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Title: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 15, 2016, 03:03:18 AM
Just saw on Facebook an annoncement of three shows in Sweden in February with Images & Words and beyond.

They will play I&W in full and select favorites from the Catalogue.

25 years anniversary tour of the iconic album.

Look out for dates in other areas of Europe.

Edit... dates are added here:

https://www.dreamtheater.net/tour
Title: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on November 15, 2016, 03:04:32 AM
BREAKING NEWS:

Several dates have been added to https://www.dreamtheater.net/tour   in europe.

Apparently they're doing a tour celebrating Images And Words 25th - playing the entire album and several other songs.




Why has this not announced properly?

https://www.013.nl/programma/4372/dream-theater-images-words-beyond
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 15, 2016, 03:12:45 AM
Saw it announced by the promoter on facebook


(https://www.facebook.com/triffidanddanger/photos/a.300944596695898.1073741829.299452443511780/433425623447794/?type=3)

Link not working unfortunately....

This should please the fans that were disappointed in the TA tour only beeing TA. Myself I would have loved to see TA again.


https://www.triffidanddanger.se/dream-theater-till-sverige-i-februari/ (https://www.triffidanddanger.se/dream-theater-till-sverige-i-februari/)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on November 15, 2016, 03:29:19 AM
Thats a rather late announcement for dates in February.  And no UK date?  Colour me sad :(  Wonder if they're trying to plug a financial gap left by an underpeforming tour?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 15, 2016, 03:42:47 AM
UK dates will probably come....

They play three cities in Sweden.... that is a first
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 15, 2016, 04:27:25 AM
Thats a rather late announcement for dates in February.  And no UK date?  Colour me sad :(  Wonder if they're trying to plug a financial gap left by an underpeforming tour?

I doubt it. You guys see lucky.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on November 15, 2016, 04:32:50 AM
I MUST go to one of these shows - it'll finally give me the chance to see Learning to Live and Metropolis performed live! Fingers crossed for at least one UK show.

Also, good luck James!  :omg:
Title: Re: Images & Words and beyond
Post by: Prog Snob on November 15, 2016, 05:17:25 AM
I was about to post a link to the other thread but you started it first. :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on November 15, 2016, 05:50:09 AM
Dayum, I surely hope this tour comes to Finland as well! :o 3 dates in Sweden and 0 here would be unfair.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 15, 2016, 06:22:20 AM
I wonder if they'll make this a year-long celebration and come back to the States... I'd like the chance to see this. Otherwise, as it stands, the last two "Anniversary" tours would be Europe-only tours.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on November 15, 2016, 06:31:25 AM
I would be extremely surprised if they did a third leg in the US. The sales of this second leg arent all that. I assume they'll do this second EU leg, then a leg in asia/oz, and then take a few months off. then we probably wont hear much from them until mid 2018...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Chino on November 15, 2016, 06:35:31 AM
I would be extremely surprised if they did a third leg in the US. The sales of this second leg aren't all that.

Or they'll come to the states with that tour knowing that it's what the majority of the fans want. It could be a way for the band to recoup some of the money they likely lost on the second Astonishing leg.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: BelichickFan on November 15, 2016, 06:51:42 AM
I would be extremely surprised if they did a third leg in the US. The sales of this second leg arent all that. I assume they'll do this second EU leg, then a leg in asia/oz, and then take a few months off. then we probably wont hear much from them until mid 2018...
I think it's safe to assume that the second leg of The Astonishing can't be compared in ticket sales to what I&W would be.  That said, I am going to The Astonishing tomorrow night and can't wait.  I love the album.
Title: Re: Images & Words and beyond
Post by: TexasFury on November 15, 2016, 07:15:27 AM
I would go see every tour if they started doing every album in entirety, one per tour, starting from the beginning.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikemangioy on November 15, 2016, 08:55:10 AM
Very nice surprise, I think I will attend.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the keyboard wizard on November 15, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
They must definitely do an Asian leg: where would they shoot their "Astonishing" BR? Maybe this European leg was set to raise money to pay for the shooting of the DVD. I'm pretty convinced that they have lost a certain amount of money with "the Astonishing live" (huge production and tickets not selling well) so they need to find money without spending too much: a "back to classics" tour is a good way (a bit like what Marillion is sometimes doing) and here of course means doing the whole Images and Words album (btw other albums have their anniversaries in 2017: FII, 6DOIT and SC but Images and Words is a classic).
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2016, 09:25:27 AM
I'm pretty convinced that they have lost a certain amount of money with "the Astonishing live" (huge production and tickets not selling well)

Highly unlikely.  That isn't how it works. 
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 15, 2016, 10:42:18 AM
I'm pretty convinced that they have lost a certain amount of money with "the Astonishing live" (huge production and tickets not selling well)

Highly unlikely.  That isn't how it works.

Yeah... if anyone has lost it's the promoters
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: JRuless on November 15, 2016, 10:50:40 AM
Will try to get a ticket but I'm not that thrilled IMHO..I'm very dissapointed its not part of the Astonishing tour as I was awaiting a 2nd leg playing the whole thing. Maybe Im alone in this but a whole leg supporting an classic album? I thought the SFAM support as a encore was a better choice. Very sad they overplayed it in the States...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on November 15, 2016, 11:14:27 AM
I don't want to be a dick, but I would take an evening with the entire The Astonishing over this, being that none of the concerts were near me last time around. But still, it's not like I'm going to say no to the entire Images and words.  :lol

Fingers crossed for a Vienna or Budapest date.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 15, 2016, 12:27:24 PM
I don't want to be a dick, but I would take an evening with the entire The Astonishing over this, being that none of the concerts were near me last time around. But still, it's not like I'm going to say no to the entire Images and words.  :lol

Fingers crossed for a Vienna or Budapest date.
Having seen an entire evening of The Astonishing just about a month ago, I would erase that evening for this in a heartbeat.  The TA concert was easily the worst of my 23 DT shows I've ever seen.  This would be pretty sweet!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2016, 12:54:26 PM
OMG I so want this in the US.  My all time favorite album and my favorite song by them that I still have not seen live, Learning to Live.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 15, 2016, 01:11:20 PM
I don't want to be a dick, but I would take an evening with the entire The Astonishing over this, being that none of the concerts were near me last time around. But still, it's not like I'm going to say no to the entire Images and words.  :lol

Fingers crossed for a Vienna or Budapest date.
Having seen an entire evening of The Astonishing just about a month ago, I would erase that evening for this in a heartbeat.  The TA concert was easily the worst of my 23 DT shows I've ever seen.  This would be pretty sweet!

Having seen The Astonishing twice in march I would take a third time of that over this...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 15, 2016, 01:51:33 PM
I don't want to be a dick, but I would take an evening with the entire The Astonishing over this, being that none of the concerts were near me last time around. But still, it's not like I'm going to say no to the entire Images and words.  :lol

Fingers crossed for a Vienna or Budapest date.
Having seen an entire evening of The Astonishing just about a month ago, I would erase that evening for this in a heartbeat.  The TA concert was easily the worst of my 23 DT shows I've ever seen.  This would be pretty sweet!
Having seen The Astonishing twice in march I would take a third time of that over this...
Fair enough.  I'm glad there are plenty of people out there who like TA.  No matter how hard I try, I simply can't get into it.  So, I'll anxiously await a DT North American tour where I'm excited to hear the songs being played live.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 15, 2016, 04:11:21 PM
I love this album as I said. It's 2ND behind 6DOIT for me.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lonestar on November 15, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
This tour better hit the US.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 16, 2016, 04:38:38 AM
I hope they do play the UK, BUT -

Last time they played the UK, they only played one venue (London Palladium)
The time before, they only played a festival support slot (Rambing Man)

Wouldn't be surprised if UK is forgotton about for the Eastern European countries that still seem to go see the band.

And why does Germany always get so many dates???

USA? Don't hold yer breath...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 16, 2016, 08:16:15 AM
Being in Ireland I normally fly to UK and catch a show in London.  But with no sign of a UK date I may have to slip over to the Paris gig instead, and they go on sale tomorrow morning!  Not sure if I should wait to see if they add a UK date or just go ahead and grab some Paris tickets...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on November 16, 2016, 08:27:50 AM
Being in Ireland I normally fly to UK and catch a show in London.  But with no sign of a UK date I may have to slip over to the Paris gig instead, and they go on sale tomorrow morning!  Not sure if I should wait to see if they add a UK date or just go ahead and grab some Paris tickets...
This is quite a frustrating thing to deal with - I know there must be reasons for it, but it would be so much better if all dates were announced at the same time. It's made worse if you have to travel long distances obviously too. You might be able to sell your ticket of course, but if you've paid for transport and accommodation, you're stuck. If you 'wait and see' you risk the show being sold out/getting a crappy seat and travel/accommodation prices increasing.

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cramx3 on November 16, 2016, 08:29:35 AM
This tour better hit the US.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2016, 08:34:43 AM
This tour better hit the US.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 16, 2016, 09:07:44 AM
I know people who fly to Dublin to see major acts because they reckon it's cheaper than seeing the same act in London.

I've thought about making the trip to Paris to see them in the past, but never quite been able to justify it.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 16, 2016, 09:53:34 AM
This tour better hit the US.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 16, 2016, 12:17:29 PM
Being in Ireland I normally fly to UK and catch a show in London.  But with no sign of a UK date I may have to slip over to the Paris gig instead, and they go on sale tomorrow morning!  Not sure if I should wait to see if they add a UK date or just go ahead and grab some Paris tickets...
This is quite a frustrating thing to deal with - I know there must be reasons for it, but it would be so much better if all dates were announced at the same time. It's made worse if you have to travel long distances obviously too. You might be able to sell your ticket of course, but if you've paid for transport and accommodation, you're stuck. If you 'wait and see' you risk the show being sold out/getting a crappy seat and travel/accommodation prices increasing.

Yep that is exactly how I'm feeling right now!

I know people who fly to Dublin to see major acts because they reckon it's cheaper than seeing the same act in London.

I've thought about making the trip to Paris to see them in the past, but never quite been able to justify it.

I would love it if DT played a gig in Dublin! They actually played here in the 99/00 SFAM tour but haven't been back since.  As for London vs Paris, it actually works out about the same when you add flights, accommodation, tickets, and train. I actually caught both London shows and a Paris show earlier this year! The things we do for our fave band eh?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: craig1928 on November 16, 2016, 01:10:33 PM
I would love it if DT played a gig in Dublin! They actually played here in the 99/00 SFAM tour but haven't been back since.

they played in Vicar street on the SDOIT tour
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 16, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
I would love it if DT played a gig in Dublin! They actually played here in the 99/00 SFAM tour but haven't been back since.

they played in Vicar street on the SDOIT tour

You're right, my bad! 2002 SDOIT tour in Vicar St, but they ain't been back since. Not sure why exactly. Ireland can be expensive these days, perhaps it costs too much to put on one single Dublin show or something.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SeRoX on November 16, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
James LaBrie if you read this thread.

It's good to know you in my lifetime, to me you're one of the best vocalist out there. RIP your throat.

Man, in all seriousness I am so excited and yet so solicitous about James' performance in full I&W. Hope Turkey date will be add.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 17, 2016, 02:18:28 AM
Just secured four tickets to Stockholm on the 18th of February
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 17, 2016, 02:34:20 AM
Just secured four tickets to Stockholm on the 18th of February

I couldn't get tickets for the Paris show  :'(   I couldn't get past the payment screen!  I filled in all the fields with the correct details, but the "Billing Post Code" just wouldn't accept anything I entered!  In Ireland we don't use Post Codes, so usually I can just put "n/a" or "none" but that didn't work. 

A few years ago the Irish government introduced "Eircode" which basically gives every single building/house/apartment it's own code, but the whole system was a failure and nobody uses it, and it's not recognised when making online purchases. Needless to say that didn't work either!

I even tried entering 90210, LONDON NW1, and googled some Paris post codes and tried them...no joy!  Totes devo   :'(
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: efx on November 17, 2016, 02:44:31 AM
Just secured four tickets to Stockholm on the 18th of February

Just got mine to both Göteborg and Stockholm. See you there :)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 17, 2016, 03:55:43 AM
Just secured four tickets to Stockholm on the 18th of February

Just got mine to both Göteborg and Stockholm. See you there :)

Ah... you are doing a minitour of your own... cool
Was considering it but then my friend from Gothenburg decided to go only to the Stockholm show...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the keyboard wizard on November 17, 2016, 05:24:07 AM
I couldn't get tickets for the Paris show  :'(   I couldn't get past the payment screen!  I filled in all the fields with the correct details, but the "Billing Post Code" just wouldn't accept anything I entered!  In Ireland we don't use Post Codes, so usually I can just put "n/a" or "none" but that didn't work.  (
Hey don't worry, tomorrow, there will be the general sale on this website : https://www.fnacspectacles.com/place-spectacle/manifestation/Hard-rock-Metal-DREAM-THEATER-ZPDRE.htm#/manifestation/bientot_reservable
and you'll be able to get an e-ticket (because on dream theater's website, they say you need to collect your ticket inside the arena after the opening of the doors).
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: efx on November 17, 2016, 05:29:34 AM
I couldn't get tickets for the Paris show  :'(   I couldn't get past the payment screen!  I filled in all the fields with the correct details, but the "Billing Post Code" just wouldn't accept anything I entered!  In Ireland we don't use Post Codes, so usually I can just put "n/a" or "none" but that didn't work.  (
Hey don't worry, tomorrow, there will be the general sale on this website : https://www.fnacspectacles.com/place-spectacle/manifestation/Hard-rock-Metal-DREAM-THEATER-ZPDRE.htm#/manifestation/bientot_reservable
and you'll be able to get an e-ticket (because on dream theater's website, they say you need to collect your ticket inside the arena after the opening of the doors).

That's strange about the ticket pickups, I guess it could be different for each country but for the sweden dates they were electronic ones.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 17, 2016, 07:47:51 AM
I couldn't get tickets for the Paris show  :'(   I couldn't get past the payment screen!  I filled in all the fields with the correct details, but the "Billing Post Code" just wouldn't accept anything I entered!  In Ireland we don't use Post Codes, so usually I can just put "n/a" or "none" but that didn't work.  (
Hey don't worry, tomorrow, there will be the general sale on this website : https://www.fnacspectacles.com/place-spectacle/manifestation/Hard-rock-Metal-DREAM-THEATER-ZPDRE.htm#/manifestation/bientot_reservable
and you'll be able to get an e-ticket (because on dream theater's website, they say you need to collect your ticket inside the arena after the opening of the doors).

Oh that's great, thanks man!  I couldn't find information on the general sale tickets, so I will definitely be checking out that link tomorrow :-)    I never liked the idea of collecting tickets in the venue on the night of the show, especially when you are traveling to a foreign country and have no idea how to explain if anything goes wrong.  Not to mention if it turned out that I couldn't attend the show for some reason I would not be able to sell the tickets. 
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 17, 2016, 08:29:11 AM
I would love it if DT played a gig in Dublin! They actually played here in the 99/00 SFAM tour but haven't been back since.  As for London vs Paris, it actually works out about the same when you add flights, accommodation, tickets, and train. I actually caught both London shows and a Paris show earlier this year! The things we do for our fave band eh?

Similar here - I live up near Belfast and flew over for the first London show in Feb.

I'm holding out for at least one UK/Ireland date on this tour. Dublin would be absolutely perfect, but not holding my breath..
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bokkie on November 17, 2016, 02:27:26 PM
Tilburg (Netherlands) was already sold out just after I got the e-mail. Let's hope I can get some tickets in the regular sale..
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the keyboard wizard on November 17, 2016, 11:59:28 PM
Tilburg (Netherlands) was already sold out just after I got the e-mail. Let's hope I can get some tickets in the regular sale..
Don't worry, you will get one today. Presales (especially when the seats are not numbered) are useless for this leg. It mattered for the first leg as if you wanted a seat, you needed to check the presale but for this one, if you want a good view, you need to queue hours before the show (and hope there won't be too many VIP entering earlier than you).
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 18, 2016, 01:31:49 AM
Managed to get tickets to the show in Paris.  Not sure what the issue with the "Billing Post Code" was, but I tried using a different card to make the purchase and it worked like magic!  Can't wait to see I&W in full, and any other faves they play will be a nice bonus (hoping for Lines in the Sand)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: FrostbiteZ on November 18, 2016, 02:24:49 AM
Got tickets for Malmö and Düsseldorf   :) :) and hopefully there will also come a Copenhagen date later on  :)
February 2017 will be epic. 2 (3) DT shows and 2 Metallica shows in Copenhagen :metal :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lalin1974 on November 18, 2016, 06:07:05 AM
Just secured four tickets to Stockholm on the 18th of February

Just got mine to both Göteborg and Stockholm. See you there :)

Got 2 tickets for the Stockholm show on the golden circle this morning....
If they play ACOS i will shit a brick
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the keyboard wizard on November 18, 2016, 06:41:25 AM
Managed to get tickets to the show in Paris.  Not sure what the issue with the "Billing Post Code" was, but I tried using a different card to make the purchase and it worked like magic!  Can't wait to see I&W in full, and any other faves they play will be a nice bonus (hoping for Lines in the Sand)
Good for you it worked. Do not hesitate to follow the French fan club facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/YourMajestyDT/ We'll be posting all the info.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on November 18, 2016, 06:56:34 AM
Managed to get tickets to the show in Paris.  Not sure what the issue with the "Billing Post Code" was, but I tried using a different card to make the purchase and it worked like magic!  Can't wait to see I&W in full, and any other faves they play will be a nice bonus (hoping for Lines in the Sand)
Good for you it worked. Do not hesitate to follow the French fan club facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/YourMajestyDT/ We'll be posting all the info.

