder before the Beautiful"    Sounding good!  I'm assuming that's Richard Dawkins on the narrative?


https://www.hs.fi/mainos/advertoriaali/nightwish/

Someone needs to photoshop oranges into Floor's hands in that pic.
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Post by: adace on March 13, 2015, 01:45:46 AM
Great song. I like Elan a lot but I still prefer hearing those heavy riffs. :metal
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 13, 2015, 04:03:34 AM
Ok that's more like!!! Epic and powerful and yes that's definitely Dawkins. Love the heavy riff section at 3:36.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2015, 05:41:58 AM
Fuck yea! This song is awesome and I love this quote from Tuomas:

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The core of "Shudder Before The Beautiful" lies in moments such as gazing at The Milky Way on a cold winter`s night, seeing a photo of our Planet Earth, "a pale blue dot" taken by Voyager 1 as a tiny oasis in the unfathomable vastness of space, or when listening to music which momentarily takes away all woe and time.
And sharing those moments with people you love
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 13, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
I like. Ordered. :yarr
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Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 13, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
Great song. I like hearing those heavy riffs. :metal

FTFM.


By the way, I think Kai Hahto does his work well in this record. Sounds just like Jukka. Maybe a little bit too much though, Kai is much better drummer than those really easy fills shows.
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Post by: aprilethereal on March 14, 2015, 11:13:27 AM
Wow, I did not expect that! Sounded really good, and reminded me of Once,  which is a good sign :metal
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Post by: Zook on March 14, 2015, 11:29:47 AM
That riff is almost identical to Storytime's, only sped up.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 14, 2015, 11:36:29 AM
That riff is almost identical to Storytime's, only sped up.

Yeah, I noticed that too. It's like Storytime and Dark Chest Of Wonders mixed together.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 14, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
That riff is almost identical to Storytime's, only sped up.

I heard that too....  Not a bad thing :)
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Post by: Zook on March 14, 2015, 06:39:42 PM
That riff is almost identical to Storytime's, only sped up.

I heard that too....  Not a bad thing :)


It kind of is.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2015, 06:50:07 PM
That riff is almost identical to Storytime's, only sped up.

I heard that too....  Not a bad thing :)


It kind of is.

Not IMO either.  They took things that worked in the past and added to it.  It certainly sounds like a NW opener but has its own rythm and feel to it even if the riff is similar.
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Post by: abydos on March 14, 2015, 06:51:33 PM
I enjoyed the music for the most part, especially the ending. But the majority of the vocal melodies seemed meh on first listen.
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Post by: Syzzle on March 15, 2015, 04:39:32 PM
After listening to Shudder Before The Beautiful and Your's Is An Empty Hope I'm beyond hyped for this album.
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Post by: yorost on March 16, 2015, 12:26:07 PM
Is it just me or does Elan and (at least the beginning of) Shudder sound rather passionless/mechanical? At least Shudder gets better, but I'm not looking forward to this album any longer.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
Is it just me or does Elan and (at least the beginning of) Shudder sound rather passionless/mechanical? At least Shudder gets better, but I'm not looking forward to this album any longer.

I think the vocals are a little low in the mix and Floor's voice doesnt come off as emotional or passion filled.  But otherwise, no I dont feel that.
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Post by: yorost on March 16, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
...nothing to do with Floor.
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Post by: Syzzle on March 17, 2015, 08:16:04 PM
Well it appears the album has already leaked going to have to wait till I get home from work to listen to it though going to be the longest 8 hours ever lol (Better than 2 more weeks though :lol)
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Post by: 73109 on March 17, 2015, 09:44:10 PM
Listening to it. Unsurprisingly not liking it very much. Tarja fans will probably like this one though. It just lacks the melody, scope, and beauty of the past two albums with Annette. Ah well...so it goes.
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Post by: adace on March 18, 2015, 12:28:37 AM
The album's definitely a grower. I do like it, but there's nothing here that can compete with my favorite NW tracks. I love the concept behind the album, but it lacks the diversity that the last two had.

Floor is a really good singer but here she sounds a bit too restrained and generic. Anette put a lot of passion into her delivery and made herself stand out, which is why I miss her in the band.

The good news is that Dawkins' parts are mercifully short and actually pretty tasteful, unlike the droning on Song of Myself.

Overall, I wouldn't call this essential Nightwish material, but it's definitely enjoyable.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 18, 2015, 05:54:19 PM
Please tell me that there's no more 7+ minutes of spoken poetry.
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Post by: Zook on March 18, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Actually, Dawkins raps on The Greatest Show on Earth.
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Post by: lonestar on March 18, 2015, 06:58:51 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Zook on March 18, 2015, 08:03:29 PM
That riff is almost identical to Storytime's, only sped up.

I heard that too....  Not a bad thing :)


It kind of is.

Not IMO either.  They took things that worked in the past and added to it.  It certainly sounds like a NW opener but has its own rythm and feel to it even if the riff is similar.

It shows a severe lack of originality. I'm a big Iced Earth fan, but I'll never deny that Jon Schaffer uses the same triplet riff over an over. It's kind of hilarious and sad.

I haven't listened to the whole album yet, but my current favorite is Weak Fantasy. That song is bad ass. The ballad is lackluster though.

For those who are complaining that Floor is restrained, do you want her to over sing? I don't understand that criticism. Just because a singer can belt it out doesn't mean they should. It still has to work within the song. I was kind of disappointed when Matt Barlow didn't wail in ever song on Pyramaze's Immortal, but he didn't have to. He did what was necessary.
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Post by: adace on March 20, 2015, 02:08:06 AM
This album's grown on me a lot. Absolutely love it now!

The ending to TGSOE is beautiful, it conjures up images of the Planet Earth and Cosmos series.

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Post by: Mister Gold on March 20, 2015, 03:16:55 AM
This album's grown on me a lot. Absolutely love it now!

The ending to TGSOE is beautiful, it conjures up images of the Planet Earth and Cosmos series.

I'm only just finishing my first listen now, but I'm already really, really loving it. Can't wait to see what all I'll pick up on in the repeated listens! :metal

Dare I say that TGSOE might be Nightwish's magnum opus?
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Post by: Evermind on March 20, 2015, 04:11:53 AM
I'm not going to listen until I get my earbook, so to avoid future spoilers, I think I'll be staying away from this thread for two weeks or so. Glad to see you guys are mostly enjoying it so far though.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2015, 08:07:37 AM
What is the release date on this?
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Post by: lonestar on March 20, 2015, 09:24:55 AM
March 27 (EU), March 30 (UK), 31 (us losers)
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Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2015, 11:31:59 AM
Thanks!
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Post by: Zook on March 20, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
Please tell me that there's no more 7+ minutes of spoken poetry.

Actually, there's like 5+ minutes of sound effects and Richard Dawkins' sexy voice narrating throughout the song.
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Post by: Syzzle on March 21, 2015, 09:16:29 AM
Right now Alpenglow and Endless Forms Most Beautiful are my top 2 songs on the album.

TGSOE has really grown on me I found it pretty underwhelming at first, but now I love it. I still would have cut the last couple minutes off though.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 23, 2015, 06:33:53 PM
I finally got myself a listen to the new Nightwish and I have mixed feelings about it.   First off - it's undoubtedly a very good album , very consistent with no real duds in contrast to an album like Imaginaerum which I felt had high highs but quite a few duds.    It's a heavy album with the expected Celtic flavour and overall it's a real enjoyable listen with lovely , if a bit familiar sounding, melodies etc.......

The big disappointment for me is how Floor Jansen has been used.   I come to this album as a Nightwish fan but an even bigger fan of Floor , especially her work on the final After Forever album.  The Showtime Storytime stuff and in particular the way she blitzed Ghost Love Score on that bonus footage had me drooling in anticipation for this album.

I know not everyone agrees with me but I wanted to see an album that was written to take full advantage of her power and ability to cover the operatic and metal sides better than anyone.  Instead she's very restrained , too low in the mix and IMHO is being used as a support/compliment to the music rather than a feature of the band. In many ways it sounds like an album written for Anette's range and Floor can just kick back with a beer and do this in her sleep.  She gives a good performance of course but there's no real fire to it , except on the epic The Greatest Show On Earth which kicks ass and is clearly Floor's best moment with good back and forward with Marco (who is very lightly used on the album.). 

It pains me to say it but if I were to compare them I'd much rather listen to Sharon (who I consider an inferior talent) on WT's The Unforgiving in terms of an overall vocal performance.....or Floor singing the old stuff live.

Having said all of the above I'd still rate the album around 85%.  I was just hoping for more from what I view as a marriage made in heaven.   I hope that Floor is given more input and room to shine on the next album.  The Greatest Show On Earth hints at what is possible.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 06:53:58 PM
I gave the album a few listens and while I think it is AWESOME, Floor is definitely not used to her full potential.  I also agree she is a little low on the mix and maybe that could help me feel like she is more powerful on the album, but she just isn't.  The songs don't call for it and I think thats just the way NW is these days and its NOT about the vocalist, but the band.  Oh well, I think the album is awesome and has potential to be one of their best if not their best, but I need to give it many more listens before saying that.  Ive listened to the first half about 5 times and the second half only twice.  So I haven't formed enough of a good opinion yet other than I really really like it so far and Floor does seem to not be used like we all know she is capable of.
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Post by: abydos on March 23, 2015, 06:56:18 PM
I've only listened to what has been released officially and it felt the same way - too safe. It's like you have anyone for a singer and not one of the most talented singers in rock.
Even if you're bummed out about it, don't count her out - maybe she'll totally own those songs live.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 06:59:05 PM
I've only listened to what has been released officially and it felt the same way - too safe. It's like you have anyone for a singer and not one of the most talented singers in rock.
Even if you're bummed out about it, don't count her out - maybe she'll totally own those songs live.

I dont necessarily find the rest of the album safe.  Not that its totally different either, but the album definitely has its own vibe while still being NW.  Elan was definitely a safe single though.  I also agree that maybe live, there will be more moments of "wow Floor killed it"
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Post by: lonestar on March 23, 2015, 09:09:30 PM
I agree that Floor will beat the crap out of this album live, it's gonna sound like a completely different album for sure.
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Post by: ariich on March 24, 2015, 01:05:55 AM
I don't agree at all that Floor is restrained on this album, but I think she in controlled. But that's her big skill, she has such power and mastery over her voice. She knows when to sing softly, when to sing "normally" and then when to belt it out. Honestly, I absolutely love her performance on this album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on March 24, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
Sorry to interrupt your discussion, just wanted to let you folks know, if you want to participate in upcoming Nightwish survivor, be sure to vote in this poll (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43455.0).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ? on March 24, 2015, 01:15:19 PM
EDIT: oops, wrong thread
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Post by: Evermind on March 24, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
While having SW and Gilmour on stage together would be cool as hell, there's no way in hell it'll ever happen. :P However, I'd love it if Steven got Åkerfeldt to join him for some Storm Corrosion songs.

Yeah man, I'm looking forward to that new Anathema DVD too. :lol
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Post by: ? on March 24, 2015, 01:57:30 PM
Oops, that's what you get for posting while watching TV at the same time! :lol

Well, since I happen to be in the NW thread I might as well comment on the new songs... Elan is a pretty safe single, but I've heard it on the radio a couple of times so it seems to be doing its job well. :P I like the modulation at the end, but the rest of the song fails to interest me. It's better than the opening track, though - how many times is Tuomas going to recycle that Master Passion Greed riff? :lol The soloing was kind of cool, but the song just screams "been there, done that".

BTW, both of the ex-singers have been appearing on Finnish TV lately - Tarja is a coach on The Voice of Finland, and Anette is competing in a show where artists have to perform songs from various genres outside their comfort zone.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
I wish we had TV shows with them here in the US...
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 24, 2015, 10:46:31 PM
waiting patiently for my pre-order CD to arrive....... ::)
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Post by: Evermind on March 25, 2015, 09:03:31 AM
waiting patiently for my pre-order CD to arrive....... ::)

Just got this e-mail:

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Hello,

You have ordered the new Nightwish album from our webshop. We are sorry to inform that we just got an information from Nightwish's record label Nuclear Blast that there's been a production delay at the factory with all Earbook and yellow vinyl editions and those editions are running late which means that we will get those items to our stock late. Since your order included earbook or/and yellow vinyl version of the album, we are not able to send your order to you in time. This same delay issue is with every reseller of these versions of the new Nightwish album. We should get these missing items to our stock early next week and we will ship your order to you as soon as the items arrive to our warehouse. You will get an information to your e-mail as soon as we have shipped your order to you.

This is very unfortunate situation and we are really sorry for the inconvenience. We hope that you can wait the new Nightwish album still for a few more days.

Great. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
That sucks... they should give you guys free digital versions on release day.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 25, 2015, 11:54:00 AM
That would be my thought too, you should at least get a download version.  I'm e is just the regular CD so if I read the note right I should be ok
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Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
I use amazon to digital download so it wont matter to me, but Id be livid if I couldn't listen to the album on release day.  I guess there are always other methods like youtube, but that sucks.
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Post by: Evermind on March 25, 2015, 12:07:54 PM
I ordered at Madsupply and I don't think we're getting a download version, at least there's no information about it or anything. And it's not only a matter of listening to music itself, sometimes with my favourite bands I just prefer to get into the album while reading the booklet (or, in that case, that huge earbook), skimming through the artwork and so on.

Short version of my post: that delay sucks.

And yeah, I guess the delay is only for earbooks and yellow vinyls.
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Post by: gazinwales on March 25, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
Pretty late in the day for productions delays?
You would have thought that all versions would have been already manufactured and shipped to the resellers?

Anyway glad I held off on the leak and my Japanese version should be waiting for me when I get home tonight.
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Post by: gazinwales on March 26, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
Seriously W*** T** F***
Really pissed off to see the the 'delayed' Earbook editions have already leaked in mp3 and FLAC versions.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 12:49:53 PM
Seriously W*** T** F***
Really pissed off to see the the 'delayed' Earbook editions have already leaked in mp3 and FLAC versions.

Why are you pissed?  Of course it was going to get leaked, thats the society we live in.  Right or wrong, just shouldn't be surprising.
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Post by: gazinwales on March 26, 2015, 01:18:03 PM
Read the above post about all Earbook versions being delayed for your answer.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 26, 2015, 01:28:51 PM
I am pretty sure he did read it.  That does not change anything he said.  I had the same reaction to your post.  I don't see anything to be surprised or pissed about.  And that includes the pre-order just being delayed in general.  Unfortunately, that kind of thing happens--A LOT.  It should not be surprising in the least (which is one of the reasons I rarely preorder; and when I do, I prep myself for the possibility that something will go wrong and I will actually get it after the release date).
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Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 01:49:57 PM
Yea I don't preorder because I like to listen to the music as soon as I can and pre-ordering just puts that idea at risk.  If anything, leaking the earbook version is a good thing for the delay because it allows (albeit illegal) way to get to at least listen to the music you paid for.  Im not condoning that route, just saying.  Like I said earlier, it would be an awesome gesture of the band to allow the people who have a delayed product to get a free digital version on release day, this way everyone can be happy and the band can actually get some good PR.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 04:35:57 PM
So the album is out in Europe already!  I guess I can openly comment on certain things without being spoiler material.

The spoken word on this album by Richard Dawkins is actually really awesome IMO.  I am not one to like spoken word on a music album, but it actually fits and the words themselves are thought provoking and interesting, not at all preaching or even about religion directly (possibly you could say its about a higher power). The song The Greatest Show on Earth is really making me want to go to a planetarium.  That intro feels like something you'd hear in the background while staring at stars and Dawkins voice just sounds like someone speaking over a moonlit sky.  Really awesome feeling. The song itself is a bit all over the place though, but I think it's good.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 27, 2015, 09:39:07 PM
It's an awesome album. Exactly what I expected having Floor as their new singer.

Elan, reminds me of Nemo.
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Post by: gazinwales on March 27, 2015, 11:48:00 PM
Pretty much my thought too.
Played it twice already, pretty solid so far, but this one is definately a grower.

BTW, the Japanese bonus DVD turns out to be the YT clips of the 'making of the new album' all put together and the video of Elan.
Ah well at least I'm not waiting for Mad Supply to send me my Earbook/Vinyls.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 29, 2015, 02:55:04 AM
On my first listen. Yep, like it so far. Nice crunchy riffs. Beautiful ballads. Agree that Floor doesn´t go ´all out´. But I´m sure she´ll compensate for that plenty live.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 29, 2015, 08:05:54 AM
The part on TGSOE with Floor and Marco is probably the highlight of the album, one of the parts where Floor does go all out and it's just amazing.
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Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 01:30:09 PM
No one answered this when I posted it so again: why does Floor need to go all out just because she can?
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Post by: ariich on March 29, 2015, 02:58:37 PM
No one answered this when I posted it so again: why does Floor need to go all out just because she can?
She doesn't. I don't really understand why anyone would complain that she's "restrained". She goes absolutely all out in a few places, which is more exciting because it's only when the music calls for it. I don't see anyone complaining that Steven Wilson didn't fill his latest two albums with crazy guitar solos just because he has Guthrie Govan in his band.

Floor sounds amazing on this album. I think it might be my favourite Nightwish album.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 29, 2015, 03:12:41 PM
I haven't heard the album yet...truing not to cheat by listening to youtube tracks.  I did however watch an interview with her and Marco, and I got the impression that she would like to have been involved in the writing process. She also mentions that she basically showed up early (according to the schedule) to be part of the overall recording process.

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Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 03:15:08 PM
I haven't heard the album yet...truing not to cheat by listening to youtube tracks.  I did however watch an interview with her and Marco, and I got the impression that she would like to have been involved in the writing process. She also mentions that she basically showed up early (according to the schedule) to be part of the overall recording process.



She said in another interview that she wanted to focus on singing lower. She wanted to work on that aspect or something.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 29, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
I haven't heard the album yet...truing not to cheat by listening to youtube tracks.  I did however watch an interview with her and Marco, and I got the impression that she would like to have been involved in the writing process. She also mentions that she basically showed up early (according to the schedule) to be part of the overall recording process.



She said in another interview that she wanted to focus on singing lower. She wanted to work on that aspect or something.

I read in a review, here again I haven't heard the album, that her vocal range was pretty broad on this album?  She sounds great in the stuff I've heard with her in the lower registers.  That being said, her upper register soars so beautifully...i.e. Ghost Love Score
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Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
She sounds fine on EFMB. For some reason it seems people here just want her to belt it out anywhere and everywhere even if it doesn't require it.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 29, 2015, 04:24:16 PM
Anyone else see this or hear anything about Jukka playing at the Rock for Rio show in September?  On the NW Tour page it says...

 25 Sep 2015 Rio, BR  .....Rock in Rio with Jukka Nevalainen


https://nightwish.com/en/live

On the Rock and Rio line up page too :)  Good to hear!

https://rockinrio.com/rio/en/line-up/

**edit....  also on his FB page.  I wonder if the one show might be recorded?   One of the Admins on the Nightwish forum said Kai told them it will be a guest appearance for 1 song at that show.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 29, 2015, 06:34:10 PM
That sounds awesome!

Really digging the song Edema Ruh at the moment. This albums very good, I can't stop listening.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 29, 2015, 07:02:52 PM
She sounds fine on EFMB. For some reason it seems people here just want her to belt it out anywhere and everywhere even if it doesn't require it.

OK- I'll bite .  You're obviously very passionate about this matter  :lol  It's just a few opinions (one which seems very common outside of DTF too) but I'll expand on mine a bit.




The big disappointment for me is how Floor Jansen has been used.   I come to this album as a Nightwish fan but an even bigger fan of Floor , especially her work on the final After Forever album.  The Showtime Storytime stuff and in particular the way she blitzed Ghost Love Score on that bonus footage had me drooling in anticipation for this album.



I know not everyone agrees with me but I wanted to see an album that was written to take full advantage of her power and ability to cover the operatic and metal sides better than anyone.  Instead she's very restrained , too low in the mix and IMHO is being used as a support/compliment to the music rather than a feature of the band. In many ways it sounds like an album written for Anette's range and Floor can just kick back with a beer and do this in her sleep.  She gives a good performance of course but there's no real fire to it , except on the epic The Greatest Show On Earth which kicks ass and is clearly Floor's best moment with good back and forward with Marco (who is very lightly used on the album.). 



I have no way of knowing the basis for others' anticipation for this album  but , aside from being a fairly casual fan of the band,  mine was in large part based around being a long time fan of Floor and the particular vocal style she used in bands like After Forever.  That style - plenty of operatic and lots of powerful rock singing-  is mostly absent from this record and therefore, along with her being too low in the mix for me (which is a large part of it) , I'm a bit disappointed.  She's mentioned here and there that she'd like to eventually have more songwriting input and that's a part of it too.  IMHO she is a complement to the music in Nightwish rather than the feature like she has been in past bands and that might be fine for some. 

For the record I'd rather listen to the new Nightwish than ReVamp...............and there she really was going "all out" , so that addresses that I hope.

I still gave the album 85% and said Floor gives a good performance.  Floor at 60-70% is still very pleasant to listen to and better than most.

In DT terms I equate it to the next album containing a whole lot of songs where JLB keeps it to only 60% of his regular power/range and it all sounds rather middle of the road compared to past material.  Or I buy a new Jorn Lande album and he sounds like he's channeling Billy Joel.......slight exaggeration perhaps :lol  We all have our hopes and expectations based on past experience with an artist and Floor hasn't met many peoples on this album.  Simple as that.   If she's met yours then that's great  :tup
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Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 07:15:33 PM
I like Floor, she sounds great. Her version of Ghost Love Score is one of my favorite songs ever, although I still prefer the original just because of the studio crispness. I guess they're neck and neck. Anyway, although she goes all out on ReVamp, that band is boring. Yes, she's a tad low in the mix on the new NW, but it wouldn't sound right if she was cranked up and wailing when it wasn't necessary. I think she's used just fine.

I like Amanda Somerville more than Floor, and I wish Amanda would do more albums.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 29, 2015, 07:19:34 PM
. Yes, she's a tad low in the mix on the new NW, but it wouldn't sound right if she was cranked up and wailing when it wasn't necessary.

I agree with that ..........the songs obviously weren't written with her full capabilities in mind and that's a big part of it.   I don't blame Floor at all - she's done what the songwriters expected and what fits those songs.

Her version of Ghost Love Score is one of my favorite songs ever

I also agree with that and actually this was a big part of further heightening my expectations for what Nightwish+Floor could be.  For mine she's not even close to this level on the new album for the reasons we have discussed.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 29, 2015, 07:34:14 PM
The songs on this album do not call for huge vocals.  I think people thought the band might write music that could use her operatic style and power, but for the most part they did not.  Floor is still fantastic on this album, she just doesn't show it all off which is fine, cause the music is great without it and where it calls for it, she delivers.  I'm having a hard time finding something significant to complain about with the album so far.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 30, 2015, 05:40:53 PM
Got my copy today.  LOVE IT!  I've listened to it probably 4x through now and really enjoying it.  The one exception, is the epic.  I'm sorry.... but it probably ranks as my least favorite +15 min song, ever.  Minus a few minutes it just sounds like a movie soundtrack to me....I want too watch the movie that it goes to!  THAT would be interesting.  We'll see as time wears on...but I seriously doubt it will grow on me much.  I just hope they don't play it on the upcoming tour.  That would replace 4-6 great songs.
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Post by: lonestar on March 31, 2015, 10:18:20 AM


I like Amanda Somerville more than Floor, and I wish Amanda would do more albums.

Hmmm, hard to choose between the two..... maybe both at the same time  :biggrin:
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 01, 2015, 10:14:03 AM
Floor´s gettin´ready....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11061230_1612177775679700_8389127612189867049_n.jpg?oh=167aee5500760f26584d3b32f9aa4b9e&oe=55A25512&__gda__=1436259373_de4ae4df9bc8946bb2f024beaec45c53)

Getting ready for the tour! Often I get asked what I do to keep my voice in shape. Well, the voice is part of the body so the entire system needs to be healthy! A good condition is essential to have a good resistance. Next to that it's important during a show because you need a lot of muscles to power, the voice itself is a tiny muscle that vibrates but shouldn't be pushed. Healthy food and enough sleep are also a must! You need to organize this for yourself and keep guard without over-analyzing everything! A good party or glass of wine is mental food that is also important, a good mind set just as powerful as a healthy body! Voice wise I'm set with these things, I can sing endlessly long but talking loud or breathing in smoke is terrible so I must avoid this.
 I've been working out in this cool gym in my new home town Joensuu So, I'm getting ready to hit te road! North America first! Are you ready? #worldtour #Nightwish #fittari #joensuu #voice #health #sports #happy #newalbum #newyork #endlessformsmostbeautiful
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Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
Commented on that post on IG with a "See you next week in NY" lol Im super pumped for the first show of the tour!
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Post by: bosk1 on April 02, 2015, 09:39:45 AM
Picked this up yesterday.  They had the standard and the special edition.  Since the only thing extra the special edition offered was the disc of instrumental-only tracks, I went with the standard.  I have not gotten through the entire thing yet, but when I first popped it in, I was immediately struck with how low in the mix Floor is at the start of Shudder Before The Beautiful.  In fact, overall, I will say that the mix sounds strange to me.  But at least Floor clicked up a notch about halfway through the song.

Before the guitar kicked in, I was laughing to myself a bit, having read the posts about it being basically a "recycled" riff.  I could tell from the other instruments and the drum pattern (which is a VERY Jukka drum pattern) exactly what the guitar riff was going to be.  Truly "Nightwish by numbers," and that's perfectly fine. 

I will say, however, that I am underwhelmed thus far.  It is a combination of things, really.  Part of it is that, based on what we knew going in, I was a bit put off already before I even heard a single note.  But despite that, I am doing my best to give it a fair shake.  Another part is Floor.  I had read the varying opinions about her singing and how some felt that she sounded too restrained, while others argued that what she was singing fit the songs.  Not having heard it yet when I read those comments, my first instinct was to side with those who say that if the vocals fit what the song is calling for, that is the most important thing--not that Floor try to wow us by belting out every note.  But having listened to it, I am somewhere in the middle.  I think there are definitely parts of some songs where I feel like she SHOULD be going for it more, and it actually holds the song back when she doesn't. 

Anyhow, those are just some preliminary thoughts.  More later once I have taken this in a bit more.
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Post by: Randaran on April 02, 2015, 07:52:59 PM
I'm currently listening to EFMB for the first time, and am really liking it. If it retains the quality of the first few songs for the entire album, this may be their best release since Once.

Edit: The final song was rather disappointing, but the album was otherwise really good.
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Post by: gazinwales on April 02, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
I really didn't know what to expect with EFMB.
I'm a massive NW fan, but not a fanboy that worships all of their material.

After 3 listens, I am pretty much satisfied with the album.
I don't think it will ever scale the heights of Ocean/Oceanborn for me, but it's a pretty safe and solid release.
Interesting to see Marco getting some (multiple) songwriting credits, I don't think I've ever seen anything but TH (I checked Imaginaerum he got one with The Crow).

It's going to take another dozen or so plays before I can rank it with the rest of the NW catalogue.
I'm looking forward to hearing the instrumental and orchestral versions, to hear what's going on behind the vocals.
That way I'll get a lot more insight and appreciation for the music itself.

Hopefully NW will return to Australia for s few gigs this tour and see how this come off live.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 03, 2015, 10:59:29 AM
I think EFMS should have been the single.  Pretty straight forward awesome NW song where Floor sounds good and has a cool instrumental part.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 03, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
After a few spins, I feel as though Floor was underutilized, and was too low in the mix, but despite that, there are some moments where she sounds incredible.

I'm digging this album about the same as I dug the last one. About half the songs are keepers, about half the songs are ones that I won't go out of my way to listen to.

But the Greatest Show on Earth..... wow.... I was initially underwhelmed, but man has it grown on me? And absolutely incredible experience and among this band's greatest pieces.
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Post by: JLa on April 03, 2015, 04:14:17 PM
I want to like Nightwish, I really do. Ever since I first heard "Ghost Love Score" (and was like woooooow), I've been interested whenever they've released new stuff. I always end up with the same impression, though. The instrumental/orchestrated parts are awesome, but the vocal parts (and the music behind it) sound too generic "power metal" and uninspiring to me.

So, I gave "Shudder Before The Beautiful" a listen today. The opening, wow. 11/10. Amazing. Then Floor comes in, the band steps back a little, the drummer sound like he could have been replaced by a drum machine, and I'm quickly getting bored. Again. However, Floor's voice suits this music far better than Anette's did.

Not totally convinced this time around either. But those orchestrations ... damn!

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Post by: bosk1 on April 03, 2015, 04:36:00 PM
So, I gave "Shudder Before The Beautiful" a listen today. The opening, wow. 11/10. Amazing. Then Floor comes in, the band steps back a little, the drummer sound like he could have been replaced by a drum machine, and I'm quickly getting bored. Again. However, Floor's voice suits this music far better than Anette's did.

IMO, the album starts and ends with its weakest material.  I would give the rest a listen before forming an opinion.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 03, 2015, 05:29:55 PM
I listened to it 2 times, and first impressions are that it's quite underwhelming, from a songwriting stance. Nothing's really catching with me.

The last 2 tracks are amazing, though. 'Eyes' is a cool instrumental, I can see it being featured in Game of Thrones  :biggrin:
The Greatest Show On Earth is one I've been playing on repeat. Powerful melodies, very cohesive. It's been stuck in my head all week!
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Post by: wolfking on April 03, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
As a casual Nightwish fan, I had a listen to this new one and it didn't do anything for me at all to be honest.
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Post by: gazinwales on April 03, 2015, 09:12:25 PM
Actually my only real issue with EFMB is the lack of Marco's voice.
He is pretty much MIA for the whole album, bar a few lines.
I know it's Floor's show, but his performances since he joined always added something to the NW sound.
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Post by: 425 on April 03, 2015, 11:12:20 PM
Here's kind of my lengthy first impression after two listens:

This album kind of reminds me of Dark Passion Play. It has an epic, a couple of different-sounding songs, and a bunch of songs that all have a pretty similar sound to each. I think Endless Forms Most Beautiful is somewhat better from a songwriting standpoint than Dark Passion Play, though.

In my two listens, I've basically felt the album had two parts: Shudder Before the Beautiful through Alpenglow, and the last two songs. I'll talk about each part successively.

The main sequence of songs, tracks 1-9, definitely include a lot of songs with a similar vibe to each other, much like tracks 2-9 on DPP do. Fortunately, the songwriting is pretty good. Shudder Before the Beautiful is an electric opener. I know some people have gotten tired of them opening their shows so often with Dark Chest of Wonders, but in fairness, that song was a dynamite opener. Shudder Before the Beautiful (which is, in fairness, a bit derivative) is right up there in energy. Hopefully they open with it on the tour. Weak Fantasy is another really energetic follow-up that should be great live. As the album goes on, it does get a little tiring due to some of the sameness, but I would argue that each song is good on its own. I'd say Our Decades in the Sun, My Walden and Edema Ruh are highlights. Alpenglow is a really good closer for the first part of the album, kind of like how Last Ride of the Day was a good semi-closer on Imaginaerum. The music is pretty epic and due to that and the lyrics of the song ("Time to rest now and to finish the show / And become the Music, one with alpenglow"), I rather hope that they close with it the same way they closed the Wacken concert with Last Ride. Honestly, as I listened to this album, a lot of what I thought about is how these songs would do live. I think a lot of them will be just fantastic in that setting, especially the first two and Alpenglow.

The last two songs take the album in a whole new direction. The Eyes of the Sharbat Gula is a pretty cool instrumental that is quite different from Nightwish. To me it is a bit reminiscent of Tuomas's solo album, though not in any overtly derivative way. Kind of cool to hear some of that songwriting style in Nightwish. The Greatest Show On Earth is a whole new monster. I'm not sure I can definitively say how much I like it after just two listens, but it's definitely the most ambitious thing that Tuomas has ever written. It's a definite journey that travels through a series of moods and ideas. The intro in particular is fantastic, but the whole thing is an enjoyable experience. I'm just unable to say at this point where it belongs among the other Nightwish epics, because those are among my very favorite songs by the band.

I appreciate the continued presence of the Nightwish-style rhythm section. I suppose Kai Hahto has worked before as Jukka's drum tech? In any case, he does a pretty good Jukka (maybe Jukka helped write the drum parts to an extent as well?), and seems to be a good drummer in his own right (he grooves very well in Weak Fantasy). He works very well alongside Marco to maintain Nightwish's quality rhythm parts. Emppu seems to have a bit more of a presence here than on the last few Nightwish albums as well—he's still mostly understated as is his style in this band, but he does get a cool solo in Shudder.

Vocally, Floor is pretty good. I feel like some people had expectations that were a little too high for what she was doing. Personally, I did not set my expectations with reference to Floor's collected works, but with reference to how Tuomas is writing vocal melodies at this time. He's spent two albums writing for Anette Olzon, and even on Once he was moving towards a less operatic, more straightforward style of vocal melody. Maybe on the next album he'll stretch out a bit more to Floor's capabilities, like he did a bit on The Greatest Show On Earth, but the way Tuomas wrote vocal melodies on this album is pretty much in line with how he has liked to do that since at least 2004. And I think the melodies are pretty good. Anyway, Floor nails it. My standard of how good the female vocals are on this album is that I feel they are an upgrade from Imaginaerum, and I say this for all that I like Anette. Floor is just in another league. She also showcases quite a lot of versatility, in my opinion.

What's most notable, perhaps (and as we saw hinted at times on Showtime, Storytime, like Ghost River), is that she is basically directly challenging Marco over the aggressive parts. Marco was able to push around Anette vocally, but he can't do that with Floor, because she pushes back hard. She's just as powerful as he is, which I think is pretty cool. The downside here is that, as gazinwales said, we get very little Marco singing on this album, which I think is a by-product of Tuomas needing to find a new way to use him that isn't just "give him the aggressive parts that Tarja/Anette can't do." I think we saw the beginnings of that with how well Marco was used for texture at times, singing basically behind Floor, like on the Weak Fantasy chorus. Still, it would have been nice to have at least one Marco-led song, maybe in the vein of The Islander or The Crow, the Owl and the Dove. Hopefully next album Tuomas will figure out a little better how to get more Marco in vocally.

Overall, I can't complain about this album. On 9 songs out of 11, this is the Nightwish album I expected. It doesn't wow me, but all of those songs are pretty good. They're like a (probably) better version of the main sequence of Dark Passion Play. Really maintains Tuomas's generally high quality of songwriting. The last two songs don't contain much that I've never heard before from Tuomas, but they still bring in some innovations. The Greatest Show On Earth flows really well and is at least good enough to consider Nightwish's first foray into the 20+ minute field to be a success.

To wrap up (tl;dr): Endless Forms Most Beautiful is not the burst of creativity that Imaginaerum was. That is a lovely, exciting and diverse album that rises and falls perfectly, never getting boring through its nearly 80 minute duration. EFMB isn't near that in terms of sheer creativity. However, it is a solid entry in the Nightwish discography. The songwriting is quite strong, even in its experiments like in the epic, and the performances are good. Overall, I'm pretty happy, if not overjoyed, with this album.
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Post by: Cruithne on April 06, 2015, 02:45:00 AM
I'm really enjoying the album. I don't think it's the most powerful album in terms of instant impact, but it's one of the more consistent Nightwish records.

The only issue I have with it is the god-awful Richard Dawkins rambling in The Greatest Show On Earth.
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Post by: Zook on April 06, 2015, 09:21:27 AM
I love the spoken word by Dawkins. It really adds a lot to the song.
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Post by: 425 on April 06, 2015, 09:40:16 AM
I'm with Zook. And even if you don't think it adds to the song, I don't really see "rambling." It's pretty to-the-point, especially compared to the spoken part of Song of Myself.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2015, 10:05:43 AM
I actually think the spoken word is a highlight of the album for me and that is something I thought Id never say and I previously disliked all of NWs spoken word used.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 06, 2015, 02:35:16 PM
Yeah I have no problem with the spoken word segments.  They're short and succinct.  I was initially worried about Dawkins, that it might be some controversial dialogue.  The issue I have with TGSOE is the massive amounts of what I consider dead time.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2015, 03:27:44 PM
Yeah I have no problem with the spoken word segments.  They're short and succinct.  I was initially worried about Dawkins, that it might be some controversial dialogue.  The issue I have with TGSOE is the massive amounts of what I consider dead time.

Yes, that is my problem as well.  The long intro is pretty nice IMO, but it feels even longer because there is a 6 minutes mostly keyboard driven instrumental before it so it feels like 10 minutes of dead time although I actually enjoy the music itself there, it just feels like it drags a bit.  Then when the band kicks in there are two seperate parts of animal noises and then the really long outro which could be significantly cut.  The song itself is pretty good, but if they shortened it by like 10 minutes, I think it would have been a lot better and easier to swallow.
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Post by: Randaran on April 06, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
When I first heard the album, I liked everything except for the epic. Now, even that has grown on me. Sure, it is overly long, but even that works in its favor. Everything after Dawkins' narration is relaxing, allowing the listener to contemplate the overall message of the record. If the album ended on a bombastic note, this reflective quality would have been lost. The record is better off with the ambient ending it currently has.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 07, 2015, 07:52:46 AM
When I first heard the album, I liked everything except for the epic. Now, even that has grown on me. Sure, it is overly long, but even that works in its favor. Everything after Dawkins' narration is relaxing, allowing the listener to contemplate the overall message of the record. If the album ended on a bombastic note, this reflective quality would have been lost. The record is better off with the ambient ending it currently has.

Interesting point you make about the ending and contemplation time.  I'll listen to it today and not forward through, trying to conciously do the "Relax/contemplation" thing :)  See if that works for me.
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Post by: aprilethereal on April 07, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
I just turn off the album right before he starts narrating. I have no desire to hear minutes of narration of an awful poem once again.
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Post by: Zook on April 07, 2015, 01:41:08 PM
I just turn off the album right before he starts narrating. I have no desire to hear minutes of narration of an awful poem once again.

I don't know what the first passage at the end is from, but I'm pretty sure the second one is from Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species as it has the "Endless forms most beautiful" line. Hardly awful. Did you even listen to them before declaring them to be awful?
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Post by: Randaran on April 07, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
I feel the same way; the narration on this album is much more bearable than on Imaginaerum, due to both its reduced quantity and less pretentious (though that is not quite the word I am looking for) subject matter.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
I just turn off the album right before he starts narrating. I have no desire to hear minutes of narration of an awful poem once again.

I don't know what the first passage at the end is from, but I'm pretty sure the second one is from Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species as it has the "Endless forms most beautiful" line. Hardly awful. Did you even listen to them before declaring them to be awful?

To each their own, but its certainly not a poem so I question if you listened as well and the subject matter of the spoken word is the same subject of the lyrics to the song and the theme of the album. It fits very well IMO.
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Post by: Zook on April 07, 2015, 02:42:49 PM
I just turn off the album right before he starts narrating. I have no desire to hear minutes of narration of an awful poem once again.

I don't know what the first passage at the end is from, but I'm pretty sure the second one is from Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species as it has the "Endless forms most beautiful" line. Hardly awful. Did you even listen to them before declaring them to be awful?

To each their own, but its certainly not a poem so I question if you listened as well and the subject matter of the spoken word is the same subject of the lyrics to the song and the theme of the album. It fits very well IMO.

Absolutely. Along with the music, it's beautifully epic.
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Post by: aprilethereal on April 08, 2015, 11:00:30 AM
I honestly haven't listened n to it, the first couple of verses were enough. I'll probably listen to the entire thing sometime soon though, but since I really don't like his narration when it appears earlier on the album, I doubt I'll like five minutes of it at the end. 
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Post by: Zook on April 08, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
There is no five minute narration. The first one is 25 seconds, the second is 1 minute 6 seconds, and the 3rd one is 24 seconds.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 08, 2015, 11:04:20 AM
Either way, it isn't very good.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
Please listen before you say something is awful.  If you dont like it, thats cool.  I hated the spoken word at the end of Song of Myself, but I at least listened to it before forming that opinion and obviously listened to the spoken word on TGSoE which I felt was light years better.
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Post by: Zook on April 08, 2015, 11:09:08 AM
I edited my post with exact times. And no surprise that you don't like it, Bosk.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 08, 2015, 11:09:28 AM
Please listen before you say something is awful.  If you dont like it, thats cool.  I hated the spoken word at the end of Song of Myself, but I at least listened to it before forming that opinion and obviously listened to the spoken word on TGSoE which I felt was light years better.
???  I have listened to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 08, 2015, 11:11:45 AM
I've listened to this album about eight times during the last three days, and the part of Dawkins narration in TGSOE towards the end, starting with "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones" is the pinnacle of the album for me. I think the Darwin quote in the very end is unnecessary, but otherwise the narration is amazing.

I've had the same kind of problem with Song of Myself. I loved the narration here too, I still do, but after "I've never been so close to truth, and then I touched its silver lining" it becomes unnecessary, in my opinion. Still, some moments of it, like "It was us, roaming the rainy roads" part and the following "Beyond all mortality we are" are absolutely glorious.

More thoughts on the actual album later.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 08, 2015, 11:13:50 AM
I'm getting a serious boner for this show later this month. The album has "Floor will kill it live" written all over it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2015, 11:27:02 AM
Please listen before you say something is awful.  If you dont like it, thats cool.  I hated the spoken word at the end of Song of Myself, but I at least listened to it before forming that opinion and obviously listened to the spoken word on TGSoE which I felt was light years better.
???  I have listened to it.

Wasnt meant for you

Was regarding this:

I just turn off the album right before he starts narrating. I have no desire to hear minutes of narration of an awful poem once again.

I honestly haven't listened n to it, the first couple of verses were enough. I'll probably listen to the entire thing sometime soon though, but since I really don't like his narration when it appears earlier on the album, I doubt I'll like five minutes of it at the end. 

I'm getting a serious boner for this show later this month. The album has "Floor will kill it live" written all over it.

I'll have an opinion on that Thursday night or Friday morning  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 08, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
I'm getting a serious boner for this show later this month. The album has "Floor will kill it live" written all over it.

*takes half a step backward*
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 08, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
I've had the same kind of problem with Song of Myself. I loved the narration here too, I still do, but after "I've never been so close to truth, and then I touched its silver lining" it becomes unnecessary, in my opinion. Still, some moments of it, like "It was us, roaming the rainy roads" part and the following "Beyond all mortality we are" are absolutely glorious.

I agree that the Song of Myself narration is hit-and-miss. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the first part, where he's talking about finding beauty in ugly things, but I absolutely love the parts you named ("It was us... Beyond all mortality we are..."). I could go line-by-line picking out parts that I love and parts that rub me the wrong way, but on the whole I think the narration even in that song is pretty well done and I would rather have it than not, for those glorious moments and for the way even things I find personally disagreeable are pretty well expressed.

And I love "And there forever remains the change from G to E minor"



I suppose no one really wanted to read/respond to my behemoth post from a few days back that gave my thoughts on the album, so I'll give a brief update here: I'm really liking this record. It won't be my favorite Nightwish album, I don't think it'll top Imaginaerum, but it is a worthy entry into their discography with some really really good songs.

Favorites: Shudder Before the Beautiful, Weak Fantasy, Edema Ruh, Alpenglow

Too early to say, but could easily become a favorite because of how well written and constructed it is: The Greatest Show On Earth
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 08, 2015, 12:31:00 PM
I could go line-by-line picking out parts that I love and parts that rub me the wrong way, but on the whole I think the narration even in that song is pretty well done and I would rather have it than not, for those glorious moments and for the way even things I find personally disagreeable are pretty well expressed.

Yeah, those are my thoughts exactly. I like some of the first part sections though, "I see a beaten dog in a pungent alley" and "A mother visits her son, smiles to him through the bars, she's never loved him more" are amazing, and "A city that worships flesh" line makes a terrific transition into the next part of narration.

And I've read your behemoth post, I was going to address it in my post with all the thoughts about the new album (and I'm still going to, actually). I think I'll write it on the weekend, need to spin the album few more times.

Curiously enough, as of now my favourite track is probably Elan.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2015, 12:53:31 PM
I suppose no one really wanted to read/respond to my behemoth post from a few days back that gave my thoughts on the album, so I'll give a brief update here: I'm really liking this record. It won't be my favorite Nightwish album, I don't think it'll top Imaginaerum, but it is a worthy entry into their discography with some really really good songs.

Favorites: Shudder Before the Beautiful, Weak Fantasy, Edema Ruh, Alpenglow

Too early to say, but could easily become a favorite because of how well written and constructed it is: The Greatest Show On Earth

I read it.  I actually still think this album has potential to be my favorite, but right now its still behind Once.  Time will tell where it finally lands cause the newness is definitely weighing heavily on my favoritism towards it, but I think I can say it is definitely better then Imaginareum at this point.  I just think it is more consistent overall.  I find EVERY song on EFMB to be at least good and some to be very good.

I guess I will throw out my initial song rankings, ive had enough listens now to form that much of an opinion although it could change:

1. The Greatest Show on Earth
2/3. Alpenglow/Edema Ruh - this is hard to decide now
4. Shutter Before the Beautiful
5. Endless Forms Most Beautiful
6. Weak Fantasy
7. My Walden
8. Our Decades in the Sun
9. Elan
10. Yours is an Empty Hope
11. The Eyes of Sharbat Gula
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 08, 2015, 09:14:19 PM
Yeah, those are my thoughts exactly. I like some of the first part sections though, "I see a beaten dog in a pungent alley" and "A mother visits her son, smiles to him through the bars, she's never loved him more" are amazing, and "A city that worships flesh" line makes a terrific transition into the next part of narration.

Personally these don't do much for me, but, on the other hand, I like a good chunk of the ending, which you don't seem to like as well as I do. Particularly the aforementioned closing line, but also "Careless realism costs souls," and, actually, the "decent manboy" section.



Good to know that my post was read, though I certainly didn't mean to complain or pick at people about it; the thing is ridiculously long.

Curiously enough, as of now my favourite track is probably Elan.

I like but don't love Élan at the moment. It's good but I'd put it in the bottom 1/3 of the album. This is coming to it having heard it for the first time when I first heard the album (I didn't listen to anything from this album before release day), though, so take what you will from that.

I read it.  I actually still think this album has potential to be my favorite, but right now its still behind Once.  Time will tell where it finally lands cause the newness is definitely weighing heavily on my favoritism towards it, but I think I can say it is definitely better then Imaginareum at this point.  I just think it is more consistent overall.  I find EVERY song on EFMB to be at least good and some to be very good.

I just can't put it ahead of Imaginaerum, personally, because I love every song on that record and really find it to be a burst of creativity in all sorts of different directions—no song on there is like any other song on there.

Extremely preliminary song rankings on the new album from me:
1. Shudder Before the Beautiful
2. Weak Fantasy
3. The Greatest Show On Earth (very high propensity to move up, just isn't quite one unit in my head yet)
4. Alpenglow
5. Edema Ruh
6. Endless Forms Most Beautiful
7. My Walden
8. The Eyes of Sharbat Gula
9. Élan
10. Our Decades in the Sun
11. Yours Is an Empty Hope

Random other note: I love the way Floor whispers "Us, sleeping" at the end of the first vocal section of The Greatest Show On Earth. It may be a testament to how much I know and love Tuomas' songwriting that I knew he was going to have her do that on my first listen before it even happened and that I absolutely love it regardless.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 08, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
My rankings are pretty different, but I agree with Yours is an Empty Hope placement.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 08, 2015, 10:34:34 PM
I'm getting a serious boner for this show later this month. The album has "Floor will kill it live" written all over it.

*takes half a step backward*

Make that a full step bro....  :RJ:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 08, 2015, 10:36:38 PM
I'm really starting to fall for the new album.
After half a dozen listens it's really got a hold of me.
I am now checking out the instrumental version, which without the vocals really hits you just how massive and epic this album really is.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2015, 05:46:26 AM
My rankings are pretty different, but I agree with Yours is an Empty Hope placement.

This song to me is a better version of Master Passion Greed.  I really like the instrumental part, really sounds cool and a slightly different feel for NW, but the rest of the song does nothing and hence why I also rate it low.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jcmistat on April 10, 2015, 12:21:02 AM
I'm getting a serious boner for this show later this month. The album has "Floor will kill it live" written all over it.

On Elan right now for my first play through the new album and I already have that feeling. I think I have to get tickets now, look what you've caused.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on April 10, 2015, 02:59:53 AM
Setlist and crowd vids from last night (first of tour)

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/video-nightwish-kicks-off-world-tour-in-new-york-city/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 05:57:05 AM
Awesome concert last night!! Floor was amazing.  They played most of the new album and even brought back a couple old songs.  The whole show was great really, Delain was good and so was Sabaton.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2015, 07:16:14 AM
Awesome concert last night!! Floor was amazing.  They played most of the new album and even brought back a couple old songs.  The whole show was great really, Delain was good and so was Sabaton.

Awesome to hear Marc!  Can't wait for The LA show.  What were some of the highlights for you?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 07:36:16 AM
Awesome concert last night!! Floor was amazing.  They played most of the new album and even brought back a couple old songs.  The whole show was great really, Delain was good and so was Sabaton.

Awesome to hear Marc!  Can't wait for The LA show.  What were some of the highlights for you?

Definitely the new material.  Im really becoming obsessed with the new album so all of the new songs were great, although the played my least favorite song from the album and not a couple of my favorites.  Security seemed very lax as well, I had GA floor ticket, but my buddy and I just walked upstairs and onto one of the private balconies that was half empty and stood on top of the chairs against the wall and rocked out from there. I dont know if people here dont want to be spoiled or not so I will make the font small here
They played Stargazers for the first time in 12 years (thats what Floor said lol).  That was a awesome surprise and I guess star gazing fits into the theme of the new album as well so it fit.  It was my first time seeing Floor perform in person with any band so just getting to see her do her thing was great, she seems to have great stage presence and an amazing voice, obviously.  Im not the biggest fan of the song The Islander which they played, but I may have some new feelings towards it.  The end when Floor came in to sing with Marco was really powerful and awesome.  They played one ballad, Sleeping Sun so that made two songs from Oceanborn which seemed odd, but I loved it because I like to get to see different songs and Oceanborn is a good album so no complaints.  They finished the set with TGSoE, but only did the full band part of the song, no intro and no outro which made sense for the live performance so it doesnt eat up as much set time, and then for the encore with Ghost Love Score  :metal :metal :metal

The full set list is here which looks correct https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/hammerstein-ballroom-new-york-ny-5bc8b78c.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/hammerstein-ballroom-new-york-ny-5bc8b78c.html)
For anyone interested, I got a full video of one of the new songs and put it on youtube this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMzeECiDY0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMzeECiDY0)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 10, 2015, 07:42:02 AM
Well I'm stunned at the inclusion of 3 very old songs and Floor nails them all.
There is a very good (audio and video) of the full show on YT too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 07:54:12 AM
Oh nice, just found that video of the whole concert. Very cool!  Part of me wants to drive down to Philly to catch them again tonight.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2015, 08:11:31 AM


Definitely the new material.  Im really becoming obsessed with the new album so all of the new songs were great, although the played my least favorite song from the album and not a couple of my favorites.  Security seemed very lax as well, I had GA floor ticket, but my buddy and I just walked upstairs and onto one of the private balconies that was half empty and stood on top of the chairs against the wall and rocked out from there. I dont know if people here dont want to be spoiled or not so I will make the font small here


Awesome!  I've been watching some of the clips and made some of the same observations as you.

I liked that they cut down TGSOE, usually not a big fan of that practice, but it makes perfect sense for Nightwish.  I absolutely love the song setting sun, so seeing Floor do it is awesome.  You're right, Stargazer fits with the theme of the show for sure.  I also figured Shudder would be the perfect opener....and it is!!!  Man I can't wait till 5/1!!!! :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 08:16:27 AM


Definitely the new material.  Im really becoming obsessed with the new album so all of the new songs were great, although the played my least favorite song from the album and not a couple of my favorites.  Security seemed very lax as well, I had GA floor ticket, but my buddy and I just walked upstairs and onto one of the private balconies that was half empty and stood on top of the chairs against the wall and rocked out from there. I dont know if people here dont want to be spoiled or not so I will make the font small here


Awesome!  I've been watching some of the clips and made some of the same observations as you.

I liked that they cut down TGSOE, usually not a big fan of that practice, but it makes perfect sense for Nightwish.  I absolutely love the song setting sun, so seeing Floor do it is awesome.  You're right, Stargazer fits with the theme of the show for sure.  I also figured Shudder would be the perfect opener....and it is!!!  Man I can't wait till 5/1!!!! :metal :metal :metal

There is a business trip to LA coming up soon, maybe I can get my boss to let me go and try to make the dates work so I can see them out there.   
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2015, 08:18:46 AM


There is a business trip to LA coming up soon, maybe I can get my boss to let me go and try to make the dates work so I can see them out there.

In the immortal words of Captain Piccard....  "Make it so!"  It'll be a blast!  The wiffe is going also, it's gonna be an awesome night.  Don't know iff you've been to the Greek, but it's a great outdoor venue.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 08:20:45 AM


There is a business trip to LA coming up soon, maybe I can get my boss to let me go and try to make the dates work so I can see them out there.

In the immortal words of Captain Piccard....  "Make it so!"  It'll be a blast!  The wiffe is going also, it's gonna be an awesome night.  Don't know iff you've been to the Greek, but it's a great outdoor venue.

Nope, have only been to that one DT concert out there, but outdoors sounds awesome and since its LA its not like you need to worry about it raining.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2015, 08:35:17 AM


Nope, have only been to that one DT concert out there, but outdoors sounds awesome and since its LA its not like you need to worry about it raining.

Yeah.... especially in the middle of a drought.  It's really a great venue for sound. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: aprilethereal on April 10, 2015, 09:15:14 AM
Great setlist :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 09:20:16 AM
I was fairly bummed though that Marco didn't sing with Delain at all.  He sings on at least 3 songs I believe including one of their newer singles.  That would have been awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 10, 2015, 09:23:32 AM
philly tonight  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
philly tonight  :metal

If I wasnt feeling so tired and crappy today I think I would make the drive down there for a second viewing of this show.  Enjoy tonight!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 10, 2015, 12:03:05 PM
I'm getting a serious boner for this show later this month. The album has "Floor will kill it live" written all over it.

On Elan right now for my first play through the new album and I already have that feeling. I think I have to get tickets now, look what you've caused.

You know where to find me bro.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 11, 2015, 01:56:55 AM
philly tonight  :metal

Any difference with the set list?  Hope it was an awesome show!




**EDIT - looks like the same setlist......

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/electric-factory-philadelphia-pa-23c8b08b.html
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 11, 2015, 02:44:41 PM
My thoughts on the setlist follow, so spoilers below:


I'm not actually going to be able to make it to a show this tour—they actually are going near where I'll be this summer the day before school ends and near where I go to college just a few days after classes end, so I'm missing them on both ends, unfortunately. However, hopefully they'll do a DVD for this tour, so I'll get to see that.

I think the setlist is pretty good, though I have some quibbles. I like the amount of the new album that they're playing, but I think it's an absolute crime that they've left Alpenglow off. To me, that's a perfect live song for towards the end of a set. I think they should have left out Yours Is an Empty Hope, which is my least favorite on the album, and put in Alpenglow instead. Besides that, though, I agree with the selection of the songs. Obviously they were going to play Shudder, Élan, the title track and The Greatest Show On Earth. And I'm tremendously pleased that they threw in Weak Fantasy as well. My Walden is a good choice to round that out.

Getting three pre-Century Child songs is unexpected and awesome. I'm really eager to hear Floor on Stargazers and Sleeping Sun. I kind of thought we might get Stargazers, but Sleeping Sun is a great surprise. She Is My Sin is a choice I can't complain about either, though it was on the Wacken DVD.

The one other thing I'm a little disappointed in is that Dark Passion Play is still not getting much love live. I'm really pleased that The Islander got in there, but I'd love to see one more DPP song that isn't Amaranth in the set. Would have been really cool for them to pull out Sahara or For the Heart I Once Had in place of, say, Storytime.

But on the whole, really good setlist. I mean, most of the best songs on the new album, plus Stargazers, Sleeping Sun, The Islander and Ghost Love Score? I'll definitely take it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
My thoughts on the setlist follow, so spoilers below:


I'm not actually going to be able to make it to a show this tour—they actually are going near where I'll be this summer the day before school ends and near where I go to college just a few days after classes end, so I'm missing them on both ends, unfortunately. However, hopefully they'll do a DVD for this tour, so I'll get to see that.

I think the setlist is pretty good, though I have some quibbles. I like the amount of the new album that they're playing, but I think it's an absolute crime that they've left Alpenglow off. To me, that's a perfect live song for towards the end of a set. I think they should have left out Yours Is an Empty Hope, which is my least favorite on the album, and put in Alpenglow instead. Besides that, though, I agree with the selection of the songs. Obviously they were going to play Shudder, Élan, the title track and The Greatest Show On Earth. And I'm tremendously pleased that they threw in Weak Fantasy as well. My Walden is a good choice to round that out.

Getting three pre-Century Child songs is unexpected and awesome. I'm really eager to hear Floor on Stargazers and Sleeping Sun. I kind of thought we might get Stargazers, but Sleeping Sun is a great surprise. She Is My Sin is a choice I can't complain about either, though it was on the Wacken DVD.

The one other thing I'm a little disappointed in is that Dark Passion Play is still not getting much love live. I'm really pleased that The Islander got in there, but I'd love to see one more DPP song that isn't Amaranth in the set. Would have been really cool for them to pull out Sahara or For the Heart I Once Had in place of, say, Storytime.

But on the whole, really good setlist. I mean, most of the best songs on the new album, plus Stargazers, Sleeping Sun, The Islander and Ghost Love Score? I'll definitely take it.


I completely agree with you about the one point about the setlist, but then I watched that song live on youtube, and its the perfect example of Floor performing way better than the album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_dJlad_fMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_dJlad_fMQ)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 11, 2015, 04:51:55 PM
Definitely a good performance! I just don't like the song nearly as well as the one I said I wished they'd play instead.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 12, 2015, 07:46:29 AM
Random other note: I love the way Floor whispers "Us, sleeping" at the end of the first vocal section of The Greatest Show On Earth. It may be a testament to how much I know and love Tuomas' songwriting that I knew he was going to have her do that on my first listen before it even happened and that I absolutely love it regardless.

Can you elaborate? Is that line in more songs? I be confused.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 12, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
Sidenote, never realised that Emppu was so short.  :lol

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/11080491_10155427214310068_8840616357691888922_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 12, 2015, 08:27:41 AM
Random other note: I love the way Floor whispers "Us, sleeping" at the end of the first vocal section of The Greatest Show On Earth. It may be a testament to how much I know and love Tuomas' songwriting that I knew he was going to have her do that on my first listen before it even happened and that I absolutely love it regardless.

Can you elaborate? Is that line in more songs? I be confused.

Honest to god, I have no idea how I saw it coming, I just... did? I had the lyrics in front of me, so obviously I could read that the next lyrics were "Us, sleeping" but somehow I just knew "she's going to whisper it." So in case it was confusing, what I predicted was not the line, but the vocal style.

Nightwish has done that before, in Whoever Brings the Night, off the top of my head ("Welcome to a sunrise... of a dirty mind"), and maybe more times as well. I don't know why I correctly got the sense that they were going to do it in TGSOE, but I was, and I thought it was interesting enough to briefly comment on it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on April 13, 2015, 12:43:39 PM
Personally, I'm kinda disappointed in the setlist.  I've got no problem with the focus on EFMB, so 7 tracks there is awesome.  But 7 more tracks that are right from the last tour (3 from the last album).  They're only playing 5 songs from the Tarja era, 3 of which were already played last tour... only 2 new Tarja era songs??  I is disappointed.

Don't get me wrong, the show is going to be awesome, and I'm going to love every second of it... but I sure as hell would've been even happier if some of the songs from Showtime/Storytime were replaced with other Tarja-era songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 13, 2015, 12:50:33 PM
I wouldn't mind them swapping out I Want My Tears Back (or maybe Storytime) for something more tasty indeed. And I could've lived without Amaranth too, I'm tired of this one.

I'm really glad to see The Islander and Sleeping Sun on the setlist though. Love those two songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 13, 2015, 01:19:42 PM
**Setlist spoilers**







I think they specifically put in I Want My Tears Back to make sure that there are enough Troy songs in there. I think Storytime is more of a prime target for replacement. I personally want to see Dark Passion Play get more love, so I would love to have something like Sahara in there in place of Storytime.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on April 13, 2015, 01:33:49 PM
**Setlist spoilers**







I think they specifically put in I Want My Tears Back to make sure that there are enough Troy songs in there. I think Storytime is more of a prime target for replacement. I personally want to see Dark Passion Play get more love, so I would love to have something like Sahara in there in place of Storytime.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2015, 01:55:19 PM
It already seems weird that a full time band member is only on stage for half the show, plus I Want My Tears back is definitely one of thier best crowd pleaser songs so I think it should stay, but Storytime and Amaranth are both songs that could be and should be replaced.  Id also argue that Alpenglow should be played, that song is really growing on me to be one of my favorite all time Nightwish songs.  It also has Troy on it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 14, 2015, 10:30:21 AM
Personally, I'm kinda disappointed in the setlist.  I've got no problem with the focus on EFMB, so 7 tracks there is awesome.  But 7 more tracks that are right from the last tour (3 from the last album).  They're only playing 5 songs from the Tarja era, 3 of which were already played last tour... only 2 new Tarja era songs??  I is disappointed.

Don't get me wrong, the show is going to be awesome, and I'm going to love every second of it... but I sure as hell would've been even happier if some of the songs from Showtime/Storytime were replaced with other Tarja-era songs.
Not just Tarja era, they have enough hits right now to not have to rely on Nemo and Amaranth and all their MTV video songs anymore, plus the last year's single is my least favorite thing to see on a setlist. Like, yeah, sure, those songs are anthemic, but they have so many hits they can dig up that we haven't heard for 5+ years just from Once/DPP alone, let alone deeper cuts from Tarja's era. I think at least 5 songs on that setlist ought to be replaced.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 14, 2015, 11:32:39 AM
being that this was my first time seeing them I was perfectly happy with the setlist as is.  And i was fine not having "radio hits" like Bye Bye Beautiful or Wish I Had An Angel, as those are both just so-so to me.  it was an incredible show  :hefdaddy
plus met the whole band beforehand, got everyone on my EFMB vinyl and poster, and got Kai to sign my two Wintersun albums as well  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 14, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
I would be thrilled to not have Wish I Had an Angel, but I am still surprised that they are not playing it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
I would be thrilled to not have Wish I Had an Angel, but I am still surprised that they are not playing it.

Agreed, I was pleasantly surprised that didnt show up although I may have liked that over Amaranth or Storytime (I just think IWIHaA is a better crowd energizing live song).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 14, 2015, 02:40:43 PM
Hey bosky, you going to the April 28 show?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 14, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
Nope.  Not good timing, unfortunately.  And as much of a disappointment as this album is to me, bottom line is, I just don't want it bad enough to make the trek.  Maybe if they were playing locally.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 14, 2015, 03:04:14 PM
Ok.....  :'(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 14, 2015, 07:21:46 PM
Endless Forms Most Beautiful is Nightwish's best album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 14, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
Endless Forms Most Beautiful is Nightwish's best album.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Nightwish_Century_Child.jpg)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 14, 2015, 10:06:02 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2015, 06:01:36 AM
Endless Forms Most Beautiful is Nightwish's best album.

This.  I wanted to give more time to let this album soak in more before I proclaimed this, but I don't think I need anymore time.  For me, besides the awesome music and Floors amazing vocals, the lyrical content on this album is just on another level.  The whole concept of the universe and being one with nature and music is something that I find really awesome and thought provoking. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 15, 2015, 08:29:17 AM
The album is really good, but its just slightly under Century Child for me. It may surpass it down the road. Still needs more time.

So far this is my ranking of faves:

1. Alpenglow
2. Endless Forms
3. Shudder
4. Weak Fantasy
5. My Walden
6. Yours Is An Empty Hope
7. The Greatest Show on Earth
8. Elan
9. Edema Ruh
10. Our Decades in The Sun
11. Eyes

They're all excellent, even Eyes, I need more listens though to really determine what the bottom half ranks. The first 3 Are for sure songs I really enjoy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 15, 2015, 09:17:50 AM
**SETLIST SPOILER**

















they did make a minor change and swapped Nemo for Ever Dream on the last 2 shows :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 15, 2015, 10:03:04 AM
Nice change for a better song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
Nice change for a better song.

Agreed, but I really like Nemo with Troy.  I would have rather them swap out a different song, but Ever Dream is one of my favorites by them so I would have liked to have seen that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 15, 2015, 10:26:00 AM
I like the new album, but am not blown away. But I still haven't really listened to it that much. I think Floor does great on the album, but something about the way the vocals are mixed in bothers me a bit. I think I've heard most of Floor's capabilities troughout the album, so do not really understand the complaint in terms of her performance. And Marco is underused indeed, which is really too bad. A surprise for me is that I do really like Dawkins. Hated previous spoken stuff, but I think TGSON nails the timing, length and build up (and music/ambience alongside it). His voice is just great for this stuff. Also, Live some of these songs will be amazing I think (and I have my tickets  ;D ).

Btw, looking at that picture above, I wonder how tall Floor is. She probably contributed to us Dutchies being the tallest population on earth though  :P
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 15, 2015, 11:57:40 AM
Sidenote, never realised that Emppu was so short.  :lol

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/11080491_10155427214310068_8840616357691888922_o.jpg)

Crap, he looks like a midget.

On a related note, as it has been mentioned already I dig the new album but so far I haven't had any O SHIT moments like on Imaginaerum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 15, 2015, 12:01:51 PM
I like the new album, but am not blown away. 

I agree. EFMB is good, no doubt, but Imaginaerum is just on the other level entirely.

And Century Child is still sitting comfortably at the top for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 15, 2015, 02:51:18 PM
If true...this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy... :yarr



https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-vancouver-show-to-be-filmed-for-dvd-release/
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 15, 2015, 03:26:07 PM
If true...this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy... :yarr



https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-vancouver-show-to-be-filmed-for-dvd-release/

This would be great!

But to be honest I expected them to film the Wembley Arena concert, which seems like an absolute career highlight if they manage to fill it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 15, 2015, 03:35:04 PM
Cool that they are doing a DVD.  But in that case, I DO have a problem with the set list, because there is too much overlap from Wacken.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 15, 2015, 03:38:03 PM
**Spoilers**





There is a lot of overlap, but I would still love to see this DVD for several of the EFMB tracks plus Floor-Stargazers, Floor-Sleeping Sun and The Islander(!).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 15, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
Yeah, it's still pretty good for fans of the new album.  But for someone like me who hates it, the overlap on the non-new album songs makes this an automatic "I'll pass."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 15, 2015, 03:46:08 PM
Yeah, that makes sense. And I kind of figured you wouldn't be so hot on this one, since the album I'd say it's most comparable to is Dark Passion Play.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 15, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Who knows?  Maybe they'll mix the setlist up a bit for that show?  We can hope.  Would be awesome to see something like Our Decades in the Sun instead of Amaranth.  Or something REALLY special like... Poet and the Pendulum  :biggrin:  Yeah...I know it's a pipe dream, but I did see  a recent interview and  Floor was asked what back catalog piece she'd like to do most, that's what she named. :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2015, 03:49:34 PM
Im pumped for a new DVD but it seems fairly early in the tour for that and I would also hope to have some of the setlist changed so there is less overlap.  Regardless thats a definitely buy for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 15, 2015, 03:54:55 PM
Or something REALLY special like... Poet and the Pendulum  :biggrin:  Yeah...I know it's a pipe dream, but I did see  a recent interview and  Floor was asked what back catalog piece she'd like to do most, that's what she named. :metal :metal :metal

Really? I would LOVE for them to play this. One of my top 3 or so Nightwish songs. Unfortunately, I think Tuomas finds it too emotionally trying; I doubt we'll see it. But maybe. Maybe.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 15, 2015, 04:09:56 PM
Or something REALLY special like... Poet and the Pendulum  :biggrin:  Yeah...I know it's a pipe dream, but I did see  a recent interview and  Floor was asked what back catalog piece she'd like to do most, that's what she named. :metal :metal :metal

Really? I would LOVE for them to play this. One of my top 3 or so Nightwish songs. Unfortunately, I think Tuomas finds it too emotionally trying; I doubt we'll see it. But maybe. Maybe.

I went back and watched the interview again, trying to gauge Tuomas's reaction when she states that.  Here's the interview, it's at the 23:08 mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDzB4Mot6xE
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 15, 2015, 04:59:47 PM
**Spoilers** (Does anyone actually care or am I doing this for nothing? Speak now or forever hold your peace.)






Well, he did say it was one of his favorites! It probably won't happen at any point this tour because The Greatest Show On Earth and Ghost Love Score are both in the setlist, so it's already jam-packed with long stuff. But what Tuomas and Floor said gives me hope that it may come back for future tours, especially if they rest Ghost Love Score next time around.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2015, 05:08:03 PM
**Spoilers** (Does anyone actually care or am I doing this for nothing? Speak now or forever hold your peace.)






Well, he did say it was one of his favorites! It probably won't happen at any point this tour because The Greatest Show On Earth and Ghost Love Score are both in the setlist, so it's already jam-packed with long stuff. But what Tuomas and Floor said gives me hope that it may come back for future tours, especially if they rest Ghost Love Score next time around.

Maybe they swap those two for the filming, would make a lot of sense in terms of song diversity on live albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 15, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
It would be great if they did that. I somewhat doubt that they will, though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 15, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
I'd love to hear any song from Dark Passion Play, as it's my favorite Nightwish album. I've already heard 'Poet' live 3 times, but it never gets old, and hearing it with Floor would be awesome!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 16, 2015, 12:43:09 AM
I'd die to hear Poet and the Pendulum live! With all the crap Annette Olzon caught about her stage-presence, the clips I have seen of her singing that, I thought she did an amazing job.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on April 17, 2015, 08:45:01 AM
About to head out to the Nightwish show in Cleveland. Outside of Dream Theater, Nightwish is probably my favorite band, so I'm thrilled to see them with Floor (only saw them once previously with Anette).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 17, 2015, 08:46:12 AM
About to head out to the Nightwish show in Cleveland. Outside of Dream Theater, Nightwish is probably my favorite band, so I'm thrilled to see them with Floor (only saw them once previously with Anette).

Hope it's an awesome show!   :metal :metal :metal



**SPOILER ALERT**


















Now there's a 3rd song in the rotation after Storytime........ last night they did Dark Chest of Wonders in that slot AND replaced Amaranth with Nemo  in the 3rd song spot.  It's great to see a little bit of song shuffling :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 17, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Finished listening to the new album yesterday. Not a huge fan. It feels extremely derivative of their past works, predictable, and is pretty much Nightwish by the numbers. It's not "bad", but I can't help but be reminded of several other songs that I like better than what's on display here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
Finished listening to the new album yesterday. Not a huge fan. It feels extremely derivative of their past works, predictable, and is pretty much Nightwish by the numbers. It's not "bad", but I can't help but be reminded of several other songs that I like better than what's on display here.

Exactly how I feel, AND I feel it is largely derivative of one of my least favorite albums, which doesn't help.  Combine that with the lyrics, and this equates to a dud for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 17, 2015, 12:22:18 PM
Finished listening to the new album yesterday. Not a huge fan. It feels extremely derivative of their past works, predictable, and is pretty much Nightwish by the numbers. It's not "bad", but I can't help but be reminded of several other songs that I like better than what's on display here.

You gotta admit though, The Greatest Show On Earth is the stuff of masterpiece.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on April 17, 2015, 01:16:40 PM
In Cleveland enjoying a beer at Great Lakes Brewing Company :)

It's very interesting to see the negative reactions to the album. Outside of Decades, which I simply don't care for, I think it's one of their best.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 17, 2015, 02:07:51 PM
On a somewhat related note, I've been listening to a lot of Nightwish lately and I've really been loving Dark Passion Play more and more the more I listen to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 17, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Not quite sure where it falls yet on my album list, probably will end up in the top 4, but it's about time I rate the songs  :hat


1.    Shudder Before the Beautiful       - The perfect opener, great to see a rare keyboard/guitar dual with NW.
2.    Weak Fantasy                             - Gonna be awseome live...it kicked ass on the New York show clip  :metal
3.    Edema Ruh                                 - Really wish they were playing it this tour
4.    Endless Forms most Beautiful       - LOVE the instrumental section, especially the piano chops @ 4:00
5.    Our Decades in the Sun               - beautiful representation of Floors softer side
6.    TGSOE                                       - It's growing on me.  Or should I say 14 mins of it is.  :lol
7.    My Walden                                  - Solid tune, great subject matter and vibe.
8.    Alpenglow                                   - Started a little higher on my list, then slipped a bit.
9.    Elan                                           -  Good song....  nothing overwhelming though
10.  The Eyes Of Sharbat Gula            -  Good sountrack tune for future diving videos....LOL
11.  Yours Is An Empty Hope              -  I'm really trying to like this song, but it aint happening,  Kind of like DT's Burning my Soul in that way
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 18, 2015, 06:01:50 AM
I love the shift in tempo halfway into My Walden. Great athmosphere there. I have no complaints at all with the rest of the album. I love it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on April 21, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
A little news snippet.........

The NIGHTWISH show in Vancouver, British Columbia on April 25 at The Orpheum will be filmed for a future DVD release.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on April 21, 2015, 08:29:50 PM
Way to be right on top of that news, Brent!!!  :lol  You be a page/week late

If true...this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy... :yarr



https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-vancouver-show-to-be-filmed-for-dvd-release/
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on April 21, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
Didn't review the thread before posting sorry  :blush    It was actually pulled from a more extensive article and interview from yesterday so I assumed it was "new news"

Perhaps the interview will interest you  :P  And if that was miraculously posted a week ago then tough titties :lol

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwishs-floor-jansen-im-not-the-kind-of-singer-thats-always-super-super-careful/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on April 21, 2015, 08:54:06 PM
It's so good to have Floor back in production full-time after that bout of exhaustion she had a few years ago.  Glad she's living life like a normal person.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 23, 2015, 07:17:19 AM
**SETLIST SPOILER ALERT****
















Cause I know folks seem to really dig this song, and I would love to hear it, I thought I'd share ...  Last night in Denver they replaced I Want my Tears Back with the live premiere of.... Alpenglow  :metal  about 9 days till LA!!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 23, 2015, 09:19:39 AM
YES!  :metal Here's hoping they play it when they record the DVD!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2015, 10:51:01 AM
YES! Im glad they played it but I really wish I got to see it
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 23, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
YES! I wish they come to my country this tour, Alpenglow or not.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
Found it on youtube already, love Troy's solo

https://youtu.be/-t1iDfaCtrE (https://youtu.be/-t1iDfaCtrE)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 23, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
Fucking sweet!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 23, 2015, 01:32:35 PM
Yeah...that was pretty fuckin wicked!   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 25, 2015, 09:33:15 AM
SO!!!  Tonight is DVD night....  Any set list predictions?  Will we see some regulars dropped for something new??



I'm gonna go out on a big limb and go for the hail mary.... 

Poet and The Pendulum to replace Ghost Love Score   :yarr

My fuzzy logic....

1.  They've got 3 nice recordings of GLS, including 2 by Floor
2.  PATP has not been recorded
3.  Floor has stated a desire to perform it


Thoughts?  Predictions?  Don't give a rats ass??  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2015, 10:32:46 AM
Id hope for some major changes but not of the new songs as long as Alpenglow is included as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 25, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
TPATP would be awesome, but I wouldn't count on it. I just hope Alpenglow makes it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 25, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
Yeah it would, as would Edema Ruh or Our Decades in the Sun.  I just think they should rest songs like Nemo and Amaranth, seeing they were just done with Showtime,Storytime.  Showcase some more back catalog with Floor.  Let's hope! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 26, 2015, 06:36:45 AM
**SETLIST SPOILER***




















well... it didn't hurt to dream.... :lol  You got yours 425!


Anywho.....  here's our DVD set, unless they add stuff from another show...




Shudder Before the Beautiful
Yours Is an Empty Hope
Amaranth
She Is My Sin
Endless Forms Most Beautiful
My Walden
The Islander
(First half performed solo by Marco)
Élan
Weak Fantasy
(Preceded by a Dawkins narration)
Storytime
Ever Dream
Alpenglow
Stargazers
Sleeping Sun
The Greatest Show on Earth
(Chapter II: Life and Chapter III: The Toolmaker)

Encore:
Ghost Love Score
Last Ride of the Day
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on April 26, 2015, 06:42:29 AM
Hell yes. All the best songs from the new album, plus The Islander.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2015, 06:43:41 AM
The Islander is definitely a highlight there for me. Pity there's no Edema Ruh, also pity that Amaranth made it, but otherwise it's a great setlist. I'm buying it as soon as it's available.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 26, 2015, 06:48:22 AM
Agreed...I'll buy it  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 26, 2015, 06:52:36 AM
6 out of 17 songs are repeats from the recent DVD, Ghost Love Score gets its fourth pro shot version, Ever Dream gets its third. I think they're likely to swap some songs and record another one on the European part of the tour too, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 26, 2015, 06:56:35 AM
6 out of 17 songs are repeats from the recent DVD, Ghost Love Score gets its fourth pro shot version, Ever Dream gets its third. I think they're likely to swap some songs and record another one on the European part of the tour too, but I'm not sure.

I hope you're right!  Up to this point though, the only other songs that have been rotated in this tours list are Nemo and I Want My Tears Back.  Which have been recorded also.  So, hopefully we'll get something new in the upcoming shows!  I'd love for them to film something from my upcoming LA show.  The Greek Theater is an awesome outdoor venue!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 26, 2015, 08:56:13 AM
... it didn't hurt to dream.... :lol  You got yours 425!

 ;D Excellent! This is pretty much what I expected to see, I'm just glad that Alpenglow got in there!

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Floor actually sings Amaranth? That's the one from Showtime, Storytime that most merits repeating, in my opinion, because the crowd sings half of the verses. Would be nice to get a version where Floor sings the whole thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 26, 2015, 09:08:01 AM
Well, in the opening NY show, the audience did a lot of singing in that song IIRC.  Not sure about last night though.... off to youtube!   :biggrin:


**EDIT...   I take it back... I watched NYC again and she sings it all
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 26, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
That's good, hopefully it's also true of last night's show. I get why they do that in the context of a live concert, but it's kind of annoying to be watching a DVD and have one of the songs be mostly sung by the audience.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2015, 09:46:56 AM
That's good, hopefully it's also true of last night's show. I get why they do that in the context of a live concert, but it's kind of annoying to be watching a DVD and have one of the songs be mostly sung by the audience.

Dunno, being a big fan of Blind Guardian I think that's one of the best things ever.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on April 26, 2015, 10:43:22 AM
That's good, hopefully it's also true of last night's show. I get why they do that in the context of a live concert, but it's kind of annoying to be watching a DVD and have one of the songs be mostly sung by the audience.

Dunno, being a big fan of Blind Guardian I think that's one of the best things ever.

I agree with this. Crowd participation is what I want from a live CD/DVD first and foremost. Well, aside from a good setlist, of course.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
Glad Alpenglow made it! And a good crowd makes for a good dvd!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 26, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
It can be cool, especially when you already have multiple live versions of the same song, but in this case I didn't really like it because it was the first release with the new singer and live releases are the only way we're going to hear her perform the songs from the back catalogue. If the crowd were to sing part of, say, Storytime on this DVD I wouldn't really mind (and might consider it to be pretty cool) because we already have a version of Storytime with Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 26, 2015, 02:40:26 PM
I went back and watched the whole NYC show again.  Wow... I'm pumped, what a great show that was.  I'll tell you... TGSOE is really starting to grow on me.  The version in the NYC show is pretty frikken wicked!!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 26, 2015, 06:23:09 PM
Well...this from The Bands FB page answers the question we were asking earlier regarding the setlist for the DVD.....


We had an endlessly most beautiful show in Vancouver yesterday which we immortalized for a future release. (A few other shows will be filmed for the same purpose) A big thanks to all of you who made the night so special! We are moving our vehicle of spirits for a few more weeks in the USA and we hope to welcome you to one of these shows!

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zoom E on April 26, 2015, 11:23:20 PM
I was at the Vancouver show, which was fantastic. There was no reliance on the crowd to sing any songs. Floor did all the work  ;) The DVD will be a perfect memento.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 27, 2015, 12:22:28 AM
That's quite awesome that you were in the crowd for the DVD show! And thank you for alleviating my silly little worry!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 05:50:54 AM
Well...this from The Bands FB page answers the question we were asking earlier regarding the setlist for the DVD.....


We had an endlessly most beautiful show in Vancouver yesterday which we immortalized for a future release. (A few other shows will be filmed for the same purpose) A big thanks to all of you who made the night so special! We are moving our vehicle of spirits for a few more weeks in the USA and we hope to welcome you to one of these shows!

I wonder if that means they will go the Within Temptation route and release two shows on one DVD or they will use different songs from different venues to make one "full" show?  Either way, as long as it has all the new songs, then it seems likely other back catalogue songs have a chance to make it to the DVD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 27, 2015, 02:22:14 PM
I was kind of expecting them to film Wembley as well, since that seems like a big thing and a one off.

But "a few" suggests even more shows will be filmed, so my bet is on a mixed show (wouldn't this feel odd? I know it happens a lot that dvd shows are mixed, but often this is in the same venue/stage/festival spread across two evenings I think?).

Ideally they film and release several unique shows as a whole in a single package (or maybe release this one along with Wembley filmed and record seperate audio shows, I like it when audio live discs are from another show). But I am not sure how viable that is from a publishing point of view.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
Yea, there's definitely a lot of room for flexibility if they record multiple shows.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
I could be wrong, but when I saw the announcement, the first thing I thought was that the recording the other night will be the full main show on the release, and then they will have "bonus tracks" from other shows.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
It's my turn tonight.....   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 28, 2015, 11:00:53 AM
It's my turn tonight.....   :metal


I'll see you there! I'll be getting to the venue around 5 to try and grab a front row spot in GA.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 28, 2015, 11:03:05 AM
It's my turn tonight.....   :metal

Enjoy, guys.  I think that is the perfect venue for them.  Big enough to let the majesty of their sound shine through, but small enough to still feel intimate.  Snap a few pics of yourselves rocking out if you remember.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 01:51:23 PM
Enjoy the show fellas! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 28, 2015, 05:25:12 PM
Rock on my Brothas!  :metal :metal :metal

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2015, 06:48:19 PM
In line, gonna look for Fiery in a second.... So fucking stoked for this show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 28, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
In line...

How many crack-heads have accosted you so far?  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2015, 07:39:15 PM
5, the over /under is set at 8..

Edit - 6
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 29, 2015, 12:53:02 AM
Ridiculous fucking show, Floor is just amazing.
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Post by: jcmistat on April 29, 2015, 01:35:05 AM
Ridiculous fucking show, Floor is just amazing.

Didn't think they'd play that long with two supporting bands. Time to make a playlist of the set and rock out some more. I saw you after the show ended and yelled Lonestar in the lobby.
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Post by: lonestar on April 29, 2015, 02:12:15 AM
No shit :lol

Didn't hear a thing man, I was in my usual spot though. Pretty much any GA show at Warfield, I'll be in that spot.

Sabaton was comically awesome, such a fun band, and so cool of them to bring that kid up on stage.
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Post by: Zydar on April 29, 2015, 02:20:12 AM
Ridiculous fucking show, Floor is just amazing.

So you were... floored?
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Post by: lonestar on April 29, 2015, 02:28:24 AM
Oh you.......



:footloose:
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Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2015, 06:04:51 AM
Sounds like a good time!  Im jealous of all you who get to see Alpenglow.
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Post by: Mindflux on May 01, 2015, 12:53:35 PM
Will see them in Dallas on Tuesday if all goes well.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 01, 2015, 08:44:46 PM
At the end of Delains set...... They're kicking ass..... Marco came out and rocked a song with them... Game on BITCHES!!
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 01, 2015, 09:08:50 PM
I'm sorry...... I'm laughing so fucking hard right now..... My wife said the lead singer from Sabaton looks like a teenage mutant turtle........ :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2015, 11:28:34 PM
At the end of Delains set...... They're kicking ass..... Marco came out and rocked a song with them... Game on BITCHES!!

He did that at our show too, lit the crowd up very nicely for sure.


And lol @ Teenage Mutant Turtle
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2015, 07:51:50 AM
Yea, he has been singing "The Gathering" with them, but he didn't do that at the beginning of the tour.  He actually sings on at least 3 other Delain songs that I know.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 02, 2015, 12:04:10 PM
Awesome show for sure!  Great crowd too!!!  I can't wait for the DVD :)  I was a bit dissapointed with my gopro though.  It did a horrible job recording, damn iPhone worked better...  :tdwn
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 04, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
So, according to setlist.fm they've played The Poet and the Pendulum last night. So I guess there's a decent chance for it being featured later on tour and on DVD too.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 08:56:09 AM
So, according to setlist.fm they've played The Poet and the Pendulum last night. So I guess there's a decent chance for it being featured later on tour and on DVD too.

Awesome!! Also played Dead to the World which is not featured on any DVD.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 04, 2015, 08:57:48 AM
So, according to setlist.fm they've played The Poet and the Pendulum last night. So I guess there's a decent chance for it being featured later on tour and on DVD too.

Awesome!! Also played Dead to the World which is not featured on any DVD.

I could've went to that show....dammit. both those songs I love especially the latter song. Can't wait to hear Floor sing that one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 04, 2015, 09:24:27 AM
Are you shitting me!!  Missed it by 2 days.... >:( >:( >:( GRRRRRR!!!!!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 09:40:16 AM
Are you shitting me!!  Missed it by 2 days.... >:( >:( >:( GRRRRRR!!!!!

That's how I feel about Alpenglow  >:(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 04, 2015, 11:03:13 AM
So, according to setlist.fm they've played The Poet and the Pendulum last night. So I guess there's a decent chance for it being featured later on tour and on DVD too.

Awesome!! Also played Dead to the World which is not featured on any DVD.

Really?! If true, that's awesome on both counts. Really hope they make the DVD. Two superb songs that I hope to hear Floor sing.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 04, 2015, 07:27:58 PM
Somehow I missread it.  I thought they swapped out Poet for GLS, but turns out they played both, GLS as a 2nd encore.  Lucky Bastages!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 06, 2015, 05:29:30 AM
Nothing on Youtube just yet. Someone's been asleep at the wheel.....  :censored
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Post by: Scorpion on May 06, 2015, 05:35:15 AM
So because of the survivor I've been relistening to albums with Annette, and I have to say that Dark Passion Play is really phenomenal. It might even tie Oceanborn as my favourite Nightwish album.

Imaginaerum, on the other hand, doesn't really excited me. Slow Love Slow is a really cool change of pace and Last Ride of the Day is pretty awesome, but the rest of the songs don't really have any staying power, and the moment they are over, I can't really remember anything about them at all.

What do you guys think about those two albums?
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 06, 2015, 06:35:48 AM
Nothing on Youtube just yet. Someone's been asleep at the wheel.....  :censored

I was thinking the same exact thing...slackers! :lol

Scorp...

I love both albums actually.  I think the composition and idea of Imaginaerum is very impressive.  The 2 are in my top 4 NW albums without a doubt.
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Post by: Evermind on May 06, 2015, 06:38:26 AM
I'm not that fond of Dark Passion Play, it's a decent album, nothing more. Imaginaerum, on the other hand, is just outstanding in my opinion. It's my second favourite Nightwish album after Century Child. The only song I don't like that much is Scaretale.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 06:42:49 AM
I like both, but DPP is a step lower than most of the NW catalogue IMO.  It's not bad, just not as good as the rest.

Which leads me to some updated album rankings:

Endless Forms Most Beautiful
Once
Wishmaster
Century Child
Imagineareum
Dark Passion Play
Oceanborn
Angels Fall First

Wishmaster vs Century Child changes a lot though, those rankings depends on my mood and this reflects my current mood.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 06, 2015, 06:46:56 AM
Hey rankings awesome what up.

Oceanborn
Dark Passion Play
Century Child

Angels Fall First
Wishmaster
Once

Imaginaerum

Haven't heard the new one yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 06, 2015, 06:47:34 AM
I love both albums with Anette. Imaginaerum is fantastic, like Evermind I would rank it second behind Century Child. I find it superbly creative and diverse.

I used to rank Dark Passion Play near the bottom, but the more I listen to it, the more I love it. The Poet and the Pendulum is probably my 3rd favorite Nightwish song, which is a hard thing to be. And there are tons of other really great songs on the album: Amaranth, Sahara, For the Heart I Once Had, Meadows of Heaven. The biggest misstep to me is Whoever Brings the Night, which is just decent, not great. Master Passion Greed is an unusual song for Nightwish, and it was tough to get into, but I like it alright by now. On the whole, Dark Passion Play ranks either third or fourth, but probably fourth, for me now—it's very close with Once.

Album Rankings:
1. Century Child
2. Imaginaerum
3. Once
4. Dark Passion Play
5. Oceanborn
6. Wishmaster
7. Angels Fall First

Still too early to say where Endless Forms Most Beautiful will fall, but I think it's most likely to come in fifth, just behind Dark Passion Play. Don't know for sure, though, because it could still definitely grow in the months to come.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 06:55:53 AM
Haven't heard the new one yet.

Better start listening if for no other reason than for the survivor  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on May 06, 2015, 07:00:24 AM
I know. It's on the list, right at the top, just haven't gotten around to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2015, 08:32:17 AM
What do you guys think about those two albums?

Pretty much the exact opposite of your opinion.  I rank DPP near the bottom of their discog, and Imaginaerum near the top.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 06, 2015, 07:02:17 PM
I've stated numerous times that Dark Passion Play is my favorite Nightwish album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on May 06, 2015, 11:52:28 PM
:hifive:

I can't decide between it and Oceanborn, but those two are definitely a cut above the rest in my opinion.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 07, 2015, 12:28:06 AM
Dark Passion Play starts off very, and I mean VERY impressive. But after four or five songs the level of quality drops off. I love the overall idea and concept of Imaginaerium but there are songs on there that are just off to me.  Of the two, I'd probably rate DPP a little higher on the quality of songs like TPATP and 7 days to the wolf alone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 07, 2015, 07:17:05 AM
They've played it 3 nights in a row now......    Wow....  sorry Annette, you just got owned.  Especially the last vocal section, In all the Annette youtube versions I've heard, she couldn't nail it.  Matter of fact... I think Annette took it down half an octave from the studio version on all the youtube clips I've seen.  Not a slam... Like we're discussing, I love both Annette's studio albums with the band. This better be on the DVD  :metal :metal :metal

Houston  (better sound quality off the two)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlWTNZ21cu0


Dallas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8E7uXqGn8
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
Wow....  sorry Annette, you just got owned. 

Uh...not to be mean or anything, but was this ever even in question?  I mean, Anette did a passable job on the album, but she is not even in the same league as Floor.  She just isn't.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 07, 2015, 09:02:12 AM
Wow....  sorry Annette, you just got owned. 

Uh...not to be mean or anything, but was this ever even in question?  I mean, Anette did a passable job on the album, but she is not even in the same league as Floor.  She just isn't.
I agree Bosky,   One of the biggest reasons I wanted Floor to do this song was because Annette just didn't it justice live IMHO.  I've maybe heard one very early live version from Annette that was halfway decent, but not on the same level as this Houston performance by Floor.  Now... Marco sounds like he struggled a bit on this particular one (Houston) during his vocals.  Can't wait to see (hopefully) a polished DVD version of this!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 07, 2015, 09:03:29 AM
Poor Anette. I really do like her singing quite a lot. It's almost unfair that she'll forever be compared Floor, because, well, Floor is Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2015, 09:31:11 AM
She is a good singer, but she was not the right singer for this band.  The music requires a LOT from their lead singer, not only in terms of range, but also power, dynamics, and variety of style that Anette just does not possess to the degree necessary to do the music justice, at least in a live setting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 07, 2015, 11:55:17 AM
Look, I know Anette was inconsistent live to say the least, but her performance of Mother and Father section on the album itself is spot on. It's certainly on the level with Floor, as far as I concerned, and maybe even better. One of my favourite Nightwish moments.

Live performances is the whole another story though, I don't know who can compete with Floor here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2015, 01:34:42 PM
I don't see that at all.  I mean, I'm not getting into personal preference--she simply does not have the tools Floor has.  But if you see it differently...  :dunno:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2015, 01:52:21 PM
The one time I saw NW live with Annette, I thought she was fine.  Not Floor, but good as her own and was able to sing all the Annette songs fine. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2015, 05:49:06 AM
I think EFMS should have been the single.  Pretty straight forward awesome NW song where Floor sounds good and has a cool instrumental part.

Well https://youtu.be/VUb1p8fm7Ag (https://youtu.be/VUb1p8fm7Ag)

Quote
VIDEO PREMIERE!!
Nightwish release their 2nd single, the new album's title-track "Endless Forms Most Beautiful."
It is available as a limited edition MCD, 10“ Vinyl and as a digital download.
"Endless Forms Most Beautiful" tracklist:
1. Endless Forms Most Beautiful (album version)
2. Sagan (instrumental) - previously unreleased
3. Endless Forms Most Beautiful (alternative version)
4. Endless Forms Most Beautiful (radio edit) - previously unreleased
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 09, 2015, 02:51:27 AM
I just bought and watched Imaginaerum. Its a good movie. I enjoyed it. What do you guys think of it?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 09, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
I thought it was entertaining.  Acting and dialogue was a little stiff and amateurish at times, but I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on May 11, 2015, 06:04:12 AM
Australian tour has been announced for January 2016  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on May 11, 2015, 06:25:32 AM
I think the album is growing on me. I think everything from My Walden to the end is pretty great with some really brilliant parts. I am trying to get into the first half though.

Nowhere near as spectacular as Imaginaerum but still quite good!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 11, 2015, 07:31:46 AM
Just got tickets to go see them at Wembley in December. It asked me if I wanted Seating tickets or Floor tickets. I had to laff...(I chose Floor).  :yarr :metal :hat
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 11, 2015, 08:01:13 AM
I'd like Floor-tickets.... :hat



But I'm affraid she'd kick my ass from here to Timbuktu....  :'(





 :blush
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on May 13, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
Okay so.

I've listened to the new album, and it's pretty good as a whole, I'd say. I really like Shudder Before the Beautiful, Yours Is an Emtpy Hope, Edema Ruh and Alpenglow and would say that they are among Nightwish's best songs, especially the last two.

However, this album has two duds in My Walden (seriously, ripping off the rip-off? Geez guys, bagpipes are allowed to play more than melody ffs) and The Greatest Show on Earth which has an intro that takes forever to get going, some pretty good music in the middle and then an outro that bores me to tears. So much wasted potential. :(

Not quite sure where I'd rank this, but it's probably middle of the pack. Alpenglow and Edema Ruh carry this so much that it's ridiculous.
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Post by: Zook on May 13, 2015, 05:14:41 PM
Okay so.

I've listened to the new album, and it's pretty good as a whole, I'd say. I really like Shudder Before the Beautiful, Yours Is an Emtpy Hope, Edema Ruh and Alpenglow and would say that they are among Nightwish's best songs, especially the last two.

However, this album has two duds in My Walden (seriously, ripping off the rip-off? Geez guys, bagpipes are allowed to play more than melody ffs) and The Greatest Show on Earth which has an intro that takes forever to get going, some pretty good music in the middle and then an outro that bores me to tears. So much wasted potential. :(

Not quite sure where I'd rank this, but it's probably middle of the pack. Alpenglow and Edema Ruh carry this so much that it's ridiculous.

What is I Want My Tears Back a rip off of?

You're OK with SBTB ripping off Storytime and DCoW?

TGSOE is great from start to finish, but if I had to complain, the animal noises really aren't necessary.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 13, 2015, 05:22:02 PM
I Want My Tears Back is basically Last of the Wilds with vocals, only worse.

And yes, for some reason, the SBTB/DCOW similarities bother me far less. Not quite sure why.
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Post by: Randaran on May 13, 2015, 06:28:30 PM
I find that Shudder Before the Beautiful reminds me more of Beauty of the Beast than Storytime or Dark Chest of Wonders. I see the similarities with the last two, though I find the BotB one much more obvious (The part I am talking about starts at ~3:35). Even then, it is far from a direct copy.
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Post by: 425 on May 13, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
I Want My Tears Back is basically Last of the Wilds with vocals, only worse.

Only in the sense that they are both metal songs with bagpipes. Which combines two of the major aspects of Nightwish's sound at this point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 13, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
I don't like Alpenglow that much, and I think Yours is an Empty Hope is borderline awful. It's the only song on the album I want to skip.

Elan, Weak Fantasy, Shudder and Edema Ruh are highlights of the album for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 14, 2015, 01:46:33 AM
I've been holding back from posting about what I think of this album because it's quite hard to marshall my thoughts on it. I think it's an amazing piece of work, and I can see why some people are struggling with it, because the melodies aren't where the melodies usually are with Nightwish. This is something new, not just a new singer, but a new approach to songwriting. And when it works, my God, does it work.

"Yours Is An Empty Hope" and "The Eyes of Sharbat Gula" are the two strongest songs here - The orchestration on YIAEH is simply stunning. Every other track is a strong classic (loving "Weak Fantasy" the more I hear it, and "Edema Ruh" is great fun), although I haven't quite gelled with "My Walden" yet. Even "Our Decades In The Sun" is pretty impressive in itself, although I'm not quite sure it fits with the mood of the rest of the album. And yes, "The Greatest Show On Earth" could lose the animal noises and about 4 minutes, but it's still a great listen.

In short, I'm loving this album. It's thought-provoking, challenging, sing-alongable, difficult, different and... Nightwish. There's no other word for it.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2015, 08:20:20 AM
I'm just really thankful I got Century Child, Once, End of an Era, and Imaginaerum from this band.  I will just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on May 14, 2015, 10:34:35 AM
What don't you like about it, bosk?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scorpion on May 14, 2015, 01:14:01 PM
I'd hazard a guess and say the lyrical themes that it explores.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2015, 01:36:58 PM
So NW added another new DPP song to the setlist last night... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/the-fillmore-charlotte-nc-3bc874a0.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/the-fillmore-charlotte-nc-3bc874a0.html)

7 Days to the Wolves

And I really think EFMB is one of the best albums I may have ever heard.
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Post by: Evermind on May 14, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
Great pick, one of my favourites from DPP.

I'm also actively listening to DPP this whole week in preparation for its upcoming survivor, and it's a lot better than I remembered it being. While there are few duds, more than on Imaginaerum or EFMB, there's still a great chunk of good material. I'm really enjoying it.
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Post by: 425 on May 14, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
That is a good pick. And I would have been there, too, if that show had been just a few days earlier.

I really like DPP. The more I listen to it, the more I like it. It's not in the top tier for me, which is CC and Irum, but it's in the second tier with Once and probably EFMB.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on May 14, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
I'd hazard a guess and say the lyrical themes that it explores.

I'm hoping for something other than that. If I can enjoy Theocracy's Mirror of Souls, he can enjoy this album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Tyrias on May 14, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
As someone whose social circle is largely either atheist or very mildly religious (as in I don't think I know anyone who seriously thinks evolution is wrong), I'm curious now. What in the lyrics on this album would be offensive to someone deeply religious? I was very doubtful myself if this concept would work out on an album and so I paid more attention to the lyrics and quotas than usual, and I hardly found anything where I thought: "This might upset someone's believes." Even the narration mostly fits in well with a very religious view of the world (or at least what I think it to be  :P).
Sorry if this is more of a topic for the Political and Religious subforum, but I'm generally curious.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 14, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Weak Fantasy is not very kind to religion.

"Your only truth
Tribal poetry
Witchcraft filling your void"
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 14, 2015, 09:18:15 PM
Yeah....  I'm in a weird place with weak fantasy.  I think melodically it's #2 on the album.  Yet, the religious bashing overtures are a bit disheartening. I'm not "Religious" But I do have a belief in a higher power.  As I've mentioned on DTF a few times, I'm not a huge fan of political or religious themed based music.  It's such an awesome song.....but.....the subject matter taints it a tad for me.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
So Nightwish just announced a NJ date for next February.  I guess I have plans for that day (a Friday close to my house!!)  Im guessing they are doing a 2nd US leg to the tour then  :metal
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Post by: NunoTenniscourt on May 15, 2015, 01:35:10 PM
Yeah....  I'm in a weird place with weak fantasy.  I think melodically it's #2 on the album.  Yet, the religious bashing overtures are a bit disheartening. I'm not "Religious" But I do have a belief in a higher power.  As I've mentioned on DTF a few times, I'm not a huge fan of political or religious themed based music.  It's such an awesome song.....but.....the subject matter taints it a tad for me.

Religion has earned its ridicule.

As for the Nightwish album itself, as a whole, it still hasn't won me over completely. It's actually disappointing. Perhaps I need more time with it.
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Post by: Evermind on May 15, 2015, 01:36:12 PM
So Nightwish just announced a NJ date for next February.  I guess I have plans for that day (a Friday close to my house!!)  Im guessing they are doing a 2nd US leg to the tour then  :metal

They're indeed doing it, with Delain and Sonata Arctica (I think. They're not on the poster, but I've heard they will be on this tour.)

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/s960x960/11206563_10206763540117586_3662147953423346956_o.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
Oh cool with Delain again!  Wow Im so pumped for next year lol  And it'll be the first show of that leg just like NYC was the first this year, adds to the fun!
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Post by: Mindflux on May 15, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
Yep. Already planning to see them in San Antonio.

We missed the first part of the Delain set in Dallas because we thought Sabaton would go up first.. but Delain was first that night.

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Post by: Zook on May 15, 2015, 04:22:59 PM
Damn, Tucson? Bloody hell!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 15, 2015, 09:46:46 PM


Religion has earned its ridicule.


Ummm...OK. I was referring to a singular song with regards to Religious connotations, not opening the religious debate in general.  There's a separate sub-forum for that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 16, 2015, 05:48:21 AM
Who says it´s about religion? Tuomas hasn´t said anything about it, as far as I know.

On another note, I think Floor has said in an interview that according to Union regulations, they are only allowed to film at one venue in the States during this tour. That would be a major bummer as it would mean amongst others no PATP from this part of the tour on the DVD. And that would definitely suck monkey balls.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 16, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
Well, I guess they could film some Europe dates as well and then merge them on DVD?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 16, 2015, 06:27:20 AM
That´s probably what they´ll do. Can´t imagine they´ll wait untill the european leg  of the tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2015, 06:29:15 AM
Well if the band stated they were going to film multiple concerts and they can only film one in the USA (I dont understand that reason?) then it leads me to believe they will film at least one other concert somewhere else  :biggrin:

I don't think the band is going to release it soon if this is the case.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 16, 2015, 08:24:02 PM
Yeah...If that's the Union regs in the States then I would think they would record some stuff during the summer European shows.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 20, 2015, 03:35:58 PM
(https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11078148_10203869948060204_7284569538264485685_o.jpg)

Thinking up this pun just made my day a lot better, so :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on May 21, 2015, 04:05:42 AM
RATINGS!!!

Alpenglow
Edema Ruh
My Walden
Elan
The Greatest Show on Earth
Endless Forms Most Beautiful
Shutter Before the Beautiful
The Eyes of Sharbat Gula
Our Decade in the Sun
Weak Fantasy
Yours Is An Empty Hope

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Post by: Scorpion on May 21, 2015, 04:33:49 AM
Alpenglow
Edema Ruh
Shudder Before the Beautiful
Our Decades in the Sun
The Greatest Show on Earth
Elan
Weak Fantasy
The Eyes of Sharbat-Gula
Yours Is an Emtpy Hope
My Walden
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Post by: The Curious Orange on May 21, 2015, 05:24:54 AM
Probably the exact opposite of many peoples -

Yours Is An Empty Hope
The Eyes of Sharbat Gula
Weak Fantasy
Edema Ruh
Endless Forms Most Beautiful
Elan
Our Decades In The Sun
Alpenglow
The Greatest Show on Earth
Shudder Before The Beautiful
My Walden
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2015, 05:43:01 AM
I guess I will throw out my initial song rankings, ive had enough listens now to form that much of an opinion although it could change:

1. The Greatest Show on Earth
2/3. Alpenglow/Edema Ruh - this is hard to decide now
4. Shutter Before the Beautiful
5. Endless Forms Most Beautiful
6. Weak Fantasy
7. My Walden
8. Our Decades in the Sun
9. Elan
10. Yours is an Empty Hope
11. The Eyes of Sharbat Gula

I think that is still fairly accurate although Alpenglow is a definite #2 now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pappy on June 06, 2015, 02:51:25 PM
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/laulurinne-joensuu-finland-7bc9ea84.html

Pretty much the same setlist in Europe.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on June 06, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
Yeah, but I still think they're going to throw some unexpected songs into the setlist at the following shows.

And I really hope they would announce some shows in Russia too. Missed them on Imaginaerum tour, don't want to miss them on this one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 06, 2015, 05:02:04 PM
So, I was watching an interview last night on youtube and they were saying 2, I think, of these Finland shows were going to have the bands most ambitious stage production to date.  DVD material?  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 07, 2015, 10:11:06 AM
so the Europeans get the Full TGSOE, luckys.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
so the Europeans get the Full TGSOE, luckys.

Eh, as much as I love it,I'd take another song over the long intro and outro in a live setting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 07, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
Umm....WOW......  1:07  .  Now I see what they meant by stage production!  Man!  I coulda given them some way better underwater vid to use, especially turtle clips!  >:(  Hopefully one of these large stage shows will be recorded for the DVD.

pt 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PO3JBeOuLc

pt 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5ZgJV6M5M


sounds a tad better on this one, but the first has better imagery (except for the shock effect on the dudes camera...LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgTymln8h5M
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 05:30:40 AM
Well that intro was pretty sick so I guess I spoke too soon
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pappy on June 08, 2015, 06:41:55 AM
Well that was awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on June 08, 2015, 04:08:10 PM
New tour dates added to website, including second NA tour. Sorry if this is old news, but it was news to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 10, 2015, 06:50:10 PM
Looks like the cruise went well.  First night had an awesome setlist, the second was what looks like an abbreviated Jam session.....with one BIG exception :)


first night....

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-6bc9c642.html



second night....

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-33c9c42d.html




From 2nd night.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdh6w_dSyA
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2015, 06:59:30 PM
Looks like the cruise went well.  First night had an awesome setlist, the second was what looks like an abbreviated Jam session.....with one BIG exception :)


first night....

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-6bc9c642.html



second night....

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-33c9c42d.html




From 2nd night.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdh6w_dSyA

Wow, that second set is...well hopefully recorded  :lol :metal and same with the first, a nice setlist as well  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Randaran on June 10, 2015, 08:28:19 PM
That first setlist...just, damn. If I ever see them live, I would like to have a setlist like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on June 10, 2015, 08:46:50 PM
Looks like the cruise went well.  First night had an awesome setlist, the second was what looks like an abbreviated Jam session.....with one BIG exception :)


first night....

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-6bc9c642.html



second night....

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-33c9c42d.html




From 2nd night.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdh6w_dSyA

I sure as hell hope they record that "Unknown." I really do love that one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 11, 2015, 09:04:27 AM
Floor Jansen singing ´Alone´ by Heart...... omg, I think I just came. This HAS to be recorded!!  :omg:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 11, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
Floor Jansen singing ´Alone´ by Heart...... omg, I think I just came. This HAS to be recorded!!  :omg:

Kinda shitty quality, sound gets better after a minute....the video has horrible wavy stabilization effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDs1lwLgSs

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 11, 2015, 12:07:34 PM
That´s the rocking of the boat, I gather....  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2015, 12:20:52 PM
Wow.  2 things:

(1) Floor NAILS that.  Ann who?  Just WOW.
(2) You know, I didn't really pay all that much attention back in the day.  But listening to Heart's lyrics nowadays, I am struck by the fact that...well...they were sluts.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 11, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
Wow.  2 things:

(1) Floor NAILS that.  Ann who?  Just WOW.
(2) You know, I didn't really pay all that much attention back in the day.  But listening to Heart's lyrics nowadays, I am struck by the fact that...well...they were sluts.  :lol


Rockin Hussies in the 70's and 80's   :yarr  Always loved Ann and Nancy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on June 11, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
Wow.  2 things:

(1) Floor NAILS that.  Ann who?  Just WOW.
(2) You know, I didn't really pay all that much attention back in the day.  But listening to Heart's lyrics nowadays, I am struck by the fact that...well...they were sluts.  :lol

A lot of the songs from their big 1980's era of success was from outside writers.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 11, 2015, 06:50:39 PM
(2) You know, I didn't really pay all that much attention back in the day.  But listening to Heart's lyrics nowadays, I am struck by the fact that...well...they were sluts.  :lol
This describes almost every rock band from the 70's and 80's.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 15, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
Interesting interview with Floor about her starting in Nightwish after a burnout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Vt29Gf_C0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Vt29Gf_C0)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ronnibran on August 17, 2015, 07:20:29 PM
FINALLY getting around to getting into this band.  I checked out a bunch of stuff on spotify and decided to buy "Once" a couple months ago.  Really liked it and it grew on me slowly.  I eventually recently got "Century Child." Holy crap, what a great album!!!  I have really been into Tarja and even bought some of her solo stuff (not as good as the Nightwish stuff to me, but still good). 

