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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Darkes7 on December 06, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
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You might have noticed recently I really got into the band recently. Since my posts regarding them never get any reaction, I thought it means nobody knows them and it's worth starting a thread about them ;)
They're considered basically the "fathers" of gothic metal, but have gone through several phases in their discography (they started as a death/doom metal band, then gothic metal for a long time - the heavy kind of gothic - and then there was a lighter phase, the climax of which was the controversial "Host" album, with heavy Depeche Mode influences... I think you get the picture), recently returning to their gothic metal style, but in a new way. The previous album, In Requiem, was quite well-received and it was also my introduction into the band - I re-discovered it recently and even wrote a review (in the reviews section, if you're interested). Now, they have released a new album, called "Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us", which is one of the most monumental records I've had a chance to hear, and close to my album of the year.
This is a bit of a short introduction, I think there's no point saying more. If you're into quite heavy, darker and more atmospheric metal, you should give a try to the last two albums. Two songs which, I believe, represent them pretty well - both have an official video:
Praise Lamented Shade - from "In Requiem", represents what I'd call their "epic side" - slower, more monumental. I think I don't know anyone who wouldn't like this song. The video is basically a live video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMxZfDacPzg
The Rise of Denial - one of my favourites from "Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us". More straightforward, faster and heavier - but the middle section solo is the definition of Greg Mackintosh's guitar style, and one of the most amazing I've heard. If you're the type for melodic solos like me... I think you're going to like it. The video is quite unusual, I like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHXOWwqwPDo
Well, I think the music will speak better than I can. I still need to discover their earlier discography, so I'm no expert. ;) Give them a try, the band is really worth it.
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Wanting to check them out for a while now. Especially since I've see them compared to early Anathema a couple of times.
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They started at exactly the same time as Anathema and My Dying Bride. All three started as death/doom, but a few years later each one went in a different direction (Anathema became more progressive/atmospheric, My Dying Bride remained doom, Paradise Lost - well, you see above).
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The definitive doom band for me...they're from Yorkshire, they know the score.
Great band, their new album is up there with their very best, and good live too.
Just ignore the dodgy patch they had in the middle!
Nick Holmes (the singer) is a legend as well.
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:symphonyx:?
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The definitive doom band for me...they're from Yorkshire, they know the score.
Great band, their new album is up there with their very best, and good live too.
Just ignore the dodgy patch they had in the middle!
Nick Holmes (the singer) is a legend as well.
Actually I'm getting really curious about the middle era. No Celebration and Say Just Words sounded really great to me live - both when I saw them myself on Wednesday and on the Anatomy of Melancholy live album, I need to check how they sound on the album. So Much is Lost from Host was actually a shock at first, but five minutes after listening I caught myself singing the chorus. :P I've heard many metal fans complain about the middle era, but after I try some of the earlier albums I'm really curious about it. I'm fine with a completely different style as long as it's good enough, and I believe they're a band capable of handling it.
Agreed, excellent vocalist. I've heard people complain about his life performance but he did really well, both on the softer songs and the heavier ones from the new album.
:symphonyx:?
Yep, they're just as good as a decent pizza :biggrin:
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The definitive doom band for me...they're from Yorkshire, they know the score.
Great band, their new album is up there with their very best, and good live too.
Just ignore the dodgy patch they had in the middle!
Nick Holmes (the singer) is a legend as well.
Actually I'm getting really curious about the middle era. No Celebration and Say Just Words sounded really great to me live - both when I saw them myself on Wednesday and on the Anatomy of Melancholy live album, I need to check how they sound on the album. So Much is Lost from Host was actually a shock at first, but five minutes after listening I caught myself singing the chorus. :P I've heard many metal fans complain about the middle era, but after I try some of the earlier albums I'm really curious about it. I'm fine with a completely different style as long as it's good enough, and I believe they're a band capable of handling it.
Agreed, excellent vocalist. I've heard people complain about his life performance but he did really well, both on the softer songs and the heavier ones from the new album.
They came up with some great songs during the 'middle period' but the albums just weren't as consistent.
I meant he was a legend in terms of being a top bloke tbh...I wouldnae say his singing is the band's greatest aspect although it is good enough live
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I drifted during the dodgy patch and never really got back into them. I got into MDB a lot but haven't bought an album for 4-5 years. Anathema I lost after the album with the ghost on the front - got the impression they were just trying to crack the mainstream pop-rock market. Compared to albums like The Silent Enigma and Judgement it didn't seem that epic.
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I drifted during the dodgy patch and never really got back into them. I got into MDB a lot but haven't bought an album for 4-5 years. Anathema I lost after the album with the ghost on the front - got the impression they were just trying to crack the mainstream pop-rock market. Compared to albums like The Silent Enigma and Judgement it didn't seem that epic.
The album with 'the ghost' was before Judgement. If you're talking about the album I think you're talking about :p.
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It also seems to me like the only "ghost" album is Alternative 4.
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I drifted during the dodgy patch and never really got back into them. I got into MDB a lot but haven't bought an album for 4-5 years. Anathema I lost after the album with the ghost on the front - got the impression they were just trying to crack the mainstream pop-rock market. Compared to albums like The Silent Enigma and Judgement it didn't seem that epic.
The album with 'the ghost' was before Judgement. If you're talking about the album I think you're talking about :p.
Sorry I meant Eternity, Judgement was the album I didn't get nor A fine Day to Exit which seemd like pop music from what I heard. Also, I think they started out a bit later than Paradise Lost. Surprised they've only released one album in 6 years.
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I wouldnae describe any of Anathema's music as 'pop', it's alt rock clearly. You wouldnae hear it getting played on the radio...
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I drifted during the dodgy patch and never really got back into them. I got into MDB a lot but haven't bought an album for 4-5 years. Anathema I lost after the album with the ghost on the front - got the impression they were just trying to crack the mainstream pop-rock market. Compared to albums like The Silent Enigma and Judgement it didn't seem that epic.
The album with 'the ghost' was before Judgement. If you're talking about the album I think you're talking about :p.
Sorry I meant Eternity, Judgement was the album I didn't get nor A fine Day to Exit which seemd like pop music from what I heard. Also, I think they started out a bit later than Paradise Lost. Surprised they've only released one album in 6 years.
Judgement and Alternative 4 are amazing albums, my favorites. Not doom metal anymore, but certainly worth checking out.