Done, followed!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Elite on November 18, 2016, 07:33:57 AM
61 euros for the 013 (Tilburg, NL) show, that's a lot. I can't cough that up right now, so I hope it won't sell out quickly.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikemangioy on November 18, 2016, 08:25:45 AM
Got tix for Rome  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Octavarious on November 19, 2016, 10:49:02 AM
Got tix for Rome  :metal :metal :metal
Me too, finally after 3 years I can see them back here and taking only 30 minutes by car travelling to see them (last in Rome I was away on the coast on holiday).
Got 2 tickets so 1st time ever with my wife to see DT: home location and theater setup (the hall is  amazing, best place in Rome to see and hear concerts)  made the miracle.
So C U there Mike - from Abruzzo, right?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Schurftkut on November 19, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
i got tickets for 013 :)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: wwetzels on November 19, 2016, 01:29:32 PM
Tickets in for Tilburg and Düsseldorf :-)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CharlesPL on November 19, 2016, 03:06:03 PM
Got tix for Prague  :tup
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on November 21, 2016, 03:15:38 AM
More dates announced on Twitter:

Jan 31: Rome, Italy
Feb 20 & 21: Trondheim, Norway
Feb 24: Stavanger, Norway
Feb 25: Oslo, Norway
Feb 27: Helsinki, Finland

Helsinki, here I come! :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: V_R11 on November 21, 2016, 03:21:06 AM
More dates announced on Twitter:

Jan 31: Rome, Italy
Feb 20 & 21: Trondheim, Norway
Feb 24: Stavanger, Norway
Feb 25: Oslo, Norway
Feb 27: Helsinki, Finland

Helsinki, here I come! :metal

Hell yea Finland show!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: thosava on November 21, 2016, 04:18:37 AM
I am definatly going to the one in Oslo. I have only seen the last two tours, so seing some classics has made me very excited! Does anyone know if this is asn evening with show, or if there'll be an opening band?
Dare i hope for them playing OCTAVARIUM?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 21, 2016, 05:17:42 AM
I am definatly going to the one in Oslo. I have only seen the last two tours, so seing some classics has made me very excited! Does anyone know if this is asn evening with show, or if there'll be an opening band?
Dare i hope for them playing OCTAVARIUM?

An Evening with....

And Mike Mangini said somewhere that he was transcribing two "monstersongs" for the tour.

I am hoping for
- A Change of Seasons
- Octavarium
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 21, 2016, 09:15:47 AM
3 dates in Norway. 3 in Sweden and still nothing in the UK???

Damn you Mr Farage!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
Pretty sure more dates are coming.

Here are some tidbits about the upcoming let that I posted in the other thread in the general DT subforum:

Okay, so...I talked to JP last night after the show in Reno, and he shared the set list with me.  First off, no, I will not tell you the entire set list and will not confirm or deny guesses...for the most part.  :biggrin:  I will drop some details here and there, but not enough for people to piece the set together.  But for now, suffice to say:  This is not something to be missed.  People will DEFINITELY enjoy this show.  If you can go to one of these dates, DO IT!

Just for curiosity... he shared in the sense that he told you "We're gonna play this, this and that and also we're gonna do this big epic" or he actually showed you / listed you the entire setlist, song by song? in this second case I thought only Portnoy planned in such advance!

And my response with more specific info here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48829.msg2240865#msg2240865

Enjoy!  :)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 21, 2016, 09:26:03 AM
3 dates in Norway. 3 in Sweden and still nothing in the UK???

Damn you Mr Farage!

 :lol

<hilarious Brexit joke that I can't think of right now goes here>
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lonk on November 21, 2016, 10:33:30 AM
I'm really hoping they come to the US as well. Last anniversary tour they stayed in Europe. Let's hope they decide to tour here as well and for those of you in Europe, enjoy the show :metal  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 22, 2016, 09:10:09 AM
Pretty sure more dates are coming.

Here are some tidbits about the upcoming let that I posted in the other thread in the general DT subforum:

Okay, so...I talked to JP last night after the show in Reno, and he shared the set list with me.  First off, no, I will not tell you the entire set list and will not confirm or deny guesses...for the most part.  :biggrin:  I will drop some details here and there, but not enough for people to piece the set together.  But for now, suffice to say:  This is not something to be missed.  People will DEFINITELY enjoy this show.  If you can go to one of these dates, DO IT!

Just for curiosity... he shared in the sense that he told you "We're gonna play this, this and that and also we're gonna do this big epic" or he actually showed you / listed you the entire setlist, song by song? in this second case I thought only Portnoy planned in such advance!

And my response with more specific info here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48829.msg2240865#msg2240865

Enjoy!  :)

Did you ask if they would have the same screens as on the Astonishing tour on Images & Words and beyond?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on November 22, 2016, 10:52:14 AM
Still no Eastern Europe...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2016, 11:35:07 AM
Bought my ticket for the Milan show. Dream Theater in my hometown on a saturday night!  :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: LightCurves on November 23, 2016, 02:18:51 AM
Still no Eastern Europe...

Hopefully in March then includig Vienna.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: thosava on November 23, 2016, 09:22:38 AM
An Evening with....

And Mike Mangini said somewhere that he was transcribing two "monstersongs" for the tour.

I am hoping for
- A Change of Seasons
- Octavarium

If they play both Octavarium and A Change of Season (I have seen neither live before) i don't even know i'll be able to handle it. I just can't describe how much i wan't to see I&W, Octavarium and ACOS.
Oh and i bought tickets for the Oslo show earlier today, WHY CAN'T FEBRUARY COME SOONER?

Also: what is the chance of them playing a few highlights from The Astonishing as well?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 23, 2016, 11:07:02 AM
An Evening with....

And Mike Mangini said somewhere that he was transcribing two "monstersongs" for the tour.

I am hoping for
- A Change of Seasons
- Octavarium

If they play both Octavarium and A Change of Season (I have seen neither live before) i don't even know i'll be able to handle it. I just can't describe how much i wan't to see I&W, Octavarium and ACOS.
Oh and i bought tickets for the Oslo show earlier today, WHY CAN'T FEBRUARY COME SOONER?

Also: what is the chance of them playing a few highlights from The Astonishing as well?

The chance of them playing some Astonishing tracks is 100%
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 29, 2016, 08:15:34 AM
So I guess its looking less and less likely that there'll be any UK dates with each passing day...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on December 01, 2016, 10:01:50 AM
So I guess its looking less and less likely that there'll be any UK dates with each passing day...

Yep I was worried they may not add a UK show so I grabbed tix for Paris as soon as they went on sale. 

Not to get all political and stuff but I'd imagine that if DT booked a UK show for Feb/March and then that Brexit Article 50 thingy is invoked by the government right around then it would mean having to apply for visas and wotnot. Could be a whole load of red tape involved there so they may wait until Feb before adding UK dates.

Edit: spelling error
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on December 01, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
I'm also watching out for a UK date.

I don't think the visa thing would be an issue - even if the UK government trigger Article 50 by next March, it will be a couple of years before the UK actually leaves the EU.

It's maybe more of a financial thing, where they're looking at which venues would give the best return on investment.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Peter1960 on December 01, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
I am very disappointed that there has not been a UK date announced as yet and as a previous poster said, it is looking less and less likely that there'll be any UK dates with each passing day.  I also note there have been no dates announced for Spain, another country where they normally play. And yes, to all you US fans, I share your disappointment that you will probably not see this show either.

is it really a financial issue that they are not / maybe not playing the UK ? OK, it took a while for the UK to become an established market for DT, but the last few tours (prior to TA) have seen them play at Wembley Arena (albeit only about 3/4 of the full capacity) which is the second largest venue in London after the 02 Arena.

Their last 3 albums have all reached the top 20 in the UK album chart. Surely their profile is still high enough to justify at least one UK show ?

Whilst writing, it doesn't look at if we'll see a DVD of The Astonishing tour either, even though (I believe) JP said they were definitely looking at doing it. This is a wasted opportunity in my opinion - the amount of investment in music and production was crying out for the show to be captured as a visual spectacle, but unless they do a one off performance in 2017, that will be that.

Peter
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on December 01, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
To all people commenting on the UK dates: I understand how you feel, DT has only come to my country once, and I wasn't able to go. It sucks not being able to see them play near you, but that's not DT's fault.

When planning a tour, it's basically the promoters from your cities and the band's management that arrange that stuff. If they aren't going, it probably has to do with either the management, the promoters, logistical issues, etc.

Just have patience, they'll return to the UK eventually, not like in my case. I would probably have to save lots of money for a ticket to another country if I ever want to see them live  :-\
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 02, 2016, 03:30:06 AM
While I understand how incredibly frustrating it is for fans that bands can't travel to every country, the fact remains that any band can only travel to countries where it is financially viable to do so. The UK is an established market for Dream Theater, and is one of the largest rock markets in Europe. The UK has a population of 63M, compare that to Norway's mere 5M people and it's insane that the UK would not be featured highly on any European tour. 

My concern is that having seen this band go from the Marquee to the Astoria to Hammersmith Odeon to Wembley Arena, I've then seen them go from Wembley Arena 3/4 full, then Wembley Arena less than half full, to one single festival support slot, to the relatively small Palladium, the promoters might be thinking that DT's popularity is on a downward trajectory in the UK and skip the country in future.

It's the promoters who decide where the band play, not the band.

I'm considering travelling to Europe to see them. I'm in a financial position where I can do this - many fans won't be.

EDIT: Fuck it, I've just bought tix for Le Zenith. Now I've got to figure out how to get there...!  :rollin :rollin  :rollin
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on December 02, 2016, 05:03:26 AM
EDIT: Fuck it, I've just bought tix for Le Zenith. Now I've got to figure out how to get there...!  :rollin :rollin :rollin
:tup I would totally do this if they came out and said the current dates are finalised and there will be no more added. But it's hard to pull the trigger when there's still a chance they might announce something closer to home  :-\

Paris seems like the best choice for me of the current dates - when I had a quick look at flights, I think it was the only city where I could get a direct flight from Glasgow or Edinburgh on the day of the concert and one back the next day. Though I didn't check the Scandinavian citiies, as they seem pretty expensive and would likely be freezing at that time of year  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on December 02, 2016, 05:29:34 AM
I was checking out flights for either The Netherlands or the Paris shows. The flight to Amsterdam on the day of the show, and back the following day was about £83 in total. Not too bad, but it looks like there's no tickets left for the show? (https://www.ticketmaster.nl/event/177739?CAMEFROM=013&brand=nl_013web). Also, I don't think there's a direct train to Tilburg from Amsterdam?

Paris is looking about £120, but the timing of the outbound flight means that it would have to be a two-nighter.

Think I'll just hang on for UK dates and hope for the best..
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on December 02, 2016, 05:32:43 AM
That the interest in Dream Theater is falling is no secret. They have passed their peak and is returning to the "niche band" status they used to have. And before anyone says it - no it's not because of Portnoy leaving. The downward trend was apparent long before he thought of leaving:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22dream%20theater%22

The height of popularity was during the 2004 Train of Thought and 2005 Octavarium tours.



Now, another factor is that the current DT promoters are actually kinda new. The 2015 summer tour was, to my knowledge, the first tour they booked for DT, and that saw some of the weirdest european bookings to date. But Norway has always been a very high ratio of DT fans for some reason - just look at the link above where Norway falls under the "country" scale. It also helps that the fan club president is from norway ;)

Having said that - there are probably still dates to be announced for europe. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some UK dates soon.


BTW. Ryan Air to Oslo isnt terribly expensive ;)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on December 03, 2016, 04:00:35 AM
I've noticed a decrease in the interest in DT here in Finland as well, and they're not talked about on Finnish music discussion boards as much as before. I didn't become a fan until 2009 and didn't see them live until 2014, but according to that Google Trends link you posted, Octavarium was the peak here, and based on the live reviews I've read, at least the shows at the Helsinki Ice Hall on the SC and ADTOE tours were pretty well attended. When I saw them 2 years ago, there were lots of empty seats, and last year the 25th anniversary show had to be downgraded to the House of Culture, and even that venue wasn't sold out. To be fair, on the latter occasion it was a festival, and although 2 bands were dropped from the bill, the tickets still cost almost 70€, which is a helluva lot for 1½ hours of DT and 1 hour of Anathema. The event was advertised pretty poorly as well, and I read that a lot of people didn't find out about it until it was too late.

Anyway, the I&W show will take place at the Ice Hall again, but it looks like this time around only a limited number of sections with seats is in use: https://www.ticketmaster.fi/event/194611&brand=fi_menolippu?language=en-us Also, the show is organized by Eastway Live instead of Live Nation Finland, which has usually been in charge of DT shows and all the other big rock concerts over here. Maybe they were discouraged by the recent lack of success? Rock/metal music is going through a rough time right now, and DT is no exception.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 03, 2016, 08:25:07 AM
OK, it took a while for the UK to become an established market for DT

Not so. Images and Words broke over here in 1992 and the UK was about the biggest overseas market for the band at that time, and for some time after. Check out the tour history - the UK always features highly.

It appears that the band's UK promoter - SJM Concerts - is a separate entity to their European promoters. I can only assume that's the reason there's been no UK dates yet.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gulranek on December 11, 2016, 04:50:14 AM
I've glanced over this thread quickly so pardon if it's been asked earlier, but - has there been word of additional European tour dates or is this it?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on December 11, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
Nothing yet...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on December 13, 2016, 02:21:47 AM
New dates yeeeeeee

APRIL
18        Birmingham, England        Symphony Hall
19        Manchester, England        02 Apollo
20        Glasgow, Scotland        Royal Concert Hall
22        Cardiff, Wales            Motorpoint Arena
23        London, England        London Eventim Apollo
25        Amsterdam, Holland        Afas Live
26        Antwerp, Belgium        Lotto Arena

So glad they're coming back to Scotland again  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ori.elias5 on December 13, 2016, 02:50:33 AM
Hi everyone,

Im looking to get tickets for the Zenith show in paris.

have anyone been there before? right now the tickets are for unreserved seats. Is it standing or seating tickets and do i need to come early to find a good seat?

thanks.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on December 13, 2016, 04:10:20 AM
So glad they're coming back to Scotland again  ;D ;D ;D ;D
:hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy I was seriously considering going to buy a Paris ticket the other day - glad I waited! Royal Concert Hall then...I've never been there before, that should be interesting - though presumably all seated again. Looks like they guys are gonna have had a well earned break before the UK shows, unless any more are added - Glasgow will be the third day in a row though, good luck James!  :eek
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the keyboard wizard on December 13, 2016, 04:15:54 AM
Hi everyone,

Im looking to get tickets for the Zenith show in paris.

have anyone been there before? right now the tickets are for unreserved seats. Is it standing or seating tickets and do i need to come early to find a good seat?

thanks.
Standing or seated. If you go there you can choose between categories : https://www.fnacspectacles.com/place-spectacle/manifestation/Hard-rock-Metal-DREAM-THEATER-ZPDRE.htm#/disponibilite/6df41f1ac0a8280cefc1cfcfb631b40c/normale
Here is the map with the different categories :
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15171280_1900267883535321_3877154688327030695_n.jpg?oh=e9486818801f7f18625db732d97121e5&oe=58B65940)

Carré or (the yellow one) is 96 euros but you are sure to get a good seated seat.
Debout/fosse is the standing section and is 52 euros. I recommend to queue early as the concert will take place on a Sunday so people will be there early to grab a good seat.
If you want all the info, please follow us, the French fan club, on Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/YourMajestyDT/
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on December 13, 2016, 05:02:05 AM
So glad they're coming back to Scotland again  ;D ;D ;D ;D
:hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy I was seriously considering going to buy a Paris ticket the other day - glad I waited! Royal Concert Hall then...I've never been there before, that should be interesting - though presumably all seated again. Looks like they guys are gonna have had a well earned break before the UK shows, unless any more are added - Glasgow will be the third day in a row though, good luck James!  :eek

Yesssss..  :tup

Glasgow sounds good. Now to look up travel and accommodation..
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on December 13, 2016, 05:25:50 AM
So glad they're coming back to Scotland again  ;D ;D ;D ;D
:hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy I was seriously considering going to buy a Paris ticket the other day - glad I waited! Royal Concert Hall then...I've never been there before, that should be interesting - though presumably all seated again. Looks like they guys are gonna have had a well earned break before the UK shows, unless any more are added - Glasgow will be the third day in a row though, good luck James!  :eek


Im surprised they are going for somewhere all seated again since the last show in the Armadillo was so subdued from the crowd.   I remember James saying during pull me under at the end of the show "If this doesn't get you going then I don't know what will"  :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 13, 2016, 05:30:40 AM
They're still playing all seaters for this tour? Sorry, not interested...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on December 13, 2016, 06:45:51 AM
So glad they're coming back to Scotland again  ;D ;D ;D ;D
:hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy I was seriously considering going to buy a Paris ticket the other day - glad I waited! Royal Concert Hall then...I've never been there before, that should be interesting - though presumably all seated again. Looks like they guys are gonna have had a well earned break before the UK shows, unless any more are added - Glasgow will be the third day in a row though, good luck James!  :eek


Im surprised they are going for somewhere all seated again since the last show in the Armadillo was so subdued from the crowd.   I remember James saying during pull me under at the end of the show "If this doesn't get you going then I don't know what will"  :lol
Yeah I remember that  :lol I also remember a few people angrily complaining at others for standing  :facepalm:

They're still playing all seaters for this tour? Sorry, not interested...
Not everywhere - Paris at least had a mix of standing tickets and seating when I looked.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 13, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Right, I see they added an  Amsterdam date. There goes some more money.....
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on December 13, 2016, 09:28:30 AM
They're still playing all seaters for this tour? Sorry, not interested...

Stockholm is all standing
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Post by: The Curious Orange on December 14, 2016, 01:08:24 AM
Hammersmith Apollo - Fantastic! So much better than that cow-shed at Wembley.
And Birmingham Symphony Hall - Classy!

