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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Renzo on November 15, 2017, 02:05:40 PM
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Since I&W&B tour is coming to an end, I was wondering what are the songs that DT hasn't played in a while that could be played in the next tour. Usually DT incorporates songs from albums which happen to have an anniversary, they did even on the current tour with TDEN (SC's 10th anniversary) and with HK (FII's 20th anniversary). 2019 will be the anniversary (sorry if I have said this word A LOT in this post) of WDADU (30th), Awake (25th), Metropolis (20th) and BC&SL (10th). So I will like to see DT play in the next tour:
1. The Killing Hand (DT's first epic in some sense)
2. Voices or The Mirror (unlikely as they already played it in 2014)
3. Beyond this Life (underrated song in my opinion)
4. The Best of Times (very very very unlikely) or A Nightmare to Remember (as the opener like in 2010)
And you?
(NOTE 1: it doesn't necessarily be a song from the albums I listed above)
(NOTE 2: I really hope DT14 contains an epic like ACOS)
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If there's not 20 minute long epic on the new album I'd love to see Octavarium be the encore.
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Octavarium for sure. In the Name of God deserves another appearance as well. I don't think it has been played since Prog Nation 2009. Train of Thought as a whole has been pretty under-represented recently. As has 6 Degrees, but I don't care for it nearly as much as ToT - though The Glass Prison would be great to see.
Some others I'd personally love to see would be Sacrificed Sons, The Ministry of Lost Souls and Lines in the Sand. In the Presence of Enemies too, though that's highly unlikely.
The I&W and Beyond tour was great for me, as it allowed me to finally see 3 of my top 10 DT tracks live (Learning to Live, Metropolis and A Change of Seasons).
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I've been blessed to see many amazing DT concerts so I'll just say that, for the novelty of it, I'd like to hear You Not Me.
Other songs I'd like to hear:
Through Her Eyes, maybe with a different arrangement, the only SFAM song I haven't seen live
Disappear
The Glass Prison
Forsaken
The Count of Tuscany
Behind the Veil
Home
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I'll take as much of SFAM as I can get.
Others that come to mind (although I don't know how recently some of them might have been done...is there a resource where one can look that up?):
The Killing Hand
Only a Matter of Time
6:00
Scarred (I know this was done at least as recently as the Systematic Chaos tour...not sure if it's been done more recently)
Blind Faith (also played at least as recently as the Systematic Chaos tour)
Misunderstood
Stream of Consciousness
Panic Attack
Octavarium
Wither
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Others that come to mind (although I don't know how recently some of them might have been done...is there a resource where one can look that up?):
You could look here: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html - it won't be 100% accurate, but it's pretty good I think.
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I really want to hear ACoS, it's one of my favorites and I haven't hear it live. I don't think this tour is going to come to Mexico but I hope it does, since I don't think they will be playing that song again.
Beside that song, I really want to hear:
Octavarium
A nightmare to rememeber
Only a matter of time
Beyond this life
Blind Faith (I heard this one in the SC tour, but I was just getting into DT, so I didn't knew the song then)
SoC (my favorite instrumental!)
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I’m very much into seeing songs I’ve never seen live before so I’d pick:
1) Light Fuse And Getaway
2) You Not Me
3) Speak To Me (or any FII b-side besides RTK and CME)
4) Disappear
5) Surrender to Reason (or Behind the Veil)
6) Lost Not Forgotten (or This Is The Life)
7) The Ministry Of Lost Souls
8) Wither
9) Never Enough
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I'd be happy with any of the following which I've never seen live:
Behind the Veil (needs a U.S. performance)
Surrender to Reason (needs a live debut!)
You Or Me (Demo version!!!)
Cover My Eyes
Vacant + Far From Heaven (I think that would be emotional and powerful duo)
Wither
Disappear
Anna Lee
DT has tremendous fan service (perhaps the best of any band), and given the recent addition of Don't Look Past Me, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the above selections find their way into future setlists.