And indeed, they have to hurry up with a new album...
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Been listening to Anathema's Eternity again and have to say what an amazing album I've found it. The instrumental at the start and Angelica, the Pink Floyd cover for starters. I'm thinking of buying the later albums after all and have another look at them- can't even remember seeing "A Natural Disaster" anywhere.
(https://img13.nnm.ru/5/3/6/a/a/126113df773eedf18de4b6b48e8_prev.jpg)
Great album cover. "Do you think we're forever"
P.S. "Atmospheric rock" (wiki) puts me off though.
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Big Fan, but is was during their middle period that really got me hooked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ORCb1JQ3s
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I've heard some pretty negative opinions about the middle period from some people I know, but looking at the songs they played live and also on the Anatomy of Melancholy live album, it sounds just as interesting as the early period to me. I thought it could be just that it sounds better live, but I searched for the album versions on youtube and they sound equally good.
One Second is a very good song indeed, it was very enjoyable live. :) From the same album Say Just Words was also excellent, though.
Now, I've ended "official" (that is, on vinyl... now I'll listen on PC, I guess) listening of Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us after three weeks I think. I have two other new albums I'm very curious about, and then I want to try Gothic. :)
Been listening to Anathema's Eternity again and have to say what an amazing album I've found it. The instrumental at the start and Angelica, the Pink Floyd cover for starters. I'm thinking of buying the later albums after all and have another look at them- can't even remember seeing "A Natural Disaster" anywhere.
A Natural Disaster can definitely be described as "atmospheric rock" but it's far from being "mainstream" in any way. It's a pretty melancholic album and a very good one, I enjoyed it a lot. And the closing track, Violence, is one of the most incredible instrumental songs I've ever heard.
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I've heard some pretty negative opinions about the middle period from some people I know, but looking at the songs they played live and also on the Anatomy of Melancholy live album, it sounds just as interesting as the early period to me. I thought it could be just that it sounds better live, but I searched for the album versions on youtube and they sound equally good.
One Second is a very good song indeed, it was very enjoyable live. :) From the same album Say Just Words was also excellent, though.
Now, I've ended "official" (that is, on vinyl... now I'll listen on PC, I guess) listening of Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us after three weeks I think. I have two other new albums I'm very curious about, and then I want to try Gothic. :)
Been listening to Anathema's Eternity again and have to say what an amazing album I've found it. The instrumental at the start and Angelica, the Pink Floyd cover for starters. I'm thinking of buying the later albums after all and have another look at them- can't even remember seeing "A Natural Disaster" anywhere.
A Natural Disaster can definitely be described as "atmospheric rock" but it's far from being "mainstream" in any way. It's a pretty melancholic album and a very good one, I enjoyed it a lot. And the closing track, Violence, is one of the most incredible instrumental songs I've ever heard.
The Middle period when they branched out into other forms (electronica/ Depeche Mode vibe) got them alot of newer fans but also alienated alot of the early gloom/gothic fans
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I know, I've noticed that. "Host" seems to be easily the most experimental one, and listening to "So Much is Lost" was indeed a shock at first, but like I wrote above, I caught myself singing the chorus a few minutes later. :lol I generally have a lot of respect for bands who experiment with their style because they want to, and even more if the experiments are good. It seems in their case it's true. And they can combine it pretty well live, I did not feel a huge "wtf?" contrast when they played "Pity The Sadness" from "Shades of God" and then next was "Erased" from "Symbol of Life".
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I've heard some pretty negative opinions about the middle period from some people I know, but looking at the songs they played live and also on the Anatomy of Melancholy live album, it sounds just as interesting as the early period to me. I thought it could be just that it sounds better live, but I searched for the album versions on youtube and they sound equally good.
One Second is a very good song indeed, it was very enjoyable live. :) From the same album Say Just Words was also excellent, though.
Now, I've ended "official" (that is, on vinyl... now I'll listen on PC, I guess) listening of Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us after three weeks I think. I have two other new albums I'm very curious about, and then I want to try Gothic. :)
Been listening to Anathema's Eternity again and have to say what an amazing album I've found it. The instrumental at the start and Angelica, the Pink Floyd cover for starters. I'm thinking of buying the later albums after all and have another look at them- can't even remember seeing "A Natural Disaster" anywhere.
A Natural Disaster can definitely be described as "atmospheric rock" but it's far from being "mainstream" in any way. It's a pretty melancholic album and a very good one, I enjoyed it a lot. And the closing track, Violence, is one of the most incredible instrumental songs I've ever heard.
Have they completely dropped metal now?
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On "A Natural Disaster" there's only one song which I could call metal, called "Pulled Under at 2000 Metres a Second". The others are mostly much lighter. They're recording a new album that will probably released next year, not sure if it will follow this direction or maybe they'll return to heavier playing like Paradise Lost. As long as it's something really new and really good, I'm fine with it. ;)
Though I saw them live in November 2008 and they played songs from their whole discography - some from the last album, and even one ("Sleepless" IIRC) from Serenades. Some of the new songs (e.g. "Closer") also sounded far heavier than on the album. So they might change their style on the albums, but they definitely haven't abandoned metal overall.
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It's good they play their early stuff live but I hope they go back to something heavier. That 2000metres song does sound good with the epic chords more like the Silent Enigma, Eternity sound.
I was really pleased PL returned to metal. God knows what the heck went on that they wanted to turn into Depeche Mode? I could never understand that. Calling their "return" album the same as the first album "Paradise Lost" was pretty clever way of saying this it seemed.
By the way, My Dying Bride had a weird period where they neither did real singing or growling. Check out "The Angel and the Dark River". "The Cry of Mankind" is a great example. Massively epic riff in that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJUUDsfRek
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I've been a PL fan since the 'Icon' days.
For me their best period was the Icon/Draconian Times/One Second period.
I saw them live on the DT tour, and were very good.
Host was originally supposed to be a side project and not a PL album.
There is a very good live dvd bootleg from the Host tour, a festival appearance and
those wimpy electronic songs really come to life onstage with some guitars.
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Yeah the songs from that era really come to life live...if only they'd recorded them like that
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I only know "So Much Is Lost" from Anatomy of Melancholy and it really sounds great. However, the original version also intrigued me...
