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Title: Mike Portnoy's "Prog Metal" supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Metropolaris on March 11, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
I felt like this deserved its own thread since it really doesn't have much to do with his Shattered Fortress band.

This is what we know so far:

Mike Portnoy confirms a Progressive Metal Supergroup is in the works
https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/1598772116807091

Former DT keyboardist Derek Sherinian posts a picture of his keyboard rig in a studio very similar to the one in Mike's pic
This tweet was quickly taken down but luckily someone got a screenshot of it.
(http://i.imgur.com/Te5GfwZ.jpg)

Derek's keyboard tech posted a video on Instagram showing his rig while Derek practices a unison with a guitarist offscreen. This video has also been taken down but I managed to get a screenshot of the last second of the video which shows the guitarist: Bumblefoot
(http://i.imgur.com/sHuWcYy.png)

Today Miked and Derek tweeted this pic, pretty much confirming Derek's involvement, which we already knew  :P
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/840655819557367808
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/840657353225601024

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 11, 2017, 02:05:00 PM
I reposted the info with the picture of Bumblefoot at the MP forum and also at the MP forum in Facebook and he removed all of that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 11, 2017, 02:13:24 PM
I reposted the info with the picture of Bumblefoot at the MP forum and also at the MP forum in Facebook and he removed all of that.

:')
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
Bumblefoot?

Well, it could be really good if he adds in a unique influence, or he could adapt to them and make it standard stuff.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on March 11, 2017, 02:33:39 PM
I just hope he doesn't sing. I don't find his playing to be anything special but it's okay but his vocals I actively dislike.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2017, 03:41:04 PM
MP also said on his website that he will have the same level of control he had in DT. A first for him since he left DT
Quote from: Mike Portnoy
For the 1st time since 2010, YES!!
It was made very clear and understood before we even started...
 
With TWD, FC, NMB, TA, MA all being more of a "democracy", the ONLY way i could take on another band (without going insane!) is if I was to have the same level of overall creative control I had in DT
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2987222-p3.aspx (http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2987222-p3.aspx)

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 03:43:06 PM
It'll either stop being a supergroup and be his new home OR it'll last one album before he moves onto something else.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2017, 03:47:35 PM
I'm blanking, which band is MA?

I say one album  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
I'm blanking, which band is MA?

I say one album  :lol

Madrenaline Aob !! :neverusethis:

I'm guessing it was a typo.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 11, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
I'm blanking, which band is MA?

I say one album  :lol

Metal Allegiance - one of his projects that I just cannot get into as that sort of metal just isn't my thing, and the fact that it's more like one of those Magna Carta record cover-albums (where the line-up is different in every song), I just don't see myself caring about it since it's not a single line-up on every piece, just a collection of different band's performances.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 11, 2017, 06:37:13 PM
I'm hoping this will be a "no holds barred" kind of thing, a la Planet X.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: darkshade on March 11, 2017, 06:43:47 PM
This sounds like Planet X with Mike Portnoy on drums.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 11, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
I'm hoping this will be a "no holds barred" kind of thing, a la Planet X.
Agreed from the standpoint that they won't put limits on the style or sound (except maybe cookie monster vocals, which I fear will be evident). But unlike PX, which struck me as mostly instrumental flexing of their chops, I hope this new band follows the basic idea of having the heavy, the pop and the epic sides as DT does. Exactly how they go about doing it is up to them, and I welcome influences/directions that go outside of what DT has done.

My biggest question is who are the bassist and vocalist (assuming they are part of this group)? Who are LA based musicians that are musos but don't have a full-time gig that would take up a lot of their time? I couldn't help but think of Jason Newsted, but I haven't a clue as to where he lives or if he's even doing much with music these days. Perhaps looking at the guys MP's played with in different bands/projects could be a hint since he's played with the two we know of - more likely from one-off things like PSMS, Hail and Metal Allegiance, rather than TA, FC or TWD.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2017, 07:32:17 PM
Sheehan? Ellefson?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 11, 2017, 07:32:45 PM
My biggest question is who are the bassist and vocalist (assuming they are part of this group)? Who are LA based musicians that are musos but don't have a full-time gig that would take up a lot of their time? I couldn't help but think of Jason Newsted, but I haven't a clue as to where he lives or if he's even doing much with music these days. Perhaps looking at the guys MP's played with in different bands/projects could be a hint since he's played with the two we know of - more likely from one-off things like PSMS, Hail and Metal Allegiance, rather than TA, FC or TWD.


*Fingers crossed for no Billy Sheehan*

Seeing how badly they've kept this project a secret, we'll probably figure out who else is involved soon  :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Mike Lepond!

He and MP seem to be competing for the most side projects. Seems fitting they'd do one together!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on March 11, 2017, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: Metropolaris
Seeing how badly they've kept this project a secret, we'll probably figure out who else is involved soon  :P
I really think that all these leaks are done on purpose by the band. Derek made a photo with MP feet saying "making history... And you?" and the other has a image of Bumblefoot at the last frame of a video from the studio? Of course, they are  unofficially releasing information.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 11, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
The real question here is: will they play the full version of Apocalypse 1470 B. C. live this time?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on March 11, 2017, 09:20:08 PM
No, the real question is who the hell is Bumblefoot?

TAC, have you heard of this guy?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
No, the real question is who the hell is Bumblefoot?

TAC, have you heard of this guy?


Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.

Seems like a really talented guitarist, but I've never heard him write anything interesting riff or song wise.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Accelerando on March 11, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
Bumblefoot is currently in a band called Art of Anarchy, which was originally fronted by Scott Weiland before he passed away. Their current front man is former Creed vocalist Scott Stapp. From what I heard from them, they are pretty meh.

The Madness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNy_g6cMlIE

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2017, 09:41:34 PM
So glad they got Bumblefoot and not another JP clone for the band. Also, he's very capable as a guitarist and his influence should (hopefully) be really useful to create something new. Just hope he isn't the main vocalist of the band... and MP either  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 11, 2017, 09:54:17 PM
Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.
Eight years, one album. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.
Eight years, one album. :lol

  :lol To be fair, the guy has put out a LOT of solo albums, and some of them are really good!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.
Eight years, one album. :lol

Well yea, but they were a live band for the most part at that point. He wasn't really there to write as much as perform.

That's one of the things I'm worried about. Dude seems way more of a performer (or even instructor) than writer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 11, 2017, 10:25:58 PM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2017, 11:03:05 PM
But...a member of the band posted something. How is that our fault?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
But...a member of the band posted something. How is that our fault?

Totally. There's not a ton of people in the studio, just tell them to stop filming/posting things. Easier than telling thousands of people to stop talking about it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 12, 2017, 12:36:43 AM
So Mike's fans arent't allowed to speculate based on the things we see? Because he 'doesn't want it'? Come on man, this sort of thing is inevitable in the internet age.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 12, 2017, 12:40:31 AM
But...a member of the band posted something. How is that our fault?

Totally. There's not a ton of people in the studio, just tell them to stop filming/posting things. Easier than telling thousands of people to stop talking about it.

For a group you supposedly have total creative control over, it should be pretty easy to tell them to stop, right?   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 12, 2017, 12:46:37 AM
He can delete posts from his own board but he can't fromothetfrom other places, like this, so I don't see why he bothers. Stop the leaks if you want to stop the talk.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 12, 2017, 12:55:03 AM
Wow, drama this early.  :corn

I like Bumblefoot when he was still using his name Ron Thal. He sounded like Mike Keneally then. Maybe he could bring that Zappa vibe to this group.

I also like how the thread title iS Mike Portnoy PMS. Suits the drama well. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 12, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
You could be satisfied that your teasers spark interest in your future group/project and that people naturally speculate about the participants but you don't have to, although for me the latter doesn't really make sense.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 12, 2017, 06:52:31 AM
Sorry Mike, I love you, but.. stop whining like a little child.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2017, 07:35:28 AM
No, the real question is who the hell is Bumblefoot?

TAC, have you heard of this guy?

Hah, I have. He was in GnR, right. Haven't heard a single note the guy has played though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2017, 07:53:18 AM

Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

Wow. Just Wow.




I also like how the thread title iS Mike Portnoy PMS. Suits the drama well. :lol
:rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mladen on March 12, 2017, 08:43:43 AM
There we go again.  :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 12, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
This is my favorite Ron Thal (Bumblefoot) piece. I could easily imagine this being played in Derek and Mike's style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxOPylHYQps
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 11:46:25 AM

Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

Wow. Just Wow.


STOP YELLING LIKE THAT MIKE! Joking aside, it's nobody's fault but the guy who posted the pic there! Do you think MP will be serving us Never Enough part 2 with his new supergroup?  :biggrin:

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
I get his point but he could have really realized the blame was on his own bandmates and not for fans breaking in into the studio to see what was going on. He could have said "I know you guys are the best detectives in the internet and that there are rumors out there, but you know I have a master plan on revealing things when I know will be the most exciting, and not everybody is analyzing Twitter posts and photos like they work in CSI, so please,  keep the surprise for those who aren't actively looking for any minute detail and bear with me, trust me, it will be worth it!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 12:24:52 PM
I get his point but he could have really realized the blame was on his own bandmates and not for fans breaking in into the studio to see what was going on. He could have said "I know you guys are the best detectives in the internet and that there are rumors out there, but you know I have a master plan on revealing things when I know will be the most exciting, and not everybody is analyzing Twitter posts and photos like they work in CSI, so please,  keep the surprise for those who aren't actively looking for any minute detail and bear with me, trust me, it will be worth it!"

Yeah, I guess it would have been more reasonable.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
Portnoy over-react ?

This is brand new information !

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/avatar_94b105a3b4e6_128.png)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 02:12:01 PM
This is already way more entertaining than I could have hoped for :rollin

MP, we missed you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: pogoowner on March 12, 2017, 02:18:36 PM
Jesus. :lol

The only person he should be upset with is the person who posted the video that, you know, included Bumblefoot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 12, 2017, 02:19:38 PM
Jesus. :lol

The only person he should be upset with is the person who posted the video that, you know, included Bumblefoot.

BUMBLEFOOT?

Is he in this band?







:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2017, 02:27:49 PM
Bumblefoot MAY be in THIS band but *I* won't let YOU know until *I* decide THE time is RIGHT !!!


:         )








was ChaosSystem MP all along ?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 03:38:49 PM
was ChaosSystem MP all along ?

You never know...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 12, 2017, 03:44:08 PM
No more teasing until the summer... I wonder if he can get everyone involved to stop posting on social media

Deleting posts on his own board must be the least effective way of stopping leaks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 12, 2017, 05:21:17 PM
was ChaosSystem MP all along ?

You never know...

Whatever happened to him btw?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 05:34:06 PM
Speaking about deleting posts, yesterday night I replied Mike's tweet of him and DS in the studio (this one: https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/840655819557367808) saying: @MikePortnoy @DerekSherinian Don't forget to tag @Bumblefoot   ;) "

I went to sleep after that, since it was late here where I live. Well... woke up in the morning today and, guess what? Found MP had sent me a DM saying:
"Don't make me block you...
We have NOT announced our guitar player".

I'm not making this out, I took an screenshot and still have the message with me. If i ever figure out how to attach the shot here I'll post it, or I can mail it to anyone if you want  :P

He didn't block me, and was "kind enough" to warn me first, so I deleted the tweet. Still, like some people have said in earlier posts, that's not the best way to manage the leaks. Just tell the people next to you to stop filming posting stuff online and that's it! Isn't even that difficult, Mike. I guess his "same level of control as I had in DT" means he gets to decide how the other guys use their social media accounts?  :huh:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Whatever happened to him btw?

He got banned I think. If I remember correctly, he started getting really confrontational towards the end.

Sorry... towards THE end

Also, gzarruk. I hope you find a way to post that screenshot. That sounds hilarious. I don't know how I'd react and that your tweet was "block worthy"  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
But it's not even something to get angry about. If it's not Bumblefoot, just say: "Nice try, but keep guessing" Not get pissed off and block people and delete comments and such
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 12, 2017, 05:40:10 PM
I can understand why he is upset. But, he should know how his fans are.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 05:45:23 PM
But it's not even something to get angry about. If it's not Bumblefoot, just say: "Nice try, but keep guessing" Not get pissed off and block people and delete comments and such

I also heard that he just got brand new floors.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 05:58:05 PM
It's just a control thing. He had a specific release schedule in mind, and that's all out the window now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 06:02:40 PM
It's just a control thing. He had a specific release schedule in mind, and that's all out the window now.

But Bumblefoot already released a press statement!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 06:19:23 PM
Also, gzarruk. I hope you find a way to post that screenshot. That sounds hilarious. I don't know how I'd react and that your tweet was "block worthy"  :lol

Well, I said something like "Sorry Mike, will delete the tweet now". But yeah, that was interesting  :lol

Since I don't really know how to attach pics here, I uploaded it to my dropbox so you can see it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q61ullvniexuvsp/MP%20Tweet.jpg?dl=0
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 12, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Right after I identified Bumblefoot I tweeted the pic to him Mike, and Derek but I deleted it not long after because I felt like Mike would call me out on it and I'd face the wrath of his rabid fanbase.
Bumblefoot actually followed me on Twitter after I posted it.

I hope we didn't get Derek's keyboard tech fired :mehlin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on March 12, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something. 

:lol Oh Mike
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
Right after I identified Bumblefoot I tweeted the pic to him Mike, and Derek but I deleted it not long after because I felt like Mike would call me out on it and I'd face the wrath of his rabid fanbase.
Bumblefoot actually followed me on Twitter after I posted it.

I hope we didn't get Derek's keyboard tech fired :mehlin

Maybe he went to the session with an ADTOE shirt?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 12, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
He still says *I*

All is still normal in the world
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 07:15:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/Mobile%20Uploads/76062163_zpsc9r42djq.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/Mobile%20Uploads/76062163_zpsc9r42djq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
Quote from: author Mike Portnoy
Of course you can speculate and look for clues!! That's half the fun!
The posts that were deleted were sharing information that was not supposed to be shared or leaked.
(and they were deleted for a reason...so please do not try to re-post them!)


...and several people (you know who you are) were going around to several social medias posting certain things based on that as "confirmed news" which is NOT the case....
 
The only things that CAN be confirmed and announced so far are the few things I have posted on MY social media...anything else from anywhere else is just "rumor and speculation" so far...
 
I DO indeed enjoy the excitement and speculation...that is indeed why I post "teasers" in the first place.
But there is a method to my madness and a reason why only certain things have been announced so far!
 
On that note, my "Del Fulvio" post yesterday is the last teaser for a while...there will likely not be any further official announcements or info on this band until Summer time when we are ready to properly "unveil" it and setup the album's release...
 
So, please speculate all you want from the "official" information that I have posted so far... 
 
MP


Gzarruk, you know who you are!  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: author Mike Portnoy
Of course you can speculate and look for clues!! That's half the fun!
The posts that were deleted were sharing information that was not supposed to be shared or leaked.
(and they were deleted for a reason...so please do not try to re-post them!)


...and several people (you know who you are) were going around to several social medias posting certain things based on that as "confirmed news" which is NOT the case....
 
The only things that CAN be confirmed and announced so far are the few things I have posted on MY social media...anything else from anywhere else is just "rumor and speculation" so far...
 
I DO indeed enjoy the excitement and speculation...that is indeed why I post "teasers" in the first place.
But there is a method to my madness and a reason why only certain things have been announced so far!
 
On that note, my "Del Fulvio" post yesterday is the last teaser for a while...there will likely not be any further official announcements or info on this band until Summer time when we are ready to properly "unveil" it and setup the album's release...
 
So, please speculate all you want from the "official" information that I have posted so far... 
 
MP


Gzarruk, you know who you are!  :lol

Oh, man, I just posted a short tweet  :lol Mike's OCD about having everything done his way is messing up with him, big time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 07:52:15 PM
Oh god, just imagine what happens when Blabbermouth gets wind of this...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 08:17:57 PM
Where did he post this? On his forum?

Oh god, just imagine what happens when Blabbermouth gets wind of this...

It's been a while since something like this happened with Mike, we should've seen it coming  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
Yeah, it's over on his forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 13, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/DB2oahQFa0qeQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:23:28 AM
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/6402d2_78e2d9c0897e457592540ef0517b573a_zpsov7dv0qk.jpg)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DB2oahQFa0qeQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 13, 2017, 12:36:00 AM
I will disembowel you with a spoon
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:39:33 AM
Yes please!


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 13, 2017, 12:54:17 AM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.

The ironicc thing is that MP is the most active among DT (and ex-DT) members in social media but he seems to be the one who does not know how social media works. Just compare how he is handling the secrecy of this project to the way DT handled the secrecy of The Astonishing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:56:58 AM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.

The ironicc thing is that MP is the most active among DT (and ex-DT) members in social media but he seems to be the one who does not know how social media works. Just compare how he is handling the secrecy of this project to the way DT handled the secrecy of The Astonishing.

DT didn't handle it great either though. They had basically complete silence till the point where a good amount of people were losing interest.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 13, 2017, 01:12:52 AM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.

The ironicc thing is that MP is the most active among DT (and ex-DT) members in social media but he seems to be the one who does not know how social media works. Just compare how he is handling the secrecy of this project to the way DT handled the secrecy of The Astonishing.

DT didn't handle it great either though. They had basically complete silence till the point where a good amount of people were losing interest.

Yes, but I was talking more about how to handle the leakage of information in social media. In terms of drumming up interest, it's a different story.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:15:01 AM
Oh, I gotcha. Yea, I don't remember any leaks until possibly the very end.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nobloodyname on March 13, 2017, 01:16:54 AM
Oh dear. While the bashing may or may not be fair, it does get old quite quickly and it's always the same people, too.

Anyway, I found myself checking out Bumblefoot's last solo release yesterday, Little Brother is Watching, in light of the possibility he's involved in MP's project. Have to say, I was quite impressed although it was more rock than I expected. Does anyone know if he's ever played metal before?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 13, 2017, 02:21:57 AM
Mike:

"The only things that CAN be confirmed and announced so far are the few things I have posted on MY social media...anything else from anywhere else is just "rumor and speculation" so far... "

No, anything else is a video posted by someone who works in the studio that had a split second frame of the guitarist. It's not that someone figured out the studio and stalked it out, seeing who's coming and going, or that anyone broke into the studio, hacked a personal and private account... someone in the studio messed up. He should have admitted it, I understand his point, and he's to admire for the attention to details and building up the excitement (I remember him saying that the downloads were not annoying for the financial side, but more for the spoiling of the surprise, he wanted DT fans to have the same experience of the new album at the same time), but it's so hard to just say "I know someone posted a video that started speculation, please, those of you who didn't see the video or got hold of the clues just don't spoil the surprise for those who don't even know such a video existed"?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 13, 2017, 02:27:36 AM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

This is actually a very good point!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 13, 2017, 03:03:06 AM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

This is actually a very good point!

Yeah I've thought about that too, or maybe Bumblefoot has a small guest spot or something. It's possible he's not 'the guitarist'. Worst thing would be that the clip was from a sort of audition or jam, and he didn't make the band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 04:21:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/b8HAf80.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 04:23:56 AM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

This is actually a very good point!

Yeah I've thought about that too, or maybe Bumblefoot has a small guest spot or something. It's possible he's not 'the guitarist'. Worst thing would be that the clip was from a sort of audition or jam, and he didn't make the band.

Very good point. If that is so, I wonder to what extent it may decide MP not to have Ron Thal as a guitarist finally even if it was initially decided it would be him.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 04:27:05 AM
BREAKING NEWS :

MP decides to fire the camera that took the photo in the studio. Poor guy wasn't prepared as he was envisioning a career in rock photographing.

Should I have written in green?

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 13, 2017, 04:37:53 AM
Firing a camera is a bit extreme.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 13, 2017, 04:38:59 AM
I haven't listened to any of MP's post DT stuff at all (excluding Nightmare by A7X I suppose). I might check out this 'supergroup', or I might not, either way though this is all  :corn :corn :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 06:03:58 AM
I wonder if this will be a "Prog Allegiance" kind of thing, with a revolving door of musicians with every song. That might be why he doesn't want the news about Bumblefoot coming out because he's not the only guitarist involved and he doesnt want people to think that.
Derek said he was spending 10 days in the studio, so I think they've written the bulk of the music now and are gonna record the rest of the guest appearances over the next few months, hence why he doesn't want to announce a lineup yet. He doesn't know who else will/will not be involved.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 06:24:44 AM
Yeah all it needed was

" : ) oops!!! Someone was a bit camera happy in the studio !!

Close call !! But keep guessing !! : ) "
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 13, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
This thread is awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2017, 09:07:59 AM
I think you guys are being way too harsh on Mike.   Seriously. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 13, 2017, 09:56:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/b8HAf80.jpg)

Thanks for posting it here! I'll remove it from my dropbox now  :tup

I wonder if this will be a "Prog Allegiance" kind of thing, with a revolving door of musicians with every song. That might be why he doesn't want the news about Bumblefoot coming out because he's not the only guitarist involved and he doesnt want people to think that.
Derek said he was spending 10 days in the studio, so I think they've written the bulk of the music now and are gonna record the rest of the guest appearances over the next few months, hence why he doesn't want to announce a lineup yet. He doesn't know who else will/will not be involved.

I don't think so. On the pic I shared (and Kotowboy posted) Mike said "we have NOT announced our guitar player", he didn't say players or anything like that. I think Bumblefoot is the guitarist for the band, just that MP is overreacting with the leaks here, as he clearly wants people to know these things when HE decides it's time to.  Also, a "prog allegiance" band would make me lose my interest in this album, seriously  :-\

Also, as a fun fact, Bumblefoot played a couple guest solos on Jordan's cover album The Road Home, a few years ago.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 13, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
I think you guys are being way too harsh on Mike.   Seriously.

I wouldn't say so. I think it is valid for him to be pissed or annoyed if things leak before he wants them to but I can't say I agree with the way he is going about it. Taking it out on his fanbase because they are curious is not really a good move IMO. It's obviously not been hard to find these leaks so really his anger is aimed in the wrong direction. If Bumblefoot released a press statement then it seems daft to get frustrated that his fans then shared this or whatever  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
I think you guys are being way too harsh on Mike.   Seriously.
On the contrary, compared to some of the stuff I've seen thrown his way over the years, this was less than I expected.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 12:16:06 PM
Compared to some of the stuff he has thrown our way, this is pretty mild.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:16:56 PM
Compared to some of the stuff he has thrown our way, this is pretty mild.
Indeed  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
And of course, we are under no obligation to take anything down that has been posted here.  That isn't to say I might not consider it.  But

(http://i.imgur.com/miwrQz6.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:22:34 PM
Take caution in your tone, Commander. I'm a fair guy, but this fucking heat is making me absolutely crazy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2017, 12:27:53 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 12:31:19 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.

I see what you did thare. Good joke! :lol

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 12:31:28 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.

:clap:

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.
lol

But it is what it is.  Hopefully the rest of his rollout will go smoothly.  And, of course, what matters most is how good the music is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2017, 12:53:24 PM
I think that aspect makes it so hilarious, at least to me. I mean, who gives a flying hoot about the exact date when musician X is announced. What matters is the music.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 13, 2017, 01:11:40 PM
Does anyone else think that Bumblefoot is overrated? Also, isn't he in that band with Scott Stapp now? Honestly if he is the primary guitar player then my level of excitement for this has decreased.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 13, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
Overrated? Not even.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
People dismissing a project when they haven't heard a single not yet...I'll never understand that  :\

Who dismissed it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
Does anyone else think that Bumblefoot is overrated? Also, isn't he in that band with Scott Stapp now? Honestly if he is the primary guitar player then my level of excitement for this has decreased.

Not at all. Ron Thal is a very good guitarist and very creative at that.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 01:38:03 PM
People dismissing a project when they haven't heard a single not yet...I'll never understand that  :\

Who dismissed it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:40:02 PM
People dismissing a project when they haven't heard a single not yet...I'll never understand that  :\

Who dismissed it?

Referring to this:

Does anyone else think that Bumblefoot is overrated? Also, isn't he in that band with Scott Stapp now? Honestly if he is the primary guitar player then my level of excitement for this has decreased.

Maybe dismissed wasn't the right word, my bad, but at least wait until we hear a single or something before passing judgement on a brand new project. I'll admit Bumblefoot doesn't impress me but I'm definitely interested in hearing how he sounds in this kind of setting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
Sure, but his excitement can decrease.

If a guitarist you didn't care for was announced, you'd probably be a little less excited too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:46:20 PM
It was an unnecessary comment. Apologies. :angel:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:47:10 PM
It was an unnecessary comment. Apologies. :angel:

We don't take kindly to unnecessary comments round these parts!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Art on March 13, 2017, 01:48:41 PM
The only thing i heard by Bumblefoot is GnR. I have no idea what to expect from him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
It was an unnecessary comment. Apologies. :angel:

We don't take kindly to unnecessary comments round these parts!
:emo:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ariich on March 13, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
Taking it out on his fanbase because they are curious is not really a good move IMO. It's obviously not been hard to find these leaks so really his anger is aimed in the wrong direction. If Bumblefoot released a press statement then it seems daft to get frustrated that his fans then shared this or whatever  :lol
It also seems pretty counter-intuitive to me.

>posts teases to get people excited
>people get excited enough to dig into what's been teased to work out who the guitarist probably is
>gets annoyed at fans for getting too excited

Seems to me the excited reaction it generated is exactly what Mike would surely have wanted, even if it meant accidentally revealing the guitarist earlier than planned.

*shrug*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 13, 2017, 02:01:44 PM
I think that aspect makes it so hilarious, at least to me. I mean, who gives a flying hoot about the exact date when musician X is announced. What matters is the music.

No shit.  I mean, maybe Bumblefoot isn't officially in the band yet.  Just say so.  Is this a Derek & Mike led project and they're still figuring out who the rest will be?  Just say so.  Perhaps Bumblefoot is one of 7 world class guitarists auditioning for the band and they're making a documentary about the selection process in which case Eddie Trunk will just leak who it is.  Just kidding.  Eddie would never do that to his friend.  Only to his friend's ex-band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 13, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
Taking it out on his fanbase because they are curious is not really a good move IMO. It's obviously not been hard to find these leaks so really his anger is aimed in the wrong direction. If Bumblefoot released a press statement then it seems daft to get frustrated that his fans then shared this or whatever  :lol
It also seems pretty counter-intuitive to me.

>posts teases to get people excited
>people get excited enough to dig into what's been teased to work out who the guitarist probably is
>gets annoyed at fans for getting too excited

Seems to me the excited reaction it generated is exactly what Mike would surely have wanted, even if it meant accidentally revealing the guitarist earlier than planned.

*shrug*

Exactly, you can't have it both ways. If you want to tease your fans to get them excited you can't get angry when they unearth some new info you didn't actually want them to know about  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on March 13, 2017, 02:59:05 PM
I don't know much about Ron Thal, but I searched on youtube some music from "the adventures of Bumblefoot" and my first impression was good. I found it very interesting, instrumental songs, not too metal, but with cool Zappa influences, without being too crazy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 13, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
re: Bumblefoot -- wouldn't surprise me at all. NYC guy, MP probably knows him well, Art of Anarchy is just getting started, and very different than progressive metal.

That said, if it WAS him, I'd be a tad disappointed. However, they could be auditioning guitarists too. I think MP's reaction probably has had the opposite effect that he wanted. Because of his outburst, he has people thinking it IS Bumble, as opposed to one guy. Who knows, maybe there's two guitarists in the band. Something JP said he'd never do with DT, but maybe Mike would do it.

Long story short -- MP overreacted (shocker), Bumblefoot may be in the band, and hey, dude can play. Not sure if he can really write songs, but he can play. For me personally, it wouldn't be what I wanted to see/hear, but I'm looking forward to the album info this summer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 03:44:07 PM
Has MP ever been in a band with two full time guitarists? (As in not someone who occasionally plays like Casey)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2017, 03:48:17 PM
Regarding Ron Thal, I think he is an incredibly skilled guitarist. His own stuff is quirky (which is good) but never exciting, but this might be one of those cases where maybe the influence of the other guys adds some new angle.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
Has MP ever been in a band with two full time guitarists? (As in not someone who occasionally plays like Casey)
Do you count him being "in" A7X or Twisted Sister?  Adrenaline Mob initially had two.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
I'm going to say no to bands he subbed for.

Wasn't sure how many guitarists TA have.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Wasn't sure how many guitarists TA have.

Same is NM Band--one "full-time" guitarist, with Neal often subbing in on guitar as well.

So I guess the answer to your question is, no, he hasn't been in a band with 2 guitarists where he was somewhat in control of the band or involved in the writing.  But he has played in a handful of bands with 2 guitarists, so it isn't totally foreign to him.  But not sure that really advances the ball in terms of whether he will have 2 (or more) guitarists in this new band. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 13, 2017, 04:30:29 PM
Almost all his bands have only one (main) guitarist, so he decided to try something different and got 3 for TSF  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2017, 04:32:59 PM
By the wording of the Twitter DM that was posted earlier in this thread, it seems like this new project will feature ONLY ONE guitarist, so if isn't Bumblefoot, then he's not in it at all.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 04:35:40 PM
I was going to point out earlier that his use of the singular might seem to indicate that.  But we can't say that is the case for certain, as he is keeping things intentionally vague. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 13, 2017, 04:40:17 PM
I listened to a quick sampling of Bumblefoot's solo work. Not too bad. Some people say his playing is more rock than metal... and some people seem to think he isn't going to be up to snuff..

Well look at DS after he left Dream Theater. He wound up going from kinda meh (I love his playing but he wasn't super duper technical) to "holy shit" in the Planet X stuff.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 13, 2017, 05:50:02 PM
I just realized this: Geddy and Alex are available... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
I think that aspect makes it so hilarious, at least to me. I mean, who gives a flying hoot about the exact date when musician X is announced. What matters is the music.

 :tup :tup

I just realized this: Geddy and Alex are available... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

No.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on March 13, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
Never have a followed a thread so closely for an artist/band whose music I have no interest in. Keep it up guys!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 13, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 13, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead is also a very prolific songwriter (he has something like 60 albums) who would not be happy with not having a lot of creative control.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 13, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
Buckethead does 60 albums a month  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 13, 2017, 07:38:47 PM
Buckethead is also a very prolific songwriter (he has something like 60 albums) who would not be happy with not having a lot of creative control.
I think you mean 60 albums a day. He just released his 285th album last week  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.

I'm still waiting for the bass player to be Stumblebum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 13, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
I wonder if Bumblefoot ever took a Slash in Buckethead's bucket.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2017, 08:38:53 PM
I wonder if Bumblefoot ever took a Slash in Buckethead's bucket.

Yeah, probably made him Dizzy in his Izzy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 13, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.

I'm still waiting for the bass player to be Stumblebum.

Fun fact: I was reading up on Iron Maiden for some reason and found out there actually is a guy in existence who calls himself Thunderstick. 

Maybe they could replace Portnoy with Thunderstick. 


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 13, 2017, 11:11:44 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.

In fairness to Ron Thal, he initially did not go by the Bumblefoot name. I guess the name stuck because he became an overnight sensation in the guitar instrumental community after he released his debut album, The Adventures of Bumblefoot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 14, 2017, 01:47:18 AM
Buckethead is also a very prolific songwriter (he has something like 60 albums) who would not be happy with not having a lot of creative control.
I think you mean 60 albums a day. He just released his 285th album last week  :lol

Damn you weren't kidding  :omg: :omg: :omg:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 14, 2017, 09:10:25 AM
Buckethead vs Omar Rodriguez-Lopez

the contest on who can release more albums in a lifetime.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 14, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".

Exactly. We're the technology available to Hendrix, EVH etc that would allow them to record and mix right there on the spot they'd have done the same. "Writing" and recording an album these days is pretty friggin simple. I could do it with a couple neighbors.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 14, 2017, 11:57:30 AM
The obvious big selling point of this band is going to be the vocalist and the songwriter. If so far, your main songwriters (music) are Derek and (assuming the thing we are talking about is true) Bumblefoot, that leaves me underwhelmed. But again, Bumble could surprise and slay, and I like Derek as a songwriter. So that leaves the big thing -- who is singing. I'm really curious if MP does the expected. I hope he does, and I hope the guy slays (would be a real interesting move if he went with a frontwoman).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 14, 2017, 11:59:02 AM
The obvious big selling point of this band is going to be the vocalist and the songwriter. If so far, your main songwriters (music) are Derek and (assuming the thing we are talking about is true) Bumblefoot, that leaves me underwhelmed. But again, Bumble could surprise and slay, and I like Derek as a songwriter. So that leaves the big thing -- who is singing. I'm really curious if MP does the expected. I hope he does, and I hope the guy slays (would be a real interesting move if he went with a frontwoman).

This is kinda where I am with this whole thing. I look forward to the reveal of the singer, that will be really interesting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
I worked out that id written, recorded and released 15 albums of original material since 2006.

A lot of those are only 30 minutes long - but still.

It shouldn't take a band like TOOL 11 years and counting to come up with 75 minutes of music.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 14, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
I only saw him once with GnR, in one of the Rock in Rio editions. He put on a stormtrooper mask, but missed a bunch of notes to the point of embarass,ent, and started playing well when he took it off. It was embarassing. But when he´s "serious" about his playing, he´s really good - at least from the YouTube videos I´ve seen.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2017, 12:18:13 PM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet, even about the songwriting.  I mean, we know Derek has writing chops.  And he can play and compose on both keyboard and guitar.  I have no idea what Thal's writing skills are like.  But I also don't know that he is the sole guitar player.  There might be another.  And whoever is on bass or guitar may also be a prolific writer.  We just don't know at this point.  I'm trying to just not have any preconceived notions.  Except for the fact that most true progressive metal does little for me and generally leaves me cold, outside of a handful of bands (DT, modern FW, Redemption).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious that MP was single handedly writing every song?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 14, 2017, 12:20:24 PM
I worked out that id written, recorded and released 15 albums of original material since 2006.

A lot of those are only 30 minutes long - but still.

It shouldn't take a band like TOOL 11 years and counting to come up with 75 minutes of music.

Hasn't TOOL, or at least Maynard all but admitted through various interviews that the sole reason they record and/or tour is financial? That there's no love of music or passion influencing them. Heck, I remember reading an interview where he rips on fans for being fans.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 14, 2017, 12:42:14 PM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet, even about the songwriting.  I mean, we know Derek has writing chops.  And he can play and compose on both keyboard and guitar.  I have no idea what Thal's writing skills are like.  But I also don't know that he is the sole guitar player.  There might be another.  And whoever is on bass or guitar may also be a prolific writer.  We just don't know at this point.  I'm trying to just not have any preconceived notions.  Except for the fact that most true progressive metal does little for me and generally leaves me cold, outside of a handful of bands (DT, modern FW, Redemption).

Whether you like his music or not is one thing, but he has chops.  He's got, what, ten albums or so, and as I understand it, he's done a lot with TV and ad jingles and theme music.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 12:42:53 PM
I worked out that id written, recorded and released 15 albums of original material since 2006.

A lot of those are only 30 minutes long - but still.

It shouldn't take a band like TOOL 11 years and counting to come up with 75 minutes of music.

Hasn't TOOL, or at least Maynard all but admitted through various interviews that the sole reason they record and/or tour is financial? That there's no love of music or passion influencing them. Heck, I remember reading an interview where he rips on fans for being fans.


Wouldn't shock me.

If you loved to create - you wouldn't have done nothing for 11 years.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 14, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
re: TOOL -- that is a weird band. I love the music, but it has been 11 years. I know there was a huge lawsuit impeding them, but I thought (could be wrong) it was settled a couple years ago. If they were serious about putting out music, you would think they would have by now.

re: bosk1 comments on Portnoy group -- yeah, you're on there. But it's hard to not expect it to be SOMETHING. Derek absolutely can write (his solo albums are awesome). But like you, I have no Bumblefoot writing knowledge. I am sure he can, but I don't really recall anything he's ever done being more than a blip on a radar screen (and that was his involvement with GnR). So I am hoping, if he IS part of this group, he either has been holding back for years in the writing department, or there's someone else, guitar player-wise that compliments him and is a killer songwriter.

But the vocals...the vocals. MP has to get that right. If he doesn't, this band will sink before it even releases a record.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Grappler on March 14, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
I have no Bumblefoot writing knowledge. I am sure he can, but I don't really recall anything he's ever done being more than a blip on a radar screen (and that was his involvement with GnR).

He wrote the theme to THAT METAL SHOW.    :metal

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
re: bosk1 comments on Portnoy group -- yeah, you're on there. But it's hard to not expect it to be SOMETHING.

Yeah, I know.  But when I hear MP, I simultaneously have two separate reactions:  (1) "It's Mike.  And it's metal.  That reminds me of DT, so it's bound to be really good!"  And (2) "It's 'progressive metal,' so that means I'll probably spend some time with it trying to justify why I should like it, and I'll ultimately just realize that I don't."  Those are my two knee-jerk reactions.  And, to be fair, both of them are unfair reactions, and neither one of them may be right.  And that thought process just highlights to me why having expectations going in just isn't really fair or productive.  And notwithstanding that I think Mike was WAY off base about his response to fans figuring out that Thal is in this, I get where he is coming from and think it is motivated by him not wanting people to form preconceived notions before hearing the music.  And especially knowing his fan base, I think that's valid.

But the vocals...the vocals. MP has to get that right. If he doesn't, this band will sink before it even releases a record.

Yeah, I agree.  But I think my conception of getting the vocals "right" may be a bit broader than yours.  I've broadened my perspective a lot of the years about vocals, just because of exposure to bands doing vocal styles that I didn't think I would like, but have come to appreciate.  And some of that is in connection with projects Mike has worked on.  And don't get me wrong--I would love for him to get the next Russell Allen.  But as long as the vocalist has the chops to pull of vocals that fit the music, that's the right call.  It doesn't necessarily have to be someone who belts like James in his prime, or Russell.  But it can't be someone like the guy from Haken either. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 14, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
re: TOOL -- that is a weird band. I love the music, but it has been 11 years. I know there was a huge lawsuit impeding them, but I thought (could be wrong) it was settled a couple years ago. If they were serious about putting out music, you would think they would have by now.

Well, Maynard has continued to be very prolific. Not his fault Tool fans aren't interested - and are sometimes outright dismissive - of the type of material he has been putting out. As for the rest of the guys - who knows.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 14, 2017, 03:27:57 PM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".

False. I USED to think that but really delved in when he had his $2 per album sale. It seems about a quarter of what hes done is beautiful mellow stuff. Another quarter is awesome rock/metal stuff. There is also a fair mix of straight up shredding, funk, and even albums where he just makes noise for 30 minutes. So i could do without half his stuff but the other half is excellent.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 14, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
What if he gets Gildenlöw? He's a great singer and he has writing skills. Of course, DG is busy with his own band right now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 03:54:20 PM
What if he gets Gildenlöw? He's a great singer and he has writing skills. Of course, DG is busy with his own band right now.

I'd only want Gildenlow if DG was fully enthusiastic about it and had at least 50% creative control.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 14, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
Geddy Lee
MP
Bumblefoot
Derek
Gildenlow

I'd pay good money to see this lineup play ANYTHING. Release an album of Bieber covers for all I care.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 14, 2017, 04:56:42 PM
That are the odds that its Ted Leonard on Vox?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2017, 05:03:47 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 05:12:38 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.

:o You have insider knowledge ?!?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 14, 2017, 05:17:48 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.

If MP wanted that info out there, he would've posted it himself. Aren't you paying attention?

You're going to cause another bolded angry message!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 14, 2017, 05:49:03 PM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".

False. I USED to think that but really delved in when he had his $2 per album sale. It seems about a quarter of what hes done is beautiful mellow stuff. Another quarter is awesome rock/metal stuff. There is also a fair mix of straight up shredding, funk, and even albums where he just makes noise for 30 minutes. So i could do without half his stuff but the other half is excellent.

This. Tons of variety in those albums. Also a lot of them are noodly, but a surprising amount of them seem well crafted and composed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 14, 2017, 05:50:07 PM
That are the odds that its Ted Leonard on Vox?

I'd be down for that. I liked his work with his previous prog metal super group Affector, so I could hear him on something like this, which oddly enough featured Neal Morse's other live drummer from his European Band tour days (before Mike and Randy started touring with him), as well as keyboards from Neal himself and Derek Sherinian.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 14, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
If Ted is involved, I'd be on top of that like Jackie on a jackalope movie starring Nick Cage.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on March 14, 2017, 05:57:51 PM
Ted is from the West Coast, so I'd love to see that be the case.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.


Dude! Spoilers!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 14, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.

If MP wanted that info out there, he would've posted it himself. Aren't you paying attention?

You're going to cause another bolded angry message!

Don't MAKE him BLOCK you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 14, 2017, 08:01:48 PM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet, even about the songwriting.  I mean, we know Derek has writing chops.  And he can play and compose on both keyboard and guitar.  I have no idea what Thal's writing skills are like.  But I also don't know that he is the sole guitar player.  There might be another.  And whoever is on bass or guitar may also be a prolific writer.  We just don't know at this point.  I'm trying to just not have any preconceived notions.  Except for the fact that most true progressive metal does little for me and generally leaves me cold, outside of a handful of bands (DT, modern FW, Redemption).

Ron Thal can write. Here is an example:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcjq5I0egOI

He's more of in the Mike Keneally / Steve Vai school of quirky songwriting, but I think he could work well with Derek.

And he can sing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnLBEiLOSCc
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 08:35:38 PM
I mean, I think we all knew has has written and he also does some singing, the question we were asking was can he write well enough and strong enough to make this band something we all care about.

That clip you showed for his writing doesn't do much to inspire me. It's not bad at all, it's just very.......been there done that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 14, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
Been there done that today, but that song was released in 1995. Mike Keneally has not even released an album back then and Derek was just starting with DT. Ron Thal recorded that in his parents' house's basement.  :rollin

Anyway, here is more recent output, written when his father died:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzBGmKqDGC8
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 08:54:07 PM
That song wasn't going to be groundbreaking in 1995 either. It was just more with the times.

And how a dude wrote 20 years ago has no impact on how he writes today.


Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 14, 2017, 10:17:54 PM
Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

Russell would be great, but he's in the process of creating a new AMOB album. And, please please please, no more Billy Sheehan. He's a great bassist, but he doesn't fit this genere at all. He ruined the PSMS stuff imo.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 10:24:22 PM
Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

Russell would be great, but he's in the process of creating a new AMOB album. And, please please please, no more Billy Sheehan. He's a great bassist, but he doesn't fit this genere at all. He ruined the PSMS stuff imo.

Oh I know, I was just talking about that video.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 14, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

Russell would be great, but he's in the process of creating a new AMOB album. And, please please please, no more Billy Sheehan. He's a great bassist, but he doesn't fit this genere at all. He ruined the PSMS stuff imo.

