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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: SPNKr on October 19, 2009, 12:25:37 AM
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Well I read on Blabbermouth I think a while ago that their new album is to be released on October 20, otherwise next year. Anybody know anything about it?
I've only listened to Metal Thrashing Mad, Spreading The Disease, Among The Living, and State Of Euphoria so far.
Among The Living is my favourite. :metal
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I like the TMNT stickers on Scott Ian's guitar in the Bring the Noise video. And we share a birthday...
That is all, I'm sorry.
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From what I can find out, they have an album in the can with their no-longer lead singer Dan Nelson. Everybody wants John Bush to return and redo the vox on the album, but he's non-committal. They did do a show in Japan with Bush in September.
Personally, I prefer Bush, but StD was one of those life changing albums for me.
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IT'S A MADHOUSE!
I'M INSAAAAAAAAAAANE!!!
I need to get more albums by these guys. All I have at the moment is Among the Living and a Best Of.
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Madhouse :metal Anybody remember that song being played on a GTA:VC radio station? Along with Peace Sells and Raining Blood :hat
I forgot to mention I also have the Armed & Dangerous, I'm The Man, and the Penikufesin EPs.
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Fuckin' love these guys. One of the first thrash metal bands I got into, I have some really great memories listening to them for the first time. I've found that they're disregarded alot in comparison to the other 3 bands in the big four but I enjoy them way more than Slayer and sometimes even more than Megadeth, depending on my mood. Spreading The Disease and Among The Living are among my all time favorite albums. :metal :metal
My dad saw them back when they were touring for Among The Living and he said it was one of the most high energy shows he's ever been to. If only I lived back in the 80's...
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Yeah, I think you're right. They were more consistent than Slayer in the 80's and maybe early 90's.
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I love Anthrax. They're right above Metallica in the Big 4, but below Slayer and Megadeth. Their 80s output was all kinds of win, but their 90s output was unacceptable.
And I've honestly lost faith that Worship Music will ever see the light of day, and that's a damn shame, because We've Come For You All was actually okay.
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While I have Attack of the Killer B's and I'm the Man, I was always partial to the John bush years. Sound of White Noise is an incredible album that doesn't have a weak track on it. The releases after that had a couple good songs and We've Come For You All was a very solid record
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Long story short...but we used to rent a room in the Jamiaca music building (for rehersal) around the same time that Anthrax did as well (Metallica talks about crashing there when they first came to NY)
We were just messing around when we started jamming to Freebird, as with the building most bands kept the door open because the rooms were hot as hell ( the windows were nailed shut) when we finished both Charlie and Scott walked in and said that was an amazing cover. We thanked them and than had to explain that we were a metal band not southern rock.
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Long story short...but we used to rent a room in the Jamiaca music building (for rehersal) around the same time that Anthrax did as well (Metallica talks about crashing there when they first came to NY)
We were just messing around when we started jamming to Freebird, as with the building most bands kept the door open because the rooms were hot as hell ( the windows were nailed shut) when we finished both Charlie and Scott walked in and said that was an amazing cover. We thanked them and than had to explain that we were a metal band not southern rock.
Another great story from wkiml. :metal
They were more consistent than Slayer in the 80's and maybe early 90's.
I completely disagree. Of the "Big 4" Slayer was the only consistent one of the bunch.
My dad saw them back when they were touring for Among The Living and he said it was one of the most high energy shows he's ever been to. If only I lived back in the 80's...
I had an opportunity to see this tour and I passed. Some friends of mine said if I drove them, they'd buy me a ticket. i was like WTF, if you wanted me to go, you'd have made plans with me in the first place, not wait till the f##king day of the show. I told them to f##k off....which felt good, but I missed a great tour. Anthrax was one of those bands that I was into them early with Fistful, but didn't pick them up again till Among was already out and toured.
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I know a kid who has Charlie Benante and Frank Bello as uncles. As a matter of factoid, I saw him and his band play a few days ago, and he tore it up with Frank's signature bass. Pretty sick.
EDIT: For anyone wondering, they played War Pigs (Black Sabbath), High Voltage (AC/DC), a Lynyrd Skynyrd song that I can't remember the name of, and then... yes... FREE BIRD to close it. All near-flawlessly.
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My dad saw them back when they were touring for Among The Living and he said it was one of the most high energy shows he's ever been to. If only I lived back in the 80's...
I had an opportunity to see this tour and I passed. Some friends of mine said if I drove them, they'd buy me a ticket. i was like WTF, if you wanted me to go, you'd have made plans with me in the first place, not wait till the f##king day of the show. I told them to f##k off....which felt good, but I missed a great tour. Anthrax was one of those bands that I was into them early with Fistful, but didn't pick them up again till Among was already out and toured.
Saw this at the Arcadia, which was one of those old art deco movie theaters; sat about 1k. Got to see Metal Church open up for them with the late, great David Wayne.
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I said in the OP that I listened to and have the album Metal Thrashing Mad (which is not an album). I actually mistook that name for the debut, Fistful Of Metal. :lol
Yet, nobody seemed to correct me :lol
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We knew what you meant.
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We knew what you meant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ibD5pFTgYo&feature=related
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Bump. Fleshed out my Anthrax collection in the last few months with Spreading the Disease and Persistence of Time, both very good thrash albums.
Anthrax are probably my favourite thrash band by now (based entirely on the thrash phases of the bands, Metallica would nudge them out with their post-thrash metal included) Among the Living is actually my favourite thrash album, and I'll be surprised if another thrash album ever challenges it (though there are still a few thrash bands I'd like to hear - Voivod, Coroner, Testament, Exodus, Dark Angel, Death Angel).
I still want to hear at least the B Sides album and Sound of White Noise and maybe We've Come For You All from these guys. Haven't heard State of Euphoria, but I have both Make Me Laugh and Antisocial from a Best Of, and they're both pretty bad songs.
Anybody remember that song being played on a GTA:VC radio station? Along with Peace Sells and Raining Blood :hat
My brother still associates Madhouse and Peace Sells entirely with that game. He loves them because of it though, so it's only a good thing.
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Anthrax was a huge inspiration for me in high school. It's truly sad how far the band has fallen in the last several years. Scott and Charlie are sad excuses for business men.
That being said, I look forward to hanging with Joey B next week and seeing how the album is going.
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Of all the Big 4 bands, Anthrax has been the one that has not clicked with me at all. Maybe I'm listening to the wrong stuff, but I don't know. I mean, the 4 or 5 big hits are cool and that is about it. I don't want to come in here and shit on a band because I hate it when people do that, but I am just saying how I feel about them vs. other bands in their genre. I think I need to listen to a complete album as opposed to a greatest hits. That said, Indians is a kick ass song.
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Of all the Big 4 bands, Anthrax has been the one that has not clicked with me at all. Maybe I'm listening to the wrong stuff, but I don't know. I mean, the 4 or 5 big hits are cool and that is about it. I don't want to come in here and shit on a band because I hate it when people do that, but I am just saying how I feel about them vs. other bands in their genre. I think I need to listen to a complete album as opposed to a greatest hits. That said, Indians is a kick ass song.
I'd give Spreading the Disease a couple of listens. As I said earlier, it was one of those albums that fundamentally shifted my interests in music. If that doesn't do it for you, maybe White Noise. I really dig the John Bush era, and the first 3 songs make up an incredible opening onslaught.
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Haven't heard State of Euphoria, but I have both Make Me Laugh and Antisocial from a Best Of, and they're both pretty bad songs.
Anybody remember that song being played on a GTA:VC radio station? Along with Peace Sells and Raining Blood :hat
My brother still associates Madhouse and Peace Sells entirely with that game. He loves them because of it though, so it's only a good thing.
You need to hear State Of Euphoria. Took a while to click for me, at least, but I was in the mood 101% when I wanted to hear it last time. It was great because I paid more attention to the music that time.
Coroner's No More Color is a pretty good one btw. I also have Grin but I haven't played it a second time, and what I remember was it was more mid tempo and the most experimental album. If you check out Voivod, try Dimension Hatröss. I've listened to it like 5 or 6 times because I think it's really good.
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Anthrax's best albums are Spreading the Disease, Among the Living, and Persistence of Time. If those don't click for you, you suck and will never get anywhere in life.
Also, Fluffy, you need to hear Testament. Get The Legacy and The New Order pronto. Testament generally kicks the shit out of the Big 4.
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Testament is all kinds of epic. :metal
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So, I've been listening to Worship Music all day. I gotta say, this is a pretty damn good album. I'm glad the wait was worth it.
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I was never a thrash fan back in the day but I loved Spreading The Disease. Madhouse, AIR, Lone Justice, and the awesome Armed & Dangerous, great songs full of energy. ATL was a letdown and there's not been much there for me since, though the first album with John Bush was ok.
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Yes, Worship Music is very good, and I can't believe that it managed to not be disappointing after 8 years. Kudos to them for not pulling a Morbid Angel and releasing an album full of industrial bullshit.
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Almost everyone tries the industrial thing. I for one like that stuff sometimes. But thankfully Death Angel's last album was good.
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Of all the Big 4 bands, Anthrax has been the one that has not clicked with me at all. Maybe I'm listening to the wrong stuff, but I don't know. I mean, the 4 or 5 big hits are cool and that is about it. I don't want to come in here and shit on a band because I hate it when people do that, but I am just saying how I feel about them vs. other bands in their genre. I think I need to listen to a complete album as opposed to a greatest hits. That said, Indians is a kick ass song.
I fall into this boat. I've never seen why Anthrax was part of the Big 4 and Exodus wasn't. But at least Exodus are getting their dues now. That said, I as well think Indian is a kick ass song. I think my main problem with them is Belladonna.
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Haven't heard it before, but I just listened to a few songs from The Greater of Two evils, and holy shit. That's just brutal. They've actually managed to take that music and make it a helluva lot heavier than it already was. In My World and Indians were just blistering. The pseudo-live vocals take some getting used to, but bush seems to sing it with some real rage.
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Bush really was not right for Anthrax. Greater of Two Evils just made me want to listen to the originals.
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Bush was perfect for what Anthrax evolved into. As for the originals, it'd be interesting to hear how they sound properly recorded with him singing. As it is, I agree with you that they're better suited for Belladona. However, Belladona can't sing them too well anymore. Given the choice between hearing him yell the words into a mic and Bush actually singing Madhouse, I'd take the latter.
edit: and it seems to me like you already had an opinion about Bush before hearing the pseudo-live versions. Of course you'd prefer the originals if you went into it preferring Belladona anyway.
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I definitely never liked Bush with Anthrax, and GO2E did nothing to help. I bought Sound of White Noise not knowing that it was basically Anthrax's Black Album, and I was severely disappointed that it wasn't anything like Spreading the Disease or Among the Living. Looking back, SOWN is actually pretty decent, and Bush's vocals really aren't that bad. Stomp 442, Vol. 8, and WCFYA are just horrendous though.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/anthrax-blasts-political-and-religious-extremism-with-evil-twin-song-video/
New video clip released ! Not a bad track .. ISIS related :xbones
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New album is out. It's very good.
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Really like the new album. Apart from Spreading the Disease I wouldn't call myself an Anthrax fan but I loved the new single so went for it. Yeah, really like it. I like joeys voice on this.
I was very disappointed in ATL back in the day following on from STD. Not played it in years, probably since the year it came out.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
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PoT is a great album.
Just saw the lyric video from the link in this thread (months behind I guess). It seemed middle of the road in the grand Anthrax catalog. But I hate that I saw a picture of people in a cage in a river or lake. Up until that point, I had only heard about ISIS drowning people in a cage. I don't want to see that sick sh*t.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
Never listened to it. The only post ATL album I gave any time to was Sound of White Noise, which didn't do anything for me except for Black Lodge. Played Worship Music once I think. Don't remember anything about it.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
Never listened to it. The only post ATL album I gave any time to was Sound of White Noise, which didn't do anything for me except for Black Lodge. Played Worship Music once I think. Don't remember anything about it.
Oh man, I hated Black Lodge. :lol
You should give POT a chance. Gone is the goofiness of ATL and State Of Euphoria. It opens with three bona fide Anthrax epics, The title track, Blood Brothers and Keep It In The Family.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
Never listened to it. The only post ATL album I gave any time to was Sound of White Noise, which didn't do anything for me except for Black Lodge. Played Worship Music once I think. Don't remember anything about it.
Oh man, I hated Black Lodge. :lol
You should give POT a chance. Gone is the goofiness of ATL and State Of Euphoria. It opens with three bona fide Anthrax epics, The title track, Blood Brothers and Keep It In The Family.
Will give it a go tomorrow.
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My favorite PoT (and probably Anthrax song) is
Intro to Reality - Belly of the Beast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDLr6rAvF4g)
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Apart from Spreading the Disease I wouldn't call myself an Anthrax fan
I was very disappointed in ATL back in the day following on from STD. Not played it in years, probably since the year it came out.
Agree with all of that , although I do really like some stuff on Persistence of Time.
Will check out this new one,.
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This new release is Awesome!!
It might be tough to top WM, but this one may have a chance!
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I was a follower from all the way back from StD. StD was my favorite until PoT came out. That album is brilliant, and it's still my favorite Belladonna album.
But Sound of White Noise is my all time favorite front to back Anthrax album. There's nothing on that album I don't think is brilliant. Black Lodge is so creepy and awesome.
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Nothing will ever top StD for me; but these last two releases are really close!
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These last two albums are absolutely brutal. Need to go back and check the back catalog since I never really got into them.
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Nice bump, Flux!
I've been on a Classic Belladonna era kick for a couple of weeks now. Been really digging the Kings Among Scotland live album. Sounds great.
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I LOVE this video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf01Dg-GKeY
This was the tour opening for Maiden, which I saw in NJ and Providence. To me, this was their peak. They followed this tour with the Clash Of The Titans run, and then a tour with Public Enemy.
Scott Ian has explained dropping Joey because he was writing more angry music, but I never understood a band dropping their singer at their peak.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
PoT is my favorite Joey-era Anthrax record. It's heavy, dark, a bit proggy with tempo changes, they just really killed it on that record.
Among the Living gets all the love, but for me, it is Persistence of Time.
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Love Anthrax. Later thrax is the best of all later big thrash band output. Grew up on StD. What a record. They're underrated, imo. The rhythm section is unique and incredible. No one else sounds like that.
John Bush is a God. Loved Volume 8, SOTW, Go2E. Grew to like John more than Joey. Shame no Bush on recent records but the last two albums have been very very good despite this.
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I played Belly of the Beast on the podcast and most seemed to hate it from memory. Good to see some love for PoT but for me nothing touches Spreading The Disease - almost perfect melodic thrash. Among The Living is very over rated IMHO.
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I would say that Spreading The Disease is from front to back my favorite album of the classic Joey 4. The rest of them for the most part are half and half. Though I thing Persistence Of Time's high points (Keep It In The Family, Blood Brothers) and pretty damn awesome.
