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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: KevShmev on January 24, 2017, 08:52:02 PM
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Saw this elsewhere. Very cool listen.
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode07dreamtheaterpt1
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode08dreamtheaterpt2
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Thanks for sharing. Will definitely listen this afternoon.
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I'm listening to the first part right now. These two nerds seem to know their stuff. :-)
One of them spoke of how much he loves the production for I&W but I am not a fan of the triggered drums.
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I listened up until the point in which they started discussing the departure of MP. Good stuff! I definitely don't agree with some of their opinions but it was a good listen.
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That was a ton of fun. I never thought I'd actually get to hear a Dream Theater podcast. :lol
I have a few thoughts:
- Really interesting to hear people talk about Dream Theater who are clearly knowledgeable fans, but maybe not the types who are going to spend all day on forums like us crazy people. I think that I've greatly underestimated just how much people love Mike Portnoy and view him as indispensable to the band.
- Maybe I'm weird in this sense, but I really don't care when a band writes fantasy lyrics. The host of the podcast made it sound like fantasy lyrics are the worst thing in the world.
- During Pt. II, the guys talk about how Petrucci needs to hold back a little bit. I actually think that he has held back a ton since ADTOE. One of the guys also mentioned that he thought TA has bad production, but that he didn't mind the sound of DT12. I disagreed on that point too.
- They reminded me how awesome SDOIT is. What a record. :metal
Hat's off to Geek U.S.A. I will be tuning in for more!
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I thought it was weird about how much they trash SC & BCASL, and then claim ADTOE wasn't good because Mike was the heart and soul of the band.
At least when they spoke about not liking MM in DT, they said they don't wish that he was replaced because they would never wish somebody loses their job. That's pretty classy at least.
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That was a ton of fun. I never thought I'd actually get to hear a Dream Theater podcast. :lol
Eh, I've done 10 episodes on my podcast: https://dtnorway.com/podcast.xml
And a guy i know runs this one: https://soundcloud.com/dreamtheaterradio - 28 episodes so far.
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I thought it was a fun listen as well, but also found it odd that they're so anxious for an MP return considering how much they dislike the last two albums with him and don't seem to like Octavarium much either, AND they seemed to like A Dramatic Turn at least better than those and also thought the self titled was their best since 6 Degrees. JP likes metal and writing heavy riffs and songs, but I do believe that MP is responsible for the type of metal elements that they don't like in SC or Black Clouds. True however that MP wasn't responsible for the fantasy lyrics they dislike so much.
I also don't think anyone who is as much a fan of JL as they are should be so anxious for MP to return.
But it was enjoyable to listen to and I would be interested in hearing them dedicate an episode to each album. Or at least each album that they like.
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I thought it was a fun listen as well, but also found it odd that they're so anxious for an MP return considering how much they dislike the last two albums with him and don't seem to like Octavarium much either, AND they seemed to like A Dramatic Turn at least better than those and also thought the self titled was their best since 6 Degrees. JP likes metal and writing heavy riffs and songs, but I do believe that MP is responsible for the type of metal elements that they don't like in SC or Black Clouds. True however that MP wasn't responsible for the fantasy lyrics they dislike so much.
I also don't think anyone who is as much a fan of JL as they are should be so anxious for MP to return.
But it was enjoyable to listen to and I would be interested in hearing them dedicate an episode to each album. Or at least each album that they like.
Fans like that really just seem like they've grown out of the music. I know several DT fans like that. In fact, out of the handful of people that got me into Dream Theater, exactly ZERO listen them anymore. In the past when I've spoken with them about it, they always say the same things, exactly what these guys said. These guys even addressed the idea that they just aren't into that music anymore by saying that they still listen to music like that...same excuse I've heard before. When pushed, out of the people I know that got me into DT, they admit that they don't listen to that stuff anymore or if they do it is rare and without the same fervor.
It's fine if people grow out of music. I just wish they would realize it's more their fault than the bands.
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Opinions are always going to vary from fan to fan, but I think they did a good job of being respectful of everyone in the band. Once they made it clear that they were very pro-Portnoy, I was almost expecting a bunch of subtle digs at Mangini and LaBrie, but they never went that route. I enjoyed the podcast a lot. :hat
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Opinions are always going to vary from fan to fan, but I think they did a good job of being respectful of everyone in the band. Once they made it clear that they were very pro-Portnoy, I was almost expecting a bunch of subtle digs at Mangini and LaBrie, but they never went that route. I enjoyed the podcast a lot. :hat
Agree with you there. They were very respectful and it was a lot of fun to listen to.