I had never gotten into the other NW singers but have only tried on spotify and probly didn't like it cause spotify annoys me.  So on a whim I bought "Dark Passion Play." OMG, I can't believe how awesome this album is.  "For the Heart I Once Had" is amazingly stunning. 

So far, I have 3 albums.  All very good.  I can't choose between Century Child and Dark Passion Play for a current favorite but I know I need more albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 73109 on August 17, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
Imaginaerum is one of my favorite albums of all time. The story, the lyrics, the music—it is so epic and bombastic but also touching and real, which I think their music with Tarja definitely lacked. Their newest album, in my opinion, is also quite good. Miles above anything with Tarja, slightly better than Dark Passion Play, and not nearly as good as Imaginaerum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on August 18, 2015, 02:27:06 AM
Floor Jansen singing ´Alone´ by Heart...... omg, I think I just came. This HAS to be recorded!!  :omg:

Agreed! I hope for a live version. She nails it.

Don't know if you knew this, but there is a studio piano version of Floor singing it with After Forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxOKueE-_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxOKueE-_0)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2015, 05:35:07 AM
FINALLY getting around to getting into this band.  I checked out a bunch of stuff on spotify and decided to buy "Once" a couple months ago.  Really liked it and it grew on me slowly.  I eventually recently got "Century Child." Holy crap, what a great album!!!  I have really been into Tarja and even bought some of her solo stuff (not as good as the Nightwish stuff to me, but still good). 

I had never gotten into the other NW singers but have only tried on spotify and probly didn't like it cause spotify annoys me.  So on a whim I bought "Dark Passion Play." OMG, I can't believe how awesome this album is.  "For the Heart I Once Had" is amazingly stunning. 

So far, I have 3 albums.  All very good.  I can't choose between Century Child and Dark Passion Play for a current favorite but I know I need more albums.

Go with their two newest albums, Imaginarium (if you like DPP, you'll like this) and Endless Forms Most Beautiful (might as well go with the newest and maybe best of the three singers, and this is my personal favorite album).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on August 18, 2015, 08:16:18 AM
FINALLY getting around to getting into this band.  I checked out a bunch of stuff on spotify and decided to buy "Once" a couple months ago.  Really liked it and it grew on me slowly.  I eventually recently got "Century Child." Holy crap, what a great album!!!  I have really been into Tarja and even bought some of her solo stuff (not as good as the Nightwish stuff to me, but still good). 

I had never gotten into the other NW singers but have only tried on spotify and probly didn't like it cause spotify annoys me.  So on a whim I bought "Dark Passion Play." OMG, I can't believe how awesome this album is.  "For the Heart I Once Had" is amazingly stunning. 

So far, I have 3 albums.  All very good.  I can't choose between Century Child and Dark Passion Play for a current favorite but I know I need more albums.

Go with their two newest albums, Imaginarium (if you like DPP, you'll like this) and Endless Forms Most Beautiful (might as well go with the newest and maybe best of the three singers, and this is my personal favorite album).

Agreed. Especially Imaginarium is excellent (still have to watch that film and soundtrack to it).

EFMB has grown on me a lot by the way. Can't wait to see them later this year.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on August 18, 2015, 09:06:34 AM
EFMB is still my album of the year, though it is being challenged by the new Symphony X.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 18, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
FINALLY getting around to getting into this band.  I checked out a bunch of stuff on spotify and decided to buy "Once" a couple months ago.  Really liked it and it grew on me slowly.  I eventually recently got "Century Child." Holy crap, what a great album!!!  I have really been into Tarja and even bought some of her solo stuff (not as good as the Nightwish stuff to me, but still good). 

I had never gotten into the other NW singers but have only tried on spotify and probly didn't like it cause spotify annoys me.  So on a whim I bought "Dark Passion Play." OMG, I can't believe how awesome this album is.  "For the Heart I Once Had" is amazingly stunning. 

So far, I have 3 albums.  All very good.  I can't choose between Century Child and Dark Passion Play for a current favorite but I know I need more albums.
Great start, you have my top 2 NW albums (DPP and CC)  :tup But yes, go with Imaginaerum and EFMB next. Then feel free to venture to the early records
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ronnibran on August 18, 2015, 06:17:03 PM
Awesome, thanks for all the feedback!  I am planning on checking out all Nightwish's albums eventually, and think I'll start with Imaginaerum next.  And then the latest.  And then more of the early stuff.

Not in a hurry, though, still rocking it out hard to Century Child and Dark Passion Play.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2015, 02:49:35 PM
From NW's facebook

Quote
Right before the European leg of the »Endless Forms Most Beautiful« tour kicks off, NIGHTWISH will release a special tour edition of the current album. Released on October 30th the tour edition will include a bonus DVD with lots of great bonus material (21 making-of episodes, two previously unreleased live clips, five special clips, Élan & Endless Forms Most Beautiful official videos + photo gallery).

The two unreleased live clips are apparently Yours is an Empty Hope and Stargazers.  Not sure where those are filmed, but got that info because you can get the DVD alone here https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/dvd-bluray/dvd-digi/nightwish-endless-forms-most-beautiful-bonus-dvd.html?sc_src=email_308978&sc_llid=6269&sc_lid=6977984&sc_uid=T7YDa0QoBf&sc_eh=92cc5f259b2c64a71 (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/dvd-bluray/dvd-digi/nightwish-endless-forms-most-beautiful-bonus-dvd.html?sc_src=email_308978&sc_llid=6269&sc_lid=6977984&sc_uid=T7YDa0QoBf&sc_eh=92cc5f259b2c64a71)

Also, the released another "making of" episode that is all about Troy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynt4sR8Udls&list=PLB4brr7vf-P6LMpAuLbvvaskBkEUpbNuL&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynt4sR8Udls&list=PLB4brr7vf-P6LMpAuLbvvaskBkEUpbNuL&index=1)

That was cool to see as I was always interested in his story.

Also, who ever runs the NW FB page, commented on a commenter who asked if the live clips were from the filmed Vancouver show and the response was "Sorry no, not edited yet."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: mrrct on August 21, 2015, 09:18:06 PM
This looks to be as much of a rip off as Made In Hong Kong (And In Various Other Places).  I'll wait for the proper live album that they'll probably put out in about six months.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on August 24, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Tickets seem to be doing well, the concert I will attent is sold out and they are booked for the next evening as well (venue holds about 5500 people). Probably it being Floor's first NW concert in the Netherlands (I think?) helps. Still, good to see ticket sales doing well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2015, 03:41:26 PM
Tickets seem to be doing well, the concert I will attent is sold out and they are booked for the next evening as well (venue holds about 5500 people). Probably it being Floor's first NW concert in the Netherlands (I think?) helps. Still, good to see ticket sales doing well.

Going to the Heineken Music Hall?  That place is next to the Holiday Inn Hotel I stay at when I go to Amsterdam for work, will be there next week actually.  I'd love to see a concert there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on August 25, 2015, 02:42:54 AM
Tickets seem to be doing well, the concert I will attent is sold out and they are booked for the next evening as well (venue holds about 5500 people). Probably it being Floor's first NW concert in the Netherlands (I think?) helps. Still, good to see ticket sales doing well.

Going to the Heineken Music Hall?  That place is next to the Holiday Inn Hotel I stay at when I go to Amsterdam for work, will be there next week actually.  I'd love to see a concert there.

Yes! I think HMH is a very nice venue (saw DT there last year actually). But I have to say I am not very fond of the other Dutch venues of similar size I attented (for concerts of artists like Alice Cooper, DT again, Jerry Lee Lewis etc.), so I don't exactly know how it compares in quality to the good ones, but most people seem to be fond of it as well. 

Have fun in Amsterdam btw, if you need info, just ask. I study/live there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
Tickets seem to be doing well, the concert I will attent is sold out and they are booked for the next evening as well (venue holds about 5500 people). Probably it being Floor's first NW concert in the Netherlands (I think?) helps. Still, good to see ticket sales doing well.

Going to the Heineken Music Hall?  That place is next to the Holiday Inn Hotel I stay at when I go to Amsterdam for work, will be there next week actually.  I'd love to see a concert there.

Yes! I think HMH is a very nice venue (saw DT there last year actually). But I have to say I am not very fond of the other Dutch venues of similar size I attented (for concerts of artists like Alice Cooper, DT again, Jerry Lee Lewis etc.), so I don't exactly know how it compares in quality to the good ones, but most people seem to be fond of it as well. 

Have fun in Amsterdam btw, if you need info, just ask. I study/live there.

Thanks, made it here today and walked over the Heineken Music Hall just to see the ad for Nightwish lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 02, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
So the pro-shot concert of Rock in Rio is online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1SsoGKsWvA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1SsoGKsWvA)

Warning: the sound is kind of like a bad bootleg, soundboard guys of the broadcast were sleeping. Seems like a great performance though, and Tony Kakko of Sonata Artica sings along with two songs. Too bad the mix kills his vocals.

Still, a nice little appetizer for the upcoming DVD  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 02, 2015, 03:48:28 PM
Thanks for the link.
The sound is nowhere near as bad as you described it, I have many bootlegs that don't sound this good  ;)
It's raw unmixed straight from the soundboard, I've heard a lot worse.
Marco's skirt is pretty cute  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 03, 2015, 01:22:59 PM
awesome, sucks they didn't do more of their set.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 04, 2015, 02:58:55 AM
Interesting that Floor does Stargazers with her classical opera vocals. She seems to do most of the olders songs with pop/rock-type of vocals. Love the diversity of her performance.

Can't wait for the concert over here and the upcoming DVD release of those US shows (and more).

Thanks for the link.
The sound is nowhere near as bad as you described it, I have many bootlegs that don't sound this good  ;)
It's raw unmixed straight from the soundboard, I've heard a lot worse.
Marco's skirt is pretty cute  :biggrin:

Yeah, I was just pissed off that Tony is slmost inaudible when singing the louder parts. Looked at a few cellphone vids and there you can clearly hear him. But overall, it is a very cool performance and the sound is indeed very serviceable  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ronnibran on October 12, 2015, 06:54:36 PM
Finally picked up the newest album "Endless Forms".  Got the mp3 deluxe version with the instrumental versions in case any songs really rubbed me the wrong way.

First impression was that it sounds much like the previous 2 albums. Like a lot.  I figure repeated listens will change that thinking, but that is my first impression.

I have a few full listens in by now.  Pretty good, but not initially liking it as much as Dark Passion Play.  After reading so many glowing reviews of the latest singer I was hoping for a bit more.  Not that it's bad in any way, but just sounds like more of the same a bit.  When it comes down to it, I think I'd take Tarja over the other singers any day.  But at the end of the day, every album by Nightwish is pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 12, 2015, 11:31:30 PM
Your more than likely to missing out on loads of stuff going on with the music, thanks to the compression of mp3.
Of the 3 albums since Tarja was ousted, DPP is still my fave.
Yes I think Tarja is the voice of NW, but she is long gone, so Floor is a very worthy replacement.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on November 03, 2015, 04:13:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtXqUNB8zrU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtXqUNB8zrU)

Official live clip of Yours is an Empty Hope  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on November 03, 2015, 06:47:54 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 21, 2015, 04:25:37 AM
Saw Nightwish at the Heineken Music Hall on thursday.  It was an awesome show and Floor was very moved by the homecrowd reception. Here´s some examples :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGeDbUOiZo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGeDbUOiZo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5T95Psd6bc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5T95Psd6bc)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 21, 2015, 08:41:09 AM
Awesome videos, I am so jealous. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 21, 2015, 01:40:41 PM
Damn, one of these days I'll get to see them live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 22, 2015, 05:23:07 AM
I was actually on the left side of the venue, and the first time those steam cannons went off I was sure something went wrong! From the frontal position you can see its actually a couple of them going off at the same time, but to the side you get the illusion it´s just one stream shooting across the stage. Same with the projection screens. from the side it looks like all one screen when in fact its several smaller ones. Also, you  could really smell the pyro tech fumes when the show started and I was concerned there was a fire going on or something. The the flames went off and I was like´oh, right, pyro!´.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 21, 2015, 03:54:40 AM
Stunning show at Wembley Saturday night. The production was totally bombastic and over the top, and Floor was amazing, note perfect throughout. The Endless Forms material shone. Wembley was sold out (I never knew they were that popular - even DT have the place half empty when they've played there) and the show was filmed for future release. Still on a high!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 05:27:02 AM
Thats awesome, saw they played an interesting set list and saw some videos on youtube, huge crowd. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on December 21, 2015, 06:03:21 AM
Thats awesome, saw they played an interesting set list and saw some videos on youtube, huge crowd.

Saw that too.  Poet and Wolves... :metal  I so want to see them on the next US leg, but they're playing a GA venue in SoCal this time around.  I'm too frikken old for GA  :lol  I need piss breaks, and I'll lose any good spot I have  :loser:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 06:10:22 AM
I already got my ticket for NJ, I'm actually really excited because its a small venue and seeing them sell out Wembley and then I get to see them in some small joint makes me happy because I love that more intimate setting. The last two times I saw them they played much bigger venues as well. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on December 21, 2015, 06:47:49 AM
The gig they're playing around here in February is small, and a small market.  Same venue that I saw Kamelot/Dragonforce a few weeks back - 300 people tops.  Really looking forward to catching them again at that venue.  And hoping they do some of those DPP songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 06:49:03 AM
The gig they're playing around here in February is small, and a small market.  Same venue that I saw Kamelot/Dragonforce a few weeks back - 300 people tops.  Really looking forward to catching them again at that venue.  And hoping they do some of those DPP songs.

haha same with me, the same venue Kamelot/Dragonforce played here which also drew a small crowd.  I do know Nightwish is much more popular, I think the show by me could sell out.  Also with Delain and Sonata Arctica, they got a good bill.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 21, 2015, 09:09:46 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing them in 3 weeks here in Sydney.
If they keep the set list the same as the European tour, I will be very happy.
That really obscure 'movie' song is a very nice surprise too  :o
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 09:48:47 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing them in 3 weeks here in Sydney.
If they keep the set list the same as the European tour, I will be very happy.
That really obscure 'movie' song is a very nice surprise too  :o

I can't say Im a fan of the song, but do think it's cool they played it and switched things up a bit. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 21, 2015, 02:03:52 PM
I love the song.
I hope that they pull out more older stuff from Oceanborn and Wishmaster.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
Agreed, when they come back to the States I am hoping for a revamped setlist, but at least I know they switch up enough songs that I should get a fairly different set from the first show of the tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 22, 2015, 12:45:15 PM
Stunning show at Wembley Saturday night. The production was totally bombastic and over the top, and Floor was amazing, note perfect throughout. The Endless Forms material shone. Wembley was sold out (I never knew they were that popular - even DT have the place half empty when they've played there) and the show was filmed for future release. Still on a high!  :metal :metal :metal

I suppose they're going to do some editing to not show Dawkins forgetting his line and having to look at the cheat sheet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 12:45:57 PM
Stunning show at Wembley Saturday night. The production was totally bombastic and over the top, and Floor was amazing, note perfect throughout. The Endless Forms material shone. Wembley was sold out (I never knew they were that popular - even DT have the place half empty when they've played there) and the show was filmed for future release. Still on a high!  :metal :metal :metal

I suppose they're going to do some editing to not show Dawkins forgetting his line and having to look at the cheat sheet.

hahahahaha really? thats hilarious ONE JOB Dawkins!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on January 09, 2016, 11:41:53 AM
Back from the Sydney show.
Over the years I've seen quite a few Nightwish shows, with all 3 singers.
The earlier shows, from 2000 era were pretty raw and rough, they have progressed so much over the years.
Now a very professional and slick live act, having seen them 2 years ago at the same venue, that was my girlfriend's first ever concert.
This time we brought her 15 year old daughter, which was her first live show too.

Suffice to say it was probably the best NW show I have seen, just beating out Hartwell Arena Helsinki 2005 (Tarja's last show).
Everyone was on top form, set list was great, a few surprises and the audience was pretty loud.
While Your Lips Are Still Red, was amazing, with Troy in electric guitar while Emppu took a break.
Ghost Love Score was pretty amazing, with Floor pretty much making it her own now.
I wanted to buy a shirt, as I didn't pay for the 3 tickets, but they were all gone pretty fast.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 09, 2016, 05:25:14 PM
Good to hear mate -  I'll get online and brush up on the songs from the set.  I'll be there in Melbourne on Monday.

I came to Nightwish more as a fan of Floor than anything (was only a very casual fan before) and so not overly familiar with any "deep cuts" they might use.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2016, 07:41:40 PM
My sister went to last night's show, and thought it was excellent.
Even though I'm not familiar with a lot of Nightwish, I probably would have gone if I didn't have work to do.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 10, 2016, 12:50:58 AM
Brent, not many deep cuts really:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2016/enmore-theatre-sydney-australia-4bf24bbe.html

With the Melbourne sell out crowd should be a good gig.
I watched Kai closely, as I am a big fan of his other bands (Swallow The Sun and Wintersun) and he was
an absolute monster.
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Post by: Bolsters on January 10, 2016, 01:47:09 AM
I probably would have gone if I didn't have work to do.
This is not something you say very often, is it. :laugh:
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 10, 2016, 02:12:35 AM
I probably would have gone if I didn't have work to do.
This is not something you say very often, is it. :laugh:

I said I had work to do, not that I was actually doing it. :neverusethis:

But no, it's not something I often say. :lol

Kinda wish I had gone though, because it's been ages since I've gone to a gig, and they played some songs I really like (like Weak Fantasy).
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Post by: gazinwales on January 10, 2016, 04:48:14 PM
I didn't realise until after the show, that they played at least one song from every album (apart from the debut).
Which I thought was pretty cool.
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Post by: ErHaO on January 11, 2016, 06:57:57 AM
I was at the first HMH show last November and they are indeed on fire now, amazing show. If you have the chance, definately go see them.

And I was surprised to see which venues they sold out or almost sold out last year. Some pretty big ones carrying over 10.000 people, not only Wembley. Well deserved I'd say! Seeing that, it suddenly made sense why Arch Enemy and Amorphis, both well known acts within metal, were openers (though I really think Arch Enemy felt out of place in terms of music).
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Post by: bl5150 on January 11, 2016, 07:02:35 AM
Just back from the gig and it was a really good night.  Unlike the last DT show where overwhelming volume/bass made pretty much everything inaudible , the sound (even though a bit bass heavy) was pretty clear.   Floor put on a vocal masterclass as always - effortless power , awesome stage presence and infectious enthusiasm.

The one major issue I have had with Nightwish over the years is them going back to the well too many times with the same old formula for many of their riffs (and some of the Celtic style melodies) and over the course of the gig I felt the same at times but that's really nitpicking. 

Top night and I would definitely go and see them again.

And here's something that never seems to happen - the support band had the crowd in the palm of their hand after the first minute and were actually pretty damn good.  Pretty basic Maiden influenced metal but good stuff.................and turns out I have an album of theirs and had forgotten about it. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2016, 07:46:03 AM
Yea, NW is definitely getting popular.  The two times I saw them in NYC, one of the last shows with Annette and then this past year with Floor.. they played a bigger venue and had a very good turn out (although not sold out).  To compare, I saw them at the same places I have seen DT and both times had similar sized crowds. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2016, 09:23:43 AM
And here's something that never seems to happen - the support band had the crowd in the palm of their hand after the first minute and were actually pretty damn good.  Pretty basic Maiden influenced metal but good stuff.................and turns out I have an album of theirs and had forgotten about it. :lol

Who was that?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on January 11, 2016, 02:57:29 PM
And here's something that never seems to happen - the support band had the crowd in the palm of their hand after the first minute and were actually pretty damn good.  Pretty basic Maiden influenced metal but good stuff.................and turns out I have an album of theirs and had forgotten about it. :lol

Who was that?

Taberah.    I would be surprised if anyone has heard of them - the lead singer/guitarist was a real card.  Looked like Cozmo on speed.  ;D
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Post by: TAC on January 11, 2016, 03:36:41 PM
And here's something that never seems to happen - the support band had the crowd in the palm of their hand after the first minute and were actually pretty damn good.  Pretty basic Maiden influenced metal but good stuff.................and turns out I have an album of theirs and had forgotten about it. :lol

Who was that?

Taberah.    I would be surprised if anyone has heard of them - the lead singer/guitarist was a real card.  Looked like Cozmo on speed.  ;D

Soon to be heard on the next DTF Podcast I hope!
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Post by: bl5150 on January 11, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
And here's something that never seems to happen - the support band had the crowd in the palm of their hand after the first minute and were actually pretty damn good.  Pretty basic Maiden influenced metal but good stuff.................and turns out I have an album of theirs and had forgotten about it. :lol

Who was that?

Taberah.    I would be surprised if anyone has heard of them - the lead singer/guitarist was a real card.  Looked like Cozmo on speed.  ;D

Soon to be heard on the next DTF Podcast I hope!

I need to revisit the studio album but yeah..............it had crossed my mind  ;D
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2016, 06:16:53 PM
And here's something that never seems to happen - the support band had the crowd in the palm of their hand after the first minute and were actually pretty damn good.  Pretty basic Maiden influenced metal but good stuff.................and turns out I have an album of theirs and had forgotten about it. :lol

Who was that?

Taberah.    I would be surprised if anyone has heard of them - the lead singer/guitarist was a real card.  Looked like Cozmo on speed.  ;D

Soon to be heard on the next DTF Podcast I hope!

I need to revisit the studio album but yeah..............it had crossed my mind  ;D

Cool... they are on Spotify too.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 11, 2016, 06:28:23 PM
I'm checking out Endless Forms and I'm starting to really like it, and taking to Floor's voice more.  I still miss Tarja though.  I'm royally pissed because I can't go see them in NJ next month because of my license suspension.  I don't think they're playing in New York.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 11, 2016, 08:16:45 PM
Likewise, I still miss Tarja, but we have the old albums, and her solo stuff which is also excellent.
Floor is great and does justice to many of the older songs.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2016, 05:54:05 AM
I'm checking out Endless Forms and I'm starting to really like it, and taking to Floor's voice more.  I still miss Tarja though.  I'm royally pissed because I can't go see them in NJ next month because of my license suspension.  I don't think they're playing in New York.

They played NYC last year.... just grab an Uber to get there.  That's what I am doing for the show next month since I plan on boozing.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 12, 2016, 06:05:47 AM
I'm checking out Endless Forms and I'm starting to really like it, and taking to Floor's voice more.  I still miss Tarja though.  I'm royally pissed because I can't go see them in NJ next month because of my license suspension.  I don't think they're playing in New York.

They played NYC last year.... just grab an Uber to get there.  That's what I am doing for the show next month since I plan on boozing.

That's definitely an option. That reminds me, I need to get my Epica ticket when I get paid Thursday.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2016, 06:13:30 AM
Uber aint cheap though.  For me, I've done the pre-game at home, uber to and from Starland twice now.  The price has ranged from $8 to $40 one way  :lol  but worth it instead of getting behind the wheel.  I guess I could just not drink either, but concerts are so much more fun when you have a few drinks.
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Post by: Randaran on January 21, 2016, 12:13:28 PM
Is the debut worth listening to? I love the rest of the Tarja era albums, especially Wishmaster and Century Child, but have never been able to get more than three tracks into Angels Fall First before turning it off. The Carpenter is easily one of my least favorite Nightwish songs, and it kills my motivation to proceed further into the record.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 21, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Is the debut worth listening to? I love the rest of the Tarja era albums, especially Wishmaster and Century Child, but have never been able to get more than three tracks into Angels Fall First before turning it off. The Carpenter is easily one of my least favorite Nightwish songs, and it kills my motivation to proceed further into the record.

Is it worth listening to, yes.  Is it their worst album, IMO yes.  I don't think it's all bad though. 
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Post by: Cyclopssss on January 21, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Yeah, that album has a typical ´debutalbum´ feel to it. It has some nice ideas, but some of the tracks are truely horrendous. Tomas Holopainen himself has said he views it as a glorified demo. The band showed a steep learning curve after that, though.
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Post by: 425 on January 21, 2016, 12:26:23 PM
I would say that it is worth it for the title track and Lappi at least. I think it's a decent album and definitely worth listening to, but it does seem kind of demo-ish.

The Carpenter is really weak, mostly because of Tuomas's off-key singing in the chorus. Nothing else really is discordant like that.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 21, 2016, 12:28:49 PM
Yeah, that album has a typical ´debutalbum´ feel to it. It has some nice ideas, but some of the tracks are truely horrendous. Tomas Holopainen himself has said he views it as a glorified demo. The band showed a steep learning curve after that, though.

Agreed. If you listen to the albums in chronological order you can actually see the clear shift in not just the music, but the song writing consistently got better.  I totally see it as a glorified demo.  There are parts that are great, but the songs themselves mostly are not.  I say it's worth listening to because you seem to be a fan of the band. 
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Post by: gazinwales on January 21, 2016, 10:54:20 PM
AFF was my first NW album, it was a complete shock at the time (1997) to hear those vocals with that music.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on January 21, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
it was definetely a novelty genre at that time.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 05, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
I'm supposed to see NW the first night of the second leg two weeks from today, but just found out I might be flying home from Denver that evening  >:(.  If so, thinking I might make the drive up to Connecticut the next day to see them.  :metal

Easily the best concert I went to last year so I don't want to miss this opportunity.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2016, 05:03:55 PM
Bumping this because due to my issue above, I cannot attend this Friday's show.  I purchased my tickets for will call and I went to the box office over the weekend to see if I can get them to put up for sale since the show is sold out, but they couldn't do that since they won't have the tickets until Friday.

Having said that, the point of the bump, I can transfer them to someone.  If anyone in the NJ/NYC area is looking to go to the sold out Delain/Sonata Arctica/Nightwish show, I can give them the tickets, two of them.  For DTF, I can do this for the fine fee of 0 dollars.  Would rather someone enjoy the show than nothing at all.

Anyway, the Connecticut show the next night is sold out as well, but one ticket finally came up on stubhub and i snatched it right up, for about $100 over face value.  Oh well, at least I am going to get to see them.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on February 17, 2016, 10:31:28 PM
Damn, if i didn't have work in Philly on friday I'd snap those up instantly  :'(
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Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2016, 07:44:30 AM
Awesome concert in Hartford Connecticut.

So I made the drive for this one, but it was definitely worth it.  Setlist was fairly standard for what they've been doing, only a few different songs since last year when they last came around, While Yours Lips are Red, Seven Days to the Wolves,and Ever Dream.  The crowd was really into them, being a sold out show.  I showed up just after Delain started played and the place was packed already.  Everyone at the concert seemed very friendly, much different than some of my other concert experiences were there always seems to be a jerk.  The website said there was a coat check but when I got there, none was to be found.  I ended up throwing a nice tip to one of the bartenders who looked the other way as I went into the backroom and hung my jacket up on the employee room  :lol

Some videos I got:

Ever Dream - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYj3OTaA5ug
Ghost Love Score - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAc4nQ3-9Sk
and assortment of clips - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3V58LhPn6E
also, best part of that above video https://youtu.be/j3V58LhPn6E?t=16m10s
when I catch Emppu's guitar pick!

Delain was awesome, I will write a review in the Delain thread, but I was not impressed with Sonata Arctica.  It didn't help that they sounded like shit either, all drums and couldn't hear the guitar or vocals.
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Post by: Shadow2222 on February 22, 2016, 09:45:19 AM
Glad to hear that you had a good time, cramx3!

I'm a little disappointed to see that the setlist is so unchanged from last year, but I'm not that upset considering I love the majority of the songs in the setlist.

What I am disappointed to hear about is Sonata Arctica. They are one of my favorite bands so I hope they are mixed better at the Columbus concert on Thursday. I do wish they were playing more songs from Pariah's Child (latest album), since it is actually one of my favorites.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Glad to hear that you had a good time, cramx3!

I'm a little disappointed to see that the setlist is so unchanged from last year, but I'm not that upset considering I love the majority of the songs in the setlist.

What I am disappointed to hear about is Sonata Arctica. They are one of my favorite bands so I hope they are mixed better at the Columbus concert on Thursday. I do wish they were playing more songs from Pariah's Child (latest album), since it is actually one of my favorites.

I think if the sound was better it would have been more enjoyable.  I like a few of their songs and it didn't seem to be a bad performance, just totally ruined by the mix.  I don't think I had ever experienced such an uneven mix before, and it was only them.  Delain/NW sounded great.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 23, 2016, 02:17:35 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing them this leg, but their LA show is general admission  :'(  I'm too frikken old and spoiled for GA  :lol  Beers+old = a LOT of pee breaks.  So I'd never have a good vantage
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Post by: Big Hath on February 23, 2016, 06:12:13 PM
just starting to get into this band.  Do they have a kick ass, must have dvd/blu-ray by chance?
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 23, 2016, 06:37:28 PM
just starting to get into this band.  Do they have a kick ass, must have dvd/blu-ray by chance?
Showtime/Storytime live at Waken 2013 - EXCELLENT!!!!
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Post by: 425 on February 23, 2016, 06:56:07 PM
End of an Era is also good if you want one with Tarja (the singer on their first five albums). Showtime, Storytime is probably better, though.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 23, 2016, 06:56:24 PM
just starting to get into this band.  Do they have a kick ass, must have dvd/blu-ray by chance?
Showtime/Storytime live at Waken 2013 - EXCELLENT!!!!

^That.

End of an Era is pretty damned great too - but a little hard to come by.

Edit - Ninja'd.
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Post by: Adami on February 23, 2016, 08:06:09 PM
How do you guys feel about the mix of Showtime Storytime? I'm immensely let down by it.

The backing tracks/keyboard are super buried and I just really don't like the way the guitars or drums sound. Vocals sound good though.

It's a shame since the performances and video are so amazing.

That one video they released of Ghost Love Score from a different show had an amazing mix, I wish they would have done a similar mix for the dvd. I can't even listen to the songs when they come on my Ipod anymore, I just get so annoyed by how lazy the mix sounds.

I'm sure the next one will be better.

Speaking of which, I was under the impression we were getting another Floor bluray/dvd. Did I imagine this?
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 23, 2016, 08:09:28 PM
Nothing tops that Argentina Ghost Love Score performance. Nothing.

That being said, I don't have issues with the mix of the DVD. It's not crystal clear as the Argentina song, but it's cool nonetheless.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 23, 2016, 08:11:34 PM
I thought they shot video in Vancouver last year?

I too have no issue with the Wacken show.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 24, 2016, 08:16:39 AM
How do you guys feel about the mix of Showtime Storytime? I'm immensely let down by it.

The backing tracks/keyboard are super buried and I just really don't like the way the guitars or drums sound. Vocals sound good though.

It's a shame since the performances and video are so amazing.

That one video they released of Ghost Love Score from a different show had an amazing mix, I wish they would have done a similar mix for the dvd. I can't even listen to the songs when they come on my Ipod anymore, I just get so annoyed by how lazy the mix sounds.

I'm sure the next one will be better.

Speaking of which, I was under the impression we were getting another Floor bluray/dvd. Did I imagine this?

What's great about the blu-ray is that it also includes in the bonus features, that performance of Ghost Love Score.  A lot of this is on youtube though, so one can always check that out before purchase.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 24, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Just to get in the feels of this conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3brcfttchzA

Floor was born to be in this band.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 24, 2016, 09:04:58 AM
 :metal

That video is really amazing.  She is so great live!  I've never been happier to over spend and drive a distance to see a band before.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 24, 2016, 09:26:51 AM
I haven't had the joy of watching them live with Floor yet, but I'm so so looking forward to it. I've always thought she's a great middle point between Tarja's extreme operatic vocals and Annette's sweet voice.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 24, 2016, 09:33:58 AM
I haven't had the joy of watching them live with Floor yet, but I'm so so looking forward to it. I've always thought she's a great middle point between Tarja's extreme operatic vocals and Annette's sweet voice.

Agreed on all counts.  This tour presented opportunities to see them.  But I was SO disappointed with the most recent album that having to drive a good distance to see a set dominated by the new material just was not appealing to me, notwithstanding getting to see Floor fronting the band.
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Post by: Adami on February 24, 2016, 10:30:45 AM
I haven't had the joy of watching them live with Floor yet, but I'm so so looking forward to it. I've always thought she's a great middle point between Tarja's extreme operatic vocals and Annette's sweet voice.

I was fortunate enough to see them with Floor like a week after Anette left. Man, they were on FIRE. I've seen Nightwish live maybe 4-5 times and usually they seem kind of bored/tired, but this show they were really pumped. Tons of energy and amazing performances from everyone. And they played Higher than Hope with the family of the guy who it's about on the side of the stage. Man, I nearly teared up, there was so much raw emotion on that stage then.

Also got to meet them prior, super nice. Especially Empu.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 25, 2016, 01:37:12 AM
Floor definetely brings it live. I understand the dissapointment with the last cd, but remember that Tuomas writes 99% of all the music on the albums, plus the lyrics. I can understand them playing it relatively 'safe' with the first album with her on vocals. Seeing her perform Poet and the Pendulum, Ghost Love Score AND 7 days to the Wolves AND Stargazers live though....amazing.
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Post by: ErHaO on February 25, 2016, 03:58:25 AM
Floor definetely brings it live. I understand the dissapointment with the last cd, but remember that Tuomas writes 99% of all the music on the albums, plus the lyrics. I can understand them playing it relatively 'safe' with the first album with her on vocals. Seeing her perform Poet and the Pendulum, Ghost Love Score AND 7 days to the Wolves AND Stargazers live though....amazing.

Yes, while I really like their latest album but loved older Tarja/Anette studio performances more, live is where Floor brings the true difference to this band. Seeing them last year was one of the best shows I ever saw in terms of vocals (Marco sounded great as well!). Her versitality is something to behold and her stage presence is also great. And I always have some of the Wacken performances in my playlist. Looking forward to the new live release a lot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on February 25, 2016, 06:33:55 AM
Man, I LOVED their last album. It sounds like it's going to be 3-5 years before the next album.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2016, 06:35:44 AM
I also LOVED the newest album, bought one of those flag posters at the concert last weekend and it is hanging in my basement along with my Iron Maiden flag posters.  In fact that lead me to buy three more flag posters to complete my basement wall with them  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2016, 01:33:33 PM
Floor definetely brings it live. I understand the dissapointment with the last cd, but remember that Tuomas writes 99% of all the music on the albums, plus the lyrics. I can understand them playing it relatively 'safe' with the first album with her on vocals. Seeing her perform Poet and the Pendulum, Ghost Love Score AND 7 days to the Wolves AND Stargazers live though....amazing.
My disappointment with the last CD has nothing to do with Floor.  It is all on Tuomas.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on March 08, 2016, 10:39:23 AM
Saw Nightwish last night. Another excellent show. Floor took a few moments on the stage by herself to recall the last time she performed in Seattle, only hours after the band asked her to join them after releasing Annette. She appeared to get a little misty recalling waiting backstage "shitting her pants" before coming out for the first time, not knowing what the crowd response was going to be. She thanked us profusely for welcoming her with open arms and banging heads, and thanked the band for the best 3.5 years of her life. Thank YOU Floor. No thank you to the sound guy who could have turned up Floor's mic a bit during their set.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:47:30 AM
Got an email that the show last night was canceled. Anyone hear why?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2016, 09:46:08 AM
Got an email that the show last night was canceled. Anyone hear why?

Said illness, but I'm wondering what's up as well.
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Post by: Djurico on March 09, 2016, 11:04:59 AM
I saw Nightwish live last week and it was simply amazing. Floor was made to sing these songs. The sound was amazing as they were playing probably the best venue for sound in the city as opposed to one of the bars. I lost my shit the entire set.
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Post by: ErHaO on March 09, 2016, 11:26:46 AM
Got an email that the show last night was canceled. Anyone hear why?

Said illness, but I'm wondering what's up as well.

Well, there are some nasty viruses circulating now. I think the flu is pretty heavy hitting this year (in Europe at least), so I imagine that can be a legit, sudden reason?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
Got an email that the show last night was canceled. Anyone hear why?

Said illness, but I'm wondering what's up as well.

Well, there are some nasty viruses circulating now. I think the flu is pretty heavy hitting this year (in Europe at least), so I imagine that can be a legit, sudden reason?

Totally since I've been out sick the last few days and I know I am not the only one.  Just wondering if it's something this simple since we all know the history of them almost cancelling a show in the US.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on March 09, 2016, 12:17:29 PM
Damn, glad they made it through Monday's show.

I was thinking while watching them, this band has the perfect make-up of members. Consider:

Brooding, tortured soul poet lyricist: Check
Atmospheric keyboards: Check
Good looking guitarist who can pound out riffs and solos: Check
Attractive, talented lead singer will a wide range and powerful, soaring vocals: Check
Thundering bassist: Check
A rock behind the drum kit: Check (forgot they have a new/temp guy on drums. He was awesome).
Bonus: Dude who is a master of unique, quirky instruments: Check
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Good points, I think Troy adds a lot to the band.  I had no idea he plays guitar too until seeing them, so besides his pipes and back up vocals, he adds a second guitar. 
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Post by: ErHaO on March 11, 2016, 07:31:02 AM
Yes, their current formation is both fantastic to look at and listen to. Their stage presence feels surprisingly balanced, for a stage that holds Floor, Tuomas, and Marco. I indeed think having Troy is a major addition. I really liked the extra vocals and the folk instruments that come up every now and then.

I know it isn't feasible for a lot of artists, but I really appreciate it when most of the instruments are actually played live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 08:06:53 AM
I know it isn't feasible for a lot of artists, but I really appreciate it when most of the instruments are actually played live.

That's a reason why I love My Walden, Troy goes from playing one pipe to another mid instrumental section (I don't know the names of them, one is more like a flute and the other is more like a bagpipe).  Really awesome, I put the video of that on my facebook page I love it so much.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 11, 2016, 10:29:00 AM
The only album I have listened to is Endless Forms Most Beautiful. Some cool songs in it - "Weak Fantasy", "My Walden", "Alpenglow" and "The Eyes Of Sharbat Gulah" are my favourites. I love those folk-ish instrumental flavours.

My best friend is a big Nightwish fan, so I've listened to some of the more classic (Tarja-era) material too, but not that much.

I'd also recommend Turisas, another Finnish metal band with symphonic and folk elements. This is my favourite song by them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLQjwWpXe14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLQjwWpXe14). Symphonic, proggy, with a catchy chorus, and a cool solo.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
Yesterday I was talking with a friend about the band and we came to the conclusion that the evolution Nightwish has had in the later years is awesome. I've been a fan of the band since 2004 or something like that, but now that they've undergone two vocalist changes and a big sound evolution I can totally resonate with I appreciate them more than ever. Endless Forms Most Beautiful is far from being my favorite NW album but I love where they went, and that's the same way I felt with both Imaginaerum and Dark Passion Play back in their respective release stages.

*Appreciates with passion*
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 18, 2016, 06:50:38 PM
We need Floor singing Phantom.

Whose with me?
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2016, 07:49:59 PM
We need Floor singing Phantom.

Whose with me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmm4RAP7abI

There's lots of others with better quality. Just youtube Floor Jansen Phantom.
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Post by: TheSilentHam on March 23, 2016, 10:32:48 PM
Just got back from Delain\Sonata Arctica\Nightwish.  Last show of their 2016 North American Tour (Tampa).  Awesome night!  Absolutely packed venue.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2016, 05:18:34 AM
They had a lot of sold out/packed shows this tour.  I don't expect the US to see them again for some time.
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Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 24, 2016, 07:37:00 AM
Just got back from Delain\Sonata Arctica\Nightwish.  Last show of their 2016 North American Tour (Tampa).  Awesome night!  Absolutely packed venue.

Dammit I knew there was something I wanted to do last night.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 18, 2016, 11:08:19 AM
Moscow Nightwish show is in two days! I have high expectations for this one since the tickets are really expensive for this show. I've bought my general admission ticket a few months ago and back then the price was about 70$ (for example, I've got Avantasia show ticket for $30), and now the price for GA is about $90-95. My friends ended up skipping the show so apparently I'm going alone.

They've been saying there will be no Meet and Greet for any Russian shows, but then like a week ago they announced there are 50 tickets for Moscow Meet and Greet session, with the price about $120 for the ticket (the ticket is M&G only, so you still have to buy the concert ticket to attend the show). I skipped that offer because that's kind of expensive for a few autographs, a photo and a quick chat with the band.

Apparently the M&G tickets weren't selling out too well so they've changed the price to a half of what it was, and now it's only $60. I decided I'll just work an extra day overtime in May and ordered it. :D I guess I'll have a chance to sign my EFMB artbook and maybe get Marco's autograph at TTOE book too, we'll see.

Oh, and does anyone want to ask anyone from the band anything? I may be able to pass your question if the opportunity arises.
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Post by: bl5150 on May 18, 2016, 11:10:47 AM
I would like to ask Floor if she will marry me  :corn

Outside of that perhaps what Floor will be doing during the "year off".............side projects, ReVamp etc...?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 11:56:15 AM
That's awesome Evermind.  You'll have a blast.  Both shows I saw on the tour were fantastic.

As for the higher ticket prices.... well I paid about 3 times face value to see them so I am quite jealous you can do a meet and greet and get a ticket for less than what I paid  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 18, 2016, 12:01:15 PM
As for the higher ticket prices.... well I paid about 3 times face value to see them so I am quite jealous you can do a meet and greet and get a ticket for less than what I paid  :lol

I think it's also the matter of currency value... that would've been pretty cheap for me like three or four years ago, but now the dollar is worth almost twice as much in roubles as it was back then, it's absolutely not cheap. I think the ticket + meet and greet cost ended up being about 15% of my monthly work payment, so there's that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 12:16:47 PM
Damn, blame Putin  :lol sucks its costing that much for you.  I was only comparing the $.  But like I said, it'll be a good time so hopefully worth it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 18, 2016, 12:20:59 PM
Damn, blame Putin  :lol sucks its costing that much for you.  I was only comparing the $.  But like I said, it'll be a good time so hopefully worth it.

That I do. :lol I think it started happening after that dumb Crimea move. But anyway, don't want to go into politics. And yeah, I agree, I'm sure the show will be totally worth it. :tup

Oh, and Brent:

Outside of that perhaps what Floor will be doing during the "year off".............side projects, ReVamp etc...?

This exact question was asked in Russian interview three days ago here (https://youtu.be/caYkl_vshqs?t=4m10s), she basically says she hasn't decided yet but she just wants to be home and maybe write some music without any obligations or schedule or something like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 20, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
Well, it started later than scheduled - we had no chance to do single photos and we took pictures in groups of four people, and my hair is kind of soaked a bit because of the rain, but hey, that's something at least. I'm sure you guys can find me.   :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/qTClgro.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2016, 09:15:16 AM
Im pretty sure you are the girl next to floor  :lol j/k I can figure out who you are by the t-shirt.  That sounds really shitty you didnt get an individual photo and it also stinks that the band isn't even standing!  Is that normal?  From shots I have seen on facebook from other bands that does not seem to be the norm.
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Post by: bl5150 on May 20, 2016, 09:17:38 AM

Oh, and Brent:

Outside of that perhaps what Floor will be doing during the "year off".............side projects, ReVamp etc...?

This exact question was asked in Russian interview three days ago here (https://youtu.be/caYkl_vshqs?t=4m10s), she basically says she hasn't decided yet but she just wants to be home and maybe write some music without any obligations or schedule or something like that.

Thanks...........how were the band with you? Sounds like it was a big rush.   Bands charging huge $$ and then brushing people off at meet and greets is a pet peeve of mine.   At least pretend that you want to be there and allocate an appropriate amount of time .  :-\
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 20, 2016, 09:22:12 AM
It was really - and I mean really - rushed. We literally walked in, quickly signed our items (I've got Marco signature on my copy of The Theory of Everything! Six singers left :biggrin:), quickly formed up behind the band, the organizers took pictures with our phones (my phone ended up having the most decent camera so I had to share the pics with everyone after :lol),  and then we were out. I haven't even got a chance to ask anything.

I think they either sold too many tickets or started too late. Not sure but hey, I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on May 20, 2016, 09:24:39 AM
I think that's really poor - but as long as you're not too disappointed , then I will not get pissed off on your behalf  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 20, 2016, 09:25:23 AM

Oh, and Brent:

Outside of that perhaps what Floor will be doing during the "year off".............side projects, ReVamp etc...?

This exact question was asked in Russian interview three days ago here (https://youtu.be/caYkl_vshqs?t=4m10s), she basically says she hasn't decided yet but she just wants to be home and maybe write some music without any obligations or schedule or something like that.

Thanks...........how were the band with you? Sounds like it was a big rush.   Bands charging huge $$ and then brushing people off at meet and greets is a pet peeve of mine.   At least pretend that you want to be there and allocate an appropriate amount of time .  :-\

The band was super nice, I think it was an organizational problem (like everything in Russia really). All musicians were friendly and nice, and I had a small chat with Marco because he was singing two of my items instead of just one. He seemed surprised that I brought TTOE of all things to sign but he also visibly appreciated it. Or maybe I just want to think he did. :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 20, 2016, 09:27:37 AM
I think that's really poor - but as long as you're not too disappointed , then I will not get pissed off on your behalf  ;D

Well, we don't get any meets and greets usually. It wasn't top expensive, I've got to see and shake hands with the band... it was alright for the first experience.

I don't think I'll go for the second experience though if the opportunity arises. Not in my country at least. The security were total assholes by the way. :lol

Looking forward to the actual show!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 20, 2016, 04:19:30 PM
Setlist (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2016/crocus-city-hall-moscow-russia-3fead37.html)

As usual, only the Part 2 and 3 of TGSOE were played live.

Well, the show was really good, but not great. I couldn't make it to the first row because of - hilariously - meet and greet. After M&G you just had to walk out of the building and join the line at the actual hall entrance. :facepalm: So I settled for like third or fourth row or so.

The show started half an hour late, and the actual length was about ~1:40. It's funny, I witnessed Avantasia playing for more than three hours and I was ready to hear more music from them, but Nightwish show was only 1:40 and I didn't want to hear another song actually. I'll be honest, Avantasia show was more to my taste, it was more engaging, more diverse, more everything (and the tickets were cheaper too).

Highlights for me were Ever Dream, Elan (I know, I know, I'm biased and I love this song so much), I Want My Tears Back (they should scratch My Walden out of the setlist) and Last Ride of the Day. And obviously the Floor's high note on Ghost Love Score, she nailed it big time as usual.

And even though I didn't get to the front, I managed to catch this:

(https://i.imgur.com/kosNIRT.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/lwzRnUG.jpg)

:biggrin:

All in all, I'd say this evening was a blast, even with some inconveniences throughout.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ronnibran on May 20, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
It was really - and I mean really - rushed. We literally walked in, quickly signed our items (I've got Marco signature on my copy of The Theory of Everything! Six singers left :biggrin:), quickly formed up behind the band, the organizers took pictures with our phones (my phone ended up having the most decent camera so I had to share the pics with everyone after :lol),  and then we were out. I haven't even got a chance to ask anything.

I think they either sold too many tickets or started too late. Not sure but hey, I'll take what I can get.

I've been to a couple meet and greets for different bands and this is always how I felt leaving...  I don't blame the bands, but it really is a luxury item and you need to have low expectations going in unfortunately.  I would never do it again for DT, it was SOOO expensive, started super late and was rushed like you wouldn't believe.  Transatlantic was relatively well cost, but it was set up confusing, had security issues, and got in too late so was rushed right out.  Ah well, still cool to see your musical idols close up in person.

Like I said, I don't blame the bands, I think they do it with good intentions for the most part, but it often gets managed poorly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 20, 2016, 08:07:06 PM
I did a meet and greet for Nightwish back in like 2012 or something. It was Floor's 3rd or 4th show with the band since Annette left. I was just standing in the general line and was told for an extra like 50 bucks I could do the meet and greet and go in early, so I said hell yes. The band was...cool. I remember saying thank you to Tuomas in Finnish, thinking I was so clever. Then he answered me in Finnish and I realized I had no idea how to say you're welcome in Finnish, so maybe he was saying "Stop pretending to speak my language you bald bastard." Nice guys. Jukka was a bit sick, so he was quiet, and the most social, by far, was Emppu. The rest of the guys just kind of said hey and signed my stuff and smiled. Emppu was the only one to actually try to start a conversation with me. Floor was also very sweet. However, after the signing we got to go into the show early, before anyone else. Got front row. Awesome show. I think for the Kamelot portion, there's a video of it from the front row and you see me, like an idiot, singing along to March of Mephisto or something.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2016, 06:10:10 AM
Evermind, I caught the same pic, good stuff.  Can't believe they didn't just let you guys cut the line though, crazy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 14, 2016, 05:09:20 PM
So i've been kind off the radar when it comes to Nightwish, I used to be a big fan and seen them 3 times but the last time I saw them was during The Dark Passion WT back in I think 2007. Been following them on and off but I don't now for some reason I haven't felt compelled to see them live since then. Now from clips i've seen they're probably better live than ever so i'm a bit bummed I missed them on this tour. Not only for Floor but also for Kai, he's a beast and i've never seen him live. Floor is a freaking powerhose, her voice is incredible and I really think they finally found their singer which I think has been established for a while though.
Anette was great on their studio albums but unfortunately her voice didn't really reach the same level live, she simply didn't have enough power. Both Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are excellent albums if you ask me. Floor however is great both in studio and even better live in a way and she does an epic windmill on stage, that's a big plus.

Will sink myself into their recent release, haven't given it enough spinns.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2016, 05:11:07 PM
Floor is a freaking powerhose

I'm not sure what that means, but :omg:
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 14, 2016, 05:21:53 PM
Floor is a freaking powerhose

I'm not sure what that means, but :omg:
I'm not sure either, it just felt right to say or i'm confusing it with some other word.  :lol Either way I was refering to her singing with power.....like a hose?!?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on June 14, 2016, 05:36:19 PM
It's a Scandinavian word for the pants that Floor wears when singing power metal - powerhose(n)  :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2016, 06:29:07 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 15, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
Great news that the Australian Synchronised Swimming Team will be performing to 'Last Ride Of The Day' (orchestral version) at the Rio Olympics.
https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/label/music/band/news/details/4381254.70948.nightwish-song-in-olympischen-spielen.html?sc_src=email_778184&sc_llid=25896&sc_lid=18374359&sc_uid=sHF9qzOqqe&sc_eh=ad5c1c75da57ee571
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 26, 2016, 10:59:23 AM
I totally missed the announcement of the new live album back in July, and it seems everyone else did, too, since it wasn't posted in this thread!

It looks like we have a new live Blu-Ray/DVD/CD coming out next week called Vehicle of Spirit (https://nightwish.com/en/news/2016/07/announcing-the-vehicle-of-spirit-live-dvd) which documents two shows, from Wembley and Tampere.

(https://nightwish.com/en/news/2016/07/announcing-the-vehicle-of-spirit-live-dvd/177985_Nightwish___Vehicle_Of_Spirit_Earbookcover.jpg)

Here is the track listing:

Blu-Ray 1/DVD 1 (The Wembley Show):

Blu-Ray 2/DVD 2 (The Tampere Show):

Blu-Ray 2 Continued/DVD 3 (Extras):

The two CDs on the limited edition contain the audio of the Wembley show, and I assume the three LPs in the box set do as well.. This release is up for preorder now and appears to available in the many permutations that we typically see for live releases now. The box set with the LP appears to be very limited release, and the Blu-Ray/DVD/CD version seems to be limited as well.

Obviously this seems like a fantastic release. I was very disappointed to have missed this tour so this will be a must-buy for me. Really awesome setlists and a good variety between the two shows and extras. I'm very excited to hear Floor on a lot of these songs, particularly the Dark Passion Play tracks. I do wish that they had a CD release for the Tampere show as well, simply because I like to have both the live video and audio—I suppose I'll probably end up ripping the audio from the DVD and hoping that works out. I'm planning to order myself the Blu-Ray/DVD/CD set this afternoon. I guess the price comes out to about $50, which is more than I would usually pay for a live release, but this is a pretty big value and it's not everyday that one of my favorite bands puts out a live release of this magnitude.

Oh, and here's the promo video (https://youtu.be/15H-TBrCyKw) for Shudder Before the Beautiful from Wembley.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 26, 2016, 11:03:42 AM
Yea, the video they released for the show (I think Shudder?) was pretty cool. Seems like the mix will be much better than showtime. So I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2016, 11:13:45 AM
Definitely going to purchase this and when I read about it awhile ago (I actually thought I posted it here, but apparantly not) I didn't realize there was a bonus disc.  Which is awesome, but kind of sucks they didn't include the rest of that acoustic set on the cruise, but definitely glad we are getting Edema Ruh from it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on October 26, 2016, 11:14:56 AM
I'll probably get this though I wasn't blown away by the promo video.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 26, 2016, 02:25:08 PM
Yea, the video they released for the show (I think Shudder?) was pretty cool. Seems like the mix will be much better than showtime. So I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah, just watched this clip. Definitely liked the mix better than Showtime, Storytime. I think they certainly improved on the one thing I didn't like so well about that one: the backing track of the orchestra parts is definitely more audible than it was before. I wasn't totally blown away by the performance, but I think it was solid. My assessment on the clip, if I were to compare it to the most comparable song from Showtime—Dark Chest of Wonders—is that it's got a somewhat better mix and somewhat weaker performance. But I wouldn't want to judge the performance from that one track, and even if the overall performance isn't as good, I'm still eager to hear songs like Alpenglow, Endless Forms Most Beautiful and The Greatest Show On Earth in a quality live recording, and absolutely dying to hear Floor take on The Poet and the Pendulum (one of my favorite Nightwish songs).


Definitely going to purchase this and when I read about it awhile ago (I actually thought I posted it here, but apparantly not) I didn't realize there was a bonus disc.  Which is awesome, but kind of sucks they didn't include the rest of that acoustic set on the cruise, but definitely glad we are getting Edema Ruh from it.

Do we know what all they did in that acoustic set? I'm excited to hear Edema Ruh in that interpretation because I don't know exactly how that would sound. There's probably no chance they did Lappi, right?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2016, 02:31:26 PM
Definitely going to purchase this and when I read about it awhile ago (I actually thought I posted it here, but apparantly not) I didn't realize there was a bonus disc.  Which is awesome, but kind of sucks they didn't include the rest of that acoustic set on the cruise, but definitely glad we are getting Edema Ruh from it.

Do we know what all they did in that acoustic set? I'm excited to hear Edema Ruh in that interpretation because I don't know exactly how that would sound. There's probably no chance they did Lappi, right?

Someone posted links from youtube of that performance in this thread back then, but here is the setlist (Edema Ruh being the only Nightwish song performed)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-33c9c42d.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2015/ms-baltic-princess-turku-finland-33c9c42d.html)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 26, 2016, 02:40:12 PM
Ah, okay. So that explains why Edema Ruh is the only one included on the Blu-Ray. Though some of those covers would be interesting to see.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 27, 2016, 01:00:34 AM
I think there's a Deluxe-Deluxe edition of this which contains both bluerays and cd's from both shows, although I'm not sure it has cd's of both concerts.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 27, 2016, 05:21:07 AM
Definitely buying this so I can look out for myself in the crowd shots at Wembley!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2016, 04:40:44 PM
Another promo video for Alpenglow

https://youtu.be/oNC_uZ2GeU4 (https://youtu.be/oNC_uZ2GeU4)

One of my favorite songs from EFMB, but got to say I wasn't totally impressed with this performance by Floor on this one live.  Still pretty awesome video and can't wait to get it.  Sucks us Americans have to wait a couple weeks longer than our European friends.

Also, am I the only one who doesn't like Toumas' tone on the keyboard solo on the Shudder Before the Beautiful video?  I recall not liking it live when I saw them either, it feels obnoxious when the original sound used is awesome.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 12, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
The Mexico city show whole vid is a big plus!  I really enjoyed that!  If you didn't catch it, it's on the official website.   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on November 24, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
I remember the discussion that the sound of their previous live recording, Showtime Storytime, was bad. Now I read this official fb comment when going trough their fb page:
Quote
There was a problem with the sound of Wacken Blu-Ray indeed. The record label had altered the sound for the Showtime Blu-Ray Master, so we feel your pain even more than you guys do. The DVD sound was as it should be but the Blu-Ray...somebody was altering it. We have now underlined ten times that "do not touch the final sound at all" when preparing the Blu-Ray master. Fingers crossed !

Hmmm, how odd. Well, at least they acknowledged that there were sound issues, which means the band pays attention to it. I have the dvd and it sounds fine to me, but not something that I'd describe as good. Kind of wonder how the br sounds then. Must be frustrating to hear back your work and that some unknown person hired by the label altered the sound for the worse.

Anyways, it is fantastic that Floor fronted Nightwish gets so much proshot concerts/footage. They really are proud of their live efforts and they should be  ;D Really looking forward to the new one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 24, 2016, 03:06:44 PM
I haven't checked out the DVD, only the blu-ray.

However, the CD's also sound pretty bad to me. Not like....ungodly awful, but much worse than it should.

However, the two videos released thus far for the new one sound great, so I'm not concerned.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 24, 2016, 03:31:09 PM
I've nearly always found that audio CD's that come with live DVD/BR seem to be absolute shit sounding.
No excuse for Nightwish to put out anything less than stella sounding, they've been working with the best in the business for many years now.
https://www.mikajussila.fi/en
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on November 24, 2016, 04:05:38 PM
I've nearly always found that audio CD's that come with live DVD/BR seem to be absolute shit sounding.
No excuse for Nightwish to put out anything less than stella sounding, they've been working with the best in the business for many years now.
https://www.mikajussila.fi/en

I always wondered if it was "all in my head" - the footage somehow makes the shit sound (as heard on the CD) magically better in my mind , but take away the vision and all is revealed :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 25, 2016, 08:22:16 AM
I have the Showtime, Storytime blu-ray and I always thought the sound wasn't the greatest or even the video overall.  I really enjoyed it overall for what it was, but thought the production on the whole concert was not the best.  I pre-ordered the new blu-ray.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 29, 2016, 08:19:38 PM
They just released Stargazers.

Floor is badass as usual, but Tuomas keyboard lead tone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2016, 06:42:01 AM
They just released Stargazers.

Floor is badass as usual, but Tuomas keyboard lead tone.

Yea Im not a fan of his tone on these videos.  I dont understand.  Also, Floor nails Stargazers. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 30, 2016, 07:14:22 AM
Yeah, that crowd in Tampere doesn't seem to be miked very well. Seems tame.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on November 30, 2016, 04:17:01 PM
People have told me that is just the Finnish way of going to concerts, so I am not surprised. On a sidenote, I think that is also the show where a Dutch tv host and Floor's parents where present. The tv show barely featured any footage of the concert though, aside from showing that a Dutch singer is big in Finland.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2017, 11:29:11 AM
Watched the full Wembley show today - what an amazing performance.  I saw them for the first time in Chicago on the EFMB tour, so this is a very cool release to have as a nice retrospective of that tour.  Two great shows and plenty of bonus footage.

One thing I noticed in The Greatest Show on Earth is that there is a small segment that goes through the evolution of music - I was watching the live performance and heard the Enter Sandman riff and had to rewind it and then do some googling to see if anyone else had caught that.  It's in the studio version as well, so it was definitely designed to be part of the song, and not just some live embellishment.  Very cool! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2017, 11:30:01 AM
Watched the full Wembley show today - what an amazing performance.  I saw them for the first time in Chicago on the EFMB tour, so this is a very cool release to have as a nice retrospective of that tour.  Two great shows and plenty of bonus footage.  Also, Marco is a fucking beast.  I love that guy.

One thing I noticed in The Greatest Show on Earth is that there is a small segment that goes through the evolution of music - I was watching the live performance and heard the Enter Sandman riff and had to rewind it and then do some googling to see if anyone else had caught that.  It's in the studio version as well, so it was definitely designed to be part of the song, and not just some live embellishment.  Very cool!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2017, 11:56:18 AM
I got my blu-ray last weekend and watched both concerts.  The Wembley show is really good.  I think the picture quality is a bit poor for a blu-ray, but that's really where my negative criticism ends.  Definitely a better concert than Wacken.  I think Floor performs VERY well and I really like what Troy brings to the band.  I don't think I notice his work when listneing to the album as much as I do when I see him on stage with the pipes and the guitar.  While Your Lips Are Red was an AWESOME performance.  I was never really into that track before, I remember when I saw it live last year that I really thought it was a nice performance and a renewed interest in the song, but I never really went back and listened until the Wembley show. 

Also, Tampere is clearly not the better show of the two.  I find the atmosphere to be odd being that it's light out during the outdoor show and it's such a huge venue that there's lots of empty seats.  However, the full song performance of The Greatest Show on Earth plus the different tracks from the Wembley show are really awesome.

Haven't checked out the bonus songs yet or listened to the CD.
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Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2017, 12:09:16 PM
What's most notable, perhaps (and as we saw hinted at times on Showtime, Storytime, like Ghost River), is that she is basically directly challenging Marco over the aggressive parts. Marco was able to push around Anette vocally, but he can't do that with Floor, because she pushes back hard. She's just as powerful as he is, which I think is pretty cool.

Going back to the EMFB album release - this is a FANTASTIC observation.  I noticed during the chorus of Yours is an Empty Hope in the Wembley show that Floor was actually growling the phrase and Marco was the one singing it. 

I remember Tuomas stating that Marco didn't have as many lead vocal spots on EMFB, but he was all over every song in the backing vocal department, which is fine with me.  If you have Floor Jansen as your singer, you want to feature her as much as possible on her first album with the band.

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Post by: ErHaO on January 12, 2017, 12:18:05 PM
It is a great package (also physically). I have watched both concerts last week. The sound is clear on my (relatively cheap) set and the band performs greatly. Especially Marco sounds a lot better than during Wacken, where his vocals were often a bit forced/shouted. The video quality in Wembley is indeed quite bad for a BR, not sure why that is. While I also prefer Wembley, I had a great time watching Tampere despite the less atmospheric location. In my opinion, it was filmed better overall and I prefer some of the performances. Would've been better if it was darker outside. Crowd was fine though, I was expecting it to be way worse based on some things I have read.

Bonus is nice but I wish they just gave a bonus disc with a couple of small miniconcerts (a few songs from Rio, Vancouver etc.) rather than a collection of separate songs only accessible from a menu.
What's most notable, perhaps (and as we saw hinted at times on Showtime, Storytime, like Ghost River), is that she is basically directly challenging Marco over the aggressive parts. Marco was able to push around Anette vocally, but he can't do that with Floor, because she pushes back hard. She's just as powerful as he is, which I think is pretty cool.

Going back to the EMFB album release - this is a FANTASTIC observation.  I noticed during the chorus of Yours is an Empty Hope in the Wembley show that Floor was actually growling the phrase and Marco was the one singing it. 

I remember Tuomas stating that Marco didn't have as many lead vocal spots on EMFB, but he was all over every song in the backing vocal department, which is fine with me.  If you have Floor Jansen as your singer, you want to feature her as much as possible on her first album with the band.

I still would've preffered a bit more Marco due to his unique voice (thankfully Avantasia gave me a Nightwish-esque fix with Marco). But when Floor is singing I obviously can't complain  ;D But yes, Floor is very versatile, so Marco isn't necessary to spice things up anymore. Whereas in case of Tarja and Annete the vocals could become a bit sameish at times in my opinion, especially on their live releases/footage.
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Post by: Adami on January 12, 2017, 12:19:24 PM
Totally forgot this was released. Just ordered it, should be here Saturday. Looking forward to it!
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Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
I want to also add that maybe one of my favorite tracks from the live release is My Walden.  Just a really cool performance with the whole band, Marco switching between the bass and acoustic necks of his double guitar, Troy switching pipes midway through the instrumental ending, Floor dominating.... just awesome. 

And yea, while the video quality isn't the best (it's not bad, just not blu-ray standard IMO) the audio is very good and clear.  I have a cheap 5.1 system, and it totally rocks my basement.  :metal :metal

And what a package indeed.  for 18 dollars got two full concerts on video with surround sound, a full concert on CD, and lots of bonus songs.  Great buy.
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Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2017, 12:46:02 PM
I want to also add that maybe one of my favorite tracks from the live release is My Walden.  Just a really cool performance with the whole band, Marco switching between the bass and acoustic necks of his double guitar, Troy switching pipes midway through the instrumental ending, Floor dominating.... just awesome. 

I love when that song changes gears.  When I saw them and they hit that spot of the song, I just lost my shit and started jamming.   :metal
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Post by: Adami on January 15, 2017, 02:43:03 PM
Watching the Wembley show now.

Yea, the video is a bit off, but I'm cool. The Audio is great.


Also, I think from now on they should just let Troy do the talking between songs. Between this and Showtime Storytime, Floor and Marco are just super awkward when they talk between songs. Amazing frontpeople in every other way, but I cringe when they start talking, especially Floor. Then Troy just comes out with how he's seeing so many great things but none of it compares to this and it was just so authentic and wonderful.


Also, dude....Troy's singing, playing pipes, weird stringed stuff, acoustic guitar AND electric guitar? So happy they found him.

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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 15, 2017, 07:52:44 PM
I'll echo what most are saying.  First thing I notice is the poor blu Ray quality on the Wembley show.  Not sure how that happened.  Also, to me...Floor sounds a little tired to me during this performance.  Come to find out this is the last show of that tour leg.  She sounds a LOT more energetic at the Tempere show, and even the Mexico City show.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think she sounds bad, just think she's sounded better on other recordings.  In a perfect world, I would take the Mexico city Poet and the Pendulum vocals and pair it with the visual and music from the Wembley version.  The Tempere version of Ghost Love Score IMHO gives the Argentina version a run for it's money, as far as Floor's performance.
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Post by: Grappler on January 16, 2017, 06:51:14 AM
Also, I think from now on they should just let Troy do the talking between songs. Between this and Showtime Storytime, Floor and Marco are just super awkward when they talk between songs. Amazing frontpeople in every other way, but I cringe when they start talking, especially Floor. Then Troy just comes out with how he's seeing so many great things but none of it compares to this and it was just so authentic and wonderful.


Also, dude....Troy's singing, playing pipes, weird stringed stuff, acoustic guitar AND electric guitar? So happy they found him.

Just read an interview with Troy where stated that he joined the band because Nightwish wasn't going to use him for his pipe playing alone, and going forward, he'll have more opportunity to sing, play guitar and other instruments.  I like that idea, letting him beef up the sound with a second guitar on some songs.

Also, he was hilarious when he introduced My Walden in Chicago in 2015.  He told this story about the last time he was in Chicago and how he plays the Uillean pipes, but when he was hanging out at the bar, he overheard two guys talking about how great Nightwish was, saying "and there's the guitarist, the vocalist, and then a guy that plays the ovarian pipes."   :lol


I'll echo what most are saying.  First thing I notice is the poor blu Ray quality on the Wembley show.  Not sure how that happened.  Also, to me...Floor sounds a little tired to me during this performance.  Come to find out this is the last show of that tour leg.  She sounds a LOT more energetic at the Tempere show, and even the Mexico City show.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think she sounds bad, just think she's sounded better on other recordings.  In a perfect world, I would take the Mexico city Poet and the Pendulum vocals and pair it with the visual and music from the Wembley version.  The Tempere version of Ghost Love Score IMHO gives the Argentina version a run for it's money, as far as Floor's performance.

I like that Floor DIDN'T nail Ghost Love Score in the Wembley Show like she has in other recordings.  She makes singing look so easy, and it's a cool reminder that we're all human and it's live music - sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not.  She still sounded amazing throughout the show.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2017, 07:19:56 AM
Watching the Wembley show now.

Yea, the video is a bit off, but I'm cool. The Audio is great.


Also, I think from now on they should just let Troy do the talking between songs. Between this and Showtime Storytime, Floor and Marco are just super awkward when they talk between songs. Amazing frontpeople in every other way, but I cringe when they start talking, especially Floor. Then Troy just comes out with how he's seeing so many great things but none of it compares to this and it was just so authentic and wonderful.


Also, dude....Troy's singing, playing pipes, weird stringed stuff, acoustic guitar AND electric guitar? So happy they found him.

I agree with all of this.  I love what Troy says before My Walden, something about "let's take a trip to the woods with " and names a bunch of authors. 

I like that Floor DIDN'T nail Ghost Love Score in the Wembley Show like she has in other recordings.  She makes singing look so easy, and it's a cool reminder that we're all human and it's live music - sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not.  She still sounded amazing throughout the show.

When I saw them in Connecticut, Floor did not nail this part, but she managed to belt it out anyway and it was actually really really cool.  If curious, I caught it on video: https://youtu.be/dAc4nQ3-9Sk?t=8m46s (https://youtu.be/dAc4nQ3-9Sk?t=8m46s)
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Post by: ErHaO on January 17, 2017, 01:11:39 PM
I agree Floor sounds a bit less energetic on the Wembley show than on some of the other recordings. Subtle and not really a problem since she sounds great anyways, but I did notice it.

Also, after listening to End of An Era and Made in Hong Kong yesterday, I greatly prefer any pro recording with Floor. A big difference in terms of music is that these older live releases rely heavily on symphonic (choir) keys and (vocal) backing tracks during the choruses to give that epic sound, whereas in the latest live releases, the vocal melodies are really carried by just Floor for the most part (and by Marco, offcourse), with mostly only subtle backing tracks to the live vocals.

I am a big fan of Annette's studio performances but she just doesn't bring that sense of melody and emotion to a live setting. Not so big on that release. And on End of and Era, Tarja sounds a bit worn out (and slowish at times) and has a particularly wide vibrato (compare it to the older live release, for example). Tarja does have a very characterisic voice that fits these songs though, so I do really enjoy End of an Era. On the older live release From Wishes to Eternity, Tarja performed much better.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on January 18, 2017, 04:56:26 AM
Tarja was a bit of Diva.... ;D If you notice, even the mic changes color with her dresses.....  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2017, 07:40:06 AM
On the older live release From Wishes to Eternity, Tarja performed much better.

I love this DVD.

What's crazy about the new DVD, is the Wembley and Tampere shows are HUGE.  Big crowds.  When I saw them in Connecticut, the venue was smaller than the one they performed in From Wishes to Eternity.  It just makes me think how crazy it is that a band on the same tour could play such varying sized venues.  However, I also saw them in NYC where they played a good sized spot (same place DT had played  around the same time).
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 26, 2017, 07:18:06 AM
I would like to ask Floor if she will marry me  :corn

Outside of that perhaps what Floor will be doing during the "year off".............side projects, ReVamp etc...?

Turns out she decided to pop out a Baby.... :lol

Hadn't heard that until yesterday.  She must be due pretty soon.
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Post by: Grappler on February 26, 2017, 06:45:30 PM
I would like to ask Floor if she will marry me  :corn

Outside of that perhaps what Floor will be doing during the "year off".............side projects, ReVamp etc...?

Turns out she decided to pop out a Baby.... :lol

Hadn't heard that until yesterday.  She must be due pretty soon.


Any day now. 

Revamp has been officially disbanded, since Nightwish is her priority and she can't give two bands her full attention.  She has stated recently that she recorded an album with Jorn Viggo Lofstad (guitarist of Pagan's Mind) several years ago and that they both have time available this year to try and get it released.  Aside from that, Floor's going to be busy enough for the next year, as any new parent can attest.   :)
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Post by: Adami on February 26, 2017, 06:47:32 PM
I would love an album by Floor and the Pagan's Mind dude.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2017, 01:23:48 PM
Yea, I love the guitarist of Pagan's Mind. 
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 03, 2017, 08:49:47 AM
I actually prefer the Tampere show over Wembley. Floor sounds so much better and the energy in her voice is strong there. Plus, the band is enjoying it immensely.

That should've been the CD. One song in point is Alpenglow...Floor really nails it in Tampere during the pre-chorus.
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Post by: ErHaO on April 04, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
I actually prefer the Tampere show over Wembley. Floor sounds so much better and the energy in her voice is strong there. Plus, the band is enjoying it immensely.

That should've been the CD. One song in point is Alpenglow...Floor really nails it in Tampere during the pre-chorus.

Yes, I agree. I have an audio rip of both shows on my phone and prefer Tampere.

But the official CD is a compilation, no?
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Post by: Grappler on April 04, 2017, 07:18:47 AM
I actually prefer the Tampere show over Wembley. Floor sounds so much better and the energy in her voice is strong there. Plus, the band is enjoying it immensely.

That should've been the CD. One song in point is Alpenglow...Floor really nails it in Tampere during the pre-chorus.

Yes, I agree. I have an audio rip of both shows on my phone and prefer Tampere.

But the official CD is a compilation, no?

The official CD release is the full Wembley show.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 07:42:58 AM
Wow, this sounds epic:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-to-launch-nine-month-decades-world-tour-next-march-in-north-america/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-to-launch-nine-month-decades-world-tour-next-march-in-north-america/)

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In March 2018, symphonic metal legends NIGHTWISH will begin their nine-month-long "Decades: World Tour 2018" starting with 34 shows in North America.

The band will have a very special setlist for the tour, featuring rarely heard material from the earlier era, and excitingly for both band and fans, they will revisit the old songs with some new twists.

This setlist will be a "one-off" and only performed on this "Decades: World Tour 2018".

To accompany the tour, Nuclear Blast will release a 2CD compilation, "Decades", on March 9.

I will be at the NYC show  :metal :metal
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 09, 2017, 08:12:55 AM
Yeah, got that update from Enterthevault this morning.  Sad to see that they aren't stopping by Toronto, but the Niagara Falls show is only 90 minutes from me, and on a Friday night, that would be ok.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 08:14:34 AM
I wonder how "early" the era will be... until Wishmaster? Until Century Child? hearing Elvenpath, Astral Romance, Angels Fall First, Stargazer, She is My Sin and maybe some deep cuts from Wishmaster like Crownless would be quite good!  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 08:26:00 AM
Yea, considering NW didn't tour the US during those early years, it'll be a treat to get to see some of those old gems.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 09, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
I'll be at either the Denver show or Tempe. The time to play Gethsemane again is now.
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Post by: Grappler on June 09, 2017, 08:36:59 AM
I would love to see this, but I don't think it's in the cards for me next year.  Budget constraints suck.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 09, 2017, 08:37:09 AM
Holy crap an Omaha date! First time they'll play here. Can't Wait!
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Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 08:47:20 AM
No dates near me.  I'll pick up the live release (depending on the set) and leave it at that.
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Post by: Adami on June 09, 2017, 09:04:38 AM
Totally going to that Anaheim show. That sounds super awesome!
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 09:26:01 AM
They have to bring this to Europe, I wonder if I'll be able to see them.

They visited Italy thrice on the last cycle:
- First time, it's on my very birthday, but in another town on a monday night and I couldn't take hours / day off from work;
- Second time, halfway across the country at a festival on again a working day;
- Third time, the day I was heading back home from the holidays and the town was not on the way back.

Alright Nightwish, if you hate me, just say so  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 09:42:49 AM
It is a 9 month world tour, sounds like it's just starting in NA
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 09, 2017, 03:07:59 PM
What in the blue fuck Spokane and not Seattle, where they played on the last 2 US tours, including the first show with Floor. And I am sure it is a good venue (though I won't vouch for anything in Spokane) but is there anything less metal sounding than playing at the Knitting Factory?

Would consider going to PDX if wife approves.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on June 09, 2017, 04:17:02 PM
What in the blue fuck Spokane and not Seattle, where they played on the last 2 US tours, including the first show with Floor. And I am sure it is a good venue (though I won't vouch for anything in Spokane) but is there anything less metal sounding than playing at the Knitting Factory?

Would consider going to PDX if wife approves.

Loads of bands play in the Knitting Factory in Spokane.  Myles Kennedy of Alter Bridge is from Spokane and it's a great atmosphere, obviously, when Alter Bridge plays in that venue in Spokane.

Now for my question, I don't know much about Nightwish or where to begin listening to them and what era to listen to and is them with Floor, now, good and whatnot.  However, they are playing at The City National Grove of Anaheim and it's a pretty common venue for bands to play in Anaheim and it's about 4 miles away from my house.  The show is in April 2018 which is a long time.  Should I get tickets to this show now or wait a bit?
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Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 04:48:08 PM
Now for my question, I don't know much about Nightwish or where to begin listening to them and what era to listen to and is them with Floor, now, good and whatnot. 

For me, the latter years with Tarja fall right in the sweet spot where I LOVE them.  The two definitive albums from that period are Century Child and Once, with the live album End of an Era being outstanding as well.  Their next album (Dark Passion Play) had a different singer, Anette Olzon, and wasn't nearly as good.  The album after that, Imaginaerum, also has Olzon, but is a much stronger album, both in terms of the writing in general and in terms of writing songs that are more suited for her voice.  That brings us up to the present era.

Floor stepped in during the Imaginaerum tour, and she did a fine job.  They a live release called Showtime, Storytime with Floor from the Wacken show.  There are few bands where I would recommend a live release as a starting point, but this might be a good one.  It sounds REALLY good.  And it is a good mix of newer and older material. 

I did not like the next (and, so far, only) studio album with Floor, Endless Forms Most Beautiful.  To me, the writing took a step down.  But the bigger issue is the lyrical content, which is awful.  Floor turns in a decent performance, but more than a few people feel that she didn't sound like she was used to her potential on this album.  I think they either did or are doing a live release from that tour as well, but I don't have it and cannot comment.

However, they are playing at The City National Grove of Anaheim and it's a pretty common venue for bands to play in Anaheim and it's about 4 miles away from my house.  The show is in April 2018 which is a long time.  Should I get tickets to this show now or wait a bit?

Wow, that is a long way off.  I would probably check out an album or two and see what you think.  Hard to argue with going to see a band playing so close to home though. 
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Post by: CB on June 09, 2017, 05:10:48 PM
I have to see them with Floor when they come to Europe. I only saw them once, with Anette. I liked her expressive voice but it was foreseeable that she wouldn't stay, she was so different. The only time I've seen Floor "live" was when I almost bumped into her during the intermission of Ayreon's Theater Equation show, I remember I felt like a dwarf.
The NA touring schedule looks demanding but she's such a powerhouse!
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Post by: Shredzorz on June 09, 2017, 07:03:02 PM
Now for my question, I don't know much about Nightwish or where to begin listening to them and what era to listen to and is them with Floor, now, good and whatnot. 

For me, the latter years with Tarja fall right in the sweet spot where I LOVE them.  The two definitive albums from that period are Century Child and Once, with the live album End of an Era being outstanding as well.  Their next album (Dark Passion Play) had a different singer, Anette Olzon, and wasn't nearly as good.  The album after that, Imaginaerum, also has Olzon, but is a much stronger album, both in terms of the writing in general and in terms of writing songs that are more suited for her voice.  That brings us up to the present era.

Floor stepped in during the Imaginaerum tour, and she did a fine job.  They a live release called Showtime, Storytime with Floor from the Wacken show.  There are few bands where I would recommend a live release as a starting point, but this might be a good one.  It sounds REALLY good.  And it is a good mix of newer and older material. 

I did not like the next (and, so far, only) studio album with Floor, Endless Forms Most Beautiful.  To me, the writing took a step down.  But the bigger issue is the lyrical content, which is awful.  Floor turns in a decent performance, but more than a few people feel that she didn't sound like she was used to her potential on this album.  I think they either did or are doing a live release from that tour as well, but I don't have it and cannot comment.

However, they are playing at The City National Grove of Anaheim and it's a pretty common venue for bands to play in Anaheim and it's about 4 miles away from my house.  The show is in April 2018 which is a long time.  Should I get tickets to this show now or wait a bit?

Wow, that is a long way off.  I would probably check out an album or two and see what you think.  Hard to argue with going to see a band playing so close to home though.
What's wrong with the lyrics? I found the celebration of life and nature quite powerful and uplifting. And it's nice to hear Tuomas writing about something other than how much he loves/hates Tarja. Even if he does sometimes come across as a little kid who just discovered evolution, it's still charming.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 09, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
While I know I should just be grateful they're coming to my town, I'm really bummed at the venue they're at.  Same venue as last tour and it's GA...I hate fucking GA  >:(  Too old for that shite...I'm old, I pee alot and will lose any good spot I get... :lol
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 09, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
Loads of bands play in the Knitting Factory in Spokane. 

Fair enough, but why in the hell play in Spokane in the first place?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2017, 07:33:40 AM
Loads of bands play in the Knitting Factory in Spokane. 

Fair enough, but why in the hell play in Spokane in the first place?

I'd guess the venue was booked, but given how far out this is, maybe they just wanted to play a different area.  The last US tour they didn't play NYC, but they played in NJ.  Similar market, but not the same.  This time they are doing NYC and no NJ show.

Now for my question, I don't know much about Nightwish or where to begin listening to them and what era to listen to and is them with Floor, now, good and whatnot. 
I think they either did or are doing a live release from that tour as well, but I don't have it and cannot comment.

Vehicle of Spirit is the latest live release and maybe their best in the entire catalogue.   Maybe not as good as End of an Era, but the package comes with two full concerts and Floor is much more in control as she was now very experienced in Nightwish.  Also, Endless Forms Most Beautiful is my favorite album of thiers so the focus on that material also is a reason why it's so good to me.   
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 10, 2017, 12:35:21 PM
Fair enough, but why in the hell play in Spokane in the first place?

I'd guess the venue was booked, but given how far out this is, maybe they just wanted to play a different area.  The last US tour they didn't play NYC, but they played in NJ.  Similar market, but not the same.  This time they are doing NYC and no NJ show.

Seattle and Spokane aren't remotely similar markets.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 10, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
I'm wondering if the 2CD compilation album that is being released behind the tour, will have old songs re-recorded with the current line up?
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Post by: Adami on June 10, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
I'm wondering if the 2CD compilation album that is being released behind the tour, will have old songs re-recorded with the current line up?

Doubtful, it'll probably just be a compilation. That way no studio fees or anything, just profit.

Honestly, unless it's from Angel's Fall First, I think the albums sound perfect each with their respective line up. It's not like they had an awful singer to replace.
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Post by: ronnibran on June 10, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
I have some time to think about this, but I am really tempted.  The latest album didn't do much for me, but I think it would be cool to see them live.  From around Grand Rapids Michigan, Kalamazoo isn't a very far drive and the state theater sounds pretty good!  I'm sure I'll cave at some point and get a ticket. 
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Post by: gazinwales on June 10, 2017, 11:45:47 PM
My thinking was along the lines of more political and current line up.
Surely touring behind a 'greatest hits' 2CD set with potentially 3 different vocalists on the compilation might confuse things?
Plus with what went down with Tarja, would they want her to feature on a 'new' album?
How much would the current singer feature, given that she has only sung on 1 studio album?
Finally how much of the back catalogue will be featured?
Do NB now have the rights to all the NW back catalgoue, with the early albums originally issued on a different (Spinefarm) label?
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Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 12:06:02 AM
I don't think Nightwish is THAT political. The fans all pretty much know the history and are familiar with Tarja. I doubt there's too many people that have no idea Nightwish existed before Floor or Anette.

It's also not a "new" album. It's a best of essentially. Bands release those all the time. Sure, they may pull an Iced Earth and re-record it, but it would seem pretty silly since no one's complaining about the old recordings (minus Angels). Usually if a band re-records old songs it's due to bad production or a bad singer, not simply a change.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 11, 2017, 03:16:32 AM
Trust me when I say Nightwish are political when it comes to dealing with anything to do with Tarja.
If you have ever read the NW book you'll know and there was a lot more juicier stuff left out due to the threat of legalities.

BTW what do you hold against AFF?
I think it's a great debut and the start of great things to come.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 11, 2017, 03:35:47 AM
I don't see your point. Floor has been singing songs from the entire back-catalogue during the last two tours and has been killing it, for the most parts.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Big Hath on June 11, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
Yeah, got that update from Enterthevault this morning.  Sad to see that they aren't stopping by Toronto, but the Niagara Falls show is only 90 minutes from me, and on a Friday night, that would be ok.

Mar. 21 - Toronto, ON - Massey Hall
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on June 12, 2017, 05:16:43 AM
Yeah, got that update from Enterthevault this morning.  Sad to see that they aren't stopping by Toronto, but the Niagara Falls show is only 90 minutes from me, and on a Friday night, that would be ok.

Mar. 21 - Toronto, ON - Massey Hall

Thanks for pointing that out.  The Enterthevault email doesn't have that date/venue listed.  I thought it odd there was 3 days between Mtl and Niagara Falls.  This is a big step up for Nightwish.  Typically they play GA venues, and the one in They usually play is about an 800-900 people one.  Massey Hall is 2000+ and seated.

Giggity.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 26, 2017, 03:38:44 AM
So now we know what Toumas has been doing while Nightwish are taking a break.

A VOICE BEHIND THE MIRROR

Echoes of another world resound from the depths of the legendary rabbit hole. Music diffused with moments of silence and escapist dream sequences, freed from time and earthly presence.

AURI begun its life with three people, united through their shared need to hear a kind of a music which can’t be described by words alone. A magical kind of sound to be heard whilst falling down Alice's rabbit hole.

The first song born of this mindset, 'Aphrodite Rising', appeared in 2011. And slowly the earth has cracked open again and ten more tracks have emerged out of the soil's dust.

Thus the trio was formed. The Finnish singer Johanna Kurkela lent her unique voice, while Troy Donockley and Tuomas Holopainen [both NIGHTWISH] cast their spells with various other instruments. Using selected guest musicians and friends, the album finally takes its ultimate form under the direction of sound engineer Tim Oliver, all within the pastoral splendor of 'Real World' studios in Southern England.

AURI put the 'drink me potion' to its lips, grew to full size, and is now ready to slay the Jabberwocky. Hand in hand with Nuclear Blast, they lead their listeners into the shadows behind the mirror, and in spring 2018 their debut album will evoke ghosts of an ethereal sphere.

AURI consists of:
Johanna Kurkela: Voices & viola
Tuomas Holopainen: Keys & backing voices
Troy Donockley: Acoustic and electric guitars, bouzouki, uilleann pipes, low whistles, aerophone, bodhran, keys, voices
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2017, 03:46:03 AM
Kinda cheesy for a press release, but I'm all for this kind of folky weird music!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on June 26, 2017, 04:09:29 AM
Aren't all press releases pure fantasy and cheese?

Might be a return to Tuomas original vision of Nightwish, a folk band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2017, 04:32:28 AM
Well, more than cheesy, press releases praise everything like it's the second coming of Christ. The mastermind of this and that conjured up this striking collection of awesome songs blablabla. Here they talk about rabbit holes and potions  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
I'm down to take a trip down that rabbit hole.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on August 29, 2017, 08:35:19 AM
For those of you that miss Annette...

The Dark Element - title track:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tHdSv9TmdI

Quote
THE DARK ELEMENT, the new musical project featuring former NIGHTWISH vocalist Anette Olzon and Finnish guitarist and songwriter Jani Liimatainen, will release its self-titled debut album on November 10 via Frontiers Music Srl.

Since word of this project got out, fans have been frothing at the mouth with anticipation for its arrival. And no wonder considering the talent involved! Anette is widely known for being the immaculate voice on the hit albums from NIGHTWISH, "Dark Passion Play" and "Imaginareum". Jani has recently been busy in CAIN'S OFFERING alongside STRATOVARIUS singer Timo Kotipelto, but left a deep mark on the minds of all power metal fans thanks to his time in SONATA ARCTICA.

Said Liimatainen: "I have always been a big fan of Anette's voice and when the opportunity to work with her arose, writing and producing an album, it was something I just couldn't say no! It has been a blast working on the songs and I can't wait for everyone to hear the final result. This will be epic! The songs are extremely melodic and to the point. My goal has been to write catchy songs with hooks that will haunt your dreams, and I think it's pretty much 'mission accomplished.' Stay tuned for something special!"

Added Olzon: "I am so looking forward to this album and I believe our collaboration worked like a perfect match and I am really happy that Jani and Frontiers asked me to do this with them!"




"The Dark Element" track listing:

01. The Dark Element
02. My Sweet Mystery
03. Last Good Day
04. Here's To You
05. Someone You Used To Know
06. Dead To Me
07. Halo
08. I Cannot Raise The Dead
09. The Ghost And The Reaper
10. Heaven Of Your Heart
11. Only One Who Knows Me

Musicians:

Anette Olzon - Lead Vocals
Jani Liimatainen - Guitars, Keyboards, Programming
Jonas Kuhlberg - Bass
Jani "Hurtsi" Hurula - Drums

* Piano on "Someone You Used to Know" and "Heaven of Your Heart" by Jarkko Lahti
* Backing vocals by Anette Olzon, Petri Aho, Anssi Stenberg and Jani Liimatainen
* Growls on "Dead To Me" by Niilo Sevänen

Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-nightwish-singer-joins-forces-with-ex-sonata-arctica-guitarist-in-the-dark-element.html#xRCgYjBZoptK5sbZ.99


It's nice to see her doing something again, even if it's Nightwish-lite.  It's actually a really catchy song - love the chorus!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2017, 08:39:49 AM
I kind of dig it, solid song and she sounds good.  Although I like Floor more, I am glad I got the chance to see Nightwish before Anette left. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2017, 08:41:51 AM
I unexpectedly didn't mind that. Her voice actually sounds good here, more suited to her style than Nightwish, it's melodic, and it's heavier than I was expecting from a Frontiers project. I dare say I might even be inclined to check out the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2017, 08:56:58 AM
I can't say I miss Anette at all.  But the song isn't bad.  Her problem was the same as Charlie's when he was in DT:  She is a good singer with a good voice.  But she has limitations, and Thuomas did not understand those limitations when he wrote most of DPP, and did not write those songs to her strengths.  Imaginaerum was a different story.  That album was much more written to her strengths and much better suited her voice, so she sounds fantastic on it, and barring getting sick, she sounded pretty good on those songs live as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on August 29, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
I disagree actually, I thought Anette sounded utterly fantastic on Dark Passion Play even if it was their first album with her. That, Imaginaerum, and Oceanborn are the best Nightwish albums imo. Floor fits the band but the one album they've put out with her was disappointing in so many ways and they only ever really took advantage of her voice on two or three songs. I hope the next one steers them back in the right direction (and without 'epic' length songs being half filled with narration!).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on August 29, 2017, 09:22:29 AM
I really enjoyed that!
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Post by: The Walrus on August 29, 2017, 09:35:04 AM
Finally got through the new single. Been excited for this project for a while. Gotta say the single has me not terribly excited but knowing Jani there's gonna be a lot more goodness to listen to...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on August 29, 2017, 10:29:47 AM
I've heard very little from Nightwish. I was thinking of buying their latest DVD/blu-ray concert release, instead of buying their album discography. Is it a good show worth buying??
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 29, 2017, 10:40:02 AM
I am pretty sure that DPP material was written before Olsen joined NW, with most if not all of the songs being demoed with Marco on vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on August 29, 2017, 10:53:48 AM
I've heard very little from Nightwish. I was thinking of buying their latest DVD/blu-ray concert release, instead of buying their album discography. Is it a good show worth buying??

It's really, really good. I love it. Good setlists. Probably my favorite pro-shot live Nightwish stuff. I highly suggest at least copping Oceanborn for an idea of their early work, though, it's one of the most seminal operatic power metal albums, highly influential. Thankfully Nightwish is very good live and Floor is basically perfect for doing anything they could want vocally.

If you haven't heard it, go look up the video of Ghost Love Score from 2012 in Buenos Aires. Floor's vocals near the end give me chills every time I hear it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2017, 11:00:26 AM
Agreed, the latest blu-ray is awesome.  Much better than the Wacken blu-ray plus you get two concerts so that's a little more bang for your buck if you don't have any of the their albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on August 29, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Cool thanks for the recommendation guys! I'll also cgecout Oceanborn at some point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on August 29, 2017, 11:59:12 AM
For those of you that miss Annette...

The Dark Element - title track:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tHdSv9TmdI

Quote
THE DARK ELEMENT, the new musical project featuring former NIGHTWISH vocalist Anette Olzon and Finnish guitarist and songwriter Jani Liimatainen, will release its self-titled debut album on November 10 via Frontiers Music Srl.

Since word of this project got out, fans have been frothing at the mouth with anticipation for its arrival. And no wonder considering the talent involved! Anette is widely known for being the immaculate voice on the hit albums from NIGHTWISH, "Dark Passion Play" and "Imaginareum". Jani has recently been busy in CAIN'S OFFERING alongside STRATOVARIUS singer Timo Kotipelto, but left a deep mark on the minds of all power metal fans thanks to his time in SONATA ARCTICA.

Said Liimatainen: "I have always been a big fan of Anette's voice and when the opportunity to work with her arose, writing and producing an album, it was something I just couldn't say no! It has been a blast working on the songs and I can't wait for everyone to hear the final result. This will be epic! The songs are extremely melodic and to the point. My goal has been to write catchy songs with hooks that will haunt your dreams, and I think it's pretty much 'mission accomplished.' Stay tuned for something special!"

Added Olzon: "I am so looking forward to this album and I believe our collaboration worked like a perfect match and I am really happy that Jani and Frontiers asked me to do this with them!"




"The Dark Element" track listing:

01. The Dark Element
02. My Sweet Mystery
03. Last Good Day
04. Here's To You
05. Someone You Used To Know
06. Dead To Me
07. Halo
08. I Cannot Raise The Dead
09. The Ghost And The Reaper
10. Heaven Of Your Heart
11. Only One Who Knows Me

Musicians:

Anette Olzon - Lead Vocals
Jani Liimatainen - Guitars, Keyboards, Programming
Jonas Kuhlberg - Bass
Jani "Hurtsi" Hurula - Drums

* Piano on "Someone You Used to Know" and "Heaven of Your Heart" by Jarkko Lahti
* Backing vocals by Anette Olzon, Petri Aho, Anssi Stenberg and Jani Liimatainen
* Growls on "Dead To Me" by Niilo Sevänen

Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-nightwish-singer-joins-forces-with-ex-sonata-arctica-guitarist-in-the-dark-element.html#xRCgYjBZoptK5sbZ.99


It's nice to see her doing something again, even if it's Nightwish-lite.  It's actually a really catchy song - love the chorus!

Awesome! My kind of music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 13, 2017, 12:20:04 PM
Ok, I just bought the deluxe version of Vehicle of Spirit with two concerts on blu-ray and the audio cd's of the Wembley show.
 I knew nothing about Nightwish prior to this. I just never took the time to look into their stuff. I am pleasantly surprised, these guys are amazing!  I am enamored by how good these two concerts are, the sound and the visuals and performance are as good or better as any concert dvd I own. And this is coming from a hardcore Rush, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden etc fan!
 I wasn't expecting Nightwish to be such a high energy positive band. I'm glad I caught them with the current line-up. Floor is like an angel that loves rock-n-roll and metal. Their new drummer is amazing too.
 I had to laugh a little, their music came across as spirtually uplifting to me at parts but the show ended on a heavy quote from Darwin.  I myself lean more towards creation, but the music and performance more than made up for it and I'm glad to discover this band.  It looks like I may need to go backwards through their catalogue. What are the must haves?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 13, 2017, 12:28:22 PM
Ok, I just bought the deluxe version of Vehicle of Spirit with two concerts on blu-ray and the audio cd's of the Wembley show.
 I knew nothing about Nightwish prior to this. I just never took the time to look into their stuff. I am pleasantly surprised, these guys are amazing!  I am enamored by how good these two concerts are, the sound and the visuals and performance are as good or better as any concert dvd I own. And this is coming from a hardcore Rush, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden etc fan!
 I wasn't expecting Nightwish to be such a high energy positive band. I'm glad I caught them with the current line-up. Floor is like an angel that loves rock-n-roll and metal. Their new drummer is amazing too.
 I had to laugh a little, their music came across as spirtually uplifting to me at parts but the show ended on a heavy quote from Darwin.  I myself lean more towards creation, but the music and performance more than made up for it and I'm glad to discover this band.  It looks like I may need to go backwards through their catalogue. What are the must haves?

Glad to hear you had such a positive experience with Vehicle of Spirit!

I'll bet you lunch most people will recommend you check out Once, but to me that album suffers in the second half. The first four songs rock so hard though, check those out. Oceanborn is another must have.

Beyond that, personally, Dark Passion Play is the album that made me finally 'get' Nightwish, even though it doesn't have the operatic vocals. But there is a LOT to love on that album. Pop singles to 14 minute power metal epics to gospel and everything in between... But if you like Floor, go get their latest album Endless Forms Most Beautiful instead. IMO it kind of rips off past Nightwish material but you'll find a LOT to like there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 12:30:42 PM
What are the must haves?

That's a tough question to answer, but I will attempt to explain why.  For me, the earliest albums don't quite do it.  It is very early in the "operatic metal" genre, and I don't think they pull it off well.  I think they REALLY come into their own and find their sound on the last two albums with Tarja.  From that era, I would recommend Century Child and Once, as well as the End of an Era live set (CD/DVD).  To me, they never equaled this pairing of albums.  The only thing is, Tarja is a phenomenal singer, but her vocals aren't for everyone, and it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't like her.

For the next era with Anette as singer, there are two albums.  Dark Passion Play has some good moments.  But I think it falls short for a few reasons.  One is that the music was written before they brought Anette in, and the songs aren't really written to her strengths at all.  Also, the opener, The Poet and the Pendulum, just gets the album off on the wrong foot for me.  It is a huge epic, but is so self-indulgent as to just be eyeroll inducing for me.  Couple that with a bunch of the tracks being Tuomas rants about Tarja, and the whole album just seems silly and pointless to me.  The next album, Imaginaerum, was written with Anette's voice in mind, and is fantastic. 

For the Floor era, although she is easily the best singer Nightwish has ever had, and I love her being in the band, they have only done one studio album with her, and I don't like it.  So while I feel that anything with her on it should get the nod, I can't recommend anything from the Floor era...yet.

So my recommendations boil down to:
-Century Child
-Once
-End of an Era (live)
-Imaginaerum
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 13, 2017, 12:33:14 PM
Ok, I just bought the deluxe version of Vehicle of Spirit with two concerts on blu-ray and the audio cd's of the Wembley show.
 I knew nothing about Nightwish prior to this. I just never took the time to look into their stuff. I am pleasantly surprised, these guys are amazing!  I am enamored by how good these two concerts are, the sound and the visuals and performance are as good or better as any concert dvd I own. And this is coming from a hardcore Rush, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden etc fan!
 I wasn't expecting Nightwish to be such a high energy positive band. I'm glad I caught them with the current line-up. Floor is like an angel that loves rock-n-roll and metal. Their new drummer is amazing too.
 I had to laugh a little, their music came across as spirtually uplifting to me at parts but the show ended on a heavy quote from Darwin.  I myself lean more towards creation, but the music and performance more than made up for it and I'm glad to discover this band.  It looks like I may need to go backwards through their catalogue. What are the must haves?

Angels Fall First - glorified demo.  No need to own unless you are a completest. 

Oceanborn and Wishmaster are their two power metal/neoclassical style records, with the later being the pinnacle of that sound.

Century Child and Once saw the band turning more into the big, epic, orchestral beast it is now.  Century Child is a little of both - some faster, power metal like songs, and some big bombastic stuff.  Once is the pinnacle of that style and is also  the last album with Tarja, their original singer.

Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum introduced Annette Olzon as their new vocalist.  Orchestration is HUGE on these albums, and they've carried on from where they left off on Once - big, bombastic songs.  Both of these albums have multiple songs featured on Vehicle of Spirit.

Endless Forms Most Beautiful features Floor Jansen as a the new/current singer and is the tour where they recorded Vehicle of Spirit. The album was influenced by the writings and evolutionary theories of Darwin and Richard Dawkins, which explains the quotes used and lyrics.  It pretty much carries on with the current sound and style established after Century Child, and a good portion of the record is performed on Vehicle of Spirit.


My recommendations would be Wishmaster and Once for the Tarja era, and DPP/Imaginaerum for the Annette era.  If you like Floor and VoS, then you'd like EFMB.    Edit - I agree with Bosk's recommendations too if you want to pare them down a bit.  The Tarja era can be condensed into the live album.

Century Child tends to lose steam with me after Ever Dream, but the first handful of songs are awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 13, 2017, 12:43:53 PM
I'll say what I always say - Once is great, but Century Child is the best them.  Imaginaerum is a good third choice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 12:52:33 PM
Century Child tends to lose steam with me after Ever Dream, but the first handful of songs are awesome.

It does tend to lose steam a bit before the big, epic closer, Beauty of the Beast.  But where you drew the line jumped out at me.  I'm kind of surprised you didn't go one more song farther, because Slaying the Dreamer is a BEAST.  You no likey?

And going back to the closer, it took awhile for it to really click with me because I didn't give it a chance.  For me, the first 5 songs were awesome.  Then it kinda lost steam over the next 3 tracks (not that they are bad--they just aren't as strong as the first 5, and two of them are slower songs).  I would stick it out for Phantom, which is AMAZING, and then tune out again.  Destiny of Chaos, who doesn't post much on this side anymore, raved about the song for the longest time, so I paid closer attention to it and realized what an amazing song it is.  So, anyway, that's 7 songs out of 10 that I REALLY like, which is a pretty good ratio.

I'll say what I always say - Once is great, but Century Child is the best them. 

Yeah, to put it another way:  Century Child is the band really finding themselves and their sound (with Tarja and Marco, anyway).  Once is taking that and making it more polished and radio-friendly.  Which on one hand, could be considered taking it up a notch by perfecting it.  But could also be considered on the other hand as watering it down just a bit to make it more accessible to the masses.  Either way, it's a good album.  It just comes down to whether or not you prefer that more radio-friendly approach.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 13, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
Gotta agree with bosk on the self-indulgent nature of some of the songs post-Tarja. Poet is an amazing song imo but when you think about it that is the ultimate ego stroke. Could do without the spoken part. Same goes for Song of Myself on Imaginaerum...

I forgot about Ever Dream, how is that possible? One of their greatest songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 13, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Thanks you guys for taking the time to help me out with this!  Btw, which of the two concerts on Vehicle of Spirit do you like best. I've watched each of them once and they both have their strong points. I found the song "Sleeping Sun" on the disc 2 to be hauntingly beautiful! Floor Jansen owned the stage on that one..  The production seemed a little bigger for the outdoor show as well..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 13, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
Century Child tends to lose steam with me after Ever Dream, but the first handful of songs are awesome.

It does tend to lose steam a bit before the big, epic closer, Beauty of the Beast.  But where you drew the line jumped out at me.  I'm kind of surprised you didn't go one more song farther, because Slaying the Dreamer is a BEAST.  You no likey?

No, I love that song.  I couldn't remember if it came before or after Ever Dream and was too lazy to open my phone and check the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Thanks you guys for taking the time to help me out with this!  Btw, which of the two concerts on Vehicle of Spirit do you like best. I've watched each of them once and they both have their strong points. I found the song "Sleeping Sun" on the disc 2 to be hauntingly beautiful! Floor Jansen owned the stage on that one..  The production seemed a little bigger for the outdoor show as well..

I haven't bought or seen it, so I can't comment. 

That does, however, jog my memory that there is a pre-Endless Forms Most Beautiful live release with Floor that is REALLY good (even though it is a bit short).  The Showtime, Storytime CD/DVD set from Wacken is terrific.  I would highly recommend it.  It's a good performance of basically a "hits" set from up through their prior album.  I don't remember whether that was Floor's VERY first show, or was after just a few shows.  You can tell she is still finding her way with them just a bit.  But she is still amazing.

Century Child tends to lose steam with me after Ever Dream, but the first handful of songs are awesome.

It does tend to lose steam a bit before the big, epic closer, Beauty of the Beast.  But where you drew the line jumped out at me.  I'm kind of surprised you didn't go one more song farther, because Slaying the Dreamer is a BEAST.  You no likey?

No, I love that song.  I couldn't remember if it came before or after Ever Dream and was too lazy to open my phone and check the album.

Oh, okay.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
Thanks you guys for taking the time to help me out with this!  Btw, which of the two concerts on Vehicle of Spirit do you like best. I've watched each of them once and they both have their strong points. I found the song "Sleeping Sun" on the disc 2 to be hauntingly beautiful! Floor Jansen owned the stage on that one..  The production seemed a little bigger for the outdoor show as well..

I like the Wembley show more personally, but both are great.

Also, pretty much agree with what everyone else is recommending.

I find EFMB to be my favorite album of theirs, but Once isn't far behind.  Century Child is definitely great and was my intro to the band. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 02:09:49 PM
Back to the Showtime, Storytime live set for a second:  I know Floor gets praised--and rightly so--for her stunning performance on Ghost Love Score, especially what she does with the end of the song.  Chills!  But the vamping she does at the end of Storytime is equally glorious and often overlooked.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 13, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
Back to the Showtime, Storytime live set for a second:  I know Floor gets praised--and rightly so--for her stunning performance on Ghost Love Score, especially what she does with the end of the song.  Chills!  But the vamping she does at the end of Storytime is equally glorious and often overlooked.

Mine is in She is My Sin. The last chorus, man does she belt that out so good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 13, 2017, 04:08:52 PM
Just by watching the concert dvd's, it looks like Nightwish has a large following. Are they more recognized around the world than Dream Theater?
 I know the concerts were filmed in Europe, where there is much more appreciation for symphonic metal and Prog rock. It appears Nightwish has achieved arena status, which is awesome!  Dream Theater deserves arena status too..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2017, 04:19:38 PM
Just by watching the concert dvd's, it looks like Nightwish has a large following. Are they more recognized around the world than Dream Theater?
 I know the concerts were filmed in Europe, where there is much more appreciation for symphonic metal and Prog rock. It appears Nightwish has achieved arena status, which is awesome!  Dream Theater deserves arena status too..

Nightwish definitely have a strong following in Europe, more so than DT.  DT may have a larger audience in the US though, it may be close.  They both played the same venue in NYC fairly recently with DT drawing a slightly larger crowd (from my own eyes) plus were alone vs. Nightwish with Sabaton and Delain.  The following tour, Nightwish played smaller venues in the area, but sold them out.  DT seem to be struggling to sell tickets at the moment, but if they also went to a smaller venue like NW did, I think it would sell out or close to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 13, 2017, 04:35:02 PM
Yeah, I find it a bit discouraging that DT is struggling to sell tix. I hope they come back with a vengeance on their next album and do well on the following tour.
I actually think a DT and NW co-headline tour would be awesome! Though it will probably never happen.  I was reading the biographies of the band members on the NW website and checking out their favorite bands and influences. I was surprised only one member made any mention of DT.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 13, 2017, 04:51:23 PM
I mean I'm looking at the venues that Nightwish and DT are playing in Anaheim and both of them have been playing the City National Grove of Anaheim.  Only 1,700 people.  Heck, Nightwish is coming back to that venue next year.  I'm probably not going to get tickets for that since they are too expensive for me.  $58 plus $15 fee for the worst seats.

In comparison, I'm seeing Breaking Benjamin and Halestorm within a week span at the House of Blues in Anaheim and I'm paying $58 and $46.50 total and honestly, I like those bands better than Nightwish so I feel like I got better value (I like Nightwish from what I heard from Endless Forms Most Beautiful, and I do want to dive into more of their stuff, but I just can't justify paying at least $70+ for a ticket for any band, unless it is Alter Bridge playing with an orchestra like they are doing at Royal Albert Hall in October.  That's the only exception).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 05:05:18 PM
Just by watching the concert dvd's, it looks like Nightwish has a large following. Are they more recognized around the world than Dream Theater?
 I know the concerts were filmed in Europe, where there is much more appreciation for symphonic metal and Prog rock. It appears Nightwish has achieved arena status, which is awesome!  Dream Theater deserves arena status too..

Nightwish definitely have a strong following in Europe, more so than DT.  DT may have a larger audience in the US though, it may be close. 