EDIT - Hammersmith bought - Row H! Blimey, they're a bit expensive, aren't they?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: wasteland on December 14, 2016, 03:43:57 AM
London gig sold out in 14 minutes, before I could connect and buy my tickets. I hope they add another date, or I will likely miss this tour. I so wanted to go, my favourite band playing my favourite album festuring my all time two favourite songs... :'(

Or please tell me if I am missing something: I tried on viagogo and on DT.net. Are there any other channels to get tickets in the UK?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on December 14, 2016, 03:49:46 AM

Or please tell me if I am missing something: I tried on viagogo and on DT.net. Are there any other channels to get tickets in the UK?

I believe these are just presale today aren't they?  More seem to go on sale Friday morning. 

55 quid for the Glasgow tickets :O  Damn DT, you are getting pricey.  I'm blaming Brexit!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on December 14, 2016, 03:51:22 AM
London gig sold out in 14 minutes, before I could connect and buy my tickets. I hope they add another date, or I will likely miss this tour. I so wanted to go, my favourite band playing my favourite album festuring my all time two favourite songs... :'(

Or please tell me if I am missing something: I tried on viagogo and on DT.net. Are there any other channels to get tickets in the UK?
This is just a presale I think - so more tickets should be released in the coming days. The event website for example says "on sale soon" https://www.eventimapollo.com/events/all#2017-04 (https://www.eventimapollo.com/events/all#2017-04) You can still buy the VIP tickets on the DT site of course, if you've got some extra cash spare  :biggrin:

Not sure what's going on with the Glasgow show. When I first tried it, no tickets were available. Then a while later, clicking the page for Glasgow just forwarded you to the venues website - which doesn't even have the show listed. Now clicking on it again on the DT site brings up 2 ticket options - only the cheaper tickets further back are available though.

EDIT:
Were you able to buy the £55 tickets on the DT site McNugg? Won't let me select them. If they are the most expensive option, they're far cheaper than the equivalent at the other UK shows for some reason!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on December 14, 2016, 03:59:50 AM
EDIT:
Were you able to buy the £55 tickets on the DT site McNugg? Won't let me select them. If they are the most expensive option, they're far cheaper than the equivalent at the other UK shows for some reason!

I didn't, though I kind of wish I did now as they looked pretty good compared to these £45 ones coming up now.  Hopefully better ones will come up on Friday morning.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: wasteland on December 14, 2016, 04:00:23 AM
Oh, good to know. I mean, I hoped I had missed something. I'm stranded in the passenger lounge at Stansted and have only a phone with me to browser the internet. I'm glad it was just a mistake on my part. Still, I shall be extra careful on Friday morning.

Anyway, don't you think they might be adding another London gig? For such a historic tour stopping in a 10m+ people metropolis one single show in a theatre like the Hammersmith (which is big but is no wembley/O2) seems a bit of an undershoot.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 14, 2016, 04:02:40 AM
 :hat

Who can tell with DT these days? Iwouldn't be surprised if they added a 2nd Hammersmith show, but then I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't!

London isn't just the "London" show, it's also the "South East" show - the most populous part of the country. Fans from all over the SE will be heading for this one.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on December 14, 2016, 04:12:13 AM
Anybody else find it stressful buying concert tix?

Got super seats in the end but had to get a Gold VIP ticket.  Actually got really good seats bang on 9am but the payment screen crashed on me 😢  Then, after much refreshing I got some other really good seats, but the payment screen showed the first tix still in my cart, and when I went to remove them my entire cart cleared 😭  After that I simply could not find any seats available in the stalls.

So after a few hundred further attempts I eventually gave up and bought Gold package seats.

Got 4th row from the stage, dead center. No regrets 😊 

Expensive though! Well, looks like it's super noodles for dinner till April 😂

Just always find it so damn stressful everytime I'm buying tix for a show I really want to see!!  But glad I got sorted.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 14, 2016, 04:35:03 AM
Anybody else find it stressful buying concert tix?

It is super-stressful. And it shouldn't be. If they sold tickets to football matches like this, there'd be an outcry.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on December 14, 2016, 05:34:45 AM
Anybody else find it stressful buying concert tix?

It is super-stressful. And it shouldn't be. If they sold tickets to football matches like this, there'd be an outcry.

Agreed! It's always a mad scramble to get first in the cyber queue. I'm close to needing a replacement F5 key at this point, and a few Xanax to calm the nerves might be nice too!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the-glass-prison on December 14, 2016, 05:45:00 AM
EDIT:
Were you able to buy the £55 tickets on the DT site McNugg? Won't let me select them. If they are the most expensive option, they're far cheaper than the equivalent at the other UK shows for some reason!

I logged on at 09.40 and they were already on sale. So much for it being 10.00. Managed to get 1 of the £55 tickets. My suggestion to anyone going to Glasgow is try the Royal Concert Hall website 1st. I imagine they'll sell the best available.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the-glass-prison on December 14, 2016, 05:47:25 AM
So glad they're coming back to Scotland again  ;D ;D ;D ;D
:hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy I was seriously considering going to buy a Paris ticket the other day - glad I waited! Royal Concert Hall then...I've never been there before, that should be interesting - though presumably all seated again.
  yes it's all seated and it's a great venue.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on December 16, 2016, 02:31:36 AM
Got my ticket for Glasgow  :tup Didn't want to use Ticketmaster, but had no choice in the end. The venue website still didn't even have the gig listed (it eventually appeared the very second I completed the purchase on TM  :angry: but tickets still don't seem to be available).

At first I got row H seat 31, which is quite far to the left. Tried again and managed to get row H again, but much closer to the centre this time. Almost £10 of fees is an absolute disgrace, but oh well - cheaper than all the other UK gigs and much closer to home! It was almost exactly the same price as I paid for the Astonishing Palladium show (same row), but no expensive travel or accommodation to worry about!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on December 16, 2016, 03:48:59 AM
woop woop got my Glasgow ticket too :D  Front row of Terrace A so hopefully a good view from there.  Now to figure out the expensive part, travelling to Glasgow and a hotel  :-\ 

So many damn gigs to go to this year, gonna have to save some serious penny lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Estiui on December 16, 2016, 04:34:08 AM
Fuck yes, Barcelona announced!!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on December 16, 2016, 04:42:03 AM
woop woop got my Glasgow ticket too :D  Front row of Terrace A so hopefully a good view from there.  Now to figure out the expensive part, travelling to Glasgow and a hotel  :-\ 

So many damn gigs to go to this year, gonna have to save some serious penny lol
Virtual 3D view of the venue here: https://www.pikodesign.com/tour/gch/ (https://www.pikodesign.com/tour/gch/)

If you click the menu button you can see the view from different areas.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lucasembarbosa on December 16, 2016, 09:44:16 AM
Going to see them at the Porto concert! :D
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on December 16, 2016, 11:27:50 AM
Thanks krands85, it's a nice looking venue!

Great to see Spain/Portugal dates added too.  I know with different promoters doing different countries and whatnot it's hard to announce all dates at once, especially since the tour is so soon.  But it would save fans so much heartache if they could announce the whole tour at once instead of dribs and drabs.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: genome on December 19, 2016, 07:56:13 AM
I'll be going to Manchester this time around, to make a change from London. Should be a nice change of pace.

Bet I end up going to London too  :rollin

ariich (if you're reading) are you going to a date?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the-glass-prison on December 19, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
Got Row F centre seat. That was on the DT website. Well pleased.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 20, 2016, 12:05:07 AM
Got my ticket for Amsterdam HMH. 
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Post by: dodido253 on December 24, 2016, 09:44:32 AM
Got my ticket for Amsterdam HMH.

Same here!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Aythesryche on December 29, 2016, 06:05:19 AM
Got my Prague tickets today. Managed to snag a couple of the "Front of the Stage" tickets, which were a couple more bucks over the general admission tickets. Should be fun! Hopefully I can snag a couple spots a bit to the left of JP. Anyone else going to the Prague show?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 04, 2017, 06:29:52 AM
New passport arrived, Eurostar and hotel booked, le Zenith here I come!  :hat :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lordnafaryus on January 09, 2017, 04:23:38 PM

I have tickets to Cardiff and it will be my FIRST time seeing them live, I am SO excited  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: DreamerTV on January 10, 2017, 01:48:02 AM
Is anyone following how the shows are selling?
Here in Italy first show in Rome is sold out and the second one is close to be (2600 people each), Milan is going well with more sections being opened every week (i think they've well passed 5000 tickets sold), and Padova is 2/3 full (sold out would be 2500 tickets)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2017, 06:53:23 AM
Is anyone following how the shows are selling?
Here in Italy first show in Rome is sold out and the second one is close to be (2600 people each), Milan is going well with more sections being opened every week (i think they've well passed 5000 tickets sold), and Padova is 2/3 full (sold out would be 2500 tickets)

That's good to hear  :yarr
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Schurftkut on January 10, 2017, 06:14:55 PM
Tilburg sold out in 1 or 2 weeks i think(3000tickets), still plenty tickets for Amsterdam left it seems.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2017, 09:22:55 AM
Tilburg sold out in 1 or 2 weeks i think(3000tickets), still plenty tickets for Amsterdam left it seems.

Isn't that Amsterdam venue pretty big?  I'd be amazed if they sold it out.  I really want to see a show there, it's right next to my company's data center.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on January 11, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
Trondheim both nights and Kristiansand sold out instantly (both 1300-1400 seats), Stavanger is about 2/3s sold at this point (1900 max capacity) , and Oslo is maybe 1/3 sold (9000 max capacity).
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Schurftkut on January 12, 2017, 06:10:11 AM
the amsterdam one isnt that big (5500), my first DT concert was there and it sold out (6doit tour) They played bigger venues (15000) after that also sold out so...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikemangioy on January 12, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
Got tix for Rome  :metal :metal :metal
So C U there Mike - from Abruzzo, right?

Oh yea, sorry I didn't check the thread anymore  :lol
I'm in gallery 4S, first row. A nice spot, if you ask me: slightly lateral but also very close to the stage. Also, with the lady.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Wilma on January 21, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
Got my Prague tickets today. Managed to snag a couple of the "Front of the Stage" tickets, which were a couple more bucks over the general admission tickets. Should be fun! Hopefully I can snag a couple spots a bit to the left of JP. Anyone else going to the Prague show?

Got my tickets for Prague too! Czech and Slovak fans cannot wait! :metal   
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: NicoAlonso on January 24, 2017, 02:38:09 AM
Hi, my name's Nicolas, I'm from Spain, and wrtiting for the very first time in this forum.  :metal
I got a VIP a platinum ticket for Milan show, and I'm travelling from Malaga in two weeks time.
Do any of you have experience in this kind of vip "packs"?
Since I am travelling to Milan on my own without any ticket for the show (just a confirmation email), I'd like to know when do you usually recieve further intructions for the Meet & Greet and so on.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the keyboard wizard on January 24, 2017, 02:39:05 AM
New dates added in Poland, Italy and France. I won't be able to attend the second French show but I'm glad they will tour in a part of France that is usually forgotten.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: NicoAlonso on January 24, 2017, 03:15:22 AM
New dates added in Poland, Italy and France. I won't be able to attend the second French show but I'm glad they will tour in a part of France that is usually forgotten.
Yep, and a third show in Rome, Parco Della Musica. Excelent relationship with Italy.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: LightCurves on January 30, 2017, 03:14:01 AM
New date, announced by austrian promoter:

Vienna, May, 17th at Gasometer.

Deep Purple play Vienna the same night @ Stadthalle, too bad, so no I&W show for me.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on January 30, 2017, 11:23:49 AM
New date, announced by austrian promoter:

Vienna, May, 17th at Gasometer.

Deep Purple play Vienna the same night @ Stadthalle, too bad, so no I&W show for me.
Not a smart decision by the promoters.

Given my current financial situations, I will have to do my best to afford the trip this time around. We'll see.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: LightCurves on January 30, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
New date, announced by austrian promoter:

Vienna, May, 17th at Gasometer.

Deep Purple play Vienna the same night @ Stadthalle, too bad, so no I&W show for me.
Not a smart decision by the promoters.


Indeed. And given its the same promoter for both DT and DP (barracuda) i can only assume they're nuts.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the-glass-prison on January 30, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
Already got my ticket for Glasgow. I see that there are still good seats available. I was also thinking about going to Manchester too. Train fare is very reasonable. Much to my surprise I was offered stalls row J. Tickets for Manchester a lot more expensive than Manchester though. A bit concerned that some of the dates aren't selling very well.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lonk on January 30, 2017, 03:21:09 PM
So more European dates and nothing for US or any other part of the world. I'm starting to lose faith and just praying a DVD comes out. Not the first time, and won't be the last, that dream theater shows no interest in the US. Last time was in 2015 for their 30th anniversary tour.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2017, 03:23:38 PM
So more European dates and nothing for US or any other part of the world. I'm starting to lose faith and just praying a DVD comes out. Not the first time, and won't be the last, that dream theater shows no interest in the US. Last time was in 2015 for their 30th anniversary tour.

DT's facebook today said NA dates coming soon.  Be patient.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 03, 2017, 06:31:24 AM
I'm really hoping they come back down to North Carolina. The Durham show I went to was almost sold out. The demand is definitely there!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CharlesPL on February 03, 2017, 07:58:33 AM
Little modification  :P

1. Never Enough
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. A Life Left Behind
6. Our New World
7. Through Her Eyes/ w extended JP outro solo
8. Disappear
9. Lost Not Forgotten (never played in Europe)

======Intermission==========

10. Pull Me Under
11. Another Day
12. Take the Time
13. Surrounded
14. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
15. Under a Glass Moon
16. Wait for Sleep
17. Learning to Live

Encore 1 :

18. Don't Look Past Me (world premiere)
19. Eve

Encore 2:

20. A Change of Seasons

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 03, 2017, 09:21:28 AM
My blood spilled on your brand-new floor
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on February 03, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
Little modification  :P

1. Never Enough

Never in a thousand years!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bokkie on February 05, 2017, 02:39:21 PM
the amsterdam one isnt that big (5500), my first DT concert was there and it sold out (6doit tour) They played bigger venues (15000) after that also sold out so...


6doit was in Ahoy in Rotterdam wasn't it? At least that's what I remember. Also, hmh should be a bit bigger (7000 according to https://www.google.nl/amp/www.volkskrant.nl/muziek/-ziggo-dome-vult-gat-tussen-gelredome-en-ahoy~a3274701/amp?client=ms-android-google ).
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Schurftkut on February 05, 2017, 08:46:58 PM
not sure if they came back on the 6doit tour, but i'm certain they did at least one concert in HMH, as it was my first time seeing them.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: JRuless on February 07, 2017, 02:01:38 PM
not sure if they came back on the 6doit tour, but i'm certain they did at least one concert in HMH, as it was my first time seeing them.

8varium tour..10&11 oktober 2005 performing DSOTM..Glorious!
and most 'recently' 17 feb 2014..
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the-glass-prison on February 13, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
Ticket booked for Manchester. Staying at Travelodge Sportcity. Cheap rooms still available if anyone looking
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on February 14, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Didn't know where else to post this:

https://youtu.be/-6Qg_3YwEFo?t=499

"We can learn, from the piss!" :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 14, 2017, 03:52:45 PM
Haha...that's funny.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: thedrumanimal on February 15, 2017, 11:39:57 AM
I was at the concert yesterday in my hometown Hamburg at the Mehr! Theater, my 24th concert of the band. I have never seen my favorite song of the band before - A change of seasons. So I was in heaven yesterday as you can imagine. I guess about 3.000 people attented the show.

Some infos about the concert which I think are worth mentioning here, since you guys know already nearly everything about this tour.  :lol

During the outro solo of Take the time JP played a little excerpt of one of his solo songs (I am pretty sure it was, but I dont know which one...) - I guess only few people in the audience noticed.

James announced and apologized after TDEN that he was sick. I must say that I have seen many much worse concerts of him, actually we thought he nailed nearly all of the difficult passages. Even the famous F# (now F) was spot on.

The version of Metropolis with the drum solo and the unison after the bass solo for me was a highlight of the show.

James had two spots when he talked for quite a long time. I can't remember everything he said, but me and my mates were sure we have never heard him talk for such a long time before, telling a great history from the days when they were writing the album and even when he was coming down to NY to audition. Great James moment!

I am drummer myself, and I freaking love Mangini. He is incredible to see live, such an inspiration. I love MP, he was the inspiration of my young drumming days, but for the last ten years I can tell which fill he is going to play even seconds before he actually plays it. I don't get why people would call him robotic... Groove and feel has a lot to do with ghost notes for instance... he does much more of them than MP. But of course this gets buried when playing over a PA... But I dont want to start this discussion over again. I am one of those DT fans who love both, but thinks that Mangini is NOW the better fit for this band.

JP is definately lip-synching some of his vocal parts. At one point (I think it was in TDEN) he was too far away from his mic to produce what I heard...

During WFS something happend I never witnessed before: JR hit a wrong chord!!!  :omg:  :lol

All in all, I can die happily now. Nothing more on my wishlist what I HAVE to see live from DT.  ;D ;D

I recorded Metropolis in 4k, still uploading. Will post it here when it is available in full quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeAh0-aR1Q&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeAh0-aR1Q&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on February 15, 2017, 11:47:48 AM
Looks like you had a great time at the concert!  :metal

I am drummer myself, and I freaking love Mangini. He is incredible to see live, such an inspiration. I love MP, he was the inspiration of my young drumming days, but for the last ten years I can tell which fill he is going to play even seconds before he actually plays it. I don't get why people would call him robotic... Groove and feel has a lot to do with ghost notes for instance... he does much more of them than MP. But of course this gets buried when playing over a PA... But I dont want to start this discussion over again. I am one of those DT fans who love both, but thinks that Mangini is NOW the better fit for this band.

