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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Peter1960 on November 02, 2016, 01:30:52 AM
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There have been two recent live chats with JR and JP, during which they answered fans questions. Unless I missed it, I did not see either of them address any questions regarding a Blu Ray or DVD of the current tour.
In his live chat, JP stated that there will be no more full shows of The Astonishing after the current run, so this is their only chance to film a show.
Has anyone met any of the band during the current tour and specifically asked if there will be a Blu Ray or DVD ? I seem to recall that the filming of the Boston Opera House show for BTFW was not announced in advance, so perhaps they have something up their sleeve for us ?
There are 18 shows remaining - which venue might be good for a DVD shoot ?
I sincerely hope that they do film one of the remaining shows, otherwise it will be a lost opportunity.
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Don't think we're getting one. Maybe if TA had a bigger production, like The Theater Equation, I could see it happening. But idk when/if it could get to that point.
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I seem to recall that the filming of the Boston Opera House show for BTFW was not announced in advance,
Yes, it was.
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They have announced they will be touring Asia and Australia sometime in the New Year.
My guess is they will film one of those shows.
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I had a theory that the first legs were meant to scout for the best theatre in terms of sounds and location, but I guess I was wrong...
I also remember when the italian date of Trieste was cancelled, the press release (from the promoters) said something about them trying to work out with the band a date in October / November, but evidently no second european leg has ever materialized.
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I was thinking this morning that they could choose to perform a one-night only to record TA later this year with the full orchestra, the virtual production stuff that they were talking and maybe different guests for each role. Not sure if it will happen though.
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In his live chat, JP stated that there will be no more full shows of The Astonishing after the current run, so this is their only chance to film a show.
If that's the case, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they'll film it over two shows. They'll play two shows in one city. On night one they'll play the first half of TA and then a bunch of random songs. On night two they'll play the second half of TA and play a bunch of other random songs. They'll use both halves of TA to make the filmed version.
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In his live chat, JP stated that there will be no more full shows of The Astonishing after the current run, so this is their only chance to film a show.
I believe that was referring to North America only.
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I seem to recall that the filming of the Boston Opera House show for BTFW was not announced in advance
I believe it was well known that show was being filmed with the orchestra.
If any show was already filmed, my guess would be it was in europe since they shot the music video for Our New World there. However, I doubt this is the scenario and my feeling of a live release of this show is fading every day. I think the lack of fan support may be the reason why. I still would love to get a blu ray of the show though.
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Has anyone met any of the band during the current tour and specifically asked if there will be a Blu Ray or DVD ?
I asked JP earlier. I can't remember whether it was after the show I saw them at on the first leg or whether we were discussing it via email when the first leg was wrapping up and they were getting ready to launch the second leg. The response was that they were definitely planning to do so. For reasons that should be obvious, I did not dig any deeper. But they have (or at least had at that time) every intention of filming for a live release.
I think I am going to see them again next month. If so, I will try to remember to ask again.
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Maybe if TA had a bigger production, like The Theater Equation
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They have announced they will be touring Asia and Australia sometime in the New Year.
:metal
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Maybe if TA had a bigger production, like The Theater Equation
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I know, right? The The Astonishing tour has had the biggest production of any Dream Theater show in their history so no soup for you.
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either. Hard to believe it hasn't been a year since release.
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They have announced they will be touring Asia and Australia sometime in the New Year.
:metal
Would be cool if they filmed TA at the Sydney Opera House.
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Maybe if TA had a bigger production, like The Theater Equation
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I know, right? The The Astonishing tour has had the biggest production of any Dream Theater show in their history so no soup for you.
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
In what way? The DT12 DVD had full-fledged animation videos (The opener video, or Enigma Machine, anyone?) and a live orchestra. A TA DVD almost certainly would be a smaller production, unless they add something.
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While I do not feel DT needs to put out a live DVD every tour (although another revenue stream in this tough era), I would really be bummed if they didn't film TA. The album still hasn't stuck with me, albeit I haven't gone back to it in awhile. But I feel a live DVD would help me further get into the album. It worked for SFAM for me.
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They have announced they will be touring Asia and Australia sometime in the New Year.
:metal
Would be cool if they filmed TA at the Sydney Opera House.
This would be the perfect place. It's such a legendary venue and filming a full performance of this incredible album there would be amazing.
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They have announced they will be touring Asia and Australia sometime in the New Year.
:metal
Would be cool if they filmed TA at the Sydney Opera House.
This would be the perfect place. It's such a legendary venue and filming a full performance of this incredible album there would be amazing.
Yea, I think that would be a great spot to film a potential DVD. It fits, it's historic, it's a location they haven't filmed in, and it's actually possible they will be playing there.
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Maybe if TA had a bigger production, like The Theater Equation
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I know, right? The The Astonishing tour has had the biggest production of any Dream Theater show in their history so no soup for you.
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I think he means casting the different roles. I really don't think a live Astonishing DVD would be necessary otherwise.
"But Live Scenes!"
They weren't playing to a click then. If we don't get different singers, the show would feature nothing different from the album.
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They weren't playing to a click then. If we don't get different singers, the show would feature nothing different from the album.
...except for:
-A live presentation
-Video
-The amazing visuals
-The crowd interaction
-Extended solo on A New Beginning
-Likely, the only chance ever to have a live presentation of this album in its entirety
Etc.
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They weren't playing to a click then. If we don't get different singers, the show would feature nothing different from the album.
...except for:
-A live presentation
-Video
-The amazing visuals
-The crowd interaction
-Extended solo on A New Beginning
-Likely, the only chance ever to have a live presentation of this album in its entirety
Etc.
That alone is worth it IMO.
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They weren't playing to a click then. If we don't get different singers, the show would feature nothing different from the album.
...except for:
-A live presentation
-Video
-The amazing visuals
-The crowd interaction
-Extended solo on A New Beginning
-Likely, the only chance ever to have a live presentation of this album in its entirety
Etc.
- Not knocking them, but they aren't exactly Iron Maiden when it comes to presentation.
- Motion pictures aren't my thing
- They aren't that amazing, but at least they aren't LSFNY visuals
- Crowd's been almost muted for years. They're more audible on BTFW atleast.
- Hurray?
- Meh, I'd rather just listen to the album.
I love Dream Theater and The Astonishing is great, but if they don't do something really special like have other singers for the roles, then I'm not interested.
I had a blast watching Dream Theater live the 3 times I did, but the concert is a bit standard. Even the one time I saw them with Portnoy opening for Maiden. Great show, loved it, but nothing "OH MY GOD AMAZING" about it.
I guess I should also point out that I listen to live shows way more than watch them.
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And that's all fine. But it not bringing anything to the table that you are interested in isn't the same thing as it "featur[ing] nothing different from the album."
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I love The Astonishing, but I have to admit that it won't bother me at all if they don't record a show to release on DVD or Blu-ray. I rarely watch concert videos anymore, except the truly special ones, and from what I have read, this one wouldn't be.
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These days DT is also putting a rather heavy hand on their dubbing process. I have honestly listened to the bootleg of the Boston show more often than the official DVD, because on the bootleg I know I'm listening to the orchestra, not an overdub. Remember when they released the teaser video of the show and the audio totally didn't match up with JP's visuals because they had overdubbed big parts of his solo for the DVD? That stuff sticks with me, and drags down my enjoyment of it. .
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I agree totally. They should of kept in the fact that James forgot Erin's name and when he thanked the Boston College orchestra! :lol
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When the RCMH video had the guitar overdubbed because the amp crapped out during the show, that didn't bother me too much. But when JP, or the orchestra, flubs I want to hear it. Because it makes it real. For a band that's already struggling with sounding mechanical, I feel they should stay away from overdubs as much as possible.
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When the RCMH video had the guitar overdubbed because the amp crapped out during the show, that didn't bother me too much. But when JP, or the orchestra, flubs I want to hear it. Because it makes it real. For a band that's already struggling with sounding mechanical, I feel they should stay away from overdubs as much as possible.
I think it would be interesting if they released a DVD of The Astonishing live, but literally replaced 100% of the audio with the studio album and see if people argue that they didn't do it.
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When the RCMH video had the guitar overdubbed because the amp crapped out during the show, that didn't bother me too much. But when JP, or the orchestra, flubs I want to hear it. Because it makes it real. For a band that's already struggling with sounding mechanical, I feel they should stay away from overdubs as much as possible.
I totally agree with you, Rumby. Make a mistake? Keep it! A live album/DVD doesn't have to sound like it's in the studio or I'll just listen to the studio album.
B.Lee
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I like when bands have flubs/mistakes, it keeps it real and shows that they're only human. Most of the time the audience laughs with them, not at them.
I remember seeing YES a few years back, they had a train wreck a little ways into a song and stopped playing to start the song over. Everybody started cheering!! :metal
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Overdubbing on a live album is like doing a painting - then scanning it into photoshop and adjusting it digitally then printing it out.
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I like when bands have flubs/mistakes, it keeps it real and shows that they're only human. Most of the time the audience laughs with them, not at them.
Agreed, although it depends on how bad it is if I would want to include it on the DVD. The RCMH edit made sense, but small mistakes/accidents are fine for live releases IMO.
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As someone who doesn't play instruments, I wouldn't even recognize mistakes, unless they're major clusterfucks.
You're at a concert, you're caught in the moment, the sound is what it is and always LOUD, how can you notice a minor mistake unless you're paying attention to a specific instrument that youreself you're familiar with? I could only realize how bad a singer is singing if that's the case, and that's it.
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As someone who doesn't play instruments, I wouldn't even recognize mistakes, unless they're major clusterfucks.
You're at a concert, you're caught in the moment, the sound is what it is and always LOUD, how can you notice a minor mistake unless you're paying attention to a specific instrument that youreself you're familiar with? I could only realize how bad a singer is singing if that's the case, and that's it.
I'm not a musician either, but depends on how well you know the band/music and how good the sound is at the concert to notice the mistakes for me. Regardless, if it's on a release it will be much more easily discovered and probably ridiculed and is a good reason why the band (or any band) wouldn't do that.
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They weren't playing to a click then. If we don't get different singers, the show would feature nothing different from the album.
...except for:
-A live presentation
-Video
-The amazing visuals
-The crowd interaction
-Extended solo on A New Beginning
-Likely, the only chance ever to have a live presentation of this album in its entirety
Etc.
Plus the spoken intro, and the extra buzz in The Descent of the NOMACs, of course.
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As someone who doesn't play instruments, I wouldn't even recognize mistakes, unless they're major clusterfucks.
You're at a concert, you're caught in the moment, the sound is what it is and always LOUD, how can you notice a minor mistake unless you're paying attention to a specific instrument that youreself you're familiar with? I could only realize how bad a singer is singing if that's the case, and that's it.
I'm not a musician either, but depends on how well you know the band/music and how good the sound is at the concert to notice the mistakes for me. Regardless, if it's on a release it will be much more easily discovered and probably ridiculed and is a good reason why the band (or any band) wouldn't do that.
I wouldn't mind a DVD. But my god talk about spoiled fans.
Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
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Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything because it factually does. It means the tempo will not change. However, that does not make the music or performance less enjoyable for me, but it does take away from some of the "live feel" I will call it. If I had the option to chose, I would chose for the band to play without the click and risk mistakes or tempo changes.
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These days DT is also putting a rather heavy hand on their dubbing process. I have honestly listened to the bootleg of the Boston show more often than the official DVD, because on the bootleg I know I'm listening to the orchestra, not an overdub. Remember when they released the teaser video of the show and the audio totally didn't match up with JP's visuals because they had overdubbed big parts of his solo for the DVD? That stuff sticks with me, and drags down my enjoyment of it. .
I don't know if this is official or legal, but I would really like to hear that bootleg! Can you tell me where to get it? Once again, if this is not okay, I'm sorry.
I would LOVE an Astonishing-DVD, since I loved the album and the two concerts I saw were amazing. I think, music always makes another impression on me when played live.
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Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything because it factually does. It means the tempo will not change. However, that does not make the music or performance less enjoyable for me, but it does take away from some of the "live feel" I will call it. If I had the option to chose, I would chose for the band to play without the click and risk mistakes or tempo changes.
And end up with a song being too fast...Disappear and The Glass Prison, of which must've sucked for JP And JR.
But also, doesn't Mangini control the click? He could change it up or slow it down by hitting a pad a couple times to lower or speed up the click.
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Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything because it factually does. It means the tempo will not change. However, that does not make the music or performance less enjoyable for me, but it does take away from some of the "live feel" I will call it. If I had the option to chose, I would chose for the band to play without the click and risk mistakes or tempo changes.
And end up with a song being too fast...Disappear and The Glass Prison, of which must've sucked for JP And JR.
But also, doesn't Mangini control the click? He could change it up or slow it down by hitting a pad a couple times to lower or speed up the click.
Nope. The primary purpose of the click is to sync up the video / lights / backing tracks, so the tempo is all fixed.
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Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything because it factually does. It means the tempo will not change. However, that does not make the music or performance less enjoyable for me, but it does take away from some of the "live feel" I will call it. If I had the option to chose, I would chose for the band to play without the click and risk mistakes or tempo changes.
And end up with a song being too fast...Disappear and The Glass Prison, of which must've sucked for JP And JR.
But also, doesn't Mangini control the click? He could change it up or slow it down by hitting a pad a couple times to lower or speed up the click.
Nope. The primary purpose of the click is to sync up the video / lights / backing tracks, so the tempo is all fixed.
I know that. But I mean, couldn't he up it up if he wanted? It's not that big of a change to sync the lights and vids. Compared to how the crew had to play live as well before.
I think it's mainly for the backing tracks because of the timing of vocals and other things, like samples.
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Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything because it factually does. It means the tempo will not change. However, that does not make the music or performance less enjoyable for me, but it does take away from some of the "live feel" I will call it. If I had the option to chose, I would chose for the band to play without the click and risk mistakes or tempo changes.
And end up with a song being too fast...Disappear and The Glass Prison, of which must've sucked for JP And JR.
But also, doesn't Mangini control the click? He could change it up or slow it down by hitting a pad a couple times to lower or speed up the click.
Nope. The primary purpose of the click is to sync up the video / lights / backing tracks, so the tempo is all fixed.
I know that. But I mean, couldn't he up it up if he wanted? It's not that big of a change to sync the lights and vids. Compared to how the crew had to play live as well before.
I think it's mainly for the backing tracks because of the timing of vocals and other things, like samples.
The show is not set up the way it used to be. Video would require a lot more work to set it up to sync a particular section to a particular part of the song, it was basically done manually before, and that was with a lot of additional prep work. Lights are probably easy enough with the way it's triggered. Backing tracks, no. The backing tracks are all recorded to studio tempo. You don't just resample that on the fly. There is no room for change with their current setup. Everything will be identical night after night.
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Just cause they play with a click now doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything because it factually does. It means the tempo will not change. However, that does not make the music or performance less enjoyable for me, but it does take away from some of the "live feel" I will call it. If I had the option to chose, I would chose for the band to play without the click and risk mistakes or tempo changes.
And end up with a song being too fast...Disappear and The Glass Prison, of which must've sucked for JP And JR.
But also, doesn't Mangini control the click? He could change it up or slow it down by hitting a pad a couple times to lower or speed up the click.
Nope. The primary purpose of the click is to sync up the video / lights / backing tracks, so the tempo is all fixed.
I know that. But I mean, couldn't he up it up if he wanted? It's not that big of a change to sync the lights and vids. Compared to how the crew had to play live as well before.
I think it's mainly for the backing tracks because of the timing of vocals and other things, like samples.
The show is not set up the way it used to be. Video would require a lot more work to set it up to sync a particular section to a particular part of the song, it was basically done manually before, and that was with a lot of additional prep work. Lights are probably easy enough with the way it's triggered. Backing tracks, no. The backing tracks are all recorded to studio tempo. You don't just resample that on the fly. There is no room for change with their current setup. Everything will be identical night after night.
Thanks for explaining the click tracks. I don't have a problem with it. The band seems to love playing at album tempo, especially JM.
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The problem about album tempo is that in the adrenaline rush of a live performance, certain songs come across as sluggish when played at that speed. I mean, there's a reason why bands almost always play stuff faster live if they don't play with click. It's the excitement of the moment that makes you want to play it faster.
Bottom line is, during the prep phase of the tour they should have baked in a certain speedup. Or, alternatively, leave a few songs without videos and backing tracks so they can play it live.
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The problem about album tempo is that in the adrenaline rush of a live performance, certain songs come across as sluggish when played at that speed. I mean, there's a reason why bands almost always play stuff faster live if they don't play with click. It's the excitement of the moment that makes you want to play it faster.
Bottom line is, during the prep phase of the tour they should have baked in a certain speedup. Or, alternatively, leave a few songs without videos and backing tracks so they can play it live.
I agree. I'm ok with them using a click track and keeping a lid on the tempos from getting too fast as could happen with MP on certain songs, but several songs just don't translate well at album tempo live imo. Hearing TSCO on LALP, that outro is total blue balls for me. It desperately needed that bit extra, but it's just held back from being able to match the energy of the live setting, and plods along.
Maybe it would be hard to figure out what tempos will work best live, as by the time they get together to rehearse and play the songs together, the live production is almost complete, but I'd like to see some more attention given to the differences between playing in the studio and playing to an audience. And I have no doubt MM can stick to a tempo without a click if they ever decided to return to that approach too.
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I just used one of those tapping BPM counter apps, and amazingly, the difference between TSCO on Score and LALP is 3bpm at best. But it makes all the world of a difference. On LALP you can tell JP is struggling to stay on tempo because he naturally wants to play faster. His runs end early, and then he has to wait a bit to be back in the beat.