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Voices and In the Name of God are long overdue to return (neither have been played in the Mangini era).
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If there's not 20 minute long epic on the new album I'd love to see Octavarium be the encore.
This! :tup
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If there's not 20 minute long epic on the new album I'd love to see Octavarium be the encore.
This a million times. My favorite song of all time and I need to hear it live before I die.
If I had my way, any of these songs that I haven't heard yet would make it into the set, with ones that I would particularly want to hear bolded.
Afterlife
Only a Matter of Time
A Mind Behind Itself
Lines in the Sand
Home
The Spirit Carries On
Blind Faith
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
These Walls
Panic Attack
Octavarium
Constant Motion
A Nightmare to Remember
The Count of Tuscany
Bridges in the Sky
Surrender to Reason
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The Killing Hand
(No I&W song)
Voices
Anna Lee
Lines In The Sand
Home
One Last Time
The Glass Prison
Disappear
Vacant
In The Name Of God
Octavarium
The Answer Lies Within
In The Presence Of Enemies (Both Part)
A Nightmare To Remember
Brigdes In The Sky
Surrender To Reason
(No Astoshining Song)
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Others that come to mind (although I don't know how recently some of them might have been done...is there a resource where one can look that up?):
You could look here: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html - it won't be 100% accurate, but it's pretty good I think.
Thanks! It suggests that the rarest songs (of those that actually appeared on an official DT release -- i.e., no Collins era songs or random stuff that only existed for live performances) are Repentance (only played once in May 2008), Disappear (only played twice in April 2004), You Not Me (four appearances in December 1997 and January 1998), and The Answer Lies Within (seven times in the several months leading up to the 20th Anniversary concert). Interesting.
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For the love of god, The Glass Prison!!! I’ve seen them 10 times now and have checked off nearly all the songs on my must-see-live list, except for that one. Hasn’t been played since the ToT tour if I’m not mistaken, it’s long overdue.
Also like to hear Lines In The Sand, Octavarium (if it’s called for), Blind Faith, Outcry and Through Her Eyes.
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Set I:
Intro
A Nightmare to Remember
DT14's First Single
The Killing Hand
DT14's New Instrumental/Enigma Machine
Beyond this Life
In the Name of God
Set II:
The Mirror
DT14's Second Single
A tempting offer
The path that divides
Behind the Veil/Surrender to Reason
DT14's Third Single
The Best of Times/The Count of Tuscany
Encore:
DT14's epic/Octavarium
This could be a cool set list.. ;D :metal
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Since I am a new listener (almost 2 years) and only 3 Astonishing concerts, all above would be great.... But, I have to go with Octavarium. The coolest, most original
song I have ever heard.
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For the love of god, The Glass Prison!!! I’ve seen them 10 times now and have checked off nearly all the songs on my must-see-live list, except for that one. Hasn’t been played since the ToT tour if I’m not mistaken, it’s long overdue.
Also like to hear Lines In The Sand, Octavarium (if it’s called for), Blind Faith, Outcry and Through Her Eyes.
It was last played on the 8vm tour. They often opened the second set with TGP into TDS.
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I think it's funny that I've seen them twice and still haven't heard The Spirit Carries On. So... that one. :)
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For the love of god, The Glass Prison!!! I’ve seen them 10 times now and have checked off nearly all the songs on my must-see-live list, except for that one. Hasn’t been played since the ToT tour if I’m not mistaken, it’s long overdue.
Also like to hear Lines In The Sand, Octavarium (if it’s called for), Blind Faith, Outcry and Through Her Eyes.
It was last played on the 8vm tour. They often opened the second set with TGP into TDS.
Ahh. We got War/Test on that tour for that slot.
