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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Kotowboy on February 26, 2017, 09:50:44 AM
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1. Terminator 2, without a doubt.
2. True Lies
3. Terminator
He also made other movies.
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Personally I think the answer is quite obvious - Terminator 2. Aliens would be a close second but I think overall, Terminator 2 to me - defined the Terminator franchise whereas Aliens (as good as it was) didn't reach the same level of significance for the Alien franchise IMO. True Lies and the first Terminator were also great, can't say I care for the rest.
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I remember seeing Titanic at the cinema back in the day and honestly I wept like a child when Jack drowned. I think it's a beautiful movie and the production behind it was amazing at the time. Both Terminator 2 and Aliens are classics and I have a hard time put one over the other. Seting my personal opinion aside, I think Terminator 2 is the right answer. The Abyss is also a cool movie, come to think of it as i'm been playing Subnautica alot lately I might revisit that movie since I haven't seen it in ages.
1. Terminator 2
2. Aliens
3. The Abyss
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1. Terminator 2
2. True Lies
3. Aliens
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T2. By a whopping landslide.
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Ok here's one...
Which is the best terminator sequel ?
I mean they're all pretty bad - but Genisys was ok up til a point. Arnie was great in it. Rise of the Machines was decent apart from the opening cheese fest but Salvation was mostly dull
so i'll say that one.
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You mean best terminator sequel after 2? Cause I can't imagine the conversation going too far otherwise.
I dunno, they were all pretty meh. Genysis was awful, despite Arnold being cool. The one with Claire Danes was meh, and Salvation was.....I dunno, I guess it was okay?
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Yes - best sequel after 2.
Only internet trolls could possibly think anything other than Judgement Day was the best of the 4 sequels.
" lol T2 was the most overrated one. then 2nd worse it was rise of the machines coz it had a chick terminator ffs. salvation is the best 1 coz it has batman in nuff said "
I can imagine this.
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1. Terminator 2: Judgement Day
2. True Lies
3. Aliens
4. Avatar
5. Titanic
6. The Terminator
7. The Abyss
...can we forget he made Piranha 2 and Ghosts of the Abyss?
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Ghosts of the Abyss isn't really a feature film though. It's more of a doc about diving isn't it ?
It's funny that he made Titanic kind of on-the-side when what he really wanted to do was explore the wreckage.
I'm probably wrong but the studio said "we'll pay for your expeditions but you have to make us a movie..."
That movie was Titanic.
As I said i may be remembering completely wrong.
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True Lies and The Abyss.
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1. Terminator 2
2. True Lies
3. Aliens
Yup.
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For me:
1 Terminator 2 tied with Terminator
2. Aliens
3. True lies
4. Titanic
5. The abyss
6. Avatar
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As far as the Terminator discussion, I think Genysis and Salvation are tied for being generally boring and predictable sprinkled with moments of cool. Genysis probably edges it out for at the very least trying to hearken back to the golden days. Salvation was just painful at times, especially since I usually like Bale and he was outright boring as well.
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1. ALIENS
2. THE ABYSS
3. T2
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Ok here's one...
Which is the best terminator sequel ?
I mean they're all pretty bad - but Genisys was ok up til a point. Arnie was great in it. Rise of the Machines was decent apart from the opening cheese fest but Salvation was mostly dull
so i'll say that one.
1 and 2 I bow down and worship. 3, 4 and 5 are abominations as far as I am concerned.
3 poorly rips of 2's plot and while shitting on the entire philosophy of the whole series and that I live my life by, "there's no fate but what we make for ourselves". The soundtrack is non-present. Like what the hell, the whole car chase is dead silent, and you don't even hear the terminator theme until the end credits. The soundtrack of 1 and 2 were monumentally important to the films and brought power and emotion to the scenes. Sarah conner dies off screen and is lame. The t-800 is turned into a buffoon with the "talk to the hand" stuff and him wearing the corny sunglasses at the beginning. 3 is the one I really do not like.
