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Title: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: soupytwist on January 04, 2017, 08:53:59 AM
A place to confess those movie opinions you hold (and probably you alone).

- Alien 3 (the directors cut) is a better film than Alien.
- I've yet to see a Tarantino movie I like - or a Pixar movie.
- Star Trek : The Voyage Home is the second worst Star Trek movie....I even rank The Final Frontier and Nemesis higher.
- The Living Daylights is the best Bond film.
- The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.
- Inception bored the crap outta me, as did Drive.
- Ant-Man is the best Marvel Universe origin film so far.
- The 'Burb's is still Hanks best movie.
- Deep Rising should be seen as a Monster movie classic.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 04, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
I don't even know what to say to most of that.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 04, 2017, 08:59:13 AM
My controversial opinion is that this thread gives me deja vu. :biggrin:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46330
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Post by: Chino on January 04, 2017, 09:02:30 AM

Star Wars is a total snoozefest
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: soupytwist on January 04, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
My controversial opinion is that this thread gives me deja vu. :biggrin:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46330

Yeah I kind off guessed this may have been done before, oh well.  If some mod wants to delete this, or stick it in that old thread feel free.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: chknptpie on January 04, 2017, 11:57:14 AM
I didn't find The Blues Brothers funny in any way...
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Post by: orcus116 on January 04, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
I've probably said this before but Toy Story 2 and 3 are decent, but not great, movies and the ending of Toy Story 3 is one of the most blatant abuses of emotional manipulation I've seen in a movie.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
I didn't find The Blues Brothers funny in any way...

With you on this one. I totally don't 'get it' and I've never even remotely considered anything Blues Brothers funny. At all.
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Post by: ReaperKK on January 05, 2017, 06:30:33 AM
I didn't find The Blues Brothers funny in any way...

With you on this one. I totally don't 'get it' and I've never even remotely considered anything Blues Brothers funny. At all.

I didn't think it was funny at all either. I'm younger though so that may be it .
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
I'm 38 and i've still never seen it. But i've also never seen Gone With The Wind or It's A Wonderful Life or Citizen Kane or that film where the main character is dead in a pool at the

start and he narrates the whole film...something boulevard ?? Help me out :p
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 05, 2017, 09:52:29 AM
Citizen Kane is definitely worth watching if you are a cinephile or an admirer of film as a medium.  Not too sure I would say that about those others, even Gone With The Wind.
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Post by: LudwigVan on January 05, 2017, 10:14:49 AM
I'm 38 and i've still never seen it. But i've also never seen Gone With The Wind or It's A Wonderful Life or Citizen Kane or that film where the main character is dead in a pool at the

start and he narrates the whole film...something boulevard ?? Help me out :p

Sunset Boulevard
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
I'm 38 and i've still never seen it. But i've also never seen Gone With The Wind or It's A Wonderful Life or Citizen Kane or that film where the main character is dead in a pool at the

start and he narrates the whole film...something boulevard ?? Help me out :p

Sunset Boulevard

Thanks. I googled it and found it magically by typing in lead character dead in pool :lol
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Post by: faizoff on January 05, 2017, 10:28:17 AM
I had the impression that Gone with the wind was a out and out romance movie but it was a lot more than that and it was very enjoyable. I saw it a couple of years ago and thought it lived to its classic status.

I think if I had to go against popular opinion, I did not enjoy Lost in Translation nor did I like Winter's Bone. I enjoy most artsy movies but these two did nothing for me. Maybe I need to give them another shot.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 10:30:50 AM
I'm not against indie films per se.  Just the awfully twee ones where all the characters are kooky and do weird things.

Like that movie Jeff Who Lives At Home. There's one scene where two people sit down to have a heart-to-heart...in the bath... Because Indie??

But I didn't enjoy Lost In Translation either.

And god knows there's nothing noteworthy coming out of Hollywood anymore.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 05, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
I didn't find The Blues Brothers funny in any way...

With you on this one. I totally don't 'get it' and I've never even remotely considered anything Blues Brothers funny. At all.

I'm with you both on this one.  I mean, it's a solid watch, but that's about it.

Same for Slap Shot.  When I finally saw that, I couldn't believe how ordinary it was.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Progmetty on January 05, 2017, 09:53:12 PM
- The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.

Fuck. Yes :lol

I've tried to watch Lord of The Rings but I get too bored within the first 30 minutes of the first movie. I know it's amazing but I don't know why I can't get into it.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 01:14:16 AM
I really don't like them either.

