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General => Archive => General Music Archives => Topic started by: Stadler on September 28, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
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So with Parama's roulette coming to an end, I understand it's my turn. As with Chris before me, I have never conducted one of these (though I have lost quite a few as a participant!), so I apologize in advance if I do something wrong or out of the norm. For simplicity's sake, I am using Chris's rules (which used TAC's rules) as a template.
1. Going to try for 10 people (+/- depending on interest)
2. 8 rounds.
3. No eliminations
4. Scoring from 1-10 points per song
5. Submit by Monday Night, my thoughts and rankings posted by Friday night (unexpected work travel notwithstanding).
6. Submit your song however it best works for you, but so you know, Youtube link is BY FAR - not even close - the best way to do this. I have a Spotify login, but never use it, and I do have access to Apple Music if need be. I'll work with you, but while I'm not a Luddite, I do have my technical limitations.
7. If you are torn between 2 songs for a round, I will allow everyone to use a Wild Card, which means you can send two, and I'll use the best one. You can only use this Wild Card ONCE.
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No banned list, per se, but you should know I grew up on 70's prog and 70's/80's metal. I am something of a completist; I love DT, therefore I have all the albums, all the live albums, the single b-sides and (I think) all the Ytsejam stuff. I think I have something like nine versions of "Rock and Roll All Nite" on my iPod. You should know that I am, above all things, a melody guy, and count the Beatles as my favorite band.
With that said, bands you'd be taking your life in your hands by submitting:
- Anything with Ritchie Blackmore on it.
- Dream Theater and all Mike Portnoy-related projects.
- Kiss and anything with an ORIGINAL Kiss member on it, except Peter Criss (but then again, you'd probably lose the round)
- I pretty much have complete catalogues from the following: Aerosmith; Alice In Chains, Beatles, Black Sabbath, Blackmore, The Cars, Cheap Trick, Phil Collins, Def Leppard, Dio, Dream Theater, Extreme, Fish, Gabriel, Genesis, Gov't Mule, The Dead, Maiden, Elton John, Priest (with Halford), Crimson, Kiss, Zeppelin, Marillion, Oasis, Ozzy, Pearl Jam, Floyd, Queen, REM, Rolling Stones, Rush, Scorpions (up to Herman Rarebell leaving), Soundgarden (and all Cornell projects), Billy Squier, Van Halen, U2, Yes.
Bands I want to get in to more:
- That power pop that made the rounds for a while: Jellyfish, Bend Sinister, The Tories
- Prog metal other than DT, Maiden or Rush, though you take your chances here, because vocals are important to me
- Like Chris, second tier and lesser known rock/metal bands from the 80s and 90s - think Zebra (but don't send Zebra, as I have all their records.)
You can take me literally; when I say "Priest with Halford", I don't own ANYTHING with Ripper. I love Marillion, but I don't have much from any of the individual members.
Signups:
Round 1: Open - Due Mon Oct 2
Round 2: Song under 4:00
Round 3: Song from a live release
Round 4: Open
Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
Round 6: Instrumental
Round 7: Covers (Must be a song originally released by someone else)
Round 8: Song over 8:00 minutes (but over 15, you're taking your chances...)
Anyone interested?
1. kingshmegland
2. antigoon
3. jingle.boy
4. TAC
5. Mosh
6. lonestar
7. elite
8. v_clortho
9. Lethean
10. Home
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I am ready to watch from afar :corn
Really don't think I'd have much to send aside from some tamer prog metal stuff half the participants would send before me anyways
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Count me in.
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hi yes
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In like Flynn.
You're all playing for 2nd place, bitches. Welcome to the Ass Kicking invitational
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In like Flynn.
You're all playing for 2nd place, bitches. Welcome to the Ass Kicking invitational
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Looks more like leg kicking you sissy.
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very ableist to kick someone who only has one leg imo v v v insensitive :natalieportman:
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In!
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very ableist to kick someone who only has one leg imo v v v insensitive :natalieportman:
Probably kicking the crutch right out of the armpit. Chad, you are savage.
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very ableist to kick someone who only has one leg imo v v v insensitive :natalieportman:
Probably kicking the crutch right out of the armpit. Chad, you are savage.
I'd kick your ass, but I don't know where your ass ends, and your leg begins.
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no regard for human life
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Ya'll don't know my Roulette motto.... Jesse "The Body" style - win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat.
Easiest way to win an ass-kicking contest is against a one-legged gimp.
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very ableist to kick someone who only has one leg imo v v v insensitive :natalieportman:
Probably kicking the crutch right out of the armpit. Chad, you are savage.
I'd kick your ass, but I don't know where your ass ends, and your leg begins.
It's all your fault with your Tim Horton's Caramel Salted Balls.
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It's all your fault with your Tim Horton's Caramel Salted Balls.
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Never done a roulette before but I'll play
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:lol
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I'm gonna send UFO in round 1 just so Tim can't use it in round 5.
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Stad didn't list it in the OP, but I've seen him mention being very familiar with UFO and MSG.
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I'm gonna send UFO in round 1 just so Tim can't use it in round 5.
I got something for Round 5. :P
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Stad didn't list it in the OP, but I've seen him mention being very familiar with UFO and MSG.
I don't know if I should do this, but:
MSG is (for me) the first four albums (and live albums). I played the Gary Barden records until the grooves wore out, but if you played me a Robin McCauley song I wouldn't know it from your son's garage band.
UFO I am familiar with Phenomenon through Misdemeanor.
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*comes out of retirement*
I'm in if you'll have me....
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*comes out of retirement*
I'm in if you'll have me....
All the old fogies are in. I see a movie in the making.
Ocean's 50.
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Another roulette to lose horribly, why the hell not? (If Stadler will have me, that is..)
In like Flynn.
You're all playing for 2nd place, bitches. Welcome to the Ass Kicking invitational
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Here we go again.. :D
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I think I'll submit some Overhaul. :biggrin:
*comes out of retirement*
I'm in if you'll have me....
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*comes out of retirement*
I'm in if you'll have me....
All the old fogies are in. I see a movie in the making.
Ocean's 50.
Um....I prefer Oceans 49. Give me one more year man!
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*comes out of retirement*
Oh great. So we're sending 8-tracks now? ;D
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Hey, that'll be fun; everyone can put their songs on a cheap cassette tape, with a hand-drawn label, and snail mail them to me! We'll have this thing done right about the time the new Boston LP comes out. ;)
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*comes out of retirement*
I'm in if you'll have me....
All the old fogies are in. I see a movie in the making.
Ocean's 50.
Speak for yourself gramps, I still got a few years to go.
We'll have this thing done right about the time the new Boston LP comes out. ;)
If it's anything like their last atrocity, it'll still be too soon.
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I'll do it. Never done one before, but I'm old so I might fit in here.
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Hands up who here thinks that Grunge is the devil's work and helped kill off some of the greatest bands? :corn :lol :corn :lol
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Garungle
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Hands up who here thinks that Grunge is the devil's work and helped kill off some of the greatest bands? :corn :lol :corn :lol
:wave:
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So - I read the OP, but I don't really get it. What are people supposed to be submitting? Just songs that they like? If so, why would submitting Ritchie Blackmore be taking their life in their hands? Wouldn't that make them more likely to win?
#newbie questions
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So - How do we submit? PM or email? Or are we sending tapes through snail mail? Can we send a file (.mp3) of the song if we can't find it on youtube?
#newbie questions
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Yeah guys. He's a noob running one as well. :lol. Those are good questions.
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Or are we sending tapes through snail mail?
We could do that and still wrap it up quicker that Parama's Roulette.
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Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
This is going to be tough. I'd be shocked that any band worthy would not be familiar to Stadler.
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Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
This is going to be tough. I'd be shocked that any band worthy would not be familiar to Stadler.
pfft... Already making excuses for your impending failure?
When all else fails, you could go with Winger.
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So - I read the OP, but I don't really get it. What are people supposed to be submitting? Just songs that they like? If so, why would submitting Ritchie Blackmore be taking their life in their hands? Wouldn't that make them more likely to win?
#newbie questions
For the noobs.... https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43449.msg1938828#msg1938828
This was Orcus' original thread, and so the Roulette games were born - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15208.msg527908#msg527908
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So - I read the OP, but I don't really get it. What are people supposed to be submitting? Just songs that they like? If so, why would submitting Ritchie Blackmore be taking their life in their hands? Wouldn't that make them more likely to win?
#newbie questions
For the noobs.... https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43449.msg1938828#msg1938828
So, that answers some questions, but... not why submitting bands that he likes would make you likely to lose. Is it supposed to be bands that he's never heard of?
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So - I read the OP, but I don't really get it. What are people supposed to be submitting? Just songs that they like? If so, why would submitting Ritchie Blackmore be taking their life in their hands? Wouldn't that make them more likely to win?
#newbie questions
For the noobs.... https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43449.msg1938828#msg1938828
So, that answers some questions, but... not why submitting bands that he likes would make you likely to lose. Is it supposed to be bands that he's never heard of?
Pretty much... it's a fun way to get introduced to new music.
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Thanks. :)
I'm in, if you still have room Stadler.
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Or are we sending tapes through snail mail?
We could do that and still wrap it up quicker that Parama's Roulette.
Splent's roulette is still waiting on the final round results :corn
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If you still have a free spot I'm in! Our music tastes aren't a great match probably but I do think I have some stuff to send. (I can't do much worse than Chris' Roulette anyway)
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Or are we sending tapes through snail mail?
We could do that and still wrap it up quicker that Parama's Roulette.
Splent's roulette is still waiting on the final round results :corn
You mean the one I was in the lead? :biggrin:
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So - I read the OP, but I don't really get it. What are people supposed to be submitting? Just songs that they like? If so, why would submitting Ritchie Blackmore be taking their life in their hands? Wouldn't that make them more likely to win?
#newbie questions
Based on my scores from the four or five roulettes I've done, I understand the point to be submit a new song, that I haven't heard a million times, BUT that I immediately like as much as any song I've heard a million times. Seriously, though, the idea is to get new music to me, I score it, and the highest score gets to talk smack for a couple weeks. I have just about everything that Blackmore has done (including early sessions before Deep Purple) so you're going to lose credit on the "new" and "that I never heard" parts.
I answered the submitting question already, I think: best way is Youtube link or other link via PM. I have Spotify (free) and Apple music if that helps. I'm willing to work with you on that, just PM me if a link by PM doesn't work for you.
Lethean, Home, you're in.
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I think we're going to keep it at 10 for now; I have one submission, so I'll give you a few days to get your choice in.
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Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
Stadler, can you please clarify what you are looking for?
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Bands you think should be in the RnR HOF and is your pick reasonable, meaning they should be in.
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Bands you think should be in the RnR HOF and is your pick reasonable, meaning they should be in.
But how can we find a band on the cusp that Staler is not familiar with? Seems to me that every band that should reasonably be put in Stadler would know.
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obviously sons of apollo is the next band to enter the rock and roll hall of fame
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Bands you think should be in the RnR HOF and is your pick reasonable, meaning they should be in.
This pretty much says it. Don't try to sell me that Napalm Death is the next on the list, because I'm not buying it. But there are plenty of bands that are fair game here:
The last inductees:
Yes, Pearl Jam - Don't bother
ELO, Journey - I have two greatest hits each; there's still a lot to work with.
Joan Baez, Tupac - Wide open; couldn't name one song after "Diamonds and Rust"
2016:
Cheap Trick, Deep Purple - Don't bother (I even have a complete set of Bun E's bootlegs)
Chicago - Have one greatest hits; there's a lot to work with.
NWA, Steve Miller - Wide open
2015:
SRV - Don't bother
Everyone else: Wide open
Look, I'm not going to cream somebody for an honest effort. Honestly, you guys all seem pretty cool and pretty knowledgeable; I'm more interested in who you see as the next one in, and what's a good example of their music. A Ted Nugent deep(er) catalogue track I might have heard of, I'm not going to throw a fit. If you send me Europe's "The Final Countdown", you'll get the score you deserve.
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*checks iPod for Joan Baez and Tupac* :lol
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I think I know where I'm going with this round.
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Bands you think should be in the RnR HOF and is your pick reasonable, meaning they should be in.
But how can we find a band on the cusp that Staler is not familiar with? Seems to me that every band that should reasonably be put in Stadler would know.
Jesus... again with the complaining!?!?! You need us to call you a waaah-mbulance? Send Alice Cooper if you need to... get a low score that is! :footloose:
I've already got 4 "approved" by our host.
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Stadler can we get a quick and dirty on your feelings on rap music?
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I've already got 4 "approved" by our host.
Sucking his dick behind the scenes?
Apparently seems to be working with Chris.
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Tim, going "low blow".
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Chad, going "blow low".
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And you call me old, Crankshaft. :lol
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Stadler can we get a quick and dirty on your feelings on rap music?
Either love it or hate it, little in between. I do not reject the genre outright, though. I think there is some brilliant rap, and while I can't personally always relate, some of it is every bit as relevant as Bob Dylan was to the 60's. I'm not one of those that says "It's the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame" not the "RAP AND ROLL Hall of Fame". One of my favorite episodes of Sammy Hagar's RnR Road Trip was with Darryl McDaniel. They did a COOL version of Rock Candy. Some of it though... I just don't get it. My kid played a song that was, no joke, pretty much some dude just yelling swear words into the mike over a beat.
And based on everything else in this thread, jingle has little if any real advantage. And based on the songs I've gotten so far, some of you are more worried than you need to be.
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jingle has little if any real advantage.
That's really not news. :lol
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Stadler can we get a quick and dirty on your feelings on rap music?
Either love it or hate it, little in between. I do not reject the genre outright, though. I think there is some brilliant rap, and while I can't personally always relate, some of it is every bit as relevant as Bob Dylan was to the 60's. I'm not one of those that says "It's the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame" not the "RAP AND ROLL Hall of Fame". One of my favorite episodes of Sammy Hagar's RnR Road Trip was with Darryl McDaniel. They did a COOL version of Rock Candy. Some of it though... I just don't get it. My kid played a song that was, no joke, pretty much some dude just yelling swear words into the mike over a beat.
And based on everything else in this thread, jingle has little if any real advantage. And based on the songs I've gotten so far, some of you are more worried than you need to be.
Interesting, thanks.
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Stadler do you have/have heard JLB solo and side projects?
And, are there any singers that you particularly hate, or strongly dislike?
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I've already got 4 "approved" by our host.
Sucking his dick behind the scenes?
Apparently seems to be working with Chris.
Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat ... or fellate. Potato; potahto :lol
jingle has little if any real advantage.
I'm gonna send the most liberal, left-wing, snowflake, hippie crap I can think of.
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Stadler, clear your inbox. It's full. No seriously, its full.
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So some lame Canadian band then. :neverusethis:
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Stadler do you have/have heard JLB solo and side projects?
And, are there any singers that you particularly hate, or strongly dislike?
Janis Joplin. "Me And Bobby McGee" (by Kris Kristofferson) is one of my five most favorite songs of all time, ever, by any musician, and yet her version is unlistenable to me. I'm not at all a fan of the melismatic singing you see on the singing contest shows. When someone, like Steve Harvey, says "do a little" and they launch into this melismatic extravaganza, I immediately think "You can't sing for shit".
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So some lame Canadian band then. :neverusethis:
I Mother Earth for instance.
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I've already got 4 "approved" by our host.
Sucking his dick behind the scenes?
Apparently seems to be working with Chris.
Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat ... or fellate. Potato; potahto :lol
jingle has little if any real advantage.
I'm gonna send the most liberal, left-wing, snowflake, hippie crap I can think of.
Hey, I love REM and Neil Young (though I'm not that familiar with some of the more obscure Young stuff), so it's really got to be out there.
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And based on the songs I've gotten so far, some of you are more worried than you need to be.
Hmmmm maybe I should use my wild card now...
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So some lame Canadian band then. :neverusethis:
I Mother Earth for instance.
You take that back you son of a Canadian! :lol
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So some lame Canadian band then. :neverusethis:
I Mother Earth for instance.
I believe he was referring to Harem Scarem.
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Stadler do you have/have heard JLB solo and side projects?
And, are there any singers that you particularly hate, or strongly dislike?
Oh, and I have Elements of Persuasion and Impermanent Resonance.
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What would happen to a guy who's not playing the roulette comes in here and posts a suggestion for some music that I think
he should hear ;D
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I feel like I can send some non prog with Stadler. Mmmmn. Thinking of a few bands right now.
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Round one sent yo...
And now the waiting begins...
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We both are; still, I believe, waiting for the offerings from Mosh and elite. I have everyone else's.
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Sent
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So, I've been thinking about what I am going to be submitting in the upcoming rounds. This roulette, to me is different. Stadler and I are basically the same age. Of course he's older..I mean I'm younger..anyway...
I'm not so concerned with showing him the greatest song of the last few years and all. But I'm thinking of filling in some gaps that he might have missed along the way. Not so concerned with the scores, per se.
Which of course will inevitably be met with this response..
You're just making excuses for losing!
;D
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Yeah, except you're gonna have to try a lot harder than that to lose to jingle.... :neverusethis:
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Yeah, except you're gonna have to try a lot harder than that to lose to jingle.... :neverusethis:
Don't you have a meal to cook or something?
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I'm not going to give "first impression one liners" for each song, at least not this round, but I have to say this. Some are better than others, and certainly as a group I can discern that "I like THIS better than I like THAT", but there is such a consistency to this round, that I am struggling with scores. I could easily give 10 scores and there be only a point or two between "1st" and "10th". I'm also struggling - particularly with one song - on whether to judge on it's own merits, or on my particular taste, or the relative worth compared to the others in the round.
But for someone that prides himself on being aware, and having a broad interest in music, I'm humbled by the quality of music that not only have I not heard before, but not even heard OF before. If that makes sense. This is fun and I'm glad I'm doing it. Starting write-ups today; if I can get them out early (to keep this f***** moving) I will.
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But for someone that prides himself on being aware, and having a broad interest in music, I'm humbled by the quality of music that not only have I not heard before, but not even heard OF before. If that makes sense.
Makes complete sense. This was my journey about 12-13 years ago when I started branching out in the kinds of music I went looking for (thank you high-speed internet!). On behalf of us all, you're welcome - your wallet will hate us. :biggrin:
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But for someone that prides himself on being aware, and having a broad interest in music, I'm humbled by the quality of music that not only have I not heard before, but not even heard OF before. If that makes sense.
Makes complete sense. This was my journey about 12-13 years ago when I started branching out in the kinds of music I went looking for (thank you high-speed internet!). On behalf of us all, you're welcome - your wallet will hate us. :biggrin:
There are at least three bands in this round that I can see myself buying an album or two from them in the foreseeable future.
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definitely good that I didn't enter or there would be a way bigger gap between first and last :corn
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But for someone that prides himself on being aware, and having a broad interest in music, I'm humbled by the quality of music that not only have I not heard before, but not even heard OF before. If that makes sense.
Of course that makes sense. And that is the wonder of DTF. We all share. It doesn't even have to be in a roulette. We all know each others' tastes and there's plenty of "Hey I think you'll like this, check this out" that happens all the time.
When I'm on DTF, it really reminds me of being like 15 and hanging at a friends house, talking music, talking shit.
Now if you REALLY want to feel HUMBLED, be sure to check out Brent's next podcast. :lol
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But for someone that prides himself on being aware, and having a broad interest in music, I'm humbled by the quality of music that not only have I not heard before, but not even heard OF before. If that makes sense. This is fun and I'm glad I'm doing it. Starting write-ups today; if I can get them out early (to keep this f***** moving) I will.
I think this would probably apply to all of us. There's sooo much music out there and I think it's hard for most to stay on top of it all. Except maybe that guy on the MP forum who posts his top 100 albums each year and insists that if an album made the top 100, he *loved* it, and that he listens to like 500 albums a year. :)
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that sounds like JRond or whatever
i don't think he posted a 2016 list on DTF now that i think about it?
but that was like, where I first heard about Earthside & that was a good find :corn
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But for someone that prides himself on being aware, and having a broad interest in music, I'm humbled by the quality of music that not only have I not heard before, but not even heard OF before. If that makes sense. This is fun and I'm glad I'm doing it. Starting write-ups today; if I can get them out early (to keep this f***** moving) I will.
Glad to hear it, and keep in mind that this is just round one. I'd imagine 90% of my library is fair game for this thing, and I have close to 600 albums. And some of these dudes eclipse my library by scores and scores. The rabbit hole is hella deep my friend.
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Only 600? iTunes says I have 1,596... though many of those would be from single songs that I have. I'd say I'm easily in the 900-1000 range.
Then add a couple hun that I've got saved in Spotify.
And yeah... for some real humility, go check out a Ben/Brent podcast after this is done
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Kingshmegland: No More Pain, “All As One”: LOVE the intro. I heard that and it pricked my ears up straight away. I’m a vocals guy, a melody guy, so when the vocals kicked in – somewhat generic relative to the bombast of the intro – it was a shade of a let down. Similarly, I was waiting for an epic chorus, and while the vocals were thicker, it wasn’t as up front as I would have preferred. This was aching for a chorus like Yes circa 1986 (Talk era). But it was very good, and I will probably check out more from this band (it didn’t influence the score, but “Behold The Screen” came on right after and I let it play; it ROCKED, and I felt the vocals were less generic and more interesting. THAT would have gotten an 8 or 9). 7
Antigoon: Lorde, “The Louvre”: I wrote before that I was struggling with the grading, and this is the song that caused most of the grief. Do I get Lorde? I think so; I think she’s actually one of the current ingenues that has the talent and the gumption to back up the hype and the drama. Do I like Lorde? Not really; not my thing. I don’t get turned off too much by lyrics, and I like a clever turn of the phrase, but things like “I overthink your puh-punctuation use” stick out to me as a kind of pretension that I can’t really abide (and this from a guy that likes Jon Anderson’s lyrics, for the most part). The pre-chorus brought the song to a new level, but it didn’t stay there, and the “boom boom boom” seemed a little pandering. For a happy song, I’m not sure a lot of “happy” came through. I’m so sorry, this was my least favorite of the group, but for this first round, I’m going to rate it absolutely, not relatively and give it a six. 6
Jingle.boy: Ayreon, “Across the Rainbow Bridge”: What was I saying about “pretentious”? But I loved it! The way this song unfolded like a CD booklet or a well-wrapped package was awesome. The spoken word, the quiet vocals, the louder vocals... really built nicely. I loved the way the first “Across the rainbow bridge!” cut through, and then the second time, it wasn’t just a repeat of the phrase, but rather it was its own section. Reminded me a lot of Sabbath in that the song leaves the impression of a series of parts strung together but done so cohesively as to be seamless, almost like a spiral staircase the way it builds. It also reminds me of Me And Sarah Jane, a song that has I think five sections and yet never exactly repeats any of them. (And lyrically… antigoon might have a legit beef; if I called Lorde pretentious what the FUCK is this?) I had heard a lot about this band on this site, but never got around to hearing them. This is a band I will dig further into as time goes by. I loved this. 8.5
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TAC: Daydream XI – “Collector of Souls”: I got a little nervous with the little a cappella start; it reminded me a little of something I couldn’t put my finger on, but that isn’t good, like “Fun.” or something like that, and then went even further south into a more Glenn Hughes-style wailing (I’m in the camp that, as good a singer as Hughes is, he ruined Deep Purple with the “funk”). But from humble beginnings… that riff kicked in, and I wanted to run upstairs and figure it out on guitar. The vocals were still a little too “70’s Deep Purple” to totally nail it, but the chorus was epic enough to save the song, and bring it back into a more familiar territory. 7.5
Mosh: Symphony X, “Accolade II”: I should love this. I should be all over this like Trump on a controversy. But I’m not. For some reason, Russell Allen bugs me, and I have no real reason why. I didn’t like the Rik Emmett-esque vocals in the verses, though I really liked the vocals in the choruses (where the hell was THAT in Amob? That might have made “Motherfuckin’ psychosane!” more palatable!) Loved the keyboard lines that wove their way through this; old-school in the best possible way. One thing that struck me on the outro about the third time I heard it: this is an example of a woman like Carmen Electra, who has all the right pieces: nice body, long blond hair, big smile, cool personality, but… still just isn’t that hot to me. It’s missing that je ne sais quoi that separates the Springsteens from the Southside Johnnys. The Beatles from the ELOs. The Sabbaths from the Blue Cheers. The Margot Robbie's from the Angelina Jolie's. 7.5
Lonestar: Kingcrow, “Right Before”: I dig this. Not blown away, and it’s not the best song of the round, but I found myself coming back to it as just good, solid, well-played progressive metal. Really liked the solos; seemed to bring something new besides the sometimes clichéd “widdly, widdly” stuff; almost reminded me a little of an Alex Lifeson “sound solo” more than a barrage of notes, ala our boy Yngwie. (And once again, really impressed by the follow-on song, “Fading Out, Pt. IV”). 7
Elite: Jolly, “Joy”: I was very pleasantly surprised with this. I had heard a lot about this band, but didn’t quite know what to expect (for a while I had it confused with Jellyfish). I was really impressed by this. Just straightforward, well-played pop-rock with substance. I like this because it sounds like there is a lot more under the hood than first appears (and case in point, it took until the third listen to hear that cool little piano/keyboard lick at about 2:30). I liked the vocals and the layering of the vocals (particularly in the final repeat of the chorus). This is a band I would like to check out more (though unlike with King, I let it bleed into the next song, “Sweet Darlin’”, which I didn’t warm to at all). 7.5
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V_clortho: Powermad, “Nice Dreams”: Dammit! This brought me back to 1984, and “Defenders of the Faith”. Perhaps a little more Metallica than Priest, but still it has that 80’s metal ethos that I was ass deep into until at least 1989. Metallica was the granddaddy of thrash, and you had Slayer who took it a little farther in the pure “thrash” direction (too far in my opinion; they’re a cartoon to me) and this isn’t quite far enough (or perhaps too far into the opposite direction). And the years are important; I missed Powermad the first time around, because by 1989, we already had Priest and Maiden and Metallica. DT – blending all that came before – was just on the horizon, but they took it a step further than this, incorporating the keyboards (the prog) into the mix. Here, the vocals are good, but the growls aren’t quite fierce enough, the screams aren’t quite wailing enough… it’s good but it’s kind of like dating the hottest girl in high school’s… younger sister. 6.5
Lethean: Katatonia, “Lethean”: Mystery solved! I still don’t know what a “Lethean” is, but I know where to find one if I need it! Actually not true; I know what “lethean” means; it’s not an “it”, but a descriptor of “oblivion”, and is a rather apt (in a good way) title for this song. Katatonia is a band I’ve heard a lot about here, and yet never heard them in any depth. I liked this; didn’t LOVE it, but like this. It feels as if it is of a piece. Musically solid (is it just me, or are you starting to really hear the Mike Portnoy influence in drummers of the next wave, of the last say, 10 years?), and seems to reveal little things throughout the song. Vocally, and before I recognized that it was, as I said, “of a piece”, I was waiting for it to go somewhere that it never did. Near the end was a nice, subtle layering of vocals that created a really cool, shimmering effect that really added something ethereal to the song, and as sometimes happens, that made the entire song click for me in a way that is really, almost, brilliant. “Oblivion” indeed. This is art. 8
Home: Alter Bridge, “Cry of Achilles”: Okay, so I’m human, like anyone else. I have my pet peeves, and my annoyances, but I also have my buttons. And this pressed it. Myles fucking Kennedy. I was perhaps one of about 14 people not named “Kennedy” that was really bummed when Myles went back to Alter Bridge and Slash went back to Axl. I REALLY liked the collaboration between the two, and through that I fell in love with Myles Kennedy (euphemistically, of course). I tried to get into Alter Bridge – I have the first record and Live In Amsterdam – but it seemed a harsher, more metallic version of what he was doing with Slash, and I prefer the more 70’s. Aerosmith/Zeppelin stylings of Slash (there’s even one “pair” of songs that to me sound like the same vocal line and chorus melody set over different backing tracks, and for my money, the Slash version is more slinky, more groovy and more… better). Except for this, the song of the round. I LOVED this. Rumor is, Myles sang with the remaining Zeppelin members for a spell, and this could have been from that session. Achilles! Acoustic guitar! A massive riff! Dark and light! The layered vocals! Another massive riff! The way he sings “EYES!” in the chorus! The processed vocals right before the solo! The solo! What more do you need? For me, nothing. I’ll have this album in my collection by Friday. 9
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Home: 9
jingle.boy: 8.5
Lethean 8
TAC 7.5
Mosh 7.5
elite 7.5
kingshmegland 7
lonestar 7
v_clortho 6.5
antigoon 6
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The Louvre is good tho
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In one round of this roulette Home has almost equaled his point total halfway through my roulette.