Salvation shoots the whole damn thing during the day for some reason with no plasma riffles. Felt absolutely nothing like what was set up by cameron. anton yelchin was a great actor, but terribly miscast as Kyle. Reese is a broken, traumatized and fierce badass. I got no sense of that what so ever in salvation. The tone of the future in that film was so wildly off. Salvation was a swing and a miss.
Genesys is I guess least offensive. It wants so bad to pay respect to the originals but is another huge swing and a miss. And again the reese character is played very different that what cameron created. The beginning future scenes are very cool and recapture the feel of how they were presented in 1 and 2. I wish they would have just kept the whole thing in the future, because once they went back in time, it went WAY off the rails and just turned into fan fiction honestly.And what on earth they were thinking, spoiling things in the trailer? geez
3 I strongly dislike. 4 and 5 I just kind of ignore. And 1 and 2 I will love and enjoy until the day I die.
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If I was Jim Cameron - i'd always allow more sequels..
- He gets a royalty for writing the first two and using his names and characters etc.
- The more rubbish sequels that are made - the more people will say his were the best and can't be topped.
it's win/win for him really.
When he gets the right back next year - I hope he either does nothing with it - or continues to let shitty sequels be made for the reasons I listed above.
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If I was Jim Cameron - i'd always allow more sequels..
- He gets a royalty for writing the first two and using his names and characters etc.
- The more rubbish sequels that are made - the more people will say his were the best and can't be topped.
it's win/win for him really.
When he gets the right back next year - I hope he either does nothing with it - or continues to let shitty sequels be made for the reasons I listed above.
Unless he goes on record as saying one of the awful sequels is great and captures the spirit of the originals and loses a lot of credibility.
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Hey the first few scenes of Genisys are great. Did he say it's great all the way through ? :biggrin:
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1. ALIENS
2. T2
3. Terminator
4. The Abyss
5. True Lies
6. Titanic
Aliens and T2 are easily his best. Terminator gets as high as it does because of nostalgia and its classic status. The Abyss MIGHT be the better film, I'm not sure as I haven't watched it near as much. The Abyss is great until the kinda dumb ending. True Lies is fun but feels like Cameron is just making his own big, dumb action movie. Titanic is good, I actually kind of like it, just not enough to watch it again. Once was enough. Haven't seen the others.
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I actually don't know what to choose. It would be one of Avatar, Aliens, or T2. Can't really say which I enjoy the most. Haven't seen The Abyss though and am unlikely to (the the "what are your fears" thread for why).
As for best Terminator sequel beyond 2, I actually like Salvation. I don't know why, I just always have. So that's my pick.
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Aliens.
Terminator.
True Lies.
Terminator 2.
Titanic.
The Abyss
Avatar.
As for the Terminator sequels. I actually like T3 so that wins by a country mile, cool ending too. Salvation is boring and Genisys just shits all over it's legacy. Jai and Emila as Reese and Sarah Connor is insulting.
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1. True Lies
2. Titanic
The rest I don't care about.
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1) Avatar
2) Titanic
3) *never saw any of the others*
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Terminator
Avatar
T2
Aliens
True Lies
Titanic
Abyss
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1) Avatar
2) Titanic
3) *never saw any of the others*
Do yourself a favor, man. Terminator is a solid flick, and Terminator 2 is widely considered to be the greatest action movies of all time and one of the greatest sequels of all time.
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1) Avatar
2) Titanic
3) *never saw any of the others*
Goddammit
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I legitimately don't know how any guy can live almost 30 years and not have seen Terminator 2. It completely boggles my mind. How is this even possible? I wouldn't even admit to such a high level of movie ignorance. Even if you lived under a rock, there's a good chance a T800 endoskeleton would have crushed the rock with its foot and shot you in the face with a laser in that time.
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What Blob said.
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Also, I might add that True Lies is one of the more fun action films I've ever seen.
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I legitimately don't know how any guy can live almost 30 years and not have seen Terminator 2. It completely boggles my mind. How is this even possible? I wouldn't even admit to such a high level of movie ignorance. Even if you lived under a rock, there's a good chance a T800 endoskeleton would have crushed the rock with its foot and shot you in the face with a laser in that time.
