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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: bluehaze on April 26, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
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There is still hope...
Question From Facebook poster (name deleted): James, man when are you guys coming to Florida?! This state needs rocked out with your righteous music!
Like · Reply · April 21 at 5:54pm
James Labrie
James Labrie: Would love to do a show there on our next run. Hopefully this will happen late fall of this year. Keep the faith my man
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Sorry to be the cynical butthead here but they'd always love to play the South. They say that every time they're asked. The simple reality is that if they want to do shows by themselves a la TA or Evening Withs, it won't happen. If they want to play down here they'll have to bring along somebody that can contribute to sales.
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I would usually agree, but this time, James gave a timeline...late fall...They don't need any other acts to draw sales. The big flaw in the argument regarding the need for other bands to draw sales is that they actually have to pay the other bands, so I fail to see how that changes their take much.
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They don't book tours. Promoters do. They play where people will pay them to play. If Southern promoters don't think they'll pull enough by themselves, they don't get booked by themselves. Now, I suppose they can lower their rate, but their past excuse (which I'm not questioning) is that they can't go any lower without butchering their production.
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The good news in all this is that DT is considering a second US leg this time round, which didn't happen last cycle.
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The good news in all this is that DT is considering a second US leg this time round, which didn't happen last cycle.
Exactly...
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There's a venue in Durham called the Durham Performing Arts Center that holds about 2,700 people. I'm not exactly sure how the venue's structured, but if they curtained off the upper levels and got that down to 2,000 or something, I think they could get a good turnout. Come on DT - Make it happen! :lol
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They don't book tours. Promoters do. They play where people will pay them to play. If Southern promoters don't think they'll pull enough by themselves, they don't get booked by themselves. Now, I suppose they can lower their rate, but their past excuse (which I'm not questioning) is that they can't go any lower without butchering their production.
Dream Theater always gets good draws for their shows here in Florida and I am pretty sure the promoters know that. DT doesn't need (and shouldn't expect) guaranteed sell outs for the promoters to be interested.
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The good news in all this is that DT is considering a second US leg this time round, which didn't happen last cycle.
YES it is, especially after missing the show last week.
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They don't book tours. Promoters do. They play where people will pay them to play. If Southern promoters don't think they'll pull enough by themselves, they don't get booked by themselves. Now, I suppose they can lower their rate, but their past excuse (which I'm not questioning) is that they can't go any lower without butchering their production.
Dream Theater always gets good draws for their shows here in Florida and I am pretty sure the promoters know that. DT doesn't need (and shouldn't expect) guaranteed sell outs for the promoters to be interested.
Right, but they need at least a handful of shows in an area like the south to make it worthwhile. I can't see them making the sojourn down south for just one or two shows, which means promoters in various cities will have to want to book them. I'd be shocked to see it. Heck, they haven't been to St. Louis in 12 years now.
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As a rule, coming through Tejas means shows in Dallas, Houston and Austin/SA. I suspect that's what makes it possible. Arizona used to be part of that string, but they normally get standalone shows now. The logical conclusion would be that Phoenix is a part of the Southwestern leg including California and Colorado. It's just an additional show in an area they'll be in regardless. Texas is sort of a mini-tour by itself. You need a guaranteed draw to make that profitable. The Wang is isolated as fuck in relation to the rest of their dates. Transporting the show all the way down there for one, maybe two shows is a losing proposition.
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I can see two shows in Mexico, three shows in Texas, one in New Orleans, one in North Carolina, one in South Carolina, one in Georgia, three in Florida, and one in Puerto Rico...and hey, why not one show in Cuba?
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There is still hope...
Question From Facebook poster (name deleted): James, man when are you guys coming to Florida?! This state needs rocked out with your righteous music!
Like · Reply · April 21 at 5:54pm
James Labrie
James Labrie: Would love to do a show there on our next run. Hopefully this will happen late fall of this year. Keep the faith my man
I for one believe this to be true and expect a second leg to hit some forgotten about areas of the country. I will see them then. Have faith! (that's as close to a new album pun as I'm gonna get)
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I personally believe that Dream Theater is unable to do so because, uhmmm, some venues out there in our nation don't have fans and uh, I believe that touring, I, music like such as uh, Dream Theater, and uh, the The Astonishing, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uhhh, our music over here in the southern US should help the US, uh, should help Southern US, it should help the tour and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future, for us.
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From Facebook... More confirmation from James of a second NA leg. James Labrie : We are more than likely coming back through NA sometime late fall or early next year.
See u then.
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As a rule, coming through Tejas means shows in Dallas, Houston and Austin/SA. I suspect that's what makes it possible. Arizona used to be part of that string, but they normally get standalone shows now. The logical conclusion would be that Phoenix is a part of the Southwestern leg including California and Colorado. It's just an additional show in an area they'll be in regardless. Texas is sort of a mini-tour by itself. You need a guaranteed draw to make that profitable. The Wang is isolated as fuck in relation to the rest of their dates. Transporting the show all the way down there for one, maybe two shows is a losing proposition.
And New Mexico gets stuck in the middle with no possibility at all. Not a strong enough prog following, mainly metal.
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Are there other examples of bands who tour as much as DT do and are as popular but consistently not play the southern US?
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From Facebook... More confirmation from James of a second NA leg. James Labrie : We are more than likely coming back through NA sometime late fall or early next year.