Among The Living has some great tracks: The title Track, NFL, Caught In A Mosh, Indians, I Am The Law
And State Of Euphoria, for all of the beatings it gets is pretty decent.
The last two albums they have made with Joey, Worship Music and For All Kings, are great!
The rhythm section is unique and incredible. No one else sounds like that.
Frankie and Charlie are amazing. Amazing.
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And State Of Euphoria, for all of the beatings it gets is pretty decent.
Not a great fan of the album but if I had to pick one Anthrax track that was the "sound of my childhood" then it would be Antisocial. I didn't realise it was an obscure cover until decades later..
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It has some great tunes on it.
Be All End All
Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind
Now It's Dark
And one of my all time faves from that era..Finale
"I drink three 6-packs just so I can look at your face."
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Big Anthrax fan here.
Spreading The Disease and Among The Living are classics for me. State Of Euphoria and Persistence Of Time are mixed bags, some good tunes, some not so good ones.
From the Bush era, Stomp 442 stomps all (TAC will agree), so aggressive and so different from their other work. We've Come For You All is also very good (TAC will not agree :biggrin:). Sounds Of White Noise is mediocre and uninspired and Volume 8 is very uneven and messy, alot of filler, but it has with Crush, Carthasis and Inside Out some of the best tunes right at the beginning.
Worship Music and For All Kings are as good as the classics and Joey's voice is incredible, one of the few singers that got better with age imo.
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Holy canoli! I just interviewed Frankie Bello during lunch time today. He has a new album out with Dave Ellefson under the moniker Altitudes and Attitude. It's more like a Foo Fighter kinda sound with some heaviness here and there, but VERY melodic. I love this album, and there are some great guests in it: Nita Strauss, Ace Frehley, Gus G...
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From the Bush era, Stomp 442 stomps all (TAC will agree), so aggressive and so different from their other work. We've Come For You All is also very good (TAC will not agree :biggrin:).
You know it bro!
Sounds Of White Noise is mediocre and uninspired and Volume 8 is very uneven and messy, alot of filler, but it has with Crush, Carthasis and Inside Out some of the best tunes right at the beginning.
I was initially disappointed with SOWN but it has really aged quite well. Has some great tunes like Hi Pro Glo and Invisible. Volume 8 is indeed all over the place but Catharsis is amazing.
Holy canoli! I just interviewed Frankie Bello during lunch time today. He has a new album out with Dave Ellefson under the moniker Altitudes and Attitude. It's more like a Foo Fighter kinda sound with some heaviness here and there, but VERY melodic. I love this album, and there are some great guests in it: Nita Strauss, Ace Frehley, Gus G...
I love Frank Bello, and Dave Ellefson for that matter. Two of the coolest dudes in metal. Just watched the video to late, and you're right. A total Foo Fighters vibe.
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For me, the best Belladonna record is Persistence of Time, then Worship Music, and then Among the Living.
Give me those three, then the rest. I think For All Kings is pretty good too, but not among those three.
As for the Bush era, its hard to separate for me. I think Volume 8 is the weakest, but still pretty good. If pressed, I'd probably go:
White Noise
Stomp
We've Come For You All
Vol. 8
Again though, as a whole, I prefer Bush by a mile to Belladonna. Completely a better frontman, and I enjoy his voice a lot more. Brings some toughness and grittiness to Anthrax.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
PoT is my favorite Joey-era Anthrax record. It's heavy, dark, a bit proggy with tempo changes, they just really killed it on that record.
Among the Living gets all the love, but for me, it is Persistence of Time.
All of this, absolutely.
I love Worship Music as well. In The End is one of Joey's best tracks.
I'm a huge 'Thrax fan. Have just about everything. Seen them with Bush and with Joey. Actually, I was able to catch the reunion tour with Joey and Dan Spitz. That was magical for me as it was something I never thought I would see.
Joey is always my guy but I love John too.
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I Love ATL, but it was definitely a departure from STD.
What about Persistence Of Time?
PoT is my favorite Joey-era Anthrax record. It's heavy, dark, a bit proggy with tempo changes, they just really killed it on that record.
Among the Living gets all the love, but for me, it is Persistence of Time.
All of this, absolutely.
I love Worship Music as well. In The End is one of Joey's best tracks.
I'm a huge 'Thrax fan. Have just about everything. Seen them with Bush and with Joey. Actually, I was able to catch the reunion tour with Joey and Dan Spitz. That was magical for me as it was something I never thought I would see.
Joey is always my guy but I love John too.
I saw that reunion tour as well. Actually it's pretty funny because I caught one of the last Bush dates when they were promoting The Greater of Two Evils in 2005 in Rio, with Joey Vera on bass and Rob Caggiano on guitar. A few months later I saw them in Sydney with a completely different lineup - Dan Spitz, Frankie and Joey back on. I didn't really dig that reunion show though, for some reason it seemed the band wasn't 100% tuned in on that particular date. The DVD that came out from that tour was great though. But fast forward to 2011, and I saw them on the Worship Music - one of the most intense shows I've ever been to. They crushed it!!!
One of the rarest Anthrax shows I've seen was the short tour in 2009 where Dan Nelson was already out, and Bush came in for like ten shows only. I caught them in Perth, on the Soundwave Festival, and what an awesome show that was!
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I've seen the JB reunion lineup several times in the last couple of years and they've been great. I'm probably still more of a Bush kind of guy, but JB is still putting on a good show. I got to see them open for Maiden on the Book of Souls tour, as well as a one-off headlining show last year during the Slayer's first farewell tour. Both were oddball gigs and great fun. The headline gig actually had the most 80's vibe of any show I've been to since, well, the 80's. The place was full of smoke. The band went on late. Their house music was a Bon Scott era greatest hits. Drunken rowdiness. It really did seem like a flashback to seeing them on the ATL tour.
Looking at Setlist.FM, it looks like I've probably seen them ten times or so, which kind of surprises me and kind of doesn't. It actually filled in a black hole in my memory of a show I went to with a girlfriend and couldn't for the life of me remember which one. That shit has hounded me for probably ten years. Anthrax, Helloween, and Exodus. One of those gigs I'd completely repressed from my memory. Strange when that happens.
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I remember that tour. It was a Headbanger's Ball tour. For some reason that I cannot explain, I did not go.
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Lineups I've seen:
2005 - Rio - John Bush, Joey Vera, Rob Caggiano, Scott Ian, Charlie Benante
2005 - Sydney - Belladonna, Frankie Bello, Dan Spitz, Scott Ian, Charlie Benante
2009 - Perth - John Bush, Frankie Bello, Rob Caggiano, Scott Ian, Charlie Benante
2011 - Belladonna, Frankie Bello, Rob Caggiano, Scott Ian, Charlie Benante
2016 - Belladonna, Frankie Bello, John Donais, Scott Ian, John Dette
2017 - Belladonna, Frankie Bello, John Donais, Scott Ian, Charlie Benante
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This is going to hurt my brain:
2003 - Bush, Ian, Caggiano, Vera, Benante
2006 - Belladonna, Ian, Spitz, Bello, Benante
2011 - Belladonna, Ian, Caggiano, Ian, Benante
2012 - Belladonna, Ian, Caggiano (I think), Ian, Benante
2014 - Belladonna, Ian, Donais (I think), Ian, Benante
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w/ Joey
1-21-91 Brendan Byrne Arena (opening for Iron Maiden)
1-25-91 Providence Civic Center (opening for Iron Maiden)
7-6-91 Great Woods, Mansfield (w/ Slayer, Megadeth, AiC)
w/John
5-21-93 Axis, Boston
8-13-93 The Strand, Providence
4-21-94 Lupo's, Providence
11-25-95 Avalon, Boston
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I'm actually having a pretty hard time piecing together when I've seen them. The ones I'm sure of:
ATL-Metal Church opened
SoE-Helloween and Exodus opened
Clash of the Titans
SoWN-White Zombie opened.
skip ahead 25 years
FAK-Opened for Maiden
FAK-Testiment opened
FAK-Opened for Slayer
I'm pretty sure there are a couple of more in there, openers or festival gigs. Just unsure of who, what, and where.
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SoWN-White Zombie opened.
I saw this tour in Providence and I have to say this...WHITE ZOMBIE WAS AMAZING!!
I wasn't into their album, but holy shit they absolutely smoked.
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SoWN-White Zombie opened.
I saw this tour in Providence and I have to say this...WHITE ZOMBIE WAS AMAZING!!
I wasn't into their album, but holy shit they absolutely smoked.
I did like their first album, and back when they were an industrious touring band I thought they were an excellent show. Neither quality lasted very long.
That show was actually at a seldom used bandshell in Fair Park, which is about the second strangest place a band can play in Dallas. The first being the Six Flags amphitheater (as opposed to the Six Flags parking lot, which was legendary). It was actually pretty cool, though. It was a lovely night with nice breeze, and there was a cool ramshackle feel to the whole thing.
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Geez, I can't remember dates. Outside of the core group, I know I have seen them at various times with one or more of the following - Paul Crook on guitar, Joey Vera on bass, Caggiano on guitar with Bush. I think the only time I have seen them with Joey was the reunion tour of the classic lineup.
They are probably one of the bands I have seen the most times so I have seen an array of lineups.
I have yet to see them with Jonathan Donais. I hope to remedy that some time in the future. Maybe the next album tour.
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I saw them touring for Among the Living opening for Kiss on the Crazy Nights tour.
Obviously, I only showed up for Anthrax.
Then I saw them on the Clash of the Titans tour with Slayer and Megadeth. That was supporting PoT. Then I saw them open for Moldy Spew (Motley Crue) in 2000. That was the only time I saw them with Bush.
Still. SOWN is my all time favorite Anthrax album. It’s absolutely perfection.
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I have only seen Anthrax once and I remember it for 2 reasons :
- it was one of only a couple of gigs where I managed to sneak into an over 18s venue while underage :)
- the "moshing" in the crowd was frightening
Persistence of Time tour in 1990 I think.
When it comes to Anthrax 90% of my listening is to one album - Spreading The Disease. Perfect melodic metal/thrash.
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SOWN is my all time favorite Anthrax album. It’s absolutely perfection.
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Hard for me to pick a favorite - it usually goes to Among the Living due to the nostalgia of having bought that album first when I was 14 years old. A longhair in my tech class in high school gave me Persistence of Time to sample, but I don't remember liking it back then.
But if I want to be honest and based on enjoyment factor alone, I'd probably say We've Come For You All is my favorite. I listened to that disc non stop from 2003-2005. They came off the Volume 8 slump and knocked it out of the park. Every single song on WCFYA is massive.
I still have yet to see them live, but maybe someday I can rectify that.
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ATL is easily my favorite. Interesting Anthrax discussion here:
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=122922&hilit=anthrax
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My interview with Frankie Bello was published today - check it out!!!
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https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-frankie-bello/?fbclid=IwAR0DGPd7BGLx4WjLQ4NBsHG77vbEbtelXb4jhqi-dgIDQPtbi9Tcj3TSM-8
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Holy shit, I'm out of breath just listening to him! :lol
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Holy shit, I'm out of breath just listening to him! :lol
;D :D :rollin
He does talk a lot!
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Just got my 30th Anniversary CD and Vinyl editions of their greatest record, Persistence Of Time.
So glad to finally have this beast on vinyl. I always thought this was their darkest and most serious record. Then I read the liner notes and Scott talks about how this is their darkest record and gives background snippets to what fueled each song.
Man, I just love this thing. Listening now, again.
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Just got my 30th Anniversary CD and Vinyl editions of their greatest record, Persistence Of Time.
So glad to finally have this beast on vinyl. I always thought this was their darkest and most serious record. Then I read the liner notes and Scott talks about how this is their darkest record and gives background snippets to what fueled each song.
Man, I just love this thing. Listening now, again.
I posted in the album thread. This album is amazing. They crushed it on this tour too.
Any extras with the anniversary edition?
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There's extra's, but it's not much. An interesting live version of I'm The Man and then a bunch of what are essentially 'making of' tracks. Not exactly demo's. There's also a DVD with footage of them touring with Maiden. Looks like it is camcorder type stuff. Charlie playing Nicko's kit on a couple of songs with Maiden. Frankie and 'Arry playing ping-pong. Behind the scenes stuff. It's rough, but watchable.
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Persistence of Time is my favorite record with Joey, and I love it. I've had it pre-ordered from Amazon for months, and of course, there was yet another "delay" and I might get it tomorrow (Saturday). Grrr...
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https://bravewords.com/news/anthrax-release-anthrax-40-episode-3-fistful-of-metal-it-s-a-long-way-to-the-top-video
So Anthrax are posting history of the band episodes leading up to July 18, which is the official 40th anniversary of the formation of the band. They are releasing videos every M-W-F. This past week are the first three episodes covering the formation of the band through Fistful Of Metal. Each episode runs 10-15 minutes. As a fan of Anthrax from the jump, these are fantastic. They detail the firing of Danny Lilker in great detail. Very interesting.
If you're a fan of the band, or would like to learn more about them, check these out.
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I literally just finished watching the first 3. I will definitely be on top of these.
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Persistence of Time is my favorite record with Joey, and I love it.
I'm right there with ya. Among is obviously awesome, too. But, the darker, more mature sound of Persistence is absolutely perfect. And, I love how Frank's bass really pops throughout the whole album. Truthfully, the only Joey album I'm not (NOT!) a fan of is State Of Euphoria. I find the lyrics from a few of the songs to be pretty weak.
And, they're really hitting it out of the park with the 40th anniversary videos. Looking forward to hearing from Joey next week.
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Neil Turbin really put Scott in a pickle with Danny Lilker. That’s fucking awful.
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Neil Turbin really put Scott in a pickle with Danny Lilker. That’s fucking awful.
Yeah, I always thought Lilker quit for some reason. I had no idea Neil fired him. I always knew there was some sort of friction with Scott and Danny over the years but they did do the S.O.D. records so it clearly worked itself out. Though, if I remember correctly, when VH1 did the Behind The Music, they neglected to mention Danny as a co-founder or something and it set Danny off. I think Scott had to do damage control on that. He said they clearly credited him in the interviews and whatnot, but VH1 left it out or altered it or something.
It's a pipe dream, but it would be cool to see Danny up there for a few of his songs if they do a tour or something. I know he's retired, but seems it would close the loop. Maybe at a show they record or something. He still has it from the quarantine songs he's played with Charlie and Scott.
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It's a pipe dream, but it would be cool to see Danny up there for a few of his songs if they do a tour or something. I know he's retired, but seems it would close the loop. Maybe at a show they record or something. He still has it from the quarantine songs he's played with Charlie and Scott.
