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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: gmillerdrake on October 11, 2016, 11:28:50 AM
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Season 7 is right around the corner. I'm sure there are folks still ticked at the way they chose to end season 6....but, as for me I'm over it I think. With this show it is what it is, I think we can all agree AMC is calling some shots no matter how it may affect the creative process...but anyway.
I'm ready to see JDM bring Negan to life and the last trailer released depicting the aftermath of the head bashing is promising concerning how he is going to handle that role. If you haven't see it yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k4gsUmw7lU
My thoughts:
Negan kills Glenn, Maggie for trying to stop him and then Abraham for the same reason. Also, I think the whole 'right hand' conversation with Rick is leading Negan to take Rick in the RV and chop his right hand off with that Hatchet.
With this part of the cominc now making it's way onto the big screen....I am excited and anxious about it because it's my favorite 'arc' of the series....this confrontation with Negan. I have high hopes but I am calming them a bit because I don't expect the show to be able to match the comic story. It was that good. I hope they can capture a large portion of the feel and tone....we will see.
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I began rewatching season 6 and got done with episode 5. I actually don't mind it so much now but they really still screwed up the pacing after Glenn's stunt in ep 3. The episodes are great and even with episode 5 feeling like filler with Maggie's pregnancy announcement I still enjoyed it. I don't think my feelings will change for how much I hated that cliffhanger in the season finale but at least the season feels a lot better now even with the problems I have with it.
Less than two weeks to go and can't wait.
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I began rewatching season 6 and got done with episode 5. I actually don't mind it so much now but they really still screwed up the pacing after Glenn's stunt in ep 3. The episodes are great and even with episode 5 feeling like filler with Maggie's pregnancy announcement I still enjoyed it. I don't think my feelings will change for how much I hated that cliffhanger in the season finale but at least the season feels a lot better now even with the problems I have with it.
I think the Glenn stunt was them just trying to be 'too' smart. Sometimes you don't have to do try and out do everything and just tell a simple story. I have issues with the way they chose to end last season as well but I still like the show and just take it for what it is.....I'm not expecting Shawshank Redemption level of cinematic excellence.....just an entertaining show, which I still think it is.
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The Premiere is titled: "The Day Will Come When You Won’t Be"
A reference to Dr. Jenner's last words from the S1 finale, for those that don't remember.
As for the cliffhanger death, we already know who it is (Check the Season 6 thread if you're curious).
This is how I think it plays out:
The eenie meenie miney mo sequence plays out again, but we see who dies this time. Then Negan taunts Rick like in the new trailer. He drags Rick to the RV and they have a long talk, maybe they eben go for a drive. I don't think that Negan cuts off his hand though. Negan realizes that he hasn't truly broken Rick yet and takes him back outside. Negan does eenie meenie miney mo again and Glenn is the unlucky second victim.
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This is how I think it plays out:
The eenie meenie miney mo sequence plays out again, but we see who dies this time. Then Negan taunts Rick like in the new trailer. He drags Rick to the RV and they have a long talk, maybe they eben go for a drive. I don't think that Negan cuts off his hand though. Negan realizes that he hasn't truly broken Rick yet and takes him back outside. Negan does eenie meenie miney mo again and Glenn is the unlucky second victim.
Interesting theory. I still think it would show major balls for them to cut Rick's right hand off though.....and would bolster the Negan character even more given the dialog that he just had with Rick about 'right hands' being so important and all. My brother is convinced it's Abraham, Gleen AND Maggie...I could see that as well but I think it'll certainly be two of them
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This is the first time I haven't avoided spoilers for TWD, I wanted to know asap and now due to excitement but because I was upset with how they handled last season's finale and I wanted to ruin what they were trying to do to me and ruin the premiere for myself in the process :lol
I kinda regret it, but not much.
gmillergrake for the sake of my OCD would you be so kind as to change the thread title to remove the caps? Would be thankful.
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I think I'm going to sit out this season. I may catch up at a later date but I just really don't care about this show anymore.
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Have to admit this is hilarious.
John Cleese summing up the six seasons of TWD so far.
https://youtu.be/sU0eizwlejs (https://youtu.be/sU0eizwlejs)
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Have to admit this is hilarious.
John Cleese summing up the six seasons of TWD so far.
https://youtu.be/sU0eizwlejs (https://youtu.be/sU0eizwlejs)
:lol That is great!
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That was excellent. :lol
Although it's rather telling that the summary of key developments from seasons 3-6 is shorter than 1-2. Just shows how little meaningful plot progression there is these days.
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I'm sticking with this postulation and would like to point out I had this hunch a solid week ahead of it being a popular theory online....just sayin'..... :coolio
Also, I think the whole 'right hand' conversation with Rick is leading Negan to take Rick in the RV and chop his right hand off with that Hatchet.
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I don't care what anyone says, the ending of the Season 6 Finale is great even if you don't see who gets killed. So fucking tense. Can't wait for tonight's episode.
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Fuck
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Well.....they certainly didn't hold back on the gore. Whew!
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Honestly that was the most disturbing thing I've ever seen and I've seen tons of extreme horror movies like A Serbian Film, Martyrs, ...
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Well shit.
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Well shit.
I didnt watch that clip you PMd me, what was it?
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Well shit.
I didnt watch that clip you PMd me, what was it?
I don't suppose it matters now, so here's the clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89FSOKjGPk
It shows Negan killing Maggie instead.
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So who ended up biting it?
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So who ended up biting it?
Abraham first, then Glenn.
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Guess they made up for Dwight's arrow then.
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I can't begin to grasp what just happened on The Walking Dead...though i had a hunch this was coming from the comics...but how it was filmed was just ...poetic.
I'm already feeling better watching Lauren Cohan just be gorgeous in that blue dress on The Talking Dead :heart :heart :heart
#SWOON
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Guess they made up for Dwight's arrow then.
I guess. I don't see the point of switching Abraham's death if they're just gonna kill him 3 episodes later.
I'm over the cliffhanger, but I still think they could've ended with Abe's death in the Finale, then killing Glenn in the cold open of the Premiere. No one would be expecting a second death.
Oh well. I'm excited to see what comes after.
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That was the most horrifying episode of a TV show ever. They crossed the line with the brutality, IMO.
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Have to admit as pissed as I still am with the cliffhanger, that was a very intense and redeemable episode. Kudos to them for that episode but fuck them for that cliffhanger last season. :-)
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In retrospect I don't have a huge problem with the cliffhanger, the ep was very well structured around the deaths...although I feel like a little extra time was spent on Rick's RV adventure.
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That was the most horrifying episode of a TV show ever. They crossed the line with the brutality, IMO.
That eye was straight out of the comic. Perfectly, too
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Yeah Glenn's death was really well done in relation to the comic. And it came when I wasn't expecting it.
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I liked how they showed the beating from Rick's point of view. That was filmed very well. However I do have to add that I felt no emotion with the loss of those characters. I mean when you watch a whole season of the characters and off them at the end then you really feel it. I really think like Metropolaris suggested, they should've shown one death at the end of last season and then continued where they left off. I would've loved that sequence but alas it is what it is and I think I'm sticking to my plan where I watch the show until Negan's arc and then maybe start reading the comics.
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In retrospect I don't have a huge problem with the cliffhanger, the ep was very well structured around the deaths...although I feel like a little extra time was spent on Rick's TV adventure.
The Cliffhanger was annoying but it wasn't end of the world annoying....and this premier episode made up for it IMO because:
That was the most horrifying episode of a TV show ever.
The comic death of Glenn ushered in Negan as the ultimate, charismatic bad a$$....and that is what this premier just did with the way he killed two characters AND mind Fu%ked Rick. Very curious as to how this Negan arc is going to play out because it has started off fantastic IMO.
Yeah Glenn's death was really well done in relation to the comic. And it came when I wasn't expecting it.
Totally this. That was right out of the pages...his face and that eye....him stuttering....BRUTAL. Although, I was expecting it especially after Daryl punched Negan. For a moment I thought maybe he'd kill Maggie but the way he handled Glenn was right in line with his character.
Loved the final straw he took to break Rick down...forcing him to mentally agree to cut his own kids arm off...wow. As a Dad.....that was tough to think about.
I'm a bit peeved at my DVR because I really wanted to see Andrew Lincoln and Jeffrey Morgan on The Talking Dead but my DVR is skipping for some reason. I've got the late one recording so I can watch it tomorrow.
All in all I thought that was an insanely awesome episode!! Can't wait to see more!!
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That was so goddamn brutal. I have never read any of the comic books but a friend of mine has given me hints about what is coming based on the comic books. But still! Glen's death was way worse than I could ever have imagined. It was graphic, gorey and brutal. Something about the way it was done made it really hard to watch. Also, I love Glen, so that could be part of it.
Just wow :omg:
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This was the first time I can really remember having trouble sleeping because of this show. I kept waking up thinking about Glenn.
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One thing that stuck out to me was that Jeffrey Dean Morgan's portrayal of Negan. It was beautifully done IMO because of the major handicap he has going against him....and that is in the comic Negan uses the F-Word almost every other word. It's a vital part of his dialog and character.....and Morgan pulled it off last night with some good writing and great acting to where he claimed that character and made it his own without a crucial element of that character available.
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At this point, I am a little glad that I'm not a devoted follower of this show.
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At this point, I am a little glad that I'm not a devoted follower of this show.
How come? Just curious
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I'm a casual fan of The Walking Dead and watching it last night I didn't really like how long it took them to draw out the deaths with all the flashbacks.
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I'm a casual fan of The Walking Dead and watching it last night I didn't really like how long it took them to draw out the deaths with all the flashbacks.
Ehh....i think it worked out pretty good. If they'd have jumped right into it I don't know the same effect of Rick being emasculated would have been achieved.
(Not pointing finger at you in particular) at this point you either enjoy the show for what it is or you don't. It's fair to criticize I suppose but if you watch the show only to look for things to critique and complain about then it seems like that'd be no fun. There are things that big me about the show that bug me but all in all I still enjoy it greatly.
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I'm a casual fan of The Walking Dead and watching it last night I didn't really like how long it took them to draw out the deaths with all the flashbacks.
Ehh....i think it worked out pretty good. If they'd have jumped right into it I don't know the same effect of Rick being emasculated would have been achieved.
Though of course the effect would have been vastly enhanced by having it at the end of the previous series when we're all emotionally invested in the characters. The s7 premiere was a good enough episode but it had basically no emotional impact on me.
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I'm a casual fan of The Walking Dead and watching it last night I didn't really like how long it took them to draw out the deaths with all the flashbacks.
Ehh....i think it worked out pretty good. If they'd have jumped right into it I don't know the same effect of Rick being emasculated would have been achieved.
Though of course the effect would have been vastly enhanced by having it at the end of the previous series when we're all emotionally invested in the characters. The s7 premiere was a good enough episode but it had basically no emotional impact on me.
I like Metro's idea. They could have revealed Abraham as the victim at the end last year then hit us with the Glenn death in the opener. Either way, this episode was done well and achieved its goal of making the point that Negan is by far the most sinister person they've encountered and Rick has been completely broken by him.
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I'm a casual fan of The Walking Dead and watching it last night I didn't really like how long it took them to draw out the deaths with all the flashbacks.
Ehh....i think it worked out pretty good. If they'd have jumped right into it I don't know the same effect of Rick being emasculated would have been achieved.
Though of course the effect would have been vastly enhanced by having it at the end of the previous series when we're all emotionally invested in the characters. The s7 premiere was a good enough episode but it had basically no emotional impact on me.
Having not watched the premiere but reading on how everything unfolded I'm in agreement that the best course of action would've been to get it over with at the end of the last season and just let all of the fans stew in the shock of what happened, especially if it ended with a shot of Rick just looking completely helpless. A scene like that, in my opinion, has much more impact on a series in terms of how serious the showrunners take their jobs.
I'm shouldn't be too critical since it's over and done with but for a show that had been testing the patience of its audience throughout the last season they had a golden opportunity to make a seriously powerful ending and instead they opted to execute it in such way just so they could pump the "Who died?" promos and manufacture interest in a fairly lame way. I read an article that made a good point that fans frantically trying to search for clues as to who the victims were going to be had gone through so many possibilities for six months that by the time last night's episode aired they were ready for pretty much anything so it lessens the shock of what could have been.
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I've been feeling the same way, while I absolutely loved the episode and was very shaken up by it, I didn't have any emotional connection to the loss of the victims. I knew from the getgo for me personally I would not care who died at that point, it was just trying to see how they filmed it. Nevertheless I think I'm almost over the whole cliffhanger fiasco. I hadn't realized that season six was the season of the cliffhangers until I read a comment that mentioned 8 of the 16 episodes ended with a cliffhanger.
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Well shit, that was some serious intense stuff.
Aside from the deaths, the thing that made it really hard for me was the foreboding with the axe, so many times I felt Rick was going to lose his 'right hand'.
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I read an article that made a good point that fans frantically trying to search for clues as to who the victims were going to be had gone through so many possibilities for six months that by the time last night's episode aired they were ready for pretty much anything so it lessens the shock of what could have been.
I imagine most fans looking for clues will have happened upon the leak which turned out to be spot on.
The other really silly thing is that the characters that were offed were the one who died at this point in the comics, and the other who should have died a few episodes ago based on the comics. So the whole "cliffhanger" was meaningless.
I'm not annoyed or anything - I don't feel that there was ever anything for me to "get over" (using the language that others have used) - but I'm simply less interested in the show now. I think I'm just a bit bored of their style of story-telling, and S6 was particularly disappointing in that regard (particularly highlighted, if it's right, by the fact that literally half of the episodes had cliffhangers).
EDIT: On a more positive note, by far the best bit of the episode was the scene where Negan was getting Rick to cut off Carl's arm. That was some tense shit.
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^ Yeah that scene was really tense. And Andrew Lincoln's acting was really raw. That was great.
I didn't watch the entire episode, I skipped around a bit because I was curious what everyone was talking about. Abraham's death felt pretty mich completely impactless, but Glenn's was well done. It was a bit funny though how they got up and started talking after being hit like that, but whatever, it was still good.
