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Title: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2016, 08:08:58 AM
2016 NFL THREAD

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2014 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40900.0
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Shot of the Broncos' championship parade. Those fans brought it! Very impressive.



It’s that time of year to start a new thread. The NFL has truly become something that can be discussed year around, with the way that the NFL schedules things, for people popping up in the news. On top of that, any number of debates could be brought up at any time.

A few of the upcoming dates:
March 9th – First day of the 2016 league year.
April 28th-30th – NFL Draft in Chicago (Tennessee is on the clock!)
September 8th – 2016 Season kick off game, Denver to host one of the following teams: KC, OAK, SD, HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, N.E.   
February 5th 2017 – Super Bowl LI, to be played in Houston.


A few of the changes:
The St. Louis Rams have relocated (back) to Los Angeles. They are coached by Jeff Fisher, who coincidently was the coach of the Oilers when they relocated from Houston to Tennessee (the last relocation).

New head coaches in Cleveland, Miami, New York (Giants), Philadelphia, San Francisco, Tampa Bay & Tennessee.

New Stadium for Minnesota.


Other talking points:
Will Peyton Manning retire?
What does the future hold for Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin & Johnny Manziel?
Will any of the big free agents go to new teams?
Will Goodell do anything to make us roll our eyes this offseason?
Which players coming back from injury, such as Jordy Nelson & Kelvin Benjamin, will have the biggest impact for their team?


And of course…. How are you feeling about your team right this second? What changes do they need to make for the 2016 campaign? Who should they target in free agency and in the draft?


We could also discuss other things like who has the sharpest uniforms/helmets, Mount Rushmore for each franchise…… Whatever’s clever!

P.S. - I included a poll where you can pick your favorite team, so that newbs and lurkers can know how we roll!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2016, 08:14:09 AM
Pats fan checking in.

Congrats to Denver!  On to 2016!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: 7deg_inner_happiness on February 10, 2016, 08:19:42 AM
Pats fan checking in.

Congrats to Denver!  On to 2016!!

Ditto.  And I think it will be N.E. to face-off against Denver on the 2016 NFL season opening night.
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Post by: kaos2900 on February 10, 2016, 08:21:02 AM
Bring on the new season! I'm ready to see how the Chiefs can keep improving after a very solid year.
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Post by: RoeDent on February 10, 2016, 08:22:16 AM
I will say this: I do think they're going to announce at some stage during this offseason that it will be Super Bowl 51 instead of Super Bowl LI. The main reason for giving 50 the Arabic numeral was that they couldn't design an aesthetically-pleasing logo with just an L. How are they gonna do it with just an I added on to that?
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2016, 08:24:03 AM
Pats fan checking in.

Congrats to Denver!  On to 2016!!

Ditto.  And I think it will be N.E. to face-off against Denver on the 2016 NFL season opening night.

I think opening night will be the SB repeat and Pats at Denver during the November sweeps.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2016, 08:25:10 AM
Pats fan checking in.

Congrats to Denver!  On to 2016!!

Ditto.  And I think it will be N.E. to face-off against Denver on the 2016 NFL season opening night.

I think opening night will be the SB repeat and Pats at Denver during the November sweeps.

I'm with you gentlemen. The league won't pass on the opportunity to open with a meeting of the last two SB Champs!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Tick on February 10, 2016, 09:08:00 AM
I have been a diehard Broncos fan for over 40 years! I am pumped were champs again!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 10, 2016, 09:18:25 AM
Pats fan checking in.

Congrats to Denver!  On to 2016!!

Ditto.  And I think it will be N.E. to face-off against Denver on the 2016 NFL season opening night.

I think opening night will be the SB repeat and Pats at Denver during the November sweeps.

I'm with you gentlemen. The league won't pass on the opportunity to open with a meeting of the last two SB Champs!

All things being equal, that would be great.  But I'm not sure it will have the same gravitas without Manning if he does in fact retire. 

Back to the OP:  I dunno, as with last season, I am somewhat "team-less."  I refuse to devote myself to the 49ers under the present ownership regime unless and until they give me a reason to.  I will still root for the Packers and Broncos because I have loved those teams for about 35 years.  And I will continue to root against Seattle and the Giants.  But without really having a team that I consider "my team," my interest level in the NFL has waned.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 09:54:26 AM
Why do the giants get your dislike?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
Why do the giants get your dislike?

I'll take 80's/Early 90's rivalry with the 49ers for $200, Alex.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 10, 2016, 10:24:56 AM
Yeah, just longstanding team rivalry.  And I don't like Eli. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 10:27:16 AM
Yeah, just longstanding team rivalry.  And I don't like Eli.

What's not to like about this guy?!

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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2016, 10:28:18 AM
Everything.

                                            Signed,
                                                        A Pats Fan. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2016, 10:43:17 AM
What the hell did I just read.....

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14747408/super-bowl-50-history-why-not-predict-next-25-super-bowl-winners
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2016, 10:54:45 AM
I saw that title and did not click on it. :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2016, 11:31:40 AM
All the regulars know I'm a Bronco's fan first and foremost.  I like the Cards, Pack, and Bills next.

Will Peyton Manning retire? He'd be an idiot not to.  He's not an idiot.  Ergo, I have to believe he's retiring.

What does the future hold for Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin & Johnny Manziel? Brock... I think he could trend the way Rodgers did... was an understudy that took a while to get the reigns, and eventually became "Elite".

Will any of the big free agents go to new teams? :dunno:

Will Goodell do anything to make us roll our eyes this offseason?  Give it time

Which players coming back from injury, such as Jordy Nelson & Kelvin Benjamin, will have the biggest impact for their team?  Nelson - for sure.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: kaos2900 on February 10, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
I wish people would just stop talking about Manziel. Regardless of his issues he will NEVER make it in the NFL. I've seen the media be so obsessed over a nobody since Tebow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2016, 11:46:53 AM

Will Peyton Manning retire? He'd be an idiot not to.  He's not an idiot.  Ergo, I have to believe he's retiring.


I think he plays next year. As much sense as it would make for him to go out on top, I think for him... he wants to prove that he can still play at a high level.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 11:50:42 AM
If I were Peyton, I'd go out on top.  It's not worth risking injury when you have nothing to prove.  He already proved he can still play at a high level by leading the broncos to a SB. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2016, 12:00:17 PM
if by "leading" you mean "following the defense", then yes, I agree.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2016, 12:02:30 PM
First SB that didn't have a passing TD. In this day and era that is, dare I say it, astonishing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 12:03:27 PM
if by "leading" you mean "following the defense", then yes, I agree.

Sure, but he was still the leader of that team at that stage.  But I know what you mean, he wasn't exactly the reason they won, which is why I think he should retire. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2016, 01:00:31 PM
if by "leading" you mean "following the defense", then yes, I agree.

Sure, but he was still the leader of that team at that stage.  But I know what you mean, he wasn't exactly the reason they won, which is why I think he should retire.

Fair point.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 10, 2016, 01:01:00 PM
Will Peyton Manning retire?
Hopefully.  I love him, but he is a shadow of his former self.  It seems like it's a perfect time.

What does the future hold for Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin & Johnny Manziel?
The first two probably have a certain amount of success to look forward to.

The other two will be lucky to remain in the league.

Will Goodell do anything to make us roll our eyes this offseason?
Probably.

Which players coming back from injury, such as Jordy Nelson & Kelvin Benjamin, will have the biggest impact for their team?
Benjamin coming back should have a positive impact on the Panthers.  We did great with what we had, but were without that bona fide stud at WR, and it hurt us in the Super Bowl.  Of course, him coming back means someone else will have to go, but them's the breaks.

And of course…. How are you feeling about your team right this second? What changes do they need to make for the 2016 campaign? Who should they target in free agency and in the draft?
I feel great about the Panthers.  The coaching and talent is there; the biggest thing they need is experience, and they got a shit load of it this season.

They definitely need help on the offensive line, and could use an improvement in their receivers and safeties.  Otherwise, they are solid, roster-wise.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
I think there is no chance in hell that Peyton comes back.  He knows he is done physically, and he's smart enough to know that he'll never get a better ending than he did on Sunday.

As for Osweiler, I'd be fine with him as the Broncos QB.  He needs to learn to not hold the ball so long sometimes, and his red zone efficiency needs to get a lot better, but he's in a perfect spot; Kubiak is a great coach for quarterbacks.

As a Broncos fan, I'll be curious to see a) how many starters they lose from that defense, and b) if Demaryius Thomas pulls his head out of his ass next year and plays like an elite WR again.

I think the Panthers will have a SB hangover, but they should still be in the mix next year. Too much talent not to be.  They should have a much tougher schedule, though.


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Post by: splent on February 11, 2016, 05:25:20 AM
I'm going to try and head down to the draft this year. Probably not actually go, but do some of the activities they have outside.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 11, 2016, 09:48:42 AM
Other talking points:
Will Peyton Manning retire?
What does the future hold for Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin & Johnny Manziel?
Will any of the big free agents go to new teams?
Will Goodell do anything to make us roll our eyes this offseason?
Which players coming back from injury, such as Jordy Nelson & Kelvin Benjamin, will have the biggest impact for their team?


And of course…. How are you feeling about your team right this second? What changes do they need to make for the 2016 campaign? Who should they target in free agency and in the draft?


We could also discuss other things like who has the sharpest uniforms/helmets, Mount Rushmore for each franchise…… Whatever’s clever!

I don't know if Peyton will retire but I know he should.

If Peyton retires I think the Broncos will bring back Brock. Kirk Cousins is staying in Washington. The other two idk.

Every year a big free agent changes teams so I would be more surprised if it didn't happen.

Goodell usually reacts in a stupid matter to big scandals so if nothing happens then he should be fine.

Jordy Nelson returning will be huge for the Packers. Had he been on the field in Arizona, Green Bay might have won that game.

I'm feeling pretty good about my Jets. They had a good season but fell short of the playoffs. The big concern this offseason is trying to resign as many key free agents as possible. They don't have much cap space to work with so the GM is gonna have to get creative with money or hope guys will take a hometown discount. Other than that, I can see Gang Green improving on last season and possibly making the playoffs.



Sharpest uniforms and helmets: The Chargers throwbacks are the best uniforms in the entire NFL but if we're going off of regular uniforms, the Lions Honolulu blue is just a pleasure to look at.

Teams Mount Rushmore: I can really only speak for the Jets, but I think it would be Joe Namath, Don Maynard, Joe Klecko, and Curtis Martin.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2016, 09:50:38 AM
Oh, as an aside, regarding the thread title:  when my Mom came to our Super Bowl party, she told me she had almost picked up some Orange Crush to bring, but then decided not to, because of the name association.  I assured her that no one other than me and her would have made the connection.

But I lol'd.

Also, no more throwback uniforms ever again for any team ever.  Yeah, a couple are cool, but most are awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2016, 09:52:43 AM
Also, no more throwback uniforms ever again for any team ever.  Yeah, a couple are cool, but most are awful.

I think the Steelers are perhaps the sole team whose throwbacks are so awful that they are awesome.  (talking about the bumblebee Stryper throwbacks)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
There is nothing awesome about them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2016, 09:54:30 AM
Denver's strip ones were awful as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: pogoowner on February 11, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
I like Tampa Bay's (I think they're much better than their regular uniforms). But I'm probably the only one.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
Really?  Tampa's "new" uniforms are among my favorite in the league.  Their old ones are among the worst I have seen, old or new, IMO.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2016, 10:13:34 AM
Really?  Tampa's "new" uniforms are among my favorite in the league.  Their old ones are among the worst I have seen, old or new, IMO.
Agreed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2016, 10:26:13 AM
The Creamsicle uniforms were horrible.
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Post by: pogoowner on February 11, 2016, 10:42:39 AM
As I said, I'm the only one. :lol

I'm not a fan of their current uniforms. I hate the numbers.
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Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2016, 10:44:33 AM
Hey, I just picked up on that "Team Mount Rushmore" thing; I like that a LOT!!

Patriots:  Belichick, Brady, Hannah, Wilfork   If not Belichick, then Gronkowski
Giants:    Gifford, Manning, Taylor, Strahan
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
Panthers don't have the long history of most teams, but their "Mt. Rushmore" would probably look like:

Jake Delhomme, Sam Mills, Cam Newton, maybe Kevin Greene
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 11, 2016, 11:08:14 AM
Panthers don't have the long history of most teams, but their "Mt. Rushmore" would probably look like:

Jake Delhomme, Sam Mills, Cam Newton, maybe Kevin Greene

I think Steve Smith should be in there. He's who I think of when I think of greatest Panther of all time. Cam and Luke certainly have the potential to surpass him.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 11, 2016, 11:24:39 AM
Broncos:  Elway, TD, Smith, Sharpe
Bills:  Kelly, Smith, Reed, Thomas
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2016, 11:29:14 AM
Panthers don't have the long history of most teams, but their "Mt. Rushmore" would probably look like:

Jake Delhomme, Sam Mills, Cam Newton, maybe Kevin Greene

I think Steve Smith should be in there. He's who I think of when I think of greatest Panther of all time. Cam and Luke certainly have the potential to surpass him.

Should surprise no one that I would have Steve Smith and even Julius Peppers in there over Cam Newton.  Newton WILL be there if he continues to play like he did this year, but one season, and a season that ended like it did, doesn't get you on Mt. Rushmore, in my humble opinion.

HUGE fan of Jake and especially Sam Mills (I wonder how many fans - including Panther fans - know the backstory of why Stephen Curry was there banging the drum), though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
The only reason I included Cam was the MVP.  That's a pretty big bit of bling that, for a team with Carolina's relative brevity, is hard to ignore.

Maybe Steve Smith over Kevin Greene.  That was my toss-up.  Otherwise, and I mean this with all sincerity, John Kasay would be a great choice (yes, he was a kicker).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 11, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
My  Mount Play60s  for the AFC teams. Will do NFC later.

Didn't bother with coaches or owners. Just players.
 
Bills - OJ Simpson, Bruce Smith, Andre Reed, Jim Kelly
Dolphins - Dan Marino, Bob Griese, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas
Patriots - Tom Brady, John Hannah, Andre Tippett, Tedy Bruschi
Jets - Joe Namath, Darrell Revis, Curtis Martin, Don Maynard
 
Ravens – Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Ed Reed, Joe Flacco
Bengals – Anthony Munoz, Ken Riley, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson,
Browns – Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Ozzie Newsome, Joe Thomas
Steelers – Jack Lambert, Franco Harris, Joe Green, Troy Polamalu

Texans – J.J. Watt, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Owen Daniels
Colts – Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Raymond Berry, John Mackey
Jaguars – Tony Boselli, Mark Brunell, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jimmy Smith
Titans – Bruce Matthews, Earl Campbell, Steve McNair, Warren Moon,

Broncos – John Elway, Shannon Sharpe, Terrell Davis, Von Miller
Chiefs – Derrick Thomas, Tony Gonzalez, Will Shields, Len Dawson
Raiders – Tim Brown, Marcus Allen, Ken Stabler, Jim Otto
Chargers – Junior Seau, LaDainian Tomlinson,Kellen Winslow Sr, Ron Mix
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2016, 01:10:03 PM
Pats -- Tom Brady, John Hannah, Ty Law, Andre Tippett
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
The only reason I included Cam was the MVP.  That's a pretty big bit of bling that, for a team with Carolina's relative brevity, is hard to ignore.

Maybe Steve Smith over Kevin Greene.  That was my toss-up.  Otherwise, and I mean this with all sincerity, John Kasay would be a great choice (yes, he was a kicker).

Don't apologize for Kasay.  I strongly considered Viniateri AND Gostkowski for the Pats (and, ironically, that they both played for the team was in part what led me to leave both off the list). 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
Kasay was awesome.  Still one of my favorite Panthers ever.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
49ers:  Lots of candidates, and while there are certainly good arguments to be made for players like Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, and Dwight Clark, I think the "big 4" for a Mt. Rushmore are easily Montana, Rice, Young, Walsh.  No doubts, hesitation, or second-guessing.

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Some teams that I think are much harder to do are teams like the Packers, Colts, and Cowboys.  Curious to know whether anyone would disagree with these lists:

Packers:  Lombardi, Starr, Favre, Rodgers.  Lombardi is a slam-dunk, and once you get past him, I know this is a QB-heavy list to the exclusion of other positions.  But I think there is a VERY strong case for inclusion of all three of those guys.

Cowboys:  Landry, Staubach, Lilly, Aikman.  This was a LOT harder, partly because they have such a long history and so many talented players, and partly because I have never been a fan.  Another wrinkle is that they had a few players that were stars that were just as much stars elsewhere long before or long after their stays in Dallas, like Sanders and Hailey.  What do you do with guys like that?  Also, what about guys like Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 11, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
No way Rodgers is ahead of the Reverand.

I think Emmitt should be on Dallas' Mt Rushmore. Not sure who you bump though.
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Post by: pogoowner on February 11, 2016, 03:41:31 PM
49ers:  Lots of candidates, and while there are certainly good arguments to be made for players like Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, and Dwight Clark, I think the "big 4" for a Mt. Rushmore are easily Montana, Rice, Young, Walsh.  No doubts, hesitation, or second-guessing.
Assuming we're including coaches, yes, that exactly what I would have chosen. If not, I'd slide Ronnie Lott in to replace Walsh.
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 11, 2016, 05:28:15 PM
My Eagles Mt. Rushmore:
Reggie White, Chuck Bednarik, Brian Dawkins, Randall Cunningham

I think the first 3 are locks and I went with Cunningham because of personal preference, but a bunch of people could've been in that 4 spot (Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, McNabb, Norm Van Brocklin).
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Post by: DebraKadabra on February 11, 2016, 08:17:18 PM
Other talking points:
Will Peyton Manning retire?
What does the future hold for Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin & Johnny Manziel?
Will any of the big free agents go to new teams?
Will Goodell do anything to make us roll our eyes this offseason?
Which players coming back from injury, such as Jordy Nelson & Kelvin Benjamin, will have the biggest impact for their team?


And of course…. How are you feeling about your team right this second? What changes do they need to make for the 2016 campaign? Who should they target in free agency and in the draft?

1.  Peyton most likely should retire, but my guess is that he might not. We shall see.
2.  Not sure about Osweiler. Cousins? He'll probably stay where he's at for now. Griffin and Manziel will b lucky to still have jobs in the NFL. Manziel especially--what a shithook.
3.  There most assuredly will be movement--there always is. Again... we shall see.
4.  When does Goody-Two-Shoes NOT make us roll our eyes?
5.  Most likely, Nelson especially.
6.  The Texans need help. DESPERATELY. You cannot put everything on Watt's shoulders and expect good results. The biggest change I wish for is for McNair to fire Rick Smith. Smith has been making HORRIBLE staff decisions, and I'm not the only Texans fan calling for his head on a platter.  We need either a good free agent QB or a decent draft QB to build up. I've been saying this since 2012--we NEED a field general, not a schlub who doesn't anticipate the other team's defense sussing the play calls out. Oh... and the O-line needs to shore up as well, instead of being like a piece of Swiss cheese. It's unacceptable that we get facerolled in the REALLY BIG games. I'm tired of that happening. Not sure who is at fault there, but it needs to stop. Being one of the best losing teams in the AFC is really getting old. Been dealing with that since the "Luv Ya Blue" days--that was going on 40 years ago. It's time. We need a true TEAM to get to the big dance, instead of continually being the laughing stock.

Ugh. Sorry for the rant. :lol
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Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2016, 07:03:53 AM
My Eagles Mt. Rushmore:
Reggie White, Chuck Bednarik, Brian Dawkins, Randall Cunningham

I think the first 3 are locks and I went with Cunningham because of personal preference, but a bunch of people could've been in that 4 spot (Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, McNabb, Norm Van Brocklin).

ANYONE but McNabb.  I'd put Jaws over McNabb.  He did more with less.
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 12, 2016, 07:54:48 AM
I'm no McNabb fan by any means, but he does hold pretty much every franchise QB record.
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 12, 2016, 09:42:15 AM
Masochistic Jets fan (redundant?) reporting for duty. As much as I hated being kept out of the playoffs by Rex in week 17, gotta be happy with a six win jump in one year. Definitely a tougher offseason for us budget-wise than last year, but I'm encouraged by the Maccagnan/Bowles tandem. DoC pretty much nailed my Jets Rushmore, though I might consider subbing in someone from the Sack Exchange for Maynard just for generational variety.

Pats -- Tom Brady, John Hannah, Ty Law, Andre Tippett

What, no room for Jim McNally?  :biggrin: :angel:
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 10:34:06 AM
Masochistic Jets fan (redundant?) reporting for duty. As much as I hated being kept out of the playoffs by Rex in week 17, gotta be happy with a six win jump in one year. Definitely a tougher offseason for us budget-wise than last year, but I'm encouraged by the Maccagnan/Bowles tandem. DoC pretty much nailed my Jets Rushmore, though I might consider subbing in someone from the Sack Exchange for Maynard just for generational variety.

Pats -- Tom Brady, John Hannah, Ty Law, Andre Tippett

What, no room for Jim McNally?  :biggrin: :angel:

What makes me happy is a Jets fan knows the Pats Equipment staff's name.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2016, 11:51:24 AM
People usually remember the people that violated them.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 12, 2016, 12:01:16 PM
I remember you.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 12:07:23 PM
People usually remember the people that violated them.

We violate them every year.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
I remember you.

(https://dc142.4shared.com/img/LuzbMGog/1273ce411a0/SKID_ROW_-_I_REMEMBER_YOU)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 12, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Dammit
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 01:59:18 PM
Leave it to a Canuck to quote a Canuck lead singer.

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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 12, 2016, 02:00:21 PM
At least it was a pretty one.


wait
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
Even I can't deny that.

I'm already missing football.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 12, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
:lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2016, 02:16:40 PM
At least it was a pretty one.


wait

I totally would've switch-hit for 1989 pre-ape-shit-crazy Bach.  Dat head of hair!!!
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Post by: bosk1 on February 12, 2016, 02:25:43 PM
At least it was a pretty one.


wait

I totally would've switch-hit for 1989 pre-ape-shit-crazy Bach Michael Sweet.  Dat head of hair!!!

Yeah, I hear you.

Wait...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 12, 2016, 02:26:55 PM
White Lion?
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2016, 02:31:45 PM
White Lion?

(https://i4.ytimg.com/vi/OGAu_DeKckI/default.jpg)

@ Bosk, or me?  Or trolling?   :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 02:32:17 PM
One more time guys.

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Post by: axeman90210 on February 12, 2016, 04:31:15 PM
People usually remember the people that violated them.

We violate them every year.

Come on now, we split our games this season.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2016, 05:02:20 PM
Yep, and that win over the Pats in week 16 helped the Broncos get home field, and ultimately the Super Bowl, so a big thanks to the Jets from this Broncos fan! :tup :tup

As for the Broncos Mount Rushmore, the first three are easy:

Elway, Sharpe and Terrell Davis.

The 4th is a toss-up between Peyton, Atwater and Von Miller.  You almost have to have one from their current run (look at their record the last four years), so either Peyton or Miller.  Close call. 
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 06:09:55 PM
The Jets weren't the reason. We also had the Philly game and the Dolphins.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
Yep, and that win over the Pats in week 16 helped the Broncos get home field, and ultimately the Super Bowl, so a big thanks to the Jets from this Broncos fan! :tup :tup

As for the Broncos Mount Rushmore, the first three are easy:

Elway, Sharpe and Terrell Davis.

The 4th is a toss-up between Peyton, Atwater and Von Miller.  You almost have to have one from their current run (look at their record the last four years), so either Peyton or Miller.  Close call.

Agree on the Jets love!

I don't think I can put Peyton there, as I really feel that a 'Mt Rushmore' list deserves to have players that were career players for that team - or at least the height of their career.  Sure, 2013 was Peyton's career year, but he'll always be known as a Colt first, Bronco second.  I debated Atwater, but leaned towards Smith instead.  3-4 more years, and I'm sure Miller will be the natural #4 choice - all-time leader in pretty much every receiving measurement.
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Post by: Dream Team on February 12, 2016, 06:50:10 PM
I wonder how many of those NE fans were fans before 2001.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 07:04:59 PM
I wonder how many of those NE fans were fans before 2001.

I'm tired of hearing this. You do know the Pats had fans before 2001. Btw I was a season ticket holder from 1986  to 2012.  What you said is bullshit. 
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
People usually remember the people that violated them.

We violate them every year.

Come on now, we split our games this season.

You know I'm razing. I think their in great hands with Bowles.  They should have made the playoffs.
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Post by: splent on February 12, 2016, 10:31:33 PM
Packers: You could go name more in any of their three eras (as I put them):
Lambeau Years (20s-40s): Lambeau, Hudson, Canadeo, McNally
The Lombardi Renaissance (60s): Lombardi, Starr, Nitschke, Kramer (or Hornung, or Wood, or....)
Modern Era (90s-present): Favre, White, Rodgers, Woodson (I almost put Ron Wolf as one)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 13, 2016, 04:13:34 AM
White Lion?

(https://i4.ytimg.com/vi/OGAu_DeKckI/default.jpg)

@ Bosk, or me?  Or trolling?   :lol

Wait...
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 13, 2016, 04:24:24 AM
:lolpalm:

Can't believe I missed that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 13, 2016, 04:36:03 AM
Well, you're getting older.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2016, 09:48:57 AM
The Jets weren't the reason. We also had the Philly game and the Dolphins.

I know, but it was more fun this way. :biggrin:


I don't think I can put Peyton there, as I really feel that a 'Mt Rushmore' list deserves to have players that were career players for that team - or at least the height of their career.  Sure, 2013 was Peyton's career year, but he'll always be known as a Colt first, Bronco second.  I debated Atwater, but leaned towards Smith instead.  3-4 more years, and I'm sure Miller will be the natural #4 choice - all-time leader in pretty much every receiving measurement.

Makes sense, regarding Peyton being thought of as a Colt more than a Bronco.

I was always a big Rod Smith fan, so love for him is always encouraged by me. :P

Packers: You could go name more in any of their three eras (as I put them):
Lambeau Years (20s-40s): Lambeau, Hudson, Canadeo, McNally
The Lombardi Renaissance (60s): Lombardi, Starr, Nitschke, Kramer (or Hornung, or Wood, or....)
Modern Era (90s-present): Favre, White, Rodgers, Woodson (I almost put Ron Wolf as one)

How can you possible leave out Jermichael Finley? ;)
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 16, 2016, 04:45:49 PM
Jerod Mayo retires a Patriot. Last 3 years he had 3 big injuries.   Thank you Jerod.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2016, 06:12:46 PM
So last night I flew into Denver International Airport, I was waiting outside a gate for my coworker arriving from Los Angeles.  As his flight arrives, the first person off gets a police escort and a bunch of people following him and taking pictures.  Turns out it was Von Miller returning to Denver from the Grammys in LA.  I got a picture of him waiting for his luggage  :lol
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Post by: KevShmev on February 17, 2016, 06:51:33 PM
Nice.

I got my Super Bowl gear in the mail today.  New championship hoodie and snow cap. :coolio :hat
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 17, 2016, 06:52:28 PM
Post the pics Kev. 
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Post by: KevShmev on February 17, 2016, 06:56:19 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/12715981_10208572319696567_5130803943423320001_o_zpsrhxjns3c.jpg)
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 17, 2016, 07:05:22 PM
I hated the white hats we had last year. I love the darker colors.   Those look sweet.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 17, 2016, 08:02:33 PM
Yep, I was going for different.  My Blues hoodie and the Broncos one I have had for years are both blue, so it is nice to have a gray one now.  :coolio
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Post by: Dream Team on February 18, 2016, 07:21:59 AM
I wonder how many of those NE fans were fans before 2001.

I'm tired of hearing this. You do know the Pats had fans before 2001. Btw I was a season ticket holder from 1986  to 2012.  What you said is bullshit.

Not singling you out by any means, just find the results peculiar.

How high would the NE% have to be before you were suspicious and suspected a band-wagon influence?
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 18, 2016, 07:55:30 AM
In the 70's they were sold out or close to from mid 70's on. The 80's were good as well until Flutie left and the team got bad.  Then in the 90'same it wasn't until Bill Parcells came in and every game since he came in has been sold out. 

The only option fans have to show their displeasure to how a team is being run is not to go.  It worked here in N.E.  It's a wake up call to owners.
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Post by: Rattlehead on February 23, 2016, 08:27:34 PM
Nice.

I got my Super Bowl gear in the mail today.  New championship hoodie and snow cap. :coolio :hat

I just got my gear in the mail the other day too. Got myself a shirt and hat. Still extremely stoked about the win  :metal
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Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
Nice.

I got my Super Bowl gear in the mail today.  New championship hoodie and snow cap. :coolio :hat

I just got my gear in the mail the other day too. Got myself a shirt and hat. Still extremely stoked about the win  :metal

 :coolio :hat
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Post by: Stadler on February 24, 2016, 07:36:14 AM
I wonder how many of those NE fans were fans before 2001.

I'm tired of hearing this. You do know the Pats had fans before 2001. Btw I was a season ticket holder from 1986  to 2012.  What you said is bullshit.

I did a book report in elementary school (for our non-US readers, that's Kindergarten through fifth grade, or about 5 years old to about 11 years old; I'm now 48) on Jim Plunkett and Randy Vataha.   Not quite Manning and Harrison or Montana and Rice, but there you go. 
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 24, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
48 in 2 weeks Stadler. We ran the same roads.

I loved Hog Hannah and Sam Bam Cunningham.   Steve Grogan was tough as nails. Stanley Morgan, Andre Tippet, ect...
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Post by: 7deg_inner_happiness on February 25, 2016, 06:14:54 AM
I've been a non-wavering NE fan through a lot of losing seasons since I was a tot.  My dad took me to my first game in 1976 at Schaefer Stadium when I was 14.  I remember having a great time despite the final score:
Orange Crush 38, Pats 14
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Post by: contest_sanity on February 26, 2016, 09:04:27 AM
The 4th is a toss-up between Peyton, Atwater and Von Miller.  You almost have to have one from their current run (look at their record the last four years), so either Peyton or Miller.  Close call.
No love for Champ Bailey? I went to the same high school as him... and also he was a great player, lol
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Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2016, 11:04:46 PM
Chap was awesome and would be in my 2nd tier for the Broncos Mount Rushmore.  :coolio

Speaking of the Broncos, next season their home games are against:

• Chargers
• Chiefs
• Raiders
• Colts
• Texans
• Falcons
• Panthers
• Patriots

Which leads to the question: who will they host on that Thursday night game in week 1?

I'd be surprised if they do a divisional game; the Colts game won't have the same allure once Peyton retires; neither the Falcons nor the Texans are marquee enough for opening night.

Which leaves the Patriots or Panthers.  I'd be surprised if they do Broncos/Patriots that early in the season, so I think the odds are in favor of a rematch between the Broncos and Panthers. 
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Post by: Accelerando on February 27, 2016, 11:20:29 PM
Wow, why is everyone writing off RGIII, saying he won't have another job in the NFL? He'll compete and play for another team. He is still liked across the league, despite how the Redskins treated him. Still makes me mad how Coach Gruen treated him in the media
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2016, 04:28:18 AM
From what I read he became a cancer in the locker room and when the other players back another QB that questions his leadership with any team.

Kev, couldn't agree any more.   Broncos/Pats with be in the November sweeps. It will be the Panthers opening night.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2016, 08:09:27 AM
Wow, why is everyone writing off RGIII, saying he won't have another job in the NFL? He'll compete and play for another team. He is still liked across the league, despite how the Redskins treated him. Still makes me mad how Coach Gruen treated him in the media

Well, he did act like quite the drama queen for a while there in Washington, and then there is the big question of whether he can still be a good QB or not.  His knee was seemingly never the same after 2012 and that appeared to wreck his confidence.  An RG3 who cannot use his legs to make plays is not the RG3 we know, and if he becomes just a pocket passer, the jury is still out as to whether he can pull that off.  He needs to go somewhere with a coach who believes in him 100% and can build his confidence back up.

Kev, couldn't agree any more.   Broncos/Pats with be in the November sweeps. It will be the Panthers opening night.

That'd be great. I'd love to see our defense make Cam Newton look like a chump again to start off the season. :tup :tup
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 28, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
From what I read he became a cancer in the locker room and when the other players back another QB that questions his leadership with any team.

Kev, couldn't agree any more.   Broncos/Pats with be in the November sweeps. It will be the Panthers opening night.

Supposedly RGIII handled this final season like a true professional. It shows signs of maturity and combining that with his immense talent and a coaching staff that will use him properly is a recipe for success.

As for the second point, it has to be the Panthers. It's not often that a Super Bowl rematch can happen on opening night. The league would be foolish to pass up the opportunity just for the Patriots even if that game is prime time material. Pats/Broncos isn't as interesting if Peyton retires anyway.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2016, 11:24:07 AM
I read that too but he had to knowing he would have a chance to be on another team.  Now I hope he does mature and gets another chance but if no he will dissappear from this league.
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Post by: splent on February 28, 2016, 11:31:41 AM
It's official now, Peyton is done. /obvious

RGIII needs to calm down and go somewhere where he can feel appreciated and needed but not tolerate the drama. Idk where that is right now.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
He doesn't need to feel appreciated,  he needs to prove himself to his new teammates and fans wherever that might be.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 01, 2016, 11:32:01 AM
I'm still saying that Manning does not retire this year. We shall see.


Folks starting to get tagged... Von Miller, Kirk Cousins...
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 01, 2016, 11:38:17 AM
Brady extends for 2 more years until 2019 for cheap money. 
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 01, 2016, 11:44:32 AM
Brady extends for 2 more years until 2019 for cheap money.

He knows what it takes to build/keep a competitive team around him, that's for sure.
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Post by: kaos2900 on March 01, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
I just for the life of me can't understand why Peyton would play another year.
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 01, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Brady extends for 2 more years until 2019 for cheap money.

He knows what it takes to build/keep a competitive team around him, that's for sure.

I know it helps who he married but he does get it.  It's the rings and the stats that will live on.  He has plenty of money.  That being said, I don't think I would do it but maybe that would change if I made millions.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2016, 12:06:53 PM
And the Panthers slap the franchise tag on Josh Norman (as expected).
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Post by: KevShmev on March 01, 2016, 04:29:54 PM
I just for the life of me can't understand why Peyton would play another year.

I get that it has to be tough to step away from the game you have been playing your whole life, but he's had enough to come to grips with it.  It's over!  He is done!  He needs to deal with it and retire already.  The Broncos had best not bring him back, if he does decide to play another year.

Brady extends for 2 more years until 2019 for cheap money.

He knows what it takes to build/keep a competitive team around him, that's for sure.

I know it helps who he married but he does get it.  It's the rings and the stats that will live on.  He has plenty of money.  That being said, I don't think I would do it but maybe that would change if I made millions.

I suspect Brady is smart enough to not be blowing his millions, and I doubt he is someone who would be broke in five years if he retired tomorrow, even if he was single, so taking less to help them put a better team around him is always the right move.  :tup :tup
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 01, 2016, 05:51:05 PM
Eagles resign Bradford. I like the two year deal part, but $18 mil per is way to much.
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Post by: pogoowner on March 01, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
Eagles resign Bradford. I like the two year deal part, but $18 mil per is way to much.
That's just how much starting QB's cost. You pay that much, or you don't have one.
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Post by: splent on March 01, 2016, 10:33:24 PM
It's already turning into Favre 2.0...
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Post by: kaos2900 on March 02, 2016, 06:43:01 AM
If Peyton does continue to play it won't be with the Bronco's. Elway is not going to pay him what he's due to get.
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Post by: Stadler on March 02, 2016, 07:01:22 AM
RGIII needs to calm down and go somewhere where he can feel appreciated and needed but not tolerate the drama. Idk where that is right now.

He doesn't need to feel appreciated,  he needs to prove himself to his new teammates and fans wherever that might be.

THIS.   Who the f*** cares whether he feels "appreciated" or not?  Shut up, strap on your pads, and go play hard nosed football.  THAT'S how you get "appreciated".   The fuck.  What next, is he going to want a participation trophy???    He - and guys like Manziel - are going to be "flashes in the pans" because people worried about "coddling them".  As much as I dislike him and call him a choker, they should take a lesson from Tony Romo.  THREE collar bone breaks, two in ONE YEAR, and what does he do?  Gets a steel plate inserted so he can continue to play football.  THAT'S how you become "appreciated". 
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Post by: Rattlehead on March 02, 2016, 08:16:27 AM
Eagles resign Bradford. I like the two year deal part, but $18 mil per is way to much.

My cousin is an Eagles fan so I've always rooted for them as my second team, and I am pleased that they brought Bradford back. He looked solid in an offense that Kelly did his best job to ruin after getting rid of most of their star players and bringing in a RB that clearly did not fit in his scheme. It is a lot of money but unfortunately that is pretty much the going rate for decent QBs today. My Broncos will have to overpay for Osweiler too if they want him back, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with that. I am definitely in favor of keeping Osweiler with a similar deal that Bradford got.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 02, 2016, 09:10:13 AM
The Ravens and Flacco have agreed to terms. Looking forward to seeing the numbers.
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 02, 2016, 09:24:13 AM
Eagles resign Bradford. I like the two year deal part, but $18 mil per is way to much.

My cousin is an Eagles fan so I've always rooted for them as my second team, and I am pleased that they brought Bradford back. He looked solid in an offense that Kelly did his best job to ruin after getting rid of most of their star players and bringing in a RB that clearly did not fit in his scheme. It is a lot of money but unfortunately that is pretty much the going rate for decent QBs today. My Broncos will have to overpay for Osweiler too if they want him back, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with that. I am definitely in favor of keeping Osweiler with a similar deal that Bradford got.
Honestly, I would rather throw money at Osweiler than Bradford. He's much younger and has shown about as much in just a few starts as Bradford has in 6 years.

However, with signing bonuses and such, apparently Bradford's cap number is only 12.5 mil this year, which I can definitely get on board about.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Rattlehead on March 02, 2016, 08:03:31 PM
Eagles resign Bradford. I like the two year deal part, but $18 mil per is way to much.

My cousin is an Eagles fan so I've always rooted for them as my second team, and I am pleased that they brought Bradford back. He looked solid in an offense that Kelly did his best job to ruin after getting rid of most of their star players and bringing in a RB that clearly did not fit in his scheme. It is a lot of money but unfortunately that is pretty much the going rate for decent QBs today. My Broncos will have to overpay for Osweiler too if they want him back, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with that. I am definitely in favor of keeping Osweiler with a similar deal that Bradford got.
Honestly, I would rather throw money at Osweiler than Bradford. He's much younger and has shown about as much in just a few starts as Bradford has in 6 years.

However, with signing bonuses and such, apparently Bradford's cap number is only 12.5 mil this year, which I can definitely get on board about.

Brock also got to sit comfortably behind Manning for several years and had weapons like Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders and Owen Daniels (to name a few) at his disposal once it was his time to start. He also got to work with Kubiak who works wonders with QBs with the kind of strengths that Brock has. Bradford on the other hand played on teams with sub par offenses (for the most part) and several different offensive coordinators. I can't think of many QBs that would have excelled on those teams. Bradford obviously has some durability issues which worries me but I'm expecting good things from him next season in Philly. I think the Pederson hiring was good for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 02, 2016, 08:12:24 PM
Eagles resign Bradford. I like the two year deal part, but $18 mil per is way to much.

My cousin is an Eagles fan so I've always rooted for them as my second team, and I am pleased that they brought Bradford back. He looked solid in an offense that Kelly did his best job to ruin after getting rid of most of their star players and bringing in a RB that clearly did not fit in his scheme. It is a lot of money but unfortunately that is pretty much the going rate for decent QBs today. My Broncos will have to overpay for Osweiler too if they want him back, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with that. I am definitely in favor of keeping Osweiler with a similar deal that Bradford got.
Honestly, I would rather throw money at Osweiler than Bradford. He's much younger and has shown about as much in just a few starts as Bradford has in 6 years.

However, with signing bonuses and such, apparently Bradford's cap number is only 12.5 mil this year, which I can definitely get on board about.

Brock also got to sit comfortably behind Manning for several years and had weapons like Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders and Owen Daniels (to name a few) at his disposal once it was his time to start. He also got to work with Kubiak who works wonders with QBs with the kind of strengths that Brock has. Bradford on the other hand played on teams with sub par offenses (for the most part) and several different offensive coordinators. I can't think of many QBs that would have excelled on those teams. Bradford obviously has some durability issues which worries me but I'm expecting good things from him next season in Philly. I think the Pederson hiring was good for him.
All good points  :tup

Not winning a Super Bowl in 50 years tends to make you pessimistic about these things, but hopefully you're right  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: pogoowner on March 03, 2016, 07:20:15 AM
Brock also got to sit comfortably behind Manning for several years and had weapons like Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders and Owen Daniels (to name a few) at his disposal once it was his time to start. He also got to work with Kubiak who works wonders with QBs with the kind of strengths that Brock has. Bradford on the other hand played on teams with sub par offenses (for the most part) and several different offensive coordinators. I can't think of many QBs that would have excelled on those teams. Bradford obviously has some durability issues which worries me but I'm expecting good things from him next season in Philly. I think the Pederson hiring was good for him.
I'm not a big Sam Bradford fan by any means, but that guy has never, ever had any good receivers in his entire career. Or a good offensive cast/system, period.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 03, 2016, 08:24:27 AM
Panthers release DE Charles Johnson in a salary cap move (saves $11 million).  That's too bad, I've always liked Charles, but he missed most of last season with an injury.  Oh well.

Texans release RB Arian Foster.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2016, 09:49:36 AM
And your  :-\  quote of the day is brought to you by Marvin Harrison:

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Marvin Harrison doesn't care that Terrell Owens feels "disrespected" because he didn't get into the Hall of Fame this year.

"The person who was supposed to get in got in. And that was me," Harrison told the Talk of Fame Network. "If he didn't get in, that's his problem. He can talk all that other bull---- like he's been doing. That's on him. But I'm in. My jacket is gold. I will look in the rear view for nobody.

"So he can get his ass in whenever he gets in ... if he gets in. If he doesn't get in, too bad. The hell with him.''

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14892667/marvin-harrison-care-owens-gets-hall-fame


Harrison can thank his lucky stars that he had Peyton Manning throwing to him during his career.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 03, 2016, 10:39:49 AM
True.  But I think this says more about how the rest of the NFL players thought of TO than anything else.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2016, 10:43:43 AM
T.O.'s well deserved reputation notwithstanding, I still find Harrison's commentary comical. This was Harrison's 3rd year of eligibility and Owen's first. The first year Harrison didn't make it, Andre Reed did. I guess "The person who was supposed to get in got in" that year as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 03, 2016, 10:50:37 AM
Yeah, I guess he did.  And I'm not sure that Harrison would dispute that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 03, 2016, 12:12:12 PM
Harrison can thank his lucky stars that he had Peyton Manning throwing to him during his career.

....or.....Peyton can thank his lucky stars he was throwing to Harrison all those years? I get what you're saying but you can say it about them all. Who was more important, Jerry Rice or Joe Montana? Superstars are superstars and Harrison set himself above the rest and he deserves it. TO was good and maybe he'll get in one day, but he wasn't a first ballot HOF player
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: kaos2900 on March 03, 2016, 12:39:10 PM
Harrison can thank his lucky stars that he had Peyton Manning throwing to him during his career.

....or.....Peyton can thank his lucky stars he was throwing to Harrison all those years? I get what you're saying but you can say it about them all. Who was more important, Jerry Rice or Joe Montana? Superstars are superstars and Harrison set himself above the rest and he deserves it. TO was good and maybe he'll get in one day, but he wasn't a first ballot HOF player

This. Regardless of who is throwing the ball the WR has to a)get open b)catch the ball. Harrison deserved to get in. There is no way TO is or was a first ballot. Honestly, I don't think he'll ever get in.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: pogoowner on March 03, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
Harrison can thank his lucky stars that he had Peyton Manning throwing to him during his career.

....or.....Peyton can thank his lucky stars he was throwing to Harrison all those years? I get what you're saying but you can say it about them all. Who was more important, Jerry Rice or Joe Montana? Superstars are superstars and Harrison set himself above the rest and he deserves it. TO was good and maybe he'll get in one day, but he wasn't a first ballot HOF player

This. Regardless of who is throwing the ball the WR has to a)get open b)catch the ball. Harrison deserved to get in. There is no way TO is or was a first ballot. Honestly, I don't think he'll ever get in.
Terrell Owens's on field performance was equal to or greater than Marvin Harrison's.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 04, 2016, 05:29:18 AM
Harrison can thank his lucky stars that he had Peyton Manning throwing to him during his career.

....or.....Peyton can thank his lucky stars he was throwing to Harrison all those years? I get what you're saying but you can say it about them all. Who was more important, Jerry Rice or Joe Montana? Superstars are superstars and Harrison set himself above the rest and he deserves it. TO was good and maybe he'll get in one day, but he wasn't a first ballot HOF player

This. Regardless of who is throwing the ball the WR has to a)get open b)catch the ball. Harrison deserved to get in. There is no way TO is or was a first ballot. Honestly, I don't think he'll ever get in.
Terrell Owens's on field performance was equal to or greater than Marvin Harrison's.

Bingo.... and that's without having the benefit of a QB the likes of Manning (aside from Steve Young in the early years)

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 04, 2016, 07:12:58 AM
Yeah, but he was enough of an asshat that I never believed for a second that he would get in on the first ballot.

His numbers were such that he will most likely get in eventually.  But I won't lose any sleep over it, because he was not just a "me FIRST" player, he was a "me ONLY" player.  So screw him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 04, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
Yeah, but he was enough of an asshat that I never believed for a second that he would get in on the first ballot.

His numbers were such that he will most likely get in eventually.  But I won't lose any sleep over it, because he was not just a "me FIRST" player, he was a "me ONLY" player.  So screw him.

I agree. And even without the attitude, there's been a logjam at the WR position for quite some time now. I think T.O. getting in in 2018 would be just fine.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: pogoowner on March 04, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
Harrison can thank his lucky stars that he had Peyton Manning throwing to him during his career.

....or.....Peyton can thank his lucky stars he was throwing to Harrison all those years? I get what you're saying but you can say it about them all. Who was more important, Jerry Rice or Joe Montana? Superstars are superstars and Harrison set himself above the rest and he deserves it. TO was good and maybe he'll get in one day, but he wasn't a first ballot HOF player

This. Regardless of who is throwing the ball the WR has to a)get open b)catch the ball. Harrison deserved to get in. There is no way TO is or was a first ballot. Honestly, I don't think he'll ever get in.
Terrell Owens's on field performance was equal to or greater than Marvin Harrison's.

Bingo.... and that's without having the benefit of a QB the likes of Manning (aside from Steve Young in the early years)
His performance was actually pretty remarkable. You always hear the negatives of him switching teams, but he was extremely successful for a number of different teams/systems/quarterbacks. No dropoff whatsoever. I'm not going to claim that Marvin Harrison was just a "system guy," but Owens definitely wasn't.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on March 06, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
Tomorrow it will be officially official - https://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29602419/peyton-manning-retires-football-denver-broncos
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2016, 12:17:51 PM
'Bout damn time. :lol

It'll be a bit strange at first watching football on Sundays with no Peyton Manning, but it sure was fun watching him play the position as good as anybody ever has, for the last two decades. :tup :tup

Now, the Broncos need to sign Osweiler.  Teams like Cleveland and Houston are supposedly ready to offer him bigger contracts, but I would hope the prospect of staying with one of the NFL's best franchises, where you'll always have a chance to win, will entice him to stay, instead of bolting to Cleveland for the easy pay day.  I won't begrudge him if he does, because hey, this might be the highest his stock will ever be, and you've got to cash in when you can, so we shall see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - ORANGE CRUSH IS BACK ON TAP (TOP)!!!
Post by: Dream Team on March 06, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
'Bout damn time. :lol

It'll be a bit strange at first watching football on Sundays with no Peyton Manning, but it sure was fun watching him play the position as good as anybody ever has, for the last two decades. :tup :tup

Now, the Broncos need to sign Osweiler.  Teams like Cleveland and Houston are supposedly ready to offer him bigger contracts, but I would hope the prospect of staying with one of the NFL's best franchises, where you'll always have a chance to win, will entice him to stay, instead of bolting to Cleveland for the easy pay day.  I won't begrudge him if he does, because hey, this might be the highest his stock will ever be, and you've got to cash in when you can, so we shall see.