Maybe it'll happen at the 40th anniversary livestream show they're doing. Since he, Neil and Spitz have all been involved in these videos, maybe they play Deathrider together. *fingers (and toes) crossed*
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Episode 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfeQSaEI0kk)
This was a great clip. I was LMAO.
How fucking old is Joey?
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Episode 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfeQSaEI0kk)
This was a great clip. I was LMAO.
How fucking old is Joey?
He's a few years older than Scott and Charlie. I believe he's 60.
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60 years old, I'm wondering if his hair is all his own or does he don a wig?
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60 years old, I'm wondering if his hair is all his own or does he don a wig?
Probably a weave.
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60 years old, I'm wondering if his hair is all his own or does he don a wig?
Probably a weave.
It definitely looks a little weird. But, really no worse than Gene or Paul.
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I love Anthrax. By far my favourite and most-listened-to of the big classic thrash bands to this day. Their unique vibe, sound and energy is so fresh and natural sounding. Charlie is an incredible drummer.
These videos are great. :tup :metal
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I rode a commuter train home from work with Charlie once. I remember seeing him once before on the train and thinking "that guy looks like Charlie Benante." So about two years ago, I get on my usual train home from work and I look down and see this:
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/57485730_10219487704447984_447906071827185664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=v2BS4HPe0D4AX_Phmzr&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=82dd17575ee200eecc2c9788e4d8a250&oe=60C50F2E)(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/57614977_10219487190475135_8854139638357426176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=jbPJX2CDKlQAX9K1bz7&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=529a301cfe8d9e3c5c8428ea3caa82d9&oe=60C42D24)
I was so confused - why would the drummer from Anthrax be on my little commuter train home to the northwest Chicago suburbs. Turns out the lives about 12 miles from me - I knew he was in the Chicago area, but would have expected that he'd live in a different county than mine. He was coming home from a day of shopping with his girlfriend (Carla from the Butcher Babies.). I left them alone - if I ever catch him again, I'll say hi.
And yes, I used his mugshot in the collage that day - it was the only good picture I could find of his head for comparison purposes. :lol
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I love Anthrax. By far my favourite and most-listened-to of the big classic thrash bands to this day. Their unique vibe, sound and energy is so fresh and natural sounding. Charlie is an incredible drummer.
This is me as well.
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I love Anthrax. By far my favourite and most-listened-to of the big classic thrash bands to this day. Their unique vibe, sound and energy is so fresh and natural sounding. Charlie is an incredible drummer.
This is me as well.
Same. I can still recall midnight on New Year's Eve 1987-88, standing outside my friend's house, drunk off my ass (but not enough that I don't remember - that came later), and blaring A.I.R. on my truck's shitty stereo and "singing," at the top of my lungs, "Young and free, something you'll never be!" To this day, A.I.R. and The Enemy are a couple of my all-time favorite songs by anyone.
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Episode 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfeQSaEI0kk)
This was a great clip. I was LMAO.
How fucking old is Joey?
How fucking young is Frank ? :o
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I rode a commuter train home from work with Charlie once. I remember seeing him once before on the train and thinking "that guy looks like Charlie Benante." So about two years ago, I get on my usual train home from work and I look down and see this:
I was so confused - why would the drummer from Anthrax be on my little commuter train home to the northwest Chicago suburbs. Turns out the lives about 12 miles from me - I knew he was in the Chicago area, but would have expected that he'd live in a different county than mine. He was coming home from a day of shopping with his girlfriend (Carla from the Butcher Babies.). I left them alone - if I ever catch him again, I'll say hi.
And yes, I used his mugshot in the collage that day - it was the only good picture I could find of his head for comparison purposes. :lol
If memory serves, I believe Charlie lives somewhere in the Elk Grove Village area. I know he is near Schaumburg, from what I remember. I believe Carla moved in with him there in the last year or two.
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What does 604 Katrina mean? I always wondered...
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We stayed in Schaumburg!
Watchung this 1986 show tonight..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MMMKNwYys
:metal
Yes Charlie has been a monster since the jump.
And Frankie is way underrated IMO.
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Fan since Fistfull some of the best guys to hang and party with ever ..period
a fav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60bGmDp8JB0
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If memory serves, I believe Charlie lives somewhere in the Elk Grove Village area. I know he is near Schaumburg, from what I remember. I believe Carla moved in with him there in the last year or two.
He may have been around there originally, but I did a little sleuthing back then and found out that he lives in Long Grove. I'm about 12 miles north of there.
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Episode 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfeQSaEI0kk)
This was a great clip. I was LMAO.
How fucking old is Joey?
How fucking young is Frank ? :o
Frankie is a few years younger than Charlie. The project he did with David Ellefson (Altitudes and Attitude) is pretty good.
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What does 604 Katrina mean? I always wondered...
It's about a seriously obese woman who reached 604 lbs in weight, I think.
Volume 8 is seriously underrated, imo.
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Volume 8 is a mixed bag for me, it starts incredibly strong with Crush, Catharsis and Inside Out, but it has also a lot of fairly mediocre tunes.
It's not bad but could've been better, especially coming in between the great Stomp 442 and the almost equally great WCFYA.
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What does 604 Katrina mean? I always wondered...
It's about a seriously obese woman who reached 604 lbs in weight, I think.
Volume 8 is seriously underrated, imo.
I love Volume 8, probably my fave of the JB era :metal
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JB? I thought, wait a minute, Joey Belladonna isn't on Volume 8, then I realized, John Bush is also a JB. ;)
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What does 604 Katrina mean? I always wondered...
It's about a seriously obese woman who reached 604 lbs in weight, I think.
Volume 8 is seriously underrated, imo.
I love Volume 8, probably my fave of the JB era :metal
I find that the high points of Volume 8 are great, but there are too many joke songs which harm the flow of the album.
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I find that the high points of Volume 8 are great, but there are too many joke songs which harm the flow of the album.
604 and Cupajoe could've definitely been left off. Toast To The Extras isn't horrible. But, it definitely doesn't fit with the rest of the album.
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I LOVE CUPAJOE!!!!
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I LOVE CUPAJOE!!!!
I'M WITH YOU, JAMMINDUDE!!
I love the presence of fun songs. Killing Box is the only one I skip, mainly due to the head-scratching lyrics and Anselmo's wall of screaming in the background. The rest of it works great for me. I wish there was MORE fun in metal, generally.
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I'm all for more humour in metal, but in Volume 8's particular case, it gives me the impression that they wanted to fill the gas between songs and had nothing to place there, so "hey, here's this internal joke we have, let's put it there".
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I rank Vol 8 third of the 4 Bush Era albums, although Catharsis might be the best track of all four albums.
There's an MP sighting in in Episode 6!
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I rank Vol 8 third of the 4 Bush Era albums, although Catharsis might be the best track of all four albums.
There's an MP sighting in in Episode 6!
Your ranking made me think about it. Is Stomp #4 for you? Looking at the albums, I think I would rank them:
1. SoWN - Even the cover tunes from this time kicked ass - Thin Lizzy's "Cowboy Song" and KISS' "Love Her All I Can".
2. WCFYA
3. V8
4. Stomp
That CD room of Portnoy's is fucking amazing! I'd love to see the whole thing.
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I go:
1. Stomp
2. SoWN
3. V8
4. WCGYA
Their cover of The Cowboy Song is killer!
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I got to see them on the SoWN tour. It was Anthrax with White Zombie and Quicksand opening. What a show! It was at an equestrian center in MD. And, every time the pit would start up, the dust would kick up making it tough to breathe at times. But, all three bands put on a killer show.
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I saw that tour as well. White Zombie fucking crushed it! They were INCREDIBLE and I wasn't even a fan.
They also did a short club tour. I think 3 shows on the East Coast and 3 on the West Coast. Headbanger's Ball was tagging along. I saw the show at Axis in Boston. It was incredible.
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Ranking:
1. Stomp
2. WCFYA
3. V8
4. SOWN
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I don't think I can rate the Bush era. I dig em all. They're all a bit different in tone too.
I do know that the song I play the most when I want a quick hit of awesomeness is the Greater Of Two Evils version of Metal Thrashing Mad. Just perfect!
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I had tix to see the NJ show on the tour where both Bush and Belladonna were supposed to be singing. Unfortunately, Belladonna bowed out of the tour. Could've been a lot of fun. Instead, it was a Bush tour supporting 'Attack Of The Killer A's'.
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The last time I saw Anthrax was the Stomp tour in January of '96.
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The last time I saw them with John Bush was at the NY Steel 9-11 benefit show with Sebastian Bach, Ace Frehley, Overkill and Twisted Sister. Because of the big "Anthrax in the mail scare" going on in 2001, they came out like this for the show...
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R915c4af697faa399798f2ea1225abce4?rik=lG9aAQD6pDj19Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.metalupdate.com%2fimg%2fnysteel%2fanthrax1.jpg&ehk=DrQQ%2fYRWD3x4noYEvllY2qRsft5J3xfRSz4fGwylyPk%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw)
The last time I saw them with Belladonna was the Yankee Stadium Big Four show.
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1. SOWN (my #1 all time Anthrax album period)
2. Vol 8
3. Stomp
4. WCFYA
Last time I saw Anthrax was summer of 2000. The Bush lineup was opening for Motley Crue (Megadeth also opened).
It was at a huge amphitheater in central Washington and I thought about leaving early. But MC did ok. I still think they are grossly overrated. The only thing that saved it was that they played a LOT of SATD material (which I still maintain is their only top to bottom “all killer no filler” fantastic album)
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I'm surprised at how many of you have WCFYA ranked last. That's my #1 John Bush-era album - so many awesome songs on that one.
1. WCFYA
2. SOWN
3. Stomp 442
4. Volume 8
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TAC, you've been to the New Haven Colosseum right? Did Anthrax, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden play on the same venue do you know? I'm trying to remember if that was the lineup for that show going way back...
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TAC, you've been to the New Haven Colosseum right? Did Anthrax, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden play on the same venue do you know? I'm trying to remember if that was the lineup for that show going way back...
I've never been to the New Haven Coliseum. I did see Metallica at the Hartford Civic Center on March 17, 1989.
Anthrax opened Iron Maiden's No Prayer tour in January of 1991. I saw that tour at the Brendan Byrne and the Providence Civic Center. Pretty sure they also played New Haven as well.
If they opened for Judas Priest, it would've been much later. I can't recall if they did or not, but they didn't in the northeast during my concert going prime.
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I'm surprised at how many of you have WCFYA ranked last.
I'm guilty. I love John Bush and I love Anthrax, but that album never did anything for me. And we waited so damn long for that one too.
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I'm surprised at how many of you have WCFYA ranked last. That's my #1 John Bush-era album - so many awesome songs on that one.
1. WCFYA
2. SOWN
3. Stomp 442
4. Volume 8
My ranking exactly.
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TAC, you've been to the New Haven Colosseum right? Did Anthrax, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden play on the same venue do you know? I'm trying to remember if that was the lineup for that show going way back...
Anthrax has opened for both the Ripper- (2002) and Rob-fronted (2011) Priests.
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I saw Anthrax open for Priest on the Demolition tour. Was only going to stay for Anthrax, but Priest and Ripper slayed it. Also blew out my ears for almost a week. That was the show that made me go with earplugs from then on.
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Really enjoying the 40th Anniversary clips. I've been watching some old shows on youtube and I ran through the original Belladonna albums over the last couple of days.
I know they are generally regarded as The Big 4's little brother, but I always really enjoyed Anthrax.
They were way ahead of their time with their social messaging and anti racism lyrics. I always thought that was cool. Plus their style would include some hard core elements and I thought it meshed well with what they were doing.
I always thought they easily had the best rhythm section of The Big 4 and Scott Ian is incredibly underrated as a rhythm player. The other thing I really noticed was just how good Joey sounded live.
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Frankie may be the most underrated part of that band. I especially love his playing on Persistence. Some really "in your face" stuff.
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Yeah, his bass rattling away under the guitars is a really core part of the sound.
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TAC, you've been to the New Haven Colosseum right? Did Anthrax, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden play on the same venue do you know? I'm trying to remember if that was the lineup for that show going way back...
I've never been to the New Haven Coliseum. I did see Metallica at the Hartford Civic Center on March 17, 1989.
Anthrax opened Iron Maiden's No Prayer tour in January of 1991. I saw that tour at the Brendan Byrne and the Providence Civic Center. Pretty sure they also played New Haven as well.
If they opened for Judas Priest, it would've been much later. I can't recall if they did or not, but they didn't in the northeast during my concert going prime.
Yes, you are right! It was Anthrax and Iron Maiden. The Painkiller tour was Testament, Megadeth and Judas Priest. It's all a blur lol I was at that show at the Civic Center. I remember my head feeling like it was going to snap off of my neck from all of the thrashing. I have the bootleg of that show still.
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I saw the Priest/Megadeth/Testament show in Worcester and holy shit it was amazing!
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So over the last two days, I ran through Sound Of White Noise and Volume 8.
I was a huge Armored Saint fan when John joined Anthrax, and I think I just had unrealistic expectations, but I distinctly remember being somewhat disappointed by it.
Only is an excellent song, and I always loved Hi Pro Glo and Invisible. And I thought This Is Not An Exit was really cool. The rest of the album was kinda meh. Now it's aged pretty well though. I also think that vocally, it might be John's best album of his career.
Volume 8 is heavy AF and it has a couple of great tunes, notably Catharsis and Inside Out.
But there's a number of tracks that just don't do anything for me..Born Again Idiot, Big Fat, Alpha Male. They really lose me in the second half of the album.
Gonna spin WCFYA. But I never cared for it, and I'm not expecting a big change. Been easily a dozen or so years since I've checked it out.
OK, here's my thoughts on WCFYA..
1. It sounds like a band out of ideas
2. It's tuned way too low
3. Monotonous mid tempo
4. Total lack of melody and harmony
The only song I'd consider putting on my Best Of The Bush Era would be Anyplace But Here. Safe Home is OK as is Refuse To Be Denied.
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Excellent episode added today. Cool that Caught in a Mosh was named after an incident in my hometown!
Organized my Thrax collection recently. And though I knew they recorded a lot of covers, didn't realize HOW MANY it's been. I have 40 (official releases) in my library and I'm thinking there could be more.
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Organized my Thrax collection recently. And though I knew they recorded a lot of covers, didn't realize HOW MANY it's been. I have 40 (official releases) in my library and I'm thinking there could be more.
I found a list that shows 42 cover songs by Anthrax. I have all but the Anthems album. I never picked that up for some reason. They usually do a really good version of whatever song they cover.
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I'm surprised at how many of you have WCFYA ranked last. That's my #1 John Bush-era album - so many awesome songs on that one.
1. WCFYA
2. SOWN
3. Stomp 442
4. Volume 8
I agree with this ranking too. Love the Bush era, and WCFYA is solid overall. Each of the Bushthrax albums have a few clunkers, but I enjoy all 4 of them.
