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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Birch Boy on December 03, 2009, 10:48:12 PM
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I happen to be listening all the way through Facelift right now, having just got my tickets to see them in March :metal .
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I happen to be listening all the way through Facelift right now, having just got my tickets to see them in March :metal .
Facelift's an awesome album. I just wish they were coming closer to me on their tour, because I'd rather not drive 4 hours or so to Detroit.
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Never going to see them. Or any band, at this rate. :(
One of my most favorite bands. Still prefer Layne, though...but then agai, I'm not unlike many other fans.
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I SAH DEM :metal :metal
But you already know 'cause I said it about 7x already :facepalm:
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Saw them open for Velvet Revolver a couple years back. They only played for an hour, but, well....
1. Again
2. Grind
3. We Die Young
4. Them Bones
5. It Ain't Like That
6. Down In A Hole
7. Rain When I Die
8. Junkhead
9. Angry Chair
10. Man In The Box
11. Would?
12. Rooster
Fucking awesome.
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Saw them open for Velvet Revolver a couple years back. They only played for an hour, but, well....
1. Again
2. Grind
3. We Die Young
4. Them Bones
5. It Ain't Like That
6. Down In A Hole
7. Rain When I Die
8. Junkhead
9. Angry Chair
10. Man In The Box
11. Would?
12. Rooster
Fucking awesome.
It should be the other way around...
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Alice in Chains is all kinds of awesome!
Been on a AiC binge the past few days.
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Saw them open for Velvet Revolver a couple years back. They only played for an hour, but, well....
1. Again
2. Grind
3. We Die Young
4. Them Bones
5. It Ain't Like That
6. Down In A Hole
7. Rain When I Die
8. Junkhead
9. Angry Chair
10. Man In The Box
11. Would?
12. Rooster
Fucking awesome.
It should be the other way around...
Yeah, what is that garbage?
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Yeah, I dunno. I left before VR went on actually. Didn't much care to see them. Also, I was completely trashed.
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Angry Chair is, IMO, their best song.
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When I saw them 3 years ago:
Whale and Wasp (recording)
Again
Bleed The Freak
Grind
It Ain't Like That
Junkhead
Nutshell
Them Bones
Dam That River
Rain When I Die
Layne Staley video tribute #1
Don't Follow (acoustic)
Brother (acoustic)
Killer Is Me (acoustic)
No Excuses (acoustic)
Got Me Wrong (acoustic)
Down In A Hole (acoustic)
Layne Staley video tribute #2
Sludge Factory
We Die Young
Heaven Beside You
Angry Chair
Man In The Box
Encore:
Rooster
Would?
Dirt
God Smack
What The Hell Have I?
Love, Hate, Love
:hat
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:icwomangs:
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I kinda wish they would play Rotten Apple. Easily my favorite Alice In Chains song aside from Nutshell.
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Holy hell... Now that's a setlist if I've ever seen one.
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Holy hell... Now that's a setlist if I've ever seen one.
THIS
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I kinda wish they would play Rotten Apple. Easily my favorite Alice In Chains song aside from Nutshell.
+1.5
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Holy hell... Now that's a setlist if I've ever seen one.
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Easily one of the best shows, if not the best I've ever been to. With the tributes you could really tell the band was trying to live up to their old self and the audience supported it. The first video was almost tearjerking and as cliche as it sounds the lighters going up felt necessary as hell. Made me appreciate what Duvall has given this band since he sounded really close to Layne on several songs.
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SECOND FUCKIN ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I spoke with DuVall. He said 'no, you can't come in'. I'm being serious!
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I'll go in...in disguise...ninja.
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SECOND FUCKIN ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
I'm also within the first few rows
I spoke with DuVall. He said 'no, you can't come in'. I'm being serious!
???
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Mizzl is saying that he spoke to William DuVall and he doesn't want me to go to the show.
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Oh, I though DuVall was asctually denying mizzl access to the show :facepalm: :lol
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Just stopping by to say Down in a Hole is an amazing song.
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Just stopping by to say Dirt is an amazing album.
Fix'd
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This is true...and by the way...this is sex...
NSFa metal head's pants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJi7aQaySU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJi7aQaySU)
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Awesome band, although they're not the same without the original singer.
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Just stopping by to say Dirt, Facelift and Jar of Flies are amazing albums.
Fix'd
Fixed x2
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You left out AiC...I guess I can see why. Black Gives Way to Blue is shaping up quite nicely.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSq626zbMyk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSq626zbMyk)
Wow...thats not cool James!
Double post, yeah, I know.
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So here's my official album ranking:
*Keep in mind, Dirt, Alice In Chains, and Black Gives Way To Blue have been spun many more times than the others, so there might be a small error in judgement*
1. Dirt You guessed it, not too much to explain here.
2. Black Gives Way To Blue Same as number 1, not too much to explain, awesome.
3. Facelift Amazing album, very good.
4. Alice In Chains Being the first album I heard by AiC, it's grown slightly old and a bit boring.
5. Jar Of Flies - EP Yes, some people's absolute favorite by miles, but it's just not as good as Dirt to me, being a metal guy more than a rock guy. Still amazing songs like No Excuses and Swing On This.
Feel free to post yours.
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A. Just listened to all of BGWTB and wow... :metal That might just be up in top 2. I gotta relisten to Dirt and Facelift, but...
Does anybody else think BGWTB would be a better closer than Rooster...I could justr see the epicness now.
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Swear there is already at least one AiC thread
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I searched for it and no threads with the name came up.
And as I type this A Looking In View came on :metal
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Brush Away is pretty good. Frogs was :|
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I'm really bummed when I couldn't get tickets for any of the upcoming shows (and they're playing three near me: Philly, NYC, and Atlantic City). Unfortunately, unless I get another job soon, I'm going to have to sacrifice things like concerts for awhile.
But I'm not ruling out that I'll still be able to go to at least one of them...I'll just have to pull some magical strings once the dates get nearer if there aren't still tickets available.
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This is just me stopping by to say that I originally thought this was going to be shit and AiC was going to just get a copy cat singer and try to re-live the glory days ala Journey but I gotta say. This kicks ass. He might not be Layne when it comes to the :metal songs but I actually think DuVall is better than Layne with the moody acoustic rock songs. Black Gives Way to Blue is slowly climbing on my top AiC songs...so cool!
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anyone going to the terminal 5 show?
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Nope, I wanted to have a guaranteed view (as Terminal 5 is GA only, and I'm 5'4" :-[) so I got tickets to the Foxwoods Theater.
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T5 has balcony viewing, you could have been closer than ever, but whatever.
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I saw pictures of it and I was thinking that too, but I wasn't sure and didn't want to take the chance of not seeing anything. It's not a big deal because I have seat 27 at the CT venue, which is in the first few rows :hat
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For me...it's gonna be like watching a play at school!!! :caffeine: Does any one know if Cantrell moves on stage because I am on Inez's side and it would be so cool to be like 5 feet away from Cantrell.
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For me...it's gonna be like watching a play at school!!! :caffeine: Does any one know if Cantrell moves on stage because I am on Inez's side and it would be so cool to be like 5 feet away from Cantrell.
From the footage I've seen Jerry doesn't move much at all. He has to be at his mic for vocal duties on pretty much every song.
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:( That sucks...meh I'll be close to DuVall and maybe he may move during breaks and stuff where there is not much singing.
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I WAZZA 4 METERS AWAY FROM JERRY CANTRELL! :hefdaddy
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ok i can't make the show in terminal 5, does anyone want the ticket? i will sell it for face value, pm me.
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Forget it.
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T SPOIL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok i can't make the show in terminal 5, does anyone want the ticket? i will sell it for face value, pm me.
Whats the date of the show?
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T SPOIL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are right. I should not do that. I edited that.
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Yeah, no offense or anything, but if bands don't change the setlist nightly, I HATE seeing it in advance and being spoiled.
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No worries. :azn: I just hope they play BGWTB.
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No worries. :azn: I just hope they play BGWTB.
:jerks off
Yes that means what you're thinking.
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What?!?!?
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Fix'd it for better understanding.
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I still don't get the comment after the jerking.
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I bought the album Dirt. I liked it but was not entirely blown away. I can't get into AIC for some reason.
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I still don't get the comment after the jerking.
It was to help you understand it better, but after the edit, was useless.
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I bought the album Dirt. I liked it but was not entirely blown away. I can't get into AIC for some reason.
Try Facelift.
Amd Birch, PM me dammit!
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Angry Chair is, IMO, their best song.
My wife would agree with you.
Saw AIC do the Tsunami benefit in Seattle in 2005. GREAT show, featuring Chris DeGarmo (Queensryche) on second guitar. He played lead on an acoustic set, and then rhythm on the electric set. Then I saw AIC headline in San Francisco in 2006 with William on vocals. GREAT job. James Hetfield came out to do "Would" with them as well. Then I saw AIC again opening for Velvet Revolver in the Bay Area. Another superb AIC performance.
Unfortunately, while AIC is playing fairly close to me on this new tour, I am going to have to miss it. It's mid-week and I just bought tickets to Sevendust/Drowning Pool and Slayer/Megadeth/Testament. So I am tapped out.
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Am I the only one that thinks that "Black Gives Way To Blue" should be longer than three minutes? I think it should be around the five minute mark at least, after all, I always think of it as the epic, culmination of the album.
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Yeah, it should be longer but that is not the worst AiC did to a song. I would take a 20 minute Them Bones! :lol That song is so good and 2:48 ( I think) so doesn't cover it.
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Yeah, it should be longer but that is not the worst AiC did to a song. I would take a 20 minute Them Bones! :lol That song is so good and 2:48 ( I think) so doesn't cover it.
Agreed.
And also, I just got done with listening to their entire catalog of studio recordings. :metal
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I am currently having a love affair with Your Decision. That song is really great. The lyrics are so sad though. The new album is really good.
Of course no one can replace Layne, but the new singer sounds really good and the harmonies sound just like they used to. I'm really glad the band is carrying on because they are so good, and the new music is awesome.
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I have been completely underwhelmed by the new album. Hopefully seeing songs from it live in two days from the floor at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC will give me a better perspective...
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I have been completely underwhelmed by the new album. Hopefully seeing songs from it live in two days from the floor at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC will give me a better perspective...
You've been saying that, but you haven't elaborated. Interested in your take. Personally, I think the new album is really good. Maintains what AiC has been and shows a glimmer of something new as well. Very emotional album as well.
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I have been completely underwhelmed by the new album. Hopefully seeing songs from it live in two days from the floor at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC will give me a better perspective...
You've been saying that, but you haven't elaborated. Interested in your take. Personally, I think the new album is really good. Maintains what AiC has been and shows a glimmer of something new as well. Very emotional album as well.
A lot of people painted it as a brilliant comeback by the band and one of the best albums of 2009. I have listened to it a handful of times (and am listening to it right now in prep for the show tonight) and once the CD is finished, the songs disappear from my mind. Nothing sticks with me. The music just kind of plods along. Nothing really jumps out as a strong track with catchy riffs and hooks. It is ok when I am listening, but completely forgetable once I move on to something else. I appreciate the emotional lyrics, but nothing really grabs me on this one...
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I have been completely underwhelmed by the new album. Hopefully seeing songs from it live in two days from the floor at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC will give me a better perspective...
You've been saying that, but you haven't elaborated. Interested in your take. Personally, I think the new album is really good. Maintains what AiC has been and shows a glimmer of something new as well. Very emotional album as well.
A lot of people painted it as a brilliant comeback by the band and one of the best albums of 2009. I have listened to it a handful of times (and am listening to it right now in prep for the show tonight) and once the CD is finished, the songs disappear from my mind. Nothing sticks with me. The music just kind of plods along. Nothing really jumps out as a strong track with catchy riffs and hooks. It is ok when I am listening, but completely forgetable once I move on to something else. I appreciate the emotional lyrics, but nothing really grabs me on this one...
Really? The hooks in Check My Brain and Your Decision are pretty memorable to me. Those are two great singles off the album.
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I have been completely underwhelmed by the new album. Hopefully seeing songs from it live in two days from the floor at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC will give me a better perspective...
You've been saying that, but you haven't elaborated. Interested in your take. Personally, I think the new album is really good. Maintains what AiC has been and shows a glimmer of something new as well. Very emotional album as well.
A lot of people painted it as a brilliant comeback by the band and one of the best albums of 2009. I have listened to it a handful of times (and am listening to it right now in prep for the show tonight) and once the CD is finished, the songs disappear from my mind. Nothing sticks with me. The music just kind of plods along. Nothing really jumps out as a strong track with catchy riffs and hooks. It is ok when I am listening, but completely forgetable once I move on to something else. I appreciate the emotional lyrics, but nothing really grabs me on this one...