Carl needs to get a haircut though. He just looks funny and it's hard to take anything seriously when he was on screen. It's like he's got the Samurai Cop wig on.
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I'll be the odd man out here... I thought this premiere was pretty shitty. I feel like this show has finally begun to lose me.
1) The deaths were spoiled months ago, and have been a million times since. They came as no surprise. And in true AMC fashion, they continued to milk the fucking thing for an additional two commercial breaks. Abraham's peace sign to say goodbye to Sasha was a nice touch, as was the guy in the background taking a polaroid of what was left of Glenn.
2) I'm tired of Rick. First off. He and his people are on their knees in the middle of the woods, surrounded by 30+ dudes with semi automatic and fully automatic weapons, with Abraham's smashed in skull four feet away, and he looks Negan in the eye and says multiple times "I'm going to kill you"? C'mon. I get he's supposed to be badass and whatnot, but that kind of dialogue just seems silly and unbelievable. I understand that they needed to transfer power from Rick to Negan, and that was the point of that whole RV joy ride, but even that felt like a chore and forced.
3) Carl on the ground with his arm about to be chopped... Did anyone honestly think that was going to play out? I know Rick lost his hand in the comic at all, but they just took Carl's eye, no way they'd take one of his arms. That felt like a good waste of four minutes or so. Also, cut your hair, Carl. You look stupid.
4) Daryl. What the actual fuck? I get that he's Mr. Rebel and the guy who goes against the grain, but would anyone have really tried to pull what he just did? Abraham just had his head smashed in by a guy with a smile on his face and a barbed wire wrapped bat, while you're all surrounded by guys with guns, and not only do you move out of line, but you sucker punch the guy holding the bat? Come the fuck on. That kind of stuff drives me up the all. It doesn't feel real. It didn't feel emotional. It just felt like a bullshit move on the writers end'.
I feel like this show has lost all believability.
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I'll be the odd man out here... I thought this premiere was pretty shitty. I feel like this show has finally begun to lose me.
1) The deaths were spoiled months ago, and have been a million times since. They came as no surprise. And in true AMC fashion, they continued to milk the fucking thing for an additional two commercial breaks. Abraham's peace sign to say goodbye to Sasha was a nice touch, as was the guy in the background taking a polaroid of what was left of Glenn.
2) I'm tired of Rick. First off. He and his people are on their knees in the middle of the woods, surrounded by 30+ dudes with semi automatic and fully automatic weapons, with Abraham's smashed in skull four feet away, and he looks Negan in the eye and says multiple times "I'm going to kill you"? C'mon. I get he's supposed to be badass and whatnot, but that kind of dialogue just seems silly and unbelievable. I understand that they needed to transfer power from Rick to Negan, and that was the point of that whole RV joy ride, but even that felt like a chore and forced.
3) Carl on the ground with his arm about to be chopped... Did anyone honestly think that was going to play out? I know Rick lost his hand in the comic at all, but they just took Carl's eye, no way they'd take one of his arms. That felt like a good waste of four minutes or so. Also, cut your hair, Carl. You look stupid.
4) Daryl. What the actual fuck. I get that he's Mr. Rebel and the guy who goes against the grain, but would anyone have really tried to pull what he just did? Abraham just had his head smashed in by a guy with a smile on his face and a barbed wire wrapped bat, while you're all surrounded by guys guns, and not only do you move out of line, but you sucker punch the guy holding the bat? Come the fuck on. That kind of stuff drives me up the all. It doesn't feel real. It didn't feel emotional. It just felt like a bullshit move on the writers'.
I feel like this show has lost all believability.
I'm glad I jumped off the ship.
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For the sake of discussion I'm going to use your post Brian to speak about a couple points you make because they are common, valid points.
1) The deaths were spoiled months ago, and have been a million times since. They came as no surprise. And in true AMC fashion, they continued to milk the fucking thing for an additional two commercial breaks. Abraham's peace sign to say goodbye to Sasha was a nice touch, as was the guy in the background taking a polaroid of what was left of Glenn.
I liked those two small details as well. But as far as the spoiled deaths...I think the criticism is well deserved and AMC will have to wait and see what the true effect of that stunt is. If they lose a few million viewers I'm sure they'll stray from that type of 'milking' the fan base again. But if they don't lose many viewers from this approach then I doubt that will discourage them from trying something like that in the future. Personally, the 'cliffhanger' and subsequent aftermath didn't bother me all that much and honestly it looks like it achieved exactly what they wanted because the entire break between seasons was filled with speculation, articles...etc about it and kept TWD in the news loop.
2) I'm tired of Rick. First off. He and his people are on their knees in the middle of the woods, surrounded by 30+ dudes with semi automatic and fully automatic weapons, with Abraham's smashed in skull four feet away, and he looks Negan in the eye and says multiple times "I'm going to kill you"? C'mon. I get he's supposed to be badass and whatnot, but that kind of dialogue just seems silly and unbelievable. I understand that they needed to transfer power from Rick to Negan, and that was the point of that whole RV joy ride, but even that felt like a chore and forced.
I have to disagree here only because simply, that is Rick Grimes. In that moment I think he was in such shock that his response was his 'go to' mentality of what put them in that predicament in the first place....and that was.....he's "Rick Grimes Bitches". His default attitude of being invincible was just challenged and destroyed and I think he was so jacked up from it he really didn't know how else to respond.....that response and attitude had worked for him up to then and he was sticking to it. The subsequent ride with Negan and mind fuck with Carl's arm shaved the rest of that attitude away. I too thought the response was silly but it was completely in character IMO.
3) Carl on the ground with his arm about to be chopped... Did anyone honestly think that was going to play out? I know Rick lost his hand in the comic at all, but they just took Carl's eye, no way they'd take one of his arms. That felt like a good waste of four minutes or so. Also, cut your hair, Carl. You look stupid.
for a moment I thought they might but once Rick began to cry and wail I kind of figured Negan would stop him. That scene was intense IMO and a good way to end the entire encounter.
And Carl's hair is not his fault....blame the lazy producers who've said keeping his hair long saves them having to make him up every time for the eye thing...it's more simple to disguise with long hair.....but man, it's getting a bit shaggy.
I feel like this show has lost all believability.
Ehh....it's a show based of a comic. For me it's still entertaining and they're getting to a really good arc in the story. I guess by this point you're either in or out on the show.
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No surprise with the ratings for the premiere.
https://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/25/walking-dead-season-7-premiere-ratings
Cliffhanger worked as intended.
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No surprise with the ratings for the premiere.
https://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/25/walking-dead-season-7-premiere-ratings
Cliffhanger worked as intended.
Yep. Human behavior isn't too difficult to predict, especially if you're educated in it....which most advertisement folk are.
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I don't watch the show anymore, stopped at S5, but I had to see what happened to Glenn via YT.
This came up in my feed today....
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/14656311_611371269034878_8577452320688249375_n.jpg?oh=a548410c5d14344a898b4bb55e5330ba&oe=58A12F05)
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:lol I saw That one also. Those are funny.
What'd you think of the beating Glenn and Abe took?
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I think the attitude Rick had of "I'm going to kill you" is perfectly in line with him. I caught bits and pieces of previous episodes during the marathon on AMC beforehand, and if you recall the S5 (?) premiere (Terminus train car escape) Rick and his buddies are in line to have their throats sliced and he tells Gareth "that's what I'm going to use to kill you" in reference to the red handled machete. He was right that time, so it makes sense for him to be over-confident again.
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I think the attitude Rick had of "I'm going to kill you" is perfectly in line with him. I caught bits and pieces of previous episodes during the marathon on AMC beforehand, and if you recall the S5 (?) premiere (Terminus train car escape) Rick and his buddies are in line to have their throats sliced and he tells Gareth "that's what I'm going to use to kill you" in reference to the red handled machete. He was right that time, so it makes sense for him to be over-confident again.
Yeah, exactly. I just think it was his default mindset and Negan noticed that and made sure to correct it.
There was another thing I noticed and that was Carl's face when Negan was beating Glenn. Everyone else was in 'shock' and noticeably fearful. Carl had a very angry and vindictive look on his face....most likely the same 'look' and thoughts that Rick had yet Negan either didn't notice or didn't care.
Comic readers know the story of what's to come with Carl and the relationship he and Negan ultimately end up having. I thought that was a nice gesture to the revenge Carl is going to seek.
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Quick questions for comic book readers, is the Negan arc done in the comics or is it still ongoing? Also I know Glenn's demise was issue 100, what issue is going on right now?
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Quick questions for comic book readers, is the Negan arc done in the comics or is it still ongoing? Also I know Glenn's demise was issue 100, what issue is going on right now?
The initial Negan arc is over, however Negan is still around. Latest issue I believe is #159.
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Andrew Lincoln isn't a good crier, but it was a million times better than when Lori died. As far as the deaths, although I spoiled them for myself, they weren't any less disturbing and haunting.
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Thought this was a good edit to last season's finale, would've ended on a much better note https://vimeo.com/188946137
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Thought this was a good edit to last season's finale, would've ended on a much better note https://vimeo.com/188946137
Yeah. They could have revealed it then but it certainly didn't hurt the ratings that they didn't. The 'cliffhanger' produced just what they intended. A summer full of speculation and talk and massive ratings.
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This is the writing team of The Walking Dead we're talking about. They've proven for years now that they don't care about making quality entertainment.
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Quick questions for comic book readers, is the Negan arc done in the comics or is it still ongoing? Also I know Glenn's demise was issue 100, what issue is going on right now?
The initial Negan arc is over, however Negan is still around. Latest issue I believe is #159.
I know they talk about stretching this show out for like 12 seasons, but honestly, the end of the upcoming story arc could be re-written into a satisfying series finale at maybe Season 9.
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We watched the season opener the other night. About half way through, Mrs P. fled from the room wild-eyed and making little strangling noises. I laughed myself sick with the absurdity of the whole premise and the overacting.
Still, I'm interested enough to find out how Daryl deals with the guilt of getting Glen killed that I'll watch for a while longer.
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Quick questions for comic book readers, is the Negan arc done in the comics or is it still ongoing? Also I know Glenn's demise was issue 100, what issue is going on right now?
The initial Negan arc is over, however Negan is still around. Latest issue I believe is #159.
I know they talk about stretching this show out for like 12 seasons, but honestly, the end of the upcoming story arc could be re-written into a satisfying series finale at maybe Season 9.
I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. From the teasing of possibly bringing in another arc from the comic WAY early....it appears they are trying to catch up with the comic very quickly....potentially to write a 'TV Ending' without compromising the Comic Book story?
If they are going to fit the entire 'All Out War' arc of the Comic into this season....that would make for one heck of a season!! If they are indeed going to introduce the Whisperer's this season...maybe in the last few episodes....that'd set up all of season 8 then. Which would mean the beginning of Season 8 is what....2, 3 years flash forward?
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I would say the episode and the resolution of the cliffhanger were about as good as they could have been given how they left it. I avoided spoilers between seasons so I didn't know who would die. Abraham would have been a very safe choice, one that I think wouldn't merit the stunt that they pulled. Glenn was a much more significant death, although considering that was his fate from the comic books and the fake death they had for him (one that incidentally probably led to a lot of fans like me finding out about his comic book fate when I wouldn't have otherwise), it also wouldn't really have been great if it was just Glenn that died after going to such lengths to raise the tension over the question. Doing the double death with both of those characters was good though. Honestly for the first 5 minutes or so I genuinely thought that it would be Michonne that died, which was my pick for the boldest character to choose. No offence to Abraham, but considering that he was clearly showing that he was willing to take whatever Negan dished out, and since Rick has lost many "good soldiers" before, his reaction wouldn't really make sense if it was just Abraham that died. Abraham followed by Glenn makes more sense though.
One thing I will say is that, when you consider the quality of the material that they produced across S06E16 and S07E01 - in terms of the directing and performances, the writing, the significant events that would happen - it is criminal that they managed to mess things up in the execution and earn such negative fan reaction. Including the lowest rated episode on IMDB (https://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt1520211) (these ratings definitely don't tell you everything about the quality of the episodes, but they are good for seeing which episodes provoke a very strong positive or negative reaction from fans). The material was all pretty good, and judged as a continuous story, independent from the week to week and season to season format, it vould probably be considered a highlight. But the mentality of sacrificing the story for the sake of producing "stunts" hurt them. Maybe since the ratings for the premiere were good so they could call it a win, but I think that losing some fan enthusiasm and gaining a reputation for being a show that relies on gimmicks rather than quality to get people talking could hurt it in the long run.
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One thing I will say is that, when you consider the quality of the material that they produced across S06E16 and S07E01 - in terms of the directing and performances, the writing, the significant events that would happen - it is criminal that they managed to mess things up in the execution and earn such negative fan reaction. Including the lowest rated episode on IMDB (https://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt1520211) (these ratings definitely don't tell you everything about the quality of the episodes, but they are good for seeing which episodes provoke a very strong positive or negative reaction from fans). The material was all pretty good, and judged as a continuous story, independent from the week to week and season to season format, it vould probably be considered a highlight. But the mentality of sacrificing the story for the sake of producing "stunts" hurt them. Maybe since the ratings for the premiere were good so they could call it a win, but I think that losing some fan enthusiasm and gaining a reputation for being a show that relies on gimmicks rather than quality to get people talking could hurt it in the long run.
Yeah. It's odd those IMBD rating are low purely based on the cliffhanger, and the wait. When people binge watch this show for the first time in the future, it will feel completely different for them.
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One thing I will say is that, when you consider the quality of the material that they produced across S06E16 and S07E01 - in terms of the directing and performances, the writing, the significant events that would happen - it is criminal that they managed to mess things up in the execution and earn such negative fan reaction. Including the lowest rated episode on IMDB (https://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt1520211) (these ratings definitely don't tell you everything about the quality of the episodes, but they are good for seeing which episodes provoke a very strong positive or negative reaction from fans). The material was all pretty good, and judged as a continuous story, independent from the week to week and season to season format, it vould probably be considered a highlight. But the mentality of sacrificing the story for the sake of producing "stunts" hurt them. Maybe since the ratings for the premiere were good so they could call it a win, but I think that losing some fan enthusiasm and gaining a reputation for being a show that relies on gimmicks rather than quality to get people talking could hurt it in the long run.