I only saw The Hobbit as I could see it for free at the time and wanted to see what HFR was like ( I didn't mind it...).

Then I saw the next 2 just to finish the story but I've no intention to see any of them again.

Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: soupytwist on January 06, 2017, 02:00:23 AM
I fucking love Keanu Reeves.

I know he's not a great actor, I know several of his films aren't of a high standard.   But I don't care - he's one of my favourite actors.  I'm off an age where Keanu's career was starting just about when I was old enough to be interested in movies, so he's kind of been a constant for me and every few years he'll be in something great (Bill & Ted's, Idaho, Point Break, Speed, Matrix, Scanner Darkly, John Wick etc...) - also for a movie star he seems like a really grounded and nice guy.

And then theres the fact he doesn't seem to age...
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2017, 03:01:51 AM
I feel the same with Arnie. He's never been a good actor, but he has so much presence and charisma on screen, that I just enjoy everything I see him in. And as a general fan of anything '80s, Arnie is a movie icon.
I also get a kick out of any role where we're supposed to believe he's just an every day dude with a regular job. It's so absurd that it's amusing. :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on January 06, 2017, 03:17:51 AM
Speaking of Keanu, I think my most controversial movie opinion is that I love the Matrix sequels.
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Post by: Lepprador on January 06, 2017, 05:30:23 AM
I like the Star Wars prequels. I consider the first 30 minutes of Attack Of The Clones to be perfect Science-Fiction. I'm sad, that George Lucas won't make any more Star Wars movies or no movies at all.

It's the same with music. I' rather have an average new album of my favorite band than an album by a band trying to sound like my favorite band. 
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Post by: ReaperKK on January 06, 2017, 05:58:52 AM
- The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.

Fuck. Yes :lol

I've tried to watch Lord of The Rings but I get too bored within the first 30 minutes of the first movie. I know it's amazing but I don't know why I can't get into it.

I saw the Indy films so long ago that i barely remember them so I'm not sure if The Mummy ranks higher however The Mummy is one of the only movies from my childhood that is as fun to watch as it was when I first saw it. Not many movies of that genre hold up from the late nineties IMO but The Mummy does.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 06, 2017, 06:07:58 AM
- The 'Burb's is still Hanks best movie.

YES! I thought I was the only one, but I will add that I will only include the Hanks' comedies. I think I know every line!!! That's a confession. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: soupytwist on January 06, 2017, 06:21:28 AM
- The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.

Fuck. Yes :lol

I've tried to watch Lord of The Rings but I get too bored within the first 30 minutes of the first movie. I know it's amazing but I don't know why I can't get into it.

I saw the Indy films so long ago that i barely remember them so I'm not sure if The Mummy ranks higher however The Mummy is one of the only movies from my childhood that is as fun to watch as it was when I first saw it. Not many movies of that genre hold up from the late nineties IMO but The Mummy does.

The Mummy is such a fun film, and yeah it holds up really well.  I will add though that Indy Jones and the Crystal Skullfuck (the worst Indy film) is better than all the Mummy sequels + Scorpion King.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Logain Ablar on January 06, 2017, 07:24:50 AM
every few years he'll be in something great (Bill & Ted's, Idaho, Point Break, Speed, Matrix, Scanner Darkly, John Wick etc...) - also for a movie star he seems like a really grounded and nice guy.

Point Break is one of my favourites. It's one of those movies that brings you right back to a certain time in your life.

You're right that Keanu seems like a decent guy. Did you see the video of him giving up his seat on the subway? Pretty cool thing to do. https://youtu.be/dbYFGdDbkQw
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
A place to confess those movie opinions you hold (and probably you alone).

- Alien 3 (the directors cut) is a better film than Alien.
- I've yet to see a Tarantino movie I like - or a Pixar movie.
- Star Trek : The Voyage Home is the second worst Star Trek movie....I even rank The Final Frontier and Nemesis higher.
- The Living Daylights is the best Bond film.
- The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.
- Inception bored the crap outta me, as did Drive.
- Ant-Man is the best Marvel Universe origin film so far.
- The 'Burb's is still Hanks best movie.
- Deep Rising should be seen as a Monster movie classic.

You're not supposed to make them up btw....
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: faizoff on January 06, 2017, 11:01:43 AM
Speaking of Keanu, I think my most controversial movie opinion is that I love the Matrix sequels.
Same here, I love them and I can still enjoy watching them with all their flaws.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Prog Snob on January 06, 2017, 11:19:00 AM
A place to confess those movie opinions you hold (and probably you alone).

