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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: TAC on April 12, 2017, 01:49:22 PM
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Maybe we should start a UFO thread so as not to hijack too much of M's topic. :)
DONE!
I'm biased against No Heavy Petting because I was collecting UFO albums as they were released (see the Post your picture thread :lol). My pals and I were hooked with the spaciness Phenomenon and the heaviness of Force It (it was really heavy at the time). Other than a few spots we thought NHP was pretty light weight (I'm looking at you Highway Lady). Lights Out and Obsession (my personal favorite) is where they really brought it home for us...of course, there's no greater live album, ever, than Strangers In The Night. :biggrin:
If you were listening in real time, I can totally understand your POV. They add the loopy keyboards of Danny Peyronel, and take the raw edge of Force It off.
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I just put on "Mechanix", and while I know it's not Michael (it's Paul Chapman) WOW what a great record. "The Writer". "Doing It All For You". And the best song on the album (which wasn't even on the original album but was a bonus track in Japan) "Heel Of A Stranger". LOVE that song.
I feel a UFO kick coming on. Look out!
It's ON, Brother!
Just rolled the windows down on this 70+degree day and gave NHP a run through.
Mechanix is awesome, even though its commercial feel caused Pete Way to leave the band. And yes, Heel Of A Stranger is awesome!
Doing It All For You is great, but my favorite track on Mechanix is Dreaming. It's a TAC Top 10 UFO Track across all eras.
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Nobody can deny the excellence of Strangers of the Night. Just an outstanding live album and deserves the recognition it gets!
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Even though it has two songs recorded in the studio to fill a double album, the live stuff is amazing.
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I love No Heavy Petting. While it may not be as heavy overall as some of their other albums, it's still got Can You Roll Her and Reasons Love, both of which are two of my favorites among their heavier songs. Plus I think it has two of their best ballads ever. I love Belladonna for Michael's incredible solo, and I love Martian Landscape for those fantastic lyrics. I love Paul Raymond, but I really like Danny Peyronel's contribution to the album and wonder what it would have been like had he stayed.
Also, the SITN version of Love to Love is probably one of my favorite live performances ever. Just perfect in every way.
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I love No Heavy Petting. While it may not be as heavy overall as some of their other albums, it's still got Can You Roll Her and Reasons Love, both of which are two of my favorites among their heavier songs. Plus I think it has two of their best ballads ever. I love Belladonna for Michael's incredible solo, and I love Martian Landscape for those fantastic lyrics. I love Paul Raymond, but I really like Danny Peyronel's contribution to the album and wonder what it would have been like had he stayed.
Thank you. It's an amazing, though understated, album.
Also, the SITN version of Love to Love is probably one of my favorite live performances ever. Just perfect in every way.
Yes, amazing! And Paul Raymond is great on it.
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I always thought that the live "sound board" cuts on the end of Covenant were pretty good considering they weren't touched up, and are somewhat poorly EQ'd. There's mistakes here and there, but they have a lot of energy.
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We already have Kev's UFO thread - merge ;D
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We already have Kev's UFO thread - merge ;D
:lol
I always thought that the live "sound board" cuts on the end of Covenant were pretty good considering they weren't touched up, and are somewhat poorly EQ'd. There's mistakes here and there, but they have a lot of energy.
Cool stuff. Much better than Werewolves Of London where they basically turn Paul Raymond's guitar down to nothing.
BTW, Covenant is an awesome album. I remember not even knowing they were doing a follow up to Walk On Water and all of a sudden here is Covenant. I love that album.
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We already have Kev's UFO thread - merge ;D
:lol
I always thought that the live "sound board" cuts on the end of Covenant were pretty good considering they weren't touched up, and are somewhat poorly EQ'd. There's mistakes here and there, but they have a lot of energy.
Cool stuff. Much better than Werewolves Of London where they basically turn Paul Raymond's guitar down to nothing.
BTW, Covenant is an awesome album. I remember not even knowing they were doing a follow up to Walk On Water and all of a sudden here is Covenant. I love that album.
Yes, some of my favorite UFO songs are on that album. The World and his Dog is spectacular. In fact, I'm mostly a greatest hits fan of their classic era because I grew up more on Michael's 80's output, so WOW and Covenant are my favorite albums. Sharks on the other hand...
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I hear ya on Sharks. Pretty bad.
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No Heavy Petting was the first UFO album I bought and remains one of my favourites. You can't go wrong with any of the Schenker-era albums. Sheer brilliance.
I haven't checked out the last album A Conspiracy of Stars yet, though I hear it's their best album in a while.
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As a huge UFO fan, I love the Schenker era, obviously. The Raymond era was fantastic too. I have a soft spot for Misdemeanour.
I didn't follow the albums after this, though I have heard them at some point.
As a huge Vinnie Moore fan (he's my favourite guitarist), I was excited when he joined UFO but I haven't really enjoyed any of the recent albums.
SITN is legendary. They are the definitive versions of all those songs. I can't listen to the original version of Let It Roll cos the vocals sound awful in comparison to the live version.
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I haven't checked out the last album A Conspiracy of Stars yet, though I hear it's their best album in a while.
It's OK. It's better than the previous one, Seven Deadly, but not great by any stretch.
If I'm ranking the Moore era albums, I go:
The Visitor
The Monkey Puzzle
You Are Here
A Conspiracy Of Stars
Seven Deadly
Best track of the Moore era is The Wild One off of You Are Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0tkJ5ux5WY
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Tick saw these guys live when he was a kid, but nobody believes him.
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:rollin
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Okay, UFO fans. Help a brother out:
- Where have I heard the verse of "Reasons to Love" before? It reminds me of something and I can't place it. It's also the riff under the solo. Did Eric Avery steal that for a Jane's Addition bass line? (This is from the other thread)
- What am I missing with SITN? I get the idea of a "definitive live album" - I love Alive!, Live After Death, and Made In Japan - but for whatever reason, I love the studio versions better. I'll give it another listen, but I'm missing something.
- Anyone hear the first two or three albums, before Michael Schenker joined? Are they any good?
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The two pre Schenker albums, plus a live album, are total noise. For completest only. The very first one I liked, but Flying is very spaced out. It's Mogg/Way/Parker with Mick Bolton on guitar.
As far as Strangers.. those live versions of Rock Bottom, Love To Love, I'm A Loser, and so on are amazing. Perhaps you like the raw production of the early albums, and there's something to be said for their charm, but Strangers really breathes new life into the tracks.
I cannot place the Reasons Love verse anywhere else, and I am not familiar with Jane's Addiction in any way. That said, Reasons Love :metal
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Tick saw these guys live when he was a kid, but nobody believes him.
:rollin
I don't get it.
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=32403
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Gotcha!
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Ok, Tim, educate me on why the solo on Reasons Love is so great. To my ears it sounds phoned in. I've always thought that's what ruined what was potentially a top song for UFO. The main riff is so quintessentially UFO.
First of all, what I loved about Michael's lead playing (at the time) was that he had a knack for finding a melody. His ability to compliment/augment the underlying music was mesmerizing. In essence you could sing his solos, which was amazing when you consider that he didn't really compose them. He had a structure in mind and then would just wing it. When he chose to play a bunch of fast notes, it was generally appropriate to the moment.
For me, Reasons Love starts out that way and then just goes to, "fuck it, I'll just play a shit ton of fast notes." And not very precisely either. He kinda stumbles over them and calls it 'good enough'. That's probably not completely fair for me to say, but compared to what came before this album and definitely what came after (see also Lights Out), that's the way it's always felt for me.
Now, I don't mean to rag on NHP too much. It has it's moments. I enjoy Natural Thing, Reasons Love (in spite of what's written above) Belladonna, and strangely On With The Action (that my buddies absolutely hated).
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This thread should be renamed: "TAC's UFO Thread." :lol
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This thread should be renamed: "TAC's UFO Thread." :lol
:metal
I LOVE UFO!!
@ Gregg regarding Schenker and the Reasons Love solo...
Your description of what makes a Michael Schenker solo great is dead on. You totally get it. :hefdaddy
And I totally understand what you say specifically about the Reasons Love solo. I don't disagree that there's a certain sloppiness to it, but he rescues it magnificently and ends it with an breathtaking flourish.
There's something about NHP that speaks to me. But it's splitting hairs, really. All 5 of those albums are ingrained on my soul and I'd go to the mat for every one of them.
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I listened to the solo in question and it's good and fast and like, stuff I wouldn't want to try to replicate, but I'll have forgotten it in 5 minutes. I don't know why, there's just something about UFO that I cannot get into, no matter how hard I try. And you want sloppy? Listen to Page's solo on Heartbreaker. THAT'S a sloppy guitar solo.
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That's fair enough Coz. It's s fairly short and eclectic solo with not much melody to it.
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I don't know why, there's just something about UFO that I cannot get into, no matter how hard I try.
Give those later albums a try. Walk on Water to begin with, and then Covenant. It's still UFO, but it has a bit of a more modern feel, and it might be more listenable for modern audiences.
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Both are Schenker albums too.
Walk On Water is essential.
Dreaming Of Summer :hefdaddy
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Both are Schenker albums too.
Walk On Water is essential.
Dreaming Of Summer :hefdaddy
Yes, that song is classic UFO no matter which era. Speaking of WoW, I seen them on the reunion tour and they were selling that album at the t-shirt counter. The lineup of the songs was slightly different. Stopped by a Bullet was right before Dreaming of Summer, and the '95 version of Lights Out was absent. Unfortunately, I lost the disc in an apartment fire a few years later. I don't think that the album had been released officially in the US at the time.
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I bought the Japanese import as soon as it came out. I don't think it was released in America for a number of months later. Maybe a year later.
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Tim if you ever get a chance can you do your complete UFO album rankings favorite to least
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Tim if you ever get a chance can you do your complete UFO album rankings favorite to least
I will!
My Top 3 though are:
No Heavy Petting
The Wild The Willing And The Innocent
Walk On Water
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I don't know why, there's just something about UFO that I cannot get into, no matter how hard I try.
Give those later albums a try. Walk on Water to begin with, and then Covenant. It's still UFO, but it has a bit of a more modern feel, and it might be more listenable for modern audiences.
A buddy of mine told me Obsession was the album I needed to listen to. He was wrong. But I'll try to give these a listen. Thanks.
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I predict that those albums won't do it for Coz either. If Force it, Lights Out and Obsession don't work for him then the middle-aged rock of Walk On Water and Covenant aren't likely to knock him over, regardless of the better sound.
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There's something about it that I am incapable of putting my finger on. I can hear it. But I can't exactly tell you what it is.
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I get it, Coz. There's music that you rave about that doesn't do it for me and I'd probably have a hard time describing why too.
:dunno:
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It bums me out, because I WANT to love it. I'm at least capable of recognizing the good musicianship that's present, so there's that.
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There's something about it that I am incapable of putting my finger on. I can hear it. But I can't exactly tell you what it is.
Sounds like you've given it an honest shot.
They are very inconsistent, their singer really doesn't stand out. Their music doesn't break any ground, and pretty much use standard song structure. I have tried my whole life to get people into UFO, and it's not easy.
But so many bands have stated their influence. Tesla is like a carbon copy of UFO. Their influence bleeds through their music.
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I think one thing might be that I feel like I'm hearing chords in the background that I think I probably wouldn't associate with a hard rock band. It throws me off. The structures and/or chord progressions don't exactly sound like something you'd hear in a more mainstream rock band. Again, it's difficult to really state it.
Now it's funny you mention Tesla, because I like Tesla a lot, so it's interesting that they cite UFO as a big influence.
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Brian Wheat is a Pete Way disciple.
I loved Tesla from Day One. They are so similar to UFO. In a single album, they roll up rockers, ballads, semi epics, acoustics, and interesting lyrics. Plus real cool vocalists.
Tesla:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/19/a1/18/19a118b6dc657d84a51b649dfe69ef68.jpg)
UFO:
(https://www.daveling.co.uk/obs3.jpg)
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They are very inconsistent, their singer really doesn't stand out. Their music doesn't break any ground, and pretty much use standard song structure. I have tried my whole life to get people into UFO, and it's not easy.
I think they were on the verge of breaking new ground with Obsession. That's what upset me so much at the time with the Schenker breakup.
I love the lead guitar harmonizing with the vocal chorus on Only You Can Rock Me and You Don't Fool Me. To this day, I can't think of another band who did this to such great effect. I think it's a way under explored idea.
The lead guitar playing punctuation licks to the verses and ambient wails during chorus on Pack It Up (And Go), You Don't Fool Me, One More for the Rodeo, and to a lesser extent Hot 'N' Ready--sort of a lead over everything ala Steve Howe (metal style) was new ground. I get the criticism that Michael was just a bit too busy on this record, but I loved it. And still do.
The album is still full of patented UFO riffage and traditional lead breaks but I really enjoy the depth that the above added to their music.
Plus, the tone of his guitar with the delay on it is just tasty...
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When I say break new ground, I guess I meant that you just can't pull someone off the street and expect them to catch it right away. Those Schenker albums are amazing, and I agree with every word you say. I know it. I feel it.
But the things I said in my quote are all things I've heard other people tell me over the years.
Obsession is so wickedly awesome it's ridiculous. It is crazy that Coz doesn't latch onto it. I mean just listening to Schenker is a trip in itself.
Pack It Up (And Go), You Don't Fool Me, One More for the Rodeo,
3 GREAT TUNES!! :metal
It warms me all over ;D that I can even have a conversation with someone that can even cite them.
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They are very inconsistent, their singer really doesn't stand out. Their music doesn't break any ground, and pretty much use standard song structure. I have tried my whole life to get people into UFO, and it's not easy.
This depends on perspective. Much like looking back at Judas Priest, their approach may come off like "standard-fare", but they helped develop and establish an entire genre. If not for them, an entire decade of music (if not more) looks completely different and goes in an entirely different direction. In fact, many of the bands that directly influenced Dream Theater were directly influenced by UFO. I realize that you mentioned this a little bit, but it only scratches the surface.
I saw a documentary some years back about the band, and it had Joe Elliot talking about the early days of DL and how they would go check them out every chance they got. Iron Maiden were hugely influenced by them. Every time I've seen IM live they've played Doctor Doctor on the PA right before they started their set. Steve Harris' daughter even opened her set with Natural Thing when I seen her open for IM. And, of course, everyone knows their influence on KH and Metallica. I doubt that you can find a famous guitarist in the hard rock/metal genre that isn't influenced either directly, or indirectly by Michael. That all goes back to the classic era of this band.
EDIT: I posted this before I read your later comments.
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It warms me all over ;D that I can even have a conversation with someone that can even cite them.
Hey, I was a UFO afficianado when you were still wearing Garanimals, Bucko! :lol
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They are very inconsistent, their singer really doesn't stand out. Their music doesn't break any ground, and pretty much use standard song structure. I have tried my whole life to get people into UFO, and it's not easy.
This depends on perspective. Much like looking back at Judas Priest, their approach may come off like "standard-fare", but they helped develop and establish an entire genre. If not for them, an entire decade of music (if not more) looks completely different and goes in an entirely different direction.
That's what I was saying. I go to the mat for UFO, and like I said, those are the things I've heard over the years. I've been listening to Michael Schenker since I was 12 and I love what he does. UFO was a huge influence for the 80's, and have never gotten the popular credit that they deserve. The musicians and bands of the 80's know, that's for sure.
And, of course, everyone knows their influence on KH and Metallica.
If anyone hasn't seen Kirk and Schenker on That Metal show, this is so awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1e8Ll1pBI
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June 14, 1986. One of the 10 best days of my life. Downtown Providence. I was 17, and thankfully, NOT wearing Garanimals that day!
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/UFO.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/UFO.jpg.html)
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Nice!
Did he get drunk and take a swing at you?
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Thats the third picture!
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He came out and had that, "Oh great, there's 4 dudes standing here and I actually have to talk to them. Don't they know it's early" look on his face. (it was about 2:00pm) :lol
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I just want to throw out there to the cosmos, my undying love for Born to Lose. :heart
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I take it that Obsession is your favorite? Have you stayed with UFO right on through all subsequent eras?
Top 5 or so albums?
Top 10 tracks?
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Gun to my head? Lights Out is my favorite studio album. Obsession, Walk on Water, and Force It are close behind. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Phenomenon since it was my first UFO album and it blew my circle of friends away when I played it for them.
But, no. I became disillusioned with them after Wild Willing and the Innocent. Then I fell out with Schenker when he hired Graham Bonnet. I'd never heard Walk on Water until you and Lowdz encouraged me to listen to it a couple of years ago.
I'd have to really think about ranking songs. I'm sure it wouldn't match anyone else...my tastes are strange. Would it surprise you to know that I think Just Another Suicide is one of the greatest songs ever written? :lol
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Would it surprise you to know that I think Just Another Suicide is one of the greatest songs ever written? :lol
It's a great song. In fact, when I was a junior in high school, I brought it into Religion class (I went to a Catholic HS) and the class listened. We also analyzed the lyrics.
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But, no. I became disillusioned with them after Wild Willing and the Innocent. Then I fell out with Schenker when he hired Graham Bonnet. I'd never heard Walk on Water until you and Lowdz encouraged me to listen to it a couple of years ago.
Well, you've missed some awesome UFO over the years, and some not so awesome UFO too. ;D
Same with Schenker. His last two albums (with Doogie White on vocals) have been great! The best he's done since forever.
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BTW, hopefully I've not come off as the guy who comes into a thread about something he's not interested in and dumps on it. Not my intention.