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Accolade II is a great song. My favorite from that album.
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it's only up from here baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
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The Louvre is good tho
It's not BAD, per se, but I struggled with that song. It's supposed to be the high point, the happy time, of a relationship that I understand later went south. Maybe it's the difference between a 50 year old man and a 20 year old girl. I don't have to feel it myself, but I have to see the line of sight from A to B. I don't agree with, say, John Mellencamp's politics, or Michael Stipe's, but when they sing a political song I get the emotion behind it. I see why they feel that way. I couldn't connect with that song that way. I'm not an overly religious person, and I certainly don't worship as he does, but when Neal Morse sings The Call, I feel like I want to run out in the street and testify. The emotion he's singing about is contagious. "The Louvre" struck me as being written by someone that was trying to convince themselves that they felt a certain way.
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Yes, that's literally what it's about, in the context of the album she's trying to convince herself she's in love when she knows she's not
But I can see why that wouldn't resonate so well, I probably would've sent liability myself if I were to send anything from that album
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Lethean: Katatonia, “Lethean”: Mystery solved! I still don’t know what a “Lethean” is, but I know where to find one if I need it! Actually not true; I know what “lethean” means; it’s not an “it”, but a descriptor of “oblivion”, and is a rather apt (in a good way) title for this song. Katatonia is a band I’ve heard a lot about here, and yet never heard them in any depth. I liked this; didn’t LOVE it, but like this. It feels as if it is of a piece. Musically solid (is it just me, or are you starting to really hear the Mike Portnoy influence in drummers of the next wave, of the last say, 10 years?), and seems to reveal little things throughout the song. Vocally, and before I recognized that it was, as I said, “of a piece”, I was waiting for it to go somewhere that it never did. Near the end was a nice, subtle layering of vocals that created a really cool, shimmering effect that really added something ethereal to the song, and as sometimes happens, that made the entire song click for me in a way that is really, almost, brilliant. “Oblivion” indeed. This is art. 8
Awesome. :) Stadler thinks Lethean is brilliant (my eyes are just skipping over that one little word in between). I'll file this away for if/when I decide to venture into the political threads... ;)
Regarding Portnoy influence... I'd be curious to know about that. The drummer on that song, Daniel Liljekvist, had been with them since the late 90s and he kind of grew as a musician during his tenure with them (as they all did I think). I read a few interviews with him and it seemed that he barely listened to metal at all when he joined; I think he was more into grunge and then Rage Against the Machine and he also said he likes electronic music. I'm sure he could very well have been influenced by DT somewhere along the way but I'd be curious.
So glad you enjoyed the song. I could very easily submit a different Katatonia song for every round of this roulette. (Why is it called a roulette anyway?). But I won't - I think I'll likely do a different band for each round, but maybe not... Anyway, I recommend just getting their entire catalog. :) (Or more realistically, getting some newer stuff and slowing working your way backwards if you're so inclined). Lethean is somewhat unusual because most of their songs don't actually have guitar solos, but it is representative in that dark, melancholic vibe that really is at their core.
Curious - after reading your comments, it would seem that you would rate Kingcrow (Right Before) higher than Symphony X. It seems like you liked the Kingcrow song quite a bit and the SX not so much... why did SX get a higher rating?
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Referring to ayreon as pretensious is a gross understatement lol
Fair assessment of my track, I like to say that they play with soul and purpose, not just to satisfy their own ego, that track is the first of a tremendous concept album, worth 70 minutes of your life for sure.
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And round 2 sent....
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In one round of this roulette Home has almost equaled his point total halfway through my roulette.
Was thinking/noticing the same thing.
Referring to ayreon as pretensious is a gross understatement lol
Fair assessment of my track, I like to say that they play with soul and purpose, not just to satisfy their own ego, that track is the first of a tremendous concept album, worth 70 minutes of your life for sure.
100% agree on both counts.
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And round 2 sent....
Me too, but I forgot to save it to my sent box, so let me know if you don't get it.
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In one round of this roulette Home has almost equaled his point total halfway through my roulette.
Was thinking/noticing the same thing.
Referring to ayreon as pretensious is a gross understatement lol
Fair assessment of my track, I like to say that they play with soul and purpose, not just to satisfy their own ego, that track is the first of a tremendous concept album, worth 70 minutes of your life for sure.
100% agree on both counts.
It's good to be back in the game man ;)
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Yes, that's literally what it's about, in the context of the album she's trying to convince herself she's in love when she knows she's not
But I can see why that wouldn't resonate so well, I probably would've sent liability myself if I were to send anything from that album
Huh; I got the "I'm happy" part; I totally supposed about the "convincing part". I'm not going to go back and change it, but if I had known that was actually her mindset, I might've given it a point for that. For me, I can appreciate (and rather like) when a artist goes for something and nails it even if it doesn't resonate for me (Alanis Morissette).
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Hmmm...thought the DXI would've scored a bit higher. Oh well. Will send Round 2 when I get home from work.
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Fantastic write-ups Bill. Loved 'em. And not surprised at all to see Cry of Achilles get the highest score. Good play, Home.
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Cry Of Achilles is an awesome song. Honestly, not a lot of AB stands out to me.
Sent my under 4 minute track for Round 2!
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Fantastic write-ups Bill. Loved 'em. And not surprised at all to see Cry of Achilles get the highest score. Good play, Home.
Yes the right ups are excellent. I'll work on another song over the weekend.
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Over the weekend? Let's f'n go!
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Im in Richmond VA. I'll be back home tomorrow dad.
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Im in Richmond VA. I'll be back home tomorrow dad.
Did you leave your songs at home? Perhaps you should've sent before you went on your trip, son.
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I do what I want when I want. Put a ring on me baby if you want to boss me around.😘
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You can have a ring, but don't expect me to put out.
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:lol
I'll be listening to many 4 minute songs or less on my way home.
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Seriously King? This fucking guy....
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Seriously King? This fucking guy....
Ginsu bitch, please.
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Curious - after reading your comments, it would seem that you would rate Kingcrow (Right Before) higher than Symphony X. It seems like you liked the Kingcrow song quite a bit and the SX not so much... why did SX get a higher rating?
Well, two things; one, I'm trying to make it NOT 100% about just "Stadler likes it" (think that voice the Life cereal commercials). That's a shade too random. It's a big part, that's the point of a roulette, but I want to have an element of objectivity too (thus the "Lorde" discussion; I really feel like I hosed antigoon with that score). Two, the write-ups can only be so long. I LOVED the music part of the Symphony X; the vocals bothered me (TAC: Same with the DXI; it got the score in some part because I still have a grudge against Glenn Hughes for that wailing on the live Deep Purple records from '74-'76). So there was a big dichotomy between the elements of the song. The Kingcrow was more... cohesive for lack of a better word in terms of the elements of the song.
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Curious - after reading your comments, it would seem that you would rate Kingcrow (Right Before) higher than Symphony X. It seems like you liked the Kingcrow song quite a bit and the SX not so much... why did SX get a higher rating?
Well, two things; one, I'm trying to make it NOT 100% about just "Stadler likes it" (think that voice the Life cereal commercials). That's a shade too random. It's a big part, that's the point of a roulette, but I want to have an element of objectivity too (thus the "Lorde" discussion; I really feel like I hosed antigoon with that score). Two, the write-ups can only be so long. I LOVED the music part of the Symphony X; the vocals bothered me (TAC: Same with the DXI; it got the score in some part because I still have a grudge against Glenn Hughes for that wailing on the live Deep Purple records from '74-'76). So there was a big dichotomy between the elements of the song. The Kingcrow was more... cohesive for lack of a better word in terms of the elements of the song.
I guess that makes sense. Though I don't know the voice you're talking about, I think Stadler likes it is probably the best way to do it.
Or, I dunno, maybe it's just the only way I could do it. :) To try to measure it off some invisible objective standard would just be too hard, because none of it is really objective. If I hadn't known you didn't like Joplin and gave you one of her songs, imo it would be totally fine if you gave it a low rating because you didn't like it, regardless of what critics might say or how much the song is liked on YouTube or how it might have influenced some of your favorite singers.
I would probably have considered giving you a different Symphony X song (one that I think is so beautiful), but I might also have held off because I remember you talking about not liking Russell Allen. Though I sort of assumed you didn't like his tough guy singing, but since you don't like Accolade either, I definitely won't. :)
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Hey Tim & RJ....
SENT!!!! :biggrin:
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Two, the write-ups can only be so long....
Really? After a year of walls of text in P/R, you choose the roulette to be succinct?
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:lol
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Two, the write-ups can only be so long....
Really? After a year of walls of text in P/R, you choose the roulette to be succinct?
:biggrin:
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Great AB submission Home. Brilliant song, one of the bands best and it deserves that score.
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Tomorrow I need to check out all the songs in the first round.
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Awesome :metal Already got more points than the first four rounds of Chris' roulette combined :lol
Great AB submission Home. Brilliant song, one of the bands best and it deserves that score.
Thanks! My favourite of theirs for shure, I was so happy when they played it live when I saw them on Graspop this year :angel:
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Awesome :metal Already got more points than the first four rounds of Chris' roulette combined :lol
Great AB submission Home. Brilliant song, one of the bands best and it deserves that score.
Thanks! My favourite of theirs for shure, I was so happy when they played it live when I saw them on Graspop this year :angel:
A definite highlight when i saw them this year too.
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:corn
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Elite! Elite! Wherefore art thou, Elite? (Pardon my misuse of the phrase).
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Seriously man? What a slacker...
Elite, here's a good rule of thumb, when he posts results, send your next fucking song. :tup
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I've taken to just sending a mega folder and posting songs way in advance, that way there's never any worry
Still need to send round 7 for Chris's roulette though
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Seriously man? What a slacker...
Elite, here's a good rule of thumb, when he posts results, send your next fucking song. :tup
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That is the best "word" meme ever! :lol
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Kingshmegland:8th grade badass!
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My fat ass years are in the early 30's buddy.
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Stadler, you need to clear your PMs. :)
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Kingshmegland: Butterfly Jones - “Sunshine and Ecstacy”: I liked this. I don’t know that it elevates to the best of the round, but it’s a good solid pop song, the kind that makes me hold the station on SiriusXM longer than I should. I’m also a sucker for cool harmony vocals, as at the start of the song. It had moments where I thought it was going to veer into the cemetery of a lot of “Power Pop”, where it gets too clever for it’s own good, but the fact that I misheard the lyrics (at first) as “Sunshine and ecstacy, please have sex with me!” helped avoid that, and when I did finally get the real lyrics, the message – an unbridled optimism – had me. It’s that joy, happiness and positivity that has drawn me into the world of many bands: Yes, Neal Morse, Night Ranger… (Two things: One, the singer in the video that followed this looked just like Dana Carvey when he sang “Brocolli!”. Two, King, you ran out of time; I listened to this about four times, and it started at 6 and got to 8; in another week, you’d have a 12!) 8
Antigoon: HAIM, “Want You Back”: I could rehash some of the things I wrote for Lorde here: “Do I get [HAIM]? I think so;” and “Do I like [HAIM]?”, and here I can’t decide. Nothing quite so self-conscious as Lorde, and I think that’s the difference. I certainly want to pull Danielle aside and ask her “Name two songs from that album on your shirt”, and I feel like she can’t, but the song itself is naked in a way that’s not uncomfortable, and naïve in a way that’s not disingenuous. I get the Michael Jackson vibe – which is a good thing – and while all I read was “channeling their inner Lindsey Buckingham!”, the touchstones with Fleetwood Mac are more ethereal than tangible. In contrast to Lorde – “For a happy song, I’m not sure a lot of “happy” came through” – a shit tonne of happy came through, and for that it resonates. Antigoon, I don’t want to get into a ton of rescoring; the impressions are what the impressions are, but I scored this a shade higher (a point? Half a point?) than I would have because I feel like I didn’t do your first round justice. 8
Jingle.boy: House of Lords, “Demons Down”: I really liked this. I was familiar with Gregg Giuffria’s work, and the band’s cover with “Can’t Find My Way Home” (which is EXCELLENT), but I had never heard this song (or album) before. I liked it for what it was; good, straight forward American rock and roll. I don’t think it broke new ground, or said anything new, but it was solid. I don't know; there isn't much to say here; they are a middle of the pack rock band, with more potential than actual success, but they put out well-played, well-written stuff that was half a step above the normal hard rock clichés. 7.5
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TAC: Golden Resurrection – “See My Commands”: Yngwie indeed. I literally listened to the instrumental demos from the first Alcatraz album this week, and this had that vibe all over it, in a good way. I don’t at all have a hang-up about lyrics – they were okay, if not a little trite – but I do have a hang-up about credibility. I was interested in the idea of the verses in the voice of the “man” and the chorus in the voice of “god”, but I was thrown a little by the vocals. It kind of struck me the same way it would if, say, Udo Dirkschneider was singing early Van Halen songs. Part of the thrill of early Van Halen was that only really David Lee Roth could pull that shit off without being even more of a clown than he was. Instrumentally, though, this was solid as, well, The Rock. 7
Mosh: Sheer Mag – “Can’t Stop Fighting”: I’ve said a couple times now that “I should love this”. Well, I should HATE this. Not my thing at all, lyrically, stylistically, or attitudinally, but it really stuck with me after hearing it. Doesn’t hurt that these guys (they’re not all guys; I think there are two women in the band) are now based in South Philly, where I used to live. I think knowing that gives it an authenticity that a lot of music of this ilk lacks. I can’t help, too, being influenced by the live version that played (on YouTube) right after, and filmed in literally a 10 foot by 12 foot living room somewhere in (as it looks from the shaky video) in South Philly. 8
Lonestar: Anathema – “The Gathering of the Clouds”: I think I may give Chad an aneurysm with this writeup, since it’s not going to give anything useful in terms of subsequent rounds. I fully cop to it if this is less consistent than what you’d want, but I’m going off emotion here, and I have to have SOME distinction. Generally, I find the new wave of prog-metal to be very same-y. It may be my inexperience with the genre, but there’s little to distinguish some of the music that I hear in these roulettes. But this song… it initially had the same-iness, and I was ready to give it a middle of the pack number, right along with the others, but a funny thing happened. I kept listening to it. It kept – and this is what did it – swirling in my head. Get it? Swirling? Gathering of the clouds? I have no idea what the album is about (the lyrics are a little at odds with the metaphor, and the next song, Lightning Song, didn’t continue the vibe for me) but this song really evoked a vivid image, and in doing so, stuck out a bit more. 8
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Elite: Muse, “Hysteria”: I should love Muse. I should be the biggest Muse fan on the planet, and for some reason, I am not. I recognize the talent, I recognize the innovation, but it just doesn’t always resonate. The instrumental break at about 2:45 is just… I love it. It’s the part of Muse that I do like, and that keeps me interested, even though I seem to get let down more often than not. When that breakdown comes back into the chorus, it’s by far the best part of the song for me. But the verses… that “Muse vocal” (you know what I mean) is often attributed to the “Queen influence”, but in my opinion, it just doesn’t capture the real essence of Freddie Mercury, and all his foibles. It either has a pretention that Freddie didn’t, or doesn’t have the heart and soul that Freddie did (not for me to say). But either way, it diminishes what, for me, could be an evocative band. It gets the score it does for the instrumentation and the subject matter. 7.5
v_clortho: Mozart – “The Dancing Shoe”: Just one? Where’s the other? I liked this. At least they acknowledged this in the lyrics (and told us they only had the left!). This is a band I had never heard of, but I found out it was a precursor to the The Flys, and I LOVED that song “Got You Where I Want You”. I can’t really tell if they are joking or not, and I suspect they are somewhere in between (the musicianship is top notch, in my opinion) and the singer is awesome in a Sunset Strip circa 1987 kind of way. Nothing deep here, no art in that sense of the word, but good clean fun, nonetheless. 7.5
Lethean: Leprous “From The Flame”: Another song where I can recognize the artistry, I recognize the high level of ability, but that was emotionally lacking. I’m not sure what this was shooting for, and it didn’t help that I got a little too much “Radiohead” from it. It’s clinically good, but can’t see myself going back to this. I try very hard not to have expectations in a song, and I studiously avoid saying “they should have done this”, but there were too many moments in this 3:55 song that tested my resolve (case in point: 1:23 through 1:27 or so). 6.5
Home: Biffy Clyro, “9 15ths”: “We’re on a house line, help us, help us!” I work using a house line and I love it; cell reception sucks in my basement… oh what? Wait… No seriously, I really liked this. I have heard of them, but not heard them, so I had the kind of preconceived notions you get with a “Scottish band named ‘Biffy Clyro’”, but it had good substance. It built nicely, I loved the vocals, and the music fit nicely with the vibe that was being portrayed (I understand the album is about death, but I don’t know to what this song specifically refers). 8.5
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Home: 17.5
jingle.boy: 16
Mosh: 15.5
elite 15
Kingshmegland: 15
lonestar: 15
Lethean: 14.5
TAC: 14.5
v_clortho: 14
antigoon: 14
Tight race. Check my math.
Next round: LIVE SONGS, bitches!
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Gonna get 7's every round I think. Sending a live track from one of the greatest live albums ever made.
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Don't give up; two rounds into my first roulette, and two things have struck me:
- there's a ton of good music out there.
- it's hard as shit to score this stuff. Some songs are what they are, but some songs have a "life" to them. It's fascinating. Just look at the score for "Sheer Mag". I would NEVER in a MILLION YEARS listen to that, let alone like it.
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Tim you Debbie Downer.
Stadler, you ever listen to the band Dada? And yes, he does look like Carvey there. :lol
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Why would you send a leprous song from the new album, it blows :lol
Like that's one of the better ones but it's still
Only okay at best
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"Sheer Mag".
Just checked it out. Hmm..
Instrumentally, it seems to have come right off of Unmasked. No wonder you liked it.
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Sheer Mag gave m vibes of Thin Lizzy and early Maiden with female vocals, which is why I picked it.
Don’t really hear an Unmasked vibe but I like that album a lot too.
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Sheer Mag gave m vibes of Thin Lizzy and early Maiden with female vocals, which is why I picked it.
Don’t really hear an Unmasked vibe but I like that album a lot too.
Yeah, I heard the Thin Lizzy vibes right off.
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Completely fair assessment of Demons Down and HoL in general. "Solid". Just happy to have beat Tim. :biggrin:
I'm gonna take a yuge risk wth this one. Well maybe not that YUGE, but it is time for a change.
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Completely fair assessment of Demons Down and HoL in general. "Solid". Just happy to have beat Tim. :biggrin:
I'm gonna take a yuge rsk wth this one. Well maybe not that YUGE, but it is time for a change.
I have a huge one..er..I mean, I took a huge one. Can't wait for Stadler to examine these lyrics!
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I'm taking a chance as well. Sent!
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Why would you send a leprous song from the new album, it blows :lol
Like that's one of the better ones but it's still
Only okay at best
The new Leprous album, like all Leprous albums before it, is awesome. However, I chose this particular track because enough non-Leprous fans have told me how much they loved it, couldn't get it out of their heads, and then started to listen to more Leprous as a result. So I thought it was worth a shot. It didn't work out in this case. But perhaps someone reading this will listen to the track, and find themselves walking around singing "you'll find me here..." with a smile on their face, and then decide to check the band out.
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Yeah the chorus is good but the rest is pretty meh for me
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Sented.
I have a huge one..er..I mean, I took a huge one. Can't wait for Stadler to examine these lyrics!
Bragging about how you can take a huge one. Slow down, Richard Gere.
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:lol
Walked into that didn't I.
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Someone say gerbil?
Toilet paper roll?
Tim?
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;D
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:lol
It's like you've been asked that before. :biggrin:
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I don't even know what you're talking about! :lol
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:lol
Walked into that didn't I.
Yup... Ass first
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:lol
Walked into that didn't I.
Yup... Ass first
Leave it to you to find my ass.
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Hard to when you offer it up all the time.
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Chad's the one riding. I'm just the peanut gallery. :lol
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I'm just the peanut gallery. :lol
Truer words have never been spoken. :lol
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So you're calling me small and thin.
Cool.
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And pretty. You forgot pretty.
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Well Duh.
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you guys bicker like a bunch of third graders.
Very good assessment of that song, though it should be heard in context especially after listening to the first two songs on the album Untouchable Pt1 & 2. I think most of the DTFers will agree it's one of the best four song runs out there.
And sent....my favorite band...
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I get all tingly for The Storm Before The Calm.
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I get all tingly for The Storm Before The Calm.
I still have to hold back manly tears during Lightning Song, especially when I'm singing in at full voice while driving.
Fuck I love music.
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it's even better when you see him live and it's so much more depth to the music.
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Stads, I'm totally fine with you scoring the songs however you see fit. I'm deliberately sending music that's probably outside of what you would normally listen to both because our tastes differ somewhat and I think it's interesting to get people's thoughts on stuff outside of their main musical wheelhouse (I hope this is OK), so I don't really expect to win or get great scores every round.
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Stads, I'm totally fine with you scoring the songs however you see fit. I'm deliberately sending music that's probably outside of what you would normally listen to both because our tastes differ somewhat and I think it's interesting to get people's thoughts on stuff outside of their main musical wheelhouse (I hope this is OK), so I don't really expect to win or get great scores every round.
Completely agree. I want to expand my music horizons.
