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Title: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: wasteland on October 26, 2017, 03:26:54 AM
So, it has been recently brought to my attention (I believe it was 35 seconds ago) that the band has gone for a minor and yet completely unexpected shakeup of the setlist for the US leg of the IAW and beyond tour.

Replacing the Astonishing mini-set, two more songs heavily associated with Images And Words have been played: To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me.

For those who wonder, TLF has been played once (19/07/2012) in the last 13 years, and I believe less than 20 times since 1993, when it was a staple of the latter half of the original IAW tour. As many of you will know, the song, despite being written in 1988 when CD was still in the band, was slated to appear on IAW and served as the testing ground for the singer auditions in 1989-1990. Eventually the song was set aside when the label's request to write more approachable songs in mid-1991 resulted in Another Day and Surrounded. TLF was however, as said, heavily featured in the following tour and ended up being officially released as a B-Side in the Awake era.

For the first couple years of its existence, Don't Look Past Me fate was inextricably linked to that of To Live Forever. It was too written in the early stages of the pre-IAW wilderness years (I believe early 1990, approximately at the same time Take The Time and Under A Glass Moon were being conceived, and substantially after Metropolis and Learning To Live had been shaped into a coherent form) and just like To Live Forever was used heavily in the auditions. For this reason just like TLF and A Change Of Seasons, several version of this songs being sung by various vocalists exist and to this day float around the darkest and least explored corners of youtube. Don't Look Past Me shared TLF's fate of being shelved in favour of AD and Surrounded, but unlike the Petrucci penned song, it was never to receive the warm touch of the limelight or the soaring roar of the crowds.
It is to this date, or I should say, was up to yesterday, the oldest song composed under the name Dream Theater to never have been played, and, since the debut of Space Dye Vest in 2014, the only set of lyrics by Kevin Moore to have suffered that fate.

Personally, it's a song that I have always loved to bits, and that still frequently listen when in need of uplifting notes. It's a wonder how it was ignored for so long. I guess it has to do with the extremely complicated backing vocal line. But still, I'm very happy about, although unfortunately being a citizen of the Old World I didn't get to see it played. I'll be on the lookout for audience videos on youtube!

So, did you know about this song? Are you happy with the choice of dusting out a 7-minute long obscure song from their early catalogue? Would you have liked that slot to be occupied by something else? That's the place to discuss it!

P.S. More of a TLDR, really:
- Astonishing songs in setlist phased out, To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me phased in
- Both were supposed to end up on IAW, were put aside in favour of AD and Surrounded
- DLPM has never been played before
- Happy about this?

P.P.S. First post in such a long time! How are you all doing? :)
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2017, 04:15:21 AM
OMG THEY PLAYED DON'T LOOK PAST ME?? :o :o :o  :metal

I love the song, it's a pity that they entirely sacrificed The Astonishing for that but holy cow, what a wonderful treat it must have been!!! I would have loved to hear it, and probably sang it all the way through.  Awesome song, and perfectly in style with I5W.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Weymolith on October 26, 2017, 05:11:07 AM
I'm glad JP finally brought it out. I've mentioned it to him in the past as one of the few songs to never have been played.

I think all that leaves now is Raw Dog.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: wasteland on October 26, 2017, 05:31:48 AM
First video of the song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZsmhg3K_Yc
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Architeuthis on October 26, 2017, 05:35:37 AM
I'll be disappointed if they replace The Astonishing songs for the US leg of the tour..
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2017, 05:39:22 AM
That is great to hear! The band continues to give especially special treats to the fans at live shows.  :hat
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: nattmorker on October 26, 2017, 06:45:44 AM
That is great to hear! The band continues to give especially special treats to the fans at live shows.  :hat

This! I would prefer they keep The Astonishing mini set, since I love it and I'm not overly fond of DLPM and TLF (although I know them well), but I love when they make changes and play rarities and obscure songs.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Mladen on October 26, 2017, 06:48:42 AM
First video of the song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZsmhg3K_Yc
Somebody named it Speak to me on YouTube.  ;D
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: noxon on October 26, 2017, 06:59:14 AM
I'm glad JP finally brought it out. I've mentioned it to him in the past as one of the few songs to never have been played.

I think all that leaves now is Raw Dog.

I do believe theres two more thats never been performed live: Best of Times and Surrender to Reason.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
Surrender to Reason sooner or later will be played. The Best of Times? probably never.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: wasteland on October 26, 2017, 07:29:30 AM
So, I believe now the mantle of the "song-that-has-not-been-played-for-the-longest-time" has been passed onto Eve (last performance 29.12.1998). Here's hoping for that precious gem to make a live return as well, sooner better than later. :)

Also, notice how the backing vocals (one of the main features of DLPM) have been completely scrapped in the live rendition. It does take something from the song, to be honest.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2017, 07:34:01 AM
I was thinking about those, I thought that maybe they would pipe them in.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Mladen on October 26, 2017, 07:40:12 AM
I've always known about Don't look past me but was never interested enough to listen to it. I've always thought of it as a raw demo version of a song that probably wasn't worth listening to if the band didn't think it was good enough to be on the album.

However, seeing a super obscure song being played live is exciting, no matter which one it is. I'm looking forward to some better clips that might surface over the next few months. Did JLB introduce the song? Was there any word about it?
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 26, 2017, 07:42:36 AM
Awesome changes to the set.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: lonestar on October 26, 2017, 08:05:57 AM
Everyone whose seen Don't Look Past Me live, raise their hand....

*raises hand*
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Zydar on October 26, 2017, 08:06:18 AM
:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: lonestar on October 26, 2017, 08:09:03 AM
Hey, I get to enjoy it for about 14 hours...
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 26, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
Got to be said those Astonishing songs stick out like a sore thumb in the middle of that first set. Not the choices I'd have gone for, but they fit in to the I&W theme, so I approve heartily!
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2017, 08:27:22 AM
That's cool that DLPM is being played. That's a good tune.

Honestly, for me, I've always thought that TLF is one of their worst songs.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
Really excited they worked these into the setlist.  Totally fit the theme of the show, although I'd rather them keep TA songs and drop TDEN personally.  I'll be seeing this show twice in a few weeks  :metal
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

I have been dying to let you guys know that they were thinking about doing it, but I obviously couldn't say anything.  Really glad they did this.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2017, 09:22:46 AM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

Excellent move  :tup ;D
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 09:23:36 AM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

Excellent move  :tup ;D

Agreed.  I know you hinted about the setlist change, but I certainly wasn't thinking this.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 26, 2017, 09:26:40 AM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

Excellent move  :tup ;D

Agreed.  I know you hinted about the setlist change, but I certainly wasn't thinking this.

Ditto. This is really cool, some great rarities. Can't wait for the Pittsburgh show!
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 09:37:14 AM
And just an FYI:  Those were the ONLY two songs he talked about adding, so it's not like they had 3 or 4 that he asked me about, and whittled it down to those two.  Under the circumstances, I think those were excellent choices for this tour.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 26, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
I hate myself so much for not having a ticket for the LA show tonight. I've always adored that song. I may have even shed a fucking tear while watching that video.


IF I had bought a ticket, I would have not spoiled the setlist for myself, and then probably legit cry when they broke into it.

(I don't have a problem..)
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
:lol  I really wish I could attend one of these shows.  The scheduling was REALLY unfortunate for me, and I just can't find a way to make any of these shows work.  I was even thinking about driving down to L.A. for tonight, but can't.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on October 26, 2017, 09:58:01 AM
I spent so long trying not to spoil the set and then I clicked on this thread...  :yeahright

Can't wait to hear the crowd reaction to those being played.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: wasteland on October 26, 2017, 10:02:27 AM
I spent so long trying not to spoil the set and then I clicked on this thread...  :yeahright

Can't wait to hear the crowd reaction to those being played.

My apologies, I should have been more thoughtful in my choice of title. It is known I can hardly resist a pun.  :-\
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on October 26, 2017, 10:04:06 AM
It's okay, honestly I thought they would just fill out the set with Spirit Carries On and some other predictable tunes, but it's no big deal :) I didn't even catch the pun until I read the post  :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Nick on October 26, 2017, 11:41:28 AM
I'm changing the thread title on this. You're of course able to talk about spoilers here, but just don't want those who might be browsing the main site or DT forum to get a dose of the spoiler if they are avoiding it. :)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 26, 2017, 11:49:23 AM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

I have been dying to let you guys know that they were thinking about doing it, but I obviously couldn't say anything.  Really glad they did this.

Oh. So you're to blame? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on October 26, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

Excellent move  :tup ;D

Agreed.  I know you hinted about the setlist change, but I certainly wasn't thinking this.

Ditto. This is really cool, some great rarities. Can't wait for the Pittsburgh show!

This is astonishing (obvious pun), Bosk!  :hefdaddy

I'm glad JP finally brought it out. I've mentioned it to him in the past as one of the few songs to never have been played.

I think all that leaves now is Raw Dog.

I do believe theres two more thats never been performed live: Best of Times and Surrender to Reason.

Indeed, the only DT songs they haven't played live untill now are TBOT, Raw Dog and Surrender to Reason. Hopefully, they'll play STR on the next tour.

So, I believe now the mantle of the "song-that-has-not-been-played-for-the-longest-time" has been passed onto Eve (last performance 29.12.1998). Here's hoping for that precious gem to make a live return as well, sooner better than later. :)

Would love it if they replaced Hell's Kitchen with Eve, but I don't think it'll happen.
IIRC, when the band did a live Q&A around the time DT12 was released, somebody asked Jordan why Eve and Anna Lee (songs played by the previous two keyboardists) have never been played during all his time as a member of DT. He answered, with some sarcasm, something along the lines of "There must be a reason neither song has been played for all these years, don't you think?".
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
I'd love Anna Lee live, but I could live without Eve.  I know people here love it, but I find it fairly boring and certainly not a song I really want to see live over the rest of DT's catalogue.  I know people feel the same about Anna Lee too.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Chris Hinton on October 26, 2017, 11:54:40 AM
Great to hear, and now I'm even more sad they are not coming to Seattle.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
I'd love Anna Lee live, but I could live without Eve.  I know people here love it, but I find it fairly boring and certainly not a song I really want to see live over the rest of DT's catalogue.  I know people feel the same about Anna Lee too.

Heck, being blessed with having seen many DT shows and having heard everything I want to hear, I'd say I'm fine even with the infamous You Not Me.

But now I want Don't Look Past Me too  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
IMO, it would be a huge mistake and waste of set list time to play Eve.  Aside from the fact that I can't stand it, it's just not representative of their style, and only the hard-cores would appreciate it.  Most people in the audience would simply be confused and probably take an opportunity for a restroom/beer break.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 26, 2017, 12:22:36 PM
IMO, it would be a huge mistake and waste of set list time to play Eve.  Aside from the fact that I can't stand it, it's just not representative of their style, and only the hard-cores would appreciate it.  Most people in the audience would simply be confused and probably take an opportunity for a restroom/beer break.

I'd say the same thing about DLPM.

And Eve too of course.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 26, 2017, 12:38:30 PM
Never really liked Don't Look Past Me but it'll be cool to hear.  I absolutely love To Live Forever.

A little bummed they've scrapped The Astonishing set because they were playing the only songs I even like from that album. 

Also, shouldn't this thread have a spoiler warning?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Mladen on October 26, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
They did however tour USA twice with The Astonishing, so it makes sense that those two songs were the ones to go.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 12:52:55 PM
They did however tour USA twice with The Astonishing, so it makes sense that those two songs were the ones to go.

And to poor attendance.  I'm guessing that was the reasoning to swap those songs.  They got better crowd approval when they swaped TA songs with some classic DT songs at the end of that last TA tour.  I'm thinking they figure they would get better reception to do this, plus it fits the theme. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
They did however tour USA twice with The Astonishing, so it makes sense that those two songs were the ones to go.

And to poor attendance.  I'm guessing that was the reasoning to swap those songs.  They got better crowd approval when they swaped TA songs with some classic DT songs at the end of that last TA tour.  I'm thinking they figure they would get better reception to do this, plus it fits the theme. 

No, it doesn't really have anything to do with the attendance on the Astonishing tour.  It's because it fits the theme and is supposed to be a "fun for the fans"-type of tour. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 01:04:18 PM
They did however tour USA twice with The Astonishing, so it makes sense that those two songs were the ones to go.

And to poor attendance.  I'm guessing that was the reasoning to swap those songs.  They got better crowd approval when they swaped TA songs with some classic DT songs at the end of that last TA tour.  I'm thinking they figure they would get better reception to do this, plus it fits the theme. 

No, it doesn't really have anything to do with the attendance on the Astonishing tour.  It's because it fits the theme and is supposed to be a "fun for the fans"-type of tour. 

Yea but if it's for the fans, then wouldn't they swap it with songs that are least likely to be enjoyed by the fans then?  That's really what I was trying to say.  I'd personally rather the TA songs and kick something else out of the first set, but I'm just going by the fan reaction to TA.  I'm not sure any songs from the 2000s fit the theme so figured they swapped the songs least likely to be well received and having been played most recently in NA.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Evai on October 26, 2017, 01:07:05 PM
I'd like to see You Not Me played live. Their live arrangement of it they did before was weird (Portnoy singing lead in the chorus while JLB sings high harmony? Huh?)
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2017, 03:20:32 PM
JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

Just the fact that JP is willing to have this interaction with you (The Forum) is a great thing.

And also, if I may, since MP left, the only thing that went with him was really the Rotating Setlists and some (sometimes too forced) jams.

JP has done a masterful job creating the setlists since that first  2011 summer tour.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 03:23:32 PM
JP has done a masterful job creating the setlists since that first  2011 summer tour.

Yea, if we aren't going to get rotating setlists anymore, the static ones created have been really interesting and solid.  Doing things like SDV and DLPM are huge fan services if you ask me.  Plus they've now played all but one song since MM joined and there's no reason to think they won't play it, just about spreading the love of the newer material over time.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on October 26, 2017, 03:24:29 PM
but, but, muh rotating setlists #MPWarriors

I'm really looking forward to next Saturday. So I know two surprise tunes and Images & Words, the rest will be a surprise. I like the static sets, especially the older they get, it's more of an assurance of a solid performance because they're playing them night after night. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, unless you've seen the band a hundred times :)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2017, 03:25:21 PM
It also appears that JP views Breaking All Illusions as THE MM Era classic.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
It also appears that JP views Breaking All Illusions as THE MM Era classic.

Yea, definitely seems that way, and it's hard to argue against that.

I think I'd still prefer the rotating setlist.  I love the feeling of not knowing what's going to be played next and it's a reason why I saw a band like 311 6 times last year and going for 5 times this year, that feeling of "whats next?" is really awesome at a concert.  Sure I could be like Kattelox and avoid the set, but this tours been a long one, I don't see how I can resist for so long.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2017, 03:33:18 PM
It also appears that JP views Breaking All Illusions as THE MM Era classic.

Yea, definitely seems that way, and it's hard to argue against that.

I think I'd still prefer the rotating setlist. 

I do too, actually. Makes collecting bootlegs a mute point now.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 03:40:54 PM
It also appears that JP views Breaking All Illusions as THE MM Era classic.

Yeah.  I think 3 of his favorite DT songs to play are TSCO, Breaking All Illusions, and TDEN.  Left to his own devices, I think those three would be in all DT sets in perpetuity.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
It also appears that JP views Breaking All Illusions as THE MM Era classic.

Yeah.  I think 3 of his favorite DT songs to play are TSCO, Breaking All Illusions, and TDEN.  Left to his own devices, I think those three would be in all DT sets in perpetuity.

He definitely seems to have an affinity to TSCO. And that's cool about TDEN. I get its criticisms but that song rocks.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
Yeah, whether one likes the song or not, it's hard to deny that the riffs are REALLY tasty, so it's gotta be a blast for a guitar player to play.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on October 26, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
I'd like to see You Not Me played live. Their live arrangement of it they did before was weird (Portnoy singing lead in the chorus while JLB sings high harmony? Huh?)

Yeah, that's on my checklist too.  The pre-desmond arrangement for You or Me is far superior, and would be a tasty rarity. 

Having seen Astonishing live in Los Angeles area three times already, I'm totally fine with replacing those songs.  As stated above Don't Look Past Me is a huge fan service!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ad134 on October 26, 2017, 05:02:22 PM
Ah man, it's a shame they probably won't be doing another Europe leg, I would kill to hear TLF alone, let alone DLPM as well!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: PetFish on October 26, 2017, 05:08:24 PM
I've been hoping for Don't Look Past Me ever since Cleaning Out the Closet.  So happy.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JoeMLennon on October 26, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
This is great thing.  Just bought tix to Albany show yesterday, and I almost didn't as I have the Astonishing 3x at this point.   Enough of the Astonishing already!    I have not heard those two songs much as I started with DT with Octavarium, Train of Thought, Six Degrees and SFAM and then everything else.  I hope they keep rotating some songs in and out from those albums to keep it interesting and a bit of a surprise for the audience at the show.  Astonishing I have seen plenty at this point that is for sure.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2017, 05:52:11 PM
As much as I like The Astonishing, it would not surprise me if songs from it are a rarity from this point forward. They have to know by now that the album had a very mixed reaction from fans, and with so many songs and albums to choose from, dipping into that album again might not happen very often.