1) Alien 3 (the directors cut) is a better film than Alien.
2) I've yet to see a Tarantino movie I like - or a Pixar movie.
3) Star Trek : The Voyage Home is the second worst Star Trek movie....I even rank The Final Frontier and Nemesis higher.
4) The Living Daylights is the best Bond film.
5) The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.
6) Inception bored the crap outta me, as did Drive.
7) Ant-Man is the best Marvel Universe origin film so far.
8) The 'Burb's is still Hanks best movie.
9) Deep Rising should be seen as a Monster movie classic.

Let's see.

1) I don't like any of the Alien movies. Boooooooring
2) Disagree with you completely
3) See number 1
4) Never saw it.
5) Except Last Crusade
6) Never saw Drive
7) Just no. The whole premise of Ant Man is just ridiculous. Next we'll have Bacteria Boy, right?
8) I do love that movie and will say it's his best comedy.
9) Another boring movie.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 11:20:16 AM
Speaking of Keanu, I think my most controversial movie opinion is that I love the Matrix sequels.
Same here, I love them and I can still enjoy watching them with all their flaws.

I can watch them and enjoy them. But they are 100% completely superfluous and damage the original movie.
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Post by: Sacul on January 06, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
Reservoir Dogs, Inglorious Bastards, and Jackie Brown are Tarantino's worst movies.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
They're not the best. Inglorious especially is way too long.
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Post by: Sacul on January 06, 2017, 12:01:26 PM
And some scenes are way too cringe.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 03:38:16 PM
Django is probably the best i've seen. But after King Schultz dies - so does the movie.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 06, 2017, 04:43:55 PM
I love Begins and Rises, but I don't like the Dark knight

I think its too long and there's too much stuff they tried to jam into one film. By the time we get to the boats, I am ready for it to be over, but it keeps going. Two face was underutilized and Dent could have been so much more fascinating if we saw an inner conflict. I can't take Eric Roberts seriously as a Mobster.

I also think it takes itself way too seriously and gets preachy in parts as well. They leave joker in an interrogation room not handcuffed or restrained at all, with one guy in the room with him for whatever reason. The script says the joker needs to escape by taking this guy hostage, so therefore, he is in the room with him.

Joker was great though, despite having lots of stuff conveniently happen for him.  I also like hearing Micheal Caine say Tangerine. So it does have its moments.

And I know a lot of people love Dark Knight and I respect that. But that was my confession.
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Post by: King Postwhore on January 06, 2017, 05:17:38 PM
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Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: pogoowner on January 06, 2017, 08:29:07 PM
I love Begins and Rises, but I don't like the Dark knight

I think its too long and there's too much stuff they tried to jam into one film. By the time we get to the boats, I am ready for it to be over, but it keeps going. Two face was underutilized and Dent could have been so much more fascinating if we saw an inner conflict. I can't take Eric Roberts seriously as a Mobster.

I also think it takes itself way too seriously and gets preachy in parts as well. They leave joker in an interrogation room not handcuffed or restrained at all, with one guy in the room with him for whatever reason. The script says the joker needs to escape by taking this guy hostage, so therefore, he is in the room with him.

Joker was great though, despite having lots of stuff conveniently happen for him.  I also like hearing Micheal Caine say Tangerine. So it does have its moments.

And I know a lot of people love Dark Knight and I respect that. But that was my confession.
Pretty sure I said it in the last thread like this, but Batman Begins is the best of the three for me, easily.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Adami on January 06, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
As a film, I think Batman Begins is the best of them. As far as writing, directing, structure, plot, etc.

I think Dark Knight gets a lot of free pass because of Ledger's Joker. Dude was.....just beyond incredible. He more than deserved his Oscar, and he more than deserves all of the praise he gets. I'm a big Heath Ledger fan, and I have seen Dark Knight a ton of times, but I still cannot see Heath Ledger on that screen, I only see Joker. It's insane.

That said, the movie is good, but still has a good amount of problems. It does get preachy, it is almost two movies put together, with all of the Two-Face stuff being smashed into a Joker movie, doing a major disservice to Two-Face. Also the whole sonar...computer spies....whatever thing they had going on where Batman could tap into everyone's phones was just bad. It was preachy, it was sloppy, it was illogical, and just completely unnecessary. I mean, just remove the entire concept from the movie and it's already a lot better. Keep Harvey as Harvey and make him Two-Face either at the very very end or in the next movie and you've got a better movie.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Progmetty on January 06, 2017, 09:03:33 PM
- The Mummy (1999) is better than all 3 Indy Jones sequels.

