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Title: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 11, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
I felt like this deserved its own thread since it really doesn't have much to do with his Shattered Fortress band.

This is what we know so far:

Mike Portnoy confirms a Progressive Metal Supergroup is in the works
https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/1598772116807091

Former DT keyboardist Derek Sherinian posts a picture of his keyboard rig in a studio very similar to the one in Mike's pic
This tweet was quickly taken down but luckily someone got a screenshot of it.
(http://i.imgur.com/Te5GfwZ.jpg)

Derek's keyboard tech posted a video on Instagram showing his rig while Derek practices a unison with a guitarist offscreen. This video has also been taken down but I managed to get a screenshot of the last second of the video which shows the guitarist: Bumblefoot
(http://i.imgur.com/sHuWcYy.png)

Today Miked and Derek tweeted this pic, pretty much confirming Derek's involvement, which we already knew  :P
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/840655819557367808
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/840657353225601024

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 11, 2017, 02:05:00 PM
I reposted the info with the picture of Bumblefoot at the MP forum and also at the MP forum in Facebook and he removed all of that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 11, 2017, 02:13:24 PM
I reposted the info with the picture of Bumblefoot at the MP forum and also at the MP forum in Facebook and he removed all of that.

:')
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
Bumblefoot?

Well, it could be really good if he adds in a unique influence, or he could adapt to them and make it standard stuff.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on March 11, 2017, 02:33:39 PM
I just hope he doesn't sing. I don't find his playing to be anything special but it's okay but his vocals I actively dislike.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2017, 03:41:04 PM
MP also said on his website that he will have the same level of control he had in DT. A first for him since he left DT
Quote from: Mike Portnoy
For the 1st time since 2010, YES!!
It was made very clear and understood before we even started...
 
With TWD, FC, NMB, TA, MA all being more of a "democracy", the ONLY way i could take on another band (without going insane!) is if I was to have the same level of overall creative control I had in DT
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2987222-p3.aspx (http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2987222-p3.aspx)

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 03:43:06 PM
It'll either stop being a supergroup and be his new home OR it'll last one album before he moves onto something else.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2017, 03:47:35 PM
I'm blanking, which band is MA?

I say one album  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
I'm blanking, which band is MA?

I say one album  :lol

Madrenaline Aob !! :neverusethis:

I'm guessing it was a typo.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 11, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
I'm blanking, which band is MA?

I say one album  :lol

Metal Allegiance - one of his projects that I just cannot get into as that sort of metal just isn't my thing, and the fact that it's more like one of those Magna Carta record cover-albums (where the line-up is different in every song), I just don't see myself caring about it since it's not a single line-up on every piece, just a collection of different band's performances.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 11, 2017, 06:37:13 PM
I'm hoping this will be a "no holds barred" kind of thing, a la Planet X.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: darkshade on March 11, 2017, 06:43:47 PM
This sounds like Planet X with Mike Portnoy on drums.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 11, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
I'm hoping this will be a "no holds barred" kind of thing, a la Planet X.
Agreed from the standpoint that they won't put limits on the style or sound (except maybe cookie monster vocals, which I fear will be evident). But unlike PX, which struck me as mostly instrumental flexing of their chops, I hope this new band follows the basic idea of having the heavy, the pop and the epic sides as DT does. Exactly how they go about doing it is up to them, and I welcome influences/directions that go outside of what DT has done.

My biggest question is who are the bassist and vocalist (assuming they are part of this group)? Who are LA based musicians that are musos but don't have a full-time gig that would take up a lot of their time? I couldn't help but think of Jason Newsted, but I haven't a clue as to where he lives or if he's even doing much with music these days. Perhaps looking at the guys MP's played with in different bands/projects could be a hint since he's played with the two we know of - more likely from one-off things like PSMS, Hail and Metal Allegiance, rather than TA, FC or TWD.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2017, 07:32:17 PM
Sheehan? Ellefson?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 11, 2017, 07:32:45 PM
My biggest question is who are the bassist and vocalist (assuming they are part of this group)? Who are LA based musicians that are musos but don't have a full-time gig that would take up a lot of their time? I couldn't help but think of Jason Newsted, but I haven't a clue as to where he lives or if he's even doing much with music these days. Perhaps looking at the guys MP's played with in different bands/projects could be a hint since he's played with the two we know of - more likely from one-off things like PSMS, Hail and Metal Allegiance, rather than TA, FC or TWD.


*Fingers crossed for no Billy Sheehan*

Seeing how badly they've kept this project a secret, we'll probably figure out who else is involved soon  :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Mike Lepond!

He and MP seem to be competing for the most side projects. Seems fitting they'd do one together!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on March 11, 2017, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: Metropolaris
Seeing how badly they've kept this project a secret, we'll probably figure out who else is involved soon  :P
I really think that all these leaks are done on purpose by the band. Derek made a photo with MP feet saying "making history... And you?" and the other has a image of Bumblefoot at the last frame of a video from the studio? Of course, they are  unofficially releasing information.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 11, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
The real question here is: will they play the full version of Apocalypse 1470 B. C. live this time?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on March 11, 2017, 09:20:08 PM
No, the real question is who the hell is Bumblefoot?

TAC, have you heard of this guy?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
No, the real question is who the hell is Bumblefoot?

TAC, have you heard of this guy?


Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.

Seems like a really talented guitarist, but I've never heard him write anything interesting riff or song wise.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Accelerando on March 11, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
Bumblefoot is currently in a band called Art of Anarchy, which was originally fronted by Scott Weiland before he passed away. Their current front man is former Creed vocalist Scott Stapp. From what I heard from them, they are pretty meh.

The Madness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNy_g6cMlIE

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2017, 09:41:34 PM
So glad they got Bumblefoot and not another JP clone for the band. Also, he's very capable as a guitarist and his influence should (hopefully) be really useful to create something new. Just hope he isn't the main vocalist of the band... and MP either  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 11, 2017, 09:54:17 PM
Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.
Eight years, one album. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.
Eight years, one album. :lol

  :lol To be fair, the guy has put out a LOT of solo albums, and some of them are really good!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Former guitarist for GnR. Think he was there for a while too.
Eight years, one album. :lol

Well yea, but they were a live band for the most part at that point. He wasn't really there to write as much as perform.

That's one of the things I'm worried about. Dude seems way more of a performer (or even instructor) than writer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 11, 2017, 10:25:58 PM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2017, 11:03:05 PM
But...a member of the band posted something. How is that our fault?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
But...a member of the band posted something. How is that our fault?

Totally. There's not a ton of people in the studio, just tell them to stop filming/posting things. Easier than telling thousands of people to stop talking about it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 12, 2017, 12:36:43 AM
So Mike's fans arent't allowed to speculate based on the things we see? Because he 'doesn't want it'? Come on man, this sort of thing is inevitable in the internet age.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 12, 2017, 12:40:31 AM
But...a member of the band posted something. How is that our fault?

Totally. There's not a ton of people in the studio, just tell them to stop filming/posting things. Easier than telling thousands of people to stop talking about it.

For a group you supposedly have total creative control over, it should be pretty easy to tell them to stop, right?   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 12, 2017, 12:46:37 AM
He can delete posts from his own board but he can't fromothetfrom other places, like this, so I don't see why he bothers. Stop the leaks if you want to stop the talk.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 12, 2017, 12:55:03 AM
Wow, drama this early.  :corn

I like Bumblefoot when he was still using his name Ron Thal. He sounded like Mike Keneally then. Maybe he could bring that Zappa vibe to this group.

I also like how the thread title iS Mike Portnoy PMS. Suits the drama well. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 12, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
You could be satisfied that your teasers spark interest in your future group/project and that people naturally speculate about the participants but you don't have to, although for me the latter doesn't really make sense.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 12, 2017, 06:52:31 AM
Sorry Mike, I love you, but.. stop whining like a little child.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2017, 07:35:28 AM
No, the real question is who the hell is Bumblefoot?

TAC, have you heard of this guy?

Hah, I have. He was in GnR, right. Haven't heard a single note the guy has played though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2017, 07:53:18 AM

Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

Wow. Just Wow.




I also like how the thread title iS Mike Portnoy PMS. Suits the drama well. :lol
:rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mladen on March 12, 2017, 08:43:43 AM
There we go again.  :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 12, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
This is my favorite Ron Thal (Bumblefoot) piece. I could easily imagine this being played in Derek and Mike's style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxOPylHYQps
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 11:46:25 AM

Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

Wow. Just Wow.


STOP YELLING LIKE THAT MIKE! Joking aside, it's nobody's fault but the guy who posted the pic there! Do you think MP will be serving us Never Enough part 2 with his new supergroup?  :biggrin:

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
I get his point but he could have really realized the blame was on his own bandmates and not for fans breaking in into the studio to see what was going on. He could have said "I know you guys are the best detectives in the internet and that there are rumors out there, but you know I have a master plan on revealing things when I know will be the most exciting, and not everybody is analyzing Twitter posts and photos like they work in CSI, so please,  keep the surprise for those who aren't actively looking for any minute detail and bear with me, trust me, it will be worth it!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 12:24:52 PM
I get his point but he could have really realized the blame was on his own bandmates and not for fans breaking in into the studio to see what was going on. He could have said "I know you guys are the best detectives in the internet and that there are rumors out there, but you know I have a master plan on revealing things when I know will be the most exciting, and not everybody is analyzing Twitter posts and photos like they work in CSI, so please,  keep the surprise for those who aren't actively looking for any minute detail and bear with me, trust me, it will be worth it!"

Yeah, I guess it would have been more reasonable.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
Portnoy over-react ?

This is brand new information !

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/avatar_94b105a3b4e6_128.png)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 02:12:01 PM
This is already way more entertaining than I could have hoped for :rollin

MP, we missed you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: pogoowner on March 12, 2017, 02:18:36 PM
Jesus. :lol

The only person he should be upset with is the person who posted the video that, you know, included Bumblefoot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 12, 2017, 02:19:38 PM
Jesus. :lol

The only person he should be upset with is the person who posted the video that, you know, included Bumblefoot.

BUMBLEFOOT?

Is he in this band?







:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2017, 02:27:49 PM
Bumblefoot MAY be in THIS band but *I* won't let YOU know until *I* decide THE time is RIGHT !!!


:         )








was ChaosSystem MP all along ?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 12, 2017, 03:38:49 PM
was ChaosSystem MP all along ?

You never know...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 12, 2017, 03:44:08 PM
No more teasing until the summer... I wonder if he can get everyone involved to stop posting on social media

Deleting posts on his own board must be the least effective way of stopping leaks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 12, 2017, 05:21:17 PM
was ChaosSystem MP all along ?

You never know...

Whatever happened to him btw?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 05:34:06 PM
Speaking about deleting posts, yesterday night I replied Mike's tweet of him and DS in the studio (this one: https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/840655819557367808) saying: @MikePortnoy @DerekSherinian Don't forget to tag @Bumblefoot   ;) "

I went to sleep after that, since it was late here where I live. Well... woke up in the morning today and, guess what? Found MP had sent me a DM saying:
"Don't make me block you...
We have NOT announced our guitar player".

I'm not making this out, I took an screenshot and still have the message with me. If i ever figure out how to attach the shot here I'll post it, or I can mail it to anyone if you want  :P

He didn't block me, and was "kind enough" to warn me first, so I deleted the tweet. Still, like some people have said in earlier posts, that's not the best way to manage the leaks. Just tell the people next to you to stop filming posting stuff online and that's it! Isn't even that difficult, Mike. I guess his "same level of control as I had in DT" means he gets to decide how the other guys use their social media accounts?  :huh:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Whatever happened to him btw?

He got banned I think. If I remember correctly, he started getting really confrontational towards the end.

Sorry... towards THE end

Also, gzarruk. I hope you find a way to post that screenshot. That sounds hilarious. I don't know how I'd react and that your tweet was "block worthy"  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
But it's not even something to get angry about. If it's not Bumblefoot, just say: "Nice try, but keep guessing" Not get pissed off and block people and delete comments and such
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 12, 2017, 05:40:10 PM
I can understand why he is upset. But, he should know how his fans are.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 05:45:23 PM
But it's not even something to get angry about. If it's not Bumblefoot, just say: "Nice try, but keep guessing" Not get pissed off and block people and delete comments and such

I also heard that he just got brand new floors.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 05:58:05 PM
It's just a control thing. He had a specific release schedule in mind, and that's all out the window now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 06:02:40 PM
It's just a control thing. He had a specific release schedule in mind, and that's all out the window now.

But Bumblefoot already released a press statement!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 06:19:23 PM
Also, gzarruk. I hope you find a way to post that screenshot. That sounds hilarious. I don't know how I'd react and that your tweet was "block worthy"  :lol

Well, I said something like "Sorry Mike, will delete the tweet now". But yeah, that was interesting  :lol

Since I don't really know how to attach pics here, I uploaded it to my dropbox so you can see it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q61ullvniexuvsp/MP%20Tweet.jpg?dl=0
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 12, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Right after I identified Bumblefoot I tweeted the pic to him Mike, and Derek but I deleted it not long after because I felt like Mike would call me out on it and I'd face the wrath of his rabid fanbase.
Bumblefoot actually followed me on Twitter after I posted it.

I hope we didn't get Derek's keyboard tech fired :mehlin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on March 12, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something. 

:lol Oh Mike
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
Right after I identified Bumblefoot I tweeted the pic to him Mike, and Derek but I deleted it not long after because I felt like Mike would call me out on it and I'd face the wrath of his rabid fanbase.
Bumblefoot actually followed me on Twitter after I posted it.

I hope we didn't get Derek's keyboard tech fired :mehlin

Maybe he went to the session with an ADTOE shirt?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 12, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
He still says *I*

All is still normal in the world
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 07:15:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/Mobile%20Uploads/76062163_zpsc9r42djq.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/Mobile%20Uploads/76062163_zpsc9r42djq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
Quote from: author Mike Portnoy
Of course you can speculate and look for clues!! That's half the fun!
The posts that were deleted were sharing information that was not supposed to be shared or leaked.
(and they were deleted for a reason...so please do not try to re-post them!)


...and several people (you know who you are) were going around to several social medias posting certain things based on that as "confirmed news" which is NOT the case....
 
The only things that CAN be confirmed and announced so far are the few things I have posted on MY social media...anything else from anywhere else is just "rumor and speculation" so far...
 
I DO indeed enjoy the excitement and speculation...that is indeed why I post "teasers" in the first place.
But there is a method to my madness and a reason why only certain things have been announced so far!
 
On that note, my "Del Fulvio" post yesterday is the last teaser for a while...there will likely not be any further official announcements or info on this band until Summer time when we are ready to properly "unveil" it and setup the album's release...
 
So, please speculate all you want from the "official" information that I have posted so far... 
 
MP


Gzarruk, you know who you are!  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: author Mike Portnoy
Of course you can speculate and look for clues!! That's half the fun!
The posts that were deleted were sharing information that was not supposed to be shared or leaked.
(and they were deleted for a reason...so please do not try to re-post them!)


...and several people (you know who you are) were going around to several social medias posting certain things based on that as "confirmed news" which is NOT the case....
 
The only things that CAN be confirmed and announced so far are the few things I have posted on MY social media...anything else from anywhere else is just "rumor and speculation" so far...
 
I DO indeed enjoy the excitement and speculation...that is indeed why I post "teasers" in the first place.
But there is a method to my madness and a reason why only certain things have been announced so far!
 
On that note, my "Del Fulvio" post yesterday is the last teaser for a while...there will likely not be any further official announcements or info on this band until Summer time when we are ready to properly "unveil" it and setup the album's release...
 
So, please speculate all you want from the "official" information that I have posted so far... 
 
MP


Gzarruk, you know who you are!  :lol

Oh, man, I just posted a short tweet  :lol Mike's OCD about having everything done his way is messing up with him, big time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2017, 07:52:15 PM
Oh god, just imagine what happens when Blabbermouth gets wind of this...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2017, 08:17:57 PM
Where did he post this? On his forum?

Oh god, just imagine what happens when Blabbermouth gets wind of this...

It's been a while since something like this happened with Mike, we should've seen it coming  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 12, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
Yeah, it's over on his forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 13, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/DB2oahQFa0qeQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:23:28 AM
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/6402d2_78e2d9c0897e457592540ef0517b573a_zpsov7dv0qk.jpg)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DB2oahQFa0qeQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 13, 2017, 12:36:00 AM
I will disembowel you with a spoon
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:39:33 AM
Yes please!


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 13, 2017, 12:54:17 AM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.

The ironicc thing is that MP is the most active among DT (and ex-DT) members in social media but he seems to be the one who does not know how social media works. Just compare how he is handling the secrecy of this project to the way DT handled the secrecy of The Astonishing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:56:58 AM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.

The ironicc thing is that MP is the most active among DT (and ex-DT) members in social media but he seems to be the one who does not know how social media works. Just compare how he is handling the secrecy of this project to the way DT handled the secrecy of The Astonishing.

DT didn't handle it great either though. They had basically complete silence till the point where a good amount of people were losing interest.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 13, 2017, 01:12:52 AM
It's almost surreal to see someone so proud of his interaction with fans continue to show such contempt for them.  It's like he has no respect for any fan who doesn't march to the beat of everything he says and does.

The ironicc thing is that MP is the most active among DT (and ex-DT) members in social media but he seems to be the one who does not know how social media works. Just compare how he is handling the secrecy of this project to the way DT handled the secrecy of The Astonishing.

DT didn't handle it great either though. They had basically complete silence till the point where a good amount of people were losing interest.

Yes, but I was talking more about how to handle the leakage of information in social media. In terms of drumming up interest, it's a different story.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:15:01 AM
Oh, I gotcha. Yea, I don't remember any leaks until possibly the very end.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nobloodyname on March 13, 2017, 01:16:54 AM
Oh dear. While the bashing may or may not be fair, it does get old quite quickly and it's always the same people, too.

Anyway, I found myself checking out Bumblefoot's last solo release yesterday, Little Brother is Watching, in light of the possibility he's involved in MP's project. Have to say, I was quite impressed although it was more rock than I expected. Does anyone know if he's ever played metal before?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 13, 2017, 02:21:57 AM
Mike:

"The only things that CAN be confirmed and announced so far are the few things I have posted on MY social media...anything else from anywhere else is just "rumor and speculation" so far... "

No, anything else is a video posted by someone who works in the studio that had a split second frame of the guitarist. It's not that someone figured out the studio and stalked it out, seeing who's coming and going, or that anyone broke into the studio, hacked a personal and private account... someone in the studio messed up. He should have admitted it, I understand his point, and he's to admire for the attention to details and building up the excitement (I remember him saying that the downloads were not annoying for the financial side, but more for the spoiling of the surprise, he wanted DT fans to have the same experience of the new album at the same time), but it's so hard to just say "I know someone posted a video that started speculation, please, those of you who didn't see the video or got hold of the clues just don't spoil the surprise for those who don't even know such a video existed"?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 13, 2017, 02:27:36 AM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

This is actually a very good point!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 13, 2017, 03:03:06 AM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

This is actually a very good point!

Yeah I've thought about that too, or maybe Bumblefoot has a small guest spot or something. It's possible he's not 'the guitarist'. Worst thing would be that the clip was from a sort of audition or jam, and he didn't make the band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 04:21:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/b8HAf80.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 04:23:56 AM
Maybe Bumblefoot isn't in the band yet?

Maybe Mike and Derek are jamming with multiple guys to see who works out. That would be the only way I can see why MP would get so angry at the info coming out.

This is actually a very good point!

Yeah I've thought about that too, or maybe Bumblefoot has a small guest spot or something. It's possible he's not 'the guitarist'. Worst thing would be that the clip was from a sort of audition or jam, and he didn't make the band.

Very good point. If that is so, I wonder to what extent it may decide MP not to have Ron Thal as a guitarist finally even if it was initially decided it would be him.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 04:27:05 AM
BREAKING NEWS :

MP decides to fire the camera that took the photo in the studio. Poor guy wasn't prepared as he was envisioning a career in rock photographing.

Should I have written in green?

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 13, 2017, 04:37:53 AM
Firing a camera is a bit extreme.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 13, 2017, 04:38:59 AM
I haven't listened to any of MP's post DT stuff at all (excluding Nightmare by A7X I suppose). I might check out this 'supergroup', or I might not, either way though this is all  :corn :corn :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 06:03:58 AM
I wonder if this will be a "Prog Allegiance" kind of thing, with a revolving door of musicians with every song. That might be why he doesn't want the news about Bumblefoot coming out because he's not the only guitarist involved and he doesnt want people to think that.
Derek said he was spending 10 days in the studio, so I think they've written the bulk of the music now and are gonna record the rest of the guest appearances over the next few months, hence why he doesn't want to announce a lineup yet. He doesn't know who else will/will not be involved.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 06:24:44 AM
Yeah all it needed was

" : ) oops!!! Someone was a bit camera happy in the studio !!

Close call !! But keep guessing !! : ) "
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 13, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
This thread is awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2017, 09:07:59 AM
I think you guys are being way too harsh on Mike.   Seriously. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 13, 2017, 09:56:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/b8HAf80.jpg)

Thanks for posting it here! I'll remove it from my dropbox now  :tup

I wonder if this will be a "Prog Allegiance" kind of thing, with a revolving door of musicians with every song. That might be why he doesn't want the news about Bumblefoot coming out because he's not the only guitarist involved and he doesnt want people to think that.
Derek said he was spending 10 days in the studio, so I think they've written the bulk of the music now and are gonna record the rest of the guest appearances over the next few months, hence why he doesn't want to announce a lineup yet. He doesn't know who else will/will not be involved.

I don't think so. On the pic I shared (and Kotowboy posted) Mike said "we have NOT announced our guitar player", he didn't say players or anything like that. I think Bumblefoot is the guitarist for the band, just that MP is overreacting with the leaks here, as he clearly wants people to know these things when HE decides it's time to.  Also, a "prog allegiance" band would make me lose my interest in this album, seriously  :-\

Also, as a fun fact, Bumblefoot played a couple guest solos on Jordan's cover album The Road Home, a few years ago.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 13, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
I think you guys are being way too harsh on Mike.   Seriously.

I wouldn't say so. I think it is valid for him to be pissed or annoyed if things leak before he wants them to but I can't say I agree with the way he is going about it. Taking it out on his fanbase because they are curious is not really a good move IMO. It's obviously not been hard to find these leaks so really his anger is aimed in the wrong direction. If Bumblefoot released a press statement then it seems daft to get frustrated that his fans then shared this or whatever  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
I think you guys are being way too harsh on Mike.   Seriously.
On the contrary, compared to some of the stuff I've seen thrown his way over the years, this was less than I expected.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 12:16:06 PM
Compared to some of the stuff he has thrown our way, this is pretty mild.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:16:56 PM
Compared to some of the stuff he has thrown our way, this is pretty mild.
Indeed  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
And of course, we are under no obligation to take anything down that has been posted here.  That isn't to say I might not consider it.  But

(http://i.imgur.com/miwrQz6.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:22:34 PM
Take caution in your tone, Commander. I'm a fair guy, but this fucking heat is making me absolutely crazy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2017, 12:27:53 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 12:31:19 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.

I see what you did thare. Good joke! :lol

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 12:31:28 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.

:clap:

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
I personally think this whole event was rather bumbled by Mike, and he stuck a foot in his mouth.
lol

But it is what it is.  Hopefully the rest of his rollout will go smoothly.  And, of course, what matters most is how good the music is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2017, 12:53:24 PM
I think that aspect makes it so hilarious, at least to me. I mean, who gives a flying hoot about the exact date when musician X is announced. What matters is the music.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 13, 2017, 01:11:40 PM
Does anyone else think that Bumblefoot is overrated? Also, isn't he in that band with Scott Stapp now? Honestly if he is the primary guitar player then my level of excitement for this has decreased.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 13, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
Overrated? Not even.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
People dismissing a project when they haven't heard a single not yet...I'll never understand that  :\

Who dismissed it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
Does anyone else think that Bumblefoot is overrated? Also, isn't he in that band with Scott Stapp now? Honestly if he is the primary guitar player then my level of excitement for this has decreased.

