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Anyone watch this yet? Just watched the first two episodes and it's pretty friggin good. Starring Jason Bateman who also directs it. He's a money laundered who's forced to relocate to the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. I'd keep watching more in a row if I didn't have to drive 6 hours home in the morning but I can tell i will hammer out the 8 remaining epidodes soon.
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Only three Ep. to go. Very good show
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I may check it out eventually, but the early buzz I heard was that it was a fairly straightforward anti-hero by numbers kind of show so it's not super high on my priority list.
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One episode in. It's got real potential.
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I may check it out eventually, but the early buzz I heard was that it was a fairly straightforward anti-hero by numbers kind of show so it's not super high on my priority list.
Ehh....I wouldn't call it straight forward at all. It's very well acted by all and there are many compelling scenes and cool characters.
Just finished it and I'm really hoping season 2 gets picked up.
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I'm 2 episodes in and yeah it is predictable, but it is a lot of fun to watch and the setting is unique and a character itself. I'm loving it. That first episode was tense as well and had a few "Whoa, wasn't expecting that!" moments
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I'm 2 episodes in and yeah it is predictable, but it is a lot of fun to watch and the setting is unique and a character itself. I'm loving it. That first episode was tense as well and had a few "Whoa, wasn't expecting that!" moments
Well speaking to the predictability aspect, this isn't set up like a 'movie' per say where there are going to be twists and turns at every point. This is as 'realistic' as you can get when speaking to money laundering, a failing marriage, low income people scratching a living by and so on.
The strongest qualities are the acting, particularly Bateman and Laura Linney as they deal with their marriage issues. There's a scene in episode 6 or 7...can't remember.....where they are having it out and it is so well acted that you forget they are actors. And Juia Garner's portrayal of Ruth is pretty top notch as well.
I liked the show a lot in large part due to the acting. the story is still compelling enough to watch but again, it's not set around some sort of 'clue' atmosphere with a realm of mystery in every scene....it's just how does each character deal with everything that is happening. That's the strong point of the show IMO.
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I'm tempted by this. I watched the trailer last night and got a Breaking Bad vibe from it. Is that a fair comparison, and if so how does it stack up to BB? Also the trailer didn't show any comedy, so is this played 100% straight? Or does it have the dark comic moments of BB and Fargo for instance?
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It's played pretty straight from what I've seen so far (4 episodes). There's humour in some of the bizarre situations that occur, but there's not really any out and out comedy moments. Not the sort of dark humour of Fargo (which reminds me - I have to keep going with the latest season of that. I watched a couple of episodes before going off on holiday, and haven't picked it up since :)).
I think what I'm trying to say is, OZARK is kind of its own thing.
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I'm tempted by this. I watched the trailer last night and got a Breaking Bad vibe from it. Is that a fair comparison, and if so how does it stack up to BB? Also the trailer didn't show any comedy, so is this played 100% straight? Or does it have the dark comic moments of BB and Fargo for instance?
The comparison to BB would be the illegal aspect of what Bateman is doing and the 'relationships' he has in that underworld. As Logain stated....the comedy in the show isn't set up to be in your face ha ha ha comedy....what humor there is....is part of the everyday 'real' situations that are explored. I did find myself laughing on multiple occasions but it's certainly not set up to be a comedy.
It is straight forward and it's done really well as a straight forward show. I thought the dialogue between characters was the shows largest strength. Very well written.
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Anyone watch this yet? Just watched the first two episodes and it's pretty friggin good. Starring Jason Bateman who also directs it. He's a money laundered who's forced to relocate to the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. I'd keep watching more in a row if I didn't have to drive 6 hours home in the morning but I can tell i will hammer out the 8 remaining epidodes soon.
If I see your name as the OP, I always check out the show because I seem to enjoy the same type. Sure enough, I'm 3 eps in and hooked.
Thanks G
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Anyone watch this yet? Just watched the first two episodes and it's pretty friggin good. Starring Jason Bateman who also directs it. He's a money laundered who's forced to relocate to the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. I'd keep watching more in a row if I didn't have to drive 6 hours home in the morning but I can tell i will hammer out the 8 remaining epidodes soon.
If I see your name as the OP, I always check out the show because I seem to enjoy the same type. Sure enough, I'm 3 eps in and hooked.
Thanks G
:tup I have a similar situation with a movie reviewer I follow on twitter. I'd say I like about 80% of what he likes. With so much out there to watch, it's always nice to have a couple 'trusted' sources to either get you turned on to something or verify if you'd like it or not.
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Just finished the show last night. I really loved it, it was tense those last two episodes. I had to leave the room during the toenail scene though. Oh man, that was horrible.
Gonna rewatch the show this weekend with my parents. I really enjoyed it.
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That toe Nail scene was brutal.
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Just started watching. Aside from some clunky exposition at the beginning, the writing and acting is great.Thanks for the heads up on the toenail scene. I'll be leaving the room too.
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Crazy thing is that anyone old enough can remember when Jason Bateman was known as "Hey, I didn't know Justine had a brother." Funny how time turned it 180 degrees. Jason is a great actor and it really shows in this character.
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Really great new noir crime drama. Awesome atmosphere, acting, music and exposition. Despite the complete saturation of the genre, especially in television, it's singular enough to stand out but doesn't try to one up the classics like the obvious (despite clear inspirations). I like that it doesn't reach too much but still stands out. Definitely nothing ground breaking or anything, but I'm excited to see season 2 and the wrap up of season 1 was pretty damn awesome and there were certainly some gripping moments.
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Really great new noir crime drama. Awesome atmosphere, acting, music and exposition. Despite the complete saturation of the genre, especially in television, it's singular enough to stand out but doesn't try to one up the classics like the obvious (despite clear inspirations). I like that it doesn't reach too much but still stands out. Definitely nothing ground breaking or anything, but I'm excited to see season 2 and the wrap up of season 1 was pretty damn awesome and there were certainly some gripping moments.
Totally agree with this. You hit the nail on the head when you say it doesn't try to one up any of the other shows in this 'good crime' type genre. Certainly gives some nods to them all but doesn't go crazy trying to selerate itself from the pack at all. It stayed true to itself and IMO found great footing.
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I just started watching this show today. It's great, I look forward to finishing it this weekend.
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Just finished it tonight. The last episode was really good, with quite a few twists and turns.
Hopefully it will get picked up for a second season, as I reckon there's still a fair amount of story to be told.
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NETFLIX has ordered a second season. That's good to know. Really good show.
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Three episodes in, I like it so far.
I am not the only one at work who is watching who has noticed the portrayal of Missourians as backward hicks on the show. Seems awfully stereotypical thus far.
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Two episodes in and while I'm not hooked I'll keep watching. Loved the use of Decks Dark at the end of the first episode.
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Yeah, that was sweet to hear a Radiohead song used so prominently.
Four episodes in now, and while I am not losing interest, it is not drawing me in like I thought it would. I thought episode 2 was awesome, but then 3 and 4 were both just okay. I am not a fan of Ruth and the rest of her redneck entourage, and so far I do not find much to like about any of the main characters (from a likability standpoint).
I will keep plugging away, and I won't be surprised if my feelings change here soon.
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Just two episodes in and really liking this show. The dog, toe and peanut butter scene was really funny. The main character reminds me a lot of Walt in Breaking Bad.
