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Title: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: The Letter M on April 20, 2017, 08:36:45 PM
The Finals
Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
Learning To Live
Scarred
The Mirror
Trial Of Tears
Home
Finally Free
The Glass Prison
In The Name Of God
Octavarium
The Root Of All Evil
In The Presence Of Enemies
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges In The Sky
A Change Of Seasons
Take The Time
Fatal Tragedy

Round 17's Results:
The Mirror 2 (5.4%)
Trial Of Tears 4 (10.8%)
Finally Free 1 (2.7%)
The Glass Prison 1 (2.7%)
In The Name Of God 3 (8.1%)
Octavarium 2 (5.4%)
The Root Of All Evil 2 (5.4%)
In The Presence Of Enemies 7 (18.9%)
The Count Of Tuscany 11 (29.7%)
Take The Time 1 (2.7%)
Fatal Tragedy 3 (8.1%)

18. The Count Of Tuscany
19. Stream Of Consciousness
20. Disappear
21. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
22. Lines In The Sand
23. Illumination Theory
24. Moment Of Betrayal
25. Three Days
26. Surrender To Reason
27. A Nightmare To Remember
28. A Tempting Offer
29. A Life Left Behind
30. The Killing Hand
31. A Fortune In Lies
32. To Live Forever
33. A Vision
34. March Of The Tyrant

Seventeen rounds in, seventeen songs out, with the newest loser being the closing epic from the band's last album with Portnoy (and on his birthday, no less). Another epic bites the dust, but not without seeing more votes for ITPOE, ITNOG, and TOT pop up, so perhaps another epic is surely to follow as we cross the halfway mark of these finals!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Adami on April 20, 2017, 08:52:57 PM
Enemies
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: jakepriest on April 20, 2017, 09:18:35 PM
Don't get the hate for Count. It's probably my favourite Rudess performance to date.
Fatal Tragedy doesn't deserve finals let alone top 18 imo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Mladen on April 20, 2017, 11:55:03 PM
In The Name Of God
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: jjrock88 on April 21, 2017, 12:02:50 AM
Enemies
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: ToT-147 on April 21, 2017, 12:11:02 AM
Don't get the hate for Count.

Yeah, because a song ending up in 18th place out of much more than 100 songs... that just shows hatred for it.. ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Zydar on April 21, 2017, 12:14:36 AM
Guess I'll be voting for Scarred until the end of time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: aprilethereal on April 21, 2017, 12:30:35 AM
TROAE
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 21, 2017, 12:44:48 AM
Since the song I was trying to save (The Count of Tuscany) is out, I'll go back to voting against my actual least favorite song here, which is The Glass Prison.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 21, 2017, 01:15:15 AM
In the Presence of Enemies, last easy choice. And damn you Count haters!  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Crow on April 21, 2017, 01:49:53 AM
whoooo-ooaaah, why's itpoe still theee-eerre?
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Elite on April 21, 2017, 02:56:39 AM
terrible unison, glory glory hallelujah.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Elite on April 21, 2017, 02:58:03 AM
Fatal Tragedy doesn't deserve finals let alone top 18 imo.

this is what I'm thinking for a lot of songs that made the Finals. As for songs still there; wtf is The Mirror doing? :lol it's just sitting there, not getting any votes, because people ignore it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 21, 2017, 03:46:06 AM
Fatal Tragedy doesn't deserve finals let alone top 18 imo.

this is what I'm thinking for a lot of songs that made the Finals. As for songs still there; wtf is The Mirror doing? :lol it's just sitting there, not getting any votes, because people ignore it.