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Fans like that really just seem like they've grown out of the music. I know several DT fans like that. In fact, out of the handful of people that got me into Dream Theater, exactly ZERO listen them anymore. In the past when I've spoken with them about it, they always say the same things, exactly what these guys said. These guys even addressed the idea that they just aren't into that music anymore by saying that they still listen to music like that...same excuse I've heard before. When pushed, out of the people I know that got me into DT, they admit that they don't listen to that stuff anymore or if they do it is rare and without the same fervor.
It's fine if people grow out of music. I just wish they would realize it's more their fault than the bands.
I guess it's hard to say. Only they really know. I did find myself constantly wishing that I could interject here or there, but that's a sign that I found it interesting. Hmm, but maybe you're right about them really having moved on. With as much praise as they gave the self-titled album, and the positive comments they gave A Dramatic Turn, you would think they'd be a little bit more engaged with current DT than they are.
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At least when they spoke about not liking MM in DT, they said they don't wish that he was replaced because they would never wish somebody loses their job. That's pretty classy at least.
That's how I feel. I don't wish the man ill, but I just would prefer that MP and DT reconcile. I'm sure MM would have no trouble finding work.
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At least when they spoke about not liking MM in DT, they said they don't wish that he was replaced because they would never wish somebody loses their job. That's pretty classy at least.
That's how I feel. I don't wish the man ill, but I just would prefer that MP and DT reconcile. I'm sure MM would have no trouble finding work.
I need to listen to this podcast, but I wanted to chime in and say (and I can't believe I am saying this now), I agree. I was always very critical of MP toward the end of the tenure. I felt he was too much and brought the band down with all his extraneous stuff. Now, however, what, six years on, I gotta say, I miss the excitement MP brought to the band.
Let me explain that briefly -- I miss the guy in the band who truly was like one of the fans, and "got it," from a fan perspective. DT is a bit... "colder" now that MP is gone. Mangini is arguably a technically better drummer (amazing to even say that), but MP's personality in his playing, which gave DT a lot of its character, is no longer there. It could be sentimental on my part -- I've been really missing old school DT (early =-mid 90s) lately. But after DT has now settled down and released three records without MP, I gotta say, it doesn't seem right that he's not there.
There are some things that I think (again, I'm not as informed as some fans, so forgive me if I'm not on-point with stuff) would need to be addressed. First and foremost, he would need to repair his relationships with John and James. I think it is pretty evident that MP and James drifted apart over the years severely. That has to be mended. and of course, with MP leaving, and the lawsuit, and all of that, he needs to sit with JP and talk as friends, and see if there can be a resolution. MP's still tight with Jordan, and I assume he and JM are fine.
Second, if (and that's a big IF) all of the successful changes that have been made in DT -- James being more comfortable doing vocals in the studio, etc....those are things MP would have to be good with, and not rock the apple cart. I mean, DT was MP's baby, but it wasn't his baby alone, and now belongs even more to JP and JM, not to mention JR and JLB. So Portnoy would have to be OK with what they do.
Again, no disrespect to MM at all. And honestly, I can't believe I am saying what I am saying regarding MP. But simply put, I miss his presence in DT.
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I wanted to chime in and say (and I can't believe I am saying this now), I agree. I was always very critical of MP toward the end of the tenure. I felt he was too much and brought the band down with all his extraneous stuff. Now, however, what, six years on, I gotta say, I miss the excitement MP brought to the band.
Let me explain that briefly -- I miss the guy in the band who truly was like one of the fans, and "got it," from a fan perspective. DT is a bit... "colder" now that MP is gone. Mangini is arguably a technically better drummer (amazing to even say that), but MP's personality in his playing, which gave DT a lot of its character, is no longer there. It could be sentimental on my part -- I've been really missing old school DT (early =-mid 90s) lately. But after DT has now settled down and released three records without MP, I gotta say, it doesn't seem right that he's not there.
There are some things that I think (again, I'm not as informed as some fans, so forgive me if I'm not on-point with stuff) would need to be addressed. First and foremost, he would need to repair his relationships with John and James. I think it is pretty evident that MP and James drifted apart over the years severely. That has to be mended. and of course, with MP leaving, and the lawsuit, and all of that, he needs to sit with JP and talk as friends, and see if there can be a resolution. MP's still tight with Jordan, and I assume he and JM are fine.
Second, if (and that's a big IF) all of the successful changes that have been made in DT -- James being more comfortable doing vocals in the studio, etc....those are things MP would have to be good with, and not rock the apple cart. I mean, DT was MP's baby, but it wasn't his baby alone, and now belongs even more to JP and JM, not to mention JR and JLB. So Portnoy would have to be OK with what they do.
Again, no disrespect to MM at all. And honestly, I can't believe I am saying what I am saying regarding MP. But simply put, I miss his presence in DT.
This will surprise some, considering my stances over the years, but I am coming around to this line of thinking.
