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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: abydos on April 27, 2009, 08:46:34 AM
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So yeah... it is officially out now, I just got my preordered copy and now I can "legally" say - IT's FUCKING AWESOME!
But, being me and all that I will point out a few really, really small "glitches":
- the sudden and abrupt end of We Come Undone.
- the bonus CD isn't really that great (compared to the debut or Free, the latter one having bonus material on par with the album itself, imo). No Celebrations is a really heavy song (especially for OSI), more like the original idea of OSI (think debut) with Tim Bowness doing some really unexpected vocals for him. I thought this was going to be something dark and broody but it turned out to be almost a straight (prog) metal song. The cover song - Christian Brothers. Really? I don't know who picked that but I think it's a bad choice. I don't like that song at all (original too). The extended version of Terminal, however, is pure gold. The first 6 minutes are the same as the album version but after that Kev and Gavin do their thing - great electronic melodies with Gavin doing some really sweet drumming. This time the drums aren't blending in but instead they are out on the surface. Really cool.
- no extended version for Blood :p Seriously, Kevin MUST do a re:Blood EP. This album is just asking for it.
The rest of the songs are near or flat out perfect, imo. Because of these minor things I'll give this album a 9.9/10. Yeah, I love OSI that much.
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The first four songs are pure awesome, even if they get a bit lengthy. I have mixed opinions on the rest of it. I think Microburst Alert is really cool for the grooviness of it.
Haven't listened to the bonus tracks yet.
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I'm abydos (hooray, we agree on something! :D), the album is absolutely brilliant. I'll need to give it longer to sink in, but it could well end up being my favourite OSI album.
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I could never get into the s/t record, and I never heard Free.
I downloaded Blood and I was blown away :tup Radiologue is an amazing work.
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I tried to get into the first album as well, but could not. Too dry, or unfocused, or something. The bonus track ("The Thing That Never Was" or something like that) was easily the most interesting track, and it wasn't on the album.
So like Antigoon, I never bothered with Free because the first album didn't click. But I'll check out Blood, especially since it's supposedly better.
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Excellent album but I do have to listen to it more to fully digest it. So far my fav 2 songs are Radiologue and Stockholm
Edit: oh and gavins drumming is excellent like always
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Well, I think that if you like Blood you should like Free as well. Free is still a bit more electronic but it is a lot more similar in style to Blood than it is to the debut album.
Orbert, The Thing That Never Was is actually the album before it got chopped up by Kevin and Matheos. This was Jim's original idea of the band when he thought to get Gildenlow for the vocals.
ariich, this is an occasion for celebration! If we ever meet - I'll buy you a beer :P
no harm no foul
it's not fine at all
it's not fair leading us there
it's not fun at all
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It's my second favorite right behind the first album. It would be the best if they switched out We Come Undone and the second half of Stockholm, it starts off great but loses it towards the end for me. I haven't gotten my cd's in the mail yet but I'm excited to hear the bonus disc.
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Stockholm is now my least favorite on here. Great, great album. Their best IMO. Terminal is always so relaxing.
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Stockholm is the best song by far, mainly because KM isn't singing on it.
Pretty good album spoilt once again by KM drone.
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MP, is that you? :d If you don't like KM's singing that much why bother with an OSI album at all.
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Awesome album, I really like Be the Hero, Terminal and The Escape Artist. I dont think Stockholm is so good but its listenable at least.
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Be the hero from coast to coast :metal
Awesome album. Will write more later.
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Hm, I really like KM's singing.
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I'm loving it so far, though most of my listening has been at work where i really haven't been able to focus on it.
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I liked the self-titled album a whole lot more than Free. Is Blood likely to appeal to me?
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Yes but not too much. Probably more than Free, though. The Escape Artist, Be The Hero, Microburst Alert, No Celebrations - all are more or less in the vein of the debut with more prominent guitars.
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ariich, this is an occasion for celebration! If we ever meet - I'll buy you a beer :P
:lol Awesome :quitwhining
I also agree with your comments on Free. I think all three of the albums have very different to feels to them, but the debut, while I love it, had more of a straight-forward prog edge, whereas Free and Blood have both displayed a slightly more experimental side of the band.
All three albums are excellent though IMO.
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A very short interview, lacking some really interesting questions but still - better than nothing.
https://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showinterview.php?id=2648
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He's not wearing pants. Now we know!
But that's a shame about the touring. I'd love to see O.S.I live someday.
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I'm loving it so far, though most of my listening has been at work where i really haven't been able to focus on it.
Wait a tick, you live in the US, don't you? How'd you get it?
ariich, this is an occasion for celebration! If we ever meet - I'll buy you a beer :P
:lol Awesome :quitwhining
I also agree with your comments on Free. I think all three of the albums have very different to feels to them, but the debut, while I love it, had more of a straight-forward prog edge, whereas Free and Blood have both displayed a slightly more experimental side of the band.
All three albums are excellent though IMO.
Actually I always thought of the ST as being more metal-oriented, and Free as more electronic. It's all up to interpretation though. :)
But in that sense, I'm guessing Blood is closer to Free musically?
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Nice interview, not new much though. Too bad they cant tour, but with their reputation I wonder why no music company help them with the financial cost.
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It takes a lot more than reputation; the reason Roadrunner took Dream Theater on "reputation alone" was because they had the sales to back it up.
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I'm loving it so far, though most of my listening has been at work where i really haven't been able to focus on it.
Wait a tick, you live in the US, don't you? How'd you get it?
Available (quite legally) as a download from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Blood/dp/B0026BHSEM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1241181187&sr=8-2
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Mine will ship tomorrow, so I can finally listen as early as Wednesday. :D
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I'm gonna buy it on iTunes, so I can hear it as early as Tuesday. :p
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Okay, listened to it a few more times, four altogether. Some catchy stuff, but overall I can't get into it. Kevin's style of singing (at least I'm assuming it's him) is just way too monotone and uninteresting. Chroma Key was the same for me. It sounds like he's singing through a three-dollar piece of shit microphone, with no emotion at all. I realize that that's the sound he's going for, since it completely permeates all his work, but it completely fails to click with me.
All files deleted.
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Be the hero from coast to coast :metal
This, absolutely killer chorus!, it stays in your mind :metal
Be The Hero from coast to coast
Yeah!
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That's the one line that is stuck in my head. Definitely catchy as hell.
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At first that song was my least favourite on the album but it has grown on me immensely. It's just awesome.
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I got an e-mail yesterday night saying my order had shipped. Hopefully that means I get it tomorrow or Wednesday.
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I really hope iTunes will have it midnight unlike the total letdown last night involving the new Linkin Park single. If all goes well, I should have the new album in my possession in less than 5 hours.
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Why don't you just go download it off Amazon now? Or is it not up for sale anymore?
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Is the Amazon download compatible with iTunes? I mean essentially I need it to be able to go on my iPod.
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Just finished listening to Terminal, now on False Start. I'd have to say except for like the first minute of Terminal, this album is really well-paced so far.
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https://www.bravewords.com/news/113604
https://www.madeloud.com/article/7450
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Finished listening to the album last night. I love it. Microburst Alert and Blood are probably some of the best tracks on there.
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Got one spin in so far, and my initial reaction is that even if it grows on me, it won't be as good as the first two albums. I obviously need to listen to it a lot more, but I don't think I'll be blown away at any point.
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Got one spin in so far, and my initial reaction is that even if it grows on me, it won't be as good as the first two albums. I obviously need to listen to it a lot more, but I don't think I'll be blown away at any point.
You already got yours!?
DAMMIT NICK!
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Yeah, made the last two hours of my work very difficult. We had to bring a body over from the main home to my home/appartment and I checked the mail and there it was. So then I went back to work for two hours knowing it was here but not able to listen to it. :lol
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You don't think it'll be as good as the first two? I mean I'm finding that I enjoy it more than OSI and Free, but I do feel the lack of a slower conclusion. That's what made OSI and Free great, was that they had two slower tracks to finish the whole deal off.
As I've said, tracks like Microburst Alert, Blood, Be the Hero, and Radiolounge are brilliant. But I'm gonna miss the Hello, Helicopter! tracks with a heavier emphasis on acoustic guitar. These tracks have all been a lot more electronic than previous efforts.
I'd give this album a 9/10 personally. In comparison, my rating for OSI has always fallen around 9.5/10, and I always felt like Free was the weakest album at about 8 or 8.5/10. Really there were only four tracks at most on Free that I actually enjoyed.
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Another interview:
https://www.ytsejam.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8003
Probable new Fates record. Most likely no remix of Blood.
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Another interview:
https://www.ytsejam.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8003
Probable new Fates record. Most likely no remix of Blood.
Sweet. I could really go for a new Fates album. :biggrin:
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Those three interviews were very interesting, good questions and cool answers.
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Hey, everyone. Just posted an interview with drummer Gavin Harrison about his work on OSI's Blood at The Mooreatorium: www.themooreatorium.com
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Hey, Mebert, nice to see you here (liquid :p)
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You know, I never knew there existed a forum for KM. Awesome :D
Anyway, this album just isn't getting old for me! Thanks for the interviews, Abydos. Great find indeed. Kevin seems like a profound and interesting character.
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Hey, everyone. Just posted an interview with drummer Gavin Harrison about his work on OSI's Blood at The Mooreatorium: www.themooreatorium.com
:lol That is such an appropriate name for his fansite/forum! :hat
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I'm finding just the same as porksoda, happily: I'm on my fifth complete listening of Blood and it's just as fresh the fifth time as the first. If anything, familiarity has helped me to love the songs even more. Gavin's done a terrific job btw; I can't remember which song it was in (might've been False Start), but he does this great time-signature split where he's playing on one signature and the keyboard is on another one, and then they come together briefly and then break off again. Probably one of the greatest moments on an OSI record.
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https://www.myspace.com/rockfile
2 interviews with Jim and KM.
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Album shipped today, I should get it tomorrow or friday. Nice, my first OSI album.
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To me it feels like a departure from their traditional OSI sound in favor of something a little more "cyberpunk," but it's a great place to start. :tup
The title track is incredible, gives me chills.
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For some reason, I simply can not get into this album or OSI.
:sadpanda:
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Well I mean, what do you usually look for in your music? It could just be that this is not the right kind of music for you.
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Well I mean, what do you usually look for in your music? It could just be that this is not the right kind of music for you.
I dunno. OSI's like, a little bit of experimental a little bit of heavy, but not enough of eitt doesn't help that Moore's vocals really bother me. :yeahright
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KM's vocals are an acquired taste. :lol
It's true, OSI is not for everyone. I love electronic music so that's what gets me about OSI. I personally love it because of the cyberpunk feel I get from Blood, and the original ST has some great tracks as well such as 'When You're Ready' and 'Hello, Helicopter!'. But that's just me.
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I have Free and think it's ok but not awesome. Should I get Blood? Is it better?
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Much better. Personally I feel like Free is their weakest effort.
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Much better. Personally I feel like Free is their weakest effort.
Heh, I think Free is their best, and the new one is definitely their weakest.
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My rankings for Kevin Moore in general:
1. You Go Now
2. Blood
3. OSI
4. Dead Air for Radios
5. Free
I have yet to purchase Graveyard Mountain Home, we'll see how that changes things some day.
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Hm. I liked Blood better than the rest, but that's not saying much. My least favorite OSI is definitely the stuff with Portnoy. He sounded like he was asleep at the wheel on that one.
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There's a story behind that. :D
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1. OSI
2. Graveyard Mountain Home
3. Blood
4. Free
Haven't given You Go Now and Dead Air enough spins.
As well as Okul and any other releases he did.
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You have his solo material!? :omg:
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There's a story behind that. :D
What's that? MP secretly wanted to sabatoge the record to shut up the MP fans once and for all? :lol
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Actually MP had complained that it was the other way around, that it was KevMo who sabotaged all his drum parts.
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Only after his approval.
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The thing I have issue with in this MP-KM feud, at least as it relates to OSI, is how upset he got that he had little creative input. Of course signing up for this project, surely he realized that he was a guest drummer? OSI wasn't his project, it was Jim Matheos and Kevin Moore's, and at that more KM's than Jim's. You'd think that as a hired gun he'd realize that that was all he was; just a guy filling in drums.
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Jim invited Mike first, then Kevin, but he more often went with Kevin's ideas on the first album because he didn't want to do another prog album - he could have done prog in Fates. So he choose the fresher, new and more interesting approach that Kevin brought. The second time Mike was just the drummer, nothing more. It's in the interviews.
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Yeah, made the last two hours of my work very difficult. We had to bring a body over from the main home to my home/appartment and I checked the mail and there it was. So then I went back to work for two hours knowing it was here but not able to listen to it. :lol
You took a dead body to your house?
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Yes.
My house is a funeral home.
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You'd think that as a hired gun he'd realize that that was all he was; just a guy filling in drums.
And helping the band sell a shit load more records.
Not trying to bait or pick a fight here, but very few people cared about post-DT KevMo projects until Portnoy jumped on the OSI record.
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Also, it has always pissed me off to no end that MP jumped on Free last minute purely as a favor, and yet Kevin Moore would not even repay MP by being interviewed by Rich Wilson, let alone play a song or two with DT.
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As a favour? It's not like they couldn't get any other drummer, you know. I'm pretty sure he got his fair share for his participation. And to my knowledge KM didn't ask him to do any DT material, so... both things are completely unrelated.
Another reason why he played is because they were friends with Jim, not because of Kevin. Maybe he should ask Matheos to play SDV with them instead.
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Yes.
My house is a funeral home.
Ahh I see. I read in the paper today about some funeral home worker who cut off a dead guy's feet so he could fit him in a casket.
Guess he was just 'cutting' costs
:neverusethis:
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No, they are not unrelated, this goes above the normal expected payment and people being decent people. Mike Portnoy originally said he had no interest in the 2nd OSI album, and yet he posts on his forum one day that as a favor he recorded drums for it over the weekend. On the other hand you have a guy writing an official biography for a band, of which Kevin Moore was an original member, composer, 8 year contributor, and appeared on 3 albums, and he wouldn't even be interviewed for it. Outside of Portnoy's favor that is just plain wrong, but all things considered, Portnoy tried to help Kevin despite the fact that he left the band hanging with a world tour on the way. Portnoy's name alone brought OSI a ton more exposure than it otherwise would have gotten. And after that, Kevin Moore can't do an interview? Give me a break.
I love OSI, and I have never been overly critical of Kevin Moore for not wanting to play live with Dream Theater, but refusing to do an interview for the official biography is just plain wrong.
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If anything, the so called favour was to Jim. He could have refused, I am not aware of any agreement between them for KM doing interviews/shows with them to "return" the favour. They have nothing in common and Portnoy was a very willing part of the first OSI. The fact that he plays drums in the second is meaningless - his name already added to the popularity of the project.
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If anything, the so called favour was to Jim. He could have refused, I am not aware of any agreement between them for KM doing interviews/shows with them to "return" the favour. They have nothing in common and Portnoy was a very willing part of the first OSI. The fact that he plays drums in the second is meaningless - his name already added to the popularity of the project.
Once again, I'm not talking about any sort of agreement, I'm talking about simple decency.
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He played drums. He got payed. KM has made himself clear, both things are completely unrelated, I don't know what wrong or indecent thing you see in all this.
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OKAY PEOPLE......let's not have this debate. We have this in every DT-side thread, and it always ends up at the same impasse.
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If I helped form a band, stayed with that band for 8 years and 3 albums, then left the band prior to a world tour, saw the band gain popularity for a long time, enough to eventually have an official biography written about them, I certainly would consider it a classless move not to take a few hours to do an interview for the book.
In addition, if a member of said band had even helped me out down the line, then that just adds to things.
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OKAY PEOPLE......let's not have this debate. We have this in every DT-side thread, and it always ends up at the same impasse.
You're right Super Dude, we've had this debate before and this thread isn't really the place for it, I'll consider this a stern warning and stop posting on the subject here.
:police:
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Thank you kindly. :biggrin:
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listening to it, pretty damn cool so far.
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Blood At The Crossroads: An Interview with Jim Matheos of O.S.I. (https://www.nonelouder.com/profiles/blogs/blood-at-the-crossroads-an)
OSI Interview
A Conversation With Vocalist/Keyboardist Kevin Moore (https://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/a/osiinterview.htm)
Enough of the KM not wanting to recognize his past or whatever Mike put on the bio shit.
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I heard there was an interview here where KM actually spoke rather generously of MP?
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This time I'm determined to track down KevMo in Istanbul and see him live or something. I always say it and always forget when I go home.
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PM me when you do. I'd like to come and see that too. But he's in Florida now.
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I heard there was an interview here where KM actually spoke rather generously of MP?
BW&BK: Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater) is no longer involved in OSI. What happened there?
KM: “I don’t think anything happened, it was just that we were continuing to try to get new voices involved with the album. Jim was in control of personnel on this album, and he’s a big fan of PORCUPINE TREE. He contacted Gavin (Harrison) and we were happy he was willing to get involved on drums. We worked with him long-distance over the internet, sending files back and forth. We did a lot of back and forth, making changes and bouncing ideas off of each other. It went well.”
BW&BK: Mike Portnoy seems to be more of a traditional prog guy, especially with all his side-projects… they’re very much based in traditional progressive music. Did he find it challenging to work with the more electronic aspects of OSI that you brought to the table?
KM: “I guess you’d have to talk to him about that, but that was another clash of styles that makes for interesting music. I think it worked out, and his contributions to the music were great. That conflict between progressive songwriting and the electronic style was there, but I think it worked out.”
https://www.bravewords.com/news/113604
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Okay, I'm coming around on this album. After the first two listens, I was so disappointed that I deleted the files (yes, I downloaded them - sue me). But after all this talk about "what genre is it?" and "electronica" I gave it another shot. To me honest, I still don't hear "electronica" any more than I did before. It's different, but it's still rock and roll. The wide diversity of styles makes it rather proggy to me, but some were saying it's definitely not prog (but that's probably coming from people with pretty narrow definitions of prog).
Anyway, it's a lot catchier than I gave it credit for, the production is excellent, and I guess I'm getting used to Kevin's vocals. They still bug me a little, and sound pretty lifeless, but they're interesting, and if you regard them as something like another instrument, another sound amidst the confusion, it works better. For me, anyway.
So two listens, then a week or two away from it, and two more listens. It's growing on me. I probably had my expectations all screwed up the first time. Mistake.
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The first time I listened to the s/t and Free, I had no idea what hit me. So, after listening to Blood the first time, when I barely remembered anything I just heard, I was not surprised. Another listen or two has proved helpful -- It might be my favorite album of the year now.
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PM me when you do. I'd like to come and see that too. But he's in Florida now.
My friend is a music promoter in Istanbul so he gets all the down and dirty on big events, he'll find us vip tix and all that, I just have to track the sucker down.
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I like this album a lot! Gavin is such a better drummer for this band!
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PM me when you do. I'd like to come and see that too. But he's in Florida now.
My friend is a music promoter in Istanbul so he gets all the down and dirty on big events, he'll find us vip tix and all that, I just have to track the sucker down.
Sweet. Hopefully this will happen sometime :d But I'd need to know as much in advance as possible. Gotta have some time to get the money.
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LOVING Blood. Great record.
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I am digging it, too... my favorite of the OSI discs... so a big :tup for it.
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I am digging it, too... my favorite of the OSI discs... so a big :tup for it.
This.
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God "The Escape Artist" is incredible.
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I know, right? Honestly, I actually think Radiolounge is the only weak track, and even that one is good if you're in the mood for it.
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Dude... That's the second best song on the album. It's incredible as well.
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I know, right? Honestly, I actually think Radiolounge is the only weak track, and even that one is good if you're in the mood for it.
This, only Stockholm. Radiologue is amazing.
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It's called Radiologue? :|
Fucking iTunes! :facepalm:
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Woow, my first listen on No Celebrations.
And I love to hear Tim Bowness in a more metal song. Great stuff.
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It's called Radiologue? :|
Fucking iTunes! :facepalm:
Haha, yeah. I remember Media Player did something like that to Watershed. It named Hessian Peel 'Hussian Peel' I think.
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Terminal is a fucking great song...I can see why they included the endless version
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I should've ordered the version with the bonus disc. :(
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lol n00b
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KM interview that was posted on 5/8
https://www.nonelouder.com/profiles/blogs/on-the-page-an-interview-with
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"I have no plans right now for a new Chroma Key album."
:(
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I hope he does some kind of solo project next, Chroma Key or whatever. Kevin Moore music always strikes a huge chord with me.
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I'm hoping KevMo hooks up with Jim Matheos again to do the next Fates Warning album.
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I'm hoping KevMo hooks up with Jim Matheos again to do the next Fates Warning album.
Well, that sounds good to me!
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Yeah, new Fates would be nice about now.
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Yeah, new Fates would be nice about now.
Much better than a new OSI! :P
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Yeah, new Fates would be nice about now.
Much better than a new OSI! :P
:police: 2 minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct, 5 for roughing
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Yeah, honestly, I much prefer KM's OSI work over anything he's done with FW. Admittedly, I don't really like FW that much but hey. :laugh:
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Man this album is so great. Came out of nowhere into OSI and this is what I got. Every song is great, and I love the bonus songs. Easily my favorite this year, can't wait for Nick's album of the year thing.
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Super bump.
Just got around to listening to this, and I'm blown away. It's REALLY good; I like it at least as much as both of the previous two albums, possibly more.
-J
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I definitely liked it more. I feel like each album makes itself "relevant" to that year's "sound," like how most bands try to keep up with the times, but OSI actually pulls it off.
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I didn't particularly care for their first album, but this one is fucking amazing.
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I didn't particularly care for their first album, but this one is fucking amazing.
This.
Love the fast paced song (The Escape Artist, False Start) more than the others, but iverall fantastic disk.
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About 3 weeks ago, I saw the re:free EP at the record store in the clearance section. Is this EP worth it?
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As an introduction to the band? Hell no.
If you already like the band? Depends how cheap it is.
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I have the debut and Blood, Blood being the best and everything I've heard from them is outright interesting :biggrin:
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You won't even get the point of the EP unless you pick up Free, as the EP is just three remixes from that album. And personally I like the album versions a lot more.
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You won't even get the point of the EP unless you pick up Free, as the EP is just three remixes from that album. And personally I like the album versions a lot more.
Although I wikied it beforehand, I agree with the original album being a better choice. Thanks guys.
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just listened to Terminal (Endless) and it is amazing.
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I scrolled through four pages and found maybe two mentions of Radiologue. What an incredible track, and I don't even know what does it for me.
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I scrolled through four pages and found maybe two mentions of Radiologue. What a fucking incredible track.
Indeed. I absolutely love it. I have yet to find anything similar. It's just so dark, ambient but catchy with good progression
Also, It reminds me of Perfect Dark on the N64 and that's an instant win :hat
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Ah the classics.
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Yeah, honestly, I much prefer KM's OSI work over anything he's done with FW. Admittedly, I don't really like FW that much but hey. :laugh:
I saw FW live with DT back in 03 and they were ok. I just checked them out last year and was disappointed big time.
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I scrolled through four pages and found maybe two mentions of Radiologue. What an incredible track, and I don't even know what does it for me.
Easily the best song on the album, as I previously mentioned :metal
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just listened to Terminal (Endless) and it is amazing.
Yes, it is. In fact, that song could be Exhibit A of why I love Kevin Moore's understated and textural playing so much. :hat
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just listened to Terminal (Endless) and it is amazing.
Yes, it is. In fact, that song could be Exhibit A of why I love Kevin Moore's understated and textural playing so much. :hat
Yea, he's one of my favorite musician as far as ambient/dark/electronica stuff goes.
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Starting an OSI survivor soon!
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Survivor is up now.
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Other than the new album (FW) you may release, what else should the fans expect in the near future regarding FW or you specifically?