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Organized my Thrax collection recently. And though I knew they recorded a lot of covers, didn't realize HOW MANY it's been. I have 40 (official releases) in my library and I'm thinking there could be more.
I found a list that shows 42 cover songs by Anthrax. I have all but the Anthems album. I never picked that up for some reason. They usually do a really good version of whatever song they cover.
I agree they do a good job on the covers too. I really like the Kiss ones and Auf Wiedersehen is pretty cool. Pick up Anthems!
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I will definitely read this.
https://bravewords.com/news/anthrax-bassist-frank-bello-to-release-memoir-in-october-features-foreword-by-gene-simmons
I didn't know his brother was murdered.
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I will definitely read this.
https://bravewords.com/news/anthrax-bassist-frank-bello-to-release-memoir-in-october-features-foreword-by-gene-simmons
I didn't know his brother was murdered.
The hidden track 'Pieces' on Vol 8 was written and sung by Frankie about his brother. On the reissue they made it a regular bonus track.
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Oh wow, OK. I don't think I had ever listened to it the whole way through.
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Good song.
Interesting to hear Frank talking about the bass tone on Among - that they spent a lot of time finding the right frequency for it to be audible between the guitar and drums. That's the core Thrax sound right there.
I think the two Joey reunion albums have been fine and have some good tracks but I've found the sound and feel a little blander somehow. Hope the new one has that real core Anthrax sound and energy.
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I think the two Joey reunion albums have been fine and have some good tracks but I've found the sound and feel a little blander somehow. Hope the new one has that real core Anthrax sound and energy.
I've always liked them, but I listened to them today while doing yardwork.
Joey's bass doesn't quite have the same clang it did on the classic albums. It's funny how things produced decades ago sound better than modern albums.
Anyway, I hear what you're saying, but I think sound wise they're fine. Both albums are excellent and have tons of Anthraxisms throughout.
Been watchung some older and newer live clips on youtube and I have to say, Joey is strong live. Way underrated in that regard.
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I saw Anthrax with John Bush and Joey, 2 or 3 months apart, in 2005. Joey has improved A LOT after his definitive comeback.
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Yeah, I think they're solid releases. Tons of respect. Love that they're still making good albums.
It's funny how things produced decades ago sound better than modern albums.
But so much this.
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Blood Eagle Wings suits Joey's current voice perfectly. He nails it.
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I think the two Joey reunion albums have been fine and have some good tracks but I've found the sound and feel a little blander somehow. Hope the new one has that real core Anthrax sound and energy.
I take this back wrt For All Kings.
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Blood Eagle Wings suits Joey's current voice perfectly. He nails it.
That whole song is AWESOME! And I agree that Frankie's bass is not that prominent on their more recent releases, but at least on Blood Eagle wings he gets to be in the forefront - and with a cool bass effect too!
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Just watched today's episode. Funniest thing was the caption they gave Caggiano. 'Fun guy to have a beer with'.
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So the Anthrax video series on youtube last week focused on State Of Euphoria. They talked a lot about how rushed it was, and Scott said the only songs that he felt were totally finished were Be All, End All, Now It's Dark, Who Cares Wins, and Finale.
Finale is actually one of my favorite Joey Era tracks.
This week, they will be talking about Persistence Of Time. Things should start getting interesting now.
The other night, I came across these two videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvjes9lN9IM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_wWkSR_VEU
They just do not look happy talking about this era.
Gonna watch the anniversary series video now..
Really just 10 minutes of them talking about the mood of the band around this time..
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Another great episode. The 10 minutes of each episode go by VERY quickly!
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They do! Love this band.
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I could watch these episodes all day long. I can't wait 'til they release the whole 3-hour or so long-form video of their entire history when they're all done. Supposedly, there will be even more footage than what they've been releasing.
And, I can't wait for that mid-July 40th anniversary concert! It will be awesome to hear the John Bush catalog again. PLEASE let him be a part of it!
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Frank Bello was on Robb Flynn's podcast, and like all podcasts, it takes a while tio get going, but once Frank starts talking about his life, holy shit is it is is engaging. I really can't wait for his book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ac6JnbbW0s
Also, whoever was in charge of uploading the youtube history videos was asleep at the wheel this week. We got the only video today where they talk about letting Joey go and bringing John in. Good stuff.
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Also, whoever was in charge of uploading the youtube history videos was asleep at the wheel this week. We got the only video today where they talk about letting Joey go and bringing John in. Good stuff.
Tell me about it. I was searching YouTube every day looking for a new video. They have slipped from the 3 a week to 2 a week and just the one this week.
You can tell how conflicted Scott and Charlie are with their decision to let Joey go. I tend to wonder if they had it to do over again, would they? I have seen in other interviews where they both stated how they feel so bad about letting Joey go.
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I watched the episode twice. Honestly, I was a little let down in their explanation why Joey had to be fired. "Creative ability for the band to move forward." Meh. Very vague. He was good enough up until 91 and he's been good enough for the last 11 years. But, not so much for those years in between.
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I think it was simple - they'd tired of his approach somewhat and thought the band needed to be gruffer in the context of what was cool at the time. Not especially pleasant, really, but I can understand it. Must be hard to talk about, given how well they all seem to get along now.
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Really enjoyed the episode from yesterday, and I can't wait to get deeper into the Bush era. Sound of White Noise does sound like a progression from Persistence, and I do agree that Bush fits that mold better than Joey. Yeah, they didn't handle the Joey firing well, but I agree that it was a better fit for where they were going. I just can't imagine Joey singing some of that mid-paced groove stuff on Stomp 442. There are things I would like to hear him sing from the Bush era though. I look at Bushthrax and Van Hagar in much the same way, both different, but excellent versions of already great and successful bands.
I wonder how much they will cover the Dan Nelson era and when Bush came back to cover a handful of gigs before Joey returned. I hope they at least discuss some of that, and not just gloss over it and be like Joey came back and here we are!
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Really enjoyed the episode from yesterday, and I can't wait to get deeper into the Bush era. Sound of White Noise does sound like a progression from Persistence, and I do agree that Bush fits that mold better than Joey. Yeah, they didn't handle the Joey firing well, but I agree that it was a better fit for where they were going. I just can't imagine Joey singing some of that mid-paced groove stuff on Stomp 442. There are things I would like to hear him sing from the Bush era though. I look at Bushthrax and Van Hagar in much the same way, both different, but excellent versions of already great and successful bands.
I wonder how much they will cover the Dan Nelson era and when Bush came back to cover a handful of gigs before Joey returned. I hope they at least discuss some of that, and not just gloss over it and be like Joey came back and here we are!
These episodes get better and better!
I do believe that Joey could have sung some of the material on those Bushthrax albums, but not all. He did sing 'Only" on that Big 4 concert in Bulgaria, and I think he has a harder edge in the songs of Worship Music and For All Kings, compared to his first tenure in the band. Scott and Charlie have admitted they fired Joey in part because both of them were not 100% mature at that time. Maybe if they spoke with him and mentioned they wanted to down tune stuff and have more of a plodding pace than before, he would/could have adapted.
I hope they include some stuff about Dan Nelson, much like I need to look at a car crash when I drive by it...morbid curiosity. And I did see a show with Bush when he was helping them while they figured things out - a mid afternoon slot on a festival. I was kinda hoping he would agree to return, but the band wanted him to simply do the vocals on Worship Music over the material that was already recorded, and he wanted to have an input on the way the songs were structured. That's the official version anyway, but I get the feeling that in John's mind, the Anthrax ship had sailed at that point, and he would rather have fun with his friends on Armored Saint. He has a voiceover business which allows him financial stability and a chance to see his daughter grow - why going on the road once again for as long as Anthrax does, and risk hearing all the criticism once again?
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Bushthrax! I haven't heard that one before! :)
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Joey singing Only - and missing half of the lyrics : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqzBpQMH0kY
And I didn't know Andreas Kisser played with them - that would have been great to see!!!
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I remember when I bought White Noise, I spent a lot of my first listens trying to decide if Joey could have sung them. I was angry over the Joey firing, but still bought the album on the strength of Only and the fact that I loved the band.
I think Joey has proven on the reunion albums that he was capable to handle the change. I loved John 5's honesty and take on the change. He conveyed my feelings exactly. Different, not necessarily better, but still good - I prefer the original. And like him, when I reach for some Anthrax, I generally reach for Joey material. But I still love Bush (you know what I mean, get your mind out of the gutter).
As for the doc, things will get messy after We've Come For You All. There was the classic lineup reunion and tour (which I saw and I was like a little kid I was so excited) and then Joey and Danny departed again and then the whole Bush/Nelson/Bush/Belladonna/Caggiano lineup changes.
They seem pretty open so far, so I kind of expect them to at least mention it.
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I remember when I bought White Noise, I spent a lot of my first listens trying to decide if Joey could have sung them. I was angry over the Joey firing, but still bought the album on the strength of Only and the fact that I loved the band.
I think Joey has proven on the reunion albums that he was capable to handle the change. I loved John 5's honesty and take on the change. He conveyed my feelings exactly. Different, not necessarily better, but still good - I prefer the original. And like him, when I reach for some Anthrax, I generally reach for Joey material. But I still love Bush (you know what I mean, get your mind out of the gutter).
Yeah the John 5 clip was quite interesting. I found it interesting that it made the final edit. And then to hear Scott talk about the Black Lodge video and single, you can feel the air come out.
But to back up....my first thought when I heard the let Joey go was....why? They seemed to have finally achieved major success, increasing their notoriety with every passing album. They finally were co headlining major tours. I really can't believe they were willing to give that up.
But to their credit, they wanted the change. They wanted to move the band/music in a different direction. John thought his songs needed a different kind of voice. To me, it was career suicide, but you have to respect that.
When I heard it was John Bush joining, I was psyched on one hand, but extremely disappointed on the other because that basically meant the end of Armored Saint, who also just had put out their best album, though real success proved to be more fleeting for them.
In 1991, I saw Armored Saint twice and Anthrax 3 times.
I was actually lukewarm on SOWN at first. I really didn't know what to think of it. I loved Only, Hi Pro Glo, This Is Not An Exit, and Invisible right away, but the rest really took me a long time to get.
Their shows were great though. Before their actual tour started they did a thing with Headbanger's Ball where they played 3 East Coast and 3 West Coast dates I believe. I saw them at Axis in Boston. Then they came back. Rob Zombie mentions in the clip that White Zombie opened for them. I saw that show in Providence, and holy shit White Zombie was amazing. One of the 5 best opening acts I've ever seen.
Back to Scott's comments regarding Black Lodge, you can hear it in his voice. To me, this is the moment the Anthrax train stopped dead in its tracks.
Looking forward to how they address Dan Spitz leaving. They really never replaced him, with all due respect to Jon Donais.
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Anthrax really found perfect ways to sabotage their band. Persistence of Time really was a high point in their career, then they decided to replace Joey. Bush came in and they had endless trouble with record companies, and as soon as they found their stride with that lineup and released We've Come For You All, what was their next step? an album re-recording the material of their previous singer, with Bush on vocals. Ok, this was a move to solidify Bush's presence right? Why on earth then, would they go on a reunion tour with Belladonna, completely alienating Bush from the band - purely because he had a newborn then, and wanted to spend time with the family, as opposed to going on that tour.
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Which one has the discussion with John 5 and Scott's discussion on Black Lodge?
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Which one has the discussion with John 5 and Scott's discussion on Black Lodge?
The most recent one.
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Which one has the discussion with John 5 and Scott's discussion on Black Lodge?
This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-wlQIrBYF0
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I totally skipped over the Frankie quitting the band fiasco! I totally forgot about that. He and Charlie had a falling out and they replaced him with Joey Vera. I saw them at least twice with Joey on bass. I don't even remember exactly when that was. Somewhere in the Stomp/Vol 8 timeframe or something.
EDIT: I was way off. It was after We've Come For You All. Technically, The Greater Of Two Evils.
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I totally skipped over the Frankie quitting the band fiasco! I totally forgot about that. He and Charlie had a falling out and they replaced him with Joey Vera. I saw them at least twice with Joey on bass. I don't even remember exactly when that was. Somewhere in the Stomp/Vol 8 timeframe or something.
It was on the Greater of Two Evils era. I saw them in Rio on that tour, with Joey Vera. I think the falling out was because Frankie wanted to play with Helmet, but Charlie didn't like it. Is that it?
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I totally skipped over the Frankie quitting the band fiasco! I totally forgot about that. He and Charlie had a falling out and they replaced him with Joey Vera. I saw them at least twice with Joey on bass. I don't even remember exactly when that was. Somewhere in the Stomp/Vol 8 timeframe or something.
It was on the Greater of Two Evils era. I saw them in Rio on that tour, with Joey Vera. I think the falling out was because Frankie wanted to play with Helmet, but Charlie didn't like it. Is that it?
Yeah, I was updating my post as you corrected me.
To also back up what TAC said, I agree about the Danny thing. The neverending carousel of players after he left kind of left me numb to whomever was handling those duties. For several albums it was Paul Crook, Dimebag, Charile, etc sharing lead duties. Then Caggiano coming and going during the will they/won't they back and forth with Joey and John. Jon is the most stable in some time, but he's only played on one album so he is still a bit of an afterthought to me.
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Agreed on Jon Donais and Rob Caggiano, but I would wager that both of them added their own flavors to the band's sound. Rob's tenure was longer than we remember on a good day - from 2001-2005, then 2007-2013. I love his work on We've Come for You All. And Jon, as short as his stint has been, clearly added some flare to For All Kings. I don't think he blends in with the band as well as Caggiano, but playing-wise, it's great.
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I know I'm in the minority here, but I am one of the few who prefers the Bush era.
'Bush-Thrax' (love that) might just be the band I've seen most live. They toured a ton in 90's when I was in my prime concert-going years, and thanks to their dip in popularity, they played the clubs. I reckon I saw the mighty 'Thrax a dozen or so times with Bush, and most of those shows I was front and center (along with say 100 other people), singing along to every song.
'Among the Living' was fine, and 'Persistence of Time' had some cool stuff, but it wasn't until I heard 'Only' that my ears really perked up. "WTF...they got the guy from Armored Saint singing for them?!??!?"
Thanks to 'White Noise,' I went back and really found a new appreciation for the Joey years.
Later in life, and as someone who has been in bands, I can say now that I have a hard time understanding how and why they made the move, but for a teenage me, it's what turned me onto the band. Had they not done it, I'm not sure I'd ever have given their catalog a shot.
Stray thoughts:
***All 4 Bush albums rock, but I think WCFYA is the peak of the mountain...LOVE that album
***I really dig the reunion albums, and all in all, I'm happy they reunited with Joey
***The Dan Nelson thing was....confusing.
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Dan could have worked, if he wasn't an asshole: https://youtu.be/Fp5E2wuZOOQ
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Wow, that's a great video. He can actually do both Joey and John.