Because I never saw the first one. Maybe I'll order them and we can have a online movie night where I'll reflect in real time with all of you.
Should I get this?
https://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Anthology-Judgment-Machines-Salvation/dp/B00B5AETMO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1488224511&sr=8-4&keywords=terminator+movie
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I legitimately don't know how any guy can live almost 30 years and not have seen Terminator 2. It completely boggles my mind. How is this even possible? I wouldn't even admit to such a high level of movie ignorance. Even if you lived under a rock, there's a good chance a T800 endoskeleton would have crushed the rock with its foot and shot you in the face with a laser in that time.
Because I never saw the first one. Maybe I'll order them and we can have a online movie night where I'll reflect in real time with all of you.
This
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I went with True Lies just which I still consider to be one of the finest and funniest action films of all time. Aliens is a close second.
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I legitimately don't know how any guy can live almost 30 years and not have seen Terminator 2. It completely boggles my mind. How is this even possible? I wouldn't even admit to such a high level of movie ignorance. Even if you lived under a rock, there's a good chance a T800 endoskeleton would have crushed the rock with its foot and shot you in the face with a laser in that time.
Because I never saw the first one. Maybe I'll order them and we can have a online movie night where I'll reflect in real time with all of you.
Should I get this?
https://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Anthology-Judgment-Machines-Salvation/dp/B00B5AETMO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1488224511&sr=8-4&keywords=terminator+movie
Yeah, that is fine to get. The key thing is that you are able to see 1 and 2. I think you will enjoy 2 quite a bit. I saw T2 first, and everything still turned out fine. I actually didn't see part 1 until a few years later. Its not like seeing empire before a new hope or anything. Some people find part 1 to be dated, so you might not like it all that much. I worship it though
When you do watch part one, please just look it from the perspective of it coming out in 1984. For its time, it was pretty incredible.
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Part 1 just has some really bad visuals with Arnold at times, but it's solid beyond that.
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I was never a huge fan of the first Terminator, but I like the concept. The second one is great though.
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As much as I loved the first Avatar :chino: - I'm just not that excited about four more.
I'll obviously go and see #2 and if I like that one then i'll go back but I don't see how they can sustain interest over 4 more movies unless it's like an Expanded Universe type deal.
Jake & Neytiri for 4 more movies fighting humans will get old real fast.
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Should I get this?
https://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Anthology-Judgment-Machines-Salvation/dp/B00B5AETMO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1488224511&sr=8-4&keywords=terminator+movie
No. That gives you two films too many.
Just 1 & 2.
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Here Chino, a small taste of T2. This is the opening sequence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf8kbIaC58
I was pretty young when I saw it and it was one of the defining films of my life. Loved it ever since.
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Guys, this Pandora - World of Avatar area at Disney's Animal Kingdom looks incredible
https://youtu.be/xVqlvkdclVw
THAT ANIMATRONIC THOUGH!
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I was never a huge fan of the first Terminator, but I like the concept. The second one is great though.
Despite the similar premise, I consider them quite different films. And T1 obviously doesn't have the budget of T2, although I think they did a great job with what they had.
I actually saw T2 many times before ever seeing the first one.
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I like T2. But making the T800 the good guy was kind off playing to Arnie's blockbuster status. Also there was some pretty awful comedy moments in that film. The first film is just plain nasty and gritty, the shooting up of the police station is the best sequence of the franchise.
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Why I love T1 so much is that what it brings to the table is a whole different tone than T2. Judgement day is kind of action/sci fi, where as T1 has a horror aspect to it. Its very dark and brutal.
I also like that its just a regular human vs. a terminator. None of the other films have that dynamic. T1 also has Michael Biehn who I love watching on screen.
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I actually liked T3 and really liked Terminator Salvation. Never saw the newest one.
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I think Genisys was better than Salvation at least.
It at least tried to get the tone of the first two. Salvation was a mess.
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As much as I loved the first Avatar :chino: - I'm just not that excited about four more.