Oh I know, I was just talking about that video.

Great you found that video, though, didn't remember it at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 10:42:43 PM
I'm with Adami that while Thal's output is very well executed, it has a strong "been there done that" feeling. The most interesting song I've heard so far ("Don't know who to pray to anymore") has a very 90s feel to it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 10:59:49 PM
BTW, people are wracking their brains about a possible singer. What about the one that sang for LTE and Planet X?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
BTW, people are wracking their brains about a possible singer. What about the one that sang for LTE and Planet X?

Pretty sure John Myung is busy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 11:04:55 PM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

Yea, I'm mostly interested in seeing who the bassist is. If he picks a standard who has chops or someone with a really cool personality in his playing.



....or her.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 15, 2017, 02:40:47 AM
Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

In the time of iPhones being able to make great videos, why do people continue recording stuff with a potato?


I hope the project is not instrumental. That's cool for like one or two albums.. but I'd really like a singer to join.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 15, 2017, 03:00:17 AM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 15, 2017, 03:29:39 AM
The censorship is strong!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2017, 07:41:46 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

Good point, it might be. Personally I hope not, but you're right there's a good possibility it is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 15, 2017, 07:44:58 AM
Instrumental would not interest me at all. I think if they want to have a chance at wider appeal (relatively speaking), it needs vocals.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 15, 2017, 07:47:09 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

And if so, I predict now, it will be a total flop except for a handful of Dream Theater fan and uber prog people. I doubt MP would go through all that trouble to do a very niche project. But who knows.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2017, 07:48:32 AM
I feel like an instrumental prog-metal group with Mike and Derek would basically just be PSMS with original tunes. That's why I'm hoping there is a vocalist, so that this is something different.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 15, 2017, 07:50:28 AM
Ron Thal and Mike Portnoy on vocals.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 15, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

And if so, I predict now, it will be a total flop except for a handful of Dream Theater fan and uber prog people. I doubt MP would go through all that trouble to do a very niche project. But who knows.
Agreed.  I would likely buy it, but with lukewarm interest.

That 2013 NAMM video is cool, by the way.  It's pretty neat seeing accomplished players messing around and being so loose and so tight at the same time. 

But in any case, as we continue to speculate about who the players will be, just keep in mind that there is no shortage of talent out there in the music world.  I have no doubt that whoever Mike pulled in will have serious chops.  And while there are plenty of examples of talented individuals coming together to make music that somehow doesn't manage to gel, Mike does have a pretty good track record in terms of quality output when he has a fair degree of creative control.  It isn't a "spotless" record, but it's pretty darned good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 15, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on March 15, 2017, 09:26:38 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

I think it's a matter of intent. If he just wants a fun project with some people he wants to make music with again, instrumental is fine. If he wants this to be a financially stable thing with a stronger future, then I absolutely think he needs a vocalist.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: tofee35 on March 15, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
It would be really cool if, for this project, he didn't hand pick a bunch of guys that are in existing bands. There are plenty of session guys with the chops and talent to play at this level... guys that haven't found their niche or band yet. It would be really interesting to hear MP with some really talented guys who haven't had a voice yet.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 15, 2017, 10:06:50 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

Yes, with Derek onboard, it might get compared to Planet X. Which has come out with pretty good albums and actually became a showcase for Virgil Donati's superdrummer abilities.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 15, 2017, 10:55:52 AM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin

I wonder if MP actually takes time to go through every post to see which ones violate his rule of "I'm the only one who can post info about this, if you do, I'll block you".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 15, 2017, 11:10:00 AM
I love MP but the fact that he still doesn't seem to understand how the internet works boggles my mind. I think he means well but he really comes off bad in a lot of these situations. Kinds reminds of people who take naked pictures of themselves and then freak out when they get leaked. What the hell do they expect is going to happen?

This will be a pass for me if it's instrumental.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on March 15, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Kinds reminds of people who take naked pictures of themselves and then freak out when they get leaked. What the hell do they expect is going to happen?

Well, first off, that's something COMPLETELY different. This would be a whole different situation had someone hacked into Mike's phone, stole the video, and posted it without his consent.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 15, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

Yes, with Derek onboard, it might get compared to Planet X. Which has come out with pretty good albums and actually became a showcase for Virgil Donati's superdrummer abilities.

I definitely agree on that point. I feel PlanetX was so out there in terms of skill, it would be pointless to tread that same ground, because frankly MP would fall short in that comparison anyway. He had to massively simplify that Planet X tune when they played it live.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FracturedMirror on March 15, 2017, 03:01:37 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 15, 2017, 03:13:03 PM
I wish Buckethead did more band projects, but unfortunately he seems to have really isolated himself the past couple years.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 15, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin
It amuses me that on Mike's own board you can't discuss his past band or his present band, but only the ones middle ones, and I'm not even sure all of those are fair game. Bosk should change the rules here so that we can discuss Petrucci, Myung and Kevin Moore, but Mangini, JLB and Rudess are all off limits. Portnoy and Sherinian can be discussed on odd/even days, but only he knows which is which.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 15, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.

Holy crap.  You USED TO have that?  Man, I didn't know such a thing existed.  Would kill to hear that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FracturedMirror on March 15, 2017, 05:39:33 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.

Holy crap.  You USED TO have that?  Man, I didn't know such a thing existed.  Would kill to hear that.

Yeah, I would to.  Lost them in a computer crash, and something happened to the backup discs.  There were different leaks, including some instrumental demos.  I know Shackler's Revenge was one that had a totally different solo on it than on the actual album, and that's one I've never been able to find again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2017, 06:11:13 PM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin
It amuses me that on Mike's own board you can't discuss his past band or his present band, but only the ones middle ones, and I'm not even sure all of those are fair game. Bosk should change the rules here so that we can discuss Petrucci, Myung and Kevin Moore, but Mangini, JLB and Rudess are all off limits. Portnoy and Sherinian can be discussed on odd/even days, but only he knows which is which.

 :lol :lol :lol

Let's sum him up:

-Loves social media.
-Gets overly defensive about any criticism or perceived slight.
-His hardcore fans are apologetic to the point of being almost scary.
-Loves to talk and say anything under the guise of "telling it like it is" and/or "setting the facts straight."

Wait, are we talking about Mike Portnoy or Donald Trump?

 :eek :eek :eek

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 15, 2017, 06:17:43 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.

Holy crap.  You USED TO have that?  Man, I didn't know such a thing existed.  Would kill to hear that.

Yeah, I would to.  Lost them in a computer crash, and something happened to the backup discs.  There were different leaks, including some instrumental demos.  I know Shackler's Revenge was one that had a totally different solo on it than on the actual album, and that's one I've never been able to find again.

Kind of weird Bumble does solos on the few songs Buckethead wrote. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
Perhaps he has to pay a fee or something, which is likely what DT had to do when they took the albums covers of the full albums they covered and altered them a bit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 15, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
Perhaps he has to pay a fee or something, which is likely what DT had to do when they took the albums covers of the full albums they covered and altered them a bit.

Interesting theory.  I thought of that myself.  As it stands, I deleted my initial comment because I got the MP threads mixed up when i meant to post in the other. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
Okay. I threw my comments into the other thread, for the sake of continuity.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 15, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

I think it's a matter of intent. If he just wants a fun project with some people he wants to make music with again, instrumental is fine. If he wants this to be a financially stable thing with a stronger future, then I absolutely think he needs a vocalist.

Agreed. I wouldn't mind it being an instrumental album. Other than LTE, he hasn't done an instrumental project. It would actually be a nice change from his very few projects with singers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
As many others said here, I hope the bassist is not Billy Sheehan. He´s not in the studio with them anyways, and he´s done two other projects with MP. But I really can´t see why some of us think "Billy´s style doesn´t fit prog at all". I thought his sound blended perfectly with MP´s drums in PSMS. Is it his clothing style that bothers you? His stage presence? I know he´s associated with Talas, Mr. Big, David Lee Roth etc. and this carries an image, but aside from that, I really can´t see how his playing style "doesn´t fit prog".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 16, 2017, 06:45:19 AM
I can only answer for myself, but Billy has the worst bass sound of any bass player I know of.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 06:57:40 AM
I can only answer for myself, but Billy has the worst bass sound of any bass player I know of.

 :o :o :-\ :-\

I love him!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 16, 2017, 07:06:13 AM
As a bassist, I dislike him because he overplays everything. He can never just play the role of a bassist, he always has to be flashy. That's ok from time to time, and John Myung is a good example of that working.
Billy is a guitarist who plays a bass, nothing more.

And yeah, his tone is horrible.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 07:10:12 AM
Yeah, that must be why Eddie Van Halen, the king of tones, didn´t want him anywhere near Van Halen.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 08:19:39 AM
As many others said here, I hope the bassist is not Billy Sheehan. He´s not in the studio with them anyways, and he´s done two other projects with MP. But I really can´t see why some of us think "Billy´s style doesn´t fit prog at all". I thought his sound blended perfectly with MP´s drums in PSMS. Is it his clothing style that bothers you? His stage presence? I know he´s associated with Talas, Mr. Big, David Lee Roth etc. and this carries an image, but aside from that, I really can´t see how his playing style "doesn´t fit prog".

I think it's because he's a scientologist  :lol

I love Billy's playing.  The only reason I'd say I'd rather him not be involved is because he already is involved with MP's other projects.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2017, 08:38:55 AM
I've never had a problem with Billy's playing or sound.  I never heard him in Talas.  He does go crazy and play more of a "lead bass" in PSMS or, say, Vai solo stuff.  But not in more "straightforward" rock.  While still definitely "flashy," I never really felt like he was taking over in Mr. Big, DLR, or Winery Dogs.  I'm not saying others can't feel that way, or that you can't feel like his style just doesn't suit you.  Just saying, it never really stood at to me as a problem.  And if he were to be in this project, I'm not sure his flashy, sometimes over the top style is out of place in a genre where bands do things like having three bassists and a "lead bass" approach.  Heck, look at JM's approach in the Majesty/WDADU days. 

That said, it doesn't seem like he is involved in this, which is fine.  I know for me, I would prefer him to NOT be involved.  But that isn't necessarily because of his playing.  Hopefully, Mike has put together a lineup and will help guide the writing of the songs such that the players compliment each other and nobody's particular playing style detracts.  For me, my reasoning is simply because he has recently worked on two projects with Billy, and adding Billy to yet another project would just feel to me a bit incestuous and like he cannot break out of the usual cast of characters.  But we'll see.  I'm optimistic, and I hope the music lives up to the hype.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 16, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
I actually like Billy in the projects that he's been in. I love Mr Big, feel he's fine in TWD etc. He's just a very narrow player, he doesn't veer off far from his regular play.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2017, 10:12:11 AM
As a bassist, I dislike him because he overplays everything. He can never just play the role of a bassist, he always has to be flashy. That's ok from time to time, and John Myung is a good example of that working.
Billy is a guitarist who plays a bass, nothing more.

And yeah, his tone is horrible.

I'm a bassist, and agree 100% with what you said, specially the bolded part.

Now, it isn't fair to criticize Billy without giving an example of someone who, imo, does all these things right. So, who is a prog/rock/metal bassist who has crazy good technique, knows when to stand out and when to lay back, who also has AMAZING tone, is very versatile and would fit this band so much better? Bryan Beller :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PowerSlave on March 16, 2017, 10:21:07 AM
Colin Edwin has the best bass tone/sound that I've ever heard. I read an interview with Joey Vera a year ago where he says the same thing. I take that as high praise.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
Colin Edwin has the best bass tone/sound that I've ever heard. I read an interview with Joey Vera a year ago where he says the same thing. I take that as high praise.

Oh yea, his tone is great.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 10:24:53 AM
As a bassist, I dislike him because he overplays everything. He can never just play the role of a bassist, he always has to be flashy. That's ok from time to time, and John Myung is a good example of that working.
Billy is a guitarist who plays a bass, nothing more.

And yeah, his tone is horrible.

I'm a bassist, and agree 100% with what you said, specially the bolded part.

Now, it isn't fair to criticize Billy without giving an example of someone who, imo, does all these things right. So, who is a prog/rock/metal bassist who has crazy good technique, knows when to stand out and when to lay back, who also has AMAZING tone, is very versatile and would fit this band so much better? Bryan Beller :metal

Bryan is awesome too. Here´s an example of his chops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8KBvUCV6Co&list=PLJltKoeJOXNPeepHQn0Sj4bkfMh707PqN
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 16, 2017, 12:56:38 PM
I've never cared for Sheehan's rock style of playing at all, and as others have said he's pretty rigid in that regard; a guitarist playing a bass. I dug the hell out of him in Niacin, though, and that suggests to me he could play quite well in a prog group, but only if he commits to not trying to be EVH for a while. I agree with others that I'd really prefer for him to not be the bass player in this gig, but I'm certainly interested in hearing him do something different for a change. Dude's too talented to keep playing the same boring stuff all the time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 16, 2017, 12:59:24 PM
The problem with having Derek Sherinian and Billy Sheehan in a project together is that they both play their instruments as if they are guitars. It was ok with PSMS because it seemed like a part of the project was giving all the players their own spotlight. If this project is going to have original music, I'd rather have a bass player who can lock in better with Portnoy. Otherwise it risks going off the rails. LTE was great partly because Tony Levin could hold it down while everyone else took off. I'm sure his background as a session player helped in that area.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2017, 02:08:25 PM
I'd rather have a bass player who can lock in better with Portnoy.

I might be wrong, but as a bassist and drummer myself, I don't think Mike's approach has ever been "I should keep grooving with (insert bass player's name here) so everything sounds tight". I think he's much more concerned on the musical relationship he has with the guitarists or the other lead instrumentists he plays with. That's why most of the time his drum lines don't acknowledge what the bass part is doing, but instead he tends to overplay in an effort to make his drum parts stick out.

I find MP has never had, in my opinion, a bass/drums connection with any bassist he's played with, as good as, let's say, Peart/Lee.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 16, 2017, 03:07:07 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 16, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
In my humble opinion, Billy and MP have something very big in common which is probably why they work so well together. They both excel at the styles they play and their very own unique sound, but they're not versatile musicians in any sense of the word in a way that, for example, Virgil Donati is. Also, they both know what their respective fans expect from them and they know how to deliver them that, which is a skill hardly mastered by lots of musicians.

Billy sounds great in his Billy stuff, but I can't imagine him going out of his comfort zone; and I think that such same thing applies with MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on March 16, 2017, 04:03:07 PM
I just don't want to see them in 2 bands.  I want diversity in the sound of each band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 16, 2017, 04:49:52 PM
I just don't want to see them in 2 bands.  I want diversity in the sound of each band.
MP is not the poster boy for diversity lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 16, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
I just don't want to see them in 2 bands.  I want diversity in the sound of each band.
MP is not the poster boy for diversity lol

Well, Mike is in 3 bands with Neal Morse, so...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on March 16, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
 :lol


Leave Neil out of it!  Well, now you know why I said that, it's the other players.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 16, 2017, 10:26:36 PM
I've never seen Mangini's style described as simple. one of the major criticisms of him is that his playing isn't simple enough.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2017, 10:41:26 PM
Pretty sure if we turn the MP thread into an MM discussion, MP will explode in rage.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Progmetty on March 16, 2017, 11:26:29 PM
50$ says this won't be the only or last time MP tours with DT songs within the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PowerSlave on March 17, 2017, 01:49:48 AM
50$ says this won't be the only or last time MP tours with DT songs within the next 5 years.

I don't think anyone would take you up on that bet. I'm happy that he's revisiting them as long as the songs are done well. In fact, I haven't seen DT since they toured for SC, but I'm thinking about checking this out live if the material is good. I had to give away a ticket to see him with NMB a couple of months ago due to work obligations. I don't plan on missing him play live the next time I get the chance.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 17, 2017, 06:51:38 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.

It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 17, 2017, 07:24:44 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.



It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

100000% agreed!!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 17, 2017, 08:00:51 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.

It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

What? If anything, it's MP who sounds complicated when you hear him but is actually easy to play while Mangini sounds like he's playing something basic (like in Enigma Machine) but is actually difficult.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: tofee35 on March 17, 2017, 10:06:43 AM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

I have been trying to figure out why I enjoy MP's drumming more than MM's. I think you nailed it for me. This is a more precise description than "MP has better groove than MM". Thanks, man.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 17, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
I think both are true. True, you don't hear it directly, i.e. especially the snare and bass drum usually just follow the instruments, but when you listen and hear the complicated stuff he plays on say the cymbals, a lot of us think "impressive, but not really adding much".

Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

I have been trying to figure out why I enjoy MP's drumming more than MM's. I think you nailed it for me. This is a more precise description than "MP has better groove than MM". Thanks, man.

You should check out Gavin Harrison's explanation of his beat in "Sound of Muzak". It's exactly that, he plays a twisted beat, but it oddly sounds straight.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 17, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.

It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

What? If anything, it's MP who sounds complicated when you hear him but is actually easy to play while Mangini sounds like he's playing something basic (like in Enigma Machine) but is actually difficult.

I'm not at all referring to the actual difficulty of playing.  I'm not a drummer, so to me, what both of them play is "actually difficult", and besides, I find in my own playing (guitar), what I find "easy" and what another player finds "easy" are often different.  I'm just referring to the impression I get from listening.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 17, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

Dude. Absolutely this. You finally made clear to me why I like MPs drumming more than MMs. I could never explain it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 17, 2017, 11:01:39 AM
To me that's the same as saying that MP has more groove and MM is more technical (robotic) in their playing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
I love listening to both drummers.

But my personal drumming style was definitely based, in part, on MP.  And when I listen to MP, no matter what piece he is playing, I am hearing something that I understand and could, with practice, eventually play a reasonable facsimile thereof.

A lot of MM's stuff I can hear, but what he does and what I do are two different things.  He is beyond me in every way.  Most of his drumming with DT I could never, ever come close to doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 17, 2017, 04:41:04 PM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

Dude. Absolutely this. You finally made clear to me why I like MPs drumming more than MMs. I could never explain it.

I'm curious what these drum parts are that MM make it sound more difficult than it really is. Specifics, anyone?

The only thing I can think of are the polyrhythms where he's complementing two instruments at the same time. In which case, are we saying we don't want this new element in drumming in DT? That's going backwards and not being progressive at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on March 17, 2017, 04:47:42 PM
A lot of his single-stroke work on cymbals comes to mind. That's not really that playable for most drummers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: CDrice on March 17, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.
I'm curious what these drum parts are that MM make it sound more difficult than it really is. Specifics, anyone?

I must say that I'm curious about that too. I'm no drummer, but nothing he has done with DT strikes me as being more complex/hard for the sake of it than anything Portnoy has done. Actually, like erwinrafael wrote earlier, I personally feel like Mangini generally sounds more restrained than Portnoy (not that there's anything wrong with with MP's drumming). I mean, after reading and seeing interviews, I know that Mangini do like his 236 over 96 polyrhytm ( :lol), but I really don't feel it when I listen to the band's music.

Anyway, the thing I retain from this is that it's actually interesting (and sometimes perplexing) to see how different people react so differently to the same thing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 17, 2017, 06:36:44 PM
Here's a poor analogy that I thought up of earlier today when thinking about this topic - Portnoy is more of the Arts, while Mangini is more of the Sciences. What I mean by that is that MP's drumming is done for show, it's flashier and more entertaining, there for audio and visual amusement and fun, creating a sound that is engaging and exciting to everyone. MM's drumming is methodical, scientific and well-thought out, very formulaic and strategic, laid out in patterns and mathematically pieced together to sound consistent with the rest of the band's rhythms.

Both have their pros and cons, but I think what we should take away from this whole "debate" is that, those of us who were tired of MP's drumming were more likely to find MM more appealing, whereas those of us who find MM's drumming to be out of reach for understanding were probably fans of MP's more showy and bombastic style of drumming. This assumption is probably way off base, but I figured I'd put it out there to see if anyone agrees.

As a drummer of over 20 years, I've grown to appreciate very complex and technical drummers, people like Thomas Lang and Gavin Harrison, but Mike Mangini takes the technicalities to new levels, and his explanations only solidify that feeling that he's very scientific in his drum-part-building, whereas Portnoy is a "bag of tricks and tools" kind of drummer, who will do what the song needs but won't be afraid to color around the lines, so to speak, and I think that's what a lot of fans like about his drumming.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PowerSlave on March 17, 2017, 06:54:45 PM
Here's a poor analogy that I thought up of earlier today when thinking about this topic - Portnoy is more of the Arts, while Mangini is more of the Sciences. What I mean by that is that MP's drumming is done for show, it's flashier and more entertaining, there for audio and visual amusement and fun, creating a sound that is engaging and exciting to everyone. MM's drumming is methodical, scientific and well-thought out, very formulaic and strategic, laid out in patterns and mathematically pieced together to sound consistent with the rest of the band's rhythms.

Both have their pros and cons, but I think what we should take away from this whole "debate" is that, those of us who were tired of MP's drumming were more likely to find MM more appealing, whereas those of us who find MM's drumming to be out of reach for understanding were probably fans of MP's more showy and bombastic style of drumming. This assumption is probably way off base, but I figured I'd put it out there to see if anyone agrees.

As a drummer of over 20 years, I've grown to appreciate very complex and technical drummers, people like Thomas Lang and Gavin Harrison, but Mike Mangini takes the technicalities to new levels, and his explanations only solidify that feeling that he's very scientific in his drum-part-building, whereas Portnoy is a "bag of tricks and tools" kind of drummer, who will do what the song needs but won't be afraid to color around the lines, so to speak, and I think that's what a lot of fans like about his drumming.

-Marc.

I'm not a drummer, so what I say next is at risk of making myself look like an ass.

MM is Bill Bruford, and MP is Alan White. When I listen to older Yes, I get the feeling that BB is way more technical than AW, but AW feels more accessable  and easier to listen to. Is this a good example, or am I way off base?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2017, 10:42:55 PM
How about getting this guy on bass? I was blown away when I saw this, and also maybe my favorite bass tone yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5wHQGJxOQ




Also, to tie it in to the other discussion, that's an example of extremely complicated playing with lots of groove. So they're not exclusive.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: arkdtmp on March 18, 2017, 01:11:14 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 18, 2017, 02:38:49 AM
Here's a poor analogy that I thought up of earlier today when thinking about this topic - Portnoy is more of the Arts, while Mangini is more of the Sciences. What I mean by that is that MP's drumming is done for show, it's flashier and more entertaining, there for audio and visual amusement and fun, creating a sound that is engaging and exciting to everyone. MM's drumming is methodical, scientific and well-thought out, very formulaic and strategic, laid out in patterns and mathematically pieced together to sound consistent with the rest of the band's rhythms.

Both have their pros and cons, but I think what we should take away from this whole "debate" is that, those of us who were tired of MP's drumming were more likely to find MM more appealing, whereas those of us who find MM's drumming to be out of reach for understanding were probably fans of MP's more showy and bombastic style of drumming. This assumption is probably way off base, but I figured I'd put it out there to see if anyone agrees.

As a drummer of over 20 years, I've grown to appreciate very complex and technical drummers, people like Thomas Lang and Gavin Harrison, but Mike Mangini takes the technicalities to new levels, and his explanations only solidify that feeling that he's very scientific in his drum-part-building, whereas Portnoy is a "bag of tricks and tools" kind of drummer, who will do what the song needs but won't be afraid to color around the lines, so to speak, and I think that's what a lot of fans like about his drumming.

-Marc.

I'm not a drummer, so what I say next is at risk of making myself look like an ass.

MM is Bill Bruford, and MP is Alan White. When I listen to older Yes, I get the feeling that BB is way more technical than AW, but AW feels more accessable  and easier to listen to. Is this a good example, or am I way off base?

Cant agree with that but I get how you could feel that way. ;)

I am also not a drummer, so I also might risk making an ass of myself: I always found Bill to be a better groover than Alan. Yes, Bill's playing is more complex and Alan's is more intuitive. But Bill always played very accessible to me, too. It never sounded too complex at first listen. He just played rock music as a jazz drummer would, not unlike Phil Collins in the 70s (of course Phil was influenced by Bill, not the other way round).

Bill's jazzy style fitted perfectly with Yes' music imo. Although Alan also did a really good job on Tales, Relayer, GFTO, Tormato (that's right) and Drama, plus the according live albums - Yes were a POWERHOUSE live in the 70s!

After that he basically became a drum machine.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 04:30:44 AM
What it comes down to me :

i. I like Mangini much more as a person but I liked Portnoy's drumming more.

ii. Portnoy's drumming was more musical to my ears & Mangini's playing is more mathematical.



Also Mangini's kit is definitely more efficient and - for the most part - not just big for the sake of it. Portnoy's double kit was just silly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on March 18, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
I agree to with there Kotow. MP brought an element of life to the band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 18, 2017, 11:01:12 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. The big thing about these parts is that while MP is locked in with the rest of the band, the parts still have their own identity. That to me is the biggest difference between Portnoy and Mangini. MM tries to blend with the other instruments while MP plays to the song but allows his playing to stand out.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 18, 2017, 11:07:26 AM
I'm in a strange place in DT land as of now :

Before SC, I absolutely loved MP's drumming. But as with all drummers with a bag of tricks, I've grown bored of his drumming. Plus, his personality even before the split had already begun to rub me the wrong way. Neddless to say, what's happened since then has defintely sealed the case for me.

I like MM's personality more than his drumming, because I feel MM is a drummers' drummer. When I listen to him play, I don't feel the same things as when I listened to MP play. And, unfortunately, his personality hasn't made me love his drumming more.

Back to the OP : I would like to see Jorn Lande as a singer for MP's new band.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 18, 2017, 03:47:35 PM
How about getting this guy on bass? I was blown away when I saw this, and also maybe my favorite bass tone yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5wHQGJxOQ


Virgil would have been bored to death in DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2017, 03:50:42 PM
How about getting this guy on bass? I was blown away when I saw this, and also maybe my favorite bass tone yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5wHQGJxOQ


Virgil would have been bored to death in DT.

I think that came through on that audition documentary where he tried to re-write parts of TDOE to make it more interesting for him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2017, 06:10:30 PM

1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
 

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. 

That section is pretty bad ass, and just listening to on its own makes it even more annoying that it is smack dab in the middle of what is otherwise a very mediocre song.  That instrumental section deserved a much better song written around it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 18, 2017, 07:05:14 PM
That instrumental section also deserved a better keyboard solo.

But yeah, that drumming is both delightful to watch, and listen to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PROGdrummer on March 18, 2017, 09:19:26 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. The big thing about these parts is that while MP is locked in with the rest of the band, the parts still have their own identity. That to me is the biggest difference between Portnoy and Mangini. MM tries to blend with the other instruments while MP plays to the song but allows his playing to stand out.

THAT drum part was the catalyst for me becoming interested in music as a whole. It was my inspiration for picking up the drumsticks and diving down the rabbit hole of prog and heavy metal. Literally a life-changing musical moment.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on March 19, 2017, 08:00:05 AM
I've always thought that MP's playing had a certain lyrical quality to it. There's definitely no drummer whose parts make me feel like air drumming along as  frequently as Mike's.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 19, 2017, 08:22:53 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 08:35:03 AM
FFS.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 19, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
So I guess I officially don't know that Bumblefoot is involved? Okay. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 19, 2017, 08:40:00 AM
 :corn :corn :corn

I hope he reacts like this at least every other day until they release an album (or he loses his shit all together and rage quits)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 19, 2017, 08:40:26 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

This is getting so ridiculous. He behaves like a kid. This is my band! This is my forum! It's my ice cream and you can't have any!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Peace and Love on March 19, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 19, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....

So someone makes a mistake but fans should realize "Hey, this was clearly a video made by someone who was just working in the studio, we should not discuss it and forget about it"?

Really, was it so hard to tell essentially that, but changing the angle to "I know someone posted a video that shouldn't have been posted, please, those of you who got wind of it don't spoil the surprise to anyone else who wasn't even aware of such video"? nobody broke into the studio. Nobody stalked it out at night to see who was coming and going. Nobody hacked a cellphone. Someone in the studio made a mistake in filming the rehearsals, so the cat was out of the bag.  I don't see anything wrong and difficult in coming up with "I know an unofficial video was leaked, please, those of you who know don't spoil the surprise for anyone else and refrain to discuss is further, I know it's not your fault"?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

This is getting so ridiculous. He behaves like a kid. This is my band! This is my forum! It's my ice cream and you can't have any!

Yes but it's endlessly amusing :)  :corn :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
He really is the gift that keeps on giving. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: CDrice on March 19, 2017, 09:33:49 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!

The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 19, 2017, 09:42:23 AM
All this talk of MP vs MM made me actually miss MP being in DT.

But then this post comes along and it makes me so glad he's not involved anymore.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 19, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!

The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.

Not with that terrible snare sound it doesn't.
I think Enemy Inside has some of the best MM moments in DT. That cymbal pattern in the main riff is awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 19, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!

The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.

Many of his parts in The Astonishing are air-drummable as long as you don't mind what his other limbs are doing.  :lol

Mangini is not really an air-drumming machine. His genius is best appreciated when you listen to the song as a whole and hear how his drums are enriching what the other members are doing (like his bass giving the oomph to James' "rap" in The Path That Divides). It's really quite different from MP's style, although MP does veer into that "orchestrate-to-complement-the-other-instruments" territory in In the Presence of Enemies Part 1.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 19, 2017, 10:25:07 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

He's unleashing all the social media goodies he hadn't unleashed in the past year and a half or so lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Whatever happened to his paid tweet service ?

Where you pay like $3 a month to get exclusive tweets or videos ?

Did that last more than 1 month ? :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 19, 2017, 11:10:04 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that... 

He's referring to Derek's keyboard tech, who originally posted the Bumblefoot video on Instagram. The way Mike talks about him makes it sound like he leaked the album.  :\

Quote
Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else

...is he trying to hide the fact that Derek is involved?  :facepalm:
I don't understand why a person would be this up in arms about hiding who's involved with this project. People mentioned that maybe the final lineup hasn't been decided, well then maybe wait till you have a finalized lineup before announcing said project?
When/if Bumblefoot is confirmed, this whole drama is gonna look even more stupid.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on March 19, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
He's referring to Derek's keyboard tech, who originally posted the Bumblefoot video on Instagram. The way Mike talks about him makes it sound like he leaked the album.  :\

The way Mike talks it makes it sound like he leaked the Pentagon Papers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 19, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol

It is deadly important to him...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 19, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol

It is deadly important to him...

Well of course it is, but what Rumby is hinting at is that in the grand scheme of things, it is not important at all, it's just music. I would have liked MP to handle the situation just as DT did when someone saw MM going out of the studio and we all knew it was him the new drummer. Tell nothing. But, what could I expect from MP?

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 19, 2017, 12:29:05 PM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

WTF?!?!? Calm down, my man, or you will have a heart attack! And SHOUTING won't make you heard more easily, quite the contrary.
Well, I might have checked what that band would be. Now, I'm sorry, I won't. I'm just so tired of all his outbursts.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
Hey Mike - what's your set up on this album ? :)


@MikePortnoy 2m

Do *NOT* make me block you. I have *NOT* confirmed *I* am the drummer!!
And neither have *THEY*. Whoever *THEY* may or may *NOT* be!!!!




Yes I'm kidding :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 19, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
It's amazing Mike has not learned yet that there's no way anyone whines on social media and comes out looking good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
I think it's partially because he surrounds himself with a bubble he has very tight control over. The moment he is forced to deal with anything outside of that, especially something as wild and uncontrollable (and often belligerent) as the internet, he virtually implodes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on March 19, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol

It is deadly important to him...

Well of course it is, but what Rumby is hinting at is that in the grand scheme of things, it is not important at all, it's just music. I would have liked MP to handle the situation just as DT did when someone saw MM going out of the studio and we all knew it was him the new drummer. Tell nothing. But, what could I expect from MP?

B.Lee

I don't remember that. What did MP do regarding MM?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
Only thing I can think of is that MM confided to MP that he was the new drummer - MP told Eddie Trunk and Eddie Trunk revealed it before DT did.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.

I'm with you on this one! I love Mike's drumming in DT12 and definitely air drum to a lot of his drum lines.


Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

After this, I'm done (should say DONE) following MP in social media and completely lost interest in whatever comes out from this band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 04:47:47 PM
I would say that would be as much of an overreaction as MP's was.

If it's good music, I will listen to it, if not then not. Simple as that. Given the lineup I'm not on the edge of my seat, but it's a new thing, and it would be silly to not at least give it a shot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
I wonder how far a musician would have to go as a person to make it impact how I view their music.

I mean, I still love Mel Gibson movies, and my favorite director once said he really empathized with Hitler, so I guess they'd have to go REALLY far to impact me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
Ted Nugent is probably on that short list, at least for me. Luckily he never produced anything of particular interest to me anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 19, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
He just never should have said anything about recording and then just announced the band when material was ready  and he wanted to announce stuff. This was bound to happen. Doesn't he know that he's dealing with fans that cleared an out of focus picture of a lyric in the DT12 session or transcribed a piano piece from a studio video. This was inevitable  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 19, 2017, 06:59:12 PM
The thread about this project on his forum is gone.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 19, 2017, 07:08:56 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 19, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
 :tdwn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 07:37:06 PM
I would say that would be as much of an overreaction as MP's was.

If it's good music, I will listen to it, if not then not. Simple as that. Given the lineup I'm not on the edge of my seat, but it's a new thing, and it would be silly to not at least give it a shot.

Same here. I haven't been a fan of Portnoy the person for probably 15 years now, yet in that time span, I've bought probably close to 20 studio albums he's been on.  Like you said, good music is good music.

The thread about this project on his forum is gone.

Wait, really?  So, you can't talk about his old prog metal band (Dream Theater) on there, and now you can't talk about his new one (Stumblebum Meets Bumblefoot) either?  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 19, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
You're not allowed to talk about DT on there? Is it just DT's current activity or DT period?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 19, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
HIS forum! HIS band! HIS decision!

Someone should go open a new thread and see what happens.

"Since the last topic got deleted, I figured I would make a new one. Here was can discuss MP's new progressive metal band which may or may not include Derek Sherinian, Bumblefoot, and an unauthorized keyboard tech"

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
Eh, trolling another forum for the hell of it is so 2004. :P :lol

Besides, a Mike Mangini appreciation thread is a much better idea. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2017, 08:17:01 PM
I would say that would be as much of an overreaction as MP's was.

If it's good music, I will listen to it, if not then not. Simple as that. Given the lineup I'm not on the edge of my seat, but it's a new thing, and it would be silly to not at least give it a shot.

Same here. I haven't been a fan of Portnoy the person for probably 15 years now, yet in that time span, I've bought probably close to 20 studio albums he's been on.  Like you said, good music is good music.

Oh, absolutely. If I buy another album with MP on it, it'll be because I like the other musicians and their music (NMB, TA, FC), not because of his involvement. I'll, of course, listen to this new band once the full lineup is announced and a single or something is released, but, untill then, I've lost all the interest I had. I think he's a great drummer, but makes TERRIBLE decisions when it comes to the relationship with his fans, and, sadly, he has lost me as one.

I really doubt he cares and me not following him anymore doesn't mean anything to his career, but I can't stand his way of managing these things and I, a marketing student in my last year of career, know a thing or two about the importance of building good relationships with your customers and having a healthy public image, none of which he seems to have at the moment.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 19, 2017, 08:19:13 PM
I tend to think this forum is overly critical of MP, but he is definitely out of line on this one.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 19, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
What band? If there's no thread about it, I'm sure there's no new progressive metal project with MP...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 19, 2017, 09:24:21 PM
:corn :corn :corn

I hope he reacts like this at least every other day until they release an album (or he loses his shit all together and rage quits)

...and then sues the band when they won't let him back in after they've found a new drummer.  :lol

Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 19, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
I think for spite someone should go start a side project with all the musicians that he denied might be involved.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 09:32:42 PM
Just Bumblefoot?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 09:35:52 PM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 19, 2017, 09:43:01 PM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-mike-portnoy-recruits-bumblefoot-derek-sherinian-for-new-progressive-metal-supergroup/


Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-mike-portnoy-recruits-bumblefoot-derek-sherinian-for-new-progressive-metal-supergroup/


Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?

He's gonna be really mad at this  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 19, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?
I'm sure he would if he could. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 19, 2017, 11:17:31 PM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.

Wait..  he did what, when? Fired JPs guitar tech???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 19, 2017, 11:36:00 PM
Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?
I'm sure he would if he could. :lol

I wonder which came first this Blabbermouth piece or his deleting of the thread?

He probably deleted the thread as an angry reaction to seeing the Blabbermouth post. Sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 19, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
In tribute to Blabbermouth and Ron Thal , MP is calling his new band Bumblemouth.  Rather fitting .

Rumoured album cover for the self titled debut.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeqE6W0XEAAMpzd.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 04:26:33 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-mike-portnoy-recruits-bumblefoot-derek-sherinian-for-new-progressive-metal-supergroup/


Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?

He's gonna be really mad at this  :lol



 :corn :corn :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2017, 06:21:58 AM
From the comment section:

Ross Alexander Cameron
Together, they'll be an unstoppable force. No British hospital will make them queue now!

:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: utopiarun on March 20, 2017, 06:31:03 AM
I know I'm an old guy but sometimes I wish that it was like the old days, you didn't know when an album was coming out until basically it was out and you didn't have this constant interaction with the artists and we didn't know what pricks they were.

I really like the music that MP makes (contributes to), but I can't stand the man. And that affects my interest in his projects. When he came out and said TSOAD was up there with Tommy and The Wall I instantly was very critical of it. It's a really good album and I missed the chance of seeing them because of MP's arrogance, but I will catch them the next time around. And if he brings the Shattered Fortress to NYC as he wants (one more "once in a lifetime" chance) I will go see it, because the music is what is important.

Is it a wonder why JP hasn't in all likelihood spoken to the man in almost 7 years? Sorry to bash on MP, but he is such an easy target and he just doesn't get it and never will.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 20, 2017, 06:39:58 AM
The Shattered Fortress thing has been really interesting to me as well. First it's a "once in a lifetime" thing for the cruise. Then, it becomes a "few times in a lifetime" with several festival bill headline spots. Now it's a small tour.

More is better, right? Well, I don't know. I don't go on the cruises, and I don't fly to other cities to go see the prog festivals, so I personally don't care as much - I'm not spending any money to see this thing debuted "once in a lifetime" around every corner. But I do know a few people who spend quite a bit of money going to the prog cruises and traveling to these prog festivals, and I would be curious to hear if they aren't a little peeved by having the same event constantly sucking the air out of the room.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 20, 2017, 06:44:06 AM
The Shattered Fortress thing has been really interesting to me as well. First it's a "once in a lifetime" thing for the cruise. Then, it becomes a "few times in a lifetime" with several festival bill headline spots. Now it's a small tour.

More is better, right? Well, I don't know. I don't go on the cruises, and I don't fly to other cities to go see the prog festivals, so I personally don't care as much - I'm not spending any money to see this thing debuted "once in a lifetime" around every corner. But I do know a few people who spend quite a bit of money going to the prog cruises and traveling to these prog festivals, and I would be curious to hear if they aren't a little peeved by having the same event constantly sucking the air out of the room.

Also, there wouldn´t be ANY professional filming of this once in a livetime event. How much do you want to bet that MP will announce a Shattered Fortress DVD once this (so far) small tour gets going?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Art on March 20, 2017, 06:44:50 AM
I tend to think this forum is overly critical of MP, but he is definitely out of line on this one.

This.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 06:50:26 AM
How much do you want to bet that MP will announce a Shattered Fortress DVD once this (so far) small tour gets going?

100%.

1 0 0 % .

Also : http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48404.msg2213257#msg2213257

So we both know when we're right :biggrin: :hifive:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 20, 2017, 07:05:43 AM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.

Wait..  he did what, when? Fired JPs guitar tech???

Yeah, don't think I've heard that story before... When did that happen?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 20, 2017, 07:09:06 AM
Hey Mike - what's your set up on this album ? :)


@MikePortnoy 2m

Do *NOT* make me block you. I have *NOT* confirmed *I* am the drummer!!
And neither have *THEY*. Whoever *THEY* may or may *NOT* be!!!!




Yes I'm kidding :P
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 20, 2017, 07:47:58 AM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.

Wait..  he did what, when? Fired JPs guitar tech???

Yeah, don't think I've heard that story before... When did that happen?

Don't remember. It's in the Lifting Shadows book and I don't have it handy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 08:08:52 AM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ChuckSteak on March 20, 2017, 08:25:25 AM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?
I agree. People should create a thread "bash and insult MP, his media comments and whatever he does/says here". This thread and the Shattered Fortress one are mostly people talking about how ridiculous everything he posts or says on social media is. I think if it was a different DT member who did that the moderators would intervene. But since he left DT and he posts such stuff, it is ok. Some people maybe see him as a "traitor" and allow themselves to bash ANYTHING that he posts.

As much as I also think that he exaggerates sometimes, it is his band, his forum, his tweeter and he can do whatever he wants. If he doesn't want people speculating or posting stuff about the members of his new band, why can't people just accept it and move on?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2017, 08:26:52 AM
Because this is the internet and it's entertaining as hell. And also, when MP makes demands to the internet at large, there can really be only outcome, and it's entirely deserved at that point.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 20, 2017, 08:38:41 AM
He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"?
Who said that? You put "horrible person" in quotes, as if people here were saying it, and no one has said anything like that at all. The worst thing that I see is one single person implying that he might be a "prick". No one here called him a horrible person.

The next time you want to criticise us for blowing things out of proportion, maybe don't do that yourself at the same time? :lol

Anyone here doing this for a living?
What has that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on March 20, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Stadler, just like you are criticizing some of us for what we are saying online, some of us are criticizing him for what he said online.  I don't think anyone thinks he is a horrible person, he seems like a nice guy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 20, 2017, 09:27:37 AM
Y'know, it's funny, because MP complains about internet fans all the time... but I've gotta say, some of my earliest memories of being a DT fan are reading MP interviews where he would totally eviscerate Lars Ulrich, at-the-time modern Rush, and Queensryche. So he should definitely understand what it's like to be a fan shooting the shit. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 20, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?

Look, Stadler, you're acting as if you knew MP personnally. There's no need to be up for him every single time somebody makes a negative comment. Plus, as Rumby said, it's only music we're talking about. Granted, some of the comments may seem harsh, but MP's trying to control everything is calling for that. Making music for a living may induce him to react like that, I don't know, but from a PR point of view, it's a catastrophe because I feel he's pushing some fans away from him. Given Bosk's words, apparently, he couldn't care less, but we'll see once the project is up.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 20, 2017, 09:56:56 AM
MP is well within his right to control the content posted in his own forum. But the way he handled this "leak" is really poor, putting much of the heat on forum posters when much of the fault is within his team.