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I just used one of those tapping BPM counter apps, and amazingly, the difference between TSCO on Score and LALP is 3bpm at best. But it makes all the world of a difference. On LALP you can tell JP is struggling to stay on tempo because he naturally wants to play faster. His runs end early, and then he has to wait a bit to be back in the beat.
Damn! Have you checked the tempo of the Score version at start and end to compare the relative change in tempo? I think the outro is faster on LSFNY, so that might also be worth checking. The energy of the outro with MP feels like a lot more than a 3bpm increase. It could also be due to MM's hats setup, which doesn't allow that looser sound to give the extra dynamics too, so maybe it's the combo of tempo + dynamics.
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Good thing you had me check again! What actually happens is that while at the end the LALP and Score version are about 3bpm apart, the Score version starts much slower, so it covers a spread of 10bpm. LALP experiences some speedup, but nowhere near as much.
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Yeah, I had a suspicion that might have been the case. The Score version starts fairly loose with JR setting the initial tempo, so I expected it would be slower than studio tempo to begin with. Also I just realized it looks like MP is hitting crash for most of the outro rather than just the hi-hats, which also helps elevate the outro.
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But I agree also on the drum part. Not that MP was the master of dynamics, but MM's range is very narrow, so the slow buildup during TSCO doesn't come across as well.
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You know, maybe the blame isn't on MM but on the band wanting to incorporate he video with the music. It hampers drummers being organic.
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I always felt that Trial Of Tears was too slow on Breaking The Fourth Wall!! But it's really just the original tempo. I think MMs playing just isn't as "fluid" as MPs is, as much as I love MM. And why the hell didn't he play the real drum pickup, but instead hit three times on the china cymbals and once on the snare? He could have easily done the real pickup.
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The "It's Raining" part at the end on BTFW is also a let down in comparison to the Budokan version. So much energy in Tokyo, at tempo, it feels lifeless in Boston
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And why the hell didn't he play the real drum pickup, but instead hit three times on the china cymbals and once on the snare?
If you want to talk about minutiae, that "drum roll" in Trial of Tears is so distracting. I remember seeing either a video or reading a FB post of his where he said he doesn't do classic drum rolls because the hits during the roll don't perfectly line up with the beat. So, instead he approximates a drum roll with superfast hits (64ths or something).
Problem is, you can tell the difference, and I find it totally distracting.
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And why the hell didn't he play the real drum pickup, but instead hit three times on the china cymbals and once on the snare?
If you want to talk about minutiae, that "drum roll" in Trial of Tears is so distracting. I remember seeing either a video or reading a FB post of his where he said he doesn't do classic drum rolls because the hits during the roll don't perfectly line up with the beat. So, instead he approximates a drum roll with superfast hits (64ths or something).
Problem is, you can tell the difference, and I find it totally distracting.
Sorry if I misunderstand you, but I am talking about the one at 1:43 (studio version).
Or did you mean to say, you ALSO dislike that other part in the last third, when James sing "ashes"?
I never noticed that, but now that you say it, you're right!
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Looks like they are in fact actually adding some "classic" songs into the set. Hopefully, some of this will make the video release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8pFURwYrA
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Just saw that.
A concession that the whole album only shows aren't bringing in the punters ?
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Just saw that.
A concession that the whole album only shows aren't bringing in the punters ?
My guess as stated in the tour thread is that this is for the southern fans who haven't had DT in the area in a long time.
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My wife is not going to be happy about this. I told her it was going to be only a 2 hr show :rollin
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Just saw that.
A concession that the whole album only shows aren't bringing in the punters ?
My guess as stated in the tour thread is that this is for the southern fans who haven't had DT in the area in a long time.
That makes total sense.
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That is great. They are listening to the fans who wanted some other songs in addition to TA. I wish they had done that at our show but I am happy for everyone else.
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I read somewhere that, according to some people who attended TA shows and M&G this last couple weeks, the band is recording the TA shows and, if you compare some pics from the start of the tour, and from the 2nd US leg, Jordan's keyboard now has a gopro on it, while previously he didn't have any cameras there.
Could this mean they're going to make the TA Live DVD/Blue Ray a live compilation like CIM was? (of course with much better quality, I hope). Do you think this could be the case?
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I read somewhere that, according to some people who attended TA shows and M&G this last couple weeks, the band is recording the TA shows and, if you compare some pics from the start of the tour, and from the 2nd US leg, Jordan's keyboard now has a gopro on it, while previously he didn't have any cameras there.
Could this mean they're going to make the TA Live DVD/Blue Ray a live compilation like CIM was? (of course with much better quality, I hope). Do you think this could be the case?
This could very well be the case. Something is better than nothing! Being that they are now planning on the I&W anniversary tour in early 2017, I don't see how they could squeeze in a major production of TA on film. I hope I'm wrong, I would love more than anything to have a epic blu-ray/dvd release of The Astonishing with great HD filming and sound production. Not too many camera angles though. So many concert releases have the camera angles bouncing around way too much (a'la Maiden en Vivo) to the point it gets annoying. I like the shots from the audiences point of view the most.
I hope they don't release something cringeworthy like CIM, even though it has its good parts..
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I'd be surprised if they weren't releasing a live video. The Astonishing is just too big of a production to not do one.
I just don't want "gimmicky" footage. No psychadelic stuff. No "360" camera stuff. Just solid editing like on Budokan and SCORE.
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I think it would be exceedingly cool if DT recorded the album open air, at a place that fits with the album theme. No audience, just them playing, with a steadycam going between them.
The way it looks it will likely just be another dark indoor DVD though.
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I think it would be exceedingly cool if DT recorded the album open air, at a place that fits with the album theme. No audience, just them playing, with a steadycam going between them.
So like a live music video?
Also is it one camera doing the whole thing? So no edits at all?
Hmmm that could be interesting.
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Yeah, something like the U2 video back in the day, or Sigur Ros' Heima, or Pink Floyd's Pompeii. Choose a surrounding that creates a cool mood, not just another metal venue.
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...Yeah, like beneath the stars at Heaven's Cove.
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Yeah, something like the U2 video back in the day, or Sigur Ros' Heima, or Pink Floyd's Pompeii. Choose a surrounding that creates a cool mood, not just another metal venue.
I love this idea.
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You kid, but Heima for example has half their songs during the day, the other half at night. TA would be perfect in that regard.
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You kid, but Heima for example has half their songs during the day, the other half at night. TA would be perfect in that regard.
Totally.
Why no audience though?
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Why no audience though?
Because the audience couldn't handle something that astonishing.
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Why no audience though?
No strong reason, but I have this "Slash in November Rain" mental image of DT standing alone in some awesome place :lol
I think it's partially also because an audience would distract from the surrounding. It all depends on the surrounding though. If they played in the narrow streets of some medieval European town, a crowd would totally work. If they played at the Cliffs of Moher, it should be them alone.
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I think it would be exceedingly cool if DT recorded the album open air, at a place that fits with the album theme. No audience, just them playing, with a steadycam going between them.
The way it looks it will likely just be another dark indoor DVD though.
I know a certain place that JP has said was one of his favorites to perform, and i just made that image in my head. Lycabettus Theater in Greece.
(https://www.greece-is.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/NEW_ATH_LYCABETTUS_FEATURED.jpg)
Shame it's not going to happen though.
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I saw DT play here on Gigantour. It was awesome.
(https://www.fodors.com/ee/files/slideshows/8-Nikon-at-Jones-Beach-Theater.jpg)
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Playing a spot that looks like Heaven's Cove would be pretty fitting
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Random comment, I have the LTE Live in LA video running in the background. Damn what a good DVD.
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Random comment, I have the LTE Live in LA video running in the background. Damn what a good DVD.
What what what?!?!
I did not know there was a LTE live dvd. Where the Heck have I been? :-\
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Random comment, I have the LTE Live in LA video running in the background. Damn what a good DVD.
What what what?!?!
I did not know there was a LTE live dvd. Where the Heck have I been? :-\
There's actually 2! :biggrin:
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https://www.ytsejamrecords.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=38
https://www.ytsejamrecords.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=40
Interesting description of the 2 releases by MP: https://www.ytsejamrecords.com/default.asp
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Random comment, I have the LTE Live in LA video running in the background. Damn what a good DVD.
I have that one, and the other show on CD. It's been too long since I've seen it, but I've been listening to LTE a lot more since TA came out, so I'll have to rewatch it.
Fun fact - I made the menu animation and intro for those DVDs.
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In my personal opinion, it's the last best live DVD of theirs. Everything since I have had no desire to rewatch after the first watch. I feel there's a chemistry on stage of the LTE DVD that doesn't exist in their normal concerts.
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I've only watched the more recent DVDs once, and mostly bought them for the sake of completion, so I can't disagree.
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Well, I guess that chemistry from Portnoy/Petrucci/Rudess is still hard to surpass (and I still love DT nowadays). Anyway, that 2 DVDs from LTE are really awesome! :metal :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Well, I guess that chemistry from Portnoy/Petrucci/Rudess is still hard to surpass
And Tony Levin. I find myself looking at him a lot on that DVD. Truth be told, I don't do that with JM.
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A friend of mine doubted that The Similitude Of A Dream could be better than The Astonishing. Hearing MPs big announcements, he said "MP isn't seriously comparing Gillette with Petrucci, Hubauer with Rudess and George with Myung???". In the end, you can hear much more Randy George on Similitude than you can hear Myung on The Astonishing. Myung is an insane player and he has my deepest :hefdaddy , but he could be a little more creative and present in the band. I know he's a quiet guy, and that's cool. But why play the greatest lines and freakiest shit if nobody hears it? We haven't had a bass solo in years, no chapman stick, no double bass (not the drum). Levin is more present imho. His groove and tone is amazing.
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A friend of mine doubted that The Similitude Of A Dream could be better than The Astonishing. Hearing MPs big announcements, he said "MP isn't seriously comparing Gillette with Petrucci, Hubauer with Rudess and George with Myung???". In the end, you can hear much more Randy George on Similitude than you can hear Myung on The Astonishing. Myung is an insane player and he has my deepest :hefdaddy , but he could be a little more creative and present in the band. I know he's a quiet guy, and that's cool. But why play the greatest lines and freakiest shit if nobody hears it? We haven't had a bass solo in years, no chapman stick, no double bass (not the drum). Levin is more present imho. His groove and tone is amazing.
As a bass player myself, anyone would thing I listen to DT because of the bass lines and all JM does, but when I was first introduced to the band, what hooked me was the amazing job JP, JR and MP were doing.All the complexity and writing. With the years, I can appreciate much more what JM does, but he is often buried on the mix, and that sucks for him, because he's playing AMAZING stuff.
On TA he's almost inaudible, while on DT12 he was very prominent and you could notice his bass lines are unreal (Surrender to Reason, anyone?)
All he needs is to be higher on the mix and bettee production for his sound. Also, he sounded much better with his old Yamaha from FII and SFAM, I never really liked the tone of his Bongo basses :-\
+1 on him using more his Chapman Stick. Also, he hasn't used a fretless on a DT song since Through Her Eyes :'(
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Well, I guess that chemistry from Portnoy/Petrucci/Rudess is still hard to surpass
And Tony Levin. I find myself looking at him a lot on that DVD. Truth be told, I don't do that with JM.
But that's probably because JM's no so much pointed by the camera in DT's DVDs as Tony in LTE's.. :P
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6 more shows until the TA tour ends and looks like we are not getting a DVD of this tour unless DT plays a one-off show during next year's European tour. :sad:
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and the shows left are not the full Astonishing, there are songs missing. I wouldn't think they would put out "The Astonishing" on DVD if it didn't have all the songs.
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I hope they will do a special series of concerts in the future with (dressed?) guest vocalists and record that. If Arjen Lucassen or, hell, even Clive Nolan can arrange a good line up of vocalists for a rock opera/theater show, surely DT can arrange something. There is no need to go all Broadway on TA, but there are plenty of (rock) operas out there that work without eloborate dancing/stages/orchestra's.
I think the tour as is maybe relies a bit too much on the visuals, which cannot be captured well on dvd/br and the album can drag with only Labrie on the vocals (I do enjoy TA a lot, however, especially disc one).
That said, I would buy a TA dvd/br without a doubt, seen and enjoyed the show twice and can only assume the performances got better over time.
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Even as a DT completist, I don't think I would buy a TA Blu-ray or live CD. I can't wait for DT to put this album behind them and move on!
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Well, stating the obvious - that they have every darmn artistic, logistic, personal and financial right to do or do not whatever pleases them the most, it will be kinda ironic if it will go down like this...
Tour with the new drummer and a classic selection of songs = DVD / Blu Ray
Tour with the Evening With format and an orchestra only in the final part of the show = DVD / Blu Ray
Massive concept album played in its entirety with full production and visuals = Nah, whatever
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If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
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Even as a DT completist, I don't think I would buy a TA Blu-ray or live CD. I can't wait for DT to put this album behind them and move on!
This album is the best thing they've ever done.
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Insert Nefaryus laugh here. :biggrin:
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Tour with the new drummer and a classic selection of songs = DVD / Blu Ray
Tour with the Evening With format and an orchestra only in the final part of the show = DVD / Blu Ray
Massive concept album played in its entirety with full production and visuals = Nah, whatever
This exactly..
If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
Sorry, what section are you talking about?.. :justjen
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Maybe it wasn't practical to release a DVD this time. They've already released DVDs for the previous two tours, and this concert might have been more expensive to produce a DVD how they wanted it given the nature of the rock opera thing (or maybe not), plus the lower ticket sales may have indicated less demand for it. Live releases probably don't sell as much today as they did a decade ago.
Did this fit with that weird music theory someone had about the live releases a while back? :lol
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If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
Sorry, what section are you talking about?.. :justjen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLu0ClOcNQs&feature=youtu.be&t=85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShCks2GfFo&feature=youtu.be&t=1180
(copied from the Tour dates thread)
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If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
Sorry, what section are you talking about?.. :justjen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLu0ClOcNQs&feature=youtu.be&t=85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShCks2GfFo&feature=youtu.be&t=1180
(copied from the Tour dates thread)
Ok.. Now I'm not following..
Why would they overdub that section?.. :huh:
Maybe it wasn't practical to release a DVD this time. They've already released DVDs for the previous two tours, and this concert might have been more expensive to produce a DVD how they wanted it given the nature of the rock opera thing (or maybe not), plus the lower ticket sales may have indicated less demand for it. Live releases probably don't sell as much today as they did a decade ago.
Did this fit with that weird music theory someone had about the live releases a while back? :lol
I was just thinking about that as I was reading your post.. I think it does.. :o :D
(https://fdzeta.com/subir/images/g6s1.jpg)
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If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
Sorry, what section are you talking about?.. :justjen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLu0ClOcNQs&feature=youtu.be&t=85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShCks2GfFo&feature=youtu.be&t=1180
(copied from the Tour dates thread)
Ok.. Now I'm not following..
Why would they overdub that section?.. :huh:
Because ... it is atrocious? Whatever James is doing there, you obviously can't put that on DVD.
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If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
Sorry, what section are you talking about?.. :justjen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLu0ClOcNQs&feature=youtu.be&t=85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShCks2GfFo&feature=youtu.be&t=1180
(copied from the Tour dates thread)
Ok.. Now I'm not following..
Why would they overdub that section?.. :huh:
Because ... it is atrocious? Whatever James is doing there, you obviously can't put that on DVD.
Those vids don't sound too good to begin with. So how can you dictate how good or bad the vocals were.
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o_O?
I'm sorry, but do you guys just seriously not hear this?
James is pushing his vocals, but hitting a hard ceiling, with the result that he essentially hovers around one (wrong) note the whole time. At the end, when he should go even higher, he resorts to this ... bark thing.
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If they make a live DVD, it will be very interesting to see what they do about the Lord Nafaryus section. Will they entirely overdub it?
Sorry, what section are you talking about?.. :justjen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLu0ClOcNQs&feature=youtu.be&t=85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShCks2GfFo&feature=youtu.be&t=1180
(copied from the Tour dates thread)
Ok.. Now I'm not following..
Why would they overdub that section?.. :huh:
Because ... it is atrocious? Whatever James is doing there, you obviously can't put that on DVD.
Those vids don't sound too good to begin with. So how can you dictate how good or bad the vocals were.
Most videos from the IAW tour were recorded with much lower quality for both audio and video and James sounded perfectly. Just saying... :-[
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o_O?
I'm sorry, but do you guys just seriously not hear this?
Yes. And I'm saying it sounded way better live. Hell you can barely hear his background vocals in those.
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The first link especially leaves very little to the imagination. And it was that way too in Boston.
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I guess the band just had a really good night in Tuscon.
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Eh, being there is always different than hearing a recording. i've been to many shows that sounded absolutely amazing to my ears while there, but listening back to recordings was just a sad sad wakeup call.
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I just don't understand why, when they're recording, James doesn't speak up and say "listen guys, I'm rested and sure, with 10 takes, I can pull this off. But have you considered the three nights in a row where I have to pull this off after an hour of singing?"
Rush learned that lesson and so did many other bands, when they realized they're no longer 20-year olds, but instead write within the constraints of their instrument. In fact, many bands rose to new heights when they were forced to shift.
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Never underestimate the overconfidence musicians, including singers, can have; it's possible that JLB thinks he can do it. Heck, while it's very possible that deep down he knew it, but never said it, Geddy Lee talked in recent years like he could still everything as good as he ever had, which is crazy when you consider that his vocals, especially live, aren't nearly what they used to be.