Yeah, I think that's about right.  Nightwish are HUGE in their home country of Finland, and my understanding is that they are pretty big throughout much of Europe.  I tried to find specific numbers for their album sales, but that info can be hard to come up with.  According to an article I found from 2015, they had sold over 8 million albums by that date, and they attributed over a million each to Once and Dark Passion Play.  Their Wikipedia page says over 9 million.  I am pretty sure that is more than DT by just a little.  But the difference is that DT peaked out in terms of popularity early in their career, whereas Nightwish has peaked in the last decade and is probably more popular right now

EDIT:  Right after typing that post, I found this saying DT has sold 12 million worldwide:  https://dreamtheater.wikia.com/wiki/Dream_Theater  But the last sentence above in bold is still true, I think.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2017, 05:34:20 PM
I mean I'm looking at the venues that Nightwish and DT are playing in Anaheim and both of them have been playing the City National Grove of Anaheim.  Only 1,700 people.  Heck, Nightwish is coming back to that venue next year.  I'm probably not going to get tickets for that since they are too expensive for me.  $58 plus $15 fee for the worst seats.

In comparison, I'm seeing Breaking Benjamin and Halestorm within a week span at the House of Blues in Anaheim and I'm paying $58 and $46.50 total and honestly, I like those bands better than Nightwish so I feel like I got better value (I like Nightwish from what I heard from Endless Forms Most Beautiful, and I do want to dive into more of their stuff, but I just can't justify paying at least $70+ for a ticket for any band, unless it is Alter Bridge playing with an orchestra like they are doing at Royal Albert Hall in October.  That's the only exception).

If it makes a difference, Nightwish's US tour next year is said to be of all old material and re-worked songs.  I think that makes it a pretty unique tour.  Maybe that changes or only reaffirms your feelings on the price.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 13, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
The Showtime, Storytime CD/DVD set from Wacken is terrific.  I would highly recommend it.  It's a good performance of basically a "hits" set from up through their prior album.  I don't remember whether that was Floor's VERY first show, or was after just a few shows.  You can tell she is still finding her way with them just a bit.  But she is still amazing.

Far from it.  Her first show was long before that.  Annette was gassed in October during the tour - I remember, because I was leaving a conference in San Fran the night that she was playing like her 2nd show at The Warfield, and couldn't go; Wacken was filmed almost a year later in August.

Quick search... Floor's first show was in Seattle Oct 2nd.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 13, 2017, 06:48:11 PM
I saw Anette perform in St. Louis like, less than a week before she got sacked. Everyone looked like they were having a blast on stage and Anette KILLED it. Scaretale was one of the most fun live songs I've ever seen by a band. I really liked Anette...

(Just checked - Sep. 25 was Sauget, IL, and then she was fired Oct. 1st. So yeah, a week.)

Nightwish also had a full length movie made about Imaginaerum. Did anyone else watch it? Only saw it once and didn't think it was bad but probably nothing I'd watch again. Visually it was cool though and the Slow Love Slow scene was awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 07:31:36 PM
The Showtime, Storytime CD/DVD set from Wacken is terrific.  I would highly recommend it.  It's a good performance of basically a "hits" set from up through their prior album.  I don't remember whether that was Floor's VERY first show, or was after just a few shows.  You can tell she is still finding her way with them just a bit.  But she is still amazing.

Far from it.  Her first show was long before that.  Annette was gassed in October during the tour - I remember, because I was leaving a conference in San Fran the night that she was playing like her 2nd show at The Warfield, and couldn't go; Wacken was filmed almost a year later in August.

Quick search... Floor's first show was in Seattle Oct 2nd.

Oh, right.  Yeah, I couldn't remember the timing, but remember she was still relatively new.  But, yeah, thanks for helping with the details.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 13, 2017, 08:43:32 PM
Yeah, I think that's about right.  Nightwish are HUGE in their home country of Finland, and my understanding is that they are pretty big throughout much of Europe.  I tried to find specific numbers for their album sales, but that info can be hard to come up with.  According to an article I found from 2015, they had sold over 8 million albums by that date, and they attributed over a million each to Once and Dark Passion Play.  Their Wikipedia page says over 9 million.  I am pretty sure that is more than DT by just a little.  But the difference is that DT peaked out in terms of popularity early in their career, whereas Nightwish has peaked in the last decade and is probably more popular right now

EDIT:  Right after typing that post, I found this saying DT has sold 12 million worldwide:  https://dreamtheater.wikia.com/wiki/Dream_Theater  But the last sentence above in bold is still true, I think.

To put it in perspective, after Nightwish fired Tarja in 2005, the Finnish president was asked their thoughts about the split.  That's equal to Beyoncé-level interest in the US, where Obama may have made comments about big pop stars that are common household names.

They are huge around the world, and are doing well in the US, but are nowhere near playing arenas regularly here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on September 13, 2017, 09:24:17 PM
Quick search... Floor's first show was in Seattle Oct 2nd.

I was there. Such a memorable show. Think about it... you wake up the day of a show you've been waiting for, and read on the internet the band has fired their singer and have a replacement for that night's show! And then they proceed to knock it out of the park!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2017, 09:30:15 PM
Quick search... Floor's first show was in Seattle Oct 2nd.

I was there. Such a memorable show. Think about it... you wake up the day of a show you've been waiting for, and read on the internet the band has fired their singer and have a replacement for that night's show! And then they proceed to knock it out of the park!

I remember I was driving around the western half of America when all of it went down. I was in Seattle or near it when I heard that Anette left and Floor joined and quickly bought tickets and drove down to San Diego for that show. Front row. Amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 13, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
I saw the Chicago show exactly one week before Anette left the band. I'm very thankful I got to see them 4 times with her.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2017, 09:56:57 PM
Maybe it was just my bad luck. I saw the band twice with Anette and they looked bored out of their minds the whole time. I actually left one of the shows early because of how just uninterested they all seemed.

When I saw them with Floor they were filled with energy and joy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 14, 2017, 01:07:07 AM
I saw Anette perform in St. Louis like, less than a week before she got sacked. Everyone looked like they were having a blast on stage and Anette KILLED it. Scaretale was one of the most fun live songs I've ever seen by a band. I really liked Anette...

(Just checked - Sep. 25 was Sauget, IL, and then she was fired Oct. 1st. So yeah, a week.)

Nightwish also had a full length movie made about Imaginaerum. Did anyone else watch it? Only saw it once and didn't think it was bad but probably nothing I'd watch again. Visually it was cool though and the Slow Love Slow scene was awesome.

I have the movie on BR, it is really good actually, took me several watchings to finally get it though.
The soundtrack is also very good, all orchestral.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on September 14, 2017, 04:14:44 AM
Never seen the film, though I did youtube the soundtrack once and it was nice, still have to check it out.

Also, at this point I am certain Nightwish definitely has a bigger crowd than DT in Europe. Quite a bit I'd even say. I recall them playing in front of crowds close to 10.000 a couple of times in different countries. And here (in the Netherlands) they easily sold out two shows (in the same weekend) in a venue that holds 6000 people.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 14, 2017, 05:09:19 AM
In my hometown in Italy they played the same venue as DT, but they also recently headlined a summer festival and DT didn't do that since 2009.

They're both big enough to play in the biggest sport venue in Milan, but overall I'd say that currently also in Italy NW are bigger, I believe they sell out shows while DT don't, even though the venue is never empty when they play.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2017, 08:49:45 AM
I saw Nightwish with Annette about two weeks before her leaving the band.  I loved the concert, but the band did look a little disinterested.  They played The Escapist though so that was really cool, maybe the last time they ever play that one.  I'm glad to have caught them once with her even though Floor is much better.

Also, there was that one concert with no real singer.  They performed with Elize (from Amaranthe) and Alyssa (now in Arch Enemy) who were both guest singers for opener Kamelot.  They sung some songs and had the crowd sing others.  There's videos of this on youtube that are really cool.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 14, 2017, 08:52:43 AM
Also, there was that one concert with no real singer.  They performed with Elize (from Amaranthe) and Alyssa (now in Arch Enemy) who were both guest singers for opener Kamelot.  They sung some songs and had the crowd sing others.  There's videos of this on youtube that are really cool.

That is one I would have loved to see professionally made as like an extra on a DVD. The youtube vids are really cool with them reading lyrics off of paper and everything.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 14, 2017, 10:19:57 AM
Also, there was that one concert with no real singer.  They performed with Elize (from Amaranthe) and Alyssa (now in Arch Enemy) who were both guest singers for opener Kamelot.  They sung some songs and had the crowd sing others.  There's videos of this on youtube that are really cool.

That is one I would have loved to see professionally made as like an extra on a DVD. The youtube vids are really cool with them reading lyrics off of paper and everything.

Denver if I recall correctly... while Floor was flying across the Atlantic learning the setlist.  I also recall this as the firm end for Annette, because she got all pissy that the band didn't cancel the show(s) because of her illness.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2017, 11:13:40 AM
Also, there was that one concert with no real singer.  They performed with Elize (from Amaranthe) and Alyssa (now in Arch Enemy) who were both guest singers for opener Kamelot.  They sung some songs and had the crowd sing others.  There's videos of this on youtube that are really cool.

That is one I would have loved to see professionally made as like an extra on a DVD. The youtube vids are really cool with them reading lyrics off of paper and everything.

Denver if I recall correctly... while Floor was flying across the Atlantic learning the setlist.  I also recall this as the firm end for Annette, because she got all pissy that the band didn't cancel the show(s) because of her illness.

Yea, I believe that show was the nail in the coffin as Annette didn't take that very well and with whatever other tensions built up between them, that was it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 14, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
IMO, tying in a bit with the Sons of Apollo thread, one of the reasons I'm not as interested in Nightwish as I used to be is because of the way the band has treated the singers. The method of firing Tarja was low as dirt, and kicking Anette off for her illness without even talking to her beforehand was another crap move. I really, strongly dislike Tuomas's diva attitude and the way he's treated both of them. It's good to know he said Floor will be Nightwish's last singer, but for the love of god, it better not end the same way when the day comes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 14, 2017, 11:15:21 AM
IMO, tying in a bit with the Sons of Apollo thread, one of the reasons I'm not as interested in Nightwish as I used to be is because of the way the band has treated the singers. The method of firing Tarja was low as dirt, and kicking Anette off for her illness without even talking to her beforehand was another crap move. I really, strongly dislike Tuomas's diva attitude and the way he's treated both of them. It's good to know he said Floor will be Nightwish's last singer, but for the love of god, it better not end the same way when the day comes.

I agree about Tarja, though I'm cool she's gone. However, I don't think your assessment of Anette is accurate. I think there were major problems that no one was talking about publicly and that was the final straw.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2017, 11:17:06 AM
I really, strongly dislike Tuomas's diva attitude and the way he's treated both of them.

I agree.  He comes off as a real ass in both firings, even if we don't know the whole extent of what happened with Annette. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 14, 2017, 11:22:00 AM
@Adami - that's true. I of course have no idea about the behind the scenes stuff, but both times I saw them over the years they seemed to have an absolute blast on stage, hell Anette was trading smiles with Marco and Tuomas and Emppu and she was all smiles and dancing around, even on that first tour post-DPP where she had a few shows breaking down crying because of the pressure and some fans not happy with her. But just based on how she was fired and how Tuomas fired Tarja, I gotta give benefit of the doubt to Anette. Someone said something about DPP showing just how egotistical Tuomas is (I mean hell, the whole damn Imaginaerum film and album concept is about HIM!) - totally agree and it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Would like to hear the truth someday but perhaps it's best left in the past. I do have to say even though Endless Forms doesn't blow me away, hearing Floor on Weak Fantasy gives me chills. What a voice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 14, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
I think Tuomas definitely has a HUGE ego and is totally full of himself. I also think Anette was not getting along well with the band and firing her was the right way to go. They've said she was not a right fit for the band. They shouldn't be forced to keep someone who is a bad fit, and the whole Denver show situation just was the event that pushed everything.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 14, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
One would think that a massive worldwide search for a singer, that was not even limited to Finland unlike Maiden when Steve Harris was bent on having a british singer, would have produced the right fit... uh well.

I'm happy Floor is in the band but Imaginareum is my favorite Nightwish album. And yeah, leaving Tarja a letter after a concert that goes "You're full of sh*t and your husband is annoying too, you're out. PS: All the internet knows it" is the worst way to fire a band member ever.  Even worse than Jon Schaffer firing Tim Owens the day before Christmas by mail.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 14, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Yea there's no excuse for how they handled Tarja.

As far as hiring Anette, that was pretty odd too. She was rejected actually and then basically fought to get in the band. Maybe Tuomas thought he'd get laid or something and didn't. I dunno.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 14, 2017, 12:14:50 PM
Yea there's no excuse for how they handled Tarja.

As far as hiring Anette, that was pretty odd too. She was rejected actually and then basically fought to get in the band. Maybe Tuomas thought he'd get laid or something and didn't. I dunno.

Wait wow, really? I didn't know that. Surprising how they ended up with her then.

Like I said earlier DPP was the album that made the band 'click' with me. I'm gonna go listen to Meadows of Heaven now. That song makes me choke up as it gets close to the end.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 14, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
IMO, tying in a bit with the Sons of Apollo thread, one of the reasons I'm not as interested in Nightwish as I used to be is because of the way the band has treated the singers. The method of firing Tarja was low as dirt, and kicking Anette off for her illness without even talking to her beforehand was another crap move. I really, strongly dislike Tuomas's diva attitude and the way he's treated both of them. It's good to know he said Floor will be Nightwish's last singer, but for the love of god, it better not end the same way when the day comes.

I don't think of Tuomas as a diva, but more of THE band leader.  He writes the music, he has the vision.  The same goes for Jon Schaffer of Iced Earth - if you're not on board with what he sees is right for the band, you're gone.  I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  Some bands aren't a democracy.  Nightwish is one of those bands where it's just a freight train moviing forward, and if you aren't fully buckled in, then there's no stopping the train just for you.

As others have said, Annette's firing was totally just - you don't come out in the media/social media and slam your bandmates for performing with replacement singers when you are ill.  They also had Floor lined up already because of Annette's (publically unannounced) pregnancy.  After dealing with a true diva in Tarja, they just fired Annette, rather than trying to deal with someone who felt that they were more important than the band. 

Tarja, I see both sides.  The open letter was kind of shitty, but at the same time, firing her was going to create such a massive shitstorm from the fans because she was so beloved.  So by posting the open letter online, they could just open themselves up to the fans and everyone gets the news.  The Once Upon a Nightwish book really shows how awful Tarja and her husband were.  They turned down offers to open up as direct support for Metallica because Marcelo/Tarja thought that they should be paid more.  How dumb is that - you can ask for more money, but don't flat out say no to opening to the biggest band in the world at a time when Nightwish wasn't quite as known as they are now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: vtgrad on September 14, 2017, 12:52:26 PM
Wow... where have I been?

I'd heard of NW in passing and listened (just listened, no vids) to a few songs and liked the arrangements and the heaviness; based on hearing the music alone, I was very impressed with the vocalist (Floor) and really liked the style of the band.  Then... I saw a video.

Floor commands that stage (and she honestly appears not to try as she looks to be a little back of center stage); not only that, she's got serious, serious power with her voice and serious control as well.  Personally, she reminds me of how Plant commanded the stage for LZ and how Back commanded the stage for Skid Row (which I saw live as a young teen... say what you what, Bach was imposing during a live show).  It also doesn't hurt that Floor is easy on the eyes.

I've got to say the band looks like they're having a blast as well in the vids I've seen... love seeing the interaction between the guitarist and everyone else (walking by and touching them, throwing the horns up to band-mates, etc) and love seeing the smiles on all the faces.  Lyrical content is a little off-putting for me personally, but Floor's voice and power are almost hypnotic.

I am a fan of Evanescence (kind of had a crush on Amy as a younger man because she reminded me of my girlfriend at the time... who later became my wonderful wife) so I guess I'm a bit familiar with this type of music... but I've not seen anyone command a stage like Floor in a long time.  Again, it looks like she's not even trying to command it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2017, 01:16:45 PM
Again, it looks like she's not even trying to command it.

I agree, she just does it naturally because she is a pretty tall person (and looks ever taller next to Empuu) and with her voice.  From the two times I've seen NW with her and the two blu-rays, she actually looks like she isn't totally comfortable being up front and moving around the stage (the second concert with the long walk out stage on Vehicle of Spirit that no one makes use of), but she doesn't need to.  She can just stand there and tower over everyone with her body and voice. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 14, 2017, 01:21:31 PM
IMO, tying in a bit with the Sons of Apollo thread, one of the reasons I'm not as interested in Nightwish as I used to be is because of the way the band has treated the singers. The method of firing Tarja was low as dirt, and kicking Anette off for her illness without even talking to her beforehand was another crap move. I really, strongly dislike Tuomas's diva attitude and the way he's treated both of them. It's good to know he said Floor will be Nightwish's last singer, but for the love of god, it better not end the same way when the day comes.

I don't think of Tuomas as a diva, but more of THE band leader.  He writes the music, he has the vision.  The same goes for Jon Schaffer of Iced Earth - if you're not on board with what he sees is right for the band, you're gone.  I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  Some bands aren't a democracy.  Nightwish is one of those bands where it's just a freight train moviing forward, and if you aren't fully buckled in, then there's no stopping the train just for you.

(I'm not ignoring the rest of your post, I just find this part really interesting for discussion)

That's fair, I think you're entitled to that opinion. Me, personally, I think it's a slippery slope. I had a long post written up about why I don't like band leaders having carte blanche with the other members belonging in the band, I think bands should be a democracy and even if the leader has all or most of the ideas they should allow the other guys to get their ideas in *if* they want them in. That's why I don't much have a problem with Tony Kakko leading Sonata Arctica - he's open to all the other guys' musical opinions on his work and takes them into consideration, and the other guys are cool with him writing all the stuff.

But then there's Stratovarius - if you're not familiar with the whole saga, check it out on their biography on metal-archives.com or wikipedia, from the publicity stunt around 2004 to Tolkki's departure in 2008. His 'vision' for the band removed 3 of the biggest components of the band's sound on the last album with him - almost no solos or keyboards and almost no high-register vocals. There's definitely a reason not a single song from that album has ever been played live. Iced Earth I'd be here all day because I love/hate Jon Schaffer and some of his political conspiracy nonsense drives me up a wall. :)

But with regards to Nightwish, I have no idea what the songwriting process is like. I do really hope Floor gets some input on their next album though, because I don't think her voice was used to its full potential on EFMB! I'm really looking forward to it regardless.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 14, 2017, 01:24:11 PM
Well the other guys do get a good say in Nightwish. Well, some of them anyway. Marco has written entire songs musically and Empu has written plenty of riffs. I thin the singers are the only ones who get no say in writing, but Anette said she was able to improvise quite a bit on the albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 14, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
Tuomas ... he is most definitely a diva.  And I don't think he has a problem with it.  He sees NW as his baby, and feels entirely entitled to command (virtually) complete control.

Firing of Tarja... total shit-storm on both sides.  There's two sides to every story, and the truth lies somewhere between.  I firmly believe that to be the case.  Both sides could've handled the lead up to, and the firing much better.  In the long run, neither of them have suffered as a result of how things went down though.  I always watch End of an Era, and notice some of the looks that Tuomas has towards Tarja, and wonder if he's thinking "you'll get yours at the end of this show"

Firing of Annette... circumstances (pregnancy/illness) make it look worse than it was.  Right from the lead up to that tour, it was a badly kept secret that all was not right with the five of them - and Annette was the expendable member.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 14, 2017, 01:44:56 PM
After Kiske returning with Helloween "Never say never" is stronger than ever as a motto, but... if there's ever a reunion that is NOT gonna happen, I believe it would be Tarja with Nightwish. Not even say for an encore 20 years down the line when they're all older and wiser and detached from the whole thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 14, 2017, 01:47:33 PM
Skid Row / Bach is the only reunion that I believe will NEVER happen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 14, 2017, 02:08:57 PM
Skid Row / Bach is the only reunion that I believe will NEVER happen.

Didn't Bach said that he was open to the idea? I remember a comment on the likes of "Well, we should do it now that we still have all our hair" or something.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 14, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
After Kiske returning with Helloween "Never say never" is stronger than ever as a motto, but... if there's ever a reunion that is NOT gonna happen, I believe it would be Tarja with Nightwish. Not even say for an encore 20 years down the line when they're all older and wiser and detached from the whole thing.

Hell, I think Axl playing with Slash was more unlikely than Kiske with Helloween!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 14, 2017, 02:28:12 PM
The stories about Tarja in the book are really just the tip of a massive iceberg.
The author was threatened with legal action if he published some of the more 'interesting' antics of Tarja and her husband.
In fact proceedings were (at a later stage) started against him for what was in the book, but later dropped.

Yes they could have handled it better, but as much as I love the Tarja's NW era and her voice, she pretty much got what she deserved for her behaviour in her last 12-18 months in the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: vtgrad on September 14, 2017, 03:50:53 PM
Skid Row / Bach is the only reunion that I believe will NEVER happen.

Didn't Bach said that he was open to the idea? I remember a comment on the likes of "Well, we should do it now that we still have all our hair" or something.

I think he did... think a fan saw the "Skid Row" emblem on a tour poster or something like that and set it to Bach over social media; I think he and the guys talked some but they (Skid Row) ultimately took who they have now.  With Snake saying something like "I'll take ease of living over money any day" (I'm paraphrasing).

I'd like to see them get back together... the tension between those guys made some great music.

Floor's got my vote from the little bit I've seen of the other two... maybe that is because she is my first experience with them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 14, 2017, 05:25:58 PM
Thankfully ZP Theart is more than a good fit for Skid Row and is a MASSIVE fan of Bach (Skid Row is, I think, his favorite band, after all) so I'm sure he has plenty of respect for Bach and that whole situation.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 14, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
I'm kind of glad I missed the Drama part of NW.  I just got on board with them in the last week or two and Floor is the only singer I know anything about. She is incredible and certianly owns the stage. I watched the two Vehicle of Spirit shows on blu-ray and blown away by how good they are, I'm actually quite FLOORED!  (Sorry, I couldn't resist)   ;D
 Nightwish would be fools to ever think she is expendable, they better keep her and never look back! She is so versatile, Angelic to operatic to a great rock singer to full on metal that could more than easily give Lzzy Hale a serious run for her money in the grit dept. Plus she's fearless and smiles a lot while singing. The whole band seems fearless, especially the bass player which is a good singer too.
 I personally think NW might achieve new heights in popularity with this line-up. I need to take a break from them for a couple of days because I can't get their catchy songs out of my head. Lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 14, 2017, 11:17:40 PM
I just hope their next album utilizes her vocal capabilities more fully (and is also a better album in general).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 15, 2017, 04:31:26 PM
What about that new drummer on the new dvd's? I know he's not the long term drummer, but is he just filling in or is he their permanent knew drummer. He's amazing on VOS concerts!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 15, 2017, 04:37:35 PM
Kai Hahto is Wintersun's drummer and I don't think he's a permanent replacement but he is a long-time fill-in while Jukka gets himself right. Jukka took an indefinite hiatus 2-3 years ago because of insomnia affecting his health. No idea what his status is at this point.

I met Kai back in 2012 when Wintersun finally got over to Chicago. These days I actively loathe Wintersun but Kai is an incredibly kind and cool person and a beast at the drums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 15, 2017, 05:22:38 PM
Kai isn't currently active in Wintersun.
He isn't on the current WS tour, he is recovering from some sort of injury (hand, wrist or arm), they have . 2 guys filling in for him.
He wasn't on the new album either, that was all Jari and programmed drums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 15, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
Hopefully Jukka recovers from his insomnia problems and returns soon.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 15, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Hopefully Jukka recovers from his insomnia problems and returns soon.

I like Jukka's presence more, but this guy is a tighter player and I like the sound of his drums way more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 15, 2017, 07:39:51 PM
Kai isn't currently active in Wintersun.
He isn't on the current WS tour, he is recovering from some sort of injury (hand, wrist or arm), they have . 2 guys filling in for him.
He wasn't on the new album either, that was all Jari and programmed drums.

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up gaz. I haven't followed Wintersun for a long time (apart from the hilarity re: their social media the past few years) so wasn't aware of that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 15, 2017, 08:54:19 PM
I'm wondering if Jukka will even come back, or if he will remain behind the band's business aspects.  Yes, he could overcome the insomnia that was plaguing him while on the road with the band - but if he were to rejoin them on tour, would it reoccur?  Is that something he can handle, or does he stay out of the band and in better health?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 16, 2017, 05:02:18 AM
I'm wondering if Jukka will even come back, or if he will remain behind the band's business aspects.  Yes, he could overcome the insomnia that was plaguing him while on the road with the band - but if he were to rejoin them on tour, would it reoccur?  Is that something he can handle, or does he stay out of the band and in better health?

I was thinking that as well. Now that the tour is said and done, it's probably time to announce if he's coming back or not, since after all a new tour was already announced for next year. The possibility of him just staying the manager behind the scenes is surely present.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: abydos on September 16, 2017, 06:33:07 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he also opts out to be the drummer for the studio releases and skipping out on the tours. They seem to be decently popular so it seems like a good gig to be their touring drummer and they might have plenty willing guys for that part.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 16, 2017, 08:48:24 AM
Should get Alex Landenburg. Met him touring with Luca's Rhapsody and he's one of the coolest dudes around and his playing is phenomenal. :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 16, 2017, 04:00:17 PM
Kai seems like a nice fit to the band. When I watched the dvd's, I assumed he was their long-term drummer because he was so polished and had such a great drum sound. I'd be sad not to see Kai on the next tour. No disrepect to Jukka, I'm just not familiar.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 16, 2017, 04:02:09 PM
Should get Alex Landenburg. Met him touring with Luca's Rhapsody and he's one of the coolest dudes around and his playing is phenomenal. :)

Why? I mean, unless there's a reason to not use Kai, but I haven't seen one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 16, 2017, 05:19:54 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Kai is already the perfect replacement, a Finn, superb drummer, brings life to many of the older NW songs and gets on really well with the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 16, 2017, 05:23:31 PM
Well, I agree, I've just seen the same thing happen with other bands (great or perfect fit, tours as a guest while they figure out a permanent situation etc.) but they end up picking someone else for the 'permanent' role. Just sayin', Alex has proven a great fill-in drummer for other bands (Timo Tolkki, Stratovarius, Timo's Symfonia, Masterplan, all fellow power metal outfits) whereas Kai's background isn't so Nightwish-oriented.

Of course nothing wrong with Kai either, and it would give him something to do between the generation-long gaps between Wintersun albums, I'm just playing with future possibilities is all  :lol

EDIT: Didn't realize Kai has been playing with Nightwish for three years now. Jesus, time flies. Nevermind :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on September 18, 2017, 07:22:56 AM
I think Kai is probably a better drummer overall that Jukka, but Jukka live is just amazing to watch. Tons of energy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2017, 08:29:27 AM
Kai seems good enough for me so I have no issue if he wanted to continue doing the job.  Wonder how Jukka is feeling though and if he would ever come back.  I'm kind of guessing he won't be.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 20, 2017, 08:48:21 AM
Fuck yeah. Secured my tickets for Denver. All excited to finally see Nightwish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Samsara on September 20, 2017, 09:10:43 AM
I'm more a fan of Floor Jansen than I am Nightwish. I saw Floor perform in a tiny club with her last band, Revamp. But, I was hoping to catch Nightwish on this tour, as it has been years now since I have seen her last. Unfortunately, while my "local" gig is on a Friday night, it is also (in traffic) more than three hours away. Sucks.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 20, 2017, 09:19:48 AM
I'm more a fan of Floor Jansen than I am Nightwish. I saw Floor perform in a tiny club with her last band, Revamp. But, I was hoping to catch Nightwish on this tour, as it has been years now since I have seen her last. Unfortunately, while my "local" gig is on a Friday night, it is also (in traffic) more than three hours away. Sucks.

I'll have a nearly 3-year old and an infant at home when Nightwish comes through Chicago.  I won't be catching any shows for a while.  Sucks too, because this is going to be a mostly old-school set, which means that Floor may get to cut loose with some more big opera vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 20, 2017, 05:49:20 PM
For the Toronto gig, they're charging $120 for the top ticket, and I think $70-ish for the cheapest.  Given the venue, the seats for the cheapest are physically too small for me - Massey Hall was built pre 1900, and the seats in the 3rd balcony are literally too small for me to sit with my feet on the floor.  Not sure I really want to shell out $100ish for this show.

I'll see if I can get something cheaper just before the date.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 20, 2017, 06:23:47 PM
Last time I saw Nightwish was in 2012 in St. Louis (seen them there twice - actually it was Sauget, but Sauget is close enough to STL to count). Both in 2009 and 2012 I think tickets were $25. I wonder what they'll cost for the Chicago date next spring, they seem to have really, really blown up in popularity here since then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
That reminded me to check out the ticket situation for this in NYC.  I definitely want to see this tour.  Prices range from $70 general admission to $90 (including fees) seats in the back.  Got myself a seat so I have a guaranteed good view (I know this venue well and had the same seats for Avantasia).  It's definitely on the expensive side, but they sold out the last two shows near NYC last tour so I guess they expect a good turn out.  I'm wondering who is touring with them though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 20, 2017, 06:32:36 PM
Just checked. $55 for GA (eh, maybe I'll bite, that's a bit steep imo for the shows I like to attend), but $195.50 for VIP! Holy schnikes!! $25 got me right up front last time... that's gonna be tough to swallow.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 20, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
I'll shit myself if they sellout here.  The last 3 times around Toronto, they've played the Phoenix Concert Hall - 1350 is the fire-regulation capacity (standing only), but it's rarely over 1000 people in there.  Massey Hall is a seated theater of over 2700.  I was stunned when I saw they booked that venue.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2017, 07:48:32 PM
Where are you guys looking for tickets? I just checked Ticketmaster for the Anaheim show and all they have left is in the back.....IN APRIL 2018.

How did this happen?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
Where are you guys looking for tickets? I just checked Ticketmaster for the Anaheim show and all they have left is in the back.....IN APRIL 2018.

How did this happen?

Check axs.com ticketmaster for the NYC show was all resale.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 20, 2017, 07:50:04 PM
It's a very cheap looking site but for many years I've used Enterthevault.com

Apparently it's run by just one guy because back in 2010 after Kamelot cancelled their tour I got a refund for the tickets and he personally mailed me a signed laminate from the band as a token of appreciation for the business. And when they came back around the tix were $30 cheaper so I've kept using them. I've bought tickets from them many times
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2017, 08:01:25 PM
Where are you guys looking for tickets? I just checked Ticketmaster for the Anaheim show and all they have left is in the back.....IN APRIL 2018.

How did this happen?

Check axs.com ticketmaster for the NYC show was all resale.


Brilliant! Got a much better ticket there. God damn convenience fees though. Jesus.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 21, 2017, 01:10:04 AM
Dang, I just logged on to Ticketmaster to check out prices for the Portland Oregon Show and it said it is allready sold out. The concert isn't til April..  I guess I could try for the Vancouver BC show, but then I would have to get a passport or an enhanced licence. Spokane is a 7 hr drive from where I live.
 Why the heck are they skipping Seattle?? The biggest of the cities and right in the middle of it all..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Dang, I just logged on to Ticketmaster to check out prices for the Portland Oregon Show and it said it is allready sold out. The concert isn't til April..  I guess I could try for the Vancouver BC show, but then I would have to get a passport or an enhanced licence. Spokane is a 7 hr drive from where I live.
 Why the heck are they skipping Seattle?? The biggest of the cities and right in the middle of it all..

See above, dont use ticketmaster.

From nightwish on facebook today:

Quote
NORTH AMERICANS !!!
Be careful for how much you pay for your NIGHTWISH concert ticket. There are several ticket websites AND secondary ticket sales websites that are just aiming to rip you off big time.
From EnterTheVault you can ALWAYS find your cheapest NIGHTWISH concert tickets.
https://www.enterthevault.com/artist.php?id=43

I've used enterthevault before, and I checked and confirmed it's the same prices as axs.com.  I've used both sites before and both are legit and work fine for buying tickets.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 21, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
For Toronto, ETV is only selling the VIP upgrade - despite the fact that more than 1/2 the venue is available to purchase directly from the venue's website.  The range is $50-$160 ... before service fees and shit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 21, 2017, 09:38:18 AM
Dang, I just logged on to Ticketmaster to check out prices for the Portland Oregon Show and it said it is allready sold out. The concert isn't til April..  I guess I could try for the Vancouver BC show, but then I would have to get a passport or an enhanced licence. Spokane is a 7 hr drive from where I live.
 Why the heck are they skipping Seattle?? The biggest of the cities and right in the middle of it all..

See above, dont use ticketmaster.

From nightwish on facebook today:

Quote
NORTH AMERICANS !!!
Be careful for how much you pay for your NIGHTWISH concert ticket. There are several ticket websites AND secondary ticket sales websites that are just aiming to rip you off big time.
From EnterTheVault you can ALWAYS find your cheapest NIGHTWISH concert tickets.
https://www.enterthevault.com/artist.php?id=43

I've used enterthevault before, and I checked and confirmed it's the same prices as axs.com.  I've used both sites before and both are legit and work fine for buying tickets.
Cool, thanks for the link!  I've never had a problem with the official Ticketmaster site, Always got tix at face value. Just stay away from the ticket broker (legal scalpers) sites.  Stub-hub come to mind.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2017, 09:39:39 AM
Well ticket master is a resaler site now as well, and since they arent the official seller of the tickets, that's why you shouldn't shop there, at least not at first until the shows are legit sold out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 21, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
Well ticket master is a resaler site now as well, and since they arent the official seller of the tickets, that's why you shouldn't shop there, at least not at first until the shows are legit sold out.
Good to know, thank you!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
The Dark Element - "My Sweet Mystery" Feat Anette Olzon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKd6GfzpvdY)

That's a great tune, looking forward to hear the rest.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 25, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
The Dark Element - "My Sweet Mystery" Feat Anette Olzon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKd6GfzpvdY)

That's a great tune, looking forward to hear the rest.

Not bad!

Anette seems to have gone full sexy mom. I dig it.


Also, someone let that drummer take the dump he so clearly needs to take.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 25, 2017, 05:13:03 PM
The Dark Element - "My Sweet Mystery" Feat Anette Olzon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKd6GfzpvdY)

That's a great tune, looking forward to hear the rest.

This song was very Nightwish, and although not bad, wasn't quite as good as the title track. Great chorus though. Still better than Sons of Apollo. :biggrin:

EDIT: Here's To You is much better.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2017, 06:16:53 PM
Yea sounds very much like the typical Nightwish formula. I still enjoyed it though and it's nice hearing Anette again.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2017, 02:43:49 AM
The Dark Element - "My Sweet Mystery" Feat Anette Olzon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKd6GfzpvdY)

That's a great tune, looking forward to hear the rest.

Not bad!

Anette seems to have gone full sexy mom. I dig it.


Also, someone let that drummer take the dump he so clearly needs to take.

 :lol I noticed the drummer with that look as well.  Really digging these songs, definitely sounds like Nightwish and a bit like Amaranthe.  I'll probably be getting this album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 26, 2017, 03:00:27 AM
The Dark Element - "My Sweet Mystery" Feat Anette Olzon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKd6GfzpvdY)

That's a great tune, looking forward to hear the rest.

Not bad!

Anette seems to have gone full sexy mom. I dig it.


Also, someone let that drummer take the dump he so clearly needs to take.

 :lol I noticed the drummer with that look as well.  Really digging these songs, definitely sounds like Nightwish and a bit like Amaranthe.  I'll probably be getting this album.
My first thought was actually: that's a determined "don't stare at her ass" face.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 26, 2017, 04:31:51 AM
Sounds pretty much like Cain's Offering with a female singer, but a touch more melodic, a definite buy for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 26, 2017, 06:55:30 AM
I dig it - love the first song that they released, which was catchier.  I'll defintiely get this record.  I have no problem with them being Nightwish-lite, and it's nice to see Annette still doing something musical. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on September 26, 2017, 07:13:56 AM
I dig it - love the first song that they released, which was catchier.  I'll defintiely get this record.  I have no problem with them being Nightwish-lite, and it's nice to see Annette still doing something musical.

This. And she looked smokin hot in that video too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 26, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
I listened to My Sweet Mystery again. Better a second time, but damn is it close to ripping off Storytime.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 27, 2017, 05:30:49 AM
As with many band projects these days Jani and AA were never in a studio together and the video shoot was the first time they met in person.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on September 27, 2017, 06:30:04 AM
As with many band projects these days Jani and AA were never in a studio together and the video shoot was the first time they met in person.

Really? That's interesting considering the press release made it sound like they were collaborating from day one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 27, 2017, 06:52:52 AM
Not a bad tune for the style but I agree it gets dangerously close to Nightwish with that beginning, but not as much as Antemortem from the last Cain's Offering album. I'm looking forward to this. I like Anette and I love Jani.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 27, 2017, 08:56:26 AM
Not a bad tune for the style but I agree it gets dangerously close to Nightwish with that beginning...

I don't mind that at all.  I think there was good Nightwish with Anette and bad Nightwish with Anette.  Bad Nightwish with Anette fell into two categories:  (1) songs about Tarja, which were just weird; and, more relevant (2) songs that weren't really written with her voice in mind and didn't fit her voice all that well.  I thought the Nightwish Anette songs that didn't fall prey to either of those were mostly pretty good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 27, 2017, 09:04:10 AM
I just played DPP the other day - I'm not so keen on Master Passion Greed, but I'll defend Bye Bye Beautiful all day long. That song rocks.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 27, 2017, 09:08:49 AM
I just played DPP the other day - I'm not so keen on Master Passion Greed, but I'll defend Bye Bye Beautiful all day long. That song rocks.  :biggrin:

Agreed.  Not a fan of the shots at Tarja, but Bye Bye Beautiful at least is a good song, MPG I never really liked.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 27, 2017, 09:30:13 AM
Meadows of heaven is lovely.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 27, 2017, 09:39:10 AM
Bye Bye Beautiful is like Never Enough, the lyrics are just enough generic that you can forget what they're actually about and pretend they're about anyone that pisses you off.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on September 27, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
It did sound somewhat like the Nightwish formula, but that's a good thing. I'll probably buy it just because it's something new to listen to and I like Annette's vocals.
 I'm glad Nightwish has Floor though, I hope she's there for the long haul..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 29, 2017, 04:00:38 PM
Been on a Nightwish mood lately which I haven't been in a while. Hearing The Dark Element actually made me go back and listen to some Nightwish, felt an urge for that kind of music. I know it's been said before but Floor really is the prefect fit for Nightwish. I never really had a problem with Anette other than her voice didn't hold up live like it did on the albums sadly, atleast the times I saw them live. Floor on the other hand has such an incredible power in her voice she also came into the band with tons of experience in the business.
I know it's the neverending discussion but one thing I will say though is that going back and listening to Tarja made me remember how diffrent they sounded with someone singing more like an opera singer. That's as far I will go with that discussion so...  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2017, 04:16:14 PM
Floor is definitely hands down the best singer for the band IMO.  While many will say they didn't use her to her max on EFMB, which seems true to me, the music also didn't call for it.  I'm not entirely sure Tuomas wants to go to a more operatic sound either.  But Floor is just soooo good live.  I can't wait to see her perform more of the old material.  I have full faith she will nail it and maybe even add to it.

As for Annette live, I never had an issue with her live.  She was fine the one time I saw them with her.  She couldn't do the old Tarja songs though and it always felt like a Blaze Bailey comparison to IM.  However, at least NW would change up the vocal melodies a bit to suite her better, which may have also turned fans off, but I always kind of dug her spin on the songs.  I know I am in the minority there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you on anything you've written.

Floor is amazing.  And songs don't have to be written that push her to her limits just to show that.  My problems with EFMB had nothing to do with how she was utilized.  I think her talents were utilized just fine.  And, like you, I kind of like that the band aren't locked into the operatic style for their new music.  The fact that she can just SING in a more straightforward metal manner when called for, then snap into operatic mode when called for, and back again is a big upgrade from either of their two prior singers, and that is saying a lot since both of their prior singers (yes, even Anette) were quite talented.

I do not have a super clear recollection of Anette live, but my vague recollection from the clips I saw and from Live in Hong Kong and Other Places was that she was pretty solid, even if she did have to change up some vocal melodies here and there.  As I seem to recall, she made good decisions about altering parts live so she could sing them properly instead of straining and missing notes, and it worked.  (or maybe Tuomas rewrote the parts for her to sing--not sure how that dynamic worked)  But I thought she sounded pretty good live most of the time because she was smart about how she sang the songs and used her voice.

EDIT:  Checked a few clips on YouTube, and they basically bore out what I was saying about Anette.  A few that sound pretty good:
-Full set from 2012:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCkwbVefbzE
-Nemo and TPATP:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUF7E8INwFw
-Amaranth (this almost sounds TOO perfect and may be overdubbed):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ysv9KEjo8
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 29, 2017, 06:00:23 PM
I agree with ya'll, Anette had her moments live. I'm not trying to compare the two but it's interesting though hearing how diffrent they sing this part in The Poet and the Pendulum for example, even though she dosen't nail it completely Floor brings so much more life into it by singing two octaves higher imo.

Anette (https://youtu.be/BUF7E8INwFw?t=9m57s)
Floor (https://youtu.be/gbn9GczYBkw?t=4m52s)

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 29, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Having seen all three NW vocalists live, as far back as 2000 with Tarja right up to her final show with the band.
She will always be my quintessential  NW singer, while Anette struggled a lot with the old material, she did do the DPP material full justice.
Floor of course is great and of course she can do the complete back catalogue and then some.

It will be interesting to hear what NW come up with next, although it's a long way off I am sure TH has a fair idea of where the band is going.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 29, 2017, 07:48:08 PM
Here's hoping the next album has better lyrics.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 29, 2017, 08:23:49 PM
I hope Floor is used to her full potential on the next album. She's capable of so much more and I think the time off the band has had could probably do them some good. I really hope she gets to let loose.

My biggest problem is that a lot of the songs on EFMB felt derivative of earlier Nightwish works, like Tuomas was trying to capture lightning in a bottle again with songs like Shudder... emulating Dark Chest of Wonders, and there's another song later on that sounds uncomfortably close to Sahara. Also not a fan of Edema Ruh, I had no idea what it was about until I looked it up and it's a bit too on the nose; I tend to like songs inspired by fantasy that don't confuse the listener with its terminology if they aren't familiar.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 29, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
They better play The Siren this upcoming tour. Listening to that full set gets me all pumped wondering how good those old songs will be with Floor.

Floor has the perfect balance between Anette and Tarja. She knows when to use her rock in and operatic styles.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
Really like the heavy part that follows and onwards in TGSOE:

https://youtu.be/aTAaEHiGjvU?t=11m54s

Love when Marco and Floor sings together. Also which dosen't get adressed that often, the fact that they have a frontwoman that does the windmill is just awesome!  :metal

Btw the band que at 14:29, I wonder if that's done with clicktrack because I can't hear Kai counting in or something, everyone just starts together. Love small stuff like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Tyrias on October 03, 2017, 03:49:46 PM
pretty sure aol of their live show is done with a clicktrack, since they need to keep in sync with all the orchestral backing tracks they can't reproduce live
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 03, 2017, 05:19:58 PM
Oh yea. Their whole show is to a click.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 04, 2017, 04:26:16 AM
Yea that makes sense. I guess every band member has it, maybe not Floor though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 06, 2017, 04:25:16 PM
This is stunning, I love Tarja singing in this style.
https://youtu.be/spJlqZIHK24
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 06, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
I know this is old, but after forgetting about it for years, I was having a conversation the other day where Van Canto came up, and I had forgotten just how awesome their cover of Wishmaster is, so:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y

And while we're on the subject of Wishmaster, this misheard lyrics video is my favorite of those:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2017, 06:31:56 PM
This is stunning, I love Tarja singing in this style.
https://youtu.be/spJlqZIHK24


That was really great. I didn’t love her recent solo releases cause they felt super forced and like mediocre Noghtwish rip offs. This is much better for her style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 06, 2017, 06:42:25 PM
I'm totally with you on this, I said as the time it all sounds just a little too forced and unnatural, that album and EP are just mediocre at best.
Once again she proves what a great classical singer she is and as I have said many times before, I prefer her soprano classic stuff to the heavier material.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2017, 12:53:40 PM
I'm watching Showtime, Storytime right now. The banter is still cheesy and a tad embarrassing, but the performance is incredible. Floor is so awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 07, 2017, 12:57:05 PM
I'm watching Showtime, Storytime right now. The banter is still cheesy and a tad embarrassing, but the performance is incredible. Floor is so awesome.

I LOVE SAUSAGES!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
I'm watching Showtime, Storytime right now. The banter is still cheesy and a tad embarrassing, but the performance is incredible. Floor is so awesome.

I LOVE SAUSAGES!

I'm not quite there yet. Speaking of sausage, breakfast sausage is ok in small doses, but I hate sausage on pizza. Fucking gross.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 07, 2017, 01:58:21 PM
That's..........Romanticide.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 07, 2017, 02:36:48 PM
Listening to The Poet and The Pendulum from Vehicle of Spirit cd and wish they included the bonus version from Mexico city. She sings way better.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 07, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
Sausage on pizza is amazing, especially spicy sausage. I would even go as far to say as that might be my preferred pizza meat topping.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Sausage on pizza is amazing, especially spicy sausage. I would even go as far to say as that might be my preferred pizza meat topping.

That is not cool, Chris.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
I LOVE SAUSAGES!

That's..........Romanticide.

 :lol :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 13, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
But sausage is the ultimate pizza topping...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 13, 2017, 07:52:03 AM
You know what would be awesome to hear this coming tour....Creek Mary's Blood.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 13, 2017, 07:55:26 AM
You know what would be awesome to hear this coming tour....Creek Mary's Blood.

You know, that's a song I've never really appreciated as much as I should. According to setlist.fm they've only played it 13 times (maybe more, just going off their stats). I saw them play it once back in '09, when Anette had blonde hair. John Two-Hawks came on the stage and played with them. It was really cool. Extremely obscure pick for them though, would be odd hearing it so many years later on tour. Diehards would love it :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 13, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
I thought they would only play it if John Two-Hawks was there to perform it with them hence the low amount of times played.  Maybe I am wrong, I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 13, 2017, 08:50:50 AM
I thought they would only play it if John Two-Hawks was there to perform it with them hence the low amount of times played.  Maybe I am wrong, I'd love to see it.

Thats my thought as well. Because he does the intro and the spoken word at the end.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2017, 09:06:59 AM
I know this is the Nightwish thread but... has anyone else been obsessing over the few The Dark Element songs?  I think this album has become my most anticipated release for the remaining of the year.  I can't stop listening to these youtube videos.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 14, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
I know this is the Nightwish thread but... has anyone else been obsessing over the few The Dark Element songs?  I think this album has become my most anticipated release for the remaining of the year.  I can't stop listening to these youtube videos.

I can't wait.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on October 14, 2017, 12:51:28 PM
Nightwish has become one of my favorite bands recently. I'm hoping to see them in Portland Oregon in April, can't afford tix right now but hopefully soon..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 16, 2017, 11:07:49 AM
The Dark Element's new song Dead to Me is on Spotify and Amazon. This song has an even more similar Storytime riff :lol. Good song though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2017, 02:07:20 PM
Yea, this stuff is SUPER Nightwishy, but I'm digging it.

I think I'll buy this album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 16, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
The Dark Element's new song Dead to Me is on Spotify and Amazon. This song has an even more similar Storytime riff :lol. Good song though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eidS1nyQB50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eidS1nyQB50) Lyric video for it

Yea, this stuff is SUPER Nightwishy, but I'm digging it.

I think I'll buy this album.

Definitely a buy for me.  Love how this band sort of came out of no where (for me at least, I had no idea Annette was back into making music).

They definitely sound like Nightwish, I think that's OK, it sounds good, that's all I really care about, but I was thinking how they do sound like Nightwish but instead of the orchestration, it's electronic.   Pretty cool stuff released from them so far.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 18, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
The Dark Element's new song Dead to Me is on Spotify and Amazon. This song has an even more similar Storytime riff :lol. Good song though.

I watched this for the first time the other night and my first thought was that it was written about Tuomas/Nightwish.  Some of the comments are saying that Annette didn't write a thing - it could be about any relationship, including the other musician's departures from Sonata Arctica (I don't follow them).  But it's rather coincidental to see those lyrics knowing about her dismissal from the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 23, 2017, 02:38:29 PM
Here's Marco singing live in a Finnish metal song medley (with the Northern Kings):

https://areena.yle.fi/1-4261784 (https://areena.yle.fi/1-4261784)

Last part of the medley is Nightwish (I Wish I Had an Angel).

Also, relevant to my own interests, Tony Kakko is also singing. Don't know the other guy.  Anyways, nice little pro-shot clip.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 23, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
Fun fact: the bearded white cave troll that's conducting is Leif Segerstam, he's pretty much a legend.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 23, 2017, 07:40:43 PM
Here's Marco singing live in a Finnish metal song medley (with the Northern Kings):

https://areena.yle.fi/1-4261784 (https://areena.yle.fi/1-4261784)

Last part of the medley is Nightwish (I Wish I Had an Angel).

Also, relevant to my own interests, Tony Kakko is also singing. Don't know the other guy.  Anyways, nice little pro-shot clip.

The band is "Northern Kings" - Marco, Tony and JP Leppaluoto (singer in Charon).  They did metal covers of 80's pop songs.

JP also sang on the first Poisonblack record, which is amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 05, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
Not sure if this was posted before, but here's an interview with Anette Olzon on The David Hasselhoff Show of all things. She explains how she was fired by Nightwish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqolQkWtuE
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2017, 12:06:17 AM
Not sure if this was posted before, but here's an interview with Anette Olzon on The David Hasselhoff Show of all things. She explains how she was fired by Nightwish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqolQkWtuE

So Jukka had big problems with her? Huh.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 07:11:44 AM
And the Hoff is the one to have this interview?  :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 13, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
I am loving the Dark Element disc - there's one or two songs that I don't care for, but the rest is ridiculously awesome.  Even if it's Nightwish Lite.  Annette is kicking all sorts of ass here.

They should have just named it Litewish, though.   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 13, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
Litewish   :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2017, 02:41:04 PM
 :lol I bought the album over the weekend but only listened to some of it, which I enjoyed.  Forgot to put it on my phone so I got to do that tonight as I do most of my listening in the car and at work.  Litewish sounds kind of right though.  Definitely a bit too much of a nightwish sound, but it's still pretty good from what I heard so far.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 14, 2017, 07:24:27 AM
The guitars are super heavy, which was intentional per the making-of video.  But what is standing out to me is the drumming.  If I focus on listening to just the music, the drumming is huge with really fast fills and double bass which you don't really get in Nightwish.

I'm pretty impressed with the album so far.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on November 14, 2017, 09:24:10 AM
I also really enjoy this album. Just a really fun listen. Only a few duds for me but a pretty solid debut. Hopefully there is more to come.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 14, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
Is it comparable to the Cain's Offering albums at all? In other words, are there really fast power metally numbers in the vein of I Will Build You A Rome, or is it more of the stuff along the lines of Antemortem, and the singles we've heard? I won't get a chance to hear it until tonight at the earliest.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 14, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
<cough> https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51216.0 <cough>
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 15, 2017, 08:54:04 AM
I've spent a week 'discovering' this band.  Really liking what I've heard so far - which is the last 4 albums (Once onwards).  Quick question the older albums are quite expensive to get, however I notice there is a hits albums called 'Highest Hopes' which is a collection of songs from their first 5 albums (the Tarja albums).  It's really cheap, should I get this or buy the individual albums (at quite a cost).

Track Listing of Highest Hopes...

"Wish I Had an Angel" – 4:04
"Stargazers" – 4:26
"The Kinslayer" – 4:02
"Ever Dream" – 4:44
"Elvenpath" – 4:38
"Bless the Child" – 6:12
"Nemo" – 4:35
"Sleeping Sun" (2005 version) – 4:24[8]
"Dead to the World" – 4:19
"Over the Hills and Far Away" (Gary Moore cover) – 5:00
"Deep Silent Complete" – 3:57
"Sacrament of Wilderness" – 4:11
"Walking in the Air" – 5:27
"Wishmaster" – 4:24
"Phantom of the Opera - 4:10
"Dead Boy's Poem" – 6:48
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2017, 08:58:07 AM
I wouldn't get it.  The only "rarities" you get are Over the Hills and Far Away and a new version of Sleeping Sun.  I don't know the re-record of Sleeping Sun, but the song isn't good enough that I think it justifies a re-record anyway.  Their cover of Over the Hills and Far Away is pretty good.  But if you are going to spend money on that anyway, I would instead by the Over the Hills and Far Away EP, which has a couple of other rare cuts on it. 

All the other songs are album cuts.  I would just buy the albums.  I know it costs more to get the albums.  But the albums have a lot of other tracks that are highly worthwhile.  Just take your time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 15, 2017, 09:03:11 AM
I wouldn't get it.  The only "rarities" you get are Over the Hills and Far Away and a new version of Sleeping Sun.  I don't know the re-record of Sleeping Sun, but the song isn't good enough that I think it justifies a re-record anyway.  Their cover of Over the Hills and Far Away is pretty good.  But if you are going to spend money on that anyway, I would instead by the Over the Hills and Far Away EP, which has a couple of other rare cuts on it. 

All the other songs are album cuts.  I would just buy the albums.  I know it costs more to get the albums.  But the albums have a lot of other tracks that are highly worthwhile.  Just take your time.

OK cheers for the quick reply.  Of the other albums is there any order you'd recommend getting them in, I've heard the first album isn't upto much, but the other three all seem highly regarded.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 15, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
Since you've heard everything from Once to present, your next purchase should be Oceanborn. Trust me. Amazing Nightwish album. Then get Century Child.

After that you can worry about the others, those are the two you should be aiming for next :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 15, 2017, 09:16:10 AM
While i'm here.  Whats the general fan consensus on 'Endless Forms Most Beautiful'?  I like it, it was the first one I brought, but I'd probably rate it as the weakest of the 4 albums I've heard so far.  I know this will probably get me banned from the thread but I think Floor Jansen is my least favorite of the 3 vocalists, her voice is undoubtedly strong - but it's isn't as unique/interesting as the other two (based on this one album).  Heard she's great live though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 15, 2017, 09:22:38 AM
While i'm here.  Whats the general fan consensus on 'Endless Forms Most Beautiful'?  I like it, it was the first one I brought, but I'd probably rate it as the weakest of the 4 albums I've heard so far.  I know this will probably get me banned from the thread but I think Floor Jansen is my least favorite of the 3 vocalists, her voice is undoubtedly strong - but it's isn't as unique/interesting as the other two (based on this one album).  Heard she's great live though.

 :lol

I think I've gone over it before recently, but while I like some of Endless Forms, there are a lot of moments (and full songs) that sound like they plagiarized their own material from several albums ago (Once and Dark Passion Play especially). Floor is amazing live, and in studio, I just don't think they used her to her full potential on EFMB. I think she was used wonderfully on Weak Fantasy but there's not enough of that kind of singing on the album, it's too much of the Elan kind - soft, safe, predictable.

I think The Greatest Show On Earth is pretty cool in a lot of ways but overstays its welcome big time. But the first few minutes rule and the power of the orchestra hits early on, wow. This summer I was driving to work in the middle of the night through a heavy fog during the start of the song, that was something else.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2017, 09:30:00 AM
I think "concensus" is that it is a good album and that Floor does a decent job, but is "underutilized" given her talents.  Personally, I don't like the album, but that has nothing to do with Floor.  I think she does fine.  She does what the songs call for and sounds amazingly solid.  It doesn't matter to me that she isn't up at the top of her range more.  I just don't like the album. 

I also don't really care for Oceanborn much, other than a couple of tracks.  But I LOVE Century Child.  That, Once, and Imaginaerum are my favorites.  Oceanborn sounds to me like an album of a band that had seized on the fact that they wanted to be an operatic, symphonic, power metal type band, but hadn't yet figured out how to do it convincingly, if that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2017, 10:25:11 AM
EFMB is my personal favorite NW album, but if you are looking to go back to the first four albums, I wouldn't start with Oceanborn, I'd go back chronologically with Century Child, Wishmaster, Oceanborn, and if you enjoy those then go for Angels Fall First.  All of which are solid albums, but Angels Fall First is a bit raw and you can tell they haven't totallly figured out their way yet with songwriting, so that's the only album I wouldn't recommend at this point, but would be easier to digest going backwards one at a time so there's not a huge difference in sound all at once.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 15, 2017, 12:13:06 PM
Speaking of the Over The Hills EP, an absolute classic Nightwish song which is forgotten by many, '10th Man Down' which I don't think they've ever played live and because it's on the EP seems to be overlooked by many fans.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
I have the EP, but I have no recollection of how that song goes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 15, 2017, 12:28:49 PM
Hence my mentioning of it, give it a listen, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 15, 2017, 12:34:45 PM
I like EFMB a lot. When it came out I was super underwhelmed by it, but it has since grown on me a lot. It flows pretty well IMO.

Also not sure if anyone saw this, but they’re releasing limited edition shirts for the Decades world tour
https://www.backstagerockshop.com/collections/nightwish
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 15, 2017, 12:39:19 PM
Those are awesome shirts. 

I love EMFB, but would definitely prefer to have them let Floor loose on the next album.  We all know that she can do so much more. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 16, 2017, 03:56:25 AM

I also don't really care for Oceanborn much, other than a couple of tracks.  But I LOVE Century Child.  That, Once, and Imaginaerum are my favorites. 

Imaginaerum is my favorite of the 4 I've heard so far.  Once and Dark Passion I'd put together slightly behind, with EMFB last (but still enjoyable).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scrub206 on November 25, 2017, 10:19:44 PM
Recommend me a good place to start with Nightwish. I'm looking for more symphonic/power metal things. Which album has most of this? Thanks!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 25, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
Oceanborn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 26, 2017, 06:37:01 AM
The older material for more power metal and newer for the more symphonic. Maybe start at Century Child and if you want more power go older from their and more symphonic then go newer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 26, 2017, 10:46:39 AM
Recommend me a good place to start with Nightwish. I'm looking for more symphonic/power metal things. Which album has most of this? Thanks!
I highly recommend Vehicle of Spirit, it's a two concert DVD/blu-ray release of their 2015 tour. Both shows are fantastic and got me hooked on Nightwish. The Wembley concert also comes with a two disc audio cd, it's a great package deal that may seem a bit pricey but totally worth it!  Also, what is cool is both of the concerts have different setlists that are equally as good..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scrub206 on November 26, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
The older material for more power metal and newer for the more symphonic. Maybe start at Century Child and if you want more power go older from their and more symphonic then go newer.
Oceanborn.

Thank you I will check these out this week.

I highly recommend Vehicle of Spirit, it's a two concert DVD/blu-ray release of their 2015 tour. Both shows are fantastic and got me hooked on Nightwish. The Wembley concert also comes with a two disc audio cd, it's a great package deal that may seem a bit pricey but totally worth it!  Also, what is cool is both of the concerts have different setlists that are equally as good..

That's how I got into Amon Amarth, one of their Wacken performances. I'll check  this out too! Thank you
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 26, 2017, 12:44:56 PM
Welks!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Scrub206 on November 26, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
I'm really digging Century Child.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 28, 2017, 04:14:41 AM
European tour announced for next year!

As in, literally, next year, 12 months from now. Not even Iron Maiden announce shows so early in advance. Ykes!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on December 05, 2017, 02:34:49 PM
I just bought the Showtime/ Storytime live blu-ray and their newest studio album EFMB.
First of all, I had to go back in time to see what they were like when they first got Floor as their lead singer, so I wanted to see the Showtime/Storytime DVD after I was blown away by the two Vehicle of Spirit concerts.
The Showtime dvd was pretty much just as awesome! It was cool seeing Jakku on drums, as I was only familiar with Kai. ( As you can tell, I'm working my way backwards through the Nightwish catalog)
I think Kai is an amazing drummer, but so is Jakku. He's got a cool stage presence and has a unique approach to the drums. Floor Jansen nailed the songs and I liked the raw energy of her performance on this concert. She is an incredible gifted singer, one of the best out there imo. I thought she looked a lot cooler without the tats and overdone make-up, which by no means takes away from her talent. I hope she is with Nightwish indefinitely! 
 The Endless Forms Most Beautiful studio album is awesome! I like some of the live versions of those songs even better, especially The Greatest Show on Earth, and Alpenglow.  The title track is one of my favorites, it just puts me in a better mood and that upbeat chorus just kicks your ass, and makes you want to rock!  Then there's a very nice gem on this album that they didn't play live called Edema Ruh. That song has a lot of depth to it musically and I had to listen to it and the title track three times in a row. So glad those two songs are back to back, placed perfectly in the album.
 I forgot to mention the tour documentary from SS was very interesting, especially to see how Floor came into the picture. I wish I was a Nightwish fan at the time, I could have seen her very first show with them in Seattle..  :facepalm:  That would have been so cool to witness..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
Glad you enjoyed those. My only problem with Showtime Storytime is I'm not a huge fan of the camera angles used.  It's the Wacken footage you see on the youtube videos Wacken promotes, which is awesome for free on youtube, but for a dedicated concert DVD, I wish I had some more professional shots.  Performance wise, it's great.  It's really incredible that she was able to come in and fill the role so quickly and so well.  The documentary I found to be a bit boring at times and they really didn't go into anything with regards to Annette so it feels like it's missing a big part of the tour.  I understand why they wouldn't put her or anything specific about her in it, but as a viewer, I felt disappointed to not get the full story or even part of the story.  They kind of just avoided the elephant in the room.  Oh well, those are really just small problems with an otherwise awesome release. 

I'd rank the Nightwish DVDs:

Vehicle of Spirit
End of an Era
^ those two are pretty much neck and neck, but you get two concerts in Vehicle of Spirit
From Wishes to Eternity
Showtime Storytime
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on December 05, 2017, 05:02:23 PM
Cool, thanks for the heads up. I'll check out the other two as well. I agree about the camera angles being overdone, but great performance!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on December 05, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
I wish I liked the End of an Era video more. Something about the editing or cinematography doesn't appeal to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on December 06, 2017, 06:17:27 AM
I seen it on both VOS and SS dvd's, it cracks me up that the guitar player Emppu always has a Carona Beer on top of his guitar cabinet and he often chugs on it during a song when a guitar chord is ringing out. Lol, Jakku has that too.. 🍺
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 06, 2017, 08:19:19 AM
I seen it on both VOS and SS dvd's, it cracks me up that the guitar player Emppu always has a Carona Beer on top of his guitar cabinet and he often chugs on it during a song when a guitar chord is ringing out. Lol, Jakku has that too.. 🍺

Toumas has a wine bottle under his keyboard, a special cup holder made for it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on December 06, 2017, 10:59:26 AM
Oh yeah, I remember seeing that part behind the scenes, lol!  They seem like they have a lot of fun. I've drank beer while performing in smaller clubs etc. It does help take the edge off as long as you don't over-do it..
When I'm really nervous, my guitar playing really suffers. I'd rather be a little buzzed and play a bit loose than be nervous and a complete trainwreck!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on December 06, 2017, 06:31:33 PM
Tarja just released a Christmas single, a cover of Feliz Navidad. It is actually a lovely version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=Afjgsb_GAxo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=Afjgsb_GAxo)


Also, there will also be a charity version with Michael Monroe, DORO, Tony Kakko, Elize Ryd, Marko Saaresto, Timo Kotipelto, Simone Johanna Maria Simons, Cristina Scabbia, Joe Lynn Turner, Floor Jansen, Hansi Kürsch and Sharon den Adel. That eh... sounds like massive vocal overkill for an alternate version of this single, but also a very cool charity project. It is like a fullblown Ayreon lineup, haha. https://www.ear-music.net/news/2017/tarja-releases-charity-version-%E2%80%9Cfeliz-navidad%E2%80%9D-help-guest-artists-out-december-8th-2017 (https://www.ear-music.net/news/2017/tarja-releases-charity-version-%E2%80%9Cfeliz-navidad%E2%80%9D-help-guest-artists-out-december-8th-2017) It will be annoying because I want almost each of these singers to continue singing but they all likely have one line or something.

The charity is the Carribean islands hit by hurricane Irma btw, I will definitely donate a bit  ;D

Posted it in this thread because it relates to Tarja and Floor (and I couldn't find the Tarja thread).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 07, 2017, 01:55:18 AM
Tarja's new album is excellent, although it's mostly Christmas songs, that i generally don't like, she performs them in such a way that I am finding them really enjoyable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 07, 2017, 01:58:33 AM
Tarja's new album is excellent, although it's mostly Christmas songs, that i generally don't like, she performs them in such a way that I am finding them really enjoyable.

Indeed, I don't like the entire album as a whole, but some songs are quite good. Super creepy We Three Kings is a Tim Burton-esque gem.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 09, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
Anyway, better late than ever - I finally got around to watch Vehicle of Spirit, specifically Live at Wembley. And I did it without knowing the tracklist!

You see, I've missed Nightwish three times out of three when they came to Italy for Endless Forms Most Beautiful - every time in a distant town and on a difficult logistical day, and well, I have a simple way to cope with missed shows: just pretend they never happened and not seek information about it  ;D

So I managed to go through all this time never knowing what the show and the setlist was, and I watched the video as a complete surprise. Well, damn what have I missed! Very nice show and songs selections, with some surprises here and there and doing without a handful of classics. Floor was absolutely great, I have to say I don't like how she spends so much time standing still behind the mic stand but she makes up for it with an excellent performances, full of little nuances here and there (too many to remember all those passages where I was like "Hey, listen to what she's doing! awesome!"), and she has an hell of an imposing and magnetic presence.

Also nice to see Troy fully integrated in the band - last tour he was "Uillean pipes guy coming out to play the songs that required him", now he's a multistrumentalist and backing vocalist and definitively an added bonus to the band!

Personally I was never a big fan of 7 Days to the Wolves but for the rest there's not a single song on this that I wouldn't have wanted to see live.  Now I gotta see also the Tampere gig soon!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 09, 2017, 03:37:58 PM
Tampere gig is better. Floor sounds way better and the band just seems to be gelling more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2017, 03:41:59 PM
If you still have spoiled yourself, watch the Tampere show for a different set lost and a concert with a totally different feel to it. I personally like Wembley better, but both are good and have their own uniquenesses.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on December 09, 2017, 04:18:16 PM
Performances on the Tamlere concert are better, but visually Wembley is more pleasing. The first part of Tampere is during daylight, which detracts a lot from the lightshows and a bit from the overall atmosphere initially. But I still think Tampere is a bit better.
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Post by: Architeuthis on December 09, 2017, 05:13:42 PM
I like the Tampere show better. Like Ben Jammin said, the band seems to be tighter and feeling it  . Both shows are great though!
 Tampere has the title track from EFMB which kicks my ass every time when cranked up loud.  :metal
It also has a hauntingly beautiful version of Sleeping sun!
 Greatest Show on Earth is better on Tampere as well.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 24, 2017, 09:45:23 AM
I like the Tampere show better. Like Ben Jammin said, the band seems to be tighter and feeling it  . Both shows are great though!
 Tampere has the title track from EFMB which kicks my ass every time when cranked up loud.  :metal
It also has a hauntingly beautiful version of Sleeping sun!
 Greatest Show on Earth is better on Tampere as well.

I just wish both sets were on cd. At least the songs not yet released with Floor, its a sin Sleeping Sun wasnt.

What past songs are you guys interested in them doing live this upcoming tour?

I hope to hear:
Gethsemane
End of All Hope
Creek Mary's Blood
Wish I Had an Angel
Dead To The World
Swanheart
The Siren
Cadence of Her Last Breath
Meadows of Heaven

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Post by: Evermind on December 24, 2017, 10:17:51 AM
Well, if they even come here this tour, I'd like to hear (in no particular order)

Walking in the Air
Gethsemane
Sleeping Sun
Bare Grace Misery
Forever Yours
Ocean Soul (this one especially)
Beauty of the Beast
The Islander (they didn't play it in my city last time and I love this song)
Meadows of Heaven
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Post by: Adami on December 24, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
I'll go in chronological order, and I mostly focus on older songs since they are essentially ignored these days.

Angels Fall First (song)
Passion and the Opera
Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean
Dead Boy's Poem
Fantasmic
Slaying the Dreamer
Phantom
Beauty of the Beast


Ugh. I'd get pregnant from that.

Though I honestly just kind of expect the usual songs from the last 3 albums and maybe 1-3 songs from older albums.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 24, 2017, 11:11:27 AM
Angels Fall First
Gethsemane
Crownless
Dead Boy's Poem
Ocean Soul
Beauty Of The Beast
The Poet And The Pendulum (Heard it 3 times already, but it's my fav)
Meadows Of Heaven
Rest Calm
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Post by: Adami on December 24, 2017, 11:24:43 AM
I can't be the only one who loves Fantasmic.


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Post by: cramx3 on December 24, 2017, 11:26:18 AM
I'll go in chronological order, and I mostly focus on older songs since they are essentially ignored these days.

While true, not sure you are aware that this tour is "Decades" tour and is advertised as focussing on older material and said to rework some songs.  So honestly, I expect some of the older songs you guys are listing.

Personally, I want Beauty of the Beast.  But I am not hopeful on that one. 
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Post by: Adami on December 24, 2017, 11:30:37 AM
I'll go in chronological order, and I mostly focus on older songs since they are essentially ignored these days.

While true, not sure you are aware that this tour is "Decades" tour and is advertised as focussing on older material and said to rework some songs.  So honestly, I expect some of the older songs you guys are listing.

Personally, I want Beauty of the Beast.  But I am not hopeful on that one.

Oh yes, that's the main reason I bought tickets to the show in LA. I'm just still skeptical. I have a fear they will still focus on new material and if they do older stuff, they'll do them as part of a short acoustic set or something.

I dunno, maybe it's the depression talking. I hope to Cage I'm wrong.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 24, 2017, 12:00:18 PM
Personally, I want Beauty of the Beast.  But I am not hopeful on that one.

THIS. They absolutely have to bring back this and let us hear Floor singing it.
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Post by: Architeuthis on December 24, 2017, 02:00:12 PM
I'd be happy if they played something from EFMB later in the show or as an encore.. The title track would be awesome!  :metal
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Post by: Adami on December 24, 2017, 02:14:39 PM
I'd be happy if they played something from EFMB later in the show or as an encore.. The title track would be awesome!  :metal

Yea. I'd be cool without a ton from that album, mostly because they just toured on it heavily and released a great DVD of most of it. I'd prefer stuff they really haven't hammered on a lot recently.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2018, 12:43:32 PM
Tuomas' side project is incoming!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/auri-feat-nightwishs-tuomas-holopainen-troy-donockley-debut-album-due-in-march/

New track, also!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxrBv3PDHlg

Sounds more or less in vein with the Scrooge album. Looking very forward to this, it has the potential of being something unique!
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Post by: The Walrus on January 27, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
Jeeze, could that description get any more pompous?

Song isn't bad but it sounds exactly like Nightwish. Kind of had enough of Troy Donockley too. But Johanna Kurkela has my attention - love her voice, although I've only ever heard it on Sonata Arctica's song Deathaura, where she does a lovely job. I'll keep my eye on this.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2018, 09:56:36 AM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28336841_10160079792905068_7641027967036783865_o.jpg?oh=3dcbc8fe7f813be70c88b55c10362c5d&oe=5B4A730B)

Apparently everyone who attends can go to the merch booth with their ticket and get the compilation for free.  Pretty cool, seems to be a new trend in the industry to give a CD away with a ticket purchase (although I am still waiting for my Bon Jovi CD and the Metallica digital download never worked) to bump album sales numbers.  I wouldn't but this since I have their albums, but I'll grab my free copy when I see them soon. 

In other news related to NW...

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/)

This sounds like it could be awesome.  This guy is an AMAZING guitarist and Floor is obviously an amazing Singer. 
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Stepping free from boundaries, NORTHWARD's sound is strong, euphoric and straight in the tradition of SKUNK ANANSIE, FOO FIGHTERS and ALTER BRIDGE but also bands such as DEEP PURPLE and LED ZEPPELIN.
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Post by: Architeuthis on February 28, 2018, 10:36:40 AM
Jeeze, could that description get any more pompous?

Song isn't bad but it sounds exactly like Nightwish. Kind of had enough of Troy Donockley too.
I think Troy is a great addition to the band! The guy is a very accomplished musician on many different instruments and has great sense of melody with his phrasings. I could never get tired of that.
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Post by: Architeuthis on February 28, 2018, 10:57:16 AM
Btw cramx3, thanks for the link. That Northward project should be aw3some and worth checking out. I'm still hoping to get NW tickets for the Portland Oregon show. Its about a 4 hour drive or more and things are tight right now. I can't believe they are not playing Seattle!  ???
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Post by: SleeperAwake on February 28, 2018, 11:04:19 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/)

This sounds like it could be awesome.  This guy is an AMAZING guitarist and Floor is obviously an amazing Singer. 
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Stepping free from boundaries, NORTHWARD's sound is strong, euphoric and straight in the tradition of SKUNK ANANSIE, FOO FIGHTERS and ALTER BRIDGE but also bands such as DEEP PURPLE and LED ZEPPELIN.

It could be interesting. Floor has mentioned liking Skunk Anansie before - maybe now we'll get to hear her channel her inner Skin.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 04, 2018, 04:54:44 PM
AURI - The Space Between (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMGykxseAlc)

Only missing some power chords and it could easily be a Nightwish song but either way I do like it alot, very moody and I really love her voice.
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Post by: Adami on March 04, 2018, 05:00:46 PM
Decades tour starts in 5 days. Very eager to see what kind of set list they're going with.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 04, 2018, 06:48:14 PM
I imagine it’ll be similar to the track listing of the compilation. 
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2018, 12:30:51 PM
Decades tour starts in 5 days. Very eager to see what kind of set list they're going with.

To be spoiled or not to be spoiled.... I am seeing them on Wednesday, I think I could avoid spoilers until then, but man is it tough because there's a lot of potential for this setlist.

I imagine it’ll be similar to the track listing of the compilation. 

I do feel think this is most likely.  Although they said some songs would be re-worked and I wonder which ones will be and how they will change them up.  My first thought would be to add pipes or an extra guitar that Troy could play to be part of the live show since if it's old music, then I am not sure what he would be doing during the show.
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2018, 12:34:18 PM
I hope they don't just make a song like Nemo acoustic. I hope they get really creative with whatever they rework.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
I hope they don't just make a song like Nemo acoustic. I hope they get really creative with whatever they rework.

I hope Nemo isn't on the playlist at all.
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2018, 12:44:16 PM
I hope they don't just make a song like Nemo acoustic. I hope they get really creative with whatever they rework.

I hope Nemo isn't on the playlist at all.

I wouldn't complain about that.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 09, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
I thought the acoustic version of Nemo was spectacular on the Imaginaerum tour.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 09, 2018, 01:00:37 PM
I thought the acoustic version of Nemo was spectacular on the Imaginaerum tour.

Indeed, it was the best of two worlds, the compromise between keeping a staple in the set, and yet doing something different for a change.
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
I thought the acoustic version of Nemo was spectacular on the Imaginaerum tour.

It was nice. But it's been done, so that's why I hope they don't do it. They sold it as something new and inventive. So if they just do what they've already done, I'll be disappointed. Not that I matter in any of this.
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Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2018, 01:01:06 PM
I'm still on the fence on going to see this tour. I LOVE Nigthwish but we're moving soon and money is tight and I've seen them a few times already. BUT, if the setlist is amazing I'll be getting a ticket.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
I thought the acoustic version of Nemo was spectacular on the Imaginaerum tour.

It was nice. But it's been done, so that's why I hope they don't do it. They sold it as something new and inventive. So if they just do what they've already done, I'll be disappointed. Not that I matter in any of this.

Exactly.  I've seen it, so I want to see something else.  I really like the song so that's not the reason why I'd rather it not be in the set.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 09, 2018, 02:08:11 PM
I'll go if Beauty of the Beast is on the setlist - and if seats open up at the Toronto venue.  Otherwise, no way I'm paying the coin they are asking for.

Well, one hurdle is passed... the venue is now only asking $25 for available seats.  It was $110 a few weeks ago.  I'll wait another some more to see if better seats open up
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
Has anyone heard word about an opener or is this an evening with format?  I can't seem to find anything other than doors at 7 and show at 8pm for NYC. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 09, 2018, 02:13:31 PM
Has anyone heard word about an opener or is this an evening with format?  I can't seem to find anything other than doors at 7 and show at 8pm for NYC.

I gotta think that's 'Evening With' timing.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2018, 02:16:00 PM
Has anyone heard word about an opener or is this an evening with format?  I can't seem to find anything other than doors at 7 and show at 8pm for NYC.

I gotta think that's 'Evening With' timing.

Yea, I'm thinking that too, but you'd think theyd announce that though to get some more people interested in seeing a longer show.  I found a reddit thread speculating the same thing. 
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 09, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
Nightwish said on Facebook, ‘No openers....it is a long setlist’
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Nightwish said on Facebook, ‘No openers....it is a long setlist’

 :metal :metal
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 09, 2018, 09:59:49 PM
First setlist is up and it looks AMAZING!!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2018/tabernacle-atlanta-ga-2bef84ee.html
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2018, 10:02:00 PM
First setlist is up and it looks AMAZING!!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2018/tabernacle-atlanta-ga-2bef84ee.html

Aaaaaaand I'm pregnant.




Also, any word on opening acts?
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Post by: gazinwales on March 09, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
Wow that is a killer setlist and full of the not-the-same set songs as the band promised.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 09, 2018, 10:12:39 PM
First setlist is up and it looks AMAZING!!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nightwish/2018/tabernacle-atlanta-ga-2bef84ee.html

Aaaaaaand I'm pregnant.




Also, any word on opening acts?

It’s an evening with all tour long I believe.
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
Pregnant with twins!
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 10, 2018, 07:50:20 AM
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 10, 2018, 09:17:25 AM
You may want to small-font that to be kind to people who want to be spoiler-free.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 10, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
Thats pretty Damn amazing. Playing the one song I was hoping for too...Now I'm all excited for the Denver show.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 11, 2018, 07:01:13 AM
Wow. That's quite the set. I wasn't even considering seeing them on tour but since Chicago is Saturday...
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 11, 2018, 01:46:37 PM
Saw the show last night in Charlotte, and it was fantastic.  Floor, in particular, was fantastic. 
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Post by: Grappler on March 12, 2018, 07:45:52 AM
That setlist is amazing, and has me going back to listen to the Tarja-era albums again this week. 
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Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2018, 08:04:23 AM
I broke down and checked the setlist.  Really solid.  Can't wait till Wednesday.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 12, 2018, 08:51:34 AM
I broke down and checked the setlist.  Really solid.  Can't wait till Wednesday.

I just had to as well, at least you lasted. I gave up right away. I have to wait till April.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2018, 09:55:02 AM
Looks like they added another old song to the setlist last night  :metal
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Post by: the keyboard wizard on March 13, 2018, 11:06:11 AM
And what a song!!!
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Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2018, 01:48:56 PM
And it's been removed now so I guess it didn't happen, bummer. 
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Post by: cramx3 on March 15, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536)

I tweeted out this short video clip from last night, they dedicated a song to Stephen Hawking and it was timed really well with their backing video I thought  :metal
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Post by: Architeuthis on March 16, 2018, 01:03:34 AM
https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536)

I tweeted out this short video clip from last night, they dedicated a song to Stephen Hawking and it was timed really well with their backing video I thought  :metal
I didn't check the link, due to data restraints on my phone. I'm assuming it as "The Greatest Show on Earth".
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Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 01:20:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536)

I tweeted out this short video clip from last night, they dedicated a song to Stephen Hawking and it was timed really well with their backing video I thought  :metal

Sure it wasn’t dedicated to Sally Hawkins ?
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Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2018, 11:03:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/974376912075329536)

I tweeted out this short video clip from last night, they dedicated a song to Stephen Hawking and it was timed really well with their backing video I thought  :metal

Sure it wasn’t dedicated to Sally Hawkins ?

lol she does say Hawkins, Mr so that rules out Sally (unless I just assumed a gender)

Anyway, the concert was awesome.  If you are a fan of the older material, this is a must see show.  Floor easily stole the show with how well she sung the old material, but the addition of Troy made a huge difference too.  Also, this is the first time I've seen it (4th time seeing NW) that they brought a huge video screen on tour with them in the US.  Every song had a really cool animated video to go along with it, mostly of scenery that really kind of set the mood for the song.  I would say these videos were up there in terms of impact to the feel of the concert, maybe even better than DT's for TA tour.  This was also the largest crowd I've seen at the Playstation Theater. It wasn't sold out, but it was PACKED.  NW is definitely growing here and without any support, they were a big draw.  I must say though, I don't think the show was much longer than their previous tours.  It was around 2 hours long so kind of felt like a short concert, but their performance made that a moot point.  If you are on the ledge about seeing this, hopefully the below video puts you over.  I'm not sure how many times you'll get a chance to hear some of these deep cuts again and they perform them flawlessly.  A lot of people near me actually were talking about how they didn't even know most of the songs, yet were saying how good they were. 

Nightwish LIVE @ Playstation Theater New York City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hr8f89FRYk)
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Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2018, 11:25:34 AM
I wish I could say I am on the fence.  But I am a definite "no go" unless they add a date that is a lot closer. 
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Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
I wish I could say I am on the fence.  But I am a definite "no go" unless they add a date that is a lot closer.

Why? This is the most exciting tour I've seen Nightwish do. Then again, I really love the older material.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2018, 12:32:33 PM
I'm not "in love" with them enough to travel so far and spend such a commensurate amount of time and money to see them, good set list or not.  They are definitely one of those bands where it has to be convenient for me to see them.  And as far as locales that are reasonably close, this is about as far away as conceivably possible within my geographic region.  It would somewhat be the equivalent of if you lived in Castaic and a band you moderately liked were playing in the very southernmost part of San Diego.
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Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 12:34:53 PM
I'm not "in love" with them enough to travel so far and spend such a commensurate amount of time and money to see them, good set list or not.  They are definitely one of those bands where it has to be convenient for me to see them.  And as far as locales that are reasonably close, this is about as far away as conceivably possible within my geographic region.  It would somewhat be the equivalent of if you lived in Castaic and a band you moderately liked were playing in the very southernmost part of San Diego.

I have no idea about Cali geography haha. They're playing about 45 minutes-an hour away from me. I dunno. I think. Like I said, I suck at that part of things.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2018, 12:36:02 PM
I'm not "in love" with them enough to travel so far and spend such a commensurate amount of time and money to see them, good set list or not.  They are definitely one of those bands where it has to be convenient for me to see them.  And as far as locales that are reasonably close, this is about as far away as conceivably possible within my geographic region.  It would somewhat be the equivalent of if you lived in Castaic and a band you moderately liked were playing in the very southernmost part of San Diego.

I have no idea about Cali geography haha. They're playing about 45 minutes-an hour away from me. I dunno. I think. Like I said, I suck at that part of things.

I thought you lived in L.A. now.  ???
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Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 12:42:32 PM
I do. I know my specific little area and where LA proper is. Beyond that, no clue. I know San Diego is south of me and San Fran is north. Beyond that? Got nothing.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2018, 01:06:36 PM
Castaic is at the upper most part of highway 5 before you go over the mountains and get into the central valley and just above where 405 begins.  So think about driving the longest possible stretch of 405.
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Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 01:08:46 PM
Googled it. Yea, I can see not wanting to make that trip.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2018, 01:30:03 PM
Yea, if you aren't into a band that much, it makes no sense to make such a trek.  I've been debating about making the drive down to Philly (90 minute drive) to see them again tonight, but I am dead tired and my wallet has taken a hit with Boston, Cape May, and NYC all in the last 3 weeks.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 23, 2018, 12:42:10 PM
Meanwhile, in Tuomaslandia...

The Auri album is out.

https://open.spotify.com/album/0o2QsorF02wotD0EP4hli3
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Post by: Anguyen92 on March 25, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
All right, so I'm listening their Decades compilation album and it's good so far.  The thing is I need a little more convincing before spending about $80 fees including for a ticket for their show in Anaheim (and that's for the far back sections).  Will they have great stage production values?  Will the sound be nice, loud, and clear?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 25, 2018, 11:44:51 PM
 I wouldn't worry about production valleus or sound quality. They put on an amazing show and the one show I managed to catch last tour had amazingly good sound.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2018, 08:40:34 AM
All right, so I'm listening their Decades compilation album and it's good so far.  The thing is I need a little more convincing before spending about $80 fees including for a ticket for their show in Anaheim (and that's for the far back sections).  Will they have great stage production values?  Will the sound be nice, loud, and clear?

Sound and production were top notch this tour for NYC.  Obviously sound could change between venues, but NW always sounded good from the 4 total shows I've seen.  If interested, check out my video for their stage production this tour.  Obviously you would be spoiled so up to you, but the show is worth it if you like the older songs.
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Post by: efxf on March 26, 2018, 12:58:25 PM
They were great in Pittsburgh!  My 2nd time seeing them...

Dead Boy's Poem - https://youtu.be/8hhari-rWo4
The Carpenter - https://youtu.be/ynkBkchyUJU
Devil & the Deep Dark Ocean - https://youtu.be/Bfach85xccw
Ghost Love Score - https://youtu.be/oAF_fyY8xu4

-Stef
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Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2018, 01:04:31 PM
They were great in Pittsburgh!  My 2nd time seeing them...

Dead Boy's Poem - https://youtu.be/8hhari-rWo4
The Carpenter - https://youtu.be/ynkBkchyUJU
Devil & the Deep Dark Ocean - https://youtu.be/Bfach85xccw
Ghost Love Score - https://youtu.be/oAF_fyY8xu4

-Stef

Nice, you got the better version of my camera... works really well for concerts
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Post by: Adami on March 26, 2018, 01:49:14 PM
So for those people who have seen.....


....did they really "rework" and "reimagine" some songs?

I get that they added Troy to everything, but was anything else actually changed much?
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Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
So for those people who have seen.....


....did they really "rework" and "reimagine" some songs?

I get that they added Troy to everything, but was anything else actually changed much?

I think it was just adding Troy.  Like his pipes might replace a lead keyboard part or something (Sacrament of Wilderness).  He added his guitar and vocals as well.  I am not sure if any songs were actually changed though in that the song was reworked in anyway.  Same with adding Marco to some of the older songs.  He sung/spoke the male parts in The Kinslayer for example, but it didn't really change the song in any way.
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Post by: Adami on March 26, 2018, 01:58:23 PM
Ah well, missed opportunity.


Still pumped to see them.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 01, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
AMAZING SHOW in Chicago last night....everything was spot on - sound was crisp, band was tight, everyone gave a flawless performance and the visuals were excellent!

The setlist is outstanding, although if I had the chance, I'd make a change or 2, such as adding in something from DPP (since it was the only album not represented) but it's a small problem. Great show overall!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 01, 2018, 11:40:55 AM
Glad you enjoyed the show. I'm hoping to get to the Portland show next Sunday, the people I was supposed to go with are backing out. It's a 4 hr drive from where I live in Wa state. I'm strapped financially and I don't even know if the show is sold out or not. I really don't want to miss out on this..
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 01, 2018, 03:25:39 PM
So excited for Denver on Tuesday. Man this came by so quick.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 01, 2018, 09:09:56 PM
Glad you enjoyed the show. I'm hoping to get to the Portland show next Sunday, the people I was supposed to go with are backing out. It's a 4 hr drive from where I live in Wa state. I'm strapped financially and I don't even know if the show is sold out or not. I really don't want to miss out on this..

Do anything you can to make it....it’s a beautiful show!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 09, 2018, 12:09:12 PM
Just saw them in Portland Oregon last night at a packed out smaller venue, and WHAT A SHOW!!!  The crowd was very enthusiastic as the band went through their own time machine.  Great set list going from past to present.  This was my first time seeing them live, and it was as good as any band I've seen. They have a good chemistry on stage and seem to be having a great time. I really look forward to hearing their next studio album with Floor on vocals.
 My only minor complaint was the introductory music to the show overstayed its welcome. I mean what was with the low frequency rumbling that caused about half the audience to put in earplugs and the other half to clear their bowels??? Lol!  It was easily over 2-3 times as loud as the whole concert.  :omg:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 21, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
Been listening to the Decades album alot. I'm really enjoying their older stuff I've never heard before, being that I'm working my way backwards through their catalog. Alot of great songs from the Tarja era such as Slaying the Dreamer, End of all Hope, 10th man down, Gethsemane, and many more.
 I think the song Dead Boys Poem could be one of the best songs in the Tarja era if it wasn't for the little boy talking in parts of it, wasn't necessary at all.. It does have a Space-dyed-vest feel to it though.
 Now I'm wondering what the best albums from that era are. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dave_Manchester on April 21, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
^^ My personal favourite from the Tarja era is Wishmaster, although they're all great (the debut is slightly weaker than the rest, but still has some good songs). Century Child is also a great album and has one of their best songs (Beauty of the Beast). Once is a classic, and I think many fans' vote for their masterpiece to date. Ghost Love Score is as good as that style of music gets.

I'd say it's worth picking up all their albums. They're all varying degrees of fantastic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 21, 2018, 03:07:03 PM
Aweome thanks!  I'll check them all out.  Floor is my favorite singer of the three, but Tarja is pretty amazing in her own way.  :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
^^ My personal favourite from the Tarja era is Wishmaster, although they're all great (the debut is slightly weaker than the rest, but still has some good songs). Century Child is also a great album and has one of their best songs (Beauty of the Beast). Once is a classic, and I think many fans' vote for their masterpiece to date. Ghost Love Score is as good as that style of music gets.

I'd say it's worth picking up all their albums. They're all varying degrees of fantastic.

Pretty much exactly this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2018, 05:10:18 PM
Century Child is my favorite from the Tarja era.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dave_Manchester on April 21, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
Aweome thanks!  I'll check them all out.  Floor is my favorite singer of the three, but Tarja is pretty amazing in her own way.  :tup

If you haven't seen them already, look up Floor's live performances of Ghost Love Score (there are several on Youtube). They are spine-chilling, especially towards the end.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 21, 2018, 05:56:00 PM
Aweome thanks!  I'll check them all out.  Floor is my favorite singer of the three, but Tarja is pretty amazing in her own way.  :tup

If you haven't seen them already, look up Floor's live performances of Ghost Love Score (there are several on Youtube). They are spine-chilling, especially towards the end.

I'm so glad I got to witness that live. I had a great view. Right behind the soundman, dead center, venue didn't bother selling the two rows in front of me so no tall people. It was the best ever.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 21, 2018, 10:30:00 PM
Aweome thanks!  I'll check them all out.  Floor is my favorite singer of the three, but Tarja is pretty amazing in her own way.  :tup

If you haven't seen them already, look up Floor's live performances of Ghost Love Score (there are several on Youtube). They are spine-chilling, especially towards the end.
I just saw her do it at the Portland Oregon Show almost two weeks ago. She was amazing and they closed with Ghost Love Score..  I also seen both of the Vehicle of Spirit dvd's and she does it especially well on the Tampere show.. 😎🎵
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 05, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
I just realized since I haven't been paying too much attention to the tour since it came to my area, that they have since added two songs to the setlist, Amaranth and Deep Silent Complete!  WTF I so would have loooovvveed to see Deep Silent Complete.  What an awesome addition to an already awesome set and Amaranth is cool because that was from the one album that wasn't represented on the set.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 11, 2018, 06:24:17 AM
The Ex-Nightwish singer Tour should maybe be a ting?  :lol

Tarja Turonen - Live @ Sweden Rock festival Norje Sweden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUuSnovG4hA)
THE DARK ELEMENT The Ghost and the Reaper, Sweden Rock Festival 2018 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQqfBo8uoQ8)

Anyway, nice too hear The Dark Element songs in a live setting. I still that album alot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 11, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
The Ex-Nightwish singer Tour should maybe be a ting?  :lol

Tarja Turonen - Live @ Sweden Rock festival Norje Sweden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUuSnovG4hA)
THE DARK ELEMENT The Ghost and the Reaper, Sweden Rock Festival 2018 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQqfBo8uoQ8)

Anyway, nice too hear The Dark Element songs in a live setting. I still that album alot.

I was wondering if any video would surface from their show.  I wish there was more, they sound good and I still really like the album.  Actually would make for a good tour putting those two together.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on June 11, 2018, 04:55:13 PM
Yeah The Dark Element is a great album, I like it better than the last Nightwish, and it craps all over the last Tarja heavy album.
Live drummer looks like Baard Kolstad from Stratovarius.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on June 11, 2018, 05:21:57 PM
Yeah The Dark Element is a great album, I like it better than the last Nightwish, and it craps all over the last Tarja heavy album.
Live drummer looks like Baard Kolstad from Stratovarius.

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Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on June 11, 2018, 07:41:15 PM
Oops I meant from Borknagar and of course many other bands.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on June 14, 2018, 10:01:57 AM
Just saw they have a show in Ziggodome here in November. Really curious how well that concert will be attended, because it has a max capacity of 17000. Anyways, it is high on my list of concerts to attend because it is awesome that a band in this genre plays in a concert hall that houses a lot of the biggest artists. In other EU countries they have been playing headline shows in front of comparible crowds (and offcourse much larger in Finland), but to have them book such a big venue over here is awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2018, 10:07:36 AM
Just saw they have a show in Ziggodome here in November. Really curious how well that concert will be attended, because it has a max capacity of 17000. Anyways, it is high on my list of concerts to attend because it is awesome that a band in this genre plays in a concert hall that houses a lot of the biggest artists. In other EU countries they have been playing headline shows in front of comparible crowds (and offcourse much larger in Finland), but to have them book such a big venue over here is awesome.

That's right near where I work if I were to go to Amsterdam, going in August, but maybe need to find a way to get sent back in November.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:55 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tuomas-holopainen-has-written-about-80-or-90-percent-of-the-material-for-next-nightwish-album/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tuomas-holopainen-has-written-about-80-or-90-percent-of-the-material-for-next-nightwish-album/)

The part that interested me most in this article however is:

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Holopainen went on to say that NIGHTWISH will professionally film and record one of the shows on the group's current tour in support of its recently released "Decades" compilation for a possible DVD release. He explained: "The majority of these songs that we are doing on this tour are never gonna be played again, I think, so it's a good idea to immortalize them."

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on July 20, 2018, 10:25:45 AM
Sweet!   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on July 20, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
I think that's a good idea. Cool beans.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2018, 07:03:15 AM
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In other news related to NW...

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/)

This sounds like it could be awesome.  This guy is an AMAZING guitarist and Floor is obviously an amazing Singer. 
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Stepping free from boundaries, NORTHWARD's sound is strong, euphoric and straight in the tradition of SKUNK ANANSIE, FOO FIGHTERS and ALTER BRIDGE but also bands such as DEEP PURPLE and LED ZEPPELIN.

New single out from Northward and I must say I am loving it.  Good hard rock n roll.  Awesome pairing of singer and guitarist.

NORTHWARD - While Love Died (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAiPeSsqD-4)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on August 24, 2018, 07:09:55 AM
Honestly, that song didn't do much more me. I'll probably check out some of the other tracks but we'll see.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 24, 2018, 08:01:34 AM
I like the Northward track.  I'll listen to the album when it comes out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on August 24, 2018, 08:09:22 AM
Getting a strong Foo Fighters "Pretender" vibe in that chorus... didn't leave me thinking much of it though. Floor sounds good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on August 24, 2018, 08:17:02 AM
That's a great song, and it's fun to hear her sing on something that isn't symphonic metal for a change.  Can't wait for the album! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2018, 09:07:35 AM
That's a great song, and it's fun to hear her sing on something that isn't symphonic metal for a change.  Can't wait for the album!

Yea, kind of refreshing to hear these two outside of what they are known for.  They both sound great.  The song is simply a fun rocker IMO.  Nothing inventive or progressive or symphonic.  That's fine since that's what they said it would be, including sounding like Foo Figthers, who I've never really got into so I didn't pick up the exact sounding like them, but I can see it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 24, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
Pretty neat to hear Floor sing a different style. It reminds me of another female rock band, can't remember whom though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 24, 2018, 10:07:14 AM
Pretty neat to hear Floor sing a different style. It reminds me of another female rock band, can't remember whom though.

Honestly, I would think the style of While Love Died had is where Halestorm should be at, at this moment, rather than the first half of their latest album, Vicious, having such juvenile lyrics, imo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Samsara on August 24, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28336841_10160079792905068_7641027967036783865_o.jpg?oh=3dcbc8fe7f813be70c88b55c10362c5d&oe=5B4A730B)
In other news related to NW...

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singer-and-pagans-mind-guitarist-join-forces-in-northward/)

This sounds like it could be awesome.  This guy is an AMAZING guitarist and Floor is obviously an amazing Singer. 
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Stepping free from boundaries, NORTHWARD's sound is strong, euphoric and straight in the tradition of SKUNK ANANSIE, FOO FIGHTERS and ALTER BRIDGE but also bands such as DEEP PURPLE and LED ZEPPELIN.

New single out from Northward and I must say I am loving it.  Good hard rock n roll.  Awesome pairing of singer and guitarist.

NORTHWARD - While Love Died (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAiPeSsqD-4)

I really like it. Floor is just a fantastic singer. And that guitar player has a nice style. DIg big time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on August 24, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Might be an ignorant question but where's the rest of the band?
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Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
Might be an ignorant question but where's the rest of the band?

I don't think it's ignorant.  They don't show them in the video, but from the old link I had initially shared back when this was announced, the recording band is:

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Alongside Jansen and Lofstad, Morty Black (TNT) handled bass duties, while drums were recorded by Django Nilsen and Stian Kristoffersen (PAGAN'S MIND). You will also hear a guest appearance by Floor's sister Irene Jansen, singing a duet on the song "Drifting Islands". And finally, Ronny Tegner from PAGAN'S MIND played the piano on one song.

So it seems it's pretty much Pagan's Mind with Floor on vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on August 24, 2018, 10:16:26 AM
Awesome. :2metal:
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Post by: bosk1 on August 24, 2018, 10:42:35 AM
Good stuff.  I haven't really heard much in the straight-ahead hard rock category that has interested me in a long while.  Floor sounds great on this.
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Post by: Adami on August 24, 2018, 11:49:30 AM
Really dug it. Love those two people. Will definitely get this when it comes out.
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Post by: ErHaO on August 24, 2018, 01:34:57 PM
That sounds great indeed! Looking forward to the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on August 30, 2018, 07:06:16 AM
Sorry for the very specific question, but I want to kill two birds with a stone.

On one hand, I'm a big fan (and with my favorite bands, I'd consider myself an extremist in this sense  :lol ) of surprises at shows, so I don't want at all to know the setlist for the current tour.

On the other hand, since I know they're playing rare material, I want to more or less figure out which albums I should go back more.

I know it's annoying but my question is: is the Decades compilation ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decades_(Nightwish_album) ) the template for the setlist or not? I mean, the compilation spans two discs and obviously they can't play ALL those songs, but are the songs that made the setlist all on the compilation, or they're playing stuff that is not present there? I'm asking especially for early stuff like Oceanborn and the debut, I haven't heard them in forever.

Thanks for the vague replies  ;D
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 30, 2018, 07:10:14 AM
Hmm....I don't want to give the set away. So I won't answer your question. When is your show? I'd rather you be surprised and enjoy the show. Then you'll see if the decades disc is the template.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on August 30, 2018, 07:36:32 AM
It's one of the very last ones, 4th December in Milan.

I agree that I don't want to know the set, I was just looking for vague hints such as "mh, forget the last part of the second disc and listen to Oceanborn and Century Child in full, just to be prepared", stuff like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 07:40:37 AM
the compilation is a good idea of the setlist
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on August 30, 2018, 07:41:03 AM
the compilation is a good idea of the setlist

Ok, thanks!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 20, 2018, 10:44:24 PM
The Northward album dropped this week and it is awesome. I love hearing Floor singing in this style. She sounds like she is having fun and it comes through. Listened to the whole thing twice today and I already want to listen again. Highly recommended.

Of course, I would pay to hear Floor sing the phone book. Regardless, pick this thing up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
I plan on getting it this week, really was looking forward to it.  Loved the singles.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 22, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
I was expecting something heavier, given the last Pagan's Mind album that came out so many years ago, but this is a really refreshing disc.  Floor does sound very happy and she's singing in a lot of ways that she doesn't really get to do in Nightwish or her other symphonic metal bands of the past.

Definitely a great record!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2018, 11:54:44 AM
Downloaded it but haven't heard it beyond the singles.

I am just hoping for some good fun rock. Nothing too much like their other stuff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 22, 2018, 12:32:17 PM
I was expecting something heavier, given the last Pagan's Mind album that came out so many years ago, but this is a really refreshing disc.  Floor does sound very happy and she's singing in a lot of ways that she doesn't really get to do in Nightwish or her other symphonic metal bands of the past.

Definitely a great record!

Bolded the key there. I was going to put almost that exact same thing in my post but didn't. She has so much range and it was really nice to hear her on this. This is her 'fun' record.

I ordered the cd from Amazon last week for $10 without hearing a single note. Floor was good enough for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 24, 2018, 09:25:11 PM
Heard a couple songs, nothing that blew my socks off. Will give anything with Floor a solid listen, but so far this isn't worth a purchase.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2018, 09:45:20 AM
I went on a spree and got Northward's album this morning along with Haken, Leprous, and Amaranthe.  I've got a lot of music to listen to and while I enjoyed the Northward's singles, I'm not as quick to get into the album just because that Haken/Leprous show is next week so I'm focusing on them. 

In actual Nightwish news

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwishs-end-of-an-era-to-be-re-released-in-december/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwishs-end-of-an-era-to-be-re-released-in-december/)

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On December 7, "End Of An Era" will be re-released as 3LP and Earbook formats including Blu-ray, 2CD and 3LP.

Kind of interesting they are doing this re-release since I would have felt the band wouldn't want to revist that time period, but a blu-ray version of this concert is really tempting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2018, 09:50:10 AM
It's a great album.  But I would not repurchase it just to get it on BR.  The DVD is fine.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 26, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
I have the DVD, and my only complaint is that it's in 4:3 and not widescreen.  But I already own the CD's too, so I'm not going to re-buy it just to get a widescreen blu ray of the show. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
I'd upgrade if they sold it just as a blu-ray, but with the LP and CDs, which I have no use for, would likely make the price not worth it just for the upgrade.  But if they sold it at $15 bucks for the blu-ray like some new concerts are priced at, I would buy it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2018, 10:23:01 AM
Oh, wow.  The original is 4:3?  I forgot about that.  It's been a long time since I've watched it I guess.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 26, 2018, 10:28:07 AM
Oh, wow.  The original is 4:3?  I forgot about that.  It's been a long time since I've watched it I guess.  :lol

I think I'm wrong actually - there are some widescreen videos on youtube.  I have some older concert DVD's that are 4:3 that I watched recently so I may be confusing them.   I do remember that the last time I watched End of an Era that I felt that the picture was really grainy compared to more recent live dvd's. 

Either way - I have the DVD and have no interest in upgrading.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2018, 10:47:07 AM
Well, now that you mention it and having me thinking back, I haven't watched it since I upgraded from a 4:3 tv!  So it's quite possible.  I don't recall offhand whether there were two different DVD versions depending on which aspect ratio you wanted to buy (like movie DVDs used to be), or if you could select which on the DVD. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2018, 11:15:30 AM
It's not 4:3, if I remember its widescreen but at a lower resolution like you will see black panels along the top and bottom and also left and right (if I remember correctly, their from wishes to eternity DVD also was like this). I remember I had to adjust to stretch the picture to make it look proper widescreen and that would make it grainier than it already was.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 26, 2018, 12:02:36 PM
Yea, it's a fine DVD. But as much as I loved Tarja on the records, I wasn't a big fan of her live. Her voice just seemed a bit too...uncontrolled and her vowels annoyed me. So I'm fine with the DVD, no need for a blu ray.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 26, 2018, 02:25:57 PM
I borrowed/rented End of an Era a long, long time ago. I do not remember much about it, but do recall there was something about the visual presentation I did not care for. Not sure if it was lighting, editing, cinematography, or what.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 26, 2018, 05:07:11 PM
One of my fave concert DVDs.  I might entertain buying it to get a BR quality video.

Still stayin classy though... their PR includes a sentence from the firing letter.  Fuck why can't Tuomas just drop it?  It's like he has to throw out a little jab every few years to stoke those fires.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 26, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
One of my fave concert DVDs.  I might entertain buying it to get a BR quality video.

Still stayin classy though... their PR includes a sentence from the firing letter.  Fuck why can't Tuomas just drop it?  It's like he has to throw out a little jab every few years to stoke those fires.

SHE BROKE THE MAN'S HEART!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 26, 2018, 06:48:10 PM
One of my fave concert DVDs.  I might entertain buying it to get a BR quality video.

Still stayin classy though... their PR includes a sentence from the firing letter.  Fuck why can't Tuomas just drop it?  It's like he has to throw out a little jab every few years to stoke those fires.

SHE BROKE THE MAN'S HEART!

Was there an affair going on?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 26, 2018, 06:52:07 PM
One of my fave concert DVDs.  I might entertain buying it to get a BR quality video.

Still stayin classy though... their PR includes a sentence from the firing letter.  Fuck why can't Tuomas just drop it?  It's like he has to throw out a little jab every few years to stoke those fires.

SHE BROKE THE MAN'S HEART!

Was there an affair going on?

Probably not. I was mostly just kidding, but some people think he was in love with her and then she got married and changed.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 26, 2018, 08:35:36 PM
One of my fave concert DVDs.  I might entertain buying it to get a BR quality video.

Still stayin classy though... their PR includes a sentence from the firing letter.  Fuck why can't Tuomas just drop it?  It's like he has to throw out a little jab every few years to stoke those fires.

SHE BROKE THE MAN'S HEART!

I picture Tuomas like this...

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Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 05, 2018, 02:00:05 AM
Soooo... it was finally my turn to see Nightwish, this is like the penultimate date of the tour so I guess spoilers don't really apply.

OH MY GOD WHAT A SHOW!!!  :metal

Kickass all the way through and, friggin finally, my first time with Floor! yep, they came three times during the EFMB tour: first time it was my birthday but in another town and on a sunday, and I couldn't take the monday off; second time in the middle of a week in Rome (I'm in Milan) and the third time in yet another distant town when I was coming back from my holidays. Geez. Nightwish' tour manager hates me.

This time around I could not miss it! I only saw Floor once, with After Forever back in Wacken 2004. And it was my fourth Nightwish show, one with Tarja and two with Annette.

Beast in Black were the openers and I'm ashamed to admit I loved them  ;D they're like the McDonald of heavy metal, cheap and not certainly high level stuff, but hey, it's so tasty... hehe some times you need some cheese in the music as well.

Nightwish' show was impressive, with a giant screen that showed all the different animations for the songs. They started off with a Troy solo, and I was like "Oh cool, they set up some atmospheric intro to ease us into the s"WHLAM!!! HUGE FIRES WITH THE HEAT WAVE CLEARLY FELT! RED LIGHTS! DARK CHEST OF WONDERS!!! Holy friggin'fruck, they spared no expenses with the pyro! the initial one-two punch of Dark Chest of Wonders and Wish I Had an Angel was massive, I felt Floor was a bit held back at the beginning but then her awesomeness came through and she commandered the stage massively.

During Come Cover Me Marco sang the chorus in a duet and also the final slow bit, and I was like "geez, shut up, let her sing"!  :lol she was so good that more than once I stared at the screens to see her better. Her stage presence, the way she moves and headbangs, her flawless performance.... is it just concert euphoria if I say that she's the best Nightwish singer and more generally one of the very, very best female singers of the scene period?

Setlist was glorious, I didn't know anything but by bits and pieces here and there I deluded myself into thinking that Beauty and the Beast would have been played.... it wasn't. I got Dead Boy's Poem instead which has always left me meh, but Floor made me like it. I didn't really like Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean but still the setlist was great, I'm glad I heard Oceanborn a lot lately and it was an excellent balance of classics and less played songs.

When they played The Greatest Show on Earth I was 100% sure it was the final song, and when the lights didn't come back, I thought that Wishmaster was next, after all it was the only song missing.... but no. They closed with GHOST LOVE SCORE!!! Impressive and I never saw it coming!