He's not a horrible person. He just handled this brouhaha horribly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 10:03:17 AM
MP is well within his right to control the content posted in his own forum. But the way he handled this "leak" is really poor, putting much of the heat on forum posters when much of the fault is within his team.

He's not a horrible person. He just handled this brouhaha horribly.
Exactly.  If people were bashing him as a person, we would come down on that and not allow it.  People are specifically addressing how he handled this situation and are keeping it factual, and that is all fine. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2017, 10:06:58 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 20, 2017, 10:16:56 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.

Yup, that's how I feel too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.

Yup, that's how I feel too.

I agree.... this seems to be the case
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 20, 2017, 10:27:03 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.

Yup, that's how I feel too.

I agree.... this seems to be the case

I think so as well, but, honestly, he should take it easy and not be so offensive. As I said before, I think his attitude is doing him a great disservice in the long run.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 20, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
My problem has always been his complete inability to distinguish critique from bashing. His regard of this forum has always been the best example of that. He's quite well liked over here and criticism is leveled pretty fairly. Yet to hear it from him this is merely where all of his haters come to post and barely a notch above BM.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on March 20, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
I don't know if I missed it over the years but has he outright critized this forum or was it just something that he said to bosk?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 10:43:14 AM
My problem has always been his complete inability to distinguish critique from bashing. His regard of this forum has always been the best example of that. He's quite well liked over here and criticism is leveled pretty fairly. Yet to hear it from him this is merely where all of his haters come to post and barely a notch above BM.
Bingo.  That sums it up perfectly.  I almost feel like I owe you fees for the therapy that that post accomplished.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 20, 2017, 10:48:04 AM
I don't know if I missed it over the years but has he outright critized this forum or was it just something that he said to bosk?
On his forum DTF is referred to as "that other place" and he frequently cites it as the land of the haters. This predates the divorce, BTW. When he was in DT he had the same opinion because constructive criticisms weren't promptly deleted as they were at his forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
My problem has always been his complete inability to distinguish critique from bashing. His regard of this forum has always been the best example of that. He's quite well liked over here and criticism is leveled pretty fairly. Yet to hear it from him this is merely where all of his haters come to post and barely a notch above BM.
Bingo.  That sums it up perfectly.  I almost feel like I owe you fees for the therapy that that post accomplished.   :biggrin:

That's really the gist of it, I agree. MP sadly has a tendency of dividing the world into a "with me" and "against me". With that approach however he pushes a solid number of people who otherwise would be "I'm with you, but maybe only 80%" into the "against me" camp.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 20, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
I don't know if I missed it over the years but has he outright critized this forum or was it just something that he said to bosk?
On his forum DTF is referred to as "that other place" and he frequently cites it as the land of the haters. This predates the divorce, BTW. When he was in DT he had the same opinion because constructive criticisms weren't promptly deleted as they were at his forum.

Just asking, but isn't that what a dictator would do?  :eek
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"?
Who said that? You put "horrible person" in quotes, as if people here were saying it, and no one has said anything like that at all. The worst thing that I see is one single person implying that he might be a "prick". No one here called him a horrible person.

The next time you want to criticise us for blowing things out of proportion, maybe don't do that yourself at the same time? :lol

Anyone here doing this for a living?
What has that got to do with anything?

"Horrible person" in quotes because there are about ten or more posts that bash him AS A PERSON - the ones where they can't even deal with the band/music because of HIM, or they would be fans but for his presence - though admittedly none actually use those words.  If you'd like me to use other words I will.   It was meant to categorize the personalization of the views towards him.

The "for a living" is relevant, because we're talking about MIKE'S JOB.   We're just a bunch of people metaphorically (for the most part) sitting in our mom's basement commenting on the world as if we know something.   He's actually talking about his next source of income.  Whether he "should" or "shouldn't" is not our call.  He does.   It's up to him.   I object to the notion that "once he throws it out there, all bets are off!" as if there's no call on our part for any decorum or reservation.  After the break up, at the "third site", there were many - meaning more than one or two - posts that were outright anti-Semitic, and even a handful that flat out called him a pedophile with his kids.   Really?   The egregiousness of his short patience span with people who clearly don't give a fuck about him warrants that?   

As for me blowing something out of proportion, well, I'm kind of the only one standing up, so you give me a lot more credit than I deserve.   I merely made an observation that didn't jibe with yours.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Stadler, just like you are criticizing some of us for what we are saying online, some of us are criticizing him for what he said online.  I don't think anyone thinks he is a horrible person, he seems like a nice guy.

Not so much; I think most people are like you described; but there are a couple here that have taken it further.  It's that I'm responding to. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
The third site, I assume, is 5/8, which is a forum that is intentionally over the top and offensive.  It's irrelevant to the discussion here.

I've never met a person who was a drama queen on social media and then wasn't in real life.  How people act on social media is usually a good gauge of their true selves.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 12:09:45 PM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?

Look, Stadler, you're acting as if you knew MP personnally. There's no need to be up for him every single time somebody makes a negative comment. Plus, as Rumby said, it's only music we're talking about. Granted, some of the comments may seem harsh, but MP's trying to control everything is calling for that. Making music for a living may induce him to react like that, I don't know, but from a PR point of view, it's a catastrophe because I feel he's pushing some fans away from him. Given Bosk's words, apparently, he couldn't care less, but we'll see once the project is up.

B.Lee

For the record I don't know him personally.   And actually sometimes I feel like I DO have to say something.  No, not every single time, but I think respectfully, you're grossly over-simplifying the comments.   There was a whole line of discussion - which prompted the thought that I shuld say something - that was along the lines of "I can't deal with this guy; I can't be a fan, I can't listen to the music, who would WORK with this guy, yadda yadda yadda", and I have to say, the record doesn't support that at all.    With only a handful of exceptions, it seems like most people WOULD work with him, and some again and again.    Right now, it appears there are only FOUR people that won't work with him again.   And actually, two of those haven't entirely ruled that out. 

I frankly don't disagree with your point on the PR side of things - I get that - but I politely disagree that it is 'about the music'.  There's no music to be discussed; we're discussing HIM, and some of the comments HAVE been harsh.  I've already noted some of them above, so I won't repeat them, but...   I just don't agree that "he asked for it".   That's playground stuff.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
The forum has rules as to what constitutes taking it too far, or bashing him as a person. If things get too far, you can report it to Bosk who will hammer that person into a pulp.




and




Just because some people are responding differently than how you personally would, doesn't mean that they're "horrible people".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2017, 12:14:07 PM
How people act on social media is usually a good gauge of their true selves.

I disagree and agree, to a degree :lol But that's a good discussion for another thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Stadler, we aren't discussing MP as a person.  We are discussing his actions, and specifically, what many consider his inappropriate responses to fans.  And more specifically, some of us are discussing his responses to those fans that comprise this forum. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 20, 2017, 12:40:14 PM
I get where Portnoy is coming from...its ironic because he said that yet YOU all criticize him for what he feels. And it is his right to choose what is realised.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
No, he can feel however he feels.  The issue is what he does publicly.  Lashing out at others publicly, and in many instances, hitting below the belt in doing so, isn't cool.  If you can't see the difference, sorry.  I don't know what to say to you. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 20, 2017, 12:55:37 PM
All I'm saying is he can post what he wants....we are no different from the news reporting this and that...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2017, 12:56:02 PM
No, he can feel however he feels.  The issue is what he does publicly.  Lashing out at others publicly, and in many instances, hitting below the belt in doing so, isn't cool.  If you can't see the difference, sorry.  I don't know what to say to you.

100% this
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 20, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?

Look, Stadler, you're acting as if you knew MP personnally. There's no need to be up for him every single time somebody makes a negative comment. Plus, as Rumby said, it's only music we're talking about. Granted, some of the comments may seem harsh, but MP's trying to control everything is calling for that. Making music for a living may induce him to react like that, I don't know, but from a PR point of view, it's a catastrophe because I feel he's pushing some fans away from him. Given Bosk's words, apparently, he couldn't care less, but we'll see once the project is up.

B.Lee

For the record I don't know him personally.   And actually sometimes I feel like I DO have to say something.  No, not every single time, but I think respectfully, you're grossly over-simplifying the comments.   There was a whole line of discussion - which prompted the thought that I shuld say something - that was along the lines of "I can't deal with this guy; I can't be a fan, I can't listen to the music, who would WORK with this guy, yadda yadda yadda", and I have to say, the record doesn't support that at all.    With only a handful of exceptions, it seems like most people WOULD work with him, and some again and again.    Right now, it appears there are only FOUR people that won't work with him again.   And actually, two of those haven't entirely ruled that out. 

I frankly don't disagree with your point on the PR side of things - I get that - but I politely disagree that it is 'about the music'.  There's no music to be discussed; we're discussing HIM, and some of the comments HAVE been harsh.  I've already noted some of them above, so I won't repeat them, but...   I just don't agree that "he asked for it".   That's playground stuff.

You're wrong if you think we're discussing him as a person, because it's not the case. We're discussing his attitude and we're doing it in a manner that is far more restrained than MP's. As to your last comment, it's condescending and frankly, you won't get people agreeing with you with comments like that. I'm 46 and I don't need to be lectured that way. Let's just leave it at that.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 01:17:40 PM
Stadler, we aren't discussing MP as a person.  We are discussing his actions, and specifically, what many consider his inappropriate responses to fans.  And more specifically, some of us are discussing his responses to those fans that comprise this forum.

For the most part, yes. I agree.  And I'm not making any comment on that aspect of it.   But there were a few that, while I don't think they did anything to explicitly break any forum rules, were extrapolating his actions out to areas that I thought might suggest that deep down, it WAS personal.

I mean, Bosk, can you really say that "how can ANYONE work with him", given his track record of working with COUNTLESS people in the industry, many on multiple occasions and in multiple projects, is not an inferred personal attack?   Clearly there's at least some evidence that he's not a drama queen in real life. 

Look, I really don't have a dog in this hunt.  I don't know the guy any more (and probably less) than many of you.  I do think he probably does - as el Barto says - cloud the line between "critique" and "bash".   So be it.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nachtmerrie on March 20, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
No, he can feel however he feels.  The issue is what he does publicly.  Lashing out at others publicly, and in many instances, hitting below the belt in doing so, isn't cool.  If you can't see the difference, sorry.  I don't know what to say to you.

100%!

I love his music and are really looking forward seeing him 3 times over the next months.
However, his communication about the new 'project' feels embarrassing while just reading it.
I just can't believe a 50 year old men is reacting like a little child while the whole 'problem' is within his own organisation.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2017, 02:13:15 PM
Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 02:15:21 PM
Hey guys i've got a new supergroup with 4 mystery people ! More details soon !


:) supergroup ? I wonder who it could be ?


STOP TALKING ABOUT MY SECRET PROJECT !!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 02:17:56 PM
Hey guys i've got a new supergroup with 4 mystery people ! More details soon !


:) supergroup ? I wonder who it could be ?


STOP TALKING ABOUT MY SECRET PROJECT !!!


My bet is on Kevin Moore and Buckethead.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group.

I find it strange too... he wanted people to know that he and Derek were in the studio together in a "prog metal supergroup" but then everything else should be secret for months on end. It's not even building any hype.

I fail to see the reasoning behind that strategy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
Hey guys i've got a new supergroup with 4 mystery people ! More details soon !


:) supergroup ? I wonder who it could be ?


STOP TALKING ABOUT MY SECRET PROJECT !!!


My bet is on Kevin Moore and Buckethead.

DooDoohead is already confirmed 😏😏
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 20, 2017, 02:22:19 PM
Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group.

Because a tech working in the studio posted a video where in the last split second you could see and recognize Bumblefoot, and he doesn't want that info leaked and therefore discussed.

Which is perfectly fine - what I find weird is how he blames the fans when someone in the studio screwed up. It's not like fans hacked a phone or stalked the studio with paparazzi equipment. Someone in the studio posted a video. Cat's out of the bag, damage's done, all he needed to say was one line about "I know there was a video out there but people were not supposed to see it, so please, those of you who know, don't spoil the surprise to everyone else and don't discuss it!".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 20, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
I find it hilarious people have resorted to the old, "Oh you meanies will criticize him no matter what he does!" and only provide select examples of people only criticizing him when he is really out of line.  :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2017, 07:56:08 PM
All I'm saying is he can post what he wants....we are no different from the news reporting this and that...

No one is saying he can't post what he wants, but when a 50-year old musician celebrity routinely acts like a potty teenager on social media, it is going to be talked about, and not usually in a positive manner.


Look, I really don't have a dog in this hunt.   

This is sarcasm, right?  Every time there is a poop storm talked about here because of something Portnoy said (which is A LOT), there are a handful of people I always expect to swoop in and have Portnoy's back the second any time someone goes over the line, and you are one of those people.  You even admitted to being a "MP fanboy" the other day, but now you don't have a dog in this hunt?  Sure.

Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group.

Because a tech working in the studio posted a video where in the last split second you could see and recognize Bumblefoot, and he doesn't want that info leaked and therefore discussed.

Which is perfectly fine - what I find weird is how he blames the fans when someone in the studio screwed up. It's not like fans hacked a phone or stalked the studio with paparazzi equipment. Someone in the studio posted a video. Cat's out of the bag, damage's done, all he needed to say was one line about "I know there was a video out there but people were not supposed to see it, so please, those of you who know, don't spoil the surprise to everyone else and don't discuss it!".

Yep.  This should have been so easy to handle from a PR standpoint.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 20, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
All I'm saying is he can post what he wants....we are no different from the news reporting this and that...

Actually we are different. When someone disagrees with something we say, our response isn't "I have a RIGHT to POST what I WANT to post!!!!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2017, 12:27:34 AM
When MP speaks, this forum becomes worse than The View.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 21, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
Maybe we can go back to speculating who is in the supergroup.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 21, 2017, 02:59:34 AM
I think Bumblefoot could be in, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 21, 2017, 03:12:13 AM
Bumblefoot would be sweet, who do you guys think could be the bass player? Conner Green?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2017, 04:10:32 AM
Wonder who the drummer is?  :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2017, 04:20:32 AM
Mike Mangini
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on March 21, 2017, 04:23:02 AM
Bubblebutt.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2017, 05:34:38 AM
(http://rs682.pbsrc.com/albums/vv182/totesmagotes69/scuzzlebutt.jpg~c200)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 06:17:56 AM
Scuttle Butt.


Stevie Ray Vaughn CONFIRMED :coolio


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 21, 2017, 06:53:48 AM
What's funny about the whole thing is that by his words and actions MP all but confirmed that Bumblefoot is involved. He could of just said that Bumblefoot was recording a new album at the same studio or something and this would be a non-story. I think that MP just wants complete control over everything and in the age of social media and the internet that's practically impossible. The way he handled his forum really turned me off. I hardly post or visit there anymore and this type of stuff doesn't help my desire to go back.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 07:02:16 AM
I've said it before but MP was my favourite member of Dream Theater when he was in the band.

Ever since he quit he's done all he can to put me off him as a person.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on March 21, 2017, 07:36:51 AM
Love MP and his passion for the fans and music but I'm not quite sure what happened with this attempt at hype. He let us know there
was a new prog metal supergroup recording and of course all of us begin the natural course of action...speculation and guessing at
WHO is in the band. It's 100% guaranteed we are all going to do this, especially since this is the 1st such project since he left DT.
But for reasons only he and the members know he decides it's not appropriate to speculate about this yet so the plug is pulled on all
comments. I guess I'll just have to trust that there is some significant reason why there has to be such a veil of secrecy about this
but all in all it's pretty confusing.

Still anxious for the album though. I've been waiting for MP to go back to his roots for years now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 21, 2017, 07:49:05 AM
This is sarcasm, right?  Every time there is a poop storm talked about here because of something Portnoy said (which is A LOT), there are a handful of people I always expect to swoop in and have Portnoy's back the second any time someone goes over the line, and you are one of those people.  You even admitted to being a "MP fanboy" the other day, but now you don't have a dog in this hunt?  Sure.

Not sure what you want of me?   I conceded before - and will again - to being a fanboy.  But it's not as if I'm blind or immune to what he does.  I see it.  I just don't think it's all that big a deal.   Maybe I'm used to it because I was married to someone like that.  HAHA.      And by "no dog in this hunt", meaning, I don't make any money off this, I'm not a member of his organization, I've never met the man so there's no personal interest, I'm not willing to burn any relationship bridges over this, and at the end of the day we're talking about a "band" (maybe) that hasn't released a note of music.  So no, I don't really have a dog in this hunt. 

I DO think people are too harsh on him.  Always right to the "he's such a CHILD!"  How come there are so few - if any - mentions that maybe he was protecting Bumblefoot for some reason?  Thal has that project with Scott Stapp that is trying to make a go of it; maybe he just laid down some sick beats in the studio on the condition that "hey don't tell anyone; I don't want to blow my main gig", and MP was just throwing some support his way?  He can't actually SAY that, but he did say "there's a method to my madness".   

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Which is perfectly fine - what I find weird is how he blames the fans when someone in the studio screwed up. It's not like fans hacked a phone or stalked the studio with paparazzi equipment. Someone in the studio posted a video. Cat's out of the bag, damage's done, all he needed to say was one line about "I know there was a video out there but people were not supposed to see it, so please, those of you who know, don't spoil the surprise to everyone else and don't discuss it!".

Yep.  This should have been so easy to handle from a PR standpoint.

This is a very fair point; it was a legit way to handle it and probably would have avoided all the calamity.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 21, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
It's just daft. It's clear he wanted there to be hype as he was releasing teasers. I mean if no one had given a rats ass then I'm sure he'd have been pissed about that too. The only thing I can think is that he wanted there to be loads of hype and speculation but for everyone to be way off base. The fact that it all came out pretty quickly made him lose his rag and he was angry. It's like he wanted to out smart all his fans and keep everyone guessing but failed, so had a tantrum. That's just my take on it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 21, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
MP has a long history of sticking his foot in his mouth. This isn't the first time, and it isn't the last. What surprises me is that after all these years of doing it, and knowing he does it, and I assume then regretting it to a degree afterward, why he continues. I mean, let's not kid ourselves -- for example, he lost the A7X gig not because the band wanted someone else, or because MP himself was "too busy," but because of his big mouth. He knows it, everyone knows it. He can spin it anyway he wants it, and A7X (who seems very good at handling publicity) quite nicely sidestepped the issue, but the reality is, MP likely had that gig in the can after doing a record and touring, and he just killed it because of his mouth.

But whether someone buys that or not, it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -- MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online. Not all the time, but when he has something big he is working on, he really needs to use a filter he can trust to do the right thing. Because clearly, there is an issue.

I applaud MP for wanting to be connected directly with fans of his work. That says something really good about a famous musician who makes it a point to have that connection. But we're all flawed, and MP's flaws are magnified because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. And I don't say any of this out of hate of MP. I'm very excited for his new project. But the way he's treating fans (threatening to ban them, etc.) is just more of the same BS. He should know better by now.

Here's hoping this blows over, and everyone maintains excitement over his new band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 21, 2017, 08:10:56 AM
But whether someone buys that or not, it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -- MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.

You clearly have never dealt with a micromanager :lol
Wanting to do everything because "otherwise it doesn't get done right" is their nature.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 21, 2017, 08:12:24 AM
I think it would have been better for MP to keep quiet until the summer instead of throwing out the bone he did and expect the hounds to be satisfied until months have passed.

Does anyone think it was good marketing to just announce a prog metal supergroup is in the works but not give anymore info and say that you wont know more until summer?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 21, 2017, 08:17:40 AM
I think it was a mistake to even call it "prog metal supergroup". It's total clickbait, and likely can't live up to its expectations.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2017, 08:27:26 AM
Does anyone think it was good marketing to just announce a prog metal supergroup is in the works but not give anymore info and say that you wont know more until summer?

I don't think the announcement was bad, but if you are going to have issues when people start putting the pieces of the puzzle together or get mad when things leak, then it's probably a poor decision to make that public.

I think it was a mistake to even call it "prog metal supergroup". It's total clickbait, and likely can't live up to its expectations.

This too.  I think using the term supergroup is a bad idea, unless in fact this turns out to be a true supergroup unlike anything we had seen from MP before.... but that appears to not be the case at all  and maybe the fact people are discovering this before the full announcement is what is ticking him off? 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 21, 2017, 08:30:48 AM
But whether someone buys that or not, it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -- MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.

You clearly have never dealt with a micromanager :lol
Wanting to do everything because "otherwise it doesn't get done right" is their nature.

 :lol

No, I have, because I am one by nature.  :lol But I learned that while it is helpful to a point, for much bigger success, you need to focus where your strengths are, and let people who know what they're doing handle the tasks that you aren't quite as strong at. To this day, I'm still really surprised MP hasn't made a similar realization.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 21, 2017, 12:00:02 PM
MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.
It's a sad day when you can say "MP has something in common with the SCROTUS."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 12:05:16 PM
Who is Scrotus ?  :P


Supreme Court Republican Of The United states Military

:neverusethis:

Is that why he's so wrinkly
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 21, 2017, 02:11:52 PM
Who is Scrotus ?  :P


Supreme Court Republican Of The United states Military

:neverusethis:

Is that why he's so wrinkly
So-Called Ruler Of The US (Trump)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.
It's a sad day when you can say "MP has something in common with the SCROTUS."

I can't remember if it was this thread or the other one, but I pointed out the extreme similarities between him and Trump.  And I didn't even think of the "he needs someone to oversee his social media activity" one. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 22, 2017, 02:24:26 PM
http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/rumors/are-ex-dream-theater-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-keyboardist-derek-sherinian-back-together

They're not letting it rest :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
:lol if I was a reporter over at BM - i'd make a full report of every single rumour about MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 22, 2017, 02:34:23 PM
MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.
It's a sad day when you can say "MP has something in common with the SCROTUS."

I can't remember if it was this thread or the other one, but I pointed out the extreme similarities between him and Trump.  And I didn't even think of the "he needs someone to oversee his social media activity" one. :lol :lol

We need Zydar's Photoshop skills.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
i'll have a go too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8lCLf7X.jpg)

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 22, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
 :lol


 :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 03:01:45 PM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 22, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
I'm still chuckling. Perfect. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 22, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
:lol if I was a reporter over at BM - i'd make a full report of every single rumour about MP.

https://youtu.be/q6EoRBvdVPQ?t=6s
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 22, 2017, 07:29:06 PM
http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/rumors/are-ex-dream-theater-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-keyboardist-derek-sherinian-back-together

They're not letting it rest :lol

Well, I think MP wants to speculate about Derek being in the group so that part is fine...at least I think, according to MP's wishes, or what we have put together.

It's the fact that they mention Bumblefoot which is NOT an approved rumor which makes it too far...I think. 

I mean, the hints he threw down with Derek were pretty obvious, right?

So....I guess we just need MP to tell us what rumors we are allowed to talk about.  He should probably make metal injection aware as well. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on March 22, 2017, 07:30:01 PM
It's Trumpnoy! Nice job, Koto.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 23, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8lCLf7X.jpg)

Oh God don't let him see this :D I think this would freak him out!

BTW if I remember correctly MP has always stayed pretty neutral on social media when it came to politics.. Not to start an OT here, but do you guys think he voted for Trump?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on March 23, 2017, 01:42:47 AM
I don't know about MP but JP had something to say about Trump.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_give_trump_a_chance_i_like_him.html
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 23, 2017, 02:41:06 AM
I vaguely remember a Facebook post from Mike a few months ago which implied that he didn't like Trump, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: arkdtmp on March 23, 2017, 02:56:29 AM
I've said it before but MP was my favourite member of Dream Theater when he was in the band.

Ever since he quit he's done all he can to put me off him as a person.

Whoa, this surprised me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 23, 2017, 03:01:44 AM
I don't know about MP but JP had something to say about Trump.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_give_trump_a_chance_i_like_him.html

It's not hard to tell what JP is. If you look at his Twitter account, he always followed the Republican candidate. It doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Sycsa on March 23, 2017, 04:29:39 AM
Regardless of where you stand, that JP quote about Trump was classy and tactful. What Edmund Burke said at the end of the article is the exact opposite, and it mirrors the smug liberal attitude which put Trump in office in the first place.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 23, 2017, 04:39:16 AM
JP isn't one to be intentionally controversial, regardless of what anyone around him says.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2017, 06:04:44 AM
Regardless of where you stand, that JP quote about Trump was classy and tactful.

I wish other musicians/celebrities took that approach as well.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 06:31:22 AM
I can't imagine great things being in store unless Trump gets impeached and he is replaced by someone who isn't completely inept.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 23, 2017, 07:35:05 AM
Regardless of where you stand, that JP quote about Trump was classy and tactful.

Yeah, I think we discussed this interview in P/R when it came out, and that was my take as well. JP is just being classy and reasonable.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2017, 10:03:19 AM
This is not the P/R subforum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 23, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
So I had this thought while at work yesterday - whenever Mike (because he'll be the first one to announce it) reveals who is in the band other than Derek, how does he expect this fans (that have been following this so far) to react? With fake surprise, or blind adoration? Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised. If it turns out that it was Bumblefoot all along, then most of us will probably react with "Well, see, there ya go...told ya so" feelings, and I can guarantee that will illicit some sort of reaction from Mike (probably mass post deletions on Facebook posts).

If he's smart, whenever another announcement is made, it should just be the guitarist so we get that out of the way. If he saves that announcement for last, it'll be a horrible anti-climax, especially since we don't have any idea who the bassist or vocalist may be. Announce the guitarist next, then the bassist, and end on a high note with the vocalist and band name. I think that might have the best possible reaction, going in that order, and depending on who the vocalist is, maybe by then, we may have all gotten over this whole thing with video-leaks and MP-control and what not.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2017, 11:01:25 AM
He should just release everything at once when it's all confirmed and settled for sure.  Puzzles aren't any fun when someone gets upset when pieces of the puzzle get solved.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 11:16:04 AM
He should just release everything at once when it's all confirmed and settled for sure.  Puzzles aren't any fun when someone gets upset when pieces of the puzzle get solved.

How did DT react when someone figured out part of False Awakening from the short studio clip ?

Pretty sure - if memory serves - that JR or JP said it was " pretty cool " that someone was able to figure it out from a quick screen grab of some MIDI.

It was either that or they didn't mention it at all. Both of which would be classier than whatever MP is trying to achieve.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 23, 2017, 12:37:48 PM
He should just release everything at once when it's all confirmed and settled for sure.  Puzzles aren't any fun when someone gets upset when pieces of the puzzle get solved.

How did DT react when someone figured out part of False Awakening from the short studio clip ?

Pretty sure - if memory serves - that JR or JP said it was " pretty cool " that someone was able to figure it out from a quick screen grab of some MIDI.

It was either that or they didn't mention it at all. Both of which would be classier than whatever MP is trying to achieve.

Or when people started to find the artist who did Astonishing images... they did not "attack" fans for finding out too much as I recall
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
And when the tour poster was found saying

The Astonishing

DREAM THEATER


Long before the album title was announced....Nothing.

And when a band was in the same studio as Noel Gallagher recording his secret first album - they tweeted about it.

Noel didn't say a thing. He didn't confirm or deny it. He ignored it and got on with it.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 01:40:14 PM
To me if he just came over for a jam - it makes NO Sense that MP would be so mad.

If it's NOT him just say something like " Oops ! Someone jumped the gun in the studio ! Were we in the same studio and were jamming ? Is he doing a guest spot ?

you'll just have to wait and find out !! "

Not bite fans heads off when they did precisely 0 for the actual info getting out....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 23, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
I thought it might be a variation on what Hef said; that maybe somehow the leak made Mike look bad to Bumblefoot for some reason, or created some legal/licensing headache.   Not as if this is the first time Mike's done this, though, so that can't be all of it. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 23, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

You don't book the studio for a whole week, go through the process of perfectly miking the whole kit (the pics he posted of his kit look it's a recording setup, not just a live setup), setup Derek's 12235245603526894173 keyboards, etc. for just an auditio. He clearly is working with the band either as the main guitarist or, as you also said, as a special guest or something similar, but still that doesn't justify MP's reaction at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
I thought it might be a variation on what Hef said; that maybe somehow the leak made Mike look bad to Bumblefoot for some reason, or created some legal/licensing headache.   Not as if this is the first time Mike's done this, though, so that can't be all of it.

Maybe true

Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out. 

Also maybe true.

But the problem for me is, none of that is likely true given the initial tweet/social media post by MP.  You don't announce a new super group if the "super" part isn't in place yet.  You also, typically, don't get a recording studio if the band is not ready yet.  (Some bigger bands can likely do this with a bigger budget).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 23, 2017, 06:09:01 PM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out.

It's OK for him to get pissed. I just wish he did not take it out on the fans.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DT2003 on March 23, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out.

It's OK for him to get pissed. I just wish he did not take it out on the fans.
Exactly and that's the problem I have. Someone in the studio posted a video that Mike didn't want posted and then when his fans comment on it and post about it, he gets pissed at them. Then you have a guy (moog) post a message praising Mike and saying how fans disrespected Mike and Mike responds by saying "moog gets it" and then threatens his fans that he won't put up with it and will "shut that shit down" which is eventually what happened. I've been a HUGE supporter of Mike for the past 23 years and when I saw his Facebook post teasing this band initially I was so excited as I've been waiting for him to do this since he left DT. I have to say though my excitement has diminished a bit given all that's happened.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Moor on March 24, 2017, 05:21:35 AM
So I had this thought while at work yesterday - whenever Mike (because he'll be the first one to announce it) reveals who is in the band other than Derek, how does he expect this fans (that have been following this so far) to react? With fake surprise, or blind adoration? Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised. If it turns out that it was Bumblefoot all along, then most of us will probably react with "Well, see, there ya go...told ya so" feelings, and I can guarantee that will illicit some sort of reaction from Mike (probably mass post deletions on Facebook posts).

If he's smart, whenever another announcement is made, it should just be the guitarist so we get that out of the way. If he saves that announcement for last, it'll be a horrible anti-climax, especially since we don't have any idea who the bassist or vocalist may be. Announce the guitarist next, then the bassist, and end on a high note with the vocalist and band name. I think that might have the best possible reaction, going in that order, and depending on who the vocalist is, maybe by then, we may have all gotten over this whole thing with video-leaks and MP-control and what not.

-Marc.

Personally I do not care about announcements and staff! All I care about is the outcome, meaning the music itself.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2017, 11:01:26 AM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out.

It's OK for him to get pissed. I just wish he did not take it out on the fans.
Oh, sure.  I am not in any way defending his PUBLIC reaction.  That was as bad as always.

I was just commenting on M's suggestion that we already know who the guitarist is.  Well, not necessarily.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 24, 2017, 11:52:56 AM

So I had this thought while at work yesterday - whenever Mike (because he'll be the first one to announce it) reveals who is in the band other than Derek, how does he expect this fans (that have been following this so far) to react? With fake surprise, or blind adoration? Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised. If it turns out that it was Bumblefoot all along, then most of us will probably react with "Well, see, there ya go...told ya so" feelings, and I can guarantee that will illicit some sort of reaction from Mike (probably mass post deletions on Facebook posts).

If he's smart, whenever another announcement is made, it should just be the guitarist so we get that out of the way. If he saves that announcement for last, it'll be a horrible anti-climax, especially since we don't have any idea who the bassist or vocalist may be. Announce the guitarist next, then the bassist, and end on a high note with the vocalist and band name. I think that might have the best possible reaction, going in that order, and depending on who the vocalist is, maybe by then, we may have all gotten over this whole thing with video-leaks and MP-control and what not.

-Marc.

I'd agree with all that. However, it could be possible that if MP sees this as a long term, permanent band, he's also knee deep in making sure the band gels, and everyone is on the same page. And then once they do (and if they do), then signing contracts and getting legalities out of the way (I am sure after his DT experience, he is probably making sure things are clearly spelled out). Just because he has people in mind, and they worked together for a week or so, doesn't mean everything is GO yet, or even that they HAVE "A" singer. They might just be jamming, to see how it goes, record some demos, and then bring in a few singers later on, and see how everyone fits together in the same room, and hanging out.

If this IS a permanent thing, he's smart to take his time about the whole thing, and like he said, get it all set up, and once the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, if it is a BIG announcement (in terms of the singer), the label involved obviously would want to put together a sizeable marketing campaign.

So there could be a lot of factors in play. Bumblefoot potentially being the guitarist (or ONE OF the guitarists) is out there, and it obviously was a "leak" from MP's perspective. But again, perhaps MP doesn't know yet how the band is going to shape up other than him and Derek. And if that's true, I get why HE just wants to be the guy teasing things, and doesn't want things to get out of control.

Is he going about it the wrong way? In my opinion, yes. But I also do understand that there may be other reasons why he is trying to control the situation. Things may be really fluid right now, and he might not want to reveal too many people and details and then change them later (which he'd get crucified for, I'm sure).

So yes, MP could handle this better. BUT, I am sure there is a LOT more behind the scenes going on, and a lot of that is probably contributing to a lot of the secrecy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2017, 01:58:33 PM
What better way for a band to gel than watching him blow up on Twitter!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 24, 2017, 03:17:43 PM
What better way for a band to gel than watching him blow up on Twitter!

The other thing I realized -- IF Bumble is in the band, he has another band that is going to tour extensively soon -- Art of Anarchy, who released its first album with Scott Stapp today. So MP might also have been trying not to steal his potential bandmate's spotlight or take away from their album launch with rumors about him being in MP's band.

I just ordered the record today, and I forgot Bumble was in that band (I really liked their record with Scott Weiland, and I think Stapp will do a fine job).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 24, 2017, 05:39:44 PM
The other thing I realized -- IF Bumble is in the band, he has another band that is going to tour extensively soon -- Art of Anarchy, who released its first album with Scott Stapp today. So MP might also have been trying not to steal his potential bandmate's spotlight or take away from their album launch with rumors about him being in MP's band.

Good point.  In a speculation perspective, best for MP to learn from that after his tenure with A7X since that kinda coincided with him leaving DT and I'm sure people, at the time, was pointing the fingers at A7X as the main reason why he left DT and A7X, reasonably so, didn't want to deal with that kind of drama as it was affecting what was really important which was the music and their latest album at the time, Nightmare, which was a very important album to them in all fronts (commercially, personally, etc.).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 24, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
I know the earlier Photoshop was mostly done in jest, but there definitely is a similarity in character between those two. Whenever things don't go according to plan, a scapegoat needs to be found and publicly slaughtered.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: clinks63 on March 24, 2017, 11:43:25 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. The big thing about these parts is that while MP is locked in with the rest of the band, the parts still have their own identity. That to me is the biggest difference between Portnoy and Mangini. MM tries to blend with the other instruments while MP plays to the song but allows his playing to stand out.

THAT drum part was the catalyst for me becoming interested in music as a whole. It was my inspiration for picking up the drumsticks and diving down the rabbit hole of prog and heavy metal. Literally a life-changing musical moment.

this!
constant motion

i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s

Doesn't sound like it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 25, 2017, 10:35:05 PM
Actually, he did quite well, it sounded really good. And with the way MM's kit is set up, doing 16th notes on the hi-hat with two hands can't be easy or at least there's more reaching than with a normal kit. I wish more of the video focused on him, but I understand that it's a Petrucci solo...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 25, 2017, 10:42:42 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2017, 11:13:39 PM


i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s

If you made that bet in Vegas, you'd be broke.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2017, 01:57:19 AM
I think MMs version is a good show of how they're different. He almost entirely doubles the accents/hits of the guitar, while MP was also filling in the spaces between hits and notes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 26, 2017, 04:19:51 AM
MP sid better live with the hi-hats. MM did better with the bass drums. As expected.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: lucasembarbosa on March 26, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

100% agreed, he totally nailed it!

SO ENERGY

POWER
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2017, 06:57:09 PM
Love the comments:
"Labrie has 4 arms" :lol


Yes, MM kills this! :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2017, 07:02:48 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

100% agreed, he totally nailed it!

SO ENERGY

POWER

Ugh, I wish I liked that song, because you're right, he really does nail it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nattmorker on March 26, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

He absolutely nailed it! I really enjoy watching MM playing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 26, 2017, 09:20:31 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 26, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
It's hard to match Mangini when the song calls for metal-style drumming.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on March 27, 2017, 10:24:03 AM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.

It would be better if MM stood up and spit during the song.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 27, 2017, 10:26:57 AM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.

It would be better if MM stood up and spit during the song.

Yeah and needs more WAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOO in the mic.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2017, 10:54:16 AM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.

It would be better if MM stood up and spit during the song.

Yeah and needs more WAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOO in the mic.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: clinks63 on March 30, 2017, 02:59:18 AM


i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s

If you made that bet in Vegas, you'd be broke.

 :angel:

MP sid better live with the hi-hats. MM did better with the bass drums. As expected.

this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

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SebaChannel1 year ago
is it me? or mangini couldnt handle the solo? he he used the bass pedals lol
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Colmill052
Colmill0521 year ago
Why would he play it the same? And if I am right, the kicks are a bit too cranked on the mix. If he could play the quick pre solo section, which is grueling, I doubt he cant do it but the mix hid the toms
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Colmill052
Colmill0521 year ago
Seriously that part with the hi hat and quick tom fills still is exhausting
ossibossi100
ossibossi1001 year ago
+SebaChannel Except he didn't?
SebaChannel
SebaChannel1 year ago
+ossibossi100 im not sure, but i think this comment was supossed to be in other video xd
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wondaful91 year ago
ur right bro. I'm wearing earbuds. and he couldn't handle the solo. he used his kickers at the end. I think it's because of the way his set is. the decabons are probably too high for him to hit them that quickly. and his toms are set too complexed for that. but yeah, I was a lil disappointed with this performance. I was wanting to see how he was gona pull off one of Portnoy's best parts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 30, 2017, 04:18:59 AM
this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

What exactly are you saying about how Mangini played the toms and octobans? Look at these footages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyo0dQegGW8

He can do that with ease if he wants to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

Interesting point. I've certainly overlooked that much of the time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 02, 2017, 12:15:33 AM
this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

What exactly are you saying about how Mangini played the toms and octobans? Look at these footages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyo0dQegGW8

He can do that with ease if he wants to.

Holy crap!  Not only is Mike in top form, but the whole band is.  That might be my personal favorite version of Constant Motion.  I don't think they've played that in America since Portnoy was in the band, right? Man, they need to bring it back. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on April 02, 2017, 12:36:05 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

Interesting point. I've certainly overlooked that much of the time.

MP has said numerous times that he has locked in with other instruments during a live show. I think he said it a couple of times during DVD commentaries.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2017, 12:39:00 AM
But not bass. I think he said he doesn't have the bass in his personal mix.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on April 02, 2017, 12:49:23 AM
I know he said JP for sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 02, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
Yeah, MP made several comments in interviews and commentaries that his in ear mix with DT was pretty much mostly JP, with a lot of his (MPs) vocals, and a little JR, JM, and James basically as guides.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
Interesting.  That somewhat seems counterintuitive at first blush, but makes sense when you think about it.  Drums typically accent what is going on with the lead instruments and vocals, so the drummer needs to be able to hear and follow what they are doing.  Bass typically locks in with and accents drums, not vice versa, so the drummer doesn't necessarily really need to hear what the bass is doing for the most part. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on April 05, 2017, 01:18:19 PM
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 01:25:03 PM
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
That is true.  But the bass generally follows the drums.  The drums do not usually follow the bass.  So the bassist definitely needs to have the drums high in her personal mix to follow them, but the drummer does not necessarily need to have the bass.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2017, 01:27:21 PM
Well, I'm sure MP could hear JM in his ears, it's just a matter of how loud. His comments always seemed to imply JP's guitar was louder than JM's bass.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 05, 2017, 01:44:49 PM
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.

The drums do not need to follow the bass, necessarily. The drums are usually the 'boss' so to speak, in a band and thus they make the rhythm, not follow the rest of the band. In a live setting the bass guitar is also not a convenient instrument to listen to when trying to follow the song (low frequencies aren't easy to follow, especially in a live setting) which is why the guitars on the monitors might be preferred. Contrary to what you are writing, I know more drummers that prefer to hear guitars, than those who to have bass on the monitors, including the drummer in my band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 05, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
When I played drums, I always wanted to hear what my bass player was doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
When I played drums, I always wanted to hear what my bass player was doing.

Kotow's songs were really technical and sometimes I even had to count in my head some parts as we were doing two time signatures at once...

Hearing the bass was crucial !

We had a rule of No 4/4 *unless* the riff sounded catchier in 4/4
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on April 05, 2017, 02:44:15 PM
You can always tell when a drummer and bass player don't feed off each other.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on April 05, 2017, 02:49:49 PM
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.

And Myung has been a lot more communicative since MP quit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 05, 2017, 03:26:27 PM
I guess it depends on the type of music you play.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
I guess if the AC/DC drummer listened to a lot of Cliff Williams - he'd fall asleep. :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on April 05, 2017, 05:11:45 PM
I wonder if this supergroup is a manifestation of this sentiment that Mike aired in an interview last year:

http://noisefull.com/interviews/mike-portnoy

"Well, the only thing I miss (about being in Dream Theater), to be honest, is being the captain of a ship. Because after I left Dream Theater - all of the things I’ve done after Dream Theater that I just mentioned, in all of those cases - I’ve never been the clear leader. Everything I’ve done like Flying Colors, The Winery Dogs, they’re more collaborative roles and to be honest I do miss the amount of control that I had in Dream Theater. I was able to make 90% of the decisions and direction in Dream Theater on my own and didn’t really discuss everything and those guys kind of trusted me with that. So, I do kind of miss that.
 
One of the things about being in a band is that sometimes the collaborative process can be great, but it’s also incredibly frustrating at times. Having to go through a hundred emails on every single decision sometimes, you pull your hair out of your head and I miss the days that I had in Dream Theater, where I ran the show. But honestly it’s okay, because that was then and this is now."
 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on April 05, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.

And Myung has been a lot more communicative since MP quit.

Yes. He improved it to, "I'm feeling VERY spooky."

I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
That is true.  But the bass generally follows the drums.  The drums do not usually follow the bass.  So the bassist definitely needs to have the drums high in her personal mix to follow them, but the drummer does not necessarily need to have the bass.

Generally, yes. But not many bassists, like Myung, will sometimes double the lead. I thought I read/heard that MP used to follow JP more than the bass and JM followed JR more. I could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure that was said at some point. Obviously it's not MP anymore but it's something to think about. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 08:14:21 AM
MY OPINOIN ONLY:   You can teach people to play bass (Fripp famously taught Boz Burrell to play because he needed a bass player as well as a singer; Sid Vicious), but I have an adage:

There are no "great" bands that don't have a "great" drummer.   A drummer can make a good band great, but a band can't make a good drummer great. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2017, 08:14:53 AM
Generally, yes. But not many bassists, like Myung, will sometimes double the lead. I thought I read/heard that MP used to follow JP more than the bass and JM followed JR more. I could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure that was said at some point. Obviously it's not MP anymore but it's something to think about. 