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Stads, I'm totally fine with you scoring the songs however you see fit. I'm deliberately sending music that's probably outside of what you would normally listen to both because our tastes differ somewhat and I think it's interesting to get people's thoughts on stuff outside of their main musical wheelhouse (I hope this is OK), so I don't really expect to win or get great scores every round.
Dude, I'm fine with that! I'm really enjoying it. The one thing I don't want to do is just be "knee jerk" and dismiss anything without giving it a fair shake, and I didn't feel I did that in the first round. Keep it coming!
Oh, by the way, I have no hard rule (he said "hard"... hehehehehehe) about repeat bands. There are plenty of bands - Crimson, Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, Deep Purple - with different eras and different members that don't sound at all alike, so I'll put the limit at three, as I don't want eight songs from the same band, but if anyone wants to use a band twice, that's your risk.
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Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
Looking for a little more direction on this one. The general point is to send you music that you aren't already familiar with. If I were to send you a Rush song, you'd think I was nuts. But - this one is for the band you *most* think should be the next inductee. What if I think it's Maiden, a band whose entire discography you have? Do you want us to use that "most" criteria, regardless of whether you're familiar with the band, for this one round? And then you'll evaluate it based on whether you like the song we chose and how much you agree with the Hall of Fame selection? Or should it be "the band you most think should be the next inductee that I don't already listen to?"
I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose this round, since I can't imagine there being a band that meets the Hall of Fame criteria that I know about and you don't.
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I hear ya, I mean I got a lot of ideas for bands that should be in, but finding a song of theirs I like enough to warrant sending in a roulette is tricky. Most of the bands that should be in now, either Stadler probably knows them backwards and forwards (Maiden, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Slayer) or their bands from other sub genres where finding a likeable song will be tough. I think I've narrowed it down to two bands which just might work...
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
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I sent a PM regarding my round 3 submission, but maybe I can ask the question in here as well: would you be okay with me sending mp3-files instead of Youtube links in the event the song or live-recording I want to send is not on Youtube?
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
Yeah, but like Tim, Stadler probably has Kip Winger pillow cases.
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
Yeah, but like Tim, Stadler probably has Kip Winger pillow cases.
Shouldn't everyone?
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
Yeah, but like Tim, Stadler probably has Kip Winger pillow cases.
Shouldn't everyone?
I had to get rid of mine. The bulge was giving me such a crick in the neck...oy.
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
Yeah, but like Tim, Stadler probably has Kip Winger pillow cases.
Shouldn't everyone?
I had to get rid of mine. The bulge was giving me such a crick in the neck...oy.
That's strange, because *my* bulge gives mrs.jingle a crick in the neck. :zydar:
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So the crick lasts 5 minutes I bet.
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So the crick lasts 5 minutes I bet.
On a good day!
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So the crick lasts 5 minutes I bet.
On a good day!
That's all we need. :lol
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
Yeah, but like Tim, Stadler probably has Kip Winger pillow cases.
Wolfking has the sleeping bag. He sleeps with it inside out.
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Well, Winger isn't in yet.
Yeah, but like Tim, Stadler probably has Kip Winger pillow cases.
Wolfking has the sleeping bag. He sleeps with it inside out.
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Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
Looking for a little more direction on this one. The general point is to send you music that you aren't already familiar with. If I were to send you a Rush song, you'd think I was nuts. But - this one is for the band you *most* think should be the next inductee. What if I think it's Maiden, a band whose entire discography you have? Do you want us to use that "most" criteria, regardless of whether you're familiar with the band, for this one round? And then you'll evaluate it based on whether you like the song we chose and how much you agree with the Hall of Fame selection? Or should it be "the band you most think should be the next inductee that I don't already listen to?"
I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose this round, since I can't imagine there being a band that meets the Hall of Fame criteria that I know about and you don't.
I think it's the band that you think deserves... that complies with the bannination list. I hear you on Maiden; honestly, I can't think of a song by them I haven't heard (that includes Bruce, Steve and Adrian). The Cars, I have everything they've ever done, plus all of Ocasek's solo stuff and Ben Orr's one solo album (killer, by the way). But those might be the exception; I'm huge into Priest, but I have never heard a Ripper tune, and I'm not huge into Halford or Tipton's solo stuff. So there's that. Big into Motorhead, but honestly only familiar with the Fast Eddie/Robo material. I get just as much jazz hearing a song by a band I (thought I) knew, than I do some band I've never heard from before.
As for "whether I agree", no, I'm not going to torpedo your score if you send me Morrissey/The Smiths; even though I think they are very overrated, I get why they are in the conversation. It just has to be reasonable; don't send me something off one of Peter Criss's solo albums and try to tell me he belongs in the HoF as a solo artist.
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I had an idea earlier and this reply makes me think it might be a good one. But what's the bannination list?
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I had an idea earlier and this reply makes me think it might be a good one. But what's the bannination list?
There is no "list", but the stuff from the first post starting the roulette. If you can't tell, I'm going overboard to put the ball in you guys' court. I want to hear what you have to offer; I don't want to just tell you what to send. You've done amazing so far, so no reason to stop.
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Oh no, I'm not asking you to tell me what to send. I just didn't know what bannination is - something to do with the Hall of Fame, some Twitter lingo that I'm not familiar with (since you're now a member)... :) I guess it means the rules of the roulette, so I think I'm good.
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Tried to send the Round 3 song, but Stadler's PM Box is full!
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Tried to send the Round 3 song, but Stadler's PM Box is full!
Shocking!
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Fixed. I have to hide my porn somewhere. ;)
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Sending you the PM I meant to send Saturday right now!
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Kingshmegland: The Pineapple Thief - “Show A Little Love”: I liked this. I think. To be honest, I don’t really know what to make of it. It’s certainly another King sleeper, as it got better the more I listened to it, but it seemed to hit a peak. I took the lyrics to be about a failing relationship that was on the cusp of something momentous, so the tension of the music was fitting, but that tension has to go somewhere, and it didn’t. It didn’t factor into the score, but I contrast that with the song that played after, “The Final Thing Om Your Mind”, which was a more dynamic piece, reminiscent of Marillion. I think I want to hear more. 7.5
Antigoon: Anderson.paak “Come Down”: I’ll give you credit: FAR and away the most challenging submissions of this roulette have come from Antigoon, and I mean that in a good way. I had my doubts when it started, and repeated “my n***a’s” didn’t help (it seemed self-conscious). It’s not really my first choice of music, but as I listened, I could see two things that really endeared itself to me: one, it channeled all the right things about James Brown, and two, I really dig the concept of four guys standing there, facing each other, playing something like that that has swagger and groove. Probably not something I’ll revisit again, thus the score, but I’m better for having heard it, and I’m pleased that there is music like this out there. Four guys in a room… 7
Jingle.boy: Pretty Maids – “Pandemonium”: Well, it starts with Barack Obama talking, in quotes, about what is presumably climate change, so Jingle is capped at a fucking five right out the box. Ok, but we’re here to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt. Love the “Dio-esque” keyboard figure into some slamming hard rock, so we’re headed in the right direction… then the vocals come in. I toyed with a score of 0, but thought that would be too harsh, so we crept up to 1 or 2, but I still had to tough it out…. next thing I know, I’m bobbing my head along and even singing the chorus. I was impressed by the singer; that’s I think the opening song of the set, and unless he’s accustomed to blowing his wad on the first lap of the race, it’s a pretty impressive performance (and my assumption proved true with the second song I.N.V.U.) I liked this a lot; not the best of the group (that’s Lethean, this round) but pretty goddamn solid hard rock performed by guys that clearly have been doing this for a while and doing it pretty well. I’d listen to this again, in a heartbeat (and for the record, the first sentence is totally facetious). 8
TAC: Loudness – “Black Wall”: I had of course heard of Loudness, but to be honest, I can’t say that I’ve ever heard them before this. I know – or at least I think – they opened for Van Halen for a while, which is a double edged sword; VH is not known for taking headlining acts on tour with them (Private Life?). Musically it was good, and the singer sounds reminiscent of Klaus Meine, which is a certain plus, but it didn’t really gel. I had a hard time with the lyricism of the lyrics; I’m not saying that to be xenophobic, but near the end it just didn’t seem mellifluous, and so to me it reduced to sounding generic. 7
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Mosh: Iced Earth – “Burning Times”: Someone should introduce these guys to a band called Judas Priest; they might like them. Ha! I make myself laugh. It’s clear that they’ve heard their share of Priest, even down to the static bass player dressed all in black hiding out near the drum riser. I loved the guitars, particularly the harmony lines and the solo, and while the bulk of the vocals aren’t to my liking, the final “In every way you area a sinner!” at full Rob Halford, is a nice touch. It’s not enough to bring it up from what I consider NWOBHM mediocrity, which is not a good thing for a band from Tampa, Florida. 7
Lonestar: IQ - “Guiding Light”: This is clearly prog; face paint! I feel bad, because this might come off harsher than I intend, but this just seems so… derivative. Peter Gabriel singing a Phil-era Genesis song with Marillion as his backing group. The guitar solo was Steve Rothery playing with Wind-era Genesis behind him, and the keyboard solo was Mark Kelly’s best Tony Banks patch… and finally, the figure at 6:58 has been bugging me for two days because I know it’s a quote from somewhere and I can’t place. It’s still well done, well played, but as I get older I am really getting sensitive to the idea that “this has been done before”. Though I must say, the instrumental break was very well done; I’d listen to that again. If the vocals at the end were stronger, it might have scored higher; the great singers have another voice to go to when the crescendo hits (Fish: Heart of Lothian; Peter: The Musical Box; Jon Anderson: Heart of the Sunrise) but Peter Nicholls didn’t seem to have that extra gear. 7.5
Elite: Gary Clark, Jr. – “When My Train Pulls In”: I’ve heard a lot about Gary Clark, Jr., and I’ve heard snippets of his playing here and there, and always very impressed. This doesn’t change that, but it never seems to elevate above the genre. I’m not the hugest blues guy, but I like what the respected greats have done with the blues. This falls victim to that to a degree; none of the big names – past or present – were great singers, but I feel like the raspy voiced blues god has been done to death (Hendrix, SRV, Joe Perry, Joe Bonamassa) and this aspect brings this down. Guy’s a real talent, though, and it gets the score it does for the fact that the framework for that excellence feels like it’s held together with baling wire and duct tape. 7.5
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TAC: Loudness – “Black Wall”: I had of course heard of Loudness, but to be honest, I can’t say that I’ve ever heard them before this. I know – or at least I think – they opened for Van Halen for a while, which is a double edged sword; VH is not known for taking headlining acts on tour with them (Private Life?). Musically it was good, and the singer sounds reminiscent of Klaus Meine, which is a certain plus, but it didn’t really gel. I had a hard time with the lyricism of the lyrics; I’m not saying that to be xenophobic, but near the end it just didn’t seem mellifluous, and so to me it reduced to sounding generic. 7
I knew it was a 7. Again, I'm honestly not trying to win this, but being basically the same age, I just want to fill in some of the blanks that you may have missed. To me, Loud Live Alive is an amazing 80's live album. If you can get past the vocals and appreciate the great live capture, of course. If you can't I understand.
I'm going to send another 7 next round, but it's a track from an album that is severely forgotten by time.
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v_clortho: Devin Townsend – “Deep Peace”: I am absolutely confounded by Hevy Devy. My first exposure to him was the singing on Steve Vai’s “Sex and Religion”, and it totally turned me off to the guy (though I suppose I should revisit…). Couple that with the skullet pictures and the crazy faces after he lost the locks, and there was little to bring me back in the fold. Then, I saw a YouTube video where he wrote and recorded a song in real time, and I was FASCINATED by that; it was, to me, so bold and so transparent. Recently, for some odd reason, I clicked on the song excerpts on the website from “Transcendence” and was really impressed. This just continued the trend. It’s serious music, with heavy emotional impact, and yet… “Keep singing, I have to find the right patch!” I don’t think you let that kind of distraction in and still pull off that song unless that talent is just YOU, and that music is just IN you. I was really blown away by this performance, and feel like it may not have been him at his best, but it was really HIM. That is also the best use of growls I’ve ever heard (if you can call it that; at the seven minute mark, plus or minus). 9.5
Lethean: Ayreon – “Day 2: Isolation”: Holy crap. I loved everything about this. Best song of the round, maybe, so far, best song of the roulette. Well, “Deep Peace” might be that, but the whole package of this was just at another level. I loved the concept. I loved the music. I loved the execution. I loved the attention to detail. This was really over-the-top (as was the other Ayreon song) and pretentious, in the way that the best King Crimson and ELP is pretentious, but for me, at no time did it ever seem pretentious in a cloying, twee way (Love Beach) and never did it seem to overwhelm the actual music (in the way The Astonishing seemed to for me). 9.5
Home: Karnivool – “Themata”: Well, color me stupid. I always thought Karnivool was a nu-metal-ish band ala Korn or Five Finger Death Punch. I thought this was good; thought provoking, and musically interesting. I wasn’t ever able to get what I would consider a full grip on the song meaning, and the notion that “the world is a lie” has the potential to be rather cliché, but in the context of the song it works. I can say the same for Ian Kenny’s vocals; not usually a fan of the reedy tremulous voice he uses (or the falsetto) but again, in the context of the song, with the relentlessness of the music, it works. The only thing I didn’t care for is the sort of trite Kiss-like ending to the song; seemed out of place. 8
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@ Mosh, Burning Times has to be one of my least favorite IE tracks. With so many great tracks, that one does not compute.
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Home: 25.5
jingle.boy 24
Lethean 24
v_clortho 23.5
Mosh 22.5
elite 22.5
Kingschmegland 22.5
lonestar 22.5
TAC 21.5
antigoon 21
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I really like Karnivool as a band. Great dynamics.
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But hey, wasn’t Ayreon sent already?
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TAC: Loudness – “Black Wall”: I had of course heard of Loudness, but to be honest, I can’t say that I’ve ever heard them before this. I know – or at least I think – they opened for Van Halen for a while, which is a double edged sword; VH is not known for taking headlining acts on tour with them (Private Life?). Musically it was good, and the singer sounds reminiscent of Klaus Meine, which is a certain plus, but it didn’t really gel. I had a hard time with the lyricism of the lyrics; I’m not saying that to be xenophobic, but near the end it just didn’t seem mellifluous, and so to me it reduced to sounding generic. 7
I knew it was a 7. Again, I'm honestly not trying to win this, but being basically the same age, I just want to fill in some of the blanks that you may have missed. To me, Loud Live Alive is an amazing 80's live album. If you can get past the vocals and appreciate the great live capture, of course. If you can't I understand.
I'm going to send another 7 next round, but it's a track from an album that is severely forgotten by time.
I'm sorry, and you've touched on the absolute hardest part of this for me (and why I'm either never going to do another one, or I'm going to get right back in line and do one next week!) I get it, and there are a couple bands here that I've never heard, and I feel like if it was just a different song, it might click. Loudness (I LOVE the tone of the singer's voice; like I said, very Klaus Meine, who is one of my favorites). Gary Clark, Jr. (who can flat out PLAY). And especially, The Pineapple Thief (I even said as much, and cheated and listened to another song of theirs).
I have to say, though, good music all around, and I'm still reeling from the Devin Townsend performance. WOW that was good. By the way, anyone who has "By A Thread"; who's the woman on "Kingdom"? Is that Anneke van Giersbergen (or whatever her name is; I can't look her up at this moment, and I mean no disrespect to her, I just can't remember how to spell her name).
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But hey, wasn’t Ayreon sent already?
I said this above (Beavis joke and all):
"Oh, by the way, I have no hard rule (he said "hard"... hehehehehehe) about repeat bands. There are plenty of bands - Crimson, Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, Deep Purple - with different eras and different members that don't sound at all alike, so I'll put the limit at three, as I don't want eight songs from the same band, but if anyone wants to use a band twice, that's your risk."
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Well, I certainly don't mind losing to an Ayreon, considering this comes from my #2 album of all-time. Though, it kinda defeats the purpose of a roulette to send bands already submitted. I know... I know ... Stads ok'd it, but I just think it goes against the principles of a roulette. That's just me.
And yes, Ronnie-blowin-my-load Atkins is a helluva performer, and goes at it full throttle for a full set. There's a lot of miles under the hood there - and it looks like it. :D
Will contemplate the next submission, and send by tomorrow.
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Well, I certainly don't mind losing to an Ayreon, considering this comes from my #2 album of all-time. Though, it kinda defeats the purpose of a roulette to send bands already submitted. I know... I know ... Stads ok'd it, but I just think it goes against the principles of a roulette. That's just me.
I can't say I disagree with that in principle; I'm trying to be accommodating, realistic, and not bored off my ass all at the same time. :)
And yes, Ronnie-blowin-my-load Atkins is a helluva performer, and goes at it full throttle for a full set. There's a lot of miles under the hood there - and it looks like it. :D
Will contemplate the next submission, and send by tomorrow.
I think it's an open round? I'm thinking about changing the Round 7 "open" to something themed. What say you all; would you rather have free reign, or something to shoot for?
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Apparently Home is tackling this roulette with a vengeance after his performance in mine.
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It’s indeed Anneke (and you spelled her name right) on Devin’s Kingdom.
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If it makes you feel any better, I had that one picked out from the beginning, which is why I asked him about JLB projects. I don't plan on repeating any others.
And yes, that album and the live release is all kinds of awesome.
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I think it's an open round? I'm thinking about changing the Round 7 "open" to something themed. What say you all; would you rather have free reign, or something to shoot for?
I'm game for anything.
If only 'that's what she said'.
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Great picks for both Ayreon and Devy tbh
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Great submissions by Jingle and Home.
Stadler, talking about Ronnie blowing his load, get The Human Equation, pronto and you'll turn into Peter North.
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Oh, and everyone should have enough sense not to send Devin Townsend Project, or Star One, or anything like that.
Except me ... because I always cheat. :biggrin:
Kidding.
Maybe.
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Stadler hates Russell Allen, so no Star One submissions from me. :)
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Just sent my 7 for Round 4.
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Just sent my 7 for Round 4.
Are you Parama's dad?
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Just sent my 7 for Round 4.
Are you Parama's dad?
:lol
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Yeah that's why I'm leading in tac's roukette, it's rigged
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Yeah that's why I'm leading in tac's roukette, it's rigged
Not for much longer! :neverusethis:
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I was thinking more like, woe is me, I'm going to get another seven. :lol
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I was thinking more like, woe is me, I'm going to get another seven. :lol
Yeah, we got it. :P
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Glad you liked that groove :eyebrows:
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I was thinking more like, woe is me, I'm going to get another seven. :lol
Yeah, we got it. :P
Boo hoo. :biggrin:
now to work on the next song.
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@ Mosh, Burning Times has to be one of my least favorite IE tracks. With so many great tracks, that one does not compute.
Interesting. It is one of my favorites, but I did have a hard time choosing. There are others I prefer but I know Stadler puts a lot of worth into vocals and melody so i wanted something that had those elements plus IE’s power and classic metal influence (although apparently there was too much of that).
Anyway, Alive In Athens is my all time favorite live album (not counting anything Zappa).
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Yeah that's why I'm leading in tac's roukette, it's rigged
Not for much longer! :neverusethis:
I should've just sent the 26 min death metal epic, yolo and all
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Yeah that's why I'm leading in tac's roukette, it's rigged
I guess you're rubbing off on Tim.
Which I suppose is better than rubbing one off on Tim.
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edit nvm
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Deep Peace is just all sorts of :metal possibly my #1 Dev song. Amazing!
Also can't argue with the Ayreon submission. Themata is probably the best song I have heard by Karnivool but none of their albums have really clicked with me.
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Haven't heard too much of the music sent so far but I totally endorse that 9.5 on Deep Peace. Just a killer, killer track.
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@ Mosh, Burning Times has to be one of my least favorite IE tracks. With so many great tracks, that one does not compute.
Interesting. It is one of my favorites, but I did have a hard time choosing. There are others I prefer but I know Stadler puts a lot of worth into vocals and melody so i wanted something that had those elements plus IE’s power and classic metal influence (although apparently there was too much of that).
Anyway, Alive In Athens is my all time favorite live album (not counting anything Zappa).
Burning Times is a very safe IE song, but it's still a good one.
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The way I see IQ, they came about the same time as Marillion, and both were spawned of Gabriel Genesis. The difference was that when H took over for Marillion, they intrinsically changed as a band, whereas IQ never did, they just grew in that neo-prog vein. I'd argue that there 6 album run from Ever to Road of Bones will hold up to any other bands run for quality of output, there isn't a bad egg in the batch.
And Peter Nichols is the best. Ever. Period. :heart
Sending something completely different... ;)
Aaaaaaaaand sent.
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Themata is probably the best song I have heard by Karnivool
Then you haven’t heard all their stuff.
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I may not be the best to run a roulette, to be honest, because I am inclined to find something I like in everything, and I am LOATHE to just say "that sucks". Which means a lot of 7's and 7.5's. But whatever. I will say to you all, this is an exciting experience; I'm finding myself looking forward to each round more and more. And not to overstate things (or drop any clues, because I'm not) but I can't describe how much that DTP song has left an impression. I haven't been hit by a piece of music like that since... I'm not sure I can tell you when. Not even Neal Morse, because that was gradual (Beatles project -> Transatlantic -> Flying Colors -> Testimony -> TNMB, which is where he moved into one of my top three favorite artists).
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The way I see IQ, they came about the same time as Marillion, and both were spawned of Gabriel Genesis. The difference was that when H took over for Marillion, they intrinsically changed as a band, whereas IQ never did, they just grew in that neo-prog vein. I'd argue that there 6 album run from Ever to Road of Bones will hold up to any other bands run for quality of output, there isn't a bad egg in the batch.
And Peter Nichols is the best. Ever. Period. :heart
Granted I'm going off one song (well, actually two) but if I had gotten into them earlier, or even before Marillion (I've been a fan of Marillion since Misplaced Childhood was first released, and I still prefer the Fish era over the H era, as much as I love all of it), do you think I would be saying "Well, Misplaced Childhood is just Steve Rothery doing his best Mike Holmes impression, and Fish needs to thank Peter Nicholls for the makeup hints"? Except for Fish's voice, which I thought was VERY Gabriel/Collins-ish, and the obvious "Grendel closing section" (with the reference to "the looking glass", which as an American stood out for me) I never really got the "Genesis" thing with Marillion. I always thought they were WAYYYYYYYY more Floydian than Genesis.
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I may not be the best to run a roulette, to be honest, because I am inclined to find something I like in everything, and I am LOATHE to just say "that sucks". Which means a lot of 7's and 7.5's. But whatever.
I've gotten nothing but 7's. Apparently I'm on Roulette Welfare...
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I got a 6.5 in round 2, so I know he must have hated that song... It didn't even have Russell Allen on it. ;)
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I may not be the best to run a roulette, to be honest, because I am inclined to find something I like in everything, and I am LOATHE to just say "that sucks". Which means a lot of 7's and 7.5's. But whatever.
I've gotten nothing but 7's. Apparently I'm on Roulette Welfare...
Not at all; there was a lot to like - especially Collector of Souls - but when I get something with flaws (Loudness) and have to score it against something that rocked my world (DTP), it's going to be difficult.
I'm not going to lie, though, Lethean. Didn't like the Leprous. :) :) :) :)
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Protip for you younglings... don't send Leprous to fogeys.
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or just pick a leprous song fogeys might actually stand some choice of enjoying :corn
don't send boring tripe from malina and don't send one of their most intense songs to tac
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See, I thought From the Flame would be great for this. But I was going by personal experience - 2 of the people who got into Leprous through that song are Stadler's age. So I thought it could work for him. Obviously not. I'd love to send Forced Entry, but I didn't think he'd be down with the harsher vocal moments.
Malina is awesome though - every bit as high quality as everything else they've done.
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These open rounds are tough...too many options!
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When you say Malina is as good as everything they've ever done I can only think "why are you insulting their previous albums so viciously"
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I love all of their albums. Even the ones they don't like anymore. :) Every thing they've done so far is great, and different from what they've done in the past. I'm not saying Malina is my favorite Leprous album - not sure I really have one - but the quality is there.
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Glad you liked Deep Peace. I was nervous about sending Devin as he can be love/hate. The guitar playing on this may be my favorite on any song by any artist.
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But in Lethean's defense, I'm not your typical fogey. I'm not really a "genre" guy, in that I love me some Genesis and Yes and ELP and King Crimson, but most of the offshoots of those bands I don't get into. The Lamb through 3SL is my favorite Genesis period, but the very best Steve Hackett solo stuff is just "Meh" to me. Even Marillion, who I would consider one of my favorite bands, has three albums that are virtually unlistenable to me (This Strange Engine, Something Else, and Less is Less). Michael Schenker: LOVE the Gary Barden albums, don't even have ONE MSG album that doesn't have him (or Bonnet) as the singer. So there are no patterns with me.
I will say this, though: I'm four songs into the round and some of you are going to be surprised.