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I own their album "Draconian Times." Pretty cool stuff. It's been a while since I've given it a thorough listen, though. I've heard some songs off their self-titled album and "Paradise Lost." It's all pretty cool. They're a good band overall. For the record, Candlemass and Solitude Aeturnus are the definitive Doom/Gothic metal bands in my book ;)
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Bump.
I have Icon, Draconian Times, In Requiem and Faith Divides Us, Death Unites Us. All of them are great! :metal
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My... Paradise... Lost... thread... got... resurrected...
[dies happy]
From albums I know I can also recommend Symbol of Life. It's still in the electronic era, but it's quite heavy, and really dark and catchy at the same time. It's just addictive.
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Bump again.
This is old news already but PL are going to play Draconian Times in its entirety on the upcoming tour. Funny how almost every band is playing whole albums live now! :lol PL has probably changed more over the years than any other band I know. I was a bit shocked when I heard So Much Is Lost for the first time! Funny to think that the same band that's written songs like Gothic, As I Die and Embers Fire, recorded Host and Believe in Nothing.
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This band has been on my "to get" list forever. Unfortunately, when I'm on a budget buying new music almost always takes priority over getting old stuff ;D
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I'm annoyed PL are playing DT in full. It's an overrated record and I'd be bored by the second half of it live for sure.
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I gotta agree that the second half of DT has mostly fillers. After Yearn for Change, there aren't great songs. The first half is excellent, though. Draconian Times is my least fave out of the 4 PL albums I have (Icon, DT, IR, FDUDUU).
EDIT: Nick Holmes is one of the funniest frontmen I know (along with Mikael Åkerfeldt)! At one gig he said "There were too many songs about death tonight, so this song is about flowers and sunshine. It's called "As I Die" :rollin
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I love the song, but the album as a whole is pretty meh.
Oh wait, this is not about Symphony X's album? :jamaritard:
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I love the song, but the album as a whole is pretty meh.
Oh wait, this is not about Symphony X's album? :jamaritard:
You are a bad person.
......But I thought the same thing :D
Seriously though, I've heard good things about the band, I'll have to check out those links soon.
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I bought One Second last Thursday. It's actually quite good, despite being poppy! I think my PL album ranking would be this:
Icon / Draconian Times / In Requiem / Faith Divides Us, Death Unites Us (the order of these 4 varies, they're all great)
Symbol of Life
One Second
Shades of God (a quite solid album, but some songs have too many riffs)
Gothic (the production makes some songs sound funny, although they are meant to be serious)
Paradise Lost (too many fillers)
I haven't heard Lost Paradise, Host and Believe in Nothing.
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Faith Divides Us is the only album i've heard in full, but its great.
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https://www.paradiselost.co.uk/news/2011/draconian-times-mmxi-announced.html
PARADISE LOST offer you the chance to take part in the "Draconian Times MMXI" DVD!
On 7th November 2011 PARADISE LOST and Century Media Records will release their new "Draconian Times MMXI" DVD. In early 2011 the band performed their monumental album Draconian Times (from 1995) live at a series of 7 exclusive gigs in the following select cities around Europe: Tilburg, Bochum, London, Paris, Athens, and Thessaloniki.
Nick Holmes (vocals) had this to say: "It was great fun doing the DT live shows and the response outshined our expectations by far, all the shows were great, but the London show was a real highlight & thankfully captured on film. Jens Bogren has mixed the songs brilliantly, the extras are fun, and the whole thing has come together tremendously well. We are lucky to have such devoted fans, prepared to travel all over the world to see our shows. This DVD is dedicated to them, and I hope they thoroughly enjoy it!"
"Draconian Times MMXI" features the London show at The Forum on April 1st, a documentary from the whole tour filmed by the band’s bass player Steve Edmondson, interviews about the history of "Draconian Times" with Simon Efemey (producer of Draconian Times, 1995), Nick Holmes (vocals), Greg Mackintosh (guitar), Aaron Aedy (guitar), Steve Edmondson (bass) and Andy Farrow (manager since 1990) and the two promo videos from PARADISE LOST’s latest album "Faith Divides Us – Death Unites Us".
Now you’ve got the chance to leave your memories of the legendary "Draconian Times" album on the new DVD. Pre-order the limited edition Double DVD plus Live CD at CM DISTRO EUROPE (click to pre-order) until August 29th, 2011, leave your memories (no more than 30 words), and your words and name will appear in the final credits of the DVD. Please understand that we have to delete anything sexual, offending, etc. that will cause us trouble to get the DVD in to public retail (without being x-rated).
The main show was directed and produced by Paul Green for of Cybertech Productions. Jens Bogren who produced the last Paradise Lost album (as well as Opeth, Amon Amarth, etc.) mixed and mastered the audio sound at Fascination Street Studios. The cover artwork for "Draconian Times MMXI" was created by Justin Kamerer (www.angryblue.com). The tracklist of the main show includes all tracks from the original 1995 "Draconian Times" album plus some more old and new classics.
"Draconian Times MMXI" tracklist:
Enchantment
Hallowed Land
The Last Time
Forever Failure
Once Solemn
Shadowkings
Elusive Cure
Yearn For Change
Shades Of God
Hands Of Reason
I See Your Face
Jaded
Faith Divides Us, Death Unites Us
True Belief
One Second
Say Just Words
Rise Of Denial
As I Die
Stay tuned for more info on the release and a video trailer to be published soon.
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I got Host - their most controversial album - some time ago and it's not bad actually! I like many songs, and metal purists are probably just complaining about the lack of distortion on guitars.
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PL's new album Tragic Idol will be released in late April and a new song called Crucify was available for free download on Valentine's Day (it can also be found on Youtube). Sounds like they're taking the heaviness and doominess of Faith Divides Us, Death Unites Us even further, which is not a bad thing, although I also enjoy One Second and Host.
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Bumping this once again just to say that Tragic Idol is awesome - probably my album of the year so far! :metal Solitary One, The Glorious End and Fear of Impending Hell are my favorite songs. It's sad that PL get so little attention on this board :sadpanda: Hopefully the Katatonia/Devin fans will check them out on the fall US tour. To anyone unfamiliar with PL checking out this thread; I can give you some album/song recommendations if you're interested.
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Tragic Idol is on my short-list...I'm a big fan of this band since hearing them for the first time back when Draconian Times came out...