Really, an awesome show. I only talk about Floor because well, she's the singer and anyway not being a musician my focus is only on the one with the microphone, but the band was the usual tight and well prepared one, the pyro work was impressive (they gave Iron Maiden a run for their money when it comes to Number of the Beast fire show) and the screen backgrounds were nice and evocative. Really, I absolutely got my money's worth and I look forward to the next album and tour!  :metal
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Post by: The Curious Orange on December 05, 2018, 03:26:39 AM
I'm seeing them at Wembley on Saturday - I cannot wait!!

I saw them on the EFMB tour in 2015 (was it that long ago?) and yes, Floor is fantastic, easily the best singer NW have had. She's a true star and I hope they manage to hand on to this one! Looking forward to seeing how she manages with a Tarja-era-heavy setlist.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: Grappler on December 05, 2018, 07:11:15 AM
is it just concert euphoria if I say that she's the best Nightwish singer and more generally one of the very, very best female singers of the scene period?

I felt the same way after seeing Floor sing.  I saw her with Revamp, not long after she became the official singer in Nightwish and was just a few feet away from her in the second or third row that night.  Then I saw Nightwish on the EMFB tour in the US and was in awe at how easy she makes it look.  You just can't take your eyes off of her.  I stood way in the back of the venue, but had a decent view of the stage for the night.

Glad you had fun - I wish I could have seen this Decades tour, but life gets in the way sometimes. 
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Post by: ErHaO on December 05, 2018, 07:35:15 AM
Yeah, in metal Floor is my favourite female singer by a good margin. Very versatile in styles, distinctive voice, and she has an excellent stage presence. Super glad she found succes with Nightwish.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2018, 07:36:32 AM
oh yea they are so good live, it's funny how you are seeing them in such big venues yet here in the states they are still playing theaters and ballrooms. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 05, 2018, 07:38:51 AM
Glad you had fun - I wish I could have seen this Decades tour, but life gets in the way sometimes.

You'll be able to console yourself with the DVD, they announced they wanted to immortalize this tour!

oh yea they are so good live, it's funny how you are seeing them in such big venues yet here in the states they are still playing theaters and ballrooms.

They play the same big arena of Dream Theater and Iron Maiden. Granted, Maiden sell it out in few days and yesterday there was quite some space in the seats and in the back of the parterre, but still it was a mostly full house.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2018, 07:42:46 AM
Dream Theater and Nightwish play similar venues here, but Iron Maiden play the big arenas.  I saw Nightwish recently played Ziggo Dome in Amsterdam, I saw Justin Timberlake there over the summer on a work trip and that place is huge, like meant for those big acts.  I was thinking how crazy it would be to see Nightwish with that many fans. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 05, 2018, 07:47:37 AM
The problem here in Milan is that we don't really have that many venues, at least for indoor concerts, and so there are few venues that host them all. Iron Maiden play open air festivals in summer, if they're indoor, they use the same sports palace that Dream Theater always play.

Then we have a big venue in the middle of the city, Avantasia and Blind Guardian play there, a slightly smaller one not too far from Milan where I saw Edguy and an indoor festival with Hammerfall as headliners, and then it's just small clubs for local or minor bands. So the big players, if they play indoor in Milan, all share the same arena, for whatever reason they never give the stadium to Metallica or Iron Maiden.
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Post by: Evermind on December 05, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Funny how that works here, Iron Maiden plays at a stadium where all the big bands play, like Scorpions or Deep Purple or Metallica, and the ticket prices are quite exorbitant (twice of what I paid for bands like Avantasia or Helloween on this reunion tour). Nightwish isn't quite big enough for that here, so they played a nice concert hall last time, which I think houses 6-7k people, yet the ticket prices were the same as they were for Maiden. I paid, and would pay again if they come here next time, and yet it bugs me a little.

I guess I just like seeing bands in smaller venues these days.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2018, 09:46:30 AM
6-7k is still much more than the US, seems they play around 1.5 - 2.5k theaters.  This tour they played the Playstation Theater in NYC which holds 2.1k and had the full curtains and seating open in the back, it looked pretty packed but not sold out.  I'm guessing it was close to 2k full which is really good for this type of music here. 

The tour before I saw them in a smaller theater in Connecticut, sold out but only holds 1.2k people.  I'm starting to think that may end up being my most intimate show with them as they are just getting so popular.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on December 05, 2018, 09:52:20 AM
Funny how that works here, Iron Maiden plays at a stadium where all the big bands play, like Scorpions or Deep Purple or Metallica, and the ticket prices are quite exorbitant (twice of what I paid for bands like Avantasia or Helloween on this reunion tour). Nightwish isn't quite big enough for that here, so they played a nice concert hall last time, which I think houses 6-7k people, yet the ticket prices were the same as they were for Maiden. I paid, and would pay again if they come here next time, and yet it bugs me a little.

I guess I just like seeing bands in smaller venues these days.

It's basically the case here in Los Angeles as well.  I saw the ticket prices for Nightwish for their show in Anaheim for around $70-80 and the place holds around 2,000 people or so.  The pricing for DT's two shows in LA is relatively the same price range as Nightwish for the GA seats.  I opted to pass on Nightwish because, at the time, if I'm paying $25 per show to see bands like Big Wreck and Myles Kennedy, acts that I like more than Nightwish, I feel like I'm not going to get a much enjoyment for the amount I'm spending, and that's knowing Nightwish can deliver a great show. 

For Iron Maiden, they are playing at the soccer stadium (around 22k people capacity) that is next to USC and I'm paying $70.00 for a seat at the far back in the 200 section (but at least, my viewpoint would be dead set on center stage).  I paid because it's Maiden and my thought process when it comes to spending can be inconsistent and I can be an idiot like that.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 08, 2018, 04:02:02 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tuomas-holopainen-on-why-nightwish-took-a-year-off-the-passion-just-wasnt-there/

Quote
On the status of drummer Jukka Nevalainen, who stepped down from the band in 2014 due to chronic insomnia:

Tuomas: "He's still very much involved with the band. He's the CEO of our company. We are in contact constantly, but when it comes to his future as a drummer, some decisions have to be made at some point next year — but more about that later. He's feeling much better, and that's the most important thing."
Got damn Kai Hahto is awesome but I want him back in Wintersun. I think it would be awesome to see Jukka back at the drums, that would be quite the comeback for him but we'll see.
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Post by: Darkstarshades on December 08, 2018, 04:09:48 PM
In Mexico the ticket prices were also very high, significantly higher than for Dream Theater or even Mago de Oz, which is a band that has way more following here than Nightwish.
The prices, at least from what I saw, were higher than the Endless forms tour
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Post by: Evermind on December 08, 2018, 04:20:26 PM
The prices, at least from what I saw, were higher than the Endless forms tour

Holy shit, that makes me somewhat glad they didn't come here then. :lol As long as people are prepared to pay though. I don't see the prices going down.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2018, 04:25:46 PM
Yea their cost in NYC wasn't cheap and especially for only one band.  I had paid about the same or slightly less the years before and got Delain and Sonata Artico or Sabaton as openers.  Pretty solid line up to complain about the price, but for one band, it's a bit much but they are one of my favorites so I will pay it.  And they slay live so there's that. 

As for Jukka, I kind of assumed he wouldn't return.  Maybe for a one of show or something, but it seems like he's not healthy enough to tour and that it's probably best for both parties to move on from a drummer perspective.  The fact Toumas says a decision needs to be made makes me wonder about Kai and if he's under contract and they will need to figure out if he stays or they need to find a permanent replacement.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 09, 2018, 04:45:40 AM
Prices for the last show they did here in Toronto were outrageous - over $100.  They were playing a very historic theater that holds just around 2000.  First time they'd jumped up to a real theater, from playing standing-only "bars" that have a 600-900 person capacity (or smaller).  Not sure why they thought they could double their prices at the same time.  I didn't end up going, and have no idea how well it was attended.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 09, 2018, 12:10:48 PM
The price here I'd say it was justified, for a big band with a full production with screens and an insane amount of pyros and fires. Cheaper than Iron Maiden and other giants (I assume Slayer's farewell tour costed more), but more costly than anyone else.

About Jukka, gut feeling is that he won't be back, if he feels good and changes his mind, all for the better.
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Post by: Architeuthis on December 09, 2018, 12:38:25 PM
I really like Kai's drumming!  I think he plays a bit tighter and puts more of a energetic feel to Nightwish's live shows. He's a monster on the kit!  :metal
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Post by: ErHaO on December 09, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
I really like Kai. Seeing Jukka return would also be cool, but at least the guy has an active position in the band and is doing well now.

Dream Theater and Nightwish play similar venues here, but Iron Maiden play the big arenas.  I saw Nightwish recently played Ziggo Dome in Amsterdam, I saw Justin Timberlake there over the summer on a work trip and that place is huge, like meant for those big acts.  I was thinking how crazy it would be to see Nightwish with that many fans.

Yeah, couldn't make that concert unfortunately, but Nightwish is most definitely a big band in some EU countries, like the UK, Germany, and offcourse Finland.

Last time I saw them in the Netherlands, they sold out AFAS live twice (which houses 6000 people, so 12000 tickets sold). Ziggodome houses 17000 people. Looking at the list of recent EU venues they played, most of them are in the 12000 plus range.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on December 10, 2018, 02:45:09 AM
Absolutely stunning show at Wembley on Saturday night. This was Nightwish reclaiming their back catalogue and finally laying the ghost of Tarja to rest. Floor didn't just sing those songs perfectly, she blasted them out much better than old whotserface ever did!
If the South American shows they captured on film are even half as good, that's going to be one hell of a DVD!
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2018, 03:42:44 AM
I agree that Floor is awesome  :metal

I consider Imaginaerum my favorite Nightwish album, and I never had issues with Annette and I liked the two shows I've seen with her, but having just seen Floor and then looking back to YouTube videos with Annette, well..... it's day and night basically.

Also, one thing that I find cute, is that during I Want My Tears Back when there's the uillean pipes solo she just can't seem to shut up and continues to incite the audience to dance and jump along as she does herself on stage. Of course it's her "job" to pump up the audience but I like to think that she's so caught up with that irresistible song that she can't help herself to act just like a random fan  :D
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Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2018, 08:02:47 AM
^ she always does look to like legit being having fun at that part, I always love that when bands are smiling and looking like they are enjoying just as much as we are.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on December 17, 2018, 06:48:20 AM
I generally hate reaction videos, but this one was fantastic.  A vocal coach watches Floor singing Ghost Love Score and comments on her technique.  She's able to almost instantly replicate what Floor does in some parts.  Watching her reaction to Floor nailing the ending of the song was pretty fun - we know it's coming, but she has no clue what hit her at that big monster high note.   :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r68y-IoMGtk
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 17, 2018, 07:08:01 AM
I don't know if there's any other blatant case of a new singer coming in and totally OWNING a previous song. Sure, all the original / classic singers have their trademark song and when another sings them it's just ugh, but is there at this high level another case of a newcome singer making a classic song their own? this is a song that was always well received but it got new life again with Floor, they're even closing the entire show with it by now - it's her war horse just as if she was the original singer for it.
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Post by: The Walrus on December 17, 2018, 07:53:50 AM
I don't know if there's any other blatant case of a new singer coming in and totally OWNING a previous song. Sure, all the original / classic singers have their trademark song and when another sings them it's just ugh, but is there at this high level another case of a newcome singer making a classic song their own? this is a song that was always well received but it got new life again with Floor, they're even closing the entire show with it by now - it's her war horse just as if she was the original singer for it.

When Marc Hudson came into the fold with Dragonforce, he absolutely destroyed ZP Theart's live performances on older songs like Fury of the Storm. Totally different style of singing, no opera there, but yeah, I'd put Marc up there.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 17, 2018, 08:06:59 AM
Just discovered these guys. Woah. I have been missing out.
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Post by: Architeuthis on December 17, 2018, 10:48:54 AM
 
I generally hate reaction videos, but this one was fantastic.  A vocal coach watches Floor singing Ghost Love Score and comments on her technique.  She's able to almost instantly replicate what Floor does in some parts.  Watching her reaction to Floor nailing the ending of the song was pretty fun - we know it's coming, but she has no clue what hit her at that big monster high note.   :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r68y-IoMGtk
That was an entertaining video,  she sounds like she was quite impressed. She was comical towards the end, and a nice looking lady too!   :heart
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Post by: Evermind on December 17, 2018, 11:34:15 AM
I wasn't able to see Ghost Love Score live with Tarja, but I'm more than satisfied seeing it with Floor. She nailed that song on the show I was at. She's the perfect fit for Nightwish, too. I hope the hiatus between the studio albums will benefit them, and perhaps Tuomas will write something more ambitious than EFMB, which, in my opinion, was almost a disservice to Floor's voice except a few chosen parts.

I'd love to see an album written especially with Floor's capabilities in mind, kind of like how Imaginaerum was written for Anette.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 17, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
I wasn't able to see Ghost Love Score live with Tarja, but I'm more than satisfied seeing it with Floor. She nailed that song on the show I was at. She's the perfect fit for Nightwish, too. I hope the hiatus between the studio albums will benefit them, and perhaps Tuomas will write something more ambitious than EFMB, which, in my opinion, was almost a disservice to Floor's voice except a few chosen parts.

I'd love to see an album written especially with Floor's capabilities in mind, kind of like how Imaginaerum was written for Anette.

Well Tuomas has said the album is already mostly written so not sure the hiatus will influence the album other than give the band a much needed break.  I'm very much looking forward to what comes next, I loved EFMB but I do think they could improve upon it and one way would be to really unleash Floor.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on December 18, 2018, 02:35:27 AM
See, to me Floor has been improving. She was pretty good on the Showtime, Storytime video, but nowhere near as impressive as she is now. I think Tuomas wrote EFMB with her performance standard at the time in mind. She's got better since.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 18, 2018, 03:22:53 AM
From interviews I seem to remember that the approach was "We don't need to show off Floor for the sole purpouse of showing off" so to speak, so the songs came out the way they came out and they were all happy with it and Floor was ok with doing her part as requested. But I agree that the next album has to have her kicking all kind of musical asses.
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Post by: Snow Dog on December 18, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
From interviews I seem to remember that the approach was "We don't need to show off Floor for the sole purpouse of showing off" so to speak, so the songs came out the way they came out and they were all happy with it and Floor was ok with doing her part as requested. But I agree that the next album has to have her kicking all kind of musical asses.

And this is part of why EFMB was “meh” to me when I heard it, aside from the retracing of old sounds from previous albums which made it feel “been here, done that.” I’ve loved Floor’s voice since discovering her on After Forever’s Exordium album, and her control, power, and versatility quickly made her my favorite female vocalist. When After Forever called it quits, I even mentioned on the Portnoy forums that I thought Floor would be a great fit for Nightwish before she even got the job. I really wanted to hear her unleashed in that context, so to have her so restrained and held back was pretty disappointing. Hoping the next material put to tape indeed has her kicking copious amounts of ass. She has the talent, she has the presence, she has the love and approval of the fans... Turn her loose!
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Post by: cramx3 on December 18, 2018, 11:55:59 AM
I generally hate reaction videos, but this one was fantastic.  A vocal coach watches Floor singing Ghost Love Score and comments on her technique.  She's able to almost instantly replicate what Floor does in some parts.  Watching her reaction to Floor nailing the ending of the song was pretty fun - we know it's coming, but she has no clue what hit her at that big monster high note.   :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r68y-IoMGtk

I dont ever really watch these types of videos but needed something to watch a bit during my lunch break today and enjoyed her reactions.  She loved the climax, so awesome.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Darkstarshades on December 20, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
Am I the only one that thinks that Lord Tuomas suffered some sort of writer's block during Endless Forms Most Beautiful?
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Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that Lord Tuomas suffered some sort of writer's block during Endless Forms Most Beautiful?

I think he admitted to this, saying he had no motivation after the tour and they took a year off, but apparently he said he did find the motivation and inspiration, I think it was when he did his solo album and that once he found it he was able to write EFMB easily.  I'm going off my memory from what I read, but that's not exactly a writers block while writing the album, but maybe it did have some impact on the album by not being motivated for a period of time before it.
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Post by: Darkstarshades on December 20, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that Lord Tuomas suffered some sort of writer's block during Endless Forms Most Beautiful?

I think he admitted to this, saying he had no motivation after the tour and they took a year off, but apparently he said he did find the motivation and inspiration, I think it was when he did his solo album and that once he found it he was able to write EFMB easily.  I'm going off my memory from what I read, but that's not exactly a writers block while writing the album, but maybe it did have some impact on the album by not being motivated for a period of time before it.

But I think the results of such "block" or "lack of motivation" whathever it is can be heard in the album.
The rather large Marco songwriting input, even the long song is extremely repetitive and features less lyrics than Storytime, other songs being minimalistic and very very repetitive such as Endless Forms. Sure, there's the classic Nightwish and it's still an awesome record, but I do think there's definitely much less Tuomas here than what we had seen up to this point.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2018, 12:26:21 PM
That might be true, I look at a song like The Eyes of Sharbat Gula and think that's 100% like a Tuomas solo song moreso than Nightwish
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Post by: gazinwales on December 20, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
I don't really hear a big Marco influence on EFMB at all.
I think he had a big influence on the Dark Passion Play album, he is all over that album.
From what I've seen, Toumas writes the genesis of the song, and then with Marco develops it further into the finished version.
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Post by: TheSilentHam on December 26, 2018, 03:02:53 PM
I have simply been addicted to watching the Ghost Love Score Wacken 2013 performance, and reaction videos.  Even though I'm not really a fan of reaction videos, I can't get enough of the jaw drop at the last note.

Here are a couple good ones (IMO):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdkr3LkuShc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nELdScu74D0



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Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 26, 2018, 03:11:27 PM
The best video of Ghost Love Score live with Floor is definately Buenos Aires.
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Post by: Adami on December 26, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
The best video of Ghost Love Score live with Floor is definately Buenos Aires.

Yup. Insane. The other ones are good, but they're all like 98/100 and the Buenos Aires one is 140,000/100
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Post by: TheSilentHam on December 26, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
Yeah, I've watched those two versions and love them both.  The Buenos Aires has better fan interaction, a more intimate venue, and they are mostly there to see Nighwish unlike a festival.  I still prefer Wacken because I love the visuals behind the band, the pyrotechnics, the camera angles, Tuomas' game-of-throney keyboard facade and most importantly Floor's aggressiveness in the "Take me, cure me, kill me" section. That just puts it over the top for me.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 26, 2018, 08:23:57 PM
Yeah, I've watched those two versions and love them both.  The Buenos Aires has better fan interaction, a more intimate venue, and they are mostly there to see Nighwish unlike a festival.  I still prefer Wacken because I love the visuals behind the band, the pyrotechnics, the camera angles, Tuomas' game-of-throney keyboard facade and most importantly Floor's aggressiveness in the "Take me, cure me, kill me" section. That just puts it over the top for me.


For me, if the reaction video payoff is Floor hitting that last note, I would rather them watch the Beunos Aires video instead.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on December 27, 2018, 08:05:56 PM
Are these "reaction videos" a new thing? I can't think of many things less interesting that watching someone watch something.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on December 28, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
Are these "reaction videos" a new thing? I can't think of many things less interesting that watching someone watch something.

They've been a trend for a while now, and people actually discover new music through them.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 28, 2018, 12:59:38 PM
Yeah.  Some are interesting and well done.  Others are not.  To me, when the person watching is genuinely reacting (rather than just sitting there), making comments, and trying to be at least somewhat insightful (whether I happen to agree or not), I often find them highly entertaining. 
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Post by: Adami on December 28, 2018, 01:07:23 PM
Yeah.  Some are interesting and well done.  Others are not.  To me, when the person watching is genuinely reacting (rather than just sitting there), making comments, and trying to be at least somewhat insightful (whether I happen to agree or not), I often find them highly entertaining.

The only reaction videos (I admit I don't watch many) that continue to get me and then let me down are the ones of vocal coaches reacting. I am really wanting to hear a great analysis of what's happening. Instead, I usually just get "Such a great beautiful voice!" or something similar.

The most honest one I've seen was someone reacting to Radio Gaga from Live Aid, when the vocal coach said she had to close her eyes while she listened, because Freddie had SOOOO  much charisma, that she felt she was being tricked into thinking his actual vocal performance was better than it was, and then did the rest of it with her eyes closed. Turns out she was right. His actual vocal performance was pretty mediocre, but his live presence was so god-like that we all just get swept up and don't notice how rough his voice it.

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Post by: JLa on January 27, 2019, 03:34:08 AM
So, after watching this 'reaction' video a few times I continued searching for this concert, and lucky lucky - the whole Wacken show is on YouTube. (it's an official release so I don't know if linking is allowed, but it's easy enough to find).

I've never been the biggest Nightwish fan - I think they're pretty good and have their moments of glory, but I've never been fully on board.

Floor might change that. Ho-ly cow what a performance! From the second she entered the stage on Wacken she just -owned- it. Her singing is absolutely phenomenal, and her stage presence is out of this world! Just watching her dancing, head banging, interacting with the crowd, the smile on her face from start to finish. Wow. I hope the guys know what gem they have here - this singer fits the band like hand in glove.

Needless to say the band was spot on too. From the opening crusher "Dark Chest of Wonders" and all the way to the closing track, these guys know exactly what they're doing and they were all on top form that night.

From an actually not so huge fan: 10/10. *applause*

I'm getting this Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2019, 04:06:17 AM
At least with me, you're preaching to the converted. Totally get what you're saying  :metal

Funny thing, the only time I saw Floor was in 2004. She was at Wacken with After Forever. I've always liked her voice but AF was not my cup of tea completely so I never saw her live, and when she finally joined Nightwish I missed her first tour 'cause they were always playing away from me. I watched too the videos and the official live releases but witnessing it all firsthand, at a show.... that's even better. She's mesmerizing and you can't take your eyes off her, and not because she's good looking too, but because of the whole show she puts on.

I've always liked Annette, her two albums with Nightwish (heck, Imaginareum is my favorite) and I enjoyed the two shows of her I've seen, but Floor is so good that she retroactively made me "dislike" that era of the band.... I mean, watch a good video with Floor and then go back to an Annette one, no disrespect to her but the difference is day and night.

Funny thing, when Annette was still in the band and Floor was considered just a temporary, pregnancy replacement for just some dates, Annette strongly opposed that, because she was a metal singer and she said that people would have loved her to the point that they'd have liked her to sing in her stead. Well, she was right on that, even a short run of Floor with Nightwish would have gotten people to wish she'd join the band, which happened anyway under different circumstances.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
JLA, I would totally recommend getting the Vehicle of Spirit blu ray over Wacken. Two concerts and I think both are better than Wacken.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2019, 09:52:22 AM
JLA, I would totally recommend getting the Vehicle of Spirit blu ray over Wacken. Two concerts and I think both are better than Wacken.

Especially the Tampere show. Floor kills it on that release, Sleeping Sun is beautiful.
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Post by: Architeuthis on January 27, 2019, 10:02:51 AM
JLA, I would totally recommend getting the Vehicle of Spirit blu ray over Wacken. Two concerts and I think both are better than Wacken.

Especially the Tampere show. Floor kills it on that release, Sleeping Sun is beautiful.
Oh so much this!
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Post by: JLa on January 27, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
Hm, Tampere.. Home turf.. Probably a good one. Is Ghost Love Score on it? *that ending*

Just watched parts of the Wacken gig again. Getting addicted, haha  :lol

It struck me, Floor hadn't been with the band very long back then? As Marco introduced her for the crowd at around 10 mins? It looks and sounds like she's been with them since forever. I love her attitude! Dayum she puts on a show.

And that drummer, awesome grooves going on. I understand he is out now. His replacement has some shoes to fill.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on January 27, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
Yes, Ghost Love Score is on Tampere and it is awesome!  Their new drummer rocks and plays tighter imo.  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on January 27, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Tighter and definitely more technical, but Jukka had a Lars element of just pounding the drums and giving them energy. New guy hits much softer and lacks some of that energy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dreamer on January 29, 2019, 11:28:45 AM
I had been aware of Nightwish for years but the penny never dropped. Recently though I watched Ghost Love Score (Wacken 2013) and my jaw hit the floor (no pun intended) and was almost moved to tears. I now have the EFMB album which is just amazing as well as Once and Dark Passion Play. Also got the Wembley/Tampere double Blu Ray - I am amazed by this band.
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Post by: ? on January 29, 2019, 01:03:17 PM
Speaking of NW drummers and Tampere, last Friday I saw Kai walk to a local hotel while I was waiting for my bus. :D
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Post by: ErHaO on April 23, 2019, 06:01:27 PM
https://www.avrotros.nl/beste-zangers/gemist/detail/item/dit-zijn-de-beste-zangers-van-2019/ (https://www.avrotros.nl/beste-zangers/gemist/detail/item/dit-zijn-de-beste-zangers-van-2019/) (Dutch link, just as a source)

Floor will participate in the Dutch tv show "Beste Zangers van Nederland" (which translates to best singers of the Netherlands).

Basically, it is a tv show in which a bunch of (mostly) well known singers perform a variety of covers. I think it is about 8 episodes. Usually each singer has a song per episode, sometimes duets. And they also cover songs from each other. I haven't follow the show enough to know the exact premise, but have watched episodes throughout the years and enjoyed them. The show tends to be fairly intimate, with just a bunch of (good) musicians with a good vibe.  Usually the artists chat about their performances and in the end, the artists will vote and there will be a winner (per episode and of the whole season).

To give an idea what to expect, here is a performance example (pop artist Do covering a well known pop song): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evwluG1_Nbg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evwluG1_Nbg)

As you can see, we should expect some good recordings of Floor singing. Keep in mind though:  the show is usually focused on pop songs and also features a lot of songs in the Dutch language. Chances are Floor will perform songs in genres removed far from what her fans are used to. But that makes it all the more interesting to me.
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Post by: gazinwales on May 10, 2019, 07:42:18 PM
Marko is releasing his debut solo album, initially it's only released in Finland and sung in his native tongue.
I do believe that their will be an international version in the English language to follow.
He describe the music as 'hard prog' and the first single is just that
https://open.spotify.com/album/5faviMQXxlTo0Tb2QxO5Ee
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Post by: gazinwales on May 10, 2019, 08:15:37 PM
Here is the interview talking about the above mentioned solo album
https://youtu.be/asLJvpwnAJ8
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Post by: gazinwales on May 24, 2019, 06:51:57 PM
If anyone cares, Marco's album is out and it is very good.
A quite diverse record, loads of different sounds and styles, but the influences are deeply rooted in prog.
The songwriting is very strong, the emotion in his voice more than makes up for the language barrier.
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 25, 2019, 04:32:26 AM
Cool, I'll definitely check it out. He's a very talented musician!  :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2019, 04:08:25 PM
Cool, I'll definitely check it out. He's a very talented musician!  :tup

Yea, I should check it out I really like his singing in Avantasia and as a guest in Delain, this could be really good just based on what I know.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2019, 08:06:19 AM
Tighter and definitely more technical, but Jukka had a Lars element of just pounding the drums and giving them energy. New guy hits much softer and lacks some of that energy.
I miss Jukka's energy...
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Post by: The Walrus on May 27, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
What is Nightwish up to? Last album came out over 4 years ago. Is Tuomas writing anything?
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2019, 01:58:55 PM
Yes, if I remember correctly, this was the month he would present the songs to the band. The new album is gonna come out sometime next year.
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Post by: gazinwales on May 27, 2019, 02:16:03 PM
The band are demoing and recording at their summer camp this year.
Marco is touring his new album with a few festival appearances, not sure if Emppu is doing anything with Brother Firetribe.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 28, 2019, 02:48:45 AM
It does seem a bit odd that the band get a new vocalist and release a highly acclaimed album, and then wouldn't want to capitalise on that momentum.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 28, 2019, 02:52:24 AM
I remember reading that they did the compilation and "greatest hits / rarities" tour because it didn't feel right and stimulating to go immediately into another new album + tour cycle.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 28, 2019, 06:45:10 AM
I consider myself a fan, but I don't like Tarja's vocal style (I enjoy most of the songs though). I prefer Floor by a lot. I'm thinking about getting Vehicle Of Spirit (seeing as someone posted about it above me)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 28, 2019, 07:14:54 AM
I consider myself a fan, but I don't like Tarja's vocal style (I enjoy most of the songs though). I prefer Floor by a lot. I'm thinking about getting Vehicle Of Spirit (seeing as someone posted about it above me)

You should try Dark Passion Play; Anette does a really good job on that album and there are some straight-up rockers.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2019, 07:20:36 AM
Cool, I'll definitely check it out. He's a very talented musician!  :tup

Yea, I should check it out I really like his singing in Avantasia and as a guest in Delain, this could be really good just based on what I know.
So I'm in the mood to get into this comment thread and shine a light on maybe more obscure Marco goodness.

Obviously Tarot is the big one, his band before Nightwish. They have several albums with some hits and misses, I find the live DVD Undead Indeed is a good way to get into them.

Northern Kings is another big one - it's a symphonic metal project that reimagines 80's pop and rock songs with four of the best vocalists in Finland. There's only two albums so they're worth listening to in full, but if you're short for time, here's two standout solo Marco tracks: Don't Stop Believing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGmhDLnWhOY), In the Air Tonight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_vSgZU3FaQ).

There's also the project Raskasta Joulua which features the same cast + many more Finnish metal vocalists, they publish an album of heavy metal covers of Finnish Xmas songs about once a year and tour Finland extensively once a year. Here's a little acoustic bit from the four Northern Kings guys: Heinillä härkien kaukalon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJz1UEyw0MM). Beware that you'll be falling into a youtube rabbit hole if you like this and want to see more - so many priceless live videos over the years. Marco's voice sounds totally different in Finnish.

Floor and Marco shared a song once before Nightwish, this After Forever track called Face Your Demons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rprg54tziI).

The guitarist of Sonata Arctica had a few shred solo albums, and on the last one he put out two hard rock tracks with vocals, Marco features on Last Breath of Love (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEM_6XW_Zfo)

Nuclear Blast Allstars was a compilation project with loads of NB musicians and some surprisingly decent songwriting. Marco features on this power metal song Inner Sanctuary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw6Bx9Mq-18).

You've probably heard of Sinergy - Alexi Laiho's heavy metal band. Marco played bass for them and shares lead vocal duties on Lead Us To War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqYot-ItNUM) and Last Escape (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR00Sk0NC2M).

Dreamtale is a cheesy power metal band, they put out one particularly ridiculous album featuring Marco's NK/RJ colleague Jarkko Ahola. Before all that, Marco was a guest on a few of their songs, Where The Rainbow Ends (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9k_chj1KlQ) is my favorite, probably because it's a carbon copy of like... several Stratovarius songs  :loser:

Metal Archives lists a lot of other credits, mostly backing vocals, these are only a few that I remember really liking over the years (that aren't Avantasia, Ayreon or Delain).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 28, 2019, 08:05:34 AM
I consider myself a fan, but I don't like Tarja's vocal style (I enjoy most of the songs though). I prefer Floor by a lot. I'm thinking about getting Vehicle Of Spirit (seeing as someone posted about it above me)

You should try Dark Passion Play; Anette does a really good job on that album and there are some straight-up rockers.
I have that and I like it quite a bit actually (The Poet And The Pendulum particularly.) and yes, I like what Annette did.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2019, 09:59:09 AM
I consider myself a fan, but I don't like Tarja's vocal style (I enjoy most of the songs though). I prefer Floor by a lot. I'm thinking about getting Vehicle Of Spirit (seeing as someone posted about it above me)

You should try Dark Passion Play; Anette does a really good job on that album and there are some straight-up rockers.
I have that and I like it quite a bit actually (The Poet And The Pendulum particularly.) and yes, I like what Annette did.


Then i recommend getting Vehicles of Spirit. The Poet and The Pendulum is fantastic and Floor kills it, possibly my favorite epic performance from Floor. Sleeping Sun is also great.

Now just to wait for a Decades Blurau so I can relive Gethsemane.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 28, 2019, 01:27:48 PM


Now just to wait for a Decades Blurau so I can relive Gethsemane.
Is there a bluray in the works???
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2019, 04:53:11 PM


Now just to wait for a Decades Blurau so I can relive Gethsemane.
Is there a bluray in the works???

I'm sure I heard something about that, not too sure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on July 15, 2019, 06:37:19 AM
So, not really a surprise, but Jukka Nevalainen has definitively left Nightwish.

There's a statement on their FB page; he's doing well and he has no longer insomnia problems, and he feels it's best that he doesn't push his luck and stays therefore out of the musical side of the band, that he will continue however to be a part of in the managerial side of things.

A pity to see him gone for good, but hey, I'd rather have him healthy and happy than being miserable and suffering in the band. He's gonna be behind the scenes anyway.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2019, 07:00:11 AM
I've pretty much accepted he was not going to be drumming for them anymore, but nice to see Kai is officially in the band now and Jukka will continue to work on the "business side" of the band.  Sounds like the best for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on July 15, 2019, 07:15:54 AM
Definitely not a surprise, but it's cool that Jukka is doing so much better.  I'm glad to see that everyone is happy and Kai gets to become a full band member.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 15, 2019, 10:22:47 AM
Yeah, very happy for him, his health, and still remaining a part of the Nightwish family.  That being said, I miss his energy and style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on July 16, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
Definitely not a surprise, but it's cool that Jukka is doing so much better.  I'm glad to see that everyone is happy and Kai gets to become a full band member.
It's a win win situation.  Jukka is still a part of it all, and Kai is perfect for the roll. He is a beast on the Vehicle is Spirit blu-ray's!   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 16, 2019, 12:06:42 PM
In Nightwish related news, finally details of the second Dark Element album;
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-dark-element-feat-former-nightwish-singer-ex-sonata-arctica-guitarist-songs-the-night-sings-album-due-in-november/?fbclid=IwAR0TwTP8WmxZxWDOc6A-xrHuLErfmKonAFh2mg6LARLEi0Be0hfLYjk2lig
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on July 16, 2019, 12:18:29 PM
Excited for the next Dark Element record.  The first one is awesome.   :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on July 16, 2019, 12:45:03 PM
Excited for the next Dark Element record.  The first one is awesome.   :metal

Yup, looking forward to this
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Post by: The Curious Orange on July 17, 2019, 01:15:16 AM
Oh, it's a heart with nails in it - At first glance I thought it was a set of bagpipes.

Don't like the way they're still putting their names on the cover - it was understandable for the first album, but starts to look a bit like insecurity on the second.
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Post by: ariich on July 17, 2019, 06:13:26 AM
Cool, I liked the first album a fair bit so looking forward to the new one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on August 24, 2019, 02:39:07 PM
Here is Floor kicking ass in the television show I mentioned a while back. It is a more rocking version of a classical German opera song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLG5X1i2QM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLG5X1i2QM)

As usual, this show has a great production, so we will definitely get some more great Floor performances.

(the subject of this episode was of the opera singer, who is sitting there are well, the older guy, and she apparently listened to him a lot when she was younger).
 


Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on August 31, 2019, 04:35:45 PM
Had a listen to Tarja's new album and it's another hit and miss for me.
The hit is the latter part of the album with the slower and more symphonic songs, which really allow Tarja to show her full range.
The first three songs are miss, heavy for metal sake, poor songs and not memorable at all.
All up a solid yet another unspectacular effort 6/10 for me.
I much prefer her From Spirits and Ghosts release.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 01, 2019, 10:24:11 AM
Yeah, Tarja is so much better than the music she releases.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2019, 10:25:33 AM
So was I wrong in thinking that Nightwhish was gonna do a DVD of their retrospective tour? Cause I feel like I haven’t heard a word about it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2019, 11:08:34 AM
So was I wrong in thinking that Nightwhish was gonna do a DVD of their retrospective tour? Cause I feel like I haven’t heard a word about it.

I think the band is locked away working on a new album, haven't seen/heard much besides Floor posting an occasional pic from their hideaway.  But I do hope there will be a recording from that tour and thought that was likely.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 01, 2019, 01:37:13 PM
Yes there will be a Decades DVD/BR not sure of release date, must involved some post production with Toumas, who is currently busy :)
If you follow @teeceermb on instagram, he is posting pics and a few video updates (no music) of the new album's recording.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dreamdrummer on September 02, 2019, 02:51:36 AM
Here is Floor kicking ass in the television show I mentioned a while back. It is a more rocking version of a classical German opera song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLG5X1i2QM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLG5X1i2QM)

As usual, this show has a great production, so we will definitely get some more great Floor performances.

(the subject of this episode was of the opera singer, who is sitting there are well, the older guy, and she apparently listened to him a lot when she was younger).
 

Her last performance wasn't bad either, right?  ;D
Even with the Dutch lyrics.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 04, 2019, 12:20:02 PM
The new Nightwish inspired song from The Dark Element  ;D
https://youtu.be/H-vyg5Vvg3I
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 04, 2019, 12:31:34 PM
The song is alright, but those drums are boring as hell. He could have kicked some more or something.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 11, 2019, 03:21:15 AM
Mika Jussila posted this today on his Facebook page;

Nightwish BluRay/DVD/CD-masters delivered to record company and Ville Lipiäinen, who will finish the video for release. Kimmo Ahola (AMS Studio) did fantastic job in mixing and now the files have left from our hands and you can get the package hopefully soon from the stores near you.
Soon I will start the next project with the band straight after they will start mixing of the new album at Finnvox.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2019, 09:45:34 AM
 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 11, 2019, 12:22:33 PM
If anyone cares, iTunes has 90 second samples up of every song from the forthcoming Dark Element album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2019, 12:43:20 PM
The new Nightwish inspired song from The Dark Element  ;D
https://youtu.be/H-vyg5Vvg3I
As someone mentioned this is more Nightwish than when she was in Nightwish.

Also she slowly morphing into Tarja visually.  :lol

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on September 11, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
If anyone cares, iTunes has 90 second samples up of every song from the forthcoming Dark Element album.

Thanks gaz - I liked the new single more than anything on their first album so I'm going to check those samples out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
Just listened, and yea sounds like nightwish but wow

Also she slowly morphing into Tarja visually.  :lol

So true  :lol  Song is solid, I'm looking forward to this
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 28, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
So the last couple days I've been hooked on watching youtube reaction videos for Ghost Love Score (Waken).  I guess I knew "Reaction" vids were out there but never really paid attention. As usual, I'm probably late to the party and you guys might already have seen these, I'm old and slow :P . Some of the reactions are just pure gold!  Especially from the Pop/Hip Hop peeps.  Seeing people actually cry when hearing this song for the first time is a testament to both Floor and Tuomas.  Here's a few of my Favs.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4-rD_nwesI&t=1027s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfMkPykxf7M


This dude is pretty animated and funny...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvHzkqmEhs



Something tells me it doesn't take much for this girl to cry.... :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdkr3LkuShc&t=1391s
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2019, 10:59:09 AM
D-Gibby is a crack up.  Check out some of his Jinjer videos.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 28, 2019, 12:33:10 PM
Nightwish seems like a pretty good band. I wonder why they've only released one song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 28, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
D-Gibby is a crack up.  Check out some of his Jinjer videos.  :lol
Just watched it.... :rollin  Dude's hilarious!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on September 29, 2019, 01:49:09 PM
Anyone who loves ballads and Floor owes it to themselves to watch her cover of Shallow (A Star is Born), goosebumps!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68pe4a_9zk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68pe4a_9zk)

Sung like this by Floor reminds me a bit of After Forever.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2019, 02:48:40 PM
At the same show (or at least it seems) she sang an english version of a dutch pop song, that's equally amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahykaAPHhs8
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on September 29, 2019, 03:42:32 PM
Yeah, I posted a while back about the show, it is 8 episodes in total and each episode is centered around one singer, with the other singers performing songs that relate to the subject of the episode. Floor's episode was very nice too, with a beautiful After Forever cover by a pop singer, a fun cover of Nemo by a dutch rock singer, and a cover of Decades of the Sun in Dutch language.

In total this show will have 6 performances by Floor + a duet with one of the other singers. The CD release of the show says Phantom of the Opera.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 30, 2019, 05:56:09 AM
a fun cover of Nemo by a dutch rock singer
I have to say it - the guy REALLY needed to brush up on the lyrics before that performance  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 30, 2019, 11:00:33 AM
The new Nightwish inspired song from The Dark Element  ;D
https://youtu.be/H-vyg5Vvg3I
As someone mentioned this is more Nightwish than when she was in Nightwish.

Also she slowly morphing into Tarja visually.  :lol

Yeah, Annette's big USP was that she was very different from Tarja, but they could almost be sisters based on that video.

Stoked for the new Dark Element album (where are the rest of the band?) and super stoked for the Nightwish Decades DVD, and a new album next year!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 30, 2019, 12:29:43 PM
The Dark Element is not a band, Anette recently posted on instagram that it's a project between her and Jani.
With other musicians brought in as required.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 30, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
Yet when they released the first album they said the other two guys were definitely part of the band...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 30, 2019, 12:37:34 PM
Yet when they released the first album they said the other two guys were definitely part of the band...

Did they perform with them at their only show?  Since they don't seem to be a live act, I put little stock into the "band" besides the ones who are behind the music which really seems to just be Jani but with Anette as the face of the band as the singer. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 30, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
Yet when they released the first album they said the other two guys were definitely part of the band...

Once again there is no band, they were on the album and in the video only.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 01, 2019, 03:00:12 AM
My dad was so impressed by Floor in that tv show that he blindly bought a couple of tickets to Ziggodome  :lol

Also, I was listening to Auri yesterday and enjoyed it, kind of forgot about it but think it is a quality project. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on October 01, 2019, 08:18:07 AM
So the last couple days I've been hooked on watching youtube reaction videos for Ghost Love Score (Waken).  I guess I knew "Reaction" vids were out there but never really paid attention. As usual, I'm probably late to the party and you guys might already have seen these, I'm old and slow :P . Some of the reactions are just pure gold!  Especially from the Pop/Hip Hop peeps.  Seeing people actually cry when hearing this song for the first time is a testament to both Floor and Tuomas.  Here's a few of my Favs.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4-rD_nwesI&t=1027s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfMkPykxf7M


This dude is pretty animated and funny...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvHzkqmEhs



Something tells me it doesn't take much for this girl to cry.... :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdkr3LkuShc&t=1391s

This guy is pretty good too - sounds like Sherman Klump's grandma :lol   

https://youtu.be/dat-kNKnqNY?t=724

 I was waiting for someone to start farting.


As far as Ghost Love Score goes I reckon this performance pips the one they're reacting to .

https://youtu.be/4V_eoR6r1Tw?t=562


I am really happy to see Floor getting the recognition she's getting.............been my favourite female singer since the early After Forever days.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 01, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
I am really happy to see Floor getting the recognition she's getting.............been my favourite female singer since the early After Forever days. the first time I saw Live On Earth

Fix'd for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2019, 08:52:55 AM
As far as Ghost Love Score goes I reckon this performance pips the one they're reacting to .

https://youtu.be/4V_eoR6r1Tw?t=562

Tough call.  Floor's performance is slightly better in most parts (although there are a couple of short lines where I prefer her delivery in the Wacken performance, such as "...adoring beast").  But the Wacken performance is still stellar, and gets some points just for the scale and atmosphere of that show.  I'd probably put them about even.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 02, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
https://twitter.com/FloorJansen_/status/1179063237209464832

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I’m in Helsinki with @NightwishBand to make a music video for our upcoming new album!
It’s unlike anything we have ever done before and I am enjoying the process of making this very much! It’s really something else! And I really can’t say anything more...I know...I’m sorry!

Hmm "unlike anything we have ever done before", sounds interesting!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2019, 02:01:05 PM
I wasn't sure if that was meant in context to the music or the music video
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 02, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
I wasn't sure if that was meant in context to the music or the music video

Most likely the music video.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
I wasn't sure if that was meant in context to the music or the music video

Most likely the music video.

That's what I initially thought but it seemed some comments I read on other sites were taking it as the music, and it made me question my own interpretation a bit.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 02, 2019, 02:05:01 PM
The new album is recorded, not sure if they are doing anything additional (orchestra and choirs) at another studio.
A video is being filmed for the first single.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 02, 2019, 02:56:02 PM
What do you get when you mix Nightwish with The Dark Element?

This band:

Astralium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgK0HUOeEM

Not bad, but not an ounce of originality.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2019, 02:56:11 PM
The album is done?


Jesus. Where the hell have I been?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 02, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
The album is done?


Jesus. Where the hell have I been?

Yeah same, wtf, I thought I was keeping tabs on this one. Oh well, that's a nice surprise, honestly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2019, 02:58:24 PM
What do you get when you mix Nightwish with The Dark Element?

This band:

Astralium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgK0HUOeEM

Not bad, but not an ounce of originality.

I feel like they’re the Transmorphers to Nightwishs Transformers.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on October 02, 2019, 03:07:42 PM
What do you get when you mix Nightwish with The Dark Element?

This band:

Astralium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgK0HUOeEM

Not bad, but not an ounce of originality.

I feel like they’re the Transmorphers to Nightwishs Transformers.

It's not that bad. Some knock off companies are producing better transformers than Hasbro. I'll put them in that category, but certainly not Asylum movie bad. I can picture Anette doing her cute dance while singing this song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
I hope the new one is better than what they put out last time. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2019, 05:35:35 PM
The album is done?


Jesus. Where the hell have I been?

Yeah same, wtf, I thought I was keeping tabs on this one. Oh well, that's a nice surprise, honestly.

They've mostly been very quiet.  Floor tweets a bit and had sent many about recording for awhile, her latest about the video shoot seems to imply the recording is done.  They haven't as a band really announced much.  Shows are slowly trickling out for Europe next year though.  Looking forward to the album and their return to the US, maybe later 2020 or 2021.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 03, 2019, 03:54:37 AM
The band have usually recorded the album, then had the orchestra and choirs recorded afterwards, then recorded any final overdubs after that, so while the initial recordings may be done, I think they're still some way from being done done.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 03, 2019, 04:10:25 AM
Last I knew was that in May, which seemed so far last year when they were touring for Decades, they would converge at their "summer camp" where Tuomas would present the songs. Evidently from May 'til know has been enough to do at least the basic recordings (as the Curious Orange pointed out).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 03, 2019, 03:19:59 PM
I hope the new one is better than what they put out last time.
You didn't like the last one?  It's not my fav, but being Floors first studio album I thought it was good.  Only thing I was not a fan of was the overall theme.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 04, 2019, 06:00:14 AM
I hope the new one is better than what they put out last time.
You didn't like the last one?  It's not my fav, but being Floors first studio album I thought it was good.  Only thing I was not a fan of was the overall theme.

For me, the album has grown massively, allthough I already liked it when it came out. And I love some of the live versions. The Greatest Show on Earth live in Tampere is a fantastic ride.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 04, 2019, 07:27:48 AM
The last album was quite derivative of some older Nightwish works; can't remember which one but there's a dead ringer for Sahara on EFMB, and Shudder Before The Beautiful is basically Dark Chest of Wonders 2.0. I also for some reason really dislike My Walden. Weak Fantasy is probably my favorite on the album. Greatest Show On Earth is all right but to be honest those first few minutes are my favorite so it's all downhill after that

I hope Floor is used to her fullest potential on this one, because she wasn't on EFMB
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on October 04, 2019, 08:46:42 AM
I hope the new one is better than what they put out last time.
You didn't like the last one?  It's not my fav, but being Floors first studio album I thought it was good.  Only thing I was not a fan of was the overall theme.
I agree about the theme.  Way too heavy into Darwinism,  as I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum..lol!
 It's still a very enjoyable album with well written and uplifting music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2019, 09:04:32 AM
I hope the new one is better than what they put out last time.
You didn't like the last one?  It's not my fav, but being Floors first studio album I thought it was good.  Only thing I was not a fan of was the overall theme.
It was a huge turnoff for me.  Easily my least favorite in their discography (although it had some really cool moments).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Not a huge fan of the darwinism stuff either, but musically it's fantastic.  It's my favorite NW album.  I do think Floor wasn't used to her potential and hopefully they unleash her more on the new album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 04, 2019, 10:01:30 AM
I have no personal objections to Darwinism, but as a theme for an album I did find that it was not nearly as compelling as the sort of topics that Tuomas has written about in the past. I'm definitely hoping for a new lyrical direction on the new one.

As for my overall evaluation of the album, I like it (as I do all Nightwish albums), but I agree with Katt that it feels similar to stuff from their prior albums in a lot of places (Shudder -> Dark Chest, My Walden -> I Want My Tears Back, Alpenglow -> Last Ride)—though I don't know what you think sounds like Sahara?

I hope to hear a bit more of a new direction from them on this album rather than EFMB part 2, though I imagine I'll enjoy it regardless, seeing how much I like all of their post-AFF albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 04, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
I actually really enjoyed the idea behind Greatest Show on Earth. But then again, I am part biologist and have been involved in scientific projects that relate to the conservation and mutation of genomes (on micro organisms, how they evolve over time and how natural selection works, people in my field use it to predict certain evolutions for vaccine purposes, for example). Life and nature are something beautiful and special, because the odds are so incredibly low. But honestly, for the other songs I never really thought about the lyrics.

I just think Dawkins is a douche, but fortunately his lines aren't douchy here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 04, 2019, 11:17:28 AM
I have no personal objections to Darwinism, but as a theme for an album I did find that it was not nearly as compelling as the sort of topics that Tuomas has written about in the past. I'm definitely hoping for a new lyrical direction on the new one.

As for my overall evaluation of the album, I like it (as I do all Nightwish albums), but I agree with Katt that it feels similar to stuff from their prior albums in a lot of places (Shudder -> Dark Chest, My Walden -> I Want My Tears Back, Alpenglow -> Last Ride)—though I don't know what you think sounds like Sahara?

I hope to hear a bit more of a new direction from them on this album rather than EFMB part 2, though I imagine I'll enjoy it regardless, seeing how much I like all of their post-AFF albums.

I hear a lot of Sahara in Yours Is An Empty Hope.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 04, 2019, 11:21:22 AM
I hear a lot of Sahara in Yours Is An Empty Hope.

Huh, can't say I really ever thought of that. Yours Is an Empty Hope is a pretty fast, heavy song, while Sahara is mostly mid-tempo. But now that you mention it, I can see the similarity in the chorus melody—is that mainly where you hear it?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 04, 2019, 11:26:48 AM
I hear a lot of Sahara in Yours Is An Empty Hope.

Huh, can't say I really ever thought of that. Yours Is an Empty Hope is a pretty fast, heavy song, while Sahara is mostly mid-tempo. But now that you mention it, I can see the similarity in the chorus melody—is that mainly where you hear it?

Yeah, a little there, but compounded with the tempo and what the strings are doing, it always makes me think of Sahara. Although there are moments in that song that just sound like the standard Nightwish formula, to be fair.

The beginning of "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" reminds me of another Nightwish song from the DPP-onward era but I just can't pinpoint it, up til Floor comes in.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 04, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
The beginning of "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" reminds me of another Nightwish song from the DPP-onward era but I just can't pinpoint it, up til Floor comes in.

I've felt that's very similar to Wish I Had an Angel - some electronic/synthesizer elements, a dancy beat and a similar riff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 04, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
Floor does a small intimate (seated) solo tour in the Netherlands in January next year, just got my tickets for 013!  ;D She will be accompanied by the band of that tv show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 04, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
Floor, like Bruce Dickinson, is someone who should release an album called "Whatever I felt like singing this morning", with the contents of the album reflecting the title. And it would rock.

And I love the science side of Endless Forms Most Beautiful! I'm not crazy about the "24" minutes song but it's a solid tune and life on planet Earth really deserves a huge and majestic piece like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: majo on October 05, 2019, 02:09:42 AM
Floor does a small intimate (seated) solo tour in the Netherlands in January next year, just got my tickets for 013!  ;D She will be accompanied by the band of that tv show.
well... she's becoming a dutch megastar thanks to that TV show... a it was about fuc*ing time  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2019, 08:42:40 AM
Floor, like Bruce Dickinson, is someone who should release an album called "Whatever I felt like singing this morning", with the contents of the album reflecting the title. And it would rock.

Probably would, but I'd also love another Northward album.  I love her singing on it, a different style of rock music, and absolutely love Jorn's guitar playing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 11, 2019, 08:00:41 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-to-release-decades-live-in-buenos-aires-in-december/?fbclid=IwAR1_TifEHOjCNlvNpVA85flWuSZev40nMIi3Oko7SH0aoQPWr4O_s5xEHu4 (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-to-release-decades-live-in-buenos-aires-in-december/?fbclid=IwAR1_TifEHOjCNlvNpVA85flWuSZev40nMIi3Oko7SH0aoQPWr4O_s5xEHu4)

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Finnish/Dutch/British symphonic metallers NIGHTWISH will release "Decades: Live In Buenos Aires" on December 6 as a Blu-ray digibook, 2CD digipak, Blu-ray+2CD earbook and 3LP via Nuclear Blast. The set was recorded on September 30, 2018 at Estadio Malvinas in Buenos Aires, Argentina during the "Decades" tour in support of the band's compilation album of the same name.

"Decades: Live In Buenos Aires" was captured by 19 cameras on that extraordinary night in Argentina. NIGHTWISH came out to the rousing "End Of All Hope" and took its final bow to the unmatched epic "Ghost Love Score". In between saw a set filled with pure trailblazing glory — incorporating distinguished tracks "Wish I Had An Angel", "Sacrament Of Wilderness", "Elvenpath", "Devil & The Deep Dark Ocean", "Dead Boy's Poem" and many more.

"I didn't just want to pick out the most successful NIGHTWISH songs for this tour," keyboardist and main songwriter Tuomas Holopainen explains. "Instead, I asked myself which songs I would play to somebody who had never heard of our band. At some point during the preparation process, I realized that I was smiling all the time. I remembered the curious, innocent boy writing all of these songs."

"Decades: Live In Buenos Aires" track listing:

Blu-ray

01. Swanheart
02. End Of All Hope
03. Wish I Had An Angel
04. 10th Man Down

05. Come Cover Me
06. Gethsemane
07. Élan
08. Sacrament Of Wilderness
09. Deep Silent Complete
10. Dead Boy's Poem
11. Elvenjig
12. Elvenpath
13. I Want My Tears Back
14. Amaranth
15. The Carpenter
16. The Kinslayer
17. Devil & The Deep Dark Ocean
18. Nemo
19. Slaying The Dreamer
20. The Greatest Show On Earth
21. Ghost Love Score

Insta buy for me  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 11, 2019, 08:06:37 AM
Yesssssssss!!!!

I hope they have a bonus feature of the 10-20 minute whale sounds that preceded the show on an endless loop. Ugh.


No trailer?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 11, 2019, 08:33:14 AM
That was back when they still didn't put Dark Chest of Wonders as opener, loved the contrast at my show between the intro of Swanheart, which was acoustic and with the flute and there was a blue light and a nice atmosphHOLY SHIT FLAMES AND RED LIGHTS OUT OF NOWHERE DARK CHEST OF WONDERS HAS BEGUN  :metal

It's gonna be a nice Christmas treat and incidentally it comes out one year and one day after I've seen them. It will be nice to relive it all!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 11, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
Oooh, cool! Got many hours of pleasure from past Nightwish live releases so this is a no brainer for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 11, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
I have so little time for concert DVDs these days. It's releases like this that made me wish that wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 12, 2019, 04:25:40 PM
And now also The Phantom of the Opera is online  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCScjvDOJM

Floor turns everyone into a metalhead in the studio!!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on October 13, 2019, 12:26:04 AM
And now also The Phantom of the Opera is online  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCScjvDOJM

Floor turns everyone into a metalhead in the studio!!!
That was awesome!   That last note  :omg: :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 13, 2019, 03:35:49 AM
I don't know if it's true, it was just a random comment after all, but one of said comments said that the guy (who's been an actual Phantom for many years in theater productions) accepted to do the duet with Floor (who was the one who wanted him in the first place) on the condition that he could do it again with her when Nightwish would play Amsterdam.

If that's true, it will be another special evening not to be missed! thinking already ahead, and seeing how Floor completely and utterly nails the song, I wonder if they'll bring it back for the whole future tour....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 13, 2019, 05:30:39 AM
He will be the special guest at her solo tour beginning next year. So I assume they will do Phantom there. Furthermore, to clarify, Floor grew up listening to him and Phantom of the Opera. She is a fan of his.

Edit: and yes, that deal appears to be true btw.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 13, 2019, 07:19:55 AM
Yay for the live DVD (since I missed the tour when they swang thru these here parts).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 13, 2019, 07:56:07 AM
And now also The Phantom of the Opera is online  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCScjvDOJM

Floor turns everyone into a metalhead in the studio!!!

Holy shit.   :hefdaddy

I need a cigarette.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 13, 2019, 09:02:24 AM
 :lol that is an amazing performance and that dude is great too
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 13, 2019, 03:35:46 PM
Read an interview with Floor and she detailed some things about her solo tour. She will be doing songs from After Forever, ReVamp, Northwind and offcourse Nightwish. But all supposedly in a more subtle, softer fashion, so less roaring guitars than usual. And I assume she will do most if not all songs from the tv show Beste Zangers, as it is the same band that is with her. Would be nice if they record it (at the very least audio). Though I must say we are getting a lot of fantastic live footage of Floor these days.

Anyways, really looking forward to that show! And offcourse Nightwish later in the year! And it is pretty much confirmed they will do Phantom of the Opera, which will be a treat.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 14, 2019, 05:21:22 AM
Wish they would have played this on the Decades tour, though it's great we first got a recording of Floor doing it without the band - as an appetizer for what's to come! That guy is freakin' fantastic, I bet Marco is feeling the heat right now  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: JLa on October 14, 2019, 05:44:06 AM
Wow, that duet (Phantom of the Opera) was just amazing.  :o Both singers were excellent.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 14, 2019, 09:18:44 AM
I thought Floor did an amazing job, but I didn't care for the other guy AT ALL.  I think he unintentionally brought an even creepier vibe to the song, and not in a good way.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 15, 2019, 01:15:45 AM
I thought Floor did an amazing job, but I didn't care for the other guy AT ALL.  I think he unintentionally brought an even creepier vibe to the song, and not in a good way.

Everyone has their own taste and all, but I don't really get this being overly creepy in the realm of this song. The actual Phantoms during performances are touchy murderous and kidnapping creeps. Save for the difference that these days, the Phantom role is often portrayed by a good looking young(er) man like, say, Ramin Karimloo.

Anyways, I loved the performance on Beste Zangers, might be my favourite actually. And I did not care for the Nightwish version with Tarja/Marco, as much as I love those singers.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: PixelDream on October 15, 2019, 01:49:15 AM
I'm a Dutchie and Floor really is the talk of the town these last couple of weeks. Started watching the show because of her (I usually don't watch it). It's a nice show even though it's overdoes the emotional side of things quite a bit. And also, it's tuned to absolute death. I haven't heard a single off-note the entire season, which is basically impossible.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 15, 2019, 02:15:08 AM
I thought Floor did an amazing job, but I didn't care for the other guy AT ALL.  I think he unintentionally brought an even creepier vibe to the song, and not in a good way.

Everyone has their own taste and all, but I don't really get this being overly creepy in the realm of this song. The actual Phantoms during performances are touchy murderous and kidnapping creeps. Save for the difference that these days, the Phantom role is often portrayed by a good looking young(er) man like, say, Ramin Karimloo.

Anyways, I loved the performance on Beste Zangers, might be my favourite actually. And I did not care for the Nightwish version with Tarja/Marco, as much as I love those singers.

Yeah, having read the actual novel, I can only confirm that it's only right to have an older Phantom creeping on a young Christine. He took advantage of her naivety by passing as the "angel of music" sent by her dead father to teach her to sing, while in reality he was a poor disfigured dude living in the vaults of the Opera. He's possessive and jealous of her, and the stern and serious look on Henk's face is a nice contrast to Floor's interpretation where she's all giddy and even sensual, so happy to sing for her master.

Nice job on both sides I'd say, then of course the way they both act the song can either be liked or not.

About the original Nightwish version, it's a quite good metal version of the song. Floor will make it even better I'm sure! (well, she actually did already!)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: majo on October 15, 2019, 06:22:19 AM
I don't know if it's true, it was just a random comment after all, but one of said comments said that the guy (who's been an actual Phantom for many years in theater productions) accepted to do the duet with Floor (who was the one who wanted him in the first place) on the condition that he could do it again with her when Nightwish would play Amsterdam.

If that's true, it will be another special evening not to be missed! thinking already ahead, and seeing how Floor completely and utterly nails the song, I wonder if they'll bring it back for the whole future tour....
yep, Nov 2020 show. And I believe it's already sold out  ;D
(as is her smaller tour with the band from the tv show)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 15, 2019, 01:01:50 PM
I thought Floor did an amazing job, but I didn't care for the other guy AT ALL.  I think he unintentionally brought an even creepier vibe to the song, and not in a good way.

Everyone has their own taste and all, but I don't really get this being overly creepy in the realm of this song. The actual Phantoms during performances are touchy murderous and kidnapping creeps. Save for the difference that these days, the Phantom role is often portrayed by a good looking young(er) man like, say, Ramin Karimloo.

Anyways, I loved the performance on Beste Zangers, might be my favourite actually. And I did not care for the Nightwish version with Tarja/Marco, as much as I love those singers.

Yeah, having read the actual novel, I can only confirm that it's only right to have an older Phantom creeping on a young Christine. He took advantage of her naivety by passing as the "angel of music" sent by her dead father to teach her to sing, while in reality he was a poor disfigured dude living in the vaults of the Opera. He's possessive and jealous of her, and the stern and serious look on Henk's face is a nice contrast to Floor's interpretation where she's all giddy and even sensual, so happy to sing for her master.

Nice job on both sides I'd say, then of course the way they both act the song can either be liked or not.

About the original Nightwish version, it's a quite good metal version of the song. Floor will make it even better I'm sure! (well, she actually did already!)

I get all of that.  I'm just saying that, seeing that portrayed OUTSIDE the context of a production, it just feels...odd. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 15, 2019, 01:03:38 PM
The only things I didn’t like were his pronunciation and some of his choices of when to sing. I liked him otherwise.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2019, 07:42:09 AM
Mary Z broke down one of Floor's performances on that show:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=122EkOt0Fx8

I love her videos because she has such a vast knowledge of the mechanics of different styles of singing.  And she does her homework and knows about whatever artist she is reviewing as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 17, 2019, 09:23:49 AM
Mary Z broke down one of Floor's performances on that show:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=122EkOt0Fx8

I love her videos because she has such a vast knowledge of the mechanics of different styles of singing.  And she does her homework and knows about whatever artist she is reviewing as well.

I don't watch vocal reviews much, but when I do, I go to the Rebecca Vocal Athlete channel for these kinds of things.  First time I saw her was reviewing Ghost Love Score.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng_9eGsITjA
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2019, 09:40:25 AM
Yeah, RVA's channel is fun.  I've seen a lot of her stuff.  But if you haven't checked out Mary Z's channel, do so.  It is a VERY different kind of channel.  She does mostly vocal instruction stuff, and a lot of that is geared toward metal, and she REALLY knows her stuff.  Her reactions are much more geared toward analysis and technique than, say, RVA or BethRoars, despite them also being vocal coaches.  I always come away from her videos feeling like I've learned something valuable about singing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 17, 2019, 10:29:21 AM
Yeah, RVA's channel is fun.  I've seen a lot of her stuff.  But if you haven't checked out Mary Z's channel, do so.  It is a VERY different kind of channel.  She does mostly vocal instruction stuff, and a lot of that is geared toward metal, and she REALLY knows her stuff.  Her reactions are much more geared toward analysis and technique than, say, RVA or BethRoars, despite them also being vocal coaches.  I always come away from her videos feeling like I've learned something valuable about singing.

Yeah well... you've got talent in that arena.  Me, definitely not.  I could increase my knowledge by a hundred-fold, but 100*0 is still zero.   :lol

I just like watching RVA's reactions.  And dat accent!  :drool:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 21, 2019, 07:57:21 AM
And now also The Phantom of the Opera is online  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCScjvDOJM

Floor turns everyone into a metalhead in the studio!!!
That was SPECTACULAR!!!!!  It was so good my allergies kicked in a bit.... :o

I would love to see that live with Nightwish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 21, 2019, 01:14:34 PM
New song from the forthcoming Dark Element album, due early November.
https://youtu.be/pIdBinlW40E
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2019, 05:42:39 PM
New song from the forthcoming Dark Element album, due early November.
https://youtu.be/pIdBinlW40E

Good stuff, looking forward to this album  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 22, 2019, 04:56:54 AM
New song from the forthcoming Dark Element album, due early November.
https://youtu.be/pIdBinlW40E
Weird lyrics. Good song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2019, 10:30:46 AM
New song from the forthcoming Dark Element album, due early November.
https://youtu.be/pIdBinlW40E
Weird lyrics. Good song.

Definitely not a fan of their lyrics from the last album either, this seems like it's going down the same path.  My only negative on them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 22, 2019, 11:06:28 AM
Jani is kinda hit or miss with the lyrics. Some of his lines, I'd fucking tattoo them on my body; and some others, he lays the cringe on THICK  :D this wasn't cringy but it did sound like it was written in about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 01, 2019, 08:34:42 AM
First live release of a song from Decades: Live In Buenos Aires....

Devil and The Deep Dark Ocean
https://youtu.be/t26r_vAYQ0Q
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 01, 2019, 08:39:40 AM
Wow, this is awesome.  Video is a bit too dark, but the sound and performance  :metal Nice to see this old one with Marco and Floor singing it so well.  Never been one of my favorite songs but I really like this after only being half way done with my first listen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 01, 2019, 09:00:35 AM
Wow, this is awesome.  Video is a bit too dark, but the sound and performance  :metal Nice to see this old one with Marco and Floor singing it so well.  Never been one of my favorite songs but I really like this after only being half way done with my first listen.

It was fantastic live. One of the highlights of the night.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 01, 2019, 09:02:41 AM
Not one of my favorite older songs, but I'm excited for this release since I didn't get to see the tour.  I need to pre-order this and the new Slayer live show as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
Sounded good. I actually wish the brought in a guest vocalist for Marco's parts. I prefer that super deep evil voice for this song specifically, as much as I love Marco.

Also....I'm just never impressed with the visuals for these shows.

They need to find whomever filmed/edited the Kamelot DVD and hire them to do everything, THAT is a visual experience.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 01, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
Is it just me or does Nightwish LOVE releasing live material this decade? Like damn. I know a new album is coming, but I feel like they're always releasing some new live video
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 01, 2019, 09:26:48 AM
Dammit Kai, solid as a rock!  :metal

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 01, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
Dammit Kai, solid as a rock!  :metal

Yea, he's great in this song.

Is it just me or does Nightwish LOVE releasing live material this decade? Like damn. I know a new album is coming, but I feel like they're always releasing some new live video

I think it's because they consistently have good live material to share.  They didn't have so much with Annette, but since Floor joined, their live performances are just really top notch.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 01, 2019, 10:09:22 AM

Is it just me or does Nightwish LOVE releasing live material this decade? Like damn. I know a new album is coming, but I feel like they're always releasing some new live video

I think it's because they consistently have good live material to share.  They didn't have so much with Annette, but since Floor joined, their live performances are just really top notch.

To be fair, the band has only really released one live show of their own accord - Vehicle of Spirit, documenting the live tour from the first album with Floor.

They went to Nuclear Blast with the 2-hour "Please Learn the Setlist in 48 Hours" documentary and Nuclear Blast told them that the only way to put that documentary film out was to include a live show as well.  So they were forced to include the Wacken show on that release at the label's insistence.

I completely get them recording and releasing the Decades tour - they completely admitted that they'd never play some of those old songs again after the tour.  So why not capture it and put it out for fans?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 01, 2019, 10:12:17 AM
Oh I'm not complaining so much about the live releases as I am the Blind Guardian-levels of wait time between records.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 01, 2019, 10:16:33 AM
Yea no one is complaining and they've released some well done one off live songs too, I think they love showcasing Floor and rightfully so.  The whole band is really on fire from a performance perspective since Floor and Troy officially joined the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 01, 2019, 11:05:16 AM
No worries...just wanted to point that out, since they hadn't intended on doing a live show for the Showtime, Storytime release initially.  I'm glad that they're doing a lot of live releases since then - they are kicking all sorts of ass live and they had very little life releases prior to Floor joining.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 01, 2019, 11:14:53 AM
Dammit Kai, solid as a rock!  :metal
he is Nightwish's Mike Mangini
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2019, 11:15:56 AM
Dammit Kai, solid as a rock!  :metal
he is Nightwish's Mike Mangini

Well, not for me, since I enjoy Nightwish with Kai ;)

I do wish he was a bit more dynamic at times though. So I guess in that specific sense, he is like MM.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 01, 2019, 11:20:10 AM
Dammit Kai, solid as a rock!  :metal
he is Nightwish's Mike Mangini

Well, not for me, since I enjoy Nightwish with Kai ;)

I do wish he was a bit more dynamic at times though. So I guess in that specific sense, he is like MM.
so do I, that's exactly why I said so. I do think that this is the definitive lineup for the band (so consistent and clean, much like DT is ever since MM came on board) I love the new single a lot too btw
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2019, 11:29:17 AM
Oh I was just less than subtly knocking MM era DT.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 04, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
I do wish he was a bit more dynamic at times though.
He can't really let his freak flag fly in Nightwish, at least not compared to the music he is more used to playing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UMwLxFNKS0).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 05, 2019, 07:11:37 AM
New Dark Element video for Not Your Monster - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJvh7Ku7K6Q

They've fully aped the Nightwish sound on this one and it's awesome.   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 05, 2019, 07:31:25 AM
Meh. Way too generic and derivative for me.


I do like his shirt though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 05, 2019, 07:36:28 AM
I feel like Jani's been fully aping Nightwish's sound since "Antemortem" on Stormcrow.

This album is shaping up to be way more entertaining than the first record, but I haven't gone back to that one since it came out. Maybe I'll put it on this weekend before diving into the new one. I like the new song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 05, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
A few songs from the first album came on my random shuffle yesterday which was a nice treat.  Digging the new song, and yea, it's a NW copy cat, but... it's good.  Can't help liking it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 06, 2019, 03:56:37 AM
Hoping Anette gets a big power ballad on this one to really let rip...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 06, 2019, 05:47:52 AM
I feel like Jani's been fully aping Nightwish's sound since "Antemortem" on Stormcrow.
Antemortem was probably the best Nightwish song that came out that year :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 11, 2019, 02:28:13 AM
Can't find a dedicated thread, but as they are mentioned on here -  The new Dark Element album is pretty great.

Sure it's nothing hugely original, it simply plays to their strengths - mixing of Power and Symphonic metal with the hooky melodies and choruses of Jim Steinman.  But it does this really well with all eleven tracks flow well, not really a total dud among them, an improvement on their pretty decent debut.  Only thing I'd like to see on the next album is a little bit of folk metal as that really suited Anette's voice on the folkier tracks her Nightwish output.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on November 11, 2019, 02:44:08 AM
Only thing I'd like to see on the next album is a little bit of folk metal as that really suited Anette's voice on the folkier tracks her Nightwish output.
It would also fit well with Jani now being a full member of Insomnium, as they have a nice folk infusion in their music too.

And yeah I agree with all your comments, the album is hardly unique but it's really nice stuff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2019, 08:10:29 AM
I need to get this today.  Was too consumed this weekend to get it, but it's definitely an album I am highly anticipating.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 11, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
Listened to it today after seeing some praise in the thread. A few good songs and didn't care much about the rest. No purchase for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 11, 2019, 09:08:01 AM
Listened to it today after seeing some praise in the thread. A few good songs and didn't care much about the rest. No purchase for me.

Same here. Anette sporting the Tarja look doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 11, 2019, 09:15:58 AM
I've listened to it twice so far. It's good, but sooner or later Nightwish might ask what gives. I wonder if Anette knows she's singing melodies from the last Nightwish album. The first album had one dud. This doesn't have any, and as good as the songs are, it's still a total rehash of the debut and Nightwish's style... Again. I'll buy it though. Also, the main riff in When It All Comes Down is very similar to Bruce Dickinson's Power of the Sun.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
It's enjoyable, but I'm un-wow'd.  No purchase for me, and I'm not sure it'll captivate me to keep it in my Spotify rotation.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2019, 09:36:50 AM
Well, I dont expect anything besides Nightwish with Annette and honestly, that's fine for me.  I certainly don't expect anything different. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 13, 2019, 06:47:41 AM
It's very good, but stripped of the arrangements and strings, most of the songs aren't actually that strong, there are moments where you are anticipating the big note, the big chord change, and it just doesn't come.
And Anette really sounds like Agnetha Faltskog, especially on the last track.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2019, 04:52:54 AM
Slaying the Dreamer live from the upcoming DVD  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA44tjaP5n0

This is to me the ultimate version of the song. What a riot it was to hear it live, with all the red lights and pyros galore (a pity they didn't use them in Buenos Aires)!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 15, 2019, 05:24:11 AM
Nice!  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on November 15, 2019, 06:19:12 AM
 :o

Floor is gorgeous.  That is just awesome - I love how she doubles Marco on the heavy part of the song.  Can't wait for this Blu-ray!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2019, 07:09:22 AM
Not sure if my soundbar was set to the wrong thing, but the guitar seemed really low in the mix.

And, as much as I love Nightwish, this seemed to lack a lot of.....energy. It actually seemed a bit boring at times, which for this tune seems odd.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2019, 08:09:42 AM
Not sure if my soundbar was set to the wrong thing, but the guitar seemed really low in the mix.

And, as much as I love Nightwish, this seemed to lack a lot of.....energy. It actually seemed a bit boring at times, which for this tune seems odd.

You can't see the crowd, I feel that takes away from some of the energy.  They show a few shots of the pit during the heavy outtro and you get a better sense of the energy, but I feel like the video is a bit too dark.... but that ending  :metal :metal

Floor's outfit is awesome too, can't wait to get this blu-ray.  Looks like it's going to be an awesome live album
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on November 15, 2019, 08:15:27 AM
I love the clip. I will get the new live release immediately for sure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 15, 2019, 11:13:04 AM
Holy crap is the video dark. Will definately buy it for the cd.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 15, 2019, 12:45:22 PM
Not sure if my soundbar was set to the wrong thing, but the guitar seemed really low in the mix.

And, as much as I love Nightwish, this seemed to lack a lot of.....energy. It actually seemed a bit boring at times, which for this tune seems odd.
Hmm the guitar sounds beefy with headphones atleast.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 15, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Not sure if my soundbar was set to the wrong thing, but the guitar seemed really low in the mix.

And, as much as I love Nightwish, this seemed to lack a lot of.....energy. It actually seemed a bit boring at times, which for this tune seems odd.
The sound was poo poo for me too, will try it with the fancy speakers. And yeah, their other DVDs have been recorded much better in the visual department too. I don't doubt being at the show was stunning, but the audio and video isn't wowing me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on November 15, 2019, 03:24:44 PM
Odd, I think soundwise these clips are better than their previous live offerings.

Visually I agree Nightwish can use a better filmcrew/director/editor, their recent live offerings are full of non-satisfying camera angles all the time, but thankfully the stage design is great and the band looks like they are having a great time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2019, 09:15:10 AM
Well this new Dark Element album is fantastic, about 5 or so full listens in from over the weekend (and just now).  My initial thought is it's stronger than the debut, a bit more interesting musically although very similar to the first album.  Lots of catchiness here, fun riffs, and Annette sounding NW style.  Great stuff again from this band. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 20, 2019, 02:28:17 AM
Controversial opinion time.   I actually think both Dark Element album are much more enjoyable than Endless Forms Most Beautiful.   I admit Endless Forms is more adventurous, but for me a lot of that album falls flat and it's not helped by lifeless production.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2019, 03:40:55 AM
Controversial opinion time.   I actually think both Dark Element album are much more enjoyable than Endless Forms Most Beautiful.   I admit Endless Forms is more adventurous, but for me a lot of that album falls flat and it's not helped by lifeless production.

I agree. I didn't think EFMB was bad at all, but The Dark Element in all their Nightwishness is much more enjoyable. Although I'm a fan of Nightwish, they aren't a band I go to very often, and are more of a greatest hits band for me. EFMB and Imaginareum are actually the only two albums of their I can say I enjoy from start to finish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2019, 04:05:54 AM
Imaginareum is still my favorite Nightwish album. Floor stands way, way over Annette in any conceivable way, but that album is pure gold from start to finish and I love it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 06:58:46 AM
I disagree, but that's just opinions on music.  I think EFMB is their best album and while I love these two Dark Element albums, they aren't as good as EFMB.  This new album though probably tops a few Nightwish albums though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2019, 07:40:47 AM
Endless Forms is easily Nightwish's worst album, so although I haven't heard anything from Dark Element, that opinion does not sound controversial to me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 20, 2019, 08:00:28 AM
Endless Forms is easily Nightwish's worst album, so although I haven't heard anything from Dark Element, that opinion does not sound controversial to me.
well, I like it. (Floor is the main reason why to be honest, her and Sharon den Adel are my two favourite female singers in metal)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2019, 08:32:51 AM
I love Floor as a vocalist.  I just can't stand the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 20, 2019, 08:40:38 AM
I love Floor as a vocalist.  I just can't stand the album.

Me either, it sounds dull. I do enjoy songs on it though and vastly prefer the live versions.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 20, 2019, 10:34:38 AM
I love Floor as a vocalist.  I just can't stand the album.
I really like the music on this album, a bit too preachy about darwinism as we discussed previously. Richard Dawkins is no genious, lol!
 Floor sounds amazing though. Can't wait to hear the new album.  :coolio
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 20, 2019, 10:37:47 AM
Endless Forms is easily Nightwish's worst album, so although I haven't heard anything from Dark Element, that opinion does not sound controversial to me.

For all my criticisms of EFMB there's no way I'd call it their worst album, personally. Angels Fall First and Wishmaster are just dreadful, as is the back half of Once imo (save Ghost Love Score).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 20, 2019, 10:38:39 AM
I agree that EFMB is a bit flat, the mix is terrible and Floor was wayyy under utilized. But I have grown to appreciate it more since its release. Hopefully the new album improves on all of those things!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 20, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
I don't mind the lyrics, but the album is absolutely bland. Elan (I know I'm in the minority here), Weak Fantasy and Edema Ruh are the only tracks I still spin occasionally.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 20, 2019, 10:41:20 AM
I don't mind the lyrics, but the album is absolutely bland. Elan (I know I'm in the minority here), Weak Fantasy and Edema Ruh are the only tracks I still spin occasionally.

Weak Fantasy, Yours Is An Empty Hope, and Greatest Show On Earth for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 20, 2019, 10:51:27 AM
I don't mind the lyrics, but the album is absolutely bland. Elan (I know I'm in the minority here), Weak Fantasy and Edema Ruh are the only tracks I still spin occasionally.
Edema Ruh is kind of a hidden gem on this album that gets overshadowed for some reason. Great track!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 10:55:18 AM
I don't mind the lyrics, but the album is absolutely bland. Elan (I know I'm in the minority here), Weak Fantasy and Edema Ruh are the only tracks I still spin occasionally.
Edema Ruh is kind of a hidden gem on this album that gets overshadowed for some reason. Great track!

Beautiful song
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 20, 2019, 02:54:24 PM
me: I respect everyone's opinion, personal taste is such a funny thing
Angels Fall First and Wishmaster are just dreadful
me: well that's just plain wrong.

Seriously, those first several albums up to Once (when they had broken out into the mainstream) are why we have this situation we have now, of Nightwish being one of the largest bands in metal. They were unique, fun, crazy, cool, ambitious and talented, and every bit of that is on the albums. Maybe the later albums are more polished, professional, easier to digest and have fewer moments that miss the mark, but that's because they're way less adventurous and bold.

Maybe you just had to be there  ??? but I think a lot of you were there before me? I arrived during the long wait between Tarja's departure and Anette's first recordings, and the first half of Nightwish's career blew my mind to the point where everything that came after was kinda meh in the studio. Was only following them to see what they would play live and how it would look like. I like EFMB more than most people, but the real goods are in the touring cycles they had around it and the live albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 02:58:27 PM
Wishmaster is so damn awesome.  Angels is easily their worst album.  It's not bad, its just feels like a band trying to figure out a sound and how to write songs.  There's glimpses of awesomeness, but there's nothing that truly stands out on it for me.  Which is fine, everyone starts somewhere and they only got better after that so I totally respect it as their beginning.

Also, Bosk, you should check out The Dark Element.  I can't recommend them enough to anyone who enjoyed Annette's time in NW.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 20, 2019, 03:17:27 PM
me: I respect everyone's opinion, personal taste is such a funny thing
Angels Fall First and Wishmaster are just dreadful
me: well that's just plain wrong.

Seriously, those first several albums up to Once (when they had broken out into the mainstream) are why we have this situation we have now, of Nightwish being one of the largest bands in metal. They were unique, fun, crazy, cool, ambitious and talented, and every bit of that is on the albums. Maybe the later albums are more polished, professional, easier to digest and have fewer moments that miss the mark, but that's because they're way less adventurous and bold.

Maybe you just had to be there  ??? but I think a lot of you were there before me? I arrived during the long wait between Tarja's departure and Anette's first recordings, and the first half of Nightwish's career blew my mind to the point where everything that came after was kinda meh in the studio. Was only following them to see what they would play live and how it would look like. I like EFMB more than most people, but the real goods are in the touring cycles they had around it and the live albums.

 :lol I see what you're saying, though. I never 'got' Nightwish, until Dark Passion Play. That's still far and away my favorite album they've ever done. Other than that and Oceanborn, they've been super hit-and-miss for me, and they've never quite hit the highs of songs like The Poet and the Pendulum (despite its pompous, narcissistic qualities) or Meadows of Heaven. Also I disagree about your comments about the new stuff being less adventurous and bold. Angels Fall First is a tremendously boring album to me in no small part because it isn't all that adventurous or bold. At least the orchestrations on the new stuff are top notch, even if they make the material feel a tad bloated. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2019, 03:18:06 PM
me: I respect everyone's opinion, personal taste is such a funny thing
Angels Fall First and Wishmaster are just dreadful
me: well that's just plain wrong.

Seriously, those first several albums up to Once (when they had broken out into the mainstream) are why we have this situation we have now, of Nightwish being one of the largest bands in metal. They were unique, fun, crazy, cool, ambitious and talented, and every bit of that is on the albums. Maybe the later albums are more polished, professional, easier to digest and have fewer moments that miss the mark, but that's because they're way less adventurous and bold.

Maybe you just had to be there  ??? but I think a lot of you were there before me? I arrived during the long wait between Tarja's departure and Anette's first recordings, and the first half of Nightwish's career blew my mind to the point where everything that came after was kinda meh in the studio. Was only following them to see what they would play live and how it would look like. I like EFMB more than most people, but the real goods are in the touring cycles they had around it and the live albums.

Yeah, I agree. They'll never be my favorite band but I constantly followed Nightwish since discovered them, and I guess that Once is the turning point, is the last album of the first period of the band (and not only because of Tarja) and the beginning of Nightwish as one of the biggest acts of the genre, and certainly the giant of the symphonic metal sub-genre.

The early albums were all about the surprise, the then-new idea of operatic female vocals in metal, they were young and hungry kids exploring music and starting to understand stuff. Angels Falls First is of course raw, I won't ocmment on Oceanborn 'cause I never liked it but I know that's not the general opinion, and Wishmaster is absoutely great, it's maybe cheesy at times but who cares, it's a tribute to fantasy and all the cool stuff that we all liked as kids. Century Child was already a bit different, and once they made it big with, well, Once, they were adults and at the top of the sub-genre and the atmosphere and the feel changed.

I still stand behind what I posted earlier - Imaginaerum IS my favorite Nightwish album. But those early records, especially Wishmaster, are the testimony of a band of young hungry kids that just wanted to have fun with music writing about what they loved back than, and that will forever remain.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2019, 03:27:04 PM
I love Floor as a vocalist.  I just can't stand the album.
I really like the music on this album, a bit too preachy about darwinism as we discussed previously. Richard Dawkins is no genious, lol!
 Floor sounds amazing though. Can't wait to hear the new album.  :coolio

I'm sure he has never claimed to be a genius, but he is a scientist, specifically evolutionary biology, so he certainly knows what he's talking about.

And I have a question. Without derailing the thread, and going too far over into P/R. For those who don't like the album, and specifically the lyrics, does it have anything to do with it conflicting with your religious beliefs? Maybe you just find sciencey topics boring in music... I like The Great Debate...

I'm certainly not religious, but I love singing along to Theocracy's Bethlehem. That whole album is great, even as... Let's just say lyrics are key to my enjoyment of music, and they don't bother me on Mirror of Souls, although certain passages make me roll my eyes.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 03:32:36 PM
Usually anti religious lyrics will turn me off, but Nightwish's stuff hasn't for whatever reason.  Maybe because of the wording or maybe because I enjoy the music so much I can overlook it. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 20, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
Angels Fall First is a tremendously boring album to me in no small part because it isn't all that adventurous or bold.
Not adventurous and bold when you put it into the context of the music library you have today? I can see that. But in 1997, everything about it was like nothing anyone has done before, from the folky stuff to the solo keyboard over soprano vocs. That was straight fire. Even though nowadays I only keep about half of the tracks in my rotation, in 2007 when I first took it for a spin, AFF seemed avantgarde. The later albums only perfected it, and made it even better.

Yeah, I agree. They'll never be my favorite band but I constantly followed Nightwish since discovered them, and I guess that Once is the turning point, is the last album of the first period of the band (and not only because of Tarja) and the beginning of Nightwish as one of the biggest acts of the genre, and certainly the giant of the symphonic metal sub-genre.
Samesies. We all know that "Nightwish is my favorite band"-type, I was never that type  :lol but they always commanded my attention. They're one of the main reasons why I remember the mid-2000's fondly as a great time to be a fledgling metal fan, everything just came together for them. I would always find a reason to wrestle for the remote with my brother during times local TV channels were likely to run their music videos, the aesthetics seem so cheesy nowadays but it seemed so cool back then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 20, 2019, 03:37:05 PM
Yeah, I mean, I get the context of AFF's release, I just don't think it's a good album from any point of view, pioneering as it may be. It's just a dreadfully dull record even compared with what they released right after it. Just my opinion; it's the only Nightwish album I've gone out of my way to not purchase. I mean just less than a week prior to Angels Fall First being released, Rhapsody released their debut album - October 27th vs. November 1st, 1997 - and even though Nightwish is certainly the more commercially successful band, I would argue that Legendary Tales did more for the power metal genre than Angels Fall First did and is a far more exciting record. Both bands have incredibly strong legacies, so it's whatever, but that's just my take.

As for EFMB's lyrics: religious lyrics don't necessarily bother me but I agree with Zook in that while Theocracy's don't really bug me that much, there are definitely moments that make me, as he said, roll my eyes. But in EFMB's case, I dislike it more because it seems like Nightwish ripping themselves off in places and not using Floor to her full potential; there is a formula or template that seems to be more obvious than ever on that record, for whatever reasons that might be... I'm looking forward to the next record being, as we've been saying, adventurous and bold. However I could do without that narrated bit in The Greatest Show On Earth. Not because of the subject matter, just because I feel like it drags the song dangerously close to Song of Myself territory, which imo is a song ruined by 6 minutes of unnecessary padding
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2019, 03:40:37 PM
I should go through the lyrics again but I don't remember any religious lyrics on the album except for Weak Fantasy (and not so terribly in-your-face if I remember correctly). One song out of 11 can be easily overlooked.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2019, 03:45:15 PM
I really like Dawkins narration. Coupled with the music, it's very beautiful. I'm partial to the subject matter though. Plus he has a soothing British voice. Song of Myself's narration is god awful, and I chopped that shit off.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
I should go through the lyrics again but I don't remember any religious lyrics on the album except for Weak Fantasy (and not so terribly in-your-face if I remember correctly). One song out of 11 can be easily overlooked.

I think this is the most offensive one, but theres a lot of evolution overtones that kind of show the anti-religious without being so direct.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
I read Weak Fantasy's lyrics. It's religion in a nutshell. What's offensive about that?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 04:33:39 PM
I read Weak Fantasy's lyrics. It's religion in a nutshell. What's offensive about that?

Well if you are religious, I'm not sure you'd appreciate someone calling it witchcraft.  I don't personally find it offensive, but I can see someone being turned off by the lyrics. Or telling you to "wake up child" which is more direct to you, the listener.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 20, 2019, 05:35:19 PM
I really like Dawkins narration. Coupled with the music, it's very beautiful. I'm partial to the subject matter though. Plus he has a soothing British voice. Song of Myself's narration is god awful, and I chopped that shit off.

Completely agree with you! I love closing my eyes and getting lost in TGSOE, it’s a masterpiece of a song, narration and all. Song of Myself however, just drags and drags for far too long. I love Imaginaerum, but the ending is almost destroyed by that track.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 20, 2019, 09:38:23 PM
I like both Song of Myself and Greatest Show on Earth narrations. :P
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2019, 11:38:21 PM
I like both Song of Myself and Greatest Show on Earth narrations. :P

You monster!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 21, 2019, 01:44:00 AM
I should go through the lyrics again but I don't remember any religious lyrics on the album except for Weak Fantasy (and not so terribly in-your-face if I remember correctly). One song out of 11 can be easily overlooked.

I think this is the most offensive one, but theres a lot of evolution overtones that kind of show the anti-religious without being so direct.

*shrug* agree to disagree I guess. Evolution it's just a scientific issue. Just like climate change. Could a song about climate change, depending on how it's written, be seen as a political attack to those who approach the issue in a different way? I guess so, and I could understand the dislike. But I don't see nothing religious or anti religious in celebrating the beauty of life forms (title track) or saying "Hey, we're gonna die but come on, that means we are alive in the first place, look at how beautiful our planet is" (Greatest Show on Earth).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on November 21, 2019, 04:22:30 AM
Most songs on Endless Forms Most Beautiful are not anti-religious, at least not in my view or to my recollection, they are about an evolutionary/scientific view on life. And given how extremely low the chances are for life to exist, even on similar planets as ours, I like that angle for realising how special life is.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 21, 2019, 06:23:45 AM


And I have a question. Without derailing the thread, and going too far over into P/R. For those who don't like the album, and specifically the lyrics, does it have anything to do with it conflicting with your religious beliefs? Maybe you just find sciencey topics boring in music... I like The Great Debate...

I'm from England and I don't care about religion at all.  But to me Dawkins militant atheist anti-religious stance is in itself borderline religious, certainly cultish.   Seeing hundreds of people line up at Hyde Park to listen to him read extracts of 'The God Delusion' while waving said tome above their heads was strange......It's sad he's made most of his money and fame from that Novel rather than any of his far more interesting theories on Evolution.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 21, 2019, 09:24:54 AM


And I have a question. Without derailing the thread, and going too far over into P/R. For those who don't like the album, and specifically the lyrics, does it have anything to do with it conflicting with your religious beliefs? Maybe you just find sciencey topics boring in music... I like The Great Debate...

I'm from England and I don't care about religion at all.  But to me Dawkins militant atheist anti-religious stance is in itself borderline religious, certainly cultish.   Seeing hundreds of people line up at Hyde Park to listen to him read extracts of 'The God Delusion' while waving said tome above their heads was strange......It's sad he's made most of his money and fame from that Novel rather than any of his far more interesting theories on Evolution.

Yeah that is kinda weird, and I wasn't aware of that particular gathering, but a lot of non religious people credit that book in helping them leave the faith. I have the audio books of both it and TGSOE (recently got the book versions of both) and I'd like to "read" (best time is at work while stocking) more of his scientific books.

There are other non scientist atheist activists that are more respectful in their approach, but no belief should be respected nor protected from criticism. Should I respect someone's belief in fairies or leprecauns? How about scientologists?

But anyway. Nightwish is cool and stuff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2019, 09:31:23 AM
I enjoy EFMB but agree there are a number of duds on there, and a lot of it is pretty bland.

The lyrics....aren't great. I'm a strong agnostic and nihilist, so my issue with them isn't the offensive whatever, it's that they're just boring and dull.

Science and evolution are beautiful, but not for song lyrics.

I'm also a socialist, and I wouldn't want an album about the wonders of socialism, you know?


Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 21, 2019, 09:34:07 AM
Maybe the next album lyrics will have something to justify Floor's steampunk clothes  :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 21, 2019, 09:45:29 AM
Maybe the next album lyrics will have something to justify Floor's steampunk clothes  :D

Was it 12 Monkeys that had that steampunk theme? I've always hated that style.

Incoming concept album!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 21, 2019, 09:48:32 AM
Maybe the next album lyrics will have something to justify Floor's steampunk clothes  :D

Steam Powered Giraffe cover
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 21, 2019, 10:36:29 AM
Maybe the next album lyrics will have something to justify Floor's steampunk clothes  :D

Steam Powered Giraffe cover

Took the words right out of my mouth, I was about to link Brass Goggles on Youtube :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 21, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Endless Forms is easily Nightwish's worst album, so although I haven't heard anything from Dark Element, that opinion does not sound controversial to me.

I agree 100% with this, I've only listened to it a few times and have no desire to want to play it again anytime soon.
Even the wow factor of it being Floor's NW debut studio record, is diminished by an album totally lacking any memorable songs.
If I was picking a best of NW from every album, I doubt if anything would make it from this album.

The debut Dark Element totally blows EFMB out of the water in every respect.
I only just got Songs The Night Sings, so I can't really comment just yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 21, 2019, 04:55:14 PM
Yeah, I mean, I get the context of AFF's release, I just don't think it's a good album from any point of view, pioneering as it may be. It's just a dreadfully dull record even compared with what they released right after it. Just my opinion; it's the only Nightwish album I've gone out of my way to not purchase. I mean just less than a week prior to Angels Fall First being released, Rhapsody released their debut album - October 27th vs. November 1st, 1997 - and even though Nightwish is certainly the more commercially successful band, I would argue that Legendary Tales did more for the power metal genre than Angels Fall First did and is a far more exciting record. Both bands have incredibly strong legacies, so it's whatever, but that's just my take.

You have to remember just how mind blowing and absolutely 'WTF am I listening to'  hearing AFF back in 1997 actually was. There was nothing like it, it was just so raw, fresh and uttery head scratching. If you hear Nightwish's other album's first, then I can understand how underwhelming they could come across as.

I still would put it above EFMB and even Century Child, it has it's own unique character and charm that subsequent NW never had again.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on November 22, 2019, 12:36:01 PM
Marco's solo album in English get's a release in January, having it I do prefer the Finnish language version.
https://youtu.be/ifc3gBsM6B0
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on November 22, 2019, 01:11:37 PM
Man, I LOVE EFMB. Honestly, I really like all of their albums though I'd consider AFF their weakest.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 24, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 24, 2019, 08:59:09 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
as she does all the time I've listened to her (IMHO, I liked what she did during her stint in Nightwish too)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 24, 2019, 09:15:17 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
as she does all the time I've listened to her (IMHO, I liked what she did during her stint in Nightwish too)

Me too. She's not my favorite NW vocalist per se, but her albums are my favorites (along with Oceanborn). I really like how she stays in a strong range on this album and doesn't go for any shrill or unconventional stuff like Tuomas occasionally had her do in Nightwish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2019, 09:29:39 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
as she does all the time I've listened to her (IMHO, I liked what she did during her stint in Nightwish too)

Me too. She's not my favorite NW vocalist per se, but her albums are my favorites (along with Oceanborn). I really like how she stays in a strong range on this album and doesn't go for any shrill or unconventional stuff like Tuomas occasionally had her do in Nightwish.

I kinda know what you mean, but at the same time... wasn't it for the best? DPP was written without Anette in mind so that one is out of the question entirely, but with Imaginaerum, Tuomas was writing to Anette strengths and it shows. If it required her to go out of her usual vocal range for a few notes, well, the result ended up being awesome so I'm not sure what's not to like.

Hell, I wish we had gotten another album with Anette instead of what we've got with Floor. Maybe then Tuomas wouldn't have been playing it safe.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 24, 2019, 09:35:49 AM
That probably reads like I'm making a big deal out of it, but I'm not, there's only a couple of moments where her vocal delivery bugs me and it's mostly on Scaretale (but the first minute of that song has to be top 10 Nightwish moments in my opinion). But I think Anette sounds absolutely wonderful in Nightwish, funnily enough I prefer her performance on DPP to Imaginaerum. Songs like "For The Heart I Once Had" and "Meadows of Heaven" sound great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 24, 2019, 09:41:39 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
as she does all the time I've listened to her (IMHO, I liked what she did during her stint in Nightwish too)

Me too. She's not my favorite NW vocalist per se, but her albums are my favorites (along with Oceanborn). I really like how she stays in a strong range on this album and doesn't go for any shrill or unconventional stuff like Tuomas occasionally had her do in Nightwish.
mine neither (that would be Floor), is it controversial to say I've never been a fan of Tarja?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 24, 2019, 09:48:57 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
as she does all the time I've listened to her (IMHO, I liked what she did during her stint in Nightwish too)

Me too. She's not my favorite NW vocalist per se, but her albums are my favorites (along with Oceanborn). I really like how she stays in a strong range on this album and doesn't go for any shrill or unconventional stuff like Tuomas occasionally had her do in Nightwish.
mine neither (that would be Floor), is it controversial to say I've never been a fan of Tarja?

Controversial maybe, but I'm not a fan either. In fact the band never clicked with me (not even the big songs like Nemo) until I heard Dark Passion Play which gave me something to sink my teeth into. Oceanborn is the only Tarja-era album I enjoy from start to finish.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 24, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
I heard the new Dark Element album last night. Better than the first imo. I dig the poppy sound although sometimes I zoned out. Anette sounds wonderful.
as she does all the time I've listened to her (IMHO, I liked what she did during her stint in Nightwish too)

Me too. She's not my favorite NW vocalist per se, but her albums are my favorites (along with Oceanborn). I really like how she stays in a strong range on this album and doesn't go for any shrill or unconventional stuff like Tuomas occasionally had her do in Nightwish.
mine neither (that would be Floor), is it controversial to say I've never been a fan of Tarja?

Controversial maybe, but I'm not a fan either. In fact the band never clicked with me (not even the big songs like Nemo) until I heard Dark Passion Play which gave me something to sink my teeth into. Oceanborn is the only Tarja-era album I enjoy from start to finish.
yeah, The Poet And The Pendulum is a right old banger (among others on the album of course) as some friends of mine from the UK would say.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 24, 2019, 09:51:40 AM
That probably reads like I'm making a big deal out of it, but I'm not, there's only a couple of moments where her vocal delivery bugs me and it's mostly on Scaretale (but the first minute of that song has to be top 10 Nightwish moments in my opinion). But I think Anette sounds absolutely wonderful in Nightwish, funnily enough I prefer her performance on DPP to Imaginaerum. Songs like "For The Heart I Once Had" and "Meadows of Heaven" sound great.

Haha, I knew you were talking about Scaretale, because I feel the same way, it's the way she says "Blind Me" and the echo.

Meadows of Heaven and Cadence of Her Last Breathe are my Favorite Anette moments.

It'd be amazing if they played Meadows of Heaven with Floor though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 25, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
"I Want My Tears Back"  This might just be the worst title for a song I own.   Such a whiny title - sounds like a mock title someone would use to take the piss out of emo music.  Remember Millhouses Dad on the Simpsons makes up and sings 'Can I Borrow A Feelin' to his wife when she leaves him - 'I Want My Tears Back' would be his encore.

On the plus side - the song itself is actually decent...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 25, 2019, 04:51:03 AM
The song is awesome, absolutely irresistible live or otherwise, and should be used instead of Captchas to verifiy if someone's a robot or not. You don't move during the uillean pipes solo, you're a robot.

And in the context of the lyrics, the title kinda fits, even though "I want my awe back" sounds weird and "I want my sense of wonder back" doesn't fit the metric.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 25, 2019, 04:54:59 AM
I Want My Tears Back is a great song and a fun to see live. The title doesn't bother me, I don't know why one would consider it whiney. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 25, 2019, 06:43:43 AM
I Want My Tears Back is a great song and a fun to see live. The title doesn't bother me, I don't know why one would consider it whiney.

+1
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 25, 2019, 07:49:43 AM
I Want My Tears Back is a great song and a fun to see live. The title doesn't bother me, I don't know why one would consider it whiney.

+1

+1 as well, although I would consider The Dark Element to have "whiney lyrics" and I get an I Want My Tears back vibe from Get Out of My Head from the chorus.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 25, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
For anyone who know both I always thought that ICS Vortex was Marco Hietalas evil and more aggressive twin brother.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 26, 2019, 03:33:43 AM
For anyone who know both I always thought that ICS Vortex was Marco Hietalas evil and more aggressive twin brother.  :laugh:
Haha, I agree with this assessment!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on November 26, 2019, 04:11:55 AM
I Want My Tears Back is a great song and a fun to see live. The title doesn't bother me, I don't know why one would consider it whiney.

I like the song, just hate the title.  I just can't imagine one adult speaking to another and saying 'I want my tears back' without being mocked heavily  ;D   I can however imagine it as the title of piece of poetry by an emo teenager!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on November 26, 2019, 05:32:04 AM
I Want My Tears Back is a great song and a fun to see live. The title doesn't bother me, I don't know why one would consider it whiney.

   I can however imagine it as the title of piece of poetry by an emo teenager!
  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 26, 2019, 11:32:10 AM
I Want My Tears Back is a great song and a fun to see live. The title doesn't bother me, I don't know why one would consider it whiney.

I like the song, just hate the title.  I just can't imagine one adult speaking to another and saying 'I want my tears back' without being mocked heavily  ;D   I can however imagine it as the title of piece of poetry by an emo teenager!

Or a decent manboy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2019, 08:47:27 AM
Almost forgot the live album comes out this Friday, just pre-ordered the blu-ray/cds so I can have it this Friday (I'm off from work, so this gives me something to watch)  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 04, 2019, 10:17:09 AM
Almost forgot the live album comes out this Friday, just pre-ordered the blu-ray/cds so I can have it this Friday (I'm off from work, so this gives me something to watch)  :metal :metal

Holy crap, already! I better get on that as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 05, 2019, 01:47:33 AM
Vehicle of Spirit demanded a CD release, but we only got one as part of the big box set, otherwise we were stuck with a DVD/BluRay. Decades Live gets a CD but no DVD. Honestly, the way these record labels make format decisions staggers me. I blame Tool.

What I meant to say was - looking forward to this! Just in time for Xmas, and whets my appetite for the new album!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 05, 2019, 02:17:17 AM
I bet / assume they look at sales figure and go with whatever it's more profitable or forecast to sell better. But yeah, sometimes it's irritating the way packages are done.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2019, 08:38:25 AM
I think this is the best packaging they could do.  Blu ray and double CD for $18 on amazon.  DVD is obsolete and I'm so glad they aren't packaging it with the CD or forcing in with the blu-ray too and making it all more expensive a la Sons of Apollo (although I blame the label, not the band as they did this for Devin Townsend too.... Inside Out looking at you)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 06, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
Anette has been hinting about a secret project for a couple of month on instagram now.
Seems as though the Allen/Olzon 'Worlds Apart' album due for release in March 2020 is it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 06, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
I just ordered the Vehicle of Spirit 2CD/2BR set from Nuclear Blast during their Black Friday sale. Got it for $9.99.

Now another set is out. Maybe next Black Friday.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on December 06, 2019, 03:31:23 PM
Anette has been hinting about a secret project for a couple of month on instagram now.
Seems as though the Allen/Olzon 'Worlds Apart' album due for release in March 2020 is it.

Whooooa... what's this now??
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 06, 2019, 04:27:09 PM
Anette has been hinting about a secret project for a couple of month on instagram now.
Seems as though the Allen/Olzon 'Worlds Apart' album due for release in March 2020 is it.

Whooooa... what's this now??

A little googling shows it is on Amazon.de coming from the Frontier Factory.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on December 06, 2019, 04:45:28 PM
Anette has been hinting about a secret project for a couple of month on instagram now.
Seems as though the Allen/Olzon 'Worlds Apart' album due for release in March 2020 is it.

As in Russell Allen?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 06, 2019, 05:51:34 PM
I thought I heard someone knock on my door, yup, UPS just delivered my Decades blu-ray/CD  :metal :metal going to start watching right now
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on December 19, 2019, 02:52:02 AM
I thought I heard someone knock on my door, yup, UPS just delivered my Decades blu-ray/CD  :metal :metal going to start watching right now
Well how is it? I won't be receiving mine for a couple more weeks according to my record store guy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 19, 2019, 06:10:05 AM
I thought I heard someone knock on my door, yup, UPS just delivered my Decades blu-ray/CD  :metal :metal going to start watching right now
Well how is it? I won't be receiving mine for a couple more weeks according to my record store guy.

I really liked it. Slaying the Dreamer lacked energy so I had lower expectations, but the rest of the show is fantastic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 19, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
I thought I heard someone knock on my door, yup, UPS just delivered my Decades blu-ray/CD  :metal :metal going to start watching right now
Well how is it? I won't be receiving mine for a couple more weeks according to my record store guy.

Mine barely shipped from Nuclear Blast yesterday. I ordered it 3 days before its release.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 19, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
So is there not a CD + [BR or DVD] version?  I have to buy two separate packages if I want audio and video?

And thanks to Amazon apparently no longer providing track listings for anything anymore, I don't even know whether each has the complete track list.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on December 19, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
So is there not a CD + [BR or DVD] version?  I have to buy two separate packages if I want audio and video?

And thanks to Amazon apparently no longer providing track listings for anything anymore, I don't even know whether each has the complete track list.

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Nightwish/Decades%3A_Live_in_Buenos_Aires/802191

under 'other versions':


Release date         Label           Catalog ID                Format          Description
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48974 / NB 4897-4   Blu-ray + 2CD   Earbook
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48970 / NB 4897-0   Blu-ray   
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48972 / NB 4897-2   2CD   
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48971 / NB 4897-1   3 12" vinyls   Black
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48977 / NB 4897-7   3 12" vinyls   Blue
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48978 / NB 4897-8   3 12" vinyls   Linen
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48979 / NB 4897-9   3 12" vinyls   Violet sparkle
December 6th, 2019   Nuclear Blast   27361 48973 / NB 4897-3   3 12" vinyls   Golden
January 31st, 2020   Nuclear Blast                             3 12" vinyls   Purple/Pink Splatter
January 31st, 2020   Nuclear Blast                             3 12" vinyls   Pink/Black Splatter
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 19, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
The artbook was a limited release though IIRC. Although back to you bosk, as I've seen, the tracklisting seems to be the same on any format. And so, yes, you now would have to buy two separate formats for audio and video.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 19, 2019, 09:56:41 AM
So is there not a CD + [BR or DVD] version?  I have to buy two separate packages if I want audio and video?

And thanks to Amazon apparently no longer providing track listings for anything anymore, I don't even know whether each has the complete track list.

The one I got from Amazon was 2cds and a blue ray.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 19, 2019, 10:01:00 AM
Can't seem to find that version on Amazon.  I even tried searching the catalog number from the link Katt posted.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on December 19, 2019, 10:05:04 AM
here

https://shop.nuclearblast.com/en/products/sound/cd/2cd-bluray/nightwish-decades-live-in-buenos-aires-2cd-bluray-.html
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on December 19, 2019, 10:05:50 AM
Can't seem to find that version on Amazon.  I even tried searching the catalog number from the link Katt posted.

Worse comes to worse, I'm happy to mail you my 2 cd's. I don't really want them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 19, 2019, 10:06:00 AM
here

https://shop.nuclearblast.com/en/products/sound/cd/2cd-bluray/nightwish-decades-live-in-buenos-aires-2cd-bluray-.html
sorry then
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Post by: bosk1 on December 19, 2019, 10:19:29 AM
Can't seem to find that version on Amazon.  I even tried searching the catalog number from the link Katt posted.

Worse comes to worse, I'm happy to mail you my 2 cd's. I don't really want them.

Seriously?
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Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2019, 10:19:41 AM
I thought I heard someone knock on my door, yup, UPS just delivered my Decades blu-ray/CD  :metal :metal going to start watching right now
Well how is it? I won't be receiving mine for a couple more weeks according to my record store guy.

It's awesome.  The video quality is not their best.  I find the shots to be lackluster and the video is dark overall.  I'd say Vehicle of Spirit blows this away in terms of the visual aspect.  There's never a good shot of the entire band which is weird, it's always from far back of the whole venue, not just the stage and band playing at once.  Having said my main issue, the performance is AWESOME.  Hearing the current band do all these older and some rarer stuff is really cool and they nail it.  Awesome album to have to compliment their discography.  Kind of similar to DT doing WDADU with the line up at the time, kind of just breathes some new air into these older songs.  Audio quality is good too.  I'd totally recommend it to any fan of the band, even if you didn't like the older Tarja stuff, you may find these songs with Floor/Marco/Troy to be interesting.