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Goooood point, Kev, I have often wondered about that. Even when I was playing in my measly DT tribute, there was already a staggering amount of "mental turf war" going on. Your band mates aren't going to say anything, especially after years of playing with you. MP was the only one seriously aware of negative feedback, so I think at this point James, and the others, live in a bubble, for better or for worse.
He might think "nobody notices in the heat of the action", and frankly, if DTF is a measure, many actually don't.
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o_O?
I'm sorry, but do you guys just seriously not hear this?
James is pushing his vocals, but hitting a hard ceiling, with the result that he essentially hovers around one (wrong) note the whole time. At the end, when he should go even higher, he resorts to this ... bark thing.
Now I do.. The first thing I noticed about this section live though is that JLB changes the rhythmic of the verse.. Basically, he doesn't start the very first note/word of each line where he suposed to (along with the riff and the cymbals).. As for the tone, yeah, in the first vid he's out of it... but as guys up here have said, to hear it live is not the same, and he's nailed those lines when I saw them this year (which in fact happened only a couple of days before the Chile show)..
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I'm just gonna leave this discussion at the point where I think you guys are just not hearing it. Both clips are atrocious, it's like a dog barking into a microphone. James can be a great singer when in range, but in this section it's like listening to a dying animal.
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I'm just gonna leave this discussion at the point where I think you guys are just not hearing it. Both clips are atrocious, it's like a dog barking into a microphone. James can be a great singer when in range, but in this section it's like listening to a dying animal.
We do hear it fine. And it's not great.
But I am saying his voice was awesome in Tuscon. In those vids it doesn't sound great.
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I have strong doubts you were cognizant of the faults in Tucson. I think they were there just as in Chile, Boston and Hannover, but your excitement and adrenaline made you not realize them. I mean, it already took some "convincing" that the atrocious video samples were as bad as they are, whereas to any outside observer they were karaoke night level.
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to any outside observer they were karaoke night level.
Probably you should've leave the discussion as you said so you wouldn't get to say something like that.. :lol
Seriously though, at least *I* did say that I was hearing now what you were saying.. But then again, I didn't hear any BIG detuning by James the time I saw him this year (here's that part of LN from the show I went to, although with pretty bad quality :-\ https://youtu.be/9ZB63MxrkTk?t=78)
I just checked it with my keyboard and he doesn't "hovers around one (wrong) note the whole time" as you said; instead, the notes he sometimes hits and sometimes not are precisely the highest and lowest of the three.. While I hear he's out in those few notes, and I also agree about the 'barking' (lol), I think his performance is not THAT bad to consider the overdubbing in a hypothetical DVD..
If we're going to be that strictic, there are a lot of sections more where he doesn't reach well the notes, specially the highest, obviously.. ;D
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I think, at least, we can all agree that, if they make a DVD for TA, they'll overdub a lot of the vocals anyway :biggrin:
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That video is pretty much close to how he sang it. Which was awesome live. But then, I thought his vocals were too high in the mix at times that his vocals didn't blend too well with the music.
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I sing (lessons, classical/musical) and frequently do so with other people. When improperly recorded with much background noise, it can sound like shit. When recorded with a proper device, it usually sounds much better. But this depends on many factors. You can't possibly judge a performance on a crappy yt vid, though I do think you can hear James struggles there and that his pronounciation is basically absent because of it. In the two shows I attended, there were definitely quite a few moments where James sounded straight up bad. Still, having recorded myself many times now with my phone in surrounding nowhere near as loud as a concert, I can say crappy bootlegs can make thing sound way, way worse than they actually are.
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to any outside observer they were karaoke night level.
Probably you should've leave the discussion as you said so you wouldn't get to say something like that.. :lol
Seriously though, at least *I* did say that I was hearing now what you were saying.. But then again, I didn't hear any BIG detuning by James the time I saw him this year (here's that part of LN from the show I went to, although with pretty bad quality :-\ https://youtu.be/9ZB63MxrkTk?t=78)
I just checked it with my keyboard and he doesn't "hovers around one (wrong) note the whole time" as you said; instead, the notes he sometimes hits and sometimes not are precisely the highest and lowest of the three.. While I hear he's out in those few notes, and I also agree about the 'barking' (lol), I think his performance is not THAT bad to consider the overdubbing in a hypothetical DVD..
If we're going to be that strictic, there are a lot of sections more where he doesn't reach well the notes, specially the highest, obviously.. ;D
James sounds good here, and decent on the other vids. That's an incredibly difficult part, and I don't mind James "barking" it if he can recover for the following part. If he comes in flat after the shouting then yea that sucks. Expecting him to nail that with incredible power and perfect enunciation live when he has to sing the part that comes right after is ridiculous. He's got to pace himself a bit at times.
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I sing (lessons, classical/musical) and frequently do so with other people. When improperly recorded with much background noise, it can sound like shit. When recorded with a proper device, it usually sounds much better. But this depends on many factors. You can't possibly judge a performance on a crappy yt vid, though I do think you can hear James struggles there and that his pronounciation is basically absent because of it. In the two shows I attended, there were definitely quite a few moments where James sounded straight up bad. Still, having recorded myself many times now with my phone in surrounding nowhere near as loud as a concert, I can say crappy bootlegs can make thing sound way, way worse than they actually are.
This. I just watched both of those clips which sound all around terrible.
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I'm just gonna leave this discussion at the point where I think you guys are just not hearing it. Both clips are atrocious, it's like a dog barking into a microphone. James can be a great singer when in range, but in this section it's like listening to a dying animal.
To me the barking sounds like Nafaryus in a fit of anger
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLu0ClOcNQs&feature=youtu.be&t=85
There something I noticed in the video. If you go at 2:56, the sound temporarily gets muffled for some reason and James voice starts to sound pretty weird. But at 2:59 the sound gets back to normal and you realize that he actually sounds okay. So it seems to me that low quality recording can affect his voice negatively.
However, I'll agree with you that James seems to be struggling pretty hard in the section you've pointed out.
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However, I'll agree with you that James seems to be struggling pretty hard in the section you've pointed out.
Yea, I didnt mention this, but I do agree that JLB didn't handle this section greatly when I saw DT either. Just didn't think it's fair to rip him on such a poorly recorded video, but there is some fair criticism on this section, maybe there are other videos out there of it.
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This is all I have to say about that, and it was just as bad the three times I saw it live.
The twenty seconds following 1:22 in Lord Nafaryus might be the most annoying, unpleasant piece of audio DT has ever released. Other than that, I really like this album.
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This is all I have to say about that, and it was just as bad the three times I saw it live.
The twenty seconds following 1:22 in Lord Nafaryus might be the most annoying, unpleasant piece of audio DT has ever released. Other than that, I really like this album.
:o That's like my favorite part!!!!! I even showed it to my friend two days ago just because I thought it was awesome :rollin :rollin
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I just came back from the Clearwater concert and will be very sad if there is no video release of this performance. It was an amazing concert start to finish and I got all kinds of emotional at the end when it hit me that I've been listening to this band for 25 years now.
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Sorry if I'm late to the party, but are we pretty certain at this point that there won't be an Astonishing Blu-Ray? That would be a huge bummer for me. I'd love to see it captured live.
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Sorry if I'm late to the party, but are we pretty certain at this point that there won't be an Astonishing Blu-Ray?
No. People just speculating. It is the DTF way.
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Yes those clips sound awful. Some of that is due to an iphone recording, some due to the fact that James has never been a good live singer. You can get away with that in the heat of the moment during a concert where everything is turned up to 11, but not on a live DVD which listeners can hear properly.
Some people like me absolutely love TA but never got to see it live, and it would be a damn shame not to get a DVD of what is probably the most epic thing they, or maybe any band, has ever done. James sounds like hell? Just overdub the whole damn vocal track. While you're at it, overdub anything that that doesn't sound right. Who the hell cares? I want something that sounds great, not to listen to a bunch of mistakes just because its more "authentic".
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Yes those clips sound awful. Some of that is due to an iphone recording, some due to the fact that James has never been a good live singer. You can get away with that in the heat of the moment during a concert where everything is turned up to 11, but not on a live DVD which listeners can hear properly.
Some people like me absolutely love TA but never got to see it live, and it would be a damn shame not to get a DVD of what is probably the most epic thing they, or maybe any band, has ever done. James sounds like hell? Just overdub the whole damn vocal track. While you're at it, overdub anything that that doesn't sound right. Who the hell cares? I want something that sounds great, not to listen to a bunch of mistakes just because its more "authentic".
I like some cosmetic surgery on live releases, but not too much. Part of what makes a live release different to the studio counterpart is (apart from the obvious live setting) the subtle imperfections throughout. As you say, I'm not interested in hearing James (or anyone) screw up big time, but I indeed am looking forward to the small nuances and mistakes that normally make up the live release. If I wanted to listen to a 100% polished studio production, I'd put in the 100% studio production and not the live release. Also, they rely so heavily nowadays in backing tracks that the live release would be very much alike the studio version aside from the mixing which can bring a different element of the music upfront (such as the DT12 tunes in BTFW9).
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My concern is mainly the vocals - that's the weak link. Some their old DVDs (Live Scenes from NY) could have been way better with some overdubs. TSCO with Teresa and the choir could have been so incredible if not for James' vocals.
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Yes those clips sound awful. Some of that is due to an iphone recording, some due to the fact that James has never been a good live singer. You can get away with that in the heat of the moment during a concert where everything is turned up to 11, but not on a live DVD which listeners can hear properly.
Some people like me absolutely love TA but never got to see it live, and it would be a damn shame not to get a DVD of what is probably the most epic thing they, or maybe any band, has ever done. James sounds like hell? Just overdub the whole damn vocal track. While you're at it, overdub anything that that doesn't sound right. Who the hell cares? I want something that sounds great, not to listen to a bunch of mistakes just because its more "authentic".
Couldnt disagree more with some of this. First James is a decent live singer. He isn't always perfect, but he is far from "never been a good live singer" IMO. Also I'm with Darklord on the live release. No one wants major fuck ups, but I also don't want a perfect rendition of the album.... that's what the album is for.
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Yes those clips sound awful. Some of that is due to an iphone recording, some due to the fact that James has never been a good live singer. You can get away with that in the heat of the moment during a concert where everything is turned up to 11, but not on a live DVD which listeners can hear properly.
Some people like me absolutely love TA but never got to see it live, and it would be a damn shame not to get a DVD of what is probably the most epic thing they, or maybe any band, has ever done. James sounds like hell? Just overdub the whole damn vocal track. While you're at it, overdub anything that that doesn't sound right. Who the hell cares? I want something that sounds great, not to listen to a bunch of mistakes just because its more "authentic".
No issue "fixing" a major mistake, but absolutely not on board with a totally dubbed in vocal track. What's the point?
Couldnt disagree more with some of this. First James is a decent live singer. He isn't always perfect, but he is far from "never been a good live singer" IMO. Also I'm with Darklord on the live release. No one wants major fuck ups, but I also don't want a perfect rendition of the album.... that's what the album is for.
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Spoke to both JP and JLB about this last night at the last show of the tour. That was it for The Astonishing for the foreseeable future, and no DVD/Bluray was filmed. Both of them mentioned that the production could potentially be pulled back out at a future date for such a filming, but there are no concrete plans for it at this time.
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Spoke to both JP and JLB about this last night at the last show of the tour. That was it for The Astonishing for the foreseeable future, and no DVD/Bluray was filmed. Both of them mentioned that the production could potentially be pulled back out at a future date for such a filming, but there are no concrete plans for it at this time.
that really sucks, but not at all surprising. I don't see them pulling this back out in the future sadly.
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Spoke to both JP and JLB about this last night at the last show of the tour. That was it for The Astonishing for the foreseeable future, and no DVD/Bluray was filmed. Both of them mentioned that the production could potentially be pulled back out at a future date for such a filming, but there are no concrete plans for it at this time.
Massively disappointed by this but glad I saw it twice.
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Based on that, I don't think we will ever see a DVD of TA.
I don't see them randomly busting this full show, production and all, back out in the future.
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Spoke to both JP and JLB about this last night at the last show of the tour. That was it for The Astonishing for the foreseeable future, and no DVD/Bluray was filmed. Both of them mentioned that the production could potentially be pulled back out at a future date for such a filming, but there are no concrete plans for it at this time.
Sad news! Luckily I had the chance to see Astonishing live in Brazil last year!
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Spoke to both JP and JLB about this last night at the last show of the tour. That was it for The Astonishing for the foreseeable future, and no DVD/Bluray was filmed. Both of them mentioned that the production could potentially be pulled back out at a future date for such a filming, but there are no concrete plans for it at this time.
that really sucks, but not at all surprising. I don't see them pulling this back out in the future sadly.
Yeah, the chance for that is virtually nil. I assume they rented those screens.
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Spoke to both JP and JLB about this last night at the last show of the tour. That was it for The Astonishing for the foreseeable future, and no DVD/Bluray was filmed. Both of them mentioned that the production could potentially be pulled back out at a future date for such a filming, but there are no concrete plans for it at this time.
that really sucks, but not at all surprising. I don't see them pulling this back out in the future sadly.
I don't either.
TBH, what with the screens and the NOMAC chatter, I'm not sure it translate as well to video as a normal show. It needed to be seen live to fully appreciate the production.
Yeah, the chance for that is virtually nil. I assume they rented those screens.
I don't think so. For normal tours, I believe this is the case. But if I'm not mistaken, they bought this setup.
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Did you ask if there's any plan for a DVD from 2017 IaW tour?
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TBH, what with the screens and the NOMAC chatter, I'm not sure it translate as well to video as a normal show. It needed to be seen live to fully appreciate the production.
I always wondered that. The videos would have had a hard time standing on their own, since they were so clearly designed to be seen as slivers behind the band. So, the only thing they could have done would have been a plain ol' live DVD that just shows them playing on stage. But given the theatrical intent of TA, that probably would have been less than satisfying.
On another note, rats, now I will never know what they would have done with the Lord Nafaryus section.
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Well I'm happier than hell that I saw it live, it was F :hefdaddy ING AMAZING and I don't think any video would do it justice anyway.
TBH, what with the screens and the NOMAC chatter, I'm not sure it translate as well to video as a normal show. It needed to be seen live to fully appreciate the production.
I always wondered that. The videos would have had a hard time standing on their own, since they were so clearly designed to be seen as slivers behind the band. So, the only thing they could have done would have been a plain ol' live DVD that just shows them playing on stage. But given the theatrical intent of TA, that probably would have been less than satisfying.
On another note, rats, now I will never know what they would have done with the Lord Nafaryus section.
He would have sung it close and they would have pitch corrected it. Or just re-sing the whole section. Depends if it's on BTFW or LALP :laugh:
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Disappointing to me. Definitely do not see them doing it as a one-off in the future, now.
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Disappointing to me. Definitely do not see them doing it as a one-off in the future, now.
It could happen. They both mentioned it separately, so it has definitely been discussed as a possibility. We'll see.
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to no good footage of it on Youtube. This is actually incredibly lame and I'm pretty disappointed. They pulled out all the unnecessary stops (choir and orchestra) for that Boston gig, and they don't even film this one? I don't get it.
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to know good footage of it on Youtube. This is actually incredibly lame and I'm pretty disappointed. They pulled out all the unnecessary stops (choir and orchestra) for that Boston gig, and they don't even film this one? I don't get it.
The shows were probably not attended enough to warrant a film crew etc. Plus you have one chance to nail it. Of course you can touch it up later but still.
One chance for every technical thing to slot into place and everyone be on their best form.
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to know good footage of it on Youtube. This is actually incredibly lame and I'm pretty disappointed. They pulled out all the unnecessary stops (choir and orchestra) for that Boston gig, and they don't even film this one? I don't get it.
The shows were probably not attended enough to warrant a film crew etc. Plus you have one chance to nail it. Of course you can touch it up later but still.
One chance for every technical thing to slot into place and everyone be on their best form.
Outside of the crowds, everything else you mentioned applies to every other live release they've done. Also, regarding the crowd, had DT announced ahead of time a DVD filming, it would have sold out in no time.
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to know good footage of it on Youtube. This is actually incredibly lame and I'm pretty disappointed. They pulled out all the unnecessary stops (choir and orchestra) for that Boston gig, and they don't even film this one? I don't get it.
I think fan reaction probably played a role. If people aren't showing up to the concerts, why should the band invest money into a big time production? It just doesn't make business sense sadly.
I guess there are some legit concerns about how to film it while properly incorporating the background videos so they'd probably need a good director which means more money too.
The fact that they didn't let people record videos is just more salt in the wounds here since now there will never be any good footage from this tour.
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The euorpean tour sold pretty well with multiple nights in most cities.
The first american leg seems to have gone well too.... the second leg would probably have been better if placed in europe
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The euorpean tour sold pretty well with multiple nights in most cities.
The first american leg seems to have gone well too.... the second leg would probably have been better if placed in europe
I'd be very curious as to how a second european leg would do or other parts of the world that did not get TA.
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to no good footage of it on Youtube.
That is actually the real shame. I mean, this tour will probably go down as the "forgotten tour", where there is virtually no recording evidence of it, one way or the other.
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to no good footage of it on Youtube.
That is actually the real shame. I mean, this tour will probably go down as the "forgotten tour", where there is virtually no recording evidence of it, one way or the other.
