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Title: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 04, 2017, 03:31:20 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_im_working_on_integrating_8-string_guitars_into_new_dream_theater_music.html

Well that's definitly something new, I would like to hear some very lows from JP ;) maybe not djent, but 8 string guitar gives many possibilities, not only very low tuning ;)
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 04, 2017, 06:59:14 AM
I think Ultimate Guitar just yanked this from another interview, can't remember which one, maybe the one with the Captain. But I remember JP saying this word for word previously.

Anyways, I like how the 7 string inspired him on Awake, so I'm hoping they get him an 8 string before/during the writing for the next album, different flavors are always nice. That said, I don't see him going straight djent because he has eight strings, I see him utilizing it in a manner similar to the 7, and still maintaining his style, just with an extended range. Meaning he'll probably use it for some heavy stuff but also a lot of clean arpeggiated chord stuff as well.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: bosk1 on August 04, 2017, 09:39:02 AM
Yeah, that was posted before and has been discussed.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on August 04, 2017, 09:52:25 AM
I think Ultimate Guitar just yanked this from another interview, can't remember which one, maybe the one with the Captain. But I remember JP saying this word for word previously.

Anyways, I like how the 7 string inspired him on Awake, so I'm hoping they get him an 8 string before/during the writing for the next album, different flavors are always nice. That said, I don't see him going straight djent because he has eight strings, I see him utilizing it in a manner similar to the 7, and still maintaining his style, just with an extended range. Meaning he'll probably use it for some heavy stuff but also a lot of clean arpeggiated chord stuff as well.

Yeah, what mikeyd23 said.

I don't see 8 string guitar = djent, as some people do. A good example is Haken, both of their guitarists use 8 string guitars and their music is not the djent cliche sound that lots of people complain about.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 04, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
Yeah, that was posted before and has been discussed.
Yeah, sorry bout doubling the topic. I found discussion aboit it in DT14 album thread.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: DougMasters on August 04, 2017, 03:00:27 PM
might as well just get that music-man baritone scale bass guitar.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: pcs90 on August 04, 2017, 03:32:11 PM
It'd be interesting to see what he comes up with. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few djent riffs but I imagine it will be more for extended range in general. As said above 8 strings doesn't automatically mean djent.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 04, 2017, 05:39:48 PM
To be honest, I would love to hear some heavy riffs in Awake style. I miss that metal side of DT after The Astonishing.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on August 04, 2017, 07:13:30 PM
I think Ultimate Guitar just yanked this from another interview, can't remember which one, maybe the one with the Captain. But I remember JP saying this word for word previously.

Anyways, I like how the 7 string inspired him on Awake, so I'm hoping they get him an 8 string before/during the writing for the next album, different flavors are always nice. That said, I don't see him going straight djent because he has eight strings, I see him utilizing it in a manner similar to the 7, and still maintaining his style, just with an extended range. Meaning he'll probably use it for some heavy stuff but also a lot of clean arpeggiated chord stuff as well.

Yeah, what mikeyd23 said.

I don't see 8 string guitar = djent, as some people do. A good example is Haken, both of their guitarists use 8 string guitars and their music is not the djent cliche sound that lots of people complain about.

Also, I believe Scale the Summit tastefully explores the 8 string range.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: PetFish on August 04, 2017, 10:06:52 PM
If there's anyone that can actually "play" an 8-string with definition and such and not just chunk on the low end like you're stuck in the mud it's JP.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on August 04, 2017, 10:34:07 PM
I think Ultimate Guitar just yanked this from another interview, can't remember which one, maybe the one with the Captain. But I remember JP saying this word for word previously.

Anyways, I like how the 7 string inspired him on Awake, so I'm hoping they get him an 8 string before/during the writing for the next album, different flavors are always nice. That said, I don't see him going straight djent because he has eight strings, I see him utilizing it in a manner similar to the 7, and still maintaining his style, just with an extended range. Meaning he'll probably use it for some heavy stuff but also a lot of clean arpeggiated chord stuff as well.

Yeah, what mikeyd23 said.

I don't see 8 string guitar = djent, as some people do. A good example is Haken, both of their guitarists use 8 string guitars and their music is not the djent cliche sound that lots of people complain about.

Also, I believe Scale the Summit tastefully explores the 8 string range.

Actually, they haven't. Chris Letchford said he got his first 8 string not so long ago, and couldn't complete a song with it for the latest album, so he hasn't used it on any STS song yet. But, still, I agree that STS is a good example of using extended range guitars and not goong full djent.