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.  Again, to me, it makes perfect sense.  Having your own personal mix how you want it onstage is such an individual thing.  The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me that a lot of drummers would want the bass pretty low in their own mix.  As a singer who drums a little, I think about my own, and how different they would be in each of those roles.  As a singer, I want primarily guitar and vocals.  If I can't hear what the primary instrument, the guitar is doing, I can't necessarily tell where we are in the song and can't tell if I am in key.  I also need to hear myself clearly so I know if I am in key and so that I don't unconsciously push too hard by thinking I am low in the mix, and thereby tiring my voice out.  Drums come next, but lower in the mix.  As a drummer, I want the lead instruments front and center.  I am laying down the beat, so they mostly follow me.  But I need to know when and how to accent in order to drive the songs, and I can't do that unless I can hear the leads.  Hearing the bass too high in the mix is not only unnecessary, but would be detrimental if it interferes with me more easily picking out the leads.  Again, others may feel differently, but that's my preference.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on April 06, 2017, 08:20:27 AM
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

"For me, it's time to come home and do what I've always done. I have been making Richie Kotzen records since I was 18; it's a source of survival, sanity, art, and everything you want to call it. I know the other guys have something very exciting in the works which people will love. It may fill a WINERY DOGS void."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
I certainly didn't get the same response while reading that article.  Sad the Winery Dogs are going on hiatus.  I mean, I assumed they would due to other projects but definitely didn't want a multiple year break.  Cool they have a blu ray coming out though  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 08:29:13 AM
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

"For me, it's time to come home and do what I've always done. I have been making Richie Kotzen records since I was 18; it's a source of survival, sanity, art, and everything you want to call it. I know the other guys have something very exciting in the works which people will love. It may fill a WINERY DOGS void."

I didn't at ALL get that.   Portnoy has his things but Billy Sheehan is reportedly doing a new Mr. Big record.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on April 06, 2017, 08:34:32 AM
That's how I read it as well Stads. I'd be really surprised if Billy is in the new band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2017, 08:57:50 AM
That's how I read it as well Stads. I'd be really surprised if Billy is in the new band.

It actually sounded like Billy was upset WD are taking a break.  He says he believes in being a band, not a project.  That makes me think he is less likely to be apart of this new supergroup because I feel it's more likely to end up as a project than an ongoing band.  Just my feeling on this since it is being labelled a supergroup.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on April 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.

Hey, not at all saying you're wrong, just that I read it a different way.  And you're 100% right with that last point: we'll find out, won't we!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on April 06, 2017, 10:06:48 AM
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.

Hey, not at all saying you're wrong, just that I read it a different way.  And you're 100% right with that last point: we'll find out, won't we!

You will......WHEN HE DECIDES IT'S THE RIGHT GOD DAMN TIME!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on April 21, 2017, 10:51:52 PM
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403)

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One final special announcement!
Please welcome Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian and their new super group to Cruise to the Edge 2018!
 More details coming soon!
cruisetotheedge.com
#CruiseToTheEdge #CTTE #Prog #Tampa #MikePortnoy #DerekSherinian #FiveDays #GetOnboard YES (official)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 21, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
I am not surprised :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 22, 2017, 05:14:24 AM
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403)

Quote
One final special announcement!
Please welcome Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian and their new super group to Cruise to the Edge 2018!
 More details coming soon!
cruisetotheedge.com
#CruiseToTheEdge #CTTE #Prog #Tampa #MikePortnoy #DerekSherinian #FiveDays #GetOnboard YES (official)

Of course they are. And the organisation hasn't heard a note of what they're playing, I presume. Wow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403)

Quote
One final special announcement!
Please welcome Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian and their new super group to Cruise to the Edge 2018!
 More details coming soon!
cruisetotheedge.com
#CruiseToTheEdge #CTTE #Prog #Tampa #MikePortnoy #DerekSherinian #FiveDays #GetOnboard YES (official)

Of course they are. And the organisation hasn't heard a note of what they're playing, I presume. Wow.

So far on cruises MP has brought PSMS, the Yes encore with Jon Anderson, Neal Morse x 2, his two birthday bash sets, and the Chris Squire Tribute. I'm guessing they know they can trust him to pull something off.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2017, 01:20:11 PM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2017, 02:03:21 PM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Not really. On Progressive Nation he obviously was, but he was simply an artist on CTTE 15 and stepped in when Squire died to organize the tribute. On CTTE 17 in conjunction with his birthday bash they allowed him to contribute some names of bands he wanted to play and got them in a kinda merger with Progressive Nation, but he's not in any official place of power within the Cruise to the Edge structure as far as I know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on April 23, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
Portnoy has reached the point where anything with his name on it will draw an audience. Why wouldn't they want to book a MP/DS project?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2017, 04:27:34 PM
Yep, that Neal Morse Band show here in St. Louis back in January drew like 250 people!  That is called being a draw. :P

Nick, I was not aware of that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
Yep, that Neal Morse Band show here in St. Louis back in January drew like 250 people!  That is called being a draw. :P

No offense, but we aren't talking about a random show in a questionable prog market, but rather who has a name that can draw people coming in from all over the world for a special vacation. I know several people on facebook who booked the day Portnoy was announced based on his involvement. His projects and performances have been big draws on these events, and that translates to a worthwhile draw on a new project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 24, 2017, 01:58:25 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-he-is-not-too-busy-to-rejoin-dream-theater-on-images-words-beyond-tour/
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2017, 04:34:09 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-he-is-not-too-busy-to-rejoin-dream-theater-on-images-words-beyond-tour/

"Portnoy went on to say that he has "a very good relationship with John Petrucci and Jordan, and we stay in touch and we remain friends. The other two [singer James LaBrie and bassist John Myung] I've barely heard from. I've tried to reach out. But anyway, I have very fond memories of all those years and it's a huge part of my life."

If that's true, that's a pity. I'd love them all for being on speaking terms, not necessarily for a DT reunion, just for them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 24, 2017, 04:38:46 AM
I'm not at all surprised Myung and Labrie don't talk to him...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 24, 2017, 06:48:33 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on April 24, 2017, 07:05:18 AM
I'm not at all surprised Myung and Labrie don't talk to him...

I've always understood the lack of warm and fuzzys between JLB and MP, but I'm still surprised at how Myung reacted. I've always gotten the sense that he felt betrayed by MP leaving.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 24, 2017, 07:11:17 AM
I'm not at all surprised Myung and Labrie don't talk to him...

I've always understood the lack of warm and fuzzys between JLB and MP, but I'm still surprised at how Myung reacted. I've always gotten the sense that he felt betrayed by MP leaving.

Well, therein lies a basis for not talking anymore, right?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2017, 07:32:28 AM
For me, gut feeling of course, the one that felt most betrayed was Petrucci, the other leader of the band, who surely envisioned himself helming DT along with Portnoy until the very last day.

Myung felt more to me distant on a personal level, not liking Portnoy's control of the band and the tailored against him "Bring finished lyrics" rule.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2017, 07:46:10 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.
Not really, not when its members have proven themselves already.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.
Not really, not when its members have proven themselves already.

Yea agreed.  MP's Shattered Fortress was named the headliner at ProgPower before we knew anything about the players and the fact it was going to be MP and a performances of TSF.  The guys made a reputation for himself and has a fan base.  I don't think they need more than that to book him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on April 24, 2017, 08:42:00 AM
Yup. And that announcement has me considering doing the cruise again next year, between Haken, Thank You Scientist, and now this Portnoy project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2017, 08:45:09 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.

That makes no sense; you say it's "because of Mike Portnoy", but that implies that Mike doesn't have the credibility to merit that.   I think he most certainly does.   People are interested in what he's doing.   Would it be wrong to book Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds without hearing a note, or Keith Richards' Expensive Winos? 

And more existentially, who says people have to "be fair to the newer players on the scene"?   They book who they want to book.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on April 24, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.

I agree. MP has been very consistent with his musical output over the years, but he has made some "bad"/not good enough albums/bands. What If you were booking CTTE and heard there's a new Portnoy/Russell Allen project coming. You know MP is a great drummer and had been in DT for 25 years, and Russell is one of the best singers in the genere, the outcome should be great, shouldn't it? Well, here's two words for you: Adrenaline Mob.
Reality is that this just got booked because MP will draw crowds no matter what he does (good or not).

Same happened with Next to None, Mike's son's band. Not saying they're bad or that they don't deserve the recognition they get, I actually like a couple of their songs, but let's be honest here and admit that they only got this big so fast because one of themembers' last name is Portnoy and their debut album had MP producing, and guest spots by Neal Morse and Bumblefoot. Tell me of any other teenage metal band that can get signed to Inside Out and can get Neal Morse to appear for their first album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2017, 09:18:37 AM
Sometimes its not about what you know, but who you know.   Or who you relate to.  Whatever, that's life.  At the end of the day, MP's new band or his sons band will still need to be able to stand on their own and the music will determine that, not their relationships.  But MP's earned the respect and until people lose interest, there's no reason to suggest he and his future band haven't earned a spot at such an event.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2017, 09:19:16 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.

I agree. MP has been very consistent with his musical output over the years, but he has made some "bad"/not good enough albums/bands. What If you were booking CTTE and heard there's a new Portnoy/Russell Allen project coming. You know MP is a great drummer and had been in DT for 25 years, and Russell is one of the best singers in the genere, the outcome should be great, shouldn't it? Well, here's two words for you: Adrenaline Mob.
Reality is that this just got booked because MP will draw crowds no matter what he does (good or not).

Same happened with Next to None, Mike's son's band. Not saying they're bad or that they don't deserve the recognition they get, I actually like a couple of their songs, but let's be honest here and admit that they only got this big so fast because one of themembers' last name is Portnoy and their debut album had MP producing, and guest spots by Neal Morse and Bumblefoot. Tell me of any other teenage metal band that can get signed to Inside Out and can get Neal Morse to appear for their first album.

But "good" is subjective; personally, I think all his output post DT is excellent EXCEPT for Adrenaline Mob, and it's not prog.  You wouldn't book him for AMob on a prog show.  You might a metal show, and in that context, who's to say it's "bad"?   The same fans that listen to Neal Morse solo stuff are possibly not listening to Mike in Twisted Sister, either.   

As for the latter, well, it's not as if "Portnoy" is the first one to have this happen to them.  Do you think Sean Lennon or Julian Lennon haven't gotten some benefit of the doubt?  This is not a new phenomenon. 

Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire?  Even if the known name results in 50 more tickets, it's still that much less you are at risk.   I'm more bugged not by Portnoy's name recognition, but by these packaged tours that have Great White, Warrant, Quiet Riot and Ratt, and there isn't one original singer on the bill.   it's the same phenomena, though; the promoter, with hard money on the line, has to put bodies in the venue, and if having a recognizable name does that, so be it.

(And to your point about newer bands, likely affords them MORE opportunity as openers than if there was no show at all.)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2017, 09:32:39 AM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2017, 03:05:59 PM

Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire?   

You book the one with um...growth potential.


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?

Don't worry about Boston, it's not a big college town.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 25, 2017, 09:00:33 AM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?

Don't worry about Boston, it's not a big college town.

Any Spinal Tap reference is a good Spinal Tap reference, if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2017, 08:40:24 AM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?

Don't worry about Boston, it's not a big college town.

Any Spinal Tap reference is a good Spinal Tap reference, if you ask me.

 :rollin I was just watching this last night, great line
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 27, 2017, 02:55:45 AM
He should just call it Supergroup and be done with it. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on April 27, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
MPS, and start enumerating them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2017, 08:00:07 AM
'I will no longer play Dream Theater songs'. (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_i_will_no_longer_play_dream_theater_songs.html)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on June 09, 2017, 08:04:12 AM
I don't know if I believe that he won't play DT songs. Whether he does or not doesn't really matter to me. It's good he is busy with other stuff though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 09, 2017, 08:12:21 AM
Yeah we were taking about that quote in the Shattered Fortress show thread. Like I said there, my assumption is that he means he won't put together another project to specifically cover DT, but he will still play DT songs with other projects like FC or whatever.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 09, 2017, 08:35:23 AM
Yeah we were taking about that quote in the Shattered Fortress show thread. Like I said there, my assumption is that he means he won't put together another project to specifically cover DT, but he will still play DT songs with other projects like FC or whatever.

Yeah, there's no way MP is going to do a prog metal group and not play a few DT songs. I am with you -- he won't do a show solely comprised of DT material again is likely what he meant.

I fully expect this new prog metal group to play its entire new record (on headline shows) with a few covers, including select Dream Theater songs.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 09, 2017, 08:41:03 AM
^For sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 08:44:59 AM
I suspect that what others have said will happen is right.  But as far as what he "meant," I'm not sure he specifically meant anything.  That quote was taken from a larger interview, and he just made that comment off the cuff in the context of making a completely different point.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a spur of the moment thing that slipped out of his mouth without him thinking through what he was saying.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 09, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a spur of the moment thing that slipped out of his mouth without him thinking through what he was saying.

I always thought MP was someone who was not loose and fast with what they said, as he is someone who is well aware of how words can be taken out of context.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
And any slip of the tongue can be easily corrected lickety split with furious backpedalling and a smiley face.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
::)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2017, 03:08:24 PM
'I will no longer play Dream Theater songs'. (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_i_will_no_longer_play_dream_theater_songs.html)

Good for him.

 I don't expect (or even want at this point) to hear anything by Dream Theater from him again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
I don't think Portnoy needs to play DT anymore. Dude has built up an insane resume since leaving and really can just do that stuff and new stuff for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 10, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
The closest thing to DT I wanna hear him play is Derek's "Lines In The Sand" solo (that evolved into the intro to LitS.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 10, 2017, 06:41:36 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on June 10, 2017, 09:49:46 PM
Quick, someone check Derek's tech's twitter account for clues :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 10, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.

Now people are going to start looking for clues on who might be the singer, something will probably get leaked and Mike will go nuts on social media again...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on June 10, 2017, 11:22:32 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.

Now people are going to start looking for clues on who might be the singer, something will probably get leaked and Mike will go nuts on social media again...

IT'S THE CIRCLE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT MOVES US ALLLLLLLLL.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 11, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
I commented on his post with "Singer? This means it's confirmed to NOT be an instrumental band? Sweet!"

And Mike liked my comment.

So it IS confirmed. Because if not, he would have threatened to block me or something :lol


*Crossing fingers for Ted Leonard*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on June 11, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 11, 2017, 09:53:21 AM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
:lol

:rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2017, 11:32:05 AM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...



For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 11, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...



For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded.

I kind of see this as a joint project between Mike and Derek.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 04:07:38 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...



For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded.

It's logistical. Petrucci and Rudess are the leaders of DT, but for the past few albums (not sure about TA) neither are there when the vocals are recorded. They do it the same way. LaBrie records and then sends it to them for notes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2017, 04:37:50 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...





For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded.

It's logistical. Petrucci and Rudess are the leaders of DT, but for the past few albums (not sure about TA) neither are there when the vocals are recorded. They do it the same way. LaBrie records and then sends it to them for notes.

For TA they did, DT12 they didn't, and ADTOE they did for about half the songs. 

Mike has been clear that he is the leader of this project.  Giving notes from across the country is no substitute for being there. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 04:42:24 PM
Like I said man, sometimes it's logistics. Leader or not, it's possible they just can't be in the same place at the same time. Clearly Mike is pretty busy in NY at the moment, and whoever the singer is, maybe this is the only time he could record vocals but only in LA.

It happens. Being a leader doesn't make schedules automatically line up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: pogoowner on June 11, 2017, 05:25:21 PM
Like I said man, sometimes it's logistics. Leader or not, it's possible they just can't be in the same place at the same time. Clearly Mike is pretty busy in NY at the moment, and whoever the singer is, maybe this is the only time he could record vocals but only in LA.

It happens. Being a leader doesn't make schedules automatically line up.
Yeah. Pretty sure people consider Jim Matheos the leader of Fates Warning, but he's never in the same place as Ray Alder during recording. It's just how it goes with some bands.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 11, 2017, 08:26:27 PM
Some fans simply choose to find fault in everything Mike​ does...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on June 11, 2017, 08:29:13 PM
I hear Portnoy pours the milk before the cereal.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 11, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
:lol

:rollin

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

*Crossing fingers for Ted Leonard*

Ted would be a great choice! However, I think SB is working on a new album for this year, and he's also in a couple other bands (Enchant and Thought Chamber), so I don't think that leaves him too much free time to join MP's crazy project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 09:33:12 PM
I'm thinking it's a guy who peaked in the 80's or 90's. Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2017, 09:34:31 PM
Kip Winger?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Kip Winger?

Woah. That was literally the guy I imagined.

Did I read about it somewhere and just forgot?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2017, 10:37:38 PM
Some fans simply choose to find fault in everything Mike​ does...

Oh here we go...

Remember when I posted a rant about how Mike likes Twin Peaks?!  I can't STAND that he *likes* TWIN PEAKS.  I despise him for it.  I suggest you find my thread "Can Mike just stop liking Twin Peaks?!?1?" and post your thoughts.  He's been posting a lot about that.  The nerve. 

I hope you don't think I'm being sarcastic.  I literally find fault in everything he does. 

I even found fault in your post.  Let me fix it for you. 
Some "fans" simply choose to find fault in everything Mike​ does...

So anyway, yeah it's logistics but if he wants us (or rather me) to take this project seriously then I would hope he would make it more of a priority which is what I thought he was doing by insisting he be the band leader.  I mean his tantrum about us guessing Bumblefoot was the guitarist was pretty bad and left a bad taste but if the music is good then the musics good.  Now it just sort of seems like this is just another little project to check off rather than to let the band happen the more organic way. 

Oh wait, I'm supposed to find fault in everything he does.

HOW DARE HE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRESSIVE METAL GROUP (that I was actually kind of excited for)?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 12, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
Dude, I know that the whole point of joining a forum is to discuss things, but I just don't have the time or energy to argue with you on this. Go for it...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 05:11:09 AM
I honestly don't see the problem in being a band leader versus having things done over the internet. This is the way the world works now. It would all be nice and cool to have band members being a surrogate family hanging out together jamming all the time, but it's simply not possibile with other commitments, families and maybe some side-job for people who don't live only off their music. If Dream Theater can record an album with the singer in literally another country on his own, Portnoy can have the singer record with the keyboard player as well.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2017, 07:24:31 AM
I think it's patently unfair to criticize Mike for "being the bandleader" and "not being there in person while the vocals are being recorded".  One, it's 2017.   I largely work out of my house, and have no problem being "present" with the things I do in my company.   Two, you have NO idea what was discussed previously with Derek and/or "The Singer", and what direction was given.   Three, you don't even KNOW The Singer, and have no idea what direction might be needed.   Four, it's not your fucking band.   Mike pretty much has shown us he knows how to run a band - at least to his liking and the liking of a few million fans - so I'm going to trust his judgment over someone posting their thoughts and ideas while wearing pajamas and sucking a juice box in their mom's basement.    (Of course I'm being funny with the last thing, but still...)

REALLY excited for this (and would love it if it was Kip Winger; that's the only wild card; the singer could chill this for me if it is too much on the "metal" side of "prog metal"). 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2017, 07:28:21 AM
I would love it to be Kip Winger too, if only to watch Tim's reaction to this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2017, 08:37:29 AM
My guesses:

John Arch

Jeff Scott Soto



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on June 12, 2017, 08:45:55 AM
Very excited for this one, more so than any other post DT band because it puts him back in his core element. Everything hinges on who
the vocalist is. I know I will love MP and DS on this as I always do. If it turns out to be a really kick ass singer it could be amazing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 12, 2017, 09:06:24 AM
Dude, I know that the whole point of joining a forum is to discuss things, but I just don't have the time or energy to argue with you on this. Go for it...
:lol

I think it's patently unfair to criticize Mike for "being the bandleader" and "not being there in person while the vocals are being recorded".


What a surprise.

Quote
One, it's 2017.   I largely work out of my house, and have no problem being "present" with the things I do in my company.   Two, you have NO idea what was discussed previously with Derek and/or "The Singer", and what direction was given.   Three, you don't even KNOW The Singer, and have no idea what direction might be needed.   Four, it's not your fucking band.   
:lol :lol :lol

Wow, that's your argument? 

Shut down the forums!  I just figured out it's not my band...or anyone else's band that posts here.  I guess there's no point in posting. 
I honestly don't see the problem in being a band leader versus having things done over the internet. This is the way the world works now. It would all be nice and cool to have band members being a surrogate family hanging out together jamming all the time, but it's simply not possibile with other commitments, families and maybe some side-job for people who don't live only off their music. If Dream Theater can record an album with the singer in literally another country on his own, Portnoy can have the singer record with the keyboard player as well.

MirrorMask, thank you for having a constructive argument.  It's nice to see one of those occasionally on this forum. 

I think there is a HUGE difference between having James record his vocals in Canada and what Mike is doing.  First of all, James did that as a strategy.  He felt he records his vocals better in a small setting with just him and Richard Chycki.  For ADTOE he basically said, "Hey we're starting over in several ways.  Let me do this how I want."  For DT12, he recorded them in New York since Richard Chycki was producing them.  TA was a different beast and James said that with all the different voices, emotions, etc., he wanted to record them with just him and Richard again. 

If this was the strategy with Mike, I would respect that.  As it stands, it really just seems like he couldn't fit it into his schedule like it wasn't a top priority.  It reminds me of when those tribute CD were coming out every few weeks.  You would have someone like Kip Winger on vocals, Brad Gillis on guitar, Rex Brown on bass, and Eric Singer on drums.  They would do a tribute to Ozzy or something yet they never met each other in person.  It was still cool and I still own way too many of those tribute CDs but they weren't organic and it really was just a gimmick.  Obviously Mike's project isn't that inorganic but by doing this he is approaching that level.  Maybe not all that close but still just a step closer than I am comfortable with. 
My guesses:

John Arch

Jeff Scott Soto





Man, if it was John Arch that would be a game changer. 



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
Well, since we know nothing yet about the singer, maybe this schedule is worked around him - maybe Mike would have wanted to sit all together, but the singer had other and previous commitments and this was done to accomodate him. We don't know how old is Mike's idea to put together this group, and if the other parties involved had even older, and previous, commitments.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 12, 2017, 09:25:33 AM
Well, since we know nothing yet about the singer, maybe this schedule is worked around him - maybe Mike would have wanted to sit all together, but the singer had other and previous commitments and this was done to accomodate him. We don't know how old is Mike's idea to put together this group, and if the other parties involved had even older, and previous, commitments.

Right, I'm not saying that Mike intentionally chose to do it this way but has too many other things going on to devote fully to the project he says he is the leader of.  If John Petrucci  had James record vocals in Canada because he was too busy opening a new BBQ restaurant, then I would have the same feelings toward Petrucci (although I would plan a trip to NY for the grand opening). 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2017, 10:34:18 AM
Isn't Arch still an East Coast guy? If so, I'd figure he'd record in NY, no?

I think him not being there is a non issue. My feeling is that after an album and some shows, we'll be lucky to get a second album anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 12, 2017, 11:13:10 AM
I think him not being there is a non issue. My feeling is that after an album and some shows, we'll be lucky to get a second album anyway.

Probably true. I agree that it's no biggie that he isn't there for the vocal recordings, but I do find it surprising. After he made a big deal about telling people he was a "bandleader" again, I thought he would insist on being present for stuff like this. I mean, the reason James didn't record in Canada before was MP (if I'm not mistaken) so while I don't think it matters at all, I'm still surprised.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 12, 2017, 11:14:18 AM
Very excited for this one, more so than any other post DT band because it puts him back in his core element. Everything hinges on who
the vocalist is. I know I will love MP and DS on this as I always do. If it turns out to be a really kick ass singer it could be amazing.

Sincerely I believe that, after MP left DT, he entered in a kind of mourning with progressive metal. I think that a band in that style is really the perfect outfit to let flow all his musical influences. Maybe, after he started to revist the DT material for his birthday's shows, he had realised that it was alredy enough time to had stayed away of it. I believe, if this band will be well suceeded commercially, of course, it will his primary band, in the same proportion it was with DT.
About the vocals, I think both Kip Winger or Jeff Scott Soto would be amazing! Maybe JSS is more avaible?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 12, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
While I have not asked him about this, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the role MP plays is similar to what he did in DT - more that of a creative director - and leaving such things as the business end, the sonic qualities and whatnot to Derek, much as JP handled those things in DT. It would make sense given how things worked in DT, how MP is not interested in the business side of things, how Derek was more responsible for the business end of the ProgNation 2014 at Sea (can't remember where I heard/saw that, but it's not just speculation on my part) and how MP has so much else going on in his life. So is it the end of the world that he's not there to do the recording with the singer? Not at all - at least Derek is with this person, and you can be sure that MP is receiving MP3s of the recordings to comment on and approve.

From my dealings with him in designing the tourbooks, T-shirts, CD artwork and a poster, he is *very* hands on and involved in even minute details, even tho everything was done via e-mail. I'm pretty sure if you asked Blob or BobS (who is heavily involved in post-production/editing of many MP-related videos), they'd tell you the same thing. Given that this is far more involved than what I did, you can be sure that this is nothing like musicians simply recording their performances and Fed-Ex'ing it to the next studio like all those tribute albums were, which it should be noted MP was never a fan of in the first place.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on June 12, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
While I like Arch I think he is a big risk as far as mass appeal. There are people like me who like him and many who don't so right away
you lose potential with him. He also sounds so unique that it would be hard NOT to compare everything to Fates or Arch-Matheos.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2017, 01:11:19 PM
It's not Arch. Just saw a pic of him and Alder from yesterday on the East Coast. So I highly doubt it's Arch.

But JSS...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 12, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
Arch would be a deal breaker for me. He might be a very good singer, but I can't stand his voice, that's why I could never get into the first 3 FW albums or the Arch/Matheos album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2017, 04:55:19 PM
I think we are all missing the obvious:

The singer will be Kevin Moore.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: pogoowner on June 12, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
I also kind of doubt John Arch would take on a new project based on the general vibe I get from him. I suppose if there wasn't much touring involved, since it's pretty well known that he's not one for being on the road all the time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on June 12, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
I think we are all missing the obvious:

The singer will be Kevin Moore.

Hey, don't diss that. I happen to like his vocals!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
How was that a diss?  ???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
Just checked Twitter for clues on who might be the singer. Well, two of the last people Jeff Scott Soto followed are Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot. Coincindence? Someone just ask MP about it, and his reaction will answer for us  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 13, 2017, 08:57:36 AM
Just checked Twitter for clues on who might be the singer. Well, two of the last people Jeff Scott Soto followed are Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot. Coincindence? Someone just ask MP about it, and his reaction will answer for us  :biggrin:

Outed by Twitter. It's incredible how today's interconnected world leaves basically no mystery at all!

Sometimes on FB I realize small bands I follow will take part at a concert or a festival, because I have a band member in the friends list and they confirm the partecipation to that event  ;D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on June 13, 2017, 09:05:03 AM
I would be VERY happy with JSS on vocals!!!

I hope it's true.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
Just checked Twitter for clues on who might be the singer. Well, two of the last people Jeff Scott Soto followed are Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot. Coincindence? Someone just ask MP about it, and his reaction will answer for us  :biggrin:

Outed by Twitter. It's incredible how today's interconnected world leaves basically no mystery at all!

Sometimes on FB I realize small bands I follow will take part at a concert or a festival, because I have a band member in the friends list and they confirm the partecipation to that event  ;D

If only Mike understood this the way you do...  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mindflux on June 13, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
Speaking of Derek Sherinian, at some point he blocked me on Twitter. I can't say I ever even interacted directly with him.
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Art on June 13, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
I would be VERY happy with JSS on vocals!!!

I hope it's true.

this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nobloodyname on June 13, 2017, 10:09:42 AM
I'd never heard Jeff Scott Soto or John Arch sing before the last few posts so I checked out both. I have to say it was pure aural bliss when I turned off Arch's singing. Soto sounds better.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: EVILPROGBOY on June 13, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something.



Whatever you think of Portnoy he is the greatest rock/metal drummer ever IMO. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 10:24:28 AM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something.



Whatever you think of Portnoy he is the greatest rock/metal drummer ever IMO.

Stadler?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 10:34:34 AM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something.



Whatever you think of Portnoy he is the greatest rock/metal drummer ever IMO.

Stadler?

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on June 13, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
Haha no. But good guess.  :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
Haha no. But good guess.  :)

Just kidding bud!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 13, 2017, 12:12:45 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!

I know this is waaay off topic, but are TWD still active? At first, Portnoy always mentioned it was going yo be his main thing, and now they seem to have disappeared. I'm not a fan of the band, so I haven't been following them too much, but I'm curious to know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 12:33:01 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!

I know this is waaay off topic, but are TWD still active? At first, Portnoy always mentioned it was going yo be his main thing, and now they seem to have disappeared. I'm not a fan of the band, so I haven't been following them too much, but I'm curious to know.

I think they are still active, just in between cycles right now. Billy is doing Mr. Big stuff, MP is doing a million things and Richie is probably doing solo stuff.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 13, 2017, 12:47:51 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!

I know this is waaay off topic, but are TWD still active? At first, Portnoy always mentioned it was going yo be his main thing, and now they seem to have disappeared. I'm not a fan of the band, so I haven't been following them too much, but I'm curious to know.

I think they are still active, just in between cycles right now. Billy is doing Mr. Big stuff, MP is doing a million things and Richie is probably doing solo stuff.

^Yeah, that's basically what MP said.  They aren't inactive.  Just not doing anything together at the present because each of the members is busy doing something else.  Can't be bothered to find the exact quote, but that's the gist of it as I recall.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 13, 2017, 01:00:15 PM
"We aren't inactive, we just aren't actively doing anything."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 13, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
This is the downside of keeping it a big secret for such a long time. The fans will start speculating, and it's very unlikely that the eventual reality will be as good as our fantasies.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.

I'd agree with this. I think Jeff has a great hard rock/metal voice, but none of his tunes have ever really grabbed me unless Marky Mark was lip syncing them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2017, 02:31:21 PM
I was thinking about this, and when MP teases an unknown band member, he has to know that he is just baiting the fans to investigate. The "fan experience" today is a lot different then when MP was a kid. He has to learn this.

What he should do is embrace it, and award a free Meet & Greet (or whatever) to the first guy on his forum to figure it out. I think that would be a lot cooler way of handling it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 02:32:38 PM
I was thinking about this, and when MP teases an unknown band member, he has to know that he is just baiting the fans to investigate. The "fan experience" today is a lot different then when MP was a kid. He has to learn this.

What he should do is embrace it, and award a free Meet & Greet (or whatever) to the first guy on his forum to figure it out. I think that would be a lot cooler way of handling it.

Reported.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 05:05:27 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.

I'd agree with this. I think Jeff has a great hard rock/metal voice, but none of his tunes have ever really grabbed me unless Marky Mark was lip syncing them.

I agree, but, hopefully, he won't be one of the main composers of the music, probably just the vocal lines and the lyrics.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on June 13, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
I was thinking about this, and when MP teases an unknown band member, he has to know that he is just baiting the fans to investigate. The "fan experience" today is a lot different then when MP was a kid. He has to learn this.

What he should do is embrace it, and award a free Meet & Greet (or whatever) to the first guy on his forum to figure it out. I think that would be a lot cooler way of handling it.

Reported.

:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ronnibran on June 13, 2017, 06:13:10 PM
I just went on youtube to look up this Jeff guy....  "If" he is the singer (and I realize it's a big "if"), it just isn't screaming "prog metal supergroup" so far.  If Bumblefoot is in also, it just seems more like a washed up hard rock band musicians thing. 

Who's going to be writing the  prog epics???!!!  That to me is the important piece of the equation.

edit: not that he's a bad singer, I just am not getting a prog metal supergroup vibe.  I'm not assuming yet at this point we know whos in the band, I am purely commenting on the latest rumors.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.

I'd agree with this. I think Jeff has a great hard rock/metal voice, but none of his tunes have ever really grabbed me unless Marky Mark was lip syncing them.

ok, I didn't realize he was one of the voices behind Marky Mark.  But I actually got a bit excited because I have a guilty pleasure for the song We All Die Young from the terrible film Rock Star.  Then I realized he wasn't the dude in Steelheart but rather the voice of the worst most annoying song from that soundtrack called Stand Up and Shout (not the Dio version unfortunately). 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVBNK6mXQKc

So even though the dude unquestionably has a great voice, I have an extreme bias against him for this song alone.  It also doesn't help that my town's minor league hockey team plays this about 32 times every game.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

I believe so.  I mean, it shouldn't be discounted if it is Soto.  Afterall, LaBrie was in a glam band called Winter Rose before DT and Charlie Dominici was in Frankie & the Knockouts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

I believe so.  I mean, it shouldn't be discounted if it is Soto.  Afterall, LaBrie was in a glam band called Winter Rose before DT and Charlie Dominici was in Frankie & the Knockouts.

If he did, then cool. If not, it would suck if everyone built this up as a huge return to intense prog metal when it just ends up being fun glam rock or something.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 06:54:51 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

I believe so.  I mean, it shouldn't be discounted if it is Soto.  Afterall, LaBrie was in a glam band called Winter Rose before DT and Charlie Dominici was in Frankie & the Knockouts.

If he did, then cool. If not, it would suck if everyone built this up as a huge return to intense prog metal when it just ends up being fun glam rock or something.

Well, I don't think he has checked off glam rock from his master list so maybe John Arch turned him down and he went with plan B ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on June 13, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
For a 51 year old dude, I felt that Stand Up And Shout rendition was *very* respectable.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
For a 51 year old dude, I felt that Stand Up And Shout rendition was *very* respectable.

Not disputing his skill at all.  I just hate the song.  Don't particularly care for *how* he sings that song but I think that has more to do with the song just being terrible rather than how he chose to emote.  Definitely willing to give him a chance. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 13, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

It's in MP Facebook on 03/01/17:

Hmmmm....what have we here??
I'm in LA recording an album with something NEW...
Sorry, this is all you're gonna get outta me on this for a while...More will be revealed at a later date...stay tuned!
#ProgMetalSupergroup Coming soon... 😎
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 08:49:30 PM
Poor guy backed himself into a corner.

Sadly DS is way more technically complex than MP is. So either they do prog light, generic prog, or not super prog and fans get pissed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 13, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
We don't need Sherlock Holmes to figure this out guys.

Quote
It's in MP Facebook on 03/01/17:

Hmmmm....what have we here??
I'm in LA recording an album with something NEW...
Sorry, this is all you're gonna get outta me on this for a while...More will be revealed at a later date...stay tuned!
#ProgMetalSupergroup Coming soon... 😎

(http://www.oocities.org/dream_theater_tod/dtkmpic.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 13, 2017, 11:02:02 PM
if John Arch happened to be the singer, the potential for this project goes up a lot for me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 14, 2017, 12:39:13 AM
Was soo exited when MP announced he was working on a new Prog Metal supergroup.
Now I think it was just trying to hype with what his fans wants to hear.
I would think that Prog Metal supergroup would be consisting of well known artists from within the Prog Metal scene....

If it is Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott Soto then to my eyes it would be only half of a prog metal supergroup.

Would much rather see Arch as the singer..  would give it more credibility in my eyes
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ErHaO on June 14, 2017, 07:37:25 AM
Was soo exited when MP announced he was working on a new Prog Metal supergroup.
Now I think it was just trying to hype with what his fans wants to hear.
I would think that Prog Metal supergroup would be consisting of well known artists from within the Prog Metal scene....

If it is Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott Soto then to my eyes it would be only half of a prog metal supergroup.

Would much rather see Arch as the singer..  would give it more credibility in my eyes

Depends on how you interpret the term. They are a supergroup that plays prog metal, so prog metal supergroup is an apt description in my view. For example, The Night Flight Orchestra is called a classic (prog)rock supergroup, but it's members are from relatively modern metal bands (notably Arch Enemy and Soilwork).

Anyways, if they are good musicians capable of playing the genre, I don't care what their genre was or how people label them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 14, 2017, 08:32:28 AM
I think this (rumored) lineup has the potential to make great prog metal music, it could be a good surprise for most of us. However, Portnoy's "hype the crap out of it" strategy doesn't always end up working well, so we'll have to wait and see. Also, we have absolutely no clues on who might be the bassist. I really hope it's not Billy Sheehan again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
Keep in mind this "rumored" lineup that includes JSS is based on a loose theory right now. Not saying people didn't hit the nail on the head, but I don't think we can say with any degree of certainty that a few twitter follows is a solid indication. I just think JSS is now more likely than random guess X.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 14, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
I'd like to clarify something. When I posted about JSS being my guess, that's all it was. Rumors start in wild ways, and that's part of what communities are like this are for -- speculation. But in case this rumor was "started" by me, honest to goodness, I was just trying to think of who lives in LA that makes sense.

If I'm one of a bunch of guys to suggest JSS, then cool, but if this is all stemming from my comment, I apologize. I was just doing normal message board speculation. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 14, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
Was soo exited when MP announced he was working on a new Prog Metal supergroup.
Now I think it was just trying to hype with what his fans wants to hear.
I would think that Prog Metal supergroup would be consisting of well known artists from within the Prog Metal scene....

If it is Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott Soto then to my eyes it would be only half of a prog metal supergroup.

Would much rather see Arch as the singer..  would give it more credibility in my eyes
Depends on how you interpret the term. They are a supergroup that plays prog metal, so prog metal supergroup is an apt description in my view.
Exactly what I was thinking when I read Swedish Goose's post.

But please, please, please, no John Arch. That guy's vocals are like nails on a chalkboard and then some! However, due to JA's lack of interest in touring, I don't see him being the vocalist. My only other fear is that whoever MP has chosen also will include cookie-monster vocals which I absolutely abhor. Could completely ruin what would otherwise be the most exciting thing he's done since leaving DT.
 
 
I really hope it's not Billy Sheehan again.
Given that Billy's completely in deep with Mr. Big right now, I highly doubt he's involved with this project. I haven't a clue as to who the bassist could be, but one that comes to mind that (I believe) isn't doing much right now is Jason Newsted. IIRC, MP's expressed interest in working with him in the past, so he's a possibility, even if he doesn't have a "prog" background.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
  I haven't a clue as to who the bassist could be, but one that comes to mind that (I believe) isn't doing much right now is Jason Newsted. IIRC, MP's expressed interest in working with him in the past, so he's a possibility, even if he doesn't have a "prog" background.

That'd be cool.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 15, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
MP just posted this blurb in a response to one of his posts on FB (taken from his latest Rhythm magazine cover story):
Quote
I have a new band I'll be announcing in the summer. It is premature to give away too much information about that now but I can say that it also involves Derek Sherinian who I worked with in Dream Theater. It is the two of us with an all-star line-up. It is myself and Derek getting back together and picking up where we left off. It's music that is probably closest to Dream Theater out of everything that I have done over the last six years. I have purposefully stayed away from the prog-metal genre because I wanted to spread my wings. But I would say that doing these Shattered Fortress shows has kind of reignited a little interest in revisiting that world from me. Derek and I have formed this new band that will satisfy myself and quench the fans' thirst for something in that vein.

Incidentally, it's interesting to note that the main post that this blurb was posted within was about how he had a busy week working on both this and the next Metal Allegiance album, and one of the people who posted a response was JSS. That could just be coincidence - at this point I wouldn't read too much into it. Oh and JSS' response was just simply "The man who never sleeps"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 15, 2017, 12:22:01 AM
2018: Mike Portnoy covers SFAM live, world tour  :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on June 15, 2017, 07:33:33 AM
2018: Mike Portnoy covers SFAM live, world tour  :corn

I highly doubt that.

Though he could always do that as a 'cash grab', but I don't think he needs do, nor does he want to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2017, 07:40:01 AM
If at all, it would be 2019, the 20th anniversary  ;D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on June 15, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
So are we all just assuming that Bumblefoot is the guitarist? I for one am hoping that isn't the case. I for one am hoping it's Eric Gillette.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 15, 2017, 10:15:42 AM
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!

I assume MP meant the last time they did something together, which was PSMS...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2017, 10:45:48 AM
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!

 :lol Yeah, pretty much that. If you watch the Score documentary, it's Mike himself who says something like "Derek is great, but he had to go in order for us to grow, he wasn't the best fit for DT." (I'm paraphrasing here, there were not his exact words).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 15, 2017, 11:01:44 AM
Derek and MP have played together in WDADR, formed PSMS and toured together...nothing wrong with reconciling with a former colleague.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 15, 2017, 03:36:40 PM
So are we all just assuming that Bumblefoot is the guitarist? I for one am hoping that isn't the case. I for one am hoping it's Eric Gillette.
Well, judging by the video screen capture that someone made before it was removed, the evidence speaks for itself until otherwise proven wrong. So I think it's safe to assume :biggrin: that most are assuming Bumblefoot is the guitarist.
 
 
I assume MP meant the last time they did something together, which was PSMS...
Being that PSMS never created any original material, I'm gonna guess that is not what he meant. He probably meant where they left off post-FII. Derek was well aware of the plans to convert Metropolis part II into a full-blown album, and so was in that mindset when he was let go.
 
 
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!
:lol Yeah, pretty much that. If you watch the Score documentary, it's Mike himself who says something like "Derek is great, but he had to go in order for us to grow, he wasn't the best fit for DT." (I'm paraphrasing here, there were not his exact words).
Ha! Well, MP has never shied away from say that Derek wasn't the best fit for DT - even after MP himself left DT, he has still said the same thing. But given the parameters that DT wanted to work within, that's their choice. I don't necessarily agree, as I really love what Derek brought to the table (aside from his overuse of the Hammond organ patch), but when you compare the 3 keyboardists of DT, there's more of a difference stylistically between him and the other two, than if you were to compare Kev and JR. Kev and JR were both influenced by other keyboardists; Derek, OTOH was probably as influenced by a variety of guitarists as he was keyboardists.

That said, I am really looking forward to see what they put together now that they can develop their own band/sound from the ground up without having to follow what came before.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Maybe not too much people here remember this, but IIRC, Derek was the othrer guy behind PN at sea 2014, so him and MP have already worked on quite a few things the last couple of years.
Also, even though I can't stand MP anymore (as a person), I think this is his most promising/interesting post-DT album/band, and including Derek makes it better, so I'm reaaly looking forward to this thing being fully announced properly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2017, 04:02:11 PM
I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that Mike Portnoy saying "Derek wasn't the best fit for DT at the time" is the same as saying "I, MP, wanted him gone and made it happen, whether the others wanted it or not".  Derek IS a second guitar player on stage, moreso than Kevin and Jordan, and perhaps John and Mike had a different vision.  Doesn't mean he's bad or not capable.   And now that he's forming a new band, maybe DEREK will be "John" and the focus will be a guitar player that can play with HIM and not the other way around. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on June 15, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
Derek wasn't a good fit for where DT was headed at the time. That doesn't mean he's a bad keyboardist or not worth MP's time. Picking up where they left off with FII makes sense because they did have some cool ideas on FII and since MP is also out of DT now it's an interesting concept to see what else the two have to offer as collaborators.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2017, 07:15:04 PM
I think it's fair to say that Derek came out of DT a changed musician. Good for him. He handled the whole DT thing with grace.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 15, 2017, 07:18:06 PM
I think it's fair to say that Derek came out of DT a changed musician. Good for him. He handled the whole DT thing with grace.