- As I already mentioned, there will probably be a new FW album this or sometime next year. Same with OSI - expect the new album most likely early next year.
Do you plan on having any live OSI shows?
- No, I don't. I think that it will remain a studio band.
What's the situation with the drummer position in OSI? Do you plan on keeping Gavin Harrison from Porcupine Tree or Mike Portnoy will return in the band?
- We just started talking about the new album. I'm almost sure that the drummer will once again be Gavin because we're very happy with our work together on Blood. We still haven't made any of this official but I really believe that it will be him.
From an interview with JM I just read. It's in Bulgarian, that's the most interesting part about OSI. There may be a live FW CD or even DVD from some of their shows in the US. If you're interested in the other questions which are a bit more general/generic I will translate it for you.
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Same with OSI - expect the new album most likely early next year.
Before I overreact, I just want to make sure I read the context clues in that snippet correctly. Jim's saying we should expect a fourth OSI album in early 2011?
Fuck it, I'll just overreact anyway.
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Same with OSI - expect the new album most likely early next year.
Before I overreact, I just want to make sure I read the context clues in that snippet correctly. Jim's saying we should expect a fourth OSI album in early 2011?
Fuck it, I'll just overreact anyway.
:caffeine:
Excellent. Also, still with Gavin :hat
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Yup, that's what he's saying. We should expect OSI 4 sometime early next year. The next FW album will be in 2011 too and the line up will be JM, Ray, Frank Aresti, Joey Vera and Bobby Jarzombek.
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first listen to radiologue...not bad
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Not bad?! :tdwn
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Fook me, that was fast. Truth be told, I thought Blood got bland really fast. Then again I don't have Terminal (Endless) or any of the other bonuses.
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Fook me, that was fast. Truth be told, I thought Blood got bland really fast. Then again I don't have Terminal (Endless) or any of the other bonuses.
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It's the only OSI album I own, and it's been my default go-to album to listen to when I don't know what to listen to since I first got it. Radiologue + Microburst Alert = :hefdaddy
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The S-T and Free are a lot better. And S-T is the overall best.
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Other than the new album (FW) you may release, what else should the fans expect in the near future regarding FW or you specifically?
- As I already mentioned, there will probably be a new FW album this or sometime next year. Same with OSI - expect the new album most likely early next year.
Do you plan on having any live OSI shows?
- No, I don't. I think that it will remain a studio band.
What's the situation with the drummer position in OSI? Do you plan on keeping Gavin Harrison from Porcupine Tree or Mike Portnoy will return in the band?
- We just started talking about the new album. I'm almost sure that the drummer will once again be Gavin because we're very happy with our work together on Blood. We still haven't made any of this official but I really believe that it will be him.
From an interview with JM I just read. It's in Bulgarian, that's the most interesting part about OSI. There may be a live FW CD or even DVD from some of their shows in the US. If you're interested in the other questions which are a bit more general/generic I will translate it for you.
Wow, huge news. Can you post a link to this interview please? I wanna look into it a little more.
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Here, I asked them to give me the audio but they refused. The site is specifically for the bulgarian fans, bla bla. Kinda stupid, imo, but whatever makes 'em happy. https://katehizis.com/publications/interview.php?i=fates_warning2010
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Thanks for the link :)
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The S-T and Free are a lot better. And S-T is the overall best.
Disagree. Blood is dynamite. I love the self-titled and Blood. Free is ok, but not enough balls on it, particularly if you enjoy the heavier aspects of OSI.
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I agree that Blood is really really good. To me, I feel like it is missing one song to push it over the top. Just my opinion. Maybe an acoustic-type song (ala "Hello Helicopter" or "Our Town") toward the end to let the album breathe electronically. Another alternative would have been to move "No Celebrations" from the bonus disc to the regular disc and have Moore write and record his own vocals instead of Tim Bowness. In my opinion, that song musically kicks ass and is kind of wasted on the bonus disc.
But even so, great album. Like I said, I'm nitpicking.
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I was definitely puzzled as to why No Celebrations was a bonus track when it was really good, and had a guest vocalist on it :s
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Hey guys, I know this is the Blood thread but I can't find an appreciation thread.
I was wondering if anyone can elaborate on "Mike Portnoy had been vocal about his disapproval of how the project turned out"
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Hey guys, I know this is the Blood thread but I can't find an appreciation thread.
I was wondering if anyone can elaborate on "Mike Portnoy had been vocal about his disapproval of how the project turned out"
MP was apparently hoping for more of a Liquid Tension Experiment-type supergroup where it a chance for the musicians to show their chops a have a playful atmosphere, IMO. He also strongly wanted Daniel Gildenlow in the project. But when Jim Matheos sent out the OSI demos to Kevin Moore and Gildenlow in 2002, they both re-worked the demos and created vocals that were completely different. Matheos felt like he had to pick Moore or Gildenlow, and he picked Moore for the group because he liked his ideas better. So MP was disappointed from the start. Then in the studio, Kevin tried to reign in MP's playing in certain parts for the betterment of the songs and MP found the whole process very stressful and unenjoyable. That's my take on it from various OSI interviews and the Lifting Shadows book.
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JM also wanted something a bit more different than what he had done with Fates and Gildenlow's contributions made the sound more akin to FW and prog, something JM wanted to avoid.
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Fair enough.
Also, I'm reserving a spot to do a top 15 of OSI later in the week, so no-one else jump in and do one. Unless someone has already done one and I completely missed it.
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First listen of Free. So far it beats OSI but not Blood. I love these guys.
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We may as well change this thread to the official OSI thread. And Faemir, keep listening to it. It's only their best. :)
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Yeah. I found the old thread but it was very short and old and dead.
Go is so stunning, I can't wait to listen to the console remix :D
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The console remix isn't that great compared to the KM remixes, though. Home Was Good is simply amazing.
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Aw :(
Are you going to edit the thread title then?
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If that is your wish - done.
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Does the "(SPOILERS)" tag have to stay?
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For the next album. :neverusethis:
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For the next album. :neverusethis:
OIC
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edit: Late to the party. Delete?
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If you want.
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OSI news: Gavin Harrison tracks drums (https://chromakey.squarespace.com/news/2011/3/19/osi-news-gavin-harrison-tracks-drums.html)
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OSI news: Gavin Harrison tracks drums (https://chromakey.squarespace.com/news/2011/3/19/osi-news-gavin-harrison-tracks-drums.html)
I am so excited for this new album, Gavin really meshes well with the band.
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I am so excited for this new album, Gavin really meshes well with the band.
This. Blood was a fantastic album...I hope they keep that same downtempo/electronic edge to it.
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So any more news on when we can expect the next album?
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It was supposed to be out "early 2011" but since Jim started working with Arch on his album I think things will be slower - probably late 2011. I would guess ~September.
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By the way, Kevin just posted a song clip on his new Twitter account yesterday. It could be an OSI clip, but he doesn't say. It's also been revealed that he recently collaborated on three songs with an experimental rock group called In Progress, who was one of the acts on the Portnoy tribute CD called "Honor Thy Drummer." The In Progress guys were KM fans that contributed to his Shine album and emailed him about collaborating on some songs and he agreed. I'm a little busy right now to post all the links, but if you're interested in the KM song clip and In Progress audio, visit The Mooreatorium: www.themooreatorium.com. All the links are posted there under "News."
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Just checked out the little song clip. It doesn't sound like something I'd hear on an OSI album but you can never be sure with Kevin. It did sound like a cool clip though.
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I think Free might be my favorite OSI album, but somehow that sentiment keeps changing up on me. Either way, I don't think you could really underestimate Mike Portnoy's contributions on those 1st two albums.
Such an unusual dynamic in this band... Jim Matheos is/was the primary lyricist in Fates Warning, but meanwhile he has yet to write a lick of lyrics for an OSI album. I'm wondering (hoping) to see if this changes for the next album.
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I think Free might be my favorite OSI album, but somehow that sentiment keeps changing up on me. Either way, I don't think you could really underestimate Mike Portnoy's contributions on those 1st two albums.
Such an unusual dynamic in this band... Jim Matheos is/was the primary lyricist in Fates Warning, but meanwhile he has yet to write a lick of lyrics for an OSI album. I'm wondering (hoping) to see if this changes for the next album.
Interesting point about the lyrics. I love Jim's lyrics in FW. But I feel like if he started to write lyrics for OSI, it would totally change the "feel" of OSI songs that people have grown to like. Kevin's lyrics are so unusual and nursery rhyme-like at times (see "When You're Ready," "All Gone Now," "Be the Hero," etc.), and they've become an indentifiable characteristic of an OSI song. To have a different lyricist would be a really big change. Maybe Jim could write lyrics for a song or two, but I feel like the majority of the lyrics still has to be KM or it wouldn't feel like OSI.
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I want more instrumental songs like Microburst Alert. That song is amazing.
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I want more instrumental songs like Microburst Alert. That song is amazing.
I'm with you bro, I love that song.
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Definitely.
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I'd say pretty confidently that it's my favorite OSI song.
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I think Our Town, Bigger Wave, Blood, and Terminal are my favorites
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Blood, for sure.
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I think Free might be my favorite OSI album, but somehow that sentiment keeps changing up on me. Either way, I don't think you could really underestimate Mike Portnoy's contributions on those 1st two albums.
Such an unusual dynamic in this band... Jim Matheos is/was the primary lyricist in Fates Warning, but meanwhile he has yet to write a lick of lyrics for an OSI album. I'm wondering (hoping) to see if this changes for the next album.
Interesting point about the lyrics. I love Jim's lyrics in FW. But I feel like if he started to write lyrics for OSI, it would totally change the "feel" of OSI songs that people have grown to like. Kevin's lyrics are so unusual and nursery rhyme-like at times (see "When You're Ready," "All Gone Now," "Be the Hero," etc.), and they've become an indentifiable characteristic of an OSI song. To have a different lyricist would be a really big change. Maybe Jim could write lyrics for a song or two, but I feel like the majority of the lyrics still has to be KM or it wouldn't feel like OSI.
Yeah, even though it started out as Matheos' pet project, it seems like KevMo has pretty much molded OSI into his own vehicle/vision. Surely one of the reasons MP decided to pack it in.
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I think Free might be my favorite OSI album, but somehow that sentiment keeps changing up on me. Either way, I don't think you could really underestimate Mike Portnoy's contributions on those 1st two albums.
Such an unusual dynamic in this band... Jim Matheos is/was the primary lyricist in Fates Warning, but meanwhile he has yet to write a lick of lyrics for an OSI album. I'm wondering (hoping) to see if this changes for the next album.
Interesting point about the lyrics. I love Jim's lyrics in FW. But I feel like if he started to write lyrics for OSI, it would totally change the "feel" of OSI songs that people have grown to like. Kevin's lyrics are so unusual and nursery rhyme-like at times (see "When You're Ready," "All Gone Now," "Be the Hero," etc.), and they've become an indentifiable characteristic of an OSI song. To have a different lyricist would be a really big change. Maybe Jim could write lyrics for a song or two, but I feel like the majority of the lyrics still has to be KM or it wouldn't feel like OSI.
Yeah, even though it started out as Matheos' pet project, it seems like KevMo has pretty much molded OSI into his own vehicle/vision. Surely one of the reasons MP decided to pack it in.
Would've been interesting to what OSI would've become if Gildenlow or John Arch was the vocalist, as was intended early on my Matheos.
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Terminal(endless), and GO are my favorites.
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It's all about the Radiologue.
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I have to agree with Merbert on the topic of lyrical contributions. I would be interested to hear some input from Jim but I think they're formula now is working great while still maintaining it's originality.
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My respective favorites from each album are "Terminal," "When You're Ready" and probably "Home Was Good."
Free could possibly be my favorite OSI CD if tracks 6-9 were stronger.
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I have to agree with Merbert on the topic of lyrical contributions. I would be interested to hear some input from Jim but I think they're formula now is working great while still maintaining it's originality.
Yeah, didn't Akerfeldt write his own lyrics for "Stockholm"? There was nothing wrong with the lyrics, but they really didn't fit the feel of the disc at all. I like Opeth and I think Akerfeldt is a fantastic singer and lyricist, but his involvement on Blood was a bad decision IMO.
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I think Stockholm turned out pretty good.
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New album? Shit, I can't wait.
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I have to agree with Merbert on the topic of lyrical contributions. I would be interested to hear some input from Jim but I think they're formula now is working great while still maintaining it's originality.
Yeah, didn't Akerfeldt write his own lyrics for "Stockholm"? There was nothing wrong with the lyrics, but they really didn't fit the feel of the disc at all. I like Opeth and I think Akerfeldt is a fantastic singer and lyricist, but his involvement on Blood was a bad decision IMO.
I thought it fit until the 2:30 mark, the song then took a weird turn that didn't really fit the album IMO.
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OSI is such an experimental band that I don't care if something doesn't "fit" so long as it's good. Unfortunately, not only have their guest spots not fit; they have kind of blown.
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Stockholm is amazing and anyone who disagrees is an anus licker. No offense.
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Stockholm is amazing and anyone who disagrees is an anus licker. No offense.
Fail.
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Stockholm is amazing, you guys are clearly listening to Friday instead.
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Once is my favorite song, maybe Hello Helicopter
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Stockholm is amazing, you guys are clearly listening to Friday instead.
It's pretty easy to confuse the two.
EDIT: Holy shit I want to hear a Mikael Akerfeldt version of Friday now!
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Anus licking is amazing and anyone who disagrees is a Stockholm lover. No offense.
Dude...really?
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Radiologue has a kinda dubsteppy feel, someone mix it
Also Stockholm is alriiight. It's better than Microburst Alert.
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Anus licking is amazing and anyone who disagrees is a Stockholm lover. No offense.
Dude...really?
I may agree more with your fix than my original post tbh.
TOP 10 TIME
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10. Microburst alert
9. Stockholm (AKA the anus licker)
8. Go
7. Head
6. Simple Life
5. Standby (Looks like rain)
4. Radiologue
3. Terminal
2. Blood
1. Memory Daydreams Lapses (HATE INCOMING IN 3.. 2.. 1..)
Honorable mentions: When you're ready, bigger wave, the escape artist
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I really can't make a top 10, I love too many of their songs. For instance, shutDOWN excepted, I love the entire debut album (yes, including Memory Daydreams Lapses, although I'm not sure if it's deserving of the no. 1 spot), and on occasion even that track clicks for me.
Also I don't see how Radiologue sounds dubsteppy at all? I would think Microburst Alert sounds closer to dubstep.
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Also I don't see how Radiologue sounds dubsteppy at all? I would think Microburst Alert sounds closer to dubstep.
Rhythmically I mean. It has the half-time feel going and the drum patterns/fills are reminiscent of that style, although they aren't full of triplets
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Yeah I dunno, I still feel like that better describes Microburst Alert, but then I don't pay that much attention to the time signature.
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Just thought I'd update this thread with info on OSI's upcoming fourth studio album. It's slated to be released on Metal Blade Records in January 2012. No song titles or artwork are available yet, but Kevin Moore and Jim Matheos are wrapping up mixing right now in Iowa. Below are photos from the studio posted the past two weeks by Moore on Twitter. And here is a video just posted by Moore on Facebook this afternoon that includes what sounds like a new OSI song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pcsgmvHKlM
(https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9095/studio1p.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/studio1p.jpg/)
(https://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6758/studio2o.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/studio2o.jpg/)
(https://img215.imageshack.us/img215/991/studio3v.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/studio3v.jpg/)
(https://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5656/studio4i.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/studio4i.jpg/)
(https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9415/studio5b.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/studio5b.jpg/)
(https://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5894/studio6.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/studio6.jpg/)
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(https://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7217/keviniowaphoto4.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/keviniowaphoto4.jpg/)
(https://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5451/jimiowa.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/121/jimiowa.jpg/)
(https://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2193/iowa3v.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/iowa3v.jpg/)
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Aaaaaaaaand...commence smileing in pants.
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This is gonna be sooo goood, I can smell it!
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Kevin Moore is so sexy.
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Yay!
lol that meth shirt
almost as good as the one I almost bought on my drive out to CO that had "not everything in Iowa is flat" stamped across the chest (until I realized I didn't have enough chest to justify it)
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Yay!
lol that meth shirt
almost as good as the one I almost bought on my drive out to CO that had "not everything in Iowa is flat" stamped across the chest (until I realized I didn't have enough chest to justify it)
:lol Nice.
I just listened to OSI, Free, and Blood back-to-back. I'm excited.
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Listened to Blood today in anticipation. Kicks the shit out of the other two, IMO.
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All three albums will now be on shuffle on my iPod.
I can't wait for new OSI. :caffeine:
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Listened to Blood today in anticipation. Kicks the shit out of the other two, IMO.
I actually can't decide between the three, honestly. Each of them has sort of a signature sound unique to that album, makes 'em all awesome.
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Listened to Blood today in anticipation. Kicks the shit out of the other two, IMO.
I actually can't decide between the three, honestly. Each of them has sort of a signature sound unique to that album, makes 'em all awesome.
I'm in the same boat here. Whichever OSI album I happen to be listening to at a given time will be my favorite.
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Listened to Blood today in anticipation. Kicks the shit out of the other two, IMO.
I actually can't decide between the three, honestly. Each of them has sort of a signature sound unique to that album, makes 'em all awesome.
I'm in the same boat here. Whichever OSI album I happen to be listening to at a given time will be my favorite.
This is one of the things that makes OSI so great. :tup
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Listened to Blood today in anticipation. Kicks the shit out of the other two, IMO.
I'm with you on that. I like the other two albums too, but Blood is on another level.
The song in that video Mebert posted sounded awesome. Can't wait!
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No song titles or artwork are available yet, but Kevin Moore and Jim Matheos are wrapping up mixing right now in Iowa.
WAIT WHAT
HOW DID I MISS THIS
WHERE
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This should be cool. :)
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No song titles or artwork are available yet, but Kevin Moore and Jim Matheos are wrapping up mixing right now in Iowa.
WAIT WHAT
HOW DID I MISS THIS
WHERE
Like Kevin Moore on FB. He's been posting all kinds of pictures and updates during the whole sessions.
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Hmm, I go back to Ames on Monday. I shall try to find him in Des Moines.
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This seems to have gone under the radar...
From Twitter. (https://twitter.com/#!/RecCollMag)
"Office Of Strategic Influence (Fates Warning's Jim Matheos, ex-DT's Mike Portnoy/Kevin Moore, P Tree's Gavin Harrison) new CD due Jan 2012"
Probably just an idle rumour, but I love the idea of Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater and instantly turning to his butler (played by Michael Caine) and going "RIGHT! Get me Kevin Moore!"
EDIT: Permalink here (https://twitter.com/#!/RecCollMag/status/101246726928728064).
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This seems to have gone under the radar...
From Twitter. (https://twitter.com/#!/RecCollMag)
"Office Of Strategic Influence (Fates Warning's Jim Matheos, ex-DT's Mike Portnoy/Kevin Moore, P Tree's Gavin Harrison) new CD due Jan 2012"
Probably just an idle rumour, but I love the idea of Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater and instantly turning to his butler (played by Michael Caine) and going "RIGHT! Get me Kevin Moore!"
EDIT: Permalink here (https://twitter.com/#!/RecCollMag/status/101246726928728064).
Mike Portnoy AND Gavin Harrison? :huh:
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Hmm, gotta be a typo. Can't have two drummers. Gavin has already been announced as the drummer for OSI4.
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Could be a split thing, but I agree - it's almost certainly nothing. I'm certain Portnoy would've mentioned by now, too. Just an interesting wee thing that's being passed round, hadn't seen it acknowledged yet.
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Since it lists the name of the band before the CD's release date, I can only assume that when it says "Office Of Strategic Influence" it refers to the band itself, and by listing it's members, past and present, would include Mike Portnoy as he drummed on the band's first two albums.
I honestly do not think Mike is on OSI4 - he would've said something by now, considering the number of projects/bands/albums he's done this year, this would've been the one to make the most fuss about had he been on it. He's on OSI4 as much as he's on Storm Corrosion - meaning not at all.
-Marc.
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I also think this is some sort of typo. Gavin has much more interesting drumming for OSI's work.
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Maybe Mike is doing lead vocals :neverusethis:
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Maybe Mike is doing lead vocals :neverusethis:
LOL. Maybe he's a guest vocalist. You know, OSI usually has a guest vocalist for one track.
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S AFTER O, AND I AFTER S
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I quite like Dead Air for Radios, but the last two songs on the album really freak me out. It's probably the combination of the two, Mouse (Now Watch What Happens) makes me really paranoid then Hell Mary (which would be okay otherwise) is fucking sfdskjfba!! tripping balls :( Does anyone else find this? I would listen to the album rather more were it not for this
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Mouse is my favourite song on the album! But yeah, Hell Mary is terrifying, even worse than the last track on Lateralus.
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Eh, I just find Hell Mary to be boring and pointless. I love the rest of the album, but I always skip that track.
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Mouse is my favourite song on the album! But yeah, Hell Mary is terrifying, even worse than the last track on Lateralus.
Hell Mary is legitimately unnerving to me. I don't like to listen to it.
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Oh I wouldn't call it boring. It's really atmospheric, and the image it paints in my mind is terrifying but incredible at the same time.
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I must admit, as much as I'm looking forward to the new OSI album, I'd much rather a new Chroma Key album.
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I find Chroma Key very boring. OSI, on the other hand, is amazing.
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I find Chroma Key very boring. OSI, on the other hand, is amazing.
Different kinds of music. OSI is much more straightforward, whereas CK is more atmospheric.
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I'm not sure which I want more... I like them both a lot. HOpefully we do get more Chroma Key someday.
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I'm not sure which I want more... I like them both a lot. HOpefully we do get more Chroma Key someday.
This, although after four OSI albums another CK is sorely needed.
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I have all the 3 OSI albums now, great stuff! :metal My current ranking is:
1. Free
2. Blood
3. S/T
Hopefully there'll be some details about the upcoming album soon.
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Yeah, when is that fourth album release date? All I've heard so far is January.
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Yeah, when is that fourth album release date? All I've heard so far is January.
The last interview Matheos did, he said February. But I've heard it's going to be March. Metal Blade said a couple weeks ago that video interviews ith Jim and Kevin are coming "very soon." Thet two were in MEtal Blade offices filming them the week before Christmas.
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Graveyard Mountain Home = one of the best albums ever. I know this is an OSI thread but I DON'T EVEN CARE.
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I have all the 3 OSI albums now, great stuff! :metal My current ranking is:
1. Free
2. Blood
3. S/T
Hopefully there'll be some details about the upcoming album soon.
This is my list as well. Can't wait for the new one. :xbones
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My rankings go in album order.
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My rankings go in album order.
I feel like I might be the same, as well, but I don't think I've listened to their second and third albums enough to decide which would be 2nd and 3rd. I think I'll always enjoy the first one most because it's got some of MP's more interesting drumming, as well as some more progressive stuff than the latter two albums (well, in the vein of prog-metal, which is what MP and JM had wanted in the first place). I still wonder what would have been if the project remained a true MP/JM collaboration...I guess "The Thing That Never Was" is the best we've got.
-Marc.
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I mean it was really KM and JM's project, not MP and JM's, so I really don't mind what came out of it. That said, Blood is a great album on the surface but I feel it gets stale really quickly.
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What OSI's got going now is much better than anything they were planning on making in the first place.
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I mean it was really KM and JM's project, not MP and JM's, so I really don't mind what came out of it. That said, Blood is a great album on the surface but I feel it gets stale really quickly.
What OSI's got going now is much better than anything they were planning on making in the first place.