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There are 17 album tracks that I have not seen. Some would make good songs to include in a setlist and others not-so-much. I'll try to make a setlist for what could be an evening with type show for a new album using a bunch of those songs:
1. New Song (presumably album opener)
2. Surrender To Reason*
3. Burning My Soul*
4. New Song
5. Outcry
6. Through Her Eyes*
7. New Song (Instrumental?)
8. Our New World
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1. Behind the Veil*
2. The Great Debate*
3. New Song
4. Far From Heaven*
5. The Enemy Inside
6. New Song (Epic Closer)
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Encore: Only A Matter of Time*
That would make five new songs, seven songs that I've yet to see, and three I've seen and wouldn't mind seeing again. I'd be alright with that.
Also, only four out of the fifteen songs here are before Mangini's time, which is something I wouldn't doubt the band will lean on more going forward.
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Songs I would like to see:
Lines in the Sand
In the Name of God
Blind Faith
The Glass Prison or something else from 12SS
Endless Sacrifice
Octavarium
A Nightmare to Remember
A new version maybe from The Killing Hand or Status Seeker
I would really like to see some rearranged versions of older songs!
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Surrender to reason!
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Light Fuse and Get Away
The Killing Hand
Octavarium
In the Presence of Enemies (either)
Outcry
This Dying Soul
Surrender to Reason
SO HAPPY they did Scarred, Lifting Shadows, Caught in a Web, Shattered Fortress, ACOS, and The Great Debate and many others on recent tours!!!
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Octavarium needs to come back.
I mean, it's time. It really is.
Also, The Ministry of lost souls.
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I'd love to see them play:
Another Won
The Killing Hand or Only a Matter of Time (this one was supposedly going to be played on the DT12 tour, but had to be cut due to the setlist being too long)
No IAW songs for the next tour
Erotomania and Voices
Raise the Knife or Lines in the Sand
Beyond This Life
Blind Faith
Goodnight Kiss and Solitary Shell
Misunderstood
Vacant and Stream of Consciousness
Octavarium
The Ministry of Lost Souls
No BC&SL song
Outcry or Lost Not Forgotten
Surrender to Reason
A New Beginning
...and Raw Dog, because, why not? :biggrin:
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As much as I love Breaking All Illusions, I hope they give it a rest on the next tour. It’s been played on 3 out of the 4 tours since it was written.
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As much as I love Breaking All Illusions, I hope they give it a rest on the next tour. It’s been played on 3 out of the 4 tours since it was written.
I hope they give BAI, TSCO, AIA and the whole IAW a rest for a while.
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Behind The Veil would be a good candidate, also keep The Bigger Picture.
ITPOE part 1.
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Behind The Veil would be a good candidate, also keep The Bigger Picture.
ITPOE part 1.
Would love to see the full song, but only part 1 would be very cool as well :metal
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Part 1 would be a good show opener. Octavarium would be a good Closer, or end of first set.
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Others that come to mind (although I don't know how recently some of them might have been done...is there a resource where one can look that up?):
You could look here: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html - it won't be 100% accurate, but it's pretty good I think.
Or you could just look in the concerts section on this site. Every single show is listed.
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Others that come to mind (although I don't know how recently some of them might have been done...is there a resource where one can look that up?):
You could look here: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html - it won't be 100% accurate, but it's pretty good I think.
Or you could just look in the concerts section on this site. Every single show is listed.
Except for the last 3 tours, right? Or am I missing them?
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They are there as well. We just haven't had anyone organize the sets into subforums. But the sets are there are easy to find, especially since they didn't change. Wish cyberdrummer didn't lose interest in compiling the info though. I would, but just don't have the time.
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^Gotcha, that makes sense.
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6:00
Raise the Knife
Cover my Eyes
Home
Glass Prison
In the Name of God
Octavarium, at least from 12 or 13 minutes in
In the Presence Part 1
Wither
Lost Not Forgotten
Surrender to reason
Beyond the Veil
A cover of Labyrinth by Sons of Apollo
Gone, not coming back...a track name off the new album. Yes I made that up. :)
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Just realized I didn't actually respond to the thread itself. My short list would be (in album order because that's easiest):
The Killing Hand (my favorite from WDADU)
Take Away My Pain (one of my favorite ballads from them, and I have never seen it)
Burning My Soul (not a favorite, but I believe it would be a great live song)
Home
The Glass Prison (please!!!)