Indeed!!!! His solo stuff is way more complex than anything he did in ACOS and FII.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2017, 07:21:25 PM
I think it's fair to say that Derek came out of DT a changed musician. Good for him. He handled the whole DT thing with grace.

Indeed. He had to learn most of IAW and Awake in 2 weeks, before the Awake tour started. That's no easy task  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 16, 2017, 08:29:03 AM
I see that jSS is recording a SOTO record in Los Angeles right now. So I think the guess on him is likely incorrect.

In regard to Derek, that man has never gotten proper credit, and he was shafted by DT. To be honest, while I think Jordan is a superior technical player, I enjoy listening to Derek's work more. More soul in his playing, more Jon Lord influence.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 16, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
I see that jSS is recording a SOTO record in Los Angeles right now. So I think the guess on him is likely incorrect.

In regard to Derek, that man has never gotten proper credit, and he was shafted by DT. To be honest, while I think Jordan is a superior technical player, I enjoy listening to Derek's work more. More soul in his playing, more Jon Lord influence.

B3 Hammond on everything  ;D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/show_interview.php?id=1221
Maybe the bassist is Sheehan after all...

Lee: You guys really sound in the pocket on the new stuff. Did you record in the same room, or was this a file-trading process?

Sheehan: We were in the same room for six days and did all the basics. We spent more time of in the mix and some lead vocals.

The lion’s share, 90 percent, was done in six days in Ocean Studio in Burbank. I had just done another record a week prior and did Mr. Big there without even moving my gear. Paul and I were in a separate control booth, both Matt [Starr, pitching in on drums for the current tour] and Pat were in there doing drums.

Lee: What was that other project you mentioned, the unnamed one?

Billy: It was another project, which is yet unnamed [this writer suspects the project could be Mike Portnoy’s prog-metal band with Derek Sherinian]. So in the week prior, I got used to the neighborhood and all the nearby restaurants.

We had no time for that with Mr. Big. We had to hustle to get it done in six days. We were doing two or three songs a day. We needed one more some toward the end. We wanted to get at least 11 songs on the record and we managed to hit that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on June 28, 2017, 08:03:11 PM
That'a s shame if it's true. I can't stand Sheehan's playing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 28, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
I like the way Portnoy, Sheehan and Derek sounded on the PSMS live album, so I'd love it if it was him on bass after all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on June 28, 2017, 09:17:35 PM
Ocean Studios is the studio where MP, Derek, and Bumblefoot were at.
I wouldn't be surprised if Billy's the bassist, but I'd be very disappointed. As a bassist, I'm not a fan of Sheehan and the way he overplays everything.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 28, 2017, 09:29:19 PM
Ocean Studios is the studio where MP, Derek, and Bumblefoot were at.

ALLEGEDLY.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2017, 10:13:12 PM
That'a s shame if it's true. I can't stand Sheehan's playing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Billy's the bassist, but I'd be very disappointed. As a bassist, I'm not a fan of Sheehan and the way he overplays everything.

Agree with both posts I quoted. I'm also a bassist and, while I respect Billy for having such a unique style and for making a career of his own and not trying to copy anyone else, I just can't stand him as a bassist. He, indeed, overplays everything and his tone sucks (imo). My excitement for this project has decreased drastically after reading this  :sad:

I think he is the perfect fit for TWD, but why does Mike have to include him in whatever new project he comes up with?  :'(
I really hope this is not the case, but, judging by the pics on the web page of the studio he mentioned, it seems this is true.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 29, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
Not sure if I want Billy in there, but seriously, we talk about a PROG-metal group and you worry about overplaying?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: noxon on June 29, 2017, 02:19:48 AM
I've heard rumors independently (and much earlier than this thread) of JSS being in this. I've also heard a name for a bassist that isn't Sheehan - but also not that terribly known (not gonna say who because it would come back and bite me). But this is just rumors from someone i know who knows someone who knows someone. Portnoy himself was mum on the subject when i last spoke to him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 29, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
I've heard rumors independently (and much earlier than this thread) of JSS being in this. I've also heard a name for a bassist that isn't Sheehan - but also not that terribly known (not gonna say who because it would come back and bite me). But this is just rumors from someone i know who knows someone who knows someone. Portnoy himself was mum on the subject when i last spoke to him.

I hope this is true! I would prefer someone who's probably not that famous over Billy anytime. However, with MP calling it an "all star supergroup" the chances of it being Billy are higher, I think.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 29, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
After hearing the Haken dude do Shattered Fortress, I honestly wish he was the guy. But if it does end up being JSS, it'll be cool. As long as everyone is committed. I don't want to see this as a prog metal version of Metal Allegiance. I was hoping for this to be a committed BAND. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2017, 09:32:44 AM
I don't like the Haken singer's voice.  He does sound good on those live clips.  But in general, his voice grates on me.  But whoever it ends up being, I don't want to judge before I've actually heard the music, so I'll withhold forming any opinions.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on June 29, 2017, 09:48:58 AM
Ross has improved as time goes on, but I don't think it should be him because he's already committed to Haken. I'd prefer MP go with more of a songwriter/multi-instrumentalist type, like he wanted to when JLB was almost sacked during the Six Degrees tour. Somebody like Morse or Casey McPherson - but not those guys in particular, because I'd prefer something fresh.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 29, 2017, 09:54:23 AM
Haken are a well stablished band and Richard Henshall (Haken guitarist and main songwriter) said they plan to release an album next year, so I don think Ross will be involved.


Here's something a bit off-topic, but related since it's DT and Derek Sherinian: found an isolated keyboard version of Lines in the Sand  :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTtHJp62kwo
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2017, 08:29:53 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.

Now people are going to start looking for clues on who might be the singer, something will probably get leaked and Mike will go nuts on social media again...

IT'S THE CIRCLE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT MOVES US ALLLLLLLLL.

Not being on social media that may explain why I'm stuck in a ditch....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2017, 08:40:59 PM
Very excited for this one, more so than any other post DT band because it puts him back in his core element. Everything hinges on who
the vocalist is. I know I will love MP and DS on this as I always do. If it turns out to be a really kick ass singer it could be amazing.

Never seen something like this as his core element. He may have started out that way and he may have an itch to scratch, but I think his work is so much more than that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 03, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
i'd actually like it if it was JSS on vocals and Billy on bass i reckon it would be a good mix. Just hoping its not Bumblefoot for guitar
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 03, 2017, 12:50:31 PM
If i had a Dream pic i'd had Devin Townsend as the vocalist and rhythm Guitarist but that'll never happen. I'd still love to have Eric Gillette as the guitarist and back up vocalist 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Sycsa on July 03, 2017, 01:07:02 PM
I love Billy Sheehan. What he did with Niacin is some of my favorite bass playing ever.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 03, 2017, 01:07:34 PM
Sorry not interested to look back to this discussion so who is JSS?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on July 03, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
Sorry not interested to look back to this discussion so who is JSS?

Jeff Scott Soto
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 03, 2017, 01:16:12 PM
Sorry not interested to look back to this discussion so who is JSS?

Jeff Scott Soto

Thanks, have to look up this guy!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 03, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
I love Billy Sheehan. What he did with Niacin is some of my favorite bass playing ever.

Me too. I accept that some people don't like his tone, but really can't understand why. I pretty much love anything he did since Talas!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2017, 01:21:43 PM
I personally don't want Billy, only because I wan't something different. Dude already did two projects with MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on July 03, 2017, 06:22:52 PM
If i had a Dream pic i'd had Devin Townsend as the vocalist and rhythm Guitarist but that'll never happen. I'd still love to have Eric Gillette as the guitarist and back up vocalist

Dev's lead playing is much better than his rhythm playing imo, it's usually been pretty predictable chugging on the last few albums. The arpeggio melodies and tapping he does are incredible.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 03, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
I am still crossing my fingers for Ted Leonard
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on July 03, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
I don't think I'd mind Billy playing. I'm not a huge fan of bumblefoot. He is a monster on guitar no doubt about it but his style and tone have never been my thing. Who knows what this will sound like though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Lowdz on July 04, 2017, 06:53:03 AM
I personally don't want Billy, only because I wan't something different. Dude already did two projects with MP.

He tends to confuse a mix for me, because he's all over the neck all the time. Awesome player but he's better in a stripped down setting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on July 04, 2017, 06:54:52 AM
I personally don't want Billy, only because I wan't something different. Dude already did two projects with MP.

Completely agree with you Adami.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on July 04, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
If Sheehan is on bass, that will indeed massively dampen my excitement for the project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 04, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
I have a feeling MP wont go with Billy Sheenan anyway just to make this project different from the others. Like others have said MP and billy have already done enough projects together
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 05, 2017, 11:49:28 AM
I agree it probably won't be Billy Sheehan. And I am with those who would rather MP go elsewhere. I think Billy is amazing, and one of the best. But I'm ready for a different bass player.

Really hoping we get some solid details on this project soon.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 05, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Next month. Somebody here, who talked to MP recently, said on the shattered tour thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: the keyboard wizard on July 05, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 05, 2017, 12:45:50 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: goo-goo on July 05, 2017, 01:07:54 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!

They could still add a 2nd touring guitar player, like Fates Warning does with Mike Abdow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 05, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!

They could still add a 2nd touring guitar player, like Fates Warning does with Mike Abdow.

They could, but Fates' situation is a little different. Frank has a full time job, which is why Mike does the touring. And because Frank can't commit (I saw his most recent performance with the band in Dec. 2013 -- he lives in the Bay Area), FW just considers themselves a four-piece. But I don't think it's by design, just by necessity.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: the keyboard wizard on July 06, 2017, 01:17:59 AM
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!
One singer, one guitar player and one bass player are yet to be announced. For the record, he didn't confirm to me, he confirmed it to a friend of mine who got the chance to get an aftershow pass (he is the former President of the French fan club and knows Mike well).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 01:26:07 PM
Mike just teased an announcement for 1st of August. Full lineup?  :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 24, 2017, 01:27:25 PM
Mike just teased an announcement for 1st of August. Full lineup?  :corn

Cool. Hope so. I've got my hopes up for this. I hope I'm not crushed. While I guessed JSS a while ago, I really hope it isn't him, honestly. But if it is, we'll see how it goes. I also don't want Bumblefoot either.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
Mike just teased an announcement for 1st of August. Full lineup?  :corn

He's announcing another facebook rant  ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on July 24, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
Mike just teased an announcement for 1st of August. Full lineup?  :corn

An announcement about an upcoming announcement?  I love those! :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 24, 2017, 01:47:17 PM
Mike just teased an announcement for 1st of August. Full lineup?  :corn

An announcement about an upcoming announcement?  I love those! :)

He needs to up his game.... DT are much better at that 😉
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 24, 2017, 01:49:28 PM
If JSS would be a singer I would be in heaven :) Sheehan... I love him for his personality and talent but I think that I didn'nt want to see him in THAT supergroup. He did two other projects with MP and I think that's cool, but enough. I'm not following now so much MP Facebook, does something or someone was confirmed? Or there are only announcements anout announcements? ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 02:36:10 PM
Only Derek is officially confirmed for sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 24, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
Only Derek is officially confirmed for sure.
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Good enough :)]
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on July 24, 2017, 03:49:28 PM
I was looking back at when Sherinian was fired from DT. What a class act.

“I am very proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last four years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, Mike, James, and John. Jordan Rudess is a friend of mine and a great talent. I wish all of them the very best!”
– Derek Sherinian

 Imagine MP doing that. His respect from people would go through the roof, including me.

“I am very proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last twenty or so years years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, Jordan, James, and John. Mike Mangini is a friend of mine and a great talent. I wish all of them the very best!”
– Mike Portnoy

 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on July 24, 2017, 04:23:25 PM
It's weird to expect a guy who yells "eat my ass and balls" on stage and thinks it's funny to act classy. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2017, 05:50:26 PM
Yeah, for all of his positive attributes, and despite the nonsense he spews sometimes, he does have them, being classy is not one of them.  But hey, he's from New York, so what do you expect...? :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 24, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
If JSS would be a singer I would be in heaven :) Sheehan... I love him for his personality and talent but I think that I didn'nt want to see him in THAT supergroup. He did two other projects with MP and I think that's cool, but enough. I'm not following now so much MP Facebook, does something or someone was confirmed? Or there are only announcements anout announcements? ;)
https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/1819126181438349:0
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 24, 2017, 06:06:53 PM
Normally when MP says soon, he really means it 👍
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on July 26, 2017, 10:11:23 AM
I was looking back at when Sherinian was fired from DT. What a class act.

“I am very proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last four years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, Mike, James, and John. Jordan Rudess is a friend of mine and a great talent. I wish all of them the very best!”
– Derek Sherinian

 Imagine MP doing that. His respect from people would go through the roof, including me.

“I am very proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last twenty or so years years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, Jordan, James, and John. Mike Mangini is a friend of mine and a great talent. I wish all of them the very best!”
– Mike Portnoy

Never mind, it looks like I was mistaken.

Derek Sherinian Retweeted
 BD Wallace‏ @BDUBWALLACE  Jul 25
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Replying to @SonnyAngell @DerekSherinian @nordkeyboards
I loved everything you did with DT and beyond! I love crazy musicianship but JR can grate on my brain after awhile
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 26, 2017, 04:44:22 PM
I was looking back at when Sherinian was fired from DT. What a class act.

“I am very proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last four years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, Mike, James, and John. Jordan Rudess is a friend of mine and a great talent. I wish all of them the very best!”
– Derek Sherinian

 Imagine MP doing that. His respect from people would go through the roof, including me.

“I am very proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last twenty or so years years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, Jordan, James, and John. Mike Mangini is a friend of mine and a great talent. I wish all of them the very best!”
– Mike Portnoy

Never mind, it looks like I was mistaken.

Derek Sherinian Retweeted
 BD Wallace‏ @BDUBWALLACE  Jul 25
More
Replying to @SonnyAngell @DerekSherinian @nordkeyboards
I loved everything you did with DT and beyond! I love crazy musicianship but JR can grate on my brain after awhile
That's kind of a bummer that he retweeted that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on July 26, 2017, 07:32:55 PM
Derek spends a lot of time with MP. No wonder he picked up some of his mannerisms.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 26, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on July 26, 2017, 07:51:24 PM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...

It's DTF we love drama and bs.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zook on July 27, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...

Shouldn't he know that people might see it as him agreeing with everything? It's like when Portnoy retweets things like, "Mike Portnoy is best them, please come back to DT, but get a new singer, LaBrie sucks!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ariich on July 27, 2017, 05:01:12 AM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...
I agree, though MP gets a lot of aggro for the same thing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 27, 2017, 05:41:41 AM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...
I agree, though MP gets a lot of aggro for the same thing.

MP goes further than just retweeting though.... ex when asked if he hates canadians his answer was "only one"

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on July 27, 2017, 07:02:30 AM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...

I disagree. Imagine if on this board some posted "Great point bill1971, your posts are so much better than samsara's tiresome posts" and I quoted the message and put an up arrow and said "yes I agree"

I would think you would take it as I'm agreeing with the negative comment towards you.

By the way I don't think you have tiresome posts. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on July 27, 2017, 07:09:41 AM
The obvious response would be, "Thank you for your compliment." Or, "Thank you, but JR does a great job."

A simple retweet is a direct approval of the tweet, and all that is included.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on July 27, 2017, 07:12:31 AM
A simple retweet is a direct approval of the tweet, and all that is included.

I agree.  I also agree that JR can be grating at times.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on July 27, 2017, 07:38:59 AM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...

I disagree. Imagine if on this board some posted "Great point bill1971, your posts are so much better than samsara's tiresome posts" and I quoted the message and put an up arrow and said "yes I agree"

I misread "threesome posts"  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 27, 2017, 07:55:03 AM
 :rollin

Ok, so in DT-speak, I am off base.  :lol

Honestly though, I didn't take that RT as approval of the whole tweet. People get lazy on social media.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on July 27, 2017, 08:06:48 AM
Well, strictly speaking, a retweet without any explanation does on its face mean, "I agree."  And, by extension, if there isn't any explanation carving out any part of it that isn't agreed with, that means agreement with the whole thing.  But, yeah, "People get lazy on social media," as in regular speech.  So I think you are still correct that we shouldn't necessarily assume something negative, especially if there isn't a pattern as there is with certain other people that are the topic of discussion in this thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nobloodyname on July 27, 2017, 08:18:39 AM
Oh, what drama.

 ::)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 27, 2017, 08:34:11 AM
Well, strictly speaking, a retweet without any explanation does on its face mean, "I agree."  And, by extension, if there isn't any explanation carving out any part of it that isn't agreed with, that means agreement with the whole thing.  But, yeah, "People get lazy on social media," as in regular speech.  So I think you are still correct that we shouldn't necessarily assume something negative, especially if there isn't a pattern as there is with certain other people that are the topic of discussion in this thread.

Yeah that's pretty much my thought as well. A retweet to me without anything else is full agreement of the original tweet. But like you said, there is no pattern of this with DS, in fact he's been really great with addressing his time in DT publicly since he was fired.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on July 27, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Well, strictly speaking, a retweet without any explanation does on its face mean, "I agree."  And, by extension, if there isn't any explanation carving out any part of it that isn't agreed with, that means agreement with the whole thing.  But, yeah, "People get lazy on social media," as in regular speech.  So I think you are still correct that we shouldn't necessarily assume something negative, especially if there isn't a pattern as there is with certain other people that are the topic of discussion in this thread.

Yeah that's pretty much my thought as well. A retweet to me without anything else is full agreement of the original tweet. But like you said, there is no pattern of this with DS, in fact he's been really great with addressing his time in DT publicly since he was fired.

Yes, I agree. DS has been very cool. Probably just a one off moment.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 27, 2017, 05:47:10 PM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...
I agree, though MP gets a lot of aggro for the same thing.

MP goes further than just retweeting though.... ex when asked if he hates canadians his answer was "only one"

Maybe he refers to Justin Bieber
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 27, 2017, 06:16:01 PM
A retweet doesnt mean someone agrees with everything states. He could just be RT because of the compliment he was given in it.

Jumping to dramatic conclusions leads to drama and bs...
I agree, though MP gets a lot of aggro for the same thing.

MP goes further than just retweeting though.... ex when asked if he hates canadians his answer was "only one"

Maybe he refers to Justin Bieber

I mean Chad Kroeger from Nickelback gets plenty of hate.  It could easily be him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nobloodyname on July 28, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
Interesting to hear MP confirm it's a five piece. Can't recall hearing that before.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 30, 2017, 05:33:31 AM
A little bit of info here

https://youtu.be/wLxqNFXKQtI
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 30, 2017, 10:54:29 PM
Quite interesting interview (I didn't know that They are playing other DT songs like The Mirror live with The Shattered Fortress), Well If I could predict who would be that three members - I say - one Haken member (guitar/bass), vocal JSS, bassist... Conner form Haken, Sheehan, LaRue... the bassist it's the most hard mamber to figure out for me to be honest ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 31, 2017, 02:09:22 PM
From MP Facebook, news tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 31, 2017, 05:32:08 PM
From MP Facebook, news tomorrow.

:soon:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on July 31, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
I will be VERY disappointed if Billy Sheehan is the bassist for this band  :-\
Excited about the MP/DS collab again, though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Polarbear on August 01, 2017, 03:38:13 AM
I'll be very happy if Sheehan is the bass player in this project! Guy is a force of nature with his instrument, and he elevates every project he is a part of..

Haven't followed news about this very closely, but I'm excited! It'll be interesting to see MP back in the world of Prog Metal.

It's also great to see him play with Derek again! I love his contributions in DT discography!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cfmoran13 on August 01, 2017, 06:30:53 AM
If this project has any hope of touring anytime soon, I don't see it being Sheehan.  He and Mr. Big should be out on the road touring their new album any day now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: the keyboard wizard on August 01, 2017, 06:56:41 AM
Mike confirmed that the band will be touring in 2018.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Lynxo on August 01, 2017, 07:43:43 AM
The one thing I'm hoping for is a good singer (well, good songs too off course...). I know for example a lot of prog fans like Haken but their singer kind of ruins it for me, don't much care for him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 07:47:10 AM
Introducing SONS OF APOLLO!
For the past few months, rumours have been circulating about a new secret project including former Dream Theater members Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian. Now, the time has come to make the grand and highly anticipated introduction to their new band, SONS OF APOLLO.
Reuniting to form SONS OF APOLLO, Portnoy and Sherinian have joined forces with Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal (ex-Guns N’ Roses), Billy Sheehan (The Winery Dogs, Mr. Big, David Lee Roth) and Jeff Scott Soto (ex-Journey, ex-Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force).
Their debut album, PSYCHOTIC SYMPHONY, will be released 20th October on InsideOutMusic/Sony Music. An album teaser can be seen on InsideOutMusic’s YouTube page here: https://youtu.be/kPN2DttzlZQ

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on August 01, 2017, 07:48:46 AM
Wow, looks like the fans were right.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:51:42 AM
In general, I'm not a big fan of Sheehan or Bumblefoot, likely because of Eddie Trunk's worship of them on That Metal Show. 

But that album teaser sounds really cool.  JSS is a beast and it's nice to see him with Portnoy doing some progressive metal.  Very interested in this project!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mladen on August 01, 2017, 07:55:24 AM
I'll definitely give this album a listen.  :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2017, 07:58:17 AM
For me, this project hinged on the vocalist.

But being that it's JSS, I'll be all over this!
I am not at all familiar with Thal.


EDIT: The teaser sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 07:58:49 AM
http://www.sonsofapollo.com/
https://twitter.com/SonsOfApollo1
https://www.facebook.com/SonsOfApollo1
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Lynxo on August 01, 2017, 08:02:40 AM
Wow, it sure sounds DT-influenced. I like it.  :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 01, 2017, 08:03:24 AM
Not the people I envisioned when Mike said Prog Metal supergroup but i will check it out.

The snippets don't hook me as I would have hoped.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on August 01, 2017, 08:03:49 AM
Meh
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 01, 2017, 08:04:24 AM
Love the name and can't wait to hear the album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: T-ski on August 01, 2017, 08:05:02 AM
Meh

my first reaction as well.  feel I've heard this all before.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on August 01, 2017, 08:11:28 AM
Wow, so I'm a bit surprised that there are no "surprises" in the lineup.  We called every one of them.  Nice job, Internet sleuths.  :lol  Well, these guys all have serious chops.  I guess now we wait and see whether the songs actually hold up.  Here's to high hopes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on August 01, 2017, 08:12:17 AM
The snippets don't hook me as I would have hoped.

Yeah, same here.  But then again, snippets out of context rarely do.  I need to hear whole songs.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: AngelBack on August 01, 2017, 08:13:31 AM
Wow, it sure sounds DT-influenced. I like it.  :tup


And you can HEAR the drums!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2017, 08:15:46 AM
The snippets don't hook me as I would have hoped.

Yeah, same here.  But then again, snippets out of context rarely do.  I need to hear whole songs.

The one at the very end was really nice.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on August 01, 2017, 08:22:04 AM
Can't say I heard much that grabbed me.  I love most of the band so will certainly follow.   Thal has chops but his writing has never impressed me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on August 01, 2017, 08:25:58 AM
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

"For me, it's time to come home and do what I've always done. I have been making Richie Kotzen records since I was 18; it's a source of survival, sanity, art, and everything you want to call it. I know the other guys have something very exciting in the works which people will love. It may fill a WINERY DOGS void."

Wow, so Richie Kotzen DID spill the beans months early about Sheehan being in the band.  So, in theory, we knew all of the band members except for the vocalist until today.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 01, 2017, 08:28:24 AM
Hilarious the whole band was not a surprise. Disappointed Billy is involved but his bass sound doesn't sound too annoying. Sounds decent overall. Probably won't travel to see them as I do for 85% of the shows I see but if they play anywhere near I may feel inclined to go.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on August 01, 2017, 08:35:44 AM
Meh
Pretty much.
Based on the teaser this is nothing for me. Can't stand the singer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on August 01, 2017, 08:38:55 AM
Well now, looks like I called that JSS thing from the very start.  :lol

Interesting sampler. I don't want to critique too much, because like those who have said it as well, I prefer to hear full songs. I will say I have a twinge of disappointment regarding Bumblefoot and Sheehan. Their talent is undeniable, but as a fan, I'm sorta sick of seeing Billy Sheehan all over the place, and Bumblefoot never really did it for me.

That all said, I'm excited to hear the record. Hopefully it is really good. I'll be pre-ordering for sure.

Is their Facebook page DOA already?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on August 01, 2017, 08:49:22 AM
I have a twinge of disappointment regarding Bumblefoot and Sheehan. Their talent is undeniable, but as a fan, I'm sorta sick of seeing Billy Sheehan all over the place, and Bumblefoot never really did it for me.

I can understand that.  Part of me feels the same way.  But the other side of the coin is, we have no idea really how they'll fit into a project like this.  Bumblefoot's stuff is pretty out there, and I don't really connect with it at all.  But when he was in G&R, he was planning a different type of music than he would right for his own solo projects, and I think he showed that he can play as part of a group, playing accessible music and playing it well.  We could look at lots of other guys in a similar vein as well.  There are lots of people who may not be able to get into a lot of the stuff that Vai does as a solo act.  But put him in David Lee Roth's band or Whitesnake, and he's great in that environment too. 

I know you know all that, so I'm not necessarily trying to persuade you of anything.  Just "talking to myself out loud," more or less, because I kind of feel the same way and have to rationalize to myself why I shouldn't.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Peace and Love on August 01, 2017, 08:49:43 AM
I think the clips sound really promising to the extent that I expect to enjoy the album. But with the presence of JSS and Sheehan, I am already quite sure that my enjoyment will not rise above a level to where I will be a die-hard fine like I am of DT, Cynic, Porcupine Tree, etc.

And that's fine. A pleasing addition to my rotation of prog metal CDs is good enough, it doesn't have to blow me away.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on August 01, 2017, 08:52:04 AM
Will have to wait to hear the album first. The clip was very generic. Definitely talented people but nothing I haven't heard before.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on August 01, 2017, 08:55:54 AM
That teaser didn't really grab me, but I'll check out the album I guess.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 08:59:01 AM
I guess I am feeling different than the rest with regards to this.  The clips sound like there's a lot of potential here.  The thing I worry about the most is the vocals.  I'm not sure yet if I really enjoy them, but I can't say I do or don't just from the teaser.  But I really like Billy on bass and although he's involved with a lot of MP stuff, I can't sit here and say I can't/won't enjoy this just because of that.  I like his sound and I think he could be really good on this.  I'm actually excited to hear more after this whereas my interest level was very low to start.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 01, 2017, 09:04:47 AM
I like it!!!

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ErHaO on August 01, 2017, 09:05:22 AM
Sounds like mid-career DT with a different vocalist, I am interested! But these samples are horribly paced, can't really make anything out of them the way they are cut, outside that the sound and musical direction appeals to me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 01, 2017, 09:09:21 AM
So Sheehan :) ok, I can deal with that ;) lot of Derek's keyboards in those clips which is fine. Sounds promising, very DTish, somewhere between SDOIT and ToT.  :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: MP
SONS OF APOLLO
FEATURING EX-MEMBERS OF DREAM THEATER, GUNS N’ ROSES AND JOURNEY
DEBUT ALBUM, ‘PSYCHOTIC SYMPHONY,’
DUE OUT OCTOBER 20 ON INSIDEOUTMUSIC/SONY MUSIC
APOLLO: The ancient Greek and Roman God of music and poetry.
SONS OF APOLLO: The new supergroup featuring members of Dream Theater, Mr. Big, Guns ‘N Roses, and Journey.
For the past few months, rumors have been circulating about a new secret project including former Dream Theater members Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian. Now, the time has come to make the grand and highly anticipated introduction to their new band, SONS OF APOLLO.
Reuniting to form SONS OF APOLLO, Portnoy and Sherinian have joined forces with Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal (ex-Guns N’ Roses), Billy Sheehan (The Winery Dogs, Mr. Big, David Lee Roth) and Jeff Scott Soto (ex-Journey, ex-Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force). Their debut album, PSYCHOTIC SYMPHONY, will be released October 20 on InsideOutMusic/Sony Music. An album teaser can be seen on InsideOutMusic’s official YouTube page here: https://youtu.be/kPN2DttzlZQ
PSYCHOTIC SYMPHONY was produced by the dynamic production duo of Portnoy and Sherinian, also affectionately known as “The Del Fuvio Brothers,” which is the nickname given to them over 20 years ago during their time together in Dream Theater.
SONS OF APOLLO got together very organically, as Portnoy explains: “Derek and I reunited shortly after I left Dream Theater in 2010 and we put together an all-instrumental touring band with he and I, Billy Sheehan, and Tony MacAlpine. That was my first time working with Derek since the ‘90s when he was in Dream Theater and it was just great to be working with him again. Ever since that tour, which was really just a one-off live thing, he has been nudging me to start a real, original, full-time band. The timing just had never been right, because I had too many other things on my plate. Long story short, the time was finally right to take the bait and put together a band.”
“Mike and I work at a relentless pace in the studio,” continues Sherinian. “The music is modern, but we have an old school soul. What is unique about SONS OF APOLLO is that we have true rock n’ roll swagger along with the virtuosity-- a lethal combination!”
But what to call the next great supergroup? “Derek was mainly the one behind the name,” says Portnoy. “I have a list that I keep on my phone of about a hundred different band names, which I constantly have to refer to every time I have a new band every year (laughs). So, I pulled up the list and Apollo was one of the names on the list. It was a word that both of us really liked. We started fiddling with different variations of the word. One of the original band names we were working with was Apollo Creed, the character from the ‘Rocky’ movies, but after lots of different discussions on different variations, Derek suggested SONS OF APOLLO and it seemed to stick. Apollo is the God of Music so with that in mind it seemed like a fitting name.”
Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian and Billy Sheehan previously toured together in 2012 and 2013 as PSMS (along with guitarist Tony MacAlpine), playing all instrumental versions from each of their previously recorded music. SONS OF APOLLO is the next logical progression by adding a vocalist and creating all-original material. The band incorporates the progressive style and individual technical prowess that Portnoy & Sherinian shared together in Dream Theater combined with the swagger and groove of Van Halen, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.
“I have known Mike and Derek for a long time, so when they came to me with Sons of Apollo, I jumped on this straight away,” says Thomas Waber, Label Manager/A&R International of InsideOutMusic. “However, the album they ended up recording exceeded my already high expectations by a long mile! We couldn’t be happier about it!”
SONS OF APOLLO will hit the road in 2018 for their first worldwide tour.
“This is a real band,” Portnoy declares. “This is going to pick up for me and Billy where The Winery Dogs left off, in terms of this being the next logical full-time thing for us. I’m not saying The Winery Dogs have broken up, because we haven’t, we’re just on a break. SONS OF APOLLO is absolutely going to be a full-time band and we plan on touring all over the world all throughout 2018 and, honestly, it is the priority for all five of us.”
Sherinian agrees, “We will go on a worldwide crusade in 2018 to bring SONS OF APOLLO to as many people as possible. Apollo was the God of Music, and we are his mighty offspring!”
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 01, 2017, 09:19:27 AM
I think Bumblefoot is actually the most exciting part of the project. I've heard some of his solo stuff which sounded more punk to me. I know he is versatile so I'm excited to see what he'll do with prog metal.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Polarbear on August 01, 2017, 09:19:43 AM
I'm optimistic! :tup

Sheehan onboard is a plus for me! Never heard of the vocalist, but he sounds great. Getting mid 2000-era DT, and some Iconoclast era SX vibes from what I heard.

Definitely a lot of potential here!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on August 01, 2017, 09:35:54 AM
I'm optimistic! :tup

Sheehan onboard is a plus for me! Never heard of the vocalist, but he sounds great. Getting mid 2000-era DT, and some Iconoclast era SX vibes from what I heard.

Definitely a lot of potential here!

You've never heard of Jeff Scott Soto? Go YouTube him. Trust me, you won't regret it. He's sung for Yngwie, Journey, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and a ton of other smaller bands.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 01, 2017, 09:39:50 AM
Wow and the album it's out also on 20th October, the same day as new Europe record  :biggrin: my wallet will be soooooo empty  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 01, 2017, 09:45:28 AM
Ok, we'll see where this goes. I had wished for another singer but in the end it's the overall package that has to deliver. And I'm curious how much of a regular band they will be, all of them have a large amount of other things going.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ariich on August 01, 2017, 09:47:17 AM
From the lineup alone I wouldn't be all that excited (and wasn't when literally EVERY ONE OF THEM had been deduced) but I'm never one to pre-judge and honestly those teasers sounded really cool. In as much as anything can be learned from teasers (which is very little) there was a great energy that suggests some really good potential. We'll just have to wait and see how it translates into full songs.

EDIT: Oh and as someone who's not especially familiar with JSS, he sounds great in the samples.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 01, 2017, 09:49:09 AM
Why I can only see Facebook posts from Sons Of Apollo profile and no particular Facebook profile which I could like ?  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2017, 09:52:44 AM
I'm optimistic! :tup

Sheehan onboard is a plus for me! Never heard of the vocalist, but he sounds great. Getting mid 2000-era DT, and some Iconoclast era SX vibes from what I heard.

Definitely a lot of potential here!

You've never heard of Jeff Scott Soto? Go YouTube him. Trust me, you won't regret it. He's sung for Yngwie, Journey, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and a ton of other smaller bands.

Yngwie's Marching Out is my #4 all time Favorite Vocal performance by anyone.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 01, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
I'm hoping this is really the case:

The band incorporates the progressive style and individual technical prowess that Portnoy & Sherinian shared together in Dream Theater combined with the swagger and groove of Van Halen, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Elite on August 01, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
Okay cool :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Art on August 01, 2017, 10:18:55 AM
Sounds awesome. I like it!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 01, 2017, 10:20:15 AM
The samples are promising!!!! I already like this son of Apollo, so let´s see what the other ones have to bring:

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 01, 2017, 10:29:16 AM
Music sounds like DT which is fine (I'm fine with dirivitiveness if it sounds good), but the vocal melodies are severely lacking.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 10:33:19 AM
The secret lineup that was no secret at all!  :lol

I actually like the lineup, with the exception of Billy. I just don't like the way he overplays everything with the same old and tired licks.

Based ond the snippets, it sounds promising, but we can't really judge a band by just a few seconds of a couple songs. I'll have to wait for the first single to see how this really sounds.

About the name, I just don't dig it, but that's not too important, anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
Music sounds like DT which is fine (I'm fine with dirivitiveness if it sounds good), but the vocal melodies are severely lacking.

I didn't get too excited with the vocals either.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 01, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
I like what I am hearing so far
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on August 01, 2017, 10:40:19 AM
I'm optimistic! :tup

Sheehan onboard is a plus for me! Never heard of the vocalist, but he sounds great. Getting mid 2000-era DT, and some Iconoclast era SX vibes from what I heard.

Definitely a lot of potential here!

You've never heard of Jeff Scott Soto? Go YouTube him. Trust me, you won't regret it. He's sung for Yngwie, Journey, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and a ton of other smaller bands.

Yngwie's Marching Out is my #4 all time Favorite Vocal performance by anyone.

One, two and three?


(And mad props for being able to whip out "No. 4 all time Favorite Vocal performance" in about nine seconds notice.)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 01, 2017, 10:53:56 AM
It sounded....fine. Just very generic.

I'll give the actual album a shot, but if this was supposed to increase excitement, for me, it has failed at that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: axeman90210 on August 01, 2017, 10:54:59 AM
The music was a mixed bag for me from the sample, but being completely unfamiliar with JSS I thought the vocals sounded pretty good. Will still definitely buy right away.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ReaperKK on August 01, 2017, 10:56:36 AM
Liked the sample but didn't like JSS. I'll give the album a listen though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Evermind on August 01, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
I'm the opposide. Liked JSS but didn't like the sample. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2017, 11:13:04 AM
Count me in the meh crowd. I look forward to hearing more, but the samples didn't do much for me. Players with chops for days but nothing grabbed me. Hopefully that changes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 01, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
I can see them opening for DT.













































:neverusethis:









Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 01, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
Yeah, I liked the vocals but wasn't really blown away by anything else. Hard to judge based on samples though, so I'll hold off on judgment until we hear a full song.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: YtseJamittaja on August 01, 2017, 11:43:52 AM
This sounds like Winery Dogs with a keyboard player and a little more progressive time signatures. Mike and Billy has done too much "supergroups" in the past so this sound bit lame. That's shame because I could really like if Mike did a prog metal supergroup with for example Eric Gillette and Haken guys...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 11:46:10 AM
This sounds like Winery Dogs with a keyboard player and a little more progressive time signatures. Mike and Billy has done too much "supergroups" in the past so this sound bit lame. That's shame because I could really like if Mike did a prog metal supergroup with for example Eric Gillette and Haken guys...

They're in a cover band together, it's called The Shattered Fortress  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: romdrums on August 01, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
This may be the first thing of Mike's post-DT projects that I'm legitimately interested in.  Sounds like it has potential.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 01, 2017, 12:01:27 PM
I'm optimistic! :tup

Sheehan onboard is a plus for me! Never heard of the vocalist, but he sounds great. Getting mid 2000-era DT, and some Iconoclast era SX vibes from what I heard.

Definitely a lot of potential here!

You've never heard of Jeff Scott Soto? Go YouTube him. Trust me, you won't regret it. He's sung for Yngwie, Journey, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and a ton of other smaller bands.

Yngwie's Marching Out is my #4 all time Favorite Vocal performance by anyone.

Yes... he's fantastic on that album!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Metropolaris on August 01, 2017, 12:04:13 PM
Just listened to the sample. Sounds really wanky and boring. JSS' voice isn't doing anything for me.
All that combined with the fact that Billy Sheehan is in the band has made my interest in this project drop significantly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 01, 2017, 12:12:10 PM
So he basically formed PSMS into a real band switching guitarists and adding vocalist.

I'll wait till they release a full song. But based on who's in it, I'm hearing a more Old school style rock mixed with prog metal. I haven't checked the clips yet.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MarkFitDT on August 01, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
bearing in mind they are only samples I didn't like the vocals at all plus the music was really generic. Just didn't do anything for me at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 01, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
The secret lineup that was no secret at all!  :lol

Haha I was thinking too that MP gave it away when he got all hurt about the Bumblebee fiasco.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 12:19:21 PM
I won't listen to the spoilers, I don't want any pre-conceived ideas. I'm definitely excited for the release and the line-up is cool. I think they could have a better band name though, I hope the music does the talking which I'm sure it will..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 12:25:06 PM
Btw, There's a band I've been jamming in for about the last year and they wanted to call it "Sons of Eve". I told them if that is going to be the name, it is a deal breaker for me.. Ughh!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 01, 2017, 12:35:56 PM
Pretty good looking band...

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
OH DEAR!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Samsara on August 01, 2017, 12:45:05 PM
There are a number of acts with that name. Hope Portnoy's legal team were able to secure rights to the name. Otherwise, "Sons of Apollo" will be short-lived (the name).  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 12:48:20 PM
That almost looks like a young Derek in the leather jacket.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mebert78 on August 01, 2017, 12:54:12 PM
How can that other band call themselves "Sons of Apollo" when there's a female band member?  It's not "Sons and Daughter of Apollo." :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 12:56:38 PM
How can that other band call themselves "Sons of Apollo" when there's a female band member?  It's not "Sons and Daughters of Apollo." :p

That person is obviously genderfluid.  Mind your gender pronouns.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Nachtmerrie on August 01, 2017, 12:58:39 PM
First impression: like the vocals, not sold on the music

I will probably buy the album anyway ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: jakepriest on August 01, 2017, 01:00:37 PM
How can that other band call themselves "Sons of Apollo" when there's a female band member?  It's not "Sons and Daughters of Apollo." :p

That person is obviously genderfluid.  Mind your gender pronouns.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/vk7VesvyZEwuI/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 01, 2017, 01:12:20 PM
Btw, There's a band I've been jamming in for about the last year and they wanted to call it "Sons of Eve". I told them if that is going to be the name, it is a deal breaker for me.. Ughh!
???  Why?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 01, 2017, 01:18:34 PM
Just listened 5 times in a row to the samples. Love it! On paper, it basically rectifies many grudges I have with DT.

Since MM joined, I'm starved for a good drum sound. MP's drums sound great here.
Sherinian's keyboard sounds are way better than Jordan's (hard to beat a Hammond C3).
The bass isn't prominent enough on most DT records, Billy Sheehan cuts through the mix.
The vocals are very pleasant, too. (Just to avoid any confusion, JLB in the studio is amazing, so there's no DT comparison here).

I'm not too hot about the names (neither the band-, nor the album-). Typical generic pretentious prog terminology. Something something Symphony? Give me a break.

In terms of sound and production, I'm already hooked. Hoping for good songwriting & melodies.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 01:21:32 PM
Btw, There's a band I've been jamming in for about the last year and they wanted to call it "Sons of Eve". I told them if that is going to be the name, it is a deal breaker for me.. Ughh!
???  Why?
I just don't like the name. Lol, so we decided against it and were doing a studio project soon with a lot of material. When the project is complete, we'll decide on a name that goes with the overall vibe of the finished product..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
Sycsa, I see what you're saying about the pretentious prog terminology..lol, that can get kind of cheesy..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 01, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
Oh, okay.  The way you worded it, it just sounded like there was some visceral reaction, and I wasn't sure why.  (...and I actually kind of like it)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 01:37:50 PM
My initial reaction is the instrumental sections sound fantastic......not really sold on the vocals but I'll wait to hear them in context.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 01:44:10 PM
Oh, okay.  The way you worded it, it just sounded like there was some visceral reaction, and I wasn't sure why.  (...and I actually kind of like it)
I guess it's better than "Sons of B's"....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 01, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
There are a number of acts with that name. Hope Portnoy's legal team were able to secure rights to the name. Otherwise, "Sons of Apollo" will be short-lived (the name).  :lol

If they can't use that name, I guess they'll have to Apollo-gize to the fans and the other band(s) using the name!

 :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
Pretty good looking band...