I'm stuck in the middle; I genuinely think that both of these statements are spot on. The first time I heard Blood I was blown away, it is an amazingly refined album with a certain depth that I couldn't grasp for a while; it was a grower, to be certain. For instance, Microburst Alert, one of my favorite tracks off the album, I detested at first simply because it bombarded me with so many awkward sounds at once coupled with the radio transmission playing throughout. But a few listens later and it is so gawdamn funky, I love it. With that said, out of the countless times I've listened to that album, I'm beginning to agree with that 'stale' statement. I wouldn't use that word, but it's lost a good amount of its flair.
On the other hand, even though I consider their second album to be their best soon followed by their S/T, they aren't as...'big'(? for lack of a better word) as Blood. There's something in Blood that was missing on the other two. A sort of ferocity; I could almost feel that somehow they found a way to rekindle their love for music and went into Blood head on and ready to kick ass. It's so powerful. THEN I end up going back to the S/T and find that it's much deeper than Blood, after a while those eccentricities of Blood kind of evened out for me and I was hoping to hear something a little less straightforward and a bit more original and zany. Tracks like Bigger Wave; Our Town; Hello, Helicopter!; ShutDOWN; Dirt From A Holy Place..etc. etc., I hate to use the word but basically more 'progressive' than what Blood has to offer.
I dunno, I'm beginning to ramble with no point. I'm very excited for the new album and I'm sure anything that comes out of it I will love but I'm merely hoping that they don't forget their humble beginnings and attempt to move forward and expand whilst throwing in a bit of that old-school charm into it. Kicking is still ringing in my ears and it's such a simple song. Those simplicities shouldn't be lost when moving forward and attempting to evolve the band.
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I mean it was really KM and JM's project, not MP and JM's, so I really don't mind what came out of it. That said, Blood is a great album on the surface but I feel it gets stale really quickly.
As I understand it, the project was originally meant to be a collaboration between Jim and Mike as Jim couldn't work with Mike and Neal (Morse) on their project (which ended up being Transatlantic). Jim brought in Mike to create a prog-metal supergroup. It was only after Jim and Mike came together that they brought in Kevin Moore, which was after they created "The Thing That Never Was", "a track on the bonus disc, shows the direction Matheos and Portnoy originally planned to take the album in." (from the OSI album Wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Influence_(album) )
It was only after Moore messed with Matheos' tracks that the latter welcomed the changes and decided to bring him in for full-time (rather than adding keyboard parts), so the direction of the album changed from long-form prog metal tracks to something more akin to KM's Chroma Key albums.
I still think the end result is fantastic, and I enjoy the album to this day, occasionally putting it on for a good dose of prog metal with some mellowed-out parts to it, but as they went along, it became more of an output for Moore with Matheos' help than the prog-metal supergroup that Matheos/Portnoy originally envisioned.
Now it seems that Mike has focused his metal-side onto something less progressive and now we might not know what a prog-metal-supergroup with Mike Portnoy might sound like, but OSI's first album is about as close as we'll get, so I'm glad we got that! :metal
-Marc.
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Very interesting! I can totally see that considering I just listened to TTTNW and now I'm listening to a clearly Moore-infused Memory Daydreams Lapses (SHUT-SHUT IT-Shut your mouth, this song is awesome and I luff it! I reject your reality and substitute my own!). I'm really glad that they didn't move forward without Moore though, I really am a massive fan of most of his work and while it may tend to be a little more than 'out there' at times, I think he has such a creative mind and so much to offer, especially when working with other creative minds alike, though inherently different when sitting beside Moore. It's a mesh of different styles that works out so sexily. Can't wait.
P.S. Set The Controls For The Heart is so fucking amazing. I really do love it infinitely more than the original. I remember I put this on when I was first learning how to drive and my dad was in the car riding shotgun...and after a minute he goes 'Wait... when did you get into Pink Flo-*Bass kicks in* WHO COVERED THIS!? NICE!" :lol Really awesome stuff. Oh how I miss my rowdy teen-angst filled years getting stoned and blasting this in my friends van. So. Bogged. Out. Siiiigh. Careers. They suck.
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I'm listening to TTTNW right now, and it's so much more mehtulolz, true to MP form. Tbh, I prefer the KevMo version by far.
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I know I've said it before, but I'd kill for a Kevin Moore/Steven Wilson project. Shutdown is great, but I'd rather the more Chroma Key elements rather than the OSI stuff from KM's part. I mixture of Graveyard Mountain Home and Grace for Drowning would be the epitome of music.
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Regarding OSI's early days, Daniel Gildenlow of Pain of Salvation was originally tapped as the vocalist. Jim Matheos gave demos to both Daniel and Kevin, and to Jim's surprise Kevi nstaretd messing with the tunes and adding his own vocals and it was totally different from what Daniel was doing. So Jim felt he had to choose a musical direction and went with Kevin. Apparently, John Arch was also asked to be singer and so was the guy from Kansas whose name escapes me at the moment.
I think Matheos and Moore are great musical counterparts for each other and have a great chemistry. I'm so psyched for the new album.
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I know I've said it before, but I'd kill for a Kevin Moore/Steven Wilson project. Shutdown is great, but I'd rather the more Chroma Key elements rather than the OSI stuff from KM's part. I mixture of Graveyard Mountain Home and Grace for Drowning would be the epitome of music.
YES! God, that would be bonerz.
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Regarding OSI's early days, Daniel Gildenlow of Pain of Salvation was originally tapped as the vocalist. Jim Matheos gave demos to both Daniel and Kevin, and to Jim's surprise Kevi nstaretd messing with the tunes and adding his own vocals and it was totally different from what Daniel was doing. So Jim felt he had to choose a musical direction and went with Kevin. Apparently, John Arch was also asked to be singer and so was the guy from Kansas whose name escapes me at the moment.
I think Matheos and Moore are great musical counterparts for each other and have a great chemistry. I'm so psyched for the new album.
Would have been interesting to hear what a supergroup of Mike, Jim and Daniel could come up with, along with a very good prog/metal bassist. I'd be more interested in that than AM.
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In case some of you missed it months ago, Kevin posted a two-minute cideo clip of a new OSI song from the studio. I'm listening to it again now. You can hear it clearly if you blast the volume and wear earphones. It's quite beautiful. I think the song title is "Invisible Man," because if you catch the computer monitor at the right moment you can see that phrase atop the screen.
Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pcsgmvHKlM&feature=player_embedded#!
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Oh my GIDDIOD, thank you! That's fucking awesome. I cannot wait. I need it. Need my fix. OooooooooOOOOOHHHH!!!11ichi!1uno1
P.S. Love that synth...or whatever you call it. The bleeps. The boops and bleeps after the first verse. Keyboard shit. Moore-stuff. Argh. Maybe I shouldn't have listened cause now I feel like a five year old on Christmas Eve except I just realized it's not Christmas Eve and now I have to wait.
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That was great. He really has a knack for creating an atmosphere. That said, I really hope there'll be more dynamic stuff too that doesn't rely as much on layering moods.
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I want more stuff like The Escape Artist and False Start. Those songs are brilliant.
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Damn. I just got so much more excited after hearing that.
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In case some of you missed it months ago, Kevin posted a two-minute cideo clip of a new OSI song from the studio. I'm listening to it again now. You can hear it clearly if you blast the volume and wear earphones. It's quite beautiful. I think the song title is "Invisible Man," because if you catch the computer monitor at the right moment you can see that phrase atop the screen.
Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pcsgmvHKlM&feature=player_embedded#!
That sounds perfect. I hope there's less heavy stuff on this album.
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In case some of you missed it months ago, Kevin posted a two-minute cideo clip of a new OSI song from the studio. I'm listening to it again now. You can hear it clearly if you blast the volume and wear earphones. It's quite beautiful. I think the song title is "Invisible Man," because if you catch the computer monitor at the right moment you can see that phrase atop the screen.
Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pcsgmvHKlM&feature=player_embedded#!
That sounds perfect. I hope there's less heavy stuff on this album.
^x23423423498239482394283948 and also infinity
But I'd also like stuff like The Escape Artist and False Start as Metalwhateverthefuck said but in less quantity. I'm already hung over and I haven't even officially woken up yet. Where am I?
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You're with me baby.
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Some of you guys listen to music a totally different way than I do.
When a band I like releases a new album, my approach is, "Awesome. Let's see what I get". One of you guys is hoping for "more dynamic stuff", one of you guys is hoping for "more stuff like The Escape Artist", one of you guys is hoping for "less heavy stuff". Why so much hoping? :lol
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When a band I like releases a new album, my approach is, "Awesome. Let's see what I get". One of you guys is hoping for "more dynamic stuff", one of you guys is hoping for "more stuff like The Escape Artist", one of you guys is hoping for "less heavy stuff". Why so much hoping? :lol
QFT. Fans set themselves up for disappointment when what comes out is not like what they were hoping for. Granted, many are just spitballing thoughts out loud, but it is true that expectations can be a bitch.
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When a band you like is coming out with a new album and there are certain aspects of their sound that you like more than others, surely you have your own preferences for what is emphasized or downplayed?
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When a band you like is coming out with a new album and there are certain aspects of their sound that you like more than others, surely you have your own preferences for what is emphasized or downplayed?
This. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to go into a new album by an established band without expecting/hoping for something.
That said, I don't think I'm fully on the "MORE METHULZ" side. I feel like Blood's strengths lied in how defined each of the sides were. The heavy stuff is much heavier than before, and the electronic, Kevin Moore-y stuff is more...electronic. My favorite song on the album (and indeed, of all OSI songs) is Microburst Alert, for how well it combines the electronic aspect with the metal.
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When a band you like is coming out with a new album and there are certain aspects of their sound that you like more than others, surely you have your own preferences for what is emphasized or downplayed?
I really don't. I just kind of put the CD in and see what happens. :millahhhh
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Blood (the song) <3
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I don't know, I'm kinda with Ultimetalhead on this one; there's no way you could have no preconceptions of what an album will sound like or how you want it to. Everyone expects something even if they don't actively hope for something.
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I don't know, I'm kinda with Ultimetalhead on this one; there's no way you could have no preconceptions of what an album will sound like or how you want it to. Everyone expects something even if they don't actively hope for something.
Yeah, this.
Even if it's all just subconscious, I doubt that there's any way anyone could have no preconceptions about something. Hell, I have some preconceptions about things I haven't even heard, let alone albums from bands that I'm familiar with.
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I don't know, I'm kinda with Ultimetalhead on this one; there's no way you could have no preconceptions of what an album will sound like or how you want it to. Everyone expects something even if they don't actively hope for something.
Yea, sure. I suppose you could say that I expect the next OSI to sound something like what I've heard from them before, but I'm not hoping for it or anything else in particular.
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OSI just launched a Twitter account a few days ago!
https://twitter.com/#%21/osi_band
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Never, ever been excited about anything twitter related
TILL NOW! :metal
Very soon...like...*refresh* Meh. Not that soon... Siiiiigh
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I'll do you one better...
I'll admit that it's pretty much impossible to not go into an album from a band you know without some idea of what to expect. But ultimately, I *prefer* if I get something that I don't expect...something completely out of left field. My favorite albums of all time are the ones that initially gave me a "W...T...F???" reaction.
So while I'm thinking I'll get something along the same progression as Free - Blood....I would actually be happier if they completely shattered my expectations and did something completely sick, messed up and unexpected.
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I happen to share that sentiment with certain bands (Gorillaz mainly; Opeth's Heritage was a nice surprise too) but with OSI, I love the combination of all their works so much that I'd really love just that. But if they did happen to stun us all...well, now that I think about it I kind of want to shit my pants with fear but at the same time with Moore at the helm it also gives me the yummy-butterflies in my stomach. Hmm... ARGH I CAN'T WAIT!
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As much as any of us would like to think otherwise, it is however also human nature to seek experiences that meet our expectations as well as those that don't. That's why avant-garde film for example is so polarizing, yet you can easily pick Academy Award bait out of a crowd; because the latter seeks both to defy and satisfy our expectations.
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Did anyone else get a message after following them on Twitter? I HOPE IT WAS KEVIN MOORE LOL.
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A new song was posted on Soundcloud today by the band In Progress that features Kevin Moore on vocals. That band is releasing an EP later this year that features KM on three songs. They are KM fans that invited him to make a guest appearance around the time Kevin released his Shine album in 2010.
Song link: https://soundcloud.com/inprogressmusic/burn-it-down-ft-kevin-moore
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Boy oh boy do I have a hard on for Moore lately. I should say more than usual. Wonder why? :P
I NEEEED that track.
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Boy oh boy do I have a hard on for Moore lately. I should say more than usual. Wonder why? :P
I NEEEED that track.
You should say Moore than usual.
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Boy oh boy do I have a hard on for Moore lately. I should say more than usual. Wonder why? :P
I NEEEED that track.
You should say Moore than usual.
:lol Shiiet, didn't even notice.
ed: God damn it I love Burn it Down. 15 of those have gotta be me on repeat :lol...or Moore... (kdone)
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Did anyone else get a message after following them on Twitter? I HOPE IT WAS KEVIN MOORE LOL.
Yup. I hope it was too. :lol
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What was it, what was it!?
I have shunned any and all social networking sites. Thus, I am looped out of.
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"Welcome, Thanks for following! Be sure to check out https://t.co/vn7AHsx for all of the latest info!"
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HOLLLLLLLY SHIT I JUST CAAAAAME!!!
Lawlrz thanks.
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A new song was posted on Soundcloud today by the band In Progress that features Kevin Moore on vocals. That band is releasing an EP later this year that features KM on three songs. They are KM fans that invited him to make a guest appearance around the time Kevin released his Shine album in 2010.
Song link: https://soundcloud.com/inprogressmusic/burn-it-down-ft-kevin-moore
Did this link not work for anyone else?
The one on Mooreatorium's front page didn't work either.
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Not working for me...
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I don't think it's the same one but Kevin just posted a link to this song: https://soundcloud.com/inprogressmusic/plan-b-ft-kevin-moore
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Interesting... Yeah, he changed the page. The name before was "Burn It Down". Hmm! It is indeed the same song, however.
That's buggin the heck outta me :lol Very quick change... Don't like the name Plan B nearly as much.
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Maybe they should have gone with their plan A?
:lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :biggrin: :lol :lol :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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A new song was posted on Soundcloud today by the band In Progress that features Kevin Moore on vocals. That band is releasing an EP later this year that features KM on three songs. They are KM fans that invited him to make a guest appearance around the time Kevin released his Shine album in 2010.
Song link: https://soundcloud.com/inprogressmusic/burn-it-down-ft-kevin-moore
Did this link not work for anyone else?
The one on Mooreatorium's front page didn't work either.
Ooops. Sorry, yea looks like they adjusted the song name from "Burn It Down" to "Plan B" and that affected the original link. Here's the new one: https://soundcloud.com/inprogressmusic/plan-b-ft-kevin-moore
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FYI, osiband.com was updated last night with a bird image. Album artwork perhaps? Some research showed that the bird is likely modeled after the Aztec Spirit Bird. The Aztecs would view birds on the level of god, I read. And the circular rings around the bird seem look like the sun and 8 planets -- with Saturn as the one with the ring most likely. Maybe Kevin is tapping a aztec/mayan/planet/2012 type of theme in this album.
(https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6473/osilogo.jpg)
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This album sure will be interesting.
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FYI, osiband.com was updated last night with a bird image. Album artwork perhaps? Some research showed that the bird is likely modeled after the Aztec Spirit Bird. The Aztecs would view birds on the level of god, I read. And the circular rings around the bird seem look like the sun and 8 planets -- with Saturn as the one with the ring most likely. Maybe Kevin is tapping a aztec/mayan/planet/2012 type of theme in this album.
(https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6473/osilogo.jpg)
I like!
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I'm no 2012 buff, but aren't the planets supposed to line up this year on Dec. 21 for the first time in thousands of years? That fits well with this artwork.
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Yeah, it'd be cool to hear him throw in some new age shit, take a little break from the cold electronic feel of the last two releases (not that I'm complaining about KevMo's electronic side).
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I'm no 2012 buff, but aren't the planets supposed to line up this year on Dec. 21 for the first time in thousands of years? That fits well with this artwork.
No, the Mayan calander just happens to end on Dec. 21, 2012. Everyone wants to read something into it, but it's likely nothing more than the end of a lunar cycle (winter solstice), and they didn't go further because they either ran out of room, or decided that having a calander that for the next 1000 years was looking forward enough.
That said, I like the cover.
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I'm not superstitious or anything, but one cool interpretation I've heard is that it will indeed mark a planetary alignment, and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. That could make for a cool concept album imo.
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I just saw a TV program about the planetary alignment coming this year on History Channel. Here's the link. Go to the 2:40 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtbhF9oetrs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtbhF9oetrs). It's called the "dark rift."
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Yeah, it'd be cool to hear him throw in some new age shit, take a little break from the cold electronic feel of the last two releases (not that I'm complaining about KevMo's electronic side).
I totally agree. I enjoy Moore the most when he's doing the earthly, raw and organic melodies, such as with Graveyard Mountain Home.
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I've never heard GMH, is it good? It's his only release that I don't have.
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I listened to Blood last night for the first time in... at least 2 years.
Now I'm looking forward to the new OSI!
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Yeah, I think it's been about that long for me as well. OSI I've been spinning again lately though.
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I've never heard GMH, is it good? It's his only release that I don't have.
I neglected GMH for a long time and I really regret it, since its a really decent album. Its very chill and laidback. Outside of his work in DT, its my favorite Kevin Moore album/project, but it does take some getting used to.
Here's two songs I really like off of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpgqmCKPss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A22cKKUq0dc&feature=related
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Sweeeet! Awesome artwork. It'd be cool if it were the album cover; I'm guessing it is given that it's the only thing on the main site. Interesting that there's no other links or anything; maybe we'll get another update sooner than later. I'd love it if this album had a more earthy feel, but I also don't want it to lose that electric feel.
Super Dude, GMH is amazing; there are some odd tracks here and there but as it's been said it is more organic than his other albums, especially the title track.
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No, the Mayan calander just happens to end on Dec. 21, 2012. Everyone wants to read something into it, but it's likely nothing more than the end of a lunar cycle (winter solstice), and they didn't go further because they either ran out of room, or decided that having a calander that for the next 1000 years was looking forward enough.
It's like thinking the world is going to end on Dec. 31 of this year because that's when your Dilbert wall calendar runs out of pages.
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Just out of curiosity,
Since the formation of OSI, have they ever once toured at all? And if not, will they ever play any shows?
I know KM doesn't really like to tour, but a few shows here or there would be sweet.
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He played a few Chroma Key songs by himself, but I think that's it.
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FYI:
OSI guitarist Jim Matheos revealed some details on OSI's upcoming fourth studio album in an interview posted today by the music website Hit Channel. In the interview, which was conducted on Jan. 2, Matheos revealed that Metal Blade Records was expected to release a press this week released about the album, along with audio samples, song titles and pictures. He also said that there are no guest musicians on the upcoming album and that the band is considering the possibilities of live shows sometime this year.
"You know it's coming out in March and there is supposed to be a press release coming from Metal Blade next week and basically they asked me not to tell anything about it before the press release because I guess they want to get all the attention when it comes out," Matheos said. "Kevin and I are really happy with it, but that's all I can say. There will be a bunch of information released next week as far as titles, pictures and some samples coming out next week on O.S.I website and on Metal Blade as well."
Regarding the use of guest musicians, Matheos said: "Not in this one. We decided for this one that Kevin and I we're gonna take care of everything, except for the drums that neither of us can do. It just turned out that way, we felt comfortable with the material that we were writing and he felt comfortable with all the vocals. You know a lot of times in the past we liked some of the songs that Kevin didn't felt comfortable doing lyrics and vocals for them for whatever reason so we brought a guest vocalist here and there. For this one it didn't work out that way so it's just Kevin, Gavin and I."
Regarding the possibility of an OSI tour, Matheos said: "You know it's like the Arch/Matheos thing. It's hard to put together. We're talking about it, we may do a couple of shows this year but we've talked about it in the past also and has never happened so far and I can't make promises. I will do everything I can to do it cause I think it will be a great show."
To read the full interview, click here: https://www.hit-channel.com/sinenteuxeis/xenoi-kallitexnes/english-version/item/5773-interview-jim-matheos-fates-warning-osi-arch-matheos (https://www.hit-channel.com/sinenteuxeis/xenoi-kallitexnes/english-version/item/5773-interview-jim-matheos-fates-warning-osi-arch-matheos).
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That'd be a nice cover art! :tup Hopefully the press release will come early next week
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Classic Rock Prog Magazine just tweeted:
"New OSI has landed. Fire Make Thunder. Here we go..."
Album title?
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Oh, shit. I just googled "OSI - Fire Make Thunder" and it got a lot of hits. That's the title. March 23.
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Looks like Nuclear Blast is saying 3-23-2012 as the release date. :caffeine:
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FUCKING YES.
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FUCK YES. CAN'T WAIT!
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Still no press release or samples. Come on, NB, don't be noobs!
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Awesome title if it is! If not...first single?
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Interesting title! Looks like there'll be a digipak edition (again): https://www.emp-online.co.uk/bin/shop.php?prog=shop&mid=&article=226064&funktion=PRODUCTINFO&bildrub=&product=O.S.I
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Now to find the US / N. America site. The only thing that sucks is that this is at about the same time Flying Colors is getting released. I hate having albums I anticipate being released on the same date, but if freaking happens all the time :lol
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If I don't get some OSI song samples soon I might go on a murderous rampage.
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If I don't get some OSI song samples soon I might go on a murderous rampage.
Here you go https://www.metalblade.com/osi/ (https://www.metalblade.com/osi/)
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If I don't get some OSI song samples soon I might go on a murderous rampage.
Here you go https://www.metalblade.com/osi/ (https://www.metalblade.com/osi/)
Just listened.
OH. FUCK. YEAH. :letam: :2metal: :metal
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD
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Sounds good.
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N. America pre-order site: https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladerecords/band/osi (https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladerecords/band/osi)
Has a CD/Shirt bundle, and the CD itself is only $10. No idea what shipping is though.
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OSI: Brand New Album Announced! Tracklisting and Album Artwork Revealed
"Fire Make Thunder" Audio Medley Now Available!
(https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6770/osibackground.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/osibackground.jpg/)
Fire Make Thunder marks the fourth undertaking for the collaborative duo known as OSI. Formed in 2002 by Jim Matheos (Fates Warning, Arch/Matheos) and Kevin Moore (Chroma Key, former Dream Theater keyboardist), OSI is a long distance partnership, both musicians typically writing and recording alone and sending song ideas back and forth for further elaboration. Written and recorded throughout most of 2011, this latest release once again reflects the eclectic influences of both Matheos and Moore.
Fire Make Thunder is slated for a March 27th release via Metal Blade Records. Today OSI unveils the artwork and the tracklisting for their fourth release.
Track listing:
1) Cold Call
2) Guards
3) Indian Curse
4) Enemy Prayer
5) Wind Won't Howl
6) Big Chief II
7) For Nothing
8) Invisible Men
Additionally, OSI has released an exclusive audio medley from Fire Make Thunder, which features audio samples from the upcoming release. The medley as well as pre-order opportunities can be accessed HERE.
Returning as the band’s session drummer is Gavin Harrison of Porcupine Tree, this time co-writing one of the tracks with the band. All other instruments and programming were performed by both Matheos and Moore, while vocals and lyrics were handled exclusively by Moore.
All of the recording for Fire Make Thunder, with the exception of drums, was done by Moore and Matheos at each musician’s respective home studio with drums being recorded at Harrison’s home in London. Final overdubs as well as some additional writing/arranging was completed in July 2011 in Jamaica, Iowa, where the band mixed alongside engineer Matt Sepanic at Sound Farm Studio and Recording Environment. Mastering was handled by renowned engineer Roger Siebel. The record was produced by both Moore and Matheos.
We reached out to OSI for comments on the album. Our calls have not been returned.