I got my blu-ray and double CD combo on amazon FYI, arrived the day of release and I watched it twice that weekend.  It's still in my blu-ray player and will get more watches for sure.  This band doesn't have a bad live release.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 19, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
here

https://shop.nuclearblast.com/en/products/sound/cd/2cd-bluray/nightwish-decades-live-in-buenos-aires-2cd-bluray-.html

Oh, wow.  Thanks, man!  That's cheaper than Amazon was likely to have it anyway (although I don't know what shipping is).
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Post by: The Walrus on December 19, 2019, 10:21:45 AM
I'm good for something every once in a while
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Post by: Adami on December 19, 2019, 10:25:08 AM
Can't seem to find that version on Amazon.  I even tried searching the catalog number from the link Katt posted.

Worse comes to worse, I'm happy to mail you my 2 cd's. I don't really want them.

Seriously?

Yup! Just let me know.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
The new album is finished  :yarr
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Post by: gborland on January 16, 2020, 05:03:51 AM

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New NIGHTWISH studio album 'HUMAN. :II: NATURE.' to be released on April, 10th! Pre-orders start February 7th!
Tuomas once said that whenever he creates a new record he has the intention of capturing something rare and unique, a monument and a true album experience. In 2020 he’s certain to achieve his objective once again. We have completed the recordings for their 9th studio album and are proud to announce the title, artwork and tracklisting. ‘HUMAN. :II: NATURE.’ will be released on 10th April 2020.

The long-awaited record, following 2015’s critically-acclaimed ‘Endless Forms Most Beautiful’, will be a double album containing 9 tracks on the main CD and one long track, divided into eight chapters on CD 2.

The tracklisting will read as follows:
Disc 1:
01. Music
02. Noise
03. Shoemaker
04. Harvest
05. Pan
06. How's The Heart?
07. Procession
08. Tribal
09. Endlessness

Disc 2:
01. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Vista
02. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - The Blue
03. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - The Green
04. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Moors
05. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Aurorae
06. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Quiet As The Snow
07. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Anthropocene (incl. "Hurrian Hymn To Nikkal")
08. All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Ad Astra
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2020, 05:13:15 AM
 :omg:

They're doing the inverse trajectory of Dream Theater... our guys concentrated on shorter songs, they wrote instead a 24 minutes song (with a lot of cheating, but still it was long) and now they pull a Six Degrees? wow!
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 16, 2020, 05:16:26 AM
I'm already salivating....  Man!  April 10th can't come soon enough!!!
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2020, 05:21:56 AM
Also, if you want to study a bit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrian_songs

I didn't find any previous reference for "All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World", I figured out it must have been a quote like Endless Form Most Beautiful, but if you google it you just find news of the Nightish album. Next best thing, a quote that goes "Although the variegated beauties which adorn the surface of our globe...." from Thomas Dick.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 16, 2020, 07:06:21 AM
:omg:

They're doing the inverse trajectory of Dream Theater... our guys concentrated on shorter songs, they wrote instead a 24 minutes song (with a lot of cheating, but still it was long) and now they pull a Six Degrees? wow!

Definitely did not expect that, especially since their previous disc had a long epic! Certainly exciting though!!
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Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2020, 07:49:11 AM
Not holding much hope for the epic, hope to be surprised though.

Still, this art would look cool on a t-shirt and I already bought the tickets for the upcoming gig, so I'm excited.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2020, 08:22:33 AM
Really excited.  They are one of my favorite bands and I LOVED EFMB.  This kind of feels like its taking that further, another long epic, nature themes. 

I do hope that there's less or hopefully no spoken word, but I kind of have the feeling Vista or Ad Astra will be.  They way they broke up the epic already makes me feel like there will be easily skippable tracks that are either drawn out instrumental music, sounds of animals, or spoken word.  I hope I'm wrong, but otherwise I'm really excited for this.
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Post by: The Walrus on January 16, 2020, 09:09:56 AM
I have a nagging suspicion that the disc-long track will take us to levels of pretentiousness hitherto unexplored by Tuomas Holopainen, capped off with a most profound five minute monologue by David Attenborough ruminating on the importance of the relationship between humans and all the creatures of the Earth that we take for granted every single day or something like that
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
I have a nagging suspicion that the disc-long track will take us to levels of pretentiousness hitherto unexplored by Tuomas Holopainen, capped off with a most profound five minute monologue by David Attenborough ruminating on the importance of the relationship between humans and all the creatures of the Earth that we take for granted every single day or something like that

 :rollin

I do hope that there's less or hopefully no spoken word, but I kind of have the feeling Vista or Ad Astra will be.  They way they broke up the epic already makes me feel like there will be easily skippable tracks that are either drawn out instrumental music, sounds of animals, or spoken word.  I hope I'm wrong, but otherwise I'm really excited for this.

I think you might both be right. If I remember correctly there were rumors of a 20 minutes song on Imaginaerum, which eventually became Song of Myself and the separate title track, and SoM got so long because of all the spoken words section. The Greatest Show on Earth has basically 10 minutes of "real" music if you cut out the intro and the ambient sounds. We probably should not expect a words / length ratio that A Change of Seasons of even Six Degrees have.

Any guesses on how long the suite of the second disc will be? if it actually brings the whole album over 80 minutes or if it's just a stylistic choice to separate it from the record? off the top of my head Endless Forms filled quite nicely a CD, so you'd just need a 30 minutes song to tip over the CD capacity if the other ones are the average length we found on the previous album.
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Post by: The Walrus on January 16, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Gonna lock in my estimate at 36 minutes.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
Funny how The Greatest Show on Earth came on this morning on a random shuffle of my entire library.  I skipped the first 5 and last 5ish minutes to make it a great song. 

I'll throw in my estimte at 26 minutes.  And I'll also add that I bet it's enough to fit on 1 disc and this could be an album sales ploy.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 16, 2020, 12:08:44 PM
I just hope it's better than EFMB, although it's a solid record, it's my least fave Nightwish album.
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Post by: RoeDent on January 16, 2020, 12:58:51 PM
And I'll also add that I bet it's enough to fit on 1 disc and this could be an album sales ploy.

This. It absolutely infuriates me that they can get away with this and no one bats an eye. Metallica's last "double" album can fit on a single CD (76 minutes). Unless it's over 80 minutes, it can go on one CD. That's how it should be. Yeah, it would be double vinyl, but the CD has been the dominant form in my lifetime, so I expect a true double album to contain well over 80 minutes of music, probably over 100 in fact. Two full discs of music.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 16, 2020, 01:06:46 PM
Color me excited.  I very much liked EFMB, even though I believe they could've put out something stronger.  I'm hopeful that this is the 'something stronger'.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
And I'll also add that I bet it's enough to fit on 1 disc and this could be an album sales ploy.

This. It absolutely infuriates me that they can get away with this and no one bats an eye. Metallica's last "double" album can fit on a single CD (76 minutes). Unless it's over 80 minutes, it can go on one CD. That's how it should be. Yeah, it would be double vinyl, but the CD has been the dominant form in my lifetime, so I expect a true double album to contain well over 80 minutes of music, probably over 100 in fact. Two full discs of music.

Yea, I immediately thought of hard wired  :lol  I'm not a fan of this.  I feel its similar to giving out a "free" CD with a ticket purchase to up the Cd sales.  Which Nightwish did on the decades tour promoting the decades "best of" album.  I got it for "free" which I do enjoy getting, but I don't like the way it scams album sales.  I wouldn't of bought it, as it's a best of album of albums I own.  In the end, the customer pays for it anyway wiht a higher ticket price.  Not a fan of these ploys even though occasionally it works out for me.  (I got the latest babymetal album this way, which I wouldn't of likely bought and ended up enjoying it).
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
If it really fits on a single CD, I'd expect the justification being "We felt that the suite was so strong and diverse from everything we've ever done, with all this and those influences blah blah blah, that it deserved to be a standalone CD to mark better the difference in styles between the two discs and blah blah blah".

Also, stylistically it sounds and look better to present a double CD with the second one being a longass song, than having a single CD with 17 tracks and half of them have a subtitle.

(I'm in the camp of "less than 80 minutes = one CD", I'm just trying to imagine why they'd split the tracklist in that case)
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 16, 2020, 03:24:40 PM
Never know, they could be going nuts with epics on this one. For all we know, the songs on the first disc could be pretty lengthy as well.
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Post by: gborland on January 16, 2020, 04:17:44 PM
I would like to be floored by Floor on this album.
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Post by: Adami on January 17, 2020, 12:24:58 AM
Eh, I'm not too excited about this.

I enjoyed EFMB for the most part, but the lyrics and themes were, in my opinion, some of Nightwish's worst. This looks like it'll be EFMB pt 2, which doesn't make me feel excited.

Hope I'm wrong, and I hope the lyrics are more personal and less scientific or whatever he was trying to do on the last one.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 17, 2020, 02:50:03 AM
I'm excited about the lyrics (we had soooo many albums of Tuomas just talking about himself, he can focus on other things for like two albums) and the segmentation of the track. The Greatest Show had some cool segments I would have listened to more if they were separated. And Nightwish albums almost always have some filler, so more tracks = more tracks to potentially like.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2020, 06:44:01 AM
If this theme is a more nature and less science/religion then I am onboard.  I like the nature themes in the music.  I don't care for religious themes though.
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Post by: The Walrus on January 17, 2020, 07:23:43 AM
If this theme is a more nature and less science/religion then I am onboard.  I like the nature themes in the music.  I don't care for religious themes though.

I want to go on record as agreeing with this, however, were Nightwish to ever write an album that thematically dealt with the teachings of the Jedi Order, well, I'd attend that sermon.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 17, 2020, 08:05:19 AM
If this theme is a more nature and less science/religion then I am onboard.  I like the nature themes in the music.  I don't care for religious themes though.

I want to go on record as agreeing with this, however, were Nightwish to ever write an album that thematically dealt with the teachings of the Jedi Order, well, I'd attend that sermon.  :biggrin:
the lyrics will have to be sung backwards though and there has to be a two second hmm after every piece
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Post by: ZirconBlue on January 17, 2020, 08:22:12 AM


And I'll also add that I bet it's enough to fit on 1 disc and this could be an album sales ploy.



My recollection is that there is a minimum total length for an album to count double on the Billboard charts, which is why SDoIT didn't get counted double for album sales.  Not sure how things work in other countries, though.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 17, 2020, 12:59:49 PM
So, no US dates to support the new album in 2020?  Wow.... :sad:  Anyone hear why?  Just timing?
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Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2020, 01:01:54 PM
So, no US dates to support the new album in 2020?  Wow.... :sad:

DId they state that or is it just because they havent announced any?  I know they are doing Europe first but I figured US in the fall would be possible.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 17, 2020, 01:03:51 PM
They Have dates booked in Europe all the way to Dec 18th.  That's a loooong tour, can't imagine them not taking a break after.

**edit - there is a break between July and Nov... maybe then??
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Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
Actually I was wrong, now that I look, South America first, then some sprinkled dates around Europe/Russia before August/September/October off.  Maybe September could be a NA tour.  I hope so at least, would suck if it's not but the US got the first leg of the last few tours.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 17, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
Let's hope we can get a tour leg in those late summer months!  I guess it's possible.  That will sure make a long year for them though.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2020, 12:20:02 PM
https://www.impe.fi/articles/1/2905?fbclid=IwAR030n2C3c4hefYwocmjeUC7aWgcYwvEuXUH_xjyOQweDMzgkEGlqE9c0zU (https://www.impe.fi/articles/1/2905?fbclid=IwAR030n2C3c4hefYwocmjeUC7aWgcYwvEuXUH_xjyOQweDMzgkEGlqE9c0zU)

A review of an album prelistening party the band had, very positive review it seems although I just skimmed it for now, I'll read the whole thing later but what I caught was disc 1 seems to be 44 minutes and disc 2 is 34 minutes.
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 27, 2020, 12:25:28 PM
https://www.impe.fi/articles/1/2905?fbclid=IwAR030n2C3c4hefYwocmjeUC7aWgcYwvEuXUH_xjyOQweDMzgkEGlqE9c0zU (https://www.impe.fi/articles/1/2905?fbclid=IwAR030n2C3c4hefYwocmjeUC7aWgcYwvEuXUH_xjyOQweDMzgkEGlqE9c0zU)

A review of an album prelistening party the band had, very positive review it seems although I just skimmed it for now, I'll read the whole thing later but what I caught was disc 1 seems to be 44 minutes and disc 2 is 34 minutes.
which is 78 minutes in total so it's not worth forcing it onto a double album. (80 minutes is the limit remember), although I'm sure it will be a good album, judging from the excerpt we can see and hear at the bottom of the page
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Post by: Adami on January 27, 2020, 12:30:26 PM
I get wanting to put a long song on 2nd disk, especially if it's multiple tracks. It can get lost in the mix if the 2nd movement of a song is track 13, as opposed to track 2. It's not a super tight defense, but I'm fine with it.


I also just skimmed through it (dude way over wrote that) but did I read that the long song is entirely symphonic and vocal?
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Post by: The Walrus on January 27, 2020, 12:33:17 PM
I get wanting to put a long song on 2nd disk, especially if it's multiple tracks. It can get lost in the mix if the 2nd movement of a song is track 13, as opposed to track 2. It's not a super tight defense, but I'm fine with it.


I also just skimmed through it (dude way over wrote that) but did I read that the long song is entirely symphonic and vocal?

Ehhhhh. I'm fine with it too but SO many bands put a multi-track epic later into an album and it's never a problem I hear anybody complain about other than wondering why they're not all just put into one track (ie Kamelot's Poetry for the Poisoned).
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Post by: Adami on January 27, 2020, 12:39:57 PM
Oh totally. And Kamelot are kind of lazy with it since those "epics" are at most like 8-9 minutes and could just be one track.

But there's also a different between a 3 movement song and a ....what was it...8? I think movement one?
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Post by: The Walrus on January 27, 2020, 12:41:31 PM
Yeah. TBH though I kind of like it, sometimes, when they dedicate each movement to a track. None of the Rhapsody epics do that and it's a shame 'cause they each have hilariously epic movement names nobody pays attention to because it's all one big song  :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
Nice review, I'm interested in the album!

For being so verbose, he kinda failed however to give a proper idea of what the bigass epic sounds like. Yeah, it's orchestral inspired, from the titles of the movements you can guess more or less the feel of the track but.... dunno, I feel I don't know anything about the song while the tracks on disc 1 are better described.
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Post by: Architeuthis on January 27, 2020, 12:52:19 PM
Finally watched the "Decades" concert blu-ray, and it sounds awesome!  It has a darker vibe than the EFMB tour, even the lighting has a more of a metal vibe.  The guitar player Emppu has more shining moments in this show too.  :metal
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 27, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Nice review, I'm interested in the album!

For being so verbose, he kinda failed however to give a proper idea of what the bigass epic sounds like. Yeah, it's orchestral inspired, from the titles of the movements you can guess more or less the feel of the track but.... dunno, I feel I don't know anything about the song while the tracks on disc 1 are better described.
Maybe I've got it wrong but I took his comments about the epic as my biggest concern.  First, the main disc comes in at 44 mins.  Then the epic has no lyrics....WTF?

"ALL THE WORKS OF NATURE WHICH ADORN THE WORLD is an orchestral piece in eight movements with worldless singing"

Look,  I do enjoy instrumental tracks, but a 34 min long epic with no real lyrics?  Unless something really unexpected happens that means I have a 44 min EP to look forward too :(
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Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2020, 02:00:29 PM
worldless doesn't mean wordless, although I'm not entirely sure what that means overall
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 27, 2020, 02:05:26 PM
worldless doesn't mean wordless, although I'm not entirely sure what that means overall
I sure hope you're correct  ;D
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Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2020, 02:06:45 PM
Me too, if it's just intrumental, my interest is very much lessened
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 27, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
https://www.impe.fi/articles/1/2905?fbclid=IwAR030n2C3c4hefYwocmjeUC7aWgcYwvEuXUH_xjyOQweDMzgkEGlqE9c0zU (https://www.impe.fi/articles/1/2905?fbclid=IwAR030n2C3c4hefYwocmjeUC7aWgcYwvEuXUH_xjyOQweDMzgkEGlqE9c0zU)

A review of an album prelistening party the band had, very positive review it seems although I just skimmed it for now, I'll read the whole thing later but what I caught was disc 1 seems to be 44 minutes and disc 2 is 34 minutes.
which is 78 minutes in total so it's not worth forcing it onto a double album. (80 minutes is the limit remember), although I'm sure it will be a good album, judging from the excerpt we can see and hear at the bottom of the page

The reason for the double disc may not be a time thing, but maybe a concept thing(?) Looks like disc 1 represents human, and disc 2 represents nature. Probably wanted to separate them.
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Post by: Polarbear on January 28, 2020, 01:36:11 AM
If I remember correctly, one other Finnish publication said that Disc2 was indeed all instrumental. They described it as Lord of the Rings score meets metal.

For the record, I really liked the last Nightwish album, and I'm looking forward to checking this out!
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2020, 01:51:16 AM
If I remember correctly, one other Finnish publication said that Disc2 was indeed all instrumental. They described it as Lord of the Rings score meets metal.

Oh, no.

I mean, we still get 45 minutes of new music which back in the old days was a full album, and I'm open for experimentation but.... 34 minutes of a completely alternative and experimental piece? it feels like we're being "robbed" of hearing what Nightwish's version of Six Degrees would sound like.

Do you know that there's an album for the Imaginaerum (movie) score? it's the soundtrack of the album, of course you can recognize here and there the themes from the actual songs but in the end it's a movie score, with orchestral music and Annette sparsely singing here and there.

If the big epic is gonna be the equivalent of that, as exciting and groundbreaking it might be, it's still gonna be something totally left field and not a "regular" Nightwish epic.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 28, 2020, 02:28:47 AM
Yes I have the 'Imaginaerum Score' CD and the all orchestral version of the album, I love both, so I reckon I'll  :heart :heart :heart the new album's orchestral disc
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Post by: ErHaO on January 28, 2020, 04:07:35 AM
I mean, I enjoyed the Tuomas solo effort and also enjoy the Imaginarium score, but damnit, how can you write an album like that when you have two fantastic singers fans are dying to hear more new Nightwish studio work off. Floor just has one studio album after like 8 years with the band.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 28, 2020, 06:03:57 AM
Funny how we all love music then a band releases a song entirely music.

I won't judge until I hear the entire album myself.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 28, 2020, 06:36:35 AM
If I remember correctly, one other Finnish publication said that Disc2 was indeed all instrumental. They described it as Lord of the Rings score meets metal.

That sounds interesting and it would make sense to separate the discs then.  Kind of dampens my expectations for the album as a whole.  Disc 1 sounds like it's going to be great Nightwish, disc 2, at 34 minutes of just instrumental seems like something I'll listen to but probably not something I'll consistently return to since I just rarely listen to instrumental music in general.  I've got to imagine the breakdown of tracks of it will make it easier to pick my favorite parts and if it's anything similar to the Elven Jig they did on the last tour, I'm sure it will be fun.  Just in general, similar to Blind Guardian's latest orchestral album, it's just not something I'm immediately interested in.  Glad we are still getting "the goods" on disc 1 though.  I'm overall still excited.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2020, 06:40:39 AM
But on BG's orchestral album you still got Hansi and all the "Hansisms". If Floor is not gonna be on the mega suite, it's gonna be a bummer.

Uh well, we'll listen. I applaud their courage anyway, I wish them less backlash than DT got for The Astonishing if the mega suite is gonna be completely different  :D
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Post by: The Walrus on January 28, 2020, 06:42:09 AM
I thought that BG record was a massive disappointment even with Hansi. Overly hyped, waited far too long for something like that. Not a bad record but holy crap is it unmemorable. And I freaking love classical music/film scores.

I'll gladly take an instrumental Nightwish epic if I'm spared Tuomas's horrible lyrics.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 08:07:35 AM
Kind of dampens my expectations for the album as a whole.  Disc 1 sounds like it's going to be great Nightwish, disc 2, at 34 minutes of just instrumental seems like something I'll listen to but probably not something I'll consistently return to since I just rarely listen to instrumental music in general. 

Yeah, that's pretty close to how I feel as well.  I was cautiously optimistic about the thought of a new NW album.  But the description has me...less excited than I otherwise might be.

Uh well, we'll listen. I applaud their courage anyway

Totally.  I can completely respect when an artist bucks expectations/conventions and does what he/she wants.  But that said, that doesn't mean I will like the end result.  I can respect the creativity until the cows come home, but if it isn't something I actually enjoy listening to, I probably won't buy it.

I'll gladly take an instrumental Nightwish epic if I'm spared Tuomas's horrible lyrics.

Well, shoot.  You do make a compelling case on that point.  :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on January 28, 2020, 08:10:03 AM
 :lol

Honestly I'm thinking this could be something kind of like Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn. At least, that's what I'm hoping. That's a 36-ish mostly instrumental piece (with vocals but they're not really lyrical, just ambient I think) with all kinds of sounds and styles and instruments, and from the title it seems that's what it could be.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 08:13:40 AM
And here I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't swoon at Tuomas' "lyrical prowess."
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2020, 08:16:12 AM
:lol

Honestly I'm thinking this could be something kind of like Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn. At least, that's what I'm hoping. That's a 36-ish mostly instrumental piece (with vocals but they're not really lyrical, just ambient I think) with all kinds of sounds and styles and instruments, and from the title it seems that's what it could be.

Well, I guess we could imagine The Greatest Show on Earth with just the intro and the ambient noises in the middle mixed with some more orchestral / atmospheric stuff I guess.

And I agree with bosk - I applaud the courage to do what the hell they want without thinking in terms of "We need another Nemo", but I'll also have to like the end result.

And here I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't swoon at Tuomas' "lyrical prowess."

So you didn't vividly picture him naked, with a smile in his face, a pen and 1000 pages of erased text?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on January 28, 2020, 08:24:57 AM
As much as I get that the length/time of the album COULD fit on 1 disc, I understand the reasoning of putting it on 2.  There's an album (brilliant I might add) by a band Transcend called The Mind (thanks RJ!)... and it's 83 minutes.  So while JUST over a single CD, it's packaged digitally as a single album (not sure if they sold it physically with some edits to make it under 80 minutes).  There's a 45-minute / 8-part suite after 4 opening tracks that are 39 minutes.  I rarely go to the album, because it feels like a chore to get thru the whole thing.

So, having the long multi-part suite (ala 6 Degrees) isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 28, 2020, 08:27:12 AM
As much as I get that the length/time of the album COULD fit on 1 disc, I understand the reasoning of putting it on 2.  There's an album (brilliant I might add) by a band Transcend called The Mind (thanks RJ!)... and it's 83 minutes.  So while JUST over a single CD, it's packaged digitally as a single album (not sure if they sold it physically with some edits to make it under 80 minutes).  There's a 45-minute / 8-part suite after 4 opening tracks that are 39 minutes.  I rarely go to the album, because it feels like a chore to get thru the whole thing.

So, having the long multi-part suite (ala 6 Degrees) isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I don't want to suggest otherwise (sorry if I seemingly did), I'm very excited about this album, seriously.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 08:27:32 AM
And here I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't swoon at Tuomas' "lyrical prowess."

So you didn't vividly picture him naked, with a smile in his face, a pen and 1000 pages of erased text?

I have precious little time for such fantasizing.

...so when I do, I save it for picturing Adami.  :heybaby:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 28, 2020, 08:31:18 AM
I took "wordless singing" to mean Floor is Great Gig In The Skying on this one. That'll do me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 08:31:47 AM
As much as I get that the length/time of the album COULD fit on 1 disc, I understand the reasoning of putting it on 2.  There's an album (brilliant I might add) by a band Transcend called The Mind (thanks RJ!)... and it's 83 minutes.  So while JUST over a single CD, it's packaged digitally as a single album (not sure if they sold it physically with some edits to make it under 80 minutes).  There's a 45-minute / 8-part suite after 4 opening tracks that are 39 minutes.  I rarely go to the album, because it feels like a chore to get thru the whole thing.

So, having the long multi-part suite (ala 6 Degrees) isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, you make a really good point.  I don't disagree with that at all.  It's just that, for me, I find it difficult to get past the format of such a huge portion of the album being something I probably won't have any desire to listen to after the first listen or two.  45 minutes of content that I actually would want to listen to seems meager in comparison.  Granted, there are a lot of albums where I maybe like only about 45 minutes worth, and the rest is just "filler" to me.  But it just feels like a bigger mental hurdle when a huge chunk of the content is supposed to be this huge centerpiece and focus of the album, and I don't care about it at all, ya' know?  I mean, I'm not trying to say that Tuomas should change how he chooses to express his artistic vision just because some fans may not like it--far from it!  I'm just say that, for me, this may not work.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on January 28, 2020, 08:32:15 AM
And here I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't swoon at Tuomas' "lyrical prowess."

So you didn't vividly picture him naked, with a smile in his face, a pen and 1000 pages of erased text?

I have precious little time for such fantasizing.

...so when I do, I save it for picturing Adami.  :heybaby:

Me too, but it's Stadler in an I'm With Hillary shirt.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 28, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
I heard a rumor that the wordless singing in the epic is handled by none other than Geddy Lee doing his trademark yodel for 34 minutes. Can't wait!

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 28, 2020, 09:13:23 AM
I heard a rumor that the wordless singing in the epic is handled by none other than Geddy Lee doing his trademark yodel for 34 minutes. Can't wait!

 :biggrin:
hehe good one, seriously. I'd love to have James and Geddy harmonise with Floor too :D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on January 28, 2020, 09:59:22 AM
What's this Geddy yodeling everyone keeps talking about?  Example please.

 If disc two of the new Nightwish album is all instrumental,  I wonder if it is Tuomas's way of punishing Floor for having too many side projects.   :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 29, 2020, 03:13:49 PM
Nemo in intimate form by Floor and Marcel Visser band (from that tv show a while back)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzVhCTTJ2c (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzVhCTTJ2c)

Seeing that show tomorrow, looking forward to it. I hope she will record one of the concerts or does a studiosession with them. She will do intimate versions of songs spanning her career.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 29, 2020, 03:19:11 PM
Enjoy it, you lucky one!  :metal I don't follow her to the point of knowing how she behaves in every single concert / intimate setting, but she gives me the idea of being a loveable and normal person, someone with whom you could have a casual chat while taking a coffee, and that happens to be an incredibly amazing singer. I think it's one of those cases where you walk way having enjoyed both the performance and the person.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2020, 03:24:20 PM
Yea, Floor comes off as a very nice person.  I've never met her, but she spreads positive vibes and is an amazing singer.

I've had Simone Simons as my favorite female vocalist for so long now, but the more of Floor I experience, the closer she gets to catching up and maybe passing Simone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 29, 2020, 03:28:39 PM
And here I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't swoon at Tuomas' "lyrical prowess."
The man writes fantastic neologisms and his turns of phrase are, like, second to none. There's a thematic unity in his work that makes it so appealing to analyze. And I greatly respect the desire to just lay it all out there, and not give a rat's ass about appearing uncool - they have, what, three songs about liking fairy tales and Disney movies? and reddit.com/r/atheism lyrics post-2010? You gotta respect the guts in that :lol

but there's too much of him in there and I just don't really like the guy  :corn
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 29, 2020, 09:18:13 PM
Floor is a very nice person. I saw her at this local pizza spot, she was with her dude. I askes if I could get a pic. She said yeah after she got done eating.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 30, 2020, 04:37:39 AM
I know someone who met Tarja once, he said she was lovely.

Floor has that beautiful quality of being able to say something like "I am a great singer" and convey that she simply means it matter-of-factly, and she's not boasting or on an ego trip or something. It's a real European trait.

As for Tuomas' lyrics, well, I admire him for writing about different subjects and all, but the end result is often clumsy and clunky. I wouldn't call them neologisms so much as someone for whom English is a second language getting grammar and syntax wrong. I mean:

"At the end of the river the sun down beams
 All the relics of a life long lived
Here, weary traveller rest your wand
Sleep the journey from your eyes"


The sun down beams? What does that mean? The sun beams down? The sunset is beaming? It just sounds wrong to a natural English speaker. Not criticising in any way, his English is better than my Finnish, but I would never hold that up as an example of a great lyric, and Nightwish are full of this sort of clunky grammar.

I'm off to lie down and sleep the journey from my eyes...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on January 30, 2020, 05:13:39 AM
"Sleep the journey from your eyes" is a wonderful line.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2020, 06:55:30 AM
I know someone who met Tarja once, he said she was lovely.

I met Tarja at Progpower 2018.  It was a very rare time where I suddenly became star struct, which is weird.  I was amazed by her beauty and her immediate eye contact and engagement.  I kind of just stood there with my ticket stub for her to sign and she just started laughing at my sudden quiet awkwardness and then I apologized and she laughed some more and cracked a joke.  Really lovely, not at all what I expected (not that I expected her to be mean or anything, just didn't think she would be THAT awesome in person especially at a meet and greet where she did that for like an hour, also she looked much more amazing in person). 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on January 30, 2020, 07:06:50 AM
"Sleep the journey from your eyes" is a wonderful line.

I don't mind that one much. Sometimes European bands for whom English is their second language use some interesting turns of phrase. Sometimes they come out a mess, other times they sound poetic, like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 30, 2020, 07:13:36 AM
That line is so convoluted that, while I perfectly understand it, I don't even know where to begin to translate it in italian  :lol we just don't have that kind of creative use for verbs. And probably neither the english language  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 30, 2020, 07:45:32 AM
Oh I would definitely pin some of that on the ESL factor, but not all, and especially not after the first few albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on January 30, 2020, 08:04:57 AM
Did his lyrics get considerably worse after Once or something? I feel like up to that point he wasn't exactly fantastic at writing lyrics but there wasn't anything that I found super cringe-worthy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on January 30, 2020, 08:06:32 AM
He has some really poetic stuff, some very meh stuff, and some WTF stuff.

The only lyrics of his that REALLY just turned me off were on EFMB (the album). Him describing evolution and science and "greet a blade of grass" or whatever just felt bad. Like when Iced Earth wrote wikipedia articles as lyrics for The Glorious Burden or whatever.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 30, 2020, 08:22:52 AM
I feel like the focus has shifted after Once, and so did the topics, which can be hit or miss for some people (obviously a miss for a lot of people in here).

Who's better at writing insults, Tuomas or Mike Portnoy? "Happy hunting, you double-faced carnivore" vs "You're the rotted root in the family tree"?  "Blame me, it's me, coward, a good-for-nothing scapegoat; dumb kid, living a dream, romantic only on paper" vs "They all bought into your contrived sincerity, and how you wore your heart and soul right on your sleeve; with false sensitivity, you cut yourself open so people would adore you"  :corn
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2020, 08:30:07 AM
I think this insult lyric takes the cake (it's neither of the two people above, but somewhat related to NW)

Quote
Your children will hate you forever
Your graces they faded so fast
You've fallen so far form what was your throne
Despised now wherever you go

 :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on January 30, 2020, 08:31:04 AM
I think this insult lyric takes the cake (it's neither of the two people above, but somewhat related to NW)

Quote
Your children will hate you forever
Your graces they faded so fast
You've fallen so far form what was your throne
Despised now wherever you go

 :lol

Who is it?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2020, 08:35:15 AM
I think this insult lyric takes the cake (it's neither of the two people above, but somewhat related to NW)

Quote
Your children will hate you forever
Your graces they faded so fast
You've fallen so far form what was your throne
Despised now wherever you go

 :lol

Who is it?

https://youtu.be/kpxBDnqWkYI?t=91 (https://youtu.be/kpxBDnqWkYI?t=91)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 30, 2020, 09:02:42 AM
Lol Jani Liimatainen is great at jabs too. "It is better to feel just something else than live in that uncertainty, so tell me now, how was he? and tell me, was he worth it?" always gets me and "No one is flawless but baby I'm the worst" always cracks me up  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 30, 2020, 09:15:28 AM
I know someone who met Tarja once, he said she was lovely.

I met Tarja at Progpower 2018.  It was a very rare time where I suddenly became star struct, which is weird.  I was amazed by her beauty and her immediate eye contact and engagement.  I kind of just stood there with my ticket stub for her to sign and she just started laughing at my sudden quiet awkwardness and then I apologized and she laughed some more and cracked a joke.  Really lovely, not at all what I expected (not that I expected her to be mean or anything, just didn't think she would be THAT awesome in person especially at a meet and greet where she did that for like an hour, also she looked much more amazing in person).

I remember that. I laughed too. I was behind you and just laughed in my head.

I still can't believe though. I met Tarja.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2020, 09:16:29 AM
Yea, looking back, that was really awesome and special.  Like, how cool was that? And that's all part of the progpower festival.  This is why I keep coming back.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 30, 2020, 05:34:04 PM
Well, the Floor show at 013 was fantastic! Honestly one of my favourite concert experiences in recent memory. The variation of the repetoire was great and the performances were mostly stellar. Surprised they played quite a bit of metal here and there. And her stage banter was good too, this is usually not one of Nightwish's highlight, so that was a surprise to me.

Setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/floor-jansen/2020/poppodium-013-tilburg-netherlands-1b9891f4.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/floor-jansen/2020/poppodium-013-tilburg-netherlands-1b9891f4.html)

My highlights probably were Face Your Demons (did not know the song, not thst familiar with After Forever) and Slow, Love, Slow.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2020, 05:36:37 PM
Slow love slow? that's a surprise, but pretty cool.  Actually got to see Annette play that in NYC

But that set as a whole is awesome, including the Northward songs.  That album really grew on me although I wish she played the song Northward, seems perfect for an overall less metal set
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on January 31, 2020, 09:50:26 AM
I REALLLLLLLY hope this is released some day.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 31, 2020, 10:04:50 AM
I REALLLLLLLY hope this is released some day.

I'd be surprised if it is.  Floor planned this whole tour herself (from what I've read from Hannes' comments commending her).  I don't know if she has had any assistance from the TV station in the Netherlands.  She may not have the funding to record and release the live show.

I think she's just capitalizing on her success from winning that TV show by doing a small solo tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2020, 10:12:51 AM
I REALLLLLLLY hope this is released some day.

I'd be surprised if it is.  Floor planned this whole tour herself (from what I've read from Hannes' comments commending her).  I don't know if she has had any assistance from the TV station in the Netherlands.  She may not have the funding to record and release the live show.

I think she's just capitalizing on her success from winning that TV show by doing a small solo tour.

Yea, given how this played out, I kind of doubt she will be recording and releasing a polished release, but given the success, I could see her planning a show and recording for release at some point.  She's very popular at the moment and has some drawing power to get a record deal for it I'd imagine.  She could get even more guests for such a show as well.  I actually really like this idea now that I've typed it out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 31, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
Well, she had some tv/radio appearances and did some of these tracks. Unfortunately some of these either have bad sound of have Floor sounding a bit off (which, save for a select few notes during the extremely diverse set, wasn't the case at all at 013, she was fantastic).

I do hope they will make some audio recording. I can see NPO2 (the public tv station, meaning they are not commercial) being down for it, actually, considering she won prizes and the tv show is massively succesful. They frequently broadcast concerts.

Anyways, here is a recent broadcast featuring some songs and the talking bits are kindly translated by a Dutch fan:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfUfKIBs3k (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfUfKIBs3k) (radio show, the concert parts are actually filmed well).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 02, 2020, 01:30:50 AM
First interview with Tuomas/Kai shedding some light on the new album. Can’t wait for it!

https://youtu.be/Ry1q2DXB9Go
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 06, 2020, 06:07:54 AM
And now we know the length of all the pieces and the album: 81:31 for the album and 30:58 for the long piece. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human._:II:_Nature.)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2020, 06:37:35 AM
So it wouldn't fint on a single disc actually.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
So it wouldn't fint on a single disc actually.

Toumas added some extra animal noises to the end to make it long enough to justify this  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2020, 06:55:48 AM
So it wouldn't fint on a single disc actually.

Toumas added some extra animal noises to the end to make it long enough to justify this  :biggrin:

I'm surprised he didn't round it up to actually 31:00  ;D but sometimes the measuring differs on various systems, I'm sure DT / MP specifically wanted Finally Free to be exactly 12 minutes long but sometimes it shows as 11:59. Same for Octavarium I believe, it could vary depending on the support between 23:59 and 24:00.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on February 06, 2020, 07:27:54 AM
Now that I know the second disc is no vocals, I am getting a bit more warmed up to the idea. I read an interview of Tuomas that the first part will focus on humanity and is very vocally driven, using all three vocalists. And the second disc will focus on nature and will be an orchestral epic. The first disc will apparently not have an orchestra, to leave more room for the band and vocals.

Thinking about it, it is not that bad. Wishmaster and Oceanborn are approximately 49 and 53 minutes. And at least Tuomas is able to create compelling intrumental tracks.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2020, 07:32:51 AM
Yea, even if the epic instrumental isn't my thing, it seems we are still getting a full nightwish album, and not having an orchestra actually sounds interesting.  They have two amazing vocalists, using them more is perfect, plus with Troy, do they needed the added orchestrations?  This band can make good music just themselves and that's actually kind of exciting.  The epic seems like an awesome bonus disc in some ways.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 06, 2020, 07:53:49 AM
Yea, I'm actually excited for the lack of orchestra on disk 1. I've loved Nightwish since I think Wishmaster, and so I was fine with them pre-orchestra. I feel like they used the orchestra REALLY well but need to change things up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on February 06, 2020, 09:08:31 AM
I like how the wikipedia album page says:

Quote
Marco Hietala – bass guitar, male vocals, acoustic guitar, backing vocal

Good thing they clarified it, I thought Marco did female vocals on the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on February 07, 2020, 03:19:25 AM
Noise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWK7OeYlJFw)

Listened to it once and thought the chorus was a bit underwhelming... yet it's already stuck in my head :lol I like the "C-part" as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: pfillion on February 07, 2020, 06:08:08 AM
New video

https://youtu.be/LczGSoibRe8
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on February 07, 2020, 06:25:50 AM
That's a ridiculously catchy song.  I like it....I'm not expecting anything different than the usual Nightwish formula now, after so many albums.  They just do this stuff so well.  That's a much better first single than Elan was.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dave_Manchester on February 07, 2020, 06:32:12 AM
Nightwish by numbers. Great, in other words. Really missed these guys, it's been a long 5 years.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on February 07, 2020, 06:35:46 AM
Enjoyed the vid but I have heard about 50 variations of that riff from Nightwish  ::)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on February 07, 2020, 06:39:57 AM
Enjoyed the vid but I have heard about 50 variations of that riff from Nightwish  ::)

Yeah this is pretty much my thoughts. The video is clearly high-effort, but this riff was like on each of the last three albums. I don't know, maybe I'm not in the mood for symphonic metal today, but both this song and new Delain were fairly underwhelming for me. Didn't help that I fell asleep on the second half of the new Delain.

For now after one listen (and I know I'm probably in the minority here), Elan was way better for me if we're comparing singles.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 07, 2020, 06:58:54 AM
The riff was by the numbers, but the song is a lot more than the riff.

The song itself was great. Obviously Nightwish, but a bit more dark and stripped down. Also Floor sounded fantastic.

Overall, really liked the song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dave_Manchester on February 07, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
For now after one listen (and I know I'm probably in the minority here), Elan was way better for me if we're comparing singles.

I loved Elan. Lyrics were a bit ropy but musically it's a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 07, 2020, 07:08:54 AM
Which riff? the Storytime / Shudder Before the Beautiful / Dark Chest of Wonders one?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on February 07, 2020, 07:09:37 AM
Enjoyed the vid but I have heard about 50 variations of that riff from Nightwish  ::)

Yeah this is pretty much my thoughts. The video is clearly high-effort, but this riff was like on each of the last three albums. .

Nightwish has tended to let the keys or orchestra carry the song melodies over the last handful of records, definitely since Once.  Maybe even going back to Century Child.  The riffs end up being a big, chunky thing behind all of that to carry a big headbanging groove. 

That's what I expect.  The guitar riffs are rarely memorable, but they write some amazing orchestrations around them that make the songs so memorable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on February 07, 2020, 07:20:00 AM
This song is the definition of filler, really hope it's just another case of the single being whatever the most boring accessible track is. Tuomas still in love with that boring string patch and quaver rhythm over the boring chuggy guitar riff I see. I couldn't understand half the lyrics, no real comment on those, but Floor's melodies aren't that compelling to listen to
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2020, 07:57:23 AM
The riff was by the numbers, but the song is a lot more than the riff.

The song itself was great. Obviously Nightwish, but a bit more dark and stripped down. Also Floor sounded fantastic.

Overall, really liked the song.

This is about where I am as well.

Silly question:  Anyone know who the blonde is?  I would normally assume just a random actress for the video.  But it's odd in this video because, other than the child, she is the only person featured so prominently who is not a band member. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
The riff was by the numbers, but the song is a lot more than the riff.

The song itself was great. Obviously Nightwish, but a bit more dark and stripped down. Also Floor sounded fantastic.

Overall, really liked the song.

This is about where I am as well.

Silly question:  Anyone know who the blonde is?  I would normally assume just a random actress for the video.  But it's odd in this video because, other than the child, she is the only person featured so prominently who is not a band member.

Just someone to show some booty it seems.

I also agree with this take on the song, very similar Nightwish and yet, still a solid song.  It's the single, I don't expect this to be the best the album has to offer, so I'm just happy its a good song, the single doesn't need to blow me away here.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2020, 08:23:48 AM
The riff was by the numbers, but the song is a lot more than the riff.

The song itself was great. Obviously Nightwish, but a bit more dark and stripped down. Also Floor sounded fantastic.

Overall, really liked the song.

This is about where I am as well.

Silly question:  Anyone know who the blonde is?  I would normally assume just a random actress for the video.  But it's odd in this video because, other than the child, she is the only person featured so prominently who is not a band member.

Just someone to show some booty it seems.

Yeah, I mean, that's nothing new for a music video.  But in this one, it just seems...I dunno, kinda asymmetrical given that, again, all the adult "actors" whose faces are shown are members of the band.  And everything in the video seems deliberate to convey a message.  I feel like there is some connection that I must be missing.  Maybe I'm just overthinking it, but that stuck out to me. 

EDIT:  On a different note, the YouTube autoplay has been playing videos nonstop after the Nightwish song from some band called Helloween.  One of the singers kinda looks and sounds like one of the dudes from Avantasia.  Anyone know of them?  They sound pretty good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on February 07, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
EDIT:  On a different note, the YouTube autoplay has been playing videos nonstop after the Nightwish song from some band called Helloween.  One of the singers kinda looks and sounds like one of the dudes from Avantasia.  Anyone know of them?  They sound pretty good.

(https://i.imgur.com/VOstqvr.gif)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2020, 09:13:31 AM
 :lol the one time when TAC can point something out and he's no where to be found
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on February 07, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
So Emppu is like the Jon Schaffer of Symphonic Metal. The song was OK. Gotta say, I'm disappointed with Delain too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 07, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
I thought the song was pretty good. Even though it has that Dark Chest of Wonders riff,  they did things different within the song for it to stand out. It's got good energy and Floor is shining finally.

I laughed hard when Floor yelled at the girl through that horn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 07, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
While I really liked the song, I totally get why some people might be not too into it because of how Nightwish it sounds.

I feel that way about other bands that others love. For some reason, it didn't deter me with this song as much as some of the stuff on EFMB did or how bands like Amaranthe, or Kamelot, or whatever have all kind of just become repetitive machines.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 07, 2020, 01:47:20 PM
Quote from: Evermind
link=topic=8645.msg2627085#msg2627085 date=1581082546
... both this song and new Delain were fairly underwhelming for me. Didn't help that I fell asleep on the second half of the new Delain.

I'm going to see Delain on Sunday night, and yeah, the new album isn't all that 🙁  Kinda hoping they don't play too much of it...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
Sucks to hear about the new Delain, I was going to check it out tonight (and still will) but enjoyed the singles so kind of expected a solid album
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on February 07, 2020, 02:36:40 PM
Silly question:  Anyone know who the blonde is?

Since no one ever reads the ending credits... Jessica Edström ;) She's a freelance model and an Instagram personality, which is fitting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2020, 03:20:10 PM
OK, so definitely not a musician or someone with a known relationship to the band.  OK.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: RoeDent on February 08, 2020, 11:34:49 AM
Sounds like one of those "Old man yells at cloud" things like The Sound of Muzak that's getting boring now. People need to accept that times have changed. Technology is here to stay forever. Embrace it or shut up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 08, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
Well, I think not much technology per se, but the abuse and the over-reliance on technology is what is being criticized.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Sounds like one of those "Old man yells at cloud" things like The Sound of Muzak that's getting boring now. People need to accept that times have changed. Technology is here to stay forever. Embrace it or shut up.

Not really though, I think even with this music video, they are showing examples of how they themselves are just as active and into technologies.  I think that's why it features the members themselves taking selfies.  I feel the same way myself, I don't really love social media and yet I am active and involved in it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 08, 2020, 01:43:58 PM
The new single has me thankful that Floor did that Northward album. I always wanted her in Nightwish, but it seems it might be a bit late. Not that the song was bad, but she is not really featured in a way that she should be.

The sad thing is, I really liked where After Forever was going. I think Joost really brought something to the band that made those last couple of records really good. I almost kinda wish they would get back together. Joost has been knocking it out of the park lately as a writer/producer and I think a new After Forever record could be really special. Don't think it will ever happen though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on February 08, 2020, 04:02:30 PM
The new single has me thankful that Floor did that Northward album. I always wanted her in Nightwish, but it seems it might be a bit late. Not that the song was bad, but she is not really featured in a way that she should be.

The sad thing is, I really liked where After Forever was going. I think Joost really brought something to the band that made those last couple of records really good. I almost kinda wish they would get back together. Joost has been knocking it out of the park lately as a writer/producer and I think a new After Forever record could be really special. Don't think it will ever happen though.

Agree with all that.    Floor is great with them live but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that Nightwish know how to make the most of her in the studio.  And that last After Forever album was their best IMHO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 08, 2020, 05:04:06 PM
The new single has me thankful that Floor did that Northward album. I always wanted her in Nightwish, but it seems it might be a bit late. Not that the song was bad, but she is not really featured in a way that she should be.

The sad thing is, I really liked where After Forever was going. I think Joost really brought something to the band that made those last couple of records really good. I almost kinda wish they would get back together. Joost has been knocking it out of the park lately as a writer/producer and I think a new After Forever record could be really special. Don't think it will ever happen though.

Agree with all that.    Floor is great with them live but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that Nightwish know how to make the most of her in the studio.  And that last After Forever album was their best IMHO.

Agreed on that last album comment. I forgot to mention that, but I feel the same. They did go out on a real high note, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2020, 05:10:58 PM
I prefer invisible circles (minus the voice acting) but their last album was really good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 08, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
Yeah, Floor's incredible but I have yet to be particularly impressed (or even interested, honestly) with the music Nightwish is doing with her.

I don't know, maybe I just miss Anette. I still listen to Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum pretty often.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 08, 2020, 07:30:01 PM
I prefer invisible circles (minus the voice acting) but their last album was really good.

Oof, the voice acting. Yeah, I made custom edits to the tracks to remove all of that when I ripped the CD.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mister Gold on February 08, 2020, 11:03:40 PM
I have to say Nightwish with Floor have put out two top tier live albums with Showtime, Storytime and Decades (haven't heard enough from Vehicle of the Spirit to comment on that one). The band's never sounded better live IMO and I typically just listen to those live albums because I usually prefer how Floor sings the older material live over how Tarja or Anette sang them.

At the same time, Tuomas does seem to have passed his peak in songwriting for the band and doesn't seem quite confident in how to make the most of Floor's range and voice in new material.

I will say though that "Noise" has me more excited than I was when I first heard "Elan" five years ago. It's not Floor's best work, but all things considered, I would say it's generally a better demonstration of what Floor is capable of a singer. She's belting out a lot more, using more of her range and hits several solid high notes at the end of each chorus. As the first singles always seems to be the most ordinary song on a Nightwish album, hopefully this bodes well for the rest of the album.

Also I'll throw my support onto After Forever's last album being top tier stuff. Almost certainly Floor's best work ever and I'd love to hear her do more original work in other bands too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 10, 2020, 04:01:49 AM
I have to say Nightwish with Floor have put out two top tier live albums with Showtime, Storytime and Decades (haven't heard enough from Vehicle of the Spirit to comment on that one).

If you think Showtime and Decades are top tier, you need to hear Vehicles - it knocks the other two out of the park.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2020, 08:55:18 AM
I have to say Nightwish with Floor have put out two top tier live albums with Showtime, Storytime and Decades (haven't heard enough from Vehicle of the Spirit to comment on that one).

If you think Showtime and Decades are top tier, you need to hear Vehicles - it knocks the other two out of the park.

Definitely better than Showtime Storytime IMO.  Decades is just a different animal with the focus on the odler songs to compare.  VoS is a really good live album/blu-ray.  Highly recommended. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 10, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
I have to say Nightwish with Floor have put out two top tier live albums with Showtime, Storytime and Decades (haven't heard enough from Vehicle of the Spirit to comment on that one).

If you think Showtime and Decades are top tier, you need to hear Vehicles - it knocks the other two out of the park.

Definitely better than Showtime Storytime IMO.  Decades is just a different animal with the focus on the odler songs to compare.  VoS is a really good live album/blu-ray.  Highly recommended.

I would definately get the Blu-Ray if you can. The Tampere show, I feel, has the best Floor performance plus has very different set-list including Sleeping Sun.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 12, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
MARKO HIETALA - War Pigs (Black Sabbath Cover) – Live in Prague 2020 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7geuBf-ofc)
 :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 13, 2020, 03:02:15 AM

I would definately get the Blu-Ray if you can. The Tampere show, I feel, has the best Floor performance plus has very different set-list including Sleeping Sun.

That last note of Ghost Love Score on the Tampere show - gets me every time, total Floorgasm.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 08:58:34 AM
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   In September we will play a select amount of dates in North America!

September 8 - Canada - Toronto - Meridian Hall
Tickets

September 11 - United States - Los Angeles - The Hollywood Palladium
Tickets

September 12 - United States - Los Angeles - The Hollywood Palladium
Tickets

September 15 - United States - New York- Terminal Five 

Hell yea, not sure why they arent doing a full tour. Seems similar to what Epica just did, LA, NYC and Canada but I plan on being at Terminal 5   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Quote
   In September we will play a select amount of dates in North America!

September 8 - Canada - Toronto - Meridian Hall
Tickets

September 11 - United States - Los Angeles - The Hollywood Palladium
Tickets

September 12 - United States - Los Angeles - The Hollywood Palladium
Tickets

September 15 - United States - New York- Terminal Five 

Hell yea, not sure why they arent doing a full tour. Seems similar to what Epica just did, LA, NYC and Canada but I plan on being at Terminal 5   :metal

Assuming I'm still in New York, I'll be there too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on February 17, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
Go figure they skip Chicago. Of course. You coasters have absolutely no idea how lucky ya'll are when it comes to concerts...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 09:32:11 AM
They are skipping all of the US if that is it, and it seems possible that's it with only a few days off between LA and NYC.  Very odd.

Adami, I guess you don't know your September plans, but I am going to be buying my tickets Friday.  I worry this will sell out.  Terminal 5 is a pretty big GA venue, but NW continue to sell well in NYC and without other shows, I imagine people all along the east coast will travel and probably sell it out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 09:36:20 AM
They are skipping all of the US if that is it, and it seems possible that's it with only a few days off between LA and NYC.  Very odd.

Adami, I guess you don't know your September plans, but I am going to be buying my tickets Friday.  I worry this will sell out.  Terminal 5 is a pretty big GA venue, but NW continue to sell well in NYC and without other shows, I imagine people all along the east coast will travel and probably sell it out.

Tickets are on sale Friday? Yea, I'll buy some. I plan on staying in New York, and unless they're crazy expensive, it's worth the risk.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 17, 2020, 10:11:33 AM
Two shows at Hollywood Palladium?  Sure, I'll try to go to one of these.  I didn't go to their show in Anaheim last time because I thought it was too expensive for me to go to.  Tickets were for like $80.00 for the furthest back sections.  The Palladium is about twice as large as the venue in Anaheim, so I'm hoping tickets are cheaper are more reasonable this time (like under $60.00 for a GA spot), but I imagine some people from the Pacific NorthWest that is willing to travel south for this, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 10:27:33 AM
They are skipping all of the US if that is it, and it seems possible that's it with only a few days off between LA and NYC.  Very odd.

Adami, I guess you don't know your September plans, but I am going to be buying my tickets Friday.  I worry this will sell out.  Terminal 5 is a pretty big GA venue, but NW continue to sell well in NYC and without other shows, I imagine people all along the east coast will travel and probably sell it out.

Tickets are on sale Friday? Yea, I'll buy some. I plan on staying in New York, and unless they're crazy expensive, it's worth the risk.

It won't be cheap that's for sure.  Price: $69.50 - $129.00, so 70 before fees for GA, probably ~90 bucks for a ticket.  Pretty expensive if you ask me for a one band show... but I love NW so it's worth it for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
I've been fortunate to see a decent amount of NW shows in America. Saw their very first headlining show in Brooklyn. Saw them with Annette twice I think, each had that Native dude come on. Saw them with floor twice, including their first few shows with her.

They're almost always a band who delivers. One time with Annette they all looked miserable, but other than that they've been fantastic. So worth it for me to pay 90 for a ticket.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 17, 2020, 11:11:56 AM
Quote
   In September we will play a select amount of dates in North America!

September 8 - Canada - Toronto - Meridian Hall
Tickets

September 11 - United States - Los Angeles - The Hollywood Palladium
Tickets

September 12 - United States - Los Angeles - The Hollywood Palladium
Tickets

September 15 - United States - New York- Terminal Five 

Hell yea, not sure why they arent doing a full tour. Seems similar to what Epica just did, LA, NYC and Canada but I plan on being at Terminal 5   :metal

I'll be at ProgPower the dates I could attend.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 17, 2020, 11:13:35 AM
Those can’t be the only US dates they’re doing for this tour. I mean, if this album is as ambitious as it’s shaping up to be, they need to do a proper leg.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 11:16:08 AM
Those can’t be the only US dates they’re doing for this tour. I mean, if this album is as ambitious as it’s shaping up to be, they need to do a proper leg.

It does seem very odd, but I'd imagine they will still do a full tour just maybe not this year.  I don't really get it myself, but Epica just did the same thing this January and then they said they will do a full US tour later.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 17, 2020, 11:19:21 AM
Those can’t be the only US dates they’re doing for this tour. I mean, if this album is as ambitious as it’s shaping up to be, they need to do a proper leg.

It does seem very odd, but I'd imagine they will still do a full tour just maybe not this year.  I don't really get it myself, but Epica just did the same thing this January and then they said they will do a full US tour later.

I wonder if they'll announce Japanese or Australian dates. Then it would make sense why only those dates, do a couple dates in the US while traveling towards those places.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 11:31:00 AM
So do you guys think that 30 minute or whatever song will ever be played live?

Nightwish has said (I think) that they aren't likely to play with an orchestra live (or at least tour with one) and if the song is largely orchestral, I guess it'll just never be played live? Or maybe once for a one time only orchestra show?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 17, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
If the song is instrumental as early reviews seem to hint, no way they're gonna play it live. At best a movement will serve to either the intro or the outro to the show (or both), like it happened with the song Imaginaerum.

Shows with an orchestra are gimmicky by now, but Nightwish's music is more than justified to have a go for it. And Floor would kill it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 11:37:59 AM
If the song is instrumental as early reviews seem to hint, no way they're gonna play it live. At best a movement will serve to either the intro or the outro to the show (or both), like it happened with the song Imaginaerum.

Shows with an orchestra are gimmicky by now, but Nightwish's music is more than justified to have a go for it. And Floor would kill it.

Both great points. I forgot about opening/closing music.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 11:38:44 AM
I can see them doing some of the individual tracks live since the song is broken down. They did the Elven jig which was a nice instrumental song last tour so they could sneak one in I'd bet. Not sure they will though but I doubt the whole thing will get played just wouldn't bet against some of it making it's way into the set.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 11:48:08 AM
Found this on reddit:

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“Ok, we were planning a big tour in us and canada but unfortunately the other band stepped away from that tour and this what we have for you north america at the moment.”

From Kai Hahto’s FB

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For anyone hopeful they could find another band and add more dates, Kai said on his Facebook that it is "too late for this year schedule".

damn, that sucks
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on February 17, 2020, 11:55:45 AM
Dang, they don't even need another band.  It sounds like management screwed this one up.  :justjen
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 17, 2020, 12:00:15 PM
How about some fan police work (the same that brought to identify the members of Sons of Apollo) and guess which band could it be? it must not be at all costs a label partner, but it has to be a band that would make sense in a bill with Nightwish and that has a new albm recently out or on its way, and that hasn't just toured the US....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on February 17, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
"The other band" may suggest it would've been a co-headlining tour with a relatively popular artist, so you can start crossing over from there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 12:24:29 PM
"The other band" may suggest it would've been a co-headlining tour with a relatively popular artist, so you can start crossing over from there.

That's what I'm thinking.  They might have been shooting for a bigger tour and replacing this bigger band wouldn't be possible.  If it were a smaller band, I'd imagine they could find a suitable replacement to not have to get promoters worried about losing money.  A big band dropping would drastically change things.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on February 17, 2020, 12:31:22 PM
"The other band" may suggest it would've been a co-headlining tour with a relatively popular artist, so you can start crossing over from there.

That's what I'm thinking.  They might have been shooting for a bigger tour and replacing this bigger band wouldn't be possible.

Kai said in the comments of that FB post they were aiming for even larger venues (than the upcoming shows) with a bigger production, so that pretty much confirms it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 17, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
Kamelot did two North American runs on their tour already, and they're going into the studio, so they're out. Children of Bodom had shows planned up until summer when they imploded, so perhaps they were negotiating something like this for the fall. Sonata Arctica just did one NA run last fall, and they have scheduled Europe, Finland, South America and festivals all until this fall, so perhaps it was them and they decided to take a break instead. And Amorphis is on the exact same schedule, and they've been doing a lot of co-headlining tours recently, so I'd put my money on them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on February 17, 2020, 01:21:47 PM
Sabaton?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 01:25:00 PM
Kamelot did two North American runs on their tour already, and they're going into the studio, so they're out. Children of Bodom had shows planned up until summer when they imploded, so perhaps they were negotiating something like this for the fall. Sonata Arctica just did one NA run last fall, and they have scheduled Europe, Finland, South America and festivals all until this fall, so perhaps it was them and they decided to take a break instead. And Amorphis is on the exact same schedule, and they've been doing a lot of co-headlining tours recently, so I'd put my money on them.

Are any of those bands big enough in NA to do a coheadling tour? Maybe Sonata Arctica like 10 yars ago.

Kamelot, for sure, but I doubt it's them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 17, 2020, 02:01:24 PM
Sabaton?

That would be pretty darn awkward as Floor's married to their drummer no?  I don't think it's Within Temptation either as they did a solid US tour, last year, for their latest album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 17, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
Are any of those bands big enough in NA to do a coheadling tour? Maybe Sonata Arctica like 10 yars ago.

Kamelot, for sure, but I doubt it's them.
Actually, Sonata was just gearing up in NA 10+ years ago. So five years ago  :lol

I'm surprised Amo isn't on your radar. They're the exact kind of band I would think about for something like this, along with Sabaton. Not a lot of bands on exactly the same level as Nightwish for sure...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on February 17, 2020, 02:08:59 PM
maybe it's wintersun and they had to drop so jari can crowdfund another jacuzzi lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on February 17, 2020, 02:52:29 PM
I'm surprised Amo isn't on your radar. They're the exact kind of band I would think about for something like this, along with Sabaton. Not a lot of bands on exactly the same level as Nightwish for sure...

Amorphis wouldn't draw in the crowd and money alongside Nightwish in NA to justify venues that large, sadly. These five are at venues with 3000+ capacity already, so they'd be the "special guests" at best in anything larger. Children of Bodom was the only comparable Finnish act to fit this bill, so the other band may not even "make sense" alongside Nightwish like MirrorMask suggested. Sabaton is a possibility, though I think they toured NA quite recently.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 17, 2020, 02:54:45 PM
Yeah, maybe we're looking too much at stuff that makes sense. Any freakin' large bands shopping for a co-headlining tour in NA right now, call me on the phone, I just wanna ask some questions  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 03:07:44 PM
 :lol Sabaton does come to mind, they toured NA last fall to almost an entirely sold out tour.  Them plus Nightwish would definitely elevate the tour to a new level.  Having said that, it wasn't that long ago that Nightwish/Sabaton/Delain toured NA together playing 2k venues.  Since then Sabaton has gotten much bigger and Nightwish has as well.  That show was actually the first time I saw Sabaton... and I stole a light bulb from the venue  :lol  :huh:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 17, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Sabaton opened for them on the EFMB tour. It was awesome!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 04:33:09 PM
Has Amaranthe opened for them? I feel like they'd be a pretty ideal touring partner.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2020, 04:56:11 PM
Has Amaranthe opened for them? I feel like they'd be a pretty ideal touring partner.

Amaranthe are touring NA already shortly before these dats.  Come to Gramercy Theater to see them with Battle Beast and Seven Spires August 22nd  :metal

I'm not sure if they have toured together though, but they definitely are not big enough to be the band speculated
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Has Amaranthe opened for them? I feel like they'd be a pretty ideal touring partner.

Amaranthe are touring NA already shortly before these dats.  Come to Gramercy Theater to see them with Battle Beast and Seven Spires August 22nd  :metal

I'm not sure if they have toured together though, but they definitely are not big enough to be the band speculated

I’ll look into that show!

And yes, totally not the band hinted at. I just think it’d be a great combo. Especially give. Eliza’s role in that now famous Nightwish show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on February 17, 2020, 05:58:45 PM
It would be cool if Nightwish and Dream Theater could do a co-headline tour starting late summer in the U.S. and maybe then they could finally get up to the Pacific Northwest. Especially if DT dropped scenes and did a standard set list featuring d/t a bit more.
 It seems that prog/metal band promoters have a way of snubbing the PNW these days.  Then you see Ed Sheeran and Blake Shelton etc, selling out large arenas and stadiums up here.. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 17, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
It would be cool if Nightwish and Dream Theater could do a co-headline tour starting late summer in the U.S. and maybe then they could finally get up to the Pacific Northwest. Especially if DT dropped scenes and did a standard set list featuring d/t a bit more.
 It seems that prog/metal band promoters have a way of snubbing the PNW these days.  Then you see Ed Sheeran and Blake Shelton etc, selling out large arenas and stadiums up here.. :facepalm:

Ehhh, I don't think that would be as great. There is some overlap in their audience, but a TON of DT fans are metal heads that hate female vocals, and a ton of Nightwish fans aren't really down for overly complex music.

I'm sure they'd do a decent tour, but they definitely aren't an ideal match in any way.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 17, 2020, 07:57:49 PM
It would be cool if Nightwish and Dream Theater could do a co-headline tour starting late summer in the U.S. and maybe then they could finally get up to the Pacific Northwest. Especially if DT dropped scenes and did a standard set list featuring d/t a bit more.
 It seems that prog/metal band promoters have a way of snubbing the PNW these days.  Then you see Ed Sheeran and Blake Shelton etc, selling out large arenas and stadiums up here.. :facepalm:

Ehhh, I don't think that would be as great. There is some overlap in their audience, but a TON of DT fans are metal heads that hate female vocals, and a ton of Nightwish fans aren't really down for overly complex music.

I'm sure they'd do a decent tour, but they definitely aren't an ideal match in any way.

What's the matter with both these kinds of people then?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on February 17, 2020, 08:13:49 PM
  :lol    My thoughts exactly!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 18, 2020, 07:42:56 AM
First single dropped..... "Noise"

Sounds great!  Really bummed that the Sept. LA shows are General Admission.  Doubt I will make them now.  Also wish they would have done a bigger tour in the US for everyone else.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2020, 02:52:19 PM
Got my tickets today, looks like they are selling some higher prices for the balcony, including a reserved balcony so I got two of those tickets for my friend and me.  $116 each after fees.  I'll take it because Terminal 5 is a pretty big floor and being a Tuesday, I doubt I can get there early enough to find a solid spot on the floor where I can see. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 21, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
Got my tickets today, looks like they are selling some higher prices for the balcony, including a reserved balcony so I got two of those tickets for my friend and me.  $116 each after fees.  I'll take it because Terminal 5 is a pretty big floor and being a Tuesday, I doubt I can get there early enough to find a solid spot on the floor where I can see.

Eesh. Yea, that might not work for me since I am not cash heavy right now.

Unless I am that friend you're mentioning.  :-*
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
Got my tickets today, looks like they are selling some higher prices for the balcony, including a reserved balcony so I got two of those tickets for my friend and me.  $116 each after fees.  I'll take it because Terminal 5 is a pretty big floor and being a Tuesday, I doubt I can get there early enough to find a solid spot on the floor where I can see.

Eesh. Yea, that might not work for me since I am not cash heavy right now.

Unless I am that friend you're mentioning.  :-*

GA is $87 after fees, my guess of 90 was close.  I just want to guarantee a view so I can make sure it's on youtube the next morning.  Also NW are one of my favorite bands who I don't get to see multiple times on tour like others so I don't mind paying up for the show.  My friend has two kids and while he told me to get him a ticket, I wouldn't be surprised if he backed out as the show gets closer since its a Tuesday.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 21, 2020, 04:23:01 PM
$97.50 after fees for the show at Hollywood Palladium for GA.  In comparison, I've paid around $50.00 for Within Temptation and In Flames for GA at the lovely Wiltern Theater.  Big pass for me for Nightwish though.  Wonder how big a difference in price would have been if it wasn't on a Friday and Saturday?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2020, 04:47:09 PM
$97.50 after fees for the show at Hollywood Palladium for GA.  In comparison, I've paid around $50.00 for Within Temptation and In Flames for GA at the lovely Wiltern Theater.  Big pass for me for Nightwish though.  Wonder how big a difference in price would have been if it wasn't on a Friday and Saturday?

Considering NYC isn't much cheaper on a Tuesday.. not much although I'm more surprised it's not cheaper due to there being two shows.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 21, 2020, 04:59:17 PM
Almost pulled the trigger on VIP seats, row 1. $325 + fees per seat.   Couldn't quite justify it.  I wish I was younger, I'd be all over the GA.  On a side note, really like the video for "Noise".  Anyone know who the blonde girl is?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 22, 2020, 07:16:58 AM
So.....  I had a brainstorm last night and just happened to float the notion of paying the $383 for the Platinum seats.  Just too see what the wife says.  Now mind you I wear the pants in the family, she just lays them out for me.  ;)  Anyways...  she surprised me and said "Hey... just get one ticket for you.  We can stay the night in Hollywood and I can go shopping while you go to the show!"  That's all I needed to hear! So I scored a single seat, Platinum 3, row A, seat right on the aisle!

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2020, 07:26:12 AM
 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 22, 2020, 07:45:53 AM
:metal :metal :metal
You gotta make it happen Brotha! 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 22, 2020, 07:50:16 AM
Damn, prices have gone up in recent years.

I bought a GA ticket for Nightwish in San Diego back in like 2012 or 2013. Don't remember it costing much. Then people would just walk through the line offering VIP upgrades for like 50 bucks maybe and you got to get in early, meet the whole band and then get a front row spot. Well worth it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2020, 07:52:37 AM
The meet and greet in NYC is 250 before fees, a bit cheaper, but its GA so you'd have to stand.  I actually considered it, but a Tuesday means I would need to take off work to get there early enough to do it.  I'm happy with my reserved balcony spot, and my friend last night seemed excited for it as well and didn't mind the extra cost over GA.

Damn, prices have gone up in recent years.

I bought a GA ticket for Nightwish in San Diego back in like 2012 or 2013. Don't remember it costing much. Then people would just walk through the line offering VIP upgrades for like 50 bucks maybe and you got to get in early, meet the whole band and then get a front row spot. Well worth it.

They weren't quite so popular in the US yet.  Seems they didn't start to get popular here until Floor took over.  I think I've paid around 70-90 for all the NW shows I've been to starting with one of the last Annette shows
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 22, 2020, 08:05:52 AM
I guess I was lucky since it was one of Floor's first shows with the band, but before she was an official member.  :loser:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 22, 2020, 09:05:42 AM
The meet and greet in NYC is 250 before fees, a bit cheaper, but its GA so you'd have to stand.  I actually considered it, but a Tuesday means I would need to take off work to get there early enough to do it.  I'm happy with my reserved balcony spot, and my friend last night seemed excited for it as well and didn't mind the extra cost over GA.

Damn, prices have gone up in recent years.

I bought a GA ticket for Nightwish in San Diego back in like 2012 or 2013. Don't remember it costing much. Then people would just walk through the line offering VIP upgrades for like 50 bucks maybe and you got to get in early, meet the whole band and then get a front row spot. Well worth it.


They weren't quite so popular in the US yet.  Seems they didn't start to get popular here until Floor took over.  I think I've paid around 70-90 for all the NW shows I've been to starting with one of the last Annette shows
Man... I am S-L-O-W.  When you said terminal 5 for the show, I thought you meant flying into LAX terminal 5 for the LA show.... :lol :lol :lol  Then I saw the name of the NY venue.   Hey.... we've been to one LA show together and one NYC show together!  As far as popularity, I swear they are getting more exposure just on the youtube "Reaction" videos.  I don't think there's another band that has a bigger reaction following.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
 :rollin

No plans on going to the LA show, in fact I'll be in Atlanta for Progpower, the NW show a few days after PP will be a nice hangover treatment
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 22, 2020, 09:55:14 AM
:rollin

No plans on going to the LA show, in fact I'll be in Atlanta for Progpower, the NW show a few days after PP will be a nice hangover treatment

I have no idea why, but I immediately pictured you all hung over and Floor screaming at you through that horn like in that video.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2020, 12:48:50 PM
I would be honored to have Floor scream like that at me, even in a terrible hungover state
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on February 22, 2020, 01:50:21 PM
I would be honored to have Floor scream like that at me, even in a terrible hungover state
  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 22, 2020, 05:24:43 PM
I would be honored to have Floor scream like that at me, even in a terrible hungover state
I think your head would splode......but hey! what a way to go!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2020, 11:23:12 AM
Worth it  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 25, 2020, 04:38:13 AM
Just announced: an US tour with Judas Priest and Sabaton.

Totally speculating but could it be that Sabaton bailed on Nightwish for the once in a lifetime occasion to tour with Judas Priest?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2020, 06:39:18 AM
Just announced: an US tour with Judas Priest and Sabaton.

Totally speculating but could it be that Sabaton bailed on Nightwish for the once in a lifetime occasion to tour with Judas Priest?

Was wondering the same thing.  The Judas Priest tour is in arenas too, which is interesting.  Judas Priest hasn't exactly been filling up arenas over here lately (I think the last local shows were in theaters, and not selling out). So I don't know if they think Sabaton is going to make these big shows.  I almost think Nightwish/Sabaton would be a bigger draw at this point unless people really come out just because its Judas Priest's 50th anniversary (but judging by online comments, everyone is shitting on this tour for JP not touring with original musicians and for the the pairing (which I don't get, but it seems like the old school fans have no idea who Sabaton is)). 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on February 25, 2020, 07:29:22 AM
I would have loved to see the Nightwish/Sabaton/Delain bill again. I'd still be happy with Nightwish/Delain. They both have new albums out this year so it'd make sense.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 25, 2020, 04:22:57 PM
I would have loved to see the Nightwish/Sabaton/Delain bill again. I'd still be happy with Nightwish/Delain. They both have new albums out this year so it'd make sense.
Yeah, that's the line-up we saw at the Greek a couple years ago.  Awesome show!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2020, 05:28:04 PM
Indeed it was and I would enjoy it again... but it was very recent.  I could see why the bands wouldn't want to team up so quickly again.  Plus it's tough... who is bigger in the US right now? 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on February 26, 2020, 07:52:29 AM
Just announced: an US tour with Judas Priest and Sabaton.

Totally speculating but could it be that Sabaton bailed on Nightwish for the once in a lifetime occasion to tour with Judas Priest?

Was wondering the same thing.  The Judas Priest tour is in arenas too, which is interesting.  Judas Priest hasn't exactly been filling up arenas over here lately (I think the last local shows were in theaters, and not selling out). So I don't know if they think Sabaton is going to make these big shows.  I almost think Nightwish/Sabaton would be a bigger draw at this point unless people really come out just because its Judas Priest's 50th anniversary (but judging by online comments, everyone is shitting on this tour for JP not touring with original musicians and for the the pairing (which I don't get, but it seems like the old school fans have no idea who Sabaton is)).

Judas Priest has a huge legacy in the genre, but at this point in time in Europe the band is not near the popularity of Nightwish and even Sabaton plays significantly larger venues across Europe. Priest in The Netherlands is 013 these days, so a 3000 capacity. But the US market is obviously different in terms of venue size and fan distribution across the states.

On a sidenote, Nightwish sold out Ziggodome twice here, but that is obviously a result of the tv show, which is hugely popular here and Floor nailed it. But damn, seeing a metal band like this sell 34k tickets is nice to see for sure. They don't even have another band on the billing (yet? no opener?). Still, last time they sold out Ziggodome as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 26, 2020, 07:58:14 AM
Yea, I don't follow JP closely, but I think they struggle to sell 2k tickets at this point, NW sells about that much and Sabaton sold out almost their entire NA tour last year to around 1-2k venues.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on February 26, 2020, 08:53:49 AM
Sabaton are also HUGE Judas Priest fans.  They've been on record stating that they (Par & Joakim) formed the band one night while listening to Painkiller, deciding that they wanted to play music for a living.  So the opportunity to open for your heroes is likely one too large to pass up.  It also puts them in front of another new audience (having opened for Iced Earth, Nightwish, Accept, and Amon Amarth in the US). 

If they were the band that bailed on Nightwish, I think they did it for a good reason.  I'd be surprised if Nightwish wanted to tour with them again, having just done so 5 years ago, and seeing that Sabaton is headlining the same venues on their own in the US.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dave_Manchester on February 28, 2020, 07:43:27 PM
What's your favourite Nightwish ballad (define 'ballad' however you want, within reason)?

Mine's still Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan from Once, but the more I listen to it, the more Our Decades In The Sun from EFMB edges closer to taking the top spot. Really beautiful song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on February 28, 2020, 07:45:09 PM
What's your favourite Nightwish ballad (define 'ballad' however you want, within reason)?

Mine's still Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan from Once, but the more I listen to it, the more Our Decades In The Sun from EFMB edges closer to taking the top spot. Really beautiful song.

Two For Tragedy, unless you really want to define ballad super broadly. Swanheart is also amazing. Their newer ballads are good, some great, but I really love those older ones.


Also, if you consider Slow Love Slow a ballad, then that one too. Though I don't like the argument that any song that is soft or has a soft first part is a ballad.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2020, 07:49:54 PM
What's your favourite Nightwish ballad (define 'ballad' however you want, within reason)?

Mine's still Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan from Once, but the more I listen to it, the more Our Decades In The Sun from EFMB edges closer to taking the top spot. Really beautiful song.

I prefer the End of An Era version of that song, really good ballad.

I guess it'd be tied with Sleeping Sun as my fave ballad.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 29, 2020, 12:57:57 AM
Yeah, hard to chose but Sleeping Sun gets my pick.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on February 29, 2020, 05:38:23 AM
Sleeping Sun for me also, followed by Meadows of Heaven.

Just saw the announcement that the GA tickets for the Russian show are sold out, nice. I bought my ticket in November or December I think, and the price doubled since then. I'll probably need to take a day off and get to the venue super-early, like 10 AM if I'm to get anywhere close to the front row.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 29, 2020, 12:57:53 PM
Nightwish's brief NA tour will have support from Apocalyptica and the birthday massacre. Never heard of the opener but it will be cool to see Apocalyptica
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on February 29, 2020, 02:06:12 PM
Sleeping Sun for me also, followed by Meadows of Heaven.

Just saw the announcement that the GA tickets for the Russian show are sold out, nice. I bought my ticket in November or December I think, and the price doubled since then. I'll probably need to take a day off and get to the venue super-early, like 10 AM if I'm to get anywhere close to the front row.
What if you have to Pee?!?!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 29, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Then he can have someone save his spot if they are nice enough.  That’s what I do all the time if I’m in line for a GA spot.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 29, 2020, 02:13:50 PM
 :lol

This prevents me from doing such things. I'd love to be upfront for the big bands but I'd have to go airplane mode of dehydrate myself so I dont have to pee which makes concerts less fun, but that's me. There's lots of value to hanging on the line and bonding with the people who put in the wait and openers just to be in front of the headliner.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on February 29, 2020, 11:49:37 PM
Then he can have someone save his spot if they are nice enough.  That’s what I do all the time if I’m in line for a GA spot.

Yep, that's what I usually do too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 01, 2020, 12:31:33 AM
The problem isn't really when you have to use the restroom in areas like restaurants, hotels, etc. nearby the venue when the times comes.  The struggle is really how long can you handle your feet being sore until you just can't stand in close spaces anymore after the 3-5 hours of waiting outside and standing through the openers before waiting for the headlining band to come.  After seeing four GA shows of the same band in the last week, I still haven't found the right approach to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on March 01, 2020, 05:36:41 AM
The struggle is really how long can you handle your feet being sore until you just can't stand in close spaces anymore after the 3-5 hours of waiting outside and standing through the openers before waiting for the headlining band to come.  After seeing four GA shows of the same band in the last week, I still haven't found the right approach to it.
I usually just get so excited I forget about sore feet.

Would love to see Nightwish on this tour and bring my sister over, our lives are going haywire right now but I'm hoping we emerge from the tide of shit sometime round November.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on March 01, 2020, 06:20:30 AM
The struggle is really how long can you handle your feet being sore until you just can't stand in close spaces anymore after the 3-5 hours of waiting outside and standing through the openers before waiting for the headlining band to come.  After seeing four GA shows of the same band in the last week, I still haven't found the right approach to it.
I usually just get so excited I forget about sore feet.

Next day is usually painful for me but the gig is usually worth it. Also whenever it's warm (or the line is inside the building, which is likely to be the case for Nightwish if I arrive early enough), I tend to sit on the ground instead of standing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dave_Manchester on March 05, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
You might need to wait for it to hit midnight in your region but Nightwish just released the 2nd song, Harvest, from their new album. I'll post the link for those of us east of Helsinki:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIdZbxIt3w

I like it more than the first one (which I also liked). Nothing mind-blowing but a nice folky tune with a cool instrumental section.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on March 06, 2020, 02:05:39 AM
I liked it more than the first single too. Still not too impressed though. My expectations for the album are definitely lower now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on March 06, 2020, 03:44:42 AM
The problem isn't really when you have to use the restroom in areas like restaurants, hotels, etc. nearby the venue when the times comes.  The struggle is really how long can you handle your feet being sore until you just can't stand in close spaces anymore after the 3-5 hours of waiting outside and standing through the openers before waiting for the headlining band to come.  After seeing four GA shows of the same band in the last week, I still haven't found the right approach to it.

Sit down. I'm OK with sitting on the sidewalk, but I've seen people take cheap plastic garden chairs and abandon them when the doors open. I always take a packed lunch and a paperback book.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Polarbear on March 06, 2020, 04:47:30 AM
Sounds like Blackmore's Night! :lol

Not bad though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on March 06, 2020, 07:10:22 AM
Lovely song! Interesting to have Troy sing. I think this is great for the live shows, I always enjoy variation.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2020, 07:11:55 AM
I don't care for it at all.  It's simultaneously very interesting and sad that once they hired Floor, who is by far my favorite singer they've had, that they begun to lose me.  That trend unfortunately continues.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on March 06, 2020, 07:22:43 AM
I don't care for it at all.  It's simultaneously very interesting and sad that once they hired Floor, who is by far my favorite singer they've had, that they begun to lose me.  That trend unfortunately continues.

I don't mind it - at least it's not the umpteenth use of the riff in the first single.  In the context of the album I am guessing this will fit in nicely.

But yeah..........not once I have had the hairs stand up on the back of my neck with a vocal Floor has done in the studio with Nightwish..........she really seems to be in cruise control singing what is written for her in Nightwish and yet in a live setting she is ballistic with the old material.

I find myself going to back to After Forever (or Nightwish live) when I want to hear Floor sing which is frustrating given the potential of this band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2020, 07:28:11 AM
Song is good, and I don't mind Troy singing... but why is Floor not singing besides the backing vocals?  It feels like such a waste if she's not used on the second CD and we have one track already with her in the background.

But then again, the song is good and a bit different.  Will probably be a cool mid set change of pace song to give Floor a break and let Troy have some spotlight, similar to how they played While Your Lips are Still Red with Floor taking the backseat and giving Marco lead vocals with Troy playing guitar. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on March 06, 2020, 07:35:19 AM
The Endless Forms Most Beautiful studio album sounded muted on the vocal department, but seeing Floor sing Greatest Show, Weak Fantasy, Decades in particular was a treat. I think Noise sounds great in the vocal department, though I agree the riffs are a bit too familiar.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 06, 2020, 07:37:29 AM
Early review seemed to indicate that the opening track was crazy on the vocal side, so let's keep our fingers crossed for that!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2020, 07:43:33 AM
The Endless Forms Most Beautiful studio album sounded muted on the vocal department, but seeing Floor sing Greatest Show, Weak Fantasy, Decades in particular was a treat. I think Noise sounds great in the vocal department, though I agree the riffs are a bit too familiar.

Yea, that's the only problem with Noise, the song is a very similar NW style song with those riffs, but Floor does sound great on it. It's still a good song, just like Harvest is a good song too.  While neither single truly blows me away, they don't really make me think the album will be any lesser either. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2020, 08:41:29 AM
Tepid song. Not a fan of Troy in the band. Not a bad song, just so uninteresting. Hope the album has a bit more adventure than this.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2020, 08:47:48 AM
Song is fine. Bland but fine. I feel like it might be a grower. Who knows?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2020, 09:00:26 AM
Song is fine. Bland but fine. I feel like it might be a grower. Who knows?

I already liked it more on 2nd listen, I'm just not sure why they release a single without Floor being the lead singer.  She is so popular right now, they should be riding that wave. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2020, 09:08:04 AM
Song is fine. Bland but fine. I feel like it might be a grower. Who knows?

I already liked it more on 2nd listen, I'm just not sure why they release a single without Floor being the lead singer.  She is so popular right now, they should be riding that wave.

It seems to vaguely fall into their strategy. First single is the heavy rocking simple song that sounds like the others, and the second is the fun folksy Irish song, it might be that there isn't a version of that song with Floor as the lead singer on this album. I dunno.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2020, 09:10:40 AM
Song is fine. Bland but fine. I feel like it might be a grower. Who knows?

I already liked it more on 2nd listen, I'm just not sure why they release a single without Floor being the lead singer.  She is so popular right now, they should be riding that wave.

It seems to vaguely fall into their strategy. First single is the heavy rocking simple song that sounds like the others, and the second is the fun folksy Irish song, it might be that there isn't a version of that song with Floor as the lead singer on this album. I dunno.

Remember the DPP demo of Amaranth with Marco singing? Oof. Sounds like an elf-troll is coming after me. :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 06, 2020, 10:11:33 AM
I really liked that song. Made me feel I was at a harvest festival, sitting around a table outside in the fields (as in the video) laughing and having good conversations.

I didn't mind Floor taking a backseat, Troys vocals fit that mood/vibe way better than Floors would have.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on March 06, 2020, 10:15:39 AM
I couldn't even listen more than a minute or so, had to turn it off.
Not sure why Troy is singing lead, his voice is weak, and they have two brilliant other singer who are way better.
Hopefully in the context of the album it will work.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2020, 10:19:27 AM
I really liked that song. Made me feel I was at a harvest festival, sitting around a table outside in the fields (as in the video) laughing and having good conversations.

I didn't mind Floor taking a backseat, Troys vocals fit that mood/vibe way better than Floors would have.

Yea, I like the theme of the song and generally, don't have an issue with Troy singing over Floor for a song, just question why this is the single without Floor.  Maybe that's part of the plan, you want Floor?  Get the album.  What do I know.  This is a middle track on the first disc of the album, I bet it makes for a nice change of pace type song within context of the full thing.  Probably will be cool live as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 06, 2020, 10:29:22 AM
I really liked that song. Made me feel I was at a harvest festival, sitting around a table outside in the fields (as in the video) laughing and having good conversations.

I didn't mind Floor taking a backseat, Troys vocals fit that mood/vibe way better than Floors would have.

Yea, I like the theme of the song and generally, don't have an issue with Troy singing over Floor for a song, just question why this is the single without Floor.  Maybe that's part of the plan, you want Floor?  Get the album.  What do I know.  This is a middle track on the first disc of the album, I bet it makes for a nice change of pace type song within context of the full thing.  Probably will be cool live as well.

Well, they did the same with releasing Amaranthe as a single, then releasing The Islander. We're getting both sides of Nightwish. I enjoy their folky, calm songs a lot, because it's the music of their heritage.

I couldn't even listen more than a minute or so, had to turn it off.
Not sure why Troy is singing lead, his voice is weak, and they have two brilliant other singer who are way better.
Hopefully in the context of the album it will work.

Because his voice fits the vibe of that song. Its calm and soothing, like a bard sitting on a hill in an open field.

Floor and Marco are amazing singers, but Troy has a tone that fits way more than the others vocals, they do add that ethereal feeling when they all harmonize.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 07, 2020, 04:39:22 AM
Heard the song. Lovely! as it has been said before, it feels like the "change of pace in the middle of the album" kind of song, it's baffling they picked it as single, but hey, more power to them to do what they want and be unconventional, after all one of the most famous songs ever in the world shouldn't have been a single because it was 6 minutes long and had a weird wacky operatic section in the middle.

The song is fine and catchy, and I respect the artistic decision to have a song for Troy only, but maybe having Floor singing the final chorus wouldn't have hurt.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 07, 2020, 04:54:08 PM
I couldn't even listen more than a minute or so, had to turn it off.
Not sure why Troy is singing lead, his voice is weak, and they have two brilliant other singer who are way better.
Hopefully in the context of the album it will work.

I think Tuomas said in an interview somewhere that for the first disc, they utilized all 3 vocalists equally, and to their full potential.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on March 07, 2020, 06:47:36 PM
That would be great... if I wanted to hear all three vocalists equally.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 08, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
Gave it a few more listens and I really dig it. I'm glad Nightwish is trying new things, and I think Troy's voice works pretty well for this.

Based on comments here and elsewhere, it seems like a lot of people want every NW song to be Floor screaming/belting as high as possible as often as possible. I agree that she held back too much on EFMB, but that album did have her doing death growls. It's not shocking that the two released singles are as middle of the pack as they come, that's what NW has been doing forever. I do remember reading that this album features blast beats and such, so I'm sure we're in for a lot of surprises. Hopefully. Maybe not. Who knows?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2020, 07:46:31 AM
Really like both songs so far. Can't for April 10th!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 09, 2020, 11:42:59 AM
Gave it a few more listens and I really dig it. I'm glad Nightwish is trying new things, and I think Troy's voice works pretty well for this.

Based on comments here and elsewhere, it seems like a lot of people want every NW song to be Floor screaming/belting as high as possible as often as possible. I agree that she held back too much on EFMB, but that album did have her doing death growls. It's not shocking that the two released singles are as middle of the pack as they come, that's what NW has been doing forever. I do remember reading that this album features blast beats and such, so I'm sure we're in for a lot of surprises. Hopefully. Maybe not. Who knows?

I'm enjoying these two songs way more than what was released on EFMB.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on March 09, 2020, 11:46:55 AM
Based on comments here and elsewhere, it seems like a lot of people want every NW song to be Floor screaming/belting as high as possible as often as possible. I agree that she held back too much on EFMB, but that album did have her doing death growls.
I'd even go a step further and suggest EFMB sounds the way it does because of a) the mildly flat production b) the fact that she just makes it all sound so easy. Try to sing the songs yourself and see if it's as easy as it sounds. She maintains a strong core sound all throughout the album, in the middle of her range, just swelling with beauty. Of course, the writing wasn't anything new, but I'm used to Nightwish being consistent to the point of self-plagiarizing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
Based on comments here and elsewhere, it seems like a lot of people want every NW song to be Floor screaming/belting as high as possible as often as possible. I agree that she held back too much on EFMB, but that album did have her doing death growls.
I'd even go a step further and suggest EFMB sounds the way it does because of a) the mildly flat production b) the fact that she just makes it all sound so easy. Try to sing the songs yourself and see if it's as easy as it sounds. She maintains a strong core sound all throughout the album, in the middle of her range, just swelling with beauty. Of course, the writing wasn't anything new, but I'm used to Nightwish being consistent to the point of self-plagiarizing.

Oh totally. I also get that her other music is often WAY more energetic, and EFMB was mostly pretty calm or middle of the road. Even the heavy stuff wasn't super energetic or in your face.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on March 09, 2020, 12:21:55 PM
Yeah, I listened a couple more times to Harvest and I like it more and more with each listen. Good song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on March 10, 2020, 04:50:01 AM
See, to me, any song by any artist will sound better after they've got out and played it live for a while. In the old days, bands used to play new songs live, get to know them and develop them for a while, then go into the studio to record them. These days they don't, partially because they don't want phone footage of them all over the internet, and partially because audiences don't really want to hear new stuff anymore.

So to me album versions have gone from being the definitive version to being the first draft version. If you listen to either of the shows on Vehicles of Spirit, or the Decades show, you'll see that Floor has sang those EFMB songs for a few years, has got to know them, and really knows how and where to soar. So I'm expecting the versions on H:N to be a bit meh, but I'm expecting them to blow me away live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on March 11, 2020, 08:36:12 AM
They just released a track from the Nature disc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VshpPBBehxE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VshpPBBehxE)

It has a spoken word part and you can clearly hear Floor singing (but no words indeed). I like it. I don't feel much for spoken word parts in general, but in the context of like half an hour of mostly instrumental music, this can work in my opinion. And I do really like the orchestration here.

Also, the song is tied to a charity which is always a nice thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 11, 2020, 08:38:46 AM
She sings but no words? so she's vocalizing / jodeling?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on March 11, 2020, 08:44:20 AM
She sings but no words? so she's vocalizing / jodeling?

Not sure what the description would be in official musical terms, but she sings along with the melody of the orchestration and it does sound nice (orchestral soundtracks to films and games often utilize this style of singing). But it remains to be seen how this part will fit in the larger whole.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2020, 09:01:55 AM
Musically it's pretty cool and kind of exactly what I thought this may sound like.  Also the spoken words... and animals.  I mean, this was all pretty much expected at this point.  I'd say this works really well as a public service announcement, not sure how I feel about it as a song that I will continue to listen to.  I'll have to see it in the context of the rest, but I'm getting the feeling the rest of disc 2 will be very similar to this just with different styles of music. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 11, 2020, 11:09:42 AM
Nice soothing song. I enjoyed it. It would make a good live show intro.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 12, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
"Harvest" is definitely not my cup of tea.  While I've always enjoyed the "folk-y" side of Nightwish, this takes it too a level I wouldn't organically travel.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 01, 2020, 03:03:23 AM
So, it's the final countdown. 10 days until the release.... and then we'll be able to hear the new album! and not a minute earlier, of course. Totally impossibile. :\
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2020, 10:24:50 AM
In these times, this is something I am really looking forward to.  There aint much else out there to get excited about right now.  I wish they would just release it digitally now, but I expect I'll still be alive in 10 days
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 01, 2020, 09:27:47 PM
****Spoiler Alert****




















Had a chance to get an early listen of the album today, some of it is surprising, almost proggy in parts.
With not much orchestral stuff on disc one, it's almost a throwback in some ways to the Oceanborn/Wishmaster days.
Marco is MIA for all but one song, disappointing some what, as he should be heard more.
The second disc is pretty much er boring and I love classical music maybe needs a few more plays.
But all up a major improvement on the last album IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 02, 2020, 01:21:28 AM
Something tells me that you won't be the only one to have an "early chance"....

So, it's basically confirmed now that all the orchestral stuff has been saved for the second disc... if Marco gets one song he has basically the same amount as Troy? uh well, as long as Floor kicks ass in all the other songs!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 02, 2020, 03:08:01 AM
Yes indeed it has, and CD1 has enough new things going on to keep it fresh and interesting.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 02, 2020, 09:16:40 AM
Is Disc 2 orchestral only or does the band play? I wouldn't mind an instrumental metal Symphony, but if it's just an orchestra, I'll probably find it boring too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 02, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
Is Disc 2 orchestral only or does the band play? I wouldn't mind an instrumental metal Symphony, but if it's just an orchestra, I'll probably find it boring too.

There's on YouTube a track from that, Ad Astra. I expect the entire Disc 2 to be in the same style (orchestral, no band, maybe Floor vocalizing).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
I really like Ad Astra on repeated listens. It sounds like it would be a cool closer to the song/disk.

I love classical music, I love orchestral music, so if it's just that, then I'm excited just as much as I would be if it were symphonic metal.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 02, 2020, 10:54:35 AM
Ugh, I may have checked some of this out, specifically disc 2 and not a bit of interest from me for that sadly.  I'm definitely salivating for disc 1 though
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 02, 2020, 10:57:48 AM
I liked Ad Astra quite a bit, so I hope I will be able to get enjoyment from disc 2 overall. I do love film/game soundtracks, and at least Ad Astra aligns with that interest.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 02, 2020, 11:45:26 AM
Is Disc 2 orchestral only or does the band play? I wouldn't mind an instrumental metal Symphony, but if it's just an orchestra, I'll probably find it boring too.

Orchestral with minimal Floor vocals every now and then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on April 02, 2020, 11:56:22 AM
Disc 1 kicks ass.  It still has some orchestration, so it's pretty typical Nightwish.  Nice and heavy as well.

Disc 2 is purely orchestral in terms of music.  From what I sampled, there are no drums, guitars or bass at all. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 02, 2020, 02:56:38 PM
Is there a lot of spoken word on this album?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 03, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
I need to backtrack a little bit. Although I don't go out of my way to listen to classical/orchestral music, I do like some, especially movie scores. Adding metal just enhances it greatly. The band Damnation Angels is heavily orchestral, and the addition of metal is amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 07, 2020, 03:14:04 PM
Gave a spin to Tuomas' solo albums, the Scrooge one and the Auri album.

Auri was so so. I like the ethereal and minimalistic approach, but at the end, the songs have to be there. At least half are good, the rest, while I wouldn't call any song bad, it's just.... there and quite forgettable.

The Scrooge album is fantastic, I didn't remember it was so good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 08, 2020, 07:45:48 AM
Gave a spin to Tuomas' solo albums, the Scrooge one and the Auri album.

Auri was so so. I like the ethereal and minimalistic approach, but at the end, the songs have to be there. At least half are good, the rest, while I wouldn't call any song bad, it's just.... there and quite forgettable.

The Scrooge album is fantastic, I didn't remember it was so good.

The Scroodge album has some great moments. It was a passion project and it shows in my opinion. And honestly, as I grew up with the Scroodge material, I can't help but enjoy the subject matter.

I like Auri as well, that album is overall pretty different compared to his work on NW.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 08, 2020, 07:48:20 AM
Meanwhile, there are photos on the internet of fans with the physical copy of the new album, pre-orders did wonders.... after all the official release date is just 48 hours away.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on April 08, 2020, 07:51:54 AM
Meanwhile, there are photos on the internet of fans with the physical copy of the new album, pre-orders did wonders.... after all the official release date is just 48 hours away.
yes, it happens. It happened to me quite a bit, far more than once. (I got D/T two days ahead of time and DT12 three days ahead of time even. Harharharhar. Quite a few other albums as well.)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 08, 2020, 09:34:30 AM
My copy won’t arrive until the 14th cuz I ordered it from Amazon and they’re prioritizing supplies for the virus.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ShadowWalker on April 08, 2020, 12:20:50 PM
My local record store had it in stock and is shipping it to me today, along with the new Testament. Should have both by the weekend.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2020, 12:32:08 PM
I'm just getting the digital download, no point in waiting on amazon or risk delivieries in this time when I don't care one bit about collecting CDs anymore, but I do typically try to support my top bands with a physical purchase and NW does fall into that catagory.  However, if they release a tour version of the album, I'd get that which is what I did for EFMB which had a DVD of bonus stuff.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on April 09, 2020, 09:34:32 AM
Gave a spin to Tuomas' solo albums, the Scrooge one and the Auri album.

Auri was so so. I like the ethereal and minimalistic approach, but at the end, the songs have to be there. At least half are good, the rest, while I wouldn't call any song bad, it's just.... there and quite forgettable.

The Scrooge album is fantastic, I didn't remember it was so good.

I love the Scrooge album. It's a rather unusual concept for an album, which I think makes it hard to sell people on, but it's executed really well.

I must admit I have not heard of the other one. I'll check it out at some point, but if it's as minimalistic as you say, it might just not be my thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
Looks like Nightwish uploaded most (maybe all?) of the album to Youtube.

Not listening to it. Gonna download the album tomorrow (or tonight if it's out) and listen to it like that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
Looks like Nightwish uploaded most (maybe all?) of the album to Youtube.

Not listening to it. Gonna download the album tomorrow (or tonight if it's out) and listen to it like that.

I saw Music was up and I think its AWESOME but didn't realize the whole album was up.  I'll be checking the rest out now, but I still plan on getting it on amazon digital download later or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on April 10, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
Just given the album a spin (kindoff).   

First half is Nightwish by numbers, although only a couple of tracks sounded really good first listen (Shoemaker and Pan).  The real issue is the second half which is so boring I actually started skipping after 10 minutes.   It's just so utterly limp - I mean I quite like orchestral music,  but this has no building, no peaks - it's just so flat.   Instead of being something that demands your attention it's just background noise.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2020, 08:07:53 AM
4 songs in and at least it doesn't at all sound self-derivative the way EFMB does. So, digging it so far, but I'm at work, so it'll take a few more listens to digest. I'm mainly here for the big epic at the end, so we'll see how that goes. So far first impressions are better. I can't believe they only released 2 albums in the 2010s though. It's staggering to think that Imaginaerum was already 9 years ago. Wtf?

EDIT: Okay... first impressions: not terribly impressed, but first go round I think I enjoy it more than Imaginaerum, and definitely more than EFMB.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2020, 08:10:00 AM
I think disc 1 is FANTASTIC, don't care for disc 2 it's just not my thing.  I need more listens to say more, but Pan was a stand out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2020, 09:28:17 AM
Well, that's definitely a Nightwish album! Wow. Loads to digest.

But I rolled my eyes so hard during the final track. Just more narrative gushing over the magical splendor of the world. We get it.

Definitely like this more than EFMB, no question. Tribal was the song that stood out the most on first listen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on April 10, 2020, 10:13:29 AM
As strange as this is to me, I believe NW is the only band whose whole studio discography is the only one I own physical copies of. That is quite remarkable, since there are many other bands I like more than them. So I oddly feel compelled to buy this, on that basis alone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
As strange as this is to me, I believe NW is the only band whose whole studio discography is the only one I own physical copies of. That is quite remarkable, since there are many other bands I like more than them. So I oddly feel compelled to buy this, on that basis alone.

I bought it digitally, but at this rate of enjoying it so far, I may feel compelled to get a physical copy at some point too. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 10, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
I'll listen to it all after I bought it, but I checked out a few random songs from Youtube such as Shoemaker (or most of it) Music and I think Procession?

These are all very soft songs for Nightwish. Add that to Harvest, it seems this is a much lighter album? Maybe I just haven't heard the heavier songs yet outside of Noise.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2020, 10:39:45 AM
Album release day!!!  :metal :metal :metal  Slow day at work and I have a decent speaker set up so I'll do a first listen review here....

DISC 1

Music - the 1:20 min Intro to me is kinda ..Meh. The song overall is kind of a change of pace, having a mellower intro to an album.  Floor sounds fantastic and the chorus is solid.  Good song, just a weird choice for an intro track to the album for me.

Noise - Not a first run for this of course.  I like this song more and more, which usually isn't the case for me on singles released.  The songs subject matter is so relevant these days and really hits home with me.  LOVE the chorus and the change up @ 3:14 is fucking BAD ASS!!!!!

Shoemaker - Nice underlying guitar riff in this one.  Troy sounds good!  Enjoying the ebb and flow of the song.  Floor's operatic section @ 3:55... FLOORGASMIC!!!  Nice ending!

Harvest - Again, not a first listen.  It's growing on me a little bit but it's just not my thing really.  A little too folky?  Troy does an excellent job vocally for sure though!  Feel like I should be in a lil Irish country village Pub, which would be kinda cool in itself.  Now when it kicks up a notch @ the 2:37 mark that's more my style!

Pan - Love Floor's tonal control, not sure what you call that when intentionally going out of tune and back in again? She does it masterfully though.  Nice driving chorus and solid dose of Emppu!!  Good song overall.

How's the Heart - This one is sounding like it should've been on EFMB (which I'm OK with).  Another really good chorus by Floor and pipes by Troy. Solid melodic track.

Procession - Vocal entry reminds me a bit of Tarja for some reason, the first few measures at least.  Nice keyboards around the 2:40 mark accompanied by some haunting Floor harmonizing.  I don't know why ... but this song makes me think of "Once" .  Really liking this one!

Tribal - Love the rythym! Great job by Kai through out this one!  OMG... Floors vocals @ 1:24!!!!  EPIC!!!  Kai @ 2:58  :metal :metal :metal .

Endlessness -   Love the melody, and Marco's vocals sound great!  Can't recall a vocal performance similar to this for him. The chorus around 3:45 has a bit of a haunting edge to it.  This is by far for me the best Floor/Marco duet.  This is a song I would love to see live!  One of my favorites on this album.

Overall a really good disc!!!!!  NOT disappointed at all!!!!


DISC 2


All the Works of Nature Which Adorn the World

Vista - spoken word intro and some beautiful cello.  This would be really fun as a backing soundtrack for one of my Diving video's! (As I'm gonna guess every segment of this whole composition might be)

The Blue - Harmonizing vocals and the rhythm of the music reminds me of a segment in TGSOE

The Green - Feels very peaceful and serene.  Beautiful composition and it flows nicely.

Moors - Intro of Beautiful pipes, Troy I'm assuming.  Then morphs into a dramatic cinematic theme.  All of these so far sound like potential soundtracks, this one especially.

Aurorae - Cinematic like the others

Quiet as the Show - Beautiful intro that builds into some nice violin segments.  Harmonizing chorus in the background sounds nice.

Anthropocene - Just a hint of middle eastern flavor.  Good track.

Ad Astra -  Closing with the same spoken word as "Vista".  Carl Sagan's "Mote of Dust" speech.  Very beautifully done and a nice finale!


Overall I think each segment is very enjoyable, I don't think I was bored with any 1 segment by itself.   Honestly though, I'm not an expert in orchestral composition so I'm not sure if it is cohesive as "One" work.  Not being my normal music I can't say how often I would sit down and listen to this 31 minute work.  At the end of the day though, while I appreciate the creative license, I would have rather had more mainstream Nightwish tracks. 

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 10, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
Went to disc 2 first. I'm not a hardcore Nightwish fan, but it absolutely baffles me how you can have one of the best vocalist in metal, and not use her at all for 40 whatever minutes of music. I'm speechless, and am sure that side won't see a second play from me.

Onto side one...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2020, 12:39:24 PM
Went to disc 2 first. I'm not a hardcore Nightwish fan, but it absolutely baffles me how you can have one of the best vocalist in metal, and not use her at all for 40 whatever minutes of music. I'm speechless, and am sure that side won't see a second play from me.

Onto side one...

Only quoting this because I've seen this sentiment a lot this week and especially today, and it's something that's been eating me, so if it seems like I'm singling you out, RJ, I'm not:  but if the music is good, what does it matter that the singer isn't playing much? Emppu barely plays guitar on this record, it seems, yet I've seen not a single word about the lack of distortion. Or does the music require a singer to be good and/or interesting music? It seems like many Nightwish fans want Floor and that's all that matters, sophisticated symphonic compositions be damned, while ironically praising the band for its orchestral histrionics.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 10, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
Went to disc 2 first. I'm not a hardcore Nightwish fan, but it absolutely baffles me how you can have one of the best vocalist in metal, and not use her at all for 40 whatever minutes of music. I'm speechless, and am sure that side won't see a second play from me.

Onto side one...

Floor is utilized extremely well on the 2nd disc.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2020, 01:02:33 PM
So this acoustic version  of How's the Heart was also just released today??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtkPpFYzOo
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 10, 2020, 01:46:34 PM
First listen of the whole thing and my impression is good. I do wish there was a song or two more on the first disc, but what is there is all good. Second disc is very nice as well, but it is very much a chill soundtrack to nature, as advertised.

So this acoustic version  of How's the Heart was also just released today??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtkPpFYzOo

Sounds great!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 10, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
First listen of the whole thing and my impression is good. I do wish there was a song or two more on the first disc, but what is there is all good. Second disc is very nice as well, but it is very much a chill soundtrack to nature, as advertised.

So this acoustic version  of How's the Heart was also just released today??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtkPpFYzOo

Sounds great!
Yeah, she really belts it out at the end!  Sounds really good.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 10, 2020, 02:15:47 PM
Went to disc 2 first. I'm not a hardcore Nightwish fan, but it absolutely baffles me how you can have one of the best vocalist in metal, and not use her at all for 40 whatever minutes of music. I'm speechless, and am sure that side won't see a second play from me.

Onto side one...

Only quoting this because I've seen this sentiment a lot this week and especially today, and it's something that's been eating me, so if it seems like I'm singling you out, RJ, I'm not:  but if the music is good, what does it matter that the singer isn't playing much? Emppu barely plays guitar on this record, it seems, yet I've seen not a single word about the lack of distortion. Or does the music require a singer to be good and/or interesting music? It seems like many Nightwish fans want Floor and that's all that matters, sophisticated symphonic compositions be damned, while ironically praising the band for its orchestral histrionics.

For me, I'm going for the total package. If I wanted nature music to meditate to, I'd search it out. When I think Nightwish, I'm thinking over the top symphonic metal with a strong female front. The first disc delivered that, though a bit underwhelming. The second disc is completely forgettable to me. Again, I'm not a big Nightwish fan by any means, it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.


Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2020, 03:21:19 PM
Ah, yeah, that's fair then. All good! Thanks for elaborating.  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 10, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
Ah, yeah, that's fair then. All good! Thanks for elaborating.  :tup

Yup...also consider, my intro to them was when I went to see Kamelot and Nightwish were the headliners. This happened to be Floor's second show after they booted Annette. It was a right place, right time thing, and they were just amazing, especially the energy they delivered. EFMB was a good album, not fantastic, just good. Not a ton of their back catalog intrigued me (I just can't get into the operatic vocal style). Honestly, my favorite output of theirs is the live album from the Waken show. That gets serious playtime for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2020, 04:35:38 AM
Super helpful comment on the YouTube video for the song Shoemaker:

Quote
This song is about Eugene Shoemaker. Here is his story.

Eugene Shoemaker was a geologist and a founder of modern planetary science. He studied craters on Earth and Moon, and realized that they were created by asteroid impacts. Shoemaker was the geology principal investigator for Apollo missions, and he also helped to train the Apollo astronauts that went to the Moon. He himself was a candidate for an Apollo Moon flight but was disqualified after being diagnosed with Addison's disease. Later in life, he said, "Not going to the Moon and banging on it with my own hammer has been the biggest disappointment in life."

Shoemaker spent much of his later years searching for undiscovered impact craters around the world. He died on July 18, 1997, in a car accident in Australia, where he was studying craters.
In 1999, as a recognition for his scientific accomplishments, some of his ashes were carried to the Moon by the Lunar Prospector space probe. His final resting place is close to the lunar south pole, in the Shoemaker crater, named after him.

The Shoemaker's urn was inscribed with a quotation from Romeo and Juliet reading:
"And, when he shall die
Take him and cut him out in little stars
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world will be in love with night
And pay no worship to the garish sun."


He is the only human buried on celestial body other than Earth. After his death, he finally got to go where he always wanted to be.

I was wondering what the hell the lyrics had to with a literal shoemaker, as in "someone who makes shoes".  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 11, 2020, 07:51:59 AM
Loving the new album. Spinning disc one more often for obvious reasons. Disc two is great, but I don't know how many times I'd actually revisit it. Masterful job by Floor. She is incredible (understatement).

