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The thread Phoenix87x started about marriage experiences made me start to wonder about this. I know it isn't a very serious topic but I'm still curious. It's a pretty safe bet that most people here are passionate about music, Dream Theater or otherwise.
If you're married or in a relationship does your significant other share your general taste in music? If they don't, do you wish they did?
If you're single, is sharing similar tastes and/or enthusiasm a factor you think about in a potential partner?
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No. Nobody in my family nor my girlfriend share my musical taste. My brother likes DT and some metal bands though.
Hmmmm.. if my girlfriend liked the same kind of music as I do, it would certainly be better and it would bring us closer. Music is also a language, an experience, a state of mind, etc, and when you and share it with your significant other it is like you speak the same language, in a way.. I mean, you know that feeling when you like something really special and unknown and you finally find someone who loves it as much as you do? It feels like you found a companion to share your love for music.
I don't think musical taste is an essential factor when looking for a partner, but it is certainly something that I take into consideration. The kind of music you like also says something about your personality, about who you are. Of course other factors are extremely more relevant than musical taste and I think it would be silly to not want to be with somebody or get involved simply because they don't share your musical taste. It's not essential, it is a bonus.
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Yes. The wife loves the music I listen to, (many forum members have met her) and she loves fine beer and she loves the NFL and NHL.
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My ex fiance had an almost identical taste in music. Even stuff she never heard of that I liked, she would get into, with the exception of rap/hip hop. (which now makes sense in hindsight, since she was a racist). Just her knee jerk revulsion when she heard the Hip/hop radiostation that I happened to have on before she got in the car. "what is this garbage" I will never forget. I never said that about any of the music she liked.
During the first year of our relationship, I would email her one new song every single night. And then she would tell me what she thought the next day.
Music is my life. I wouldn't start a relationship with someone who didn't share that love and I've always flirted by making mixtapes and gauging reactions. If they liked it, I found that attractive and make the next step.
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There is some crossover between my taste in music and my wife's taste, but not a lot. She's not nearly as passionate about music as I am, and she actively dislikes most of my favorite bands/artists.
My son was initially into some of the music I like. I took him to see Rush when he turned 10, and his walk-up song when he played baseball one season was Iron Maiden's Aces High. However, he's recently gone over to the dark side of rap/hip-hop.
My daughter plays flute in her middle school band (both regular band and jazz band). She likes classical and some jazz music. I like lots of classical and some jazz, but I don't spend a lot of time listening to either. I don't think her taste in popular or rock music is well-defined at this point, but I know she regularly listens to music. I'll often ask her, "what are you listening to?" but she often responds with, "someone's playlist" and doesn't know the artists' names. I did, however, catch her listening to and enjoying Led Zeppelin a couple weeks ago, so there's hope! :biggrin:
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Not in the slightest. She could barely name 5 bands I listen to regularly.
My personal opinion is that some of the comments here are putting a little too much emphasis on musical tastes.
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My wife DID when we first got married, but she changed over the course of our marriage. She rarely listens to our shared musical tastes now, and I don't like it. Yea it was important to me that we shared musical tastes, but we share other things like TV shows, so it's not a big deal I guess. Though I still wish I had a partner to rock out with.
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Not one bit... some of them have openly mocked my taste for many years. Hell not even any of my local friends have my taste at all, except for one buddy who likes the stuff I've shown him over the years, he's pretty cool. Another guy pretends to like the stuff or pretends to have heard of the bands but I know he's full of it
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That's a hard no.
It doesn't matter to me what kind of enthusiasm a potential girlfriend would have for any kind of band unless it's country. I'm kind of embarrassed but kind of not to say that if she blared country all the time, I couldn't stand it. Hearing that shit legitimately puts me in a bad mood. Other than that, I'm pretty sure I could stand most anything. Granted, I don't blare my shit when I know someone else doesn't like it so I'd kind of expect the same, but if we have a back and forth of "your music then my music", that'd be cool.