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or just pick a leprous song fogeys might actually stand some choice of enjoying :corn
don't send boring tripe from malina and don't send one of their most intense songs to tac
And don't send The Cloak to RJ. :lol
I think I'll give him something from Bilateral after the roulette.
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I feel like Painful Detour would be a good fogey track, I can't remember if it has growls but it's more melodic while still being pretty proggy and heavy
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I feel like Painful Detour would be a good fogey track, I can't remember if it has growls but it's more melodic while still being pretty proggy and heavy
I guess Restless could be good as well as RJ is alright with growls. Or a title track, it's more energetic and there's no "wailing" he complained about.
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I mean, the title track on Coal is the worst song on the album and one of the worst leprous songs in general
But Bilateral is pretty boss
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Coal is a work of art, start to finish, title track included.
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As I said before in plug.dj room, Coal is a weird one for me. I like a few songs (The Cloak, The Valley, Echo, Salt, alright maybe Foe too although I don't think it's a good opener), and then stuff like Chronic, Coal or Contaminate Me does absolutely nothing for me.
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If you're looking for a theme for Round 7....covers?
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Coal is a work of art, start to finish, title track included.
We already know I disagree with you about leprous
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Disagree to your heart's content. I'll just be enjoying Malina and Coal. And the Congregation too, just in case you don't like that one either. :)
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Coal is a work of art, start to finish, title track included.
:heart A contender for the best track of the album and one of my most played songs ever
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I'm just excited to see them live for the first time. Only three days left!
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Coal is a work of art, start to finish, title track included.
:heart A contender for the best track of the album and one of my most played songs ever
:) I fully admit that album took me some time to wrap my head around. Chronic and Coal are probably my two favorites, but they're all great.
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I like Coal but I think it's far from their best. I mean, my favourite Leprous song is Third Law or possibly Slave. I love all their albums and do think Malina is another strong release from them. Fogeys could easily find something to like with this band, I don't doubt that for a second. Also one of the best live bands I've seen in the last few years.
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Coal is the worst Leprous album
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I'm just excited to see them live for the first time. Only three days left!
You are in for a treat. :)
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Coal is the worst Leprous album
It's the weakest of their good albums that I have, at the very least
Way better than Malina though
Seriously Malina was disappointing as hell and Im upset I even bought it at all
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:corn
Way more action than the actual Leprous thread!
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:lol
I'll definitely try them out guys. Thanks.
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I wonder if Dare You would be a good song choice for a roulette... Not enough vocal lines maybe.
I think Coal is a moody album and one that you have to immerse yourself in before you really appreciate it. Maybe the band as a whole is that way. I didn't instantly love any of them, but my introduction to them was live, and they were so good that I was more than willing to dive into Tall Poppy Syndrome and overlook the harsh vocals, which I usually do not like. Dare You was an early favorite. (And of course Passing.) The second half needed more time.
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I have nothing against Coal, I just think it's their weakest. I do also think that Contaminate Me is one of their best songs and the album contains quite some other great parts as well.
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If you're looking for a theme for Round 7....covers?
YES! I like it!
Only qualification is that the cover has to be something released on its' own, and not just a song given to a band. Meaning, "Come Undone" by AMob would be acceptable (but please don't send it) because Duran Duran released it themselves, but "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll" by Priest would NOT, because Bob Halligan, Jr. didn't release it himself. Make sense?
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I don't know what to make of the fact that there are more posts about the band I probably liked the least here, than there are about ALL the other bands combined. :)
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Think I'm waiting on Home and Mosh...
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I have nothing against Coal, I just think it's their weakest. I do also think that Contaminate Me is one of their best songs and the album contains quite some other great parts as well.
Don't you think Aeolia is the weakest one? :)
Contaminate Me is insane (in a good way).
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I have nothing against Coal, I just think it's their weakest. I do also think that Contaminate Me is one of their best songs and the album contains quite some other great parts as well.
Don't you think Aeolia is the weakest one? :)
Well, yeah, but I think most people (including the band) don't consider this to be their first album, even though technically it was.
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I really find it hard to say which is my least favourite, even Aeolia has plenty to enjoy. If we're not counting Aeolia then it's either Coal or Malina, but they are both great.
I have to talk Leprous here because none of my friends in real life have a frickin' clue who they are!
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If you're looking for a theme for Round 7....covers?
YES! I like it!
Although this is a VERY limiting theme, I think I know exactly what I'm sending.
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I'd send the Shining cover of 21st Century Schizoid Man for lolz, personally
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I'd send the Shining cover of 21st Century Schizoid Man for lolz, personally
:lol
Good call
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Glad you liked Karnivool :metal
I really like Karnivool as a band. Great dynamics.
For shure! They really know how to balance loud and groovy parts with atmospheric, sometimes almost post-rockish music
Themata is probably the best song I have heard by Karnivool
Then you haven’t heard all their stuff.
THey definitely have better songs, but this one works really great in a live setting I think
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I'm only in here to mention that I heard Leprous for the first time today (album, Bilateral) and had a pleasant experience with it. :lol
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I'm just excited to see them live for the first time. Only three days left!
How was it?
I'm only in here to mention that I heard Leprous for the first time today (album, Bilateral) and had a pleasant experience with it. :lol
That's awesome. :) I thought about sending Stadler Restless, but decided against it. Maybe I should have done it anyway... :)
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:corn
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I'm just excited to see them live for the first time. Only three days left!
How was it?
Pretty damn great. The set could use more songs from Bilateral and Coal, but even then, the show was amazing. I loved that they added cello to their live setting for this particular tour, that was clutch for some songs from the new record.
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I'm just excited to see them live for the first time. Only three days left!
How was it?
Pretty damn great. The set could use more songs from Bilateral and Coal, but even then, the show was amazing. I loved that they added cello to their live setting for this particular tour, that was clutch for some songs from the new record.
I forgot that they were going to have live cello. Sounds great. I agree with you on their setlists in general - I think they could throw in some older stuff to mix it up, or even rotate the old songs on the tour. But they don't play a super long set, and I get that they want to focus on current material.
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Kingshmegland: A.C.T. – “A Truly Gifted Man”: I liked this. Always tough to drop into the middle of a concept album and settle in, but this was catchy enough to do the trick. I liked how the song flowed, and the chorus was one that I could sing over and over again. I really liked how the song moved from about 4:00 to the end, and as such, I let it play into the next song – “The End”, also from the concept – and it worked nicely. I got some recurring themes (of a sort) from that added listen, and it was really an enjoyable experience. (A‘course, no loss of points, but the band name will drive me crazy until I know why the initials and what they stand for!) 8
Antigoon: Vulfpeck – “Baby I Don’t Know Oh Oh”: I’m going to repeat myself: you deserve far and away the most credit for nerve, and for providing challenging submissions. It doesn’t reflect in the score for various reasons – you got basically an extra point primarily because Charles Jones is excellent, and I can see why you’d send this based on my previous comments (guys in a room) – but this one went way too far into annoying for me to really like it. These guys are full of themselves and not at all in a good way. I don’t at all get the sense of fun and exploration that I did with Anderson.paak song. Instead I get too much of a “look how cool we are, look how we groove, look how much musical taste we have!” vibe. This is Steely Dan without any of the good things that make up Steely Dan. (Full disclosure, I also watched “Birds of a Feather, We Rock Together” as well, and I wanted to dump a can of paint on the bass player – Joe Dart - and the dude with the beard – I think Theo Katzman, who LITERALLY sang five words the entire song - who were both acting as if they were headlining Wembley Stadium with Jesus and the Queen in the front row, as opposed to laying a basic groove for the guy who was really carrying the water (here, Antwaun Stanley). Tone it the f*** down). 7
Jingle.boy: Cloudscape – “In Silence We Scream”: This was an interesting song; I was getting into the intro, I was liking it a lot, but it started to drag a bit, and just as my enthusiasm was starting to fade, it changed it up (about 2:15 in) in a cool way. Then it went back to the intro, and I still liked it, but again, it started to drag, and just as my enthusiasm started to fade, what I would call the main riff kicked in (VERY reminiscent of a certain Petrucci lick on Six Degrees…). I liked the aggressive section that followed, and there was a unique timber to the vocals, though they started to seem like they were struggling, but just as I was about to write him off, what I would call the main chorus kicked in. I think you get the point by now; this was a song that tested, but rewarded, patience, and in the end I enjoyed it. (I liked the little fade out of the intro at the end too). This was good, melodic, progressive metal. 8
TAC: Lucifer’s Friend – “Everybody’s Clown”: I dug the SHIT out of this. I really, really liked this. Song of the round. It got the whole vibe of early 70’s heavy rock without making ANY of the common mistakes. It was Sabbathy and heavy, but it didn’t make the cardinal error of sludging up the guitars. Everyone assumes that “heavy” means more bass, more sludge, and everything on a detuned E string. Iommi was heavy, but if you REALLY listen, a lot of the voicings were higher up the neck and on the A and D strings; and Geezer carried the “heavy”. This band got that. I’m a sucker for the organ, too, and the vocals had the right amount of soul, sounding like a cross between early (Lonesome Crow) Klaus Meine and Glenn Hughes. Sorry to blow your scoring streak, though I don't think you'll complain… 9
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Mosh: Dramagods – “S’OK”: In theory, the perfect pick. I love Extreme, I love Nuno, I love the vocals that Nuno brings to Extreme… problem is that I also love Gary Cherone, and his (lack of) presence carries through this. Nuno’s voice is great in contrast with Gary’s, and their harmonies are just sublime. But here, some of the limitations of Nuno’s voice as a front man come clean. I’ve talked in the past about having that “other gear” to go to in the choruses or bridges, to bring the songs to the next level, and this song misses that. I don’t get the sense that it was a mood piece (which might require that kind of vocal) and so the song suffers a bit. The solo is pure Nuno, without question, and serves to give a little nuance, but it’s not enough. Good song, one that I was much anticipating, but not something that changes my world. 7.5
Lonestar: Anciients – “ Following The Voice”: Almost lost me with the opening growl, but this is actually a good example of how growls can add color. I’m a huge fan of that style of singing in the verses (“Many nights I have wasted…”); very reminiscent of the best of Alice In Chains. Heavy rock music that breathes and let’s the music do the talking without feeling like it has to be on 11 the whole time. I’m not sure there’s a whole lot more to say other than well-played hard rock that I’d listen to again. 8
Elite: Soen – “Opal”: I thought this was okay, but it never elevated. I really dug the guitars – there were moments where I kind of thought it was a sort of metal Grateful Dead because of the sort of lines that were being played. The vocals were okay, actually very good at times, but sort of monotone. I don’t know; this was a good pick in the sense of “what might Stadler like?” but it just didn’t connect in any exceptional way, for some reason. 7.5
v_clortho: The Dear Hunter – “The Bitter Suite IV and V”: This is “Zooropa” to “Achtung Baby”. “The Final Cut” to “The Wall”. “Tormato” to “Going For The One”. You changed my world with the previous submission (DTP – “Deep Peace”; I can’t stop talking about it) but this didn’t do anything for me. I have heard so much about this band – if I’m not mistaken, SoundscapeMN has written about them in his blog often – and I am familiar enough with their ethos that I know that it’s probably risky to just pick a song out of the ether and expect to get it, but there should be some signature sound or offering for a band, and if this is it, this isn’t a band I’m going to visit very often. I don’t mind the quirky-ness in and of itself, as long as it serves a point, but I get no sense that it IS serving a larger point. I thought about giving an extra half point because the version you sent was published on my birthday, and then I realized that probably told me all I needed to know about this song if that’s what I noticed. In the end, I didn't really like this very much. 6.5
Lethean: Threshold – “Light and Space”: I really liked this. It had a real Dream Theater vibe in the intro, and while some of the guitars resorted to that heavy, grungy sound that JP goes for, the choruses were so beautiful, and beautifully in contrast, that it worked. I also liked that guitar figure at about 2:30; it’s been stuck in my head for days. I really liked the vocals (and no, not because he passed in a tragic way), though I’m not convinced it was him, and not just because they fit the song perfectly; I’d have to hear more to really pass any judgment on him, but it worked in this song very well. 8.5
Home: Nothing More – “Go To War”: hardest song of the group to score, I’ll give you that. I liked the concept – interpersonal relationships as a form of war – and (for the most part) the execution, but there was something just a shade emo about the falsetto verses and the while I liked the chorus for the most part, the central section – “… And tell you to fuck off!” – that seemed gratuitous. I also didn’t care for the extrapolations on the second chorus, and I didn’t understand the ending. At first I thought I was overthinking this, but then I realized that’s exactly what the band wants us to do, and so I feel I have no choice but to give it a… 7.5
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Home: 33
Lethean 32.5
jingle.boy 32
Kingshmegland 30.5
lonestar 30.5
TAC 30.5
v_clortho 30
Mosh 30
elite 30
antigoon 28
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Cool... still within striking distance.
It's rock 'n' roll HOF induction time now, right?
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Yes'm'sir.
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Not bad, not bad. Now to think of a new song to send.
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Breathing a sigh of relief at that one. Obviously I would recommend all of my picks so far, but I really think there's a good chance that you'll like Threshold; there's more where that came from, though of course they aren't *all* as good as that one. I guess the lyrics weren't off putting, or at least not too much?
Very nervous about the next couple rounds. I already sent the Hal of Fame track since it was literally the only thing I could think of.
Question for the instrumental round - do songs with vocalizations, but no actual words, count? For example, Limbo?
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You definitely need some Threshold in your life, Stadler. Lethean should've recommended Pilot In The Sky Of Dreams, but I'll let that slide :lol :biggrin:
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The longer tracks on that album are f'in insane, well worth a spin. I've been addicted to their stuff since I saw them earlier this year.
And now for the round that has been scaring the crap out of me....here goes nothing man...
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Awesome pick TAC. I’m jealous I didn’t think of them myself. The missing link between Sabbath and Zeppelin imo
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Awesome pick TAC. I’m jealous I didn’t think of them myself. The missing link between Sabbath and Zeppelin imo
...and Deep Purple..
You know them? Wow!
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Yea they released a compilation a few years ago that I read about on some metal blog. I thought it was a new band at first and was very impressed at how they captured that early Metal production sound. :lol
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And sent.
*waits for a 2*
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Yea they released a compilation a few years ago that I read about on some metal blog. I thought it was a new band at first and was very impressed at how they captured that early Metal production sound. :lol
That's right. It had 4 new tracks. I bought the new tracks.
Mosh, you might dig their 1981 album Mean Machine. Their singer left in the late 70's and did a couple of albums with Uriah Heep. But then returned for Mean Machine. It's pretty close to the NWOBHM. It's a TAC Top 50 Album.
I don't think the entire album is on YouTube, but there are a number of tracks posted.
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I guess you can't knock it out of the park every at-bat. 1 out of 4 ain't bad.
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Despite loving the heck out of Vulfpeck I gotta say you tearing them apart was a great read even if I couldn't agree less with your take on these cats :lol
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v_clortho: The Dear Hunter – “The Bitter Suite IV and V”: This is “Zooropa” to “Achtung Baby”. “The Final Cut” to “The Wall”. “Tormato” to “Going For The One”. You changed my world with the previous submission (DTP – “Deep Peace”; I can’t stop talking about it) but this didn’t do anything for me. I have heard so much about this band – if I’m not mistaken, SoundscapeMN has written about them in his blog often – and I am familiar enough with their ethos that I know that it’s probably risky to just pick a song out of the ether and expect to get it, but there should be some signature sound or offering for a band, and if this is it, this isn’t a band I’m going to visit very often. I don’t mind the quirky-ness in and of itself, as long as it serves a point, but I get no sense that it IS serving a larger point. I thought about giving an extra half point because the version you sent was published on my birthday, and then I realized that probably told me all I needed to know about this song if that’s what I noticed. In the end, I didn't really like this very much. 6.5
I've probably toyed with sending a Dear Hunter song every round so far but could never land on what I thought was the single best introductory track that you would have liked. Might have sent something a bit more uptempo and straightforward for a newcomer. I'd maybe consider giving them another chance.
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Sent... and I'm headed for somewhere, that's for sure.
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Breathing a sigh of relief at that one. Obviously I would recommend all of my picks so far, but I really think there's a good chance that you'll like Threshold; there's more where that came from, though of course they aren't *all* as good as that one. I guess the lyrics weren't off putting, or at least not too much?
Very nervous about the next couple rounds. I already sent the Hal of Fame track since it was literally the only thing I could think of.
Question for the instrumental round - do songs with vocalizations, but no actual words, count? For example, Limbo?
I'll take that. Great Gig In The Sky, too, for example. As much as I love the song, I would not accept Duke's End, though, because of the repeat of "Guide Vocal". Gotta draw the line somewhere.
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v_clortho: The Dear Hunter – “The Bitter Suite IV and V”: This is “Zooropa” to “Achtung Baby”. “The Final Cut” to “The Wall”. “Tormato” to “Going For The One”. You changed my world with the previous submission (DTP – “Deep Peace”; I can’t stop talking about it) but this didn’t do anything for me. I have heard so much about this band – if I’m not mistaken, SoundscapeMN has written about them in his blog often – and I am familiar enough with their ethos that I know that it’s probably risky to just pick a song out of the ether and expect to get it, but there should be some signature sound or offering for a band, and if this is it, this isn’t a band I’m going to visit very often. I don’t mind the quirky-ness in and of itself, as long as it serves a point, but I get no sense that it IS serving a larger point. I thought about giving an extra half point because the version you sent was published on my birthday, and then I realized that probably told me all I needed to know about this song if that’s what I noticed. In the end, I didn't really like this very much. 6.5
I've probably toyed with sending a Dear Hunter song every round so far but could never land on what I thought was the single best introductory track that you would have liked. Might have sent something a bit more uptempo and straightforward for a newcomer. I'd maybe consider giving them another chance.
Dude, I'm wide open. You'll note that I will on occasion listen to another song or two, just to see if the submitted song is "indicative", but just because I don't like one song, doesn't mean I won't like something else, especially something like the Dear Hunter song, which wasn't about "not liking the growls" or whatever. That one was about the song. I'll give anything a listen (and not just because it's required as part of the roulette).
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Despite loving the heck out of Vulfpeck I gotta say you tearing them apart was a great read even if I couldn't agree less with your take on these cats :lol
On the song you sent, I LOVED the guitar sound, and I thought the lick they were playing was really cool. Charles Jones, could listen to him all day long. But you have no idea how annoying I found the way the bass player was grooving on what was basically a mid-tempo, 4/4 shuffle, and as annoying as that was, it was pure love compared to how apoplectic I got watching that jack-ass hold the fancy, studio Sennheiser microphone, doing the "pitch thing" with his left hand, eyes closed the entire time... and he sang FIVE FUCKING WORDS, as background, no less. Haha.
One thing that has been sticking with me... what's the origin of "Vulfpeck"? Is it a phonetic thing? It sounds like an old Eastern European (or Jewish) grandmother saying "wolfpack".
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Even though it's not "rock" or "metal" per se, given the Gene Simmons avatar I'd have thought that music that actually moves like Vulfpeck would score higher than some of the type of this rigid, boring, vanilla prog metal that's getting scored highly. Different strokes I suppose but I'm genuinely surprised to see Stadler liking stuff like Threshold.
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v_clortho: The Dear Hunter – “The Bitter Suite IV and V”: This is “Zooropa” to “Achtung Baby”. “The Final Cut” to “The Wall”. “Tormato” to “Going For The One”. You changed my world with the previous submission (DTP – “Deep Peace”; I can’t stop talking about it) but this didn’t do anything for me. I have heard so much about this band – if I’m not mistaken, SoundscapeMN has written about them in his blog often – and I am familiar enough with their ethos that I know that it’s probably risky to just pick a song out of the ether and expect to get it, but there should be some signature sound or offering for a band, and if this is it, this isn’t a band I’m going to visit very often. I don’t mind the quirky-ness in and of itself, as long as it serves a point, but I get no sense that it IS serving a larger point. I thought about giving an extra half point because the version you sent was published on my birthday, and then I realized that probably told me all I needed to know about this song if that’s what I noticed. In the end, I didn't really like this very much. 6.5
I've probably toyed with sending a Dear Hunter song every round so far but could never land on what I thought was the single best introductory track that you would have liked. Might have sent something a bit more uptempo and straightforward for a newcomer. I'd maybe consider giving them another chance.
Dude, I'm wide open. You'll note that I will on occasion listen to another song or two, just to see if the submitted song is "indicative", but just because I don't like one song, doesn't mean I won't like something else, especially something like the Dear Hunter song, which wasn't about "not liking the growls" or whatever. That one was about the song. I'll give anything a listen (and not just because it's required as part of the roulette).
I have actually sent this exact same song to someone in a roulette in the past (Evermind) and it turned out pretty good. This is definitely one of their more theater-y songs, and one of the more polarizing ones in their discography. While TDH are always very dramatic in a way that may be offputting, I think you'd like some of their more straightforward rock songs. The short, dark, epic rocker "Wait (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psKsI6K5VJk)" or the lead single from their latest album "Gloria (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZPLsrOzLew)" would've probably been my decision
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v_clortho: The Dear Hunter – “The Bitter Suite IV and V”: This is “Zooropa” to “Achtung Baby”. “The Final Cut” to “The Wall”. “Tormato” to “Going For The One”. You changed my world with the previous submission (DTP – “Deep Peace”; I can’t stop talking about it) but this didn’t do anything for me. I have heard so much about this band – if I’m not mistaken, SoundscapeMN has written about them in his blog often – and I am familiar enough with their ethos that I know that it’s probably risky to just pick a song out of the ether and expect to get it, but there should be some signature sound or offering for a band, and if this is it, this isn’t a band I’m going to visit very often. I don’t mind the quirky-ness in and of itself, as long as it serves a point, but I get no sense that it IS serving a larger point. I thought about giving an extra half point because the version you sent was published on my birthday, and then I realized that probably told me all I needed to know about this song if that’s what I noticed. In the end, I didn't really like this very much. 6.5
I've probably toyed with sending a Dear Hunter song every round so far but could never land on what I thought was the single best introductory track that you would have liked. Might have sent something a bit more uptempo and straightforward for a newcomer. I'd maybe consider giving them another chance.
Dude, I'm wide open. You'll note that I will on occasion listen to another song or two, just to see if the submitted song is "indicative", but just because I don't like one song, doesn't mean I won't like something else, especially something like the Dear Hunter song, which wasn't about "not liking the growls" or whatever. That one was about the song. I'll give anything a listen (and not just because it's required as part of the roulette).
I have actually sent this exact same song to someone in a roulette in the past (Evermind) and it turned out pretty good. This is definitely one of their more theater-y songs, and one of the more polarizing ones in their discography. While TDH are always very dramatic in a way that may be offputting, I think you'd like some of their more straightforward rock songs. The short, dark, epic rocker "Wait (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psKsI6K5VJk)" or the lead single from their latest album "Gloria (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZPLsrOzLew)" would've probably been my decision
I was torn on which song to send. It was between what I sent and "The Inheritance", "The March" or "Mr. Usher". The better way to go probably would have been something like "Waves"
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Despite loving the heck out of Vulfpeck I gotta say you tearing them apart was a great read even if I couldn't agree less with your take on these cats :lol
On the song you sent, I LOVED the guitar sound, and I thought the lick they were playing was really cool. Charles Jones, could listen to him all day long. But you have no idea how annoying I found the way the bass player was grooving on what was basically a mid-tempo, 4/4 shuffle, and as annoying as that was, it was pure love compared to how apoplectic I got watching that jack-ass hold the fancy, studio Sennheiser microphone, doing the "pitch thing" with his left hand, eyes closed the entire time... and he sang FIVE FUCKING WORDS, as background, no less. Haha.
One thing that has been sticking with me... what's the origin of "Vulfpeck"? Is it a phonetic thing? It sounds like an old Eastern European (or Jewish) grandmother saying "wolfpack".
Lol I think Dart was just feeling the groove. No comment on Theo's hand maneuvers :lol It's interesting that from your comments you seem to get an air of pretension from these guys when their whole thing basically is that they run a pretty much totally low-budget, DIY operation. Heck, they even have tutorial vids for playing their own songs on their YT channel. But I will grant you that their, uh, aesthetic can be a bit weird at times, even for me. If you're still curious (and for anyone else) here's probably their two most popular songs, "1612" (it's about a pin number) and "Back Pocket."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRHQPG1xd9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5pYL-Y--To
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Even though it's not "rock" or "metal" per se, given the Gene Simmons avatar I'd have thought that music that actually moves like Vulfpeck would score higher than some of the type of this rigid, boring, vanilla prog metal that's getting scored highly. Different strokes I suppose but I'm genuinely surprised to see Stadler liking stuff like Threshold.