Now, I do think the three Mangini albums are all much better than the last three albums the band did with Portnoy, so the change was absolutely needed, but I think maybe Mangini isn't quite the perfect fit many thought he would be. Yeah, he's a beast of a player, and about as nice a guy as you'll ever meet, but his playing sometimes seems a bit too stiff and mathematical. That hasn't been a detriment to the music at all, but while the drums used to bring a certain bit of fun and excitement to the band, they are now there as merely an extremely impressive technical backdrop. IMO, of course. And let's face it, for whatever reason, he has yet to get his drums to sound awesome on a DT record.
As for Portnoy, I certainly do not miss the way he dominated interviews and screen time in videos and DVD releases more and more as time went on, but his drumming style is just...fun. Sure, he often grabs from his usual bag of tricks, but they work, so there ya go. And as much as he insists otherwise, I am convinced that it still devastates him to think that Dream Theater continues to go on without him. I did not feel the need to mention this in my review last week of the Neal Morse concert I saw, but he just didn't look like himself. Sure, every time Neal turned to him to engage him in a little showmanship, he perked up, and he did the standing up to get the crowd going thing a few times, but for much of the concert, he just looked like a guy there doing a job. Now, it's possible that he was having a bad night (we all have them), and playing to crowds that small now has to be incredibly galling, not to mention that you can't be "up" for 150 minutes every night, especially when playing music that physically and technically demanding, but I think he misses his old band. How could he not?
That all said, I am still glad the split happened. Since then, we have gotten three really good/great records from DT, and from Portnoy, we have gotten four Neal Morse studio albums, two Flying Colors albums and another Transatlantic record (and the Winery Dogs, if that is your bag). It's been win-win from both camps. :tup :tup
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There are some things that I think (again, I'm not as informed as some fans, so forgive me if I'm not on-point with stuff) would need to be addressed. First and foremost, he would need to repair his relationships with John and James. I think it is pretty evident that MP and James drifted apart over the years severely. That has to be mended. and of course, with MP leaving, and the lawsuit, and all of that, he needs to sit with JP and talk as friends, and see if there can be a resolution. MP's still tight with Jordan, and I assume he and JM are fine.
Second, if (and that's a big IF) all of the successful changes that have been made in DT -- James being more comfortable doing vocals in the studio, etc....those are things MP would have to be good with, and not rock the apple cart. I mean, DT was MP's baby, but it wasn't his baby alone, and now belongs even more to JP and JM, not to mention JR and JLB. So Portnoy would have to be OK with what they do.
Again, no disrespect to MM at all. And honestly, I can't believe I am saying what I am saying regarding MP. But simply put, I miss his presence in DT.
I don't really think that's realistic though. MP has always struck me as either giving 150% or 0%. He has always struck me as the type of guy that kinda has that "this is who I am, take me or leave me" attitude. Those characteristics aren't bad, but in this situation it leads me to believe that if MP did rejoin DT, he would rejoin working under the notion that things would go back to exactly how they were previously. James wouldn't have more ownership over his vocals, the baby wouldn't be everyone's as you put it (which is crazy by the way, every guy in that band is committed and invested in that band, it's no more any one person's baby than another's).
As for Portnoy, I certainly do not miss the way he dominated interviews and screen time in videos and DVD releases more and more as time went on, but his drumming style is just...fun. Sure, he often grabs from his usual bag of tricks, but they work, so there ya go. And as much as he insists otherwise, I am convinced that it still devastates him to think that Dream Theater continues to go on without him. I did not feel the need to mention this in my review last week of the Neal Morse concert I saw, but he just didn't look like himself. Sure, every time Neal turned to him to engage him in a little showmanship, he perked up, and he did the standing up to get the crowd going thing a few times, but for much of the concert, he just looked like a guy there doing a job. Now, it's possible that he was having a bad night (we all have them), and playing to crowds that small now has to be incredibly galling, not to mention that you can't be "up" for 150 minutes every night, especially when playing music that physically and technically demanding, but I think he misses his old band. How could he not?
Good post Kev. The above part is interesting to me though, and not to sound too harsh but if he does miss his old band, I hope he realizes that there's nobody to blame for that but himself.
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As for Portnoy, I certainly do not miss the way he dominated interviews and screen time in videos and DVD releases more and more as time went on, but his drumming style is just...fun. Sure, he often grabs from his usual bag of tricks, but they work, so there ya go. And as much as he insists otherwise, I am convinced that it still devastates him to think that Dream Theater continues to go on without him. I did not feel the need to mention this in my review last week of the Neal Morse concert I saw, but he just didn't look like himself. Sure, every time Neal turned to him to engage him in a little showmanship, he perked up, and he did the standing up to get the crowd going thing a few times, but for much of the concert, he just looked like a guy there doing a job. Now, it's possible that he was having a bad night (we all have them), and playing to crowds that small now has to be incredibly galling, not to mention that you can't be "up" for 150 minutes every night, especially when playing music that physically and technically demanding, but I think he misses his old band. How could he not?