He'd have to be clinically insane to go to Cleveland. Unless they offer him 10 mil a year and his next best offer is 50 cents, I can't see him doing it. But it's his life.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2016, 04:56:29 PM
He wouldn't be the first football player to cash in by going to a bad franchise...and he wouldn't be the last.

Thing is, his skill set is perfect for the Kubiak style of the West Coast offense: he can throw it down field, he can run the naked bootleg, and he already knows the system.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 07, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
"I revere football ... so if you wonder if I'll miss football, absolutely I will" Peyton Manning.

That sums it up. No one outlasts time, but Peyton got to do what he loved longer than just about everyone else can only dream of.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: kaos2900 on March 07, 2016, 02:06:56 PM
Peyton was one of the best. I still remember when my Huskers kicked his ass when he was at Tennessee. I feel old.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 07, 2016, 05:39:16 PM
Eagles apparently trading Maxwell, Alonso, and Murray.

I didn't think anyone would be willing to take on those contracts of Maxwell and Murray. Obviously got to wait and see what the return was (aside from cap savings), but I'm pretty pleased right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2016, 07:54:21 PM
Great speech by Peyton Manning today when announcing his retirement. His place in history is secured.  :coolio :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: pogoowner on March 07, 2016, 11:08:24 PM
Eagles apparently trading Maxwell, Alonso, and Murray.

I didn't think anyone would be willing to take on those contracts of Maxwell and Murray. Obviously got to wait and see what the return was (aside from cap savings), but I'm pretty pleased right now.
Howie Roseman pissing all over Chip's grave. I'm amazed anyone wanted to take on those contracts as well, but the Eagles will still be eating quite a bit of dead money.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2016, 04:07:52 AM
Great speech by Peyton Manning today when announcing his retirement. His place in history is secured.  :coolio :hat

Got me at the end.  Such a personal moment for all to see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 08, 2016, 09:17:18 AM
Calvin Johnson has officially retired.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: jingle.boy on March 08, 2016, 09:31:23 AM
Calvin Johnson has officially retired.

Didn't we already know that?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 08, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
Calvin Johnson has officially retired.

Didn't we already know that?

Yes... we knew that he was planning to retire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: jingle.boy on March 08, 2016, 09:54:56 AM
Calvin Johnson has officially retired.

Didn't we already know that?

Yes... we knew that he was planning to retire.

Gotchya... didn't realize it wasn't "official" before.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: PetFish on March 09, 2016, 03:33:20 AM
Everyone can thank my Peyton Manning Shrine for working its magic!

(https://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa415/ErikMuna/ManningShrine50_zpsmjqi5pip.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 09, 2016, 04:25:52 AM
So the Jets lost Chris Ivory to the Jaguars and now they're probably gonna lose Ryan Fitzpatrick to free agency. So much for contending this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:41:33 AM
Miami and Jacksonville have had a good couple of day. I think both of those teams, especially the Jags are going to surprise next year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 09, 2016, 06:54:20 AM
Miami and Jacksonville have had a good couple of day. I think both of those teams, especially the Jags are going to surprise next year.

The Jags trending up is no real surprise. and while I agree that I like that they're spending money, I didn't like the deal Miami tried to make with Philly. Lucky for them, it might not happen due to the health of Maxwell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: King Postwhore on March 09, 2016, 07:10:41 AM
Miami loads us every year and they still never scare me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: axeman90210 on March 09, 2016, 07:25:07 AM
So the Jets lost Chris Ivory to the Jaguars and now they're probably gonna lose Ryan Fitzpatrick to free agency. So much for contending this year.

For what the Jags are paying Ivory, they can have him. I still think Fitzpatrick ends up back with us, there's posturing going on from his camp but everyone knows we're his best possible situation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2016, 08:09:41 AM
The Panthers released Charles Johnson, who has been a beast with us for 9 seasons, due to his $11 million salary cap amount.

Yesterday they re-signed him for $3 million (he turned down $6 million from the Giants to come back to Carolina).

Win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 09, 2016, 08:11:42 AM
That is a win, for both sides.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: jingle.boy on March 09, 2016, 08:47:37 AM
Classy on his part.  Not many would take a 70% paycut from their employer, and 50% from a competitor, just to stay with the original employer.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - End of an Era: Manning to retire.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Classy on his part.  Not many would take a 70% paycut from their employer, and 50% from a competitor, just to stay with the original employer.
Well, he really likes it here.  He understands that the release wasn't personal, just business.

So, yeah.  Classy on his part, for sure.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 09, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
Holy crap.  It being reported that Brock Osweiler is signing with Houston.   What will Denver do?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 09, 2016, 01:36:59 PM
The Giants just stole Damon Harrison away from the Jets. If it wasn't for the Jets signing Matt Forte I would be furious right now. Instead I'm just very angry. My mood may change depending on what happens with Ryan Fitzpatrick. They were so close last year but just couldn't win the playoff clincher and now the team they had last year is falling apart. I've been through this heartbreak too many times before otherwise this would hurt a lot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Stadler on March 09, 2016, 02:23:12 PM
Holy crap.  It being reported that Brock Osweiler is signing with Houston.   What will Denver do?

That deal makes no sense to me on several levels.  First, the money.  But second, that Denver team is a Super Bowl champeen tha is relatively intact, and there are easily 15 QBs in the league that would place one of their testicles in a Craftsman vice on Pay-per-view for that opportunity, and he walks from it?   I get it, it may not have been his choice, but I can't believe Elway wouldn't at least let him compete for the job. 

And I heard a rumor that Colin Kaepernick might get offered the job.   At least that guarantees there won't be a repeat. :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
I heard the Kap thing as well.  That seems like a really odd choice.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 09, 2016, 03:08:49 PM
I heard the Kap thing as well.  That seems like a really odd choice.
I actually think he would do fairly well in a Gary Kubiak run-based offense, assuming his head is on straight after the toxic situation in San Francisco. Bootlegs for days. Mix in a little zone read.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 09, 2016, 04:27:54 PM
That Osweiler deal is HUGE.

So much to follow today...  :corn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 09, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
That Osweiler deal is HUGE.

So much to follow today...  :corn
Reminds me of St. Rogers being anointed the new Jesus before he'd actually done anything. What makes people think Osweiler is deserving of such a huge contract?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 09, 2016, 05:03:13 PM
That Osweiler deal is HUGE.

So much to follow today...  :corn
Reminds me of St. Rogers being anointed the new Jesus before he'd actually done anything. What makes people think Osweiler is deserving of such a huge contract?
Evidently Elway didn't think he was.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 09, 2016, 05:08:09 PM
Holy crap.  It being reported that Brock Osweiler is signing with Houston.   What will Denver do?

That deal makes no sense to me on several levels.  First, the money.  But second, that Denver team is a Super Bowl champeen tha is relatively intact, and there are easily 15 QBs in the league that would place one of their testicles in a Craftsman vice on Pay-per-view for that opportunity, and he walks from it?   I get it, it may not have been his choice, but I can't believe Elway wouldn't at least let him compete for the job. 

And I heard a rumor that Colin Kaepernick might get offered the job.   At least that guarantees there won't be a repeat. :)

I'll assume he was upset that it's wasn't his car to drive into the playoffs and being the "guy" somewhere else was more enticing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 09, 2016, 07:35:51 PM
Elway knows what he is doing.  I trust that they will be fine.

Good luck to Osweiler in Houston.  He took more money to play for a team whose biggest weakness is QB; can't blame the guy for that. On the flip side, I am glad the Broncos did not overpay him.

I pray we don't sign Kaepernick.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 10, 2016, 05:22:35 AM
I see every angle of this thing and it's pretty fascinating.

Elway - He built a championship team that won the Super Bowl despite having a corpse at QB. Also, he's had Osweiler in his garage for the past four years. He should know what's under the hood, and if it's worth opening the vault door for.

Osweiler - He saw 4 other QBs from his draft class, including a guy picked after him become Day 1 starters in 2012. He most likely wanted to play, and by all accounts handled the situation with class. I can't blame him for getting a change of scenery. And as Kev said, he's getting more money to go to team that needs a QB. Good luck to him.


Texans - They knew that they needed and they went out and get it. The whole thing reeks of Matt Schaub, who the Texans signed after he was Michael Vick's backup in Atlanta. Hopefully for the Texans, this works out, because I'm very certain that it will work out in Denver.

It will be very exciting to see what Denver does and seeing who will be under center in Week 1.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 10, 2016, 08:12:16 AM
I can't help but wonder what Denver was willing to offer him, though. I won't begrudge a player for taking the big payday early in their career, so I've got nothing against Brock. At the same time staying put has value itself. I'm curious what jumping ship actually made him, vs sticking with a championship team where he was presumably going to be the starter behind a world class defense.

edit: if this is true, fuck'em, be glad he's gone.

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NFL Media's Albert Breer reported (https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000642792/article/brock-osweiler-agrees-in-principle-to-72m-texans-deal) that Osweiler was offered a $16 million-per-year deal by Denver, which included $30 million in guarantees. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, though, noted that Osweiler's move to Houston was partially motivated by the passer taking his regular-season benching in Denver personally.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2016, 08:50:31 AM
Yeah, that's kind of shitty.  God forbid he have to wait his turn behind one of the greatest of all time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 10, 2016, 08:51:37 AM
It was 16 million a year El Barto.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 10, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Yeah, that's kind of shitty.  God forbid he have to wait his turn behind one of the greatest of all time.

Yeah, and he was shitting the fucking bed against San Diego when he was benched.  SAN-FUCKING-DIEGO!  With home-field advantage on the line!  If you can't put on your big-boy TEAM panties on and NOT take that kind of benching personally, I wouldn't want him on my team either.

$2M more per year to get to a team that is rebuilding seems to show that his character is more about being 'the guy', rather than being on 'the team'.  Sure, over the course of a few years, he may help/participate in propelling the Texans to one of the top teams in the league - but he was already on one of the Top 3 teams in the league.

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/adios-muchachos.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 10, 2016, 09:14:36 AM
Still don't know what the terms were of the Denver offer, other than 30 million guaranteed (vs 37 from Houston). Again, this is his opportunity to cash in and I won't fault him for wanting that extra 7 guaranteed; he's a kid with his whole life ahead of him. Especially if it required a few more years from Denver. At the same time I have a real sore spot for shit attitudes. If it were a token difference and being benched in favor of Peyton Fucking Manning was the deciding factor, I'd be thrilled that he took the money and ran.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 10, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
Still don't know what the terms were of the Denver offer, other than 30 million guaranteed (vs 37 from Houston). Again, this is his opportunity to cash in and I won't fault him for wanting that extra 7 guaranteed; he's a kid with his whole life ahead of him. Especially if it required a few more years from Denver. At the same time I have a real sore spot for shit attitudes. If it were a token difference and being benched in favor of Peyton Fucking Manning was the deciding factor, I'd be thrilled that he took the money and ran.

Agree completely, and of course... we're judging this all based on some snipits in the press.  There's invariably a whole lot more to the story.

But then there's stories like Charles Johnson, that seem completely self-less (financially speaking) and totally committed to the team/city.  That's the kid of character I'd want on my team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2016, 10:04:47 AM
Here's a nice article on Charles Johnson and why he re-signed with the Panthers, if you have a minute.

Charles Johnson Returns On One-Year Deal (https://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Charles-Johnson-Returns-On-One-Year-Deal/159e80c1-42cd-4513-8fb7-12ff52193e07)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 10, 2016, 10:11:11 AM
Here's a nice article on Charles Johnson and why he re-signed with the Panthers, if you have a minute.

Charles Johnson Returns On One-Year Deal (https://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Charles-Johnson-Returns-On-One-Year-Deal/159e80c1-42cd-4513-8fb7-12ff52193e07)

That was a good read. Liked this part:

Quote
In that process, he almost became a Giant. They made a compelling offer, and Johnson was impressed with what he called a "first-class organization."

But a conversation with New York general manager Jerry Reese flipped a switch for Johnson. He asked Reese if he would leave his post in New York if another club offered more money.

"He started as an intern there and now he’s the GM for the Giants. He saw everything that happened – championships and all that. He said he wouldn’t trade that for the world," Johnson said. "When he said that, I just thought to myself, ‘I’ve been here the longest. And all I’ve asked for is an opportunity. So how can I turn away from my team and the family that’s in Charlotte – how can I turn away?’

"That overweighed everything. I wanted to be happy, and I literally couldn’t imagine signing with them. This place raised me."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2016, 10:53:12 AM
Yep.  I thought that was great.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2016, 02:32:08 PM
As much as that sucks for the Giants fan, that is a cool story.  When I read the headline for that I thought "Wow Reese blew it" but he didn't really, I have a ton of respect for a player that sticks with their organization with the hope of winning vs. taking the money for a team with less of a shot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 10, 2016, 05:16:24 PM
Multiple reports say that Osweiler getting benched for Peyton was a factor in him leaving.  Not the main factor, but one nonetheless.  And I am okay with that.  Not every QB has the balls and mental toughness to follow a legend.

What's odd for us Broncos fans is that we have enjoyed three Super Bowl wins, and followed two of them up now with a major question mark at QB (Griese/Brister in '99, TBA in '16).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 06:39:57 AM
I think he was more pissed that they made him wait for Peyton to make a decision. Honestly Bronco fans, did you want another year of Manning? Elway should have booted Manning to save cap space and make signing Osweller a priority. I know he's still relatively unproven but compared to who else is out there he was their best shot at maintaining some continuity. Now they're looking at Kapernick, good luck.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2016, 06:47:09 AM
I think he was more pissed that they made him wait for Peyton to make a decision. Honestly Bronco fans, did you want another year of Manning? Elway should have booted Manning to save cap space and make signing Osweller a priority. I know he's still relatively unproven but compared to who else is out there he was their best shot at maintaining some continuity. Now they're looking at Kapernick, good luck.

No... everyone knew that Manning's tank was empty.  But seriously... god forbid Elway and the organization give (arguably) the greatest QB in history the respect to make the ultimate decision on his terms.   ::)  Osweiller has not proven that he is that big of a deal.

Honestly, I'm not all that scared of Kap.  I believe he's still got the talent... it's a question of whether it can be resurrected and moulded.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2016, 06:49:33 AM
Osweiller wasn't upset about that.  He was upset for getting benched the last game and not carrying the team into the playoffs.  He thought is should have been his time.  I'd want my QB to think like that.  So I think he just wanted to really be the "The Man" in a new environment.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2016, 07:00:20 AM
Osweiller wasn't upset about that.  He was upset for getting benched the last game and not carrying the team into the playoffs.  He thought is should have been his time.  I'd want my QB to think like that.  So I think he just wanted to really be the "The Man" in a new environment.

Well, if he got benched just because Manning was healthy, I might somewhat be able to understand.  But he wasn't getting the job done against the Chargers - with home-field on the line, and a knee injury to boot.

If Brady was shitting the bed when Bledsoe got healthy, I'm sure he'd have been back on the pine.  But Brady took the mantel, went 11-3 and won the SB. Also, Bledsoe isn't quite the same caliber as Manning.  Brock?  4-2 which included a loss to Oakland.

I don't have a problem with him *wanting* to be the guy, but to feel disrespected because it wasn't just handed to you?  And that to be part of the reason you bolt from the #1 job of the defending SB champs?  Lame, imo.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2016, 07:22:02 AM
I get that but do you think they benched Manning for his foot?  I think not.  That being said, the team was flat the last game and sometimes changing the QB is like changing a goalie. It sparks the team.

I do get him being pissed because for him to grow you need to play but team was battling with a shot to win the SB.  Not an easy situation for a coach and GM.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2016, 07:27:20 AM
Houston plays at Denver this upcoming season. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
Wasn't it already being reported that they weren't going to resign him anyway? I don't get the respect thing. It's business and in my opinion Elway fucked up. As a Chiefs fan, I'm giddy that they're already stagnant offense is falling to pieces.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2016, 08:47:21 AM
I believe that the Manning 'cap' room didn't officially free up until he announced his retirement.  I don't see how Elway fucked up - he didn't think Brock was worth the money he was getting from Houston.  Whether he makes that decision before Tuesday or not is irrelevant.  That was the business decision. 

And if "it's business", then why the need from the Brock camp to vocalize how he was butt-hurt about being benched?  It was just "business".

I've got no problem at all with how Elway/Broncos handled this.  I don't have much of a problem with Brock wanting to be "they guy" and get paid for it if it's being offered.  I think it's a little lame for anyone to be butt-hurt about being benched behind the best QB of all-time (despite the fact Manning wasn't playing anywhere near his best), and then to leave the SB defending team over a 12% difference in salary.

Houston plays at Denver this upcoming season. Should be interesting.

Indeed it will.  I don't think Ware or Miller will have any problems putting Brock on his ass.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2016, 09:07:10 AM
I agree that Elway didn't fuck up whatsoever.  Like I said earlier, Oswieler has been in his garage for the past four years. He knows what's under the hood. If Elway's assessment is that Oswieler doesn't have what it takes to be very good/elite, then he did the right thing by not overspending. On top of that Elway still gave Oswieler a fair offer in my opinion. I don't fault the guy for following the money to Houston. I don't fault Manning for taking some time prior to announcing his decision. The media always wants us to pick sides and designate "fault". In this case, I don't think there is any. Everyone did just fine.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2016, 09:48:42 AM
The Browns have officially waived Johnny Manziel. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2016, 09:54:23 AM
From what I read, Elway knew for a few weeks that they were not going to resign him even though they offered 16 mil a year so they were already working on free agents for QB's.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2016, 09:56:03 AM
Neat little write up on the 20 years since the Cleveland Browns "relocated" to Baltimore.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14946293/tangled-history-cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens-now-dates-back-20-years
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 11, 2016, 11:53:26 AM
It's OK, Broncos fans, your QB worries are over.

Broncos trade for QB Mark Sanchez (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14951086/denver-broncos-trade-quarterback-mark-sanchez)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 11:55:34 AM
It's OK, Broncos fans, your QB worries are over.

Broncos trade for QB Mark Sanchez (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14951086/denver-broncos-trade-quarterback-mark-sanchez)

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
It's OK, Broncos fans, your QB worries are over.

Broncos trade for QB Mark Sanchez (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14951086/denver-broncos-trade-quarterback-mark-sanchez)

I'll have an order of the Broncos Butt Fumble please.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Stadler on March 11, 2016, 12:08:46 PM
It's OK, Broncos fans, your QB worries are over.

Broncos trade for QB Mark Sanchez (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14951086/denver-broncos-trade-quarterback-mark-sanchez)

I'll have an order of the Broncos Butt Fumble please.

I think Elway may still be hungover from all the Budweiser he and Manning drank after the Super Bowl.  Although... Sanchez managed the Jets to two AFC Championship games.  I think we should watch this one carefully. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
It's clearly a back up that can fill in if needed so not a big deal.


But, butt fumble.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2016, 12:15:40 PM
It's OK, Broncos fans, your QB worries are over.

Broncos trade for QB Mark Sanchez (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14951086/denver-broncos-trade-quarterback-mark-sanchez)

(https://replygif.net/i/254.gif)

It's clearly a back up that can fill in if needed so not a big deal.

Yeah... I gotta believe this is a 'just in case NOTHING pans out'.

(https://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-02-2015/Eg4zIK.gif)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2016, 12:49:38 PM
Great move by Denver. Sanchez is certainly worth a 7th round pick.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 12:52:04 PM
As a chiefs fan!

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

(https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eOifa1WrOnQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: axeman90210 on March 11, 2016, 01:34:17 PM
You guys will love Sanchez, trust me.  :tup



















 :millahhhh
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2016, 04:01:52 PM
As a chiefs fan!

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

(https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eOifa1WrOnQ/maxresdefault.jpg)

I'm sure that Denver fans, fresh off their 3rd Super Bowl win, are hurt by a chiefs fan loling at them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 11, 2016, 04:40:17 PM
Exactly. You guys still have as your QB, Mr. King of the 3-Yard Pass, kaos2900.  A Chief fan laughing at a Broncos fan for anything is seriously hilarious.

As for Sanchez, LOL indeed, but it's obviously to be a backup.   They'll still be starting someone else.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
I'm curious who their going after.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 11, 2016, 06:07:30 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Ryan Fitzpatrick is a Denver Bronco very soon.  Sign Fitzpatrick, draft a QB for the future, and maybe Sanchez can play backup for a bit.

Regardless, I am chuckling at all of the overreaction to this. So much "Elway is dumb" and "the Broncos will be awful next year" talk out there. :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Rattlehead on March 11, 2016, 07:01:58 PM
I find the overreaction comical too as a Broncos fan. There always seems to be a bit of saltiness towards the SB champs by other teams' fans for the next year or so, so it is understandable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
I see Martavis Bryant is another genius who is more concerned with getting high than making millions of dollars.  Unreal how dumb some of these guys are.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 13, 2016, 05:20:35 AM
I see Martavis Bryant is another genius who is more concerned with getting high than making millions of dollars.  Unreal how dumb some of these guys are.

Crazy that he will lose so much Monday.   

Rattlehead,  welcome to Pats fans last 10 years. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Dark Castle on March 13, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
What's unreal is how much the NFL cares about players smoking in the offseason, especially considering it's not performance enhancing. Obviously rules are rules, but some rules are fucking stupid and need to be updated with the times.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2016, 06:10:19 AM
What's unreal is how much the NFL cares about players smoking in the offseason, especially considering it's not performance enhancing. Obviously rules are rules, but some rules are fucking stupid and need to be updated with the times.

For the most part, it is still illegal so I guess that is why, not because of the performance part.  Regardless, I agree with the basis of it still being stupid.  Probably the best way for the players to deal with the pain IMO.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: kaos2900 on March 14, 2016, 06:47:42 AM
Exactly. You guys still have as your QB, Mr. King of the 3-Yard Pass, kaos2900.  A Chief fan laughing at a Broncos fan for anything is seriously hilarious.

As for Sanchez, LOL indeed, but it's obviously to be a backup.   They'll still be starting someone else.

All in good fun. Out of all of the AFC West rivals I respect the Bronco's the most. Though I'm surprised it looks like they're going to pass on Fitzpatrick.

What's unreal is how much the NFL cares about players smoking in the offseason, especially considering it's not performance enhancing. Obviously rules are rules, but some rules are fucking stupid and need to be updated with the times.

For the most part, it is still illegal so I guess that is why, not because of the performance part.  Regardless, I agree with the basis of it still being stupid.  Probably the best way for the players to deal with the pain IMO.

This. If my job told me I'd get fired for smoking pot on the weekends and I knew I was going to get tested there is no way in hell I'd be smoking. Regardless of how dumb that rule may be, it's still a rule and it's still my responsibility as their employee to follow it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
I pray we don't sign Kaepernick.

I like Chad's take:

Honestly, I'm not all that scared of Kap.  I believe he's still got the talent... it's a question of whether it can be resurrected and moulded.

A lot of people, including 49er fans, tend to forget the talent aspect.  Not sure what got into his head, but if you go back and look at footage of some of the passes the kid was throwing in their Super Bowl season and the decisions he was making on field, including in the Super Bowl itself, he clearly has the talent.  What happened the following two seasons is a bit of a mystery.  And coupled with the way Harbaugh coached him to respond to the media, it really made him unsympathetic.  But in a new environment, if he can loosen up and be himself, on and off the field, I wouldn't be surprised if you end up liking him a lot more than you do now once you get to know him (assuming he ends up in Denver).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 14, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
Oh hell yeah! Hopefully he's got some left in the tank!


https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14970975/eric-weddle-join-baltimore-ravens
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 14, 2016, 12:17:37 PM
I pray we don't sign Kaepernick.

I like Chad's take:

Honestly, I'm not all that scared of Kap.  I believe he's still got the talent... it's a question of whether it can be resurrected and moulded.

A lot of people, including 49er fans, tend to forget the talent aspect.  Not sure what got into his head, but if you go back and look at footage of some of the passes the kid was throwing in their Super Bowl season and the decisions he was making on field, including in the Super Bowl itself, he clearly has the talent.  What happened the following two seasons is a bit of a mystery.  And coupled with the way Harbaugh coached him to respond to the media, it really made him unsympathetic.  But in a new environment, if he can loosen up and be himself, on and off the field, I wouldn't be surprised if you end up liking him a lot more than you do now once you get to know him (assuming he ends up in Denver).
I think people also just look at Kap by himself (and he was really bad, no doubt), and forget just how terrible a coaching staff he was playing under. Tomsula and his staff will go down as one of the worst ever, and Kap is a guy who needs coaches who understand how to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Harbaugh and Roman were very good at that for a while. Look at Greg Roman's success with Tyrod Taylor. Tomsula/Chryst/Logan, on the other hand, will have difficulty finding jobs again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 14, 2016, 12:20:48 PM
And it's official. What an idiot!

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/3/12/11211882/martavis-bryant-suspended-substance-abuse-steelers-nfl
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 14, 2016, 02:40:22 PM
Talk about throwing away a once in a lifetime career.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2016, 03:03:31 PM
Is it confirmed he was doing marijuana?  That article didn't say.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Rattlehead on March 14, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
That's a shame. I'm not a Steelers fan obviously, but I really liked watching Martavis play (aside from when he tore us up in Denver in the playoffs  :lol).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 14, 2016, 03:22:31 PM
Is it confirmed he was doing marijuana?  That article didn't say.

The suspension is confirmed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2016, 03:35:17 PM
Is it confirmed he was doing marijuana?  That article didn't say.

The suspension is confirmed.

Yes that is, but I mean what substance did he use?  It seems its confirmed it wasn't performance enhancing and people say marijuana so just wondering if that is in fact the case.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Dream Team on March 14, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
And it's official. What an idiot!

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/3/12/11211882/martavis-bryant-suspended-substance-abuse-steelers-nfl


Grrrrrr.  :facepalm: :facepalm: We'll never have this great offense all on the field at the same time. Drives me out of my mind. Ben must be PISSED.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 14, 2016, 07:51:04 PM
I read that he missed a drug test, which, in the eyes of the NFL, is the same as failing one.  Stupid. 

bosk1, Kaepernick definitely has talent, but I am not sure even coaching can turn around the slide he has been on since that really good first year he had.  Heck, his good play during that SB season was before defenses had a book on him, and once they got it, he went down hill.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2016, 05:46:19 AM
(Rotoworld) Martavis Bryant's indefinite suspension is the result of failing six drug tests. Analysis: In other words, the NFL makes you work really hard to earn a year-long ban. Two of Bryant's "fails" were no-shows, which is treated as a straight fail for obvious reasons. Bryant has checked into rehab, while his agent says he's battling depression. In a Monday statement, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert hinted the team plans to hold onto Bryant through his suspension.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 15, 2016, 10:08:53 AM
Apparently the NFL has rescinded Mike Munchak's fine for this little display of sportsmanship:

(https://cbssports.com/images/blogs/Mike_Munchak_Fined_Reggie_Nelson_Hair_Pull.png)

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 15, 2016, 10:16:44 AM
I believe the hair is considered part of the uniform in the NFL and therefore is allowed to be grabbed  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 15, 2016, 10:51:25 AM
I believe the hair is considered part of the uniform in the NFL and therefore is allowed to be grabbed  :lol

That goes for the arm as well I guess. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 15, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
Holy Crap!

Well, there's been talk about Jones' future in N.E. of late.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14980555/chandler-jones-traded-new-england-patriots-arizona-cardinals-jonathan-cooper-draft-pick
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 15, 2016, 03:25:08 PM
Holy Crap!

Well, there's been talk about Jones' future in N.E. of late.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14980555/chandler-jones-traded-new-england-patriots-arizona-cardinals-jonathan-cooper-draft-pick (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14980555/chandler-jones-traded-new-england-patriots-arizona-cardinals-jonathan-cooper-draft-pick)
Sorry to see him go, but it actually makes sense. They probably wouldn't have been able to resign him next year, and by moving him early they get much better value. They have some depth there and desperately need OL help. And of course if they do sign Chris Long it becomes far more palatable.

Honestly, I've learned just to not worry about these things. Bill knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 15, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
I totally agree. Besides they need to sign Hightower, Collins & Butler who really all more important to the team that. Jones.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2016, 05:55:07 PM
Apparently the NFL has rescinded Mike Munchak's fine for this little display of sportsmanship:

*snip*

 :facepalm:

As if we didn't know already that the NFL absolutely loves the Steelers. :lol :lol

Anyway, I see the Broncos matched the offer for CJ Anderson. I'm good with that.  He is a really good RB when he is on the field, and while RBs are a dime a dozen nowadays, they didn't have to pay him a lot, and we have seen what he can do in Kubiak's system when healthy.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 16, 2016, 11:47:27 AM
Absolutely thrilled that the Ravens signed Mike Wallace! Now they need to address that O-Line.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 16, 2016, 04:51:55 PM
I told a friend at work yesterday that Wallace was a great signing by the Ravens.  His biggest asset is going deep, and neither Miami nor Minnesota had the QB to take advantage of that, but the Ravens do in Flacco.  He should easily be as productive as Torrey Smith was with that team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 16, 2016, 05:04:12 PM
Plus Joe is a very accurate deep ball passer.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2016, 05:51:28 PM
I told a friend at work yesterday that Wallace was a great signing by the Ravens.  His biggest asset is going deep, and neither Miami nor Minnesota had the QB to take advantage of that, but the Ravens do in Flacco.  He should easily be as productive as Torrey Smith was with that team.

Yeah... that's a great call.  This could be his year finally.  Bridgewater and Tannehill could not have been a worse fit for Wallace.  Well, maybe Peyton this year. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 16, 2016, 06:49:59 PM
This all assumes Wallace can still play, which is not a given. He's always been a knucklehead, so we'll see if he can actually produce again with a decent quarterback.

In other news, the Patriots have acquired Martellus Bennett from Chicago.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2016, 06:55:20 PM
This all assumes Wallace can still play, which is not a given. He's always been a knucklehead, so we'll see if he can actually produce again with a decent quarterback.

In other news, the Patriots have acquired Martellus Bennett from Chicago.

Wow... that'll be a killer 1-2 punch at TE.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 16, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Both of them are great blockers and receivers, so it's going to be a nightmare figuring out what they're doing if they're both on the field.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: DebraKadabra on March 16, 2016, 07:53:22 PM
I really don't know how to feel about Osweiler being a Texan. Part of me wants a $100 buck bag of what Rick Smith and McNair are smoking. From what I've read from youse guys, he didn't seem to be worth the money Houston paid for him and he also seems to be a whiny-ass bitch for crying about riding the pines. I mean, we'll see how it goes but I'm just really meh about the whole thing. That, and to be completely honest... I think Kaep would have been the better choice.

I figured Peyton would go out on an awesome note. Good for him, he's always been a class act.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 16, 2016, 08:11:15 PM
So the Pats now have a new tight end duo .
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: DebraKadabra on March 16, 2016, 10:11:19 PM
Giggity? :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 04:43:30 AM
Giggity? :lol

 :lol. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Dream Team on March 17, 2016, 06:43:48 AM
I told a friend at work yesterday that Wallace was a great signing by the Ravens.  His biggest asset is going deep, and neither Miami nor Minnesota had the QB to take advantage of that, but the Ravens do in Flacco.  He should easily be as productive as Torrey Smith was with that team.

Yeah, he should be the #1 DPI QB again with this signing. Pretty famous for that when Smith was good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 17, 2016, 07:18:53 AM
I told a friend at work yesterday that Wallace was a great signing by the Ravens.  His biggest asset is going deep, and neither Miami nor Minnesota had the QB to take advantage of that, but the Ravens do in Flacco.  He should easily be as productive as Torrey Smith was with that team.

Yeah, he should be the #1 DPI QB again with this signing. Pretty famous for that when Smith was good.

GOOD
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: axeman90210 on March 17, 2016, 07:26:09 AM
So the Pats now have a new tight end duo .

Hopefully this one doesn't start murdering people   :xbones
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2016, 08:01:57 AM
So the Pats now have a new tight end duo .

Hopefully this one doesn't start murdering people   :xbones

(https://replygif.net/i/552.gif)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 08:37:34 AM
 :lol

Touche Bill.  Touche.

But still, Butt Fumble.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 17, 2016, 10:43:34 AM
So the Pats now have a new tight end duo .

Hopefully this one doesn't start murdering people   :xbones
Martellus is a really, really, REALLY strange guy (read some of his interviews :lol). But he probably won't go that far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 11:32:40 AM
You should his tweet to Tom Brady.  It was hilarious! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2016, 12:02:36 PM
What should we his tweet?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2016, 12:03:40 PM
Where is sadness?  It's in Cleveland. (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14994878/sadness-cleveland-siri-finds-browns-home)

lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
What should we his tweet?

"See" you son of a.... :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
What should we his tweet?

"See" you son of a.... :lol

(https://jerseyjoeart.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/isaac.jpg?w=1075)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:28:33 PM
:lol

Touche Bill.  Touche.

But still, Butt Fumble.

But still, current Super Bowl champs.

Sorry, had to do it. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 05:31:31 PM
And well deserved. Don't worry Kev, the Mark Sanchez era is upon you. :lol










I know he won't start.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Heh, he will be a backup.  But hey, it's still the same Mark Sanchez who is 1-0 against Tom Brady in playoff games... :hat

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 05:35:03 PM
Yeah, he was the reason they won that game. :lol


He can have the one game.  I'll take the 4 rings.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 17, 2016, 05:35:35 PM
Heh, he will be a backup.  But hey, it's still the same Mark Sanchez who is 1-0 against Tom Brady in playoff games... :hat

What a great moment in my life that was.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:36:30 PM
Yeah, he was the reason they won that game. :lol


He can have the one game.  I'll take the 4 rings.

I would, too.  Playful jabs aside. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
Heh, he will be a backup.  But hey, it's still the same Mark Sanchez who is 1-0 against Tom Brady in playoff games... :hat

What a great moment in my life that was.

That was one of those "Is this really happening?" games.  No way should New England have lost that game, yet they did.  The Jets came to play that day.  And then they laid down for the Steelers the following week, in typical Rex Ryan fashion.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
Yeah, he was the reason they won that game. :lol


He can have the one game.  I'll take the 4 rings.

I would, too.  Playful jabs aside. :tup :tup

But of course!

It still is fresh in my mind walking out of the stadium thinking what a wasted opportunity.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:49:23 PM
Imagine being a Bengals fan two months ago. :lol :lol

Speaking of them, no one is talking about it - because, why would they, they are the Bengals :lol - but they have lost their number 2 and 3 WRs to free agency.  Gonna make it tough for them to win that division again, especially with the Ravens likely to contend again (unless they get crushed by injuries again).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
They had that game against the Steelers.   The lack of discipline did them in.  Far from the Boomer Esiason lead team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 08:54:06 PM
Boomer Esiason is an a-hole.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 17, 2016, 09:52:43 PM
I'm glad Noah Webster is fucking dead.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: DebraKadabra on March 17, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
What should we his tweet?

The CORRECT answer is "Accidentally the whole thing." Jingle Dingle... I am disappoint. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 18, 2016, 04:08:56 AM
Boomer Esiason is an a-hole.

I never got that from him.  His asshole level is much lower than others.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 07:59:14 AM
Boomer Esiason is an a-hole.

I never got that from him.  His asshole level is much lower than others.

He has never come off as an asshole to me.  I listen to Boomer and Carton sometimes and he is easily the "not asshole" of the two, but granted that is a radio play on how the two interact.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2016, 04:44:06 PM
Boomer Esiason is an a-hole.

I never got that from him.  His asshole level is much lower than others.

Okay, but I didn't say he was the BIGGEST a-hole.

Just an a-hole in general.

:P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 18, 2016, 05:40:53 PM
If there was a meter from 1 to 100 Boomer would be a 10.  I know a billion more players and ex players worse.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 18, 2016, 07:05:22 PM
If there was a meter from 1 to 100 Boomer would be a 10.  I know a billion more players and ex players worse.
Dan Marino is much more of an asshole, in my opinion, if we're trying to find someone similar.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 18, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
Could it really be as bad as this article suggests for Okung?

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/3/18/11264270/russell-okung-contract-broncos-details-oh-god-why

There's got to be another side to the story.  Right?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: DragonAttack on March 19, 2016, 01:16:36 AM
https://www.wbaltv.com/sports/baltimore-ravens-cornerback-tray-walker-injured-in-crash/38574072

Not a star.  Just a careless 'kid' having fun.  I hate reading stories like this, when you know that just one thing done differently could have prevented this accident.  And I feel for whoever was driving.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2016, 11:21:56 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/12795417_1097710580275629_7351693283102686736_n.jpg?oh=927b1d4ee46fdb9ace90fc8970498618&oe=57540434)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: bosk1 on March 21, 2016, 09:21:04 AM
:rollin  That would be AMAZING.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2016, 09:50:22 AM
NFL approves ejection proposal for 1-year trial (https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-approves-ejection-proposal-1-trial-143741375--nfl.html)

I think this is a good rule, and frankly it seems strange that there wasn't already some form of it in place.

Also approved was making the starting place for a touchback on a kickoff the 25 instead of the 20.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2016, 09:57:55 AM
The ejection rule makes senes, reminds me of the Giants vs. Panthers game where that should have happened so I'm fine with it... but I can't stand the kick off rule changes even if I understand it's for safety.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2016, 10:01:41 AM
I don't like the ejection rule.  I think refs should just exercise the discretion they already have to eject a player if the player crosses the line.  But making it "automatic" can easily result in some unfair ejections.  Refs already had discretion to eject players, so I'm not sure why this is even needed.  I think the NFL should have simply trained refs to enforce their ejection powers if they felt players were being dirty and flagrantly disregarding safety.

I don't generally like monkeying with rules, especially those that alter longstanding mechanics of the game.  The touchback rule falls squarely into that category.  But that said, that is an interesting one, and I kinda like it because I think it will result in fewer kicks out of the back of the endzone, which means more actual returns, which means more fun.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: axeman90210 on March 23, 2016, 11:09:03 AM

I don't generally like monkeying with rules, especially those that alter longstanding mechanics of the game.  The touchback rule falls squarely into that category.  But that said, that is an interesting one, and I kinda like it because I think it will result in fewer kicks out of the back of the endzone, which means more actual returns, which means more fun.

I think this is kind of the opposite. It moves where you start with the ball after you take a touchback from the 20 out to the 25, giving teams less of an incentive to attempt a return.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 23, 2016, 11:15:32 AM

I don't generally like monkeying with rules, especially those that alter longstanding mechanics of the game.  The touchback rule falls squarely into that category.  But that said, that is an interesting one, and I kinda like it because I think it will result in fewer kicks out of the back of the endzone, which means more actual returns, which means more fun.

I think this is kind of the opposite. It moves where you start with the ball after you take a touchback from the 20 out to the 25, giving teams less of an incentive to attempt a return.

I think what Bosk1 is on to is that by moving the ball to the 25 after a touchback, they could tempt some of the teams to explore kicking it in front of the endzone so they don't have to yield a quarter of the field before the first play. It's a matter of the kickers being able to place the ball, even though that's much trickier to do for them than it is for punters for multiple reasons. I could see the Pats or Steelers toying with this idea.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2016, 11:42:11 AM

I don't generally like monkeying with rules, especially those that alter longstanding mechanics of the game.  The touchback rule falls squarely into that category.  But that said, that is an interesting one, and I kinda like it because I think it will result in fewer kicks out of the back of the endzone, which means more actual returns, which means more fun.

I think this is kind of the opposite. It moves where you start with the ball after you take a touchback from the 20 out to the 25, giving teams less of an incentive to attempt a return.

I think what Bosk1 is on to is that by moving the ball to the 25 after a touchback, they could tempt some of the teams to explore kicking it in front of the endzone so they don't have to yield a quarter of the field before the first play. It's a matter of the kickers being able to place the ball, even though that's much trickier to do for them than it is for punters for multiple reasons. I could see the Pats or Steelers toying with this idea.

I'm more aligned with axeman in thinking this is going to create less returns, hence why the NFL is saying this is a safety rule change.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 23, 2016, 12:04:17 PM
Nobody is going to kick short rather than give up a 25 yard touchback. Not only do you give the returner an extra 5-10 yards, but you give your coverage guys less time to develop containment. This rule honestly makes no sense to me.

As for the ejection thing, I tend to agree with Bosk. I'd rather see a player ejected on the first foul if it's flagrant and deliberate (Burfict). Let the refs exercise some discretion, but nudge them int he direction of being more assertive in that area. An interesting aspect of this will be on the coaches. Maybe if he knows that his star player is fixing to get himself bounced Tom Coughlin's silly ass sits down ODBJr for a quarter to let him cool off. Maybe Marvin Lewis's even sillier ass demonstrates some freaking discipline before his cadre of numbskulls blow their season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2016, 12:12:51 PM
As for the ejection thing, I tend to agree with Bosk. I'd rather see a player ejected on the first foul if it's flagrant and deliberate (Burfict). Let the refs exercise some discretion, but nudge them int he direction of being more assertive in that area. An interesting aspect of this will be on the coaches. Maybe if he knows that his star player is fixing to get himself bounced Tom Coughlin's silly ass sits down ODBJr for a quarter to let him cool off. Maybe Marvin Lewis's even sillier ass demonstrates some freaking discipline before his cadre of numbskulls blow their season.

The problem is you are asking the ref to make a ruling on "intention" in that case vs. following a set of rules (the NFL's new rule).  I think it makes it more clear and easy for the refs to make the ejection decision this way, although this is not a perfect solution either.  The college rules have the refs make a call on "intention" on dirty hits and players get ejected for what is sometimes not really a dirty play.  I kind of like the written rule approach, everyone knows where they stand.  If you get one, you need to be on better behavior.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2016, 12:28:35 PM
I agree.  The less left to discretion, the better. 

Kind of like 2 technical fouls = an ejection in basketball.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 23, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
While you're supporting the removal of discretion in this instance, it's still applicable in the calls that matter. How many times do we see a flag for a late hit on the QB that's highly questionable? That will almost certainly be one of the personal fouls that count towards the two.  A questionable late hit, plus a collision with a short-fuck receiver who puts his head down so low it's impossible to avoid and a player is out. Sort of like the guy who gets a life sentence for stealing $14 worth of video tapes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
While you're supporting the removal of discretion in this instance, it's still applicable in the calls that matter. How many times do we see a flag for a late hit on the QB that's highly questionable? That will almost certainly be one of the personal fouls that count towards the two.  A questionable late hit, plus a collision with a short-fuck receiver who puts his head down so low it's impossible to avoid and a player is out. Sort of like the guy who gets a life sentence for stealing $14 worth of video tapes.

Maybe I am wrong or maybe this isnt the full list (wording implies it is not the full list) but from the linked article

Quote
Those categories include throwing a punch at or kicking an opponent; taunting; and using abusive, threatening or insulting language or gestures.

So doesn't sound like roughing the passer is included.  But I get what you are saying, there is plenty of judgement calls as is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 23, 2016, 12:58:48 PM
As soon as they start red cards, we'll start to see diving. Just throw the guy out when doing anything deliberate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
While you're supporting the removal of discretion in this instance, it's still applicable in the calls that matter. How many times do we see a flag for a late hit on the QB that's highly questionable? That will almost certainly be one of the personal fouls that count towards the two.  A questionable late hit, plus a collision with a short-fuck receiver who puts his head down so low it's impossible to avoid and a player is out. Sort of like the guy who gets a life sentence for stealing $14 worth of video tapes.

Maybe I am wrong or maybe this isnt the full list (wording implies it is not the full list) but from the linked article

Quote
Those categories include throwing a punch at or kicking an opponent; taunting; and using abusive, threatening or insulting language or gestures.

So doesn't sound like roughing the passer is included.  But I get what you are saying, there is plenty of judgement calls as is.
This, they aren't looking for "regular" personal fouls under this rule.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 23, 2016, 01:09:59 PM
If that's the case then alright. However, should it take a second instance of throwing a punch?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
If that's the case then alright. However, should it take a second instance of throwing a punch?

Probably not if you ask me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2016, 01:14:33 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/nfl-essentially-eliminates-return-kickoffs-105200009.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/nfl-essentially-eliminates-return-kickoffs-105200009.html)

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In 2012, the NCAA moved the kickoff to the 35-yard line instead of the 30-yard line (something the NFL did in 2011) and made the same 25-yard line touchback rule. It's difficult to compare the NCAA to the NFL considering the wide range of talent among kickers and returners, but after one year touchbacks increased from 15.2 percent to 34.8 percent.

and

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The first rule is something that has been covered extensively and was expected to pass — automatic ejection of a player who receives two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in a game. Coaches were opposed to the automatic ejection penalty, but owners seem to like the idea.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2016, 01:18:18 PM
If that's the case then alright. However, should it take a second instance of throwing a punch?
It shouldn't, but it has at times.

I think that the NFL is erring on the side of caution here.  The game is violent enough on its own, with enough risk of injury, without fucktards intentionally trying to hurt other players by punching/kicking/whatever.  The way I understand it, the refs will still have authority to toss someone at any time like they do now, if the offense is egregious enough, but two such penalties will be an automatic ejection.

Also, this is a one-year trial, like the 25 yard line thing.  If it doesn't work out for whatever reason, they will chuck it the next year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 23, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
I don't like the new rule about two unsportsmanlike penalties equalling an ejection, but from what I understand, personal fouls do not count as unsportsmanlike penalties, so that is good. I'd hate to see a DB get ejected from a game because he delivered a good hit that suddenly became bad because the WR lowered his head into it at the last minute.  Defenses already get screwed with 15-yard penalties on plays like that; no need for players to get tossed because of them, too.

I am fine with touchbacks coming out to the 25.  The reason is obvious: the NFL wants less returns out of the end zone, but good luck getting those bonehead returners who often think they can outrun everyone sideways to stop running them out. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 24, 2016, 10:42:50 AM
Hopefully (for Browns fans) Hue can work his magic.


https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15058201/cleveland-browns-sign-robert-griffin-iii
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
I foresee nothing but pain, blues, and agony.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 24, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Man RGIII hates his career.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 24, 2016, 11:15:09 AM
Man RGIII hates his career.

Denver was the best landing spot for him.... but apparently Elway and Kubiak didn't want any part of that. Can't say that I blame them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 24, 2016, 11:16:05 AM
That has to be any other place that needs a QB than the Browns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2016, 05:31:17 PM
Man RGIII hates his career.

Denver was the best landing spot for him.... but apparently Elway and Kubiak didn't want any part of that. Can't say that I blame them.

I never bought any of the "RG3 might go to the Broncos" talk.  RG3 got along terribly with Shanahan, who is still pals with Elway and Kubiak, and, well, do the math.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 25, 2016, 09:04:43 AM

I don't generally like monkeying with rules, especially those that alter longstanding mechanics of the game.  The touchback rule falls squarely into that category.  But that said, that is an interesting one, and I kinda like it because I think it will result in fewer kicks out of the back of the endzone, which means more actual returns, which means more fun.

 

I think this is kind of the opposite. It moves where you start with the ball after you take a touchback from the 20 out to the 25, giving teams less of an incentive to attempt a return.