Really? The hooks in Check My Brain and Your Decision are pretty memorable to me. Those are two great singles off the album.
This
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Just got back from seeing them at MGM Grand at Foxwoods :metal
*SPOILERS*
All Secrets Known
It Ain't Like That
Again
Check My Brain
Them Bones
Dam That River
Rain When I Die
Your Decision
Nutshell
We Die Young
A Looking In View
Acid Bubble
Lesson Learned
Love, Hate, Love
Would?
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No Excuses
Man in The Box
Rooster
AWESOME show. I was in the orchestra section, about 40 feet from the stage. Awesome light/effects show too.
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Good shit. I would pay a lot of money to hear them play Rotten Apple though.
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Good shit. I would pay a lot of money to hear them play Rotten Apple though.
Same here. I've always been bummed that Rotten Apple seems so forgotten in the annals of AIC fandom. I've always likened it to Nutshell. They are the first two tracks off Jar of Flies, both are named after food , both have a somber mood and finally both are excellently written.
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The fact that they do not play Black Gives Way to Blue makes me a sad, sad, sad panda :sadpanda:
Here's to the unlikely hope that they play it next Saturday or when I see them with STP in May.
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Good shit. I would pay a lot of money to hear them play Rotten Apple though.
Same here. I've always been bummed that Rotten Apple seems so forgotten in the annals of AIC fandom. I've always likened it to Nutshell. They are the first two tracks off Jar of Flies, both are named after food , both have a somber mood and finally both are excellently written.
Yeah I dunno what's up with that. Layne sounds absolutely tortured singing both of those songs. Easily the best 1-2 punch out of all their songs and for that reason probably my top two songs. The order changes though.
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By the way, they do slightly change the setlist from night-to-night.
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nope :(
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nope :(
Yes? Wait what?
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They don't change their set.
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Yeah they do...
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Not from what I have seen on setlist.fm
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Take another look. "Got Me Wrong", "Junkhead", "Grind", and "Last Of My Kind", among others, are switched in and out.
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Oh, that could be true. I really only skim sets for what I am looking for.
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Oh, that could be true. I really only skim sets for what I am looking for.
If you only skim them, why would you say they don't change them?
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Was anyone at the MGM show last night? I saw someone wearing the same Dream Theater tour shirt that I was wearing and was thinking that he could maybe be from here. I was wearing the group photo tour shirt with a Metallica ...And Justice For All hoodie.
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Oh, that could be true. I really only skim sets for what I am looking for.
If you only skim them, why would you say they don't change them?
Because I was assuming that if they never change the songs that I am always looking for, they don't change their set in general. I was wrong.
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I'm listening to Unplugged right now, and this version of Rooster pummels the Dirt version.
AW YEEEEEEEAAAAHH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHH
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Just so everyone here knows, the Alice In Chains survivor is up and running.
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Gawd I loved "Down in A Hole" I played the holy hell out of that one. Classic
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Just lettin' everyone know that I'm in the third place for most Alice In Chains listens worldwide on Last.fm. I am #3 out of 923,652. :2metal:
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Just lettin' everyone know that I'm in the third place for most Alice In Chains listens worldwide on Last.fm. I am #3 out of 923,652. :2metal:
NICE :metal
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I am seeing Alice in Chains play with Stone Temple Pilots on Sunday. :)
Here's to hoping they play DiaH
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Saw them April 21st in Raleigh. Great show.
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Saw them April 21st in Raleigh. Great show.
Missed that one despite living just 25 miles away AND having a ticketmaster gift card. FUCKING JOB! >:(
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Saw them April 21st in Raleigh. Great show.
Missed that one despite living just 25 miles away AND having a ticketmaster gift card. FUCKING JOB! >:(
That SUCKS. I mold my life around concerts, so I try for that kind of stuff not to happen.
I am seeing Alice in Chains play with Stone Temple Pilots on Sunday. :)
Here's to hoping they play DiaH
:censored /jealousy
One of my teachers'll be there. Wish I could go... I missed Stone Temple Pilots last night one hour away from me, because of no money. :(
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Necro'd.
I see that no one in this thread has mentioned Sap. Great EP that every AIC fan needs to listen to.
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Yes. Yes it is.
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Necro'd.
I see that no one in this thread has mentioned Sap. Great EP that every AIC fan needs to listen to.
It's my least favorite Alice in Chains release, but it's still great.
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Sap>>>>Jar of Flies
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Sap>>>>Jar of Flies
No. But Sap is good.
Dirt
Jar of Flies/Black Gives Way to Blue
Facelift/Sap
Alice in Chains
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No matter what mood I'm in, I can always listen to Dirt or Jar Of Flies.
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1. Dirt
2. Facelift
3. Jar of Flies
4. Black Gives Way to Blue
5. Alice in Chains
6. Sap
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1. Dirt
2. Facelift
3. Black Gives Way To Blue
4. Alice In Chains
EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
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Dirt
Jar of Flies
Facelift
Sap
Black Gives Way to Blue
Alice in Chains
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Facelift
Dirt
unplugged
black gives away to blue
alice in chains
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Rankings, eh?
1. Jar of Flies
2. Dirt
3. S/T
4. Facelift
5. Sap
Never did check out Black Gives Way to Blue. Probably should do that some time.
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Rankings, eh?
1. Jar of Flies
2. Dirt
3. S/T
4. Facelift
5. Sap
Never did check out Black Gives Way to Blue. Probably should do that some time.
You definitely should. It definitely surpassed my expectations.
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Yeah, so I gave BGWTB a listen.
All I have to say is that this album solidifies Jerry Cantrell in the top echelon of riff-masters.
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Yes. Yes it does. It is not Layne, but that does not mean it is not as rocking as any album with him.
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EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
Jar of Flies is more solid than most full length albums I own so I'm gonna disagree with that.
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EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
Jar of Flies is more solid than most full length albums I own so I'm gonna disagree with that.
I agree with you... but you can't disagree with that... they're not albums. Not trying to play devil's advocate, but you can't rank EPs in an album ranking. It's like ranking pineapples with vegetables because pineapples are better than most vegetables. They're different.
Personally, I was just ranking albums, if I was gonna rank all their material I'd include it.
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EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
Jar of Flies is more solid than most full length albums I own so I'm gonna disagree with that.
I agree with you... but you can't disagree with that... they're not albums. Not trying to play devil's advocate, but you can't rank EPs in an album ranking. It's like ranking pineapples with vegetables because pineapples are better than most vegetables. They're different.
Personally, I was just ranking albums, if I was gonna rank all their material I'd include it.
It's a freaking internet forum, you don't have to be so pragmatic about it.
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EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
Jar of Flies is more solid than most full length albums I own so I'm gonna disagree with that.
I agree with you... but you can't disagree with that... they're not albums. Not trying to play devil's advocate, but you can't rank EPs in an album ranking. It's like ranking pineapples with vegetables because pineapples are better than most vegetables. They're different.
Personally, I was just ranking albums, if I was gonna rank all their material I'd include it.
It's a freaking internet forum, you don't have to be so pragmatic about it.
When I reread I thought the same thing :lol
Sorry if I overdid it there... I didn't mean for that to come off as uptight or something... but it probably did.
INTRNT = SRSBSNS
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EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
Jar of Flies is more solid than most full length albums I own so I'm gonna disagree with that.
I agree with you... but you can't disagree with that... they're not albums. Not trying to play devil's advocate, but you can't rank EPs in an album ranking. It's like ranking pineapples with vegetables because pineapples are better than most vegetables. They're different.
Personally, I was just ranking albums, if I was gonna rank all their material I'd include it.
It's a freaking internet forum, you don't have to be so pragmatic about it.
When I reread I thought the same thing :lol
Sorry if I overdid it there... I didn't mean for that to come off as uptight or something... but it probably did.
INTRNT = SRSBSNS
:lol No big deal really.
In other news, Duvall sounds so much like Layne that it's pretty damn hard to tell them apart on much of BGWTB.
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^I think he sounds a lot like him too. I mean I can definitely tell them apart, but Duvall "fits" the band's sound about as well as Staley, and for mostly the same reasons.
BGWTB surpassed my expectations too; great album.
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I thought they sounded similar too, but I can easily distinguish between them now.
Kinda like when I first heard AC/DC. Bon Scott's and Brian Johnon's voices sounded very similar to me, but now I can distinguish between them very easily.
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They sound waaaaaaaay different, ACDC I mean. Layne and Duvall definately have a similar sound but they have their own thing about them. I think Duvall is a better singer ( A Looking in View) but Layne is much grittier (Bleed the Freak)
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Damn, I love this band so much. Layne was one of the greatest vocalist of all time, imo. His performance on Love, Hate, Love is so amazing...
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The vocals in the chorus of Man In The Box, specifically the 'FAAAAAAYYY -AY AY AYD, MY EEEEEYYYYYYYESSS!' is the most badass sounding thing ever. (yes I know it's feed)
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That man was amazing. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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That man was amazing. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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EPs aren't really albums, so I didn't rank EPs.
Jar of Flies is more solid than most full length albums I own so I'm gonna disagree with that.
I agree with you... but you can't disagree with that... they're not albums. Not trying to play devil's advocate, but you can't rank EPs in an album ranking. It's like ranking pineapples with vegetables because pineapples are better than most vegetables. They're different.
Personally, I was just ranking albums, if I was gonna rank all their material I'd include it.
It's still an album, it's just a shorter one. It's however much material they produced in one studio session and decided to release. We're not talking a single with 3 or 4 B-sides on it.
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Apparently, Mike Starr, the band's original bassist, died today. I'm not sure how true this is. Someone said it in a Blabbermouth comment and his Wikipedia page says he died today. But that's just Wikipedia and one Blabbermouth poster, so who knows.
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Sad as it is, it is indeed true:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/former-alice-chains-rocker-mike-starr-dies-20110308-162246-653.html
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Shit sucks.
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:( Sad day. I'm gonna go play through the Dirt album(:heart) on Bass in his honor.
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Sucks :(
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Damn. The man came up with some great bass-lines that's for sure.
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So sad to hear about Mike. :'(
I love Alice In Chains, and I'm anxiously waiting for their next album.
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i love listening to would? by opeth and anselmo
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Rest in peace Mike.
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Nutshell is so amazing...
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Nutshell is so amazing...
Yes, I agree.
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I listened to all of Jar of Flies last night.
Music doesn't get much more emotionally draining than that.
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Zander and I realized something tonight.
This board needs moar Alice in Chains.
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Zander and I realized something tonight.
This board needs moar Alice in Chains.
Yeah.
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I decided I'm doing an AiC top 20 starting tomorrow. Who's interested?
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MEMEMEMEMEMEMEEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME
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Well I know that :P
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I'm interested.
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Nice. I'm always down for a top 50.
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Top 50? :lol That would be like all of their songs.
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Me. As long as you have listened to the 2 EPs, I think it will be a fun list.
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I can't say anyone is allowed to be a fan of Alice in Chains if they haven't heard the EPs.
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I can't say anyone is allowed to be a fan of Alice in Chains if they haven't heard the EPs.
Truth.
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Good. So, real quick, here would be my top 20 in no order.
We Die Young
Man in the Box
Bleed the Freak
I Can’t Remember
It Ain’t Like That
Brother
Got Me Wrong
Them Bones
Rain When I Die
Down in a Hole
Angry Chair
Would?
Rotten Apple
Nutshell
No Excuses
Heaven Beside You
Again
All Secrets Known
Private Hell
Black Gives Way to Blue
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Also, Alice in Chains announced this week that they have a major tour announcement to make on Monday.
My guess:
Opening for Soundgarden on a US tour.
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That would be amazing.
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That was rumored since Soundgarden announced they would be reuniting. This was around the time BGWTB was coming out though, so...yeah.
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Also, Alice in Chains announced this week that they have a major tour announcement to make on Monday.
My guess:
Opening for Soundgarden on a US tour.
If that happens... I am going. I don't care where it is.
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I listened through my AIC box set this week on my commute back and forth to work. So much awesome, definitely one of my favorite bands ever.
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Last year I ran the Alice In Chains survivor in February I think, but this year I've been much busier with school and also work now, so if someone wants to inherit the survivor, the first one to reply can have it.
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Bumping this thread again because I'm drunk and listening to this band and they're the best evar.