My family knows of my enthusiasm but that's about it; they're more or less indifferent to it. My dad did come with me to see a Steven Wilson show in Cali one time though (and I met Jackie there! Miss Jackiiiieeeee! :heart) and he said he really liked most of the music. I'm pretty sure he lost his shit when No Twilight Within The Courts Of The Sun came on though and probably left to go to the bar around that time. :lol Also when I was very young, and my sisters even younger (I think I was 16, my sisters were a toddler and a kid), they did this cute little ballet-ish dance number to Pull Me Under. It was cute because it was so horribly out of sync and insane, as you can imagine. I mean it's Pull Me Under. :rollin
I dunno how this turned into George's nostalgia time but uh... :tup :tup
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Been in a relationship for 7 years, and at first what brought us together was our shared interest specially in music. We didn’t listen to the same bands but we both learned to appreciate what the other person likes(I became a coheed and Cambria fan because of her). Now days we still share a lot of similar interests, even outside of music, but some of them have also gone separate ways. She still listens to rock/hard rock while I leaned more towards progressive and metal.
For our first date as a couple, 7 years ago, we went to a Disturbed/Korn concert.
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Outside of Disney songs, not really
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Nope, she hardly likes any of the same music as me. It would be awesome if she'd go to concerts and stuff with me, but it's really not a big deal.
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My brother is more into metalcore than I am, we grew up listening to the same stuff though. When I'm at my family's house I can blast my music without anyone getting annoyed (or maybe just too polite to mention it). Sometimes my bro even asks for track IDs if he likes the songs, and I've brought him to a couple concerts and festivals the past few years, so in a way we do share the same taste.
I haven't had longterm relationships but I cannot imagine it being super important to me, sometimes I listen to music and think "I have to share this with X" but then when we meet there's just more interesting shit to talk about than music, I reserve those convos for my music-nerd friends of which there are plenty at school.
I think all girls I dated we could at least figure out something we both enjoy, I like to think I'm very tolerant when it comes to different types of music. Of course I won't show them BTBAM or something, but I can proudly admit I turned one girl into a new Mars Volta fan last week. :metal
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I don't look for a fellow metal/prog lover in dating. My musical passion is my own, I don't need to share it to define it, and it's something that makes me me. As to family, my bro shares pretty much my taste, and we have our own clique of friends, so we got that to bond over.
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That's a hard no.
It doesn't matter to me what kind of enthusiasm a potential girlfriend would have for any kind of band unless it's country. I'm kind of embarrassed but kind of not to say that if she blared country all the time, I couldn't stand it. Hearing that shit legitimately puts me in a bad mood. Other than that, I'm pretty sure I could stand most anything. Granted, I don't blare my shit when I know someone else doesn't like it so I'd kind of expect the same, but if we have a back and forth of "your music then my music", that'd be cool.
Oh I totally forgot about the country music thing, lol. I can't do it either, as with me as well It puts me in a bad mood.
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That's a hard no.
This for me. It's not that she doesn't like *my* music, she just doesn't have a passion for music in general. jingle.daughter does, but it's Top 40 shit. She does like the odd thing that I do, but it's few and far between. jingle.son is like his mom - apathetic at best.
I don't look for a fellow metal/prog lover in dating. My musical passion is my own, I don't need to share it to define it, and it's something that makes me me.
I concur. It's not necessary, but it would be a cool thing to share and discuss with mrs.jingle. I'm totally fine with it being 'my' thing.
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the only band my wife and I hear ear to ear on is Anathema.
She did humor me a few years back and went to see Dream Theater with me.
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The five stages of dating a progressive rock geek:
1. Oh wow! I love music too!
2. Wow, your library is huge!
3. I really liked that ballad by that one band.
4. Boy...you sure are into music.
5. Your music gives me a headache.
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The five stages of dating a progressive rock geek:
1. Oh wow! I love music too!
2. Wow, your library is huge!
3. I really liked that ballad by that one band.
4. Boy...you sure are into music.
5. Your music gives me a headache.
Ohhh, I must be ahead of the game. All the girls I meet just skip right to number 5.
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3.5. "Does this song ever end?"
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3.5. "Does this song ever end?"
Permanently adding! :lol :rollin
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Classics are:
This is just noise! How can you listen to that?
When does the song start?
Is there no vocals?
and of course the already mentioned Does this song never end?
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Man you guys suck at finding the right girl!😁
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Neither my wife nor my kids share my taste in music. There are some common ground but not much.
I share my music and go to concerts with my friends.
My wife and I share other cultural interests. We go to the theater, the Opera and to se Musicals and dance performances. We also go to museums.
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My wife loves music, but in an extremely casual sort of way. She enjoys pop, or whatever is on the radio.
She loves Queen, and Freddie Mercury, and Lady Gaga.