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The main character reminds me a lot of Walt in Breaking Bad.
Aside from their connection to the cartel and doing illegal stuff, I don't see that at all.
Walt was a very emotional guy and had spent his whole life underachieving, given his smarts, prior to cooking meth.
Marty seems very stoic and unemotional and seems to be a major overachiever in regards to work.
I am not seeing the Breaking Bad comparisons that people keep talking about in general at all.
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I finished Season 1. Pretty great overall; it really picked up after a somewhat slow start.
The death of the real estate's mother was one of the dumbest and most contrived things I've ever seen, but overall I like the writing a lot.
I am in totally in for Season 2. :tup :tup
Oh, and as someone who has been to the Ozarks a dozen times over the years, I can say with much certainty that the Ozarks look nothing like what we saw on the show. :lol :lol
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Oh, and as someone who has been to the Ozarks a dozen times over the years, I can say with much certainty that the Ozarks look nothing like what we saw on the show. :lol :lol
yep. The Party cove scene had .0000095% of the amount of actual boats that are in that cove when it's hopping. :lol It's bank to bank covered in boats to where you can literally walk from one side to the other going from boat to boat.
And You'd be hard pressed to find a home like the one they moved in to where the waves weren't beating the shore line to death.....
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All true. At least they didn't show the "dirtier" aspects of the Party Cove. :lol :lol
The Ozarks are sunny and bright all summer, every summer, not overcast and gloomy.
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Loved the show and look forward to the next season. My anxiety level rose dramatically when the preacher was in the lake with that newborn. Also, nice touch playing Jackie Blue by the Ozark Mountain Daredevils.
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I'm not an avid series watcher, but I binged this one in three days. The cinematics, acting, music, story, it was pretty much top notch all the way through. Great stuff.
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I finally caught up this show, after binge-watching Mindhunter in a day, I needed to indulge in another Netflix show. Man did this show deliver. I liked all the characters in the show, I initially hated the FBI special agent but the last 3 episodes redeemed his character and gave a much-needed backdrop. Still, I think he could've been setup a little better. Either way, I'm really looking forward to the second season and the arc it takes. I can't wait to see how the Cartel handles this.
I like the take on this show how straight forward the conversations are. I mean the kids are like "MOM! What happened?!" and a few secs later... she tells them. There are several examples like these and I love that even though most of the story takes a fairly obvious turn it keeps the suspense really well.
Netflix has been killing it with the shows lately.
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Just a heads up that the second season is up on Netflix. Solid first episode.
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Two episodes in, and so far so good.
A couple of shocks as well. I like that unexpected element of it.
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Season 2 was definitely far better than season 1 and this is coming from someone who didn't think the show needed another season. Wendy's development was really good and it'll be interesting to see how that plays into Season 3.
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Anyone else finish it?
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I did the other day, yes.
I loved the first 60% of the season or so, but it felt like they tipped their hand on too many things and then had to pull them back, and the end of the season didn't feel very satisfying.
I loved where they were going with the feds and Petty, but then he went back to rarely being seen and then killed off in a really stupid manner. I was really disappointed with the way that was handled.
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I finished it last week. I enjoyed it, but I feel like it ran out of steam a little. There were quite a lot of sudden deaths, which felt like they were trying to clear the decks for the next season.
I thought the whole storyline of Mason and his baby was stretching it a little too much, but I did like how Wendy is stepping up to the plate, just as Marty is starting to crack up and lose control.
My favourite character is probably Ruthie - I definitely had a lot of empathy for her, trying to do right by her cousins, and dealing with her scumbag father.
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I don't think Marty is cracking up and losing control so much that he is showing that he is very human and the craziness around him is affecting him in a big way, as opposed to Wendy who appears to be getting drunk with power and shrugging things off like it's no big deal. She seems like a natural for politics. :lol :lol
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Absolutely. It seems like Season 3 is going ahead, so it will be fun to see if Wendy becomes the driving force.
The relationship between Marty and Rachel is an interesting one. If he wants to make his life even more complicated then there's an obvious way to do it.. :lol
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Looking forward to more Ruth and Kansas City mob in the next season.
I for one like the change in dynamic with Marty and Wendy. Wendy seems okay with killing after taking out Ruth's dad, while Marty is struggling with it, although Wendy indirectly killed while Marty actually has killed someone. On that note, Jason Bateman's acting was phenomenal after he killed the preacher, it all seemed so genuine.
I was sad to see it end, gotta wait til next summer now
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So late to the party, but I wanted to comment on how much I like this show. I'm still missing 1 episode from season 1 and can't wait to get to the next one.
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Just started this show. I'm only a couple of episodes in, but it's fantastic thus far.
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Pretty sure both you guys are going to love it. The acting is top notch and they do a great job of moving the story along.
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Finished season 1 the other day. I was not expecting that at all. Does he ever catch a break? :lol
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I'm anxiously awaiting season 3. :corn
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A reminder that Season 3 of Ozark starts tonight on Netflix.
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A reminder that Season 3 of Ozark starts tonight on Netflix.
Woot! The only bummer is I watch it with my wife and she does not have the ‘binge’ stamina that I have. :lol She’s two episodes at a time.....sometimes three. I could have this series done by tomorrow night like a true pro but will have to crawl along with her.
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Ozark really jumped right in to S3 :omg:
We watched first two episodes last night. Seems like they haven’t lost a beat.
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Plowed through all of Season 3 over the weekend. Really good stuff!
Laura Linney better get a damn Emmy nomination this time.
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Through (6) episodes. I'm watching with my wife who as I've mentioned....does not have the binge stamina that I do.....so, this is taking a bit to get through. One of the things about this show is that it just hasn't let down one bit season after season. The conflict(s) that are introduced are plausible which gets you invested in the characters.
I imagine this will take me another two or three nights to get through with her.
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Watched ep1, season 1 last night. I will be binging this in the coming days.
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I finished S3 last night - binged the last 3 episodes. I really enjoyed this season overall. The new characters were good, and added an extra dimension instead of just being tacked on.
Ruth Langmore is still one of my favourites. If anyone deserves a sliver of happiness in this whole show, it's her. The girl has gone though some seriously hard times, and still keeps going.
Wyatt, what are you doing man? Just no... :)
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Really great season. This show is done really well....kudos to all involved. Obviously with the way the season ended there certainly must be a plan for S4.
And....I've mentioned before.....I watch entirely too much television because right before Navarro's family was massacred at the Baptism I turned to my wife and said they're all about to get shot up.....and, in the last episode when they all boarded the plane I told my wife that Helen thinks she's got Marty and Wendy in trouble but I bet Navarro kills her. I didn't think it'd be that immediate....thought maybe it'd be after some conversation but I never doubted she was getting whacked.
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The shotgun to the head of Del Rio was exceptionally graphic :omg:
This show is beyond insane. Just about to finish S1, I'd gather I'll be caught up by Sunday or Monday.
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The shotgun to the head of Del Rio was exceptionally graphic :omg:
Yes it was. And, it was so unexpected.
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SPOILERS BELOW
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Once they said they were all going to Mexico, I figured Helen was a goner (Marty and Wendy are the two main characters, so they aren't going anywhere any time soon), but it happening that fast was like, woah.