Nutshell :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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:hefdaddy + :sadpanda: + :( + :hefdaddy = Nutshell
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Basically it's the greatest song ever amirite
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I was gonna do a top 15 a while back. I might wanna get on that.
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I was gonna do a top 15 a while back. I might wanna get on that.
I'll follow for sure :tup
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Same.
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Please do.
I said I was going to do one a while back, but I was really drunk and forgot about it.
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Aww I lost my old list. Guess I'll just have to make a new one.
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I was gonna do a top 15 a while back. I might wanna get on that.
:corn :corn :corn
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I was gonna do a top 15 a while back. I might wanna get on that.
I'll follow for sure :tup
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There's a girl that goes to my college who's name is Lanie Staley.
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Have sex with her.
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pooper nao
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i love teh way layne signs in one time
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I listened to Black Gives Way to Blue recently. I need to listen to it more. It's not classic AiC, but it's still a very good album imo.
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I need to go ahead and get in on this AIC thread. Great band.
SO HARMONIES!!!
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Might as well start my top 15 here:
[15] All Secrets Known
I'll fully admit to having not completely digested Blue Gives Way To Black but in my first few listens there was a few standout tracks. "All Secrets Known" is the most notable for some reason I can't quite place but I think it has to do with how raw the guitars blend together and how even after a decade and a half and minus a member the dark, dirty Alice In Chains sound still finds a way to sound fresh. Definitely not as complex as some of their early songs but it's compact and interesting enough where it doesn't overstay its welcome, my only slight problem with "A Looking In View".
[14] We Die Young
Now going all the way back to Facelift, this opening track harks back to the time where the band still fancied them a heavy metal group. What makes this track enjoyable is that rawness and how fast paced the song is. You get slammed with a verse, chorus and guitar solo of sorts within the first minute, but it's all so smooth and energetic. Nothing's perfected as far as their sound goes but it sticks true and delivers on the basic levels. A perfect set up to some great tracks not only on the rest of the album but the rest of their discography.
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Badass and badass. :metal
Look forward to seeing more.
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Thread resurrection.
So I recently got Jar of Flies and... Wow. I'm thoroughly impressed. Can't believe I didn't check this band out anytime sooner. Nutshell is an impossibly good song...
Any suggestion on which album to get after JoF? My expectation is really high at this point.
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Thread resurrection.
So I recently got Jar of Flies and... Wow. I'm thoroughly impressed. Can't believe I didn't check this band out anytime sooner. Nutshell is an impossibly good song...
Any suggestion on which album to get after JoF? My expectation is really high at this point.
Dirt
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Thread resurrection.
So I recently got Jar of Flies and... Wow. I'm thoroughly impressed. Can't believe I didn't check this band out anytime sooner. Nutshell is an impossibly good song...
Any suggestion on which album to get after JoF? My expectation is really high at this point.
Dirt
Dirt is their best. Also, though I'm sure you're aware of this already, expect a heavier sound from many songs on their full-length albums.
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Dirt of if you dig Jar of Flies, you will definitely dig Sap.
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Thread resurrection.
So I recently got Jar of Flies and... Wow. I'm thoroughly impressed. Can't believe I didn't check this band out anytime sooner. Nutshell is an impossibly good song...
Any suggestion on which album to get after JoF? My expectation is really high at this point.
As with others, go with DIRT. but it is heavier. All the regular albums are heavy. the EPs are more acoustic-based.
Also, Nutshell is good on the album, but if you want to hear an emotionally jarring version of the song, get the Alice in Chains unplugged album. When listening to "Nutshell" kick that off, listen to the lyrics, and then remember how Layne Staley died. It was like he was delivering his own eulogy. And you can tell that he knew he was going to lose the battle. One of the more gut wrenching, emotional vocal performances I have ever heard.
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Time to necro this thread. The new single "Hollow" is coming out tomorrow, and the new album should be out in March or April. Can't wait :metal
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Didn't know there was a DTF AiC thread - awesome! Even though I still haven't listened to BGWTB yet (very long boring story), they're still one of my favorite bands of all time.
For those of you saying Cantrell is a riff master... eh, he's a riff GOD. You also owe it to yourself to check out the double disc Degradation Trip album - music is just unreal.
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New track:
Alice In Chains -- Hollow (Fan Lyric Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tmbv9ePGQo
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Didn't know there was a DTF AiC thread - awesome! Even though I still haven't listened to BGWTB yet (very long boring story), they're still one of my favorite bands of all time.
For those of you saying Cantrell is a riff master... eh, he's a riff GOD. You also owe it to yourself to check out the double disc Degradation Trip album - music is just unreal.
If you like Cantrell's solo stuff that much, you really should check out BGWTB.
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New track:
Alice In Chains -- Hollow (Fan Lyric Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tmbv9ePGQo
Phenomenal song. I love this band so much. Can't wait for the new album!!!
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If you like Cantrell's solo stuff that much, you really should check out BGWTB.
Yeah, I know. Like I said, long boring story. :jets:
New track:
Alice In Chains -- Hollow (Fan Lyric Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tmbv9ePGQo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tmbv9ePGQo)
Ooo - very sludgy and appropriately dark sounding. Not bad. Not bad at all.
Edit - I may have to listen to that about 20 more times tonight. :jets:
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The new album's gonna be called "The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here." ??? :\
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WELL HE DID!
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I actually think it's a pretty cool title. Certainly sounds like something Jerry would come up with.
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I actually think it's a pretty cool title. Certainly sounds like something Jerry would come up with.
Yeah, I totally agree - that's a Jerry title if I've ever heard one.
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God damn, that video got my nipples hard.
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:lol
For those who are interested, the 2013 Alice in Chains discography survivor is going on right NOW! :metal
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Out May 14th.
(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/alicdinosaurs.png)
* Voices
* Low Ceiling
* Stone
* The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
* Hollow
* Lab Monkey
* Hung On A Hook
* Pretty Done
* Breath On A Window
* Choke
* Phantom Limb
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187780&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187780&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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:metal If any of the other songs are as dirty and groovy as Hollow then this is going to be one hell of an album.
Was the album before this Black and Blue? I liked that album but...didn't really love it aside from a few tracks. I like Hollow more than anything on that album though, so that's either going to be a great sign or I'm going to be disappointed. :lol
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Kind of a boring album cover, but eh, whatever. If it can top Black Gives Way To Blue, that'd be awesome. That's one of my favorite reunion/comeback albums by a band ever, and my second favorite AiC release.
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The new single "Stone" comes out tomorrow. Here's a preview:
https://loudwire.com/alice-in-chains-new-single-stone/ (https://loudwire.com/alice-in-chains-new-single-stone/)
Sounds utterly fantastic btw.
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New song is pretty bad-ass :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EMY-jZ9DaKs
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UNF!!! :metal Album is still too far off.
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Apparently a Seattle station played "Stone" as well as "Phantom Limb" yesterday. I've really enjoyed "Hollow" and "Stone" but "Phantom Limb" is :o
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Phantom Limb. FUCK. :metal
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didn't really care for Black Gives Way To Blue or whatever. anyone else? still will check this out. i mean, it wasn't bad, just wasn't spectacular.
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didn't really care for Black Gives Way To Blue or whatever. anyone else? still will check this out. i mean, it wasn't bad, just wasn't spectacular.
Disagree with you hard. Black Gives Way To Blue was fantastic.
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didn't really care for Black Gives Way To Blue or whatever. anyone else? still will check this out. i mean, it wasn't bad, just wasn't spectacular.
I agree in the sense that I don't find any AIC album spectacular. But I do enjoy it as much as the first two albums, the self titled one is the only album that never clicked for me and always sounded like the band tried to imitate Nirvana :huh:
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Self titled sounds nothing like Nirvana.
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Self titled sounds nothing like Nirvana.
Not like Nirvana, but like a Metal band trying to imitate Nirvana ;)
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How? They've had sludgy heavy stuff from day one. They hardly belong in the same sentence as Nirvana and that's coming from a full-fledged Nirvana fan that loves them to this day.
12000th post!!!
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Don't take my opinion too seriously since I only listen to Nirvana and AIC casually ;)
I think their self titled album is less heavy than than the first two, it's the only one I'd call "pure Grunge" and has less of the unique AIC sound. I took Nirvana as an example because they are often regarded as the definition of Grunge.
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Hollow is not bad (heard it many times by now), but Stone is fucking awesome! Haven't heard Phantom Limb, gonna try to find it now though.
-J
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Hollow is not bad (heard it many times by now), but Stone is fucking awesome! Haven't heard Phantom Limb, gonna try to find it now though.
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I feel the opposite.
"Stone" is okay, "Hollow" was pure AiC goodness. :)
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They're a metal band trying to imitate King's X and have as much as said so repeatedly. AIC and Nirvana have as much in common as dolphins and airplanes.
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Yeah I'm definitely a casual AIC fan; and I feel just about the same regarding Nirvana. That said, I've never, ever considered the two alike in any way. In fact, before I was poisoned by the labels of genres, which I now kind of hate the entire concept of, I thought of them as almost opposites. Nirvana had songs that could put me to in a kind of...drone state of just getting lost in the music, and then wake me up with some very angst-ridden choruses. AIC did the same, but almost exactly opposite in that they were mostly angst and hardcore and sludgy and then had moments of bliss and comfort.
I dunno, that's my own take on it; and I haven't heard all of the songs from either band by the bye, so this is a very casual fan's take on both. But from the songs I've heard (assume I've heard all of the popular ones along with some of their beginning material that is perhaps lesser known or less popular), this is my naive little opinion...just a bit of a cautionary before some avid fan of either band rapes my facehole to shut me up because I've labeled them wrongly or have described what they consider to be a poor description of the music... Another disclaimer: I'm drunk and I don't give a fuck about shit. That shit I took. I'm not even going to flush it cause I'm paying homage to Earth. So fuck, man. Just fuck.
I'm still just listening to Hollow. Stone was alright, I didn't much care for it to be honest though, I just really wanted to like it. Haven't heard Phantom Limb but the name sounds awesome especially cause METALGEARSOLIDFIVEOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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They're a metal band trying to imitate King's X and have as much as said so repeatedly. AIC and Nirvana have as much in common as dolphins and airplanes.
The Jets and Dolphins are both AFC East teams?
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Stone and Phantom Limb are :omg: This album is gonna rule hard.
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They're a metal band trying to imitate King's X and have as much as said so repeatedly. AIC and Nirvana have as much in common as dolphins and airplanes.
Um... HUH? I think I need a 10 buck bag of what you're smoking. :lol
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Word. Not to pile on here or insinuate that they never said that, but I've never heard anyone mention this before and I've been a fan since '96. Link please?
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I've been a fan since late 1992/early 1993 and I don't think that EVER came up on the old Jerry Cantrell board (if it did, I probably missed it).
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I seem to recall King's X possibly being mentioned as an influence, but I've never heard anything as strong as "imitate."
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I seem to recall King's X possibly being mentioned as an influence, but I've never heard anything as strong as "imitate."
See... now THAT makes a little more sense.
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Interestingly enough, Dime said King's X influenced the clean tone arpeggio part for Cemetery Gates' verse.
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Never heard that one.
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It was in Guitar World several years ago.
This was the best I could do on short notice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimebag_Darrell#Influences_and_guitar_skills
Dimebag mentioned in an interview with Guitar World that the clean chord passages in the intro to Cemetery Gates were influenced by the clean chordal passages found in much of Ty Tabor's (King's X) playing.
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Aha. Must've missed that, then. :tup
In other news... it's so hard to believe it's been 11 years. :'(
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Aha. Must've missed that, then. :tup
In other news... it's so hard to believe it's been 11 years. :'(
19 years for Kurt today too. So crazy we lost them both on the same exact day, just 8 years apart.
R.I.P good sirs.
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Yeah... no kidding. RIP Kurt and Layne. :'(
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AIC - Twenty-Three "Documentary"
https://youtu.be/7ZjDJZQfThA
This is so awesome! :lol :metal
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Hard to be an influence when King's X's first album came out in 88 and AIC in 90. AIC had their distinct sound right out of the gate. I am a fan of both bands but I think the influence came from somewhere else.
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AIC - Twenty-Three "Documentary"
https://youtu.be/7ZjDJZQfThA
This is so awesome! :lol :metal
:lol That was pretty funny. "I was on their forum ironically."
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Hard to be an influence when King's X's first album came out in 88 and AIC in 90. AIC had their distinct sound right out of the gate. I am a fan of both bands but I think the influence came from somewhere else.
It was a hodgepodge of a lot of different styles/musical influences. Jerry said that a lot of the weird harmonies between him and Layne came from Jerry's love of Gregorian chords in his choir days, and Jerry was also a fan of a lot of different music - country, classic rock, etc.