If there's anyone that can actually "play" an 8-string with definition and such and not just chunk on the low end like you're stuck in the mud it's JP.

I agree, JP would never fall into the "chugga chugga - nothing else" realm, he's a very tasteful player with a big sense of melody.

What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL. He could use them more for down tuned stuff without the need of an 8 string guitar.


might as well just get that music-man baritone scale bass guitar.

I could be wrong, but I think he recorded These Walls with one, before he had a line of signature EBMM baritones.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Dellers on August 05, 2017, 04:02:31 AM
I'm quite skeptical. To me guitars tuned that low just don't sound good at all (and this is coming from someone playing a 7 string). A slightly detuned 7 string can work if the guitarist and sound engineer are careful about the sound (Myrath comes to mind, they typically play in A standard AFAIK), but I have yet to hear someone play a low F# or even E that doesn't sound a bit like torture to me. At a certain point low notes should be played on a bass, which is built to sound good at low frequencies.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Mladen on August 05, 2017, 07:10:56 AM
I'm still open to the idea, but it would be interesting if the guys went into the studio with a completely loose vision, without being influenced by currently relevant djent bands. It would be more authentic if it were "DT experiments with an 8 string guitar" instead of "DT pulls from djent contemporaries".
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on August 05, 2017, 08:49:29 AM
The new Adagio album was mostly done with 8-strings, and while there are a few spots where djenty riffing comes in, it didn't do a ton to pull the band in a different direction from what they were previously.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: PetFish on August 05, 2017, 10:39:19 PM
I'm quite skeptical. To me guitars tuned that low just don't sound good at all (and this is coming from someone playing a 7 string). A slightly detuned 7 string can work if the guitarist and sound engineer are careful about the sound (Myrath comes to mind, they typically play in A standard AFAIK), but I have yet to hear someone play a low F# or even E that doesn't sound a bit like torture to me. At a certain point low notes should be played on a bass, which is built to sound good at low frequencies.

I agree.  It's just so hard to get any definition the lower you go.

JP tuned his 7 down to A for "Illumination Theory" and it's tough to pick out different notes sometimes.  Whenever I see these 8/9-string people playing, yeah, it sure looks like they're going crazy with low-end cuz their fingers are flapping all over, but it all sounds like the same note.

Like I said, if anyone can pull it off it'll be JP.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Adami on August 05, 2017, 10:51:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGyS55UQMUE


Lots of different ways to play an 8 string.

Though I'm pretty JP is set in his and isn't going to be exploring new playing styles.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: bosk1 on August 05, 2017, 10:53:46 PM
What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL.

He didn't stop.  Unless I'm mistaken, he used a baritone on BMU/BMD.  It's just that he has never used it for that many songs. 
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on August 05, 2017, 11:03:13 PM
Meh. I want to hear the music first. 8 string or 2 string, doesn't mean anything to me (even as a musician). Maybe it will motivate Petrucci to start trying a few different things, who knows?
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: arkdtmp on August 05, 2017, 11:05:53 PM
I don't think he did. I tried learning it a while back, and I think he wrote it on a normally-tuned 7-string. He plays it live on a 7-string as well:(https://snag.gy/omNkJQ.jpg)
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Mladen on August 06, 2017, 03:38:44 AM
That song is fucking great.  :metal
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Bertielee on August 06, 2017, 07:25:28 AM
That song is fucking great.  :metal

Yup, it is!
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Mosh on August 06, 2017, 08:48:19 AM
What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL.

He didn't stop.  Unless I'm mistaken, he used a baritone on BMU/BMD.  It's just that he has never used it for that many songs.
it hasn't been used since BC&SL, but even then I'm not sure if he has used it on more than 4-5 songs.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on August 06, 2017, 02:57:11 PM
What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL.

He didn't stop.  Unless I'm mistaken, he used a baritone on BMU/BMD.  It's just that he has never used it for that many songs.
it hasn't been used since BC&SL, but even then I'm not sure if he has used it on more than 4-5 songs.

You're right, just counted the songs where I know he used the baritone and there's only 4: These Walls, Panic Attack, ANTR and Wither (and I'm not entirely sure about this one).
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 07, 2017, 12:34:19 AM
What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL.

He didn't stop.  Unless I'm mistaken, he used a baritone on BMU/BMD.  It's just that he has never used it for that many songs.
it hasn't been used since BC&SL, but even then I'm not sure if he has used it on more than 4-5 songs.

You're right, just counted the songs where I know he used the baritone and there's only 4: These Walls, Panic Attack, ANTR and Wither (and I'm not entirely sure about this one).