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BTW, hopefully I've not come off as the guy who comes into a thread about something he's not interested in and dumps on it. Not my intention.
Not in the slightest, Coz. Not at all. Appreciate your views.
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No worries, Coz. Start a Kiss thread and I'll just quote everything you've said in this thread and we'll all be even. :biggrin:
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Is it safe to say that UFO is one of, if not the biggest, rock band ever that nobody has ever heard of?. I tend to view Saxon the same in regards to heavy metal.
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Is it safe to say that UFO is one of, if not the biggest, rock band ever that nobody has ever heard of?. I tend to view Saxon the same in regards to heavy metal.
Yes. they just never had that one HIT in the 70's that every other classic rock band had.
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Was Rock Bottom, Doctor Doctor and Lights Out only considered minor hits in the 70's. Or not even hits at all?
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Was Rock Bottom, Doctor Doctor and Lights Out only considered minor hits in the 70's. Or not even hits at all?
And Gregg, to follow up with that, how was it that you became aware of Phenomenon?
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I literally never heard a UFO song on the radio. Even on the album oriented FM stations. I don't know if they ever had a single that sold well enough to be considered a hit. I seriously doubt it.
I bought Phenomenon on the strength of the album cover alone. :lol It was on the new release rack at the local record store. Hypgnosis covers were synonymous with quality acts in those days. I loved the cover, turned it over and saw a group of young men who looked like us, saw the credit to Hypgnosis and asked the store clerk what kind of music it was. He said, "Hard rock, but with kind of a spacey British tone." That was enough for me. I bought it, and on my first listen I wasn't really feeling the love until...
Well, I'm sure you can guess what caught my ear.
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I heard Too Hot To handle ONCE on the radio, probably around 1982. That's it. Oh, maybe Let It Rain ONCE too.
For me, my first exposure was hearing MSG's On And On on the radio. It was played a number of times. I got that, and found out he was in a band called UFO. Believe it or not, I traded a Led Zeppelin pin, yes a pin!, to a kid on my hockey team for the Strangers and Obsession LPs.
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The House of Hair plays them once in a while. But besides that, I've never once heard them on regular radio.
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Did anyone else check out any of the Waysted albums in the 80's?
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I don't hear it much any more, but I heard Rock Bottom *all the freakin time* on rock radio when I was growing up.
But I think Seattle is just weird that way. They also played the crap out of Sammy Hagar *WAY* before "I Can't Drive 55" was a hit.
I constantly heard "Can't Get Loose", "Baby's On Fire", "Heavy Metal", "I'll Fall In Love Again", "Remember the Heroes", "Three Lock Box", "Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy", "I Don't Need Love", "Red", and "This Planet's On Fire (Burn In Hell)" in the early 80's. All of these were pretty much regular rotation songs.
But ya....Rock Bottom. Heard that a lot.
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Is it safe to say that UFO is one of, if not the biggest, rock band ever that nobody has ever heard of?. I tend to view Saxon the same in regards to heavy metal.
Yes. they just never had that one HIT in the 70's that every other classic rock band had.
I don't know much about UFO (a bit like Coz in my opinions on them ,but love Tesla :biggrin: ) - only have a few albums* (Misdemeanour being the fave from those ) - but based on SITN being a bit of a best of from that era I had always assumed that Only You Can Rock Me would've been the hit rather than the others mentioned above. It's the only song of theirs that I can recall hearing on the limited rock radio out here. Good song too.
*I do have a couple of others I haven't gotten around to
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Did anyone else check out any of the Waysted albums in the 80's?
I did check them out but wasn't a fan until the one with Danny Vaughn. That was one of those super rare ones as I was growing up - even boots went for massive coin.
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I sampled some Waysted material years ago and liked it well enough but haven't revisited it since. Has anyone checked out the Schenker/Way project from the early 2000's, The Plot? I think Pete Way's vocals put some people off, but it never bothered me much. Kicked Out off that album is fantastic, especially that "see those headlights on the highway" part. Just beautiful.
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I sampled some Waysted material years ago and liked it well enough but haven't revisited it since. Has anyone checked out the Schenker/Way project from the early 2000's, The Plot? I think Pete Way's vocals put some people off, but it never bothered me much. Kicked Out off that album is fantastic, especially that "see those headlights on the highway" part. Just beautiful.
I was never aware of this. I'll try to hunt it down.
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Did anyone else check out any of the Waysted albums in the 80's?
I did check them out but wasn't a fan until the one with Danny Vaughn. That was one of those super rare ones as I was growing up - even boots went for massive coin.
This.
Great album, that one.
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I literally never heard a UFO song on the radio. Even on the album oriented FM stations. I don't know if they ever had a single that sold well enough to be considered a hit. I seriously doubt it.
I bought Phenomenon on the strength of the album cover alone. :lol It was on the new release rack at the local record store. Hypgnosis covers were synonymous with quality acts in those days. I loved the cover, turned it over and saw a group of young men who looked like us, saw the credit to Hypgnosis and asked the store clerk what kind of music it was. He said, "Hard rock, but with kind of a spacey British tone." That was enough for me. I bought it, and on my first listen I wasn't really feeling the love until...
Well, I'm sure you can guess what caught my ear.
This. I'd like to think I know a little bit about British heavy metal. Maiden was my favorite band most of the way through high school, and Steve Harris didn't waste an interview to praise UFO (plus they covered "Doctor Doctor" as a b-side later). I LOVED Fastway; saw them open for Maiden on the Piece of Mind tour (though no "Way"). HUGE into Scorpions and Michael Schenker (Built To Destroy is my favorite there, though I listened the SHIT out of the second album).
And yet... other than "Doctor Doctor" (and only because it was on "One Night At Budokan" and "Rock Will Never Die") I hadn't heard one UFO song when I bought - on a whim and a prayer - the Chrysalis five-CD box set with the first era of Schenker material. At least where I was - Northeast of America - they just weren't a big force.
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I literally never heard a UFO song on the radio. Even on the album oriented FM stations. I don't know if they ever had a single that sold well enough to be considered a hit. I seriously doubt it.
I bought Phenomenon on the strength of the album cover alone. :lol It was on the new release rack at the local record store. Hypgnosis covers were synonymous with quality acts in those days. I loved the cover, turned it over and saw a group of young men who looked like us, saw the credit to Hypgnosis and asked the store clerk what kind of music it was. He said, "Hard rock, but with kind of a spacey British tone." That was enough for me. I bought it, and on my first listen I wasn't really feeling the love until...
Well, I'm sure you can guess what caught my ear.
This. I'd like to think I know a little bit about British heavy metal. Maiden was my favorite band most of the way through high school, and Steve Harris didn't waste an interview to praise UFO (plus they covered "Doctor Doctor" as a b-side later). I LOVED Fastway; saw them open for Maiden on the Piece of Mind tour (though no "Way"). HUGE into Scorpions and Michael Schenker (Built To Destroy is my favorite there, though I listened the SHIT out of the second album).
And yet... other than "Doctor Doctor" (and only because it was on "One Night At Budokan" and "Rock Will Never Die") I hadn't heard one UFO song when I bought - on a whim and a prayer - the Chrysalis five-CD box set with the first era of Schenker material. At least where I was - Northeast of America - they just weren't a big force.
I have that boxset.
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Been without internet at home since Friday. After work today, and after the Verizon asshole leaves, a barrage of posts will commence!
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Been without internet at home since Friday. After work today, and after the Verizon asshole leaves, a barrage of posts will commence!
*bails*
:rollin
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One of my favorite bands. Listened to the hell out of them growing up in the late 70's. Lights Out, Obsession and The Wild, the Willing and the Innocent are my favorites.
Schenker is my favorite guitarist, his tone and style is so awesome. First concert I went to as a kid was at the Ampitheater in '78, blown away by the band and Schenker. They were pretty big in Chicago for obvious reasons, played Lights Out, Too Hot to Handle, Love to Love and Only you can Rock me quite a bit on the radio. With the success of SiTN, No Place to Run was a big deal when it came out and that tour, even with Schenker leaving.
The Wid, Willing and the Innocent is my favorite Chapman album. Long Gone, Lonely Heart, Making Moves, Ttile Track, that intro fade-in to It's Killing Me, great stuff.
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Has anyone checked out the Schenker/Way project from the early 2000's, The Plot? I think Pete Way's vocals put some people off, but it never bothered me much. Kicked Out off that album is fantastic, especially that "see those headlights on the highway" part. Just beautiful.
It's an interesting album for sure. It's more of a Pete Way album with Schenker. And Schenker is not the story here. Other than his rhythm sound, you'd never know it was him. The only Schenkerific track is Seniorita.
This is total dive bar dirty rock n roll. Plenty of drugs/booze lyrics. Yes Kicked Out is cool, and even Phil Mogg would have to be WTF at those lyrics! :lol
My favorite track on it is You And Me. And this album has some fantastically solid drumming from Jeff Martin. Vocally Pete Way is like a cross between Lemmy and Ace Frehley.
You And Me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1emSCEXl4
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One of my favorite bands. Listened to the hell out of them growing up in the late 70's. Lights Out, Obsession and The Wild, the Willing and the Innocent are my favorites.
Schenker is my favorite guitarist, his tone and style is so awesome. First concert I went to as a kid was at the Ampitheater in '78, blown away by the band and Schenker. They were pretty big in Chicago for obvious reasons, played Lights Out, Too Hot to Handle, Love to Love and Only you can Rock me quite a bit on the radio. With the success of SiTN, No Place to Run was a big deal when it came out and that tour, even with Schenker leaving.
The Wid, Willing and the Innocent is my favorite Chapman album. Long Gone, Lonely Heart, Making Moves, Ttile Track, that intro fade-in to It's Killing Me, great stuff.
Awesome. And I'm totally with you on WWI. Yes the beginning of It's Killing Me is awesome!
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I LOVED Fastway; saw them open for Maiden on the Piece of Mind tour (though no "Way").
Saw Fastway on the same tour. I remember how awesome it was to watch Jerry Shirley and I thught Dave King was excellent. The songs themselves translated much better live as I was a little disappointed with the album, especially as the lead track, Say What You Will, was so freaking awesome.
But Chrysalis wouldn't let Pete Way out of his contract, and he actually gave away a number of writing credits.
Pete Way would release Waysted's Vices later that same year. You can clearly see that Waysted was one of the band names he and Eddie Clark brainstormed. Way(Fa)stEd.
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Has anyone checked out the Schenker/Way project from the early 2000's, The Plot? I think Pete Way's vocals put some people off, but it never bothered me much. Kicked Out off that album is fantastic, especially that "see those headlights on the highway" part. Just beautiful.
It's an interesting album for sure. It's more of a Pete Way album with Schenker. And Schenker is not the story here. Other than his rhythm sound, you'd never know it was him. The only Schenkerific track is Seniorita.
This is total dive bar dirty rock n roll. Plenty of drugs/booze lyrics. Yes Kicked Out is cool, and even Phil Mogg would have to be WTF at those lyrics! :lol
My favorite track on it is You And Me. And this album has some fantastically solid drumming from Jeff Martin. Vocally Pete Way is like a cross between Lemmy and Ace Frehley.
You And Me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1emSCEXl4
I could definitely tell that was MS on the lead. He just has such an individual approach to the instrument that he stands out.
You nailed it when you described Pete's vocals.
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I could definitely tell that was MS on the lead.
Are you talking about this track or the album in general? For the most part, it feels like Schenker is about to go on a run, but then remembers to not play like himself! :lol
Yes, it's totally Schenker, but I feel like he purposely takes a total backseat to Way on this album.
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I could definitely tell that was MS on the lead.
Are you talking about this track or the album in general? For the most part, it feels like Schenker is about to go on a run, but then remembers to not play like himself! :lol
Yes, it's totally Schenker, but I feel like he purposely takes a total backseat to Way on this album.
Just on this track. It's the only thing that I've heard from the album. It's not really my kind of thing, so I probably won't be checking out anymore of it unless you suggest some other tracks that might be a little different. I didn't hate it, but it wasn't the kind of thing that I usually go for.
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I think it's a UFO completest type album. I actually prefer Pete's Alive In Cleveland. It's unique, and I usually pull it out once a year.
As a Schenker fan, you'll appreciate Seniorita from the same album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgF_4CG0Dxk
It's really the only track where I feel like has a true Schenker influence.
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I think it's a UFO completest type album. I actually prefer Pete's Alive In Cleveland. It's unique, and I usually pull it out once a year.
As a Schenker fan, you'll appreciate Seniorita from the same album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgF_4CG0Dxk
It's really the only track where I feel like has a true Schenker influence.
That was a little bit better. I think that if it had a different vocalist then it would have been pretty good.
On a side note, there is a link on that page to a Mogg/Way song called Jerusalem that I decided to check out. Pretty cool song. I might have to try some more of that stuff.
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Jerusulam is an awesome track.
After Walk On Water was released, but before 2000's Covenant (with Schenker) was released, there were two Mogg/Way albums. To get Schenker to reunite for WOW, they had to give him the rights to the UFO name, or, that if he was not on it, they couldn't call it UFO.
They released two albums;
Edge Of The World (1997)
Lineup:
Phil Mogg
Pete Way
Ainsley Dunbar (who also played on Covenant)
George Bellas (guitar)
and,
Chocolate Box (1999)
Lineup:
Phil Mogg
Pete Way
Paul Raymond
Simon Wright
Jeff Kollman (guitar)
Jerusulam is from Chocolate Box, which is easily, IMO, the better of the two.
I consider these UFO albums, and are cataloged as such on my iPod.
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From one of the more obscure UFO albums, here's a track from 1992's High Stakes And Dangerous Men.
This album featured a reuiniting of Phil Mogg and Pete Way. The lineup also features Laurence Archer on guitar and Clive Edwards on drums.
Borderline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkKg6VRQtIo
Borderline is a TAC Top 10 UFO track.
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Been without internet at home since Friday. After work today, and after the Verizon asshole leaves, a barrage of posts will commence!
*bails*
:rollin
:lol
You ducking I hope!
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Vocally Pete Way is like a cross between Lemmy and Ace Frehley.
I had zero interest in checking out Pete Way's solo stuff until I read that line right there. I have to hear that. I HAVE to.
EDIT: I would have never thought of describing it that way, but you are dead right. Holy mackerel. That is the perfect description!!!! The vocals are not good, but not enough to turn me off totally. The chorus is weak, but the intro riff and the solo are top notch Schenker!
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From one of the more obscure UFO albums, here's a track from 1992's High Stakes And Dangerous Men.
This album featured a reuiniting of Phil Mogg and Pete Way. The lineup also features Laurence Archer on guitar and Clive Edwards on drums.
Borderline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkKg6VRQtIo
Borderline is a TAC Top 10 UFO track.
I checked this album out a year or so ago and really enjoyed it. That's a great song.
Laurence Archer was one unlucky guy. Seemed on the verge of his big break but never made it. Great player.
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I remember when High Stakes came out. I was so happy Way and Mogg were together. They also did a cool b-side of Long Gone.
This lineup also recorded the Lights Out In Tokyo live album, which is f'n A Awesome! Laurence Archer slays on it, and the energy is incredible. Even on tracks like Love To Love and Lights Out, Archer rules. UFO has commercially released so many live albums and Lights Out In Tokyo ranks right up there.
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I remember when High Stakes came out. I was so happy Way and Mogg were together. They also did a cool b-side of Long Gone.
This lineup also recorded the Lights Out In Tokyo live album, which is f'n A Awesome! Laurence Archer slays on it, and the energy is incredible. Even on tracks like Love To Love and Lights Out, Archer rules. UFO has commercially released so many live albums and Lights Out In Tokyo ranks right up there.
Never heard that one.
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From Lights Out In Tokyo (1992)
Lights Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Piru3qK00_s
Love To Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXoeEr0KNag
Laurence Archer and Clive Edwards really bring great energy on this live album. I listen to it regularly. Archer is no Schenker, for sure, but he is on fire for this whole set.
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No way Coz won't like this...at least the intro!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCudBalUMxo
Great tune BTW and NSFW!!
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No way Coz won't like this...at least the intro!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCudBalUMxo
Great tune BTW and NSFW!!
I checked that out, and found a performance from 2001 of them doing LIR with Uli. UJR and MS is a something that I'd absolutely love to see in person.
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Oh hell yes!!
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Pete Way on Hollywood Squares 1979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X7BKorZk9g
"Depends on which queen you're talking about" :lol
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Daily UFO post!
Watching this video of MSG in 1981 playing Rock Bottom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oZ_aw4L1oQ
Obviously Schenker's solo is amazing, but Paul Raymond playing off of him is way underrated. On the Strangers version, Paul is perfectly mixed against Michael, as he is here.
Oh, and Cozy Powell!
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No way Coz won't like this...at least the intro!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCudBalUMxo
Great tune BTW and NSFW!!
:tup
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Looks like the Saxon/UFO tour is coming back to the NE. Since most of the UFO fans seem to be up there, anybody that didn't catch it last time should definitely check it out. I'd have preferred Saxon to headline, but UFO certainly put on a fine show.