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Do we know the REAL story of that? As a non-fan, that just all seemed really wierd, and I never got a really good explanation of the whys' and hows'.
I'm watching that video, and I have a sort of cool respect for Scott Ian; like him or not, he has a vision and is no dummy. Props.
Why is the guy from Big Bang Theory on there?? :)
Thoughts: Eddie Trunk is a douche though I'll say, he didn't self promote; Henry Rollins is cool as crap; almost EVERY ONE of the people giving their impression have some sort of musical or comic book paraphernalia in the background. I'm sure it is planned that way, but the commonalities are to me hilarious. (By the way, I would kill to spend 30 minutes in John 5's room, with all that Kiss shit).
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You mean the real story behind Dan Nelson getting fired? I think the story of him crapping on Frankie Bello's back was true. I don't remember Dan ever making an effort to deny it.
The Big Bang Theory guy is a huge metal fan, and released a solo album with metal songs. Scott Ian is a guest on a few songs, including this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL_TbdT4hbY&t=205s
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You mean the real story behind Dan Nelson getting fired? I think the story of him crapping on Frankie Bello's back was true. I don't remember Dan ever making an effort to deny it.
The Big Bang Theory guy is a huge metal fan, and released a solo album with metal songs. Scott Ian is a guest on a few songs, including this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL_TbdT4hbY&t=205s
Whoa....I've never heard that story....Assuming that it was some sort of prank gone bad, that's pretty insane.
I always just assumed that they were 'testing' the waters and then offers came in and it came down to money as much as anything else.
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Oh, Brian Posehn. Yeah, he is a huge flag-waver for Metal and is friends with many in the community.
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I found this article..
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/anthrax-settles-lawsuit-with-former-singer-dan-nelson
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I came across this:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/sacked_anthrax_singer_slams_band.html
And saw this discussion (take it for what it is):
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/threads/was-this-ever-confirmed.644778/
Will definitely be curious to see how the Dan Nelson story is told....
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I came across this:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/sacked_anthrax_singer_slams_band.html
And saw this discussion (take it for what it is):
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/threads/was-this-ever-confirmed.644778/
Will definitely be curious to see how the Dan Nelson story is told....
So wait….who crapped on who? Earlier people were saying Dan was fired for crapping on Frank, but that thread makes it sound like Dan took a crap and hid it on the bus, and then the band retaliated by having Frank crap on Dan.
So did Dan crap on Frank? Or did Frank crap on Dan?
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I also remember hearing rumours that Nelson was hitting on Scott's wife or something. I have nothing to back that up tho.
I hope they do clear up what happened.
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Today's episode featured Stomp 442. I was interested in this because Stomp is hands down my favorite Anthrax release across all eras.
Nothing complicated about Danny's exit. He basically lost interest. You could tell it had been building for a while. I thought Scott was a bit too blunt but respect for Dan and his comments about the band.
The two guys that recorded Stomp seem like fucking jokers. :lol
That album came out at a weird time in my life, and it was the perfect album. The lyrics really spoke to me. I literally felt like Anthrax made the album just for me..
Seems they're on to Volume 8 in the next episode.
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Today's episode featured Stomp 442. I was interested in this because Stomp is hands down my favorite Anthrax release across all eras.
Nothing complicated about Danny's exit. He basically lost interest. You could tell it had been building for a while. I thought Scott was a bit too blunt but respect for Dan and his comments about the band.
The two guys that recorded Stomp seem like fucking jokers. :lol
That album came out at a weird time in my life, and it was the perfect album. The lyrics really spoke to me. I literally felt like Anthrax made the album just for me..
Seems they're on to Volume 8 in the next episode.
I love Stomp 442 as well, and wanted this episode to last longer! i wanted more of those two guys...
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Danny's exit is pretty much exactly what I already knew. I had heard that they just couldn't find him when the time came to do the album. He just disappeared. The only revelation to me is that he did show up 2 or 3 times. But, yeah, the story I always knew was he never technically quit, he just disappeared and became a master Swiss watchmaker.
Nice to see Paul's hair is still as white as ever. Looked that way when I saw him tour with them. Hasn't changed much at all.
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Great record. Some great sounds there. My interest in the band came back fully at this point. (I'd not fallen out of love with em or anything. My interest was just elsewhere at the time. Weird time of life.)
Volume 8 next which is the hidden gem of their whole career, imo.
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I didn't mind the comments about John vs. Joey - I think they were just highlighting that it's impossible to please everyone. Some people won't be into the new lineup and some will, even when it comes to other musicians that were fans at that time.
I don't see them being very forthcoming about Dan Nelson's exit, since they haven't been in the past. I'm excited for the segment on WCFYA through the first Joey reunion and Dan Nelson.
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Okay, so I've looked and looked and I must be an idiot, bc I can't find the podcast you guys are all referencing—what podcast is this where I can listen to a couple of guys discussing Stomp 442?
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Okay, so I've looked and looked and I must be an idiot, bc I can't find the podcast you guys are all referencing—what podcast is this where I can listen to a couple of guys discussing Stomp 442?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQef8udFb0I
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That Stomp episode was great. As you guys have said, I wish it was longer. Very cool to hear Danny be so open about leaving the band. I never got to see him with the original line-up the first time around. I had to wait until the reunion tour with him and Joey.
The Stomp tour was pretty cool. I got to see them at this awesome shithole in NJ called the Birch Hill (R.I.P.) with Life Of Agony and Deftones opening. Wasn't a Deftones fan but was thrilled to be seeing LOA for the first time live. It was also Paul Crook's first gig with the band.
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I find it funny that while it seemed the band had all sorts of stops and starts during the Bush Era, that the release of the videos covering that era are haphazard as hell. :lol
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I could have used a little more about the music on that one. But probably biased as I love that album so much.
Cool to hear Charlie name Stealing From A Thief as one of their best tracks. Have always felt the chorus has a perfect alignment of syllables, melody and delivery.
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I could have used a little more about the music on that one. But probably biased as I love that album so much.
Cool to hear Charlie name Stealing From A Thief as one of their best tracks. Have always felt the chorus has a perfect alignment of syllables, melody and delivery.
Stealing From a Thief' just might be my favorite album closer, with 'This is Not an Exit' running a close second.
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I too wanted to learn a little bit more about the songs on Volume 8 - and that's the Anthrax album I listened to THE LEAST.
The pun on Sabbath's Volume 4 would have landed if they did a spoof of the original album cover. The way they did it, the joke fell incredibly flat.
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I could have used a little more about the music on that one. But probably biased as I love that album so much.
I agree. And for me, I would say the same thing about Stomp 442. They really glossed over these albums. In a way, I'm a bit disappointed because it's this era that is the most mysterious, and for me, the most interesting.
But it's typical with rock docs and books, as they spend half of it going over the beginnings and gloss over the actual majority of the career.
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Not sure if this video was already discussed or not but I just saw it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiI-7Lfg71I
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Not sure if this video was already discussed or not but I just saw it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiI-7Lfg71I
He HAD to say this and get it off his chest... forty years later.
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Not sure if this video was already discussed or not but I just saw it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiI-7Lfg71I
He HAD to say this and get it off his chest... forty years later.
#MEETOO
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Not sure if this video was already discussed or not but I just saw it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiI-7Lfg71I
He HAD to say this and get it off his chest... forty years later.
So you're saying he had to get this off his chest? :biggrin:
Seriously, there might be some truth to what he's saying, but he really does himself a disservice looking like a has been never was that's just whining. If you're gonna make a video like this, for starters plan what you're gonna say and don't do it completely off the cuff. Make sure you can back up your claims with something more concrete like some recordings that give indisputable evidence. Better yet, have Neil Turbin and/or Greg D'Angelo vouch for you. At this point, it's a "he said/she said" scenario, and he just comes off looking like a fool. :facepalm:
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I've seen that video pop up before, and I've frankly never had any interest in watching it.
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He makes a few valid arguments (how the creation of the songs happened) and the fact that he doesn’t seem to be seeking money, only acknowledgment. But ya, mostly just whiny and angry.
I mean, if it is true, he probably has a right to be angry…but after 40 years, you have to grow up and learn to live with the fact that you made an extremely poor decision not to say something a long time ago and move on. I’m not still whining over the guy who stole my brand new leather jacket when I was 16. I made a poor decision to leave it out in a place where I thought I could trust people. I’ve moved on.
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So no J-Dude show with a leather jacket rant coming up?
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So no J-Dude show with a leather jacket rant coming up?
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Well, now that I’m thinking about, I’m pissed off all over again!!!!
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That's the spirit! :lol
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Just watched the newest episode. It was definitely a crazy time for them. Caggiano was always interesting to me. That Mike Nesmith-ish wool cap he always wore at the beginning always cracked me up. Their set at the New York Steel show was absolutely amazing. For everyone there who realized what they were going through at the time with their name, the crowd roar they came out to when they were wearing those Tyvek suits had to be mind-blowing for them. I remember screaming at the top of my lungs. They played a short set. But, they killed it!
(http://www.blackenedtrading.net/uploads/NYSteel.jpg)
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Nice ticket scan!
I also liked the last episode, because it was really a dark time for them. I wasn't paying a ton of attention to them, yet there also didn't seem much to pay attention too. I remember there being a long time between Vol 8 and WCFYA.
They also seemed to better explain Paul Crook leaving the band than they did with Joey.
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They also seemed to better explain Paul Crook leaving the band than they did with Joey.
I got the gist of why they fired Joey back then - Charlie admitted to being arrogant and Scott said that he just felt that creatively, they needed another singer. It was just this decision of "we need a new singer," even though the reason for needing one was probably very thin and not easily explainable. In their heads, Anthrax had to have a new singer in order to be a creative force again, regardless of how anyone else felt about it.
I was surprised at the last episode. 10 minutes of them just saying "BUT IT'S JOHN CARPENTER!" :lol I was worried that they were going to completely gloss over the WCFYA record, but thankfully that's going to be the next episode. That album is what brought me back to Anthrax after giving up on them with Volume 8.
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I got the gist of why they fired Joey back then - Charlie admitted to being arrogant and Scott said that he just felt that creatively, they needed another singer. It was just this decision of "we need a new singer," even though the reason for needing one was probably very thin and not easily explainable. In their heads, Anthrax had to have a new singer in order to be a creative force again, regardless of how anyone else felt about it.
Oh I totally get it. I just thought they'd spend a bit more time on it.
I was worried that they were going to completely gloss over the WCFYA record, but thankfully that's going to be the next episode. That album is what brought me back to Anthrax after giving up on them with Volume 8.
I simply do not get WCFYA. At all.
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Not sure if this video was already discussed or not but I just saw it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiI-7Lfg71I
Even if he's right - which I find dubious - I HATE videos like that. "I HAVE to be honest, I have to be blunt!" "I quit because Scott was a bastard and rip-off artist". No, you're a fucking nobody and Scott is in one of the Big Four (I know that doesn't necessarily follow logically, but still). You can be anything you want, and coming out 40 years later with an angry victim story isn't going to give you any more credibility than that.
EDIT: The more I watch - and I can't pull away - it's more maddening. He's basically saying "Scott Ian ripped me off, but I wrote those and can prove it because I ripped off Ted Nugent and Moody Blues!" He claims an "affinity" for the "walk-down" and fails to acknowledge that Motorhead did that ("Ace Of Spades") long before him.
I think some of the shots at Ian - "Rosenfeld" and "he can't play guitar" - are unnecessary, especially from a guy that basically flipped houses his whole life.
Bitterness is such an ugly trait.
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They also seemed to better explain Paul Crook leaving the band than they did with Joey.
[EPICVIEW] I disagree Boss ,,, thats not really the way it happened
They say its about how they have no money, its about signing Caggiano to a contract for less money. but its obvious that they were pissed off at him by the way he accused Carpenter of leaving an error in a movie. Thats the real reason why they kicked him out. comparing him to Belladonna is just ridiculous
The drama is better than the music.... love the spin on this one by the "band" MY OPINION[/EPICVIEW]
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Ouch! :lol
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WCFYA video is up. It's my least favourite of the Bush albums by a long way, honestly.
I love Refuse To Be Denied, Superhero, Nobody Knows Anything and Black Dahlia.
What Doesn't Die, WCFYA, Any Place But Here, Strap It On and Think About An End a fair bit less.
Safe Home, Cadillac Rock Box, Taking The Music Back don't do anything for me.
I saw them on this tour in London, though, and it was an absolutely fantastic night. I'd been into them since Among came out but had not seen them until that point.
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What caught my attention is that at the end of the WCFYA video it says "coming up next" and the cover of Worship Music is shown. Which means they will completely ignore two albums - The Greater of Two Evils and Music of Mass Destruction - and the whole Dan Nelson fiasco.
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WCFYA video is up. It's my least favourite of the Bush albums by a long way, honestly.
It's easily my least favorite Anthrax album, and the only one I actively don't like.
To me, there's just something missing. There's no melody, just straight ahead brutality.
I do like Taking The Music Back, Any Place But Here, and Think About An End. Safe Home would be much better without that ungodly verse.
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That's probably why i love the album so much! :metal :metal :metal :metal
It really was a great comeback record after Volume 8. Every song on WCFYA just knocks you on your ass with a HUGE riff. John's vocals have plenty of melody for me. At the time I was just a casual Anthrax fan, but this disc put them back in one of my top bands. I remember listening to this album so much throughout 2003 - I had just gotten my first real office job out of college and it was my commute music as I drove my '72 Mustang down the highway. No A/C, windows down, WCFYA cranked as loud as possible, racing through rush hour traffic.
I really regret not going to the Chicago Metro show that they filmed for the DVD on this tour. I honestly think I'd put this album as my #2 Anthrax record behind Among the Living. It's just that good.
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What caught my attention is that at the end of the WCFYA video it says "coming up next" and the cover of Worship Music is shown. Which means they will completely ignore two albums - The Greater of Two Evils and Music of Mass Destruction - and the whole Dan Nelson fiasco.
I noticed that, too. I'm hoping that, even if the majority of the episode focuses on Worship Music, they at least talk about the Joey/John tour that fell through and the Dan Nelson debacle. I mean, there was even a reunion of the classic line-up for about a year or so that resulted in a live CD/DVD. I was at that show in Sayreville they recorded. What an amazing show that was! The energy was incredible.
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Didn't Frank leave for a bit too?
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Didn't Frank leave for a bit too?
Yeah, he left in 2004 (to join Helmet) and was replaced by Armored Saint's Joey Vera.
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Didn't Frank leave for a bit too?
Yeah, he left in 2004 (to join Helmet) and was replaced by Armored Saint's Joey Vera.
I saw them with Joey Vera.
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WCFYA video is up. It's my least favourite of the Bush albums by a long way, honestly.