Music is the standout track for me. Love everything about this song, and other then the very beginning, I get a huge Century Child vibe out of it.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 11, 2020, 09:41:05 AM
It is a good sign that I keep listening to this album. It is interesting that Noise to me is the odd one out in the sense that it feels like a very formulaic song whereas the rest feels fresh (obviously still with penty of common NW elements). I do really like Noise, however. And in the context of the album it is nice to have such a song.

My top 3 right now Pan>Music>Endlessness

Music was immediate love, Pan I liked but I am enjoying it more and more, Endessness took a couple of listens to grow, but it is excellent. Also, it gives me a modern Sonata Arctica vibe, especially the chorus.

As for disc two I probably enjoy The Blue, Ad Astra and Quiet as the Snow the most.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 11, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Yeah, I'm really liking the Disc 1. Feel fairly fresh after EFMB which felt a bit by the numbers.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 11, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
For anyone into interviews I thought this livestream from Floor was 10x better than an interview!!  Some great lil nuggets in there!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32kyXv9ZSaU&fbclid=IwAR1X3ZZi0bkhJmmQ_2LTJRtBMmXD0Bv20FUfGMwSYDb4nA_ymMceE1D33hw
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2020, 10:59:52 AM
Yeah, I'm really liking the Disc 1. Feel fairly fresh after EFMB which felt a bit by the numbers.

I kinda see a pattern with new vocalists.

Annette came on board and they made an album with "normal" (for lack of a better term) songs, carried by the huge long epic. Then she settled in and they pulled no stops with Imaginaerum which is for the record my favorite Nightwish album.

Then Floor came aboard and once again they concentated on "classic Nightwish" songs (and the long epic), and then they finally realized they have Floor goddamn Jansen on board and went fully wild with this new album, having her do unreal stuff with her voice.

Now Floor will get in 4-5 years what Annette didn't, a third album, who knows what it will be like!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
Speaking of Imaginarium... Endlessness really reminds me of Rest Calm.  I'm a big fan of these 9 songs on disc 1.  If I judge the album just for this disc, I'd rate it very highly at a 50 minute album.  Definitely a bit of a progression in sound while still being very Nightwishy.  Man I hope that show in September happens
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 11, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
  Man I hope that show in September happens
Me too!  They took a poll of NFL fans, 77% said they wouldn't go to games in Sept. without a vaccine.  I guess we just have to be super optimistic!
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Post by: Adami on April 11, 2020, 02:49:44 PM
Listened to it all today.

I like it! It doesn't have quite the energy of earliest stuff and is much more mellow (for the most part) but it's much fresher than EFMB, which is nice.

I also really dig the last song with the super long pretentious title I won't type. It's not something to blast while driving or to listen to a ton, but it's really pretty and very relaxing.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 11, 2020, 03:29:04 PM
I listened to it once and I really like it! Music, Shoemaker and Pan were the standouts. The second disc is awesome too, especially The Green. Don’t understand why some people find it boring.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 11, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
One listen in. I’m with Marc and RJ - disc two was limp as shit. Not into it. I don’t want to say disc 1 was ‘by-the-numbers’, but nothing jumped out at me right away (tho admittedly I was multi-tasking).
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 12, 2020, 02:31:42 PM
Man, I'm always seemingly slow to the party.  I just started watching the BA show from 2018 on youtube that I guess is going to be the next blu ray?  Couple real good performances on there.  Definitely my favorite performance of TGSOE to date.  Parts of Ghost Love Score are also epic, especially the vocal crescendo which for me surpasses Waken 2013, Wembley, Tampere,  and BA 2012's performances!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
Man, I'm always seemingly slow to the party.  I just started watching the BA show from 2018 on youtube that I guess is going to be the next blu ray? 

about being late to the party... that blu-ray/cd has been out for quite some time.  It's a really awesome concert to have on CD for sure as it's the current band doing lots of older and rarer songs.  It's so well done.  I was watching a bit of my blu-ray over the weekend.  The video isn't as good as their previous releases IMO, but it's still an awesome package of the blu-ray/cd and highly recommended for a fan of the current form of the band.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 12, 2020, 03:15:56 PM
Man, I'm always seemingly slow to the party.  I just started watching the BA show from 2018 on youtube that I guess is going to be the next blu ray? 

about being late to the party... that blu-ray/cd has been out for quite some time.  It's a really awesome concert to have on CD for sure as it's the current band doing lots of older and rarer songs.  It's so well done.  I was watching a bit of my blu-ray over the weekend.  The video isn't as good as their previous releases IMO, but it's still an awesome package of the blu-ray/cd and highly recommended for a fan of the current form of the band.
  I'm telling ya, Marc... getting old aint for the feint at heart  :lol  It's already out?  How the hell did I miss that?  Yeah, I watched some of the older songs today also.  I must admit, I don't really listen to a lot of pre-Once material.  Matter of fact I don't even have Wishmaster.   That being said I liked Carpenter and Gethsemane's performances.  OK... off to order the Blu-ray..... :lol  Thank's for the heads up!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2020, 03:19:14 PM
 :lol it's all good, The Carpenter is one of the songs they really brought to life with this line up.  I had mostly thought it wasn't very good on their first album, but I really enjoy the Decades version
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 13, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
I've come to the conclusion that this album is.... fantastic!

At first I was "what?", but then it fully conquered me. Yeah, it's weird, it's not that heavy, it doesn't have the killer classic song like Nemo, I Want My Tears Back or even Elan, but damn it's good! and Floor does UNREAL things on this album, she kicks ass!!!

Some brief thoughts on the songs...

MUSIC: Weirdest opener ever, what's up with two intros in one? anyway, the vocal melodies are superb and Floor already on the first song starts to shine. Bad opener, wonderful and amazing song.

NOISE: Feels like the "Mh, guess we have to have a single" kind of song. It's not bad, but it's the least good leading single off the last three albums, possibly four.

SHOEMAKER: Once again clever and unusual melodies are put at Floor's service, and she does amazing things especially in that operatic final part. WOW!!!! JUST WOW!!!  :hefdaddy

HARVEST: We all know it by now, cute little folky song, I don't mind it at all, but I still think Floor should have sung the final chorus for a change.

PAN: I was sure that this song was called "Pain", not Pan  :lol once again, I have to praise Floor for the delivery of the interesting vocal lines, this song gives me a "weird dream" vibe.

HOW'S THE HEART: The other single-y song, this is gonna go down so well live. Spiritual sequel to Elan, check the lyrical callback to the cliff meeting the sea.

PROCESSION: Wonderful ballad, half elegy half celebration of the grandiose complexity of life. Who knew a crash course in biology could have been so haunting and beautiful?

TRIBAL: I've seen a lot of early praise for this, but to me it sounds like a "damn, we don't have enough heavy stuff on the record" kind of song. Short and underdeveloped, Marco going Planet of the Apes isn't enough to save the song.

ENDLESSNESS: Now this is more like it! a doom-ish and majestic celebration of the universe, with a great chorus and awesome finale, and Floor's small part really shows how well you can use different vocalists. I wish they had more occasions like this on the album, where someone's song has a perfect and limited partecipation of another singer.

OH MY GOD, NATURE IS FUCKING AWESOME OR WHATEVER IS THE TITLE: Well, all in all I like it. Not love it, but I like it. Favorite movements are The Blue, which is absolutely majestic, and the ending Ad Astra, whose theme surfaces again in The Moors. I don't mind listening to it now that the album is new, but I don't plan on going through it every time in the future. I'm already planning an edit version where I keep Vista (the beginning after all), The Blue, the second half of The Moors and then Ad Astra, that should make it 10-15 minutes long at worst and make it more listeneable.

Maybe it's not a composition that will go down in history, but I like how after all it's just little vignettes here and there inspired by various aspects of nature (someone should make a video for all these others pieces however, it would be trippy to see the corresponding landscapes while listening to it), and how Tuomas didn't try to write the most majestic and solemn and glorious and whatever piece of music ever composed, aiming to end it all with the grandiosest grandiose finale of all time with a thousand choirs and stuff like that. He kept it kinda simple, it makes for an easier listening experience, but as I said I already know I won't keep to listen forever to the second disc whenever I'll listen to the first.
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Post by: Evermind on April 13, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
What did you think about Procession though? :neverusethis:
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 13, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
What did you think about Procession though? :neverusethis:

 :facepalm:

Fixed  :biggrin:
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 14, 2020, 07:01:21 AM
I've come to the conclusion that this album is.... fantastic!

At first I was "what?", but then it fully conquered me. Yeah, it's weird, it's not that heavy, it doesn't have the killer classic song like Nemo, I Want My Tears Back or even Elan, but damn it's good! and Floor does UNREAL things on this album, she kicks ass!!!

Some brief thoughts on the songs...

MUSIC: Weirdest opener ever, what's up with two intros in one? anyway, the vocal melodies are superb and Floor already on the first song starts to shine. Bad opener, wonderful and amazing song.

NOISE: Feels like the "Mh, guess we have to have a single" kind of song. It's not bad, but it's the least good leading single off the last three albums, possibly four.


PROCESSION: Wonderful ballad, half elegy half celebration of the grandiose complexity of life. Who knew a crash course in biology could have been so haunting and beautiful?


Definitely agree on "Music" .  It's a weird track for the intro to the album.  Personally, I really like Noise.  I would put it at the same level/category/quality of say... Ghost River.  Especially love the transition in it.  Procession... every time I hear around the 1:00 mark all I hear is "Dead Gardens"  (Which is awesome).  It really sounds like something that could've been on "Once"
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Post by: ariich on April 14, 2020, 12:36:39 PM
I'm really, really digging How's the Heart. The main melody is so damn good. The first disc is generally pretty great all round, really solid stuff.

The second disc is also pretty good in a film score kind of way, but it's not exactly a standout example and on its own it doesn't feel like there's a narrative that it accompanies (though I don't doubt there is one underlying it). So it's fine but I think I'll be treating it as a completely separate thing that I rarely listen to, while the first disc will probably me my go-to Nightwish album for a little while.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2020, 12:40:02 PM
Hows the Heart has been tough to get out of my head.  I love that last verse when it gets a bit heavier too.

Also, lots of people say this album isn't as heavy.  If you take out disc 2, I don't feel at all that disc 1 isn't as heavy as usual.  It just doesn't start with that banger like their other albums do, although I absolutely love Music.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 14, 2020, 12:41:44 PM
The second disc is also pretty good in a film score kind of way, but it's not exactly a standout example and on its own it doesn't feel like there's a narrative that it accompanies (though I don't doubt there is one underlying it).

There are two themes I recognized - the main one of Ad Astra surfaces in the end of The Moors, and a bit of The Blue comes back for the movement with the ancient hymn or so. Maybe there's more, but I think they're just vignettes put in sequences - here's some music inspired by the sea, here's some inspired by the snow etc...
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Post by: Adami on April 14, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
Hows the Heart has been tough to get out of my head.  I love that last verse when it gets a bit heavier too.

Also, lots of people say this album isn't as heavy.  If you take out disc 2, I don't feel at all that disc 1 isn't as heavy as usual.  It just doesn't start with that banger like their other albums do, although I absolutely love Music.

I said it wasn't as heavy, and I still think so. That's not to say it's not heavy at all. It's probably pretty close to EFMB in that regard. Nightwish has just gotten less heavy over the last few albums. Still moments, but much less. Even a lot of the stuff with heavy guitar and drums is still pretty low key. Not an insult by any means, just an observation.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
Hows the Heart has been tough to get out of my head.  I love that last verse when it gets a bit heavier too.

Also, lots of people say this album isn't as heavy.  If you take out disc 2, I don't feel at all that disc 1 isn't as heavy as usual.  It just doesn't start with that banger like their other albums do, although I absolutely love Music.

I said it wasn't as heavy, and I still think so. That's not to say it's not heavy at all. It's probably pretty close to EFMB in that regard. Nightwish has just gotten less heavy over the last few albums. Still moments, but much less. Even a lot of the stuff with heavy guitar and drums is still pretty low key. Not an insult by any means, just an observation.

That wasn't directed at you, I've seen it all over in different places of people generally saying this is a softer album.  If you take the last track into account, yes, it really is.  If you look at disc 1, it's similar to EFMB I agree.  It's not AS heavy, but it's still pretty heavy.  Even a song like Harvest, the back half is pretty heavy.  Hows the Heart gets heavy, Procession even gets heavier as it goes.  It kind of reminds me of DT's TA album where everyone said it was soft, and yes, it was softer and a lot of songs started soft, so I get why people feel that way, but to me, it just feels a bit incomplete of an observation.  Once again, not directed at you, just kind of saying how I feel about that observation. 

Having said that, I've been thinking how to rank the songs.  I've listened plenty now and with all the lyric videos, I even know a lot of the lyrics now.  So here's my initial track rankings:

Pan
Music
Hows the Heart
Noise
Tribal
Harvest
Endlessness
Shoemaker
Procession
....
All the Works of Nature Which Adorn the World

should note, disc 1 doesn't have a bad song, there's not much difference between shoemaker and hows the heart
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Post by: Adami on April 14, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
Oh I know, but since I made that statement, I figured I'd back it up.

And we might be using the word heavy differently. I don't consider any part of Harvest heavy. Rocking, 100%, but not heavy. Simply having a thumping drum beat and distorted guitars doesn't make something heavy for me. Noise has a lot of heavy (Nightwish heavy at least) and so does stuff like Tribal and I think Pan, but a lot of the album is much more rocking/relaxing than heavy. Which is cool.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 14, 2020, 01:06:33 PM
Loving the album. Endless is really the only disc 1 song that hasn't clicked with me. Feels like a weak way to end the album.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on April 14, 2020, 01:19:55 PM
Amazon is now giving a delivery date of April 22, still a week away. I'm trying not to listen to it online until I get the CD in my hands, and I do understand they have to prioritise other deliveries, but man...
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Post by: ariich on April 15, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
I'm really, really digging How's the Heart. The main melody is so damn good.
I have moved on to being completely obsessed with this song. I just can't get enough of that chorus and Floor's performance.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2020, 04:49:51 PM
I'm really, really digging How's the Heart. The main melody is so damn good.
I have moved on to being completely obsessed with this song. I just can't get enough of that chorus and Floor's performance.

Love the call back to Elan, and also just after the 3 minute mark where it gets a bit heavier and Floor sings "How IS that heart?" gets me every time.  One of my favorite parts of the album.
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Post by: ariich on April 16, 2020, 12:05:07 AM
I'm really, really digging How's the Heart. The main melody is so damn good.
I have moved on to being completely obsessed with this song. I just can't get enough of that chorus and Floor's performance.

Love the call back to Elan, and also just after the 3 minute mark where it gets a bit heavier and Floor sings "How IS that heart?" gets me every time.  One of my favorite parts of the album.
Yep, also that final chorus.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2020, 01:06:48 AM
And especially the very ending! how Floor and Troy softly whisper "Come in, the fire's warm, burn the rope and dance some more" seems like a dream or a fairytale where you enter into a cozy cabin with a fireplace.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 16, 2020, 05:57:03 AM
I'm surprised by the warm reception on the forum, in other places I've read it's been criticized a bit more.

I enjoy it just as much as I did EFMB, which is to say, quite a bit. Love most of the individual songs on both, and this album's segmentation between the epic/symphonic side and the pure Nightwish side suits my tastes a lot more, so overall it will have a higher ranking in my heart than EFMB.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 16, 2020, 06:24:02 AM
What does it mean to burn the rope?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2020, 07:58:53 AM
What does it mean to burn the rope?

 :hat
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Post by: The Walrus on April 16, 2020, 08:04:17 AM
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2020, 08:05:46 AM
I actually have no idea, never heard that phrase before but it could mean that
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Post by: ariich on April 16, 2020, 04:06:52 PM
Could well be, I assumed it was about candles.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2020, 04:14:35 PM
Could well be, I assumed it was about candles.

That makes a bit more sense  :lol, but with all the nature lyrics and themes, plus Toumos literally hugging a tree in the Noise music video, kind of makes me think he smokes a bit of the herb.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 16, 2020, 04:16:58 PM
I want to get high with Tuomas. I have SOOOOOOO many questions.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 17, 2020, 07:14:31 AM
He definitely seems like a stoner to me. There's a significant overlap between wine drinkers and stoners  :lol
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Post by: Adami on April 17, 2020, 07:15:49 AM
No idea about being a stoner, but I was a bit surprised that he doesn't really listen to music anymore.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 17, 2020, 08:44:57 AM
Judging by how self-referential Nightwish is, I'm really not surprised  :P
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 17, 2020, 10:04:28 AM
No idea about being a stoner, but I was a bit surprised that he doesn't really listen to music anymore.

Isn't it obvious. Nature is his Music.
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Post by: Adami on April 17, 2020, 10:19:44 AM
No idea about being a stoner, but I was a bit surprised that he doesn't really listen to music anymore.

Isn't it obvious. Nature is his Music.

Well, apparently talk radio is his music.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 17, 2020, 10:34:12 PM
It's ironic, I first was exposed to Nightwish back around '15 I think?  I love Floor's voice and that was the hook for me along with the songs and symphonic nature of the music.  That being said....  After going through the catalogue the last 5 years I really think the "Perfect fit" album for me is Dark Passion Play.  Ironic because Annette is probably the least loved of the 3 by popular opinion.  Not sure if my love for DPP is because of her, the composition of the songs, or whatever.  I just know it's a fantastic album.

I have a hard time with anything before "Once", but that is an incredible album!!!.  As far as the 2 newer albums with Floor, I enjoy them but I wish they had the musical and emotional punch like DPP has.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2020, 04:17:30 AM
Well, I'm 150% happy that Floor is in and 0% sad that Annette is gone, but Imaginareum is and remains my favorite Nightwish album. At least in those two studio albums she did with the band she did great and I have no complains at all about her.
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Post by: ErHaO on April 18, 2020, 04:56:54 AM
Well, I'm 150% happy that Floor is in and 0% sad that Annette is gone, but Imaginareum is and remains my favorite Nightwish album. At least in those two studio albums she did with the band she did great and I have no complains at all about her.

It is the same for me.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 18, 2020, 07:20:33 AM
Well, I'm 150% happy that Floor is in and 0% sad that Annette is gone, but Imaginareum is and remains my favorite Nightwish album. At least in those two studio albums she did with the band she did great and I have no complains at all about her.
I agree whole heartedly with your Floor/Annette equation!  We've heard Floor perform a lot of songs off of both albums and she does a stellar job. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2020, 07:59:44 AM
I fooled around a bit with a sound editor and I managed to make my own 15 minutes version (14:40) of the symphonic suite.

I've kept:

- Vista, but trimming away a bit of the intro to go into the vocalizing part directly
- The Blue
- The Moors by cutting the middle section to keep mainly the Ad Astra theme
- The final part of Anthropocene when there's the reprise of the Blue theme
- Ad Astra

It's not that I don't like the parts I've cut, I've just kept what are the personal highlights for me. A 15 minutes instrumental to round off the album is easier in future listening than sitting through 31 minutes of musical landscapes each and every time I listen to the album.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 18, 2020, 08:46:46 AM
It's ironic, I first was exposed to Nightwish back around '15 I think?  I love Floor's voice and that was the hook for me along with the songs and symphonic nature of the music.  That being said....  After going through the catalogue the last 5 years I really think the "Perfect fit" album for me is Dark Passion Play.  Ironic because Annette is probably the least loved of the 3 by popular opinion.  Not sure if my love for DPP is because of her, the composition of the songs, or whatever.  I just know it's a fantastic album.

I have a hard time with anything before "Once", but that is an incredible album!!!.  As far as the 2 newer albums with Floor, I enjoy them but I wish they had the musical and emotional punch like DPP has.

DPP is my favorite too, and one of my top favs of all time. I think it’s because it was the first new album that I got to experience after getting into them. My best friend and I also saw that tour 3 times and I have so many memories of that album. I also have no problems with Anette.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2020, 09:15:39 AM
I was actually watching some Annette live footage with NW last night.  I know she got a lot of crap for not beign able to sing the Tarja songs, but I always enjoyed her way of doing those songs, and Imaginarium was the pinnacle of using her properly IMO.  I like the band better today with Floor and Troy officially in the band, but I certainly enjoyed the Annette era as well.
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Post by: bl5150 on April 18, 2020, 09:34:08 AM
Well, I'm 150% happy that Floor is in and 0% sad that Annette is gone, but Imaginareum is and remains my favorite Nightwish album. At least in those two studio albums she did with the band she did great and I have no complains at all about her.
I agree whole heartedly with your Floor/Annette equation!  We've heard Floor perform a lot of songs off of both albums and she does a stellar job.

The main frustration with the band from my point of view (as a big Floor fan) is that pretty much every one of her most memorable performances since joining the band is performing older songs live.  I have the feelng i am not alone there.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 18, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
Every time I see someone write about DPP I can't help but think

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Post by: jingle.boy on April 20, 2020, 05:33:34 AM
I'm not sure I saw this posted here yet?

How's the Heart (acoustic) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtkPpFYzOo)
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Post by: ariich on April 20, 2020, 06:38:46 AM
I'm not sure I saw this posted here yet?

How's the Heart (acoustic) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtkPpFYzOo)
It was pleasant enough until that last chorus and then DAMN.

Floor is just ridiculously great.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 20, 2020, 07:36:36 AM
She is incredible. Awesome performance.
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Post by: ariich on April 21, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
Could well be, I assumed it was about candles.

That makes a bit more sense  :lol, but with all the nature lyrics and themes, plus Toumos literally hugging a tree in the Noise music video, kind of makes me think he smokes a bit of the herb.
I've changed my mind about this. Pretty sure the song is about not giving up when feeling suicidal, and "burn the rope" is a reference to a noose. Particularly as the in the big final chorus (not including the quiet coda), it's "dull the blade" instead of "burn the rope".

It's a good example of Nightwish's inconsistency when it comes to lyrics - I love the chorus lyrics and find them really emotive now I realise what the song is about, but the verses are all quite awkwardly phrased.

EDIT: I should add, the verse lyrics are also good to read independently, it's just the phrasing that's weird.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Nice, good find to give some clarity.  I've actually enjoyed some of the lyrics on this album so far.  With all the lyrics videos they posted it makes it a bit easier to get into them but as you stated and others before, there's some inconsistencies plus the english always makes it a bit harder to truly understand.  Also, I'm so far from having any poetic thoughts or interpretations (I really struggled with this in high school english) that me finding literal references makes more sense in my mind.
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Post by: 425 on April 21, 2020, 09:31:57 PM
I'm listening to this for the first time right now, having not heard any of the singles. I'm still in the middle of the first disc, but so far I think y'all might be underselling how different this is.

There's a clear through-line from Once to Endless Forms Most Beautiful, and even though each of those albums more or less has its own identity, by the time of EFMB there were a lot of Tuomas songwriting staples that you could call out one by one (DCoW = Storytime = SBTB, WIHAA = BBB = WF, IWMTB = MW, LRotD = Alpenglow, etc.).

So far, on this album, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me overly of something else. On the contrary, I'm hearing a lot of songs that feel very different in sound and songwriting from anything they've done previously. Which is a pleasant surprise, because after EFMB, I thought there was a solid chance that Tuomas was settling into a rut.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2020, 08:33:16 AM
I think there are similarities, Noise sounds like many other NW songs.  Harvest reminds me of My Walden and Endlessness reminds me of Rest Calm.  There's definitely lots of new ideas too.  I think overall the album is different, but still very much NW.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 22, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
Yeah, some bits are definitely familiar, but I breathed a sigh of relief when the album went by and I didn't hear the Dark Chest of Wonders riff once. Once I had a dream, and this was truly it  :hat
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 22, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
As I said before, I think that Noise is the "mh, we need a single" song and Tribal is "Damn, we don't have enough heavy stuff on the album" song. Everything else feels fresh, new and very inspired.

Well, not new-new-superbrand new, it's still Nightwish of course, it's not that they never used folky influences or operatic sections before, but all the other songs are great and I have heard the album every day since its release, and I'm not planning to stop anytime soon - especially now that I created my edit version of the instrumental suite that does not go over 15 minutes.

Well, working from home helps a lot in this regard, some days I run out of stuff  to listen to.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
I have heard the album every day since its release, and I'm not planning to stop anytime soon

I've put a slow down on my listens, I didn't want to burn it out so quick. 
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2020, 10:09:45 AM
I listened to it when it came out...  :lol
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Post by: 425 on April 22, 2020, 10:53:41 AM
Sure, it's not like they went from symphonic metal to polka, but within the broad category of "symphonic metal with folk influence," they went pretty far away from what they'd done previously. I basically agree with the "pretty different, but still Nightwish" assessment.

Put another way, if you'd asked me in 2014 to guess what the next Nightwish album would sound like, I would pretty much be able to describe something very similar to EFMB to you (maybe with the exception of parts of The Greatest Show on Earth). But if you'd asked me in 2019 to guess, I think I would have been pretty far off the mark.
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Post by: ErHaO on April 22, 2020, 12:19:58 PM
I'm listening to this for the first time right now, having not heard any of the singles. I'm still in the middle of the first disc, but so far I think y'all might be underselling how different this is.

There's a clear through-line from Once to Endless Forms Most Beautiful, and even though each of those albums more or less has its own identity, by the time of EFMB there were a lot of Tuomas songwriting staples that you could call out one by one (DCoW = Storytime = SBTB, WIHAA = BBB = WF, IWMTB = MW, LRotD = Alpenglow, etc.).

So far, on this album, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me overly of something else. On the contrary, I'm hearing a lot of songs that feel very different in sound and songwriting from anything they've done previously. Which is a pleasant surprise, because after EFMB, I thought there was a solid chance that Tuomas was settling into a rut.

Oh I agree, the album is quite a bit different, except for Noise. Ofcourse it is recognisable as Nightwish and it contains all the elements that we associate with them, but I think the album feels really fresh as a whole.

Even the orchestral disc explores a different aspect of Tuomas' songwriting. The orchestral tracks on his Scrooge album sounded like Nightwish a lot and obviously the Imaginarium film soundtrack did as well, but the nature disc does not feel like a retread of the typical NW-orchestral parts. Say what you will about the concept of the second disc, I do think he was inspired to do new things for himself and with the band.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 22, 2020, 02:32:16 PM
I love the lead melody right at 3:00 in Harvest. Man, is that tasty!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2020, 02:45:00 PM
I love the lead melody right at 3:00 in Harvest. Man, is that tasty!

I really love the instrumental section of that song.  Really good song overall that wasn't an instant love when it came out as a single but has really grown on me
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 22, 2020, 02:52:44 PM
I love the lead melody right at 3:00 in Harvest. Man, is that tasty!

I really love the instrumental section of that song.  Really good song overall that wasn't an instant love when it came out as a single but has really grown on me

Same!
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Post by: TheSilentHam on April 23, 2020, 10:32:19 AM
I instantly loved Shoemaker, but now the whole album after a few more listens.  It helped imagining how the songs will sound live.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 23, 2020, 03:27:03 PM
I just can't get into How's Your Heart?
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Post by: Architeuthis on April 24, 2020, 11:43:20 AM
Just listened to the album for the first time last night, and loved it the first listen. Then I listened to it two more times over a six pack of beer and cranked it loud!
 This is ear candy, the production is very rich sounding and there is nothing that is overbearing in the mix at high volumes. Great songs, this album freakin ROCKS!   :tup :hat
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Post by: Architeuthis on April 29, 2020, 06:39:03 PM
Also, the drums sound amazing!   The feel of this album has a larger than life "live" kind of feel to it when cranked through a good stereo.
 The only shame about this release is that I wish disk 2 could be more like disk 1.    I mean you have a singer like Floor and decide to go instrumental.  :justjen

What do you guys think about the overall sound?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 29, 2020, 07:23:34 PM
Indeed, the mix is superb! Something I was definitely hoping they’d fix from the last album and they did.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2020, 07:25:25 PM
Yea, it's a big step up mix wise.

Though I'd say Imaginaerum has their best mix for my tastes.
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Post by: Architeuthis on April 30, 2020, 12:56:38 AM
I don't have imaginarium yet, but now you're making me want to buy it.  I need to open my mind to Annette's vocals, which is kind of hard to do after getting spoiled by Floor.
 But yeah, the new album does sound amazing!  :metal

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Imaginareum is still my favorite Nightwish album!

But this one is fantastic. I'm listening to it right now. I've listened once to it every day since its release. Amazing songs, I'm onto Shoemaker and this song is one of my favorites, but I have a hard time picking up one because the whole album is so damn strong and consistent.

Also, as I said before I made a 15 minutes edit version of the entire second disc, with the parts I prefer, to make it an easier listening experience, and have in the end a "single album" 65 minutes long.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 30, 2020, 01:34:13 AM
Imaginareum is still my favorite Nightwish album!

But this one is fantastic. I'm listening to it right now. I've listened once to it every day since its release. Amazing songs, I'm onto Shoemaker and this song is one of my favorites, but I have a hard time picking up one because the whole album is so damn strong and consistent.

Also, as I said before I made a 15 minutes edit version of the entire second disc, with the parts I prefer, to make it an easier listening experience, and have in the end a "single album" 65 minutes long.
Yeah I like disk 2, but I don't see myself listening to it on a regular basis. I get what they were going for, but I would have preferred a double disc album consisting of some more Rockers and MORE FLOOR like disk 1.  I can see why you edited to 15 minutes on disk 2.
 The first disc is musical bliss as far as I'm concerned, maybe even the best stuff they've ever done. Every song is just awesome,  10/10.
This is nothing new, but I wish they would let Emppu have the spotlight with lead guitar some more. He is a great guitar player and should not be back-seated by the Keys.  Just an observation, but his rhythm tracks more than make up for it!  :metal
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 30, 2020, 03:17:08 AM
Emppu is one of the most underrated guitarists out there. He has a lot of style and personality in his playing, and he's super recognizable, put him in a pile of other guitarists and make a medley and I'll always be able to point him out. But Tuomas isn't into writing in some space for guitar solos anymore.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2020, 09:17:59 AM
Emppu is one of the most underrated guitarists out there. He has a lot of style and personality in his playing, and he's super recognizable, put him in a pile of other guitarists and make a medley and I'll always be able to point him out. But Tuomas isn't into writing in some space for guitar solos anymore.

Is it possible Emppu is totally on board with less involvement and spotlight?

I think the spotlight is one issue this band has and it's a good issue to have.  Lots of talent, 3 voice, pipes, Troy adds guitars too... it's hard to spread the love so everyone shines.  I think they did well on this album although of course I would love more Floor and Emppu.
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Post by: 425 on April 30, 2020, 10:20:10 AM
Is it just me, or is there no listing for songwriting credits on this album? I can't find any on the CD packaging or official website. Are we just to assume Tuomas wrote the whole thing? I'm sure he wrote most of it, but every previous album has at least one song credited to Emppu or Marco.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 30, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
Is it just me, or is there no listing for songwriting credits on this album? I can't find any on the CD packaging or official website. Are we just to assume Tuomas wrote the whole thing? I'm sure he wrote most of it, but every previous album has at least one song credited to Emppu or Marco.

I took a look at the jewel case version and you’re right, band credits aren’t listed there for some strange reason. But they are on the other versions if I’m not mistaken.
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Post by: Architeuthis on April 30, 2020, 11:36:01 AM
I noticed that too, no band credits. Weird!   There is credits for the symphony and choir though. I wonder if it's an oversight with the omission of the band credits or just an artsy fartsy move. lol
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2020, 11:36:51 AM
So it’s the opposite of the Road Salt albums?
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 30, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Emppu is one of the most underrated guitarists out there. He has a lot of style and personality in his playing, and he's super recognizable, put him in a pile of other guitarists and make a medley and I'll always be able to point him out. But Tuomas isn't into writing in some space for guitar solos anymore.

Is it possible Emppu is totally on board with less involvement and spotlight?
Yeah, definitely. He doesn't really have an ego and doesn't need to be the guitar hero.

I thiiiiiink Marco wrote his song but don't quote me on that.

So it’s the opposite of the Road Salt albums?
:lol
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Post by: 425 on April 30, 2020, 02:37:39 PM
Is it just me, or is there no listing for songwriting credits on this album? I can't find any on the CD packaging or official website. Are we just to assume Tuomas wrote the whole thing? I'm sure he wrote most of it, but every previous album has at least one song credited to Emppu or Marco.

I took a look at the jewel case version and you’re right, band credits aren’t listed there for some strange reason. But they are on the other versions if I’m not mistaken.

Huh, that's weird. I have the jewel case version, and I'd be interested to know who wrote what, so if anyone has a version that does list the songwriting credits and doesn't mind posting something like a list of what isn't just solely credited to Tuomas, I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2020, 02:46:40 PM
Speaking of Emppu, I much prefer him in Brother Firetribe. You know, the band he actually plays guitars for.  :lol

I've warmed up a bit to this new Nightwish. I like it more than Endless Forms, definitely. But I don't quite think the highs are as high as Imaginaerum's, for me. I really dig the orchestral epic at the end and don't care one bit that Floor isn't dominating that track, in fact I actually like that it doesn't try to force in words. In fact the only song I haven't warmed up to is Shoemaker, it's the My Walden of this record for me, just can't get into it at all. Harvest would be the runner-up; I like the melodies and the mood but Troy just isn't that compelling to me. It certainly adds a new dimension to Nightwish's sound that I hadn't previously considered, which is cool.

I think How's the Heart? might be my favorite of the record right now - or Music. Not sure where this album ranks compared to the others yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2020, 03:21:10 PM
For me, I think EFMB is still their best, but I'm not really sure where to rank this album compared to the rest.  It's probably somewhere in the middle maybe slightly under the middle really and that's not because it's bad, I think I just like albums like Once, Imaginarium, and EFMB more.  I'm not ready to say how it compared to DPP, Century Child, or Wishmaster which I feel is the level this is at.  (BTW, all amazing albums IMO).  I think it's better than Angels Fall First and Oceanborn though
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 01, 2020, 05:43:07 AM
Speaking of Emppu, I much prefer him in Brother Firetribe. You know, the band he actually plays guitars for.  :lol
They were kind of ahead of the times with the 80's rock revival thing  :metal Pekka Heino is one of my favorite singers, and Emppu one of my fave guitarists, so that's a match made in heaven. I remember reading their forums and just generally having a blast tracking their progress in the very beginning, hope they last until the next Nightwish break so I can actually see them play live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 06:08:15 AM
I love Emppu, but mostly for his personality and how that comes out in his playing and on stage. Strictly as a guitarist I wouldn't say he's underrated at all. He's very very mediocre. He hits all the right notes, and that's awesome, but there's nothing that really stands out about his playing other than his personality, which again, I love.

My favorite memories of Emppu were at their show in San Diego in 2012. I was driving to the gig and ended up being right behind their tour bus and his head was out the window like a dog and it was god damn adorable how excited he seemed. Then when I was lucky enough to meet the whole band, he was the only one who asked me questions and showed a genuine interest in talking. So, if anything, I'd say he's underrated as a human being.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bl5150 on May 01, 2020, 06:12:55 AM
Brother Firetribe did a Facebook live acoustic perfomance on April 28th (if memory serves correct) , so check that out if you like BF and weren't aware.

Emppu appears on the upcoming album but is no longer an active member of the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 06:29:12 AM
So he quit playing guitar?  :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on May 01, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
I don't have imaginarium yet, but now you're making me want to buy it.  I need to open my mind to Annette's vocals, which is kind of hard to do after getting spoiled by Floor.

I've pointed this out before, but I'll say it again:  Imaginarium has two things going for it: Musically, it is stellar.  And vocally, it was written with Anette's voice in mind, so her vocals fit in seemlessly.  To contrast that with DPP, that album was not really written with her voice in mind as part of the plan, so sometimes she sound really good; other times, less so.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 01, 2020, 10:40:34 AM
I don't have imaginarium yet, but now you're making me want to buy it.  I need to open my mind to Annette's vocals, which is kind of hard to do after getting spoiled by Floor.

I've pointed this out before, but I'll say it again:  Imaginarium has two things going for it: Musically, it is stellar.  And vocally, it was written with Anette's voice in mind, so her vocals fit in seemlessly.  To contrast that with DPP, that album was not really written with her voice in mind as part of the plan, so sometimes she sound really good; other times, less so.

I very much agree with this. Anette gives a really strong performance on that album. She even nails the epic stuff, like Song of Myself, because it's actually written to her voice.

If it wasn't for Floor being so incredible, I'd say it was a shame Anette didn't get a third album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
Anette was fantastic on that album. She was okay on DDP and she was much less than great live. She was serviceable much of the time live, but Nightwish needs much much more than that, which they got in spades with Floor.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Hard to argue with what you all are saying.  I do think Annette sounds fine on DPP, but she is much better on Imaginearium and she was never the greatest live.  Floor most certainly took it to the next level but songs like Storytime were better wtih Annette IMO. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 10:47:14 AM
The highs of Imaginaerum (re: Anette) are higher than DPP, but I prefer Anette's performance and melodies on DPP to Imaginaerum's. Imaginaerum is too uneven and hasn't aged as well for me, at least, if we're strictly talking about the vocal parts. Where I used to love Scaretale, I cringe at it now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 01, 2020, 11:03:46 AM
Scaretale is very "Tuomas trying to write a Disney song Tuomas." Depends, like many of Nightwish's more eccentric offerings, on the listener's tolerance of Tuomas's various oddities.

I like it. Probably least out of all the songs on the album, but that's my second-favorite Nightwish album, so it's still pretty good. The main flaw in my book is that either Tuomas or Marco, or both, do not know how to pronounce "morgue" in English/French, and thus make it two syllables ("morg-way").
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 12:00:35 PM
I love Scaretale, but I also love weirder songs that try new things. One of my issues is when bands play it safe and know exactly what works and just continue to do that as much as possible.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 01, 2020, 12:00:50 PM
Tossing another coin in the "Annette was great on Imaginaerum but now that they have Floor all is nice and happy".

How Mike Portnoy phrased the split with Derek? "It was not what was wrong with Derek, but what was right Jordan". Well, same here I'd say. I like Dark Passion Play just fine, and as I said no longer than a page ago probably - Imaginaerum is still my favorite Nightwish album. But Floor is absolutely the perfect singer for the band, especially live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
I love Scaretale for the first minute and a half or whatever until Anette comes in. Actually, I like the first part of Anette's singing there, but when it gets real extra with the "burning farms..." it's a little silly even for me. But that first minute? Oh lord. One of the most powerful moments in Nightwish's entire discography. Playing it loudly on a good set of speakers is divine.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
I love Scaretale for the first minute and a half or whatever until Anette comes in. Actually, I like the first part of Anette's singing there, but when it gets real extra with the "burning farms..." it's a little silly even for me. But that first minute? Oh lord. One of the most powerful moments in Nightwish's entire discography. Playing it loudly on a good set of speakers is divine.

I love it all! I love theatrical stuff.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ba/ba8a77aedbc43f46d1979934db3b3e40e543bc6bc2535acf6589b73f93d56cb9.jpg)
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 12:48:28 PM
 :lol

Adami, is this a subtle admission of your love for Luca Turilli?  :biggrin:
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Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 12:50:57 PM
:lol

Adami, is this a subtle admission of your love for Luca Turilli?  :biggrin:

Subtle? I own all of his Rhapsody albums (I think, maybe not the last 1-2) and his solo albums that are DAMN over the top.

I don't have his recent stuff, but mostly because I'm just too busy and he's too Luca. Also he just repeats himself WAY too much.

But his first two solo albums I love.

PROUDLY!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on May 01, 2020, 12:56:46 PM
I don't remember what Scaretale sounds like, but I was never a fan of that circus section.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 12:56:55 PM
*sniffle* I'm not crying.

You should really check out that Turilli/Lione album though, if you like that super high-end symphonic, theatrical stuff. You'd like it.
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Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 01:00:05 PM
*sniffle* I'm not crying.

You should really check out that Turilli/Lione album though, if you like that super high-end symphonic, theatrical stuff. You'd like it.

Yea, my main problem with Luca, as I said, is that all just started sounding the same. WAY too much for me. When I know exactly what chords/melodies you're going to do before you do it, I tend to check out.

If you recommend it though, I'll give it a listen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
Well, if you haven't heard the Luca Turilli's Rhapsody records with Alessandro Conti on vocals, then I think you're going to be in for quite a surprise, I think. And a little Deepak Chopra.  :lol Let me know what you think whenever you hear it.

I just revisited the circus part of Scaretale. Marco's singing is uh... something  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
I love Scaretale for the first minute and a half or whatever until Anette comes in. Actually, I like the first part of Anette's singing there, but when it gets real extra with the "burning farms..." it's a little silly even for me. But that first minute? Oh lord. One of the most powerful moments in Nightwish's entire discography. Playing it loudly on a good set of speakers is divine.

I've always really liked the song, but you are right that the intro is so damn good to that song, best part of the song.
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Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 01:05:07 PM
Well, if you haven't heard the Luca Turilli's Rhapsody records with Alessandro Conti on vocals, then I think you're going to be in for quite a surprise, I think. And a little Deepak Chopra.  :lol Let me know what you think whenever you hear it.

I just revisited the circus part of Scaretale. Marco's singing is uh... something  :lol

I heard a few songs from it and they weren't for me. Not bad, but a bit meh.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 01, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
Scaretale's circus section is way, way, way, way better than the "grunting apes" part of Tribal, the one with the skeleton dance in the video.

Fight me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
Scaretale's circus section is way, way, way, way better than the "grunting apes" part of Tribal, the one with the skeleton dance in the video.

Fight me.

I'll not only fight you, but Adami. At the same time. In the snow!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2020, 01:14:28 PM
Scaretale's circus section is way, way, way, way better than the "grunting apes" part of Tribal, the one with the skeleton dance in the video.

Fight me.

I'll not only fight you, but Adami. At the same time. In the snow!

BRING IT! I WILL MAKE YOU A GOD DAMN SNOW ANGEL WHEN I'M DONE!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2020, 01:18:17 PM
I think I just leaked a little. I wasn't ready for that.
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Post by: Zook on May 01, 2020, 01:21:35 PM
I've only listened to the new album a couple times. I don't remember any grunting apes.
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Post by: 425 on May 01, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
It's about 2:00 into Tribal.
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Post by: Zook on May 01, 2020, 02:21:37 PM
It's about 2:00 into Tribal.

Right. That's not a deal breaker. I actually prefer that to the animal noises in TGSOE. I made an edit removing those, using the instrumental and orchestral versions. Could be worse I suppose. The next album might have Floor full on death metal growling through a whole song. Just because she can, doesn't mean she should.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2020, 02:46:18 PM
I watched some tracks from Decades last night, man that performance of TGSOE is so damn good.  The full intro with Toumas and Troy is so beautiful.  I kind of always felt the song is pretty bloated, but that intro worked really well with both of them.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 01, 2020, 03:55:51 PM
I love Scaretale for the first minute and a half or whatever until Anette comes in. Actually, I like the first part of Anette's singing there, but when it gets real extra with the "burning farms..." it's a little silly even for me. But that first minute? Oh lord. One of the most powerful moments in Nightwish's entire discography. Playing it loudly on a good set of speakers is divine.

The part that gets me is the cartoony Disney way she says "Blind Me" with that echo. :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 01, 2020, 03:57:47 PM
Scaretale's circus section is way, way, way, way better than the "grunting apes" part of Tribal, the one with the skeleton dance in the video.

Fight me.

I actually like that part of Tribal. It fits better than Scaretales grunts. It will be amazing to hear them do that rhythm live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2020, 04:20:46 PM
Scaretale's circus section is way, way, way, way better than the "grunting apes" part of Tribal, the one with the skeleton dance in the video.

Fight me.

I actually like that part of Tribal. It fits better than Scaretales grunts. It will be amazing to hear them do that rhythm live.

I like that part too, it fits the song.  I think the circus music fits Scaretale too which is why I don't hate it even though musically I don't love it, I understand it fits the song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 01, 2020, 04:26:03 PM
Scaretale's circus section is way, way, way, way better than the "grunting apes" part of Tribal, the one with the skeleton dance in the video.

Fight me.

I actually like that part of Tribal. It fits better than Scaretales grunts. It will be amazing to hear them do that rhythm live.

I like that part too, it fits the song.  I think the circus music fits Scaretale too which is why I don't hate it even though musically I don't love it, I understand it fits the song.

I'm like Kattle, I used to really enjoy it. Now, I have to really want to listen to it. That circus part fits great, especially after watching the Movie.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 01, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
Scaretale is great, but does drag a bit for me after it's initial minutes. I also think the ape sounds in Tribal are great.

And the end section of Shoemaker is probably my favourite operatic part of Floor, it sounds so great.

*sniffle* I'm not crying.

You should really check out that Turilli/Lione album though, if you like that super high-end symphonic, theatrical stuff. You'd like it.

Yea, my main problem with Luca, as I said, is that all just started sounding the same. WAY too much for me. When I know exactly what chords/melodies you're going to do before you do it, I tend to check out.

If you recommend it though, I'll give it a listen.

For what it's worth, I think the latest Turilli/Lione album is not a classic-Rhapsody rehash, despite it obviously having all the trademark sounds of both Turilli and Lione (kind of like this latest Nightwish album, actually). I think the album has a more electronic ("modern") feel to the classical sounds/orchestrations than in the past, which does give it a bit of a different vibe for me. The album is about science fiction, rather than dark lords and dwarves and stuff. And it sounds like it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
BTW, I'm watching Floor videos and it's already twice that she mentioned she kinda hopes to see people doing the "skeleton dance" from Tribal so I think it's a given that it will be the setlist. She also said that Shoemaker isn't really a live song but if so many people seem to appreciate it, they might consider it after all. She also looks forward a lot to How's the Heart.

I hope they do have Shoemaker in the setlist, it's one of my favorite songs on the album  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on May 02, 2020, 01:09:43 PM
I love Emppu, but mostly for his personality and how that comes out in his playing and on stage. Strictly as a guitarist I wouldn't say he's underrated at all. He's very very mediocre. He hits all the right notes, and that's awesome, but there's nothing that really stands out about his playing other than his personality, which again, I love.

 Then when I was lucky enough to meet the whole band, he was the only one who asked me questions and showed a genuine interest in talking. So, if anything, I'd say he's underrated as a human being.
I would say Emppu is way beyond a mediocre guitar player. His rhythm playing is right up there with Hetfield and he can pull off some pretty technical solos and unisons. Gethsemane and Stargazer come to mind. He has his shining moments, but his role in Nightwish is more rhythmic.
 He does come across as a great human being too.  I get a good laugh when I see him drinking beer on stage.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2020, 01:13:52 PM
I hate that I'm having to argue against Emppu since I love him, but no he is NOT right up there with hetfield. He's fine, not bad at all, but nowhere near Hetfield level of rhythm and he can do some of the complex stuff in the studio but either skips it live or really struggles with it.

Not a knock. He doesn't HAVE to be amazing. He does his job just right.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on May 02, 2020, 01:40:43 PM
It's all good, no argument here. I just wanted to point out his strong points. I'm also pretty impressed with his live playing. He's got a really good stage presence.
Btw, does he play the same guitar (purple ESP) all the time, or does he just have a bunch of the same model for live shows?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 02, 2020, 01:51:11 PM
He probably has a few for different tunings and such, and I think he changed models over the years as well, but probably not like a lineup of guitars or anything. It's not that difficult to just use one guitar consistently, just ask Brian May!

Blast from the past with this guitar discussion, "Emppu should have kept using Washburn" is the NW fandom version of "John Petrucci should have kept using Ibanez".
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on May 02, 2020, 02:04:38 PM
Interesting, I'll have to look that up. Washburn makes great guitars and I always wanted to try out the Tevor Rabin signature model. I've heard nothing but good about it.
I was kind of late on the Nightwish train, so I had no idea Emppu played Washburn guitars.  :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2020, 02:19:15 PM
i love every moment of Scaretale.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 02, 2020, 03:36:26 PM
I watched some tracks from Decades last night, man that performance of TGSOE is so damn good.  The full intro with Toumas and Troy is so beautiful.  I kind of always felt the song is pretty bloated, but that intro worked really well with both of them.

I think I’m one of the only ones who think TGSOE is an absolute masterpiece beginning to end, even with the animal/nature sounds. It unwinds in a great way and it’s very soothing. Listening to the whole thing on a big stereo or a great pair of headphones is (dare I say) the ultimate Nightwish experience.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 02, 2020, 03:54:34 PM
I was kind of late on the Nightwish train, so I had no idea Emppu played Washburn guitars.  :metal
Wikipedia says he used them up until 2004, so I guess the coolest thing to watch for them is their From Wishes To Eternity DVD. This was before Marco, so they had guest vocals from Tapio Wilska and Tony Kakko on two of the songs, and it's a great setlist. I probably know it frame by frame tbh  :hat they have a number of great recordings from the early days, but this is like the foundational text.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 02, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
I watched some tracks from Decades last night, man that performance of TGSOE is so damn good.  The full intro with Toumas and Troy is so beautiful.  I kind of always felt the song is pretty bloated, but that intro worked really well with both of them.

I think I’m one of the only ones who think TGSOE is an absolute masterpiece beginning to end, even with the animal/nature sounds. It unwinds in a great way and it’s very soothing. Listening to the whole thing on a big stereo or a great pair of headphones is (dare I say) the ultimate Nightwish experience.

I always really liked it but started to love it later on. The live versions are superior though, Endless Forms Most Beautiful can sound a bit lifeless sometimes. Love the Tampere and Decades performances.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2020, 10:35:51 AM
I was kind of late on the Nightwish train, so I had no idea Emppu played Washburn guitars.  :metal
Wikipedia says he used them up until 2004, so I guess the coolest thing to watch for them is their From Wishes To Eternity DVD. This was before Marco, so they had guest vocals from Tapio Wilska and Tony Kakko on two of the songs, and it's a great setlist. I probably know it frame by frame tbh  :hat they have a number of great recordings from the early days, but this is like the foundational text.

That's a great concert dvd, what's funny is they are playing a club but that type of venue is still similar to what you might see them in the US, or at least I had before. That type of sweaty club show is so good for that raw music they were playing back then. Tarja is so good on that too plus lots more activity from Emppu
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 08, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
For some reason i've seen a wave of new NW reaction videos of Ghost Love Score on YT and other songs. It's so funny how some of them react like they've never heard of the concept of music.  :lol

It's cool seeing people getting excited for cool music they've never heard but some reactions feels so incredible forced like they know if they react positive and amazed they will get a bunch of likes from fans of the respective band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TheSilentHam on May 08, 2020, 12:30:40 PM
For some reason i've seen a wave of new NW reaction videos of Ghost Love Score on YT and other songs. It's so funny how some of them react like they've never heard of the concept of music.  :lol

It's cool seeing people getting excited for cool music they've never heard but some reactions feels so incredible forced like they know if they react positive and amazed they will get a bunch of likes from fans of the respective band.

Yeah you can tell that a good number of them are because the word is out "Want a quick 1000 subs... react to Ghost Love Score".  However, there are also a good number who are genuinely moved and become fans, even a few who were there initially for the subs
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2020, 12:32:09 PM
For some reason i've seen a wave of new NW reaction videos of Ghost Love Score on YT and other songs. It's so funny how some of them react like they've never heard of the concept of music.  :lol

It's cool seeing people getting excited for cool music they've never heard but some reactions feels so incredible forced like they know if they react positive and amazed they will get a bunch of likes from fans of the respective band.

I can't stand these videos... having said that, I did record one of myself listening to Tribal for the first time because I've been feeling like I have a lack of ideas for youtube videos at the moment.  I watched it after and deleted it, thought it was terrible.  I didn't force anything, but I also just felt it was super boring and uninteresting.  I did tweet 3 seconds of it (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1248454089937022984), during the chanting part that was discussed here recently  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 08, 2020, 12:55:59 PM
For some reason i've seen a wave of new NW reaction videos of Ghost Love Score on YT and other songs. It's so funny how some of them react like they've never heard of the concept of music.  :lol

It's cool seeing people getting excited for cool music they've never heard but some reactions feels so incredible forced like they know if they react positive and amazed they will get a bunch of likes from fans of the respective band.

Yeah you can tell that a good number of them are because the word is out "Want a quick 1000 subs... react to Ghost Love Score".  However, there are also a good number who are genuinely moved and become fans, even a few who were there initially for the subs

Yea, same for Pisces by Jinjer.

I'm not a big fan of normal react videos. I like when pros will analyze or discuss what is happening or if it's someone who is not normally into that thing. But seeing a random person open their mouth and smile during a song is just a bit boring.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 08, 2020, 01:18:30 PM
Lost In Vegas remains the only channel I pay attention to.

The only exception is whenever Eminem drops a new song or album, because it is absolutely hilarious to watch some people make the "oh that's NASTY/DOPE" face when they hear great wordplay or flow. Sometimes I look those up just for fun to see if they react the same way I do  :lol

The cringiest one I ever saw was a reaction to Ghost Love Score and the woman started bawling her freaking eyes out 2 seconds after Floor opened her mouth, fanning herself and everything. Just stop  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2020, 01:22:10 PM
In other news, Wishmaster is 20 years old!!!! Released on this day in 2000!

Hamster!
A dentist!
Hard porn!
Steven Seagal!

 :metal

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TheSilentHam on May 08, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
 :metal  Too bad they didn't (don't) have the popularity to be Weird Al'd
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2020, 01:37:15 PM
In other news, Wishmaster is 20 years old!!!! Released on this day in 2000!

Hamster!
A dentist!
Hard porn!
Steven Seagal!

 :metal



That video used to crack me up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 08, 2020, 04:28:39 PM
This still doesn't hit me very hard, but the day Once turns 20 years old, prepare to hear me whine and bitch about being let into the old fogey thread early. Like, that was "the new Nightwish album". Nowadays it's about as far back as people go .
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2020, 04:32:52 PM
Wishmaster will always have that adorable exuberance of youth. A young band that has a lot of energy, tries many new things, and is fully in love with the fantasy stuff they were into. Sure, some of it sounds a bit dated or cheesy in retrospect but I'll always consider it a strong record and an early classic of the band. Who knew 20 years later how many things would have changed...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 08, 2020, 04:49:27 PM
Yeah, it's just exquisite. Catch me not giving a single fuck about the cheese. The holy trinity of Oceanborn - Wishmaster - Century Child has a lot of my favorite songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 08, 2020, 04:54:17 PM
Yeah, it's just exquisite. Catch me not giving a single fuck about the cheese. The holy trinity of Oceanborn - Wishmaster - Century Child has a lot of my favorite songs.

Yup! I loooooove oceanborn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 08, 2020, 06:16:02 PM
Man, Once was my first Nightwish album back when I was 13 in 2006. Time flies.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 08, 2020, 06:27:26 PM
Losers

Century Child was the first one for me. Managed to see them on their first ever headlining US show. So fun.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
Losers

Century Child was the first one for me. Managed to see them on their first ever headlining US show. So fun.

I first heard Nightwish in '05.  Planet Hell came on this internet radio station I was listening to.  Changed my musical life.  Seriously... one of those Top 5 moments of that influenced my musical tastes and direction.  I'm not overly fond of the Tarja-era pure operatic vocal albums.  There's some gems in there, but for me, the awesomeness of Nightwish starts with Century Child.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 08, 2020, 08:38:45 PM
I first heard them back in 1997, a friend of mine in Finland had an advance copy of AFF.
He phoned me up and played the first song Elvenpath, even through the phone line from the other side of the world I was floored. Never heard anything like it before, the romance with Nightwish has lasted many years now, but for me the band lost a lot of appeal when Tarja left, and Anette great on both records, but lacking live.

The last 2 albums with Floor, have been good, solid efforts but sadly lacking for me any real appeal to listen as many times as I have the back catalogue of works. On paper she should be a perfect match, live she is great, but I'm not sure if they have the right chemistry in the studio  :chill
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 09, 2020, 03:26:12 AM
Man, Once was my first Nightwish album back when I was 13 in 2006. Time flies.
We're the same person (I was 14).

It's always a good sign when a band manages to hold your interest (with some pauses for me) for that long.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2020, 04:23:12 AM
They definitively did that with me, album after album.

It's a weird thing my appreciation for Nightwish because, as a matter of fact, I like all the albums and I don't miss any of their concerts, but at the same time I don't have that level of fandom and interest that makes me read all the interviews, follow all the band members on social media, talk about it online all the time etc etc etc... I mean, they come out with an album, I like it, I go to the concert and enjoy it a lot, and then I go back minding my own business and following other bands  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2020, 05:28:57 AM
Tour dates for Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are finally postponed (were originally scheduled to take place this May) to June 2021. Moscow date is Monday which kinda sucks, I think I'll have to take a day off or two to be at the venue early though. Still, looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2020, 06:44:03 AM
Losers

Century Child was the first one for me. Managed to see them on their first ever headlining US show. So fun.
CC for me too. I liked it a ton, and same with Once when that came out. Never properly got into the albums before though, other than a handful of songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2020, 07:26:16 AM
I still haven't replaced my copy of Century Child. I lost my copy a week after I bought it, along with like 20 other CDs when I destroyed my car. I still have the booklet, but that's it. Ever Dream was always far and away the best song on that record imo, definitely one of Nightwish's all time bests.

Oceanborn will always be my #2, I think, behind DPP. There's so much on that record they just abandoned some years later, and there's nothing else quite like Sleeping Sun in their discography. I miss that old Nightwish sound before they became The Cinematic Band: The Movie: The Orchestra
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 09, 2020, 08:08:06 AM
I always really liked it but started to love it later on. The live versions are superior though, Endless Forms Most Beautiful can sound a bit lifeless sometimes. Love the Tampere and Decades performances.
I think the Decades performance is the best!!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2020, 08:47:04 AM
I still haven't replaced my copy of Century Child. I lost my copy a week after I bought it, along with like 20 other CDs when I destroyed my car. I still have the booklet, but that's it. Ever Dream was always far and away the best song on that record imo, definitely one of Nightwish's all time bests.

On that album a strong contender is Beauty and the Beast. Or is it Beauty OF the beast? anyway, the 10 minutes ending song, not the one of the debut  :lol I'd loooove for the song to come back to the setlist with the Floor treatment.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2020, 11:18:31 AM
I always really liked it but started to love it later on. The live versions are superior though, Endless Forms Most Beautiful can sound a bit lifeless sometimes. Love the Tampere and Decades performances.
I think the Decades performance is the best!!

I rewatched Tampere the other week and agree, the Decades performance of TGSOE is the best IMO.

I didn't get into Nightwish until DPP was already released, but Century Child was the first album I heard with Ever Dream and Beauty of the Beast being my favorites back then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on May 09, 2020, 11:28:25 AM
It's a weird thing my appreciation for Nightwish because, as a matter of fact, I like all the albums and I don't miss any of their concerts, but at the same time I don't have that level of fandom and interest that makes me read all the interviews, follow all the band members on social media, talk about it online all the time etc etc etc... I mean, they come out with an album, I like it, I go to the concert and enjoy it a lot, and then I go back minding my own business and following other bands  ;D

I don't find that weird at all. That is how I approach most bands. I'd consider Iron Maiden one of my Top 5 bands, and I don't really "follow" the band at all, in terms of interviews, social media, etc.... I just love their music and shows.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 10, 2020, 05:15:06 AM
For some reason i've seen a wave of new NW reaction videos of Ghost Love Score on YT and other songs. It's so funny how some of them react like they've never heard of the concept of music.  :lol

It's cool seeing people getting excited for cool music they've never heard but some reactions feels so incredible forced like they know if they react positive and amazed they will get a bunch of likes from fans of the respective band.

Yeah you can tell that a good number of them are because the word is out "Want a quick 1000 subs... react to Ghost Love Score".  However, there are also a good number who are genuinely moved and become fans, even a few who were there initially for the subs

Yea, same for Pisces by Jinjer.

I'm not a big fan of normal react videos. I like when pros will analyze or discuss what is happening or if it's someone who is not normally into that thing. But seeing a random person open their mouth and smile during a song is just a bit boring.
I just checked on YT, if you search for GLS reaction videos there's 1000s of videos and about half of them being rappers.  ???

Here's some i've seen:

Musicologist reacts to
Photographers reacts to
Rapper reacts to
Rescue Dog reacts to
Ariana Grande fan reacts to
Event Technician reacts to
Homeschooling Mom of 11 Reacts to


I know it's more than just NW but I feel so outdated on what's going on.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on May 10, 2020, 07:31:59 AM
For some reason i've seen a wave of new NW reaction videos of Ghost Love Score on YT and other songs. It's so funny how some of them react like they've never heard of the concept of music.  :lol

It's cool seeing people getting excited for cool music they've never heard but some reactions feels so incredible forced like they know if they react positive and amazed they will get a bunch of likes from fans of the respective band.

Yeah you can tell that a good number of them are because the word is out "Want a quick 1000 subs... react to Ghost Love Score".  However, there are also a good number who are genuinely moved and become fans, even a few who were there initially for the subs

Yea, same for Pisces by Jinjer.

I'm not a big fan of normal react videos. I like when pros will analyze or discuss what is happening or if it's someone who is not normally into that thing. But seeing a random person open their mouth and smile during a song is just a bit boring.
I just checked on YT, if you search for GLS reaction videos there's 1000s of videos and about half of them being rappers.  ???

Here's some i've seen:

Musicologist reacts to
Photographers reacts to
Rapper reacts to
Rescue Dog reacts to
Ariana Grande fan reacts to
Event Technician reacts to
Homeschooling Mom of 11 Reacts to


I know it's more than just NW but I feel so outdated on what's going on.  :lol


It's easy money. Reaction videos and top ten lists are the best way to get subscribers and that youtube money.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2020, 09:15:21 AM
I don't think you can make any money once you put the copyright music in the video, but yea, its for attention to your channel.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 12, 2020, 05:12:32 PM
Was just watching an Instragram chat from Floor, last week of April, and she pretty much said chances for the US tour are pretty much slim to none.  Yeah, we figured that, but it still sucks to hear her say it.

It's funny like many of you were mentioning about the youtube reactors getting mad subscription and $$$ of the Night wish reactions.  I really enjoy a lot of the reaction vids.  You can pretty much tell the folks who are genuine in their reaction and the ones who instantly get rabidly hooked on the band!  Those are the ones I enjoy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 12, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
It sucks that the recent concerts of Floor had to be cancelled, as she succesfully crowdfunded a dvd-recording. I reaaally loved that show back in January. That said, they will eventually still do the show and record it. But I assume as soon as concerts are allowed again, Nightwish takes the priority.

And in regards to Nightwish here, I think the current plans of our government are no large concerts/events until there is a vaccine. So unless the viral outbreak has died down or other major developments have happened, even the Nightwish Ziggodome concerts late 2020 seem like they will be cancelled (having a vaccine tested and then produced on a global time takes time, even with the fast tracked development and testing). I also think many EU countries will have similar plans. Though hopefully they can repurpose larger event halls for concerts with smaller crowds (as the space in those arenas does allow for a lot of flexability).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2020, 01:40:26 AM
Throwing in the randomest of tidbits: I really like the ending of Harvest, the simplicity of the little touch of rounding up the chorus with doubling on "surrender to earth" and conclude with "Arrive alive" is a very nice way to end the song.

Some more ramblings: when I'll get back to work, it will be finally time to have a Nightwish compilation to listen to, and I always like to create my compilations organizing them as setlists of an imaginary show. The "problems" I have is making room for all the songs - I must be the only one not crazy about Tribal, but that's the only song I wouldn't put in my compilation / setlist, but I'd love to include all the other 8 songs, which would hardly leave room for all the other old songs I'd like to sneak in (yeah, I'm having imaginary problems in creating an imaginary setlist.... I remind you we're on a prog metal forum, stranger things have happened  ;D)

Also, I have doubts about the opening. What do you reckon will be the opening song of the new shows? I'm undecided between Music and Noise. Noise would start things off with a good punch, but if you don't put Music as the first song, where else do you put it in the set? as first encore? it's a weird song, in the context of the excitement of a live show I think it has a too slow buildup until the second chorus finally gets things going. Maybe if they have a big theatrical production they could work around it having people concentrated on the scenery and Floor singing with the spotlight basically all on herself, but I can't see it as the opening song as of now. Heck, maybe they won't even play it. In my imaginary world they'd definitively would, only I don't know where to put it in the "set"  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2020, 05:28:25 AM
I would expect Music to be first followed by Noise.  But wouldn't be surprised if they swapped those two for the reasons you stated. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TheSilentHam on May 14, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
I fully expect Music to be the opener.  Probably everything up until Floor starts singing to be piped in as the band comes to the stage.  Different from their usual openers, but it makes sense - I don't think too many would be upset about it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
I fully expect Music to be the opener.  Probably everything up until Floor starts singing to be piped in as the band comes to the stage.  Different from their usual openers, but it makes sense - I don't think too many would be upset about it.

Well, I wouldn't be upset about it either. I'm just not convinced they would go for a song that starts with a mellow verse and a mellow chorus (actually, two mellow verses with a chorus in the middle), but I wouldn't be "OMG why on earth did they open with Music").

But sometimes bold choices to open a show are nice; I think for example that, even though it has a slow part in the middle and a slow coda, they could have opened the Dark Passion Play tour shows with The Pit and the Pendulum (Helloween opened their 2006-7 shows with the equally long The King for a 1000 Years for example), but I can see them not wanting to have Annette present herself to the live public with such a big, long and complex song.

Or maybe they really just felt that the best way to start those concerts was telling Tarja to phuck off  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TheSilentHam on May 14, 2020, 08:09:27 AM
Or maybe they really just felt that the best way to start those concerts was telling Tarja to phuck off  ;D
:lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TheSilentHam on May 14, 2020, 08:12:12 AM
If they are playing a festival (if festivals are ever a thing again) I wouldn't expect Music to open.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 14, 2020, 04:26:12 PM
They could do some kind of cool video montage about tech/social media and then go into Noise.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 14, 2020, 05:33:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it started with Ad Astra leading into Noise, perhaps with screens up during Ad Astra.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2020, 01:10:22 AM
I see Ad Astra as more of a closing song, the "credits" playing while the band takes a bow and waves goodbye.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 18, 2020, 07:30:28 AM
Calling all Nightwish fans... please feel free to join us on the Polls and Survivors as we embark on a 5-6 month adventure of pitting Nightwish songs against each other and finding out which song we as a forum deem the greatest.

This will feature every song from the studio albums as well as most of the unreleased songs. We will have a 25 Week regular season followed by a 64 song Championship Tournament.

Nightwish the League Home Thread - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55111.0
Week 1-A - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55235.0




 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2020, 07:38:57 AM
Excellent  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2020, 07:39:01 AM
It's gonna end with Ghost Love Score as the top song
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 18, 2020, 07:41:25 AM
It's gonna end with Ghost Love Score as the top song

Hope not.


Tutenkamen all the way!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2020, 08:43:59 AM
Well, I hope you're not a betting man, Adami  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 18, 2020, 08:55:32 AM
Trying to think of a NW song I like better than GLS and coming up blank. It's been my favorite forever, never dethroned.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 18, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
It’s a great song. But if we’re only talking studio versions, I’d maybe put Fantasmic, Dead Boys Poem, and Beauty of the Beast up there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
I like Poet and the Pendulum more than Ghost Love Score, personally, even with the cringey self-fellating nature of the lyrics. But I think my #1 favorite NW tune these days would have to be... hm. Maybe The Crow, The Owl, The Dove, strangely. It's just a really, really good song with one of their best hooks imo. Not a popular pick though, I imagine. Or maybe The Islander. One of those two.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 18, 2020, 09:09:08 AM
Remember when we thought End of an Era would be the last time we would hear it performed well?  :lol Thanks, Floor!

Going through their discography trying to find a match, it has all the ingredients of all the (short) songs I love the most. The Poet and the Pendulum is often put against it, but the lyrics drag it down so much for me it's not even in consideration.
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Post by: Adami on May 18, 2020, 09:10:32 AM
Poet has a great first 2/3 but the last 1/3 and the spoken word parts drag it down. 
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Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2020, 09:14:34 AM
Aw, I love the last 1/3rd. I think it's a much more consistent and interesting song than Ghost Love Score, but yeah, the spoken word stuff about Tuomas is embarrassing ("he was found naked and dead, with 1000 pages of erased text!" oh my god, how dramatic, someone throw a pie!  :lol )
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2020, 09:25:36 AM
I'll have to find a way to distinguish the two Beauty + Beast songs. So far I'm sure I like both songs better than the song it was facing in the first round so I voted "blindly", but sooner or later I'll have to remember which one is on the debut, and which one closes Century Child  ;D
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Post by: bosk1 on May 19, 2020, 05:23:29 PM
Losers

Century Child was the first one for me. Managed to see them on their first ever headlining US show. So fun.

I first heard Nightwish in '05.  Planet Hell came on this internet radio station I was listening to.  Changed my musical life.  Seriously... one of those Top 5 moments of that influenced my musical tastes and direction.  I'm not overly fond of the Tarja-era pure operatic vocal albums.  There's some gems in there, but for me, the awesomeness of Nightwish starts with Century Child.

I discovered them during the Once era, but Century Child was my first album from them, and I loved it.  Those 2 albums are my 1a and 1b, and they often swap places at the top, depending on my mood.  I remember hearing those two albums and thinking that this band was right up my alley.  I hadn't been this excited about a band since discovering DT in '92.  When I went back and checked out some of the back catalog, I wasn't thrilled with it.  Some songs were pretty good.  A lot more didn't do much for me.  But I didn't care.  Century Child and Once were right in my wheelhouse, and add in a smattering of the more popular songs from the earlier albums, and I was good. 

DPP was...so so.  As an album, I felt similar to it as I did to the back catalog:  It was very hit-and-miss, with some gems and some that I would take a pass on.  Part of it is that, as an album, it just wasn't written for Annet's voice.  Part of it is the lyrical content being embarrassingly bad at times.  But overall, not a bad album.

Imaginaerum was MUCH better!  That one sits at #3 and isn't far behind CC and Once.

Hated Endless Forms, despite Floor being my favorite of the 3 singers by far. 

I just got around to getting the new one and gave it a listen today.  (I don't have the physical album, but got a free download with purchase)  First impression:  This album is OUTSTANDING!  No idea where it will rank yet, but it is absolutely a worthy addition to the catalog.  The "traditional" songs are, overall, A+.  (I had heard most if not all before today, but this is the first time I listened on a good system)  I need to let it all soak in.  But I really, really like it so far.  The disk 2 songs are a bit different, and not really my typical thing.  But they are a good listen.  And since they are sequenced in order after the disk 1 songs, but still part of the same track list, I will probably listen to them a lot more frequently than I otherwise might.  Can't wait to listen to this more.
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 20, 2020, 01:31:31 AM
I agree with you Bosk, the new album is fantastic!    I still need to get Once, and Century Child. I haven't heard either to this day, unless there's some of the tracks on Decades.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2020, 04:44:25 AM
I agree with you Bosk, the new album is fantastic!    I still need to get Once, and Century Child. I haven't heard either to this day, unless there's some of the tracks on Decades.

Yea a few are on Decades, I also became a fan via Century Child and will totally agree that CC and Once are top notch NW albums.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 20, 2020, 05:01:20 AM
They always had good from great albums so I'd have a hard time to come up with a ranking.

Imaginaerum is my favorite, period. By default it's my favorite Annette album over DPP.
I love the new album, far better than the previous album with Floor.
As far as Tarja goes, I'll always have a soft spot for the cheerful and youthful attitude of Wishmaster, love its enthusiastic naivetè. Probably Once is the better one, but it has a bit of Powerslave syndrome, starts and ends greatly but loses momentum in the middle.
The debut is ok but a bit raw, I will never say that Oceanborn is a bad album 'cause obviously it isn't, but I personally never really connected to it that much.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
A few more listens under my belt, and I can say this is a really special album.  I might very well end up putting this one up there with CC and Once in my top 3.  At this early stage, I can say I don't really care for Harvest.  I applaud Troy for stepping up and taking the lead on a song.  And there are parts of it that are pretty cool.  But overall, as an entire piece, I don't care for it.  But the rest of disk 1 is really, REALLY good.  And disk 2, although being the type of thing I generally don't care for, is really well done and a nice listen as well.  When Tuomas is at his most self-indulgent, it often pushes the music to a point where I can no longer enjoy it.  This is definitely him in self-indulgent mode, but not in a way that I find distracting.  This is a pretty nice, enjoyable piece of music. 
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Post by: Evermind on May 21, 2020, 11:29:45 AM
Harvest is shaping up to be my favourite song from the album actually, but otherwise I agree, the whole thing is really special.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2020, 12:19:18 PM
Harvest is fantastic, disc 1 as a whole is fantastic and while disc 2 isnt my thing, I actually think it's better than what I expected. Very strong album that sadly seems we won't be seeing live anytime soon.  I expect the September US dates to be cancelled.  I just got my first concert for September cancelled today actually (it was one that was postponed from May).
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 21, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
Harvest is shaping up to be my favourite song from the album actually, but otherwise I agree, the whole thing is really special.
Awesome song!  The way they go into the final chorus and the beat picks up is one of my favorite moments on the record.  It sounds like the whole band is singing, great harmonies.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 21, 2020, 10:03:26 PM
I'm with Bosky.  I almost always skip Harvest.  The first part of the song just does very little for me.  As far as the album on the whole I've actually moved away from it for a bit, which is uncommon for me.  I usually dissect a new album for a good  amount of time.  I'm not sure if it's a case of the material not measuring up, or just needing a break to let it breath a bit.  Hopefully I will get back into it soon. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 22, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
Since it's been talked about in the survivor section (anybody who follows actively Nightwish and haven't joined yet.... please come, the more, the better!), do you think in the next tour we'll get some more rotation and, possibly, they will finally remember they have Beauty of the Beast (closing epic off Century Child) in their arsenal, a song that Floor hasn't sung yet?

Double question, do you think they'll hold on to Ghost Love Score or they'll let it go? Nightwish have surely their live staples, but they're not so fixated on them like maybe Iron Maiden. Wishmaster was retired, and at least once, in the Imaginaerum tour, they tried to work around playing Nemo once more by rearranging it acoustically. Wish I had an Angel seemed to have conquered the "final song" spot but it has been removed from there.

All of this to say that maybe, they would feel confident on not having to rely on Ghost Love Score forever and ever, since it's become kinda a live Floor classic. They brought back the song, it became the source of dozens reaction videos, they've kept it as last song on the Decades tour, maybe now they'll let it go.

The Phantom of the Opera however has become a new "Floor hit" because of her partecipation in that TV show, and they will definitively play it in Amsterdam with her idol and the guy that she had a duet on the show to begin with. I assume it's kinda safe to guess they'll bring it back for the whole tour rather than just play it once, it feels a bit of a waste and maybe unfair to anyone else who won't be at the Amsterdam show (whenever that will actually happen).

Finally, the last album doesn't have a huge, longass song, so that makes more room in the setlist - well, not that it matters much, on the tour where they played The Greatest Show on Earth they played The Poet and the Pendulum anyway (another epic that got the Floor treatment!)

So, fun speculation moment.... do you think any of the two could happen? Ghost Love Score being shelved AND / OR Beauty of the Beast finally being played live with Floor?
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 22, 2020, 12:25:43 PM
I'd be ok with GLS being shelved, they've got some nice gems that could replace it for sure.
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 12:48:29 PM
I'd be happy with Ghost Love Score taking a break. I love it, but we have it on multiple DVDs and every tour for going on 7 years? It's okay to retire.

And yes, I'd love Beauty of the Beast or any other older big song.....like Fantasmic!
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 22, 2020, 02:31:05 PM
Nope, it's a staple resurrected against all odds, keep it. If they don't have space in the setlist they can always play a few minutes longer  :rollin
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 22, 2020, 03:08:43 PM
I agree that they should put GLS on the shelf and give it a rest for a while. But realistically, it’s their most popular song and it gets the best crowd reaction, so they’ll probably never stop playing it.
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Post by: 425 on May 22, 2020, 03:39:05 PM
I think GLS is going to stay and I don't mind it staying. It can be annoying when a band has, like, a half-dozen staples that show up at every show (like the aforementioned Iron Maiden), but one or two songs doesn't hurt. And GLS is one of their best songs, so that's even better than if it was, like, a prototypical radio single.

I do think I Want My Tears Back could use a break, and I think it's more likely to get one.
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 03:43:52 PM
My issue with GLS is just how good it is. It's SO good that when it's played SO often, people become a bit (or maybe just me) desensitized to it. I want it to be like a treat because of how epic and goosebump inducing it is. I want to be like "OMG OMG" when it's played, not "yup, that time of the night I guess"
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 22, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
I do think I Want My Tears Back could use a break, and I think it's more likely to get one.

While of course he could always change his mind, I remember a quote from Tuomas about the song saying "I guess that's one of those that we'll have to play on every show from now on, and that's completely fine by me". And by me as well. The song is a glorious riot of a party live, it gets the people jumping and dancing, allows Troy to play the uillean pipes, and everyone seem to have fun with it, especially Floor whose enjoyment of the song seem to go beyond her frontwoman duties and she looks like she's really into getting everyone dancing in the solo (she barely can keep her mouth shut at the beginning of it  :lol ).

About Ghost Love Score, I'm ambivalent. If they'll play, I won't complain. If they don't, I won't miss it, especially if they keep on with their efforts to make every show and every setlist, from tour to tour, different from the previous one.

Funny thing, having successfully avoided spoilers from the Decades tour, I was sure that once again The Greatest Show on Earth would have been the final song. When the lights didn't come back, I couldn't imagine what else they could play. All I had was Wishmaster in mind, I didn't even consider Ghost Love Score as an option.... but what a (pleasant) surprise to hear it start!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2020, 04:21:21 PM
For the hardcore fans, I know a lot of us would rather see something different and that includes me.  I'd be cool if they shelved GLS.  However, that seems unlikely and I'm not going to complain.  NW does a pretty good job of rotating songs overall so we usually get different sets through a tour and they've brought back other epics with Floor.  I'd love to see even more diversity because I'm a hardcore fan, but the reality is I can't complain with their sets overall. 
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 04:28:29 PM
For the hardcore fans, I know a lot of us would rather see something different and that includes me.  I'd be cool if they shelved GLS.  However, that seems unlikely and I'm not going to complain.  NW does a pretty good job of rotating songs overall so we usually get different sets through a tour and they've brought back other epics with Floor.  I'd love to see even more diversity because I'm a hardcore fan, but the reality is I can't complain with their sets overall.

I gotcha. I think the reason I gave for wanting it shelved is a bit different than just wanting variety, but I get you on the whole.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2020, 04:56:38 PM
For the hardcore fans, I know a lot of us would rather see something different and that includes me.  I'd be cool if they shelved GLS.  However, that seems unlikely and I'm not going to complain.  NW does a pretty good job of rotating songs overall so we usually get different sets through a tour and they've brought back other epics with Floor.  I'd love to see even more diversity because I'm a hardcore fan, but the reality is I can't complain with their sets overall.

I gotcha. I think the reason I gave for wanting it shelved is a bit different than just wanting variety, but I get you on the whole.

I wasn't really responding to your specific comment but even so, it's not that different.  Yours makes sense too.  When Iron Maiden play Iron Maiden, it's like,"yup, here we go and the nights about to end" vs. "wow I really like this song!" but that goes to set diversity too.  If they opened with GLS that would kind of change my internal feelings associated with the live song but even then, at this point I'd rather the opened with a song I have yet to see live.  Granted, I've only seen them 3 times but got lots of variety those 3 times (other than GLS and I Want My Tears Back, another song I'd be ok getting shelved even though I really like it).
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 23, 2020, 04:53:45 AM
When Iron Maiden play Iron Maiden, it's like,"yup, here we go and the nights about to end" vs. "wow I really like this song!" but that goes to set diversity too. 

I'm a step behind; when after quite some songs I hear Nicko slow counting the next one, I'm "oh shit, now I have to sit through Fear of the Dark once again, and then there's only Iron Maiden and the encores" (In the very rare occasion in which they add something else between Fear of the Dark and Iron Maiden, see The Number of the Beast last tour for example, it's just a plesant surprise).

And hey, Iron Maiden the song, at this point, it's not even a "song" anymore. It's an experience. You get to shout "Iron Maiden" for some times and prepare yourself to see Eddie. Kinda like Enter Sandman with Metallica, we all have heard the song a billion times, when they play it live I brace myself for the fireworks when the song kicks in.

Anyway, my speculation about the future Nightwish setlist was just that, fun speculation. I really have no complaints at all about their setlists and the way they organize their shows and stage sets and while they do have their staples, I appreciate them making every tour as least predictable as possible.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 23, 2020, 01:57:49 PM
I discovered these guys and gals about a year ago, and they have quickly become one of my favorite bands of all-time. Their combination of bone-crushing riffs, catchy female vocals, and epic orchestrations is something that I never knew I needed until now. I've intentionally waited to explore all their albums, because I like having them out there for when I really need to hear something new. I've heard everything from the present back to Once, and can't wait to go back even further.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 23, 2020, 02:58:25 PM
Go back and tell us how it went! And then watch End of an Era and From Wishes to Eternity.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2020, 08:00:38 AM
As far a GLS I think it's one of those songs that has to be played, it's TOO big not to be. Kind of in the same category as a "Stairway to Heaven" or "Freebird".  Like Marc and others have said, hardcore fans are OK with it being shelved for a tour or two but for those fans who have never got to experience it live it's a must! Personally for me I will probably NEVER tire of seeing it performed live!
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2020, 08:22:31 AM
Yeah, where do you guys even live that you saw them do GLS multiple times since 2012?  :lol they never came closer than like 7 hours to me, so I haven't seen them yet. Actually, they did have a festival slot about four hours away from me in 2008 but going just to see them do an hour long set wasn't an option for me back then.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 27, 2020, 08:25:17 AM
Man, I haven't even seen GLS live myself and I'd be fine if they shelved it forever. They could squeeze in 2 other songs in that time, maybe 3.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2020, 08:38:37 AM
Yeah, where do you guys even live that you saw them do GLS multiple times since 2012?  :lol

I live 45 minutes away from New York City.  They've played GLS the last three times I've seen them (twice in NYC, once in Connecticut) but those are all more recent tours.  I saw them once with Annette before that and of course they didn't play it. 
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Post by: Evermind on May 27, 2020, 08:41:12 AM
I saw them live once in 2015 and they played GLS. I wouldn't mind seeing it again at all.

Speaking of which, I was supposed to see them live today. :-\
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2020, 08:57:02 AM
I saw them with Tarja in the Once tour and they played it.

I saw the following two tours with Annette, off the top of my head NW didn't play Italy after Floor had became the "interim" singer.

Then for the Endless Forms tour they came in Italy thrice:
- On my very birthday, but on a sunday in a town 200 KM far away, and the morning after I had to be at work and there were no trains after the show to consider that option;
- On a festival in Rome, half a nation away, in the middle of the week;
- On another random northern town, while I was finishing my summer vacation.

Geez their tour manager hates me.

So I saw Floor only once with Nightwish, for the Decades tour (and they played Ghost Love Score as final song). The only other time I had seen her live, was with After Forever in 2004 at Wacken.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2020, 09:16:46 AM
Yeah, where do you guys even live that you saw them do GLS multiple times since 2012?  :lol

I live 45 minutes away from New York City.  They've played GLS the last three times I've seen them (twice in NYC, once in Connecticut) but those are all more recent tours.  I saw them once with Annette before that and of course they didn't play it.
Did they never play it with Annette?  Nevermind... found some.  :P
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2020, 09:17:51 AM
They did. A few times, but they did.
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Post by: ariich on May 27, 2020, 09:21:35 AM
My issue with GLS is just how good it is. It's SO good that when it's played SO often, people become a bit (or maybe just me) desensitized to it. I want it to be like a treat because of how epic and goosebump inducing it is. I want to be like "OMG OMG" when it's played, not "yup, that time of the night I guess"
How often do you see them live? :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2020, 09:22:48 AM
They did. A few times, but they did.

oh wow, I just kind of assumed they never played it with her
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Post by: Adami on May 27, 2020, 09:23:28 AM
My issue with GLS is just how good it is. It's SO good that when it's played SO often, people become a bit (or maybe just me) desensitized to it. I want it to be like a treat because of how epic and goosebump inducing it is. I want to be like "OMG OMG" when it's played, not "yup, that time of the night I guess"
How often do you see them live? :lol

I'll be totally honest, it's more about the DVD's for me. I've seen them live maybe 5 times? Only see GSL once and loved it. But they've released quite a few DVDs recently, and they all have it.

Maybe I'd be happier if they just changed up DVD setlists haha.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2020, 09:43:30 AM
They did. A few times, but they did.

oh wow, I just kind of assumed they never played it with her
I just went and watched a couple.  I have to say, I'm not impressed.  I love what Annette did on the 2 albums she was on but the 2 live GLS's I just watched?  Ummm.... no.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
They did. A few times, but they did.

oh wow, I just kind of assumed they never played it with her
I just went and watched a couple.  I have to say, I'm not impressed.  I love what Annette did on the 2 albums she was on but the 2 live GLS's I just watched?  Ummm.... no.

I dont think Im going to even bother  :lol I cant imagine her singing that song and dont even want to fulfill that unimaginable thought  :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on May 27, 2020, 09:47:41 AM
I don't know why they would have ever considered playing it with her. Anette comes from a rock background and was not equipped to sing Tarja's material, or at the very least songs like GLS. It's as baffling a decision as Axl Rose deciding to rap on the UYI2 Live in Tokyo DVD. But it's not even her fault, I'd blame Tuomas for wanting to play it with someone who is ill-equipped for that style of music. On her own songs, she sounded great live imo.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2020, 09:53:47 AM
They did. A few times, but they did.

oh wow, I just kind of assumed they never played it with her
I just went and watched a couple.  I have to say, I'm not impressed.  I love what Annette did on the 2 albums she was on but the 2 live GLS's I just watched?  Ummm.... no.

I dont think Im going to even bother  :lol I cant imagine her singing that song and dont even want to fulfill that unimaginable thought  :lol
First glance I did find this show.  It was professionally recorded.  No GLS but some decent stuff.  Decent version of Song of Myself @37:50 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_toxZqbK_Kk
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Post by: Adami on May 27, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVzeimDvWk4

GLS with Anette. She does some decent stuff but it's really rough for most of it.

She does do her own tag at the end but it's a bit sad when we know what Floor does.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
I don't know why they would have ever considered playing it with her.

To show the naysayers that she was able to do what Tarja was doing, just like Steve Harris wanted to show that Blaze could sing the Maiden classics.

We know how well it ended in both cases.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2020, 10:03:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVzeimDvWk4

GLS with Anette. She does some decent stuff but it's really rough for most of it.

She does do her own tag at the end but it's a bit sad when we know what Floor does.
Yeah, her own thing is cool at the end of GLS, but so lacking comparatively to Floor.  Also in that concert link I just posted she does a decent version of Song of Myself (and of course that was written for her voice) but again it so pales in comparison to what Floor did at the 2013 Waken show.  Not trying to bash Annette at all, it's just like comparing apples to oranges.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 27, 2020, 10:04:43 AM
I don't know why they would have ever considered playing it with her.

To show the naysayers that she was able to do what Tarja was doing, just like Steve Harris wanted to show that Blaze could sing the Maiden classics.

We know how well it ended in both cases.

Again, what a dumb decision to make, especially considering they're the ones who hired her. Why on Earth...
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Post by: Adami on May 27, 2020, 10:06:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVzeimDvWk4

GLS with Anette. She does some decent stuff but it's really rough for most of it.

She does do her own tag at the end but it's a bit sad when we know what Floor does.
Yeah, her own thing is cool at the end of GLS, but so lacking comparatively to Floor.  Also in that concert link I just posted she does a decent version of Song of Myself (and of course that was written for her voice) but again it so pales in comparison to what Floor did at the 2013 Waken show.  Not trying to bash Annette at all, it's just like comparing apples to oranges.

I saw Annette live a few times and a ton of bootlegs/professional recorded disks. She had great moments live but was just not a strong live singer. Fantastic in the studio, but live really struggled. Not even comparing her to Floor. Even before Floor joined I remember thinking she was really weak life. Like I said, some great moments, but overall just struggled. It's also just not the right music for her, I'm sure she'd sound a lot better doing her own thing.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2020, 10:14:54 AM
I don't know why they would have ever considered playing it with her.

To show the naysayers that she was able to do what Tarja was doing, just like Steve Harris wanted to show that Blaze could sing the Maiden classics.

We know how well it ended in both cases.

Again, what a dumb decision to make, especially considering they're the ones who hired her. Why on Earth...
I'm pretty sure the only concern they had was how different the new singer would be from Tarja. They never established a good personal relationship with Anette, so it wasn't about liking her as a person over everyone else; it wasn't about her being experienced with touring and into it (which is really the first thing they should have been looking at), and it clearly wasn't about how much of their catalog she was capable of singing.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2020, 10:34:31 AM
I wasn't a fan back then during that transition to Annette so I can't speak about that with any confidence that I know what I'm talking about, but what Mora wrote certainly feels legit. 
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2020, 10:50:05 AM
They said at the time that they received a lot of people just straight up singing exactly like Tarja and they didn't wanna go with another classical singer because in their mind Tarja was the best classical singer and everyone else would have been a step down. I guess the ones that didn't do that sounded like a breath of fresh air, though probably in that pile (I can't remember how many they received but I know it was a ridiculous amount) they could have found someone who was both different and able to sing the old songs consistently. She sent them a lot of demos and a live DVD with her previous band and I guess there was something there.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
I could have misunderstood or misremembered a bit, but I also recall some comments that I interpreted as:  "She didn't immediately stand out as THE choice.  But she was just so persistent in following up with us over and over and over again that it made us take a closer look, and we ultimately decided it could work."
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 27, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
They said at the time that they received a lot of people just straight up singing exactly like Tarja and they didn't wanna go with another classical singer because in their mind Tarja was the best classical singer and everyone else would have been a step down. I guess the ones that didn't do that sounded like a breath of fresh air, though probably in that pile (I can't remember how many they received but I know it was a ridiculous amount) they could have found someone who was both different and able to sing the old songs consistently. She sent them a lot of demos and a live DVD with her previous band and I guess there was something there.
I thought I read/heard that at some point  Floor was actually on a short list but was unavailable?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2020, 11:09:46 AM
That sounds familiar.  And I think she subsequently said somewhere that she was going through a difficult time in her life in relation to music at that time that contributed to the "unavailability."  My understanding (which may be incorrect) is that it was basically a combination of extreme burnout and extreme anxiety, to that point that she was not sure she would continue performing, or something like that.  Does that sound familiar to anyone?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on May 27, 2020, 11:16:13 AM
I don't know why they would have ever considered playing it with her.

To show the naysayers that she was able to do what Tarja was doing, just like Steve Harris wanted to show that Blaze could sing the Maiden classics.

We know how well it ended in both cases.

Again, what a dumb decision to make, especially considering they're the ones who hired her. Why on Earth...
I'm pretty sure the only concern they had was how different the new singer would be from Tarja. They never established a good personal relationship with Anette, so it wasn't about liking her as a person over everyone else; it wasn't about her being experienced with touring and into it (which is really the first thing they should have been looking at), and it clearly wasn't about how much of their catalog she was capable of singing.

I mean, yeah, but still. I wouldn't pick operatic vocals for a non operatic singer no matter what.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2020, 11:53:26 AM
That sounds familiar.  And I think she subsequently said somewhere that she was going through a difficult time in her life in relation to music at that time that contributed to the "unavailability."  My understanding (which may be incorrect) is that it was basically a combination of extreme burnout and extreme anxiety, to that point that she was not sure she would continue performing, or something like that.  Does that sound familiar to anyone?

She had a burnout, but not by the time Tarja was fired, it was later, I believe a year or so before she was asked to replace Annette in Nightwish.

Also, Tarja was fired at the end of 2005, After Forever (her band) lasted until 2009. She probably wouldn't have jumped ship anyway even if asked.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2020, 12:56:49 PM
Yeah, Floor wouldn't have been available at the time because they were really trying to get After Forever off the ground. And what Bosk is saying about Anette is true, at least I remember it like that with the addition that she was one of the first they contacted to go into extended talks with them, though we obviously don't know how many other singers were similarly thorough and persistent after that.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 27, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Anette was great live singing her own songs, also very good with the crowds, much better than Tarja ever was.
Of course she couldn't pull off the older songs, but I never expected her to be able too either.
Also I know of at least one show that was pro shot and audio mixed from Anette's time with the band, but was canned and may never
be officially released after the fall out of her departure.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 28, 2020, 03:44:04 AM
Honestly, there is not a single live clip or recording of Nightwish with Anette I have seen that I truly enjoyed. I love her vocals on both albums and have seen non-Nightwish live clips where she was good/great, but I was unfortunately never sold on her Nightwish performances.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on May 28, 2020, 03:47:22 AM
Honestly, there is not a single live clip or recording of Nightwish with Anette I have seen that I truly enjoyed. I love her vocals on both albums and have seen non-Nightwish live clips where she was good/great, but I was unfortunately never sold on her Nightwish performances.

Last of the Wilds live was pretty good!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2020, 07:47:20 AM
Honestly, there is not a single live clip or recording of Nightwish with Anette I have seen that I truly enjoyed. I love her vocals on both albums and have seen non-Nightwish live clips where she was good/great, but I was unfortunately never sold on her Nightwish performances.

Last of the Wilds live was pretty good!

 :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
 :lol :lol :lol

Like ErHao, I found a lot to enjoy about her voice and I was more than willing to give her a shot because I never listened to Nightwish for the singing, but every time I would play a live set I'd be like... let's see if she's not *too bad* on this. The material simply wasn't aligned with her.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 28, 2020, 08:11:59 AM
Not going to argue about her live capabilities, but as far as studio goes, Anette is my favorite. Actually, those are the only two Nightwish albums I own.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 30, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
EDIT:

Found the 2008 Sydney concert on youtube, channel Moshcam. Since I am not an Anette fan, I totally missed this concert over the years. Having listened some parts, I can still say I do not really enjoy her live with Nightwish.

But then youtube recommended me this, and she does sound nice here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-iXAqjrsw0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-iXAqjrsw0) (her singing Meadows of Heaven at home using a shitty camera). She can definitely sing.



Well, talking about Anette live, I stumbled upon this:
https://qello.com/concert/Live-at-The-Enmore-Theatre-7557#track-7557-6 (https://qello.com/concert/Live-at-The-Enmore-Theatre-7557#track-7557-6)
Saw Live At the Enmore Theater, saw a pic of Floor and thought, hell yes, a concert I do not know! But when clicking it, it turns out to be an Anette concert in Australia from 2008. You can watch Dark Chest of Wonders and Amaranth for free.

Are you guys familiar with this concert?

(My PS4 tried to sell me this service once, and today in the streaming thread I mentioned it to another DTF member as he was searching for something like Netflix for concerts. So I decided to browse it's library out of curiosity and saw this).



Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2020, 09:57:53 AM
Can undoubtedly can SING.  But to me, the important thing was that there is a pretty big difference between being able to sing and being able to perform.  There is a big difference, performance-wise, from muscling your way through one song for 4 minutes and performing an entire set onstage.  Even for those who have never performed, it should not come as a surprise that they are not the same thing.  Much easier for a decent singer to sound really good for a single song than to sound really good performing a full set, especially when you also add in the other stuff a front[person] has to do in a live setting.

None of that is meant to be a shot at her or to diminish her as a singer.  She is talented.  But NW does not play to her skill set.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on June 04, 2020, 09:22:46 AM
Any speculation on which new songs might be played live?

So far we have:
- Floor Jansen mentioning twice on Instagram live feeds that she'd love to see the people dancing during the middle section of Tribal, so that's a given;
- Always Floor said something along the lines of "Shoemaker wasn't really meant to be played live but if so many of you like it so much we might consider it", and that's a maybe;
- Noise is the single, I would assume it's kinda a given they will play, same for How's the Heart which has already been played acoustically anyway;
- Music seems to be the only other candidate, along with Noise, to open the shows, will they use it as an opener? will they play it somewhere else in the set? will they play it at all?
- Harvest seems the classic "Floor, you can take a breath now" easy singalong song, I'd assume it's in the set as well.

We have 3 songs quite certain, and 3 songs as a possibility so far. Where does that leave Pan, Procession and Endlessness?

Personally I'd love to hear them all, but staying realistic, I'd say that Music, Noise, How's the Heart, Tribal and Harvest constitute already a good bunch of new songs. 5 out of 9 it's not bad at all. But I'd love to hear any of the other ones!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on June 04, 2020, 09:57:07 AM
I would love to hear everything off of disc one from the new album.   
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2020, 08:58:23 AM
This is really the best thing they have released in quite a long time.  Definitely up there with Century Child, Once, and Imaginaerum.  I am already often finding myself tuning out and wanting to move on a little bit into disk 2.  But disk 1 is outstanding.  Harvest is really the only thing that comes close to being a low point, and even that is pretty awesome once it kicks into gear and Troy stops singing lead.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2020, 02:44:43 PM
Not sure whether others have seen Floor's stay-at-home "Storytime" videos, but they are a kinda fun look at her life these last few months.  Here is the first one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlc9JEnBjs

In the second one, she mentions that she has the seeds of what could eventually become a solo album.  Hmm....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2020, 02:54:22 PM
Yea. She mentioned moving away from metal and doing softer stuff. So that should be cool.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2020, 02:56:50 PM
Yea. She mentioned moving away from metal and doing softer stuff. So that should be cool.

Huh, I thought she was talking about her solo stuff, not the next Nightwish.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 14, 2020, 02:58:34 PM
As long as that doesn't mean she leaves Nightwish, but of course if she wants to do something different then she should because no one should be pigeon holed. 

I actually was listening to Northward the other day for the first time in awhile, and would love to see her work with Jorn again, but that's still rock music so while not as heavy, from her comments, I think she wants something totally different. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2020, 03:03:22 PM
As long as that doesn't mean she leaves Nightwish, but of course if she wants to do something different then she should because no one should be pigeon holed. 

I actually was listening to Northward the other day for the first time in awhile, and would love to see her work with Jorn again, but that's still rock music so while not as heavy, from her comments, I think she wants something totally different.

Yea, she meant outside of nightwish. She has no plans of leaving.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on July 14, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
She was also planning to record her solo show in Amsterdam but corona got in the way unfortunately. I assume she will pick that up at a later point. And I wouldn't be surprised if that is the band she picked for a potential softer solo album (same band as in the TV show Beste Zangers), she really seemed to enjoy working with them.

Anyways, I really hope we will get a dvd of her solo show, because I genuinely think it was one of the best concerts I have seen in years. Super varied, from pop to opera to musical to rock and metal and her stage banter was good as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on August 10, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
They finally just announced the NA "tour" this September is postponed to next October, minus Toronto which is cancelled.  I was kind of hoping, for the sake of the rest of the country, they just nixed those few dates and would announce a full NA.  But I'm glad the NYC show is going to happen regardless, I got my nice seats so I think that show will be a banger if and when it happens because it will be rare to see Nightwish in NA before 2022 at this point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 10, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Yeah, knew the cancellation was coming but still very sad.  Was really looking forward to the Palladium show.  Let's hope 13 month delay will be enough.  If not...we're fucked anyways.  :'(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 16, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
I tweeted this yesterday as it was the 8 year anniversary of my first time seeing Nightwish, only sharing it because this clip of Escapist might be the last time they will have ever played that rare song.  Also, my friend totally called it earlier in the night saying they would play it and I was just like "yeah, keep dreaming"  :lol

https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1306006543226339329 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1306006543226339329)

This was before my time of actually trying to get good concert footage and full songs, I wish I captured more of that evening as it was such a cool and now unique experience being that Annette was out of the band not long after this.  Funny timing too as yesterday was supposed to be my 5th time seeing them... ugh FU Covid and 2020. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on September 17, 2020, 01:03:40 AM
Meanwhile the band, or better, the crew of the band, will release an EP of said crew members covering 5 Nightwish songs. They will receive 100% of the profits and the band and the label won't see a dime. It's a cool little idea, and it's nice that the band themselves rather than putting out a random "please buy this shirt so that we get some money" thing, they endorse the effort of their crew and give them some publicity.

Also, to make it "officially official", also the european tour has been postponed, it was a long time coming and I assume they waited until the very last moment before facing the reality. No Nightwish in early December for me then.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 18, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
Meanwhile the band, or better, the crew of the band, will release an EP of said crew members covering 5 Nightwish songs. They will receive 100% of the profits and the band and the label won't see a dime. It's a cool little idea, and it's nice that the band themselves rather than putting out a random "please buy this shirt so that we get some money" thing, they endorse the effort of their crew and give them some publicity.

Also, to make it "officially official", also the european tour has been postponed, it was a long time coming and I assume they waited until the very last moment before facing the reality. No Nightwish in early December for me then.
Yeah, they waited till the very last to cancel the Los Angeles gigs also :( 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on September 18, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Dutch concerts already got a new date, may next year. I really wonder how the world looks around that time. Concerts being allowed is one thing (actually, we already have concerts again right now, though with low capacity and additional rules), but two sold out shows of 17000 people is a large event, hopefully we will be good around that time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2020, 04:01:09 PM
I dont have hope for May in the US but maybe over there itll be better.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on September 18, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
I dont have hope for May in the US but maybe over there itll be better.

My gut feeling is positive for a lot of things, be it in an adapted form (we are already seeing a lot of concepts, such as dinner concerts outdoors or in large halls), but on the overall list large concerts will likely literally be the last thing to return to normal.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2020, 05:12:02 PM
Yea definitely especially indoors. I think outside festivals might be back next summer but maybe not arena or large in door venue concerts by then. At least here in the US
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 18, 2020, 06:09:38 PM
Tours of the USA for small/medium bands are almost going to be a thing of the past now, with the huge cost of visa's for touring musicians.
Add to the cost of touring and playing to smallish audiences, it's not going to be economically feasible for many bands.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 28, 2020, 08:00:46 AM
Tours of the USA for small/medium bands are almost going to be a thing of the past now, with the huge cost of visa's for touring musicians.
Add to the cost of touring and playing to smallish audiences, it's not going to be economically feasible for many bands.

Sadly, I think you’re absolutely right.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on October 02, 2020, 02:48:19 AM
Tours of the USA for small/medium bands are almost going to be a thing of the past now, with the huge cost of visa's for touring musicians.
Add to the cost of touring and playing to smallish audiences, it's not going to be economically feasible for many bands.

Tours of the USA for small/medium bands are almost going to be a thing of the past now, with the huge cost of visa's for touring musicians.
Add to the cost of touring and playing to smallish audiences, it's not going to be economically feasible for many bands.

Sadly, I think you’re absolutely right.

You don't think this will eventually return to "normal"?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 02, 2020, 12:06:56 PM
^^ A lot of people think that it won't go back to as normal as it was back in say February or prior to that.  That people will have to prepare for a new normal and try to adapt to that.  This, I will say.  I don't think the big concerts promoters (Live Nation, AEG, etc.) is going to generate the big revenue like they were doing last year again in the next few years and that's going to hurt a lot of oversea bands.

If a band like Nightwish were to play in Hollywood Palladium (around 3,500-4,000 people) in LA.  If the venue is going to be shrinking the concert capacity to maintain social distancing, then it's going to go down to 1,000 people or less for the time being which will really hurt a band like Nightwish's bottom line given how expensive it is to do tours here from their vantage.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on October 02, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
I dunno, once there's a combination of vaccine(s) and treatment(s) that bring the Covid death rate down to a comparable level to other infectious diseases, I don't see how any government would be able to justify continuing to demand/enforce social distancing. We never socially distanced or locked down our economies for things like flu and pneumonia and millions of people die of those each year worldwide.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2020, 05:33:12 PM
I have hopes things will go back to normal but probably not until summer 2021 at the earliest it seems but even then, I think a lasting impact will be higher ticket prices to make up for losses and potentially smaller capacities going forward. We will see. Having said that, I just arrived at a drive in concert...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 03, 2020, 02:50:10 AM
I have hopes things will go back to normal but probably not until summer 2021 at the earliest it seems but even then, I think a lasting impact will be higher ticket prices to make up for losses and potentially smaller capacities going forward. We will see. Having said that, I just arrived at a drive in concert...

Or, bands suck it up and charge less, since the promoter can offer less anyway because of a distanced audience. Which again might be acceptable for bands when they tour in their nation, but not when they have to cross the oceans...

There are bands who are playing concerts here and there, I wonder how they handle this - if they accept to be paid less, or the promoters still pay them in full and then hope for the best.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2020, 09:43:29 AM
I don't know of this world where people lower prices on anything
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 03, 2020, 01:30:36 PM
International bands are hardly going to 'suck it up' and play for less in a country that offers them little incentive to tour.
Nightwish are huge in Europe and other parts of the world, why would they play countries that offer small venues, low crowds and not much profit?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 03, 2020, 06:01:02 PM
I don't know of this world where people lower prices on anything

Happens all the time. When I first started worked at a cruise line, the travel and leisure industry was booming. Then the 2007-2009 recession hit, and we had to lower our prices drastically to get people on board our ships. (Think about the sales they'll have once they get the approval to sail again due to Covid-19). The hotels I worked with lowered their prices >25%.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 03, 2020, 06:40:13 PM
^^ Yeah, but this is Live Nation and Co. we are talking about.  I imagine those guys are going to lean more towards the mentality of "we lost a year where billions of dollars of revenue could have been made, so we need to jack the ticket prices up when we are able to run concerts again to recoup that loss.  If people are going to be pissed about that, well f*** em.  They are not what we are looking for in buyers."
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 03, 2020, 08:53:36 PM
^^ Yeah, but this is Live Nation and Co. we are talking about.  I imagine those guys are going to lean more towards the mentality of "we lost a year where billions of dollars of revenue could have been made, so we need to jack the ticket prices up when we are able to run concerts again to recoup that loss.  If people are going to be pissed about that, well f*** em.  They are not what we are looking for in buyers."

And the market will respond accordingly. I was just commenting on the notion that prices never get lower on anything.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 04, 2020, 02:52:00 AM
Of course you're all right, but I was seeing this as a more hypothetical "better than nothing" scenario.

Leaving aside the costs for any european band to go to the USA, let's imagine this:

Band: "Damn, we're all locked down and we can't tour at all"
Promoters: "Damn, we're all locked downa nd we can't book any concerts"
(Lockdown ends)
Band: "We'd like to try and play some concerts again damn"
Promoters: "Yeah, so I might have a venue for you, but it's in the open and we have to have seated people and a limited number, so I have 1/3 of the audience and sorry guys, I will pay you 1/3 less"

Would it be extremely naive to assume that under specific circumstances a band would accept this, maybe for a local gig that does not require travelling expenses, just to have some money going which I assume would still be more than what people would pay for shirts online after a "Hey, we can't tour, if you want, we refurbished our stock" message on social media?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 04, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
Of course you're all right, but I was seeing this as a more hypothetical "better than nothing" scenario.

Leaving aside the costs for any european band to go to the USA, let's imagine this:

Band: "Damn, we're all locked down and we can't tour at all"
Promoters: "Damn, we're all locked downa nd we can't book any concerts"
(Lockdown ends)
Band: "We'd like to try and play some concerts again damn"
Promoters: "Yeah, so I might have a venue for you, but it's in the open and we have to have seated people and a limited number, so I have 1/3 of the audience and sorry guys, I will pay you 1/3 less"

Would it be extremely naive to assume that under specific circumstances a band would accept this, maybe for a local gig that does not require travelling expenses, just to have some money going which I assume would still be more than what people would pay for shirts online after a "Hey, we can't tour, if you want, we refurbished our stock" message on social media?

Well, who pays for them to go across to the states. Bands need to be financially able to afford the weeks of travel into another country, first of all.

Also, production. Would that Venue be able to hold the production the band would like to bring? Most would gladly tour without production, but it diminishes the art they feel is best represented by the production.

Then you get into the actual payments. Is it worth all the hassle of getting a Visa, you have to pay for that too.

There's just too many things involved in Booking Over Seas bands that no one realizes.


I forgot to add....What if a member of the Bands team gets sick?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on October 07, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
Derailing the current discussion a bit, I was voting in the Nightwish the League thing and I realized I forgot the lyrics to Elan. Used to remember them around 2015-2016 when EFMB came out as I loved the song. So naturally I went and listened to the song a few more times, and knowing how it's not quite as popular on DTF as it, in my opinion, should be, I just wanted to praise it a little bit here.

I feel like the message is just so upbeat and positive in a not overbearing way like some other pro-nature and pro-love songs Tuomas penned since then, and the music just suits the message (or vice versa), and Floor vocals here are exquisite with both delicate verses and boisterous choruses. It's a simple song but I can safely say now that five years has passed, it's my favourite from EFMB, and one of my favourite Nightwish songs (definitely Top 10, possibly even higher) overall. Something about it just clicks with me.

