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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Accelerando on May 03, 2016, 01:46:46 AM
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Well, we have a MCU and a DCEU thread, might as well start one about the original cinematic team up film franchise.
As far as Marvel comics go, I didn't get into Captain America or Iron Man. It was always X-Men and Spider-Man. So least to say I was more than ecstatic way back when in middle school when the first X-Men movie came out. Seeing Wolverine and Cyclops on the big screen for the first time was just amazing. Then came X2: X-Men United, and which was and still one of the best superhero movies of all time.
This franchise has it's ups and downs, but none more glaring of a flaw than its continuity. I'm pretty sure it was the base for the MCU on what not to do with the continuity of their films. 2014's X-Men: Days of Future Past virtually erased the events of X-Men, United, and Last Stand, and now moving forward with Apocalypse as a sort reboot but not really a reboot. Unfortunately, Days of Future Past is probably the last time we're going see the original cast all together in one film. The third Wolverine spin-off will also be Hugh Jackman's last film we see him as Wolverine. Jackman's Wolverine is like Reeve's Superman. He defined the role, and it's going to be tough to replace him.
So far, I rank all the films as follows
1) X2: X-Men United
2) X-Men: Days of Future Past
3) X-Men: First Class
4) The Wolverine
5) X-Men
6) X-Men: The Last Stand
7) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
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Love the X-Men!
1. Days of Future Past
2. X2
3. First Class
4. X-Men
5. Wolverine
6. X-Men: Last Stand
7. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
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I think most people will probably agree on which films are the bottom two.
That being said, although I have liked the X-Men films to varying degrees, I'm not in love with any of them. I would rather watch any MCU film and any Spider-Man film (or Blade film) than any of the X-Men films.
Fantastic Four? Get that shit out of here.
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Hmmm, I'll just exclude Last Stand and Origins for obvious reasons.
1. Days of Future Past
2. Deadpool
3. X-Men
4. X-2
5. Wolverine
6. First class
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Honestly, these all just kind of blur together in my mind as a big jumbled mess. The only ones that kind of stand out as being different (and not necessarily in a good way) are the one where they were young and meeting for the first time (that was First Class, right?) and the Wolverine one that was pretty good up until they made Wade turn into some invincible teleporting mutation.
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I've never really been a fan of the X-Men. I feel pretty much the same about them as bosk does, except I know them all well enough to rank them.
01 - X-Men: Days of Future Past
02 - X2: X-Men United
03 - X-Men: First Class
04 - X-Men: The Last Stand (never had as much against this one as everyone else seems to)
05 - The Wolverine
06 - X-Men
07 - X-Men Origins: Wolverine
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I really loved the comics when I was younger. Like Accelerando, the various mutant story-lines (X-Men, X-Factor, New Mutants, etc.) and various Spider Man comics were my go-to books that I followed relentlessly. I followed other titles from time to time, but those were my main books that were automatic buys. So that said, the movies really disappointed me. The first few, at least, weren't bad. But they just didn't live up to expectations.
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I think the problem with the movies is how they handled they characters (most of them anyway).
They all seem to really get Professor X and Magneto, and to a lesser extent, Wolverine, but that was kind of it.
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Colossus
Rogue
Ice Man
Pyro
Sabertooth
Mystique (especially the new one)
etc etc
were all handled awfully. They generally just take the name/appearance and sometimes powers of the mutant and just make up the rest. These characters were popular for a reason, and when you completely re-write them, you're undermining that.
It's also the reason I'm really not pumped for Apocalypse. They look like they totally got everyone wrong again. I could be wrong and I'm open to being wrong, but the trailers didn't get me excited. Mystique is leading the x-men? Storm is a horseman? Angel is a punk teen cage fighter? Meh.
Just do the characters justice. It's honestly not terribly hard. They're great characters.
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Yeah, I largely agree with that. But I did like how they handled Sabertooth, at least in the Wolverine film; I can't remember whether he showed up elsewhere. Actually, the more I think about that Wolverine movie, the more I remember really liking it up until they did the thing you just mentioned and got really goofy with Wade's character.
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Yeah, I largely agree with that. But I did like how they handled Sabertooth, at least in the Wolverine film; I can't remember whether he showed up elsewhere. Actually, the more I think about that Wolverine movie, the more I remember really liking it up until they did the thing you just mentioned and got really goofy with Wade's character.
As much as I still hate that damn movie, I will agree with Liev played a very cool Sabertooth. My original post was referring more to his role in the first X-Men movie where he was just a random henchmen for Magneto with no lines (at least none that I can remember). If they ever decided to bring back Liev in the next Wolverine movie (which I think should have at least a cameo by Deadpool) then I am all for that.
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They generally just take the name/appearance and sometimes powers of the mutant and just make up the rest. These characters were popular for a reason, and when you completely re-write them, you're undermining that.
Just do the characters justice. It's honestly not terribly hard. They're great characters.
You just summed up Fox's approach to superhero films. Exactly why I don't care for them. They apparently don't care very much about the actual characters involved. They just care about the bang-zoom!
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I've enjoyed the last 2 movies and it's pulled my interest back into this franchise.
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They generally just take the name/appearance and sometimes powers of the mutant and just make up the rest. These characters were popular for a reason, and when you completely re-write them, you're undermining that.
Just do the characters justice. It's honestly not terribly hard. They're great characters.
You just summed up Fox's approach to superhero films. Exactly why I don't care for them. They apparently don't care very much about the actual characters involved. They just care about the bang-zoom!
With the notable exception of Deadpool.
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:who:
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1) X2: X-Men United
2) X-Men: Days of Future Past
3) X-Men: First Class
4) The Wolverine
5) X-Men
6) X-Men: The Last Stand
7) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
You know what, I think this is probably my exact ranking, except perhaps swap Wolverine and the first X-Men around. And you've left out Deadpool.
So I guess something like this.
1) X2: X-Men United
2) X-Men: Days of Future Past
3) X-Men: First Class
4) Deadpool
5) X-Men
6) The Wolverine
7) X-Men: The Last Stand
8) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
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But is this new Deadpool part of the X-Men canon? I don't think that was ever confirmed.
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But is this new Deadpool part of the X-Men canon? I don't think that was ever confirmed.
Yes it is. It just takes place in modern times, while the current x-men movie is set in the 80's.
They just took the piss out of the whole franchise (making fun of the X-Men actors, timelines etc.) but it's still part of it.
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I'm not really sure there is official X-Men "canon" anymore. Or if there is, I'm not sure anyone really has a clear answer as to what it is and isn't. Part of that is because Fox hasn't really cared about keeping things consistent and having continuity, and part of it is because all bets are off once you start dealing with time travel and alternate timelines and stuff anyway. But the bottom line is that they are so all over the place that I don't think the idea of "canon" even really applies. They will just do what they want in any given moment, and if it meshes, great. If it doesn't, that's fine with them too.
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But is this new Deadpool part of the X-Men canon? I don't think that was ever confirmed.
Yes it is. It just takes place in modern times, while the current x-men movie is set in the 80's.
They just took the piss out of the whole franchise (making fun of the X-Men actors, timelines etc.) but it's still part of it.
But the movie only had the budget for 2 X-Men! :lol
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But is this new Deadpool part of the X-Men canon? I don't think that was ever confirmed.
Yes it is. It just takes place in modern times, while the current x-men movie is set in the 80's.