I agree 100% with this.
MP = the same old fills over and over again.
MM = the best fit for the band right now.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CB on February 16, 2017, 01:23:24 AM
I was at the Hamburg show as well, hat to see it a second time (after Düsseldorf) and I LOVE Hamburg.
I agree about Mangini. I like MPs drumming a lot but I think Mangini is now the better drummer for DT and he seems to get along very well with ALL the other guys in the band.
I was relieved to hear that JLBs voice wasn't affected by his illness any more. I was impressed by how he managed in Düsseldorf despite his limitations but it was great to hear how strong and secure his voice was only 3 days later, especially the high notes. Pronunciation was very good as well. I liked that he talked to the audience more than usual, they should keep that in future tours. They also should keep a solo spot for everyone. JMs was especially special, and his solo floating into the beginning of As I Am - goosebumps! There were too many highlights to mention, that show was probably my favourite DT show so far.
I had a ticket for the balcony but because I was early I got a very good standing place (only 2 not too tall guys in front of me) so I saw the 1st part of the show from there. It was a great experience to be so near to the band for the first time. During intermission I had to move to the balcony because my bad back really started to hurt, but the view from there was very good too.
The only strange thing at that evening - why was JR wearing headphones? I saw him talking to his tech on stage before the show started, technical problems with his in ears perhaps?

Looks like you had a great time at the concert!  :metal

I am drummer myself, and I freaking love Mangini. He is incredible to see live, such an inspiration. I love MP, he was the inspiration of my young drumming days, but for the last ten years I can tell which fill he is going to play even seconds before he actually plays it. I don't get why people would call him robotic... Groove and feel has a lot to do with ghost notes for instance... he does much more of them than MP. But of course this gets buried when playing over a PA... But I dont want to start this discussion over again. I am one of those DT fans who love both, but thinks that Mangini is NOW the better fit for this band.

I agree 100% with this.
MP = the same old fills over and over again.
MM = the best fit for the band right now.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Öxölklöfför on February 18, 2017, 01:53:10 AM
I attended the show in Gothenburg yesterday. Great show! JLB:s show sounded great (for the most) and the band seemed to have fun. There were some sound issues, but nothing big.

Here's a video of Take the time from that show: https://youtu.be/ANVwMrtcpY8 (https://youtu.be/ANVwMrtcpY8)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on February 18, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
Looks like he's sticking to the modified melody, which is good. I wish he spent a bit more time on it, it's still a bit haphazard.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
I like how he snuck some of his solo album stuff into the extended outro.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on February 19, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
I like how he snuck some of his solo album stuff into the extended outro.

A little bit of Glasgow Kiss. Really cool he did that!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on February 21, 2017, 05:27:44 PM
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16903508_1388222451253092_1394019594551676551_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=1093bf4290da54db8214f0dd37502941&oe=5948BA5E)

Story time! James is about to start talking about the past. All of a sudden we see some shadows moving in the dark. A bucket of popcorn appears on stage, and JP, JR and MM go sit around it, urging James to continue his story. At one point JP even lies down on his stomach with his head perched on his hands. He tells James that it's damn good popcorn. James finishes the story - and the bucket it's passed to the audience - and the next song is starting.

Hilarious. JP orchestrated this prank on James.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Architeuthis on February 21, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
Ha,  that's awesome!  :corn
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 21, 2017, 06:23:40 PM
Haha...that's great. Perfect moment for that too. JM is probably just lounging it.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on February 21, 2017, 08:32:54 PM
That's amazing  :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on February 21, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
Great prank.... would have loved to see that but I only saw them in Stockholm (thought about Gothenburg and Oslo as well).

Will be seeing them again in May on a buisnesstrip to Katowice in Poland. Already looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2017, 03:52:18 AM
That looks hilarious. We need a video.  :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SeRoX on February 22, 2017, 04:12:57 AM
I'm still questioning why James wear this pant.  :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: perfey on February 22, 2017, 08:45:56 AM
Thats great! Haha! I saw them in Stockholm! The concert was awesome! Really cool to see IaW, SOC, As I Am and Breaking all Illusions! Hell's Kitchen was a good addition too, one of their best instrumentals and emotional! Really great mood in that instrumental and it segued great into The Gift of Music :). I just missed the The Dark Eternal Night 'cause I were a little bit timeoptimisic :D.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: TAC on February 22, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
Thats great! Haha! I saw them in Stockholm! The concert was awesome! Really cool to see   SOC, 

SOC??
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CB on February 22, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
That looks hilarious. We need a video.  :lol

There's a video on Dream Theater World's Facebook page. Not good quality, but still funny.

Great that they're still in the mood for pranks!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2017, 12:30:08 PM
Found it. And I also liked the page, somehow I wasn't aware of it. There's some funny, cool content in there.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on February 22, 2017, 04:45:25 PM
I put up an extended version of the video so you see more of the beginning of it as well. I haven't found the entire beginning.

https://youtu.be/n5EgzNnwJdo
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on February 22, 2017, 11:12:15 PM
I put up an extended version of the video so you see more of the beginning of it as well. I haven't found the entire beginning.

https://youtu.be/n5EgzNnwJdo

That is so cool .... thanks
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Adami on February 22, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
And Myung just stands there.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on February 23, 2017, 12:26:50 AM
I put up an extended version of the video so you see more of the beginning of it as well. I haven't found the entire beginning.

https://youtu.be/n5EgzNnwJdo
Awesome! :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 23, 2017, 06:01:18 AM
And Myung just stands there.
"..."
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Samsara on February 23, 2017, 09:09:56 AM
And Myung just stands there.

Inwardly, you know he wants to make a move for the popcorn. But if he did, he'd actually show emotion, which is an absolute no-no.  :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: RoeDent on February 23, 2017, 09:57:45 AM
And Myung just stands there.

Inwardly, you know he wants to make a move for the popcorn. But if he did, he'd actually show emotion, which is an absolute no-no.  :lol

This scene needs a freezeframe, followed by R Kelly, "My mind's tellin' me no...BUT MY BODY..."
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: pcs90 on February 23, 2017, 04:42:58 PM
That popcorn prank is hilarious.

Not sure if this has been discussed already, but I checked out a bootleg of a recent show and the jam at the end of Learning to Live was cut. Are they no longer doing it?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: vtgrad on February 24, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16903508_1388222451253092_1394019594551676551_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=1093bf4290da54db8214f0dd37502941&oe=5948BA5E)

Story time! James is about to start talking about the past. All of a sudden we see some shadows moving in the dark. A bucket of popcorn appears on stage, and JP, JR and MM go sit around it, urging James to continue his story. At one point JP even lies down on his stomach with his head perched on his hands. He tells James that it's damn good popcorn. James finishes the story - and the bucket it's passed to the audience - and the next song is starting.

Hilarious. JP orchestrated this prank on James.

That is why these guys are so special... to me at least.  How blessed are we to have them?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on February 26, 2017, 01:26:37 AM
Helsinki tomorrow! :metal I'll be there as a representative of the media.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: perfey on February 26, 2017, 07:44:40 AM
Thats great! Haha! I saw them in Stockholm! The concert was awesome! Really cool to see   SOC, 

SOC??

Yeah! JP warped time and space and they played SOC in alternative universe where there were a lot of salmons too!  :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: OctavariumElite on February 27, 2017, 03:16:53 AM
Hello all,

I just wanted to know if anyone of you had information about James.

Because I saw the video from Oslo's performance, and it seems he has great difficulties  :omg:

I saw DT in Paris and everything was great, but listen to this ....  ???

What's going on with James ? Is he only very tired ? or "overtoured" like I read here and there ?

Hi from Paris :) (and just to let you know, I love James so there is no free bashing in my post :) )

Max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFYZ27MkLY (1mn30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oarMsa42w (2mn32 and next)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGBbl7VT7A (3mn33)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CB on February 27, 2017, 04:08:31 AM
Hello all,

I just wanted to know if anyone of you had information about James.

Because I saw the video from Oslo's performance, and it seems he has great difficulties  :omg:

I saw DT in Paris and everything was great, but listen to this ....  ???

What's going on with James ? Is he only very tired ? or "overtoured" like I read here and there ?

Hi from Paris :) (and just to let you know, I love James so there is no free bashing in my post :) )

Max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFYZ27MkLY (1mn30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oarMsa42w (2mn32 and next)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGBbl7VT7A (3mn33)

According to comments from norwegian fan club members he's ill. His voice was very affected at Stavanger and Oslo. I wonder if the illness he was fighting against since Tilburg came back worse after he first was getting much better. It's probably difficult to get healthy on the road, especially at this time of the year, bugs everywhere. Good for him that this leg of the tour ends today.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on February 27, 2017, 04:09:37 AM
I saw DT in Paris and everything was great, but listen to this ....  ???

What's going on with James ? Is he only very tired ? or "overtoured" like I read here and there ?

Hi from Paris :) (and just to let you know, I love James so there is no free bashing in my post :) )

Max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFYZ27MkLY (1mn30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oarMsa42w (2mn32 and next)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGBbl7VT7A (3mn33)

Yeah - he seems to be struggling, unfortunately. Maybe illness or throat problems, who knows? I think the vocals are the most physically sensitive aspect of the band - if you have a head cold you could probably still be fine to play guitar or drums, even if you feel like crap, but as a singer any sort of sickness may seriously mess with your ability to sing at 100%.

Plus, I'm sure the physical demands of doing these shows night after night, along with the high register of some of these 25 year old songs is draining.

I'm not making excuses, but I find myself staying away from these videos more and more. I can imagine that as an artist, it's hard to know that if you have an off-night or bad performance, it's going to be on YouTube in the morning.   :)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on February 27, 2017, 06:30:32 AM
According to comments from norwegian fan club members he's ill. His voice was very affected at Stavanger and Oslo. I wonder if the illness he was fighting against since Tilburg came back worse after he first was getting much better. It's probably difficult to get healthy on the road, especially at this time of the year, bugs everywhere. Good for him that this leg of the tour ends today.
Bummer, hopefully he'll be a little better tonight!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on February 27, 2017, 07:10:59 AM
When I was interviewing him earlier in the day, he had some troubles with slime and rattle in his lungs, he said, and the cold just would not let go. After the interview was over he more or less shouted "aaah, i'm tired of being sick".

But he did perform the last half of the show pretty darn good even considering the state he was in. Just unlucky.

The entire crew had been passing the bug around this tour.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on February 27, 2017, 08:09:59 AM
My brother saw him in Düsseldorf, and he was sick there. He (my brother) also made the comment "yeah, James seems to be 'sick' a lot these days..."
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on February 27, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
Well, considering the phlegm and coughing i heard earlier, alongside with the fact that all of the crew complained about having been sick...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CB on February 27, 2017, 04:29:07 PM
I doubt JLB faked the stuffy nose sound in some parts of the songs in Düsseldorf :laugh: Great show nonetheless, I think it was amazing what he did with the voice he had that evening.

He should keep away from the crew on the next leg of the tour...

seriously, I guess the other band members sometimes get ill on tour as well, but the audience just doesn't notice. The advantage of playing an instrument that's not part of the body.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on February 28, 2017, 12:49:50 AM
What can I say? Helsinki was great and it was cool to meet YtseJamittaja once again (albeit pretty briefly this time)! :tup

The first set was alright, but you could tell James was ill by how hoarse and scratchy his high register sounded, and he altered the vocal melodies of Gift and AIA to avoid the difficult parts. Luckily he improved as the show went on, nailing BAI and sounding alright for the most part on I&W and ACOS. The audience was pretty reserved during the first half, but once PMU started people went nuts, at least as much as a Finnish prog crowd can. :lol The highlights for me were Hell's Kitchen, TTT and ACOS. I'll post the link to a full review in a few days!
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Post by: V_R11 on February 28, 2017, 04:55:34 AM
What can I say? Helsinki was great and it was cool to meet YtseJamittaja once again (albeit pretty briefly this time)! :tup

The first set was alright, but you could tell James was ill by how hoarse and scratchy his high register sounded, and he altered the vocal melodies of Gift and AIA to avoid the difficult parts. Luckily he improved as the show went on, nailing BAI and sounding alright for the most part on I&W and ACOS. The audience was pretty reserved during the first half, but once PMU started people went nuts, at least as much as a Finnish prog crowd can. :lol The highlights for me were Hell's Kitchen, TTT and ACOS. I'll post the link to a full review in a few days!

Agreed. Helsinki was great. I got a little scared when JLB's voice failed him in the end of TGOM but even sick he did great,totally nailed some of it.Just imagine how well he would've done without this (his words) "BS virus" (He was tired at the m&g as well and adressed his throath issues, can't blame him, it must be really frustrating)
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Post by: JLa on March 01, 2017, 05:01:48 AM
Hello all,

I just wanted to know if anyone of you had information about James.

Because I saw the video from Oslo's performance, and it seems he has great difficulties  :omg:

I saw DT in Paris and everything was great, but listen to this ....  ???

What's going on with James ? Is he only very tired ? or "overtoured" like I read here and there ?

Hi from Paris :) (and just to let you know, I love James so there is no free bashing in my post :) )

Max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFYZ27MkLY (1mn30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oarMsa42w (2mn32 and next)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGBbl7VT7A (3mn33)
Wow, that's awful. Creds to JLB for giving 100%, "the show must go on" and all that, but I'm sort of glad I didn't go. There's a lot of clips from the Oslo gig on Youtube, I had a quick listen and... ouch. Those vocals would have ruined the show for me.

I love James' voice as much as anyone, but that's studio-James. Live-James, not so much!
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Post by: gzarruk on March 01, 2017, 01:37:53 PM
I love James' voice as much as anyone, but that's studio-James. Live-James, not so much!

I'm sad to say, but I agree  :-\
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Post by: ? on March 01, 2017, 01:56:50 PM
Agreed. Helsinki was great. I got a little scared when JLB's voice failed him in the end of TGOM but even sick he did great,totally nailed some of it.Just imagine how well he would've done without this (his words) "BS virus" (He was tired at the m&g as well and adressed his throath issues, can't blame him, it must be really frustrating)
Aww man, I could sense a little bit of frustration in him at a few points when he couldn't hit the notes and noticed him sipping water even during the shortest instrumental breaks. Poor guy, but at least he still handled the show professionally.

For anyone interested, Pearl Finland posted a livestream of most of the second half of the show on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/PearlFinland/videos/10155000604389400/ (the "unbroken spirit" verse was rough :-\)
https://www.facebook.com/PearlFinland/videos/10155000726154400/
https://www.facebook.com/PearlFinland/videos/10155000786479400/
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Post by: CB on March 01, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
I love James' voice as much as anyone, but that's studio-James. Live-James, not so much!

I'm sad to say, but I agree  :-\

Well, he never did a studio recording with slime and rattle in his lungs (or tired and exhausted from touring)

Attending a live show always means taking a risk, the best attitude imo is: Hope they're all healthy and in great shape, but if not, make the best of it and enjoy the good parts.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 01, 2017, 07:04:44 PM
Hello all,

I just wanted to know if anyone of you had information about James.

Because I saw the video from Oslo's performance, and it seems he has great difficulties  :omg:

I saw DT in Paris and everything was great, but listen to this ....  ???

What's going on with James ? Is he only very tired ? or "overtoured" like I read here and there ?

Hi from Paris :) (and just to let you know, I love James so there is no free bashing in my post :) )

Max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFYZ27MkLY (1mn30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oarMsa42w (2mn32 and next)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGBbl7VT7A (3mn33)
Wow, that's awful. Creds to JLB for giving 100%, "the show must go on" and all that, but I'm sort of glad I didn't go. There's a lot of clips from the Oslo gig on Youtube, I had a quick listen and... ouch. Those vocals would have ruined the show for me.

I love James' voice as much as anyone, but that's studio-James. Live-James, not so much!
Honestly, aside from the third clip, that wasn't anywhere near as bad as I was expecting. I remember seeing the clip of TtT from the opening night of this current tour, and JL butchered the melodies big time in that notorious second verse. What he did here was far better, especially considering that he was sick. I'd rather see him modify the melodies to something doable than try to sing the original melodies and fall way short.
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Post by: ? on March 02, 2017, 07:01:59 AM
Photos from Helsinki (https://www.musicalypse.net/dream-theater-jaahalli-ice-hall-helsinki-27-02-2017/), report coming tomorrow!
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Post by: mikeyd23 on March 02, 2017, 07:08:14 AM
Photos from Helsinki (https://www.musicalypse.net/dream-theater-jaahalli-ice-hall-helsinki-27-02-2017/), report coming tomorrow!

Great pics! Looking forward to the review!
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Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2017, 09:38:34 AM
Honestly, aside from the third clip, that wasn't anywhere near as bad as I was expecting. I remember seeing the clip of TtT from the opening night of this current tour, and JL butchered the melodies big time in that notorious second verse. What he did here was far better, especially considering that he was sick. I'd rather see him modify the melodies to something doable than try to sing the original melodies and fall way short.

That's always the rub.  I'm with you, Scotty.  But it's a tough call in terms of what some fans want and how far is too far a deviation.  For example, I for one LOVE what he did at the climax of Learning To Live on LSFNY.  But as you know, plenty of fans are to this day completely bent out of shape that he changed it up and didn't go for the F#, as if hitting the F# is, in and of itself, somehow a make or break moment for that song.  I'm perfectly fine with the fact that he recognized that he wasn't likely to hit it and instead went for a different melody instead.  The result is, for me, one of my favorite live versions of the song ever recorded.  So I am in full agreement with your premise.  But there are plenty who just feel that takes away from the song to deviate much from the original melody.
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Post by: mike099 on March 02, 2017, 11:09:20 AM
Thanks for the pictures!  Now I am wondering if DT will take this part of the tour to the US before going in the studio to record a new album.   Those pants that James is wearing :lol
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Post by: rumborak on March 02, 2017, 03:15:45 PM
bosk, entirely agree. I love that he changes the melodies to account for the changed parameters of his voice. In fact, I wish he changed it even more, because sometimes those changes still feel a bit ad hoc.
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Post by: ? on March 04, 2017, 01:50:34 AM
Thanks for the pictures!
Great pics! Looking forward to the review!
Thanks, our photographer is talented! :D Here's my review (https://www.musicalypse.net/dream-theater-jaahalli-ice-hall-helsinki-27-02-2017-english/) at last!
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Post by: Zukuduku on March 04, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
Thanks, our photographer is talented! :D Here's my review (https://www.musicalypse.net/dream-theater-jaahalli-ice-hall-helsinki-27-02-2017-english/) at last!
Well written, sums up my feelings as well from the show. The second set and encore was one of the best, if not the best, DT show that I have seen. During the first set I was a bit unsure of my feelings, as MM was playing way too safe and JLB's throat infection seemed quite severe. But MM played the second show totally flawlessly and JLB also improved.

