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Title: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 10, 2017, 10:48:57 AM
Haken: The League 2017

For four years, I ran DT: The League. After taking a break from this, I found myself wanting to try the format with a different band. At the same time, I have been getting more and more into Haken and find them to be the perfect band to move forward with.

Haken is incredible. It is no secret that the band is beloved by many here at DTF, so Iím hoping that Hakenís fans participate, and that folks who havenít given them a chance, do so at once.

The 36 songs from their 4 albums and EP will be featured. Each song will have a schedule of head to head matchups with 15 other songs. We will vote for our favorites!

At the end of the 15 round season, there will be album tournaments and then a Championship tournament featuring the top 16 Haken songs to crown the league championship.

Tentative start date of Monday, May 15th. This will wrap up in time for Elite to continue his long running run of Haken survivors.

If there are any questions or comments, please let me know.

This thread will be used for all updates.


Final Standings Tiebreakers (After album tournaments).

1. Head to head record.
2. Winning Percentage against common opponents.
3. Strength of Victory.
4. Strength of Schedule.
5. Point differential.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on May 10, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
Definitely gonna participate in this. Since Haken don't have as many songs maybe I won't be as lazy and actually will vote in this league.  :tup
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Evermind on May 10, 2017, 11:05:58 AM
I may miss the first few rounds due to a business trip I've got scheduled, but otherwise I'm in!
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: krands85 on May 10, 2017, 11:25:26 AM
*THUMB UP SMILIE* - can't post that due to the stupid 403 errors.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: LordCost on May 10, 2017, 11:58:24 AM
I have stopped listening to Haken, it seems I'm tired of listening to any of their songs, but they were almost my favourite band. I will relisten and participate :tup
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on May 10, 2017, 01:45:42 PM
What about the demos though
What about the bonus tracks
(I don't actually care about these)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on May 10, 2017, 02:28:40 PM
Fantastic! :caffeine: I'm definitely in!
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 10, 2017, 02:30:07 PM
What about the demos though
What about the bonus tracks
(I don't actually care about these)

The demos attract barely any people in the Survivor format, so entering them would be pointless. The bonus tracks are basically inferior versions of the actual album tracks and as such it doesn't make too much sense to include them either.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: BlackInk on May 10, 2017, 02:49:35 PM
Oh I am so in.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on May 10, 2017, 03:44:35 PM
What about the demos though
What about the bonus tracks
(I don't actually care about these)

The demos attract barely any people in the Survivor format, so entering them would be pointless. The bonus tracks are basically inferior versions of the actual album tracks and as such it doesn't make too much sense to include them either.

Nobody is amazing though. I might even like it more than Somebody, and that's my 2nd favourite from The Mountain.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on May 10, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
Excellent idea!.. I'm in.. :metal
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 11, 2017, 06:29:48 AM
I'd like to keep it at an even number of songs. I could add Nobody  and remove affinity.exe.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 11, 2017, 06:56:04 AM
affinity.exe is a pretty pointless inclusion indeed
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on May 11, 2017, 09:07:51 AM
Yeah, no point in including affinity.exe, unless you tag it on to Initiate ("affinity.exe/Initiate").
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on May 11, 2017, 09:42:18 AM
i'd rather you include something like souls from the demos than the bonus tracks tbh  :lol
i think souls was the one that got 3rd place in the survivor last year at least, probably
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 11, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
The demos results have had Snow and Blind as #1 and #2 respectively every year. Souls finished 3rd the first year, 4th the second (behind Sleeping Thoughts Wake) and ended in a tie with STW last year.

If you desperately want to include something from the demos Souls would therefore probably be the best choice, because Snow and Blind have been redone on Restoration.

I would personally leave out the demos, because they attracted 5 voters at most when I did the Survivors. Many people don't know the demos well enough or haven't heard them. This is also what I advised to DoC.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Evermind on May 11, 2017, 10:40:37 AM
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on May 11, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

This sentence does not make any sense.. :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on May 11, 2017, 12:35:27 PM
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

This sentence does not make any sense.. :lol

I know nobody is a valid english sentence even if it's not talking about a song that is called "Nobody".
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on May 11, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
Yep, I don't know Souls or any of the demos at all, but I do know Nobody.

This sentence does not make any sense.. :lol

I know nobody is a valid english sentence even if it's not talking about a song that is called "Nobody".

I meant the whole sentence, not just the phrase I bolded.. He's like saying "I don't know X and I don't know Y... but I know nobody.."

Anyways, nevermind..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on May 11, 2017, 04:14:45 PM
I never listen to the bonus tracks on the mountain personally so I would always vote against them tbh
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on May 11, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
I never listen to the bonus tracks on the mountain personally so I would always vote against them tbh

You say this anytime someone mentions any bonus tracks.  :lol

which is a shame cause Elf Tower New Mexico is a top 3 song on SSTB
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on May 11, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
Bonus tracks are a bad concept

In the modern age just post the bonus songs online for free and keep them off your discs p l e a s e
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on May 11, 2017, 05:58:59 PM
Isn't it a thing that's done mainly for Japan releases cause the people there feel entitled to extra stuff or something?
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 12, 2017, 02:49:38 AM
Bonus tracks are a bad concept

Especially on remasters and rereleases. Yuck.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on May 12, 2017, 03:25:04 AM
Bonus tracks are a bad concept

In the modern age just post the bonus songs online for free and keep them off your discs p l e a s e

This. The Album, as a work of art, is *that* group of tracks in *that* order. Nothing added, nothing taken away. It's like you don't add bonus colours to a painting or bonus movements to a symphony. Those works of art are set, unchangeable. So it should be with albums, for better or for worse.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on May 12, 2017, 06:39:00 AM
I'm in, in principle. The challenge will be remembering to come into P/S, which I rarely do. :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 19, 2017, 04:57:44 AM
Stage 1-A Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50241.0
1.   The Point of No Return defeats In Memoriam 11-7
2.   Portals & Shapeshifter draw, 9-9
3.   Insomnia defeats The Mindís Eye 14-4
4.   Pereidolia defeats Deathless 12-6
5.   Celestial Elixir defeats Premonition 15-3
6.   Atlas Stone defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 13-5
 
Stage 1-B Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50247.0
1.       Cockroach King defeats Eternal Rain 12-5
2.       Because Itís There defeats Sun 10-7
3.       Drowning in the Flood defeats As Death Embraces 10-7
4.       Streams defeats Somebody 9-8
5.       Aquarium defeats The Path 15-2
6.       The Endless Knot defeats Initiate 9-8
 
Stage 1-C Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50252.0
1.       Earthlings defeats Nobody 11-6
2.       Crystallised defeats Lapse 13-5
3.       Red Giant defeats Darkest Light 13-5
4.       The Architect defeats Earthrise 15-4
5.       1985 defeats Bound by Gravity 12-6
6.     Falling Back to Earth defeats Visions 12-7



Standings after Stage 1(Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end).

1. Aquarium 1-0 (+13)
2. Celestial Elixir 1-0 (+12)
3. The Architect 1-0 (+11)
4. Insomnia 1-0 (+10)
5. Atlas Stone 1-0 (+8)
5. Crystallised 1-0 (+8)
5. Red Giant 1-0 (+8)
8. Cockroach King 1-0 (+7)
9. 1985 1-0 (+6)
9. Pareidolia 1-0 (+6)
11. Earthlings 1-0 (+5)
11. Falling Back to Earth 1-0 (+5)
13. The Point of No Return 1-0 (+4)
14. Because Itís There 1-0 (+3)
14. Drowning in the Flood 1-0 (+3)
16. The Endless Knot 1-0 (+1)
16. Streams 1-0 (+1)
18. Portals 0-0-1 (0)
18. Shapeshifter 0-0-1 (0)
20. Initiate 0-1 (-1)
20. Somebody 0-1 (-1)
22. As Death Embraces 0-1 (-3)
22. Sun 0-1 (-3)
24. In Memoriam 0-1 (-4)
25. Nobody 0-1 (-5)
25. Visions 0-1 (-5)
27. Bound by Gravity 0-1 (-6)
27. Deathless 0-1 (-6)
29. Eternal Rain 0-1 (-7)
30. Darkest Light 0-1 (-8)
31. Lapse 0-1 (-8)
31. Nocturnal Conspiracy 0-1 (-8)
33. The Mindís Eye 0-1 (-10)
34. Earthrise 0-1 (-11)
35. Premonition 0-1 (-12)
36. The Path 0-1 (-13)

Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 23, 2017, 03:55:06 PM
Stage 2 Results

Stage 2-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50265.0
1.   Atlas Stone defeats Insomnia 13-4
2.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Because Itís There 10-7
3.   1985 defeats Nobody 12-4
4.   Aquarium defeats Darkest Light 14-3
5.   Bound by Gravity defeats Earthrise 9-8
6.   Pareidolia defeats Shapeshifter 13-4

Stage 2-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50273.0
1.   The Point of No Return defeats Somebody 10-9
2.   Sun defeats The Path 13-4
3.   The Endless Knot defeats Lapse 14-6
4.   As Death Embraces defeats Eternal Rain 12-7
5.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Earthlings 13-7
6.   Crystallised defeats Streams 11-9

Stage 2-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50275.0
1.   In Memoriam defeats Deathless 11-9
2.   Visions defeats Cockroach King 11-10
3.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Premonition 18-2
4.   Portals defeats The Mindís Eye 13-6
5.   The Architect defeats Red Giant 15-6
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Initiate 17-4



Standings after Stage 2  (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end).