Misunderstood (I think I've seen it twice, but it has been awhile)
In the Name of God (It's time to bring it back)
Octavarium (not likely, but it would be cool)
ITPOE I (or the whole thing)
A Nightmare To Remember (please!!!)
The Count of Tuscany (obviously, not ALL of the epics I am listing)
Behind the Veil
Any of those would be great. The bolded ones are the ones I want most.
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Octavarium (not likely, but it would be cool)
Why not likely? Seems like it is on almost everyone's wish list. Mine too!
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Octavarium (not likely, but it would be cool)
Why not likely? Seems like it is on almost everyone's wish list. Mine too!
Yeah, but you never know. Threads like this get brought to the band's attention. And if something like this can be done without interfering with what the band wants to do, they do take what fans want to hear seriously.
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I was looking at the songs that the current lineup have yet to play, and I'd like to take another shot at this using that list (not just the ones I haven't seen). They've played a lot from Scenes and before, not a lot from SDOIT to BC&SL...
The Killing Hand or Only a Matter of Time
***Nothing from Images please***
Erotomania (Innocence Faded or Voices would be tough on James, gotta give him a break)
New Millennium or Hollow Years
HOME! (or Through Her Eyes)
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul or Stream of Consciousness
I Walk Beside You
In the Presence of Enemies - Part I
A Rite of Passage
Bring back Outcry!!
Surrender to Reason
***maybe one song from Astonishing***
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I was looking at the songs that the current lineup have yet to play, and I'd like to take another shot at this using that list (not just the ones I haven't seen). They've played a lot from Scenes and before, not a lot from SDOIT to BC&SL...
The Killing Hand or Only a Matter of Time
***Nothing from Images please***
Erotomania (Innocence Faded or Voices would be tough on James, gotta give him a break)
New Millennium or Hollow Years
HOME! (or Through Her Eyes)
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul or Stream of Consciousness
I Walk Beside You
In the Presence of Enemies - Part I
A Rite of Passage
Bring back Outcry!!
Surrender to Reason
***maybe one song from Astonishing***
I'm with you on most songs here, the only one I think we'll never see again is New Millenium, because James doesn't like to sing that one. The only one I don't think they'd do is TDS.
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I don't recall whether I've personally seen NM live (I know I could look it up, but it's not that important to me). I like the song quite a bit, but I don't ever put it on my "I wish they would play" lists because I feel like we have pretty good, definitive live versions on various releases, whether it be the album arrangement on L@B, Caught In a New Millenium from LSFNY, or Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden from Old Bridge. So, I feel like it's easy to get my live NM fix anytime I want.
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I couldn't post the link to it yesterday, but here's the exact quote of James talking about NM in 2011:
Here’s a question that a fan asked me to bring up: What are your favorite and least favorite songs to perform live?
Uuuuuh… Least favorite… I would say, probably… I don’t know… New Millennium. That song, I just didn’t feel it. There were some cool moments in it, I just didn’t… whenever we performed it, I didn’t feel it. The favorite song for me is… I love Scarred, I love performing that live. And… well, Octavarium, that whole frickin’ thing… Ministry of Lost Souls and that… I don’t know… Octavarium in itself, this song, I loved performing. I thought it was an amazing song. It’s kinda hard. That’s a hard question to answer cause there’s so many moments that I know… cause 99 percent of the songs, I love singing.
Taken from: https://www.prog-sphere.com/interviews/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/
The song isn't really bad, and the instrumental break is pretty cool, but I agree with James, something doesn't feel right about it, at least to me. If they were going to include another rarely played song from FII, I'm with Bosk on bringing TAMP back :tup
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That's a fantastic interview and I've always loved the transcript, with all the "I don't know"s and "you know"s. :lol
New Millenium is not a bad song, it's fairly okay, and the live version on Budokan is pretty awesome. But it probably wouldn't be one of my live favorites if they went for that one.