I'll obviously go and see #2 and if I like that one then i'll go back but I don't see how they can sustain interest over 4 more movies unless it's like an Expanded Universe type deal.
Jake & Neytiri for 4 more movies fighting humans will get old real fast.
That's an incorrect assumption. The underlying conflict with the humans will not go away, but just like the relationship between Harry Potter and Voldemort, it won't be the only thing the movie will focus on. Also, we're getting introduced to the family Jake and Neytiri create, pretty early on from what I've read. The rest of the story will be about their family, not just Jake and Neytiri's relationship and their conflict with humans.
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I was up for two more films not 4.
It might be ok if 2 - 4 are like a new trilogy and 4 is a prequel to the first one. . .
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I was up for two more films not 4.
It might be ok if 2 - 4 are like a new trilogy and 4 is a prequel to the first one. . .
The 2009 is going to be the prologue and the next 4 will be the 'actual story'. I hope we get some flashbacks to some early events though. I'd love to see the floating mountains mining accident.
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T2 is probably my favorite, but I'm throwing a vote to The Abyss for not deserving to be so far behind.
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I want to go with True Lies, as others have said it's a perfect blend of action and comedy along with some spectacular special effects, but it's 30 minutes too long and the middle plot with JLC doesn't really work. I watched it Sunday in tribute to Bill Paxton, and it's great but not perfect.
And props to The Abyss, where the lives of his cast were less important to him than his film. It just never really clicked for me, though. In fact, The Making of the Abyss is better than the movie itself.
I therefore have to go with T2. It's such a damn fine bit of film-making. Arnie as the surrogate father to the kid gets way too cheesy, but damn, everything else is spectacular.
None of the T squeals did anything for me (although the pretty blond Terminator certainly did).
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I want to go with True Lies, as others have said it's a perfect blend of action and comedy along with some spectacular special effects, but it's 30 minutes too long and the middle plot with JLC doesn't really work. I watched it Sunday in tribute to Bill Paxton, and it's great but not perfect.
And props to The Abyss, where the lives of his cast were less important to him than his film. It just never really clicked for me, though. In fact, The Making of the Abyss is better than the movie itself.
I therefore have to go with T2. It's such a damn fine bit of film-making. Arnie as the surrogate father to the kid gets way too cheesy, but damn, everything else is spectacular.
None of the T squeals did anything for me (although the pretty blond Terminator certainly did).
What is your view on Aliens?
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I haven't seen all of these, but of the ones I have, True Lies is the best. Perfect blend of drama, action and comedy, and I think the pacing is immaculate.
T2 is good, but I don't get the "OMG, it's so amazing" opinions. It's a good, fun flick. No more, no less, IMO.
Titanic is pretty outstanding despite the two leads saying each others' names 384 times. :lol :lol
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Cameron is simply amazing...
The following have ALL at one time been my Fav. Movie
T2
True Lies
The Abyss
Titanic
Aliens
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Is The Abyss that good? I've never seen it.
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I like Abyss & Titanic especially since I love seeing enormous amounts of water where it's not supposed to be.
i.e. flowing through a ship.
I liked The Day After Tomorrow for that scene where New York gets flooded and a massive ship just floats down the street :eek
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Is The Abyss that good? I've never seen it.
It's great. Michael Biehn plays a complete nut job who gets an awesome send off ;D
See it !
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I will!
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Plus I love underwater movies as I explained above.
They're researching on a cliff underwater above some sort of chasm like the Marianas Trench. It's really tense and has some awesome moments.
Here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abyss
Read the synopsis if you like.
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Try and find the extended edition of the Abyss if you can.
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It blew my mind when I realized the colonel from Avatar was also freddie lounds from manhunter
(https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/6a00d8341c630a53ef0128766dc34a970c-600wi.jpg)
(https://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16700000/The-Tattler-shot-Will-and-Freddy-Lounds-manhunter-16782864-500-387.jpg)
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I want to go with True Lies, as others have said it's a perfect blend of action and comedy along with some spectacular special effects, but it's 30 minutes too long and the middle plot with JLC doesn't really work. I watched it Sunday in tribute to Bill Paxton, and it's great but not perfect.