She has no interest in following music whatsoever.
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My wife loves music, but in an extremely casual sort of way. She enjoys pop, or whatever is on the radio.
She loves Queen, and Freddie Mercury, and Lady Gaga.
She has no interest in following music whatsoever.
But she does indulge you going to the bands you like once in a while.
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My wife loves music, but in an extremely casual sort of way. She enjoys pop, or whatever is on the radio.
She loves Queen, and Freddie Mercury, and Lady Gaga.
She has no interest in following music whatsoever.
But she does indulge you going to the bands you like once in a while.
Yeah, and I'm glad when she does.
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No doubt. I love thst Lisa loves music. She's met many on this board and loved meeting them.
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I guess I'll be one of the few to say "yes." Music is something we share, and I think it's awesome. I do agree that it's not essential and from this thread alone there are plenty of great relationships that don't have this in common. For mine? Would we be together if we didn't share this, but everything else about our personalities was the same? I don't know; we wouldn't have met in the first place (because we met at a show). I guess one of us would have our eye glazing over all the time when the other talked about music, shows, etc... It's a great thing to share; and we certainly spent countless hours talking about "what really happened" when MP left DT...
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Mother - pianist and got amused by dream theater, played some with her, like part of dance of eternity
Sister - pianist, played a little with her recently
Brother - played some keyboards
Father - music enthusiast
We all share love for music and are very eclectic
Wife - drummer and bassist
I could write a book about how perfect she is a match for me, even without music.
She is more of a pop punk fan, but she enjoys metal and went to venues more metal than me :)
We played loads of songs together, have a family band with both sisters and even played at our wedding !
I hope our future daughter will be a music enthusiast too :)
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Wife - no. Doesn't bother me day to day but I do have pangs of envy at a gig when I see partners dolled up in their metal gear and enjoying the same concert.
Sister - very much so because she was brought up right by her older brother :metal :) So the gigs are our "thing" which is nice.
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Not even close. I do like some of her music though, she just isn't very passionate about music to begin with. It's totally fine though, when in the car for example we listen to what we both like and that works.
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever even met, let alone date, a woman who liked 50% of the music I liked. That's fine with me .
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i forgot to mention that my dad was a huge music fan. He loved Buddy Holly & the Crickets and The Ventures. He played a 1962 fender Strat.
My mom loved Patsy Kline and Roy Orbison.
My brother is a bass player and while I influenced him, he set on his own course musically. He loves Motown, funk as well as rock and prog rock.
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Not in the slightest. She could barely name 5 bands I listen to regularly.
My personal opinion is that some of the comments here are putting a little too much emphasis on musical tastes.
I must've married Cool Chris's wife's sister.
For me, though, it's really two different questions. You can have "enthusiasm" for music, and not like the same kind of music. My wife does have an enthusiasm for music, just not Kiss and Night Ranger. Hahaha. I note that her enthusiasm is expressed differently. I'm the completist, I need every song that Genesis put out, even that green Flexi-disk of Firth of Fifth Live from 1982 that has never been officially released on CD... she's content with Keith Urban's catalogue on Spotify or Rhapsody or some such shit. For us, it's the enthusiasm - and thus mutual respect - for the music that's important. Franky, I kind of LIKE going to concerts myself. I get to watch what I want, I get to move closer if I want (or, like at Schenker last week, move back and mingle). I get to hang after the show (and I got to meet Gary Barden, Billy Squier and Dr. Allen Sloan that way) and I get to experience it the way I want to experience it.
It's not the place, so I'll tone it down, but this notion of "musical taste" as something tangible, or worse yet, quantifiable, is nauseating to me. I have four kids now, and for me, all I care about is that they like SOMETHING. Whether it's Lil' Wayne, or One Direction, or Iron Maiden, it's not the point. That I like Dream Theater or Neal Morse doesn't make me any better than someone that likes Cardi B or Migos.
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Nope. Wife likes some of the more commercial oriented metal (Godsmack, Metallica, Rob Zombie) and Rammstein. But that's all - she likes a lot of 80's pop and rock, hairbands and country music. Parents prefer their classic rock (which I also love), though I have taken them to see a local metal band that I'm a fan of (the guitarist is a guy my dad knew from work). I exposed my brother to some metal while growing up and he likes some, but certainly not to the extent that I do. So we all share a love for music, but I'm the only serious metalhead.