1. Celestial Elixir 2-0 (+25)
2. Aquarium 2-0 (+24)
3. Falling Back to Earth 2-0 (+21)
4. The Architect 2-0 (+20)
5. Atlas Stone 2-0 (+17)
6. Pareidolia 2-0 (+15)
7. 1985 2-0 (+14)
8. Crystallised 2-0 (+10)
9. Drowning in the Flood 2-0 (+9)
9. The Endless Knot 2-0 (+9)
11. The Point of No Return 2-0 (+5)
12. Portals 1-0-1 (+7)
13. Cockroach King 1-1 (+6)
13. Sun 1-1 (+6)
15. As Death Embraces 1-1 (+2)
16. Insomnia 1-1 (+1)
17. Because Itís There 1-1 (0)
18. Earthlings 1-1 (-1)
18. Red Giant 1-1 (-1)
18. Streams 1-1 (-1)
21. In Memoriam 1-1 (-2)
22. Bound by Gravity 1-1 (-4)
22. Visions 1-1 (-4)
24. Nocturnal Conspiracy 1-1 (-5)
25. Shapeshifter 0-1-1 (-9)
26. Somebody 0-2 (-2)
27. Deathless 0-2 (-8)
28. Earthrise 0-2 (-12)
28. Eternal Rain 0-2 (-12)
30. Nobody 0-2 (-13)
31. Initiate 0-2 (-14)
32. Lapse 0-2 (-16)
33. The Mindís Eye 0-2 (-17)
34. Darkest Light 0-2 (-19)
35. The Path 0-2 (-22)
36. Premonition 0-2 (-28)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 24, 2017, 01:45:00 AM
Not really any surprises in that top 10 so far, though I'm a little surprised at Deathless doing badly in the first two rounds.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: BlackInk on May 24, 2017, 03:55:32 AM
Surprised to see Portals in such a high spot. I imagine it will be knocked down a few pegs before this over, but still.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 24, 2017, 07:05:20 AM
I love Portals. I would personally put it at around that position as well. The first two matchup were fairly easy, I don't see it winning agaiinst the heavy hitters.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
Shame that the demo songs haven't been included, but their only bonus song (Nobody) has.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 24, 2017, 09:30:35 AM
I advised DoC against adding the demos (and he figured the same, even before I said anything), because when I ran the Survivor the last three years there were barely any people voting in the demo rounds (5 tops). Adding them here would be pointless, many people have never heard them.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2017, 09:43:14 AM
I advised DoC against adding the demos (and he figured the same, even before I said anything), because when I ran the Survivor the last three years there were barely any people voting in the demo rounds (5 tops). Adding them here would be pointless, many people have never heard them.
Pffffffffffffffffft.

Should have include The Guyver as well. Even though literally nobody will have heard except pretty much me and the band. In fact I doubt even some of the current line-up has even heard it. :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on May 24, 2017, 01:34:26 PM
Should have include The Guyver as well. Even though literally nobody will have heard except pretty much me and the band.

Wow.. The more you know I guess..

Couldn't find the song anywhere, but something tells me a deeper search it's not worth it.. :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: LordCost on May 24, 2017, 01:48:33 PM
I advised DoC against adding the demos (and he figured the same, even before I said anything), because when I ran the Survivor the last three years there were barely any people voting in the demo rounds (5 tops). Adding them here would be pointless, many people have never heard them.
Pffffffffffffffffft.

Should have include The Guyver as well. Even though literally nobody will have heard except pretty much me and the band. In fact I doubt even some of the current line-up has even heard it. :lol
I'm curious about that song now :laugh:
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on May 27, 2017, 08:21:30 AM
:lol It was an instrumental demo before Ray had even joined (can't remember the name of the guy who drummed for them at the time). So Hen is the only current member who played on it, as the rest of the band at the time was Matt, Pete and whoever the drummer was. The band never made it available in anyway so I don't think it's my position to do so. :P

It's alright, not the most original or exciting thing in the world but you can hear some of the seeds of their style.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: LordCost on May 27, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
Thank you for the info!
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 27, 2017, 06:14:31 PM
Stage 3 Results

Stage 3-A: http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50292.0
1.   Bound by Gravity defeats Nobody 17-4
2.   Cockroach King defeats The Mindís Eye 17-4
3.   Because Itís There defeats Premonition 16-5
4.   In Memoriam defeats Portals 15-6
5.   As Death Embraces & Shapeshifter draw, 10-10
6.   1985 defeats Point of No Return 14-8

Stage 3-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50294.0
1.   Visions defeats The Path 16-2
2.   Somebody & Insomnia draw, 9-9
3.   Deathless defeats Earthlings 12-6
4.   Darkest Light defeats Eternal Rain 10-8
5.   The Architect defeats Drowning in the Flood 12-6
6.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Atlas Stone 14-4

Stage 3-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50303.0
1.   The Endless Knot defeats Sun 14-8
2.   Earthrise & Streams draw, 11-11
3.   Red Giant defeats Lapse 14-6
4.   Crystallised defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 13-8
5.   Aquarium defeats Initiate 12-8
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Pareidolia 14-8


Standings after Stage 3  (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 3-0 (+31)
1. Falling Back to Earth 3-0 (+31)
3. Aquarium 3-0 (+28)
4. The Architect 3-0 (+26)
5. 1985 3-0 (+20)
6. Crystallised 3-0 (+15)
6. The Endless Knot 3-0 (+15)
8. Cockroach King 2-1 (+19)
9. Because Itís There 2-1 (+11)
10. Visions 2-1 (+10)
11. Bound by Gravity 2-1 (+9)
11. Pareidolia 2-1 (+9) 
13. Atlas Stone 2-1 (+7)
13. In Memoriam 2-1 (+7)
13. Red Giant 2-1 (+7)
16. Drowning in the Flood 2-1 (+3)
17. The Point of No Return 2-1 (-1)
18. As Death Embraces 1-1-1 (+2)
19. Insomnia 1-1-1 (+1)
20. Streams 1-1-1 (-1)
21. Portals 1-1-1 (-2)
22. Sun 1-2 (0)
23. Deathless 1-2 (-2) 
24. Earthlings 1-2 (-7)
25. Shapeshifter 0-1-2 (-9)
26. Nocturnal Conspiracy 1-2 (-10)
27. Darkest Light 1-2 (-17)
28. Somebody 0-2-1 (-2)
29. Earthrise 0-2-1 (-12)
30. Eternal Rain 0-3 (-14)
31. Initiate 0-3 (-18)
32. Lapse 0-3 (-24)
33. Nobody 0-3 (-26)
34. The Mindís Eye 0-3 (-30)
35. The Path 0-3 (-36)
36. Premonition 0-3 (-39)


Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 31, 2017, 03:00:45 PM
Stage 4-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50308.0
1.   Celestial Elixir defeats Deathless 13-4
2.   Insomnia defeats Eternal Rain 10-7
3.   Point of No Return defeats Shapeshifter 10-7
4.   Sun defeats Premonition 13-4
5.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Portals 13-4
6.   Visions defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 12-5

Stage 4-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50313.0
1.   Pareidolia defeats Nobody 20-0
2.   Atlas Stone defeats Lapse 14-6
3.   Streams defeats The Mindís Eye 19-1
4.   Bound by Gravity defeats In Memoriam 12-9
5.   The Architect defeats Somebody 15-5
6.   Cockroach King defeats Red Giant 11-9

Stage 4-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50317.0
1.   The Endless Knot defeats The Path 19-2
2.   Crystallised defeats Darkest Light 17-3
3.   1985 defeats Earthlings 16-4
4.   Earthrise defeats As Death Embraces 14-7
5.   Initiate defeats Because Itís There 12-8
6.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Aquarium 14-6



Standings after Stage 4 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 4-0 (+40)
2. Falling Back to Earth 4-0 (+39)
3. The Architect 4-0 (+36)
4. 1985 4-0 (+32)
4. The Endless Knot 4-0 (+32)
6. Crystallised 4-0 (+29)
7. Pareidolia 3-1 (+29)   
8. Cockroach King 3-1 (+21)
9. Aquarium 3-1 (+20)
10. Visions 3-1 (+17)
11. Atlas Stone 3-1 (+15)
12. Bound by Gravity 3-1 (+12)
12. Drowning in the Flood 3-1 (+12)
12. The Point of No Return 3-1 (+2)
15. Streams 2-1-1 (+17)
16. Insomnia 2-1-1 (+4)
17. Sun 2-2 (+9)
18. Because Itís There 2-2 (+7)
19. Red Giant 2-2 (+5)
20. In Memoriam 2-2 (+4)
21. As Death Embraces 1-2-1 (-5)
21. Earthrise 1-2-1 (-5)
23. Portals 1-2-1 (-11)
24. Deathless 1-3 (-11) 
25. Shapeshifter 0-2-2 (-12)
26. Initiate 1-3 (-14)
27. Nocturnal Conspiracy 1-3 (-17)
28. Earthlings 1-3 (-19)
29. Darkest Light 1-3 (-31)
30. Somebody 0-3-1 (-12
31. Eternal Rain 0-4 (-17)
32. Lapse 0-4 (-32)
33. Nobody 0-4 (-46)
34. The Mindís Eye 0-4 (-48)
35. Premonition 0-4 (-48)
36. The Path 0-4 (-53)

Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2017, 07:06:07 PM
I get why The Plan isn't doing well, since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs, but I feel that it is vastly underrated.  On its own, I think it is in the upper half (if I had to rank all of the songs in order).
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: volwrath on May 31, 2017, 07:25:10 PM
As long as you are talking about The Path, I agree :biggrin:
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on May 31, 2017, 10:51:08 PM
Wow, three of the Affinity songs are doing just great... great!.. :D

Shame that Initiate isn't getting the same love.. It should be up there too...
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on May 31, 2017, 11:57:34 PM
since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs

This is not really a problem for me; in the past rounds I have voted basically everything over Visions and Crystallised for instance. I do like The Path, and as an introduction to the album it works remarkably well. However, as a standalone song, it doesn't do a whole lot.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on June 01, 2017, 12:47:32 AM
Just saying, I really like that you're including "vote differential" here.  :tup
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on June 01, 2017, 04:36:52 AM
since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs
Given that length =/= quality, it's perfectly easy to vote for shorter songs over longer ones. I always feel a bit disappointed that the top songs always end up being the longest ones.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on June 01, 2017, 06:40:55 AM
Exactly my point. Crystallised and Visions are both lower tier Haken songs, as far as I'm concerned. They have plenty of strong short tracks.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 01, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
Any objections to extending the regular season from 15 to 20 matches? This is going by ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on June 01, 2017, 07:50:23 AM
Any objections to extending the regular season from 15 to 20 matches? This is going by ahead of schedule.