As far as nailing everything down? Yeah, that hasn't happened since the band's salad days back in the 90s. :lol
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I remember an interview with the band (I think it was at a waterpark on Headbangers Ball), and they were asked about a new album. I think it was Cantrelll's response, "We are waiting for the next Kings X album to see what they do".
I always took that as a joke yes, but also as a show of respect for Kings X.
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Jerry Cantrell in a Speedo :metal
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Oh hell yeah. :metal
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"Stone" on Kimmel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SNZPr4Mvhkc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SNZPr4Mvhkc)
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Is it just me, or did the capture sound really shitty?
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Is it just me, or did the capture sound really shitty?
Yeah, I should have posted this one but I didn't see it right away. There's also some bonus performances in the link.
https://beta.abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video/PL5520981/_m_VD55296096 (https://beta.abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video/PL5520981/_m_VD55296096)
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They are just soo good. Still sound great live.
AIC are one of my all time favorite bands, and Dirt is one of my all time favorite albums.
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Is it just me, or did the capture sound really shitty?
Yeah, I should have posted this one but I didn't see it right away. There's also some bonus performances in the link.
https://beta.abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video/PL5520981/_m_VD55296096 (https://beta.abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video/PL5520981/_m_VD55296096)
MUCH better quality, thanks! That said... I think I like Hollow more than Stone but... eh.
Random question - WTF happened to Jerry's HAIR?! :omg: :lol
ETA: Vid for Hollow (https://beta.abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video/PL5520981/_m_VD55296086)
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Man, Jerry looks weird with short hair.
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Man, Jerry looks weird with short hair.
You got that right. :o
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It's easier to dye it when it's that short. :lol
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:lol
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Samples are up on Itunes.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-devil-put-dinosaurs-here/id622941441 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-devil-put-dinosaurs-here/id622941441)
Edit: Pretty good chance this will be my AOTY.
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Ah... release day IS getting close. :tup
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It's on the interwebz. Can't wait to listen.
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Just finished my first listen. It's amazing as I expected, but since there's a lot of long, relatively samey songs it does feel like more of a grower than the last one. I also hoped there would have been more of Duvall singing, but it doesn't detract a whole lot from the album and Cantrell is a great singer.
Highlights so far include Hollow, Stone, Phantom Limb, Pretty Done, Lab Monkey, and Voices.
I'll probably give it an overall score after a few more listens.
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Hmm, I am going to listen to this tomorrow. Can't wait!!!!
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I don't know, adace - BGWtB seems to be more of a grower for me than what I've heard from TDPDH so far.
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I guess my main issue is that BGWtB feels more concise than this record which is why that one clicked more easily with me. That plus BGWtB is one of my all-time favorite records (so yeah, I'm pretty biased there :laugh:).
But anyways, I've been playing the new one some more and I'm digging it more and more. There's really not a bad moment on it and the production is fantastic like on the last one.
I'm leaning towards a 9.5/10 at the moment. This'll make my top 5 list for 2013 easily.
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You know what, though? In anything, it's always "your mileage may vary". :)
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That plus BGWtB is one of my all-time favorite records.
Damn right! :metal
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You know what, though? In anything, it's always "your mileage may vary". :)
Wise words. :tup
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Duvall's vocals on "Hung on a Hook" are just something else. So haunting. Definitely adding that to my list of highlights. Ditto for "Breath on a Window." Such an amazing ending to that song.
Also gotta give major props to "Choke." Definitely has a "Down in a Hole" vibe to it. Perfect album closer.
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PHANTOM LIMB :omg: :hefdaddy
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Album lyrics are all up in anyone's interested.
https://lyrics.wikia.com/Alice_In_Chains:The_Devil_Put_Dinosaurs_Here_%282013%29 (https://lyrics.wikia.com/Alice_In_Chains:The_Devil_Put_Dinosaurs_Here_%282013%29)
Also, this is my 1000th post! :hat
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PHANTOM LIMB :omg: :hefdaddy
:metal Rules! :metal
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Also "Hung on A Hook" :heart is one of their best since coming back IMO. I love Jerry's vocals too but IMO it's time the band let's Duvall show what he can do more often as the lead vocal (the guy has a really strong, killer voice).
Jerry has plenty he can focus on within the band... writing music, riffs, ripping solos and those amazing vocal harmonies the band is famous for. I know Duvall likely feels fine with his position in the band but the guy can really sing and I think the band would be better off with at least, more of a mix of the two leading the vocals. JMO.
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The more I listen to this album the harder it is to find fault with it. Unless Black Sabbath pull solid gold out their ass with 13 (pretty unlikely from what I've heard so far), TDPDH will most likely end being my AOTY.
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I agree. It´s a fantastic album, in my book.
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PHANTOM LIMB :omg: :hefdaddy
:metal Rules! :metal
Yup :2metal:
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Great album :metal
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Totally agreed. IMO, it's eons better than BGWtB.
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(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/My%20Pics/TheDevilPut_floydHere_zpsae68d9bd.jpg) (https://s213.photobucket.com/user/black_floyd_2007/media/My%20Pics/TheDevilPut_floydHere_zpsae68d9bd.jpg.html)
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Totally agreed. IMO, it's eons better than BGWtB.
Just bought TDPDH. Considering BGWtB is one of my favorite albums of all time, yu're making me very excited to get into this new one. ;D
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(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/My%20Pics/TheDevilPut_floydHere_zpsae68d9bd.jpg) (https://s213.photobucket.com/user/black_floyd_2007/media/My%20Pics/TheDevilPut_floydHere_zpsae68d9bd.jpg.html)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :hefdaddy
Totally agreed. IMO, it's eons better than BGWtB.
Just bought TDPDH. Considering BGWtB is one of my favorite albums of all time, yu're making me very excited to get into this new one. ;D
Sorry - I just don't think very highly of BGWtB.
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Yeah, having actually listened to it now, I think I'm in the complete opposite boat from you. The album's alright, but overall it sounds like a much inferior version of BGWtB. It's like they made more of the same, but a few of the songs are missing the great hooks, riffs and choruses that made the other great. I still enjoy 2/3 of the album though.
And the packaging is just really cool, with the red jewel case and such.
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Yeah, having actually listened to it now, I think I'm in the complete opposite boat from you. The album's alright, but overall it sounds like a much inferior version of BGWtB. It's like they made more of the same, but a few of the songs are missing the great hooks, riffs and choruses that made the other great. I still enjoy 2/3 of the album though.
And the packaging is just really cool, with the red jewel case and such.
I really liked BGWtB and I can agree to some extent that TDPDH is by far more of a grower. I like both but feel like TDPDH will be one for me that I have to listen off and on to get into more. It had some songs that clicked with me right away (Stone, Phantom Limb, Lab Monkey, Hung On a Hook) but it didn't grab me instantly quite as strongly as BGWtB as an album. Just my initial impression.
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The single sounded like usual AiC. Which is good. Will check out the album, and from what I hear from people.
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I'm liking the album so far, but man, I wish it wasn't so brickwalled. Makes it hard to listen to.
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Yeah, having actually listened to it now, I think I'm in the complete opposite boat from you. The album's alright, but overall it sounds like a much inferior version of BGWtB. It's like they made more of the same, but a few of the songs are missing the great hooks, riffs and choruses that made the other great. I still enjoy 2/3 of the album though.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. :)
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So for some reason I am now listening to Dirt for the first time. My reaction: :omg: :metal :omg: :metal :omg: HOW HAVE I NOT HEARD THIS SOONER?
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If it makes you feel better, I also got into Alice in chains this spring. It took me years and many, many friends to make me realize this stuff is really good. I enjoyed Dirt the most, although I also love the bleakness and heaviness of their self titled album.
Looking forward to the new one...
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Yeah, having actually listened to it now, I think I'm in the complete opposite boat from you. The album's alright, but overall it sounds like a much inferior version of BGWtB. It's like they made more of the same, but a few of the songs are missing the great hooks, riffs and choruses that made the other great. I still enjoy 2/3 of the album though.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. :)
;D It's all cool. At the very least, I still think the new one's a great release.
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So for some reason I am now listening to Dirt for the first time. My reaction: :omg: :metal :omg: :metal :omg: HOW HAVE I NOT HEARD THIS SOONER?
Seriously? You've NEVER heard Dirt until yesterday?! SCROPPIE, WHERE HAS YUO BEN??!?!11?!? :eek :biggrin:
Dirt is fucking amazing. :metal
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Dirt is fucking amazing. :metal
Understatement
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Yeah, I know it is - but, words haven't been invented to describe how mindblowing the experience is.
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Second listen. Hung On A Hook and Choke are an awesome one-two punch as the album closers. :metal
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Dirt is amazing...I´ve performed ´Would´ live once....that was an experience as well.... :metal
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Dirt is amazing...I´ve performed ´Would´ live once....that was an experience as well.... :metal
Awesome... :2metal:
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So even I finally got around to buying this album. I've listened now three times and must say so far I'm not convinced.
Most of the songs sound kind of samey and just plod along. Where are the riffs that made for so many great songs? This sounds to me more like singer-/songwriter stuff played with distorted guitars than riff-oriented energetic rock music. And to use those vocal harmonies is nice and they are some kind of trademark sound but to use them in almost every song in every verse and every chorus and every fucking bridge? That totally kills any dynamic, at least for my ears.
So far only Phantom Limb sounds good because it has a great riff and sounds much more lively than the rest.
Hopefully this will grow on me, because it would be a shame if this would stay subpar, considering that the next album will mostly not come out for the next five to ten years, if at all.
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Most of the songs sound kind of samey and just plod along. Where are the riffs that made for so many great songs? This sounds to me more like singer-/songwriter stuff played with distorted guitars than riff-oriented energetic rock music. And to use those vocal harmonies is nice and they are some kind of trademark sound but to use them in almost every song in every verse and every chorus and every fucking bridge? That totally kills any dynamic, at least for my ears.
That is my biggest complaint with their new material. Sure, it's a signature sound, but it's nice to actually hear one singer's voice once in a while, not just a wall of sound. And they certainly did it much less back in the day. Let Duvall actually sing some more on his own, I say.
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Most of the songs sound kind of samey and just plod along. Where are the riffs that made for so many great songs? This sounds to me more like singer-/songwriter stuff played with distorted guitars than riff-oriented energetic rock music. And to use those vocal harmonies is nice and they are some kind of trademark sound but to use them in almost every song in every verse and every chorus and every fucking bridge? That totally kills any dynamic, at least for my ears.
That is my biggest complaint with their new material. Sure, it's a signature sound, but it's nice to actually hear one singer's voice once in a while, not just a wall of sound. And they certainly did it much less back in the day. Let Duvall actually sing some more on his own, I say.
I agree with this. "Hung on a Hook" is one of my favorites from this album because of Duvall. Same with "Last Of My Kind" from BGWTB. He needs more chances to shine by himself and I hope Jerry gives it to him next time.
That said, this album is really growing on me. At first, I was disappointed. It was very samey, but repeated listens have shown that despite that, the songs are very good. Maybe not amazing, well, a few get pretty close actually. It's not the best and I don't think it's as good as Facelift or BGWTB, but I like it more than tripod. This is another solid entry in their discography. I do hope next time they try and mix things up more, hopefully with more Duvall-centric songs.
My rankings:
1. Lab Monkey
2. Phantom Limb
3. Stone
4. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
5. Hung On A Hook
6. Choke
7. Pretty Done
8. Breath On A Window
9. Voices
10. Hollow
11. Low Ceiling
12. Scalpel
Those first 6 are all pretty close, actually.
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Pretty much what has been said the last few posts is what the issue is with the new album. Basically one thing that would help is to incorporate DuVall more into the lead vocals as I've noted previously. Also would have helped to have a couple more up-tempo kick ass tunes to break up the mid-tempo or down-tempo songs that fill this album as it does get very samey over the long haul. They really needed something in the vein of Them Bones or We Die Young to slap you in the face along the way.
It's a good album but I feel like there's a lot more that Cantrell and the band can get out of their music and that is my only real disappointment. Having said that the new album is definitely a grower and gets much better given time to pick out the nuances of the individual tracks.