For More Information Please Visit:
https://www.osiband.com
https://www.metalblade.com/osi
https://twitter.com/osi_band
https://www.facebook.com/pages/OSI/203893353038854
https://www.youtube.com/osivideos
https://plus.google.com/101327182573580737209
https://www.myspace.com/osiband
Audio link: https://www.metalblade.com/osi/
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smile EVERYWHERE YES I LOVE IT
Oh my word this sounds so fucking good. I think it has everything that I want. The more metal elements of Blood along with the subtlety of Free. Some songs have their own newer feel too but still sounds like OSI. I think I'm going to love this so damn much. AHHHHHJUSTINBEIBERRRR!!!!! Fuckin' March... Can't come soon enough.
Invisible Men :heart
Oh and 'injun' FTW. :lol
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It sounds incredible! Kevin's hair sure got whiteish though. Damn, his voice sounds fucking awesome!
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Yeah it really did, I wonder if he's been unusually stressed..? Or it just runs in the family... He always sound amazing; no other voice like his. I really am so insanely excited for this, more than any other band in a long time. Woohoo!!
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These samples sound great. Sounds like a great balance, as I'd hoped. :tup
The most amazing part of all is that the samples sound like so many more songs than eight, so it should be a pretty wild ride.
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These samples sound great. Sounds like a great balance, as I'd hoped. :tup
The most amazing part of all is that the samples sound like so many more songs than eight, so it should be a pretty wild ride.
I thought the same, I don't exactly hope for long(er) songs but if they are then all the better. Yeah, I was surprised when Invisible Men ended and it kept playing snippets; that's awesome though that there is that much material. The album isn't even out yet and I'm already thinking of B-sides and unused tracks. :laugh: I'm so giddy right now it's not even funny.
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N. America pre-order site: https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladerecords/band/osi (https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladerecords/band/osi)
Has a CD/Shirt bundle, and the CD itself is only $10. No idea what shipping is though.
OH! Great find, thank you!
Preordered. I am waiting impatiently for the release. :caffeine:
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Awesome samples. I like where this is going!
Pre-ordered the CD/T-Shirt bundle, ended up being $32.16 with the cheapest UPS ground shipping available. Not bad!
March is going to be a FUN month, and April will be spent absorbing all the new music coming out then!
-Marc.
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I'm going to wait for there to be more options when I order it. $10 for shipping a CD is pretty steep.
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I'm going to wait for there to be more options when I order it. $10 for shipping a CD is pretty steep.
That is pretty damn steep. As much as I love the T, I've resently come to the realization that I don't need anymore, I have 29 T-shirts I wear on a regular basis - and I'm going to have to start dressing "more professionally" soon. *UGH*
Damnit I would have loved it if the first day of class my teacher came in rocking a Iron Maiden shirt.
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Can't. Stop. Listening. Kevin's voice is layered and harmonized really well, particularly in the "Cold Call" clip. He's really mastered the use of his voice. You can hear the growth from album to album. Jim did a good job on bass too, from what I hear in the clips. And it's good to hear some acoustic parts and some piano!
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Hmm, sounds okay. I'm sure the full album with make a better impression on me.
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4:55-end. FUCK, this is so good. Gives me the exact same feeling the Blood sampler did with the title track. This album... haven't been that excited since forever. /fanboyism
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Can't. Stop. Listening. Kevin's voice is layered and harmonized really well, particularly in the "Cold Call" clip. He's really mastered the use of his voice. You can hear the growth from album to album. Jim did a good job on bass too, from what I hear in the clips. And it's good to hear some acoustic parts and some piano!
Ye siree, it sounds so very clear even through a sampled Youtube stream. It all sounds golden. I'm really loving the samples especially from Enemy Prayer, Wind Won't Howl and Invisible Men though. I have such a musical hard on for Moore. Can't say I've heard a lick of Matheos outside OSI but the bass did catch me on a few tracks. These two mesh together so well; I really hope they tour because I would travel and pay out the ass to see them. Ararar I am so excited but I just wanna sleep through till March 27th now!
Oh yeah and I forgot to mention how amazingly gorgeous that album cover is; I gotta say seeing it now I'm really glad it wasn't as simplistic as the 'planets/god-bird' image. This one seems a bit much at first but it flows beautifully. Er... To say I'm a fanboy of these guys is such an understatement. I REALLY WANT THIS RIGHT NOW. I can't stop grinning at "C'mon injun curse" though, hahaha! I don't think it will detract from the song but..really...like, straight up "inJUN". Although now that I think about it, surely that was done purposefully for some kind of statement within the song. Either way, I'm going to go listen to the medley again and fap to those images of Moore.
I don't know why it didn't stand out to me before but Big Chief II is fuckin' heavily groovy.
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These samples sound great. Sounds like a great balance, as I'd hoped. :tup
The most amazing part of all is that the samples sound like so many more songs than eight, so it should be a pretty wild ride.
Completely agree with all of this. Cannot wait for this album!
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$10 for cheapest shipping is fucking rediculous. I was going to get the package deal, but instead I'll just buy the album via Amazon.
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$10 for cheapest shipping is fucking rediculous. I was going to get the package deal, but instead I'll just buy the album via Amazon.
Unfortunately, this is probably what I'll be doing as well. The samples sound great, though.
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Great news, the audio medley sounds awesome! :metal I'm looking forward to hearing Big Chief II the most and For Nothing sounds interesting too. Also, judging by the clip of Cold Call, Kevin has started using samples again.
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I have listened to nothing but the samples for the past 24 hours. I think I've played in at least 50 times so far lol.
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So gooodd :hefdaddy
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$10 for cheapest shipping is fucking rediculous. I was going to get the package deal, but instead I'll just buy the album via Amazon.
It really is, but I want this so badly that I need to feel like I have it now; thus... I went ahead and pre-ordered it with the tee. Very happy right now, I can't wait. Only for this band (er...and Wilson and Opeth).
I have listened to nothing but the samples for the past 24 hours. I think I've played in at least 50 times so far lol.
:lol Srsly, me too. I'm really loving that lil keyboard shtick after the chorus in Big Chief II. I really have a feeling that these samples aren't even the tip of the iceberg of this album. I realllly wish we had track times as well but perhaps they're still doing some slight edits here and there. But yeah... Not even close to tiring of this yet and my iTunes count says I've listened to it 23 times already. (Youtube video converter FTW...good quality at that) ;D And that didn't count the night drive I took for a few hours and playing nothing but this.
Also, upon further inspection, Moore does not in fact say "injun"! Woohoo! Fwahaha... It really did sound like he was saying it, hearing it on my shitty little computer speakers. Thank god... I don't know why but that's a really random pet peeve with me. I can now love this album unconditionally. Pshyeah right... Like I'm not going insane super saiyan fanboy mode as it is.
So glad to have it down on paper that I legally own this album. I just...need it...in my hands... NOW. Kthanksnowbacktothemedley
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Can't stop listening.
Also, https://twitter.com/#!/osi_band/status/162054885557288961 - makes me sad. Demos, making-of docu, stuff like that would be so awesome to have once again.
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I listened to a bit of the sample and stopped. I want the album to be as fresh as possible when I hear it.
Think about this - Let's say this album maintains the quality of the last three. That would have to be considered one of the best four album runs by any band, right?
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Can't stop listening.
Also, https://twitter.com/#!/osi_band/status/162054885557288961 - makes me sad. Demos, making-of docu, stuff like that would be so awesome to have once again.
Yeah, I was a bit disheartened when I read that as well. But hey at this point I'm just glad to even have an OSI4. I won't count out the possibility that they're hiding maybe a few clips here or there, maybe a couple like they did with Blood but I'm happy with what we have.
I listened to a bit of the sample and stopped. I want the album to be as fresh as possible when I hear it.
Think about this - Let's say this album maintains the quality of the last three. That would have to be considered one of the best four album runs by any band, right?
Yeah, no kidding; there aren't many bands that I can say I really love each and every album and nearly every track on each. Very rare. Despite my immense fanboy-ism and giddyness for this album, I still try and manage my expectations but for this one after hearing what I have, I do expect it to be just as good as the last three if not better in some regards. Granted, I do not expect it to be better than their S/T, which is one of my favorite albums of any band but if it's as good as Blood I'll be extremely happy. It'd be quite the discography to have, especially considering this was supposed to be a one-off project.
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One off project? Wow, the world would so much worse without Free and Blood.
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Chyeah, got that right. I get nauseous thinking about it. Much less awesomeness in the world.
Thank Moore/Matheos they moved forward!
Speaking of, I heard the special edition second disc of Blood last night for the first time and it's awesome. No Celebrations with Bowness is amazing; the cover of Christian Brothers is awesome as well and while the extended Terminal track isn't all that great, it's a pretty cool jam.
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Chyeah, got that right. I get nauseous thinking about it. Much less awesomeness in the world.
Thank Moore/Matheos they moved forward!
Speaking of, I heard the special edition second disc of Blood last night for the first time and it's awesome. No Celebrations with Bowness is amazing; the cover of Christian Brothers is awesome as well and while the extended Terminal track isn't all that great, it's a pretty cool jam.
The extended version of Terminal is good, I wouldn't listen to it all the time but Gavin really shines on it.
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Hey, would anyone be interested in running (or helping me run because I'm not really good at it) some OSI survivors in anticipation of the new album?
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I'd say hell yes but I haven't even participated in a survivor let alone help run one. I'll definitely participate though! Is it just an elimination tournament type-deal? I'm assuming it works like the television show; there's a certain number of people (songs) and we vote each off till there's one left...yes? I'm interested, although I'm sure there's someone more qualified to run it. If no one steps up though, count me in.
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Got around to listening to the preview. I immediately pre-ordered the album. Would have gotten the version with the t-shirt if shipping had been less.
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Just ordered the CD t-shirt bundle. Can't pass an opportunity for the shirt.
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Hey, would anyone be interested in running (or helping me run because I'm not really good at it) some OSI survivors in anticipation of the new album?
I'll run it if no one has started it yet.
Should I include bonus songs or not tho?
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I say no. They're bonus songs for a reason.
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I will definitely participate in the survivor, but I agree with UMH, no bonus tracks should be included.
Think about this - Let's say this album maintains the quality of the last three. That would have to be considered one of the best four album runs by any band, right?
I liked the samples very much, this might end up being their masterpiece! And yes, it'd be one of the best 4-album runs ever! :metal
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Stupid question, but what is a "survivor"? It's like a voting thing to determine what fans think are a band's best song?
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Stupid question, but what is a "survivor"? It's like a voting thing to determine what fans think are a band's best song?
Pretty much, but in my experience the least favorites are mostly my favorites.
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Stupid question, but what is a "survivor"? It's like a voting thing to determine what fans think are a band's best song?
Yup, then there is a finals as well to determine all time favorite song.
So I'll get started on it, what do you guys think? One album at a time, with a 24 hour voting window?
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Just want to say that I think the album title and art are fantastic, but I wasn't really that taken by the samples. Then again I generally don't care much for samples. However I didn't like Blood as much as the first two albums and this seems to kinda head in that same direction.
Still, I hold a lot of faith in OSI and will be anxiously awaiting this.
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Stupid question, but what is a "survivor"? It's like a voting thing to determine what fans think are a band's best song?
Yup, then there is a finals as well to determine all time favorite song.
So I'll get started on it, what do you guys think? One album at a time, with a 24 hour voting window?
Yeah, I'm down for this! One album at a time sounds good. We did something similar at my site in 2009 to determine the all-time fan favorite Kevin Moore song, which ended up being "Space-Dye Vest."
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I say no. They're bonus songs for a reason.
I agree as well.
Stupid question, but what is a "survivor"? It's like a voting thing to determine what fans think are a band's best song?
Yup, then there is a finals as well to determine all time favorite song.
So I'll get started on it, what do you guys think? One album at a time, with a 24 hour voting window?
Sounds good! :tup
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Really excited for this album, sounds awesome so far.
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Alright guys I'll start the survivor tomorrow, don't you forget to vote!
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Sweeet! Nevar.
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Alright guys I'll start the survivor tomorrow, don't you forget to vote!
Good! I actually listened to all the 3 albums yesterday to make it easier to vote.
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Yeah, bring it on!
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OSI survivor is UP! GO VOTE!! https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30700.0
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AW MAN!! It's closed already???
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Round 2 is up though (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?board=9.0)
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Listening to the sampler again, I'm going to assume this will be much heavier than Blood. Seems like there's much more focus on riffs than the atmosphere, but I have a feeling it's going to be an awesome mix.
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Listening to the sampler again, I'm going to assume this will be much heavier than Blood. Seems like there's much more focus on riffs than the atmosphere, but I have a feeling it's going to be an awesome mix.
That's actually good news. I'm not listening to the samples because I want the new material to sound fresher on the first listen.
I loved Blood, but it's my least favorite OSI because some of the atmospheric moments didn't really click for me. So a slight shift toward the riffy/heavy side of OSI would strike the PERFECT balance.
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I don't like the heavy side of OSI all that much, which I suppose is why I prefer Chroma Key. It's also why Blood's my favourite OSI album, the title track is gorgeous.
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Listening to the sampler again, I'm going to assume this will be much heavier than Blood. Seems like there's much more focus on riffs than the atmosphere, but I have a feeling it's going to be an awesome mix.
That's actually good news. I'm not listening to the samples because I want the new material to sound fresher on the first listen.
I loved Blood, but it's my least favorite OSI because some of the atmospheric moments didn't really click for me. So a slight shift toward the riffy/heavy side of OSI would strike the PERFECT balance.
Strange. I would definitely consider Blood to be my favorite. It's much more focused on ambiance, but the atmospheric songs play off the heavy stuff really well.
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I just stumbled across some extended samples and track lengths on Amazon UK.
Link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fire-Make-Thunder/dp/B007433YVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328650066&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fire-Make-Thunder/dp/B007433YVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328650066&sr=8-1)
1. Cold Call 7:10
2. Guards 5:03
3. Indian Curse 4:42
4. Enemy Prayer 4:54
5. Wind Won't Howl 5:05
6. Big Chief II 3:04
7. For Nothing 3:18
8. Invisible Men 9:54
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I put in my pre-order for the CD and t-shirt yesterday. Can't wait!
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:tup :tup :caffeine:
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The sample for Enemy Prayer sounds fucking sick. I'm definitely looking forward to Invisible Men the most though.
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Nice, I love Gavin on Big Chief II
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Nice, I love Gavin on Big Chief II
Yes. I think this is my most anticipated track going. It's a shame it's one of the shorter tracks on the album, but then again it might be an omniverse of awesomness jam-packed into 3 amazing minutes. I think it will be. I need this album. And the T-shirt.
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Looks like I'll likely be interviewing Kevin Moore. Is there anything in particular you folks would like asked of him?
Also, I'm thinking the best lead question is definitely how did it feel to be nominated for the grammy. :neverusethis:
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Looks like I'll likely be interviewing Kevin Moore. Is there anything in particular you folks would like asked of him?
Also, I'm thinking the best lead question is definitely how did it feel to be nominated for the grammy. :neverusethis:
Ask him if he's ever opened again.
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TELL HIM TO DO AN ALBUM WITH STEVEN WILSON PLEAAAAAAASE.
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As a srs question, I'd like to hear a little about his plans for Chroma Key, and if he's officially laying it to rest or if we have something to look forward to in the future.
TELL HIM TO DO AN ALBUM WITH STEVEN WILSON PLEAAAAAAASE.
And this.
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Well, of course - what is the status of Chroma Key, what are some of his favourite albums/artists/bands from 2011, what else is he doing other than OSI - plans for more soundtracks or what does he plan for the future? stuff like that.
Oh yeah, would be interesting to see if experimenting with female vocals (and dubstep lol) for OSI has ever been brought up.
Now that there are 2 albums after free, is there any chance/plans of getting a remix album with a few songs like in re:free? Or maybe revisiting songs like Stockholm and writing your own vocals/lyrics for it and publishing it digitally or as a bonus at some point?
This just from OSI/FW twitter: video interview with KM/JM https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-video-osis-kevin-moore-and-jim-matheos-talk-fire-makes-thunder
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Awesome video interview. Kevin looks a lil skinny.
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Looks like I'll likely be interviewing Kevin Moore. Is there anything in particular you folks would like asked of him?
Also, I'm thinking the best lead question is definitely how did it feel to be nominated for the grammy. :neverusethis:
How does Fire Make Thunder differ from the previous OSI albums? Is there any song you're particularly fond/proud of on the album? How does it feel to listen to some of your earlier works like Dead Air for Radios or the OSI debut after all these years?
And like the others, I'd like to know if there'll be a new Chroma Key album in the future. Looks like I managed to avoid any DT questions! :lol
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Well, I don't even plan to try any DT questions, so that's good!
I will admit my Chroma Key knowledge is very limited, so I'll try and do some research and figure out a good way to get into that subject.
Also, on the final track in my first listen... well... I'll just save it for a potential review.
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Will there be a bonus track titled, "...But I Had A Pen And Some Paper, So What The Fuck"?
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Actually the final hidden bonus track is called, "Well, I had a recording studio, and some Jim Matheos, so I said what the fuck."
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Great! Can't wait to hear it :neverusethis:
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Well, I don't even plan to try any DT questions, so that's good!
I will admit my Chroma Key knowledge is very limited, so I'll try and do some research and figure out a good way to get into that subject.
Also, on the final track in my first listen... well... I'll just save it for a potential review.
Dude, Im so jealous! I wanna listen. I sent in an interview request today as well for my site. It would be amazing to interview him.
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And it also looks like I'll be speaking with Jim Matheos tomorrow, so anything for him let me know.
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I just found a website with super long song samples from OSI's Fire Make Thunder:
https://www.hmvdigital.com/artist/osi/fire-make-thunder#
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UNGF MAN I WANT THIS ALBUM.
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I don't know if I want to listen to even longer samples. I've already listened to the official sampler about 50-60 times.
Nick, when can we expect to see/hear/read the interview with Kev?
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I don't know if I want to listen to even longer samples. I've already listened to the official sampler about 50-60 times.
Nick, when can we expect to see/hear/read the interview with Kev?
right here https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169895&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169895&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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I don't know if I want to listen to even longer samples. I've already listened to the official sampler about 50-60 times.
Nick, when can we expect to see/hear/read the interview with Kev?
I'm doing the interview on Wednesday, and will hopefully have it up either that afternoon or night.
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Jesus FUCK that sounds so AWESOME!! I cannot wait. Like, I really can't. I might break into Kev's home and force him to let me buy one early. At least I can buy it...that much I can do. AGRARARRAAA
Impatiently awaiting your interviews, Nick; sounds great!
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Samples sound amazing......not sure I can wait a whole month !
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Jesus FUCK that sounds so AWESOME!! I cannot wait. Like, I really can't. I might break into Kev's home and force him to let me buy one early. At least I can buy it...that much I can do. AGRARARRAAA
Impatiently awaiting your interviews, Nick; sounds great!
Interview. Sadly I wasn't able to reschedule when Jim had to cancel out of his original day, so it will just be KevMo.
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will just be KevMo.
Think that is the understatement of the year so far - can't wait for that !
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I follow Jim outside of OSI a lot more, but I figured you guys would be happy with that outcome.
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Well shat, that's a bummer. Gotta admit though, it doesn't affect me one bit as I'm the exact opposite as you, Nick; I didn't even know who Jim was before OSI and I still haven't heard a lick of material outside of that project. Suffice it to say I'm still very excited, always great to hear from Moore when we can.
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If you appreciate the riffing and guitar work in OSI then you HAVE to check out Fates Warning, starting with Parallels.
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And ending with FWX and A Twist of Fate while enjoying everything in-between.
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Nick, if it's not too late, I have one more question for KevMo: I'd like to know if he made references to his earlier lyrics intentionally on Blood, for example in Radiologue.
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If you appreciate the riffing and guitar work in OSI then you HAVE to check out Fates Warning, starting with Parallels.
I would honestly bump this back one album to Perfect Symmetry.
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Nick, if it's not too late, I have one more question for KevMo: I'd like to know if he made references to his earlier lyrics intentionally on Blood, for example in Radiologue.
What references?
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Radiologue - "I was heading West, thirty days faster"
Even the Waves (Chroma Key) - "Keep heading West, That's the best"
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Radiologue - "I was heading West, thirty days faster"
Even the Waves (Chroma Key) - "Keep heading West, That's the best"
That's exactly what I was referring to, along with the line "40 days and we're still waiting"! :tup Another one is:
The Escape Artist - "You act mysterious / But you speak in gibberish"
Astronaut Down (Chroma Key) - "You look so mysterious / But you sound so serious"
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OSI - Radiologue
Had a fever
woke up in a sweat
bailing out the water
Chroma Key - Undertow
Last night hit the net
Woke up in a sweat
Same scene, different dream, sudden ending
I believe it's mostly his way of writing lyrics, selecting sounds rather than words. He probably has a few key phrases that come to him naturally when looking for certain sounds.
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I believe it's mostly his way of writing lyrics, selecting sounds rather than words. He probably has a few key phrases that come to him naturally when looking for certain sounds.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Radiologue - "I was heading West, thirty days faster"
Even the Waves (Chroma Key) - "Keep heading West, That's the best"
Space-Dye Vest: "Feeling my heart pull west."
Undertow: "Hit the interstate hard heading west."
I always thought the "west" references referred to him leaving DT and driving cross country.
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Terminal also talks about going to California. Though, I hear a lot of references on Blood to his time in DT, especially in the first three tracks.
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Radiologue - "I was heading West, thirty days faster"
Even the Waves (Chroma Key) - "Keep heading West, That's the best"
Space-Dye Vest: "Feeling my heart pull west."
Undertow: "Hit the interstate hard heading west."
I always thought the "west" references referred to him leaving DT and driving cross country.
Maybe in the Chroma Key instances...but I don't think he's so stuck in the past that he would still be referring to it now (in an OSI song) 18 years after the fact.
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Just so ya'll know I'm not holding out on you, my interview got rescheduled to Friday, so expect it then. :)
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"Cold Call" is now streaming: https://www.decibelmagazine.com/featured/streaming-osi-cold-call/ (https://www.decibelmagazine.com/featured/streaming-osi-cold-call/)
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That was great. I'm really looking forward to this album, should be a blast.
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So is there not going to be a special edition for this one?
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Ohhh my giddyod that was awesome! Loved it.
So is there not going to be a special edition for this one?
They've stated in interviews that there is pretty much no material outside of the tracks on the record, not any completed tracks anyway (they were required to have extra tracks for B-sides and special editions on the record label they were on before so they purposefully overcompensated). So no, no special edition, B-sides, or any kind of extras. Sucks, but I'm hoping this means we will get more quality songs.
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Jim said that InsideOut encouraged, or required, that bands have material for a bonus disc. But Metal Blade doesn't ask that.
"Pray to a higher power; the enemy's gonna do the same!"
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Thanks for the reply...guess i better order the CD now...just wanted to make sure I wasnt going to have to double dip
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17duGlHEYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17duGlHEYY)
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*deletes posts*
Keep the thread legit please.
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Just so ya'll know I'm not holding out on you, my interview got rescheduled to Friday, so expect it then. :)
You holding out on us now?
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He is not. :'(
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Sadly the interview never came together, but around the time of new Fates Warning I do still hope to ask Jim a little bit about this.
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TEN DAYS!!!!! :caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:
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I listened to Blood today, and while OSI was a band I've usually been underwhelmed by, this was pretty good.
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Sounds awesome. 2012 is proving to be a great year for music. :metal
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Big Chief II can be streamed at https://www.progarchives.com/
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ORGASM OF THE EARS!!! That sounded so fucking badass, I LOVE the chorus (? the part that is in the teaser). SO giddy. I want it. I want it now. Put it in my ear.
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BCII is a better track from the album I'd say, but I probably prefer the first and last track to anything else on the album.