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I've been a fan just for 2 years... How did you react to One Second and Host when they came out? I've heard that most fans were pretty shocked and disappointed by those releases - I personally like them a lot.
I just found that MetalSucks.net (what a name :lol) is offering a free Paradise Lost sampler (https://www.metalsucks.net/2012/06/07/free-download-and-stream-paradise-losts-lost-in-time-greatest-hits-compilation/) including a song from each album. Those song picks are pretty good and I recommend it to anyone who wants to see what the evolution of PL has been like.
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I've been a fan just for 2 years... How did you react to One Second and Host when they came out? I've heard that most fans were pretty shocked and disappointed by those releases - I personally like them a lot.
It wasn't much of a shock for me...I actually love One Second. I was not around for their early Death/Doom years, and came in when they were using melody and piano...One Second and Host, to me, were simple evolution.
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It wasn't much of a shock for me...I actually love One Second. I was not around for their early Death/Doom years, and came in when they were using melody and piano...One Second and Host, to me, were simple evolution.
Agreed -- but I say logical rather than simple! The key is Greg's playing and writing style (allmusic called it 'baroque' metal) that usually features some kind of sobbing lead melody over the rhythm, in any combination of guitar or keyboard, which is as true on 'Rapture' as it is on 'Ordinary Days'. He's a very original and accomplished songwriter.
I like Host a lot, but One Second is my least favorite PL. It just feels undercooked or something. But maybe now that I'm into the Sisters of Mercy I should try revisiting that.
There are gaps in my PL albums -- missing four of them -- but here's how I rank them (since that generally seems to be a popular activity here :laugh: )
1) Icon
2) Gothic
3) Shades of God
4) In Requiem
5) Host
6) Symbol of Life
7) Believe In Nothing
8) Draconian Times
9) One Second
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Agreed -- but I say logical rather than simple! The key is Greg's playing and writing style (allmusic called it 'baroque' metal) that usually features some kind of sobbing lead melody over the rhythm, in any combination of guitar or keyboard, which is as true on 'Rapture' as it is on 'Ordinary Days'. He's a very original and accomplished songwriter.
I agree - the essence of Paradise Lost has always been the same. In fact, many Host songs could fit the new albums if there were distorted guitars and Nick sang more roughly. I bet the people complaining about the lack of guitars or that the album doesn't sound like PL haven't given it more than one listen: there are actually lots of guitars but they used many effects on them and the atmosphere's just as dark as anything else they've done.
I like Host a lot, but One Second is my least favorite PL. It just feels undercooked or something. But maybe now that I'm into the Sisters of Mercy I should try revisiting that.
I like both albums but I find Host a tad more consistent. OS has some of their best songs like Mercy, Another Day and This Cold Life but Host is more solid overall.
My ranking changes all the time so I won't bother to do one here. Instead, I'll list my favorite song from each album (the ones I've heard, anyway):
Gothic: The Painless
SOG: No Forgiveness
Icon: Forging Sympathy
DT: Yearn for Change
OS: Mercy
Host: In All Honesty
SOL: title-track or Pray Nightfall
S/T: Over the Madness (the solo: :hefdaddy)
IR: Requiem
FDUDUU: Living with Scars
TI: Solitary One
I bought The Anatomy of Melancholy DVD yesterday and will watch it tomorrow when I have time. Judging by the setlists and the videos I've seen, I'll probably enjoy it a lot! :metal
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Draconian Times and One Second are my 2 favorite...followed by Icon...but they're all good...they show a very talented, varied band that can play many different styles while, as was said, maintain an essence.
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I've gotten a whole bunch of albums by these guys and can't wait to dig through their discography. Love the odd track I've heard by them here and there.
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I've gotten a whole bunch of albums by these guys and can't wait to dig through their discography. Love the odd track I've heard by them here and there.
Looking at your top 50 albums, I bet you'll find at least One Second and Host appealing. But going through many or all of them is a good idea, they have a very varied career! :tup
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Yeah, I think I'll probably dig their synth-driven sound more than most. I also have an affinity for doom metal that's grown recently, so I think I'll like those as well!
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I bought The Anatomy of Melancholy DVD yesterday and will watch it tomorrow when I have time. Judging by the setlists and the videos I've seen, I'll probably enjoy it a lot! :metal
You'll like it! Check out that guitar solo on 'Ember's Fire'. ;)
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I watched the DVD and yes, it's great! :metal Nick's vocals weren't great at the beginning of the show but he got better as the night went on (except for Once Solemn). I like Gothic and Eternal, they sound much better than the studio versions with the crap production. The heavy version of So Much is Lost is interesting as well and :tup for Sweetness. I think I prefer the Draconian Times DVD performance-wise but the setlist is better and more diverse on Anatomy.
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Agreed re: Nick. His performances often seem to be quite uneven. But for the most part I think he does a good job negotiating the rather wildly divergent vocal styles in the band's back catalogue.
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Yeah, Nick is inconsistent as a live singer, he often has trouble pulling off some of the more difficult vocal parts (especially on the Draconian Times songs). Someone has uploaded most of the pro-shot Ukrainian show from 2005 to Youtube and he sounds pretty terrible on those videos. I've heard he hadn't slept well enough and he does look and sound tired so that's probably true. On the top of that, Greg was in hospital so they had to play those songs as a 4-piece with only one guitar! However, Nick was very good on the Draconian Times anniversary tour judging by the DVD and some audience-filmed videos from the other shows.
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I got yet another PL DVD, this time it's the Over the Madness documentary. The short version gave me the impression it's meant for people unfamiliar with PL but the director's cut is a must-see for every dedicated fan of the band and I especially found the full interview with Greg on the bonus disc very interesting.
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The new video (Fear of Impending Hell) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YANGB9KqYo)
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Paradise Lost posted my interview with Greg and Steve on their Facebook page:
https://youtu.be/ZWXyv8F2Rb8 (https://youtu.be/ZWXyv8F2Rb8)
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I used to loce PL, the Icon/DT/One Second era were great.
I didn't like Host really, but there are some great pro shot bootlegs around from that era with the Host songs sounding great live with some beefier guitars.
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Bumping this thread again...