(https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20525848_10155581658542760_6604088999199664326_n.jpg?oh=7fe3dbed9d3a77eda3fb5d73ce8f9878&oe=59FE8537)


(http://www.muzic.net.nz/images/artists/pics/2715.jpg)

http://www.muzic.net.nz/artists/2715/sons-of-apollo
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 01, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
Not as good as Sons of Thunder.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 01, 2017, 01:51:42 PM
Well, on the upside, I think Glasser is still available.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
Well, on the upside, I think Glasser is still available.

And in a few months, Charlie parts with some Glasser paraphernalia :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 01, 2017, 01:54:11 PM
Sons of Apollo... OF FIRE!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 01:58:36 PM
Sons of Apollo... OF FIRE!

 :metal

Step-sons Of Apollo
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 01:58:53 PM
There are a number of acts with that name. Hope Portnoy's legal team were able to secure rights to the name. Otherwise, "Sons of Apollo" will be short-lived (the name).  :lol

If they can't use that name, I guess they'll have to Apollo-gize to the fans and the other band(s) using the name!

 :rollin

-Marc.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2017, 02:00:45 PM
That would be an Apoll-ing development.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
Maybe we smell another name change like in the Majesty days.  Reoccurring in 2017.  :xbones
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Evermind on August 01, 2017, 02:21:32 PM
Sons of Apollo... OF FIRE!

:rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 01, 2017, 02:26:53 PM
From Youtube comments:
So, you basically take Tony MacAlpine out of PSMS, and now you have PSSST...  :lol :lol :lol
 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 01, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
How about Bastard Sons of Apollo????
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 01, 2017, 02:37:02 PM
From Youtube comments:
So, you basically take Tony MacAlpine out of PSMS, and now you have PSSST...  :lol :lol :lol

PSSST would be an amazing band name. Imagine the album titles and how the covers would play on that band name...

PSSST - Listen To This!
PSSST - I've Got A Secret...
PSSST - Guess What?
PSSST - Whatcha Doin'?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2017, 02:49:03 PM
Surprised nobody has commented on the album name yet ("Psychotic symphony"). Sounds like straight out of bandnamemaker.com :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mebert78 on August 01, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
Surprised nobody has commented on the album name yet ("Psychotic symphony"). Sounds like straight out of bandnamemaker.com :lol

It has a "Systematic Chaos" feel to me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 02:59:18 PM
Surprised nobody has commented on the album name yet ("Psychotic symphony"). Sounds like straight out of bandnamemaker.com :lol
Sycsa commented on it earlier. He said Pretentious Prog terminology..  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 01, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
From Youtube comments:
So, you basically take Tony MacAlpine out of PSMS, and now you have PSSST...  :lol :lol :lol

PSSST would be an amazing band name. Imagine the album titles and how the covers would play on that band name...

PSSST - Listen To This!
PSSST - I've Got A Secret...
PSSST - Guess What?
PSSST - Whatcha Doin'?

-Marc.

Indeed, thinking better, it would be a really cool name! I can imagine Marco Minnemann in a band called like this :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 01, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Surprised nobody has commented on the album name yet ("Psychotic symphony"). Sounds like straight out of bandnamemaker.com :lol

I'm surprised they didn't go for "Psychotic Psymphony", to be honest.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 01, 2017, 03:20:29 PM
Mike Portnoy - Psychotic Drumphony



... lol




I know, he's not a phony.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 01, 2017, 03:40:22 PM
Mike Portnoy - Psychotic Drumphony



... lol




I know, he's not a phony.

Psychotic SymDRUMy?  :millahhhh
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: El Barto on August 01, 2017, 03:40:44 PM
Big JSS fan. Not sure about 4th, but Marching Our rates pretty high with me, as well. Really missed DS's keys. He was basically ignored in BCC. Really tired of Sheehan. Maybe his prog-stylings will be more to my liking, but I'm not super hopeful. Unfamiliar with Bumblefoot.

Sounds like he's really looking to recreate DT from the samples. Part of it is DS (unmistakable), but the music itself is derivative. Something I'm curious about is how much input the other guys have. THere's a lot of talent in that band. I know MP has said that it's his band, in no uncertain terms, but I wonder how much control he's exercising. Partly because I'd like to hear what the other guys bring, but also because that's not how you keep a group together. Assuming he intends to do more than one album, will JSS or RBT still want to play?

Also, checking YT for the sample thing, it seems there's a different band called Sons of Apollo. Some of the videos are 9+ years old. MP's been around the block, so I figured they're on this, but does seem unusual.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 01, 2017, 03:41:23 PM
Mike Portnoy - Psychotic Drumphony



... lol




I know, he's not a phony.

Psychotic SymDRUMy?  :millahhhh


Drumdrumic Drumdrumy
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Lowdz on August 01, 2017, 03:55:40 PM
My excitement for this has got a lot higher with JSS in the band. Great voice. Can sing the phone book and Maldives it sound great.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ravenfoul on August 01, 2017, 04:03:10 PM
I'm a big fan of Derek so I'll be checking this out. Not convinced this is going to be some huge thing for these guys yet, I feel like MP has said that many times for a couple of bands since DT, and they're never as constant a priority as they're made out to be.

IMO should have went with new people. Guess he just really enjoys working with Billy or something. Again not a dig against them or anything.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 01, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
I think that the people who have been clamoring for MP to do the DT thing again, this is perfect. Sounds like a DT clone band for the most part, but with different vocals.

I was hoping for something different, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 01, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
I think that the people who have been clamoring for MP to do the DT thing again, this is perfect. Sounds like a DT clone band for the most part, but with different vocals.

I was hoping for something different, but we'll see.
Well said, but I've been expecting something like this exactly from that band. With those YT samples we can predict some real crazy stuff. Don't know Bumblefoot too much, but I assume that we can count on some 16:7 56:78 1:8 and 9:16 ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 01, 2017, 04:38:34 PM
this seems like it may resemble G3-like work, than traditional progressive metal.

Still hope Mike manages to work in an all-original music band with either/both John Arch or Daniel Gildenlow someday.

Also would love to see him do a more overt Power-Pop project with Roger Manning and/or Ty Tabor.

But those bands/projects seem like if they ever happen, won't until next decade.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: El Barto on August 01, 2017, 04:45:22 PM
I think that the people who have been clamoring for MP to do the DT thing again, this is perfect. Sounds like a DT clone band for the most part, but with different vocals.

I was hoping for something different, but we'll see.
I haven't bee clamoring for anything, but a DT clone band with JSS and Sherinian sounds like a fantastic thing in my book.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: kingshmegland on August 01, 2017, 04:56:14 PM
And just follow any of Mike's other bands for different.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bl5150 on August 01, 2017, 05:10:58 PM
Sons of Apollo... OF FIRE!

Power prog now  ;D

This from BM comments..............


They should have contacted me, I could have done the guitar, bass, drums and vocals.....

Yngwie

 :lol


My excitement for this has got a lot higher with JSS in the band. Great voice. Can sing the phone book and Maldives it sound great.



Awesome for the people of the Maldives - bet they weren't expecting a tour.  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Lowdz on August 01, 2017, 05:14:23 PM
Sons of Apollo... OF FIRE!

Power prog now  ;D

This from BM comments..............


They should have contacted me, I could have done the guitar, bass, drums and vocals.....

Yngwie

 :lol


My excitement for this has got a lot higher with JSS in the band. Great voice. Can sing the phone book and Maldives it sound great.



Awesome for the people of the Maldives - bet they weren't expecting a tour.  :metal
Just remembering a great holiday there... really should start wearing my reading glasses...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 01, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Mike Portnoy - Psychotic Drumphony



... lol




I know, he's not a phony.

Psychotic SymDRUMy?  :millahhhh


Drumdrumic Drumdrumy

Yes.

God, yes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2017, 05:20:25 PM
Psychosane Symphony?  :lol :lol

Those clips didn't much for me, but I'll wait and see what some people are saying about it once it is released.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: jammindude on August 01, 2017, 05:28:38 PM
 I'm going to double back and read the entire thread later. But I'm assuming everybody's already beaten to death how awful that name is.

Seriously? Sons of Apollo? There were choices....and 5guys collectively agreed on SONS OF APOLLO?

Wyld Stallyns would have been less corny.

I love the lineup, and I'm excited for the release....but I'd be way too embarrassed to tell anyone I listen to......that name....

I'll buy the album, but I'm betting they aren't gonna sell a lot of T-shirts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ronnibran on August 01, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
Was disappointed that there weren't any surprises with the lineup, and nothing about the lineup other than MP or DS excites me...  But after hearing the sound clips a few times I'm excited.  At first I was thinking it was just cliché metal prog (and there's really nothing in the clip to convince me otherwise), but if I pretend I have never heard of the people in the lineup it sounds great!

I predicted to myself the other day that the announcement would come with a medley clip of songs, clips so short you can't tell anything about the songs, and I was dead on!  I was specifically remembering a clip medley from BC&SL that was completely pointless.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: wolfking on August 01, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
The sampler was okay, nothing really grabbed me but still looking forward to it.  A lot of obvious DT references in there.  Don't really know anything about Bumblefoot so eager to hear what he brings.

JSS is always a beast.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 07:25:49 PM
I'm going to double back and read the entire thread later. But I'm assuming everybody's already beaten to death how awful that name is.

Seriously? Sons of Apollo? There were choices....and 5guys collectively agreed on SONS OF APOLLO?

Wyld Stallyns would have been less corny.

I love the lineup, and I'm excited for the release....but I'd be way too embarrassed to tell anyone I listen to......that name....

I'll buy the album, but I'm betting they aren't gonna sell a lot of T-shirts.

The band name is bad already, but I think the album name is much worse  ???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 01, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: jakepriest on August 01, 2017, 10:02:28 PM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 01, 2017, 10:16:57 PM
A part of the samples sound like Planet X a little bit, and that's understandable, considering how Derek's sound played a huge part in that band. I always thought that bands like Planet X would be more successful if they had vocals, so I'm excited for this project. But you're right, the band's name and the album title are as cheesy as it gets.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 01, 2017, 10:45:02 PM
Listened to the sample again, so here are my thoughts...

Snippet 1 - Very cool keyboard line and sound, love the full-band entrance too. Sounds like it'll be the album opener, but if it isn't great song intro (assuming it is one).

Snippet 2 - This definitely sounds more middle-era Dream Theater to me, though the guitars in the second part of this bit are a bit more defining, though we only hear a measure or so of it.

Snippet 3 - The first vocals we hear! They're not bad, but this sounds like a verse or pre-chorus, so there's no chance to hear a soaring vocal melody for the chorus proper, which I can only hope where JSS shines. As it is, there isn't much else to get from this bit.

Snippet 4 - Some more DT-ish noodling, despite all being in 4/4, is still sounds cool. Is that a key and guitar unison I hear?

Snippet 5 - The second bit of vocals, which sounds like a chorus here! Very short bit, but I liked this one more.

Snippet 6 - Now THIS is more like it. Very DT-instrumental-middle-section-ish here, and it sounds pretty good. Love the over-all feel here, and Mike is employing his usual use of splashes for accents that I enjoy.

Snippet 7 - The third vocal bit, and it's a very short one, sounds like a chorus into a bridge, maybe? Or another verse perhaps.

Snippet 8 - MY FAVORITE BIT! I need MORE of this. The guitars are on FIRE and I love the feel of the whole bit. I hope there's more of that on the album!

Snippet 9 - The last piece we get, and of course, it's the end of a song, which isn't anything too special here.

Assuming Mike pieced this together and each snippet is representative of a unique and separate song, we're looking at 9 songs on the album, though I could be WAY off base and there could be anywhere between 3 and 12 songs. Who knows! Either way, I hope it's an album that's at LEAST an hour long, and 80 minutes would be amazing. DS and MP seem really hyped up about this so I hope they made the maximum amount of music for this project, and I hope there's a Making Of/Behind The Scenes documentary with the album as well. I'd love to see how they put everything together, who wrote what, and how it was all done. One of my favorite parts of Neal Morse's documentaries is seeing Mike piece together the epics, and make arrangement suggestions for everyone, as, despite what some may think of his personality and drumming, his ear for arrangements is pretty top-notch. Being a HUGE music fan really shows because he's got a good ear for how music should sound, especially epics. If you listen to Neal's demos for the second Transatlantic album, and then watch the documentary for it and listen to the final songs, you can really get a sense of how much work went into those demos to change them up into the final pieces, and Mike definitely had a lot to do with that. It's actually one of the things I miss most about his absence in Dream Theater - his arranging.

At any rate, the snippets are good, but I'm not going to over-excite myself over them just yet. It is *promising* at best, and I'm sure a single will drop before September, probably when pre-orders will go out. Judging on what that first single may sound like may determine if I pre-order this one or not. At the very least, I can say I am happy with how these songs SOUND in terms of production. There's a lot of punch to the drums and the bass guitar comes through nicely.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: the keyboard wizard on August 02, 2017, 06:20:28 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 02, 2017, 07:22:31 AM
Listened to the sample again, so here are my thoughts...

Snippet 1 - Very cool keyboard line and sound, love the full-band entrance too. Sounds like it'll be the album opener, but if it isn't great song intro (assuming it is one).

Snippet 2 - This definitely sounds more middle-era Dream Theater to me, though the guitars in the second part of this bit are a bit more defining, though we only hear a measure or so of it.

Snippet 3 - The first vocals we hear! They're not bad, but this sounds like a verse or pre-chorus, so there's no chance to hear a soaring vocal melody for the chorus proper, which I can only hope where JSS shines. As it is, there isn't much else to get from this bit.

Snippet 4 - Some more DT-ish noodling, despite all being in 4/4, is still sounds cool. Is that a key and guitar unison I hear?

Snippet 5 - The second bit of vocals, which sounds like a chorus here! Very short bit, but I liked this one more.

Snippet 6 - Now THIS is more like it. Very DT-instrumental-middle-section-ish here, and it sounds pretty good. Love the over-all feel here, and Mike is employing his usual use of splashes for accents that I enjoy.

Snippet 7 - The third vocal bit, and it's a very short one, sounds like a chorus into a bridge, maybe? Or another verse perhaps.

Snippet 8 - MY FAVORITE BIT! I need MORE of this. The guitars are on FIRE and I love the feel of the whole bit. I hope there's more of that on the album!

Snippet 9 - The last piece we get, and of course, it's the end of a song, which isn't anything too special here.

Assuming Mike pieced this together and each snippet is representative of a unique and separate song, we're looking at 9 songs on the album, though I could be WAY off base and there could be anywhere between 3 and 12 songs. Who knows! Either way, I hope it's an album that's at LEAST an hour long, and 80 minutes would be amazing. DS and MP seem really hyped up about this so I hope they made the maximum amount of music for this project, and I hope there's a Making Of/Behind The Scenes documentary with the album as well. I'd love to see how they put everything together, who wrote what, and how it was all done. One of my favorite parts of Neal Morse's documentaries is seeing Mike piece together the epics, and make arrangement suggestions for everyone, as, despite what some may think of his personality and drumming, his ear for arrangements is pretty top-notch. Being a HUGE music fan really shows because he's got a good ear for how music should sound, especially epics. If you listen to Neal's demos for the second Transatlantic album, and then watch the documentary for it and listen to the final songs, you can really get a sense of how much work went into those demos to change them up into the final pieces, and Mike definitely had a lot to do with that. It's actually one of the things I miss most about his absence in Dream Theater - his arranging.

At any rate, the snippets are good, but I'm not going to over-excite myself over them just yet. It is *promising* at best, and I'm sure a single will drop before September, probably when pre-orders will go out. Judging on what that first single may sound like may determine if I pre-order this one or not. At the very least, I can say I am happy with how these songs SOUND in terms of production. There's a lot of punch to the drums and the bass guitar comes through nicely.

-Marc.
I agree with everything you wrote. The more I listen to it, the more I like it. Color me eager, it just became my most anticipated album of the year.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 07:22:51 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Skeever on August 02, 2017, 07:29:47 AM
I'm going to double back and read the entire thread later. But I'm assuming everybody's already beaten to death how awful that name is.

Seriously? Sons of Apollo? There were choices....and 5guys collectively agreed on SONS OF APOLLO?

Wyld Stallyns would have been less corny.

I love the lineup, and I'm excited for the release....but I'd be way too embarrassed to tell anyone I listen to......that name....

I'll buy the album, but I'm betting they aren't gonna sell a lot of T-shirts.

Sure but this is a genre that includes bands named things like "Dream Theater", "Symphony X", and "Shadow Gallery" so I think they're in good company.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 02, 2017, 07:46:55 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc
JSS is such a goofball.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: FOXAN03 on August 02, 2017, 08:37:35 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc

 :metal :metal

Sounds Awesome!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 08:44:26 AM
LOVE the band name.

The snippets don't really work for me (other than to put my mind a LITTLE at ease about JSS), but then again, they never do. I thought the new VH was going to SUCK from the snippets and it was my album of the year (and a contender for my album of the decade).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Samsara on August 02, 2017, 08:47:42 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc
JSS is such a goofball.  :lol

Hahahaha. So that song was their live debut? LOL. Awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 02, 2017, 08:54:39 AM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc
JSS is such a goofball.  :lol

He's giving Russell Allen a run for his money in the ham department.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 09:47:48 AM
The band covering "And the Cradle Will Rock" during the Ultimate Jam paying tribute to David Z. Mike reunited too with The Winery Dogs and played with Dee Snider. I'm looking for the setlist but haven't found anything yet but zinna.tv streamed the event so I think they will upload the full show today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvPbblJfDc
JSS is such a goofball.  :lol

That delivered.  (Though I'm not sure that's what I want to see from Sons of Apollo).
Hahahaha. So that song was their live debut? LOL. Awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Schurftkut on August 02, 2017, 10:34:07 AM
Seeing that video, MP looks way more in place. All these guys are rocking and moving along with the music. In DT he was the most visual character because the rest are pretty much statues during a show. I like the energy these guys as a whole radiate.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2017, 10:59:31 AM
And that video alone convinced me to see them live if I get the chance.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2017, 11:09:16 AM
It looks like a fun time, but I am not a fan of Roth era Van Halen. Soto doesn't look 51. I'd much rather see Shattered Fortress, but that ain't happening.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mladen on August 02, 2017, 11:12:48 AM
I like the singer's stage presence.  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 02, 2017, 11:17:57 AM
I just want to take a moment to point out that JSS can't sing Mean Streak.  :D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Peace and Love on August 02, 2017, 11:40:35 AM
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 02, 2017, 01:16:25 PM
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

This exactly.. Never liked them (or knew about them at all) either.. MP/DS is why most of us are excited anyways..

Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 02, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

This exactly.. Never liked them (or knew about them at all) either.. MP/DS is why most of us are excited anyways..

Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 02, 2017, 01:48:30 PM
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.

I'm still excited for the album though!

This exactly.. Never liked them (or knew about them at all) either.. MP/DS is why most of us are excited anyways..

Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

I agree, specially the bolded part.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

But did he say that he doesn't practice, or only that he doesn't like to practice?.. Because every musician practice, least a bit, over the years, and more a guy of his age and dedication to the instrument (not to say obsession with it).. I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me.. Talking about MP, yes, I agree that in his later years with DT he didn't "evolve" too much.. But even so he managed to create innovating fills every once in a while, like the ones at the start of TCoT..

Anyways, I'm all for listening to some refreshing drumming, but I won't precisely complain if I *just* happen to like the album or his drumming..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 02, 2017, 02:19:00 PM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

But did he say that he doesn't practice, or only that he doesn't like to practice?.. Because every musician practice, least a bit, over the years, and more a guy of his age and dedication to the instrument (not to say obsession with it).. I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me.. Talking about MP, yes, I agree that in his later years with DT he didn't "evolve" too much.. But even so he managed to create innovating fills every once in a while, like the ones at the start of TCoT..

Definitely not Lars Ulrich  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: jakepriest on August 02, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
Lars Ulrich is actually much better nowadays than he was in the DM slump. People need to get off that cirklejerk.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 02:47:07 PM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.

But did he say that he doesn't practice, or only that he doesn't like to practice?.. Because every musician practice, least a bit, over the years, and more a guy of his age and dedication to the instrument (not to say obsession with it).. I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me.. Talking about MP, yes, I agree that in his later years with DT he didn't "evolve" too much.. But even so he managed to create innovating fills every once in a while, like the ones at the start of TCoT..

Anyways, I'm all for listening to some refreshing drumming, but I won't precisely complain if I *just* happen to like the album or his drumming..

He also said he is CONSTANTLY playing, in various bands of various genres, and while he doesn't spend hours and hours on that new paradiddle, he does keep his chops fresh. 

Frankly, I STILL hear stuff from Mike that makes me go "WTF?", even if it isn't because it's superhuman.   The pattern in the pre-chorus and chorus of The Storm is as special as anything he's put out, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 02, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Lars Ulrich is actually much better nowadays than he was in the DM slump. People need to get off that cirklejerk.

I haven't heard him play live lately but thank you for that disturbing image.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 02:49:34 PM
Lars Ulrich is actually much better nowadays than he was in the DM slump. People need to get off that cirklejerk.

I haven't heard him play live lately but thank you for that disturbing image.

He was pretty bad when I saw them in NJ earlier this year.  Even my non musical friend kept saying that Metallica was very sloppy.  Didn't ruin the show or anything, but the criticism is there for a reason.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 02, 2017, 04:54:51 PM
From MP's forum:
Quote
But what to call the next great supergroup? “Derek was mainly the one behind the name,” says Portnoy. “I have a list that I keep on my phone of about a hundred different band names, which I constantly have to refer to every time I have a new band every year (laughs). So, I pulled up the list and Apollo was one of the names on the list. It was a word that both of us really liked. We started fiddling with different variations of the word. One of the original band names we were working with was Apollo Creed, the character from the ‘Rocky’ movies, but after lots of different discussions on different variations, Derek suggested SONS OF APOLLO and it seemed to stick. Apollo is the God of Music so with that in mind it seemed like a fitting name.”
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 02, 2017, 05:05:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A2UlvxT.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 02, 2017, 05:19:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A2UlvxT.jpg)

Unless it's trademarked, that guy is shit out of luck.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2017, 05:24:24 PM
The live video had the opposite effect on me: didn't like JSS "cock-rock" stage presence, never liked Sheehan for his playing, tone, or belief in Scientology, never liked this particular song either.


The obvious question there is, can those who buy this album live with the fact that a portion of Sheehan's earning are likely going to Tom Cruise? :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on August 02, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
Well, strictly speaking, a retweet without any explanation does on its face mean, "I agree."  And, by extension, if there isn't any explanation carving out any part of it that isn't agreed with, that means agreement with the whole thing.  But, yeah, "People get lazy on social media," as in regular speech.  So I think you are still correct that we shouldn't necessarily assume something negative, especially if there isn't a pattern as there is with certain other people that are the topic of discussion in this thread.

Yeah that's pretty much my thought as well. A retweet to me without anything else is full agreement of the original tweet. But like you said, there is no pattern of this with DS, in fact he's been really great with addressing his time in DT publicly since he was fired.

Yes, I agree. DS has been very cool. Probably just a one off moment.

Maybe not. (In reply to Mike's Tweet saying it's been 20 years since he was in a band with Derek)
https://twitter.com/bloodsweatmusic/status/892579525795643392
(http://i.imgur.com/aFaULEd.png)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
Why would he say it has been 20 years when it has only been 18?  Are we rounding up now?  It has been 10 years since Neal Morse Band's last record!!! :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 02, 2017, 08:18:20 PM
I asked to Ron Thal on Facebook:
Amazing news, Ron! How much input did you have on the songwriting?
- Complete teamwork by all, happy to say :)  Very involved :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Polarbear on August 03, 2017, 04:59:09 AM
Watched the live debut clip yesterday, got me even more excited for the project!

Soto sounds great live, but what struck me is the fact that Ron Thal can sing!

With Soto, Sheehan and Thal, I'm not at all worried about the singing department of Sons of Apollo!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Lynxo on August 03, 2017, 05:15:53 AM
Yeah, the live clip was awesome! I like their chemistry, and I really like how animated on stage they all are.  :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 03, 2017, 06:06:39 AM
1) Sherinian as a music in his solo album Black Utopia called Sons of Anu, don't know if there's any relation with Sons of Apollo.

2) Psychotic Symphony --> PS --> Portnoy Sherinian
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 03, 2017, 07:01:04 AM
1) Sherinian as a music in his solo album Black Utopia called Sons of Anu, don't know if there's any relation with Sons of Apollo.

2) Psychotic Symphony --> PS --> Portnoy Sherinian
Cool nugget :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Art on August 03, 2017, 07:15:14 AM
My only doubt about this group is about Bumblefoot. I only heard about him when he was in GNR, and my only thoughts were "what a silly name". I don't know anything else about his career, or if he's on the same level as the other guys.

For the rest of the band:
- MP is my favorite prog drummer. I really hope this band takes off and he can focus on it.
- Derek is awesome and i think he's the main composer here (which is good, because his solo albuns are very prog metal and are very good).
- Billy Sheehan is a great bass player and showman. He definetely got the chops to play with the rest of the guys. He wouldn't be my choice because he's done lots of other things with MP in the last years. I would love to see a guy like Mike LePond here (or Symphony X's first bass player, Thomas Miller, that would be a dream), but ok, can't complain about Billy.
- JSS is an incredible singer that can sing metalqprog/har rock/pop...you name it. Very happy that he's the choice.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2017, 07:34:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/A2UlvxT.jpg)

Unless it's trademarked, that guy is shit out of luck.

Yeah, and if it's the same band I saw the link to - trying and failing miserably to do a passable "Echoes" by Floyd - then he certainly knows "crap", because he's been delivering it for 10 years.  :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Architeuthis on August 03, 2017, 08:55:50 AM
I agree about Mike Lepond, he is a fantastic bass player and songwriter. His solo album "Silent Assassins" is a metal masterpiece!  He is not the original bass player for Symphony X, but he's been with them for most of their catalogue up until now.
 He would be a good fit in Mike Portnoy's group for sure, even though I seriously doubt they can top Mike Leponds Silent Assassins album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 03, 2017, 09:04:04 AM
20 Years?

when did Mike and Derek last play with PSMS?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2017, 10:25:23 AM
20 Years?

when did Mike and Derek last play with PSMS?

Last month?  Ba-dum-PAH!   Be here all week.  Try the veal! 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
I agree about Mike Lepond, he is a fantastic bass player and songwriter. His solo album "Silent Assassins" is a metal masterpiece!  He is not the original bass player for Symphony X, but he's been with them for most of their catalogue up until now.
 He would be a good fit in Mike Portnoy's group for sure, even though I seriously doubt they can top Mike Leponds Silent Assassins album.

That is an awesome album!!  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 03, 2017, 10:59:52 AM
With Soto, Sheehan and Thal, I'm not at all worried about the singing department of Sons of Apollo!

I can imagine something like this happening:

MP: Guys, I know all of you sing very well and are much better vocalsits than me, but I really feel we should add some grows on this section, you know. I can make it work out, don't worry.

*15 mins later

ROOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: the keyboard wizard on August 03, 2017, 12:58:08 PM
The full Ultimate Jam is online at zinna.tv the quality is low.
Did someone listen to Mike's interview with Eddie Trunk? It's available here https://player.fm/series/podcastone-1426788/et-cheap-trick-greta-van-fleet-mike-portnoy but it's not working on my smartphone. Mike's part begins at 1:02:00
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ravenfoul on August 03, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Cool, thanks for that Keybozard Wiz.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: AngelBack on August 03, 2017, 02:16:25 PM
Three epics he says, should be interesting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: rumborak on August 03, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A2UlvxT.jpg)

Unless it's trademarked, that guy is shit out of luck.

Is that actually so? I remember that somewhere in the US there is a "Burger King" that has nothing to do with the chain. It was there first, and thus has priority in the areas it had expanded to until the chain came around.

EDIT: Here we go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_King_(Mattoon,_Illinois)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 03, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
Three epics he says, should be interesting.

Let's hope those are good epics...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 03, 2017, 03:07:55 PM
Majority of material composed by Portnoy/Sherinian/Ron. Sheehan less involved. Lyrics and melodies by Sherinian/Portnoy/Soto. Interesting to know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 03, 2017, 03:11:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A2UlvxT.jpg)

Unless it's trademarked, that guy is shit out of luck.

Is that actually so? I remember that somewhere in the US there is a "Burger King" that has nothing to do with the chain. It was there first, and thus has priority in the areas it had expanded to until the chain came around.

EDIT: Here we go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_King_(Mattoon,_Illinois)

Interesting

Quote
The court ruled that, because of the federal trademark registration, and because the federal law indicated priority over state law,[4] Florida's Burger King had rights to the name almost everywhere in the United States, including in Illinois, except in the Mattoon area, where the Hoots family had prior actual use. As a result of the case, the Hootses cannot use the name "Burger King" outside of the Mattoon area, and the Florida chain cannot use the name in the Mattoon area.

I'm not sure how this applies to a band name though being that a band doesn't have a physical store front.  I'd be interested in knowing how this plays out.  My initial thought is that if the original band didn't trademark the name, then they have no argument for another band coming along with the same name.  I'm guessing both will co-exist, but the former (and lesser known) will just be like that Burger King.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 04, 2017, 08:10:02 AM
My local bar where I used to live is called "The Cracker Barrel", and not a triangle peg game or chicken fried steak to be found anywhere.

Look, I'm not a trademark attorney, but I know enough to know that Mike et al shouldn't be losing sleep.

One element of "trademark infringement" is "likelihood of confusion".  Now, they are both bands, so that's a problem.  But "strength of the trademark owner's mark" is a factor (have they released albums?  Played shows?  Is there an audience for that band?).  You have to show ACTUAL confusion; have any of you picked up Mike's record thinking it was the old band's magnum opus?   Also, what was the intent?   Did Mike and Derek actually think they were going to siphon off some of the existing Sons of Apollo audience?  (I don't think the guitar player's mom and dad count as "audience"). 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2017, 08:24:32 AM
Yea and I think that's likely the case.  I do wonder if the old band would just be looking for a payday though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Skeever on August 04, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
They did a good job with the cover.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Schurftkut on August 04, 2017, 02:33:30 PM
https://proglodytes.com/2017/08/04/interview-with-derek-sherinian-dream-theater-planet-x-and-sons-of-apollo/

Derek is making the band out to be the Us vs Them kinda thing...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Skeever on August 04, 2017, 02:50:01 PM
https://proglodytes.com/2017/08/04/interview-with-derek-sherinian-dream-theater-planet-x-and-sons-of-apollo/

Derek is making the band out to be the Us vs Them kinda thing...
Jesus Christ, who cares?
If it gives this band a little bit of a competitive fire, unlike the last several Mike bands, then I am ALL FOR IT.

Hell, it's not just MP's projects that needed this kick, but DT that need a good kick in the ass too. Maybe some competitiveness would be good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 04, 2017, 02:54:41 PM
https://proglodytes.com/2017/08/04/interview-with-derek-sherinian-dream-theater-planet-x-and-sons-of-apollo/

Derek is making the band out to be the Us vs Them kinda thing...

Exactly what I thought of when I read it. Also, I didn't really like the way he talked about Jordan, makig it sound like he and JP are just cyborgs, but that's another topic of discussion. What I do find funny is the fact that he talks about his relationship with Mike as if they were always the best music partners ever, when, in reality, Mike was one of the first people to want to replace Derek with Jordan, he's even said multiple times (and in the last few years) that he still thinks it was a good call to fire him. I don't think Derek is considering all the facts here.

Also, something that I haven't seem discussed here is that this is, according to Mike, his new "main band"... which he also said for AMOB at first (see how that turned out) and, later, TWD (inactive since 2015 and now in hiatus for, at least, a couple more years). I do wonder if SOA will be a real priority for him if he's gonna treat it as just another band he's in for now. The potential for this band being big is already there, I hope Mike decides to do something with that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Skeever on August 04, 2017, 02:57:34 PM
I just actually read the interview... you guys are way to sensitive. Like, way, way too sensitive  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 04, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
https://proglodytes.com/2017/08/04/interview-with-derek-sherinian-dream-theater-planet-x-and-sons-of-apollo/

Derek is making the band out to be the Us vs Them kinda thing...

Huh? Did I miss it? Where did he do that?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mladen on August 04, 2017, 03:03:55 PM
Yeah, I don't see any issue.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 04, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
I mean, he said he started Planet X as an FU to DT, which is fine and creatively actually pretty awesome. Bands that have something to prove are great, and clearly he doesn't harbor any resentment anymore.

I've also seen people on DTF refer to JR as a machine or robot, usually out of admiration.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: nobloodyname on August 04, 2017, 03:32:52 PM
It's the same people over and over again looking for reasons to criticise anything connected with MP. This current obsession with anything Derek says or tweets is an extension of that. Honestly folks, life is far, far too short. To paraphrase Ricky Gervais, you'll be dead soon. Who bloody cares?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 04, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
The Winery Dogs aren't "inactive since 2015". They toured last year, and just released a live album TODAY. All MP's bands release an album every two or three years, much more active than a bunch of bands which are deemed "more active". So I don't get this kind of comment at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 04, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
The Winery Dogs aren't "inactive since 2015". They toured last year, and just released a live album TODAY. All MP's bands release an album every two or three years, much more active than a bunch of bands which are deemed "more active". So I don't get this kind of comment at all.

Portnoy was quoted in the article the other day as saying the Dogs are now on a break, several years after saying they were a full time band.

In 2011, he said Adrenaline Mob would be a full time band, not just a project, and two years later he left the band.

That is called a pattern.  It seems like he keeps throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick. 

I will put it this way: if this new band doesn't go over with fans well and/or doesn't generate album and ticket sales that make him happy, by 2020 we will be talking about Sons of Apollo as another Portnoy band that came and went.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 04, 2017, 07:50:23 PM
 Mike only quit two bands: Dream Theater and Adrenaline Mob. The other ones that did not continue did so for other reasons. Liquid Tension is no more because Jordan joined Dream Theater, and now there´s no chance to continue anything because of the whole situation of Mike leaving DT. Transatlantic was always meant to be a side project anyway, and Mike´s in two other bands with Neal Morse, so why ressurrecting that? He quit Adrenaline Mob because he couldn´t juggle all his other stuff with it, and quite frankly, I don´t think he wanted to tour such low scale places like they´re STILL doing now. The Winery Dogs are a full on band which is on hiatus right now due to them having other commitments, but at the same time they all said they´re in no way finished as a band. Two studio albums and two live ones in four years is not a bad average, and they´ll be back in the second half of 2018. Flying Colors is the same: two studio albums and two live ones in six years, all while the band members are involved with much more stable bands. And hey, where in the bible of rock and roll is it written that one must have a "main" project to focus on? He could have gotten a bunch of starting musicians and formed a "main" band and followed with that, but it´s not what he chose to do. I dunno why it puts people off that he´s juggling all those bands, since there´s something for all kinds of tastes in them. I for one chose to check them out and like most of what I hear, and the things I don´t like I don´t listen to, regardless of it being the "main" thing or not.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ravenfoul on August 04, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
I'm fine with MP being in multiple bands, but I'm glad another poster pointed it out. Only time will truly tell if this is an actual priority for him and or his main band, like he keeps seeming to say.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ytserush on August 04, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
So he basically formed PSMS into a real band switching guitarists and adding vocalist.

I'll wait till they release a full song. But based on who's in it, I'm hearing a more Old school style rock mixed with prog metal. I haven't checked the clips yet.

I loved PSMS, not sure if I'm liking this . Haven't checked out any samples either. May be a game time decision for me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 04, 2017, 08:20:46 PM
So he basically formed PSMS into a real band switching guitarists and adding vocalist.

I'll wait till they release a full song. But based on who's in it, I'm hearing a more Old school style rock mixed with prog metal. I haven't checked the clips yet.

I loved PSMS, not sure if I'm liking this . Haven't checked out any samples either. May be a game time decision for me.

I have that live DVD too, and loved it!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 04, 2017, 09:44:29 PM
Mike only quit two bands: Dream Theater and Adrenaline Mob. The other ones that did not continue did so for other reasons. Liquid Tension is no more because Jordan joined Dream Theater, and now there´s no chance to continue anything because of the whole situation of Mike leaving DT. Transatlantic was always meant to be a side project anyway, and Mike´s in two other bands with Neal Morse, so why ressurrecting that? He quit Adrenaline Mob because he couldn´t juggle all his other stuff with it, and quite frankly, I don´t think he wanted to tour such low scale places like they´re STILL doing now. The Winery Dogs are a full on band which is on hiatus right now due to them having other commitments, but at the same time they all said they´re in no way finished as a band. Two studio albums and two live ones in four years is not a bad average, and they´ll be back in the second half of 2018. Flying Colors is the same: two studio albums and two live ones in six years, all while the band members are involved with much more stable bands. And hey, where in the bible of rock and roll is it written that one must have a "main" project to focus on? He could have gotten a bunch of starting musicians and formed a "main" band and followed with that, but it´s not what he chose to do. I dunno why it puts people off that he´s juggling all those bands, since there´s something for all kinds of tastes in them. I for one chose to check them out and like most of what I hear, and the things I don´t like I don´t listen to, regardless of it being the "main" thing or not.

Re: FIRST BOLDED PART
That kind of proves my point about throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.  Adrenaline Mob didn't stick, so he explored other options, giving him the "I couldn't fit them into my schedule" out (which I doubt anyone had a problem with).

Re: SECOND BOLDED PART
Nowhere, and I did not say I did.  All I was saying was that Portnoy has a recent history of saying how a new band he is in is a full time band, not a side project, only for him to shortly thereafter leave the band or go on a break, leading to my point that the same thing will happen with Sons of Apollo if they did not go over well with fans.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 04, 2017, 09:49:42 PM
I think the main issue (though this doesn't apply to all of them) is that he is forming these with very busy people.

You can't put Billy Sheehan or Richie Kotzen in a band and expect them to not have months/years of other stuff to do as well.

This new band will have the same problem. People were doubting Sheehan would even be in it because of how busy he is. Bumbefoot's a pretty busy guy too.

So it's not JUST MP taking breaks, it's that all of these are formed with super busy people. DT doesn't have that issue. JR is a robot, so he doesn't count, but the other guys who actually contribute to DT mostly just do DT.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 04, 2017, 10:58:05 PM
I was not taking this as another opportunity to say something bad about Mike or anything like that, I just pointed that, as Kev said, he has a track record of saying "this (insert Mike's new band name here) is going to be my main band/priority", and, after a while, it just doesn't work that way. It's not a bad thing that he doesn't just stick to one band, in fact, I admire the guy for releasing that many albums with so many different bands/people in a short period of time, I just think we can't take his word when he says something like that, because he has a history that says otherwise.

About TWD being inactive sonce 2015, I was mistaken about that, since I don't really like the band and haven't followed them too closely, but I do know their live album was recorded a long time ago, so  it's not like they've been too active anyway, they just didn't release it before. I even read an interview with Kotzen where he said that even though he really likes TWD, he'll always focus more on his solo careeer, because that's what he likes to do more, and that's totally fine.

I do hope SOA becomes a priority for them, and not just another side project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 05, 2017, 07:02:48 AM
Who cares about a name.. Looking forward to hear the music.. 7 years have passed without listening to that guy doing what he does better than anyone else.. It's about time!.. :metal

Write drum parts that repeat the same fills and beats he has been using for the past X years? Yeah nobody else does that better. :neverusethis:
On a serious note I'm going to check the album out, if only to appreciate good sounding drums in prog for a change.

I agree. I started noticing MP's lack of diversity in the later DT years. Although I do love the drums in the beginning for In the Presence of Enemies. I think because as he says he doesn't like to practice or improve. It's like Clint Eastwood acting, you wont be disappointed with the performance but don't expect anything different. MP is still in my top ten drummers by the way but mainly because of what he has done not what is doing.

But then, again, if Mike Portnoy is called repetitive, what's left for most drummers out there?.. And this goes for prog drummers too; they aren't individually so diverse either..

I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.
I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me..
Mangini do talk alot about working on improving and coming up with new fills on upcoming tours, just check his YT page. He practices alot and he's constantly try to push himself on his instrument.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 05, 2017, 08:40:29 AM
I just feel like we have seen his entire bag of tricks for the past 10 years. People would kill to have that bag of tricks but that is what I meant. Neil Peart, Bill Bruford and Mike Mangini to name a few continued to learn and evolve. Even MP has said this himself, he doesn't like to practice. If he can make the living and career he has without continuing to practice and improve more power to him.
I don't hear any improvement in Mangini's playing since he's in DT, but maybe that's just me..
Mangini do talk alot about working on improving and coming up with new fills on upcoming tours, just check his YT page. He practices alot and he's constantly try to push himself on his instrument.

I'm sure he does.. And maybe when that can help [and is helping] him to evolve as a musician, I still don't hear what has bring his constant practice and so high technique to DT besides what we have already heard in ADToE and probably some new things in DT12.. He needs more time, I'm sure of it, but I don't think he (just to talk about MM) has been more diverse than MP regarding their contribution to DT.. And, yeap, then again, diversity doesn't necessarily mean quality either, so...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: kingshmegland on August 05, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
This is the same old crap I've heard about for bands with longevity.  No musicians sound similar in their style because you've heard them so much over decades.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 05, 2017, 09:03:08 AM
This is the same old crap I've heard about for bands with longevity.  No musicians sound similar in their style because you've heard them so much over decades.

I don't know if you're saying that for what I wrote because you didn't quote, but at least *I* was saying something entirely different.. Sure their styles aren't similar and have no reason to be similar.. The talk here is about practice and how can this make evolve a musician within certain band.. However, in my last post I included the "quality" factor, giving the real reason why I prefer Portnoy over Mangini.. But I'm not asking MM to be MP, in fact I'm not even asking him to be better (than what he already is); I'm just describing what I feel about the two of them..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Skeever on August 05, 2017, 09:08:39 AM
Re: SECOND BOLDED PART
Nowhere, and I did not say I did.  All I was saying was that Portnoy has a recent history of saying how a new band he is in is a full time band, not a side project, only for him to shortly thereafter leave the band or go on a break, leading to my point that the same thing will happen with Sons of Apollo if they did not go over well with fans.

Well, we could just retroactively say that Sons of Apollo is simply PSMS having gone through three lineup changes. Maybe Bumblefoot even gets busy and gets replaced with McAlpine or Gilette eventually  :lol

I know it sounds silly, but that's just how today's industry differs from what it was even 10 years ago. Gone are the days of one band which has a longer term contractual relationship with a record label, where you expect to see the band evolve as time goes on, and here are the days where the same people affiliated people get 1-2 album deals with a variety of labels and wind up constantly re-branding themselves until something finally sticks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: kingshmegland on August 05, 2017, 09:11:51 AM
This is the same old crap I've heard about for bands with longevity.  No musicians sound similar in their style because you've heard them so much over decades.