JP mentioned to me a couple of months ago that he was thinking about doing this.  Or rather, he asked me what I thought the reaction would be if they decided to.  Obviously, my response was along the lines of:  "DO IT!!!!"

Just the fact that JP is willing to have this interaction with you (The Forum) is a great thing.

And also, if I may, since MP left, the only thing that went with him was really the Rotating Setlists and some (sometimes too forced) jams.

JP has done a masterful job creating the setlists since that first  2011 summer tour.

Amen to this.  The Portnoy fans can moan about the lack of rotating set lists all the live long day, but the band has done an excellent job with the set lists since 2011.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 26, 2017, 06:37:02 PM
Yup. Hopefully, the next tour will have no anniversary albums, concepts. Just full on random songs for both sets. The only time they had that since MP left was the A Dramatic Turn of Events tour.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: lonestar on October 26, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
It also appears that JP views Breaking All Illusions as THE MM Era classic.

I would honestly put it in my top ten DT songs overall, and for sure one of my favorite live tracks, it plays out so well with a live audience, especially in that first set closer spot. Just perfect for it.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 26, 2017, 06:59:25 PM
Hell yeah  :metal DLPM is one of my favourite DT songs, glad to see it in there. Sad to see the Astonishing songs go, but I'd honestly say it's worth it to finally hear DLPM live.  ;D
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 26, 2017, 07:01:40 PM
- Both were supposed to end up on IAW, were put aside in favour of AD and Surrounded

That's odd, I had always heard DLPM was supposed to be the opener before PMU was added at the last minute, I guess not then...  :justjen
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: rickhawk80 on October 26, 2017, 07:40:55 PM
LOVED to log in and see this news of new rarities seeing the light of day on this tour!!!  I was happy to witness The Astonishing Tour, and it worked well live, but I'm also fine to see The Astonishing songs get dropped if this is what we get in their place!!  Now I really can't wait until the Wichita show next week!!   :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 26, 2017, 08:39:06 PM
- Both were supposed to end up on IAW, were put aside in favour of AD and Surrounded
That's odd, I had always heard DLPM was supposed to be the opener before PMU was added at the last minute, I guess not then...  :justjen
PMU was never intended to be the opener, nor DLPM. The band always planned on Metropolis opening the album.

However, the label wanted PMU to open the album, and for it to be self-titled; the band disagreed with both. Eventually, a compromise was reached so that Metropolis and PMU were switched in the track order so that PMU would open the album, and the album title IaW was left as is.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
Thanks Scotty for the facts.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 26, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
- Both were supposed to end up on IAW, were put aside in favour of AD and Surrounded
That's odd, I had always heard DLPM was supposed to be the opener before PMU was added at the last minute, I guess not then...  :justjen
PMU was never intended to be the opener, nor DLPM. The band always planned on Metropolis opening the album.

However, the label wanted PMU to open the album, and for it to be self-titled; the band disagreed with both. Eventually, a compromise was reached so that Metropolis and PMU were switched in the track order so that PMU would open the album, and the album title IaW was left as is.

Alright, I guess I was wrong then.

That does raise an interesting question though. If every song that was intended to be on I&W made it onto the album, what order could the album flow in without feeling redundant?

This is how I'd do it:
Disc 1
1. Pull Me Under [8:14]
2. Another Day [4:23]
3. Take The Time [8:21]
4. Don't Look Past Me [6:25]
5. Surrounded [5:30]
6. To Live Forever [4:46]
7. Under A Glass Moon [7:03]
Total: 44:40
Disc 2:
1. Metropolis [9:32]
2. Wait For Sleep [2:30]
3. Learning To Live [11:30]
4. A Change of Seasons 1991 [17:43] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Arx3NbQnug)
Total: 41:15

Edit: Actually I'd probably switch around Surrounded & UAGM, but other than that I still stand by this.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 27, 2017, 01:05:31 AM
That's fine, I'd go for:

Disc 1

Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
To Live Forever
Under a Glass Moon
Don't Look Past Me
Surrounded

Disc 2

Metropolis pt 1
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
A Change of Seasons
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: noxon on October 27, 2017, 01:32:03 AM
To be fair, i dont think they ever intended TLF and DLPM to be on the album after they made AD and Surrounded. I don't think they were out to make a double album at all - at the time ACOS was 18 minutes long, which would've made an album that was 75 minutes long. (Awake was 75 minutes long, FII 78, SFAM 77, etc etc).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Architeuthis on October 27, 2017, 03:21:10 AM
Great to hear, and now I'm even more sad they are not coming to Seattle.
Agreed, it seems to be a common trend about bands skipping Seattle lately.. Everyone is playing Portland or Spokane even though Seattle has a bigger draw. Heck, Dream Theater is skipping the entire Northwest..
 It seems as though they've lost their heart on The Astonishing songs. No dvd of the tour, and now boycotting any of the songs on the set list.. Sadness! Shrug... :-\
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 27, 2017, 04:27:32 AM
The inclusion of Don't Look Past Me made me so happy. I'm so sad I won't be able to see this show! Now I have to cross my fingers and hope they will release one of these shows as a Christmas treat just like they did back in 2012.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2017, 07:02:24 AM
To be fair, i dont think they ever intended TLF and DLPM to be on the album after they made AD and Surrounded. I don't think they were out to make a double album at all - at the time ACOS was 18 minutes long, which would've made an album that was 75 minutes long. (Awake was 75 minutes long, FII 78, SFAM 77, etc etc).

I thought JP said in that recent youtube video interview that they did want a double disc and the record label shot that down and he admitted later on it was the right decision.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on October 27, 2017, 11:15:04 AM
To be fair, i dont think they ever intended TLF and DLPM to be on the album after they made AD and Surrounded. I don't think they were out to make a double album at all - at the time ACOS was 18 minutes long, which would've made an album that was 75 minutes long. (Awake was 75 minutes long, FII 78, SFAM 77, etc etc).

I thought JP said in that recent youtube video interview that they did want a double disc and the record label shot that down and he admitted later on it was the right decision.

Yeah, he said that here: https://youtu.be/condDYqAgZI?t=5m14s
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: wasteland on October 27, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
They did want it to be a double album, but as far as I know the "B-Side" was supposed to be just A Change Of Seasons.

Anyways, I concur with the previous posts complimenting JP and whoever else has provided input in the setlist making for the past 5-6 years. We got some of the absolute best sets in the history of the band, loads of fan service and all around a great deal of attention for the song placement ensuring an optimal flow of the show.

Anyways, here's my ultimate IAW era super-album:

Metropolis
Another Day
Don't Look Past Me
Take The Time
To Live Forever
Surrounded
Eve
Pull Me Under
Under A Glass Moon

A Change Of Seasons
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live

Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 27, 2017, 12:31:35 PM
Excited about the rarities being played, even though I love TA.

But Iíve never bothered to listen to either of them. Are there any good versions to check out so that Iím up to scratch for Chicago next week?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on October 27, 2017, 12:50:29 PM
That does raise an interesting question though. If every song that was intended to be on I&W made it onto the album, what order could the album flow in without feeling redundant?

This is how I'd do it:
Disc 1
1. Pull Me Under [8:14]
2. Another Day [4:23]
3. Take The Time [8:21]
4. Don't Look Past Me [6:25]
5. Surrounded [5:30]
6. To Live Forever [4:46]
7. Under A Glass Moon [7:03]
Total: 44:40
Disc 2:
1. Metropolis [9:32]
2. Wait For Sleep [2:30]
3. Learning To Live [11:30]
4. A Change of Seasons 1991 [17:43] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Arx3NbQnug)
Total: 41:15

Yeah, that's not a bad order at all.  The one slight change I would make is for the tape for Another Day to have mysteriously been "lost" so that, darn it, as much as that song should have made the album, it is instead lost, never to surface.  Oh well...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: sfam2112 on October 27, 2017, 01:09:27 PM
Probably obvious, but which version of TLF did they play? Which solo did JP play?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on October 27, 2017, 01:29:45 PM
Probably obvious, but which version of TLF did they play? Which solo did JP play?

Same as they played it on 2012, which is the one that ended up being released on Greatest Hit... and other 21 pretty cool songs.

PS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32JsXAXkRHI :tup
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: sfam2112 on October 27, 2017, 04:23:58 PM
Probably obvious, but which version of TLF did they play? Which solo did JP play?

Same as they played it on 2012, which is the one that ended up being released on Greatest Hit... and other 21 pretty cool songs.

PS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32JsXAXkRHI :tup

Thanks  :tup
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 27, 2017, 05:12:53 PM
Iím so excited about To Live Forever. One of my favorite DT songs.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pcs90 on October 27, 2017, 10:13:48 PM
This is awesome news. I'm only a little disappointed that they didn't do some sort of extended jam after TLF like in the 90s...but it's something!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TheAtliator on October 28, 2017, 01:28:41 AM
 :censored >:( :censored :censored

AGGH!!! The one time I decided not to go to a Dream Theater show here in LA. I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE GONE!!!!  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

That's awesome they played them  :)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 28, 2017, 04:17:45 AM
I'm getting tickets to the Toronto show today, after learning about these changes!

But looking at the video...Labrie seems a bit lost at the beginning of the song, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: DTA on October 28, 2017, 01:28:06 PM
Just bought a ticket for Philly after seeing these additions to the setlist. There's not many DT songs I haven't seen live yet, but this setlist alone will knock out 4 songs I've yet to see over the past 17 years since I first saw the M2000 tour (TLF, DLPM, TBP, and HK). Very cool of them to do. I've never been too upset by the lack of rotating setlists since I'll only wind up seeing one show anyway and they do an excellent job of switching it up from tour to tour. Rush annoyed me a bit on their 40th anniversary tour when they played One Little Victory instead of How It Is in Philly when I've seen OLV multiple times before.
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: bill1971 on October 29, 2017, 11:07:51 AM
I hate myself so much for not having a ticket for the LA show tonight. I've always adored that song. I may have even shed a fucking tear while watching that video.


IF I had bought a ticket, I would have not spoiled the setlist for myself, and then probably legit cry when they broke into it.

(I don't have a problem..)

 yeah I miss the LA show as well if it was on a Friday or weekend I might have tried to go but I've seen all the images and word song live over the years.  I did want to see the bigger picture and it would have been great to see don't look past me.  but about an hour and a half drive on a work night it's tough
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Cool Chris on October 29, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
Just saw this on setlist.fm: Portrait of Tracy - (Jaco Pastorius cover). I hate to be TAC, but who the hell is this, and why does he get cover time at a post-Portnoy DT concert?

Like the additions, not sure if I would have gone to a Seattle-area show before them, might have been more likely to go with them. But still, TDEN... ugh.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Adami on October 29, 2017, 03:31:00 PM
It's a 2 minute bass spot. If Petrucci and JR get leeway to do endless guitar/keyboard solo spots, then I don't see how a 2 minute bass spot is a big deal.

Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: SjundeInseglet on October 29, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
Just saw this on setlist.fm: Portrait of Tracy - (Jaco Pastorius cover). I hate to be TAC, but who the hell is this, and why does he get cover time at a post-Portnoy DT concert?

Jaco Pastorius was one of the most influential electric bass players that has ever lived. "Portrair of Tracy" is a short, solo piece for electric bass.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco_Pastorius
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Cool Chris on October 29, 2017, 06:30:34 PM
A 2 minute bass solo spot is far from a big deal. I am just curious who in the DT audience would recognize this piece. If I would be the only one who wouldn't, then the shame is on me.

Regardless, why not write your own bass solo?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pcs90 on October 29, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
A 2 minute bass solo spot is far from a big deal. I am just curious who in the DT audience would recognize this piece. If I would be the only one who wouldn't, then the shame is on me.

Regardless, why not write your own bass solo?

Those who listen to jazz, fusion, funk, etc will probably at least know who the guy is. And for those who don't, they can just enjoy the solo anyway. I guess I just don't see a problem with it...it's been there all tour in any case.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
Just saw this on setlist.fm: Portrait of Tracy - (Jaco Pastorius cover). I hate to be TAC, but who the hell is this, and why does he get cover time at a post-Portnoy DT concert?

 :omg:

I resemble this remark.  :lol

I'd rather hear Moon Bubbles.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Cool Chris on October 29, 2017, 08:58:49 PM
I guess I would just be less impressed if I heard some random bass solo, the later found out "Oh yeah, Myung didn't write that, some jazz dude did." I am pretty critical of them doing all their covers, homages, tributes, etc.... so that is part of it as well.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on October 29, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Another video of DLPM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ44FAZRlTA
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 29, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
DLPM and To Live Forever were way worth it.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Herrick on October 29, 2017, 10:34:50 PM
Well this is interesting. I'll be seeing them in New York Shitty on November 16. I've never even heard of the song Don't Look Past Me. I'm listening to it now and it's not doing much for me. To Live Forever is all right. I think I'd rather hear the two songs from The Astonishing but it's no big deal.

Edit: Gzarruck cool thanks for posting that video. The drum triggers weren't cool but leaving A Change of Seasons off the album was sure as shit the right move. Now we have the far superior version.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2017, 06:40:23 AM
I have to give credit to Petrucci on this. I don't know if I just thought about it, or I actually posted it, but when someone before the tour started theorized about Don't Look Past Me being part of the set, my idea was that the only person keen on the idea, or that actually remembers the song even existed, is out of the band since 2010, but I was gladly proven wrong  :coolio

Well, not so gladly - I didn't see it live  :D
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Renzo on October 31, 2017, 04:35:57 AM
That's fine, I'd go for:

Disc 1

Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
To Live Forever
Under a Glass Moon
Don't Look Past Me
Surrounded

Disc 2

Metropolis pt 1
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
A Change of Seasons

Disc I:

Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
To Live Forever
Surrounded
Don't Look Past Me

Disc II:

Metropolis
A Change of Seasons
Under a Glass Moon
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 31, 2017, 04:57:45 AM
Updating mine slightly

Disc 1:
1. Pull Me Under
2. Don't Look Past Me
3. Take The Time
4. To Live Forever
5. Another Day
6. Under A Glass Moon
7. Surrounded

Disc 2:
1. Metropolis
2. Wait For Sleep
3. Learning To Live
4. A Change Of Seasons
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 01, 2017, 07:59:25 AM
IIRC, when the band did a live Q&A around the time DT12 was released, somebody asked Jordan why Eve and Anna Lee (songs played by the previous two keyboardists) have never been played during all his time as a member of DT. He answered, with some sarcasm, something along the lines of "There must be a reason neither song has been played for all these years, don't you think?".

Yeah, that was me lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 03, 2017, 09:25:16 AM
IIRC, when the band did a live Q&A around the time DT12 was released, somebody asked Jordan why Eve and Anna Lee (songs played by the previous two keyboardists) have never been played during all his time as a member of DT. He answered, with some sarcasm, something along the lines of "There must be a reason neither song has been played for all these years, don't you think?".

Yeah, that was me lol


Wait...

YOU'RE the reason Anna Lee and Eve haven't been played?

Dude, what did you do to piss off the band??
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 03, 2017, 09:27:08 AM
IIRC, when the band did a live Q&A around the time DT12 was released, somebody asked Jordan why Eve and Anna Lee (songs played by the previous two keyboardists) have never been played during all his time as a member of DT. He answered, with some sarcasm, something along the lines of "There must be a reason neither song has been played for all these years, don't you think?".

Yeah, that was me lol


Wait...

YOU'RE the reason Anna Lee and Eve haven't been played?

Dude, what did you do to piss off the band??

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 03, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
I went to the 10/26 show in LA.  I had seen Petrucci's post before the Oakland show about a couple of surprises in the setlist, so I checked setlist.fm and saw that they had replaced the Astonishing songs with TLF and DLPM.  I had seen TLF played several times back in 92-93.  I didn't know any of the history of the song at the time, and it always seemed like an unfinished song.  Never really impressed me, and while I expected a finished version of the song on Awake or FII, it didn't really surprise me that it never made the cut.  As far as DLPM, I was aware that it existed from the "Cleaning Out The Closet" CD, but I never actually listened to it.  A version appears on the I&W demos CD, which I bought about 5 years ago, but I can't say I really spent time listening to it.  If I hadn't looked at setlist.fm, I wouldn't have known what song it was.  The performance in LA wasn't terribly impressive, but I'll go back and check it out at some point.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 03, 2017, 10:45:42 AM
Just saw this on setlist.fm: Portrait of Tracy - (Jaco Pastorius cover). I hate to be TAC, but who the hell is this, and why does he get cover time at a post-Portnoy DT concert?

"Who the hell is" Jaco Pastorius?  I can see not knowing Portrait of Tracy, but please tell me the sarcasm font was on there.

It was a GREAT cover, by the way, although I wished JM would've busted out a fretless bass for it.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Cool Chris on November 03, 2017, 05:02:45 PM
No sarcasm, never heard of him.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: ytserush on November 03, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
It's a 2 minute bass spot. If Petrucci and JR get leeway to do endless guitar/keyboard solo spots, then I don't see how a 2 minute bass spot is a big deal.

If I do end up going, this solo will be a fairly major reason I change my mind.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 04, 2017, 04:17:07 AM
No sarcasm, never heard of him.