Yeah. It's odd those IMBD rating are low purely based on the cliffhanger, and the wait. When people binge watch this show for the first time in the future, it will feel completely different for them.
I don't think it's that odd. Directing, lighting, acting etc. are all well and good but only go so far if there is a major failure of storytelling, which there was.
As you say, binge watching with no distinction between seasons would probably largely fix this problem. But that's not how anybody has watched it.
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I would say the episode and the resolution of the cliffhanger were about as good as they could have been given how they left it. I avoided spoilers between seasons so I didn't know who would die. Abraham would have been a very safe choice, one that I think wouldn't merit the stunt that they pulled. Glenn was a much more significant death, although considering that was his fate from the comic books and the fake death they had for him (one that incidentally probably led to a lot of fans like me finding out about his comic book fate when I wouldn't have otherwise), it also wouldn't really have been great if it was just Glenn that died after going to such lengths to raise the tension over the question. Doing the double death with both of those characters was good though. Honestly for the first 5 minutes or so I genuinely thought that it would be Michonne that died, which was my pick for the boldest character to choose. No offence to Abraham, but considering that he was clearly showing that he was willing to take whatever Negan dished out, and since Rick has lost many "good soldiers" before, his reaction wouldn't really make sense if it was just Abraham that died. Abraham followed by Glenn makes more sense though.
I think that's exactly why Negan killed him. Abraham was a badass mo-fo who was also suicidal. He had nothing to lose and was clearly not afraid to be killed. I think Negan knew right away that Abraham would have ultimately been no use to him, probably inferring that he was a trained military guy who's already seen some shit and couldn't be broken. If anything, he was true opposition. If you looked down that line, with the exception of Carl, every other person besides Abraham was shitting their pants and/or crying. Those are the people Negan wants to recruit, not the ones that proudly look death in the eye like Abraham. He needs people that are terrified who can be manipulated and molded through fear. Abraham made it very clear that he would not be one of those people. Negan knew that he could never turn him into an asset.
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I would say the episode and the resolution of the cliffhanger were about as good as they could have been given how they left it. I avoided spoilers between seasons so I didn't know who would die. Abraham would have been a very safe choice, one that I think wouldn't merit the stunt that they pulled. Glenn was a much more significant death, although considering that was his fate from the comic books and the fake death they had for him (one that incidentally probably led to a lot of fans like me finding out about his comic book fate when I wouldn't have otherwise), it also wouldn't really have been great if it was just Glenn that died after going to such lengths to raise the tension over the question. Doing the double death with both of those characters was good though. Honestly for the first 5 minutes or so I genuinely thought that it would be Michonne that died, which was my pick for the boldest character to choose. No offence to Abraham, but considering that he was clearly showing that he was willing to take whatever Negan dished out, and since Rick has lost many "good soldiers" before, his reaction wouldn't really make sense if it was just Abraham that died. Abraham followed by Glenn makes more sense though.
I think that's exactly why Negan killed him. Abraham was a badass mo-fo who was also suicidal. He had nothing to lose and was clearly not afraid to be killed. I think Negan knew right away that Abraham would have ultimately been no use to him, probably inferring that he was a trained military guy who's already seen some shit and couldn't be broken. If anything, he was true opposition. If you looked down that line, with the exception of Carl, every other person besides Abraham was shitting their pants and/or crying. Those are the people Negan wants to recruit, not the ones that proudly look death in the eye like Abraham. He needs people that are terrified who can be manipulated and molded through fear. Abraham made it very clear that he would not be one of those people. Negan knew that he could never turn him into an asset.
Also notice that when they replayed Negan's eeny meeny miney mo from Rick's POV he kept jumping from person to person, not really going in order down the line. The game wasn't meant to choose the person, it was just to scare the hell out of everyone.
Negan knew when Abe raised his head(essentially volunteering to die) he was never gonna break this guy and that he needed to kill him.
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I think that's exactly why Negan killed him. Abraham was a badass mo-fo who was also suicidal. He had nothing to lose and was clearly not afraid to be killed. I think Negan knew right away that Abraham would have ultimately been no use to him, probably inferring that he was a trained military guy who's already seen some shit and couldn't be broken. If anything, he was true opposition. If you looked down that line, with the exception of Carl, every other person besides Abraham was shitting their pants and/or crying. Those are the people Negan wants to recruit, not the ones that proudly look death in the eye like Abraham. He needs people that are terrified who can be manipulated and molded through fear. Abraham made it very clear that he would not be one of those people. Negan knew that he could never turn him into an asset.
good point and I'd say spot on. Even the small grin that Abe gave off on his close up in the episode the moment before he was whacked suggests that he was 'happy' to have been chosen. Either to have finally get the chance to meet death or in the fact that he knew it wouldn't be anyone else, but Abe did grin and his eyes had the look of relief.
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Really enjoyed that episode. Very good intro to Eziekeil and The Kingdom. Cool idea he pitched to Carol as well. I thought they did more with his character intro than any to date as far as getting his story and attempting to endear us to him immediately. Worked for me.
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....oh and, I thought the animation on Sheeva was really well done.
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I liked the last episode too. Ezekiel is a cool character.
People on the Walking Dead IMDb board are so annoying. Always saying "this episode sucks", "I stopped watching after 15 minutes", etc... every episode. Always whining.
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Slow and uneventful as expected. Not a bad episode, but I wish we could sim ahead to next week.
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I expected it to be a slow episode, but it was at least a good one. Great introduction to a character as well as place with a few things already established like The Kingdom people knowing who the Saviors are.
Plus I like this actor who plays Ezekiel. Has a pretty good charm to him.
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I posted this in the Halloween Pic thread....
Eeny.....Meeny....
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:lol nice
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Great. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sZNusg_0MY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sZNusg_0MY
Someone had entirely too much time on their hands :lol
Oh and in case anyone hasn't read/seen yet....Episode 4 is an extended episode...90 minutes I believe. It'll be the first episode we get to see Rick and Co. in the aftermath of meeting Negan and it looks like it's Negan's first trip to Alexandria to 'collect' half his :censored
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Good episode on its own, nice to see more of Negan again. I wonder if the show's choice to not do multiple story lines is an artistic choice or just something that saves them money somehow. I don't have any expectation from next week's episode being 90 minutes. It probably amounts to 15-17 minutes of more episode than usual but in TWD's case longer episodes don't mean anything exciting.
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We're on Easy Street.
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I thought that was a really well done episode. I like how they are showing that side of Dwight that still knows Negan's a psychopath but he's doing it all to make sure his wife is safe and taken care of. And the relationship between Daryl and Negan is shaping up to be interesting. I'm betting Daryl eventually says that he is 'Negan' in order to begin the escape or plan to take Negan out.
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Pretty good ep. I like how Daryl has been inserted into this part of the story as it makes me unsure what to expect exactly.
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I thought it was an Ok episode. I am getting a little worried they are starting to make Negan to much of a cartoon villain though.
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
I agree, Chino. I think his survival to this point is completely unbelievable. My contention is that if fifty people, armed with automatic weapons, were standing around in a circle watching their "leader" behave like that (we're lead to believe he's treated them the same way), at least one of them would just plug him and move on.
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
I agree, Chino. I think his survival to this point is completely unbelievable. My contention is that if fifty people, armed with automatic weapons, were standing around in a circle watching their "leader" behave like that (we're lead to believe he's treated them the same way), at least one of them would just plug him and move on.
I can almost get onboard with that, we see it in militaries all over the world, but having everyone respond "Negan" when he asks them what their names are is just silly, IMO. And I have a hard time believing, based on what we've seen so far with Dwight's character, that he'd just carry on after all that stuff with his wife.
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
I agree, Chino. I think his survival to this point is completely unbelievable. My contention is that if fifty people, armed with automatic weapons, were standing around in a circle watching their "leader" behave like that (we're lead to believe he's treated them the same way), at least one of them would just plug him and move on.
I can almost get onboard with that, we see it in militaries all over the world, but having everyone respond "Negan" when he asks them what their names are is just silly, IMO. And I have a hard time believing, based on what we've seen so far with Dwight's character, that he'd just carry on after all that stuff with his wife.
Gotta disagree with both of you. I think the portrayal of Negan thus far has been pretty good...near spot on. Why would his 'people' turn on him? They essentially live a life of luxury (for that world) and are literally at the top of the food chain. It's probably near certain that Negan has done to each of them what they are doing to Daryl so after being mentally broken down...then swearing allegiance and then getting the perks of that allegiance....why would they rock the boat? It'd be like Michonne, Daryl or anyone else at Alexandria deciding to shoot and kill Rick. Sure they could, but they know damn well that they'd be less safe and up shit creek without him.
For me, Dwight is tracking nicely. We see why he's putting up with his situation because of his desire to make sure his wife is taken care of....yet at the same time we know that he'd like to do something about it but just can't muster the courage.
I've enjoyed the first three episodes greatly and like the way the season is going
To the comic readers:
There's a theory online that the Daryl storyline 'may' be replacing Carl's spot in the comic. I think that'd be a horrible idea. The relationship between Carl and Negan in the comic is a vital component to the overall story IMO and that same feel/mood would be lost if they try and make Daryl 'that guy' in lieu of Carl.
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
I agree, Chino. I think his survival to this point is completely unbelievable. My contention is that if fifty people, armed with automatic weapons, were standing around in a circle watching their "leader" behave like that (we're lead to believe he's treated them the same way), at least one of them would just plug him and move on.
I can almost get onboard with that, we see it in militaries all over the world, but having everyone respond "Negan" when he asks them what their names are is just silly, IMO. And I have a hard time believing, based on what we've seen so far with Dwight's character, that he'd just carry on after all that stuff with his wife.
Gotta disagree with both of you. I think the portrayal of Negan thus far has been pretty good...near spot on. Why would his 'people' turn on him? They essentially live a life of luxury (for that world) and are literally at the top of the food chain. It's probably near certain that Negan has done to each of them what they are doing to Daryl so after being mentally broken down...then swearing allegiance and then getting the perks of that allegiance....why would they rock the boat? It'd be like Michonne, Daryl or anyone else at Alexandria deciding to shoot and kill Rick. Sure they could, but they know damn well that they'd be less safe and up shit creek without him.
For me, Dwight is tracking nicely. We see why he's putting up with his situation because of his desire to make sure his wife is taken care of....yet at the same time we know that he'd like to do something about it but just can't muster the courage.
I've enjoyed the first three episodes greatly and like the way the season is going
To the comic readers:
There's a theory online that the Daryl storyline 'may' be replacing Carl's spot in the comic. I think that'd be a horrible idea. The relationship between Carl and Negan in the comic is a vital component to the overall story IMO and that same feel/mood would be lost if they try and make Daryl 'that guy' in lieu of Carl.
I agree with the other two. Negan followers have been to the other camps and can see that it is possible to still live a civilized life without a crazed dictator. I'm in the camp that someone would have simply capped Negan by now - he's simply to much of a loony.
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
I agree, Chino. I think his survival to this point is completely unbelievable. My contention is that if fifty people, armed with automatic weapons, were standing around in a circle watching their "leader" behave like that (we're lead to believe he's treated them the same way), at least one of them would just plug him and move on.
I can almost get onboard with that, we see it in militaries all over the world, but having everyone respond "Negan" when he asks them what their names are is just silly, IMO. And I have a hard time believing, based on what we've seen so far with Dwight's character, that he'd just carry on after all that stuff with his wife.
Gotta disagree with both of you. I think the portrayal of Negan thus far has been pretty good...near spot on. Why would his 'people' turn on him? They essentially live a life of luxury (for that world) and are literally at the top of the food chain. It's probably near certain that Negan has done to each of them what they are doing to Daryl so after being mentally broken down...then swearing allegiance and then getting the perks of that allegiance....why would they rock the boat? It'd be like Michonne, Daryl or anyone else at Alexandria deciding to shoot and kill Rick. Sure they could, but they know damn well that they'd be less safe and up shit creek without him.
For me, Dwight is tracking nicely. We see why he's putting up with his situation because of his desire to make sure his wife is taken care of....yet at the same time we know that he'd like to do something about it but just can't muster the courage.
I've enjoyed the first three episodes greatly and like the way the season is going
To the comic readers:
There's a theory online that the Daryl storyline 'may' be replacing Carl's spot in the comic. I think that'd be a horrible idea. The relationship between Carl and Negan in the comic is a vital component to the overall story IMO and that same feel/mood would be lost if they try and make Daryl 'that guy' in lieu of Carl.
I agree with the other two. Negan followers have been to the other camps and can see that it is possible to still live a civilized life without a crazed dictator. I'm in the camp that someone would have simply capped Negan by now - he's simply to much of a loony.
This. Had they been in isolation in Negan's camp for all this time, that'd be one thing. But I don't see how they could go regularly to places like the Kingdom and not have at least a few guys think "hey, we could do this and not have to lock people in cells, brainwash them, or turn their brains into a pulp. Negan's kind of a douche and probably has a tiny dick".
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I'm really not enjoying Negan. I get this show exists in a fantasy universe, but he's just not doing it for me. He's too over the top and a really hard character to buy into.
I agree, Chino. I think his survival to this point is completely unbelievable. My contention is that if fifty people, armed with automatic weapons, were standing around in a circle watching their "leader" behave like that (we're lead to believe he's treated them the same way), at least one of them would just plug him and move on.
I can almost get onboard with that, we see it in militaries all over the world, but having everyone respond "Negan" when he asks them what their names are is just silly, IMO. And I have a hard time believing, based on what we've seen so far with Dwight's character, that he'd just carry on after all that stuff with his wife.