I remember some of the audience videos of the ADTOE tour were nearly DVD quality :o
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to know good footage of it on Youtube. This is actually incredibly lame and I'm pretty disappointed. They pulled out all the unnecessary stops (choir and orchestra) for that Boston gig, and they don't even film this one? I don't get it.
The shows were probably not attended enough to warrant a film crew etc. Plus you have one chance to nail it. Of course you can touch it up later but still.
One chance for every technical thing to slot into place and everyone be on their best form.
Outside of the crowds, everything else you mentioned applies to every other live release they've done. Also, regarding the crowd, had DT announced ahead of time a DVD filming, it would have sold out in no time.
I'm sure there was more on this tour with regards to technical stuff that HAD to go right.
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Really bummed to hear my suspicion all but confirmed. That's really too bad, the show was fantastic and for me the lighting was easily my favorite part of the show, they synced quite well with the riffs of the songs and it was a joy to watch. Where I sat the sound was perfect and I could hear each instrument quite clearly along with JLB's voice who did do some weird and sudden high pitched adjustments but overall was still fantastic.
The encore of the show was a surprise to me because I didn't know the songs they were playing and wasn't sure if they were doing anything from their back catalog.
I did take some pics and one or two very short video clips as the attendants were very strict and clamped down on anyone taking videos and I saw them asking people to erase it from their phones right away.
(https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/faizoff/IMG_7306.jpg~original)
(https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/faizoff/IMG_7291.jpg~original)
Two video clips, 1st from Ravenskill. 2nd from That path that divides.
https://vid5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/faizoff/IMG_7308.mp4 (https://vid5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/faizoff/IMG_7308.mp4)
https://vid5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/faizoff/IMG_7311.mp4 (https://vid5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/faizoff/IMG_7311.mp4)
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Too bad, this would have been a fantastic show to watch on HD! I wonder what kept them from filming such a great production and performance? Like somebody else said, if they would have announced ahead of time that it was being filmed, that particular show would have likely sold out. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the record company and management put the kai-bosh on the idea all worried it would be a flop. If that's the case, they don't know DT fans very well do they!? Dang, I would have loved this show to be in my concert library.. :(
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The euorpean tour sold pretty well with multiple nights in most cities.
The first american leg seems to have gone well too.... the second leg would probably have been better if placed in europe
Well, to be honest, most if not the entire european tour was announced before the album release, so people bought the ticket on trust and the promise of something unique. Once the album was out, people who didn't like it just skipped the tour.
It's a pity there won't be a release, it's almost ironic that out of three tours with Mangini, the one that does not get a DVD is the one that was the most visually complex and theatrical. At least I've seen the show, and even if I was in a bad position (the very angle on top of the theatre), I still enjoyed it.
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Faizoff, great photos! :tup
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Well that really blows, and to put the icing on the cake, there's next to no good footage of it on Youtube.
That is actually the real shame. I mean, this tour will probably go down as the "forgotten tour", where there is virtually no recording evidence of it, one way or the other.
Not any more forgotten than the BC&SL tour. I literally have very little memory of what songs they played back then or which places did the tour visit.
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the record company and management put the kai-bosh on the idea all worried it would be a flop.
Probably this. I mean, there's a video game that was supposed to be out a few months ago and it's December and still no game. The Deluxe version was a total fiasco...I guess releasing a novel vs filming a DVD was a much lower risk move...And maybe even DT is paying the novel's author directly without the label being involved.
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There's supposed to be a game?
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There's supposed to be a game?
https://www.turbotapegames.com/portfolio-item/the-astonishing/
No update since June though.
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Wow. That's somewhat like the idea Metallica had for a game during the time Some Kind of Monster documentary came out, I think the DVD has a trailer for the game as well.
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I'm ok with no Astonishing DVD. I've got Luna Park and BTFW already.
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I'm ok with no Astonishing DVD. I've got Luna Park and BTFW already.
What does LP and BTFW have anything to do with a potential TA dvd? There's no overlap in songs.
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I'm ok with no Astonishing DVD. I've got Luna Park and BTFW already.
What does LP and BTFW have anything to do with a potential TA dvd? There's no overlap in songs.
Meaning Live at Luna and BTFW are hard to top. I think TA on dvd could top both of those!
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I'm ok with no Astonishing DVD. I've got Luna Park and BTFW already.
What does LP and BTFW have anything to do with a potential TA dvd? There's no overlap in songs.
Meaning Live at Luna and BTFW are hard to top. I think TA on dvd could top both of those!
I'd say LaLP could be topped, BTFW could be as well, but that's much harder to top.
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LALP sadly had really bad sound. BTFW on the other hand, yes, I agree, is hard to top.
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But this is the only chance to do a full recording of The Astonishing. Would be soo bummed if they did not take it...
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An interview done by the DT Radio asked whether there would be a dvd. Jordan says they still have plans to do it.
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An interview done by the DT Radio asked whether there would be a dvd. Jordan says they still have plans to do it.
I really hope they will.... it"s such a fantastic show
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For Audio only, the Boston show on the Bootlegs forum is just fine for me. Would definitely like the fully produced and video version though.
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An interview done by the DT Radio asked whether there would be a dvd. Jordan says they still have plans to do it.
When was that interview done? Maybe plans have changed.
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I'm ok with no Astonishing DVD. I've got Luna Park and BTFW already.
What does LP and BTFW have anything to do with a potential TA dvd? There's no overlap in songs.
Meaning I don't need every single Live DVD they put out.
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I'm ok with no Astonishing DVD. I've got Luna Park and BTFW already.
What does LP and BTFW have anything to do with a potential TA dvd? There's no overlap in songs.
Meaning I don't need every single Live DVD they put out.
Well of course you don't, no one needs it. I just want it.
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When was that interview done? Maybe plans have changed.
Dec. 2nd.
https://soundcloud.com/dreamtheaterradio/dtr-ep-26-jordan-rudess-interview
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Well, a lot can happen in FOUR days! :lol
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Wow, took me quite a while to find the section where he says it.
Hard to gauge the comment I find. Jordan's reply might have been a default "don't ever negate future plans in interviews" kind of response. I personally still lean towards Hef's answer being the likely one.
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And Hef's answer didn't leave out the possibility for a video in the future, just said nothing has been recorded and given that the tour is over, it seems unlikely they will film one.
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And Hef's answer didn't leave out the possibility for a video in the future, just said nothing has been recorded and given that the tour is over, it seems unlikely they will film one.
I didn't say it was unlikely. I said, essentially, that I personally doubted it would happen. But they don't take my personal gut instincts into consideration.
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I mean, I guess that would still leave the opportunity of a non-live DVD, which would be cool, but I doubt it.
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And Hef's answer didn't leave out the possibility for a video in the future, just said nothing has been recorded and given that the tour is over, it seems unlikely they will film one.
I didn't say it was unlikely. I said, essentially, that I personally doubted it would happen. But they don't take my personal gut instincts into consideration.
The unlikely part was my addition to your comment of them not filming anything yet. My wording may have made that appear to be your wording.
I'm just adding two and two together here. They didn't film anything + the tour is over = no TA dvd until they announce more TA concerts and hence the unlikeliness, but not out of the realm of possibility for sure.
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Did Australia and South America get a TA tour?
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Did Australia and South America get a TA tour?
South America did. I don't Australia was visited this time around.
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Did Australia and South America get a TA tour?
South America did. I don't Australia was visited this time around.
Neither Australia or Asia got TA live :-\
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I just want to point out to everybody that a friend of mine was at the Tucson show and James was sick that day and had his honey on him to help his voice during his performance. My friend was at that show.
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Did Australia and South America get a TA tour?
South America did. I don't Australia was visited this time around.
Neither Australia or Asia got TA live :-\
Hopefully we get the IaW tour instead. :D I actually would have given a TA show a pass.
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Did Australia and South America get a TA tour?
South America did. I don't Australia was visited this time around.
Neither Australia or Asia got TA live :-\
Hopefully we get the IaW tour instead. :D I actually would have given a TA show a pass.
What about a T&A show?
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Did Australia and South America get a TA tour?
South America did. I don't Australia was visited this time around.
Neither Australia or Asia got TA live :-\
Hopefully we get the IaW tour instead. :D I actually would have given a TA show a pass.
What about a T&A show?
It depends on whose T and whose A we're talking about.
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I'm going to the Images and Words and beyond tour but would have prefferred another chance to see The Astonishing again.
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Dammit.
I really want a TA Blu-Ray. At least my concert experience was memorable.
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I can't get over this right now. If ever DT have done a tour that has warranted a really polished live filming, this is surely the one - and as things stand they appear to have given it a miss. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I feel the only way this could realistically still happen is if they bring it back for a couple of one-off shows in 2017. I don't suppose it's feasible to do the whole show on one night, but they could do something like what they did for Luna Park and have two consecutive nights at the same venue with the cameras rolling and then they can pick and choose for each song.
Surely they can't just abandon the idea. Surely.
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I can't get over this right now. If ever DT have done a tour that has warranted a really polished live filming, this is surely the one - and as things stand they appear to have given it a miss. It just doesn't make sense to me.
That's my general thought as well. I love BTFW, but in hindsight, I think I'd rather have seen the band skip a live DVD release on that tour and done one for this tour. TA is such a different experience and likely won't be played in it's entirety again.
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I agree.
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Yeah. I'm totally baffled by this move.
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Well, the "no more TA" wasnt for the world, it was specific for the US market. Just sayin'...
They still have asian/oz dates possibilities to slot in before the summer.
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Well, the "no more TA" wasnt for the world, it was specific for the US market. Just sayin'...
They still have asian/oz dates possibilities to slot in before the summer.
Ah, gotcha..
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Well, the "no more TA" wasnt for the world, it was specific for the US market. Just sayin'...
They still have asian/oz dates possibilities to slot in before the summer.
To me, it will depend on how much of TA is in the I&W&B setlist and if they keep the screens for that tour. If they do, then it could be fairly easy to go back to a TA show for asia/oz. But I am not totally sure that makes a whole let of sense to go back to a tour after starting a new one.
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Dream Theater: The Astonishing Live At The Sydney Opera House.
Calling it now.
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Dream Theater: The Astonishing Live At The Sydney Opera House.
Calling it now.
If it's going to be filmed, I'd bet that's the spot given what we know.
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Dream Theater: The Astonishing Live At The Sydney Opera House.
Calling it now.
Would be amazing...
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Dream Theater: The Astonishing Live At The Sydney Opera House.
Calling it now.
If it's going to be filmed, I'd bet that's the spot given what we know.
That would be awesome! I guess I was just under the impression it was highly likely that once they started the I&W tour, they wouldn't be going back to the full TA production show again.
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Well, I trust noxon on all things DT, and y'all be wise to do the same.
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I can't get over this right now. If ever DT have done a tour that has warranted a really polished live filming, this is surely the one - and as things stand they appear to have given it a miss. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I feel the only way this could realistically still happen is if they bring it back for a couple of one-off shows in 2017. I don't suppose it's feasible to do the whole show on one night, but they could do something like what they did for Luna Park and have two consecutive nights at the same venue with the cameras rolling and then they can pick and choose for each song.
Surely they can't just abandon the idea. Surely.
Good idea but unlikely. By then they will have not played TA for quite a while and their performance of it would not be as polished as it is now. They will be playing I&W along with other songs and into a completely different mode by then. They wouldn't have the time to keep rehearsing TA while keeping up with their new tour..
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I can't get over this right now. If ever DT have done a tour that has warranted a really polished live filming, this is surely the one - and as things stand they appear to have given it a miss. It just doesn't make sense to me.
That's my general thought as well. I love BTFW, but in hindsight, I think I'd rather have seen the band skip a live DVD release on that tour and done one for this tour. TA is such a different experience and likely won't be played in it's entirety again.
I totally agree with both. TA is probably the most unique show of their career, with the best visuals, best lighting, best sound, best venues ... why they didn't film it during the first or second leg is beyond me. I doubt they will revive such a big production just to shoot a DVD but I'd love to be wrong. At least I saw the show 3 times ;D
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Can I ask, in what way was TA more of a production than previous tours? DT12 had a full opening animation, had the really cool Enigma Machine video etc.
TA had distributed screens and continuous videos, but as a whole I don't see how it was all that much bigger than previous ones. In fact, I kinda felt that it was a bit low balling it given its intended grandiosity.
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Well... DT kept saying about how immersive an experience it was, after a while people started to agree since it must be true.
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Can I ask, in what way was TA more of a production than previous tours? DT12 had a full opening animation, had the really cool Enigma Machine video etc.
TA had distributed screens and continuous videos, but as a whole I don't see how it was all that much bigger than previous ones. In fact, I kinda felt that it was a bit low balling it given its intended grandiosity.
I think it was a lot more of a overall production. I mean, I've seen every tour at least once since IaW, the early days it was basic, then they added some screens which was more for showing them playing live and MP of course took advantage, which were some great shows. Then, some vids opening the show and maybe a few during, but the lighting was always kinda generic. This show had superior lighting by far, and the video production was constant without showing the cam shots of themselves playing, so I would RESPECTFULLY disagree.
Side note: I kinda wish they would go back to always show them playing on the screens as I love that aspect especially during the unisons.
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The lighting might have been better on this tour, but I actually liked the big huge screen of the DT12 tour better than the broken up screens. I'm curious how the TA videos would have come off on the DT12 tour screen.
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Dream Theater: The Astonishing Live At The Sydney Opera House.
Calling it now.
Already did:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48030.msg2197562#msg2197562
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Yeah, the light show on this tour was tremendous.
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Can I ask, in what way was TA more of a production than previous tours? DT12 had a full opening animation, had the really cool Enigma Machine video etc.
TA had distributed screens and continuous videos, but as a whole I don't see how it was all that much bigger than previous ones. In fact, I kinda felt that it was a bit low balling it given its intended grandiosity.
I got that impression from various interviews that I can't find any more, except this one:
https://bravewords.com/features/dream-theater-gearing-up-for-the-astonishing-tour-weve-never-had-production-at-this-level
JLB: "We were preparing this tour as far as production goes a year before we hit the first show because it's quite elaborate."
The thing I don't understand is, JP and JR mentioned in many interviews that there will be a live DVD, and that they're so proud of TA. They had many chances to film it in 2016, why didn't they do it?
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The lighting might have been better on this tour, but I actually liked the big huge screen of the DT12 tour better than the broken up screens. I'm curious how the TA videos would have come off on the DT12 tour screen.
I think the broken up screens were phenomenal, but very much depending on where you sit in the theater. I saw the show once from the balcony in the middle very far away from the stage (Amsterdam), once from the balcony row 1 very much at the side (Hannover) and once from row 10 in the middle (Bochum). The effect of the screens was zero in Hannover (I loved the show nevertheless, I concentrated on the band all the time and the audience was so enthusiastic). In Bochum the screens worked very well but no comparison to Amsterdam. I was blown away by the effect there. The action on the screens and the band were mixed in a great way, sometimes it seemed like the whole stage was moving and like MM was flying around on his drum set, I've never seen anything like that before.
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The lighting might have been better on this tour, but I actually liked the big huge screen of the DT12 tour better than the broken up screens. I'm curious how the TA videos would have come off on the DT12 tour screen.
I think the broken up screens were phenomenal, but very much depending on where you sit in the theater. I saw the show once from the balcony in the middle very far away from the stage (Amsterdam), once from the balcony row 1 very much at the side (Hannover) and once from row 10 in the middle (Bochum). The effect of the screens was zero in Hannover (I loved the show nevertheless, I concentrated on the band all the time and the audience was so enthusiastic). In Bochum the screens worked very well but no comparison to Amsterdam. I was blown away by the effect there. The action on the screens and the band were mixed in a great way, sometimes it seemed like the whole stage was moving and like MM was flying around on his drum set, I've never seen anything like that before.
Yea, I thought they were great overall, was just stating I like one big screen better than multiple smaller screens. Just a matter of opinion, but it's also possible the multiple screens worked better for the way the animation was presented. I also sat in the first row and the liek 20th row for my two shows so I had great views although the show at the 1st row, I hardly looked at the screens since I had never been that close to the band, my eyes were on them.
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The lighting might have been better on this tour, but I actually liked the big huge screen of the DT12 tour better than the broken up screens. I'm curious how the TA videos would have come off on the DT12 tour screen.
I think the broken up screens were phenomenal, but very much depending on where you sit in the theater. I saw the show once from the balcony in the middle very far away from the stage (Amsterdam), once from the balcony row 1 very much at the side (Hannover) and once from row 10 in the middle (Bochum). The effect of the screens was zero in Hannover (I loved the show nevertheless, I concentrated on the band all the time and the audience was so enthusiastic). In Bochum the screens worked very well but no comparison to Amsterdam. I was blown away by the effect there. The action on the screens and the band were mixed in a great way, sometimes it seemed like the whole stage was moving and like MM was flying around on his drum set, I've never seen anything like that before.
Yea, I thought they were great overall, was just stating I like one big screen better than multiple smaller screens. Just a matter of opinion, but it's also possible the multiple screens worked better for the way the animation was presented. I also sat in the first row and the liek 20th row for my two shows so I had great views although the show at the 1st row, I hardly looked at the screens since I had never been that close to the band, my eyes were on them.
I never managed to get that close to the band, if I would I'd probably not even remember if there were any screens on stage!
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I also sat in the first row ...., I hardly looked at the screens since I had never been that close to the band, my eyes were on them.
Isn't it a great experience?
Yea, I thought they were great overall, was just stating I like one big screen better
My favorite shot on the big screen on the DT12 tour was when it simply showed a brick wall.