I was ready for the brother to go (he reminded me too much of Billy from Six Feet Under at times, although he was far more violent), but you still felt bad for him a little. He couldn't get out of his own way. I thought it was a great call to not show his death on screen. That whole sequence was the best thing the show has done to date. Wendy breaking down the way she did was masterful acting by Laura Linney. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Darlene just killed Jacob. Good lord what a vicious, calculating woman, she is easily the most evil one on this show.
Everything is firing on all cylinders in this show, it's so intriguing man. Ruth Langmore might be one of the best character arcs ever, just love her story, and the girl who plays her is beyond outstanding.
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I'm gonna back up on declaring Darlene the most evil, I think Wendy is about to take her to school.
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I'm gonna back up on declaring Darlene the most evil, I think Wendy is about to take her to school.
It’s so much fun reading your comments as you catch up. This series is fantastic. The acting is off the charts. Near every one of those actors and actresses just knock it out of the park and the writing is top notch as well.
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I'm gonna back up on declaring Darlene the most evil, I think Wendy is about to take her to school.
It’s so much fun reading your comments as you catch up. This series is fantastic. The acting is off the charts. Near every one of those actors and actresses just knock it out of the park and the writing is top notch as well.
Yep, it's a well executed show on all fronts. The guy playing Ben is giving a mindblowing performance, he's capturing the anguish of bipolar so fucking well. Shame Wendy is gonna whack him. (Prediction at this point, I'm at the end of EP7)
Edit: Holy fucking shitballs did they really end it like that :omg:
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I'm gonna back up on declaring Darlene the most evil, I think Wendy is about to take her to school.
It’s so much fun reading your comments as you catch up. This series is fantastic. The acting is off the charts. Near every one of those actors and actresses just knock it out of the park and the writing is top notch as well.
Yep, it's a well executed show on all fronts. The guy playing Ben is giving a mindblowing performance, he's capturing the anguish of bipolar so fucking well. Shame Wendy is gonna whack him. (Prediction at this point, I'm at the end of EP7)
Edit: Holy fucking shitballs did they really end it like that :omg:
:lol They have a knack for exclamation points to end the season(s)
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For reals man...I figured someone was getting whacked, but to spray her brains all over Wendy's hair man....
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One of the things I like about the show is that it keeps you guessing. I had a few scenarios running through my head about what was going to happen with Ben, and Helen. When the Byrds realised that Helen was making a power play, I thought it was going to be a setup for the next season, where they realise they will have to outmanoeuvre her. That one was answered way quicker than I thought, but this show doesn't shy away from big shock moments!!
I'm kinda glad they didn't actually show Ben getting killed. It was more powerful when left to the imagination. Another problem to be resolved, another loose end to be tied up in this desperate mess that they've created for themselves.
I was wondering about the Marty's "confession" that Helen got from the FBI. Is that going to make a reappearance in the next season, do you think? Or was that plot line a bit of a red herring?
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Definitely Netflix's best show. My wife urged me to watch it, without telling me anything about it....halfway into the very first episode I was completely hooked. I love that it wasn't some clean character "breaking bad," but someone who had already started delving into that world and its consequences.
This third season was awesome.
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I need to go back and count how many times Wendy says fxxx.
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Wendy or Ruth?
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Wendy or Ruth?
Oops, yes Ruth. I remember seeing her in The Americans.
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Ok, I mean Wendy says fuck a few times, but Ruth is the one where you'd have to send off the figures to NASA to have them crunch the numbers on a supercomputer. I was so highly impressed of her command of the word.
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Finally caught up to season 3 and it was hands down one of the best seasons of any TV I've seen. I mean it was Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul level amazing. The acting of all the characters was just through the roof.
I honestly never cared to follow the plot points in the show because to me the draw is the relationships and character beats in the show. The plots are kinda logical the way they follow but the true strength of the show, if you ask me, are the behaviors of all of them. Season 3 was phenomenal in that aspect and it sucked me all the way. Episode 9 in particular just destroyed me.
Truly an amazing show.
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Holy bump Bat(e)man!
Finished season 1. Very nice show and I'm confident it will turn out to be one of the best dramas on Netflix!
Spoilers follow..... d'uh.
I started watching it trusting the general perception that this show had a lot of fans, and the very basic premise; I must say I consider myself quite good at geography but I cannot know EVERYTHING in the world, "Ozark" gave me the idea of a made-up Middle East region or something :lol
Turns out it's in Missouri and by photos I assume it's very nice to spend a holiday there, in the summer... but the blue-ish palette of the show makes it look eerie and claustrophobic, it really highlights the sense of dangers the Byrdes live in.
Jason Bateman is very good in this, even though at certain quieter moments Michael Bluth bleeds in.
The Langmores were interesting, and Ruth is obviously the MVP there, very curious to see her evolution.
I can't stand the Snells and the trope of the villain having the eerie long monologue, geez, shut up, you redn.... no, wait, I take it back! I don't want to end up like Del ;D
Seriously, what the hell was that? completely shocking moment! totally didn't see it coming (and neither he or his bodyguards for that matter), this will change everything for season 2.
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Wife was out on this after the baby episode. It took us nearly a year but we came back to it and finished Season 2 after binging a couple of episodes every night.
For those that loved season 1, wait until you see Season 2! :hat
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It's an excellent show that only gets better—by far my favorite Netflix original.
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You basically answered a question I wanted to ask but forgot - I mean, I'm in, I will watch it anyway, but I was curious about what was the consensus about the following seasons... if Season 2 is even better, I look forward to it! :hat
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Like mentioned each season gets better than the previous one. IMO season 1 is just ok. Even though I liked it, I didn't love it. But season 2 was amazing and then season 3 knocked it out of the park and was flat out fantastic. The acting in season 3 by several actors was top notch. I feel like they didn't properly utilize Laura Linney in the 1st season, she's excellent in the subsequent two.
It's going to end with the next season and am very hopeful they stick the landing.
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You basically answered a question I wanted to ask but forgot - I mean, I'm in, I will watch it anyway, but I was curious about what was the consensus about the following seasons... if Season 2 is even better, I look forward to it! :hat
You will not be disappointed:)
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Aaaaand I've seen season 2! OBVIOUSLY SPOILERS FOLLOW, D'UH.
You guys weren't lauding it invain, it was amazing! it started fairly in line with Season 1, but midway through the pace picked up and reached levels of intensity never seen since Breaking Bad! (of which Ozark manages to be a similar show, without copying it... it's in the same category but it's not a BB moved to Missouri, for sure).
So many amazing moments:
- The Snells dynamic... you start out with Jacob being the bad guy, with all his convoluted speeches, and then it turns out (not that it wasn't hard to understand given the season 1 finale) that the real batshit crazy one is the wife!!! I've seen her described on Reddit as "Redneck Cersei" and now that's all I think about ;D what a completely loose cannon... "what do you do when the bride that took your breath away now makes you hold your breath in terror?".... AMAZING LINE.
- Poor Ruth, that girl has to go through so much shit. The waterboarding from the cartel, the daddy issues.... when she screwed up a robbery and started bawling incontrollabily in the car "please Daddy please I'm not a fuckup", I just wanted to reach through the screen and hug her forever. Amazing character.