I think what Bosk1 is on to is that by moving the ball to the 25 after a touchback, they could tempt some of the teams to explore kicking it in front of the endzone so they don't have to yield a quarter of the field before the first play. It's a matter of the kickers being able to place the ball, even though that's much trickier to do for them than it is for punters for multiple reasons. I could see the Pats or Steelers toying with this idea.

I'm more aligned with axeman in thinking this is going to create less returns, hence why the NFL is saying this is a safety rule change.


I came across an article on this:


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Talking with some NFL coaches on Thursday, they want to use the "sky" kick more after this rule change. Put that thing up high in the air and drop it in the bucket near the goal line. Hey, even kick it to the corner and give yourself a bigger advantage. Nowhere to hide there. Let's go...

...This rule change -- designed, in theory, to limit returns even more -- will ironically end up having the opposite effect based on the coaches I've talked to.


https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15064520/how-nfl-coaches-take-advantage-new-kickoff-rule
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: pogoowner on March 25, 2016, 10:05:59 AM
Personally, I think that strategy would backfire often enough that most coaches wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2016, 11:25:14 AM
Personally, I think that strategy would backfire often enough that most coaches wouldn't do it.
Exactly.  Trying for corner kicks is going to end with kicks going out of bounds just as often as not, meaning the offense will start on the 40 instead of the 25.  Not a good gamble.

Corner kicks are useful on punts, but not kickoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 25, 2016, 11:28:36 AM
The article didn't mention the "coaches" that were interviewed. For all we know, they could be special teams coaches or assistants who have all of these ideas that will ultimately scrapped when the head coach walks in and says "Just boot the ball out of the back of the endzone and put our defense out on the 25".

We shall see. I'd like to see a few teams try to play with the options. Sure, worst case is the ball goes out of bounds and you start at the 40... but that's only 15 yards worse than what a touchback gets you. And while I get that it sucks to start at the 40, the question will be if the potential rewards (pinning them back deeper than the 25 or even having the kicking team recover a few kicks) will be worth the risk.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2016, 11:34:06 AM
They won't.  15 yards don't mean much if you are talking from the 1 yard line to the 16 yard line.

Going from the 25 to the 40 is huge.  You may see a maverick try it once in a blue moon, but as S.O.P. no sane coach is going to risk that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 11:40:45 AM
If the idea is to kick the ball high enough to get air time, if it's enough time for the kicking team to get near the ball, you'll see fair catches which is a win for the kicking team (and the NFL for no return), but I can't recall ever seeing that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2016, 04:11:00 PM
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_20160329_180701_zpscdem4ci3.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/IMG_20160329_180701_zpscdem4ci3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 29, 2016, 06:16:06 PM
How terrible it must be for the league.  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2016, 06:20:31 PM
I feel nothing but joy right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Rattlehead on March 29, 2016, 07:04:43 PM
Man RGIII hates his career.

Denver was the best landing spot for him.... but apparently Elway and Kubiak didn't want any part of that. Can't say that I blame them.

I never bought any of the "RG3 might go to the Broncos" talk.  RG3 got along terribly with Shanahan, who is still pals with Elway and Kubiak, and, well, do the math.  :lol

Me neither. I also don't understand why Denver would go after Hoyer, McCown or Kaepernick after acquiring Sanchez unless Elway and Kubiak feel that Siemian is a long term solution, which I highly doubt. I'm really hoping we draft Paxton Lynch in the first round and let Sanchez start until he is ready.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: splent on March 29, 2016, 07:55:00 PM
I've heard the 49ers are going to keep Kaep... Idk why...

I can't see any situation where Sanchez is the permanent starter for Denver. I think Elway is a little worried.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 30, 2016, 06:32:20 AM
I've heard the 49ers are going to keep Kaep... Idk why...

I can't see any situation where Sanchez is the permanent starter for Denver. I think Elway is a little worried.

Your second point kind of answers your first point. 49ers are keeping Kaepernick due to the sheer lack of depth at the QB position league wide. On top of that, he could be an ideal fit for Chip Kelly's system.

Denver can win a Super Bowl with Mark Sanchez. They just won it with a corpse.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Rattlehead on March 30, 2016, 07:17:40 AM
I've heard the 49ers are going to keep Kaep... Idk why...

I can't see any situation where Sanchez is the permanent starter for Denver. I think Elway is a little worried.

I don't think Elway's goal was to replace our QBs with a guy he was able to trade a conditional 7th round draft pick for. He obviously has another move in mind and I'm hoping it's drafting Paxton Lynch at the end of the first round. I wouldn't mind seeing them trade up into the 20s for him either, and it wouldn't bother me if Sanchez started some games next season if that is the route Elway is going in the draft.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 30, 2016, 07:51:19 AM
From looking outside they had a guy to run a team that is playoff bound every year.  He seemed upset from the benching the last game of the year. Now a team, playoff ready has no qb and that's not good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: Rattlehead on March 30, 2016, 08:09:01 AM
From looking outside they had a guy to run a team that is playoff bound every year.  He seemed upset from the benching the last game of the year. Now a team, playoff ready has no qb and that's not good.

We'll never know if he left because Houston was willing to overpay him or if it's because he really was that sour over a benching that lead to a Super Bowl win, or a combination of both. Regardless, Elway was put in a very tough spot and I wouldn't put it past him to get it figured out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: El Barto on March 30, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
I have to say, I'm pretty happy that the concussion thing is starting to blow up, and happier still that the owners are bungling it as badly as they are. After reading up on the infighting and conniving that has gone on over the last couple of years, with deflategate and the LA relocation being focal points, I've decided that collectively those people don't deserve what they have. Concussions are a big enough deal, with enough money on the line that it could actually pose an existential threat to the NFL, and this really doesn't bug me much. Whether or not the links to big tobacco are solid or not, there is a great deal of similarity in the way they're positioning themselves. Very bad people.

And it's just about time for Jerry Jones to die. It's the only way he stops being an active participant in the ownership cartel, and his presence is a big part of the reason they're so awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on March 30, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
It's maddening the lawyer speak we have to hear from them.  Let those fuckers burn.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on March 30, 2016, 05:28:09 PM

Denver can win a Super Bowl with Mark Sanchez. They just won it with a corpse.

Eh, that's a pretty lame way to put it. Manning was done, sure, but he played about as well throughout the playoffs as Brady did during NE's first Super Bowl playoff run, for example.

It's maddening the lawyer speak we have to hear from them.  Let those fuckers burn.

Agreed.  The NFL owners care about money and power, above all else, which is why they are trying to shout down this concussion talk. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on March 30, 2016, 06:05:21 PM

Denver can win a Super Bowl with Mark Sanchez. They just won it with a corpse.

Eh, that's a pretty lame way to put it. Manning was done, sure, but he played about as well throughout the playoffs as Brady did during NE's first Super Bowl playoff run, for example.

Quarterbacking isn't just about one's arm.  Sure, his stats weren't anything great, but there was no better QB above the shoulders.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2016, 04:49:53 AM
It sounds like Denver and SF are working on the trade parameters to get Kaepernick but his high salary is the hard part with the cap right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2016, 07:19:03 AM
I can't say I'd be excited about Kaepernick becoming a Bronco, but I think a QB guru like Kubiak could still salvage something out of him, and he would be a good fit for their offense since he can throw it deep and run the naked bootleg.  Still, he has always struck me as a monster douche, so it would be a tough pill to swallow having him as the Broncos starting QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2016, 07:26:44 AM
Kubiak, has a style that fits a throwing, role out QB so it can be a good fit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: bosk1 on April 04, 2016, 10:20:23 AM
I would love it if he became a Bronco.  Kev, try not to be put off by the public persona Harbaugh encouraged him to put on during his second season.  From what I have seen, that isn't really indicative of who he is. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: jingle.boy on April 06, 2016, 08:09:34 AM
I would love it if he became a Bronco.

I agree.  Something in my gut says he'd be a great fit, and return to his SB season level of performance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: axeman90210 on April 08, 2016, 08:54:21 AM
Surprised (and bummed) to hear D'Brickashaw Ferguson is announcing his retirement, but good for him to go out on his terms. It's kind of mind boggling that he played offensive line for a decade and never missed a single snap from injury. He missed one snap at the end of a 2009 game when the whole offensive line was subbed out for a gadget play, and that's it. I think they said he's never even showed up on the injury report. One of my favorite Jets from the last 10-15 years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Free Agency
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 08, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
Surprised (and bummed) to hear D'Brickashaw Ferguson is announcing his retirement, but good for him to go out on his terms. It's kind of mind boggling that he played offensive line for a decade and never missed a single snap from injury. He missed one snap at the end of a 2009 game when the whole offensive line was subbed out for a gadget play, and that's it. I think they said he's never even showed up on the injury report. One of my favorite Jets from the last 10-15 years.

This is sad, but it's also a good thing in the long run. He was starting to decline and his retirement opens up an opportunity for a younger player along with some much needed cap space. Regardless, thank you Brick for everything you have done with the Jets.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Scheduled Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 05:19:00 AM
The regular season schedule will be unveiled tonight at 8:00 PM EST. I'm sure that both the NFL Network and ESPN will have specials devoted to this. I'm also confident that at least some of the games will be leaked before the official announcement.

This has really become one of my favorite days of the year. I can't wait to see who plays who and when they're playing. 

What we know.

Denver's most likely hosting the opening Thursday night game, as they should. Likely opponent either Carolina, New England, Houston or Kansas City.

Three London games already announced.

10/02 - Indianapolis vs. Jacksonville
10/23 - TBD NFC East team vs. Los Angeles
10/30 - Washington vs. Cincinnati


Personally, I can't wait to see when the Ravens are hosting the Eagles. The fiance is a die hard Philly sports fan, and we're going to that game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 07:16:34 AM
And the Los Angeles Rams are on the clock!


https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15201946/tennessee-titans-trade-no-1-pick-los-angeles-rams
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2016, 07:33:49 AM
Easley come,  Easley go.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: The Trooper on April 14, 2016, 07:44:53 AM
There is no quarterback in this draft worthy of a #1 pick.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2016, 07:45:49 AM
Say that to teams with no qb.  It's worth the chance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 07:50:59 AM
Say that to teams with no qb.  It's worth the chance.

Agreed. Got to roll the dice here. If one of these guys pan out, it could do a lot to reverse a team's fortune.

Like this from both sides. Rams get (another) chance to get their guy and the Titans get a LOT of draft picks to try to make improvements all around.

Would be funny to see the Rams opt for Wentz over Goff. could be similar to the Smith/Rodgers deal in '05.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: bosk1 on April 14, 2016, 08:51:14 AM
This has really become one of my favorite days of the year. I can't wait to see who plays who and when they're playing. 

Really?  Interesting.  I can't say I've ever run across anyone who even cared.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 09:05:28 AM
This has really become one of my favorite days of the year. I can't wait to see who plays who and when they're playing. 

Really?  Interesting.  I can't say I've ever run across anyone who even cared.  :dunno:

You haven't run across any fans of NFL teams? I mean, this is a pretty big deal. How does a team's schedule shake out? Does it have a lot of "tough" games in a row or are things spaced out well? Which games will be on prime time? When are division rivals playing? When do warm weather teams have to go to cold weather stadiums (could be a huge difference between September and December? Etc...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: axeman90210 on April 14, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
I mean I understand the impact of the schedule. I just don't get that hyped about the day it's announced.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2016, 09:20:21 AM
I mean I understand the impact of the schedule. I just don't get that hyped about the day it's announced.

Unless you are planning on attending games, I don't care much for the hype either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Stadler on April 14, 2016, 09:21:28 AM
Anyone else not particularly like when the Super Bowl is repeated in Week One of the following season?  I get why they do it, but for me, it's artificial and annoying.  Especially when there are wholesale changes in one or both of the teams.   Pointless hype.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 09:24:10 AM
Anyone else not particularly like when the Super Bowl is repeated in Week One of the following season?  I get why they do it, but for me, it's artificial and annoying.  Especially when there are wholesale changes in one or both of the teams.   Pointless hype.

Has this ever happened?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: bosk1 on April 14, 2016, 09:26:15 AM
This has really become one of my favorite days of the year. I can't wait to see who plays who and when they're playing. 

Really?  Interesting.  I can't say I've ever run across anyone who even cared.  :dunno:

You haven't run across any fans of NFL teams? I mean, this is a pretty big deal. How does a team's schedule shake out? Does it have a lot of "tough" games in a row or are things spaced out well? Which games will be on prime time? When are division rivals playing? When do warm weather teams have to go to cold weather stadiums (could be a huge difference between September and December? Etc...

I know tons of fans.  But none of them I have ever run across in my entire lifetime care about any of those things, that's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2016, 10:17:42 AM
Same here.  The schedule will be out eventually, but it doesn't mean anything at all until we get a LOT closer to the start of the season.

I've never heard anyone make a big deal about it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2016, 10:20:01 AM
Same here.  The schedule will be out eventually, but it doesn't mean anything at all until we get a LOT closer to the start of the season.

I've never heard anyone make a big deal about it.

Talking heads will start ranking who has the toughest and weakest schedules, but you are right, it means nothing since teams change so much each season. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2016, 11:56:28 AM
Say that to teams with no qb.  It's worth the chance.

Agreed. Got to roll the dice here. If one of these guys pan out, it could do a lot to reverse a team's fortune.

Like this from both sides. Rams get (another) chance to get their guy and the Titans get a LOT of draft picks to try to make improvements all around.

Would be funny to see the Rams opt for Wentz over Goff. could be similar to the Smith/Rodgers deal in '05.
Rolling the dice is one thing. Mortgaging your house to let it all ride on the dice is something completely different. The question isn't whether or not there's a QB worth a number one pick. The question is whether or not one is worth all of your best picks for 2 years.

Sucks to be Cleveland right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
Easley come,  Easley go.
Interesting move. I'm willing to accept that it was the right thing to do; Bill knows what he's doing. At the same time there has to be more to it than just his being injury prone. He didn't cost much and he played well when he actually played. I'm assuming he was becoming a problem in the locker-room, and if that's the case then he was probably jettisoned so he'd become Rex Ryan's locker-room headache.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2016, 12:00:48 PM
If the league actually had any balls they'd schedule Pitt/Cinci as the opening game of the season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 14, 2016, 12:03:22 PM
Ah, I think Burfict is suspended for the first three games as of right now... So I'm guessing you'll see a Monday night, nationally televised week 4 game with PIT and Cincy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2016, 12:07:35 PM
Good point. The animosity is still plenty strong, so it'd still be fun to watch, but I suspect waiting for numbnuts to return would certainly be better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: splent on April 14, 2016, 12:14:29 PM
Packers Hawks will be nationally televised on a Sunday night. That's all I'm almost sure of.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
Packers Hawks will be nationally televised on a Sunday night. That's all I'm almost sure of.

Probably Giants vs Cowboys as well, that seems to be a Sunday night game every year
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: DragonAttack on April 14, 2016, 12:22:45 PM
As to the schedule, it all depends on who you ask as to fair/unfair.  I do know that last year's schedule for the Ravens was harsh:  5 of the first 7 games on the road.  The last time that had happened:  the 2002 Ravens.  Four of those five were out west.  And as good as they have been,  I think they've only had one home MNF game in the past eight years. 

I know many teams had three straight road contests, three straight at home, many four out of five road stretches.  There are the crazy West Coast road games, followed by a Thursday home game.  Or good ol' San Diego....10pm MNF at home, followed by a Sunday 1pm at Pittsburgh.  It seems that their East Coast games could occasionally start at 4pm.  A couple of years ago, the Falcons had three road games, then a 'home' game in London, and then a bye.  That had to be rather tough on season ticket holders as well.

I wish that all teams had a bye before their Thursday night games.  It won't happen, because it makes too much sense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2016, 12:42:53 PM
Easley come,  Easley go.
Interesting move. I'm willing to accept that it was the right thing to do; Bill knows what he's doing. At the same time there has to be more to it than just his being injury prone. He didn't cost much and he played well when he actually played. I'm assuming he was becoming a problem in the locker-room, and if that's the case then he was probably jettisoned so he'd become Rex Ryan's locker-room headache.  :lol

 :lol

It's was the background issues from what we are hearing.   Not going to their doctors for rehab, teammates off the record saying he was a cancer in the locker room.

What I like is it says they are not afraid to say they blew the pick and let's get rid of the issue asap.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 14, 2016, 01:26:01 PM
I'm EC-FUCKING-STATIC with the Rams BOLD move.  It's exactly what was needed.  The upside?  A possible genuine elite caliber franchise QB, at the very least more competent then the current roster QB's.  The down side?  Don't see one really.... I mean, what, are we gonna STAY sub 500 for the 11th straight year?? :lol  The Rams have spent the last 4 years utilizing the draft to build a young solid club.  For the most part they've done that.  This was the final piece, and to me the move made complete sense.  As far as the kings ransom?  Again... I don't think it's as bad as it looks.  One of the second rounders was from Philly last year for the Bradford/Foles.  As far as next years 3rd, we're probably gonna pick up a compensatory 3rd rounder for losing Jenkins in next years draft, that will cover that one.

At the end of the day though, the Rams probably weren't going to take the next step with Keenum, Foles or Mannion.  It's an AWESOME time to be a Los Angeles Rams fan!



GO RAMS!!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2016, 01:31:24 PM
Easley come,  Easley go.
Interesting move. I'm willing to accept that it was the right thing to do; Bill knows what he's doing. At the same time there has to be more to it than just his being injury prone. He didn't cost much and he played well when he actually played. I'm assuming he was becoming a problem in the locker-room, and if that's the case then he was probably jettisoned so he'd become Rex Ryan's locker-room headache.  :lol

 :lol

It's was the background issues from what we are hearing.   Not going to their doctors for rehab, teammates off the record saying he was a cancer in the locker room.

What I like is it says they are not afraid to say they blew the pick and let's get rid of the issue asap.
Damn. Sounds like he had a ton of issues. Pretty clear nobody will miss him there. What's interesting is that the Manziel scouting reported turned out to be absolutely spot on, but Easley seems to have the exact same issues and tendencies and presumably went unnoticed at draft time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2016, 01:50:25 PM
It all started with 2 weeks before his first camp he did not report he was bit by his own pit bull on the ankle, wrist and thigh.  His dog was put down and missed practice and the Pats were clueless.   

Something separate, he went through 3 agents representing him in 2 years while not trying to better himself in the eyes of the Pats coaching staff. His #1 focus was not on football.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2016, 03:46:50 PM
It all started with 2 weeks before his first camp he did not report he was bit by his own pit bull on the ankle, wrist and thigh.  His dog was put down and missed practice and the Pats were clueless.   

Something separate, he went through 3 agents representing him in 2 years while not trying to better himself in the eyes of the Pats coaching staff. His #1 focus was not on football.
Yeah, The Globe went into all sorts of details about his troubles. The thing that bugs me is that his friend is having to sue him because of that dog. Man, you take care of your friends when you wrong them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 14, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
Back to the topic of the Schedule being announced.  I've always paid attention to it. At least to the extent of catching the news within a day of it happening. This year holds a LOT more intrigue for me, seeing my teams back home and I'll more than likely have season tickets.  I'm sure the Rams might have another prime time game, or 2, this year.  If I were a scheduler, the first weeks game would be the Sunday night game 49ers at the Coliseum.  Talk about re-kindling history!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 05:58:19 PM
Back to the topic of the Schedule being announced.  I've always paid attention to it. At least to the extent of catching the news within a day of it happening. This year holds a LOT more intrigue for me, seeing my teams back home and I'll more than likely have season tickets.  I'm sure the Rams might have another prime time game, or 2, this year.  If I were a scheduler, the first weeks game would be the Sunday night game 49ers at the Coliseum.  Talk about re-kindling history!


Or they can have the Rams open up @ San Fransisco #schedulefail
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 14, 2016, 06:04:40 PM
Back to the topic of the Schedule being announced.  I've always paid attention to it. At least to the extent of catching the news within a day of it happening. This year holds a LOT more intrigue for me, seeing my teams back home and I'll more than likely have season tickets.  I'm sure the Rams might have another prime time game, or 2, this year.  If I were a scheduler, the first weeks game would be the Sunday night game 49ers at the Coliseum.  Talk about re-kindling history!


Or they can have the Rams open up @ San Fransisco #schedulefail

Just saw that..ON Sunday night..SMH.  Idiots...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 06:08:03 PM
Ravens get shunned (mostly) from prime time games after 1 bad season.

Hopefully they come out pissed off like in years past.

Meanwhile Dallas gets the max # of national televised and Washington gets another MNF opener...


Oh well.... is it September yet?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: bosk1 on April 14, 2016, 06:16:09 PM
Does it really count as "shunning" if it is just a team nobody cares about?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 14, 2016, 06:19:23 PM
Ooops... got it wrong, the Rams vs. 49ers is the 2nd Monday Night game opening week.  Bosky.. they almost got it perfect, just would have been more fitting at the Coliseum  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 06:22:30 PM
Having a relocated or expansion team open up at the road makes no sense, unless the team requested it for some reason.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 14, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
Having a relocated or expansion team open up at the road makes no sense, unless the team requested it for some reason.
Agreed.. you'd the NFL would completely showcase it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: splent on April 14, 2016, 06:40:03 PM
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( At the schedule for the Packers.

2 road games to open the season, including the first regular season game at the Viqueens new stadium.

WHAT IS WORSE IS A STUPID WEEK 4 BYE.

I HATE week 4 byes!!!  What is the point of having byes so early?!?! It serves NO benefit except they lose out on much needed rest later in the season. I'd rather have more teams on a bye and fewer bye weeks than bye weeks spread out so much. I'm sure it's a revenue decision, but seriously for the player's health they should have byes like between weeks 6 and 11 or something.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2016, 06:44:37 PM
I agree. Byes that early are dumb.

LA would be starting at home if they had their new stadium ready to go, but they don't.  I am sure the year where they debut their new stadium, they will be hosting one of the night games week 1.

Broncos/Panthers to open the season...nice. :hat


Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: de_fromage on April 14, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
I hope the Broncos get it together in the QB department, defense will be strong enough to upset the panthers again
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2016, 06:49:36 PM
It won't be an upset if the Broncos win week 1. Heck, it really wasn't an upset in the Super Bowl (they were only 5 1/2-pt dogs because the betting public loves to bet offense).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2016, 07:02:45 PM
5, 830pm games


Ugh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2016, 07:05:18 PM


LA would be starting at home if they had their new stadium ready to go, but they don't.  I am sure the year where they debut their new stadium, they will be hosting one of the night games week 1.


The Ravens' stadium wasn't ready until their 3rd season. Fortunately the Baltimore Ravens first ever game was in Baltimore, as it should have been. Sorry that the same common sense couldn't be applied to L.A. fans. Oh well... what's one more week I guess. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: de_fromage on April 14, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
It won't be an upset if the Broncos win week 1. Heck, it really wasn't an upset in the Super Bowl (they were only 5 1/2-pt dogs because the betting public loves to bet offense).

Defense is the way to go,SB XLVIII prove it to the Broncos, as it has happened before
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: pogoowner on April 14, 2016, 07:24:38 PM
It doesn't make much sense to me for the Rams to give up that much for the #1 pick when there isn't a consensus top QB, but hey, maybe they're convinced one of them will be great.

As for the release of the schedule, there's pretty much nothing worth noting at this time of year aside from seeing which west coast team really got screwed travel-wise. The NFL is too unpredictable to factor SOS into it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
It won't be an upset if the Broncos win week 1. Heck, it really wasn't an upset in the Super Bowl (they were only 5 1/2-pt dogs because the betting public loves to bet offense).

Defense is the way to go,SB XLVIII prove it to the Broncos, as it has happened before

You win multiple SB's you have to have balance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: The Trooper on April 15, 2016, 05:18:11 AM
(https://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/lamtwins/cowboys.jpg) (https://s144.photobucket.com/user/lamtwins/media/cowboys.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 15, 2016, 05:22:26 AM
SNIP

Saw that last night. Got a chuckle out of week 14.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2016, 05:59:27 AM
SNIP

Saw that last night. Got a chuckle out of week 14.

As a Giants fan, that is golden  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2016, 06:20:03 AM


LA would be starting at home if they had their new stadium ready to go, but they don't.  I am sure the year where they debut their new stadium, they will be hosting one of the night games week 1.


The Ravens' stadium wasn't ready until their 3rd season. Fortunately the Baltimore Ravens first ever game was in Baltimore, as it should have been. Sorry that the same common sense couldn't be applied to L.A. fans. Oh well... what's one more week I guess.

LA has football fans?? ???
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 15, 2016, 06:22:38 AM


LA would be starting at home if they had their new stadium ready to go, but they don't.  I am sure the year where they debut their new stadium, they will be hosting one of the night games week 1.


The Ravens' stadium wasn't ready until their 3rd season. Fortunately the Baltimore Ravens first ever game was in Baltimore, as it should have been. Sorry that the same common sense couldn't be applied to L.A. fans. Oh well... what's one more week I guess.

LA has football fans?? ???

 :lol Touche.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 15, 2016, 09:22:12 AM
The Jets schedule isn't too bad. The five primetime games is a pleasant surprise. The stretch from week 2 to week 7 looks tough but manageable and everything else is fairly standard as far as difficulty goes. If they get Fitzpatrick resigned or get another decent QB, things are lined up to make a run for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2016, 09:46:02 AM
Packers Hawks will be nationally televised on a Sunday night. That's all I'm almost sure of.

Probably Giants vs Cowboys as well, that seems to be a Sunday night game every year

Not that it was a crazy prediction, but yup December 11th there is it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 15, 2016, 09:50:11 AM
Packers Hawks will be nationally televised on a Sunday night. That's all I'm almost sure of.

Probably Giants vs Cowboys as well, that seems to be a Sunday night game every year

Not that it was a crazy prediction, but yup December 11th there is it.

Yeah... I think that MNF has a much better game than SNF that week  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: pogoowner on April 15, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
The NFL needs to do away with the Monday Night Football doubleheader featuring the horrendous duo of Chris Berman and Trent Dilfer in the booth.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2016, 11:46:18 AM
The NFL needs to do away with the Monday Night Football doubleheader featuring the horrendous duo of Chris Berman and Trent Dilfer in the booth.

I personally like the double header.  Its nice on the east coast to be able to catch two games on a Monday night.... but yea they could do better with getting commentators for the second game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled Tonight.
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 15, 2016, 01:07:12 PM


LA would be starting at home if they had their new stadium ready to go, but they don't.  I am sure the year where they debut their new stadium, they will be hosting one of the night games week 1.


The Ravens' stadium wasn't ready until their 3rd season. Fortunately the Baltimore Ravens first ever game was in Baltimore, as it should have been. Sorry that the same common sense couldn't be applied to L.A. fans. Oh well... what's one more week I guess.

LA has football fans?? ???

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY! Most of them just root for east coast teams, where they're originally from  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: Accelerando on April 15, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Yeah, i walked into a Goodwill in Anaheim the other day, and there were a large amount of Chargers jerseys on the racks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: El Barto on April 15, 2016, 05:28:59 PM
So who's the bigger dipshit, Manziel or Gordon? There are plenty of irresponsible nimrods in the NFL, but these two are the perennial fuckups.  Personally, I think I'll go with Manziel. Gordon is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but his mistakes are mostly about getting along with the leave. Most recently thinking he can pull one over on the league by cheating on a drug test. Lots of people try that. Manziel seems to be too stupid for life. Passing out in a rented house with a known check out time and felony dope lying in plain sight? Fuck, we knew better than that when I was 14. Moreover, where I think Gordon is probably too stupid to learn from his mistakes, Manziel clearly just doesn't care enough to.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2016, 05:31:18 PM
Manziel.  The outcry from his dad to friends to his ex agent says it all.  This kid will be found dead at some point if he doesn't get help.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: El Barto on April 15, 2016, 05:51:29 PM
Manziel.  The outcry from his dad to friends to his ex agent says it all.  This kid will be found dead at some point if he doesn't get help.
I doubt he's into anything that will kill him. I see him acting a fool for a few more years until he actually has to work for a living and then settling down and selling real estate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2016, 05:55:34 PM
He's Harry Ellis in Die Hard.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 15, 2016, 06:21:21 PM
I doubt he's into anything that will kill him. I see him acting a fool for a few more years until he actually has to work for a living and then settling down and selling real estate.

I see him going down the Ryan Leaf path.  What an epic fuck-up this guy is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: El Barto on April 15, 2016, 06:26:47 PM
He's Harry Ellis in Die Hard.
:lol
It's true on so many levels.

I doubt he's into anything that will kill him. I see him acting a fool for a few more years until he actually has to work for a living and then settling down and selling real estate.

I see him going down the Ryan Leaf path.  What an epic fuck-up this guy is.
Certainly similarities, but in Maniel's case his parents are filthy stinking rich. That makes all the difference in the world. Rich people can be junkies.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: The Trooper on April 16, 2016, 07:11:23 AM
I have Manziel in my Death Pool,
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: jingle.boy on April 17, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
I have Manziel in my Death Pool,

Not a bad call.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: El Barto on April 17, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
I have Manziel in my Death Pool,
This is the first year in forever that I'm not in a death pool, but he wouldn't have made my list. A penchant for partying alone never makes the cut. It has to include psychological problems or drug use beyond one's ability to cope. I don't gather JM is doing anything immediately dangerous, even for somebody of his limited faculties. He's not smart enough to do heroin safely, and pills combined with alcohol are tricky for anybody, but I suspect he's just doing lots of coke and a variety of head drugs. He's not depressed and he has a good safety net, so as long as he's just being young and having a good time, I don't see anything likely to kill him at this point.

Which pool are you in, by the way?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 07:47:35 AM
I doubt he's into anything that will kill him. I see him acting a fool for a few more years until he actually has to work for a living and then settling down and selling real estate.

I see him going down the Ryan Leaf path.  What an epic fuck-up this guy is.
Certainly similarities, but in Maniel's case his parents are filthy stinking rich. That makes all the difference in the world. Rich people can be junkies.

But it also likely means he won't have to result into working for a living to get that realization.  I don't see him dying anytime soon, he's just a raging alcoholic and as long as he doesn't kill himself or anyone else with a car, he'll linger on.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: splent on April 18, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
He's Harry Ellis in Die Hard.

 :rollin :rollin

OMG that is perfect
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Regular Season Schedule Unveiled
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 20, 2016, 09:34:12 AM
Interesting read on when the Browns passed on Big Ben in the 2004 draft.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15232563/the-day-browns-passed-big-ben


Quote
Roethlisberger: "Two quarterbacks had already been picked, so as a competitor, I felt underestimated. When Cleveland passed on me, technically my hometown team, that was it. I couldn't wait to have a team and play the Browns at some point. Funny how it works out I'd go to Pittsburgh and play them twice a year."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: splent on April 20, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
I'm going to try to head downtown to the draft probably on Saturday the 30th so my daughter can participate in some of those activities in Grant Park. It looked like they had a ton of stuff that catered to kids last year. Maybe I'll see a face or two as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 20, 2016, 12:00:05 PM
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15280364/cleveland-browns-trade-no-2-pick-draft-philadelphia-eagles-five-picks

Guess their QB trade (Bradford for Foles) didn't work out for either Philly or LA. Both traded up and sacrificed a number of draft picks to get in position to get one of the two QBs at the top of the draft order.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 20, 2016, 12:52:36 PM
Seems like a weird year to make those kinds of moves for QBs.

Oh well.  I wish them luck.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: pogoowner on April 20, 2016, 01:45:22 PM
Can't wait to watch the Browns blow all the draft picks they just acquired just like they did after the Julio Jones trade.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: King Postwhore on April 20, 2016, 01:49:37 PM
Still a very good move by the Browns.

Sounds weird to say that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
Still a very good move by the Browns.

Sounds weird to say that.

Yea, Im all for trading down to get extra picks and they still get a top 10 pick this year so great move for them if you ask me.  Not sure about for Philly though, I don't really think this is the year to draft a QB so high, but what do I know.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: Tom Bombadil on April 20, 2016, 03:30:21 PM
Not liking this trade at all. Too many picks for a non slam-dunk prospect.

Oh well, just gonna have to hope the QB they get turns into a star.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 20, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
Holy Shit!!


https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000654674/article/panthers-rescind-franchise-tag-on-josh-norman


I for one think that he would look great in purple!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman = UFA
Post by: KevShmev on April 20, 2016, 08:21:55 PM
Josh Norman is really good, but really great?  I don't see it.  I think he benefits greatly by the Panthers tremendous front 7.  Smart move by Carolina to not overpay him. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman = UFA
Post by: kaos2900 on April 21, 2016, 06:40:22 AM
What in the blue hell are the Eagles thinking? Apparently Chip Kelly wasn't the only one to blame for their issues.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman = UFA
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2016, 07:03:35 AM
Too bad the Panthers couldn't make a deal with Norman, but I don't blame them for their move.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 22, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15306513/josh-norman-sign-washington-redskins

He got 5 years for 75 Million.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - NFL Draft begins on April 28th
Post by: Dream Team on April 22, 2016, 07:05:43 PM
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15280364/cleveland-browns-trade-no-2-pick-draft-philadelphia-eagles-five-picks

Guess their QB trade (Bradford for Foles) didn't work out for either Philly or LA. Both traded up and sacrificed a number of draft picks to get in position to get one of the two QBs at the top of the draft order.

It's funny how guys get so worked up about the draft. Remember Brady's crying jag a few years ago when discussing it? They should just feel blessed to be in the NFL period.

Edit: whoops, meant to quote your post about Ben being passed over by Cleveland
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: King Postwhore on April 22, 2016, 07:16:27 PM
You mean territorial QB's feeling threatened?  And I don't remember Brady ever saying what you did.  It did light a fire in his assound.  It always does when they hire for your postion.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: KevShmev on April 22, 2016, 08:22:52 PM
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15306513/josh-norman-sign-washington-redskins

He got 5 years for 75 Million.

Ah, we can always count on the Redskins to overpay someone. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: King Postwhore on April 22, 2016, 08:28:38 PM
Ain't that the truth.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 25, 2016, 10:17:39 AM
Tom Brady's four game suspension has been reinstated. As a Jets fan, I'm happy. As a football fan in general, I don't know how to feel. I truly think he cheated (which may be my bias showing) but if the court had overruled it originally, I don't see how they came to the decision to overrule the overruling. I just hope that Brady can't appeal this, because I'm so sick of this saga and just want it to be over.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 10:25:51 AM
It can be but it sounds in the end it will only delay the suspension.  To me, it allows the NFL to do whatever they want with no checks and balances.  Now the NFLPA did sign the CBA but lets be honest, giving the owners this power is very dangerous for all NFL fans of all the teams.  Beware all NFL fans enjoying this moment.  Your team will be next.  Ask Miami, ask N.O.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 11:10:58 AM
It can be but it sounds in the end it will only delay the suspension.  To me, it allows the NFL to do whatever they want with no checks and balances.  Now the NFLPA did sign the CBA but lets be honest, giving the owners this power is very dangerous for all NFL fans of all the teams. Beware all NFL fans enjoying this moment.  Your team will be next.  Ask Miami, ask N.O.
Times have changed, though. It's increasingly apparent that a handful of owners run the league. While the league has established the ability to act capriciously at the will of the owners, it's only certain owners. Panthers fans have something to worry about. Cowboys fans, not so much. It's simply a matter of seeing both sides of the rift. The discussions regarding the LA relocation and the sanctions against Kraft/Patriots made that pretty clear.

Honestly, I'm ready for the NFL to die. It's become corrupt to the point of rendering it a joke, and its stance on concussions is insulting to anybody with more than 7 brain cells. I'm ready for an anti-trust challenge.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: kaos2900 on April 25, 2016, 11:24:22 AM
I wouldn't say I'm ready for the NFL to die but I'm 100% ready for Rodger Goodell to go away. Brady should not be suspended and the Patriots should not have been docked draft picks. This whole thing has been a joke from day one and the black eye of the NFL keeps getting blacker becasue of Goodell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
Goodell is a puppet for the owners as El Barto pointed out. 

All I know is there will be a strike the next contract.  That's obvious.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
Yeah, Goodell's job is to take the black eyes for the owners. The problem is that he earns a few more of them from his own incompetence. That's why I figure the owners will eventually sack him.  They need a lightning rod, but they don't need somebody creating the storms around them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 11:37:48 AM
One of the 3 judges disagrees with the ruling.


 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/25/second-circuits-chief-judge-would-have-scrapped-brady-appeal-based-in-part-on-stickum-rules/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 11:49:39 AM
It can be but it sounds in the end it will only delay the suspension.  To me, it allows the NFL to do whatever they want with no checks and balances.  Now the NFLPA did sign the CBA but lets be honest, giving the owners this power is very dangerous for all NFL fans of all the teams. Beware all NFL fans enjoying this moment.  Your team will be next.  Ask Miami, ask N.O.
Times have changed, though. It's increasingly apparent that a handful of owners run the league. While the league has established the ability to act capriciously at the will of the owners, it's only certain owners. Panthers fans have something to worry about. Cowboys fans, not so much. It's simply a matter of seeing both sides of the rift. The discussions regarding the LA relocation and the sanctions against Kraft/Patriots made that pretty clear.

Honestly, I'm ready for the NFL to die. It's become corrupt to the point of rendering it a joke, and its stance on concussions is insulting to anybody with more than 7 brain cells. I'm ready for an anti-trust challenge.

Dallas didn't get out of the "No salary cap year" rule break which was ridiculous since it was quite clear they didn't break any rule.

I want Goodell out too, this is getting ridiculous and I can't believe how Brady is now suspended again  :facepalm: I haven't looked into it this time around and not even sure I want to, it's just old now and it rubs me the wrong way at this point (And I am one who thinks Brady was guilty too).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 11:55:00 AM
It's also about structure for punishment.  He's free to set any punishment.  Some get a slap on the wrist for using stuck um, heating footballs but you let out air and it's 4 games.  That's why there needs to be a neutral arbiter. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Josh Norman signs with Washington
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 12:02:02 PM
It can be but it sounds in the end it will only delay the suspension.  To me, it allows the NFL to do whatever they want with no checks and balances.  Now the NFLPA did sign the CBA but lets be honest, giving the owners this power is very dangerous for all NFL fans of all the teams. Beware all NFL fans enjoying this moment.  Your team will be next.  Ask Miami, ask N.O.
Times have changed, though. It's increasingly apparent that a handful of owners run the league. While the league has established the ability to act capriciously at the will of the owners, it's only certain owners. Panthers fans have something to worry about. Cowboys fans, not so much. It's simply a matter of seeing both sides of the rift. The discussions regarding the LA relocation and the sanctions against Kraft/Patriots made that pretty clear.

Honestly, I'm ready for the NFL to die. It's become corrupt to the point of rendering it a joke, and its stance on concussions is insulting to anybody with more than 7 brain cells. I'm ready for an anti-trust challenge.

Dallas didn't get out of the "No salary cap year" rule break which was ridiculous since it was quite clear they didn't break any rule.

I want Goodell out too, this is getting ridiculous and I can't believe how Brady is now suspended again  :facepalm: I haven't looked into it this time around and not even sure I want to, it's just old now and it rubs me the wrong way at this point (And I am one who thinks Brady was guilty too).
That was then and this is now. In fact, that was a key impetus in Jerry (and Little Danny, as well) becoming as involved as they have. If you do a search for old money and new money in the NFL there is plenty written about the schism between the owners. Sticking it to Kraft was an outcome of that. Bullying the Chargers out of their relocation was a bigger one.

Interestingly, I doubt the owners actually want Brady suspended at all. He's one of the NFL's biggest stars (sold more merchandise than any other player last year). The teams they play in weeks 1-4 will enjoy playing a weakened team but won't enjoy the lack of interest the games get without Brady. The owners wanted to stick it to Kraft and the Patriots, which they did (and quietly convinced him not to appeal). Two of those are prime-time games, as well. That's certainly not good business for the NFL.

And Rex Ryan is a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 12:18:44 PM
BTW, not being brought up in the Pederson 8th circuit appeal in MN, that is about Article 46 which could change everything about the power of the commissioner.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 12:50:11 PM
BTW, I wore my Patriots Moss jersey when I was traveling and had some great interactions with various people. I liked the Jets fans better because I can give them shit. Giants fans and I generally maintained quiet respect for each other and left it at that. One guy at the car rental place was a Jets fan but commended me anyway for it being a Moss jersey (and also thought the deflategate thing was bullshit).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 01:06:25 PM
BTW, I wore my Patriots Moss jersey when I was traveling and had some great interactions with various people. I liked the Jets fans better because I can give them shit. Giants fans and I generally maintained quiet respect for each other and left it at that. One guy at the car rental place was a Jets fan but commended me anyway for it being a Moss jersey (and also thought the deflategate thing was bullshit).

Well if you approach people and say "Im a patriots fan because Dallas is my closest NFL team" then you are certainly going to get along with Giants fans.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: Hyperplex on April 25, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
Bradford wants out of Philly; Eagles "blindsided"

https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000655664/article/sam-bradford-requests-trade-eagles-blindsided?campaign=fb-nf-sf25002236-sf25002236
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 01:06:44 PM
Face to Face it's fun ribbing.  For more fans they hate the Pats but know how corrupt the owners and Goodell are.

Funny thing though, I took more crap for my Red Sox shirt in Columbus, OH then my Pats T-Shirt or Hat.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
BTW, I wore my Patriots Moss jersey when I was traveling and had some great interactions with various people. I liked the Jets fans better because I can give them shit. Giants fans and I generally maintained quiet respect for each other and left it at that. One guy at the car rental place was a Jets fan but commended me anyway for it being a Moss jersey (and also thought the deflategate thing was bullshit).

Well if you approach people and say "Im a patriots fan because Dallas is my closest NFL team" then you are certainly going to get along with Giants fans.  :lol
:lol   I suppose that's true, but it was a Rams fan that asked me about it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 25, 2016, 02:01:02 PM
BTW, I wore my Patriots Moss jersey when I was traveling and had some great interactions with various people. I liked the Jets fans better because I can give them shit. Giants fans and I generally maintained quiet respect for each other and left it at that. One guy at the car rental place was a Jets fan but commended me anyway for it being a Moss jersey (and also thought the deflategate thing was bullshit).

As a Jets fan, my hatred of the Pats comes from how good they have been for the past decade and a half. The way I see it, if you don't hate your favorite team's biggest rival, they're doing something wrong. I don't hate the Dolphins anywhere near as much as I hate Nee England. Regardless of whether the Patriots cheated or not, they still won four Super Bowls, six conference championships, thirteen division titles, and earned 10 first round byes under the Brady/Belichick rule. That has nothing to do with cheating. That has everything to do with good roster building, good team chemistry, good coaching, and good football playing. The simple fact is, the Brady/Belichick Patriots were gonna be a dynasty anyway.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: KevShmev on April 25, 2016, 07:30:23 PM
  Regardless of whether the Patriots cheated or not, they still won four Super Bowls, six conference championships, thirteen division titles, and earned 10 first round byes under the Brady/Belichick rule. That has nothing to do with cheating. That has everything to do with good roster building, good team chemistry, good coaching, and good football playing. The simple fact is, the Brady/Belichick Patriots were gonna be a dynasty anyway.

Very true. That'w why it is unfortunate that they had to do Spygate, because it calls into question the legitimacy of their greatness for some*, and that is the Patriots own fault.

You have to wonder if deep down, Brady isn't kicking himself a little bit for how he handled the Deflategate story right after it broke.  I can't help but think this story would have been over a long time ago and he would have gotten just a fine had he been fully cooperative.  And I hope anyone isn't obtuse enough to ask how he wasn't cooperative. :lol :lol

*Not me...I still think Belichick is the best NFL coach since I started watching football in the mid 80s, and Brady is one of the best two or three QBs ever (possibly the best, depending on what day it is).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 07:36:10 PM
  Regardless of whether the Patriots cheated or not, they still won four Super Bowls, six conference championships, thirteen division titles, and earned 10 first round byes under the Brady/Belichick rule. That has nothing to do with cheating. That has everything to do with good roster building, good team chemistry, good coaching, and good football playing. The simple fact is, the Brady/Belichick Patriots were gonna be a dynasty anyway.

Very true. That'w why it is unfortunate that they had to do Spygate, because it calls into question the legitimacy of their greatness for some*, and that is the Patriots own fault.

You have to wonder if deep down, Brady isn't kicking himself a little bit for how he handled the Deflategate story right after it broke.  I can't help but think this story would have been over a long time ago and he would have gotten just a fine had he been fully cooperative.  And I hope anyone isn't obtuse enough to ask how he wasn't cooperative. :lol :lol

*Not me...I still think Belichick is the best NFL coach since I started watching football in the mid 80s, and Brady is one of the best two or three QBs ever (possibly the best, depending on what day it is).
Agreed on all parts (other than the timeframe of Belichick's greatness  ;) ). The spygate thing hurt them twice. Not only did it call into question what they had accomplished, it made the deflategate thing impossible for many to see objectively. I really think without that first strike people are less quick to judge this time around.

At the same time I think the league does the same thing, just with more scorn hurled its way for being a joke. I've pretty much decided this was never about cheating at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 25, 2016, 07:42:56 PM
Though it was legal to film from the sidelines until the start of the 2007 season and null and voids all screamers of the Pats have no legit SB's.  Even Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson said they did it was well
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2016, 09:18:42 PM
Though it was legal to film from the sidelines until the start of the 2007 season and null and voids all screamers of the Pats have no legit SB's.  Even Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson said they did it was well
Jimmy was up to a helluva lot worse than that. But it doesn't matter. If they all break the rules and the Patriots get caught, then the people who want to call them cheaters can legitimately do so. It just bugs me that it got expanded to include a made up offense.

And what's the ABV of your latest brew? Might want to tone it down a notch.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: pogoowner on April 25, 2016, 09:24:47 PM
And what's the ABV of your latest brew? Might want to tone it down a notch.  :lol
I think my mind has developed a kingshmegland translator. I barely noticed anything until I went back and re-read his post. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2016, 04:12:34 AM
 :lol

It's was more like half awake on my recliner and I should have gone to bed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 06:40:50 AM
The Eagles better be careful or they're going to turn into the Browns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: The Trooper on April 26, 2016, 06:53:19 AM
IMHO it all comes down to the NFL just pushing their power around. I am no Brady fan. but he is just being used as the poster boy by the NFL to attempt to prove their power.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2016, 07:43:34 AM
The players association was dumb enough to sign this contract.  What should bother all NFL fans is the abuse of this power and uneven punishments.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: The Trooper on April 26, 2016, 07:53:52 AM
100% agree King.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 07:58:45 AM
The Eagles better be careful or they're going to turn into the Browns.

Fine with me  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 26, 2016, 08:14:40 AM
The Eagles better be careful or they're going to turn into the Browns.

Fine with me  :biggrin:

Philadelphia Beagles :neverusethis:

LOL Brady.  The most exciting news of the off season so far.


The players association was dumb enough to sign this contract.  What should bother all NFL fans is the abuse of this power and uneven punishments.

Never gonna change man.  It's the culture in which we live.  It'll just keep on going until the next comet hits.  For now, just enjoy the game while it lasts...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2016, 08:17:23 AM
Well, in 2020 it will end in a strike.  It's headed that way.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: Dream Team on April 26, 2016, 06:57:08 PM
To quote Daryus of the G.N.E., "justice will be served".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2016, 06:58:30 PM
It's not justice when the one with the gavel is corrupt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: kaos2900 on April 27, 2016, 06:41:48 AM
Can all of the sports news entities PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT JOHNNY MANZIEL? The guy is a douche and was NEVER going to make it in the NFL in the first place. He does not deserve nearly the amount of attention that he's getting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 27, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
LOL Manziel.  They couldn't stop talking about him when he got drafted and he turned out to be only a fraction of what they said he was.  Now that he's been indicted, maybe they should just open mouth and insert foot.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2016, 12:00:48 PM
It's not justice when the one with the gavel is corrupt.