Not at all. Atleast we get a more fair ranking this way.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on June 01, 2017, 10:01:37 AM
^that
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on June 01, 2017, 11:39:37 AM
Hooray! I'm enjoying this, so I'm cool with it being extended.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on June 01, 2017, 11:41:14 AM
Exactly my point. Crystallised and Visions are both lower tier Haken songs, as far as I'm concerned. They have plenty of strong short tracks.

"As far as [you're] concerned" being the clincher there. I for one happen to think they're among Haken's best.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on June 01, 2017, 12:44:35 PM
Any objections to extending the regular season from 15 to 20 matches? This is going by ahead of schedule.

Not at all. Atleast we get a more fair ranking this way.
Agreed, I'd actually support extending it even further.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: BlackInk on June 02, 2017, 12:21:10 AM
I like this game, I don't mind it running longer.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on June 02, 2017, 01:59:50 AM
Exactly my point. Crystallised and Visions are both lower tier Haken songs, as far as I'm concerned. They have plenty of strong short tracks.

"As far as [you're] concerned" being the clincher there.

But it being a response to Kev's "since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs" makes it a legitimate addition to the discussion. I for one do not believe it's hard to vote short songs over longer ones, which I illustrated by mentioning that I could easliy choose a shorter song over those two tracks.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2017, 06:58:09 AM
Any objections to extending the regular season from 15 to 20 matches? This is going by ahead of schedule.

Do it. :tup :tup

As long as you are talking about The Path, I agree :biggrin:

Damn it. :facepalm: :lol

since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs
Given that length =/= quality, it's perfectly easy to vote for shorter songs over longer ones. I always feel a bit disappointed that the top songs always end up being the longest ones.

I should have said it is hard for some. ;)

That said, Haken has a lot more long songs than short ones, and most of their best ones are long, IMO, so I have no problem with it this instance.  I just think The Path should be doing better.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Stage 5 Results

Stage 5-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50331.0
1.   The Path & Portals draw, 10-10
2.   Streams defeats Lapse 15-5
3.   Somebody defeats The Mindís Eye 17-3
4.   Crystallised defeats Shapeshifter 14-7
5.   The Architect defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 17-4
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Cockroach King 15-6

Stage 5-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50333.0
1.   Earthlings defeats Premonition 13-7
2.   Aquarium defeats Nobody 14-5
3.   Insomnia defeat Darkest Light 10-8
4.   Deathless defeats The Endless Knot 11-9
5.   Atlas Stone defeats In Memoriam 12-8
6.   Pareidolia defeats Because Itís There 16-3

Stage 5-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50340.0
1.   Earthrise defeats Eternal Rain 13-6
2.   Sun defeats Bound by Gravity 10-9
3.   Falling Back to Earth defeats As Death Embraces 18-1
4.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Red Giant 11-7
5.   Initiate defeats The Point of No Return 10-9
6.   Visions defeats 1985 10-9


Standings after Stage 5 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 5-0 (+56)
2. The Architect 5-0 (+49)
2. Celestial Elixir 5-0 (+49)
4. Crystallised 5-0 (+36) 
5. Pareidolia 4-1 (+42)   
6. 1985 4-1 (+31)
7. The Endless Knot 4-1 (+30)
8. Aquarium 4-1 (+29)
9. Atlas Stone 4-1 (+19)
10. Visions 4-1 (+18) 
11. Drowning in the Flood 4-1 (+16)
12. Streams 3-1-1 (+27)
13. Insomnia 3-1-1 (+6) 
14. Cockroach King 3-2 (+12)
15. Bound by Gravity 3-2 (+11)
16. Sun 3-2 (+10) 
17. The Point of No Return 3-2 (+1)
18. Earthrise 2-2-1 (+2)
19. Red Giant 2-3 (+1)
20. In Memoriam 2-3 (0) 
21. Because Itís There 2-3 (-6)
22. Deathless 2-3 (-9) 
23. Portals 1-2-2 (-11)
24. Earthlings 2-3 (-13)
25. Initiate 2-3 (-13)
26. As Death Embraces 1-3-1 (-22)
27. Somebody 1-3-1 (+2) 
28. Shapeshifter 0-3-2 (-19)
29. Nocturnal Conspiracy 1-4 (-30)
30. Darkest Light 1-4 (-33)
31. The Path 0-4-1 (-53)
32. Eternal Rain 0-5 (-24)
33. Lapse 0-5 (-42)
34. Premonition 0-5 (-54)
35. Nobody 0-5 (-55)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-5 (-62)

Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on June 04, 2017, 05:14:18 PM
Lapse's ranking is a huge fail so far.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on June 05, 2017, 06:13:13 PM
The two songs that are actually my two favs are 1 and 2?.. Can't believe my eyes...
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 08, 2017, 02:20:39 PM
Week 6 Results

Week 6-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50344.0
1.   The Architect defeats Nobody 20-1
2.   The Point of No Return defeats Earthlings 14-7
3.   Pareidolia defeats Portals 17-4
4.   Deathless defeats As Death Embraces 12-8
5.   Initiate defeats Red Giant 11-10
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Bound by Gravity 17-4

Week 6-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50349.0
1.   Eternal Rain defeats The Path 11-9
2.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Darkest Light 14-5
3.   Crystallised defeats Sun 10-9
4.   Earthrise defeats Lapse 13-6
5.   Somebody defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 10-9
6.   1985 defeats Streams 10-9

Week 6-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50352.0
1.   Atlas Stone defeats Premonition 17-4
2.   In Memoriam defeats Insomnia 15-6
3.   Cockroach King defeats Shapeshifter 12-9
4.   Falling Back to Earth defeats The Mindís Eye 20-1
5.   Visions & Because Itís There draw 10-10
6.   Aquarium defeats The Endless Knot 11-10


Standings after Stage 6 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 6-0 (+75)
2. The Architect 6-0 (+68)
3. Celestial Elixir 6-0 (+62)
4. Crystallised 6-0 (+37) 
5. Pareidolia 5-1 (+55)   
6. 1985 5-1 (+32)
6. Atlas Stone 5-1 (+32) 
8. Aquarium 5-1 (+30) 
9. Drowning in the Flood 5-1 (+25)
10. Visions 4-1-1 (+18) 
11. The Endless Knot 4-2 (+29)
12. Cockroach King 4-2 (+15)
13. The Point of No Return 4-2 (+8)
14. Streams 3-2-1 (+26)
15. Earthrise 3-2-1 (+9)
16. Insomnia 3-2-1 (-3) 
17. In Memoriam 3-3 (+9)   
17. Sun 3-3 (+9) 
19. Bound by Gravity 3-3 (-2) 
20. Deathless 3-3 (-5)   
21. Initiate 3-3 (-12) 
22. Somebody 2-3-1 (+3)   
23. Because Itís There 2-3-1 (-6)
24. Red Giant 2-4 (0)
25. Earthlings 2-4 (-20) 
26. Portals 1-3-2 (-24)
27. As Death Embraces 1-4-1 (-26)
28. Eternal Rain 1-5 (-22) 
28. Shapeshifter 0-4-2 (-22)
30. Nocturnal Conspiracy 1-5 (-31)
31. Darkest Light 1-5 (-42)
32. The Path 0-5-1 (-55)
33. Lapse 0-6 (-49)
34. Premonition 0-6 (-67)
35. Nobody 0-6 (-74)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-6 (-81)

Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 13, 2017, 02:23:41 PM
Stage 7 Results

Stage 7-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50364.0
1.   Premonition defeats Nobody 13-6
2.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats The Point of No Return 10-9
3.   Celestial Elixir defeats Eternal Rain 19-1
4.   Streams defeats Insomnia 13-5
5.   Aquarium defeats Shapeshifter 14-5
6.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Bound by Gravity 17-3

Stage 7-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50369.0
1.   Earthlings defeats The Path 13-8
2.   Lapse defeats Portals 14-7
3.   As Death Embraces defeats Darkest Light 13-7
4.   Red Giant defeats The Mindís Eye 17-4
5.   Pareidolia defeats Initiate 15-6
6.   Visions defeats Drowning in the Flood 12-9

Stage 7-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50373.0
1.   Sun defeats Deathless 11-10
2.   Atlas Stone defeats Earthrise 13-9
3.   The Endless Knot defeats In Memoriam 15-7
4.   Somebody & Crystallised  draw, 11-11
5.   1985 defeats Because Itís There 16-6
6.   The Architect defeats Cockroach King 14-7