They just took the piss out of the whole franchise (making fun of the X-Men actors, timelines etc.) but it's still part of it.
But the movie only had the budget for 2 X-Men! :lol
I loved that part. Apparently ad libbed by Reynolds.
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Oh The X Men !!
Thought this was a thread for MTF Trans. :neverusethis:
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Just got tickets to see Apocalypse on the 18th! Really hyped.
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Adami is spot on about the characters. However, despite all of that, the movies (for the most part) have still been entertaining. I'd say they did an ok job with Jean Grey and Mystique in the original franchise. Still not really sure why Sebastian Shaw was chosen as the lead antagonist in First Class, though it was pretty well written. Beast has been well done in the new franchise. So, I'd say they're hit-and-miss (mostly miss) with the character development over the years.
Despite it's flaws, I still really enjoyed Last Stand.
1 - X2
2 - DoFP
3 - X-Men
4 - First Class
5 - Last Stand
6 - The Wolverine
7 - Wolverine Origins (a very distant 7th)
Still looking forward to Apocalypse... and in 3D since it was ACTUALLY SHOT IN 3D!
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1. Last Stand
2. First Class
3. DoFP
4. Origins: Wolverine
5. X2
6. X-Men
7. The Wolverine
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1. Days of Future Past
2. X-Men United
3. X-Men
4. First Class
5. Origins
6. The Last Stand
7. The Wolverine
I enjoyed all of them to a point. My top 4 are really really good to amazing movies. Origins and Last Stand are okay. The Wolverine was a snooze-fest. I'll have to go through and watch all of them again at some point because I'd love to see if my thoughts about any of them change.
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I have NO idea why people hate Wolverine:Origins. It's certainly much better than the terrible Wolverine standalone.
1. X-Men 2
2. Wolverine: Origins
3. First Class
4. Days of Future Past
5. Last Stand
6. X-Men
7. Wolverine
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That is certainly an unorthodox position.
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I have NO idea why people hate Wolverine:Origins. It's certainly much better than the terrible Wolverine standalone.
1. Horrible CGI (Wolverine's claws looking like Roger Rabbit, CGI Xavier, CGI X-Men students running for the chopper)
2. Completely butchering Deadpool
3. Wolverine chopping down the ladder chasing Gambit looking like a scene from Looney Tunes
Point 2 can not be stated enough. The other standalone Wolverine movie opens pretty good and is overall a solid movie until the final fight where it goes off the rails.
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I have NO idea why people hate Wolverine:Origins. It's certainly much better than the terrible Wolverine standalone.
The effects are awful - at times it looks like an early 90s green screen for the background. What they did to Wade Wilson. Mind and body control from a green-screen? Force-fitting Professor X (looking like a young Patrick Stewart) in at the end - which in no way creates the bridge between this movie and x-men (ie, how Charles knows so much about Logan). Adamantium bullets cause amnesia?
That's just off the top of my head from what I remember when it came out. I'm sure if I re-watched it, I'd have more reasons to be angry with it. The main storyline wasn't horrible, but the execution, and some of the major points to the story were flawed.
Edit - :ninja: 'd
The other standalone Wolverine movie opens pretty good and is overall a solid movie until the final fight where it goes off the rails.
Agreed completely.
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The first time I saw the movie was actually some kind of a leak with most of the CGI not even finished, so that's probably why I don't even mind that it doesn't look that bad since I was used to a much worse version. I don't care for the Deadpool character at all so that's another thing that doesn't really bother me I guess.
Either way I love the first half of the movie so much that I don't care if the second half is a little bit wanky at times. :lol
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Origins was an awesome movie. They got Sabretooth right and to me, that outweighs the silliness with Deadpool.
The Wolverine was irrelevant and boring.
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The stupidest thing about Origins was the fact that Striker was holding that woman against her will, but the woman had mind control powers and could have just made him let her go.
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The stupidest thing about Origins was the fact that Striker was holding that woman against her will, but the woman had mind control powers and could have just made him let her go.
I never even considered that. Probably because there was such an abundance of other stupid things about that movie.
It's sad, the opening scene of that movie is so good (not the stuff in the 1800's, but the war collage was awesome. A movie like that would have been amazing. We know how Logan got his metal, let's see him and Victor before that.
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The stupidest thing about Origins was the fact that Striker was holding that woman against her will, but the woman had mind control powers and could have just made him let her go.
I hate things like that in movies where someone has a power and doesn't use it at the most obvious / critical time.
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I admit I haven't seen the movie in quite some time, (for good reason) but wasn't she working with Stryker till the end? Or am I confused?
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I admit I haven't seen the movie in quite some time, (for good reason) but wasn't she working with Stryker till the end? Or am I confused?
IIRC he was holding her sister hostage so she was basically forced to work for him.
Also the war collage are probably the best minutes of the X-Men franchise. :hefdaddy
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I admit I haven't seen the movie in quite some time, (for good reason) but wasn't she working with Stryker till the end? Or am I confused?
IIRC he was holding her sister hostage so she was basically forced to work for him.
Also the war collage are probably the best minutes of the X-Men franchise. :hefdaddy
And at any time she could have just told him to let her sister go.
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^ Exactly.
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I admit I haven't seen the movie in quite some time, (for good reason) but wasn't she working with Stryker till the end? Or am I confused?
IIRC he was holding her sister hostage so she was basically forced to work for him.
Also the war collage are probably the best minutes of the X-Men franchise. :hefdaddy
And at any time she could have just told him to let her sister go.
Maybe they shot her with an amnesia bullet and she forgot she could do it.
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Yeah, Origins is really really bad. I didn't use to know who Deadpool was, so I always used to think that that was the coolest part of the movie, but that didn't help it since pretty much all the rest is awful.
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I didn't see it mentioned. What are people's views on what happens after Apocalypse? Singer I read somewhere feels this will be a conclusion of sorts. With his dirty laundry being aired, and Disney looming, I read between the lines that he is gone from directing at least.
What I am interested in is what Disney does. Full disclosure, the Xmen universe characters are by far my favorite group of comic people. I also am a Disney nut. However, I think the Mouse is milking everything way too much, and their continued expansion will have a peak.
So I want Disney to buy out 20th century's rights, or at least set up a Spider-Man like deal. It's clear that WB-DC is chasing Marvel. The first two Xmen IMO were the trend setters for building a universe, and now I feel fox is also going after the MCA. Fox overall has been hit and miss, mostly hit with Xmen. Miss seems to be the Fantastic 4 and Daredevil. Deadpool was the wildcard that drew Fox more bargaining power. But with the Spider-Man deal, maybe Fox feels they cannot go for the WB-DC route fight against the mouse.
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The next X-Men movie will be set in the 90's. Which is getting ridiculous as the cast members aren't aging.
They are also making a New Mutants movie which will have Xavier (no idea which actor) in it. Plus a new Wolverine movie and Deadpool 2. Possibly an X-Force movie as well.
Fox ain't giving up those rights anytime soon. I wish Marvel would get them back too, but it's not going to happen. :(
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Fox are making good X-Men movies and I'm happy they have the rights. Marvel already has too much on their plate.
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I don't see the X-Men rights reverting to Marvel any time soon. And at this point, I don't think Marvel cares very much, especially since they get to use Spider-Man now.
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I just want to see an X Men meet Avengers movie so Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Lawrence can do each other :yarr
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I just want to see an X Men meet Avengers movie so Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Lawrence can do each other :yarr
The two most overrated actresses of this time imo.