Some of that is on me, though. I know what you're saying. I can't explain it, but my bullshit meter kind of goes crazy with stuff like Vulfpeck. I played in a band in Philly - I was a Mummer, for anyone that knows what that is - and our rehearsals would be a group of guys in a room, facing each other, and jamming for three hours. Best times of my (musical) life, and there were guys in that room (not me) that were as able as any of the "heroes" we worship, but for various reasons (usually either "kids" or "their own heads"), they didn't get out. And a lot of those guys were aware of their ability, but were, for lack of a better word, bitter, and so there was no pretense, no bullshit, no playing around. No "look how cool I am" because the guy next to you was invariably way cooler. It was just about playing for fun, and getting the best version of whatever it was we were trying to get to. So I don't really like "musical superiority" or "musical snobbery" very much.
It's kind of why I love Kiss so much. Yeah, money, I get it, but they make no bones about what they do and why they do it, and I love that.
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The bitter suite songs never tend to be among my faves off TDH albums tbh even though the theatery side of TDH can work for me in other songs
They're okay enough songs at least
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Even though it's not "rock" or "metal" per se, given the Gene Simmons avatar I'd have thought that music that actually moves like Vulfpeck would score higher than some of the type of this rigid, boring, vanilla prog metal that's getting scored highly. Different strokes I suppose but I'm genuinely surprised to see Stadler liking stuff like Threshold.
So... I've been wondering if I should reply to this or ignore it. I'll guess I'll just say - I think it was uncalled for. One man's boring music is another's treasure, or what have you.
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One man's boring music is another's treasure, or what have you.
So true.
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Even though it's not "rock" or "metal" per se, given the Gene Simmons avatar I'd have thought that music that actually moves like Vulfpeck would score higher than some of the type of this rigid, boring, vanilla prog metal that's getting scored highly. Different strokes I suppose but I'm genuinely surprised to see Stadler liking stuff like Threshold.
Some of that is on me, though. I know what you're saying. I can't explain it, but my bullshit meter kind of goes crazy with stuff like Vulfpeck. I played in a band in Philly - I was a Mummer, for anyone that knows what that is - and our rehearsals would be a group of guys in a room, facing each other, and jamming for three hours. Best times of my (musical) life, and there were guys in that room (not me) that were as able as any of the "heroes" we worship, but for various reasons (usually either "kids" or "their own heads"), they didn't get out. And a lot of those guys were aware of their ability, but were, for lack of a better word, bitter, and so there was no pretense, no bullshit, no playing around. No "look how cool I am" because the guy next to you was invariably way cooler. It was just about playing for fun, and getting the best version of whatever it was we were trying to get to. So I don't really like "musical superiority" or "musical snobbery" very much.
It's kind of why I love Kiss so much. Yeah, money, I get it, but they make no bones about what they do and why they do it, and I love that.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I would say I'm probably one of the .01% of people on this forum who stand with you in thinking that Kiss are/were a million times better than most self-described "prog" metal. Why? Because, although they weren't the best players, they fundamentally understood that rock music was supposed to move you, that rules are meant to be broken, and that music is something that energizes and empowers. Ironically, it seems like the only place I consistently find this mentality anymore is in hip hop, funk, rap, soul, electronic music, and other related genres. Ironically, I don't find this approach in rock, no matter how hard I try, and even less often do I find it from "prog" metal bands, who compose as if they are doing a project for a music theory seminar. Anyway, I don't want to derail your roulette, but I genuinely thought you might be able to appreciate my perspective.
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Even though it's not "rock" or "metal" per se, given the Gene Simmons avatar I'd have thought that music that actually moves like Vulfpeck would score higher than some of the type of this rigid, boring, vanilla prog metal that's getting scored highly. Different strokes I suppose but I'm genuinely surprised to see Stadler liking stuff like Threshold.
Some of that is on me, though. I know what you're saying. I can't explain it, but my bullshit meter kind of goes crazy with stuff like Vulfpeck. I played in a band in Philly - I was a Mummer, for anyone that knows what that is - and our rehearsals would be a group of guys in a room, facing each other, and jamming for three hours. Best times of my (musical) life, and there were guys in that room (not me) that were as able as any of the "heroes" we worship, but for various reasons (usually either "kids" or "their own heads"), they didn't get out. And a lot of those guys were aware of their ability, but were, for lack of a better word, bitter, and so there was no pretense, no bullshit, no playing around. No "look how cool I am" because the guy next to you was invariably way cooler. It was just about playing for fun, and getting the best version of whatever it was we were trying to get to. So I don't really like "musical superiority" or "musical snobbery" very much.
It's kind of why I love Kiss so much. Yeah, money, I get it, but they make no bones about what they do and why they do it, and I love that.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I would say I'm probably one of the .01% of people on this forum who stand with you in thinking that Kiss are/were a million times better than most self-described "prog" metal. Why? Because, although they weren't the best players, they fundamentally understood that rock music was supposed to move you, that rules are meant to be broken, and that music is something that energizes and empowers. Ironically, it seems like the only place I consistently find this mentality anymore is in hip hop, funk, rap, soul, electronic music, and other related genres. Ironically, I don't find this approach in rock, no matter how hard I try, and even less often do I find it from "prog" metal bands, who compose as if they are doing a project for a music theory seminar. Anyway, I don't want to derail your roulette, but I genuinely thought you might be able to appreciate my perspective.
I very much do appreciate your perspective. I don't think we're coming at this fundamentally differently, but I think there's a difference between music that is what it is - and it moves you or doesn't - and music that is calculated to be a certain way. I don't want to bad mouth Vulfpeck too much, because a) I don't want to hurt antigoon's feelings, b) I actually didn't think it was BAD, I just didn't like the vibe, and c) it's all music and therefore subjective, but it bugged me that I almost felt... left out, for lack of a better word, because (and again, I'm talking about two different songs here, but condensing them for space reasons) Joe Bart and Theo were so over the top expressing something that I patently wasn't feeling. And I get it; I listen to a ton of music where that happens (I don't at all feel the rage in the heavier music I listen to) but it was almost condescending in a way that I can't put my finger on. I'm going to piss people off here, maybe, but I don't see much difference in Theo doing the pitchy hand thing while singing - and thereby indicating how seriously he is, and by extension, we should be, taking this music - and any of the saccharine pop music that is calculated to be a certain way. it's why I referenced Steely Dan in the writeup, because the Dan took their music painfully seriously, but we as the audience were never told that we had to too.
It's also why I'm souring on Mike Portnoy a little bit, because I think the notion of "87 bands" has channeled him into calculating what he should play. "This is my prog band, so I'm going to do THIS", and "this is my METAL band, so I'm going to do THIS". The best part of Dream Theater to me was when you had James singing like Steve Perry from Journey, you had John playing like Alex Lifeson from Rush, you had Mike playing like a cross between Keith Moon and Ringo Starr, and Kevin playing like I don't know who, but not anyone in the prog or metal field, that's for sure. And yet it worked.
I've told this story before, but I took my kid to see Kiss in 2014, with Def Leppard opening. Now, this wasn't nearly her first concert, or even her first rock concert, but after Def Leppard, she asked me "did they play all that or where they playing to a tape?", and I told her "they played every note except for a couple of keyboard things" (which was, as far as I can tell, true). She couldn't believe people could play instruments like that. Then Kiss came out and it was a lackluster show for the first four songs or so, then Gene's rig failed (he was left hanging about five feet off the stage) and he was PISSED. You could palpably tell how angry he was, and you could see him barking at one of the roadies on the side of the stage. And from that point on, even with Paul's now shitty voice, it was one of the best Kiss shows I've ever seen (I'm well into double digits at this point). You could physically tell the band kicked it up a notch, and my daughter noticed it too. The next day, she posted a screen shot of the explosions during RnRAN, and put the caption "Greatest night of my life."
I'm way off on a tangent now, but it's my roulette so there. :) Good discussion.
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I love Kiss but I don't really see the point in comparing them to progressive Metal. They appeal to very different sides of my musical tastes and (as far as I'm concerned) there's room for both.
Edit: Still trying to figure out what song to send, this is tricky.
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me when i listen to vulfpeck
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/31/11/2FB3B11600000578-3379989-image-m-30_1451562504278.jpg)
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Even though it's not "rock" or "metal" per se, given the Gene Simmons avatar I'd have thought that music that actually moves like Vulfpeck would score higher than some of the type of this rigid, boring, vanilla prog metal that's getting scored highly. Different strokes I suppose but I'm genuinely surprised to see Stadler liking stuff like Threshold.
Some of that is on me, though. I know what you're saying. I can't explain it, but my bullshit meter kind of goes crazy with stuff like Vulfpeck. I played in a band in Philly - I was a Mummer, for anyone that knows what that is - and our rehearsals would be a group of guys in a room, facing each other, and jamming for three hours. Best times of my (musical) life, and there were guys in that room (not me) that were as able as any of the "heroes" we worship, but for various reasons (usually either "kids" or "their own heads"), they didn't get out. And a lot of those guys were aware of their ability, but were, for lack of a better word, bitter, and so there was no pretense, no bullshit, no playing around. No "look how cool I am" because the guy next to you was invariably way cooler. It was just about playing for fun, and getting the best version of whatever it was we were trying to get to. So I don't really like "musical superiority" or "musical snobbery" very much.
It's kind of why I love Kiss so much. Yeah, money, I get it, but they make no bones about what they do and why they do it, and I love that.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I would say I'm probably one of the .01% of people on this forum who stand with you in thinking that Kiss are/were a million times better than most self-described "prog" metal. Why? Because, although they weren't the best players, they fundamentally understood that rock music was supposed to move you, that rules are meant to be broken, and that music is something that energizes and empowers. Ironically, it seems like the only place I consistently find this mentality anymore is in hip hop, funk, rap, soul, electronic music, and other related genres. Ironically, I don't find this approach in rock, no matter how hard I try, and even less often do I find it from "prog" metal bands, who compose as if they are doing a project for a music theory seminar. Anyway, I don't want to derail your roulette, but I genuinely thought you might be able to appreciate my perspective.
WTF did you even say??
Stadler, I (me) am getting a headache (though some may call it a pain in the cranium) because a) there's a lot of "(these things)" and b) there also many (a lot) of ("(these things)") in your posts.
I am interested in what you have to say, as in- relating your musical and (musical) related experiences. So when I see and therefore try (endeavor) to read, I get that "Oh cool, this guy has been around lets see what he has to say" feeling, except what usually happens is a) I get get so confused with 1) too much punctuation, and 2) too many lines of thought, and b) I forget what we are even talking about.
I am college educated -which was a great time(of course) which shows that a) I graduated high school, and b) I partied, though not like a "pin the tail on the donkey" party but 1) involved alcohol and 2) sometimes weed. But I get very confused, kind of in a "what is he talking about" way.
It's 1) like, or 2) similar to Prog Rock music. There are a) lots, and b) many, lines of thought occurring at the same times. It gives me a "wow something REALLY cool is happening" feeling. But sometimes-actually many times- it's difficult (read:hard) to 1) read, and 2) understand. It's "as if" there is some sort-or, type- of overload.
It's kind of like why I like KISS so much. Yeah words, I get it. But they make no bones about what they are trying to say, and why they say it, and I love that.
;D
Just trying to say that it is OK to post like KISS instead of Dream Theater. :)
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You (fucking) a) kill me, and b) make me laugh. :) :) :)
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:lol
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Although Stadler's posts can be long, I usually think they're pretty clear and easy to follow - especially if they don't contain any analogies ;).
To the topic at hand - I'm sure there are exceptions, but the main reason I listen to the music that I listen to, is because I connect with it emotionally. It's why I listen to Dream Theater. I'm not a musician, I couldn't air drum accurately to a single DT song, and I don't understand a lot of music terminology, especially when it comes to guitar and various modes and things like that. For some reason, the music that I listen to just moves me. Sure, I'm impressed sometimes with the playing, but if that's all it was for me, I would just move on.
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Keep with the long posts Stadler. It's like foreplay. :eyebrows:
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I've never had a problem following Stadler's posts even when I'm higher than the ISS. But damn, TAC, that is a funny post. :lol
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I feel like I should've been reading TAC's post in 11/14 time.
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Just trying to say that it is OK to post like KISS instead of Dream Theater. :)
Where's the drawing of Hef with his book on writing succinctly when you need.
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I feel like I should've been reading TAC's post in 11/14 time.
TAC's post reads like it was composed as if he was doing a project for a music theory seminar
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WOW, more Vulfpeck fans here? :omg:
Lol I think Dart was just feeling the groove. No comment on Theo's hand maneuvers :lol It's interesting that from your comments you seem to get an air of pretension from these guys when their whole thing basically is that they run a pretty much totally low-budget, DIY operation.
Very much this, judging from their live show they definitely don't take themselves too seriously, they're just some guys fooling around and funking it up. (and doing an amazing job at it :angel:)
and I didn’t understand the ending. At first I thought I was overthinking this, but then I realized that’s exactly what the band wants us to do, and so I feel I have no choice but to give it a… 7.5
I like how it's going from being loud and "rebellious" against war to worrying about the consequences. With the singers voice becomes thinner and more emotional and the background music fading and all.
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WOW, more Vulfpeck fans here? :omg:
Lol I think Dart was just feeling the groove. No comment on Theo's hand maneuvers :lol It's interesting that from your comments you seem to get an air of pretension from these guys when their whole thing basically is that they run a pretty much totally low-budget, DIY operation.
Very much this, judging from their live show they definitely don't take themselves too seriously, they're just some guys fooling around and funking it up. (and doing an amazing job at it :angel:)
and I didn’t understand the ending. At first I thought I was overthinking this, but then I realized that’s exactly what the band wants us to do, and so I feel I have no choice but to give it a… 7.5
I like how it's going from being loud and "rebellious" against war to worrying about the consequences. With the singers voice becomes thinner and more emotional and the background music fading and all.
Did you see their performance at the Loudwire Awards (which, by the by, was literally the worst awards show I've ever seen in my life, and that includes middle school academic awards I've attended about 15 times between my kids and me.)
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I just watched their performance of Go To War for the awards, and well the mixing is... terrible, kind of ruining their performance. I usually love watching their live video's as they bring so much energy to the stage, but this doesn't do them justice.
As for the ending, I really prefer the album version.
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Question for Stadler regarding the Covers Round..
Does the band performing a cover have to be a band unfamiliar to you, or say, for example, Yngwie (assuming he's banned) covered a Van Halen song but you've never heard that, is that cool? Does that make sense?
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Question for Stadler.... is it officially a cover round? I mean, I'm good to go, I've got a couple beauties to chose from, but it is a fairly limiting theme. Takes options in my library from about 5000+, down to about 40
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Yeah, bro. Check the OP. It's a Covers Round.
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Seriously? I have no fucking idea of any suitable covers, and don't have time to dig through my library to find one. Plus I had the rest of the rounds already mapped out, now bands I could've sent earlier won't be sent at all.
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Alright taking a risk with this one.
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What if you're not familiar with the original song? Would it be points off for that or is that ok?
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Yeah, bro. Check the OP. It's a Covers Round.
Ok... I just hadn't gone back to the OP, figuring Stads would explicitly say so.
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What if you're not familiar with the original song? Would it be points off for that or is that ok?
Well, there's clearly confusion on our parts here Stads. Are you looking for A) a SONG that is unknown to you, or B) a band that is unknown to you, C) both, or D) doesn't matter
Example A) Dream Theater doing a cover of some song you don't know.
Example B) Some band doing a Dream Theater cover.
Example C) Some band you don't know doing some song you don't know.
Example D) Dream Theater doing Stargazer.
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Yeah, bro. Check the OP. It's a Covers Round.
Ok... I just hadn't gone back to the OP, figuring Stads would explicitly say so.
Stadler and explicitly?
:neverusethis:
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:lol
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Yeah, bro. Check the OP. It's a Covers Round.
Ok... I just hadn't gone back to the OP, figuring Stads would explicitly say so.
Stadler and explicitly?
:neverusethis:
I didn't say "concisely". :biggrin:
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Okay. I want this to be fun, not a chore. So you get to vote: "Yay" means you'll take a covers round, "Nay" means we go with an open round as before.
IF WE DO A COVERS ROUND, you're fine with a SONG I've heard before, but the performing band can't be banned. Meaning, Iron Maiden doing Montrose or Jethro Tull: BANNED. Your mom's metal band covering Iron Maiden: ALLOWED.
Not going to drag this out: voting ends at 5:00 pm eastern today.
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Yay.
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Yay!!
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Yay, because having the entire known collection of recorded music to pick from stresses me out :lol
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yay
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Yay, because having the entire known collection of recorded music to pick from stresses me out :lol
:lol
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Nay... I've got a great cover in my pocket, but A) I'm standing with my bro-chef, and B) looks like my vote doesn't matter anyway.
I might just send this (https://youtu.be/7z2zKitg-eY?t=40) out of protest. :lol
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Nay
*notes who voted 'yay' and is also playing in my roulette...*
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Nay... I've got a great cover in my pocket, but A) I'm standing with my bro-chef, and B) looks like my vote doesn't matter anyway.
I might just send this (https://youtu.be/7z2zKitg-eY?t=40) out of protest. :lol
Find a version of Vulfpeck doing that. :)
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Nay
*notes who voted 'yay' and is also playing in my roulette...*
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/bc6e5ce1b93e38001504e57df3f01f47/tenor.gif?itemid=6021378)
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‘Yay’, because frankly, I don’t mind either way. Your roulette, your rules. If you want a cover song, sure, I’ll send you one. I could probably get you somwthing better with a different theme, but I’ll find you something that works.
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Yay
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I count seven Yay's. The covers have it.
By the way, some interesting choices for the HoF round. Pretty impressed (and I'm looking forward to one song as much as any in the entire roulette, for various reasons; though that said, that person dodged a HUGE bullet without even realizing it).
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here's my cover submission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbgGIy3kKiM
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wait jk it's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTwxtYin1p0
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here's my cover submission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbgGIy3kKiM
I thought for sure it would be this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc)
nice one though.
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Hall of Fame was my least favorite round of all time. (OK this is my first roulette so that's not saying much).
Stadler - for the cover, if it's band you haven't heard covering a song you've never heard, does that work or do you want only songs that you'd definitely know?
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here's my cover submission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbgGIy3kKiM
I thought for sure it would be this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc)
nice one though.
:lol
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here's my cover submission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbgGIy3kKiM
I thought for sure it would be this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc)
nice one though.
:lol
That's the one I was originally going to post, but then thought it'd be a good time for a Winger-roll.
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Hall of Fame was my least favorite round of all time. (OK this is my first roulette so that's not saying much).
Stadler - for the cover, if it's band you haven't heard covering a song you've never heard, does that work or do you want only songs that you'd definitely know?
No, that's fine. Only rule is that the band playing can't be banned, and the song itself has to have been done by someone else first (and not be a song specifically written for that act by an outside writer).
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here's my cover submission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbgGIy3kKiM
I thought for sure it would be this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc)
nice one though.
:lol
That's the one I was originally going to post, but then thought it'd be a good time for a Winger-roll.
OH Yeah?
https://youtu.be/8ZrvM8aN04Q
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This is a cover done right. Seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc
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Steve and the Seagulls are awesome. They do a lot of Maiden. Thanks jerk. I might have used them. ;D
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This is a cover done right. Seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc
holy shit this is cool
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Steve and the Seagulls are awesome. They do a lot of Maiden. Thanks jerk. I might have used them. ;D
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/88/77/22/88772277e93533c03f413096aa78dd93--seinfeld-running.jpg)
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That joke is pretty ...um...dried up.
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That joke is pretty ...um...dried up.
I'm surprised you've even heard of it.
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I count seven Yay's. The covers have it.
By the way, some interesting choices for the HoF round. Pretty impressed (and I'm looking forward to one song as much as any in the entire roulette, for various reasons; though that said, that person dodged a HUGE bullet without even realizing it).
I'm looking forward to some interesting write-ups then!
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Stadler, would you consider letting us know at least what bands were sent for this round? I think a lot of them will be met with some shock that they weren't banned in the first place.
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Stadler, would you consider letting us know at least what bands were sent for this round? I think a lot of them will be met with some shock that they weren't banned in the first place.
Shit, you have no patience. They'll be revealed when he gives us the results!
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What if someone didn't send a band?
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What if someone didn't send a band?
Your mother covering Iron Maiden?
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Or this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTRV7vz06k) singing Aces High (seriously, check this out).
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I count seven Yay's. The covers have it.
By the way, some interesting choices for the HoF round. Pretty impressed (and I'm looking forward to one song as much as any in the entire roulette, for various reasons; though that said, that person dodged a HUGE bullet without even realizing it).
I'm looking forward to some interesting write-ups then!
They might be; after all that buildup, I've listened a couple times to each, and was MIGHTILY disappointed. Not in every case, but I was thinking "HoF round, all good bands, no Vulfpeck (just kidding, Antigoon), and two songs I've been meaning to listen to for YEARS, and this is going to be GREAT!" Not so much. I'm going to listen again so that I can be fair to the scoring, but... my dilemma here is that I've boxed myself into a corner; do I purely rate just the song and whether I like it? Or do I account for how indicative it is of the artist's work (as I know it)? Or degree of agreement on HoF worthiness? I'm leaning to the first one, but I'll give another listen before I decide. I was even thinking just ranking them one through 10, and giving the first song "10", the second "9", the third "8", but that's not really fair to spring that unannounced.
Here are the bands and songs, in no particular order (except one):
A Tribe Called Quest - "Dis Generation"
Jeff Buckley - "Grace" (and bullet dodged; I would have given "Hallelujah" a 1 on principle)
Linkin Park - "One More Light"
Judas Priest - "Cathedral Spires"
Soul Asylum - "Gullible's Travels"
Styx - "Red Storm"
Television - "venus"
The Cure - "10:15 Saturday Night"
Thin Lizzy - "Emerald"
Triumph - "Headed For Nowhere"
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I'm most interested in the writeups as to why we all thought our band submissions were HOF worthy. Here's mine:
Triumph.
The other Holy Triumvirate from Canada. In the 80s, they were as big as (if not bigger than) Rush. They were selling out arenas all over the place, and in '83 at the US Festival, they played AFTER Ozzy and Priest, only seceding the stage to The Scorps and Halen. Check out some of those clips - reportedly 250,000-ish in attendance on the "metal" day.
Imagine if Geddy had left Rush in 84/85 after 9 albums (that was effectively what happened - Emmett left in late '88). Would Rush have continued their meteoric rise in popularity if their last album had been Signals or Grace Under Pressure? When you think about this band, Emmett was a more prolific axeman than Alex, and a much more accessible and fluid vocalist; Gil Moore was a Grade A drummer (and took lead vox on MANY songs), but certainly not in Peart's league; and Mike Levine was as solid a bass player as Geddy. They certainly had more radio success than Rush did in the 80s. So yeah... they are the "other" holy trinity in Canadian rock music, but could've been 1a and 1b with Rush if they had stayed together.
So, with millions in sales, plenty of Top 40 radio hits in the US, and more than enough talent across vocals, instrumentation, and writing, they should be worthy of the HOF - they were inducted into the Canadian Music HOF 10 years ago!
So, lets leave you with one of my favorite all-time guitar riffs, Headed for Nowhere.
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You sent Triumph. I would've never guessed. :lol
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A wide range of bands/tracks.
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Chad I knew you were going with Triumph! I would have sent Time Goes By, Never Surrender or Play With The Fire.
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Thin Lizzy
At the forefront of Ireland's music scene, Thin Lizzy, became an international sensation. Through their classic years, Thin Lizzy combined two Irishmen, an American, and a Scott, to help create their unique brand of Rock. Bassist/vocalist Phil Lynott was a master storyteller.
The harmonic twin guitars would help influence heavy metal legends Iron Maiden. Their 1976 hit, The Boys Are Back In Town, is one of the most recognizable classic rock tracks. Their songs have been covered by such major bands as Bon Jovi and Metallica.
From 1976's Jailbreak
Emerald
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Were we supposed to send writeups with our submissions?
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Were we supposed to send writeups with our submissions?
Round 5: Song by the band you MOST think should be the very next inductee in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the reasonableness of your believe may - or may not - factor into the score!)
I took the bolded part to mean that. Apparently so did J Boy.
NO write up needed for you though. No one can compete with your IM Discog write-ups.
I'm going to listen again so that I can be fair to the scoring, but... my dilemma here is that I've boxed myself into a corner; do I purely rate just the song and whether I like it? Or do I account for how indicative it is of the artist's work (as I know it)? Or degree of agreement on HoF worthiness? I'm leaning to the first one, but I'll give another listen before I decide. I was even thinking just ranking them one through 10, and giving the first song "10", the second "9", the third "8", but that's not really fair to spring that unannounced.
Nah, don't rate 1-10. Just rate as typical. It's funny when you set a theme, and then have to live with it... Sometimes it sounds good on paper. Me, I'd rate the tracks and then maybe a Bonus Point for worthiness/reasonableness.
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Tim... are you a writer for Wikipedia? Your writeup is dryer than a popcorn-fart.
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My write up is lost in the ether, but as to whether or no the Cure belongs in the HOF shouldn't be a matter of debate. And they are far worthier than any other band on that list when it comes to impact to music and society, even if I don't particularly like them.
