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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: DTresearcher on January 11, 2017, 05:06:40 AM
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DTF community, I'm hoping some Longtime fans can help me out here...
According to Wikipedia (the fountain of all knowledge, all hail the collective consciousness of the internet), DT toured for a year after the release of Falling Into Infinity, and most of the songs they played from that album were performed more-or-less in the way that the band had originally written them (as featured on the 'Falling Into Infinity Demos' on Ytse Jams Records).
1997-98, the Internet was still in its infancy, so there weren't any 'dislikes' on YouTube music videos, or really much in the way of internet forums for people to go "honestly, I felt [like this] about FII" (though if I'm wrong about that, please enlighten me) - so my question is thus; Did DT perform the songs in their Demo forms Live because THEY wanted to, or because THEIR FANS wanted them to? If their fans wanted them to, how did they communicate with each other/the band to say "Not really a great album IMO." or "I've heard their bootlegs/demos, they sounded way better"?
This is following a questionnaire I'd posted a while back on the main board, where I asked fans about FII and SFaM and some other things. I'll take this opportunity to thank anyone who responded to said questionnaire ("do you prefer Falling... or Scenes...?"), as it's helping me conduct research for an Undergraduate paper.
Thanks,
DTresearcher :tup
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Pretty sure the main tour did not include the demo tracks. I think they pulled them out far later, especially in the Christmas shows.
I only saw one show that tour, and it was the opening night of the tour in Providence.
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The demo versions of some tracks of Falling into Infinity were performed before the release of the album, in the "Evening of new music" tour.
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Pretty sure the main tour did not include the demo tracks. I think they pulled them out far later, especially in the Christmas shows.
I only saw one show that tour, and it was the opening night of the tour in Providence.
Appreciated, thank you.
Your answer does lead me to another question, though (sort-of just re-asking an earlier one really). How did the band gather fan-responses to their work on FII (or indeed earlier works) before the age of the internet? They were already bigger than just a local NY band at the time, so had to have fans reach them from afar somehow...Were you a part of this, reader?
Thanks
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The demo versions of some tracks of Falling into Infinity were performed before the release of the album, in the "Evening of new music" tour.
Right. The Fix For '96 tour.
How did the band gather fan-responses to their work on FII (or indeed earlier works) before the age of the internet? They were already bigger than just a local NY band at the time, so had to have fans reach them from afar somehow...Were you a part of this, reader?
Wasn't there some sort of mailing list? I think I've heard about that.
I had already seen them a number of times each time they came through Boston or Providence. This was before the internet. In fact, I didn't even have a computer until about the time FII came out.
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Wasn't there some sort of mailing list? I think I've heard about that.
I had already seen them a number of times each time they came through Boston or Providence. This was before the internet. In fact, I didn't even have a computer until about the time FII came out.
Great, that might explain things. Hardcore fans writing strongly worded letters to bands who 'let them down' sounds like the 80's/90's version of twitter trolls to me haha.
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I'm not sure what you are getting at. Were fans telling DT they felt let down?
I know for me, when FII came out, I was definitely disappointed. I thought they sold out. I thought that was it. I still went to see them because I loved them, and was hoping that whatever they did next would be better.
Plus, I was never really on board with Derek. I mean it was fine that he did the Awake tour in a pinch, but I was surprised to see them make him a full member. I was one, who at the time, didn't think Derek had the chops, so to speak. But there was no YouTube to check his previous work. I am a huge Alice Cooper fan, and obviously, I had seen Derek with Alice, but other than some off stage work with Kiss, was there proof that he could hang with this young virtuosic band. I felt FII was dummed down, even though it had a couple great tracks.
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I saw them 3 times on this tour (Milwaukee and Madison in 1997, and Chicago in 1998). From what I recall, and I'd have to listen to a couple bootlegs to verify, the only song that varied from the album version (that is, how the song appeared on FII) was TAMP. From what I remember, the first verse/chorus of the song was like the demo version, and the second verse/chorus and balance of the song was like the album version.