In October I bought a nice rarity - the PL singles box set! It's a limited edition of 1,000 copies and includes their singles and EPs from the 92-97 era. It cost over 30 € but it was totally worth it - it's the rarest item in my record collection! :2metal:
And while I'm at it, this is my album ranking right now:
1. Draconian Times
2. Host
3. Tragic Idol
4. Icon
5. Faith Divides Us...
6. One Second
7. In Requiem
8. Symbol of Life
9. Shades of God
10. Paradise Lost
11. Gothic
The self-titled album has grown on me, but I still think it has its fair share of filler. Gothic, on the other hand, is ruined by the awful production - this might sound contradictory coming from someone who enjoys the first 2 Opeth albums and When Dream and Day Unite, but the rhythm guitar sound on Gothic sounds like farting and the drums sound as if they were made of cardboard. Nick wasn't a great growler, and the songwriting is also pretty inconsistent: there are classics like the title-track, Eternal and The Painless, but there's also a lot of aimless and immature material - Falling Forever is simply laughable! It's hard to take an album like this 100% seriously when the production makes it sound even comical at times.
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The singles Box set is an excellent release, with many rare songs not released anywhere else, and for 30 euro's that a steal.
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I think it was 32,95 € - a true bargain for a release like that! I had heard the B-sides before, but obviously it's great to have them on CD, there are some gems like Sweetness, Rape of Virtue and Master of Misrule.
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Just bought "Tradic Idol". Really liking this album. Good old Paradise Lost at top form :metal
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My 2nd favorite album of 2012! :tup The Glorious End has become one of my all-time favorite PL songs, the final chorus... no, the whole song is so unbelievably epic! :hefdaddy
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My 2nd favorite album of 2012! :tup The Glorious End has become one of my all-time favorite PL songs, the final chorus... no, the whole song is so unbelievably epic! :hefdaddy
I agree! It's a glorious end to the album! :hat My favourite track of the album!
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Last Thursday Adrian tweeted that he's going to studio with PL and one day later he said that the drums and bass are done. I wonder if they're recording a new song/EP or something else for the 25th anniversary... :caffeine:
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25th anniversary dates in the UK coming up: https://paradiselost.co.uk/news/2013/25th-anniversary-uk-shows.html
Hopefully they'll pull an Opeth and film the Roundhouse show. The mention about the "Tragic Illusion" album sounds intriguing - it's probably a compilation, perhaps including some new stuff and/or re-recorded songs.
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Tragic Illusion 25 (The Rarities) track-listing:
1. Loneliness Remains
2. Never Take Me Alive (SPEAR OF DESTINY cover version)
3. Ending Through Changes
4. The Last Fallen Saviour
5. Last Regret (Lost in Prague Orchestra Mix)
6. Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us (Lost in Prague Orchestra Mix)
7. Cardinal Zero
8. Back On Disaster
9. Sons Of Perdition
10. Godless
11. Missing (EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL cover version)
12. Silent in Heart
13. Gothic 2013
14. Our Saviour 2013
It's awesome that some bands still release compilations of B-sides and other rare stuff! :tup I can't wait to hear what the new version of Our Saviour sounds like... :o
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If I were going to listen to Paradise Lost, which album should I start with?
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Draconian Times - easily their best and most consistent album.
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Cool, I'll check it out! :D
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Draconian Times - easily their best and most consistent album.
Yup.
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Draconian Times - easily their best and most consistent album.
Draconian times is awesome, but id still rank one album above it.
Top.3
1. In Requiem
2. Draconian Times
3. One Second
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I find it pretty tough to rank the whole discography, but Draconian Times and Host are my 2 favorites, followed by Tragic Idol, Icon and Symbol of Life.
There'll be a new album next year and in a recent interview Greg said he has no clear idea of what the direction will be - it could either be a really heavy album or include everything from synth pop to doom metal. I'd like to hear some electronic and poppy elements again, because the last few albums have been quite metallic and I hope they won't get stuck in their comfort zone. That said, I'll probably be happy with whatever they put out :lol
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Yeah I'm with you, a few more keyboards, or any keys and some ambient sounds would be nice and doomy :metal
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Saturday morning cleaning time, so I put on the Draconian Times live DVD.
Still amazed that nearly 20 years on just how good this album is.
Almost flawless, and I don't say that about many albums :o
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On Saturday 20th September gothic metallers Paradise Lost will be performing at an exclusive show in the magnificent Roman theatre in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. For the one off event the band will be joined by the renowned Plovdiv Philharmonic Orchestra founded nearly 70 years ago and made up of over 100 highly qualified musicians. The orchestra has its roots in the hundred year old orchestral tradition in Plovdiv and over the years has launched the careers of many world-famous conductors.
The prestigious evening will be promoted by the Bulgarian independent radio station Radio Tangra Mega Rock and orchestrated by conductor Levon Manukyan who wrote the first metal ballet and is the founder of the Levon Manukyan Collegium Musicum orchestra. During his career Levon has previously given the classical treatment to rock and metal works by Marilyn Manson, Alice Cooper, Dream Theater, AC/DC, Evanescence, Guns’n’Roses, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana and Judas Priest, and worked with world-famous soloists including ex-Nightwish vocalist Tarja Turunen.
“We have recorded elements of orchestration many times in the studio over the last two decades, as many of our songs lend themselves well to classical arrangement. However, we have never before had the chance to play with a real orchestra in a live situation, so it’s very exciting to have the opportunity to play with Plovdiv Philharmonic and in such a prestigious location as the Roman theatre"
This event will mark a key milestone in PARADISE LOST’s, already esteemed, career as they make their first ever performance accompanied by a full live orchestra.
Hopefully they'll film the show like Anathema did! :caffeine: Hopefully the setlist will include some less often played songs with strings like Last Regret, although obviously stuff like Forever Failure and Gothic can't be left unplayed at an event like this.
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Nick Holmes is the new vocalist of Bloodbath! (https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/news/2014-09-16/exclusive-bloodbath-reveal-new-vocalist-1)
Didn't see that coming... :o As evidenced by recent live videos and the re-recordings from last year, he can still growl, but I definitely didn't expect him to roar on a full-blown death metal album again. Maybe he'll even growl on the next PL album?