Triumph, Priest, Styx and Lizzy should be in as well. Linkin Park hasn't been around long enough (it has to be 25 years IIRC). As to the others, I'm not familiar with them enough to pass judgement.
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Tim... are you a writer for Wikipedia? Your writeup is dryer than a popcorn-fart.
Did you take an extra asshole pill today?
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Tim... are you a writer for Wikipedia? Your writeup is dryer than a popcorn-fart.
Did you take an extra asshole pill today?
Seriously, at that level of dickitry, he's in danger of getting his Canadian citizenship revoked.
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That's not very nice eh.
Eh.
Eh?
Eh :lol
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Tim... are you a writer for Wikipedia? Your writeup is dryer than a popcorn-fart.
Did you take an extra asshole pill today?
I'm surprised you know what Wikipedia is. I had to throw in that 2nd line just so I'd be sure you realized it was an insult. :biggrin:
And no, just the opposite... I'm in an absolutely fantastic mood today.
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Here's a ton of goodness all in one place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8-WHslFhbU I'm surprised this hasn't reared it's ugly head yet.
I personally love the man-made echo effects in the first song.
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Chad posted it. You old....... Wait a second. My score is in your hands!
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Here's a ton of goodness all in one place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8-WHslFhbU I'm surprised this hasn't reared it's ugly head yet.
I personally love the man-made echo effects in the first song.
My ears... the goggle do nothing!
LOL at the dude that lost his bass at 4:20.
King... pay attention - it was a compilation of multiple clips.
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I stopped 5 Seconds in! You cant blame me. :lol
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Here this cover should save things...
(wait for the little girl's scream...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4aGXTHo7w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4aGXTHo7w)
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Here this cover should save things...
(wait for the little girl's scream...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4aGXTHo7w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4aGXTHo7w)
Yeah, seen that before. Thanks for the re-post. It’s 10 lbs of awesome in a 5-lb bag.
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Is anyone else really sick of hearing about sons of apollo
If the band members were nonames who put out the exact same album there probably would be 2 or 3 people on the entire site who heard it ever ::)
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Wrong thread?
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Oh, I sent Jeff Buckley:
I had a really hard time trying to figure out what to send, until I just figured I'd check the RnR HOF Website for their database and search for some artists I thought would be in there. This guy is not, and while I get that he's not exactly 'rock 'n roll', there's no denying his influence and his legacy. Having reached an almost legendary status by releasing just one album before his sad passing, I figured this would be a great addition, even though by now (more than 20 years after his death) it would be a little too late. You might have heard of this guy before, he's well known for his cover of Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah'. I personally believe that's one of the weaker songs on the record; it's his own songs he really shines on. Here's the title-track, 'Grace'
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nah absolutely the right thread
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I sent A Tribe Called Quest 'cause a. they're dope; b. I don't really listen to much r&r hall of fame-type bands and I needed a different angle; c. they are iconic and highly influential and deserve it (in my opinion) based on the other rap groups that have made it in.
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OK some quick insight into why I chose Television:
With the Rock Hall moving deeper into the 90's, I think it's time to look back at some of the influential punk, post punk, and new wave music that influenced many of the 90s heavy hitters. Seeing Radiohead on the nominees list reminded me of my reaction to seeing Metallica on the nominees list: no question they deserve to be in, but what about the bands that created Metallica? Same goes for Radiohead. Television was not active very long, but their album Marquee Moon is a classic that has greatly influenced the likes of Radiohead and many of the other alternative rock bands of the 90s. They are one of those bands that never got a lot of public attention, but they should be inducted as architects of a genre that came after their time (same goes with a lot of 70s/80s Metal bands, but I'm assuming Stadler is familiar with most of those).
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I'm with you on all of that. Red Hot Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam are in, but Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden are not? Mofo, please.
According to many, the primary factor for the Hall is "influence" and yet, there is example after example of artists that have influence legions of musicians and are either out or are straggling in, and yet a band like Blondie is in? Again, mofo, please.
Robert Fripp is probably the most egregious example here. He basically started an entire genre, and conducted the master class and tended the crucible for bands as varied as ELP, Yes, Genesis, Asia, Hall And Oates, Peter Gabriel. He started an entire genre for god's sake, and has advanced the instrument himself with his League of Crafty Guitarists, even inventing his own tuning!
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Kingshmegland: Styx – “Red Storm”: I liked this. At first I wasn’t too impressed; I didn’t care for the ready nature of Tommy’s vocals, but then I realized that it was part of the song, and a sort of calm before the (red) storm. As I said before, always tough to drop into the middle of a concept album and settle in, and it took a while, but this was good. I was never a huge Styx fan – didn’t get far into any of the “American” prog, to be honest – but I have the greatest hits, and this was a nice reminder that they are a great band, they are, likely, HoF material, and they are still making relevant music. 7.5
Antigoon: A Tribe Called Quest – “Dis Generation”: This is a song that rewards repeated listening. I hated it the first time out, but it has revealed new things each time I’ve listened, and while it’s not really my thing, I get the artistry here, and am very impressed by the way the song has been crafted. It seems to be written by about 62 people (actually, 16), and sung by about 48 (credits say 4, I count about 6), but it’s cohesive, and it works. I LOVED the background track, both the calm matter-of-factness of the guitar lines and the etherealness of the keyboard washes, which contrasted nicely with the timeliness and timelessness of what I perceived the message to be. And that message; yeah, there’s the obligatory “n****” with an “a”, but there’s real meat to these words and there’s a real artistry to the way the cosmic point is made with mundane, daily references. Isn’t that what a “generation” is? Plus, how can you not love a song that name drops David Blaine, Richard Todd, and Doug Henning??? 8
Jingle.boy: Triumph – “Headed For Nowhere”: This was an interesting song; I was really excited to hear this, and while I can’t admit to thinking of “Triumph” when I think of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it’s not an outrageous suggestion. I expected more though; I’m assuming this is Gil Moore singing, and I’m always a fan of mixing it up, but his voice sounds kind of generic compared to Rik Emmett’s. Didn’t he sing for Poison or Winger or someone like that? (I’m kidding). This was solid hard rock – loved the solo – but this isn’t going to get me to take up the cause of getting them inducted. 7.5
TAC: Thin Lizzy – “Emerald”: Another band I SHOULD love, but just don’t. This is saved by Brian Robertson (who I love; check out his Motorhead album – Another Perfect Day – or the two Wild Horses albums he did with Jimmy Bain). I really can’t get past Phil’s voice, in fact, I hate his voice, but I know the song is a good one, because I’ve heard Ace Frehley cover it on his recent covers album. No points taken or given, but this is also a good discussion point: does Thin Lizzy get in? HIGHLY influential, and a breeding ground for great guitar players (Moore; Robertson; Snowy White; John Sykes; hell, Midge Ure!) but other than two songs, hardly cracked the U.S. market. I may be biased – they influenced Maiden, and that can’t be a bad thing - but I say YES given some of the other acts that are in. 7.5
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Mosh: Television – “Venus”: This is a ballsy pick in general (given what I said about Vulpeck) but even more so in the context of this round’s theme. I have a general theory that bands are as popular as they deserve; I do not (generally) agree with the notion that “if only people heard [X], they’d be as popular as U2!”. And couple that with the general theory that I have that the RnRHoF is an “In Crowd” (to its detriment), and I’m prone to hate this. Robert Christgau gave this an A+, and favorably compared the guitar playing to Eric Clapton and Jerry Garcia, which doesn’t help. I thought the song was okay. Its not lost on me that the whole NY scene is hopelessly intertwined. Fred Smith was in television, married to Patty Smith (literally the most overrated figure in music, in my opinion), and they toured with Blondie, were produced by Eno… you get the idea. It’s almost like the music is secondary. Like 90% of the songs in this roulette, I thought the song was good, I though the playing was good (actually, very good at times), and I thought the vocals were the albatross. For reasons above, I’m not sure I agree on “RnRHoF”, but… 7
Lonestar: The Cure – “10:15 Saturday Night”: I like, not love, The Cure, despite having seen them live and having been blown away by them. Three hours, well-played, and Robert Smith wore a Whalers shirt most of the show. I have a singles compilation and Disintegration, and I LOVE Disintegration (Porl Thompson was the second guitar player on the Page and Plant tour I saw, and the band did “Lullaby”). This isn’t the part of The Cure I like best, though. Creative - I love how the cymbals mark out the ticking of the clock - but it’s just a shade too reliant on Smith’s vocals, and as such, a shade too sparse for me. 7
Elite: Jeff Buckley – “Grace”: One of the two songs I was REALLY looking forward to. I know this would make me a (bigger) dick, but if you sent Hallelujah, I would have given a 2 on principle; can’t think of a more overplayed, overwrought, overrated piece of pretentiousness. It’s easy for me to not like this, because it is so highly regarded by the pop music cognoscente and anything Rolling Stone raves about is immediately suspect to me. But I've heard SO much about Buckley that I feel I have to at least be aware of it. So I listened to Grace (and Last Goodbye) and I was suitably impressed. I knew about his death, but I knew very little about his life, and digging in – his session work, his love of Zeppelin, Kiss, and Genesis – it fleshed things out in a way that really impressed. No, I’m not rating this highly just because Jimmy Page likes it, but I am rating it this highly because it’s rare when an artist can touch so many people, and even if a couple of hipsters get caught in there, it doesn’t make them wrong. This was enlightening, almost on a level of the DTP song. 9
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v_clortho: Soul Asylum – “Gullible’s Travels”: Never been hugely into the Minnesota scene. I was amused by the Replacements’ cover of Black Diamond by Kiss, I have moderately liked the music I have heard from bands like Husker Du, and Paul Westerberg has impressed mostly because of his writing (check out the Glen Campbell record “Ghost on the Canvas”). I’m familiar with Grave Dancer’s Union (well, the three singles from it), and thought it was very good, not great. This is certainly in keeping with that. Having said that, this song was written by the guitar player, and is, as I understand it, one of the few. Dave Pirner’s voice is sort of undistinctive – kind of typical for that scene - but I dug some of the guitar playing in this; the solo was cool and I really like the breakdown part that started around 2:15. Nice texture to an otherwise unassuming but pleasant song. 7.5
Lethean: Judas Priest – “Cathedral Spires”: The other of the songs I was REALLY looking forward to. I love Priest, first concert ever, and have every non-Ripper album really liked this. I didn’t expect the band to just forget how to write without Rob, but what I had seen/heard was a little too cartoony for me (Jugulator?). But this seemed to have promise. I listened to it once and hated it, then listened again, and liked it a lot more, then listened to it again, and kept hearing parts that reminded me of other songs… I always knew he had the scream down pat, but I’m still surprised at how much his midrange sounds like Rob, even if it lacks sort of the pizzazz and vibe of Rob. Ironically, one of the things I didn’t like was how little the guitars sounded like the Priest I know and love (think of the intro to “Devil’s Child”). I’ll rate them, but of the bands I received, probably the one I agree with most in terms of the theme. 7.5
Home: Linkin Park – “One More Light”: Not really a Linkin Park fan, and I will confess to being stunned at the fact that their debut sold in excess of 10 million units. I get the emotion surrounding the whole Chris Cornell thing and Chester’s reaction to that (even if I don’t understand the reaction itself). I had not heard this before, but I have to say, forget about the theme for a second, this is a pretty heavy duty song, and almost everything I love about music generally. There’s no “genre” here, there’s no competition here, there no commerce here, just pure emotion, and pure connectivity. Now, I would be me if I didn’t qualify it, but while I get the limitations of the roulette (The Cars, Maiden, Jane’s Addiction, Soundgarden, all out because of the banned list) I have a hard time supporting this band in this category because of an incredibly impactful event in the band’s life. Not taking points away, though, so… 8.5
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Home 41.5
Lethean 40
jingle.boy 39.5
elite 39
King 38
TAC 38
lonestar 37.5
v_clortho 37.5
Mosh 37
antigoon 36
And for those that care, in my own personal order of who should be in:
Judas Priest
The Cure
Thin Lizzy (but all the guitar players have to go in ala The Dead keyboard players; none of this Sabbath/Kiss original member bullshit)
A Tribe Called Quest
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Styx (these guys are literally the dividing line on who I think should be in; this one could go either way)
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Triumph
Linkin Park
Soul Asylum
Television
Jeff Buckley (Not because he's not worthy, but dude, one album)
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That is a rough score.
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I'll take a 7.5. I had a bad feeling that I was going to get much lower than that. Soul Asylum was really the only Minneapolis scene band that I got into. Never really cared about the others. Love Soul Asylums early stuff and up through Grave Dancer's Union.
Going to be hard to make up points though when all the scores are within 2 points.
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The Canadian Exchange rate makes Triumph a 9. You already know their best songs, so I'll accept your 7.5.
Cover sent.
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That is a rough score.
A bit, isn't it. I still don't understand how anybody who is a huge Iron Maiden fan can't simply love Thin Lizzy...especially Emerald. IMO, even if you don't like the vocals that tune is easily a 8.5 - 9.
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it's lit!
instrumental time :coolio
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it's lit!
instrumental time :coolio
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Oh yeah... right... instrumental first. Ok, well, that's been sent too.
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That is a rough score.
A bit, isn't it. I still don't understand how anybody who is a huge Iron Maiden fan can't simply love Thin Lizzy...especially Emerald. IMO, even if you don't like the vocals that tune is easily a 8.5 - 9.
Yup. Stadler better not even try and write one of those fancy posts with lots of punctuation and parentheses to try and confuse me to even justify it.
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Emerald is a 10/10. Shocked at the reaction.
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Yeah, Emerald is brilliant.
Nice JP song too.
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Looking through the list I think I've only ever heard the song I sent. Is that bad?
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Yeah, Emerald is brilliant.
Nice JP song too.
It is, isn't it? I totally think Stadler should have thrown me an extra point just for how much Judas Priest should be in the hall. :P
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
I'm asking him on Facebook. I think he did.
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
Just talked to him. Yes, he sent them a few times.
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
Just talked to him. Yes, he sent them a few times.
I guarantee I'm the only one to have sent White Lion.
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My order of who should be in:
Thin Lizzy (yes over Priest)
Judas Priest
The Cure
Jeff Buckley
Styx
Television
A Tribe Called Quest
Triumph
Linkin Park
Soul Asylum
Edit: BTW this is a way better list than most legit Rock Hall ballots.
I have a general theory that bands are as popular as they deserve; I do not (generally) agree with the notion that “if only people heard [X], they’d be as popular as U2!”.
I get what you're saying, but we are now talking about a genre that thrives on being underground. I agree, a lot of those “if only people heard [X], they’d be as popular as U2!" statements are misguided, but I think the RnRHOF should be more than what's popular. Metal and Punk in particular have a lot of bands that weren't well known but they were so critical to the shaping of the genre that they should be allowed in on influence alone. The fact that musicians are allowed on to the voting committee after being inducted makes me think that the Hall is at least trying to give off the impression that influence matters (although they have failed miserably in that area).
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
i mean, two people sent them in the same round in my first roulette :lol
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44434.msg2010395#msg2010395
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I received The Cure from seneca in my second roulette.
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so yeah by several accounts lonestar is not the first to send the cure in a roulette
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I received The Cure from Ravenheart in my first roulette.
Glad you liked Jeff Buckley! He's certainly an interesting artist, once you start looking up his background and story. Such a tragedy that he had to pass away at such a young age. I wonder what he might have become if he hadn't died, but that said.. his death was also a catalyst for his fame and it added to the mystery surrounding him. He might not have become the well-known artist he is nowadays if that hadn't happened. Strange how things go sometimes.
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I'm glad you liked the song this much! I didn't expect you to like their nu-metalish sound too much but I hoped a strong emotive piece like One More Light would connect a little. I'll probably send some post-rock for the instrumental round as I'm generally not a big fan of flashy show-of instrumentals :P
I have a hard time supporting this band in this category because of an incredibly impactful event in the band’s life.
I mean they have also had a tremendous influence on rock music at the start of the 21st century...
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I found a great cover!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsXvsOd2SA
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
Just talked to him. Yes, he sent them a few times.
I guarantee I'm the only one to have sent White Lion.
Which is kind of like saying "I guarantee I'm the only one to wipe my boogers on the napkin dispenser at the Tastee-Freeze in Houston."
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That is a rough score.
A bit, isn't it. I still don't understand how anybody who is a huge Iron Maiden fan can't simply love Thin Lizzy...especially Emerald. IMO, even if you don't like the vocals that tune is easily a 8.5 - 9.
Yup. Stadler better not even try and write one of those fancy posts with lots of punctuation and parentheses to try and confuse me to even justify it.
No fancy posts... it could be just me, but I respect Lizzy the way I respect the Yardbirds and John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. Awesome as the fertile ground of some amazing players, but the music itself... I don't know. The song just didn't take me anywhere. "Massacre" - one of the four Lizzy songs I am familiar with - does nothing for me either. One of my least favorite Maiden b-sides covers. Honestly, and not trying to be a dick here, but I even wondered if 7.5 was high.
EDIT: It doesn't help that I can't STAND "The Boys Are Back In Town" on every level.
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So, am I the first person to ever send The Cure in a roulette or did Zander send it at some point?
Just talked to him. Yes, he sent them a few times.
I guarantee I'm the only one to have sent White Lion.
Which is kind of like saying "I guarantee I'm the only one to wipe my boogers on the napkin dispenser at the Tastee-Freeze in Houston."
By far one of your best metaphors.
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I have a general theory that bands are as popular as they deserve; I do not (generally) agree with the notion that “if only people heard [X], they’d be as popular as U2!”.
I get what you're saying, but we are now talking about a genre that thrives on being underground. I agree, a lot of those “if only people heard [X], they’d be as popular as U2!" statements are misguided, but I think the RnRHOF should be more than what's popular. Metal and Punk in particular have a lot of bands that weren't well known but they were so critical to the shaping of the genre that they should be allowed in on influence alone. The fact that musicians are allowed on to the voting committee after being inducted makes me think that the Hall is at least trying to give off the impression that influence matters (although they have failed miserably in that area).
Look, don't get me started on the Rock and Roll Hall. It's a clique and a fan club run by a guy with too much money and an ego to boot. When the Pretenders and Laura Nyro are in and Rush, Maiden, and Kiss wait by on the outside... how many guitar players have "Laura Nyro" tattooed on their calf (ala Dime Bag and his Ace tat)? Not a surprise that the plethora of NY bands (Blondie, the Velvet Underground, Talking Heads, Laura Nyro etc.) and SoCal southern rock bands (CSN, Eagles, Jackson Browne, etc.) - who not coincidentially espouse leftist politics a la Mr. Wenner - are all in almost as soon as they can reasonably be admitted, but the bands that have waited the longest - Ted Nugent, Rush, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Maiden - are the more obvious conservative/libertarian representatives in Rock.
Pearl Jam - Lefty social activists, IN
Soundgarden - Musical forefathers and influence, but not as overtly political, NOT
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Lefty social activists, IN
Jane's Addiction - Musical forefathers and influence, but not as overtly political, NOT
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I've never even heard of Laura Nyro.
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She is, however, in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and not coincidentally, dated Jackson Browne, dedicated a 1989 tour to the animal rights movement, wrote a protest song for an Academy Award winning documentary about the displaced Navajo Indians, declared her work the work of someone who believes in the peace movement and the woman's movement, and lived the last third of her life as a lesbian.
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Stadler your inbox is full!
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Fixed!!!!
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She is, however, in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and not coincidentally, dated Jackson Browne, dedicated a 1989 tour to the animal rights movement, wrote a protest song for an Academy Award winning documentary about the displaced Navajo Indians, declared her work the work of someone who believes in the peace movement and the woman's movement, and lived the last third of her life as a lesbian.
So you're saying that if I were to go and date Jackson Browne, I'd have as much of a chance of getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Ted Nugent?
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She is, however, in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and not coincidentally, dated Jackson Browne, dedicated a 1989 tour to the animal rights movement, wrote a protest song for an Academy Award winning documentary about the displaced Navajo Indians, declared her work the work of someone who believes in the peace movement and the woman's movement, and lived the last third of her life as a lesbian.
So you're saying that if I were to go and date Jackson Browne, I'd have as much of a chance of getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Ted Nugent?
MORE of a chance. Steel Panther has a better chance of getting into the RnRHoF than Ted Nugent. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
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The evolution of Spanky over the course of this round.
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Patience; I'm just trying to decide whether to give TAC a 2 or a 3.
(No, seriously; I'll have results soon. Been getting a lot of errors on YouTube which is slowing down the listening a LOT.)
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Patience; I'm just trying to decide whether to give TAC a 2 or a 3.
:tup
That'd be 2 or 3 points higher than I got in Lonestar's last round.
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Patience; I'm just trying to decide whether to give TAC a 2 or a 3.
:tup
That'd be 2 or 3 points higher than I got in Lonestar's last round.
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Lol
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You still alive bro? :lol
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The Earth ain't turning any slower. Vite, vite!! Allons-y
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Yeah, sorry; real life intervened. I'll be posting something today or early tomorrow. Good round, though. Probably the best so far, though some of you might not like the scoring.
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Yeah, sorry; real life intervened. I'll be posting something today or early tomorrow. Good round, though. Probably the best so far, though some of you might not like the scoring.
So a bunch of 7.5s and a couple 8s? ;D
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^ Who invited this guy??? Haha.
Scoring has not been the easiest thing for me. I'm not used to just saying "I friggin' like that!", plus I know some of you put time in to selecting the pieces that you're passionate about and it's not easy for me to just "Yeah, great, 5."
This round has been the hardest yet. I well and truly loved every song. Every. Song. Not equally, there was one that just took my breathe away, almost to the level of Devin Townsend, but I honestly can't name a worst from the group. So what I did is give the first a 9.5, the second two a 9, to distinguish them, then I gave the next two 8.5, and the remaining five 8. I worried that I would have a 10 way tie for the lead, but it seems like there is a little separation, but no one is truly out of it. I'll be posting results shortly.
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Kingshmegland: Nova Collective – “Air”: I liked this, and found it intoxicating and evocative. The whole song had a vibe to it that was just so… it reminded me of the best of King Crimson; one thing about Crimson is that the songs were almost always given a chance to breathe, and that’s how I felt about this. Odd thing about me; I take song titles seriously, especially for instrumentals. I like when the title creates an atmosphere and the music delivers on that, like it does here. Strong piece, and I’d like to hear more from this band. 8.5
Antigoon: Snarky Puppy – “What’s About Me?”: This is a song that rewards repeated listening. I was predisposed to dislike it, because of the band name (yes, I wrote that; they just always struck me as a shade too hipster), and at first I was like, “okay, horns”. I’m touchy on horns. I either LOVE them, (“Paperlate”, “No Reply At All”) or I hate them. There isn’t a lot of in between. But as I kept listening to this, it just kept coming clear that this is a beast of a track, and every part is both necessary and relevant. That part at about 5:00 minutes in, where there isn’t really any soloing, but the band is grooving and almost… floating, really sealed the deal for me. I really liked this. 9
Jingle.boy: Dimension Act – “Drawing the Lines of Mortal Existence I”: Very Dream Theater-esque, but thankfully the Dream Theater I like best. Very melodic and driving, I liked the epic-ness of both the title and the music. I don’t really know what it means to “draw the lines of mortal existence” (does that involve Margot Robbie, by chance?) but I suspect this might be the music playing while I’m doing it. It would have scored higher, but it seemed to drag on a little and morph from really evocative music to a bit of wankery. Nice track, though. 8
Mosh: Camel – “Six ate”: Give a dollar if you can guess the time signature. Not very familiar with Camel, even with all the various interactions with one of my favorite bands of all time, Marillion (Andy Ward played in Marillion for a brief time; shorter than it took to do this writeup, and Fish has worked with Mickey Simmonds, Dave Stewart, and Foss Patterson). I liked this a lot; very different than most of the other submissions, but it had a distinct ‘70’s vibe and I liked it a lot. Built nicely, and kept my interest, which is no small feat for most instrumentals. 8
Lethean: Kiko Loureiro – “El Guajiro”: You benefitted from the delay. I didn’t like this at first; I thought it was boring shred guitar and having come off an Yngwie binge, I was kind of burnt on it. But I kept listening to my playlist, on shuffle and it kept catching my ear. I loved how the guitar emulated what would typically be a keyboard part (the ascending/descending run) and the drums brought a nice color with the percussive additions. It reminded me on occasion of Dream Theater – not a bad thing, and not as much as some of the other songs here - but generally this is a well-written as well as well-played instrumental. 8
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TAC: Marco Sfogli – “Still Hurts”: Could be the same writeup as Kiko Loureiro; I feared a shred fest from the guy that played on James LaBrie’s solo albums. But while it doesn’t have the interesting instrumentation that Loureiro has, it does have that melodic angle to it, and it’s clear that also like Loureiro, the technique serves the song, and the song isn’t just an excuse to impress with chops. Really good stuff. 8
Lonestar: Martin Orford – “Power and Speed”: Extra point for anyone that can tell me what the melody is at about a minute in (it repeats three times over the next 45 seconds or so). It reminds me of something – in a good way – and has been eating at me ever since. This is the second best song in the round and also one I will be coming back to more and more. As noted before, not that familiar with IQ, but this guy has cred, having played with a number of the heavy weights in a genre I listen to a lot. Really good track and one that has stuck with me. 9
Elite: Riverside – “Reality Dream III”: Very good tune. I liked it. Also Dream Theater-esque, and also the Dream Theater I like, so it was a tune I enjoyed. There was one moment I was waiting for James to come in “Just let me catch my breath… I’ve heard the promises…”. This one didn’t get a higher score because unfortunately they also copped Jordan’s knack for the “quirky keyboard part” and John’s heavy, compressed tone (as opposed to the beautiful sound he had on I&W), but the song is a strong one, nonetheless. 8
v_clortho: Marty Friedman – “Valley of Eternity”: Best song of the round. Martin Orford is close, but not really close enough. This is the song that hit me on first listen, and never let go. My familiarity with Friedman is limited to Megadeth “Cryptic Writings”, some columns in a guitar magazine and some snippets of his work with Cacophony. I loved a couple things about this: the varied tones and sounds he gets. The acoustic guitar in the beginning, trading with the keyboard, the harmonized guitars in the next section (when the drums come in) that are more traditional rock guitar, but still not shred, and then the coup de grace, the overdriven guitar with which he presents the main melodic hook (that I’ve been singing ever since) and the solo, which sounds both appropriate and necessary. This was a revelation, and really threw me. Thank you for this submission. 9.5
Home: God Is An Astronaut – “All Is Violent, All is Bright”: Couple things: Not really sure what the title “Post Rock” is supposed to mean, but I think this is it. As I said, I like evocative titles, and this is one of them. I loved how the title sort of had a “light and dark” thing (or I guess “dark and light”) and I really liked how the music built into that imagery and really created an atmosphere. Second or third favorite of the round, and glad I got to hear this. 8.5
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Home: 50
Lethean: 48
Jingle: 47.5
Elite: 47
v_Clortho: 47
King: 46.5
Lonestar: 46.5
TAC: 46
Mosh: 45
Antigoon: 45
Covers next! I think I have two already.