As for how the band knew the audience's reception, it was largely by talking to the fans before and after the show (whether at the aftershows or hanging out by the bus), as well as MP reading what was posted by the fans on the Ytsejam Mailing List. Here's a link to the archived posts:
https://interzone.com/Music/Ytsejam/
For me personally, while I didn't get to attend any of the Fix for '96 or An Evening of New Music tours where the band premiered several FII songs in their demo form, I was well aware of those new songs because I had a bootleg of one of the shows that I listened to pretty religiously and for the most part liked the new songs. So needless to say, when I got a copy of FII, I was definitely disappointed in the changes that were made.
Regarding Derek, I really didn't have a problem with him being the in the band, unlike TAC. The only 2 things that really bothered me were his stage presence (with the clothes, shag carpeting on his riser, etc.) and his over-reliance on the Hammond Organ sound for his keyboards. To this day, I wish he would've had the opportunity to do at least one more album with DT, just to hear what else he could've contributed, as I thought he had a lot to offer.
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Saw them once on the tour in Bonn, Germany. Regular album versions there. However, we were treated to Nightmare Cinema, so I can't complain.
I was always a big fan of Derek, including his stage antics. Sure it was a bit hodgepodge, but I felt had they not ditched him right away again, he would have had a good influence on their stage presence.
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Going to move this to the general DT forum where it will get more views and responses, since it is more of a quest for information than specific concert discussion.
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Saw them once on the tour in Bonn, Germany. Regular album versions there. However, we were treated to Nightmare Cinema, so I can't complain.
Rumby, if you saw the Bonn show that had NC, then you were at a show from the An Evening of New Music tour, which featured the demo versions of the songs, not the album versions! :P
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I saw them in Oslo in 1998 , and the songs they performed from FII were pretty much true to the album versions.
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I saw the fix for 96 X-mas show at Mulcahys. If I remember, take away my pain was the demo version. I'll have to dig out my cassette I made that night hiding it in my pants!
I am someone who liked FII immediately (except for maybe New Millenium - which I still don't really care for). I still listen to FII often.
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Oh . . . I'm not that big on ANNA LEE either
but to answer the actual question, I saw DT:
Friday November 21, 1997 at Tradewinds
Saturday November 22, 1997 at Irving Plaza
Sunday January 4, 1998 at The Vanderbilt
I think all three of those were during that tour
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Saw them once on the tour in Bonn, Germany. Regular album versions there. However, we were treated to Nightmare Cinema, so I can't complain.
Rumby, if you saw the Bonn show that had NC, then you were at a show from the An Evening of New Music tour, which featured the demo versions of the songs, not the album versions! :P
Dang! Such a long time ago. But it definitely had NC in it.
I also vaguely remember an MP birthday at the venue.
EDIT: Just dug an old email by my brother who is much better at remembering this stuff. I saw them once for the New Music tour, and twice with the Touring into Infinity.
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Being a big fan since 93, I saw them on the first brazilian tour! My show was the Rio de Janeiro one and it was a week before the release of FII. So it was the first time that I heard Burning my soul, Peruvian skies, Lines in the sand and... Hollow years ( I guess?). All of them the way they were recorded on FII. It was an incredible show!
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So it was the first time that I heard Burning my soul, Peruvian skies, Lines in the sand and... Hollow years ( I guess?).
Not HY, but JLMB.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=339
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That's it, thanks! Anyway, almost 20 years after, I still remember most of the setlist by memory, so I'm ok with that! ;)
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I was always a big fan of Derek, including his stage antics. Sure it was a bit hodgepodge, but I felt had they not ditched him right away again, he would have had a good influence on their stage presence.
Agreed. Granted, I think bringing Rudess in was the right move, but Sherinian gave them some ROCK personality on stage that they didn't have prior and haven't had since.
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But to me, that was their charm.
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Let's see, for FII I was at the
*Fix for 96 show - The Strand in Providence
*the WHJY birthday show at Lupo's (which featured the first ever performance of NM and Hollow Years, plus debut of the album version of Burning My Soul.)
*Boston '98 show with Big Wreck, which featured the Fasten Your Seatbelts version of Ytse Jam
*Great Woods, MA - ELP/Deep Purple tour
*Christmas show '98 at in Toad's Place CT (which featured most of the FII b-sides, including the first ever performance of Where Are You Now). Maybe my favorite show.