Fuck. Yes :lol

I've tried to watch Lord of The Rings but I get too bored within the first 30 minutes of the first movie. I know it's amazing but I don't know why I can't get into it.

I saw the Indy films so long ago that i barely remember them so I'm not sure if The Mummy ranks higher however The Mummy is one of the only movies from my childhood that is as fun to watch as it was when I first saw it. Not many movies of that genre hold up from the late nineties IMO but The Mummy does.

The Mummy is such a fun film, and yeah it holds up really well.  I will add though that Indy Jones and the Crystal Skullfuck (the worst Indy film) is better than all the Mummy sequels + Scorpion King.

So bummed out there's a new Mummy movie without Brendan Fraser, he really was one of the best things about that movie and The Mummy Returns.
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Post by: Mosh on January 06, 2017, 10:08:54 PM
Batman Begins is the one I like more every time I watch it. My opinion on Dark Knight stays pretty much constant. I like Rising less every time I see it. I can't believe I thought it was just as good as TDK at the theater.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 03:03:24 AM
I love Begins and Rises, but I don't like the Dark knight

I think its too long and there's too much stuff they tried to jam into one film. By the time we get to the boats, I am ready for it to be over, but it keeps going. Two face was underutilized and Dent could have been so much more fascinating if we saw an inner conflict.

All this.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on January 07, 2017, 04:02:10 AM
I like all three but Begins is my favorite as well.
I mentioned it earlier in another thread, I don't like Whiplash, if that's controversial and looking at the IMDb I'd say it is.
The Bourne Identity was so boring to me that I never bothered watching sequels.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 08:37:25 AM
I was hoping that Half In The Bag would do a Whiplash episode and they'd point out all the pros and cons but they gave it a mere mention in an end of year wrap up and they said they loved it.

I liked the acting. JK Simmons was amazing. But It didn't keep me engaged and I only finished it for the sake of it and to see how it ended.
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Post by: orcus116 on January 07, 2017, 09:46:04 AM
Watched Whiplash again last night. What an outstanding movie.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
Watched Whiplash again last night. What an outstanding movie.

I only enjoyed the acting. Why did you enjoy it ? not being an arse - genuinely curious.
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Post by: orcus116 on January 07, 2017, 09:55:46 AM
I won't lie, my experience in a jazz band helped draw me into the story more but everything was just so well executed. Some small things I can think of that add to it are no wasted scenes, great pacing, perfect runtime.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 09:57:13 AM
It did zip along but I kept looking at the clock because I wan't engaged. I was just watching it to get through it.

I guess I wanted a bigger payoff at the end.
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Post by: Zantera on January 07, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
Watched Whiplash again last night. What an outstanding movie.

It's up there among my all time favorite movies.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 10:08:06 AM
I don't think his reason of " i was just trying to inspire the next big thing " was good enough.
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Post by: orcus116 on January 07, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
Well his dad had completely given up on him which was very evident at the end. In fact the only person who believed in him was Fletcher and all he wanted to do was prove Fletcher wrong (or right if you look at it another way).
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 10:20:12 AM
I meant Fletcher's explanation of being such a monster was " I was trying to inspire greatness ". But that didn't seem good enough.

One kid died and another testified against him but apart from just losing his job - nothing really happens to him.
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Post by: faizoff on January 07, 2017, 12:40:04 PM
Watched Whiplash again last night. What an outstanding movie.
I'm going to watch it again soon sometime. I love that movie.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 12:47:47 PM
I think the part I did like was Fletcher talking casually to Andrew before the audition and you know he's pretending.

Then the absolute fury that rises later.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 07, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
One I've mentioned before, Avatar is a terrible movie. I even tried watching it and tried to enjoy it but I think the whole idea of it was ridiculous. The only blue people worth watching are called Smurfs.  ;)
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
I loved Avatar but I am not in the least excited for the sequels. And i'm also a massive Jim Cameron fan.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 07, 2017, 02:26:32 PM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 07, 2017, 05:08:52 PM
Cameron may very well be my favorite director, but I found Avatar very meh as well. Saw it one single time and that was in the theater. A "cool" experience for sure, but I never felt any desire to re-watch, in contrast to something like Terminator which I've seen probably 30 times and still enjoy going back to.
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Post by: lordxizor on January 07, 2017, 05:44:07 PM
I loved Avatar but I am not in the least excited for the sequels.