I hesitated to post it in the main thread here, but I mean, there is no Nightwish Controversial Opinion thread.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2020, 12:13:07 PM
I wouldn't rate it quite that high, but it is a fantastic song.  I think it grew on me quite a bit over the years too.  Always liked it, but didn't love it.  I've watched it live on their blu-rays many times now and it's such a good song.  I really like the lyrics too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 07, 2020, 12:20:33 PM
I don't really like Amaranth and, to me, Elan is a more lighter Amaranth.

To me, It just wasn't a great song to showcase a brand new album with Floor.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2020, 12:25:30 PM
To me, It just wasn't a great song to showcase a brand new album with Floor.

I think that's the reason why it didn't click so quickly for me and only warmed up over the years.  I totally agree, just like Harvest was not the best single for the latest album, awesome songs, but really kind of not what we were expecting when Floor is in the band and you are debuting your first music with her. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 07, 2020, 12:34:50 PM
Out of the bunch, it was the perfect single I'd say. Catchy and easy to remember. And yes, it's one of the best songs on the album. I love to hear it when I'm in my places of the heart (the mountains), hearing it as it celebrates the simple and little beauties of life when I'm in the very center of my favorite mountain little town, it's a great and wholesome experience.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
Out of the bunch, it was the perfect single I'd say. Catchy and easy to remember. And yes, it's one of the best songs on the album. I love to hear it when I'm in my places of the heart (the mountains), hearing it as it celebrates the simple and little beauties of life when I'm in the very center of my favorite mountain little town, it's a great and wholesome experience.

Definitely a good "being in nature" song.  I actually listened to Human II Nature last week while in the wilderness on vacation and their music goes really well with the right setting.  Only reason I didn't listen to EFMB is because I set a rule for myself of one full album from one band each for my listening.  Personally, I love their more naturey style they've been trending towards and a reason why I love the song Harvest so much.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 07, 2020, 12:49:03 PM
I'm still completely on board with Human || Nature. I've listened THE SHIT out of that album and I'm still not tired of it. It might have just become an habit, but since I work from home I have 8 hours to listen to music and that album is always at the beginning of my routine, I always start the day with that. It's been like that since it came out in April, and only on several occasions (say, a rainy day when I go for something more moody and dark) I didn't listen to the album for 5 days per week. I'm still not tired of it nor I've reached the "yeah, ok, this album is good, now let's listen to something else" phase. It's just very pleasant to listen to, especially with my own edit of the second disc which brought the whole suite down to barely under 15 minutes, with just my favorite parts of it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on October 07, 2020, 12:57:19 PM
The first CD is excellent. The second I don't come back to, although I probably should do what you've done and just pick out my favourite parts and edit them together.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2020, 01:09:55 PM
Even at 15 minutes, I just don't see myself listening to it enough to make the effort worth it personally, but disc 1 is still fantastic but I don't listen nearly as much as you do.  I actually felt I over listened to it by a month after release and have mostly shelved it for the last few months.  I think it just came out during a time when I really needed some new music from one of my favorite bands and I just consumed the shit out of it to my own detriment.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 10, 2020, 09:52:00 AM
I still haven't bought that album, and Nightwish is, or has been till now, an automatic buy.

And I think Elan is great!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 10, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
I still haven't bought that album, and Nightwish is, or has been till now, an automatic buy.

And I think Elan is great!

Same here. Even though it's good, I just haven't bought it.

I will say, Troy adds a folky element to the Nightwish sound. It's really strong in this album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2020, 09:55:59 AM
Quote
We dug up Ville Lipiäinen's archives and came across with some never
seen live footage from the past tours.

Something to reminisce while waiting for the Human. :II: Nature. tour to
finally start. More to come soon!
-- Tuomas Holopainen

Yours Is An Empty Hope is recorded at Teatro Metropólitan, Mexico City - October 15, 2015!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuwY1d-KIss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuwY1d-KIss)

Pretty cool, but I'm really interested in the "more to come" part. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 20, 2020, 03:47:41 PM
Piggybacking from the 'bands that made a great album late in their career' thread, this is how I listen to Once:

1.   "Dark Chest of Wonders"       4:28
2.   "Wish I Had an Angel"       4:03
3.   "Nemo"       4:36
4.   "Planet Hell"       4:39
9.   "Ghost Love Score"       10:00

Get rid of literally everything but these songs and it's great.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 20, 2020, 03:59:05 PM
The Siren is good. Higher Than Hope is good. Creek Mary's Blood is... well, I definitely used to think it's good, but nowadays I'm kinda starting to see why people don't like it :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
The Siren is good. Higher Than Hope is good. Creek Mary's Blood is... well, I definitely used to think it's good, but nowadays I'm kinda starting to see why people don't like it :lol

I enjoy all three of those songs.  Once was my favorite NW album before EFMB.  Dead Gardens and Romanticide, while fine songs, are definitely the "filler" as some might call it on the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on October 20, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
I discovered NW with Once. Bought it on the strength of the cover alone (hadn't heard them prior). LOVED it from the get go. But I also love Dark Passion Play. Those are the two best albums, IMO
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 20, 2020, 05:32:44 PM
Higher Than Hope is *really* good; I might even rank it second on the album. I'd take Romanticide and The Siren over Planet Hell and Wish I Had an Angel. Kuolema is also good, even though it's a step down from Forever Yours, in my opinion. I have a soft spot for Dead Gardens, although I'd agree it's one of the weaker entries on the album.

Creek Mary's Blood has good parts and not-so-good parts, and definitely overstays its welcome.

This reminds me that Once is a pretty difficult album to rank and evaluate for me. It doesn't have many tracks that stand out as Nightwish favorites to me. Really just Ghost Love Score, Higher Than Hope and Dark Chest of Wonders. It's also in between my favorite and third favorite Nightwish albums, both of which I prefer to it. But whenever I listen to it, I enjoy pretty much everything, and often find myself thinking, "Why don't I listen to this more or think about this song more? This is really good." I don't know, I guess I have a strange attitude to it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on October 20, 2020, 09:03:28 PM
I don't remember how, but I got in to NW after Once was released, so it was the first album of theirs I bought. I thought it was all kinds of awesome, and ended up buying the rest of their material. It is an album I do not listen to often, but do not know why, as I end up asking the same question as 425.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 21, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
All the Once singles have been so overplayed in my life, I feel zero need to listen to the full album nowadays. I used to prefer the simultaneously more symphonic and more pop approach to it when I first got into NW, but pretty soon I developed a taste for their earlier stuff and that's what I mostly listen to nowadays when I want to play a studio album.

NW is really more of a live release band for me. I love their albums more than my post suggests but they always have filler and that's just the way it is. That was one of the reasons why I wanted Anette out of the band eventually, while she was there I was busy wearing out my copies of From Wishes to Eternity and End of an Era and not adding anything new  :angel:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 21, 2020, 11:26:35 AM
All the Once singles have been so overplayed in my life, I feel zero need to listen to the full album nowadays. I used to prefer the simultaneously more symphonic and more pop approach to it when I first got into NW, but pretty soon I developed a taste for their earlier stuff and that's what I mostly listen to nowadays when I want to play a studio album.

NW is really more of a live release band for me. I love their albums more than my post suggests but they always have filler and that's just the way it is. That was one of the reasons why I wanted Anette out of the band eventually, while she was there I was busy wearing out my copies of From Wishes to Eternity and End of an Era and not adding anything new  :angel:

Nightwish is a live band for me as well. I prefer the Live versions of the Once songs. And was surprised that Floor kept Anette's more pop vocals in the chorus for Wish I Had An Angel, instead of going for Tarja's Operatic approach. The Live versions of The Siren, and Planet Hell are better, vocally, Tarja does an amazing high pitch note at the end of her Operatic "ah's" in the middle section of The Siren, Planet Hell has that added energy that can only be produced by playing the song live. Creek Mary's Blood also benefits live due to having John Two-Hawks there to play his parts, which adds more of an impact to the meaning of the song. Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan also has better live vocals, even though it's basically Tarja singing to a backing track. And we all know the story behind Ghost Love Score's amazing live vocal moment, and not a Tarja moment.



Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 21, 2020, 01:14:55 PM
Once is my most played NW album, but it always sparks bittersweet memories for me.
I was at Harwell Arena for Tarja's last show, knowing before hand it would be her last (how I know is a long story).
The album has a great flow to it and never gets old.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
Once is my most played NW album, but it always sparks bittersweet memories for me.
I was at Harwell Arena for Tarja's last show, knowing before hand it would be her last (how I know is a long story).
The album has a great flow to it and never gets old.

Well that's certainly interesting that you knew and Tarja didn't, but that must have been an epic concert in person. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 21, 2020, 01:29:48 PM
Once is my most played NW album, but it always sparks bittersweet memories for me.
I was at Harwell Arena for Tarja's last show, knowing before hand it would be her last (how I know is a long story).
The album has a great flow to it and never gets old.

Well that's certainly interesting that you knew and Tarja didn't, but that must have been an epic concert in person.
AFAIK, Tarja knew. (in that she was so told two days beforehand or something. I may be wrong.)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on October 21, 2020, 01:30:40 PM
I don’t think she knew. They informed her (and the world) after the show. They did not handle it great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on October 21, 2020, 01:32:42 PM
No they did not. But it makes me laugh at how dramatic it all played out. Especially Tuomas on the DVD  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 21, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
Whaaaat? now I wanna know all the juicy details! I mean, it was the most dramatic (as in drama queen  :biggrin:) breakup ever in a band, and I still remember that Tarja and her husband (Mainly his husband) agreed to answer all the questions from the fans - why in all those revelations it never came up the subject of "Tarja was informed that they wanted to move on but we didn't expect such a public and sudden announcement" of something like that? I still remember Tarja's statement about how she was all shocked and surprised and all that, why not call bullshit on Tuomas?

Anyway, I've always found weird how they gave her a letter and told her to "open it tomorrow", Nightwish's entire plan was for Tarja to wait 24 hours on a letter before the announcement was made? did she read it in the morning and called Tuomas "Hey bro, seriously, WTF???" and Tuomas mailed the webmaster "Ok, she knows, post it online"? I wanna lknow  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 21, 2020, 04:24:42 PM
Gazin was Tuomas‘ secretary, and the one who typed the letter!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on October 23, 2020, 03:33:58 AM
There is a long version and a short version, but I will have to ask the parties involved if it's okay to tell.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on October 23, 2020, 07:47:24 AM
 :corn
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 14, 2020, 08:14:10 AM
Floor covering...Let It Go

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=18s6ZdvAfQk

It's really good. She makes it look effortless
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2020, 08:59:31 AM
She makes EVERYTHING look effortless  :heart

Nightwish recently released an official live video for Ever Dream and she's just perfect on that one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 14, 2020, 10:39:25 AM
Floor covering...Let It Go

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=18s6ZdvAfQk

It's really good. She makes it look effortless

She makes a lot of things work and this song is no exception.  A song like Let it Go, I knew she was going to sing great in it without any doubt.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 15, 2020, 07:32:41 AM
She makes EVERYTHING look effortless  :heart

Nightwish recently released an official live video for Ever Dream and she's just perfect on that one.

Yup, and Yup.

:drool:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 19, 2020, 07:40:21 AM
OK... this has been bugging the crap outta me for years.  I've watched it so many times and it just seems, off?  In the Waken concert during Storytime they do 2 cut scenes mid song to the audience.  In the audience there's a dude standing there pretty much not/barely moving.  Also, he stands out because of the outfit he's wearing and showing no emotion.  Is this some kinda editing easter egg?  I mean, with the lighting the guy just doesn't seem "Natural" with those surrounding him.   On a 3rd cut scene spaced out similarly to the 2 and looking like the same angle, the dude is gone.   

time stamps

3:11
3:19
3:25


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkYwOJZONU
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on November 19, 2020, 07:46:09 AM
Maybe he had to run to the restroom. Shouldn't have eaten those taquitos before the show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2020, 07:50:42 AM
The third shot, the camera has already panned to the right (look at the background) so that's why he isn't there, it's not the same shot of the crowd anymore.  I don't see anything odd about it other than the camera caught the least interested person in that part of the crowd  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 19, 2020, 08:29:40 AM
The third shot, the camera has already panned to the right (look at the background) so that's why he isn't there, it's not the same shot of the crowd anymore.  I don't see anything odd about it other than the camera caught the least interested person in that part of the crowd  :lol
OK..  I notice the 3rd angle now.  I dunno...  his color just looks different to everyone else in the scene.  Oh well, just thought it might have been some kinda easter egg or gag that the editor threw in :)

Maybe he had to run to the restroom. Shouldn't have eaten those taquitos before the show.
:lol  Actually... that would be my excuse... :-[
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2020, 08:37:35 AM
The third shot, the camera has already panned to the right (look at the background) so that's why he isn't there, it's not the same shot of the crowd anymore.  I don't see anything odd about it other than the camera caught the least interested person in that part of the crowd  :lol
OK..  I notice the 3rd angle now.  I dunno...  his color just looks different to everyone else in the scene.  Oh well, just thought it might have been some kinda easter egg or gag that the editor threw in :)

Maybe he had to run to the restroom. Shouldn't have eaten those taquitos before the show.
:lol  Actually... that would be my excuse... :-[

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a designed cut to show the one dude not into it.  I've seen shots like that before in other concert videos, but I don't think it was some editing magic to make him dissapear.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 19, 2020, 09:06:27 AM
.  I've seen shots like that before in other concert videos, but I don't think it was some editing magic to make him dissapear.
No, my thought was that they actually PUT the guy in the first 2 shots!  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2020, 09:14:30 AM
 :lol I really don't think that happened, it's just the lighting plus his attire
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Walrus on November 19, 2020, 09:37:36 AM
I just finished listening to Human Nature again. Honestly, this album has grown on me big time. Way better than Endless Forms imo because it isn't so self derivative, and in hindsight I think Troy's song actually adds to the experience rather than takes away from it like I thought months ago. Floor sounds great, she doesn't go as hard as I had hoped she would though, and Marko's song near the end there is really good for his voice. Dig it. Slow burn of an album; it wouldn't rank for me much early on but now I see it maybe making a year end list depending on how big I make it...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 19, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
Harvest grew on me even more with further listens. I'd say it might be my favourite on the album actually.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
Harvest grew on me even more with further listens. I'd say it might be my favourite on the album actually.

Yea, I really love this song.  I wouldn't say my favorite, but it's perfect in the context of the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on November 19, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
I just finished listening to Human Nature again. Honestly, this album has grown on me big time. Way better than Endless Forms imo because it isn't so self derivative, and in hindsight I think Troy's song actually adds to the experience rather than takes away from it like I thought months ago. Floor sounds great, she doesn't go as hard as I had hoped she would though, and Marko's song near the end there is really good for his voice. Dig it. Slow burn of an album; it wouldn't rank for me much early on but now I see it maybe making a year end list depending on how big I make it...
It's cemented itself as my favourite Nightwish album (or at least, the first disc anyway).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 19, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
My favorite album is still Imaginarium, but this one is fantastic. Heard it basically daily throughout the entire spring and summer. Fantastic album and miles ahead of EFMB.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2020, 10:31:37 AM
I don't think this cracks my top three NW albums, but it's still fantastic.  I think it's my 2nd favorite release of 2020.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on November 19, 2020, 10:57:42 AM
I agree with cram. My top three of Century Child, Imaginaerum and Dark Passion Play would be hard to touch. But this one has been a slow burn that I've come to like a whole lot. Still need to clean up a number of 2020 releases, but right now AOTY would be between this and Haken.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
I agree with cram. My top three of Century Child, Imaginaerum and Dark Passion Play would be hard to touch. But this one has been a slow burn that I've come to like a whole lot. Still need to clean up a number of 2020 releases, but right now AOTY would be between this and Haken.

Yea same, Haken got the #1 from me as of now.  My issue is disc 2 of NW, not that it's bad per say, it's just not something I care to listen to so its hard for me to put that over Haken which is pretty close to a flawless album for my tastes (I'm not a fan of the last track, but it's short and easy to not hold the album back for me).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 19, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
I agree with cram. My top three of Century Child, Imaginaerum and Dark Passion Play would be hard to touch. But this one has been a slow burn that I've come to like a whole lot. Still need to clean up a number of 2020 releases, but right now AOTY would be between this and Haken.

Yea same, Haken got the #1 from me as of now.  My issue is disc 2 of NW, not that it's bad per say, it's just not something I care to listen to so its hard for me to put that over Haken which is pretty close to a flawless album for my tastes (I'm not a fan of the last track, but it's short and easy to not hold the album back for me).
Agree 100%... Virus takes the win for 2020 (no pun intended)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 28, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
After doing a cover of it in a rather obscure b-side with After Forever, Floor makes a new version of Heart's Alone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fu-yP6q6Gk


 :hefdaddy

Edit for personal gratification: I commented calling the song an "early birthday present" because mine is tomorrow, and she replied wishing me an early happy birthday  :o :metal :heart :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2020, 12:35:55 PM
Awesome... I saw a 20-second teaser on FB this morning, so nice to see that it's already fully released!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 16, 2020, 10:16:25 AM
I wonder what this means...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpX9MB5XMAAGH3O?format=jpg&name=large)

Quote
Something unforeseen to lighten up the dark times...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 16, 2020, 11:08:49 AM
A live streamed show? an EP of acoustic versions or unreleased stuff?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 16, 2020, 11:12:44 AM
My initial thought is a live stream show... I mean they have a new album of songs that they haven't been able to perform
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 16, 2020, 11:17:27 AM
A live show seems more likely. I would be really interested in seeing how Nightwish will do one.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on December 16, 2020, 02:06:15 PM
For anyone interested and haven't seen it, here's a chat from last week between Tarja and Floor......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5KfPE07X3g&t=1136s
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 16, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
For anyone interested and haven't seen it, here's a chat from last week between Tarja and Floor......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5KfPE07X3g&t=1136s

This is a pretty cool chat.  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 17, 2020, 02:10:48 AM
The surprise is a virtual live show (https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5e235b1105541e20386fd864/5fd7ae3963b51b59e8cabc4a_virtual_master_v2-p-800.jpeg)! they will play 2 different sets on the 12th and 13th of March, next year.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 17, 2020, 07:59:39 AM
The surprise is a virtual live show (https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5e235b1105541e20386fd864/5fd7ae3963b51b59e8cabc4a_virtual_master_v2-p-800.jpeg)! they will play 2 different sets on the 12th and 13th of March, next year.

I don't really get the Europe only part.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 17, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
The surprise is a virtual live show (https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5e235b1105541e20386fd864/5fd7ae3963b51b59e8cabc4a_virtual_master_v2-p-800.jpeg)! they will play 2 different sets on the 12th and 13th of March, next year.

I don't really get the Europe only part.

This is confusing... i think Europe only is for the merch bundle, but the timing looks like one show is for evening time in Europe, and one is evening time for NA?  But I think you can buy both shows no matter where you are.  I'm in, but that's a bit far away.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 17, 2020, 08:24:33 AM
TWO EVENING TICKETS
MARCH 12 & 13

TWO EVENING BUNDLE
(SHIPPING TO EUROPE ONLY)

Recording can be watched for 48 hours after the show

Fri, March 12th, 2021, Europe
8pm CET / 7pm GMT
Duration approx. 90min

Sat, March 13th, 2021, North and South America
8pm ET (UTC-5) / 5pm PT (UTC -8) / 10pm BRT (UTC-3) / 7pm CST (UTC -6)
Duration approx. 90min

Recording of the shows can be watched for 48 hours after the show

--------

Looks like Cramx3 is right. The 12th March show happens when it's evening in Europe, and the 13th March one happens when it's evening in the Americas.

It's the bundle with t-shirts that will be available only for european shipment.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 17, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
Ahh...Okay. I was thinking the same thing. What was confusing was the way it was worded. But I see it's what I thought.

Even better now. But, damn...March seems far off...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 30, 2020, 05:10:26 AM
What is Marco doing on his spare time...well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk8vzRgSyy8&ab_channel=mtvSuomi

 :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on December 30, 2020, 09:11:20 AM
Just how good he can sing, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
https://youtu.be/7IPEyOyl7f0
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on December 30, 2020, 10:20:01 AM
That guy is one of the most fearless performers I've ever seen. 🤘
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zoom E on December 30, 2020, 10:26:32 AM
What is Marco doing on his spare time...well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk8vzRgSyy8&ab_channel=mtvSuomi

 :lol

That’s so bizarre  :rollin

I love Marco’s voice. His Pyre of the Black Heart solo album is one of my favourite releases of this year.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zoom E on December 30, 2020, 10:30:55 AM
Just how good he can sing, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
https://youtu.be/7IPEyOyl7f0

A much better selection than Backstreet Boys.

Damn, there is some strange reality TV these days.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 30, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
What is Marco doing on his spare time...well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk8vzRgSyy8&ab_channel=mtvSuomi

 :lol

I heard about this...I bet that long this is there just to hold his beard  :lol

But, damn. This is great just to hear him sing these songs.  :lol


Edit: I think this one is the winner though. Never would I imagine hearing Marco say "Homies"  :lol :lol
https://youtu.be/a9uKj2tA5zc
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 30, 2020, 04:27:50 PM
These are great, but I feel his voice is VERY recognizable if you've ever heard him before which, for me, makes the mask thing odd.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 30, 2020, 06:15:34 PM
These are great, but I feel his voice is VERY recognizable if you've ever heard him before which, for me, makes the mask thing odd.

The American version had Chris Daughtry participate in that thing, last year, and if you follow American Idol or Alt Rock in the 2000s (like I do), it's going to be hard not to recognize that voice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 30, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
These are great, but I feel his voice is VERY recognizable if you've ever heard him before which, for me, makes the mask thing odd.

The American version had Chris Daughtry participate in that thing, last year, and if you follow American Idol or Alt Rock in the 2000s (like I do), it's going to be hard not to recognize that voice.


My bro got Tom Bergeron, because he recognized his singing voice. He just couldn't remember his name. He was all...It sounds like that guy on AFV.  :lol :lol

But, usually the audience are just your casual TV viewers. They watch the show for the reveals. If you are a fan of the person, it could be easier to guess. But in the end, the identity is not known until the final unmasking. So, I am sure there were people out there who were saying..."That is obviously, Marco"  :lol

I like watching the show, but haven't really been watching TV much at all, and totally forgot about this past season of the American Masked Singer.


Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on December 31, 2020, 05:28:21 AM
It is fun to see him cover such a song  :lol But honestly I think there are many songs his voice is better suited for.

And I do unironically like Everybody as a song, probably because I have been indoctrinated with their music as a kid.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 31, 2020, 08:38:28 AM
It is fun to see him cover such a song  :lol But honestly I think there are many songs his voice is better suited for.

And I do unironically like Everybody as a song, probably because I have been indoctrinated with their music as a kid.

Cause it is a good song. Gets you up and dancing and that's the point of their style of music and why I consider Pop Music at that time, the disco of the 90's.

Of course, there are better songs. But when is Marco going to get the opportunity to sing these obscure, for him, songs. He even did Gangstas Paradise and a Cumbia song.  :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on December 31, 2020, 02:22:33 PM
Kiss was pretty good:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGweGiOxHvY 

Found his unmasking, too.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDG_PoaUrk8

It's perhaps not quite as fun, since it is mostly dialog, and I don't speak Finnish.  But still fun to see the panel's guesses, and their reaction at the reveal.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 31, 2020, 06:58:20 PM
Kiss was pretty good:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGweGiOxHvY 

Found his unmasking, too.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDG_PoaUrk8

It's perhaps not quite as fun, since it is mostly dialog, and I don't speak Finnish.  But still fun to see the panel's guesses, and their reaction at the reveal.

I watched it with the captions. Although it didn't have it when the Panel were giving their guesses. Which I find pretty odd.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on December 31, 2020, 09:22:00 PM
Just ran across this college Orchestra/Choir doing GLS....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6lscMVnhKM
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dedalus on January 12, 2021, 01:13:18 AM
Marko is leaving Nightwish

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erg_ICaXcAAsUFx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Source: twitter
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 12, 2021, 01:14:19 AM
Was just about to post this.

I'm about to go to bed and saw this...

Well, glad I saw them when I did.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2021, 01:57:44 AM
Well, fuck. This is very bad news and the end of an era.

Of course Nightwish will survive, but Marko has been there for longer than Annette and Floor combined and his male vocals were a trademark of the band.

Of course any skilled musician can perform his bass, but what about his vocals? will they drop all the songs with duets? will Troy try to scream "dreeeam of meeeeee"?

Sounds like a mid life crisis to me.... and where all that conspiracy stuff and "don't blame Tuomas" things come from?  :huh:

So, Alexi Lahilo dies, Jon Schaffer becomes a domestic terrorist, and Marko leaves Nightwish. 2021 doesn't like metal so far.....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2021, 02:06:43 AM
Oof.

I'm glad I caught them on EFMB tour and even got to meet him during Meet and Greet. He signed my EFMB artbook and also the copy of Ayreon's Theory of Everything.

Man, this is rough. I was supposed to see them last year, the concert is scheduled for September now. Of course I'll still go and see them (if the concert will even happen at this point), but it's definitely not going to be the same. Marko was such an integral part of the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on January 12, 2021, 02:23:21 AM
After reading Marko's book last year this is not that surprising at all really.
Good on him for himself first, his family and his metal health before his career.

Not only his bass playing and voice, Marko was a big part of the song arranging and assisting Toumas with the demo's and developing his ideas.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Mladen on January 12, 2021, 02:33:43 AM
So, Alexi Lahilo dies, Jon Schaffer becomes a domestic terrorist, and Marko leaves Nightwish. 2021 doesn't like metal so far.....
This hit me for some reason.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 12, 2021, 02:37:30 AM
Damn, the end of an all time great lineup. I love that I was able to see them live in 2015.

I hope he manages to improve his life and that the band will find a suitable replacement. He is not someone that seems easy to replace, at all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2021, 07:25:15 AM
Too early to think about the future, but I think it would be a cool idea if Nightwish would take a cue from Kamelot regarding live singers.

Let's face it, Marco is "irreplaceable", of course no one truly is and Tarja wasn't either, but they lost in a single blow a composer, a bassist and a singer. They would have to hire both a bass player and a singer, or Troy would have to step up even more vocally, with songs with duets either being dropped from the set, or left to Floor alone (depends on the song - Dead to the World is kinda weird with just a woman, let alone The Phantom of the Opera whose success in the dutch show could mean they would have considered it for the future setlists, but for example I Want My Tears Back can survive sang only by Floor).

The reason I mentioned Kamelot is that they have of course a male singer, and the occasional female guest spot on the album. And for each tour, they always rotate between female guest singers, with each tour basically having a different one (save the occasional return here and there).

For me Nightwish could go down this route - leave vacant the "male singer" position in the band, and for each tour bring a guest singer that could just be on stage whenever needed, just like Kamelot do with the femal singer being backstage unless she has a part.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2021, 07:51:55 AM
Wow, devastating news to a big NW fan.

However, a lot of that statement makes no sense to me.  Other than the part saying he struggles with Depression. The middle east and working 9-5...???  I don't know, that statement makes me think he's gone a bit insane.  Which is truly sad.  He's got such a distinct voice, I don't know how you replace those vocals, but I guess NW might just not play those songs then, sadly. 

Damn, what a blow to the band.

Conspiracy is the word of the day???  I'm so confused by this statement.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2021, 07:57:45 AM
Maybe it was a rushed translation, either by someone working for NW or by himself who isn't, after all, a native speaker.

I believe his points were:

- The music industry basically would like musicians to work non stop exactly like at a 9-5
- The merchandise side of things probably is somehow tied up with labor in those regions
- He leaves the band for his own well being and out of his own decision, so if anyone will claim that it's because there's been a falling out with Tuomas, you'll know it's someone trying to stir shit with a "conspiracy".

After the very public falling out with Tarja and the mess with Annette, he wants to make it clear that no, he's not leaving because of Tuomas, and anyone who will say so is just a shit stirrer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2021, 08:03:43 AM
I feel bad - that band is just a juggernaut where the musicians have to hang on for dear life.  Jukka dealt with health problems, Marco is depressed.  Hopefully the rest of them are able to stay grounded and Marco is able to feel better about himself and the world.

They said that they'd move on from a lot of the older material after the Decades tour, though they're losing Marco as a great backing vocalist.  So that cuts down on some of the older songs where he has more lead vocal work, and it leaves a handful of more recent songs that would feature him (I Want My Tears Back) and a lot of backing vocal work. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 12, 2021, 08:38:13 AM
Too early to think about the future, but I think it would be a cool idea if Nightwish would take a cue from Kamelot regarding live singers.

Let's face it, Marco is "irreplaceable", of course no one truly is and Tarja wasn't either, but they lost in a single blow a composer, a bassist and a singer. They would have to hire both a bass player and a singer, or Troy would have to step up even more vocally, with songs with duets either being dropped from the set, or left to Floor alone (depends on the song - Dead to the World is kinda weird with just a woman, let alone The Phantom of the Opera whose success in the dutch show could mean they would have considered it for the future setlists, but for example I Want My Tears Back can survive sang only by Floor).

The reason I mentioned Kamelot is that they have of course a male singer, and the occasional female guest spot on the album. And for each tour, they always rotate between female guest singers, with each tour basically having a different one (save the occasional return here and there).

For me Nightwish could go down this route - leave vacant the "male singer" position in the band, and for each tour bring a guest singer that could just be on stage whenever needed, just like Kamelot do with the femal singer being backstage unless she has a part.

This would be the ideal option in my opinion. Hire a good bass player and work with session male singers. While Floor obviously is fantastic, having those moments of additional vocals add a lot for me. Same with Kamelot, their shows would not be the same without the female parts every now and then. As for songwriting, who knows what will happen. Based on non-Nightwish material, I do think both Floor and Troy can bring some of that to the table.

Wow, devastating news to a big NW fan.

However, a lot of that statement makes no sense to me.  Other than the part saying he struggles with Depression. The middle east and working 9-5...???  I don't know, that statement makes me think he's gone a bit insane.  Which is truly sad.  He's got such a distinct voice, I don't know how you replace those vocals, but I guess NW might just not play those songs then, sadly. 

Damn, what a blow to the band.

Conspiracy is the word of the day???  I'm so confused by this statement.

Yeah... it for sure is a bit of a mess of a statement.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2021, 08:41:04 AM
I feel bad - that band is just a juggernaut where the musicians have to hang on for dear life.  Jukka dealt with health problems, Marco is depressed.  Hopefully the rest of them are able to stay grounded and Marco is able to feel better about himself and the world.

Even though he says not to blame Toumas, and I'm not directly here, I do wonder if something internal to the band leads the members to go down a dark path.  Makes me wonder if it has to do with alcohol as well which is a depressant.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 12, 2021, 08:51:29 AM
I feel bad - that band is just a juggernaut where the musicians have to hang on for dear life.  Jukka dealt with health problems, Marco is depressed.  Hopefully the rest of them are able to stay grounded and Marco is able to feel better about himself and the world.

Even though he says not to blame Toumas, and I'm not directly here, I do wonder if something internal to the band leads the members to go down a dark path.  Makes me wonder if it has to do with alcohol as well which is a depressant.

Unfortunately, mental illness really is quite common in general, perhaps even moreso for musicians. The list of musicians I listen to that have had or have depression or mental breakdowns is a long one. A really long one actually.

For example, Floor had a one and a half year burnout prior to joining Nightwish, which she openly talked about in the media. And one of the reasons her first band (After Forever) collapsed is a burn out of that band's main driving force.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2021, 08:52:25 AM
I feel bad - that band is just a juggernaut where the musicians have to hang on for dear life.  Jukka dealt with health problems, Marco is depressed.  Hopefully the rest of them are able to stay grounded and Marco is able to feel better about himself and the world.

Even though he says not to blame Toumas, and I'm not directly here, I do wonder if something internal to the band leads the members to go down a dark path.  Makes me wonder if it has to do with alcohol as well which is a depressant.

I don't think it's Tuomas' fault at all.  I've always felt that it's just a result of the band being SO big.  It's a freight train that doesn't normally stop - new album, world tour, new album, world tour.  Each cycle chews up 2-3 years of their lives.  So he's had 20 years of that, with only one major hiatus when the band took a year off, and even then, he fits in a lot of side project and guest work/tours as well. 

They are big drinkers, so that could contribute to it as well, but it seems like his disillusionment with the industry is the biggest factor.  it's probably hard for a lot of musicians to feel like they have to put in daily work and see little in return due to streaming revenues being what they are. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2021, 08:54:49 AM
That's probably what he meant with saying he is 55 soon and he has "done his time" - basically, he's "too old for this shit". He did what you described for 20 years - album, tour, album, tour, side projects, and the income decreases and the pressure always rises and the music industry is relentless. He had enough.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
I'm not blaming Toumous, just thinking aloud of what maybe came of all this.  This is after pretty much having a year off too from the pandemic. So it's hard to think that this is cause of current touring stress when they aren't even touring nor are they (to my knowledge) working on new music other than maybe prepping for the live stream shows.  A LOT of the world is experiencing depression from being locked up and social distancing as well, just this alone could be taking a toll on him too as I know it's taking a toll on myself and many others that I know here in the states.

Also, let's not Forget that NW was pressured to drop their touring agent in the US because that promoter was a douche, which makes me wonder if the result of that means they have to work with LiveNation who apparently sold a small portion of the company to Saudi Arabia.  I'm just still trying to understand the Middle East part of all this.

I really have no idea if any of this matters or not, like I said, I'm just thinking (typing) aloud and am not saying any of this as facts.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 12, 2021, 09:12:27 AM
Man, after reading that statement again. This is not a good thing for the Music Industry.

Marco, is actually revealing a lot of stuff that happens within the Music Business that we as fans are not privy to know and see. These are the things I have been talking about within the Music Industry, that I feel, Fans do not know anything about and really should know this stuff.

His first paragraph talks about how he Is Burned out and just tired of all the Bullshit within the Music Industry. The Streaming Giants, like Spotify, are demanding Musicians, and Record Companies, to deliver a product, just to save their business ass, while their Supplier's workers get shafted with the wages. Also, he even says this about the artists, and also about Promoters, squeezing all they can even from things the bands use to make money, like an interest of merch percentage, and then give that money to those people in the middle east, I think this has to do with European promoters, and those promoters in the middle east.

I am thinking also, being as big as they are in their hometown, we in the states, do not realize how big and famous some of these musicians actually are. Marco, was big enough to participate in the Masked Singer. That alone, shows a lot, in that Marco, and guarantee Nightwish, have those big name Promoters at their feet. In a way, I would relate them to Metallica here, or the Pop Stars we see on The Masked Singer.

I am sure, Marco has witnessed and heard things, that made it even more easier for him to just say..."Screw this, I am not tolerating this anymore. I'm getting older, 55, in fact, and I had my fun, but Screw You guys...I'm going home."

Again, most of us Fans, do not understand what really goes on behind the scenes of being A Touring and Active Musician in the Music Business. It's why some artists whom are really, really talented, don't make it big, because they know and understand exactly what goes on within that Machine.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 12, 2021, 09:50:25 AM
Making a good living from music is really tough and it's not like it's been easier the last year obviously and with that comes depression. I guess it could be as simple as that.



Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on January 12, 2021, 10:38:48 AM


 I'm getting older, 55, in fact, and I had my fun, but Screw You guys...I'm going home."

  :lol

 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 10:44:01 AM
Well that's a big blow. As much as I didn't see it coming, I can't say I'm too surprised.

As much as I love Nightwish, I imagine that like most bands their size, they are more machine than man. The toll it must take to be locked in to such a tightly controlled life, and apparently to reap very little benefit from it can bring a person down. I get it. I'm guessing his year off didn't so much recharge his batteries as allowed him the freedom to realize what his life was actually like.

I'm grateful to have seen Nightwish's first headlining America show. I'm grateful to have seen them live with Tarja, Anette, and Floor. I hope they find a way to recover and maintain the great live atmosphere they've had in the last few years.

I will definitely miss his voice. I wonder if they will go the route people here have suggested, of finding a strictly bass player and then guests to do vocals or if they will try to find a singing bassist. If so, I've seen people online mention ICS Vortex as a possibility. Whatever they do, I'll be around. And if Marco does another solo album, I'll be there for that too.

I hope it really was on good terms, though it seems to be a decision that the band might not have known about for a long time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2021, 10:53:41 AM
He mentions things he agreed to do in 2021, does that mean he will still do the live stream shows?  If so, those will be extra special then.  They better play Endlessness if so.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on January 12, 2021, 10:54:55 AM
Well, fuck. This is very bad news and the end of an era.

Of course Nightwish will survive, but Marko has been there for longer than Annette and Floor combined and his male vocals were a trademark of the band.

Of course any skilled musician can perform his bass, but what about his vocals? will they drop all the songs with duets? will Troy try to scream "dreeeam of meeeeee"?

Sounds like a mid life crisis to me.... and where all that conspiracy stuff and "don't blame Tuomas" things come from?  :huh:

So, Alexi Lahilo dies, Jon Schaffer becomes a domestic terrorist, and Marko leaves Nightwish. 2021 doesn't like metal so far.....

I suggest you read his book, it's hardly a mid life crisis.
I think the most obvious candidate to replace Marko, who plays a heavy bass, is a great singer with a unique voice and songwriter is Simen Hestnæs aka ICS Vorex (Arcturus, Borknagar, Dimmu Borgir).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 12, 2021, 11:07:12 AM
Simen Hestnæs aka ICS Vorex
My first thought.  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 12, 2021, 11:30:08 AM
Vortex would be amazing!   :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on January 12, 2021, 11:56:28 AM
Just saw the letter.  What a sad day for NW fans.  I'm speechless and very sad....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 12, 2021, 12:25:45 PM
I only discovered Nightwish a couple of years ago (maybe not even that). They've quickly become one of my favorite bands. I'm bummed I won't get to see them with Marko, but I wish him the best and applaud him for doing what he wants to do.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on January 12, 2021, 02:02:12 PM
What a bummer. The only truly irreplaceable person in the band is Thomas so I'm sure Nightwish will continue as long as he wants it to. All good things must end at some point and I hope they chug out a few more albums of awesome material.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on January 12, 2021, 02:36:22 PM
Really sad news, but I completely respect his decision if he's not feeling it any more and is burned out by the machine of being in such a big band. He'll be hard to replace for sure. In terms of live performances, now that they have Floor with her incredibly powerful and versatile voice, I've no doubt she could take on many of his parts if they wanted to play older songs where his vocals were prominent.

A bit of an aside, but thile he's clearly not wrong about the music industry in general, as is always the case I find it frustrating when people start directing their ire at streaming services as though anything has changed in that regard. Pink Floyd were writing songs about this in the 70s (like Welcome to the Machine), it's nothing new.

On streaming specifically, Nightwish got 113 million streams on Spotify alone in 2019 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10162754391525068&id=14644790067) - I wouldn't be surprised if it was substantially higher in 2020 considering 1. people streaming from home more due to the pandemic and 2. Nightwish released a new album. But even at that 2019 level it equates to a payout of around $360,000, and again that is just from Spotify streaming. They also make money from other streaming services, album sales, merch sales, and obviously in the normal course of things live performances as well (though not in 2020). And of course, they will continue to make money from streaming services year after year even if they release no more music.

Again this isn't to dismiss his complaints about the music industry (and capitalism in general possibly), it just bugs me when there's an implication that streaming services are the problem and everything was fine before.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2021, 02:47:12 PM
The problem with digging too deep into what he says is that it really comes off (and likely due to translation) as just a mash up of different reasons that don't make too much sense without more details.  The only thing I can take 100% from that statement is that he was depressed and burnt out from the business.  Which of itself is as good as a reason as any to remove yourself from the situation.  I respect that too as you've got to do what's best for yourself and your health. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 02:52:01 PM
I think the most obvious choice is to have Tuomas take back over all male vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2021, 03:08:22 PM
I think the most obvious choice is to have Tuomas take back over all male vocals.

Out with The Islander, Once Upon a Troubadour back in the set!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x183wf_duiU
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 12, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
It really is a sad day for NW fans. Marco will be hard to replace indeed. I mean finding someone to play the bass parts is no problem, but he was an amazing vocalist and songwriter. That won’t be easy.

I’m happy that I got to see them 6 times with him and meet him in the meet and greet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 12, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
Really sad news, but I completely respect his decision if he's not feeling it any more and is burned out by the machine of being in such a big band. He'll be hard to replace for sure. In terms of live performances, now that they have Floor with her incredibly powerful and versatile voice, I've no doubt she could take on many of his parts if they wanted to play older songs where his vocals were prominent.

A bit of an aside, but thile he's clearly not wrong about the music industry in general, as is always the case I find it frustrating when people start directing their ire at streaming services as though anything has changed in that regard. Pink Floyd were writing songs about this in the 70s (like Welcome to the Machine), it's nothing new.

On streaming specifically, Nightwish got 113 million streams on Spotify alone in 2019 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10162754391525068&id=14644790067) - I wouldn't be surprised if it was substantially higher in 2020 considering 1. people streaming from home more due to the pandemic and 2. Nightwish released a new album. But even at that 2019 level it equates to a payout of around $360,000, and again that is just from Spotify streaming. They also make money from other streaming services, album sales, merch sales, and obviously in the normal course of things live performances as well (though not in 2020). And of course, they will continue to make money from streaming services year after year even if they release no more music.

Again this isn't to dismiss his complaints about the music industry (and capitalism in general possibly), it just bugs me when there's an implication that streaming services are the problem and everything was fine before.

See, that is where Marco explained, These streaming Services take their cuts, the Label gets a cut, then their managers, and then the band. So exactly, how much do the members actually get, and even at that, the members could be getting more than the others, like here it'd be Tuomas whom gets the most percentage of the funds. Remember also, The business side is why Tarja was fired from Nightwish.

There's reasons why those bands are talking smack about streaming services, and why Neal Morse set up his own streaming service with Waterfall.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on January 12, 2021, 04:28:19 PM
I am also not disregarding his complaints about financials and can understand the sentiment of musicians that they should get a larger cut from the revenue. But in Europe Nightwish fills arena's, the ones where some of the biggest popstars play. Granted, 2020 sucked and the tour is postponed and all, but they sold about 34000 tickets in The Netherlands alone, for a single weekend. And their online numbers are overall great. Point being that the serious financial struggle of so many musicians should not really apply to them.

That said, Marco's last tour was his solo one in early 2020, so perhaps he is also speaking from his experience as a smaller solo artist
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 12, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
I am also not disregarding his complaints about financials and can understand the sentiment of musicians that they should get a larger cut from the revenue. But in Europe Nightwish fills arena's, the ones where some of the biggest popstars play. Granted, 2020 sucked and the tour is postponed and all, but they sold about 34000 tickets in The Netherlands alone, for a single weekend. And their online numbers are overall great. Point being that the serious financial struggle of so many musicians should not really apply to them.

That said, Marco's last tour was his solo one in early 2020, so perhaps he is also speaking from his experience as a smaller solo artist

Yup, he sees this in his solo albums. And notices how bad these streaming services are. Nightwish sells, arenas yes, but how much of that money do they actually get. That's why this industry is a machine and a messed up one at that. And why a lot of musicians will tell young artists, If you are really passionate and dedicated, then yeah go for it, but it's not for everybody because the stress is immense, and the demand is intense where you can't sleep or are constantly on the move, touring, and also recording a music video, a photo shoot, interviews, all while on tour...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: v_clortho on January 12, 2021, 06:01:59 PM
Ok I've never really heard much Nightwish. I want to remedy that. What should I get? What's the best to start with?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 06:03:17 PM
Ok I've never really heard much Nightwish. I want to remedy that. What should I get? What's the best to start with?

Century Child, Imaginarium, Human II Nature.

That's one each for the three vocalists. If you have a preference for one, you can buy the other(s) with that singer.

Also their live albums ain't bad, even if I find Tarja to be pretty meh live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zoom E on January 12, 2021, 06:18:37 PM
This is hugely disappointing. Marco's voice is one of my favourite elements of Nightwish. I really enjoy his solo album Pyre of the Black Heart too.

Totally understand the grind of being in a band, especially if the financial reward is not worth it. I wouldn't want to be constantly touring and away from home.

I hope he comes back and at lease does some more solo work.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: nattmorker on January 12, 2021, 07:04:00 PM
Simen Hestnæs aka ICS Vorex
My first thought.  :lol

Not to derail the thread but that would be awesome! Back to the subject, sad news! I was hoping to catch them in the next tour (whenever that happens).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 12, 2021, 07:32:29 PM
You know what I just thought about. What if not touring is affecting why musicians even made music in the first place. What if, they loved seeing peoples faces, they loved seeing the crowd be up against each other all sweaty and stuff hearing their music, what if seeing all this and playing the music live, gave them a purpose in their own lives. And since there is no more touring, what is the purpose of making music, if you can't see these things anymore. It's really sad to think about, but I am sure there are many artists whom are thinking of doing the same exact thing Marco pondered and decided to do.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 12, 2021, 10:21:25 PM
Jason Newsted is free.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on January 13, 2021, 12:12:26 AM
Really sad news, but I completely respect his decision if he's not feeling it any more and is burned out by the machine of being in such a big band. He'll be hard to replace for sure. In terms of live performances, now that they have Floor with her incredibly powerful and versatile voice, I've no doubt she could take on many of his parts if they wanted to play older songs where his vocals were prominent.

A bit of an aside, but thile he's clearly not wrong about the music industry in general, as is always the case I find it frustrating when people start directing their ire at streaming services as though anything has changed in that regard. Pink Floyd were writing songs about this in the 70s (like Welcome to the Machine), it's nothing new.

On streaming specifically, Nightwish got 113 million streams on Spotify alone in 2019 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10162754391525068&id=14644790067) - I wouldn't be surprised if it was substantially higher in 2020 considering 1. people streaming from home more due to the pandemic and 2. Nightwish released a new album. But even at that 2019 level it equates to a payout of around $360,000, and again that is just from Spotify streaming. They also make money from other streaming services, album sales, merch sales, and obviously in the normal course of things live performances as well (though not in 2020). And of course, they will continue to make money from streaming services year after year even if they release no more music.

Again this isn't to dismiss his complaints about the music industry (and capitalism in general possibly), it just bugs me when there's an implication that streaming services are the problem and everything was fine before.

See, that is where Marco explained, These streaming Services take their cuts, the Label gets a cut, then their managers, and then the band. So exactly, how much do the members actually get, and even at that, the members could be getting more than the others, like here it'd be Tuomas whom gets the most percentage of the funds. Remember also, The business side is why Tarja was fired from Nightwish.

There's reasons why those bands are talking smack about streaming services, and why Neal Morse set up his own streaming service with Waterfall.
But those things apply to everything in the music industry, and always have. With album sales, the label and managers still get their cut, so do the distributors, so do the retailers. He also recognises it's the same to an extent with touring where the promoters get their cut. It just seems he's railing against capitalism in the music industry in general, which is fine if that's not something he wants to be part of any more, but it still bugs me that it gets directed at streaming services when it's no different to how it's always been.

And I'm not buying the suggestion that Nightwish's members don't make solid money, 2020 notwithstanding due to the inability to tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on January 13, 2021, 02:33:40 AM
Jason Newsted is free.
I was gonna jokingly say that but I digressed. Then you came along and blurted it right out! :lol
Way to go man!  :tup
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 13, 2021, 08:23:28 AM
Jason Newsted is free.
I was gonna jokingly say that but I digressed. Then you came along and blurted it right out! :lol
Way to go man!  :tup

Great minds think alike!

I started thinking about bassists that did vocals. Jason's were key to Metallica's live sound in his day. Not sure how he would sound belting out Wish I Had An Angel, though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on January 13, 2021, 09:01:19 AM
I can totally see someone who I'll always associate with the Creeping Death background vocals "Die! die! die! MOTHERFUCKER die!" belt out Wish I Had an Angel even better and angrier than Marko  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on January 13, 2021, 09:22:49 AM
And I'm not buying the suggestion that Nightwish's members don't make solid money, 2020 notwithstanding due to the inability to tour.

The question really is, how much of a paycut have they taken because of the introduction of streaming music?  If Marco is seeing his portion of income reduced because they don't sell as many albums compared to streaming revenue, then that is a legitimate reason. 

As successful as the band is, nobody likes taking a paycut and having to work harder to make up for it. 


I can totally see someone who I'll always associate with the Creeping Death background vocals "Die! die! die! MOTHERFUCKER die!" belt out Wish I Had an Angel even better and angrier than Marko  :lol

Jason could handle songs like those, but he doesn't have the nuance and softness in his voice for songs like The Islander.  Marco has a lot more to him than just handling the aggressive vocals when needed. 

That being said, seeing Jason in the band would be awesome, and some of those softer elements would probably get thrown to Troy. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on January 13, 2021, 09:30:09 AM
I can totally see someone who I'll always associate with the Creeping Death background vocals "Die! die! die! MOTHERFUCKER die!" belt out Wish I Had an Angel even better and angrier than Marko  :lol

DIE DIE BEAUTIFUL
DIE DIE DIE DIE

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2021, 01:14:48 PM
I don't watch Herman Li's twitch streams regularly, but I subscribe on youtube because the cuts he uploads are usually pretty fun or interesting...

he uploaded this video talking about Marco leaving Nightwish which is very interesting to hear from someone in the business:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OapkGDz9Bho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OapkGDz9Bho)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 13, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
I don't watch Herman Li's twitch streams regularly, but I subscribe on youtube because the cuts he uploads are usually pretty fun or interesting...

he uploaded this video talking about Marco leaving Nightwish which is very interesting to hear from someone in the business:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OapkGDz9Bho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OapkGDz9Bho)

There you go...

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on January 13, 2021, 03:11:40 PM
And I'm not buying the suggestion that Nightwish's members don't make solid money, 2020 notwithstanding due to the inability to tour.

The question really is, how much of a paycut have they taken because of the introduction of streaming music?  If Marco is seeing his portion of income reduced because they don't sell as many albums compared to streaming revenue, then that is a legitimate reason. 

As successful as the band is, nobody likes taking a paycut and having to work harder to make up for it. 
Why do you think there's been a paycut? Artists are making more in total than they ever have, and artists share of total revenue has been rising steadily since around 1999 (that doesn't mean they're getting a fair share, but the share they're getting is higher than it's been since around the 70s/80s).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
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AN EVENING WITH NIGHTWISH IN A VIRTUAL WORLD RESCHEDULED FOR MAY New VIP packages and 1 day tickets on sale soon

The interactive ”An Evening with Nightwish In a Virtual World” concert experiences that will kick off the ”Human. :II: Nature.” World Tour have been rescheduled from March to May due to changes in the band’s touring schedule. The new dates are Friday, May 28 and Saturday, May 29, 2021.

Tickets purchased for the original dates are automatically valid for the new dates, or can be returned by March 12, 2021. More details further below.

2 day tickets will be on sale for the current price until February 14, 2021, 22:59 CET. After this the price will go up.

VIP packages will go on sale at the same time. The VIP package includes a virtual session with the yet unrevealed bass player of Nightwish’s ”Human. :II: Nature.” tour, among other perks. The identity of the bass player will be revealed on the live virtual session included in the VIP package on Friday, May 28, 2021.

EVENT INFO: Nightwish will perform in a tavern called ”The Islanders Arms” built in a virtual world for two nights in May. On both nights, the fans will experience an unforgettable 1.5-hour performance, hearing songs live off the latest album, ”Human. :II: Nature.” for the first time ever. These two nights will have their own, slightly different setlists.

Fri, May 28, 2021, Europe: 8pm CET / 7pm GMT, duration approx. 90min

Sat, May 29, 2021, North and South America: 8pm ET (UTC-5) / 5pm PT (UTC -8) / 10pm BRT (UTC-3) / 7pm CST (UTC -6), duration approx. 90min

Virtual VIP sessions with the bass player will be held on both dates before the show (schedule to be confirmed later).

The live events to be experienced at: www.burst.fi A recording of the concert will be available for 48 hours after the event for all the ticket holders.

More details and tickets at: www.nightwish.com.

Damn, I thought the virtual concert might have been part of Marco's commitments he would still do. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on February 04, 2021, 02:54:46 PM
That's such a bummer about Marco. He's irreplaceable,  you have to BE Marco to pull off Marco. I'm sure they can find a bass player to play the songs just fine, but Marco has this monster stage presence that defines a big part of Nightwish. His voice is unmistakable too..
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 04, 2021, 03:02:11 PM
That's such a bummer about Marco. He's irreplaceable,  you have to BE Marco to pull off Marco. I'm sure they can find a bass player to play the songs just fine, but Marco has this monster stage presence that defines a big part of Nightwish. His voice is unmistakable too..

Yup, behind Tarja, Marco was the next defining member of the band. Not only his voice, but in his bass tone and playing. He really upped that on Imaginarium.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 05, 2021, 09:01:55 PM
Guess there's some rumors out there that Jarkko Ahola  might replace Marco.  Anyone heard these rumors?  Guys got a hell of a voice!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBSDB5oHug&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on February 06, 2021, 03:58:05 AM
Guess there's some rumors out there that Jarkko Ahola  might replace Marko.  Anyone heard these rumors?  Guys got a hell of a voice!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBSDB5oHug&feature=youtu.be

Based on that, I would be down with that. Nobody sounds like Marco, and Marco was also really versatile.

But good vocals are good vocals, and I hope they will get a good vocalist in his place. Google teaches me he is a bassplayer and composer as well, so he does have the credentials.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2021, 04:46:03 AM
Fine by me!  :hat
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 16, 2021, 06:12:57 AM
I must be an eternal optimist.  I ponied up for a concert ticket in LA.  Here's to wishes coming true!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zydar on February 16, 2021, 06:25:57 AM
Here's to wishes coming true!

One could say you're a...




...Wishmaster!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on February 16, 2021, 06:34:29 AM
I must be an eternal optimist.  I ponied up for a concert ticket in LA.  Here's to wishes coming true!

The date for the Dutch show has been changed twice, but now at the end of 2021 I have a decent amount of hope. But since we are talking about 17000 people event, I am still a little bit skeptical, opposed to smaller scale shows.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 16, 2021, 06:46:55 PM
I must be an eternal optimist.  I ponied up for a concert ticket in LA.  Here's to wishes coming true!

The date for the Dutch show has been changed twice, but now at the end of 2021 I have a decent amount of hope. But since we are talking about 17000 people event, I am still a little bit skeptical, opposed to smaller scale shows.
We shall see how the vaccinations play out, and how local governments respond and legislate.  I'm perfectly OK with them saying you have to be vaccinated to attend a large event. (Just my opinion and I don't disregard the opposite).

Here's to wishes coming true!

One could say you're a...




...Wishmaster!
:biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2021, 06:52:35 PM
I'm hopeful for that small fall NA leg, but while they don't play the huge venues in the US as they do in Europe, just the travel restrictions alone could still be an issue.  We will see, I still have my tickets and will hold if they have to reschedule, but it will suck if this tour never happens.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 23, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo_Wk9JffKg

Snowy winter medley from Italy! (by a duo that does amazing and funny stuff, check their channel)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on February 28, 2021, 01:13:33 AM
Marco and a couple of friends  ;D
https://youtu.be/j5X03tHmKZg
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on February 28, 2021, 05:12:31 AM
Marco and a couple of friends  ;D
https://youtu.be/j5X03tHmKZg

Today I learnt I was placing the accent on Marco's surname wrong. I was pronouncing Hie-TA-la, not HIE-ta-la.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 08, 2021, 04:25:06 AM
Now if NW want to find a similar voice to Marco then this is their man...
https://youtu.be/Gw_w_T6kzHs
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 23, 2021, 05:49:20 PM
Apparently the new NW bass player does not sing...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on April 23, 2021, 06:07:23 PM
Floor can easily do all the vocals.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 23, 2021, 06:43:32 PM
She can with all the pre-recorded backing vox, but she sure can't sing Marco's parts.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 24, 2021, 09:45:26 AM
Honestly that would be a big live downgrade for me. Not that Floor can't carry songs on her own, far from it (obviously). But the variety of vocalists adds a lot to me.

Perhaps they can go the Kamelot way, where all concerts/tours feature a guest/guests.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 24, 2021, 09:58:50 AM
Well, there goes the chance of hearing Floor do Planet Hell or The Siren...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 24, 2021, 10:10:07 AM
On the fence about the virtual concert.  It would be a no brainer if I could experience it on my Oculus!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Perhaps they can go the Kamelot way, where all concerts/tours feature a guest/guests.

That was my first thought! gender swapping Kamelot's approach, where Tommy is the fixed singer and every tour there's a different woman doing additional vocals, they could have a supporting singer for each tour, giving an always different flavors to the performances.

Let's face it, Marco is unrepleacable anyway - not because there isn't anyone on the planet that can sing what he sings, of course there is, but after such a long time replacing such an unmistakeable voice is an impossible task, they might as well retire the position of permanent male singer of the band, and have a supporting live singer for each tour.

Or maybe Troy can start to rehearse some "DREEEEEAM OF MEEEEEEEEEEE WHOOOOOOOOO YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH"  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2021, 11:04:29 AM
But didn't we all say the same thing when Tarja was booted? Impossible to replace? Then they just went the totally opposite direction until they ended up with Floor and everyone seems quite thrilled. I think if they try to mimic Marco's voice, it'll go poorly. If they get someone who has their own style and is fantastic, it might work out.

Or.....Tuomas takes over singing male parts again!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2021, 12:22:28 PM
I explained it poorly; by "impossible to replace" I didn't mean it literally, anyone can be replaced in the sense that you can find someone else that can sing the songs just as good - even Bruce Dickinson can be "replaced" in the sense that there are people out there that can perfectly sing his material, and Rob Halford was literally replaced by a "clone" - still the vast majority of people didn't accept Ripper in Priest.

So, while there must be scores of singers out there that can do justice to Nightwish's male singing parts, after such a long time with such a unique voice nothing else will feel the same or "right", no matter how good the new singer will be, that's why I was saying "eh, might as well use guest singers anyway".

For example I'd place James LaBrie too in the "unreplaceable" category - sure there are people out there that can sing his studio parts and perform better than him live, but he's been there for the entire discography minus the debut, no one else will make it sound like it's DT, no matter how much Petrucci and Rudess' style will still be there.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 24, 2021, 02:30:07 PM
Now if NW want to find a similar voice to Marco then this is their man...
https://youtu.be/Gw_w_T6kzHs

You people must have skipped this one, Marco from a parallel universe  :xbones
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2021, 02:42:27 PM
I explained it poorly; by "impossible to replace" I didn't mean it literally, anyone can be replaced in the sense that you can find someone else that can sing the songs just as good - even Bruce Dickinson can be "replaced" in the sense that there are people out there that can perfectly sing his material, and Rob Halford was literally replaced by a "clone" - still the vast majority of people didn't accept Ripper in Priest.

So, while there must be scores of singers out there that can do justice to Nightwish's male singing parts, after such a long time with such a unique voice nothing else will feel the same or "right", no matter how good the new singer will be, that's why I was saying "eh, might as well use guest singers anyway".

For example I'd place James LaBrie too in the "unreplaceable" category - sure there are people out there that can sing his studio parts and perform better than him live, but he's been there for the entire discography minus the debut, no one else will make it sound like it's DT, no matter how much Petrucci and Rudess' style will still be there.

Oh no I understood what you meant. I still think Tarja is a good example of it working anyway.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 24, 2021, 02:49:47 PM
There are people in Finland who play the bass (or guitar, with transferable skills) and who could do Marko's material. The problem is that that's not the route the band wants to take, and instead they want to go back to the year 2001, when there were male vocals on the albums but if you want them live, you have to call a friend. Unless they're straight up lying to us now about not getting a singing bassist, that's what's going to happen. Guess all that talk around the release of the new album about how they loved doing three-part vocal harmonies the most was for nothing, we're down to one voice and one backing vocal at best.

Can you tell I'm a little salty? Marko is the reason why my interest in the band survived the Anette era. It was like, yeah, she's spotty live, but he's there. If we're going into yet another era where a major part of what's on the albums is missing, I'm going to... well, idk what I'm going to do, because I've been listening to this band for half my life and they're only coming over closer than a 7 hour drive this year, so I'll have to go see them. But I'll sulk!!

Having said all that, I'm not mad at all at him for leaving. While the statement is rushed and clearly not proofread by someone for clarity, if you read interviews with him, you can understand that whole statement pretty easily and it's all valid. The 9-5 bit refers to the statement the Spotify CEO gave to the media, where he said that you can't expect to make a nice living from streaming by delivering one album in two years, which leaves bands like Nightwish who only work when they're inspired waaaay behind in the dust. The Middle East bit refers to the Live Nation thing - they would not be allowed to play in most of those countries due to their strong lyrical content, but rich investors from those countries are allowed to take money from the gigs they play around the world, which is massively unfair. He has a working class background with strong left ideals and I guess his break has allowed him to see the incongruity between what he believes in and giving up his blood, sweat and tears to the suits. It's not about not making enough money, NW probably makes more than most metal bands nowadays, it's about working way too hard to leave way too much of it on the table for people who don't deserve it.

Anyway, Marko played "Children Of The Grave" and "Isäni ääni" (https://youtu.be/OvC-cT6p34I?t=8352) at the closing of Henry's Pub in Kuopio, with the house band and his brother on guitar. Looked great, sounded 15 years younger.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 24, 2021, 05:23:41 PM
I saw Anette a few times with the band and she was pretty good, sure she wasn't so great on the old Tarja songs, but she wasn't the right voice to sing those songs.
She sang her era songs great and was also very good with the crowd, something neither Tarja or Floor are/were particularly good at, however Marco was.

Anyhow I think they are going with the non-singing bassist and perhaps an additional male voice, according to my source close to the band who is sworn to secrecy. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
Anyhow I think they are going with the non-singing bassist and perhaps an additional male voice, according to my source close to the band who is sworn to secrecy.

He's doing a great job so far  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zoom E on April 24, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Now if NW want to find a similar voice to Marco then this is their man...
https://youtu.be/Gw_w_T6kzHs

You people must have skipped this one, Marco from a parallel universe  :xbones

Wow, he sounds just like Marko. Too much like him, IMO.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on April 25, 2021, 08:25:44 AM
Can you tell I'm a little salty? Marko is the reason why my interest in the band survived the Anette era. It was like, yeah, she's spotty live, but he's there. If we're going into yet another era where a major part of what's on the albums is missing, I'm going to...

...get on with your roulette? :neverusethis:

Can you tell I'm a little salty?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on May 06, 2021, 07:05:10 PM
Interesting comments from Tuomas - he talks about how Marco's decision to retire affected the band, and then elaborated on future setlists:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tuomas-holopainen-thought-there-was-no-coming-back-for-nightwish-after-marco-hietalas-departure/

Quote
Holopainen also confirmed that NIGHTWISH's future setlists will likely also be affected by Hietala's absence from the group. "There are some songs that are so profilic [sic] to Marco that we cannot do them, I think, ever again," he said. "I'm not absolutely certain, but, for example, 'The Islander', 'While Your Lips Are Still Red' and definitely 'Endlessness' from the new album is something that cannot be performed without Marco. But then, after spending five days in the rehearsal room, there are some songs that actually work surprisingly well without Marco, that Floor [Jansen] or Troy [Donockley] is doing [Marco's] parts. And I was a bit suspicious about that, but then when I heard the new arrangement for those parts, I was, like, 'Yeah, I think this actually might work.'"

Looks like Floor and Troy might take some of Marco's vocals when they play live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2021, 07:14:56 PM
They can't replace those vocals, but they can do their own take on them.  Just listen to Decades.  Many of those songs are before Floor/Marco/Troy and yet they put their own spin on them and it's really awesome. I'm super upset about Marco, but there's a glimmer of hope that the band can not only continue but actually add some new perspectives on songs and have them still be good. I've got my ticket for the live steam and am really interesting.  I hope Marco is actually there to perform Endlessness just once.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on May 07, 2021, 09:07:15 AM
They can't replace those vocals, but they can do their own take on them.  Just listen to Decades.  Many of those songs are before Floor/Marco/Troy and yet they put their own spin on them and it's really awesome. I'm super upset about Marco, but there's a glimmer of hope that the band can not only continue but actually add some new perspectives on songs and have them still be good. I've got my ticket for the live steam and am really interesting.  I hope Marco is actually there to perform Endlessness just once.

I don't really listen to Decades that much, but I do recall that they rearranged some vocal parts, which I liked.  I just think that release doesn't have the oomph or power of their other live albums.  Marco did say he had a few things that he was obligated to do with Nightwish this year - I think the livestream might be one of them.

I am really glad that I saw the band live for the first time on the Endless Forms tour and got to see that lineup with Marco.  I regret not seeing the Tarja and Annette lineups. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2021, 09:12:52 AM
I think this highlights also how all those "this is the last lineup" claims from various bands are made when the world is nice and sunny, and they never think about that day finally and seriously coming.

Take for example Dream Theater - it's easy for them to say that this is the last lineup as well, but if after this new album Myung has enough and retires, do you seriously picture Petrucci, Rudess and LaBrie throwing in the towel as well because the bass player left? I'm sure they will carry on as long as they have something to give, which is also Tuomas' reasoning.

Everyone likes money, but at a certain point and age, being a musician is all you know and all you can do. If Tuomas feels the band can go on, he's damn right in keeping it going, just like Petrucci should carry on with DT if he feels like so if Myung, Rudess or even LaBrie retire.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2021, 09:16:31 AM
Well to be fair, if Tuomas says he quites then that's it.  I think in DT, if JP quit, that would be it.  There are band members, specifically the founder/leader/songwriter, that cannot be replaced.  But most can if the main person wants to keep it going.  Nightwish has had many members at this point, as long as Tuomas wants to continue, I'd expect Nightwish to continue but he's the stopping point.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 07, 2021, 05:46:39 PM
What gave Tuomas hope was hearing the arrangements of the Marco vocals during rehearsals.

He said as well if Nightwish were to call it a day. He still would've done stuff as he has melodies and notes that he wants people to still hear. He likely would've gone solo and had guests, if anything.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
What gave Tuomas hope was hearing the arrangements of the Marco vocals during rehearsals.

He said as well if Nightwish were to call it a day. He still would've done stuff as he has melodies and notes that he wants people to still hear. He likely would've gone solo and had guests, if anything.

He has his other side project, so I wouldn't expect him to stop with music, but I'd expect it to be the end of NW if he decided to stop it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 07, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
If you don't know, Auri is one Tuomas 'side projects' with his wife Johanna Kurkela on lead vocals.
https://youtu.be/IMGykxseAlc
This is the most up-tempo song on the album, the rest is more ambient.

New Auri is already recorded and due later this year.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on May 08, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
Wow, that's quite a beautiful song! 💫 :heart
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 26, 2021, 08:52:10 AM
Just sprung for the virtual show on Saturday.  Anyone else doing the virtual? 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2021, 08:52:33 AM
Just sprung for the virtual show on Saturday.  Anyone else doing the virtual?

Yup, it's both Friday and Saturday. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 26, 2021, 09:33:11 AM
Just sprung for the virtual show on Saturday.  Anyone else doing the virtual?

Yup, it's both Friday and Saturday.
So it looked to me like the friday was at european hours, like 2am your time?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2021, 09:39:05 AM
Just sprung for the virtual show on Saturday.  Anyone else doing the virtual?

Yup, it's both Friday and Saturday.
So it looked to me like the friday was at european hours, like 2am your time?

Yeah Friday is Euro hours, but they said there are separate set lists so worth watching both IMO.  "The setlist has variation for each night." is stated on the website.  If I did the conversion right, it's 2PM EST, 11AM PST.  You can watch it again up to 48 hours later so if that's too early, you can still watch it later.  I'm actually off from work so 2PM works for me, but my friend said he wants to watch when we hang in the evening so I'll just watch the replay on Friday night, and then watch the Saturday stream live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 26, 2021, 10:16:04 AM
Yeah Friday is Euro hours, but they said there are separate set lists so worth watching both IMO.  "The setlist has variation for each night." is stated on the website.  If I did the conversion right, it's 2PM EST, 11AM PST.  You can watch it again up to 48 hours later so if that's too early, you can still watch it later.  I'm actually off from work so 2PM works for me, but my friend said he wants to watch when we hang in the evening so I'll just watch the replay on Friday night, and then watch the Saturday stream live.
Ahh... yeah I forgot about the 48 hour aspect.  Maybe I'll try to upgrade for both shows.

**EDIT...  can't find a way to upgrade to both shows without paying the full 35 euros for the second show.   :'(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dedalus on May 28, 2021, 01:12:12 PM
New session bass player - Jukka Koskinen (Wintersun)

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-announces-marco-hietalas-replacement-for-human-ii-nature-world-tour (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-announces-marco-hietalas-replacement-for-human-ii-nature-world-tour)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 28, 2021, 01:58:37 PM
WOW...and WOW!!!!!!  What a fantastic experience.  So glad I coughed up the $$$



***SPOILERS****
  including set list














Just finished the virtual concert.  What a unique and cool experience! Whoever came up with the idea gets HUGE props.  As mentioned by Dedalus, Jukka from Wintersun was the bassist.  He did a great job on the Bass but had no vocal parts.  Songs with Marko vocal parts were split by Troy and Floor.  The VR folks did a phenomenal job.  Loved the steampunk theme.

It was weird seeing them Live, yet in such an intimate manner and I thoroughly enjoyed it!  Awesome set list too!  The band was very tight and Floor did an incredible job.






SETLIST

Noise
Planet Hell
Tribal
Elan
Storytime
She's My Sin
Harvest
7 Days to the Wolves
Bless the Child
Nemo
How's the Heart
Shoemaker
Last Ride of the Day
Ghost Love Score
Greatest Show on Earth
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 28, 2021, 02:14:19 PM
That looks like an awesome setlist. I was on the fence about this, but seeing such a favorable review, I think I'll go ahead and buy a ticket for tomorrow night's show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 28, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
That looks like an awesome setlist. I was on the fence about this, but seeing such a favorable review, I think I'll go ahead and buy a ticket for tomorrow night's show.
It really was an awesome show and experience.  Now, I'm guessing at some point it will be a Bluray but after the crappy financial year all our fav musicians have been through the last year I don't mind coughing up the $$$.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2021, 04:38:32 PM
Anyone else having trouble with it? I bought the two show pass and have been trying to watch the first show for like 10 minutes and it just says my video will be available soon but doesn't seem to go anywhere.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 28, 2021, 04:39:24 PM
It said on the FAQ that it would take 4-6 hours for the recording to be available. The show only ended like two and a half hours ago, so it's probably just not ready yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2021, 04:40:08 PM
It said on the FAQ that it would take 4-6 hours for the recording to be available. The show only ended like two and a half hours ago, so it's probably just not ready yet.

So when they told me to read the FAQ, I shouldn't have shrugged that off. Gotcha. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2021, 08:33:51 AM
Watching it now. It's a bit odd but mostly good and fun. My only issue is the mix. Guitar is pretty low and the drums just sound...weak? Like the toms are super thin and low in the mix and there's a ton of high end on the hats and snare. I wish it had more power. But overall I'm enjoying it!

I also wish the drummer had some more energy. He's got chops, no doubt, but he looks just sooooo calm and chill. Music like this needs energy. New bassist (while also seemingly very good) also is just kind of hanging around. I wish there was a bit more energy.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 29, 2021, 10:06:29 AM
Watching it now. It's a bit odd but mostly good and fun. My only issue is the mix. Guitar is pretty low and the drums just sound...weak? Like the toms are super thin and low in the mix and there's a ton of high end on the hats and snare. I wish it had more power. But overall I'm enjoying it!

I also wish the drummer had some more energy. He's got chops, no doubt, but he looks just sooooo calm and chill. Music like this needs energy. New bassist (while also seemingly very good) also is just kind of hanging around. I wish there was a bit more energy.
As far as the energy level I agree.  I just attributed it to having no audience to fuel the fire that extra bit or the whole real concert feel for the band.  I mean, they're playing on a green screen.  Also agree about Kai, great drummer, but I have missed that Jukka energy and grove.  I actually thought the sound was OK, yeah there were some weird parts where a level seemed suddenly off with the guitar or drums but in the grand scheme of things it's live right?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 11:41:25 AM
Watching yesterday's show now, shocked they went right into Planet Hell and wow, Floor just nailed it solo on the vocals. I kind of like how they just dug right into it. Sound, to me, so far is fantastic. Has a "live" sound to it and doesn't sound just like the album. Visuals are great! I'll try to watch tonight's show live.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2021, 11:51:11 AM
Watching yesterday's show now, shocked they went right into Planet Hell and wow, Floor just nailed it solo on the vocals. I kind of like how they just dug right into it. Sound, to me, so far is fantastic. Has a "live" sound to it and doesn't sound just like the album. Visuals are great! I'll try to watch tonight's show live.

Floor was so good on Planet Hell that it was until the "Welcome down to my planet...hellllll" part that I realized it was originally Marco singing much of the song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
Yeah, she did a great job on that one... but Troy on I Want My Tears Back just didn't have the same feel to it.

Also, hoping tonight they do the norm version, not acoustic, of How's the Heart. My favorite from the new album so I'd love to see the normal performance of it, especially since the Troy and Floor acoustic version was already out there. (Not that it's a bad rendition)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2021, 12:32:55 PM
Yeah, she did a great job on that one... but Troy on I Want My Tears Back just didn't have the same feel to it.

Also, hoping tonight they do the norm version, not acoustic, of How's the Heart. My favorite from the new album so I'd love to see the normal performance of it, especially since the Troy and Floor acoustic version was already out there. (Not that it's a bad rendition)

Agree 100%. Though overall, aside from IWMTB, I thought Troy did a great job.

I hope tonight is a pretty different setlist. If it's 2 songs different, that just feels weak. I don't need Ghost Love Score or Greatest Show on Earth anymore or a decent amount of those songs. Not sure how different it'll be, but I'm hoping it's considerable, given how unique the shows are anyway.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 29, 2021, 12:51:02 PM
Can I still buy tickets and watch later before the time is up?

I really want to hear Planet Hell. And even more so now that Floor is singing it now as well. It's one song I've been hoping they play live with Floor.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 29, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
Can I still buy tickets and watch later before the time is up?

I really want to hear Planet Hell. And even more so now that Floor is singing it now as well. It's one song I've been hoping they play live with Floor.
I just checked, it doesn't look like it.  :(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 29, 2021, 01:35:14 PM
Can I still buy tickets and watch later before the time is up?

I really want to hear Planet Hell. And even more so now that Floor is singing it now as well. It's one song I've been hoping they play live with Floor.

I would have done this if I could have, but it's not possible. They might play it again tonight depending on how different the setlist is.


I hope tonight is a pretty different setlist. If it's 2 songs different, that just feels weak. I don't need Ghost Love Score or Greatest Show on Earth anymore or a decent amount of those songs. Not sure how different it'll be, but I'm hoping it's considerable, given how unique the shows are anyway.

I would be willing to bet a pretty substantial amount of money that they play Ghost Love Score tonight. I think that's pretty much in the Nightwish setlist forever—or at least as long as Floor is in the band. At least it's their best song, unlike a lot of other bands' live staples.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on May 29, 2021, 04:21:24 PM
I've seen a bunch of clips on YouTube.  Looks like a cool, unique show!

Just read that they're playing at 3am their local time so tonight's show can be prime time here in the US.  That is crazy!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
I've seen a bunch of clips on YouTube.  Looks like a cool, unique show!

Just read that they're playing at 3am their local time so tonight's show can be prime time here in the US.  That is crazy!

Yeah, that's pretty crazy to do that at 3am.  Also, according to Nightwish's twitter account, they are aggressively going after anyone who uploads to youtube even if its reaction videos.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2021, 04:37:33 PM
I've seen a bunch of clips on YouTube.  Looks like a cool, unique show!

Just read that they're playing at 3am their local time so tonight's show can be prime time here in the US.  That is crazy!

Yeah, that's pretty crazy to do that at 3am.  Also, according to Nightwish's twitter account, they are aggressively going after anyone who uploads to youtube even if its reaction videos.

Oh yea. The whole thing is already on YouTube. It’s crazy how quick it happens.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
I've seen a bunch of clips on YouTube.  Looks like a cool, unique show!

Just read that they're playing at 3am their local time so tonight's show can be prime time here in the US.  That is crazy!

Yeah, that's pretty crazy to do that at 3am.  Also, according to Nightwish's twitter account, they are aggressively going after anyone who uploads to youtube even if its reaction videos.

Oh yea. The whole thing is already on YouTube. It’s crazy how quick it happens.

Not surprising, there's likely many people not wanting to pay but want to watch so people will eagerly try to get those views. I say this as someone who records lots of live music, but I dont see a livestream as the same thing at all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2021, 04:42:43 PM
I admit I watched GSL before I was able to see the stream but I feel okay since I bought both nights anyway.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 29, 2021, 05:49:06 PM
I wish I could've bought tickets. Hopefully they'll decide to release a Blu-Ray or something later on down the road.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 06:28:08 PM
So far only one song different but we are now getting what I wanted, Hows the Heart abum version  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 06:52:08 PM
Ever Dream... one of my favorite NW songs... is missing that Marco oomph in the chorus.  His backing vocals were a huge reason I loved the song (DREAMMMM OFF MEEE).  Glad I saw this live with Marco.  Not to say the performance is bad or anything, Floor kills it but it's a very specific part of a very favorite song that just can't be replicated
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2021, 07:17:13 PM
Encore mode,

unless there's a surprise, the setlist changes were Alpenglow/Dark Chest of Wonders/Ever Dream/Pan/Sleeping Sun/Hows the heart (album version) vs Tribal/She is My Sin/Seven Days to the Wolves/Bless The Child/Shoemaker/Hows the Heart (acoustic)

honestly, kind of seems like how their tours are, a base set with rotating songs in between the start and ending. Pan was awesome, but really no deep cuts other than the new songs.  Planet Hell might have been the most rare song and it was performed as the second song both performances.  Maybe that's how they will open future live shows, Floor really did nail it without Marco and I guess Planet Hell kind of makes sense in the pandemic world we live in.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 29, 2021, 08:00:27 PM
I thought that was really good. I'm glad I sprang for the second show and wish I'd gone for both. Hopefully this will see the light of day as a Blu-Ray release or something. It seems like they put a lot of work and money into the visual presentation, and while the CGI wasn't Hollywood-quality, it generally looked quite nice and definitely not low-rent. The aesthetic was very Nightwish—very Tuomas, really. So hopefully they didn't put in all that investment for a one-off that they intend to just stick in a drawer, and these shows see a wider release.

I was really skeptical of the idea of not replacing Marco's voice. I was worried it would require them to severely limit future setlists. While I still think it would be a good idea to at least bring along a guest singer on tour (kind of like a gender-swapped version of what Kamelot does), I'm now sold on them being able to do a standard setlist with the lineup they have now.

Troy put in a really valiant effort to cover some of Marco's parts. I noticed this time that he's really wearing a lot of hats. He plays all of his wind instruments, plus he's a second guitarist, and now he's moving from doing maybe 5% of the vocal parts to doing a solid 15%, depending on the setlist. He did miss one cue singing—the return from the instrumental break in I Want My Tears Back—but he did a good job. I heard more power from his voice than I've ever heard before.

But as valiant as Troy is, this whole not replacing Marco as a vocalist thing works only because they have just about the current best singer in rock music. In retrospect, I don't know why I doubted that Floor could be two singers in one show—I've heard Ghost Love Floor before, I should know better than to doubt her. The hardest Marco parts work because of her. Planet Hell comes off practically like it was written for her, and The Greatest Show on Earth works better than I thought. Ever Dream and I Want My Tears Back are missing some juice, but not as much as I expected. I Want My Tears Back now has a totally different vibe from the album version, where Anette sings the soft, fragile chorus and Marco comes in with a lot of power—now we begin with Floor's powerful chorus and switch to Troy's more fragile voice.

Cram summed up the setlist changes, but just to put the full set here, night two was:


1. Noise
2. Planet Hell
3. Alpenglow
4. Élan
5. Storytime
6. How's the Heart?
7. Harvest
8. Dark Chest of Wonders
9. I Want My Tears Back
10. Ever Dream
11. Nemo
12. Sleeping Sun
13. Pan
14. Last Ride of the Day
15. Ghost Love Score
16. The Greatest Show on Earth

I think I like this setlist a little better, though I'm sad I missed the first. In particular, I'd like to hear Floor solo 7 Days to the Wolves. And She is My Sin and Bless the Child are absolutely always welcome. But Ever Dream/Dark Chest of Wonders/Sleeping Sun is a nearly unbeatable trio.

The one thing that disappointed me is that they didn't talk at all between songs. I know it's probably awkward doing these shows with no audience (there were times when it didn't seem like Floor quite knew what to do, and it took a while and an Emppu for the band to start moving around and interacting with each other). But I would have liked them to at least introduce the new bassist. If you watched this thing and you didn't know the history of the band, you'd think he'd always been there.

Edit: One other thing I realized: When I first became a fan of the band, the newest album was Imaginaerum, which turns 10 this year. Only two full members of the Imaginaerum lineup are still in the band. Two and a half if you count Troy, who guested on half of the songs on that album. Anette, Marco, Jukka—all gone. Just Tuomas and Emppu remain.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 29, 2021, 08:15:21 PM
So far only one song different but we are now getting what I wanted, Hows the Heart abum version  :metal :metal
I was thinking of your earlier wish for the album version of How's the Heart when they played it!

Awesome show tonight!  Actually thought yesterdays show was tighter.  Couple thoughts, did Floor mess up on her coming back in after Troy's solo for Tears?  They kept the tribal video in the sequence even though they swapped out Alpenglow for Tribal.  Also like Marc mentioned, Everdream just sounded ...different with  Floor doing Marco's parts. Same with TGSOE, Marco's parts "Enter Ionia" when Floor and Troy did them, equal in the mix it was a lil odd.   I liked that in the end vocal parts of Harvest Floor was really down in the mix while Troy belted it out.  I REALLY liked Pan live!  It had a lot of energy and Floors versatile range in the song was great.  During TGSOE I loved the interaction with Troy and Floor during the animal grunts.

I'm really curious if they are using these 2 shows as a trial to see how they should move forward with regards to Marco's vocals.  Combinations were used of Troy, Floor, and both together to cover them.  I'm not sure what the right answer is.  Marco's leaving has definitely left a hole in the mix.  I'm leaning towards them finding,if possible, someone who can handle Marco's parts and play Bass. 

Another thing, and I'm not sure if it's just me, but Floors vocals seemed  a little odd.  It almost came across as up half a step?  They just overall seemed higher?  I dunno...  Overall they were great and she hit all the notes.  At the end of the day it was a fun show!!!  I'm so glad I watched them both.  There's a good chance I will have to sell my ticket for the October show because we will probably be moved to Florida from SoCal by then so these shows might have to tide me over.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 29, 2021, 08:21:59 PM
Awesome show tonight!  Actually thought yesterdays show was tighter.  Couple thoughts, did Floor mess up on her coming back in after Troy's solo for Tears?

I think that one is on Troy. I just went back to the album version, and Marco sings that first chorus back alone, and Anette doesn't come in until the second chorus.


Also like Marc mentioned, Everdream just sounded ...different with  Floor doing Marco's parts. Same with TGSOE, Marco's parts "Enter Ionia" when Floor and Troy did them, equal in the mix it was a lil odd.   I liked that in the end vocal parts of Harvest Floor was really down in the mix while Troy belted it out.

I think they generally did a good job of placing Floor and Troy in the appropriate places in the mix at different times. In Harvest and Tears she needs to not overpower him, which she can easily do, so they dial her back. On TGSOE, though, those parts need power, so she needs to just go for it and let Troy add what color he can (which I think he did a solid job of doing, with what sounded a little like a Marco impression).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dedalus on May 29, 2021, 11:01:33 PM
I thought that was really good. I'm glad I sprang for the second show and wish I'd gone for both. Hopefully this will see the light of day as a Blu-Ray release or something. It seems like they put a lot of work and money into the visual presentation, and while the CGI wasn't Hollywood-quality, it generally looked quite nice and definitely not low-rent. The aesthetic was very Nightwish—very Tuomas, really. So hopefully they didn't put in all that investment for a one-off that they intend to just stick in a drawer, and these shows see a wider release.

I was really skeptical of the idea of not replacing Marco's voice. I was worried it would require them to severely limit future setlists. While I still think it would be a good idea to at least bring along a guest singer on tour (kind of like a gender-swapped version of what Kamelot does), I'm now sold on them being able to do a standard setlist with the lineup they have now.

Troy put in a really valiant effort to cover some of Marco's parts. I noticed this time that he's really wearing a lot of hats. He plays all of his wind instruments, plus he's a second guitarist, and now he's moving from doing maybe 5% of the vocal parts to doing a solid 15%, depending on the setlist. He did miss one cue singing—the return from the instrumental break in I Want My Tears Back—but he did a good job. I heard more power from his voice than I've ever heard before.

But as valiant as Troy is, this whole not replacing Marco as a vocalist thing works only because they have just about the current best singer in rock music. In retrospect, I don't know why I doubted that Floor could be two singers in one show—I've heard Ghost Love Floor before, I should know better than to doubt her. The hardest Marco parts work because of her. Planet Hell comes off practically like it was written for her, and The Greatest Show on Earth works better than I thought. Ever Dream and I Want My Tears Back are missing some juice, but not as much as I expected. I Want My Tears Back now has a totally different vibe from the album version, where Anette sings the soft, fragile chorus and Marco comes in with a lot of power—now we begin with Floor's powerful chorus and switch to Troy's more fragile voice.

Cram summed up the setlist changes, but just to put the full set here, night two was:


1. Noise
2. Planet Hell
3. Alpenglow
4. Élan
5. Storytime
6. How's the Heart?
7. Harvest
8. Dark Chest of Wonders
9. I Want My Tears Back
10. Ever Dream
11. Nemo
12. Sleeping Sun
13. Pan
14. Last Ride of the Day
15. Ghost Love Score
16. The Greatest Show on Earth

I think I like this setlist a little better, though I'm sad I missed the first. In particular, I'd like to hear Floor solo 7 Days to the Wolves. And She is My Sin and Bless the Child are absolutely always welcome. But Ever Dream/Dark Chest of Wonders/Sleeping Sun is a nearly unbeatable trio.

The one thing that disappointed me is that they didn't talk at all between songs. I know it's probably awkward doing these shows with no audience (there were times when it didn't seem like Floor quite knew what to do, and it took a while and an Emppu for the band to start moving around and interacting with each other). But I would have liked them to at least introduce the new bassist. If you watched this thing and you didn't know the history of the band, you'd think he'd always been there.

Edit: One other thing I realized: When I first became a fan of the band, the newest album was Imaginaerum, which turns 10 this year. Only two full members of the Imaginaerum lineup are still in the band. Two and a half if you count Troy, who guested on half of the songs on that album. Anette, Marco, Jukka—all gone. Just Tuomas and Emppu remain.

1. Cool review  :tup

2.  :metal to the bold part

3. Ohh! When I first became a fan of the band, the newest album was Wishmaster- 21 years!  :eek
And only Tuomas and Emppu are still in the band. Tarja, Sami, Jukka—all gone.  :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dedalus on May 29, 2021, 11:06:57 PM
Marco's leaving has definitely left a hole in the mix.  I'm leaning towards them finding,if possible, someone who can handle Marco's parts and play Bass. 

It is possible. The point is whether Tuomas / Nightwish wants this.
This is the band that replaced Tarja with Anette. So....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2021, 12:12:40 AM
I mentioned it in my longer post, but to put it in snappier form, I think a good middle-ground might be to bring a male singer along on tour only to sing some of Marco's parts on the old songs. Kamelot does something like this where they bring one or two singers as tour guests to sing the female vocal parts and do the growls. The advantage of that is you don't have to add someone new to the creative process if you don't want to, you can switch out who you use from tour to tour based on mutual convenience, and there's no pressure to give them a role in the band or have them perform on every song.


1. Cool review  :tup

2.  :metal to the bold part

3. Ohh! When I first became a fan of the band, the newest album was Wishmaster- 21 years!  :eek
And only Tuomas and Emppu are still in the band. Tarja, Sami, Jukka—all gone.  :)

Thanks! It's interesting how it's gotten to the point where Tuomas and Emppu are the only constants. Hopefully they both stick around!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 30, 2021, 12:18:48 AM
Jukka can sing back up and he can growl, again whether Toumas wants him to is another matter.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2021, 12:22:16 AM
That's good to know! The other interesting part of the conversation is what exactly Jukka's status in the band is. He's being described as the "session bass player," which I take to mean he is not a full, permanent member of the band. My guess is this is something like Floor's status during the Imaginaerum tour, where she was considered a temporary replacement for a while as she and the band figured out whether the relationship was working before she was promoted to full member. It may be that Tuomas wants Jukka to focus on bass only during this trial period, and if he ends up becoming a full member things may change vis-a-vis singing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 30, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
I'm a little bummed.  I went to watch a couple songs from the friday show before it hits the 48hr mark in 3 hours.  When I hit watch the friday show I get Saturdays :(  Oh well... guess it's youtube.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 30, 2021, 09:36:40 AM
I'm a little bummed.  I went to watch a couple songs from the friday show before it hits the 48hr mark in 3 hours.  When I hit watch the friday show I get Saturdays :(  Oh well... guess it's youtube.

I'm guessing it meant European time. Or whoever time zone they're in.

I got to watch some of it. And it looked great. I thought it did what it was supposed to be. A great background for the band to play behind. I love how it's not too busy either and how the band actually looks like they're playing that place.

I was looking forward to hearing Marco do Tribal, but Floor and Troy did just fine.

Man though, you can hear how those 3 part harmonies on Harvest were missing that Marco sound
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2021, 09:39:55 AM
Apparently the first stream had 150k viewers, thats wild.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 30, 2021, 09:41:17 AM
Apparently the first stream had 150k viewers, thats wild.
That's awesome! 




I'm guessing it meant European time. Or whoever time zone they're in.

I got to watch some of it. And it looked great. I thought it did what it was supposed to be. A great background for the band to play behind. I love how it's not too busy either and how the band actually looks like they're playing that place.

I was looking forward to hearing Marco do Tribal, but Floor and Troy did just fine.

Man though, you can hear how those 3 part harmonies on Harvest were missing that Marco sound
Maybe, but I watched it starting live, and it's only 45 hours later.  Oh well.  I'm sure I will get to see it again :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 31, 2021, 08:04:03 AM
Unfortunately my weekend did not allow for me to catch the stream. Will buy the video in a heartbeat if they release it in a different manner. Still have tickets for their Ziggodome (Netherlands) show though, so if all keeps going well, I am seeing them at the end of this year  ;D

And it is great to hear the streams did well.


On a sidenote, I really hope they deal Floor made with Henk still stands, where they do the Nightwish version of Phantom of the Opera in Ziggodome with Nightwish. I saw both of them doing that song at Floor's tour just prior to covid hit and it was awesome. Seeing it in a full Nightwish production would be amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 08, 2021, 03:50:13 PM
I actually didn't know Toumas was in a Black Metal band back in the day. Apparently some new material is coming. He recruited Kai Hahto to join as session drummer. This sounds interesting to me.

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Finnish cult black/epic metallers DARKWOODS MY BETROTHED, who feature in their ranks NIGHTWISH keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen, have inked a worldwide deal with Napalm Records. The band's new album, "Angel Of Carnage Unleashed", will be DARKWOODS MY BETHROTHED's first collection of new songs since the release of "Witch-Hunts", which came out more than two decades ago.

DARKWOODS MY BETROTHED is:

Pasi Kankkunen - vocals, guitar
Jouni Mikkonen - guitar
Teemu Kautonen - bass, backing vocals
Tuomas Holopainen - keyboards
Kai Hahto - drums (session)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2021, 04:25:41 PM
I read about this recently in an interview with Toumas.  I wasnt aware either and I'm not sure I'm interested in black metal personally.  BUt also he mentioned he's just a band member, he doesn't write the music.  So if you like his writing, I'm not sure this will be interesting unless you enjoy the black metal genre.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
I read about this recently in an interview with Toumas.  I wasnt aware either and I'm not sure I'm interested in black metal personally.  BUt also he mentioned he's just a band member, he doesn't write the music. So if you like his writing, I'm not sure this will be interesting unless you enjoy the black metal genre.


This is hilariously related to that "One Person Band" thread.... :lol

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2021, 11:46:34 PM
BUt also he mentioned he's just a band member, he doesn't write the music.  So if you like his writing, I'm not sure this will be interesting unless you enjoy the black metal genre.
But then Nightwish just posted this on Facebook:

"In August last year, Tuomas rejoined forces with Darkwoods My Betrothed, a black/epic metal band from his teenage years. While he was a session keyboardist on the first three albums 1995-1998, the guys judged a probationary period of 25 years to be sufficient and finally approved his full membership for the upcoming album."

Nice bit of humour to it but does suggest he might be a little more fully involved now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2021, 07:43:18 AM
BUt also he mentioned he's just a band member, he doesn't write the music.  So if you like his writing, I'm not sure this will be interesting unless you enjoy the black metal genre.
But then Nightwish just posted this on Facebook:

"In August last year, Tuomas rejoined forces with Darkwoods My Betrothed, a black/epic metal band from his teenage years. While he was a session keyboardist on the first three albums 1995-1998, the guys judged a probationary period of 25 years to be sufficient and finally approved his full membership for the upcoming album."

Nice bit of humour to it but does suggest he might be a little more fully involved now.

Not from what I'm reading. This doesn't really mean much other than he's considered a full time member. Here's the interview that I was talking about and his comments.

https://www.loudersound.com/features/nightwish-tuomas-holopainen-interview-livestream-marko-new-album (https://www.loudersound.com/features/nightwish-tuomas-holopainen-interview-livestream-marko-new-album)

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Darkwoods My Bethrothed must be different to Nightwish for you because you’re not the focal point – it’s not your band. Do you get to take a back seat and let someone else deal with the pressure?

That’s it. I'm just a member of the band. Back in the 90s I was just a session player – I wasn’t in the photographs. I’m a full-time member now, I'm included in the band shots and the arrangement process, but I’m still not doing any songs or lyrics.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 09, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
BUt also he mentioned he's just a band member, he doesn't write the music.  So if you like his writing, I'm not sure this will be interesting unless you enjoy the black metal genre.
But then Nightwish just posted this on Facebook:

"In August last year, Tuomas rejoined forces with Darkwoods My Betrothed, a black/epic metal band from his teenage years. While he was a session keyboardist on the first three albums 1995-1998, the guys judged a probationary period of 25 years to be sufficient and finally approved his full membership for the upcoming album."

Nice bit of humour to it but does suggest he might be a little more fully involved now.

Not from what I'm reading. This doesn't really mean much other than he's considered a full time member. Here's the interview that I was talking about and his comments.

https://www.loudersound.com/features/nightwish-tuomas-holopainen-interview-livestream-marko-new-album (https://www.loudersound.com/features/nightwish-tuomas-holopainen-interview-livestream-marko-new-album)

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Darkwoods My Bethrothed must be different to Nightwish for you because you’re not the focal point – it’s not your band. Do you get to take a back seat and let someone else deal with the pressure?

That’s it. I'm just a member of the band. Back in the 90s I was just a session player – I wasn’t in the photographs. I’m a full-time member now, I'm included in the band shots and the arrangement process, but I’m still not doing any songs or lyrics.


All he's there to do is play the keys.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on June 19, 2021, 06:36:38 AM
New song from Auri, album is due in September
Pearl Diving https://youtu.be/jiD_YdKCYTk
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on June 21, 2021, 11:03:15 AM
If anyone is interested new single from Anette:
https://youtu.be/eEbQWMOPBO0
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2021, 09:07:14 AM
Damn, Nightwish just rescheduled their short US leg of the tour until May of 2022... but they have added Beast in Black as the support band which now has me super excited!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 12, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
Damn, Nightwish just rescheduled their short US leg of the tour until May of 2022... but they have added Beast in Black as the support band which now has me super excited!  :metal :metal
I saw the postponement this morning.  I guess I'm not destined to see them till they do a full US tour.  I will be moving to Florida probably in November.   :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2021, 04:22:57 PM
Damn, Nightwish just rescheduled their short US leg of the tour until May of 2022... but they have added Beast in Black as the support band which now has me super excited!  :metal :metal
I saw the postponement this morning.  I guess I'm not destined to see them till they do a full US tour.  I will be moving to Florida probably in November.   :sadpanda:

That sucks, and sadly it seems your concert options wont be the same as they were in LA.  I didn't look because I don't plan to, but I'm assuming you can get a refund?

EDIT:

I just got the email now saying I can request a refund so I'm sure you will get one too.  I will not though. I have two seats in the reserved VIP balcony in NYC for myself and my college roommate who is also extra pumped for Beast in Black as the opener.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 12, 2021, 10:17:22 PM

That sucks, and sadly it seems your concert options wont be the same as they were in LA.  I didn't look because I don't plan to, but I'm assuming you can get a refund?

EDIT:

I just got the email now saying I can request a refund so I'm sure you will get one too.  I will not though. I have two seats in the reserved VIP balcony in NYC for myself and my college roommate who is also extra pumped for Beast in Black as the opener.
Yeah, I requested the refund right before I posted earlier.  Just a missed opportunity :(
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: WildRanger on July 27, 2021, 03:01:08 AM
What's your favorite Tarja-era Nightwish song?

For me it could be The Pharaoh Sails to Orion. It's amazing.

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Post by: 425 on July 27, 2021, 03:06:26 PM
Low-hanging fruit, but Ghost Love Score.

It almost feels weird revisiting the version on Once at this point, because it's just... not the definitive version anymore (sorry Tarja!), but that version is still spectacular and would still be my #1 Nightwish song.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on July 27, 2021, 03:48:37 PM
Phantom of the Opera from the Lowlands show on the Once tour was what made me a fan, so I have a soft spot for that one.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 27, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
Hmmm....

Thats a tough call for me between Sleeping Sun, Gethsemane, The Siren, and Bless The Child.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 27, 2021, 04:50:50 PM
Probably Beauty of the Beast and maybe followed by Ever Dream.

I always liked GLS, but it was really Floor who made me love the song.
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Post by: Adami on July 27, 2021, 05:02:49 PM
Maybe Fantasmic? But so many good options.
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Post by: 425 on July 27, 2021, 08:00:27 PM
Probably Beauty of the Beast and maybe followed by Ever Dream.

I always liked GLS, but it was really Floor who made me love the song.

Beauty of the Beast would be my second choice.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 28, 2021, 01:47:32 AM
Tough to pick only 1, so here is my top 5 of Tarja;
1. Ghost Love Score - this will always by my Tarja song, I saw her perform this at her last show with the band, very emotional
2. The Pharaoh Sails to Orion - incredible performance and her 'scream' towards the end is pure magic
3. Come Cover Me - glorious melodic and Tarja sounds incredible
4. Bless The Child - great opener and love the orchestral bit in the middle
5. 10th Man Down - overlooked classic from 'Over The Hills' EP
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Post by: Polarbear on July 28, 2021, 02:01:13 AM
I personally really dig "Sacrament of Wilderness"!
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Post by: Architeuthis on July 28, 2021, 03:53:31 AM
Hmmm....

Thats a tough call for me between Sleeping Sun, Gethsemane, The Siren, and Bless The Child.
I really like Sleeping Sun.  When Floor performed it live on the VOS bluray,  she took it to a unearthly level!  :omg:
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Post by: 425 on July 28, 2021, 09:55:14 AM
Sleeping Sun is way up there for me, too. If I were to do a top 5, it would be something like:

1. Ghost Love Score
2. Beauty of the Beast
3. Sleeping Sun
4. Bless the Child
5. Ocean Soul
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 28, 2021, 12:52:57 PM
Sleeping Sun is a great song, that originally was not even on the Oceanborn album.
1998 CD and 1999 vinyl pressings didn't have it on the album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 31, 2021, 09:15:31 AM
Just watched some of the youtube clips from last nights show.  They looked awesome.  Just makes me even sadder that they postponed the US shows again.  Did anyone hear WHY they postponed the S.A. and US shows?  Yet they're playing shows now?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 31, 2021, 09:43:45 AM
The US has all sorts of COVID-related travel restrictions still in place. I believe non-US-citizens coming from most European countries are just not allowed to enter the US, with a few exceptions.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 31, 2021, 02:19:23 PM
The US has all sorts of COVID-related travel restrictions still in place. I believe non-US-citizens coming from most European countries are just not allowed to enter the US, with a few exceptions.
Thanks for the clarification.  I didn't realize those restrictions were still in place, makes sense now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 12, 2021, 01:31:35 AM
Anette Olzon's second 'solo' album, 'Strong' was released on Friday.
Pretty good popish metal sound, great vocals of course and modern sounding production.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on September 12, 2021, 10:56:53 AM
It's really apparent now that Anette got the short end of the stick in Nightwish.  Her second solo album and The Dark Element are so much more suited to her voice than Nightwish ever was, and both are better projects than most Nightwish in recent years, despite Floor being a superior vocalist. 
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Post by: Adami on September 12, 2021, 11:02:09 AM
It's really apparent now that Anette got the short end of the stick in Nightwish.  Her second solo album and The Dark Element are so much more suited to her voice than Nightwish ever was, and both are better projects than most Nightwish in recent years, despite Floor being a superior vocalist.

Ehhhhhh. I’ve listened to her singles from those albums and none of them came across as more than pretty typical. The lyrics are really awful. Like actually distracting. And her voice was great on Imaginareium.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 12, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
It's really apparent now that Anette got the short end of the stick in Nightwish.  Her second solo album and The Dark Element are so much more suited to her voice than Nightwish ever was, and both are better projects than most Nightwish in recent years, despite Floor being a superior vocalist.

It was evident by her not allowing the band to even show her in their documentary of the "Showtime, Storytime" dvd/blu-ray. That's when I noticed that something must've happened within the band, and laughed because that forced them to have to dig through the videos and edit them in a way that doesn't even show one hint of Annette.  :lol

Although her solo stuff is more suitable for her voice. It still sounds a bit too much Nightwish-like...



Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 12, 2021, 02:15:24 PM
Anette may have gotten the short end of the stick in Nightwish but I don't think she would have had any kind of stick if she wasn't in Nightwish :corn they treated her like crap and she returned the punches imo, but now she gets to have this second act where people seek her out to write songs for her because she has her own fanbase and name recognition - idk if that singer from Alyson Avenue would have had all that, if you know what I mean.

I like her voice and I root for her success but there's not much substance there, is it?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on September 12, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Both Dark Element albums are really good, much better than the two recent Nightwish albums - but that's because Jani is one of the best songwriters in the genre.  I listeneD to 'Strong' this morning and it's ok, but lacks the melody and class of The Dark Element albums.

On a side note the new Seven Spires album is amazing, again if you like the symphonic/power vibe.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 12, 2021, 04:40:04 PM
Both Dark Element albums are really good, much better than the two recent Nightwish albums - but that's because Jani is one of the best songwriters in the genre.  I listeneD to 'Strong' this morning and it's ok, but lacks the melody and class of The Dark Element albums.
No lie. I don't know if it's just because Jani came out of Sonata so I was predisposed to following him really closely over the years, but to me he has so much charm and authenticity and such a clear point of view (as clear as Tuomas or Tony from Sonata or any other star writers in the Finnish scene you can name) that I'm kind of baffled when people don't see it. Magnus Karlsson is a good career writer of this kind of stuff but with Jani it's more of a calling than a job or career. If Anette freezes the good thing she has with Jani just because he's less available with Insomnium, it will be a mistake, but she's a smart lady and this isn't her day job anyway, so I'm hoping that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2021, 05:18:45 PM
It's really apparent now that Anette got the short end of the stick in Nightwish.  Her second solo album and The Dark Element are so much more suited to her voice than Nightwish ever was, and both are better projects than most Nightwish in recent years, despite Floor being a superior vocalist.

Imaginareum was certainly suited for Annette's voice which was the only album NW did with her with her voice in mind.  She was, IMO, never really a fit for the band even though I really like both of her albums.  I'm glad we have the Dark Element, those two albums are great.  I listened to her singles and thought they were good, but not at the level of the Dark Element. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on September 12, 2021, 06:28:48 PM
Expectations are a major part of it.  I had high hopes for the last two Nightwish albums given the heights Floor was capable of taking them to, so the end result was incredibly disappointing when it was as insipid as it was and she was underused.  By contrast, I had low expectations for Anette's latest album, because even though I haven't heard it, word on the street is that her first one is pretty mediocre, and without Liimatainen writing I wasn't anticipating much.  I was far more into Sonata Arctica than Primal Fear.  So finding Strong to be quite good pretty much blew me away.  I've only heard it a couple times, so I have no idea how it will age, but I've found most of the metal releases this year underwhelming, so it was rather refreshing.  I also think some of the non-singles are better than the singles, and the second half of the album is stronger than the first half, which is unusual. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Zook on September 12, 2021, 07:55:24 PM
Strong was much better on second listen, but it's time her, her song writers, and Jani retire the "Nightwish riff". Hopefully the next Dark Element album doesn't have it, because she and her friends rely too much on it, and just makes them sound like Nightwish wannabes. I enjoy both DE albums more than most Nightwish albums, I just want them and her to be themselves. But yeah, Anette is great. I really enjoy her output. Not so much Allen/Olzon, which sucks because Russell Allen is my favorite singer.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on September 12, 2021, 08:48:33 PM
Both Dark Element albums are really good, much better than the two recent Nightwish albums - but that's because Jani is one of the best songwriters in the genre.  I listeneD to 'Strong' this morning and it's ok, but lacks the melody and class of The Dark Element albums.
No lie. I don't know if it's just because Jani came out of Sonata so I was predisposed to following him really closely over the years, but to me he has so much charm and authenticity and such a clear point of view (as clear as Tuomas or Tony from Sonata or any other star writers in the Finnish scene you can name) that I'm kind of baffled when people don't see it. Magnus Karlsson is a good career writer of this kind of stuff but with Jani it's more of a calling than a job or career. If Anette freezes the good thing she has with Jani just because he's less available with Insomnium, it will be a mistake, but she's a smart lady and this isn't her day job anyway, so I'm hoping that doesn't happen.

I'm pretty sure a third Dark Element album is on its way.  Speaking of Jani I'm still waiting for a third Cain's Offering album!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Dedalus on September 13, 2021, 12:02:54 AM
Curious, I listened to the first TDE only once. I found everything a bit generic, cliché. To be honest, I don't remember anything right now.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on September 13, 2021, 04:13:52 AM
Anette's full time gig is a Registered Nurse (RN) and presently she is studying/training to be a Midwife.
As well as being a full time Mum, bring up her two sons.
Music is sort of her hobby these days.
Why is her new album more a la Nightwish?
She asked her fans what they wanted on insta/FB and they said more symphonic metal style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on September 13, 2021, 06:41:52 AM
Last week I attended the solo show of Floor in Amsterdam, it was very nice, with material from her entire career. It was video recorded so it will have a live release (I recall she said youtube).

To my surprise, the setlist was different than the solo shows prior to covid. They now did a couple of her youtube covers. Setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/floor-jansen/2021/afas-live-amsterdam-netherlands-b8cc912.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/floor-jansen/2021/afas-live-amsterdam-netherlands-b8cc912.html).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2021, 08:32:52 AM
Last week I attended the solo show of Floor in Amsterdam, it was very nice, with material from her entire career. It was video recorded so it will have a live release (I recall she said youtube).

To my surprise, the setlist was different than the solo shows prior to covid. They now did a couple of her youtube covers. Setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/floor-jansen/2021/afas-live-amsterdam-netherlands-b8cc912.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/floor-jansen/2021/afas-live-amsterdam-netherlands-b8cc912.html).

That's pretty cool, nice to see some Northward songs. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on September 13, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
I'm enjoying the new album from Annette.  Nothing wrong with getting more symphonic metal from her!  I wouldn't have even known that Magnus Karlsson wrote the songs - they sound more like The Dark Element than Primal Fear (or the Allen/Olson album).

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 02:50:26 PM
I loved Aleen/Olzen truthfully.  I think that was one of the freshest things Karlsson has done for a long time.  It actually picked up on a couple of slight things that made his Allen/Lande albums so great.