Not at all. Ron Thal is a very good guitarist and very creative at that.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 13, 2017, 01:38:03 PM
People dismissing a project when they haven't heard a single not yet...I'll never understand that  :\

Who dismissed it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:40:02 PM
People dismissing a project when they haven't heard a single not yet...I'll never understand that  :\

Who dismissed it?

Referring to this:

Does anyone else think that Bumblefoot is overrated? Also, isn't he in that band with Scott Stapp now? Honestly if he is the primary guitar player then my level of excitement for this has decreased.

Maybe dismissed wasn't the right word, my bad, but at least wait until we hear a single or something before passing judgement on a brand new project. I'll admit Bumblefoot doesn't impress me but I'm definitely interested in hearing how he sounds in this kind of setting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
Sure, but his excitement can decrease.

If a guitarist you didn't care for was announced, you'd probably be a little less excited too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:46:20 PM
It was an unnecessary comment. Apologies. :angel:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 01:47:10 PM
It was an unnecessary comment. Apologies. :angel:

We don't take kindly to unnecessary comments round these parts!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Art on March 13, 2017, 01:48:41 PM
The only thing i heard by Bumblefoot is GnR. I have no idea what to expect from him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 13, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
It was an unnecessary comment. Apologies. :angel:

We don't take kindly to unnecessary comments round these parts!
:emo:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ariich on March 13, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
Taking it out on his fanbase because they are curious is not really a good move IMO. It's obviously not been hard to find these leaks so really his anger is aimed in the wrong direction. If Bumblefoot released a press statement then it seems daft to get frustrated that his fans then shared this or whatever  :lol
It also seems pretty counter-intuitive to me.

>posts teases to get people excited
>people get excited enough to dig into what's been teased to work out who the guitarist probably is
>gets annoyed at fans for getting too excited

Seems to me the excited reaction it generated is exactly what Mike would surely have wanted, even if it meant accidentally revealing the guitarist earlier than planned.

*shrug*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 13, 2017, 02:01:44 PM
I think that aspect makes it so hilarious, at least to me. I mean, who gives a flying hoot about the exact date when musician X is announced. What matters is the music.

No shit.  I mean, maybe Bumblefoot isn't officially in the band yet.  Just say so.  Is this a Derek & Mike led project and they're still figuring out who the rest will be?  Just say so.  Perhaps Bumblefoot is one of 7 world class guitarists auditioning for the band and they're making a documentary about the selection process in which case Eddie Trunk will just leak who it is.  Just kidding.  Eddie would never do that to his friend.  Only to his friend's ex-band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 13, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
Taking it out on his fanbase because they are curious is not really a good move IMO. It's obviously not been hard to find these leaks so really his anger is aimed in the wrong direction. If Bumblefoot released a press statement then it seems daft to get frustrated that his fans then shared this or whatever  :lol
It also seems pretty counter-intuitive to me.

>posts teases to get people excited
>people get excited enough to dig into what's been teased to work out who the guitarist probably is
>gets annoyed at fans for getting too excited

Seems to me the excited reaction it generated is exactly what Mike would surely have wanted, even if it meant accidentally revealing the guitarist earlier than planned.

*shrug*

Exactly, you can't have it both ways. If you want to tease your fans to get them excited you can't get angry when they unearth some new info you didn't actually want them to know about  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on March 13, 2017, 02:59:05 PM
I don't know much about Ron Thal, but I searched on youtube some music from "the adventures of Bumblefoot" and my first impression was good. I found it very interesting, instrumental songs, not too metal, but with cool Zappa influences, without being too crazy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 13, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
re: Bumblefoot -- wouldn't surprise me at all. NYC guy, MP probably knows him well, Art of Anarchy is just getting started, and very different than progressive metal.

That said, if it WAS him, I'd be a tad disappointed. However, they could be auditioning guitarists too. I think MP's reaction probably has had the opposite effect that he wanted. Because of his outburst, he has people thinking it IS Bumble, as opposed to one guy. Who knows, maybe there's two guitarists in the band. Something JP said he'd never do with DT, but maybe Mike would do it.

Long story short -- MP overreacted (shocker), Bumblefoot may be in the band, and hey, dude can play. Not sure if he can really write songs, but he can play. For me personally, it wouldn't be what I wanted to see/hear, but I'm looking forward to the album info this summer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 03:44:07 PM
Has MP ever been in a band with two full time guitarists? (As in not someone who occasionally plays like Casey)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2017, 03:48:17 PM
Regarding Ron Thal, I think he is an incredibly skilled guitarist. His own stuff is quirky (which is good) but never exciting, but this might be one of those cases where maybe the influence of the other guys adds some new angle.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
Has MP ever been in a band with two full time guitarists? (As in not someone who occasionally plays like Casey)
Do you count him being "in" A7X or Twisted Sister?  Adrenaline Mob initially had two.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
I'm going to say no to bands he subbed for.

Wasn't sure how many guitarists TA have.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Wasn't sure how many guitarists TA have.

Same is NM Band--one "full-time" guitarist, with Neal often subbing in on guitar as well.

So I guess the answer to your question is, no, he hasn't been in a band with 2 guitarists where he was somewhat in control of the band or involved in the writing.  But he has played in a handful of bands with 2 guitarists, so it isn't totally foreign to him.  But not sure that really advances the ball in terms of whether he will have 2 (or more) guitarists in this new band. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 13, 2017, 04:30:29 PM
Almost all his bands have only one (main) guitarist, so he decided to try something different and got 3 for TSF  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2017, 04:32:59 PM
By the wording of the Twitter DM that was posted earlier in this thread, it seems like this new project will feature ONLY ONE guitarist, so if isn't Bumblefoot, then he's not in it at all.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2017, 04:35:40 PM
I was going to point out earlier that his use of the singular might seem to indicate that.  But we can't say that is the case for certain, as he is keeping things intentionally vague. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 13, 2017, 04:40:17 PM
I listened to a quick sampling of Bumblefoot's solo work. Not too bad. Some people say his playing is more rock than metal... and some people seem to think he isn't going to be up to snuff..

Well look at DS after he left Dream Theater. He wound up going from kinda meh (I love his playing but he wasn't super duper technical) to "holy shit" in the Planet X stuff.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 13, 2017, 05:50:02 PM
I just realized this: Geddy and Alex are available... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
I think that aspect makes it so hilarious, at least to me. I mean, who gives a flying hoot about the exact date when musician X is announced. What matters is the music.

 :tup :tup

I just realized this: Geddy and Alex are available... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

No.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on March 13, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
Never have a followed a thread so closely for an artist/band whose music I have no interest in. Keep it up guys!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 13, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2017, 07:21:49 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 13, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead is also a very prolific songwriter (he has something like 60 albums) who would not be happy with not having a lot of creative control.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 13, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
Buckethead does 60 albums a month  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 13, 2017, 07:38:47 PM
Buckethead is also a very prolific songwriter (he has something like 60 albums) who would not be happy with not having a lot of creative control.
I think you mean 60 albums a day. He just released his 285th album last week  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.

I'm still waiting for the bass player to be Stumblebum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 13, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
I wonder if Bumblefoot ever took a Slash in Buckethead's bucket.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2017, 08:38:53 PM
I wonder if Bumblefoot ever took a Slash in Buckethead's bucket.

Yeah, probably made him Dizzy in his Izzy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 13, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.

I'm still waiting for the bass player to be Stumblebum.

Fun fact: I was reading up on Iron Maiden for some reason and found out there actually is a guy in existence who calls himself Thunderstick. 

Maybe they could replace Portnoy with Thunderstick. 


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 13, 2017, 11:11:44 PM
Bumblefoot, Buckethead, WTF is this? And I thought Zachy Savage or whatever the A7X guys are called were stupid.

In fairness to Ron Thal, he initially did not go by the Bumblefoot name. I guess the name stuck because he became an overnight sensation in the guitar instrumental community after he released his debut album, The Adventures of Bumblefoot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 14, 2017, 01:47:18 AM
Buckethead is also a very prolific songwriter (he has something like 60 albums) who would not be happy with not having a lot of creative control.
I think you mean 60 albums a day. He just released his 285th album last week  :lol

Damn you weren't kidding  :omg: :omg: :omg:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 14, 2017, 09:10:25 AM
Buckethead vs Omar Rodriguez-Lopez

the contest on who can release more albums in a lifetime.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 14, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".

Exactly. We're the technology available to Hendrix, EVH etc that would allow them to record and mix right there on the spot they'd have done the same. "Writing" and recording an album these days is pretty friggin simple. I could do it with a couple neighbors.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 14, 2017, 11:57:30 AM
The obvious big selling point of this band is going to be the vocalist and the songwriter. If so far, your main songwriters (music) are Derek and (assuming the thing we are talking about is true) Bumblefoot, that leaves me underwhelmed. But again, Bumble could surprise and slay, and I like Derek as a songwriter. So that leaves the big thing -- who is singing. I'm really curious if MP does the expected. I hope he does, and I hope the guy slays (would be a real interesting move if he went with a frontwoman).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 14, 2017, 11:59:02 AM
The obvious big selling point of this band is going to be the vocalist and the songwriter. If so far, your main songwriters (music) are Derek and (assuming the thing we are talking about is true) Bumblefoot, that leaves me underwhelmed. But again, Bumble could surprise and slay, and I like Derek as a songwriter. So that leaves the big thing -- who is singing. I'm really curious if MP does the expected. I hope he does, and I hope the guy slays (would be a real interesting move if he went with a frontwoman).

This is kinda where I am with this whole thing. I look forward to the reveal of the singer, that will be really interesting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
I worked out that id written, recorded and released 15 albums of original material since 2006.

A lot of those are only 30 minutes long - but still.

It shouldn't take a band like TOOL 11 years and counting to come up with 75 minutes of music.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 14, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
I only saw him once with GnR, in one of the Rock in Rio editions. He put on a stormtrooper mask, but missed a bunch of notes to the point of embarass,ent, and started playing well when he took it off. It was embarassing. But when he´s "serious" about his playing, he´s really good - at least from the YouTube videos I´ve seen.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2017, 12:18:13 PM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet, even about the songwriting.  I mean, we know Derek has writing chops.  And he can play and compose on both keyboard and guitar.  I have no idea what Thal's writing skills are like.  But I also don't know that he is the sole guitar player.  There might be another.  And whoever is on bass or guitar may also be a prolific writer.  We just don't know at this point.  I'm trying to just not have any preconceived notions.  Except for the fact that most true progressive metal does little for me and generally leaves me cold, outside of a handful of bands (DT, modern FW, Redemption).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious that MP was single handedly writing every song?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 14, 2017, 12:20:24 PM
I worked out that id written, recorded and released 15 albums of original material since 2006.

A lot of those are only 30 minutes long - but still.

It shouldn't take a band like TOOL 11 years and counting to come up with 75 minutes of music.

Hasn't TOOL, or at least Maynard all but admitted through various interviews that the sole reason they record and/or tour is financial? That there's no love of music or passion influencing them. Heck, I remember reading an interview where he rips on fans for being fans.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 14, 2017, 12:42:14 PM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet, even about the songwriting.  I mean, we know Derek has writing chops.  And he can play and compose on both keyboard and guitar.  I have no idea what Thal's writing skills are like.  But I also don't know that he is the sole guitar player.  There might be another.  And whoever is on bass or guitar may also be a prolific writer.  We just don't know at this point.  I'm trying to just not have any preconceived notions.  Except for the fact that most true progressive metal does little for me and generally leaves me cold, outside of a handful of bands (DT, modern FW, Redemption).

Whether you like his music or not is one thing, but he has chops.  He's got, what, ten albums or so, and as I understand it, he's done a lot with TV and ad jingles and theme music.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 12:42:53 PM
I worked out that id written, recorded and released 15 albums of original material since 2006.

A lot of those are only 30 minutes long - but still.

It shouldn't take a band like TOOL 11 years and counting to come up with 75 minutes of music.

Hasn't TOOL, or at least Maynard all but admitted through various interviews that the sole reason they record and/or tour is financial? That there's no love of music or passion influencing them. Heck, I remember reading an interview where he rips on fans for being fans.


Wouldn't shock me.

If you loved to create - you wouldn't have done nothing for 11 years.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 14, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
re: TOOL -- that is a weird band. I love the music, but it has been 11 years. I know there was a huge lawsuit impeding them, but I thought (could be wrong) it was settled a couple years ago. If they were serious about putting out music, you would think they would have by now.

re: bosk1 comments on Portnoy group -- yeah, you're on there. But it's hard to not expect it to be SOMETHING. Derek absolutely can write (his solo albums are awesome). But like you, I have no Bumblefoot writing knowledge. I am sure he can, but I don't really recall anything he's ever done being more than a blip on a radar screen (and that was his involvement with GnR). So I am hoping, if he IS part of this group, he either has been holding back for years in the writing department, or there's someone else, guitar player-wise that compliments him and is a killer songwriter.

But the vocals...the vocals. MP has to get that right. If he doesn't, this band will sink before it even releases a record.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Grappler on March 14, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
I have no Bumblefoot writing knowledge. I am sure he can, but I don't really recall anything he's ever done being more than a blip on a radar screen (and that was his involvement with GnR).

He wrote the theme to THAT METAL SHOW.    :metal

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
re: bosk1 comments on Portnoy group -- yeah, you're on there. But it's hard to not expect it to be SOMETHING.

Yeah, I know.  But when I hear MP, I simultaneously have two separate reactions:  (1) "It's Mike.  And it's metal.  That reminds me of DT, so it's bound to be really good!"  And (2) "It's 'progressive metal,' so that means I'll probably spend some time with it trying to justify why I should like it, and I'll ultimately just realize that I don't."  Those are my two knee-jerk reactions.  And, to be fair, both of them are unfair reactions, and neither one of them may be right.  And that thought process just highlights to me why having expectations going in just isn't really fair or productive.  And notwithstanding that I think Mike was WAY off base about his response to fans figuring out that Thal is in this, I get where he is coming from and think it is motivated by him not wanting people to form preconceived notions before hearing the music.  And especially knowing his fan base, I think that's valid.

But the vocals...the vocals. MP has to get that right. If he doesn't, this band will sink before it even releases a record.

Yeah, I agree.  But I think my conception of getting the vocals "right" may be a bit broader than yours.  I've broadened my perspective a lot of the years about vocals, just because of exposure to bands doing vocal styles that I didn't think I would like, but have come to appreciate.  And some of that is in connection with projects Mike has worked on.  And don't get me wrong--I would love for him to get the next Russell Allen.  But as long as the vocalist has the chops to pull of vocals that fit the music, that's the right call.  It doesn't necessarily have to be someone who belts like James in his prime, or Russell.  But it can't be someone like the guy from Haken either. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 14, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
re: TOOL -- that is a weird band. I love the music, but it has been 11 years. I know there was a huge lawsuit impeding them, but I thought (could be wrong) it was settled a couple years ago. If they were serious about putting out music, you would think they would have by now.

Well, Maynard has continued to be very prolific. Not his fault Tool fans aren't interested - and are sometimes outright dismissive - of the type of material he has been putting out. As for the rest of the guys - who knows.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 14, 2017, 03:27:57 PM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".

False. I USED to think that but really delved in when he had his $2 per album sale. It seems about a quarter of what hes done is beautiful mellow stuff. Another quarter is awesome rock/metal stuff. There is also a fair mix of straight up shredding, funk, and even albums where he just makes noise for 30 minutes. So i could do without half his stuff but the other half is excellent.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 14, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
What if he gets Gildenlöw? He's a great singer and he has writing skills. Of course, DG is busy with his own band right now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 03:54:20 PM
What if he gets Gildenlöw? He's a great singer and he has writing skills. Of course, DG is busy with his own band right now.

I'd only want Gildenlow if DG was fully enthusiastic about it and had at least 50% creative control.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 14, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
Geddy Lee
MP
Bumblefoot
Derek
Gildenlow

I'd pay good money to see this lineup play ANYTHING. Release an album of Bieber covers for all I care.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 14, 2017, 04:56:42 PM
That are the odds that its Ted Leonard on Vox?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2017, 05:03:47 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 05:12:38 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.

:o You have insider knowledge ?!?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 14, 2017, 05:17:48 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.

If MP wanted that info out there, he would've posted it himself. Aren't you paying attention?

You're going to cause another bolded angry message!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 14, 2017, 05:49:03 PM
Yeaaaah, but let's be honest, the vast majority of those albums are "guitar noodlings of the day".

False. I USED to think that but really delved in when he had his $2 per album sale. It seems about a quarter of what hes done is beautiful mellow stuff. Another quarter is awesome rock/metal stuff. There is also a fair mix of straight up shredding, funk, and even albums where he just makes noise for 30 minutes. So i could do without half his stuff but the other half is excellent.

This. Tons of variety in those albums. Also a lot of them are noodly, but a surprising amount of them seem well crafted and composed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 14, 2017, 05:50:07 PM
That are the odds that its Ted Leonard on Vox?

I'd be down for that. I liked his work with his previous prog metal super group Affector, so I could hear him on something like this, which oddly enough featured Neal Morse's other live drummer from his European Band tour days (before Mike and Randy started touring with him), as well as keyboards from Neal himself and Derek Sherinian.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 14, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
If Ted is involved, I'd be on top of that like Jackie on a jackalope movie starring Nick Cage.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on March 14, 2017, 05:57:51 PM
Ted is from the West Coast, so I'd love to see that be the case.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.


Dude! Spoilers!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 14, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Definitely somewhere between 0 and 100%.

If MP wanted that info out there, he would've posted it himself. Aren't you paying attention?

You're going to cause another bolded angry message!

Don't MAKE him BLOCK you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 14, 2017, 08:01:48 PM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet, even about the songwriting.  I mean, we know Derek has writing chops.  And he can play and compose on both keyboard and guitar.  I have no idea what Thal's writing skills are like.  But I also don't know that he is the sole guitar player.  There might be another.  And whoever is on bass or guitar may also be a prolific writer.  We just don't know at this point.  I'm trying to just not have any preconceived notions.  Except for the fact that most true progressive metal does little for me and generally leaves me cold, outside of a handful of bands (DT, modern FW, Redemption).

Ron Thal can write. Here is an example:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcjq5I0egOI

He's more of in the Mike Keneally / Steve Vai school of quirky songwriting, but I think he could work well with Derek.

And he can sing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnLBEiLOSCc
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 08:35:38 PM
I mean, I think we all knew has has written and he also does some singing, the question we were asking was can he write well enough and strong enough to make this band something we all care about.

That clip you showed for his writing doesn't do much to inspire me. It's not bad at all, it's just very.......been there done that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 14, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
Been there done that today, but that song was released in 1995. Mike Keneally has not even released an album back then and Derek was just starting with DT. Ron Thal recorded that in his parents' house's basement.  :rollin

Anyway, here is more recent output, written when his father died:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzBGmKqDGC8
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 08:54:07 PM
That song wasn't going to be groundbreaking in 1995 either. It was just more with the times.

And how a dude wrote 20 years ago has no impact on how he writes today.


Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 14, 2017, 10:17:54 PM
Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

Russell would be great, but he's in the process of creating a new AMOB album. And, please please please, no more Billy Sheehan. He's a great bassist, but he doesn't fit this genere at all. He ruined the PSMS stuff imo.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 10:24:22 PM
Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

Russell would be great, but he's in the process of creating a new AMOB album. And, please please please, no more Billy Sheehan. He's a great bassist, but he doesn't fit this genere at all. He ruined the PSMS stuff imo.

Oh I know, I was just talking about that video.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 14, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
Also, Mike Portnoy......Ron Thal.........Billy Sheehan? RUSSELL ALLEN!?

Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

Russell would be great, but he's in the process of creating a new AMOB album. And, please please please, no more Billy Sheehan. He's a great bassist, but he doesn't fit this genere at all. He ruined the PSMS stuff imo.

Oh I know, I was just talking about that video.

Great you found that video, though, didn't remember it at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 10:42:43 PM
I'm with Adami that while Thal's output is very well executed, it has a strong "been there done that" feeling. The most interesting song I've heard so far ("Don't know who to pray to anymore") has a very 90s feel to it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 10:59:49 PM
BTW, people are wracking their brains about a possible singer. What about the one that sang for LTE and Planet X?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
BTW, people are wracking their brains about a possible singer. What about the one that sang for LTE and Planet X?

Pretty sure John Myung is busy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 14, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 11:04:55 PM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

Yea, I'm mostly interested in seeing who the bassist is. If he picks a standard who has chops or someone with a really cool personality in his playing.



....or her.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 15, 2017, 02:40:47 AM
Happened in 2013 if you're curious what that would sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvUBm0LrRg

In the time of iPhones being able to make great videos, why do people continue recording stuff with a potato?


I hope the project is not instrumental. That's cool for like one or two albums.. but I'd really like a singer to join.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 15, 2017, 03:00:17 AM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 15, 2017, 03:29:39 AM
The censorship is strong!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2017, 07:41:46 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

Good point, it might be. Personally I hope not, but you're right there's a good possibility it is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 15, 2017, 07:44:58 AM
Instrumental would not interest me at all. I think if they want to have a chance at wider appeal (relatively speaking), it needs vocals.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 15, 2017, 07:47:09 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

And if so, I predict now, it will be a total flop except for a handful of Dream Theater fan and uber prog people. I doubt MP would go through all that trouble to do a very niche project. But who knows.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2017, 07:48:32 AM
I feel like an instrumental prog-metal group with Mike and Derek would basically just be PSMS with original tunes. That's why I'm hoping there is a vocalist, so that this is something different.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 15, 2017, 07:50:28 AM
Ron Thal and Mike Portnoy on vocals.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 15, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I would say there's a very good chance this might be instrumental.

And if so, I predict now, it will be a total flop except for a handful of Dream Theater fan and uber prog people. I doubt MP would go through all that trouble to do a very niche project. But who knows.
Agreed.  I would likely buy it, but with lukewarm interest.

That 2013 NAMM video is cool, by the way.  It's pretty neat seeing accomplished players messing around and being so loose and so tight at the same time. 

But in any case, as we continue to speculate about who the players will be, just keep in mind that there is no shortage of talent out there in the music world.  I have no doubt that whoever Mike pulled in will have serious chops.  And while there are plenty of examples of talented individuals coming together to make music that somehow doesn't manage to gel, Mike does have a pretty good track record in terms of quality output when he has a fair degree of creative control.  It isn't a "spotless" record, but it's pretty darned good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 15, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on March 15, 2017, 09:26:38 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

I think it's a matter of intent. If he just wants a fun project with some people he wants to make music with again, instrumental is fine. If he wants this to be a financially stable thing with a stronger future, then I absolutely think he needs a vocalist.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: tofee35 on March 15, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
It would be really cool if, for this project, he didn't hand pick a bunch of guys that are in existing bands. There are plenty of session guys with the chops and talent to play at this level... guys that haven't found their niche or band yet. It would be really interesting to hear MP with some really talented guys who haven't had a voice yet.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 15, 2017, 10:06:50 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

Yes, with Derek onboard, it might get compared to Planet X. Which has come out with pretty good albums and actually became a showcase for Virgil Donati's superdrummer abilities.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 15, 2017, 10:55:52 AM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin

I wonder if MP actually takes time to go through every post to see which ones violate his rule of "I'm the only one who can post info about this, if you do, I'll block you".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 15, 2017, 11:10:00 AM
I love MP but the fact that he still doesn't seem to understand how the internet works boggles my mind. I think he means well but he really comes off bad in a lot of these situations. Kinds reminds of people who take naked pictures of themselves and then freak out when they get leaked. What the hell do they expect is going to happen?

This will be a pass for me if it's instrumental.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on March 15, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Kinds reminds of people who take naked pictures of themselves and then freak out when they get leaked. What the hell do they expect is going to happen?

Well, first off, that's something COMPLETELY different. This would be a whole different situation had someone hacked into Mike's phone, stole the video, and posted it without his consent.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 15, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

Yes, with Derek onboard, it might get compared to Planet X. Which has come out with pretty good albums and actually became a showcase for Virgil Donati's superdrummer abilities.