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Movin' on up
Glad you like the Marty Friedman song. That whole album (Scenes) is really good. If you like that song, there is a good chance you'd like the rest of it.
I think the melody you are looking for on the Martin Orford song is from a song called "Power and Speed" by Martin Orford. (Do I get the extra point?) :lol
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Movin' on up
Glad you like the Marty Friedman song. That whole album (Scenes) is really good. If you like that song, there is a good chance you'd like the rest of it.
I think the melody you are looking for on the Martin Orford song is from a song called "Power and Speed" by Martin Orford. (Do I get the extra point?) :lol
Haha, no. But it was a serious question, and a serious offer. There is a passage - again, it starts about 1:00 in - that gets repeated about three times. The first half of it is a series of notes but the second is a distinct melodic motif, and but for the last note (literally) it reminds me of something. Genesis perhaps? It's driving me crazy.
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That whole God Is An Astronaut album is one of my all-time favorites, Stadler. Every track is brilliant, but 'When Everything Dies' is the champion to my ears and hopefully you hear it someday.
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With 2 rounds to go, and a 2 point lead, this is Home's to lose.
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With 2 rounds to go, and a 2 point lead, this is Home's to lose.
Yep. I keep hoping to close the gap but it doesn't happen.
Elite, I almost sent one of the Reality Dream songs. I probably would have gone with I or II, not because I like them better (I like all 3) though. I was also really tempted to send Night Session Part Two but thought it was probably too long and not "happening" enough. I love it though.
Stadler, Kiko (not Kiki) is great and I definitely recommend his solo albums.
I think it's interesting that you think so many of these submissions sound like Dream Theater. I was wondering if that would happen since you said you didn't listen to a lot of prog metal. Quite a few other people I've known or conversed with online had a similar experience, and then as they listened to the bands more, they didn't think they sounded so much like DT.
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Glad you liked Snarky Puppy. I would strongly recommend checking out the rest of that album (it's called 'We Like It Here' and there are videos for every song on YT), especially the songs 'Shofukan', 'Lingus', and 'Sleeper'.
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I think it's interesting that you think so many of these submissions sound like Dream Theater. I was wondering if that would happen since you said you didn't listen to a lot of prog metal. Quite a few other people I've known or conversed with online had a similar experience, and then as they listened to the bands more, they didn't think they sounded so much like DT.
It's all little bits and pieces; I totally understand what you mean. I don't think Marillion and Genesis sound anything alike, but you can pick little things out (the intro to "He Knows You Know") and say "oh that's...". With the songs I heard - and there were three or four songs where there was that "moment" - I didn't know them or their catalogue very well, so it was the thing that I latched on to. I have no doubt that many of those bands have more to them than what I heard. That they were instrumental also factors in; the vocals would probably distinguish greatly, but I don't have that (and I purposefully didn't listen to anything else, because I didn't want to be swayed by vocals that weren't a part of this.)
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That whole God Is An Astronaut album is one of my all-time favorites, Stadler. Every track is brilliant, but 'When Everything Dies' is the champion to my ears and hopefully you hear it someday.
When Everything Dies is a pretty perfect ending to a pretty perfect post rocl album :angel: I would definitely recommend checking out the album Stadler, I'm pretty confident you'll like it given that you liked the track I sent.
With 2 rounds to go, and a 2 point lead, this is Home's to lose.
Yep. I keep hoping to close the gap but it doesn't happen.
Well I'm not too certain about this round, and I have screwed up near the end of roulettes before, so who knows, 2 points is not that big a difference...
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Stadler, would love to see what was sent by everyone for this round. Can you post when everyone is in?
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Yeah, this 2 weeks between rounds is a bit much. Participants shouldn't take a week to submit. Let's whichever two of you aren't being prompt.
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i capped submission wait at 72 hours and everyone else who didn't send by that time would get less listens
i only had to apply the rule once because all my participants were good little boys who sent their songs on time and the one person who sent late got theirs in only a few hours after :corn
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I don’t know; I sent already :corn
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:corn
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Maybe peiple haven’t sent yet, because the title still says ‘Round 5’, while we are at round 7 already? :justjen
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Eliott Smith - "Because"
Dreamscape - "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes"
Lords of Black - "Innuendo"
Audioslave - "Billy Jean"
Redemption - "Love To Love"
Silversun - "Xanadu"
SHEL - "Battle of Evermore"
Meliah Rage - "Halo of Flies"
Dirty Loops - "Circus"
Cory Henry - "Crazy"
I got the last one in yesterday. I'll do my best to turn it around by tomorrow. If not Tuesday; I'm traveling for work so I'll have time.
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Well alright.
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The Billie Jean cover is not by Audioslave, but Chris Cornell doing it solo.
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Dirty Loops?? What kind of a name is Dirty Loops? :lol
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That might be a different link and not part of the roulette. Sorry.
(:) I'm kidding; it's what I was given)
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Maybe peiple haven’t sent yet, because the title still says ‘Round 5’, while we are at round 7 already? :justjen
you probably should still update the thread title though stads :lol
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Just checked the Dirty Loops. Oh my.
Watch it win... :P
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Dirty Loops is the group that does really out there reharmonizations of pop songs, right?
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Seems that way, not too shabby either, love that funk sound personally. Reminds me, why didn't I even think of going with Post Modern Jukebox, those singers alone should win any roulette round.
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I was really close to sending Post Modern Jukebox, but there was so much to choose from.
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Oh boy. I'm in the wrong roulette.
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I was really close to sending Post Modern Jukebox, but there was so much to choose from.
I probably would've gone with Dream On...Morgan James is a god tier vocalists, and in that song she pretty much blows away anything that anybody ever sang. Ever.
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Oh wait, is the Dream On cover that I've been hearing. Holy shit, does that suck!
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Well, let me say, two solid rounds of music in a row, now, and I have to sincerely thank you guys for putting in the time and sending some quality stuff. Just so you know, and so I don’t repeat it ten times, my idea of a good cover is one that catches the essence of the original. It need not be note-perfect recreation, and it need not be a radical reinvention, but it has to capture a thread from the original. Most of these got that; what amazes me about that is that I’ve heard EVERY song before (meaning the originals) and some of you hit some of my favorite songs of all time. I think four or five of them are in my top five of that band’s original work. And so to hear other bands seem to so consistently capture the good part of songs I already thought were good made for some really interesting listening.
Kingshmegland: Silversun – “Xanadu”: One of my favorite Rush tunes of all time, and one of my favorite songs in this round. I love “Black Diamond”, Kiss as covered by the Replacements, and this song really reminded me of that in a good way. Gritty, grungy, dirty, in all the ways that Rush decidedly isn’t, so the band brought something new and relevant to the table, and yet they captured that essence of the original, which to me is that idea of lush, decadent, almost pagan excess. You really nailed this song in your description: epic Rush distilled down to four minutes of fun and energy. 9
Antigoon: Cory Henry – “Crazy”: So let me say two things: one, I have to admire your guts (I was going to say “balls” but as I’ve never seen them and hopefully never do, it would be a lie to say I admire them) with your song choices. If I had to give an initial impression based on perception alone, you wouldn’t have scored over a four, but you’re nailing it (for the most part) and you seem to have found my guilty pleasure, very well-played extremely melodic pop. Two, while it’s not my genre, really, I love the original. Melody for days and just a perfect vocal. This song kind of hits the sweet spot of all that I’ve experienced in your submissions before. I think this is the fun part of “much of guys in a room”, without the annoying pretension. That woman just stands there and sings, and it’s glorious. Not perfect – it wasn’t clear to me if the song was selected as a goof or not (which I don’t dig at all) – but they seemed to be in tune with it and got to the heart of it anyway. 8
Jingle.boy: Lords of Black – “Innuendo”: One of my favorite songs by Queen, off my second or third favorite Queen album. Now, you started with two strikes against you – I can count on one penis how many singers can do Freddie justice with a song like this, and Robert Plant already nailed an amazing cover of this song and captured the Kashmir-like soul of it perfectly even if his vocals weren’t perfect. You had something going for you, though I didn’t realize it at the time (Ronnie Romero). This was really good. Romero doesn’t sound anything like Mercury except that, well, he does in his power and range. He also brings that vibe to it, of a caravan in the desert, motion, traveling, searching… Dio brought the same thing to Stargazer (which Romero also famously covered). 8.5
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TAC: Meliah Rage – “Halo of Flies”: The only song of the round that I hadn’t heard before, and one of two songs (Circus is the other) that I went back and listened to the original as well as the cover. Well, I have good news and bad news. The good? I fell in love with the original and will be ordering the album once I get home from my trip. I want to hear the rest right now! The bad? While the band got the essence – the swirl and buzz of the original, figuratively and literally the “halo of flies” – it’s a bit too… metallic in the sense that the Alice version is dirty and oily and almost uncomfortable. I almost didn’t even get the “Sound of Music” quote when I heard the cover, and yet in the Alice version that verse stuck out (in a good way) like a sore thumb, and kind of slammed home that distinctly Alice way of tweaking and honoring at the same time, almost making the entire song. This was the hardest song to score, BY FAR, because I wanted to reward you for enlightening me – which was your stated goal - but also reflect that the cover itself slightly missed the mark. 8
Mosh: Dirty Loops – “Circus”: Second most eclectic mix of songs in the roulette, and I thank you for that. In some cases that has worked for you, but here, unfortunately, it didn’t. I couldn’t figure out if the cover was snarky and ironic or not, and it kind of ruined the vibe for me. I’m one of those that doesn’t think Britney is a joke, and I think – while our Mancunian friend Dave takes it a little further than I do – that she’s a lot smarter and self-aware than her tabloid drama let on. When she sings about the “Circus”, she’s not kidding and I think the original of this is a lot deeper than the genre implies. I don’t think the cover here recognized that, and as such I think it missed the mark. Yeah, it was well-played, but the vocal seemed to me to miss the point entirely. 7
Lonestar: SHEL – “Battle of Evermore”: Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands, and this is one of my favorite Zeppelin songs. Zep is often dismissed as plodding metal monsters, but that, I think, is wrong. They were troubadours in the best and truest sense of the word. When Plant says “Nah, nah, leave it in” on Physical Graffiti (in reference to the airplane overhead) you got the vibe that it was four guys in an English garden playing whatever felt right. The Battle of Evermore is that vibe as well, and this version captures that perfectly. I love the vocal arrangements; not that far from the original, but maintaining that choir-like separation of voices (in my opinion the reason they brought Sandy Denny in to sing on it in the first place). Faithful to the original and the Wilson sisters famous cover, but having an earthiness that can’t be faked, and the elasticity of performance that so few Zeppelin covers capture (and why most Zeppelin covers blow badly, in my opinion.) 8.5
Elite: Chris Cornell – “Billie Jean”: Wow. I feel bad for you and (from Ariich’s roulette) I know how you feel. This should have been a slam dunk. I love Cornell. Soundgarden, Temple…, solo. I just saw him with TotD, and he SLAYED a set that was half covers (for him), including a killer “Achilles Last Stand” and Nilsson’s “Jump Into The Fire”. I also like Michael Jackson, and although I like “Off The Wall” better, I grew up with Thriller, and Billie Jean – with it’s very adult, almost subversive message – was a favorite. But I don’t like how Cornell treats this. It starts well, with the somber vocal and sparse guitar, but when he goes to the upper register, and uses that sort of out of rhythm “strum”, it loses the essence for me, which is a somber reflection of being a father and all that that means, good and bad. Compare and contrast this with his take (from Songbook) of one of the most beautiful love songs ever, “Thank You” from Zeppelin. (No points off, but also a big thumbs down to the hipster crowd clapping and “Woo-ing!” at inopportune moments to show how cool they are.) 7.5
v_clortho: Redemption – “Love To Love”: I love U.F.O. and I love to love “Love to Love”, one of my top five favorite U.F.O. songs. When Phil Mogg sings “Misty green and blue…” it’s achingly beautiful. I don’t think it is, but if “Strangers…” is the best live rock album ever, it’s in large part due to Side Two – “Mother Mary”, “This Kid’s”, and “Love To Love”. This cover nails it. The vocal, while not sounding like Phil, nails that ache, that yearning, but the music has a current fresh take to it, combining the important guitar with beautifully evocative keyboards. 9
Lethean: Dreamscape – “Dancing With Tears In My Eyes”: Nice call! My second favorite Ultravox song (behind the obvious “Vienna”) and one of the songs they played at Live Aid. Big fan of Midge Ure, even if I don’t love everything about Ultravox (the sterility, the coldness of everything but Ure’s voice, though that may have been the point). This is a great example of capturing the essence; it’s a little fuller than the Ultravox version, and there are any number of instrumental flourishes – not all of them good – but they do get the apocalyptic bleakness of the original (I understand the original to be a man contemplating nuclear annihilation). Plus, they’re working with a melody that really sticks with you. 9
Home: Elliot Smith – “Because”: Always dangerous ground covering the Beatles (my favorite band, by the way). There are a few exceptions, but while there are a number of great Beatles covers, they rarely surpass the masters. This isn’t one of them, but it comes close. Smith does a nice job with this, layering his vocals similarly to the Beatles (Paul, John and George each recorded three tracks, making nine total). It’s not a note for note version though; some of the harmony vocals opt for a minor note and it gives the piece a melancholy that is in the Beatles version, but is far more pronounced here. John always claimed the words spoke for themselves and there was no hidden meaning or subtlety, but I don’t buy that. On its original place on Abbey Road, the lushness of the vocals and very pure sentiment, in a time when the Beatles were feeling anything but love, and the rest of the characters on the album were, shall we say, troubled, lent a whiff of sadness that I think Smith captures nicely here. A sadness that, depending on your take on events, Smith shared. 8
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Home 58
Lethean 57
jingle.boy 56
v_clortho 56
Kingshmegland 55.5
lonestar 55
elite 54.5
TAC 54
antigoon 53
Mosh 52
I'm kind of regretting it, because the themes seemed to give more interesting songs, but last round: 8:00 plus. Bring it!
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Knew I shoulda sent the Babymetal cover....
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I was wavering between the Redemption song and Motley Crue's version of "Helter Skelter" or Trans Siberian Orchestra's cover of Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24)"
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Mosh: Dirty Loops – “Circus”: Second most eclectic mix of songs in the roulette, and I thank you for that. In some cases that has worked for you, but here, unfortunately, it didn’t. I couldn’t figure out if the cover was snarky and ironic or not, and it kind of ruined the vibe for me. I’m one of those that doesn’t think Britney is a joke, and I think – while our Mancunian friend Dave takes it a little further than I do – that she’s a lot smarter and self-aware than her tabloid drama let on. When she sings about the “Circus”, she’s not kidding and I think the original of this is a lot deeper than the genre implies. I don’t think the cover here recognized that, and as such I think it missed the mark. Yeah, it was well-played, but the vocal seemed to me to miss the point entirely. 7
I like Britney and the song fits her style very well. I thought the cover was done with reverence although you're right that the vocals lack the confidence and bravado that elevate the original (for me it makes up for that in other places).
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That's one of my favorite Rush covers. The other is by Jacob Noon, an acoustic cover of Subdivisions.
https://youtu.be/W4vd9OVLO7Q
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I almost sent this one, Allegaeon's extreme metal cover of Subdivisions....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnyNjQVEZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnyNjQVEZ4)
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Lethean: Dreamscape – “Dancing With Tears In My Eyes”: Nice call! My second favorite Ultravox song (behind the obvious “Vienna”) and one of the songs they played at Live Aid. Big fan of Midge Ure, even if I don’t love everything about Ultravox (the sterility, the coldness of everything but Ure’s voice, though that may have been the point). This is a great example of capturing the essence; it’s a little fuller than the Ultravox version, and there are any number of instrumental flourishes – not all of them good – but they do get the apocalyptic bleakness of the original (I understand the original to be a man contemplating nuclear annihilation). Plus, they’re working with a melody that really sticks with you. 9
Wow did I get lucky. Confession time: I never heard of the original song (or Ultravox at all) when I heard this cover on Dreamscape's album Very. I guess I assumed that maybe they were popular in Europe but not here, but that's probably a bad assumption. I didn't think you'd be familiar with the song, but wanted to go with it anyway since it's a bit different than some others I'd considered. Glad you liked it so much. :)
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I almost sent this one, Allegaeon's extreme metal cover of Subdivisions....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnyNjQVEZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnyNjQVEZ4)
OH yeah, I haven't hear this one in a while.
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This was the other one I was itching to send....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d98KQ2DsiQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d98KQ2DsiQ)
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TAC: Meliah Rage – “Halo of Flies”:
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OK.... Let's go through this.
While the band got the essence – the swirl and buzz of the original, figuratively and literally the “halo of flies” – it’s a bit too… metallic in the sense that the Alice version is dirty and oily and almost uncomfortable.
I actually thought that might be an issue. But this is actually my all time favorite Alice Cover, and yes that includes Ronnie Dio's Welcome To My Nightmare and Bruce Dickinson's The Black Widow (which is AWESOME!!). Not surprised t hear you thought it was too metal.
This was the hardest song to score, BY FAR, because I wanted to reward you for enlightening me – which was your stated goal -
Then do it! ;D
Yes, it is my goal to spread the gospel of Alice Cooper, especially the original Alice Cooper band. The most underrated classic rock band.
- but also reflect that the cover itself slightly missed the mark.
I actually think it was the score itself that missed the mark. :P
I fell in love with the original and will be ordering the album once I get home from my trip. I want to hear the rest right now!
Great, then my work is done! :)
Order School's Out while you are at it. While you may be familiar with the title track, no other song on that album has gotten any airplay, and the title track doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. I consider School's Out and Killer essential albums. They are the 4th and 5th albums of the original band's 7 album run. They are the true pinnacle of the band's career. Both are Ezrin albums as well.
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I was wavering between the Redemption song and Motley Crue's version of "Helter Skelter" or Trans Siberian Orchestra's cover of Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24)"
Id'a kicked both back to you. Like Helter Skelter (but it still has Vince singing on it, haha), and LOVE Christmas Eve.
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Lethean: Dreamscape – “Dancing With Tears In My Eyes”: Nice call! My second favorite Ultravox song (behind the obvious “Vienna”) and one of the songs they played at Live Aid. Big fan of Midge Ure, even if I don’t love everything about Ultravox (the sterility, the coldness of everything but Ure’s voice, though that may have been the point). This is a great example of capturing the essence; it’s a little fuller than the Ultravox version, and there are any number of instrumental flourishes – not all of them good – but they do get the apocalyptic bleakness of the original (I understand the original to be a man contemplating nuclear annihilation). Plus, they’re working with a melody that really sticks with you. 9
Wow did I get lucky. Confession time: I never heard of the original song (or Ultravox at all) when I heard this cover on Dreamscape's album Very. I guess I assumed that maybe they were popular in Europe but not here, but that's probably a bad assumption. I didn't think you'd be familiar with the song, but wanted to go with it anyway since it's a bit different than some others I'd considered. Glad you liked it so much. :)
Ultravox was either the opener or one of the first bands to play Live Aid. Midge Ure - guitar and vocals for Ultravox - helped organize Live Aid, and is on the board that distributes the funds from that. He also co-wrote "Do They Know It's Christmas?" I trhink he was in Thin Lizzy for about eight minutes too. Their biggest hit was "Vienna", but "Dancing..." was pretty close. His voice is so clear and pristine... the band wasn't named for him, but it fits.
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TAC: Meliah Rage – “Halo of Flies”:
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OK.... Let's go through this.
While the band got the essence – the swirl and buzz of the original, figuratively and literally the “halo of flies” – it’s a bit too… metallic in the sense that the Alice version is dirty and oily and almost uncomfortable.
I actually thought that might be an issue. But this is actually my all time favorite Alice Cover, and yes that includes Ronnie Dio's Welcome To My Nightmare and Bruce Dickinson's The Black Widow (which is AWESOME!!). Not surprised t hear you thought it was too metal.
This was the hardest song to score, BY FAR, because I wanted to reward you for enlightening me – which was your stated goal -
Then do it! ;D
Yes, it is my goal to spread the gospel of Alice Cooper, especially the original Alice Cooper band. The most underrated classic rock band.
- but also reflect that the cover itself slightly missed the mark.
I actually think it was the score itself that missed the mark. :P
I fell in love with the original and will be ordering the album once I get home from my trip. I want to hear the rest right now!
Great, then my work is done! :)
Order School's Out while you are at it. While you may be familiar with the title track, no other song on that album has gotten any airplay, and the title track doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. I consider School's Out and Killer essential albums. They are the 4th and 5th albums of the original band's 7 album run. They are the true pinnacle of the band's career. Both are Ezrin albums as well.
I can say this, because it's the last round and most of the entries are in, but if it was the original being rated, you'd've gotten a higher score. The Alice version blew me away. I only know a handful of Alice songs - School's Out, No More Mr. Nice Guy, Only Women Bleed are the one's I know best and can sing to you; I've at least heard I'm Eighteen, Elected, Under My Wheels, and Billion Dollar Babies, Hey Stoopid. Maybe How You Gonna See Me Now. When I was getting into music, Alice was starting to be a joke. Maybe not a "joke", but his star was fading, and I didn't get into the more polished and commercial side of his later work. But Halo... is right up my alley. I love that.
So in conclusion, you should take your shitty score as a complement! :) (I'm kidding!)
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Home: Elliot Smith – “Because”: Always dangerous ground covering the Beatles (my favorite band, by the way). There are a few exceptions, but while there are a number of great Beatles covers, they rarely surpass the masters. This isn’t one of them, but it comes close.
I agree with this, it indeed doesn't surpass the original but it does do the original justice. And Elliott's distinct voice makes it makes it just different enough to sit comfortably beside the original.
I'm really hoping I don't screw this up now :lol
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Home: Elliot Smith – “Because”: Always dangerous ground covering the Beatles (my favorite band, by the way). There are a few exceptions, but while there are a number of great Beatles covers, they rarely surpass the masters. This isn’t one of them, but it comes close.
I agree with this, it indeed doesn't surpass the original but it does do the original justice. And Elliot's distinct voice makes it makes it just different enough to sit comfortably beside the original.
I'm really hoping I don't screw this up now :lol
You'd need to send him Janis Joplin covering something off Grace Under Pressure to lose.
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Home: Elliot Smith – “Because”: Always dangerous ground covering the Beatles (my favorite band, by the way). There are a few exceptions, but while there are a number of great Beatles covers, they rarely surpass the masters. This isn’t one of them, but it comes close.
I agree with this, it indeed doesn't surpass the original but it does do the original justice. And Elliot's distinct voice makes it makes it just different enough to sit comfortably beside the original.
I'm really hoping I don't screw this up now :lol
You'd need to send him Janis Joplin covering something off Grace Under Pressure to lose.
That would truly be my personal hell. :)
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What did everyone send?