Standings after Stage 7 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 7-0 (+89)
2. Celestial Elixir 7-0 (+80)
3. The Architect 7-0 (+75)
4. Crystallised 6-0-1 (+37) 
5. Pareidolia 6-1 (+64)   
6. 1985 6-1 (+42)
7. Aquarium 6-1 (+39)   
8. Atlas Stone 6-1 (+36) 
9. Visions 5-1-1 (+21)   
10. The Endless Knot 5-2 (+37) 
11. Drowning in the Flood 5-2 (+22)
12. Streams 4-2-1 (+34) 
13. Sun 4-3 (+10)   
14. Cockroach King 4-3 (+8)
15. The Point of No Return 4-3 (+7)
16. Earthrise 3-3-1 (+5)
17. Insomnia 3-3-1 (-11) 
18. Red Giant 3-4 (+13) 
19. Somebody 2-3-2 (+3)   
20. In Memoriam 3-4 (+1)   
21. Deathless 3-4 (-6)   
22. Earthlings 3-4 (-15)   
23. Bound by Gravity 3-4 (-16) 
24. Initiate 3-4 (-21) 
25. Because Itís There 2-4-1 (-16)
26. As Death Embraces 2-4-1 (-32)
37. Nocturnal Conspiracy 2-5 (-30)
28. Portals 1-4-2 (-31)
29. Shapeshifter 0-5-2 (-31) 
30. Eternal Rain 1-6 (-40) 
31. Lapse 1-6 (-42) 
32. Darkest Light 1-6 (-48)
33. Premonition 1-6 (-60) 
34. The Path 0-6-1 (-60)
35. Nobody 0-7 (-81)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-7 (-94)



Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 18, 2017, 06:56:11 PM
Stage 8 Results

Stage 8-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50383.0
1.   Initiate defeats Premonition 21-2
2.   Streams defeats Eternal Rain 15-6
3.   Deathless defeats Nobody 19-3
4.   Visions defeats Lapse 17-6
5.   Red Giant defeats Insomnia 13-10
6.   Aquarium defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 13-9

Stage 8-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50386.0
1.   Earthrise defeats Portals 13-6
2.   The Architect defeats The Mindís Eye 17-2
3.   Bound by Gravity defeats Shapeshifter 10-8
4.   In Memoriam defeats Earthlings 14-5
5.   Drowning in the Flood defeats The Point of No Return 10-8
6.   Cockroach King defeats Crystallised 10-9

Stage 8-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50393.0
1.   Because Itís There defeats The Path 14-7
2.   Atlas Stone defeats Darkest Light 15-6
3.   Somebody defeats As Death Embraces 14-7
4.   Celestial Elixir defeats Sun 17-2
5.   Falling Back to Earth defeats The Endless Knot 15-6
6.   Pareidolia defeats 1985 13-8


Standings after Stage 8 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 8-0 (+98)
2. Celestial Elixir 8-0 (+95)
3. The Architect 8-0 (+90)
4. Pareidolia 7-1 (+69)     
5. Atlas Stone 7-1 (+45) 
6. Aquarium 7-1 (+43)   
7. Crystallised 6-1-1 (+36) 
8. Visions 6-1-1 (+32)     
9. 1985 6-2 (+37)
10. Drowning in the Flood 6-2 (+24) 
11. Streams 5-2-1 (+43)   
12. The Endless Knot 5-3 (+28) 
13. Cockroach King 5-3 (+9) 
14. Earthrise 4-3-1 (+12) 
15. Red Giant 4-4 (+16)   
16. Deathless 4-4 (+10)     
16. Somebody 3-3-2 (+10)   
16. In Memoriam 4-4 (+10)     
19. The Point of No Return 4-4 (+5) 
20. Initiate 4-4 (-2)   
21. Sun 4-4 (-5)   
22. Bound by Gravity 4-4 (-14)   
23. Because Itís There 3-4-1 (-9)
24. Insomnia 3-4-1 (-14) 
25. Earthlings 3-5 (-24)   
26. As Death Embraces 2-5-1 (-39)
27. Nocturnal Conspiracy 2-6 (-34)
28. Portals 1-5-2 (-38)
29. Shapeshifter 0-6-2 (-33) 
30. Eternal Rain 1-7 (-49) 
31. Lapse 1-7 (-53) 
32. Darkest Light 1-7 (-57)
33. Premonition 1-7 (-79) 
34. The Path 0-7-1 (-67)
35. Nobody 0-8 (-97)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-8 (-109)

Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 24, 2017, 05:05:47 AM
Stage 9 Results

Stage 9-A
1.   Shapeshifter defeats Premonition 10-8
2.   Bound by Gravity defeats Darkest Light 14-5
3.   Red Giant defeats Crystallised 11-8
4.   Lapse defeats Earthlings 11-8
5.   Pareidolia defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 14-6
6.   1985 defeats Initiate 12-8

Stage 9-B
1.   The Path defeats Nobody 11-8
2.   Streams defeats As Death Embraces 10-8
3.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Because Itís There 13-6
4.   In Memoriam defeats Sun 10-9
5.   Aquarium defeats Somebody 11-8
6.   Cockroach King defeats The Point of No Return 11-7

Stage 9-C
1.   Visions defeats The Mindís Eye 14-1
2.   Insomnia defeats Portals 8-5
3.   The Endless Knot defeats Earthrise 9-7
4.   Atlas Stone defeats Eternal Rain 11-5
5.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Deathless 11-5
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats The Architect 9-7



Standings after Stage 9 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 9-0 (+104)
2. Celestial Elixir 9-0 (+97)
3. The Architect 8-1 (+88)
4. Pareidolia 8-1 (+77)     
5. Atlas Stone 8-1 (+51) 
6. Aquarium 8-1 (+46)   
7. Visions 7-1-1 (+45)     
8. 1985 7-2 (+41)
9. Drowning in the Flood 7-2 (+31) 
10. Streams 6-2-1 (+45)   
11. Crystallised 6-2-1 (+33)
12. The Endless Knot 6-3 (+30) 
13. Cockroach King 6-3 (+13) 
14. Red Giant 5-4 (+19)   
15. In Memoriam 5-4 (+11)     
16. Bound by Gravity 5-4 (-3)   
17. Earthrise 4-4-1 (+10)   
18. Insomnia 4-4-1 (-11) 
19. Somebody 3-4-2 (+7)   
20. Deathless 4-5 (+4)     
21. The Point of No Return 4-5 (+1) 
22. Initiate 4-5 (-6)   
22. Sun 4-5 (-6)   
24. Because Itís There 3-5-1 (-16)
25. Earthlings 3-6 (-27)   
26. As Death Embraces 2-6-1 (-41)
27. Shapeshifter 1-6-2 (-31) 
28. Portals 1-6-2 (-41)
29. Nocturnal Conspiracy 2-7 (-42)
30. Lapse 2-7 (-50) 
31. The Path 1-7-1 (-64)
32. Eternal Rain 1-8 (-55) 
33. Darkest Light 1-8 (-66)
34. Premonition 1-8 (-81) 
35. Nobody 0-9 (-100)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-9 (-122)

Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on June 24, 2017, 05:08:09 AM
Celestial Elixir vs. FBTE should be interesting...
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 29, 2017, 06:57:44 PM
Stage 10 Results

Stage 10-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50421.0
1.   Somebody defeats Premoniton 13-4
2.   Because Itís There defeats The Mindís Eye 14-3
3.   As Death Embraces defeats Portals 9-8
4.   1985 defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 12-6
5.   Streams defeats Bound by Gravity 11-7
6.   The Architect defeats The Point of No Return 11-7

Stage 10-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50424.0
1.   Shapeshifter defeats The Path 12-6
2.   Earthings defeats Insomnia 9-8
3.   The Endless Knot defeats Eternal Rain 13-5
4.   Falling Back to Earth defeats In Memoriam 14-4
5.   Initiate defeats Drowning in the Flood 10-8
6.   Visions defeats Crystallised 11-7

Stage 10-C- http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50427.0
1.   Deathless defeats Darkest Light 12-6
2.   Sun defeats Earthrise 10-9
3.   Lapse defeats Nobody 13-5
4.   Aquarium defeats Red Giant 10-8
5.   Cockroach King defeats Pareidolia 10-9
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Atlas Stone 14-4



Standings after Stage 10 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 10-0 (+114)
2. Celestial Elixir 10-0 (+107)
3. The Architect 9-1 (+92)
4. Aquarium 9-1 (+48)     
5. Visions 8-1-1 (+49)     
6. Pareidolia 8-2 (+76)     
7. 1985 8-2 (+47)
8. Atlas Stone 8-2 (+41) 
9. Streams 7-2-1 (+49)   
10. The Endless Knot 7-3 (+38) 
11. Drowning in the Flood 7-3 (+29) 
12. Cockroach King 7-3 (+14)   
13. Crystallised 6-3-1 (+29)
14. Red Giant 5-5 (+17)   
15. Somebody 4-4-2 (+16)   
16. Deathless 5-5 (+10)     
17. In Memoriam 5-5 (+1)     
18. Initiate 5-5 (-4)   
19. Sun 5-5 (-5)   
20. Bound by Gravity 5-5 (-7)   
21. Earthrise 4-5-1 (+9)   
22. Because Itís There 4-5-1 (-5)
23. Insomnia 4-5-1 (-12) 
24. The Point of No Return 4-6 (-3) 
25. Earthlings 4-6 (-26)   
26. As Death Embraces 3-6-1 (-40)
27. Shapeshifter 2-6-2 (-25) 
28. Lapse 3-7 (-42) 
29. Portals 1-7-2 (-42)
30. Nocturnal Conspiracy 2-8 (-48)
31. The Path 1-8-1 (-70)
32. Eternal Rain 1-9 (-63) 
33. Darkest Light 1-9 (-72)
34. Premonition 1-9 (-90) 
35. Nobody 0-10 (-108)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-10 (-133)