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Less than a week to go!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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https://soundcloud.com/osi-2/big-chief-ii better version
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I friggin' love those lyrics. I have a feeling I'm going to fuck this album when I get it. Just...rip it's plastic off, spread that sexy case open and just make sweet, musical love to it. Mm.
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Yay! Just got an email saying my order has shipped...hellz yeah. Now Flying Colors needs to do the same.
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Yay! Just got an email saying my order has shipped...hellz yeah.
Same here! Can't wait for my CD and t-shirt.
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I'm kind of bummed, to be honest. Cold Call and Big Chief II have done next to nothing for me. I hope the album is better than the sum of its parts.
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Cold Call wasn't as great as I thought it'd be, and I have a feeling it'll be my least favorite on the album; but BCII has rocked my socks off, I absolutely love the lil jam. Short, sweet and to the point. It's different than what I expected though, and while that isn't a bad thing, it's also got me somewhat nervous (more anxious) about the rest of the album. Either way it'll be an interesting ride.
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My order has shipped! I also finally picked up their first album in this order (it's surprisingly difficult to find for a reasonable price), so I am quite excited.
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Got an email from Metal Blade today - my FMT T-Shirt/CD package is shipping! Should be here Saturday or Monday! PSYCHED! I haven't listened to ANY of the songs posted in the last couple weeks, so this will be really fresh for me when I get it!
-Marc.
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I got from Amazon, and if they keep up per usual I can expect them to ship either Satuday or Monday.
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I got from Amazon, and if they keep up per usual I can expect them to ship either Satuday or Monday.
Same here, I'm hoping to get an email in the next couple days. Never had a problem with Amazon before so...fingers crossed. It would be just my luck though for the one order to screw up be this one, the only thing I've ordered in years and one of the most anticipated albums for a long while. ::)
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Got an email from Metal Blade today - my FMT T-Shirt/CD package is shipping! Should be here Saturday or Monday! PSYCHED! I haven't listened to ANY of the songs posted in the last couple weeks, so this will be really fresh for me when I get it!
-Marc.
This story matches mine exactly. Got the email. Haven't listened. Totally PSYCHED.
o/
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Just ordered the gold vinyl. :hat
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I should just drive an hour and get it today, but I can probably wait for a better time.
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Got an email from Metal Blade today - my FMT T-Shirt/CD package is shipping! Should be here Saturday or Monday! PSYCHED! I haven't listened to ANY of the songs posted in the last couple weeks, so this will be really fresh for me when I get it!
-Marc.
This story matches mine exactly. Got the email. Haven't listened. Totally PSYCHED.
o/
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Actually my UPS tracking says I should get it by the end of Monday, so I know what I'll be doing Monday night!
-Marc.
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So many interceptions, so little time.
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:facepalm:
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:rollin
P.S. I have the middle-section lyrics of BCII stuck in my head and I like it a lot.
P.P.S. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH9t44iOiA4)
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:facepalm:
God dammit, that's what happens when you don't realize a thread is on the next page. :lol
(Note: I use 50 ppp)
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/pogoowner/P032412_1528.jpg)
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LUCKY DUCKY!!! I want that shirt.
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Damnit, I knew I should've gotten the shirt too.
Stupid expensive shipping... *grumble grumble*
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The shirt looks good! Nice tight neckhole. I hate when the neckholes are all huge or stretched out like you could drive a truck thought it. The neckhole is the most important part of a t-shirt.
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The shirt looks good! Nice tight neckhole. I hate when the neckholes are all huge or stretched out like you could drive a truck thought it. The neckhole is the most important part of a t-shirt.
Haha I'm the opposite, I prefer larger necks :lol
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:eyebrows:
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I will remind everyone again to keep the conversation legitimate, next person that doesn't gets a vacation until the release date. You are free to discuss any music you've heard.
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I should be getting mine today or tomorrow. Can't wait for the shirt, i've never been this excited about a shirt.
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A forum member at The Mooreatorium is currently broadcasting all three OSI albums in celebration of Fire Make Thunder's release. There's also a live chatroom.
Radio station: https://kevinmoore.listen2myradio.com/
Chatroom: https://us5.chatzy.com/35653175819548
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That's cool stuff, I love doing special events like that.
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Boom.
(https://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6448/56105038117712856976110.jpg)
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Incredible shirt. I'm like 5 seconds away from buying the combo,
and I have to say
Matheos has such great timing:
First ADTOE and Arch/Matheos in the same week
and now Flying Colors and O.S.I in the same week
I'm in heaven.
(now I can just hope for new Fate's Warning the same week as Clockwork Angels)
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/292572_827973787111_38000227_36809018_1674202969_n.jpg)
:metal
-Marc.
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UMH was begging me to share the new album, so I did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-T3XyWcSA&feature=youtu.be
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I didn't know you had a funny accent. :biggrin:
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First impressions:
Did they just decide to write Blood again, and just give this candy a different wrapper? This album didn't grab me until the very end with Invisible Man. This album just felt *too* familiar, even if the layers applied throughout were different from other efforts. I dunno, none of the albums have been that varied and dynamic since the original, which felt like it was a whole bunch of different genres smashed into a single album. I mean, I'll give it a 7/10, but still, this didn't wow me.
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I think the album had a few really cool ideas and themes, and loved the first and last track, but overall I got the same impression SD. I rank the first two OSI albums quite highly (even if in retrospect I apparently forgot about them in my top 50 thread, doh), but didn't care too much for Blood save a few tracks.
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Having not heard only the last two songs, this doesn't sound like Blood. At all. Does it sound like OSI? Yes, definitely. But musically, Cold Call is the closest it gets to Blood.
First semi-listen, will comment more once I am able to properly give it a spin. Love it.
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WOOOOTZ. Got the album this evening. I've spun it once on my shitty 'puter speakers...and I thought almost every track was amazing; the whole thing is awesome and fun. It's a little different for OSI, I'm not sure how anyone could think it sounds anything like Blood. Odd that people hear and relate such different sounds, cause I don't think it really sounds like anything OSI has done...maybe the harder tracks off Free. Anyway, I love the album. I'll definitely be giving it many more spins in the next week or so.
Christ almoorely. For Nothing and Invisible Men :heart :heart :heart :hefdaddy
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-Marc.
I'm so jealous.
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Does anybody know where I can (legitimately) get this as a download? Striking out at Amazon and burning shed, and just dislike buyinng though iTunes (though as a last resort, I could).
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You might just wanna go with the last resort, considering they're selling it for $7.
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Just had my first listen through, I'd give it a 7/10 upon first listen, I don't know if I'd rank it right behind Blood for my #2 spot or let Free grab the #2 spot. I guess time will tell.
Can't wait to get the survivor started in a few weeks and find out what everyone thinks.
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OK so the final guitar solo at the end of "Invisible Men" what the hell does that sound like, I heard it somewhere before but I can't remember .. . . Fuck this is going to drive me insane.
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First listen, on Indian Curse right now. It seems like Moore was holding back quite a bit on the electronics this time around, especially compared to Blood.
Edit: Fuck. Enemy Prayer is going to be fighting Microburst Alert very hard for the title of my favorite OSI song.
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Invisible Men is just... so freaking good.
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Ok, downloading from iTunes now...
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Invisible Men is just... so freaking good.
This. For me, it's like the Octavarium of this album, the epic song that saves an otherwise average experience.
BTW, I'm not saying I hated the album, I just didn't love it. I was underwhelmed, let's say.
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I love it already. But Invisible Men is so good, I have hard time replaying the other songs. Keep that on repeat. It's so good, it's unreal. (also Octavarium is only good if you have my 11min edit of it :p)
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I actually felt a bit underwhelmed by the album as well on the first couple listens...in a weird way though, it didn't necessarily have to do with the individual songs or me liking or disliking them, but more of the whole album experience. The album in its entirety seems to cut short; so I guess I love it enough to want more. I mean, it clocks in at almost 45 minutes so it's a decently lengthy album, but as Mebert said on Mooreatorium (maybe here too?), I wish songs like BCII were longer. I am really digging this sound though, I love that Matheos is a bit more prominent on this album. I suppose Moore did take a slight backseat stance on the electronics, but I can still hear plenty of nuances from his side of the project; plenty to fulfill my Chroma Key addiction (For Nothing :millahhhh).
I was reading some reviews, and while I'm long past letting reviews affect my own opinion, its interesting to see the gripes of people regarding certain aspects of the album; one reviewer commented that the vocals were bland and boring, and that absolutely stunned me because while Moore obviously has a very specific vocal style, I thought they fit the music perfectly as well as the tone of the album in general. I absolutely adore Moore in this rendition, the man sounds angelic; his best effort yet. I'm on my fourth listen now, on Guards... My favorite tracks are definitely Wind Won't Howl, For Nothing, Big Chief II and Invisible Men.
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I understand what you're saying Tio. My feeling with the album is a bittersweet one. i LOVE the first four songs of the album, although I feel that the middle section of "Cold Call" gets a little repetitive and could use a scorching guitar solo, and "Enemy Prayer" could use some of Moore's spoken-word samples peppered throughout just for flavor. But other than that, the first four songs are really terrific and rank up there with any OSI song.
The next three songs are good as well, but I feel like they each are too short. "Wind Won't Hollow" and "Big Chief II" are incredibly awesome, but I just feel like they end quickly and I'm left wanting more, particularly with "BC II." That song is so unique and should have been extended more longer than 3 minutes. The current stanzas should just be verses and they should've have created a chorus, and then bam the song is twice as long. Then it would've been a real rollercoaster ride of craziness.
"Invisible Men" is just incredible. I can't complain about that one.
The lyrics are a bit more gibberish-like than past albums. With past albums, the lyrics were weird, but I felt like I could decipher some meanings and put the pieces together. These lyrics just seem to have no real meaning at all, lol. But it's still early, so maybe the lyric meanings will come to me, haha.
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Listened to the album twice today.
I think its a solid album, but nothing mind blowing. I can see myself listening to it on a regular basis though, which I good since I rarely if ever listen to the other 3 albums.
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Right, the lyrics are a big point of interest for me. I don't necessarily dislike them, on the contrary regarding certain songs, but I'm a bit confused. In an interview not too long ago, I recall Moore saying that (after being questioned about the lyrics and how the listeners interpret them) he definitely had a specific point in writing those lyrics and a message was there. Yet in another (granted, one that was older, I believe), he says as they were creating the album and sending samples and such back and forth, that whilst writing the lyrics he almost would literally 'mumble' lyrics at first and whatever fit the tempo of the song. So there's that... :laugh:
But I'm really pleased with the result of their efforts. It's certainly got a vibe of its own, I can see where they were going with the whole 'Native-American' vibe, it feels very eerie at parts, very...wilderness-y... Haha.
Ed: God DAMN is Invisible Men all kinds of sexy though. I'd almost be content with an album based around this song, strung out and expanded to the omniverses. So many layers of sex.
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Invisible Men is just... so freaking good.
This. For me, it's like the Octavarium of this album, the epic song that saves an otherwise average experience.
BTW, I'm not saying I hated the album, I just didn't love it. I was underwhelmed, let's say.
I have similar feelings.
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So... Something clicked with Guards. At first it was the only song I was on the verge of not liking too much, but I was driving back from an already very long drive downtown and decided to take the back roads thanks to a wonderfully catastrophic wreck. So, with that, I cranked on FMT and boy, that song is bumpin', for shizzle. It's still probably in the lower-tier of songs but its a great tune, it's more upbeat than the rest of the album. It helped having the evening sun and gusty winds to enjoy in the convertible (rentals always make me sad). I'm writing this while I'm driving cause I'm fancy and stupid like that... Then again I haven't seen another person for like two hours. Oh, and I'm a master typist. Textist. Sextist. (Like, I hate women, but only when I'm sexting)
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I'm still waiting for both this and Flying Colors.
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I think Wind Won't Howl is my favorite track.
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Invisible Men > last two Anathema albums combined.
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Got mine today. Will listen sometime soon!
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Invisible Men still hasn't "hit" me. Still waiting.
EDIT: Man, Big Chief II reminds me a lot of Sure You Will.
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I think Wind Won't Howl is my favorite track.
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I shouldn't say I'm underwhelmed, I guess this is exactly what i expected. A few standout tracks on an otherwise kickass CD. Just because its kickass doesn't mean I will listen to it much...when I do, somewhere down the road, I'm sure more and more stuff will grab me.
An additional problem is that I JUST received Dead Air for Radios 2 days ago and am in love with it. I have listened to that a lot more.
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This album is awesome. Best of the year so far, not that it's had much competition.
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Album keeps getting better.
Hmm...let's start ranking, though I know mine will change so much:
Wind Won't Howl
Invisible Men
Enemy Prayer
Guards
Indian Curse
Big Chief II
Cold Call
For Nothing
Does anyone else think Enemy Prayer has a "Wedding Nails" (PT) vibe to it?
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Does anyone else think Enemy Prayer has a "Wedding Nails" (PT) vibe to it?
Yes! I agree! My ranking:
Invisible Men
Guards
Wind won't Howl
Enemy Prayer
Cold Call
Indian Curse
Big Chief II
For Nothing
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Nice! At first, I wasn't sure if this album could beat Blood. We'll see. :metal
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Mine has been pretty different thus far (surprise, surprise! :P). I'm surprised For Nothing isn't getting any love.
Invisible Men
For Nothing
Wind Won't Howl
Big Chief II
Indian Curse
Guards
Enemy Prayer
Cold Call
My list is definitely going to be switching up in the next couple weeks. I think this album, for as much as I love it right now, will grow on me even more. It'll be interesting to see which songs move up. I love Enemy Prayer, but that's one that I think is going to have to marinate, along with Guards. Cold Call has just been played to hell already so I'm giving that one a break, harhar.
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Invisible Men > last two Anathema albums combined.
I'm not sure I understand the comparison.
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It's not a comparison. It's just that the amount of awesome in that song exceeds the one in both those albums combined.
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1. Wolf Won't Howl (might even be my favorite OSI song)
2. Big Chief II
3. Invisible Men
4. For Nothing
5. Guards
6. Indian Curse
7. Cold Call
8. Enemy Prayer
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Yeah, Wind Won't Howl is absolutely stunning. Best song by far.
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Better than the first two, we'll see how it fares against Blood. Blood I used to love, but it has aged really badly for me - there are only a few songs on it that I will listen to now and get that same OMG feeling I used to.
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Better than the first two, we'll see how it fares against Blood. Blood I used to love, but it has aged really badly for me - there are only a few songs on it that I will listen to now and get that same OMG feeling I used to.
Same thing with me. I loved it when it first came out, but seriously can't remember the last time I listened to it.
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Alright, after a snag I had with payment. It's finally in transit and should get it by tuesday.
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Argh I need to get this. But I will be shocked if it's better than Blood.
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OK, I officially LOVE this album! So here's the deal. Last night I was chilling at home and got a little fucked up and popped on Fire Make Thunder. Each time I listened to it before was in my 2004 car or on my old laptop. However, this time I popped some tracks up on my new SmartPhone and listened. Holy shit! I was like a totally different disc. There was so many little "blips" and "bloops" and clickity clacks and other sound effects that were getting lost in my car stereo. I couldn't believe the layers of sounds and the intricate mix of this album!
For example, "Wind Won't Howl" sounds very two-dimensional in my old car. But on my smartphone, the "snapping" sounds in the beginning were almost jumping out at me and so beautiful and pan around and it freaking blew me away. Same for "Cold Call." There's clickity clack sound throughout the song that never grabbed me as much in my car. But on my device, it was like a drug. It made the song!
Bottom line, there's so much going on in this album! Each time I listen now, I feel like I notice a new sound effect or noise. Totally amazing. Also, news flash to me, i need to buy an iPod, lol. My car and laptop clearly aren't doing music justice.
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Your iPod won't either.
/StevenWilson
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I like Big Chief II, but the rest of the album just isn't doing it for me the way Blood or Free did. It still sounds like OSI, granted, but none of it sounds that memorable compared to their other stuff so far. Will need to give it more listens.
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Listened to the new album. Enjoyed it, pretty good. Nothing mindblowing though.
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I love For Nothing more than words can explain. It sounds so much like a Chroma Key song that it makes me want Kev to get back to that project. It's very mellow, very droning, but I like that about it; and for that matter much of the rest of the album.
OK, I officially LOVE this album! So here's the deal. Last night I was chilling at home and got a little fucked up and popped on Fire Make Thunder. Each time I listened to it before was in my 2004 car or on my old laptop. However, this time I popped some tracks up on my new SmartPhone and listened. Holy shit! I was like a totally different disc. There was so many little "blips" and "bloops" and clickity clacks and other sound effects that were getting lost in my car stereo. I couldn't believe the layers of sounds and the intricate mix of this album!
For example, "Wind Won't Howl" sounds very two-dimensional in my old car. But on my smartphone, the "snapping" sounds in the beginning were almost jumping out at me and so beautiful and pan around and it freaking blew me away. Same for "Cold Call." There's clickity clack sound throughout the song that never grabbed me as much in my car. But on my device, it was like a drug. It made the song!
Bottom line, there's so much going on in this album! Each time I listen now, I feel like I notice a new sound effect or noise. Totally amazing. Also, news flash to me, i need to buy an iPod, lol. My car and laptop clearly aren't doing music justice.
It's definitely chaulk-full of nuances. I had a similar experience with Guards except it was in my car that I heard what I hadn't before on my computer speakers. I've still only listened to Invisible Men, For Nothing and Big Chief II on my iPhone through headphones. It's a deep album with many layers, to be sure.
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Love it. It doesn't have the highs of Blood, but it doesn't have the lows either.
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Love it. It doesn't have the highs of Blood, but it doesn't have the lows either.
I agree with this. Although I found very few highs on Blood, the 2 or 3 excellent tracks were probably better than those on FMT. However I find FMT to be muuuuch more consistent whereas with Blood there are times I just want to turn it off.
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Love it. It doesn't have the highs of Blood, but it doesn't have the lows either.
I agree with this. Although I found very few highs on Blood, the 2 or 3 excellent tracks were probably better than those on FMT. However I find FMT to be muuuuch more consistent whereas with Blood there are times I just want to turn it off.
That is so true.
At the end of the day, I think its FMT's consistency which will allow me to listen to it on a regular basis, unlike the other albums.
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I have ordered my copy.
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I'm raving over Indian Curse and Wind Won't Howl. Christ, after this album is through with me all the songs are going to be #1. One exception... I haven't really clicked with Enemy Prayer thus far. It's a neat tune and a fun jam but other than that I can't really get into it; Microburst is definitely the reigning instrumental and I doubt it'll be dethroned. But we'll see.
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Just got through first listen. I'm with others, I'm liking it, not loving it. It unfortunatly came at the same time as RPWL, and less than a week after Flying Colors, so it looks like its gonna have to wait until I start to tire on those albums. RPWL, we'll see - only listened once. Flying Colors might be a while though.
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Big Chief
Big Chief Big Chief
BigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBigChiefBig ChiefBigChief
I like that song.
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This album is growing on me like it's nobody's business. I wasn't overly excited about it at first, and i still think it's too short for Kev's only new music in three years. If you're not gonna tour and it's your only project, you need to put out more than 43 minutes in my opinion. But the more you listen, the more you hear new things and the more you piece together the bizarre lyrics. It's so fun. "Wind Won't Howl" has me addicted. The pitter patter sounds are like a drug. I can't get enough.
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Yeah. I would have been fine with a re:free (sadly that was a label thing and he won't be doing it again unless required to) type second disc or just some earlier demo versions of the current songs.
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I couldn't stand re:free, I had no patience for those songs. The originals were a lot better.
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I prefer the remixed version of Home Was Good. The other - yeah. But if Kevin had done those they would probably be a lot better.
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I prefer the remixed version of Home Was Good. The other - yeah. But if Kevin had done those they would probably be a lot better.
This. The remixed Home Was Good is absolutely stunning, I always love listening to it on a stormy day (or anything by Kev for that matter). Also, if I'm in the mood then the remixed Kicking is very cool, it just drags on a bit. I'm actually listening to it now...I like it, but it's a toss up between this and the original. As for the Go remix, I don't think I've ever listened to it fully, that's probably the only song I actually dislike.
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Since we're on the topic of OSI remixes, not sure if you guys have ever heard this dude's remix of OSI's "Go." It's stunning. He posted it on YouTube last year. He told me has wasn't too familiar with OSI, but his friend played him "Go" and he really liked it so made a remix.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-izkq4Jqzc
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Oh wow, that is pretty cool! :tup
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I prefer the remixed version of Home Was Good. The other - yeah. But if Kevin had done those they would probably be a lot better.
This. The remixed Home Was Good is absolutely stunning, I always love listening to it on a stormy day (or anything by Kev for that matter). Also, if I'm in the mood then the remixed Kicking is very cool, it just drags on a bit. I'm actually listening to it now...I like it, but it's a toss up between this and the original. As for the Go remix, I don't think I've ever listened to it fully, that's probably the only song I actually dislike.
Yeah, it's not bad. Only Go is bad, Kicking is OK and HWG is amazing. Even bought the CD when it came out. Some of the songs on Blood (like the title song) could lend themselves very well to some remixing and experimenting, imo.
Some of the remixes for that Steven Wilson album were better than the originals too.
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FFS someone make KM and SW make an album together NOW.
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FFS someone make KM and SW make an album together NOW.
I have masturbated to thought about this so many times.
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FFS someone make KM and SW make an album together NOW.
To be honest, Kevin has seemed really open to working with various musicians. He's been taking on a lot of "guest appearances" with small bands that are his fans and working on a couple songs for their albums. Bands like In Progress, Chaos Venture and now this Italian composer Alberto Rigoni. So, considering that, I would think Kev would be open to working with SW if he asked. Just a guess tho.
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FFS someone make KM and SW make an album together NOW.
It could be awesome.
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FFS someone make KM and SW make an album together NOW.
It would be sweet. Shutdown was just a taste, now we need a full album.
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The question remains, how much of a KM-fan is SW? Obviously we have Shutdown, but it seems like if SW had enjoyed that collaboration and had been a huge fan of KM, they would probably have done something more by now. (Though it took over 10 years before SW did something with Åkerfeldt)
And besides, SW is crazy busy. Even if he jumped the ship on Blackfield, he still has way too much on his head. Solo-album 3 on the way, then he is really due for another PT-album, and then we HAVE to get another No-Man album, and throw in a couple of "mixing other band's albums" and a few Bass Communion-albums here and there, he doesn't really have much time. :P
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I think SW would join if he's offered and has the time. I remember reading an interview with him that initially he wasn't interested because what he had heard was the original idea of the album (with DG still on board as a singer iirc) but when they gave him a sample of what's actually going on musically there he changed his mind.
This should be google-able, unless I've had a really vivid dream about reading SW interviews...
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I know that Gavin said in an interview a few years back for Blood that he asked SW about OSI when he was considering being the drummer and SW recommended OSI and said its good stuff. I forget what he said exactly. The interview is posted under the Media/Interviews section on The Mooreatorium. So it seems SW likes OSI and Kev's creativity.
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I'm still stuck on Invisible Men. Every time I listen to the album I repeat the song 5-6 times. Right now I'm loving the bass Jim did on it and Gavin's drumming. Gildenlol should change the name of TPE to Almost TPE.
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I was leaving work before and didn't get to find Gavin's quote on Steven Wilson and OSI. Here it is:
Q: Were you a fan of OSI previously? What were your thoughts on the first two albums?
GH: No. I hadn’t heard any of their previous material. I knew Steve Wilson [the lead singer for Porcupine Tree] had sung on one of their previous albums - and he told me it was good stuff.