He was great, and probably the biggest example of "troubled genius" you'll ever find. He played with Weather Report and released a few solo albums. Geddy is also a fan, and Robert Trujillo sponsored a documentary about him which is a nice watch, although a bit sad. I think you can find it on YouTube.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: rickhawk80 on November 04, 2017, 07:34:57 AM
For me, the Jaco cover was a wonderful spotlight for Myung during the Wichita show.  :tup  Loved it!!  I thought all of the solos were well done this time.  Mangini ran on a bit for me, but then again I'm a guitarist and bassist, not a drummer.   ;D
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: SjundeInseglet on November 04, 2017, 10:18:39 AM
No sarcasm, never heard of him.

He was great, and probably the biggest example of "troubled genius" you'll ever find. He played with Weather Report and released a few solo albums. Geddy is also a fan, and Robert Trujillo sponsored a documentary about him which is a nice watch, although a bit sad. I think you can find it on YouTube.

He also had a fruitful collaboration with Joni Mitchell that yielded some of Joni's most compelling (and forward-thinking) albums. He is also featured on Pat Metheny's solo debut for ECM, "Bright Size Life" and played with John McLaughlin in the Trio of Doom sessions. Jaco is a legend and arguably one of the most important electric bass players that have ever picked up the instrument.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Cool Chris on November 04, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
Never heard of Weather Report. Not sure why you would name your band after the most boring part of the TV newscast. Heard of the other people though, except thought John McLaughlin was that old guy who hosted that political round table show.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: rickhawk80 on November 04, 2017, 01:40:20 PM
Never heard of Weather Report. Not sure why you would name your band after the most boring part of the TV newscast. Heard of the other people though, except thought John McLaughlin was that old guy who hosted that political round table show.

 :facepalm: :facepalm:  You need to get out more!   :D
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on November 05, 2017, 09:02:34 AM
They played To Live Forever in Peoria last night. :hefdaddy

AMAZING setlist this tour!!
Title: Re: Don't Look Past Those Songs!
Post by: ToT-147 on November 05, 2017, 09:49:30 AM
I'm glad JP finally brought it out. I've mentioned it to him in the past as one of the few songs to never have been played.

I think all that leaves now is Raw Dog.

I do believe theres two more thats never been performed live: Best of Times and Surrender to Reason.

... and False Awakening Suite..
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 05, 2017, 12:02:11 PM
Holy crap guys...10th time seeing Dream Theater last night and I have to say this was probably the 2nd best show of theirs I have seen (1st leg of Dramatic Tour of Events tops it).  I actually wasn't excited for the show hardly at all.  I mainly went because it was the closest they have ever played.  My fandom had waned thanks to The Astonishing.  I still respected the band but that album was just not for me at all.  This show, however, epitomizes what I love about Dream Theater so I am back to being psyched for their next album.  Sucks we will have to wait two years for it. 

A few thoughts:

They may have a static setlist but it didn't feel static at all.  There were a bunch of spots where it seemed like they improvised.  Who knows?  Maybe those spots were meticulously rehearsed but it felt somewhat spontaneous.  They played I&W in order but had a few spots where they deviated from the song.  It worked awesomely.  My one complaint about the When Dream and Day Reunite show was that they did everything exactly as it was on the album EXCEPT The Killing Hand.  I think you either need to switch it up alot or not at all. DT did it just enough to where it was very interesting and unpredictable but not so much that you'll be pissed off if you just went to hear the album. 

It seems like at the age of 54, LaBrie's voice is finally giving him fits that all aging vocalist experience.  Even Alice Cooper who is not known for doing challenging vocal music needs to tune down and make some changes to his style.  There were a few songs where James noticeably struggled and didn't sound great and then it was followed up by a song where he just fucking nails it!  Because he can't hit some of the notes he did a lot of improvising which at times sounded odd and then other times worked well.  Any complaints I have about his performance was made up by his stage presence.  Lots of banter and interaction with the band members and the audience.  He was fun as hell to watch. 

When introducing John Myung, James said something along the lines of what a great guy he is, etc.  Then he said, "Let me tell ya, if you sit down and talk with this guy....you leave the discussion and your mind is all fucked up."  John cracked a small smile while the audience's reaction ranged from confusion to hysterical laughter. 

Later John Petrucci took the mic and spoke in his youtube "pycho exercises" voice and James and him shared a story about Kevin Moore getting a speeding ticket in Montana.

Near the beginning of the show Jordan actually took the mic and James said something along the lines of "making history tonight" and I thought Jordan was going to sing.  No, he just asked the audience, "How many people here are actually from Peoria?"  A few hands shot up and he responded, "Okay.  1%" and then took his spot back at the keyboards.

Lastly I will say this.  If anybody still doubts Mangini's place in the band, last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is *the* drummer of Dream Theater.  You couldn't have seen his performance and said he doesn't play with feel or he isn't a blast to watch.  He and Jordan had a weird exchange where Mike started pointing his stick at Jordan and Jordan slowly crouched down behind his keyboard stand.  Jordan then came back up, moved over by the drum set and played keyboards while messing adding some additional cymbal work.

All in all they played more like a band than at any other time I have seen them in the last 17 years.  Do not miss this tour. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 05, 2017, 12:17:27 PM
Nice read Madman! I too had a very pleasant experience seeing them, it all seemed fresh and exciting. 5 awesome musicians having a blast together  :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on November 05, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
The line about Myung had me laughing all night  :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 05, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
Myung actually spoke at the Chicago show. When introducing the Jaco cover, James was listing some of Myungís influences and he was like ďWhat else, John?Ē And gave the mic to him and he just said ďItís all on WikipediaĒ lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 05, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
Holy crap guys...10th time seeing Dream Theater last night and I have to say this was probably the 2nd best show of theirs I have seen (1st leg of Dramatic Tour of Events tops it).  I actually wasn't excited for the show hardly at all.  I mainly went because it was the closest they have ever played.  My fandom had waned thanks to The Astonishing.  I still respected the band but that album was just not for me at all.  This show, however, epitomizes what I love about Dream Theater so I am back to being psyched for their next album.  Sucks we will have to wait two years for it. 

A few thoughts:

They may have a static setlist but it didn't feel static at all.  There were a bunch of spots where it seemed like they improvised.  Who knows?  Maybe those spots were meticulously rehearsed but it felt somewhat spontaneous.  They played I&W in order but had a few spots where they deviated from the song.  It worked awesomely.  My one complaint about the When Dream and Day Reunite show was that they did everything exactly as it was on the album EXCEPT The Killing Hand.  I think you either need to switch it up alot or not at all. DT did it just enough to where it was very interesting and unpredictable but not so much that you'll be pissed off if you just went to hear the album. 

It seems like at the age of 54, LaBrie's voice is finally giving him fits that all aging vocalist experience.  Even Alice Cooper who is not known for doing challenging vocal music needs to tune down and make some changes to his style.  There were a few songs where James noticeably struggled and didn't sound great and then it was followed up by a song where he just fucking nails it!  Because he can't hit some of the notes he did a lot of improvising which at times sounded odd and then other times worked well.  Any complaints I have about his performance was made up by his stage presence.  Lots of banter and interaction with the band members and the audience.  He was fun as hell to watch. 

When introducing John Myung, James said something along the lines of what a great guy he is, etc.  Then he said, "Let me tell ya, if you sit down and talk with this guy....you leave the discussion and your mind is all fucked up."  John cracked a small smile while the audience's reaction ranged from confusion to hysterical laughter. 

Later John Petrucci took the mic and spoke in his youtube "pycho exercises" voice and James and him shared a story about Kevin Moore getting a speeding ticket in Montana.

Near the beginning of the show Jordan actually took the mic and James said something along the lines of "making history tonight" and I thought Jordan was going to sing.  No, he just asked the audience, "How many people here are actually from Peoria?"  A few hands shot up and he responded, "Okay.  1%" and then took his spot back at the keyboards.

Lastly I will say this.  If anybody still doubts Mangini's place in the band, last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is *the* drummer of Dream Theater.  You couldn't have seen his performance and said he doesn't play with feel or he isn't a blast to watch.  He and Jordan had a weird exchange where Mike started pointing his stick at Jordan and Jordan slowly crouched down behind his keyboard stand.  Jordan then came back up, moved over by the drum set and played keyboards while messing adding some additional cymbal work.

All in all they played more like a band than at any other time I have seen them in the last 17 years.  Do not miss this tour.

What an unreal experience that must've been! :metal


Myung actually spoke at the Chicago show. When introducing the Jaco cover, James was listing some of Myungís influences and he was like ďWhat else, John?Ē And gave the mic to him and he just said ďItís all on WikipediaĒ lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Mladen on November 06, 2017, 01:23:14 AM
Hilarious stuff.  :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: ToT-147 on November 06, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
Myung actually spoke at the Chicago show. When introducing the Jaco cover, James was listing some of Myungís influences and he was like ďWhat else, John?Ē And gave the mic to him and he just said ďItís all on WikipediaĒ lol

 :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bill1971 on November 06, 2017, 12:20:13 PM
Holy crap guys...10th time seeing Dream Theater last night and I have to say this was probably the 2nd best show of theirs I have seen (1st leg of Dramatic Tour of Events tops it).  I actually wasn't excited for the show hardly at all.  I mainly went because it was the closest they have ever played.  My fandom had waned thanks to The Astonishing.  I still respected the band but that album was just not for me at all.  This show, however, epitomizes what I love about Dream Theater so I am back to being psyched for their next album.  Sucks we will have to wait two years for it. 

A few thoughts:

They may have a static setlist but it didn't feel static at all.  There were a bunch of spots where it seemed like they improvised.  Who knows?  Maybe those spots were meticulously rehearsed but it felt somewhat spontaneous.  They played I&W in order but had a few spots where they deviated from the song.  It worked awesomely.  My one complaint about the When Dream and Day Reunite show was that they did everything exactly as it was on the album EXCEPT The Killing Hand.  I think you either need to switch it up alot or not at all. DT did it just enough to where it was very interesting and unpredictable but not so much that you'll be pissed off if you just went to hear the album. 

It seems like at the age of 54, LaBrie's voice is finally giving him fits that all aging vocalist experience.  Even Alice Cooper who is not known for doing challenging vocal music needs to tune down and make some changes to his style.  There were a few songs where James noticeably struggled and didn't sound great and then it was followed up by a song where he just fucking nails it!  Because he can't hit some of the notes he did a lot of improvising which at times sounded odd and then other times worked well.  Any complaints I have about his performance was made up by his stage presence.  Lots of banter and interaction with the band members and the audience.  He was fun as hell to watch. 

When introducing John Myung, James said something along the lines of what a great guy he is, etc.  Then he said, "Let me tell ya, if you sit down and talk with this guy....you leave the discussion and your mind is all fucked up."  John cracked a small smile while the audience's reaction ranged from confusion to hysterical laughter. 

Later John Petrucci took the mic and spoke in his youtube "pycho exercises" voice and James and him shared a story about Kevin Moore getting a speeding ticket in Montana.

Near the beginning of the show Jordan actually took the mic and James said something along the lines of "making history tonight" and I thought Jordan was going to sing.  No, he just asked the audience, "How many people here are actually from Peoria?"  A few hands shot up and he responded, "Okay.  1%" and then took his spot back at the keyboards.

Lastly I will say this.  If anybody still doubts Mangini's place in the band, last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is *the* drummer of Dream Theater.  You couldn't have seen his performance and said he doesn't play with feel or he isn't a blast to watch.  He and Jordan had a weird exchange where Mike started pointing his stick at Jordan and Jordan slowly crouched down behind his keyboard stand.  Jordan then came back up, moved over by the drum set and played keyboards while messing adding some additional cymbal work.

All in all they played more like a band than at any other time I have seen them in the last 17 years.  Do not miss this tour.

James should have said Jordan what you doing? Jordan should have said Making History and you?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 06, 2017, 04:08:46 PM
Holy crap guys...10th time seeing Dream Theater last night and I have to say this was probably the 2nd best show of theirs I have seen (1st leg of Dramatic Tour of Events tops it).  I actually wasn't excited for the show hardly at all.  I mainly went because it was the closest they have ever played.  My fandom had waned thanks to The Astonishing.  I still respected the band but that album was just not for me at all.  This show, however, epitomizes what I love about Dream Theater so I am back to being psyched for their next album.  Sucks we will have to wait two years for it. 

A few thoughts:

They may have a static setlist but it didn't feel static at all.  There were a bunch of spots where it seemed like they improvised.  Who knows?  Maybe those spots were meticulously rehearsed but it felt somewhat spontaneous.  They played I&W in order but had a few spots where they deviated from the song.  It worked awesomely.  My one complaint about the When Dream and Day Reunite show was that they did everything exactly as it was on the album EXCEPT The Killing Hand.  I think you either need to switch it up alot or not at all. DT did it just enough to where it was very interesting and unpredictable but not so much that you'll be pissed off if you just went to hear the album. 

It seems like at the age of 54, LaBrie's voice is finally giving him fits that all aging vocalist experience.  Even Alice Cooper who is not known for doing challenging vocal music needs to tune down and make some changes to his style.  There were a few songs where James noticeably struggled and didn't sound great and then it was followed up by a song where he just fucking nails it!  Because he can't hit some of the notes he did a lot of improvising which at times sounded odd and then other times worked well.  Any complaints I have about his performance was made up by his stage presence.  Lots of banter and interaction with the band members and the audience.  He was fun as hell to watch. 

When introducing John Myung, James said something along the lines of what a great guy he is, etc.  Then he said, "Let me tell ya, if you sit down and talk with this guy....you leave the discussion and your mind is all fucked up."  John cracked a small smile while the audience's reaction ranged from confusion to hysterical laughter. 

Later John Petrucci took the mic and spoke in his youtube "pycho exercises" voice and James and him shared a story about Kevin Moore getting a speeding ticket in Montana.

Near the beginning of the show Jordan actually took the mic and James said something along the lines of "making history tonight" and I thought Jordan was going to sing.  No, he just asked the audience, "How many people here are actually from Peoria?"  A few hands shot up and he responded, "Okay.  1%" and then took his spot back at the keyboards.

Lastly I will say this.  If anybody still doubts Mangini's place in the band, last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is *the* drummer of Dream Theater.  You couldn't have seen his performance and said he doesn't play with feel or he isn't a blast to watch.  He and Jordan had a weird exchange where Mike started pointing his stick at Jordan and Jordan slowly crouched down behind his keyboard stand.  Jordan then came back up, moved over by the drum set and played keyboards while messing adding some additional cymbal work.

All in all they played more like a band than at any other time I have seen them in the last 17 years.  Do not miss this tour.

James should have said Jordan what you doing? Jordan should have said Making History and you?

 :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :rollin

Oh man, missed opportunity. 

btw, Jordan did the Zen Riffer solo thing but it was an ipad instead of the keytar thing.  My friend and I started chanting, "i-pad, i-pad!!"
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 07, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
A couple more random thoughts:

Am I the only person who thinks JM's bass tone is TERRIBLE?  It worked well on Portrait of Tracy, but it renders everything else he plays garbled and incomprehensible.  Maybe it was just where I sat (balcony at the Wiltern Theatre), but I couldn't pick him out at all except for a couple spots in Take the Time and UAGM.  His tapping solo in Metropolis was a distorted mess.  To be honest, I thought the live mix was not very good.  The drums were WAY too loud, so everything else had to be loud to match, and I assume that's why JM used the heavily distorted tone.  Otherwise he'd be inaudible, but I'm not sure which is worse.  Other bands have no problem mixing all the instruments so that the bass is clearly heard.  Rush and Iron Maiden come immediately to mind.

James's adjustments -- especially in the older songs with more challenging high parts were a bit hit or miss.  You'd think this would be well rehearsed, but it seems like there were a few places where he "winged" it depending on how he felt that night.  I think as they move forward over the next several years, he'll get better at this, and I don't mind the adjustments if they're well thought out and well executed.  James did, however, do a remarkably good job with the high F# in learning to Live.

The story about Kevin Moore getting the speeding ticket in Montana seems to be part of James's regular banter, but several of the other things mentioned by Madman Shepherd were different than from the show I saw.  James's banter has always seemed a bit awkward, but that's not why I love DT.

Finally, count me among those who HATED the rotating set lists.  I think it was on the Prog Nation 2008 tour that I had seen a set list from an earlier show, only to be very disappointed with the set list at the show I attended.  Of course, in fairness, part of the reason I was disappointed with that show was because the set was so short.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 07, 2017, 06:01:11 PM
I think the bass tone might have just been where you were sitting. Sounded good to me in the 6th row. 

I love LaBrie's awkward stage banter.  Very Canadian sense of humor.  He also introduced one song by saying, "This next one is called Moonshine...over....the great.....ummm, Moonshine Over the Great Lakes.  Is that what its called?"  Or something like that. 

Just some goofy, dry humor...my favorite kind. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 07, 2017, 09:44:24 PM
I don't think Myung's tone is terrible, but I've never been a fan of the Music Man bass sound, so I don't like it either. I think his tone was much better around FII/SFAM/SDOIT era, where he used the first version of his Yamaha signature bass.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pcs90 on November 08, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
I don't think Myung's tone is terrible, but I've never been a fan of the Music Man bass sound, so I don't like it either. I think his tone was much better around FII/SFAM/SDOIT era, where he used the first version of his Yamaha signature bass.
Agreed, his earlier tones were much better.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 08, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
I think the bass tone might have just been where you were sitting. Sounded good to me in the 6th row.