I definitely agree on that point. I feel PlanetX was so out there in terms of skill, it would be pointless to tread that same ground, because frankly MP would fall short in that comparison anyway. He had to massively simplify that Planet X tune when they played it live.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FracturedMirror on March 15, 2017, 03:01:37 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 15, 2017, 03:13:03 PM
I wish Buckethead did more band projects, but unfortunately he seems to have really isolated himself the past couple years.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 15, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin
It amuses me that on Mike's own board you can't discuss his past band or his present band, but only the ones middle ones, and I'm not even sure all of those are fair game. Bosk should change the rules here so that we can discuss Petrucci, Myung and Kevin Moore, but Mangini, JLB and Rudess are all off limits. Portnoy and Sherinian can be discussed on odd/even days, but only he knows which is which.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 15, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.

Holy crap.  You USED TO have that?  Man, I didn't know such a thing existed.  Would kill to hear that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FracturedMirror on March 15, 2017, 05:39:33 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.

Holy crap.  You USED TO have that?  Man, I didn't know such a thing existed.  Would kill to hear that.

Yeah, I would to.  Lost them in a computer crash, and something happened to the backup discs.  There were different leaks, including some instrumental demos.  I know Shackler's Revenge was one that had a totally different solo on it than on the actual album, and that's one I've never been able to find again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2017, 06:11:13 PM
The deleting of post continues on Mikes board...

Someone asked What the best guess for the guitarplayer was now.

To which I replied: Not gonna put my foot in and risk getting deleted...

Now the question is deleted makig my answer look really strange  :mehlin :rollin
It amuses me that on Mike's own board you can't discuss his past band or his present band, but only the ones middle ones, and I'm not even sure all of those are fair game. Bosk should change the rules here so that we can discuss Petrucci, Myung and Kevin Moore, but Mangini, JLB and Rudess are all off limits. Portnoy and Sherinian can be discussed on odd/even days, but only he knows which is which.

 :lol :lol :lol

Let's sum him up:

-Loves social media.
-Gets overly defensive about any criticism or perceived slight.
-His hardcore fans are apologetic to the point of being almost scary.
-Loves to talk and say anything under the guise of "telling it like it is" and/or "setting the facts straight."

Wait, are we talking about Mike Portnoy or Donald Trump?

 :eek :eek :eek

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 15, 2017, 06:17:43 PM
All of this talk of Bumblefoot, for some reason, reminded me of the fact that Buckethead was in Guns N' Roses for awhile in 2000-2002 and Bumblefoot joined in about 2006.

I only mentioned that because I think it would be kind of funny to have Buckethead in MP's band because that dynamic would be funny to me. I've heard before that Buckethead is not easy to deal with, so I don't think it would go too well, but maybe the end result would be good.

Buckethead's great, one of my favorite players.  I used to have the entire Chinese Democracy album with all of BH's solos intact before they replaced parts with Bumble, and it was better than what ended up being released.  He's an odd guy but a brilliant player musician.

Holy crap.  You USED TO have that?  Man, I didn't know such a thing existed.  Would kill to hear that.

Yeah, I would to.  Lost them in a computer crash, and something happened to the backup discs.  There were different leaks, including some instrumental demos.  I know Shackler's Revenge was one that had a totally different solo on it than on the actual album, and that's one I've never been able to find again.

Kind of weird Bumble does solos on the few songs Buckethead wrote. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
Perhaps he has to pay a fee or something, which is likely what DT had to do when they took the albums covers of the full albums they covered and altered them a bit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 15, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
Perhaps he has to pay a fee or something, which is likely what DT had to do when they took the albums covers of the full albums they covered and altered them a bit.

Interesting theory.  I thought of that myself.  As it stands, I deleted my initial comment because I got the MP threads mixed up when i meant to post in the other. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
Okay. I threw my comments into the other thread, for the sake of continuity.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 15, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
I think an instrumental project would be a huge mistake.

I think it's a matter of intent. If he just wants a fun project with some people he wants to make music with again, instrumental is fine. If he wants this to be a financially stable thing with a stronger future, then I absolutely think he needs a vocalist.

Agreed. I wouldn't mind it being an instrumental album. Other than LTE, he hasn't done an instrumental project. It would actually be a nice change from his very few projects with singers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
As many others said here, I hope the bassist is not Billy Sheehan. He´s not in the studio with them anyways, and he´s done two other projects with MP. But I really can´t see why some of us think "Billy´s style doesn´t fit prog at all". I thought his sound blended perfectly with MP´s drums in PSMS. Is it his clothing style that bothers you? His stage presence? I know he´s associated with Talas, Mr. Big, David Lee Roth etc. and this carries an image, but aside from that, I really can´t see how his playing style "doesn´t fit prog".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 16, 2017, 06:45:19 AM
I can only answer for myself, but Billy has the worst bass sound of any bass player I know of.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 06:57:40 AM
I can only answer for myself, but Billy has the worst bass sound of any bass player I know of.

 :o :o :-\ :-\

I love him!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 16, 2017, 07:06:13 AM
As a bassist, I dislike him because he overplays everything. He can never just play the role of a bassist, he always has to be flashy. That's ok from time to time, and John Myung is a good example of that working.
Billy is a guitarist who plays a bass, nothing more.

And yeah, his tone is horrible.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 07:10:12 AM
Yeah, that must be why Eddie Van Halen, the king of tones, didn´t want him anywhere near Van Halen.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 08:19:39 AM
As many others said here, I hope the bassist is not Billy Sheehan. He´s not in the studio with them anyways, and he´s done two other projects with MP. But I really can´t see why some of us think "Billy´s style doesn´t fit prog at all". I thought his sound blended perfectly with MP´s drums in PSMS. Is it his clothing style that bothers you? His stage presence? I know he´s associated with Talas, Mr. Big, David Lee Roth etc. and this carries an image, but aside from that, I really can´t see how his playing style "doesn´t fit prog".

I think it's because he's a scientologist  :lol

I love Billy's playing.  The only reason I'd say I'd rather him not be involved is because he already is involved with MP's other projects.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2017, 08:38:55 AM
I've never had a problem with Billy's playing or sound.  I never heard him in Talas.  He does go crazy and play more of a "lead bass" in PSMS or, say, Vai solo stuff.  But not in more "straightforward" rock.  While still definitely "flashy," I never really felt like he was taking over in Mr. Big, DLR, or Winery Dogs.  I'm not saying others can't feel that way, or that you can't feel like his style just doesn't suit you.  Just saying, it never really stood at to me as a problem.  And if he were to be in this project, I'm not sure his flashy, sometimes over the top style is out of place in a genre where bands do things like having three bassists and a "lead bass" approach.  Heck, look at JM's approach in the Majesty/WDADU days. 

That said, it doesn't seem like he is involved in this, which is fine.  I know for me, I would prefer him to NOT be involved.  But that isn't necessarily because of his playing.  Hopefully, Mike has put together a lineup and will help guide the writing of the songs such that the players compliment each other and nobody's particular playing style detracts.  For me, my reasoning is simply because he has recently worked on two projects with Billy, and adding Billy to yet another project would just feel to me a bit incestuous and like he cannot break out of the usual cast of characters.  But we'll see.  I'm optimistic, and I hope the music lives up to the hype.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 16, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
I actually like Billy in the projects that he's been in. I love Mr Big, feel he's fine in TWD etc. He's just a very narrow player, he doesn't veer off far from his regular play.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2017, 10:12:11 AM
As a bassist, I dislike him because he overplays everything. He can never just play the role of a bassist, he always has to be flashy. That's ok from time to time, and John Myung is a good example of that working.
Billy is a guitarist who plays a bass, nothing more.

And yeah, his tone is horrible.

I'm a bassist, and agree 100% with what you said, specially the bolded part.

Now, it isn't fair to criticize Billy without giving an example of someone who, imo, does all these things right. So, who is a prog/rock/metal bassist who has crazy good technique, knows when to stand out and when to lay back, who also has AMAZING tone, is very versatile and would fit this band so much better? Bryan Beller :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PowerSlave on March 16, 2017, 10:21:07 AM
Colin Edwin has the best bass tone/sound that I've ever heard. I read an interview with Joey Vera a year ago where he says the same thing. I take that as high praise.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
Colin Edwin has the best bass tone/sound that I've ever heard. I read an interview with Joey Vera a year ago where he says the same thing. I take that as high praise.

Oh yea, his tone is great.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2017, 10:24:53 AM
As a bassist, I dislike him because he overplays everything. He can never just play the role of a bassist, he always has to be flashy. That's ok from time to time, and John Myung is a good example of that working.
Billy is a guitarist who plays a bass, nothing more.

And yeah, his tone is horrible.

I'm a bassist, and agree 100% with what you said, specially the bolded part.

Now, it isn't fair to criticize Billy without giving an example of someone who, imo, does all these things right. So, who is a prog/rock/metal bassist who has crazy good technique, knows when to stand out and when to lay back, who also has AMAZING tone, is very versatile and would fit this band so much better? Bryan Beller :metal

Bryan is awesome too. Here´s an example of his chops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8KBvUCV6Co&list=PLJltKoeJOXNPeepHQn0Sj4bkfMh707PqN
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 16, 2017, 12:56:38 PM
I've never cared for Sheehan's rock style of playing at all, and as others have said he's pretty rigid in that regard; a guitarist playing a bass. I dug the hell out of him in Niacin, though, and that suggests to me he could play quite well in a prog group, but only if he commits to not trying to be EVH for a while. I agree with others that I'd really prefer for him to not be the bass player in this gig, but I'm certainly interested in hearing him do something different for a change. Dude's too talented to keep playing the same boring stuff all the time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 16, 2017, 12:59:24 PM
The problem with having Derek Sherinian and Billy Sheehan in a project together is that they both play their instruments as if they are guitars. It was ok with PSMS because it seemed like a part of the project was giving all the players their own spotlight. If this project is going to have original music, I'd rather have a bass player who can lock in better with Portnoy. Otherwise it risks going off the rails. LTE was great partly because Tony Levin could hold it down while everyone else took off. I'm sure his background as a session player helped in that area.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2017, 02:08:25 PM
I'd rather have a bass player who can lock in better with Portnoy.

I might be wrong, but as a bassist and drummer myself, I don't think Mike's approach has ever been "I should keep grooving with (insert bass player's name here) so everything sounds tight". I think he's much more concerned on the musical relationship he has with the guitarists or the other lead instrumentists he plays with. That's why most of the time his drum lines don't acknowledge what the bass part is doing, but instead he tends to overplay in an effort to make his drum parts stick out.

I find MP has never had, in my opinion, a bass/drums connection with any bassist he's played with, as good as, let's say, Peart/Lee.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 16, 2017, 03:07:07 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 16, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
In my humble opinion, Billy and MP have something very big in common which is probably why they work so well together. They both excel at the styles they play and their very own unique sound, but they're not versatile musicians in any sense of the word in a way that, for example, Virgil Donati is. Also, they both know what their respective fans expect from them and they know how to deliver them that, which is a skill hardly mastered by lots of musicians.

Billy sounds great in his Billy stuff, but I can't imagine him going out of his comfort zone; and I think that such same thing applies with MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on March 16, 2017, 04:03:07 PM
I just don't want to see them in 2 bands.  I want diversity in the sound of each band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 16, 2017, 04:49:52 PM
I just don't want to see them in 2 bands.  I want diversity in the sound of each band.
MP is not the poster boy for diversity lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 16, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
I just don't want to see them in 2 bands.  I want diversity in the sound of each band.
MP is not the poster boy for diversity lol

Well, Mike is in 3 bands with Neal Morse, so...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on March 16, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
 :lol


Leave Neil out of it!  Well, now you know why I said that, it's the other players.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 16, 2017, 10:26:36 PM
I've never seen Mangini's style described as simple. one of the major criticisms of him is that his playing isn't simple enough.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2017, 10:41:26 PM
Pretty sure if we turn the MP thread into an MM discussion, MP will explode in rage.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Progmetty on March 16, 2017, 11:26:29 PM
50$ says this won't be the only or last time MP tours with DT songs within the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PowerSlave on March 17, 2017, 01:49:48 AM
50$ says this won't be the only or last time MP tours with DT songs within the next 5 years.

I don't think anyone would take you up on that bet. I'm happy that he's revisiting them as long as the songs are done well. In fact, I haven't seen DT since they toured for SC, but I'm thinking about checking this out live if the material is good. I had to give away a ticket to see him with NMB a couple of months ago due to work obligations. I don't plan on missing him play live the next time I get the chance.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 17, 2017, 06:51:38 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.

It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 17, 2017, 07:24:44 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.



It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

100000% agreed!!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 17, 2017, 08:00:51 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.

It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

What? If anything, it's MP who sounds complicated when you hear him but is actually easy to play while Mangini sounds like he's playing something basic (like in Enigma Machine) but is actually difficult.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: tofee35 on March 17, 2017, 10:06:43 AM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

I have been trying to figure out why I enjoy MP's drumming more than MM's. I think you nailed it for me. This is a more precise description than "MP has better groove than MM". Thanks, man.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 17, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
I think both are true. True, you don't hear it directly, i.e. especially the snare and bass drum usually just follow the instruments, but when you listen and hear the complicated stuff he plays on say the cymbals, a lot of us think "impressive, but not really adding much".

Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

I have been trying to figure out why I enjoy MP's drumming more than MM's. I think you nailed it for me. This is a more precise description than "MP has better groove than MM". Thanks, man.

You should check out Gavin Harrison's explanation of his beat in "Sound of Muzak". It's exactly that, he plays a twisted beat, but it oddly sounds straight.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 17, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

That's why Mangini's style is often seen as "simple", because he's trying to lock in with the rest of the band, as opposed to trying to come up with more in your face ideas that will make the drum parts stand out.

It is not humanly possible for me to disagree with this statement any more than I already do.   I get it, opinions, but when Mike left, DT went from a "first day, all albums, singles, live shit and whatever" buy, to "yeah, if I hear something I like, maybe I'll get it" buy.    And some of it was the intangible stuff, but a large part of it is that, while he's a technical monster, Mangini always seems so... jarring to me.   I wrote something like this back when ADTOE came out, and I think it's still applicable:   Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

What? If anything, it's MP who sounds complicated when you hear him but is actually easy to play while Mangini sounds like he's playing something basic (like in Enigma Machine) but is actually difficult.

I'm not at all referring to the actual difficulty of playing.  I'm not a drummer, so to me, what both of them play is "actually difficult", and besides, I find in my own playing (guitar), what I find "easy" and what another player finds "easy" are often different.  I'm just referring to the impression I get from listening.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 17, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

Dude. Absolutely this. You finally made clear to me why I like MPs drumming more than MMs. I could never explain it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 17, 2017, 11:01:39 AM
To me that's the same as saying that MP has more groove and MM is more technical (robotic) in their playing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
I love listening to both drummers.

But my personal drumming style was definitely based, in part, on MP.  And when I listen to MP, no matter what piece he is playing, I am hearing something that I understand and could, with practice, eventually play a reasonable facsimile thereof.

A lot of MM's stuff I can hear, but what he does and what I do are two different things.  He is beyond me in every way.  Most of his drumming with DT I could never, ever come close to doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 17, 2017, 04:41:04 PM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.

Dude. Absolutely this. You finally made clear to me why I like MPs drumming more than MMs. I could never explain it.

I'm curious what these drum parts are that MM make it sound more difficult than it really is. Specifics, anyone?

The only thing I can think of are the polyrhythms where he's complementing two instruments at the same time. In which case, are we saying we don't want this new element in drumming in DT? That's going backwards and not being progressive at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on March 17, 2017, 04:47:42 PM
A lot of his single-stroke work on cymbals comes to mind. That's not really that playable for most drummers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: CDrice on March 17, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Mike P plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 4/4, and Mike M plays in 9/8 and it sounds like 237/96.
I'm curious what these drum parts are that MM make it sound more difficult than it really is. Specifics, anyone?

I must say that I'm curious about that too. I'm no drummer, but nothing he has done with DT strikes me as being more complex/hard for the sake of it than anything Portnoy has done. Actually, like erwinrafael wrote earlier, I personally feel like Mangini generally sounds more restrained than Portnoy (not that there's anything wrong with with MP's drumming). I mean, after reading and seeing interviews, I know that Mangini do like his 236 over 96 polyrhytm ( :lol), but I really don't feel it when I listen to the band's music.

Anyway, the thing I retain from this is that it's actually interesting (and sometimes perplexing) to see how different people react so differently to the same thing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 17, 2017, 06:36:44 PM
Here's a poor analogy that I thought up of earlier today when thinking about this topic - Portnoy is more of the Arts, while Mangini is more of the Sciences. What I mean by that is that MP's drumming is done for show, it's flashier and more entertaining, there for audio and visual amusement and fun, creating a sound that is engaging and exciting to everyone. MM's drumming is methodical, scientific and well-thought out, very formulaic and strategic, laid out in patterns and mathematically pieced together to sound consistent with the rest of the band's rhythms.

Both have their pros and cons, but I think what we should take away from this whole "debate" is that, those of us who were tired of MP's drumming were more likely to find MM more appealing, whereas those of us who find MM's drumming to be out of reach for understanding were probably fans of MP's more showy and bombastic style of drumming. This assumption is probably way off base, but I figured I'd put it out there to see if anyone agrees.

As a drummer of over 20 years, I've grown to appreciate very complex and technical drummers, people like Thomas Lang and Gavin Harrison, but Mike Mangini takes the technicalities to new levels, and his explanations only solidify that feeling that he's very scientific in his drum-part-building, whereas Portnoy is a "bag of tricks and tools" kind of drummer, who will do what the song needs but won't be afraid to color around the lines, so to speak, and I think that's what a lot of fans like about his drumming.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PowerSlave on March 17, 2017, 06:54:45 PM
Here's a poor analogy that I thought up of earlier today when thinking about this topic - Portnoy is more of the Arts, while Mangini is more of the Sciences. What I mean by that is that MP's drumming is done for show, it's flashier and more entertaining, there for audio and visual amusement and fun, creating a sound that is engaging and exciting to everyone. MM's drumming is methodical, scientific and well-thought out, very formulaic and strategic, laid out in patterns and mathematically pieced together to sound consistent with the rest of the band's rhythms.

Both have their pros and cons, but I think what we should take away from this whole "debate" is that, those of us who were tired of MP's drumming were more likely to find MM more appealing, whereas those of us who find MM's drumming to be out of reach for understanding were probably fans of MP's more showy and bombastic style of drumming. This assumption is probably way off base, but I figured I'd put it out there to see if anyone agrees.

As a drummer of over 20 years, I've grown to appreciate very complex and technical drummers, people like Thomas Lang and Gavin Harrison, but Mike Mangini takes the technicalities to new levels, and his explanations only solidify that feeling that he's very scientific in his drum-part-building, whereas Portnoy is a "bag of tricks and tools" kind of drummer, who will do what the song needs but won't be afraid to color around the lines, so to speak, and I think that's what a lot of fans like about his drumming.

-Marc.

I'm not a drummer, so what I say next is at risk of making myself look like an ass.

MM is Bill Bruford, and MP is Alan White. When I listen to older Yes, I get the feeling that BB is way more technical than AW, but AW feels more accessable  and easier to listen to. Is this a good example, or am I way off base?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2017, 10:42:55 PM
How about getting this guy on bass? I was blown away when I saw this, and also maybe my favorite bass tone yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5wHQGJxOQ




Also, to tie it in to the other discussion, that's an example of extremely complicated playing with lots of groove. So they're not exclusive.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: arkdtmp on March 18, 2017, 01:11:14 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 18, 2017, 02:38:49 AM
Here's a poor analogy that I thought up of earlier today when thinking about this topic - Portnoy is more of the Arts, while Mangini is more of the Sciences. What I mean by that is that MP's drumming is done for show, it's flashier and more entertaining, there for audio and visual amusement and fun, creating a sound that is engaging and exciting to everyone. MM's drumming is methodical, scientific and well-thought out, very formulaic and strategic, laid out in patterns and mathematically pieced together to sound consistent with the rest of the band's rhythms.

Both have their pros and cons, but I think what we should take away from this whole "debate" is that, those of us who were tired of MP's drumming were more likely to find MM more appealing, whereas those of us who find MM's drumming to be out of reach for understanding were probably fans of MP's more showy and bombastic style of drumming. This assumption is probably way off base, but I figured I'd put it out there to see if anyone agrees.

As a drummer of over 20 years, I've grown to appreciate very complex and technical drummers, people like Thomas Lang and Gavin Harrison, but Mike Mangini takes the technicalities to new levels, and his explanations only solidify that feeling that he's very scientific in his drum-part-building, whereas Portnoy is a "bag of tricks and tools" kind of drummer, who will do what the song needs but won't be afraid to color around the lines, so to speak, and I think that's what a lot of fans like about his drumming.

-Marc.

I'm not a drummer, so what I say next is at risk of making myself look like an ass.

MM is Bill Bruford, and MP is Alan White. When I listen to older Yes, I get the feeling that BB is way more technical than AW, but AW feels more accessable  and easier to listen to. Is this a good example, or am I way off base?

Cant agree with that but I get how you could feel that way. ;)

I am also not a drummer, so I also might risk making an ass of myself: I always found Bill to be a better groover than Alan. Yes, Bill's playing is more complex and Alan's is more intuitive. But Bill always played very accessible to me, too. It never sounded too complex at first listen. He just played rock music as a jazz drummer would, not unlike Phil Collins in the 70s (of course Phil was influenced by Bill, not the other way round).

Bill's jazzy style fitted perfectly with Yes' music imo. Although Alan also did a really good job on Tales, Relayer, GFTO, Tormato (that's right) and Drama, plus the according live albums - Yes were a POWERHOUSE live in the 70s!

After that he basically became a drum machine.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 04:30:44 AM
What it comes down to me :

i. I like Mangini much more as a person but I liked Portnoy's drumming more.

ii. Portnoy's drumming was more musical to my ears & Mangini's playing is more mathematical.



Also Mangini's kit is definitely more efficient and - for the most part - not just big for the sake of it. Portnoy's double kit was just silly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on March 18, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
I agree to with there Kotow. MP brought an element of life to the band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 18, 2017, 11:01:12 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. The big thing about these parts is that while MP is locked in with the rest of the band, the parts still have their own identity. That to me is the biggest difference between Portnoy and Mangini. MM tries to blend with the other instruments while MP plays to the song but allows his playing to stand out.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 18, 2017, 11:07:26 AM
I'm in a strange place in DT land as of now :

Before SC, I absolutely loved MP's drumming. But as with all drummers with a bag of tricks, I've grown bored of his drumming. Plus, his personality even before the split had already begun to rub me the wrong way. Neddless to say, what's happened since then has defintely sealed the case for me.

I like MM's personality more than his drumming, because I feel MM is a drummers' drummer. When I listen to him play, I don't feel the same things as when I listened to MP play. And, unfortunately, his personality hasn't made me love his drumming more.

Back to the OP : I would like to see Jorn Lande as a singer for MP's new band.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 18, 2017, 03:47:35 PM
How about getting this guy on bass? I was blown away when I saw this, and also maybe my favorite bass tone yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5wHQGJxOQ


Virgil would have been bored to death in DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2017, 03:50:42 PM
How about getting this guy on bass? I was blown away when I saw this, and also maybe my favorite bass tone yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5wHQGJxOQ


Virgil would have been bored to death in DT.

I think that came through on that audition documentary where he tried to re-write parts of TDOE to make it more interesting for him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2017, 06:10:30 PM

1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
 

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. 

That section is pretty bad ass, and just listening to on its own makes it even more annoying that it is smack dab in the middle of what is otherwise a very mediocre song.  That instrumental section deserved a much better song written around it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 18, 2017, 07:05:14 PM
That instrumental section also deserved a better keyboard solo.

But yeah, that drumming is both delightful to watch, and listen to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: PROGdrummer on March 18, 2017, 09:19:26 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. The big thing about these parts is that while MP is locked in with the rest of the band, the parts still have their own identity. That to me is the biggest difference between Portnoy and Mangini. MM tries to blend with the other instruments while MP plays to the song but allows his playing to stand out.