Friday September 22 Newton, NJ / Newton Theater
Saturday September 23 Huntington, NY / Paramount Theater
Sunday September 24 Baltimore, MD / Baltimore Soundstage
Tuesday September 26 Philadelphia, PA / Theater Of The Living Arts
Thursday September 28 Plymouth, NH / Flying Monkey
Friday September 29 Worcester, MA / Palladium
Saturday September 30 Hartford, CT / Webster Theater
Sunday October 1 Portland, ME / Aura
Tuesday October 3 Toronto, ON / Queen Elizabeth Theater
Wednesday October 4 Montreal, QU / Corona Theater
Friday October 6 Flint, MI / Machine Shop
Saturday October 7 Traverse City, MI / Ground Zero
Sunday October 8 Chicago, IL / Concord Music Hall
Monday October 9 Akron, OH / Tangier Cabaret Room
Wednesday October 11 Pittsburgh, PA / Jergels
Thursday October 12 Cincinnati, OH / Bogarts
Friday October 13 Merrillville, IN / Star Plaza
Saturday October 14 Indianapolis, IN / The Egyptian
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Looks like the Saxon/UFO tour is coming back to the NE. Since most of the UFO fans seem to be up there, anybody that didn't catch it last time should definitely check it out. I'd have preferred Saxon to headline, but UFO certainly put on a fine show.
Friday September 29 Worcester, MA / Palladium
Bart, you made my day!!!!!!!!!
Just so happened to pull my UFO shirt from the bottom of my t shirt drawer this morning too!!
And a Friday to boot!
I missed the show last month. It was a Sunday, and I had to wait until the show was fairly close before we could line up a sitter. Then when I went to buy tix, it was sold out. :censored
The Palladium is a hell hole and not ideal to Boston or Providence but I am there!!!
Been listening to my Moore Era compilation CD this past week, and I think I might prefer it to my Chapman Era one.
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Do they split the headlining or is UFO always closing the shows?
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Oh wow, that Pittsburgh show (which is not in Pittsburgh) is like 15 minutes from my place. Sounds like a fun night out.
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Do they split the headlining or is UFO always closing the shows?
I believe UFO is the headliner.
the setlist from Boston last month:
UFO:
1. Mother Mary
2. Long Gone
3. Run Boy Run
4. Lights Out
5. Baby Blue
6. Let It Roll
7. Only You Can Rock Me
8. Burn Your House Down
9. Too Hot To Handle
10. Messiah Of Love
11. Love To Love
12. Rock Bottom
13. Cherry
14. Doctor Doctor
15. Shoot Shoot
Saxon:
1. Battering Ram
2. This Town Rocks
3. Sacrifice
4. Power And The Glory
5. Strong Arm Of The Law
6. The Eagle Has Landed
7. Dallas 1PM
8. Ace Of Spades
9. Heavy Metal Thunder
10. Crusader
11. Wheels Of Steel
12. Denim And Leather
13. Princess Of The Night
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I'll be damned. Saxon always mixes up their setlist, but it seems Eagle was added the show right after Dallas. Bummer. Normally it's just 20k, Heavy Metal Thunder and Strong Arm that get shuffled about. That's a pretty significant change.
The UFO set was the same, but with Wonderland instead of Long Gone. That was also changed right after Dallas.
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In NY, they also opened with We Belong To the Night.
I'd love for UFO to mix up their setlist a bit. And by mix it up, I don't mean adding Venus.
As long as Saxon keeps This Town Rocks, I'll be happy.
Edit:
Looking at the Dallas setlist:
1. Long Gone
2. Wonderland
3. Run Boy Run
4. Lights Out
5. Baby Blue
6. Ain't No Baby
7. Only You Can Rock Me
8. Burn Your House Down
9. Too Hot to Handle
10. Love To Love
11. Messiah Of Love
12. Rock Bottom
13. -encore break-
14. Cherry
15. Doctor Doctor
16. Shoot Shoot
The show on Dime lists Long Gone as the opener. Unless Mother Mary wasn't recorded. Dallas also got Ain't No Baby.
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That setlist doesn't do a whole lot for me (UFO that is) but I've never seen them so there's that. Plus the Webster is 15 minutes from me. Problem is, I have about five shows in about three weeks at that point. I'm going to be doing a lot of yardwork for the wife this summer, looks like.
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My biggest issue with UFO, is that I totally understand the need to play 3 or 4 songs at EVERY show. It's just that UFO plays 7 or 8 at every show.
Cherry is one of my least favorite Schenker era tracks.
And Only You Can Rock me is like seeing Maiden play Wrathchild. You look at it in the setlist and think..again??...but then they play it and it goes over so great.
I can only think of 4 Chapman era tracks that they have played in the last 10 years...We Belong To the Night, Makin' Moves, WWI, and Long Gone.
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That setlist doesn't do a whole lot for me (UFO that is) but I've never seen them so there's that. Plus the Webster is 15 minutes from me. Problem is, I have about five shows in about three weeks at that point. I'm going to be doing a lot of yardwork for the wife this summer, looks like.
I love when shows come all bunched together like that. I think June is supposed to be pretty busy down here. As for me, I really just went for Saxon, who I never miss. UFO really put on a good show, though.
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My biggest issue with UFO, is that I totally understand the need to play 3 or 4 songs at EVERY show. It's just that UFO plays 7 or 8 at every show.
Cherry is one of my least favorite Schenker era tracks.
And Only You Can Rock me is like seeing Maiden play Wrathchild. You look at it in the setlist and think..again??...but then they play it and it goes over so great.
I can only think of 4 Chapman era tracks that they have played in the last 10 years...We Belong To the Night, Makin' Moves, WWI, and Long Gone.
Doctor Doctor, Lights Out, Rock Bottom and Love to Love would be the 4 essential songs if I had to guess. I'd think that Natural Thing and Too Hot to Handle would be staples as well. Cherry is an ok song, but it's 2nd tier for them in my opinion. The only time that I seen them live was on the reunion tour, but it was so long ago that I've forgotten the setlist.
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I'd go with those 4. The Moore Era lineup has hardly ever played Natural Thing. I'm not sure either way.
And I do not need Too Hot or OYCRM.
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TAC, question for you since you're definitely the resident expert on UFO. Were any other "classic" songs recorded during the Walk on Water sessions? We got new versions of Doctor Doctor and Lights Out, and I'd be interested in finding newer versions of any of the other songs that may have been recorded.
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Honestly, I don't know. The lineup did do a German tour in '93 before the album was recorded. There are plenty of boots out there.
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I'd go with those 4. The Moore Era lineup has hardly ever played Natural Thing. I'm not sure either way.
And I do not need Too Hot or OYCRM.
Sacrilege 😀
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Looks like the Saxon/UFO tour is coming back to the NE.
Friday September 29 Worcester, MA / Palladium
Tickets purchased!! :metal
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Just ordered this from Amazon. I cannot wait to read this book!
(https://www.peteway.co.uk/communities/9/004/012/739/849/images/4632305725.jpg)
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Just ordered this from Amazon. I cannot wait to read this book!
(https://www.peteway.co.uk/communities/9/004/012/739/849/images/4632305725.jpg)
I'll be waiting for a book review. I might have to pick it up if you like it as well.
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I'll let you know. It was only $14 on Amazon. It'll be back in stock next week.
I have high hopes for it. Interested in the part where his wife passes away.
Book Report will commence right after.
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Just ordered this from Amazon. I cannot wait to read this book!
(https://www.peteway.co.uk/communities/9/004/012/739/849/images/4632305725.jpg)
You ordered a painting of a white "X" in a black box? Where will that go? The man cave? :)
(Can't see the picture; what did you get?)
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Pete Way just released an autobiography. I ordered it!!! Can't wait to dig into it.
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Pete Way just released an autobiography. I ordered it!!! Can't wait to dig into it.
Like he could remember anything? 😀
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I'm praying it's better than Ace Frehley's.
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Let me know if you find out who supplied Bon's drugs ;D
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I certainly will. Sounds like Paul Chapman was closer to it than Pete though.
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I'm praying it's better than Ace Frehley's.
Which was light years better than Peter Criss's.
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I'm praying it's better than Ace Frehley's.
Which was light years better than Peter Criss's.
I wanted to reach through the page and punch the whiny git :biggrin:
Always everyone else's fault. Typical victim mentality.
And Ace. No Regrets? Well he fucking well should have! Wasted his talent, hurt his loved ones. Dick head.
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Got the Pete Way book today. I'm 50 pages in, where Michael joins. Holy shit, this book is full of great quotes.
Michael Schenker: "There was never silence with Pete. He had to talk all the time. Luckily for me, I didn't speak any English so it all went in one ear and out the other."
Forward by Steve Harris. :metal
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So, I finished the Pete Way book. UFO has been a favorite band of mine since I was a kid, and Pete Way, in particular, has always been fascinating to me. I LOVED the Waysted albums in the 80's. Loved them. I was interested in his story, as I remember when his wife passed away, but I was more interested in the "Rock History" part of it as it related to UFO, Fastway, , Ozzy, Waysted, the Schenker reunion, and so on.
It's told in the first person, with a co author. Ace's book was the same way, but I felt Ace's book was so embellished by the co author, it didn't even feel like a legit autobiography.
Way's book feels a lot closer to his own words than Ace's, but the more I read, the more I could feel the co author's work.
Anyway, I thought of Paul's quote while reading this.
And Ace. No Regrets? Well he fucking well should have! Wasted his talent, hurt his loved ones. Dick head.
There is nothing redeeming or sympathetic about Pete Way. He actually was pretty pathetic. He seemed to be able to pull people in with a personal charm. Even in pictures, he seemed like a cool guy to hang out with. And he probably was. But he let his life be ruled by drugs and alcohol. 6 wives. Cheated on all of them. His kids, by different wives grew up without him.
I cannot believe the amount of drugs he did. His 5th wife, Joanna, was a doctor, and she wrote prescriptions for both of them. She ended up ODing. I seriously cannot believe this guy is alive. Most people would be dead by now doing what he did.
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Can somebody recommend me a first UFO album to check out?
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Can somebody recommend me a first UFO album to check out?
Strangers In The Night hands down.
Strangers is the live album that ends the classic Michael Schenker era with the band. Recorded in 1978.
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Can somebody recommend me a first UFO album to check out?
Strangers In The Night hands down.
Strangers is the live album that ends the classic Michael Schenker era with the band. Recorded in 1978.
This.
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Pretty much what they said.
As an alternate, Lights Out kinda has a bit of everything you get from UFO.
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I'm the oddball, AGAIN. I really like the Schenker studio albums, but "Strangers..." doesn't grab me in the same way as, say, Alive! or Live After Death. Maybe I need to revisit.
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I'm the oddball, AGAIN. I really like the Schenker studio albums, but "Strangers..." doesn't grab me in the same way as, say, Alive! or Live After Death. Maybe I need to revisit.
Maybe you do! ;D But it could simply mean that you are much more of a KISS and Maiden fan.
I mean if you revisit, for me, it's all about Rock Bottom and Love To Love. The Rock Bottom solo section is incredible, and what I like is listening to Paul Raymond, especially as they set up the unison at the end of that section.
And the live version to I'm A Loser is stellar!
BTW Stadler, if you go into The Cool Thread, the last post has a UFO/KISS connection.
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What TAC said is all good, but for me, it's the quality of the production, recording, and performances (except Cherry on the CD...not good). How they captured MS tone so well may be one of the great mysteries of the last century. :)
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What TAC said is all good,
Damn right! :lol
it's the quality of the production, recording, and performances (except Cherry on the CD...not good). How they captured MS tone so well may be one of the great mysteries of the last century. :)
What Podaar said is all good! ;D
Yes I totally agree.
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I'm listening to UFO 1 right now, Tim!
I'm trying to get reacquainted with it for when you eventually run your discography. :coolio
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I'm listening to UFO 1 right now, Tim!
I'm trying to get reacquainted with it for when you eventually run your discography. :coolio
The best part about it is it was the first time I had a song named after me, though the second one was much more popular. ;D
It'll be a while. I will not start it until I have the entire thing written. I was listening to Phenomenon last night, kind of just starting that writeup.
I've got the Bolton era out of the way. I will likely post those albums as one post. But it's been ages since I listened to those, so it was a treat just listening to them.
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They really, really, really wanted to be Cream on the first album. :lol
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They really, really, really wanted to be Cream on the first album. :lol
Can you blame them? What I find funny is that the first album is much more direct and coherent than Flying.
I love Treacle People.
Gregg, I'm expecting some major contributions from you in the UFO Discog thread.
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You, got it buddy.
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Very much looking forward to the discography. I love the Schenker years, and really like the Chapman years (though I haven't really gotten into the Moore stuff yet), but have always been curious about the era BEFORE Schenker. We're gonna find out soon enough!
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Well, like I said, I'm not starting it until it's actually done. So when I say it'll be soon, I mean:
:soon:
Seriously, we are months away!
The funny thing about The Moore era is that my overall feeling about it is that it's been disappointing, yet I recently made mix CDs of the Chapman Era and the Moore Era, and I actually enjoy the Moore one um..more.
Both UFO1 and Flying are on Spotify. Don't wait for the thread! Both are quite interesting, especially Flying's 26 minute title track!
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I am also planning on hitting the Schenker albums, especially the early ones and the last few, while I may skip over most of the 90's-00's.
I will most definitely be hitting the Waysted albums of the 80's as well.
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I am also planning on hitting the Schenker albums, especially the early ones and the last few, while I may skip over most of the 90's-00's.
I will most definitely be hitting the Waysted albums of the 80's as well.
I always thought the Unforgiven, and the live album for it were pretty good. I'd like to hear your thoughts, but if you're going to skip that era...
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Unforgiven is a highlight of that era. I won't skip it completely. I have the live album and yes, it's pretty good.
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I'd recommend not skipping any record while doing a discography. I know when I was doing the BOC thread there were a few I was tempted to skip but I forced myself to listen a minimum of 12 times and read everything I could about those records. Low and behold I found something to love (except Revolution by Night). It really expanded my personal knowledge of the band and put me in their head-space. Most importantly, after my write-up and sharing my personal feelings for the record, the responses from the readers (especially those who disagreed with me) were fascinating and quite entertaining.
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I'm not skipping any UFO albums. I may just skim over some of the Schenker albums. If I include all of them, this won't get posted until next summer. :)
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Got it.
Yeah, as far as solo work or other musical projects, they'd (perhaps) be best left for another discography. An MSG/Schenker discography, for example, would be large enterprise in itself. Fascinating though.
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I'm open to any suggestions. I'm working on Phenomenon right now. I actually don't do back to work until next Thursday. I would love to have most of the Schenker era knocked out by then. But even with that, best case is that I can do an album a week. We have the TAC Family Vacation in August so there goes that.
So there is plenty of time before it gets going. If anyone wants anything highlighted let me know.
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I'm not skipping any UFO albums. I may just skim over some of the Schenker albums. If I include all of them, this won't get posted until next summer. :)
Yeah, after thinking about it I can definitely see your point. There's a ton of albums if you cover everything. I'm assuming that you're going to want to cover the Mogg/Way albums as well. That's a really heavy work load. You also might want to consider doing more than one album a week, or else the topic is going to take quite awhile to get through.
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The Mogg/Way albums will definitely be included. They are, in essence, UFO albums.
I'm thinking it will be at least 2 albums per week. After all, it'll be a discussion amongst 4 or 5 of us anyway! :lol
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I'll check out the UFO discussion. I've listened to just about everything up to Strangers In the Night, but UFO is one of those bands where the live album is all I need. Maybe the discography discussion will help increase my appreciation for everything else.
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The Mogg/Way albums will definitely be included. They are, in essence, UFO albums.
I'm thinking it will be at least 2 albums per week. After all, it'll be a discussion amongst 4 or 5 of us anyway! :lol
Yeah, BOC turned out like that. 20 people following on the first post, two or three by the end.
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Naturally, since I pushed you into it, I'm down for the discussion. Strangers is the only album I have. They were totally off my radar growing up, and I never rectified it. So, this will be my opportunity. Very much looking forward to it, and waiting a couple of months is just fine - we've got enough great stuff underway with IM and QR already, it'll be good to have something to look forward to / continue with when either of those are done.
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At TAC's implicit suggestion, I went back and dug out "Strangers...". I had about an hour and a half in the car yesterday and that's how I spent it.
I went into it with the mindset of, "imagine you're listening to the LP of Alive! on a stereo, like you did when you were 15, and put yourself in that mindset." I can remember hearing the acoustic intro of "Rock Bottom" (Kiss's RB) with the atmosphere of the crowd and the pops of the record...
I was blown away by Strangers. I still think I'd rather hear the studio versions of those songs, but I think I get it now. I don't remember the keys being as "up" in the mix as they were yesterday, but that's a good thing, as they add texture. I can only say that "Side Two" would've smoked me as an 15 year old listening to records in my basement. So atmospheric and so full.... Mother Mary is just amazing to me, the solo to "This Kid's" is jaw-dropping, and this version is pretty much why "Love To Love" is one of my favorite UFO songs ever. (There's a riff - pretty sure it's in L2L - that is very reminiscent of something that Michael would play later in MSG).
FYI, I'm a MASSIVE MSG fan, up to the point Barden left the second time. Built To Destroy is probably my favorite of that run. List time:
1. Built To Destroy
2. MSG (the second one)
2a. Rock Will Never Die (LIVE)
3. Michael Schenker Group (the first one)
4. Assault Attack
4a. One Night At Budokan (LIVE)
5. In The Midst of Beauty
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It's understandable to like the studio versions. The rawness actually makes Schenker come off as even greater. But truly, Strangers is the signature version of these tracks.
I am definitely including the early Schenker albums as MSG, his second album, was the one that got the whole ball rolling for me. Hearing On And On on the radio was game changing, and this was well before I ever heard a lick of UFO.