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Echoing the statements made in this thread about Dinos, I really cursed myself by wishing that every track sounded like Hollow, because...they're all far too similar for my tastes. It was a very odd experience for me because I really enjoyed every track...it's just that by the time it was over, I couldn't tell you what each track sounded like or what tracks stood out because they all sound so similar. Not a bad album, and I don't dislike it, but I doubt I'll even try to listen to it again because...well, Hollow was it for me. I dunno how else to explain it... I wasn't a HUGE AIC fan to begin with, and I've almost always picked out a few tracks here and there that I like off their albums and kinda latched onto that one (with the glaring exception of Jar Of Flies, which is entirely beautiful and perfect), and it looks like this will be no different. Very odd experience... On one hand, if they attempted to diversify, maybe the songs that were 'different' would have sucked, but I'd rather them take the chance than play it safe, which they obviously have, very much so.
Either way, they've clearly found their sound. Now they just need to expand it and diversify a bit. Here's hoping the next album will bring something different. This was a good effort, but I was bored halfway through because of the samey-ness of the songs.
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It was a very odd experience for me because I really enjoyed every track...it's just that by the time it was over, I couldn't tell you what each track sounded like or what tracks stood out because they all sound so similar. Not a bad album, and I don't dislike it, but I doubt I'll even try to listen to it again...
This is pretty much how I feel as well. It's really weird. BGWTB was samey too, and yet I could tell you which song is which because the choruses and melodies were still really memorable. And at least that had some slower tunes like "When The Sun Rose Again" and the title track. I did like this album when I heard it, but I don't remember anything from it, and that's bumming me considering how much I love the last one.
I'm cool with the sound they're going with, I just wish they'll diversify a bit next time. Have the song change a bit in the middle like "All Secrets Known", have some atmospheric stripped down stuff like Jar Of Flies or the songs I mentioned before, just... something.
So yeah, TDPDH isn't bad by any means, it's just that it's not very memorable and not anything we haven't heard them do before (and better). It's just kind of middle-of-the-road.
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lyric video for Voices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_sGFjQYow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_sGFjQYow)
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So I discovered Nutsell last week while watching Unplugged for the first time. Probably one of my favorite songs ever. Just incredible.
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lyric video for Voices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_sGFjQYow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_sGFjQYow)
One of my favorites from the album!
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So I discovered Nutsell last week while watching Unplugged for the first time. Probably one of my favorite songs ever. Just incredible.
It really is one of the most beautiful songs ever. :smiley:
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So I discovered Nutsell last week while watching Unplugged for the first time. Probably one of my favorite songs ever. Just incredible.
It's an intense track for sure. One of their best! "I Stay Away" and "No Excuses" are equally good. Hell, all of Jar of Flies is great.
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So I discovered Nutsell last week while watching Unplugged for the first time. Probably one of my favorite songs ever. Just incredible.
The unplugged version of Nutshell is FAR superior to the version on the Sap EP. I'm getting goose bumps just thinking about how much more somber and melancholy it is. What was sad about the Unplugged show, though, is that it painfully showed how frail Layne was. The beginning of the end, really. :sad:
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New to this thread, but been a huge fan for over half my life.
Nutshell is my favorite song from them.
TDPDH is an AMAZING album, cannot stop playing it. Favorite songs off it are Phantom Limb and Low Ceiling.
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I've been seriously into Sea of Sorrow lately. Great track.
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Been listening to Black gives way to blue all day today. Absolutely love this album :metal
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I've been running a train on their whole discography lately too.
The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here is nearly tied with Dirt for best studio album, it's such a great album. Dirt probably beats it by a hair.
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I've been running a train on their whole discography lately too.
The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here is nearly tied with Dirt for best studio album, it's such a great album. Dirt probably beats it by a hair.
That's the first time I've heard someone be so positive about it. I was pretty disappointed with it, to be honest.
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Devil is an amazing album but still not as good as BGWTB (my favorite one from them). Regardless, it's by far my 2013 AOTY.
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I've been running a train on their whole discography lately too.
The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here is nearly tied with Dirt for best studio album, it's such a great album. Dirt probably beats it by a hair.
That's the first time I've heard someone be so positive about it. I was pretty disappointed with it, to be honest.
Yeah it took a month or 2 to grow on me but when it hit, it hit hard!
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Devil is an amazing album but still not as good as BGWTB (my favorite one from them). Regardless, it's by far my 2013 AOTY.
About the same here. I love every song on BGWTB, but I only really like half of TDPDH, and even then, those tracks are hard to remember.
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Low Ceiling and Phantom Limb are 2 of my favorite AIC tracks. Soo good!
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Devil is great but I also like Black gives way to Blue better.
Just an amazing album from start to finish. It's going to be hard for them to top that one IMO but I hope they never ever stop making music!
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No Excuses acoustic at Guitar Center Session:
https://youtu.be/H6H_csNeZeY
They also did a great version of Your Decision acoustic but it's not online. :(
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Seen the band several times, including their "Acoustic Hour" tour in 2007. Although I love the full power of their electric sets they always have sounded wonderful "unplugged" as well.
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Bump
I've been listening to Unplugged a lot as of late. I've always liked AIC but only got Unplugged recently and it's floored me. Something vulnerable in Layne's voice that makes it bittersweet.
I guess it doesn't help since it's been a hair over 13 years since he died :(
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Rotten Apple is the most vulnerable I've heard from Layne and it's probably my favorite song they've ever recorded because of that. Followed up by Nutshell they're probably the darkest 1-2 punch in the catalog.
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Funny this thread came up, I was on an AIC kick last week. Phantom Limb on repeat. Jar of Flies and BGWTB were in rotation too. I love Jar of Flies so much. Such a sad, somber and beautiful release.
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Today being the 14th anniversary of Layne Staley's death, I thought it would be appropriate to bring this thread back around.
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So I'm also one of those fans that came late to loving this band. Growing up on 70s hard rock and 80s metal, I was completely dismissive of anything 90s grunge. Big mistake because AiC totally hits the spot. It's like hippy metal with elements of psychedelia, a distinct sense of melody and some of the most unique harmonies I've ever heard. Jerry Cantrell is like the Jimmy Page of this era. :hat
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Facelift, Dirt and black gives way to blue have been on heavy rotation lately. Its been an Alice in chains summer :metal
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I too was very anti-grunge for a long time, but I've since seen the light and realized there is some very good grunge out there, AIC included. I've been enjoying Facelift a lot recently, Confusion is such a cool song. Also, Jerry's solo in Man in the Box doesn't get enough credit. It's so cool and there's so many neat licks in there.
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Alice In Chains isn't the typical grunge band (on the other hand, who is?). I think they were labeled as grunge mostly because they came from Seattle and didn't sound like a hair metal band.
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I bought Facelift when it came out. I loved We Die Young. They actually reminded me of Armored Saint at the time
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I still don't understand the definition of grunge. For me they sound like an alternative rock band, sometimes hard rock.
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Great band, Facelift is my favorite album by them - Love, Hate, Love is dark as hell! :metal I love AIC's acoustic side too, and Jar of Flies might be the best EP I've ever heard. Layne's death was very unfortunate, but luckily they've managed to make good stuff with Duvall too.
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I still don't understand the definition of grunge. For me they sound like an alternative rock band, sometimes hard rock.
I haven't understood it either to this day. The wikipedia description for instance doesn't really describe it in my opinion. I think every band that came out of Seattle end of 80s/beginning of 90s and every band that wore flanel shirts was labeled grunge.
Especially in AiC there's a lot of classic rock/hard rock/metal influence with an alternative touch.
Great band, Facelift is my favorite album by them - Love, Hate, Love is dark as hell! :metal I love AIC's acoustic side too, and Jar of Flies might be the best EP I've ever heard. Layne's death was very unfortunate, but luckily they've managed to make good stuff with Duvall too.
For me, Dirt is the best them. But the rest isn't shabby either. And yes, good stuff with Duvall but some of the magic of the earlier records is missing. And they could release an album more often than every five or so years.
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Dirt is my favorite as well, and I would put Facelift second. I love all of their albums up to The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here, which was kind of a letdown for me. I feel like Jerry got stuck in a bit of a rut, songwriting-wise.
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The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here was a big letdown when I first heard it. It has grown on me a bit and now I think it's a good record, but I still consider it the least best of AiC. Too much plodding songs, too few exciting riffs, there's just something missing.
My ranking would probably look like this:
Dirt
Alice In Chains
Facelift
Jar Of Flies (EP)
Black Gives Way To Blue
Sap (EP)
The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
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1. Dirt
2. Facelift
3. Jar Of Flies (EP)
4. Alice In Chains
5. Black Gives Way To Blue
6. Sap (EP)
7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
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I don't understand why Sap gets so little recognition. Is it just because it's so short? It's been a while since I listened to it but I thought it was really great, Brother and Right Turn are fantastic songs. As great as Jar of Flies is, I think I might like Sap more, simply because most of Jar of Flies is so dark and depressing.
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Sap is really short and I have to rank it somewhere but being near the bottom doesn't mean it's bad. In fact I like Sap a lot, Brother and Got Me Wrong are stellar tunes, the rest is decent, apart from the "hidden" track, which is more of a joke.
The dark and depressing themes and moods are what makes AiC so great. They wouldn't work as a happy band imo.
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1. Facelift
2. Jar of flies
3. Dirt
4. Unplugged in NY
5. Black gives way to blue
6. Self titled
7. The devil put dinosaurs here
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Yeah I definitely get that the dark and depressing themes were what AIC were all about and what they did best, I'm just not always in the mood for something like Rotten Apple or Nutshell. Their songs in that vein are amazing, I just find the songs that are less depressive more accessible.
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Facelift
Dirt
Jar Of Flies
The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
Sap
Black Gives Way To Blue
Alice In Chains
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I don't understand why Sap gets so little recognition. Is it just because it's so short? It's been a while since I listened to it but I thought it was really great, Brother and Right Turn are fantastic songs. As great as Jar of Flies is, I think I might like Sap more, simply because most of Jar of Flies is so dark and depressing.
The shortness is defnitely a factor. I'm not sure it would make it any higher in my rankings even if it had a couple more songs, though. That's not a knock on Sap--I enjoy it a lot--the other albums just have a lot of great material. Where I'm kind of waffling is whether I like Black Gives Way to Blue or the self-titled album better. I need to give each another listen to know for sure.
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Had Jar Of Flies been a full length, it would surely be a contender for first place for me.
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Minority opinion but self-titled may actually be my favorite. Perhaps that's a bit of nostalgia influence since that was the first album to be released after I became a fan of the band.
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1 - Jar Of Flies
2 - Dirt
3 - Facelift
4 - Black Gives Way To Blue
5 - Tripod
6 - SAP
7 - Devil Put Dinosaurs
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Late to the party here, but Sap is my favorite by a lot, then the debut, then Jar. Dirt is an amazing work of art but it's not something I listen to a lot because it's just so damn bleak.
I will say this, though, I saw the latest incarnation on a festival tour with Jane's Addiction last year or so (maybe two years) and while I went for Jane's, I stood about four feet in front of Jerry the entire show and he is phe-nom-en-al. Really, really good guitar player live.
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I think Dirt is their pinnacle, and one of my fav of all time. This position is augmented by the circumstances of that particular time in my life, but I think it is amazing.
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My two favorite projects by this band are easily Jar of Flies and Sap. Dirt is also great, but I have it just under those two.
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As has been pointed out in this thread, AiC albums can be quite bleak, but somehow I find their music to be uplifting in a weird way.
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I also find the bleakness uplifting. If I am having a terrible point in my life or whatever, I turn to AIC and they make it sooo much easier to get through.
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So I just checked out some videos with AIC with William and i have to say he is awesome. I'd see them in a heartbeat if they came around here.
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Going through high school as the grunge scene exploded here, I put AiC slightly behind Pearl Jam, and way above Nirvana and everyone else in grunge bands I listened to. Though my primary genre was classic rock back then.
There are maybe 5 songs I can remember when and where I was the first time I heard them. Don't Follow is one of them. The DJ didn't say the song name or artist, and pre-internet, it took forever to figure out what the song was. But I never forgot those chords, melodies and lyrics. Listening to that song now still gives me chills.
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^Love that song^
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The dark and depressing themes and moods are what makes AiC so great. They wouldn't work as a happy band imo.
Ding! This fella gets it!
I also find the bleakness uplifting. If I am having a terrible point in my life or whatever, I turn to AIC and they make it sooo much easier to get through.
So does this one, and I wholeheartedly agree.
There are maybe 5 songs I can remember when and where I was the first time I heard them. Don't Follow is one of them. The DJ didn't say the song name or artist, and pre-internet, it took forever to figure out what the song was. But I never forgot those chords, melodies and lyrics. Listening to that song now still gives me chills.