In terms of communicating feedback with the band, like many fans, I waited in the back of venues (often in the cold) and was lucky for the chance to chat with the band after each of the above shows. I recall talking in particular with MP about the album vs '96 version of Take Away My Pain, the lyrics to Raise the Knife (go figure!) and clarifying with JP the lyrics to the extra verse removed from Lines in the Sand, and other topics.
There was no expectation by the fans to hear the songs any way other than the album version, since the demo versions were very scarce, and only a few fans were exposed to them at the time, so the band played the versions the audience would expect to hear live (with the exception of the tweaks made to Take Away My Pain, as Scotty mentioned above).
To answer your other poll, I've always preferred FII over SFAM.
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I saw them open for Deep Purple at Jones Beach. Opened with New Millenium, and also played You Not Me, iirc. Both were album versions.
Also saw dec 98 holiday show in nyc, but that obviously wasnt in support of fii.
I also prefer fii to sfam, and agree with scotty that i wanted another record with derek s.
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I . . . . agree with scotty that i wanted another record with derek s.
While I have loved DT stuff with all three Keyboard players, I also would have loved more with Derek. You can't really count A Change of Seasons because he wasn't involved in writing it (though there were so many revisions that he could have been involved with the final version)
Maybe that's just a little nostalgia on my part because those were fun years in my life. I smile remembering watching Derek flirt with a KORG rep (who will remain nameless).
Derek certainly has had a very dynamic career. Wasn't he in Wayne's World? I think he also played behind the curtain for KISS's Alive III.
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Derek certainly has had a very dynamic career. Wasn't he in Wayne's World?
Yeah, because he was at the time with Alice Cooper who stars in the film.
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Derek certainly has had a very dynamic career. Wasn't he in Wayne's World?
Yeah, because he was at the time with Alice Cooper who stars in the film.
Wait, really? That's such an awesome scene. To youtube to spot Derek in it...
:rollin yea there he is. Only can be seen for like a split second as the camera pans and he is holding a beer. Around the 23 second mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5FT3IGXtAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5FT3IGXtAk)
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Yup. And Stef Burns on guitar. :hearts:
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Alice's band at that time, for the Hey Stoopid tour in 1991:
Vinnie Moore
Stef Burns
Derek Sherinian
Eric Singer
Greg Smith
:metal
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I'm not sure what you are getting at. Were fans telling DT they felt let down?
I know for me, when FII came out, I was definitely disappointed. I thought they sold out. I thought that was it. I still went to see them because I loved them, and was hoping that whatever they did next would be better.
Plus, I was never really on board with Derek. I mean it was fine that he did the Awake tour in a pinch, but I was surprised to see them make him a full member. I was one, who at the time, didn't think Derek had the chops, so to speak. But there was no YouTube to check his previous work. I am a huge Alice Cooper fan, and obviously, I had seen Derek with Alice, but other than some off stage work with Kiss, was there proof that he could hang with this young virtuosic band. I felt FII was dummed down, even though it had a couple great tracks.
Wow...I could have said this myself (probably less well than you did.) Except for the Alice part anyway....
I thought the show I saw (and some of the boots I decided to listen to) were kind of dumbed down too. More mistakes and less quality control generally....
As a fan, there was definitely a bunch of stuff going on with the record label and the band themselves that really doesn't matter anymore now.
I like it a lot more than I used to because it is so different. (I'll never like Anna Lee though. Before Systematic Chaos came along Anna Lee was my least favorite Dream Theater song ever by a wide margin. Not so sure anymore.)
Based on those intiial feelings I only saw the proper tour once at the Tradewinds in 1997. (Caught a show each in 96 and 98.) It's still probably my least favorite Dream Theater tour ever and felt that vibe that the wheels were beginning to fall off. (Of course at that time many fans didn't know about Mike substance abuse problems.)
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Saw them once on the tour in Bonn, Germany. Regular album versions there. However, we were treated to Nightmare Cinema, so I can't complain.
Rumby, if you saw the Bonn show that had NC, then you were at a show from the An Evening of New Music tour, which featured the demo versions of the songs, not the album versions! :P
I was there too because I definitely remember seeing Nightmare Cinema.
But I don't know if the songs were demo versions. The album wasn't out and I didn't know the songs. And when the album came out I couldn't recall if there were changes made. In fact I didn't know for some years that there demo versions that were different. But you are probably right.