- Mason.... we have a good guy whose life has been RUINED by the Byrdes and the Snells, and the show made me root against him! granted, he was a stubborn self rightous guy high on religion, but come on, his life was literally ruined, and yet when he kidnapped Wendy all I could think about and that he was better off dead. What a tragic character.
- Speaking of Wendy.... wow! she started out as the reluctlant wife having to go along with the plan, we feared for another Skyler but no, SHE's the one who broke bad. SHE's the "one who knocks"... or that puts an hit on a man now that she's in the good graces of the cartel / the lawyer.
Knowing there was a third season it was more than obvious that they would not escape to Australia, I was continously expecting in the season finale a major unespexted drama to make up a cliffhanger but no, that's why they don't escape - because Wendy WANTS TO STAY and knows she can order hits on people. Wow. The contrast of her evolution and Marty's dead eye stare in the interview after they killed Mason is impressive.
The show is damn good, and some shorcuts can be forgiven (Petty is dead, how convenient.... and why the hell they made the anbush on the Snells if the result of a rain of bullets is ONE MAN hit in the shoulder? come on, that was cheap). I will savor the emotions of season 2 and in a couple of weeks or so (I like to alternate between shows) I will begin season 3 :hat
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Aaaaaand I finished Season 3!!! mandatory but what logic would dictate as a useless SPOILER WARNING!
Loved it just as season 2 if not more! man, this show is really Breaking Bad's successor if not directly (that is obviously Better Call Saul) at least when it comes to high tension in a family involved with crime.
If you think hard enough about it, there were many plot conveniencies, like at the beginning with all the stuff with the other casino (the wife dies and that's it? Wendy sits in their casino with a shit-eating grin telling them they're committing a crime and no one cares?), but overall every episode was captivating and they didn't waste time - at episode 4 Marty was already captured by Navarro and listening to heavy metal in his jail, whoah!
And coming back to Wendy, she went off the deep end, she really WalterWhite'd up and her ambition made her reckless, with Marty always being the voice of reason. If everybody listened to Marty, they would all be safe - and we wouldn't have a show obviously :D
Ben and his mental issues were heartbreaking... I mean, I was pissed at him for continously screwing up but he couldn't help it, the penultimate episode with Wendy driving him around and realizing more and more that he couldn't absolutely be trusted to live wa completely devastating.
Bleah at Darlene and Wyatt, ew.
And the ending.... during the last episode I was wondering how season 4 would go down - it seemed to be shaping like an epic battle of wits between the Byrdes and Helen and I'm curious to see how they wiOH MY GOD THEY SHOT HELEN IN THE HEAD MARTY AND WENDY HAVE HER BLOOD AND BRAINS IN THE HAIR AND ON THE CLOTHES OMG!!! What the hell is with this show and suddenly shooting people in the face in the last episode!?!?
Now that I'm all caught up, I'm eagerly awaiting the final season. I can't even imagine how it could end - with Breaking Bad you knew that Walter White was 99% going to die, the only doubts were how much collateral damage he'd leave behind, and if it was a completely depressing one or a bittersweet one.
With Ozark I can't even imagine what would be Marty's "happy ending", and therefore imaging the opposite - would he break free from the cartel now that he's so deep in? would his arrest with Navarro being killed be an happy ending or not? will he and Wendy remain on the same side? is Jonas going to break bad? will Ruth get the hugs and respect she deserves? will Darlene finally, FINALLY die? caaaaan't wait!!!!
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I'm six episodes into Season 1 - and I'm thinking of ditching it. As you said MirrorMask it's easiest comparison is Breaking Bad, but Breaking Bad was often really, really funny...I'm finding Ozark (so far) just a bit drab. Also doesn't help I'm just not a fan of Bateman in general and here he's doing his normal 'everyman' routine and to be honest I'm finding that makes his character (the main character) not very interesting or engaging.
Basically if I'm struggling with it now, is it worth continuing with? Or should I just pass this one of as 'not one for me' (we can't all like the samethings!)?
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I immediately liked Season 1, but season 2 and 3 were even better. I don't know if the step-up is gonna be enough for you if already the premise doesn't interest you.
You're six episodes in, just stick to the final four so that you complete at least the season, and then decide if the way season 2 is set up can interest you.
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I found Ruth to be the funniest character - she's given some fantastic dialogue. It really is a great show, even if it is similar to Breaking Bad. Jason Bateman, Laura Linney and the girl that plays Ruth are fantastic.
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I still don't see the show as being similar to Breaking Bad much at all, and whoever in the media started that narrative not only did the show a disservice, but put unrealistic expectations on it. Several co-workers went in expecting BB quality and gave up saying, "It was okay, but it was no Breaking Bad."
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I still don't see the show as being similar to Breaking Bad much at all, and whoever in the media started that narrative not only did the show a disservice, but put unrealistic expectations on it. Several co-workers went in expecting BB quality and gave up saying, "It was okay, but it was no Breaking Bad."
I think it’s every bit as good as BB as far as writing, and in fact.....believe the ensemble of actors on Ozark outshine the ensemble on BB.
But it was and is an unfair comparison because outside of having drug dealing as a plot device there really isn’t much of a similarity.
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I still don't see the show as being similar to Breaking Bad much at all, and whoever in the media started that narrative not only did the show a disservice, but put unrealistic expectations on it. Several co-workers went in expecting BB quality and gave up saying, "It was okay, but it was no Breaking Bad."
I think it’s every bit as good as BB as far as writing, and in fact.....believe the ensemble of actors on Ozark outshine the ensemble on BB.
But it was and is an unfair comparison because outside of having drug dealing as a plot device there really isn’t much of a similarity.
Ozark has far more over the top contrived moments that BB ever did, IMO, but the writing is still very good. I think the acting on both is great, so I won't go out of my way to trash anyone from either show, but Bryan Cranston is the x-factor that makes BB stand out in a big, big way, as I still think his performance was one of the two greatest I have ever seen in either TV or film (he and Gandolfini from The Sopranos are 1a and 1b for me).
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The fourth season of Ozark will be available on Netflix January 21st. It has been almost two years since season 3.
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Really looking forward to season 4, which will be split into 2 parts!
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I hope they'll stick to the landing and this will be remembered like one of the greatest series in recent years.
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I hope they'll stick to the landing and this will be remembered like one of the greatest series in recent years.
There is zero reason to doubt they won't accomplish that. It's been fantastic thus far.
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Two episodes into season 4 part 1. Man is it so good so far. So much tension!
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Saw the first episode. I'm gonna watch one episode per day and, if anyone cares, this is what I already consider "binging".
I'm gonna savor this one and not gonna gulp down seven episodes in a row.
And yeah, first episode is quite great, I wonder if the opening scene is gonna be contestualized only at the end of the seventh episode, or we'll know more soon....
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Looks like I finished the Expanse just in time....digging into S4 now...
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I'm three episodes in, great stuff.
It's not a spoiler since it's my opinion since the end of season 3, so what I'm thinking now I was already thinking it at the end of season 3, but I hope Ruth manages to come out alive and happy!
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I already finished the new season, but I will hold off saying anything until others are finished as well.
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Only had time for the first episode.
God I love this show.
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I already finished the new season, but I will hold off saying anything until others are finished as well.