And props to The Abyss, where the lives of his cast were less important to him than his film. It just never really clicked for me, though. In fact, The Making of the Abyss is better than the movie itself.
I therefore have to go with T2. It's such a damn fine bit of film-making. Arnie as the surrogate father to the kid gets way too cheesy, but damn, everything else is spectacular.
None of the T squeals did anything for me (although the pretty blond Terminator certainly did).
What is your view on Aliens?
I found Alien completely insufferable so I never bothered with any of the sequels.
Try and find the extended edition of the Abyss if you can.
It's the only way it's any good. The theatrical release didn't really work. I honestly never thought it was all that great of a film, but the effort that went into making it is simply astonishing.
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I just noticed that Terminator 2 is being re-released later this year in 3D. Perfect chance for Chino to finally see James Cameron's best movie on the big screen. :tup
If they're also showing it in 2D, I'm going. Hell, I might even endure it in 3D just to see it at a cinema for the first time.
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I'll be all over that if they screen it in 2D.
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I just noticed that Terminator 2 is being re-released later this year in 3D. Perfect chance for Chino to finally see James Cameron's best movie on the big screen. :tup
If James Cameron is managing the post-production conversion to 3D, it'll probably be awesome. I'm usually very against post-production conversion, but Cameron did a fantastic job converting Titanic to 3D. I'm sure he'd apply the same standards to T2.
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I just noticed that Terminator 2 is being re-released later this year in 3D. Perfect chance for Chino to finally see James Cameron's best movie on the big screen. :tup
If James Cameron is managing the post-production conversion to 3D, it'll probably be awesome. I'm usually very against post-production conversion, but Cameron did a fantastic job converting Titanic to 3D. I'm sure he'd apply the same standards to T2.
From a bit of searching, it seems like it should be at least as good a conversion as Titanic.
https://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-2-3d-release-date/
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I like Abyss & Titanic especially since I love seeing enormous amounts of water where it's not supposed to be.
Fun Fact;
When Robert Ballard found the Titanic, one of the first big mysteries to emerge was that the Grand Staircase was missing. Even though it was made of wood, rotting away didn't make sense since there was still plenty of wood on the ship that looked untouched (pianos and such). We had no clue what happened to this gigantic work of art.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/11356916_476650059157575_1716629805_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=OTk4NDUxNTk3ODAzNTkwMTg3.2)
James Cameron built the Titanic set as close to spec as possible. When they shot the scene where the staircase flooded, all hell broke loose. The rushing water and pressure difference, combined with the buoyancy of the staircase, caused the structure to break away from the room and float upwards. No one expected this, not the actors, the film crew, Cameron, or Titanic experts. There was a legitimate moment of panic all over the set. Based on what happened on Cameron's Titanic set, expert now believe the staircase ended up getting lifted out of the glass dome above as it sunk.
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It would have been sweet if they released T2 3d on August 29th instead of august 25th ;)
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It would have been sweet if they released T2 3d on August 29th instead of august 25th ;)
Movies are released on a particular day of the week though, so at least this way you could watch it on August 29th. That's definitely why they chose that date though. Closest they could get.
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It would have been sweet if they released T2 3d on August 29th instead of august 25th ;)
Movies are released on a particular day of the week though, so at least this way you could watch it on August 29th. That's definitely why they chose that date though. Closest they could get.
He's James Cameron. He could have the move released wheneverthefuck he wants. Seems like a missed, golden opportunity.
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my personal favorite is the first Terminator
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(https://i.redd.it/s45mp4zgt6ky.jpg)
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He's been married 5 times - he keeps trying :lol
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He's a pretty smart guy, which is why I was surprised that despite having divorce after divorce after divorce, he still keeps signing up for another go. You would have thought he would have wised up after the 2nd or 3rd divorce.
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Sometimes smart people can be idiots.
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"Just because you're smart doesn't mean you can't act stupid" -
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Sooner or later you have to start wondering if your the problem.
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He's been married for 17 years this go around. He must have chilled out in his later years.