THAT drum part was the catalyst for me becoming interested in music as a whole. It was my inspiration for picking up the drumsticks and diving down the rabbit hole of prog and heavy metal. Literally a life-changing musical moment.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on March 19, 2017, 08:00:05 AM
I've always thought that MP's playing had a certain lyrical quality to it. There's definitely no drummer whose parts make me feel like air drumming along as  frequently as Mike's.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 19, 2017, 08:22:53 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 08:35:03 AM
FFS.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 19, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
So I guess I officially don't know that Bumblefoot is involved? Okay. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 19, 2017, 08:40:00 AM
 :corn :corn :corn

I hope he reacts like this at least every other day until they release an album (or he loses his shit all together and rage quits)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 19, 2017, 08:40:26 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

This is getting so ridiculous. He behaves like a kid. This is my band! This is my forum! It's my ice cream and you can't have any!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Peace and Love on March 19, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 19, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....

So someone makes a mistake but fans should realize "Hey, this was clearly a video made by someone who was just working in the studio, we should not discuss it and forget about it"?

Really, was it so hard to tell essentially that, but changing the angle to "I know someone posted a video that shouldn't have been posted, please, those of you who got wind of it don't spoil the surprise to anyone else who wasn't even aware of such video"? nobody broke into the studio. Nobody stalked it out at night to see who was coming and going. Nobody hacked a cellphone. Someone in the studio made a mistake in filming the rehearsals, so the cat was out of the bag.  I don't see anything wrong and difficult in coming up with "I know an unofficial video was leaked, please, those of you who know don't spoil the surprise for anyone else and refrain to discuss is further, I know it's not your fault"?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

This is getting so ridiculous. He behaves like a kid. This is my band! This is my forum! It's my ice cream and you can't have any!

Yes but it's endlessly amusing :)  :corn :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
He really is the gift that keeps on giving. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: CDrice on March 19, 2017, 09:33:49 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!

The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 19, 2017, 09:42:23 AM
All this talk of MP vs MM made me actually miss MP being in DT.

But then this post comes along and it makes me so glad he's not involved anymore.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 19, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!

The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.

Not with that terrible snare sound it doesn't.
I think Enemy Inside has some of the best MM moments in DT. That cymbal pattern in the main riff is awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 19, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Yes. Has Mangini ever created any drum fill as air drum worthy as the one going into the TDEN first

verse?

MAYBE his mini solo in Enigma Machine???

Definitely a couple of the big fills in Illumination Theory are very air drummable!

The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.

Many of his parts in The Astonishing are air-drummable as long as you don't mind what his other limbs are doing.  :lol

Mangini is not really an air-drumming machine. His genius is best appreciated when you listen to the song as a whole and hear how his drums are enriching what the other members are doing (like his bass giving the oomph to James' "rap" in The Path That Divides). It's really quite different from MP's style, although MP does veer into that "orchestrate-to-complement-the-other-instruments" territory in In the Presence of Enemies Part 1.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 19, 2017, 10:25:07 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

He's unleashing all the social media goodies he hadn't unleashed in the past year and a half or so lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Whatever happened to his paid tweet service ?

Where you pay like $3 a month to get exclusive tweets or videos ?

Did that last more than 1 month ? :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 19, 2017, 11:10:04 AM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that... 

He's referring to Derek's keyboard tech, who originally posted the Bumblefoot video on Instagram. The way Mike talks about him makes it sound like he leaked the album.  :\

Quote
Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else

...is he trying to hide the fact that Derek is involved?  :facepalm:
I don't understand why a person would be this up in arms about hiding who's involved with this project. People mentioned that maybe the final lineup hasn't been decided, well then maybe wait till you have a finalized lineup before announcing said project?
When/if Bumblefoot is confirmed, this whole drama is gonna look even more stupid.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on March 19, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
He's referring to Derek's keyboard tech, who originally posted the Bumblefoot video on Instagram. The way Mike talks about him makes it sound like he leaked the album.  :\

The way Mike talks it makes it sound like he leaked the Pentagon Papers.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 19, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol

It is deadly important to him...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 19, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol

It is deadly important to him...

Well of course it is, but what Rumby is hinting at is that in the grand scheme of things, it is not important at all, it's just music. I would have liked MP to handle the situation just as DT did when someone saw MM going out of the studio and we all knew it was him the new drummer. Tell nothing. But, what could I expect from MP?

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 19, 2017, 12:29:05 PM
Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

WTF?!?!? Calm down, my man, or you will have a heart attack! And SHOUTING won't make you heard more easily, quite the contrary.
Well, I might have checked what that band would be. Now, I'm sorry, I won't. I'm just so tired of all his outbursts.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
Hey Mike - what's your set up on this album ? :)


@MikePortnoy 2m

Do *NOT* make me block you. I have *NOT* confirmed *I* am the drummer!!
And neither have *THEY*. Whoever *THEY* may or may *NOT* be!!!!




Yes I'm kidding :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 19, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
It's amazing Mike has not learned yet that there's no way anyone whines on social media and comes out looking good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
I think it's partially because he surrounds himself with a bubble he has very tight control over. The moment he is forced to deal with anything outside of that, especially something as wild and uncontrollable (and often belligerent) as the internet, he virtually implodes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on March 19, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
The way Mike talks about it he makes it sound as if this shit was important :lol

It is deadly important to him...

Well of course it is, but what Rumby is hinting at is that in the grand scheme of things, it is not important at all, it's just music. I would have liked MP to handle the situation just as DT did when someone saw MM going out of the studio and we all knew it was him the new drummer. Tell nothing. But, what could I expect from MP?

B.Lee

I don't remember that. What did MP do regarding MM?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
Only thing I can think of is that MM confided to MP that he was the new drummer - MP told Eddie Trunk and Eddie Trunk revealed it before DT did.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
The drum fill that leads into Live, Die, Kill is probably one of my favorite drum moment in the band's discography. And I might be alone in this, but I find that most of the self-titled album gives me the urge to air drum.

I'm with you on this one! I love Mike's drumming in DT12 and definitely air drum to a lot of his drum lines.


Meanwhile at the MP cave he wrote:

Thank you MOOG...you seem to "get it" 
 
For those of you that STILL don't and for the record: the person that posted that video was NOT supposed to have (and was not an "official" source) and was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake

So it was NOT one of "us" that leaked/posted that...

Again, (and why I have to explain or justify myself on MY OWN website/Forum is ludicrous), the ONLY "official" information that has/will be posted so far is what I posted on my Social Media (as well as the matching "Del Fuvio" post by somebody else)

Several people here (again, you know who you are...don't make me name names) RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT....
 
Like it or not, these are my wishes/rules....
This is MY Forum and this is MY band!
 
Respect it or else...

After this, I'm done (should say DONE) following MP in social media and completely lost interest in whatever comes out from this band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 04:47:47 PM
I would say that would be as much of an overreaction as MP's was.

If it's good music, I will listen to it, if not then not. Simple as that. Given the lineup I'm not on the edge of my seat, but it's a new thing, and it would be silly to not at least give it a shot.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
I wonder how far a musician would have to go as a person to make it impact how I view their music.

I mean, I still love Mel Gibson movies, and my favorite director once said he really empathized with Hitler, so I guess they'd have to go REALLY far to impact me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
Ted Nugent is probably on that short list, at least for me. Luckily he never produced anything of particular interest to me anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 19, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
He just never should have said anything about recording and then just announced the band when material was ready  and he wanted to announce stuff. This was bound to happen. Doesn't he know that he's dealing with fans that cleared an out of focus picture of a lyric in the DT12 session or transcribed a piano piece from a studio video. This was inevitable  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on March 19, 2017, 06:59:12 PM
The thread about this project on his forum is gone.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 19, 2017, 07:08:56 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 19, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
 :tdwn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 07:37:06 PM
I would say that would be as much of an overreaction as MP's was.

If it's good music, I will listen to it, if not then not. Simple as that. Given the lineup I'm not on the edge of my seat, but it's a new thing, and it would be silly to not at least give it a shot.

Same here. I haven't been a fan of Portnoy the person for probably 15 years now, yet in that time span, I've bought probably close to 20 studio albums he's been on.  Like you said, good music is good music.

The thread about this project on his forum is gone.

Wait, really?  So, you can't talk about his old prog metal band (Dream Theater) on there, and now you can't talk about his new one (Stumblebum Meets Bumblefoot) either?  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 19, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
You're not allowed to talk about DT on there? Is it just DT's current activity or DT period?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 19, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
HIS forum! HIS band! HIS decision!

Someone should go open a new thread and see what happens.

"Since the last topic got deleted, I figured I would make a new one. Here was can discuss MP's new progressive metal band which may or may not include Derek Sherinian, Bumblefoot, and an unauthorized keyboard tech"

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
Eh, trolling another forum for the hell of it is so 2004. :P :lol

Besides, a Mike Mangini appreciation thread is a much better idea. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2017, 08:17:01 PM
I would say that would be as much of an overreaction as MP's was.

If it's good music, I will listen to it, if not then not. Simple as that. Given the lineup I'm not on the edge of my seat, but it's a new thing, and it would be silly to not at least give it a shot.

Same here. I haven't been a fan of Portnoy the person for probably 15 years now, yet in that time span, I've bought probably close to 20 studio albums he's been on.  Like you said, good music is good music.

Oh, absolutely. If I buy another album with MP on it, it'll be because I like the other musicians and their music (NMB, TA, FC), not because of his involvement. I'll, of course, listen to this new band once the full lineup is announced and a single or something is released, but, untill then, I've lost all the interest I had. I think he's a great drummer, but makes TERRIBLE decisions when it comes to the relationship with his fans, and, sadly, he has lost me as one.

I really doubt he cares and me not following him anymore doesn't mean anything to his career, but I can't stand his way of managing these things and I, a marketing student in my last year of career, know a thing or two about the importance of building good relationships with your customers and having a healthy public image, none of which he seems to have at the moment.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on March 19, 2017, 08:19:13 PM
I tend to think this forum is overly critical of MP, but he is definitely out of line on this one.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 19, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
What band? If there's no thread about it, I'm sure there's no new progressive metal project with MP...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 19, 2017, 09:24:21 PM
:corn :corn :corn

I hope he reacts like this at least every other day until they release an album (or he loses his shit all together and rage quits)

...and then sues the band when they won't let him back in after they've found a new drummer.  :lol

Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 19, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
I think for spite someone should go start a side project with all the musicians that he denied might be involved.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 09:32:42 PM
Just Bumblefoot?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2017, 09:35:52 PM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 19, 2017, 09:43:01 PM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-mike-portnoy-recruits-bumblefoot-derek-sherinian-for-new-progressive-metal-supergroup/


Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-mike-portnoy-recruits-bumblefoot-derek-sherinian-for-new-progressive-metal-supergroup/


Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?

He's gonna be really mad at this  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 19, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?
I'm sure he would if he could. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 19, 2017, 11:17:31 PM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.

Wait..  he did what, when? Fired JPs guitar tech???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 19, 2017, 11:36:00 PM
Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?
I'm sure he would if he could. :lol

I wonder which came first this Blabbermouth piece or his deleting of the thread?

He probably deleted the thread as an angry reaction to seeing the Blabbermouth post. Sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bl5150 on March 19, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
In tribute to Blabbermouth and Ron Thal , MP is calling his new band Bumblemouth.  Rather fitting .

Rumoured album cover for the self titled debut.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeqE6W0XEAAMpzd.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 04:26:33 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-mike-portnoy-recruits-bumblefoot-derek-sherinian-for-new-progressive-metal-supergroup/


Think MP will shut down Blabbermouth?

He's gonna be really mad at this  :lol



 :corn :corn :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2017, 06:21:58 AM
From the comment section:

Ross Alexander Cameron
Together, they'll be an unstoppable force. No British hospital will make them queue now!

:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: utopiarun on March 20, 2017, 06:31:03 AM
I know I'm an old guy but sometimes I wish that it was like the old days, you didn't know when an album was coming out until basically it was out and you didn't have this constant interaction with the artists and we didn't know what pricks they were.

I really like the music that MP makes (contributes to), but I can't stand the man. And that affects my interest in his projects. When he came out and said TSOAD was up there with Tommy and The Wall I instantly was very critical of it. It's a really good album and I missed the chance of seeing them because of MP's arrogance, but I will catch them the next time around. And if he brings the Shattered Fortress to NYC as he wants (one more "once in a lifetime" chance) I will go see it, because the music is what is important.

Is it a wonder why JP hasn't in all likelihood spoken to the man in almost 7 years? Sorry to bash on MP, but he is such an easy target and he just doesn't get it and never will.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 20, 2017, 06:39:58 AM
The Shattered Fortress thing has been really interesting to me as well. First it's a "once in a lifetime" thing for the cruise. Then, it becomes a "few times in a lifetime" with several festival bill headline spots. Now it's a small tour.

More is better, right? Well, I don't know. I don't go on the cruises, and I don't fly to other cities to go see the prog festivals, so I personally don't care as much - I'm not spending any money to see this thing debuted "once in a lifetime" around every corner. But I do know a few people who spend quite a bit of money going to the prog cruises and traveling to these prog festivals, and I would be curious to hear if they aren't a little peeved by having the same event constantly sucking the air out of the room.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 20, 2017, 06:44:06 AM
The Shattered Fortress thing has been really interesting to me as well. First it's a "once in a lifetime" thing for the cruise. Then, it becomes a "few times in a lifetime" with several festival bill headline spots. Now it's a small tour.

More is better, right? Well, I don't know. I don't go on the cruises, and I don't fly to other cities to go see the prog festivals, so I personally don't care as much - I'm not spending any money to see this thing debuted "once in a lifetime" around every corner. But I do know a few people who spend quite a bit of money going to the prog cruises and traveling to these prog festivals, and I would be curious to hear if they aren't a little peeved by having the same event constantly sucking the air out of the room.

Also, there wouldn´t be ANY professional filming of this once in a livetime event. How much do you want to bet that MP will announce a Shattered Fortress DVD once this (so far) small tour gets going?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Art on March 20, 2017, 06:44:50 AM
I tend to think this forum is overly critical of MP, but he is definitely out of line on this one.

This.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 06:50:26 AM
How much do you want to bet that MP will announce a Shattered Fortress DVD once this (so far) small tour gets going?

100%.

1 0 0 % .

Also : http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48404.msg2213257#msg2213257

So we both know when we're right :biggrin: :hifive:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 20, 2017, 07:05:43 AM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.

Wait..  he did what, when? Fired JPs guitar tech???

Yeah, don't think I've heard that story before... When did that happen?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 20, 2017, 07:09:06 AM
Hey Mike - what's your set up on this album ? :)


@MikePortnoy 2m

Do *NOT* make me block you. I have *NOT* confirmed *I* am the drummer!!
And neither have *THEY*. Whoever *THEY* may or may *NOT* be!!!!




Yes I'm kidding :P
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 20, 2017, 07:47:58 AM


Seriously though, how the hell can anybody work with this guy?

I've said for a while that working with Neal Morse is the one thing that seems to calm him down and make him act like a rational person.  Put him in other projects and look out. Put him in control and here lies the result.  And it's a good reminder of the way he acted the last few years in Dream Theater.  His attitude and persona as the voice of the band took a lot of the fun of being a fan, at least for me.  Sure, maybe the guys don't do some of the little things he used to, but when they come with all of this nonsense, I'll take the alternative.

This. I'm surprised he didn't fire the keyboard tech like he fired Petrucci's guitar tech without checking with him. Perhaps he doesn't have that kind of power anymore so he has to take it out on random internet people on *HIS*!!!! $#32* forum.

Wait..  he did what, when? Fired JPs guitar tech???

Yeah, don't think I've heard that story before... When did that happen?

Don't remember. It's in the Lifting Shadows book and I don't have it handy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 08:08:52 AM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ChuckSteak on March 20, 2017, 08:25:25 AM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?
I agree. People should create a thread "bash and insult MP, his media comments and whatever he does/says here". This thread and the Shattered Fortress one are mostly people talking about how ridiculous everything he posts or says on social media is. I think if it was a different DT member who did that the moderators would intervene. But since he left DT and he posts such stuff, it is ok. Some people maybe see him as a "traitor" and allow themselves to bash ANYTHING that he posts.

As much as I also think that he exaggerates sometimes, it is his band, his forum, his tweeter and he can do whatever he wants. If he doesn't want people speculating or posting stuff about the members of his new band, why can't people just accept it and move on?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2017, 08:26:52 AM
Because this is the internet and it's entertaining as hell. And also, when MP makes demands to the internet at large, there can really be only outcome, and it's entirely deserved at that point.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on March 20, 2017, 08:38:41 AM
He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"?
Who said that? You put "horrible person" in quotes, as if people here were saying it, and no one has said anything like that at all. The worst thing that I see is one single person implying that he might be a "prick". No one here called him a horrible person.

The next time you want to criticise us for blowing things out of proportion, maybe don't do that yourself at the same time? :lol

Anyone here doing this for a living?
What has that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on March 20, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Stadler, just like you are criticizing some of us for what we are saying online, some of us are criticizing him for what he said online.  I don't think anyone thinks he is a horrible person, he seems like a nice guy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on March 20, 2017, 09:27:37 AM
Y'know, it's funny, because MP complains about internet fans all the time... but I've gotta say, some of my earliest memories of being a DT fan are reading MP interviews where he would totally eviscerate Lars Ulrich, at-the-time modern Rush, and Queensryche. So he should definitely understand what it's like to be a fan shooting the shit. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 20, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?

Look, Stadler, you're acting as if you knew MP personnally. There's no need to be up for him every single time somebody makes a negative comment. Plus, as Rumby said, it's only music we're talking about. Granted, some of the comments may seem harsh, but MP's trying to control everything is calling for that. Making music for a living may induce him to react like that, I don't know, but from a PR point of view, it's a catastrophe because I feel he's pushing some fans away from him. Given Bosk's words, apparently, he couldn't care less, but we'll see once the project is up.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 20, 2017, 09:56:56 AM
MP is well within his right to control the content posted in his own forum. But the way he handled this "leak" is really poor, putting much of the heat on forum posters when much of the fault is within his team.

He's not a horrible person. He just handled this brouhaha horribly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 10:03:17 AM
MP is well within his right to control the content posted in his own forum. But the way he handled this "leak" is really poor, putting much of the heat on forum posters when much of the fault is within his team.

He's not a horrible person. He just handled this brouhaha horribly.
Exactly.  If people were bashing him as a person, we would come down on that and not allow it.  People are specifically addressing how he handled this situation and are keeping it factual, and that is all fine. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2017, 10:06:58 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 20, 2017, 10:16:56 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.

Yup, that's how I feel too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.

Yup, that's how I feel too.

I agree.... this seems to be the case
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 20, 2017, 10:27:03 AM
He just handled this brouhaha horribly.

I think he's handled a lot of brouhaha poorly in social media.  I don't know him, so I can't say anything about him personally, but I assume he isn't such a bad person.  My guess, and only a guess, is that he's a very emotional dude and the negativity probably effects him more so than others who are in the spotlight.

Yup, that's how I feel too.

I agree.... this seems to be the case

I think so as well, but, honestly, he should take it easy and not be so offensive. As I said before, I think his attitude is doing him a great disservice in the long run.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 20, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
My problem has always been his complete inability to distinguish critique from bashing. His regard of this forum has always been the best example of that. He's quite well liked over here and criticism is leveled pretty fairly. Yet to hear it from him this is merely where all of his haters come to post and barely a notch above BM.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on March 20, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
I don't know if I missed it over the years but has he outright critized this forum or was it just something that he said to bosk?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 10:43:14 AM
My problem has always been his complete inability to distinguish critique from bashing. His regard of this forum has always been the best example of that. He's quite well liked over here and criticism is leveled pretty fairly. Yet to hear it from him this is merely where all of his haters come to post and barely a notch above BM.
Bingo.  That sums it up perfectly.  I almost feel like I owe you fees for the therapy that that post accomplished.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: El Barto on March 20, 2017, 10:48:04 AM
I don't know if I missed it over the years but has he outright critized this forum or was it just something that he said to bosk?
On his forum DTF is referred to as "that other place" and he frequently cites it as the land of the haters. This predates the divorce, BTW. When he was in DT he had the same opinion because constructive criticisms weren't promptly deleted as they were at his forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
My problem has always been his complete inability to distinguish critique from bashing. His regard of this forum has always been the best example of that. He's quite well liked over here and criticism is leveled pretty fairly. Yet to hear it from him this is merely where all of his haters come to post and barely a notch above BM.
Bingo.  That sums it up perfectly.  I almost feel like I owe you fees for the therapy that that post accomplished.   :biggrin:

That's really the gist of it, I agree. MP sadly has a tendency of dividing the world into a "with me" and "against me". With that approach however he pushes a solid number of people who otherwise would be "I'm with you, but maybe only 80%" into the "against me" camp.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 20, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
I don't know if I missed it over the years but has he outright critized this forum or was it just something that he said to bosk?
On his forum DTF is referred to as "that other place" and he frequently cites it as the land of the haters. This predates the divorce, BTW. When he was in DT he had the same opinion because constructive criticisms weren't promptly deleted as they were at his forum.

Just asking, but isn't that what a dictator would do?  :eek
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"?
Who said that? You put "horrible person" in quotes, as if people here were saying it, and no one has said anything like that at all. The worst thing that I see is one single person implying that he might be a "prick". No one here called him a horrible person.

The next time you want to criticise us for blowing things out of proportion, maybe don't do that yourself at the same time? :lol

Anyone here doing this for a living?
What has that got to do with anything?

"Horrible person" in quotes because there are about ten or more posts that bash him AS A PERSON - the ones where they can't even deal with the band/music because of HIM, or they would be fans but for his presence - though admittedly none actually use those words.  If you'd like me to use other words I will.   It was meant to categorize the personalization of the views towards him.

The "for a living" is relevant, because we're talking about MIKE'S JOB.   We're just a bunch of people metaphorically (for the most part) sitting in our mom's basement commenting on the world as if we know something.   He's actually talking about his next source of income.  Whether he "should" or "shouldn't" is not our call.  He does.   It's up to him.   I object to the notion that "once he throws it out there, all bets are off!" as if there's no call on our part for any decorum or reservation.  After the break up, at the "third site", there were many - meaning more than one or two - posts that were outright anti-Semitic, and even a handful that flat out called him a pedophile with his kids.   Really?   The egregiousness of his short patience span with people who clearly don't give a fuck about him warrants that?   

As for me blowing something out of proportion, well, I'm kind of the only one standing up, so you give me a lot more credit than I deserve.   I merely made an observation that didn't jibe with yours.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Stadler, just like you are criticizing some of us for what we are saying online, some of us are criticizing him for what he said online.  I don't think anyone thinks he is a horrible person, he seems like a nice guy.

Not so much; I think most people are like you described; but there are a couple here that have taken it further.  It's that I'm responding to. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
The third site, I assume, is 5/8, which is a forum that is intentionally over the top and offensive.  It's irrelevant to the discussion here.

I've never met a person who was a drama queen on social media and then wasn't in real life.  How people act on social media is usually a good gauge of their true selves.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 12:09:45 PM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?

Look, Stadler, you're acting as if you knew MP personnally. There's no need to be up for him every single time somebody makes a negative comment. Plus, as Rumby said, it's only music we're talking about. Granted, some of the comments may seem harsh, but MP's trying to control everything is calling for that. Making music for a living may induce him to react like that, I don't know, but from a PR point of view, it's a catastrophe because I feel he's pushing some fans away from him. Given Bosk's words, apparently, he couldn't care less, but we'll see once the project is up.

B.Lee

For the record I don't know him personally.   And actually sometimes I feel like I DO have to say something.  No, not every single time, but I think respectfully, you're grossly over-simplifying the comments.   There was a whole line of discussion - which prompted the thought that I shuld say something - that was along the lines of "I can't deal with this guy; I can't be a fan, I can't listen to the music, who would WORK with this guy, yadda yadda yadda", and I have to say, the record doesn't support that at all.    With only a handful of exceptions, it seems like most people WOULD work with him, and some again and again.    Right now, it appears there are only FOUR people that won't work with him again.   And actually, two of those haven't entirely ruled that out. 