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I just want to see an X Men meet Avengers movie so Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Lawrence can do each other :yarr
The two most overrated actresses of this time imo.
Yo Jakepriest, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but Beyonce is the most overrated actress of all time!
Sorry, I actually agree about Lawrence, so I couldn't have put her in the joke.
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Honestly, I would not want Kevin Feige to get his hands on the X-Men. There's so many characters to explore for X-Men, adding them to the MCU is gonna make it feel very stuffed. I'm sure everyone wants to see a Wolverine/Hulk showdown. I want to see a Cyclops vs Mr Sinister showdown even more.
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I just want to see an X Men meet Avengers movie so Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Lawrence can do each other :yarr
The two most overrated actresses of this time imo.
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Now it's all about hardwood floors.
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Honestly, I would not want Kevin Feige to get his hands on the X-Men. There's so many characters to explore for X-Men, adding them to the MCU is gonna make it feel very stuffed. I'm sure everyone wants to see a Wolverine/Hulk showdown. I want to see a Cyclops vs Mr Sinister showdown even more.
Not really having a strong a opinion on Feige one way or the other, part of my love for X-men is the giant nature of their universe. I honestly cannot comment on main Avengers characters, Spider-man's universe, nor DCs. To me, even though there are kind of the two main people (ProfX and Magneto), so many other characters were almost as important. If not more so at times. Apocalypse carved out a third perspective IMO that is different from Magneto. As much as I originally thought he was just the omnipotent bad guy, his back story seems to have provided motivation for his views now.
What I'm also saying is the X-men "universe" characters already live among the Avengers characters, right? So what is to say cameos here and there, or easter eggs is a bad thing? Oh shoot, that was Shatterstar in the background looking at Ironman! Or something that was in X2 if I remember when Lady Deathstrike was looking at file names of 2nd tier mutants. I still remember the first thing I said after X-men in 2000- the sky is the limit for this franchise if they do this right. I was so excited for the potential of all these characters. Luckily, they were able to retcon and refresh from the mis-steps of X3 and Origins.
The unfortunate thing for your view Accel is from what I follow with the Mouse, Disney/Iger probably wants to get X-men, and milk the fock out of it. They already are with the MCA, Pixar sequels, and are starting with Star Wars. Indiana Jones is having a fifth movie. The theme parks are whole other diamond mine, but obviously have merchandise tie ins. What is a factor here for 20th Century Fox- Disney owns Marvel merchandise. Go into a toy department, and let me know if you see anything for X-men. When I looked for Days Of Future Past, I saw nothing. From what I read, Fox cannot merchandise anything.
On the downside for Disney, ESPN is now creating a hole in their warchest, and last I knew ABC was number 2 or 3 in the big four broadcast networks. ESPN however, and maybe even broadcast TV is a symptom of the times, and shift in media consumption and interests. Comcast/NBC/Universal is the biggest media conglomerate still?, with I think Disney #2. However, the Mouse is printing $100,000.00 Woodrow Wilson notes with the MCA and SW. X-men would just be another explosion for them.
I will agree on Mr. Sinister! I think with Apocalypse comes him, so hopefully in the next couple of films.
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What I'm also saying is the X-men "universe" characters already live among the Avengers characters, right?
Not on film, no. The film rights belong to Fox. In the world populated by mutants that is featured in the films, there are no Avengers or Spider-Man or Guardians of the Galaxy. And there are not mutants in the Marvel Studios universe.
And it doesn't matter if Marvel WANTS the X-Men film rights back. The way that those rights contracts are written, the rights revert to Marvel if "x" amount of time passes with the rights-holder not being involved in active production on a film. That is how Marvel got back the film rights to characters like Daredevil and Ghost Rider - the rights-holders either couldn't get a new film started within the time span or just chose not to continue the series. It is also why Sony rushed into production on The Amazing Spider-Man as a reboot after Sam Raimi decided not to make Spider-Man 4 - they knew that Spider-Man was such a big money-maker that they didn't want the rights to revert to Marvel.
The X-Men series of films has been pretty successful (financially) for Fox, so it doesn't appear as if they will ever go any real length of time without putting another film in production. They keep the film rights as long as they want to keep making the films.
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I guess I'm not explaining what I'm trying to get at fully. I know Fox would be fools to let the rights lapse, nor will they for Xmen.
As I noted, Disney is alot about monetization now. I don't know if Lucas was actively courting buyers, but Disney sunk 4 billion on that. A few years prior, Marvel was at least 2 billion if I remember. They carefully have set up both MCU and now SW to capitalize at least yearly with each franchise in massive amounts. Disney as soon as they bought Lucasfilm had a fully realized schedule, and have mostly followed it. When they bought Pixar, they put more sequels into the pipeline which was a point of contention for Pixar before the merge. It easy to see two of the cash cows were the chosen ones. Cars was not huge box office by comparison to some of the other Pixars, but the merchandise was all over a few years ago.
So i just feel Disney will go for a hostile take over. Or at the very least, the Spider-Man arrangement. They *just* rebooted that, basically to do it all over to fit with the MCU and milk the heck out of it.
Further, the theme parks have a recent example. Disney World lost huge ground to Universal and Harry Potter. So they make a deal with James Cameron to build World of Avatar to compete. This was pre Marvel explosion and Lucasfilm. At this point the deal doesn't look as smart. But Avatar did 2 billion? So I'm sure the sequels won't do terribly. And that will drive guests into the Animal Kingdom.
And take Epcot's Norway attraction. They are re-imagining that to fit the Frozen theme, which was/is mammoth with young girls. They had to do fast passes to meet Ana and Elsa because the wait was several hours.
So that's my view, although I am the clear only one. :D They are already milking MCU to the tune of three films a year. Brining in Xmen would just create more IP to further that. Although, I do give some credence to what Spielberg said about analogizing super hero films to Westerns, and what happened to them.
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I don't think Disney will try to buy the X-Men stuff. Right now (correct me if I'm wrong) but the highest grossing X-Men film is Deadpool, which is something Disney cannot and would not make. I just don't think there's enough profit in it for them.
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With Spider-Man, Sony had a good reason to partner with Marvel. They were butchering the character with the TASM movies, people didn't like those films (generally speaking) and the second one was not good at all. They needed the partnership because they had no idea what they were doing and it was a win-win for them, as well as Marvel.
Fox is not in the same situation. They have done a great job with X-Men and despite two flops (Wolverine Origins and Last Stand), they have managed to bounce back strong every time. As far as I'm concerned Fox doesn't have a weaker track record than Marvel with their MCU. You get a weaker movie and then you get a strong movie around the corner.
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Regarding the X-Men movies, I think they're great. I especially enjoyed the more recent ones that go back to their beginnings. Fassbender as Magneto has been brilliant. He's probably still my favorite character in the X-Men series.
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Yeah, by the structure of the rights deals, Disney CAN'T do a hostile takeover, so give up your fears. They can certainly attempt to buy back the X-Men rights, if they want to do so and Fox agrees, but that will never, ever happen. And frankly, Marvel doesn't NEED the X-Men in their MCU, so it's still not going to happen.
I would imagine they would MUCH rather have the Fantastic Four, and possibly Namor (although Kevin Feige has said they COULD use Namor now, but it would involve some red tape with Universal), than the X-Men.