My daughter is nearly 3 and would rather listen to nursery rhymes than "daddy's music," though I have gotten her to dance around to Nightwish and Amaranthe. I have plenty of time to expose my kids to metal.
I don't mind it - it gives me something that is "mine" in the family, and I can get out of the house on occasion for concerts.
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My wife of 30 years loves music, but only a very specific type: classical music. And within that small confine it's even narrower yet: only the major composers and their popular works (Beethoven/Mozart/Tchaikovsky and a handful of others). Luckily, I enjoy these too and we make trips every year to Lincoln Center for the NY Phil and Tanglewood in the summers for the Boston Symph. I tried expanding her scope with composers outside of the classical era, like Bach and Sibelius, but that was a no go.
I've taken her to a handful of rock shows like Yes/Rush/DT, but none of it really caught on with her. Oh well.
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Nope.
She had a Pink Floyd tattoo on her arm.... but that's the only musical interest she and I share. She has gone to see DT with me, but won't go to other prog bands.
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We met through the love of music. We share similar tastes overall. Intelligent hard rock/metal. She had slightly heavier taste when we first met, now it's pretty much even. Some differences to be sure, but genre-wise, pretty identical.
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My uncle and cousins were the ones who got me in to DT. Other than that, not so much.
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Not in the slightest. She could barely name 5 bands I listen to regularly.
My personal opinion is that some of the comments here are putting a little too much emphasis on musical tastes.
I must've married Cool Chris's wife's sister.
For me, though, it's really two different questions. You can have "enthusiasm" for music, and not like the same kind of music. My wife does have an enthusiasm for music, just not Kiss and Night Ranger. Hahaha. I note that her enthusiasm is expressed differently. I'm the completist, I need every song that Genesis put out, even that green Flexi-disk of Firth of Fifth Live from 1982 that has never been officially released on CD... she's content with Keith Urban's catalogue on Spotify or Rhapsody or some such shit. For us, it's the enthusiasm - and thus mutual respect - for the music that's important. Franky, I kind of LIKE going to concerts myself. I get to watch what I want, I get to move closer if I want (or, like at Schenker last week, move back and mingle). I get to hang after the show (and I got to meet Gary Barden, Billy Squier and Dr. Allen Sloan that way) and I get to experience it the way I want to experience it.
It's not the place, so I'll tone it down, but this notion of "musical taste" as something tangible, or worse yet, quantifiable, is nauseating to me. I have four kids now, and for me, all I care about is that they like SOMETHING. Whether it's Lil' Wayne, or One Direction, or Iron Maiden, it's not the point. That I like Dream Theater or Neal Morse doesn't make me any better than someone that likes Cardi B or Migos.
I'm not getting that from this thread at all. People aren't saying that they're better than their spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends. Some are saying that it would just be cool to be able to share the music they're passionate about (while others are enjoying it being just their thing).
There's nothing wrong with wishing you could share something that means a lot to you with the people closest to you.
I say whatever works. Some people spouses don't care about music at all, but it works for them. In my own relationship it's been kinda important, but maybe that's just the way it worked out. We met at a show and go to some shows together. We listen to a lot of the same bands and spend a lot of time talking about, from what we like about the songs, this guitar player and that singer, to the drama stuff like MP on social media. We find live performances and interviews on youtube and share them with each other, and then talk about it. But there are also bands that one of us likes and the other doesn't, so for that reason or scheduling we also go to shows alone. Doesn't make us better or worse than any one else, but I think it's great and *for me* it might be difficult being in a relationship with someone who shared none of that with me.
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No, no, you're right and that was what the "it's not the place" was meant to cover. I'm talking about those other threads (here) where everything that's not prog symphonic metal is "shit". There are little hints here - the dig at country for example - but you're right, no one has really said that here.
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My brother shares most of my musical tastes and I've been introducing some of my favorite bands to my girlfriend very slowly and she likes a lot of them. I've gotten her into Anathema, Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree and even some Riverside.
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I just thought of this thread so quick during a moment when I was cleaning up an event room and had on the newest The Contortionist album when a co-worker walked in...
Her: "Oh wow, this is really pretty, what band is this?"
Me: "The Contortionist, I don't think you'd like them."
Her: "I love this!"
Me: "Well you might like this one album, or part of it, but that'd be it."
Her: "Let me listen to something else, what other songs do you like by them?"