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Figured I'd pop back in since I did go and grab Strangers at everyone's recommendation. It's certainly a good live album of rock and roll, and I look forward to spinning it the next time I'm hanging out and brewing on a nice Saturday. At the same time I feel like it's showing someone Die Hard for the first time now, with that person having seen so many of the action movies that have followed already. I can realize the quality and see the impact that it had, but I just don't think it can be the same for me listening to it now as it was for some of you guys who were listening to it when it first came out. I do really enjoy it, but also don't feel compelled to go out and grab any of the studio albums or dig further into the discography.
That solo section on Rock Bottom is bananas though :hat
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Yeah, that's totally fair. In many respects it's a "best of" of their most classic era. As a collection, it really is as good as it gets, even though UFO continue to release albums to this day.
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Figured I'd pop back in since I did go and grab Strangers at everyone's recommendation. It's certainly a good live album of rock and roll, and I look forward to spinning it the next time I'm hanging out and brewing on a nice Saturday. At the same time I feel like it's showing someone Die Hard for the first time now, with that person having seen so many of the action movies that have followed already. I can realize the quality and see the impact that it had, but I just don't think it can be the same for me listening to it now as it was for some of you guys who were listening to it when it first came out. I do really enjoy it, but also don't feel compelled to go out and grab any of the studio albums or dig further into the discography.
That solo section on Rock Bottom is bananas though :hat
For me it's all about MS. There are guys that can play faster, with more complexity and many other attributes. But he's so unique with his string attack, tone and overall approach to the instrument. And as you've mentioned, he's literally influenced the entire rock/metal genre' either directly, or indirectly. I still feel like there's a lot to be learned and gained by listening to those recordings. I've basically given up the instrument in recent years (hopefully only for the short term), but I still feel that I can learn a lot from hearing his approach to it just by listening. Whether it's just his string bends, or his note selection or how he uses the wah pedal to color his tone ect. ect... There's a ton of things there for the every day guitarist to sink their teeth into.
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Figured I'd pop back in since I did go and grab Strangers at everyone's recommendation. It's certainly a good live album of rock and roll, and I look forward to spinning it the next time I'm hanging out and brewing on a nice Saturday. At the same time I feel like it's showing someone Die Hard for the first time now, with that person having seen so many of the action movies that have followed already. I can realize the quality and see the impact that it had, but I just don't think it can be the same for me listening to it now as it was for some of you guys who were listening to it when it first came out. I do really enjoy it, but also don't feel compelled to go out and grab any of the studio albums or dig further into the discography.
That solo section on Rock Bottom is bananas though :hat
I can see that. I was shot down in the discussion in the Queensryche thread regarding O:M and how you had to be there at the time. I was told a great album should be a great album no matter what - and that's true to an extent. But music is always wrapped up in your life story and that has a huge effect on what hits you and what doesn't.
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Figured I'd pop back in since I did go and grab Strangers at everyone's recommendation. It's certainly a good live album of rock and roll, and I look forward to spinning it the next time I'm hanging out and brewing on a nice Saturday. At the same time I feel like it's showing someone Die Hard for the first time now, with that person having seen so many of the action movies that have followed already. I can realize the quality and see the impact that it had, but I just don't think it can be the same for me listening to it now as it was for some of you guys who were listening to it when it first came out. I do really enjoy it, but also don't feel compelled to go out and grab any of the studio albums or dig further into the discography.
That solo section on Rock Bottom is bananas though :hat
I can see that. I was shot down in the discussion in the Queensryche thread regarding O:M and how you had to be there at the time. I was told a great album should be a great album no matter what - and that's true to an extent. But music is always wrapped up in your life story and that has a huge effect on what hits you and what doesn't.
You can both be right. I can recognize Thriller for what it is today, and pass that on to my kid (who LOVES that record) but my experience will always be different than hers, because I saw that stupid 17 minute Thriller video for the first time in real time. Same with a lot of early Bowie. It's still very good, but it takes on another dimension when you were there or understand what was going on then.
The Beatles are probably the best example of this.
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I can see that. I was shot down in the discussion in the Queensryche thread regarding O:M and how you had to be there at the time. I was told a great album should be a great album no matter what - and that's true to an extent. But music is always wrapped up in your life story and that has a huge effect on what hits you and what doesn't.
I didn't exactly shoot you down... I said that I just don't always buy the theory of 'you had to be there'. Music doesn't always click - that can happen with great music whether from any era. One of the best submissions I got in one of my roulette's was W.A.S.P. It clicked right off the bat, and I didn't have to be there at the time. :biggrin:
You're spot on that the timing and events in one's life can play a huge role ... and for us 40-somethings, the stuff from the mid/late 70s to early 90s was hitting us right in the sweet spot of our formative years.
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I can see that. I was shot down in the discussion in the Queensryche thread regarding O:M and how you had to be there at the time. I was told a great album should be a great album no matter what - and that's true to an extent. But music is always wrapped up in your life story and that has a huge effect on what hits you and what doesn't.
I didn't exactly shoot you down... I said that I just don't always buy the theory of 'you had to be there'. Music doesn't always click - that can happen with great music whether from any era. One of the best submissions I got in one of my roulette's was W.A.S.P. It clicked right off the bat, and I didn't have to be there at the time. :biggrin:
You're spot on that the timing and events in one's life can play a huge role ... and for us 40-somethings, the stuff from the mid/late 70s to early 90s was hitting us right in the sweet spot of our formative years.
It was a great time - metal was blossoming. So glad I grew up then rather than now. There is just too much stuff out there. Where would you start? 😀 There are more genres of metal now than there were recording bands when I started to get into metal.
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I can see that. I was shot down in the discussion in the Queensryche thread regarding O:M and how you had to be there at the time. I was told a great album should be a great album no matter what - and that's true to an extent. But music is always wrapped up in your life story and that has a huge effect on what hits you and what doesn't.
I didn't exactly shoot you down... I said that I just don't always buy the theory of 'you had to be there'. Music doesn't always click - that can happen with great music whether from any era. One of the best submissions I got in one of my roulette's was W.A.S.P. It clicked right off the bat, and I didn't have to be there at the time. :biggrin:
You're spot on that the timing and events in one's life can play a huge role ... and for us 40-somethings, the stuff from the mid/late 70s to early 90s was hitting us right in the sweet spot of our formative years.
It was a great time - metal was blossoming. So glad I grew up then rather than now. There is just too much stuff out there. Where would you start? 😀 There are more genres of metal now than there were recording bands when I started to get into metal.
There are times that I wish I had been born in the early-mid 60s, so I could have appreciated the 70s as it was unfolding.
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@ Powerslave...or anyone else that cares to weigh in, though I'm looking for a guitarist's POV.
Are you familiar with the Vinnie Moore era UFO albums, and if so, what do you think of them, of Vinnie's playing?
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@ Powerslave...or anyone else that cares to weigh in, though I'm looking for a guitarist's POV.
Are you familiar with the Vinnie Moore era UFO albums, and if so, what do you think of them, of Vinnie's playing?
I haven't explored them. I was going to follow along on the upcoming discography thread, and try to check them out that way.
I will say this, though. I seen MSG on the Unforgiven tour in Columbus, Ohio at the infamous Al Rosa Villa. Vinnie was the opening act and he was using the MSG touring band as his band. Basically they would just leave their stuff setup between the sets, and only have to remove Vinnie's stuff to have the MSG stage setup. I'm guessing that they did this to keep costs under control. His playing was excellent to say the least, but it wasn't exactly my kind of thing because a great deal of his set was instrumental if I remember correctly. I can only take instrumental music in small pieces at a time, but it was easy to recognize his talent.
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Wow, that's interesting.
I actually saw Vinnie Moore open for Rush in in 1991. Somehow we met him after the show and he signed my ticket. I have very little memory of it, however.
I haven't explored them. I was going to follow along on the upcoming discography thread, and try to check them out that way.
I will likely plant a few tracks here and there before then. Likely in the next few days. Be on the lookout..
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The more that I think about it, I might be wrong about what tour that was. I remember them pushing something about a "Michael Schenker Life" tour, or album. It's been awhile, though. I remember the singer being the guy that was on The Unforgiven, though. I really liked that guys voice. When we pulled up to the venue there was some Mercedes suv out back by the stage door, and I seen Michael getting out of it with with some woman that had long light-brown hair. It might have been the manager/girlfriend that ended up ripping him off a year or two later.
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Big UFO fan here. I really LOVE all Schenker albums (minus Covenant - hit and miss- and Sharks - it's not good IMO)and all Paul Chapman albums. I never heard UFO 1 and 2 and I like a lot Misdemeanor and Dangerous Men. I'm not a big fan of Moore's albums, maybe a bit too much blues rock style (I miss the more oriented hard rock style from 70's and 80's), although I think there's a lot of great songs on them. Some I suggest to hear from this era (one by album):
Baby Blue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no1MUOEUeV0 (By the way, one of my favorite UFO songs, ever. UFO always made great "ballads" IMO);
Drink Too Much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymtobnaPolM (another beautiful ballad);
Hell Driver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDMt4aDfZG0;
Wonderland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8OmwQhBIU8 (very Chapman era);
Run Boy Run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtvCZr-MIyM.
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Wow, that's interesting.
I actually saw Vinnie Moore open for Rush in in 1991. Somehow we met him after the show and he signed my ticket. I have very little memory of it, however.
My experience exactly. I was writing down some shows so I don't forget them (with openers and such) and "Vinnie Moore" was in that category of "huh, I saw him? Opening for Rush? Huh. I wonder if it was good?" :)
(Interestingly, I've also seen Radiohead as an opener, which I vaguely recall being bored to tears, and I realized I've seen Rusted Root something like six times, go figure!)
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Drink Too Much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymtobnaPolM (another beautiful ballad);
Hell yes! Vinnie is awesome in this, and when I said I'd plant a few Vinnie tunes in the thread, I was definitely going to plant Drink Too Much. Love Vinnie's playing and this track is a true highlight of the Moore era.
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I am a huge Vinnie fan but haven't really enjoyed the UFO albums with him. They're ok but nothing more.
The first one with him they recycled a few of his instrumental tracks and put vocals on them and that pissed me off.
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I am a huge Vinnie fan but haven't really enjoyed the UFO albums with him. They're ok but nothing more.
The first one with him they recycled a few of his instrumental tracks and put vocals on them and that pissed me off.
Oh really? I would love to hear more about that. You Are here is definitely the heaviest.
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I am a huge Vinnie fan but haven't really enjoyed the UFO albums with him. They're ok but nothing more.
The first one with him they recycled a few of his instrumental tracks and put vocals on them and that pissed me off.
It wasn't just the first album with him - that song just posted, 'Drink too much', is Vinnie's tune 'In the blink of an eye' from his Defying Gravity album.
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I am a huge Vinnie fan but haven't really enjoyed the UFO albums with him. They're ok but nothing more.
The first one with him they recycled a few of his instrumental tracks and put vocals on them and that pissed me off.
Oh really? I would love to hear more about that. You Are here is definitely the heaviest.
With a quick listen, I actually enjoyed the UFO album more than I remembered now I've got over the recycling :angry:
When Daylight Goes To Town is Ridin' high
Baby Blue is she's only sleeping
Black cold coffee is emotion overload
Slipping Away is Echoes
I think if you have more familiarity with the UFO album, if you give Vinnie Out of Control and Defying Gravity albums a listen you'll hear plenty of the riffs and melodies from You Are Here.
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With a quick listen, I actually enjoyed the UFO album more than I remembered now I've got over the recycling :angry:
When Daylight Goes To Town is Ridin' high
Baby Blue is she's only sleeping
Black cold coffee is emotion overload
Slipping Away is Echoes
I think if you have more familiarity with the UFO album, if you give Vinnie Out of Control and Defying Gravity albums a listen you'll hear plenty of the riffs and melodies from You Are Here.
Awesome. I wasn't calling you out, Paul, I will definitely go through those.
It wasn't just the first album with him - that song just posted, 'Drink too much', is Vinnie's tune 'In the blink of an eye' from his Defying Gravity album.
Oh wow! I will check that out.
I don't own a single Vinnie Moore album, nor have I heard a lick of any of it. That is totally interesting.
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I've been a Vinnie fan since the Vicious Rumors album he played on. All his solo albums are awesome, and they are all different from one another too. So much melody even when he's shredding it up. I always thought he could've done a prog metal band album back in the day, but he's gone blusier over the years.
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I've been a Vinnie fan since the Vicious Rumors album he played on. All his solo albums are awesome, and they are all different from one another too. So much melody even when he's shredding it up. I always thought he could've done a prog metal band album back in the day, but he's gone blusier over the years.
Ditto. Time Odyssey is the best instrumental guitar album of the era (1988 release) in my opinion. I've followed VM's career since, and only got into UFO by virtue of him being in the band. He's definitely gone blusier these days, but for me he's best when he's in full neoclassical shred mode. His instructional videos were awesome, back in the day.
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Mind's Eye is the best for me. But ME, Time Odyssey and Meltdown are three very different albums but all awesome.
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Mind's Eye is the best for me. But ME, Time Odyssey and Meltdown are three very different albums but all awesome.
Meltdown for me - I liked the move to a more regular rock (vs neoclassical) sound - but they're all good in their own way. Better production on Meltdown too.
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Mind's Eye is the best for me. But ME, Time Odyssey and Meltdown are three very different albums but all awesome.
Meltdown for me - I liked the move to a more regular rock (vs neoclassical) sound - but they're all good in their own way. Better production on Meltdown too.
That's a good sign. Three opinions, all going for a different album. Says something about the quality.
Of the rest, The Maze and Defying Gravity are excellent but I was never that happy with Out of nowhere. It seemed short and lacked something. Some good stuff there still though.
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I know it's the Moore era being talked about... but I randomly put on "Force It" yesterday while at the zoo (well, Wal-Mart) and man is that a good record. From "Out In The Street" on, it's just killer.
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I know it's the Moore era being talked about... but I randomly put on "Force It" yesterday while at the zoo (well, Wal-Mart) and man is that a good record. From "Out In The Street" on, it's just killer.
Force It is my favorite UFO album. Hard-hitting and consistent throughout.
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I know it's the Moore era being talked about... but I randomly put on "Force It" yesterday while at the zoo (well, Wal-Mart) and man is that a good record. From "Out In The Street" on, it's just killer.
Force It is my favorite UFO album. Hard-hitting and consistent throughout.
Great album but I can't stand this version of Let It Roll due to the vocals. The SitN version has much more life.
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I know it's the Moore era being talked about... but I randomly put on "Force It" yesterday while at the zoo (well, Wal-Mart) and man is that a good record. From "Out In The Street" on, it's just killer.
Any rock'n tune that randomly throws out silent movie actors names is fantastic by me! :biggrin:
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I know it's the Moore era being talked about... but I randomly put on "Force It" yesterday while at the zoo (well, Wal-Mart) and man is that a good record. From "Out In The Street" on, it's just killer.
Force It is my favorite UFO album. Hard-hitting and consistent throughout.
Gee, thanks for finally playing! ;D
Force It is AWESOME. I have always had a soft spot for Too Much Of Nothing. Awesome deep track.
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Well, like I said, I'm not starting it until it's actually done. So when I say it'll be soon, I mean:
:soon:
Seriously, we are months away!
The funny thing about The Moore era is that my overall feeling about it is that it's been disappointing, yet I recently made mix CDs of the Chapman Era and the Moore Era, and I actually enjoy the Moore one um..more.
Both UFO1 and Flying are on Spotify. Don't wait for the thread! Both are quite interesting, especially Flying's 26 minute title track!
It's a different animal, but you still get Mogg, Way, and Parker. Mick Bolton was a decent blues and psychedelic player with a lot of effects utilized. It's some spacey stuff at times, but otherwise more blues based. I enjoy both those albums and the Live in Japan album as well. Phenomenon is my favorite studio album overall. I enjoy the Vinnie era albums, but the songs just aren't as strong as the Schenker and Chapman era albums.
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Hey, welcome to DTF and honored to have your first post in The UFO Thread!
Speaking of Phenomenon, obviously there's Rock Bottom, but I love Time On My Hands. That Schenker solo is amazing.
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Thanks.
That entire Phenomenon record is amazing. Rock Bottom and Doctor Doctor were favorites of everyone's and rightly so especially live. But man I love Time on My Hands, Crystal Light, Space Child, Built for Comfort, Queen of the deep. Great, Great record. Probably my favorite.
And I'm one of those fans that have liked all incarnations of the band pretty much. I like Misdemeanor quite a bit with Atomic Tommy. The Ain't Misbehavin EP is a stretch but everything else I enjoy. Paul Chapman's pre UFO band Lonestar is worth checking out as well.
They're top 10 for me of my all time bands. I probably know about as much about this band as anybody on here. Sadly I've only got to see them live three times, but #4 will be in September ;D
I can say I got to see them with Michael too, back in, what was it 95, on the Walk on Water Tour.
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Thanks.
That entire Phenomenon record is amazing. Rock Bottom and Doctor Doctor were favorites of everyone's and rightly so especially live. But man I love Time on My Hands, Crystal Light, Space Child, Built for Comfort, Queen of the deep. Great, Great record. Probably my favorite.
And I'm one of those fans that have liked all incarnations of the band pretty much. I like Misdemeanor quite a bit with Atomic Tommy. The Ain't Misbehavin EP is a stretch but everything else I enjoy. Paul Chapman's pre UFO band Lonestar is worth checking out as well.