I suppose that's possible.  Things have changed significantly over time, and I have sat everywhere from front row to the balcony, but I don't recall ever seeing a live rendition of Metropolis Part 1 where JM's solo was both sufficiently loud and not overly distorted.  This goes all the way back to the first DT show I saw at a little club where I stood no more than 20 feet from JM and could see his hands on the fretboard but could barely hear what he was playing.  I likewise agree that his earlier tones were better and were best when he was using the Yamaha, which I have one of (albeit not the signature model) and LOVE it.

I also enjoy James's banter, and it seems there was a bit more "storytelling" this time, which makes sense given the nature of the tour.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 01:07:01 PM
I loved Myung's bass sound on Images & Words... There have been a lot of other songs throughout their career that I've noticed the bass sounds great, but that's the only record where I actively enjoy seeking out the bass line. Tasty stuff.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 08, 2017, 01:10:08 PM
I loved Myung's bass sound on Images & Words... There have been a lot of other songs throughout their career that I've noticed the bass sounds great, but that's the only record where I actively enjoy seeking out the bass line. Tasty stuff.

For sure.  On the albums the sound is great, although occasionally buried in the mix.  I remember being surprised at that first show to see how active he was because a lot of what he's playing is buried.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Herrick on November 08, 2017, 09:22:47 PM
It seems like at the age of 54, LaBrie's voice is finally giving him fits that all aging vocalist experience.  Even Alice Cooper who is not known for doing challenging vocal music needs to tune down and make some changes to his style.  There were a few songs where James noticeably struggled and didn't sound great and then it was followed up by a song where he just fucking nails it!  Because he can't hit some of the notes he did a lot of improvising which at times sounded odd and then other times worked well.  Any complaints I have about his performance was made up by his stage presence.  Lots of banter and interaction with the band members and the audience.  He was fun as hell to watch. 

Next week, I'll be seeing them for the first time. I don't know why I waited 16 years to see them. I've watched a lot of live stuff online throughout the years including this current tour. LaBrie has had problems for a long time now. I don't know why he never worked out some permanent alterations to the challenging vocal stuff.

I'm betting I'll be too excited up and intoxicated to notice any struggling vocals though.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 08, 2017, 10:02:48 PM
When your voice is so delicate it can be temperamental from day to day. I mean I get what you're saying but also I think it really just is a matter of one night being able to hit certain notes and another night thinking he can't do it so he improvises on the spot. To be honest it was a little entertaining trying to figure out how he was going to change it up. Ronnie James Dio used to drive me nuts by doing that. This was my 10th time seeing Dream Theater so it actually made it a little bit more entertaining. I mean I saw James before where he nailed every single song and every single note but he also hardly had any interaction with the crowd. I mean I think we know why that changed six years ago. So anyway I've got the best of both worlds. I've seen him when he Nails it but has little interaction and I seen it where he struggles and has a ton of interaction and better stage presence. Of course I would prefer the sweet spot in the middle. I think that's where he was on the dramatic turn of events tour and the along for the ride tour. Actually those were a little bit better than the middle. Some decent interaction and nailed almost every song with minor adjustments.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: erwinrafael on November 09, 2017, 12:17:06 AM
I loved Myung's bass sound on Images & Words... There have been a lot of other songs throughout their career that I've noticed the bass sounds great, but that's the only record where I actively enjoy seeking out the bass line. Tasty stuff.

Really? Falling Into Infinity is Myung's best album. :)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2017, 08:18:34 AM
I loved Myung's bass sound on Images & Words... There have been a lot of other songs throughout their career that I've noticed the bass sounds great, but that's the only record where I actively enjoy seeking out the bass line. Tasty stuff.

Really? Falling Into Infinity is Myung's best album. :)

I don't disagree with that, his tone and mix on FII were excellent!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on November 09, 2017, 08:30:24 AM
I like what he did (and what the bass sounds like) on songs like Take the Time though. Nothing else like it in DT's repertoire.  :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2017, 09:28:00 AM
When introducing John Myung, James said something along the lines of what a great guy he is, etc.  Then he said, "Let me tell ya, if you sit down and talk with this guy....you leave the discussion and your mind is all fucked up."  John cracked a small smile while the audience's reaction ranged from confusion to hysterical laughter. 

Later John Petrucci took the mic and spoke in his youtube "pycho exercises" voice and James and him shared a story about Kevin Moore getting a speeding ticket in Montana.

I know you didn't mean it this way, but reading your post, I almost got the impression that after James' attempt at humor got mixed results, JP snatched the mic from him and starting doing his own thing.  :lol

Regarding the posts about Myung's tone, I can sympathize.  I haven't been vocal about it, but I have had problems with it for the longest time now.  I thought he had fantastic tone through Six Degrees.  Then when they went for super heavy on TOT, I noticed a huge demarcation there from what had set him apart.  It wasn't everywhere on that album.  But that was the start.  And it seemed like the garbled, over-distorted tone became more over-distorted and more ubiquitous with almost every album after that.  It's a shame because he still always delivers some really great playing.  But a lot of times, it is difficult to discern because it isn't nearly as clean as his playing was in the past. 

Lastly I will say this.  If anybody still doubts Mangini's place in the band, last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is *the* drummer of Dream Theater.  You couldn't have seen his performance and said he doesn't play with feel or he isn't a blast to watch.

Yeah, I have felt that ever since seeing them on the ADTOE tour.  I saw them twice that tour, once on the AFTR tour, and twice on the TA tour, and that has been reinforced every time.  I only wish the mix was better on the studio albums.  Listening to the Sons of Apollo album, I am AGAIN reminded that, while the drums being so upfront may be offputting to some, Portnoy really has a great feel for how to make his drums sound HUGE on tape and to provide so much clarity that you can hear every subtle little hit on every piece of the kit.  The drum mix hasn't been the same since Portnoy left, and I find that to be a downer.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pcs90 on November 09, 2017, 12:28:14 PM
Agreed about Portnoy's drum sound and mix. Mangini's playing style but with Portnoy's kit  and recording quality would be a winner!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
I think Mangini's kick drums sound better than Portnoy's, though. MP's tend to get lost in the mix, specially when he plays fast.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Evai on November 09, 2017, 05:17:35 PM
The drums just need to be turned up a bit, Portnoy would've sounded weak too, if he'd been mixed as quiet as MM
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 10, 2017, 01:05:04 AM
When introducing John Myung, James said something along the lines of what a great guy he is, etc.  Then he said, "Let me tell ya, if you sit down and talk with this guy....you leave the discussion and your mind is all fucked up."  John cracked a small smile while the audience's reaction ranged from confusion to hysterical laughter. 

Later John Petrucci took the mic and spoke in his youtube "pycho exercises" voice and James and him shared a story about Kevin Moore getting a speeding ticket in Montana.

I know you didn't mean it this way, but reading your post, I almost got the impression that after James' attempt at humor got mixed results, JP snatched the mic from him and starting doing his own thing.  :lol

haha, no.  JP interupted James during the Kevin Moore speeding ticket story.  That does remind me of a time a few years ago where James was talking and John sort of ominously walked up to him and James stopped what he was saying and said, "Uh oh, am I about to be pummeled?"  John and him exchanged a few words and James said, "No you say it" so John said, "How 'bout dem Bears?"






Lastly I will say this.  If anybody still doubts Mangini's place in the band, last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is *the* drummer of Dream Theater.  You couldn't have seen his performance and said he doesn't play with feel or he isn't a blast to watch.

Yeah, I have felt that ever since seeing them on the ADTOE tour.  I saw them twice that tour, once on the AFTR tour, and twice on the TA tour, and that has been reinforced every time. 

Same here.  He has always seemed comfortable, excited, and full of passion each time I've seen DT but there was something about this last show where he just sort of felt the last chain was off.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Mladen on November 10, 2017, 01:17:17 AM
Some truly fantastic footage of Don't look past me from a day or two ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 10, 2017, 06:47:19 PM
Some truly fantastic footage of Don't look past me from a day or two ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc

Great video!

I had forgotten James got a tattoo before this leg of the tour, so I saw it there and was like what the... :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 11, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
Some truly fantastic footage of Don't look past me from a day or two ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc

Holy sh*t, that was awesome!!!!!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Herrick on November 11, 2017, 11:45:55 PM
Some truly fantastic footage of Don't look past me from a day or two ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc

I thought they were tuning down for the songs in that era.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 13, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
JM's bass tone has always been fine on the albums.  I'd love it to be more prominent in the mix, but I usually feel that way about the bass.  It's the live tone and mixing that has never been done well IMO.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 13, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
Saw the Toronto show last night...at some point, James started to tell stories about the I&W recordings and tour, and about the time he joined the band. He said that "back then we all had jobs. John taught guitar, and Mike...what did Mike do? I think he sold pot!"

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 13, 2017, 07:42:53 PM
Saw the Toronto show last night...at some point, James started to tell stories about the I&W recordings and tour, and about the time he joined the band. He said that "back then we all had jobs. John taught guitar, and Mike...what did Mike do? I think he sold pot!"

 :D :D :D

 :rollin
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 13, 2017, 10:07:35 PM
Saw the Toronto show last night...at some point, James started to tell stories about the I&W recordings and tour, and about the time he joined the band. He said that "back then we all had jobs. John taught guitar, and Mike...what did Mike do? I think he sold pot!"

 :D :D :D

 :rollin

Dude, he was a chinese food delivery driver! Don't you read the liner notes to the Ytsejam releases JAMES?!

From memory, Petrucci also worked at a deli and Myung moved equipment. 

Curious what Kevin and James did....

Oh, and Charlie played weddings and stuff including Mike Portnoy's. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 14, 2017, 04:47:37 AM
I read that too...maybe "Chinese food" was a slang for pot back then!?!?!

 :rollin
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 14, 2017, 04:58:10 AM
By the way, here's my review of the Toronto show - unfortunately, in Portuguese only:

https://whiplash.net/materias/shows/273708-dreamtheater.html
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 14, 2017, 07:56:07 AM
When James was talking about their day jobs he called over to John (who was off stage) to ask about Mike's and someone in the crowd shouted out "he sold drugs" so James said "yeah, he sold cannabis."
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Kattelox on November 14, 2017, 09:11:32 AM
When James was talking about their day jobs he called over to John (who was off stage) to ask about Mike's and someone in the crowd shouted out "he sold drugs" so James said "yeah, he sold cannabis."

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2017, 01:37:23 PM
When James was talking about their day jobs he called over to John (who was off stage) to ask about Mike's and someone in the crowd shouted out "he sold drugs" so James said "yeah, he sold cannabis."

 :lol his facebook post after the denver show was funny, saying along the lines of it was nice to smell the cannabis during the concert.  Having recently been to a concert in Denver, it really is noticeable (which I have no issue with).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 14, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
When James was talking about their day jobs he called over to John (who was off stage) to ask about Mike's and someone in the crowd shouted out "he sold drugs" so James said "yeah, he sold cannabis."

 :lol his facebook post after the denver show was funny, saying along the lines of it was nice to smell the cannabis during the concert.  Having recently been to a concert in Denver, it really is noticeable (which I have no issue with).

Last time I drove through Colorado, I was in the southern part so it was essentially the desert.  Stereotypical western towns, lots of pickup trucks, etc.  When we checked into our hotel there was a big sign prominently on display saying something like, "MARIJUANA IS PROHIBITED ON THIS PREMISES" and in addition to initialing the typical "I will not smoke in this room" I had to initial an "I will not possess nor smoke marijuana in the room." It took me a second to realize why this was added to the typical room contract and then I was like, "Oh yeah, Colorado."
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: ToT-147 on November 15, 2017, 08:36:28 AM
Saw the Toronto show last night...at some point, James started to tell stories about the I&W recordings and tour, and about the time he joined the band. He said that "back then we all had jobs. John taught guitar, and Mike...what did Mike do? I think he sold pot!"

 :D :D :D

 :rollin

Dude, he was a chinese food delivery driver! Don't you read the liner notes to the Ytsejam releases JAMES?!

You're saying "dude" to James?..  :lol That's even funnier than the joke about MP.. Because, just in case, that's all what it was.. Just some random stuff that singers use to come up with in stage to not repeat the same words over and over again.... I relive the moment ;)



A joke probably based in James' oblivion (not the song :D) that MP fanboys and/or JLB haters might hate... but just a joke at the end of the day..
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 15, 2017, 10:33:07 PM
No "Don't Look Past Me" tonight in Boston. I had seen on Facebook that they were playing it and was super pumped about seeing it. Looking now at setlist.fm, it's the only show they haven't played it, and they didn't even replace it with anything. I'm literally heartbroken over this... There's no way they'll ever bring this song back out on tour, and they just skipped right over it. I'm at a loss, and very confused. To be honest, this may have been the best DT I've seen in person since Radio City, but to know that they skipped what would be only chance to see one of the rarest DT songs in the catalog puts a bitter taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 15, 2017, 10:49:27 PM
No "Don't Look Past Me" tonight in Boston. I had seen on Facebook that they were playing it and was super pumped about seeing it. Looking now at setlist.fm, it's the only show they haven't played it, and they didn't even replace it with anything. I'm literally heartbroken over this... There's no way they'll ever bring this song back out on tour, and they just skipped right over it. I'm at a loss, and very confused. To be honest, this may have been the best DT I've seen in person since Radio City, but to know that they skipped what would be only chance to see one of the rarest DT songs in the catalog puts a bitter taste in my mouth.

Oh man... I feel your pain! I saw a concert on the Along for the Ride tour where they had technical difficulties and didn't play Illumination Theory...the crowd was so upset!!! Luckily I saw there more shows on that tour, but those who only saw that one were left with a sour taste in their mouths.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Mladen on November 16, 2017, 02:02:22 AM
That's too bad. I would also be disappointed for a while.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JoeMLennon on November 16, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
No "Don't Look Past Me" tonight in Boston. I had seen on Facebook that they were playing it and was super pumped about seeing it. Looking now at setlist.fm, it's the only show they haven't played it, and they didn't even replace it with anything. I'm literally heartbroken over this... There's no way they'll ever bring this song back out on tour, and they just skipped right over it. I'm at a loss, and very confused. To be honest, this may have been the best DT I've seen in person since Radio City, but to know that they skipped what would be only chance to see one of the rarest DT songs in the catalog puts a bitter taste in my mouth.

Oh man... I feel your pain! I saw a concert on the Along for the Ride tour where they had technical difficulties and didn't play Illumination Theory...the crowd was so upset!!! Luckily I saw there more shows on that tour, but those who only saw that one were left with a sour taste in their mouths.

Same deal in Albany.  A little let down.  They seem to be shortening the set.   First set was a little under an hour.  And, Labrie was talking about how long they play from the stage.  The irony.  Other than that, they were great.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Prog Snob on November 16, 2017, 07:03:57 AM
I'm so glad they finally played Don't Look Past Me. I've been wanting to hear that song live for years now. It looks like I'll finally get the chance on Saturday.  :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 16, 2017, 08:05:40 AM
Same deal in Albany.  A little let down.  They seem to be shortening the set.   First set was a little under an hour.  And, Labrie was talking about how long they play from the stage.  The irony.  Other than that, they were great.

I see that now on setlist.fm. Someone had it listed there previously. I wonder if they axed it because of the confused look on everyone's faces as they played it. :lol Anyway, I feel less bad that we weren't the only (or first) city NOT to get it on the NA tour, but if they end up putting it back in later in the tour I'll be miffed again.

On the positive side of things, I will say that the show as it stood was amazing. The Bigger Picture into Hell's Kitchen into To Live Forever was just a fantastic run of songs I hadn't heard live before. The band sounded awesome, and they (especially James) seemed more playful on stage then I've ever seen them. And Images was Images. Great album played fantastically. I forgot how great of a song Learning to Live is. Been awhile since hearing that song. My only complaint of a song they DID play was Breaking All Illusions. To me, it's not as good of a song as they, or many fans, think. I would have rather have seen Outcry or Bridges in the Sky in that spot (if only because it was my 4th time seeing BAI in 7 years).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 16, 2017, 08:17:48 AM
Hope this change isn't permanent. If they wanted to shorten the set, not playing AIA would've been a better option. If this is because nobody really knows DLPM, they should keep playing it anyway, it's just one song from the whole set that people don't know.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 16, 2017, 08:25:01 AM
Noooo... this is terrible news as I'm seeing them tonight in the first of three times for the remaining part of the tour.  This is devastating news.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 16, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
No "Don't Look Past Me" tonight in Boston. I had seen on Facebook that they were playing it and was super pumped about seeing it. Looking now at setlist.fm, it's the only show they haven't played it

Looks like they didn't play it in Albany the night before either.  Maybe they've decided it's not getting the reaction they wanted or that James can't handle it.  While it might be well known to denizens of message boards like this one, I expect it's a bit of a head scratcher for half the audience or more.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 16, 2017, 11:19:06 AM
Hope this change isn't permanent. If they wanted to shorten the set, not playing AIA would've been a better option. If this is because nobody really knows DLPM, they should keep playing it anyway, it's just one song from the whole set that people don't know.