*Deb is getting goosebumps as she types*
The first time I heard "Don't Follow" I fell in love with Jerry's plaintive but heartfelt vocals... until Layne's kicked in. Good GOD that man could belt stuff out. It was about at "scared to death" that I almost started crying. Layne's tone was so dark, bleak, and depressingly beautiful. What a loss to the music world.
I might have posted this story - if not, I'll post it again. It's also related to Jar of Flies, but involves "No Excuses". I was still living with my dad at the time, and for some weird reason he was throwing me crap about how AiC was nothing but shit, death, evil... anyway... I made him listen to "No Excuses" while he read the lyrics. He apologized to me after the song was over. Dad usually never reacted like that either - I chalk it up to who he was with at the time exerting a not so nice influence on him. He figured it out.
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I love Black gives way to blue from beginning to end, but with the exception of a few stand out tracks I don't think The devil put dinosaurs here is all that great.
I am definitely looking forward to what they will put out next and I am definitely planning on seeing them.
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When dinosaurs came out I was very disappointed. I've warmed up to it a bit but I still consider it their weakest effort, some good songs but mostly mediocre.
Still exvited for everything new they will put out.
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I think Jerry just got a little too stuck in his songwriting formula with Dinosaurs. And the production bothers me a lot too. Hopefully they think outside the box a little bit next time they release something.
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I Think dinosaurs could use some editing. There are good and even great songs in it, but a lot of filler, too.
My tracklist:
Hollow
Stone
Lab Monkey
TDPDH
Scalpel
Phantom Limb (my favorite)
Breath On a Window
Hung on a Hook
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I'm still very disappointed by Dinosaurs. Even if I removed my least favorite songs, it would hardly be a great album.
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As has been pointed out in this thread, AiC albums can be quite bleak, but somehow I find their music to be uplifting in a weird way.
Sorry to be quoting and commenting on something from six months ago but I just saw this. Their music was definitely bleak (and, beautifully so). But, they definitely had a sense of humor. Check out YT for clips of them on MTV's Headbanger's Ball. They spent one episode at Action Park (NJ water park) with the host. Funny dudes!
Out of all the Seattle bands from that time, they're the one I go back to the most. 'Facelift' is still in pretty heavy rotation for me.
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The action park clips are incredible and then there's another headbangers ball where its a goof on them "post success" and they are in this mansion with pipes and smoking jackets acting like rich snobs :lol Oh man I love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nhfjFqjoNY
Shit like that makes me love them even more. :heart
Their music definitely has the bleak element to it, but man does it make me feel better when I am having a shitty day or shitty couple of days. There music helps alot on those darker days.
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The action park clips are incredible and then there's another headbangers ball where its a goof on them "post success" and they are in this mansion with pipes and smoking jackets acting like rich snobs :lol Oh man I love it.
I wasn't sure if that was the same episode or not. Haven't seen them since they originally aired. If I remember correctly, they do a pretty good job of clowning Riki Rachtman.
I miss Layne's musical contributions a helluva lot more than Kurt Cobain's. Their Unplugged is a favorite of mine. He looks so frail. But, his performance during it was still amazing.
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Dinosaurs was a downer. I thought Phantom Limb, Stone, and Hollow were the best of the record. I thought the album was really missing a few aggressive tunes, which would have made the album a lot more dynamic.
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WTF? What's with the dislike for Dinosaurs? I LOVE that album, especially Phantom Limb and the title track.
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Where's the love for Low Ceiling?? Easily one of the best tracks on that album.
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Standout tracks for me on dinosaurs:
1. Hallow
2. Stone - crazy addictive, gets stuck in my head for days (I am not a cornerstone in a palace for you) GOD I love it
3. Voices - Just solid
4. Breath on a window- probably my favorite song on the album. That middle/end part where it shifts into a totally different song and that beautiful subtle guitar part as the song fades out :heart
I also like Phantom limb, hung on a hook and choke
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Yeah I definitely get that the dark and depressing themes were what AIC were all about and what they did best,
AM I INSIDE! They don't get much darker than that for me. LOVE that song. That riff maaaaan.....
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So, for whatever reason. I never got around to buying the Tripod album until just now. Its not bad. Not on the level of the material that proceeded it, but Layne was going through a lot of shit at the time, so I am not going to be too judgmental.
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WTF? What's with the dislike for Dinosaurs? I LOVE that album, especially Phantom Limb and the title track.
I like the title track, it is probably 4th for me. But after that, the record is just filler. It needed some more aggressive stuff.
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The dino album is the only AIC album I can actually get through without going "meh" and turning it off. I absolutely love Stone.
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I bow down on my hands and knees and worship Sunshine from Facelift :hefdaddy
If I hand to pick a theme song to my life at the moment. It would be sunshine
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I saw them a couple years ago for the first time and I was surprised they played that one. Good song!
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GREAT song. Could be my favorite AiC song.
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Add another fist in the air for "Sunshine." Love it. :metal
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Listening to Facelift right now.
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Any love for Real Thing? One of my top favorite AIC tunes
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For me, it gets no better than Facelift. There's not a song on there that I don't like. In fact, most of them, I love. Trying to pick a favorite song, I thought "definitely 'We Die Young'". Then, I thought, "but, then, there's "Sea Of Sorrow". And, "Bleed The Freak". It just goes on and on!
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Any love for Real Thing? One of my top favorite AIC tunes
Hell yeah, that song rocks
For me, it gets no better than Facelift. There's not a song on there that I don't like. In fact, most of them, I love. Trying to pick a favorite song, I thought "definitely 'We Die Young'". Then, I thought, "but, then, there's "Sea Of Sorrow". And, "Bleed The Freak". It just goes on and on!
And I totally agree. This album is a gem, so damn good from beginning to end and so damn hard to pick favorites.
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It feels to me as if Facelift is almost criminally underrated at times. Everyone talks about Dirt and how great it is, but honestly, Facelift is right up there. It is incredibly solid all the way through with lots of just fantastic songs. It's one of my favorite debuts of all time and sometimes, I might like it even a little better than Dirt.
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Dirt will always be their peak for me, but Facelift is a close second.
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Facelift is great but I would put it at a close third place behind Dirt and the self-titled.
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I prefer Facelift to Dirt all day long. The very high points of Dirt might be a little better (Rooster; Would?) but it's too dark for me. And they both pale in comparison to SAP and Jar of Flies (though I prefer SAP more).
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New song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=352RBWh6ViU
Nothing spectacular, but Its nice to have new music.
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I like it. :tup
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I nodded off about half way through.
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I nodded off about half way through.
Yeah, me too kind of. I hope we don't have another "the devil put dinosaurs here". I could definitely go for another black gives way to blue though
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I nodded off about half way through.
Yeah, me too kind of. I hope we don't have another "the devil put dinosaurs here". I could definitely go for another black gives way to blue though
I swear, I’m the only one who loves that disc. Low Ceiling is one of their best songs, fight me on it.
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I like both albums alright. I think Dino may have the edge, but it's close for me. As for the new song, it has its moments. I just wish they'd find a different (faster) tempo sometimes. It feels like most of the songs between the last two albums are about the same tempo. Maybe that's a weird thing to nitpick but I don't know. A little more variation in that area wouldn't hurt. To be fair, the Dino album was a little better about it (I think?) than BGWTB. Does any of that make sense? Probably not. Carry on. :)
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New song is okay, I guess. Really hoping we get something a little more outside the box from them on the new record, because The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here was very, very stale.
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Pretty good song, I never did check out post-layne AIC, I should fix that this weekend.
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Yep tempo and letting William be the main vocalist at times a little more would be great. Jerry is my dude and he's a fab singer (amazing guitar player) who has done some of the most brilliant harmonizing with Layne and now William, he has every right to want to be the face of the band I guess but it's ok to let William do a bit more. Regardless I like the new song. Chorus could have been stronger IMO.
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I actually thoroughly enjoy Post-Layne era. Its definitely a different flavor, but I think that Black gives way to blue is a damn fine album. And Dino has some very strong songs as well.
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I liked that song more than pretty much anything on the previous album. The riff and the chorus are amazing.
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Kinda like the new song but like the last couple of records it's kind of tame.
I want my Alice In Chains to be weird, dark, depressing, heavy and some of that is missing.
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Kinda like the new song but like the last couple of records it's kind of tame.
I want my Alice In Chains to be weird, dark, depressing, heavy and some of that is missing.
The depressing times are gone...they all came from Layne.
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On a second listen, i like the song a lot. Good enough single.
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Kinda like the new song but like the last couple of records it's kind of tame.
I want my Alice In Chains to be weird, dark, depressing, heavy and some of that is missing.
The depressing times are gone...they all came from Layne.
There are some pretty dark songs on both of Cantrell's solo records, so it's not only Layne, but I think Layne was the darker mind.
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I'm a huge AIC fan. I've listened to this 3 times and I have to give it a thumbs down overall.
The harmonies are great. Cantrell's guitar solo is quite good. But as previously mentioned, the tempo is an issue and the song drags. It actually sounds like it could have ben on Cantrell's solo album "Boggy Depot."
I'm not writing the new album off yet. It's one song.
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I actually thoroughly enjoy Post-Layne era. Its definitely a different flavor, but I think that Black gives way to blue is a damn fine album. And Dino has some very strong songs as well.
I saw them live a summer or two ago, and I was blown away by how good they were live. First, it really brought the William stuff to life, but even the old, they CRUSHED it. Really good. I went to see Jane's Addiction (who played right before them) but ended up really digging AiC.
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I find it ironic that the tempo is an issue with an Alice In Chains song. :lol
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"Speaking to Guitar World, guitarist and co-vocalist Jerry Cantrell said the as-yet-untitled album is one “we haven’t done yet, I can tell you that.” He added, “But it’s also a record that has all the elements of anything you would expect from us. It’s got our fingerprint. And we’re really proud of the material that we wrote and the performances we captured. There’s some really heavy shit, some really ugly stuff, some real beautiful stuff, some weirdo trippy shit… it’s good!”"
Sounds promising.
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I find it ironic that the tempo is an issue with an Alice In Chains song. :lol
It's not the selected tempo that is the issue. It's the fact that they use the same selected tempo too often.
"Speaking to Guitar World, guitarist and co-vocalist Jerry Cantrell said the as-yet-untitled album is one “we haven’t done yet, I can tell you that.” He added, “But it’s also a record that has all the elements of anything you would expect from us. It’s got our fingerprint. And we’re really proud of the material that we wrote and the performances we captured. There’s some really heavy shit, some really ugly stuff, some real beautiful stuff, some weirdo trippy shit… it’s good!”"
Sounds promising.
I like that. I don't want a Facelift part 2 or Dirt part 2. If it's an album they say the haven't done yet, I am interested as to what it will be.
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I heard the new tune once. I'm not sure if I like it or not. I will say that the whole mid-tempo, plodding pace has gotten old. It's like AiC has forgotten how to write aggressive tunes like We Die Young. Not saying the whole record needs to be like that. But some variety would be nice. The Dinosaurs recorded ended up sounding samey because of that (Stone, Hollow, Phantom Limb were my top 3, and all were the same pace - but I could care less about the rest of the record, because it all just plods).
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I heard the new tune once. I'm not sure if I like it or not. I will say that the whole mid-tempo, plodding pace has gotten old. It's like AiC has forgotten how to write aggressive tunes like We Die Young. Not saying the whole record needs to be like that. But some variety would be nice. The Dinosaurs recorded ended up sounding samey because of that (Stone, Hollow, Phantom Limb were my top 3, and all were the same pace - but I could care less about the rest of the record, because it all just plods).
Totally agree. Of the post Staley releases, Black Gives Way to Blue is better than Dinosaurs in my opinion, the main reason being the tempo.
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I also think that Black Gives Way To Blue is better than Dinosaurs but my main reason are the songs.
I don't mind the tempo, a lot of the better AiC tunes are slow or barely midtempo. But if the songs aren't there, tempo can't rescue the record.
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Just got the Jar Of Flies/Sap vinyl. For some reason Rotten Apple is by far my favorite AIC song. It's just so desolate and soul draining in a strange comforting sort of way.
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Rotten Apple is incredible
And there's been times where shit has been going real rough in my life and I swear, the Rotten Apple, nutshell combo has brought me back out of it.
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Just got the Jar Of Flies/Sap vinyl. For some reason Rotten Apple is by far my favorite AIC song. It's just so desolate and soul draining in a strange comforting sort of way.
SAP is where it's at. For my money, that's AiC's best work. "You... were always so far away...."
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I don't mind the tempo, a lot of the better AiC tunes are slow or barely midtempo. But if the songs aren't there, tempo can't rescue the record.