They're top 10 for me of my all time bands. I probably know about as much about this band as anybody on here. Sadly I've only got to see them live three times, but #4 will be in September ;D
I can say I got to see them with Michael too, back in, what was it 95, on the Walk on Water Tour.
Love Misdemeanor. I remember buying it in the Import Bin. The UK version was so much better. I also love all incarnations. UFO is in my 3 way tie for all time favorite band.
I've only seen them twice, in '86 and in 2011. Unfortunately the WoW tour did not come to Boston or Providence.
I was able to see Pete Way and Paul Chapman once, in Waysted in '87 opening for Iron Maiden.
I've only seen Schenker twice, in '97 opening for Rush, and on his acoustic tour in '92,
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A lot of people dog Misdemeanor for being too commercial, and it was, but some very catchy and cool songs I agree, I still enjoy that record very much.
Waysted was way cool too, Fin was excellent. I believe I have everything that has been released of their early incarnations. Vices and The Good, The Bad, and the Waysted are awesome records. The EP and Save Your Prayers were good too.
Love Loaded, Women in Chains, Won't Get Out Alive, Hang em High, Dead on Your Legs, Great stuff. and their version of Chuck Berry's Around and Around kicked ass.
I saw them live as an opener back around that time myself, at the Spectrum in Philly. It may have been that Maiden tour which I believe was the Seventh Son Tour am I right? but yeah I did get to see them and as far back as then I was a huge UFO fan, I believe I got into UFO around freshman year of high school back in 83, so I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Waysted, since I wouldn't get a chance to see UFO till 1995.
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A lot of people dog Misdemeanor for being too commercial, and it was, but some very catchy and cool songs I agree, I still enjoy that record very much.
There are some great tunes..Wreckless, Heaven's Gate, Meanstreets, Name Of Love, Dream The Dream..hell yes!!
Waysted was way cool too, Fin was excellent. I believe I have everything that has been released of their early incarnations. Vices and The Good, The Bad, and the Waysted are awesome records. The EP and Save Your Prayers were good too.
Love Loaded, Women in Chains, Won't Get Out Alive, Hang em High, Dead on Your Legs, Great stuff. and their version of Chuck Berry's Around and Around kicked ass.
I love love love those albums. TGTBTW is one of my favorite albums of all time. All time! My favorite tracks are The Land That's Lost The Love and Manuel. I quoted Crazy 'Bout The Stuff next to my picture in my high school year book ('86).
"Try everything twice just in case there was something that you missed. I don't say I know it all, but I tell you, hey I've been through the list" - Pete Way
I saw them live as an opener back around that time myself, at the Spectrum in Philly. It may have been that Maiden tour which I believe was the Seventh Son Tour am I right?
Somewhere In Time.
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Tim if you ever get a chance can you do your complete UFO album rankings favorite to least
I will!
My Top 3 though are:
No Heavy Petting
The Wild The Willing And The Innocent
Walk On Water
Very surprised to read that these are your three top picks, but that shows just how big of a UFO fan you are. The Wild The Willing and the Innocent is a GREAT album. I love that album. All of side one is fantastic and love Making Moves and Profession of Violence from side two.
My favorites from No Heavy Petting would be Natural Thing, Reasons Love, Highway Lady and On With The Action.
My top 5 would be:
Phenomenon
Lights Out
No Place To Run
The Wild, The Willing, and the Innocent
Force It
After that it gets really difficult but Making Contact would probably be next in line.
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Making Contact is down on my list. It beats most of the Moore albums but not much else.
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I remember when High Stakes came out. I was so happy Way and Mogg were together. They also did a cool b-side of Long Gone.
This lineup also recorded the Lights Out In Tokyo live album, which is f'n A Awesome! Laurence Archer slays on it, and the energy is incredible. Even on tracks like Love To Love and Lights Out, Archer rules. UFO has commercially released so many live albums and Lights Out In Tokyo ranks right up there.
Agreed great live record :metal and I liked Runnin Up The Highway, and that Long Gone b side from High Stakes, overall not a bad record. Not one I pull out regularly nut it has some cool tracks/
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So, I finished the Pete Way book. UFO has been a favorite band of mine since I was a kid, and Pete Way, in particular, has always been fascinating to me. I LOVED the Waysted albums in the 80's. Loved them. I was interested in his story, as I remember when his wife passed away, but I was more interested in the "Rock History" part of it as it related to UFO, Fastway, , Ozzy, Waysted, the Schenker reunion, and so on.
It's told in the first person, with a co author. Ace's book was the same way, but I felt Ace's book was so embellished by the co author, it didn't even feel like a legit autobiography.
Way's book feels a lot closer to his own words than Ace's, but the more I read, the more I could feel the co author's work.
Anyway, I thought of Paul's quote while reading this.
And Ace. No Regrets? Well he fucking well should have! Wasted his talent, hurt his loved ones. Dick head.
There is nothing redeeming or sympathetic about Pete Way. He actually was pretty pathetic. He seemed to be able to pull people in with a personal charm. Even in pictures, he seemed like a cool guy to hang out with. And he probably was. But he let his life be ruled by drugs and alcohol. 6 wives. Cheated on all of them. His kids, by different wives grew up without him.
I cannot believe the amount of drugs he did. His 5th wife, Joanna, was a doctor, and she wrote prescriptions for both of them. She ended up ODing. I seriously cannot believe this guy is alive. Most people would be dead by now doing what he did.
Very cool, this book snuck out without me hearing about it. So do you give this a good endorsement to purchase. I'm getting mixed vibes from you ;D did you recommend this book as a good read for a UFO diehard?
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The book is a Must Read. He takes you through in and out of every record. Love the whole leaving UFO/Fastway/Ozzy/Waysted era. Very interesting to read how everything went down.
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From the first album my top picks for people to check out would be,
Boogie for George, C'mon Everybody, Come Away Melinda, Treacle People, Who Do You Love and Evil. All of those songs are worth a listen, if for no other reason than to get an idea of the band's beginnings.
I love the Flying album. I know I'm in the minority but I totally dig the guitar effects and psychedelic jamming on Star Storm and Flying but it certainly obviously isn't for everyone ;D
This lineups live album, UFO Live /Live in Japan is an easier listen to digest more of a direct bluesy rock album that I very much enjoy.
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The book is a Must Read. He takes you through in and out of every record. Love the whole leaving UFO/Fastway/Ozzy/Waysted era. Very interesting to read how everything went down.
Nice cool, I 'll be ordering this tonight if it is available. Thanks
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Making Contact is down on my list. It beats most of the Moore albums but not much else.
Making contact is my favourite Chapman era album. I know this album is viewed for many as a low point, but I really like Neil Carter's influence on it.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0744MR25X/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1500940597&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ufo&dpPl=1&dpID=61i6s8xSxJL&ref=plSrch
New album of covers
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0744MR25X/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1500940597&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ufo&dpPl=1&dpID=61i6s8xSxJL&ref=plSrch
New album of covers
I'm a sucker for these cover albums as long as it is a band I totally worship such as this band. I will definitely pick this up. I like most of the tracks selected for this, IMO though, this would have been so much better done some years back when Phil had a little more wind in his sail, but I'm sure it will be a great listen none the less :metal
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I'll buy that for Rock Candy alone. Phil Mogg singing that? GTFO.
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I'll give it a listen to see what Vinnie does with the material but not essential for me.
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It'll be a release day purchase, but honestly, I'm not all that hyped over it. Any album with Phil Mogg is worth getting.
We're actually seeing them the night this is released. If they drop Let It Roll for Break On Through, I'm not going to be happy.
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It'll be a release day purchase, but honestly, I'm not all that hyped over it. Any album with Phil Mogg is worth getting.
We're actually seeing them the night this is released. If they drop Let It Roll for Break On Through, I'm not going to be happy.
I am shocked they are covering River of Deceit. That is a very odd, left field choice.
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I've never heard of it. Who did the original?
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Mad Season, a nineties side project featuring Layne Staley and Mike McCready
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Oh, ok. I wasn't paying any attention to what those guys and their bands were up to. I do know that Mike McCready has a UFO cover band, right? One of their shows turned up on Dime a few weeks ago.
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TAC, check that out. It's really good. Mellow, but good. If I recall, Temple Of The Dog did a Mad Season song when I saw them in MSG.
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TAC, check that out. It's really good. Mellow, but good. If I recall, Temple Of The Dog did a Mad Season song when I saw them in MSG.
I just did. It's ok. Would much rather hear Phil Mogg on it.
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Saw UFO and Saxon last night in Philly at the TLA, Awesome show. Saxon was great Biff hasn't lost any of his vocal power after all these years, it was the first time I ever saw Saxon and they delivered. pretty enthusiastic crowd for their set, which was great to see. Most of the crowd definitely did not want to miss these guys and it was apparent.
Both front men displayed some great stage banter and English humor, especially Phil Mogg from UFO. Blistering set of hits from UFO and they killed it. Sounded great. Awesome show, crowd was into the UFO set from the opening note and they got more and more into it with each song. Was really great to see and the band looked very receptive to the crowd reaction and seemed to really be having a great time.
If you get the chance, I don't know how many shows are left on this North American run, but do yourself a favor and go see this one! :metal
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Went to the show in Worcester, but left before UFO..long story...babysitter, long ride home, etc..
As much as I love UFO and Phil Mogg, I lived. I really wanted to Saxon. Last time I saw them was 1988. I'll post pics in the Hard Rock thread today.
Anyone check out their cover album, The Salentino Cuts? I must say I was not excited for this. Why on earth would UFO do this, I have no idea. Do we really need cover versions of Break On Through? It's My Life?
The only tracks I really enjoyed were Paper In Fire and Too Rolling Stoned.
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Went to the show in Worcester, but left before UFO..long story...babysitter, long ride home, etc..
As much as I love UFO and Phil Mogg, I lived. I really wanted to Saxon. Last time I saw them was 1988. I'll post pics in the Hard Rock thread today.
Anyone check out their cover album, The Salentino Cuts? I must say I was not excited for this. Why on earth would UFO do this, I have no idea. Do we really need cover versions of Break On Through? It's My Life?
The only tracks I really enjoyed were Paper In Fire and Too Rolling Stoned.
I played some of it on Spotify yesterday. If not for Vinnie Moore I wouldn't have bothered. It was how you would expect and with a fairly bland batch of old standards it's not very exciting. Enjoyed Vinnie tjough.
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Even after all this time, this still seems like an odd band for Vinnie to be in.
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Been following along Stadler's Michael Schenker thread, which inspired me to pull out old UFO and MSG albums.
I know he and Mogg had a stormy relationship, but i feel like Schenker was underappreciated by them while he was in the band. Almost as if he were in the band, but just not quite. I'm sure it had something to do with being the lone Teuton in a band of Brits...but I find the album cover for Obsession to be quite telling.
Anyhow, I've been listening to my UFO Official Live Bootleg boxset, which has a bunch of discs from both the Schenker and Chapman eras. I like the tunes on the Chapman studio albums well enough but when I play these live discs side by side, holy shit! Chapman couldn't hold Schenker's jockstrap! Since it seems that Chapman couldn't handle the extended live jams that Schenker did, I love how they resorted to playing snippets of Zeppelin riffs instead.
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I know he and Mogg had a stormy relationship, but i feel like Schenker was underappreciated by them while he was in the band. Almost as if he were in the band, but just not quite. I'm sure it had something to do with being the lone Teuton in a band of Brits...but I find the album cover for Obsession to be quite telling.
Schenker was definitely underappreciated. He was very serious while the other guys were really immature. It would always be their tragic flaw. Plus Schenker was younger.
Schenker likes playing lead over a rhythm track, so one thing they did do for him was hire a 5th member. They brought in keyboardist Danny Peyronel for No Heavy Petting, but ultimately it wasn't heavy enough. He preferred someone who could also play rhythm guitar, so they brought in Paul Raymond.
As Lights Out broke in America, it really freaked Schenker out. He was never driven by being famous. I have always felt that if the leadership within the band were stronger (read:not a bunch of clowns), Schenker may have had that "shoulder to lean on". If Steve Harris, and not Pete Way, was the bassist, maybe Schenker never bolts.
I think Schenker is enigmatic for sure, but in may ways, I can't blame him for jumping off what was increasingly becoming a rudderless ship.
Anyhow, I've been listening to my UFO Official Live Bootleg boxset, which has a bunch of discs from both the Schenker and Chapman eras. I like the tunes on the Chapman studio albums well enough but when I play these live discs side by side, holy shit! Chapman couldn't hold Schenker's jockstrap! Since it seems that Chapman couldn't handle the extended live jams that Schenker did, I love how they resorted to playing snippets of Zeppelin riffs instead.
This is a GREAT box set.
When I hear people say they prefer the Chapman Era to the Schenker Era, it just feels like they are romanticising some era of their youth. Other than The Wild The Willing And The Innocent, which is a Top 3 UFO album for me, the other three Chapman albums are quite uneven and you can fell the fractures within the band.
But live, Chapman couldn't hold Schenker's water in those days. I mean, he'll never be able to, but those tours were heroin and booze filled jaunts. But what I do love about the Chapman shows is that it is brash bad boy guitar playing.
Chapman's playing on the two Waysted albums he played on is much better.
Which actually leads me to this....
Last year I made a Chapman Era mix CD and a Moore Era mix CD. Now I will say that the Vinnie Moore Era has been very disappointing. They have basically become a heavier version of The Rolling Stones, BUT, I'll take the Top 12-15 Moore Era tracks over the Top 12-15 Chapman Era tracks.
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Even after all this time, this still seems like an odd band for Vinnie to be in.
He’s probably my favourite guitarist but he hasn’t brought anything to UFO. The Moore albums have been pretty bland and the first one had recycled riffs from Vinnie solo albums, but the instrumentals were miles better.
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I didn't say this before, but I have a new appreciation for Schenker's playing after seeing him live, but there's also the undeniable feeling that he's an odd guy. Obviously that's not an informed statement, as I've never met him or spoke to him but it was just... I get that bands don't have to be friends, and I certainly get that being in a band on tour is a business first, but it just seemed... odd.
On stage, he came out first and came to the mic to say something like "Hello, I am lead guitarist, Michael Schenker!" During the show, there was almost ZERO interaction with the other members of the band (though the singers would congregate in the center of the stage, in a line like it was a Live Aid singalong). Then after the show there were two busses out front of the venue, and Gary Barden was in one, and Bonnet, McAuley, McKenna and Glenn were in the other (I didn't see what bus Doogie got on) and supposedly Michael was the first one out the venue and into a cab to go god knows where. I spoke to Barden, Glen and McKenna. It was McKenna's birthday, so the discussion with him was all about that. Glen was nice enough, but some fan kept pestering him to tell him what village in Scotland he was from ("I'm from Edinburgh"; "I know, Chris, but what VILLAGE?" Even when Chris told him, he kept asking, it was weird). He said a couple things that sort of gave the indication that this was fun, and it was good to be a part of, but with it's difficulties. I've already said that Doogie looked almost like he wanted to cry, and as nice as Gary was, even he seemed weary of it. I actually asked him how many more dates and if he was enjoying it, and he said "about 20" and that he was enjoying it, but then he changed the topic to the weather (I shit you not).
It seems to me that for whatever reason, the controversy and drama surrounds Michael. I don't at all think that's a coincidence.
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Well, except the only controversy and drama that surrounded Schenker was when he left UFO.
...and when he rejoined, and when he left, and when he rejoined, and then when he left again in 1998. ;D
I mean, he's enigmatic for sure, but I don't recall anyone really having issues with him. He has gone through a ton of band members over the years, but I read an interview with him and it's comes down to keeping people on the payroll rather that "issues".
Stadler, you mention the lack of interaction, and Bravewords reviewed a show where they said the same thing. When I saw him, I'm not sure I felt that way. He went to McKenna's riser a number of times, and he was certainly warm enough with his vocalists. Still, he kind of maintains his own space. Thankfully, I knew what side of the stage he is on, and bought my seats accordingly. He maybe once went to the other side of the stage. As a fan, I'd find that aggravating, but I didn't see any issues within the band. They all actually looked like they really enjoying themselves.
And then there's Doogie, who totally gives off the vibe that he is not into this retro thing. And I can't blame him. These last couple Schenker albums he's done with Doogie have been his best since the 80's.
But no argument here on Schenker being an oddball. But he finally, and I''m talking for most of this decade, he finally seems happy and comfortable with his place.
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Have you read the stuff Schenker has been saying about his brother recently? Certainly no love lost there.
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Have you read the stuff Schenker has been saying about his brother recently? Certainly no love lost there.
"My sister said to me Rudolf is a greedy wanker - it raised concern and when they approached me with a 2015 Scorpions re-issue of Lovedrive and presented a completely false bio for the album I was very disappointed. They lied about everything. I was the one who helped them out and opened the doors for America for the Scorpions. It wasn't them helping me. I had a contract for Lovedrive as a sixth member of the band, there should have been a picture in there of me, they should have mentioned I wrote the intro to "Holiday" and the song "Coast To Coast", which I gave my writing credits to Rudolf. Why does Rudolf play a black and white guitar? Why does he dye his hair white? Rudolf was pretending to be me. Do you think Rudolf gives anybody his share in songwriting? Rudolf Schenker is a desperate wannabe who rips his brother off. Rudolf cannot play guitar believe me."