I'd say give it at least a week. :lol
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Haha, yep.
I will say this: Julia Garner deserves any and all accolades and awards she gets. She does a magnificent job in playing Ruth. Bateman and Linney are tremendous in their roles as well, but Garner, who was obviously kind of an unknown prior to this role, is a revelation.
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Holy fucking shit! This half of the season was unreal!
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What the actual fuck? This shit is fucking blowing my mind. Seriously a fantastic season, love the depth of Navarro's character, and Ruth is perfection. The moment where she is all pissed at Wyatt for getting married to Darlene, then does that 180 moment and ask if she can go to the wedding...I can't believe how brilliant a piece of acting that was, how she revealed the real heart of who Ruth is and how lost she truly is in one simple line. Just fucking amazing
Ok, done. Fantastic stuff. I'll wait for everyone to catch up, but damn I can't wait for Pt2, just read that to be considered for Emmy nomination, the entirety of it must be finished broadcasting by May 31st, so we shouldn't have to wait too long.
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Agree with your small print. Ruth is an amazing character and very well acted.
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Yikes - small print! Avoiding for now.. :lol
Finished ep 4 last night. Loving the unpredictability of it, and the characters are really strong. If this is indeed the final season, I think it could go down as one of the best shows on Netflix.
I love that there's all sorts of different strings of tension going on between all the characters. You can tell that Marty does have some sort of affection for Ruth, and as others have said, the actress that plays her is absolutely brilliant.
Also Darlene has to to be one of my favourite characters. You just don't know what you're going to get with her - all kinds of crazy!
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I too finished the fourth episode, as I said I'm watching one per day.
Quote out of context: "What the fuck, what the actual fucking fuck?"
:lol
Totally agree, and again it's not a spoiler since it was already obvious, about how Marty cares for Ruth, if these two aren't buddies by the end of the series, I'm gonna be sad.
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Finished it on the weekend. Love it. No to spoil it all for you guys.. just kidding.
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Saw the fifth episode. Another out of context quote:
"WHAT?"
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Finished the seven episodes.
Game of Thrones had the 9th episode with all the mayhem going on, Ozark instead has the last episode of the season with someone being suddenly shot in the fucking face, holy jeez that will never stop to startle me!
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Finished the seven episodes.
Game of Thrones had the 9th episode with all the mayhem going on, Ozark instead has the last episode of the season with someone being suddenly shot in the fucking face, holy jeez that will never stop to startle me!
Any sympathy I had for Wyatt was long gone after he told Ruth he never really wanted to go with her. Given what a smart guy Wyatt was shown to be scholastically, I guess he was a shining example of what can happen when intelligent people make really bad decisions.
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So, are we still not spoiling things? Because I just finished episode 7 and HOLY FUCK.
Julia Garner deserves an Emmy if only for her cursing ability.
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Unbelievable tension in that last episode. I had no idea that was just part 1 and we have to wait now for part 2.
Need it now, right now!! ;D
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Unbelievable tension in that last episode. I had no idea that was just part 1 and we have to wait now for part 2.
Need it now, right now!! ;D
Same...for a second I thought they really ended the show like that and was fucking furious. :lol
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So, are we still not spoiling things? Because I just finished episode 7 and HOLY FUCK.
Julia Garner deserves an Emmy if only for her cursing ability.
If she doesn't get the Emmy, they'll have to fucking KILL UUUUUUUSSSS!!!!!!!!
She's amazing.
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There is more to that PI than meets the eye, mark my words. He is not there just to get a signature. Did Navarro hire him to watch the Byrdes? Did Marty hire him for unknown-as-of-yet reasons? So many possibilities, but I have to think that guy will play a large role at some point.
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There is more to that PI than meets the eye, mark my words. He is not there just to get a signature. Did Navarro hire him to watch the Byrdes? Did Marty hire him for unknown-as-of-yet reasons? So many possibilities, but I have to think that guy will play a large role at some point.
Absolutely, and I'd put any amount of money that he's the reason it all unravels in the eventual end.
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There is more to that PI than meets the eye, mark my words. He is not there just to get a signature. Did Navarro hire him to watch the Byrdes? Did Marty hire him for unknown-as-of-yet reasons? So many possibilities, but I have to think that guy will play a large role at some point.
Absolutely, and I'd put any amount of money that he's the reason it all unravels in the eventual end.
Yep, I could see that happening.
And as incredible as Julia Garner has been, we need to give mad love as well to Jason Bateman and Laura Linney, both of whom continue to hit it out of the park as well. I've thought Linney was outstanding since seeing her in Primal Fear in the mid 90s, and Bateman is showing that he is not just a comedic actor.
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There is more to that PI than meets the eye, mark my words. He is not there just to get a signature. Did Navarro hire him to watch the Byrdes? Did Marty hire him for unknown-as-of-yet reasons? So many possibilities, but I have to think that guy will play a large role at some point.
Absolutely, and I'd put any amount of money that he's the reason it all unravels in the eventual end.
Yep, I could see that happening.
And as incredible as Julia Garner has been, we need to give mad love as well to Jason Bateman and Laura Linney, both of whom continue to hit it out of the park as well. I've thought Linney was outstanding since seeing her in Primal Fear in the mid 90s, and Bateman is showing that he is not just a comedic actor.
We watched episode 3 of the new season last night and I could not agree with you more. In the earlier days, I was all about Garner and Bateman but as the show progresses, Laura Linney is the most compelling actor for me to watch on the screen. She says so much with a mere change in her facial expression. It is uncanny.
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Ruth is on the warpath! Great show and really looking forward to the final episodes.
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Ozark 2nd part of the final season to premiere April 29
https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1496530295176130561?t=yAld1ApdA1wMeb1Icuc_iA&s=01
Was thinking it would be a longer wait but two months is not bad.
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Great news! I remember reading it was out in July, but glad we get it sooner.
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Ozark 2nd part of the final season to premiere April 29
https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1496530295176130561?t=yAld1ApdA1wMeb1Icuc_iA&s=01
Was thinking it would be a longer wait but two months is not bad.
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Trailer for the second half of the final season is out. Looks great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFmy5lXoEfU
Bring it on. :metal :metal
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Aw yeah
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It's out folks, final few episodes of the show. Should be able to catch up during the weekend.
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Watching the first new episode now. My expectations are high - I really hope they finish the show well..
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Loved all of the Illmatic songs and references in episode 8.
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Episode 8 was fantastic, things are going the usual bonkers. On episode 10, will probably wrap up tomorrow night.
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I'm on 10 right now...and it continues to be perfect.
Just when I thought Ruth couldn't get any better...just give her the lifetime Emmy already.
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I gotta go to bed. Three episodes to go…..this is great. All I can say is I’m full bore hating Wendy at this point.
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I will savor this. One episode per day, and I won't even be able to follow through 'cause next week I will have three concerts :metal
Watched the FIRST episode of the new batch. Didn't expect that ending!
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Wow a lot to take in with that series finale. Won't delve into much right now. But only thing I wished was that it could've been a longer season. I enjoyed it and just wished there was more post finale episodes lol.
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On the last episode now...
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Ok...I'm done.
Not much to say other than the rest of you need to hurry the fuck up so we can talk about what I just watched.
Seriously. Now.