Disagree. When JM started playing the intro to AIA in Chicago, the crowd went NUTS.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 16, 2017, 11:24:48 AM
Hope this change isn't permanent. If they wanted to shorten the set, not playing AIA would've been a better option. If this is because nobody really knows DLPM, they should keep playing it anyway, it's just one song from the whole set that people don't know.

For better or worse, crowds tend not to react well to songs they don't know -- especially when the singer struggles with the song -- and crowd reaction is important for a band like DT.  Frankly, I think it would have gone better if James had explained what they were doing before launching into the song.  While I had heard of the song (as a result of having bought the I&W demos from the YtseJam online store), if I hadn't looked at the set list before the show, I wouldn't have known what they were doing.

I completely disagree with doing away with As I Am, which is a crowd favorite.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 16, 2017, 12:05:52 PM
Hope this change isn't permanent. If they wanted to shorten the set, not playing AIA would've been a better option. If this is because nobody really knows DLPM, they should keep playing it anyway, it's just one song from the whole set that people don't know.

For better or worse, crowds tend not to react well to songs they don't know -- especially when the singer struggles with the song -- and crowd reaction is important for a band like DT.  Frankly, I think it would have gone better if James had explained what they were doing before launching into the song.  While I had heard of the song (as a result of having bought the I&W demos from the YtseJam online store), if I hadn't looked at the set list before the show, I wouldn't have known what they were doing.

I completely disagree with doing away with As I Am, which is a crowd favorite.

He explained the reason why they'd play that song in Toronto.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 16, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
AIA is a crowd favorite, but they've played it A LOT since 2012. They played it on the ADTOE tour, the 30th anniversary tour, the 2nd USA leg of the TA tour and now on this one. It's too much already.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Nick on November 16, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
If they don't play Don't Look Past Me in Philly I'm going to be heavily disappointed.

Reminds me of the tour (don't remember which one) they started playing The Great Debate on the West Coast and dropped it completely before getting to the East. Not like it just wasn't played at my show(s), but they had decided against playing it anymore. Because at this point it would essentially mean there is 0 chance I'll ever see it (DLPM) again.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 16, 2017, 01:38:48 PM
AIA is a crowd favorite, but they've played it A LOT since 2012. They played it on the ADTOE tour, the 30th anniversary tour, the 2nd USA leg of the TA tour and now on this one. It's too much already.

If the reason for ditching Don't Look Past Me is that it's not getting the sort of crowd reaction the band wants, ditching a song that gets a great crowd reaction (whether or not the song has been played a lot recently) is not a good alternative.  On the other hand, if, as you posited, they ditched DLPM in order "to shorten the set," then it certainly makes sense to consider other options.  However, the band might reasonably value retention of a song that gets a great crowd reaction over retaining an obscure song that doesn't get as good of a reaction simply because a minority of fans are interested in seeing that obscure/rare song played.  Ditching AIA is only "a better option" if the band values playing an obscure/rare song over getting a better crowd reaction.

I don't have any skin in the game because I've already seen the show with DLPM.  However, if I had been given a vote, I would have strongly preferred AIA over DLPM.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: DTA on November 16, 2017, 02:07:33 PM
If they don't play Don't Look Past Me in Philly I'm going to be heavily disappointed.

Reminds me of the tour (don't remember which one) they started playing The Great Debate on the West Coast and dropped it completely before getting to the East. Not like it just wasn't played at my show(s), but they had decided against playing it anymore. Because at this point it would essentially mean there is 0 chance I'll ever see it (DLPM) again.

I'm going to Philly too and was hesitant to attend this tour until I saw DLPM was added. I'm going to be so damn disappointed if it's not there as it's been number one on my list of DT songs I want to see live since I first heard it back in 2000.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 16, 2017, 02:08:32 PM
If they don't play Don't Look Past Me in Philly I'm going to be heavily disappointed.

Reminds me of the tour (don't remember which one) they started playing The Great Debate on the West Coast and dropped it completely before getting to the East. Not like it just wasn't played at my show(s), but they had decided against playing it anymore. Because at this point it would essentially mean there is 0 chance I'll ever see it (DLPM) again.

I'm going to Philly too and was hesitant to attend this tour until I saw DLPM was added. I'm going to be so damn disappointed if it's not there as it's been number one on my list of DT songs I want to see live since I first heard it back in 2000.


So it's safe to say that...

You'll have a hard time looking past the fact that DLPM was dropped?

Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 16, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
Sons of Apollo would never disappoint their fans like that!!!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 16, 2017, 02:45:43 PM
#NoSetListDrops

Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 16, 2017, 04:27:46 PM
 ;D :D
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JoeMLennon on November 16, 2017, 05:17:28 PM
No "Don't Look Past Me" tonight in Boston. I had seen on Facebook that they were playing it and was super pumped about seeing it. Looking now at setlist.fm, it's the only show they haven't played it, and they didn't even replace it with anything. I'm literally heartbroken over this... There's no way they'll ever bring this song back out on tour, and they just skipped right over it. I'm at a loss, and very confused. To be honest, this may have been the best DT I've seen in person since Radio City, but to know that they skipped what would be only chance to see one of the rarest DT songs in the catalog puts a bitter taste in my mouth.

Oh man... I feel your pain! I saw a concert on the Along for the Ride tour where they had technical difficulties and didn't play Illumination Theory...the crowd was so upset!!! Luckily I saw there more shows on that tour, but those who only saw that one were left with a sour taste in their mouths.

Same deal in Albany.  A little let down.  They seem to be shortening the set.   First set was a little under an hour.  And, Labrie was talking about how long they play from the stage.  The irony.  Other than that, they were great.

I have no problem with them dropping it, though it would've been cool to see it live.  If they subbed in something else I wouldn't have thought much of it and that probably would have been cool.  It is just you know they could've, but they didn't.  why?  life's great mystery :).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 16, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
If they don't play Don't Look Past Me in Philly I'm going to be heavily disappointed.

Reminds me of the tour (don't remember which one) they started playing The Great Debate on the West Coast and dropped it completely before getting to the East. Not like it just wasn't played at my show(s), but they had decided against playing it anymore. Because at this point it would essentially mean there is 0 chance I'll ever see it (DLPM) again.

Yeah I feel bad for you guys.  I saw Great Debate and it was amazing and when they dropped it later I was pretty sad for everyone seeing them later in the tour.  DLPM was cool but I could have lived without it personally.  Sad that you guys who genuinely want to hear it may not get the chance. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 16, 2017, 08:34:54 PM
Come to think of it, the live version of DLPM suffers a lot because the backing vocals are not done properly...a problem way too common in post-Portnoy DT, to be honest.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on November 16, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
No "Don't Look Past Me" tonight in Boston. I had seen on Facebook that they were playing it and was super pumped about seeing it. Looking now at setlist.fm, it's the only show they haven't played it, and they didn't even replace it with anything. I'm literally heartbroken over this... There's no way they'll ever bring this song back out on tour, and they just skipped right over it. I'm at a loss, and very confused. To be honest, this may have been the best DT I've seen in person since Radio City, but to know that they skipped what would be only chance to see one of the rarest DT songs in the catalog puts a bitter taste in my mouth.

No way!!  Wow, I feel your pain and disappointment!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2017, 06:04:28 AM
Wasn't performed last night in NYC. So bummed. I've lost hope on seeing it now.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 17, 2017, 07:15:21 AM
It's fairly lame. I guess I just don't get how shortening the show by 6-7 minutes is that helpful. And it seems some people actually bought tickets to specifically see this song. And they even promoted it on Facebook (Mangini posted a video or picture and the band shared that post). Whatever. The more days that pass, the better I'm dealing with not seeing it. The show was still fantastic, and should not be missed by anyone who's a fan of the band.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 17, 2017, 07:18:35 AM
The song seemed to be tough on James' voice. That's probably why they cut it, it's a shame though. Glad I saw it in Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 17, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
Iím sorry to those that were looking forward to hearing DLPM. It truly is a disappointing feeling that I know too well! Iím wondering if itís a time constraint thing and I hope they put it back in for you guys.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JoeMLennon on November 17, 2017, 09:56:47 AM
I’m sorry to those that were looking forward to hearing DLPM. It truly is a disappointing feeling that I know too well! I’m wondering if it’s a time constraint thing and I hope they put it back in for you guys.

Personally, I just wish they would start mixing up the set a bit in general.  Doesn't have to be as much as they used to, but part of the excitement to me, of going to any show is wondering what they will do that night.  Particularly for DT who have such a deep catalouge with so many progressive elements and used to be improv jam, I think alot of people would welcome the uncertainty of knowing what they are gonna do on a given night.  It's not like the DT fan is waiting to hear the hits and will be let down if they don't play pull me under or whatever it is.  I say throw some wild cards in there all the time.

OK.  I am glad to see the band listened to me by Long Island :). Throw the Glass Prison in there.  Why not?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 17, 2017, 10:08:54 AM
Well, I'm glad to have went and gotten, the only chance, to see DLPM. It was a nice treat. But I can see how it takes a toll on JLB. As it is later in the tour, its getting to him.

But who knows why they dropped it?

Hopefully I'll be able to hop on over to Dallas.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 17, 2017, 10:09:15 AM
part of the excitement to me, of going to any show is wondering what they will do that night.  Particularly for DT who have such a deep catalouge with so many progressive elements and used to be improv jam, I think alot of people would welcome the uncertainty of knowing what they are gonna do on a given night.

That works both ways, though.  I think it was on the Systematic Chaos tour (the first Prog Nation tour, I think) that they played Ministry of Lost Souls instead of something else they had been playing, and I was greatly disappointed.  Fair enough to play that song since it appeared on the album they were touring for, but it still sucked balls.  I MUCH prefer the static set list.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 17, 2017, 10:12:22 AM
Never Enough..
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Tony From Long Island on November 22, 2017, 07:04:17 AM
I have scrupulously avoided set lists for this tour.  Saw the show last night and had a great time.

I would have much preferred to hear "To Live Forever" and "Don't Look Past Me"    than the entire "Change Of Seasons."   Not that COS wasn't great, but the other two would have been awesome.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2017, 07:09:15 AM
Wow they changed it again... and for worse (IMO at least)  :facepalm:

TLF was actually really enjoyable live, was never a favorite DT track, but felt right in the set list and worked well.  This change I don't like.  I'd rather see the Astonishing songs back in the set instead.

Also, in the NJ show, someone in the crowd was constantly yelling "What happened to DLPM" I'm sure that pissed off DT judging by JLB's facial reactions when he kept screaming.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 22, 2017, 07:15:32 AM
Wow they changed it again... and for worse (IMO at least)  :facepalm:

TLF was actually really enjoyable live, was never a favorite DT track, but felt right in the set list and worked well.  This change I don't like.  I'd rather see the Astonishing songs back in the set instead.

Also, in the NJ show, someone in the crowd was constantly yelling "What happened to DLPM" I'm sure that pissed off DT judging by JLB's facial reactions when he kept screaming.

Thank god I wasn't at that show. I think I had my share of live versions of The Spirit Carries On. And to play that INSTEAD of To Live Forever and Don't Look past me only add insult to injury.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Evai on November 22, 2017, 07:23:10 AM
Meh. Seems like a band can't try out different songs on tour, since the fans all gossip and spread word about the setlists. Then they have expectations based on unofficial sources, that's why JLB looked pissed. Cellphone-recording culture doing its work as usual
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2017, 07:25:49 AM
Wow they changed it again... and for worse (IMO at least)  :facepalm:

TLF was actually really enjoyable live, was never a favorite DT track, but felt right in the set list and worked well.  This change I don't like.  I'd rather see the Astonishing songs back in the set instead.

Also, in the NJ show, someone in the crowd was constantly yelling "What happened to DLPM" I'm sure that pissed off DT judging by JLB's facial reactions when he kept screaming.

 :lol

I agree on TLF, it was great in Pittsburgh, worked really well in the live setting.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2017, 07:51:42 AM
Meh. Seems like a band can't try out different songs on tour, since the fans all gossip and spread word about the setlists. Then they have expectations based on unofficial sources, that's why JLB looked pissed. Cellphone-recording culture doing its work as usual

That's another reason why I avoid setlists spoilers like the plague. I want to go at my show knowing nothing, while I fully know everything is rehearsed and prepared to the detail, not knowing before what happens makes it easier to live the experience like it's something done "for me".

Anyway, the band has no obligation whatsover regarding a setlist to the fans, as long as the general concept of the show remains the same (of course it's not ok  to, say, drop 7 songs and play 50 minutes less)  they can damn well put in a song or take out a song as they please.

I've seen Helloween last saturday, they didn't play a song that was present n previous and following shows, bohooooho, should I sue them and ask my money back? should have I learnt by memory the setlist before and demand it shouting loudly?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2017, 07:58:44 AM
Id like to not spoil the setlist for bands I really love and know all the songs anyway like DT, but the NA tour was so far out from when it started that avoiding spoilers would be really difficult so I caved in.  My buddy didn't and was totally loving the first set, was saying how it was all songs he didn't expect to see besides As I Am.  His excitement was pretty cool to see, whereas I knew what was coming next.

Meh. Seems like a band can't try out different songs on tour, since the fans all gossip and spread word about the setlists. Then they have expectations based on unofficial sources, that's why JLB looked pissed. Cellphone-recording culture doing its work as usual

I don't think this has anything to do with them changing songs
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 22, 2017, 11:30:40 AM
I also try to avoid spoilers as best I can. Hell, I haven't even been on the DT side of this forum in almost a year trying to avoid spoilers. Sometimes it's just unavoidable. Just being here, people talk about the setlists in other threads that have nothing to do with Dream Theater or even music! That's how I found out about ACOS this tour, and Space Dye Vest on the 2014 tour.

But Don't Look Past Me, as I've said, was spoiled because a BAND MEMBER posted about it on Facebook. Then I saw the same post again shared by THE BAND. Once I saw that, I just figured that they were promoting one of the songs they were playing on tour, and that I could expect it to be played. Especially considering that the song is a leftover from Images and Words, I figured that they were going to hold on to it. I was looking forward to hearing it. That's where my original disappointment came from.

Today, however, I feel better about not seeing it. I realized that no one in Europe got to see it, or anywhere except the 13 shows here in the US. Looking at other songs that have been played 20 times or less, I have been lucky enough to have seen: Vacant (twice), Innocence Faded, Light Fuse and Get Away, Raise The Knife, The Answer Lies Within, and Overture. At this point, I'm chalking it up to not being one of the lucky ones to see it.

Also, I'm VERY glad that I was able to see To Live Forever. It's one of my TOP Dream Theater songs, probably Top 10. And it's a much better song than Don't Look Past Me. And now that I see that they've potentially dropped that as well, I'm counting my blessings this Thanksgiving, haha.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on November 22, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
Meh. Seems like a band can't try out different songs on tour, since the fans all gossip and spread word about the setlists. Then they have expectations based on unofficial sources, that's why JLB looked pissed. Cellphone-recording culture doing its work as usual

I've seen Helloween last saturday, they didn't play a song that was present n previous and following shows, bohooooho, should I sue them and ask my money back? should have I learnt by memory the setlist before and demand it shouting loudly?

No one is asking for a refund, but surely, you can understand a fan's disappointment when a rare song is dropped unexpectedly mid-tour.  We're an exceptionally insatiable bunch.  Many fans (myself included) have travelled far and wide to capture some of the rare songs in the DT catalog.  I would have been massively bummed if I didn't get a chance to see DLPM last month.  (And when a song gets rotation in Europe [Wither, Behind the Veil] I always lobby for its U.S. debut)  Of course, DT doesn't owe any songs or setlists to the fans, and they can't please everybody, but we're allowed to have a reaction.

The "What you don't know can't hurt you" approach might temper expectations but in my experience it would have caused me to miss some awesome opportunities.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2017, 01:06:11 PM
Yeah, you're right. I was merely commenting in more general terms on what Evai said, in this specific case I can totally understand someone wanting to hear a very rare song that the band itself seem to have hyped.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: PetFish on November 22, 2017, 02:58:34 PM
Jeez, you guys, if AC/DC wants to play any song at any time during any show they can or if anyone wants to go jam at a bar to blues standards they can but for songs as complex as DT they can't just whip them out.  They have to have setups and rehearse before every show so soundchecks become another entire concert every day.

I'm sure I read somewhere how draining it was on the guys to be constantly playing everything and even the lighting guys and guitar techs having to keep all the different tunings available not to mention having to carry all the extra gear with you.

It's not just "ah, screw the fans, we're not playing <song> this time" which I think some people feel it is.  There's a lot more involved.

So please, chill out and give them a break, as much as we like to say they're all machines and cyborgs they're just Humans and have limitations.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on November 22, 2017, 03:38:42 PM
^^ Also, let's not forget transcribing and relearning a song that hasn't been played in 25 years.  I'm aware of the tremendous forethought, effort and coordination that goes into assembling a setlist.  DT gives so much to its fans, and that should never be taken for granted.  That said, the song was already prepared, queued with the stage show and played several times.