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Mastodon - The Czar
Vanden Plas - Beyond Daylight OR Fates Warning - The Light and Shade of Things (Wildcard)
Nightwish - Beauty of the Beast
Fates Warning - Ghost of Home
Headspace - Daddy Fucking Loves You
Michael Kiske - Do I Remember a Life?
This Will Destroy You - The Mighty Rio Grande
Moon Safari - A Kid Called Panic
Waiting on Elite and King
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I'll get you the song tonight good sir.
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TWDY is good & that's a good album but villa del refugio and burial on the presidio banks are definitely both better than that one
epic rounds tho
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Not going to say which ones, but I've listened to four songs now more than once, and three of them... I feel every single one of the 10 or so minutes. Only one flew by and seemed shorter than it was. The rest were, dare I say, boring.
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The rest were, dare I say, boring.
Guilty. :facepalm:
Light a candle, bro! :lol
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The rest were, dare I say, boring.
Good.
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The rest were, dare I say, boring.
Guilty. :facepalm:
Light a candle, bro! :lol
I can say this because I didn't say who sent what, it's the last round, and it's my f*****g roulette, but... NOT guilty.
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:metal
Did you get my Alice PM?
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Sent!
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Sent!
I thought fo sho yours woulda been the Moon Safari!
Incredible that there were two submissions from Theories of Flight.
I know who sent Headspace.
And Kiske
And Nightwish
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And Kiske
I don't know what you're talking about.
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I thought that myself, Moon Safari be a great pic.
Theories of flight is a phenomenal album. So no surprise to songs with sent.
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blaze of glory baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Probably post results tomorrow. Got to finish write-ups and maybe listen once or twice more. One song... clear winner. One song, ahhhhhh, not so much. The rest are somewhere in between.
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Posting because I had to check out the Dreamscape cover of Ultravox. That is some good stuff. Wow.
No chance because I'm not doing the roulette but Stadler should totally check out Avantasia's cover of the song since he likes it to begin with. It's a bit more straightforward but it's one of my favorite gym songs :)
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:corn
(Can't wait to see how hard I've screwed this up in the last round)
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I wasn't going to win so I went introspective. See how Stadler likes it.
Or not.
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I needed a 480' home run (and a whiff by Home and Lethean), so I swung for the upper deck. I have just as good a chance of being the clear winner as I do the clear loser.
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So swinging like Joe Carter
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So swinging like Joe Carter
I'll swing like any guy that has a walk-off World Series winner.
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Sorry for the delay, bros. Friday got away from me when my grandson came over early - we were babysitting - and it was down hill (with regards to "Stadler personal time") from that point on.
Anyway; great roulette. Really, REALLY enjoyed this, and I can't thank you guys enough for taking it seriously, and sharing your music with me. I think I can safely say that every single one of you gave me SOMETHING I can keep - musically - and a few of you have truly opened my eyes to stuff I didn't even know existed and yet impacted my (musical) life. Thank you again. (And because of all the music I've had to now buy, I estimate each of you owes me about $12.64. Haha, kidding).
Now that it's over, I feel like high school is ending. I've learned some lessons for the next one (keep it moving; themes are good; long songs are bad!) and had some fun. This last round was a good round, not the best, but interesting. I tried to score it a little harder than some of the past ones, if only to make it interesting, but that didn't really work, as it turns out. Relatively, each song is where it should be. I hope no one takes any of this personally; you all have excellent, if quite varied, tastes, and it’s purely subjective (that’s been the hardest part of this, by the way, wanting to show respect, and not wanting to hurt feelings.)
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Kingshmegland: Echolyn – “When Sunday Spills”: Have to be honest: I first heard this, in passing, and I was like “Eeeeesh. Those vocals. King’s not going to like me after this score!”. But I noted the effort you put in, and I looked at the lyrics, and I listened to it again. And again. And again. And the beauty and the power just sort of pushed it’s way through. Not the best song of the round, but goddamn close, and really came to be everything l like in music. Particularly love what you noted, and that’s the way the music and lyrics play off each other. 8.5
Antigoon: They Will Destroy You – “The Mighty Rio Grande”: I guess this is “post rock”? Never seemed to care for the cutesy sub-designations. It’s all music. But I get it, and from what I’ve heard, I like it. This was powerful and emotive, and I absolutely loved the buildup to the end (no joke there). 8
Jingle.boy: Nightwish – “Beauty of the Beast”: Broham. You were on a roll. You were doing so well. And… I’m sorry but I just can’t get past the vocals, and musically it wasn’t so compelling as to overcome. I know there has been some flux in the Nightwish singer spot; I know there are some male vocals as well. I’ve not heard any of those, but if they’re like this, I’m not sure I’ll like it. The part she says “I still feel for you” and goes up to the “lost is there” was almost cringe-inducing. 6.5
TAC: Michael Kiske – “Do I Remember A Life?”: Huh. Helloween. I remember a video that looked almost like an early Maiden performance video, and it was so over the top it was like watching a heavy metal “Steel Panther” without the scat humor. Piercing, clichéd, “Jim Gillette Metal Method” vocals and generic riffage (to be fair, that was decades ago, and the only time I’ve listened to them). But this… song of the round. This was KILLER. I loved the atmosphere and the smoothness in his voice as he elevated the song. This really connected with me, and I’d like to hear more from this album (assuming it’s more in this vein and not the over-the-top, Priest on steroids cartoonery of the Helloween I know. 9
Mosh: Moon Safari – “A Kid Called Panic”: A band I hear a lot about here on the forum, but another I’ve never actually heard. I really liked this. A lot of Nordic (for lack of a better descriptor) bands in this roulette, and in the favorites of the people here, and while it’s foolhardy to generalize, there is a distinct “cleanliness” and “sterility” (in a good way) to the music I’ve heard. Having said that, it seems to veer from metallic and cold to pure and crystalline, and for me I seldom like the former, and almost always like the latter. I love that sort of clean, clear poppiness that you hear in bands like Ultravox, and, as it turns out, Moon Safari. Always a sucker for symphonic vocals and this doesn’t disappoint. I hear a lot of my favorite bands in this; the general Beatles and Yes (the vocals) and the cool little parts like the vocal/keyboard interplay at around 5:30 and how it switches gears so abruptly, yet smoothly, around 6;)0. Pure Genesis magic there. Good tune and another band I’m going to try to dig into a little around the holidays. 8
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Lonestar: Headspace – “Daddy Fucking Loves You”: Hmmm. Expectations were high here, with the pedigree of Adam Wakeman. I saw him recently poking his head out from behind the black curtain at the Sabbath show, but didn’t know what to expect here… it was good, but not great. There were moments; the epic part at 12:30-ish that sounded like Myles Kennedy singing a Yes cover (and I mean that in the best possible way) but there was something that kept it from being just… amazing, and I don’t know what it is. At first I thought it was the vocals, but they weren’t bad, actually, even if a little reedy for me. I didn’t follow any of the lyrics, and, as a dad myself, if you’re going to title something “Daddy Fucking Loves You”, it’d be cool to know where that’s pointed, and I still don’t. I’m going to hope that what I hear next from them is a little more focused, and give it a… 7.5
Elite: Procupine Tree – “Arriving Somewhere But Not Here”: I just don’t get the notion of Stephen Wilson. I really don’t. He’s done some great things – the Crimson remasters, “Sunsets On Empire” (my favorite Fish solo song, BY FAR). This had moments, but in typical Wilson fashion, one time I’d listen and say “This fucking SUCKS”, and yet one time I listened (in the shower; does that matter?) and it hit closer to home and I liked it. But then I tried to revisit that, and it never really happened again. Nice chorus; I generally like that kind of drone-y take on things, but, again, as with many things Wilson to me, the work just seems to never quit trying to remind me how superior and clever it (and he) is, and I find that annoying. 7
v_clortho: Fates Warning – “Ghost of Home” and Lethean: Fates Warning – “The light and Dark of Things”: Same write up for both, since the comments are the same. I have a theory, and an unpopular one for some, I’m sure: bands generally get the recognition they deserve. I know, I know, but if only people heard [insert my favorite song] it would be top of the charts, better than that shit from [insert pop tartlet of the moment]. But I generally think that’s the exception to the rule. Things have a way of getting heard, and if they don’t, they don’t. Fates Warning never clicked with me, and they just seem to be a second-tier version of things that I’ve heard before and like better. It doesn’t help that I kept thinking “Blaze Bayley!” each song, other than some riffage in the middle of “TLADOT”, everything just seemed to be… I don’t know if uninspired is the right word, but maybe derivative? I don’t judge anyone for liking it – believe me, there’s a shit ton of music I LOVE that is at best “derivative”, but this didn’t click, perhaps because I’m so into what it’s derivative of. 7
Home: Mastodon – “The Czar”: I hated this at first, but in my playlist, it was right after Michael Kiske’s song, so I got to hear it a lot and it just grew and grew on me. I liked the droning aspect of it, at first the vocals really didn’t connect, but after a few listens it hit me: this is what Ozzy SHOULD be doing now, rather than that programmed industrial shit that seems to have pervaded “Black Rain” and “Scream”. The more I listened to this – especially the end half or so – the more I realized this channeled the best of one of my favorite bands (and my favorite period of that band), the Sabotage-era Sabbath. I liked this, and the score has climbed accordingly; my preliminary score was 6.5, and, well, now that the listening is over and I have to commit, I’ll put it at… 8
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These are some sure interesting scores for Nightwish, Headspace, PT and Fates Warning.
That Michael Kiske song is indeed killer though, I've got it in my roulette too.
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Home 66
Lethean 64
Kingshmegland 64
v_clortho 63
TAC 63
jingle.boy 62.5
lonestar 62.5
elite 61.5
antigoon 61
Mosh 60
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While I love that Nightwish song, it is very early Nightwish, and there's a lot more in their discography you'd appreciate for sure, Stads. Shame that one didn't click with you.
When I sat down with all the Fates Warnings albums a couple months ago, I fell in love with those two songs. Not as much as when I went through Rush, but I think Fates is a fairly underappreciated band, at least as far as I know them and all my metalhead friends. But, I also love the longer songs, FW does them very well for my tastes.
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I'd recommend the entire album The Czar is from- Crack the Skye. It's my favourite metal album, and that's not even my favorite (or the most "epic") song on there.
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Stadler, I know what you're on about with Mastodon. I tried to get into them probably a dozen times ever since I heard Portnoy praise them back in the early 2000's and it never really worked for me. Every few years when they'd release a new album, I'd try their catalog again and I'd end up wondering what was wrong with me. But then a couple of years ago, I tried again and Crack the Skye really just floored me. After obsessing on it for a few weeks I started collecting their other albums and have never looked back.
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While I love that Nightwish song, it is very early Nightwish, and there's a lot more in their discography you'd appreciate for sure, Stads. Shame that one didn't click with you.
Isn't that from Century Child? Fourth album out of eight isn't very early in my book.
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It's weird; not to overstate it, but I'm a pretty self-reflective guy, and even so, this roulette taught me something about myself, and about music in general. Some of it is pretty arbitrary. I obviously value a good singer; but I like Motorhead. There isn't a ton of difference between the guy from Headspace and the guy from Echolyn. Yet, the Echolyn song resonated like a tuning fork with me. I like symphonic, operatic stuff, but the Nightwish thing didn't click AT. ALL. I totally get if some of you think there's no rhyme or reason, but I promise you I put in the time, and tried very hard to balance the objective with the subjective. I didn't take anything on first listen (which, I believe, is why there isn't a ton of spread in the scores; I was able to find something to connect with in almost every song, even if certain songs separated themselves from the pack).
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While I love that Nightwish song, it is very early Nightwish, and there's a lot more in their discography you'd appreciate for sure, Stads. Shame that one didn't click with you.
Isn't that from Century Child? Fourth album out of eight isn't very early in my book.
That's true, but at the same time it's only 5 years after their debut (and now 15 years ago). I see where you're coming from, though, that's just how I view it. Especially since the band really isn't the same band it was back on CC.
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Thanks Stadler. I had a great time playing. That Echolyn album has so much substance. You'd love the album.
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Eh, I can live with that. If you want something more "Yes" out of Headspace check out the first song, Road to Supremacy, on their second album, that just reeks Yes. And I totally hear ya about musical taste, it's really just up to what clicks, I just roll with what I like.
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I gotta say that Fates may be many things, but I don't think derivative is usually one of them. Especially not later FW. I don't get the Blaze Bailey comparison at all. I actually like what I've heard of him just fine, but Ray Alder is one of my favorite singers. And he was doing his thing with FW before Blaze joined Maiden.
As for recognition - none of the bands I sent you get much recognition. (Besides Judas Priest, but I only sent them because of the HoF thing). Fates actually gets more than some of the bands I sent. They all play in really small venues and that's just the way it is. I don't think it has much to do with who deserves what. Progressive metal just isn't that popular. DT seems like the hardest working of the bunch - they certainly tour more - but they kinda got lucky with Pull Me Under and they've said as much. I suppose you could argue that they deserve their success because they wrote a radio hit and the others didn't, but I don't really think that way. I certainly do think they deserve their success, and many bands have been influenced and inspired by them, but Fates was doing their own thing before DT. (As MP acknowledged many times).
If you didn't like the song - totally cool. That happens. But you liking it or not really has nothing to do with the level of success they've had. You liked the Threshold track, and they have wayyy less recognition than FW.
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It's weird; not to overstate it, but I'm a pretty self-reflective guy, and even so, this roulette taught me something about myself, and about music in general. Some of it is pretty arbitrary. I obviously value a good singer; but I like Motorhead. There isn't a ton of difference between the guy from Headspace and the guy from Echolyn. Yet, the Echolyn song resonated like a tuning fork with me. I like symphonic, operatic stuff, but the Nightwish thing didn't click AT. ALL. I totally get if some of you think there's no rhyme or reason, but I promise you I put in the time, and tried very hard to balance the objective with the subjective. I didn't take anything on first listen (which, I believe, is why there isn't a ton of spread in the scores; I was able to find something to connect with in almost every song, even if certain songs separated themselves from the pack).
I think that's totally normal. If I were to do a roulette, I'm sure it would be the same. Someone would be bound to think "well you like A, B, and C, how could you not like D?" There are bands that have all the ingredients on paper of what I should like, but I just don't.
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While I love that Nightwish song, it is very early Nightwish, and there's a lot more in their discography you'd appreciate for sure, Stads. Shame that one didn't click with you.
When I sat down with all the Fates Warnings albums a couple months ago, I fell in love with those two songs. Not as much as when I went through Rush, but I think Fates is a fairly underappreciated band, at least as far as I know them and all my metalhead friends. But, I also love the longer songs, FW does them very well for my tastes.
What's up with your name? I'm just going back to Firewings. :) Maybe sometimes FW for short, then you'll get confused and think I'm talking about Fates Warning. :) Light and Shade was one of my favorite songs of 2016.
If the Nightwish track is Tarja era, that's a tough sell. I was never able to get into her voice (and can't stand it when she sings Angra songs), but I know a lot of people love it. I think Floor Jansen is the best of the three.
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While I love that Nightwish song, it is very early Nightwish, and there's a lot more in their discography you'd appreciate for sure, Stads. Shame that one didn't click with you.
When I sat down with all the Fates Warnings albums a couple months ago, I fell in love with those two songs. Not as much as when I went through Rush, but I think Fates is a fairly underappreciated band, at least as far as I know them and all my metalhead friends. But, I also love the longer songs, FW does them very well for my tastes.
What's up with your name? I'm just going back to Firewings. :) Maybe sometimes FW for short, then you'll get confused and think I'm talking about Fates Warning. :) Light and Shade was one of my favorite songs of 2016.
If the Nightwish track is Tarja era, that's a tough sell. I was never able to get into her voice (and can't stand it when she sings Angra songs), but I know a lot of people love it. I think Floor Jansen is the best of the three.
I volunteered to be the 'toe' to complement Tick and TAC and got a name change I did not fully expect to occur :lol And yeah, it's Tarja era. Which is more confusing because their debut has 'Beauty AND the Beast.'
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I was on the fence whether to send Ghosts of Home or The Light and Shade of Things. Looks like it wouldn't have mattered.
Just curious, who do you think Fates Warning is derivative of?
Also, have you delved any further into the Devin Townsend catalog yet? If so, what do you think?
Glad you liked a few of the songs I sent. This was fun.
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I'll write more on FW in a minute, but the short answer: I have "By A Thread" in transit to the house, so I'm starting there. I looked into "Contain Us" but held off because I wasn't sure if it was better to buy the albums individually or as the group. I know I want to get Epicloud and Transcendence (I've heard, I think, three songs from the latter and liked them very much).
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Definitely don't get deconstruction
Probably do get ocean machine
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TAC: Michael Kiske – “Do I Remember A Life?”: Huh. Helloween. I remember a video that looked almost like an early Maiden performance video, and it was so over the top it was like watching a heavy metal “Steel Panther” without the scat humor. Piercing, clichéd, “Jim Gillette Metal Method” vocals and generic riffage (to be fair, that was decades ago, and the only time I’ve listened to them). But this… song of the round. This was KILLER. I loved the atmosphere and the smoothness in his voice as he elevated the song. This really connected with me, and I’d like to hear more from this album (assuming it’s more in this vein and not the over-the-top, Priest on steroids cartoonery of the Helloween I know. 9
Glad you liked that. But while 80's Helloween may not be your thing, they are pretty much responsible for a lot of what is going on today in Power Metal. In many ways, they laid the blue print.
Stadler, Kiske joined them for 1987's Keeper Of The Seven Keys Pt1, which was actually their second album. The crazy thing about it is that Michael Kiske is one year YOUNGER than YOU! He recorded those Keepers albums as an f'n teenager! I remember buying Keeper Pt.1, and I put the tape in after leaving the record store. I'm Alive started and I literally pulled over into a nearby park and just sat in my car and listened to the entire album. I literally could not move!
Here's a pic of a 19 y/o TAC and a 19 y/o Kiske!
Taken 9/24/87 in downtown Providence
(https://i.imgur.com/fFW3L6c.jpg)
Anyway, this track is from his first solo album, 1996's Instant Clarity. What's cool is that Adrian Smith plays on 3 tracks, two of which he is joined by Kai Hansen (Helloween's guitarist, who left a couple of years before Kiske). This was the last album of his that featured "heavy" music. He became disillusioned with the scene. While vocally, he remained amazing, musically he would released some crap. He has since returned to the heavy scene with Unisonic (with Kai Hansen) and the upcoming Pumpkins United Tour (Helloween reunion, also playing in Worcester next September!)
Anyway, Instant Clarity is quite varied. There's actually no other song like DIRAL?.
Here's Always, which was dedicated to Ingo Schwitchenberg, the late ex-Helloween drummer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-ekkmZgyG0
New Horizons (With Hansen and Adrian, you'll recognize the prechorus from Iron Maiden's New Frontier's prechorus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAKzW_Ix3U
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Holy shit that is an awesome photo and you get serious cred for that :metal :metal :hefdaddy
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This was very fun, thanks Stadler!
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Definitely don't get deconstruction
Probably do get ocean machine
Deconstruction is my favorite. Not for everyone and absolutely chaotic but I just love it.
Casualties of Cool is pretty good as well. I love how you never know what you're going to get with a Devin release.
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These are some sure interesting scores for Nightwish, Headspace, PT and Fates Warning.
That Michael Kiske song is indeed killer though, I've got it in my roulette too.
I agree. Tim will be :getoffmylawn: because I scored him lower than the song deserved. It's aged very well the more I listened to it (as I predicted in my writeup of the score).
bands generally get the recognition they deserve.
How do you explain Nickelback then?
As for the Nightwish score ... totally not surprised. Tarja-era Nightwish can be hit or miss, and I told you this wasn't the most accessible song or the best place to start with Nightwish, but I had to do something different to have a chance to catch Home. I could've submitted another 'safe' very-good song and scored and 8 (my average for the whole roulette), and I still wouldn't have won.... so I have no regrets.
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That Michael Kiske song is indeed killer though, I've got it in my roulette too.
I agree. Tim will be :getoffmylawn: because I scored him lower than the song deserved. It's aged very well the more I listened to it (as I predicted in my writeup of the score).
Yup. You did predict it. Sometimes in a roulette, there just isn't time for some songs to resonate, especially the longer songs.
But if Kiske isn't banned, there's a good chance I'm sending it. ;D
And I appreciate everyone respecting that. Likewise, I will never send White Lion just in case J Boy wants to use them. :lol
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That Michael Kiske song is indeed killer though, I've got it in my roulette too.
I agree. Tim will be :getoffmylawn: because I scored him lower than the song deserved. It's aged very well the more I listened to it (as I predicted in my writeup of the score).
Yup. You did predict it. Sometimes in a roulette, there just isn't time for some songs to resonate, especially the longer songs.
But if Kiske isn't banned, there's a good chance I'm sending it. ;D
And I appreciate everyone respecting that. Likewise, I will never send White Lion just in case J Boy wants to use them. :lol
So there's kind of an unwritten rule about not sending a band that you know someone else is really into? :) I'm down with that, unless it's a band I'm also obsessed with. Except I don't know that much about what others like yet. (Except that Stadler's wrong about Grace Under Pressure, Leprous, and apparently, Fates Warning. :) And I'll save Stratovarius for Firewings. :))
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Definitely don't get deconstruction
Probably do get ocean machine
Deconstruction is my favorite. Not for everyone and absolutely chaotic but I just love it.
Casualties of Cool is pretty good as well. I love how you never know what you're going to get with a Devin release.
casualties of cool is my favorite devin release, tbh
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That Michael Kiske song is indeed killer though, I've got it in my roulette too.
I agree. Tim will be :getoffmylawn: because I scored him lower than the song deserved. It's aged very well the more I listened to it (as I predicted in my writeup of the score).
Yup. You did predict it. Sometimes in a roulette, there just isn't time for some songs to resonate, especially the longer songs.
But if Kiske isn't banned, there's a good chance I'm sending it. ;D
And I appreciate everyone respecting that. Likewise, I will never send White Lion just in case J Boy wants to use them. :lol
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So there's kind of an unwritten rule about not sending a band that you know someone else is really into?
No such rule ... in fact, some of us like to be pricks, and 'rock-block' bands so that someone else CAN'T use them. :biggrin:
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I am likely to think of a Strato song for any possible round should I participate, but others should feel free to use them :lol
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Wooooo ;D
Glad the song grew on you! I wasn't too sure about my song but Mastodon are really worth the effort to get into them!
I'd recommend the entire album The Czar is from- Crack the Skye. It's my favourite metal album, and that's not even my favorite (or the most "epic") song on there.
I second this, Crack The Skye is probably their most praised album, and with a reason. Alternatively if you like a more melodic aproach Once More Round The Sun is definitely worth checking as well.
Anyway thanks for hosting this Roulette! I enjoyed playing in this, and while I think I kind of played safe by not sending stuff that's too out there I hope to have acquainted you with some new music :metal
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These are some sure interesting scores for Nightwish, Headspace, PT and Fates Warning.
That Michael Kiske song is indeed killer though, I've got it in my roulette too.
I agree. Tim will be :getoffmylawn: because I scored him lower than the song deserved. It's aged very well the more I listened to it (as I predicted in my writeup of the score).
bands generally get the recognition they deserve.
How do you explain Nickelback then?
As for the Nightwish score ... totally not surprised. Tarja-era Nightwish can be hit or miss, and I told you this wasn't the most accessible song or the best place to start with Nightwish, but I had to do something different to have a chance to catch Home. I could've submitted another 'safe' very-good song and scored and 8 (my average for the whole roulette), and I still wouldn't have won.... so I have no regrets.
No regerts? :) You did awesome and gave me a ton of good music (the Ayreon sticks out still). As for Nickleback, I have no beef with Nickleback. Not my favorite of all time, but I don't really get the hate. I LOVE Chad's voice, actually.
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I LOVE Chad's voice, actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ITpYf5b3s
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Anyway thanks for hosting this Roulette! I enjoyed playing in this, and while I think I kind of played safe by not sending stuff that's too out there I hope to have acquainted you with some new music :metal
No, again, thanks to all of you, and I think I can honestly say that EVERY SINGLE PERSON sent at least one song that sent me back to the wood shed. I have 1600 CDs in my house, and so that fact humbles me.
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If you'd like any advice or background info on bands I sent, let me know. Also my round 7 pick was going to be a track from Need's album Hegaiamas until it changed to a cover round. I love that album and it's a 2017 release so I definitely recommend you check it out.
I probably wouldn't have sent you Fates Warning had I known they were already a band you didn't like - I was trying to send you stuff you hadn't heard. If you're already relatively familiar with them, I won't press you to keep trying. But if you've only checked out a few random tracks over the years, I still say to give them a real shot, even if you didn't like those 2 tracks. Fates albums are usually growers for me, and it took me a bit to really get into them.
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It's less that I "heard them and didn't like them" than what I've heard didn't grab me. But I also was turned off to Devin because of Sex and Religion, and Kiske from Helloween (one song, in a video) but both of them scored high. There's really no rules.
I'll give them another listen, and I still have to post why I said "derivative", so...