Me: "Okay I'll put on a few seconds of my other favorite songs"
*Plays Primal Directive for about five seconds, Oscillator for three seconds and Thrive for half a minute*
Her: "...................................Yeah. I've got a table I think".
Me: "The restaurant is empt-"
*She power walks out*
Something like this has happened with soooooooo many people. :rollin Chalk it up to the love of music that has quiet and beautiful sections doused with vicious flames of awesomeness.
No, no, you're right and that was what the "it's not the place" was meant to cover. I'm talking about those other threads (here) where everything that's not prog symphonic metal is "shit". There are little hints here - the dig at country for example - but you're right, no one has really said that here.
To expand on this just a tad, I (and others with their thoughts towards my music) can dislike a genre and express that dislike without thinking that people that like it are less than I. It's just blunt to say that I really couldn't be in a relationship with someone who blared their country as much as I blare my music; doesn't mean I think said person is horrible or less. More power to the people that love it. The issue arises when someone thinks that "their" (it's not theirs) music is better because, 9 times out of 10, it's more technically proficient, or has lyrics that cover half of The Odyssey and two Star Trek episodes. Hopefully no one got that from my comment because everyone can have their own tastes and hate/love what they want without throwing ad hominems around. There's plenty of people who abhor my music (see above), but just let it be and go about their way, which is how it should be.
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No, no, you're right and that was what the "it's not the place" was meant to cover. I'm talking about those other threads (here) where everything that's not prog symphonic metal is "shit". There are little hints here - the dig at country for example - but you're right, no one has really said that here.
I get what you're saying, but I think a lot of that is more of a short hand way of speaking to like minded people, than actually believing that what you like is objectively good and everything else is objectively bad. I myself don't like country music, and a lot of other things. I'm probably guilty of making certain comments from time to time. But do I really think I'm better than someone who does? Absolutely not. Just like you've probably made a comment or two about fans of a different sports team, but at the end of the day you know that it doesn't really mean anything.
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Right, big difference between "I really don't like *insert genre*, I think it's shit". (I add in that last part of the comment because more often than not it's said, and I still think that part of the comment is fair) Hell, hate it if you want. But that and "*Genre* fans are numbskulls/etc. ad infinitum" are worlds apart.
I digress.
On the topic of the actual thread (title, specifically), the thread itself wasn't "do your close ones have enthusiasm for music as much as you", it was aligned with tastes as well. There's a few people who are as into music (in general, not just the genre) as I am that are my friends and family but not so much with the gumption that I have for it. That's why I mentioned my dislike of country at all, because that certain taste would put me off enough because of my dislike of it, and again, totally fair. On the enthusiasm side, there's nary a day when I'm not playing music for the majority of it; then there's my sisters and dad who will play it only in the car or when exercising. Most of the relationships I've been in have been much of the same; they "like" music, but they're not sitting in their room during down time with it on like I am...right now, and for the vast majority of the rest of any downtime I have.
Many people are enthusiastic about music of their own liking, but for a lot of people on this forum, that enthusiasm lining up with the genre is going to be a little more rare.
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When I listen to music in the car with my 6 year old daughter, she always tells me "Play something with a girl singing." Fortunately, anything will suffice, and she finds Epica, Leaves' Eyes, and Within Temptation quite enjoyable.
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When I listen to music in the car with my 6 year old daughter, she always tells me "Play something with a girl singing." Fortunately, anything will suffice, and she finds Epica, Leaves' Eyes, and Within Temptation quite enjoyable.
Rush and Dream Theater should work well too.
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There are definitely areas where we like the same music - rock, metal, and some punk. But I refuse to go to a Dead Show and he does not understand Happy Hardcore in the slightest...
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No, no, you're right and that was what the "it's not the place" was meant to cover. I'm talking about those other threads (here) where everything that's not prog symphonic metal is "shit". There are little hints here - the dig at country for example - but you're right, no one has really said that here.
I get what you're saying, but I think a lot of that is more of a short hand way of speaking to like minded people, than actually believing that what you like is objectively good and everything else is objectively bad. I myself don't like country music, and a lot of other things. I'm probably guilty of making certain comments from time to time. But do I really think I'm better than someone who does? Absolutely not. Just like you've probably made a comment or two about fans of a different sports team, but at the end of the day you know that it doesn't really mean anything.