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I also sat in the first row ...., I hardly looked at the screens since I had never been that close to the band, my eyes were on them.
Isn't it a great experience?
Yea, I thought they were great overall, was just stating I like one big screen better
My favorite shot on the big screen on the DT12 tour was when it simply showed a brick wall.
lol and yes, it's weird cause it felt like the band was playing directly to me and maybe the sit down environment helped that in a way cause it was so relaxed.
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, it's weird cause it felt like the band was playing directly to me
I've told this story before but for the BC&SL tour, my wife and I were front row dead center. During the Hollow Years outro my wife was locked into JM, and must've had a serious look on her face. So MP locks eyes with my wife and draws a smile in the air with his drumstick. All while playing. It was totally cool.
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, it's weird cause it felt like the band was playing directly to me
I've told this story before but for the BC&SL tour, my wife and I were front row dead center. During the Hollow Years outro my wife was locked into JM, and must've had a serious look on her face. So MP locks eyes with my wife and draws a smile in the air with his drumstick. All while playing. It was totally cool.
:metal :metal
That's pretty awesome. I thought it was also cool how JP shook my hand after. Like he knew I was into it, or at least that's what I want to think. :yarr
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, it's weird cause it felt like the band was playing directly to me
I've told this story before but for the BC&SL tour, my wife and I were front row dead center. During the Hollow Years outro my wife was locked into JM, and must've had a serious look on her face. So MP locks eyes with my wife and draws a smile in the air with his drumstick. All while playing. It was totally cool.
That's a cool story.
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Dream Theater: The Astonishing Live At The Sydney Opera House.
Calling it now.
Already did:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48030.msg2197562#msg2197562
I think I've been calling for Dream Theater Live At The Sydney Opera House for every tour since Score! :lol
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I can only imagine two scenarios:
- They secretly filmed shows from the soundboard. Wouldn't be bad, since the tour lived off the screens
- A dedicated non live recording, a la Pink Floyd at Pompeii. Unlikely, but tantalizing.
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- A dedicated non live recording, a la Pink Floyd at Pompeii. Unlikely, but tantalizing.
What this could potentially benefit is the way to include the videos with the performance. Like they could adjust angles of the screens and whatnot so it can look better on film (if there were actual problems with this). Also could more easily incorporate a choir/orchestra in a non live setting.
Personally, I'd rather them perform in front of an audience though.
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- A dedicated non live recording, a la Pink Floyd at Pompeii. Unlikely, but tantalizing.
What this could potentially benefit is the way to include the videos with the performance. Like they could adjust angles of the screens and whatnot so it can look better on film (if there were actual problems with this). Also could more easily incorporate a choir/orchestra in a non live setting.
Personally, I'd rather them perform in front of an audience though.
So you could have a live album without an audience or a (BTFW I'm looking at you) studio album with an audience. ;D
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
I do wonder if they rotate TA songs on the I&W tour to keep those songs fresh for the band if there is a scheduled TA filming in the future.
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
The only thing keeping me optimistic about one day being able to watch The Astonishing in my living room are posts like this.
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
Calling it now. They will be filming this at Heaven's Cove.
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
Calling it now. They will be filming this at Heaven's Cove.
Where is that?
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
Calling it now. They will be filming this at Heaven's Cove.
Where is that?
I would think somewhere near Ravenskill, outside of the Great Northern Empire.. :biggrin:
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
Calling it now. They will be filming this at Heaven's Cove.
When the moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
Calling it now. They will be filming this at Heaven's Cove.
When the moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
So we will never get a dvd
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I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
IOW, leaving TA props and screens in America and picking them up when they fly back to Australia and Asia?
It's not that astonishing to think they just decided 1 leg of TA is enough in any certain area. The first leg of each tour was well-attended. But since they've already booked Europe, they're going to do I&W instead, than go back to TA for Asia/Down Under.
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I find it rather unlikely that DT would resume touring for TA after touring for IAW for a year, and also given their experience with the second leg of TA.
I will just say that what is currently under discussion by the band makes sense in terms of logistics and...all other things necessary to be considered.
Calling it now. They will be filming this at Heaven's Cove.
When the moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
So we will never get a dvd
We will. In the Age of Aquarius.
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Dream Theater just posted to their FB page "Dream Theater - The Astonishing Out 1.29 | Official Site Tour". When you go to the site, the first date, is on 1/30/17. What's with this 1/29 Astonishing Out?
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Isn't that the date that the album released this year? Maybe they're just way behind on updating the site.
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Isn't that the date that the album released this year? Maybe they're just way behind on updating the site.
Interesting. Just looked it up. It was. It'd be pretty cool if they played it one final time on the one one year anniversary for a live recording.
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On the anniversary they're busy playing in Rome - or traveling there.
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On the anniversary they're busy playing in Rome - or traveling there.
Yea I saw that that this morning and looked like an old headline that got inserted for the new tour with the timeliness lining up.
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Well Jordan did say in his interview before the Dec. 2nd show in Orlando (which I was at ) that there will be a dvd for the Astonishing show but he didn't know when...I didn't ever hear of any of the shows being filmed..
Hmmm.....
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Well Jordan did say in his interview before the Dec. 2nd show in Orlando (which I was at ) that there will be a dvd for the Astonishing show but he didn't know when...I didn't ever hear of any of the shows being filmed..
Hmmm.....
Source?
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Well Jordan did say in his interview before the Dec. 2nd show in Orlando (which I was at ) that there will be a dvd for the Astonishing show but he didn't know when...I didn't ever hear of any of the shows being filmed..
Hmmm.....
Source?
https://soundcloud.com/dreamtheaterradio/dtr-ep-26-jordan-rudess-interview
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I'm calling it now: They want to keep all the fans happy/willing to spend money, so instead of just releasing an Astonishing blu ray, they're recording an I&W set to go with it. They'll package it together as 'Astonishing Images' or some shit. 'Dream Theater playing their newest album and also one of their oldest'. That way, even the people who didn't like TA will buy it for I&W, and maybe they'll change their minds about TA after seeing the visual experience that goes with it.
/wishful thinking
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I'm calling it now: They want to keep all the fans happy/willing to spend money, so instead of just releasing an Astonishing blu ray, they're recording an I&W set to go with it. They'll package it together as 'Astonishing Images' or some shit. 'Dream Theater playing their newest album and also one of their oldest'. That way, even the people who didn't like TA will buy it for I&W, and maybe they'll change their minds about TA after seeing the visual experience that goes with it.
/wishful thinking
Damn! Nice job!!
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That's a very possible way of doing it. Also, there's a couple of dates with back to back shows so that could also help with the recording
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I'm calling it now: They want to keep all the fans happy/willing to spend money, so instead of just releasing an Astonishing blu ray, they're recording an I&W set to go with it. They'll package it together as 'Astonishing Images' or some shit. 'Dream Theater playing their newest album and also one of their oldest'. That way, even the people who didn't like TA will buy it for I&W, and maybe they'll change their minds about TA after seeing the visual experience that goes with it.
/wishful thinking
Damn! Nice job!!
That would be quite a packaged set. I'd love it. While dreaming, might as well include the "and beyond" part of the I&W shows as bonus material.
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I really can't see DT releasing an IAW DVD. How would that not be compared to Live in Tokyo?
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I really can't see DT releasing an IAW DVD. How would that not be compared to Live in Tokyo?
JP: Wow, my guitar tone is so much better now
JR: Pull Me Under will sound so much better with unauthorized arpeggios
MM: Changing hi hats when the band changes keys will make a big difference
JM: ...
JL: *crying*
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I'm calling it now: They want to keep all the fans happy/willing to spend money, so instead of just releasing an Astonishing blu ray, they're recording an I&W set to go with it. They'll package it together as 'Astonishing Images' or some shit. 'Dream Theater playing their newest album and also one of their oldest'. That way, even the people who didn't like TA will buy it for I&W, and maybe they'll change their minds about TA after seeing the visual experience that goes with it.
/wishful thinking
Damn! Nice job!!
That would be quite a packaged set. I'd love it. While dreaming, might as well include the "and beyond" part of the I&W shows as bonus material.
That actually could be really cool. I&W in its entirety and TA in its entirety. All the other songs from the I&W tour could be bonus material along with the TA animations or something.
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I really can't see DT releasing an IAW DVD. How would that not be compared to Live in Tokyo?
Live in Tokyo didn't have Metropolis or Learning to Live.
2/5 of the band is different now.
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Live in Tokyo blows anyway. It's a chopped up incomplete show. Yeah the footage is great and all, but I don't even really consider it when discussing DT DVDs.
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Live in Tokyo blows anyway. It's a chopped up incomplete show. Yeah the footage is great and all, but I don't even really consider it when discussing DT DVDs.
Also, we're discussing the possibility of full TA + full IAW + the "beyond" part of the set (a package of ALL that stuff would be INSANE, in a good way) VS Live in Tokyo, which comes with, wait for it... 5YIALT, which was, imo, their most disappointing live release ever. And that has nothing to do with the lineup, I really enjoy DS work, but somehow they (MP?) decided to offer some random shots from different periods over those 5 years, it just isn't cohesive and they even included those weird covers and all that stuff. A live video release od OIALT would've been much much better.
There's just no comparison point :biggrin:
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I really like both live in Tokyo and 5yialt but neither of those are complete concert dvds, Tokyo is close, but they wouldn't directly compare to a new ta/i&w DVD released 15+ years apart
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I don't think Rumby was talking about setlists. I think he was more referring to comparing the energy/performance of the band members, which would be night and day.
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I don't think Rumby was talking about setlists. I think he was more referring to comparing the energy/performance of the band members, which would be night and day.
So the band shouldn't release any live footage of the older songs because now that they are older, there will be differences? I mean, they're always going to be compared to something else they've put out. I really don't see how that is an issue, unless their performance is just "poor" now and not worthy of being on a recorded dvd.
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So Ernie Ball unveiled this late last week. I'm going to be super optimistic and assume that The Astonishing wasn't yet filmed for a live DVD/Blu Ray because JP wants it to be filmed with him playing this. I've read only 20 were made to be sold at $10K a piece, and they sold out in an hour.
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THat's just beautiful. But is it just a noise machine? :lol
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They look junky and fugly to me, the gold more so. I'm still mixed on the look of the regular Majesty guitar as it is. I wouldn't want to play one of these and mess it up though, definitely seems more of a collector's item than intended as a playable instrument.
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They look junky and fugly to me, the gold more so. I'm still mixed on the look of the regular Majesty guitar as it is. I wouldn't want to play one of these and mess it up though, definitely seems more of a collector's item than intended as a playable instrument.
They made them in more than one color? I figured silver was the only one to match the Nomacs, and that gold hue was just due to shitty lighting.
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They look junky and fugly to me, the gold more so. I'm still mixed on the look of the regular Majesty guitar as it is. I wouldn't want to play one of these and mess it up though, definitely seems more of a collector's item than intended as a playable instrument.
They made them in more than one color? I figured silver was the only one to match the Nomacs, and that gold hue was just due to shitty lighting.
Dunno, you might be right. I much prefer the silver look to the apparent gold look either way, so I'd rather that be the case.
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I saw a couple videos about this guitar from NAMM, I believe they were only made in silver, the lighting in that one picture is just weird.
I thought they were really cool, but seem like much more of a collectors item than a gigging guitar.
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I would love to have one, but I would probably just hang it on a wall and never touch it, which seems a sad fate for a guitar.
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I just looked up some footage from NAMM, and the one in the case is definitely the silver. Must just be some wonky colour balance on those particular photos.
In silver, it looks ok, but it has a bit of a plastic toy look. I'm sure it would look much better in person though.
I would love to have one, but I would probably just hang it on a wall and never touch it, which seems a sad fate for a guitar.
I'd say that's really the target market for this particular model.
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I would love to have one, but I would probably just hang it on a wall and never touch it, which seems a sad fate for a guitar.
I'd say that's really the target market for this particular model.
Absolutely, and I guess it worked. According to what Chino said, they sold out of that (very) limited run already.
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I think they look cool actually, but yeah, that much stuff in the middle of the body will probably mean they won't sound all that great.
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That is awesome! I like the other JP models just as much. However I think PRS makes the prettiest guitars in existence.
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I think they look cool actually, but yeah, that much stuff in the middle of the body will probably mean they won't sound all that great.
You never know. Depends whether it is carved into the wood or is some other material inlayed. And if the latter, depends on what kind of material and how it is inlayed. Right? Just because a guitar body is carved to have a very nontraditional shape or texture doesn't necessary mean it won't sound good. For example, I have always thought that Lynch's Mr. Scary guitar sounded pretty great.
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Yeah, it's all a question of how far into the wood they went with these adornments. If they're just on the surface, yes, that probably won't affect too much. If however they went deep into it, now you essentially have a hole in the middle of the body, and that just has to affect things.
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I'd be curious to know whether the approach from EBMM was: (1) Let's just make sure this looks as cool as possible, and who cares what it sounds like; or (2) Let's make this look as cool as possible, but let's really spend some time to make sure it sounds good too, which will be a challenge.
Any bets on whether any of these 20 actually get played for more than the first 5 minutes of ownership after being permanently put in a case? :lol
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I highly suspect that none of them will ever see a change of strings, that's for sure.
Very likely at least one of them will find its way to a Meet & Greet I think.
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I highly suspect that none of them will ever see a change of strings, that's for sure.
Very likely at least one of them will find its way to a Meet & Greet I think.
I think that both of those are highly likely.
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IF I had the disposable income to buy one of those, there is no way I would want it marred by a Sharpie. It already has JP's signature on the backplate and the headstock anyway.
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IF I had the disposable income to buy one of those, there is no way I would want it marred by a Sharpie. It already has JP's signature on the backplate and the headstock anyway.
A thousand times this. If I had one, I would take it to the M&G only for a pic with JP and the guitar, but never an autograph like that.
Also, I think the concept behind this is really cool, even though the guitar itself looks a little weird. I expect JP to use it on the TA songs for the upcoming tour (unless he plays some of the 7 string songs, just like he did with his BAI guitar on the ADTOE tour, very cool.
That is awesome! I like the other JP models just as much. However I think PRS makes the prettiest guitars in existence.
Have you heard of Kiesel? They're killing it on the market right now. Much better quality, sound and looks than most stuff out there at a very reasonable price.
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Back on topic, I hope this is the reason why they have been delaying the annoucement of the DVD, if that's gonna happen at all.. They can't waste this whole "TA live" thing and missing this chance to make an spectacular filmed show.. I'm not expecting nothing more than they playing the entire album, that alone would make it spectacular..
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I think they look cool actually, but yeah, that much stuff in the middle of the body will probably mean they won't sound all that great.
You never know. Depends whether it is carved into the wood or is some other material inlayed. And if the latter, depends on what kind of material and how it is inlayed. Right? Just because a guitar body is carved to have a very nontraditional shape or texture doesn't necessary mean it won't sound good. For example, I have always thought that Lynch's Mr. Scary guitar sounded pretty great.
Kirk hammett played a guitar on stage once that was made PURELY for tone at the expense of looking good.
It looked like a NERF gun but sounded amazing so...
And i've never liked PRS. They always sound compressed or dry to me. That Santana sound. really muffled and toneless.
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And i've never liked PRS. They always sound compressed or dry to me. That Santana sound. really muffled and toneless.
PRS makes incredible guitars of all sorts, they have signature models for a lot of heavy rock/metal artists and have far diversified their product line to fit in different genres beyond that original Santana sound they became known for in some circles. If something sounds compressed or dry that strikes me as more of an amp/pedal thing than a guitar thing. Seriously though, I own 2 PRSs and love them to death, great sounding, great play-ability, well-made guitars.
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I just want JP to release a Majesty guitar with the same picasso paintjob his old Ibanez guitars had. That would be perfect.
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I somewhat doubt JP has as much nostalgia for his Ibanez as we do :lol
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I somewhat doubt JP has as much nostalgia for his Ibanez as we do :lol
I know, but would be very very cool to see. I always wondered why he ditched that finish when he made the swith to MM. His first MM model was very basic looking, while the Ibanez was perfect. Maybe something to do with the design rights?
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IMO, the Ibanezes still play a lot better than the EBMM. I'd take a top-level Ibanez Prestige over the EB guitar any day. The EBMM does have a little bit meatier tone, but it comes at the sacrifice of playability.
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IMO, the Ibanezes still play a lot better than the EBMM. I'd take a top-level Ibanez Prestige over the EB guitar any day. The EBMM does have a little bit meatier tone, but it comes at the sacrifice of playability.
I guess it comes down to the player. I own a few Ibanezes (though admittedly not a prestige) and four EBMMs (the earlier models) and the EBMMs are the most playable guitars I have.
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I guess it comes down to the player. I own a few Ibanezes (though admittedly not a prestige) and four EBMMs (the earlier models) and the EBMMs are the most playable guitars I have.
The difference between a Prestige and a normal Ibanez is substantial. Even the difference between a Prestige and the new Premium line is substantial. IMO, RG Prestige are the best guitars money can buy.
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That is awesome! I like the other JP models just as much. However I think PRS makes the prettiest guitars in existence.
Have you heard of Kiesel? They're killing it on the market right now. Much better quality, sound and looks than most stuff out there at a very reasonable price.
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Yes, Kiesel and Carvin guitars are awesome!
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I somewhat doubt JP has as much nostalgia for his Ibanez as we do :lol
I know, but would be very very cool to see. I always wondered why he ditched that finish when he made the swith to MM. His first MM model was very basic looking, while the Ibanez was perfect. Maybe something to do with the design rights?