I frankly don't disagree with your point on the PR side of things - I get that - but I politely disagree that it is 'about the music'.  There's no music to be discussed; we're discussing HIM, and some of the comments HAVE been harsh.  I've already noted some of them above, so I won't repeat them, but...   I just don't agree that "he asked for it".   That's playground stuff.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
The forum has rules as to what constitutes taking it too far, or bashing him as a person. If things get too far, you can report it to Bosk who will hammer that person into a pulp.




and




Just because some people are responding differently than how you personally would, doesn't mean that they're "horrible people".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2017, 12:14:07 PM
How people act on social media is usually a good gauge of their true selves.

I disagree and agree, to a degree :lol But that's a good discussion for another thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Stadler, we aren't discussing MP as a person.  We are discussing his actions, and specifically, what many consider his inappropriate responses to fans.  And more specifically, some of us are discussing his responses to those fans that comprise this forum. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 20, 2017, 12:40:14 PM
I get where Portnoy is coming from...its ironic because he said that yet YOU all criticize him for what he feels. And it is his right to choose what is realised.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
No, he can feel however he feels.  The issue is what he does publicly.  Lashing out at others publicly, and in many instances, hitting below the belt in doing so, isn't cool.  If you can't see the difference, sorry.  I don't know what to say to you. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 20, 2017, 12:55:37 PM
All I'm saying is he can post what he wants....we are no different from the news reporting this and that...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2017, 12:56:02 PM
No, he can feel however he feels.  The issue is what he does publicly.  Lashing out at others publicly, and in many instances, hitting below the belt in doing so, isn't cool.  If you can't see the difference, sorry.  I don't know what to say to you.

100% this
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bertielee on March 20, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
I still think some of you are overly harsh.    He's such a "horrible person" because he handles social media different than you (say you) would had you been a celebrity?    That's all it takes to be "horrible"? 

And MIKE is the one that blows stuff out of proportion?  At the very least, it's his career.  Anyone here doing this for a living?

Look, Stadler, you're acting as if you knew MP personnally. There's no need to be up for him every single time somebody makes a negative comment. Plus, as Rumby said, it's only music we're talking about. Granted, some of the comments may seem harsh, but MP's trying to control everything is calling for that. Making music for a living may induce him to react like that, I don't know, but from a PR point of view, it's a catastrophe because I feel he's pushing some fans away from him. Given Bosk's words, apparently, he couldn't care less, but we'll see once the project is up.

B.Lee

For the record I don't know him personally.   And actually sometimes I feel like I DO have to say something.  No, not every single time, but I think respectfully, you're grossly over-simplifying the comments.   There was a whole line of discussion - which prompted the thought that I shuld say something - that was along the lines of "I can't deal with this guy; I can't be a fan, I can't listen to the music, who would WORK with this guy, yadda yadda yadda", and I have to say, the record doesn't support that at all.    With only a handful of exceptions, it seems like most people WOULD work with him, and some again and again.    Right now, it appears there are only FOUR people that won't work with him again.   And actually, two of those haven't entirely ruled that out. 

I frankly don't disagree with your point on the PR side of things - I get that - but I politely disagree that it is 'about the music'.  There's no music to be discussed; we're discussing HIM, and some of the comments HAVE been harsh.  I've already noted some of them above, so I won't repeat them, but...   I just don't agree that "he asked for it".   That's playground stuff.

You're wrong if you think we're discussing him as a person, because it's not the case. We're discussing his attitude and we're doing it in a manner that is far more restrained than MP's. As to your last comment, it's condescending and frankly, you won't get people agreeing with you with comments like that. I'm 46 and I don't need to be lectured that way. Let's just leave it at that.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2017, 01:17:40 PM
Stadler, we aren't discussing MP as a person.  We are discussing his actions, and specifically, what many consider his inappropriate responses to fans.  And more specifically, some of us are discussing his responses to those fans that comprise this forum.

For the most part, yes. I agree.  And I'm not making any comment on that aspect of it.   But there were a few that, while I don't think they did anything to explicitly break any forum rules, were extrapolating his actions out to areas that I thought might suggest that deep down, it WAS personal.

I mean, Bosk, can you really say that "how can ANYONE work with him", given his track record of working with COUNTLESS people in the industry, many on multiple occasions and in multiple projects, is not an inferred personal attack?   Clearly there's at least some evidence that he's not a drama queen in real life. 

Look, I really don't have a dog in this hunt.  I don't know the guy any more (and probably less) than many of you.  I do think he probably does - as el Barto says - cloud the line between "critique" and "bash".   So be it.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nachtmerrie on March 20, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
No, he can feel however he feels.  The issue is what he does publicly.  Lashing out at others publicly, and in many instances, hitting below the belt in doing so, isn't cool.  If you can't see the difference, sorry.  I don't know what to say to you.

100%!

I love his music and are really looking forward seeing him 3 times over the next months.
However, his communication about the new 'project' feels embarrassing while just reading it.
I just can't believe a 50 year old men is reacting like a little child while the whole 'problem' is within his own organisation.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2017, 02:13:15 PM
Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 02:15:21 PM
Hey guys i've got a new supergroup with 4 mystery people ! More details soon !


:) supergroup ? I wonder who it could be ?


STOP TALKING ABOUT MY SECRET PROJECT !!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 02:17:56 PM
Hey guys i've got a new supergroup with 4 mystery people ! More details soon !


:) supergroup ? I wonder who it could be ?


STOP TALKING ABOUT MY SECRET PROJECT !!!


My bet is on Kevin Moore and Buckethead.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group.

I find it strange too... he wanted people to know that he and Derek were in the studio together in a "prog metal supergroup" but then everything else should be secret for months on end. It's not even building any hype.

I fail to see the reasoning behind that strategy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
Hey guys i've got a new supergroup with 4 mystery people ! More details soon !


:) supergroup ? I wonder who it could be ?


STOP TALKING ABOUT MY SECRET PROJECT !!!


My bet is on Kevin Moore and Buckethead.

DooDoohead is already confirmed 😏😏
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on March 20, 2017, 02:22:19 PM
Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group.

Because a tech working in the studio posted a video where in the last split second you could see and recognize Bumblefoot, and he doesn't want that info leaked and therefore discussed.

Which is perfectly fine - what I find weird is how he blames the fans when someone in the studio screwed up. It's not like fans hacked a phone or stalked the studio with paparazzi equipment. Someone in the studio posted a video. Cat's out of the bag, damage's done, all he needed to say was one line about "I know there was a video out there but people were not supposed to see it, so please, those of you who know, don't spoil the surprise to everyone else and don't discuss it!".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 20, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
I find it hilarious people have resorted to the old, "Oh you meanies will criticize him no matter what he does!" and only provide select examples of people only criticizing him when he is really out of line.  :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2017, 07:56:08 PM
All I'm saying is he can post what he wants....we are no different from the news reporting this and that...

No one is saying he can't post what he wants, but when a 50-year old musician celebrity routinely acts like a potty teenager on social media, it is going to be talked about, and not usually in a positive manner.


Look, I really don't have a dog in this hunt.   

This is sarcasm, right?  Every time there is a poop storm talked about here because of something Portnoy said (which is A LOT), there are a handful of people I always expect to swoop in and have Portnoy's back the second any time someone goes over the line, and you are one of those people.  You even admitted to being a "MP fanboy" the other day, but now you don't have a dog in this hunt?  Sure.

Maybe I am understanding this wrong, but if he makes hints about a super group, why is he deleting comments about people speculating about such a group?  Seems thats exactly what you would want if you are going to make a public statement about this mysterious group.

Because a tech working in the studio posted a video where in the last split second you could see and recognize Bumblefoot, and he doesn't want that info leaked and therefore discussed.

Which is perfectly fine - what I find weird is how he blames the fans when someone in the studio screwed up. It's not like fans hacked a phone or stalked the studio with paparazzi equipment. Someone in the studio posted a video. Cat's out of the bag, damage's done, all he needed to say was one line about "I know there was a video out there but people were not supposed to see it, so please, those of you who know, don't spoil the surprise to everyone else and don't discuss it!".

Yep.  This should have been so easy to handle from a PR standpoint.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 20, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
All I'm saying is he can post what he wants....we are no different from the news reporting this and that...

Actually we are different. When someone disagrees with something we say, our response isn't "I have a RIGHT to POST what I WANT to post!!!!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2017, 12:27:34 AM
When MP speaks, this forum becomes worse than The View.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 21, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
Maybe we can go back to speculating who is in the supergroup.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 21, 2017, 02:59:34 AM
I think Bumblefoot could be in, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 21, 2017, 03:12:13 AM
Bumblefoot would be sweet, who do you guys think could be the bass player? Conner Green?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2017, 04:10:32 AM
Wonder who the drummer is?  :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2017, 04:20:32 AM
Mike Mangini
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on March 21, 2017, 04:23:02 AM
Bubblebutt.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2017, 05:34:38 AM
(http://rs682.pbsrc.com/albums/vv182/totesmagotes69/scuzzlebutt.jpg~c200)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 06:17:56 AM
Scuttle Butt.


Stevie Ray Vaughn CONFIRMED :coolio


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on March 21, 2017, 06:53:48 AM
What's funny about the whole thing is that by his words and actions MP all but confirmed that Bumblefoot is involved. He could of just said that Bumblefoot was recording a new album at the same studio or something and this would be a non-story. I think that MP just wants complete control over everything and in the age of social media and the internet that's practically impossible. The way he handled his forum really turned me off. I hardly post or visit there anymore and this type of stuff doesn't help my desire to go back.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 07:02:16 AM
I've said it before but MP was my favourite member of Dream Theater when he was in the band.

Ever since he quit he's done all he can to put me off him as a person.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on March 21, 2017, 07:36:51 AM
Love MP and his passion for the fans and music but I'm not quite sure what happened with this attempt at hype. He let us know there
was a new prog metal supergroup recording and of course all of us begin the natural course of action...speculation and guessing at
WHO is in the band. It's 100% guaranteed we are all going to do this, especially since this is the 1st such project since he left DT.
But for reasons only he and the members know he decides it's not appropriate to speculate about this yet so the plug is pulled on all
comments. I guess I'll just have to trust that there is some significant reason why there has to be such a veil of secrecy about this
but all in all it's pretty confusing.

Still anxious for the album though. I've been waiting for MP to go back to his roots for years now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 21, 2017, 07:49:05 AM
This is sarcasm, right?  Every time there is a poop storm talked about here because of something Portnoy said (which is A LOT), there are a handful of people I always expect to swoop in and have Portnoy's back the second any time someone goes over the line, and you are one of those people.  You even admitted to being a "MP fanboy" the other day, but now you don't have a dog in this hunt?  Sure.

Not sure what you want of me?   I conceded before - and will again - to being a fanboy.  But it's not as if I'm blind or immune to what he does.  I see it.  I just don't think it's all that big a deal.   Maybe I'm used to it because I was married to someone like that.  HAHA.      And by "no dog in this hunt", meaning, I don't make any money off this, I'm not a member of his organization, I've never met the man so there's no personal interest, I'm not willing to burn any relationship bridges over this, and at the end of the day we're talking about a "band" (maybe) that hasn't released a note of music.  So no, I don't really have a dog in this hunt. 

I DO think people are too harsh on him.  Always right to the "he's such a CHILD!"  How come there are so few - if any - mentions that maybe he was protecting Bumblefoot for some reason?  Thal has that project with Scott Stapp that is trying to make a go of it; maybe he just laid down some sick beats in the studio on the condition that "hey don't tell anyone; I don't want to blow my main gig", and MP was just throwing some support his way?  He can't actually SAY that, but he did say "there's a method to my madness".   

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Which is perfectly fine - what I find weird is how he blames the fans when someone in the studio screwed up. It's not like fans hacked a phone or stalked the studio with paparazzi equipment. Someone in the studio posted a video. Cat's out of the bag, damage's done, all he needed to say was one line about "I know there was a video out there but people were not supposed to see it, so please, those of you who know, don't spoil the surprise to everyone else and don't discuss it!".

Yep.  This should have been so easy to handle from a PR standpoint.

This is a very fair point; it was a legit way to handle it and probably would have avoided all the calamity.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 21, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
It's just daft. It's clear he wanted there to be hype as he was releasing teasers. I mean if no one had given a rats ass then I'm sure he'd have been pissed about that too. The only thing I can think is that he wanted there to be loads of hype and speculation but for everyone to be way off base. The fact that it all came out pretty quickly made him lose his rag and he was angry. It's like he wanted to out smart all his fans and keep everyone guessing but failed, so had a tantrum. That's just my take on it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 21, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
MP has a long history of sticking his foot in his mouth. This isn't the first time, and it isn't the last. What surprises me is that after all these years of doing it, and knowing he does it, and I assume then regretting it to a degree afterward, why he continues. I mean, let's not kid ourselves -- for example, he lost the A7X gig not because the band wanted someone else, or because MP himself was "too busy," but because of his big mouth. He knows it, everyone knows it. He can spin it anyway he wants it, and A7X (who seems very good at handling publicity) quite nicely sidestepped the issue, but the reality is, MP likely had that gig in the can after doing a record and touring, and he just killed it because of his mouth.

But whether someone buys that or not, it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -- MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online. Not all the time, but when he has something big he is working on, he really needs to use a filter he can trust to do the right thing. Because clearly, there is an issue.

I applaud MP for wanting to be connected directly with fans of his work. That says something really good about a famous musician who makes it a point to have that connection. But we're all flawed, and MP's flaws are magnified because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. And I don't say any of this out of hate of MP. I'm very excited for his new project. But the way he's treating fans (threatening to ban them, etc.) is just more of the same BS. He should know better by now.

Here's hoping this blows over, and everyone maintains excitement over his new band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 21, 2017, 08:10:56 AM
But whether someone buys that or not, it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -- MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.

You clearly have never dealt with a micromanager :lol
Wanting to do everything because "otherwise it doesn't get done right" is their nature.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 21, 2017, 08:12:24 AM
I think it would have been better for MP to keep quiet until the summer instead of throwing out the bone he did and expect the hounds to be satisfied until months have passed.

Does anyone think it was good marketing to just announce a prog metal supergroup is in the works but not give anymore info and say that you wont know more until summer?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 21, 2017, 08:17:40 AM
I think it was a mistake to even call it "prog metal supergroup". It's total clickbait, and likely can't live up to its expectations.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2017, 08:27:26 AM
Does anyone think it was good marketing to just announce a prog metal supergroup is in the works but not give anymore info and say that you wont know more until summer?

I don't think the announcement was bad, but if you are going to have issues when people start putting the pieces of the puzzle together or get mad when things leak, then it's probably a poor decision to make that public.

I think it was a mistake to even call it "prog metal supergroup". It's total clickbait, and likely can't live up to its expectations.

This too.  I think using the term supergroup is a bad idea, unless in fact this turns out to be a true supergroup unlike anything we had seen from MP before.... but that appears to not be the case at all  and maybe the fact people are discovering this before the full announcement is what is ticking him off? 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 21, 2017, 08:30:48 AM
But whether someone buys that or not, it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -- MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.

You clearly have never dealt with a micromanager :lol
Wanting to do everything because "otherwise it doesn't get done right" is their nature.

 :lol

No, I have, because I am one by nature.  :lol But I learned that while it is helpful to a point, for much bigger success, you need to focus where your strengths are, and let people who know what they're doing handle the tasks that you aren't quite as strong at. To this day, I'm still really surprised MP hasn't made a similar realization.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 21, 2017, 12:00:02 PM
MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.
It's a sad day when you can say "MP has something in common with the SCROTUS."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 12:05:16 PM
Who is Scrotus ?  :P


Supreme Court Republican Of The United states Military

:neverusethis:

Is that why he's so wrinkly
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 21, 2017, 02:11:52 PM
Who is Scrotus ?  :P


Supreme Court Republican Of The United states Military

:neverusethis:

Is that why he's so wrinkly
So-Called Ruler Of The US (Trump)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.
It's a sad day when you can say "MP has something in common with the SCROTUS."

I can't remember if it was this thread or the other one, but I pointed out the extreme similarities between him and Trump.  And I didn't even think of the "he needs someone to oversee his social media activity" one. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 22, 2017, 02:24:26 PM
http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/rumors/are-ex-dream-theater-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-keyboardist-derek-sherinian-back-together

They're not letting it rest :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
:lol if I was a reporter over at BM - i'd make a full report of every single rumour about MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 22, 2017, 02:34:23 PM
MP needs to use a professional to vet what he says online.
It's a sad day when you can say "MP has something in common with the SCROTUS."

I can't remember if it was this thread or the other one, but I pointed out the extreme similarities between him and Trump.  And I didn't even think of the "he needs someone to oversee his social media activity" one. :lol :lol

We need Zydar's Photoshop skills.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
i'll have a go too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8lCLf7X.jpg)

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 22, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
 :lol


 :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 03:01:45 PM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 22, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
I'm still chuckling. Perfect. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on March 22, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
:lol if I was a reporter over at BM - i'd make a full report of every single rumour about MP.

https://youtu.be/q6EoRBvdVPQ?t=6s
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 22, 2017, 07:29:06 PM
http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/rumors/are-ex-dream-theater-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-keyboardist-derek-sherinian-back-together

They're not letting it rest :lol

Well, I think MP wants to speculate about Derek being in the group so that part is fine...at least I think, according to MP's wishes, or what we have put together.

It's the fact that they mention Bumblefoot which is NOT an approved rumor which makes it too far...I think. 

I mean, the hints he threw down with Derek were pretty obvious, right?

So....I guess we just need MP to tell us what rumors we are allowed to talk about.  He should probably make metal injection aware as well. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on March 22, 2017, 07:30:01 PM
It's Trumpnoy! Nice job, Koto.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Fritzinger on March 23, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8lCLf7X.jpg)

Oh God don't let him see this :D I think this would freak him out!

BTW if I remember correctly MP has always stayed pretty neutral on social media when it came to politics.. Not to start an OT here, but do you guys think he voted for Trump?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on March 23, 2017, 01:42:47 AM
I don't know about MP but JP had something to say about Trump.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_give_trump_a_chance_i_like_him.html
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 23, 2017, 02:41:06 AM
I vaguely remember a Facebook post from Mike a few months ago which implied that he didn't like Trump, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: arkdtmp on March 23, 2017, 02:56:29 AM
I've said it before but MP was my favourite member of Dream Theater when he was in the band.

Ever since he quit he's done all he can to put me off him as a person.

Whoa, this surprised me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 23, 2017, 03:01:44 AM
I don't know about MP but JP had something to say about Trump.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_give_trump_a_chance_i_like_him.html

It's not hard to tell what JP is. If you look at his Twitter account, he always followed the Republican candidate. It doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Sycsa on March 23, 2017, 04:29:39 AM
Regardless of where you stand, that JP quote about Trump was classy and tactful. What Edmund Burke said at the end of the article is the exact opposite, and it mirrors the smug liberal attitude which put Trump in office in the first place.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 23, 2017, 04:39:16 AM
JP isn't one to be intentionally controversial, regardless of what anyone around him says.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2017, 06:04:44 AM
Regardless of where you stand, that JP quote about Trump was classy and tactful.

I wish other musicians/celebrities took that approach as well.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 06:31:22 AM
I can't imagine great things being in store unless Trump gets impeached and he is replaced by someone who isn't completely inept.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 23, 2017, 07:35:05 AM
Regardless of where you stand, that JP quote about Trump was classy and tactful.

Yeah, I think we discussed this interview in P/R when it came out, and that was my take as well. JP is just being classy and reasonable.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2017, 10:03:19 AM
This is not the P/R subforum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: The Letter M on March 23, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
So I had this thought while at work yesterday - whenever Mike (because he'll be the first one to announce it) reveals who is in the band other than Derek, how does he expect this fans (that have been following this so far) to react? With fake surprise, or blind adoration? Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised. If it turns out that it was Bumblefoot all along, then most of us will probably react with "Well, see, there ya go...told ya so" feelings, and I can guarantee that will illicit some sort of reaction from Mike (probably mass post deletions on Facebook posts).

If he's smart, whenever another announcement is made, it should just be the guitarist so we get that out of the way. If he saves that announcement for last, it'll be a horrible anti-climax, especially since we don't have any idea who the bassist or vocalist may be. Announce the guitarist next, then the bassist, and end on a high note with the vocalist and band name. I think that might have the best possible reaction, going in that order, and depending on who the vocalist is, maybe by then, we may have all gotten over this whole thing with video-leaks and MP-control and what not.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2017, 11:01:25 AM
He should just release everything at once when it's all confirmed and settled for sure.  Puzzles aren't any fun when someone gets upset when pieces of the puzzle get solved.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 11:16:04 AM
He should just release everything at once when it's all confirmed and settled for sure.  Puzzles aren't any fun when someone gets upset when pieces of the puzzle get solved.

How did DT react when someone figured out part of False Awakening from the short studio clip ?

Pretty sure - if memory serves - that JR or JP said it was " pretty cool " that someone was able to figure it out from a quick screen grab of some MIDI.

It was either that or they didn't mention it at all. Both of which would be classier than whatever MP is trying to achieve.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 23, 2017, 12:37:48 PM
He should just release everything at once when it's all confirmed and settled for sure.  Puzzles aren't any fun when someone gets upset when pieces of the puzzle get solved.

How did DT react when someone figured out part of False Awakening from the short studio clip ?

Pretty sure - if memory serves - that JR or JP said it was " pretty cool " that someone was able to figure it out from a quick screen grab of some MIDI.

It was either that or they didn't mention it at all. Both of which would be classier than whatever MP is trying to achieve.

Or when people started to find the artist who did Astonishing images... they did not "attack" fans for finding out too much as I recall
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
And when the tour poster was found saying

The Astonishing

DREAM THEATER


Long before the album title was announced....Nothing.

And when a band was in the same studio as Noel Gallagher recording his secret first album - they tweeted about it.

Noel didn't say a thing. He didn't confirm or deny it. He ignored it and got on with it.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2017, 01:40:14 PM
To me if he just came over for a jam - it makes NO Sense that MP would be so mad.

If it's NOT him just say something like " Oops ! Someone jumped the gun in the studio ! Were we in the same studio and were jamming ? Is he doing a guest spot ?

you'll just have to wait and find out !! "

Not bite fans heads off when they did precisely 0 for the actual info getting out....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on March 23, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
I thought it might be a variation on what Hef said; that maybe somehow the leak made Mike look bad to Bumblefoot for some reason, or created some legal/licensing headache.   Not as if this is the first time Mike's done this, though, so that can't be all of it. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 23, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

You don't book the studio for a whole week, go through the process of perfectly miking the whole kit (the pics he posted of his kit look it's a recording setup, not just a live setup), setup Derek's 12235245603526894173 keyboards, etc. for just an auditio. He clearly is working with the band either as the main guitarist or, as you also said, as a special guest or something similar, but still that doesn't justify MP's reaction at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
I thought it might be a variation on what Hef said; that maybe somehow the leak made Mike look bad to Bumblefoot for some reason, or created some legal/licensing headache.   Not as if this is the first time Mike's done this, though, so that can't be all of it.

Maybe true

Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out. 

Also maybe true.

But the problem for me is, none of that is likely true given the initial tweet/social media post by MP.  You don't announce a new super group if the "super" part isn't in place yet.  You also, typically, don't get a recording studio if the band is not ready yet.  (Some bigger bands can likely do this with a bigger budget).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 23, 2017, 06:09:01 PM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out.

It's OK for him to get pissed. I just wish he did not take it out on the fans.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: DT2003 on March 23, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out.

It's OK for him to get pissed. I just wish he did not take it out on the fans.
Exactly and that's the problem I have. Someone in the studio posted a video that Mike didn't want posted and then when his fans comment on it and post about it, he gets pissed at them. Then you have a guy (moog) post a message praising Mike and saying how fans disrespected Mike and Mike responds by saying "moog gets it" and then threatens his fans that he won't put up with it and will "shut that shit down" which is eventually what happened. I've been a HUGE supporter of Mike for the past 23 years and when I saw his Facebook post teasing this band initially I was so excited as I've been waiting for him to do this since he left DT. I have to say though my excitement has diminished a bit given all that's happened.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Moor on March 24, 2017, 05:21:35 AM
So I had this thought while at work yesterday - whenever Mike (because he'll be the first one to announce it) reveals who is in the band other than Derek, how does he expect this fans (that have been following this so far) to react? With fake surprise, or blind adoration? Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised. If it turns out that it was Bumblefoot all along, then most of us will probably react with "Well, see, there ya go...told ya so" feelings, and I can guarantee that will illicit some sort of reaction from Mike (probably mass post deletions on Facebook posts).