PL also revealed the songs they'll play with an orchestra at the live DVD shoot later this month (including a new song): https://www.radiotangra.com/en/news/read/23907.html
1. Last Regret
2. Your Own reality
3. Over The Madness
4. Joys Of The Emptiness
5. Gothic
6. Tragic Idol
7. Soul Courageous
8. VICTIM OF THE PAST
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Nick Holmes is the new vocalist of Bloodbath! (https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/news/2014-09-16/exclusive-bloodbath-reveal-new-vocalist-1)
Didn't see that coming... :o As evidenced by recent live videos and the re-recordings from last year, he can still growl, but I definitely didn't expect him to roar on a full-blown death metal album again. Maybe he'll even growl on the next PL album?
Neither did I! In fact, I've never listened to Paradise Lost at all prior to hearing that announcement (although I know who PL were because of Jonas Renkse and Anders Nyström namedropping them many times in Katatonia interviews) but I just got finished listening to the Gothic album for the first time. Awesome stuff. I wonder if Nick Holmes being in Bloodbath will bring a gothic/doomy vibe on the upcoming Bloodbath album.
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Anders had commented on the album's direction in some press release and he said it's gonna be death metal as usual. I've never listened to a full Bloodbath album before, because standard death metal gets boring really quickly, but I might have to give this a try just because I want to hear Nick growl. :lol BTW, PL guitarist Greg Mackintosh also has a death metal side project called Vallenfyre, so Nick isn't the first to revisit his roots.
Gothic is a classic record, but I like most of the albums that came out after it more. You should listen to Draconian Times - most fans consider it PL's magnum opus.
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I am stunned that Nick got the job with BB, his vocals have changed a lot over the years, and for him to now sing death metal vocals is a complete shock.
But I do trust the other BB guys and he wouldn't have been given the job unless he could deliver the growls.
Yes PL Draconian Times is an absolute classic, almost perfect in every respect.
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Took a listen to Draconian Times, it's really great but I feel like I'll need another listen or two for it to really sink in with me. I'm listening to Host right now, and damn...I quite like this electronic rock sounding PL even though the genre is not necessarily my cup of tea!
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Host was one of the first synth pop/rock albums I listened to and I still think it's a top 3 PL record. It also led me to discover Depeche Mode and some other electronic stuff.
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"No Hope in Sight": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7O1z-Vw9Vc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7O1z-Vw9Vc)
Didn't really care for it at first but now I think it's quite good. Excited for the new album.
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That new song is awesome!
Sounds like Draconian Times.
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The song has that recognizable PL feel, but doesn't feel like a rehash of Tragic Idol - I like it! :tup Nick's growls sound stronger than on the 2013 re-recordings and the new Bloodbath songs I've heard. He doesn't use them in the stereotypical "clean verse, growled chorus (or vice versa)" formula, but employs them more sparingly, which makes them more powerful.
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I just pre-ordered the box version of The Plague Within! :metal I have no need for the vinyls, but I really wanted to get the bonus tracks, and I don't mind getting a 36-page artbook, either.
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The new album is fantastic!!!
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I've only listened to Plague once, but I really liked what I heard. :metal It's heavy as hell, but has enough diversity not to get too samey or boring. The growls add a lot of variety to Nick's vocals - a couple of years ago I'd never have believed he'd go back to that, let alone use zero clean vocals on a PL song again. I also have to say the artbook looks gorgeous and the whole box is definitely worth the price! One of the bonus tracks, Never Look Away, is awesome in particular.
I'm also positively surprised at how much praise the album has received - on sites like Rate Your Music the average score is almost as good as it is for Icon and Draconian Times.
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I ordered the deluxe box too, should arrive this week.
I watched the Draconian Times live DVD today, still one of my top 5 albums of all time, I never get tired of hearing it.
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The Plague Within is amazing! :metal
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Definitely! I checked it out on random and I was floored. Awesome album!
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Dare I say it? Contender of album of the year so far!
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Dare I say it? Contender of album of the year so far!
Steven Wilson's HCE is my favorite so far, but Plague is definitely a runner-up! :metal
Draconian Times turned 20 over a week ago and I wrote about it in my blog (https://echotester.blogspot.com/2015/06/paradise-lost-draconian-times-1995.html), as well as a review of Plague (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/paradise-lost-plague-within.html).
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New album, Medusa, due for release later this year.
https://teamrock.com/news/2017-04-24/paradise-lost-name-new-album-medusa (https://teamrock.com/news/2017-04-24/paradise-lost-name-new-album-medusa)
Been listening to Paradise Lost quite a lot this year, really looking forward to this. Still not listened to all of their albums but the ones I do like are pretty spectacular.
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Thanks for the information on the upcoming album. I recently started listening thanks to the album thread. Punishment through Time on The Plague Within kicks ass :metal
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I used to like this band. Got introduced to them with 'Draconian Times', then enjoyed the two albums that followed that '1 second' then 'host' even though they were more electonical. The next album was awful though, can't remember the name but it had Bee's on the cover - I kind of forgot about them after that. Was did other's think of that 'Bee' album?
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I used to like this band. Got introduced to them with 'Draconian Times', then enjoyed the two albums that followed that '1 second' then 'host' even though they were more electonical. The next album was awful though, can't remember the name but it had Bee's on the cover - I kind of forgot about them after that. Was did other's think of that 'Bee' album?
Oh yeah, Believe in Nothing is largely agreed to be the worst PL album, even among the band members themselves. Greg said it doesn't really exist for him, because the making of the record was so heavily compromised. However, he thought World Pretending could've been a great song with better production, and Aaron even named it one of his top 10 PL songs (https://teamrock.com/feature/2015-09-28/the-11-best-paradise-lost-songs) (while giving an honorable mention to Gone, which is a B-side from the same sessions). Also, when Host and BIN were finally added on Spotify, PL put together a playlist with the band's favorite tracks from those two albums alongside songs they were influenced by back then (https://open.spotify.com/user/paradiselostofficial/playlist/3zbs1ED3Gx8TkDxhfRUF6A).
I have to admit I only like a handful of songs on BIN and could do without the rest - the first two songs are great, the aforementioned World Pretending and Illumination are alright, and Look at Me Now is a pretty solid tune with the exception of the anticlimactic chorus. It's not even the lack of metal that bothers me, because Host is my second favorite PL album behind Draconian Times - it's just that the songwriting is so uninspired. As for the cover art, Nick said they were pretty confused and indifferent at the time due to the prescription pills they were taking. :P
Anyway, since then they've brought the heaviness back and cut back the electronics album by album, culminating in The Plague Within, which reintroduced Nick's death growl. I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the upcoming album's direction, because I'm not a big fan of sludgy stuff. To me the first great PL album is Icon, which was already growl-free, so I prefer their more melodic output, and at a few points on Plague Nick's growling felt like a bit of a cop-out when melodic singing would've been more fitting. I'll still give Medusa a chance though, hoping that it's not just death/doom.