I don't think so - pretty sure that he attached no personal special meaning to the picasso design. In fact, if it was something he actually liked, I imagine that it would've carried over to the EB/MM guitars, or at least something similar.
IIRC, it was a random design that was on the guitar he picked and he became associated with it. It wasn't something that he specifically chose or designed when he started using Ibanez guitars.
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I have a Music Man JP6 and 2 Ibanez, the Steve Vai and the Andy Timmos models.
I prefer the Ibanezs, but that just me, I can´t say one brand is better than the other. The top guitars of both brands are superb.
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I somewhat doubt JP has as much nostalgia for his Ibanez as we do :lol
I know, but would be very very cool to see. I always wondered why he ditched that finish when he made the swith to MM. His first MM model was very basic looking, while the Ibanez was perfect. Maybe something to do with the design rights?
I don't think so - pretty sure that he attached no personal special meaning to the picasso design. In fact, if it was something he actually liked, I imagine that it would've carried over to the EB/MM guitars, or at least something similar.
IIRC, it was a random design that was on the guitar he picked and he became associated with it. It wasn't something that he specifically chose or designed when he started using Ibanez guitars.
I can't believe it's been so many years and nobody (that we know of) has asked him about that design on any interview, etc.
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I somewhat doubt JP has as much nostalgia for his Ibanez as we do :lol
I know, but would be very very cool to see. I always wondered why he ditched that finish when he made the swith to MM. His first MM model was very basic looking, while the Ibanez was perfect. Maybe something to do with the design rights?
I don't think so - pretty sure that he attached no personal special meaning to the picasso design. In fact, if it was something he actually liked, I imagine that it would've carried over to the EB/MM guitars, or at least something similar.
IIRC, it was a random design that was on the guitar he picked and he became associated with it. It wasn't something that he specifically chose or designed when he started using Ibanez guitars.
I can't believe it's been so many years and nobody (that we know of) has asked him about that design on any interview, etc.
I don't think most people have ascribed any particular significance to it, so that's probably why.
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I somewhat doubt JP has as much nostalgia for his Ibanez as we do :lol
I know, but would be very very cool to see. I always wondered why he ditched that finish when he made the swith to MM. His first MM model was very basic looking, while the Ibanez was perfect. Maybe something to do with the design rights?
I don't think so - pretty sure that he attached no personal special meaning to the picasso design. In fact, if it was something he actually liked, I imagine that it would've carried over to the EB/MM guitars, or at least something similar.
IIRC, it was a random design that was on the guitar he picked and he became associated with it. It wasn't something that he specifically chose or designed when he started using Ibanez guitars.
I can't believe it's been so many years and nobody (that we know of) has asked him about that design on any interview, etc.
I don't think most people have ascribed any particular significance to it, so that's probably why.
Well it was definitely a talking point when he first moved to the EB/MM guitars since he had been associated with the picasso design. I'm sure someone could probably dig up an interview where it's addressed, but after 16 or so years, it's not an issue any longer. From what little I can recall, when I asked him about it, I think he said that he was just moving on. It was funny to see his reaction when I showed him this photo:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/SetlistScotty/ebmm_picassoZ.jpg)
Something I photoshopped - freaked him out a bit! :biggrin:
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:lol Well, what I meant was, along the lines of what you had previously posted, I never got the sense that he was emotionally invested in that particular artwork in the long-term.
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Well it was definitely a talking point when he first moved to the EB/MM guitars since he had been associated with the picasso design. I'm sure someone could probably dig up an interview where it's addressed, but after 16 or so years, it's not an issue any longer. From what little I can recall, when I asked him about it, I think he said that he was just moving on. It was funny to see his reaction when I showed him this photo:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/SetlistScotty/ebmm_picassoZ.jpg)
Something I photoshopped - freaked him out a bit! :biggrin:
:lol that's amazing! I can only imagine his "what the..." face after seeing this
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Nice, Scotty, I was just about to do something like this but glad you already had it done. It actually looks really cool.
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Well it was definitely a talking point when he first moved to the EB/MM guitars since he had been associated with the picasso design. I'm sure someone could probably dig up an interview where it's addressed, but after 16 or so years, it's not an issue any longer. From what little I can recall, when I asked him about it, I think he said that he was just moving on. It was funny to see his reaction when I showed him this photo:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/SetlistScotty/ebmm_picassoZ.jpg)
Something I photoshopped - freaked him out a bit! :biggrin:
The 7-string is supposed to be the black and white design. :biggrin: :P
That's awesome! :tup
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I wouldn't trade my JP12 for 3 prestige ibbies, but that's only personnal taste and confort !
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I dunno. It looks like it belongs in a reggae band.
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Well, he's already got the beard. How 'bout some dreads, John? :rollin
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Random thought: What would people's thoughts be on an Astonishing/I&W Anniversary video?
I think that I would prefer a recording of just The Astonishing, but I wouldn't complain if they played a special show where the first set was an hour of Astonishing material and then the second set was I&W plus the encore. Could be fun.
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Random thought: What would people's thoughts be on an Astonishing/I&W Anniversary video?
I think that I would prefer a recording of just The Astonishing, but I wouldn't complain if they played a special show where the first set was an hour of Astonishing material and then the second set was I&W plus the encore. Could be fun.
I'd be cool with it, granted for a DVD I'd love to have the whole TA. Iron Maiden did something similar, they toured playing all of A Matter of Life and Death and then after did shows where it was split AMoLaD and The Number of the Beast as it was the 25th anniversary of that album. Rumor was they recorded the Donnington show for DVD release but it was a poor performance so it never saw the light of day and therefore we as fans never got a DVD of the songs from that album. Sounds familiar.
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Random thought: What would people's thoughts be on an Astonishing/I&W Anniversary video?
I think that I would prefer a recording of just The Astonishing, but I wouldn't complain if they played a special show where the first set was an hour of Astonishing material and then the second set was I&W plus the encore. Could be fun.
I'd be cool with it, granted for a DVD I'd love to have the whole TA. Iron Maiden did something similar, they toured playing all of A Matter of Life and Death and then after did shows where it was split AMoLaD and The Number of the Beast as it was the 25th anniversary of that album. Rumor was they recorded the Donnington show for DVD release but it was a poor performance so it never saw the light of day and therefore we as fans never got a DVD of the songs from that album. Sounds familiar.
I love Images and Words, but I'll be fucking livid if we get a gutted live version of The Astonishing because they decided to make it a combo performance featuring live versions of songs that are all already on DVD's.
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Random thought: What would people's thoughts be on an Astonishing/I&W Anniversary video?
I think that I would prefer a recording of just The Astonishing, but I wouldn't complain if they played a special show where the first set was an hour of Astonishing material and then the second set was I&W plus the encore. Could be fun.
I'd be cool with it, granted for a DVD I'd love to have the whole TA.
Yeah, it should be the whole album..
The thing is, if they're doing that, it would take three! hours of show (2 hours and 10 minutes of TA and 1 hour of I&W -counting the extended version of TtT-, although it'll sure be even more than that, having in consideration the breaks, the spaces between songs, and other fragments they could add -as the ANB's ending or the drum solo)..
But, they can always do something similar of what they've done in LALP: playing some songs in one night, and the others a second night in the same place... That way other songs can be included too.. It' be a shame if they actually film a DVD and TBP, HK or ACoS, to say only those, are not somewhere in there..
I love Images and Words, but I'll be fucking livid if we get a gutted live version of The Astonishing because they decided to make it combo performance featuring live versions of songs that are all already on DVD's.
Yeah, DT, keep playing the same oldy songs over and over again and make plenty of DVDs with them instead of doing that with the new material, because we, your lovely fans want it that way.. We don't care if you just want to do it... what, only because the songs were made by you and you think it's the right choice?.. ;)
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My guess if they ever make a DVD of TA, it will be a one-off perhaps with David Campbell conducting the orchestra and choir. That seems the logical and appropriate thing to do if they make a big production out of it. Maybe thats what they wanted to do all along but couldn't get the scheduling to line up..
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
That'd be awesome. I'd buy it. :D
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I want The Astonishing BluRay, I couldn't see them on the tour so I'd love to have it.
If they don't think it will sell cause the tour didn't do so well then I hope they release it as an official bootleg.
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
That would be cool...if they have a second drum kit rise up from under the stage, and James and Mike have a drum-off.
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
That would be cool...if they have a second drum kit rise up from under the stage, and James and Mike have a drum-off.
Ha-ha, I was at that show in Seattle on the Black Album tour. Great concert!!! :metal
Better yet, if the drum kit rises up from under the stage,, it would be a drum-off with MM and MP.. That would be something of epic proportions that will never happen.....
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
take my money
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Hell yes, take mine as well!
I'm thinking if MP was still in the band, instead of Binge And Purge, the could call it Balls And Chunk.
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Hell yes, take mine as well!
I'm thinking if MP was still in the band, instead of Binge And Purge, the could call it Balls And Chunk.
:lol
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
take my money
Same
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I'm thinking if MP was still in the band, instead of Binge And Purge, the could call it Balls And Chunk.
Close. Ass and Balls. :biggrin:
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I think what would be cool is if they were to do something like what Metallica did with their Binge and Purge box set. Maybe DT could film a TA show, and include a full show from Images, Words and Beyond, as well as a full show from their mini-30th anniversary tour in the deluxe package. I think that would be a cost effective compromise that would be a winner with fans, and it should be a big enough seller. For those not big on TA, they'd still get two other complete shows covering various songs from their catalog.
take my money
Same
That would be awesome! Take my money too.
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Very good idea! They would sell alot of copies.. :metal
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I'm thinking if MP was still in the band, instead of Binge And Purge, the could call it Balls And Chunk.
Close. Ass and Balls. :biggrin:
Ass! :lol
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I'm thinking if MP was still in the band, instead of Binge And Purge, the could call it Balls And Chunk.
Close. Ass and Balls. :biggrin:
Ass! :lol
Sig'd
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:tup
After 12+ years and 19k+ posts, that's the first time I've been sig'd!
Man do I suck! :lol
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Hey, maybe you'll feel better if I sig'd you again. :hat
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:lol
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I think you should switch the order of the two quotes. Like that it would make an actual sentence if you read them in one go.
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:lol
Sounds like the title of Winger's new album!
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Of the title of Michael Bolton's autobiography.
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I'm thinking if MP was still in the band, instead of Binge And Purge, the could call it Balls And Chunk.
Close. Ass and Balls. :biggrin:
Ass! :lol
That would be the Best. Cover art. Ever.
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I'm calling it now: They want to keep all the fans happy/willing to spend money, so instead of just releasing an Astonishing blu ray, they're recording an I&W set to go with it. They'll package it together as 'Astonishing Images' or some shit. 'Dream Theater playing their newest album and also one of their oldest'. That way, even the people who didn't like TA will buy it for I&W, and maybe they'll change their minds about TA after seeing the visual experience that goes with it.
/wishful thinking
I agree with this. I think it'd be a shame if The Astonishing didn't get a full-on live release on blu-ray. I mean, it's JP's baby. But financially, to make it work, there needs to be a selling point, given how TA really did not work for a chunk of the usual fan base (myself included). I wouldn't buy a TA blu-ray, but I would buy it if the I&W 25th Anniversary tour (complete with ACOS encore) was included. So I'm an example of the type of fan they have to appeal to, in order to probably make it work, financially.
The problem I see, however, is that it would have to be a big release, content-wise. For those familiar -- a blu-ray release of just The Astonishing performance...can that fit on one blu-ray disc, or do they need two? I am assuming the latter. And the I&W 25th tour...it depends...if they are including the whole concert, that's probably another two blu-rays. Perhaps if they only included the I&W performance and ACOS, it could fit on one blu-ray? So that's 3 blu-rays. They'd probably make the CDs separate, and the CDs would probably be a 4 CD set.
Overall, that's a lot of stuff to release in order to make it attractive to buyers and worth the label's time and investment. And sadly it would probably have to be ridiculously expensive. I can see the blu-ray package easily being around $69.99, and the CD package being $29.99. So $100 retail. That's a big investment by fans.
But I only see it working if I&W and ACOS is a major selling point. And ACOS...it has been released live before in its entirety (Live Scenes from New York), so it might not even be a draw for some folks (that performance of it was a bit more solid than I have seen on YouTube from the current lineup).
Thoughts?
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I'm calling it now: They want to keep all the fans happy/willing to spend money, so instead of just releasing an Astonishing blu ray, they're recording an I&W set to go with it. They'll package it together as 'Astonishing Images' or some shit. 'Dream Theater playing their newest album and also one of their oldest'. That way, even the people who didn't like TA will buy it for I&W, and maybe they'll change their minds about TA after seeing the visual experience that goes with it.
/wishful thinking
The problem I see, however, is that it would have to be a big release, content-wise. For those familiar -- a blu-ray release of just The Astonishing performance...can that fit on one blu-ray disc, or do they need two? I am assuming the latter. And the I&W 25th tour...it depends...if they are including the whole concert, that's probably another two blu-rays. Perhaps if they only included the I&W performance and ACOS, it could fit on one blu-ray? So that's 3 blu-rays. They'd probably make the CDs separate, and the CDs would probably be a 4 CD set.
If Avatar in 3D can fit on a single disc at 2:40:00 long, I'd image The Astonishing wouldn't be an issue.
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Yes, it would fit on one disc. All of the DT blu-rays have had the concert on one disc. If it was going to be two full concerts, then two discs though like Nightwish just did.
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Thanks Chino and Cramx. Well, then I think it wouldn't be as expensive, potentially.
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Please God let there be a release called "Astonishing Images". :lol :metal
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I'm confused. I thought it was established by JP himself during the Q&A that there was not, and won't be, a TA recording.
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I'm confused. I thought it was established by JP himself during the Q&A that there was not, and won't be, a TA recording.
Rumbo -- some of us don't have the time or inclination to keep up on everything every member of the band says. ;) :P
I had no idea. I saw the thread title, and saw a quote a couple pages back I thought was interesting, and replied to it. So if it is the case that JP has already definitively stated there will be no live TA release, then I apologize. Perhaps then, as a suggestion, you could quote JP in another post, right after this, and lock the thread, to avoid future comments, if those aren't appropriate any longer? :)
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I'm confused. I thought it was established by JP himself during the Q&A that there was not, and won't be, a TA recording.
I've come to terms with the fact that John regularly eats magic mushrooms and was on them when he answered that question.
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I'm confused. I thought it was established by JP himself during the Q&A that there was not, and won't be, a TA recording.
I've come to terms with the fact that John regularly eats magic mushrooms and was on them when he answered that question.
I didn't realize he put this to bed although that seemed very likely. Sucks.
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IIRC somebody asked JP the question at the Paris Q&A. The answer was essentially "didn't happen so far, and won't in the next 5 years. But never say never."
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The 5 years thing was actually said by Jordan on another Q&A posted by fellow DTF member The Keyboard Wizard. What JP said was something like "We haven't recorded it. Live albums/releases don't sell as much now as they used to. We probably won't do it".
You can see/hear it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQKvNg9JWH8
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I can confirm and I was in the room when the question was answered and I'm pretty sure that Rudess told us "5 years" to give us hope. But he was not pretty convinced himself. I'm pretty sure that they were so disappointed by the reactions towards The Astonishing and maybe disgusted. So be prepared to get a new record that will sound like DT12 and ADTOE, with zero risks.
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I can confirm and I was in the room when the question was answered and I'm pretty sure that Rudess told us "5 years" to give us hope. But he was not pretty convinced himself. I'm pretty sure that they were so disappointed by the reactions towards The Astonishing and maybe disgusted. So be prepared to get a new record that will sound like DT12 and ADTOE, with zero risks.
I think the live TA release is definitely not happening now. Agree on the 5 years thing, it was only to say something to give hope for the fans at that moment. I guess we'll have to wait a couple years to see how they see the whole thing in retrospect. However, they, specially JP and JR, seem to be very proud of the work they did on TA.
Also, I don't really think the album was "bad" received, just not as well received as the other two, which isn't necesarily a bad thing, it just shows they took more risks with this one. However, if they end up making an album similar to ADTOE or DT12, I don't really see any downside to that, since I think the Mangini era albums are much better than the albums from TOT to BC&SL :biggrin:
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I will be bummed if there isn't a DVD. It was a great concert and to have no record of it ( and no bootlegs either) is something I think will be missed years down the road.
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I will be bummed if there isn't a DVD. It was a great concert and to have no record of it ( and no bootlegs either) is something I think will be missed years down the road.
It will go down as the lost tour similar to Iron Maiden's Somewhere in Time. An album that was seen as a letdown at the time, but over time became a pretty big fan favorite and all we have is a couple shitty bootlegs and those songs were never performed again (besides Wasted Years). Such a shame.
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I will be bummed if there isn't a DVD. It was a great concert and to have no record of it ( and no bootlegs either) is something I think will be missed years down the road.
It will go down as the lost tour similar to Iron Maiden's Somewhere in Time. An album that was seen as a letdown at the time, but over time became a pretty big fan favorite and all we have is a couple shitty bootlegs and those songs were never performed again (besides Wasted Years). Such a shame.
I imagine that DT was smart enough to at least capture the audio of a few shows. If a legit release isn't in the future, hopefully they'll release it as an unofficial bootleg or something.
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Didn't they capture the shows in Italy by the very start of the tour for the Our New World clip? Who knows if they recorded more videos like that?
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I got the impression that the ONW video was mostly rehearsal footage (for which they could do close-ups), supplemented with a few live shots of the show later. I don't think they shot anything more of that show.