The regular season has reached its halfway point.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 03, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
Stage 11 Results

Stage 11-A
1.   Eternal Rain defeats Premonition 7-6
2.   The Point of No Return defeats Portals 11-3
3.   Deathless defeats Insomnia 9-5
4.   Sun defeats The Mindís Eye 13-1
5.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Shapeshifter 11-4
6.   The Endless Knot defeats Crystallised 10-6

Stage 11-B
1.   Earthrise defeats The Path 11-5
2.   The Architect defeats Earthlings 13-3
3.   Cockroach King defeats Nobody 14-2
4.   In Memoriam defeats Lapse 11-5
5.   Red Giant defeats Because Itís There 11-5
6.   Aquarium defeats Atlas Stone 9-7

Stage 11-C
1.   Bound by Gravity defeats As Death Embraces 9-7
2.   Initiate defeats Somebody 9-7
3.   1985 defeats Darkest Light 13-3
4.   Pareidolia defeats Streams 10-6
5.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Drowning in the Flood 11-5
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Visions 11-4


Standings after Stage 11 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Falling Back to Earth 11-0 (+120)
2. Celestial Elixir 11-0 (+114)
3. The Architect 10-1 (+102)
4. Aquarium 10-1 (+50)     
5. Pareidolia 9-2 (+80)     
6. 1985 9-2 (+57) 
7. Visions 8-2-1 (+42)     
8. The Endless Knot 8-3 (+42) 
9. Atlas Stone 8-3 (+39) 
10. Cockroach King 8-3 (+26)   
11. Streams 7-3-1 (+45)   
12. Drowning in the Flood 7-4 (+23) 
13. Crystallised 6-4-1 (+25)
14. Red Giant 6-5 (+23)   
15. Deathless 6-5 (+14)     
16. In Memoriam 6-5 (+7)     
17. Sun 6-5 (+7)   
17. Initiate 6-5 (-2)   
19. Bound by Gravity 6-5 (-5)   
20. Earthrise 5-5-1 (+15)   
21. Somebody 4-5-2 (+14)   
22. The Point of No Return 5-6 (+5) 
23. Because Itís There 4-6-1 (-11)
24. Insomnia 4-6-1 (-16) 
25. Earthlings 4-7 (-36)   
26. As Death Embraces 3-7-1 (-42)
27. Shapeshifter 2-7-2 (-32) 
28. Nocturnal Conspiracy 3-8 (-41)
29. Lapse 3-8 (-48) 
30. Portals 1-8-2 (-50)
31. Eternal Rain 2-9 (-62) 
32. The Path 1-9-1 (-76)
33. Darkest Light 1-10 (-82)
34. Premonition 1-10 (-91) 
35. Nobody 0-11 (-120)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-11 (-145)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 07, 2017, 01:08:41 PM


Stage 12 Results

Stage 12-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50457.0
1.   Pareidolia defeats The Mindís Eye 17-1
2.   Eternal Rain defeats Earthlings 10-7
3.   In Memoriam defeats Shapeshifter 11-7
4.   Initiate defeats Lapse 12-6
5.   Because Itís There defeats Insomnia 10-8
6.   Crystallised defeats The Point of No Return 10-8

Stage 12-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50460.0
1.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats The Path 13-4
2.   Cockroach King defeats Premonition 14-3
3.   Visions defeats As Death Embraces 10-7
4.   Atlas Stone defeats Portals 13-3
5.   Sun defeats Darkest Light 11-5
6.   The Architect defeats Aquarium 10-7

Stage 12-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50465.0
1.   Earthrise defeats Nobody 16-3
2.   Somebody defeats Deathless 10-9
3.   Red Giant defeats Bound by Gravity 10-9
4.   The Endless Knot defeats Streams 10-9
5.   1985 defeats Drowning in the Flood 11-8
6.   Celestial Elixir defeats Falling Back to Earth 10-9


Standings after Stage 12 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 12-0 (+115)
2. Falling Back to Earth 11-1 (+119)
3. The Architect 11-1 (+105)
4. Pareidolia 10-2 (+96)     
5. 1985 10-2 (+60) 
6. Aquarium 10-2 (+47)     
7. Visions 9-2-1 (+45)     
8. Atlas Stone 9-3 (+49) 
9. The Endless Knot 9-3 (+43) 
10. Cockroach King 9-3 (+37)   
11. Streams 7-4-1 (+44)   
12. Crystallised 7-4-1 (+27)
13. Red Giant 7-5 (+24)   
14. Drowning in the Flood 7-5 (+20) 
15. Sun 7-5 (+13)   
16. In Memoriam 7-5 (+11)     
17. Initiate 7-5 (+4)   
18. Earthrise 6-5-1 (+28)   
19. Somebody 5-5-2 (+15)     
20. Deathless 6-6 (+13)     
21. Bound by Gravity 6-6 (-6)   
22. Because Itís There 5-6-1 (-9) 
23. The Point of No Return 5-7 (+3) 
24. Insomnia 4-7-1 (-18) 
25. Nocturnal Conspiracy 4-8 (-32)
26. Earthlings 4-8 (-39)   
27. As Death Embraces 3-8-1 (-45)
28. Shapeshifter 2-8-2 (-36) 
29. Lapse 3-9 (-54) 
30. Eternal Rain 3-9 (-59)   
31. Portals 1-9-2 (-60)
32. The Path 1-10-1 (-85)
33. Darkest Light 1-11 (-88)
34. Premonition 1-11 (-102) 
35. Nobody 0-12 (-133)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-12 (-161)


Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 11, 2017, 01:44:13 PM
Stage 13 Results

Stage 13-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50473.0
1.   Premonition defeats The Mindís Eye 11-3
2.   Pareidolia defeats Insomnia 12-3
3.   Cockroach King defeats Deathless 8-7
4.   Celestial Elixir defeats Portals 12-3
5.   Somebody defeats Sun 9-6
6.   Crystallised defeats Aquarium 8-7

Stage 13-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50479.0
1.   Drowning in the Flood defeats The Path 9-3
2.   Streams defeats Earthlings 8-4
3.   Because Itís There defeats Eternal Rain 9-4
4.   In Memoriam defeats Nocturnal Conspiracy 7-6
5.   Initiate defeats Earthrise 8-5
6.   The Architect defeats Bound by Gravity 9-4

Stage 13-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50481.0
1.   Darkest Light defeats Nobody 10-5
2.   The Point of No Return defeats As Death Embraces 10-6
3.   1985 defeats Lapse 14-4
4.   The Endless Knot defeats Red Giant 11-7
5.   Falling Back to Earth defeats Shapeshifter 15-3
6.   Visions defeats Atlas Stone 10-8


Standings after Stage 13 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 13-0 (+124)
2. Falling Back to Earth 12-1 (+131)
3. The Architect 12-1 (+110)
4. Pareidolia 11-2 (+105)     
5. 1985 11-2 (+70) 
6. Visions 10-2-1 (+47)     
7. The Endless Knot 10-3 (+47) 
8. Aquarium 10-3 (+46)     
9. Cockroach King 10-3 (+38) 
10. Atlas Stone 9-4 (+47) 
11. Streams 8-4-1 (+48)   
12. Crystallised 8-4-1 (+28)
13. Drowning in the Flood 8-5 (+26)   
14. In Memoriam 8-5 (+12)     
15. Initiate 8-5 (+7)   
16. Red Giant 7-6 (+20)   
17. Somebody 6-5-2 (+18)     
18. Sun 7-6 (+10)   
19. Earthrise 6-6-1 (+25)   
20. Because Itís There 6-6-1 (-4) 
21. Deathless 6-7 (+12)     
22. The Point of No Return 6-7 (+7) 
23. Bound by Gravity 6-7 (-11)   
24. Insomnia 4-8-1 (-27) 
25. Nocturnal Conspiracy 4-9 (-33)
26. Earthlings 4-9 (-43)   
27. As Death Embraces 3-9-1 (-49)
28. Shapeshifter 2-9-2 (-48) 
29. Eternal Rain 3-10 (-64)   
29. Lapse 3-10 (-64) 
31. Portals 1-10-2 (-69)
32. Darkest Light 2-11 (-83)
33. The Path 1-11-1 (-91)
34. Premonition 2-11 (-94) 
35. Nobody 0-13 (-138)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-13 (-169)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 16, 2017, 10:19:42 AM
Stage 14 Results

Stage 14-A - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50493.0
1.   Deathless defeats Premonition 9-6
2.   Eternal Rain defeats The Mindís Eye 14-1
3.   Celestial Elixir defeats insomnia 14-2
4.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Portals 12-4
5.   Falling Back to Earth defeats The Point of No Return 13-3
6.   Red Giant defeats Somebody 9-8

Stage 14-B - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50503.0
1.   Because Itís There defeats Nobody 9-4
2.   Lapse defeats As Death Embraces 8-6
3.   Visions defeats Shapeshifter 11-2
4.   Pareidolia defeats Sun 10-4
5.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Atlas Stone 9-5
6.   Aquarium defeats In Memoriam 9-5

Stage 14-C - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50507.0
1.   Bound by Gravity defeats The Path 13-4
2.   Initiate defeats Earthlings 10-7
3.   The Architect defeats Darkest Light 14-2
4.   Earthrise defeats Crystallised 9-8
5.   Cockroach King defeats Streams 11-6
6.   The Endless Knot defeats 1985 10-7