I'm pretty sure that A Nightmare to Remember is a regular six string in C. The other song he uses a baritone on is Blind Faith.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: rumborak on August 07, 2017, 01:21:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGyS55UQMUE


Lots of different ways to play an 8 string.

Though I'm pretty JP is set in his and isn't going to be exploring new playing styles.

I would also say, 90% of the stuff he played there should, if at all, be played by JM. I mean, that's exactly the stuff he *used* to play.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Mosh on August 07, 2017, 02:11:47 PM
What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL.

He didn't stop.  Unless I'm mistaken, he used a baritone on BMU/BMD.  It's just that he has never used it for that many songs.
it hasn't been used since BC&SL, but even then I'm not sure if he has used it on more than 4-5 songs.

You're right, just counted the songs where I know he used the baritone and there's only 4: These Walls, Panic Attack, ANTR and Wither (and I'm not entirely sure about this one).

I'm pretty sure that A Nightmare to Remember is a regular six string in C. The other song he uses a baritone on is Blind Faith.
This is correct.

Would be cool to have a thread (in the musicians forum maybe) that details the tunings  of every DT song for quick reference. I could make one if there was a demand for it.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Cable on August 07, 2017, 04:24:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGyS55UQMUE


Lots of different ways to play an 8 string.

Though I'm pretty JP is set in his and isn't going to be exploring new playing styles.

I would also say, 90% of the stuff he played there should, if at all, be played by JM. I mean, that's exactly the stuff he *used* to play.


Near perfect timing! As just today Rob Scallon released this back and forth with Davie504 (bass player). Both don't really take themselves seriously in their videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-BG_t1RtFI

I agree Rumborak, and more of the same really in this new video. When you have a guitar and bass, part of the point is to cover ground the other cannot. Add in drums, and standard tuned rock bass already competes sonically with the bass drum. 8 strings, and to a degree 7 originally, work well as a solo thing due to the range. But place that in a band, and things get stepped on and duplicated more. So really in rock music the point is range. We can talk all about how it makes X octave scales easier, 7 or 8 string sweeps, or 7 or 8 string chords. Yet scales and sweeps are a fraction of most of rock songs. And place simultaneously sounded 8 strings chords in distortion =  :\.  I fully accept seven strings and five strings in any rock music (own one of each). But lets not act like JP is going to re-invent the wheel here, because he didn't with 7 strings. And he won't with 8, as the 7's have been to expand his range.

Animals as Leaders works well as there are just the three of them, and they purposely forgo bass but cover that range sometimes. But they are an exception IMO.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGyS55UQMUE


Lots of different ways to play an 8 string.

Though I'm pretty JP is set in his and isn't going to be exploring new playing styles.

I would also say, 90% of the stuff he played there should, if at all, be played by JM. I mean, that's exactly the stuff he *used* to play.

But imagine the options of JP is handling some of those lows, it gives JM more freedom to explore the rest of the bass and not just stick to adding in the low notes.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 07, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
But imagine the options of JP is handling some of those lows, it gives JM more freedom to explore the rest of the bass and not just stick to adding in the low notes.

This is exactly what I'd love to see... ermmm Hear.

Or even JM playing stick along with JP's 8.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Cable on August 07, 2017, 06:15:59 PM
What has been the overall trend of JM's bass playing though, especially post SFAM? There are token bass parts/breaks, especially with DT12, and better bass mixes recently (ADTOE & DT12). I don't think we can say JM has strayed far away from guitar doubling with any regularity, for better or for worse, for awhile. However, DT12 was a step in the right direction.


Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on August 07, 2017, 10:32:08 PM
What I don't really get is why JP stopped using his baritone guitars after BC&SL.

He didn't stop.  Unless I'm mistaken, he used a baritone on BMU/BMD.  It's just that he has never used it for that many songs.
it hasn't been used since BC&SL, but even then I'm not sure if he has used it on more than 4-5 songs.

You're right, just counted the songs where I know he used the baritone and there's only 4: These Walls, Panic Attack, ANTR and Wither (and I'm not entirely sure about this one).

I'm pretty sure that A Nightmare to Remember is a regular six string in C. The other song he uses a baritone on is Blind Faith.
This is correct.

Would be cool to have a thread (in the musicians forum maybe) that details the tunings  of every DT song for quick reference. I could make one if there was a demand for it.

Do it!  :hefdaddy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGyS55UQMUE


Lots of different ways to play an 8 string.

Though I'm pretty JP is set in his and isn't going to be exploring new playing styles.

I would also say, 90% of the stuff he played there should, if at all, be played by JM. I mean, that's exactly the stuff he *used* to play.