The Mirror is there because it's their best heavy song and deserves all the praise and unconditional love it comes its way  :metal :metal :metal

Ok, fanboyism for the song aside, I've said all along that the most polarizing songs get all the attention, and people focus on voting out the famous song that for their life they can't understand why everyone else likes, and so "middle of the road" songs last much longer than classics who divide the fanbase.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 21, 2017, 04:18:45 AM
Trial Of Tears
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Elite on April 21, 2017, 04:56:52 AM
"middle of the road" songs last much longer than classics who divide the fanbase.

this is literally the story of every Survivor ever :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: krands85 on April 21, 2017, 06:04:31 AM
The Mirror
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 21, 2017, 06:38:20 AM
Scarred
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2017, 06:58:10 AM
The Root of All Evil
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2017, 08:17:09 AM
Enemies
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: CharlesPL on April 21, 2017, 08:31:48 AM
The Root Of All Evil
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Crow on April 21, 2017, 08:36:41 AM
Fatal Tragedy doesn't deserve finals let alone top 18 imo.

this is what I'm thinking for a lot of songs that made the Finals. As for songs still there; wtf is The Mirror doing? :lol it's just sitting there, not getting any votes, because people ignore it.
or; it's top 5 DT material  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2017, 08:53:22 AM
Yeah, that's Survivor format for you.

Fatal Tragedy
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: romdrums on April 21, 2017, 09:56:17 AM
Finally Free
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: Prog Snob on April 21, 2017, 10:03:07 AM
Don't get the hate for Count. It's probably my favourite Rudess performance to date.
Fatal Tragedy doesn't deserve finals let alone top 18 imo.

It's a Fatal Tragedy that people think it's better than TCOT.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: ToT-147 on April 21, 2017, 11:02:08 AM
Fatal Tragedy doesn't deserve finals let alone top 18 imo.

this is what I'm thinking for a lot of songs that made the Finals. As for songs still there; wtf is The Mirror doing? :lol it's just sitting there, not getting any votes, because people ignore it.

The Mirror is there because it's their best heavy song and deserves all the praise and unconditional love it comes its way  :metal :metal :metal

Ok, fanboyism for the song aside, I've said all along that the most polarizing songs get all the attention, and people focus on voting out the famous song that for their life they can't understand why everyone else likes, and so "middle of the road" songs last much longer than classics who divide the fanbase.

But there's someone who actually do that?... I don't remember any of us saying not once that their vote was to a particular song because, even when there were least favorite songs in the list, it was an overrated one.. It's just a theory, with no single real evidence.. I mean, look at the results so far.. How many votes are getting the 'classics' or 'famous songs'?.. Just binary numbers..
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 21, 2017, 03:34:55 PM
Yeah, maybe I went too far in making that specific example. I was not suggesting that people vote classic songs out of spite or boredom, it's just that I feel that the biggest and most defining songs are polarizing and as much praise they get, they can attract also a bigger dislike that draws attention to them way more than a song that everyone agrees is just "normally good".  Being italian I can witness the election of the peope and the election of the president of the republic, which is not voted by the citizens but by the parliament - in both cases a compromise candidate has better chances than a candidate that is much loved by many, but equally disliked by as many others.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: The Letter M on April 21, 2017, 05:57:20 PM
Wow, guys, we've reached 40 votes! That might be the first time in these Finals rounds, so I have high hopes for the remaining two weeks of rounds. These results are pretty compelling so far, though, so it'll be interesting to see where we go from here.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater Survivor 2017 - The Finals - Round 18 (Whoa, we're halfway there!)
Post by: ToT-147 on April 21, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
Yeah, maybe I went too far in making that specific example. I was not suggesting that people vote classic songs out of spite or boredom, it's just that I feel that the biggest and most defining songs are polarizing and as much praise they get, they can attract also a bigger dislike that draws attention to them way more than a song that everyone agrees is just "normally good".

And I didn't think that either.. I understand your logic, but I don't think it applies... or maybe I just don't want to believe survivors work that way..

What I'm saying is that these polarizing songs, like TCoT, SDoIT, TMoLS or IT, don't last and won't ever last until the final rounds of a survivor because there is a considerable percent of voters that, from one point onwards, consider them to be their least favorite of the remaining songs.. They are polarizing, but only as from a certain scale in between an imaginary DT fans consensual ranking.. On the other side, you're implying that those votes came from people who overlooks the middle-range songs even when one or some of them are less liked than the one they're actually voting..

I guess we'll never know any of this for sure, but I think that we just might be looking at the word "polarizing" from different point of views..