Standings after Stage 14 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 14-0 (+136)
2. Falling Back to Earth 13-1 (+141)
3. The Architect 13-1 (+122)
4. Pareidolia 12-2 (+111)     
5. Visions 11-2-1 (+56)     
6. 1985 11-3 (+67) 
7. Aquarium 11-3 (+50)     
8. The Endless Knot 11-3 (+50) 
9. Cockroach King 11-3 (+43) 
10. Atlas Stone 9-5 (+43) 
11. Drowning in the Flood 9-5 (+30)   
12. Initiate 9-5 (+10)   
13. Streams 8-5-1 (+43)   
14. Crystallised 8-5-1 (+27)
15. Red Giant 8-6 (+21)   
16. In Memoriam 8-6 (+8)     
17. Earthrise 7-6-1 (+26)   
18. Because Itís There 7-6-1 (+1)   
19. Somebody 6-6-2 (+17)     
20. Deathless 7-7 (+15)       
21. Sun 7-7 (+4)   
22. Bound by Gravity 7-7 (-2)   
23. The Point of No Return 6-8 (-3) 
24. Nocturnal Conspiracy 5-9 (-25)
25. Insomnia 4-9-1 (-39) 
26. Earthlings 4-10 (-46)   
27. Eternal Rain 4-10 (-77)   
28. Lapse 4-10 (-62)   
29. As Death Embraces 3-10-1 (-51)
30. Shapeshifter 2-10-2 (-57) 
31. Portals 1-11-2 (-77)
32. Darkest Light 2-12 (-95)
33. Premonition 2-12 (-97) 
34. The Path 1-12-1 (-100)
35. Nobody 0-14 (-143)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-14 (-182)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: KevShmev on July 16, 2017, 10:44:33 AM
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on July 16, 2017, 11:12:00 AM
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

I don't think is a bad song, it has good melodies, but as a whole I find it a bit boring.. In my case, I don't think there are 'bad' or at least not-good Haken songs.. The thing is more to decide which is better than which..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on July 16, 2017, 11:17:59 AM
i think it is actually the weakest haken song, so  :corn
tbh though i still haven't bothered to listen to nobody i just remember it being a less interesting version of somebody
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on July 16, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
4.   Earthrise defeats Crystallised 9-8

This is gold :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: KevShmev on July 16, 2017, 01:47:29 PM
4.   Earthrise defeats Crystallised 9-8

This is gold :lol :lol :lol

I know, right?  Earthrise's margin of victory should have been bigger.  :biggrin:

How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

I don't think is a bad song, it has good melodies, but as a whole I find it a bit boring.. In case, I don't think there are 'bad' or at least not-good Haken songs.. The thing is more to decide which is better than which..

I hear ya. :coolio


tbh though i still haven't bothered to listen to nobody i just remember it being a less interesting version of somebody

Agreed.  Somebody is like 299 times better.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on July 16, 2017, 02:24:18 PM
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

Unfortunately with these things, something has got to be at the bottom of the pile, no matter its quality. I wonder, if this ran until every song had faced every other song, which one would it beat?
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on July 16, 2017, 03:31:05 PM
How in the world is The Mind's Eye in last place?

No, it is not one of their better songs, but it's still a good tune.  No way should it be getting pistol whipped in every round.

Unfortunately with these things, something has got to be at the bottom of the pile, no matter its quality. I wonder, if this ran until every song had faced every other song, which one would it beat?

I don't think it would beat anything.

Also it's sad that Somebody and Bound By Gravity are not in the top 16. Shape up people!
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 20, 2017, 01:26:38 PM
Stage 15 Results

Stage 15-A
1.   In Memoriam defeats The Path 10-3
2.   Earthlings defeats Cockroach King 7-6
3.   Deathless defeats Lapse 9-3
4.   Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Nobody 11-2
5.   Somebody defeats Because Itís There 9-4
6.   Streams & The Point of No Return tied at 6-6

Stage 15-B
1.   The Endless Knot defeats The Mindís Eye 13-2
2.   Initiate defeats Shapeshifter 12-3
3.   Aquarium defeats Eternal Rain 10-3
4.   Drowning in the Flood defeats Sun 9-5
5.   Crystallised defeats Atlas Stone 9-6

Stage 15-C
1.   Bound by Gravity defeats Insomnia 12-6
2.   Earthrise defeats Premonition 15-3
3.   Pareidolia defeats Darkest Light 17-1
4.   Celestial Elixir defeats As Death Embraces 16-2
5.   The Architect defeats Portals 16-2
6.   Visions defeats Red Giant 11-7
7.   Falling Back to Earth defeats 1985 11-7


Standings after Stage 15 (Complete tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end. Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament).

1. Celestial Elixir 15-0 (+150)
2. Falling Back to Earth 14-1 (+145)
3. The Architect 14-1 (+136)
4. Pareidolia 13-2 (+117)     
5. Visions 12-2-1 (+60)     
6. The Endless Knot 12-3 (+61) 
7. Aquarium 12-3 (+57)     
8. 1985 11-4 (+63) 
9. Cockroach King 11-4 (+42) 
10. Drowning in the Flood 10-5 (+34)   
11. Initiate 10-5 (+19)   
12. Crystallised 9-5-1 (+30)
13. Streams 8-5-2 (+43)   
14. Atlas Stone 9-6 (+40) 
15. In Memoriam 9-6 (+15)     
16. Earthrise 8-6-1 (+38)   
17. Somebody 7-6-2 (+22)     
18. Deathless 8-7 (+21)       
19. Red Giant 8-7 (+17)   
20. Bound by Gravity 8-7 (+4)   
21. Because Itís There 7-7-1 (-4)   
22. Sun 7-8 (0)   
23. The Point of No Return 6-8-1 (-3) 
24. Nocturnal Conspiracy 6-9 (-16)
25. Earthlings 5-10 (-45)   
26. Insomnia 4-10-1 (-45) 
28. Lapse 4-11 (-68)   
28. Eternal Rain 4-11 (-84)     
29. As Death Embraces 3-11-1 (-65)   
30. Shapeshifter 2-11-2 (-66) 
31. Portals 1-12-2 (-91)
32. Premonition 2-13 (-109) 
33. Darkest Light 2-13 (-111)
34. The Path 1-13-1 (-107)
35. Nobody 0-15 (-152)
36. The Mindís Eye 0-15 (-193)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 21, 2017, 01:18:21 PM
I know I talked about extending the regular season to 20 rounds... but I think I'll keep it at 15, so that we can start with the tournaments and that this whole thing ends with a decent break before the Haken survivor.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on July 21, 2017, 01:28:59 PM
No, we need more rounds to get Deathless and Somebody and Bound by Gravity all into the top 16
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 21, 2017, 01:47:04 PM
Their records can improve in the album tournaments. The final 16 will be locked in after the album tournaments.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on July 21, 2017, 01:47:26 PM
Ah. So the album tournaments aren't completely meaningless then.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 21, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Ah. So the album tournaments aren't completely meaningless then.

Nope..they count..like the DT album tournaments counted before the division format.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on July 21, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
I know I talked about extending the regular season to 20 rounds... but I think I'll keep it at 15, so that we can start with the tournaments and that this whole thing ends with a decent break before the Haken survivor.

I can postpone the Haken Survivor, if you want. Or not do it at all this year, since this Survivor has been taking a while already. People might get tired of Haken :p
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 28, 2017, 07:17:51 AM
Aquarius Tournament

1.   Celestial Elixir
2.   Aquarium
3.   Drowning in the Flood
4.   Streams
5.   Sun
6.   The Point of No Return
7.   Eternal Rain

Opening Round (Celestial Elixir has a bye) - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50550.0

4. Streams defeats 5. Sun 9-6
6. The Point of No Return defeats 3. Drowning in the Flood 8-7
2. Aquarium defeats 7. Eternal Rain 12-3

Semifinals - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50562.0

1. Celestial Elixir defeats 4. Streams 15-2
2. Aquarium defeats 6. The Point of No Return 11-5

Championship Match - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50578.0

1. Celestial Elixir defeats  2. Aquarium 12-5
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 29, 2017, 04:15:26 AM
Visions Tournament

1.   Visions
2.   Deathless
3.   Nocturnal Conspiracy
4.   Insomnia
5.   Shapeshifter
6.   Portals
7.   Premonition
8.   The Mindís Eye


Opening Round Results - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50554.0


1. Visions defeats 8. The Mindís Eye 17-1
4. Insomnia defeats 5. Shapeshifter 10-7
3. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats 6. Portals 13-4
2. Deathless defeats 7. Premonition 11-6


Semifinals - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50566.0


1.  Visions defeats 4. Insomnia 14-3
3. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats 2. Deathless 9-8



Championship Match - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50583.0

1.   Visions defeats 3. Nocturnal Conspiracy 10-8
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on August 03, 2017, 05:38:50 AM
I must say, I'm beginning to think of Visions as Haken's equivalent to A Change of Seasons, in the sense that, despite a quite vocal band of detractors for the song, there are still enough people on its side to put it at number 1.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 03, 2017, 08:42:49 AM
it didn't even make the finals in the last haken survivor iirc  :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 03, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
The Mountain Album Tournament
1.   Falling Back to Earth
2.   Pareidolia
3.   Cockroach King 
4.   Atlas Stone
5.   In Memoriam
6.   Somebody
7.   Because Itís There
8.   As Death Embraces
9.   The Path


Opening Round - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50577.0

8. As Death Embraces defeats 9. The Path 8-5

Quarterfinals - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50590.0

1. Falling Back to Earth defeats 8. As Death Embraces 14-3 
5. In Memoriam defeats 4. Atlas Stone 9-8 
3. Cockroach King defeats 6. Somebody 11-6
2. Pareidolia defeats 7. Because Itís There 16-1

Semifinals - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50598.0
1. Falling Back to Earth defeats 5. In Memoriam 12-4
2. Pareidolia defeats 3. Cockroach King 9-7

Championship - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50616.0

1.   Falling Back to Earth defeats 2. Pareidolia 9-7
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 03, 2017, 12:33:05 PM
Affinity Album Tournament

1. The Architect
2. The Endless Knot
3. 1985
4. Initiate
5. Earthrise
6. Red Giant
7. Bound by Gravity
8. Lapse

Opening Round - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50593.0

1. The Architect defeats 8. Lapse 12-3
4. Initiate defeats 5. Earthrise 9-6
3. 1985 defeats 6. Red Giant 10-5
2. The Endless Knot defeats 7. Bound by Gravity 9-6

Semifinals - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50603.0

1. The Architect defeats 4. Initiate 11-3
2. The Endless Knot defeats 1985 9-7

Championship Match - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50621.0

1. The Architect defeats 2. The Endless Knot 10-6





Stay tuned for final season rankings, a 16 song Championship Tournament, an 8 Song Consolation Tournament, and an Album Tournament.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 03, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
So these are the almost final standings. I'll break the ties when I get to my home computer... unless someone beats me to it lol.

