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Title: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 09, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
Round 5 results:

Flame To The Moth: 4 votes
Spitfall: 3 votes
Scarsick: 2 votes
Spitfall: 2 votes
Kingdom Of Loss: 2 votes

With two declared votes and two anonymous votes Flame To The Moth is eliminated. Weird result, it seemed destined to the finals with Enter Rain and at least sure to go to Consolations. It's not as suspicious as what happened to The Edge Of Forever in the Symphony X survivor, but it's weird.

Cribcaged again...

Main thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49212.msg2257650#msg2257650

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6- Flame To The Moth
7- Disco Queen
8- Idiocracy
9- America
10- Mrs Modern Mother Mary
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 09, 2017, 03:49:00 PM
the spit needs to stop freaking falling this is getting ridiculous

like this is legit one of the worst songs by a band I generally like
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Scorpion on March 09, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
What the fuck.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
Just watching now. I can no longer participate in this insanity.


ENTER RAIN HAS A VOTE WHILE THE FIRST THREE TRACKS ARE STILL THERE?!?!
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Serah Farron on March 09, 2017, 06:44:27 PM
OH come on.....come on.......

Spitfall again.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 09, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
K o fn l
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 08:07:23 PM
Enter Rain is now tied to be voted out.



I repeat, Enter Rain is at risk for leaving, while Scarsick, Spitfall and Cribcaged are still there.


................................
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 09, 2017, 08:32:11 PM
hey, don't blame me.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 09, 2017, 11:18:33 PM
Just watching now. I can no longer participate in this insanity.


ENTER RAIN HAS A VOTE WHILE THE FIRST THREE TRACKS ARE STILL THERE?!?!

Don't abandon Team Cribcaged :(
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 11:21:23 PM
I did the not voting option. If it ends with a tie between Cribcaged and Enter Rain, feel free to move my vote to Cribcaged. Or don't. This survivor hurts me.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 09, 2017, 11:23:20 PM
Cribcaged
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Elite on March 10, 2017, 01:04:22 AM
Fucking hell

But I'm seriously tempted to say the result was rigged if two anonymous votes are what pushed it over the edge.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2017, 05:02:45 AM
Kingdom of Loss
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 10, 2017, 07:33:04 AM
Ok what the fuck is up with this poll, Flame to the Moth/Disco Queen are out and Cribcaged is in
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Elite on March 10, 2017, 09:01:23 AM
But I'm seriously tempted to say the result was rigged if two anonymous votes are what pushed it over the edge.

Same thing is happening now with the anonymous Enter Rain votes.
It wouldn't be the first time a Survivor was screwed up by anonymous vote rigging.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 10, 2017, 09:03:01 AM
I'm not a huge fan of Enter Rain and I'd probably start voting it pretty soon if the worse songs weren't still in.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Elite on March 10, 2017, 09:07:10 AM
That's not the point of what I'm saying, it's that songs get votes without people confirming that they're voting. It's suspicious in the sense that it seems people are intentionally screwing up the results. It happened last round with Flame to the Moth and it's happening this round with Enter Rain. Whether you'd vote for it in a subsequent round makes no difference whatsoever.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2017, 09:40:31 AM
how pathetic would you have to be to create extra accounts just to rig the results of a survivor that nobody is going to care about in a few month, though
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 10, 2017, 09:50:23 AM
how pathetic would you have to be to create extra accounts just to rig the results of a survivor that nobody is going to care about in a few month, though
Yes, there's even the option of no voting if someone wants to see what's happening without having to wait for the end of the round..
I think too that some votes are fake. I can only count the vote of Adami in case of tie with Enter Rain, but nothing more I think..
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2017, 10:50:40 AM
The most baffling thing is that spitfail is still here

Where is evermind
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Elite on March 10, 2017, 12:36:33 PM
@LordCost; if you really believe some votes to be fake, you could run Round 5 again and have everyone post their songs of choice in the comments instead of voting. I'd understand if you don't want to do that, but I find it very curious to see two songs being voted out while not all the votes are accounted for in the thread (in this round three votes for Enter Rain that belong to seemingly no-one).
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Evermind on March 10, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
Spitfall

You guys can think I'm spinning some conspiracy theories here, but I'm pretty sure both these two rounds and the one in DTF Survivor where Raise the Knife was eliminated were rigged. I actually have some (sideways) proof which I'm not going to disclose on DTF just in case I'm wrong. Might do it on plug.dj though when I'm there. Some of you people may know what I'm talking about and check the facts for themselves.

I strongly recommend relaunching at least this round (and round 5), counting only the votes from the actual posts. But hey, it's all for fun so it doesn't matter much for me, really.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Elite on March 10, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
This round (and thus possibly the last as well) was rigged and I have the proof as well.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 10, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
Now you've made me curious, how can you have proof? Not saying that it doesn't smell fishy, even if I'm content with Flame going out. What kind of proof could there be? And if you have, present it to LordCost at least so he can make his decision to carry on or restart it based on something more than speculation.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2017, 03:52:30 PM
4 enter rain votes with zero of the regular posting participants voting for it smells like a rigged poll tbh

Especially with the last vote coming in conveniently right before the poll ended
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 10, 2017, 03:54:34 PM
Yeah, probably, but it sounded like evermind and elite had hard facts and I was wondering what they could be.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Evermind on March 10, 2017, 04:00:17 PM
No, I indeed have facts. Whether you guys think they're the sign of polls being rigged or not is another question, but I say again, I'm pretty confident they are.