Of course, there are other considerations that might have factored into its removal from the setlist.  Maybe (speculation) Kevin Moore contacted the bands reps seeking royalties for performance of the song.  Maybe (wild speculation) John Hendricks raised a complaint that he never received writing credit for his contributions (if any).  Or maybe the band decided that the live performance of DLPM (with its demanding vocals) just didn't live up to their own standards and expectations and dropped it.

Whatever the reason, I'm sure the band gave it careful consideration, and, of course, its nothing personal to any fans.

However, DT does occasionally listen and respond to the community - otherwise they would never have contemplated Space Dye Vest live.  So it does make a difference to speak up about things.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2017, 01:02:53 AM
They played since forever Pull Me Under which has Moore's lyrics, I don't think at all his writing contributions are an issue.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Elite on November 23, 2017, 02:06:04 AM
Jeez, you guys, if AC/DC wants to play any song at any time during any show they can or if anyone wants to go jam at a bar to blues standards they can but for songs as complex as DT they can't just whip them out.  They have to have setups and rehearse before every show so soundchecks become another entire concert every day.

Leprous is curently on tour, performing 27 shows in a row without any breaks, changing up the setlist every single night. So far they've played 32 different songs on this tour. Yes, there's a constant in that there's the same six/seven songs played at every show, but the others are swapped around constantly. Even the song order is different every single night.

Yes, Dream Theater songs are complex, but these guys are world-class musicians. I know about 15 Dream Theater songs by heart and can play them on the guitar, there's no way the likes of John Petrucci would struggle with songs he wrote. To say the band can't simply 'whip out' some old songs is insulting to their quality as musicians. If Dream Theater would want to rehearse 50 songs for their tour and play ever-changing setlists each night, there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't do that from a purely technical (playing the songs) standpoint.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: ? on November 23, 2017, 03:42:22 AM
I bet they dropped DLPM because the reaction wasn't good enough - after all, it's an obscure B-side, and in 2011 they stopped playing The Great Debate for the same reason. Or maybe they just wanted to make things easier for James, since he already has to sing at the top of his range in the I&W set, and you can't leave any of those songs out because of the theme of the tour. We'll see whether TSCO was just a special song (I know how ironic this sounds :lol) for the hometown gig or if TLF gets dropped permanently, which would be a pity.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: ToT-147 on November 23, 2017, 03:49:53 AM
But they already did what Leprous is doing, right?.. They've done that for 20 years or so, since they actually have the amount of songs to do it until the main guy behind the setlists' setup (and the one pushing farer the rotating aspect) was no longer in the band.. The reasons why they're not doing it anymore have been said here and there bunch of times.. But what some are saying in this thread, and I totally submit to that, is that they actually don't need to have any reasons at all to do whatever setlist they wanna do.. They're the ones making that decision..

Now, a separate issue is our own personal experiences with their shows and, particularly in this case, with the songs played.. That's were it all gets extremely subjective.. For starters, and I think no one has even mention this factor yet, there are those that don't like the song, or don't care that much to see it live.. Then there's the spoiler alert factor: if you don't want to spoil yourself, just don't visit ANY website (or page, or facebook, or blog, etc) that might spoil you!.. I mean, that's like a pretty basic thing to do about it..
 :natalieportman:
But then again, this has to do with how we feel about what a band can do in their shows.. And DT songs might be not really difficult to play for them, yes, but they might just don't want to play them...
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 23, 2017, 06:16:49 AM
Re: spoilers. Yes - you could just not visit any website that might spoil you, but I wish it wasn't like that here.  When I joined I was told that people are good about not posting spoilers and to just stay out of threads about the tour.  Then one of the first set songs was spoiled in a thread that wasn't about the tour and didn't (up to that point) have anything to do with it. So I stopped visiting the forum until I'd seen it for myself. And even then it was a good while after, I guess because I'd gotten used to not coming here.

Since I came back, I've found spoilers everywhere - as someone else mentioned, in threads that aren't about DT at all.  I guess in 2019 I can leave again, but isn't there something else we could do? If it was me and only me, then I wouldn't say anything. I don't want to be the new person coming in and thinking they know better. But I've read enough comments by others who were bummed about being spoiled, so I'm giving it a try. Next time, can we do better? Maybe a rule that spoilers can only go in one thread on the DT forum and in the various threads for shows in the Concert and Setlists forum? And multiple reminders of it in each subforum at the start of the tour?  Maybe it's unrealistic but I'm just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 23, 2017, 06:40:03 AM
As for the setlist and people being upset - I get it, and I would be too if I had missed those songs.  Not angry at the band, but definitely disappointed.  I think the band having static setlists is in some ways the cause of  people being so upset.
Fans (not all, but I think, in my unscientific observation, most) want them to go back to changing setlists. It's the thing a lot of people miss. I've heard a lot of people say that they stopped going to multiple shows per tour because of it.  So I kinda think, now that everyone has gotten used to the static sets, that at a minimum they should give people a heads up if they can.  Ideally, don't drop something that people have never seen and probably won't get to see again. But if it can't be avoided, just a little something - "hey, we've been playing a rare track that unfortunately we're going to have to drop, but we're still playing it tomorrow so come on out if you can." If the setlist was changing all the time, then so be it - anything goes. Otherwise, it's really a bummer that they specifically promoted it on social media, some fans planned to see the show just because that song was included, and then they drop it without a word.  I don't mean this in a "how dare they" kinda way.  But I do get the frustration.

And if they really dropped it (and The Great Debate for that matter) because of the reaction, that's really too bad. It may not be a crowd favorite, but plenty of people were really happy to hear it.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Mladen on November 23, 2017, 11:07:57 AM
If I recall correctly, The Great debate was featured on several concerts, while Outcry and Breaking all illusions were switching places as the last song before the encore. Once the band found out people were disappointed Breaking all illusions wasn't being played at every show, they made it the permanent set closer, and since they probably didn't want to lose Outcry, The Great debate got replaced by it.

The Great debate is a top 10 Dream Theater song in my book and I was more than extatic to hear it live six years ago, but I don't remember the general crowd response being great or even memorable. It might not be a live favorite for people.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on November 23, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
I am not surprised that Don't Look Past Me was cut.  It is a song only the most diehard fans are gonna know, and from the few clips I saw online, crowd reaction to it was pretty tame.  It's cool that it finally got played a bunch of times, but it's not one of their better non-albums tracks from the 90s.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 23, 2017, 12:20:30 PM
If I recall correctly, The Great debate was featured on several concerts, while Outcry and Breaking all illusions were switching places as the last song before the encore. Once the band found out people were disappointed Breaking all illusions wasn't being played at every show, they made it the permanent set closer, and since they probably didn't want to lose Outcry, The Great debate got replaced by it.

The Great debate is a top 10 Dream Theater song in my book and I was more than extatic to hear it live six years ago, but I don't remember the general crowd response being great or even memorable. It might not be a live favorite for people.

Would love to see TGD return to their sets someday, it's a DT favorite for me as well. At least we got a great version on Happy Holidays 2013 :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 23, 2017, 12:46:15 PM
If I recall correctly, The Great debate was featured on several concerts, while Outcry and Breaking all illusions were switching places as the last song before the encore. Once the band found out people were disappointed Breaking all illusions wasn't being played at every show, they made it the permanent set closer, and since they probably didn't want to lose Outcry, The Great debate got replaced by it.

The Great debate is a top 10 Dream Theater song in my book and I was more than extatic to hear it live six years ago, but I don't remember the general crowd response being great or even memorable. It might not be a live favorite for people.

I was at a show where we got to hear the great debate but not out cry or beneath the surface. Then the next leg they removed outcry and beneath the surface completely. I was pretty pissed but then again I got to hear the great debate which was amazing and the setlist was pretty amazing other than that anyway. That's why I'm not so keen on the rotating set list. I missed two of my favorite songs from my favorite album and to this day I've never heard them live.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 23, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
If I recall correctly, The Great debate was featured on several concerts, while Outcry and Breaking all illusions were switching places as the last song before the encore. Once the band found out people were disappointed Breaking all illusions wasn't being played at every show, they made it the permanent set closer, and since they probably didn't want to lose Outcry, The Great debate got replaced by it.

The Great debate is a top 10 Dream Theater song in my book and I was more than extatic to hear it live six years ago, but I don't remember the general crowd response being great or even memorable. It might not be a live favorite for people.

I was at a show where we got to hear the great debate but not out cry or beneath the surface. Then the next leg they removed outcry and beneath the surface completely. I was pretty pissed but then again I got to hear the great debate which was amazing and the setlist was pretty amazing other than that anyway. That's why I'm not so keen on the rotating set list. I missed two of my favorite songs from my favorite album and to this day I've never heard them live.

Yes, but with rotating setlists you can see a couple shows and get to see more songs. With no rotation, there's a chance they won't play the songs you prefer on the tour at all, and no one gets to see them.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Hourglass Prison on November 24, 2017, 07:51:42 AM
Wow, I actually had to go back and check, because I couldíve sworn that we got Outcry AND Breaking All Illusions on that first ADTOE leg. But no, just Outcry in 2011, then BAI in 2012.
I got to see Great Debate, which was awesome, but I was unaware that they dropped it later that tour.

They could pretty much retire On the Backs of Angels and BAI as far as Iím concerned, or at least give them a break for awhile. Itís not that I donít like them, but in the four non-Astonishing tours Iíve seen since ADTOE came out, I heard those two songs three times each.

This most recent tour was the first time I largely stayed away from setlist spoilers, and itís a practice that Iím going to continue, because it enhanced the experience for me.
I did accidentally see that it kicked off with TDEN, but aside from that I had no idea what the first set entailed. And I was very excited to see TLF and DLPM.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 24, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
If I recall correctly, The Great debate was featured on several concerts, while Outcry and Breaking all illusions were switching places as the last song before the encore. Once the band found out people were disappointed Breaking all illusions wasn't being played at every show, they made it the permanent set closer, and since they probably didn't want to lose Outcry, The Great debate got replaced by it.

The Great debate is a top 10 Dream Theater song in my book and I was more than extatic to hear it live six years ago, but I don't remember the general crowd response being great or even memorable. It might not be a live favorite for people.

I was at a show where we got to hear the great debate but not out cry or beneath the surface. Then the next leg they removed outcry and beneath the surface completely. I was pretty pissed but then again I got to hear the great debate which was amazing and the setlist was pretty amazing other than that anyway. That's why I'm not so keen on the rotating set list. I missed two of my favorite songs from my favorite album and to this day I've never heard them live.

Yes, but with rotating setlists you can see a couple shows and get to see more songs. With no rotation, there's a chance they won't play the songs you prefer on the tour at all, and no one gets to see them.

Except at the time I didn't really have much money so seeing one show was the maximum. Now that I have more money to waste I still only go to one show per leg. It's kind of a crappy feeling to know that the song was played but it eluded me by a single day
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on November 24, 2017, 12:36:01 PM


Yes, but with rotating setlists you can see a couple shows and get to see more songs. With no rotation, there's a chance they won't play the songs you prefer on the tour at all, and no one gets to see them.

Except that most fans have jobs, a family, a tight money situation, etc. that doesn't enable them to travel to see multiple shows on a tour.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 24, 2017, 12:52:09 PM


Yes, but with rotating setlists you can see a couple shows and get to see more songs. With no rotation, there's a chance they won't play the songs you prefer on the tour at all, and no one gets to see them.

Except that most fans have jobs, a family, a tight money situation, etc. that doesn't enable them to travel to see multiple shows on a tour.
And plenty of fans do see more than one show. If you're only ever going to see one, why complain about others getting to see different songs? If you don't get to see it, no one should? I missed a couple special things over the years, but I would never suggest that they shouldn't have done it because they didn't do it at the show I saw.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 24, 2017, 03:05:04 PM


Yes, but with rotating setlists you can see a couple shows and get to see more songs. With no rotation, there's a chance they won't play the songs you prefer on the tour at all, and no one gets to see them.

Except that most fans have jobs, a family, a tight money situation, etc. that doesn't enable them to travel to see multiple shows on a tour.
And plenty of fans do see more than one show.

I don't know about "plenty."

I don't even think I can count on one hand the number of people I've met that have gone to more than one show per leg.  In fact, plenty don't even see them once per tour. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on November 24, 2017, 03:39:46 PM


Yes, but with rotating setlists you can see a couple shows and get to see more songs. With no rotation, there's a chance they won't play the songs you prefer on the tour at all, and no one gets to see them.

Except that most fans have jobs, a family, a tight money situation, etc. that doesn't enable them to travel to see multiple shows on a tour.
And plenty of fans do see more than one show.

I don't know about "plenty."

I don't even think I can count on one hand the number of people I've met that have gone to more than one show per leg.  In fact, plenty don't even see them once per tour.

Exactly. The fans who go to, or used to go to, a lot of shows love per tour love to beat their chests and act like the rotating set lists inspired a large percentage of fans to travel all over to see multiple shows, but I would bet my life savings that that is not the case at all.  Most fans go to one show per tour (unless a city gets two shows per tour or two cities are pretty close to each other to where it is not difficult to see both, like if someone went to both the Chicago and Peoria shows earlier this month).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 24, 2017, 04:44:09 PM
I don't know if it was a large percentage or not. I haven't, and certainly wouldn't, claim that it was "most." It wasn't. But I'd need more than both hands to count the number of people who I saw at more than one show on this tour.  That's not a huge number, but it's also just my observation - there are shows where I don't talk to anyone or really observe anyone, so the number has to be at least a little greater.

When there were rotating setlists, I saw a lot more people that I recognized from show to show. A lot of those people I don't see anymore.  Of course it wasn't most, it wasn't half, it wasn't a quarter. But even if it's 100 people who buy two tickets instead of one, or maybe some 3 or 4 tickets instead of one, that can add up.

Again, I'm not pushing for the band to do something that's going to make them miserable and/or burn them out. I want them to be in it for as long as possible.

But again I have to ask, if they did go back to rotating sets in some capacity (I doubt it would ever be to the extent that it once was), would those who only go to one show, for whatever reason, really be mad at the band and begrudge those who went to multiple ones and thus got to see a few more songs?

When Rush did it (only on a really small scale), no one that I met was upset, mad, whatever about it. A couple people could only swing one show and were able to guess what would be played when and picked the show that suited them best. Others maybe wished they had gotten X instead of Y but were at least glad they could watch X online.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on November 24, 2017, 05:24:56 PM
I think the way the band did it on the ADTOE tour was the best of both worlds.  Most of the set list was static, but with a few spots that were rotated from night to night.

Also, on my end, it is worth pointing that the only two times I saw Dream Theater on the same tour was when the set lists were static :lol - Metropolis 2000 tour (St Louis and Orlando) and the Along for the Ride tour (Chicago and Kansas City).
 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 24, 2017, 11:30:54 PM
I don't know if it was a large percentage or not. I haven't, and certainly wouldn't, claim that it was "most." It wasn't. But I'd need more than both hands to count the number of people who I saw at more than one show on this tour.  That's not a huge number, but it's also just my observation - there are shows where I don't talk to anyone or really observe anyone, so the number has to be at least a little greater.

When there were rotating setlists, I saw a lot more people that I recognized from show to show. A lot of those people I don't see anymore.  Of course it wasn't most, it wasn't half, it wasn't a quarter. But even if it's 100 people who buy two tickets instead of one, or maybe some 3 or 4 tickets instead of one, that can add up.

Again, I'm not pushing for the band to do something that's going to make them miserable and/or burn them out. I want them to be in it for as long as possible.

But again I have to ask, if they did go back to rotating sets in some capacity (I doubt it would ever be to the extent that it once was), would those who only go to one show, for whatever reason, really be mad at the band and begrudge those who went to multiple ones and thus got to see a few more songs?


Mad?  Begrudge?  No.  Still disappointed. 

When I saw them on the first leg of the ADTOE tour it was the best DT show I'd ever been to.  Still, kind of a bummer that I got Wait For Sleep, one of my least favorite DT songs, instead of Beneath the Surface. 

Clearly not a big enough deal to spoil the show if I consider it to be the best DT concert I've been to but still a little annoying.  But if that along with their comfort of not doing it is more important to them, at the very least I consider it a wash in terms of benefits. 

Also consider this...I was talking to a group of guys that were sitting behind us at the last show and just so happened to get a bite to eat at the same place as us afterwards.  They were diehards.  I think they said they had listened to DT since 2006 and yet that show was the first one they had ever been to with the exception of one of them who had seen DT years before. 

I am a diehard that owns every DT release including official bootlegs yet I only see them twice a year maximum.  These guys were diehards that have seen them once or twice in a decade.  Not everybody has the means to see them at all let alone multiple times in a week. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: PetFish on November 25, 2017, 12:53:45 AM
To say the band can't simply 'whip out' some old songs is insulting to their quality as musicians. If Dream Theater would want to rehearse 50 songs for their tour and play ever-changing setlists each night, there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't do that from a purely technical (playing the songs) standpoint.

Except that they are the ones who've said they don't want to do it any longer for various reasons and one being rehearsal time and another being they felt they could never get into a steady groove with the constant switching and a third is all the other people around them who are also involved.