It's easily my least favorite Anthrax album, and the only one I actively don't like.
To me, there's just something missing. There's no melody, just straight ahead brutality.
I do like Taking The Music Back, Any Place But Here, and Think About An End. Safe Home would be much better without that ungodly verse.
Funny isn't it? The metal parts for me are great, but the less metal parts just don't pump me. Unlike Vol 8 where they did. There's almost a rock vibe on it that feels like Thrax Diluted
to me.
Totally agree about the verse on Safe Home. The chorus is ok but the the verse is super clunky, somehow.
I also don't agree with them about the great sound they talked about. It sounds kinda muffled and mid-rangey to me.
But I loved it at the time and played the hell out of it. Also have lots of car memories of it. I feel bad moaning about it cos I love the band, of course.
There sure is a lot to cover before the arrival of WM!
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Just been in the car down to the local shops to pick up a steak with Nobody Know Anything at a massive volume.
The drums on that track are fucking incredible!
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What caught my attention is that at the end of the WCFYA video it says "coming up next" and the cover of Worship Music is shown. Which means they will completely ignore two albums - The Greater of Two Evils and Music of Mass Destruction - and the whole Dan Nelson fiasco.
I noticed that, too. I'm hoping that, even if the majority of the episode focuses on Worship Music, they at least talk about the Joey/John tour that fell through and the Dan Nelson debacle.
Given that they're going through their whole history, I will be very disappointed if they completely blow off the Dan Nelson debacle as if it never happened.
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Same.
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Well, Worship Music was written at the time that Dan Nelson was in the band and he sang some of those songs live. Maybe they don't get into the details, but I think they could mention him.
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Always found it hard to get into this band, although For All Kings is excellent.
Anyway, scrolling through my YouTube recomendations the video for a song called What Doesn't Die popped up. Since I've been digging the latest Armored Saint gave it a view. Man, awesome heavy shit. I think I own WCFYA (Lol, never listened to probably) but I might try and find it and give it a spin.
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WTF is going on with this video series??
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WTF is going on with this video series??
The same disc as happened with the rotating door of their vocalists! Nobody knows!
Probably worried about Dan Nelson slapping them with a lawsuit. :P Be curious to see if and how they address that whole mess. Can't imagine they'd talk Dan into appearing on the video even if they gave him some money - the fall out between them seemed pretty bad.
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Alright...so I finally got around to watching this, and boy oh boy, this might be the best 'metal' documentary I've ever watched (spoken as a huge Anthrax fan).
Really well done, so kudos to all the guys in the band.
I'm definitely on the island with the four other dudes who not only prefer the John Bush years, but rank his albums way up on the list (SOWN is a top-5 album of the 90's for me), but I appreciated all the early years stuff.
It's funny, the episode where they talked about the singer change was pretty much ten minutes of beating around the bush ;)
All in all, I can't wait to watch the rest of this series...been listening to the catalog all week...totally forgot how good For All Kings sounds.
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Dangit Tim - I was thinking they finally uploaded a new episode. Guess not. :tdwn
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The live stream was yesterday.
Anthrax released this video from it..The Devil You Know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkmSzdiwGS0
They also released a Thank You video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGD-LU2fksM
This dude has uploaded a couple of tracks:
AIR (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGD-LU2fksM)
Among The Living (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI_4iVmstxg)
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This is the setlist according to some dude n Youtube that is doing a review of it.
Anthrax - 40th Anniversary Livestream Tracklist:
Fight 'Em 'Til You Can't (With “Time” intro)
Madhouse
Caught in a Mosh
Metal Thrashing Mad
Got the Time
I Am the Law
Keep It in the Family
Lone Justice
The Devil You Know
Be All, End All
Now It's Dark
Antisocial
In the End
Medusa
Evil Twin
Indians
A Skeleton in the Closet
Aftershock
Blood Eagle Wings
Bring the Noise
A.I.R.
Among the Living
Encore:
Breathing Lightning
Protest and Survive
Efilnikufesin (N.F.L.)
No Bush tunes??
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Given that Neil Turbin and John Bush both participated in the web docuseries, I really thought they would bring them back to sing a few songs for the livestream.
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Did they talk about the Dan debacle?
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Given that Neil Turbin and John Bush both participated in the web docuseries, I really thought they would bring them back to sing a few songs for the livestream.
Yeah I agree, and that would be a big letdown if I were to pay for it. I would've expected John Bush for 3 or 4 tracks.
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Did they talk about the Dan debacle?
Not yet - that's what I'm waiting for, which should be in the next episode (23) if they continue on with it. Now that they've done the live stream, there's less to celebrate, so I'm wondering if they still will. Hopefully we'll find out soon...
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Despite all the hype about this livestream, looking at the setlist it feels like they played it safe. No guests, no deep tracks...
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Despite all the hype about this livestream, looking at the setlist it feels like they played it safe. No guests, no deep tracks...
That's how I felt. I think the lack of any guest vocalist is out of deference to Joey. I always get the feeling that they have to walk on eggshells regarding him and any potential thing with someone else singing in the band, even a guest spot. At least they played a long set.
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Despite all the hype about this livestream, looking at the setlist it feels like they played it safe. No guests, no deep tracks...
That's how I felt. I think the lack of any guest vocalist is out of deference to Joey. I always get the feeling that they have to walk on eggshells regarding him and any potential thing with someone else singing in the band, even a guest spot. At least they played a long set.
That's exactly my take. They have been bitten too many times with trying a multi-vocalist thing. They are in a good place with Joey and he is bringing it. I think they have learned not poke the bear, so to speak. I believe they have only had Joe sing Only. Not sure if they have ever even discussed other John era songs with him. Would actually love to know if it has ever came up. But then I can see why maybe it never has. The way they dumped Joe, I guess I couldn't blame him if he had no interest.
As for the setlist, Aftershock and Lone Justice were surprises. I would have loved to see Armed and Dangerous complete with the intro in there.
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New video!
Unfortunately, it's just a 5 minute thank you vid.
TAC will get excited by Frankie's shirt, that's about it.
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Yes, that's a fine piece of wardrobe there!
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Here's my .02 about the 40th anniversary livestream -- it was marketed as a celebration of the band's FULL history. The imagery associated with promoting the event contained the cover images of the Bush-era catalog. AT THE VERY LEAST songs from the Bush era should have been played. They sure as hell played stuff from Turbin. Why not John Bush?
They played "Only" during the Big 4. So there's no excuses. The bottom line is, Anthrax MISREPRESENTED what they were doing. It was a great show, marred because they essentially lied about what they were doing.
I don't know what the deal is with them and Bush. They (Charlie, Scott, Frankie) LOVE the Bush era catalog, and frankly, that's the music they want to play. Joey says the right things, but obviously, the proof is in the pudding -- he doesn't sing the Bush stuff except for "Only" during that brief period. I thought that Bush and the Anthrax guys were all in a good place, relationship-wise. Maybe they still are. All I know is, while I didn't expect Bush to be there (although I was really hoping for it), I DID expect, based on what Anthrax marketed the show as, a representation of the Bush era catalog. And we got ZERO.
They won't be getting my money again for a while.
My wife and I have seen Anthrax many, many times. Always a good show. We stopped going to see them, however, because the setlist got stale. I think we saw the first leg of the For All Kings tour. But all the songs other than those on the new record were stuff we've heard many times. It just got stale.
I was just saying, prior to the Anthrax livestream, that we should probably go see them again, and about a quarter of the way through, was really encouraged by how well they were playing. At the end, after we realized they bamboozled us into thinking they'd celebrate the Bush era catalog, we completely reversed course.
What Anthrax did was a slap in the face to John Bush and a slap in the face to the fans. Hell, I even got banned from Anthrax's Facebook page by saying that they put on a wonderful show but at the same time, did the Bush era fans wrong and it was disrespectful to Bush. That got my comment deleted and me banned from their page. :lol ::)
Alrighty then... lol.
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Here's my .02 about the 40th anniversary livestream -- it was marketed as a celebration of the band's FULL history. The imagery associated with promoting the event contained the cover images of the Bush-era catalog. AT THE VERY LEAST songs from the Bush era should have been played. They sure as hell played stuff from Turbin. Why not John Bush?
They played "Only" during the Big 4. So there's no excuses. The bottom line is, Anthrax MISREPRESENTED what they were doing. It was a great show, marred because they essentially lied about what they were doing.
I don't know what the deal is with them and Bush. They (Charlie, Scott, Frankie) LOVE the Bush era catalog, and frankly, that's the music they want to play. Joey says the right things, but obviously, the proof is in the pudding -- he doesn't sing the Bush stuff except for "Only" during that brief period. I thought that Bush and the Anthrax guys were all in a good place, relationship-wise. Maybe they still are. All I know is, while I didn't expect Bush to be there (although I was really hoping for it), I DID expect, based on what Anthrax marketed the show as, a representation of the Bush era catalog. And we got ZERO.
They won't be getting my money again for a while.
My wife and I have seen Anthrax many, many times. Always a good show. We stopped going to see them, however, because the setlist got stale. I think we saw the first leg of the For All Kings tour. But all the songs other than those on the new record were stuff we've heard many times. It just got stale.
I was just saying, prior to the Anthrax livestream, that we should probably go see them again, and about a quarter of the way through, was really encouraged by how well they were playing. At the end, after we realized they bamboozled us into thinking they'd celebrate the Bush era catalog, we completely reversed course.
What Anthrax did was a slap in the face to John Bush and a slap in the face to the fans. Hell, I even got banned from Anthrax's Facebook page by saying that they put on a wonderful show but at the same time, did the Bush era fans wrong and it was disrespectful to Bush. That got my comment deleted and me banned from their page. :lol ::)
Alrighty then... lol.
Spot on! And based on the videos they did addressing the history of the band, I even expected Dan Spitz to be there for at least one song.
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Spot on! And based on the videos they did addressing the history of the band, I even expected Dan Spitz to be there for at least one song.
I agree Brian. It was kind of a rip job. I thought the setlist was excellent, but the lack of Bush Era stuff is inexcusable. I think three tracks would've been just fine, and I too, expected John Bush to have made an appearance.
And Rodrigo, I definitely expected a Dan Spitz sighting, if even for just one song.
No surprise that Greg Walls wasn't there. ;D
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Wow, no Greg Walls. That IS a slap in the face. :)
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What Anthrax did was a slap in the face to John Bush and a slap in the face to the fans. Hell, I even got banned from Anthrax's Facebook page by saying that they put on a wonderful show but at the same time, did the Bush era fans wrong and it was disrespectful to Bush. That got my comment deleted and me banned from their page. :lol ::)
I guess they showed you!!!! ::)
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What Anthrax did was a slap in the face to John Bush and a slap in the face to the fans. Hell, I even got banned from Anthrax's Facebook page by saying that they put on a wonderful show but at the same time, did the Bush era fans wrong and it was disrespectful to Bush. That got my comment deleted and me banned from their page. :lol ::)
I guess they showed you!!!! ::)
Yeah, way to win a fan's support, right?
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[And based on the videos they did addressing the history of the band, I even expected Dan Spitz to be there for at least one song.
For some reason, I didn't think Spitz lived in the US anymore. I thought I remembered him moving to Holland or somewhere in that vicinity a number of years ago.
And, it definitely was a great setlist... that represented about 25 of their 40 years.
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Here's my .02 about the 40th anniversary livestream -- it was marketed as a celebration of the band's FULL history. The imagery associated with promoting the event contained the cover images of the Bush-era catalog. AT THE VERY LEAST songs from the Bush era should have been played. They sure as hell played stuff from Turbin. Why not John Bush?
They played "Only" during the Big 4. So there's no excuses. The bottom line is, Anthrax MISREPRESENTED what they were doing. It was a great show, marred because they essentially lied about what they were doing.
I don't know what the deal is with them and Bush. They (Charlie, Scott, Frankie) LOVE the Bush era catalog, and frankly, that's the music they want to play. Joey says the right things, but obviously, the proof is in the pudding -- he doesn't sing the Bush stuff except for "Only" during that brief period. I thought that Bush and the Anthrax guys were all in a good place, relationship-wise. Maybe they still are. All I know is, while I didn't expect Bush to be there (although I was really hoping for it), I DID expect, based on what Anthrax marketed the show as, a representation of the Bush era catalog. And we got ZERO.
They won't be getting my money again for a while.
My wife and I have seen Anthrax many, many times. Always a good show. We stopped going to see them, however, because the setlist got stale. I think we saw the first leg of the For All Kings tour. But all the songs other than those on the new record were stuff we've heard many times. It just got stale.
I was just saying, prior to the Anthrax livestream, that we should probably go see them again, and about a quarter of the way through, was really encouraged by how well they were playing. At the end, after we realized they bamboozled us into thinking they'd celebrate the Bush era catalog, we completely reversed course.
What Anthrax did was a slap in the face to John Bush and a slap in the face to the fans. Hell, I even got banned from Anthrax's Facebook page by saying that they put on a wonderful show but at the same time, did the Bush era fans wrong and it was disrespectful to Bush. That got my comment deleted and me banned from their page. :lol ::)
Alrighty then... lol.
Man, I could not agree more.
Having seen the band at least half a dozen times with Bush, I always appreciated the effort they made to include 5 or 6 'classics' into the set—certainly more than VH ever did with Sammy. And, to his credit, Bush killed that stuff (I always loved his take on 'Indians').
I get that it's a sticky situation, but for all the times Joey has said he could've sung 'White Noise,' they certainly don't seem to want to give him a chance to prove it. Joey's voice is still sounding great. Honestly, given his age, I kinda can't believe how good he sounds on 'For All Kings,' and for that reason, I'd love to hear his take on a song like 'Black Lodge' or 'Inside Out.'
For whatever the reason, the band has closed the door on that era, and for that reason, they've lost my interest as a fan.
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That is quite poor. Esp the Facebook treatment. I love the Bush era. I wonder why they didn't include anything? Maybe Joey doesn't like the idea? Maybe they look on it as their "less successful" phase...
I didn't shell out for it. But had they included Bush and Spitz and advertised that I definitely would have.
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The Worship Music episode is now online.
They completely skipped the 2005-2010 years. No mention of the classic lineup reunion that caused John Bush to leave. No mention of Dan Nelson. They can spend 10 minutes raving about working with John Carpenter on one movie soundtrack, but can't expand on five years of the band where things were really crazy and volatile and providing an and explanation from them about certain decisions.
Though I guess "firing John and bringing Joey back because promoters offered us too much money" is as simple as it gets. Again, probably just tip-toeing around Joey and not bringing up bad times.
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It's about time they put up the next episode! It's been almost 2 weeks since the last one. Might've even been 2 weeks. Haven't gotten to watch the episode yet. But, that's disappointing to hear... Totally omitting 1/2 of one of your 4 decades seems kinda silly.