See u then.
When DT does a second US leg, do they hit any cities again that they stopped at on their first run? I'd like to see this show at least one more time before they call it quits.
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I would go again to see the Astonishing if they came to Boston.
BUT. I would rather them play a different setlist. I know that's not going to happen, but I don't understand why, if they were just going to come back later to do the same set, they didn't just do multiple nights in the same city. I understand going to different cities... but if they come back to Boston, I would just hope for a different set.
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I would go again to see the Astonishing if they came to Boston.
BUT. I would rather them play a different setlist. I know that's not going to happen, but I don't understand why, if they were just going to come back later to do the same set, they didn't just do multiple nights in the same city. I understand going to different cities... but if they come back to Boston, I would just hope for a different set.
Agreed, I want a traditional show.
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If they come back and hit the same cities, I would like to see a different set list, with some tracks from TA.
If they come back and hit different cities then by all means, play the same show.
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I would actually like to see the entire TA show again. Then maybe they could add some songs at the end. Better yet make a real encore and not the fake encore that everyone else is doing, something spontaenous and not planned.
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Before this show stops at locations previously hit (i.e. The Northeast), Dream Theater needs to play the South. It's our turn.
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While I totally sympathize with the Southern DT fans (I'm a NOLA native myself), I hope they swing back through the Northeast again after hitting the South. Even though I was within reasonable striking distance of the CT, Boston,AND NYC shows, I had to miss them all because I had just had open-heart surgery a couple of weeks earlier! Now I'm recovered enough to go to a show, and they're done. It's the first tour since 2002 (other than the Yes shows and Gigantour) that I've missed, so I'm pretty bummed to have missed this one in particular. Play the South for sure, but then please come back to Connecticut!!
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While I totally sympathize with the Southern DT fans (I'm a NOLA native myself), I hope they swing back through the Northeast again after hitting the South. Even though I was within reasonable striking distance of the CT, Boston,AND NYC shows, I had to miss them all because I had just had open-heart surgery a couple of weeks earlier! Now I'm recovered enough to go to a show, and they're done. It's the first tour since 2002 (other than the Yes shows and Gigantour) that I've missed, so I'm pretty bummed to have missed this one in particular. Play the South for sure, but then please come back to Connecticut!!
You're using open heart surgery as an excuse for skipping a concert? Some fan you are!
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Wow, open heart surgery? I'm glad you're on the mend.. :eek
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Wow, open heart surgery? I'm glad you're on the mend.. :eek
Amen to that! I hope all goes well for you Greyghost.
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https://www.diariosp.com.br/noticia/detalhe/93180/di-rio-fala-com-a-voz-do-dream-theater-sobre-turne
He mentioned about 2nd leg in Europe and NA.
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https://www.diariosp.com.br/noticia/detalhe/93180/di-rio-fala-com-a-voz-do-dream-theater-sobre-turne
He mentioned about 2nd leg in Europe and NA.
Awesome, but I cannot read Spanish. ;D
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Here's the translated version of the article. The mention of the North America leg comes towards the end when the interviewer asks about whether they will go right back into the studio after the tour. He says they have an idea where they want to go with the next album but first is finishing the tour with more Europe, Asia, and a second leg of North America and then a rest. https://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diariosp.com.br%2Fnoticia%2Fdetalhe%2F93180%2Fdi-rio-fala-com-a-voz-do-dream-theater-sobre-turne
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Thanks Haze!
Was a good read actually. Already have ideas for the next album. Cool.
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I'd travel to see them if they did one show actually with the live choir and live orchestra. Which I think they basically have to do, so they can make a DVD of it. They have to know that would sell. RCMH? Another gig at the Boston Opera House with Berkelee's finest?
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I so hope that if there are more European dates they go for the "Some songs off The Astonishing and some other songs as well" approach rather than the "Just The Astonishing in it's entireity" approach - I don't think I could sit through that again if they paid me...
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I'd travel to see them if they did one show actually with the live choir and live orchestra. Which I think they basically have to do, so they can make a DVD of it. They have to know that would sell. RCMH? Another gig at the Boston Opera House with Berkelee's finest?
I'd travel too if they did a one-off show with an orchestra and choir (if it's in the US at least). If they do go all out with that, I also think it would be cool if they brought in a female vocalists for Faythe's and Arabelle's parts. Nothing against James (I think he's phenomenal on TA), but if they were to make a big production for a DVD, why not bring in another vocalist as well to help differentiate between the male and female parts.
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I'd travel to see them if they did one show actually with the live choir and live orchestra. Which I think they basically have to do, so they can make a DVD of it. They have to know that would sell. RCMH? Another gig at the Boston Opera House with Berkelee's finest?
I'd travel too if they did a one-off show with an orchestra and choir (if it's in the US at least). If they do go all out with that, I also think it would be cool if they brought in a female vocalists for Faythe's and Arabelle's parts. Nothing against James (I think he's phenomenal on TA), but if they were to make a big production for a DVD, why not bring in another vocalist as well to help differentiate between the male and female parts.
I'd travel and plan a vacation around the ability to see Hymn of a Thousand Voices with full orchestra and choir. I agree. I think it'd be awesome if they got other singers for the female parts. I wouldn't think of it as a Dream Theater DVD, more so a musical theater performance featuring Dream Theater... If that makes sense.
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I'd definitely consider traveling to see the show if they did that.