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Also, I don't really think the album was "bad" received, just not as well received as the other two, which isn't necesarily a bad thing, it just shows they took more risks with this one. However, if they end up making an album similar to ADTOE or DT12, I don't really see any downside to that, since I think the Mangini era albums are much better than the albums from TOT to BC&SL :biggrin:
I think A Dramatic Turn of Events is a more consistent album than Systematic Chaos and DT12 has good songs but is overcooked in the production and has THAT snare sound. I think it might be better
than Black Clouds though.
DT12 with The Astonishing's production would have been amazing.
The Astonishing is my favourite of the mangini albums. But not the RR era.
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Also, I don't really think the album was "bad" received, just not as well received as the other two, which isn't necesarily a bad thing, it just shows they took more risks with this one. However, if they end up making an album similar to ADTOE or DT12, I don't really see any downside to that, since I think the Mangini era albums are much better than the albums from TOT to BC&SL :biggrin:
I think A Dramatic Turn of Events is a more consistent album than Systematic Chaos and DT12 has good songs but is overcooked in the production and has THAT snare sound. I think it might be better
than Black Clouds though.
DT12 with The Astonishing's production would have been amazing.
The Astonishing is my favourite of the mangini albums. But not the RR era.
I really don't mind the production or snare sound on DT12, and it does have some great songs/moments. Not one of their best albums but still pretty good. The bass tone/bass mix on that album is one of the best of their whole discography imo.
On the other hand, I think Black Clouds is one of the worst albums they have ever done (not saying it's bad, just worse by DT standards).
I really like SC and think it's waaay underrated in general. 8V and TOT? Excepting for a few songs/sections here and there, meh.
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Yeah, very strange decision for me not to do a live Blu-ray for The Astonishing when they have made such a big deal of the album with computer games and a novel in the works. Would have thought a Blu-ray would sell better than the novel will.
I was really expecting the full works with an orchestra, bag pipe player and everything in The Royal Albert Hall or somewhere similar. I know it costs money to do but you're making money doing the show anyway and there are still a number of rabid fans who would buy this, some completists would buy it even if they don't like TA. If Neal Morse can release live blu-rays of his Morsefest thing then not sure why it is not viable for DT. I just think they have had problems with the last 2 live releases, especially Luna Park and maybe Petrucci can't be bothered with the hassle this time of finding a company to do all this.
TA is not my favourite DT album or my favourite live show I've been to but I was looking forward to watching this at home and seeing all the animations and stuff again. It was a historic tour in that they were performing the entirety of their first ever 2 disc concept album, probably never to be performed again and strange not to have anything to document it.
Don't usually like playing this game but am almost certain we would be getting a live release of this if MP was still running the show although we would likely have got a very different album of course!
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If Neal Morse can release live blu-rays of his Morsefest thing then not sure why it is not viable for DT.
This is also the year 2017. It doesn't need to be a Blu-ray double-disc with laminated inlay and themed USB stick. Steven Wilson did a live streaming of one of his concerts, and you could (I believe) download it later.
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I don't like that everything is turning to live stream availability only. I would rather have the packaged blu-ray in my hands and be able to watch it on the big screen tv and stereo, not on a computer desk and moniter..
I think Iron Maiden has the Book of Souls tour documented at some European festival for streaming, but not available for dvd. I missed the BOS tour last spring, would have been nice to get it on DVD/ blu-ray.
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I don't like that everything is turning to live stream availability only. I would rather have the packaged blu-ray in my hands and be able to watch it on the big screen tv and stereo, not on a computer desk and moniter..
I think Iron Maiden has the Book of Souls tour documented at some European festival for streaming, but not available for dvd. I missed the BOS tour last spring, would have been nice to get it on DVD/ blu-ray.
Some of us still like the feeling of getting out there and buying a CD or a movie, but the reality is that people don't do that anymore. Why bother going out if you can just stream it right from home? I can only imagine that recording something in Blu-Ray quality is expensive, and for a band that DT that doesn't have Justin Bieber-level sales it can turn out to be a bad financial decision.
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I don't like that everything is turning to live stream availability only. I would rather have the packaged blu-ray in my hands and be able to watch it on the big screen tv and stereo, not on a computer desk and moniter..
I think Iron Maiden has the Book of Souls tour documented at some European festival for streaming, but not available for dvd. I missed the BOS tour last spring, would have been nice to get it on DVD/ blu-ray.
Some of us still like the feeling of getting out there and buying a CD or a movie, but the reality is that people don't do that anymore. Why bother going out if you can just stream it right from home? I can only imagine that recording something in Blu-Ray quality is expensive, and for a band that DT that doesn't have Justin Bieber-level sales it can turn out to be a bad financial decision.
A youtube channel and a venue with a robust internet connection is all they need. They could live any concert for no more than the equipment required to do so.
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They would sacrifice the quality by doing it that way. No post production, mixing, or editing. If it all turns to this, it will force everyone to have internet which is another bill to pay. I just have the limited data plan on my phone. Streaming videos eats it up in no time..
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They would sacrifice the quality by doing it that way. No post production, mixing, or editing. If it all turns to this, it will force everyone to have internet which is another bill to pay. I just have the limited data plan on my phone. Streaming videos eats it up in no time..
I'll take online streams over nothing at all, especially if it's no additional cost to me. Many bands already do this. They wouldn't even need to live stream them. Set up one camera and record the show. All the audio is running through the board anyway. Just capture it and upload to Youtube later. It's better than nothing. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather buy an official quality release, but as things stand right now, I'd rather an official bootleg of The Astonishing over no Astonishing.
I don't really know what to say about the internet thing... It's 2017. I'm sure there's a reason why you don't have internet, and whatever that reason is sucks, but you are in a very small, almost non-existent minority.
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I used to have internet, I boycotted since the bill was $50 each month through dish network. I have internet on my phone. I do need to get internet back as I have a great PC for it, just need to find a better server. Allready paying enough for tv service with dish.
I've missed out on alot of cool DT related stuff such as interviews, live YouTube clips, guitar lessons etc, because of limited data on my Verizon service. I'm not the type to go where there is public Wi-Fi and sit a Starbucks and try to watch or listen to music related stuff, no thank you. I live in a rural area where I would have to drive somewhere for a Wi-Fi connection, a waste of time..
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That's kinda self-inflicted though. You can't fault neither DT nor society for making increasing use of the internet for media streaming.
I'm with Chino. A streamed Youtube TA would have been better than no TA at all.
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That's kinda self-inflicted though. You can't fault neither DT nor society for making increasing use of the internet for media streaming.
I'm with Chino. A streamed Youtube TA would have been better than no TA at all.
Very true, I kind of went a bit primitive in that respect. It's not a bad thing, that way I'm not tempted to spend too much time surfing the web. I'm more likely to get things done on my days off and spend more time with my dog going on walks etc.
I agree though, it would be better than having no TA at all..
Btw, didn't DT record a TA show in Italy or somewhere, I thought I remembered someone saying there is a great video of ONW. Maybe they will surprise us with a release of that show?
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I got the impression that the ONW video was mostly rehearsal footage (for which they could do close-ups), supplemented with a few live shots of the show later. I don't think they shot anything more of that show.
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Bummer!
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I'll take online streams over nothing at all, especially if it's no additional cost to me. Many bands already do this. They wouldn't even need to live stream them. Set up one camera and record the show. All the audio is running through the board anyway. Just capture it and upload to Youtube later. It's better than nothing. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather buy an official quality release, but as things stand right now, I'd rather an official bootleg of The Astonishing over no Astonishing.
I don't really know what to say about the internet thing... It's 2017. I'm sure there's a reason why you don't have internet, and whatever that reason is sucks, but you are in a very small, almost non-existent minority.
Actually he's not.. More than half the planet doesn't have access to internet right now..
But I agree that it'd be cool to see something like that.. If we're really don't having any DVD/BR, then an official bootleg or a streaming presentation it'd be very nice..
Having said that; I don't think the band owe us anything (not saying either of you have said that).. So do what you want.. I'll be cool with it anyway.. :police:
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BTW, somebody was suggesting an orchestra for a TA DVD. I would say DT should stay away from orchestras. They tried twice, and it was both times kinda disappointing. The Score orchestra has some really out of tune instruments, and BTFW had the orchestra entirely replaced.
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and BTFW had the orchestra entirely replaced.
I still can't believe it. It actually makes it unlistenable. I had my son edit out the orchestra anyway on both the live and studio versions.
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It's a bit like the TA tour, where the evidence of the actual performance is kinda erased. Luckily I was there and witnessed it.
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I'll take online streams over nothing at all, especially if it's no additional cost to me. Many bands already do this. They wouldn't even need to live stream them. Set up one camera and record the show. All the audio is running through the board anyway. Just capture it and upload to Youtube later. It's better than nothing. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather buy an official quality release, but as things stand right now, I'd rather an official bootleg of The Astonishing over no Astonishing.
I don't really know what to say about the internet thing... It's 2017. I'm sure there's a reason why you don't have internet, and whatever that reason is sucks, but you are in a very small, almost non-existent minority.
Actually he's not.. More than half the planet doesn't have access to internet right now..
Not in the demographic DT is trying to market to. They aren't concerned with tribes in Ethiopia or the bush people of the Calahari. If you looked at only those in areas with retail/concerts, or a history of buying music with currency, he is definitely in a very small, almost non existent minority.
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Dream Theater, when u come to Burkina Faso?!!
Haven't made that joke in a looong time. Nobody asks DT anymore to come to obscure places.
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Haven't made that joke in a looong time. Nobody asks DT anymore to come to obscure places.
Nope, they pretty much hit them all on the last run through the US!
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Haven't made that joke in a looong time. Nobody asks DT anymore to come to obscure places.
Nope, they pretty much hit them all on the last run through the US!
:rollin
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Dream Theater, when u come to Burkina Faso?!!
Haven't made that joke in a looong time. Nobody asks DT anymore to come to obscure places.
Oh man, those were the days.
DT INDONESIA SOON......MP DURMER BEST.... JP GOD....DT SOON...
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I'll take online streams over nothing at all, especially if it's no additional cost to me. Many bands already do this. They wouldn't even need to live stream them. Set up one camera and record the show. All the audio is running through the board anyway. Just capture it and upload to Youtube later. It's better than nothing. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather buy an official quality release, but as things stand right now, I'd rather an official bootleg of The Astonishing over no Astonishing.
I don't really know what to say about the internet thing... It's 2017. I'm sure there's a reason why you don't have internet, and whatever that reason is sucks, but you are in a very small, almost non-existent minority.
Actually he's not.. More than half the planet doesn't have access to internet right now..
Not in the demographic DT is trying to market to. They aren't concerned with tribes in Ethiopia or the bush people of the Calahari. If you looked at only those in areas with retail/concerts, or a history of buying music with currency, he is definitely in a very small, almost non existent minority.
Now you are right.. Just couldn't stand the previous comment.. I guess now I'll have to.. Must overlook the other comments... otherwise......
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It would be cool if DT played Antarctica to a million 🐧penguins. ACOS would go over well. It would make for a cool video! :metal
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It would be cool if DT played Antarctica to a million 🐧penguins. ACOS would go over well. It would make for a cool video! :metal
Didn't Metallica do that?
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It would be cool if DT played Antarctica to a million 🐧penguins. ACOS would go over well. It would make for a cool video! :metal
Didn't Metallica do that?
Well yes, but sadly the Penguins were only interested in Megadeth.
The show was awful though. The cold screwed up the instruments and everyone was out of tune.
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It would be cool if DT played Antarctica to a million 🐧penguins. ACOS would go over well. It would make for a cool video! :metal
Didn't Metallica do that?
Well yes, but sadly the Penguins were only interested in Megadeth.
The show was awful though. The cold screwed up the instruments and everyone was out of tune.
:lol I don't care for Metallica either, but that concert idea was actually very cool (pun intended) :biggrin:
About the tuning of the instruments, the same thing would happen to everyone on DT excepting Jordan, so doubt they'd ever do that.
PS: If DT recorded a live TA album on the Antartica, would't that be TA on ice?
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What? Huh? What? That had to be nerve wracking to play for a bunch of penguin. Ohh the pressure.. :omg:
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So did Metallica really do that?? If so, I didn't know... Or are you guys just toying with me, I'm so confused with delusions of grandeur!
And Yes, TA on ice would be very nice!
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So did Metallica really do that?? If so, I didn't know... Or are you guys just toying with me, I'm so confused with delusions of grandeur!
And Yes, TA on ice would be very nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hi2u98VKxc
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What? Huh? What? That had to be nerve wracking to play for a bunch of penguin. Ohh the pressure.. :omg:
They had a real audience :lol
So did Metallica really do that?? If so, I didn't know... Or are you guys just toying with me, I'm so confused with delusions of grandeur!
And Yes, TA on ice would be very nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hi2u98VKxc
Real, indeed.
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That show was historical.. Metallica playing in Antarctica.. Who cares about the sound?...
I think DT doing it would be nICE.... :neverusethis:
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Lol, no freaking way! At least they were in a bubble. I didn't watch the whole video, just the beginning of creeping death.. No penguins though.. :lol
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Also didn't play Trapped Under Ice.
Missed opportunity.
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Also didn't play Trapped Under Ice.
Missed opportunity.
:rollin
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BTW, somebody was suggesting an orchestra for a TA DVD. I would say DT should stay away from orchestras. They tried twice, and it was both times kinda disappointing. The Score orchestra has some really out of tune instruments, and BTFW had the orchestra entirely replaced.
So the entire original orchestra track was removed and overdubbed? Did someone officially confirm this and explain the reason? I remember that the orchestra part of in the middle of IT was lifted from the studio version and that was just ridiculous. I'd much rather have heard faulty, out of tune playing than that.
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That is indeed totally prepostorous if true.
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That is indeed totally prepostorous if true.
I remember when BTFW first came out, I listened to it and it was immediately blatantly obvious that the orchestra part in IT was pasted in from DT12. They guy who was the conductor of the orchestra (Eren Basbug) was lurking on DTF and answered a bunch of questions, but AFAIR he avoided that one. Then I remember someone saying that they kept the live track and added the DT12 track on top of it to make it sound fuller. But what's the point?
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That is indeed totally prepostorous if true.
I remember when BTFW first came out, I listened to it and it was immediately blatantly obvious that the orchestra part in IT was pasted in from DT12. They guy who was the conductor of the orchestra (Eren Basbug) was lurking on DTF and answered a bunch of questions, but AFAIR he avoided that one. Then I remember someone saying that they kept the live track and added the DT12 track on top of it to make it sound fuller. But what's the point?
I suspect there were issues with the recording of the orchestra and choir, and they had to improvise with what they had. The orchestral section of IT is 75-90% the studio track, with a hint of the live audio in places, but my guess is the recording quality wasn't good enough to mix more prominently than that. In many other parts the choir and orchestra sounded 100% synth to me. Based on that, I trust that they made the best decision they could under the circumstances.
And Score had its own issues with the orchestra, including lack of sufficient practice for the material, and tuning problems.
TA includes more orchestra than either of those concerts, so with that in mind, it may be too risky to attempt. Even with as much orchestra as the album has, I don't think it's an essential part of the presentation of the album live.
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Listening to Score, I cannot fathom how can a professional orchestra sound that out of tune. Like the bald guy in Whiplash, I find it more likely that they deliberately played out of tune to sabotage the performance, rather than simply screwing up. :biggrin:
Edit: talking about out of tune, can anyone top this Roger Glover bass solo? https://youtu.be/tbYj71g1QQQ?t=3m28s
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I think Score and BTFW are both awesome concert dvds and never had an issue with the Orchestra. Love IT on the BTFW dvd and the Score version of Metropolis Pt 1 is my favourite version of that song.
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I think Score and BTFW are both awesome concert dvds and never had an issue with the Orchestra. Love IT on the BTFW dvd and the Score version of Metropolis Pt 1 is my favourite version of that song.
Yes, they're both great shows/Dvds.. I don't think they're saying that because of the issues with the orchestra they don't like them.. Or I hope so, because that would be ridiculous.. The important thing is the DT guys' playing..
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I definitely like Score, yeah. I'm solely saying live orchestras haven't worked for them, so they should stay away from them in the future.
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I definitely like Score, yeah. I'm solely saying live orchestras haven't worked for them, so they should stay away from them in the future.
or maybe the third time is the charm for getting it right. I'm not a believer in giving up like this, assuming that's what they would have wanted to do (play live with an orchestra/choir again)
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An orchestra can work, they just have to plan much better for it. It seems they basically just do a normal show and shoehorn in an orchestra when they have.
Doing special prep work, picking a special venue for it, making special arrangements etc. I don't see them doing that, but it would help.
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An orchestra can work, they just have to plan much better for it. It seems they basically just do a normal show and shoehorn in an orchestra when they have.
Doing special prep work, picking a special venue for it, making special arrangements etc. I don't see them doing that, but it would help.
Practice recording it :lol but yea, it can be done and I see no reason why DT can't make it work in the future if they wanted to.
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Man, my hearing must be totally F'ed because I never noticed anything off with the orchestra. Must have been the excitement.
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Man, my hearing must be totally F'ed because I never noticed anything off with the orchestra. Must have been the excitement.
I'm going to guess 90% of the people didn't notice. It seemed a bit low in the mix to me, but I wouldn't of noticed the orchestra was actually not the real live one if not for reading it here. My ears aren't as good as some.
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What stuck in my mind are the flutes. They were out of tune with each other.