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Definitely disappointing. There should have been a full episode just discussing 2004-2011 with all the turbulence.
What I dislike the most is one of Scott's statements at the end of the episode where he says:
"I can say with the guys who are in Anthrax - me and Joey and Charlie, Frankie, John Bush... like all these diff.... Danny Lilker, Spitz – all these different people you've seen in all these weeks and weeks of documentary series - there's no bad blood, man. There's no bad blood at all. Rob, Paul Crook, y'know - if I missed anyone, I'm sorry."
Oh yeah, you unintentionally missed somebody. How convenient. And I'm sure there's no bad blood with said missed individual at all, which is why you glossed over his history with the band in the first place. ::)
And right there, he loses loses credibility. So much for being a completely honest documentary...
Yeah, maybe legally they couldn't touch on the Dan Nelson thing at all, but not a peep was mentioned about Frankie leaving for a bit, nor with the fiasco of who their vocalist would be, even if Dan Nelson wasn't brought up. At the very least, the statement I quoted above shouldn't have been included because it clearly is a load of crap.
I hope one day there will be an UNauthorized biography on the band produced, because you'll get a far more accurate story about what happened during 2004-2011. Really disappointed in them.
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Ugh. Really feels so insincere not to mention it. As a fan who was hanging on every bit of news over those years, looking forward to new stuff, hearing different things every few months... Bullshit by omission. I'm not watching any more of these
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Seriously. I was waiting for this whole thing to be over, and then IF I heard it had delivered on its promise, I was going to do a binge watch marathon over a weekend at some point. Now…I don’t even care.
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Seriously. I was waiting for this whole thing to be over, and then IF I heard it had delivered on its promise, I was going to do a binge watch marathon over a weekend at some point. Now…I don’t even care.
Each episode has been really good - I'd say that you are missing out, even if the band decided to skip over five years that they didn't want to draw attention to.
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So, I expected nothing about Dan considering they don't talk about him at all after the lawsuit. I also didn't expect John or Danny to show up for the live thing. Pretty sure John has stated that he is done fronting them. It's Joey's gig.
Doing some googling and my guess is that there is an NDA or something regarding Dan and the lawsuit. This tidbit seems to lean into that thought:
Bassist Frank Bello emerged from a closed-door court conference yesterday muttering, “I’ve got to put a Band-Aid on my tongue from biting it so much.”
Ex-lead singer Dan Nelson filed a $2.65 million defamation suit last year against Bello, drummer Charlie Benante and guitarist Scott Ian over his abrupt departure from the band on the eve of a planned European tour in 2009.
Lawyers for both sides said the case was settled confidentially yesterday in Manhattan federal court.
As for Worship Music, love the album and love the love they gave Joey. In The End is one of the best songs they've ever written. Joey showed them that they probably never needed to let him go, they just needed to give him a shot.
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But this talk of “honesty” was bull puckey.
Honest would have been to AT LEAST say, “Look folks, for legal reasons, there’s a few things we have to skip over. It’s not our fault, and we’re really sorry.”
That would have been disappointing…but honest. What we got? Wasn’t.
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Seriously. I was waiting for this whole thing to be over, and then IF I heard it had delivered on its promise, I was going to do a binge watch marathon over a weekend at some point. Now…I don’t even care.
Each episode has been really good - I'd say that you are missing out, even if the band decided to skip over five years that they didn't want to draw attention to.
Yes, definitely worth watching.
Personally, I don't care how or even if they covered Dan Nelson's involvement. I had totally forgotten about him before he was brought up in this thread. But to not have any John Era material in the performance was disgraceful.
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New episode! Worship Music!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbxWU_8JG_I
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Final episode went up today. It's just over 40 minutes. Biggest takeaway from me was the sheer love and respect they showed Joey. So happy to see him get the credit he deserves.
I also took delivery on a 45rpm mastered double vinyl of Worship Music. Very happy to get my hands on that.
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Got over my annoyance about Bush/Nelson omissions and watched the last one. Really good. Great band. One of the all time greatest.
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I saw that they posted the new video. I didn't really have 40 free minutes to sit and watch it. I will hopefully today.
Biggest takeaway from me was the sheer love and respect they showed Joey. So happy to see him get the credit he deserves.
I have no doubt that they are being genuine, but the cynic in me (and I'm not really a cynical person) is that they KNOW Joey is their ticket for work.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ex-anthrax-singer-neil-turbin-says-bands-recent-40th-anniversary-documentary-didnt-represent-him-in-the-best-light/
Things to make you say hmmmm.....
Gives the impression that maybe there's legitimacy to what Greg Walls was saying in that one video, although he still came off looking like an idiot. Makes me wonder how much creative editing was done to portray a certain story for that whole series of videos. Still haven't bothered watching that final episode because of how 2004-2011 was completely skipped over.
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The last episode was definitely worth watching.
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Makes me wonder how much creative editing was done to portray a certain story for that whole series of videos.
There's always gonna be editing to guide the narrative a particular way. As for them only using a fraction of his stories... It WAS Anthrax's 40th anniversary, not Neil Turbin's. What did he expect?!? I love the band. But, just from what I've heard other people say about interactions with him, I can see Scott being a douche (at least from time to time). I'm sure there's at least a little truth in what Neil's saying. There's his side, their side and the truth somewhere in the middle. Hell, there could even be some credence to what that Greg guy has said. We'll never know for sure. You just gotta decide who you're gonna believe.
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I somehow missed this entirely, but next Friday they are releasing the livestream show on CD/Blu-ray.
https://www.amazon.com/XL-Anthrax/dp/B09YVHT9X6/
I know a bunch of you don't care or whatever due to the doc, but I just put my order in.
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I somehow missed this entirely, but next Friday they are releasing the livestream show on CD/Blu-ray.
https://www.amazon.com/XL-Anthrax/dp/B09YVHT9X6/
I know a bunch of you don't care or whatever due to the doc, but I just put my order in.
I'm listening to this on Spotify right now. I'm not likely to watch the video, and not sure I want to spend $25 on this. I love Anthrax but I'd be more likely to just listen to their albums over this, though this is a great playlist by itself. The production seems to lack a bit of punch, and I'm not sure I would revisit this much.
I don't know, maybe something extra for Christmas, but I don't have anything in my Amazon account right now, and I'm not laying out cash.
How about a new fucking album instead?
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I somehow missed this entirely, but next Friday they are releasing the livestream show on CD/Blu-ray.
https://www.amazon.com/XL-Anthrax/dp/B09YVHT9X6/
I know a bunch of you don't care or whatever due to the doc, but I just put my order in.
How about a new fucking album instead?
Big fat meh on this release. Yes please to a new album. Other than a vague interest in what a band sounds like live, I never listen to live recordings.
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Been going through their discography over the last few months and was unfamiliar with them before that (aside from their name ofc). Guess I should have posted thoughts on each album as I went through them (though I could write some post once I finish) but I'm just listening to Worship Music for the first time and it's surprisingly great! Crawl is a really clear standout after 1 listen! :)
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Worship Music has some killer tracks, top 5 Anthrax record, maybe even top 3. And the next one, For All Kings is just as good imo.
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Worship Music has some killer tracks, top 5 Anthrax record, maybe even top 3. And the next one, For All Kings is just as good imo.
Yes! Both of the Reunion albums are amazing! So frustrating that's all they've done.
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I noticed the Belladonna vs Bush debate is actually a lot bigger than I expected. I would say Bush is a great singer and I like his first and last album(s) with the band but Stomp and Volume 8 were definitely the roughest patch of the discography to get through IMO. I would say even stretching slightly into We've Come For You All (although I do think it's a bit better), the creativity just felt a bit lacking and the band felt a bit ran into the ground. Worship Music comes in like a really nice shot of energy into a band where I thought I wouldn't have much left to cheer for. I am intrigued to check out For All Kings as well!
Since I missed the boat on doing a post here every week for each album as I go through them (which I'm currently doing with Megadeth in their thread here) I can post my thoughts at the end since I'm so close. Only one more studio album left after this one. :)
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I noticed the Belladonna vs Bush debate is actually a lot bigger than I expected. I would say Bush is a great singer and I like his first and last album(s) with the band but Stomp and Volume 8 were definitely the roughest patch of the discography to get through IMO. I would say even stretching slightly into We've Come For You All (although I do think it's a bit better), the creativity just felt a bit lacking and the band felt a bit ran into the ground.
I'm not sure how much of a debate there is. I think even the most ardent Bush supporters (of which I am one) recognizes classic Anthrax is with Joey.
They switched from Joey to John because Charlie and Scott wanted to take the band to a darker vibe, and well, Joey was not the voice for that sort of thing. While guitarist Dan Spitz hung on through Sound Of White Noise, they were essentially a four piece after that, there were only so many places a darker Anthrax could go.
Personally, Stomp 42 is my favorite Anthrax album period. Volume 8 is OK, and has aged pretty well, but I just do not connect with any song on We've Come For You All.
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Classic Anthrax is with Joey Belladonna, but at times I wished he would have more grit in his voice. Sometimes it's almost like a hair-metal-singer in a thrash-metal-band. The more surprised I was with his singing on the reunion records. His voice has matured, there's a rough edge to it, that really its the music.
John Bush is simply awesome. I'm with Tim in that Stomp 442 is the best Bush-era record and maybe even the best Anthrax record. But unlike him I like WYCYA and I'm not so keen on Volume 8. Some good songs but some serious clunkers too, very mixed bag for me.
@Zantera: I would like to read your thoughts on those Anthrax records. It's always fun and interesting to hear others express their feelings/experiences for music that I like.
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Sound Of White Noise is another Thrax record with John I love. :tup Love the Bush era except WCFYA, tbh.
I was a bit fed up they got Joey back rather than John, but the last 2 records were good and very well received so I think they made the right choice as far as it being a popular one is concerned. Joey's voice has changed quite a bit and lacks lacks energy or something these days but he's a lot older so totally expected. John sounds immensely fresh and engaging on that last Saint album. Would have loved to have had that on a new Thrax record but that ship has sailed.
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Sounds Of White Noise did nothing for me. I know I'm probably alone in this, but apart from the first two songs it sounds tired and uninspired although Bush is singing his heart out. Stomp 442 was a welcome change of pace, maybe that's why I like that record so much. There's so much raw power and energy that the other Bush records are missing.
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Sounds Of White Noise did nothing for me.
SOWN has aged really well, but I gotta admit, I had no idea what to think about it when it came out.
I was a bit fed up they got Joey back rather than John,
I feel like they were getting offers for "classic" Anthrax. I believe that was more sellable, jumping on the retro bandwagon. The Big 4 tour had probably been in the works for a while, and I'm sure the promoter/management wanted to sell the classic lineup.
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HUGE fan of all 4- Bush-thrax albums here!
In fact, I prefer John's era to Joey's era (I'm way in the minority here), and also share the love for Stomp 442 (although, it's probably second behind SOWN for me).
That all said, I think the last two Joey albums are among the band's best work and feel like a continuation of Persistence of Time (which I considered the best Joey album by a long mile).
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Sounds Of White Noise did nothing for me.
SOWN has aged really well, but I gotta admit, I had no idea what to think about it when it came out.
I was a bit fed up they got Joey back rather than John,
I feel like they were getting offers for "classic" Anthrax. I believe that was more sellable, jumping on the retro bandwagon. The Big 4 tour had probably been in the works for a while, and I'm sure the promoter/management wanted to sell the classic lineup.
This makes complete sense to me.
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I feel like they were getting offers for "classic" Anthrax. I believe that was more sellable, jumping on the retro bandwagon. The Big 4 tour had probably been in the works for a while, and I'm sure the promoter/management wanted to sell the classic lineup.
They definitely were - they reunited with Joey and Dan Spitz in 2005, five years before the Big 4 shows were played. That's when John split and they did the Anthrology compliation and Alive 2 shows. Joey then split and you had the Dan Nelson experiment prior to the Big 4.
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HUGE fan of all 4- Bush-thrax albums here!
In fact, I prefer John's era to Joey's era (I'm way in the minority here), and also share the love for Stomp 442 (although, it's probably second behind SOWN for me).
That all said, I think the last two Joey albums are among the band's best work and feel like a continuation of Persistence of Time (which I considered the best Joey album by a long mile).
I agree with everything said here regarding preferring John's era, and the love for Joey's last two Anthrax records.
When I met John a few days ago, he said he really appreciates the love for his era in Anthrax and loves the songs they did.
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They definitely were - they reunited with Joey and Dan Spitz in 2005, five years before the Big 4 shows were played. That's when John split and they did the Anthrology compliation and Alive 2 shows. Joey then split and you had the Dan Nelson experiment prior to the Big 4.
I was at the NJ 2005 show with Joey and Spitz. It was freaking awesome! I've always loved the Bush era albums and was bummed to see him gone. But, I'm not gonna lie. I was thrilled to get to see the classic lineup live for the first time. My first time seeing them live was for SoWN. When they did the livestream for their 40th anniversary at the end of '21, I was really hoping they'd bring John in to sing a song or two from his albums. They brought in Chuck D for Bring The Noise. Kinda seemed like a lost opportunity.
Speaking of Dan Nelson. A little old. But, I hadn't heard this before...
https://blabbermouth.net/news/former-anthrax-singer-dan-nelson-pleads-guilty-to-attacking-two-older-men (https://blabbermouth.net/news/former-anthrax-singer-dan-nelson-pleads-guilty-to-attacking-two-older-men)
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I went to a June 2006 show celebrating (I think) Among the Living. Both Joey and Dan Spitz. It was at this shit hole in the wall called The Pound. It was a legendary shit hole for thrash bands in the Bay Area. I think it closed a few months after that gig.
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Found an Anthrax thread, and figured it'd be a good place to post this:
Charlie Benante on Drumeo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jePN_AB0syw
He talks about drumming both in Anthrax and Pantera, of course. Super-fun watch. Really enjoy him.
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Nick, thanks for posting it. I've seen it in my feed but I haven't had a chance to watch it.
You convinced me to do it!
Yes, Charlie is great. He's got an amazing memory, and I'm not sure he has ever really gotten the credit that he is due. He's a phenomenal drummer.
His drum duel with MP was amazing and so much fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGDaVJOi2U
Love the look on MP's face when Charlie busts out 6:00.
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Charlie is the shit. His name doesn't ever really pop up when people talk about great drummers, but he is awesome. :metal
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His drum duel with MP was amazing and so much fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGDaVJOi2U
Love the look on MP's face when Charlie busts out 6:00.
Yeah, I remember this one. Always fun to watch.
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Thanks for sharing the Charlie Drumeo. Only halfway through and so much good stuff. I didn't love WCFYA but there is a song I always play off it and that's Nobody Knows Anything. The drums on that are insane.
Charlie (and Thrax) are fantastic. They've aged the best of all the classic thrash bands for me.