Gotta disagree with both of you. I think the portrayal of Negan thus far has been pretty good...near spot on. Why would his 'people' turn on him? They essentially live a life of luxury (for that world) and are literally at the top of the food chain. It's probably near certain that Negan has done to each of them what they are doing to Daryl so after being mentally broken down...then swearing allegiance and then getting the perks of that allegiance....why would they rock the boat? It'd be like Michonne, Daryl or anyone else at Alexandria deciding to shoot and kill Rick. Sure they could, but they know damn well that they'd be less safe and up shit creek without him.
For me, Dwight is tracking nicely. We see why he's putting up with his situation because of his desire to make sure his wife is taken care of....yet at the same time we know that he'd like to do something about it but just can't muster the courage.
I've enjoyed the first three episodes greatly and like the way the season is going
To the comic readers:
There's a theory online that the Daryl storyline 'may' be replacing Carl's spot in the comic. I think that'd be a horrible idea. The relationship between Carl and Negan in the comic is a vital component to the overall story IMO and that same feel/mood would be lost if they try and make Daryl 'that guy' in lieu of Carl.
I agree with the other two. Negan followers have been to the other camps and can see that it is possible to still live a civilized life without a crazed dictator. I'm in the camp that someone would have simply capped Negan by now - he's simply to much of a loony.
This. Had they been in isolation in Negan's camp for all this time, that'd be one thing. But I don't see how they could go regularly to places like the Kingdom and not have at least a few guys think "hey, we could do this and not have to lock people in cells, brainwash them, or turn their brains into a pulp. Negan's kind of a douche and probably has a tiny dick".
But they do have guys do that....try to escape. Then they are hunted down and killed. I think the guys Negan has left are people that most likely weren't the most upstanding citizens of the world if you know what I mean. They are murderer rapist folks who probably get off and love the fact they get to terrorize and plunder.
I don't see it as 'far fetched' that a group of dudes like that are fine with being led by a guy who out crazies them.
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But they do have guys do that....try to escape. Then they are hunted down and killed.
Why do they try and escape? If they're all standing around with guns, why not just shoot Negan in the head, and then the whole structure falls down.
I think the guys Negan has left are people that most likely weren't the most upstanding citizens of the world if you know what I mean. They are murderer rapist folks who probably get off and love the fact they get to terrorize and plunder.
I don't see it as 'far fetched' that a group of dudes like that are fine with being led by a guy who out crazies them.
Which is more believable, but also more over-the-top. I haven't read the comics so maybe my expectations are off-base, but I was of the impression that after Negan kills off Glenn (to make a statement), he is otherwise very charismatic and can win people over with his charm. Not getting that at all so far.
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he is otherwise very charismatic and can win people over with his charm. Not getting that at all so far.
Huh..really? I think JDM is doing a great job as Negan thus far.
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I think the 2nd episode portraying Negan has a slightly more over the top candor than what we saw earlier, I'm ok with it so far. I'm waiting to see how it plays out and I liked the dynamic they showed with him and Dwight, I don't think his interaction with the other members of the gang was at the same level, felt more juvenile. Again no problem so far, will wait until the payoff. God knows with this show any expectations I have will be shattered so better to expect nothing.
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Pretty quick read and some comments from the writer of "Easy Street"
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/the-walking-dead-season-7-episode-3-what-is-the-easy-street-song-a7401941.html
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he is otherwise very charismatic and can win people over with his charm. Not getting that at all so far.
Huh..really? I think JDM is doing a great job as Negan thus far.
His acting is fine (I really like JDM), I think it's more the writing/narrative.
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he is otherwise very charismatic and can win people over with his charm. Not getting that at all so far.
Huh..really? I think JDM is doing a great job as Negan thus far.
His acting is fine (I really like JDM), I think it's more the writing/narrative.
This. I think he's playing the character perfectly and exactly how the writers had hoped he would. I just think it's a shit character :lol
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he is otherwise very charismatic and can win people over with his charm. Not getting that at all so far.
Huh..really? I think JDM is doing a great job as Negan thus far.
His acting is fine (I really like JDM), I think it's more the writing/narrative.
This. I think he's playing the character perfectly and exactly how the writers had hoped he would. I just think it's a shit character :lol
I still think it's way too early to tell. And even if it stays on pace it's no where close to how badly they butchered Andrea, Tyrese and the Governors characters. Personally, i think Negan has been pretty spot on this far but whatever.
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What's wrong with Tyrese? I thought he was great in the show. I didn't like the actress who played Andrea at all, didn't help that they made her character very annoying.
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Compared to the comics Tyrese (and Abraham) were kinda disappointing. Both were weak, Tyrese especially.
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Compared to the comics Tyrese (and Abraham) were kinda disappointing. Both were weak, Tyrese especially.
Yeah....comic Abraham and comic Tyrese were awesome. Show Tyrese was too timid and 'weak'....very wishy washy. Comic Tyrese was just a bad A$$. Now, show Abraham grew on me and I liked the show character but the comic Abraham was more militaristic and 'mean'. I liked him as well.
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I think that's one of the difficulties for those who have already read source material and are always comparing the TV counterpart. TV Tyrese can be completely different to comic Tyrese and it's often hard to separate the two. Me never having read the comics took the character from whatever they displayed on the show without any preconceived notions on what to expect. I think TV characters no matter the source material should work with the context of the show and for me both Abraham and Tyrese worked, Andrea did not.
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I think that's one of the difficulties for those who have already read source material and are always comparing the TV counterpart. TV Tyrese can be completely different to comic Tyrese and it's often hard to separate the two. Me never having read the comics took the character from whatever they displayed on the show without any preconceived notions on what to expect. I think TV characters no matter the source material should work with the context of the show and for me both Abraham and Tyrese worked, Andrea did not.
That is the tough aspect of reading the comic and watching the show. for the most part, they really are two separate entities that work well on their own. but in the instances where the characters change SO much it's tough to take. The most glaring being Andrea.....who is still alive and kicking in the comic and a complete bad a$$ character. Her show character was tough to take and I think they realized they brutally F'd that one up and just killed her off.
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I think that's one of the difficulties for those who have already read source material and are always comparing the TV counterpart. TV Tyrese can be completely different to comic Tyrese and it's often hard to separate the two. Me never having read the comics took the character from whatever they displayed on the show without any preconceived notions on what to expect. I think TV characters no matter the source material should work with the context of the show and for me both Abraham and Tyrese worked, Andrea did not.
Agreed.
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Was Dwight stealing food on the side behind Negan's back when he made that breakfast sandwich?
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I think that's one of the difficulties for those who have already read source material and are always comparing the TV counterpart. TV Tyrese can be completely different to comic Tyrese and it's often hard to separate the two. Me never having read the comics took the character from whatever they displayed on the show without any preconceived notions on what to expect. I think TV characters no matter the source material should work with the context of the show and for me both Abraham and Tyrese worked, Andrea did not.
Agreed.
I second! I love the fact that I have no comparison to the comics and only have the TV characters to observe. I'm loving this season so far!
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Was Dwight stealing food on the side behind Negan's back when he made that breakfast sandwich?
Sure looked like it. Or, it was showing the 'status' that he has with Negan now?
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Negan totally neutered Rick. He had Lucille the entire episode and Rick had hundreds of opportunities to do him in. Let's say hypothetically, Rick did do it, would the Saviors still be menacing? Would it have been the case if the leader falls, they would withdraw?
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Negan totally neutered Rick. He had Lucille the entire episode and Rick had hundreds of opportunities to do him in. Let's say hypothetically, Rick did do it, would the Saviors still be menacing? Would it have been the case if the leader falls, they would withdraw?
No, they would annihilate all of Alexandria.
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IMO Jeffrey Dean Morgan is nailing Portaying Negan. He's doing a great job. Thought this was a solid episode again.
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Comic vs Show Talk:
What will disappoint me with this season is if they switch the Carl/Negan relationship that transpires in the comic to Negan and Daryl. That relationship/interaction between Carl and Negan is VITAL IMO to the story....I can't imagine that they'd mess with that but I thought that in the comic last nights episode would have been the instance when Carl hid in the truck and got back to Negans hideout and shot it up? I suppose they still have time and opportunity to make that happen but am just worried they are going to try and switch that arc to being Daryl....and it won't be nearly as interesting if they do.
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I've enjoyed all the post headsmash episodes so far, on their own I think they are great. Only complaint is I really wished they did multiple storylines, and were able to keep an even pace during the season. This is something I've always found an issue with. TWD's season pacing just seems outawhack.
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I've enjoyed all the post headsmash episodes so far, on their own I think they are great. Only complaint is I really wished they did multiple storylines, and were able to keep an even pace during the season. This is something I've always found an issue with. TWD's season pacing just seems outawhack.
Big time. Its really fucking annoying.
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I've enjoyed all the post headsmash episodes so far, on their own I think they are great. Only complaint is I really wished they did multiple storylines, and were able to keep an even pace during the season. This is something I've always found an issue with. TWD's season pacing just seems outawhack.
Big time. Its really fucking annoying.
It's like we're watching two different shows/seasons at once.
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Negan totally neutered Rick. He had Lucille the entire episode and Rick had hundreds of opportunities to do him in. Let's say hypothetically, Rick did do it, would the Saviors still be menacing? Would it have been the case if the leader falls, they would withdraw?
No, they would annihilate all of Alexandria.
And then what? Victoria and I were talking about this last night. What's their contingency plan and chain of command like? If someone decided to just shoot Negan in the face, and a #2 took over, they aren't going to have the same level respect for (fear of) that person. Not even close. If Negan falls, that entire group falls, and then it collapses into anarchy.
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Negan totally neutered Rick. He had Lucille the entire episode and Rick had hundreds of opportunities to do him in. Let's say hypothetically, Rick did do it, would the Saviors still be menacing? Would it have been the case if the leader falls, they would withdraw?
No, they would annihilate all of Alexandria.
And then what? Victoria and I were talking about this last night. What's their contingency plan and chain of command like? If someone decided to just shoot Negan in the face, and a #2 took over, they aren't going to have the same level respect for (fear of) that person. Not even close. If Negan falls, that entire group falls, and then it collapses into anarchy.
In fairness, Rick doesn't know that. The conversations between Negan, Dwight and Daryl mean we the viewers know that Negan's hold over the Saviors is based on fear and that if he was taken out there'd probably be a fair number (though certainly not all) who would feel relief. But Rick's never seen that - as far as he can see, they're all totally on the same page.
And as much as JDM's acting is great, I'm not really buying or liking the character. He's just a playground bully and it's pretty irritating.
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Negan totally neutered Rick. He had Lucille the entire episode and Rick had hundreds of opportunities to do him in. Let's say hypothetically, Rick did do it, would the Saviors still be menacing? Would it have been the case if the leader falls, they would withdraw?
No, they would annihilate all of Alexandria.
And then what? Victoria and I were talking about this last night. What's their contingency plan and chain of command like? If someone decided to just shoot Negan in the face, and a #2 took over, they aren't going to have the same level respect for (fear of) that person. Not even close. If Negan falls, that entire group falls, and then it collapses into anarchy.
In fairness, Rick doesn't know that. The conversations between Negan, Dwight and Daryl mean we the viewers know that Negan's hold over the Saviors is based on fear and that if he was taken out there'd probably be a fair number (though certainly not all) who would feel relief. But Rick's never seen that - as far as he can see, they're all totally on the same page.
And as much as JDM's acting is great, I'm not really buying or liking the character. He's just a playground bully and it's pretty irritating.
No disagreeing there. We weren't discussing why Rick wasn't trying to kill Negan. We were more interested in how Negan's people would react if that were to actually happen. My feelings are exactly the same in regards to Negan. Worst villain yet, and not in a good way.
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Man...I just don't see it that way. I think JDM and the character Negan right now are great. Already far and above more interesting than the Governor ever was. I honestly don't get all the hate. I guess it goes back to any of the criticism for this show (or others) and that is expectations. I never expected the TV show to be able to capture Negan perfectly in large part due to the lack of the 'F' word. I knew they'd have to alter that....but I don't think it's hurt at all.
I don't find it difficult to believe that none of Negan's men have tried to kill him because....why would they? Why would they rock the boat that is giving them everything they want? Weapons, food, sex, booze....on and on. They take whatever the F they want when they want. Negan has established himself to them as a leader that provides. I don't get why we'd assume that one of them would want to take him out?
As far as Rick and Co. trying to take him out....I mean geez....give the show a chance to tell the story. If you for a second think that Rick Grimes is going to continue to put his tail between his legs then more power to you but you're sorely mistaken. Whether you agree with the angle TWD is playing right now all they are doing is showing just how big a force Negan and Co. are. It's a pretty important thing to get across. Had they just left this display at one episode everyone would be in an uproar about the show only spending one show displaying Negan's reign and power. TWD is becoming DT.... no win situation no matter what they do with a sect of their 'fans'.
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Man...I just don't see it that way. I think JDM and the character Negan right now are great. Already far and above more interesting than the Governor ever was. I honestly don't get all the hate. I guess it goes back to any of the criticism for this show (or others) and that is expectations. I never expected the TV show to be able to capture Negan perfectly in large part due to the lack of the 'F' word. I knew they'd have to alter that....but I don't think it's hurt at all.
I've never read the comics so I didn't have any particular expectations. For all I know, profanities aside this is exactly how he is in the comics. I'm just not (so far) finding his character interesting. The Governor sucked but there were some interesting motivations around his character. Dwight is a bit like that at the moment too. But Negan is so far just a dick.
I don't find it difficult to believe that none of Negan's men have tried to kill him because....why would they? Why would they rock the boat that is giving them everything they want? Weapons, food, sex, booze....on and on. They take whatever the F they want when they want. Negan has established himself to them as a leader that provides. I don't get why we'd assume that one of them would want to take him out?
Agreed with all this.
As far as Rick and Co. trying to take him out....I mean geez....give the show a chance to tell the story. If you for a second think that Rick Grimes is going to continue to put his tail between his legs then more power to you but you're sorely mistaken. Whether you agree with the angle TWD is playing right now all they are doing is showing just how big a force Negan and Co. are. It's a pretty important thing to get across. Had they just left this display at one episode everyone would be in an uproar about the show only spending one show displaying Negan's reign and power. TWD is becoming DT.... no win situation no matter what they do with a sect of their 'fans'.