I don't know if you're saying that for what I wrote because you didn't quote, but at least *I* was saying something entirely different.. Sure their styles aren't similar and have no reason to be similar.. The talk here is about practice and how can this make evolve a musician within certain band.. However, in my last post I included the "quality" factor, giving the real reason why I prefer Portnoy over Mangini.. But I'm not asking MM to be MP, in fact I'm not even asking him to be better (than what he already is); I'm just describing what I feel about the two of them..

No, I'm talking about players not growing.  When we here a drummer for multiple decades they are not going to change that much in style.  They don't add to their repertoire that makes it mind blowing.  it's still their style.

I heard people complain about Neil Peart that was as an example.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mosh on August 05, 2017, 10:17:46 AM
I think there should be more competition between the two bands. It energizes everybody involved and can be inspiring. DT have had the market cornered on their brand of prog metal for years, if a DT-style Portnoy side project started to gain traction (unlikely) they might be motivated to work harder on the next album. The fans win in the end.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 05, 2017, 11:51:58 AM
@kingshmegland - Ok, I agree with that..

@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Music is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: jakepriest on August 05, 2017, 12:16:15 PM

@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Musi  is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..

So basically MP fans.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 05, 2017, 12:18:22 PM

@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Musi  is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..

So basically MP fans.  :lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 05, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
I really hope that MP has started SOA not only for pure revenge on DT. I believe that He just miss that kind of music in his life. Of course, I could be wrong and it could be endless war between MP and DT... and yes, I agree that he should be more concentrated on one project, but I think that he's not looking for a fame and money with any of his actual projects. Well maybe money ;) but I mean anyway, I'm hoping that all of his post DT work and projects was made not only to show how much he can do with or without Dream Theater....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 05, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
I really hope that MP has started SOA not only for pure revenge on DT. I believe that He just miss that kind of music in his life. Of course, I could be wrong and it could be endless war between MP and DT... and yes, I agree that he should be more concentrated on one project, but I think that he's not looking for a fame and money with any of his actual projects. Well maybe money ;) but I mean anyway, I'm hoping that all of his post DT work and projects was made not only to show how much he can do with or without Dream Theater....

We can't know what's on his head, but think that he started doing side projects before leaving DT.. So back then it'd have been impossible for him to think like that.. And now he's doing what he already said he would do: being in these so many bands, regardless if they're permanent bands or just temporary projects..

Fame?.. He already has it.. Money?.. Sure.. But one thing I wouldn't doubt about him is that he's doing it mainly because he simply loves music.. His personal confrontation with DT comes more from the side of things he says publicly about them, not from what he does musically.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 05, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
I really hope that MP has started SOA not only for pure revenge on DT. I believe that He just miss that kind of music in his life. Of course, I could be wrong and it could be endless war between MP and DT... and yes, I agree that he should be more concentrated on one project, but I think that he's not looking for a fame and money with any of his actual projects. Well maybe money ;) but I mean anyway, I'm hoping that all of his post DT work and projects was made not only to show how much he can do with or without Dream Theater....

We can't know what's on his head, but think that he started doing side projects before leaving DT.. So back then it'd have been impossible for him to think like that.. And now he's doing what he already said he would do: being in these so many bands, regardless if they're permanent bands or just temporary projects..

Fame?.. He already has it.. Money?.. Sure.. But one thing I wouldn't doubt about him is that he's doing it mainly because he simply loves music.. His personal confrontation with DT comes more from the side of things he says publicly about them, not from what he does musically.
I hope You're right, I'm thinking the same way. I obviously don't know him personal, but it seems like a funny straight forward person who loves what he's doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MirrorMask on August 06, 2017, 03:10:03 AM
Fame?.. He already has it.. Money?.. Sure.. But one thing I wouldn't doubt about him is that he's doing it mainly because he simply loves music..

I agree, I don't think that should ever be in doubt - I remember reading a post somewhere from a dude attending I believe a cruise or another, and that he remembered doing a cover MP did a quite particular fill that was in the song and that the dude liked... he was like "He organized the cruise, took care of all the organization, put together all the setlist and still he remembered while playing a cover to do the exact drum fill that was on the original song", this is just an example of how the guy is just passionate about music, and how he remembers a lot of stuff just like a passionate fan would do.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Fritzinger on August 06, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
Still, Portnoy is clever... He could have asked Eric Gillette and Conner Green for the band but he didn't. He chose big names, people who are well known in the music industry. Don't you think he *also* wants to make a little money.. next to the music loving thing?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ErHaO on August 06, 2017, 07:16:05 AM
Offcourse he wants this project to be a success. Bigger names not only mean more money, they also lead to bigger concert attendance and increase chances to play in bigger venues, have better slots at festivals, and have better promotion and tour circumstances in general. And, in case this band also goes on hiatus, getting the most exposure possible is good for any artist involved for the sake of their careers outside of this band. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 06, 2017, 08:46:21 AM


@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Music is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..

I am not sure I agree with that, generally speaking. 

Hearing the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds made Paul McCartney want to one-up them with Sgt. Pepper, for example.

Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, so long as it comes from a good place (wanting to make better music for the thrill of it, not out of spite or anger).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
I think competition often leads to better products

Anyone else remember WWF vs. WCW Monday nights?  That produced some of the best wrestling from either brand and it went downhill once WWF won that battle. 

I didn't really think of this as competition though, just figured it was a musical direction Portnoy wanted to return to.  But if it turns out to be them and DT battling it out for best prog metal band?  So be it, I think we will all be treated to some awesome music.  I just hope it's due to wanting to be the best, not to get back at your old band mates or something.  Positivity not negativity is what I'd want from both sides.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Fritzinger on August 06, 2017, 10:20:57 AM
But if it turns out to be them and DT battling it out for best prog metal band?

Then it's Haken
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mosh on August 06, 2017, 10:44:43 AM


@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Music is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..

I am not sure I agree with that, generally speaking. 

Hearing the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds made Paul McCartney want to one-up them with Sgt. Pepper, for example.

Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, so long as it comes from a good place (wanting to make better music for the thrill of it, not out of spite or anger).
Great example, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Derek has always come off as a classy guy, I see him trying to invoke a friendly competition with DT and I find it exciting. If this project lives up to the hype, DT will be motivated to do something even better.

I think competition often leads to better products

Anyone else remember WWF vs. WCW Monday nights?  That produced some of the best wrestling from either brand and it went downhill once WWF won that battle. 

I didn't really think of this as competition though, just figured it was a musical direction Portnoy wanted to return to.  But if it turns out to be them and DT battling it out for best prog metal band?  So be it, I think we will all be treated to some awesome music.  I just hope it's due to wanting to be the best, not to get back at your old band mates or something.  Positivity not negativity is what I'd want from both sides.
Yup. And if it was to get back at old band mates then the music would inevitably not be very good. Like you said, it sounds like this was a natural progression for MP. The competition is just a bonus.

Another example: This is like when Bruce Dickinson started making metal again. I'm not implying there's a reunion coming out of this, but it definitely lit a fire under Maiden imo.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 06, 2017, 03:05:32 PM
I don't really wan't to see more of the MP vs DT thing, but I do think, as some of you have said, that great things can come out of competition. To give another example, just look at how Megadeth was created. Mustaine was fired from Metallica and he hated the guys so much for that, that he wanted to make a heavier, faster, more agressive band, and he surely did.  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 06, 2017, 03:56:19 PM
@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Music is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..

I am not sure I agree with that, generally speaking. 

Hearing the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds made Paul McCartney want to one-up them with Sgt. Pepper, for example.

Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, so long as it comes from a good place (wanting to make better music for the thrill of it, not out of spite or anger).
Great example, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Derek has always come off as a classy guy, I see him trying to invoke a friendly competition with DT and I find it exciting. If this project lives up to the hype, DT will be motivated to do something even better.

I think competition often leads to better products

Anyone else remember WWF vs. WCW Monday nights?  That produced some of the best wrestling from either brand and it went downhill once WWF won that battle. 

I didn't really think of this as competition though, just figured it was a musical direction Portnoy wanted to return to.  But if it turns out to be them and DT battling it out for best prog metal band?  So be it, I think we will all be treated to some awesome music.  I just hope it's due to wanting to be the best, not to get back at your old band mates or something.  Positivity not negativity is what I'd want from both sides.
Yup. And if it was to get back at old band mates then the music would inevitably not be very good. Like you said, it sounds like this was a natural progression for MP. The competition is just a bonus.

Another example: This is like when Bruce Dickinson started making metal again. I'm not implying there's a reunion coming out of this, but it definitely lit a fire under Maiden imo.

My point wasn't that certain situation (like competition) cannot end up being (after hundred of things that actually make the music happen) the initial point to a great album or band.. What I'm trying to say is that these kind of feelings (like competitiveness) doesn't necessarily bring inspiration to the musician, and I think is safe to say that have either nothing to do with the compositional process that really ends up making the music.. I'm neither saying that feelings cannot inspire in some way, because they often do.. What instead I think is that to be motivated because you must "win" a band battle won't be followed by quality music, unless you are a quality musician already..

All those examples don't prove that competition produce better music, but (at best) only that the musicians involved in it were capable of making that better music..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: erwinrafael on August 06, 2017, 11:51:44 PM
Happy for Jeff Scott Soto. Ron Thal is ok, kinda hoping something more along the lines of Bruce Kulick.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
https://proglodytes.com/2017/08/04/interview-with-derek-sherinian-dream-theater-planet-x-and-sons-of-apollo/

Derek is making the band out to be the Us vs Them kinda thing...

Exactly what I thought of when I read it. Also, I didn't really like the way he talked about Jordan, makig it sound like he and JP are just cyborgs, but that's another topic of discussion. What I do find funny is the fact that he talks about his relationship with Mike as if they were always the best music partners ever, when, in reality, Mike was one of the first people to want to replace Derek with Jordan, he's even said multiple times (and in the last few years) that he still thinks it was a good call to fire him. I don't think Derek is considering all the facts here.

Why not let the guy that was IN the moment make that call?    We have no idea what was ACTUALLY said, what was ACTUALLY discussed, and what the ACTUAL emotions were at the time (or now).   If that's how Derek sees it, he was there, he had a front row seat.   He may or may not be weighing each fact at the same weight, but that's his prerogative, isn't it?

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Also, something that I haven't seem discussed here is that this is, according to Mike, his new "main band"... which he also said for AMOB at first (see how that turned out) and, later, TWD (inactive since 2015 and now in hiatus for, at least, a couple more years). I do wonder if SOA will be a real priority for him if he's gonna treat it as just another band he's in for now. The potential for this band being big is already there, I hope Mike decides to do something with that.

I called TWD right at the get go, and that's not because Mike decided it wasn't a real priority.  That was because Richie decided he wanted to do something different.  He always struck me as a solo guy who dabbles in bands, as opposed to a guy that wants to be in bands and did some solo stuff on the side.    As for AMOB, well, I can't speak for that, as I've not heard anything specific about it, but one can speculate that it didn't go in a direction that Mike wanted it to, and I think it's VERY telling - to the point of being the only real point that matters - that Mike has made clear that THIS is not only his priority, but that he's back in terms of being "band leader".  He didn't lead AMOB (I believe that is Mike Orlando) and he's not really the main guy in TWD either (I believe that TWD are at the whim of Richie Kotzen). 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2017, 08:24:21 AM
I was not taking this as another opportunity to say something bad about Mike or anything like that, I just pointed that, as Kev said, he has a track record of saying "this (insert Mike's new band name here) is going to be my main band/priority", and, after a while, it just doesn't work that way. It's not a bad thing that he doesn't just stick to one band, in fact, I admire the guy for releasing that many albums with so many different bands/people in a short period of time, I just think we can't take his word when he says something like that, because he has a history that says otherwise.

About TWD being inactive sonce 2015, I was mistaken about that, since I don't really like the band and haven't followed them too closely, but I do know their live album was recorded a long time ago, so  it's not like they've been too active anyway, they just didn't release it before. I even read an interview with Kotzen where he said that even though he really likes TWD, he'll always focus more on his solo careeer, because that's what he likes to do more, and that's totally fine.

I do hope SOA becomes a priority for them, and not just another side project.

I mean this politely, but if you and Kev are going to criticize Mike and Derek for "fact selection" then you are going to ignore that AMOB and TWD were/are not "mike led bands" and therefore not his to decide how they roll and whether they roll, then you're kind of guilty of the same crime.   As I noted above, Mike (and Marlene, at the time) saw Amob as a sort of "Disturbed", which was a serious, focused metal outfit. I don't at all think that they envisioned the sort of camp and parody that it became.  It is (as I understand it) Orlando and Allen's band, NOT Portnoy's, so it can hardly be Mike's fault if it didn't turn out the way he would have needed it to for him to commit more meaningfully.  As for TWD, well, when your singer/guitar player/main songwriter decides he has other priorities, well, again, not really Mike's fault.  I think he really DID commit to TWD as if it was a main, long term project.  I also think that his statement that he is back as "band leader" for Sons of Apollo is meaningful, in relation to your comments. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2017, 08:30:46 AM
@Mosh - Actually, no.. That's not how it works or should've work.. Music is no competition, and inspiration doesn't come from it.. Only the fans who wanna see more of the MP vs DT bs would "win" with something like that..

I disagree with that to a degree.  There has been some great, great music made from people with something to prove, and a little healthy competition or creative tension can do wonders for a band.   The Stones.   Much of the Stones catalogue after 1975 is a reaction by either Mick or Keith to top something the other has done.    I don't think you can say that there wasn't at least a LITTLE "fuck you!" in the creation of Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules versus Blizzard of Ozz/Diary of a Madman.   

Slightly different circumstances, but the 90's Yes catalogue is often a result of some friendly (and not so friendly) competition.   Megadeth's entire career has been built on the "not at all friendly" competition with Metallica.    Van Halen; I think ADKOT is a direct result of Dave saying "I have something to prove here!".  Pink Floyd.   

It's not that the MUSIC ITSELF is the basis of the competition, but I absolutely do agree that from a human standpoint, when some people get pushed up against the wall and find themselves in a competitive environment, it affects what they're doing, and often for the positive.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2017, 08:35:47 AM
My point wasn't that certain situation (like competition) cannot end up being (after hundred of things that actually make the music happen) the initial point to a great album or band.. What I'm trying to say is that these kind of feelings (like competitiveness) doesn't necessarily bring inspiration to the musician, and I think is safe to say that have either nothing to do with the compositional process that really ends up making the music.. I'm neither saying that feelings cannot inspire in some way, because they often do.. What instead I think is that to be motivated because you must "win" a band battle won't be followed by quality music, unless you are a quality musician already..

All those examples don't prove that competition produce better music, but (at best) only that the musicians involved in it were capable of making that better music..

Isn't that up to the people involved?   All people are motivated by different things; sometimes even against their will.   Not music, but Phil Simms is a great example; he hated his coach - Bill Parcells - at the time because Parcells was mercilous in how he pushed Phil.  Now?  Phil readily admits that even though he didn't like it at all, Parcells made him a far better player than he ever would have been without him.   Meanwhile, Lawrence Taylor (on the same team) was allowed to party, and hang with hookers and blow even the night before games, because that's how LT came ready to play.   Trying to "chain him down" didn't work and stifled his playing instinct.  So Parcells let him have his head.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2017, 08:38:34 AM
I was not taking this as another opportunity to say something bad about Mike or anything like that, I just pointed that, as Kev said, he has a track record of saying "this (insert Mike's new band name here) is going to be my main band/priority", and, after a while, it just doesn't work that way. It's not a bad thing that he doesn't just stick to one band, in fact, I admire the guy for releasing that many albums with so many different bands/people in a short period of time, I just think we can't take his word when he says something like that, because he has a history that says otherwise.

About TWD being inactive sonce 2015, I was mistaken about that, since I don't really like the band and haven't followed them too closely, but I do know their live album was recorded a long time ago, so  it's not like they've been too active anyway, they just didn't release it before. I even read an interview with Kotzen where he said that even though he really likes TWD, he'll always focus more on his solo careeer, because that's what he likes to do more, and that's totally fine.

I do hope SOA becomes a priority for them, and not just another side project.

I mean this politely, but if you and Kev are going to criticize Mike and Derek for "fact selection" then you are going to ignore that AMOB and TWD were/are not "mike led bands" and therefore not his to decide how they roll and whether they roll, then you're kind of guilty of the same crime.   As I noted above, Mike (and Marlene, at the time) saw Amob as a sort of "Disturbed", which was a serious, focused metal outfit. I don't at all think that they envisioned the sort of camp and parody that it became.  It is (as I understand it) Orlando and Allen's band, NOT Portnoy's, so it can hardly be Mike's fault if it didn't turn out the way he would have needed it to for him to commit more meaningfully.  As for TWD, well, when your singer/guitar player/main songwriter decides he has other priorities, well, again, not really Mike's fault.  I think he really DID commit to TWD as if it was a main, long term project.  I also think that his statement that he is back as "band leader" for Sons of Apollo is meaningful, in relation to your comments. 
The things you point out are fair.  Maybe they mean something, and maybe not.  But it is also fair to point out that, as Kev said, there is indeed a pattern.  If Mike wasn't in control of the situation, then maybe he shouldn't have spouted off about those other projects being full time and his "main thing," or whatever language he used.  Maybe the factors you mentioned do make this project distinct from those others.  Then again, maybe not.  It's not unfair to observe a pattern and be skeptical until Mike and/or the passage of time proves otherwise.  That's absolutely fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Vakaren on August 07, 2017, 08:52:20 AM
For myself, I'm not interested in "public" competition between DT and MP.  If wanting to one up DT is motivation for MP and DS, and as a result they produce a better album, that's great.  They could do it without bringing DT into it in interviews, etc.  If they can't, and they actually need some kind of public feud to bring out the best in themselves creatively, so be it, but I hope DT doesn't participate in it.  Right now I'm just saying if - basing on what others are saying about competition.  I don't know that MP actually wants to start something.  That 3 part interview he recently did was great and I hope he keeps up with the positivity.  Derek's interview - I don't know if it was really "us vs them" but I think it was purposely over the top (which I think he can be).  The JR/JP cyborg comment was unnecessary.  Claiming that MP invented prog metal - definitely over the top.  Not even MP would say that. 

If they go down the road of trying to compete or draw blabbermouth headlines, etc, I hope DT just continues to do what they do and that they disregard it. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2017, 09:00:44 AM
I was not taking this as another opportunity to say something bad about Mike or anything like that, I just pointed that, as Kev said, he has a track record of saying "this (insert Mike's new band name here) is going to be my main band/priority", and, after a while, it just doesn't work that way. It's not a bad thing that he doesn't just stick to one band, in fact, I admire the guy for releasing that many albums with so many different bands/people in a short period of time, I just think we can't take his word when he says something like that, because he has a history that says otherwise.

About TWD being inactive sonce 2015, I was mistaken about that, since I don't really like the band and haven't followed them too closely, but I do know their live album was recorded a long time ago, so  it's not like they've been too active anyway, they just didn't release it before. I even read an interview with Kotzen where he said that even though he really likes TWD, he'll always focus more on his solo careeer, because that's what he likes to do more, and that's totally fine.

I do hope SOA becomes a priority for them, and not just another side project.

I mean this politely, but if you and Kev are going to criticize Mike and Derek for "fact selection" then you are going to ignore that AMOB and TWD were/are not "mike led bands" and therefore not his to decide how they roll and whether they roll, then you're kind of guilty of the same crime.   As I noted above, Mike (and Marlene, at the time) saw Amob as a sort of "Disturbed", which was a serious, focused metal outfit. I don't at all think that they envisioned the sort of camp and parody that it became.  It is (as I understand it) Orlando and Allen's band, NOT Portnoy's, so it can hardly be Mike's fault if it didn't turn out the way he would have needed it to for him to commit more meaningfully.  As for TWD, well, when your singer/guitar player/main songwriter decides he has other priorities, well, again, not really Mike's fault.  I think he really DID commit to TWD as if it was a main, long term project.  I also think that his statement that he is back as "band leader" for Sons of Apollo is meaningful, in relation to your comments. 
The things you point out are fair.  Maybe they mean something, and maybe not.  But it is also fair to point out that, as Kev said, there is indeed a pattern.  If Mike wasn't in control of the situation, then maybe he shouldn't have spouted off about those other projects being full time and his "main thing," or whatever language he used.  Maybe the factors you mentioned do make this project distinct from those others.  Then again, maybe not.  It's not unfair to observe a pattern and be skeptical until Mike and/or the passage of time proves otherwise.  That's absolutely fair game as far as I'm concerned.

Patterns ARE fair game, no question.  No argument.  I think here, though, the pattern isn't "Mike bloviating about serious bands being the full time commitment then blowing it off and moving on to something else", I think the pattern is "Mike trusting others are as committed as he is to the cause".   Look, I'm not being a Mike apologist here; I'm BAFFLED that he didn't see the Kotzen thing coming.  I'm an idiot, and the first thing I said when they were talking about it being a "main thing" was "why are Mike and Bill putting their eggs in the Kotzen basket?  I don't see him AT ALL committing to this long term.". 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2017, 09:09:11 AM
I think here, though, the pattern isn't "Mike bloviating about serious bands being the full time commitment then blowing it off and moving on to something else"

Absent the "blowing off" part, which I don't think anybody was saying anyway, I think that's EXACTLY the pattern people are observing.  And I also think it is entirely accurate.  Now maybe there are plenty of distinguishing factors that should be taken into account, and maybe they include the ones you mentioned.  Fair enough.  But the pattern is still there regardless.  And that isn't necessarily a "negative" either.  It just is what it is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 07, 2017, 09:48:24 AM
Well, Mike has always been a "speak first, think later" person, and I do think he meant what he said about these bands being his main thing. However, if we talk about AMOB, for example, when Rich Ward and Paul DiLeo quit, even before the album was released, Mike was like "Yeah, no big deal, the core has always been MO, RA and me, only the three of us", but, later, when he quit, he turned it to be something like "Orlando and Allen were the main guys there" (none of these were his exact words, I just remember things happening that way, and I could be wrong about it".

I do believe Mike and Derek when they say this is going to be their main thing now, but I just don't see this happening with people as busy as Billy Sheehan or even Mike himself.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2017, 09:54:52 AM
Oh, I believe him that he believes it as well.  I think he believed what he said in the past as well.  Again, I don't think there is any fault or blame here.  Just observation that he has said things like this in the past when maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to say it, and that, again, what ultimately happened was different. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: YtseJamittaja on August 07, 2017, 11:23:49 AM
Mike should go away from his comfort zone. I mean, his all projects are prog, metal or rock and always with his well known friends (Neal, Billy, Derek...). He should do some project with much more variety of musicians. What could be for example Dream Theater/Pendulum/Periphery/Coldplay style project? I would love to hear some electronic music from MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
Why "should" he?  I don't see why "should" even comes into it.  If he isn't interested in a particular type of music, I'm not sure why anyone would want to hear him (or anyone else) do it.  He "should" do what he likes, which is presumably what he is doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 07, 2017, 02:43:11 PM
Why "should" he?  I don't see why "should" even comes into it.  If he isn't interested in a particular type of music, I'm not sure why anyone would want to hear him (or anyone else) do it.  He "should" do what he likes, which is presumably what he is doing.

Exactly.... He should do what he wants to do and not care too much about what the fans want. If playing with about the same group of peoples brings him happiness then I am all for it. And if I then happen to like the music they put out that is a bonus.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 07, 2017, 04:09:25 PM
And even if Mike did, you know half of his fans would whine and moan about it. Look at Steven Wilson "going out of his comfort zone", and see what's happening there. Just because someone is doing mostly the same thing with a lot of their albums and projects doesn't mean they *should* do something else. No one is going to force anyone to listen to anything by a single artist. Artists will, and should do what THEY want, fans be damned. Mike has always had a fondness for his fans, through good and bad, but he strikes me as the kind of guy who will still do things his way, the way he wants, be it between him and his fans, or him and his bands.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 04:12:49 PM
I got to think there's only a small amount of fans that want to see MP doing electronic music

But I do think that working outside your comfort zone does help you grow, however, I don't see any reason MP "should" do that.  He "should" do what he wants and clearly that is a prog metal band with people he's worked with before.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2017, 04:22:30 PM
Artists will, and should do what THEY want, fans be damned.

Well, no, that's not what I was saying at all, and that's WAY too extreme.  Most successful artists understand that they are where they are because of the fans, so they aren't going to turn completely indifferent to the fans that put them where they are.  But that isn't what I was talking about.  What I was addressing is the audacity of some fans to demand that an artist go far outside the norm and do something that is not remotely like anything the artist has ever done, simply to indulge the whim of said fans who can't be bothered to appreciate the artist's work for what it is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 07, 2017, 05:10:53 PM
Artists will, and should do what THEY want, fans be damned.

Well, no, that's not what I was saying at all, and that's WAY too extreme.  Most successful artists understand that they are where they are because of the fans, so they aren't going to turn completely indifferent to the fans that put them where they are.  But that isn't what I was talking about.  What I was addressing is the audacity of some fans to demand that an artist go far outside the norm and do something that is not remotely like anything the artist has ever done, simply to indulge the whim of said fans who can't be bothered to appreciate the artist's work for what it is.

Pardon my misunderstanding then, but I still do agree with your points here at any rate. Some fans can feel so entitled some times, and can be easily offended when a celebrity does just ONE thing wrong or different than what fans expect. We can all like and appreciate different things that our favorite artists and celebrities do, but demanding anything from them seems quite foolish, especially for an artist like Mike, who has actually done a lot for his fans over the years. I never would have dreamed of owning "drum videos" of behind-the-scenes footage from studio sessions, but here I am, with over a dozen MP videos of his drumming, because he knows his fans will like it, so he puts it out there for his fans to enjoy.

As for MP doing electronic stuff, I don't really see it happening. He is firmly rooted in rock and roll, from his earliest influences to his current social circles. The most out-of-his-comfort-zone I've seen him really get is probably doing stuff with Neal Morse, like some of the covers they do, which, while still fundamentally all rock and roll, are pretty unusual choices for a man who champions progressive rock and metal. I think if he were to do anything electronic, it would probably be purely in a production sense, and not really performing, though I don't really see him as "just a producer" when he seems to enjoy playing so much (with exception of his work with Next To None). Maybe after he retires from drumming, he may produce albums, which would be neat.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2017, 05:15:22 PM
And I don't disagree with any of that, Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 07, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
My point wasn't that certain situation (like competition) cannot end up being (after hundred of things that actually make the music happen) the initial point to a great album or band.. What I'm trying to say is that these kind of feelings (like competitiveness) doesn't necessarily bring inspiration to the musician, and I think is safe to say that have either nothing to do with the compositional process that really ends up making the music.. I'm neither saying that feelings cannot inspire in some way, because they often do.. What instead I think is that to be motivated because you must "win" a band battle won't be followed by quality music, unless you are a quality musician already..

All those examples don't prove that competition produce better music, but (at best) only that the musicians involved in it were capable of making that better music..

Isn't that up to the people involved?   All people are motivated by different things; sometimes even against their will.   Not music, but Phil Simms is a great example; he hated his coach - Bill Parcells - at the time because Parcells was mercilous in how he pushed Phil.  Now?  Phil readily admits that even though he didn't like it at all, Parcells made him a far better player than he ever would have been without him.   Meanwhile, Lawrence Taylor (on the same team) was allowed to party, and hang with hookers and blow even the night before games, because that's how LT came ready to play.   Trying to "chain him down" didn't work and stifled his playing instinct.  So Parcells let him have his head.     

Again, your examples are no different than the others.. They just describe situations were there was some kind of competition going on, and the final result was better than before.. What you're missing is that that final result is not only possible due to that initial motivation.. First, as you're saying, motivation can come from many different places, but second and third and etc you should have all the elements that you need to do what you're trying to do.. In the music field that would be, besides the motivation, the talent, the patience, the time, the equipment, etc, to actually make the music happen.. You won't need all of them, but at least some of these and many others things (whether physical or psychical) will probably guide you to make good music.. Not competition just for the sake of it.. If a person manages to create something beautiful after getting angry with someone, the magic was all along within that person, and not in that unnamed negative feeling..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 07, 2017, 10:01:57 PM
Well that seems a bit silly. Obviously one factor alone doesn't make anything good.

Just like a strong desire to make great music won't result in anything good.

I think the assumption is that under the right circumstances, along with the proper talent and everything else, competition CAN be a very good thing.


No one is actually arguing that all you need is competition and nothing else to automatically create brilliant music.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 07, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Well that seems a bit silly. Obviously one factor alone doesn't make anything good.

Just like a strong desire to make great music won't result in anything good.

I think the assumption is that under the right circumstances, along with the proper talent and everything else, competition CAN be a very good thing.


No one is actually arguing that all you need is competition and nothing else to automatically create brilliant music.

As silly as it seems, but several have been giving examples that indicate they think that way.. Or, at least, that they think that competition is the main factor to bring something fresh and better to the table..

Also, the quotes I've made don't implicate that it CAN be a good thing, but that IT IS (maybe always, even regardless the particular cases and the little things that may hamper the production of that music) something good and preferable..

Not saying everyone thinks that way either, just what I think of what I've been reading here.. I guess ambiguity says hi, and that includes me too apparently..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 08, 2017, 07:56:04 AM
My point wasn't that certain situation (like competition) cannot end up being (after hundred of things that actually make the music happen) the initial point to a great album or band.. What I'm trying to say is that these kind of feelings (like competitiveness) doesn't necessarily bring inspiration to the musician, and I think is safe to say that have either nothing to do with the compositional process that really ends up making the music.. I'm neither saying that feelings cannot inspire in some way, because they often do.. What instead I think is that to be motivated because you must "win" a band battle won't be followed by quality music, unless you are a quality musician already..

All those examples don't prove that competition produce better music, but (at best) only that the musicians involved in it were capable of making that better music..

Isn't that up to the people involved?   All people are motivated by different things; sometimes even against their will.   Not music, but Phil Simms is a great example; he hated his coach - Bill Parcells - at the time because Parcells was mercilous in how he pushed Phil.  Now?  Phil readily admits that even though he didn't like it at all, Parcells made him a far better player than he ever would have been without him.   Meanwhile, Lawrence Taylor (on the same team) was allowed to party, and hang with hookers and blow even the night before games, because that's how LT came ready to play.   Trying to "chain him down" didn't work and stifled his playing instinct.  So Parcells let him have his head.     

Again, your examples are no different than the others.. They just describe situations were there was some kind of competition going on, and the final result was better than before.. What you're missing is that that final result is not only possible due to that initial motivation.. First, as you're saying, motivation can come from many different places, but second and third and etc you should have all the elements that you need to do what you're trying to do.. In the music field that would be, besides the motivation, the talent, the patience, the time, the equipment, etc, to actually make the music happen.. You won't need all of them, but at least some of these and many others things (whether physical or psychical) will probably guide you to make good music.. Not competition just for the sake of it.. If a person manages to create something beautiful after getting angry with someone, the magic was all along within that person, and not in that unnamed negative feeling..

I agreed with everything you said up to the last sentence.   There are many examples of that "negative" (your word; it's subjective) feeling being the catalyst for great work that the artist never quite lives up to again.   One could argue that Roger Waters owes his whole legendary status to "negative feelings" that permeate his work.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 08, 2017, 09:10:30 AM
For myself, I'm not interested in "public" competition between DT and MP.  If wanting to one up DT is motivation for MP and DS, and as a result they produce a better album, that's great.  They could do it without bringing DT into it in interviews, etc.  If they can't, and they actually need some kind of public feud to bring out the best in themselves creatively, so be it, but I hope DT doesn't participate in it.  Right now I'm just saying if - basing on what others are saying about competition.  I don't know that MP actually wants to start something.  That 3 part interview he recently did was great and I hope he keeps up with the positivity.  Derek's interview - I don't know if it was really "us vs them" but I think it was purposely over the top (which I think he can be).  The JR/JP cyborg comment was unnecessary.  Claiming that MP invented prog metal - definitely over the top.  Not even MP would say that. 

If they go down the road of trying to compete or draw blabbermouth headlines, etc, I hope DT just continues to do what they do and that they disregard it.

I don't think DT thinks of it as a competition.  They are an established band for almost 30 years, they have nothing to prove. Sons of Apollo are a group of individuals.  With their age, there is no way they will ever reach DT's longevity. Two of the member's claim to fame is that they USED to be in the successful band they are competing with. To add to that DT does not want them anymore, so maybe DS and MP share a bond and feel slighted.

Anyhow, should make for some nice forum discussions. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 08, 2017, 10:54:18 AM
There are many examples of that "negative" (your word; it's subjective) feeling being the catalyst for great work that the artist never quite lives up to again.   One could argue that Roger Waters owes his whole legendary status to "negative feelings" that permeate his work.

Exactly that's the part which I disagree with.. I'd never think he owes it to a feeling, whether be negative or positive.. he owes it to his talent first and foremost... Only then, yeah, circumstances and reactions to them can be helpful; but if you don't have the ears and hands to translate it to music, those circumstances and reactions are useless to the cause.. As obvious as it may sound, to not give up in making art you must be an artist first, and being capable of manage precisely those kind of situations.. Is not that what art is about in the end?.. Translate internal senses and thoughts (well, knowledge too) into a piece of work?..

So, I disagree that competition (or whatever else that can be the "catalyst for great work") is the main factor to be a better musician or artist.. But there's another thing though that I find weird about what you're all saying, and it took me this long to realize what's that.. Now I see it.. Is the redundancy of your argument.. Art is [among other not mutually exclusive definitions] a way to express feelings and emotions, so is obvious that to be an artist, first you'd need to have those two.. But that's like saying that you'd need arms and fingers or to be alive in order to make music..


I don't think DT thinks of it as a competition.  They are an established band for almost 30 years, they have nothing to prove. Sons of Apollo are a group of individuals.  With their age, there is no way they will ever reach DT's longevity. Two of the member's claim to fame is that they USED to be in the successful band they are competing with. To add to that DT does not want them anymore, so maybe DS and MP share a bond and feel slighted.

Anyhow, should make for some nice forum discussions. :)

Absolutely..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 08, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
There are many examples of that "negative" (your word; it's subjective) feeling being the catalyst for great work that the artist never quite lives up to again.   One could argue that Roger Waters owes his whole legendary status to "negative feelings" that permeate his work.

Exactly that's the part which I disagree with.. I'd never think he owes it to a feeling, whether be negative or positive.. he owes it to his talent first and foremost... Only then, yeah, circumstances and reactions to them can be helpful; but if you don't have the ears and hands to translate it to music, those circumstances and reactions are useless to the cause.. As obvious as it may sound, to not give up in making art you must be an artist first, and being capable of manage precisely those kind of situations.. Is not that what art is about in the end?.. Translate internal senses and thoughts (well, knowledge too) into a piece of work?..


So why does Taylor Swift or better yet Christina Aguilera and Demi Lovato (both EXCELLENT singers) get dismissed as "vapid pop tarts" and Leonard Cohen or better yet Patti Smith get lauded as legends?   

Look, we can argue this all day and neither one of us is totally right (and it's not provable even if we are).  I believe that talent isn't enough.  I think you need that edge, and for all people it's different.  Waters gets his inspiration writing about dark subjects that touch him, often negatively (you'll never convince me that Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall, or The Final Cut were borne of JUST talent and have nothing to owe to his emotional state at the time of writing).   It's not a coincidence that even the band members will say that the emotional complexity around the band and the competitive, jealous nature of the parties was a big part of why Rumours is arguably the best Fleetwood Mac album ever, and arguably one of the best albums by any band ever.   

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So, I disagree that competition (or whatever else that can be the "catalyst for great work") is the main factor to be a better musician or artist.. But there's another thing though that I find weird about what you're all saying, and it took me this long to realize what's that.. Now I see it.. Is the redundancy of your argument.. Art is [among other not mutually exclusive definitions] a way to express feelings and emotions, so is obvious that to be an artist, first you'd need to have those two.. But that's like saying that you'd need arms and fingers or to be alive in order to make music..

I don't follow that.  And by the way, you DON'T need arms and fingers to make music (Jason Becker).  You don't need emotion, either; I doubt the guy writing jingles for commercials, or music under the voiceovers on reality TV are driven by anything purely emotional.   I'm only saying that for SOME PEOPLE, the difference between "good" music and "great" music is sometimes those emotions that we from the outside view as "bad" or "harmful", like "competitiveness". 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 08, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
So why does Taylor Swift or better yet Christina Aguilera and Demi Lovato (both EXCELLENT singers) get dismissed as "vapid pop tarts" and Leonard Cohen or better yet Patti Smith get lauded as legends?   

Look, we can argue this all day and neither one of us is totally right (and it's not provable even if we are).  I believe that talent isn't enough.  I think you need that edge, and for all people it's different.  Waters gets his inspiration writing about dark subjects that touch him, often negatively (you'll never convince me that Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall, or The Final Cut were borne of JUST talent and have nothing to owe to his emotional state at the time of writing).   It's not a coincidence that even the band members will say that the emotional complexity around the band and the competitive, jealous nature of the parties was a big part of why Rumours is arguably the best Fleetwood Mac album ever, and arguably one of the best albums by any band ever.   

But I believe too that talent isn't enough.. Otherwise I wouldn't be saying that I think is the most important factor; I would simply say is the only one, but that's obviously not how it is.. As you say, no one can be totally right about this, because is purely subjective.. But just to clarify my posture, I'm not saying emotion is not important, but is far from being a "big part" of the whole process.. All those PF's albums weren't of course made of just talent, but they weren't certainly made of just inspiration or emotion, and they're not even the main elements, because then again, inspiration and emotion we all have them, but talent to make music only some.. I'm sure that band sayings were not to be taken literally, they were just being honest and telling their audience what was the real motivation behind that album..

I don't follow that.  And by the way, you DON'T need arms and fingers to make music (Jason Becker).  You don't need emotion, either; I doubt the guy writing jingles for commercials, or music under the voiceovers on reality TV are driven by anything purely emotional.   I'm only saying that for SOME PEOPLE, the difference between "good" music and "great" music is sometimes those emotions that we from the outside view as "bad" or "harmful", like "competitiveness". 

Ok, you got me there with Becker.. :lol  But about the need for emotion, I wasn't talking about commercials, but real music.. About art, not TV ads.. And about your last sentence, I absolutely agree with it.. What I was saying in that last paragraph is that, by definition, all kind of art has emotions involved in it, at different degrees obviously.. Sometimes the overload of expressed feelings into a work can make it worst (or less good than it is) and sometimes can make it better, a thing that depends too on the judge of every person..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
What a fascinatingly long conversation. Apparently there are multiple factors necessary to make great music and be a hit.


Who knew?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Stadler on August 08, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
Ok, you got me there with Becker.. :lol  But about the need for emotion, I wasn't talking about commercials, but real music.. About art, not TV ads.. And about your last sentence, I absolutely agree with it.. What I was saying in that last paragraph is that, by definition, all kind of art has emotions involved in it, at different degrees obviously.. Sometimes the overload of expressed feelings into a work can make it worst (or less good than it is) and sometimes can make it better, a thing that depends too on the judge of every person..

Whoa, who says that commercial jingles are not "art"?  Why can't they be art?   Does art "REQUIRE" emotion?  That kind of supports my position, that sometimes circumstances make for more poignant emotions.   

For the record, I don't at all believe that "art" is judged "good" or "bad" by "every person".   In my opinion, only the artist can determine if a work is "good" or "bad" (and that by how close he/she came to their vision).  All anyone else can do is say "I like it" or "I do not like it". 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 08, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
Um, we're getting way off track here.  Mike Portnoy/Sons of Appollo discussion, please.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 08, 2017, 12:51:43 PM
I wonder when they're going to release the 1st single. That's when we can really start commenting about the direction and sound of the band. Hope it's released sometime this month.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Grappler on August 08, 2017, 12:53:14 PM
I wonder when they're going to release the 1st single. That's when we can really start commenting about the direction and sound of the band. Hope it's released sometime this month.

I saw on Facebook that Portnoy was saying something would be out in late October.  If he meant the full album, we should start hearing singles soon. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 08, 2017, 01:30:52 PM
The more I listen to the samples, the more I like them. I think there's potential here for a masterpiece. Prog metal combined with classic hard rock moxie, on paper that's just what I'm most into these days. I'm pretty sure I'll prefer it to The Astonishing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ErHaO on August 08, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
Yeah, listened to the samples a couple of times and I am definitely digging it.

Portnoy's interview with Trunk sounds good to me, three epics and a bunch of smaller tracks, with the musical direction somewhere inbetween DT-esque prog metal and Van Halen-esque classic rock. I also searched up some Jeff Scott Soto material and I think he has a good voice for the genre. Not very high and belty (unlike a lot of singers in the genre) and a good sense of "groove" from what I've heard. And given some of the other members can sing too, I hope they will use that now and then (choruses, harmonies).

I also think this should be a pretty fun band to watch live.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 08, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
Yeah, listened to the samples a couple of times and I am definitely digging it.

Portnoy's interview with Trunk sounds good to me, three epics and a bunch of smaller tracks, with the musical direction somewhere inbetween DT-esque prog metal and Van Halen-esque classic rock. I also searched up some Jeff Scott Soto material and I think he has a good voice for the genre. Not very high and belty (unlike a lot of singers in the genre) and a good sense of "groove" from what I've heard. And given some of the other members can sing too, I hope they will use that now and then (choruses, harmonies).

I also think this should be a pretty fun band to watch live.

I finally got a chance to listen to their "debut" live performance and was actually kind of surprised that Soto doesn't have a higher range.  He has a great voice but I wasn't too impressed with his performance on Burn.  In fact, the whole band was kind of sloppy which I feel bad for saying because it was obviously thrown together for a tribute but hey, it is what it is.  Bumblefoot has a great voice to so I'm sure he will contribute some to the vocals...at least, I would hope he does. 

I'm curious if Soto wrote all the lyrics or if it was a shared responsibility. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: rumborak on August 08, 2017, 02:53:39 PM
One piece of criticism about the samples would be the sound. It sounds very compressed, which is a sound MP seems to go for a lot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 08, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Even Virgil can't resist to poke fun at the name. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/Qzndlzl.jpg)


Also, Derek changed his FB "describe who you are" to "Son of Apollo." He really seems to be taking this thing seriously.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 08, 2017, 03:16:06 PM
Yeah, listened to the samples a couple of times and I am definitely digging it.

Portnoy's interview with Trunk sounds good to me, three epics and a bunch of smaller tracks, with the musical direction somewhere inbetween DT-esque prog metal and Van Halen-esque classic rock. I also searched up some Jeff Scott Soto material and I think he has a good voice for the genre. Not very high and belty (unlike a lot of singers in the genre) and a good sense of "groove" from what I've heard. And given some of the other members can sing too, I hope they will use that now and then (choruses, harmonies).

I also think this should be a pretty fun band to watch live.