Eh, the players union is supposed to represent Tom. They signed a legal contract giving Goodell the power to do what he did. Goodell then exercised the power he had been legally granted. That's it plain and simple.

Now you might not like what Goodell did, you might say that his punishments are inconsistent, etc... but none of that negates the above. And that's exactly what this recent court ruling says. Honestly if I was Brady I won't necessarily be mad at Goodell, I'd be more mad at my union for signing that crappy deal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2016, 12:07:55 PM
I'm not denying that at all.  There has to be a fair process and it is well documented that this process was not fair.  2020 there will be a strike.  It it can happen to one of the top 5 players in the league, it can happen to anyone.  Fair process is what is the next battle will be about.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2016, 12:10:41 PM
It's not justice when the one with the gavel is corrupt.

Eh, the players union is supposed to represent Tom. They signed a legal contract giving Goodell the power to do what he did. Goodell then exercised the power he had been legally granted. That's it plain and simple.

Now you might not like what Goodell did, you might say that his punishments are inconsistent, etc... but none of that negates the above. And that's exactly what this recent court ruling says. Honestly if I was Brady I won't necessarily be mad at Goodell, I'd be more mad at my union for signing that crappy deal.
I agree with your assessment. However there's room to be mad at both. I suspect there was an expectation that Goodell would exercise his discretionary power fairly and in the best interest of the league. He did neither here.

Also, there was an article about how that CBA came to be in 2011 recently. Punishment by the league, which had generally been pretty reasonable, was low on the list of priorities in favor of far more important matters. That won't be the case come 2020. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2016, 12:14:24 PM
I'm not denying that at all.  There has to be a fair process and it is well documented that this process was not fair.  2020 there will be a strike.  It it can happen to one of the top 5 players in the league, it can happen to anyone.  Fair process is what is the next battle will be about.

I agree that in the future a "fair" process should be determined, but that doesn't really apply to the current situation, as it is under the current contract the union and league negotiated, that's all I'm saying. Also, whether or not the player in question is considered "a top player" should not be taken into account when it comes to player discipline. In fact, if that is taken into account, I'd argue you might be moving farther away from being "fair".

I agree with your assessment. However there's room to be mad at both. I suspect there was an expectation that Goodell would exercise his discretionary power fairly and in the best interest of the league. He did neither here.

Also, there was an article about how that CBA came to be in 2011 recently. Punishment by the league, which had generally been pretty reasonable, was low on the list of priorities in favor of far more important matters. That won't be the case come 2020. 

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2016, 12:26:51 PM
There needs to be structure so an equipment violation is not 2 draft picks, 1 million dollars and a suspension of 4 games for "he might know something so he's guilty".  While other team, heat up the balls on the sideline on TV and get a "cut that out" and another uses stickum on towels and get $25,000 fine. 

There needs to be guildlines and not "at the digression" of the commissioner.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
There needs to be structure so an equipment violation is not 2 draft picks, 1 million dollars and a suspension of 4 games for "he might know something so he's guilty".  While other team, heat up the balls on the sideline on TV and get a "cut that out" and another uses stickum on towels and get $25,000 fine. 

There needs to be guildlines and not "at the digression" of the commissioner.

Agreed. But can we also agree that since Goodell was contractual given the power to hand out discipline pretty much however the hell he wanted, that he could have taken 200 draft picks, 100 billion dollars and suspended Tom until 2112 (nugget) if he wanted to? And that all would have been completely within in his power?

Because that's what this recent ruling said. It didn't say Tom deflated balls, it didn't say 2 draft picks and 4 games was too harsh. It merely determined that Goodell was in fact acting within his contractually awarded power. And that is accurate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2016, 12:55:05 PM
Oh I agree.  We can also say that he's also doing the bidding of many of the owners who thought the punishment for Spygate was not harsh enough.  funny, at the time that was the biggest penalty ever.  Also it wasn't illegal to film from the sideline until the 2007 season.  It was BB's arrogance to try to work around that so he deserved it but it wasn't enough?

It bugs a lot of Pats fans when you hear Goodell say "The integrity of the game" when he and the owners have not acted with integrity at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2016, 01:01:34 PM
It bugs a lot of Pats fans when you hear Goodell say "The integrity of the game" when he and the owners have not acted with integrity at all.
Hear, hear.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Brady's suspension reinstated.
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2016, 01:30:12 PM
Oh I agree.  We can also say that he's also doing the bidding of many of the owners who thought the punishment for Spygate was not harsh enough.  funny, at the time that was the biggest penalty ever.  Also it wasn't illegal to film from the sideline until the 2007 season.  It was BB's arrogance to try to work around that so he deserved it but it wasn't enough?

It bugs a lot of Pats fans when you hear Goodell say "The integrity of the game" when he and the owners have not acted with integrity at all.

Yup, I agree with all that. Goes back to what was discussed earlier about the next contract negotiations in 2020, should be very interesting to see how those play out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: axeman90210 on April 28, 2016, 07:41:53 AM
I'll be watching the draft tonight with my fingers crossed whispering "Please not Paxton Lynch" over and over again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2016, 07:58:36 AM
The draft is always a fun time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: axeman90210 on April 28, 2016, 08:19:35 AM
Yup. Looking forward to getting together with a few friends and drink some beers for the first round.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 28, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
Oh yeah, so much fun.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2016, 08:44:49 AM
I'll be watching the draft tonight with my fingers crossed whispering "Please not Paxton Lynch" over and over again.

I will watch the second round. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: El Barto on April 28, 2016, 09:45:10 AM
I'll be watching the draft tonight with my fingers crossed whispering "Please not Paxton Lynch" over and over again.

I will watch the second round. :lol
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. At the same time we're just assuming that the league doesn't dock them their second rounder for parking a non-existent car in the commissioner's space at Grant Park tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: axeman90210 on April 28, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
I'll be watching the draft tonight with my fingers crossed whispering "Please not Paxton Lynch" over and over again.

I will watch the second round. :lol

Almost forgot about that :P The guy hosting tonight is the one who's good friends with Shaun Hill, I'm pretty sure he's got two different HF beers on tap at his place right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2016, 10:50:40 AM
Now that makes me jealous.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2016, 01:38:13 PM
If I hear one more idiot talk about Tim Tebow as a back up if Brady serves his 4 games this year I will hurt someone.

WTF people.  He can't make any team as a QB.  He is not a pro QB!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: axeman90210 on April 28, 2016, 02:22:08 PM
Wait, people were actually suggesting that? :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 02:31:56 PM
I'm elated that the Rams and Eagles have traded up for QBs. Now the Ravens essentially have the 4th pick. Excited for them to be in position to get an impact player since they usually draft much later in the first round.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
Wait, people were actually suggesting that? :lol

Only the morons that call talk radio.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 28, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
I know all the talking heads, at least 80% of them, are saying the Rams will select Jared Goff with the #1 Pick. While they are probably right...my instincts are saying they're going to go for Carson Wentz. Honestly?? Who the hell knows which one will pan out or be more prominent in the NFL? But I love the upside potential of Wentz. If you're gonna swing for the fence... which the Rams have obviously chose to do... swing big!!!!!!!! GO LOS ANGELES RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 04:08:18 PM
Mad that I can't watch the draft because I have a REALLY cheap cable package (part of the reason why I HATE comcast, it's so fucking expensive... if there were any other way I could I would drop them immediately, but I can't at this point)... I don't even have ESPN. I have NO sports channels. So I can't watch the draft.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 05:19:47 PM
I know all the talking heads, at least 80% of them, are saying the Rams will select Jared Goff with the #1 Pick. While they are probably right...my instincts are saying they're going to go for Carson Wentz. Honestly?? Who the hell knows which one will pan out or be more prominent in the NFL? But I love the upside potential of Wentz. If you're gonna swing for the fence... which the Rams have obviously chose to do... swing big!!!!!!!! GO LOS ANGELES RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats again! Glad that you got your team back.


Mad that I can't watch the draft because I have a REALLY cheap cable package (part of the reason why I HATE comcast, it's so fucking expensive... if there were any other way I could I would drop them immediately, but I can't at this point)... I don't even have ESPN. I have NO sports channels. So I can't watch the draft.


Go to a sports bar..... or in your case... attend the draft  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 05:28:36 PM
I love the draft. Given the odd crap that has been going on. It is apparent the 2 qb's are going to be 1 and 2. Then the chips will fall. More interested in the rest after the first 2, especially since my g men pick.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 05:38:17 PM
Can't go with my 5 year old. Are you crazy :lol

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
Can't go with my 5 year old. Are you crazy :lol

ah go for it. j/k. trust me as a father of twin boys I hear ya.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 06:12:02 PM
Why are the Rams taking so long to make their pick? They've had plenty of time to make their choice. Why not send the pick in after 1 second to show your new franchise QB that you have confidence in?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
they said they would. just being butt plugs. they are gonna go with goff cause they have gurley in the back and let goff throw. wentz is more of a scrambler. either way, mu opinion neither qbs are top 2 picks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:17:37 PM
It will start to get interesting with what the chargers and cowturds do
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:21:08 PM
as a Giant fan. I want Bosa which will make them one of the best D's in the league. I do not think it will happen. But I can hope
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 06:22:00 PM
 :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:

I'm so shocked at the Rams pick.

 :|
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:24:04 PM
need a pick up off the floor after the first 2 picks Splent lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 06:26:14 PM
need a pick up off the floor after the first 2 picks Splent lol

I know I'm dead
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:32:21 PM
me too after Bosa just went to Chargers. Now I want Buckner, Lawson or Elliot
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2016, 06:35:40 PM
I get that he sucks, but booing Goodall every time he comes out to make a pick gets old really quick.  NBA fans used to do that to Stern, too, who was good at trolling them back.  Then again, I can't imagine how boring it must be to attend the NFL draft, so what else is there to do?  :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 06:38:19 PM
I get that he sucks, but booing Goodall every time he comes out to make a pick gets old really quick.  NBA fans used to do that to Stern, too, who was good at trolling them back.  Then again, I can't imagine how boring it must be to attend the NFL draft, so what else is there to do?  :lol :lol

They've done that ever since the strike. It's old. But he blows. I can't wait until there's a new commissioner.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:41:28 PM
LOL as long as ass munch is commish they will boo. The draft will now get fun should be interseting
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
Barring the Jaguars pick, the Ravens could end up with either Ramsey... or who I want.. a franchise OT. Hopeing that either Tunsil or Stanley is that guy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:43:57 PM
Jags will go Ramsey and Ravens Tunsil. I think
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:45:04 PM
Tunail is /was the best available player in the draft IMHO.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:46:53 PM
There ya go Chaos. U are gonna get Tunsil. a steal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:48:04 PM
Now I so want Lawson at 10!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 06:48:21 PM
Tunsil has some character question marks apparently. Hopefully he is serious about football. We shall see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:51:42 PM
Tunsil has some character question marks apparently. Hopefully he is serious about football. We shall see.

True...........but with that Raven staff, if there are worries, they are a staff that can keep him in line.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 06:52:21 PM
Ravens picking in the top 10 for the first time since 2003? Use their 10 minutes to talk about not the Ravens.  :censored
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 06:53:48 PM
Ronnie Stanley, Welcome to Baltimore.

Guess they thought that Tunsil was too risky.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:54:42 PM
would have gone Tunsil, but Stanley is a solid pick. just needs motivation I think. seems a bit "slacky"
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:55:35 PM
Tunsil will fall now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:57:25 PM
LOL. Now it just got interesting with Tunsil and a Bong
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 06:59:54 PM
Tunsil will drop big. Conklin will go before
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 07:06:11 PM
Tunsil will drop big. Conklin will go before


Good call.


Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:06:39 PM
I should have played the lottery lol. Tunsil may fall till the 20's
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 07:07:03 PM
Browns trade down again. This is smart. They need as many picks as they can get.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
agree. Now I want Lawson. Love this kid. He is a monster.aybe even better than Bosa
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:13:28 PM
hmmmmmmmmm Chicago just thru a loop
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:15:59 PM
Ok G men. do the right thing! Law man!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:23:12 PM
f me :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2016, 07:25:18 PM
That's rough. Hopefully, he'll develop.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
Hate the pick. Hate it
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 07:27:18 PM
That aside.............kids that have the opportunity to make millions. Stay off social media. MORONS
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 07:32:40 PM
I like his name. Apple :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 28, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Jets should have taken Lynch. IMHO, HE was the best QB in the draft. Elway knows QB's and with Kubiak, this kid can be a monster. A STEAL for the Broncos.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: splent on April 28, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
GOD I fucking hate Bear fans... shouting out "Let's Go Bears" while the commish announces the Packers pick.

Kenny Clark should be a decent pick. I wanted Reggie Raglund myself, but they said he had some injury concerns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 29, 2016, 04:14:07 AM
Jets should have taken Lynch. IMHO, HE was the best QB in the draft. Elway knows QB's and with Kubiak, this kid can be a monster. A STEAL for the Broncos.

They're still holding out for Fitzpatrick who they already know can play well for them. Linebacker was a huge need for them and they were able to address it without reaching too far to do so. I love the pick personally.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2016, 04:53:54 AM
Panthers picked another DL.

Their philosophy is that the best pass defense is a QB on his ass.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Dream Team on April 29, 2016, 06:16:31 PM
Jets should have taken Lynch. IMHO, HE was the best QB in the draft. Elway knows QB's and with Kubiak, this kid can be a monster. A STEAL for the Broncos.

They're still holding out for Fitzpatrick who they already know can play well for them. Linebacker was a huge need for them and they were able to address it without reaching too far to do so. I love the pick personally.

After Fitz threw 3 picks in the fourth quarter of a must-win game, I don't understand the faith people have in him. It was the most Fitz-like performance ever.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 29, 2016, 06:56:38 PM
Jets should have taken Lynch. IMHO, HE was the best QB in the draft. Elway knows QB's and with Kubiak, this kid can be a monster. A STEAL for the Broncos.

They're still holding out for Fitzpatrick who they already know can play well for them. Linebacker was a huge need for them and they were able to address it without reaching too far to do so. I love the pick personally.

After Fitz threw 3 picks in the fourth quarter of a must-win game, I don't understand the faith people have in him. It was the most Fitz-like performance ever.

The whole team played poorly that day. He didn't play badly until all of the pressure was on him. Only a Brady/Manning/Rodgers like QB will succeed in that type of stipulation. No matter anyway as the Jets picked a QB in the second round, officially taking away all of Fitz's leverage in contract talks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: millahh on April 29, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
Jets should have taken Lynch. IMHO, HE was the best QB in the draft. Elway knows QB's and with Kubiak, this kid can be a monster. A STEAL for the Broncos.

They're still holding out for Fitzpatrick who they already know can play well for them. Linebacker was a huge need for them and they were able to address it without reaching too far to do so. I love the pick personally.

After Fitz threw 3 picks in the fourth quarter of a must-win game, I don't understand the faith people have in him. It was the most Fitz-like performance ever.

The whole team played poorly that day. He didn't play badly until all of the pressure was on him. Only a Brady/Manning/Rodgers like QB will succeed in that type of stipulation. No matter anyway as the Jets picked a QB in the second round, officially taking away all of Fitz's leverage in contract talks.

Is Hackenberg any more ready than Petty, though?  Not sure he's ready enough to be real leverage.

Related, very surprised that Houston didn't take Hackenberg...I figured O'Brien had been planning on getting him for the past couple of years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: pogoowner on April 29, 2016, 11:25:30 PM
Related, very surprised that Houston didn't take Hackenberg...I figured O'Brien had been planning on getting him for the past couple of years.
My guess is that they wouldn't want to deal with the circus it would create after giving a big contract to Osweiler. Plus that would be a fairly high pick for a guy that they theoretically have no plan to start anytime remotely soon.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on April 30, 2016, 10:55:18 AM
Jets should have taken Lynch. IMHO, HE was the best QB in the draft. Elway knows QB's and with Kubiak, this kid can be a monster. A STEAL for the Broncos.

They're still holding out for Fitzpatrick who they already know can play well for them. Linebacker was a huge need for them and they were able to address it without reaching too far to do so. I love the pick personally.

Jets need to eat a bullet and decide what they are doing at QB. Geno is a bust, they need to put the Baylor kid in.

After Fitz threw 3 picks in the fourth quarter of a must-win game, I don't understand the faith people have in him. It was the most Fitz-like performance ever.

The whole team played poorly that day. He didn't play badly until all of the pressure was on him. Only a Brady/Manning/Rodgers like QB will succeed in that type of stipulation. No matter anyway as the Jets picked a QB in the second round, officially taking away all of Fitz's leverage in contract talks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
As a PSU alum and have watched all of Hackenberg's games, I can say the kid needs foot work and a confidence boost.  For the Jet's, he would be best to sit for at least a year, but given their QB situation, who knows.  I wouldn't feel comfortable with Geno starting and I wouldn't want to give Fitz a fat contract.  The Jet's OL is not very good right now so that would be a major problem for Hackenberg since without an OL at PSU he was unable to make plays on his own.  He probably has better natural QB skills than Petty though. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: The Trooper on May 18, 2016, 08:24:44 PM
https://dailysnark.com/report-tony-romo-arrested-north-carolina-using-mens-bathroom/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: KevShmev on May 18, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
https://dailysnark.com/report-tony-romo-arrested-north-carolina-using-mens-bathroom/

If that was supposed to be funny or clever, the writers of that failed miserably.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 19, 2016, 05:13:46 AM
https://dailysnark.com/report-tony-romo-arrested-north-carolina-using-mens-bathroom/

If that was supposed to be funny or clever, the writers of that failed miserably.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Draft time!
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2016, 06:26:10 AM
As a Giants fan, I enjoyed the joke  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 06:04:03 PM
So the rumors are that Talib Plexico'd himself.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on June 06, 2016, 06:24:08 PM
So the rumors are that Talib Plexico'd himself.
:rollin   I haven't seen of reports of that, but it wouldn't surprise me. He's a numbskull and also the sort of guy that likes to fire a gun into the air.


What's interesting to me is reading up on the clubs he hangs out in. I've lived in Dallas all my life and I'd never heard of any of these places. Not surprising as they're entirely out of my league financially. Sort of like the club George Costanza's model friend partied at that closed down rather than allow one loser to know of its existence. He fancies clubs that cater to rich idiots and their wannabes.  That'd be fine if it were The Harrow Club or something, but they're all really awful, apparently. In the case of Vlive, where he got shot, $40 parking, $40 cover, $150+ bottle service only and the strippers don't even get topless. It's also in a pretty dodgy neighborhood for a titty-bar.

Dude probably should have shot himself about 4 feet higher.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 06:29:43 PM
 :lol

Here you go El Barto.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/06/report-talib-told-others-he-shot-himself/

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2016, 06:50:25 PM
Bronco or not, Talib is a complete and total tool.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 07:16:39 PM
I knew that as a Patriot but in pro sports talent overrides being a jackass.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on June 06, 2016, 07:42:57 PM
If that's the case he's going to be facing some charges. This certainly isn't NY, but carrying a weapon where alcohol sales make up 51% of the gross is a felony. His silly ass probably didn't have a CCL, so that's another one. Not to mention a variety of disorderly conduct misdemeanors. He won't go to Huntsville or anything, but he'll get a pretty stiff probation/community service wrap, a la Michael Irvin. Not to mention that Roger Goodell might slap him with a twenty five dollar fine or something.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 07:47:55 PM
It amazes me how many athletes hang out at strip joints until the weekend hours of the morning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 08:10:02 PM
Oh and....


(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/FB_IMG_1465265262991_zpsim3m2hd1.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/FB_IMG_1465265262991_zpsim3m2hd1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2016, 08:12:43 PM
Shoving a woman out of a moving car?  Oof.

I think I'd walk that one back, my fellow sports fan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 08:14:17 PM
Lol. Fantasy.   I'm a beaten down married man Kev.

I never win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2016, 08:17:30 PM
   I'm a beaten down married man Kev.
 

(https://i.imgur.com/TxXW70P.gif)

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2016, 08:19:30 PM
 :lol

Truth.  Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on June 06, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
It amazes me how many athletes hang out at strip joints until the weekend hours of the morning.
Nah, that's when the girls are drunk and looking for a ride home.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 07, 2016, 04:17:06 AM
 :lol

Very true. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: dparrott on June 08, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
Behind the scenes of the upcoming Marshawn Lynch interview.  "Run through a muthaf :censored s face!"  :lol
https://youtu.be/Ut2vrhQZhI0
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2016, 12:36:34 PM
As a married Patriot fan that can't afford those kinds of clubs either (and doesn't quite get why you'd pay that scratch to see girls in a bikini, when you can do that for free at the beach), the last 15 posts or so have been total, utter win, like Montana to Rice for the game-winner.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on June 16, 2016, 06:09:33 PM
Rex Ryan is bragging that the Bills won the offseason.

Congrats, now let us know when a team you coach ever wins a postseason.

Actually, we can set the bar a tad lower: let us know when a team you coach ever wins a division. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 16, 2016, 06:11:02 PM
I posted it on Facebook. I chuckled so damn hard.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 17, 2016, 04:29:10 AM
Rex Ryan is bragging that the Bills won the offseason.

Congrats, now let us know when a team you coach ever wins a postseason.

Actually, we can set the bar a tad lower: let us know when a team you coach ever wins a division. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

He's an asshat. All there is to his coaching is obnoxious quotes and empty promises. He's a brilliant defensive mind but he can't run a full team to save his life. He lets the players run the asylum and it always ends in disaster. As a Jets fan I used to stick up for him all the time and say that the bad play in the last four years was due to bad management decisions and that he was doing the best job possible but now that he's gone and a first year Todd Bowles was one win away from the playoffs (and from a division title if that one win was in the first game against NE) while Rex went 8-8 yet again, I can clearly see that he was a huge part of the problem. Good riddance and here's hoping he stays in Buffalo for a long time so that they can continue being mediocre.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2016, 07:32:50 AM
I don't think he is that bad of a coach, he's really good with the defense, but he definitely has a big mouth and winning the offseason is not something to brag about since now if you don't show results it looks like it's all on the coaching since he clearly has the players if he won the offseason.  If he doesn't make the playoffs he should be fired for saying that and not backing it up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
I see from the poll there is at least one Falcon fan here.... so any suggestions for going to a game?  I'll be in Atlanta for the home opener against the Bucs.  Looks like tickets are fairly cheap on stubhub so was wondering if I should grab one now or just wait till closer to game time?  How are prices typically?  Getting to/from the stadium, any public transportation?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on June 20, 2016, 02:44:22 PM
I kinda forgot there was a poll.  I just kinda ignore it now.  Looking back at it, I am a bit surprised there are no votes for the Colts or Saints.  I am not surprised there are no votes for the Jaguars.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: pogoowner on June 20, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
I kinda forgot there was a poll.  I just kinda ignore it now.  Looking back at it, I am a bit surprised there are no votes for the Colts or Saints.  I am not surprised there are no votes for the Jaguars.
I find the abundance of Vikings fans kind of surprising.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 20, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
I find the amount of Pats fans surprising.  Since they are the most hated right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 23, 2016, 01:43:18 AM
I'm a very happy camper today!  In '94 my Rams left me.  Today I did something I thought impossible in 1995, I bought Los Angeles Rams season tickets.  :metal :metal :metal

The Rams opened up for Season Ticket deposits for a week, and received 57,000 $100 deposits.  I got in probably between 10-15k down the list, and that was calling 3.5 hours after the windows opened up.  When I went through the process today there were fewer than 3000 season tickets left!  It was slim pickens' for sure, but I'm happy as a pig in shit that I got seats!  I feel for the 30k peeps behind me who won't get season tix this season.  I've talked to quite a few people over the last 4 weeks since they started the process and knew my chances were rough.  Most everyone I talked to were buying 6-8 tix each.  Knowing how far down the list I was a little depressing.  The day the windows opened I had to work and was not able to call till 3.5 hrs in.  I  bought 8 seats along with 3 of my work buddies, 2 for each of us.  Needless to say, all of us are so stoked!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2016, 05:53:59 AM
That's awesome.  No PSLs?  That's even more awesome.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 23, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
That's awesome.  No PSLs?  That's even more awesome.

Those will be coming in 2019 with the new stadium.  Pretty sure I'll have to sell the grandkids on eBay.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on June 23, 2016, 06:17:40 AM
Nah, by then, the majority of people in LA will have remembered that they don't care that much about football, and you'll be able to get them cheap. Score!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 07:35:53 AM
I'm a very happy camper today!  In '94 my Rams left me.  Today I did something I thought impossible in 1995, I bought Los Angeles Rams season tickets.  :metal :metal :metal

The Rams opened up for Season Ticket deposits for a week, and received 57,000 $100 deposits.  I got in probably between 10-15k down the list, and that was calling 3.5 hours after the windows opened up.  When I went through the process today there were fewer than 3000 season tickets left!  It was slim pickens' for sure, but I'm happy as a pig in shit that I got seats!  I feel for the 30k peeps behind me who won't get season tix this season.  I've talked to quite a few people over the last 4 weeks since they started the process and knew my chances were rough.  Most everyone I talked to were buying 6-8 tix each.  Knowing how far down the list I was a little depressing.  The day the windows opened I had to work and was not able to call till 3.5 hrs in.  I  bought 8 seats along with 3 of my work buddies, 2 for each of us.  Needless to say, all of us are so stoked!!
That's awesome!  I'm not convinced yet that football will succeed in LA, but for your sake I hope it does!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 23, 2016, 07:38:51 AM
That's awesome!  I'm not convinced yet that football will succeed in LA, but for your sake I hope it does!

I'm baffled as to why it wouldn't succeed. LA is a big market, one of the biggest, and the NFL is easily the most popular of the major pro-sports leagues in the country.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 07:53:06 AM
Ask the Raiders and the Rams before.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 23, 2016, 07:59:05 AM
Those teams sucked at the time.  Had nothing to do with geography.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on June 23, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
LA is the entertainment capital, and it is hard for everything to get the full attention of fans.  If the Rams don't win early and often, fans out there will get bored very fast.

Looking at all sports, I still think the biggest mistake ever was Albert Pujols going there.  In St. Louis, he was the king; he owned the city like no athlete had in decades (Ozzie Smith).  Meanwhile, in LA, he is just another star, and a declining one at that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 23, 2016, 08:27:25 AM
Ask the Raiders and the Rams before.

Those teams sucked at the time.  Had nothing to do with geography.

BINGO. Plus the NFL has changed a lot. It so big now, and the popularity has grown so much, I can't see it failing in a market like LA. If teams can suck in markets like Jacksonville and survive, I think a team can in LA.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2016, 08:55:43 AM
I think it stands a better chance now than it did in the past just because of how big the sport blew up over the years since there was last an LA team. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on June 23, 2016, 09:05:25 AM
It'll be huge when it's new and shiny. In a couple of years people will grow sick and tired of having to drive to Inglewood and blow the thing off. You also run into the problem that people in So-Cal aren't as willing to stay at home indoors all day on a Sunday.

If they're smart they'll make sure there are sideline tickets available for the rich and famous. Give them an opportunity for photo-ops and the whole thing becomes more trendy. Works well for the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: axeman90210 on June 23, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
I think it stands a better chance now than it did in the past just because of how big the sport blew up over the years since there was last an LA team. 

My thought as well, football is clearly the biggest/most popular sport in the country now which wasn't the case back in 94.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
It'll be huge when it's new and shiny. In a couple of years people will grow sick and tired of having to drive to Inglewood and blow the thing off. You also run into the problem that people in So-Cal aren't as willing to stay at home indoors all day on a Sunday.
This is my thought as well.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on June 23, 2016, 11:08:52 AM
Hard to say.  I mean, if we knew why the NFL has never caught on big in L.A., the NFL would have been all over finding a solution.  It's too big a potential money maker if a solution were apparent.  But it isn't.  We don't really know why it hasn't worked.  But through multiple teams, what we do know is simply that it hasn't.  I'm not sure what, if anything, has changed since.  But I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 23, 2016, 07:31:38 PM
I can't deny what happened back in the early 90's with the Rams here, I witnessed it all unfold up close and personal.  Like I've said in other posts I blame 2 things.  One... just too much stuff to do if your team isn't winning in SoCal. Two... we have SOOOO many transplants here.  Folks come here for the weather and bring their hometown allegiances with them, I'm hard pressed to find local folks at times here...seriously!  Majority of folks are from somewhere else.  I do think it's a different landscape now then it was back in the early 90's.  Football and it's popularity have grown leaps and bounds.  It also helps that we have an owner with deep pockets and some business savvy.  We surely didn't have that with Georgia.  I believe it will suceed this time around. I'm optimistic, even if I am a tad biased.  ;D

One other aspect I'm seeing already, and we haven't even had a game yet, is the anticipation from the kids here.  There are 2 Generations here that have never really had their own team.  One of my co-workers is a Niners fan, not a rabid one, but one none the less.  His young boys, 5-7, are already asking if they can be Rams fans!  The momentum is picking up for sure...you can really feel it!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 24, 2016, 07:07:24 AM
Getting kids excited is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on June 24, 2016, 08:25:28 AM
His young boys, 5-7, are already asking if they can be Rams fans! 

You had me right up to this part.  Nobody wants to be a Rams fan.  It just happens when you are born into it and don't know any better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on June 24, 2016, 08:39:22 AM
His young boys, 5-7, are already asking if they can be Rams fans! 

You had me right up to this part.  Nobody wants to be a Rams fan.  It just happens when you are born into it and don't know any better.
I realize that you're mostly getting a dig in at Rams fans, but it's still very much true with almost all sports fans. It's something that has interested me ever since I reevaluated my partiality for my home town team. When I was in NY last month I asked a couple of people what determined if they were Giants or Jets fans and none of them had an answer other than "I dunno, just always have been." People really do tend to be born into fandom.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: axeman90210 on June 24, 2016, 08:46:44 AM
His young boys, 5-7, are already asking if they can be Rams fans! 

You had me right up to this part.  Nobody wants to be a Rams fan.  It just happens when you are born into it and don't know any better.
I realize that you're mostly getting a dig in at Rams fans, but it's still very much true with almost all sports fans. It's something that has interested me ever since I reevaluated my partiality for my home town team. When I was in NY last month I asked a couple of people what determined if they were Giants or Jets fans and none of them had an answer other than "I dunno, just always have been." People really do tend to be born into fandom.

I always find it funny that my dad and I only agree on one out of the four major sports. We're both Yankees fans, but he roots for the Giants, Rangers, and Knicks, while I root for the Jets, Devils, and Nets. With the Devils and Nets, my take was that they're the only two sports teams that admitted to playing in New Jersey (I'm looking at you Giants and Jets), so I was going to root for them. It helped that the Devils were hitting a pretty remarkable run of success at the time (I was 8 when they surprised everyone and swept the Red Wings for the cup). I'm not totally sure what led me to the Jets instead of the Giants, but I think 6 year old me thought it was cool that their QB was named Boomer :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
Same here actually, my father and I are Rangers fans and thats it  He's Jets, I'm Giants.  He's Mets, I'm Yankees...neither of us care too much about the NBA.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: axeman90210 on June 24, 2016, 08:59:14 AM
I cared more about the Nets when they were still in NJ, not so much anymore. The only thing I've been to Barclays for so far has been professional wrestling :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 24, 2016, 09:12:26 AM
My dad and I agree on all sports (Yankees, Jets, Rangers, and I like the Nets while he doesn't really care for basketball) but most of my family members are Mets and Giants fans. The only sport we all agree on is hockey with us all being die hard Ranger fans. I wish I didn't follow my dad's footsteps with football but the green blood runs deep in me just like him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 24, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
Getting kids excited is a step in the right direction.
Exactly.. that's one of the "X" factors as to whether we will succeed this time.  Of all the possible regions, this one is probably the most tricky.  Having fresh young new fans can help galvanize a solid fan base.  Like you mentioned earlier, Hef...  I want to be optimistic, but our market is a dicey market.  By the way!  11/6/16 at the Coliseum...Panthers vs. Rams.  3 current teams have never played in LA.  Panthers, Jags, and Texans.  The Panthers/Rams game should be awesome!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 06:48:32 AM
ROAD TRIP!

Well, no, probably not.  But that would be sweet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 27, 2016, 10:22:44 PM
ROAD TRIP!

Well, no, probably not.  But that would be sweet.

Yes it would!  :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 07:00:40 AM
Hopefully I get out that way some day, pal.  :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 28, 2016, 09:08:39 AM
Rest in Peace Buddy Ryan. A true innovator who revolutionized defensive strategy and changed the game for the better as a result.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 28, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
RIP Buddy Ryan.  A defensive guru and a true character.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 11:59:10 AM
Oh wow.  RIP
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 28, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
Yeah, what a sad day.  Growing up watching Buddy-Ball was always fun.  He was the Defensive Master!  Rest in Peace, Coach.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: kaos2900 on June 30, 2016, 06:29:19 AM
So Andrew Luck is not the highest paid player in NFL history. Thoughts? Personally I think it's a terrible deal by the Colts to spend so much money on someone who hasn't won them much in the playoffs. Plus how are they going to afford to surround him with talent?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2016, 06:35:13 AM
You have to pay Luck.  I don't blame him at all for their problems in the playoffs.  Grigson the GM has been atrocious with drafting and free agency.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 07:00:45 AM
You have to pay Luck.  I don't blame him at all for their problems in the playoffs.  Grigson the GM has been atrocious with drafting and free agency.
This.  You have to lock him down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on June 30, 2016, 08:19:06 AM
Yup. Whether or not he's the second coming isn't really the point right now. He's the very best they have access to now or for the foreseeable future. If that's what the market demands then you have to pay him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 30, 2016, 08:25:06 AM
Agreed. There are far less "Franchise QBs" than franchises. If you have one, you've got to pay the hell out of him. Just the way it goes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 08:31:57 AM
I agree.  And if he chose to test the market, there would be a TON of teams that would pay him.  Despite that he hasn't gone very far in the playoffs yet, he is playing QB at a very high level in the NFL.  You have to reward that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2016, 04:35:30 PM
Yep, smart signing by the Colts.  Even though Luck hasn't gotten to the level yet that most thought he would be at by now, his upside is still tremendous, and let's face it, in the NFL, having a good QB over the long haul puts you in contention most years, so if you have one and a chance to lock him in, you do it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Dream Team on July 04, 2016, 07:48:21 AM
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-joe-flacco

Flacco exposed! Not due to poor receiving corps, but bad mechanics and accuracy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 04, 2016, 08:23:45 AM
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-joe-flacco

Flacco exposed! Not due to poor receiving corps, but bad mechanics and accuracy.


I'm sure Flacco is all broken up over this article. 

2015 was an abysmal season for the Ravens, but somehow, they still were able to sweep the Steelers.

Happy 4th of July!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 04, 2016, 08:43:34 AM
Yep, I'd love to see them break down Roethlisberger and his 2015 season, which saw him managing to only throw 21 touchdowns, while throwing 16 interceptions (3rd most in the league despite missing a month), and all this despite having arguably the best skill position players in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 04, 2016, 12:57:33 PM
Yep, I'd love to see them break down Roethlisberger and his 2015 season, which saw him managing to only throw 21 touchdowns, while throwing 16 interceptions (3rd most in the league despite missing a month), and all this despite having arguably the best skill position players in the NFL.

Thank you! People give Big Ben way too much credit. He had the worst passer rating by a winning QB in Super Bowl history in Super Bowl XL and if it wasn't for James Harrison's ridiculous interception return and Santonio Holmes one clutch moment in his career in Super Bowl XLIII, Roethlisberger's Super Bowl legacy would be that one terrible game where he was carried to victory. He's a good QB but I can't stand when people put him on the level of Brady and Rodgers, who are both guys that have enhanced the talent around them and lead mediocre players to successful seasons time and time again. Flacco at this point in their careers is a way better QB than Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 04, 2016, 08:03:43 PM
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-joe-flacco

Flacco exposed! Not due to poor receiving corps, but bad mechanics and accuracy.

Pretty lame article, was that written by a Steelers fan that was sour about that banged up Ravens team that swept them last year? I stopped reading after the writer accused Flacco of giving up on his mechanics after signing that big contract with the Ravens  ::)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 04, 2016, 08:25:05 PM
Yep, I'd love to see them break down Roethlisberger and his 2015 season, which saw him managing to only throw 21 touchdowns, while throwing 16 interceptions (3rd most in the league despite missing a month), and all this despite having arguably the best skill position players in the NFL.

Thank you! People give Big Ben way too much credit. He had the worst passer rating by a winning QB in Super Bowl history in Super Bowl XL and if it wasn't for James Harrison's ridiculous interception return and Santonio Holmes one clutch moment in his career in Super Bowl XLIII, Roethlisberger's Super Bowl legacy would be that one terrible game where he was carried to victory. He's a good QB but I can't stand when people put him on the level of Brady and Rodgers, who are both guys that have enhanced the talent around them and lead mediocre players to successful seasons time and time again. Flacco at this point in their careers is a way better QB than Ben.

Now, now, let's not get too crazy. :lol :big grin:

Roethlisberger is still probably the 6th or 7th best QB in the league, while Flacco needs to find his way back into the top 10 after last year.

It's true that Roethlisberger was awful in his first SB, but to his credit, he was great during their run through the AFC in that postseason.

I think just some want to elevate him to 3rd best since he has never been that good and some want him to finally get up there.  It's been Rodgers, Peyton, Brady and Brees as the top 4 for the last 7-8 years, but last year, with Manning falling off the cliff and Brees appearing to decline a bit, it was easy for some to promote Ben up to 3rd, but the reality is that Wilson had already passed him, Cam blew past him last year, and Brees' alleged slight decline was premature (I think the perception is there because they haven't won as many games).  Right now, the best five QBs in the NFL are clearly, IMO, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Cam and Brees.  Roethlisberger is fighting for 6th with Palmer and Rivers and maybe even Dalton (or a healthy Romo).  I can't put Palmer top 5 despite his great numbers last year, because his playoff performances were too poor (he was bad in the GB game, but got incredibly lucky three times, and then was dreadful against Carolina).

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-joe-flacco

Flacco exposed! Not due to poor receiving corps, but bad mechanics and accuracy.

Pretty lame article, was that written by a Steelers fan that was sour about that banged up Ravens team that swept them last year?

It sure seems like it, doesn't it? I cracked up at the writer trying to demean the 2012 playoff performance of Flacco, who had one of the greatest postseasons any QB has ever had.  Yeah, he just threw the balls up in the air and Boldin went and got them. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 05, 2016, 07:14:14 AM
Ben is without question in the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 05, 2016, 07:19:56 AM
Panthers training camp opens July 28th.  I assume the other clubs start around the same time.   :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 05, 2016, 08:23:36 AM
Go Dolphins
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
Ben is without question in the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL  :lol

How?  Please explain.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 05, 2016, 08:48:56 PM
Ben is without question in the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL  :lol

Not sure if you're just sticking up for your guy, but it's hard for me to speak about the top 3 QBs in the NFL as if it were set in stone right now. As of last season, Brees, Brady and Rodgers are the top 3 QBs in my opinion. Are you suggesting that it's not even debatable that Ben is better than one of them? I'm sure some may disagree with Brees being in the top 3, but could you imagine if he had Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant and Leveon Bell (just to name a few)? Not to mention, if the guy had a competent defense…
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 05:41:19 AM
Ben is without question in the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL  :lol

How?  Please explain.

Somewhere between 5-10 for me
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 06:51:46 AM
Ben is without question in the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL  :lol

How?  Please explain.

IMO, the top three quarterbacks in the league are Brady, Rodgers, and Ben (in no particular order). Those are the three guys I would want starting at quarterback for my team above anyone else. Not sure what you want me to explain? That's just my opinion, I could cherry-pick some stats in there to prove my point and then you could cherry-pick some of your own to disprove it and so on and so on...

I'm actually surprised that (1) you guys are surprised I'd put Ben in the top three (he is widely considered by experts to be in the top three) and (2) I'm seeing Brees' name as a top three quarterback in this discussion, I don't think he is that good at this point in his career.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 07:21:22 AM
I like Ben.  He's just a notch below Brady and Rodgers and for all but last year, Peyton.  He's always been around 4 or 5 with Brees being the other.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 07:27:53 AM
Brees is definitely fading now that his career is closer to ending.

I personally think Cam Newton, Eli Manning (maybe a homer pick), and Russell Wilson are better than Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2016, 07:30:54 AM
I personally think Cam Newton, Eli Manning (maybe a homer pick), and Russell Wilson are better than Ben.
I agree with Newton and Wilson.

Ben is fantastic sometimes.  He's just a little too unpredictable for me to place as high as the top 3.

In fact, at the moment, I'm not sure of a top 3.  I think Brady and Rogers are the top 2.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 07:37:17 AM
I don't consider Cam or Wilson in that class of quarterback yet, they both might get there someday, but they aren't there yet.


I personally think Cam Newton, Eli Manning (maybe a homer pick), and Russell Wilson are better than Ben.

Super homer pick  :lol Eli isn't close to some of these guys we are talking about.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 07:50:16 AM
Brees is definitely fading now that his career is closer to ending.

I personally think Cam Newton, Eli Manning (maybe a homer pick), and Russell Wilson are better than Ben.

Yes, last year both moved the needle into the top 5. no doubt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 07:52:58 AM
I don't consider Cam or Wilson in that class of quarterback yet, they both might get there someday, but they aren't there yet.


I personally think Cam Newton, Eli Manning (maybe a homer pick), and Russell Wilson are better than Ben.

Super homer pick  :lol Eli isn't close to some of these guys we are talking about.

Stats and Rings say something different, but agree that he isn't top 3 either, but maybe the first ahead of Ben IMO. 

Wilson and Newton don't have the longevity of Ben to compare full careers but they are better QBs at the moment which is what I thought we were debating, hence why I don't list Brees up there anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 08:08:28 AM

Stats and Rings say something different, but agree that he isn't top 3 either, but maybe the first ahead of Ben IMO. 


Stats and rings in regards to Ben vs. Eli?

They both have two rings (which separates them a great deal from guys with one) but Ben's career regular season rating is better than Eli's...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 08:17:54 AM
Yeah, Eli is top 10 but towards the bottom half for me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 06, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
Andrew Luck has top 1-3 potential. Let's see how his bounce back season goes.

But yeah, Roethlisburger has ALWAYS benefited from the weapons around him. But I'll give him his due... one of the toughest QBs I've ever seen play the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
Yeah, Eli is top 10 but towards the bottom half for me.

Right around where Ben would be for me.

Stats and Rings say something different, but agree that he isn't top 3 either, but maybe the first ahead of Ben IMO. 


Stats and rings in regards to Ben vs. Eli?

They both have two rings (which separates them a great deal from guys with one) but Ben's career regular season rating is better than Eli's...

But one guy actually was a beast in those playoffs wins and one was not as much.  Granted, they are so close and for me I ahve Eli just ahead of Ben most likely if I wrote this all out, but my homerism could be pushing it.

But yeah, Roethlisburger has ALWAYS benefited from the weapons around him. But I'll give him his due... one of the toughest QBs I've ever seen play the game.

This is the best part about him IMO, he is hard to take down and he plays through injuries.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 06, 2016, 09:06:26 AM

They both have two rings (which separates them a great deal from guys with one) but Ben's career regular season rating is better than Eli's...

Aaron Rodgers only has one.... and he's considered to be much better than those two dudes with two (rightly so).

Sorry.... hate the ring argument. That kind of thinking puts Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson over Dan Marino. Hard to use team championships to measure individual talent.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 09:38:05 AM
It's not just rings though.  I can't see how that doesn't hold some value.  It's not everything, it's a team sport, but it's still important.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
It's not just rings though.  I can't see how that doesn't hold some value.  It's not everything, it's a team sport, but it's still important.

Right on. Rings aren't the only criteria that go into assessing how good a player is, but it certainly is an important criteria.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on July 06, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
It's not just rings though.  I can't see how that doesn't hold some value.  It's not everything, it's a team sport, but it's still important.

Right on. Rings aren't the only criteria that go into assessing how good a player is, but it certainly is an important criteria.

To me, they aren't much more than a tie-breaker. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 06, 2016, 10:18:36 AM

They both have two rings (which separates them a great deal from guys with one) but Ben's career regular season rating is better than Eli's...

Aaron Rodgers only has one.... and he's considered to be much better than those two dudes with two (rightly so).

Sorry.... hate the ring argument. That kind of thinking puts Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson over Dan Marino. Hard to use team championships to measure individual talent.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 10:34:24 AM
Yeah like I said before, championships aren't the only criteria to measure a quarterback, but they certainly should be taken into account.

Quarterbacks are the most important players on football teams, so suggesting that a quarterbacks' success that lead to a teams success (winning a championship) isn't a measure of the player that should be taken into account is a little silly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 06, 2016, 10:41:00 AM
Yeah like I said before, championships aren't the only criteria to measure a quarterback, but they certainly should be taken into account.

Quarterbacks are the most important players on football teams, so suggesting that a quarterbacks' success that lead to a teams success (winning a championship) isn't a measure of the player that should be taken into account is a little silly.

Not silly at all. Compare Rotheslisburger's stake in the Super Bowl XL championship versus Joe Flacco's in SB XVII. Flacco was a big reason why the Ravens won that game. Big Ben was a casualty in Pittsburgh's efforts that day.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 10:44:45 AM
So whether or not a quarterback has won zero championships or five, it shouldn't matter in assessing how good that player is at all? That's what you are saying?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
Yeah like I said before, championships aren't the only criteria to measure a quarterback, but they certainly should be taken into account.

Quarterbacks are the most important players on football teams, so suggesting that a quarterbacks' success that lead to a teams success (winning a championship) isn't a measure of the player that should be taken into account is a little silly.

Not silly at all. Compare Rotheslisburger's stake in the Super Bowl XL championship versus Joe Flacco's in SB XVII. Flacco was a big reason why the Ravens won that game. Big Ben was a casualty in Pittsburgh's efforts that day.

Yet I heard a lot of the Brady haters say, Brady wouldn't have won without Vinatieri yet who drove them down to get those field goals?  QB's take a lot of beef because they are in the limelight.  Ben did well.  I look at him between 4 and 6 right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 06, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
So whether or not a quarterback has won zero championships or five, it shouldn't matter in assessing how good that player is at all? That's what you are saying?

Correct. If a player is great, his greatness won't rely on how many rings he may have won along the way.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 10:51:36 AM
So whether or not a quarterback has won zero championships or five, it shouldn't matter in assessing how good that player is at all? That's what you are saying?

Correct. If a player is great, his greatness won't rely on how many rings he may have won along the way.

Alright we can just agree to disagree on that one.  :)

I think that one of the things that makes great players great is winning championships.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 06, 2016, 10:55:49 AM
Joe Flacco's not a great player, but he had a great postseason. Led to a championship, and a ginormous payday.

I'm just saying that player A isn't better than player B solely on rings is silly. Putting Ben and Eli above Rodgers because 2>1 is silly in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 10:59:07 AM
Joe Flacco's not a great player, but he had a great postseason. Led to a championship, and a ginormous payday.

I'm just saying that player A isn't better than player B solely on rings is silly. Putting Ben and Eli above Rodgers because 2>1 is silly in my opinion.

Right, and I never disagreed with that. I never suggested that rings should be "solely" used as THE criteria to assess players. I simply said that it should be taken into account as ONE of the criteria used to assess players.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 11:03:16 AM
Right.  If Marino had 4 rings like Brady, it would catapult him to that all time level.  He's still great but he's never in the conversation as Montana, Brady, Manning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: pogoowner on July 06, 2016, 11:26:00 AM
Interesting stat that I just came across: since 2004, New Orleans has averaged the most points per game in games lost. I don't think Drew Brees gets enough credit for what he's done with that team.