On the whole I agree with you, but I don't think you need to stoop to using 'fans' in inverted commas. If someone likes the show enough to consider themselves a fan, then they're a fan. I don't pretend to be that as I don't find the show consistently enjoyable enough, but I'm a viewer and I definitely like some of the stuff. Don't see why that should make my opinion any less valid.
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arrich.....yours, Chino's.....all opinions are valid. My 'fans' wasn't directed at anyone in particular, especially in this thread. It was a shot at the vast majority of the articles in the internet currently about TWD. It appears to me that in most cases these are critical articles being written by so called fans that are really just exploiting the fanbase of TWD by knowing 'we' will click on the article and read it.....and it's nothing but pointing out what they deem wrong with the show. Hardly a mention of the things that are still cool about it, which there is plenty of.
I agree with the sentiment that the pacing has always been an issue with the show. They don't have an arrangement guru ala Mike Portnoy on staff that is able to take these scenes and stack them up for a more creative story. This single story arc per episode they have going is getting stale yes, but I personally still enjoy the show.
Please don't think I'm trying to pick a fight over TWD or belittle anyone for the shows sake. That's not my intent. Was just trying to defend a show i happen to still like a lot and have a hard time seeing the criticisms being expressed
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Fair play, I haven't seen those articles myself - I tend to avoid anything that even vaguely resembles clickbait :lol
And I totally get where you're coming from because I get frustrated when I do see those sorts of articles as well.
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I'm on the Negan is a bit of a letdown side right now. Someone else said it above, he's just a Bully (a goofy one at that) - he feels more like a henchman than a true big bad. There doesn't seem to be anything clever or interesting about him, he just bullies and belittles people. The only one of Negans men we are being shown is Dwight - who seems to be ranked quite high is the hierarchy, but he clearly hates Negan and we were shown Negan belittling him. So as of yet i'm seeing nothing about him that screams great leader, or inspiring people to follow him.
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I don't find it difficult to believe that none of Negan's men have tried to kill him because....why would they? Why would they rock the boat that is giving them everything they want? Weapons, food, sex, booze....on and on. They take whatever the F they want when they want. Negan has established himself to them as a leader that provides. I don't get why we'd assume that one of them would want to take him out?
Gary, my bro, my buddy. I think I can help you out with why some (most) think the Negan as a leader situation is unconvincing, but I need you to put on your imagination beanie.
Imagine you, Gary, have been swallowed up in the Saviors. Your wife is being held as a harem slave by Negan. Your boys are all dead having been carried away by walkers years ago. You've been through unimaginable pain, years of the roller-coaster of depression, violence, hope and anger yet here you are; a survivor. You've seen Negan smash heads up close, he's personally told you your wife's life depends on your good behavior.
Then.
One day there is a call to arms, the whole clan is to terrorize a new threat and bring them over to the Saviors. You're standing there watching him do his schtick. You've got an automatic weapon in your hands. You're standing 12 yards away. The safety is off...
The problem isn't that there are people who want the perks and are willing to go along. I get that, I really do. The problem is that in a group that size, considering Negan's "management style", that we're expected to believe there isn't one person who would just say (or hadn't already said) fuck it. Even the Governor was smart enough to give the illusion of peace and prosperity.
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I don't find it difficult to believe that none of Negan's men have tried to kill him because....why would they? Why would they rock the boat that is giving them everything they want? Weapons, food, sex, booze....on and on. They take whatever the F they want when they want. Negan has established himself to them as a leader that provides. I don't get why we'd assume that one of them would want to take him out?
Gary, my bro, my buddy. I think I can help you out with why some (most) think the Negan as a leader situation is unconvincing, but I need you to put on your imagination beanie.
Imagine you, Gary, have been swallowed up in the Saviors. Your wife is being held as a harem slave by Negan. Your boys are all dead having been carried away by walkers years ago. You've been through unimaginable pain, years of the roller-coaster of depression, violence, hope and anger yet here you are; a survivor. You've seen Negan smash heads up close, he's personally told you your wife's life depends on your good behavior.
Then.
One day there is a call to arms, the whole clan is to terrorize a new threat and bring them over to the Saviors. You're standing there watching him do his schtick. You've got an automatic weapon in your hands. You're standing 12 yards away. The safety is off...
The problem isn't that there are people who want the perks and are willing to go along. I get that, I really do. The problem is that in a group that size, considering Negan's "management style", that we're expected to believe there isn't one person who would just say (or hadn't already said) fuck it. Even the Governor was smart enough to give the illusion of peace and prosperity.
This is where my head is at.
"Why would they rock the boat that is giving them everything they want? Weapons, food, sex, booze....on and on. They take whatever the F they want when they want."
That's assuming everyone of of Negan's guys has always thought like or secretly wanted to be a pirate. Maybe that's how Negan hooked them in their most desperate times, when they thought there was no better option, but when they go to places like Alexandria and The Kingdom, do they not see any kind of light? They get no sense of 'maybe we don't have to do this'. Outside of maybe the sex, which we've still seen plenty of, they can have all those things in both Alexandria and The Kingdom without having to be an accessory to head smashing and intimidation.
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Brian and Gregg....totally get those points. My larger point is, and what I've been trying to allude to without ruining anything is.......why don't we just let AMC tell the story? I'm certain there's a reason they had an episode where we learned a softer side to Dwight and that he hated/hates Negan....that they've shown his reluctance and shame as he serves Negan. I don't doubt there are others there that feel the same way.
Maybe they just haven't been inspired enough to make the move? Maybe they are waiting for something, maybe they just aren't strong enough to do it themselves but would gladly follow someone who would? I mean, it's been all of three/four days in that story line since Rick and Co. were savaged by Negan? Can we just take a breath and realize that there's no way in :censored that Rick is going to tolerate that much longer, we've already seen it with the 'careful, the way you're looking at me right now' and the gripping the bat as if to just take Negan out right there? It's not gonna last much longer...even if I weren't a comic book reader I could see that. Once Rick and Co. meet the Kingdom and realize the numbers aren't as bad as he thinks....well then, I think things will begin to change. But to get all bent out of shape because Rick hasn't done something yet only days after watching Glenn and Abraham get their skulls turning into spaghetti is a bit unfair to the characters and writers, because he's acting exactly how he should....and is not showing signs of snapping out of it.
As far as Negan's men not turning on him as a whole...I'll still stick with the theory that the type of men he's surrounded himself with really have no desire to lead, they are fine following and basking in the spoils of plundering. Those aren't bankers and CEO's in his group. They are convicts and criminals who are fine with where they are at in life.
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I don't really have any issue with Rick's behavior or reaction to the situation. My only skepticism is with Negan's crew.
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I don't really have any issue with Rick's behavior or reaction to the situation. My only skepticism is with Negan's crew.
gotcha. I think we just have different ideas of how they'd behave.
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I just want the tiger to kill and eat Negan, but not right away.
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I thought this was another solid episode and IMO this season thus far has been great. A lot of tough groundwork that could be difficult to transpose from page to screen has been layed, looking forward to the payoff(s)
Gregory has been cast perfectly and is being nailed by that actor.
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I thought that episode was really good. I like the hilltop, that is the kind of interpersonal drama that the show somehow doesn't seem to have a lot of.
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Gregory has been cast perfectly and is being nailed by that actor.
Personally, I'm eagerly anticipating his demise. Wondering if it'll be at the hands of one of The Saviors or Maggie.
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Gregory has been cast perfectly and is being nailed by that actor.
Personally, I'm eagerly anticipating his demise. Wondering if it'll be at the hands of one of The Saviors or Maggie.
I hope the story goes exactly as it did in the graphic novel concerning that arc.
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Guess we know where Rick and Co. will get re-armed.
If I gave two craps about Tara this episode would have been alright. But I don't see how you can give an entire episode to a third rate character like that. I'm sure they wanted to establish where they can get weapons....but the entirety of content we got from that episode could have been accomplished in 20 minutes.....or at least a side by side with another storyline. By far my least favorite episode of this season, and in recent seasons.
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What a waste of an episode.
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I was hoping she would get shot the entire time.
She is also painfully unfunny. Not sure if it's bad writing or bad acting, but all of those attempts at making light of the situation came off badly.
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While I cringed everytime Tara made an attempt at humor, my wife cracked up each time with those quippy one-liners. I'm willing to bet the general audience is more like my wife than me, she's been enjoying all these episodes so far. I personally would just watch at the end of the season in one go but the wife wants company so shrug..
Did anyone else get a deja-vu of Lost with that opening scene?
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Aside from the opening episode this season has been a letdown. The shows rigid format of one storyline/perspective per episode is really failing. Mix up the stories in an episode, cut back from one place to another - this latest episode focused on Tara would have certainly benefitted if it was shared with some Daryl at the Sanctuary or some stuff from The Kingdom, or Alexandra. At the minute the tone and pacing is all off.
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Aside from the opening episode this season has been a letdown. The shows rigid format of one storyline/perspective per episode is really failing. Mix up the stories in an episode, cut back from one place to another - this latest episode focused on Tara would have certainly benefitted if it was shared with some Daryl at the Sanctuary or some stuff from The Kingdom, or Alexandra. At the minute the tone and pacing is all off.
Totally this. If ever there were a time to cover more than one storyline it was this episode. Tara is not that compelling of a character to carry an episode and the premise behind the episode wasn't interesting enough to carry it either. I've enjoyed every episode this season I her than this one. Just a complete waste of an episode.
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We're not the only one fed up with these single character storylines, Mike Portnoy tweeted as much
"Ugh...I can't stand these character dedicated @WalkingDead_AMC episodes!!
Waiting to get back to story lines is TORTURE!!! #NeedMyNeganFix"
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My thoughts on this episode..
Tara is a character who's been around for 2.5 seasons now and has done literally nothing except crack a joke every now and then and get a girlfriend. She was written out of most of season 6 because the actress was pregnant. I don't think they'll kill her off anytime soon since her girlfriend died not that long ago and I think they'd want to avoid any accusations of homophobia.
Heath is a great character from the comics, but his actor was injured during the filming for last season and thus he was written out of most of the season. Now his actor has several other projects going on, including a leading role in the new 24 series. I don't expect we'll see him ever again, which is a waste of what could have been a good character.
Neither of these characters is engaging enough to lead a whole episode. Especially since we haven't seen either of them since March. I'm sure some people forgot who they were.
What they're doing with this first half of the season is introducing all these other colonies that have been affected by the saviors so that when Rick inevitably rebels against Negan, he won't be alone and the combined forces of Alexandria, Hilltop, The Kingdom, and Oceanside will be a force to be reckoned with. This inevitable war will result in a lot of casualties from all parties involved, so they're trying to get us invested in characters from each colony so that we care when they die.
BUT, that doesn't mean every colony needs a bottle episode. The last 2 episodes could have easily been combined into 1 episode.
Ratings are the lowest they've been since S3. The showrunners have to be aware of that. Enough with the bottle episodes. We're 6 episodes into the season and the main character has only been in 2. That's ridiculous.
The title of next week's episode(Another 90 Minute episode) is "Sing Me a Song". So next week we will definitely get the Carl/Negan interaction from the comics. Which I'm definitely looking forward too.
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Yeah I realized a while back these would be all setup episodes leading to an eventual confrontation, it has to happen nothing else would make sense. Again not to repeat myself but the show's pacing and editing is almost always way off. The material itself is interesting but apart from the bottle episodes, they just don't seem to ever have the right combination to showcase an interesting story throughout. I personally loved how season 5 was carried out, Beth episodes and all. Sure some of the execution could've been done better but overall I really enjoyed the dynamics they created that season and was very excited for season six as well.
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Agree with you Metro that all they are doing is setting up and showing that there are other colonies that have been terrorized by Negan, and that once they unite they can be a dangerous force. The Hilltop has plenty of food, the Kingdom has plenty of people and now we see that Oceanside has a ton of weapons. But I think we all know and have said that these last couple shows could have been combined in a way to make the same point yet at least keep us interested. For as much as I like(d) Gimple....I'm starting to wonder if he may need to go to get someone in there who understands pacing better. I know he's trying to tell a story but jeez....an hour and ten minutes on a character that no one gives two :censored about?
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I think Gimple just isn't a particularly good story-teller, outside of the occasional awesome set-piece. Then again, I'm not convinced about Kirkman so it might be the source material. I haven't read the comics, but I know Kirkman has basically said that he knows how TWD will end but is in no rush to get there. It definitely feels like the show is just being dragged out with very similar stories repeating over and over, but it sounds like the comics are essentially the same at this point.
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I think Gimple just isn't a particularly good story-teller, outside of the occasional awesome set-piece. Then again, I'm not convinced about Kirkman so it might be the source material. I haven't read the comics, but I know Kirkman has basically said that he knows how TWD will end but is in no rush to get there. It definitely feels like the show is just being dragged out with very similar stories repeating over and over, but it sounds like the comics are essentially the same at this point.
Gimple has written some cool episodes....but I think his philosophy behind 'story telling' is more a massive over reaching arc....where at the end of the season it all 'comes together'. While I like things that are told like that....you can't be so tone deaf to realize that an entire hour dedicated to a character that no one gives a crap about just to introduce a new future alliance partner and show that there is a massive amount of weapons at that ally's place, is a bad idea. Again, the take away points from that episode could have been accomplished in 20 minutes tops. No one was begging for a Tara-centric episode. I'm a large defender of TWD and still enjoy the heck out of the show but I still can't get over what a waist of time that episode last night was.
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It's a shame because, in principle, the overall story-arc approach is completely my thing. He's just so damn slow about it, except in the premieres and finales of each half-season.
He's also, in my opinion, made some very questionable choices recently, but that's a different matter.
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It's a shame because, in principle, the overall story-arc approach is completely my thing. He's just so damn slow about it, except in the premieres and finales of each half-season.
He's also, in my opinion, made some very questionable choices recently, but that's a different matter.
I think he and Kirkman have entered the 'Emperor's New Clothes' era. There are probably a handful of AMC exec's that are loving it and telling them it's great because the casual fan is still really into the show and loves it all. But, the show is facing a death by a thousand small cuts due to 'little' things here and there that are seemingly catching up to them.