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Ok...I'm done.
Not much to say other than the rest of you need to hurry the fuck up so we can talk about what I just watched.
Seriously. Now.
Yep. Just finished up. Lots to unpack.
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Ok...I'm done.
Not much to say other than the rest of you need to hurry the fuck up so we can talk about what I just watched.
Seriously. Now.
Yep. Just finished up. Lots to unpack.
It's weird, cause I'm hesitant to even explain how I feel about it for fear of spoilers.
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Ok...I'm done.
Not much to say other than the rest of you need to hurry the fuck up so we can talk about what I just watched.
Seriously. Now.
Yep. Just finished up. Lots to unpack.
It's weird, cause I'm hesitant to even explain how I feel about it for fear of spoilers.
I have Exactly the same feeling.
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I'm three episodes in, four to go.
Guess I'll come back when I've seen them all, I wanna watch it one per day and I have three concerts this week so I'll probably avoid spoilers wherever I go on the internet.
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Got home from vacation and plowed through these last seven last night and this morning, and my reaction was...that's it?
Pretty disappointing, to be honest. The slate of seven started off great, but seemed to ran out of gas in the last few episodes. Damn.
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Got home from vacation and plowed through these last seven last night and this morning, and my reaction was...that's it?
Pretty disappointing, to be honest. The slate of seven started off great, but seemed to ran out of gas in the last few episodes. Damn.
I figure we could hold off until end of week with large font spoilers but I definitely wanted to talk about a couple things:
Totally agree Kev. I thought the same thing.....is that it? Like, seriously? I dug the series as a whole but this second half of the final season was pretty sub par. Plenty of time to tie up all the storylines but they were just so....boring.....compared to the entirety of the show.
My main complaint is that Wendy basically got away with being the largest contributor to nearly every problem Marty had. Her choices were selfish and horrible and undermined him at every turn. I think they got her and Ruth switched up....Ruth should have 'gotten away' with killing Javi and Wendy should have ultimately gotten killed for the culmination of her antics. Honestly, that's my main gripe is that. Ruth deserved better and Wendy didn't deserve any of what she ended up with. I'm sure that's what the show wanted to convey but it missed the mark for me.
All in all I'd recommend the show to anyone as it's really good....but was pretty underwhelmed with how they tied it all up. And, I'm not sure they did tie it up. There could easily be more episodes/seasons. Nothing is concretely decided there. Anyway.....that's my quick rant between meetings...
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Got home from vacation and plowed through these last seven last night and this morning, and my reaction was...that's it?
Pretty disappointing, to be honest. The slate of seven started off great, but seemed to ran out of gas in the last few episodes. Damn.
I figure we could hold off until end of week with large font spoilers but I definitely wanted to talk about a couple things:
Totally agree Kev. I thought the same thing.....is that it? Like, seriously? I dug the series as a whole but this second half of the final season was pretty sub par. Plenty of time to tie up all the storylines but they were just so....boring.....compared to the entirety of the show.
My main complaint is that Wendy basically got away with being the largest contributor to nearly every problem Marty had. Her choices were selfish and horrible and undermined him at every turn. I think they got her and Ruth switched up....Ruth should have 'gotten away' with killing Javi and Wendy should have ultimately gotten killed for the culmination of her antics. Honestly, that's my main gripe is that. Ruth deserved better and Wendy didn't deserve any of what she ended up with. I'm sure that's what the show wanted to convey but it missed the mark for me.
All in all I'd recommend the show to anyone as it's really good....but was pretty underwhelmed with how they tied it all up. And, I'm not sure they did tie it up. There could easily be more episodes/seasons. Nothing is concretely decided there. Anyway.....that's my quick rant between meetings...
I am with ya! Wendy never getting held accountable for her actions was a bad decision, and the way Ruth's arc played out I did not like at all. I get that not every show is going to go the Breaking Bad route of wrapping everything up in a bow and making sure everyone gets what they deserve, but this just doesn't stick to landing.
And let's not forget the flash forward with the car accident that we first saw a few months ago at the start of the season, an accident that ultimately meant absolutely nothing. A family of four somehow managed to get in a horrific car accident and all walk away and go on with their days like nothing had just happened. It was at that point when I realized, "We are not getting a good ending."
Also, I get it: people do bad things in real life and get away with it, like the Byrdes did, but it's a TV show. Did we really need a reminder that, "Hey, sometimes people can get involved with the cartel, kill people, make a lot of money, get away with it all, and get a lot of power?"
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D'oh.
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agree on all points with you Kev
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Got home from vacation and plowed through these last seven last night and this morning, and my reaction was...that's it?
Pretty disappointing, to be honest. The slate of seven started off great, but seemed to ran out of gas in the last few episodes. Damn.
I figure we could hold off until end of week with large font spoilers but I definitely wanted to talk about a couple things:
Totally agree Kev. I thought the same thing.....is that it? Like, seriously? I dug the series as a whole but this second half of the final season was pretty sub par. Plenty of time to tie up all the storylines but they were just so....boring.....compared to the entirety of the show.
My main complaint is that Wendy basically got away with being the largest contributor to nearly every problem Marty had. Her choices were selfish and horrible and undermined him at every turn. I think they got her and Ruth switched up....Ruth should have 'gotten away' with killing Javi and Wendy should have ultimately gotten killed for the culmination of her antics. Honestly, that's my main gripe is that. Ruth deserved better and Wendy didn't deserve any of what she ended up with. I'm sure that's what the show wanted to convey but it missed the mark for me.
All in all I'd recommend the show to anyone as it's really good....but was pretty underwhelmed with how they tied it all up. And, I'm not sure they did tie it up. There could easily be more episodes/seasons. Nothing is concretely decided there. Anyway.....that's my quick rant between meetings...
I am with ya! Wendy never getting held accountable for her actions was a bad decision, and the way Ruth's arc played out I did not like at all. I get that not every show is going to go the Breaking Bad route of wrapping everything up in a bow and making sure everyone gets what they deserve, but this just doesn't stick to landing.
And let's not forget the flash forward with the car accident that we first saw a few months ago at the start of the season, an accident that ultimately meant absolutely nothing. A family of four somehow managed to get in a horrific car accident and all walk away and go on with their days like nothing had just happened. It was at that point when I realized, "We are not getting a good ending."
Also, I get it: people do bad things in real life and get away with it, like the Byrdes did, but it's a TV show. Did we really need a reminder that, "Hey, sometimes people can get involved with the cartel, kill people, make a lot of money, get away with it all, and get a lot of power?"
Oh man....don't get me going on the car accident. In the initial moments afterwards when Wendy wasn't responding I thought to myself that was 'fitting' as she basically received a karmic kind of judgment and that'd free up Marty to then get him and the kids 'out' of it all with a well thought out plan. But when she started moving I thought "you've got to be shittin' me?" The magnitude of that accident and not one of them being unconscious or hurt? Was pretty unbelievable. I know it's a show but still....that was poor judgment for them all to just show up via a cab at home in the next scene.
They could have easily let Ruth live and go about the direction they'd set before her......and should have given Wendy a much, much more brutal ending as she rightfully deserved. In fact, now that I'm talking and thinking about it more I'm getting a bit more ticked off at how they chose to wrap that show up. It just doesn't jive with how the show 'felt' for the better part of the run of the series.