Good post Kev. The above part is interesting to me though, and not to sound too harsh but if he does miss his old band, I hope he realizes that there's nobody to blame for that but himself.
I'm sure that deep down, he knows it is more his fault than anyone else's that he is not in the band anymore, although he'd never admit it.
The funny thing is, for the people who want him back in the band, do they think the band will magically return to the 90s or early 00s, when nearly everything they did turned to gold?
It is what it is, at this point.
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I'm sure that deep down, he knows it is more his fault than anyone else's that he is not in the band anymore, although he'd never admit it.
Of course he does. And you're right, his ego won't allow a public admission of that.
The funny thing is, for the people who want him back in the band, do they think the band will magically return to the 90s or early 00s, when nearly everything they did turned to gold?
Speaking for only myself, of course not. I actually didn't like the last few albums WITH MP. All I was saying was that I miss MP's presence in the band, and the energy it brought. No more, no less. From a selfish point of view, I'd like to see him back so DT has that element in it. But will it happen? I wouldn't say never, but most likely not, no.
It is what it is, at this point.
Pretty much, yeah. But if the time and situations is right, and people in the band get to certain places with their feelings for the issue, I'm sure a reconciliation is possible to a degree. Not saying it WILL happen, but there's a small chance. MP and JR have already, it seems, mended fences. The biggest hurdles (no offense to JM, who I think can get along with anyone because of his quiet personality) are JLB and JP. And I really don't think MP will be able to do anything unless he and JLB sit down, and literally hash it all out and become friends. If that happens, perhaps then MP can approach JP. MP needs to have his relationships with everyone else repaired before he tackles the big kahuna. :lol
So not likely at all, but the possibility exists. Other bands who had huge falling outs did it. So could DT, potentially.
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My speculation is that if Mangini leaves, Portnoy will return. The question then becomes: Will Mangini ever leave?
Based on that interview he did a few months back, it sounds like him walking away is now a possibility. Whether or not it's likely, I cannot say, but he's clearly not 100% satisfied with his role in Dream Theater. I'll be very curious to see whether or not he contributes more on their next record.
I personally love Mangini and would prefer that he stay with the band until their retirement, but you never know.
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My speculation is that if Mangini leaves, Portnoy will return. The question then becomes: Will Mangini ever leave?
Based on that interview he did a few months back, it sounds like him walking away is now a possibility. Whether or not it's likely, I cannot say, but he's clearly not 100% satisfied with his role in Dream Theater. I'll be very curious to see whether or not he contributes more on their next record.
I personally love Mangini and would prefer that he stay with the band until their retirement, but you never know.
He also clearly loves teaching -- something he can't pursue regularly while in Dream Theater. Mangini has never been one to stick with a band very long, even if he said he wanted to. To be honest, I feel him leaving is a distinct possibility in the next few years. Touring is a rough deal, and the ability to handle it with regularity isn't something everyone can deal with successfully at all stages of their lives.
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I'm not so sure that if Mangini would leave right now (let's say he does it in autumn, when the whole tour will be over) Portnoy would automatically be invited back. As it has been stated before, there would be some serious talks to have between them all before that.
And if not for the fans, I really hope for themselves that James and Mike one day sit down and talk it all out, as late as the Octavarium era I remember Mike defending strongly James on his board and it's a pity things fell apart so quickly after that.
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My speculation is that if Mangini leaves, Portnoy will return. The question then becomes: Will Mangini ever leave?
Based on that interview he did a few months back, it sounds like him walking away is now a possibility. Whether or not it's likely, I cannot say, but he's clearly not 100% satisfied with his role in Dream Theater. I'll be very curious to see whether or not he contributes more on their next record.
I personally love Mangini and would prefer that he stay with the band until their retirement, but you never know.
Which intie are you referring to? I've been out of the loop.
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My speculation is that if Mangini leaves, Portnoy will return. The question then becomes: Will Mangini ever leave?
Based on that interview he did a few months back, it sounds like him walking away is now a possibility. Whether or not it's likely, I cannot say, but he's clearly not 100% satisfied with his role in Dream Theater. I'll be very curious to see whether or not he contributes more on their next record.
I personally love Mangini and would prefer that he stay with the band until their retirement, but you never know.
Which intie are you referring to? I've been out of the loop.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49004.0
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It's clear that MP wanted to explore other musical outlets seeing all the other bands he's been in since DT. I love the musical direction DT went afterwards, they put out three stellar albums which allowed JLB to shine, especially The Astonishing. TA may have never happened if MP was in the line-up, but if it did it would be wayyy different! I'm glad we got TA the way it is, and DT12 and ADTOE for that matter..