I still have high hopes for the arc they are working on....it's such a cool time in the comic with lots of neat things going on but they can't keep making these small 'mistakes' and expect to capture that comic greatness IMO
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I also think the primary reason for the slow as death buildup arc is the large number of episodes. Cut down the number of episodes you'll have tighter story telling.
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I also think the primary reason for the slow as death buildup arc is the large number of episodes. Cut down the number of episodes you'll have tighter story telling.
For sure. Either telling more story or trimming it down to, say, 10 episodes a season would make it much more engaging for me.
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I also think the primary reason for the slow as death buildup arc is the large number of episodes. Cut down the number of episodes you'll have tighter story telling.
For sure. Either telling more story or trimming it down to, say, 10 episodes a season would make it much more engaging for me.
Yep. Thats the AMC Brass milking this show for all it's worth.
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While I know these shows are unrelated but what I love about Game of Thrones is that every episode feels important.
With the walking dead I stopped watching it every week a few seasons back, it just drags sometimes.
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While I know these shows are unrelated but what I love about Game of Thrones is that every episode feels important.
With the walking dead I stopped watching it every week a few seasons back, it just drags sometimes.
GOT wastes no time at all. Every minute of that show has a purpose. Due to the 'short' episode seasons. TWD could greatly benefit by having a 10 or 12 episode season rather than 16.
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There's also the fact that there is an endgame in sight with GOT. The show runners went and met up with GRRM right around season 4 and got a synopsis of how things were going to end with each major character that was in the show. So the show is honing towards that goal and is almost there with 2 seasons left. Not sure what the plan is with TWD so there are seasonal arcs mostly though with Negan that might stretch to 2-3 seasons arcs.
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I don't follow the comics at all with the walking dead but isn't there an end to that show in sight?
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I don't follow the comics at all with the walking dead but isn't there an end to that show in sight?
Nope
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I don't follow the comics at all with the walking dead but isn't there an end to that show in sight?
Nope
And that's ultimately TWD's main weakness, for me. There's nothing objectively wrong with this approach, but after 5 or more seasons of a show, I generally want to feel either that there's some clear direction in what they're doing, or at least that there's plenty of variety. Whereas TWD has neither at the mo.
But (excluding the whole cliffhanger debacle which I still think was terrible), what TWD does really well is the big set pieces, so I imagine I'll keep sticking with it for those.
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I'm not so sure the amount of episodes per season is an issue, but I do think they need to pick up the pacing. Season 6 was a big problem, the entire season was buildup to Negan - and that was simply to much. Negan would have been better brought in at the mid season break (maybe with the same cliffhanger), then the second half of season 6 could have been used to see what we are seeing now in season 7 (introducing the various locations and how they interact with Negan...). Season 6 would have therefore ended with Rick readying the other camps and issuing a declaration of war at Negan. Season 7 would have been the war...
Basically speed up the story telling, there is loads and loads of source material still to use!
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I'm not so sure the amount of episodes per season is an issue, but I do think they need to pick up the pacing. Season 6 was a big problem, the entire season was buildup to Negan - and that was simply to much. Negan would have been better brought in at the mid season break (maybe with the same cliffhanger), then the second half of season 6 could have been used to see what we are seeing now in season 7 (introducing the various locations and how they interact with Negan...). Season 6 would have therefore ended with Rick readying the other camps and issuing a declaration of war at Negan. Season 7 would have been the war...
Basically speed up the story telling, there is loads and loads of source material still to use!
I still maintain it's AMC brass 'encouraging' the pacing in order to milk the cash cow while they can.
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I'm not so sure the amount of episodes per season is an issue, but I do think they need to pick up the pacing. Season 6 was a big problem, the entire season was buildup to Negan - and that was simply to much. Negan would have been better brought in at the mid season break (maybe with the same cliffhanger), then the second half of season 6 could have been used to see what we are seeing now in season 7 (introducing the various locations and how they interact with Negan...). Season 6 would have therefore ended with Rick readying the other camps and issuing a declaration of war at Negan. Season 7 would have been the war...
Basically speed up the story telling, there is loads and loads of source material still to use!
I still maintain it's AMC brass 'encouraging' the pacing in order to milk the cash cow while they can.
I was talking about this with a work friend at lunch today - there's different incentives for network, ad-funded TV stations than for subscription-based services like HBO, Amazon and Netflix, and this is probably one of the key areas that it manifests.
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I'm not so sure the amount of episodes per season is an issue, but I do think they need to pick up the pacing. Season 6 was a big problem, the entire season was buildup to Negan - and that was simply to much. Negan would have been better brought in at the mid season break (maybe with the same cliffhanger), then the second half of season 6 could have been used to see what we are seeing now in season 7 (introducing the various locations and how they interact with Negan...). Season 6 would have therefore ended with Rick readying the other camps and issuing a declaration of war at Negan. Season 7 would have been the war...
Basically speed up the story telling, there is loads and loads of source material still to use!
I still maintain it's AMC brass 'encouraging' the pacing in order to milk the cash cow while they can.
I was talking about this with a work friend at lunch today - there's different incentives for network, ad-funded TV stations than for subscription-based services like HBO, Amazon and Netflix, and this is probably one of the key areas that it manifests.
Absolutely. I can't imagine how much $$ those 'extra' six or so episodes that are more or less filler episod s withblittle narrative value (like the last one) brings AMC in advertisement money. It has to be multiple millions of dollars.
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I know I'm not wanted in this thread but I just read this article (https://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-lowest-ratings-since-2012/) and I just had to say somewhere that I find it absolutely fuckin ridiculous that this season is getting lower ratings. I found the last 3 seasons to be top notch TV and the current one is especially amazing. I never read the graphic novels and even I can easily tell they're building up to something big and that the familiarity they're giving us with each of the communities is very valuable but also fun to watch. This is the first season where I like every episode that has aired from 1 to 6, usually one or two of these would be a filler episode but none this time IMO.
I even liked this Tara episode even though I hate the character and the actress is a humongous new mom that needs bigger suspension of belief than that required to watch a zombie show to believe she's running, fighting and jumping that much.
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I know I'm not wanted in this thread
Huh? Why do you think that?
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A buddy of mine had never watched TWD but became intrigued when he saw my Halloween costume and heard all the hub bub about the first episode of season 7. so he started watching from the beginning on November 2nd, and is now caught up for Sunday's episode.
He has two kids, full time job and all the fixings of a "normal" life and just has been binging at the end of the night all last month. That's a lot of effort....he said he feels like he's part of the group :lol
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This show is best when binged I think. A couple years ago I caught up on seasons 1-3 in a few weeks and caught up right in time for the midseason finale where Hershel died.
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I agree. If I had the patience I'd just let the DVR fill up with each half of the season then binge them. I just don't have the patience to do that.
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Loved that episode. Total 180 from last week
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Very good episode. Was there any actual show content in the final 30 minute block though? I am pretty sure it was all ads...
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What a surprise, doing multiple story lines in one episode actually made it interesting. Who knew!
Snark aside, seeing the iron being used was cool as was the extent to Negan's HQ. Several good things in that episode and will be interesting to see what cliffhanger they leave us with next week.
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Snark aside, seeing the iron being used was cool as was the extent to Negan's HQ. Several good things in that episode and will be interesting to see what cliffhanger they leave us with next week.
If you're a comic reader....I'm thinking it's when Spencer tries to humiliate Rick and offer himself up to Negan as his go to guy and Negan guts him in front of everyone
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The last episode was really good. I love Negan. He's both scary and hilarious.
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The last episode was really good. I love Negan. He's both scary and hilarious.
JDM is doing a great job bringing him to life IMO. It's a tough character to nail because of how 'comicy' Negan is in the graphic novel. He says and does things that are left to the imagination of the reader, yet you can't do that in a show so you have to figure out how to convey the same message.
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Yeah I'm not finding Negan very scary at all really, but that's not JDM, it's the writing/production. Part of it, I think, is that we're presumably meant to find it intimidating because of how all-powerful he is. Rick is broken right now and sees no way out but to obey the Saviors, but we the viewer aren't. Since very early on in the season we've seen how Negan gets his power from bullying and intimidation, and while some of the Saviours, I'm sure, are happy, some clearly are not, and so it's only a matter of time before Negan loses his power. So as a result, he doesn't feel that scary, and it's just a case of waiting while they drag out the story some more.
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Yeah I'm not finding Negan very scary at all really, but that's not JDM, it's the writing/production. Part of it, I think, is that we're presumably meant to find it intimidating because of how all-powerful he is. Rick is broken right now and sees no way out but to obey the Saviors, but we the viewer aren't. Since very early on in the season we've seen how Negan gets his power from bullying and intimidation, and while some of the Saviours, I'm sure, are happy, some clearly are not, and so it's only a matter of time before Negan loses his power. So as a result, he doesn't feel that scary, and it's just a case of waiting while they drag out the story some more.
Negan feels like a caricature of a villain pure pantomine, just series of tics - Big smiles, leaning back, quips, rocking on his heels, pacing very slowly with his bat, and so forth. He's just not very relatable or interesting at the minute.
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Yeah I'm not finding Negan very scary at all really, but that's not JDM, it's the writing/production. Part of it, I think, is that we're presumably meant to find it intimidating because of how all-powerful he is. Rick is broken right now and sees no way out but to obey the Saviors, but we the viewer aren't. Since very early on in the season we've seen how Negan gets his power from bullying and intimidation, and while some of the Saviours, I'm sure, are happy, some clearly are not, and so it's only a matter of time before Negan loses his power. So as a result, he doesn't feel that scary, and it's just a case of waiting while they drag out the story some more.
Negan feels like a caricature of a villain pure pantomine, just series of tics - Big smiles, leaning back, quips, rocking on his heels, pacing very slowly with his bat, and so forth. He's just not very relatable or interesting at the minute.
I just don't see him as being 'that' bad to where it's unbelievable. I can understand some of the questions surrounding why any of the Saviours just don't take him out...I've stated why I can get past that....but Negan in particular....as revealed in the last episode....is playing a character in front of the rest of the Saviours. He's created a persona and lives up to it whilst in their midst. I think the Negan we saw when it was just him and Carl is who is really is. He's just like Ezekiel in the respect that he's found a persona that works and he's sticking to it.
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Another solid episode. Minus the Tara centric episode this season has been great IMO. Loved the Spencer gutting, I liked it in the comic but IMO the show version was done really well and topped the comic version.
Sneak peek of second half looks great.
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Probably the best episode since the opener. I'll have to watch again but I thought they were making it look like the guy from the Kingdom who talks to Carol and Morgan was the guy who's boot it was at the ammo fort that Rick and Aaron find.
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Probably the best episode since the opener. I'll have to watch again but I thought they were making it look like the guy from the Kingdom who talks to Carol and Morgan was the guy who's boot it was at the ammo fort that Rick and Aaron find.
Interesting. I didn't piece that together. I'll have to take a look at that also.
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I thought it was a pretty messy episode tbh. I don't know if it was editing, direction, or what, but it just seemed loose. It was nice to have some plot development, and the Spencer scenes were pretty good, but nothing even came of the threat to Judith, scenes seemed rammed together, and it's been so long since we saw the Kingdom that the one guy's motives for attacking are pretty faded by now. Also I thought the care bear moment at the end fell very short because, yes, aww evwybody's back together etc, but they're outnumbered like 200-15, and probably have 100 on their side at best with the Kingdom. It just seems foolish and naive at this point, and it seems like they've learned nothing.
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Ehh. You're certainty entitled to your opinion of the show, but this is a show about zombies based off a comic book. Not a dramatic adaptation of a Shakespear play. Sure, there are things that can be tightened up in the show but all in all for what this show is it's been perfectly fine for me. It's shaping up to have the obligatory 2 or 3 'filler' episodes (Tara centric was 1) and the rest are telling the story.
I think they've handled Negan perfectly, were able to take Rick to a sort of neutered state where he was wounded for a bit but now he's ready to go and have done enough to show that there are communities that if they banded together could stand up to the Saviours.
Again, as with most things....whether or not you enjoy this show depends on your expectations from it. I'm not expecting Oscar quality acting or Tom Clancy type storytelling. I just want to watch a show about zombies with cool effects and some interesting characters. For me, I'm getting that.
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Probably the best episode since the opener. I'll have to watch again but I thought they were making it look like the guy from the Kingdom who talks to Carol and Morgan was the guy who's boot it was at the ammo fort that Rick and Aaron find.
Interesting. I didn't piece that together. I'll have to take a look at that also.
On rewatching, it doesn't look that way. I sorta assumed it was because of the sign that says campers to stay out hence me making the jump to conclude it was the Kingdom dude.
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Ehh. You're certainty entitled to your opinion of the show, but this is a show about zombies based off a comic book. Not a dramatic adaptation of a Shakespear play. Sure, there are things that can be tightened up in the show but all in all for what this show is it's been perfectly fine for me. It's shaping up to have the obligatory 2 or 3 'filler' episodes (Tara centric was 1) and the rest are telling the story.
I think they've handled Negan perfectly, were able to take Rick to a sort of neutered state where he was wounded for a bit but now he's ready to go and have done enough to show that there are communities that if they banded together could stand up to the Saviours.
Again, as with most things....whether or not you enjoy this show depends on your expectations from it. I'm not expecting Oscar quality acting or Tom Clancy type storytelling. I just want to watch a show about zombies with cool effects and some interesting characters. For me, I'm getting that.
I think it was generally a good episode, I just think things could've been tightened up a bit.
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Probably the best episode since the opener. I'll have to watch again but I thought they were making it look like the guy from the Kingdom who talks to Carol and Morgan was the guy who's boot it was at the ammo fort that Rick and Aaron find.
Interesting. I didn't piece that together. I'll have to take a look at that also.
On rewatching, it doesn't look that way. I sorta assumed it was because of the sign that says campers to stay out hence me making the jump to conclude it was the Kingdom dude.
Perhaps it's one of the chics from Oceanside scouting out Alexandria?