I finally got a chance to listen to their "debut" live performance and was actually kind of surprised that Soto doesn't have a higher range.  He has a great voice but I wasn't too impressed with his performance on Burn.  In fact, the whole band was kind of sloppy which I feel bad for saying because it was obviously thrown together for a tribute but hey, it is what it is.  Bumblefoot has a great voice to so I'm sure he will contribute some to the vocals...at least, I would hope he does. 

I'm curious if Soto wrote all the lyrics or if it was a shared responsibility.

From an interview linked somewhere here, the majority of music was composed by Portnoy/Sherinian/Ron, with Sheehan less involved. Lyrics and melodies by Sherinian/Portnoy/Soto.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 08, 2017, 04:25:25 PM
Even Virgil can't resist to poke fun at the name. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/Qzndlzl.jpg)


Also, Derek changed his FB "describe who you are" to "Son of Apollo." He really seems to be taking this thing seriously.

The prog version of Chickenfoot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 08, 2017, 05:02:13 PM


I don't think DT thinks of it as a competition.  They are an established band for almost 30 years, they have nothing to prove. Sons of Apollo are a group of individuals.  With their age, there is no way they will ever reach DT's longevity. Two of the member's claim to fame is that they USED to be in the successful band they are competing with. To add to that DT does not want them anymore, so maybe DS and MP share a bond and feel slighted.


Excellent post.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mosh on August 08, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
I'm glad Sherinian is taking it seriously. He is the MVP of the project so far for me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Sycsa on August 08, 2017, 05:32:34 PM
I don't think DT thinks of it as a competition.  They are an established band for almost 30 years, they have nothing to prove. Sons of Apollo are a group of individuals.  With their age, there is no way they will ever reach DT's longevity. Two of the member's claim to fame is that they USED to be in the successful band they are competing with. To add to that DT does not want them anymore, so maybe DS and MP share a bond and feel slighted.
(https://i.imgur.com/LqpI7lk.jpg)
I definitely get the vibe that Derek feels slighted, and they want to hit it big with SOA. Fingers crossed. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ToT-147 on August 08, 2017, 05:44:14 PM
Whoa, who says that commercial jingles are not "art"?  Why can't they be art?   Does art "REQUIRE" emotion?  That kind of supports my position, that sometimes circumstances make for more poignant emotions.   

For the record, I don't at all believe that "art" is judged "good" or "bad" by "every person".   In my opinion, only the artist can determine if a work is "good" or "bad" (and that by how close he/she came to their vision).  All anyone else can do is say "I like it" or "I do not like it".

Ok, then we think very different.. I'm glad that at least I could explain my posture and glad too that there's some that have read the whole thing only to after complain about it..

Um, we're getting way off track here.  Mike Portnoy/Sons of Appollo discussion, please.

Actually, it didn't seem by the last few posts, but we were initially discussing about a statement someone made of how the MP vs DT thing would inspire them to be better.. And yes, the discussion expanded to more general concepts, but the motive behind them was always these bands.. I don't care for any of the other bands named in the examples neither was the point to care about them..

Not that there's too much to talk about a band that has release nothing yet, but ok, let's go back to that.. ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 08, 2017, 08:01:05 PM
Even Virgil can't resist to poke fun at the name. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/Qzndlzl.jpg)


Also, Derek changed his FB "describe who you are" to "Son of Apollo." He really seems to be taking this thing seriously.
It would very cool if IceFish open to SoA :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
Oh man, a show of IceFish and Sons of Apollo?

YES PLEASE!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 08, 2017, 08:18:18 PM
Oh man, a show of IceFish and Sons of Apollo?

YES PLEASE!

Why not run with it and have the tour called The Food Court Tour.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2017, 08:20:03 PM
Bad Salad (who I....think do a ton of DT covers) can open!


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 08, 2017, 08:23:49 PM
Oh man, a show of IceFish and Sons of Apollo?

YES PLEASE!

That would be EPIC
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Schurftkut on August 09, 2017, 02:23:43 PM
10min instruMENTAL confirmed  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 09, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
10min instruMENTAL confirmed  :metal

Now you got my attention...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 09, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
10min instruMENTAL confirmed  :metal

Not thrilled by that, there's danger of serious wankery.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Fritzinger on August 09, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
10min instruMENTAL confirmed  :metal

Not thrilled by that, there's danger of serious wankery.

I'd love that .. coming from both SOA & DT since there hasn't been serious wankery on The Astonishing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 09, 2017, 07:29:45 PM
10min instruMENTAL confirmed  :metal

Where are you getting these updates from?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Schurftkut on August 09, 2017, 08:43:43 PM
Mike's comments on FB
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 09, 2017, 08:45:22 PM
I think I may have outgrown wankery for the point of wankery.


If it's cleverly composed, then I'm interested. But technical for the sake of it? Nah. Heard it all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: pogoowner on August 09, 2017, 09:43:42 PM
I think I may have outgrown wankery for the point of wankery.


If it's cleverly composed, then I'm interested. But technical for the sake of it? Nah. Heard it all.
Yeah. Major understatement as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Letter M on August 09, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Is Bumblefoot known for technical wankery, though? I'm not as musically invested in his works as others here, so it'd be interesting to see what fans of his might say about this. I'm mostly interested in hearing how MP plays up that technical music wankery with this set of musicians. He's not really had an outlet for that kind of prog metal since DT, and the closest he's come has been some heavier moments with Neal Morse, but that's not really Neal's style over-all. Flying Colors was modern rock and pop with a foot in the prog puddle, while Transatlantic was the whole body in the symphonic prog pool, but MP hasn't really dipped his sticks into a full on prog metal project lately, so hearing about a 10-minute instrumental is amazing for me.

Granted, I've not listened to a lot of progressive metal, or wankery music for that matter, in recent years, since my tastes in music have softened a bit from the hard stuff (my favorite and most listened bands lately have been Big Big Train, The Tangent, Haken, Anathema, Neal Morse, and the occasional non-prog rock band like Zeppelin and Queen). I think I was just too burned out on that kind of music after awhile, and to be honest, it's probably partly DT's fault. In the year-plus since The Astonishing has come out, I could probably count the number of times I've listened to DT (any era of it) on my fingers and toes, but I feel like with SOA, I might be ready to hear this kind of music again.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 09, 2017, 10:05:37 PM
Wanky prog metal has never really been my thing, outside of DT and by extension LTE (which was basically instrumental DT with Tony Levin on bass instead).  Haken can wank, but they really do keep it to a minimum, and the other metal artists I listen to who sometimes get the prog tag (Devin Townsend, Opeth) are not wanky at all. I will check this out, but my expectations are not high.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MirrorMask on August 10, 2017, 01:02:28 AM
Well, I had fears for Stream of Consciousness and it turned out just fine, so I hope too it's gonna be that kind of instrumental, riff driven and not, well, "wank" driven.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Lowdz on August 10, 2017, 02:55:50 AM
I'm no expert on Bumblefoot but have had a few listens to his stuff on YouTube. His instructional videos are excellent - he's got a relaxing deep voice that could do meditation tapes 😀.

He can certainly shred but the songs of his I played were songs and not widdle fests.

The fretless guitar appears to be his thing. I think he has a quirky side to him. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 10, 2017, 11:09:41 AM
From the SOA Facebook page:
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You've heard the teaser (https://youtu.be/kPN2DttzlZQ), tomorrow you'll get your first real taste...Stay Tuned! @SonsOfApollo1 #PsychoticSymphony
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 10, 2017, 11:26:30 AM
Cool I'm interested in hearing this.

I like Derek's solo albums. Specifically Mythology and Oceana. Forgot about Blood of The Snake.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: nobloodyname on August 11, 2017, 01:12:11 AM
A track, Signs of the Time, is now available on Spotify.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 11, 2017, 01:24:56 AM
Of course...when I'm at work with no headphones ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: efx on August 11, 2017, 01:39:56 AM
https://open.spotify.com/track/3McauVJBP7gRvYj6rGL0WH :)

Had a listen today. Everyone sounds good though the chorus and verses didn't do too much on a first listen. I love the middle part though, shades of the more "fusiony" parts of Derek era DT there and Bumblefoots guitar solo is mindboggling. I keep forgetting what an absolute monster he is.

I didn't really have any expectations of this going in but this is enough to make me interested in hearing more.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 11, 2017, 02:34:20 AM
Holy f****k, this song is awesome!!!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 11, 2017, 04:26:49 AM
Well, since I'm following the thread anyway, may as well post here:

LYRICS (from what I could gather):

[Verse 1:]
Beneath this poison rage
We dance upon the gravest night
This scarred humanity
We crave insanity this night (hey, yeah)

[Pre-Chorus 1:]
Through this curtain call
We'll colide & fall
We're all victimised
& dehumanised

[Chorus:]
But we hold on
More than a miracle
Will die for the praying
Hold on
The fight of our lives
Are signs of the time

[Verse 2:]
Bleeding we're gagged & bound ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
This new world terminates my soul (my soul)
Shooken(?) the loaded gun
Looking inside your vertigo (hey, yeah)

[Pre-Chorus 2:]
Sipping cyanide
Bodies damnified
Too much time to hate
Re-evaluate

[Chorus]

[Chorus-B:]
If we hold on
Something has got to give
Now hear what I'm saying
Hold on
The fight of our lives
Are signs of the time

[3 Minute Instrumental]

[Chorus A/B]
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2017, 06:10:56 AM
Youtube link for new song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLVWkqnN3Ck
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2017, 06:27:54 AM
I found the instrumental slightly overwhelming, but the rest was very interesting. I'm digging the melodies and the down-tuned riffs.  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 11, 2017, 06:31:25 AM
Officially released by the InsideOut YouTube channel

Signs of the Time by Sons of Apollo

https://youtu.be/TLVWkqnN3Ck
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 11, 2017, 06:32:23 AM
Tracklist revealed!:
1. God of the Sun
2. Coming Home
3. Signs of the Time
4. Labyrinth
5. Alive
6. Lost in Oblivion
7. Figaro's Whore [sic]
8. Divine Addiction
9. Opus Maximus

Release Date: October 20th  :metal

https://itunes.apple.com/au/album/psychotic-symphony/id1267878801?app=itunes&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2017, 06:42:17 AM
Having known nothing about Bumblefoot before this song, I gotta say, I'm impressed with that guitar playing in there.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ReaperKK on August 11, 2017, 06:43:48 AM
Thanks for the link, the Spotify link wasn't working for some reason.

Listening to this at work So my attention isn't fully on the song but here are my thoughts:

Awesome riff, awesome tone. I'm really not a fan of the vocals, they sound strained, as if he is trying really hard to sing, or maybe sing in a fashion that suits the song. DS sounds exactly like DS from FII, like his tone or sound hasn't evolved in any way, I'm not saying it's a bad thing and most artists have heir signature sound. It's funny because my only exposure to Derrick is FII so all of sudden it sounded like he was dropp into the ToT recording sessions.

My final thing to say is Ron sounds a lot like JP, that solo sounds like it could be lifted from a recent DT album.


Again nothing negative (except the vocals which really don't do it for me), I think this is MP project appeals to me more than anything else he has done aside from DT but
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2017, 06:47:28 AM
Oh my God, Opus Maximus!  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: AngelBack on August 11, 2017, 06:54:45 AM
Well to me that is the best song I've  heard from any of MP's new projects since he left DT.  Happy Happy  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zydar on August 11, 2017, 06:58:10 AM
Pretty good song, and I get serious FII vibes in the instrumental section.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2017, 07:01:36 AM
That song was pretty cool, nothing groundbreaking, but enjoyable overall.

Having known nothing about Bumblefoot before this song, I gotta say, I'm impressed with that guitar playing in there.

I'm totally with you on that one wolf, he sounded really good on this track.

Awesome riff, awesome tone. I'm really not a fan of the vocals, they sound strained, as if he is trying really hard to sing, or maybe sing in a fashion that suits the song. DS sounds exactly like DS from FII, like his tone or sound hasn't evolved in any way, I'm not saying it's a bad thing and most artists have heir signature sound. It's funny because my only exposure to Derrick is FII so all of sudden it sounded like he was dropp into the ToT recording sessions.

My final thing to say is Ron sounds a lot like JP, that solo sounds like it could be lifted from a recent DT album.

I totally agree he sounded a lot like JP on that solo, like a lot. Obviously that's not a bad thing, just an observation. As for DS and that FII sound, I totally agree with you that he sounds exactly like he did on FII and, for me, that's great I loved those sounds.

The vocals were kinda just there for me. Clearly well sung, I liked the verses okay, but the chorus didn't do much for me. Billy's bass tone is not my cup of tea and that holds true on this track.

Lastly, the production sounds decent, but a bit of a let down. The mix sounds totally tapped out in a couple places. MP's drums are refreshingly present and clear though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Art on August 11, 2017, 07:03:01 AM
This song's freaking awesome. Excellent sound and production.

DAT SOLO. DAT MID SECTION. THAT HOOK.

Me likes it!  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Schurftkut on August 11, 2017, 07:06:03 AM
i dig the logo, huge Queen influence of course.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 11, 2017, 07:17:40 AM
Really beautiful album cover👍👍👍
Very good song, the instrumental section is perfect!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Metropolaris on August 11, 2017, 07:31:40 AM
Youtube link for new song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLVWkqnN3Ck

"Roots, Bloody Rooots..."

Not impressed at all upon my first listen. Jeff's voice still is doing nothing for me. Derek solo was cool, definitely reminds me of his solo in Burning My Soul. Didn't care for Bumblefoot's solo. It's started ok then turned into wanky bullshit. Mike's drumming was nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing surprised me, but I do feel his drums were a bit high in the mix, especially the snare which was so loud to the point it was distracting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2017, 07:37:13 AM
Not impressed at all upon my first listen. Jeff's voice still is doing nothing for me. Derek solo was cool, definitely reminds me of his solo in Burning My Soul. Didn't care for Bumblefoot's solo. It's started ok then turned into wanky bullshit. Mike's drumming was nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing surprised me, but I do feel his drums were a bit high in the mix, especially the snare which was so loud to the point it was distracting.

I just listened again and I tend to agree about the guitar solo. My initial thought was that it was cool but upon second listen, it kinda loses focus and steam at a point where it probably should have just ended.

I personally think most MP projects mix the drums a little too high, so this one seems to be no exception. His snare sounds a little different here to my ears. I'm guessing he's using his sig as he always does, but for some reason in this mix it's a little less pleasing to my ears.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: FOXAN03 on August 11, 2017, 07:38:23 AM
This song's freaking awesome. Excellent sound and production.

DAT SOLO. DAT MID SECTION. THAT HOOK.

Me likes it!  :metal

This  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: goo-goo on August 11, 2017, 07:48:44 AM
Love MP's snare sound (a bit too high) but he's always had a great snare sound.

So far so good. I've missed Derek's FII keyboard sound and I love that it made a comeback.

Still not sold on Jeff's vocals. For me, when I first discovered DT, the drums and the vocals is what did it for me (JLB and MP). Weird listening to Jeff.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: kaos2900 on August 11, 2017, 07:52:26 AM
Solid song though I'm not sold of the vocals either. This should have been MP's collaboration with Russell Allen.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 11, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
The sound is pretty good overall but the song is prog-by-numbers with a good dash of obvious FII derivation, and I don't like the lyrics at all, thematically they are bad and grammatically/narratively they don't make a lot of sense in some places.

Great to hear Mike and Derek as always, and I always liked JSS, my husband got me hooked on Ron Thal's stuff and he sounds exactly as tasteful as I would have expected on this project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2017, 08:05:53 AM
Eh, song isn't very interesting minus some cool solos.  I'll probably still check out the album, there's definitely potential for this band, but the vocals aren't winning me over.  I'll need to listen more to get into them and there's like no hook in this song, nothing catchy, nothing that will make me want to come back to it essentially.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 11, 2017, 08:06:41 AM
From the label webpage:

Mike comments: "Signs Of The Time was the very first thing myself, Derek & Bumblefoot wrote when we got together to begin writing for Sons Of Apollo in March of this year.

It starts with this heavy, brutal Bumbleriff (initally coined "Korntera"), then goes into a cool verse with a 2-Pt vocal melody that I wrote sung by Jeff and myself...which eventually opens up to a HUGE vocal hook in the chorus that Jeff wrote (sung in 3-Pt harmony by Jeff, myself and Bumblefoot)

The middle section riffs are a few things that Derek brought in and show why he is the most BADASS keyboard player in the biz (playing the keys like a guitar player on fire!) and then we have the long extended breakdown and guitar solo which shows why Bumblefoot is one of today's greatest GUITAR HEROES! This album is going to get him the recognition he truly deserves and this particular guitar solo is one of the tastiest, most insane solos I've EVER heard...

So all in all, this song has a little bit of everything that makes Sons Of Apollo so special...great heavy riffs, amazing solos with individual instrumental virtuosity and a big, catchy chorus with more hooks than a tackle box!!

I figured this would be a great "first taste" to introduce the world to this amazing new supergroup...and there's a whole lot more of different musical styles and twist & turns still to come all throughout the album..."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 11, 2017, 08:15:54 AM
Well I have to say that after Your comments I can't wait to hear that track. I'm coming home now and turn it on  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 08:25:07 AM
Wow, despite the players, this does not sound like what I was expecting.  I like this.  Can't really comment TOO specifically after only a couple of listens this morning, but a few thoughts:

The riffage is what is probably the most different and makes this song stand out the most.  It is an interesting sound to go with the melodic vocals by JSS and the more "standard" prog metal instrumentation that Mike, Billy, and Derek provide to go along with it. 

JSS's singing is really good.  He is hit and miss for me (and did I mention that he can't sing Meanstreak?).  But I like what he brings to this project, at least from what I am hearing so far.  I was worried that they would bring it someone who either has range but sounds like he lacks power, like the singer from Haken, or someone who sings too harshly.  Soto seems like a really good fit.  And he is singing in his range and sounding comfortable, which I think is huge for him to be successful. 

I initially didn't get the "Derek sounds like he does on FII" vibe at all...up until his solo.  Yeah, same lead sound.  But that is part of him.  That is one of his signature sounds, and I expected it.  But the background work he does through the rest of the song doesn't give me that FII vibe at all.  The sounds he uses for those backing chords is quite tasteful and really helps set off the guitars and vocals.

Overall, good song.  Looking forward to hearing more.

i dig the logo, huge Queen influence of course.

I was thinking House of Lords, myself.  I know Derek is familiar, having done an album with them, so their logo may have intentionally or subconsciously been an inspiration.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 08:28:05 AM
Sounds a lot like Symphony X. That's not a bad thing just nothing new. The middle part sounds very FII, definitely DS's influence. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 11, 2017, 08:36:22 AM
 :o :o :o :o OMFG that track is awesome! I didn't expect that kind of riffage, the instrumental section is just mindblowing, especially Derek's.... I love it because it totally is what I wanted to hear but not believing that I will hear ;) and it even sounds very DTish, especially in second part of verse which sounds like FII ;) great job Sons Of Apollo, my awaiting for October is even more unpatient now  :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 11, 2017, 08:36:40 AM
01. God of The Sun (11:11) 
02. Coming Home (04:23) 
03. Signs of The Time (06:40) 
04. Labyrinth (09:11) 
05. Alive (05:10) 
06. Lost In Oblivion (04:38) 
07. Figaro's Whore (01:00) 
08. Divine Addiction (04:48) 
09. Opus Maximus (10:37) 
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Sons_Of_Apollo_-_Psychotic_Symphony_-Standard_CD_Jewelcase-/16368
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
Not sure if anyone can tell for sure, but is the main riff done on his fretless?  It has this slightly almost-off-key quality to it (in a good way), and I'm wondering if that's why.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 11, 2017, 08:52:10 AM
01. God of The Sun (11:11)
02. Coming Home (04:23)
03. Signs of The Time (06:40)
04. Labyrinth (09:11)
05. Alive (05:10)
06. Lost In Oblivion (04:38)
07. Figaro's Whore (01:00)
08. Divine Addiction (04:48)
09. Opus Maximus (10:37)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Sons_Of_Apollo_-_Psychotic_Symphony_-Standard_CD_Jewelcase-/16368

Already posted, minus the durations  :azn:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 08:55:19 AM
I hate to draw ANY conclusions from track lengths.  But I like that the songs are long enough to allow them to develop, but the track times aren't so overly long that it looks like they might meander all over the place.  Signs of the Time is a good example of having a song long enough to have some interesting parts and enough development to take you on a bit of a journey without overstaying its welcome. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: nobloodyname on August 11, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
Not sure if anyone can tell for sure, but is the main riff done on his fretless?  It has this slightly almost-off-key quality to it (in a good way), and I'm wondering if that's why.

I don't know what the answer is but I wondered that myself. There's just a hint of being off-key. Creates a nice tension.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: goo-goo on August 11, 2017, 09:25:18 AM
Not sure if anyone can tell for sure, but is the main riff done on his fretless?  It has this slightly almost-off-key quality to it (in a good way), and I'm wondering if that's why.

I think it is. Sounds like what Tim Donahue did with Madmen and Sinners (with JLB on vocals). He plays a fretless guitar. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 11, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
Solid song though I'm not sold of the vocals either. This should have been MP's collaboration with Russell Allen.

I'm not too familiar with Soto or Allen but Soto actually reminds me a lot of Allen...which is to say I'm not overly impressed. 

I'll echo what many people said about the FII influence.  I didn't sense it until the solo sections and that actually may have been my favorite part. 

Pretty underwhelmed but I was also getting my hopes up for the project.  I guess the track is pretty decent overall but I was expecting something more. 

The lyrics though...probably the worst part. 

Not sure if anyone can tell for sure, but is the main riff done on his fretless?  It has this slightly almost-off-key quality to it (in a good way), and I'm wondering if that's why.

I think it is. Sounds like what Tim Donahue did with Madmen and Sinners (with JLB on vocals). He plays a fretless guitar. 

I love that album.  Such a weird/cool guitar sound.  Hopefully we'll see some more with a fretless on this project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 11, 2017, 09:36:12 AM
I've listened to it a couple times, and here are some of my quick thoughts:

- Can't shake off the feeling that the opening riff sounds just like Next to None... and that's not something good (for me).

- The vocals are fine. Not wow, but not bad either, just ok. Not my cup of tea.

- I don't like Billy's playing.

- The pre chorus sounds very good.

- Nothing too crazy about the instrumental part, but I still enjoyed it.

- Derek's solos, while very cool, sound exactly like every other solo he's recorded so far.

- The guitar solo spot is a direct attempt to pull of a FII. They had a softer, jazzier part for the solo just like LITS or TOT, but this one feels forced in some way. Still, Bumblefoot is an awesome guitar player and expect more of his amazing playing on the album.

So far it's not bad, but I'm not too crazy about it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 09:41:14 AM
I'm not too familiar with Soto or Allen but Soto actually reminds me a lot of Allen...which is to say I'm not overly impressed.

If you are saying he reminds you of Allen just because his vocals aren't your thing, then...well, okay.  But I don't get any similar vibes at all.  They don't really have much in common.

Pretty underwhelmed but I was also getting my hopes up for the project.  I guess the track is pretty decent overall but I was expecting something more. 

Yeah, I get it.  And...tastes and all.  But as I said somewhere else:  "Nothing groundbreaking.  But as a first “single” and first taste of the album, I like it.  Kind of reminds me of Constant Motion in a way.  Not because it sounds like it—it doesn’t.  But just because, knowing MP and judging from the comments he made about it, it seems like a song he choose to be the initial taste because it is a driving, rocking tune to give a taste of the overall album tempo, but probably not nearly the strongest song on the album."  Not sure if that helps or not, but just a thought I had.


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 11, 2017, 10:16:11 AM
Derek and Ron are the ones I like most on this song, the rest is pretty standard prometal for me, not bad but not groundbreaking, but it could be a grower.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 11, 2017, 10:17:29 AM
I'm not too familiar with Soto or Allen but Soto actually reminds me a lot of Allen...which is to say I'm not overly impressed.

If you are saying he reminds you of Allen just because his vocals aren't your thing, then...well, okay.  But I don't get any similar vibes at all.  They don't really have much in common.

I've heard some Symphony X but don't remember it but what I know Allen from most is Adrenaline Mob.  Obviously a good vocalist but his style never suited me.  And yes, the style does remind me of Soto's.  They both have been hailed as these great vocalists but have a more bluesy tone, not an outstanding range, and just overall underwhelming for me.  This based off of the 3-4 songs I've heard of Soto's and the dozen or so I've heard from Adrenaline Mob. 

I honestly see a similarity. 

Pretty underwhelmed but I was also getting my hopes up for the project.  I guess the track is pretty decent overall but I was expecting something more. 
Yeah, I get it.  And...tastes and all.  But as I said somewhere else:  "Nothing groundbreaking.  But as a first “single” and first taste of the album, I like it.  Kind of reminds me of Constant Motion in a way.  Not because it sounds like it—it doesn’t.  But just because, knowing MP and judging from the comments he made about it, it seems like a song he choose to be the initial taste because it is a driving, rocking tune to give a taste of the overall album tempo, but probably not nearly the strongest song on the album."  Not sure if that helps or not, but just a thought I had.
It's funny you say that.  Constant Motion is one of my favorite DT songs.  Same goes for Rite of Passage (my favorite from BC&SL, not overall catalog though).  Much easier to digest for an initial taste of the album.  I totally get why they released those first. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2017, 10:17:57 AM
Pretty generic, honestly, and I listen to Circus Maximus. :D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
Shout out to really nice, signature MP cymbal work in the pre-choruses. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: BelichickFan on August 11, 2017, 10:42:23 AM
It's fine and I will get the CD but it sounds like a cross between DT and S/X to me but with far less melody and cohesiveness. The rest may be better but as a "lead single" I far preferred "Enemy Inside" to this.

As for Portnoy's comments, you would think by now even he would be tired of over hyping everything he's involved with.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
I've heard some Symphony X but don't remember it but what I know Allen from most is Adrenaline Mob.  Obviously a good vocalist but his style never suited me.  And yes, the style does remind me of Soto's.  They both have been hailed as these great vocalists but have a more bluesy tone, not an outstanding range, and just overall underwhelming for me.  This based off of the 3-4 songs I've heard of Soto's and the dozen or so I've heard from Adrenaline Mob.

That explains a lot, actually.  I'm not advocating that you should like Allen more than you do.  You are entitled to like or not like whatever you choose, and I'm not trying to persuade you.  But if your take on him as a vocalist is derived solely from Adrenaline Mob, you are getting a VERY unfairly narrow view of his singing ability.  He has an incredible range and diverse palette. 

Soto also has a pretty solid range.  I agree about the bluesy tone.  But although he is more comfortable in a high baritone range, he has a warmth and fullness that allow him to sign some nice bass when called for, and he has the range to nail to incredible high notes, as long as the songs don't call for him to stay way up in a high tenor range for a super extended period of time.  Case in point (and I know Samsara disagrees with me on this), during his brief stint in Journey, he definitely has the range where he CAN sing Journey songs, and can go even higher than what is called for by those songs.  But he really struggled because that isn't his natural range, and his voice just couldn't handle being constantly up there in that range for an entire set of material.  But he's also a very accomplished, very diverse singer, although much less diverse than Allen.  He could sing the neo-classical operatic power-metal that was called for when he sang with Yngwie.  He can do the somewhat-Broadway-ish/power metal of Transiberian.  But his comfort zone is straightforward blues-ish hard rock.

So I think both guys, but Allen ESPECIALLY, are much, MUCH more diverse singers in terms of range and style than what you have heard.  But your explanation makes sense in terms of why you think as you do.

It's funny you say that.  Constant Motion is one of my favorite DT songs.  Same goes for Rite of Passage (my favorite from BC&SL, not overall catalog though).  Much easier to digest for an initial taste of the album.  I totally get why they released those first. 

Yeah, I love Constant Motion.  At first, I thought it was so-so, but I warmed up to it quickly and it became one of my favorites.  But I think that, even among those that like it, the argument can be made that it isn't necessarily the strongest or most diverse song on the album.  It was released as the album teaser for reasons that had less to do with it being a "strong" track than just as something rocking to generate interest.  I get the sense (rightly or wrongly) that this one is in a similar vein with relation to the rest of the album.  I guess we'll see.

As for Portnoy's comments, you would think by now even he would be tired of over hyping everything he's involved with.

???  Not sure why you would think that.  He's in the business of hyping everything he's involved with.  That's what musicians do (or should do).  I don't get your point.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 11, 2017, 10:49:09 AM
My thoughts:

I love it more than I expected (not sure WHAT I expected to be honest, but it's a lot better than It could have been). It reminds me of like... FII era DT, aged 20 years, with a bit of  Symphony X sprinkled in. (I have listened to some SX on and off... over the years). I totally get the slight  Russel Allen feel, but it's slight.

And as others have said... if this is more of a straight up rocking preview of the album, and the best is yet to come, color me excite.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2017, 11:01:47 AM
The sound is pretty good overall but the song is prog-by-numbers with a good dash of obvious FII derivation, and I don't like the lyrics at all, thematically they are bad and grammatically/narratively they don't make a lot of sense in some places.

Great to hear Mike and Derek as always, and I always liked JSS, my husband got me hooked on Ron Thal's stuff and he sounds exactly as tasteful as I would have expected on this project.
Whoa, look who's back!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 11, 2017, 11:03:31 AM
Finally...took about 20 other bands to come to this. I like it.

I don't see how this would compete with DT other than MP finally releasing a project in that same style. Its exactly how I thought itd sound based on MPs metal leanings and Dereks past works.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 11, 2017, 11:05:43 AM
Not blown away but it sounds good. Vocals are great, guitar solo was a bit much for me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 11, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Who here thinks Figaros Whore will be an Acapella track?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: ReaperKK on August 11, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
God I hope not lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Art on August 11, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Who here thinks Figaros Whore will be an Acapella track?

My bet is in a solo piece from Derek.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: gzarruk on August 11, 2017, 11:35:38 AM
Who here thinks Figaros Whore will be an Acapella track?

My bet is in a solo piece from Derek.

Derek said he brought a finished piece for the album, so I think you might be right.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
I listened to it again, still not grabbing me. Symphony X with a Derek Sherinian solo. I think MP realizes with each group/super group/ project how special Petrucci is. Arguably one of the better players he has played with Gillette sounds like Petrucci. Bumblefoot is obviously a great guitar player but as far as song writing goes, he pales next to Petrucci. I am doe tying the name Petrucci.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 11, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
First listen and nothing really grabs my attention.
My first thought was that I would take DT over this any day...
Might grow.....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 11, 2017, 11:44:56 AM

My first thought was that I would take DT over this any day...


As much as I like it and as I may love the album and band as a whole, I think I will agree with this. It doesn't beat DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Metropolaris on August 11, 2017, 11:46:32 AM
I can't be the only one who thinks the main riff is a knock-off of Roots Bloody Roots by Sepultura.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 11, 2017, 11:47:36 AM
The name Figaros Whore sounds like one of Derek´s solo songs. I can´t believe he released an album called Molecular Heinosity  ;D ;D ;D

I´ve been listening to Signs of The Time non stop today!!! AOR meets prog meets Sepultura...I love this track!!! Can you guys imagine if Mike started off with this as soon as he left DT in 2010? I guess it would change the perception of a lot of fans.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2017, 11:49:28 AM
I listened to it again, still not grabbing me. Symphony X with a Derek Sherinian solo. I think MP realizes with each group/super group/ project how special Petrucci is. Arguably one of the better players he has played with Gillette sounds like Petrucci. Bumblefoot is obviously a great guitar player but as far as song writing goes, he pales next to Petrucci. I am doe tying the name Petrucci.

Does he though?

I tend to agree. MP's post-DT career has been full of him working with some fantastic players, but nothing touches (IMO) what he was able to do with DT. In my mind that's because John Petrucci doesn't grow on trees. I certainly realize that more and more with each MP project, but I don't know if Mike does.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of
Post by: efx on August 11, 2017, 12:01:18 PM
On the itunes page Figaro's Whore is the only track marked as having explicit lyrics.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 12:05:15 PM
I listened to it again, still not grabbing me. Symphony X with a Derek Sherinian solo. I think MP realizes with each group/super group/ project how special Petrucci is. Arguably one of the better players he has played with Gillette sounds like Petrucci. Bumblefoot is obviously a great guitar player but as far as song writing goes, he pales next to Petrucci. I am doe tying the name Petrucci.

Does he though?

I tend to agree. MP's post-DT career has been full of him working with some fantastic players, but nothing touches (IMO) what he was able to do with DT. In my mind that's because John Petrucci does grow on trees. I certainly realize that more and more with each MP project, but I don't know if Mike does.

Good point, I really don't know. Factor in that I feel MP thinks he was the creative force that made DT what it was. He definitely contributed, no doubt but DT without MP continues, DT without Petrucci is dead.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2017, 12:10:34 PM
Good point, I really don't know. Factor in that I feel MP thinks he was the creative force that made DT what it was. He definitely contributed, no doubt but DT without MP continues, DT without Petrucci is dead.

Yeah not to go down this well traveled DTF road, but regardless of how much people think one guy contributed or the other guy did - most here can agree that the combination of JP and MP, however it actually worked behind the scenes, is a combination that created some truly incredible music.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Good point, I really don't know. Factor in that I feel MP thinks he was the creative force that made DT what it was. He definitely contributed, no doubt but DT without MP continues, DT without Petrucci is dead.

Yeah not to go down this well traveled DTF road, but regardless of how much people think one guy contributed or the other guy did - most here can agree that the combination of JP and MP, however it actually worked behind the scenes, is a combination that created some truly incredible music.

Yes for sure. There is no duplicating the magic from I and W through SFAM. I still love their stuff and really enjoyed The Astonishing but that era was magic.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 12:17:01 PM
I think Mike has always felt that JP is truly special and he has repeatedly said as much, both while he was in DT and afterward.  I don't think there has been any sort of increased (and, impliedly, regretful) realization post-DT.  I don't get that perspective at all.  But Mike has been fortunate enough to do projects with a LOT of very talented guitarists, including Steve Morse, Eric Gillette, and now Bumblefoot.  They each bring something special to the table. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 11, 2017, 12:18:24 PM
On the itunes page Figaro's Whore is the only track marked as having explicit lyrics.

See Acapella song.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 11, 2017, 12:20:26 PM
I liked it! It wasn't groundbreaking, but it was good. I can see listening to it on occasion.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: KevShmev on August 11, 2017, 12:37:10 PM
Pretty good song.  The vocals and vocal melodies did nothing for me, but the main riff was good and the guitar solo was nice.  Maybe it will be a grower, but the singer's voice does nothing for me at all after one listen.  That could change.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: PowerSlave on August 11, 2017, 12:39:26 PM
I really like JSS, and thought the song was pretty good. I have high hopes for this project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
Symphony X with a Derek Sherinian solo.

You're now at least the second person I have seen post something like that, so I have to ask:  What makes you say that?  I'm not hearing anything at all in this that made me think Symphony X, so I'm genuinely curious what makes a couple of you see similarities.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 11, 2017, 12:40:53 PM
Symphony X with a Derek Sherinian solo.

You're now at least the second person I have seen post something like that, so I have to ask:  What makes you say that?  I'm not hearing anything at all in this that made me think Symphony X, so I'm genuinely curious what makes a couple of you see similarities.

I can hear some modern SX in the chorus. Maybe a little in the main riff. It's not very strong, but I can hear it a bit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: efx on August 11, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
I don't hear it that much in the main intro riff or verse but the prechorus/chorus sounds just like modern day SX to me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 12:57:01 PM
Symphony X with a Derek Sherinian solo.

You're now at least the second person I have seen post something like that, so I have to ask:  What makes you say that?  I'm not hearing anything at all in this that made me think Symphony X, so I'm genuinely curious what makes a couple of you see similarities.

The riffs and the singing primarily. I am thinking along the lines of the album with Dehumanize. That gruff, somewhat bombastic  singing. The part where they sing "hold on" just reminds me of symphony x. By the way that album, although I am pulling a blank on it's name is my favorite symphony x.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: kaos2900 on August 11, 2017, 12:58:05 PM
Musically I don't think it sounds like Symphony X, but I could hear Russell Allen singing this (much better).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: devieira73 on August 11, 2017, 01:08:04 PM
I hate to draw ANY conclusions from track lengths.  But I like that the songs are long enough to allow them to develop, but the track times aren't so overly long that it looks like they might meander all over the place.  Signs of the Time is a good example of having a song long enough to have some interesting parts and enough development to take you on a bit of a journey without overstaying its welcome.

This is interesting, there's 4 songs clocking around 4 or 5 minutes. I guess it depends how much it is packed in the song. For example, The Gift of Music is a short song and it really feels longer with all the elements that has in it.
I read in some interview a time ago that Derek always prefered shorter albums and it's interesting to notice that this entire album clocks on 57:38, what, for comparation, it's shorter than the DT albums in which Portnoy/Petrucci were producers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
I guess MP has jumped to Youtube to defend himself.




shawn murphy2 hours ago
Is Portnoy still in the band or did he leave already to join another band ?

I'm serious.
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Chris Reid1 hour ago
shawn murphy this is a full time thing for him. He said there is going to be a 2018 tour too.
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TheClay00552 minutes ago
Chris Reid he said that already to winery dogs. Id prefer the dogs than this new band. He said winery dogs is the thing. But then he jump from band to band.
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Chris Reid41 minutes ago
TheClay005 I love the winery dogs too, but I would like to hear more from these guys. Singles really don't represent a band. And one of the main reasons that the winery dogs are on hiatus is because Ritchie kotzen wanted to focus on his solo career for a little bit. But we will see what all happens in the future. Mike is going to have to slow down eventually or it will get to his health.

Mike Portnoy12 minutes ago
I do them ALL!!!
Of the 28 bands I've played with I only ever "left" two: DT (after 25 years) and AMOB (scheduling issues at the time w TWD)..
I can easily juggle multiple bands and have for many years now

SONS OF APOLLO is what we are focused on for 2018...but
I still have The Winery Dogs, Neal Morse Band, Flying Colors, Metal Allegiance, Transatlantic and if Twisted Sister decides to play more, them as well....If I can handle my schedule, then why should you or any other troll out there give a shit??
I LOVE music and love playing with other musicians
Enjoy it ALL!!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: PowerSlave on August 11, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
He probably needs to stay off social media, but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said there.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2017, 01:53:36 PM
Why is "left" in quotes?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 11, 2017, 02:00:17 PM
I wonder why there's two different lenght for Signs of the Time in the tracklist info here:

https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Sons_Of_Apollo_-_Psychotic_Symphony_-Ltd-_2CD_Mediabook-/16367

2CD editions means one with vocals and one instrumental?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 02:01:07 PM
Why is "left" in quotes?

I am guessing it is because, although he ultimately had the say in leaving vs. being let go or only being a hired gun for a limited time, in both situations it was complicated and wasn't simply a matter of him unilaterally just packing his bags.  In the case of DT, for example, while it was his decision, I know he feels that, from his perspective, he didn't have a choice because he had a need that the band inflexibly (from his perspective) refused to meet. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 02:02:32 PM
I wonder why there's two different lenght for Signs of the Time in the tracklist info here:

https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Sons_Of_Apollo_-_Psychotic_Symphony_-Ltd-_2CD_Mediabook-/16367

2CD editions means one with vocals and one instrumental?
Hard to say.  It could be an alternative version.  Or the description could just be a mistake.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2017, 02:16:19 PM
Why is "left" in quotes?

I am guessing it is because, although he ultimately had the say in leaving vs. being let go or only being a hired gun for a limited time, in both situations it was complicated and wasn't simply a matter of him unilaterally just packing his bags.  In the case of DT, for example, while it was his decision, I know he feels that, from his perspective, he didn't have a choice because he had a need that the band inflexibly (from his perspective) refused to meet. 

Even though he wanted the other guys to quit their jobs while he went off and continued making money.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2017, 02:19:17 PM
Just heard the new track. I hate the low tuning on the guitar. Not enjoyable at all. It's why I can't enjoy recent Sym X. Also, JSS reminds me of Russell Allen, who does nothing for me. I hope JSS lets loose on the rest of the album. Can't believe this is the same guy on Marching Out.
But I loved the instrumental section. I will absolutely be getting this. So great to finally hear MP playing music that I actually find interesting. Only took 7 years..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Zook, I'm not arguing that his position was reasonable.  I'm just trying to articulate why I think he thinks it is more complicated than simply saying he left.  Without getting into whether his position on the subject is reasonable or justified (I don't think it is), I think he is right about it being more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: bill1971 on August 11, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
He probably needs to stay off social media, but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said there.

I don't think he did either.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 11, 2017, 02:22:09 PM
Why is "left" in quotes?

I am guessing it is because, although he ultimately had the say in leaving vs. being let go or only being a hired gun for a limited time, in both situations it was complicated and wasn't simply a matter of him unilaterally just packing his bags.  In the case of DT, for example, while it was his decision, I know he feels that, from his perspective, he didn't have a choice because he had a need that the band inflexibly (from his perspective) refused to meet. 

Even though he wanted the other guys to quit their jobs while he went off and continued making money.

Hiatus: a pause or gap in a sequence, series, or process.

Sounds very different than what you said.

PROBABLY Mike thought the other guys could do something with their own projects while on HIATUS (see above for definition) and still make money
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: countoftuscany42 on August 11, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
I want to order the vinyl for this, but so far I'm only seeing it on the InsideOut shop which means shipping from Europe to the US, no thanks.  Considering its a US-based band its a shame there's no better options, at least not yet.  maybe something will get added later
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2017, 02:29:16 PM
Why is "left" in quotes?

I am guessing it is because, although he ultimately had the say in leaving vs. being let go or only being a hired gun for a limited time, in both situations it was complicated and wasn't simply a matter of him unilaterally just packing his bags.  In the case of DT, for example, while it was his decision, I know he feels that, from his perspective, he didn't have a choice because he had a need that the band inflexibly (from his perspective) refused to meet. 

Even though he wanted the other guys to quit their jobs while he went off and continued making money.

Hiatus: a pause or gap in a sequence, series, or process.

Sounds very different than what you said.

PROBABLY Mike thought the other guys could do something with their own projects while on HIATUS (see above for definition) and still make money

He might have thought that, but how much money would they make in their relatively unknown side projects while Mike is making bank with Avenged Sevenfold.

If I took a hiatus from my job, I wouldn't get paid. He didn't ask to go on vacation, but I'm pretty sure musicians don't get vacation pay anyway. It was an unfair proposition.

@bosk: OK.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: Adami on August 11, 2017, 02:33:18 PM
I wonder what would have happened if he asked DT to keep touring with a fill in drummer for a bit.

Other bands seem to do that with no problem.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy's prog metal supergroup: Sons of Apollo
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 11, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
Why is "left" in