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While we're digging for stuff...
shutDOWN is God's contribu... er... I mean Steven Wilson's contribution here. It seems that the band were interested in having Steven implied into the project in any way, but the first things they sent him didn't catch his attention. It was after Kevin started to remodel and reshape the music when Steven finally found himself liking the stuff they were sending him, so he sung this track, that is the longer one of the album (not counting the bonus tracks). It starts slow and subtle, dark and low, to climb from time to time to places that indeed seems like coming out from an old Porcupine Tree album. About half ot the song it steps up the pace, entering another passage of The Thing That Never Was, so the song ends being stronger and faster.
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/OSI/Office_of_Strategic_Influence/17530/
So it wasn't an interview but this. Or maybe both, but this is the only thing I could find.
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^ makes sense because SW isn't really fond of DT's style of music either. And since it was a prog in the same vain as DT, originally, then KM made it more atmospheric like SW style, he liked it. Hmm, by that logic he probably enjoys Chroma Key.
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Damn, I need to get this album soon! Too bad local stores don't have it :(
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The shirt looks good! Nice tight neckhole. I hate when the neckholes are all huge or stretched out like you could drive a truck thought it. The neckhole is the most important part of a t-shirt.
i just got a Leprous tee that i ordered a while back...tightest neck hole i've ever had the pleasure of fitting my big ol' nappy head thru.
...if only my Beardfish tee had maintained its structural integrity...that thing's stretched to shit.
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I can't stop repeating this stanza all day, every day:
"Under cover of night,
We go up the river side.
Show us your hands,
As we come again.
The invisible men."
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Has anyone else who pre-ordered not received their copy yet? Mine supposedly shipped almost two weeks ago, and it has yet to show up.
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Got my CD and shirt today. This album so far is pretty good. My gave as of now is Indian Curse.
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Album started off slow. Disinterested, barely listening. Then Enemy Prayer came on. Good song. Then I heard Wind Won't Howl. Oh my god. Amazing.
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Music video coming early next week for "For Nothing," according to a press release today.
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I was a bit let down when I first gave this a spin (a whole week after the album came out, cheers EMP...), but with every listen since, i've liked the album more and more. It's now only just behind Blood as my favourite of theirs. Absolutely love 'Invisible Men'.
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Okay, as an album I hate it. As songs, I love it.
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This album is SICK
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Music video coming early next week for "For Nothing," according to a press release today.
Awesome blossom!! Still my second favorite song on the album. Love the vibe.
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I finally got round to getting some OSI. I got Fire Make Thunder.
It's wonderful, 'nuff said. I love it.
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So I'm thinking of starting the survivor up Monday, what do you guys think?
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So I'm thinking of starting the survivor up Monday, what do you guys think?
Sounds good to me. I already know these songs well!
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So I'm thinking of starting the survivor up Monday, what do you guys think?
Id wait a few more Weeks. Poor TL hasn't even received his copy yet.
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So I'm thinking of starting the survivor up Monday, what do you guys think?
Id wait a few more Weeks. Poor TL hasn't even received his copy yet.
That sucks. Reminds me of when I preordered ADTOE and it took forever to get here. I usually just wait and preorder from amazon now.
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Personally, I am more than ready; but I agree on waiting at the very least another week or so. If anything to let the album marinate with the hardcore fans a bit more and to let the less enthusiastic get acquainted.
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No problem I'll give it another week then.
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I'm ready when everyone else is. Monday is good, but another week couldn't hurt. I already know "Invisible Men" is my fav and I doubt that will change, lol.
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Finally got to hear this album! My first impression is very positive, it's already my favorite album after Free! :metal Time will show if it will end up being my #1. There aren't any fillers (Blood has We Come Undone) or moments that make me lose my interest. I only wish Big Chief II was longer, there was so much potential in that song.
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Music video for "For Nothing" is being hosted exclusively here: https://www.ultimate-guitar.tv/misc/osi_-_for_nothing.html
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Wow. That was terrifying... and I loved every second. That might be my favorite song on the album...as odd as that may be; that video might've just been the nail in the proverbial cheesecake. Very interesting and creepily sexy. Really good stuff. This is OSI's first video, is it not? I think I might remember some kind of montage or something being related to a song, so kinda like a video, but never a full motion movie for a song....??
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I thought it was visually impressive, but kind of bizarre. I mean, it's a simple song so I envisioned a simple video with a candle (which was mentioned in the lyrics) and Jim and Kevin playing acoustically. I'm not sure I "get" the mutant creature thing just yet, but I've only watched it twice. I'm happy they did a video though. :)
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Video doesn't load for me. Anyone else having that problem?
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Music video for "For Nothing" is being hosted exclusively here: https://www.ultimate-guitar.tv/misc/osi_-_for_nothing.html
I felt like I was watching a Tool video. It was cool though.
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Wow. That was terrifying... and I loved every second. That might be my favorite song on the album...as odd as that may be; that video might've just been the nail in the proverbial cheesecake. Very interesting and creepily sexy. Really good stuff. This is OSI's first video, is it not? I think I might remember some kind of montage or something being related to a song, so kinda like a video, but never a full motion movie for a song....??
It's not; IIRC, there was one for Free.
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Wow. That was terrifying... and I loved every second. That might be my favorite song on the album...as odd as that may be; that video might've just been the nail in the proverbial cheesecake. Very interesting and creepily sexy. Really good stuff. This is OSI's first video, is it not? I think I might remember some kind of montage or something being related to a song, so kinda like a video, but never a full motion movie for a song....??
It's not; IIRC, there was one for Free.
Horseshoes and B-52's also has a video.
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Are there any others we're forgetting? I know Blood didn't have any videos...or at least I don't think it did. And I don't want to go on YouTube and individually try every song.
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"Horseshoes & B-52s" had a video, as did the song "Free." And now "For Nothing." Just those three for OSI.
Kevin does also have videos for the Chroma Key songs "Camera 4" and "Hell Mary."
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My copy finally showed up today. I'd already heard it since I broke down during the wait and bought it digitally, but it's nice to listen to it on a proper stereo. I definitely like it. Not sure yet how it stacks up against the other albums. I'll have to give it some more spins.
I also received my copy of their debut which I finally got around to buying. Listening through, it occurred to me that there were a few tracks I hadn't really listened to before, so that was a pleasant surprise. It's just such a great album.
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Just a bump but I'm going to start the Fire Make Thunder survivor tomorrow.
I was going to try and do it yesterday but I just got too caught up.
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Sounds good, lets do this shit!! Woot woot!
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Yeeeaaaaahhhh
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First round of Fire Make Thunder is up, go vote!!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=31968.0
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Fire Make Thunder Make Me :metal
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I haven't listened to it enough to rank songs or anything yet but I find the lack of love for Wind Won't Howl disturbing.
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I got bored so I decided to rank all of OSI's songs!
1. Blood
2. Invisible Men
3. ShutDOWN
4. Radiologue
5. Wind Won't Howl
6. Hello, Helicopter!
7. Guards
8. Standby
9. Once
10. Microburst Alert
11. Stockholm
12. Head
13. Cold Call
14. All Gone Now
15. OSI
16. Terminal
17. Big Chief II
18. GO
19. Bigger Wave
20. The Escape Artist
21. Enemy Prayer
22. Be The Hero
23. Free
24. Sure You Will
25. Kicking
26. False Start
27. The New Math
28. Indian Curse
29. Better
30. Simple Life
31. When You're Ready
32. Horseshoes and B-52's
33. Our Town
34. Dirt From A Holy Place
35. For Nothing
36. Memory Daydreams Lapses
37. We Come Undone
38. Home Was Good
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Wow. You even color-coded them, how nice... I really enjoyed my first listen of Blood. It's got an interesting atmosphere to it.
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Still not sure how I'd rank the albums..
1. Fire Make Thunder
2. Blood
3. OSI
4. Free
I guess ::)
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Bump.
How is everyone liking FMT now that it has been out for a little while?
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It's still nice. My favorite tracks are Cold Call, Guards, Enemy Prayer, and Wind Won't Howl. Still don't see the pants-smileing excellence of Invisible Men.
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Fire Make Thunder has held up very well so far. All of OSI`s albums have stood the test of time, and so far, this is no exception.
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Finished listening to all of their albums the other day, this band kicks ass.
On that note, album ranking time.
1: Office Of Strategic Influence
2: Blood
3: Fire Make Thunder
4: Free
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Free
FMT
Blood
S/T
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1. Blood
2. FMT, Free and s/t. Seriously, can't decide. All I know is that Blood is definitely my favorite, which puts me on the same page as Jim Matheos.
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Free
OSI
FMT
Blood
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I still only have FMT, but I think it is a pretty damn brilliant album. I should actually listen to it more than I do, because it's pretty damn good.
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OSI
Free
Fire
Blood
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In order to avoid turning the "reference" thread in the DT side into yet another Kevin Moore thread, I do a full translation of the Finnish OSI article from 2009 here:
Kevin Moore - Music by a hermit
When you turn your back on success, you can try to redeem the possibility to make music more freely. This is what Kevin Moore did fifteen years ago. After going under the radar he has kept the quality high.
A phone is ringing somewhere in Florida. A hand lifts the phone and a voice says shyly: "Kevin." Ever since the beginning one can be sure that one isn't talking to a man hardened and petrified by hundreds of interviews.
The songwriter, vocalist and songwriter, who will turn 42 at the end of May, says he's "a little nervous", not having talked to any outsider about his new brainchild.
The situation could be different. Had Kevin Moore not left the biggest and greatest name in prog metal after Awake album (1994), he would have remained in the spotlight. However, he decided to concentrate on making music on his own terms.
As a result there are three albums by Moore's solo project Chroma Key and as many records done with Fates Warning guitarist Jim Matheos under the name Office of Strategic Influence aka OSI.
Despite the good reception of the albums Moore hasn't performed live. Has he made a decision not to play live shows?
-Not properly speaking, Moore responds. -I recently played one mini gig in Turkey. The main reason has to be that OSI is a small band, or actually a project, under a small record label and there's no backing from a machine with hundreds of thousands of dollars. And to be honest I don't miss performing live that much. I last tried the position of keyboardist in a band with the group On sometime in 2000. I guess it beats working at McDonald's but it doesn't boost your creativity in any way.
Part of the reason for his unwillingness can be found in the beginning of the answer. Moore is known as a person who both gets on well on his own and changes his place of residence effortlessly. Before moving to Florida he lived in Istanbul and before that his home has been in different parts of North America. Neither tours nor regular band rehearsals fit the life of a vagabond.
-There's some of that behind this as well. Making records is quite painless even if the participants live in different parts of the world. But touring demands different arrangements. I'm also not a confident singer. My nervousness is emphasized when I have to sing in front of strangers.
And even if Moore does start playing live on his own, the situation with OSI is a harder one as the other songwriter Matheos lives in the northeastern corner of USA in New Hampshire and the drummer on the new album, Gavin Harrison, in London.
Moore, however, has always worked with respected names in his studio projects. Six years ago Steven Wilson performed guest vocals on the first OSI album. This time Mikael Åkerfeldt of Opeth is featured.
-I was goddamn frightened when I heard the files sent by him. "Is that how a real vocalist sounds like?", Moore laughs.
Åkerfeldt brings pleasant warmth in contrast with Moore's chilly voice, although he also throws in a decent David Bowie imitation on the song Stockholm.
-Mikael was Jim's idea. I wasn't familiar with his works but I couldn't be happier with the result. And of course there must be some variables because Jim and I never change into anything else!
What about the parallel universe where Kevin Moore could live? What if he hadn't departed from Dream Theater after the first three albums?
-I don't regret my decision. Although of course it's terrible for the remaining members to always hear me answer this way. My life changed and I left.
One also has to remember that the leader of Dream Theater, Mike Portnoy, played the drums on the first two OSI albums (2003's OSI and 2006's Free). Moore confirms the talk about an ugly split exaggerated.
-I haven't wished anything bad on any one of them.
After releasing an album the average songwriter sets out to perform their music to audiences. As said, Kevin Moore doesn't work this way. Now he would have time to work on another of his projects. Along with OSI's modern prog, Chroma Key's pasty art pop with atmospheres reminiscent of David Sylvian's early solo works and experiments with electronica has found fans from all over the world.
-It would be Chroma Key's turn now but I don't have any ideas. OSI will continue for sure, Chroma Key is a bit on thin ice.
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Oh shit. I hope he does return to Chroma Key at some point.
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Megamega thanks, it's very nice!
Oh shit. I hope he does return to Chroma Key at some point.
This was three years ago, more recently he mentioned he had some CK ideas, but, knowing Kevin, he might scrap those and do something entirely different.
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I need to get hold of some Chroma Key, but the interview was very interesting, thanks.
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Yes you do. Pronto. It's magical stuff. Might favorite musician might be Kevin Moore. I'm listening to This Is A Recording for the first time and it's so awesome, despite only the last couple songs actually being Chroma Key 'prototype' songs. 'Watercolor' sounds like his first Chrom Key song, and the song 'Chromakey' is fucking sex all throughout; sounds like it could lead into You Go Now.
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Shallow is the shit.
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Yes you do. Pronto. It's magical stuff. Might favorite musician might be Kevin Moore. I'm listening to This Is A Recording for the first time and it's so awesome, despite only the last couple songs actually being Chroma Key 'prototype' songs. 'Watercolor' sounds like his first Chrom Key song, and the song 'Chromakey' is fucking sex all throughout; sounds like it could lead into You Go Now.
I feel like most of those songs are rehearsals for what would come next. Obviously, on the first Chroma Key album, most songs were in the same "mood" as Nora, Blusong or Wednesday The Sky, but then you also had the interesting experiments like Shallow and Hay Day, May Day, Help, which aren't echoed in any of his later stuff, but they're cool. I like those demo songs a lot.
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Yes you do. Pronto. It's magical stuff. Might favorite musician might be Kevin Moore. I'm listening to This Is A Recording for the first time and it's so awesome, despite only the last couple songs actually being Chroma Key 'prototype' songs. 'Watercolor' sounds like his first Chrom Key song, and the song 'Chromakey' is fucking sex all throughout; sounds like it could lead into You Go Now.
Where can I get them, does Amazon sell it?
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Where can I get them, does Amazon sell it?
Nope, the demo is out of print and Kevin said he won't reissue it. So I'm guessing you could youtube them like the rest of us poor fuckers who weren't around for the original release :lol
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the song 'Chromakey' is fucking sex all throughout.
I agree. This song tickles me right where I itch for a Mooregasm.
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I just listened to Chromakey (the song) - wow! :o Too bad it's pretty impossible to find a physical copy of any KM solo release at least here in Finland (except for Graveyard Mountain Home, which I ordered recently). :sadpanda: I would buy Dead Air... and You Go Now in a heartbeat if I came across them.
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I just listened to Chromakey (the song) - wow! :o
...what a niiiiiiiiight just like 3d visiooooon :heart
I would buy Dead Air... and You Go Now in a heartbeat if I came across them.
I think there's You Go Now on Amazon still, and DAFR is nowhere to be found. He really should reissue those two, but I guess the man has different priorities...
This song tickles me right where I itch for a Mooregasm.
As much as I share your opinion, the phrasing disturbs me :rollin
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This was probably discussed when FMT came out, but the beginning of For Nothing reminds me of Graveyard Mountain Home so much, it's so lovely.
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This was probably discussed when FMT came out, but the beginning of For Nothing reminds me of Graveyard Mountain Home so much, it's so lovely.
I totally agree. Kevin played guitar on GMH, so I naturally thought he played the guitar on "For Nothing." But the album notes for Fire Make Thunder say Jim Matheos played all the guitar. So maybe Jim was doing his best Kmo impression on guitar.
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I only just recently picked up Fire Make Thunder. It's growing on me every day.
As much as I love Wind Won't Howl...the guitar lick is almost *too* identical to Radiologue...but since Radiologue is in my top 5 all time OSI songs, I'll give it a pass.
And Invisible Men just blows my door completely off.
This album is like Blood, but a bit more consistent. After really getting into the album I'd have to rank them this way.
Free
Fire Make Thunder
Blood
OSI
(although 2 and 3 are nearly a tie)
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Yeah, it has some nice stuff on there, but to me, the album's pretty forgettable on the whole.
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RANKING TIME!
OSI
Free
FMT
Blood
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Blood
Free
FMT
OSI
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OSI
Blood
Fire Make Thunder
Free
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As much as I love Wind Won't Howl...the guitar lick is almost *too* identical to Radiologue...but since Radiologue is in my top 5 all time OSI songs, I'll give it a pass.
I've noticed the similarity too and Kevin's vocal melodies in the verses remind me of Radiologue as well.
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Wind Won't Howl is awesome and my favorite from FMT
Blood
OSI
Fire Make Thunder
Free
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Ranking the albums and the best song from each:
Blood - Blood
OSI - Shutdown
Fire Make Thunder - Invisible Men
Free - Once
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Ranking the albums and the best song from each:
Blood - Blood
OSI - Shutdown
Fire Make Thunder - Invisible Men
Free - Once
Cool idea
Free - All Gone Now
Fire Make Thunder - Invisible Men
Blood - Radiologue/Stockholm (tie)
OSI - When You're Ready
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Blood - The Escape Artist, Microburst Alert (screw you, I can't decide... might have gotten Radiologue in too)
Free - Go (though Free is their best "fast" song)
FMT - Indian Curse
OSI - Dirt From A Holy Place
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Blood - Terminal(Endless), or Blood
Fire Make Thunder - For Nothing
Free - Go
O.S.I - When Your Ready
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Not doing the best song nonsense.
Blood
FMT
OSI
Free
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Office of Strategic Influence (Best song: "Head")
Free - (Best song: "Our Town")
Blood - (Best song: "Radiologue")
Fire Make Thunder - (Best song: "Invisible Men")
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They've really gone downhill for you, haven't they?
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They've really gone downhill for you, haven't they?
I'm pretty sure that for Mebert it's the nuances that decided on the order. Amirite?
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Blood - Microburst Alert
Fire Make Thunder - Wind Won't Howl
OSI - Shutdown
Free - Sure You Will
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Blood - Microburst Alert
Fire Make Thunder - Wind Won't Howl
OSI - Shutdown
Free - Sure You Will
Hell yeah, Shutdown.
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They've really gone downhill for you, haven't they?
I'm pretty sure that for Mebert it's the nuances that decided on the order. Amirite?
Well, I love the first album. I give it a 9.5/10. I really never give perfect 10s, just because I don't believe in perfection. There's just some real magic there, being the first album at all, and they created such a unique sound with Kevin's voice over progressive metal. And the concept and album packaging -- i love it all! Free is just a hair behind that first album for me, and the only reason for that is because I personally think there are some cheeseball lyrics in spots that don't live up to the first album's lyrical quality, like "Simple Life." I actually listen to Free more than any OSI album though. It's very well-rounded musically. Blood is just a hair behind Free for me. So basically, those three albums are all separate by a hair for me. The new album though is a couple notches down. It just hasn't connected with me yet as much as the previous releases for some reason, although I do think there are some very good songs on it.
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I was underwhelmed by FMT. Not a bad album, but I think it's their weakest.
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Uhm, I'm seeing all these top50 threads in the music forum and I'm wondering... how about the few of us started an OSI top20 thread?
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I think there was some talk about it at some point, but nothing ever happened. I would be interested in following lists and making one myself too!
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I think there was some talk about it at some point, but nothing ever happened. I would be interested in following lists and making one myself too!
Much like that OSI tour huh? :D
I just did some counting and I think it would be plausible, and get more people interested, if it would be a joined CK/OSI top 30, so that way people who focus more on CK would have more CK and people who focus more on OSI would have more OSI etc. Now who do we PM to get a permission for this I wonder... :corn
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I don't think we need any specific permission - there have been loads of top 50/25/20/whatever list threads for many different bands lately. And now that I think about it, a top 25 for Kevin's post-DT projects overall would actually be more interesting than just an OSI list - more dedicated fans (read: fanboys/girls) like me and you could include stuff from both Chroma Key and OSI, and those who only like OSI could stick to their songs.
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When we get around to that, I'll be doing a top 30 myself, 25 is too little :lol
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I'm down for a top-whatever regarding Chroma Key and Moore's solo output. I've had my fill of OSI recently and participated in a top-whatever and a survivor a while back; so I think it'd be better to have them separate. But whatever works best for everyone, I could do both, it'd just be filled mostly with CK/Solo for me with OSI sprinkled here and there. You don't need permission from anyone, it's no different than starting a thread of your own.
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Okay, so who wants to have the honor of the first Go, go go, go go, Go, Go?
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You were the one who brought up this idea, so I guess the honor goes to you. I also think that I could extend my list to top 30 as well.
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*claps* I'll start it tomorrow evening after I get back from my exam.
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Sweet. I'm up for a 30 after ?. I'll be taking my 'top' from all of Moore's music outside of OSI but there's still plenty, especially if I dig into his demos, B-sides and whatnot. Which hopefully I can find...I recently moved so they're all in boxes. Farrrrk. Time to search.
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Sweet. I'm up for a 30 after ?. I'll be taking my 'top' from all of Moore's music outside of OSI but there's still plenty, especially if I dig into his demos, B-sides and whatnot. Which hopefully I can find...I recently moved so they're all in boxes. Farrrrk. Time to search.
I have heard his CK demos and some even might get in but haven't heard the two soundtracks and Memory Hole. MH would be cool to find, I know it was an internet-only album, but I probably won't listen to it before I do this. I'm not a big fan of movie soundtracks so I'm not sure how would I stand with Ghost Book, but I'd definitely like to get Shine, as the title track and the stuff on his Soundcloud is beautiful enough for it to be more than just a soundtrack, but I also have a feeling it will depress me terribly so I'm leery of moving forward :lol
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It's morose in his way, but it's nothing too detrimental. I'd say it's more melancholic than outright depressing; but then again I find some of the darkest music to be the most beautiful and rarely will it actually depress me. I'm excited to do this! I haven't sifted through his collection in a while.
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I already picked 30 songs, now I have to think about the order and that's freaking hard! :-\
I've only heard a couple of the demo songs and nothing off Shine or the other soundtracks, so nothing from those releases will be on my list. As a huge fan of both melancholic and outright depressing stuff I bet I could like Shine though.
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I didn't want to turn the list thread completely off-topic so I'm posting this review here: https://www.rocknworld.com/thrashpit/reviews/09/OSI_-_Blood.shtml
So OSI is nu metal and Kevin is trying too hard to make heavy stuff? :facepalm:
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Wow, that guy's writing style is obnoxious.
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I didn't want to turn the list thread completely off-topic so I'm posting this review here: https://www.rocknworld.com/thrashpit/reviews/09/OSI_-_Blood.shtml
So OSI is nu metal and Kevin is trying too hard to make heavy stuff? :facepalm:
After leaving Dream Theater, Kevin Moore forms Office of Strategic Influence with former band mate Mike Portnoy, who later cans the band after two albums because of Kevin Moore's natural state of being a dick
MIKE DID YOU WRITE THIS :rollin
I have laughed so much today I can't anymore... I just can't, I'm out of breath. Does this guy realize Jim is the one who writes the metal riffs and that he has never touched nu-metal? :lol
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This is almost like the Serbian commentator loving on Andy Murray delicate hands. :censored
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That guy is just one of those purists who think that the combination of clean vocals and chugging downtuned riffs automatically makes any band nu metal (like those who think Katatonia went nu metal on Viva Emptiness - actually I remember some reviewer calling Porcupine Tree nu metal as well :facepalm:). Luckily Kevin hasn't started rapping yet! :lol
What I found especially ridiculous was his comment that OSI should concentrate on the ambient stuff - I mean, we already have Chroma Key and what would Jim do? Obviously there are some guitars on CK albums as well, but I think the whole concept of OSI is based on the mix of Kevin's electronic influences and Jim's heavy riffs.