That was my main issue with Dinosaur. Luckily the new song doesn't suffer from it.
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Just got back from seeing them. It was pretty awesome. The setlist was rock solid except the new song which stopped the momentum dead and the audience was not in to it and neither was I.
I cried during nutshell. And the rest of the songs were mental.
It was great, but I do wish I could have seen them with Layne. Duvall did a great job, but it just wasn't quite the same.
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They are a great live band.
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So I just listened to the new song (just learned that they dropped a new single today oops) and it's definitely different. I wasn't really expecting how nasty that main riff sounds. Not something I'd ever thought I'd say, but it reminds me of Opeth or Porcupine Tree more than anything. Verses and outro are probably the highlights of the song imo. Chorus feels a little weak to me. That's my initial reaction to the album. It has made me rather curious to hear the rest of the album.
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New album "Rainier Fog" comes out August 24th
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/aiceinchainsrainierfogcdbigger.jpg)
New song (So far under)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qusV7bKsrAE
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I like the song, especially the chorus. The cover art is enjoyable, the track listing pretty cool as well. Nothing spectacular, just very solid first glimpses into the album. ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=137&v=qusV7bKsrAE
https://youtu.be/qusV7bKsrAE
Better URL where it doesn't start 3/4 of the way through the song.
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:omg:
Love it! Has that ol' AIC vibe.
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I quite like the new song. :tup
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The first two new songs we've heard from them are good, but it's like they are stuck in second gear, and plod along at a mid-tempo pace. Same problem with Dinosaurs.
On this newest new tune, I dig the harmonies (old school AiC right there) and the guitar solo.
First day buyer, as always, but I really think AiC needs a few "We Die Young"-like tracks in terms of tempo.
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The first two new songs we've heard from them are good, but it's like they are stuck in second gear, and plod along at a mid-tempo pace. Same problem with Dinosaurs.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Both new songs, just plodding along and quite frankly they are boring. I'll remain hopeful the other songs on the album are better.
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I really think AiC needs a few "We Die Young"-like tracks in terms of tempo.
I agree. They're the only band of that genre/era that crossed over enough into my metal tastes to get me interested but it was songs like We Die Young and Man In The Box that got me there.
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I really think AiC needs a few "We Die Young"-like tracks in terms of tempo.
I agree. They're the only band of that genre/era that crossed over enough into my metal tastes to get me interested but it was songs like We Die Young and Man In The Box that got me there.
Honestly that's as far as I ever got. With Facelift, I was one and done with them.
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I really think AiC needs a few "We Die Young"-like tracks in terms of tempo.
I agree. They're the only band of that genre/era that crossed over enough into my metal tastes to get me interested but it was songs like We Die Young and Man In The Box that got me there.
Honestly that's as far as I ever got. With Facelift, I was one and done with them.
I am now positive that you were dropped on your head as a newborn.
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I agree that they need to vary the tempo more. "So Far Under" is definitely better than the first track they released, though. I like the chorus.
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Honestly that's as far as I ever got. With Facelift, I was one and done with them.
It might be worth checking out their song nutshell.
https://youtu.be/g_ihXlWKC7g
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Looks like Chris DeGarmo (formerly of Queensryche) is performing acoustic guitar on "Drones" from the new album. Jerry talked about it in an interview with Rolling Stone, saying that he he wrote this weird part he couldn't quite play, and DeGarmo was with them in the studio, so he asked Chris to do it. Pretty cool.
This isn't Chris' first foray with AiC. While most know he performed with Jerry's band on the 1998 Boggy Depot tour, he also played slide guitar on "Anger Rising" from Cantrell's Degradation Trip record. But, Chris also played on stage with Alice in Chains during the band's 2005 reunion show at the Premier Club in Seattle. I was there. Chris played rhythm guitar during Alice's electric set, and played LEAD guitar during the acoustic set. To this day, I still don't know why Chris was playing the leads during the acoustic portion. Maybe Jerry just feels Chris' spider-like fingers are more adept at acoustic stuff. It was really cool to see.
Looking forward to hearing "Drones." Jerry may have wrote the part, but it'll sound like good ole CDG, I am sure.
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I'm also interested in DeGarmo's involvement. Cool news.
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I really think AiC needs a few "We Die Young"-like tracks in terms of tempo.
I agree. They're the only band of that genre/era that crossed over enough into my metal tastes to get me interested but it was songs like We Die Young and Man In The Box that got me there.
Honestly that's as far as I ever got. With Facelift, I was one and done with them.
I am now positive that you were dropped on your head as a newborn.
Knowing Tim's tastes, I can honestly see how this was the case.
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I actually liked Facelift. A lot. Reminded me of Armored Saint TBH. But I liked Armored Saint a lot more. I never really followed up. I've heard a ton of their songs on the radio and such. Just never really piqued my interest. I did buy the Unplugged album, but honestly, I didn't care for it. It didn't hit me the same way the Nirvana one did.
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Their masterpieces are Dirt and S/T, but Facelift is easily their most ‘metal’ album.
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Their masterpieces are Dirt and S/T, but Facelift is easily their most ‘metal’ album.
But I like metal! :lol
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Their masterpieces are Dirt and S/T, but Facelift is easily their most ‘metal’ album.
But I like metal! :lol
I know! :metal
But AiC never made another album quite like Facelift. Come to think of it, I wouldn’t mind if they revisited that sound once again. As much as I like their last two albums, they’ve been decidedly mellow.
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Just got the Jar Of Flies/Sap vinyl. For some reason Rotten Apple is by far my favorite AIC song. It's just so desolate and soul draining in a strange comforting sort of way.
SAP is where it's at. For my money, that's AiC's best work. "You... were always so far away...."
Got Me Wrong is one of my favorite songs from them. Love that chorus.
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S/T might be my least favorite
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S/T might be my least favorite
That one is actually my favorite. ;)
I saw the guys in Budapest last night and they blew us away. The performance was rather short, about an hour and a half, but it was still jam packed with classics. Some songs were rocking, others were touching. And I will go out on a limb and say The One you know was one of the highlights, the crowd loved it and the riff was awesome to go wild to.
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New song, "Never Fade":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf8Pyd_NYTw
Nice to hear William out front more on these last couple of songs. I think this one's my favorite, so far (...under?). :P
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Cool song!
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I like it a lot. More up-tempo, which is what they need. :metal
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New album is out.
I don't like it at all. It all just blends together and is straitforward and dull. I was bored listening to it and had to stop myself from hitting the skip button to the next track.
All I am is ok, and I kind of like red giant. Besides that, I don't like this album at all. Still love Black gives way to blue and a handful of songs off dinosaurs though.
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I haven't heard any of it yet, but just heard this one for the first time in a few years and was reminded of how good some of their stuff really was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODTv9Lt5WYs
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I was afraid I'd have to be a bit harsh on the album, since the first several listens reminded me of Dinosaur and how bland and samey it was. But the pieces are starting to come together and I'm really enjoying at the moment.
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I haven't heard any of it yet, but just heard this one for the first time in a few years and was reminded of how good some of their stuff really was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODTv9Lt5WYs
I actually really love Jar of Flies and consider that EP their best stuff.
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I was afraid I'd have to be a bit harsh on the album, since the first several listens reminded me of Dinosaur and how bland and samey it was. But the pieces are starting to come together and I'm really enjoying at the moment.
I'm kinda torn. On one hand, I feel like it's mostly more of the same compared with the last two albums. The mid-tempo thing gets a little frustrating. Not sure if that's the right word.
On the other, there are little nuances and still a lot here that I like that I keep coming back to. It's a grower. I can't think of any songs that I flat out don't like, necessarily. Not crazy about "Maybe" but even that one's still kinda sorta ok. :P
Favorites are the title track, Never Fade, Red Giant, and So Far Under.
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I'm kinda torn. On one hand, I feel like it's mostly more of the same compared with the last two albums. The mid-tempo thing gets a little frustrating. Not sure if that's the right word.
On the other, there are little nuances and still a lot here that I like that I keep coming back to. It's a grower. I can't think of any songs that I flat out don't like, necessarily. Not crazy about "Maybe" but even that one's still kinda sorta ok. :P
Favorites are the title track, Never Fade, Red Giant, and So Far Under.
That's about where I am. I'm enjoying it; there's a lot of little parts that happen in the songs that make me smile, but it just feels like I'm listening to BGWTB and TDPDH... again.
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I am absolutely loving this record, and think it is the best they've done with William.
The record lacks some of the bigger, radio-friendly chorus and immediate hooks of some of their prior material. But I think each song is really a lot more interesting as a whole, and a bit more proggy, at least in regard to mood shifting and some time changes as well. It's incredibly strong top to bottom, which was certainly NOT the case with Dinosaurs (for me, I thought there was a ton of filler).
I am now on my fourth listen since I got it on Friday. Each time I am hearing something new. It feels like a complete band, on the same page. Whereas while I liked the last two AIC albums,they felt like they pushed and pulled at times trying to figure out that balance of being "Alice in Chains," and being something new. This record they've settled into a sound (to my ears) and I really love what I hear. My least favorite of these is "Maybe." My early favorites are Red Giant, All I Am, and The One You Know.
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I've never been much of a AIC fan. I'm a minority living up here in the Pacific Northwest. They just never grabbed me for some reason. I would probably get tarred and feathered if I said that out loud in these parts. However, I'm willing to give their new album a listen after hearing positive reviews here.
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I am in the minority. I absolutely LOVED Facelift, and was disappointed with Dirt. I've never heard any of the self-titled or any of the albums with the new guy. (Oh...I adored Sap and Jar of Flies as well).
So while I really like some of the early stuff, I haven't followed them much. They are probably my least favorite of "The Big 4", but I still think they are OK.
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I loved Facelift, Sap and jar of flies. I love half of dirt. The first half that is. Them bones up to including Would, I think is awesome and then I'm not so hot on the 2nd half. I've never gone beyond one listen of self titled. Unplugged in NY is fantastic for me.
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I've only listened to the new one twice but it's definitely better than Dinosaurs, and it's a grower.
For me, Dirt is still where it's at and I really like the self-titled a lot. Facelift starts very strong but can't keep up the quality in the second half imo, still a lot to love about it.
I love half of dirt. The first half that is. Them bones up to including Would
That would be the whole cd?
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I've only listened to the new one twice but it's definitely better than Dinosaurs, and it's a grower.
For me, Dirt is still where it's at and I really like the self-titled a lot. Facelift starts very strong but can't keep up the quality in the second half imo, still a lot to love about it.
I love half of dirt. The first half that is. Them bones up to including Would
That would be the whole cd?
Oops, that's my fuck up. I customized the song arrangement in Itunes and forgot about it. So I have Would coming after Rooster. My bad
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I'm going to have to check out this new record, seems promising.
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Red Giant is freaking amazing.
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Checked out the new album, it's great!
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Fantastic album.
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Yep, it's very good, and certainly more creative and interesting that Dinosaurs. The lyrical content is brilliant. Favorites: Maybe, Never fade, The One you know.
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This the first AiC album that I really heard in full and I'm truly loving it! Despite being aware of Chris DeGarmo on Drone (acoustic guitar in the middle), I'm surprised that, in many songs, I'm hearing guitar lines very much in Queensryche's style, cool!
Also the album has a very good sound and mixing :tup
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This the first AiC album that I really heard in full and I'm truly loving it! Despite being aware of Chris DeGarmo on Drone (acoustic guitar in the middle), I'm surprised that, in many songs, I'm hearing guitar lines very much in Queensryche's style, cool!
Also the album has a very good sound and mixing :tup
While I am totally biased, I hear that too. It's been in a few tunes (that sort of style) on the last couple of records to my ear. It's no secret that Jerry and Chris are pretty tight. Jerry probably picked up on some of it over the years.
The mix by Joe Baressi is pretty damn good. Really dig it.
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Yes I agree, it's a great album!
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While I am totally biased, I hear that too. It's been in a few tunes (that sort of style) on the last couple of records to my ear. It's no secret that Jerry and Chris are pretty tight. Jerry probably picked up on some of it over the years.
The mix by Joe Baressi is pretty damn good. Really dig it.
Chris's influence on Deaf Ears Blind Eyes was something that caught my attention on first listen. But there's more moments like that on the album. I'm glad that you noticed it too.
I was thinking "WOW this time Nick Raskulinecz made a great job mixing!", but now I see... :D. Indeed Joe Baresi made an excellent job. Great drum sound and all the instruments and vocals are clear and breathing.