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I wouldn't mind seeing ITPOE part 1 played live but it looks like they haven't played it since 2009. I've been taking a stab at the riffs on my acoustic (I'm not at all good but it's fun learning new things of course) and it's such a neat little piece. Kind of a long one too. But I'd take it over Dark Eternal Night...
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I would also love to hear TAMP live. Such an underrated ballad from them.
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I keep replying to these threads with "The Killing Hand" - it's not happened yet, so I suspect it's unlikely.
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I keep replying to these threads with "The Killing Hand" - it's not happened yet, so I suspect it's unlikely.
It's unlikely but 2019 will mark the 30th anniversary of WDADU so they could possibly perform it. Also Bosk has stated that threads like this could be read by the band..
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Octavarium
ITPOE pt. 1 (It'd be awesome in full)
Stream of Consciousness
Misunderstood
Blind Faith
Erotomania/Voices
Peruvian Skies
Home
The Count of Tuscany
Surrender to Reason
Three Days
A Savior In The Square/When Your Time Has Come
Chosen
This Is The Life
Outcry
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Disappear
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Endless Sacrifice
In The Name of God
Only A Matter of Time
and intro music False Awakening Suite
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Since it will likely be the 25th anniversary of Awake when they tour again, I'll need a nice handful of songs from that disc -- preferably Awake songs they didn't play on the DT12 tour. :)
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Since it will likely be the 25th anniversary of Awake when they tour again, I'll need a nice handful of songs from that disc -- preferably Awake songs they didn't play on the DT12 tour. :)
No way you'll get a handful, but JP has done a great job with the setlists so far, in terms of variety of songs played so I could definitely see Voices being played.
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Since it will likely be the 25th anniversary of Awake when they tour again, I'll need a nice handful of songs from that disc -- preferably Awake songs they didn't play on the DT12 tour. :)
No way you'll get a handful, but JP has done a great job with the setlists so far, in terms of variety of songs played so I could definitely see Voices being played.
Yeah, maybe the AMBI suite will make a comeback for that. I was feeling like those songs were overplayed for a stretch. But it has been awhile, so I wouldn't mind. And aside from those and Lifting Shadows, the rest of the album has been played on recent tours, so that would be a good run of songs.
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I could see them pulling out out a song from BC&SL for its tenth anniversary. Maybe ANTR?
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I could see them pulling out out a song from BC&SL for its tenth anniversary. Maybe ANTR?
But who would do the rough vox day after day and night after night?
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I could see them pulling out out a song from BC&SL for its tenth anniversary. Maybe ANTR?
But who would do the rough vox day after day and night after night?
JP(?)
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It'd be James prerecorded and lip synched by JP.
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I think they should do it with the original vocal lines JP had for James.
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Well, that's 0 for 3, so I guess that reference fizzled. :lol
(I think) they should just skip them altogether if they even do play it. But I haven't heard the original ideas in quite a long time.
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-They could have the crowd sing it
-JLB could rip a shredding solo over the chords instead
-Guest vocalist! Maybe that screaming guy who was gonna do it in the first place
- Not do the whole song, maybe incorporate it into a medley that also includes the Best Of Times solo
-Surprise appearance of Mike Portnoy
- Derek also shows up and with their rockin personalities, DT can't help but be moved off the stage
-Sons of apollo show
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-profit
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Well, that's 0 for 3, so I guess that reference fizzled. :lol
(I think) they should just skip them altogether if they even do play it. But I haven't heard the original ideas in quite a long time.
What do mean? I don't think anyone missed the reference... unless I'm missing something else?
To further expand on my response - I have no desire to hear those vocals as they are on the album. I thought they were pretty awful, and they were even worse live.
Skipping it works for me, especially with an added JP solo as Evai suggested. Or have JL sing it in a way that fits the lyrics, it being a miracle and all... :)
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No, I think you got it, it was just a very elementary reference :lol Skipping it would be best :)
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Speaking of ANTR the 'day after day' part could be done easily by Petrucci as he has already done some screaming parts in TDEN (I burned with a thirst..). A big surprise will be having them perform TBOT, maybe they could actually ask MP, I am pretty sure there is still someone in the band still in touch with him, maybe JP.