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My feelings exactly Gary.... they just did Ruth hella wrong man... To have that redemption arc cut off like that, just fucked up man...
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Oh man....don't get me going on the car accident. In the initial moments afterwards when Wendy wasn't responding I thought to myself that was 'fitting' as she basically received a karmic kind of judgment and that'd free up Marty to then get him and the kids 'out' of it all with a well thought out plan. But when she started moving I thought "you've got to be shittin' me?" The magnitude of that accident and not one of them being unconscious or hurt? Was pretty unbelievable. I know it's a show but still....that was poor judgment for them all to just show up via a cab at home in the next scene.
They could have easily let Ruth live and go about the direction they'd set before her......and should have given Wendy a much, much more brutal ending as she rightfully deserved. In fact, now that I'm talking and thinking about it more I'm getting a bit more ticked off at how they chose to wrap that show up. It just doesn't jive with how the show 'felt' for the better part of the run of the series.
The car accident resulting to nothing made the flash forward come off like a cheap tactic.
Remember the flash forwards in Breaking Bad when we saw Walt getting the machine gun or retrieving the ricin from the abandoned White house? Those both meant a lot towards the storyline. This car accident thing felt them trying to do a Breaking Bad thing, but ultimately failing miserably in its execution.
I guess the point with Ruth was that "you cannot change who you are," but I think her not going back and killing Javi after first being unable to in Chicago and then changing the trajectory of her life was the way they'd go. Once she was able to go kill him, her fate at that point felt almost inevitable.
I also don't think it helped introducing Navarro's sister this late in the game, as the main antagonist of the final episodes then became someone not only new to us, but someone we were still getting to know.
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Oh man....don't get me going on the car accident. In the initial moments afterwards when Wendy wasn't responding I thought to myself that was 'fitting' as she basically received a karmic kind of judgment and that'd free up Marty to then get him and the kids 'out' of it all with a well thought out plan. But when she started moving I thought "you've got to be shittin' me?" The magnitude of that accident and not one of them being unconscious or hurt? Was pretty unbelievable. I know it's a show but still....that was poor judgment for them all to just show up via a cab at home in the next scene.
They could have easily let Ruth live and go about the direction they'd set before her......and should have given Wendy a much, much more brutal ending as she rightfully deserved. In fact, now that I'm talking and thinking about it more I'm getting a bit more ticked off at how they chose to wrap that show up. It just doesn't jive with how the show 'felt' for the better part of the run of the series.
The car accident resulting to nothing made the flash forward come off like a cheap tactic.
Remember the flash forwards in Breaking Bad when we saw Walt getting the machine gun or retrieving the ricin from the abandoned White house? Those both meant a lot towards the storyline. This car accident thing felt them trying to do a Breaking Bad thing, but ultimately failing miserably in its execution.
I guess the point with Ruth was that "you cannot change who you are," but I think her not going back and killing Javi after first being unable to in Chicago and then changing the trajectory of her life was the way they'd go. Once she was able to go kill him, her fate at that point felt almost inevitable.
I also don't think it helped introducing Navarro's sister this late in the game, as the main antagonist of the final episodes then became someone not only new to us, but someone we were still getting to know.
Kev...100% agree that it just didn't feel authentic introducing Navarro's sister so late in the story and setting her up to be the heir and master mind that she was with zero groundwork being laid out beforehand. It felt like a shortcut to a reason to kill Ruth for the shock value of killing Ruth.
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Oh man....don't get me going on the car accident. In the initial moments afterwards when Wendy wasn't responding I thought to myself that was 'fitting' as she basically received a karmic kind of judgment and that'd free up Marty to then get him and the kids 'out' of it all with a well thought out plan. But when she started moving I thought "you've got to be shittin' me?" The magnitude of that accident and not one of them being unconscious or hurt? Was pretty unbelievable. I know it's a show but still....that was poor judgment for them all to just show up via a cab at home in the next scene.
They could have easily let Ruth live and go about the direction they'd set before her......and should have given Wendy a much, much more brutal ending as she rightfully deserved. In fact, now that I'm talking and thinking about it more I'm getting a bit more ticked off at how they chose to wrap that show up. It just doesn't jive with how the show 'felt' for the better part of the run of the series.
The car accident resulting to nothing made the flash forward come off like a cheap tactic.
Remember the flash forwards in Breaking Bad when we saw Walt getting the machine gun or retrieving the ricin from the abandoned White house? Those both meant a lot towards the storyline. This car accident thing felt them trying to do a Breaking Bad thing, but ultimately failing miserably in its execution.
I guess the point with Ruth was that "you cannot change who you are," but I think her not going back and killing Javi after first being unable to in Chicago and then changing the trajectory of her life was the way they'd go. Once she was able to go kill him, her fate at that point felt almost inevitable.
I also don't think it helped introducing Navarro's sister this late in the game, as the main antagonist of the final episodes then became someone not only new to us, but someone we were still getting to know.
Kev...100% agree that it just didn't feel authentic introducing Navarro's sister so late in the story and setting her up to be the heir and master mind that she was with zero groundwork being laid out beforehand. It felt like a shortcut to a reason to kill Ruth for the shock value of killing Ruth.
STOP READING MY MIND GUYS!!!!
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Or, the reaction of many to the Ozark finale.
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Yeah, I'm suffering from the same disappointment. Not LOST or Dexter levels of disappointment, but still not great at all for what was otherwise a really great show.
I agree on the car crash. That should have been the end for either Marty or Wendy, and probably Wendy would have made the most sense. It was a perfect opportunity for one of the show's trademark shocker moments, but ultimately it didn't mean very much at all.
I didn't like Wendy checking herself into the mental health facility, and seemingly checking out about 10 minutes later. That portion was just bizarre, and seemed to serve no purpose other than to show that mental health problems run in the family.
Grandpa / John Boy. I think a better option would be for Ruth to have tricked him into drinking too much and then winding him up to the point of hitting her, just as the kids walked in. That would have echoed what Wendy said about her own upbringing, and would have let the kids see him for what he really was. Just pointing a gun at him and threatening him seemed a bit too simplistic.
I don't think Ruth should have died, considering she was the one with the upward trajectory, having her criminal record expunged etc. She was my favourite character on the show and I think she deserved better.
Camilla didn't really get enough screen time for me to care what happened to her either way.
I can imagine a scenario where Wendy dies in the car crash, then Marty, consumed by grief, literally turns to the dark side. He works out a deal with the FBI to get Navarro killed during the prison transfer, then finds a way to pin it on Camilla, getting the cartel to get rid of her, and takes over as the head of the cartel himself.
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Yeah, I'm suffering from the same disappointment. Not LOST or Dexter levels of disappointment, but still not great at all for what was otherwise a really great show.
I agree on the car crash. That should have been the end for either Marty or Wendy, and probably Wendy would have made the most sense. It was a perfect opportunity for one of the show's trademark shocker moments, but ultimately it didn't mean very much at all.
I didn't like Wendy checking herself into the mental health facility, and seemingly checking out about 10 minutes later. That portion was just bizarre, and seemed to serve no purpose other than to show that mental health problems run in the family.