I'm still amazed how well the band played the songs. Even by DT standards the playing was very high quality and I could spot only a few small mistakes along the way. So my suggestion to the band would be to emphasize the virtuoso prog aspect even more in the live shows.
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Post by: TAC on March 04, 2017, 03:47:14 PM
Has the plexi glass been on Mike's set the whole tour? Didn't notice it before. Wonder if they were recording?
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Post by: mikeyd23 on March 05, 2017, 10:30:20 AM
Has the plexi glass been on Mike's set the whole tour? Didn't notice it before. Wonder if they were recording?

The glass has been there this whole tour and I believe the whole TA tour as well. I'd guess they are shielding some of the sound from his high toms and cymbals from spilling into the vocal mic when James is singing in front of the kit.
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Post by: rumborak on March 05, 2017, 03:07:14 PM
Makes me wonder how loud in general it actually is onstage. They all have in-ear monitors now, so arguably they could make it dead quiet on stage (of course there's still the main speakers reflection).
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 05, 2017, 03:50:38 PM
Has the plexi glass been on Mike's set the whole tour? Didn't notice it before. Wonder if they were recording?

The glass has been there this whole tour and I believe the whole TA tour as well. I'd guess they are shielding some of the sound from his high toms and cymbals from spilling into the vocal mic when James is singing in front of the kit.
Perhaps there's some functionality to them, altho I wonder if some of it is just to tie in to the design of the NOMACs. The pieces of plexi-glass look suspiciously similar to the screens with eyeballs on them found on the NOMACs.
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
Tons of bands use that plexi glass around the drums on tour. It's just to help stop mic bleeding. No deep meanings.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 05, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Tons of bands use that plexi glass around the drums on tour. It's just to help stop mic bleeding. No deep meanings.
That's true - I remember they did that on Scott Rockenfield's kit for the Promised Land tour. But if they use plexi-glass around the kit, they usually surround most of the kit with it, right? With MM's kit, it's just in a few spots, and two of them don't seem to block anything specifically.
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2017, 04:05:11 PM
Got a pic?
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Post by: TAC on March 05, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
Got a pic?

Photos from Helsinki (https://www.musicalypse.net/dream-theater-jaahalli-ice-hall-helsinki-27-02-2017/), report coming tomorrow!
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Gotcha. Seems focused on the cymbals and the overhead mics.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on March 06, 2017, 06:43:06 AM
Gotcha. Seems focused on the cymbals and the overhead mics.

Right, and cymbals often can bleed into the vocal mic when in front of the drums. I think that's all it is.
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Post by: gzarruk on March 06, 2017, 08:45:00 AM
Gotcha. Seems focused on the cymbals and the overhead mics.

Right, and cymbals often can bleed into the vocal mic when in front of the drums. I think that's all it is.

That's the reason, indeed. I remembered reading it somewhere, so looked for the article and found it: https://www.fohonline.com/ci/50-production-profile/14946-dream-theater-the-astonshing-live-north-american-tour.html

It's kind of an interview/profile of the DT crew for the TA tour. Here's what they said about the plexiglass in the kit:

Quote
One interesting application of simple-but-effective technology comes with Mangini’s monster 16-piece drum kit, which has some clear Plexiglas panels hung in front of the set. “They have really helped shield some of the cymbal sound out of the vocal mics,” notes Wilson. “It’s just four (18” x 24” and 12” x 24”) suspended panels and it’s really helped the vocal monitor mix. Without these, the vocal mic turns into a cymbal overhead. It’s not like a big glass wall blocking the drummer and it looks awesome onstage.”
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Post by: rumborak on March 06, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
I don't keep track of these things, but how far in advance do they usually announce tour dates? It seems odd to not know any concerts beyond May, in March.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on March 06, 2017, 09:27:17 AM
Gotcha. Seems focused on the cymbals and the overhead mics.

Right, and cymbals often can bleed into the vocal mic when in front of the drums. I think that's all it is.

That's the reason, indeed. I remembered reading it somewhere, so looked for the article and found it: https://www.fohonline.com/ci/50-production-profile/14946-dream-theater-the-astonshing-live-north-american-tour.html

It's kind of an interview/profile of the DT crew for the TA tour. Here's what they said about the plexiglass in the kit:

Quote
One interesting application of simple-but-effective technology comes with Mangini’s monster 16-piece drum kit, which has some clear Plexiglas panels hung in front of the set. “They have really helped shield some of the cymbal sound out of the vocal mics,” notes Wilson. “It’s just four (18” x 24” and 12” x 24”) suspended panels and it’s really helped the vocal monitor mix. Without these, the vocal mic turns into a cymbal overhead. It’s not like a big glass wall blocking the drummer and it looks awesome onstage.”

That was a great article, thanks for the link. And yea, I guess that pretty much confirms what they were using the plexi for.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2017, 09:27:48 AM
I don't keep track of these things, but how far in advance do they usually announce tour dates? It seems odd to not know any concerts beyond May, in March.

They teased us right around Christmas with NA dates soon.... it's been awhile.  I wonder what's up.
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Post by: CB on March 06, 2017, 02:55:43 PM
I don't keep track of these things, but how far in advance do they usually announce tour dates? It seems odd to not know any concerts beyond May, in March.

They teased us right around Christmas with NA dates soon.... it's been awhile.  I wonder what's up.

A few days ago JR confirmed that there definitely will be a NA tour but they don't know the dates yet. Strange, that must be difficult for the band as well.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2017, 03:16:51 PM
I don't keep track of these things, but how far in advance do they usually announce tour dates? It seems odd to not know any concerts beyond May, in March.

They teased us right around Christmas with NA dates soon.... it's been awhile.  I wonder what's up.

A few days ago JR confirmed that there definitely will be a NA tour but they don't know the dates yet. Strange, that must be difficult for the band as well.

Yea I definitely don't think it was a lie or ill meaning by teasing us, but it does make me wonder if there is some struggle with figuring this out.  Giving the timing before, I had assumed a summer tour, but it seems fall is more likely as all the summer tours are being announced.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bosk1 on March 09, 2017, 07:13:27 AM
If summer, I would assume late summer, simply because they usually do festivals.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2017, 09:12:58 AM
When I talked to the band at the last Astonishing show, James said that I&W shows for North America probably wouldn't be until fall 2017.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 09, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
Yeah, that makes the most sense.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2017, 09:58:04 AM
But it would be awesome if they would go ahead and release those dates.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 09, 2017, 02:12:17 PM
Maybe they're holding off on announcing the dates until they have everything completely booked, so that there's not the dribbling of dates that happened last year which irritated some fans that bought tickets for one show, only to find out that a show (much) closer to them was announced later.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 09, 2017, 02:15:52 PM
Yeah, I know JP was sensitive to how much it bothered people last time around.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on March 09, 2017, 02:20:19 PM
^ Good call. I'd much rather wait and have them release all the dates at once, rather than get some dates sooner and some later.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
That's cool.
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Post by: Sycsa on March 15, 2017, 12:33:42 PM
Maybe they're holding off on announcing the dates until they have everything completely booked, so that there's not the dribbling of dates that happened last year which irritated some fans that bought tickets for one show, only to find out that a show (much) closer to them was announced later.
Funny thing, I literally had the tix in the shopping cart for the Budapest show, which is a 12 hour train ride away. I was filling in my credit card info, but for some reason I stopped and didn't confirm the order. Figured I'd wait a few more days, maybe they'll announce somewhere closer. Right on cue, the very next morning they announced a show in my hometown. Dodged a huge one there.
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Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on March 27, 2017, 04:21:17 AM
Just got my tix for London show in the post this morning.  Says Dream Theater Plus Special Guests on the ticket.  Have they added a support act?  I caught the show in Paris last month and there were no support acts.  Also it says on the tickets Doors 7pm, no way there would even be time for a support act plus 2 sets from DT.

Anyone else seeing the same on their tickets?
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Post by: krands85 on March 27, 2017, 05:33:18 AM
Just got my tix for London show in the post this morning.  Says Dream Theater Plus Special Guests on the ticket.  Have they added a support act?  I caught the show in Paris last month and there were no support acts.  Also it says on the tickets Doors 7pm, no way there would even be time for a support act plus 2 sets from DT.

Anyone else seeing the same on their tickets?
Always seems to say that on tickets. It'll stlil just be DT  :tup
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Post by: Lazlow Panaflex on March 27, 2017, 07:30:08 AM
Just got my tix for London show in the post this morning.  Says Dream Theater Plus Special Guests on the ticket.  Have they added a support act?  I caught the show in Paris last month and there were no support acts.  Also it says on the tickets Doors 7pm, no way there would even be time for a support act plus 2 sets from DT.

Anyone else seeing the same on their tickets?
Always seems to say that on tickets. It'll stlil just be DT  :tup

Ah cool, fair enough.  Unless....maybe we're the special guests?!   ;)
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Post by: the-glass-prison on March 29, 2017, 12:23:50 PM
Ordered my Glasgow ticket the day they went on sale through the DT website. Still no ticket as yet. Think it's a company called songkick that's dealing with them. Anyone received theirs that ordered this way? My Manchester ticket from ticketmaster arrived 3 days after I ordered it.
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Post by: SwedishGoose on March 29, 2017, 02:09:20 PM
Ordered my Glasgow ticket the day they went on sale through the DT website. Still no ticket as yet. Think it's a company called songkick that's dealing with them. Anyone received theirs that ordered this way? My Manchester ticket from ticketmaster arrived 3 days after I ordered it.

I have bought tickets like that and they were picked up at the venue on the day.
Check what your confirmation mail says.
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Post by: McNugg on March 30, 2017, 03:34:06 AM
My mate bought our tickets for the Glasgow gig on the day they were released and he got the tickets within 2 weeks of buying them I believe.  I'll double check with him incase i'm remembering incorrectly.  Maybe  there was an option for printing your own e-tickets instead?  If not, you best get in touch with them.
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Post by: Vlasto on March 30, 2017, 03:10:48 PM
setlist keeps unchanged ..or ?
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Post by: mike099 on April 01, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
I would love to see this tour come to the southern us, but would rather have a new album, preferably heavy.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: V_R11 on April 02, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
I would love to see this tour come to the southern us, but would rather have a new album, preferably heavy.

I've been thinking how much I would love sort of a TOT part 2. Hopefully for 2019. Or late 2018
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Post by: dodido253 on April 06, 2017, 03:17:59 PM
www.podiuminfo.nl/news/40445/Show_Dream_Theater_in_AFAS_Live_verplaatst_naar_013/

They changed the location of the show at 25th April- ASAF Amsterdam to Tilburg..
Seems strange
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Post by: CB on April 06, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
www.podiuminfo.nl/news/40445/Show_Dream_Theater_in_AFAS_Live_verplaatst_naar_013/

They changed the location of the show at 25th April- ASAF Amsterdam to Tilburg..
Seems strange

Not enough tickets sold? :sad:
Now I'm glad I didn't get a ticket (plus hotel booking in Amsterdam) for that show.
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Post by: Mladen on April 06, 2017, 11:41:17 PM
Doesn't Tilburg always have bigger crowds? Remember Transatlantic, Flying Colors and Steven Wilson.
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Post by: rumborak on April 09, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
It definitely is a venue with only 2200  capacity, vs AFAS which is 5500.
The story isn't all that different in Germany either. They're not playing in Cologne or Oberhausen (where they usually play), but instead in "Lingen" and "Geiselwind", two podunk towns I had to look up in Google Maps.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 12, 2017, 06:25:45 AM
www.podiuminfo.nl/news/40445/Show_Dream_Theater_in_AFAS_Live_verplaatst_naar_013/

They changed the location of the show at 25th April- ASAF Amsterdam to Tilburg..
Seems strange

I'm puzzled as well. It says 'organisationary reasons' or something so yeah, the sales must have been dissapointing. Costs me about an hour extra traveltime.   :(
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: dodido253 on April 12, 2017, 03:01:31 PM
www.podiuminfo.nl/news/40445/Show_Dream_Theater_in_AFAS_Live_verplaatst_naar_013/

They changed the location of the show at 25th April- ASAF Amsterdam to Tilburg..
Seems strange

I'm puzzled as well. It says 'organisationary reasons' or something so yeah, the sales must have been dissapointing. Costs me about an hour extra traveltime.   :(

I'm flying all the way from Israel to see them.. already booked flight and hotel at Amsterdam.
I have no choice to accept the reality and take a train.. but I have no doubt that it will be worth the effort :metal 
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 13, 2017, 02:11:19 AM
Wow, that's very commendable! I shouldn't bitch about the extra distance, really. But I'm worried if it is indeed because of dwindling ticket sales.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CB on April 13, 2017, 05:44:01 PM
It definitely is a venue with only 2200  capacity, vs AFAS which is 5500.
The story isn't all that different in Germany either. They're not playing in Cologne or Oberhausen (where they usually play), but instead in "Lingen" and "Geiselwind", two podunk towns I had to look up in Google Maps.

I guess the ticket sales for Amsterdam would have been much better if they hadn't just played a (sold out) show in Tilburg in february. Most fans don't see the same show twice.

They haven't played in Cologne or Oberhausen for a long time, but they usually play in Düsseldorf ... Lingen and Geiselwind are podunk towns, I was very surprised to see them on a DT tour list, but the venues are quite big (capacity in Lingen almost 5.000, in Geiselwind 4.500).
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Post by: gzarruk on April 14, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
The 2nd leg of the European tour starts next week, should we expect a couple changes on the setlist?
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Post by: Mladen on April 14, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
Most likely not. It's been almost five years since the last time they switched songs around.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 14, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
Most likely not. It's been almost five years since the last time they switched songs around.

Aren't we allowed to dream?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on April 14, 2017, 02:13:39 PM
Of course. But expecting isn't dreaming.  ;)
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Post by: bosk1 on April 14, 2017, 02:21:03 PM
It's another leg, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a change here or there.  I haven't been in touch with the band, so I don't know if they are planning on changing things up at all.  But it wouldn't shock me if they made a couple of tweaks to the "...and more" part of the set.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Most likely not. It's been almost five years since the last time they switched songs around.

Not true.  They switched things at the end of the TA tour (adding three older songs as the encore and cutting a few TA songs). :biggrin:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on April 17, 2017, 10:54:13 AM
Yeah, that was quite a radical move in terms of making the set list fresh and different.  :lol

But technically, you're right.  ;D
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SwedishGoose on April 17, 2017, 10:49:49 PM
What about the second leg of the european TA tour?
They threw out most of what they had played on the first leg (only kept 3 songs) and replaced that with completely different songs most of them from way back in time...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 18, 2017, 03:39:09 AM
And then TSCO and ALLB were dropped...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: jonny108 on April 18, 2017, 06:11:17 PM
Anyone going to the Manchester show? Going on my tod so if anybody wants to meet for a beer I'm game. 
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Fredo96993 on April 19, 2017, 05:34:43 PM
I just got back from the Manchester show. My dad has seen them in 2000, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 and three times in 2014 and he thought it was the best show he's seen them play. I really enjoyed my three AFTR shows but this was even better. The band seemed to be having a lot of fun and there was a lot of joking about. I will add more about that tomorrow but the best bit was before WFS when JP sat on JLB's knee and said "Tell me a story uncle James." JR then played a lullaby tune.
In terms of musical extras the end of As I Am had One and Master of Puppets snippets (drumming from "darkness imprisoning me" and the main riff of MOP on guitar) and the end of LtL had a Cygnus X-1 excerpt (I think it's Part Three, the bit on R40 when it comes back in after the drum solo).
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on April 19, 2017, 07:33:47 PM
I just got back from the Manchester show. My dad has seen them in 2000, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 and three times in 2014 and he thought it was the best show he's seen them play. I really enjoyed my three AFTR shows but this was even better. The band seemed to be having a lot of fun and there was a lot of joking about. I will add more about that tomorrow but the best bit was before WFS when JP sat on JLB's knee and said "Tell me a story uncle James." JR then played a lullaby tune.
In terms of musical extras the end of As I Am had One and Master of Puppets snippets (drumming from "darkness imprisoning me" and the main riff of MOP on guitar) and the end of LtL had a Cygnus X-1 excerpt (I think it's Part Three, the bit on R40 when it comes back in after the drum solo).

Wow, that's great to hear! It's nice to see how people love these shows, hope I'm able to see them live someday. Thanks for sharing your experience with us  :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lordnafaryus on April 20, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
I just got back from the Manchester show. My dad has seen them in 2000, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 and three times in 2014 and he thought it was the best show he's seen them play. I really enjoyed my three AFTR shows but this was even better. The band seemed to be having a lot of fun and there was a lot of joking about. I will add more about that tomorrow but the best bit was before WFS when JP sat on JLB's knee and said "Tell me a story uncle James." JR then played a lullaby tune.
In terms of musical extras the end of As I Am had One and Master of Puppets snippets (drumming from "darkness imprisoning me" and the main riff of MOP on guitar) and the end of LtL had a Cygnus X-1 excerpt (I think it's Part Three, the bit on R40 when it comes back in after the drum solo).