I'm not at home right now, I'm at my friend's place and it's 2 A.M. now. We're having our D&D gaming day/night tomorrow, so I don't want to spend the time arguing at DTF during that. I suppose I can present my case to LordCost at Sunday evening if needed.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 10, 2017, 04:12:29 PM
I'm out this night, if someone has proofs that the survivor was rigged we can redo round 5 and 6. Send me a private message. And 17 votes for the last round are really too many compared to the previous round
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Evermind on March 10, 2017, 04:22:20 PM
I'm out until Sunday evening (may appear in the mornings to post new Ayreon threads if there's time). I PMed Rich (Elite), I suppose he'll give you a convincing case if he wants to.

Good night!
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
I'm really curious now lol
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Train of Naught on March 10, 2017, 04:59:37 PM
I think it's hilarious that this incidence just so happened to be on an album called Scarsick, oh well guess thats just me

Seriously though I dont get why they are still not banned
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2017, 05:13:03 PM
was it them again really lol

I mean I figured but I haven't seen them posting in this survivor much??
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Serah Farron on March 10, 2017, 06:31:05 PM
I also think it is rigged as well.

My top 2 or almost everyone's top 2 shouldn't be going out this early. And as others have said, I can't see anyone that posted "Enter Rain" as their vote.

I agree with trying out the only post your votes for a while if that would help.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Elite on March 10, 2017, 06:38:12 PM
I also think it is rigged as well.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yHaluFI95dA/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2017, 06:42:51 PM
How the fuck could these be rigged?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 10, 2017, 11:24:54 PM
was it them again really lol

I mean I figured but I haven't seen them posting in this survivor much??

who's "them"

someone lemme in on the conspiracy pls
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 11, 2017, 07:31:46 AM
But even in Round 4 we don't know who was the third voter for Disco Queen (Serah Farron was one and the other one could be Eldomm who commented on Round 2). Round 5 should have ended with Spitfall out because I remember that the two votes for Flame arrived in the last hours out of nowhere. So I would like to restart from round 4 instead or only redo round 6 with Spitfall eliminated and Flame in the game.

I can also put out a poll in order to decide what to do and vote. I haven't received the messages yet and I'm out all day. We can restart on Sunday :tup


Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Bolsters on March 11, 2017, 07:48:54 AM
Seriously though I dont get why they are still not banned
bosk didn't even believe it that one time they were caught red handed near the beginning, and we were simply told not to talk about it and that it was "being looked into". I doubt there's any convincing him of what has happened since then, considering there's even less evidence of the ongoing shenanigans.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Crow on March 11, 2017, 09:54:13 AM
tbh we probably just need to restart the entire album
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 12, 2017, 06:25:18 AM
tbh we probably just need to restart the entire album

On round 1 there are three real votes to MMMM, and even without the fourth vote it would be out. On Round 2 America was eliminated with four votes and only two votes were declared. We didn't think about rigged results because it's not the favourite song of someone here, but we can't be sure about its elimination. On Round 3 the 3 votes for Idiocracy were regular and there should not have been any tiebreaker.
I want to redo rounds at least from round 4 or before.

So we will restart the album survivor and I will count only the votes written. I will make the polls anyway because it's better to have a visualization of the votes.

Let me know if you prefer to restart, writing here;

-the whole album
-from round 2.
-from round 4.

I can make the Road Salt One survivor at the same time of Scarsick to speed up the survivor, tell me also if you want me to do that.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 12, 2017, 07:57:38 AM
I think that restarting the whole album would be for the best at this point.


It's funny, when I started doing survivors here in 2005, there was no poll option, so everyone replied with their pick and I had to reply when the deadline hit and tally up the votes. Quite the job when 30+ were participating in the DT survivor.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 12, 2017, 08:24:30 AM
If we restart then I'd say the whole album, because we don't know what has been rigged or not.

On the other hand I think that regardless of which song is winning the Scarsick survivor, it will not play a big role in the fibnle.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Evermind on March 12, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
I'd say restart the whole album, too. LordCost, I know that Rich sent you a PM, and I trust that he did a good job with it, so I won't do another PM.
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: LordCost on March 13, 2017, 09:02:22 AM
Ok, in 6 hours I will post Round 1 again and we'll restart the album
Title: Re: Pain Of Salvation Survivor 2017 - Scarsick - Round 6
Post by: Sebastian on March 13, 2017, 01:09:57 PM
I voted for Enter Rain, so at least one of the votes is legitimate. ;) Have been participating in a lot of the rounds but don't usually post anything.

That said, I agree the results for Scarsick are weird and it's probably a good idea to restart.