Standings after Album Tournaments.

 Top 16 songs after the album tournaments qualify for the Championship Tournament

Next 8 songs qualify for the Consolation Tournament

Final Standings Tiebreakers for songs with the same winning percentage.

1. Head to head record.
2. Winning Percentage against common opponents.
3. Strength of Victory.
4. Strength of Schedule.
5. Point differential.

Championship Tournament Qualifiers

1. Celestial Elixir 17-0 (+170) 1.000
2. Falling Back to Earth 17-1 (+166) .944
2. The Architect 17-1 (+157) .944
4. Visions 15-2-1 (+89) .861   
5. Pareidolia 15-3 (+132) .833   
6. The Endless Knot 14-4 (+62) .778
6. Aquarium 14-4 (+65) .778     
8. 1985 12-5 (+66) .706
8. Cockroach King 12-5 (+45) .706
10. Initiate 11-6 (+14) .647   
11. Crystallised 9-5-1 (+30) .633
12. Drowning in the Flood 10-6 (+33)  .625 
13. Streams 9-6-2 (+33) .588 
13. In Memoriam 10-7 (+8) .588     
15. Atlas Stone 9-7 (+39) .563 
16. Earthrise 8-7-1 (+35) .531 

Consolation Tournament Qualifiers
17. Deathless 9-8 (+25) .529     
18. Somebody 7-7-2 (+17) .500   
18. Red Giant 8-8 (+12) .500 
18. Bound by Gravity 8-8 (+1) .500 
21. Because Itís There 7-8-1 (-19) .468 
22. Nocturnal Conspiracy 8-10 (-8) .444
23. The Point of No Return 7-9-1 (-8) .441
24. Sun 7-9 (-3) .438   

The Rest
25. Earthlings 5-10 (-45)  .333
26. Insomnia 5-11-1 (-53) .324
27. Lapse 4-12 (-77) .250   
27. Eternal Rain 4-12 (-93) .250   
29. As Death Embraces 4-12-1 (-73) .265   
30. Shapeshifter 2-12-2 (-69).188 
31. Portals 1-13-2 (-100) .125
32. Premonition 2-14 (-114) 
33. Darkest Light 2-13 (-111) .133
34. The Path 1-14-1 (-110) .094
35. Nobody 0-15 (-152) .000
35. The Mindís Eye 0-16 (-209) .000
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on August 03, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
There's atleast three songs in consolations that should have been in top 16.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 03, 2017, 06:11:55 PM
I agree, deathless, somebody, and bound by gravity are way better than some songs in the top 15
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on August 03, 2017, 07:27:13 PM
Agreed.. And add Nocturnal Conspiracy to that list..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 04, 2017, 12:02:19 AM
nah  :corn
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: home on August 04, 2017, 02:09:59 AM
Red Giant tho
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on August 04, 2017, 03:44:14 AM
I don't understand other people. :(
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 04, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
Look on the bright side, if you really like one of the songs in the Consolation Tournament, at least they have a chance of winning their tournament instead of being steamrolled by an epic.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Evermind on August 04, 2017, 12:40:44 PM
Deathless, Somebody, Nocturnal Conspiracy and Sun all deserve to be in the Finals instead of Earthrise, Atlas Stone, Cockroach King and Streams.

Well, I will indeed support them in the Consolation Tournament.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ariich on August 04, 2017, 05:19:26 PM
Look on the bright side, if you really like one of the songs in the Consolation Tournament, at least they have a chance of winning their tournament instead of being steamrolled by an epic.
I suppose it's not called the Consolation Tournament for nothing.

Overall that ranking is just so far away from what my own would look like. :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 06, 2017, 08:36:41 AM
Final Standings, including Tiebreakers for the songs in the two tournaments.

Championship Tournament Qualifiers
1. Celestial Elixir 17-0 (+170) 1.000
2. Falling Back to Earth 17-1 (+166) .944
3. The Architect 17-1 (+157) .944
4. Visions 15-2-1 (+89) .861   
5. Pareidolia 15-3 (+132) .833   
6. Aquarium 14-4 (+65) .778     
7. The Endless Knot 14-4 (+62) .778
8. 1985 12-5 (+66) .706
9. Cockroach King 12-5 (+45) .706
10. Initiate 11-6 (+14) .647   
11. Crystallised 9-5-1 (+30) .633
12. Drowning in the Flood 10-6 (+33) .625 
13. Streams 9-6-2 (+33) .588 
14. In Memoriam 10-7 (+8) .588     
15. Atlas Stone 9-7 (+39) .563 
16. Earthrise 8-7-1 (+35) .531 

Consolation Tournament Qualifiers
17. Deathless 9-8 (+25) .529     
18. Red Giant 8-8 (+12) .500 
19. Bound by Gravity 8-8 (+1) .500 
20. Somebody 7-7-2 (+17) .500   
21. Because Itís There 7-8-1 (-19) .468 
22. Nocturnal Conspiracy 8-10 (-8) .444
23. The Point of No Return 7-9-1 (-8) .441
24. Sun 7-9 (-3) .438   

The Rest
25. Earthlings 5-10 (-45)  .333
26. Insomnia 5-11-1 (-53) .324
27. Lapse 4-12 (-77) .250   
27. Eternal Rain 4-12 (-93) .250   
29. As Death Embraces 4-12-1 (-73) .265   
30. Shapeshifter 2-12-2 (-69).188 
31. Portals 1-13-2 (-100) .125
32. Premonition 2-14 (-114) 
33. Darkest Light 2-13 (-111) .133
34. The Path 1-14-1 (-110) .094
35. Nobody 0-15 (-152) .000
35. The Mindís Eye 0-16 (-209) .000


Final Standings Tiebreakers for songs with the same winning percentage.

1. Head to head record.
2. Winning Percentage against common opponents.
3. Strength of Victory. (Winning percentage of opponents defeated combined)
4. Strength of Schedule. (Winning percentage of opponents combined)
5. Point differential.



Tiebreakers

#2 Seed. Falling Back to Earth & Architect, 17-1 Ė .944
Tiebreaker 1 Ė Head to head record Ė Songs did not face off in the regular season.
Tiebreaker 2 Ė Winning Percentage against common opponents Ė The same (Both lost to Celestial Elixir)
Tiebreaker 3 Ė Strength of Victory , Falling Back to Earth = 145-136-6 .516, The Architect = 119-153-6 278 .439

#6 Seed. Aquarium & The Endless Knot
Tiebreaker 1 Ė Head to head record - Aquarium defeated The Endless Knot 11-10 in Stage 6.

#8 Seed. 1985 & Cockroach King
Tiebreaker 1- Head to head record Ė Songs did not face off in the regular season.
Tiebreaker 2 Ė Winning Percentage against common opponents (Earthlings, Nobody, Pareidolia, Red Giant, Streams, Visions)  - 1985 4-2 .667 - Cockroach King 4-2 .667
 Tiebreaker 3 Ė Strength of Victory, 1985 = 79-111-4 .418, Cockroach King = 72-117-6 .385

#13 Seed. In Memoriam & Streams
Tiebreaker 1 Ė Head to head record Ė Songs did not face off in the regular season.
Tiebreaker 2 Ė Winning Percentage against common opponents (Bound by Gravity, The Endless Knot, Insomnia, Lapse, The Point of No Return) - In Memoriam 2-3 .400 Ė Streams 3-1-1 .700

#18 Seed. Bound by Gravity, Red Giant, Somebody
Tiebreaker 1 Ė Head to Head record Ė N/A songs did not all face each other.
Tiebreaker 2 Ė Winning Percentage Against common opponent (The Architect & Insomnia) - Bound by Gravity 1-1 .500 Ė Red Giant 1-1 .500 Ė Somebody 0-1-1 .250
Tiebreaker 3 Head to Head Record of songs not eliminated in tiebreaker 2 Ė Red Giant defeats Bound by Gravity 10-9 in Stage 12-C


Tournaments to begin soon.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on August 06, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
 :corn
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 12, 2017, 04:43:20 PM
The Albums

Stage 1
1.   The Mountain defeats Visions 16-4
2.   Aquarius defeats Affinity 11-9

Stage 2
1.   Aquarius defeats Visions 11-4
2.   The Mountain defeats Affinity 8-7 


Stage 3
1.   Affinity defeats Visions 12-4
2.   The Mountain defeats Aquarius 11-5

Final Album Standings
1.   The Mountain 3-0
2.   Aquarius 2-1
3.   Affinity 1-2
4.   Visions 0-3
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 12, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
wow, DTF got something right. literally every match turned out correct
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 12, 2017, 06:52:13 PM
Yep, definitly I'm satisfied too with these results. The Mountain is their best album with any doubt for me. I also like Affinity, but Aquarius has that specific atmosphere, and Affinity is just a group of very good songs puzzled into an album. On Visions You can find one of my favourite Haken tracks which is Insomnia, but to be honest that's the only one I'm going back to sometimes...
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on August 12, 2017, 10:07:55 PM
Nah, Affinity should've won the three matches.. Is the only album that's clearly better than the rest.. I can hardly choose my favorite or least favorite between the other three..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 12, 2017, 11:00:27 PM
i don't understand how affinity is clearly better than the rest but ok  :corn
tbh out of all haken's albums it has the weakest "best" song imo (that song being bound by gravity)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Evermind on August 13, 2017, 01:19:29 AM
Yeah, these rankings are my exact rankings, so good job DTF.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2017, 11:42:37 AM
Yeah, these rankings are my exact rankings, so good job DTF.