Now, if you have a consistently bad defense, that number's naturally going to be higher, but he's done a lot without much support.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 11:37:04 AM
Which is why he only got one SB ring.  After 2007, the Pats went way to one sided.  Their D was poor until 2014.  Yes a tram can win a SB being unbalanced but can they win more SB's if they are unbalanced?  I think not.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2016, 12:00:33 PM
Who knows what various trams could or could not do?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Snow Dog on July 06, 2016, 01:50:47 PM
Which is why he only got one SB ring.  After 2007, the Pats went way to one sided.  Their D was poor until 2014.  Yes a tram can win a SB being unbalanced but can they win more SB's if they are unbalanced?  I think not.

I agree. Here's some examples:

(https://i.imgur.com/5XKkOes.jpg)

We see here a tram too focused on offense. They obviously have to score a ton of points or they lose because their defense is like a sieve and plays worse than most peoples' grandmas. Examples are the Saints as mentioned above or the Oregon Ducks.

(https://i.imgur.com/DcY4WK6.jpg)

And on the opposite side, we have those too focused on defense. The ones who won the turnover battle, but still lose because the offense can't run a simple screen or draw to save their life  They also often own a mediocre, or worse, QB. Examples could be the 00's Bears or last year's Utah Utes team. (God I'm glad Travis Wilson is gone...)

(https://i.imgur.com/SHirTWa.jpg)

And finally a balanced tram. One that operates smoothly and does its job well. Problem is people flock to these teams and bandwagon the shit out of them. Much like the Seattle Seahawks or Carolina Panthers in recent years, or the Patriots for the past two decades.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Tram, team. It's all the same. :lol

You jerks. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2016, 02:38:14 PM
lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Cool Chris on July 06, 2016, 02:52:40 PM
So, have you heard Russell Wilson got married? Because THAT IS ALL PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN SEATTLE. FFS!

Except apparently the chick he married, who is/was apparently famous in her own right, though I never heard of her till she and Wilson got together, is baby-mama to some d-bag who I also had never heard of, and who is apparently e-threatening Wilson. Or maybe just trying to sell albums/build street cred.

So yeah, when does the season start?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 02:54:26 PM
So I guess that means that Russell Wilson is no longer a virgin! Good for him
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2016, 03:38:33 PM
Funny to see some say Brees has dropped off, when even last year he was better than most including Roethlisberger.

As for titles, sure, they matter, but when talking who is better currently, Ben's rings from 11 and 8 years ago do not. In the last couple years, Wilson and Newton have been better QBs and have had more team success.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on July 06, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
So whether or not a quarterback has won zero championships or five, it shouldn't matter in assessing how good that player is at all? That's what you are saying?

Correct. If a player is great, his greatness won't rely on how many rings he may have won along the way.

Alright we can just agree to disagree on that one.  :)

I think that one of the things that makes great players great is winning championships.

I agree with this.  Anyone - well, virtually - can throw for 400 yards and three touchdowns against a defense that has nothing to play for.  Do that year in and year out in the playoffs against the very best of the best playing like their lives depended on it...

... and you have Joe Montana and Tom Brady and a few select others. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2016, 07:27:14 PM
Except not even Brady and Montana played lights out year in and year out in the playoffs.  Montana had an awful 3-year stretch in the mid 80s, and Brady has had plenty of clunkers over the years. Even the best of the best aren't great in every playoff game. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 06, 2016, 07:58:13 PM
Funny to see some say Brees has dropped off, when even last year he was better than most including Roethlisberger.

I was going to say the same thing. I guess Brees is "fading" because his team can't play defense and he has very little help all together.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 08:05:11 PM
I think it's all the interceptions that make people lower him in their rankings.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
Brees has 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions last year, while still finishing 6th in YPA.  Pretty awesome season, I would say, so the reports of his alleged decline are definitely way off base. 

Meanwhile, Roethlisberger, while throwing to much better targets, had a whopping 21 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.  Roethlisberger wasn't even as good as Andy Dalton last year, yet some think he is the 3rd best.  It's laughable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 08:16:06 PM
I'm not saying that but if you look at the last 5 years 22, 19 and 17 int's.   People look differently.   The real truth is the D was no good so it affects him even though it shouldn't.

That's the same with all QB'S. Perception sometimes becomes reality for fans.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 06, 2016, 08:19:08 PM
Well, last year he had 11 interceptions. Considering how he had 627 passing attempts, I wouldn't say that's bad at all. Let's see how that stacks up against some other QBs that are considered amongst the best in the league.

2015 Season
Roethlisberger - 16 interceptions/469 passing attempts
Eli Manning - 14 interceptions/618 passing attempts
Newton - 10 interceptions/495 passing attempts
Wilson - 8 interceptions/483 passing attempts
Rodgers - 8 interceptions/572 passing attempts
Brady - 7 interceptions/624 passing attempts

No surprise to see Brady and Rodgers with such great numbers as most would agree that they are the top 2 QBs. Not sure it's fair to lower Brees in your rankings for interceptions though considering how often he throws the ball and how he compares to other great QBs in the league.

(note: I typed this up before I saw Kev and King's responses, just thought it was still worth posting because it is interesting to look at the numbers)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 06, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
Brees has 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions last year, while still finishing 6th in YPA.  Pretty awesome season, I would say, so the reports of his alleged decline are definitely way off base. 

Meanwhile, Roethlisberger, while throwing to much better targets, had a whopping 21 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.  Roethlisberger wasn't even as good as Andy Dalton last year, yet some think he is the 3rd best.  It's laughable.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you here, but you do have to take into account that Ben suffered some nagging injuries last year that definitely affected his numbers. Had to look them up to refresh my memory and the first thing I saw was an article where Ben talked about the knee injury he suffered against St. Louis and how it was the most painful injury in his career. I remember being shocked at how soon he was able to come back from that…
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2016, 08:36:10 PM
Okay. but that is part of the equation. Part of being great is being lucky enough to be durable, and Roethlisberger falls way short of the mark in that regard; he gets hurt at some point every year.  Some will say that is because he is tough and willing to take shots to get passes off, but sometimes you have to be smart and not take the big hits. Look at a guy like Russell Wilson.  He is also tough as nails, but rarely takes big shots.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2016, 08:38:45 PM
He's magic outside the pocket but that's also where he gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2016, 08:46:31 PM
NFL Network did their usual top 100 NFL players list, which they just completed.

Roethsliberger was the 6th highest QB.  They got that right at least. :corn

100. Derek Carr (Raiders QB)

99. Cameron Jordan (Saints DE)

98. Jarvis Landry (Dolphins WR)

97. Richie Incognito (Bills OG)

96. Sammy Watkins (Bills WR)

95. Mike Daniels (Packers DT)

94. Gary Barnidge (Browns TE)

93. Jeremy Maclin (Chiefs WR)

92. Andrew Luck (Colts QB)

91. Travis Kelce (Chiefs TE)

90. Matt Forte (Jets RB)

89. Allen Hurns (Jaguars WR)

88. Cameron Heyward (Steelers DE)

87. Julian Edelman (Patriots WR)

86. Jonathan Stewart (Panthers RB)

85. Kirk Cousins (Redskins QB)

84. Tamba Hali (Chiefs LB)

83. Telvin Smith (Jaguars LB)

82. Delanie Walker (Titans TE)

81. Alex Smith (Chiefs QB)

80. Derrick Johnson (Chiefs LB)

79. Ryan Kalil (Panthers C)

78. Chris Ivory (Jaguars RB)

77. Jordan Reed (Redskins TE)

76. Linval Joseph (Vikings DT)

75. Jamaal Charles (Chiefs RB)

74. Emmanuel Sanders (Broncos WR)

73. Harrison Smith (Vikings S)

72. Doug Baldwin (Seahawks WR)

71. Calais Campbell (Cardinals DE)

70. Carlos Dunlap (Bengals DE)

69. LeSean McCoy (Bills RB)

68. T.J. Ward (Broncos S)

67. Andrew Whitworth (Bengals OT)

66. Earl Thomas (Seahawks S)

65. Marcus Peters (Chiefs CB)

64. Reshad Jones (Dolphins S)

63. Gerald McCoy (Buccaneers DT)

62. Demaryius Thomas (Broncos WR)

61. NaVorro Bowman (49ers LB)

60. Reggie Nelson (Raiders S)

59. Michael Bennett (Seahawks DE)

58. Kawann Short (Panthers DT)

57. Clay Matthews III (Packers LB)

56. Blake Bortles (Jaguars QB)

55. Eric Berry (Chiefs S)

54. Thomas Davis (Panthers LB)

53. Lavonte David (Buccaneers LB)

52. Chris Harris Jr. (Broncos CB)

51. Dez Bryant (Cowboys WR)

50. Devonta Freeman (Falcons RB)

49. Fletcher Cox (Eagles DT)

48. Chandler Jones (Cardinals DE)

47. Eli Manning (Giants QB)

46. Philip Rivers (Chargers QB)

45. Trent Williams (Redskins OT)

44. Tyler Eifert (Bengals TE)

43. Ezekiel Ansah (Lions DE)

42. Tyron Smith (Cowboys OT)

41. Le'Veon Bell (Steelers RB)

40. Ndamukong Suh (Dolphins DT)

39. Muhammad Wilkerson (Jets DE)

38. Greg Olsen (Panthers TE)

37. Marshal Yanda (Ravens OG)

36. DeMarcus Ware (Broncos LB)

35. Andy Dalton (Bengals QB)

34. Aqib Talib (Broncos CB)

33. Doug Martin (Buccaneers RB)

32. Kam Chancellor (Seahawks S)

31. Allen Robinson (Jaguars WR)

30. Drew Brees (Saints QB)

29. Geno Atkins (Bengals DT)

28. Tyrann Mathieu (Cardinals S)

27. Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals WR)

26. Justin Houston (Chiefs LB)

25. Brandon Marshall (Jets WR)

24. Darrelle Revis (Jets CB)

23. Joe Thomas (Browns OT)

22. Todd Gurley (Rams RB)

21. Ben Roethlisberger (Steelers QB)

20. Richard Sherman (Seahawks CB)

19. DeAndre Hopkins (Texans WR)

18. Patrick Peterson (Cardinals CB)

17. Russell Wilson (Seahawks QB)

16. A.J. Green (Bengals WR)

15. Von Miller (Broncos LB)

14. Aaron Donald (Rams DT)

13. Khalil Mack (Raiders DE)

12. Carson Palmer (Cardinals QB)

11. Josh Norman (Redskins CB)

10. Odell Beckham Jr. (Giants WR)

9. Rob Gronkowski (Patriots TE)

8. Julio Jones (Falcons WR)

7. Luke Kuechly (Panthers LB)

6. Aaron Rodgers (Packers QB)

5. Adrian Peterson (Vikings RB)

4. Antonio Brown (Steelers WR)

3. J.J. Watt (Texans DE)

2. Tom Brady (Patriots QB)

1. Cam Newton (Panthers QB)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 06, 2016, 08:58:10 PM
I can't argue with Ben's placement on the list either. Cam deserves #1 for sure too if we're just talking about last season. I love watching all the top 100 player videos though, it is something cool to follow when you're craving football again!  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 07, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
It's good to see four Jets on the list but Sheldon Richardson was a huge snub. He's one of the best young defensive players in the league and had a good season last year dispite missing the first four games due to suspension.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2016, 05:21:55 AM
Well, last year he had 11 interceptions. Considering how he had 627 passing attempts, I wouldn't say that's bad at all. Let's see how that stacks up against some other QBs that are considered amongst the best in the league.

2015 Season
Roethlisberger - 16 interceptions/469 passing attempts
Eli Manning - 14 interceptions/618 passing attempts
Newton - 10 interceptions/495 passing attempts
Wilson - 8 interceptions/483 passing attempts
Rodgers - 8 interceptions/572 passing attempts
Brady - 7 interceptions/624 passing attempts

It's funny, this may be my list of best QB rankings, throw Breeze under Eli and in front of Newton where he belongs in this stat and swap Newton with Wilson and that I think is my top 7.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 07, 2016, 05:25:54 AM
Any opinions on Blake Bortles? I like the progress that he's been making down in Jacksonville. Think he might crack the "Top 10" this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 07, 2016, 06:12:40 AM
Bortles made some great strides last year, but the Jags will have to be a playoff team and he play out of his mind to crack the top 10 that soon, I think.

I am surprised Gronk isn't top 5. I would've put him in there with Rodgers, Brady, Watt and AP.

Von Miller only at 15 is kind of a surprise, too. I figured that SB MVP would've guaranteed him a top 10 spot. No way is Josh Norman a better player than him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2016, 06:17:40 AM
Blake showed amazing growth last year.  He put himself on the map last year.  Hey to be picked in the top 100 by players says a lot on how they really think of you.  It's an honor.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 07, 2016, 06:23:04 AM
Yeah, you all were discussing the NFL Top 100... should have clarified that I think Bortles could crack the top 10 as far as QBs go. 

I'm also curious to see how Carr does out in Oakland.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2016, 06:26:49 AM
That's another young QB that I forgot about.  He's done well his 1st 2 years in a below average situation.  They are getting better as a team though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 07, 2016, 06:56:27 AM
Meanwhile, Roethlisberger, while throwing to much better targets, had a whopping 21 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.  Roethlisberger wasn't even as good as Andy Dalton last year, yet some think he is the 3rd best.  It's laughable.

It's laughable? Okay, I'm not going to keep debating this because basically it all comes down to opinion, but cherry-picking one set of stats from a 12 season career is a great way to assess a measure a player?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 07, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
I'm certainly thrilled to see Cam ranked # 1 in that list, but even as a diehard Panther fan and equally diehard Patriot hater, Brady should have been ranked # 1.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 07, 2016, 07:57:41 AM
I think Rodgers is still #1. He was absolutely incredible last season, even without Jordy Nelson. Those Hail Marys (yes, plural) were epic.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 07, 2016, 09:49:45 AM
Meanwhile, Roethlisberger, while throwing to much better targets, had a whopping 21 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.  Roethlisberger wasn't even as good as Andy Dalton last year, yet some think he is the 3rd best.  It's laughable.

It's laughable? Okay, I'm not going to keep debating this because basically it all comes down to opinion, but cherry-picking one set of stats from a 12 season career is a great way to assess a measure a player?

That's from his most recent season. This is not a debate over best career; it's over who's best right now. That's why his rings are irrelevant when discussing who's better now unless you really think having won a title in 2008 matters when talking about who is better in 2016. To his credit, Ben did have a great YPA last year, but still had too many turnovers and offers nothing in the way of rushing yards anymore, unlike Cam and Wilson.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 07, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Ah, okay we are talking about different things then, I was looking at the quarterbacks whole bodies of work from their careers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: pogoowner on July 07, 2016, 11:40:47 AM
Any opinions on Blake Bortles? I like the progress that he's been making down in Jacksonville. Think he might crack the "Top 10" this year.
Bortles has a lot of potential. He still has too many moments where you have no idea what he's doing, though. Too many turnovers. If he takes another step he'll be very good, though.

Derek Carr is the one that I think is going to really catch everyone's eye this year, especially with a now healthy Amari Cooper going into his second year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 07, 2016, 01:39:48 PM
Ah, okay we are talking about different things then, I was looking at the quarterbacks whole bodies of work from their careers.

You were?  Then why did you say this:

I'm actually surprised that (1) you guys are surprised I'd put Ben in the top three (he is widely considered by experts to be in the top three) and (2) I'm seeing Brees' name as a top three quarterback in this discussion, I don't think he is that good at this point in his career.

Since like you were willing to knock Brees down a notch or two because he supposedly isn't as good as he used to be, while still keeping Roethlisberger up there because of his body of work.  ???

Ironically, Roethlisberger might actually finish as a top 20 NFL QB when it is all said and done despite never being in that top tier of QBs at any given time or being a major MVP candidate in any one season.  That is kind of weird, but there's something to be said for always being really good and always in that 5-8 range of quarterbacks (where I think he has resided for pretty much all of his career).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 07, 2016, 03:15:37 PM
Gheez man sorry if my opinion bothered you. If I'm judging a quarterback by their whole career, and IMO Brees hasn't been as good in the recent portion of his career why wouldn't that effect how I view him? I think Ben's been better in recent years, which is part of his career. As a whole I think Ben's been a better quarterback as well. Not sure how I've contradicted myself here.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 07, 2016, 06:22:28 PM
Your opinion didn't bother me; I simply do not agree with it.

Maybe Brees hasn't been as great recently as he was during his peak, but then again, maybe he has, especially when you consider he has never had a stud WR. The best WR he has ever had was Marques Colston, who was very good, but not really a true number 1 or a stud or anything.  Imagine if Brees had a guy like Antonio Brown. :eek :eek
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 08, 2016, 04:12:27 AM
Your opinion didn't bother me; I simply do not agree with it.

Maybe Brees hasn't been as great recently as he was during his peak, but then again, maybe he has, especially when you consider he has never had a stud WR. The best WR he has ever had was Marques Colston, who was very good, but not really a true number 1 or a stud or anything.  Imagine if Brees had a guy like Antonio Brown. :eek :eek

To be fair, he did have Jimmy Graham. I absolutely agree that Brees is still a top five QB and is definitely better than Big Ben, but it's not like he had no elite receiving talent around him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 08, 2016, 06:16:03 AM
Your opinion didn't bother me; I simply do not agree with it.

Maybe Brees hasn't been as great recently as he was during his peak, but then again, maybe he has, especially when you consider he has never had a stud WR. The best WR he has ever had was Marques Colston, who was very good, but not really a true number 1 or a stud or anything.  Imagine if Brees had a guy like Antonio Brown. :eek :eek

Valid point. Interestingly enough though, there are a lot of folks around the Steelers that feel that Ben makes Brown as good as he is, not the other way around. Personally, I think they both simply make each other better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 08, 2016, 12:18:39 PM
Yep, I think it's both.  We all saw how Brown's production took a nosedive last year when Roethlisberger was hurt, and it goes without saying that a great WR is always a QB's best friend.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 08, 2016, 02:06:29 PM
A good offensive line is a QB's best friend.  I don't care how good the WR's are.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2016, 07:58:25 AM
Very true.  I guess I meant a WR is their best friend when it comes to their ability to put up monster stats, but yeah, an offensive line is definitely a quarterback's best friend in the big picture. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 14, 2016, 07:59:29 PM
Just because it makes me happy.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/FB_IMG_1468547838847_zps1iuq9gtd.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/FB_IMG_1468547838847_zps1iuq9gtd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on July 15, 2016, 05:02:53 AM
I believe Brady didn't do anything wrong but I'm at the point that I just want to move on from this ridiculousness. Talk about things getting out of hand. I heard an interview on the radio with the head of NFLPA and it sounds like Brady might keep fighting it sadly. Also he brought up that Article 46 has been around forever but it's never been abused by a commissioner before. I'm curious to see if the next CBA will try to change that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 06:08:24 AM
Why is that sad?  If you feel like you are innocent would you do whatever you could not to serve it?  That being said, he will lose and will have to serve it either this year or next year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2016, 06:27:59 AM
Maybe he can just keep fighting it until he is ready to retire  :lol

I also just want it to be over too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 06:33:23 AM
It would have to be in two years and he has a 4 year deal with no decline in his play which is for us fans something I thought I'd never see this level of play for this long.  I dread the day he does retire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2016, 06:38:29 AM
I'm sure every Pats fan dreads that day and the day Belichick retires too. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 07:00:07 AM
For sure.  I'm not so sure about him retiring either. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on July 15, 2016, 07:31:15 AM
I understand him fighting so I can't fault him for it but I just want to move on from it. The other concern is that if he does keep fighting and they make a decision during the season he could potentially miss the last 4 games or even playoff games and that would be way worse.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 07:39:43 AM
Yeah I know but he is going to fight until the end so I'm not going to fret over it because it will happen.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 07:54:58 AM
I understand him fighting so I can't fault him for it

Really? I can. His union signed an employment agreement giving Goodell specific power to do exactly what Goodell did. He was working fully within his contractual rights per the labor agreement.

Not to mention Tom wants to take this to the Supreme Court. I'll say that again, the Supreme Court. Does no one else find that absolutely ridiculous? It literally saddens me that with all the trouble in this country, with all the attention actual important matters deserve from the highest court in the country, that their time would potential be taken up by a game. Thankfully, it looks like it won't be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
I don't know if he'll bother with the SC. Personally, I wouldn't have even appealed last ruling. I do suspect he'll sue the league for whatever sort of defamation this is, and I've got no problem with that. The man has created a tremendous legacy for himself, and now he gets saddled with a "yeah, but. . ." that's arbitrary and undeserved because he works for a bunch of petty egotists.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on July 15, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
I understand him fighting because no one wants to be falsely accused of something but at the same time I'd like to move on from this mess. I have a feeling he'll keep fighting though, like Tom once said "I didn't come this far to come this far."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: dparrott on July 15, 2016, 09:02:19 AM
The Rams in-season practice facility is around 5 miles away from me and their practices won't be public.  Dammit. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
I don't know if he'll bother with the SC. Personally, I wouldn't have even appealed last ruling. I do suspect he'll sue the league for whatever sort of defamation this is, and I've got no problem with that. The man has created a tremendous legacy for himself, and now he gets saddled with a "yeah, but. . ." that's arbitrary and undeserved because he works for a bunch of petty egotists.

He tried to keep it going, but it got rejected the other day, by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17045257/new-england-patriots-qb-tom-brady-deflategate-appeal-denied-2nd-us-circuit-court

I understand him fighting because no one wants to be falsely accused of something but at the same time I'd like to move on from this mess. I have a feeling he'll keep fighting though, like Tom once said "I didn't come this far to come this far."

Not sure what you think Tom is fighting for at this point. My understanding is that he is going after the NFL and Goodell to try to say Goodell didn't have the power to suspend him for the offense, not to somehow prove he had nothing to do with deflating balls. Like the article I linked above says, unfortunately for Tom, Goodell is judge, jury, and executioner. But the irony of all ironies is that the NFLPA (representing Tom and every other player in the league) agreed to the contract that currently gives Goodell all that power.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 09:11:53 AM
The Rams in-season practice facility is around 5 miles away from me and their practices won't be public.  Dammit.

That's weird.  All teams have open practice for at least 2 weeks.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
I don't know if he'll bother with the SC. Personally, I wouldn't have even appealed last ruling. I do suspect he'll sue the league for whatever sort of defamation this is, and I've got no problem with that. The man has created a tremendous legacy for himself, and now he gets saddled with a "yeah, but. . ." that's arbitrary and undeserved because he works for a bunch of petty egotists.

From what we've heard here, he is going forward until he can't anymore.  They knew the chance was very slim for the re hearing in the second court but the lawyer they got has gone before the SC 80 times.  So that's their goal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2016, 09:24:38 AM
I don't know if he'll bother with the SC. Personally, I wouldn't have even appealed last ruling. I do suspect he'll sue the league for whatever sort of defamation this is, and I've got no problem with that. The man has created a tremendous legacy for himself, and now he gets saddled with a "yeah, but. . ." that's arbitrary and undeserved because he works for a bunch of petty egotists.

He tried to keep it going, but it got rejected the other day, by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17045257/new-england-patriots-qb-tom-brady-deflategate-appeal-denied-2nd-us-circuit-court

I understand him fighting because no one wants to be falsely accused of something but at the same time I'd like to move on from this mess. I have a feeling he'll keep fighting though, like Tom once said "I didn't come this far to come this far."

Not sure what you think Tom is fighting for at this point. My understanding is that he is going after the NFL and Goodell to try to say Goodell didn't have the power to suspend him for the offense, not to somehow prove he had nothing to do with deflating balls. Like the article I linked above says, unfortunately for Tom, Goodell is judge, jury, and executioner. But the irony of all ironies is that the NFLPA (representing Tom and every other player in the league) agreed to the contract that currently gives Goodell all that power.


I think at this point you have to assume that this is not about Tom Brady personally, but is using the brand "Brady" to address larger, labor-related issues.  It is for that reason that I believe it may be likely that the SC would take this.  Again, not because of "Brady" the man, but because it addresses a key labor relations issue. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 09:26:27 AM
I don't know if he'll bother with the SC. Personally, I wouldn't have even appealed last ruling. I do suspect he'll sue the league for whatever sort of defamation this is, and I've got no problem with that. The man has created a tremendous legacy for himself, and now he gets saddled with a "yeah, but. . ." that's arbitrary and undeserved because he works for a bunch of petty egotists.

He tried to keep it going, but it got rejected the other day, by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17045257/new-england-patriots-qb-tom-brady-deflategate-appeal-denied-2nd-us-circuit-court (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17045257/new-england-patriots-qb-tom-brady-deflategate-appeal-denied-2nd-us-circuit-court)

I understand him fighting because no one wants to be falsely accused of something but at the same time I'd like to move on from this mess. I have a feeling he'll keep fighting though, like Tom once said "I didn't come this far to come this far."

Not sure what you think Tom is fighting for at this point. My understanding is that he is going after the NFL and Goodell to try to say Goodell didn't have the power to suspend him for the offense, not to somehow prove he had nothing to do with deflating balls. Like the article I linked above says, unfortunately for Tom, Goodell is judge, jury, and executioner. But the irony of all ironies is that the NFLPA (representing Tom and every other player in the league) agreed to the contract that currently gives Goodell all that power.
I think he has a couple of fights here. For one, he's trying to duck the suspension. I don't think that was ever going to happen. Stadler's probably correct that he's looking to take up the cause because he's in a position to do so. I don't see this working out, either. Last, I think he's trying to protect his reputation. I still think there's some sort of defamation suit in his future, and that'll work out well for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 09:33:33 AM
I think at this point you have to assume that this is not about Tom Brady personally, but is using the brand "Brady" to address larger, labor-related issues.  It is for that reason that I believe it may be likely that the SC would take this.  Again, not because of "Brady" the man, but because it addresses a key labor relations issue.

I would agree. And I ask honestly, how is this a labor-related issue that actually holds water? Goodell was given the power he exercised by the labor agreement the labor union negotiated. Isn't this simply just a case of the union recognizing, "hey we made a bad deal, we should probably take note for 2020 when we have to renegotiate this thing and have some checks and balances in here for discipline"...?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 10:11:23 AM
I believe there was an expectation that the commissioner would use that power justly. This didn't happen. Whether or not that expectation is actually an obligation is I suspect what they're arguing about.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 10:19:49 AM
I believe there was an expectation that the commissioner would use that power justly. This didn't happen. Whether or not that expectation is actually an obligation is I suspect what they're arguing about.

Right but if they gave Goodell total control over discipline how can you determine he didn't act justly? He believed Tom deserved to be suspended, he had the power to suspend, and he did. Period. It's not like he punched Tom in the balls and made a your mom joke.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 10:30:32 AM
Judges are afforded the same role. If one decides to convict somebody despite a lack of evidence that wasn't misrepresented, is it a just ruling? Do we say "well he chose a bench trial so fuck'em?"
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 10:42:51 AM
I believe there was an expectation that the commissioner would use that power justly. This didn't happen. Whether or not that expectation is actually an obligation is I suspect what they're arguing about.

Right but if they gave Goodell total control over discipline how can you determine he didn't act justly? He believed Tom deserved to be suspended, he had the power to suspend, and he did. Period. It's not like he punched Tom in the balls and made a your mom joke.

When you manipulate the investigation like they did with the report, they had an NFL official edit the Wells Report, you give 4 games for possibly knowing and then change when you go to court and not say it's for not cooperation in the investigation when in the Wells Report Ted Wells said Tom cooperated. You are abusing the power you were given in the CBA.  That's just a few things.

By hey, I guess the players are now paying for not fighting to get that off the CBA.  2020 there will be a strike.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 10:51:36 AM
When you manipulate the investigation like they did with the report, they had an NFL official edit the Wells Report, you give 4 games for possibly knowing and then change when you go to court and not say it's for not cooperation in the investigation when in the Wells Report Ted Wells said Tom cooperated. You are abusing the power you were given in the CBA.  That's just a few things.

By hey, I guess the players are now paying for not fighting to get that off the CBA.  2020 there will be a strike.

I've never seen evidence the NFL manipulated the Wells Report. If they did, they did a pretty bad job editing it, since it basically didn't draw any stiff conclusion. If you're going to go to the trouble of tampering, tamper so the report actually supports your side of the argument.  :lol

Also, players have been suspended four games for less than this before, so I still can't understand (beyond name recognition) why this specific instance has been so drawn out. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 10:57:47 AM
You haven't been following then.  For sure they've changed their tune a thousand times.  For example, they interviewed both Jaskremski & McNally 4 times.  They wanted a 5th and the Pats denied them.  One works full time at another job and only does the home games for the Pats and lives 2 hours away from Foxboro.

The league then stated they were refused to interview them when in fact they did 4 times for both.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 15, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Brady has announced that he will no longer proceed with the legal process.

Bout time he took his punishment like a man. Hope he enjoys his 4 week vacation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 11:05:40 AM
You haven't been following then.

Well I haven't been following it from the greater Boston area, so I guess random conspiracies about the number of interviews of ball boys didn't make it on my radar.  :)

Brady has announced that he will no longer proceed with the legal process.

Bout time he took his punishment like a man. Hope he enjoys his 4 week vacation.

Thank the Lord. 4 weeks off, well deserved.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 11:06:46 AM
Well, well.  So everybody outside N.E. should be happy.  Interested in seeing how Jimmy G does.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
Not everyone.  I hate the Pats, and I still think it is bogus.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 11:18:41 AM
Not everyone.  I hate the Pats, and I still think it is bogus.

Majority.

I do wonder how much this will be a big deal or not for the next CBA.  A players lifespan in football is short so would they take less money to lessen Goodell's power?  I'm thinking most won't.  But if you look how Goodell handled the NO Saints, The Ray Rice incident, Deflategate, and the Miami incident it should be a big red flag for players to allow Goodell to arbitrarily make up the rules as he sees fit.

Still 4 years away so we'll see if other items like this pop up to keep the focus on Goodell or it clams down over time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: pogoowner on July 15, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
I think the entire thing is bogus as well. Even if there was clear cut evidence against Brady, the penalty is excessive for something as insignificant as the deflation of a football.

And I'd just rather watch one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time than watch Jimmy Garappolo.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 15, 2016, 11:23:30 AM
I think the entire thing is bogus as well. Even if there was clear cut evidence against Brady, the penalty is excessive for something as insignificant as the deflation of a football.

And I'd just rather watch one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time than watch Jimmy Garappolo.

And I'd rather one of the greatest QBs of all time not feel the need to cheat, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2016, 11:27:06 AM
Im going to look at the bright side of this since Im not a Pats fan and a fan of an NFC team... this may make the AFC more competitive for the playoffs  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 11:27:42 AM
Yet it was never proven that he did cheat.   The NFL themselves said that they had no proof in court. 

To me, this is why it should be troubling for players and fans.  If you got railroaded like this at work you would fight to your last breath but out in the internet world, it's take your medicine like a man Tom. 

Just imagine they had no proof you stole something at work yet they suspended you for it?  Yeah, nobody looks at it that way.

Im going to look at the bright side of this since Im not a Pats fan and a fan of an NFC team... this may make the AFC more competitive for the playoffs  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 15, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
Im going to look at the bright side of this since Im not a Pats fan and a fan of an NFC team... this may make the AFC more competitive for the playoffs  :lol

I don't think it changes much. I think they still win the East easily. Might just impact their chances at a bye week or homefield advantage. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 11:30:29 AM
Im going to look at the bright side of this since Im not a Pats fan and a fan of an NFC team... this may make the AFC more competitive for the playoffs  :lol

I don't think it changes much. I think they still win the East easily. Might just impact their chances at a bye week or homefield advantage.

That certainly helped the Broncos this year.


Home field only doesn't help with the Ravens.  Those SOB's can win in Foxboro.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 11:31:16 AM
And I'd rather one of the greatest QBs of all time not feel the need to cheat, but it is what it is.

This.

How is the penalty of a 4 game suspension excessive for cheating? Most players get suspended for things that are off the field. This directly effected the on-the-field game and jeopardized the integrity of the entire league.

Just imagine they had no proof you stole something at work yet they suspended you for it?  Yeah, nobody looks at it that way.

This is actually exactly how I have been looking at it. My employer, whether I liked it or not, would have every right to do that. Also, "no proof" is a big stretch...What do you want as far as proof, Tom to admit it?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 11:40:06 AM
Do you not get that the NLF said in open court that they had no evidence that Tom had any part in this.  An owner could not do that to an employee.  That leaves the door open for lawsuits and companies do not like getting dragged to court.

Come on, lets be real, it started as a vendetta from the other owners then it became about the power of discipline.  The league opened themselves to this and it almost cost them.  They should have fined the team and let it be.  No team would fight a fine to something like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2016, 11:41:14 AM
Im going to look at the bright side of this since Im not a Pats fan and a fan of an NFC team... this may make the AFC more competitive for the playoffs  :lol

I don't think it changes much. I think they still win the East easily. Might just impact their chances at a bye week or homefield advantage.

That's what I was meaning, playoff race, not the actual playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 11:56:50 AM
Do you not get that the NLF said in open court that they had no evidence that Tom had any part in this.  An owner could not do that to an employee.  That leaves the door open for lawsuits and companies do not like getting dragged to court.

If my employer suspected me of stealing (going back to your original example) and they hired an outside, third-party to investigate whether or not I did and the result of that report was that it was "more probable than not" that I stole, I could totally see your normal average employee getting suspended for something like that. Additionally, if I worked at a union shop and my union had given way to much power to the bosses that be in the company (not letting me appeal the decision to someone else in the organization), I'd be more upset with the union that is supposed to be working toward labor agreements with the best interest of the employees (me).

Honestly though, if you were right and Tom did nothing wrong, and the NFL was totally and completely wrong...Why didn't taking this issue outside of the NFL (taking it to U.S. courts) result in a reversal of the suspension? Tom giving up today says a lot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 11:58:57 AM
And I'd rather one of the greatest QBs of all time not feel the need to cheat, but it is what it is.

This.

How is the penalty of a 4 game suspension excessive for cheating? Most players get suspended for things that are off the field. This directly effected the on-the-field game and jeopardized the integrity of the entire league.
Because it falls well beyond what other teams/players have received for similar, if not worse, violations that were actually proven. Most equipment violations are hardly even looked into, including tampering with the balls.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 12:01:20 PM
If my employer suspected me of stealing (going back to your original example) and they hired an outside, third-party to investigate whether or not I did and the result of that report was that it was "more probable than not" that I stole, I could totally see your normal average employee getting suspended for something like that.
What if once you read that report you noticed that it actually included information that made it likely no money was ever stolen in the first place, which the authors admitted to ignoring?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 12:05:10 PM
Do you not get that the NLF said in open court that they had no evidence that Tom had any part in this.  An owner could not do that to an employee.  That leaves the door open for lawsuits and companies do not like getting dragged to court.

If my employer suspected me of stealing (going back to your original example) and they hired an outside, third-party to investigate whether or not I did and the result of that report was that it was "more probable than not" that I stole, I could totally see your normal average employee getting suspended for something like that. Additionally, if I worked at a union shop and my union had given way to much power to the bosses that be in the company (not letting me appeal the decision to someone else in the organization), I'd be more upset with the union that is supposed to be working toward labor agreements with the best interest of the employees (me).

Honestly though, if you were right and Tom did nothing wrong, and the NFL was totally and completely wrong...Why didn't taking this issue outside of the NFL (taking it to U.S. courts) result in a reversal of the suspension? Tom giving up today says a lot.

So you would be ok that you would get suspended because you were generally aware of something but they had no proof.  Sure you would take that in stride.

It blows my mind that because of a hate of a sports figure that people lose sight about real world applications.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 12:05:26 PM
Because it falls well beyond what other teams/players have received for similar, if not worse, violations that were actually proven. Most equipment violations are hardly even looked into, including tampering with the balls.

Sure, but conversely, I could give you examples of suspensions for 4 games or more that were less deserving than this situation, so it certainly goes both ways. The NFL is equally inconsistent.

What if once you read that report you noticed that it actually included information that made it likely no money was ever stolen in the first place, which the authors admitted to ignoring?

Not sure I get the comparison...? Directly from the report:
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"We nevertheless believe, based on the totality of the evidence, that it is more probable than not that Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls."

So maybe I instructed people that worked under me to steal for me? Would that be a better analogy?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 15, 2016, 12:07:17 PM
Do you not get that the NLF said in open court that they had no evidence that Tom had any part in this.  An owner could not do that to an employee.  That leaves the door open for lawsuits and companies do not like getting dragged to court.

If my employer suspected me of stealing (going back to your original example) and they hired an outside, third-party to investigate whether or not I did and the result of that report was that it was "more probable than not" that I stole, I could totally see your normal average employee getting suspended for something like that. Additionally, if I worked at a union shop and my union had given way to much power to the bosses that be in the company (not letting me appeal the decision to someone else in the organization), I'd be more upset with the union that is supposed to be working toward labor agreements with the best interest of the employees (me).

Honestly though, if you were right and Tom did nothing wrong, and the NFL was totally and completely wrong...Why didn't taking this issue outside of the NFL (taking it to U.S. courts) result in a reversal of the suspension? Tom giving up today says a lot.

So you would be ok that you would get suspended because you were generally aware of something but they had no proof.  Sure you would take that in stride.

It blows my mind that because of a hate of a sports figure that people lose sight about real world applications.

I'd be okay with being suspended if I knowingly did something wrong.  Of course I can't speak for Brady, but I'm pretty sure that he knew exactly what he did and or what was being done for him. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
So you would be ok that you would get suspended because you were generally aware of something but they had no proof.  Sure you would take that in stride.

It blows my mind that because of a hate of a sports figure that people lose sight about real world applications.

From what I've seen, you supervise workers for a living, so if two guys stole from your place of employment and the other guy told them to do it and was aware they were doing it, you'd be cool with that?

I don't hate Tom Brady at all. Like I said before, I've been trying to look at this from practical, real world perspectives, just because our opinions don't align doesn't mean I'm not looking at the situation from a real world perspective.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 12:17:28 PM
So you would be ok that you would get suspended because you were generally aware of something but they had no proof.  Sure you would take that in stride.

It blows my mind that because of a hate of a sports figure that people lose sight about real world applications.

From what I've seen, you supervise workers for a living, so if two guys stole from your place of employment and the other guy told them to do it and was aware they were doing it, you'd be cool with that?

I don't hate Tom Brady at all. Like I said before, I've been trying to look at this from practical, real world perspectives, just because our opinions don't align doesn't mean I'm not looking at the situation from a real world perspective.

I'm a manager so of course I look for that but if I can't prove it, I can't act on it.

Do you not get that the NLF said in open court that they had no evidence that Tom had any part in this.  An owner could not do that to an employee.  That leaves the door open for lawsuits and companies do not like getting dragged to court.

If my employer suspected me of stealing (going back to your original example) and they hired an outside, third-party to investigate whether or not I did and the result of that report was that it was "more probable than not" that I stole, I could totally see your normal average employee getting suspended for something like that. Additionally, if I worked at a union shop and my union had given way to much power to the bosses that be in the company (not letting me appeal the decision to someone else in the organization), I'd be more upset with the union that is supposed to be working toward labor agreements with the best interest of the employees (me).

Honestly though, if you were right and Tom did nothing wrong, and the NFL was totally and completely wrong...Why didn't taking this issue outside of the NFL (taking it to U.S. courts) result in a reversal of the suspension? Tom giving up today says a lot.

So you would be ok that you would get suspended because you were generally aware of something but they had no proof.  Sure you would take that in stride.

It blows my mind that because of a hate of a sports figure that people lose sight about real world applications.

I'd be okay with being suspended if I knowingly did something wrong.  Of course I can't speak for Brady, but I'm pretty sure that he knew exactly what he did and or what was being done for him. 

So if he did it, it is not 4 game worthy and you as a fan of the league should be worried that Goodell can set whatever punishment he deems at that time.  No set of rules for this.  I also know this is on the players and their union for allowing this.  It's their fault. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 15, 2016, 12:20:50 PM

I am worried about Goodell setting whatever punishment he thinks of at the time, but more importantly, I'd rather Brady or whoever get too much of a punishment than no punishment at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 12:21:10 PM
So if he did it, it is not 4 game worthy and you as a fan of the league should be worried that Goodell can set whatever punishment he deems at that time.  No set of rules for this.  I also know this is on the players and their union for allowing this.  It's their fault.

Wait what? If he did, it IS 4 game worthy, or more. Heck Big Ben got 4 games for literally doing nothing wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 12:22:42 PM
And who was that under Mike?  You know the answer.  So the answer is Goodell has too much power and can bend it for his own agenda.  You just answered it for me.  All fans should be worried.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 12:27:41 PM
And who was that under Mike?  You know the answer.  So the answer is Goodell has too much power and can bend it for his own agenda.  You just answered it for me.  All fans should be worried.

Goodell, no question. I agree, Goodell has too much power and I hope it gets remedied by the NFLPA in 2020. I've never disputed I think Goodell has too much power, that we can agree on. We just see differently when it comes to what should happen to Tom, that's all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 12:29:57 PM
So you agree that 4 games is appropriate?  I don't.  I didn't think Ben deserved that and a lot of the N.O. players.  I think the hate of the N.E. Patriots have blinding most and they want the max for everything.  That's fine, I know the team will use it as motivation.  They always do.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2016, 12:32:07 PM
In keeping with the poor "stealing" analogy, I think it's lost that Tom could absolutely have done everything they said he did and it STILL wouldn't necessarily mean he cheated.   The balls have to be a certain pressure at the point of review by the refs.   They cannot be tampered with after that point.

If Tom texted Laurel and Hardy and said "Make those balls to my liking, and I'll give you swag", as long as Stan and Ollie did their work BEFORE giving the balls to the refs, all is good.    There is no proof that they modified the balls after the refs saw them (the air pressure can be accounted for through environmental means).   

So the stealing analogy doesn't work.  I think it's more akin to the manager saying "Do whatever it takes to get this contract/sale!" and 99% of all workers interpret that to mean having sales brochures, following through with the customer, working hard to build trust, and being diligent on the proposal, and there will always be 1% that interpret that to include bribes of cash, blow, and hookers.   Is that on the manager?  Even if it is, we're not there, we're at the "10% of the 99%" that walk right up to the line and don't ACTUALLY give bribes, but maybe say "well, give us this contract and I'll make sure I'm on our pricing folks to make sure we don't get aggressive with our pricing, and I'll go talk to our manufacturing guy to make sure you always have a supply of widgets."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2016, 12:34:26 PM
So you agree that 4 games is appropriate?  I don't.  I didn't think Ben deserved that and a lot of the N.O. players.  I think the hate of the N.E. Patriots have blinding most and they want the max for everything.  That's fine, I know the team will use it as motivation.  They always do.

Arizona is a great team, so there's that, but if I'm Miami, Buffalo and Houston, I'm not really taking any comfort that Belichick has had several months and will have the entire preseason to get Jimmy G. on a level to at least give his team a fighting chance. 

I say the Pats are 3-1 on Brady's return.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 12:37:59 PM
Games 2 through 4 are at home as well.I'm hoping for 3-1 but 2-2 is also reasonable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 15, 2016, 12:41:04 PM
Broncos and Miller agree on his mega deal.  Chiefs and Berry unlikely to work something out prior to the deadline.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 12:43:17 PM

What if once you read that report you noticed that it actually included information that made it likely no money was ever stolen in the first place, which the authors admitted to ignoring?

Not sure I get the comparison...? Directly from the report:
Quote
"We nevertheless believe, based on the totality of the evidence, that it is more probable than not that Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls."

Also from the report:
Quote
We believe it is more probable that Anderson used the non-logo gauge for his pre-game measurements.
This despite Walt's recollection that he used the other gauge, which would have put the Patriots' balls right where they'd be expected to be.

To carry on your theft analogy, the report would have said something to the effect of "while the accountant said the money was accounted for after all, we think that it was actually still missing, and therefore stolen."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 12:49:34 PM
So you agree that 4 games is appropriate?

For Tom? Hell, I dunno at this point, I guess so. It's hard to say because the league is so inconsistent with suspension lengths for different situations.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 12:53:00 PM
So you agree that 4 games is appropriate?

For Tom? Hell, I dunno at this point, I guess so. It's hard to say because the league is so inconsistent with suspension lengths for different situations.
Or same situations. Putting stick'em on the balls results in no suspensions at all. And they were seen doing it!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2016, 12:54:18 PM
And the stickum towels were never handed over!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 01:01:57 PM
So you agree that 4 games is appropriate?

For Tom? Hell, I dunno at this point, I guess so. It's hard to say because the league is so inconsistent with suspension lengths for different situations.
Or same situations. Putting stick'em on the balls results in no suspensions at all. And they were seen doing it!

And the stickum towels were never handed over!

 :lol Like I said before, I'm not sticking (no pun intended) up for Goodell or the NFL. I think overall, player discipline is not handled consistently or with excellence.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2016, 01:03:10 PM
Seems that while Brady isn't going to continue the fight, the NFLPA is. It's statement is that it will not seek a stay of the suspension, but that it is going to petition the SCOTUS for cert.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: dparrott on July 15, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
The Rams in-season practice facility is around 5 miles away from me and their practices won't be public.  Dammit.

That's weird.  All teams have open practice for at least 2 weeks.

They're practicing south of L.A. right now while their local complex is being built.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2016, 01:10:06 PM
Honestly though, if you were right and Tom did nothing wrong, and the NFL was totally and completely wrong...Why didn't taking this issue outside of the NFL (taking it to U.S. courts) result in a reversal of the suspension? Tom giving up today says a lot.

Not that I have a dog in this fight, but just to clear up this part of it:  Courts have no power to review ALL of the facts.  They can only look at whether there is something clear that points to fraud or clear-cut bias that influenced the decision on the part of the NFL.  That is almost impossible to prove.  But the courts aren't going to look into the underlying merits of Tom's case.  So him giving up actually doesn't say a whole lot about whether or not he cheated. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 15, 2016, 01:12:10 PM
Not that I have a dog in this fight, but just to clear up this part of it:  Courts have no power to review ALL of the facts.  They can only look at whether there is something clear that points to fraud or clear-cut bias that influenced the decision on the part of the NFL.  That is almost impossible to prove.  But the courts aren't going to look into the underlying merits of Tom's case.  So him giving up actually doesn't say a whole lot about whether or not he cheated.

That seems fair, thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2016, 01:16:30 PM
And really, these appeals have been basically about procedure, not the merits of the suspension itself.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2016, 04:39:10 PM
Regardless of what the NFL says, I stand firm in my beliefs that Brady got four games not for allegedly cheating, but going out of his way to not help in the investigation.  Had he said, "Yeah, I had them deflate the balls a little bit, like all QBs do, to get them where I like them, and if that was against the rules, I apologize," he might have gotten fined and maybe a one game suspension.  Instead, he acted arrogant and snarky about it at that press conference and was then not helpful when it came to the league's questions.  The four-game suspension is dumb, yes, but it was preventable on Brady's part. Like Jim Rome says, the coverup is always worse than the crime.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 04:47:10 PM
If he did it Kev, do you blame him because of the overreaction of the offices towards the Pats and their unbalanced punishments? 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2016, 04:54:26 PM
Brady, not really, but given the Patriots recent history of, well, skirting the rules, it's not that surprising that the league would eventually want to hammer them.  I think the arrogance of Brady and the Patriots got the best of them this time, as they thought they were teflon and could squirm their way out of it.