So take it easy, jeez.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 25, 2017, 07:28:33 AM
I don't know if it was a large percentage or not. I haven't, and certainly wouldn't, claim that it was "most." It wasn't. But I'd need more than both hands to count the number of people who I saw at more than one show on this tour.  That's not a huge number, but it's also just my observation - there are shows where I don't talk to anyone or really observe anyone, so the number has to be at least a little greater.

When there were rotating setlists, I saw a lot more people that I recognized from show to show. A lot of those people I don't see anymore.  Of course it wasn't most, it wasn't half, it wasn't a quarter. But even if it's 100 people who buy two tickets instead of one, or maybe some 3 or 4 tickets instead of one, that can add up.

Again, I'm not pushing for the band to do something that's going to make them miserable and/or burn them out. I want them to be in it for as long as possible.

But again I have to ask, if they did go back to rotating sets in some capacity (I doubt it would ever be to the extent that it once was), would those who only go to one show, for whatever reason, really be mad at the band and begrudge those who went to multiple ones and thus got to see a few more songs?


Mad?  Begrudge?  No.  Still disappointed. 

When I saw them on the first leg of the ADTOE tour it was the best DT show I'd ever been to.  Still, kind of a bummer that I got Wait For Sleep, one of my least favorite DT songs, instead of Beneath the Surface. 

Clearly not a big enough deal to spoil the show if I consider it to be the best DT concert I've been to but still a little annoying.  But if that along with their comfort of not doing it is more important to them, at the very least I consider it a wash in terms of benefits. 

Also consider this...I was talking to a group of guys that were sitting behind us at the last show and just so happened to get a bite to eat at the same place as us afterwards.  They were diehards.  I think they said they had listened to DT since 2006 and yet that show was the first one they had ever been to with the exception of one of them who had seen DT years before. 

I am a diehard that owns every DT release including official bootlegs yet I only see them twice a year maximum.  These guys were diehards that have seen them once or twice in a decade.  Not everybody has the means to see them at all let alone multiple times in a week.

Of course - and I'm not suggesting otherwise.  If you can't see DT at all, only once every 5 years, etc, that's your business. Not suggesting that the guys you met are any less of a fan. I just don't think that's really relevant to whether they rotate the setlist or not. You were disappointed in not getting Beneath the Surface. I get that - I've been disappointed by stuff I've missed too. But the part I don't get is why it makes it better if no one else gets to hear it either. At least they played it, which means maybe you get to watch it on YouTube, or maybe it makes its way onto a dvd. Isn't that better than nothing? 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
I agree. I feel for the fans that travelled to different shows for the rotating setlists. MP was very smart in that regard, building a hardcore touring fanbase and trying to create a Dead-like experience.

For those of us, like me, who didn't travel, but was still lucky enough to see them regularly, the rotating setlists ultimately gave us the opportunity to hear more songs live, and in different sequences. I collected many bootlegs to hear different setlist variations. And getting up each day to log onto MP.com to see what was played the night before was like turning on ESPN to get last night's scores. It was just a cool experience. And other than standard songs from a new album, you literally didn't know what would be played, so in this age of setlist spoilers, DT was able to retain some amount of suspense.


That said, I have since DT 3 times in the MM era, and they have been 3 of the best shows I've seen by them.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 25, 2017, 08:43:41 AM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs. You didn't need to go to multiple shows as long as you kept going every tour you'd get a good rotation of songs.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2017, 08:56:38 AM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs. You didn't need to go to multiple shows as long as you kept going every tour you'd get a good rotation of songs.

Right.

And to that point, JP has done an awesome job of different songs from tour to tour.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 25, 2017, 09:40:35 AM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 25, 2017, 01:40:54 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: KevShmev on November 25, 2017, 01:45:18 PM
Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

That set list was so awesome that I traveled from St Louis to Chicago with my brother to see it on a Saturday, and then four days later traveled from St Louis to Kansas City with three friends to see it again.  That Chicago performance is the best DT show I have seen post-2000. :metal :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 25, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

That set list was so awesome that I traveled from St Louis to Chicago with my brother to see it on a Saturday, and then four days later traveled from St Louis to Kansas City with three friends to see it again.  That Chicago performance is the best DT show I have seen post-2000. :metal :metal

That was a great show, probably tied with the 20th Anniversary as my favorite DT show.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 25, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Evai on November 25, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing

True, it was pretty annoying when they took out Heavens Cove and (I think) Whispers On The Wind. Like, you don't play SFAM and leave out Home  :laugh:
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 25, 2017, 08:09:23 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing

True, it was pretty annoying when they took out Heavens Cove and (I think) Whispers On The Wind. Like, you don't play SFAM and leave out Home  :laugh:

It was quite annoying when they played songs from the Astonishing
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 26, 2017, 11:32:00 AM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing

True, it was pretty annoying when they took out Heavens Cove and (I think) Whispers On The Wind. Like, you don't play SFAM and leave out Home  :laugh:

It was quite annoying when they played songs from the Astonishing

That was their best set list. Great variety of moods and energy.

I have seen them once with Portnoy (opening for Maiden doesn't really count to me as a full DT show). I didn't really know much songs from them, only what I heard on Budakon. It was on the Gigantour, they played my favorite though, Endless Sacrifice. Never Enough wasn't bad as well, it was a good rocking jam.

Its funny comparing how much more I know DT songs to back then in 2005. Going back, looking at the setlists, seeing they played a certain song and trying to remember.

For me, if I could, I would see them more than once on a tour. But that is not viable due to location. Its about a 7 hour drive each direction to see a show (AZ, CO, TX), and then next show would be in either one of those places or farther away.

Honestly, you guys on the East coast are very lucky and fortunate to be able to see many, many shows. Travel isn't far at all, at times just an hour away. If anything, the places where travel isn't a big issue at all, are places that got spoilt by the rotating setlists. But then, it wouldn't have mattered as much if setlist-fm didn't exist.

Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Mladen on November 27, 2017, 11:04:28 AM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing
True. That one was more an A set list than A+.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TheAtliator on November 27, 2017, 11:56:46 AM
The idea of any fans not fully endorsing the idea of rotating setlists is blowing my mind!!

Imagine living in Quebec in 2006 and going to these two shows, not previously knowing what you were about to get:

1-
The Root of All Evil
These Walls
Another Won
Afterlife
Under a Glass Moon
Caught in a Web
Raise the Knife
Strange Dťjŗ Vu
-
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Endless Sacrifice
I Walk Beside You
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
- Encore:
The Spirit Carries On
Take the Time

2-
The Root of All Evil
Panic Attack
Another Won
A Fortune in Lies
Take the Time
Lie
Peruvian Skies
Speak to Me
Home
-
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Endless Sacrifice
I Walk Beside You
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
- Encore: Pullmetropolis
Pull Me Under/Metropolis Pt. 1

 :omg:

If you don't like that they took out Don't Look Past Me (I think that's too bad as well), then fine, but I fail to see how that's a reflection on rotating setlists as a whole. In fact it was only played in the first place at all because they changed from the previous setlist of this tour.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: DTA on November 27, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
As long as they rotate from tour to tour (and leg to leg), then I'm happy. The idea of rotating setlists on a nightly basis is great to think about, but realistically, the likelihood of fans attending multiple shows is probably so low that it's only worth it to a very minimal group of people. Not to mention, rotating setlists with 3 hours shows just exhausts so much of the catalog that it's inevitable that they will run out of songs to rotate. I started seeing the same songs over and over again even with the rotating sets and my enthusiasm for seeing them diminished a bit. I think the way they're doing it now works very well and they obviously are happy and have been pulling out some great songs/rarities.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 27, 2017, 01:58:47 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing
True. That one was more an A set list than A+.

Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 27, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Since I'm going to the Dallas show, It is a bummer they might not play that song at all. I feel lucky now I got to see it at least. But, it being the last show of the tour. I do wonder what they might do?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JoeMLennon on November 27, 2017, 05:20:24 PM
Look at Metallica as an example.  They have some staples they leave in the set from leg to leg, but there are some songs the drop in and out which keeps it interesting and a little less totally predicable.   Particularly if you are thinking about going to more than one show.  The motivation to see more than one is totally gone if you know you have already seen it.  And if you want go all superfan you know not check in again until 2019, as that is the time they plan on doing something new.  Tweaking it, keeps people involved in paying attention to what is happening with the band.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 28, 2017, 10:54:18 AM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs.

The problem with this is that some fans don't like that.  If I go to see Iron Maiden, I expect them to play The Trooper.  If I go to see Rush, I expect to hear Tom Sawyer.  Similarly, there are certain songs that I want to hear when I go and see Dream Theater.  It doesn't matter that I've seen those songs at (almost) every prior show I've attended by those bands.  And it works both ways.  I'd be perfectly happy never to hear All Good People again, but I can be pretty certain that Yes will play it (unless it's a show featuring particular albums other than The Yes Album).  For the most part, I've been happy with DT's set lists, but there have been a couple set lists that I found to be mediocre (in particular, the two Prog Nation shows I saw).  I agree that the post-MP set lists have been, at worst, very good (I didn't see any of the Astonishing shows, so I'm not including those).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 28, 2017, 11:15:52 AM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs.

The problem with this is that some fans don't like that.  If I go to see Iron Maiden, I expect them to play The Trooper.  If I go to see Rush, I expect to hear Tom Sawyer.  Similarly, there are certain songs that I want to hear when I go and see Dream Theater.  It doesn't matter that I've seen those songs at (almost) every prior show I've attended by those bands.  And it works both ways.  I'd be perfectly happy never to hear All Good People again, but I can be pretty certain that Yes will play it (unless it's a show featuring particular albums other than The Yes Album).  For the most part, I've been happy with DT's set lists, but there have been a couple set lists that I found to be mediocre (in particular, the two Prog Nation shows I saw).  I agree that the post-MP set lists have been, at worst, very good (I didn't see any of the Astonishing shows, so I'm not including those).

The difference I think is that DT doesn't really have staple setlists songs.  Maybe Metropolis or Pull Me Under are the closest to being those.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 28, 2017, 12:20:40 PM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs.

The problem with this is that some fans don't like that.  If I go to see Iron Maiden, I expect them to play The Trooper.  If I go to see Rush, I expect to hear Tom Sawyer.  Similarly, there are certain songs that I want to hear when I go and see Dream Theater.  It doesn't matter that I've seen those songs at (almost) every prior show I've attended by those bands.  And it works both ways.  I'd be perfectly happy never to hear All Good People again, but I can be pretty certain that Yes will play it (unless it's a show featuring particular albums other than The Yes Album).  For the most part, I've been happy with DT's set lists, but there have been a couple set lists that I found to be mediocre (in particular, the two Prog Nation shows I saw).  I agree that the post-MP set lists have been, at worst, very good (I didn't see any of the Astonishing shows, so I'm not including those).

The difference I think is that DT doesn't really have staple setlists songs.  Maybe Metropolis or Pull Me Under are the closest to being those.

And I'm glad they don't. True, Rush has to play Tom Sawyer at every show, but Rush is a huge band.  DT is different; they don't have to play anything at every single show.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 28, 2017, 12:37:08 PM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs.

The problem with this is that some fans don't like that.  If I go to see Iron Maiden, I expect them to play The Trooper.  If I go to see Rush, I expect to hear Tom Sawyer.  Similarly, there are certain songs that I want to hear when I go and see Dream Theater.  It doesn't matter that I've seen those songs at (almost) every prior show I've attended by those bands.  And it works both ways.  I'd be perfectly happy never to hear All Good People again, but I can be pretty certain that Yes will play it (unless it's a show featuring particular albums other than The Yes Album).  For the most part, I've been happy with DT's set lists, but there have been a couple set lists that I found to be mediocre (in particular, the two Prog Nation shows I saw).  I agree that the post-MP set lists have been, at worst, very good (I didn't see any of the Astonishing shows, so I'm not including those).

The difference I think is that DT doesn't really have staple setlists songs.  Maybe Metropolis or Pull Me Under are the closest to being those.

And I'm glad they don't. True, Rush has to play Tom Sawyer at every show, but Rush is a huge band.  DT is different; they don't have to play anything at every single show.

You know, thats why I like Dream Theater. You never know what they'll play before the start of the tour. Glad they don't have a staple song they have to play tour. I wish more popular bands could play whatever they feel like without worry of disappointing the audience.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 28, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs.

The problem with this is that some fans don't like that.  If I go to see Iron Maiden, I expect them to play The Trooper.  If I go to see Rush, I expect to hear Tom Sawyer.  Similarly, there are certain songs that I want to hear when I go and see Dream Theater.  It doesn't matter that I've seen those songs at (almost) every prior show I've attended by those bands.  And it works both ways.  I'd be perfectly happy never to hear All Good People again, but I can be pretty certain that Yes will play it (unless it's a show featuring particular albums other than The Yes Album).  For the most part, I've been happy with DT's set lists, but there have been a couple set lists that I found to be mediocre (in particular, the two Prog Nation shows I saw).  I agree that the post-MP set lists have been, at worst, very good (I didn't see any of the Astonishing shows, so I'm not including those).

The difference I think is that DT doesn't really have staple setlists songs.  Maybe Metropolis or Pull Me Under are the closest to being those.

And I'm glad they don't. True, Rush has to play Tom Sawyer at every show, but Rush is a huge band.  DT is different; they don't have to play anything at every single show.

You know, thats why I like Dream Theater. You never know what they'll play before the start of the tour. Glad they don't have a staple song they have to play tour. I wish more popular bands could play whatever they feel like without worry of disappointing the audience.
Like Metallica...I'd love to see a show from them and not hear Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters or Seek & Destroy.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 28, 2017, 12:52:52 PM
You know, thats why I like Dream Theater. You never know what they'll play before the start of the tour. Glad they don't have a staple song they have to play tour. I wish more popular bands could play whatever they feel like without worry of disappointing the audience.

I think bands have to start early in their carreer to "educate" their audience to expect the unexpected. After 10 - 20 - 30 years of playing staples, bands find themselves forced to play those songs, and they can't get rid of them even if they wanted to. Dream Theater on the other hand always changed setlists so it does not feel weird that they skip Pull Me Under or Metropolis.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 28, 2017, 02:41:39 PM
MP was also good noting what they played in each city so the next time through the city would get different songs.

The problem with this is that some fans don't like that.  If I go to see Iron Maiden, I expect them to play The Trooper.  If I go to see Rush, I expect to hear Tom Sawyer.  Similarly, there are certain songs that I want to hear when I go and see Dream Theater.  It doesn't matter that I've seen those songs at (almost) every prior show I've attended by those bands.  And it works both ways.  I'd be perfectly happy never to hear All Good People again, but I can be pretty certain that Yes will play it (unless it's a show featuring particular albums other than The Yes Album).  For the most part, I've been happy with DT's set lists, but there have been a couple set lists that I found to be mediocre (in particular, the two Prog Nation shows I saw).  I agree that the post-MP set lists have been, at worst, very good (I didn't see any of the Astonishing shows, so I'm not including those).

The difference I think is that DT doesn't really have staple setlists songs.  Maybe Metropolis or Pull Me Under are the closest to being those.

And I'm glad they don't. True, Rush has to play Tom Sawyer at every show, but Rush is a huge band.  DT is different; they don't have to play anything at every single show.

You know, thats why I like Dream Theater. You never know what they'll play before the start of the tour. Glad they don't have a staple song they have to play tour. I wish more popular bands could play whatever they feel like without worry of disappointing the audience.
Like Metallica...I'd love to see a show from them and not hear Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters or Seek & Destroy.

I went to a 311 show a month ago, they didn't play 3 of their biggest hits (All Mixed Up, Creatures, and their new single Too Much To Think) and instead played 3 really random and more rare songs.  I thought it was the best setlist of the tour for them.  Now, my gf who came with me, thought it sucked cause those were songs she wanted and expected to see.  It's tough for bands to make this call.  You excite one person and piss off another. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Elite on November 28, 2017, 03:14:45 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing
True. That one was more an A set list than A+.

Yeah, right.

Point made. You donít like TA. No need to state that three times in the same thread, especially when itís not even the right thread for that.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 28, 2017, 09:21:16 PM
Totally agree, since MP left, the setlist have still been great for each tour. I'd like to see a few songs dropped but I understand why the band plays them judging from the live reactions (like As I Am)

Every post MP tour has had an A+ setlist. Even the Along For The  Ride tour which I did not like when I saw it posted. When I heard it live I was blown away by how well it worked.

Except The Astonishing
True. That one was more an A set list than A+.

Yeah, right.

Point made. You donít like TA. No need to state that three times in the same thread, especially when itís not even the right thread for that.

Preach!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: DragonAttack on November 30, 2017, 10:01:37 AM
At the Baltimore preshow, I had asked JP about dropping 'Don't Look Past Me', and then he mentioned also dropping 'To Live Forever' (bummer) due to all the blank stares from the audience.  So, they put 'The Spirit Carries On' back in.  There were quite a few people I met that were seeing DT for the first time.  Hey, if I was going to see Queen (or Queen+), I'd be disappointed as hell if BoRhap wasn't included.