I like MP and MM equally as much, but in different ways, but I'd be ok with MM being in the DT camp for a long time if not indefinitely!
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That was a ton of fun. I never thought I'd actually get to hear a Dream Theater podcast. :lol
Eh, I've done 10 episodes on my podcast: https://dtnorway.com/podcast.xml
And a guy i know runs this one: https://soundcloud.com/dreamtheaterradio - 28 episodes so far.
Do you have a real link for yours? The .xml file just gives a bunch of xml
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Hi all,
Jim here (from the above cited podcast)...I usually post over at MP.com but have been lurking here for years as well.
I just wanted to say 'Thanks!' to everyone who checked out our podcast. As many have pointed out, Carl and I are just a couple of huge nerds with equally huge opinions on the bands we love...(just like most everyone else). Regardless of where you fall on our thoughts, I hope our passion for the topic comes through.
Alright, I'll let the conversation continue...just wanted to say Thanks!
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Do you have a real link for yours? The .xml file just gives a bunch of xml
Use a podcast client like itunes to read the xml.
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Hi all,
Jim here (from the above cited podcast)...I usually post over at MP.com but have been lurking here for years as well.
I just wanted to say 'Thanks!' to everyone who checked out our podcast. As many have pointed out, Carl and I are just a couple of huge nerds with equally huge opinions on the bands we love...(just like most everyone else). Regardless of where you fall on our thoughts, I hope our passion for the topic comes through.
Alright, I'll let the conversation continue...just wanted to say Thanks!
Welcome! Thanks for stopping in... And glad you read my comment on your podcast :)
Show was great, however a few times you said you'd discuss some subject "more later" and guessing you ran out of time, things like songwriting and lyrics (you mentioned discussing JM v MP songwriting topic).
I'd love to hear a part 3 and dig in some more.
Also I think you guys were way hard on SC and BC&SL... I also (being a new DT listener) don't "get" or appreciate 6DOIT. But that's just me.
I did totally agree with you guys on the 3 MM albums. I don't dig the Astonishing, but really love the DT12 album, and much of ADToE is pretty solid, all things considered.
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...as late as the Octavarium era I remember Mike defending strongly James on his board
Can you remember what was that about? I wonder.
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This post:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=881090&mpage=3#881539
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Also I think you guys were way hard on SC and BC&SL... I also (being a new DT listener) don't "get" or appreciate 6DOIT. But that's just me.
I did totally agree with you guys on the 3 MM albums. I don't dig the Astonishing, but really love the DT12 album, and much of ADToE is pretty solid, all things considered.
I feel similar to you. Re: 6DOIT - I love the first disc. The second is OK is bits and pieces. Wish it was broken up in to tracks rather than one long track.
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But... it is broken up into tracks.
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Carl from the above mentioned podcast. I am touched and humbled that so many people are having such a civil conversation about our episode. Dream Theater may be the least popular topic we've done a podcast on but its the most listened to by far. There are probably many reasons for this but i know DT fans are some of the brightest, well informed and nerdiest in existence. For our podcast to be part of this conversation truly means a lot to me. We are going to do a podcast on Images and Words soon considering the 25th anniversary milestone.
We would very much appreciate fan interaction on this. We want to read and discuss a few fans opinions on DT and I&W on the actual podcast. If you're interested feel free to email us your responses to a few questions. We will select all or some responses to discuss depending on how many we get. So if youre interested shoot us an email with the following format. You dont even have to like the album, honest opinions welcome.
Geekusapodcast@gmail.com
Subject I&W podcast
1.) Name ? ( however you want us to read this aloud )
2.) Age ? ( if your comfortable, if not we understand )
3.) Favorite DT album ?
4.) Still a fan of I&W if ever at all?
5.) General opinion of I&W?
6.) Anything you would change about the album?
Thank you all for listening and discussing. And for those who decide to reply thank you so much for being apart of our podcast.
Sincerely,
Carl.
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Bump. Their next episode is up where they only discuss I&W.
I subscribe on iTunes fyi. Geek USA.
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Bump. Their next episode is up where they only discuss I&W.
I subscribe on iTunes fyi. Geek USA.
Hey. Thanks for the subscribing.
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Doug, can we PM you here instead of email?
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PMs always welcome.
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Alright, so Carl and I decided to dig into Awake this past week.
There is obviously a ton of well-deserved love for this album, so we thought it would be good try to peel back the nostalgia and really dive into this thing track by track, framing our memories of it then within the context of now.
Enjoy!
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode26dreamtheaterawake (https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode26dreamtheaterawake)
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Wait, people say awake is their best album?