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-JLB could rip a shredding solo over the chords instead
A "shredding solo" by JLB?! Maybe on the flute, a la Ian Anderson? That would be...umm...interesting.
IMO, the only BC&SL songs worth playing are Wither, The Shattered Fortress and The Count of Tuscany.
Given MP's recent comments (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-has-no-desire-or-interest-to-play-with-dream-theater-again/) a guest appearance isn't likely anytime in the foreseeable future, even though he's "on very good terms" with JP and JR.
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Interesting, Wither is one of the songs I'd choose to leave out. The lyrics are good, but the song is very very pop. It's like a slower version of this emo song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEw3aw5huc0
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Interesting, Wither is one of the songs I'd choose to leave out. The lyrics are good, but the song is very very pop. It's like a slower version of this emo song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEw3aw5huc0
I think THIS is the real pop version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0 :rollin
Given MP's recent comments (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-has-no-desire-or-interest-to-play-with-dream-theater-again/) a guest appearance isn't likely anytime in the foreseeable future, even though he's "on very good terms" with JP and JR.
And that's the best outcome, imo. Mike's clearly bitter about it, but I think he's finally (after 7 years) getting over it. Everything would've been better if he had a different attitude towards them after the split, though, but it it what it is.
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(Sorry for the THIRD list of songs... I just can't help myself. This is probably the most interesting thing about following DT... all the different combos of songs you can use to make up a set!)
So, I did some research about what the band has played in my city/state (Boston, MA). Below is a list of songs that I would be alright seeing DT play next tour, or any other after. Note that I am not including any of the songs that have been played post-2010 because I'm most interested in seeing the old songs that have yet to be played by the current lineup, and with the exception of On The Backs of Angels and (especially) Breaking All Illusions, I would welcome a replay of any song from the Mangini-era. B-Sides are also not included below.
(The date in parentheses is the last time they played it in Boston):
NEVER PLAYED
Afterlife
You Not Me
Take Away My Pain
Anna Lee
Disappear
The Answer Lies Within
Repentance
The Best of Times
Far From Heaven
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
PLAYED ONCE
Status Seeker (1993)
Light Fuse and Get Away (2004)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (1994)
Only a Matter of Time (1992)
Innocence Faded (1994)
Regression (2000)
Through Her Eyes (2000)
Blind Faith (2007)
Goodnight Kiss (2002)
Honor Thy Father (2005)
Vacant (2004)
I Walk Beside You (2006)
Never Enough (2005)
Sacrificed Sons (2006)
Octavarium (2006)
Prophets of War (2009)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (2008)
In the Presence of Enemies - Part 2 (2007)
Wither (2010)
PLAYED TWICE
Burning My Soul (2002)
Just Let Me Breathe (2005)
One Last Time (2009)
The Glass Prison (2004)
Misunderstood (2008)
The Great Debate (2003)
About to Crash (2006)
About to Crash (Reprise) (2004)
Losing Time/Grand Finale (2004)
Stream of Consciousness (2004)
In the Presence of Enemies - Part 1 (2008)
Constant Motion (2010)
A Nightmare to Remember (2010)
A Rite of Passage (2010)
The Count of Tuscany (2010)
PLAYED THRICE
The Killing Hand (2002)
Caught In A Web (2006)
New Millennium (2002)
Lines in the Sand (2007)
Beyond This Life (2008)
Solitary Shell (2009)
In the Name of God (2009)
Panic Attack (2010)
PLAYED FOUR OR MORE TIMES
Erotomania (2008)
Voices (2008)
Peruvian Skies (2004)
Hollow Years (2010)
Home (2010)
Also, as Ben_Jamin pointed out before, they really need to bring back False Awakening Suite as their intro music!