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNX_gYyVxng
At 2:13 ish..."what was the point?" :lol
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Christmas must be fun round their place 😀
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Michael has always come across as the wanker to me. He seems to always be the one bitching about something or someone.
I haven’t followed him that closely, but his public image kinda puts him on the same level as Yngwie.
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How so? He's doesn't have the reputation of being difficult to work with. I mean, he and Phil Mogg have a love/hate relationship, but that's about it, as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure when Michael Schenker has ever come off as a wanker. Enigmatic, for sure. Wanker? Nah.
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How so? He's doesn't have the reputation of being difficult to work with. I mean, he and Phil Mogg have a love/hate relationship, but that's about it, as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure when Michael Schenker has ever come off as a wanker. Enigmatic, for sure. Wanker? Nah.
Maybe wanker is the wrong word. Maybe I'm misinformed, but I have gotten the impression that he is incredibly difficult to work with. Have you seen the list of musicians who have been in MSG? And how many of those musicians have LLLLOOONNNGGGG tenures in the band? But I've always heard that he was a real jerk who was always whining about how Rudy was more popular than he was. But again, maybe I'm misinformed. But I always got the feeling he really resents Rudolf very deeply....and that it was more Michael's sour grapes than Rudy's actually shafting him.
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Like I said, the number of members often comes down to steady work and payroll issues. He has spoken about that.
He's not difficult in the way that Yngwie is, where people come away from him thinking he's a jerk. Just the opposite in fact.
Michael has had his share of personal issues, but being a jerk or an egomaniac isn't one of them.
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Yeah, I'd have to think that if he was really that difficult then his current tour never could have happened. Can you imagine getting four different lead singers on board, and the rest of the band are all former members from various points in the band's career. No way that happens if he's a difficult person to work with. On the contrary, the show that they're touring with takes a ton of cooperation with everyone involved.
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Again, I have no inside information, but the guys on stage were having a blast. Chris Glen was like a kid at Christmas, no shit. The only one that didn't seem thrilled was Doogie and TAC spoke to that. I don't get "difficult", but I do get "odd". No judgment from that, people are who people are, but it takes a certain kind of psyche - as we all know too well from our host band - to be a "constant" celebrity, and I don't think Michael has that.
I think TAC has it exactly right; he's got his share of personal issues, but it's not "jerk" or "egomaniac", which Yngwie certainly is; he didn't interact much with his band either, but his band was pushed literally into the corner of the stage - seriously - and Yngwie had literally 80% of the stage - including center stage - all to himself.
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I think Schenker's lack of ego, for a lack of a better word, has worked against him in his entire body of work. If anything, he has catered too much to a band format, or a songwriting format.
If he had simply made guitar "hero" (not a reference to the video game) albums, he'd kill almost everybody. Just live, watching him play Let Sleeping Dogs Lie, or Save Yourself, it totally showcases his talent.
Even listening to his modern solos, he is constantly tinkering with sounds, yet he continues to maintain his defining sense of melody and style.
Yeah, I'd have to think that if he was really that difficult then his current tour never could have happened. Can you imagine getting four different lead singers on board, and the rest of the band are all former members from various points in the band's career. No way that happens if he's a difficult person to work with. On the contrary, the show that they're touring with takes a ton of cooperation with everyone involved.
Even though on stage, he kind of keeps to himself, I felt nothing but a sense of graciousness emitting from him for both the audience, as well as the band.
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I agree with TAC's last point; it was a fan friendly show, no doubt, though it was more the singers and Chris Glen (who did most of the introducing and talking).
It is amazing to me how distinctive Michael's sound really is. I never really realized it until recently. I pretty much think he's one of about eight or ten guys I can tell right away who it is. That's no small feat these days.
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I put on Lights Out this morning when I got to the office...background music, you know.
I literally can't work. I just sit mesmerized just as if I was that sixteen-year-old kid again hearing it for the first time. Nevison's production was perfect for UFO. Lush and high quality but the heaviness shows through when needed...and I know I'm sounding like a broken record but that touch of echo he put on Michael's lead sound is just too tasty.
I love the flow of side one particularly. A bouncy rocker to start, the brilliant Just Another Suicide for contrast, the heart-wrenching ballad of Try Me then on to the fast acid rock of Lights Out.
Gotta go, side two is starting!
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https://bravewords.com/news/ufo-frontman-phil-mogg-to-step-down-after-50th-anniversary-tour-this-is-the-right-time-for-me-to-quit
:omg:
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I agree with TAC's last point; it was a fan friendly show, no doubt, though it was more the singers and Chris Glen (who did most of the introducing and talking).
It is amazing to me how distinctive Michael's sound really is. I never really realized it until recently. I pretty much think he's one of about eight or ten guys I can tell right away who it is. That's no small feat these days.
I can’t tell who any of the new guitarists are by listening. They do all sound the same. Tones on tap these days - no one has to come up with their own.
And Schenker always so7nds l8ke Schenker
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So Paul Raymond passed away the other day. I finally have a chance to post on it.
My 8th Grade school year is '81-'82. At that time, I was already very into hard rock. The big bands at the time were AC/DC, Van Halen, and Rush. I also discovered Def Leppard's High n Dry during this time, which is a pivotal album for me.
But one song in particular always stopped me dead in my tracks when I heard it on the radio. It was a hard rock tune, but it was also backed up by an elegant brilliance. To me, this song, On And On, by The Michael Schenker Group is about as close to a perfect song as I've ever heard.
As soon as I heard those airy keyboards setting the mood, it filled me with anticipation. The fluttering keyboards behind the chorus was breathtaking, and its sound was an addictive drug. I got MSG for Christmas in 1981. It would literally define my musical life.
I honestly consider it one of the most important albums in my life.
A couple months later I traded a Led Zeppelin pin to a kid on my hockey team for the Obsession and Strangers In The Night albums.
Strangers In the Night is a classic, but my favorite moments on the album have as much to do with Paul Raymond as Michael Schenker.
The intros to Love To Love and I'm A Loser are captivating. The interplay between Paul and Michael during Rock Bottom is so fantastic. To me, it's perfection.
I feel like with all of the (deserved) accolades for Michael Schenker, the zaniness of Pete Way, and the well, whatever it is Phil Mogg has...
...but the forgotten man is Paul Raymond. He was responsible for performing the music that was so important to me. It was the true soundtrack to my high school years.
I only saw UFO twice. Once in 1986, and again in 2011.
Here are a few pics that I took of Paul Raymond:
June 14, 1986
The Living Room,
Providence, RI
(https://i.imgur.com/i8NoGyO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PnD0Fix.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/J8chFRF.jpg)
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Strangers In the Night is a classic, but my favorite moments on the album have as much to do with Paul Raymond as Michael Schenker.
The intros to Love To Love and I'm A Loser are captivating. The interplay between Paul and Michael during Rock Bottom is so fantastic. To me, it's perfection.
I feel like with all of the (deserved) accolades for Michael Schenker, the zaniness of Pete Way, and the well, whatever it is Phil Mogg has...
...but the forgotten man is Paul Raymond. He was responsible for performing the music that was so important to me. It was the true soundtrack to my high school years.
This...exactly. I wrote something similar in another thread (although UFO isn't as significant for me as for you, SITN is still no worse than my second or third favorite live album by anyone).
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TAC, I'm totally with you on that MSG/UFO love, and having seen most of the original band play those MSG songs not long ago in NY, it was clear how much Raymond brought to the table. He wasn't there, so it was good, but it was missing something.
And as far as SITN goes, it took a long time to quite get what the fuss was about. And what made me get it was that side two of the first record: Mother Mary into This Kid's into that epic intro to what's probably my favorite UFO song, Love To Love.
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Misty green and bluuuuuue!
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I’m listening to “Try Me” and Paul playing his piano. God, this sucks. :'(
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It's official. Neil Carter will fill in for the rest UFO's final tour.
http://bravewords.com/news/ufo-s-2019-tour-will-continue-neil-carter-returns-for-the-late-paul-raymond
I'm happy with this.
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I did an interview with Vinnie Moore this week. We spoke about his new album, the upcoming tour with UFO, opening for Rush in the Roll the Bones tour, his friendship with Jordan and much more: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-vinnie-moore/
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Thanks for posting that Rodrigo. Vinnie is such a cool guy. I appreciate the info on why he left Alice Cooper's band. I saw that tour twice and they were killer. His band was Greg Smith, Stef Burns, Eric Singer, Derek Sherinian, and of course Vinnie.
I also saw him open for Rush, and we met him after the show. He signed my Rush ticket:
(https://i.imgur.com/1UTR85G.jpg)
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Thanks for posting that Rodrigo. Vinnie is such a cool guy. I appreciate the info on why he left Alice Cooper's band. I saw that tour twice and they were killer. His band was Greg Smith, Stef Burns, Eric Singer, Derek Sherinian, and of course Vinnie.
That's a killer band, man. Wow.
I also saw him open for Rush, and we met him after the show. He signed my Rush ticket:
(https://i.imgur.com/1UTR85G.jpg)
I LITERALLY spent $19.50 on two drinks at the Steve Hackett show the other night.
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I did an interview with Vinnie Moore this week. We spoke about his new album, the upcoming tour with UFO, opening for Rush in the Roll the Bones tour, his friendship with Jordan and much more: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-vinnie-moore/
I had tickets to the Alice tour and was really only going to see Vinnie. He’s my favourite guitar player of all time. I was so gutted when I got to the gig, the band comes out and Vinnie isn’t there. This was pre Internet days so no info available beforehand. Nearly ruined the gig but Alice pulled it back.
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Thanks for posting that Rodrigo. Vinnie is such a cool guy. I appreciate the info on why he left Alice Cooper's band. I saw that tour twice and they were killer. His band was Greg Smith, Stef Burns, Eric Singer, Derek Sherinian, and of course Vinnie.
I also saw him open for Rush, and we met him after the show. He signed my Rush ticket:
(https://i.imgur.com/1UTR85G.jpg)
Glad you liked it...and very cool ticket stub!!!!
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So I saw UFO on the final show of their 2019 50th Anniversary Last Orders tour. Phil Mogg had said they were hanging it up after the tour, but I see they're booked for a Rock Cruise next year, so who knows.
It's possible this was their last US show, and I had that in the back of my mind.
Dream Theater really took over my adult life as far as music goes, and Iron Maiden has always been a mainstay, but no other band is tattooed on my soul more than UFO. I have been a fan since I was 13, and I've spent more important moments of my life listening to UFO than any other band. I love all eras, and UFO's music is truly meaningful to me.
Paul Raymond passed away earlier this year. Neil Carter, who replaced Paul the first time, agreed to do the tour. He's been teaching music, and he briefly started performing again with Gary Moore shortly before he died.
Speaking of Gary Moore, his band was the very first band on at my very first concert. Neil Carter was part of that band. I'm a huge fan of his, so seeing him was fantastic. He was so energetic on stage. It was impressive.
Here's the setlist:
1. Mother Mary
2. We Belong To The Night
3. Run Boy Run
4. Venus
5. Lights Out
6. Burn Your House Down
7. Fighting Man
8. Only You Can Rock Me
9. Cherry
10. Love To Love
11. Too Hot To Handle
12. Rock Bottom
13. Doctor Doctor
14. Shoot Shoot
In my opinions the setlist blows.
Looking at the distribution by eras..
Classic Schenker Era (5 albums)
Mother Mary
Lights Out
Only You Can Rock Me
Cherry
Love To Love
Too Hot To Handle
Rock Bottom
Doctor Doctor
Shoot Shoot
Chapman Era (4 albums)
We Belong To The Night
Reunion Schenker Era (3 albums)
Venus
Fighting Man
Vinnie Era (5 albums)
Run Boy Run
Burn Your House Down
9...NINE of the 14 tracks were from the Classic Schenker Era. I get it.
I find Too Hot To Handle boring and overrated, but they did a slightly extended outro which sounded great.
Unless Pete Way is playing, I do not ever need to hear Cherry.
And I'm frankly tired of Only You Can Rock Me.
Venus has been way overplayed. They played it when I saw them in 2011. It's an average track on the great Walk On Water, but I do have to say, it goes over great live.
Not sure why they like Fighting Man so much. I'd rather hear something from Covenent or Walk On Water.
One song from the Chapman Era??? With Carter in the band, I was hoping We Belong To The Night would segue into Let It Rain.
And the under represented Vinnie Era was covered with Run Boy Run (fine) and Burn Your House Down, which IMO blows.
But Setlist issues aside, they sounded fantastic, and Phil Mogg is simply amazing. And I'm not sure if it was because it was the final tour, but Vinnie absolutely slayed! He played like it was their last show. His solo at the end of Love To Love was AMAZING!!
And I thought he and Neil Carter had great chemistry, especially during the instrumental section of Rock Bottom.
Anyway, here are some shots:
"Misty Green And Blue"
(https://i.imgur.com/MT3gP1k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YNUlmcX.jpg)
During Rock Bottom
(https://i.imgur.com/j0igfd7.jpg)
Intro to Doctor Doctor
(https://i.imgur.com/zz7DuAE.jpg)
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Nice writeup Tim.
Huh, Neil Carter, nice. Didn't know that. Great shots too.
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Mechanix is my favorite Chapman album; they could have played anything from that and I'd have been fine. (I LOVE "Heel Of A Stranger").
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Mechanix is my favorite Chapman album; they could have played anything from that and I'd have been fine. (I LOVE "Heel Of A Stranger").
Yeah, I do to.
Mechanix is great, but The Wild The Willing And The Innocent is easily my fave of the Chapman Era.
I think from Mechanix, my fave would be Doing It All For You. And Back Into My Life.
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I really need to check out some UFO, beyond some of the hits like Doctor Doctor and Rock Bottom I haven't much.
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I really need to check out some UFO, beyond some of the hits like Doctor Doctor and Rock Bottom I haven't much.
Obvious starting point is the Strangers In The Night live album.
They have a big discography with multiple lineup changes.
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I had a similar start with Iron Maiden, first heard Live After Death and then followed up with the respective studio albums.
Strangers In The Night it is.
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If you dig the live album, Chrysalis has put out two compilations, one for the Schenker years and one for the Chapman years; they're pretty cheap but they basically give you five albums from each era on each set. If that makes sense.
Here's the Schenker one:
https://www.amazon.com/Chrysalis-Years-1973-1979-UFO/dp/B0053V5Y20/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=UFO+the+chrysalis+years&qid=1573047869&sr=8-1
$15.00 (Used)! That's a steal, broheims.
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Sounds like a deal.
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I can recommend those compilations.
And Strangers In The Night is glorious 🤘
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Tim, what venue is that? Interesting background for the stage...
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It is in the Wolf's Den in the middle of the Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut.
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How was the sound? I saw Asia there a couple years ago, but got there late and watched it from the outside. Sound wasn't bad, but obviously it was off because I wasn't in the venue proper.
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I thought it was fine. I took a little bit of video on my iPhone during the instrumental part in Rock Bottom and it sounds awesome.
I thought the rhythm guitar was a bit low, but Vinnie Moore was crystal clear and I thought the bass and drums were mixed pretty good, as were the keys. Phil Mogg was nice and clear too. I was actually impressed.
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Stadler, since your inbox is full...
http://bravewords.com/galleries/last-in-line-u-f-o-lights-out-in-cincy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8-3SDYKJDA
I catch a lot of this guy's videos while I'm screwing around on Youtube. He put out a UFO album ranking vid yesterday.
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Interesting. He dispatches the Vinnie Moore era pretty quickly. I feel like his Moore Era rankings are upside down.
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He did a Fates Warning album ranking about a week ago, and I was surprised by a lot of his choices in that as well. It's good to see the bands being recognized, though.
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So Paul Chapman passed away on his 66th birthday yesterday.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/UFONoPlaceToRun.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71kcxwKQ7ML._SL1300_.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Mecanix_cover.jpg/220px-Mecanix_cover.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/UFO_-_Making_Contact.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/Waysted3.jpg/220px-Waysted3.jpg)(https://http2.mlstatic.com/lp-waysted-save-your-prayers-disco-de-vinil-1987-D_NQ_NP_909726-MLB30024302374_042019-F.jpg)
I made a Spotify playlist of some of the best songs for both UFO and Waysted.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0aOEczcmbqmYiDrCRvdEIr?si=_zmFk44ZQei-NBbbopncIw
His solo on Profession Of Violence simply has to be heard to be believed. It is one of the most iconic solos in my life.
The outro to Doing It All For You...goosebumps inducing
The dirty guitar on The Good The Bad The Waysted and the much cleaner Save Your Prayers. The solo on The Land That's Lost The Love is fantastic.
I could go on and on.
The collections of live material of the Chapman UFO Era is endless, and he always had an interesting spin on the Schenker material. He wasn't Schenker, but he made up for it with a bad ass attitude.
There are those that hold the Chapman Era of UFO in higher regard than the Schenker Era. These half dozen albums were there for me in my formative years, both musically and personally.
It's easy to say that "this is a favorite album of mine" but both The Wild The Willing And The Innocent and The Good The Bad The Waysted are literally two of my favorite albums of my life. I used a quote from TGTBTW in my high school yearbook.
I would have to reconsider doing a UFO discography. It would be a huge undertaking for me. Not because of the amount of albums, but I would really want to do it justice.
First Paul Raymond a year ago, and now Paul Chapman.
It'd be a fucking miracle if Pete Way outlives them all. :lol
I had the pleasure of seeing Pete and Paul in Waysted when they opened for Iron Maiden.