I don't think it's even better than I&W
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Wait, people say awake is their best album?
I don't think it's even better than I&W
Different opinions for different people : I actually think it is.
B.Lee
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Alright, so Carl and I decided to dig into Awake this past week.
There is obviously a ton of well-deserved love for this album, so we thought it would be good try to peel back the nostalgia and really dive into this thing track by track, framing our memories of it then within the context of now.
Enjoy!
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode26dreamtheaterawake (https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode26dreamtheaterawake)
Omg the very end, comparing I&W to PJ Ten made my day.
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Alright, so Carl and I decided to dig into Awake this past week.
There is obviously a ton of well-deserved love for this album, so we thought it would be good try to peel back the nostalgia and really dive into this thing track by track, framing our memories of it then within the context of now.
Enjoy!
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode26dreamtheaterawake (https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode26dreamtheaterawake)
Listening now... :tup :tup
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Thank you so much for listening!
As always, we always love the conversation. You guys rock.
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I'd love to hear a podcast for every DT album; I'd listen to them all. :coolio
This one was most excellent. Awake has long been my favorite DT record, so a podcast like this is basically throwing me read meat (although the lack of love for The Silent Man was disappointing :P). :lol :lol
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Wait... There's a lack of love for Silent Man!? >:(
Just kidding. It's all good. I'm looking forward to listening to the new podcast this week.
I personally think that Awake is an amazing record. It's hard for me to put a finger on exactly why it clicks, but here's a random thought: It has certain songs that I love but don't necessarily listen to a lot, so every time I play the album, it has a certain freshness to it that is hard to maintain after so many years. For example, I think that Images and Words is a masterpiece, but I've heard every song on it a million times. When I play Awake, tracks like "Innocence Faded" and "Lifting Shadows" stand out because I only hear them a few times a year. :lol
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Alright everyone, this past week we discussed the much-maligned, misunderstood masterpiece (at least to some of us;) that is Falling Into Infinity.
We not only go in depth on the actual record itself, but we also discuss the background behind the album as well as the treasure-trove of unreleased material that came from the sessions.
Whether you loved it, hated it, or have never even listened to it, Falling Into Infinity is definitely the odd man out in DT's catalog; if nothing else, I hope our podcast inspires revisiting and re-listening!
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode34dreamtheater-fallingintoinfinity (https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode34dreamtheater-fallingintoinfinity)
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just want to say the listens we have been getting is great. thank everyone whose been listening.
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Love the podcast. The Spaceballs episode was great.
I just don't like how the ending is. You guys keep talking and the music comes in like you're being played off of the Oscars stage.
Cant wait for scenes and beyond now.
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You lost me at "the misunderstood masterpiece FII"..
But I'll bite, listening now :D
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Great listen, as always!! Well done. :tup :tup
Not sure I'd go so far as calling it a "misunderstood masterpiece" - no album with You Not Me and Burning My Soul is a masterpiece :lol :lol - but it is certainly an underrated record.
I will stand by the comment I have made about this album for years. It was underrated simply because it was their least best of the 90s albums, so when it was compared to I&W, Awake and Scenes, the consensus was that it just didn't stack up to the others, but as time has gone on and their discography has grown, Falling into Infinity has stayed in the upper part of the mid tier (I think saying it is their 5th or 6th best album is pretty accurate).
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It's a highly compromised album that deserves every piece of flak it gets.
I'll have to check out these podcasts.
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You lost me at "the misunderstood masterpiece FII"..
But I'll bite, listening now :D
you rock. as always my favorite part about this sorta thing is the discussion, which is boring if everyone agrees.
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Love the podcast. The Spaceballs episode was great.
I just don't like how the ending is. You guys keep talking and the music comes in like you're being played off of the Oscars stage.
Cant wait for scenes and beyond now.
Sometimes we just start repeating ourselves and/or one of us says something super regrettable and almost always offensive...hence the fade out :tup
Like my Aunt Milly always said, get while the gettin' is good!
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the fade out hides all the off color jokes that are too fast for prime time
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Just listening to the Awake podcast. Great stuff! I have a question though. Why do guys keep referring to Images as the first album?
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Just listening to the Awake podcast. Great stuff! I have a question though. Why do guys keep referring to Images as the first album?
Start with their original DT podcast. They discuss how they feel about WDADU
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Just listening to the Awake podcast. Great stuff! I have a question though. Why do guys keep referring to Images as the first album?
Start with their original DT podcast. They discuss how they feel about WDADU
This. We feel like WDADU falls into that 'No Life Till Leather' category where as it may be the technical first release, but the majority of people don't associate it as such. For the sake of our discussions, we operate under the assumption that I&W is the 'first' album in spirit and the one from which we are measuring everything.