Sounds like a great night, I'm seeing them for the first time in Cardiff on Saturday, can't wait  :laugh:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: onnet5 on April 20, 2017, 04:43:13 AM
Went Manchester last night, great show, James sounded good and he's definitely changed some of the vocal melodies on the extra strenuous stuff to preserve his voice but he still belted out a lot of the difficult sections so credit to him. Seemed they had a couple of technical issues with their monitors I'm guessing, most notably with James on Pull me Under, and Petrucci also got out of place but it sounded great!

Rudess also swapped out his keytar for a keytar with 2 ipads attached to it, is this something new?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lowdz on April 20, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
I can cr towers excellent last night in Manchester. James is doing a great job at the moment - even if he fucks up PMU 😀
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Another_Won on April 20, 2017, 06:59:25 AM
. . .  a keytar with 2 ipads attached to it, is this something new?
I'm trying to picture what that would look like.  Seems like it would be really awkward and cumbersome.  Would love to see a picture.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: onnet5 on April 20, 2017, 08:49:05 AM
. . .  a keytar with 2 ipads attached to it, is this something new?
I'm trying to picture what that would look like.  Seems like it would be really awkward and cumbersome.  Would love to see a picture.

It looked awkward he had to balance it on his knee.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: CB on April 20, 2017, 10:44:44 AM
. . .  a keytar with 2 ipads attached to it, is this something new?
I'm trying to picture what that would look like.  Seems like it would be really awkward and cumbersome.  Would love to see a picture.
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at 3:00  (only pictures, I'd love to see a video of that!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixZYhqK7ibc



Some great videos from the Manchester gig:

The bigger picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Ifu0beg-s

Surrounded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hRUci8LWk

Wait for sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQKxgafeXDw

JP solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaSE-UMJJCw



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Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Another_Won on April 20, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
Thanks!  That is as awkward as I imagined :lol
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lowdz on April 20, 2017, 11:54:05 AM
. . .  a keytar with 2 ipads attached to it, is this something new?
I'm trying to picture what that would look like.  Seems like it would be really awkward and cumbersome.  Would love to see a picture.

Your wish is my command. Not my pic, but from Manchester last night.

https://flic.kr/p/TZcYKN

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: genome on April 20, 2017, 01:02:02 PM
Just got back from Manchester, was over visiting a friend so we managed to fit in a DT show with it  :biggrin:

It was a really enjoyable show. Great vibe and great energy, sound generally was spot on (though maybe a touch overloud and James could've come down in the mix a little) - drums were really punchy and my god JP's new signature amp sounded EPIC  :hefdaddy I mean like, mountainously huge. Much better than the Palladium gigs (but I guess that's the theatre PA for you).

Top highlights were:

TDEN - really tight, especially for an opener
Hell's Kitchen - had reservations about this after watching some videos on Youtube and some other reviews, but they nailed it, and the energy definitely went up in the room afterwards
BAI - The best version of the solo I have witnessed - and I have seen this song performed 4 times before last night
Take the Time - Great jam section at the end

There were a few mistakes, JLB coming in at the wrong time in Pull Me Under, and Mangini cocked up a bit of Metropolis and Learning to Live, the latter very nearly being a proper trainwreck, but they pulled it back. Also, rather funny when the soundguy didn't realise JP had started the beginning of ACOS and had to gradually fade him in  :rollin

Nitpicking though. It was probably the most I enjoyed a DT show since perhaps 2012. Definitely at least top 3 all-time. Great stuff - now tempted with London on Sunday...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Lowdz on April 20, 2017, 01:13:20 PM
. . .  a keytar with 2 ipads attached to it, is this something new?
I'm trying to picture what that would look like.  Seems like it would be really awkward and cumbersome.  Would love to see a picture.


Sorted, sort of. See post above.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: devieira73 on April 20, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
Hell's Kitchen - had reservations about this after watching some videos on Youtube and some other reviews, but they nailed it, and the energy definitely went up in the room afterwards

Did you noticed if Mangini played HK like he was playing it on tour or like the studio version? Thanks!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the-glass-prison on April 20, 2017, 04:58:48 PM
PMU was fixed tonight.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Peter Mc on April 21, 2017, 06:39:04 AM
Went to Manchester on Wed night and was up there with my favourite DT shows I've seen, wouldn't go as far as the best but right up there.

I went in there thinking the first set was not going to be that inspired but by the end of it, I remember turning to my mate and saying I'd actually have been pretty happy if that was the show and we still have Images and ACOS to come.  Petrucci was just in incredible form, his guitar sounded amazing, gorgeous tone and crystal clear in the mix.  Jordan was a bit drowned out at times though.  Hells Kitchen was the highlight of set one for me but really enjoyed hearing The Bigger Picture for the first time and Breaking All Illusions was awesome with Petrucci starring again.

Images and Words sounded great, James did tone certain vocal parts down in the early songs up to and including Take The Time (that Petrucci solo at the end was something else) but he just altered the melody a little at those points and it sounded fine.  He seemed to really go for it afterwards, hitting everything in UAGM and LTL in particular, can't say for sure with Metropolis but don't remember him not going for big notes.  Seemed to warm to the task as the album progressed.  Very very impressed with JLB singing these 25 year old songs pretty much as they were on the record at his age.  I really didn't notice errors from Mangini in Metropolis or LTL, thought they were incredible and very far from being a train wreck.

ACOS was just spine-tingling, that's all I can say.

All in all a special show for DT (and I've seen them on every tour from FII onwards) and would recommend all fans to see this.  If I'm being greedy, I would have loved Mike Portnoy to have been there for this tour more than any of the others.  This is not a slight in any way on Mangini who was stunning, just purely for sentimental reasons and particularly with I&W and ACOS being played in full, would have been great to see MP celebrating this stuff.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Peter Mc on April 21, 2017, 06:44:41 AM
Should also add that this was as engaging a front man as James has ever been, really enjoyed him on the night.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: genome on April 21, 2017, 06:49:06 AM
I really didn't notice errors from Mangini in Metropolis or LTL, thought they were incredible and very far from being a train wreck.

Really? He got completely lost! It sounded really obvious to me and the people on my row were looking at each other wondering what was going on!

After the song he came out from the drum kit looking embarrassed (in a playful way) and started hitting his hand in frustration  :lol

Agree with the rest of your review though  :tup
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the_silent_man on April 21, 2017, 09:20:16 AM
Hi all,

Regular lurker in the background here but rarely post, however I am a big fan of most of the discussion here.

I have a query regarding the UK shows the last few days. I was wondering what time the shows finished (and what time they begun for reference).

Along with a few friends, I am going to the Cardiff show tomorrow night. Doors are at 6:30 (which is early), so i presume the show will begin 7-7:30? Only thing is, the last train home for us is at 11:05pm. I'm really hoping the gig finishes with enough time for us to hit this train.

Does anyone have any insight on this who's been to shows the last few days? Have they started at similar times and if so, what time was the finish. Thanks.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: krands85 on April 21, 2017, 09:50:31 AM
Hi all,

Regular lurker in the background here but rarely post, however I am a big fan of most of the discussion here.

I have a query regarding the UK shows the last few days. I was wondering what time the shows finished (and what time they begun for reference).

Along with a few friends, I am going to the Cardiff show tomorrow night. Doors are at 6:30 (which is early), so i presume the show will begin 7-7:30? Only thing is, the last train home for us is at 11:05pm. I'm really hoping the gig finishes with enough time for us to hit this train.

Does anyone have any insight on this who's been to shows the last few days? Have they started at similar times and if so, what time was the finish. Thanks.
I believe they've all been about 8pm-10.45pm. But that does seem like an early door time (Glasgow last night was 7pm).

I'd check with the venue on the day, they might have an earlier curfew than normal. Have a look on the Facebook/twitter pages of the venue and the promoter - Glasgow's venue posted the show times on its FB page yesterday.

It was a brilliant show last night anyway - seeing my favourite album in full and finally getting to hear Learning to Live and Metropolis live was incredible. Plus I managed to get a great seat in the second row, right opposite JP. Great performance all round, James did really well and I think he made smart choices with the alterations of some of the vocal lines. I always love watching Mangini's hilarious facial expressions too  :lol The little alterations from the studio versions of some of the songs were nice as well.

Definitely my favourite DT show I've seen.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: onnet5 on April 21, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
Hi all,

Regular lurker in the background here but rarely post, however I am a big fan of most of the discussion here.

I have a query regarding the UK shows the last few days. I was wondering what time the shows finished (and what time they begun for reference).

Along with a few friends, I am going to the Cardiff show tomorrow night. Doors are at 6:30 (which is early), so i presume the show will begin 7-7:30? Only thing is, the last train home for us is at 11:05pm. I'm really hoping the gig finishes with enough time for us to hit this train.

Does anyone have any insight on this who's been to shows the last few days? Have they started at similar times and if so, what time was the finish. Thanks.

Was as follows in Manchester:

Set 1: 20:00
Interval: 21:00 - 21:20
Set 2 + Encore: 21:20 - 23:00
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: McNugg on April 21, 2017, 10:34:48 AM
Was the same in Glasgow.  Doors open at 7, show start at 8 and end at 11.

Got to say my main thought coming out of the show was how impressed I was with Mike Mangini.  He was so animated and into the music, couldn't take my eyes off him.  Filled the music with enough of his own parts but still stuck to what the songs needed when required.  He just had this childish look of sheer joy on his face for most of the show that was so great to see :D
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: V_R11 on April 21, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
Was the same in Glasgow.  Doors open at 7, show start at 8 and end at 11.

Got to say my main thought coming out of the show was how impressed I was with Mike Mangini.  He was so animated and into the music, couldn't take my eyes off him.  Filled the music with enough of his own parts but still stuck to what the songs needed when required.  He just had this childish look of sheer joy on his face for most of the show that was so great to see :D

Honestly watching Mangini perform is fun. He is clearly so into it and excited and unlike the other guys actually smiles multiple times on stage. He said in an interview it's because he sees how much the fans are enjoying it, that's the reason he has fun

He was like that when I met him at the m&g as well. That was probably the highlight of it for me, MM being all cheery like a child. I love it
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on April 21, 2017, 02:17:44 PM
Was the same in Glasgow.  Doors open at 7, show start at 8 and end at 11.

Got to say my main thought coming out of the show was how impressed I was with Mike Mangini.  He was so animated and into the music, couldn't take my eyes off him.  Filled the music with enough of his own parts but still stuck to what the songs needed when required.  He just had this childish look of sheer joy on his face for most of the show that was so great to see :D

Honestly watching Mangini perform is fun. He is clearly so into it and excited and unlike the other guys actually smiles multiple times on stage. He said in an interview it's because he sees how much the fans are enjoying it, that's the reason he has fun

He was like that when I met him at the m&g as well. That was probably the highlight of it for me, MM being all cheery like a child. I love it

And that's even more impressive, considering all the criticism he still gets even after almost 7 years in the band. Great drumming + great attitude = Mike Mangini.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: devieira73 on April 21, 2017, 04:02:52 PM
To anyone who already saw this leg of tour, Mangini modified his approach to HK, playing closer to the studio version?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lordnafaryus on April 22, 2017, 03:57:06 AM
Hi all,

Regular lurker in the background here but rarely post, however I am a big fan of most of the discussion here.

I have a query regarding the UK shows the last few days. I was wondering what time the shows finished (and what time they begun for reference).

Along with a few friends, I am going to the Cardiff show tomorrow night. Doors are at 6:30 (which is early), so i presume the show will begin 7-7:30? Only thing is, the last train home for us is at 11:05pm. I'm really hoping the gig finishes with enough time for us to hit this train.

Does anyone have any insight on this who's been to shows the last few days? Have they started at similar times and if so, what time was the finish. Thanks.


I'm going to the Cardiff show tonight too, can't wait! I'm in the same situation, Motorpoint are saying the show is scheduled to finish at 11pm and my last possible train home is around 11:07 so I may have to miss some/all of the encore so as not to miss the train :(
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lucasembarbosa on April 22, 2017, 04:51:48 AM
To anyone who already saw this leg of tour, Mangini modified his approach to HK, playing closer to the studio version?
There's a video on YT with some excerpts from the show of April 18th or 19th... He got pretty much closer to the original track than during the first leg! If I find it again I'll post here.


Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5BEcahu2Q
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: devieira73 on April 22, 2017, 08:06:37 AM
Although the song isn't complete on that video, it seems he's playing all the nuances of the cymbals now, which is very good!!!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SeRoX on April 22, 2017, 08:13:53 AM
Judging by YT videos James seems more energic and powerful on the stage. I like the vocal changes for the hard parts. But he still throws nice high notes as well.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Jinx on April 22, 2017, 06:21:11 PM
Just got back from Cardiff. Like half the venue was cut off and there were still many many empty seats.

Where I was in the stand all of the stage gear was piled on one side of the stage so we couldnt see Jordan. Attendance was so down they literally moved the whole block into the middle seating. The whole thing was a bit of a disaster to be honest.

The band however were on fire! Just to let you know James nailed everything and those bits he had been struggling on he has cleverly change to suit him.

James rambled on and on and they had to cut the James/Jordan jam at the end of LTL.  :D

Mike Mangini is just awesome and fun to watch, the solo was amazing!

Being all seated in the middle kills a bit of the atmosphere for me - and like I said there were plenty of empty seats everywhere. Cant think what the band must've thought. I was begging for a small group to stand and for the rest to follow suit!

Highlights for me were Take The Time, Metropolis and ACOS.

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lordnafaryus on April 22, 2017, 06:55:45 PM
Cardiff was incredible, my first DT show and absolutely worth the wait!

Everything sounded great, and it was especially decent to really hear/feel Myung's bass in the live sound, 'As I AM' was particularly great and he was really going for it.

James sounded amazing! The way some people describe him on here I wasn't 100% sure what to expect but he blew me away. He was only slightly restrained in places ('Take the Time' and 'Under a Glass Moon', with the exception of the final chorus) but mostly he really went for it, 'Learning to Live' in particular sounded incredible, and pretty close to the record for most of it.

Drum solo was awesome, and Petrucci is just an animal, note perfect all night.

As Jinx says, the show wasn't sold out and you could see empty seats, but tbf every gig I've been to at Motorpoint looks like it isn't full, it's just a crazy big arena, but the crowd was into it.

And James promised they'd come back to Wales next week.... Though he may have been kidding  :D

I could go on, but I'm just rambling, so happy I finally got to see this band!  :tup
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: the_silent_man on April 23, 2017, 04:14:21 AM
So, got back from the Cardiff gig last night and really enjoyed! It was the 6th time I've seen them and overall, I'd say it was possibly the best performance I'd seen from them.

They seem to really be having fun with this tour and I absolutely loved the inclusion of some of the extended jams and cover segments.
I would say that the entire band was on fire, but to me LaBrie stole the show. Awesome performance, and the best stage presence/crowd interaction I've seen from him. I love how he's taking the time (ha) to talk to the audience and tell funny stories on this tour, something I felt was really missing over the last few years. Along with the extended segments/covers/surprises, this is something I hope they continue with on other tours.

I was a bit worried beforehand about how it'd be without the video screens as I've been so used to them on their tours, but honestly, I really did not care at all, and it was actually great in the sense that it brought the attention back onto the band.

So overall, great show. Only downside was that we had to leave before the end of Change of Seasons (missing around 5 mins) due to the aforementioned issue with the last train. Usually, there would have been a train around the midnight mark, which would have been perfect, but there was work on the lines further up over the 3 weeks which unfortunately led to a reduced service.
Also, I really miss standing concerts. It just does not feel right to be sat down for a metal gig.

Anyway, those are small gripes, and I hope anyone else who catches this tour enjoys. A lot of fun to be had!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: 3rdday on April 23, 2017, 03:20:02 PM
.......

James rambled on and on and they had to cut the James/Jordan jam at the end of LTL.  :D

..............

They haven't been doing the that jam since quite early in the tour, have they? They didn't do it when I saw them in Stockholm either. Shame.

Anyway, as you've said last night was brilliant. The whole seated thing and the auditorium being half empty did seem a bit weird and I was a bit afraid the resultant slight lack of atmosphere might affect the band, but it it certainly didn't! James was easily the best I've heard him in the five times that I've seen DT and JP was absolutely awesome all night.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: wasteland on April 23, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
Just come back from the London gig! Derek Oliver attended the show, and he was invited to stand up from his seat and his instrumental role in securing the deal for IAW for the band was aknowledged by James in his pre-TTT talk.

Also, apparently the band consumed large quantities of rice when recording IAW because of an oversized order by JM.
Also, apparently IAW is best enjoyed sipping good champagne, as remarked by James reminiscing on the celebratory toast, courtesy of the late Mr. Portnoy Sr., at the ending of the recording process.
Also, JP was allegedly 5yo at the time IAW was written. Also allegedly, JM was 1 year old at same time, despite both men being born in 1967. Spacetime distortions intensify.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on April 23, 2017, 07:29:03 PM
Also, apparently the band consumed large quantities of rice when recording IAW because of an oversized order by JM.
Also, apparently IAW is best enjoyed sipping good champagne, as remarked by James reminiscing on the celebratory toast, courtesy of the late Mr. Portnoy Sr., at the ending of the recording process.
Also, JP was allegedly 5yo at the time IAW was written. Also allegedly, JM was 1 year old at same time, despite both men being born in 1967. Spacetime distortions intensify.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 24, 2017, 04:25:48 AM
Fantastic show! I managed to hop there on my crutches, every muscle in my body hurts this morning, and on balance I probably shouldn't have gone!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 24, 2017, 04:46:52 AM
Jealous of those that managed to get to any of the UK shows. It was working out too expensive for me to get across this time.

I wish they had included an Ireland date, but maybe next time..
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Peter Mc on April 24, 2017, 07:00:43 AM
I really didn't notice errors from Mangini in Metropolis or LTL, thought they were incredible and very far from being a train wreck.