I agree with this. I rewatched Avatar last year at one point and I still enjoyed it, but the novelty of it being the first 3D movie to really do a great job and take off will not be there for the sequels. They'll still do fine financially...heck I'll probably still see the first one at least in the theater on $5 Tuesday, but I'm not rushing out for opening night or anything.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on January 07, 2017, 09:03:24 PM
Edit: Misread the post I replied to.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2017, 01:41:54 AM
I am excited for the Avatar sequels, mainly because while I really like the first one for being one of the best theater experiences I've ever had, it's not a great movie at it's core. I mean, it's completely fine, but I almost feel as if the story wasn't even the point of the movie. With the sequels it sounds like they can really get into some more original and overall better stories, give that type of thing more focus and thought, which I'm very excited for.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 07:59:22 AM
I loved Avatar but I am not in the least excited for the sequels.

I agree with this. I rewatched Avatar last year at one point and I still enjoyed it, but the novelty of it being the first 3D movie to really do a great job and take off will not be there for the sequels. They'll still do fine financially...heck I'll probably still see the first one at least in the theater on $5 Tuesday, but I'm not rushing out for opening night or anything.


I will go see the 2nd one to see if there's anything new in this one and if it improves on the first in any way. Cameron is supposed to be doing this one in 60 FPS so it''ll be even faster looking than The

Hobbit. I wasn't blown away by 48FPS. But if anyone can do it right - it's Jim Cameron - say what you want about his films - but he is at least a visual perfectionist.

He doesn't do close up shaky cam like Michael Bay - the ariel stuff was my fave part of Avatar. Because you could see exactly what was going on. And the scenes were

choreographed and not just shake the camera around to imply exciting action.


Also - like 6 people were bought on to write the sequels so it seems he is focussing on plot a lot more this time around.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: orcus116 on January 08, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Since we're on Avatar, etc. I guess my controversial statement is that I thought the 3D was pedestrian at best and barely noticeable outside of one of two scenes I can remember. Not impressive or groundbreaking in any way which is what Cameron was touting.
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Post by: Zantera on January 08, 2017, 09:03:17 AM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.

What about Aliens?
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 09:13:24 AM
Since we're on Avatar, etc. I guess my controversial statement is that I thought the 3D was pedestrian at best and barely noticeable outside of one of two scenes I can remember. Not impressive or groundbreaking in any way which is what Cameron was touting.


imo - 3D should be like CG. You don't even notice it unless it's really bad. I hate it because it's a gimmick but if it was filmed in 3D and gives the scene some depth and isn't just to poke stuff at you

then it's much better. Prometheus and Avatar were the two best films I saw in 3D. Everything else was just a pop up book.
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Post by: King Postwhore on January 08, 2017, 09:14:54 AM
Just the opposite.   Great 3D like the Michael Jackson 3D at Disney should blow you away.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2017, 09:15:31 AM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.

What about Aliens?

What about it?
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 09:17:40 AM
@King That's not a film. It's different if it's a show.

When i go and see the latest Star Trek movie - I'm not going to pay more for a lessened experience. It's darker, blurrier, the 3D looks flat...

I just want to sit and watch The Film in 2D with no gimmicks. As it was intended.

And piss off 4DX. Seats that move to the film ? Bet that costs a pretty penny too.

Imagine shaking, moving seats in the theatre watching a production of Waiting For Godot. Pointless.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: King Postwhore on January 08, 2017, 09:19:44 AM
That should be the standard. Most of the time the 3d leaves me lacking.   Movie or not that is what I want to see.  Of not I don't care for 3d.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Zook on January 08, 2017, 09:50:21 AM
I still haven't seen Avatar nor do I have any desire to.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Zantera on January 08, 2017, 11:45:07 AM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.

What about Aliens?

What about it?

You didn't mention it in Cameron's good or bad films so was just curious if you forgot it or hadn't seen it
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2017, 02:08:11 PM
Out of all the movies I saw in 3D before I stopped and only went to 2D movies, there were only two that I felt actually benefitted from the concept and made it a better experience. Those two are Avatar and Gravity.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 08, 2017, 05:46:40 PM
A lot of people don't like Quantum of Solace, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Yes the villain is lame and yes the story is pretty much non-existant, but Its action is hard hitting and aggressive and the pace never feels like it drags. I just find it to be a fun watch every now and again.

I definitely like it better than SPECTRE which i thought was pretty weak, with a criminally underutilized christoph waltz and very meh action scenes.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 05:49:25 PM
It's the shortest Bond movie but feels like the longest.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: pogoowner on January 08, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
A lot of people don't like Quantum of Solace, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Yes the villain is lame and yes the story is pretty much non-existant, but Its action is hard hitting and aggressive and the pace never feels like it drags. I just find it to be a fun watch every now and again.