And as harsh as this punishment is, it's still a picnic compared to how hard the Saints got hammered years ago.  They lost their coach for a whole freaking season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2016, 04:56:44 PM
There is the problem outside of NE.  People are pleased because of their hate of the Pats but the NFL leadership is the real issue that the focus isn't on.

The owners (and I include Kraft) and Goodell are the real issue here.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: axeman90210 on July 15, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
Pleasantly surprised the Jets came to a contract agreement with Mo Wilkerson before the deadline.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 15, 2016, 08:18:02 PM
Pleasantly surprised the Jets came to a contract agreement with Mo Wilkerson before the deadline.

I'm very happy. He deserved to get paid and the Jets found a way to do it without completely draining their cap space. Now their best player will be on the field instead of holding out. With him, Richardson, and Williams holding down the fort on the D-line, Revis still playing at a high level in the secondary, and Marshall, Decker, and Forte giving defensive coordinators headaches, the Jets can honestly be successful with Geno Smith at QB. All he has to do is not lose games (similar to Mark Sanchez in 2010) and the amazing team around him will have every opportunity to win. I'm cautiously optimistic for this upcoming season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2016, 08:21:41 PM
Let's be serious now; Geno Smith is shitty.  They couldn't even make the playoffs last year with Fitzpatrick having his best year ever, and you think they can make it this year with a major drop-off at QB? I say no way. I suspect a deal will be struck with Fitzpatrick just in time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 16, 2016, 05:04:46 AM
I do think the Jets now have a good, stable couch now in place and that is a huge plus.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 16, 2016, 06:32:01 AM
True, but it's still difficult to make the playoffs with a shitty QB (Geno Smith).  The Jets upside is severely limited if he's their starter for most or all of the season.

Now, I know one could point to the 2015 Broncos and say, "They won the Super Bowl with mediocre QB play overall," but they had an all-time great defense that had to be every bit as great as they were for the Broncos to pull off what they did.  That is why I am not too optimistic about this season.  The defense should still be great, but not as crazy good (consider that the Broncos won four games by one possession in which the defense scored a touchdown; you cannot expect a defense to score touchdowns on a regular basis from year to year), and the QB situation appears to be a mess right now.  Three Super Bowl wins in the last 19 seasons is great, but it's kind of weird knowing that we as fans went into two of the three following seasons knowing they had little chance to repeat (same situation in '99 when Elway had retired). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 16, 2016, 07:06:43 AM
That's the hardest part. Getting "that" QB.  It's like pan handling for gold.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: axeman90210 on July 16, 2016, 07:11:27 AM
Let's be serious now; Geno Smith is shitty.  They couldn't even make the playoffs last year with Fitzpatrick having his best year ever, and you think they can make it this year with a major drop-off at QB? I say no way. I suspect a deal will be struck with Fitzpatrick just in time.

To be honest, I don't know that the drop off will be major if Geno ends up starting. He didn't look good his first two years, but he also had an absolutely horrific surrounding cast. This'll be his second year in Gailey's system, and if he gets a full offseason of reps (no more locker room fights pls) with the first string I'm kind of curious as to what he'll look like. Not saying there won't be a drop off, I just think there's a chance it won't be as severe as everyone's assuming it will be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 16, 2016, 08:33:16 AM
Let's be serious now; Geno Smith is shitty.  They couldn't even make the playoffs last year with Fitzpatrick having his best year ever, and you think they can make it this year with a major drop-off at QB? I say no way. I suspect a deal will be struck with Fitzpatrick just in time.

To be honest, I don't know that the drop off will be major if Geno ends up starting. He didn't look good his first two years, but he also had an absolutely horrific surrounding cast. This'll be his second year in Gailey's system, and if he gets a full offseason of reps (no more locker room fights pls) with the first string I'm kind of curious as to what he'll look like. Not saying there won't be a drop off, I just think there's a chance it won't be as severe as everyone's assuming it will be.

This. I'm not saying Geno is great, but he has shown some upside in a few games (his gusty performance against the Falcons in 2013 and his perfect game against the Dolphins in 2014 come to mind). The problem was the terrible team around him that was a result of John Idzik being cheap and leaving the cupboard bare. It put too much on his shoulders and he simply wasn't ready to be that QB. Now the roster is much better and all Geno has to do is be a game manager. With a head coach that puts a lot more focus on discipline than the last and an offensive coordinator that has the ability to maximize his players' strengths while masking their weaknesses, Geno may be able to capitalize on the raw talent that he undeniablely has and simply not throw games away. His receivers can easily grab a lead and his defense can easily keep it. He just can't blow it and with less pressure on his shoulders I think he could do just that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 16, 2016, 08:36:19 AM
I've got to say from the outside, I do not look at Geno as a go to QB.  He regressed durring a time when he should have progressed.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 16, 2016, 12:41:54 PM
The Rams in-season practice facility is around 5 miles away from me and their practices won't be public.  Dammit.

That's weird.  All teams have open practice for at least 2 weeks.

They're practicing south of L.A. right now while their local complex is being built.

Yep!  UCI, for at least the next 3 training camps.

https://www.therams.com/ramscamp.html
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 16, 2016, 07:02:48 PM
True, but it's still difficult to make the playoffs with a shitty QB (Geno Smith).  The Jets upside is severely limited if he's their starter for most or all of the season.

Now, I know one could point to the 2015 Broncos and say, "They won the Super Bowl with mediocre QB play overall," but they had an all-time great defense that had to be every bit as great as they were for the Broncos to pull off what they did.  That is why I am not too optimistic about this season.  The defense should still be great, but not as crazy good (consider that the Broncos won four games by one possession in which the defense scored a touchdown; you cannot expect a defense to score touchdowns on a regular basis from year to year), and the QB situation appears to be a mess right now.  Three Super Bowl wins in the last 19 seasons is great, but it's kind of weird knowing that we as fans went into two of the three following seasons knowing they had little chance to repeat (same situation in '99 when Elway had retired).

I wouldn't call the QB situation a mess. I think people like to exaggerate how "bad" Sanchez is because of one stupid play, and maybe because he struggled with the train wreck that was Chip Kelly's offense last season. Sanchez has shown us that he can play well with a good supporting cast. I think he could succeed in Kubiak's offense with a great receiving corps, solid running backs and an improved o-line. I think he'll end up starting all 16 games this season barring injury, as it sounds like Paxton Lynch is at least 1 full year away from being ready. I'm predicting Denver to win the division again, or at the very least, make it back to the post season. I do realize Oakland and Kansas City are legitimate threats, but I still think Denver is the best team in the AFC West. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled about Sanchez being the starting QB for the Broncos, but I am pretty optimistic that he will bounce back and play well enough. This will be the best team he's ever played on, so hopefully he doesn't blow it. I definitely don't have them repeating, but that's a pretty tall task. Just ask Russell Wilson and Tom Brady  ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 17, 2016, 07:06:14 AM
True, but it's still difficult to make the playoffs with a shitty QB (Geno Smith).  The Jets upside is severely limited if he's their starter for most or all of the season.

Now, I know one could point to the 2015 Broncos and say, "They won the Super Bowl with mediocre QB play overall," but they had an all-time great defense that had to be every bit as great as they were for the Broncos to pull off what they did.  That is why I am not too optimistic about this season.  The defense should still be great, but not as crazy good (consider that the Broncos won four games by one possession in which the defense scored a touchdown; you cannot expect a defense to score touchdowns on a regular basis from year to year), and the QB situation appears to be a mess right now.  Three Super Bowl wins in the last 19 seasons is great, but it's kind of weird knowing that we as fans went into two of the three following seasons knowing they had little chance to repeat (same situation in '99 when Elway had retired).

I wouldn't call the QB situation a mess. I think people like to exaggerate how "bad" Sanchez is because of one stupid play, and maybe because he struggled with the train wreck that was Chip Kelly's offense last season. Sanchez has shown us that he can play well with a good supporting cast. I think he could succeed in Kubiak's offense with a great receiving corps, solid running backs and an improved o-line. I think he'll end up starting all 16 games this season barring injury, as it sounds like Paxton Lynch is at least 1 full year away from being ready. I'm predicting Denver to win the division again, or at the very least, make it back to the post season. I do realize Oakland and Kansas City are legitimate threats, but I still think Denver is the best team in the AFC West. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled about Sanchez being the starting QB for the Broncos, but I am pretty optimistic that he will bounce back and play well enough. This will be the best team he's ever played on, so hopefully he doesn't blow it. I definitely don't have them repeating, but that's a pretty tall task. Just ask Russell Wilson and Tom Brady  ;)

Sanchez played some good football for a Jets team that was built very closely to the way the Broncos are built now. People who aren't Jets fans forget that had Pittsburgh not converted that third down in the final minutes of the 2010 AFC Championship Game, the Jets may have very well marched down the field and won the conference. Sanchez played a big role in them getting closer to the Super Bowl than they had since they won it all in 1968. He's a decent QB who can be successful with the right team around him. The Broncos are the first time that this is the case since Mike Tannenbaum ruined the Jets roster in 2011 and 2012. Elway has proven to be a good GM who makes great personnel decisions and I think that signing Mark Sanchez will fall into that category as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 17, 2016, 08:11:07 AM
Trevor Siemian, whom the Broncos took in the 7th round last year, is supposedly having a good offseason and might actually have a good shot at being the starter this year. Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 17, 2016, 10:59:10 AM
Trevor Siemian, whom the Broncos took in the 7th round last year, is supposedly having a good offseason and might actually have a good shot at being the starter this year. Time will tell.

It's always awesome to see a late rounder, or better yet an UDFA turn into a solid starter!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: MetalJunkie on July 21, 2016, 01:28:08 PM
That's the hardest part. Getting "that" QB.  It's like pan handling for gold.
More like green and gold.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2016, 03:12:50 PM
Sanchez isn't my first choice, but he is a good choice - again, with the right team around him - and certainly better than Geno Smith.   I see Sanchez being a Joe Flacco-type.  Never be the guy to carry an entire, bad team (like Brady) but certainly can be a very good player on a very good team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Please name one bad team Brady has ever carried.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 21, 2016, 04:38:36 PM
Please name one bad team Brady has ever carried.

So Kev, you have your answer .  Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 21, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
Please name one bad team Brady has ever carried.

Maybe the '09 Patriots team? The one that got curb stomped by Baltimore at home in the first round of the playoffs  :rollin I still wouldn't call that team bad, but that's the closest thing I can think of that could be considered a "bad team" that Brady carried. They did lose to a Kyle Orton/Josh McDouchebag lead Bronco team after all  :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2016, 08:49:52 PM
The '09 Patriots with the 6th best scoring defense, pro bowlers on their lines and Moss and Welker both still killing it, were a "bad" team?  Not even close.

Don't get me wrong, Brady, like I always say, is one of the best QBs ever, but it's pure nonsense to say that he has or could carry bad teams on his back.  The Patriots are never set up that way, thanks to their team concept that always starts at the top.

Oh, and I remember that Broncos win over them. That was kind of a lucky win, but then again, the Broncos have mostly owned the Patriots in head to head match-ups in the Brady/Belichick era. :coolio :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: King Postwhore on July 21, 2016, 08:55:03 PM
They sure have you son of a bitch. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2016, 08:57:07 PM
3-1 in the playoffs alone, with that lone playoff win for the Patriots being when we started...Tebow.  Score!!! :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: kaos2900 on July 22, 2016, 06:21:25 AM
Denver will have the best defense and worst offense in the division. I don't see them winning the division this year. I the AFC west will be the toughest division this year and will have two playoff teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2016, 07:42:53 AM
Please name one bad team Brady has ever carried.

As a team, no, I'll give you that.  What I mean is, "on any given Sunday".  Tom Brady can beat you if the D isn't playing well, if the running game is stymied, or if the passing attack isn't quite clicking.  Look at early in the season two years ago. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 22, 2016, 10:30:39 AM
Rest in peace Dennis Green. The hits just keep on coming this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 22, 2016, 10:32:18 AM
Rest in peace Dennis Green. The hits just keep on coming this year.

Yeah that's too bad. He was who we thought he was. But death didn't let him off the hook.



And if this is true... not a good way to start your career.....

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Dallas Cowboys rookie Ezekiel Elliott has been accused of domestic violence but has denied the allegation.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17124913/ezekiel-elliott-dallas-cowboys-denies-domestic-assault-accusation
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 22, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17124034/pittsburgh-steelers-rb-leveon-bell-facing-four-game-ban-missed-drug-test

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on July 22, 2016, 04:08:10 PM
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17124034/pittsburgh-steelers-rb-leveon-bell-facing-four-game-ban-missed-drug-test

 :facepalm:

No kidding. I'm looking around for a ledge . . .
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2016, 05:22:52 PM
A lot of stories about what really happened with Elliot, so I guess we'll have to see how this plays out.

Bell is just another idiot who would rather get high than make his money and play football.  Stupid.

R.I.P. Dennis Green. One of the more underrated head coaches of the last 25 years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 22, 2016, 08:11:26 PM
Do not drink anything while watching this link.

https://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2653580-leveon-bell-gets-the-breakfast-club-treatment-renamed-the-suspension-club
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cable on July 22, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
^ :lol :rollin :lol



R.I.P. Dennis Green. One of the more underrated head coaches of the last 25 years.


Agree Kev, Green was underrated.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cable on July 22, 2016, 10:29:02 PM
*double post edit*
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 23, 2016, 06:56:23 AM
I looked his coaching W/L record up and was surprised to see it wasn't as great as I would have thought.  Three sub -500 years in Arizona didn't help.  A lot of fans here in St. Louis will alway remember Green as a crybaby for going to the rules committee to make team end zone celebrations illegal, after the Rams did their "bob and weave" repeatedly in their beatdown of the Vikings in the 1999 divisional round.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 23, 2016, 07:03:16 AM
I always thought Polian and Jeff Fisher complained in those committees to help their teams every time someone beat them. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 23, 2016, 07:10:44 AM
Maybe, but I believe Green was the main one pounding the drum to get rid of team celebrations in the end zone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cable on July 23, 2016, 08:33:27 AM
I looked his coaching W/L record up and was surprised to see it wasn't as great as I would have thought.  Three sub -500 years in Arizona didn't help.  A lot of fans here in St. Louis will alway remember Green as a crybaby for going to the rules committee to make team end zone celebrations illegal, after the Rams did their "bob and weave" repeatedly in their beatdown of the Vikings in the 1999 divisional round.


Well, in AZ he was part of an organization, that at the time, was a black hole for coaches and players. So I would not necessarily fault the total failure on him. But on the other side, the rest of his coaching career was in the single to double A minor leagues so to speak. :-\
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: KevShmev on July 23, 2016, 09:02:28 AM
I never replied to this...

Please name one bad team Brady has ever carried.

As a team, no, I'll give you that.  What I mean is, "on any given Sunday".  Tom Brady can beat you if the D isn't playing well, if the running game is stymied, or if the passing attack isn't quite clicking.  Look at early in the season two years ago.

That's fine, but Flacco is capable of doing the same thing.  No, Flacco is no Tom Brady, but he has been a good, and at times great, QB for the Ravens for quite a while now.  Saying Sanchez is on the same level as Flacco, which started this whole conversation, is unfair.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on July 23, 2016, 11:21:18 AM
I never replied to this...

Please name one bad team Brady has ever carried.

As a team, no, I'll give you that.  What I mean is, "on any given Sunday".  Tom Brady can beat you if the D isn't playing well, if the running game is stymied, or if the passing attack isn't quite clicking.  Look at early in the season two years ago.

That's fine, but Flacco is capable of doing the same thing.  No, Flacco is no Tom Brady, but he has been a good, and at times great, QB for the Ravens for quite a while now.  Saying Sanchez is on the same level as Flacco, which started this whole conversation, is unfair.
Agreed. Flacco seems to have peaked, rather than continuing to elevate himself to the top level of QBs after his Super Bowl win, but trying to put Sanchez on a similar level to Flacco is both odd and an extreme stretch, in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 23, 2016, 08:23:08 PM
Do not drink anything while watching this link.

https://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2653580-leveon-bell-gets-the-breakfast-club-treatment-renamed-the-suspension-club

That was awesome  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD
Post by: Rattlehead on July 23, 2016, 10:36:50 PM
The '09 Patriots with the 6th best scoring defense, pro bowlers on their lines and Moss and Welker both still killing it, were a "bad" team?  Not even close.

Don't get me wrong, Brady, like I always say, is one of the best QBs ever, but it's pure nonsense to say that he has or could carry bad teams on his back.  The Patriots are never set up that way, thanks to their team concept that always starts at the top.

Oh, and I remember that Broncos win over them. That was kind of a lucky win, but then again, the Broncos have mostly owned the Patriots in head to head match-ups in the Brady/Belichick era. :coolio :hat

I didn't say they were a bad team… I guess the only thing I really remember about that Patriots team is them losing to Orton and the Broncos, and the Ravens annihilating them at Foxborough in the playoffs. It just sticks out in my head because Brady is so damn good in the playoffs, I can't seem to think of ever having seen him lose that badly in the playoffs aside from that game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 06:45:37 AM
I was at the Raven's game. It was the first time I was late getting in. I left 40 minutes before the start of the game.  The lines at the gates were incredible.

By the time we got to the seat, it was,14-0 Ravens. It was a terrible game.

An NFL show showed Belichick talking to Brady durring the season saying "I can't get this team to play tye,way they should".

Even though they were 10-6 they were not going anywhere and it was apparent.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on July 24, 2016, 09:11:29 AM
It was a strange game… you rarely ever see a Belichick coached team look that flat. The next year they lost at home to the Jets in the playoffs, but since then they've had 5 straight AFC Championship game appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances and 1 Super Bowl win, so it's safe to say Belichick got his shit together after that  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 09:19:58 AM
It was Belichick the GM that got his shit together.

For sure!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
I was at the Raven's game. It was the first time I was late getting in. I left 40 minutes before the start of the game.  The lines at the gates were incredible.

By the time we got to the seat, it was,14-0 Ravens. It was a terrible game.

An NFL show showed Belichick talking to Brady durring the season saying "I can't get this team to play tye,way they should".

Even though they were 10-6 they were not going anywhere and it was apparent.

I enjoyed it. :)

  It just sticks out in my head because Brady is so damn good in the playoffs, I can't seem to think of ever having seen him lose that badly in the playoffs aside from that game.

Despite the public misperception that he elevates his play in the playoffs, it isn't as good as his play in the regular season, by a pretty good margin.  Just an FYI.  If you don't believe me, look it up. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 09:31:15 AM
You revel in my pain Kev. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
I try. :P

Then again, your team has won four Super Bowls in the last 15 years, so let's not act like your pain is so awful. ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
Well, I never thought I'd see this.  I was always on the outside.  It has been an incredible run and to be at some iconic games is something I'll always cherish as a sports fan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 09:54:47 AM
And really, you can't ask for more than that. :coolio :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on July 24, 2016, 09:56:26 AM
Despite the public misperception that he elevates his play in the playoffs, it isn't as good as his play in the regular season, by a pretty good margin.  Just an FYI.  If you don't believe me, look it up. :biggrin:

What about the win to loss ratio? Maybe it's not as good as his regular season ratio, but it's not really fair to compare the two as the level of competition changes in the post season. I never said Brady is better statistically in the playoffs than the regular season, I just said he is damn good, which I think is hard to argue.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
Despite the public misperception that he elevates his play in the playoffs, it isn't as good as his play in the regular season, by a pretty good margin.  Just an FYI.  If you don't believe me, look it up. :biggrin:

What about the win to loss ratio?

Win to loss is far greater in the regular season, too.

Besides, win to loss ratio is a team sport.  The Patriots have won plenty of playoff games this century where Brady didn't play particularly well (all three games in 2001, 2006 divisional round win over SD, 2007 AFCCG, 2011 AFCCG, etc.). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on July 24, 2016, 10:09:33 AM
I did go back and edit that before you had replied, because I realize it came off as if I thought the ratio was better in the post season, even though it is not. I make the same argument for the Manning bashers, that competition is so different in the post season, it's not really fair to act as if a QB is not as good in the playoffs because his numbers aren't as good as the regular season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 10:24:23 AM
Well, it goes without saying that you are facing better teams in the postseason, so it is hard to put up monster games every playoff game, so yeah, that goes without saying.

I just laugh when some act like Brady is this postseason god, while Manning is a postseason chump, when their overall postseason numbers, from an individual standpoint, are extremely similar.  Brady's passer rating is a whopping .6 better than Manning's in the playoffs, despite usually playing on better teams and always having better coaching.

But yeah, let's not have another Manning vs Brady debate... :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on July 24, 2016, 10:35:04 AM
Well, it goes without saying that you are facing better teams in the postseason, so it is hard to put up monster games every playoff game, so yeah, that goes without saying.

I just laugh when some act like Brady is this postseason god, while Manning is a postseason chump, when their overall postseason numbers, from an individual standpoint, are extremely similar.  Brady's passer rating is a whopping .6 better than Manning's in the playoffs, despite usually playing on better teams and always having better coaching.

But yeah, let's not have another Manning vs Brady debate... :lol :lol

I am totally with you on that… they are both great QBs who have won multiple Super Bowls, so let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 12:31:06 PM
Well, it goes without saying that you are facing better teams in the postseason, so it is hard to put up monster games every playoff game, so yeah, that goes without saying.

I just laugh when some act like Brady is this postseason god, while Manning is a postseason chump, when their overall postseason numbers, from an individual standpoint, are extremely similar.  Brady's passer rating is a whopping .6 better than Manning's in the playoffs, despite usually playing on better teams and always having better coaching.

But yeah, let's not have another Manning vs Brady debate... :lol :lol

Then don't bring up that retired guy then. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on July 24, 2016, 12:53:49 PM
That Ravens game was one of the very few times I've ever put a loss largely on Belichick. While there's no question the team was flat, he made a couple of decisions that really hobbled them. The fake punt to end the first half was a terrible call. There was no reason to even try. Even if they'd made it they weren't going to do anything with that amount of time left and the way they were playing. Any emotional boost they gained would have helped for 2 minutes until halftime. There was just no benefit to meaure up against the risk. The consequence of it was another 7 points for Baltimore, though. They would have run the clock out after a punt and gone into halftime with a 17-7 lead. After that of course they're going to score on you and now you're down 17 and completely deflated. There was another decision in there somewhere that I also thought was boneheaded, but I don't recall what it was.  It was also the case that at time NE played very aggressive football and it worked for them. It was just never at the right time and they never stuck with it. They just didn't strike me as a team trying to play their own game and they weren't good enough to play somebody else's.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 12:58:04 PM
Over the years Belichick takes chances because he sees the team is flat. It's questionable but I think he sees it's a chance tolight a fire up their asses.

When it doesn't work they look real bad.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on July 24, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
I just read a stat that Joe Flacco had a passer rating of 2.8 at halftime when the Ravens were leading by a score of 24-7 in that game :o
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 01:40:34 PM
Barto, I think that is the Jets game you are thinking of.  The failed punt in that game near the end of the half led to the Jets go-ahead score and they never trailed again, IIRC.  The Ravens game was 24-0 in the first quarter.  And yeah, Flacco was terrible in that game, but it didn't matter since Rice ripped off that TD on the first play of the game and then the Ravens D kept getting turnovers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
I just read a stat that Joe Flacco had a passer rating of 2.8 at halftime when the Ravens were leading by a score of 24-7 in that game :o

Yup. They were running all over the Pats and turnovers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on July 24, 2016, 01:52:31 PM
Barto, I think that is the Jets game you are thinking of.  The failed punt in that game near the end of the half led to the Jets go-ahead score and they never trailed again, IIRC.  The Ravens game was 24-0 in the first quarter.  And yeah, Flacco was terrible in that game, but it didn't matter since Rice ripped off that TD on the first play of the game and then the Ravens D kept getting turnovers.
Yup. You're right. It also seems that the fake was called on the field and not the sidelines, so it's not on Bill anyway. I just remember being pretty disgusted by the whole thing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
That was one of the strangest playoffs games ever.  The Patriots were miles better than the Jets that year, yet the Jets played the game of their lives, while the Patriots looked unprepared and disinterested.  It was weird to watch.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2016, 06:05:42 PM
It was weird and upsetting to be at.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 25, 2016, 04:15:24 PM
Remember when Roger Goodell said deflating footballs is the same as take PED's? Yeah, I do. 

Funny how Ted Wells was not involved.


Also funny how the investigations are still going on with the players that are in the league still but retired players are cleared quicker.

Peyton's wife to taking HGH while I'll early getting them.  Yup.  Seems like an agenda to me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 25, 2016, 04:44:42 PM
I think it's time for a) acceptance, and b) moving on.  Deflategate is over.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 25, 2016, 04:48:45 PM
 :lol

NEVER!!!

I think it shows a clear pattern to the NFL offices.  I will bang this gone every chance I get. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 25, 2016, 04:51:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEhDrJzM8E
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 25, 2016, 04:54:48 PM
I would have gone with Power Station's version. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 25, 2016, 05:16:15 PM
I went old school. :big grin:

So...I think the stat was that every year, 4-5 teams that made the playoffs the previous year, miss them the next year. So, who will be those 4-5 teams this year?

The most likely, IMO:

1. Washington - I doubt they will win the NFC East again, since Dallas is better when healthy and NYG and Philly should both be improved.  I'll be shocked if they make it again.
2. Houston - JJ Watt's back injury is a concern, and if that lingers too far into the season, that defense won't be nearly as good.
3. Cincinnati - strange pick to some probably, but they lost their number 2 and 3 WRs, they had a couple of crazy comeback wins last year that could easily be losses this year, and the Ravens will be a force again in that division.
4. Minnesota - maybe it's their lack of playoff history, but I have a hard time seeing this team being really good again.
5. Denver - it pains me to type that, but the mess at QB is a major concern, and their defense is almost guaranteed to not be as awesome.  Division is getting tougher, too.  I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 25, 2016, 05:18:26 PM
And the teams, IMO, most likely to make the playoffs this year that didn't last year:

1. Dallas
2. Indy
3. Baltimore
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 25, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
While I like you pics I still think the Denver D is that good so a wild card is not out of the question.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on July 25, 2016, 06:37:30 PM
And it's not like Denver's QB play was very good last year, either. It ranged anywhere from decent to awful, week to week.

My hunch is that Carolina is a pretty average team this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 25, 2016, 06:49:10 PM
Okay, but Manning, despite his drop-off, made some big plays at the end of the wins against KC, Detroit, Cleveland and San Diego.  And Osweiler did the same in the win against NE. It remains to be seen if their QBs this year can play as well at the end of games.

Carolina will fall back to the pack - almost hard not to after going 15-1 - but they should still win 10-12 games.  Cam might have a bit of a hangover from his Super Bowl performance, but he should still be a major force.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on July 25, 2016, 07:19:05 PM
Okay, but Manning, despite his drop-off, made some big plays at the end of the wins against KC, Detroit, Cleveland and San Diego.  And Osweiler did the same in the win against NE. It remains to be seen if their QBs this year can play as well at the end of games.
Indeed. But it's also possible they play just well enough for the first 50 minutes that they don't need the last second heroics. I think a few of those games Peyton was digging them out of a hole of his own creation.

And Carolina just struck me as a team playing above themselves. You don't generally see teams repeat that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on July 26, 2016, 10:46:47 AM
Great article by Peter King about the new movie about Steve Gleason and his battle with ALS. I teared up just reading the article, I'm sure I'd be a bawling mess by the end of the film.
https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/07/22/nfl-steve-gleason-movie-review
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 26, 2016, 02:27:37 PM
Great article by Peter King about the new movie about Steve Gleason and his battle with ALS. I teared up just reading the article, I'm sure I'd be a bawling mess by the end of the film.
https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/07/22/nfl-steve-gleason-movie-review

Yeah, I've been waiting for this one.  I too will be a sniveling wreck more than likely. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on July 26, 2016, 02:35:43 PM
A guy who played linebacker at Penn State who I met since we had a golf class together while at PSU (Yes, I was required to take gym classes so I took a class on golf), Tim Shaw, was drafted and played in the NFL for a few years.  He was diagnosed with ALS.  I follow him on facebook and his journey.  So sad.  The guy was huge and ripped and tackling guys in the NFL, now he has shrunk and from following him, I can tell he is starting to struggle.  He posted a video of him swinging a golf club and it was sooo sad especially considering that is how I met him.  He was able to drive the ball 400 yards, much further than our PGA instructor and that video was so different.   :(
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 28, 2016, 04:58:25 AM
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The New York Jets and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick ended their five-month contract dispute Wednesday. The two sides finalized a one-year, $12 million contract on the eve of the team's first training camp practice, sources told ESPN.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17159416/ryan-fitzpatrick-new-york-jets-agree-1-year-deal-worth-12-million
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on July 28, 2016, 06:57:18 AM
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The New York Jets and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick ended their five-month contract dispute Wednesday. The two sides finalized a one-year, $12 million contract on the eve of the team's first training camp practice, sources told ESPN.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17159416/ryan-fitzpatrick-new-york-jets-agree-1-year-deal-worth-12-million

Good for the Jets.  It's about time.  They will be in the same boat next year though unless Geno or Hackenburg end up getting playing time and shining this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 28, 2016, 09:14:12 AM
Quote
The New York Jets and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick ended their five-month contract dispute Wednesday. The two sides finalized a one-year, $12 million contract on the eve of the team's first training camp practice, sources told ESPN.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17159416/ryan-fitzpatrick-new-york-jets-agree-1-year-deal-worth-12-million

Oh thank god!!! The Jets now have their starter at the game's most important position one day before training camp starts. This should improve their odds for the season especially with Brady's four game suspension.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
Jets had to do it. No point in having all of those skill position players (Marshall, Decker, Forte) if you are going to roll out of a bum at QB.  Fitzpatrick is no stud, but he is good enough for them to contend for a playoff spot with.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on July 31, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
One week till the first (fake) game of the season.  Still six weeks till the real games begin. :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on July 31, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on July 31, 2016, 08:39:53 AM
That feeling you get when it's finally week 1 reminds me of being a kid on Christmas day  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 01, 2016, 12:51:06 AM
One week till the first (fake) game of the season.  Still six weeks till the real games begin. :metal

Normally I really don't care about the preseason games too much.  This year is completely different!!  I would not be shocked if the coliseum is stuffed for the preseason week 1 opener against Dallas.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 01, 2016, 04:31:45 AM
One week till the first (fake) game of the season.  Still six weeks till the real games begin. :metal

Normally I really don't care about the preseason games too much.  This year is completely different!!  I would not be shocked if the coliseum is stuffed for the preseason week 1 opener against Dallas.

I felt the exact same way about the 1996 preseason. Was elated to see NFL football (back) in Baltimore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
I never get tired of watching this play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJMU2n5sC8

 :biggrin: :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on August 02, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
I never get tired of watching this play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJMU2n5sC8

 :biggrin: :metal

The way that defense punched Carolina in the mouth will never get old to me…
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 07, 2016, 05:39:02 PM
The Hall of Fame game has been cancelled due to unsafe field conditions.  We can blame this on Goodell, right?  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2016, 05:42:16 PM
The Hall of Fame game has been cancelled due to unsafe field conditions.  We can blame this on Goodell, right?  :lol

Why not?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 07, 2016, 05:45:48 PM
The Hall of Fame game has been cancelled due to unsafe field conditions.  We can blame this on Goodell, right?  :lol

Yes but let's blame the 32 owners as well. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 07, 2016, 06:21:39 PM
You blame the dopes that run the stadium for mucking the thing up. Then you blame Troy Vincent for having to cancel the game hours before it started. League operations should have known there was an issue before today and should have made sure it was resolved. I'd bet the NFL could have the entire surface ripped up and replaced on 18 hours notice.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 07, 2016, 06:28:23 PM
You'd think they'd test the new field paint before the first pre season game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 07, 2016, 06:30:37 PM
Not the first preseason game to be cancelled due to poor field conditions, but yeah, a multi-billion dollar industry should be able to do much better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 07, 2016, 06:34:26 PM
Everyone's all mad now they have to wait till Thursday now to have their NFL football fix begin. What hasn't been delayed this year?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2016, 11:47:28 AM
Yeah, that sucked about the game last night.

Looking forward to the Panthers first pre-season game Thursday night.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 08, 2016, 11:50:53 AM


Looking forward to the Panthers first pre-season game Thursday night.

Me too!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 09, 2016, 01:46:24 AM
Yeah, that sucked about the game last night.

Looking forward to the Panthers first pre-season game Thursday night.

One of my highlights I have marked this season is Panthers vs. Rams at the Coliseum.   :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 09, 2016, 11:23:07 AM
Yeah, that sucked about the game last night.

Looking forward to the Panthers first pre-season game Thursday night.

One of my highlights I have marked this season is Panthers vs. Rams at the Coliseum.   :metal
:metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 09, 2016, 07:58:43 PM
What comes to mind when you see this man?


(https://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/J-Rice.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 09, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
The GOAT.

Imagine if he played nowadays with the passing numbers teams put up.  He would have a realistic shot at 2,500 yards and 25 touchdowns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 09, 2016, 08:23:38 PM
Clutch.  When you needed that catch, that 8 yards that touchdown, he did it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on August 09, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Just as Kev said: GOAT.

Everything from his gameday performances, to his practice habits, to his training regimens are legendary.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 10, 2016, 01:51:22 AM
Being a hard core Rams fan and a Niner hater...I still can't deny the greatness of Montana and Rice.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 10, 2016, 06:21:32 AM
GOAT. There's never been a player at any position better than Jerry Rice.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 10, 2016, 06:37:09 AM
Anyone watching Hard Knocks? I missed last night's episode, but apparently Jeff Fisher has been very entertaining. I'm going to try to watch it tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on August 10, 2016, 07:16:56 AM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 10, 2016, 07:32:47 AM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P

Who would have thought?!?!  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 10, 2016, 07:34:13 AM
Anyone watching Hard Knocks? I missed last night's episode, but apparently Jeff Fisher has been very entertaining. I'm going to try to watch it tonight.
Not yet.  I watch it every year, but didn't get time to watch the premiere.  I will catch it tonight or tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 10, 2016, 05:40:21 PM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P

Those coaches, scouts and coordinators are wrong a lot, as shown by how often they miss when it comes to the draft every year.  This is just another example of them being wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 11, 2016, 01:00:18 AM
I beg your indulgence, I know I'm the only Rams fan here.. but.....  I finally got my Season Tickets today, and it helped hammer down the reality of this historical moment for us Rams Fans.  Less than 3 days from our first game at the Coliseum.  The Return of my beloved Rams....

I never thought I'd actually see this day come.  I may have always fantasized about my team returning, but my rational minds told me it probably wasn't in the cards.

Back in the early 80's by the time I was an adult, able to pay for game tickets, the Rams had moved down to Anaheim.  I never had, nor could afford season tickets back then, but made it to at least a few games a year.  My Dad, now 80, had season tickets back in the early 1950's.  He went to the '51 Championship game against the Browns.  Coincidentally, through a unique set of circumstances, I was able to go to the Super Bowl game in Atlanta in Jan 2000.  It's quite the coincidence... the two of us seeing the 2 Championships.  Both of them being won on 73 yd TD passes....49 years apart.

Now... beyond all hope, and dreams,   My Rams return, to their original home, the Coliseum.  Even though it's only a weigh station for the next 3 years, it's still so fitting.  I don't give a rats ass if the concrete is crumbling from the decrepit bones of the Coliseum.  Or that my seats are up in the stratosphere.  All I care about is my football life...is now complete.  Whatever comes with the future, new stadium, wins/championships/losses, doesn't matter.  What does matter, is my team is home. 

By the Way!!  Check out Hard Knocks!!!!!  Last night's first episode was awesome!



My SB story....  My sister in law at the time worked in a bank in Nashville.  Her bank did a lot of the Titans banking.  When the Rams lost to the Titans in week 7 of 1999, she called me and told me that if we both made it to the SB, she would hook me up.  True to her word, as soon as we got by the Bucs she called me and told me to book my flight!


About 2 mins after the "Tackle"


(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/File0003.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/File0003.jpg.html)



My Sister in law... (even though I'm now divorced from her sister...this woman is still at the top of my list as far as "Most Spectacular Women in the World"

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/File0002-1.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/File0002-1.jpg.html)




Some pics from the game....  (mind the actual printed 4x6 photos amongst the newspaper clippings)



(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/File0005.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/File0005.jpg.html)

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/File0004.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/File0004.jpg.html)

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/File0009.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/File0009.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 11, 2016, 05:18:09 AM
*INCREDIBLE POST*

I'm so happy that you got your team back. Enjoy the game on Saturday night, and the seasons to come.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 11, 2016, 05:26:17 AM
In honor of the Rams going back to L.A...... here's one of the biggest up and coming talents in the league.

(https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/ADonald-top-inside_640.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2016, 06:46:12 AM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P

Those coaches, scouts and coordinators are wrong a lot, as shown by how often they miss when it comes to the draft every year.  This is just another example of them being wrong.

 :lol of course....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2016, 07:17:13 AM
I find it interesting that two different people yesterday have both asked me "wait, the rams are in LA?!"
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 11, 2016, 07:21:57 AM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P

Those coaches, scouts and coordinators are wrong a lot, as shown by how often they miss when it comes to the draft every year.  This is just another example of them being wrong.

 :lol of course....

The top two right this second are clearly Rodgers and Brady. I don't think there is a dispute.

The #3 could be a number of dudes, and Big Ben is certainly in the conversation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2016, 07:51:27 AM
Yeah, I just find it funny because I had this debate in this thread and said Ben was number 3. I was told by several people that was ridiculous, that's all.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on August 11, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Yeah, I just find it funny because I had this debate in this thread and said Ben was number 3. I was told by several people that was ridiculous, that's all.  :lol
I think there are at least 3 guys who could fit into that slot, and Ben is one of them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on August 11, 2016, 09:20:27 AM
Argue about Ben all you want, what's glaring to me (and correct, if you ask me) is who's NOT there.  These are coordinators, therefore people tasked with STOPPING them, and so presumably they've either explicitly or implicitly listed them in order of who is toughest to stop, and Cam Newton isn't there.  Boom. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 11, 2016, 09:22:58 AM
Thanks Doc!!

In honor of the Rams going back to L.A...... here's one of the biggest up and coming talents in the league.

(https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/ADonald-top-inside_640.jpg)

You are correct Doc!   He's an absolute BEAST!  If Quinn is fully recovered from his back troubles of last year...look out!  Can't double up on everyone!  :tup

I went to Training camp last week, got a couple good shots of Aaron...



(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/DSC_0034_zps45wx3pkv.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/DSC_0034_zps45wx3pkv.jpg.html)



Here Tavon Austin did a slant across the middle right into Aarons arms.  Donald picked him up like a feather and did a fake "Im gonna body slam your ass" move.  Everyone laughed their ass off.

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/DSC_0379_zpsxho8srcg.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/DSC_0379_zpsxho8srcg.jpg.html)



Couple other camp pics

Tavon...

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/DSC_0350_zpsnxtfj3vl.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/DSC_0350_zpsnxtfj3vl.jpg.html)


Goff

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/DSC_0064_zps6vt2sewu.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/DSC_0064_zps6vt2sewu.jpg.html)


Gurley

(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/sideways77/DSC_0206_zpsrahptora.jpg) (https://s14.photobucket.com/user/sideways77/media/DSC_0206_zpsrahptora.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 11, 2016, 09:31:24 AM
Awesome pics. Tavon Austin is a Baltimore guy, so I want to see him do well. Fortunately for him, he didn't wind up in Donald's grasp during an actual game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2016, 09:33:19 AM
Some sweet pics
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 11, 2016, 01:25:32 PM
Steelers offense continues to weaken:

https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000683334/article/headaches-not-ankle-injury-sidelining-ladarius-green

Man, on paper, this offense should have been so good going into the season... Now Bryant is out the whole year, Bell the first 4, and Green, their big pick-up might retire?! Yikes
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on August 11, 2016, 02:20:29 PM
First preseason game of the season for my team is tonight, fantasy draft on Monday.... so happy football season is back :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 11, 2016, 03:51:26 PM
FOOTBALL   :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 11, 2016, 07:15:56 PM
Argue about Ben all you want, what's glaring to me (and correct, if you ask me) is who's NOT there.  These are coordinators, therefore people tasked with STOPPING them, and so presumably they've either explicitly or implicitly listed them in order of who is toughest to stop, and Cam Newton isn't there.  Boom.

I can understand not putting Newton in there yet, since he has only been elite for one year.

However, not having Wilson and Brees in the top tier is nonsense.  Brees has been part of the 4-man top tier for like 7-8 years prior to this and was still great last year; no reason to drop him down a tier yet.  I think Wilson gets knocked down a bit by some who think their defense carries him, but that is pure silliness. The guy passes the eye test and puts up great passing numbers (per attempt) every year despite never having anything close to a top WR.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 12, 2016, 07:49:28 AM
Coach Fisher on Hard Knocks:

Quote
""Little things are important, you follow me?" Fisher said. "I am not f---ing going 7-9 or 8-8 or 9-7, OK? Or 10-6 for that matter. This team is too talented. I am not going to settle for that, OK? I know what I am doing. We had some 7-9 bulls--- this morning. Now, Deon's gone. That is 7-9 bulls---. We don't need it."

You're right coach...you're not going 7-9.

You're going 6-10  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 12, 2016, 10:24:34 AM
May as well finish up the NFC West....


(https://www.redletterchristians.org/wp-content/uploads/Richard-Sherman.jpg)

(https://nbcsports1060.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Patrick-Peterson-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 12, 2016, 12:35:53 PM
Panthers starters looked pretty good last night.  All I can ask for.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 13, 2016, 06:16:18 AM
Coach Fisher on Hard Knocks:

Quote
""Little things are important, you follow me?" Fisher said. "I am not f---ing going 7-9 or 8-8 or 9-7, OK? Or 10-6 for that matter. This team is too talented. I am not going to settle for that, OK? I know what I am doing. We had some 7-9 bulls--- this morning. Now, Deon's gone. That is 7-9 bulls---. We don't need it."

You're right coach...you're not going 7-9.

You're going 6-10  :biggrin:

In 21 seasons as an NFL head coach, Fisher has had an above .500 record a mere six times.

Meanwhile, he has 10 seasons with either 7 or 8 wins.  If that doesn't define average, I don't know what does. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 13, 2016, 06:37:55 AM
He irks me as well.   Always bitching about rule changes in those rules committees.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 13, 2016, 09:29:49 AM
Cut him slack. A rule change could mean he goes 8-8 instead of 7-9.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 13, 2016, 09:30:56 AM
Screw his mediocrity! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 13, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
So Tyrod Taylor got a 6 year, 92 million dollar extension. I loved him during his four seasons in Baltimore. So glad that he got his chance. And I wish him the best of luck, except in week 1, of course!

(https://www.baltimoreravens.com/assets/images/imported/BAL/news-articles/2016/01-January/03/28_TyrodOnRavens_news.jpg)
(https://www.nationalfootballpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/USATSI_8757758_154617978_lowres-1200x800.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 14, 2016, 01:37:37 PM
A year ago today, DOC asked this:

Who are the top 10 QBs in the league right this second, and which of them are "Elite"?

So hey, let's do the same thing this year.  I will bold the elite ones.

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Wilson
4. Brees

5. Newton
6. Roethlisberger
7. Rivers
8. Palmer
9. E. Manning
10. Dalton

I think Dalton finally earned his way into the top 10 last year; a shame he got hurt so late in the season.

Palmer is somewhat of a product of the system, but it's hard to deny how well he plays in it, most of the time (he was not good in either playoff game).

Rivers seems doomed to forever be the really good QB stuck on a team in disarray around him.

Newton needs to have another elite season before I can call him elite; I think he will.

Romo and Luck both missed way too much time last year to stay in the top 10. Luck will get back there this year I think, but Romo I'm not sure.  I could see Dak Prescott taking over the next time Romo gets hurt and never looking back.

Regarding Tyrod Taylor, mentioned in DOC's post above this one, I think he's the real deal, so it was cool to see the Bills take care of him.

Bortles is a guy I could see in the top 10 very soon.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 15, 2016, 04:44:00 AM
For me:

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees

4. Roethlisberger
5. Luck
6. Rivers
7. Newton
8. Wilson
9. Palmer
10. Dalton


Taylor,Bortles, Cousins and Winston are a ways from cracking this list but could with their current trajectory.. and of course, Romo, Flacco and Manning are capable of jumping right back into it.

Edit: @Kev.... Dak did look very impressive in his debut the other night. He might just be the future of the Cowboys...we shall see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 15, 2016, 06:18:36 AM
Luck still at 5 after last year (not playing well before getting hurt)?  Interesting.

Wilson all the way down at 8 just looks goofy to me. :P

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on August 15, 2016, 07:29:26 AM
Why is Rivers even on that list?  I think Newton is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL, and even HE'S better than Phillip Rivers.   How many times have they been close, oh so close, and Rivers does something stupid, then the camera is on him on the sideline and he's pouting and yelling at one of his teammates for who knows what?   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2016, 07:37:24 AM
Why is Rivers even on that list?  I think Newton is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL, and even HE'S better than Phillip Rivers.   How many times have they been close, oh so close, and Rivers does something stupid, then the camera is on him on the sideline and he's pouting and yelling at one of his teammates for who knows what?

Remove Rivers and insert Manning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 15, 2016, 08:02:43 AM
Luck still at 5 after last year (not playing well before getting hurt)?  Interesting.

Wilson all the way down at 8 just looks goofy to me. :P

Lucks 2015 campaign being what it was is the only thing keeping me from bolding his name.  He's incredible. Let's see any QB do better with what he had around him.

Wilson is getting much better but needs to show more consistency to leapfrog the guys ahead of him imo.


Why is Rivers even on that list?  I think Newton is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL, and even HE'S better than Phillip Rivers.   How many times have they been close, oh so close, and Rivers does something stupid, then the camera is on him on the sideline and he's pouting and yelling at one of his teammates for who knows what?   

I can't think of one time where Rivers blew a game, other than in cases where he has to overextend himself to make up for the terrible team around him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 15, 2016, 05:38:41 PM
Luck has everything you want in a QB, which is why so many drool over him, but he has still yet to put it all together in the NFL.  I know he was banged up last year even when he was playing, but he threw some INTs that were Dilfer-like, even when he had time to throw, that made you think, "What in the hell was he doing?"

And yeah, Rivers is great.  If anything, he is underrated.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Snow Dog on August 15, 2016, 07:31:18 PM

I can't think of one time where Rivers blew a game, other than in cases where he has to overextend himself to make up for the terrible team around him.

This game came immediately to mind (and you may qualify it as one where he had to overextend himself, but I'd argue they were still up 24-0 at the half):

https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000080962/article/denver-broncos-pull-off-shocking-comeback-vs-san-diego-chargers

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Manning threw three touchdown passes in the second half and Tony Carter and Chris Harris scored off turnovers by Philip Rivers as the Broncos overcame a 24-0 halftime deficit to shock the San Diego Chargers 35-24 on Monday night.

...

Rivers was intercepted four times -- three in the fourth quarter -- and lost two fumbles. The four pickoffs and six turnovers were both career-highs.

But this is just the only example I can think of.  Even though I think Rivers is, as one person so eloquently put it on another forum, a "beady-eyed shitbag," his talent is undeniable.  I can't let my extreme dislike of his tendency to blame anyone but himself bias my views against his pretty decent numbers overall, and I also have to admit that Rivers arguably belongs in a top 10 current QBs list
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 15, 2016, 08:18:12 PM
Rivers is a good example of how some put too much stock into wins and losses.  By just about any individual measure, he has actually been the 5th best QB of the last 10 years (behind Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees), but because he hasn't had a lot of team success in the playoffs, he gets dismissed by many.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 16, 2016, 07:12:59 AM
Rivers is a good example of how some put too much stock into wins and losses.  By just about any individual measure, he has actually been the 5th best QB of the last 10 years (behind Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees), but because he hasn't had a lot of team success in the playoffs, he gets dismissed by many.