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Yeah, by the structure of the rights deals, Disney CAN'T do a hostile takeover, so give up your fears. They can certainly attempt to buy back the X-Men rights, if they want to do so and Fox agrees, but that will never, ever happen. And frankly, Marvel doesn't NEED the X-Men in their MCU, so it's still not going to happen.
I would imagine they would MUCH rather have the Fantastic Four, and possibly Namor (although Kevin Feige has said they COULD use Namor now, but it would involve some red tape with Universal), than the X-Men.
Yea, I'm perfectly fine with Fox keeping X-Men, even if they have a record of screwing up a majority of the characters. I would love to see the FF universe go back though, especially Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls. Namor is also a great idea, once they figure out how to properly shoot underwater scenes, I really wasn't convinced they could do that with BvS.
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https://www.bustle.com/articles/160555-the-x-men-apocalypse-cast-is-so-huge-it-makes-civil-war-look-small
This is probably a garbage site. It is as least a garbage article. :facepalm:
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Actually I think this article is on the mark. I have a feeling the final battle with Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen is going to be massive. It's not saying that it's better or worse than Civil War. It's saying that there are more mutants fighting in this film than there were superheroes in Civil War
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Actually I think this article is on the mark. I have a feeling the final battle with Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen is going to be massive. It's not saying that it's better or worse than Civil War. It's saying that there are more mutants fighting in this film than there were superheroes in Civil War
I've read reports of people who have seen to really didn't care much for it. Best I got was "lots of stuff happening, none of it matters".
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Probably. It's a do or die situation. The final battle in Civil War wasn't the big airport battle, which in hindsight probably didn't matter either, but it was a great scene. Civil War is a more personal story, and it deserved the more personal battle at the end ergo why I think the final fight in Days of Future Past is the best yet in the X-Men franchise. It was more relatable than say big messy The Last Stand battle :lol
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I think adding the X-Men to the MCU would make it just way too crowded, so I'm fine with another company playing in that sandbox.
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Just saw Apocalypse, I really liked it. To me it wasn't on par with Days of Future Past, but that's the best X-Men movie and a top5 superhero movie overall, so can't say I expected that. But I would probably put it on par with (or slightly over) First Class.
4 superhero movies into the year and only one has been bad so far. They showed the trailer for Suicide Squad before and that looks like a trainwreck as well. But at least we have Dr. Strange!
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What I meant with the article is that Xmen by its nature is a large collection of mutants. So comparing it to something like Batman V Superman and not a lot of characters is a bit narrow sighted.
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I think adding the X-Men to the MCU would make it just way too crowded, so I'm fine with another company playing in that sandbox.
Yes indeed.
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What I meant with the article is that Xmen by its nature is a large collection of mutants. So comparing it to something like Batman V Superman and not a lot of characters is a bit narrow sighted.
Yeah, but they are both big spectacle films about comic book characters. It's not narrow-sighted at all to compare how good a job was done in portraying that kind of stuff.
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Re-watched Apocalypse this morning. I really like it more on the second viewing. Not as good as Futures past and my third best comic movie of the year. But solid movie.
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Rotten tomatoes is not too hot at the moment, especially when comparing Singer's other X Films. Kind of a bummer, I was really excited for this one due to them finally doing Apocalypse. Deadpool's success will allow for other characters though.
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Just watched apocalypse. I am speechless. That was incredible :hefdaddy
People are heavily divided on this one, but I couldn't be happier. I absolutely loved it.
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I enjoyed it's
Without going into specific spoilers, I really was not a fan of how Apocalypse had basically every power. It makes sense how they wrote him, but just not him.
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The more I think about it, the more I am disappointed with how they did Apocalypse. I understand fully that these films are not true to their source, no can they really ever be. That did not hurt Days of Future Past what so ever. More often, it's just the events that they alter. With Apocalypse, they messed with his powers, how he gets them, and the fact that he ages. Just not a good choice to me, when Singer pushed out pure gold in the past. I have no problem with Isaac's portrayal. However, something as simple has him becoming larger really had a big effect relative to the perceived might of him really could have aided in the film. Here he can just eliminate things at will. He was also generally always the biggest character, where here he is pretty much the same height as everyone in the film.
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Didn't Apocalypse absorb powers in the comics too? I don't remember much but I remember him being all powerful. I liked the included idea that he had to transfer bodies because it added stakes. It gave him a reason to have the four horsemen, to protect him during the transfer.
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X-Men: Apocalypse was pretty awesome.
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I'm not sure what the critics saw. While it is no where near as great as X-Men United or Days of Future Past, it is a good movie. Very engaging and ambitious. The only issue I had were that at times it felt labored with the amount of character motivations it had to address. Otherwise, it is a good movie, and has some great X-Men moments. It does not deserve the atrocious 40% on rotten tomatoes.
Also the big X-Men fan in me lost it at the post-credits scene because WE'RE ABOUT TO GET MISTER SINISTER IN THE NEXT MOVIE!!!!!!!
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I really liked Apocalypse too. The critic I agreed with the most was Chris Stuckmann who gave the movie A-. He had some problems with it, but overall enjoyed it really much, as did I. A lot of the "problems" that I've seen critics have are not problems I share. Apocalypse was pretty much spot on to the Apocalypse I knew from the animated show. He is a bit over the top and he doesn't have any motivation other than wanting to see the strongest survive and the weak fall, so that was enough for me. I liked the new X-Men in their roles, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, Storm, and I want more from them.
I remember Mr Sinister well from the animated show but I have to admit that I kinda confuse him with Apocalypse. They have different motives from what I recall, Apocalypse wanting to see a world in ashes with only the strong left, Sinister being obsessed with the Summers-family (from what I recall) but other than that, don't they have similar powers? Like a collection of many powers.
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Loved the scene where the one character is saving all of the students from the blast in the school, even taking time out for a swig of cola.... very nicely done.
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I've read some pretty bad reviews. I can't speak much about them (agreeing or disagreeing) because I haven't seen the film, but I haven't really liked the way that Singer has handled any of the X-Men films all that much, so my opinion would probably be biased anyway.
I will say that the X-Men films that he wasn't involved with at all were much, much worse than the ones that he was.
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I've read mostly negative reviews, where the positive reviews were people who just wanted a popcorn fun flick. I'll see the movie once I get back to America, but I can say that even as far back as the first trailer, this is the first X-Men movie that really didn't excite me in the slightest. I've seen all of the trailers and even a few TV spots and it really just feels like mindless action without much else going on. And I'm a big fan of the X-Men films, minus X-3 and 2/3 of First Class.
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Guys, this is where you just need to see the movie to form your own opinion. I went in with low expectations, even though a few friends of mine told me it was a good film, and I came out enjoying the film. Like I said, it's not as good as X2 or DOFP, but it's a hell of a lot better than Origins and The Last Stand. There's a lot of emotional heft in this flick that pushes a few prominent characters story arc throughout this series.
Also, you won't help but smile to see what the X-Men are wearing at the very end of the film :-)
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I really liked Apocalypse too. The critic I agreed with the most was Chris Stuckmann who gave the movie A-. He had some problems with it, but overall enjoyed it really much, as did I. A lot of the "problems" that I've seen critics have are not problems I share. Apocalypse was pretty much spot on to the Apocalypse I knew from the animated show. He is a bit over the top and he doesn't have any motivation other than wanting to see the strongest survive and the weak fall, so that was enough for me. I liked the new X-Men in their roles, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, Storm, and I want more from them.