Really? He got completely lost! It sounded really obvious to me and the people on my row were looking at each other wondering what was going on!

After the song he came out from the drum kit looking embarrassed (in a playful way) and started hitting his hand in frustration  :lol

Agree with the rest of your review though  :tup

Yeah, sorry, not saying that the mistakes weren't there, just that they were not all that noticeable to me and did not detract from my enjoyment of the songs.  Thought that the comment that LTL was almost a train wreck was a little unfair and OTT.  Thought both Metropolis and Learning to Live were amazing but just my opinion obviously.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Peter Mc on April 24, 2017, 07:05:18 AM
Just got back from Cardiff. Like half the venue was cut off and there were still many many empty seats.

Where I was in the stand all of the stage gear was piled on one side of the stage so we couldnt see Jordan. Attendance was so down they literally moved the whole block into the middle seating. The whole thing was a bit of a disaster to be honest.

The band however were on fire! Just to let you know James nailed everything and those bits he had been struggling on he has cleverly change to suit him.

James rambled on and on and they had to cut the James/Jordan jam at the end of LTL.  :D

Mike Mangini is just awesome and fun to watch, the solo was amazing!

Being all seated in the middle kills a bit of the atmosphere for me - and like I said there were plenty of empty seats everywhere. Cant think what the band must've thought. I was begging for a small group to stand and for the rest to follow suit!

Highlights for me were Take The Time, Metropolis and ACOS.

In defence of DT, I don't think they are an Arena level band in the UK and would not fill any of the big arenas, the same happens when they play Wembley Arena from what I heard.  I saw them in Manchester in a large theatre and didn't notice too many empty seats (couldn't see upstairs though) and that's about their level.  Never been to Cardiff Arena so don't know how big it is or if there is an alternative venue they could play there.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 07:37:15 AM
Birmingham wasn't too different though, and that venue holds 2k. I was watching a bit of ACOS from the gig on YouTube:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170424_093410_zpsyhe3de6a.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170424_093410_zpsyhe3de6a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: noxon on April 24, 2017, 07:43:11 AM
Not to mention market saturation - DT has toured VERY heavily the past 4 years. Up until and including the ADTOE tour, DT only hit Norway once per tour/album cycle, so we got to see them every other year.

But since the DT12 tour: 1 concert in 2014. 2 concerts in 2015. 3 concerts in 2016. 5 concerts in 2017. You've got to be a nutter like me to see all of that...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 24, 2017, 07:45:59 AM
You've got to be a nutter like me to see all of that...
...especially with static setlists!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 08:13:26 AM
And, frankly, also the spotty vocal performances. Right now James is doing well actually, but I'm sure people will have watched the videos of the first leg to decide whether to see a second leg concert.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: wasteland on April 24, 2017, 09:51:08 AM
And, frankly, also the spotty vocal performances. Right now James is doing well actually, but I'm sure people will have watched the videos of the first leg to decide whether to see a second leg concert.
He was doing rather well on the first leg after shaking the rust off. I think he must have peaked in one of the Swedish show. After that, well, there were noticeable signs of wear, or maybe he was just sick, I don't know. But anyway, let's give the guy a break. The setlist isn't easy (IAW+ACOS every show is something he's never had to do before, not even in his glory days), the schedule is pretty tight too (4 shows in 5 days average) and still he manages to deliver good to great performances more often then not. For myself, I thought he sounded pretty much fine yesterday! Hopefully he can't hold onto that level for the remainder of the tour!
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Post by: wasteland on April 24, 2017, 10:07:39 AM
Here's my video of the Take The Time / Surrounded double! The lengthy introduction (featuring Derek Oliver) is included.

Apologies for the (comparatively) rather poor video quality. I need to get a new camera, this one has run well past its time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pvdNWyY8YI
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Post by: gzarruk on April 24, 2017, 10:42:53 AM
Here's my video of the Take The Time / Surrounded double! The lengthy introduction (featuring Derek Oliver) is included.

Apologies for the (comparatively) rather poor video quality. I need to get a new camera, this one has run well past its time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pvdNWyY8YI

Great video, man!  :metal
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Post by: mikeyd23 on April 24, 2017, 10:54:37 AM
Here's my video of the Take The Time / Surrounded double! The lengthy introduction (featuring Derek Oliver) is included.

Apologies for the (comparatively) rather poor video quality. I need to get a new camera, this one has run well past its time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pvdNWyY8YI

Thanks for posting!
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Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 11:41:58 AM
And, frankly, also the spotty vocal performances. Right now James is doing well actually, but I'm sure people will have watched the videos of the first leg to decide whether to see a second leg concert.
He was doing rather well on the first leg after shaking the rust off. I think he must have peaked in one of the Swedish show. After that, well, there were noticeable signs of wear, or maybe he was just sick, I don't know. But anyway, let's give the guy a break. The setlist isn't easy (IAW+ACOS every show is something he's never had to do before, not even in his glory days), the schedule is pretty tight too (4 shows in 5 days average) and still he manages to deliver good to great performances more often then not. For myself, I thought he sounded pretty much fine yesterday! Hopefully he can't hold onto that level for the remainder of the tour!

I think the slack you and I may give him, will largely be irrelevant to the average DT concert visitor. I doubt they will pay £60 and be content with saying "given the circumstances...."
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Post by: devieira73 on April 24, 2017, 03:10:16 PM
I was hearing the boot from O2 and I had the impression that the band isn't playing with a metronome on this 2nd leg (and with a lot more energy), but I'm not sure. Any of you here had this impression too?
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Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 07:28:25 PM
If they have backing tracks, they use click, it's a requirement really. So yeah, they still use click. In fact, there's a jam outro where I think JP got caught off guard because the click ended. He totally aborts the jam in a weird way.
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Post by: Adami on April 24, 2017, 08:00:59 PM
If they have backing tracks, they use click, it's a requirement really. So yeah, they still use click. In fact, there's a jam outro where I think JP got caught off guard because the click ended. He totally aborts the jam in a weird way.

I remember reading Neil Peart say that minus those times they played with a string section, he never used a click. That was always so confusing since they used a ton of backing tracks. I guess his timing was just so perfect that they could trigger them all?
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Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
If they have backing tracks, they use click, it's a requirement really. So yeah, they still use click. In fact, there's a jam outro where I think JP got caught off guard because the click ended. He totally aborts the jam in a weird way.

I remember reading Neil Peart say that minus those times they played with a string section, he never used a click. That was always so confusing since they used a ton of backing tracks. I guess his timing was just so perfect that they could trigger them all?

Someone more proficient in that stuff correct me, but I do believe they used to play Red Sector A to a click.  He even used to wear headphones sometimes when playing that song live, although not always.
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Post by: Adami on April 24, 2017, 08:05:50 PM
Possibly. But listening to their other tours from 2000 onward (probably before too) there have been a lot of backing vocals and so forth added in. If he's not playing those to a click, that's pretty impressive (from a drummer's perspective).
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 24, 2017, 08:32:06 PM
I think the difference is, with Rush, they triggered all those samples and whatnot manually. DT has them all automated (as if on tape) - if they were to do it Rush's way, which is far more challenging/difficult, it would give them the leverage to play without the click.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2017, 09:09:48 PM
To my understanding, Peart triggered all that stuff, yeah. It's incredibly impressive.
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Post by: devieira73 on April 24, 2017, 09:10:00 PM
If they have backing tracks, they use click, it's a requirement really. So yeah, they still use click. In fact, there's a jam outro where I think JP got caught off guard because the click ended. He totally aborts the jam in a weird way.
Like, the backing vocals on TTT chorus? This time I'm really in doubt if it isn't JP voice with some effect added. The jam that you are refering to, it's the TTT jam? I didn't notice the weirdness, but I didn't listen to it with total attention also. I'll check it.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2017, 09:20:17 PM
To my understanding, Peart triggered all that stuff, yeah. It's incredibly impressive.

All three members of Rush triggered pre-recorded stuff live; it just depended on the song and what each were doing at the time.

A good example if when Rush used the silly polka intro for La Villa Strangiato on the Time Machine tour. Remember when they had the mess up at the beginning where Alex's guitar didn't work for several minutes and he ad libbed to the crowd while Geddy and Neil kept the backdrop going?  Geddy kept the polka thing going on a loop because they do the triggering in real time.  Had they been playing to a tape, that wouldn't have been possible, since the tape would have only been synched up to the song when played properly and with no stops, pauses, etc.  Very impressive.  Link below for those who have never seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mbYzM8axo

Still love How Alex gets the crowd singing along to "Still no guitar..."

"I hate Rush
They are so boring
They played that stupid song
For like 20 minutes..."

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: mikeyd23 on April 25, 2017, 07:34:48 AM
Wow, that's very impressive, not so much that they (Rush) triggered certain parts of loops in different places, more so that they could hold tempos so that stuff all lined up.

Sounds like they are probably one of not many exceptions to the rule. I'd say the vast majority of the time, if a band is sampling or looping anything, they are playing to a click.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 26, 2017, 01:52:39 AM
Awesome show in Tilburg last night. Although the crowd was a bit tame at the start/first set. I've heard ACOS and can now die a content man.  :hefdaddy
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Post by: dodido253 on April 26, 2017, 02:59:53 AM
Awesome show in Tilburg last night. Although the crowd was a bit tame at the start/first set. I've heard ACOS and can now die a content man.  :hefdaddy

Awesome show!
Everybody were on fire.. loved every bit of it
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Post by: PixelDream on April 26, 2017, 10:07:08 AM
Great show in Tilburg last night. The first half was fine but JLB was probably saving his voice for the Images and ACOS segment. And that was absolutely phenomenal to witness. Really liked the talking to the audience bits, and JP throwing in some Glasgow Kiss! The Jaco Pastorius tribute I didn't feel all that much, but it made As I Am hit really hard afterwards.
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Post by: GuitarWizard on April 26, 2017, 06:39:11 PM
Going back in time to the London gig ... It did live up to expectations as expected.No fancy video screens or fancy lights, very basic staging and I liked that very much. I like to just focus on them anything else is OTT.

Mangini really stole the show for me, he really stood out throughout the show.

I think the guys need a break now, just a gut feeling, nothing I have noticed but from The Astonishing they've been touring really heavy. I'm just worried they will over do it.

The mix wasn't that good though. James was too loud and the kick drum was so intense I had to move seats, anyone else find this or even at different gigs? The other guys were a bit low at times or drowned out by the drums.
 
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Post by: wasteland on April 27, 2017, 03:56:53 AM
I didn't notice any unbalances in the mix. True, James was loud, but that's how I like him to be on stage  :lol Two years ago, during the 30th Anniversary mini tour, I could barely hear him!

Anyway, I made a youtube playlist out of the videos I shoot at the London gig. It features:
- PMU+AD
- TTT+Surrounded
- Metropolis + Solo
- LTL
- ACOS V + VII

Enjoy it if you are interested! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLowaZfbqdAVeAWZykocSDMGUhP42EHYDx
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Post by: krands85 on April 27, 2017, 04:14:15 AM
The mix wasn't that good though. James was too loud and the kick drum was so intense I had to move seats, anyone else find this or even at different gigs? The other guys were a bit low at times or drowned out by the drums.
 
The sound at the Glasgow show was pretty great I thought. JR could have been a little higher at times, but his leads were fine (I was on JPs side, I don't know if that makes any difference). I also specifically mentioned to my friend that it was good the bass/kick drum wasn't overpowering, like it has been at lots of other gigs I've been to.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 27, 2017, 04:28:53 AM
I didn't notice any unbalances in the mix. True, James was loud, but that's how I like him to be on stage  :lol Two years ago, during the 30th Anniversary mini tour, I could barely hear him!

Anyway, I made a youtube playlist out of the videos I shoot at the London gig. It features:
- PMU+AD
- TTT+Surrounded
- Metropolis + Solo
- LTL
- ACOS V + VII

Enjoy it if you are interested! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLowaZfbqdAVeAWZykocSDMGUhP42EHYDx

Cheers! Great sound - the drums especially come across really well.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2017, 06:42:39 AM
I think the guys need a break now, just a gut feeling, nothing I have noticed but from The Astonishing they've been touring really heavy. I'm just worried they will over do it.

That's true they have been. It looks like they will get that break though, so hopefully it will help. This current leg of the tour runs through May, but then their schedule looks like a break through the whole summer. I think the plan is to bring this tour to NA in the fall/winter, so hopefully they will be rested and refreshed by then.
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Post by: GuitarWizard on April 27, 2017, 08:40:57 AM
Heres some audio/video I have to share. Video is average but audio is really good. You can kind of hear how intense the kick drum was in Take the time. I have some more but not sure if it's worth putting up as I only have audio.

Take the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pxc6RR-0oo
Another day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2P44sHA76s
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Post by: Nachtmerrie on April 27, 2017, 10:20:05 AM
Awesome show in Tilburg last night. Although the crowd was a bit tame at the start/first set. I've heard ACOS and can now die a content man.  :hefdaddy

Awesome show!
Everybody were on fire.. loved every bit of it

Amazing show! Nice to see JP taking the talking spot before Wait for Sleep. He had some great stories about the years before I&W.
It looked like JR had some kind of injury as he was treating his arm with towels during the Mangini solo and didn't use his keytar this time.



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Post by: dodido253 on April 29, 2017, 03:34:32 AM
Some footage that I took from Tilburg:
Learning to Live - https://youtu.be/d8hno1fxIKI
As I am solo - https://youtu.be/305Mf2bJy5g
Take The Time - https://youtu.be/x3ybmDeyFAI
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Post by: Elite on April 29, 2017, 09:29:17 AM
Great show in Tilburg last night. The first half was fine but JLB was probably saving his voice for the Images and ACOS segment. And that was absolutely phenomenal to witness. Really liked the talking to the audience bits, and JP throwing in some Glasgow Kiss! The Jaco Pastorius tribute I didn't feel all that much, but it made As I Am hit really hard afterwards.

I considered going and really wanted to, but the tickets were so expensive. Good to hear that it was nice though! Were there many people attending? Since they only just played 013 a couple of months back and this show was moved from AFAS to 013.
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Post by: PixelDream on April 29, 2017, 02:01:23 PM
Great show in Tilburg last night. The first half was fine but JLB was probably saving his voice for the Images and ACOS segment. And that was absolutely phenomenal to witness. Really liked the talking to the audience bits, and JP throwing in some Glasgow Kiss! The Jaco Pastorius tribute I didn't feel all that much, but it made As I Am hit really hard afterwards.

I considered going and really wanted to, but the tickets were so expensive. Good to hear that it was nice though! Were there many people attending? Since they only just played 013 a couple of months back and this show was moved from AFAS to 013.

Well the balcony was closed and the main floor was busy but not packed. Suits me better than how packed Opeth was in 013. Also,  in contrast to that show there wasn't a lot of talking throughout the gig and moderate filming with phones. The loud talking is a major problem in our country, with artists even referring to it as the Dutch Disease.  :lol

Edit: for me it's a problem, of course. Not for everybody.
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Post by: rumborak on April 29, 2017, 03:11:48 PM
There's actually a good crowd shot in the beginning of the TTT video. The website says it's 2300 capacity with balconies closed, so sounds like 2000 or so were at the gig.
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Post by: Siddhartha on April 30, 2017, 06:26:59 AM
Went to Bilbao concert last night.

It was good but not great.

Jordan and the two Johns were on fire. I loved the Jaco tribute, and the three of them played their ass off. A 10 out of 10.

James singed very beautifully during the first part of the set and during Sorrounded and Wait for Sleep. But the rest... buff there were some embarrasing singing moments yesterday to be honest. The kind of singing so out of pitch that you wouldn´t want a friend to hear. It is not just that he can´t hit the highest notes. The problem is that even without attempting them the vocal parts are still too hard to pull out and in the end it shows and he sounds very strained.

This is the 6th gig I have seen of DT with Mangini, and by far the worst one on the drumming part. He just makes the music sound worse. There were a couple of good ideas, like the part following his solo on Metropolis, but for the most part his drumming sounded robotic and uninspired. How I miss Portnoy.

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: juan20sa on April 30, 2017, 08:11:16 AM
The gig in Barcelona was amazing. Everyone played their instruments perfectly and LaBrie sang really well (he modified some parts of the first set), I didn't expect him to sing that good.

The venue was full and there was a lot of energy there, the band was really enjoying it. The sound was perfect, Petrucci's guitars sounded really aggressive and full. I loved the modifications of some songs and the extra solos. A Change of Seasons was the highlight of the night.

It's definitely the best concert I have ever seen.

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: PixelDream on April 30, 2017, 08:48:20 AM
I really liked the Tilburg show but I can definitely see why some would find Mangini's playing robotic. The clicktrack makes everything even more rigid. One obvious moment was the transition in ACOS out of the Another World solo into that heavy downtuned riff. On the Metropolis DVD the tempo goes down, giving it that nice and heavy feel. Now the tempo remained constant which was a bit weird.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lucasembarbosa on April 30, 2017, 09:25:06 AM
Today is the day :D
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Prog Snob on April 30, 2017, 09:29:37 AM
Rex Manning Day?
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Post by: lucasembarbosa on April 30, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
Rex Manning Day?

Didn't get it...  :huh:
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
Rex Manning Day?

Say no more....















...mon amour.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 30, 2017, 10:22:54 AM
Oh Rexy, you're so sexy.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: dodido253 on April 30, 2017, 12:09:28 PM
John Petrucci Speech - Tilburg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNfUc3S8QgY
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on April 30, 2017, 12:33:41 PM
It's slightly awkward seeing John being the one talking to the audience for so long, but it was an informative, interesting speech and, like James said, he's really good at this.
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Post by: TAC on April 30, 2017, 01:06:29 PM
That was awesome!!
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Post by: V_R11 on April 30, 2017, 01:09:21 PM
John Petrucci Speech - Tilburg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNfUc3S8QgY

I literally laughed out loud, this was amazing  :lol Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2017, 02:57:48 PM
I love listening to JP. The guy could talk about his car repair and I'd still love it.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2017, 03:00:58 PM
I love listening to JP. The guy could talk about his car repair and I'd still love it.