Eh, I think we've had this conversation before, while winning certainly isn't the main measure of how great a player is, for me, it's a big one. I get that a great quarterback could have awesome stats and be really good but be on a crap team and never win anything, but to me whether a player is a winner (especially of championships) or not makes a different when evaluating that player.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 16, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
Rivers is a good example of how some put too much stock into wins and losses.  By just about any individual measure, he has actually been the 5th best QB of the last 10 years (behind Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees), but because he hasn't had a lot of team success in the playoffs, he gets dismissed by many.
I tend to agree.  Rivers tends to get shortchanged because San Diego has never assembled a great team around him the way that other teams have around their QBs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 16, 2016, 05:47:36 PM
Rivers is a good example of how some put too much stock into wins and losses.  By just about any individual measure, he has actually been the 5th best QB of the last 10 years (behind Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees), but because he hasn't had a lot of team success in the playoffs, he gets dismissed by many.

Eh, I think we've had this conversation before, while winning certainly isn't the main measure of how great a player is, for me, it's a big one. I get that a great quarterback could have awesome stats and be really good but be on a crap team and never win anything, but to me whether a player is a winner (especially of championships) or not makes a different when evaluating that player.

I think wins and losses mean more over the long haul than the short haul when evaluating quarterbacks, and in Rivers' 10 seasons as a starter, the Chargers have won 92 games, which isn't elite, but he has rarely had a great team around him.  His lack of any real great playoff win hurts him more than anything.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 17, 2016, 06:39:51 AM
I think wins and losses mean more over the long haul than the short haul when evaluating quarterbacks, and in Rivers' 10 seasons as a starter, the Chargers have won 92 games, which isn't elite, but he has rarely had a great team around him.  His lack of any real great playoff win hurts him more than anything.

I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on August 17, 2016, 07:18:41 AM
Rivers is a good example of how some put too much stock into wins and losses.  By just about any individual measure, he has actually been the 5th best QB of the last 10 years (behind Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees), but because he hasn't had a lot of team success in the playoffs, he gets dismissed by many.
I tend to agree.  Rivers tends to get shortchanged because San Diego has never assembled a great team around him the way that other teams have around their QBs.

Not responding to you, specifically Hef, just using your post to continue the topic, but...

2004 to 2009 he had arguably the best running back in the league with him, and a reasonably strong defense.  The farthest they got was the AFC Championship Game, once.    I think there's a lot of excuses being made here.   Eli Manning has had shit around him for the most part and he has two rings.   And as for wins, what's a better measure?  It's not like Rivers is throwing for 5,000 yards and 40 TDs a season, like Peyton was before he sealed his legacy last year.

If you're not winning Championships, I'm not sure what the point is.   That just makes you Dallas.  ;) 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 17, 2016, 09:39:50 AM
Wins is a team stat, not an individual one.

If wins is the best measure, then Alex Smith last year was better than Rodgers, Wilson and Roethlisberger.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 17, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
How in the hell does Jerry Jones warrant a HOF nomination? His biggest accomplishment as an owner was undermining the revenue sharing model. The three Superb Owl wins might warrant consideration, except that by promptly undoing the whole thing he demonstrated how bad he was. Sadly, since he runs the league, he'll get in anyway. But this is yet another reason why the NFL is a joke.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on August 17, 2016, 09:44:01 AM
Wins is a team stat, not an individual one.

If wins is the best measure, then Alex Smith last year was better than Rodgers, Wilson and Roethlisberger.

I think like you mentioned above, wins and losses over a larger sample size (career instead of season) is probably a better indicator.

Also - serious question, if the quarterback is the most important member of the team how much expectation is there for that player to raise the level of the guys around him? Like I said before, it shouldn't be the only thing factored into rating or ranking, but wins and championships certainly should be A factor.

If you're not winning Championships, I'm not sure what the point is.   That just makes you Dallas.  ;) 

Exactly this.
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Post by: Stadler on August 17, 2016, 09:52:13 AM
Wins is a team stat, not an individual one.

If wins is the best measure, then Alex Smith last year was better than Rodgers, Wilson and Roethlisberger.

Well, obviously, it's a PATTERN of winning as opposed to any specific time block.  That one season is offset by what, 10 (less for Wilson) other seasons that Rodgers and Roethlisberger have outwon Alex Smith.   Rivers has 12 years of non-winning to compare to, and not every season was with a shit team.   
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Post by: KevShmev on August 17, 2016, 10:06:30 AM
Non-winning. Rivers has a record of 92-68 as a starter, which includes seasons of 14,13 and 11 wins. That's not winning?
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Post by: Stadler on August 17, 2016, 10:42:59 AM
Non-winning. Rivers has a record of 92-68 as a starter, which includes seasons of 14,13 and 11 wins. That's not winning?

Not when his season ends in December every year.  He's 4-5 in the playoffs (1-4 if you take out the one year they went to the AFC Championship game) with 11TDs versus 9 INTs and a rating of about 85. 

Look, a lot of this is opinion.  If I'm a GM, and I can pick any QB to be the "basis" of my team, I've got 15 guys that I take before him if my goal is "Super Bowl".
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Post by: El Barto on August 17, 2016, 10:44:32 AM
Non-winning. Rivers has a record of 92-68 as a starter, which includes seasons of 14,13 and 11 wins. That's not winning?

Not when his season ends in December every year.  He's 4-5 in the playoffs (1-4 if you take out the one year they went to the AFC Championship game) with 11TDs versus 9 INTs and a rating of about 85. 

Look, a lot of this is opinion.  If I'm a GM, and I can pick any QB to be the "basis" of my team, I've got 15 guys that I take before him if my goal is "Super Bowl".
I'd be real interested in seeing that list.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
15 is a bit much, but 10 seems like a good number
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Post by: mikeyd23 on August 17, 2016, 11:13:17 AM
Yeah 10 seems like a good number to me as well.
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Post by: KevShmev on August 17, 2016, 11:52:24 AM
I'd love to see that list, too.

Also, regarding Rivers and the playoffs, you could argue that if that Charger DB who picked off Brady in the divisional round in 2006 doesn't allow it to be stripped, the Chargers go on to the win the Super Bowl (they were a bad matchup for Indy, whom they would have played the following week, and then got the Bears in the SB).

Also, they lost 17-14 to the Jets in 2010 when the SD kicker missed three FGs. Was that Rivers' fault?

Change any of those plays and his playoff record might look very different.  Not everyone is as fortunate as Brady to play for a coach who is so good that you are guaranteed a great shot at winning it all every year no matter what. Contrast that to Rivers, who for the majority of his time as a starter had as his head coach, Norv Turner (great OC, mediocre head coach).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 17, 2016, 11:58:30 AM
I'd love to see that list, too.

Also, regarding Rivers and the playoffs, you could argue that if that Charger DB who picked off Brady in the divisional round in 2006 doesn't allow it to be stripped, the Chargers go on to the win the Super Bowl (they were a bad matchup for Indy, whom they would have played the following week, and then got the Bears in the SB).

Also, they lost 17-14 to the Jets in 2010 when the SD kicker missed three FGs. Is that Rivers' fault?

Change any of those plays and his playoff record might look very different.  Not everyone is as fortunate as Brady to play for a coach who is so good that you are guaranteed a great shot at winning it all every year no matter what.

I agree with all of this.

Brady has been fortunate. His first 3 rings are pretty much thanks to the defense and kicker (honorable mention to Donovan McNabb's terrible clock management skills). And despite his greatness, that 4th ring was handed thrown to them after one of the most bizarre play selections in SB history.

Brady is elite... but he has also been extremely fortunate, as Kev pointed out above.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 17, 2016, 12:03:23 PM
I'd love to see that list, too.

For kicks, here's my list of guys I would take over Rivers (not in order):
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
Brady
Ryan
Luck
Wilson
Newton
Flacco
Smith
Palmer
Eli Manning
Stafford
Bradford
Dalton
Carr

That would put him at 17th.  I don't really care to defend each of those choices, but if I'm building a team, I take any of those 16 over Rivers.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2016, 12:22:20 PM
To keep it honest, the original stipulation was "super bowl" not "building a team" if it were to build a team, then that increases the number greatly as I'd look at some of the younger QBs that aren't proven yet but have shown they could be really good.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 17, 2016, 02:05:53 PM
I'd love to see that list, too.

For kicks, here's my list of guys I would take over Rivers (not in order):
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
Brady
Ryan
Luck
Wilson
Newton
Flacco
Smith
Palmer
Eli Manning
Stafford
Bradford
Dalton
Carr

That would put him at 17th.  I don't really care to defend each of those choices, but if I'm building a team, I take any of those 16 over Rivers.

Dude, no offense but your list lost all credibility when you included Bradford. You could argue everyone else, but Bradford? No way.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 17, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
Kev, and DOC.  To get to 4 rings you have to have that balance of great QB, great coach.

That also works with offense and defense.  Though a great defense like a 2000 Baltimore and last year with Denver can get you a ring.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: bosk1 on August 17, 2016, 03:14:09 PM
Dude, no offense but your list lost all credibility when you included Bradford. You could argue everyone else, but Bradford? No way.

Fair enough.  He was definitely my weakest link and the one I most debated about including.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 17, 2016, 03:23:11 PM
Dude.

Dude.


Dude.



Dude.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on August 17, 2016, 03:24:43 PM
Brady
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Brees
Luck
Wilson
Manning
Flacco
Ryan
Palmer
Dalton
Carr
Garoppalo
Mariotta
Smith
Orlovsky

Yes, Orlovsky is a journeyman backup who went to UConn, my alma mater.  It's a joke, peeps.  Yes, I'm straining credibility with putting a back up on the list and keeping Newton off.  I don't like Newton's attitude.  I don't think it's "just having fun! playing a game!"   I thought he folded because - in part - of his attitude.  He doesn't respect the game, and doesn't know what it takes to be a winner year in, year out, for a decade in the NFL.    You all can say Brady is "fortunate", and I suppose in one sense that's true.  But you're saying "what if" for ONE game for ONE season.  Brady is ALWAYS IN THE MIX.   If it wasn't Manning handing Newton a lesson last year, it would have been Brady.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 17, 2016, 07:03:38 PM


Brady has been fortunate. His first 3 rings are pretty much thanks to the defense and kicker (honorable mention to Donovan McNabb's terrible clock management skills). And despite his greatness, that 4th ring was handed thrown to them after one of the most bizarre play selections in SB history.

Brady is elite... but he has also been extremely fortunate, as Kev pointed out above.

Back at the time, I say Brady was like Aikman: a very good QB who was winning Super Bowls on great all-around teams.

As great as Brady is, he really wasn't considered an elite QB by the masses (see: not Patriots fans) until 2004 or maybe even 2005; heck, he never even finished top 5 in passer rating until 2007.  It's easy to look at his four rings and say he was elite for all four, but he wasn't.  Two at the most. 

That said, he's still 1a or 1b on the all-time list, IMO (along with Peyton), because, again, I look at a QB's overall play from start to finish, instead of taking the lazy, meathead approach of just looking at rings. ;)

Kev, and DOC.  To get to 4 rings you have to have that balance of great QB, great coach.

*cough* Terry Bradshaw *cough*

:P

  I don't like Newton's attitude.  I don't think it's "just having fun! playing a game!"   I thought he folded because - in part - of his attitude.  He doesn't respect the game, and doesn't know what it takes to be a winner year in, year out, for a decade in the NFL.   

That remains to be seen, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him crumble the minute things don't go right, like he did last February, from cowering away from that loose ball to acting like a sore loser after the game.  However, he is still the reigning league MVP and deserves to be mentioned, if not in the first tier, but high up in the second.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 17, 2016, 07:33:25 PM
*Cough* no free agency. *cough*
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 18, 2016, 04:35:55 AM
I'd love to see that list, too.

Also, regarding Rivers and the playoffs, you could argue that if that Charger DB who picked off Brady in the divisional round in 2006 doesn't allow it to be stripped, the Chargers go on to the win the Super Bowl (they were a bad matchup for Indy, whom they would have played the following week, and then got the Bears in the SB).

Also, they lost 17-14 to the Jets in 2010 when the SD kicker missed three FGs. Is that Rivers' fault?

Change any of those plays and his playoff record might look very different.  Not everyone is as fortunate as Brady to play for a coach who is so good that you are guaranteed a great shot at winning it all every year no matter what.

I agree with all of this.

Brady has been fortunate. His first 3 rings are pretty much thanks to the defense and kicker (honorable mention to Donovan McNabb's terrible clock management skills). And despite his greatness, that 4th ring was handed thrown to them after one of the most bizarre play selections in SB history.

Brady is elite... but he has also been extremely fortunate, as Kev pointed out above.

All of this. You can be as good as you want but in one game elimination scenarios, one good or bad bounce may be the only thing separating the winner from the loser. For example, back in the 2012 NFC Championship (before SB46) the Giants and the 49ers were playing a very close game. In overtime, SF's punt returner fumbled the catch, the Giants recovered in field goal range, and went on to win the Super Bowl while the 49ers went home. It only took one mistake from one guy to cost an entire team (a team that went 13-3 and earned a first round bye) a playoff game.

Another thing that needs to be taken into account when judging a player is the state of the team before they were there. The Chargers were terrible before Rivers got there and with him they have been a consistent playoff contender. He makes the team better.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2016, 06:38:27 AM
All of this. You can be as good as you want but in one game elimination scenarios, one good or bad bounce may be the only thing separating the winner from the loser. For example, back in the 2012 NFC Championship (before SB46) the Giants and the 49ers were playing a very close game. In overtime, SF's punt returner fumbled the catch, the Giants recovered in field goal range, and went on to win the Super Bowl while the 49ers went home. It only took one mistake from one guy to cost an entire team (a team that went 13-3 and earned a first round bye) a playoff game.

ahhh such good memories!
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Post by: Stadler on August 18, 2016, 07:30:33 AM
Back at the time, I say Brady was like Aikman: a very good QB who was winning Super Bowls on great all-around teams.

As great as Brady is, he really wasn't considered an elite QB by the masses (see: not Patriots fans) until 2004 or maybe even 2005; heck, he never even finished top 5 in passer rating until 2007.  It's easy to look at his four rings and say he was elite for all four, but he wasn't.  Two at the most. 

That said, he's still 1a or 1b on the all-time list, IMO (along with Peyton), because, again, I look at a QB's overall play from start to finish, instead of taking the lazy, meathead approach of just looking at rings. ;)

Respectfully, I'm not letting this go, because I respectfully don't think some of you are looking at the big picture.   Yeah, Giant recovery, 49ers, blah blah blah, but "THE CATCH".   Or Sean Landeta getting the ball blown off his boot in Chicago.  Brady, luck, but David Tyree.   The point is, Brady is ALWAYS THERE to take advantage of these situations.   Phil Rivers is watching these events from his man cave.

There's even an expression for this:  "Any Given Sunday".    You've got to look at the total body of work.   Brady:  played in six Super Bowls, and has excellent numbers in the biggest game in the league.  Phillip Rivers:  I think his buddy got him tix to see... hell I can't even make that joke because the Super Bowl hasn't been played in San Diego since 2003, before he was drafted.  :)

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*cough* Terry Bradshaw *cough*

Actually, I put him in the top ten all time.  He did what he had to do to win, in a time where there wasn't huge contracts, there wasn't "QB ratings" and no one talked about "elite QBs".  There weren't punks like Geno Smith around, whining about "adversity" and why they need even MORE of an opportunity to "vindicate themselves".  He played hard-nosed, winning football. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 18, 2016, 07:37:14 AM
Chiming in to say that Aikman is way underrated.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on August 20, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
Chiming in on the Al Jazeera thing. Anyone who thinks most NFL linemen/linebackers don't use some form of PEDs is extremely naive. You remember Alan Faneca, the perennial all-pro 300-lb guard for the Steelers and Jets? He weighs like 180 now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 20, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Back at the time, I say Brady was like Aikman: a very good QB who was winning Super Bowls on great all-around teams.

As great as Brady is, he really wasn't considered an elite QB by the masses (see: not Patriots fans) until 2004 or maybe even 2005; heck, he never even finished top 5 in passer rating until 2007.  It's easy to look at his four rings and say he was elite for all four, but he wasn't.  Two at the most. 

That said, he's still 1a or 1b on the all-time list, IMO (along with Peyton), because, again, I look at a QB's overall play from start to finish, instead of taking the lazy, meathead approach of just looking at rings. ;)

Respectfully, I'm not letting this go, because I respectfully don't think some of you are looking at the big picture.   Yeah, Giant recovery, 49ers, blah blah blah, but "THE CATCH".   Or Sean Landeta getting the ball blown off his boot in Chicago.  Brady, luck, but David Tyree.   The point is, Brady is ALWAYS THERE to take advantage of these situations.   Phil Rivers is watching these events from his man cave.

There's even an expression for this:  "Any Given Sunday".    You've got to look at the total body of work.   Brady:  played in six Super Bowls, and has excellent numbers in the biggest game in the league.  Phillip Rivers:  I think his buddy got him tix to see... hell I can't even make that joke because the Super Bowl hasn't been played in San Diego since 2003, before he was drafted.  :)

I don't think anyone is not giving Brady his due; I often say he and Peyton are 1a and 1b on my all-time list now.  But it's absurd to act like that he hasn't had a huge edge in coaching over his peers (not just in having Belichick, but never having to play against a Belichick defense).  Of the guys frequently mentioned in the top 7-8, I think only Joe Montana and Dan Marino come close to having had head coaches comparable to who Brady has had.

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*cough* Terry Bradshaw *cough*

Actually, I put him in the top ten all time.  He did what he had to do to win, in a time where there wasn't huge contracts, there wasn't "QB ratings" and no one talked about "elite QBs".  There weren't punks like Geno Smith around, whining about "adversity" and why they need even MORE of an opportunity to "vindicate themselves".  He played hard-nosed, winning football.

He was able to play winning football because he was surrounded by more Hall of Fame talent than any other QB in history, on both sides of the ball, plus one of the top coaches ever (Noll is up there with Lombardi, Belichick, Walsh and Shula).  To me, he is similar to Aikman in that they were both very good QBs who were fortunate to be on teams stacked from top to bottom, enabling them to win the rings they did.  Put either on a team with average NFL talent and neither would have sniffed a ring ever.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 20, 2016, 06:45:04 PM
Wow the Giants look like shit in these first two preseason games.  Granted it's preseason, but it would be nice to see something...  :angry:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
I think Eli is still sad about Peyton having as many rings as him again...

(https://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/eli-manning-zoom-3f6b5fbb-3029-4a8b-a200-71957f704c5b.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on August 22, 2016, 07:34:35 AM
Chiming in on the Al Jazeera thing. Anyone who thinks most NFL linemen/linebackers don't use some form of PEDs is extremely naive. You remember Alan Faneca, the perennial all-pro 300-lb guard for the Steelers and Jets? He weighs like 180 now.

Jeff Saturday is always the guy I use here.  He was a 300lb center (actually, 295 was his listed playing weight, at 6'2") and now he's 235.  That's what I weigh, and I'm 5'8".   

Good for these guys, but even that 5 or 10 year period at 300+ can irreparably shorten their lives.   
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 22, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Panthers starting offense looks good after two preseason games, but of course, they are just preseason games.

Glad to see Kelvin Benjamin back and contributing after missing last season.

In his two series Saturday, Cam was 8-12 for 162 yards and 1 TD, with completions to 6 different receivers.  Also, all 3 of our QBs threw TD passes, which was fun to see.

Our defense should be good again, as well.  It will be interesting to see how our CBs do (2 rookies starting).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2016, 01:38:57 PM
As long as Newton doesn't have to dive for any fumbles, he should be fine.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on August 22, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
So it looks like due to more Patriots behavior, the NFL is having to change some rules again. I think it was last year they listed like 20-something players as "questionable" and every single one played, so they are changing the injury categories to prevent teams from doing this. I'm just SHOCKED that NE did that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 22, 2016, 03:48:32 PM
So it looks like due to more Patriots behavior, the NFL is having to change some rules again. I think it was last year they listed like 20-something players as "questionable" and every single one played, so they are changing the injury categories to prevent teams from doing this. I'm just SHOCKED that NE did that.
I'm just shocked that more coaches didn't have common sense to do the same thing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 22, 2016, 03:51:52 PM
So it looks like due to more Patriots behavior, the NFL is having to change some rules again. I think it was last year they listed like 20-something players as "questionable" and every single one played, so they are changing the injury categories to prevent teams from doing this. I'm just SHOCKED that NE did that.

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 22, 2016, 03:54:49 PM
After reading the article about the rules changes, I don't think it effects NE, and it doesn't seem to be a "Patriots" rule. They just did away with the probable notation, and state that if there's any question about a player's availability then he should be listed as questionable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on August 22, 2016, 05:09:28 PM
Yeah, "probable" is pretty worthless by its very nature.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 22, 2016, 06:29:28 PM
Trendsetters Bitches.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 22, 2016, 07:10:04 PM
  and it doesn't seem to be a "Patriots" rule. 

Actually, if it was a "Patriots" rule, the designation would've been changed to "More probable than not."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on August 23, 2016, 07:21:45 AM
So it looks like due to more Patriots behavior, the NFL is having to change some rules again. I think it was last year they listed like 20-something players as "questionable" and every single one played, so they are changing the injury categories to prevent teams from doing this. I'm just SHOCKED that NE did that.
I'm just shocked that more coaches didn't have common sense to do the same thing.

If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots "questionable" behavior (NOT) was a requirement from the league, because they had been doing exactly the opposite.   There were NO players on the list, so the league said something to the effect of "if your players are at all injured, you have to list them".    So don't blame the Pats; it's the league's rules. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2016, 07:30:59 AM
So it looks like due to more Patriots behavior, the NFL is having to change some rules again. I think it was last year they listed like 20-something players as "questionable" and every single one played, so they are changing the injury categories to prevent teams from doing this. I'm just SHOCKED that NE did that.
I'm just shocked that more coaches didn't have common sense to do the same thing.

If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots "questionable" behavior (NOT) was a requirement from the league, because they had been doing exactly the opposite.   There were NO players on the list, so the league said something to the effect of "if your players are at all injured, you have to list them".    So don't blame the Pats; it's the league's rules.

I honestly just don't think it ever really mattered to anyone.   I've always seen it as a joke that the Pats are doing to the league, not really to the teams since I think opposing coaches know better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 23, 2016, 07:41:27 AM
It's a way Bill gets to needle the league.  In the end it's part of the reason they are on the other 31 owners radar. 

A good example of the league continually tinkering pissing off coaches is that they move the kickoffs to the 35 to have more touchbacks to lower the concussion rate, then they new kick off rule this year contradicts all they are are proffesing about players and concussions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 23, 2016, 08:16:20 AM
Yeah, and now they start on the 25 YL after touchbacks.  Of course, if a player decides to run it out, it will take more effort to get to the 25 YL.  Therefore, increasing the possibility of a concussion.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 26, 2016, 09:55:34 AM
This week is the 3rd preseason game, which traditionally has more playing time for starters.

Panthers host the Patriots tonight.  Any thoughts, king?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 09:59:52 AM
Well I hear Brady will play a little. Sounds like the coach is appeasing him.  Jimmy G needs all the Reps since he is the starter for the 1st 4 games.

You won't see a lot of starters. Some held back like Gronk and a ton injured right now.

I want to see Jimmy against the best front 7 in the league.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 26, 2016, 10:09:07 AM
I want to see Jimmy against the best front 7 in the league.
You will.

I'm not sure how much of their "regular season" package they will display tonight, but they are all playing.

And frankly, we have a couple of other DLs and LBs that could start for a lot of other teams.  We like our depth particularly in those areas.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on August 26, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
This week is the 3rd preseason game, which traditionally has more playing time for starters.

Panthers host the Patriots tonight.  Any thoughts, king?

I'm offering a $100 bounty on taking out Brady's knees.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 11:56:30 AM
Bill, isn't 4 games enough? Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on August 26, 2016, 12:09:01 PM
Bill, isn't 4 games enough? Lol

If I never see that goat hugging monster on the field again it won't be soon enough :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 12:10:52 PM
 :lol

A lot of talk on Boston sports talk radio about why Brady is playing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 26, 2016, 04:36:59 PM
I suspect Brady wants to get some game time reps in before he plays in October.

As for the Carolina front 7, it's gonna be fun seeing Josh Norman getting exposed in Washington now that he doesn't have front 7 to make him look better than he really is.  Don't get me wrong, he is a good corner, but one of the top ones in the NFL? I don't see it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 04:39:13 PM
If there is one QB that can get away with it, it is Tom. 
I also agree about Norman as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2016, 04:42:27 PM
Looks like Jimmy G is starting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 04:46:50 PM
He should. He needs reps against other teams #1 defenses.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 06:36:52 PM
Damn.  Brady looks so damn good.  Screw you NFL Offices.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 26, 2016, 07:00:22 PM
He shouldn't have been so uncooperative...:P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
He shouldn't have since the league in court said they had no goddamn evidence at all.  4 interviews of Brady and Jaskremski and McNally.  Guess that's not cooperating.   

Waits for the haters response.   Waits.....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2016, 07:34:25 PM
Do people actually call Cam Newton "Superman"?
That's fucking lame.

(Hef gets a pass on this ;D)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2016, 07:35:18 PM
He shouldn't have since the league in court said they had no goddamn evidence at all.  4 interviews of Brady and Jaskremski and McNally.  Guess that's not cooperating.   

Waits for the haters response.   Waits.....

Please don't tell me you have your Pats jersey on for a Pre Season game!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 07:35:51 PM
Just my G-String Tim.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
Just my G-String Tim.

As in Garoppolo?

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 26, 2016, 07:40:42 PM
Do people actually call Cam Newton "Superman"?
 

Not when he plays the Broncos in the Super Bowl.  :coolio :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 07:42:55 PM
 :lol

Jimmy G-String. Lol. Not looking good tonight. It's his vision of the field and press snap read that's the issue. We are spoiled seeing Brady do that.

Do people actually call Cam Newton "Superman"?
 

Not when he plays the Broncos in the Super Bowl.  :coolio :hat

That D Denver had was unreal. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
Jimmy G-String it is then! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 07:52:50 PM
You know, they had Pats G-Strings for sale at the stadium.   I bought one for the Queen.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/images%206_zpsadq9qkf6.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/images%206_zpsadq9qkf6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
TMI bro! :lol


Great pass by Brissett!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 26, 2016, 07:55:53 PM
I know.  I love geebing you. Lol. Yeah. Good to see the kid do well.  The screen was a could call with the blitz as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 27, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
Do people actually call Cam Newton "Superman"?
That's fucking lame.

(Hef gets a pass on this ;D)
No, I don't see people calling Newton Superman.

But he likes that character, and sometimes mimes the Clark Kent opening-the-shirt-to-reveal-the-"S" motion.

And of course, sometimes does things that seem superhuman.

But no, Carolina fans don't normally call him Superman.  But sometimes an idiot game announcer does.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2016, 07:41:41 AM
:lol

Jimmy G-String. Lol. Not looking good tonight. It's his vision of the field and press snap read that's the issue. We are spoiled seeing Brady do that.
 

(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9xRvnG9zXH1L_-leU31TOWaYKos=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5930053/von.0.gif)

 :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2016, 07:53:51 AM
No QB is perfect bub.   ;D

But some are damn close!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2016, 07:58:27 AM
Agreed. It's already weird knowing that football will be played this year without Peyton Manning (and, for that matter, Calvin Johnson), and it will be weird soon, too, when Brady is no longer playing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2016, 08:29:01 AM
The football cycle of life.  Hell, we are lucky Brady is still playing. He's a rare breed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2016, 08:32:43 AM
He is, and so was Peyton (remember that Peyton was starting in the NFL in 1998, while Brady didn't until 2001). 

So was Brett Favre, who I can't believe has been out of the league long enough now to be in the Hall of Fame.  I still maintain that Favre could have been the best QB ever had Holmgren never left GB (he was the one coach Favre had who could reel him in as far as turnovers go, while still letting him play the way he wanted to).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2016, 08:35:37 AM
It's obvious the leagues rules have helped but all three have a desire, the drive, the love for the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 27, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Sounds like Romo's gonna be out for a while with a broken bone in his back.

Dak time starts now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2016, 01:13:10 PM
Jesus.  He can't catch a break.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 27, 2016, 01:30:37 PM
Jesus.  He can't catch a break.


There's a joke there somewhere  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2016, 01:33:56 PM
There sure is! :rollin

But seriously,  I feel for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 27, 2016, 02:40:09 PM
Romo is done.  Dak Prescott has already shown that he has what it takes to be a good QB in this league.  The rest of the offense speaks for itself.  I don't think Romo will be missed on the field.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 27, 2016, 05:29:25 PM
Ben Watson just tore his achillies tendon :(
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2016, 06:18:45 PM
Damn.  I love Ben.  I hope a quick recovery for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 28, 2016, 06:59:02 AM
Ben Watson catching Champ Bailey and knocking him out of bounds at the 1 on his INT return in the 2005 divisional game is still one of the most incredible individual plays I've ever seen. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 28, 2016, 09:13:49 AM
Romo really needs to retire, at 36, and 2 broken back injuries.  It's time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 29, 2016, 08:44:50 AM
Dak Prescott has already shown that he has what it takes to be a good QB in this league.
Well, I don't know.  I mean, I know he has looked good in the preseason, but how much time has he gotten with the starters and going against starting defenses?

Besides, they are preseason games.  He isn't getting any defense's full package yet.

He's off to a good start, for sure.  But I certainly don't think the Cowboys are 100% confident in him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2016, 01:12:22 PM
Dak Prescott has already shown that he has what it takes to be a good QB in this league.
Well, I don't know.  I mean, I know he has looked good in the preseason, but how much time has he gotten with the starters and going against starting defenses?

Besides, they are preseason games.  He isn't getting any defense's full package yet.

He's off to a good start, for sure.  But I certainly don't think the Cowboys are 100% confident in him.

And yet I can totally see him scorching the Giants defense in the opener.  I would have rather played against Romo  :lol  The pessimism of the football season is beginning
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on August 29, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
From the Philly area... Eagles fans talking about their schedule like it'll be a cakewalk... lol.

Does this fanbase ever look in in the mirror?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2016, 01:39:01 PM
From the Philly area... Eagles fans talking about their schedule like it'll be a cakewalk... lol.

Does this fanbase ever look in in the mirror?

I think you know the answer to this
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 29, 2016, 02:08:22 PM
I've got no real fondness for Romo, but I'd have liked to see him get another shot. Dude's far better than most want to give him credit for and honestly doesn't deserve a lot of the grief he gets. It's funny that a lot of the fans down here think that Romo was the one thing holding them back. In reality nothing is further from the truth. There are a lot of teams stuck with the Alex Smiths and Nick Foles of the world, and Dallas fans might well find out what that's like.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 29, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
I've got no real fondness for Romo, but I'd have liked to see him get another shot. Dude's far better than most want to give him credit for and honestly doesn't deserve a lot of the grief he gets. It's funny that a lot of the fans down here think that Romo was the one thing holding them back. In reality nothing is further from the truth. There are a lot of teams stuck with the Alex Smiths and Nick Foles of the world, and Dallas fans might well find out what that's like.

Sounds like a fondness to me! ;D

I actually agree with everything you say.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 29, 2016, 02:17:53 PM
Nah, I really don't much like the guy. It's just that football fans are often times opinionated loudmouths who don't know what they're talking about. I like people who think Romo sucks because he couldn't earn rings for the entire team even less. And Dallas is an awful, awful football town. Those sorts of people make up nearly the entire city.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 29, 2016, 02:22:01 PM
Roma's value to the team was pretty apparent last season; he will never get credit for being a really good and really tough QB.

Speaking of QBs, the Broncos are going with Trevor Siemian. I am good with that.  Sanchez is just too erratic, and Lynch isn't ready yet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
Roma's value to the team was pretty apparent last season; he will never get credit for being a really good and really tough QB.

Speaking of QBs, the Broncos are going with Trevor Siemian. I am good with that.  Sanchez is just too erratic, and Lynch isn't ready yet.

I think there was a stat that the cowboys only won 7 of the 27 games Romo hasn't started in since he became the starter... that says enough to me about the value of him.  However, I think the fumbled snap in the playoffs is what really haunts him and leaves many people feeling like he is a loser more so than a winner because people can pin that one loss on him on that one play. (plus the memorable photo of him sitting on the ground).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on August 29, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
Nah, I really don't much like the guy. It's just that football fans are often times opinionated loudmouths who don't know what they're talking about. I like people who think Romo sucks because he couldn't earn rings for the entire team even less. And Dallas is an awful, awful football town. Those sorts of people make up nearly the entire city.

Just messin'.

The guy catches way too much flak.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 29, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
Yeah, he never recovered from the bobbled snap. That cemented his place as a choker. Going 2-3 thereafter certainly didn't help. His best shot to redeem himself was 2 years ago when the Calvin Johnson rule killed them. Had they eked that one out it would have gone a long way to repairing the damage.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 29, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
And the laugher there is, that botched snap play was when he was a holder, not a quarterback, so for many to consider him a choker because of a play gone wrong that had nothing to do with the position he plays 99.999999 of the time is so asinine.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 29, 2016, 03:05:23 PM
And the laugher there is, that botched snap play was when he was a holder, not a quarterback, so for many to consider him a choker because of a play gone wrong that had nothing to do with the position he plays 99.999999 of the time is so asinine.
The stupidity of Dallas football fans is nothing short of remarkable. This just isn't a football town.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on August 29, 2016, 04:41:41 PM
Philly fans are just as bad, but they obsess about football 24x7x365 and think that they're really smart.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 30, 2016, 08:06:00 AM
Dak Prescott has already shown that he has what it takes to be a good QB in this league.
Well, I don't know.  I mean, I know he has looked good in the preseason, but how much time has he gotten with the starters and going against starting defenses?

Besides, they are preseason games.  He isn't getting any defense's full package yet.

He's off to a good start, for sure.  But I certainly don't think the Cowboys are 100% confident in him.

Well, obviously we don't know how he's gonna do in the regular season because it hasn't started yet.  Yeah, he's looked good in the preseason.  What more can be expected from a new guy?  Now that Romo is out, Dak will most likely start.  If he doesn't continue to look good in the regular season, then you can go out of your way to try and prove me wrong.  :p
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 30, 2016, 08:11:29 AM
I wasn't saying "You are 100% wrong" I was saying "Let's not be hasty".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on August 30, 2016, 02:54:23 PM


Speaking of QBs, the Broncos are going with Trevor Siemian. I am good with that.  Sanchez is just too erratic, and Lynch isn't ready yet.

Agreed. Sanchez has had ample opportunity to prove he's not that good and that double-fumble pre-season game sealed his fate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2016, 03:00:40 PM


Speaking of QBs, the Broncos are going with Trevor Siemian. I am good with that.  Sanchez is just too erratic, and Lynch isn't ready yet.

Agreed. Sanchez has had ample opportunity to prove he's not that good and that double-fumble pre-season game sealed his fate.

Siemian seems like a crazy idea to go with, but I watched him play at Northwestern and he was really good in his limited time.  His problem was getting injured though.  I'm really happy for him to get the shot and am rooting for him to succeed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 30, 2016, 04:11:06 PM
Damn on Teddy Bridgewater.   Sounds like he's out for the year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on August 30, 2016, 05:31:19 PM
If not longer.

Sucks, as I was really rooting for him. He's easily one of the most likeable QB's to get drafted, and I think he had talent too. This could have been a break-out year for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on August 30, 2016, 05:32:21 PM
Damn on Teddy Bridgewater.   Sounds like he's out for the year.

By all accounts, sounds like an absolutely horrific injury.  Wouldn't be surprised if his career is in jeopardy; it sounds that bad.  How awful.  :|



Speaking of QBs, the Broncos are going with Trevor Siemian. I am good with that.  Sanchez is just too erratic, and Lynch isn't ready yet.

Agreed. Sanchez has had ample opportunity to prove he's not that good and that double-fumble pre-season game sealed his fate.

Siemian seems like a crazy idea to go with, but I watched him play at Northwestern and he was really good in his limited time.  His problem was getting injured though.  I'm really happy for him to get the shot and am rooting for him to succeed.

They'll be some growing pains, since he likes to take chances by heaving it downfield, but he should stretch the field, and he has the WRs to do it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on August 30, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
Sanchez is backup material, and the Broncos have that covered. What internet analysts fail to look at when they took at Sanchez's average stats are the fumbles. He's just as good at fumbling as he is throwing INTs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2016, 07:35:54 AM
Yep, shame about Bridgewater.  Last I heard, there was no nerve or arterial damage, so that's good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2016, 07:36:39 AM
Sanchez is backup material, and the Broncos have that covered. What internet analysts fail to look at when they took at Sanchez's average stats are the fumbles. He's just as good at fumbling as he is throwing INTs.

I find this hard to believe, the butt fumble!  :lol How can people forget about that?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on August 31, 2016, 07:45:54 AM
Sanchez is backup material, and the Broncos have that covered. What internet analysts fail to look at when they took at Sanchez's average stats are the fumbles. He's just as good at fumbling as he is throwing INTs.

I find this hard to believe, the butt fumble!  :lol How can people forget about that?

I don't know what this "butt fumble" you speak of is referring to, but speaking strictly hypothetically, if a Jets fan drank enough alcohol he might be able to make himself forget.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on August 31, 2016, 07:54:31 AM
Of course you'd blank out the butt fumble game against us Bill. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2016, 09:23:16 AM
Sanchez is backup material, and the Broncos have that covered. What internet analysts fail to look at when they took at Sanchez's average stats are the fumbles. He's just as good at fumbling as he is throwing INTs.

I find this hard to believe, the butt fumble!  :lol How can people forget about that?

I don't know what this "butt fumble" you speak of is referring to, but speaking strictly hypothetically, if a Jets fan drank enough alcohol he might be able to make himself forget.
:clap:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on August 31, 2016, 10:08:20 AM
Bridgewater is just one of those players it's hard to not like. And I've got nothing against the Vikings, either. It really is a shame, as they were going to be a lot of fun to watch this year. Shame for AP, as well. Even if you don't like the guy, playing with TB made him even more exciting, I think.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 31, 2016, 10:19:01 AM
Sanchez is backup material, and the Broncos have that covered. What internet analysts fail to look at when they took at Sanchez's average stats are the fumbles. He's just as good at fumbling as he is throwing INTs.

I find this hard to believe, the butt fumble!  :lol How can people forget about that?

I don't know what this "butt fumble" you speak of is referring to, but speaking strictly hypothetically, if a Jets fan drank enough alcohol he might be able to make himself forget.

I'm glad I'm not the only one lol.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 01, 2016, 06:39:49 AM
Bridgewater is just one of those players it's hard to not like. And I've got nothing against the Vikings, either. It really is a shame, as they were going to be a lot of fun to watch this year. Shame for AP, as well. Even if you don't like the guy, playing with TB made him even more exciting, I think.

This. The Vikings are my #2 team and I thought they had a great shot at the playoffs if not more. After the missed field goal last year and now this it's dark times to be Vikings fan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 01, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
I don't think the sky is totally falling in Minnesota.  I mean, they will take a hit, but Bridgewater was still a below average starting NFL QB (I would have put him at 19-22 coming into this season if he were healthy), and they still have AP and a really good defense. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 02, 2016, 06:40:07 AM
I wouldn't call him Below Average and he was definitely on the up swing. If he is below average what does that make Sean Hill?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: bosk1 on September 02, 2016, 07:58:29 AM
A backup to a below average QB?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 02, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
I wouldn't call him Below Average and he was definitely on the up swing.

I would.

Quarterbacks obviously better:

Rodgers
Brady
Wilson
Brees
Newton
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Palmer
Eli
Dalton
Luck
Romo
Flacco
Carr

That's 14.

And I would also put ahead of him:

Stafford
Fitzpatrick
Cousins
Bortles
Ryan
Alex Smith

That's 20.  So when I said 19-22, he was on the lower end of that tier. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 03, 2016, 08:46:24 AM
Minnesota traded for Bradford.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 03, 2016, 09:35:14 AM
Minnesota traded for Bradford.

Wow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: T-ski on September 03, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
Minnesota traded for Bradford.

what a bad trade for the Vikings.  A 1st and a 4th (which could turn into a 2 according to one report if the Vikings do well). 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 03, 2016, 02:15:04 PM
They needed a QB, so it makes sense. I laughed when I saw it, though. Everyone wants Bradford until they have him. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 07:05:03 AM
I get why they made that trade: they are set up to contend with the NFC big boys this year and AP probably doesn't have much time left before he hits the RB wall, so they are going for broke this year.  Bradford isn't that good, but he's probably about as good as Bridgewater was (although he'll need time to get up to speed with the playbook).  That said, they still gave up way too much to get him.

Oh, and this made me laugh: Cowboys nab Sanchez right after the Broncos cut him. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2016, 07:35:46 AM
Just for you Kev.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_20160904_093357_zpsqmjhtv6k.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/IMG_20160904_093357_zpsqmjhtv6k.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 07:47:19 AM
(https://dunk360.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/omaha.jpg)

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2016, 08:18:41 AM
You really should post the Defense. Even a Pats fan knows that. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
If you insist.

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 :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2016, 09:19:51 AM
Here, let me help you with this year.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/Trevor-siemian-hahahahaha-good-luck-with-that-denver-meme-58768_zps5kur6jup.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/Trevor-siemian-hahahahaha-good-luck-with-that-denver-meme-58768_zps5kur6jup.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 09:25:45 AM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 04, 2016, 09:43:09 AM
While we're on the subject of this year, I'm glad we still have this guy  ;D:

(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4310553/uz9hu.0.gif)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
(https://i1.wp.com/turtleboysports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/11266451_921392684586886_777624702553082097_n.jpg)

 :lol. That is the worst meme since Drew's play was so bad at the time.  No worries with Tom's play. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 10:40:01 AM
Not yet, but it's coming very, very soon.  Brady is 39 now and Father Time is gonna to catch him at any time, just like it did to Peyton in the second half of the 2014 season.  You've been warned. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2016, 10:42:36 AM
 :lol

I don't think his drop will be as fast as Peyton.  The neck surgeries did him in but it is coming.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
The Patriots have already done a good job in the last few years at adjusting their offense to his shortcomings now - they rely heavily on the short passing game since he cannot consistently through the deep ball anymore - but he took a lot of hits behind that line last year, and if it's not significantly better this year, he will take a lot again when he comes back.  The body can only take so many hits, regardless of what the mind wants.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
Yeah, the other line has been very weak.  Brady seems to take the hits well but of course you pressure any qb and that rushes them into mistakes. 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 04, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Yeah, the other line has been very weak.  Brady seems to take the hits well but of course you pressure any qb and that rushes them into mistakes.

Brady takes hits just about as well as any QB I've ever watched. He got knocked around a lot in the AFC Championship game last season and shook the hits off like they were nothing. I actually thought he was going to be injured for sure when Malik Jackson crushed him and landed on his shoulder after he lobbed the ball up that ended up getting picked off by Darian Stewart. The problem is that he isn't getting any younger and if the o line continues to allow him to get punished like that, he won't last much longer. I'm sure Belichick and Co. will get the o line issues sorted out though. Apparently getting rid of Stork was a step in that direction.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 04, 2016, 06:25:24 PM
While we're on the subject of this year, I'm glad we still have this guy  ;D:

(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4310553/uz9hu.0.gif)

Drafted that dude in FF today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2016, 09:41:49 PM
Yeah, the other line has been very weak.  Brady seems to take the hits well but of course you pressure any qb and that rushes them into mistakes.

Brady takes hits just about as well as any QB I've ever watched. He got knocked around a lot in the AFC Championship game last season and shook the hits off like they were nothing. I actually thought he was going to be injured for sure when Malik Jackson crushed him and landed on his shoulder after he lobbed the ball up that ended up getting picked off by Darian Stewart. The problem is that he isn't getting any younger and if the o line continues to allow him to get punished like that, he won't last much longer. I'm sure Belichick and Co. will get the o line issues sorted out though. Apparently getting rid of Stork was a step in that direction.

I disagree.  He was definitely rattled due to all of the hits he was taking. I remember a play, in the 3rd quarter I think, where he stepped up in the pocket and did their weird side step and then threw an incompletion into the ground, almost like he was expecting to get hit again and panicked there for a second.  That happens to the best quarterbacks if you hit them enough.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 05, 2016, 04:19:44 AM
Yeah, the other line has been very weak.  Brady seems to take the hits well but of course you pressure any qb and that rushes them into mistakes.

Brady takes hits just about as well as any QB I've ever watched. He got knocked around a lot in the AFC Championship game last season and shook the hits off like they were nothing. I actually thought he was going to be injured for sure when Malik Jackson crushed him and landed on his shoulder after he lobbed the ball up that ended up getting picked off by Darian Stewart. The problem is that he isn't getting any younger and if the o line continues to allow him to get punished like that, he won't last much longer. I'm sure Belichick and Co. will get the o line issues sorted out though. Apparently getting rid of Stork was a step in that direction.

I disagree.  He was definitely rattled due to all of the hits he was taking. I remember a play, in the 3rd quarter I think, where he stepped up in the pocket and did their weird side step and then threw an incompletion into the ground, almost like he was expecting to get hit again and panicked there for a second.  That happens to the best quarterbacks if you hit them enough.

When Tom Brady has a clean pocket he's the best QB on the planet but when he's constantly getting pressured and hit in the pocket he becomes an average signal caller at best. He starts to see phantom defenders in the backfield and rushes his throws. It's his weakness and the way that Rex Ryan's Jets teams were able to find success against him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 05, 2016, 08:26:44 AM
All QB's under pressure are not as good as a clean pocket. No QB does not feel that phantom pressure when thy get knocked around.

The reason why some teams don't pressure some QB's is they cannot survey the D. Before or during the play.  No need to pressure the QB.  They'll make the mistake.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 05, 2016, 08:47:16 AM
All QB's under pressure are not as good as a clean pocket. No QB does not feel that phantom pressure when thy get knocked around.

The reason why some teams don't pressure some QB's is they cannot survey the D. Before or during the play.  No need to pressure the QB.  They'll make the mistake.

Sorry to disagree, but I challenge anyone to find me footage of Roethlisberger being jittery in the pocket. He has no fear. It was either 2015 or the year before when his QB rating when facing pressure was like 20 points higher than the next closest QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 05, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
Ben is magic out of the pocket buy is the exception.   Ben can still do much better in the pocket with protection but runs for his life .
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2016, 09:37:05 AM
Being that fearless in the pocket is also why he gets hurt almost every year.  The truly smart quarterbacks know that taking an endless amount of hits is not good in the long run. It's a chess match, not a macho contest.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 05, 2016, 10:29:00 AM
Thats on the coaching staff to protect your franchise qb.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on September 06, 2016, 05:54:41 AM
Eagles are gonna start Wentz, who got injured in the first preseason game and hasn't had a full practice.

Damn - I feel bad for him. They're sending him out to die. Hope he's mentally resilient enough to get through this year and get better as a QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 06, 2016, 07:16:01 AM
While we're on the subject of this year, I'm glad we still have this guy  ;D:

(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4310553/uz9hu.0.gif)
In all fairness, the star of that play was the blocking, not the RB.

Most starting RBs in the league could have scored on that play with THAT blocking.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 06, 2016, 09:52:00 AM
Also, Troy Aikman is thrilled that FOX Sports has signed Skip Bayless.