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This was a fun read: https://stalker-magazine.rocks/language/en/2017/06/23/paradise-lost-tidying-up-the-bus-is-a-thankless-task/
Medusa starts off with an 8 minute track :tup
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The best gothic metal band still around?
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The Longest Winter sounds great, almost a return to the classic PL sound of Gothic and Shades.
Not sold on the production, but everything sounds great music , vocal and song wise.
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What a heavy song. Gotdamn.
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The Longest Winter is amazing. :metal
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So... I'm not very pleased with this album (https://www.musicalypse.net/2017-paradise-lost-medusa-english/) :-\
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Medusa is growing after several listens. Loving the guitar tone. I will probably never get to see the band where I live, but this lineup would be great:
Paradise lost, The Anciients and Gojira :metal
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Bumping this thread...
Remix and remaster of Believe In Nothing is out this Friday.
Anyone bought the remaster of Host?
Not my fave PL album, but might pick this up too.
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Bumping this thread...
Remix and remaster of Believe In Nothing is out this Friday.
Anyone bought the remaster of Host?
Not my fave PL album, but might pick this up too.
I reviewed (https://www.musicalypse.net/2018-paradise-lost-believe-in-nothing-remixed-remastered/) the BIN remix. In a nutshell, some songs sound better, others sound worse, and the rest don't sound that different either way. The album is still mediocre musically, so I don't believe it's an essential release. I did like the Host (https://www.musicalypse.net/1999-2018-paradise-lost-host-remaster-english/) remaster though.
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Another bump for a band that seems to go unnoticed around these parts.
New song from the forthcoming album;
https://youtu.be/QWqNcw-oIbU
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Great song \m/
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Another bump for a band that seems to go unnoticed around these parts.
New song from the forthcoming album;
https://youtu.be/QWqNcw-oIbU
Love that guitar tone!
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Another bump for a band that seems to go unnoticed around these parts.
New song from the forthcoming album;
https://youtu.be/QWqNcw-oIbU
Love that guitar tone!
Song is great, and the production sounds really crisp! Can't wait for this :tup
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The new album is very good, one of their best albums since Draconian Times in my opinion \m/
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New video
https://youtu.be/URJH3ZJzxB0
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The new album is very good, one of their best albums since Draconian Times in my opinion \m/
Easily their best for a long long time, has everything about the band I love and that 'gothic' sound is finally back too.
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Paradise Lost part ways with drummer WALTTERI VÄYRYNEN:
https://twitter.com/OfficialPL/status/1567558314153721860?s=20&t=Qeo2Cm_EiDhA6KJAh32qqA
100% amicable, so no drama there.
Just kinda funny how many drummers PL have had :biggrin: I mean, for a band that otherwise had NO line-up changes from their very beginnings...I guess other than their very first drummer (Matt Archer, who was a friend even before being a bandmate), it's pretty clear it's the four of them + whoever is available to sit on a drum stool at a given point in time ;)
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Interesting, the whole Peaceville Three has had member turnover/drama lately now.
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It always a Spinal Tap moment for me when Paradise Lost lose/change their drummer :lol
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It always a Spinal Tap moment for me when Paradise Lost lose/change their drummer :lol
Right?! :lol
My favorite always was Lee Morris, though. His drumming on Draconian Times is so, so good. I wonder what he's been up to after he left PL...?
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It had been teased a few weeks ago, today it's officially announced...
Paradise Lost Greg Mackintosh and Nick Holmes's new project - HOST.
Not surprisingly, from the press release, the sound will be along the lines of PL's album of the same name. While I'm not going to claim it's one of their best (it's not), it's a record I'm very fond of. They tried something different at the time which, at its core, was "Paradise Lost", despite sounding quite different. Needless to say, I'm excited about this. I miss the catchier elements of that era of PL, and if they are willing to revisit it in a project, I'm all for it.
Anyway, here's the video for Tomorrow's Sky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pActIe_Ca0k
Basically, it sounds like you would expect ;) Not amazing, but very enjoyable and catchy. Works for me as a single!
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Like it. PL are one of those bands I keep meaning to get into.
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Like it. PL are one of those bands I keep meaning to get into.
I'd love to hear your thoughts if/when you do...They've always been one my favorite bands.
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One of my personal faves too!
Loved the direction they went during those albums from One Second through to the excellent Symbol Of Life which remains a fave alongside Draconian and the Self-Titled hell Obsidian and Medusa get a ton of spins too...
Anyway it's great to hear them getting stuck back into this side of the band again fantastic thanks for the heads up I had no idea until now Cheers :metal
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One of my personal faves too!
Loved the direction they went during those albums from One Second through to the excellent Symbol Of Life which remains a fave alongside Draconian and the Self-Titled hell Obsidian and Medusa get a ton of spins too...
Anyway it's great to hear them getting stuck back into this side of the band again fantastic thanks for the heads up I had no idea until now Cheers :metal
Oddly enough, a lot of Paradise Lost fans I know hate the "Symbol of Life" album. I liked it a lot, myself. However, my favorite song of theirs will probably always be "Fear of Impending Hell".
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One of my personal faves too!
Loved the direction they went during those albums from One Second through to the excellent Symbol Of Life which remains a fave alongside Draconian and the Self-Titled hell Obsidian and Medusa get a ton of spins too...
Anyway it's great to hear them getting stuck back into this side of the band again fantastic thanks for the heads up I had no idea until now Cheers :metal
Oddly enough, a lot of Paradise Lost fans I know hate the "Symbol of Life" album. I liked it a lot, myself. However, my favorite song of theirs will probably always be "Fear of Impending Hell".