Grandpa / John Boy. I think a better option would be for Ruth to have tricked him into drinking too much and then winding him up to the point of hitting her, just as the kids walked in. That would have echoed what Wendy said about her own upbringing, and would have let the kids see him for what he really was. Just pointing a gun at him and threatening him seemed a bit too simplistic.
I don't think Ruth should have died, considering she was the one with the upward trajectory, having her criminal record expunged etc. She was my favourite character on the show and I think she deserved better.
Camilla didn't really get enough screen time for me to care what happened to her either way.
I'm on board with all of that for sure. I think there are a LOT of people that are thinking the exact type of thoughts concerning how they wrapped up this otherwise well done and great series.
I can imagine a scenario where Wendy dies in the car crash, then Marty, consumed by grief, literally turns to the dark side. He works out a deal with the FBI to get Navarro killed during the prison transfer, then finds a way to pin it on Camilla, getting the cartel to get rid of her, and takes over as the head of the cartel himself.
I think that'd have been 10x better than what we got.....but I'd alter it a bit to where Marty wasn't the head of the Cartel....he just continued to do what he was doing for them because with Wendy out of the picture 99.99% if the drama and problems they faced would have vanished. I'd have had Marty and Ruth end up together running the casino and by together I mean....together together.
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Like a-kissin and a-huggin sorta thing? :o
I think Marty definitely had feelings for Ruth, but I’m not convinced the feeling was mutual.
One other thought for now - Charlotte didn’t really have anything to do in this second half of the final season. I think they ran out of ideas for her character.
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Well, the writing was never this show's biggest strength. The acting, directing and cinematography were all always top notch, but the writing varied from sometimes great to often very good to occasionally not very good.
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I must confess I'm let down too. For such a great series, where (as Kev brilliantly saved) the strenghts of the show made you forgive and forget the occasional cheap and convenient plot points, the ending was a bit meh. Not Dexter or Game of Thrones meh, but not up to par with the rest of the show.
I agree also with the comparison of the flash forward of Walt getting the gun machine at the beginning of Season 5 of Breaking Bad, and the car crash scene, but here's the major difference: with Breaking Bad, you knew things would go sideways. You'd watch Walt occasionally enjoying life and think "man, how can it go wrong?". The car crash at the beginning of season 4 did the exact opposite, it told you that everything would be fine and the family, at a certain point, would be happy, alive and together.
OMG, this stuff is happening, what if one of the family dies since it's the final season? ...they won't, they'll be alive until at least the car crash.
OMG, will Wendy lose her kids? ... no, she won't, they'll be together, and even if she loses them, they will come back.
The car crash stole all the tension from the show, and when it finally happens.... everyone survives? that's it?
I get that it was a way to show that the family realized that they had to stick together, and that's why they accepted Ruth's fate without trying to meddle any further, 'cause they "had" to get out at all costs, but it was rushed. Maybe if we had more time and more episodes... maybe if we could have seen the aftermath a bit better, seeing the family devastated in realizing that yes, they got everything they wanted but they left death and destruction in their wake... it would have been a bittersweet ending, yeah, they get away with it but their life is emotionally ruined and they won't feel joy anymore.
Also Jonah's "turn to the dark side" is so sudden, he went from hating his family for what happened to Ben to kill someone to protect them? again, I get that the car crash was a wake up call to the importance of surviving and sticking together, but it was poorly executed.
And Ruth was this show's Jesse Pinkman and definitively deserved to make it out alive. Congratulations to Three who, by doing absolutely nothing, is now the richest Langmore ever in the Ozarks I guess.
It's a pity, I'm not angry, just a but underwhelmed. I really thought they had in them to finish as strong as they've always gone.
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I don't mind the breaking on tension at point k just because we know things are "this way" at point t.
To use Breaking Bad as an example (stop reading for anyone who has not seen that and plans to), remember when Jesse broken into Walt's house in the last season with the intention of burning it to the ground? Because we had seen in the flash forwards that the White house was intact many months later (when Walt returned with a full head of hair to get the ricin), the question then became, "What will stop Jesse from burning it down?" That kind of tension by knowing this, that and the other have to get to reach a plot point we have already been given a glimpe of can be brilliant when executed properly. Breaking Bad had that down to a science, pun intended. It felt Ozark tried to be clever with that kind of device, but failed miserably with the execution.
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I'm a bit surprised by many of the negative reactions to the ending, I actually really enjoyed it. There was a ton of tension leading up to who was actually going to die. Sure, Wendy should have but the actually ending is somewhat more fitting as Jonah has truly crossed over to the dark side and Wendy (off screen) will have to live with this.
The car crash - yeah I get the negativity towards this but it was a metaphor for the survival of the Byrds - they are invincible but in the end they kind of pay for it knowing that they will never escape. But it was probably unnecessary overall.
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I'm a bit surprised by many of the negative reactions to the ending, I actually really enjoyed it. There was a ton of tension leading up to who was actually going to die. Sure, Wendy should have but the actually ending is somewhat more fitting as Jonah has truly crossed over to the dark side and Wendy (off screen) will have to live with this.
The car crash - yeah I get the negativity towards this but it was a metaphor for the survival of the Byrds - they are invincible but in the end they kind of pay for it knowing that they will never escape. But it was probably unnecessary overall.
I still think it was a good series……pretty well done and for the most part had great writing and acting. But I’ll maintain that they didn’t stick the landing at all. Had a chance to get the 10/10 but ultimately landed at a 7/10 for me just because that final season……specifically the last seven episodes……were unfortunately the weakest of the series. Not the ideal way to end it.
The Ruth death IMO was more for shock value than actually fitting the story, and I get that she sealed her fate when she killed ol’ boy but even that was out of character for her because she’d become more crafty than just outright murder…..especially so blatant and unable to cover up.
I think they failed the story as well allowing Wendy to live or at minimum essentially get away with every horrid thing she did. She was the sole reason for the last 10 issues Marty had to bust his ass to fix…..it felt cheap just allowing her to go about her life after all that.
IMO the only ‘happy’ ending(s) should have involved Marty and Ruth…..Maybe not all sunshine and roses but to a point to where they both were free and clear of the cartel and left to their own devices.
I’m sure I’ll rewatch the series again some day because it was a good one….maybe my opinion will change but I don’t foresee that happening.
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I accept the general idea that the Byrdes get away with everything with the Langmores left to suffer. I just wish the whole situation would have sunk in better, Jonah spent every moment on screen since Ben's death hating his parents, and he ends the whole series killing to protect his family "just" because they survived together a car crash?
Also, part of the fun was seeing the Byrdes trying to keep up the facade of being respectable citizens. The show kinda lost me when everyone in the FBI was aware that the Byrdes were laundering money for the cartel, and they even freely conspired with them to decide who gets to be in charge and who dies (Navarro).
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I'm a bit surprised by many of the negative reactions to the ending, I actually really enjoyed it. There was a ton of tension leading up to who was actually going to die. Sure, Wendy should have but the actually ending is somewhat more fitting as Jonah has truly crossed over to the dark side and Wendy (off screen) will have to live with this.
I loved it as well, and I'm also a little mystified at some of the negative reaction. After all, one of the themes of the show is that people don't always (or hardly ever) get what they deserve. Ruth deserved to live and Wendy deserved to die; neither one got what they deserved.
I thought it was great.