If he's smart, whenever another announcement is made, it should just be the guitarist so we get that out of the way. If he saves that announcement for last, it'll be a horrible anti-climax, especially since we don't have any idea who the bassist or vocalist may be. Announce the guitarist next, then the bassist, and end on a high note with the vocalist and band name. I think that might have the best possible reaction, going in that order, and depending on who the vocalist is, maybe by then, we may have all gotten over this whole thing with video-leaks and MP-control and what not.

-Marc.

Personally I do not care about announcements and staff! All I care about is the outcome, meaning the music itself.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2017, 11:01:26 AM
Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised.
Technically, we don't know that Bumblefoot will be in the band.  He could have just been in the area and came over to jam.

He could have been auditioning for a spot in the band (and not gotten it).

He may not be THE guitarist, but just recording a solo for one song (i.e., not a member of the band, but doing a guest spot).

It could be any of those, or something else entirely.  So I totally get why MP was pissed that it got out.

It's OK for him to get pissed. I just wish he did not take it out on the fans.
Oh, sure.  I am not in any way defending his PUBLIC reaction.  That was as bad as always.

I was just commenting on M's suggestion that we already know who the guitarist is.  Well, not necessarily.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 24, 2017, 11:52:56 AM

So I had this thought while at work yesterday - whenever Mike (because he'll be the first one to announce it) reveals who is in the band other than Derek, how does he expect this fans (that have been following this so far) to react? With fake surprise, or blind adoration? Like...we all already know who the guitarist is, and unless we are all wrong and it doesn't turn out to be him, only THEN can we be truly surprised. If it turns out that it was Bumblefoot all along, then most of us will probably react with "Well, see, there ya go...told ya so" feelings, and I can guarantee that will illicit some sort of reaction from Mike (probably mass post deletions on Facebook posts).

If he's smart, whenever another announcement is made, it should just be the guitarist so we get that out of the way. If he saves that announcement for last, it'll be a horrible anti-climax, especially since we don't have any idea who the bassist or vocalist may be. Announce the guitarist next, then the bassist, and end on a high note with the vocalist and band name. I think that might have the best possible reaction, going in that order, and depending on who the vocalist is, maybe by then, we may have all gotten over this whole thing with video-leaks and MP-control and what not.

-Marc.

I'd agree with all that. However, it could be possible that if MP sees this as a long term, permanent band, he's also knee deep in making sure the band gels, and everyone is on the same page. And then once they do (and if they do), then signing contracts and getting legalities out of the way (I am sure after his DT experience, he is probably making sure things are clearly spelled out). Just because he has people in mind, and they worked together for a week or so, doesn't mean everything is GO yet, or even that they HAVE "A" singer. They might just be jamming, to see how it goes, record some demos, and then bring in a few singers later on, and see how everyone fits together in the same room, and hanging out.

If this IS a permanent thing, he's smart to take his time about the whole thing, and like he said, get it all set up, and once the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, if it is a BIG announcement (in terms of the singer), the label involved obviously would want to put together a sizeable marketing campaign.

So there could be a lot of factors in play. Bumblefoot potentially being the guitarist (or ONE OF the guitarists) is out there, and it obviously was a "leak" from MP's perspective. But again, perhaps MP doesn't know yet how the band is going to shape up other than him and Derek. And if that's true, I get why HE just wants to be the guy teasing things, and doesn't want things to get out of control.

Is he going about it the wrong way? In my opinion, yes. But I also do understand that there may be other reasons why he is trying to control the situation. Things may be really fluid right now, and he might not want to reveal too many people and details and then change them later (which he'd get crucified for, I'm sure).

So yes, MP could handle this better. BUT, I am sure there is a LOT more behind the scenes going on, and a lot of that is probably contributing to a lot of the secrecy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2017, 01:58:33 PM
What better way for a band to gel than watching him blow up on Twitter!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on March 24, 2017, 03:17:43 PM
What better way for a band to gel than watching him blow up on Twitter!

The other thing I realized -- IF Bumble is in the band, he has another band that is going to tour extensively soon -- Art of Anarchy, who released its first album with Scott Stapp today. So MP might also have been trying not to steal his potential bandmate's spotlight or take away from their album launch with rumors about him being in MP's band.

I just ordered the record today, and I forgot Bumble was in that band (I really liked their record with Scott Weiland, and I think Stapp will do a fine job).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 24, 2017, 05:39:44 PM
The other thing I realized -- IF Bumble is in the band, he has another band that is going to tour extensively soon -- Art of Anarchy, who released its first album with Scott Stapp today. So MP might also have been trying not to steal his potential bandmate's spotlight or take away from their album launch with rumors about him being in MP's band.

Good point.  In a speculation perspective, best for MP to learn from that after his tenure with A7X since that kinda coincided with him leaving DT and I'm sure people, at the time, was pointing the fingers at A7X as the main reason why he left DT and A7X, reasonably so, didn't want to deal with that kind of drama as it was affecting what was really important which was the music and their latest album at the time, Nightmare, which was a very important album to them in all fronts (commercially, personally, etc.).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on March 24, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
I know the earlier Photoshop was mostly done in jest, but there definitely is a similarity in character between those two. Whenever things don't go according to plan, a scapegoat needs to be found and publicly slaughtered.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: clinks63 on March 24, 2017, 11:43:25 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.
Not to be anal about this, but there are PLENTY of examples with MP 'locking in' with the other instruments:
1. Constant Motion: https://youtu.be/EjtfpfW-Ogk?t=245 This is perhaps the best example, not just of MP locking in, but of why I think his drumming trumps anyone else's on Earth. There are very few drummers I've heard who can come up with such interesting, creative parts.
2. The Great Debate: https://youtu.be/4z6vpiXQJNA?t=127 Locked in with guitars, bass.
3. The Dance of Eternity: https://youtu.be/PfydR1CQ76k?t=223 Locked in with full band.
4. Stream of Consciousness: https://youtu.be/c52g8k7hFcI?t=184

To me, that section in Constant Motion is the single greatest drum part ever written. The big thing about these parts is that while MP is locked in with the rest of the band, the parts still have their own identity. That to me is the biggest difference between Portnoy and Mangini. MM tries to blend with the other instruments while MP plays to the song but allows his playing to stand out.

THAT drum part was the catalyst for me becoming interested in music as a whole. It was my inspiration for picking up the drumsticks and diving down the rabbit hole of prog and heavy metal. Literally a life-changing musical moment.

this!
constant motion

i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s

Doesn't sound like it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SystematicThought on March 25, 2017, 10:35:05 PM
Actually, he did quite well, it sounded really good. And with the way MM's kit is set up, doing 16th notes on the hi-hat with two hands can't be easy or at least there's more reaching than with a normal kit. I wish more of the video focused on him, but I understand that it's a Petrucci solo...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 25, 2017, 10:42:42 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2017, 11:13:39 PM


i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s

If you made that bet in Vegas, you'd be broke.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2017, 01:57:19 AM
I think MMs version is a good show of how they're different. He almost entirely doubles the accents/hits of the guitar, while MP was also filling in the spaces between hits and notes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 26, 2017, 04:19:51 AM
MP sid better live with the hi-hats. MM did better with the bass drums. As expected.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: lucasembarbosa on March 26, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

100% agreed, he totally nailed it!

SO ENERGY

POWER
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2017, 06:57:09 PM
Love the comments:
"Labrie has 4 arms" :lol


Yes, MM kills this! :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2017, 07:02:48 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

100% agreed, he totally nailed it!

SO ENERGY

POWER

Ugh, I wish I liked that song, because you're right, he really does nail it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nattmorker on March 26, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

He absolutely nailed it! I really enjoy watching MM playing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on March 26, 2017, 09:20:31 PM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 26, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
It's hard to match Mangini when the song calls for metal-style drumming.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bill1971 on March 27, 2017, 10:24:03 AM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.

It would be better if MM stood up and spit during the song.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on March 27, 2017, 10:26:57 AM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.

It would be better if MM stood up and spit during the song.

Yeah and needs more WAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOO in the mic.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2017, 10:54:16 AM
I think MM nailed the part! However, the MP era song, from that tour, that Mangini really KILLED (on a good way) and, imo, played even better than Portnoy, was Panick Attack. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMnjSL129I  :metal

That's pretty damn good. It actually makes the song worth listening to.

It would be better if MM stood up and spit during the song.

Yeah and needs more WAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOO in the mic.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: clinks63 on March 30, 2017, 02:59:18 AM


i bet MM was struggling!
https://youtu.be/VzeZpfqp-tY?t=4m
https://youtu.be/Dyo0dQegGW8?t=4m2s

If you made that bet in Vegas, you'd be broke.

 :angel:

MP sid better live with the hi-hats. MM did better with the bass drums. As expected.

this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

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SebaChannel1 year ago
is it me? or mangini couldnt handle the solo? he he used the bass pedals lol
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Colmill052
Colmill0521 year ago
Why would he play it the same? And if I am right, the kicks are a bit too cranked on the mix. If he could play the quick pre solo section, which is grueling, I doubt he cant do it but the mix hid the toms
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Colmill052
Colmill0521 year ago
Seriously that part with the hi hat and quick tom fills still is exhausting
ossibossi100
ossibossi1001 year ago
+SebaChannel Except he didn't?
SebaChannel
SebaChannel1 year ago
+ossibossi100 im not sure, but i think this comment was supossed to be in other video xd
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wondaful91 year ago
ur right bro. I'm wearing earbuds. and he couldn't handle the solo. he used his kickers at the end. I think it's because of the way his set is. the decabons are probably too high for him to hit them that quickly. and his toms are set too complexed for that. but yeah, I was a lil disappointed with this performance. I was wanting to see how he was gona pull off one of Portnoy's best parts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on March 30, 2017, 04:18:59 AM
this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

What exactly are you saying about how Mangini played the toms and octobans? Look at these footages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyo0dQegGW8

He can do that with ease if he wants to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

Interesting point. I've certainly overlooked that much of the time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 02, 2017, 12:15:33 AM
this might be the case, for some reason i prefer to hear the hi-hats sounds in the section. and also mentioned in the comments section about the deccabons:

What exactly are you saying about how Mangini played the toms and octobans? Look at these footages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyo0dQegGW8

He can do that with ease if he wants to.

Holy crap!  Not only is Mike in top form, but the whole band is.  That might be my personal favorite version of Constant Motion.  I don't think they've played that in America since Portnoy was in the band, right? Man, they need to bring it back. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on April 02, 2017, 12:36:05 AM
I think that's maybe a criticism you can levy against DT overall. MM might be the first DT member who consciously tries to lock in with another instrument. I feel usually each instrument just does its own thing. KM even commented on that in an interview a few years ago.

Interesting point. I've certainly overlooked that much of the time.

MP has said numerous times that he has locked in with other instruments during a live show. I think he said it a couple of times during DVD commentaries.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2017, 12:39:00 AM
But not bass. I think he said he doesn't have the bass in his personal mix.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on April 02, 2017, 12:49:23 AM
I know he said JP for sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 02, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
Yeah, MP made several comments in interviews and commentaries that his in ear mix with DT was pretty much mostly JP, with a lot of his (MPs) vocals, and a little JR, JM, and James basically as guides.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
Interesting.  That somewhat seems counterintuitive at first blush, but makes sense when you think about it.  Drums typically accent what is going on with the lead instruments and vocals, so the drummer needs to be able to hear and follow what they are doing.  Bass typically locks in with and accents drums, not vice versa, so the drummer doesn't necessarily really need to hear what the bass is doing for the most part. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on April 05, 2017, 01:18:19 PM
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 01:25:03 PM
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
That is true.  But the bass generally follows the drums.  The drums do not usually follow the bass.  So the bassist definitely needs to have the drums high in her personal mix to follow them, but the drummer does not necessarily need to have the bass.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2017, 01:27:21 PM
Well, I'm sure MP could hear JM in his ears, it's just a matter of how loud. His comments always seemed to imply JP's guitar was louder than JM's bass.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 05, 2017, 01:44:49 PM
I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.

The drums do not need to follow the bass, necessarily. The drums are usually the 'boss' so to speak, in a band and thus they make the rhythm, not follow the rest of the band. In a live setting the bass guitar is also not a convenient instrument to listen to when trying to follow the song (low frequencies aren't easy to follow, especially in a live setting) which is why the guitars on the monitors might be preferred. Contrary to what you are writing, I know more drummers that prefer to hear guitars, than those who to have bass on the monitors, including the drummer in my band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 05, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
When I played drums, I always wanted to hear what my bass player was doing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
When I played drums, I always wanted to hear what my bass player was doing.

Kotow's songs were really technical and sometimes I even had to count in my head some parts as we were doing two time signatures at once...

Hearing the bass was crucial !

We had a rule of No 4/4 *unless* the riff sounded catchier in 4/4
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on April 05, 2017, 02:44:15 PM
You can always tell when a drummer and bass player don't feed off each other.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on April 05, 2017, 02:49:49 PM
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.

And Myung has been a lot more communicative since MP quit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 05, 2017, 03:26:27 PM
I guess it depends on the type of music you play.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
I guess if the AC/DC drummer listened to a lot of Cliff Williams - he'd fall asleep. :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: erwinrafael on April 05, 2017, 05:11:45 PM
I wonder if this supergroup is a manifestation of this sentiment that Mike aired in an interview last year:

http://noisefull.com/interviews/mike-portnoy

"Well, the only thing I miss (about being in Dream Theater), to be honest, is being the captain of a ship. Because after I left Dream Theater - all of the things I’ve done after Dream Theater that I just mentioned, in all of those cases - I’ve never been the clear leader. Everything I’ve done like Flying Colors, The Winery Dogs, they’re more collaborative roles and to be honest I do miss the amount of control that I had in Dream Theater. I was able to make 90% of the decisions and direction in Dream Theater on my own and didn’t really discuss everything and those guys kind of trusted me with that. So, I do kind of miss that.
 
One of the things about being in a band is that sometimes the collaborative process can be great, but it’s also incredibly frustrating at times. Having to go through a hundred emails on every single decision sometimes, you pull your hair out of your head and I miss the days that I had in Dream Theater, where I ran the show. But honestly it’s okay, because that was then and this is now."
 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Prog Snob on April 05, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
You can actually feel JM's enthusiasm for playing with MM.

And Myung has been a lot more communicative since MP quit.

Yes. He improved it to, "I'm feeling VERY spooky."

I can't say I can follow the above argument. I have *never* heard of a drummer who didn't care about hearing the bass. The two are after all the "rhythm section" of the band, the "pocket" as JM put it.
That is true.  But the bass generally follows the drums.  The drums do not usually follow the bass.  So the bassist definitely needs to have the drums high in her personal mix to follow them, but the drummer does not necessarily need to have the bass.

Generally, yes. But not many bassists, like Myung, will sometimes double the lead. I thought I read/heard that MP used to follow JP more than the bass and JM followed JR more. I could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure that was said at some point. Obviously it's not MP anymore but it's something to think about. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 08:14:21 AM
MY OPINOIN ONLY:   You can teach people to play bass (Fripp famously taught Boz Burrell to play because he needed a bass player as well as a singer; Sid Vicious), but I have an adage:

There are no "great" bands that don't have a "great" drummer.   A drummer can make a good band great, but a band can't make a good drummer great. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2017, 08:14:53 AM
Generally, yes. But not many bassists, like Myung, will sometimes double the lead. I thought I read/heard that MP used to follow JP more than the bass and JM followed JR more. I could be imagining it but I'm pretty sure that was said at some point. Obviously it's not MP anymore but it's something to think about. 

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.  Again, to me, it makes perfect sense.  Having your own personal mix how you want it onstage is such an individual thing.  The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me that a lot of drummers would want the bass pretty low in their own mix.  As a singer who drums a little, I think about my own, and how different they would be in each of those roles.  As a singer, I want primarily guitar and vocals.  If I can't hear what the primary instrument, the guitar is doing, I can't necessarily tell where we are in the song and can't tell if I am in key.  I also need to hear myself clearly so I know if I am in key and so that I don't unconsciously push too hard by thinking I am low in the mix, and thereby tiring my voice out.  Drums come next, but lower in the mix.  As a drummer, I want the lead instruments front and center.  I am laying down the beat, so they mostly follow me.  But I need to know when and how to accent in order to drive the songs, and I can't do that unless I can hear the leads.  Hearing the bass too high in the mix is not only unnecessary, but would be detrimental if it interferes with me more easily picking out the leads.  Again, others may feel differently, but that's my preference.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on April 06, 2017, 08:20:27 AM
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

"For me, it's time to come home and do what I've always done. I have been making Richie Kotzen records since I was 18; it's a source of survival, sanity, art, and everything you want to call it. I know the other guys have something very exciting in the works which people will love. It may fill a WINERY DOGS void."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
I certainly didn't get the same response while reading that article.  Sad the Winery Dogs are going on hiatus.  I mean, I assumed they would due to other projects but definitely didn't want a multiple year break.  Cool they have a blu ray coming out though  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 08:29:13 AM
Sounds like Billy Sheehan might be the bassist for Portnoy's new progressive metal supergroup, according to Richie Kotzen.  So that means we could have four band members identified: Portnoy, Sherinian, Bumblefoot and Sheehan.

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/

"For me, it's time to come home and do what I've always done. I have been making Richie Kotzen records since I was 18; it's a source of survival, sanity, art, and everything you want to call it. I know the other guys have something very exciting in the works which people will love. It may fill a WINERY DOGS void."

I didn't at ALL get that.   Portnoy has his things but Billy Sheehan is reportedly doing a new Mr. Big record.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on April 06, 2017, 08:34:32 AM
That's how I read it as well Stads. I'd be really surprised if Billy is in the new band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2017, 08:57:50 AM
That's how I read it as well Stads. I'd be really surprised if Billy is in the new band.

It actually sounded like Billy was upset WD are taking a break.  He says he believes in being a band, not a project.  That makes me think he is less likely to be apart of this new supergroup because I feel it's more likely to end up as a project than an ongoing band.  Just my feeling on this since it is being labelled a supergroup.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mebert78 on April 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.

Hey, not at all saying you're wrong, just that I read it a different way.  And you're 100% right with that last point: we'll find out, won't we!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on April 06, 2017, 10:06:48 AM
To me, Kotzen made it sound like Portnoy and Sheehan were working on a project together that "people will love."  Could be separate projects, but the way he worded it it sounded like the same project.  Guess we'll see eventually, lol.

Hey, not at all saying you're wrong, just that I read it a different way.  And you're 100% right with that last point: we'll find out, won't we!

You will......WHEN HE DECIDES IT'S THE RIGHT GOD DAMN TIME!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on April 21, 2017, 10:51:52 PM
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403)

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One final special announcement!
Please welcome Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian and their new super group to Cruise to the Edge 2018!
 More details coming soon!
cruisetotheedge.com
#CruiseToTheEdge #CTTE #Prog #Tampa #MikePortnoy #DerekSherinian #FiveDays #GetOnboard YES (official)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 21, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
I am not surprised :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 22, 2017, 05:14:24 AM
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403)

Quote
One final special announcement!
Please welcome Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian and their new super group to Cruise to the Edge 2018!
 More details coming soon!
cruisetotheedge.com
#CruiseToTheEdge #CTTE #Prog #Tampa #MikePortnoy #DerekSherinian #FiveDays #GetOnboard YES (official)

Of course they are. And the organisation hasn't heard a note of what they're playing, I presume. Wow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
The group has been booked for Cruise to the edge 2018

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1512683518755499&substory_index=0&id=490557914301403)

Quote
One final special announcement!
Please welcome Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian and their new super group to Cruise to the Edge 2018!
 More details coming soon!
cruisetotheedge.com
#CruiseToTheEdge #CTTE #Prog #Tampa #MikePortnoy #DerekSherinian #FiveDays #GetOnboard YES (official)

Of course they are. And the organisation hasn't heard a note of what they're playing, I presume. Wow.

So far on cruises MP has brought PSMS, the Yes encore with Jon Anderson, Neal Morse x 2, his two birthday bash sets, and the Chris Squire Tribute. I'm guessing they know they can trust him to pull something off.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2017, 01:20:11 PM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2017, 02:03:21 PM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Not really. On Progressive Nation he obviously was, but he was simply an artist on CTTE 15 and stepped in when Squire died to organize the tribute. On CTTE 17 in conjunction with his birthday bash they allowed him to contribute some names of bands he wanted to play and got them in a kinda merger with Progressive Nation, but he's not in any official place of power within the Cruise to the Edge structure as far as I know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on April 23, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
Portnoy has reached the point where anything with his name on it will draw an audience. Why wouldn't they want to book a MP/DS project?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2017, 04:27:34 PM
Yep, that Neal Morse Band show here in St. Louis back in January drew like 250 people!  That is called being a draw. :P

Nick, I was not aware of that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
Yep, that Neal Morse Band show here in St. Louis back in January drew like 250 people!  That is called being a draw. :P

No offense, but we aren't talking about a random show in a questionable prog market, but rather who has a name that can draw people coming in from all over the world for a special vacation. I know several people on facebook who booked the day Portnoy was announced based on his involvement. His projects and performances have been big draws on these events, and that translates to a worthwhile draw on a new project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 24, 2017, 01:58:25 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-he-is-not-too-busy-to-rejoin-dream-theater-on-images-words-beyond-tour/
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2017, 04:34:09 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-he-is-not-too-busy-to-rejoin-dream-theater-on-images-words-beyond-tour/

"Portnoy went on to say that he has "a very good relationship with John Petrucci and Jordan, and we stay in touch and we remain friends. The other two [singer James LaBrie and bassist John Myung] I've barely heard from. I've tried to reach out. But anyway, I have very fond memories of all those years and it's a huge part of my life."

If that's true, that's a pity. I'd love them all for being on speaking terms, not necessarily for a DT reunion, just for them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on April 24, 2017, 04:38:46 AM
I'm not at all surprised Myung and Labrie don't talk to him...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 24, 2017, 06:48:33 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on April 24, 2017, 07:05:18 AM
I'm not at all surprised Myung and Labrie don't talk to him...

I've always understood the lack of warm and fuzzys between JLB and MP, but I'm still surprised at how Myung reacted. I've always gotten the sense that he felt betrayed by MP leaving.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on April 24, 2017, 07:11:17 AM
I'm not at all surprised Myung and Labrie don't talk to him...

I've always understood the lack of warm and fuzzys between JLB and MP, but I'm still surprised at how Myung reacted. I've always gotten the sense that he felt betrayed by MP leaving.

Well, therein lies a basis for not talking anymore, right?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2017, 07:32:28 AM
For me, gut feeling of course, the one that felt most betrayed was Petrucci, the other leader of the band, who surely envisioned himself helming DT along with Portnoy until the very last day.

Myung felt more to me distant on a personal level, not liking Portnoy's control of the band and the tailored against him "Bring finished lyrics" rule.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2017, 07:46:10 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.
Not really, not when its members have proven themselves already.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.
Not really, not when its members have proven themselves already.

Yea agreed.  MP's Shattered Fortress was named the headliner at ProgPower before we knew anything about the players and the fact it was going to be MP and a performances of TSF.  The guys made a reputation for himself and has a fan base.  I don't think they need more than that to book him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on April 24, 2017, 08:42:00 AM
Yup. And that announcement has me considering doing the cruise again next year, between Haken, Thank You Scientist, and now this Portnoy project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2017, 08:45:09 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.

That makes no sense; you say it's "because of Mike Portnoy", but that implies that Mike doesn't have the credibility to merit that.   I think he most certainly does.   People are interested in what he's doing.   Would it be wrong to book Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds without hearing a note, or Keith Richards' Expensive Winos? 