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I saw quite a few shows from that tour. Anything that came close to New York, I went to.
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Let's see, for FII I was at the
*Fix for 96 show - The Strand in Providence
*the WHJY birthday show at Lupo's (which featured the first ever performance of NM and Hollow Years, plus debut of the album version of Burning My Soul.)
*Boston '98 show with Big Wreck, which featured the Fasten Your Seatbelts version of Ytse Jam
*Great Woods, MA - ELP/Deep Purple tour
*Christmas show '98 at in Toad's Place CT (which featured most of the FII b-sides, including the first ever performance of Where Are You Now). Maybe my favorite show.
In terms of communicating feedback with the band, like many fans, I waited in the back of venues (often in the cold) and was lucky for the chance to chat with the band after each of the above shows. I recall talking in particular with MP about the album vs '96 version of Take Away My Pain, the lyrics to Raise the Knife (go figure!) and clarifying with JP the lyrics to the extra verse removed from Lines in the Sand, and other topics.
There was no expectation by the fans to hear the songs any way other than the album version, since the demo versions were very scarce, and only a few fans were exposed to them at the time, so the band played the versions the audience would expect to hear live (with the exception of the tweaks made to Take Away My Pain, as Scotty mentioned above).
To answer your other poll, I've always preferred FII over SFAM.
Thanks a lot for that! If you haven't already, I'd love if you could spare 5m for my other post's questionnaire :D
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I saw them 3 times on this tour (Milwaukee and Madison in 1997, and Chicago in 1998).
The November '97 Milwaukee show on this tour was my first DT show ever, so we must have both been at that show. It was so long ago, though, that I don't really remember what they played. I remember being really thrilled that Scarred was on the list, and I remember New Millennium. That's pretty much it.
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My fisrt time seeing DT live was on this tour, at the '98 Phillips Monsters Of Rock in Sao Paulo.
I became a fan because of this show! :metal
They played with Glenn Hughes, Savatage, Manowar, Slayer and Megadeth.
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I got to see them a total of 4 times where they played FII songs either before the album was released or when they toured the album:
- 12/14/96 - Fix for '96, Birch Hill, Old Bridge, NJ - Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand and Take Away My Pain were all played in what they called the "'96" versions. They also played "Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden" which contained elements of what would become "New Millenium".
- 10/25/97 - Toad's Place, New Haven, CT
- 11/21/97 - Tradewinds, Sea Bright, NJ
- 12/26/98 - Birch Hill, Old Bridge, NJ
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
That's awesome. I wish I was a fan back in those days to see DT play in such close venues (also Birch Hill).
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
That's awesome. I wish I was a fan back in those days to see DT play in such close venues (also Birch Hill).
For being such a little shit hole, the Birch Hill was a pretty awesome place to see shows. You couldn't go more than 5 mph on the gravel road that led into the complex without tearing up your car. I was lucky enough to DT there three times. I also got to see Anthrax, Biohazard, Living Colour, Brother Cane and Sevendust there.
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Yea I've been to Birch Hill many times, but never saw DT there. I did see Gwar though :lol
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It felt weird when they made that jump from Birch Hill and Trade Winds to the Beacon Theater and RCMH. I was thrilled for them. But, to go from slapping hands with James at the front of the stage to sitting in back of the boards definitely took some time to wrap my head around.
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I remember the Trade Winds shows. Big Wreck opened the first time and Dixie Dregs the second.
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I remember the Trade Winds shows. Big Wreck opened the first time and Dixie Dregs the second.
Yep. I won the tix to the FII show with Big Wreck at a Monday Night Football appearance from a local radio station, WDHA. Winning 4 tix to see your favorite band (at the time) play live is pretty sweet!
A few days after the SFAM show, I drove with my wife (girlfriend at the time) to Philly to see them at the Electric Factory. Oh, to have time and disposable income! Those were the days!
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I agree. I remember when I used to be able to go to shows all of the time.
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At my concert-going peak (before I started dating my wife), I had a few years where I was hitting 22-23 concerts a year. In the last 7 years, I've been to about 20 in total. It's amazing what a mortgage, kid and brief unemployment will do.
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I remember the Trade Winds shows. Big Wreck opened the first time and Dixie Dregs the second.