But imagine the options of JP is handling some of those lows, it gives JM more freedom to explore the rest of the bass and not just stick to adding in the low notes.

Exactly what I would love to hear!

Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 07, 2017, 11:28:16 PM
About a thread with tunings for DT songs, this a very good idea ;)
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: cfmoran13 on August 08, 2017, 06:36:32 AM
If the songs are good, I could care less about the number of strings on his guitar.  He shouldn't either.  It seems like such a pandering comment to make.  "I want to use [insert wankery term here] on the next album."  Please just write a kickass album.  Otherwise, I wish his guitar had no strings.  It'd be just as good.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Mosh on August 08, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
I'll put something together tomorrow.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: rumborak on August 08, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dky0ekeuuKA

Saw this earlier looking for 8-string guitar videos :lol
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 08, 2017, 03:26:25 PM
^ Hilarious!! :rollin
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 08, 2017, 10:34:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dky0ekeuuKA

Saw this earlier looking for 8-string guitar videos :lol
Hahaha, 666 gauge or something ;) Anyway, I totally agree with this
If the songs are good, I could care less about the number of strings on his guitar.  He shouldn't either.  It seems like such a pandering comment to make.  "I want to use [insert wankery term here] on the next album."  Please just write a kickass album.  Otherwise, I wish his guitar had no strings.  It'd be just as good.
Totally agree, no better words to say that.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Drinktheater on September 05, 2017, 05:16:17 AM
It will be interesting what he can do with an 8 string guitar. Perhaps some more heavy stuff coming.

Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: PetFish on September 05, 2017, 04:51:16 PM
If the songs are good, I could care less about the number of strings on his guitar.  He shouldn't either.  It seems like such a pandering comment to make.  "I want to use [insert wankery term here] on the next album."  Please just write a kickass album.  Otherwise, I wish his guitar had no strings.  It'd be just as good.

I agree with this and always cringe whenever people are like "JM should use the stick more/again".  Why?  Just for the sake of using it?  If you watch any videos of him playing it he mostly plays it just like a bass anyway so there's no point other than the "gadget factor".

I was always worried about JR and his gadgets cuz it would turn into "I wonder what crazy gadget JR will use on the next album", which is kind of what it ended up being anyway, which takes away from the music itself since people will be looking for the gadget as opposed to listening to the music.

Just leave the gadgets to bands like Muse.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 05, 2017, 09:39:21 PM
i'll take anything that would make DT's music sound different than the norm
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Drinktheater on September 06, 2017, 08:31:03 AM
i'll take anything that would make DT's music sound different than the norm

Who knows maybe he will use a ukelele in the next album for that Kum Ba ya! moment!
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Another_Won on September 06, 2017, 06:38:50 PM
I'm hoping for a new DT heaviest moment!
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on September 07, 2017, 10:37:32 AM
I just want the album to be released in mid 2018, and not early 2019. It's such a long wait  :'(
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 07, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
About a thread with tunings for DT songs, this a very good idea ;)

No need for that thread. All DT guitar tunings by song.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/phlip/DreamTheaterGuitarTunings.html
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 07, 2017, 11:44:29 AM
If the songs are good, I could care less about the number of strings on his guitar.  He shouldn't either.  It seems like such a pandering comment to make.  "I want to use [insert wankery term here] on the next album."  Please just write a kickass album.  Otherwise, I wish his guitar had no strings.  It'd be just as good.

This!

My feeling is that the goal of any band should be to write great music. I want to hear riffs so good that they help my jog last 30 minutes longer. I want to hear vocals so good that they make me contemplate a career as a karaoke singer. Writing music that is different and unexpected is a useful trick for reaching that goal, but it should not be the goal, if that makes sense. Having specific expectations for any album seems like a recipe for disappointment, at least to me.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Renzo on September 07, 2017, 11:45:07 AM
I just want the album to be released in mid 2018, and not early 2019. It's such a long wait  :'(

If during this period off tour each member of DT has got the opportunity to write some material maybe we could expect DT14 to come out in September/October 2018. So in summer they can elaborate all the ideas they came up with.. But yes, it IS gonna be a long wait.  :'(
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: bosk1 on September 07, 2017, 12:27:25 PM
If the songs are good, I could care less about the number of strings on his guitar.  He shouldn't either.  It seems like such a pandering comment to make.  "I want to use [insert wankery term here] on the next album."  Please just write a kickass album.  Otherwise, I wish his guitar had no strings.  It'd be just as good.

This!