And more existentially, who says people have to "be fair to the newer players on the scene"?   They book who they want to book.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on April 24, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.

I agree. MP has been very consistent with his musical output over the years, but he has made some "bad"/not good enough albums/bands. What If you were booking CTTE and heard there's a new Portnoy/Russell Allen project coming. You know MP is a great drummer and had been in DT for 25 years, and Russell is one of the best singers in the genere, the outcome should be great, shouldn't it? Well, here's two words for you: Adrenaline Mob.
Reality is that this just got booked because MP will draw crowds no matter what he does (good or not).

Same happened with Next to None, Mike's son's band. Not saying they're bad or that they don't deserve the recognition they get, I actually like a couple of their songs, but let's be honest here and admit that they only got this big so fast because one of themembers' last name is Portnoy and their debut album had MP producing, and guest spots by Neal Morse and Bumblefoot. Tell me of any other teenage metal band that can get signed to Inside Out and can get Neal Morse to appear for their first album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2017, 09:18:37 AM
Sometimes its not about what you know, but who you know.   Or who you relate to.  Whatever, that's life.  At the end of the day, MP's new band or his sons band will still need to be able to stand on their own and the music will determine that, not their relationships.  But MP's earned the respect and until people lose interest, there's no reason to suggest he and his future band haven't earned a spot at such an event.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2017, 09:19:16 AM
Yeah, I don't get that what you are saying, Elite.  If you mean the organizers of the event, I believe Portnoy is one of them, right?

Well, Mike Portnoy had probably earned his merits in the progressive metal world, but can't you at see that it's rather strange that a band of which nobody has heard a single note gets booked on a 'major' prog festival? It's only happening because it's Mike Portnoy and while I expect what he delivers to be good, it's unfair to newer players in the scene. Every other band would have to prove themselves.

I agree. MP has been very consistent with his musical output over the years, but he has made some "bad"/not good enough albums/bands. What If you were booking CTTE and heard there's a new Portnoy/Russell Allen project coming. You know MP is a great drummer and had been in DT for 25 years, and Russell is one of the best singers in the genere, the outcome should be great, shouldn't it? Well, here's two words for you: Adrenaline Mob.
Reality is that this just got booked because MP will draw crowds no matter what he does (good or not).

Same happened with Next to None, Mike's son's band. Not saying they're bad or that they don't deserve the recognition they get, I actually like a couple of their songs, but let's be honest here and admit that they only got this big so fast because one of themembers' last name is Portnoy and their debut album had MP producing, and guest spots by Neal Morse and Bumblefoot. Tell me of any other teenage metal band that can get signed to Inside Out and can get Neal Morse to appear for their first album.

But "good" is subjective; personally, I think all his output post DT is excellent EXCEPT for Adrenaline Mob, and it's not prog.  You wouldn't book him for AMob on a prog show.  You might a metal show, and in that context, who's to say it's "bad"?   The same fans that listen to Neal Morse solo stuff are possibly not listening to Mike in Twisted Sister, either.   

As for the latter, well, it's not as if "Portnoy" is the first one to have this happen to them.  Do you think Sean Lennon or Julian Lennon haven't gotten some benefit of the doubt?  This is not a new phenomenon. 

Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire?  Even if the known name results in 50 more tickets, it's still that much less you are at risk.   I'm more bugged not by Portnoy's name recognition, but by these packaged tours that have Great White, Warrant, Quiet Riot and Ratt, and there isn't one original singer on the bill.   it's the same phenomena, though; the promoter, with hard money on the line, has to put bodies in the venue, and if having a recognizable name does that, so be it.

(And to your point about newer bands, likely affords them MORE opportunity as openers than if there was no show at all.)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2017, 09:32:39 AM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2017, 03:05:59 PM

Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire?   

You book the one with um...growth potential.


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?

Don't worry about Boston, it's not a big college town.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on April 25, 2017, 09:00:33 AM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?

Don't worry about Boston, it's not a big college town.

Any Spinal Tap reference is a good Spinal Tap reference, if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2017, 08:40:24 AM
Lemme turn this around a little bit:  you're a promoter.  You've got $35,000 to book a band, and you have 4,000 tickets to sell.   You don't sell at least 3,000, you're underwater, and you can't pay the bands on the bill and the support crew.   You get two calls from band managers:  one is for "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" and the other is for "Johnny Penis and the Erections".   Which do you hire? 
I don't know.  Is the venue on or near a college campus?

Don't worry about Boston, it's not a big college town.

Any Spinal Tap reference is a good Spinal Tap reference, if you ask me.

 :rollin I was just watching this last night, great line
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 27, 2017, 02:55:45 AM
He should just call it Supergroup and be done with it. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on April 27, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
MPS, and start enumerating them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2017, 08:00:07 AM
'I will no longer play Dream Theater songs'. (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_i_will_no_longer_play_dream_theater_songs.html)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on June 09, 2017, 08:04:12 AM
I don't know if I believe that he won't play DT songs. Whether he does or not doesn't really matter to me. It's good he is busy with other stuff though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 09, 2017, 08:12:21 AM
Yeah we were taking about that quote in the Shattered Fortress show thread. Like I said there, my assumption is that he means he won't put together another project to specifically cover DT, but he will still play DT songs with other projects like FC or whatever.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 09, 2017, 08:35:23 AM
Yeah we were taking about that quote in the Shattered Fortress show thread. Like I said there, my assumption is that he means he won't put together another project to specifically cover DT, but he will still play DT songs with other projects like FC or whatever.

Yeah, there's no way MP is going to do a prog metal group and not play a few DT songs. I am with you -- he won't do a show solely comprised of DT material again is likely what he meant.

I fully expect this new prog metal group to play its entire new record (on headline shows) with a few covers, including select Dream Theater songs.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 09, 2017, 08:41:03 AM
^For sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 08:44:59 AM
I suspect that what others have said will happen is right.  But as far as what he "meant," I'm not sure he specifically meant anything.  That quote was taken from a larger interview, and he just made that comment off the cuff in the context of making a completely different point.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a spur of the moment thing that slipped out of his mouth without him thinking through what he was saying.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 09, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a spur of the moment thing that slipped out of his mouth without him thinking through what he was saying.

I always thought MP was someone who was not loose and fast with what they said, as he is someone who is well aware of how words can be taken out of context.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
And any slip of the tongue can be easily corrected lickety split with furious backpedalling and a smiley face.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
::)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2017, 03:08:24 PM
'I will no longer play Dream Theater songs'. (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_i_will_no_longer_play_dream_theater_songs.html)

Good for him.

 I don't expect (or even want at this point) to hear anything by Dream Theater from him again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
I don't think Portnoy needs to play DT anymore. Dude has built up an insane resume since leaving and really can just do that stuff and new stuff for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 10, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
The closest thing to DT I wanna hear him play is Derek's "Lines In The Sand" solo (that evolved into the intro to LitS.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 10, 2017, 06:41:36 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on June 10, 2017, 09:49:46 PM
Quick, someone check Derek's tech's twitter account for clues :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 10, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.

Now people are going to start looking for clues on who might be the singer, something will probably get leaked and Mike will go nuts on social media again...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on June 10, 2017, 11:22:32 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.

Now people are going to start looking for clues on who might be the singer, something will probably get leaked and Mike will go nuts on social media again...

IT'S THE CIRCLE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT MOVES US ALLLLLLLLL.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 11, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
I commented on his post with "Singer? This means it's confirmed to NOT be an instrumental band? Sweet!"

And Mike liked my comment.

So it IS confirmed. Because if not, he would have threatened to block me or something :lol


*Crossing fingers for Ted Leonard*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Bolsters on June 11, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 11, 2017, 09:53:21 AM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
:lol

:rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2017, 11:32:05 AM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...



For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 11, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...



For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded.

I kind of see this as a joint project between Mike and Derek.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 04:07:38 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...



For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded.

It's logistical. Petrucci and Rudess are the leaders of DT, but for the past few albums (not sure about TA) neither are there when the vocals are recorded. They do it the same way. LaBrie records and then sends it to them for notes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2017, 04:37:50 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...





For being the "band leader" that is a somewhat uninvolved way of having the vocals recorded.

It's logistical. Petrucci and Rudess are the leaders of DT, but for the past few albums (not sure about TA) neither are there when the vocals are recorded. They do it the same way. LaBrie records and then sends it to them for notes.

For TA they did, DT12 they didn't, and ADTOE they did for about half the songs. 

Mike has been clear that he is the leader of this project.  Giving notes from across the country is no substitute for being there. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 04:42:24 PM
Like I said man, sometimes it's logistics. Leader or not, it's possible they just can't be in the same place at the same time. Clearly Mike is pretty busy in NY at the moment, and whoever the singer is, maybe this is the only time he could record vocals but only in LA.

It happens. Being a leader doesn't make schedules automatically line up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: pogoowner on June 11, 2017, 05:25:21 PM
Like I said man, sometimes it's logistics. Leader or not, it's possible they just can't be in the same place at the same time. Clearly Mike is pretty busy in NY at the moment, and whoever the singer is, maybe this is the only time he could record vocals but only in LA.

It happens. Being a leader doesn't make schedules automatically line up.
Yeah. Pretty sure people consider Jim Matheos the leader of Fates Warning, but he's never in the same place as Ray Alder during recording. It's just how it goes with some bands.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 11, 2017, 08:26:27 PM
Some fans simply choose to find fault in everything Mike​ does...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on June 11, 2017, 08:29:13 PM
I hear Portnoy pours the milk before the cereal.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 11, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Take turns posting names, whoever gets blocked got it right. :lol
:lol

:rollin

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

*Crossing fingers for Ted Leonard*

Ted would be a great choice! However, I think SB is working on a new album for this year, and he's also in a couple other bands (Enchant and Thought Chamber), so I don't think that leaves him too much free time to join MP's crazy project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 09:33:12 PM
I'm thinking it's a guy who peaked in the 80's or 90's. Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2017, 09:34:31 PM
Kip Winger?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Kip Winger?

Woah. That was literally the guy I imagined.

Did I read about it somewhere and just forgot?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2017, 10:37:38 PM
Some fans simply choose to find fault in everything Mike​ does...

Oh here we go...

Remember when I posted a rant about how Mike likes Twin Peaks?!  I can't STAND that he *likes* TWIN PEAKS.  I despise him for it.  I suggest you find my thread "Can Mike just stop liking Twin Peaks?!?1?" and post your thoughts.  He's been posting a lot about that.  The nerve. 

I hope you don't think I'm being sarcastic.  I literally find fault in everything he does. 

I even found fault in your post.  Let me fix it for you. 
Some "fans" simply choose to find fault in everything Mike​ does...

So anyway, yeah it's logistics but if he wants us (or rather me) to take this project seriously then I would hope he would make it more of a priority which is what I thought he was doing by insisting he be the band leader.  I mean his tantrum about us guessing Bumblefoot was the guitarist was pretty bad and left a bad taste but if the music is good then the musics good.  Now it just sort of seems like this is just another little project to check off rather than to let the band happen the more organic way. 

Oh wait, I'm supposed to find fault in everything he does.

HOW DARE HE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRESSIVE METAL GROUP (that I was actually kind of excited for)?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 12, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
Dude, I know that the whole point of joining a forum is to discuss things, but I just don't have the time or energy to argue with you on this. Go for it...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 05:11:09 AM
I honestly don't see the problem in being a band leader versus having things done over the internet. This is the way the world works now. It would all be nice and cool to have band members being a surrogate family hanging out together jamming all the time, but it's simply not possibile with other commitments, families and maybe some side-job for people who don't live only off their music. If Dream Theater can record an album with the singer in literally another country on his own, Portnoy can have the singer record with the keyboard player as well.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2017, 07:24:31 AM
I think it's patently unfair to criticize Mike for "being the bandleader" and "not being there in person while the vocals are being recorded".  One, it's 2017.   I largely work out of my house, and have no problem being "present" with the things I do in my company.   Two, you have NO idea what was discussed previously with Derek and/or "The Singer", and what direction was given.   Three, you don't even KNOW The Singer, and have no idea what direction might be needed.   Four, it's not your fucking band.   Mike pretty much has shown us he knows how to run a band - at least to his liking and the liking of a few million fans - so I'm going to trust his judgment over someone posting their thoughts and ideas while wearing pajamas and sucking a juice box in their mom's basement.    (Of course I'm being funny with the last thing, but still...)

REALLY excited for this (and would love it if it was Kip Winger; that's the only wild card; the singer could chill this for me if it is too much on the "metal" side of "prog metal"). 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2017, 07:28:21 AM
I would love it to be Kip Winger too, if only to watch Tim's reaction to this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2017, 08:37:29 AM
My guesses:

John Arch

Jeff Scott Soto



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on June 12, 2017, 08:45:55 AM
Very excited for this one, more so than any other post DT band because it puts him back in his core element. Everything hinges on who
the vocalist is. I know I will love MP and DS on this as I always do. If it turns out to be a really kick ass singer it could be amazing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 12, 2017, 09:06:24 AM
Dude, I know that the whole point of joining a forum is to discuss things, but I just don't have the time or energy to argue with you on this. Go for it...
:lol

I think it's patently unfair to criticize Mike for "being the bandleader" and "not being there in person while the vocals are being recorded".


What a surprise.

Quote
One, it's 2017.   I largely work out of my house, and have no problem being "present" with the things I do in my company.   Two, you have NO idea what was discussed previously with Derek and/or "The Singer", and what direction was given.   Three, you don't even KNOW The Singer, and have no idea what direction might be needed.   Four, it's not your fucking band.   
:lol :lol :lol

Wow, that's your argument? 

Shut down the forums!  I just figured out it's not my band...or anyone else's band that posts here.  I guess there's no point in posting. 
I honestly don't see the problem in being a band leader versus having things done over the internet. This is the way the world works now. It would all be nice and cool to have band members being a surrogate family hanging out together jamming all the time, but it's simply not possibile with other commitments, families and maybe some side-job for people who don't live only off their music. If Dream Theater can record an album with the singer in literally another country on his own, Portnoy can have the singer record with the keyboard player as well.

MirrorMask, thank you for having a constructive argument.  It's nice to see one of those occasionally on this forum. 

I think there is a HUGE difference between having James record his vocals in Canada and what Mike is doing.  First of all, James did that as a strategy.  He felt he records his vocals better in a small setting with just him and Richard Chycki.  For ADTOE he basically said, "Hey we're starting over in several ways.  Let me do this how I want."  For DT12, he recorded them in New York since Richard Chycki was producing them.  TA was a different beast and James said that with all the different voices, emotions, etc., he wanted to record them with just him and Richard again. 

If this was the strategy with Mike, I would respect that.  As it stands, it really just seems like he couldn't fit it into his schedule like it wasn't a top priority.  It reminds me of when those tribute CD were coming out every few weeks.  You would have someone like Kip Winger on vocals, Brad Gillis on guitar, Rex Brown on bass, and Eric Singer on drums.  They would do a tribute to Ozzy or something yet they never met each other in person.  It was still cool and I still own way too many of those tribute CDs but they weren't organic and it really was just a gimmick.  Obviously Mike's project isn't that inorganic but by doing this he is approaching that level.  Maybe not all that close but still just a step closer than I am comfortable with. 
My guesses:

John Arch

Jeff Scott Soto





Man, if it was John Arch that would be a game changer. 



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
Well, since we know nothing yet about the singer, maybe this schedule is worked around him - maybe Mike would have wanted to sit all together, but the singer had other and previous commitments and this was done to accomodate him. We don't know how old is Mike's idea to put together this group, and if the other parties involved had even older, and previous, commitments.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 12, 2017, 09:25:33 AM
Well, since we know nothing yet about the singer, maybe this schedule is worked around him - maybe Mike would have wanted to sit all together, but the singer had other and previous commitments and this was done to accomodate him. We don't know how old is Mike's idea to put together this group, and if the other parties involved had even older, and previous, commitments.

Right, I'm not saying that Mike intentionally chose to do it this way but has too many other things going on to devote fully to the project he says he is the leader of.  If John Petrucci  had James record vocals in Canada because he was too busy opening a new BBQ restaurant, then I would have the same feelings toward Petrucci (although I would plan a trip to NY for the grand opening). 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2017, 10:34:18 AM
Isn't Arch still an East Coast guy? If so, I'd figure he'd record in NY, no?

I think him not being there is a non issue. My feeling is that after an album and some shows, we'll be lucky to get a second album anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 12, 2017, 11:13:10 AM
I think him not being there is a non issue. My feeling is that after an album and some shows, we'll be lucky to get a second album anyway.

Probably true. I agree that it's no biggie that he isn't there for the vocal recordings, but I do find it surprising. After he made a big deal about telling people he was a "bandleader" again, I thought he would insist on being present for stuff like this. I mean, the reason James didn't record in Canada before was MP (if I'm not mistaken) so while I don't think it matters at all, I'm still surprised.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 12, 2017, 11:14:18 AM
Very excited for this one, more so than any other post DT band because it puts him back in his core element. Everything hinges on who
the vocalist is. I know I will love MP and DS on this as I always do. If it turns out to be a really kick ass singer it could be amazing.

Sincerely I believe that, after MP left DT, he entered in a kind of mourning with progressive metal. I think that a band in that style is really the perfect outfit to let flow all his musical influences. Maybe, after he started to revist the DT material for his birthday's shows, he had realised that it was alredy enough time to had stayed away of it. I believe, if this band will be well suceeded commercially, of course, it will his primary band, in the same proportion it was with DT.
About the vocals, I think both Kip Winger or Jeff Scott Soto would be amazing! Maybe JSS is more avaible?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 12, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
While I have not asked him about this, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the role MP plays is similar to what he did in DT - more that of a creative director - and leaving such things as the business end, the sonic qualities and whatnot to Derek, much as JP handled those things in DT. It would make sense given how things worked in DT, how MP is not interested in the business side of things, how Derek was more responsible for the business end of the ProgNation 2014 at Sea (can't remember where I heard/saw that, but it's not just speculation on my part) and how MP has so much else going on in his life. So is it the end of the world that he's not there to do the recording with the singer? Not at all - at least Derek is with this person, and you can be sure that MP is receiving MP3s of the recordings to comment on and approve.

From my dealings with him in designing the tourbooks, T-shirts, CD artwork and a poster, he is *very* hands on and involved in even minute details, even tho everything was done via e-mail. I'm pretty sure if you asked Blob or BobS (who is heavily involved in post-production/editing of many MP-related videos), they'd tell you the same thing. Given that this is far more involved than what I did, you can be sure that this is nothing like musicians simply recording their performances and Fed-Ex'ing it to the next studio like all those tribute albums were, which it should be noted MP was never a fan of in the first place.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on June 12, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
While I like Arch I think he is a big risk as far as mass appeal. There are people like me who like him and many who don't so right away
you lose potential with him. He also sounds so unique that it would be hard NOT to compare everything to Fates or Arch-Matheos.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2017, 01:11:19 PM
It's not Arch. Just saw a pic of him and Alder from yesterday on the East Coast. So I highly doubt it's Arch.

But JSS...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 12, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
Arch would be a deal breaker for me. He might be a very good singer, but I can't stand his voice, that's why I could never get into the first 3 FW albums or the Arch/Matheos album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2017, 04:55:19 PM
I think we are all missing the obvious:

The singer will be Kevin Moore.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: pogoowner on June 12, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
I also kind of doubt John Arch would take on a new project based on the general vibe I get from him. I suppose if there wasn't much touring involved, since it's pretty well known that he's not one for being on the road all the time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on June 12, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
I think we are all missing the obvious:

The singer will be Kevin Moore.

Hey, don't diss that. I happen to like his vocals!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
How was that a diss?  ???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
Just checked Twitter for clues on who might be the singer. Well, two of the last people Jeff Scott Soto followed are Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot. Coincindence? Someone just ask MP about it, and his reaction will answer for us  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 13, 2017, 08:57:36 AM
Just checked Twitter for clues on who might be the singer. Well, two of the last people Jeff Scott Soto followed are Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot. Coincindence? Someone just ask MP about it, and his reaction will answer for us  :biggrin:

Outed by Twitter. It's incredible how today's interconnected world leaves basically no mystery at all!

Sometimes on FB I realize small bands I follow will take part at a concert or a festival, because I have a band member in the friends list and they confirm the partecipation to that event  ;D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: emtee on June 13, 2017, 09:05:03 AM
I would be VERY happy with JSS on vocals!!!

I hope it's true.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
Just checked Twitter for clues on who might be the singer. Well, two of the last people Jeff Scott Soto followed are Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot. Coincindence? Someone just ask MP about it, and his reaction will answer for us  :biggrin:

Outed by Twitter. It's incredible how today's interconnected world leaves basically no mystery at all!

Sometimes on FB I realize small bands I follow will take part at a concert or a festival, because I have a band member in the friends list and they confirm the partecipation to that event  ;D

If only Mike understood this the way you do...  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mindflux on June 13, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
Speaking of Derek Sherinian, at some point he blocked me on Twitter. I can't say I ever even interacted directly with him.
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Art on June 13, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
I would be VERY happy with JSS on vocals!!!

I hope it's true.

this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: nobloodyname on June 13, 2017, 10:09:42 AM
I'd never heard Jeff Scott Soto or John Arch sing before the last few posts so I checked out both. I have to say it was pure aural bliss when I turned off Arch's singing. Soto sounds better.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: EVILPROGBOY on June 13, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something.



Whatever you think of Portnoy he is the greatest rock/metal drummer ever IMO. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 10:24:28 AM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something.



Whatever you think of Portnoy he is the greatest rock/metal drummer ever IMO.

Stadler?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 10:34:34 AM
Mike wrote this on his message board:
"There's a reason I post WHAT I post WHEN I post it...
Don't you think if I wanted the guitar player announced, I would've done it???
I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but please respect my wishes to only disclose certain things when *I* want that info disclosed and announced

How on Earth can that be misunderstood or misinterpreted in any way...it would seem pretty obvious to me
"

So, doesn't look like the leaks are intentional.  Not the best way to handle that sort of thing.  Then again, if you're gonna hype this thing, why not just tell us who is in the band?  Or just keep it secret you're even working on something.



Whatever you think of Portnoy he is the greatest rock/metal drummer ever IMO.

Stadler?

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on June 13, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
Haha no. But good guess.  :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
Haha no. But good guess.  :)

Just kidding bud!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 13, 2017, 12:12:45 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!

I know this is waaay off topic, but are TWD still active? At first, Portnoy always mentioned it was going yo be his main thing, and now they seem to have disappeared. I'm not a fan of the band, so I haven't been following them too much, but I'm curious to know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 12:33:01 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!

I know this is waaay off topic, but are TWD still active? At first, Portnoy always mentioned it was going yo be his main thing, and now they seem to have disappeared. I'm not a fan of the band, so I haven't been following them too much, but I'm curious to know.

I think they are still active, just in between cycles right now. Billy is doing Mr. Big stuff, MP is doing a million things and Richie is probably doing solo stuff.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 13, 2017, 12:47:51 PM
Soto toured in support of The Winery Dogs, so the connection is there. You guys might be on to something!

I know this is waaay off topic, but are TWD still active? At first, Portnoy always mentioned it was going yo be his main thing, and now they seem to have disappeared. I'm not a fan of the band, so I haven't been following them too much, but I'm curious to know.

I think they are still active, just in between cycles right now. Billy is doing Mr. Big stuff, MP is doing a million things and Richie is probably doing solo stuff.

^Yeah, that's basically what MP said.  They aren't inactive.  Just not doing anything together at the present because each of the members is busy doing something else.  Can't be bothered to find the exact quote, but that's the gist of it as I recall.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 13, 2017, 01:00:15 PM
"We aren't inactive, we just aren't actively doing anything."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 13, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
This is the downside of keeping it a big secret for such a long time. The fans will start speculating, and it's very unlikely that the eventual reality will be as good as our fantasies.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.

I'd agree with this. I think Jeff has a great hard rock/metal voice, but none of his tunes have ever really grabbed me unless Marky Mark was lip syncing them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2017, 02:31:21 PM
I was thinking about this, and when MP teases an unknown band member, he has to know that he is just baiting the fans to investigate. The "fan experience" today is a lot different then when MP was a kid. He has to learn this.