We plan on doing an 'odds and ends' podcast at some point where we dive into all of the second tier release - WDADU, the YtseJam releases, bootlegs and such.
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That's because the majority of fans are...silly. :P
When Dream and Day Unite is Dream Theater's first album, no matter how many fans want to pretend otherwise. ;)
Keep up the good podcasts, regardless. :tup :tup
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That's because the majority of fans are...silly. :P
When Dream and Day Unite is Dream Theater's first album, no matter how many fans want to pretend otherwise. ;)
Keep up the good podcasts, regardless. :tup :tup
This is what I thought. I can understand how it is underwhelming compared to the rest of the catalogue. But, what's the point of just disregarding it and pretending like it doesn't even exist? It just makes things confusing while they're talking. I still like the podcast, though! :tup
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Same fellas are doing a VH podcast now! See: General Music here for the link.
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Same fellas are doing a VH podcast now! See: General Music here for the link.
AND we dont leave out their first album so.... bonus.
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hey ladies and gents..we just tossed up part one of our Queensryche Podcast.
we really set out to be the best we can on this one.
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Scenes review is up! Haven't listened yet.
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Scenes review is up! Haven't listened yet.
I keep posting the links in the wrong thread >:(
here it is.
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode41dreamtheaterscenesfromamemory
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The fact that the titles of your podcast have periods instead of spaces is so annoying and hilarious at the same time.
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I never noticed it until you brought it up, but now I can't forget about it and it kinda :censored me off
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Sounds cool, will listen to it tomorrow morning.
Thanks for sharing mate.
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It is an interesting podcast but I disagree with just about all of their opinions regarding the music. Calling “Through her eyes” an embarrassment? Whatever. The cheesiness of TCOT is what makes it so AWESOME. Too bad these guys cant appreciate it. I think one of them said “a nightmare to remember” was the best song on black clouds. 🤔 They say JP hasnt done anything good since six degrees. Sigh. The only song on Octavarium that one of them liked was “These walls” what the heck!!
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It is an interesting podcast but I disagree with just about all of their opinions regarding the music. Calling “Through her eyes” an embarrassment? Whatever. The cheesiness of TCOT is what makes it so AWESOME. Too bad these guys cant appreciate it. I think one of them said “a nightmare to remember” was the best song on black clouds. 🤔 They say JP hasnt done anything good since six degrees. Whatever. The only song on Octavarium that one of them liked was “These walls” what the heck!!
While these podcasts have gotten pretty good reviews here, I can not bring myself to listen because I'd be too frustrated wanting to interject.
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One of them says he skips “regression” when he listens to SFAM. “It’s cheesy”
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One of them says he skips “regression” when he listens to SFAM. “It’s cheesy”
Cheesy? No. Skipping it? Well I could understand someone just wanting to get on with the guts of the music. There's many intros that I blow right past. Personally, I love Regression.
Anyway, I skip all of SFAM. I always go for Live Scenes. ;D
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They skip through my words too
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Oohh. Now that's essential.
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And they said “finally free” is horrible. I can’t take that seriously. One of them hates “dance of eternity”
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See, that's why I couldn't listen.
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One of them says he skips “regression” when he listens to SFAM. “It’s cheesy”
Who doesn't?
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Me. I love it.
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Me. I love it.
Like it a lot too.
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Finally listened to those two podcasts where they talk about the band's history. It was a fun listen. I like how one of them left a New Year's Eve party for two hours to drive around and listen to Scenes ha ha ;D
I was a little surprised they didn't talk about LaBrie's vocal issues and still think he's a phenomenal singer live.
Herrick agrees about the memoralbility of Ruddess' solos and Mangini's drumming.
One of the podcasters only listened to The Astonishing 3 days before that podcast and already made a decision about how bad the album was...then bought it? I'm not into the album either but I think it's an album that needs to be explored a bit more before passing final judgement.
On another note, it's a little odd that they kept buying DT albums on day 1 when they thought the last few albums were terrible or meh. Hell, The Astonishing is the reason why I won't buy the next DT album before hearing it. But these are all just opinions and all in good fun :tup I'll be checking out their other DT podcasts.
Edit: Oh and Dream Theater with Russel Allen would not sound like Symphony X LoL. What was that all about?
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Hi all, James here (from this very podcast!)
I just thought I would jump in here and say we super appreciate everyone taking their time to check out our little podcast here...it's been about a year and we have learned a lot doing it...it has been the very definition of a 'labor of love'.
It's hard to sum up a lifetime of thoughts and opinions on these topics into an hour or two and to be honest, I often find myself wanting to interject with myself when I listen back! And inevitably there are things we forget to say or things we MIS-say.
That being said, however it comes across I want everyone to know that we love DT (and everything else we discuss) and I hope, above all else, the podcast reflects how passionate we are about the music these guys have created.