I'm going to reinforce that I feel maybe this isn't the place, but I'll respond anyway: there is very much - again in other threads here, not necessarily this one - where people believe that what they listen to makes them superior, at least in some respects if not overall. "Smarter". "Better listeners". "More refined listeners". It was just a topic of conversation about a week or so ago. Someone said that people listening to bands like Dream Theater (It wasn't specifically DT, but it was someone like that) were better - in whatever specific way was mentioned - and I called bullshit on that. I even name checked my go-to, Kiss and Night Ranger.
There's a lot of negativity about country (specifically "bro-country") here, and I sort of get it, but I don't. I've seen Keith Urban now about five times, and would go again in a heartbeat every time he comes around. The dude plays guitar for real, and is a real talent. Granted, some of his opening acts could use some self-editing, but you can't tell me that him and guys like Luke Bryan wouldn't be successful regardless of what genre they chose to participate in.
This is relevant to the thread, because I only went to see him the first time as a sop to my wife, and was sold after the third song. (Plus, the crowd is like a mirror image of a Rush/Dregs concert. All the women that don't go see the Dregs? They're at Keith Urban.)
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There's a lot of negativity about country (specifically "bro-country") here, and I sort of get it, but I don't. I've seen Keith Urban now about five times, and would go again in a heartbeat every time he comes around. The dude plays guitar for real, and is a real talent. Granted, some of his opening acts could use some self-editing, but you can't tell me that him and guys like Luke Bryan wouldn't be successful regardless of what genre they chose to participate in.
Pointing this out specifically because I think it's an interesting take and good conversation fodder, but I disagree with it. I don't think Keith Urban, Luke Bryan, etc. could be a prog artist, or even a hard rock artist. They're good at what they do, clearly, but that doesn't translate to another genre, it's like saying Lebron James would be a good hockey player because he's great at basketball, there's no evidence to support that. I also think the audiences are way too different: a country audience is not a rock audience is not a prog audience, etc.
That said I hate when people limit their musical world to one genre or one umbrella genre ("metal" or "rock" for example). There's good music out there all over the place and if people just listen with an open mind they'll start to enjoy music - not just one or a few kinds of it. Of course, I don't enjoy modern country like Keith Urban etc., but the old stuff? I'm down to hear that any time.
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I'll give you Luke Bryan - because he doesn't have that operatic voice, and does have that smokey, crooner voice that works so well with his version of country, but I'll argue Keith Urban. That guys guitar skills are up there. Not "Steve Morse" up there, but up there. He strikes me as a country Jack Blades; they do what they do, but they are not at the tip of their powers.
As for the last comment? Now you're preaching. Old school - what is popularly known now as "outlaw country" - is so different than what is on the radio now... Hank Williams, Jr. regularly covered Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Stones in his shows (when he was sober enough to have them) and you would be surprised how many rock acts have covered Kris Kristofferson tunes. And some of the studio guys - guys like Randy Scruggs, Billy Walker, Reggie Young... they are some of the best studio musicians on the PLANET. I mean Steve Lukather level.
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I'll give you Luke Bryan - because he doesn't have that operatic voice, and does have that smokey, crooner voice that works so well with his version of country, but I'll argue Keith Urban. That guys guitar skills are up there. Not "Steve Morse" up there, but up there. He strikes me as a country Jack Blades; they do what they do, but they are not at the tip of their powers.
As for the last comment? Now you're preaching. Old school - what is popularly known now as "outlaw country" - is so different than what is on the radio now... Hank Williams, Jr. regularly covered Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Stones in his shows (when he was sober enough to have them) and you would be surprised how many rock acts have covered Kris Kristofferson tunes. And some of the studio guys - guys like Randy Scruggs, Billy Walker, Reggie Young... they are some of the best studio musicians on the PLANET. I mean Steve Lukather level.
Guy's got guitar skills no doubt, but that's only one facet of being an artist. Now, I say that, but I will drop fat money on a prog rock album by Keith Urban if he announced it, just because it's that unexpected. :)
Outlaw country. That's the term I'm looking for. Yes. What little I know, I love. Beats the crap outta that Chevy country ;)
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No, no, you're right and that was what the "it's not the place" was meant to cover. I'm talking about those other threads (here) where everything that's not prog symphonic metal is "shit". There are little hints here - the dig at country for example - but you're right, no one has really said that here.