March 30, 1987
Providence Civic Center
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Mystery Train live. Tonka crushes it.
https://youtu.be/G8M2J2rHp_g?t=1182
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Great tribute, TAC. I really love what Paul Chapman brought to UFO. Truly great albums, all of them, in my book. And what a way to introduce himself to UFO fans with Alpha Centaury/Letting Go/Mystery Train!(I know, I know, he already played live with the band, but still...).
He also made very good albums with Waysted, no doubt (Heaven Tonight from Save Your Prayers should be popular as Don’t Stop Believing IMO). You are right, Profession of Violence is beyond amazing!
Really sad this news...
RIP Tonka
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I need to get into Waysted more, but I took a deep dive into UFO a couple years ago because of Michael Schenker, and found that some of the better songs are in the Chapman years. For me, it's all about Mechanix. The Writer, Doing It All For You, Heel Of A Stranger... I go back to that record more than all the others combined (and I LIKE UFO, so I listen to them a fair amount).
Let this be a lesson, kids. Up until his death, he taught music in Melbourne, Florida at what I understood to be a studio/music store. My company has an office there, and I go there a lot for work. I had been meaning to stop in and check it out for a while and never got around to it. Too late now.
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Interesting. He dispatches the Vinnie Moore era pretty quickly. I feel like his Moore Era rankings are upside down.
I’m a huge Vinnie Moore fan but I’ve been disappointed with the UFO albums he’s played on. None of them get much of a look in here.
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I need to get into Waysted more
Did I or did I not give you a huge writeup on them?
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Interesting. He dispatches the Vinnie Moore era pretty quickly. I feel like his Moore Era rankings are upside down.
I’m a huge Vinnie Moore fan but I’ve been disappointed with the UFO albums he’s played on. None of them get much of a look in here.
I hear you. I thought You Are Here was a good start and fairly heavy. But they evolved into a Rolling Stones kind of thing. Still cool, but definitely lacked that anticipated punch. That said, I really enjoy a lot of their songs and have a great Vinnie playlist.
I took a deep dive into UFO a couple years ago because of Michael Schenker, and found that some of the better songs are in the Chapman years.
Those four albums are chock full of great songs. There's a real charm to them.
For me, it's all about Mechanix. The Writer, Doing It All For You, Heel Of A Stranger... I go back to that record more than all the others combined (and I LIKE UFO, so I listen to them a fair amount).
I like Mechanix a lot too. Dreaming is my favorite on there. Pete Way really hated that album.
My favorite of the Era is easily The Wild The Willing And The Innocent.
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He also made very good albums with Waysted, no doubt (Heaven Tonight from Save Your Prayers should be popular as Don’t Stop Believing IMO).
I love the Waysted albums. I actually prefer the version of Heaven Tonight on TGTBTW.
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Speaking Of Waysted, I found a cool boot on youtube from the Save Your Prayers tour in 1986. Paul Chapman is great on this.
https://youtu.be/NNVLRTU3N8c?t=1
Tracklist:
Toy With The Passion
Won't Get Out Alive
Singing To the Night
Heroes Die Young
Rock Steady
How The West Was Won
Walls Fall Down
Around And Around
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Interesting. He dispatches the Vinnie Moore era pretty quickly. I feel like his Moore Era rankings are upside down.
I’m a huge Vinnie Moore fan but I’ve been disappointed with the UFO albums he’s played on. None of them get much of a look in here.
I hear you. I thought You Are Here was a good start and fairly heavy. But they evolved into a Rolling Stones kind of thing. Still cool, but definitely lacked that anticipated punch. That said, I really enjoy a lot of their songs and have a great Vinnie playlist.
The problem with You Are here for me was that alot of the riffs were recycled from Vinnie instrumental tunes and I couldn't get used to hearing them with lyrics. Plus, Phil didn't sound that great.
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Is that right? That's weird.
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I need to get into Waysted more
Did I or did I not give you a huge writeup on them?
You did, and I listened through, but I didn't stick with it. I need to go back and really give it my focus.
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I need to get into Waysted more
Did I or did I not give you a huge writeup on them?
You did, and I listened through, but I didn't stick with it. I need to go back and really give it my focus.
Is there any chance you still have that PM? And if so, can you quote it back to me?
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Um, I might have spoke too soon; it was Thin Lizzy. I think you've touted Waysted (and wasn't one of the singers in... Riot on one of the Waysted albums?) so I think I was mistaken. I'd take some recommendations, though.
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Um, I might have spoke too soon; it was Thin Lizzy. I think you've touted Waysted (and wasn't one of the singers in... Riot on one of the Waysted albums?) so I think I was mistaken. I'd take some recommendations, though.
Huh. I sent someone a Wasted PM. I could've sworn it was you.
I'm surprised you couldn't hang with Thin Lizzy, especially with Robbo playing on Another Perfect Day.
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Um, I might have spoke too soon; it was Thin Lizzy. I think you've touted Waysted (and wasn't one of the singers in... Riot on one of the Waysted albums?) so I think I was mistaken. I'd take some recommendations, though.
Huh. I sent someone a Wasted PM. I could've sworn it was you.
I'm surprised you couldn't hang with Thin Lizzy, especially with Robbo playing on Another Perfect Day.
Maybe it was; I seem to rememeber that too, but as you might know, I save all my PMs until I have no choice, and those are the last to go (I still have the Armored Saint, Thin Lizzy and Di'Anno recommendations).
It's not that I couldn't hang; I haven't given it enough focus. Not going to lie, though; Lynott's voice is a high hurdle. (By the way, is it "LIE-not", "LI-not", "lie-NOT" or "li-NOT"?)
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It may have been the DiAnno one I'm thinking of.
My plan is to start The UFO Discography Listening Party Thread when O finishes the Tull one.
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It may have been the DiAnno one I'm thinking of.
My plan is to start The UFO Discography Listening Party Thread when O finishes the Tull one.
Looking forward to it.
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When Orbert finishes his Jethro Tull thread...
..The UFO Discography And Listening Party will commence. Get your stories ready fogeys!
23 studio albums.
Countless live albums
The Michael Schenker Group
Waysted
All covered.
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Thanks for doing this Tim.
Everything I've heard from UFO is awesome, but I've only heard a best of and Strangers. I've mentioned the name UFO to supposedly classic rock fans and they have no idea who UFO is. To me, they have the sound of a band that should be a household name; but, for whatever reason they are not.
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Yeah, I have most of the text done for the UFO albums. Still deciding on how to integrate the Schenker and Waysted material. Will mostly go chronologically alongside the UFO albums.
Take 1983 for instance.
We have:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/UFO_-_Making_Contact.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/Built_to_Destroy.jpg/220px-Built_to_Destroy.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Waysted_Vices.jpg)
A chick on every cover! :lol
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If you cover the first two albums of the discography, you'll probably loose your entire audience. :lol
Well, except for me. I find them charming to listen to.
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I don't have UFO stories, except for being born the year they published their greatest tune :D
I've snuck upon my bro's Phenomenon, Obsession, and Strangers many times, and I'm generally utterly fascinated by Schenker and Way.
I will follow, even though I'd warn you there are still 15 Tull albums to go :lol
Are you going to cover Schenker's Scorpions stint as well?
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If you cover the first two albums of the discography, you'll probably loose your entire audience. :lol
Well, except for me. I find them charming to listen to.
:lol
Yeah, thinking of making one post covering UFO1, Flying, and Live.
Are you going to cover Schenker's Scorpions stint as well?
Both of them!
Of, what's their greatest song BTW?
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Looking Out for N1
In an ideal world, radio stations should blare that beauty out everyday :metal
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"Just a kid with a crazy dream, wants it all before he's seventeen"
Amazing.
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If you cover the first two albums of the discography, you'll probably loose your entire audience. :lol
Well, except for me. I find them charming to listen to.
:rollin
I love UFO 1, UFO 2 and Lonesome Crow :biggrin:
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Mick Bolton
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Michael Schenker
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Paul Chapman
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Tommy (Atomik Tommy M) McLendon
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Laurence Archer
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Vinnie Moore
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I want to hear about the first three; I've been interested in hearing them for a while (and I've heard a handful of the songs from live stuff when Michael first joined) but never really got around to actually listening. The whole moniker "space rock" is confusing for me; whenever I hear "space rock" I'm either pretty impressed - Floyd's early work, Nektar, some of Hendrix - or I'm like "wha??" - the rest of it. :)
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If you cover the first two albums of the discography, you'll probably loose your entire audience. :lol
I spun UFO 1 on Sunday; Flying right at this moment. I'll say this ... they were definitely released in '70 and '71. This is probably something that I could've latched on to in '86 when I first started exploring Classic Rock. I mean Star Storm is trying to be an extended mix of Whole Lotta Love.
They're not terrible, but even the remasters sound very dated.
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Great band one of the best live albums ever id still put Thin Lizzys Live and Dangerous as a better live album but UFO is second
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If you cover the first two albums of the discography, you'll probably loose your entire audience. :lol
I spun UFO 1 on Sunday; Flying right at this moment. I'll say this ... they were definitely released in '70 and '71. This is probably something that I could've latched on to in '86 when I first started exploring Classic Rock. I mean Star Storm is trying to be an extended mix of Whole Lotta Love.
They're not terrible, but even the remasters sound very dated.
I'm proud of you Chad for checking them out. I actually listened to Flying last night. It's actually pretty cool. You have to remember, the band are really young here. Andy Parker (the drummer) is excellent on Flying.
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Great band one of the best live albums ever id still put Thin Lizzys Live and Dangerous as a better live album but UFO is second
That's cool. You're a big Thin Lizzy guy so I would never argue that with you. I love Thin Lizzy.
Honestly, my favorite live Thin Lizzy album is the BBC Radio One Live in Concert (Reading '83). That version of Still In Love With You is amazing.
And not that Strangers didn't have studio cuts with crowd noise, but the L&D version of Southbound is so badly mixed in. It's like they didn't even care that anyone noticed or not. :lol
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Haha, I'm listening to UFO1 now, and "dated" isn't the word. What a "Grand Funk Railroad/Coming Home" vibe. :) :)
I like it so far, though.
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Andy Parker was 18 and Pete Way was 19 when they recorded that. Phil was 22.
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Tim, you're going to blowing your wad before you even get the bra loose. Save the foreplay for the discography thread.
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Tim, you're going to blowing your wad before you even get the bra loose. Save the foreplay for the discography thread.
A leopard doesn't change it's spots. :)
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Tim, you're going to blowing your wad before you even get the bra loose. Save the foreplay for the discography thread.
:lol
I'm getting pumped. :metal
I was about to pimp a couple of lesser known albums today.
The thing is, we're going to do close to 40 albums.
Tim, you're going to blowing your wad before you even get the bra loose. Save the foreplay for the discography thread.
A leopard doesn't change it's spots. :)
This thread does make me feel 16 again. :lol
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Great band one of the best live albums ever id still put Thin Lizzys Live and Dangerous as a better live album but UFO is second
That's cool. You're a big Thin Lizzy guy so I would never argue that with you. I love Thin Lizzy.
Honestly, my favorite live Thin Lizzy album is the BBC Radio One Live in Concert (Reading '83). That version of Still In Love With You is amazing.
And not that Strangers didn't have studio cuts with crowd noise, but the L&D version of Southbound is so badly mixed in. It's like they didn't even care that anyone noticed or not. :lol
awessome post bro I agree yes Im a huge Thin Lizzy fan
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Andy Parker was 18 and Pete Way was 19 when they recorded that. Phil was 22.
I don't think Pete Way was ever 19! ;D
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Always one of my favorite bands since I was a kid. Love The Wild The Willing and The Innocent, fav Chapman era album.
Just ran across this, great concert from 81, great audio. RIP Tonka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2mRtwRrVc
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God Yes.... 1978 with Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sim3UHOgRI
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I'm a casual UFO fan but will definitely check the listening party once it's underway. The last one was a riot.
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I'm a casual UFO fan but will definitely check the listening party once it's underway. The last one was a riot.
:lol
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God Yes.... 1978 with Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sim3UHOgRI
Yeah, that is amazing. Not sure if you have this, but that show is part of this box set:
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Bro TAC,
NO I dont have have that really enjoying this show...
thats a great box collection for sure
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Oh, it's fantastic. That whole box is incredible.
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Oh, it's fantastic. That whole box is incredible.
I just modified my post after reading the discs.... yea thats a great collection in one set for sure ,,, really captures it
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Yeah, I have most of the text done for the UFO albums. Still deciding on how to integrate the Schenker and Waysted material. Will mostly go chronologically alongside the UFO albums.
Take 1983 for instance.
We have:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/UFO_-_Making_Contact.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/Built_to_Destroy.jpg/220px-Built_to_Destroy.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Waysted_Vices.jpg)
A chick on every cover! :lol
I saw every band on that list over that 1983 84 85 period,,,, great times Im a huge MSG fan
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You must be a couple years older than me. I saw UFO in '86, MSG (opening for Rush) and Waysted (opening for Iron Maiden) in '87.
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Oh, it's fantastic. That whole box is incredible.
Sound is good? I need to check for that.
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Oh, it's fantastic. That whole box is incredible.
Sound is good? I need to check for that.
Im 55
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Oh, it's fantastic. That whole box is incredible.
Sound is good? I need to check for that.
Im 55
Fogey.
52 in September. ;)
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I really like Neil Carter. Dude rocks harder now than he did in the 80s, and he seems to enjoy it more than ever. He was great as Gary Moore's right hand man with the Flock of Seagulls hair, and when we saw UFO last year he brought life to the band. They're not the most energetic group of guys in the world, and his excitement was contagious.
https://youtu.be/vu0MbOhj_6o?t=122
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I love Neil Carter, and hell yes he was great.
I think I've posted this pic before but I took this pic of Neil playing with Gary Moore in 1987. And yes, that is Bob Daisley's bass, and no, I have no good reason why I don't have a good pic of Daisley from this show.
(https://i.imgur.com/pFFwnsg.jpg)
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I love Neil Carter, and hell yes he was great.
I think I've posted this pic before but I took this pic of Neil playing with Gary Moore in 1987. And yes, that is Bob Daisley's bass, and no, I have no good reason why I don't have a good pic of Daisley from this show.
(https://i.imgur.com/pFFwnsg.jpg)
I have two major concert regrets. One is that the last show I was too young to attend was PoM with Saxon and Fastway. Not my fault. The other is that I saw that Gary Moore show in 87 and wasn't the slightest bit interested. Didn't know anything about him other than he was apparently a good guitarist. That one was my fault and really bums me out now. I watched the full headline show from Stockholm the other day and it's fantastic. Wish I remembered what I saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsMKdlB3lbI&t=22s
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I think I'm going to regret not having seen UFO on this last go-round.
I have a list of opening acts that I either ignored or missed for various reasons that I wish I could go back and change now. First are Garbage (opening for U2 in 2001), Doyle Bramhall II (opening for Clapton in 2001), and the Ben Folds Five (H.O.R.D.E. tour in 1997).
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That's a great show and I've watched it many times.
My regret regarding that concert is that I was literally at the stage, and for some reason I chopped the heads off in every picture. I have two-TWO decent shots from the entire roll of film. The one of Neil and this one:
(https://i.imgur.com/XMjUcl9.jpg)
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I think I'm going to regret not having seen UFO on this last go-round.
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@ Bart, funny you mention Neil Carter and Gary Moore.
At the risk of blowing my wad for the Discog thread coming up, you will learn that the riff to Murder In The Skies was actually written by Paul Chapman.
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I think I'm going to regret not having seen UFO on this last go-round.
(https://i.imgur.com/MT3gP1k.jpg)
Dammit. :)
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Oh, it's fantastic. That whole box is incredible.
Sound is good? I need to check for that.
Im 55
Fogey.
52 in September. ;)
when I was your age Jr.......: )
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Hey Epicview, while I have your attention...
You have Kurt Cobain as your avatar. I wouldn't necessarily think people in our age group and musical upbringing would've taken to Nirvana.
Explain.
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Hey Epicview, while I have your attention...
You have Kurt Cobain as your avatar. I wouldn't necessarily think people in our age group and musical upbringing would've taken to Nirvana.
Explain.
I met Kurt in 1991, I just always loved his thing,,, I was trending away from "hair metal" and was enjoying new sounds like Green River, Mother Love Bone etc. I grew up also as punk rocker, loving and seeing and enjoying bands like the Ramones, Clash, Pistols PIL, Dead Kennedys, Buzzcocks, Elvis C, and a lot off the Stiff Records gang,,, at the time as we know a lot of the metal acts had lost some edge. a lot of the Hard Rock was at the end. Kurt had a magic and authenticity that resonated with me, I was a huge Beatles guy and it just clicked, he felt like a Lennon and I loved how he was unscripted, I had gotten an early copy of Bleach and was already a fan when he hit it.. I am and was a Huge STP fan also ,, I like new sounds today I like tings like Bring me the Horizon , Filter, Four Year Strong, Powerman , Seether TV on the Radio,,, you name it.. thats not to say I wasnt head banging int he front row at TT QUick in 1980 LOL
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Wow, yeah I must say I thought you must have been more my age too mate by the avatar. That's cool though.
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Wow, yeah I must say I thought you must have been more my age too mate by the avatar. That's cool though.
Honorary Fogey. :lol
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I got all y'all beat. I didn't even know who the fuck it was.