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While I am totally biased, I hear that too. It's been in a few tunes (that sort of style) on the last couple of records to my ear. It's no secret that Jerry and Chris are pretty tight. Jerry probably picked up on some of it over the years.
The mix by Joe Baressi is pretty damn good. Really dig it.
Chris's influence on Deaf Ears Blind Eyes was something that caught my attention on first listen. But there's more moments like that on the album. I'm glad that you noticed it too.
I was thinking "WOW this time Nick Raskulinecz made a great job mixing!", but now I see... :D. Indeed Joe Baresi made an excellent job. Great drum sound and all the instruments and vocals are clear and breathing.
Take a listen to the intro riff on "Take Her Out" from Black Gives Way to Blue. Totally influenced by DeGarmo, IMO.
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I will, thanks for the recomendation :tup
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I am not familiar with modern AiC. But, again, given that Jerry and Chris have spent a lot of time together, and Jerry is clearly a student of music in the bigger sense, it makes sense that he would have incorporated some of that. What Queensryche did in terms of creating a huge sound by playing different parts of the same or complimentary chords isn't rocket science, but it also isn't something a lot of metal bands have done. But once you figure it out, it makes pretty good sense.
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The opening riff on Drone could be on the first Black Sabbath album. :hat
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Take a listen to the intro riff on "Take Her Out" from Black Gives Way to Blue. Totally influenced by DeGarmo, IMO.
I've known that song for years now and I'm a big fan of that riff. However, DeGarmo never crossed my mind when I was listening to it. Does is remind you of particular Queensryche riffs?
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Take a listen to the intro riff on "Take Her Out" from Black Gives Way to Blue. Totally influenced by DeGarmo, IMO.
I've known that song for years now and I'm a big fan of that riff. However, DeGarmo never crossed my mind when I was listening to it. Does is remind you of particular Queensryche riffs?
It's weird. No, not really. It's just the feel of it, the melody in the riff that to me, sounds very much like something he'd write, and very different for Jerry to write.
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Interesting. It is a slightly different riff for Jerry, but I'm not picking up on the DeGarmo influence. It is possible, though.
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Interesting. It is a slightly different riff for Jerry, but I'm not picking up on the DeGarmo influence. It is possible, though.
We just hear it differently. I know some other QR fans who feel like you do, and some who agree with me. That's music for ya. :lol
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I just listened to it. I wouldn't have automatically heard a Chris influence in it. But having had that suggestion planted going in, I totally hear it.
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Rainier Fog is such a great record, so much better than Dinosaurs.
Random observation: the most Alice-In-Chains-of-old-sounding song is So Far Under, and it's written by William Duvall. He clearly has absorbed the style.
And I'm in the camp that can't hear the DeGarmo influence. Not saying it isn't there, but I just don't hear it.
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That is funny regarding So Far Under - I didn't think that sounded like Alice at all. :lol I like it, but to me, that was the "which one of these is not like the other" track.
But completely agree that Rainer Fog is light years better than Dinosaurs.
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This is the interesting thing about music. Two people listen to the same record, both like them, but they hear things (completely) differently.
To me, especially the vocal lines in the chorus sound like something Layne would/could have come up with. So Far Under sounds (to my ears) like it it was written for Dirt or the self-titled, that's why I was surprised that its not a Cantrell penned tune.
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Listened to the new record today and the first impression is very positive :tup Red Giant, Drone and All I Am jumped out as immediate standout tracks, and I already really liked So Far Under and Never Fade beforehand. This may become my favorite post-Layne album, and it's a huge improvement over the overlong and somewhat samey Dinosaurs.
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I got the chorus to The One You Know stuck in my head the whole day. One of my faves from Rainier Fog.
I agree that it might be the best post-Layne record.
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I still think BGWTB is a better record, but Rainier Fog is much, much better than Dinosaurs, for sure.
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I can't decide if I like RF more than Dinosaurs or not. Both are great for me.
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I still think BGWTB is a better record, but Rainier Fog is much, much better than Dinosaurs, for sure.
Same here.
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JERRY CANTRELL: How Former QUEENSRŸCHE Guitarist CHRIS DEGARMO Ended Up Playing On New ALICE IN CHAINS Album
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jerry-cantrell-how-former-queensryche-guitarist-chris-degarmo-ended-up-playing-on-new-alice-in-chains-album/
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I was just about to post that. Remember last week when I mentioned DeGarmo's influence a bit. Well, the writer from Guitar World hears it, but in a song I really didn't pick up on, ironically, the one DeGarmo plays on. :rollin
There’s also a third guitarist on the record. Chris DeGarmo, who used to be in Queensryche, makes an appearance.
Yeah! He played on “Drone” — he did the acoustic part that comes before the solo. That picking guitar in the middle, that’s Chris. And then I’m doing the electric on top of him. He lives in Seattle and he came down to the studio a couple of times. I was talking to him one day and I was like, “I’d love to have you on this record somewhere.” And he said, “That’s fine, but I don’t really need to do that. You guys do your thing.” But I was like, “No, I’d really like to have you on it!” So, he agreed, and he came down one day and I just happened to be working on “Drone.” I hadn’t really planned on a part in the song for him, but that was the day he showed up. And the part I was playing has this sort of fucked-up spider chord in it — where your pinkie is kind of dominant in the middle of the fretboard… it’s difficult, especially on an acoustic — and if you wanna take that a step further, it’s even more difficult on a 12-string. It’s nearly impossible to do without fretting out, or buzzing or whatever.
Well, back in the day Queensryche was known for using those sorts of extended chord voicings. That was Chris DeGarmo’s thing.
Exactly. He was totally the guy to do that. So when it was time to record that part I was kind of fumbling around with it, and I was like, “Why don’t you try it?” [laughs] And he said okay. So the way we did it — and we did this on a few songs — was that instead of doing one 12-string pass we did two six-string passes. One take with a guitar with super-thin strings, and then one take with a regular acoustic. Then you get the 12-string effect by running them together. Chris did two passes, and he did a great job. And more importantly, he’s one of my friends and one of my heroes from my hometown. I fucking love Queensryche. So it was great to have him on the record.
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For anyone missing that classic AIC sound, here is Chout, from Chicago. The singer is in an AIC tribute band (Facelift) here and this is his original band. I've never heard of them before, but if this isn't the reincarnation of Layne Stayley, I don't know what is...
Chout - Seasons. https://youtu.be/-9EoPffZNfw
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He's got the style down, that's for sure.
Not a fan of the song. That Black Sabbathy thing in the middle of the song is cool, but overall it's an okay song.
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For anyone missing that classic AIC sound, here is Chout, from Chicago. The singer is in an AIC tribute band (Facelift) here and this is his original band. I've never heard of them before, but if this isn't the reincarnation of Layne Stayley, I don't know what is...
Chout - Seasons. https://youtu.be/-9EoPffZNfw
Sounds great
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Ran across this on YouTube today. Could be interesting, lots of old footage.....
https://youtu.be/DsDUhtfOcXQ
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I'm definitely gonna check that out.
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Some of the pure Layne stuff is a little dark for me, but when they were clicking as a band, they were good (and AiC still is).
I'll definitely watch that.
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Jerry has a new solo album coming on October 29th. It's called Brighten.
https://youtu.be/F76Vp9ODy6s
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Jerry has a new solo album coming on October 29th. It's called Brighten.
That's almost oxymoronish. ;D
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Never thought I'd see the day when we got a third album from Jerry Cantrell. But I really do like those first two, so I'll check it out.
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Jerry has a new solo album coming on October 29th. It's called Brighten.
That's almost oxymoronish. ;D
:lol
I don't think I've checked out Jerry's solo work but I do like the recent AIC releases so I'll give this a listen.
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Jerry has a new solo album coming on October 29th. It's called Brighten.
https://youtu.be/F76Vp9ODy6s
So has anyone heard it? What do you think?
I listened today and had a hard time not to fall asleep. Boring, plodding country rock. Jerry, where are the great riffs? Where is the rock? Where is the weirdness? Where is everything that made your first two solo records great?
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I have not. As of now, the only place to get a physical copy is his website and the shipping is stupid. I've been waiting for regular retailers to have it but it seems that they won't have it until the 12th. Amazon still has nothing but the digital.
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Yeah, that too. Was wondering why nobody in Germany seemed to have a physical cd to buy, and buying from his website is just not worth it when shipping costs more than the actual product.
Listened to it on spotify and now I'm kinda glad I didn't buy the cd beforehand.
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I listened on Spotify yesterday.
It was OK. Not really good enough for me to buy a physical CD, but it was, you know, OK.
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So has anyone heard it? What do you think?
I listened today and had a hard time not to fall asleep. Boring, plodding country rock. Jerry, where are the great riffs? Where is the rock? Where is the weirdness? Where is everything that made your first two solo records great?
I wouldn't pan it that hard... Like Hef said, it's ok. However - to your point... Jerry's other solo albums were created when AiC wasn't really a thing. There were likely frustrations and he had nowhere to create rock riffs and his trademark sounds. Now Alice is going strong and likely his solo stuff is for his more acoustic/singer-songwriter stuff to come out as opposed to putting on an AiC album. Jerry is the main force in AiC, and this is where he diversifies instead of doing something that sounds just like AiC. I'm sure he's got rock and weird riffs in store - just for an Alice album.
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I saw Jerry Cantrell in Toronto tonight. He played at a relatively new venue called History, and I loved the show. The songs from his new solo album are ok, although some of them sound too simplistic and naive. The show was great though, and he brought out songs from the first two albums and also selected Alice in Chais cuts: Rooster, Would?, Them Bones, Check My Brain...
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Nice to see AiC back on the road. Opening for GnR this summer, and then doing headline shows on days off. Picked up a pair of tickets today for one of those headline gigs.
For those interested, password appears to be AIC2023. Tickets on sale now with that. Otherwise, public on sale is Thursday, June 29.
Saw Jerry Cantrell on his solo tour in support of Brighten. I was really disappointed. The band sounded great, but they didn't play enough of Jerry's actual SOLO material. They played AiC hits, and then a handful of solo tracks. Was kind of annoyed, TBH. Had they done a bunch of AiC deep cuts and a bunch of solo, that would have been different.
In any event, I'm looking forward to the AiC gig. Last time the Mrs. and I saw them, they were in support of The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here, at the tail end of support for that album. (Album came out in 2013, we saw them in July 2015). Unfortunately, we missed any nearby dates in support of Rainier Fog (which we both thought was a much more impressive record), because they were touring with co-headliners that we had no interest in. (They co-headlined with Bush in 2022 - no thanks, KORN in 2019 - no thanks, and they skipped our area entirely in 2018.) So, really looking forward to this full-on AiC headline show in October 2023.
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Saw AiC over the weekend for the first time in seven years. Really good show. This was my sixth time seeing AiC, starting in 2005 with the Tsunami Benefit show. AiC was heavy on all the hits, but sadly, the lame crowd in the pit sort of sucked the energy out of the room. That's one thing that stuck me about AiC though. The difference between the Layne era hits, and the Duvall era songs. I love both, but AiC has become a moody, proggy act, that is less about pure aggression and quirkiness, and more about embracing ambience in songs. not completely, and obviously, AiC still dials it up on many new songs. But for me at least, the band has certainly evolved, and they should, and I'm glad they have.
William Duvall has been the lead singer of AiC now for 17 years. Way longer than Layne Staley, if you can believe that. And when I first saw William perform (2002 as a part of Jerry Cantrell's solo band opening for Creed), he tried really hard to channel Layne. That continued his first couple years with AiC too. But now...William is just William. He is himself, and sings the songs like him, not Layne, and I find it refreshing. My one complaint about AiC's set was -- they didn't do enough from the William years. Just five tracks out of 18. I get it, but I was really hoping for "Red Giant" or "All I Am" from Rainer Fog (we got "The One You Know" and the title track), and while I know I'll never see it because it is a deep cut, I was hoping for "Take Her Out" from Black Gives Way to Blue.
As for the old stuff, "Got Me Wrong" was a nice surprise. We had seen that they were doing "Sludge Factory" at some point, and were hoping for that, but it didn't happen. Seeing "It Ain't Like That" was cool too.
But a solid, solid set, and I'm glad we went. Here is some video for those that dig it:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJI-MjWF9aD_1VVXXP3-KrpCDvHrU3mN3
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"Got Me Wrong" is a great tune.
I'm a fan, and agree with your comments. I really like the William records, and they have a different vibe; honestly, I find some of the Layne stuff just too dark and fatalistic. I saw them headline the festival with Jane's Addiction a couple years ago, and even though I went for Jane's, I think I enjoyed AiC more.