I really liked what I heard from the singles from this album so looking forward to checking it out.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 13, 2021, 03:26:10 PM
I just think it's hilarious, that 9 years later, we're still using the Nightwish thread to discuss Olzon's stuff.   :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on September 13, 2021, 04:57:48 PM
I haven't been back long enough to fully grasp the tenor of this forum, but it seems pretty common here to have ancillary discussion congregate to the bigger threads rather than smaller ones for each little sub-topic.  And Nightwish was/is one of the biggest bands in metal, so being their voice for a few years gives her a stronger tie than other artists.  I doubt most people not heavily into symphonic metal could name all of the vocalists of Xandria or Visions of Atlantis, for example. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2021, 08:04:01 AM
I just think it's hilarious, that 9 years later, we're still using the Nightwish thread to discuss Olzon's stuff.   :lol

You could have started one in those 9 years  :biggrin: I just think such a thread wouldn't get as much traction as discussing here does.  Especially when you consider her work in those 9 years has basically sounded like Nightwish.  Just my thoughts.  I like her music enough to be active it her own thread if it existed.  Not sure about others. 

I probably need to check out her latest album now after reading everyone's positive thoughts here though.  I kind of let it slide, but I'll get to it eventually. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on September 14, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
Maybe time for a general symphonic metal thread!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on September 14, 2021, 08:14:59 PM
I just think it's hilarious, that 9 years later, we're still using the Nightwish thread to discuss Olzon's stuff.   :lol

You could have started one in those 9 years  :biggrin:

I'm not a big enough fan, at all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on September 14, 2021, 08:17:44 PM
I just think it's hilarious, that 9 years later, we're still using the Nightwish thread to discuss Olzon's stuff.   :lol

You could have started one in those 9 years  :biggrin: I just think such a thread wouldn't get as much traction as discussing here does.  Especially when you consider her work in those 9 years has basically sounded like Nightwish.

Considering that even the threads for the biggest non-Nightwish symphonic metal bands (Epica, Within Temptation) don't get much traffic here, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to have a separate thread for Anette-solo.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Skeever on September 30, 2021, 01:42:31 PM
I decided to go through the Nightwish discography recently.
I've heard a number of their albums (mainly, the first I one I ever bought and the one I loved the most in High School - "Once", as well as Dark Passion Play and a few others), but I've never really gone all out and listened to the whole thing.

First up was "Angels Fall First". I've never heard this, and it's quite a bit edgier than I remember them being (like almost pure Power Metal), but not a great album. There are definitely standout moments, but the lyrics are a little rough in places and the male voices need to be properly contextualized to be appreciated. I do think the album starts pretty strong, but lost me toward the end, as it just kind of felt melodically and rhythmically very one dimensional as it went on, there were few moments on the first or second listen where, in the back half of the album, I found myself perking my ears up much at all.

Anyway, that's just the first album, I know it's not considered one of their best. So, onto "Oceanborn"...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on September 30, 2021, 01:46:52 PM
Yeah, the first album isn't that good IMO, but has some signs of potential that would be uncovered later.  Oceanborn is much better IMO
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2021, 01:49:09 PM
I really liked their early ballad work. Angels Fall First and Lapland are beautiful songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2021, 01:59:31 PM
Those are the two I would pick out, too, Adami. I think the big problems on AFF are Tuomas's voice and the production.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2021, 03:21:26 PM
Those are the two I would pick out, too, Adami. I think the big problems on AFF are Tuomas's voice and the production.

Those are definitely at the top of the decently long list.  :rollin
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Skeever on October 04, 2021, 01:13:32 PM
So, Oceanborn. Yeah, this is great.  The main idea of Angels Fall First really feels fully realized here. The folk stuff has been a casualty of the sound fully maturing, but that's OK, because everything else is much more musical. The band really shine - the keyboards are a big standout, and the overall performance feels so much tighter than the last record. Tarja is great - her diction is often quite bad, but it doesn't really matter. And song after song, the album always feels fresh, always goes places that feel new despite staying true to that core power metal type sound. Really love it.

I've heard it on CD before, but this was my first time listening to it more deeply, and I'm glad that I did.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 04, 2021, 01:48:24 PM
Oceanborn is wonderful, and yeah, it's a huge step forward. The first of a few towering peaks in their discography. As you observed, it's one of those rare albums that sticks to a pretty consistent sound while having each song sound fresh, new and interesting.

And is Stargazers an astounding opener, or what?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 04, 2021, 02:10:44 PM
Tarja is great - her diction is often quite bad, but it doesn't really matter.

This is interesting.  I didn't used to think about this as much, but in more recent years it seems to come up more often.  I'm not sure which aspect of diction you're referring to, but it seems that the longer bands are around, the more they try and internationalize (which often just means Americanize) their pronunciation, and sometimes this just homogenizes them with so many other bands.  I kind of like hearing bits of their own native accents coming in, it makes them more unique.  The occasional song or even album in their own language can also be quite intriguing. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Skeever on October 11, 2021, 08:54:10 AM
I agree Litho. My comment about her diction was maybe a little immature. After all, why should English have to sound a certain way?

Anyway, on to Wishmaster. On two listens, I would say it was good, but felt a lot more homogeneous than Oceanborn. Nothing stuck out for the wrong reasons like on the first album, but nothing really stuck out as brilliant aside from a few short passages. Of course I've only listened twice so I'll try not to judge too harshly. It feels more refined than Oceanborn for sure, you can hear it the band further maturing its sound and style, but something of the edge seems to have been lost.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 11, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
I also think Wishmaster is more homogeneous than Oceanborn and definitely the weaker of the two. I know not everyone holds that opinion, though. My opinion on some of the minor songs on Wishmaster (like Come Cover Me and Deep Silent Complete) has improved in recent years, but I still don't think it stands up to its predecessor.

She is My Sin, Dead Boy's Poem and Fantasmic are the top ones here, as far as I'm concerned. And I think Floor really enhances She is My Sin.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 11, 2021, 01:11:03 PM
"Crownless", "She Is My Sin", and "Wanderlust" are easily my favorite songs of theirs, and they're all on WM, so that's my favorite.  "Storytime" too I guess, but I prefer the live version with Floor.  She definitely really works well on "She Is My Sin" live as well.  I suppose I like their power metal side more than their symphonic ballad side, which I prefer from Within Temptation or Delain. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 13, 2021, 03:21:39 AM
The Oslo show is confirmed with Sonata Arctica supporting, am dead and crying
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 13, 2021, 09:15:55 AM
Nightwish are also performing at Knotfest in Finland.  As someone who just saw the local Knotfest in NJ, that would be awesome to see both Slipknot and Nightwish at the same show (although I know they are vastly different styles of metal)

I'm just happy it seems more likely the May US dates are going to happen and with Beast in Black who I've been dying to see live (and am highly anticipating their new album)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 13, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
I also think Wishmaster is more homogeneous than Oceanborn and definitely the weaker of the two. I know not everyone holds that opinion, though. My opinion on some of the minor songs on Wishmaster (like Come Cover Me and Deep Silent Complete) has improved in recent years, but I still don't think it stands up to its predecessor.

Hey, those songs are awesome!

I love Wishmaster. It's a perfect album? hell no, but it's full of a youthful exuberance that showed a young band having fun and forging their way. Lovely record full of great songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on October 13, 2021, 10:57:18 AM
I agree that they're awesome! I call them the "minor" songs not as an evaluation of their quality, but as a measure of how much attention they get. The "major" ones on the album, in my opinion, would be the title track, Dead Boy's Poem, She is My Sin, The Kinslayer, and maybe Fantasmic.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 22, 2021, 03:16:11 PM
Floor posted this statement on Facebook...

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Another show we cannot play. My spot empty once again.

It is harder and harder to bounce back and accept the situation. Harder to trust our governments who set out expectations and make promises no one can keep. That word group immunity disappeared from the lips of the ones leading us through this mess. It’s not a percentage of people that needs to become immune. We all need to be in order to get the situation under control. But what do I know? As a singer? I am, as the vast majority of you reading this, not educated to know what to do. We are all depending on the knowledge of others.

It’s also easy to blame others for things going wrong! And I try really hard to keep my faith in those who work around the clock to fight this pandemic. But in all honesty, that gets harder and harder too.

Every country makes their own truth and for us musicians and all who work with us it’s an impossible and ever changing puzzle we make daily in order to understand what we can and can’t do.

The cancellation of more shows took the air from my lungs and drained me from my energy. And I can’t say I recovered because I don’t know when things really go better again! I feel sad for myself. And I take time to be that….
But my problems are still luxury problems next to the ones the hospitals fase daily. Next to those of people who where in desperate need of a surgery, a treatment or a test of some sort. The problems people will have because they didn’t go to the doctor in time. The undetected cancers, the growing physical and mental problems we haven’t seen yet.

Today I won’t sing with Nightwish in a sold out Ziggo Dome in Amsterdam. Not tomorrow either. By far the most shows of our European tour moved to next year again.

We’re in this together! If we all do our bit we can go back to living! Stay healthy and sane and take good care of yourself and each other ❤️
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
They should have just pushed to do a full US tour and leave Europe for later in 2022.  I just saw Opeth at a packed venue in New York City.  I'm sure they didn't expect the US to be the country most easy to tour in these times though. Sucks, im really excited for the May show in NYC since I'm obsessed with Beast in Black as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 23, 2021, 02:33:55 AM
Tarja is great - her diction is often quite bad, but it doesn't really matter.

This is interesting.  I didn't used to think about this as much, but in more recent years it seems to come up more often.  I'm not sure which aspect of diction you're referring to, but it seems that the longer bands are around, the more they try and internationalize (which often just means Americanize) their pronunciation, and sometimes this just homogenizes them with so many other bands.  I kind of like hearing bits of their own native accents coming in, it makes them more unique.  The occasional song or even album in their own language can also be quite intriguing.

Anette actually annoys me more - her pronunciation of "relics" as "reee-lics" on Turn Loose the Mermaids or "caress" as "cay-ress" on Amaranthe bugs me every time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 23, 2021, 06:28:08 AM
Nightwish have postponed more European dates to next year, including Birmingham and Dublin, with Cardiff seemingly cancelled. Wembley is still on the schedule for now, but I would expect it to be postponed shortly  >:(
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Post by: Evermind on November 23, 2021, 09:03:55 AM
They (understandably) postponed their Moscow show, which was originally scheduled for May 2020, twice. It was finally supposed to happen this September, and it got postponed again, except now there's no date announced at all. It's just postponed without a date. :lol Since it's officially "postponed", not cancelled, there's no opportunity to get a refund for the tickets (that's how it works in Russia right now during Covid). Now, this doesn't affect me much—I'll still go see them when they play—but I know people are suing the agency at this point.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 23, 2021, 10:32:14 AM
They (understandably) postponed their Moscow show, which was originally scheduled for May 2020, twice. It was finally supposed to happen this September, and it got postponed again, except now there's no date announced at all. It's just postponed without a date. :lol Since it's officially "postponed", not cancelled, there's no opportunity to get a refund for the tickets (that's how it works in Russia right now during Covid). Now, this doesn't affect me much—I'll still go see them when they play—but I know people are suing the agency at this point.

I *think* the rule with the US ticketmaster/livenation is that if a new date isn't announced within 60 days, you can get a refund.  That sucks if it's ongoing without that option.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on November 23, 2021, 11:19:19 AM
They (understandably) postponed their Moscow show, which was originally scheduled for May 2020, twice. It was finally supposed to happen this September, and it got postponed again, except now there's no date announced at all. It's just postponed without a date. :lol Since it's officially "postponed", not cancelled, there's no opportunity to get a refund for the tickets (that's how it works in Russia right now during Covid). Now, this doesn't affect me much—I'll still go see them when they play—but I know people are suing the agency at this point.

I *think* the rule with the US ticketmaster/livenation is that if a new date isn't announced within 60 days, you can get a refund.  That sucks if it's ongoing without that option.

I *think* it's half a year here (haven't researched it), but then again, how many times can you postpone even with the new dates? It's been 18 months now and I don't think the gig is happening at least until spring. Marko left the band since I (and I assume many people) bought their tickets. :lol The situation sucks for everyone, but after 18 months and counting I think people should be able to get the refund.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 23, 2021, 01:30:45 PM
Oh definitely they should be able to. That's ubsurd and unfair to hold onto everyone's money. And they are likely earning interest on that cash too.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2021, 05:19:00 AM
Oh definitely they should be able to. That's ubsurd and unfair to hold onto everyone's money. And they are likely earning interest on that cash too.

I sincerely doubt it's the band that has the money.  Wouldn't it be the promoter?  And yeah, they're all (for the most part) sleazy af.
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Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2021, 08:27:01 AM
Oh definitely they should be able to. That's ubsurd and unfair to hold onto everyone's money. And they are likely earning interest on that cash too.

I sincerely doubt it's the band that has the money.  Wouldn't it be the promoter?  And yeah, they're all (for the most part) sleazy af.

Yeah, as I said, the complaints are about the promoting agency, not the band.

Maiden cancelled their 2020 summer gig and it took like 5 months for me to get my money back (and the promoter kept the service fee :lol ) but at least there was that opportunity. They also announced a new Maiden gig in 2022 but yeah, I'm not buying any more tickets that much in advance.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
Oh definitely they should be able to. That's ubsurd and unfair to hold onto everyone's money. And they are likely earning interest on that cash too.

I sincerely doubt it's the band that has the money.  Wouldn't it be the promoter?  And yeah, they're all (for the most part) sleazy af.

Yeah, as I said, the complaints are about the promoting agency, not the band.

Maiden cancelled their 2020 summer gig and it took like 5 months for me to get my money back (and the promoter kept the service fee :lol ) but at least there was that opportunity. They also announced a new Maiden gig in 2022 but yeah, I'm not buying any more tickets that much in advance.

my bad then.  When you referenced "they" I thought you meant the band.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 04, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
... And as suspected the Wembley date has now been pushed back to next year too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 09, 2022, 02:53:17 PM
Has anyone seen a gig on this tour yet? I’m seeing them in Chicago on Thursday and I gotta admit, I’m not as excited about it as I normally am, mainly because of Marco being gone. So I was just wondering how they are without him, because I’m convinced they’ll never be the same.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 09, 2022, 03:05:07 PM
Marco is very hard to replace and all, but I have to say I am disappointed they did not get a good male vocalist alongside a new bass player (or one that can do both). It has been their brand for a long time. I would be dissapointed if Kamelot did not bring any female vocalist with them, for example. And yes I know Troy sings, but he is obviously a very different type of singer.

But I have no doubt it will be an amazing show. Floor can obviously carry a show.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2022, 03:11:33 PM
As I said, I really wish they would have gone the Kamelot way, with reverse genders... accept the fact that after such a long time Marco is de facto irrepleaceable, and bring a different male vocalist each tour. I forgive them for not finding a bassist who's also an accomplished singer, but just give up the male vocals already....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 09, 2022, 03:16:31 PM
Marco is very hard to replace and all, but I have to say I am disappointed they did not get a good male vocalist alongside a new bass player (or one that can do both). It has been their brand for a long time. I would be dissapointed if Kamelot did not bring any female vocalist with them, for example. And yes I know Troy sings, but he is obviously a very different type of singer.

But I have no doubt it will be an amazing show. Floor can obviously carry a show.
Exactly! I’m not angry that Marco quit, we all need to do what’s best for ourselves. I’m angry that Tuomas didn’t get a replacement that can sing Marco’s parts as well as playing them. Then they wouldn’t have to redistribute his vocal parts, and retire certain songs. And like you said, Troy can sing but he’s more of a folk-type of singer, not a metal one.

Just have to wait and see how the show is. Gonna try my best to keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2022, 05:59:31 PM
If you watched their live stream last year, you basically saw what they are doing live now.

Floor can obviously carry a show.

Yup.

I saw them last night in NYC.  Sold out 3k capacity GA venue with a VIP balcony that I had a ticket for.  Got there early to make sure I could be ON the balcony, and we actually got stools and a perfect spot for the concert.  Beast in Black were awesome, but this is not a thread for them. Nightwish were better than I expected.  I guess because I saw the live stream and basically knew the set, I was not expecting it to really blow me away the way it ended up doing live.  Floor is SO good live.  There's really not much comparison to someone doing what she is in metal right now. There were multiple times I turned to my friend and said she is breaking my ears because of how perfect she was. She sung most of Marcos parts.  Troy added vocals as well, but Floor really took the show over besides during Harvest where she took more of a backseat (she literally took a seat on the stage).  If you want to see how good Floor is, check out the ending of Shoemaker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw5thcZf4rI)  :o The touring bassist is fine, he just plays and doesn't really grab attention.  There were definitely moments I missed Marco, but I think Floor is taking over and I'm not sure I can complain about that.  I think their ending was one of which I've never seen live before, basically what they did in the live stream, they left the stage at the end of the Greatest Show on Earth and the Ad Astra music started playing then they all came on stage and just stood and watched as Floor belted out the melodies live over the pumped in music.  It was EPIC. 

What made the concert even better, from my balcony view, after the show was over and people were leaving, I saw Troy's setlist still on the stage and the people below were leaving and no longer looking for stage goodies.  I walked down and to the barrier, asked a guy if I could have the set list and pointed where it was (you couldn't see it from being on the floor) and he pulled it up and immediately a bunch of people yelled to try and get it but the guy respected how I asked for it and saw it first so he gave it to me! After we left, we turned the corner in NYC to where the busses were and it was Troy hanging out with some people!  I told him I had his set list and he signed it  :metal :metal

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSWCbs1X0AAr-Z9?format=jpg&name=large)

If you are curious to see how the show went down, I have a very long video of the show Nightwish & Beast in Black LIVE @ Sold Out Terminal 5 New York City 2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRxlPmNcmss)
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 09, 2022, 07:20:03 PM
Thanks for the info! I didn’t see the live stream shows but I’m sure the show will be good. This will be my 7th Nightwish show. I am definitely looking forward to seeing Floor do the ending to Shoemaker!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2022, 09:26:54 PM
Thanks for the info! I didn’t see the live stream shows but I’m sure the show will be good. This will be my 7th Nightwish show. I am definitely looking forward to seeing Floor do the ending to Shoemaker!

They are on youtube if you want to watch, but here is Planet Hell from the live stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhoAITeNXQc) which was a very Marco song and Floor took over. It's obviously not the same, but it works still.  I'm not sure they need to replace his voice, but I'm sure some songs won't ever get played or played again because of him leaving sadly.  The band will be fine, their live show is still fantastic and you'll enjoy it.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 03:41:31 AM
Thanks for the info! I didn’t see the live stream shows but I’m sure the show will be good. This will be my 7th Nightwish show. I am definitely looking forward to seeing Floor do the ending to Shoemaker!

They are on youtube if you want to watch, but here is Planet Hell from the live stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhoAITeNXQc) which was a very Marco song and Floor took over. It's obviously not the same, but it works still.  I'm not sure they need to replace his voice, but I'm sure some songs won't ever get played or played again because of him leaving sadly.  The band will be fine, their live show is still fantastic and you'll enjoy it.

Oh, for sure!

I don't think they need to replace him, but I do prefer that approach as I think it enhances their act.

We still have our 2020 tickets ready for later this year, hopefully this year will be the year  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2022, 05:10:24 AM
I totally get missing Marko's voice and personality, he's pretty unique really - but that's also why they weren't realistically going to be able to replace him with a bassist who could sing his parts in the same way.

Sure they could try and find a separate singer, but:

1. They don't really need to - Floor is amazing and there are very few songs from their catalogue they wouldn't be able to do (the main one that comes to mind is their cover of Phantom of the Opera, for obvious reasons). That Planet Hell video is great.

2. It would add yet another person to the band and they become a 7-piece, which I don't imagine they'd find desirable from a logistical or financial perspective.

3. What would that singer do for all those songs where Marko didn't have any vocal lines?

4. Even if they went for it, chances are the other singer still wouldn't have the same voice and/or personality, and so it'd still be different and not-quite-the-same.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 05:33:20 AM
I totally get missing Marko's voice and personality, he's pretty unique really - but that's also why they weren't realistically going to be able to replace him with a bassist who could sing his parts in the same way.

Sure they could try and find a separate singer, but:

1. They don't really need to - Floor is amazing and there are very few songs from their catalogue they wouldn't be able to do (the main one that comes to mind is their cover of Phantom of the Opera, for obvious reasons). That Planet Hell video is great.

2. It would add yet another person to the band and they become a 7-piece, which I don't imagine they'd find desirable from a logistical or financial perspective.

3. What would that singer do for all those songs where Marko didn't have any vocal lines?

4. Even if they went for it, chances are the other singer still wouldn't have the same voice and/or personality, and so it'd still be different and not-quite-the-same.

I agree they don't need it (emphasis on the word need), but it does make the difference between all-time great live act or a great live act for me personally. It's an element of Nighwish I always enjoyed/appreciated that is not there anymore. But offcourse it is not essential for a great show by any means.

I disagree with point 2 to some degree. Kamelot has guest singers every show and it adds a lot in my opinion, no need to have another full time band member at all. Or even a consistent session musician, Kamelot has a pool of different singers as well (which included Floor early 2010's). Nightwish is a much, much larger act. Furthermore, I have seen many other artists with guest vocals and/or background singers over the years. It is not realistic for some small artists, but for Nightwish it is in my view.

It will never be someone that is like Marco, he is unique for sure, but Floor is not another Tarja either, it doesn't have to be the same for me. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2022, 08:58:50 AM
As much as I loved Marco in NW I think we are maybe over stating his importance to the band overall.  Let's not forget Tarja and Annette.  This band just keeps moving on.  Their live show is still top notch (and Troy adds so much to the live show now).  I miss Marco, but this band is not skipping a beat without him. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 10, 2022, 10:23:10 AM
I'm seeing them for the first time this tour, and I would love to see Marko, but I'm still very excited—excited enough to drive six hours for the show.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
Not sure if people are following Floor on youtube, but she has posted many performances lately, including her solo work.

Face Your Demons from the live show I went to last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sg1SVQ_QvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sg1SVQ_QvQ) Most of the setlist can be found on her channel. Amazing performance from Floor. Keep in mind it is not a metal band, so the sound is catered to a different public, the advantage being that her vocals are very clear in the mix in all songs. This is also the band she worked with for her upcoming solo album.

Her new single for said solo album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utz4gFG3HF8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utz4gFG3HF8)


I enjoy most of her recent solo stuff (covers and all), but have to say I am not feeling her songs on the German TV show Sing Meinen Song. I understand German and like the language and all, but the songs all lack something, unlike her Beste Zangers performances.



I'm seeing them for the first time this tour, and I would love to see Marko, but I'm still very excited—excited enough to drive six hours for the show.

I have no doubt it will be worth it! Especially seeing them for the first time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 10, 2022, 01:10:02 PM
Floor's Ghost Love Score is my favorite live piece ever, so it would probably be worth the drive just to see them come out, do that song, and then leave. Everything else will be a bonus.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Cool Chris on May 10, 2022, 10:44:21 PM
I completely forgot Marco left! How long ago was that?

Let's not forget...Annette.

Aw, can't we please?  :)
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Post by: soupytwist on May 11, 2022, 02:11:34 AM
I completely forgot Marco left! How long ago was that?

Let's not forget...Annette.

Aw, can't we please?  :)

Annette is great.  But unfortunately in Nightwish she followed Tarja and was followed by Floor - two of the best.   Her stuff with The Dark Element is really good (IMO better than the Floor nightwish albums), Jani's songwriting suits her style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 11, 2022, 03:32:23 AM
I completely forgot Marco left! How long ago was that?

Let's not forget...Annette.

Aw, can't we please?  :)

Err, No! I much prefer the two Anette albums, which are far superior IMO than the most recent ones with Floor.
Live she wasn't so great on the Tarja songs, but who is except her?
Now with Marco gone I have all but lost interest in them TBH.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 11, 2022, 06:52:14 AM
I felt EFMB was a stunning album, but Human:II:Nature was very disappointing. While I think EFMB is the best of these albums by a long way, on average the 2 Anette albums are stronger than the 2 Floor albums. But Anette's little girl vocals on parts of Imaginaerum still annoy me. I enjoy The Dark Element more than Floor's solo/side stuff too.

I do worry that having delivered a very disappointing album and losing a key band member, this might mark the beginning of the end for Nightwish. I can't quite believe they're playing TGSOE for a 3rd tour running...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2022, 08:03:35 AM
I liked Annette a lot for the Annette stuff (and the Dark Element is awesome) but she couldn't do the back catalog justice.  What's interesting to go back to Planet Hell, the band even released an official version with Annette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNeU88p8Zg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNeU88p8Zg) and you can see she does it a bit differently than Tarja so now with Floor doing it herself, you just have basically another version of the song.  TBH, I love all of them and that's why I rate Nightwish so highly as one of my favorite bands.  I also wonder if that's why they are still doing TGSOE, without Marco, we now have another version of that song with Floor doing it all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on May 11, 2022, 08:16:22 AM
Nightwish has always been a freight-train - you're either on for the ride, or you get off, like Marco, but there is no stopping it.  They said that the Decades tour would be the last time they go backward and play a lot of older songs live, so it's no surprise to me that they continue to play songs like TGSOE and feature newer material.  They've worked around the loss of Marco to find something that they feel works well enough.

I'd prefer another male metal singer vs. having Troy handle certain parts (I Want My Tears Back has much less power to it compared to how Marco sang it), but it is what it is.  I'll take an adjusted Nightwish over no Nightwish any day. 
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Post by: 425 on May 11, 2022, 09:43:02 AM
There's no stopping it so long as Tuomas is in the cab. I don't think there's any chance they keep going if he stops.

On the Anette/Floor albums: I prefer both Anette albums to both Floor albums, partly because I think Tuomas wrote more compelling music when he had a more personal focus (I think of Imaginaerum as merging personal lyrics and fantasy lyrics). But I don't think either Floor album is bad; I warmed up to Human :||: Nature as an interesting album (mainly the first disc) once I got over the fact that it's a very different sort of album.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 11, 2022, 09:52:35 AM
Yeah Anette wasn’t the right fit at all, Floor definitely is. But I agree that the 2 Anette albums are the best ones. DPP will always be my personal favorite.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 11, 2022, 01:55:57 PM
Anette has done some great work with not only The Dark Element, also her 'solo' album's 'Shine' and 'Strong' plus the recently release Ultima Grace project.
The reason I prefer the AO albums over the last two, the material is stronger and much more compelling.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 13, 2022, 09:11:18 AM
Chicago last night was yet another great Nightwish show! Floor is absolute perfection, she can do no wrong. And the band was tight and clear, everyone kicked ass. That being said, Marco’s absence was clearly felt but the band did the best they could possibly do to fill the gap. Their future is definitely secure!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 13, 2022, 10:10:53 AM
For me, it's not just Marcos vocals and personality, it's his bass tone that I also liked. His playing style and tone fit Nightwish and I feel that some of that power he had is now not as impactful.

I will still follow the current Nightwish, but for me, the impact, sound wise lost some of that oomph. And the way Thomas is writing now doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on May 13, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
For me, it's not just Marcos vocals and personality, it's his bass tone that I also liked. His playing style and tone fit Nightwish and I feel that some of that power he had is now not as impactful.

I will still follow the current Nightwish, but for me, the impact, sound wise lost some of that oomph. And the way Thomas is writing now doesn't help either.

Yes this, he played a very 'heavy' bass, his stage presence, plus he had a big input into the song arranging and the demo's that became the full albums.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on May 13, 2022, 03:58:28 PM
Annette worked great in the studio with NW, but honestly every Nightwish live clip I have seen with her wasn't very good. Which is interesting because I saw some youtube uploads of live shows of her recent project and that looked and sounded good. I think she was ultimately a poor fit for Nightwish, but despite of that she is obviously talented. 

I also absolutely enjoy both Floor albums. EFMB was a bit sterile in production but the live versions kick ass. And Human was a bit short but great, the Nature part is pleasing as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 15, 2022, 08:54:26 PM
At the Denver show right now. Beast in Black just played, and I’m waiting for Nightwish.

I wasn’t too familiar with BiB previously. I enjoyed their set for sure, and they were generally pretty good showmen. But I was somewhat taken aback by just how much and how blatantly they used backing tracks. It felt like a lot of vocal lines were piped in that didn’t need to be, including some of the more impressive ones.I also kind of wonder why a band that uses keyboards that heavily wouldn’t have an onstage keyboard player.

I don’t want to be too negative; as I said, I enjoyed their set overall. Just found that one thing surprisingly noticeable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on May 15, 2022, 09:40:06 PM
I also kind of wonder why a band that uses keyboards that heavily wouldn’t have an onstage keyboard player.

Depending upon the type of parts, some of the programming just isn't replicable by hand live even if you're Rudess.  And sometimes there are so many layers going on at once that with only two hands it's not doable either unless you have additional musicians onstage.  Sometimes in those scenarios I'd just rather they rearrange the song.  In bands I've been in where we've done covers I usually just pick the two most significant parts going on and learn to play them together, or come up with something original that fits the song and what everyone else is doing.  But yeah, it does kind of suck to have no one at all visible playing them when it's a regular part of their sound.  There are some bands who've talked about recording their albums such that they can replicate them onstage with their existing personnel.  I hate that because it limits your studio creativity, I'd prefer they be as ambitious as they can be when recording and figure out what to do for live later on. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2022, 09:46:23 PM
I love Beast in Black, but agreed. Their backing track included too much vocals. Still a fun show and otherwise good performance from the live parts.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on May 15, 2022, 11:48:47 PM
Too much vocals and sometimes I questioned the selection of which parts to do live, when there were cases where you’d clearly need a backing track to do both. But I agree that their show was overall good, and increased my likelihood of checking out one of their albums, which I suppose means they achieved their goal as an opening band.

Interesting point about the keyboards, Litho. Personally, I’d most prefer to have a keyboardist who does what he can live, and no backing track, but I could also imagine having someone play the main melody and using backing tracks for the rest. But I understand that there are difficulties either way.

Nightwish was awesome; it was great to finally see them. I’m still processing having heard Ghost Love Score live. I couldn’t stop smiling all through the first half. And I think up to the moment when Floor actually did the final note, I kept expecting something to somehow stop it from happening—but, of course, she did it perfectly as usual. I’m not a big concert goer (I’ve probably been to less than a dozen ticketed shows), but that’s probably the highlight of my concert-going life.

I have never been fully convinced by Greatest Show on Earth as the big closer, especially since I think it’s well below GLS as a song. Having seen it live, I’m finally won over. It’s perfect for that place in the show, and even though GLS is the better song, the order is correct. This was my second-favorite song of the night.

And an unexpected highlight: How’s the Heart. It’s a song I liked but didn’t love, but the stripped-back arrangement, Floor’s introduction inviting the audience to think of important people in their lives (which imbued it with personal meaning for me, and probably for many others), and Floor’s belts on the final chorus won me over and made it a better experience than songs I enjoy more.

Other highlights: 7 Days to the Wolves, Dark Chest of Wonders and Shoemaker.

Overall, I thought the Human Nature stuff came off well live. I think my opinion of everything but Harvest improved (and I already liked Harvest).

IMO, Troy has settled into his role as the #2 singer. He had more power tonight than on the livestream, and carried off some Marko parts better than I would have expected (prime example: 7 Days to the Wolves chorus). I only really felt Marko’s absence, vocally, on Ever Dream, where Floor just feels a bit overtaxed doing both parts, and I Want My Tears Back, where the second chorus sounds off being the weaker one. I think it would be interesting to experiment with switching the choruses, so that Troy sings Dear Alice and Floor sings Sleepless Nights. I’m sure it would take some rearranging, but it would recreate the effect of the original, where Marko is much more powerful than Annette. But overall, I think the band is well-suited to continue without adding a male singer, because Floor and Troy between them can cover most of what’s needed. I am sad that we will probably never get The Islander or While Your Lips Are Still Red again, and Endlessness at all. But all things considered, it’s not the worst thing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: countoftuscany42 on May 20, 2022, 12:55:23 PM
is anyone going to either LA show this weekend?  would love to be on the floor for either show but am trying to be thrifty right now, so keeping an eye on stub hub and resale tickets.  not the end of the world if i don't see them this tour, but i never know how often they'll be back in the US and they're always incredible live
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 20, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Yeah, I'm heading to the LA show today.  Decided to get a Mezz seat when Live Nation was offering for $25.00 total.  Pretty excited.  Decided to brief myself with some of the songs they have been playing this tour and the live versions on Spotify sounds pretty killer, so this should bold well for today.
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Post by: ErHaO on June 17, 2022, 01:59:04 PM
Nightwish set at Pinkpop (Dutch festival), which is broadcast at Dutch television every year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7ukkh9Qhw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7ukkh9Qhw)

This video likely won't last long, most Pinkpop recordings are removed from yt eventually.

And yeah, they sound great  ;D
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Post by: The Curious Orange on June 17, 2022, 03:26:49 PM
That was great, thanks for sharing! Has to be said, that's the first time I've seen footage of them and thought Floor was too good for the band...
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on June 17, 2022, 06:28:00 PM
You weren't impressed with the '13 Wacken show?  Her renditions of favorites like "Storytime" and "She Is My Sin" blew me away.  I was already a big fan from her work with Star One, After Forever and such, but to me that's an all-time iconic performance. 
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Post by: Architeuthis on June 18, 2022, 07:29:59 AM
Nightwish set at Pinkpop (Dutch festival), which is broadcast at Dutch television every year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7ukkh9Qhw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7ukkh9Qhw)

This video likely won't last long, most Pinkpop recordings are removed from yt eventually.

And yeah, they sound great  ;D
Dang, that is awesome!  I was only going to watch one song and I ended up watching the whole thing.   :metal
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Post by: The Curious Orange on June 20, 2022, 09:29:39 AM
You weren't impressed with the '13 Wacken show?  Her renditions of favorites like "Storytime" and "She Is My Sin" blew me away.  I was already a big fan from her work with Star One, After Forever and such, but to me that's an all-time iconic performance.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the gulf between the band and the singer seems to have widened. They're not the same band they were, and frankly, these days Floor's too good for them. Tuomas just isn't writing songs to showcase what she can do. I can see her leaving for a solo career after this tour cycle.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2022, 09:45:40 AM
You weren't impressed with the '13 Wacken show?  Her renditions of favorites like "Storytime" and "She Is My Sin" blew me away.  I was already a big fan from her work with Star One, After Forever and such, but to me that's an all-time iconic performance.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the gulf between the band and the singer seems to have widened. They're not the same band they were, and frankly, these days Floor's too good for them. Tuomas just isn't writing songs to showcase what she can do. I can see her leaving for a solo career after this tour cycle.

She stated multiple times recently that she will not be leaving Nightwish and she can handle both her solo and Nightwish.  Nightwish tends to go on long breaks between albums/tours so it makes sense to me that she can do both. 

Also, I don't agree one it that she's too good for them. 
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Post by: ErHaO on June 20, 2022, 10:13:52 AM
Some context to the Pinkpop festival is that it is a non-metal festival with a varied audience. There are always some metal artists, notably also Metallica this year. But Nightwish had a a regular slot of an hour before the headliners, which is a big difference to the usual festivals they play at. At their normal concerts there is a bit more focus at the other members here and there. I will say that I really think Marko brought more balance to the band, by taking the center every now and then. And as fantastic as Floor sounds, in some moments the shift to a piece that was clearly written for a different range doesn't flow as well as having someone else sing it.

As for her solo stuff, you can actually compare because on the same day she had a solo set at Pinkpop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7bnlzNBQ_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7bnlzNBQ_A)

It is good (though some mistakes here and there and some out of key moments), but I prefer the Nightwish set a great deal. I really disagree Nightwish does not use Floor well enough. A lot of songs fit in her range very well and she has made most of the songs her own. I listen to Nightwish live much more than any of their studio albums part because of it. And song from the latest two albums are a blast live. I saw her solo show two times. The first time was really amazing, the second time was good (which can be found on her channel), but I preferred the songs she picked for her first solo tour. Her solo work obviously has a different focus.

And I sincerely doubt Floor will quit Nightwish any time soon. She seems to have a blast, like the members and Nightwish is a big stadium band in Europe, maybe one of the biggest metal bands that isn't from the 80's.
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on June 20, 2022, 03:24:41 PM
You weren't impressed with the '13 Wacken show?  Her renditions of favorites like "Storytime" and "She Is My Sin" blew me away.  I was already a big fan from her work with Star One, After Forever and such, but to me that's an all-time iconic performance.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the gulf between the band and the singer seems to have widened. They're not the same band they were, and frankly, these days Floor's too good for them. Tuomas just isn't writing songs to showcase what she can do. I can see her leaving for a solo career after this tour cycle.

Ok, I can certainly agree on that.  I thought at first you meant that Floor was only finally starting to stand out now.  Yeah, I don't think the albums with her have utilized her talents very well.  Wishmaster was their peak, and they've kind of gradually slide down in quality for me since then, and I just haven't found Tuomas' writing compelling in awhile.  There are numerous lesser known symphonic metal bands I prefer over their newer releases.  Floor sounded much better in After Forever, Revamp, Star One, and Ayreon, though she still brings it live on Nightwish's older material. 
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Post by: Grappler on June 20, 2022, 03:52:13 PM
Who says that Floor would even want to sing in an operatic style anymore?  Just because she can do it, doesn't mean she has to do it just for us....look at her new solo songs, which are much more pop oriented.

She seemed quite happy with the singing on the last two albums, and even adjusted songs like She is My Sin to feature more powerful vocals vs copying Tarja. 
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2022, 05:04:06 PM
I mean, if you watched a live version of Shoemaker, I think you'd see her talents on full display.  I bet the reality is neither her nor the band want to go full on opera style like the past.  They migrated away from that style while Tarja was still in the band.
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Post by: 425 on June 20, 2022, 06:19:19 PM
Yeah, I was going to say, there are passages on the latest album that definitely make full use of her voice, and Shoemaker was exactly what I had in mind. I sometimes wonder if people's expectations are a little bit off when thinking about immensely talented singers like Floor. I don't think it's realistic to expect any songwriter to craft material specifically designed for her to be doing vocal acrobatics all the time. That's making the song serve the singer instead of having the singer serve the song, which I think is the right approach (and is the approach taken by people who pride themselves as songwriters).

To be clear, I think I fall victim to skewed expectations of talented singers myself, but usually I'm able to adjust by asking myself what is reasonable to expect and whether the singer is doing a good job on the songs as they are written.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 20, 2022, 06:37:50 PM
You weren't impressed with the '13 Wacken show?  Her renditions of favorites like "Storytime" and "She Is My Sin" blew me away.  I was already a big fan from her work with Star One, After Forever and such, but to me that's an all-time iconic performance.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the gulf between the band and the singer seems to have widened. They're not the same band they were, and frankly, these days Floor's too good for them. Tuomas just isn't writing songs to showcase what she can do. I can see her leaving for a solo career after this tour cycle.

Ok, I can certainly agree on that.  I thought at first you meant that Floor was only finally starting to stand out now.  Yeah, I don't think the albums with her have utilized her talents very well.  Wishmaster was their peak, and they've kind of gradually slide down in quality for me since then, and I just haven't found Tuomas' writing compelling in awhile. There are numerous lesser known symphonic metal bands I prefer over their newer releases.  Floor sounded much better in After Forever, Revamp, Star One, and Ayreon, though she still brings it live on Nightwish's older material.

I think they peaked at Once, and almost got back with the two albums with Anette, which I play and enjoy far more than the two releases with Floor.
I'd love to know these lesser bands, do elaborate.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on June 20, 2022, 07:37:02 PM
I think their peak era was Century Child through Imaginaerum. Those are my two favorite albums, and then the two in between are my 5th and 3rd favorites, with Oceanborn coming in at #4.

Wishmaster is actually, in my opinion, a lull in the quality of songwriting between two much stronger albums.
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on June 21, 2022, 07:21:02 PM
I'd love to know these lesser bands, do elaborate.

Ad Infinitum, Blackbriar, The Dark Element, Dark Horse White Horse, Edenbridge, Eleine, The Gentle Storm, Imperia, Magnus Karlsson's Heart Healer, Kingfisher Sky, Kowai, Krypteria, Mortal Love, Nemesea, Anette Olzon, Ostura, Phantom Elite, Scardust, Stream of Passion, Unlucky Morpheus, and Visions of Atlantis are the first that come to mind. 

Wishmaster is actually, in my opinion, a lull in the quality of songwriting between two much stronger albums.

Man, even if "Crownless", "She Is My Sin", "Wishmaster", and "Wanderlust" were the only good songs on it it'd be hard to call it a lull for me. 
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Post by: 425 on June 21, 2022, 07:50:44 PM
Crownless and Wanderlust are actually two of the songs that I don't much care for.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on June 21, 2022, 11:30:32 PM
I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion and say that their two albums with Floor have been my favourites of the lot. For my tastes and interests, the band has (broadly speaking) got better and better.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on June 22, 2022, 07:42:20 AM
I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion and say that their two albums with Floor have been my favourites of the lot. For my tastes and interests, the band has (broadly speaking) got better and better.
Agreed!  I also love all the live releases with Floor singing the older songs. She's exactly what this band has been waiting for..  :coolio
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2022, 08:02:54 AM
I'd call Wishmaster the peak of the early era, full of youthful exuberance and enthusiasm. The debut was, well, a debut, Oceanborn I recognize it's good  but I personally like way more Wishmaster, the band was having a lot of fun there, they were young and hungry.

Then they went in pairs I  guess, adopting a style, or a singer, and perfectioning it. Bless the Child was a switch to a more melanchonic atmosphere, and then came the better Once. Then came Annette, with Dark Passion Play a stepping stone for Imaginaerum which is still my favorite Nightwish album. Then came Floor, and again I feel that EFMB was the "safe album with the new singer" and Human || Nature was them getting to know better the singer and going wild with it.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2022, 08:11:03 AM
I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion and say that their two albums with Floor have been my favourites of the lot. For my tastes and interests, the band has (broadly speaking) got better and better.
Agreed!  I also love all the live releases with Floor singing the older songs. She's exactly what this band has been waiting for..  :coolio

I rate EFMB as my favorite NW album.  H2N is pretty good, but did not come to the level of EFMB to me. 

But if we are going to talk about NW's peak, it's probably right now considering thier popularity.

Also, love the last 3 live releases with Floor and Decades is incredible.
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Post by: gazinwales on June 22, 2022, 03:22:05 PM
Marco Hietala has resurfaced with the Northern Kings, playing a festival gig in Finland.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 23, 2022, 06:25:51 AM
I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion and say that their two albums with Floor have been my favourites of the lot. For my tastes and interests, the band has (broadly speaking) got better and better.
For the most part I agree.  I like the 2 Floor albums very much.  I also love Imaginerium and DPP.  What I rarely listen too is the early stuff which is not really my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on June 25, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
Hellfest livestream starting right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIX1Jyb64E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIX1Jyb64E)
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2022, 12:20:53 PM
Thanks for the tip!
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2022, 12:42:56 PM
Damn, Floor is one of the best vocalists in metal right now.

Not women vocalists, just singers period. Top of the top of the class  :metal
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Post by: ErHaO on June 25, 2022, 12:46:28 PM
Damn, Floor is one of the best vocalists in metal right now.

Not women vocalists, just singers period. Top of the top of the class  :metal

Agreed! She is in top form.

And Hellfest streams have been great. Watching it on my tv with stereo set and the production is great. Going to watch Epica after this (already aired) and the Blind Guardian stream will start later tonight  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2022, 12:51:22 PM
Damn, Floor is one of the best vocalists in metal right now.

Not women vocalists, just singers period. Top of the top of the class  :metal

Agreed! She is in top form.

And Hellfest streams have been great. Watching it on my tv with stereo set and the production is great. Going to watch Epica after this (already aired) and the Blind Guardian stream will start later tonight  :metal

Yeah, this festival has been epic for all of us who can't be there.  Ill check out more of the sets tomorrow
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
Love Floor's contagious enthusiasm during I Want My Tears Back!!! that goes beyond her frontwoman duties, I'm 100% sure she's having legit super fun with that song.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2022, 01:03:07 PM
Love Floor's contagious enthusiasm during I Want My Tears Back!!! that goes beyond her frontwoman duties, I'm 100% sure she's having legit super fun with that song.

How can you not?  Song is just pure fun.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 26, 2022, 02:50:46 AM
Marco Hietala has resurfaced with the Northern Kings, playing a festival gig in Finland.
He's played shows with Raskasta Joulua too last year, performed a few songs at the closing of a legendary rock bar in Kuopio just a few months after he left Nightwish, and according to some collaborators' stories on Instagram last year, the second solo album is well under way. Think it's safe to say he only wanted to quit Nightwish in the end :sadpanda:

Loved the Northern Kings videos though, everyone sounds so good. Take the gray hair and some wrinkles away and it's like no time has passed for them at all!
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2022, 02:59:54 AM
Pity for Marco, Floor obviously carries the show but his absence is evident.

The new bassist looks like a session musician, which he basically is. I understand it would be weird if he'd run around like Steve Harris nor I expect him to, he's probably just happy to have gotten such a big gig and he just wants to do his job without coming across as arrogant or in need of attention, but during the live stream I remembered he was even there only when Floor was walking next to him.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 26, 2022, 03:15:20 AM
It's always fun seeing Emppu next to Floor.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2022, 03:22:50 AM
It's always fun seeing Emppu next to Floor.

I have a photo from one of my shows when she almost kneels next to him, and she's still a bit taller  :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 26, 2022, 07:48:05 AM
It's always fun seeing Emppu next to Floor.

I have a photo from one of my shows when she almost kneels next to him, and she's still a bit taller  :lol
:lol Yea she really lives up to being a godess.
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on June 26, 2022, 02:12:53 PM
Tall women in giant heels is always amusing.  Tuomas is 6'2 and Marco 6'3, but in some promo photos 6'0 Floor is towering over them due to them.  I have a cousin who is at least 5'11 and it's such a weird feeling to see her wearing them in person.  I wonder if they factor the potential for endless back issues later in their lives though. 
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Post by: ErHaO on June 26, 2022, 02:58:15 PM
Tall women in giant heels is always amusing.  Tuomas is 6'2 and Marco 6'3, but in some promo photos 6'0 Floor is towering over them due to them.  I have a cousin who is at least 5'11 and it's such a weird feeling to see her wearing them in person.  I wonder if they factor the potential for endless back issues later in their lives though.

I think most women don't wear them enough for it to become a posture problem. But maybe it is different in other countries. And Floor
doesn't seem to use actual high heels when performing (boots with heels, but high heels are in a different ballpark).

Edit: looked up some performance pics and she does use high heels sometimes it seems. Can't imagine that feels good running on stage but what do I know :p
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Post by: Adami on June 26, 2022, 03:04:28 PM
Tall women in giant heels is always amusing.  Tuomas is 6'2 and Marco 6'3, but in some promo photos 6'0 Floor is towering over them due to them.  I have a cousin who is at least 5'11 and it's such a weird feeling to see her wearing them in person.  I wonder if they factor the potential for endless back issues later in their lives though.

I’m quite confident neither of those men are that height. Having met them both.
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Post by: Zook on June 26, 2022, 07:18:54 PM
Tall women in giant heels is always amusing.  Tuomas is 6'2 and Marco 6'3, but in some promo photos 6'0 Floor is towering over them due to them.  I have a cousin who is at least 5'11 and it's such a weird feeling to see her wearing them in person.  I wonder if they factor the potential for endless back issues later in their lives though.

I think most women don't wear them enough for it to become a posture problem. But maybe it is different in other countries. And Floor
doesn't seem to use actual high heels when performing (boots with heels, but high heels are in a different ballpark).

Edit: looked up some performance pics and she does use high heels sometimes it seems. Can't imagine that feels good running on stage but what do I know :p

If Bryce Dallas Howard can outrun a T. Rex in high heels, Floor can perform on stage in them just fine.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on June 27, 2022, 02:28:36 AM
when I saw Tarja I was amazed at her ability to jump up and down all night in 5-inch stilettos without breaking her ankle. Floor has nothing on her in that department...
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Post by: Architeuthis on June 27, 2022, 04:08:50 AM
Tall women in giant heels is always amusing.  Tuomas is 6'2 and Marco 6'3, but in some promo photos 6'0 Floor is towering over them due to them.  I have a cousin who is at least 5'11 and it's such a weird feeling to see her wearing them in person.  I wonder if they factor the potential for endless back issues later in their lives though.

I think most women don't wear them enough for it to become a posture problem. But maybe it is different in other countries. And Floor
doesn't seem to use actual high heels when performing (boots with heels, but high heels are in a different ballpark).

Edit: looked up some performance pics and she does use high heels sometimes it seems. Can't imagine that feels good running on stage but what do I know :p

If Bryce Dallas Howard can outrun a T. Rex in high heels, Floor can perform on stage in them just fine.
Also the Indominous Rex too..  :lol
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on June 27, 2022, 07:05:51 AM
If Bryce Dallas Howard can outrun a T. Rex in high heels, Floor can perform on stage in them just fine.

But you must admit that a T. Rex in high heels runs more slowly and clumsily, making it a bit easier to evade. 
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Post by: Zook on June 27, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
If Bryce Dallas Howard can outrun a T. Rex in high heels, Floor can perform on stage in them just fine.

But you must admit that a T. Rex in high heels runs more slowly and clumsily, making it a bit easier to evade. 

 :facepalm:
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2022, 02:25:18 PM
In case you missed it, the interim bassist Jukka Koskinen is now an official member of Nightwish
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Post by: ErHaO on September 04, 2022, 02:31:41 PM
They got Floor to sing our national anthem for the Formula 1 race today. They adjusted it a bit to suit her.

https://youtu.be/Wsmkq4Rqtp8 (https://youtu.be/Wsmkq4Rqtp8)

As a random fact it is one of the oldest national anthems and the original stems from the 1500's.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on October 26, 2022, 09:56:47 AM
Floor Jansen announced on social media that she is battling breast cancer. All the good vibes to her to beat that  :censored
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Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2022, 10:00:03 AM
Yeah, shit news but the outlook seems good so hopefully all goes well and her story becomes helpful to women to make sure they get themselves checked out.  Here's her post:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ff_UeY1XgAElvo5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 26, 2022, 10:31:05 AM
Wow, that sucks.  Hopefully there are no complications. 
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Post by: ErHaO on October 26, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
Yeah, that sucks, I wish her the best. Thankfully it seems to be a form with a good prognosis.

And her message is great  It got caught with a routine screening, which many young(er) women don't participate in, while it can be a life saving measure (also for other types of cancer, like cervical cancer). In The Netherlands we have free screening programs and I know young persons that turned out to have precursor lesions, likely saving them from severe illness/death later in life.

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Post by: jingle.boy on October 26, 2022, 12:59:43 PM
Dayum. 

Also, as the DTF population ages, get your damned prostate screening done.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2022, 01:56:34 PM
Horrible news but if it had to happen, it's "better" if it happens this way, just like with Bruce Dickinson - caught early during a routine check, and easy to treat.

Also I agree that her message is great and possibly inspiring, one always think it's always the others, no, it can happen to "you", anytime, regardless of age and health. Let's cross fingers and put our faith in the doctors!
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Post by: Samsara on October 26, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Prayers with Floor, and seriously, love with all of you who may be battling cancer.

I lost both my parents to cancer, my mom at a particularly young 58. So any time I see someone come out and say they are taking on that fight, I wish them victory and the very best.

Go kick its ass, Floor.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 26, 2022, 09:06:40 PM
Go kick its ass, Floor.

!!!!!
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Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2022, 10:24:39 PM
Horrible news but if it had to happen, it's "better" if it happens this way, just like with Bruce Dickinson - caught early during a routine check, and easy to treat.

Also I agree that her message is great and possibly inspiring, one always think it's always the others, no, it can happen to "you", anytime, regardless of age and health. Let's cross fingers and put our faith in the doctors!

Yeah, all that. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2022, 10:51:26 AM
Very positive news from Floor:

The tumor removal surgery went well without any surprises. I’m recovering well and should be up and about soon. It will take a few weeks to know what the findings are regarding the tumor and lymph node that will be tested.
I’ll keep you posted.
I want to use this opportunity to thank the medical staff that took care of me. All done with so much care, empathy, and professionalism! I felt completely safe in your capable hands! You all are troopers, and not just in the hospital I went to, but worldwide. Thank you for all you do!!!


Again, best of wishes to this amazing woman and congratulations to the doctors who take care of her and everyone else in the same unfortunate condition  :heart
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Post by: Zook on October 28, 2022, 11:11:10 AM
Great news and great of her to acknowledge the doctors.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 29, 2022, 08:57:35 AM
Wow... hadn't heard about this.  So glad her surgery went well and wish her a full recovery.  I'm 10 years cancer free and like Jingle and others mentioned, get your screenings done!!!  Catching it early is so critical.
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 18, 2022, 01:14:53 PM
Absoutely fantastic news from Floor:

Great news! I am cancer free 🤩 The surgery took everything cancerous out and it hasn’t spread! I’ll get local radiation therapy in February to make sure everything stays out.
I’m getting my energy back after the surgery and feel a huge relief to know it was successful! I’m not back to a 100% but I have no doubt the shows will give me the power push I need to rock with all of you on the upcoming European tour
🤘🏻
Thank you for your amazing support and well wishes Thank you for your amazing support and well wishes 🙏🏻🙏🏻

 :heart
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Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 18, 2022, 02:05:18 PM
That's great to hear.  I wonder about her energy though.  My mother had a similar cancer twice, and she was low on energy for months afterwards.  Granted, Floor's a lot younger, but still.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 18, 2022, 03:15:53 PM
Awesome! :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 18, 2022, 03:30:22 PM
That's great to hear.  I wonder about her energy though.  My mother had a similar cancer twice, and she was low on energy for months afterwards.  Granted, Floor's a lot younger, but still.

Well, I don't think any fan would walk out of a concert upset if she didn't headbang all the time. She already stands at the center with a mic stand quite a lot of time anyway, I won't begrudge her if she'll do it even more and maybe tone down the headbanging. Also, as she said, I'm sure being back on stage will give her a strong boost of energy, her life must have flashed before her eyes when she got the diagnosis, with the terror of not seeing her daughter grow up, knowing that thanks to prevention she "got off easy" and she can presumably live a long and healthy life and also resume her carrer is bound to lift her spirits up, and allow her to endure more the stress of touring!
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Post by: lonestar on November 18, 2022, 09:55:48 PM
Definitely the best news today, I can only imagine how relieved the band and her family are.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on November 22, 2022, 02:28:12 AM
Saw them at Wembley last night. They were excellent as usual, and Floor was in fine voice, but they did only play 90 minutes, which was slightly disappointing. Planet Hell, 7 Days to the Wolves, She is my Sin and Ever Dream all seem to have been dropped from the setlist for some reason, presumably to give Floor a break due to her recent health issues. And yet the dirge that is Harvest remains...

Plus the t-shirts were the same design as the 2018 tour with different dates on the back.

I've not been getting good vibes from NW for some time now, H:N being a very weak album, Marco leaving, the aborted 2021 tour, the somewhat uninspired setlist of this tour, Floor finding a degree of solo success - I do wonder if they aren't nearing the end of the line. The next album better be a belter to erase the stink of H:N, or the band might be in real trouble.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2022, 03:08:33 AM
I will be seeing them on the 6th of December and yesterday I found out they moved them to another venue.

Original venue: on the other side of Milan (South east, I work in the north west zone), either I was meant to take a loooong roundabout bus, or two subways, if not three.

New venue: within walking distance from where I work  :biggrin:

It's not a concert venue, more for fairs and exibithions, so I'm afraid it's gonna suck, but hey, at least I can walk out of work, go straight to a concert, and then take the subway back home.
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Post by: ErHaO on November 28, 2022, 03:27:57 PM
Saw them, awesome show! I live close to the venue and got a very cheap second hand ticket, so went a second time last minute ;D

They recorded the Ziggodome shows in Amsterdam, so expect a live release in the future. Set was mostly the same as the virtual concert. They played from 20:45 to 22:30.

Yes, I miss Marko and have ranted about that on the internet plenty. And yes, the setlist is a bit sameish (doesn't help that the two standard closers are like 25 minutes together). But the thing is, even then this is still a fantastic band and class live act. It was probably the best show I have seen this year (which includes Porcupine Tree, Tool, Transatlantic, Blind Guardian etc. all fantastic live acts).

They were on fire and all looked like they were into it. Floor was amazing. The stage and pyrokinetics were great. And they did Phantom of the Opera, it was great seeing Nightwish do it with Floor (though I have seen Floor perform it twice already).

I did notice some mistakes on the first night, I thought the performance was better the second night. And the sound was greatly superior on the second night, the vocals in particular were crystal clear.

Saw them at Wembley last night. They were excellent as usual, and Floor was in fine voice, but they did only play 90 minutes, which was slightly disappointing. Planet Hell, 7 Days to the Wolves, She is my Sin and Ever Dream all seem to have been dropped from the setlist for some reason, presumably to give Floor a break due to her recent health issues. And yet the dirge that is Harvest remains...

Plus the t-shirts were the same design as the 2018 tour with different dates on the back.

I've not been getting good vibes from NW for some time now, H:N being a very weak album, Marco leaving, the aborted 2021 tour, the somewhat uninspired setlist of this tour, Floor finding a degree of solo success - I do wonder if they aren't nearing the end of the line. The next album better be a belter to erase the stink of H:N, or the band might be in real trouble.

For me Harvest was great actually, I thought it was beautiful. But we also have very different opinions on H:N I feel (Human is great, the Nature part is a good but not something I'd spin frequently).
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Post by: cramx3 on November 29, 2022, 07:56:39 AM
Harvest was a banger live, I love it.  And I was checking setlist.fm to see if they would do two different sets at Ziggo Dome, but I guess not since it was noted (and just stated here) that it was recorded so that does make sense, bang out two nights and get the best footage possible. I'd buy that. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 07, 2022, 02:10:16 AM
Finally saw them yesterday. Beast in Black was opening and they're such a cheesy and joyous band, the love child of Abba and Judas Priest, they stand for everything I dislike in power metal and yet I love them   :lol

Nightwish was great. They moved the show into a place used for fairs and exibithions, never saw a concert there, and I was afraid the place would suck and they wouldn't allow them to use pyros, but luckily I got the full flames and fires. Floor was absolutely amazing, enchanting, divine. She's really one of the best singers in the scene today, and I think we don't need anymore to specify female singers, she's one of the very best, period.

Setlist was the same of the recent dates, I personally don't really love 7 Days to the Wolves and Sahara, and once again I miss out on She is My Sin which I never heard live, but overall I liked the show and I appreciate they played a lot of Human Nature songs. Glad to have heard Shoemaker and Floor being majestic on the ending.

I noticed they really let go of the older albums, after the Decades tour. The oldest album represented in the setlist was Dark Passion Play, no song from the first four albums!

Highlights of the show:

- Every single thing Floor did, basically
- The usual dance-along during I Want My Tears Back
- Shoemaker
- How's the Heart acoustic, even though I missed the ending with Floor and Troy singing alone like in the studio version

The absence of Marko was sorely noticed. After all this time, he was really irreplaceable, as I previously said I still think they should have went the Kamelot way and have a guest male singer for every tour.

Anyway, see you next time Nightwish! and best of luck to Floor, they rescheduled her radiotherapy from February to January, so the asian dates will have to be rescheduled.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2022, 08:12:51 AM
Whoa whoa whoa, Sahara is not part of the normal setlist for this tour. I just looked it up, thats only the 2nd time they've played it since 2016 (the other time was the show previously).  That's a new addition to the set, very cool!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 07, 2022, 09:14:15 AM
So basically I got two rarities (Sahara and 7 Days to the Wolves) and are both songs I don't care for?  :lol

I mean, it's not that I deeply dislike them or I think they suck, I'd just take She is My Sin and Ever Dream in a heartbeat over those two. And many other songs as well. It's not that I was bored through them, I just don't like them that much to the point of going "yaaaaaaaaay!!!!" the moment they start playing them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2022, 09:19:25 AM
I like 7 Days, but similar to She is My Sin and Ever Dream, they've been played a lot so I would rather something different like Sahara personally.  No doubt Ever Dream is a top tier song though for me so hard to argue against it.  I just like how they added something fresh to the set this late into the tour. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Evermind on December 07, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
Whoa whoa whoa, Sahara is not part of the normal setlist for this tour. I just looked it up, thats only the 2nd time they've played it since 2016 (the other time was the show previously).  That's a new addition to the set, very cool!

I was just about to contradict you because I saw Sahara played live fairly recently, the last time I saw Nightwish. Then I realized it was in 2015 for EFMB tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2022, 10:30:18 AM
 :lol :lol it is amazing though, sometimes I think back on concerts like it was just last year and then realize, no that was 2015.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on December 07, 2022, 01:08:17 PM
For those into this kind of thing (probably you Cram  :D), someone filmed the entire Milan show and already uploaded it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv9OuV1Ihb0&t=3016s&ab_channel=FabioVi
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 06, 2023, 07:00:14 AM
Wow, we never talked about Nightwish so far this year? time files!

Anyway, updates:

- Floor Jansen is pregnant with her second child  :heart much love and happiness to her, from the cancer scare to creating a new life  :heart

- Nightwish will release a 12 songs album in 2024... and they will not tour for it. They said the band is doing fine and the choice is personal and not related to Floor's pregnancy or their other side projects. Feels like a weird move,  but evidently there's something going on and this is the best solution for them on a personal / professional level.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2023, 07:38:51 AM
Wow, we never talked about Nightwish so far this year? time files!

Anyway, updates:

- Floor Jansen is pregnant with her second child  :heart much love and happiness to her, from the cancer scare to creating a new life  :heart

- Nightwish will release a 12 songs album in 2024... and they will not tour for it. They said the band is doing fine and the choice is personal and not related to Floor's pregnancy or their other side projects. Feels like a weird move,  but evidently there's something going on and this is the best solution for them on a personal / professional level.


So happy to hear that.  Not the hugest fan - though not NOT a fan, either, if that makes sense - but her post was heartbreaking, and it's great to hear she's moving forward with her - and her family's - lives.  :)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2023, 07:59:10 AM
Wow, we never talked about Nightwish so far this year? time files!

Anyway, updates:

- Floor Jansen is pregnant with her second child  :heart much love and happiness to her, from the cancer scare to creating a new life  :heart

- Nightwish will release a 12 songs album in 2024... and they will not tour for it. They said the band is doing fine and the choice is personal and not related to Floor's pregnancy or their other side projects. Feels like a weird move,  but evidently there's something going on and this is the best solution for them on a personal / professional level.

ugh, this is not good news for the band IMO.  Great news for Floor and her family though.  She's just so likeable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 06, 2023, 08:48:12 AM
Man, idk how that will go down for them. How will they make money?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Deathless on April 06, 2023, 09:22:31 AM
Man, idk how that will go down for them. How will they make money?

Typically when you see things like this, the band is in a safe enough financial situation that they can take time off the road (which frankly, in today's environment is amazing). Or are there any sort of loans or subsidies governments in Europe offer musicians?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 06, 2023, 09:29:14 AM
Wow, we never talked about Nightwish so far this year? time files!

Anyway, updates:

- Floor Jansen is pregnant with her second child  :heart much love and happiness to her, from the cancer scare to creating a new life  :heart

- Nightwish will release a 12 songs album in 2024... and they will not tour for it. They said the band is doing fine and the choice is personal and not related to Floor's pregnancy or their other side projects. Feels like a weird move,  but evidently there's something going on and this is the best solution for them on a personal / professional level.

ugh, this is not good news for the band IMO.  Great news for Floor and her family though.  She's just so likeable.

I don't blame them though. The industry is really messed up now and considering how Tuomas is, it's likely not worth all that stress and mental anguish that does come with touring. And add to that stress when your own fans are talking down about your live shows.

Musicians are also humans with varying mentalities. Not all are gung ho about touring.

But hey, just recording albums is fine. It's been shown it can be done.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 06, 2023, 09:29:33 AM
Saw the tour news, hope this isn't the beginning of the end for the band, I doubt it, but you never know.


Very happy for Floor of course, she's already showing pretty well, curious to see how the pregnancy affects her voice. I know Mayu of Nemophila had some serious vocal issues with her pregnancy, granted she's not half the technical singer that Floor is, but I bet even doing the precise breathing required for Floor level vocals with a kid kicking your diaphragm every five seconds can hamper even the best of them. Mayu also noted that her hormones going all haywire really fucked with her voice, to where the band had to tune down for one livestream they did.

I did see Floor is doing some shows with Anneke.... just damn....
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 06, 2023, 09:39:50 AM
I did see Floor is doing some shows with Anneke.... just damn....

I am so sad I don't live in Europe to see those shows.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2023, 09:45:31 AM
I did see Floor is doing some shows with Anneke.... just damn....

I am so sad I don't live in Europe to see those shows.

Yeah that would be a cool tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 06, 2023, 10:08:39 AM
Not even a Dutch show with them both  :sadpanda:

Anyways, I saw both of them solo and it is well worth seeing them in that setting too.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2023, 11:19:15 AM
I did see Floor is doing some shows with Anneke.... just damn....

I am so sad I don't live in Europe to see those shows.

I'd pay to see that as well.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on April 06, 2023, 11:41:37 AM
I did see Floor is doing some shows with Anneke.... just damn....

I am so sad I don't live in Europe to see those shows.

I'd pay to see that as well.

How much? Cause for the price of a concert ticket, a plane ticket, a hotel room, and 400,000 dollars, I can get you a concert ticket, a plane ticket, and a hotel room.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: lonestar on April 06, 2023, 12:07:20 PM
I did see Floor is doing some shows with Anneke.... just damn....

I am so sad I don't live in Europe to see those shows.

I'd pay to see that as well.

How much? Cause for the price of a concert ticket, a plane ticket, a hotel room, and 400,000 dollars, I can get you a concert ticket, a plane ticket, and a hotel room.

I can do it for 200k...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2023, 08:12:11 PM
Hate to say it, but this band is just pretty much dead to me, and has been for awhile now.  I love that they got Floor in the band, and that first tour where they were touring for Imaginaerum was fantastic.  But I honestly haven't liked much of anything they've written with her.  The idea of a new album doesn't excite me at all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on April 06, 2023, 10:05:35 PM
Unfortunately my opinion is closer to that than I'd like.  Floor is amazing, and has some phenomenal renditions of their earlier material that I prefer to Tarja's and Anette's, but I don't enjoy Tuomas' songwriting nearly as much as early in their career, and feel like he's seriously underutilizing Floor's abilities. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on April 07, 2023, 02:12:29 AM
I have enjoyed all of their recent live releases more than most of their studio material in the past. I pretty much only listen to the live albums and Imaginarium. And I still think they are one of the best live acts out there currently, even with the absence of Marko. Thus is makes me sad they won't tour for the new album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Shadow2222 on April 07, 2023, 05:30:29 AM
I feel differently. Imaginaerum is definitely still the best album they’ve done, but Endless Forms and the newest one are great too. I’m actually not as big now on the older material as I once was. I can do without hearing Ghost Love Score again, for example.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 07, 2023, 07:05:40 AM
I was incredibly underwhelmed by EFMB when it came out, but over time it has grown on me very much and now I’d say it’s a top 3 album from them. But I agree, Floor is underutilized on the 2 albums. Very disappointed by the touring news, but what can you do….hopefully they’ll be back sooner than later.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 07, 2023, 07:22:16 AM
I feel differently. Imaginaerum is definitely still the best album they’ve done, but Endless Forms and the newest one are great too. I’m actually not as big now on the older material as I once was. I can do without hearing Ghost Love Score again, for example.

All the love for Floor but yes, Imaginaerum is my favorite Nightwish album. And I love Human Nature way more than Endless Forms. Looking forward to the next one, but Marko's absence will be sorely felt.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 07, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
I got to finally sit down with Human :II: Nature last night. I listened to the music, looked at the lyrics, and thought about the concept. I now consider it the best Nightwish album.

The Procession is my favorite from the album, I just love how it's paced and how the lyrics describe the procession of Life on Earth. The music really fits the feeling of the words, and it also provokes a sort of inner reflection.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 07, 2023, 01:56:41 PM
They should just call it a day.
Last two albums are easily their poorest and with Marco gone, this could be the end.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2023, 02:18:49 PM
They should just call it a day.
Last two albums are easily their poorest and with Marco gone, this could be the end.

nah, they are more popular now than ever. But if there are issues once again within the band, then maybe I can see the point in calling it over.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on April 10, 2023, 08:22:00 AM
They should just call it a day.
Last two albums are easily their poorest and with Marco gone, this could be the end.

nah, they are more popular now than ever. But if there are issues once again within the band, then maybe I can see the point in calling it over.

I don't follow them terribly closely, but I think Tuomas just needs breaks after strenuous album cycles.  They pushed hard from DPP through Endless Forms and then took a break, which coincided with Floor's first pregnancy.  They did another album, dealt with the pandemic and challenges related to touring, rescheduling tours multiple times, etc.  Maybe they're just taking another break after a few years of stress to see how the touring experience changes in the next year.  It's also coinciding with Floor's second pregnancy now, which is a good time for a break.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 10, 2023, 03:06:02 PM
Indeed, they said that Floor's pregnancy has nothing to do with that, but it's very conveniently that she is pregnant now that touring will end for some time.

But probably it was the other way around - they already discussed as a band the possibility of stopping to (do big) tour(s) for a while, and Floor took the occasion to get a second child (or maybe it was a spur of the moment decision after she survived her health scare, dunno).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 10, 2023, 04:43:24 PM
I don't follow them terribly closely, but I think Tuomas just needs breaks. They did another album, dealt with the pandemic and challenges related to touring, rescheduling tours multiple times, etc.  Maybe they're just taking another break after a few years of stress to see how the touring experience changes in the next year.

This is what I think is the closest to the actual truth of the matter. We(Nightwish fans) should all have an understanding that Tuomas is a really emotional guy, and all that has likely taken a toll on him mentally.

This is just where we are at now with regards to bands and the industry. Musicians are human, and the industry does take a lot of us humans mentally, just watch any interview with a touring band and they will relate how mentally enduring it is just to tour. The payoff is the reactions and the joy experienced by everyone when the music is being played, there's a sense of unity shared by both the band and the audience. That unity is why I love live shows.

The next album seems like it was a set in stone obligation already in plan, yet what happens after was up for debate. As a fan of this band, I hope they take this opportunity to reform themselves as a band with the members they do have. Losing Marco does have a big impact to their sound and how they presented themselves as a band. The live shows being one aspect that had a devastating effect with regards to losing Marco. But also, the band did excellent with what they had to work it and I personally think the live shows came out great.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on April 10, 2023, 11:20:21 PM
Latest two are my favourites, to be honest. I guess TASTES and all.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ZirconBlue on April 11, 2023, 08:53:46 AM
It's my understanding that Jukka can sing, but wasn't asked to when he was just a hired gun for the tour.  Now that he's an actual band member, that could change.  I have no idea what his voice sounds like, though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2023, 09:08:38 AM
It's my understanding that Jukka can sing, but wasn't asked to when he was just a hired gun for the tour.  Now that he's an actual band member, that could change.  I have no idea what his voice sounds like, though.

Yeah, that was my understanding.  He could and likely would, be used in the future for his voice.  But hoenstly, with the recent news, I got to wonder what this guy is thinking for just joining the band and now going on hiatus.  Can't be good for his bottom line I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2023, 09:37:24 AM
Eh, he comes from Wintersun, a band that is taking forever and ever to release the symphonic black metal version of Chinese Democracy (remember how long it took for that?), even doing immediately a world tour upon joining the band and then releasing next year an album must be an improvement for him  :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2023, 09:59:17 AM
Eh, he comes from Wintersun, a band that is taking forever and ever to release the symphonic black metal version of Chinese Democracy (remember how long it took for that?), even doing immediately a world tour upon joining the band and then releasing next year an album must be an improvement for him  :lol

 :lol fair enough
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on April 11, 2023, 01:34:34 PM
It's my understanding that Jukka can sing, but wasn't asked to when he was just a hired gun for the tour.  Now that he's an actual band member, that could change.  I have no idea what his voice sounds like, though.

By singing, it's not much more than a deep growl, that he performed on a couple of Wintersun songs.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 10, 2023, 10:47:23 AM
Although zero of these people are now in Nightwish, I figure this is the best place to put it: It looks like two nights ago Marko joined Tarja onstage for Phantom of the Opera (link (https://youtu.be/tTKYnflWUck))! Strong performance and very cool to see the two of them together again. I like the way they extended the intro to let the excitement build.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2023, 11:01:39 AM
Cool to see them on stage again.  I just saw Tarja perform in NYC a couple weeks ago and looks like the's got a different backing band from the US tour.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 11, 2023, 04:29:42 AM
I love Floor, and I love EFMB but it's certainly the case that she works so much better live than on the albums - I suspect this is because once she's sung the song live a few times she creates nuances that she just hasn't had the time or familiarity with the material to create in the recording sessions. The delay between EFMB and H:N was the first sign that all was not well in the band, the fact the H:N is so damn disappointing the second, and Marco's departure the third. The band lost a ton of money with the pandemic interrupting their tour cycle, and I suspect their reasons for not touring the next album have nothing to do with not needing the money. It's clear that all is not well in the Nightwish camp, hopefully this hiatus will give them the headspace to come back stronger than ever.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on July 11, 2023, 04:42:30 AM
"The delay between EFMB and H:N was the first sign that all was not well in the band"

Wasn't the delay due to the fact that rather than going album tour album tour once again, they preferred to do a greatest hits / rarities tour instead?

And personally, I love Human Nature and I'd daresay I like it more than Endless Forms. Just like it happened with Annette, the first album with the new singer was just testing waters, and the second is more loose and comfortable.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 11, 2023, 06:40:27 AM
I personally love the entire concept behind Human :II: Nature.  Both Noise and Music are among top Nightwish for me.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on July 11, 2023, 06:47:36 AM
Yeah the first disc of Human Nature is the best thing they've done and Floor shines more than on EFMB. The second disc is pretty cool but definitely a bit of a novelty and kind of its own thing (I'm not in any way suggesting it's not really part of the album, I just mean they are two distinct discs that do their own thing).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 11, 2023, 07:05:15 AM

Wasn't the delay due to the fact that rather than going album tour album tour once again, they preferred to do a greatest hits / rarities tour instead?

By all accounts the decision to do the Decades tour came about because Tuomas was suffering from writer's block and didn't have any ideas for a new album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 11, 2023, 07:44:42 AM

Wasn't the delay due to the fact that rather than going album tour album tour once again, they preferred to do a greatest hits / rarities tour instead?

By all accounts the decision to do the Decades tour came about because Tuomas was suffering from writer's block and didn't have any ideas for a new album.

I’m not complaining though. That was by far the best Nightwish tour I’ve seen!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2023, 08:05:20 AM
Sounds like a lot of assumption going on here.... but I do agree that something likely isn't right within the band.  I mean, there's a lot of history of things not being right so even if the band says all is well, it's hard to think otherwise when they are planning a long hiatus.


Wasn't the delay due to the fact that rather than going album tour album tour once again, they preferred to do a greatest hits / rarities tour instead?

By all accounts the decision to do the Decades tour came about because Tuomas was suffering from writer's block and didn't have any ideas for a new album.

I’m not complaining though. That was by far the best Nightwish tour I’ve seen!

Yeah, that show was incredible and her performance on the old stuff was really great.

Also, to go back to my Tarja comment, if anyone cares, she did one Nightwish song on her recent US tour. 

Tarja - Nemo (Nightwish) LIVE @ Gramercy Theater New York City NY 6/17/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_KEp5NJfvw)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 11, 2023, 08:23:07 AM
Sounds like a lot of assumption going on here.... but I do agree that something likely isn't right within the band.  I mean, there's a lot of history of things not being right so even if the band says all is well, it's hard to think otherwise when they are planning a long hiatus.

I also think we don't have enough evidence to know what exactly is going on, but I think people sometimes don't notice the fact that in the last 10 years Nightwish has become even more "Tuomas and friends" than it ever was before. Only two people who were in the band in 2012 are still in it today: Tuomas and Emppu. And it's clear that anyone except those two would be instantly replaced if they decided to leave or even just wanted to take a break that Tuomas didn't want to take. Anette Olzon can certainly attest to that. And even Marko, the secondary creative force in the band, was quickly replaced. Even though Floor has become the face of the band in the last decade and has brought them broader attention, does anyone doubt that if she didn't fit what Tuomas wanted, there would quickly be a new singer?

I'm not saying this by way of bashing Tuomas, by the way. The impression I get is that he can be capricious and difficult to work with, but I don't know that. And Nightwish is certainly not unique in having a band-leader-plus-supporting-cast dynamic. When the band leader is the dominant creative force, I think that can make sense.

I'm saying this by way of suggesting that anything Nightwish does, it does because Tuomas wants it. So instead of wondering if there's interpersonal tension (as I would if, say, DT suddenly and strangely announced a hiatus), I would wonder why Tuomas wants to stop touring. Because if it was a case where he wanted to keep going and others wanted to stop, I think they'd keep going with or without them. (The one x-factor here is Emppu; he's the only one I'm not certain that Tuomas would be happy to replace.)
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on July 11, 2023, 09:49:20 AM
And even Marko, the secondary creative force in the band, was quickly replaced.

Was he? they replaced the bassist, sure. But they lost, aside a creative force, a male lead singer and they didn't replace him. They just made do without the songs that require a strong male lead vocal, or gave those parts to Floor and Troy. I don't consider Marko being fully and completely replaced.

Even though Floor has become the face of the band in the last decade and has brought them broader attention, does anyone doubt that if she didn't fit what Tuomas wanted, there would quickly be a new singer?

Of course if it becomes a do or die situation it's Floor that goes and not Tuomas, but by now getting rid of Floor is a suicide. She's universally accepted and loved in the fanbase, she can do justice to the entire catalogue and by now, with band members going one by one, she's the only one that makes it feel like something resembling a band anymore and not just "Tuomas and whoever wants to work with him".

Nightwish had 3 singers already, they won't survive losing Floor. Of course Tuomas is Nightwish, but also Steve Harris is Iron Maiden and he needs Bruce Dickinson. Tuomas needs Floor, just as Floor needs Nightwish of course. But Tuomas better hold on tight to her.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 11, 2023, 10:05:52 AM
And even Marko, the secondary creative force in the band, was quickly replaced.

Was he? they replaced the bassist, sure. But they lost, aside a creative force, a male lead singer and they didn't replace him. They just made do without the songs that require a strong male lead vocal, or gave those parts to Floor and Troy. I don't consider Marko being fully and completely replaced.

By "replaced," I didn't mean any sort of normative judgment about whether he was adequately replaced. I mean that they quickly hired someone else to play bass, figured out how to deal with the vocal parts, and kept going. There wasn't a pause or hiatus after Marko left, and it doesn't seem from the outside like one was seriously considered.


Even though Floor has become the face of the band in the last decade and has brought them broader attention, does anyone doubt that if she didn't fit what Tuomas wanted, there would quickly be a new singer?

Of course if it becomes a do or die situation it's Floor that goes and not Tuomas, but by now getting rid of Floor is a suicide. She's universally accepted and loved in the fanbase, she can do justice to the entire catalogue and by now, with band members going one by one, she's the only one that makes it feel like something resembling a band anymore and not just "Tuomas and whoever wants to work with her".

Nightwish had 3 singers already, they won't survive losing Floor. Of course Tuomas is Nightwish, but also Steve Harris is Iron Maiden and he needs Bruce Dickinson. Tuomas needs Floor, just as Floor needs Nightwish of course. But Tuomas better hold on tight to her.

I would compare it more to a DT/MP situation. MP was really valuable to DT, he was almost the face of the band to a lot of fans, but when he said he wanted them all to take five years off, there was no question for the rest of them. I'm saying that if Floor came to Tuomas with something like what MP said, and Tuomas really wanted to keep going, I don't think there would be a question what would happen.

I don't think the Iron Maiden comparison works because Bruce was the singer on all their most famous material, on almost all the albums that all but the most die-hard fans care about. And as the singer on all that material, he became almost synonymous with it.  The Bruce equivalent in Nightwish, if one existed, would be Tarja—but Nightwish maintained their success without Tarja far better than Maiden did without Bruce. [Edit to add: And because they've now successfully performed so much of their back catalogue with multiple singers, it's not synonymous with any one of them. When I think of Nemo, I can hear it both with Tarja and Floor, and don't feel that it's synonymous with either of them. Even GLS, which one could argue Floor claimed for her own, is still really good and memorable in Tarja's versions.]

And I think Nightwish would survive losing Floor. Especially if they chose a good replacement, which they'd have every opportunity to do as the biggest band in the subgenre. Yes, they'd lose some of their audience. But as long as the songs were high-quality, which is almost entirely up to Tuomas, they'd keep going.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2023, 10:15:47 AM
And even Marko, the secondary creative force in the band, was quickly replaced.

Was he? they replaced the bassist, sure. But they lost, aside a creative force, a male lead singer and they didn't replace him. They just made do without the songs that require a strong male lead vocal, or gave those parts to Floor and Troy. I don't consider Marko being fully and completely replaced.

By "replaced," I didn't mean any sort of normative judgment about whether he was adequately replaced. I mean that they quickly hired someone else to play bass, figured out how to deal with the vocal parts, and kept going. There wasn't a pause or hiatus after Marko left, and it doesn't seem from the outside like one was seriously considered.

Agreed.  By all intents and purposes, he's been replaced already. Also, remember when he was going to do the online shows and then still backed out?  NW didn't blink.  They had the new guy ready regardless including doing Planet Hell right away.

And I think Nightwish would survive losing Floor. Especially if they chose a good replacement, which they'd have every opportunity to do as the biggest band in the subgenre. Yes, they'd lose some of their audience. But as long as the songs were high-quality, which is almost entirely up to Tuomas, they'd keep going.

I think NW could survive losing Floor, but they'd have to tour and earn it.  I don't think they could both lose Floor AND take the hiatus.  I mean, they could, but I think they'd lose a lot of the fan base with the time and difference. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if something like that ends up happening.  NW are one of my favorite bands and it's very sad to see this hiatus, because it just seems there's a lot of uncertainty.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 11, 2023, 10:24:41 AM
And I think Nightwish would survive losing Floor. Especially if they chose a good replacement, which they'd have every opportunity to do as the biggest band in the subgenre. Yes, they'd lose some of their audience. But as long as the songs were high-quality, which is almost entirely up to Tuomas, they'd keep going.

I think NW could survive losing Floor, but they'd have to tour and earn it.  I don't think they could both lose Floor AND take the hiatus.  I mean, they could, but I think they'd lose a lot of the fan base with the time and difference. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if something like that ends up happening.  NW are one of my favorite bands and it's very sad to see this hiatus, because it just seems there's a lot of uncertainty.

Yes, this is close to how I would put it. I think if Floor left they'd be under pressure to come out fairly quickly with a strong new album and a tour with a singer who could own the material.

On the other hand, as I think about this, I can't avoid thinking about the Tarja->Anette case. I don't want to diss Anette, whom I like and whose performances on DPP and Imaginaerum are meaningful to me. But it was a strange replacement and a downgrade in terms of ability to sing the back catalog... and yet they didn't lose a step in terms of commercial success. I think I attribute that mainly to the strength of the songwriting on Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum. But it's an interesting case.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 11, 2023, 11:12:03 AM
Tuomas has flatout said if Floor ever leaves, the band is done, no exceptions.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 11, 2023, 11:25:20 AM
He said that in the context of saying, essentially, "yeah I said that in the past about Marko but I'm taking it back now." So I'm not exactly taking that as a rock solid statement.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on July 11, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Every band member of a long running and established band says that the next lineup change is the death of the band, only to find out that when it really happens, they can't let go of their life. At a certain point is a way of life, a habit, what you actually are able to do, and it's not easy to let go of that. I'm sure if you'd ask John Petrucci if Dream Theater is done without Myung he'd probably say yes, but I'd "dare" him to face the absolute and certain fact that Myung (or Rudess) wants to leave right now, today, and have him face the harsh reality of Dream Theater being dead. I'm sure he would not be ready to lay it all to rest.

RE: Marko being "replaced", well, I stand by my statement, but when you put it in terms of "they found a bassist, figured out what to do with the vocal parts and moved on" yeah, I can only agree with you.

About Nightwish being done without Floor... of course they would technically survive, people would still show up at concerts, but unless they find the best replacement ever and put out the strongest album ever, I could see them downsize in concerts attendance and importance on the bill of festivals. They could still have a carrer, but it would be the last phase of their carrer and they would go out relatively quietly and not headlining sold out shows and being the biggest name on festivals. Well, let's hope anyway to never find out if I'm right or wrong.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on July 11, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
The only way they could survive losing Floor (are there rumours of her departure?) is Tarja's return.
I know this impossible, but we are talking about the music industry here, where anything goes...
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on July 11, 2023, 02:05:00 PM
They don't have any classic albums with Floor, so I think they could.  There's still a sizeable percentage of their fanbase that is still not over Tarja, and a smaller portion not over Anette.  They could hypothetically poach a Simone Simmons or Adrienne Cowan or Elize Ryd or Melissa Bonny or a less-known vocalist and the fanbase would remain divided, but could certainly warm to them. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 11, 2023, 02:33:21 PM
The only way they could survive losing Floor (are there rumours of her departure?) is Tarja's return.
I know this impossible, but we are talking about the music industry here, where anything goes...

I don't think there are any specific rumors, but there's some speculation that there may be internal disagreement over the touring hiatus (and/or that internal conflicts are part of the reason for the hiatus). People have interpreted some of Floor's interview comments and social media posts as suggesting that she'd rather not take a break. And she's the person in the band (a) whose departure would matter the most and (b) who would have the best chance of sustaining a career in music without Nightwish (assuming, as I think I have grounds to do, that there could be no such thing as Tuomas "leaving" Nightwish).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ErHaO on July 11, 2023, 03:48:36 PM
If they call it quits eventually, I hope for one last tour in the style of Helloween United. Floor, Marko, Tarja, and Anette. I know it is extremely unlikely, but it would be amazing.

I don't think Floor is leaving though.

And I do think the Iron Maiden comparison works to an extent. Nightwish with Floor has been far more popular than they were back in the day. Yes, internet discourse is one thing. But it is a fact that they were filling arenas and headlining massive festivals during the recent Floor era. Maybe the US is different, but Nightwish is really big here and in surrounding countries, and non-metal people know the band.

It is a bit sad that covid came and now the hiatus, as I feel they were still growing a new fanbase.

Furthermore, by online metrics some post Tarja songs are about as popular. Hell, on youtube two Anette songs and one Floor song have the most views. I don't think some of their later material is that far off in popularity to be honest.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on July 11, 2023, 04:23:05 PM
If they call it quits eventually, I hope for one last tour in the style of Helloween United. Floor, Marko, Tarja, and Anette. I know it is extremely unlikely, but it would be amazing.

An even closer comparison would be The Gathering's TG25 show with their former vocalists, but yeah, it's unlikely with Nightwish given the acrimony over Tarja and Anette's exits. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpEm0YZWI8k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpEm0YZWI8k&t=3389s)


Maybe the US is different, but Nightwish is really big here and in surrounding countries, and non-metal people know the band.

Yeah, they're still relatively obscure in the US.  They only hit half a dozen major cities last time they were here. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 11, 2023, 05:36:46 PM
The last couple times I saw them in Chicago, they upgraded the size of the rooms they’re playing. There went from playing small clubs to relatively large halls. Still not arena size though.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 12, 2023, 06:41:47 AM
Only two people who were in the band in 2012 are still in it today: Tuomas and Emppu. And it's clear that anyone except those two would be instantly replaced if they decided to leave or even just wanted to take a break that Tuomas didn't want to take... (The one x-factor here is Emppu; he's the only one I'm not certain that Tuomas would be happy to replace.)

Emppu has been sidelined in the band over recent albums as Troy's role has increased. Troy is certainly doing as much of the guitar work as Emppu, if not more.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2023, 08:10:28 AM
The last couple times I saw them in Chicago, they upgraded the size of the rooms they’re playing. There went from playing small clubs to relatively large halls. Still not arena size though.

Yeah.  NW aren't an arena band in the states, but they aren't an unknown and have been growing in popularity.  The last tour just was very small, but the show in NYC was sold out at a 3K capacity venue.  The first time I saw them they didn't sell out the 2k capacity venue and they toured with Sabaton and Delain opening.  That last NYC show just had Beast in Black opening.  So they are drawing more people and moreso because of themselves than a huge tour package.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 17, 2023, 01:53:52 AM
It could just be that the increasing costs of touring (renting a tour bus has leapt up in price, rigging and equipment hire costs have gone up, flights and hotels have gone up) mean that it's just not worth it. If the band and their promoters feel that the fanbase won't absorb higher ticket prices, then the numbers perhaps just don't add up.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: WardySI on July 17, 2023, 04:35:24 PM
Saw them Down Under supporting Once, wasn't a big venue by any means but the performance and crowd were insane and am grateful to have seen them with that original line-up.

I think in hindsight the firing of Tarja cost them more than thought.  Maybe not in album sales but and after some time getting Floor in was perfect, but do feel they never truly delivered on the momentum off Once.  Understandable but a little disappointing as well if that makes sense!?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on July 17, 2023, 05:00:21 PM
To me their sound was becoming too one-dimensional by then.  Tarja is one of the best at what she does, but there's only so much you can do with it. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 17, 2023, 05:22:16 PM
Saw them Down Under supporting Once, wasn't a big venue by any means but the performance and crowd were insane and am grateful to have seen them with that original line-up.

I think in hindsight the firing of Tarja cost them more than thought.  Maybe not in album sales but and after some time getting Floor in was perfect, but do feel they never truly delivered on the momentum off Once.  Understandable but a little disappointing as well if that makes sense!?

It probably did cost them something in terms of popularity, but I think the two Anette albums are two of their best, and there's material on there that it's hard to picture Tarja singing. From the perspective of my enjoyment of each album, Once -> Dark Passion Play -> Imaginaerum is a continuous ascent.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pappy on July 17, 2023, 07:32:37 PM
Saw them Down Under supporting Once, wasn't a big venue by any means but the performance and crowd were insane and am grateful to have seen them with that original line-up.

I think in hindsight the firing of Tarja cost them more than thought.  Maybe not in album sales but and after some time getting Floor in was perfect, but do feel they never truly delivered on the momentum off Once.  Understandable but a little disappointing as well if that makes sense!?

It probably did cost them something in terms of popularity, but I think the two Anette albums are two of their best, and there's material on there that it's hard to picture Tarja singing. From the perspective of my enjoyment of each album, Once -> Dark Passion Play -> Imaginaerum is a continuous ascent.

Wasn't DPP their highest selling?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 17, 2023, 07:56:33 PM
The albums were not the problem that some fans had with Anette...It was her live performances of the older Tarja type of songs. Those songs are not in her range at all, yet Tuomas chose to include them in the setlist.

Then you had the entire situation during the Imaginarium tour, which led to her demanding the band to not include her or any mention of her in the documentary on Showtime, Storytime.

Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pappy on July 17, 2023, 07:59:57 PM
The albums were not the problem that some fans had with Anette...It was her live performances of the older Tarja type of songs. Those songs are not in her range at all, yet Tuomas chose to include them in the setlist.

Then you had the entire situation during the Imaginarium tour, which led to her demanding the band to not include her or any mention of her in the documentary on Showtime, Storytime.

I got to go to her last show before the infamous one in Utah when she was asked. Would have never known there were issues.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on July 17, 2023, 08:39:19 PM
I saw them twice with Annette and they were awesome both times. Seen them once with Floor and Troy and they took the live show to another level, even though I miss Jukka.

Never got to see them with Tarja due her, at the time, reluctance to tour the US. One of the reasons they fired her if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2023, 05:09:21 AM
Saw them Down Under supporting Once, wasn't a big venue by any means but the performance and crowd were insane and am grateful to have seen them with that original line-up.

I think in hindsight the firing of Tarja cost them more than thought.  Maybe not in album sales but and after some time getting Floor in was perfect, but do feel they never truly delivered on the momentum off Once.  Understandable but a little disappointing as well if that makes sense!?

Well, I can only judge from what their shows are like in Italy - Saw them with Tarja and they filled a rather big venue (saw there Dream Theater in 2002 and Judas Priest with Rob Halford back, to give a sense of the popularity); then with Annette they played a smaller venue, and with Floor they filled a bigger arena, the same Iron Maiden play when they play indoor concerts in Milan. Granted, Iron Maiden sell the place out in two days, but still Nightwish play their same arena and it's not half empty.

At festival they're usually headliners or anyway a big attraction in the bill, so I'd say that whatever they have lost without Tarja, they gained back with Floor. When you play (at least in a country) the same arena Iron Maiden plays and you headline festivals, I'd say you're as big as it can realistically be.

Of course I'm using Europe as a general reference. I've read that in the USA they're not quite there yet.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 18, 2023, 05:28:55 AM
I do wish Floor would stop wearing these Xena Warrior Princess costumes on stage and wear something a little more akin to her normal everyday style.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2023, 07:52:40 AM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on July 18, 2023, 09:00:16 AM
I do wish Floor would stop wearing these Xena Warrior Princess costumes on stage and wear something a little more akin to her normal everyday style.

I believe you are the only person in the world with this line of thought.   :lol
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Pappy on July 18, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
I never got to see them with Tarja but once with Annette, which was wonderful. We all know even with impending band doom they can pull off a great show. Saw them with Floor four times. 3 Times was amazing. One time Marco had bass issues, and stormed off halfway through the third song before coming back out. Rest of the gig felt very much like a car ride after dad yelled at everyone.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2023, 02:18:21 PM
Saw them once with Tarja at a small club in NYC. Their first headlining American show I believe. Great show.

Saw them 2-3 times with Annette. Was good once but the other times they looked tired and largely over it. Saw Floors 3rd maybe show with them and they were on fire. This was before they debuted GSL with floor cause I remember hearing them practice it a bit. Then saw them on the decades tour and they were great again.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2023, 02:27:06 PM
Out of the 63 concerts I saw last year, I rated Nightwish as my favorite. 

I do wish Floor would stop wearing these Xena Warrior Princess costumes on stage and wear something a little more akin to her normal everyday style.

I believe you are the only person in the world with this line of thought.   :lol

Yeah, I think her recent outfits have been amazing.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: 425 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:37 PM
I do wish Floor would stop wearing these Xena Warrior Princess costumes on stage and wear something a little more akin to her normal everyday style.

I believe you are the only person in the world with this line of thought.   :lol

Yes, I love Floor's onstage style. In general, I think it would be cool if the men of metal would stop letting themselves get shown up so badly by the women. I'm not saying I want people coming out in full cosplay, but a little effort beyond "jeans and band t-shirt" would be cool to see more often.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
Well, it depends from band to band and also it's up down to the individual, I guess.

For example, I believe that Steve Harris is just comfortable wearing shorts and a shirt with no sleeves, and he doesn't do that just because it's the singer gets to be over the top with the costumes.

In Nightwish, Tuomas must be more comfortable with simpler clothes, and I believe Floor choses her own outfits as well, I can't imagine a marketing guy sitting with her to pick up clothes.

One band I find jarring is King Diamond. Ok, he's the guy with all the attention, but still seeing a guy with a full face paint surrounded by people in random clothes, including a guitarist with a baseball hat, kinda kills the whole atmosphere on stage. I don't say they should all use the corpse paint but at least fit a bit more with the imaginery of the band and the stage scenery....?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on October 24, 2023, 08:09:29 PM
Not sure where to put this, but Exit Eden is coming out with another new album.  They're a band with a few different female singers doing symphonic metal covers of pop songs.

They have Marco Hietala guesting on their first-ever original song and it's good to see him!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5p917OyAnI
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 01:12:32 AM
Saw the video just yesterday!

Oh, and in Nightwish related news.... Floor became a mother for the second time!!!  :heart
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on October 25, 2023, 08:19:53 AM
Not sure where to put this, but Exit Eden is coming out with another new album.  They're a band with a few different female singers doing symphonic metal covers of pop songs.

They have Marco Hietala guesting on their first-ever original song and it's good to see him!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5p917OyAnI

I saw Amanda Sommerville left the band too.

Saw the video just yesterday!

Oh, and in Nightwish related news.... Floor became a mother for the second time!!!  :heart

Yup, congrats to Floor and Hannes
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 01, 2024, 11:06:59 PM
Album is mixed and mastered.

https://bravewords.com/news/nightwish-our-10th-album-is-now-mixed-and-mastered
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 02, 2024, 05:39:30 AM
I'm very curious about how it will sound.

Given that they won't tour for it, I half expect it to be like disc 2 of Human Nature but with lyrics, Tuomas going all the way with the symphonic folky mystical stuff.

Or maybe they're sitting on the next Nemo and I Want My Tears Back and rob themselves of the chance of hearing the wild crowd reaction in concerts 'cause they're weird that way  ;D
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 02, 2024, 06:07:46 AM
I think in a recent interview Kai Hahto said the album was supposed to be heavier.  Let's hope he's right.  Although I want more of Donockley's uilleann pipes as well, my rediscovery of that sound in the past year has made me appreciate the more recent songs that feature them much more. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on March 09, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
Tarja is on tour with Marco Hietela (special guest) and are performing several old Nightwish songs together.
Great to see them working together again, and Marco hints at a possible future collaboration
https://blabbermouth.net/news/marko-hietala-doesnt-rule-out-starting-new-band-with-tarja-turunen?fbclid=IwAR1LZbCRTf7Oc0vv4Dezc3z5nPwula-obDTK1EN6_4o7wV5UbUt5Zc01qyE
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2024, 07:06:27 PM
Tarja is on tour with Marco Hietela (special guest) and are performing several old Nightwish songs together.
Great to see them working together again, and Marco hints at a possible future collaboration
https://blabbermouth.net/news/marko-hietala-doesnt-rule-out-starting-new-band-with-tarja-turunen?fbclid=IwAR1LZbCRTf7Oc0vv4Dezc3z5nPwula-obDTK1EN6_4o7wV5UbUt5Zc01qyE

Kind of wild to think those two are having fun together after all these years. I thought that Tarja show in NYC last year was pretty good, but adding Marco would have made it incredible.  I thought Marco wanted out of the business, I guess just out of Nightwish. And now Nightwish are the ones who are going on hiatus so maybe it wasn't a bad move to gain momentum somewhere else. I certainly still miss him in NW though.  Just so odd how things unfold over time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 10, 2024, 06:05:56 AM
Yeah, it felt like he was going away "for good", but only one year later he came back so he most likely wanted out of Nightwish.

Good for his mental health, but a pity for Nightwish, since as I probably already said I don't think they really replaced him. Sure, they got a bassist but Marco was basically a second frontman and, no disrespect to him, Troy isn't just that. They just gave up having a strong lead male voice in their shows (and albums as well one has to assume).
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: jingle.boy on March 10, 2024, 08:42:28 AM
Hiatus??  This was posted on 2/29

Quote from: Nightwish FB page
Our 10th album is now mixed and mastered.
Thank you Tero, Mikko & Mika for more than 25 years of shared adventures, music & friendship.
We made it again!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 10, 2024, 08:45:12 AM
Hiatus??  This was posted on 2/29

Quote from: Nightwish FB page
Our 10th album is now mixed and mastered.
Thank you Tero, Mikko & Mika for more than 25 years of shared adventures, music & friendship.
We made it again!

Indeed. But as far as I know, they won’t be touring at all for this album.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2024, 10:21:47 AM
Hiatus??  This was posted on 2/29

Quote from: Nightwish FB page
Our 10th album is now mixed and mastered.
Thank you Tero, Mikko & Mika for more than 25 years of shared adventures, music & friendship.
We made it again!

Indeed. But as far as I know, they won’t be touring at all for this album.

Yeah, their plan apparently has been to make the album and then disappear for a few years.  Kind of crazy if you ask me, but clearly the Nightwish touring life cycle takes a toll on them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 10, 2024, 10:23:31 AM
I wonder if Tuomas has finally managed to procure some kind of film scoring gig. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Luoto on March 10, 2024, 03:02:11 PM
Kind of wild to think those two are having fun together after all these years. I thought that Tarja show in NYC last year was pretty good, but adding Marco would have made it incredible.  I thought Marco wanted out of the business, I guess just out of Nightwish.

Marco actually got diagnosed with ADHD a couple years ago, which made many things make sense according to him. Significant changes like this can also bring a change of heart in some ways.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: countoftuscany42 on March 11, 2024, 05:59:07 PM
Colleague in the concert booking industry i spoke to recently doesn't think they'll tour the US again, at least not extensively.  Just too expensive and not bringing in the money to make the effort worth it. 

Personally I'd be amazed if they never returned to the US, and a short run hitting 5-10 major markets still feels like a lot of effort when there are plenty of fans in other markets who would love the chance to see them, so why not do a larger tour?  Maybe having a few years away will get enough people missing them that they can stage a comeback here, especially if the new album is strong and they have a solid touring package. 

All speculation, who really knows  :\
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: kaos2900 on March 11, 2024, 07:36:01 PM
That would surprise and sadden me. While I understand the break from touring they're also going to lose a bunch of momentum. I was lucky to see them front and center with Sabaton and Delain and it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. Who knows with them.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 11, 2024, 08:56:31 PM
Announced that they just signed a multi-album deal with Nuclear Blast.

Tuomas has a plan, he's just not sharing it with us.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on March 12, 2024, 06:58:06 AM
But those albums are not necessarily new studio albums - they could be compilations, re-issues, etc. We just don't know.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2024, 06:59:56 AM
I wonder if Nightwish are on their way out, but on their own terms.

Make an album, chill for a while, then either do one more album or just a huge farewell tour or something.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2024, 07:04:19 AM
I wonder if Nightwish are on their way out, but on their own terms.

Make an album, chill for a while, then either do one more album or just a huge farewell tour or something.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Also, will they just skip the tour for this album and then do another one before a tour? it feels kinda..... odd, to not say commercially lame, to release an album in 2024 and tour for it in 2026, if not 2027.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ariich on March 12, 2024, 07:28:08 AM
But those albums are not necessarily new studio albums - they could be compilations, re-issues, etc. We just don't know.
While true, I wouldn't have thought they'd have made a big announcement about it in the terms they did if that's all they're planning.

Of course, they might be planning multiple studio albums but end up doing that, which is probably more what you were getting at.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 12, 2024, 08:40:33 AM
Colleague in the concert booking industry i spoke to recently doesn't think they'll tour the US again, at least not extensively.  Just too expensive and not bringing in the money to make the effort worth it. 


If the venues they play in the US are all as small as where I saw them in Charlotte, I can understand why.  That whole building was probably smaller than the stages they perform on in Europe.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2024, 08:46:53 AM
Colleague in the concert booking industry i spoke to recently doesn't think they'll tour the US again, at least not extensively.  Just too expensive and not bringing in the money to make the effort worth it. 


If the venues they play in the US are all as small as where I saw them in Charlotte, I can understand why.  That whole building was probably smaller than the stages they perform on in Europe.

I dont understand how Nightwish touring the US is too expensive but plenty of other bands significantly smaller do it.  Maybe it doesn't make financial sense to only do a handful of shows like their last tour? 

Nightwish play the ~2k capacity venues.  Often the same ones as Dream Theater but last NYC show was in a 3k capacity venue and sold out. Playing that size venue should not make touring a money issue if the tickets are being sold, which they were the last couple times around as far as I could tell.  Even their tour before last tour had a great turnout. 

I do think, for whatever reason, life on the road is a struggle for this band. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 12, 2024, 11:20:51 AM
Colleague in the concert booking industry i spoke to recently doesn't think they'll tour the US again, at least not extensively.  Just too expensive and not bringing in the money to make the effort worth it. 


If the venues they play in the US are all as small as where I saw them in Charlotte, I can understand why.  That whole building was probably smaller than the stages they perform on in Europe.

I dont understand how Nightwish touring the US is too expensive but plenty of other bands significantly smaller do it.  Maybe it doesn't make financial sense to only do a handful of shows like their last tour? 

Nightwish play the ~2k capacity venues.  Often the same ones as Dream Theater but last NYC show was in a 3k capacity venue and sold out. Playing that size venue should not make touring a money issue if the tickets are being sold, which they were the last couple times around as far as I could tell.  Even their tour before last tour had a great turnout. 

I do think, for whatever reason, life on the road is a struggle for this band.


The show I saw was closer to 200 people than 2000, I think.  Maybe an anomaly.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2024, 11:24:09 AM
What show was that?
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Architeuthis on March 12, 2024, 07:52:56 PM
Colleague in the concert booking industry i spoke to recently doesn't think they'll tour the US again, at least not extensively.  Just too expensive and not bringing in the money to make the effort worth it. 


If the venues they play in the US are all as small as where I saw them in Charlotte, I can understand why.  That whole building was probably smaller than the stages they perform on in Europe.


I do think, for whatever reason, life on the road is a struggle for this band.
Especially now that Floor has a family with two kids, one of them a newborn.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 13, 2024, 02:44:17 AM
Floor seems eager to play shows, and she played a show last December. Of course she's gonna take advantage of this downtime to enjoy her newborn child but I wouldn't be surprised at all if she'd play more solo shows this year.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: soupytwist on March 13, 2024, 07:16:31 AM
I haven't really enjoyed either Floor Nightwish album, it's a shame as it should be a perfect match (and live it is).  So another album and no touring is kind off the opposite of what I'd like!
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2024, 08:16:06 AM
Colleague in the concert booking industry i spoke to recently doesn't think they'll tour the US again, at least not extensively.  Just too expensive and not bringing in the money to make the effort worth it. 


If the venues they play in the US are all as small as where I saw them in Charlotte, I can understand why.  That whole building was probably smaller than the stages they perform on in Europe.


I do think, for whatever reason, life on the road is a struggle for this band.
Especially now that Floor has a family with two kids, one of them a newborn.

True.  And considering her husband is about to go on tour, yeah, it definitely plays a role.

Floor seems eager to play shows, and she played a show last December. Of course she's gonna take advantage of this downtime to enjoy her newborn child but I wouldn't be surprised at all if she'd play more solo shows this year.

Yeah, but she hasn't gone too far from her home base right?  My point, she can do those gigs and it's not a huge interrupt to her life like NW touring is. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: The Curious Orange on March 13, 2024, 10:02:18 AM
But those albums are not necessarily new studio albums - they could be compilations, re-issues, etc. We just don't know.
While true, I wouldn't have thought they'd have made a big announcement about it in the terms they did if that's all they're planning.

Of course, they might be planning multiple studio albums but end up doing that, which is probably more what you were getting at.

Splatter Vinyl editions of Once, Imaginaerum and EFMB just announced.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on March 13, 2024, 11:13:56 AM
MARKO HIETALA - Left On Mars (feat. Tarja Turunen)
https://youtu.be/1TgQOj3rwzE?si=4JEKeJ69qLR_AYGY
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: MirrorMask on March 13, 2024, 02:03:39 PM
Seeing them getting along makes me wonder if time heals all wounds (next year it will be 2 decades since Tarja got fired), or if everyone else in Nightwish back then were truly 100% on board with kicking her out suddenly and in such a public way. Maybe some had their doubts but didn't want to risk their place. Maybe some agreed with the general basic idea of Tarja not working out in the long run, but didn't really think that the right way to address it was a letter saying "You're a diva bitch and your husband is an asshole, you're out. PS: we told the entire internet as well".

I remember it was Marko asking them to drop Bye Bye Beautiful from the set making the paragon of "the tongue going against a sore tooth that is no longer there" (AKA: It's done, she's gone, just let it go Tuomas). I think it's safe to say that the letter was 100% of Tuomas' idea and the others just have various degrees of agreement about the need (or not) to let Tarja go, and how to do it.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2024, 02:07:40 PM
Yeah, I kind of lean towards what you are saying as well.  Marko wasn't an original member, only on the two albums before Tarja's removal so he might not have had strong opinions back then and if so, he probably just went with the flow being the new guy at the time.
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 13, 2024, 02:23:20 PM
Nightwish is Tuomas' dictatorship, everyone else is just along for the ride. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: Grappler on March 13, 2024, 07:21:45 PM
I swear I just read something from Marko in one of the massive Blabbermouth dumps where he said that he wished they didn't fire her via a public letter. 
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: gazinwales on March 14, 2024, 12:57:03 AM
I swear I just read something from Marko in one of the massive Blabbermouth dumps where he said that he wished they didn't fire her via a public letter.

I posted the link on the previous page  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Nightwish...
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2024, 11:57:23 AM
I think it's safe to say that the letter was 100% of Tuomas' idea and the others just have various degrees of agreement about the need (or not) to let Tarja go, and how to do it.
I think that's been the assumption of most people since the day it happened.

Hard to believe this is a band where I have gone from feeling like I needed to have everything they put out to just not being interested at all in what they do.