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Even though we want a DVD, I was thinking it's possible they have recorded a show audio only and release that. Better than nothing! These bootlegs aren't great.
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Even though we want a DVD, I was thinking it's possible they have recorded a show audio only and release that. Better than nothing! These bootlegs aren't great.
Audio with the animations would work for me...
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I'm bummed that there won't be an Astonishing Live CD/DVD but this would be a great opportunity for an official bootleg.
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Stupid question: Why wouldn't you just connect an audio recorder to the board at each show anyway? I takes a $20 device and a patch cable, that's it.
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I'd rather have a video than audio only. The studio version of TA would be pretty hard to top, so I don't see the need for a live audio only.
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Stupid question: Why wouldn't you just connect an audio recorder to the board at each show anyway? I takes a $20 device and a patch cable, that's it.
While a fair point in general, what would an audio only recording of TA live offer? Musically it would be identical only not as good quality, and vocally it would be worse.
Edit: I guess the Billie Jean solo would be a bit longer, but meh.
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Stupid question: Why wouldn't you just connect an audio recorder to the board at each show anyway? I takes a $20 device and a patch cable, that's it.
DT has been multitrack recording stuff live for at least a decade now. Every show is recorded from the soundboard. Previously to that they've always done dat recordings off of the feed. This is why we could make fan club releases.
Problem is they don't have audience mics, so usually these recordings tend to feel a bit lifeless due to there being no room ambience in the recording. No cheers, no singalong etc.
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So for $20 more, they could record the audience, no?
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It's hard to afford these things when nobody buys CD's
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It's hard to afford these things when nobody buys CD's
What is there to afford? It's a one-time investment of maybe $200 (https://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/zoom-h1-handy-recorder-red-special-edition?pfm=item_page.rr2) to have a few of those concert recording devices that you just place in strategic places.
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James already has enough to deal with, he doesn't need to spend money so more fans can listen to recordings and want him fired.
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James already has enough to deal with, he doesn't need to spend money so more fans can listen to recordings and want him fired.
So they shouldn't release any recordings because of how bad they might be?
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Unless there's a really good reason, then no. Why should they? I don't see much artistic merit in it..
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Unless there's a really good reason, then no. Why should they? I don't see much artistic merit in it..
Artistic merit in releasing live recordings? It's not an artistic thing, it's a fan-relations, business thing.
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Well but let's be honest here, DT is a very prolific band regarding that aspect.. We recently had, what, TWO dvd/br's within a single year?... and if we count the Happy Holidays cd, that's three official live albums in one year, so I don't think there's any need at all of releasing now another live album; even when I myself would want an Astonishing dvd, I don't think they owe us anything, like to be asking them to do it, when we also know the expensive it is and the time it takes to do it properly..
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We got two dvds? Wasn't that just because the first one was delayed for such a long time? Or am I missing one?
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BTFW was released in 2014, LALP in 2013. What am I missing?
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BTFW was released in 2014, LALP in 2013. What am I missing?
That both of them had complete recordings of The Astonishing ::)
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I always thought that they made BTFW only because LALP turned out so badly and they wanted to make up for it.
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I always thought that they made BTFW only because LALP turned out so badly and they wanted to make up for it.
I forgot all about LALP. I bought it and never opened it.
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I always thought that they made BTFW only because LALP turned out so badly and they wanted to make up for it.
I forgot all about LALP. I bought it and never opened it.
Dude! :huh:
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Yea, I think I watched it once. No real desire to revisit it.
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LALP is awesome. Not one of their best stage productions but the sound and set list is great! Good solo sections wit JR and JP too. They seemed to be relaxed and having alot of fun at that gig.
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Not one of their best stage productions but the sound and set list is great!
I'd say sound is the weakest point of LALP actually. The drums sound way too thin and the mix is dominated by guitars loaded with chorus. The setlist is definitely really good though, just wish The Mirror was on it instead of say... AFIL.
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LALP is awesome. Not one of their best stage productions but the sound and set list is great! Good solo sections wit JR and JP too. They seemed to be relaxed and having alot of fun at that gig.
The sound is precisely why I disliked it. It doesn't have a "live sound." It's no secret that they had lots of problems with the sound in post production, which apparently stemmed from the fact that Over The Edge Productions (who also did the drummer auditions documentary) had never before done such a large project, and they were in way over their heads. It was delayed multiple times and released 15 months after it was recorded. I remember Rena Petrucci posting something along the lines of "it would have had no sound at all if JP hadn't done something miraculous."
The drums are thin, can't really hear the toms. The guitar sound is thin and sterile as well and it owerpowers everything. The keys are grossly undermixed. The only positive aspect of the release is James' relatively good performance.
I remember when the Happy Holidays release came out later that year, many said that it actually sounded better than LALP. It's definitely a more pleasant listen.
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Don't forget about the audience noise being looped throughout the whole thing too. Very poorly done.
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I've never heard happy holidays. What is that one about?
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I've never heard happy holidays. What is that one about?
An album the band released for free around Xmas time in 2013, it was a live compilation of all the songs played in the Dramatic Turn of Events tour that didn't end up on Live at Luna Park.
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I've never heard happy holidays. What is that one about?
An album the band released for free around Xmas time in 2013, it was a live compilation of all the songs played in the Dramatic Turn of Events tour that didn't end up on Live at Luna Park.
A REALLY good album if you like live bootlegs and that kind of stuff. The quality is amazing. I haven't listened to it since it was released, but I remember loving Mangini's drum sound on that release.
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The sound at LALP might have been a let down, but the overall concert is still pretty awesome and has some unique stuff that is not on any other DT dvd.
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I've never heard happy holidays. What is that one about?
An album the band released for free around Xmas time in 2013, it was a live compilation of all the songs played in the Dramatic Turn of Events tour that didn't end up on Live at Luna Park.
A REALLY good album if you like live bootlegs and that kind of stuff. The quality is amazing. I haven't listened to it since it was released, but I remember loving Mangini's drum sound on that release.
I love it, I remember I was totally surprised at the quality. It's sad they don't release live recordings like that more often. I don't expect them to do it for free, something like the Ytsejam bootlegs would be nice.
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The sound on LALP was odd, but I wouldn't call it "bad." Overall, it's a great concert set. In fact, I think I'll listen to it now...
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I got LALP from iTunes and BTFW on DVD.
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I remember the microphone sound being the worst aspect. There was this odd distortion on it, especially in the soft parts.
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I remember the microphone sound being the worst aspect. There was this odd distortion on it, especially in the soft parts.
Yes, I did notice that.
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I remember the microphone sound being the worst aspect. There was this odd distortion on it, especially in the soft parts.
You can hear some breathing on it. The guitar is too loud as well, can't hear the keyboards. None of that ruins it for me, but it was a bummer that there was some audio issues.
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Well but let's be honest here, DT is a very prolific band regarding that aspect.. We recently had, what, TWO dvd/br's within a single year?... and if we count the Happy Holidays cd, that's three official live albums in one year, so I don't think there's any need at all of releasing now another live album; even when I myself would want an Astonishing dvd, I don't think they owe us anything, like to be asking them to do it, when we also know the expensive it is and the time it takes to do it properly..
Agreed, they don't owe us an Astonishing DVD. But imo the sad thing is that they wanted to do that DVD. JP and JR are so proud of that album, they stated in many interviews after the release of TA that there would be a live DVD, they had plans for doing it with an orchestra. It's just sad - for them and for the fans who love TA - that they couldn't do it because TA wasn't the success they hoped for and they just couldn't afford it. I'm glad LALP and BTFW were released, but TA would have been something unique. They'll never do a show like that again, it just deserved to be captured on DVD.
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Okay so I didn't get to see TA live, so this is me trying to see the bright side... Perhaps it's better to not have live recordings? When I listen to the album, I can envision all the characters and scenes playing out in my head. A DVD might ruin that, replacing all that imagery with some 50 year old dude singing all the parts with some flash animations in the background :)
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I remember the microphone sound being the worst aspect. There was this odd distortion on it, especially in the soft parts.
And in the mix the vocal track was compressed as hell, making all those little noises and nuances come out quite annoyingly so.
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Okay so I didn't get to see TA live, so this is me trying to see the bright side... Perhaps it's better to not have live recordings? When I listen to the album, I can envision all the characters and scenes playing out in my head. A DVD might ruin that, replacing all that imagery with some 50 year old dude singing all the parts with some flash animations in the background :)
Age matters not. James Labrie fits the role well and has good stage presence. 50 is not old, alot of musicians are still kicking ass in their 60s and 70s. DT have alot left in them, and they are all in good shape. Better than alot of people in their 20s and 30s..
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Okay so I didn't get to see TA live, so this is me trying to see the bright side... Perhaps it's better to not have live recordings? When I listen to the album, I can envision all the characters and scenes playing out in my head. A DVD might ruin that, replacing all that imagery with some 50 year old dude singing all the parts with some flash animations in the background :)
I'm the opposite. When listening to just the album, I had a hard time following what was going on and couldn't picture anything in my head in terms of characters. Seeing it live three times explained everything and gave me a much better understanding of the world, its people, and the story as a whole.
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I hope that, after the next album is released (probably by mid 2018), they play more than just one or two TA songs on the tour. Would be sad if they don't revisit that album on future tours :sad:
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I doubt they'd neglect the album. There's loads of possibilities for tracks to bring back & most of them don't take up that much time.
You could argue that they may neglect it due to low reception, but they still play stuff from WD&DU, so again, I doubt that'd be the case.
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I doubt they'd neglect the album. There's loads of possibilities for tracks to bring back & most of them don't take up that much time.
You could argue that they may neglect it due to low reception, but they still play stuff from WD&DU, so again, I doubt that'd be the case.
I really hope you're right! Also, I really hope there's no IAW songs on the next tour. Love the album, but they've played these songs waaaaaaay too much, specially on the current tour :P
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"No one buys CD's anymore." Then do what Metallica does and put it online! Production money saved.
I thought the drum sound live was better than the album? Someone said they heard MM's cymbals and highs better live.
Plus the extended solo that wasn't on the album!
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I can imagine that the cost of production would NOT be more than the generated revenue. But it definitely is a big Investment and an uncertainty regarding actual sale Performance. The second leg of TA in NA may not have been too well with ticket sales etc. Some People on DTF commented about half empty Theaters. This is concerning given the fact that they Chose smaller venues for the sake of a better Music(al) experience. But if those smaller venues a just half packed, the bunisess side might have been hard. They maybe did break even eventually but are afraid that another huge Investment (besides the for DT Terms huge stage production of the TA-tour) regarding an initial Investment to produce such a bluray an bring it out to the market. I think from a Business side it is smart and understandable to not make this bluray. As a fan (and As I am) I would love to have one. It was awesome to see this Show in Frankfurt and Stuttgart, but it is very important for DT to stay economically healthy in such hard times for the entire Music industry. I also think that they Kind of oversaturated their specific market in the last years. Since 2011 we had 3 Studio Albums and 2 blurays. Plus more than one tour a year. I dont think that there is huge demand for ANOTHER bluray right now besides the core fanbase (reflected on Forums like this).
On contrary Rammstein (see my user Name :D) put out their last Studio effort in 2009! Their next Album is so extremely anticipated in their particular genre. They brought out DVD since and a best of and all went well economically. I think it is a good example that less can sell more!
IMO it would be best for DT to put a bluray out for another tour in maybe 2 years and maybe film it in europe as they dont filmed there yet and the market itself is very important for them (packed Shows most of the time).
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When I saw it performed live, right after it was released, the theaters were still packed in europe. But given the amount of digital corrections they have had to do on past dvd releases, this one woulld make for a massive headache if the recorded suffered from technical mishaps or mistakes. Plus the fact that this wasn't the massive succes that the band clearly hoped for amongst fans made this decision probably the 'safe bet' .
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yeah I also saw it twice in Germany in March 2016. very very full/sold out Shows. Europe never is a crowd wise for them. The 2nd leg in the USA however seemed to more of problem.
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yeah I also saw it twice in Germany in March 2016. very very full/sold out Shows. Europe never is a crowd wise for them. The 2nd leg in the USA however seemed to more of problem.
Europe's crowds are generally much larger than those in North America, absolutely. But I remember hearing from some (who live there) that even in Europe, the crowds are shrinking. When they did a second run through Europe in 2014, this was more evident. I would imagine if they would have done the same thing again (doing a second run through Europe, playing many of the same areas with the same TA setlist), the turn out would not be as good either. Shifting gears and revamping the setlist to focus on IaW and ACoS, as well as changing things up live with the jams and improvs definitely made a difference in fan interest.
As for comparing the first and second North American legs, I think one thing that is often overlooked is the fact that the dates were announced before the album went on sale, and therefore before anyone heard it. Being as polarizing as it has been, a lot of fans love it, but a lot of fans have been turned off by it too, and probably wouldn't have bought tickets had they known what the album would be like, which is what happened to one of my friends.
Two other things that I don't think helped the second run through North America (besides the fact that they were only doing the new album, and not playing anything from their previous albums) are that some of the shows were booked very closely together, or at least in close proximity to where they played on the first leg of the tour. While some fans may argue that it was worth seeing multiple times, without having changes in the setlist from night to night (as in days of old) and higher ticket prices didn't motivate many fans to see show more than once (as was the case with me). And having the dates dribbled out, causing some fans to purchase tickets to shows some distance away, only to find out closer shows were announced later didn't help either.
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Two other things that I don't think helped the second run through North America (besides the fact that they were only doing the new album, and not playing anything from their previous albums) are that some of the shows were booked very closely together, or at least in close proximity to where they played on the first leg of the tour. While some fans may argue that it was worth seeing multiple times, without having changes in the setlist from night to night (as in days of old) and higher ticket prices didn't motivate many fans to see show more than once (as was the case with me). And having the dates dribbled out, causing some fans to purchase tickets to shows some distance away, only to find out closer shows were announced later didn't help either.
Yeah, on the first issue, the band were not happy about that at all. That was not their intention, and they were frustrated that it ended up being booked that way. And I know for me, even though I really liked the album, I was not planning on seeing it again when it rolled through a second time. I ended up going because a friend of mine wanted to go. And once I was there, I was SO glad I did go. But still, I almost didn't.
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Two other things that I don't think helped the second run through North America (besides the fact that they were only doing the new album, and not playing anything from their previous albums) are that some of the shows were booked very closely together, or at least in close proximity to where they played on the first leg of the tour. While some fans may argue that it was worth seeing multiple times, without having changes in the setlist from night to night (as in days of old) and higher ticket prices didn't motivate many fans to see show more than once (as was the case with me). And having the dates dribbled out, causing some fans to purchase tickets to shows some distance away, only to find out closer shows were announced later didn't help either.
Yeah, on the first issue, the band were not happy about that at all. That was not their intention, and they were frustrated that it ended up being booked that way. And I know for me, even though I really liked the album, I was not planning on seeing it again when it rolled through a second time. I ended up going because a friend of mine wanted to go. And once I was there, I was SO glad I did go. But still, I almost didn't.
I don't know who's managing things like communication and tour booking (I know they've recently switched their booking company) but there was a post on Facebook that was put out on December 25th announcing the incoming announcement of I&W & Beyond tour in the US and Asia.
25th of December.
Plus, what happened here in Italy, where they announced new dates while the previous ones where still on sale (and even before the tour had started) has never happened before.
I mean, I love them and at the end of the day I actually care just about the music, but guys they've screwed so many things recently I'm starting to being concerned about their ability to handle this business.
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Don't recall this happening with MP.
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Don't recall this happening with MP.
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Well, you know, jokes aside the impression I have, and from what I've heard, they're relating a lot on people from the Label or third party people, which you know is largely common in the business so I don't find it strange. But there'r making a lot of mistakes, imho.
Look at their last fb post where they share an interview with JM: the post introduce the interview repeating its title (which you can already see from the article preview) and it's all written in capital letters. And they always do things like this. I mean, these may be just details, but c'mon you are Dream Theater...
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Don't recall this happening with MP.
Well, while I know you were kidding Tim, some might actually think that. But that being said, one of the things I don't believe MP bothered having much of a say in was the business end of things - that's something that JP was always more in tune with, probably working with their manager Frank on such decisions. I'm sure that MP was probably consulted on some matters, but he probably didn't care to be that involved, trusting others with more interest/knowledge in such things to handle them.
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Don't recall this happening with MP.
Well, while I know you were kidding Tim, some might actually think that. But that being said, one of the things I don't believe MP bothered having much of a say in was the business end of things - that's something that JP was always more in tune with, probably working with their manager Frank on such decisions. I'm sure that MP was probably consulted on some matters, but he probably didn't care to be that involved, trusting others with more interest/knowledge in such things to handle them.
Yes, it was totally a wisecrack.
But I can't help but feel that any public announcements or presentations to the public would have had some sort of double check by MP. He seemed to be very involved in any external communications.
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Still kinda bummed there doesn't appear to any kind of official recording of this tour.
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So this is not happening?!
Cause I thought it was gonna..
If there's really no BluRay of this tour, I oughtta slap myself across the cheeks with a black dildo. I should have bought tickets with a credit card or something.. I was broke as fuck when they came to Texas and I couldn't see the show, I tried so hard to get tickets cheap from various places but no luck, I went to the venue and spoke with the people at the tickets window and they couldn't give me any kinda of discount, I could hear the gift of music playing from the outside as I turned around and walked away :(
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That's pretty unfortunate, but also surprising since cheap tickets were available for this tour on the secondary market, or if the venue would just discount tickets to sell some since most venues were half empty.
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I'd even settle for a board official bootleg at this point.