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What I found especially ridiculous was his comment that OSI should concentrate on the ambient stuff - I mean, we already have Chroma Key and what would Jim do? Obviously there are some guitars on CK albums as well, but I think the whole concept of OSI is based on the mix of Kevin's electronic influences and Jim's heavy riffs.
But he obviously knows what needs to be done better than them and he is too good of a writer and too intuitive to fact-check.
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Yeah, he called Kev Mr. Chroma Key so he has to be someone who knows all and everything
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Yeah, he called Kev Mr. Chroma Key so he has to be someone who knows all and everything
Yeah, especially since he knows that MP and KM were in fact the ones who founded OSI by Inception-like planting the idea into Jim's head to ask both of them to join.
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Jim who?
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Jim who?
(https://www.nndb.com/people/757/000022691/jim1-80.jpg)
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Well, at least he's not the guy who listens to Sepultura and writes nu metal riffs - that would have to be Kevin.
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By the way, recently I revisited Fire Make Thunder (had some hard time listening to anything else but The Gathering for the last couple of months). Such a strong album, definitely my album of 2012.
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:facepalm: What an ignorant cunt, that reviewer.
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Well, at least he's not the guy who listens to Sepultura and writes nu metal riffs - that would have to be Kevin.
Because he is known for writing heavy stuff on his mean 7-string guitar.
(https://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn431/Moriel_Alcaril/Untitled-2.jpg?t=1359127703)
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Another WTF-worthy review (https://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=54171), this time a 5-star one, though.
OSI is basically a good amount of FM nu-metal but with more maturity. Think of Linkin Park but with a soft voice and lots of electronical sounds. Aaah, combinations like those are not well-known and besides them, Riverside also used that recipe of FM and nu- metal.
Linkin Park? ??? I don't find them nearly as bad as people claim (my sister is a fan of them actually!), but they're not the first name that pops to mind when listening to OSI.
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No, they're not.. I'm a big fan of LP but a connection to OSI I did not make. What the fuck is with all these Nu-Metal references? Holy shit. Maybe my understanding of Nu-Metal isn't what I thought originally. I mean, woohoo that he likes it, but his comparisons and understanding of the music OSI creates is so completely off-base; at least in regards to my own, which I thought was pretty extensive. Anyone that considers OSI in the realm of Nu-Metal doesn't get it. I mean...this comment: "Why the kidz are feeding on Simple Plan or Blink 182? Youngers could easily dig in this, this is almost their alley !!!", which made him loose all credibility the moment I read it, not only because it sounds like a trolling dickhead comment, even if it wasn't intended that way, but it also makes no sense in relation to OSI. Fuckin' hell.
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I think too many people believe that every metal band/album to come out after the 90s is nu metal. Also, nu metal Riverside? What is wrong with this guy?
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I mean...this comment: "Why the kidz are feeding on Simple Plan or Blink 182? Youngers could easily dig in this, this is almost their alley !!!", which made him loose all credibility the moment I read it, not only because it sounds like a trolling dickhead comment, even if it wasn't intended that way, but it also makes no sense in relation to OSI. Fuckin' hell.
Exactly! I can't imagine Simple Plan and Blink 182 fans liking Hello Helicopter or Memory Daydreams Lapses.
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I think too many people believe that every metal band/album to come out after the 90s is nu metal. Also, nu metal Riverside? What is wrong with this guy?
Yeah, I forgot to comment on that. This too made him loose all credibility. Overall, ignorant douches shouldn't review such beautiful music that apparently goes way above their tiny heads. "They're holding back" really...are they really? I wonder when this guy decided that he knew each and every member's ultimate potential and worked out exactly how much they were exerting during this album. Unbelievable.
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I didn't want to turn the list thread completely off-topic so I'm posting this review here: https://www.rocknworld.com/thrashpit/reviews/09/OSI_-_Blood.shtml
So OSI is nu metal and Kevin is trying too hard to make heavy stuff? :facepalm:
After leaving Dream Theater, Kevin Moore forms Office of Strategic Influence with former band mate Mike Portnoy, who later cans the band after two albums because of Kevin Moore's natural state of being a dick
Wow, that review doesn't even deserve a comment, but I can't resist. Kevin a dick? At least Kev kept his MP squabbles behind closed doors. MP actually incorporated an OSI chapter in the Lifting Shadows book for everyone to read in which he sliced and diced Kevin in a classless fashion. :tdwn
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I just find most of this funny, and inspiring enough for quick photoshops of MetalKevin :lol
I didn't want to turn the list thread completely off-topic so I'm posting this review here: https://www.rocknworld.com/thrashpit/reviews/09/OSI_-_Blood.shtml
So OSI is nu metal and Kevin is trying too hard to make heavy stuff? :facepalm:
After leaving Dream Theater, Kevin Moore forms Office of Strategic Influence with former band mate Mike Portnoy, who later cans the band after two albums because of Kevin Moore's natural state of being a dick
Wow, that review doesn't even deserve a comment, but I can't resist. Kevin a dick? At least Kev kept his MP squabbles behind closed doors. MP actually incorporated an OSI chapter in the Lifting Shadows book for everyone to read in which he sliced and diced Kevin in a classless fashion. :tdwn
I wonder how many people would feel like that about Kevin had not MP taken an opportunity to slander him everywhere, based on nothing but his resentful feelings. Probably a lot less.
Also, "MP canned OSI"... yeah :rollin
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Also, "MP canned OSI"... yeah :rollin
But you know, it's MP! He can can (lol) bands he's not even an official member of!
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He canned Storm Corrosion as well!
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He canned Storm Corrosion as well!
I'm not sure he would have digged the atmosphere of the album had he been there, actually :biggrin:
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He canned Storm Corrosion as well!
I'm not sure he would have digged the atmosphere of the album had he been there, actually :biggrin:
Oh boy, if he had a problem adapting to KM and JM, imagine him trying to work with SW :rollin
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Well, at least I bet he wasn't like "damn, why did Mikael and Steven not invite me to play on this?!" when he heard the album! :lol I'm glad MP isn't on the album, his playing style wouldn't have fit at all. And to quote Mikael (https://loudwire.com/mikael-akerfeldt-discusses-evolution-of-opeth-new-project-storm-corrosion-more/):
We could have still had Mike come in and play drums, but I think Mike is such a driven guy. I don’t think he would have liked to participate in the end, because anyone can play the ride cymbal. So it’s kind of contradictory to being a drummer like Mike Portnoy to just play the hi-hat, you know. There are some drums on there, but it’s only an effect.
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Imagine his face when he's told he has to play overall 43 seconds of hi-hat in the whole record. And that he cannot do backing growls :lol
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Wow, that review doesn't even deserve a comment, but I can't resist. Kevin a dick? At least Kev kept his MP squabbles behind closed doors. MP actually incorporated an OSI chapter in the Lifting Shadows book for everyone to read in which he sliced and diced Kevin in a classless fashion. :tdwn
Didn't know that. I recall MP saying something like that KM is a bit stubborn and not very easy to work with, but if there is some other stuff on the book, please enlighten me.
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Oh boy, if he had a problem adapting to KM and JM, imagine him trying to work with SW :rollin
Imagine his face when he's told he has to play overall 43 seconds of hi-hat in the whole record. And that he cannot do backing growls :lol
MP said he wasn't too happy with the way Kevin chopped up and messed with his drum parts on the OSI debut, so I can already imagine his face when SW tells him what the drum sound in Hag will be like! :rollin
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I just find most of this funny, and inspiring enough for quick photoshops of MetalKevin :lol
I didn't want to turn the list thread completely off-topic so I'm posting this review here: https://www.rocknworld.com/thrashpit/reviews/09/OSI_-_Blood.shtml (https://www.rocknworld.com/thrashpit/reviews/09/OSI_-_Blood.shtml)
So OSI is nu metal and Kevin is trying too hard to make heavy stuff? :facepalm:
After leaving Dream Theater, Kevin Moore forms Office of Strategic Influence with former band mate Mike Portnoy, who later cans the band after two albums because of Kevin Moore's natural state of being a dick
Wow, that review doesn't even deserve a comment, but I can't resist. Kevin a dick? At least Kev kept his MP squabbles behind closed doors. MP actually incorporated an OSI chapter in the Lifting Shadows book for everyone to read in which he sliced and diced Kevin in a classless fashion. :tdwn
I wonder how many people would feel like that about Kevin had not MP taken an opportunity to slander him everywhere, based on nothing but his resentful feelings. Probably a lot less.
Also, "MP canned OSI"... yeah :rollin
"Slander"? Let's be careful what accusations we're throwing around here.
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Because she was actually going to go after MP in a legal battle.
CHIEF LEAVE NOTHIN'
BEFORE HE DROP
HOCK HIS RHYMES AT THE PAWN IT SHOP
MAIL HIS FEATHERS TO AN ASTRONAUT
SPENT ALL THE CASH ON A CORNER PLOT
SPACEMAN GLAD AT THE DEAL HE GOT
SECOND LINE IN SPACE A LOT
THEM COWBOYS LOVE THEM INDIAN MASKS
AND THEY WRITE IT OFF ON THE TURBO TAX
God damn it that one part in this tune makes it. So fucking :metal and :millahhhh at once.
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Man bite dog 'cause the master dead
and the dog just glad that someone got fed
Man shoot wife 'cause the knife got bent
and the wife take offense to the message that sent
:metal
BTW, TioJorge, you should start working on your list, as mine will be over in a week.
For those who haven't followed my list, here's a link I posted in my writeup for The Escape Artist: https://www.last.fm/user/strwrngpurple/journal/2009/06/14/2sr6cn_review:_osi_-_blood Another review where OSI gets labeled as nu metal! :facepalm:
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I wonder do these people have any ears at all.
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The other thing I wonder is if people understand what nu-metal is.
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Holy crap! I just realized that tomorrow is the 10-year anniversary of the release of OSI's debut album: "Office of Strategic Influence." It was released on Feb. 18, 2003. I still remember the first moment I heard the album. There were no teasers released ahead of time, perhaps to create some additional buzz and curiousity. Looking back, this album is the band's best all-around effort in my opinion. I love the album artwork and packaging, I love the use of samples, I love the band's lineup, I love the concept. It's absolute perfection
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Cool. I believe I got it at Tower Records (RIP) around the time it came out. I like Free better, but the debut is a really good album.
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The debut is still hands-down the best OSI album.
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Holy crap! I just realized that tomorrow is the 10-year anniversary of the release of OSI's debut album: "Office of Strategic Influence."
Cool, maybe I should celebrate and listen to the album in full! Or should there be No Celebrations? :neverusethis:
The debut is still hands-down the best OSI album.
It's actually my least favorite OSI album, as they hadn't found the right balance between the prog metal elements and the electronic stuff yet, probably due to the fact that Kevin wasn't in the writing process right from the start. For a huge KM fan like me there are just too many instrumentals and the role of keyboards isn't strong enough.
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Giving the debut a listen this weekend. Still my favorite OSI album, no doubt.
-Marc.
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I think it's actually my least favorite, but the margin is so tiny and the awesomeness is strong in this one.
Congrats OSI!
Well technically, congrats are due when an album is out, it's not their accomplishment that time passes :lol but I felt like saying this because obviously it hasn't aged for people and that's always a good thing.
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For those who still haven't bought FMT yet, here's a good bargain: at Record Shop X it only costs 6,95€ + shipping: https://www.recordshopx.com/artist/osi/fire_make_thunder/
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I know it's kind of early, but.... any word on a new album yet?
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Nope. Fates Warning is reactivating so Jim will be busy for some time, and judging by a recent FB post Kevin seems to be working on some stuff on his own too, which is a fucking awesome piece of news :metal
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Yeah I wouldn't hold my breath for an OSI release anytime soon. If ever. But Kevin seems to be at least doing something, it's just no one knows yet if its original work, guest work, or something entirely different... Either way it's good news but gawd I hope it's some Chroma Key and/or otherwise solo work.
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Despite its title, "Fire Make Thunder" seemed to have flown under everyone's radar with very little calamity, especially compared to "Blood". Probably 'cause it wasn't really that good, but still...
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Shitty opinion is smelly.
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Despite its title, "Fire Make Thunder" seemed to have flown under everyone's radar with very little calamity, especially compared to "Blood". Probably 'cause it wasn't really that good, but still...
I know I'm going to be flamed for this, but of those two, I can't decide which is worse. Not that they really were *bad* but still...
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Both albums are great, but FMT is a tad more consistent, although Blood includes a lot of excellent individual songs. Free is still my favorite though - that album is absolute perfection.
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For those interested, Beirut-based progressive metal band Amadeus Awad posted a teaser of their upcoming album featuring Kevin guest appearing on keyboards. There's no keyboards in the clip though. This album features Russell Allen of Symphony X on vocals, as you can hear, and a few other prog metal guest musicians. Should be interesting.
Link: https://www.reverbnation.com/amadeusawadseon
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Despite its title, "Fire Make Thunder" seemed to have flown under everyone's radar with very little calamity, especially compared to "Blood". Probably 'cause it wasn't really that good, but still...
I know I'm going to be flamed for this, but of those two, I can't decide which is worse. Not that they really were *bad* but still...
I don't like OSI really at all, so I won't flame you. I do like the idea of them being around, though. Does that make sense?
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It does, and I'd be interested to know why you say so.
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Eh, I like Blood probably because it was my first OSI album. I need to listen to Fire Make Thunder again. Only Big Chief II stuck out as anything memorable. Album never really felt like it had any highs or lows like the first three. It just plodded along in a consistent middle.
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I need to listen to Fire Make Thunder again. Only Big Chief II stuck out as anything memorable. Album never really felt like it had any highs or lows like the first three. It just plodded along in a consistent middle.
I'd call Invisible Men and Wind Won't Howl highs. Blood does have higher highs and lower lows (which are still good) though.
The OSI/KM fanboy in me is sad at all this lack of love for FMT, but maybe it's good to see some critical opinions too.
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The OSI/KM fanboy in me is sad at all this lack of love for FMT, but maybe it's good to see some critical opinions too.
I'm kind of inclined to call FMT the OSI version of You Go Now - has that same sort of weird pacing and open space. But OSI is more about fireworks than Chroma Key, so maybe that was a problem with people. I'd definitely say the album lacked one more song, to carry more weight and introduce even more variety... when an album is all about space, being such a shortie doesn't help it at all. But I like the album a lot.
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The OSI/KM fanboy in me is sad at all this lack of love for FMT, but maybe it's good to see some critical opinions too.
I'm kind of inclined to call FMT the OSI version of You Go Now - has that same sort of weird pacing and open space. But OSI is more about fireworks than Chroma Key, so maybe that was a problem with people. I'd definitely say the album lacked one more song, to carry more weight and introduce even more variety... when an album is all about space, being such a shortie doesn't help it at all. But I like the album a lot.
I find Blood more spacey than FMT, but you might be right. My only gripe with FMT is the shortness of Big Chief II - with more different riff ideas and other stuff it could've been a really awesome song, but now it's just a 3-minute piece based on a single theme and it doesn't have enough time to grow into something bigger.
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Yup. Maybe they'll pull a Spock's Beard and release Big Chief I next time :laugh:
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It was written in the 60s already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Chief ;) (lyrics (https://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/dr_john/big_chief.html))
BTW, someone else has made a sequel to that song too: https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/p/professor_longhair/big_chief_part_2.html :o
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Ah but it's not Big Chief I ;D
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I bet that guy didn't have any idea there would be a sequel, hence the lack of I :D Then again, DT did Metropolis Pt. 1 and didn't expect fans to want a sequel, either! :lol
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Just wanted to state that my 4 year old son's favorite OSI song is "Be The Hero". He was going around the house yesterday singing "Be the hero from coast, to coast, to coast, yeah"
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That's so awesome! :D :tup
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:tup
That song is pretty damned catchy, easily my favorite from that album. I was singing it around the house for a while too, then my wife asked me to stop.
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Interesting to hear that. I made multiple runs through their discography and I have no memory of that song. Will make up for that right away.
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It's on Blood and it's a great song. Love it! Actually gonna listen to it right now.
Yeah.
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heh, my son really likes the "yeah"
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I like the "yeah" too :biggrin:
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After many months I got to reappreciate the greatness of Bigger Wave :heart
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After many months I got to reappreciate the greatness of Bigger Wave :heart
Indeed. Although "Go" is my favorite. :heart
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I would say Bigger Wave is my favourite OSI track. But great songs like Go or Radiologue are right behind it!
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Blood is my favorite OSI song.
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Invisible Men or Head for me.
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After many months I got to reappreciate the greatness of Bigger Wave :heart
One of my top 5 OSI songs. The whole song is just brillant.
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Free is still probably my favorite OSI album.
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I would say Bigger Wave is my favourite OSI track. But great songs like Go or Radiologue are right behind it!
Those three are in my "big 4" of OSI songs along with Invisible Men :heart
Free is still probably my favorite OSI album.
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I would have a hard time deciding one favorite song... this is my top 10, roughly in order
Blood
Memory Daydreams Lapses
Radiologue
Wind Won't Howl
Head
Terminal
Bigger Wave
Simple Life
Stockholm
Standby (Looks Like Rain)
I guess Blood > OSI > Free > FMT based on this top 10
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For those who haven't heard it, here's Fates Warning's demo of Shutdown from the Disconnected reissue (titled It's Over): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixmyR1PfMk It's interesting to hear Ray's vocals, but I personally prefer the final version.
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For those who haven't heard it, here's Fates Warning's demo of Shutdown from the Disconnected reissue (titled It's Over): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixmyR1PfMk It's interesting to hear Ray's vocals, but I personally prefer the final version.
Never heard this! Thanks for sharing. Listening now. :)
Ah, Ray's voice. It always hits the spot. I like it.
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Wonder how would it have sounded if it was properly included in Disconnected. Has the same vibe from that album.
Funny thing is that I have this reissue and never bother to listen to the demos...LOL. Never thought it was the Shutdown demo from OSI
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For those who haven't heard it, here's Fates Warning's demo of Shutdown from the Disconnected reissue (titled It's Over): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixmyR1PfMk It's interesting to hear Ray's vocals, but I personally prefer the final version.
Wow, I never knew this existed. It makes perfect sense, it definitely sounds like something from that would come from Disconnected (and sounds a little out of place on OSI, honestly). Really cool to hear this version with Ray.
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Random post, but I freaking love "Dirt From A Holy Place". Just that slow build-up to the sinister second half. Mmm-mmm.
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I'll second that with a big 'ole broner. Totally reminds me of old-school Castlevania, which is never ever a bad thing and it jumps out at me every time. It's so much of the same feeling to me; dreary yet mysterious, a bit ominous...I always picture a night scene in a misty old castle, or an old ancient tomb. I suppose that part is hinted at in the title a bit, but it really shines through in the music. Definitely one of my favorite tracks from the guys.
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The atmosphere in Dirt From A Holy Place is incredible. Also, it's 3 years guy. If they keep up with the cycle, there should be new one next year if not this xD.
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I'm not sure if there'll be an OSI album next year, or at least in the spring. Kevin has his studies, and I've gotten the impression Jim wants to focus on Fates Warning at the moment.
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Yeah I'm pretty confident the cycle will be broken; I think it'll be a while before we hear anything from Kev. Of course I'd love to be proven wrong!
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I can't believe it's been three years already. FMT still sounds so fresh. I know I'm super biased but I feel like for the uniqueness of OSI they should be Radiohead big or something.
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Couldn't agree more. Sadly that will never happen in a trillion years. But I wish it would.
Also Kev and Jim would be dead from a work overload. :lol
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For those who haven't heard it, here's Fates Warning's demo of Shutdown from the Disconnected reissue (titled It's Over): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixmyR1PfMk It's interesting to hear Ray's vocals, but I personally prefer the final version.
Oh man, that's crazy. Never knew that was a thing. But yeah, the final version is way better. Then again, I'm just a Wilson whore.
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Now that's a T-Shirt to wear at concerts. "I'm just a Wilson whore".
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:lol... If it existed, I would wear it ;D
edit: I forgot to add that I, too, think Dirt From a Holy Place is the shit.
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I'm curious, which 3 songs would you guys pick to show OSI to a person who's not only never heard of them, but isn't even into prog so they wouldn't know about Kevin and Jim's previous work?
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False Start is their most accessible song, IMO. Nice, heavy riffing and a bit more lax on the electronics. After that I'd probably show them something like Terminal or Indian Curse to show off the more subdued side.
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I'd say...
All Gone Now
Head
The Escape Artist
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Sure You Will
Dirt From A Holy Place
Bigger Wave
Those were some of the first few I heard (SYW was the first), but then again I've got a pretty weird start for all the bands I love and usually wouldn't recommend the oddities but I think DFAHP shows their more ecclectic side, SYW is insanely catchy and easy to get into, and BW is both a bit more laid back but still groovy and accessible.
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False Start
Head
Bigger Wave
I think those songs show OSI off perfectly.
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The Escape Artist
Enemy Prayer
False Start
Though I'm not sure if I'd need three songs. OSI's sound is pretty straightforward in that you probably know after one song if they're your cup of tea. Plus I hate taking their songs out of context anyway, they're very much an albums band.
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Yeah, which is why I'd probably just play the first three tracks of the first album, because that hooked the fuck out of me back in the day.
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Wind Won't Howl
Blood
The New Math
Hard to choose
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I would go with:
One slow / ambient track: Terminal, Wind Won't Howl, When You're Ready, Memory Daydreams Lapses...
One heavier track: False Start, Escape Artist, Free...
One typical OSI track: Head, Bigger Wave, Simple Life, Blood...
Out of these my favorite trio would probably be Terminal, False Start, Blood (yeah you can guess which my favorite album is)
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With ProgPower being held this weekend in Atlanta, the thought popped into my head of having a one-time OSI show at Progpower. For whatever reason, a full-on tour hasn't happened, but what about just a single appearance. The venue is indoor, and it would be a good audience for the band. I say they play the debut album Office of Strategic Influence start to finish, because that would be killer. And a movie screen behind them playing stuff like the video from "Horsehoes & B52s." OSI could headline one of the nights, or be the second to last band one night.
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I know it's a song that's pretty divided, but god damn I was just reminded how much I love Memory Daydreams Lapses. Its got such an ominous force to it without the song itself being overly heavy. It's foreboding in its way.
That softly spoken repetitious line of "A loss has occurred or may occur" is haunting. Reminds me of something I'd hear out of a Fallout-centric Tron movie or something. Shits cray. I love it. Anyway, also here to say I miss OSI and while Fire Make Thunder is my least favorite of the guys, I still loved it and listen to it from time to time, but I love their old stuff. Even so, I'd really love if they got back together some day. Here's hoping.
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I know it's a song that's pretty divided, but god damn I was just reminded how much I love Memory Daydreams Lapses. Its got such an ominous force to it without the song itself being overly heavy. It's foreboding in its way.
That softly spoken repetitious line of "A loss has occurred or may occur" is haunting. Reminds me of something I'd hear out of a Fallout-centric Tron movie or something. Shits cray. I love it. Anyway, also here to say I miss OSI and while Fire Make Thunder is my least favorite of the guys, I still loved it and listen to it from time to time, but I love their old stuff. Even so, I'd really love if they got back together some day. Here's hoping.
It's one of my favorite OSI songs, if not #1. I just checked previous posts of mine because I hate being inconsistent (though preferences do evolve over time) and I placed it at #2 a while ago. I am not dissapoint.
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I was listening to most of OSI yesterday and MDL popped up. I loved it before but it was a while since I last listened to it and it seems like I like it even more now. It's such a great song, especially the ending.
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Just spent the last week or so listening to OSI in my car, finished the third album yesterday. I still maintain that their first album is my favorite, I love the harder, more metal-edge that album has, harkening back to the original ideas that Mike and Jim had for the project, though I do enjoy Free and Blood. It's been some time since I've spun FMT, so I'll have to give that a listen sometime soon.