I'd swap The Mountain and Aquarius, but okay. Close enough, I guess.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on August 13, 2017, 02:39:38 PM
tbh out of all haken's albums it has the weakest "best" song imo (that song being bound by gravity)

The only thing stopping it from being the weakest best song is that it's not the best song. That would be 1985. Or The Architect. Or Initiate. Or The Endless Knot.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 13, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
initiate is possibly the most overhyped song in haken's discog, i found it meh when they first debuted it & it's still one of my least faves on the album
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on August 13, 2017, 07:08:31 PM
initiate is possibly the most overhyped song in haken's discog, i found it meh when they first debuted it & it's still one of my least faves on the album

cockroach is overhyped, initiate is a jam
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 13, 2017, 07:24:40 PM
guess you don't sympathize
with a cockroach
and a cockroach
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on August 13, 2017, 08:22:44 PM
Good thing I didn't hear about all that hype then.. :azn: Both songs are awesome..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: home on August 14, 2017, 01:22:08 AM
The best three songs on Affinity are better than every song from Aquarius of Visions

And this:
Good thing I didn't hear about all that hype then.. :azn: Both songs are awesome..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: ToT-147 on August 14, 2017, 10:17:42 AM
The best three songs on Affinity are better than every song from Aquarius of Visions

Agreed.. And those would be Initiate, TEK and The Architect (this one's the best though)..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 14, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
Haken the League - Consolation Tournament
Seeds
1.   Deathless
2.   Red Giant
3.   Bound by Gravity
4.   Somebody
5.   Because Itís There
6.   Nocturnal Conspiracy
7.   The Point of No Return
8.   Sun

Opening Round
1. Deathless defeats 8. Sun 10-6
4. Somebody defeats 5. Because Itís There 11-5
6. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats 3. Bound by Gravity 9-8 (I Broke the tie)
7. The Point of No Return defeats 2. Red Giant 9-7

Semifinals
4. Somebody defeats 1. Deathless 6-5
6. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats 7. The Point of No Return 7-4

3rd Place match
1.  Deathless defeats 7. The Point of No Return 10-4

Consolation Championship Match
6. Nocturnal Conspiracy defeats Somebody 8-7 (I broke the tie)


Nocturnal Conspiracy is the 2017 Consolation Tournament Champion!
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 14, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
Good for Nocturnal Conspiracy that it wins, but how it is possible that Deathless was beaten by Somebody??????
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: jakepriest on August 14, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
NC winning consolations is pretty meh at best. There's atleast 5 better songs.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on August 15, 2017, 12:48:56 AM
NC winning consolations is pretty meh at best. There's atleast 5 better songs.

All of them in the Consolation tournament? Surely that's the point of the Consolation tournament. The tournament of meh songs*.

(* Not necessarily my opinion.)

Anyway, it's a shame in a way that it had to end with a tie.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 15, 2017, 01:18:08 AM
i think he meant 5 better songs in consolations, which i'm inclined to agree with
there's like, 15+ better haken songs in general at least
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on August 15, 2017, 02:07:23 AM
Nocturnal Conspiracy is bottom 15 Haken at best.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Mladen on August 15, 2017, 06:09:35 AM
Nocturnal conspiracy is the best song on Visions.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 15, 2017, 06:13:02 AM
Nocturnal conspiracy is the best song on Visions.
This, with Insomnia :)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 15, 2017, 08:50:17 AM
Deathless is the best song on Visions.
yeah i agree
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Mladen on August 15, 2017, 10:16:22 AM
Nocturnal conspiracy is the best song on Visions.
This, with Insomnia :)
Oh, absolutely.  :tup
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on August 15, 2017, 11:39:10 AM
Visions is the best song on Visions.

FTFM.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 15, 2017, 11:49:35 AM
Visions is the best Visions on Visions.

FTFM.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Elite on August 15, 2017, 01:46:06 PM
Visions is the best title-track Haken has done

FTFM.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: RoeDent on August 16, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
Visions is the best title-track Haken has done

FTFM.

Well it's either that or affinity.exe, so it's not a contest really.

(My apologies for continuing the quote pyramid...)
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Parama on August 16, 2017, 09:43:10 AM
congratulations, you have understood The Joke
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 16, 2017, 01:47:01 PM
Haken the League Ė Championship Tournament
Seeds
1. Celestial Elixir
2. Falling Back to Earth
3. The Architect
4. Visions
5. Pareidolia
6. Aquarium
7. The Endless Knot
8. 1985
9. Cockroach King
10. Initiate
11. Crystallised
12. Drowning in the Flood
13. Streams
14. In Memoriam
15. Atlas Stone
16. Earthrise

Opening Round
1. Celestial Elixir defeats 16. Earthrise 12-2
9. Cockroach King defeats  8. 1985 8-7  (I broke the tie)
5. Pareidolia defeats 12. Drowning in the Flood 11-3
13. Streams defeats 4. Visions 8-5
3. The Architect defeats 14. In Memoriam 11-3
6. Aquarium defeats 11. Crystallised 8-6 
7. The Endless Knot defeats 10. Initiate 8-5
2. Falling Back to Earth defeats 15. Atlas Stone 13-1

Quarterfinals
1. Celestial Elixir defeats 9. Cockroach King 12-7
5. Pareidolia defeats 13. Streams 14-5
3. The Architect defeats 6. Aquarium 11-7
2. Falling Back to Earth defeats 7. The Endless Knot 10-9 
 
Semifinals
5. Pareidolia defeats 1. Celestial Elixir 8-7 (I Broke the Tie)
3. The Architect defeats Falling Back to Earth 8-5

3rd Place Match

1.   Celestial Elixir defeats 2. Falling Back to Earth 9-6

Championship Tournament Championship Match - http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50697.0

3.  The Architect defeats 5. Pareidolia 9-8 (I broke the tie)






Congrats to the Architect.... a worthy champion indeed!

Thank you for everyone who participated in this! It was a lot of fun to run.



Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: Parama on August 16, 2017, 02:11:15 PM
worse than the survivor by far  :corn
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: jakepriest on August 16, 2017, 02:57:11 PM
The league was very fun, but man those Consolations and Finals results... mindblowing at best.  :lol
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: ToT-147 on August 16, 2017, 09:33:23 PM
 :loser:

Finally a champion that actually deserves to win..

League is clearly better than the survivor, IMHO.. :angel:
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: ariich on August 17, 2017, 02:44:56 AM
Final results are total meh.

People have such terrible taste. :P
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: Mladen on August 17, 2017, 02:47:07 AM
That was surprising.

It was still a fun ride, though. Thanks so much for running the league, DOC.  :tup
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: ToT-147 on August 17, 2017, 11:02:43 AM
Why is everyone complaining about The Architect winning the League?.. ???  I mean, where are those who voted for it to be so?.. Show up..
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: Parama on August 17, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
maybe scar was with us all along  :corn
like it's weird to see how few people are actually happy with this result
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: ToT-147 on August 17, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
Maybe.. Or maybe we have another Scar among us...
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: Evermind on August 17, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Yeah, the results suck for me. I would pick Initiate and The Endless Knot over The Architect, not to mention songs like Falling Back to Earth, Pareidolia, Somebody, Deathless, Nocturnal Conspiracy, Aquarium, Drowning in the Flood, Sun, Celestial Elixir and probably Crystallised too.

Oh well, at least Celestial Elixir is in the Top 3.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: LordCost on August 17, 2017, 03:47:53 PM
I voted Pareidolia in the last match, even if The Architect is in my top 4. I'm still happy with the result
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: RoeDent on August 18, 2017, 05:52:00 AM
The problem is that we had too many ties during the crucial stages, especially the final. This is why democracy doesn't work. Shame we can't come up with a better way to settle ties.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 18, 2017, 07:16:16 AM
That was surprising.

It was still a fun ride, though. Thanks so much for running the league, DOC.  :tup

You're quite welcome. Was a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Haken: The League - 2017 - 1. The Architect 2. Pareidolia 3. Celestial Elixir
Post by: ToT-147 on August 18, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
The problem is that we had too many ties during the crucial stages, especially the final. This is why democracy doesn't work. Shame we can't come up with a better way to settle ties.

I don't see the problem.. The ties were possible due to ALL of us.. The votes of every person (assuming no one cheated this time) represent one single vote after all, so I really can't see how this could make democracy a dysfunctional system above the things that really make it so..

If the majority choose one song over another, that's the end of it, no matter how close it went or the fact that the tie was broken by one person.. To be fair, actually we all broke every tie..