I'm surprised you'd love anything about DT nowadays...;)
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Post by: TAC on April 30, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
I love listening to JP. The guy could talk about his car repair and I'd still love it.

I'm surprised you'd love anything about DT nowadays...;)

It's car repairs, not DT!
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2017, 08:03:40 PM
I love listening to JP. The guy could talk about his car repair and I'd still love it.

I'm surprised you'd love anything about DT nowadays...;)

He meant to say that he would only love JP talking about getting his car repaired. Nothing else.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2017, 08:06:50 PM
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS CAR REPAIR SHOP!!

TRAPPED. INSIDE. THIS. CAR. REPAIR. SHOOOOOOOPPPPP.....


But enough of this kumbaya session, I'm getting all teary-eyed. :lol
Back to business: I listened to the Bilbao Metropolis video on YouTube, and man, yeah...
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 01, 2017, 11:21:42 AM
Anybody who went to the shows noticed that JP is using the NOMAC Majesty during The Gift of Music/Our New World?
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Post by: SjundeInseglet on May 01, 2017, 02:35:35 PM
Anybody who went to the shows noticed that JP is using the NOMAC Majesty during The Gift of Music/Our New World?

Yes, I was there last night (in Porto) as well. He has been using the NOMAC Majesty to play "Our New World" on this tour. I had seen the band in Stockholm last February and he was already doing that back then. Got to say that last night's show was pretty darn amazing. I think I liked it even better than the one I witnessed in Stockholm. And I must point out that the guys looked pretty animated too. James, in particular, was very engaging. He talked to audience often and did his best to get the crowd going multiple times. He sounded considerably better than on the previous leg too. I guess that  why I was never able to understand why people complain about the band's lack of presence and James' supposed inability to behave himself like a true frontman. I've seen these guys 9 times since 2000 and they've always delivered.
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Post by: Siddhartha on May 01, 2017, 03:16:36 PM
Anybody who went to the shows noticed that JP is using the NOMAC Majesty during The Gift of Music/Our New World?

Yes. Very cool looking guitar. All his Ernie Ball Majestys are beautiful.

Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 02, 2017, 06:55:42 PM
Looks like James saved his voice between the middle songs of I&W, to unleash it all in ACOS, his performance was flawless!
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 08:10:07 PM
 At which show?
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Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 03, 2017, 03:19:12 AM
At which show?

Coliseu do Porto, last sunday. Specially during Another World and The Crimson Sunset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK8GT2X7Kso
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 03:42:42 AM
That was pretty damn good. He didn't try to oversing anything.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 03, 2017, 04:59:58 AM
Agreed! Here's another good one from London - the sound is a bit wonky to start with, but improves after a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YefVvuMrrOU

The solo starting at https://youtu.be/YefVvuMrrOU?t=893 is a top DT moment for me. I could never get tired of listening to that part.

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Post by: SjundeInseglet on May 03, 2017, 05:01:07 AM
That was pretty damn good. He didn't try to oversing anything.

James has been in much better shape on this leg. Sure, he will change a melody or two here and there but that's not detrimental to the songs. Seems like he (or the band) has worked out definite alternate parts to the ones that are just too hard to pull off live (such as the "pensive fear" section in "Take The Time"). I liked the show I saw on the first leg of the tour too but the concert I saw last Sunday was indeed better. James' vocal improvement aside, the band just seemed to be slightly more into it. The added intro/improv to "Hell's Kitchen" was really cool too. I particularly liked the fact they deliberately take the time (pun kind of intented) to share a lot of interesting stories from the Images and Words days with the audience. Seems to me they have actually expanded these moments on the current leg (which makes this tour particulary memorable).
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Post by: Mladen on May 03, 2017, 06:51:29 AM
There's an enormous amount of work going into alternating vocal melodies and therefore I must give James a lot of credit. It requires him sitting down, figuring out which of the vocal sections are difficult, exhausting or uncomfortable, and finding out the alternative ways of singing them while still staying powerful, convincing and in key. There are quite a few sections and songs to be covered, so I really admire him for the hard work put into all of this. Kudos!
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Post by: devieira73 on May 03, 2017, 01:18:15 PM

James has been in much better shape on this leg. Sure, he will change a melody or two here and there but that's not detrimental to the songs. Seems like he (or the band) has worked out definite alternate parts to the ones that are just too hard to pull off live (such as the "pensive fear" section in "Take The Time"

I find very interesting what he is doing with that part... well, when I first heard the bootleg of it, I thought WTF, James is loosing breath or what ?!  ;D ;D ;D. Now I get that is intentional and it's really cool :tup
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Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2017, 01:29:42 PM
Do you have a link to a recent (and good) performance of it?  I know there have been a lot of links posted recently to various things, but I have not been keeping up. 

And I will also reiterate the obvious fact that we all know, which is, that passage in that song is one of the most difficult, if not THE most difficult, vocal passages in the entire DT catalog. 
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: devieira73 on May 03, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
https://www.guitars101.com/forums/f145/dream-theater-2017-04-19-o2-apollo-manchester-uk-364649.html
I think it's a very good bootleg. I download from that link, but I couldn't certify now if it's still working.
I'm perfectly fine with the band making the really difficult songs more confortably to James to sing. What they are doing with TTT only shows how creative the band is. They could just downtuned it, but instead, they create another melody very interesting!
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: wasteland on May 03, 2017, 01:46:09 PM
Do you have a link to a recent (and good) performance of it?  I know there have been a lot of links posted recently to various things, but I have not been keeping up. 

And I will also reiterate the obvious fact that we all know, which is, that passage in that song is one of the most difficult, if not THE most difficult, vocal passages in the entire DT catalog.

That passage was an utter mistake. Almost un-singable. But it's so damn awesome, I can't have enough of it. Anyway, I think changing the melody was a good call, though it does feel awkward after all these years, the earlier attempt to sing it as it is on the studio album didn't exactly yield encouraging results.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2017, 01:52:42 PM
I wouldn't call it a mistake.  It's not necessarily a bad thing to do things on an album that cannot be replicated live.  I just think they should have altered the live melody much, MUCH earlier on in their (James') career.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on May 03, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
Bosk, regarding the breathy thing, this is a good example:

https://youtu.be/zT9XHZSbv3k?t=140

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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Looked like a packed house in Portugal last night  :metal
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Post by: SjundeInseglet on May 04, 2017, 10:47:16 AM
Looked like a packed house in Portugal last night  :metal

It was a sold-out (or very close to it) show.  :metal
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: DreamerTV on May 07, 2017, 07:42:08 AM
I'm not in the mood right now to write nothing other than this:

Yesterday concert in Lignano Sabbiadoro was canceled a minute before the beginning of the show because of the rain.
Which is something that CAN happen, but believe me, everything about how they (both the promoters and the band) have handled the situation was deeply sad and wrong.

After 16 years of deep love and passion for this band, I'm done, which again for me is a really sad thing to say and realize, but I've seen too many wrong things to be able to feel any sympathy or empathy for these guys anymore.
I've been the first Italian active user on this board, not as active as many others but sill, and my next post, about what happened yesterday, will be my last. Not a big deal for anyone in the grand scheme of things, but to me of course is for sure something I'm not happy at all about.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 07, 2017, 10:54:28 AM
Most outdoor shows are either stated before hand as "rain or shine" or "dependent on weather". In my experience it usually depends on the venue and the promoters. Obviously the artist can cancel shows, but DT aren't the type of band to cancel a show, they rely on these shows for their income. Any other insight as to why exactly the show was cancelled?
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2017, 01:46:35 PM
I am curious as to how the band supposedly handled this poorly.  It sounds like the promoter canceled the show as the last minute, and I doubt there is anything you can do if the promoter has the power to make that call.  Someone also said on FB that the band had major concerns about their gear not being protected from the rain. Hard to quibble with that.  Not much you can do when Mother Nature takes over.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 07, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
The same happened a few years back with Mastodon in São Paulo, during their first coming to the country, opening for Slipknot. They played like 6 songs or so, and then it started to rain so much, and because of the same concerns about the equipment, they preferred to stop the show and immediately left the stage. It's hard to accept... But still it's kinda of understandable.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 08, 2017, 06:46:44 AM
I am curious as to how the band supposedly handled this poorly.  It sounds like the promoter canceled the show as the last minute, and I doubt there is anything you can do if the promoter has the power to make that call.  Someone also said on FB that the band had major concerns about their gear not being protected from the rain. Hard to quibble with that.  Not much you can do when Mother Nature takes over.

Yeah pretty much that.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Unfortunately, stuff like that happens.  Last year, when my little covers band played our annual gig at a fundraising event that we have partnered with for years, we had kind of a similar thing happen.  The event coordinators for some reason did not order a canopy to cover the stage area, despite that rain was in the forecast.  About 2 hours into our 4-hour timeslot, the rain came, and it came HARD.  We were right in the middle of a song (Edge of Seventeen) and kept right on playing, and I swear it was like an '80s MTV music video.  Water splashing everywhere whenever the drummer hit a drum of cymbal.  Rain falling in buckets.  We had a blast for that 1 1/2 minutes or so while the song finished, but we were freaking out a bit too because all of our gear was exposed.  We had the wherewithal to not touch the mic stands and such.  And the sound guy was frantically disassembling gear and shoving it into his trailer while we were still playing.  And, yeah, the gig got cut short.  Nothing we could do about it.  It just was what it was. 

I tell that short just to state the obvious:  Sometimes, there is just nothing the band can do about a situation, and this is one of them.  If our little band of weekend warriors can get shut down by rain and a paid-by-the-hour sound man, of course a band will get shut down when a big local promoter or venue says it is a no-go due to weather.  Again, nothing you can do about that.  I feel for fans that get robbed of a good show in situations like that.  But it isn't really anyone's fault, especially not the band's.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on May 08, 2017, 11:44:29 AM
I'm wondering what can be done in advance in order for the show to go on despite the weather conditions. For example, I've seen Iron Maiden a couple of times in the pouring rain, and it did fall insanely hard throughout the entire gig. I'm having a hard time buying into the fact that nothing can be done, many concerts were held in pouring rain. Someone probably dropped the ball - most likely the promoter.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: DreamerTV on May 08, 2017, 02:50:19 PM
I'm sorry because the way i've wrote my post many of you had the impression i was blaming entirely the band for what happend.
Let me just clarify my thoughts

- concerning the show being canceled and just about a minute before its starts was totally the promoter fault (it was clear already a week in advance it was going to rain, still the stage was covered just on the upper part and not on the sides, and because of that when i saw in the afternoon Maddy photo of the stage on instagram i've commented "hope the show will happen anyway" actually being quite sure it wasn't going to). 
- i've seen the band playing outdoor three years ago in Brescia, it was raying way harder than saturday and they rocked the hell out of it, so i know for a fact if the conditions (and i'm referring specifically about the stage) would have allowed them to play, they would have had without a doubt

So what made me feel depressed?

Well, a combination of elements.

Fist of all, for how i see this business, they are sellers, and i'm a consumer. And in this case they were selling a concert, it didn't happen, which is somenthing that can happen, they'll refound (anctually the promoters of course) my money, case closed.
This is the grown up part of me being rational.

But there's another part of me, the fan who has followed the band since 2001, and this part feel his connection to the band also to a personal level. Which it doesn't actually exist: i don't know them personally, i cannot pretend the contraty based just on hours of videos interviews or live concerts.

But, think about this: we were, me along circa 1 thousand people, already into the arena, a lot of us driving from very far away, having taken half to a whole day off from work, willing to take a lot of rain for three hours, that a minute before the beginning of the show were told it was not going to happen. Why couldn't the band just come out to say they were sorry? I can picture them being very frustrated by the whole situation, but there's a thing called empathy, and they've showed none. Also because it was actually the second time in a row that DT canceled a show in that area - the first one was Trieste for TA - (and believe me, lots of us were hoping for them just to come out and say hi).
Then, my personal experience: i had, for the first time, and not because i've begged someone, an after show pass. I've won it thanks to the Astonishing App game. And the guy from Turbo Tape was sooo kind to me as the prize was supposed to be for another concert.
So we were there, wet tired and mad because of what just happen, trying to ask to the security guys news about the after show.
And then, all of a sudden, they told us "after show canceled as well, go out!"
So imagine how we were feeling at that moment: no show, no meeting with the band, no more explanations.
As there were two guys friends with MM trying to call him and others two trying to call DT stage manager, i was keep telling the security guys to wait two more minutes. As a result, half of the guys were kicked out anyway, so we remained in 5 (the two MM friends, two friends of mine who broghts some wine by request of JR and myself). DT stage manager, i guess his name's Bred, was really kind to pick us up and bring us into a backstage area.
Then MM came, and then JR (i won't share details of what happened during those moments, i'll just say i've understand that after shows are really meant by the band as an occasion to meets their friends, which of course makes totally sense, and that btw both were really super kind. For whatever reason, JP and JMX didn't show up. Who really pissed me off was James. Again, there could be a million reasons as to why he did act that way, still i'm having hard time believing he couldn't act differently: so what happened was that while we were there with Mike and Jordan he came near us, but run into the catering area. A couple of us called him, but he didn't answer.
What was really a poor move, is that 10 minutes later, he came out the catering area with his hood covering his head and walked away ignoring us.
Was he aware of what was happening there? I don't know. But he saw 5 fans, calling his name, and after all that happened he just ignore us. What would have cost him to just say hi? Really, aren't we all flesh and bones at the end of the day?

Again: do they really own us something just because we buy their cds or concert tickets? Aside from the items we pay for, absolutely no.

I know what happens to your head when you're just used to a situation, and after 30 years they all well are "into the machine", which is a really stressfull and demanding one. But aren't we all as well in our dayily routine? C'mon, it's not like they're doing the hardest job in the world, it's not an easy one for sure but not harder than many we all do.

So bottom of line, and i know i could be perceived as a real drama queen, i guess it will be very hard for me to feel any sympathy or empathy for these guys anymore.
And who knows me (for example wasteland) knows how much pain is giving me this thought, 'cause i've always been very active in DT related communites and fb pages (not fan clubs, as i really hate their attitude - not this noxon one though) trying to involve as many people as i could. During these years i've brought a lot of friends who were not into DT, and even my father to many concerts (actually, the only one i've asked for an after show pass once - unfortunately my mother, who suffer of multiple sclerosis was supposed to be in Padova two months ago but she got the flu and couldn't come). I've spent countless hours on the net finding news, videos and stuff to share with people on fb, because that has always been my spirit, to share.

Once again, is because of this i should fell like they own me anything? Not at all, this is something i did for myself because i wanted to.
But after last saturday, i don't think they completely deserve it, at least not anymore.

Finally, it has been a very funny ride because of dt.forums. This has been my place for 8 years (i guess), damn i've seen these pages way more than pornhub (which is what the web was meant for.... boobs, not DT :) ), so it's hard for me to leave. But i want to depart from this segment of my life, as things change and so do i, when you find out things are different than what you've pictured for years, as nice as it can be to live into memories, it's hard to come back.

Thanks DTF
Farewell DT
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: TAC on May 08, 2017, 03:24:28 PM
Hmm... Sorry for your experience, man.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: Mladen on May 09, 2017, 01:22:35 AM
I cannot imagine what it would take for me to completely give up on a band. That truly is a shitty situation.

It must have been a really bad day for James, though, I met him after a show two years ago where he was sick as a dog, truly in an awful condition, and he still stuck around, took pictures and spoke with everybody. I really appreciated that. Apparently, that can't happen every time.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: ? on May 09, 2017, 02:46:24 AM
Not trying to justify James' behavior here, but it's understandable that he wouldn't be in a good mood after such a sudden cancellation that might've been preventable beforehand with better arrangements. Either way, sorry to hear about your experience.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: SeRoX on May 09, 2017, 04:49:53 AM
Shitty situation, sorry for that.

Regarding James behavior, I believe there is something truly bug him. This is not typical for him. If I'm not mistaken he is the most friendly and involved among the others. James or someone else, people have that luxury not to communicate if it feels right thing to do in that kind of situations. Again, not a excuse for James. I understand you as a fan but I also understand James and the band too.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 09, 2017, 07:09:34 AM
Not trying to justify James' behavior here, but it's understandable that he wouldn't be in a good mood after such a sudden cancellation that might've been preventable beforehand with better arrangements. Either way, sorry to hear about your experience.

That would be my guess, remember these guys are human, even though we are fans, they still have bad days, get in bad moods, get upset, etc... Also, you did get to meet two members of the band (if I'm understanding your post correctly), most fans would actually feel pretty pumped that happened despite the situation. I totally get that you are bummed about the show being cancelled, I would be as well, but it actually sounds like the band and the crew did something they didn't have to do and let 5 fans backstage to meet a couple members of the band.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: bosk1 on May 09, 2017, 08:20:13 AM
Sorry you had that experience.  I won't try to guess about what was going on, because I have no idea.  But sounds like just a messed up situation.  I do know that the band members care deeply about their fans.  I have seen that firsthand many, many times.  But as far as what happened this time, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2017, 12:22:51 PM
Sorry, man.  When I met the guys, they were all super nice and gracious, especially James (although he wouldn't spill the beans on the setlist for this tour lol).

I would say that the guys are human, just like all of us, and not to judge him for something that happened during a stressful moment. 
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: rumborak on May 10, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
I can only presume they were as taken offguard by the cancellation as everybody else was. You don't show up backstage if you know the gig isn't gonna happen anyway. So, they may have sat there in expectation, maybe even realizing that this would hopefully be the "make-up concert" for the canceled one on the TA tour, and then get told "nope, go back to the hotel".
Title: Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
Post by: gzarruk on June 18, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
The band just announced on their Facebook that the Asian leg of the tour will start on Sep. 9th.