As soon as we saw Big Wreck, our band (which had transitioned to covers by that time) started playing "The Oaf" and more frequently "That Song."
We did the typical bar band songs and made sure the drunk girls had fun dancing in the second and third sets, but when we started at 11pm, we would stick in songs we liked. After playing "That Song" so many times, people started thinking we wrote it :-) ( we always corrected them).
We found ways to stick some musicality in otherwise simple songs. At the end of "Video Killed the Radio Star," we sequed into the ending of Spirit of Radio and that one dude would yell "Yeah, Rush!" but it would only last for 30 seconds :-)
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I remember the Trade Winds shows. Big Wreck opened the first time and Dixie Dregs the second.
As soon as we saw Big Wreck, our band (which had transitioned to covers by that time) started playing "The Oaf" and more frequently "That Song."
We did the typical bar band songs and made sure the drunk girls had fun dancing in the second and third sets, but when we started at 11pm, we would stick in songs we liked. After playing "That Song" so many times, people started thinking we wrote it :-) ( we always corrected them).
We found ways to stick some musicality in otherwise simple songs. At the end of "Video Killed the Radio Star," we sequed into the ending of Spirit of Radio and that one dude would yell "Yeah, Rush!" but it would only last for 30 seconds :-)
Big Wreck is a great band. Their last two albums after reforming the band have been awesome and they have another record coming out in like a month I think.
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Does anyone recall DT playing at CPI in the Hamptons during that tour? I remember seeing them with James Young from Styx opening.
I miss CPI. I saw Better Than Ezra there the same day I was in the hospital with a Kidney Stone!!
I also once saw Slaughter / Warrant / Vince Neil there and Vince was so drunk he kept pouring beer over the head of his guitar player until his guitar rig shorted out. Everyone was booing mercilessly. To try to win the crowd back he yelled out "yeah? well . . . I'm back in Motley Crue!!! - (this was right before his re-joining was announced). No luck. More booing! So he just walked off the stage after two or so songs.
A bunch roadies and guys from Slaughter came out and just jammed some cool tunes. Jani Lane was probably too drunk to walk. I had a fun discussion with Mark Slaughter after the show about the difficulty of touring with such raging alcoholics :-)
ahhh memories . . . .
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At my concert-going peak (before I started dating my wife), I had a few years where I was hitting 22-23 concerts a year. In the last 7 years, I've been to about 20 in total. It's amazing what a mortgage, kid and brief unemployment will do.
I hear that. I had passed up so many shows for various reasons.
Does anyone recall DT playing at CPI in the Hamptons during that tour? I remember seeing them with James Young from Styx opening.
ahhh memories . . . .
They only played CPI once and it was during the Awake tour.
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They played a place in Plainview on the fii tour, tony. Could that be the one? I was pissed because there was no marketing of that show. I found out about it 3 days after the gig. :-\
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
That's awesome. I wish I was a fan back in those days to see DT play in such close venues (also Birch Hill).
For being such a little shit hole, the Birch Hill was a pretty awesome place to see shows. You couldn't go more than 5 mph on the gravel road that led into the complex without tearing up your car. I was lucky enough to DT there three times. I also got to see Anthrax, Biohazard, Living Colour, Brother Cane and Sevendust there.
I hated Birch Hell. Saw Dream Theater ever time they played there though (Living Colour too.)
It still amazes me how much they overpacked that place. Very lucky there were no major incidents.
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
That's awesome. I wish I was a fan back in those days to see DT play in such close venues (also Birch Hill).
For being such a little shit hole, the Birch Hill was a pretty awesome place to see shows. You couldn't go more than 5 mph on the gravel road that led into the complex without tearing up your car. I was lucky enough to DT there three times. I also got to see Anthrax, Biohazard, Living Colour, Brother Cane and Sevendust there.
I hated Birch Hell. Saw Dream Theater ever time they played there though (Living Colour too.)
It still amazes me how much they overpacked that place. Very lucky there were no major incidents.
I hated going there. You think with all that money the place brought in they would have paved a decent road leading up to the club. The bouncers were always assholes, too.
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
That's awesome. I wish I was a fan back in those days to see DT play in such close venues (also Birch Hill).