I get what you're saying, but I think a lot of that is more of a short hand way of speaking to like minded people, than actually believing that what you like is objectively good and everything else is objectively bad. I myself don't like country music, and a lot of other things. I'm probably guilty of making certain comments from time to time. But do I really think I'm better than someone who does? Absolutely not. Just like you've probably made a comment or two about fans of a different sports team, but at the end of the day you know that it doesn't really mean anything.
I'm going to reinforce that I feel maybe this isn't the place, but I'll respond anyway: there is very much - again in other threads here, not necessarily this one - where people believe that what they listen to makes them superior, at least in some respects if not overall. "Smarter". "Better listeners". "More refined listeners". It was just a topic of conversation about a week or so ago. Someone said that people listening to bands like Dream Theater (It wasn't specifically DT, but it was someone like that) were better - in whatever specific way was mentioned - and I called bullshit on that. I even name checked my go-to, Kiss and Night Ranger.
There's a lot of negativity about country (specifically "bro-country") here, and I sort of get it, but I don't. I've seen Keith Urban now about five times, and would go again in a heartbeat every time he comes around. The dude plays guitar for real, and is a real talent. Granted, some of his opening acts could use some self-editing, but you can't tell me that him and guys like Luke Bryan wouldn't be successful regardless of what genre they chose to participate in.
This is relevant to the thread, because I only went to see him the first time as a sop to my wife, and was sold after the third song. (Plus, the crowd is like a mirror image of a Rush/Dregs concert. All the women that don't go see the Dregs? They're at Keith Urban.)
Was that in the "does Kiss suck or not thread" or elsewhere? Again - I'm sure there are exceptions, but I don't think most people here truly think they're "better." Better listeners? Maybe, and maybe in some ways that's true, but it depends on context and I think they'd agree. If I didn't pay any attention to music at all, and just listened to whatever came on the radio without giving it much thought, I could call you a better listener than me, and it wouldn't be an insult to me. Not a better person, not even someone with "better taste," but just a better listener. If I only listened to popular music but really listened to it and did pay attention, then maybe not. If you played me Supper's Ready and after 30 seconds I said "turn that off" and refused to listen to it or anything else - not such a great listener. However, if I listened to it and in the end, just didn't like it, and didn't like any "prog" and only liked more popular stuff, so be it.
As for Keith Urban - I'm not disparaging his guitar playing at all. He might be a great guitar player. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, or anything about him at all. Just that I don't like country music. Not that there's nothing of value it in - just that I don't like it. Might there be an exception or two? Probably. I spent a lot of time in college listening to all different kinds of stuff, and most of it didn't resonate with me. Now, I don't choose to listen to a lot of genres, but every so often I'll check something out that someone else I know really loves, just to see if either my tastes have changed, or maybe this one particular artist is an exception to the rule for me. I'm sure some here might be tempted to call me close minded, or themselves better listeners than me, and I'd say they might be partly right, but not entirely.
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I always say it's just not my cup of tea. I've never been a fan of country music but I can take singular songs just not full albums. That being said, they do have some killer guitarists like Urban, Vince Gill and Brad Paisley.
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My wife is the greatest Team Player EVER! In her world its mellow rock and some country. But with me? She goes to all the DT shows with me and she has a great playlist she listens too constantly filled with Kamelot and Nightwish. Oh...and shes 57 :heart
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Was that in the "does Kiss suck or not thread" or elsewhere? Again - I'm sure there are exceptions, but I don't think most people here truly think they're "better." Better listeners? Maybe, and maybe in some ways that's true, but it depends on context and I think they'd agree. If I didn't pay any attention to music at all, and just listened to whatever came on the radio without giving it much thought, I could call you a better listener than me, and it wouldn't be an insult to me. Not a better person, not even someone with "better taste," but just a better listener. If I only listened to popular music but really listened to it and did pay attention, then maybe not. If you played me Supper's Ready and after 30 seconds I said "turn that off" and refused to listen to it or anything else - not such a great listener. However, if I listened to it and in the end, just didn't like it, and didn't like any "prog" and only liked more popular stuff, so be it.
I don't think the term is "better person", as in, morally superior, or anything like that. But there is a value judgment. And whether it's "listening skills" or something else, I think there's a value judgment on the part of many that listen to, say, Opeth or Spock's Beard, and the average person that listens to Taylor Swift or Night Ranger. I think it's human nature; we all want to think we're special, that we have some skill or insight that others don't. And I just think that's funny with music, because to a large degree it's visceral. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't "plan" what I like. I listen and it's a gut feeling; do I like it? Later, I might listen closer/closely to see if I can glean nuances and details, and yes, sometimes those details will bring the music to the next level, but not always.