I remember Mr Sinister well from the animated show but I have to admit that I kinda confuse him with Apocalypse. They have different motives from what I recall, Apocalypse wanting to see a world in ashes with only the strong left, Sinister being obsessed with the Summers-family (from what I recall) but other than that, don't they have similar powers? Like a collection of many powers.
There will be spoilers in my post.
The problem is that the movie establishes NO motivation for Apocalypse. Why does he want to conquer everyone, because he is a deity? That doesn't explain why does he feel he needs to conquer everyone. I don't recall that being explored. All of us that watched the TV shows, and/or read some of the comics, know what his motivation is. But it goes deeper as we learned more about him. They retconned it yes in the comics, but considering Days Of Future Past where they show him at the end when he was younger, it would be reasoned they would maybe flashback to that. They could have spent 5 minutes to show he was rejected. I don't even think they established his backstory until after the original Fox TV series. But at least he made more sense. The average movie goer does not know this. So in this film, we get deity like bad guy with no way to relate to him. Further, his powers are already a cluster-bleep in the comics, and this movie continued that by adding more to it nearly.
Regarding Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse, my understanding is that Apocalypse created Mr. Sinister's powers. Mr. Sinister however hates Apocalypse as he realized his intentions, and also his rigid personality. As much as I don't know about Sinister, he seems to not be so black & white as Apocalypse. Sinister has primarily used the Summers family as pawns to take down Apocalypse, and that has created massive continuity issues/paradoxes. Therefore, we have my avatar and namesake, along with a Jean Grey clone.
Then if we look at the main characters. Magneto once again goes from "good" to "bad." Quicksilver could have stopped that whole Magneto mass destruction by speaking basically, but decided not to. Mystique is all of a sudden a main character, leader of the Xmen, and has managed two world threatening villains/events. All while having a usual power, but in no way comparable to many other mainline mutants that are put in frontline battle roles. Wolverine's appearance is a 10 minute or whatever murder-fest. Havoc is killed off as an afterthought, and his brother Cyclops, I think, didn't even acknowledge it? Xavier "unlocks" Grey for another go-round at the Dark Phoenix Saga. Because that worked out so well jamming it into an ensemble movie last time. Or that the storyline has caused a schism in the Marvel universe, both creators and fans.
Singer or whoever messed up the timeline with regard to aging. Simply put, 1st class was 60's, DOFP 70's, Apocalypse 80's. Mystique and Beast have basically aged because Jenny Lawrence and Holt are tired of the blue paint. So by them not being in their natural state, they aged I guess? Quicksilver still lives in his mom's basement, and they explain that away as a joke. Havoc didn't really age, but they killed him off, so that answered that question.
On the note of Lawrence, this has turned into Halle Berry part 2. An actress is in the first movie, wins an Oscar for a different role, and wants a bigger role and bigger pay for a character that may not justify it. In the case of Lawrence, she should have never had this important of a role with her character for now two films. Yet she dictated being not being blue, and basically running the last two films with her scenes. Berry tried the same garbage from what I read around X2, but was not as effective as Lawrence.
https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Main-Reason-Jennifer-Lawrence-May-Quit-Playing-Mystique-72649.html
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/bryan-singer-thinks-jennifer-lawrences-mystique-should-get-a-solo-spin-off-a142203
Guys, this is where you just need to see the movie to form your own opinion. I went in with low expectations, even though a few friends of mine told me it was a good film, and I came out enjoying the film. Like I said, it's not as good as X2 or DOFP, but it's a hell of a lot better than Origins and The Last Stand. There's a lot of emotional heft in this flick that pushes a few prominent characters story arc throughout this series.
Also, you won't help but smile to see what the X-Men are wearing at the very end of the film :-)
Emotions in this movie? Magneto? That's about it from what I recall. And that was a rehashing to re-motivate Magneto to do bad again.
Sure, this film is better Wolverine: Origins. At this point, this movie equals X3 in mediocrity, and failure overall on many fronts;
An actress that wants a bigger role/out of the series
=check.
A Dark Phoenix
=half check.
New characters that aren't really explained
=check.
Dead mutants, and moving on immediately
=check.
A director/producer that is gone (again)
=check.
Mass destruction, and return to mostly a status quo
=check.
Misrepresented powers/importance of characters
=check.
This movie is way far far away from X2 and DOFP. 1st Class and Xmen1 are also much better.
https://www.slashfilm.com/x-men-apocalypse-spoiler-review/3/
All in all, sure, the film is fun. I enjoyed it while watching it, and I would see it again. It had a great amount of humor, and what was even better was the Star Wars joke. What is bad though is this film lives up to that joke. This film goes no where, and does more harm than good for the characters. It barely maintains continuity by weak afterthought measures. I believe the Lawrence influence, Singer leaving afterwards, and probably some studio meddling led to this. It just feels exactly like X3 all over again. Maybe that is too harsh. So maybe it is just a transitionary film. Somehow though, the gold standard MCU transition films have not got this level of heat critically. :|
Overall, it's a comic book movie, in no way can they live up to canon, and I'm clearly biased. :lol ;) I still take it too seriously. *sigh* :chill
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Personally I don't think we needed anything more from Apocalypse to make him work better. You have a character like the Joker in The Dark Knight who is basically loved by everyone, and they don't go into his background other than "he wants to watch the world burn", which could essentially be said for Apocalypse too, except he is willing to let the strong survive while "cleansing" the weak. Just for me personally, I didn't need anything more than they set up.
With the timeline/age situation, it's definitely messed up and there's no way you think Beast is 20 years older than he was in First Class or Quicksilver being 10 years older since DoFP, but they went that route with 1 movie per decade and I don't mind it. It requires some suspension of disbelief, but out of all the so-called problems, I think this definitely falls on the minor list.
Mystique/Jennifer Lawrence was definitely the weakest part for me and they should just retire her. They could have ended with her walking away and some nonsense about "She needs to go her own path", or even better, have Apocalypse kill her in the final fight, and that could have finished her arc that they set up in the film. She is seen by others as a hero after what happened in DoFP, but she doesn't relate to that herself. What about her sacrificing herself, or rather killed by Apocalypse trying to be the hero, and her death inspiring the others to fight against him, eventually destroying him. That would finish her arc, would give her a purpose in the film and we wouldn't risk the chance of having another phoned in performance in the next one.
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I agree with both of your second and third paragraphs. ;D
The thing about Joker, and this comes from a non-DC comic follower. Heath Ledger joker felt mentally unstable, and that came across in his dialogue/portrayal to me. Same for Nicholson Joker, in a different manner. I could fully understand why those characters did what they did. Ledger was maybe traumatized, maybe not. He certainly was unbalanced so to speak. Jack's Joker was out for revenge, a long time criminal, and had a disfiguring event happen. The Joker is also much more well known publicly and pop media wise than Apocalypse. More than Magneto too. But even still, Jack's Joker had enough backstory in there to provide insight into his motivations. This was important, as the common opinion from what I gathered back then was the Joker was a trickster and comedian based on the TV show with Romero.
Yet with Magneto, we have learned about his motivations now at least three times over the nine film continuity- I am throwing all Xmen universe films into it. And I'm accepting of that more, even though for example it grows tiring of learning about Spiderman's backstory again, and Batman's multiple times. I accept it because Magneto in the grand scope of all US based comics is a second their character. And unlike Batman and Spiderman, Magneto is not part of U.S. pop lexicon. Apocalypse however is then a third tier character IMO, so for an introduction for him, I felt it could have been so much better.