I definitely like it better than SPECTRE which i thought was pretty weak, with a criminally underutilized christoph waltz and very meh action scenes.
I think the action sequences are horrible in Quantum of Solace. All those super quick cuts where you see things for like half a second and can't tell what's going on.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Chino on January 10, 2017, 06:01:52 AM
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ending was one of the biggest let downs ever.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 10, 2017, 06:09:17 AM
A lot of people don't like Quantum of Solace, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Yes the villain is lame and yes the story is pretty much non-existant, but Its action is hard hitting and aggressive and the pace never feels like it drags. I just find it to be a fun watch every now and again.

I definitely like it better than SPECTRE which i thought was pretty weak, with a criminally underutilized christoph waltz and very meh action scenes.
I think the action sequences are horrible in Quantum of Solace. All those super quick cuts where you see things for like half a second and can't tell what's going on.


Yep same director as World War Z - which had the same problem. A fight in a dark stairwell with only a flare as lighting and shaky cam = WTF is going on ?!

So obviously " well we haven't choreographed this fight scene or car chase - just drive around and we'll do tight close ups and shake the camera instead "

Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: BlackInk on January 10, 2017, 06:16:43 AM
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ending was one of the biggest let downs ever.

I love that movie.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Chino on January 10, 2017, 06:20:54 AM
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ending was one of the biggest let downs ever.

I love that movie.

It wasn't bad until the very end. Benjamin is born a baby-sized old man. He should have died an old man-sized baby. I eagerly waited in anticipation for like two hours to see a 6ft tall baby take his last breath, and instead, he shrinks back down to vagina size.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 10, 2017, 06:49:35 AM
Life is the wrong way around.

Youth should be a reward for a long life. Instead you get all the fun stuff first then it just gets shitter and shitter.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 11, 2017, 10:17:14 PM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.

What about Aliens?
Easily his best movie. I know you didn't ask me but I don't care.

A lot of people don't like Quantum of Solace, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Yes the villain is lame and yes the story is pretty much non-existant, but Its action is hard hitting and aggressive and the pace never feels like it drags. I just find it to be a fun watch every now and again.

I definitely like it better than SPECTRE which i thought was pretty weak, with a criminally underutilized christoph waltz and very meh action scenes.
Yeah, I like Quantum, even if I think it's not great and that the action is just dizzyingly awful at times. I like how it directly followed up on the events of Casino, while expanding on the story and not doing anything too over-the-top and cheesy that is so typical of Bond. It almost seemed as if it was going to usher in a new style of Bond movies, but then Skyfall cam out and killed the momentum by going back to its roots (even if Skyfall may have been the better movie).

Spectre, unfortunately, was just godawful boring though. What an absolute waste of talent that was.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2017, 04:25:53 AM
Out of all the movies I saw in 3D before I stopped and only went to 2D movies, there were only two that I felt actually benefitted from the concept and made it a better experience. Those two are Avatar and Gravity.

I didn't see Gravity, but replace it with Hugo and you have my same opinion. I actually place Hugo at 1st and Avatar at 2nd (Avatar was my 3D debut at the cinema).
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 12, 2017, 04:27:13 AM
Avatar & Prometheus to me.

Prometheus worked well. Especially the big map hologram scene.

I actually felt like I was inside it when it opened up.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 12, 2017, 04:51:41 AM
Out of all the movies I saw in 3D before I stopped and only went to 2D movies, there were only two that I felt actually benefitted from the concept and made it a better experience. Those two are Avatar and Gravity.

I didn't see Gravity, but replace it with Hugo and you have my same opinion. I actually place Hugo at 1st and Avatar at 2nd (Avatar was my 3D debut at the cinema).

I'm not big on 3D movies either, however, I did watch X-men Apocalypse in virtual reality(3D version), and it was pretty F%$$@n cool! :o
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Chino on January 12, 2017, 06:09:47 AM
Out of all the movies I saw in 3D before I stopped and only went to 2D movies, there were only two that I felt actually benefitted from the concept and made it a better experience. Those two are Avatar and Gravity.

I didn't see Gravity, but replace it with Hugo and you have my same opinion. I actually place Hugo at 1st and Avatar at 2nd (Avatar was my 3D debut at the cinema).