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Ehh. You're certainty entitled to your opinion of the show, but this is a show about zombies based off a comic book. Not a dramatic adaptation of a Shakespear play. Sure, there are things that can be tightened up in the show but all in all for what this show is it's been perfectly fine for me. It's shaping up to have the obligatory 2 or 3 'filler' episodes (Tara centric was 1) and the rest are telling the story.
I think they've handled Negan perfectly, were able to take Rick to a sort of neutered state where he was wounded for a bit but now he's ready to go and have done enough to show that there are communities that if they banded together could stand up to the Saviours.
Again, as with most things....whether or not you enjoy this show depends on your expectations from it. I'm not expecting Oscar quality acting or Tom Clancy type storytelling. I just want to watch a show about zombies with cool effects and some interesting characters. For me, I'm getting that.
I think it was generally a good episode, I just think things could've been tightened up a bit.
I'm right there with you about the overall storytelling needing improvement. I've just come to grips with the fact that up to this point AMC has had no reason to address it due to their ratings. Even with the ratings hit they've taken this season they are still pulling in massive numbers. I just have resolved myself to the fact that we're probably looking at how the show is going to be, I don't see any drastic style or storytelling changes coming....and all in all, that's fine with me personally. I still enjoy the heck out of the show.
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So since I avoided starting to watch season 7 because the ending of s06 made me lose interested and the whole Negan reveal felt meh imo. I thought it would be fun hearing what's you're opinion at this point. Is S7 worth it and is Negan a better character than my first impression off him?
If you can try to avoid any major spoilers I would be grateful.
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Other than one episode (a character centric one) overall I enjoyed the first half. Negan is certainly a character that you either love or hate but all in all i think the show has done a fine job introducing him. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is doing a good job portraying him as well, it's near impossible to depict him exactly like the comic being that the comic has the luxury of more freedom in dialogue and does a great job of allowing the reader to 'fill in the blanks' concerning the how/what/why's of Negan and the Saviours. The television side is delving more into the details on that aspect and it seems to be dividing people.
As I've said several times in TWD conversation here.....it's all about expectations and what you're expecting from the show. I treat it as a zombie show and try not to get to in the weeds over small details which allows me to enjoy it more than some.
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Think you'll get a different answer from everyone, MrBoom. :lol
For me, season 7 is ok so far, but a bit meh. And Negan is not a character I particularly engage with. JDM's acting is solid, lots of charisma, but the character is just a bit of a generic bully.
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On a different note I find myself fairly indifferent to the return of this show in 2 weeks
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Think you'll get a different answer from everyone, MrBoom. :lol
For me, season 7 is ok so far, but a bit meh. And Negan is not a character I particularly engage with. JDM's acting is solid, lots of charisma, but the character is just a bit of a generic bully.
Can't say you guys conviced me very much. :lol
Yea I probably will pick it up soon though, i'm still interested in some character arcs and how they eventually will wrap up the show.
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Think you'll get a different answer from everyone, MrBoom. :lol
For me, season 7 is ok so far, but a bit meh. And Negan is not a character I particularly engage with. JDM's acting is solid, lots of charisma, but the character is just a bit of a generic bully.
Can't say you guys conviced me very much. :lol
Yea I probably will pick it up soon though, i'm still interested in some character arcs and how they eventually will wrap up the show.
If anything this season will be a good one to binge. Knock it out in a week or so....its getting tough having to watch these 'normal' shows after binging so many others on Netflix.
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Just popping in to say that I thought the last two episodes prior to the break improved my opinion of this season. I even got on board (a bit) with Negan being scary as apposed to cartoonish. My interest is high enough to give it a chance when this season resumes.
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Just popping in to say that I thought the last two episodes prior to the break improved my opinion of this season. I even got on board (a bit) with Negan being scary as apposed to cartoonish. My interest is high enough to give it a chance when this season resumes.
Those were solid episodes. Other than the Tara-Centric episode.....I thought the first half was really good.
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Tastes, who knew?
I actually liked the Tara episode. :lol
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Tastes, who knew?
I actually liked the Tara episode. :lol
Ha ha. My issue with that episode was that they could have accomplished the main points of that episode in two commercial breaks. Would have preferred it not to have been character centric. But whatever.....
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On a different note I find myself fairly indifferent to the return of this show in 2 weeks
I'm feeling the same, but that's because I have binged the first 4 and a half seasons of Game of Thrones over the past four weeks. The production values on GOT and the high-caliber actors on that show have spoiled me silly, as much as I love Walking Dead.
I've enjoyed Walking Dead season 7, but I'm also very patient. I've read the comics. I know that they're doing a bunch of world building. "Here's a handful of different communities, and oh-by-the-way, they've all been affected by the Saviors." If you have that many communities over a significant distance from each other, it shows that The Saviors are such a large group that Alexandria can't handle on their own. It solidifies Rick's belief that they don't have the numbers in Alexandria to try and fight the Saviors, which is why he's let them run rampant over Alexandria to this point.
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Second half of season starting tonight. I'm cautiously optimistic....
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Not a bad episode actually, decent enough setup which I get the feeling is going to lead to a series of more setups which will eventually end the season with a hint of impending war coming as the season finale cliffhanger without any real fight.
;D sorry couldn't help myself...
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I'm curious as to who the leader of the junk yard gang is that has Rick smiling. It'd be someone he knew....of whom we should know?
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I think it's the still-reanimated head of Hershel, just sittin' there bouncing around...
My interest in this show is at an all-time low right now. The advertising for this part of the season has conveyed the message it's going to be a big filibuster of getting other groups to join them in their Holy Fight versus the Saviors without anything of note actually happening. They're obviously going to be saving the real conflict for next season. Last night's episode was devoid of any substantial plot movement. Gregory said no (expected), we had a 5 minute segment for the visual effects people to work off their boredom but that had no real impact on storyline, and then they finally at the end meet a new group which I expect will involve Gabriel.
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I think it's the still-reanimated head of Hershel, just sittin' there bouncing around...
My interest in this show is at an all-time low right now. The advertising for this part of the season has conveyed the message it's going to be a big filibuster of getting other groups to join them in their Holy Fight versus the Saviors without anything of note actually happening. They're obviously going to be saving the real conflict for next season. Last night's episode was devoid of any substantial plot movement. Gregory said no (expected), we had a 5 minute segment for the visual effects people to work off their boredom but that had no real impact on storyline, and then they finally at the end meet a new group which I expect will involve Gabriel.
Well to be fair the 'All Out War' storyline in the comic did span quite a bit of time, I'd actually be disappointed if they wrap it up all nice and neat by the end of this season. It was a pretty time consuming and larger 'war' in the comic.
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I agree, but I have absolutely no expectation that they're even going to get into any aspect of it this season. This season is just going to be about gathering forces, and some contrived conflicts along the way when doing so, to prolong the initiation of the war to next season. They could easily start the All Out War in like ep 15 or 16 and get you invested enough in its buildup to come back for next year but nothing suggests to me that they will do anything other than make us wait until next year to begin at all.
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My interest in this show is at an all-time low right now.
That's where I'm at, and this was my favorite show on TV for the past handful of years. I've binged all six seasons of Game of Thrones over the past few weeks, so it's hard to come back and watch this right now. I'll keep plugging away and watching, but I'm not expecting to be terribly impressed, though I did enjoy last night's sequence on the highway. That was pretty damn intense.
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I'm curious as to who the leader of the junk yard gang is that has Rick smiling. It'd be someone he knew....of whom we should know?
He's not smiling because it's someone he knows. He's smiling because he thinks he's found his army to go against Negan. I don't see it going that way though. They keep showing communities under the control of Negan that will soon rise up and fight back, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's one group that sides with the Saviors in the upcoming war. I think that's what this new group will be.
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I'm curious as to who the leader of the junk yard gang is that has Rick smiling. It'd be someone he knew....of whom we should know?
He's not smiling because it's someone he knows. He's smiling because he thinks he's found his army to go against Negan. I don't see it going that way though. They keep showing communities under the control of Negan that will soon rise up and fight back, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's one group that sides with the Saviors in the upcoming war. I think that's what this new group will be.
That was my theory on the smile too. Rick is looking at fighters and numbers to recruit.
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Good episode overall, but it got a little cheesy at times.
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I agree, but I have absolutely no expectation that they're even going to get into any aspect of it this season. This season is just going to be about gathering forces, and some contrived conflicts along the way when doing so, to prolong the initiation of the war to next season. They could easily start the All Out War in like ep 15 or 16 and get you invested enough in its buildup to come back for next year but nothing suggests to me that they will do anything other than make us wait until next year to begin at all.
Pretty much agreed. This episode was decent as, like with most of the premieres and finales, there was more plot progression. But I'm fully expecting the pace to slow to a crawl again for the rest of the season.
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I felt really annoyed when King Ezekiel turned down the offer to join forces, not for any reason other than - Oh God they are going to drag this shite out.
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I felt really annoyed when King Ezekiel turned down the offer to join forces, not for any reason other than - Oh God they are going to drag this shite out.
Yep, same here. :lol
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I felt really annoyed when King Ezekiel turned down the offer to join forces, not for any reason other than - Oh God they are going to drag this shite out.
Yep, same here. :lol
Well in all fairness, it gave us the Rick line to Daryl. "You could talk to him...or stare him into submission, whatever it takes." :lol
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That reminds me... one thing I did quite like about this episode was that it was a bit more fun. For me, TWD just isn't deep enough to pull off being as slow and super-serious as it mostly was in 7a.
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the music felt different in this episode for some reason. I thought it complemented the scenes well and it seemed to stand out in a positive way whereas in the past I haven't even given the score a second thought.
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it wouldn't surprise me if there's one group that sides with the Saviors in the upcoming war. I think that's what this new group will be.
Basically this. They're gonna realize it'd be easier to join with the Saviors and get the bigger share rather than Rick and get a smaller portion. They don't exist in the comic though, so who knows.
The new group is so damn cheesy. Broken English, Gladiator fights, and even their names. The fuck kinda name is Jadis?
This part of the story comes from Vol. 19: March to War, and god damn they are going to stretch it out. The season will no doubt end with the declaration of war from both sides and maybe 1 battle, but the war itself will be most if not all of S8.
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The season will no doubt end with the declaration of war from both sides and maybe 1 battle, but the war itself will be most if not all of S8.
Which I'm perfectly fine with. I'd rather see them spend time on the 'All Out War' arc than try to cram it into the next six episodes.
Not sure what to think of the new group.
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I liked that episode a lot. Really enjoyed how they've done such a good job at blurring whether or not Eugene is just playing a role and a game like Carol to survive with Negan or if in fact he's just said F it and he enjoys the spoils of being on the 'winning' team and is going full Savior.
I think he's just playing Negan but who knows?
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Hello... is this thing still on??
Anyways, the four episodes after the break have been quite good I must say. I like the pacing a lot more, we know they're brewing towards the eventual war, so they've done a decent job of building up the story around it. While not making it completely single story the episodes have been sort of moving along and have been keeping me interested.
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Hello... is this thing still on??
Anyways, the four episodes after the break have been quite good I must say. I like the pacing a lot more, we know they're brewing towards the eventual war, so they've done a decent job of building up the story around it. While not making it completely single story the episodes have been sort of moving along and have been keeping me interested.
I've dug the whole season. It's all packed together pretty well actually, especially since it's clear they aren't going to get to the actual 'war' this season....they're laying the groundwork for it all to go down next season which is fine by me.
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Other than the Eugene episode, since it returned from break, I've found the show' to be excruciatingly boring. Each episode's concentration on one or two characters makes it feel like nothing has happened other than the time suck of 4 hours of my life.
Like everyone has been saying, it feels like they're building up to next season's big battle. But, if they drag this season on too much longer, nobody's gonna care because everyone will have bailed.
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nobody's gonna care because everyone will have bailed.
Maybe everyone in this forum but not 'everyone'. This show still KILLS every other cable show by margins that are not even close. There is a small segment of fans that are 'bored' or whatever....but all in all....I doubt TWD is going to miss that segment of folks who decide to bail.
I get the frustration that some people have....I've said it before here and in other threads about movies/shows. It comes down to your expectations of what you're wanting out of a show. I want to watch a post apocalyptic zombie show....and feel that's what I'm getting.
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I haven't been posting here, mostly because I don't have anything to say, but I'm still enjoying every episode. I like the character focus...what's up with Duane?
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Apparently last sunday's episode was the lowest rated TWD episode since season 2. Even having said that I think the ratings are what other networks dream of.
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https://youtu.be/KPxTVJWkbX4?t=26
I guess they blew their CGI budget on the tiger, but holy wow does that look horrible.
This has been a very uneven season. When it's good it's good but when it's bad it's really bad. There's not much in between.
I'm starting to agree with people who say they need to shorten the seasons. 10 episodes would be enough. I don't get Gimple's obsession with bottle episodes. The last 2 episodes could have easily been combined into 1. The mid-season premiere was a perfect example of multiple storylines progressing in the same episode. Why do we have episode after episode with only a small handful of characters that barely progresses the plot? Unacceptable.
I've been excited for the upcoming arc for years now, but my faith in the show is at an all time low. There's not a doubt in my mind that they won't fuck it up somehow. I'm gonna watch this show to the end, but I would rather it end after the upcoming arc even though I know they won't.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/eprate?ref_=tt_eps_rhs_sm
According to IMDb the lowest rated episode is the Tara episode from earlier in the season. And of the 10 lowest-rated episodes, 5 are from this current season. That's a little embarrassing, but accurate.
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I guess they blew their CGI budget on the tiger, but holy wow does that look horrible.
the thing about it is that there are probably literally thousands of 'tame' deer out there that they could have used for a shot like that. Also, I deer hunt....and there's no F'n way that deer would have came anywhere near that place given the amount of movement from the walkers....or even still be standing there as Rick clamors up the ferriss wheel.
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That is hilarious.
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This show needs to stop trying to put deer in episodes. Every time they do it's cringeworthy. This episode, the time that Carol basically walked directly up to one back in season 4 or whatever and it didn't run away. Simply unbelievable.