The inherent problem is Apocalypse is a newer character, and by comparison written subpar with all sorts of time travel issues. My fear is as they are taking on Cable now with Deadpool, and Sinister separately or not, they are opening themselves up to all sorts of challenges. They are already treading on murky water with Sinister, as they are implying he is already established. Yet Apocalypse was asleep...
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There was a CLEAR motivation for Apocalypse, and a set up. We spend 20 minutes of the film getting to know who he is and what he wants. He saw the Super Powers that were formed from the different countries of the human race, and wanted to end the law and civilization that was constructed all the centuries that he was inactive so that everyone would be ruled by him.
And I don't think anything that happened had to re-motivate Magneto from being a bad guy again. He always had the view that humans will never accept mutants. Just because he's laying low in the beginning of the film doesn't mean that view diminished. I think everything that happened in this film with Magneto was a great arc for his character in the franchise.
And Bryan Singer and Simon Kindberg did return as director and producer, respectively.
And this film is better than the first X-Men movie. That film has not aged well at all.
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I kind of take issue with the argument that Mystique shouldn't be a major character. Granted, her role was never this significant in the comics, but I really don't have any problem with that. Actually, I think it's kind of refreshing for a new character to get so much of the spotlight in such a longstanding franchise.
I feel like the criticism has more to do the actor Jennifer Lawrence than the character Mystique. And that's fair. They stumbled onto a megastar in the acting world, and they want to capitalize on it by making her character a star. And are they trying to capitalize on Katniss Everdeen by putting up a poster with Jennifer Lawrence's (costumed) face on it and treating her as an underdog hero? Sure, yeah, probably. But, personally, none of that has really affected my enjoyment of the character or the movies.
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And this film is better than the first X-Men movie. That film has not aged well at all.
Oh definitely this. I watched the first X-Men movie recently and thought it was actually pretty bad by today's standards.
X-Men 2 remains awesome though.
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I kind of take issue with the argument that Mystique shouldn't be a major character. Granted, her role was never this significant in the comics, but I really don't have any problem with that. Actually, I think it's kind of refreshing for a new character to get so much of the spotlight in such a longstanding franchise.
I feel like the criticism has more to do the actor Jennifer Lawrence than the character Mystique. And that's fair. They stumbled onto a megastar in the acting world, and they want to capitalize on it by making her character a star. And are they trying to capitalize on Katniss Everdeen by putting up a poster with Jennifer Lawrence's (costumed) face on it and treating her as an underdog hero? Sure, yeah, probably. But, personally, none of that has really affected my enjoyment of the character or the movies.
I think one of the issues with her (from my perspective at least) is that they're not making her a main character due to loving her actual character, it's 100% a business decision to capitalize on Lawrence being in the cast. I think when stories are being written from a business perspective, it's not what I want in a movie like this.
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I agree. It also bothers me that in the last 2 movies, she has been opposed the whole idea of X-Men, and at the end she still doesn't share Xavier's views on mutants and their place in the world, yet she is somehow the leader of their strike force.
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I kind of take issue with the argument that Mystique shouldn't be a major character. Granted, her role was never this significant in the comics, but I really don't have any problem with that. Actually, I think it's kind of refreshing for a new character to get so much of the spotlight in such a longstanding franchise.
I feel like the criticism has more to do the actor Jennifer Lawrence than the character Mystique. And that's fair. They stumbled onto a megastar in the acting world, and they want to capitalize on it by making her character a star. And are they trying to capitalize on Katniss Everdeen by putting up a poster with Jennifer Lawrence's (costumed) face on it and treating her as an underdog hero? Sure, yeah, probably. But, personally, none of that has really affected my enjoyment of the character or the movies.
I think one of the issues with her (from my perspective at least) is that they're not making her a main character due to loving her actual character, it's 100% a business decision to capitalize on Lawrence being in the cast. I think when stories are being written from a business perspective, it's not what I want in a movie like this.
That, and Mystique shouldn't be a major character.
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Got my tickets for Logan this Friday night! I absolutely can not wait for this flick, and the phenomenal reviews that are coming out for it is getting me more excited. I'm not trying to get too hyped, but ever since that first trailer with the Johnny Cash song...it was one of my most anticipated movies of the year
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Yea, I'm seeing it tomorrow. Really excited!
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Dinner date and Logan tomorrow with the wifey.
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Watched Logan last night..... oh my god... Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart gave their best performance in this francise, without a doubt. This movie is FANTASTIC!
9,5/10
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Taking the nephew on Saturday. Can't wait!
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Warning: It's BRUTAL.
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He's 16 and I took to him to Deadpool so he's good. ;D
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I hope I get a chance to see it this weekend. We'll see.
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Glad I've got a ticket for tomorrow night at the dine in theater :hat
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Logan was incredible. The kind of superhero movie I've always wanted to see, and it is essentially the best Last of Us movie that wasn't called The Last of Us. I think there's an argument to be made that this is on par, or better than The Dark Knight and Avengers.
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Haven't seen Logan yet but I'm excited to. Just now got around to seeing Apocalypse and thought it was bad even when comparing it to X3. Which means I thought it was utter trash. Really boring, completely predictable and very bland.
However, once again, Quicksilver's scene was just absolutely fantastic and awe inspiring, especially this version. It's like all of their ingenuity and creativity went into this one scene. Totally awesome. Everything else sucked, I thought. :lol Seriously though, if I saw just that scene I'd give the movie a 10/10.
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Fox and their X-Men universe is interesting because they have the highest burts of quality but they mix that with headscratchingly bad movies too. First you have something like Fantastic Four which doesn't even feel like a finished movie (barely was I suppose), then you have Deadpool which is really awesome, follow that up with X-Men Apocalypse which was the most disappointing out of the recent trilogy, and then follow that with Logan which might be the best comic book movie ever.
Personally I don't think Marvel has done a movie as good as Logan. But they have more of a consistency. What I like about the Fox films is that when they let the directors follow their vision and go outside the box, you get movies like Deadpool and Logan which manage to be great and break some of those traditional patterns you see in the other films. With Marvel, the same formula is very present in the film whether it's Ant-Man or Dr. Strange.
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I'm absolutely thrilled it's being shown in non-3D IMAX. Jingle.son and I have our tickets for Saturday night. Sooooo looking forward to it (along with the Deadpool teaser trailer). Gonna read me some X-23 comics today to get in the mood.
I didn't think Apocalypse was too bad, but it was indeed the worst of the current era x-men movies. I felt the Quicksilver scene was forced, and a blatant (and failed) attempt to capture the magic of that scene from DOFP. I never bothered with the most recent FF
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The Queen and I are in our seats for Logan! :metal
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That movie from top to bottom was amazing. So emotional So human. So wonderful.
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I didn't think it was possible for Fox to make a better X-Men movie than X2, DOFP, or Deadpool....but they just made one of the greatest superhero films ever. Logan is definitely up there with The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Superman The Movie, and Winter Soldier in my books. Might be better than some of the ones I named. I have to comprehend what I just witnessed. What an incredible movie experience.
Monday i'll put the SPOILERS tag on the thread title so we can start discussing, since I feel like the majority of us will be seeing this film this weekend.
Thanks Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart for the past 17 years. They have left the franchise in the best way possible.