Good choice on their part.  I enjoyed the hell out of it (again), and it seemed as though it was played a tad faster, which helped.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Well at least we got the reasoning.  Still stinks. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 30, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
At the Baltimore preshow, I had asked JP about dropping 'Don't Look Past Me', and then he mentioned also dropping 'To Live Forever' (bummer) due to all the blank stares from the audience.  So, they put 'The Spirit Carries On' back in.  There were quite a few people I met that were seeing DT for the first time.  Hey, if I was going to see Queen (or Queen+), I'd be disappointed as hell if BoRhap wasn't included.

Good choice on their part.  I enjoyed the hell out of it (again), and it seemed as though it was played a tad faster, which helped.

As much as I enjoyed seeing To Live Forever, I would have preferred The Spirit Carries On so good choice on their part.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 30, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
Well now I'm really glad we got an early date. Makes me glad I missed out on the 2nd set here, rather than the 1st set. I like DLPM since I first heard it when I bought the first edition of Lifting Shadows, it was on the accompanying CD. Its a nice rarity I never thought they'd pull from the vault, but I can see how many may not know that song and come out confused. If JLB introduced it before it'd be alright. Then people will be all "oh, okay" instead of "whats this song? Is this a new one?" Like the first draft of setlist.fm

Spirit is a nice song though. First time hearing it was great on The Astonishing tour. Gonna be a blast hearing it more sober than that time (I got a pretty good buzz towards the end).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on November 30, 2017, 11:33:47 AM
I understand the reasoning, but kinda disagree with it a little bit. James did explain before Don't Look Past Me, and while I'm sure they didn't get much of a reaction, it doesn't mean people didn't enjoy it. They just didn't know it well enough to have a strong crowd reaction. The whole second set is full of crowd pleasers, so I think it would have been fine (and nice for the diehards) to have one or two songs like that out of a 3 hour show.  Maybe don't play them back to back though.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2017, 11:37:50 AM
I really just thought TLF and DLPM fit the set list for the anniversary of I&W and those songs would certainly fall into the "& Beyond" catagory IMO.  But if the band felt they would rather please the general crowd vs the smaller amount of people who would enjoy seeing those songs, then I can't really argue that other than I wish they wouldn't of done it.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 30, 2017, 11:41:05 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, Don't Look Past Me has appeared only on two "official" band releases:  the I&W demos album released through the YtseJam Records online store (with Chris Cintron singing) and the Cleaning Out the Closet fan club CD (I don't remember a CD with Lifting Shadows, so I'll have to pull that out and look!).  To Live Forever was also on both of those releases and has had a couple of truly official releases as the B-side to the Lie single and on the "Greatest Hit" compilation (and maybe a couple others that I can't recall).  It was also regularly (I think) performed during the I&W tour legs (and maybe also sometimes on the Awake tour?).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, had I not looked at the set list in advance, I wouldn't have known what DLPM was when they played it, and my point (same as what Ben just wrote) is that maybe they should have explained what these songs were (maybe they did at some other shows, but not at the LA show).
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
I believe that is all correct.  But without checking, that may not be an exhaustive list of where those songs have popped up.  I know a live version of TLF also showed up on the WDADRU official bootleg.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on November 30, 2017, 11:58:39 AM
I believe that is all correct.  But without checking, that may not be an exhaustive list of where those songs have popped up.  I know a live version of TLF also showed up on the WDADRU official bootleg.

You're right, which I should've remembered since I just watched some WDADRU soundcheck footage on YouTube a couple days ago.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: El Barto on November 30, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
Well at least we got the reasoning.  Still stinks.
Big understatement.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Well at least we got the reasoning.  Still stinks.
Big understatement.

I got to see TLF twice so I am not as bummed as others who didn't get that opportunity, but I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: El Barto on November 30, 2017, 12:35:57 PM
Well at least we got the reasoning.  Still stinks.
Big understatement.

I got to see TLF twice so I am not as bummed as others who didn't get that opportunity, but I know what you mean.
It's not really so much that I love TLF, though it's a pretty cool song, but that now there's another song I have no interest in. Since I don't share this forum's hard-on for I&W this setlist was already lackluster, and yanking two interesting songs for TSCO is a pretty big blow.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2017, 12:50:46 PM
Are they interesting because they are rare or because you like them more?  Personally, I don't like them more so the rarity factor is what makes me more interested and I guess when they are dropped, it doesn't have as big of an impact since I'm not the biggest fan of the songs anyway, but honestly TLF worked soooooo well in that spot in the setlist.  I think I am more bummed about them going from two songs to one song.  When this tour started there was even more than that too so they've slowly shortened the setlist which sucks as it's not like the price of admission has changed.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: El Barto on November 30, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
Are they interesting because they are rare or because you like them more?  Personally, I don't like them more so the rarity factor is what makes me more interested and I guess when they are dropped, it doesn't have as big of an impact since I'm not the biggest fan of the songs anyway, but honestly TLF worked soooooo well in that spot in the setlist.  I think I am more bummed about them going from two songs to one song.  When this tour started there was even more than that too so they've slowly shortened the setlist which sucks as it's not like the price of admission has changed.
I like TLF more, and DLPM is something I haven't seen 10 freaking times already. And I honestly don't much care for TSCO live. Not really what I like in a concert. Unfortunately it's pretty much DT's Wrathchild so it pops up fairly routinely when they need to just to slap a song somewhere.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2017, 06:02:22 PM
Personally, I cannot stand To Live Forever, and in no way can I begin to comprehend the love that it gets.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: gzarruk on November 30, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
I believe that is all correct.  But without checking, that may not be an exhaustive list of where those songs have popped up.  I know a live version of TLF also showed up on the WDADRU official bootleg.

You're right, which I should've remembered since I just watched some WDADRU soundcheck footage on YouTube a couple days ago.

It also appeared on the Happy Holidays release from 2013.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 30, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
I believe that is all correct.  But without checking, that may not be an exhaustive list of where those songs have popped up.  I know a live version of TLF also showed up on the WDADRU official bootleg.

You're right, which I should've remembered since I just watched some WDADRU soundcheck footage on YouTube a couple days ago.

It also appeared on the Happy Holidays release from 2013.

And the Live in Tokyo DVD, and the 5 Years in a LIVEtime DVD, and the Once in a LIVEtime Outtakes Fan Club CD
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: goo-goo on December 01, 2017, 07:39:17 AM
Sucks that both Don't Look Past Me and To Live Forever got dropped. I was really looking forward to them in Austin. What sucks more is that TSCO got added. I've heard that song so many times, it's really burned me out.. :rollin I think TSCO will be my bathroom break.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 01, 2017, 07:55:34 AM
Sucks that both Don't Look Past Me and To Live Forever got dropped. I was really looking forward to them in Austin. What sucks more is that TSCO got added. I've heard that song so many times, it's really burned me out.. :rollin I think TSCO will be my bathroom break.

They pulled a Wrathchild  ;D (Iron Maiden in more than an occasion dropped a difficult song from the set replacing it with the massively overplayed Wrathchild, or used it as an easy replacement song... for example they had to drop Hallowed Be Thy Name from 2017's set for legal disputes, and of course Wrathchild sneaked back in the set)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 01, 2017, 08:40:56 AM
Sucks that both Don't Look Past Me and To Live Forever got dropped. I was really looking forward to them in Austin. What sucks more is that TSCO got added. I've heard that song so many times, it's really burned me out.. :rollin I think TSCO will be my bathroom break.

They pulled a Wrathchild  ;D (Iron Maiden in more than an occasion dropped a difficult song from the set replacing it with the massively overplayed Wrathchild, or used it as an easy replacement song... for example they had to drop Hallowed Be Thy Name from 2017's set for legal disputes, and of course Wrathchild sneaked back in the set)

What were these legal disputes? Mustíve missed that
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 01, 2017, 08:50:00 AM
A couple of lines off Hallowed Be Thy Name are taken verbatim from a Beckett song, so that was the subject of the dispute.

Now why the thing surfaces after 30 years is another matter, but the motive is that one.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pg1067 on December 01, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
A couple of lines off Hallowed Be Thy Name are taken verbatim from a Beckett song, so that was the subject of the dispute.

Now why the thing surfaces after 30 years is another matter, but the motive is that one.

Hmm....interesting.  Seems reminiscent of the recent lawsuit involving Stairway to Heaven.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/heavy-metal-legends-iron-maiden-shelve-fans-favourite-song-legal/
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: DT2003 on December 03, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
When this tour started there was even more than that too so they've slowly shortened the setlist which sucks as it's not like the price of admission has changed.

Not sure how long the shows were earlier on the tour, but when I saw them in Albany last month the show was just short of 3 hours.  I think their tickets are very reasonably priced for putting on that long of a show.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 03, 2017, 01:16:13 PM
A couple of lines off Hallowed Be Thy Name are taken verbatim from a Beckett song, so that was the subject of the dispute.

Now why the thing surfaces after 30 years is another matter, but the motive is that one.

That whole lawsuit was dumb. They had been sued for it years ago by someone else claiming to be the sole songwriter of the song that Maiden allegedly ripped off and they settled out of court. Now, years later, someone else came forward saying that they co-wrote the song with the other guy and also want money from Maiden. But why wouldnít that party sue the guy who originally filed a lawsuit against Maiden? Maiden already paid for ripping off the song. The dispute should have now been between the two songwriters to figure out what the first guy owes the second guy.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 04, 2017, 11:20:54 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, Don't Look Past Me has appeared only on two "official" band releases:  the I&W demos album released through the YtseJam Records online store (with Chris Cintron singing) and the Cleaning Out the Closet fan club CD (I don't remember a CD with Lifting Shadows, so I'll have to pull that out and look!).  To Live Forever was also on both of those releases and has had a couple of truly official releases as the B-side to the Lie single and on the "Greatest Hit" compilation (and maybe a couple others that I can't recall).  It was also regularly (I think) performed during the I&W tour legs (and maybe also sometimes on the Awake tour?).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, had I not looked at the set list in advance, I wouldn't have known what DLPM was when they played it, and my point (same as what Ben just wrote) is that maybe they should have explained what these songs were (maybe they did at some other shows, but not at the LA show).

DLPM was sung by John Henricks on the demos as was TLF. They also had Steve Stone's version of TLF.  TLF was also on Live in Tokyo ani think a bside on the Lie single.

I agree though. Maybe James should have introduced those songs and let people know how special it was that they were playing those and how rare of a treat it was.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2017, 11:29:48 AM
Didn't see this mentioned here, but figured I should since it kind of technically was a bit of a setlist change, but instead of a JR solo spot before Wait For Sleep, JP came out and they performed a rendition of Liquid Tension Experiment's Hourglass:

JR and JP perform Hourglass in Dallas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRWTstVbs4)

That was a real nice surprise, I actually thought it was Eve at first, but after watching that, there's very little crowd reaction.  Given the response to drop the other songs, maybe this is why they don't do it more often.  I personally was loving every second of this. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: devieira73 on December 04, 2017, 12:15:08 PM
Wow, I had forgotten how beautiful this song is! Indeed, nice surprise!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 04, 2017, 12:20:07 PM
Awesome video cram. Also - I think you are right about the crowd reaction it seemed like from your video a lot of people had no clue what that was  :lol
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 04, 2017, 12:25:03 PM
Didn't see this mentioned here, but figured I should since it kind of technically was a bit of a setlist change, but instead of a JR solo spot before Wait For Sleep, JP came out and they performed a rendition of Liquid Tension Experiment's Hourglass:

JR and JP perform Hourglass in Dallas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRWTstVbs4)

That was a real nice surprise, I actually thought it was Eve at first, but after watching that, there's very little crowd reaction.  Given the response to drop the other songs, maybe this is why they don't do it more often.  I personally was loving every second of this. 

Was that you asking "What's this?"

Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2017, 12:42:40 PM
Didn't see this mentioned here, but figured I should since it kind of technically was a bit of a setlist change, but instead of a JR solo spot before Wait For Sleep, JP came out and they performed a rendition of Liquid Tension Experiment's Hourglass:

JR and JP perform Hourglass in Dallas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRWTstVbs4)

That was a real nice surprise, I actually thought it was Eve at first, but after watching that, there's very little crowd reaction.  Given the response to drop the other songs, maybe this is why they don't do it more often.  I personally was loving every second of this. 

Was that you asking "What's this?"

 :lol pretty much, I knew it was familiar but couldn't pin exactly what it was.  My initial thought was Eve cause it sounds similar and would have fit the theme.  I asked the guy next to me if he knew about it and he was clueless.  Actually talked to a few people on my way out and none realized they played something different.  I guess most just thought it was the JR solo spot and didn't question why JP was out there too, but having seen the show twice before, i immediately knew something was happening even if I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Lethean on December 04, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
I think more people knew it where I was. You could hear some people reacting not long after they started playing it, and I think from the expression on JP's face that he noticed it and was acknowledging it.  I'm so glad you were able to capture it. :)
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2017, 01:37:41 PM
I'm so glad you were able to capture it. :)

I pulled out the camera once I saw MM playing golf on stage  :lol was about to stop once the solo started then JP magically appeared.  While it's not one of my favorite tracks or anything, the spontaneity and freshness of doing something different definitely made it one of the coolest things I've witnessed by DT, and it really was some beautiful music.  JLB mentioned about reading on the forums of people traveling earlier in the show, I really think the band wanted to do something special for us on the final show. 
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 04, 2017, 03:21:14 PM
I'm so glad you were able to capture it. :)

I pulled out the camera once I saw MM playing golf on stage  :lol was about to stop once the solo started then JP magically appeared.  While it's not one of my favorite tracks or anything, the spontaneity and freshness of doing something different definitely made it one of the coolest things I've witnessed by DT, and it really was some beautiful music.  JLB mentioned about reading on the forums of people traveling earlier in the show, I really think the band wanted to do something special for us on the final show.

I was one of the ones that knew right from the opening notes what it was. That was a beautiful and nice surprise.

I also notice JLB mentioning something about the forums.

Overall I had fun and it was a great great show. JLB really brought it. Being reserved a bit for the first set, saving it all for the Images and Words album and ACOS set. I like how he hit some good notes from the songs themselves.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: pcs90 on December 05, 2017, 06:24:30 PM
Wow, I never thought Hourglass would get played again. Awesome!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: ToT-147 on December 05, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
I think bands have to start early in their carreer to "educate" their audience to expect the unexpected. After 10 - 20 - 30 years of playing staples, bands find themselves forced to play those songs, and they can't get rid of them even if they wanted to. Dream Theater on the other hand always changed setlists so it does not feel weird that they skip Pull Me Under or Metropolis.

I've never understood why the older bands do that.. I mean, you have already played those staples lots of times; play something else now.. People won't stop going to your shows because you're not playing two or three songs you've been playing for who knows how many years.. Of course there's diehard fans that wanna hear over and over again the same songs at every show they go, and of course there's fans that are going for the first time, but I don't think you'd be losing people by not playing those songs.. At least add something to those songs to keep them interesting for the rest of the fans..

Personally, I cannot stand To Live Forever, and in no way can I begin to comprehend the love that it gets.

I wouldn't say stand, but I definitely do not like it, and the same goes for DLPM, so it'd have been the same for me.. What made me laught even more though than people complaining about not seeing these songs live is that they're forgetting that a huge part of the DT fans around the world couldn't go to the show basically because some of us didn't even have the chance to do it..  :'(

JR and JP perform Hourglass in Dallas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRWTstVbs4)

That's great!..  :metal
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Prog Snob on December 05, 2017, 08:36:12 PM
Personally, I cannot stand To Live Forever, and in no way can I begin to comprehend the love that it gets.

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Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on December 06, 2017, 12:40:01 AM
Wow, I never thought Hourglass would get played again. Awesome!

It is slightly abridged, meaning that they didn't play the super melancholy bridge section, but still what a nice treat!
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Progmetty on December 06, 2017, 04:33:28 AM
I've never liked any of the I&W era leftovers so I don't care much for that but I know they have their fans and I'm glad they're getting this treat.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 06, 2017, 09:31:05 AM
I've never liked any of the I&W era leftovers so I don't care much for that but I know they have their fans and I'm glad they're getting this treat.

Oh I'm a happy fan. Got to see both To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me, both I never thought I'd get to see live. Then also got to see JR and JP play Hourglass, one of my favorite LTE jams.

I was singing along to DLPM in the first row. So I don't know if it went by well.
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on December 06, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
I've never liked any of the I&W era leftovers so I don't care much for that but I know they have their fans and I'm glad they're getting this treat.

Oh I'm a happy fan. Got to see both To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me, both I never thought I'd get to see live. Then also got to see JR and JP play Hourglass, one of my favorite LTE jams.

I was singing along to DLPM in the first row. So I don't know if it went by well.

Nicely done.  What shows did you hit up on the I&W 25 tour?
Title: Re: Those New Tour Songs!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 06, 2017, 07:57:48 PM
I've never liked any of the I&W era leftovers so I don't care much for that but I know they have their fans and I'm glad they're getting this treat.

Oh I'm a happy fan. Got to see both To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me, both I never thought I'd get to see live. Then also got to see JR and JP play Hourglass, one of my favorite LTE jams.

I was singing along to DLPM in the first row. So I don't know if it went by well.

Nicely done.  What shows did you hit up on the I&W 25 tour?

I hit up the Albuquerque and Dallas shows, which totally made up for missing the images set and ACOS at the Albq show.