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I really like Neil Carter. Dude rocks harder now than he did in the 80s, and he seems to enjoy it more than ever. He was great as Gary Moore's right hand man with the Flock of Seagulls hair, and when we saw UFO last year he brought life to the band. They're not the most energetic group of guys in the world, and his excitement was contagious.
https://youtu.be/vu0MbOhj_6o?t=122
He did a Zoom Chat a couple of weeks ago. He really speaks with such joy and passion.
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pePR2qoHuRM&feature=youtu.be
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQGroBmDvE&feature=youtu.be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz5AVOl0sio
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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When is it time for the UFO official discography thread?
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When is it time for the UFO official discography thread?
As soon as Orbert finishes the Jethro Tull one. I have pretty much a lot of it written already. I'll be ready to go immediately after.
It's coming along quite well.
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When is it time for the UFO official discography thread?
As soon as Orbert finishes the Jethro Tull one. I have pretty much a lot of it written already. I'll be ready to go immediately after.
It's coming along quite well.
How many albums does Jethro Tull have?????
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Hah! According to Wiki, about 8 or 9 more.
It's also going to be a combo Schenker discog thread...
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Hah! According to Wiki, about 8 or 9 more.
It's also going to be a combo Schenker discog thread...
All due respect to Orbert......good grief.
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I'm chomping at the bit, trust me.
But I have the entire thing outlined, and pretty much most of the text written.
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Oh wow!
http://bravewords.com/news/ufo-founder-bassist-pete-way-dead-at-69
Pete Way was one of my all time favorite musicians. I'm going to have to sit on this. Will post later..
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Oh wow!
http://bravewords.com/news/ufo-founder-bassist-pete-way-dead-at-69
Pete Way was one of my all time favorite musicians. I'm going to have to sit on this. Will post later..
Well...crap.
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Oh wow!
http://bravewords.com/news/ufo-founder-bassist-pete-way-dead-at-69
Pete Way was one of my all time favorite musicians. I'm going to have to sit on this. Will post later..
Shit. From a tragic accident too. Awful. This is a tough one for you mate.
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Terrible :(
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So I'm going to cover a lot of this in the upcoming UFO Discography And Listening Party Thread...
I've been listening to UFO since I was 13. They were instant favorites for me. I listened to no band in the 80's than I did UFO. When Paul Chapman passed away a couple of months ago, I joked "Watch Pete Way outlive them all". Apparently that will not be the case.
As if the classic UFO albums weren't enough, what really elevated Pete Way in my eyes were the Waysted albums, not to mention the first Fastway album. The reunion albums with Schenker were outstanding as well.
He was a great songwriter, and had a really cool bass playing style. Steve Harris. Rick Savage. Nikki Sixx. Even Brian Wheat. They were sons of Pete Way in style, wardrobe, even how they held their bass. UFO tended to fly under the popular radar, but this is a huge loss to classic hard rock.
I was lucky enough to see Pete Way (and Paul Chapman) only once.
March 30. 1987
Providence Civic Center
(https://i.imgur.com/s5FbAHX.jpg)
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Here is a link to a photo gallery on Pete's website. Some fantastic shots.
http://www.peteway.co.uk/photos/4585477325
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:metal :metal
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Literally know nothing about UFO, except that I constantly hear a lot of my favorite artists cite them.
Spent the evening listening to samples from their 70's/80's albums. It all sounded really solid. Found a box on Amazon that contains 10 studio albums from Phenomenon to Misdemeanor for $38 total, brand new. This contains the 2008 remasters with all the bonus tracks. Figured I could risk it for that kind of dough.
Also liked what I heard from the first 2 as well so I dropped in an order for those. One thing I am missing is the live album everyone always talks about. It appears a physical copy is a bit tough to snag right now.
My 2020 year of mass catalog buying continues.
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Another great gone. He certainly lived the life.
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Literally know nothing about UFO, except that I constantly hear a lot of my favorite artists cite them.
Spent the evening listening to samples from their 70's/80's albums. It all sounded really solid. Found a box on Amazon that contains 10 studio albums from Phenomenon to Misdemeanor for $38 total, brand new. This contains the 2008 remasters with all the bonus tracks. Figured I could risk it for that kind of dough.
Also liked what I heard from the first 2 as well so I dropped in an order for those. One thing I am missing is the live album everyone always talks about. It appears a physical copy is a bit tough to snag right now.
My 2020 year of mass catalog buying continues.
I’m going to do a full discography thread as soon as the Jethro Tull one if finished. Hope you’ll follow along.
That was the best $38 you’ve ever spent.
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Really nice words from Michael Schenker
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelSchenkerRocks/?ref=py_c
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Nice post Tim, and cool pics as always.
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What was the accident, do we know?
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What was the accident, do we know?
I've watched a couple of web shows and no one knows. His face book doesn't mention it.
The Sun says it was an accident at home. WTF??
What's this with tragic accidents at home?
Paddy Bowden, Pete Way??
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That's sad, because with his history, it's inevitable that speculation would ensue. He wasn't that old, really.
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I didn't realize until today that he never played on any Fastway material because of a contract issue.
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What was the accident, do we know?
If it's anything less spectacular than launching his flaming Jaguar through the side of a side of a convent it'll be a massive waste.
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I didn't realize until today that he never played on any Fastway material because of a contract issue.
I'll address this all in the Listening Party Thread, but I think UFO re-upped with Chrysalis shortly before all this went down.
Yeah, he basically had to walk away from those songs and relinquish any credit. Chrysalis did put in a bid for Fastway, but Columbia (I think) made an offer Chrysalis couldn't match.
So while Columbia released Fastway in 1983, Chrysalis released Waysted's Vices in 1983. Waysted is also a play on the names of Pete Way and Fast Ed..WAY(fa)ST ED.
Fastway drummer Jerry Shirley would reconnect with Pete Way on The Good The Bad The Waysted in 1985.
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Waysted is also a play on the names of Pete Way and Fast Ed..WAY(fa)ST ED.
That seems odd given that Clarke wasn't involved with Waysted.
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Waysted is also a play on the names of Pete Way and Fast Ed..WAY(fa)ST ED.
That seems odd given that Clarke wasn't involved with Waysted.
It was probably one of the names they brainstormed when they got together.
When Vices came out, that was literally the first thing I thought of.
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One has one name first...the other has the other name first...
I wonder who came up with which one? :justjen
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Love that first Fastway record. I like the second one, too, but it's not the same, and you can tell.
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I've probably mentioned this before, but both times Waysted was supposed to come through Dallas on support tours they cancelled (or no-showed). I had always assumed they were just a myth, like Nessie, or the Holocaust, or something. When a friend mentioned they were a real band many years later it kind of took me by surprise.
On the other hand, Fastway was the first band I ever saw. Bought one of those sleeveless checkered shirts everybody had back then. Good band.
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Bought one of those sleeveless checkered shirts everybody had back then.
Holy shit, so did I. :lol
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Nice article by The Guardian
https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/17/farewell-to-pete-way-bassist-ufo?fbclid=IwAR3QxyWYaLUMZs8A-BP9uZKST7rqevJ1YRrfSx4BQZFDfljWwoE3bN2WGBg
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Bought one of those sleeveless checkered shirts everybody had back then.
Holy shit, so did I. :lol
I went with the sleeveless Maiden shirt with The Trooper cover on it. That was the Piece of Mind tour, and Fastway opened for them. Coney Hatch too, but they sucked. Dave King killed it, then Bruce came out and raised the bar even higher.
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The last UFO album that Pete Way appeared on was the 2006's sneaky good The Monkey Puzzle.
The classic lineup with Vinnie Moore instead of Michael Schenker.
(https://images.45worlds.com/f/cd/ufo-the-monkey-puzzle-3-cd.jpg)
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I didn't realize he wasn't still in; I thought he was doing the victory lap with Mogg. Interesting.
I'm a BIG fan of those three reunion records with Schenker, myself.
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I didn't realize he wasn't still in; I thought he was doing the victory lap with Mogg. Interesting.
I'm a BIG fan of those three reunion records with Schenker, myself.
I think Sharks is fairly weak, but I love Covenant.
Way stayed in for the first two Vinnie Moore albums, You Are Here and The Monkey Puzzle.
I was listening to The Monkey Puzzle so I thought I'd post that.
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this is awful no words
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Here is a link to an interview that Jenny Way, Pete's wife, did yesterday.
https://www.americanheartbreak.com/rnrgeekwp/jenny-way-wife-of-the-late-great-pete-way/
Pete's tragic accident? Falling down the stairs.
But the fucking hell he went through because of it...
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Got my copies of UFO 1 and UFO 2. Just started with UFO 1 and, good god, Pete's bass is loud! I realize these first 2 records aren't exactly what the band is know for, but I am enjoying 1 so far. Good driving rock.
The 10 disc box finally shipped today. Probably be digging into that next week, as long as the USPS doesn't take 3 weeks.
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Now playing: Phenomenon.
Rock Bottom is currently kicking my butt. Instrumental section is just excellent.
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Now playing: Phenomenon.
Rock Bottom is currently kicking my butt. Instrumental section is just excellent.
You’re going to be Tim’s star pupil when he does his discography thread
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Liftoff scheduled for Monday night!!
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Liftoff scheduled for Monday night!!
:metal
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Liftoff scheduled for Monday night!!
Shit, better get on with my home work.
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Homework assignments coming tomorrow I believe. :lol
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really enjoying this new 1976 UFO from Hollywood release on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/album/4ExEFLqUbbhZGjon20wDYA
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really enjoying this new 1976 UFO from Hollywood release on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/album/4ExEFLqUbbhZGjon20wDYA
I've seen it on Spotify and was wondering where it came from. I feel like this has to have been released before. It's not great sounding, but a classic show for sure.
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Interesting that this was bumped today on the 3 year anniversary of Pete's death.
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Hold up......it's been close to 3 years since Tim's listening party!? That's fucking insane. Just felt like a few months ago.
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Hold up......it's been close to 3 years since Tim's listening party!? That's fucking insane. Just felt like a few months ago.
I'm with you. 3 years? Life is just flying by.
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Interesting that this was bumped today on the 3 year anniversary of Pete's death.
That is wild I saw UFO and Waysted and met and partied with Pete long ago... time is flying for sure
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Interesting that this was bumped today on the 3 year anniversary of Pete's death.
That is wild I saw UFO and Waysted and met and partied with Pete long ago... time is flying for sure
That's like saying "I jammed with Hendrix" or "I tossed a football with Tom Brady". Hahaha.
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Interesting that this was bumped today on the 3 year anniversary of Pete's death.
That is wild I saw UFO and Waysted and met and partied with Pete long ago... time is flying for sure
That's like saying "I jammed with Hendrix" or "I tossed a football with Tom Brady". Hahaha.
I guess ..but Id not put at the level of Jamming with Jimi LOL I met and partied with so many of the metal and rock acts back in the 80s... I do have some great memories, sadly my memory is not as solid as I get older LOL
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Hold up......it's been close to 3 years since Tim's listening party!? That's fucking insane. Just felt like a few months ago.
I agree
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It's probably because we've been using it as a general UFO thread since the Listening Party ended. We were in the thread a little over a month ago.
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Martian Landscape might just edge out I'm A Loser for my favorite song on No Heavy Petting.
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Martian Landscape might just edge out I'm A Loser for my favorite song on No Heavy Petting.
I absolutely love Martian Landscape. And Belladonna for that matter. It's my favorite album by them. I love Schenker on NHP. It's weird because it's the one album that doesn't have his distinctive tone, but his playing is ferocious.
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Martian Landscape might just edge out I'm A Loser for my favorite song on No Heavy Petting.
I absolutely love Martian Landscape. And Belladonna for that matter. It's my favorite album by them. I love Schenker on NHP. It's weird because it's the one album that doesn't have his distinctive tone, but his playing is ferocious.
That tone you hear in spades on Force It? Easily my favorite UFO album. I love the clean, stripped down, aggressive sound and production on that album. Not to mention the killer songs.
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Martian Landscape might just edge out I'm A Loser for my favorite song on No Heavy Petting.
I absolutely love Martian Landscape. And Belladonna for that matter. It's my favorite album by them. I love Schenker on NHP. It's weird because it's the one album that doesn't have his distinctive tone, but his playing is ferocious.
That tone you hear in spades on Force It? Easily my favorite UFO album. I love the clean, stripped down, aggressive sound and production on that album. Not to mention the killer songs.
Exactly. His tone is a bit sinister on NHP, and it's really an outlier for him for the most part.
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It's probably because we've been using it as a general UFO thread since the Listening Party ended. We were in the thread a little over a month ago.
my bad bro I am so bad with tech,,, I tried to find it again used search bar here and wrote ufo and didnt see it but saw this one
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It's probably because we've been using it as a general UFO thread since the Listening Party ended. We were in the thread a little over a month ago.
my bad bro I am so bad with tech,,, I tried to find it again used search bar here and wrote ufo and didnt see it but saw this one
Mate, there's certainly no harm in having 2 main UFO threads! :metal
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There's even a UFO thread over in the General forum but I was disappointed to find out it was not about the band. ;D
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There's even a UFO thread over in the General forum but I was disappointed to find out it was not about the band. ;D
We can change that! :biggrin:
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Slew of live releases coming.
https://bravewords.com/news/ufo-cleopatra-records-reissues-live-albums-on-cd-vinyl
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Many of these have already been released in one form or another.
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Absolutely LOVE the '74-'79 period of the band :metal. I lost interest in UFO after that.
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TAC will probably say he's already seen this, but a 1980 performance on Rockpalast was posted to YouTube 9 days ago.
https://youtu.be/XsdhlhkO_tU?si=gv_haXIde7Y2HJXo
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TAC will probably say he's already seen this, but a 1980 performance on Rockpalast was posted to YouTube 9 days ago.
https://youtu.be/XsdhlhkO_tU?si=gv_haXIde7Y2HJXo
If I want to watch some live UFO I go for this concert, I love it. I purchased the CD/DVD. Really like Chapman on this one.
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TAC will probably say he's already seen this, but a 1980 performance on Rockpalast was posted to YouTube 9 days ago.
https://youtu.be/XsdhlhkO_tU?si=gv_haXIde7Y2HJXo
If I want to watch some live UFO I go for this concert, I love it. I purchased the CD/DVD. Really like Chapman on this one.
I also have the CD/DVD. Love this show.
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TAC will probably say he's already seen this, but a 1980 performance on Rockpalast was posted to YouTube 9 days ago.
https://youtu.be/XsdhlhkO_tU?si=gv_haXIde7Y2HJXo
SWEEEEET..... love this
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
I agree bro they sound great good era sound is nice
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
MY be controversial, but I think I'd take Chapmans version of Love to Love over Schenker......
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
MY be controversial, but I think I'd take Chapmans version of Love to Love over Schenker......
I can't go there, but Lawrence Archer does a sick version of it on the Lights Out In Tokyo '92 release.
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It's my favorite live performance from Chapman's era and it's in video! It has that looser and punchier feel from his era, but also some precision as in the Schenker's era. I just wish that the drums were higher in the mix. As audio recording quality goes, ironically, since the band was a falling apart at the time, I think Headstone is the better one and also has great performances, it just lacks that "one complete show" feel.
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As audio recording quality goes, ironically, since the band was a falling apart at the time, I think Headstone is the better one and also has great performances, it just lacks that "one complete show" feel.
I would love to get the actual full show. Even the so-called full cd is not that show.
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It's my favorite live performance from Chapman's era and it's in video!
Another show that's in video is the 12/8/78 show in New Jersey. It's Paul Chapman's 5th show after Schenker left mid tour. Still has Paul Raymond in the band. Opening for Cheap Trick on this leg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqGpp_gKoms
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Cool, Tim, that one I didn't know!
This one I think it's really cool with Schenker, although also lasting around 30 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNvtPYSejVc
There's any pro footage from the reunion shows?
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Cool, Tim, that one I didn't know!
This one I think it's really cool with Schenker, although also lasting around 30 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNvtPYSejVc
There's any pro footage from the reunion shows?
Yeah, both of those contain some great footage for sure.
I posted this in the UFO Listening Party, but here's some Holy Grail footage..Fresno 8/9/78 right around the time they recorded the shows to be used for Strangers. Unfortunately the Rock Bottom instrumental section is missing. Watching Phil fuck up Hot n Ready and Paul Raymond just looking at him going WTF is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-60aw0BOWQ
The Chicago 95 show is a pretty good boot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM6soR6xSO0&t=1107s
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Thanks, Tim!
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
MY be controversial, but I think I'd take Chapmans version of Love to Love over Schenker......
I can't go there, but Lawrence Archer does a sick version of it on the Lights Out In Tokyo '92 release.
Archer was also in GRAND SLAM... Phil Lynotts band after Lizzy before he passed
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
MY be controversial, but I think I'd take Chapmans version of Love to Love over Schenker......
I can't go there, but Lawrence Archer does a sick version of it on the Lights Out In Tokyo '92 release.
Archer was also in GRAND SLAM... Phil Lynotts band after Lizzy before he passed
Yup. And this is a great collection...
(https://bravewords.com/medias-static/images/news/2023/slambundle423.jpeg)
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Yeah, Paul Chapman is so bad ass in this.
MY be controversial, but I think I'd take Chapmans version of Love to Love over Schenker......
I can't go there, but Lawrence Archer does a sick version of it on the Lights Out In Tokyo '92 release.
Archer was also in GRAND SLAM... Phil Lynotts band after Lizzy before he passed
Yup. And this is a great collection...
(https://bravewords.com/medias-static/images/news/2023/slambundle423.jpeg)
right on bro...