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I concur on how amazing Logan was, having the pleasure of not reading any of comics or even watching any of the trailers, it was more than I expected. I knew it would be a lot more serious but man the tone of that movie was downright brutal, melancholic and emotional. I'm glad they went in a tone completely different than the other X-men movies and kept it grounded as much as possible.
The character development was very well done for the protagonists, the villains on the other hand I guess could've had more depth but I'm not complaining. I think with so many good things in this movie it could easily be overlooked on their somewhat plain and straight forward 'I'm the bad guy, I do bad things' depiction.
The kid was great whoever she was, her facial expressions were I thought convincing. If I had to describe this movie in one word I'd say it's extremely 'raw'.
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I agree about the villains, but I'd argue that they didn't really need much depth since the movie wasn't about them. It's not too often that this is the case, but they served their purpose and the one dude with the hand had a lot of great personality and charisma.
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Yeah I should've mentioned that apart from him, the doctor was kinda bland and just sort of there for the sake of it. But as I said it was very minor and didn't affect my enjoyment of the movie.
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And forgot to mention, how awesome was that Deadpool teaser. It was hilarious!
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And forgot to mention, how awesome was that Deadpool teaser. It was hilarious!
That might be consider spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it.
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Ok. but it's not part of the movie. How would it be a spoiler?
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Ok. but it's not part of the movie. How would it be a spoiler?
I had no idea it would be there. It was not advertised at all. It's kind of supposed to be a surprise. It's not a spoiler I guess, but it's kind of ruining a potentially cool surprise.
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Saw it last night, agreed with everyone else so far. Really great, the best super hero movie I've seen in a while.
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Ok. but it's not part of the movie. How would it be a spoiler?
I had no idea it would be there. It was not advertised at all. It's kind of supposed to be a surprise. It's not a spoiler I guess, but it's kind of ruining a potentially cool surprise.
We don't appear to be getting it in UK.
We saw it this afternoon and yeah it was excellent. Really bleak.
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Well it was officially posted online. Easy to find on youtube. (Not Logan)
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Just got back. I may go out on an edge and say that was the best Marvel film yet. Killed it on every level.
And something I noticed in the Deadpool trailer, in the background was a bunch of Firefly posters...I want to get a better look at that, though I think it's just a dick production guy trolling us.
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The girl who played his girlfriend was from Firefly, so that was definitely intentional.
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Thought it was definitely Top 5 of comic book movie of all time, perhaps the greatest MOVIE, because it was a movie based in a comic book world (or more accurately, worlds since it pulls from a few different comic series). I'm not sure I would call it my favorite though. Tremendous performances by Jackman, Stewart, and Dafne Keen. I thought Stephen Merchant (Caliban) was phenomenal as well. Having read the x-23 comics, I was disappointed in how they interpreted Zander Rice.
None-the-less, absolute brilliance, with virtually no flaws.
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Thought it was definitely Top 5 of comic book movie of all time, perhaps the greatest MOVIE, because it was a movie based in a comic book world (or more accurately, worlds since it pulls from a few different comic series). I'm not sure I would call it my favorite though. Tremendous performances by Jackman, Stewart, and Dafne Keen. I thought Stephen Merchant (Caliban) was phenomenal as well. Having read the x-23 comics, I was disappointed in how they interpreted Zander Rice.
None-the-less, absolute brilliance, with virtually no flaws.
Agree with all of this. If Jackman and Stewart don't get Oscar noms then there is a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if Keen gets one too.
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There's not gonna be 2 or 3 oscar nominations for Logan. That's the harsh reality we live in sadly.
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Why not? Heath Ledger got one for The Dark Knight. And both Jackman and Stewart were fantastic and on par to qualify for a nomination.
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Question, was there a Stan Lee cameo? I don't remember seeing him.
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Question, was there a Stan Lee cameo? I don't remember seeing him.
In Logan? No. He wouldn't have fit anyway.
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I didn't think the air to Soul Glow would either but it worked.
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I put the spoiler tag on the thread so discuss away!
I rewatched Apocalypse last night, and I had forgotten Caliban was in in. I believe there was reference to his role in that film that was made by Pierce?
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Finally saw Logan last night!
What a powerful movie! Fantastic performances across the board!
Patrick Stewart should be nominated for best supporting actor. Final scene between Logan and X23 was perfect, as well as the final shot before screen goes black!
I sincerely hope that they reboot the X- Men franchise now. This was such a perfect finale for this version of the X- Men!
10-/10
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Random fun fact about Wolverine.
His first two on-screen appearances were on Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends' episode "A Fire-Star is Born" and X-Men: Pryde of the X-Men, both in the 1980's. Each appearance was voices by a different actor, and for some unknown reason, both of them voiced with him an Australian accent.
So his first appearance was as an Australian, and his last appearance was by an Australian.
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You think this will be Wolverine's "last" appearance? Highly doubtful.
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You think this will be Wolverine's "last" appearance? Highly doubtful.
Not the last Wolverine. Last by Hugh Jackman on film.
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I thought that Logan was amazing.
Did it make anyone else a little sad knowing that all the X-Men died all of a sudden and that their life's work was kind of for nothing? :lol
Anyhow, it will be a shame if the film doesn't get any Oscar nominations. It was truly amazing, not just for a comic book movie, but in general.
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I have no interest in any of these films. X Men I mean. I enjoy the MCU enough.
But what was the final shot(s) that everyone is raving about ?
The Wiki synopsis says that it's a cross on Logan's grave re-arranged to make an X.
is that it ?
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But what was the final shot(s) that everyone is raving about ?
The Wiki synopsis says that it's a cross on Logan's grave re-arranged to make an X.
is that it ?
Yes that is it. You're not going to feel anything when you read a synopsis of the entire movie. The final shot is perfect and very emotional when you couple it with watching the entire movie. It works great in context and is a perfect sendoff. This is one thing where the visual and audio combined makes for a powerful sentiment rather than a textual reading.
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I enjoyed Logan a lot. But First Class is still my favourite X-Men movie so far.
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Finally saw it. What a fantastic movie. Great storytelling, phenominal acting all around. Ranks all the way up there with the best.
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Just saw Logan. Easily the best X-Men film.
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I'll just leave this here.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKgRecPi1I
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I'll just leave this here.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKgRecPi1I
I was going to post this but wasn't sure which thread. I thought it was official until I read the credits. Very well done.
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Brilliant.
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I loved Rogue from watching the 90's cartoon growing up and I felt like she was WAY underutilized in the movies. Maybe they were planning on her gaining her flight and super strength later on, but it just never panned out :'(
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I loved Rogue from watching the 90's cartoon growing up and I felt like she was WAY underutilized in the movies. Maybe they were planning on her gaining her flight and super strength later on, but it just never panned out :'(
Totally agree. Her backstory and development are cool elements of her character, but then we never saw the finished product, so to speak.
The 90's cartoon was also what got me into X-Men.
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It kind of makes me sad that we won't get another X-Men film with the original cast. I was hoping that after Days of Future Past they could of cranked out one or two more, and bring back Alan Cumming's Nightcrawler.
And redeem James Marsden's Cyclops for being a complete pansy.
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I loved Rogue from watching the 90's cartoon growing up and I felt like she was WAY underutilized in the movies. Maybe they were planning on her gaining her flight and super strength later on, but it just never panned out :'(
They'd have to change her story pretty drastically though since those powers came from Carol Danvers, and Marvel owns her.