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I feel at the minute I'm only really watching this show because I've invested so much time into it, I'm not at the point yet where I'd say i'm not like it, but my enjoyment in the show is probably at an all time low though.
Also those Junkyard people are annoying, with there way of wording things and cultist mannerisms they are acting like a civilization that grew up fully in the post zombie world. I know this show has a few odd ball characters and leaders, but generally the populous seems pretty normal - but these arseholes seem to have gone full Thunderdome in a matter of a couple of years (or however long has supposed to passed in the show).
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Omg that deer was so ridiculously awful. Like, actually the worst effects the show has ever had. Given what a cash cow the show is, how could they have found that acceptable?
The episode was a little dull, but after some pretty good episodes around the mid-season finale/premiere, I figured not much would happen until the end of the season. They've got into a formula.
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Which is why I think after this season is done I'm going to only watch at the end of the next season, who knows depending on how these last few episodes go I might just not watch at all afterwards.
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I haven't watched anything of the show since Negan was introduced and I think I'll try and keep it that way for quite some time. It should say enough that I don't want to make time to watch the show, but maybe it'll be a good boredom killer one day. But yeah...that deer...truthfully, a mediocre student of graphics design could do ten fold better. That legitimately looks like it's from one of those cheap hunting games that came out on the Gamecube years ago and they were like "Yo this looks tight, throw that shit in there!". That wasn't even just painful, that's embarrassing.
The comics are still fucking CHOICE though. Really great arc. It's just such a shame that people come and go so much from TV. It says something that a lot of the best shows out there have the same writers, the same (or more or less the same cycling through) directors, etc. etc. Switching out people like clockwork is bound to screw shit up in some way.
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That was the best episode they've had in quite some time IMO.
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That was the best episode they've had in quite some time IMO.
No coincidence that Gimple wrote it. He should retire as show runner and just write every episode.
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What I liked was how Morgan was able to use that moment he killed Richard to satisfy not only the 'goal' that Richard had all along, but he also was able to exact some revenge for Benjamin's death.
Yes he lost control a bit but it was a long time coming I think as although he has this idea of how he'd 'like' things to be....he knows and has been fighting the fact that killing is indeed necessary.
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That little slip up when he said his son's name was... disturbing.
I know a lot of you don't really like the way they've been presenting this season, but I think it's been damned good. The character studies are what keeps me coming back, not the CGI, not the action, not the horror. This episode was a terrific example. Good progress was made on every character presented, even those who died.
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That little slip up when he said his son's name was... disturbing.
I know a lot of you don't really like the way they've been presenting this season, but I think it's been damned good. The character studies are what keeps me coming back, not the CGI, not the action, not the horror. This episode was a terrific example. Good progress was made on every character presented, even those who died.
Yeah...that was really well done by Lenny Bruce, conveying his state of mind.
I've been perfectly satisfied with this season....save one episode......and am really curious as to how they're going to set up episode 1 of next season.
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Yeah...that was really well done by Lenny Bruce, conveying his state of mind.
heh
(https://i.imgur.com/jfsmmFO.png)
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Yeah...that was really well done by Lenny Bruce, conveying his state of mind.
heh
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:lol Oh wait....is it Lenny James then? Lenny 'some really good English actor'.... :loser:
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That little slip up when he said his son's name was... disturbing.
I know a lot of you don't really like the way they've been presenting this season, but I think it's been damned good. The character studies are what keeps me coming back, not the CGI, not the action, not the horror. This episode was a terrific example. Good progress was made on every character presented, even those who died.
Awesome episode. I'm also generally enjoying this season and accepted early on that the show is doing some world-building before going full-scale war against Negan. There's been a few slower episodes here and there, but it's par for the course.
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I think the show wanted us to believe that was Daryl lurking in the dark at the end of the episode, but I'm pretty sure it's Dwight. Especially after re-watching that few seconds over and over....it's definitely Dwights long hair and shoulder defined in that silhouette.
Leads me to wonder if it'll be Sasha or Rosita or both that Negan 'gives' back to Alexandria as a Walker like he did in the comics.
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I think the show wanted us to believe that was Daryl lurking in the dark at the end of the episode, but I'm pretty sure it's Dwight. Especially after re-watching that few seconds over and over....it's definitely Dwights long hair and shoulder defined in that silhouette.
Leads me to wonder if it'll be Sasha or Rosita or both that Negan 'gives' back to Alexandria as a Walker like he did in the comics.
It's definitely Dwight. Why would they hide it if it was Daryl? He's gonna turn on Negan and be a double agent.
Sasha will die this season. She will get Holly's death from the comics. In the comics, Negan captures Holly mistaking her for Andrea. In the show, Negan will mistake Sasha for Michonne and bring her back to Alexandria as a walker. Sonequa Martin-Green got cast as a lead in the new Star Trek show, so I believe she's on her way out.
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I think the show wanted us to believe that was Daryl lurking in the dark at the end of the episode, but I'm pretty sure it's Dwight. Especially after re-watching that few seconds over and over....it's definitely Dwights long hair and shoulder defined in that silhouette.
Leads me to wonder if it'll be Sasha or Rosita or both that Negan 'gives' back to Alexandria as a Walker like he did in the comics.
It's definitely Dwight. Why would they hide it if it was Daryl? He's gonna turn on Negan and be a double agent.
Sasha will die this season. She will get Holly's death from the comics. In the comics, Negan captures Holly mistaking her for Andrea. In the show, Negan will mistake Sasha for Michonne and bring her back to Alexandria as a walker. Sonequa Martin-Green got cast as a lead in the new Star Trek show, so I believe she's on her way out.
Yeah...they've been asking that question all season...."Who will betray and switch sides, trying to make it seem like only a Rick 'team member' is the one switching. Dwight turning on Negan is no surprise to the comic readers....and it's a good time to start that process. I heard the same about Sonequa Martin-Green so it'd only make sense for her turn to be killed to be here. Gotta thin the herd in the cast for all these characters anyway.
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That's going to be a really cool development if so. It's been long enough since I've read the comics (over a year now) that I'd forgotten most of that, so that sounds pretty exciting to me.
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I can't tell if Gimple's tone is serious in this article but if turns out to be true then I can't see myself tuned in for long.
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/walking-dead-live-20-years-producer-article-1.3008428 (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/walking-dead-live-20-years-producer-article-1.3008428)
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link goes to something else
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Should work now. Pasting from mobile sucks.
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I can't tell if Gimple's tone is serious in this article but if turns out to be true then I can't see myself tuned in for long.
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/walking-dead-live-20-years-producer-article-1.3008428 (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/walking-dead-live-20-years-producer-article-1.3008428)
Mehhhhhhhh.
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I can't tell if Gimple's tone is serious in this article but if turns out to be true then I can't see myself tuned in for long.
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/walking-dead-live-20-years-producer-article-1.3008428 (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/walking-dead-live-20-years-producer-article-1.3008428)
plz no
10 Seasons max. I'd like to see them end the show with the current arc from the comics.
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Not great to have conflicting reports from actors, showrunners, other ramblings down the grape vine.
But I have absolutely zero doubt they'll try to squeeze every last microscopic drop out of this shit. No doubt. It's just if it is possible or not, that's the only real question. It's funny hearing so many people get so angry over this show and say things like "I'm done" only to clearly not be come the weeks after. But here I am...haven't watched an episode in months and months.
Truly...the opposite of love is indifference, not hate. :lol I'll catch up at some point, but if shit like the aforementioned article comes true then it might be a lot longer before I watch it considering a lot of that is probably going to be really horrible television. Can you imagine..."New Rick Grimes cast as Andrew Lincoln exists show". :| Not too sure I trust anything Nicotero says. I have no base though so...
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BEACH BALL SIZED LADY-NUTS! :rollin It already has a hashtag on twitter!
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Negan's comment to Sasha last night about a 'little birdie' telling him Rick and Co. are up to something confirms my suspicions that the Junk Yard Group are actually lackies of Negan...or will at least be fighting with him. Have had a hunch about that for some time and IMO that sealed the deal on it.
Eugene couldn't have told him because he doesn't know what's going on, Sasha didn't....there's no one else left. If there were an Alexandrianite or Kingdom resident who was a spy they'd at least have given a tiny bit of screen time to some sort of indication of that.
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You're probably right about the junkyard group.
I enjoyed this episode. It's got me pretty stoked for next week.
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Truly...the opposite of love is indifference, not hate.
The longer I live, the truer this statement becomes.
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You're probably right about the junkyard group.
I enjoyed this episode. It's got me pretty stoked for next week.
I'm pretty excited to see next weeks episode as well. So many things could happen. I'm more curious to see how close to the comic they play it. I'd be totally fine with note for note but I'm sure there will be a change of tune here and there.
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Just done a catch up 3 episodes back-to-back.
I'm left just thinking how much better a villain Simon is over Negan.
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All in all it was an alright finale. Can't really top the one from last season as far as generating a buzz. I could have done without the Sasha/Abraham flashbacks, I think we all understood 'why' she was going to kill herself...didn't need anymore clarification on that IMO, but it was a good try on her part to get Negan.
I liked that Carl was the one that wasted no time to start firing once that distraction hit....although the fact that they keep having him shoot and aim with his right eye that no longer exists bug the living crap out of me. Small detail but it's an easy one to fix to make it more authentic.
I literally laughed out loud at two of Negan's lines....."They got a Fuc%king Tiger".....and the "There's the widow, alive and well...guns a blazin'" I thought JDM delivered those lines in perfect comic book Negan fashion.
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I thought the season finished pretty strong after meandering through the first half. Still absolutely love JDM as Negan, he's so much fun to watch.
Apparently the Sasha-bomb may have been changed a bit from the comic, since Fear the Walking Dead did the same exact trick, unknowingly (placing a bag over a walker's head and pretending to return a hostage). I don't mind the change-ups, and it was nice to actually cheer for a walker for a change.
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I too liked the episode but I'm switching to binging the show at the end of the season next season onwards. There's really no need for me to be watching this week to week anymore. I know they'll stretch out the Negan arc for like 3-4 seasons seeing how they want to do 20 years more of this shit.
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Also with what's with the garbage people talking like 3 year olds. I'd understand if it's 30 years in the future and their leader just looks like a cheaper version of Milla Jovovich.
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Also with what's with the garbage people talking like 3 year olds. I'd understand if it's 30 years in the future and their leader just looks like a cheaper version of Milla Jovovich.
They might not be American so their broken English may be the result. Helen, Georgia has a German town. Been there, really cool. Anyway, yeah, she's a Discount Milla Jovovich.
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I thought the season finished pretty strong after meandering through the first half. Still absolutely love JDM as Negan, he's so much fun to watch.
Apparently the Sasha-bomb may have been changed a bit from the comic, since Fear the Walking Dead did the same exact trick, unknowingly (placing a bag over a walker's head and pretending to return a hostage). I don't mind the change-ups, and it was nice to actually cheer for a walker for a change.
I enjoyed the season minus the two or three filler episodes. I'd love to see the seasons shortened to 10 or 12 episodes so that the filler ones would just vanish and the content of the remaining would be more in depth. But all in all I think this season was good, especially when viewed as a whole.
As far as the Sasha bomb, as I said earlier I don't think there was anyone who paid one bit of attention that didn't know that was going to happen and there was no need for the Abraham flashbacks there. Anyway...
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As far as the Sasha bomb, as I said earlier I don't think there was anyone who paid one bit of attention that didn't know that was going to happen and there was no need for the Abraham flashbacks there. Anyway...
I liked the Abraham flashbacks - Nicotero had some things to say about it in the following interview, which I agree with. Abraham and Glenn were taken from us (and the show) in Episode 1. To have the finale pay tribute to them is a very cool idea.
https://ew.com/tv/2017/04/03/walking-dead-season-finale-director-greg-nicotero/
As for the flashback, as he mentioned in the interview, it gives Sasha purpose. She was being selfish and trying to keep Abraham from going with on the fateful trip to Hilltop. He ends up being killed due to his belief in helping her, since the baby represents the future of this world. So she finishes his mission - help and protect Maggie, even if it means trying to go after Negan alone, and killing herself to try and make it happen.
I loved the scenes that go back to them watching the sunrise and ending the episode on Glenn's watch. Very touching.
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I too enjoyed the flashbacks, it definitely gave Sasha more depth and purpose. My only gripe with the whole finale was the way the gunfight was edited/executed. It sometimes looked like an Austin Powers shootup with everyone standing in front of each other and missing everyone.
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My only gripe with the whole finale was the way the gunfight was edited/executed. It sometimes looked like an Austin Powers shootup with everyone standing in front of each other and missing everyone.
this. It seemed like they were choreographed and filmed as if they were fighting walkers instead of humans with guns. Just standing out in the open, running towards enemy combatants with no cover while seemingly raising their guns at the last moment to fire.
One time it looked like Tara was getting shot up, and the edit made it look like Rosita was the one doing the shooting! :lol
There was also a weird moment at the end of the fight where Maggie was crouching around a car and turned the corner of the car as if she were ambushing someone. But she came face to face with people on her side (Daryl was one of them I think?). But they were coming from the same direction she was initially coming from and there wasn't a lot in the way that would have blocked her from seeing who they were. It just seemed off.
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I thought it was a decent episode overall, but is anyone else getting tired of the fake-out deaths? It feels like every other episode they're trying to fake the viewer out making it seem like someone was killed when they obviously weren't. They're abusing it to the point that I roll my eyes when it happens now. I'm also having a hard time taking the show seriously whenever the tiger is in it, but I'll still be back for next season :lol
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The finale was OK, better than most of this season.
They fell for the 'things don't exist till they are on camera' trap with the Shiva Tiger rescue. The junkyard people remain utterly awful, they are like elves.
At least Simon survived, by far the best new character - and way better than Negan.
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Among the chaos, a prowling tiger might be able to sneak up out of nowhere, but the tiger itself is farfetched to begin with so I just roll with it.
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Behind the scenes of the tiger attack :lol
https://twitter.com/chandlerriggs/status/848880489716998144