For being such a little shit hole, the Birch Hill was a pretty awesome place to see shows. You couldn't go more than 5 mph on the gravel road that led into the complex without tearing up your car. I was lucky enough to DT there three times. I also got to see Anthrax, Biohazard, Living Colour, Brother Cane and Sevendust there.
I hated Birch Hell. Saw Dream Theater ever time they played there though (Living Colour too.)
It still amazes me how much they overpacked that place. Very lucky there were no major incidents.
I hated going there. You think with all that money the place brought in they would have paved a decent road leading up to the club. The bouncers were always assholes, too.
I remember chilling outside during a Misfits show since it sold out and my friend and I didnt have tickets but our other friends did. So as kids we just chilled outside until the show ended so our parents could pick us all up. But we watched sooo many people get thrown out very violently :lol I just have a lot of good memories from high school going there.
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They played a place in Plainview on the fii tour, tony. Could that be the one? I was pissed because there was no marketing of that show. I found out about it 3 days after the gig. :-\
That was a place called the Vanderbilt. I was at that show, but I remember it being in 1999. That might be the last DT show I went to. I also saw Nine Days and SR-71 there.
I have to shout out Nine Days because not only are they a Long Island band (with a great debut album) but they were also a cover band with the same booking agency as my old cover band. They were called Belly Button but played as Nine Days during the week and . . .then . . . BOOM . . a huge hit :-)
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Nope, it wasnt 99. It was the fii tour for sure. So 97 or 98.
I was a big nine days fan before they got signed. I have their first two self released records. Bought em at the village pub in port jeff. That place is gone now, i believe.
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Nope, it wasnt 99. It was the fii tour for sure. So 97 or 98.
I was a big nine days fan before they got signed. I have their first two self released records. Bought em at the village pub in port jeff. That place is gone now, i believe.
Maybe I'm confusing the DT Vanderbilt show with the Ninedays one. They were so long ago. I will consult my ticket stubs when I get home!
I also saw ninedays at the Village Pub. I saw them also at a dump in Amityville and I think Irving Plaza (with SR-71, Stroke 9, and Tsar). I was always excited for Ninedays. An "Omnipop" band that made it. I really should get their other stuff. I love the first album.
The Village Pub might be where I saw "Ethyl Mertz" - the DT cover band with JP, MP and DS. That's where my profile pic was taken.
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Nope, it wasnt 99. It was the fii tour for sure. So 97 or 98.
1998. https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=380
Tony, DT didn't do any shows in the US in 1999.
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HA! If you look up at reply #13 at this thread, I posted the correct date for the Vanderbilt show! I had access to my old ticket stubs when I made that post!
I remember the Vanderbilt, because it was wide, but not very deep.
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Going to move this to the general DT forum where it will get more views and responses, since it is more of a quest for information than specific concert discussion.
Thanks everyone. My quest for information is complete...for now.
DTR
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I saw them there on the FII and SFAM tours. Mike did an autograph signing at the Sam Ash in Edison (I think it was Edison) the morning of the SFAM show. I got John P and Jordan's signatures while waiting outside for them to let everyone in the venue.
That's awesome. I wish I was a fan back in those days to see DT play in such close venues (also Birch Hill).
For being such a little shit hole, the Birch Hill was a pretty awesome place to see shows. You couldn't go more than 5 mph on the gravel road that led into the complex without tearing up your car. I was lucky enough to DT there three times. I also got to see Anthrax, Biohazard, Living Colour, Brother Cane and Sevendust there.
I hated Birch Hell. Saw Dream Theater ever time they played there though (Living Colour too.)
It still amazes me how much they overpacked that place. Very lucky there were no major incidents.
I hated going there. You think with all that money the place brought in they would have paved a decent road leading up to the club. The bouncers were always assholes, too.
The place was a death trap. I didn't mind that road so much though. I still remember one guard who was always asshole personified.
We'd get there early (only for Dream Theater) and he'd hangout by the stage door and wait for the guys to come out for a break when they had enough of being inside setting up. This guy would always berate us for hanging there saying that we're wasting our time The band never comes out to talk with fans, sign stuff and pose for pictures. He probably just didn't like having to stand there to guard the door. He'd be saying stuff off and on for an hour then when the stage was set just before the soundcheck (during or sometimes after the sound check) most of them (sometimes not Myung obviously) would hang with us for a few minutes. I always thought the guy was on a power trip but who knows.