I'm not big on 3D movies either, however, I did watch X-men Apocalypse in virtual reality(3D version), and it was pretty F%$$@n cool! :o

Hugo was really good in 3D, and Life of Pi, visually, was every bit as good as Avatar. The reason why Life of Pi and Avatar looked so good was because every frame of those movies was filmed with 3D in mind. 3D turns to shit when studios film a regular movie and then convert it to 3D in post production. Though, I think Cameron did a phenomenal job converting Titanic to 3D for the 100 year anniversary re release to the tune of $18M.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 12, 2017, 08:26:38 AM
Avatar definitely had great 3D IMO.  The tech/effects were the main reason to see the film, and will be pretty much the only reason I see the sequels.

I've seen a lot of other films in 3D since then, but it didn't really help many of them, and seeing them in 2D would have been fine.

However, in November I saw Doctor Strange in IMAX 3D, and that shit was crazy.  It wouldn't have been quite as effective in 2D IMO.  That was a trip.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Prog Snob on January 13, 2017, 05:58:05 AM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.

What about Aliens?

What about it?

You didn't mention it in Cameron's good or bad films so was just curious if you forgot it or hadn't seen it

It IS forgettable but I didn't forget it.  ;)
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Chino on January 13, 2017, 06:29:58 AM
Avatar definitely had great 3D IMO.  The tech/effects were the main reason to see the film, and will be pretty much the only reason I see the sequels.


I'm really hoping that this doesn't end up being the case for the franchise as a whole. The effects and the simplicity of the first film were a great way to introduce the audience to Pandora, the Na'vi as a culture, and their conflict with humans, but I'm hoping the story will hold it's own going forward. I'd like the effects to become the secondary reason to see it and the story being captivating enough to get butts in the seats. Cameron's got four more films to build a pretty epic story arc, and the fact that they have all already been written and will be filmed as one monstrous piece, it should make for great continuity throughout. I'm confident he will deliver.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Zook on January 13, 2017, 10:25:45 AM
I never really made a big deal about Cameron. True Lies was great and I liked Titanic because I'm a fan of disaster movies, but I never cared much for the Terminator movies.

What about Aliens?

What about it?

You didn't mention it in Cameron's good or bad films so was just curious if you forgot it or hadn't seen it

It IS forgettable but I didn't forget it.  ;)

You are not worthy of your sig and avatar.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Prog Snob on January 13, 2017, 10:32:55 AM
 :lol   

Moving along...
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Zantera on January 13, 2017, 11:58:18 AM
Is it controversial if your favorite Indiana Jones movie is Temple of Doom? I really enjoy all 3 movies in the original trilogy. Raiders has the most classic moments and Last Crusade was such a strong ending (until it wasn't an ending anymore) but Temple of Doom was just so weird and I enjoyed a lot of those darker, more bizarre elements of it. Got no problems with anyone having Raiders or Crusade as their favorite though.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: pogoowner on January 13, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Is it controversial if your favorite Indiana Jones movie is Temple of Doom? I really enjoy all 3 movies in the original trilogy. Raiders has the most classic moments and Last Crusade was such a strong ending (until it wasn't an ending anymore) but Temple of Doom was just so weird and I enjoyed a lot of those darker, more bizarre elements of it. Got no problems with anyone having Raiders or Crusade as their favorite though.
Raiders is the best, in my opinion, and I think that's the general consensus. Temple of Doom is just so campy in comparison.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Sacul on January 13, 2017, 01:21:45 PM
Psycho it's a boring, sometimes even dumb and over-the-top dramatic movie. And hasn't aged well at all.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: BlackInk on January 14, 2017, 01:38:35 AM
Is it controversial if your favorite Indiana Jones movie is Temple of Doom? I really enjoy all 3 movies in the original trilogy. Raiders has the most classic moments and Last Crusade was such a strong ending (until it wasn't an ending anymore) but Temple of Doom was just so weird and I enjoyed a lot of those darker, more bizarre elements of it. Got no problems with anyone having Raiders or Crusade as their favorite though.

While the other two are generally regarded as better, I wouldn't say that liking Temple of Doom the most is very controversial. I mean, technically maybe, but it's not like people would go "WHAT, ARE YOU CRAZY". It's still a well enjoyed movie with some of the most classic moments in all the Indy films.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 14, 2017, 03:53:23 AM
Which is the second one? Because I remember that being the weakest of the three (never saw Crystal Skull). Still a lot of classic moments, but the side characters were really annoying.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 04:01:06 AM
Temple is 2nd.

Lasht Crushade is Third.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Logain Ablar on January 14, 2017, 05:31:54 AM
Which is the second one? Because I remember that being the weakest of the three (never saw Crystal Skull). Still a lot of classic moments, but the side characters were really annoying.