As for Keith Urban - I'm not disparaging his guitar playing at all. He might be a great guitar player. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, or anything about him at all. Just that I don't like country music. Not that there's nothing of value it in - just that I don't like it. Might there be an exception or two? Probably. I spent a lot of time in college listening to all different kinds of stuff, and most of it didn't resonate with me. Now, I don't choose to listen to a lot of genres, but every so often I'll check something out that someone else I know really loves, just to see if either my tastes have changed, or maybe this one particular artist is an exception to the rule for me. I'm sure some here might be tempted to call me close minded, or themselves better listeners than me, and I'd say they might be partly right, but not entirely.
I have no beef with that. There are plenty of things I doin't like. Bob Dylan is unlistenable to me. Horrible. But I have to be honest and say "I don't get it" rather than "Bob Dylan sucks", because he's CLEARLY a legend. CLEARLY. My beef isn't with you, or people that don't like country (I could give a shit, frankly; I have no skin in that game myself) it's with the people that say "ah, bro country blows, man. Pickup trucks, whiskey and sleeping with your sister."
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My Fiancee pretty much hates everything I like (she definitely judges it before she listens to it). She's mainly listens to 6Radio, here in the UK, and doesn't really listen to albums. Her main love is reggae but she does have quite a varied music taste. She's nowhere near as passionate as me though.
When I play music that's a little bit on the loud/angry/heavy/aggressive side she starts telling me how awful it is and that she can't understand how I like it. The joke is she has a friend from school, who I share a lot of musical taste with, who asks her to gigs and stuff. We all went to see Mogwai together recently and he's asked her to go see Alcest with him before (when I mentioned that I was into Alcest, as she had no clue, she got a bit shitty as she's intimidated my how much music I listen to and how many bands I know etc). She's all for it then (I think it's because she wants him to think she's cool and that she can appreciate a wide variety of music). I love her to pieces but she gets caught out because when I've recently listened to Mogwai or Alcest at home she's been like "What's this crap? Turn it off." and I will smugly reply "This is Alcest/Mogwai, you went to see them with Jake!". She shuts up then :lol but she definitely jumps to the conclusion that music I listen to is shit and she won't like it. She has to say it through gritted teeth when she says she likes something I listen to.
On the flipside though, because I know she hates anything too heavy, I often play stuff that is more easy listening when we are home together. Back when I got into The Dear Hunter I played them loads because they are pretty accessible. She got fed up with them because I played them too much though :lol
I basically can't win. We do share some musical taste and we go to gigs and festivals together so it's not all bad. I just wish she would give some of the music that I know she'd actually like, if she gave it a chance, a listen.
The final thing I wanted to add is that she finds it crazy how much time I spend on DTF :lol when I'm posting on here she's like "Who are you messaging?" and I'm like "DTF" and she just rolls her eyes :rollin
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I'll give you Luke Bryan - because he doesn't have that operatic voice, and does have that smokey, crooner voice that works so well with his version of country, but I'll argue Keith Urban. That guys guitar skills are up there. Not "Steve Morse" up there, but up there. He strikes me as a country Jack Blades; they do what they do, but they are not at the tip of their powers.
As for the last comment? Now you're preaching. Old school - what is popularly known now as "outlaw country" - is so different than what is on the radio now... Hank Williams, Jr. regularly covered Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Stones in his shows (when he was sober enough to have them) and you would be surprised how many rock acts have covered Kris Kristofferson tunes. And some of the studio guys - guys like Randy Scruggs, Billy Walker, Reggie Young... they are some of the best studio musicians on the PLANET. I mean Steve Lukather level.
Guy's got guitar skills no doubt, but that's only one facet of being an artist. Now, I say that, but I will drop fat money on a prog rock album by Keith Urban if he announced it, just because it's that unexpected. :)
Outlaw country. That's the term I'm looking for. Yes. What little I know, I love. Beats the crap outta that Chevy country ;)
This is a little off topic but I worked at a basketball venue in college that also hosted concerts so I got to see a lot of shows that came through, one of those shows was Brad Paisley. Holy fuck that guy can play some guitar.