My feeling is that the goal of any band should be to write great music. I want to hear riffs so good that they help my jog last 30 minutes longer. I want to hear vocals so good that they make me contemplate a career as a karaoke singer. Writing music that is different and unexpected is a useful trick for reaching that goal, but it should not be the goal, if that makes sense. Having specific expectations for any album seems like a recipe for disappointment, at least to me.

Well, I tend to agree.  But I also have to say that it's not like JP put himself out there as promoting the album or trying to generate interest by putting out a press release about his new 8-string or something like that.  He's using one, and Ultimate Guitar apparently asked him about it and put the information out there.  So, again, it's not like he is trying to create a certain expectation or as if the goal is anything but writing great music. 
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on September 07, 2017, 12:36:11 PM
I just want the album to be released in mid 2018, and not early 2019. It's such a long wait  :'(

If during this period off tour each member of DT has got the opportunity to write some material maybe we could expect DT14 to come out in September/October 2018. So in summer they can elaborate all the ideas they came up with.. But yes, it IS gonna be a long wait.  :'(

But that's not how DT works at all, they like to write in the studio, that's why they take that much time in the studio  :-[
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Renzo on September 07, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
I just want the album to be released in mid 2018, and not early 2019. It's such a long wait  :'(

If during this period off tour each member of DT has got the opportunity to write some material maybe we could expect DT14 to come out in September/October 2018. So in summer they can elaborate all the ideas they came up with.. But yes, it IS gonna be a long wait.  :'(

But that's not how DT works at all, they like to write in the studio, that's why they take that much time in the studio  :-[

Yeah you're right about that. But I wonder if they already have some ideas. I saw recently a video of Jordan playing a short solo on twitter.. But yeah, until we receive updates it's hard to speculate when it will actually come out. Even LaBrie wasn't sure if DT14 will come out in fall 2018.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: gzarruk on September 07, 2017, 01:30:50 PM
I just want the album to be released in mid 2018, and not early 2019. It's such a long wait  :'(

If during this period off tour each member of DT has got the opportunity to write some material maybe we could expect DT14 to come out in September/October 2018. So in summer they can elaborate all the ideas they came up with.. But yes, it IS gonna be a long wait.  :'(

But that's not how DT works at all, they like to write in the studio, that's why they take that much time in the studio  :-[

Yeah you're right about that. But I wonder if they already have some ideas. I saw recently a video of Jordan playing a short solo on twitter.. But yeah, until we receive updates it's hard to speculate when it will actually come out. Even LaBrie wasn't sure if DT14 will come out in fall 2018.

All I know is MM has been writing material for both his solo album and the new DT album, we just don't know how much of that will actually end up being used.

Jordan is currently recording a new prog solo album (he's posted a few snippets of it on facebook), so I don't think he's had time to write new DT music.

Myung might have been writing, but he's always so silent that I doubt even his family knows what he does on his free time  :biggrin:

James doesn't (directly) take part on the writing of the music, so I doubt he's been working on something DT-related. Also, he's confirmed he has a new solo album in the works, so he should be focused on that for the first few months of 2018.

And then there's JP, who I think is safe to assume has been writing something, but he seems to be so fixed on the "most of the material should come from the jams at the studio" mentality, that we just don't know what to expect. I just hope that, meanwhile, he finally gets to work on his 2nd solo album, which seems to be slated for release "sometime after Tool releases their next album"  :lol
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: Herrick on September 11, 2017, 12:43:40 AM
I finally watched that Captain interview with Petrucci. I think it's very interesting that Petrucci hadn't even played an 8-string at least up until that interview but he had already decided that he woulod play an 8-string on the next album.

Awake didn't sound like any of the 7-string stuff going on in the '90s. Then again there wasn't a hole lot of 7-string music back then. Nevertheless I have hope that the next DT album won't sound too much like any of the modern bands that do the 8-string chug thing.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: PetFish on September 11, 2017, 03:03:57 PM
I finally watched that Captain interview with Petrucci. I think it's very interesting that Petrucci hadn't even played an 8-string at least up until that interview but he had already decided that he woulod play an 8-string on the next album.

I'm sure he's at least messed around with one.  There doesn't need to be any official footage or audio of him playing one for it to be "real".  Haven't all of us slingers at least picked one up in Ye Olde Luthier Shop?  I doubt he'd just say something like that out of the blue.
Title: Re: JP wants to use 8 string guitar on next DT album
Post by: WheyWaffles on September 11, 2017, 07:05:11 PM
I think anything below about A1 sounds fucking gross distorted.

Please no 8-string unless it's multi-scale with a high A.