It kind of makes me sad that we won't get another X-Men film with the original cast. I was hoping that after Days of Future Past they could of cranked out one or two more, and bring back Alan Cumming's Nightcrawler.
And redeem James Marsden's Cyclops for being a complete pansy.
Agree about Alan Cummings, what a great performance. But disagree with the rest. I think they need to shut down the whole machine and just start with in the Deadpool universe.
Outside of the DCEU, FOX seemed to totally not get more of their characters than any other of the companies, including Sony.
They got Professor X and Magneto, as well as Beast, Nightcrawler and..........at the very very end, Wolverine.
But that's about it. They completely missed the point with Cyclops, Jean, Sabertooth, Mystique, Havok, Angel (both of him), Apocalypse, Jubilee, Pyro, Ice Man, Psychlocke, etc etc.
Start over, and find writers/directors that are more interested in the characters than star power and explosions.
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:iagree: for the most part.
I think they did ok with Colossus... but totally under-utilized him. Famke did good with what she was given, and I just can picture the new ginger-chick (too lazy to go look her name up) as Jean/Phoenix.
Every other character has been either filler, or totally mis-used - with Cyclops v1 and Mystique v2 being the worst offenders
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:iagree: for the most part.
I think they did ok with Colossus... but totally under-utilized him. Famke did good with what she was given, and I just can picture the new ginger-chick (too lazy to go look her name up) as Jean/Phoenix.
Every other character has been either filler, or totally mis-used - with Cyclops v1 and Mystique v2 being the worst offenders
Deadpool Colossus was almost eerily accurate. American Colossus who just walks around with TVs missed the point. Looked good though.
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Agree on Colossus.
The new actor playing Jean is from Game Of Thrones.
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:iagree: for the most part.
I think they did ok with Colossus... but totally under-utilized him. Famke did good with what she was given, and I just can picture the new ginger-chick (too lazy to go look her name up) as Jean/Phoenix.
Every other character has been either filler, or totally mis-used - with Cyclops v1 and Mystique v2 being the worst offenders
Deadpool Colossus was almost eerily accurate. American Colossus who just walks around with TVs missed the point. Looked good though.
I can't disagree with that... there were some stupid moments with him. I just didn't like the 'thickness' of him in Deadpool - he felt like a video game character. To me, he's always been a taller/slender stature. The girth of him in Deadpool is what I always though of Juggernaught to be. I think the way he was physically portrayed in the x-men franchise is what I was trying to insinuate was done "ok".
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So Josh Brolin, who is currently Thanos in the MCU, has officially been cast as Cable.
Well that was a totally unpredictable conclusion to that cast hunt.
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I was just about to post about this Adami lol.
The reports I'm reading is he signed a 4 picture deal with the X-men franchise. Not only will he appear in Deadpool 2, but very likely in other X-men films and/or Deadpool crossovers. If Mr. Sinister is suspected to be the big baddie for next X-men movie, this makes a lot of sense.
Also, 4 movies. I think I have a idea of whats going to happen in Infinity Wars :lol
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Well he'll be in Deadpool 2, and probably 2-3 X-Force movies.
Not sure I even want him showing up in an X-Men movie, since those are currently the worst parts of the X-Men universe.
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Just saw Logan over the weekend. That was incredible, and I'm going to miss Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. They gave him one hell of a film to go out on though. Brutal, violent, and so much more real and less comic-booky.
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Just saw Logan over the weekend. That was incredible, and I'm going to miss Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. They gave him one hell of a film to go out on though. Brutal, violent, and so much more real and less comic-booky.
Completely agree! Most unusual film of the series. Outstanding work also from Patrick Stewart.
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I just finished the Death of Wolverine comic series - the 12 issue Wolverine from 2013, and the 4 issues. Now on to the after event tie-ins. Somewhat disappointed... there wasn't much of a connection between the 2013 series, and the actual Death of series. His actual death felt rushed, but the last few pages/panels were very good.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/ryan-reynolds-reveals-new-deadpool-2-clip-with-josh-brolin-w496386
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https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/ryan-reynolds-reveals-new-deadpool-2-clip-with-josh-brolin-w496386
You've never looked sexier bud.
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And Entertainment Weekly has given us a first look at X-Men: Dark Pheonix!
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That last picture...who is going to die in this??
And it hasn't been confirmed if whether we are getting Mister Sinister as a villain, who was teased in the post credits in Apocalypse.
Simon Kinberg, who is a long time producer for the X-Men movies, is directing this one, and has come saying that he's hoping to make a three movie story arc starting with Dark Pheonix. Those hopes and dreams may be going away with Disney's acquisition of 21st Century Fox. The future of the X-Men is still unknown, whether they will be molded into the Marvel Cinematic Universe or if the X-Men will continue have their seperate franchises. I'm hoping for the latter personally. What we do know is that we are getting three X-Men films in 2018 before (or if) anything happens
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So New Mutants has been pushed back almost a whole year to 2019.
Deadpool has also been pushed up 2 weeks.
Weird stuff.
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And Gambit loses another director.
They need to call it quits on that movie already.
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And Gambit loses another director.
They need to call it quits on that movie already.
Gambit is one of my favorite X-Men but I've always felt he didn't need his own movie. Just put him in a X-Men movie.
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And Gambit loses another director.
They need to call it quits on that movie already.
Gambit is one of my favorite X-Men but I've always felt he didn't need his own movie. Just put him in a X-Men movie.
I agree with this. Introduce him in Deadpool 3 or something and if the character gains a following then make a stand alone movie. This Gambit movie will fail.
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Yeah, after multiple attempts of getting this film up in the air, I think it's time to take the horse out back and shoot it. This was a concept that was dated when Fox wanted to make Origin films....in which Origins: Magneto infamously became X-Men: First Class.
So The Hollywood Reporter indicated there was some concern about overlap between Deadpool 2 and New Mutants in overseas marketplaces.I guess the two films would have been in theaters at the same time in some countries. I'm assuming pushing it back 10 months will also avoid it being released with Dark Phoenix as well?
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Yeah, after multiple attempts of getting this film up in the air, I think it's time to take the horse out back and shoot it. This was a concept that was dated when Fox wanted to make Origin films....in which Origins: Magneto infamously became X-Men: First Class.
So The Hollywood Reporter indicated there was some concern about overlap between Deadpool 2 and New Mutants in overseas marketplaces.I guess the two films would have been in theaters at the same time in some countries. I'm assuming pushing it back 10 months will also avoid it being released with Dark Phoenix as well?
Eh. I don't buy that reason at all. You don't shift a movie 10 months unless you have major changes to make. I expect some reshoots and so forth.
They could have moved it to August, if that's all they wanted to do.
Plus the dates have been set for a long time now. They just now realized this?
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Yeah, it's a strange move. I think you are right about reshoots. That doesn't mean the movie that got turned in was bad. I heard that Fox execs were happy with how New Mutants turned out. It could be like the Rogue One reshoots where Lucasfilm basically shelled out more money on it.
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I'm honestly surprised that Disney hasn't pulled the plug on all X-Men related film in preproduction with Fox, like Gambit. I've got to assume they'll be working it into the MCU at some point in the near future. Whether that means a total reboot Or not remained to be seen. FWIW, I think it should be a total reboot of the core X-Men characters, though peripheral characters like Deadpool or the new.mtuants could be folded in after their next movies.
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Disney has no say in FOX for about 12-18 months.
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Is it going to take that long to get approved?
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Is it going to take that long to get approved?
Yup!