Charlie is one of those guys you know is him as soon as you hear it. He's got such a vibe - and is SO tight!
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Yeah, I never connected with WCFYA.
In the recent Top 25 Bassists Countdown, I had Frank Bello at #4.
So funny that Charlie is actually Frank's uncle.
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Charlie is the shit. His name doesn't ever really pop up when people talk about great drummers, but he is awesome. :metal
Hells yeah. I still can't personally get behind them calling the current iteration of what they're doing, Pantera. Whatever. Charlie was my #16 on the DTF Top 25 drummer countdown for his work with Anthrax and SOD. :metal
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So funny that Charlie is actually Frank's uncle.
I did not know that! That is pretty funny.
...and I do enjoy WCFYA a fair bit. It's my second favorite (after SOWN) of the Bush-era (not that there's a ton of records in there ;))
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I think Charlie is underrated in the metal drumming world for sure, even though he does still get a lot of respect. For me, he's the best of the Big 4 drummers. I know a lot of people will drop Lombardo or Menza, but I think Charlie takes the cake. Spreading the Disease was the first Anthrax album I bought, and when Gung Ho came on I was like "holy shit!". Also, he writes a lot of Anthrax riffs and is a pretty solid guitar player. He is still going strong at 61 too.
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Couple of things stuck out to me in that. He's been playing drums since he was 4 and (according to him) put down the first blast beat on record (S.O.D. - Milk)
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Couple of things stuck out to me in that. He's been playing drums since he was 4 and (according to him) put down the first blast beat on record (S.O.D. - Milk)
Yep, I kind of remember having read about the first blast beat on record before...
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Dan Lilker is going to fill in for Frank for some South American and US shows coming up in April and May. That would be cool to see him playing in Anthrax again.
Also, listened to Vol 8 yesterday. I hadn't listened to that album in quite some time. I have never been a big fan of that album, and it's still my least favorite Bushthrax album, but it's still a decent record with a few really solid tunes on it.
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Also, listened to Vol 8 yesterday. I hadn't listened to that album in quite some time. I have never been a big fan of that album, and it's still my least favorite Bushthrax album, but it's still a decent record with a few really solid tunes on it.
I listened to it fairly recently. I'll still take it over WCFYA, but it's really uneven. Still, Catharsis might be my fave Bush Era Anthrax tune.
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Crush has always been my favorite from Volume 8. But I do think that 604 is a nice, fun little tune. :lol
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Crush and Carthasis are the clear standout tracks, then some solid songs and then some not so good ones. Overall Volume 8 is a very uneven affair.
And I think that WCFYA on the whole is a lot better. :biggrin: :metal
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I would love to be able to see Dan play with the band, but it's mainly South America. I've seen the classic lineup, I've seen Joey Vera on bass during the Bush years, seen Paul Crook, Caggiano, etc. Never saw Lilker. That would be a real treat to see.
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And I think that WCFYA on the whole is a lot better. :biggrin: :metal
:metal :metal :metal :metal There's no comparison - WCFYA is amazing. :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I think WCFYA is the worst album in their catalog. ;D
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I think WCFYA is the worst album in their catalog. ;D
I think you meant to say State Of Euphoria.
While not terrible, it's their worst. They even say so.
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Love Volume 8. A top Thrax choice for me. Love the production, variety and massive, chunky grooves. As well as those tracks mentioned, Hog Tied, Stealing From a Thief, Big Fat. Pretty much love it from top to toe.
WCFYA has three solid tracks (the first 3 after the intro) and one fantastic one (Nobody Knows Anything). The rest is either rock-leaning filler or just sounds unfinished. I remember Scott talking a lot about Safe Home (love song to his wife) when it came out but it's a real stinker, afaic. Dunno what they were thinking. Having said that, they felt solid as a lineup with Rob on guitar and John in front. I loved them since the mid 80s, but this tour was the only time I've seen them live and they were fucking fantastic. In the (now buried under the tube station) Astoria in London.
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WCFYA has three solid tracks (the first 3 after the intro) and one fantastic one (Nobody Knows Anything). The rest is either rock-leaning filler or just sounds unfinished. I remember Scott talking a lot about Safe Home (love song to his wife) when it came out but it's a real stinker, afaic. Dunno what they were thinking. Having said that, they felt solid as a lineup with Rob on guitar and John in front. I loved them since the mid 80s, but this tour was the only time I've seen them live and they were fucking fantastic. In the (now buried under the tube station) Astoria in London.
I like Safe Home :) I mean, it doesn't quite sound like an Anthrax song, but as a radio-friendly, melodic hard rock tune it works for me...
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I think my issue with WCFYA is that it's made in a 00's hard rock/metal vain. I am just not a fan of that style of music. I find it grinding and generally devoid of melody, much like 00's metal.
Volume 8 also has them trying for a "modern-ish" style., but I can relate to more of it.
I was going to listen to Spreading The Disease this morning, but at the last minute, I decided on Fistful. It's been quite a while since I've listened to it, but it hit me that Neil Turbin is fucking obnoxious on it. Wow!
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State of Euphoria isn't great but I'd say it's better than all the Bush albums except for maybe Sound of White Noise which is pretty decent. But I would say their songwriting in general was a lot weaker in Bush's decade of being in the band compared to the decade before when they made their best albums. So I don't necessarily blame the singer, he did what he could.
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State of Euphoria isn't great but I'd say it's better than all the Bush albums except for maybe Sound of White Noise which is pretty decent. But I would say their songwriting in general was a lot weaker in Bush's decade of being in the band compared to the decade before when they made their best albums. So I don't necessarily blame the singer, he did what he could.
It's funny because I was a huge Armored Saint fan, so I should've loved the new Anthrax with John Bush, but I actually remember being disappointed with SOWN. It has aged greatly though.
Stomp 442 is probably my favorite as it spoke to me at that time in my life and has never left me.
Scott and Charlie were really struggling with the direction of the band. They let Joey go, Dan Spitz was next, and then even Frankie left.
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It's funny because I was a huge Armored Saint fan, so I should've loved the new Anthrax with John Bush, but I actually remember being disappointed with SOWN. It has aged greatly though.
Stomp 442 is probably my favorite as it spoke to me at that time in my life and has never left me.
Scott and Charlie were really struggling with the direction of the band. They let Joey go, Dan Spitz was next, and then even Frankie left.
It was a weird time in general for the 80s metal bands I'd say. Metallica became Alternica with Load/Reload, Megadeth mellowed out for a bit and Anthrax seemed to go the groove metal route of Pantera (but not quite hitting those highs). I can appreciate the experiment but I kinda feel those albums are a case of being there at the right time / right place sort of situation.
But overall I guess I'm a little bit bummed because Persistence of Time is an album I love (sometimes maybe even my favorite album they made) and it was more of a darker atmospheric thrash metal album and after that you get the change in singer and direction so it makes me wonder what could have been if they kept going that route.
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With the news of Lilker stepping in for a few, I went down the rabbit hole I have been meaning to for years and started checking out his work. I recently picked up the first few Nuclear Assault albums and am really enjoying what I am hearing.
Then, to my absolute surprise, I see that Danny played bass on Anthrax's cover of Ball Of Confusion. Somehow, that tidbit escaped me all these years. I had no idea and can't believe I missed that.
Anyway, I think Nuclear Assault is as deep as I am going to get with his post-'Thrax stuff. The rest is a bit too much for me.
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The first 3 NA albums are amazing, and I place Handle With Care among the greatest thrash albums ever recorded.
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Yeah, I never got into Nuclear Assault back in the day. Wasn't really my kind of metal. I have checked them out in recent years and have enjoyed it, but haven't really done a deep dive on them.
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Game Over by Nuclear Assault is an absolute classic afaic. Learned to play fast thrash rhythm guitar to that record! :metal
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I'm in the vast minority here as someone who came on board the Anthrax train with Bush, and thus, prefers his era.
During my formative thrash years, the band really just didn't do anything for me. I like Joey's voice, but it didn't sound like 'fit' (at least, to me) until Persistence of Time (which is a fantastic album).
The last two 'reunion' albums are also pretty good listens, but for me, revisiting Anthrax typically means listening to the 4 Bush albums and nothing more.
As for how I rate them:
1. Volume 8 – I love everything about this record. "Crash" and "Catharsis" are stellar, the 'deep cuts' (like "Big Fat," "Hog Tied") are great, and "Stealing From a Thief" is my favorite closer from the band.
2. Sound of White Noise – Right up there with Volume 8. Just a freaking solid listen from top to bottom. "Only" and "Room For One More" are the go-to classics, but "Potters Field" and "Black Lodge" are equally essential in my book. "This Is Not An Exit" is a monster of a closer.
3. Stomp 442 – Just a barrage of riffs. I know that this album rubbed fans the wrong way, but for a teenage me, this felt like the 'right' way to embrace those hardcore and punk influences. To me, Stomp 442 is my favorite production from the Bush run, largely because it sounds so raw and unattached to the sonic trends of the time. "Drop The Ball" is my favorite 'deep cut' from this album, but the whole thing is great. "Nothing" is also a fantastic single.
4. We've Come For You All – I 'like' this album a lot, but agree with some of the above comments that it's the one record where I think a few of the songs fall into 'filler' category. Chop off the two interludes and a couple of the non-essentials (like "Cadillac Rock Box") and you have an album that flows way better.
So there you go, one man's take on 'Bush-thrax.' If I were doing an entire catalog ranking, the first three on the above list would be at the top, likely followed by POT and For All Kings.
I'm happy the band found a way to carry on, but I think the whole departure of Bush/Dan Nelson saga really to the wind out of my fandom sails. To take the analogy one step further, it really felt like the band was a bit rudderless there for a few years. I fully recognize that dysfunction is a part of every band, but jeez. (Reading Scott Ian's book didn't help my opinion).
That said, everyone seems happy to be where they are, and right now, in 2024, I think all is well and right in Anthrax land.
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I appreciate your perspective. I haven't read Scott's book. Would you recommend it? I just got some Amazon money and I'm planning on finally getting Frank's book.
You mentioned going back and checking out the Joey Era. Have you also gone back and checked out Armored Saint?
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I appreciate your perspective. I haven't read Scott's book. Would you recommend it? I just got some Amazon money and I'm planning on finally getting Frank's book.
You mentioned going back and checking out the Joey Era. Have you also gone back and checked out Armored Saint?
Scott's Book was, well, it was a 'pretty good' read. Like so many of the RnR memoirs I read, I feel like he really focused on the stuff that I already knew or didn't care about. Like, rather than dedicating 50 pages to crazy tour stories, could we please get a paragraph or two on the actual song-writing???
I think my biggest takeaway from Scott was that Charlie was the engine, and Scott was the face. So, I suspect that a book from Charlie would offer the greatest insight into the actual 'music.'
I will say this, though, Scott owns the whole Joey/John stuff–essentially says it was his decision, and lays it out in a very straightforward, unapologetic way. In fact, he was remarkably candid throughout. So, yeah, to answer your question 3 paragraphs later, I'd recommend it.
LOVE Armored Saint. I will forever maintain that they are the epitome of 'underrated' (whatever that means). They had/have all the right ingredients, but for whatever reason, failed to hit at the 'right' time. I think, with Bush's voice, had he not joined Anthrax, Armored Saint could've made a crossover album that would've rivaled TBA or Countdown.
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LOVE Armored Saint. I will forever maintain that they are the epitome of 'underrated' (whatever that means). They had/have all the right ingredients, but for whatever reason, failed to hit at the 'right' time. I think, with Bush's voice, had he not joined Anthrax, Armored Saint could've made a crossover album that would've rivaled TBA or Countdown.
I was a huge Armored Saint (and Anthrax) fan back in the day. It's ironic that both bands put out their (up to that point) best albums and then each basically blew themselves up.
I remember reading an article in Kerang!, I think, before Symbol came out, and the band stated that they had a lot riding on the album, and that if it didn't gain them any ground, that they might not be able to continue as is.
I consider Armored Saint a Top 10 band for me, but they just never fit in anywhere. The 90's did a number of a ton of 80's bands. Seems the only one that tried to adapt to the changing environment was Anthrax. But I'm more of a classic metal guy, and I found the direction on Volume 8 and WCFYA hard to really get into, as they were more modern sounding, which I respect, but didn't necessarily love. I will say that there is plenty on Volume 8 that I do like though.
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Does anyone else love Soror Irrumator as much as I do? I wish this song was featured more by the band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfM_HxAGnk
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Does anyone else love Soror Irrumator as much as I do? I wish this song was featured more by the band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfM_HxAGnk
Yes!
And that's not the first time they owned a comp (RE: "Poison My Eyes")
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I'd put Megadeth's Angry Again and Queensryche's Real World over Poison My Eyes from the Last Action Hero soundtrack. Even that Alice in Chains song too.
The Mastodon song on that compilation (White Walker) is amazing as well. I think their song (White Walker) fit Game of Thrones better than Anthrax's thrash song, but I still love it.
Regarding For All Kings, I feel like Worship Music is better. On Worship, the guitars sound tuned down on some songs, allowing Joey some room to sing lower. On For All Kings, he's constantly in a higher register and his vocals become very samey from song to song. Still a great record, but tiring to listen to.
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I'd put Megadeth's Angry Again and Queensryche's Real World over Poison My Eyes from the Last Action Hero soundtrack. Even that Alice in Chains song too.
The Mastodon song on that compilation (White Walker) is amazing as well. I think their song (White Walker) fit Game of Thrones better than Anthrax's thrash song, but I still love it.
Regarding For All Kings, I feel like Worship Music is better. On Worship, the guitars sound tuned down on some songs, allowing Joey some room to sing lower. On For All Kings, he's constantly in a higher register and his vocals become very samey from song to song. Still a great record, but tiring to listen to.
I hear you there.
To that point, Joey is freaking incredible! At his age, he's barely lost a step (if that)...definitely enjoy his lower range, and I sincerely hope that they ride this lineup out to the end.
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Does anyone else love Soror Irrumator as much as I do? I wish this song was featured more by the band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfM_HxAGnk
Never even heard of that song. Thank you!
But geez, if that's the best song on that album, that album isn't very good.
I'd put Megadeth's Angry Again and Queensryche's Real World over Poison My Eyes from the Last Action Hero soundtrack. Even that Alice in Chains song too.
Not sure I agree on Real World. I consider Poison My Eyes a Top 10 Bush Era track.
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Never even heard of that song. Thank you!
But geez, if that's the best song on that album, that album isn't very good.
Not sure I agree on Real World. I consider Poison My Eyes a Top 10 Bush Era track.
That Game of Thrones album was mostly rap songs, I think - the point was to try and pull rap music fans into watching GOT. Anthrax and Mastodon had tunes on there (which are both killer). But that's about it.
I haven't listened to poison my eyes in a long time, but I definitely preferred the Megadeth and QR songs.