What he should do is embrace it, and award a free Meet & Greet (or whatever) to the first guy on his forum to figure it out. I think that would be a lot cooler way of handling it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 02:32:38 PM
I was thinking about this, and when MP teases an unknown band member, he has to know that he is just baiting the fans to investigate. The "fan experience" today is a lot different then when MP was a kid. He has to learn this.

What he should do is embrace it, and award a free Meet & Greet (or whatever) to the first guy on his forum to figure it out. I think that would be a lot cooler way of handling it.

Reported.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2017, 05:05:27 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.

I'd agree with this. I think Jeff has a great hard rock/metal voice, but none of his tunes have ever really grabbed me unless Marky Mark was lip syncing them.

I agree, but, hopefully, he won't be one of the main composers of the music, probably just the vocal lines and the lyrics.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on June 13, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
I was thinking about this, and when MP teases an unknown band member, he has to know that he is just baiting the fans to investigate. The "fan experience" today is a lot different then when MP was a kid. He has to learn this.

What he should do is embrace it, and award a free Meet & Greet (or whatever) to the first guy on his forum to figure it out. I think that would be a lot cooler way of handling it.

Reported.

:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ronnibran on June 13, 2017, 06:13:10 PM
I just went on youtube to look up this Jeff guy....  "If" he is the singer (and I realize it's a big "if"), it just isn't screaming "prog metal supergroup" so far.  If Bumblefoot is in also, it just seems more like a washed up hard rock band musicians thing. 

Who's going to be writing the  prog epics???!!!  That to me is the important piece of the equation.

edit: not that he's a bad singer, I just am not getting a prog metal supergroup vibe.  I'm not assuming yet at this point we know whos in the band, I am purely commenting on the latest rumors.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
If it's JSS I'm seriously underwhelmed but still hope something good comes out of it.

I'd agree with this. I think Jeff has a great hard rock/metal voice, but none of his tunes have ever really grabbed me unless Marky Mark was lip syncing them.

ok, I didn't realize he was one of the voices behind Marky Mark.  But I actually got a bit excited because I have a guilty pleasure for the song We All Die Young from the terrible film Rock Star.  Then I realized he wasn't the dude in Steelheart but rather the voice of the worst most annoying song from that soundtrack called Stand Up and Shout (not the Dio version unfortunately). 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVBNK6mXQKc

So even though the dude unquestionably has a great voice, I have an extreme bias against him for this song alone.  It also doesn't help that my town's minor league hockey team plays this about 32 times every game.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

I believe so.  I mean, it shouldn't be discounted if it is Soto.  Afterall, LaBrie was in a glam band called Winter Rose before DT and Charlie Dominici was in Frankie & the Knockouts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

I believe so.  I mean, it shouldn't be discounted if it is Soto.  Afterall, LaBrie was in a glam band called Winter Rose before DT and Charlie Dominici was in Frankie & the Knockouts.

If he did, then cool. If not, it would suck if everyone built this up as a huge return to intense prog metal when it just ends up being fun glam rock or something.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 06:54:51 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

I believe so.  I mean, it shouldn't be discounted if it is Soto.  Afterall, LaBrie was in a glam band called Winter Rose before DT and Charlie Dominici was in Frankie & the Knockouts.

If he did, then cool. If not, it would suck if everyone built this up as a huge return to intense prog metal when it just ends up being fun glam rock or something.

Well, I don't think he has checked off glam rock from his master list so maybe John Arch turned him down and he went with plan B ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on June 13, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
For a 51 year old dude, I felt that Stand Up And Shout rendition was *very* respectable.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
For a 51 year old dude, I felt that Stand Up And Shout rendition was *very* respectable.

Not disputing his skill at all.  I just hate the song.  Don't particularly care for *how* he sings that song but I think that has more to do with the song just being terrible rather than how he chose to emote.  Definitely willing to give him a chance. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 13, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Did MP specifically say that this project was a return to prog metal?

It's in MP Facebook on 03/01/17:

Hmmmm....what have we here??
I'm in LA recording an album with something NEW...
Sorry, this is all you're gonna get outta me on this for a while...More will be revealed at a later date...stay tuned!
#ProgMetalSupergroup Coming soon... 😎
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2017, 08:49:30 PM
Poor guy backed himself into a corner.

Sadly DS is way more technically complex than MP is. So either they do prog light, generic prog, or not super prog and fans get pissed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 13, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
We don't need Sherlock Holmes to figure this out guys.

Quote
It's in MP Facebook on 03/01/17:

Hmmmm....what have we here??
I'm in LA recording an album with something NEW...
Sorry, this is all you're gonna get outta me on this for a while...More will be revealed at a later date...stay tuned!
#ProgMetalSupergroup Coming soon... 😎

(http://www.oocities.org/dream_theater_tod/dtkmpic.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 13, 2017, 11:02:02 PM
if John Arch happened to be the singer, the potential for this project goes up a lot for me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 14, 2017, 12:39:13 AM
Was soo exited when MP announced he was working on a new Prog Metal supergroup.
Now I think it was just trying to hype with what his fans wants to hear.
I would think that Prog Metal supergroup would be consisting of well known artists from within the Prog Metal scene....

If it is Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott Soto then to my eyes it would be only half of a prog metal supergroup.

Would much rather see Arch as the singer..  would give it more credibility in my eyes
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ErHaO on June 14, 2017, 07:37:25 AM
Was soo exited when MP announced he was working on a new Prog Metal supergroup.
Now I think it was just trying to hype with what his fans wants to hear.
I would think that Prog Metal supergroup would be consisting of well known artists from within the Prog Metal scene....

If it is Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott Soto then to my eyes it would be only half of a prog metal supergroup.

Would much rather see Arch as the singer..  would give it more credibility in my eyes

Depends on how you interpret the term. They are a supergroup that plays prog metal, so prog metal supergroup is an apt description in my view. For example, The Night Flight Orchestra is called a classic (prog)rock supergroup, but it's members are from relatively modern metal bands (notably Arch Enemy and Soilwork).

Anyways, if they are good musicians capable of playing the genre, I don't care what their genre was or how people label them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 14, 2017, 08:32:28 AM
I think this (rumored) lineup has the potential to make great prog metal music, it could be a good surprise for most of us. However, Portnoy's "hype the crap out of it" strategy doesn't always end up working well, so we'll have to wait and see. Also, we have absolutely no clues on who might be the bassist. I really hope it's not Billy Sheehan again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
Keep in mind this "rumored" lineup that includes JSS is based on a loose theory right now. Not saying people didn't hit the nail on the head, but I don't think we can say with any degree of certainty that a few twitter follows is a solid indication. I just think JSS is now more likely than random guess X.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 14, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
I'd like to clarify something. When I posted about JSS being my guess, that's all it was. Rumors start in wild ways, and that's part of what communities are like this are for -- speculation. But in case this rumor was "started" by me, honest to goodness, I was just trying to think of who lives in LA that makes sense.

If I'm one of a bunch of guys to suggest JSS, then cool, but if this is all stemming from my comment, I apologize. I was just doing normal message board speculation. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 14, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
Was soo exited when MP announced he was working on a new Prog Metal supergroup.
Now I think it was just trying to hype with what his fans wants to hear.
I would think that Prog Metal supergroup would be consisting of well known artists from within the Prog Metal scene....

If it is Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott Soto then to my eyes it would be only half of a prog metal supergroup.

Would much rather see Arch as the singer..  would give it more credibility in my eyes
Depends on how you interpret the term. They are a supergroup that plays prog metal, so prog metal supergroup is an apt description in my view.
Exactly what I was thinking when I read Swedish Goose's post.

But please, please, please, no John Arch. That guy's vocals are like nails on a chalkboard and then some! However, due to JA's lack of interest in touring, I don't see him being the vocalist. My only other fear is that whoever MP has chosen also will include cookie-monster vocals which I absolutely abhor. Could completely ruin what would otherwise be the most exciting thing he's done since leaving DT.
 
 
I really hope it's not Billy Sheehan again.
Given that Billy's completely in deep with Mr. Big right now, I highly doubt he's involved with this project. I haven't a clue as to who the bassist could be, but one that comes to mind that (I believe) isn't doing much right now is Jason Newsted. IIRC, MP's expressed interest in working with him in the past, so he's a possibility, even if he doesn't have a "prog" background.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
  I haven't a clue as to who the bassist could be, but one that comes to mind that (I believe) isn't doing much right now is Jason Newsted. IIRC, MP's expressed interest in working with him in the past, so he's a possibility, even if he doesn't have a "prog" background.

That'd be cool.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 15, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
MP just posted this blurb in a response to one of his posts on FB (taken from his latest Rhythm magazine cover story):
Quote
I have a new band I'll be announcing in the summer. It is premature to give away too much information about that now but I can say that it also involves Derek Sherinian who I worked with in Dream Theater. It is the two of us with an all-star line-up. It is myself and Derek getting back together and picking up where we left off. It's music that is probably closest to Dream Theater out of everything that I have done over the last six years. I have purposefully stayed away from the prog-metal genre because I wanted to spread my wings. But I would say that doing these Shattered Fortress shows has kind of reignited a little interest in revisiting that world from me. Derek and I have formed this new band that will satisfy myself and quench the fans' thirst for something in that vein.

Incidentally, it's interesting to note that the main post that this blurb was posted within was about how he had a busy week working on both this and the next Metal Allegiance album, and one of the people who posted a response was JSS. That could just be coincidence - at this point I wouldn't read too much into it. Oh and JSS' response was just simply "The man who never sleeps"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 15, 2017, 12:22:01 AM
2018: Mike Portnoy covers SFAM live, world tour  :corn
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Elite on June 15, 2017, 07:33:33 AM
2018: Mike Portnoy covers SFAM live, world tour  :corn

I highly doubt that.

Though he could always do that as a 'cash grab', but I don't think he needs do, nor does he want to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2017, 07:40:01 AM
If at all, it would be 2019, the 20th anniversary  ;D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kaos2900 on June 15, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
So are we all just assuming that Bumblefoot is the guitarist? I for one am hoping that isn't the case. I for one am hoping it's Eric Gillette.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 15, 2017, 10:15:42 AM
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!

I assume MP meant the last time they did something together, which was PSMS...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2017, 10:45:48 AM
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!

 :lol Yeah, pretty much that. If you watch the Score documentary, it's Mike himself who says something like "Derek is great, but he had to go in order for us to grow, he wasn't the best fit for DT." (I'm paraphrasing here, there were not his exact words).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 15, 2017, 11:01:44 AM
Derek and MP have played together in WDADR, formed PSMS and toured together...nothing wrong with reconciling with a former colleague.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 15, 2017, 03:36:40 PM
So are we all just assuming that Bumblefoot is the guitarist? I for one am hoping that isn't the case. I for one am hoping it's Eric Gillette.
Well, judging by the video screen capture that someone made before it was removed, the evidence speaks for itself until otherwise proven wrong. So I think it's safe to assume :biggrin: that most are assuming Bumblefoot is the guitarist.
 
 
I assume MP meant the last time they did something together, which was PSMS...
Being that PSMS never created any original material, I'm gonna guess that is not what he meant. He probably meant where they left off post-FII. Derek was well aware of the plans to convert Metropolis part II into a full-blown album, and so was in that mindset when he was let go.
 
 
I love how he puts it, "me and Derek picking up where we left off".

Yeah, when you kicked him out of the band!!
:lol Yeah, pretty much that. If you watch the Score documentary, it's Mike himself who says something like "Derek is great, but he had to go in order for us to grow, he wasn't the best fit for DT." (I'm paraphrasing here, there were not his exact words).
Ha! Well, MP has never shied away from say that Derek wasn't the best fit for DT - even after MP himself left DT, he has still said the same thing. But given the parameters that DT wanted to work within, that's their choice. I don't necessarily agree, as I really love what Derek brought to the table (aside from his overuse of the Hammond organ patch), but when you compare the 3 keyboardists of DT, there's more of a difference stylistically between him and the other two, than if you were to compare Kev and JR. Kev and JR were both influenced by other keyboardists; Derek, OTOH was probably as influenced by a variety of guitarists as he was keyboardists.

That said, I am really looking forward to see what they put together now that they can develop their own band/sound from the ground up without having to follow what came before.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Maybe not too much people here remember this, but IIRC, Derek was the othrer guy behind PN at sea 2014, so him and MP have already worked on quite a few things the last couple of years.
Also, even though I can't stand MP anymore (as a person), I think this is his most promising/interesting post-DT album/band, and including Derek makes it better, so I'm reaaly looking forward to this thing being fully announced properly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2017, 04:02:11 PM
I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that Mike Portnoy saying "Derek wasn't the best fit for DT at the time" is the same as saying "I, MP, wanted him gone and made it happen, whether the others wanted it or not".  Derek IS a second guitar player on stage, moreso than Kevin and Jordan, and perhaps John and Mike had a different vision.  Doesn't mean he's bad or not capable.   And now that he's forming a new band, maybe DEREK will be "John" and the focus will be a guitar player that can play with HIM and not the other way around. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Mosh on June 15, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
Derek wasn't a good fit for where DT was headed at the time. That doesn't mean he's a bad keyboardist or not worth MP's time. Picking up where they left off with FII makes sense because they did have some cool ideas on FII and since MP is also out of DT now it's an interesting concept to see what else the two have to offer as collaborators.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2017, 07:15:04 PM
I think it's fair to say that Derek came out of DT a changed musician. Good for him. He handled the whole DT thing with grace.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 15, 2017, 07:18:06 PM
I think it's fair to say that Derek came out of DT a changed musician. Good for him. He handled the whole DT thing with grace.

Indeed!!!! His solo stuff is way more complex than anything he did in ACOS and FII.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2017, 07:21:25 PM
I think it's fair to say that Derek came out of DT a changed musician. Good for him. He handled the whole DT thing with grace.

Indeed. He had to learn most of IAW and Awake in 2 weeks, before the Awake tour started. That's no easy task  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 16, 2017, 08:29:03 AM
I see that jSS is recording a SOTO record in Los Angeles right now. So I think the guess on him is likely incorrect.

In regard to Derek, that man has never gotten proper credit, and he was shafted by DT. To be honest, while I think Jordan is a superior technical player, I enjoy listening to Derek's work more. More soul in his playing, more Jon Lord influence.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 16, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
I see that jSS is recording a SOTO record in Los Angeles right now. So I think the guess on him is likely incorrect.

In regard to Derek, that man has never gotten proper credit, and he was shafted by DT. To be honest, while I think Jordan is a superior technical player, I enjoy listening to Derek's work more. More soul in his playing, more Jon Lord influence.

B3 Hammond on everything  ;D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/show_interview.php?id=1221
Maybe the bassist is Sheehan after all...

Lee: You guys really sound in the pocket on the new stuff. Did you record in the same room, or was this a file-trading process?

Sheehan: We were in the same room for six days and did all the basics. We spent more time of in the mix and some lead vocals.

The lion’s share, 90 percent, was done in six days in Ocean Studio in Burbank. I had just done another record a week prior and did Mr. Big there without even moving my gear. Paul and I were in a separate control booth, both Matt [Starr, pitching in on drums for the current tour] and Pat were in there doing drums.

Lee: What was that other project you mentioned, the unnamed one?

Billy: It was another project, which is yet unnamed [this writer suspects the project could be Mike Portnoy’s prog-metal band with Derek Sherinian]. So in the week prior, I got used to the neighborhood and all the nearby restaurants.

We had no time for that with Mr. Big. We had to hustle to get it done in six days. We were doing two or three songs a day. We needed one more some toward the end. We wanted to get at least 11 songs on the record and we managed to hit that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on June 28, 2017, 08:03:11 PM
That'a s shame if it's true. I can't stand Sheehan's playing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 28, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
I like the way Portnoy, Sheehan and Derek sounded on the PSMS live album, so I'd love it if it was him on bass after all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Metropolaris on June 28, 2017, 09:17:35 PM
Ocean Studios is the studio where MP, Derek, and Bumblefoot were at.
I wouldn't be surprised if Billy's the bassist, but I'd be very disappointed. As a bassist, I'm not a fan of Sheehan and the way he overplays everything.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Cool Chris on June 28, 2017, 09:29:19 PM
Ocean Studios is the studio where MP, Derek, and Bumblefoot were at.

ALLEGEDLY.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2017, 10:13:12 PM
That'a s shame if it's true. I can't stand Sheehan's playing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Billy's the bassist, but I'd be very disappointed. As a bassist, I'm not a fan of Sheehan and the way he overplays everything.

Agree with both posts I quoted. I'm also a bassist and, while I respect Billy for having such a unique style and for making a career of his own and not trying to copy anyone else, I just can't stand him as a bassist. He, indeed, overplays everything and his tone sucks (imo). My excitement for this project has decreased drastically after reading this  :sad:

I think he is the perfect fit for TWD, but why does Mike have to include him in whatever new project he comes up with?  :'(
I really hope this is not the case, but, judging by the pics on the web page of the studio he mentioned, it seems this is true.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 29, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
Not sure if I want Billy in there, but seriously, we talk about a PROG-metal group and you worry about overplaying?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: noxon on June 29, 2017, 02:19:48 AM
I've heard rumors independently (and much earlier than this thread) of JSS being in this. I've also heard a name for a bassist that isn't Sheehan - but also not that terribly known (not gonna say who because it would come back and bite me). But this is just rumors from someone i know who knows someone who knows someone. Portnoy himself was mum on the subject when i last spoke to him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 29, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
I've heard rumors independently (and much earlier than this thread) of JSS being in this. I've also heard a name for a bassist that isn't Sheehan - but also not that terribly known (not gonna say who because it would come back and bite me). But this is just rumors from someone i know who knows someone who knows someone. Portnoy himself was mum on the subject when i last spoke to him.

I hope this is true! I would prefer someone who's probably not that famous over Billy anytime. However, with MP calling it an "all star supergroup" the chances of it being Billy are higher, I think.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on June 29, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
After hearing the Haken dude do Shattered Fortress, I honestly wish he was the guy. But if it does end up being JSS, it'll be cool. As long as everyone is committed. I don't want to see this as a prog metal version of Metal Allegiance. I was hoping for this to be a committed BAND. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2017, 09:32:44 AM
I don't like the Haken singer's voice.  He does sound good on those live clips.  But in general, his voice grates on me.  But whoever it ends up being, I don't want to judge before I've actually heard the music, so I'll withhold forming any opinions.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Skeever on June 29, 2017, 09:48:58 AM
Ross has improved as time goes on, but I don't think it should be him because he's already committed to Haken. I'd prefer MP go with more of a songwriter/multi-instrumentalist type, like he wanted to when JLB was almost sacked during the Six Degrees tour. Somebody like Morse or Casey McPherson - but not those guys in particular, because I'd prefer something fresh.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: gzarruk on June 29, 2017, 09:54:23 AM
Haken are a well stablished band and Richard Henshall (Haken guitarist and main songwriter) said they plan to release an album next year, so I don think Ross will be involved.


Here's something a bit off-topic, but related since it's DT and Derek Sherinian: found an isolated keyboard version of Lines in the Sand  :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTtHJp62kwo
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2017, 08:29:53 PM
From MP Facebook:
I'm in serious multi-tasking mode right now: Jerry & I are recording/comping drums for the new Metal Allegiance album as well as my vocals & percussion for my upcoming album w Derek Sherinian...meanwhile Derek & our singer are in LA doing the singer's tracks and sending me the tracks for notes...

Kinda expected, but now is confirmed that this won't be an instrumental band.

Now people are going to start looking for clues on who might be the singer, something will probably get leaked and Mike will go nuts on social media again...

IT'S THE CIRCLE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT MOVES US ALLLLLLLLL.

Not being on social media that may explain why I'm stuck in a ditch....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2017, 08:40:59 PM
Very excited for this one, more so than any other post DT band because it puts him back in his core element. Everything hinges on who
the vocalist is. I know I will love MP and DS on this as I always do. If it turns out to be a really kick ass singer it could be amazing.

Never seen something like this as his core element. He may have started out that way and he may have an itch to scratch, but I think his work is so much more than that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 03, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
i'd actually like it if it was JSS on vocals and Billy on bass i reckon it would be a good mix. Just hoping its not Bumblefoot for guitar
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 03, 2017, 12:50:31 PM
If i had a Dream pic i'd had Devin Townsend as the vocalist and rhythm Guitarist but that'll never happen. I'd still love to have Eric Gillette as the guitarist and back up vocalist 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Sycsa on July 03, 2017, 01:07:02 PM
I love Billy Sheehan. What he did with Niacin is some of my favorite bass playing ever.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 03, 2017, 01:07:34 PM
Sorry not interested to look back to this discussion so who is JSS?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: axeman90210 on July 03, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
Sorry not interested to look back to this discussion so who is JSS?

Jeff Scott Soto
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 03, 2017, 01:16:12 PM
Sorry not interested to look back to this discussion so who is JSS?

Jeff Scott Soto

Thanks, have to look up this guy!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 03, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
I love Billy Sheehan. What he did with Niacin is some of my favorite bass playing ever.

Me too. I accept that some people don't like his tone, but really can't understand why. I pretty much love anything he did since Talas!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2017, 01:21:43 PM
I personally don't want Billy, only because I wan't something different. Dude already did two projects with MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: jakepriest on July 03, 2017, 06:22:52 PM
If i had a Dream pic i'd had Devin Townsend as the vocalist and rhythm Guitarist but that'll never happen. I'd still love to have Eric Gillette as the guitarist and back up vocalist

Dev's lead playing is much better than his rhythm playing imo, it's usually been pretty predictable chugging on the last few albums. The arpeggio melodies and tapping he does are incredible.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 03, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
I am still crossing my fingers for Ted Leonard
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: ReaperKK on July 03, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
I don't think I'd mind Billy playing. I'm not a huge fan of bumblefoot. He is a monster on guitar no doubt about it but his style and tone have never been my thing. Who knows what this will sound like though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Lowdz on July 04, 2017, 06:53:03 AM
I personally don't want Billy, only because I wan't something different. Dude already did two projects with MP.

He tends to confuse a mix for me, because he's all over the neck all the time. Awesome player but he's better in a stripped down setting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: kingshmegland on July 04, 2017, 06:54:52 AM
I personally don't want Billy, only because I wan't something different. Dude already did two projects with MP.

Completely agree with you Adami.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: rumborak on July 04, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
If Sheehan is on bass, that will indeed massively dampen my excitement for the project.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: FOXAN03 on July 04, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
I have a feeling MP wont go with Billy Sheenan anyway just to make this project different from the others. Like others have said MP and billy have already done enough projects together
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 05, 2017, 11:49:28 AM
I agree it probably won't be Billy Sheehan. And I am with those who would rather MP go elsewhere. I think Billy is amazing, and one of the best. But I'm ready for a different bass player.

Really hoping we get some solid details on this project soon.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 05, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Next month. Somebody here, who talked to MP recently, said on the shattered tour thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: the keyboard wizard on July 05, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: devieira73 on July 05, 2017, 12:45:50 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: goo-goo on July 05, 2017, 01:07:54 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!

They could still add a 2nd touring guitar player, like Fates Warning does with Mike Abdow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: Samsara on July 05, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
I was the one who posted the info. By the end of the month, we should get some information. He said too that he would tour with that supergroup in 2018!
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!

They could still add a 2nd touring guitar player, like Fates Warning does with Mike Abdow.

They could, but Fates' situation is a little different. Frank has a full time job, which is why Mike does the touring. And because Frank can't commit (I saw his most recent performance with the band in Dec. 2013 -- he lives in the Bay Area), FW just considers themselves a four-piece. But I don't think it's by design, just by necessity.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy Progressive Metal Supergroup
Post by: the keyboard wizard on July 06, 2017, 01:17:59 AM
If I'm not mistaken, he confirmed to you also that it will be only one guitar player, right? Personally I was wondering if this band wouldn't have a second one. Cool information anyway, thanks!
One singer, one guitar player and one bass player are yet to be announced. For the record, he didn't confirm to me, he confirmed it to a friend of mine who got the chance to get an aftershow pass (he is the former President of the French fan club and knows Mike well).