Keep it that way..  :biggrin:

I didn't mind Short Round (aka Data from The Goonies), but Willie Scott was pretty annoying.

Still, I don't think it's controversial to like ToD the best out of all the Indiana Jones movies - just unusual, perhaps. Growing up I didn't really think of it as much better or worse than the other two. There's just a lot of dark stuff going on with the Kali cult and all, that stopped it from being my favourite.

It still has some real classic moments, like the banquet scene - "Chilled monkey brains"  :lol
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: orcus116 on January 14, 2017, 06:39:20 AM
Short Round is the Boba Fett of Indiana Jones. Minor character beloved as an underground cool thing for no other reason than to make people feel like they're in some secret club for liking them and "knowing they're actually the best character".
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 06:41:36 AM
:lol

Like people who argue that The Final Frontier is "The Best Trek Movie".
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: pogoowner on January 14, 2017, 10:29:51 AM
Short Round is the Boba Fett of Indiana Jones. Minor character beloved as an underground cool thing for no other reason than to make people feel like they're in some secret club for liking them and "knowing they're actually the best character".
Short Round is fine. Willie Scott is annoying as all hell, though.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2017, 12:42:24 PM
Is it controversial to say that I absolutely hated Jared Leto's Joker?

The most common criticism I've seen has been "He was good, but didn't get enough to get fleshed out" and I have to say that I hated everything about his character, and being fleshed out wouldn't have made a bit of difference.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 12:47:19 PM
He may as well have had " I'm a deranged guy " tattooed on his head.

Ledger's Joker is amazing and you know NOTHING about his backstory.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2017, 12:49:55 PM
I actually had an idea that would have drastically improved his character.

It would have been cool if he wasn't actually the Joker. If the real Joker was either dead or in jail and he was a completely deranged fan who was trying to keep up his legacy. That way he's just a crazy idiot and not actually the Joker, and his over the top "LOOK I'M THE JOKER" stuff would make a bit more sense. You could even include a developing story of him trying to gain the attention and approval of Joker, only for the Joker to completely disregard and ignore him, leading to him turning on Joker and a rivalry between them.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 01:55:06 PM
JOKER V JOKER
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Post by: Adami on January 15, 2017, 01:57:29 PM
JOKER V JOKER

It'd get a higher score than BvS  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: TioJorge on January 16, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
I think that Scarface is pretty typical, mediocre and all around not too good.

I never got the immense love for it and seemingly huge cultural, social impact it had.

I mean...I do, cause guns, money, drugs = super great time bro, but beyond that... ::)
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 10:54:37 AM
Y Tu Mama Tambien is one of the shittest films i've ever sat through.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Logain Ablar on January 16, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
Since this is the confession thread:

A couple of years ago I tried to watch The Godfather (first one), having heard so much about it, and it being a classic and all.

I turned it off half way through - couldn't finish it. Just couldn't get into it at all, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2017, 11:58:52 AM
I never saw any of those movies, I was planning to. Someday.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: ReaperKK on January 16, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
I never saw any of those movies, I was planning to. Someday.

This. Maybe when I have a flight somewhere I can start the movie.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 16, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
The Godfather is my favorite movie, but I can see why people would have getting in to it. I guess it can be considered very slow, but I personally find it fascinating beyond words.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
One time I watched Godfather . Godfather II the next day. Godfather III on the next day but was so bored I turned it off.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Sacul on January 16, 2017, 05:36:10 PM
I just thought it was predictable and wandered most of the time :P
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Prog Snob on January 16, 2017, 07:28:25 PM
I just thought it was predictable and wandered most of the time :P

Maybe it's predictable by today's standards, but not in 1972 when it was released, and not in 1969 when the book was released.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 16, 2017, 08:47:32 PM
Some things seem cliche and predictable because everything afterwards was so heavily inspired by it. Context can be important to fully appreciating something.

I only speak generally, as I've never seen a Godfather movie. That genre/style doesn't appeal to me at all.
Title: Re: Controversial movie opinions - the confession thread.
Post by: Prog Snob on January 16, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Some things seem cliche and predictable because everything afterwards was so heavily inspired by it. Context can be important to fully appreciating something.


I concur.

It reminds me of some of the criticism Lord of the Rings received when it came out. Most of it alluding to the fact that those types of fantasy movies are predictable and uninspired. It's ironic because I guess most people forgot the books were written up to the late 1940s and inspired just about all of the fantasy that has come out since then. So context is definitely important when it comes to critiquing something.