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As much as I hated going there, it was one of the best places to see bands that came through the area.
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This was my first DT show in Manchester UK, terrible venue in the University with really bad acoustics. Rudess Morgenstein Project were the opening act and I thought it was a couple of students from the University. I only realised different when it was announced during the show that they were doing LTE with Rudess and Jelly Jam with Morgenstein. Remember fan club fliers being handed out left right and centre and I joined straight after.
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DT - (falling into) Infinity tour 2017
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I am pretty sure Take Away My Pain was the demo version in Cincinnati at Annie's Indoor. I could be wrong. That was a long time ago! I remember waiting in line in the afternoon to get in. I think about ten other people did so too. Inside the show, one could walk right down to the front of the stage. It's unreal thinking back to that show and considering where they are now!
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The Village Pub might be where I saw "Ethyl Mertz" - the DT cover band with JP, MP and DS. That's where my profile pic was taken.
Wasn't Al Pitrelli in Ethyl Mertz, too?
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The Tradewinds in NJ? I can't believe the band played there.
I was at that show! Big Wreck opened . . . then we ended up playing "That Song" as the opening in our cover band shows for two years (and "The Oaf" a few times)
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The Village Pub might be where I saw "Ethyl Mertz" - the DT cover band with JP, MP and DS. That's where my profile pic was taken.
Wasn't Al Pitrelli in Ethyl Mertz, too?
Yeah, I remember talking to him about getting some lessons from him. Nothing came of it :-( The other guitarist in my band was one of Petrucci's former students but never pulled me aside to say "umm you are playing just about everything wrong!" :-)
I LOVED Al Pitrelli's First Widowmaker Album. Some great songs and Dee Snider is in great form on that album. Plus, Joe Franco is on Drums - shout out to the Good Rats!! R.I.P. Peppi Marchello
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I am pretty sure Take Away My Pain was the demo version in Cincinnati at Annie's Indoor. I could be wrong. That was a long time ago! I remember waiting in line in the afternoon to get in. I think about ten other people did so too. Inside the show, one could walk right down to the front of the stage. It's unreal thinking back to that show and considering where they are now!
My wife and I were at that show! It was our first DT show. Small club, tiny stage.
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I LOVED Al Pitrelli's First Widowmaker Album. Some great songs and Dee Snider is in great form on that album. Plus, Joe Franco is on Drums - shout out to the Good Rats!! R.I.P. Peppi Marchello
I love that album! I remember when the video for "Widowmaker" would be shown on Headbanger's Ball. Initially, it didn't say the name of the band. So, it took a while to figure out who the heck they were. I got to see them when they toured their 2nd album at a little place in Virginia called Jaxx. Great show. But, I remember the bass being so loud that, by the end of the show, I felt like I was gonna vomit from the vibrations.
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The first Widowmaker Album is still one of my favorite albums. I saw them twice: Once at Limelight and once at Long Island's second favorite hole in the wall - The Roxy! "Blue For You" was so good live.
It Didn't matter who was playing bass . . .the other three in that band were top notch 1) Al Pitrelli 2) Dee Snider 3) The Almighty Joe Franco!
The Second Album - "Stand By For Pain" was . . . . not so much . . .
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The first Widowmaker Album is still one of my favorite albums. I saw them twice: Once at Limelight and once at Long Island's second favorite hole in the wall - The Roxy! "Blue For You" was so good live.
It Didn't matter who was playing bass . . .the other three in that band were top notch 1) Al Pitrelli 2) Dee Snider 3) The Almighty Joe Franco!
The Second Album - "Stand By For Pain" was . . . . not so much . . .
The bass player was fine. It was just that the frequency was so darn loud, it messed with my head and body to the point where I wanted to throw up.
I agree that the first album was way better than the follow-up.
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The bass player was fine. It was just that the frequency was so darn loud, it messed with my head and body to the point where I wanted to throw up.
I agree that the first album was way better than the follow-up.
I think you misinterpreted me. I don't have the same memory of the bass being overwhelming. I was just commenting on how great the three guys in that band were that it didn't matter having a bass player who was not already a known commodity.