I feel Tragic Idol gets overlooked too nowdays but there were some tasty songs and some killer bonus tracks too. Fear Of Impending felt like it could've been lifted from their 2005 Self-Titled which like I said is another personal fave so was happy fer sure. So Fear was an immediate standout as was the Title-Track which always makes my playlists and those bonus tracks I mentioned Ending Through Changes is epic as fuck absolutely should've made the regular playlist and the Spear Of Destiny cover Never Take Me Alive is essential. I got the deluxe box CD set t-shirt and as I type realise haven't yet got the LP which I must rectify asap \m/
So far as Symbol goes I think the material for where they were at that time was simply spot on and hinted at a return to their heavier side (which most fans credit In Requiem for but personally felt their Self-Titled was the big step up & back and deserved that acolade). The first couple Symbol tracks were welcome kicks to the head, Pray Nightfall is one of their finest songs period and Perfect Mask is just too addictive. Not generally a fan of cover songs but everything these guys touch turns to gold, much like that Spear Of Destiny cover, Xavier and Small Town Boy are fantastic (some available on their Rarities album Tragic Illusion which was great but wish it had been a double and included all the covers etc)...
Seems you're on baord so am probably preaching to the converted NunoT so sorry for the long reply ;)
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Wardy...Couldn't agree more on the self-titled. We might have talked about this already, here or in some other thread, but the s/t might well be my favorite of theirs after the holy trinity (for me ;)) of Icon-Draconian Times-One Second. And it wasn't simply a retread of older stuff...imo on that album they managed to combine everything they had "learned" in way of catchy songwriting with a crunchier sound that still managed to be colorful and dynamic. Amazing album, really.
Symbol of Life is super-enjoyable too...I like to think of it as one of their most "club-friendly" albums, with heavy-sounding guitars combined with electro-gothic-sounding keyboards (I mean, Isolate...?). In terms of the more melancholic material, I LOVE No Celebration and the title-track.
As for the post-S/T albums...In Requiem and Faith Divides Us are both great records too. Getting progressively heavier, I guess, but still melodic enough. Tragic Idol is perhaps one step down, but I'm with you that Fear of Impending Hell, in particular, is one of the best songs of their more recent era. Then the (partial) return of "growling Nick Holmes"...neither The Plague Within nor Medusa are among my favorite PL albums, I have to say, but they are by no means bad. It's just that this going further back to their roots is not quite what I was looking for, and the material generally doesn't sound as inspired...
Obsidian, on the other hand, I liked a ton. It has a bit of a "greatest hits" feel, as the band revisits various facets of their sound, but the songs are generally very, very strong. Again, I just wish Holmes stuck to his melodic-and-occasionally-Hetfield-like vocals instead of growling. I'm not against harsher vocals per se, but his are not my favorite. Plus, I actually don't think the music calls for it.
What a great band, though. Among my absolute favorites.
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Nice!
Sounds like I'm a little more invested with their last lot where Nick has brought back his growls but do still agree I would've preferred he kept those to a minimum and prefer he just sing. The material however is what brings it up for me, one of the very few bands of which I can tolerate the growls (Amorphis is another) as the material and cleans are just too good not to enjoy.
And we agree on the Trinity being Icon Draconian and One Second. I never took much to their first few but Icon was an entirely different beast right and what followed was class.
That said I would definitely put their Self-titled right there with Draconian Times for my personal favourite. That album was just another thing altogether fer my ears. There's an ever so slight Enchantment vibe to Don't Belong which is a good thing and at the time its lyrics spoke volumes. I cannot speak highly enough about their Self-titled and ever so quietly complain to myself whenever it fails to get the recognition it deserves LOL.
Sidenote, have always been amazed just how many of their opening songs are not only album highlights but personal faves as well. I'm not sure of many other bands can boast such a volume of classic album openers...
Embers Fire
Enchantment
One Second
Isolate
Don't Belong
No Hope In Sight
Darker Thoughts
Most of those would be Top10 candidates for any list of my own PL faves...
Anyway yep, Paradise Lost are a personal favourite of mine and have been since Draconian Times dropped which I remember buying just for the cover art :laugh:
Also remember the jaw drop when I first heard Enchantment :metal
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Absolutely yes to PL openers!
I would add Gothic (the song) too, certainly a classic...
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Oops, I tend to forget those early albums these days but you're absolutely correct, add Gothic to that list :metal
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New single from the side-project Host:
Hiding From Tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTfc1Ju2X0
Not bad...I think I prefer it to the first song they released. It has more interesting dynamics going on. The first single was catchy, but there wasn't a whole lot happening ;)
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Yeah the new Host song is terrible, nowhere the brilliance of the first single.
The is one sounds too much like PL, an average b-side at best.
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Nah far from terrible IMO although can appreciate maybe a little disappointing as second single sure. I think it's still good just lacks the thump and head nods the first song had like nick said just not as catchy.
Still super keen for this one regardless 🤘
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Third single from the Host project:
"My Only Escape"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oio1Vg4e-2Y
Kinda cool...
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Host's album is out today...and it's precisely what you would expect :) Very much a revisit of the sound they had explored (as Paradise Lost) with that album. Nothing that will change the course of music history, but it's such a pleasure to hear Holmes and Mackintosh in that context again.
You can tell there's more awareness and confidence in their interpretation of that synth-y, gothic (and Depeche Mode-adjacent) approach...although I don't think this is as good as Paradise Lost's Host. Regardless, it's a super-enjoyable listen.
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Heard the Host album yesterday via stream, was impressed enough to buy into town today to pick up the CD.
Shop had already sold out of vinyl and CD were just about gone, strangely both staff working didn't know much about it (specialist metal record store)
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Love the sound and throwback but tbh it's a tad slower than I anticipated?
Will be buying it but need more time to unpack and digest it before can pick it apart ;)
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From PL official FB page;
Icon, our fourth album was released in 1993 and for it’s 30th anniversary, we’re re-recording it and doing an extra special vinyl release.
That’s all we can share for now, but watch this space for more information and a few special announcements very soon!
Not sure why this is being done, as they are on a hiding to nothing.
No way can it top the original, maybe bring something new, and with the modern metal production, mix and mastering it's can't possibly be sonically better?
Maybe they don't have the rights to remaster/remix the original, or the master tapes could have been destroyed or lost.
Either way this is a very puzzling decision.
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Agreed.
Icon is one of my faves from Paradise Lost but I have zero interest in any re-recordings from them or any band for that matter.
Would prefer they reissue the album to 180 and/or a Remaster for CD or something but no, won't be purchasing this.
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I'm ok with the re-recording. I prefer Nick's vocals now compared to the early 90's so it'll be nice to have a version of Icon with today's voice. As long as a new record isn't too far away.