Cheers!
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One of them says he skips “regression” when he listens to SFAM. “It’s cheesy”
Cheesy? No. Skipping it? Well I could understand someone just wanting to get on with the guts of the music. There's many intros that I blow right past. Personally, I love Regression.
Anyway, I skip all of SFAM. I always go for Live Scenes. ;D
One man's cheese is another man's chedder ;)
I've built up such a like for DT and their performances that yes, I for one will continue to listen and buy. Sometimes I may not enjoy how the tunes ended up but, performance is performance ya know?
If all I did was listen to music I enjoyed, I wouldn't be able to do a podcast like this.
The thing that I love the most, is that someone listens and feels the need to discuss it, be it with praise or critique. And I have to say I'm pretty touched that you are discussing it like this.
It's hard to get into the discussion and not let it get away from me though, I mean when doing the cast. Sometimes, the entitled fan creeps through. Either way, to repeat, I am touched with the listens and the conversation. Thank you all so much. Easily DT has the best fan base and it means a lot.
We're going to start a weekly cast on the new Trek show, and, well, that fan base makes me a little nervous.
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We're going to start a weekly cast on the new Trek show, and, well, that fan base makes me a little nervous.
I didn't know they made a new show. I'm way behind. I haven't even seen Deep Space 9 yet.
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Star Trek discovery.
If you like JJ trek and like the political / war side of DS9 you'll probably like it.
the catch?
you have to pay 5 bucks a month for CBS all access.
Ill be honest when looking over their shows it's not particularly a bad deal
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Star Trek discovery.
If you like JJ trek and like the political / war side of DS9 you'll probably like it.
the catch?
you have to pay 5 bucks a month for CBS all access.
Ill be honest when looking over their shows it's not particularly a bad deal
By the time I get around to watching it, it'll be out on DVD so I'll just rent it then. Hell there will probably be a bunch of seasons out by then if the show is successful.
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You aint wrong.
hell by then CBS all access may be a failure and you'd find it on hulu or Netflix.
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Just finished listening to the 2 parts and all I can say, being a thirty-something as well, and having grown up with their lyrics, I so fucking agree with the 2 of them as to what they became after Octavarium, specially when it comes to fantasy lyrics.
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Just finished listening to the 2 parts and all I can say, being a thirty-something as well, and having grown up with their lyrics, I so fucking agree with the 2 of them as to what they became after Octavarium, specially when it comes to fantasy lyrics.
I'm so fucking happy that you so fucking agree ;)
We recorded our podcast on Six Degrees, should go up any week now.
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Just finished listening to the 2 parts and all I can say, being a thirty-something as well, and having grown up with their lyrics, I so fucking agree with the 2 of them as to what they became after Octavarium, specially when it comes to fantasy lyrics.
I'm so fucking happy that you so fucking agree ;)
We recorded our podcast on Six Degrees, should go up any week now.
I’m so fucking looking forward to it.
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I pretty much agree with everything both guys said.
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Skeever,
Which one of the casts are you talking about? by now we've a few up and I have a hard time keepin straight which one yall are listening to.
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Just finished listening to the 2 parts and all I can say, being a thirty-something as well, and having grown up with their lyrics, I so fucking agree with the 2 of them as to what they became after Octavarium, specially when it comes to fantasy lyrics.
I'm so fucking happy that you so fucking agree ;)
We recorded our podcast on Six Degrees, should go up any week now.
Post it now!!!
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Skeever,
Which one of the casts are you talking about? by now we've a few up and I have a hard time keepin straight which one yall are listening to.
Aware it wasn’t for me, but I’ve just started listening to the I & W one.
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If i'm not mistake the Six Degrees cast goes up next week.
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Hey guys, is the 6 degrees podcast up yet?
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Absolutely, just getting the links out today
ITunes
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/geek-u-s-a-a-nerd-tastic-podcast/id1179864086?mt=2
Soundcloud
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode-56-dream-theater-6-degrees-of-inner-turbulence-pt1
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Absolutely, just getting the links out today
ITunes
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/geek-u-s-a-a-nerd-tastic-podcast/id1179864086?mt=2
Soundcloud
https://soundcloud.com/geek-usa/episode-56-dream-theater-6-degrees-of-inner-turbulence-pt1
I think I love you.
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Don't tell my wife...
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I listened. While I agree with both of you about the epic status and quality of this album, I'm pretty sure I arrived via a different path. :lol
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I listened. While I agree with both of you about the epic status and quality of this album, I'm pretty sure I arrived via a different path. :lol
It's all about the journey aint it?
that's one of the great things about a band as solidly prolific as DT,
Different journeys for everyone.
I'm so thankful that you listened.