Has there been any news regarding OSI? It seemed like they were on a 3-year pattern, with OSI in 2003, Free in 2006, Blood in 2009, and FMT in 2012, but it's been almost 5 years since they release FMT, so I'm curious if Kevin or Jim have said anything about the band continuing, or if FMT was their last effort together?
-Marc.
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Has there been any news regarding OSI? It seemed like they were on a 3-year pattern, with OSI in 2003, Free in 2006, Blood in 2009, and FMT in 2012, but it's been almost 5 years since they release FMT, so I'm curious if Kevin or Jim have said anything about the band continuing, or if FMT was their last effort together?
-Marc.
Jim addressed OSI's status in some interviews last year for Fates Warning's Theories of Flight album. This is what he said: "Kevin and I are both busy doing other things. I believe Kevin is experimenting and working on some Chroma Key material right now, so who knows... In the future I would love to do it and if it happens that's great, but there are no plans right now. My main focus for at least the rest of this year and probably next year is going to be Fates Warning."
Jim and Kevin work so well together. It would definitely be great to get some new music from them at some point!
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I definitely don't see an OSI album before 2018.
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Yeah, I can't see anything happening soon. Fates Warning may be having a resurgence of sorts, and Kevin hasn't been keeping up with his solo stuff like he was supposed to as it is. I can't wait for them to do another album, though.
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there's also likely another Arch/Matheos album eventually for Jim.
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As much as I like OSI, I'd rather have another Arch/Matheos or Fates Warning album (can't really tell the difference, because in my world Sympathetic Resonance was a Fates Warning album.)
FMT was a big drop in quality. It had about 10 minutes I have enjoyed.
If there's going to be another OSI album, is it imaginable to experiment with a different lead singer ?
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As much as I like OSI, I'd rather have another Arch/Matheos or Fates Warning album (can't really tell the difference, because in my world Sympathetic Resonance was a Fates Warning album.)
FMT was a big drop in quality. It had about 10 minutes I have enjoyed.
If there's going to be another OSI album, is it imaginable to experiment with a different lead singer ?
I would gladly take another Arch/Matheos or Fates Warning album, as the last album from each has been stellar, but I disagree with you on FMT. It's not their best, but I didn't think it was a significant dropoff at all.
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I already knew the answer to this question before I asked it, but I know Mike Portnoy is very anniversary conscious so I thought maybe he'd be inclined to reach out to Jim and Kevin for a 15th anniversary show for OSI's debut album, lol. Oh well. Maybe some day!
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I wonder why they never did any shows. Where there just not enough draw to see an osi show?
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I wonder why they never did any shows. Where there just not enough draw to see an osi show?
I remember when they were doing Blood, there was some Metal Blade "interview" with Jim and Kevin, and they basically said they'd like to do shows, but it has to make sense timing and interest-wise. My guess is, those two things didn't work out. Fates ramped up activity, and Kevin is doing music on the side and I believe (Mebert help me out here) he was pursuing a degree of some sort? Med school? I could be off there. Thought I remembered something like that.
OSI was a cool project. I was fortunate enough to see them do SHUTdown in 2003 as a special treat during Fates Warning's set opening for DT and QR.
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It's a shame, I would've loved to have seen a live show. I wonder if there will ever be another OSI album.
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I recall either Jim or Kevin saying in an interview a while back that OSI's music is the sort that would take a whole lot of work to make happen on stage. While that may be somewhat true, it definitely seemed like it was mostly just the diplomatic way of saying, "Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen."
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:lol
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Kev is now consistently releasing new Chroma Key music through Patreon and all of it is amazing and beautiful. Quite frankly, while I'd love a new OSI album, Kevin doing what he is doing right now is the best thing that could have possibly happened.
But yeah as far as live shows are concerned, I'm not even gonna hope for it. But if it happened one day, I'd try my best to go see that.
If the two aren't making music on their own down the line, I'd absolutely love a new OSI album.
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I paid for that, but I don't think I've been receiving updates.
Is it my imagination or did he take FOR-E-VER to actually release material from the time he made the announcement? I got a demo of the first track or two....but I never heard a thing after that.
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He did take a long ass time, I actually made a few posts ranting about it but since then it's been at least once or more a month (maybe some longer breaks here and there for holidays and such). But he's released about half an album's worth (relatively...still a good bit less than past CK albums) of songs already and is very vocal in updates now.
So I'd check up on that pronto, I've been getting emails regularly.
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I'd be into a CD if it happens.
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Bump
OSI are re-releasing their first two albums on vinyl this summer:
O.S.I., the band formed by Fates Warning guitarist Jim Matheos and former Dream Theater keyboard player and vocalist Kevin Moore, are to have their first two albums released on vinyl for the vest first time.
Debut album Office Of Strategic Influence, which was originally released in 2003, and follow-up Free, released in 2006, will be released on vinyl as well as CD through Metal Blade Records on July 30.
Matheos formed O.S.I. with Moore in 2002. Mike Portnoy was a full-time band member for the debut album and credited as a session musician for the second. Both albums also feature guest appearances from Steven Wilson, late Cynic bassist Sean Malone and Fates Warning and Anthrax bassist Joey Vera.
O.S.I. released their most recent album, Fire Makes Thunder, in 2012. The band have officially been on hiatus since 2013.
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Source: https://www.loudersound.com/news/osi-to-reissue-first-two-albums-on-vinyl-for-the-very-first-time
And here the links for the different versions can be found:
https://www.metalblade.com/us/news/o-s-i-office-of-strategic-influence-and-free-vinyl-and-cd-re-issues-now-available/
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Pre-ordered. Thanks for the bump. It's been a while since I've spun these albums.
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Wonder if this reissue campaign is the start for possibly releasing a new OSI album
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Wonder if this reissue campaign is the start for possibly releasing a new OSI album
I thought Kevin Moore is a doctor now (a very grumpy looking one)... I don't know if you'll have that much time on your hands to make a lot of music on the side if you're a doctor. Then again, I wonder how he even pulled this off , he must have been at it for 11 or 12 years, since med school takes 6 years and becoming a psychiatrist is 5 more years. I am in med school right now and I have no time at all to make music :-\
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preordered the vinyl for the debut which is a classic to me.
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Wonder if this reissue campaign is the start for possibly releasing a new OSI album
I thought Kevin Moore is a doctor now (a very grumpy looking one)... I don't know if you'll have that much time on your hands to make a lot of music on the side if you're a doctor. Then again, I wonder how he even pulled this off , he must have been at it for 11 or 12 years, since med school takes 6 years and becoming a psychiatrist is 5 more years. I am in med school right now and I have no time at all to make music :-\
He was releasing music in Patreon during his studies. And Jim also writes so it’s not like Kevin is responsible for eveything related like in Chroma Key.
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Despite Kevin's approach with Portnoy's drum parts, the debut is a gem that stands the test of time.
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Really cool news about the vinyl. I may pick up the debut. I love that album. Been forever since I spun it. Will put it on now...
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Finally some vinyl! My Blood can get some friends now. :heart
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Am I the only one that thinks Fire Make Thunder is their best album? I love them all but that one is something else.
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Am I the only one that thinks Fire Make Thunder is their best album? I love them all but that one is something else.
My favorite as well. Love Wind Wont Howl.
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I might have to agree, but there is a lot of great material on all of them.
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Am I the only one that thinks Fire Make Thunder is their best album? I love them all but that one is something else.
My favorite as well. Love Wind Wont Howl.
I LOVE all 4 albums, and I even love WWH. But from the first listen I thought it sounded like a Radiologue retread.
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I might have to agree, but there is a lot of great material on all of them.
Absolutely. Love all 4 and when I first heard FMT I was even a little underwhelmed. I thought it lacked a little punch. Then I played it on repeat and realized I loved every song. I think it's the most consistent and also the most moody. Always loved and looked forward to new releases but the lack of anything since that one is tough.
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Despite Kevin's approach with Portnoy's drum parts, the debut is a gem that stands the test of time.
"Despite"? I would say Moore's approach worked largely in the album's favor, as the album became something much more than what was originally intended. Instead of sounding like just another prog rock supergroup record with Portnoy's usual drum style (which is often a good thing, for sure), it sounds pretty unique within the genre. I admittedly had trouble with it at first because it was totally not what I was expecting, but I came around to really liking it, and I think it has held up well.
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Despite Kevin's approach with Portnoy's drum parts, the debut is a gem that stands the test of time.
"Despite"? I would say Moore's approach worked largely in the album's favor, as the album became something much more than what was originally intended. Instead of sounding like just another prog rock supergroup record with Portnoy's usual drum style (which is often a good thing, for sure), it sounds pretty unique within the genre. I admittedly had trouble with it at first because it was totally not what I was expecting, but I came around to really liking it, and I think it has held up well.
I couldn't of said it better myself. I know MP wasn't happy with the results but had those drums not been altered it just would've been like every other project MP has been a part of from the perspective of the drums. The editing brought MPs drums to life in a way that MP would've never have done left to his own devices.
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Free is my fave but FMT is my number 2. I always thought it needed one more song but in the past few years I started to appreciate how compact it was.
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OSI’s debut sounded very fresh and original when it was released. I loved the contrast with the songwriting between Jim and Kevin. It really blends very well.
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I hadn't heard FREE before, so I checked it out over the last two days. What a weird album. At times it sounds like 00s Porcupine Tree, sometimes there's an industrial vibe to it, sometimes it's alternative or poppy. Combined with MP's restrained but still awesome drumming. Great production. Weird album, but somehow I like it.
I haven't heard the debut in like 10 years (or more), so I have almost no memory of it. Will check it out (again) soon.
I also don't know the band's third and fourth albums. But I am a huge Gavin Harrison fanboy, so I will listen to them soon as well.
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I hadn't heard FREE before, so I checked it out over the last two days. What a weird album. At times it sounds like 00s Porcupine Tree, sometimes there's an industrial vibe to it, sometimes it's alternative or poppy. Combined with MP's restrained but still awesome drumming. Great production. Weird album, but somehow I like it.
I haven't heard the debut in like 10 years (or more), so I have almost no memory of it. Will check it out (again) soon.
I also don't know the band's third and fourth albums. But I am a huge Gavin Harrison fanboy, so I will listen to them soon as well.
you'll love Blood and Fire Make Thunder, I do too. Gav makes a massive difference. OSI and Free are dull and bland in comparison (largely good writing on OSI and Free though I guess), I much prefer the production of Blood and Fire Make Thunder over that on OSI and Free too. (more easily listenable, at least for me)
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Anyone here a ChromaKey Patreon supporter?
Been doing a deep dive on OSI this week (love, love, love all 4 albums), and then I noticed Kev's on Patreon.
If anyone here is a supporter, I'd love to hear your take on the value. $10 per release seems a bit steep, but maybe there's something I'm missing?
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Anyone here a ChromaKey Patreon supporter?
Been doing a deep dive on OSI this week (love, love, love all 4 albums), and then I noticed Kev's on Patreon.
If anyone here is a supporter, I'd love to hear your take on the value. $10 per release seems a bit steep, but maybe there's something I'm missing?
It's a subscription service. So you subscribe for $10 and get access to all they offer. In this case of Chroma Key, it gives you access to all his demos he has been releasing. And right now, it is way worth it for the amount of demos he has released.
You can pay more for some exclusive access stuff, like instrumental demos, demo previews, and even stem tracks.
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Anyone here a ChromaKey Patreon supporter?
Been doing a deep dive on OSI this week (love, love, love all 4 albums), and then I noticed Kev's on Patreon.
If anyone here is a supporter, I'd love to hear your take on the value. $10 per release seems a bit steep, but maybe there's something I'm missing?
It's a subscription service. So you subscribe for $10 and get access to all they offer. In this case of Chroma Key, it gives you access to all his demos he has been releasing. And right now, it is way worth it for the amount of demos he has released.
You can pay more for some exclusive access stuff, like instrumental demos, demo previews, and even stem tracks.
I get that, but I suppose what I want to know is how often do I pay $10...once a month, once a year? It doesn't clearly say.
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Anyone here a ChromaKey Patreon supporter?
Been doing a deep dive on OSI this week (love, love, love all 4 albums), and then I noticed Kev's on Patreon.
If anyone here is a supporter, I'd love to hear your take on the value. $10 per release seems a bit steep, but maybe there's something I'm missing?
It's a subscription service. So you subscribe for $10 and get access to all they offer. In this case of Chroma Key, it gives you access to all his demos he has been releasing. And right now, it is way worth it for the amount of demos he has released.
You can pay more for some exclusive access stuff, like instrumental demos, demo previews, and even stem tracks.
I get that, but I suppose what I want to know is how often do I pay $10...once a month, once a year? It doesn't clearly say.
He does it per song....
But you're very generous if you're paying $10.
To get a simple download if the demos, it's only $3.
And that is the one charge, and if he decides to release more down the line, each one will charge $3 to your account. Only when he releases a song, will you be charged.
That $3 also, give you access to that back log, with no additional charge. Which is the beauty of it all.
I joined when he was starting and had like 6 demos out. Then I cancelled the subscription because I lost my bank card and he wasn't releasing much at that time, so I just forgot about it. I remembered about it, and joined for $5 this time, and was able to download all the songs I missed by the time I remembered.
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Anyone here a ChromaKey Patreon supporter?
Been doing a deep dive on OSI this week (love, love, love all 4 albums), and then I noticed Kev's on Patreon.
If anyone here is a supporter, I'd love to hear your take on the value. $10 per release seems a bit steep, but maybe there's something I'm missing?
It's a subscription service. So you subscribe for $10 and get access to all they offer. In this case of Chroma Key, it gives you access to all his demos he has been releasing. And right now, it is way worth it for the amount of demos he has released.
You can pay more for some exclusive access stuff, like instrumental demos, demo previews, and even stem tracks.
I get that, but I suppose what I want to know is how often do I pay $10...once a month, once a year? It doesn't clearly say.
He does it per song....
But you're very generous if you're paying $10.
To get a simple download if the demos, it's only $3.
And that is the one charge, and if he decides to release more down the line, each one will charge $3 to your account. Only when he releases a song, will you be charged.
That $3 also, give you access to that back log, with no additional charge. Which is the beauty of it all.
I joined when he was starting and had like 6 demos out. Then I cancelled the subscription because I lost my bank card and he wasn't releasing much at that time, so I just forgot about it. I remembered about it, and joined for $5 this time, and was able to download all the songs I missed by the time I remembered.
Gotcha—thanks for the info my man!
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I'm a patron as well, joined at the beginning and after a few years had a large lapse for exactly the same reason as Ben. It's been fun seeing what I missed when I rejoined recently, hopefully there's more where all of that came from :corn
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I'm on the $5 tier which gets you the demo and a bonus track as well.
for those interested:
$3
Downloads of each demo release (high quality mp3, Apple Lossless and FLAC)
Thank You List - your name embedded in the digital downloads
$5
All the $3 rewards, plus:
Bonus track included with each new song release (ex. an instrumental mix, remix, or something unreleased)
$10
All the $5 rewards, plus:
Detailed Production Notes
Audio Stems - for remixing or just listening to individual tracks
Special Thanks - your name featured in the thank you lists
https://www.patreon.com/chromakey
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I actually found a CD copy of Ghost Book at a Half Price Books for the other day in the clearance section for $2, lol.
I'll probably make a video on YouTube showing it and some other stuff I picked up recently. The truth be, I probably only listened to it originally 2 or 3 times, but for $2? why not.
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I'm in the 10 tier, I don't use the stems but I want to archive all that stuff and have it just in case. Life is long, maybe I decide to learn how to make music someday.
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I didn't see it in this thread when it was announced but I did see the 15th anniversary reissue of Free today and picked it up. Really nice to have the bonus tracks.
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I didn't see it in this thread when it was announced but I did see the 15th anniversary reissue of Free today and picked it up. Really nice to have the bonus tracks.
Didn't know about this. Is it on CD?
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I didn't see it in this thread when it was announced but I did see the 15th anniversary reissue of Free today and picked it up. Really nice to have the bonus tracks.
Didn't know about this. Is it on CD?
https://burningshed.com/store/osi/osi_free_2cd
Looks like it!
-Marc.
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I didn't see it in this thread when it was announced but I did see the 15th anniversary reissue of Free today and picked it up. Really nice to have the bonus tracks.
Didn't know about this. Is it on CD?
https://burningshed.com/store/osi/osi_free_2cd
Looks like it!
-Marc.
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Thanks!
So everything on the original 2CD set plus The Free EP. Looks like a straight repackage. Got excited there for a second.
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Sorry to get your hopes up, man. I never even knew there was a 2cd set way back then, so all these bonus tracks were new to me. Looks like it's just being released on Metal Blade now instead of Inside Out like my original copy.
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Listened to Blood today after quite a few years. Damn, this album is still so damn good.
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I really like Blood, I think it's my favorite OSI record. Getting Gavin to play on was the perfect choice.
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Sorry to get your hopes up, man. I never even knew there was a 2cd set way back then, so all these bonus tracks were new to me. Looks like it's just being released on Metal Blade now instead of Inside Out like my original copy.
No worries.
Should have known it was too good to be true. Ha Ha! It's awesome you that you got some new tunes that you haven't heard before.
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Bump.
Pulled the debut off the shelf last night. Brilliant album that holds up really well with the passing of time. The combo of talent on this is superb.
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I haven't listened to any OSI in a long time.
Might need to rectify that.
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Bump.
Pulled the debut off the shelf last night. Brilliant album that holds up really well with the passing of time. The combo of talent on this is superb.
LOL. I listened to this one last night brother! :lol
It's a brilliant album although I tend to gravitate towards the heavier and latter releases.
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Bump.
Pulled the debut off the shelf last night. Brilliant album that holds up really well with the passing of time. The combo of talent on this is superb.
LOL. I listened to this one last night brother! :lol
It's a brilliant album although I tend to gravitate towards the heavier and latter releases.
No way! Haha.
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I love the first two albums. Blood is really good too. I'll have to run through this discography. Been awhile!
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The debut is actually my least favorite. It’s still amazing. But Free is their masterpiece IMO.
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The debut is actually my least favorite. It’s still amazing. But Free is their masterpiece IMO.
Agreed!
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The debut is actually my least favorite. It’s still amazing. But Free is their masterpiece IMO.
I can't disagree about Free.
I also just found out that Blood was re-released on vinyl earlier this year! Yoink!
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I can disagree about Free. :D Good record but still their weakest imo.
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I liked Free but not as much as the debut and not enough to keep on following their subsequent releases.
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Listened to all 3 over the weekend and the debut is easily my favorite.
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Listened to all 3 over the weekend and the debut is easily my favorite.
If you skipped Fire Make Thunder I highly suggest you give it a listen..."Invisible Men" might be the best thing (IMO) Kevin Moore has ever played on (and yes, that includes DT).
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Listened to all 3 over the weekend and the debut is easily my favorite.
If you skipped Fire Make Thunder I highly suggest you give it a listen..."Invisible Men" might be the best thing (IMO) Kevin Moore has ever played on (and yes, that includes DT).
I have not but will do so. The one song that really stuck out for me after the trifecta of listening was shutDOWN. What a great riff!
Thanks
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Listened to all 3 over the weekend and the debut is easily my favorite.
All three what? OSI have four studio albums and an EP, IIRC.
-Marc.
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Fire Make Thunder is my favorite OSI record. Wind Won't Howl is my favorite OSI song.
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Only four albums, no EP
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There was that re:free thing with some remixes. Wasn't that released as an EP?
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There was that re:free thing with some remixes. Wasn't that released as an EP?
Yes, it was.
https://www.discogs.com/release/2602293-OSI-Re-Free
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There was that re:free thing with some remixes. Wasn't that released as an EP?
Yes, it was.
https://www.discogs.com/release/2602293-OSI-Re-Free
Thank you for posting that. I was gonna say, I know for certain that OSI had an EP following the release of Free, and I even own it, so I've got five discs from OSI. A shame they haven't done anything since 2012. I guess with Kevin's career change, the band is effectively on permanent hiatus. It was a good run while it lasted, though!
-Marc.
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I had no idea. I will have to search that out
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I had no idea. I will have to search that out
The Metal Blade 2021 reissue has the EP included.
https://www.discogs.com/release/19742107-OSI-Free
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I had no idea. I will have to search that out
The Metal Blade 2021 reissue has the EP included.
https://www.discogs.com/release/19742107-OSI-Free
And Laser CD happens to have the 2CD re-issue still in stock! - https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?f[0]=cp_artist1:827
-Marc.
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Don't have a problem with any of them though it's been about six months since I listened to one.
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Listened to Fire Make Thunder last night and you guys are right. This is on a whole different level than the other albums. I will be ordering this today. Fantastic album.
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Hopefully the 1-2$ they receive as a royalty from your purchase reminds them that this was a thing and ignites their curiosity to make another one :D
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Listened to Fire Make Thunder last night and you guys are right. This is on a whole different level than the other albums. I will be ordering this today. Fantastic album.
I'm really happy you gave it a shot.
I think it is such a shame the project was shelved, especially since it was essentially a 'by email' band. I realize that Kev decided to go legit and get his PhD on, but I still have hope that OSI v.5 will arrive someday soon.
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I really like FMT, but of all their albums, it felt the most like a retread of the previous album. In fact, doesn’t Wind Won’t Howl have an identical guitar line as Radiologue?
Still a great album. And The Invisible Man makes up for any faults of the rest of the album. That song’s incredible!!! What a master stroke to end your band on.
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I love all OSI albums, but I personally felt like the albums got a teeny tiny bit weaker with each release. To me, the debut album was the best, then Free, then Blood, then Fire Make Thunder. The debut album is pure magic, in my opinion. I remember quietly sitting in my local public library when the album came out and not knowing what to expect as I hit play. I don't believe they had released any teasers or anything, so we all went in blind as to what it would sound like. But the thought of Kevin's voice over progressive metal had me pumped and intrigued -- and the album didn't disappoint. Also, the album's passport-themed packaging was so unique and special. Everything about that album was super cool. I love the debut album so much that it's #6 on my list of all-time favorite albums. On FMT, I kinda felt like the well had run dry a bit and the songs were not as strong as the previous releases -- except for "Invisible Men." Anyway, I hope Jim and Kevin collaborate on something again one day. But even moreso, I hope Kevin and Petrucci collaborate on something again one day -- even if it's just one song of a future Petrucci solo disc or one song on a future Chroma Key release. Before Petrucci and Myung met Portnoy, it was the connection between Petrucci and Moore that laid the foundations for the birth of progressive metal as we know it. (And Myung, of course, although he was less of a "songwriter" compared to JP and KM.) I would cut off my pinky finger for Petrucci and Moore to work on something together again. Just one song. Acoustic guitar and a piano. That's all I need.
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Yes, they have a very unique sound and I enjoy the way Kevin lets the songs breathe a bit.
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Could be coping, but Metal Blade reuploaded Jim's guitar playthrough of False Start a month ago. I think that video was uploaded years ago originally. Maybe they're teasing, hopefully!
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Could be coping, but Metal Blade reuploaded Jim's guitar playthrough of False Start a month ago. I think that video was uploaded years ago originally. Maybe they're teasing, hopefully!
We can only hope!
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I love all OSI albums, but I personally felt like the albums got a teeny tiny bit weaker with each release. To me, the debut album was the best, then Free, then Blood, then Fire Make Thunder. The debut album is pure magic, in my opinion. I remember quietly sitting in my local public library when the album came out and not knowing what to expect as I hit play. I don't believe they had released any teasers or anything, so we all went in blind as to what it would sound like. But the thought of Kevin's voice over progressive metal had me pumped and intrigued -- and the album didn't disappoint. Also, the album's passport-themed packaging was so unique and special. Everything about that album was super cool.
Agreed. The first album was really special.
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Slight fixing of the thread title.