"I believe success is achieved by acquiring and developing talented, respected and credible individuals," Aikman said, "none of which applies to Skip Bayless." (https://www.si.com/tech-media/2016/09/06/media-circus-troy-aikman-skip-bayless-fox-sports-1)

lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 06, 2016, 11:10:23 AM
I really like Aikman. He always gives honest answers when he's interviewed, and he would be justified in his opinion of Bayless even if Skip hadn't essentially slandered him in the past.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 06, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
Yeah, I don't have a very high opinion of Bayless either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 06, 2016, 01:22:21 PM
Yeah, I don't have a very high opinion of Bayless either.

Skip Bayless is a tool. He runs his mouth more than anyone and is almost always wrong. How he has a career in sports analysis is beyon me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: FracturedMirror on September 06, 2016, 07:01:33 PM
Wow.  Apparently I account for 100% of the Raiders fan base on the board.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 06, 2016, 07:20:49 PM
Wow.  Apparently I account for 100% of the Raiders fan base on the board.  :lol

I'd mock you but they are definitely on the rise.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 06, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
The Raiders haven't had a winning seasons since 2002. They deserve to be mocked until they change that. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 06, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
The Raiders haven't had a winning seasons since 2002. They deserve to be mocked until they change that. :biggrin:

Lol, but you've got to admit, they feel on the up and it feels weird to Broncos fans. Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 06, 2016, 11:49:04 PM
In all fairness, the star of that play was the blocking, not the RB.

Most starting RBs in the league could have scored on that play with THAT blocking.

I wasn't trying to take any credit away from the blocking, the play just happened to be the game winner against the Patriots and it was meant to be a playful jab at King  :D CJ had plenty of impressive runs in the second half of last season when he was healthy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 07, 2016, 04:05:44 AM
I'm hurt now. ;D

I have a feeling I'll have some fun back this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 07, 2016, 07:29:37 AM
I'm hurt now. ;D

I have a feeling I'll have some fun back this year.

It might be rough for both of us in these first few weeks...  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 07, 2016, 07:32:52 AM
You are not kidding! :lol  Both D's are very good.  At least after the 1st week at the Cardinals the Pats have 3 home games that will help until Brady is back.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on September 07, 2016, 08:10:05 AM
The Raiders haven't had a winning seasons since 2002. They deserve to be mocked until they change that. :biggrin:
Yeah, Tampa crushed their soul.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: FracturedMirror on September 07, 2016, 10:26:23 AM
Wow.  Apparently I account for 100% of the Raiders fan base on the board.  :lol

I'd mock you but they are definitely on the rise.

Definitely seem to be on the rise, and I'm expecting a pretty good season.  But I've learned to not get my expectations too high.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 07, 2016, 10:59:21 AM
2016 Predictions:

AFCE - 1. New England 2. N.Y. Jets 3. Buffalo 4. Miami
AFCN - 1. Baltimore 2. Pittsburgh 3. Cincinnati 4. Cleveland
AFCS - 1. Indianapolis 2. Jacksonville 3. Houston 4. Tennessee
AFCW - 1. Denver 2. Oakland 3. Kansas City 4. San Diego

NFCE - 1. Dallas 2. Washington 3. N.Y. Giants 4. Philadelphia
NFCN - 1. Green Bay 2. Minnesota 3. Chicago 4. Detroit
NFCS - 1. Carolina 2. Tampa Bay 3. New Orleans 4. Atlanta
NFCW - 1. Seattle 2. Arizona 3. Los Angeles 4. San Francisco

AFC Playoff Teams 1. Denver 2. New England 3. Indianapolis 4. Baltimore 5. Pittsburgh 6. Oakland
NFC Playoff Teams 1. Seattle 2. Green Bay 3. Carolina 4. Dallas 5. Arizona 6. Tampa Bay

AFC Champion - Denver
NFC Champion - Seattle

Super Bowl 51 Champion - Seattle
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 07, 2016, 04:43:37 PM
I was just telling a buddy last night, I have no idea who to pick for the Super Bowl this year.

Arizona seems to be a popular pick, and they are loaded, but I don't trust Carson Palmer for some reason.

Gun to my head, for the title games, I will say GB/Seattle and NE/KC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on September 08, 2016, 08:06:27 AM
It's the last NFC wildcard that has me stumped. There are five division winners in four divisions, and the divisions with real parity are far too shitty to produce a WC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 08, 2016, 09:05:35 AM
I was just telling a buddy last night, I have no idea who to pick for the Super Bowl this year.

Arizona seems to be a popular pick, and they are loaded, but I don't trust Carson Palmer for some reason.

Gun to my head, for the title games, I will say GB/Seattle and NE/KC.

I can't find one fault in this post.   Not even grammar or spelling.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: DragonAttack on September 08, 2016, 05:02:10 PM
First of all....I have no dog in the hunt for tonight's game, but think this rematch should have been around Week 4 to 6.  Just doesn't seem right for either fan base.  That said...

AFC playoffs.....NE, KC, Indy, Cinn, Denver and the Ravens as WC (injuries, the schedule, and 'luck' won't be as horrible as last year for Balto).  Steelers and NYJets barely miss out.
NFC playoffs.....GB, Caro, Sea or Ariz in the West, runner up as WC.....and, good grief, I have to pick two others?  Uhm, the team SE of Central Michigan, and the other team that moved from Cleveland at one time

Final Four the same as Kev.  GB-KC for the lonnnnng awaited rematch, Pack to win again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 08, 2016, 05:51:31 PM
Football in under an hour. Very excited. Hoping for a fun, entertaining game. Would also like to see Trevor Simeon do well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Siemian looks good.  So does the running game.  Win or lose tonight, this is a very encouraging sign for Broncos fans.  :coolio
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on September 08, 2016, 07:26:22 PM
That was a nice drive. Way to bounce back from the pick.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
And that pick wasn't a bad play or throw, but a great play by the defense, to deflect it and then pick it off.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 08, 2016, 07:42:12 PM
Yeah, I was hoping for the O to look bad (you know I would :lol) but kudos.  They look good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 08, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
The first half wasn't perfect by any means, but I am happy for now. Great drive at the end of the half with no timeouts.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2016, 08:24:50 PM
Yeah, I was hoping for the O to look bad (you know I would :lol) but kudos.  They look good.

They just can't get on the field lately since the TD.  Over a full quarter of play gone and all they had was one possession (a 3 and out).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 08, 2016, 09:19:01 PM
Hell of a game so far to open the season. Here's hoping for a good finish.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2016, 09:54:18 PM
Whew.

That is justice for that ticky-tack call on 4th and 22.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 08, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
What a game... Denver got a bit of a break at the end there, but I'll take it  :metal Carolina came in with a nice game plan that nearly neutralized Denver's pass rush for most of the game, but Denver made critical half time adjustments on defense. Time for the media to give this Denver team a little more credit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 08, 2016, 09:55:58 PM
Well, crap.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2016, 09:57:51 PM
Honestly, I didn't think the Broncos would come back when it was 17-7; I love being wrong sometimes.

I wasn't pleased with some of the dirty hits by the Broncos defense on Newton, but that happens sometimes with rugged defenses.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 08, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
The only one I really had an issue with was Stewart's at the end, but he came flying in so fast you really can't blame him; I doubt he was  intentionally trying to hit Cam in the head like that. I found it funny that Collinsworth kept babbling on about how Von Miller should've been flagged for the "foul" on the first sack of Cam by Ware. I guess he wants the refs to start throwing flags every time a player's helmet touches another now?

I can't say enough about how pleased I am with Siemian's performance tonight against a great defense though. It obviously wasn't perfect, and there were a few bad decisions and throws, but I loved his accuracy and poise. You just don't expect that from a first time starter and 7th round pick out of Northwestern. I don't want to get ahead of myself here, but he really was a nice find by Kubiak and Elway.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2016, 10:31:28 PM
The quarterback of the defending champs who won tonight is talking to the media and ESPN doesn't show it.  But if Cam Newton or Ron Rivera are at the podium, they will switch right over.  Business as usual over there.  :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2016, 06:51:30 AM
I didn't watch the whole game (back and forth, until about 9:00 left, when I watched full through) but if you're Denver, you're happy.    I don't expect Siemieaiaaieiaieaieiaiaieaaieaian to look that good all year (16 games is grueling) but way to step up.   And I saw more of that "pouty" face from Camshaft late in the game when they needed him.   I remember Trent Dilfer saying a couple years ago, "he will never be elite because he doesn't know what he needs to know to be great, and he's not striving every day every play to be better than he was an hour ago" or something like that.    Looks like the lesson of Super Bowl hasn't sunk fully in. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2016, 08:31:23 AM
I didn't watch the whole game (back and forth, until about 9:00 left, when I watched full through) but if you're Denver, you're happy.    I don't expect Siemieaiaaieiaieaieiaiaieaaieaian to look that good all year (16 games is grueling) but way to step up.   And I saw more of that "pouty" face from Camshaft late in the game when they needed him.   I remember Trent Dilfer saying a couple years ago, "he will never be elite because he doesn't know what he needs to know to be great, and he's not striving every day every play to be better than he was an hour ago" or something like that.    Looks like the lesson of Super Bowl hasn't sunk fully in.
I guess you'll see what you want to see.  Cam played his ass off last night.  He left it all on the field, took a lot of shots that would have knocked any other QB out of the game, and put his team in position to win.  And don't get me started about quoting Trent Dilfer on great QB attributes.

But whatever.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 09, 2016, 08:38:54 AM
I didn't watch the whole game (back and forth, until about 9:00 left, when I watched full through) but if you're Denver, you're happy.    I don't expect Siemieaiaaieiaieaieiaiaieaaieaian to look that good all year (16 games is grueling) but way to step up.   And I saw more of that "pouty" face from Camshaft late in the game when they needed him.   I remember Trent Dilfer saying a couple years ago, "he will never be elite because he doesn't know what he needs to know to be great, and he's not striving every day every play to be better than he was an hour ago" or something like that.    Looks like the lesson of Super Bowl hasn't sunk fully in.

I thought the same thing. His body language did not seem very leader like a lot in that game. As far as the hits, it's freaking football. People have been bitching about babying QB's for the last decade. Anyway, great game overall. Much better than the super bowl. And keep an eye on former Husker Janovich. Guy is not only a beast, but is fast and is a great blocker.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 09, 2016, 10:25:39 AM
I didn't watch the whole game (back and forth, until about 9:00 left, when I watched full through) but if you're Denver, you're happy.    I don't expect Siemieaiaaieiaieaieiaiaieaaieaian to look that good all year (16 games is grueling) but way to step up.   And I saw more of that "pouty" face from Camshaft late in the game when they needed him.   I remember Trent Dilfer saying a couple years ago, "he will never be elite because he doesn't know what he needs to know to be great, and he's not striving every day every play to be better than he was an hour ago" or something like that.    Looks like the lesson of Super Bowl hasn't sunk fully in.
I guess you'll see what you want to see.  Cam played his ass off last night.  He left it all on the field, took a lot of shots that would have knocked any other QB out of the game, and put his team in position to win.  And don't get me started about quoting Trent Dilfer on great QB attributes.

But whatever.
I agree, hef. Newton was getting crushed out there. There's only so much one guy can do.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Rattlehead on September 09, 2016, 06:34:23 PM
I disagree about Cam's body language last night, compared to the Super Bowl it was like night and day. Sure he got frustrated over some of the late hits and the helmet to helmet hit from Stewart, but who wouldn't have? He still kept his composure to put his team in a good position to win the game at the end (although he was helped by a really bad call on Chris Harris Jr on the 4th and long play; if you watch the replay it's pretty obvious that Benjamin should have been called for the same thing and they should have replayed the down).

Overall, both teams looked good though and I expect both of them to be in the playoffs at the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 09, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Yep, that if the play is called correctly, the Panthers likely do not keep the drive going and the Stewart hit never happens.  But that's neither here nor there.

Newton is similar to Roethlisberger: they are both so big and strong that I think players feel like they have to hit them harder to get them down.  If you hit them the way you would Brady or Rodgers, you'd bounce right off them.  The officials need to officiate it better.

As for Newton's body language last night, he was fine.  Considering the way he was getting drilled, I thought he did a good job of keeping his composure, and had Gano hit the FG, the story would have been him toughing it out and leading his team to a win on the road against the champs.

That said, I still enjoyed the Broncos giving him another defeat. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: faizoff on September 09, 2016, 08:56:39 PM
Well considering his head got rung like a fucking bell, I'm surprised he was able to shrug it off
 https://imgur.com/Mn1z9Ld?r (https://imgur.com/Mn1z9Ld?r)
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Newton said he didn’t feel he was being targeted and dodged a question about whether he received fair and adequate protection from Steratore’s crew. “It’s not my job to question the officials,” Newton said. “I really like this officiating crew. So, it wasn’t something that I know they did intentionally. But it’s not fun getting hit in the head.”
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 11, 2016, 07:42:15 AM
The first portion of NFL RedZone is going to be absolutely insane.... 9 games, including ones that could be very exciting, like Oakland/New Orleans, Tampa/Atlanta, Green Bay/Jacksonville (and Buffalo/Baltimore  :biggrin: ).

The afternoon slate... not so much.... only 3 games. Wish they'd even it out a little bit.


But screw it... Week One Sunday is here! Enjoy!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2016, 07:51:28 AM
Hell yeah!! :coolio
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2016, 08:55:41 AM
I'm so dead tired, but how can I resist going to an NFL game for 15 bucks?  (Thats the cheapest I am seeing on Stubhub for the Falcons game).  I can't get into Metlife Stadium for anywhere near that cheap.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on September 11, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
I'm so dead tired, but how can I resist going to an NFL game for 15 bucks?  (Thats the cheapest I am seeing on Stubhub for the Falcons game).  I can't get into Metlife Stadium for anywhere near that cheap.

Hell, parking alone has to be double that :lol

So excited for week 1. I've got friends coming by and plenty of chips and beer :hat

The first portion of NFL RedZone is going to be absolutely insane.... 9 games, including ones that could be very exciting, like Oakland/New Orleans, Tampa/Atlanta, Green Bay/Jacksonville (and Buffalo/Baltimore  :biggrin: ).

The afternoon slate... not so much.... only 3 games. Wish they'd even it out a little bit.


But screw it... Week One Sunday is here! Enjoy!

I always hate this, seems like the schedule is always tilted very heavy for the early games and then there's only a couple in the late afternoon slot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Nice honor of 9/11 at the Jets/Bengals game.  Well done.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cool Chris on September 11, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
New thread title?

The one thing I hate about this time of the sports year is that it seems like 95% of sports TV/Radio chatter is about fantasy football, while the other 5% is about the actual games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2016, 12:02:42 PM
That was a bad call on the hit of Marshall. He had a chance to pull it in and that was not a neck/head shot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2016, 12:03:42 PM
Chargers pummeling the Chiefs.  Melvin Gordon looks like the real deal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Never expected that Kev.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 11, 2016, 12:34:04 PM
That Rodgers to Adams TD!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on September 11, 2016, 02:09:04 PM
Just poured myself a giant glass of 10% ABV beer because I'm a fucking Jets fan  :censored
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 11, 2016, 02:21:03 PM
Just poured myself a giant glass of 10% ABV beer because I'm a fucking Jets fan  :censored

Nick Folk leaving four points on the table really screwed them. Four very easy points. Fitz may have thrown a pick, but he should have never been in that situation in the first place. A waste of an outstanding game from the D-line. Still, the Bengals are a great team and the Jets played them hard until the end of the game and had Folk not missed a chip shot field goal and an extra point, they probably would have won against a team that has made the playoffs for five straight seasons. I'm still optimistic for this season despite the loss.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2016, 02:28:58 PM
What a crazy day so far!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2016, 02:44:28 PM
Epic gag job by the Chargers.

Ballsy call to go for 2 by the Raiders, but then again, the Saints D sucks so badly that I'd go for 2 every time against them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: dparrott on September 11, 2016, 03:47:27 PM
Raiders win it in the last minute! Whooooo!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2016, 03:57:41 PM
What a crazy day so far!

Yea, lots of good games.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/14225531_10111591013043834_3410938649749052250_n.jpg?oh=8a2c4c5f7a723a1ad7c6ca45de08252f&oe=584237FE)

Eli is looking real good with Odell and now Cruz performing again.  Giants D is really struggling with Prescott who is playing great as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: orcus116 on September 11, 2016, 05:07:52 PM
We will never get rid of Peyton commercials will we?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2016, 05:17:39 PM
We will never get rid of Peyton commercials will we?

No...you...won't, you're...stuck with hiiiimm.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
Love how Dallas blew it! I was afraid they'd kick a 60 yard fg for the win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cool Chris on September 11, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
Well, that was close, but a win is a win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2016, 05:56:27 PM
I'll never get over how stupid some NFL players are when it comes to time management and situational awareness.

See: Terrance Williams and Marvin Jones.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 11, 2016, 06:01:07 PM
Notice to all.... Luck is back.....

Instant top 5.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2016, 06:11:49 PM
I'll never get over how stupid some NFL players are when it comes to time management and situational awareness.

See: Terrance Williams and Marvin Jones.

GET OUT OF BOUNDS!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 11, 2016, 06:19:47 PM
Just poured myself a giant glass of 10% ABV beer because I'm a fucking Jets fan  :censored

Nick Folk leaving four points on the table really screwed them. Four very easy points. Fitz may have thrown a pick, but he should have never been in that situation in the first place. A waste of an outstanding game from the D-line. Still, the Bengals are a great team and the Jets played them hard until the end of the game and had Folk not missed a chip shot field goal and an extra point, they probably would have won against a team that has made the playoffs for five straight seasons. I'm still optimistic for this season despite the loss.

Thanks Jets  ::)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2016, 06:31:10 PM
Notice to all.... Luck is back.....

Instant top 5.

Dude, it was against the Lions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on September 11, 2016, 07:08:29 PM
I'll never get over how stupid some NFL players are when it comes to time management and situational awareness.

See: Terrance Williams and Marvin Jones.
We figured Williams knew the CB was going to keep him in bounds and opted to go for it. However, if he had that situational awareness, he should have known the safety was behind him and taken the chance for the sideline.  Nevertheless, promising start for Dallas.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 11, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Notice to all.... Luck is back.....

Instant top 5.

Dude, it was against the Lions.

Far from the best defense but far from the worst in the league. Point is, Colts needed every bit of what Luck gave them to get that win.  When Luck is healthy, and has more than .5 seconds to get rid of the ball, he has proven that he can compete at an elite level.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2016, 08:55:36 PM
I'll never get over how stupid some NFL players are when it comes to time management and situational awareness.

See: Terrance Williams and Marvin Jones.
We figured Williams knew the CB was going to keep him in bounds and opted to go for it. However, if he had that situational awareness, he should have known the safety was behind him and taken the chance for the sideline.  Nevertheless, promising start for Dallas.

Eh, they looked like the Romo-less Cowboys of last year: good enough to dominate the time of possessions thanks to their offensive line, but not good enough to finish drives, and just good enough to barely lose.  And losing a home game to a division opponent is never a good start.

  When Luck is healthy, and has more than .5 seconds to get rid of the ball, he has proven that he can compete at an elite level.

We'll see. 

He better hope his line shows up next week vs the Broncos, or he will get a lot of what Cam got the other night.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: El Barto on September 11, 2016, 09:48:16 PM
I'll never get over how stupid some NFL players are when it comes to time management and situational awareness.

See: Terrance Williams and Marvin Jones.
We figured Williams knew the CB was going to keep him in bounds and opted to go for it. However, if he had that situational awareness, he should have known the safety was behind him and taken the chance for the sideline.  Nevertheless, promising start for Dallas.

Eh, they looked like the Romo-less Cowboys of last year: good enough to dominate the time of possessions thanks to their offensive line, but not good enough to finish drives, and just good enough to barely lose.  And losing a home game to a division opponent is never a good start.
I can see that. At the same time, last year it looked like they were scraping the bottom of the barrel just to hang in games. I never got the impression they could be any better than they were with the players they had available. I thought that the team they fielded today could play a much better game than they did. That doesn't make them a playoff contender, but it did look like a big improvement over last year's Romo-less Cowboys.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 12, 2016, 04:22:56 AM
Mother  :censored!!! So a missed field goal sinks the Jets AND leads the Pats to victory. This season is not off to a good start for me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 12, 2016, 04:39:15 AM
This was the chance for all 3 AFC East teams and to see all 3 lose and the Pats win had to be disheartening for all of those teams fans.  I myself did not expect this outcome in week 1.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2016, 06:04:25 AM
I can see that. At the same time, last year it looked like they were scraping the bottom of the barrel just to hang in games. I never got the impression they could be any better than they were with the players they had available. I thought that the team they fielded today could play a much better game than they did. That doesn't make them a playoff contender, but it did look like a big improvement over last year's Romo-less Cowboys.

Prescott certainly has more upside than the bozos they threw out there last year when Romo was hurt, but while you don't want your rookie QB playing reckless, they can't expect to win with him by coaching him to play that conservatively.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 12, 2016, 06:40:56 AM
This was the chance for all 3 AFC East teams and to see all 3 lose and the Pats win had to be disheartening for all of those teams fans.  I myself did not expect this outcome in week 1.

The Patriots have not had to compete against an elite QB in their division during the entirety of the Belichick/Brady era, so this does not surprise me at all. Business as usual in the AFC East. Yesterday's result also showed that anyone QBing for that team can win; on the road; against a great team even. Heck, they went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2016, 07:00:16 AM
This was the chance for all 3 AFC East teams and to see all 3 lose and the Pats win had to be disheartening for all of those teams fans.  I myself did not expect this outcome in week 1.

The Patriots have not had to compete against an elite QB in their division during the entirety of the Belichick/Brady era, so this does not surprise me at all. Business as usual in the AFC East. Yesterday's result also showed that anyone QBing for that team can win; on the road; against a great team even. Heck, they went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.

Wow, that's some deep football analysis.  If you can't watch that game and see where Brady brings something intangible to the table - not to mention the mindset of knowing, as a team "we have to persevere through x (be it 4 or 16) games without our leader" - then you're not really paying attention.  Garoppolo is a very good QB, and he played well, but that's not the same team without Brady, no doubt.   

There's no doubt that's a very very good team, with great depth and great coaching.   They were missing Brady, Gronk, Ninkovich, and Jones (who was on the other side of the ball) and yet they played very well.  It actually shouldn't have been that close.   Fitzgerald is a monster in every good meaning of that word (he is one of the very few receivers that can take control of a field; watch the last two drives if you need proof), and that fumble by LeGarrett was a really unfortunate event (and thus overshadowed that incredible touchdown run about three minutes before.

Haters gonna hate, this isn't a surprise to those that know this team.   In post 713 on page 21 (yes, I looked it up) I called "3-1 on Brady's return".   Ploayoffs are a totally different story (the Cassells team didn't make the playoffs, it should be noted, and Belichick didn't lift a finger to keep him once he got a whiff of "I can start in this league"). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 12, 2016, 07:02:35 AM
This was the chance for all 3 AFC East teams and to see all 3 lose and the Pats win had to be disheartening for all of those teams fans.  I myself did not expect this outcome in week 1.

The Patriots have not had to compete against an elite QB in their division during the entirety of the Belichick/Brady era, so this does not surprise me at all. Business as usual in the AFC East. Yesterday's result also showed that anyone QBing for that team can win; on the road; against a great team even. Heck, they went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.

11-5 from a stacked 18-1 team.  Yes the team is well coached but Brady makes the difference to have a yearly chance to get to the Superbowl.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 12, 2016, 07:15:35 AM
The Patriots are going to have another great season.  Go figure.

I watched the Tampa Bay/Atlanta game, and it was very entertaining.  Not sure if TB has improved that much or Atlanta is worse.  Probably a bit of both, I suppose.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2016, 07:17:39 AM
There is something to be said about a Belichick coached team.  I don't think you can put just anyone in at QB but if you understand the system and have decent skill, you could win pretty consistently.  These guys who have filled in for Brady fit those molds, I wouldn't expect them to be 18-1 type teams without Brady but 10-11 wins is very possible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2016, 07:18:21 AM
I watched the Tampa Bay/Atlanta game, and it was very entertaining.  Not sure if TB has improved that much or Atlanta is worse.  Probably a bit of both, I suppose.

Tampa looked like a much improved team if you ask me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 12, 2016, 07:25:05 AM
There were a couple of incredible catches for TDs for Tampa Bay.  If Winston and his receivers stay on the same page like that all season, they will have a good year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 12, 2016, 07:31:03 AM
Huge win for the Chiefs against a division opponent. I think the AFC West is going to be the best division in the NFL this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: dparrott on September 12, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
Russell Wilson might miss his next start for the first time.  Thanks Suh.  Hawks looking for another QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 12, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
There is something to be said about a Belichick coached team.  I don't think you can put just anyone in at QB but if you understand the system and have decent skill, you could win pretty consistently.  These guys who have filled in for Brady fit those molds, I wouldn't expect them to be 18-1 type teams without Brady but 10-11 wins is very possible.
I think the quality of play that they were able to get out of Matt Cassell will always be the ultimate example of what Belichick and his coaching staff can do. He was positively abysmal everywhere else he went.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2016, 01:19:11 PM
Russell Wilson might miss his next start for the first time.  Thanks Suh.  Hawks looking for another QB.

Sam Bradford!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 12, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
Russell Wilson might miss his next start for the first time.  Thanks Suh.  Hawks looking for another QB.

Sam Bradford!

Sam Bradford might be hoisting a Lombardi Trophy. The NFC is up for grabs, and that Minnesota defense and running game are good enough to shock some folks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2016, 05:01:06 PM
Russell Wilson might miss his next start for the first time.  Thanks Suh.  Hawks looking for another QB.

Sam Bradford!

Sam Bradford might be hoisting a Lombardi Trophy. The NFC is up for grabs, and that Minnesota defense and running game are good enough to shock some folks.

I can't see them winning it all, but they are legit, especially after seeing how not great some of the supposed other NFC contenders looked this way. Carolina looked fine despite the loss, but Arizona, GB and Seattle all look like they have a ways to go.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cool Chris on September 12, 2016, 05:18:38 PM
LOLbert Griffin III is on IR. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING?

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 12, 2016, 05:32:33 PM
LOLbert Griffin III is on IR. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING?



Stay classy?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cool Chris on September 12, 2016, 05:44:36 PM
I know, glass houses, praying that Russell Wilson isn't hurt that bad. It's just RG3 just doesn't seem like he's going to carve out a career anywhere. It is unfortunate because of all the talent. It was a LOL at the team who signed him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2016, 06:02:29 PM
RG3 is just not a smart player.  He still hasn't figured out that sliding is the way to go, and that is why he broke a bone in his shoulder. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2016, 10:15:02 PM
I actually feel bad for LA football fans.  They finally got a team, one that is a complete and total embarrassment.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 12, 2016, 11:33:34 PM
This felt just like San Francisco's beatdown of Minnesota in their opening game last year. Except LA isn't going to turn it around to nearly the extent that Minnesota did.

San Francisco still doesn't have the quarterback or receivers to hang with anybody that can score, though. They didn't show much on offense tonight. They just got a ton opportunities due to the Rams being so inept. Gabbert also had about 3 passes that probably should've been intercepted.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 13, 2016, 05:16:20 AM
Shaping up to be another "Year of the QB". Congrats to all whose teams' won.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on September 13, 2016, 05:43:29 AM
Man, how is Jeff Fisher on year 5 when most NFL coaches get 1 or 2 bad years before getting fired?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2016, 06:34:16 AM
Man, how is Jeff Fisher on year 5 when most NFL coaches get 1 or 2 bad years before getting fired?

He must have pictures of someone having sex with a goat. There is no other way to explain it. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 13, 2016, 06:44:26 AM
Good game last night from the Steelers, strong first game in spite of injuries and suspensions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 13, 2016, 06:55:54 AM
Good game last night from the Steelers, strong first game in spite of injuries and suspensions.
Yeah, no kidding.

Good to see DeAngelo Williams play so strong.  I miss him, it was great having the one-two punch of him and Jonathan Stewart.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 13, 2016, 07:01:04 AM
Man, how is Jeff Fisher on year 5 when most NFL coaches get 1 or 2 bad years before getting fired?

He must have pictures of someone having sex with a goat. There is no other way to explain it.

How you didn't post that picture of Brady with a goat is mindblowing. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 13, 2016, 07:02:22 AM
Good to see DeAngelo Williams play so strong.  I miss him, it was great having the one-two punch of him and Jonathan Stewart.

DeAngelo has literally been a god-send in Pittsburgh while Bell has been hurt and/or suspended over the last couple years. Great back, can't say enough good about him. Hopefully they both stay health and in a couple weeks when Bell comes back the Steelers will have arguably the best one two running back punch in the league with Bell and Williams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 13, 2016, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: mikeyd23 link=topic=4 :o5952.msg2214375#msg2214375 date=1473770666
Good game last night from the Steelers, strong first game in spite of injuries and suspensions.
Yeah, no kidding.

Good to see DeAngelo Williams play so strong.  I miss him, it was great having the one-two punch of him and Jonathan Stewart.

That was an amazing one-two punch.

Best part of the game last night for me were those 2 perfect passes to Brown for TDs. Would have loved to seen what the offense would look like this year if Bryant was eligible.   :o
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 13, 2016, 09:24:51 AM
Greatest football headline I've read in some time (and a pretty funny/sad/patheticly informative article):

Rams set football back 100 years, 49ers pitch 28-0 shutout (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rams-set-football-back-100-years-49ers-pitch-28-0-shutout-6-things-to-know/)


Quote
LOOK AT IT. GAZE AT IT IN ALL ITS GLORY.

Final updated Rams drive chart. This is not a joke nor a drill:

PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
INT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
INT
PUNT
TURNOVER ON DOWNS


Quote
There was a fan who ran on the field, thankfully fully clothed, and he managed to pick up more yards than the Rams did. That might not be a joke.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2016, 09:30:13 AM
Quote
There was a fan who ran on the field, thankfully fully clothed, and he managed to pick up more yards than the Rams did. That might not be a joke.

:rollin
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Post by: axeman90210 on September 13, 2016, 09:40:58 AM
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 13, 2016, 10:51:15 AM
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There was a fan who ran on the field, thankfully fully clothed, and he managed to pick up more yards than the Rams did. That might not be a joke.

:rollin

HAHA.  That got a laugh out loud. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 13, 2016, 11:02:50 AM
I just saw the new color rush uniforms for the Pats and it didn't make me throw up.  I actually don't mind them.  It's not the putrid colors like the Jets and the Bills had last year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on September 13, 2016, 11:06:17 AM
Thankfully we're not wearing ours on Thursday to avoid confusing everyone who's red/green colorblind :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 13, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
Thankfully we're not wearing ours on Thursday to avoid confusing everyone who's red/green colorblind :lol

They changed all the teams colors though.  Check it out.  It's much better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 13, 2016, 11:56:33 AM
Greatest football headline I've read in some time (and a pretty funny/sad/patheticly informative article):

Rams set football back 100 years, 49ers pitch 28-0 shutout (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rams-set-football-back-100-years-49ers-pitch-28-0-shutout-6-things-to-know/)


Quote
LOOK AT IT. GAZE AT IT IN ALL ITS GLORY.

Final updated Rams drive chart. This is not a joke nor a drill:

PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
INT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
PUNT
INT
PUNT
TURNOVER ON DOWNS


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There was a fan who ran on the field, thankfully fully clothed, and he managed to pick up more yards than the Rams did. That might not be a joke.

The way the game caters to offense these days, that takes real effort to be that bad. Wow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 13, 2016, 02:05:53 PM
Eagles are probably thrilled with Wentz. Goff didn't even dress last night. Not dressing for a team that threw up a goose egg. Not a good look.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cool Chris on September 13, 2016, 05:39:02 PM
Quote
There was a fan who ran on the field, thankfully fully clothed, and he managed to pick up more yards than the Rams did. That might not be a joke.

Listen to Kevin Harlan on the radio call for that. It is epic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53GIbJusAAw
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 13, 2016, 05:55:37 PM
I know this is used all the time but it's so damn funny no matter the subject.  Though I love the subject!! :lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kd_Kgckn9I
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2016, 07:09:41 PM


Listen to Kevin Harlan on the radio call for that. It is epic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53GIbJusAAw

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Man, how is Jeff Fisher on year 5 when most NFL coaches get 1 or 2 bad years before getting fired?

He must have pictures of someone having sex with a goat. There is no other way to explain it.

How you didn't post that picture of Brady with a goat is mindblowing. :lol

Didn't have time to search for it this morning. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 14, 2016, 09:13:13 PM
It is now time for the return of the power rankings!!!

Post-Week 1 Power Rankings
1. Denver - the champs always stay at number 1 until they lose
2. New England - I am convinced Belichick could win 10+ games with just about anyone at QB
3. Pittsburgh - if their defense is even just average this year, their offense could carry them a long way
4. Minnesota - QB is obviously the big question mark, and Blair Walsh might still be a mess after that miss last January, but they are great everywhere else
5. Carolina - probably should have won last week; should still win 11-12 games again
6. Houston - Osweiler looks like nothing special, but they have lots of talent for him on offense, and that D is still damn good
7. Cincinnati - we cannot forget that this was a top team last year before Dalton went down
8. Green Bay - ugly win, but on the road against a talented Jaguars team wasn't easy
9. Baltimore - should return to being a playoff team this year, barring 149 injuries again
10. Oakland - I will give them props for a big opening day win at New Orleans, especially give that ballsy 2-point call at the end

Trending Up:

Tampa Bay - Winston is quietly proving a lot of doubters wrong
Jacksonville - despite the loss, they are a team on the rise, but do they have the right head coach?
Philadelphia - appear to have a good one in Wentz, although that could have just been the good luck of playing Cleveland week 1...

Trending Down:

Arizona - horrific loss by a team built to win now
Washington - I'll be shocked if this team wins the NFC East again this season
Los Angeles - those who vigorously defend the Rooney Rule should point at Jeff Fisher and say, "WTF??"
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 15, 2016, 06:57:28 AM
I'm genuinely worried about the Steelers' knees this Sunday. Wish it could just be a tough game like the Ravens games used to be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2016, 08:38:17 AM
2. New England - I am convinced Belichick could win 10+ games with just about anyone at QB


Along the lines of "Dancing with the Stars" and "America's Worst Cooks", I have an idea for a reality show when Bill calls it a day.

Ten contestants - and we can do the obligatory "celebrity" version - and each one gets to quarterback a Belichick coached team, and we get to see how successful they can be.   Tom Bergeron can host, and we can have guests like Troy Aikman, Robert Griffin III, and journeyman second-tier QBs like Doug Williams and Dan Pastorini.   Kurt Warner can make an appearance or be the guest host with Tom. 

This is a winner. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 15, 2016, 08:42:30 AM
I'm genuinely worried about the Steelers' knees this Sunday. Wish it could just be a tough game like the Ravens games used to be.

Yup, Sunday is a big game though, beating the Bengals at home would go a long way to help winning the division.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 15, 2016, 09:05:48 AM
2. New England - I am convinced Belichick could win 10+ games with just about anyone at QB


Along the lines of "Dancing with the Stars" and "America's Worst Cooks", I have an idea for a reality show when Bill calls it a day.

Ten contestants - and we can do the obligatory "celebrity" version - and each one gets to quarterback a Belichick coached team, and we get to see how successful they can be.   Tom Bergeron can host, and we can have guests like Troy Aikman, Robert Griffin III, and journeyman second-tier QBs like Doug Williams and Dan Pastorini.   Kurt Warner can make an appearance or be the guest host with Tom. 

This is a winner.

I would watch the shit out of that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2016, 09:23:38 AM
2. New England - I am convinced Belichick could win 10+ games with just about anyone at QB


Along the lines of "Dancing with the Stars" and "America's Worst Cooks", I have an idea for a reality show when Bill calls it a day.

Ten contestants - and we can do the obligatory "celebrity" version - and each one gets to quarterback a Belichick coached team, and we get to see how successful they can be.   Tom Bergeron can host, and we can have guests like Troy Aikman, Robert Griffin III, and journeyman second-tier QBs like Doug Williams and Dan Pastorini.   Kurt Warner can make an appearance or be the guest host with Tom. 

This is a winner.

I would watch the shit out of that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 15, 2016, 09:13:15 PM
Bills have hit a few big plays to stay in this game, but, by and large, the Jets have outclassed them tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 15, 2016, 09:40:20 PM
Jets won the game, but we can now put Todd Bowles on the list of coaches who do not understand simple math and game management.  It doesn't a genius to figure out that when you score a touchdown to go up 12 with a little over 4 minutes to go, you go for two to go up 14.  Even with extra points not being as automatic as they used to be, being up by 12 is the same as being up by 13 with that little time left, so you go for two.  Unreal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 16, 2016, 06:00:57 AM
Tremendous win by my Jets last night. Falling to 0-2 simply wasn't an option with the Pats doing good without Brady. It got a bit too close for comfort at times, but beating a division rival, especially one that previously had a five game winning streak against you, is extremely important and it allowed them to keep pace with New England and the rest of the AFC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on September 16, 2016, 06:11:54 AM
Jets won the game, but we can now put Todd Bowles on the list of coaches who do not understand simple math and game management.  It doesn't a genius to figure out that when you score a touchdown to go up 12 with a little over 4 minutes to go, you go for two to go up 14.  Even with extra points not being as automatic as they used to be, being up by 12 is the same as being up by 13 with that little time left, so you go for two.  Unreal.
Yeah, but that was a bizarre move in an otherwise very calm, collected, and disciplined coaching job by Bowles. After watching Rex stare wide mouthed at the jumbotron during Jets losses for 5 years, I really do have an appreciation for how stoic Bowles is on the sidelines. Overall he coached a good game, aside from a couple huge mistakes. Rex was his usual reckless self and it wasn't long before that started hurting him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 16, 2016, 06:23:30 AM
Rex losing never gets old for me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 16, 2016, 06:37:04 AM
Jets won the game, but we can now put Todd Bowles on the list of coaches who do not understand simple math and game management.  It doesn't a genius to figure out that when you score a touchdown to go up 12 with a little over 4 minutes to go, you go for two to go up 14.  Even with extra points not being as automatic as they used to be, being up by 12 is the same as being up by 13 with that little time left, so you go for two.  Unreal.
Yeah, but that was a bizarre move in an otherwise very calm, collected, and disciplined coaching job by Bowles. After watching Rex stare wide mouthed at the jumbotron during Jets losses for 5 years, I really do have an appreciation for how stoic Bowles is on the sidelines. Overall he coached a good game, aside from a couple huge mistakes. Rex was his usual reckless self and it wasn't long before that started hurting him.

He's also only in his second year as head coach. He still has a few things to learn but he's a very smart man who will figure these things out sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 16, 2016, 07:29:39 AM
...and the Bills are eliminated from playoff contention.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on September 16, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
...and the Bills are eliminated from playoff contention.

Pretty sure that happened last Thursday at kickoff :biggrin:


Yeah, I don't get Bowles not going for two after our last touchdown. I could understand if there was more time on the clock and a chance Buffalo could score a TD and kick two field goals, but with the time remaining you knew Buffalo was only going to get two more possessions. Overall a good game for the Jets minus three really big plays. It's almost impressive in a way that we put up 37 points, didn't allow the Bills into the red zone until there was a minute and a half left in the game, and still managed to have to hold off a last second play that would have given the Bills the win :lol

Something else I was thinking during the Jets last possession was whether they should have just kneeled three times and punted instead of running the ball with Forte. Odds of picking up a first down there are low, and you risk a fumble on every carry. If Buffalo had all three timeouts still I wouldn't have thought it, but knowing that Buffalo's getting the ball back with less than 30 seconds and no timeouts either way if you punt I might rather eliminate the risk of a turnover.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 16, 2016, 10:16:29 AM
Jets won the game, but we can now put Todd Bowles on the list of coaches who do not understand simple math and game management.  It doesn't a genius to figure out that when you score a touchdown to go up 12 with a little over 4 minutes to go, you go for two to go up 14.  Even with extra points not being as automatic as they used to be, being up by 12 is the same as being up by 13 with that little time left, so you go for two.  Unreal.

Yeah, that didn't make a whole lot of since especially when the Bills had an opportunity at the end of the game.  The only reason the Bills got outclassed is because Rex is coach.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 16, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.  Bills OC gets canned after week 2. :lol  That's gotta be a fuckin' record.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 16, 2016, 05:05:42 PM
Not like the Bills offense has been that good (awful last week, mostly bad last night except for two big plays), but firing the OC and not the DC makes zero sense.  Except of course when we remind ourselves that Rex's brother is the DC.  Last night was more of a must win for the Jets anyway, because they have a legit shot at the playoffs; the Bills were a non-contender before last night already.  Rex Ryan is merely a clown show at this point in time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 16, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
It sounds like a shot over the bow by the owners. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 16, 2016, 05:23:07 PM
Speaking of head coaches, I was talking to someone the other day, and he thought I was nuts when I said you could argue for Kubiak being the 5th best.  His overall record is only 74-68, but that is skewed by him taking over a 2-14 Texans team early on in their history.  Plus, he has never had an above average QB (at the time, for those who want to count Peyton Manning, who was over the hill last year), and we all know how hard it is to win a lot of games over the long haul without a really good/great QB; he has done it.

I'd put Belichick 1st (obviously), and 2-4 are, IMO, Carroll, John Harbaugh and Andy Reid.

In 5th, you could argue for Kubiak, Rivera, Tomlin or McCarthy.  Bruce Arians and Mike Zimmer would probably round out my top 10, but they need more experience and playoff wins to get any higher than 9 and 10, IMO. 

Sean Payton has won a Super Bowl, but I can't put him top 10 anymore; their defense is too awful year after year, and that starts with him.

Marvin Lewis would be up there if he had even a single playoff win...but he doesn't. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Other than Belichick, I'm not sure there are any active future hall of fame coaches anymore.  The coaching in this league changes so much now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 17, 2016, 07:07:26 AM
That's true, but some of these coaches will evolve into future Hall of Famers with another ring or two.  Guys who have recently stopped coaching like Coughlin and Shanahan are likely future Hall of Famers.

Speaking of which, how in the world is Tony Dungy in the Hall of Fame as a coach, while Mike Holmgren and Bill Cowher aren't?  That is awfully curious.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2016, 11:24:27 AM
Damn, Jimmy Garoppolo looks good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2016, 11:30:02 AM
It's the system.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Ravens defense stinks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2016, 11:41:50 AM
Damn, Jimmy Garoppolo looks good.
Yeah, and he's playing well, too! ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: axeman90210 on September 18, 2016, 11:45:33 AM
Damn, Jimmy Garoppolo looks good.

I swear to God if you guys are lucking into another stud QB just as Brady's career is winding down...  :censored
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2016, 11:47:44 AM
It's the system.  :biggrin:

We'll see about Denver's system won't we! ;D

Damn, Jimmy Garoppolo looks good.

I swear to God if you guys are lucking into another stud QB just as Brady's career is winding down...  :censored

It will be tough, you know Brady won't let go.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2016, 12:16:53 PM
It's the system.  :biggrin:

We'll see about Denver's system won't we! ;D


Denver didn't have a system; Peyton Manning was the system.

The offense the Broncos will run this year is the real Kubiak offense, which they did not run last year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
Son of a bitch. Jimmy G is hurt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2016, 01:08:01 PM
The Giants are shooting themselves in the foot on every possession. However the defense and special teams are playing lights out. Hopefully they can keep up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: dparrott on September 18, 2016, 01:52:04 PM
Seahawks in L.A. today, wish I could afford to go.  Going on 34 years since I went to an NFL game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: dparrott on September 18, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Rams wearing classic blue and yellow, that's what it should be!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2016, 02:18:39 PM
Only the Cleveland Browns could lose a game by blowing a 20-point lead where the momentum changed by a blocked extra point being returned for 2 points. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 18, 2016, 03:28:47 PM
LOL Browns.  Wasn't it 20-2 in the 1st Qtr?   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2016, 05:29:15 PM
Broncos D winning games still!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
Love this defense so much.  Tough effort by Luck, but he had very little help.

Gus Bradley is in the conversation for worst head coach.  All of that talent in Jacksonville, and they can't get it together.

Kirk Cousins has looked like dog shit this year so far.

And can we all now laugh at the idea that the Raiders were gonna be a contender?  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 18, 2016, 06:36:33 PM
And can we all now laugh at the idea that the Raiders were gonna be a contender?  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
For a defensive coach with one of the best defensive players in the league (Mack), their defense is unacceptably terrible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 18, 2016, 08:20:48 PM
So relieved it was a nice clean game between Pit-Cin. Terrible rainy sloppy conditions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 18, 2016, 08:23:37 PM
It's the 3rd quarter. Rodgers has attempted 17 passes fo 69 yards. AP has 12 yds on 9 carries. Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Cool Chris on September 18, 2016, 08:28:52 PM
So, was gone all day, and come home to a 9-3 loss to the Rams. Good thing everyone picked Seattle in the Pick 'Em.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: splent on September 18, 2016, 09:57:09 PM
Grrrrrr what an awful loss by the packers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 18, 2016, 11:01:32 PM
Sam Bradford looked good. The Vikings could very well have an upgrade on their hands. It's a shame Peterson went down, though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 19, 2016, 06:46:04 AM
So relieved it was a nice clean game between Pit-Cin. Terrible rainy sloppy conditions.

This.

Good win by the Steelers, Williams was amazing again and Ben was, well, Ben. This offense is shaping up to be what most thought it would be, really good. And the defense has played better than expected through the first two games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 19, 2016, 01:18:25 PM
Panthers took the foot off the pedal at the start of the 4th to give the 49ers hope, but eventually righted themselves and finished the blowout.

Offense had a pretty good day.  Cam over 350 yards passing and 4 TDs, two receivers over 100 yards receiving, and backup RB Fozzy Whitaker got 100 yards rushing after Jonathan Stewart got injured.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: bosk1 on September 19, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Thanks for the facts.   :\
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 19, 2016, 02:12:23 PM
As good as Rodgers is, man he can have some really shitty games sometimes.  On the other hand, Bradford looked like Rodgers on a good day.  Who knew?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 19, 2016, 02:16:12 PM
Thanks for the facts.   :\
:tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Accelerando on September 19, 2016, 03:43:03 PM
Its time for the Pack to get rid of Dom Capers. I'm getting sick and tired of watching these weak coverages and wide open receivers, and playing zone when we need to play man to man. His reckless call playing on defense has cost us some games and chances to go far in the playoffs in the past few years. Time for a change.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 19, 2016, 03:53:48 PM
It it time for McCarthy to go too? It's been some time since his offense has looked good, even with arguably the best quarterback in the NFL. He never seems to adjust.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Accelerando on September 19, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Yeah, McCarthy's game management isn't up to par either, but i've been more upset on defensive schemes than our offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 19, 2016, 05:46:26 PM
I don't even know what GB does on offense anymore.  Seems like almost all of their pass plays consist of Rodgers dropping back and waiting for someone to get open. Where are the timing routes?  Where are the designed plays?  There is no imagination whatsoever to their offense anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Accelerando on September 19, 2016, 08:45:10 PM
You are on the money. I've been trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with our offense since last season. I never thought the absence of Jordy Nelson was the issue. You are absolutely right. We've had a few really good slant route looks during yesterdays game, but otherwise the offense doesn't look it's having any fun. It's looks like a chore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 19, 2016, 09:12:32 PM
Da Bears.  O-line stinks.  Dropped passes.  Cutler gets hurt.  Hoyer can't throw.  Philly winning.  Snooze fest.

Oh wait, Bears with 65 yd TD punt return.  Exciting.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: T-ski on September 20, 2016, 08:45:41 AM
Its time for the Pack to get rid of Dom Capers. I'm getting sick and tired of watching these weak coverages and wide open receivers, and playing zone when we need to play man to man. His reckless call playing on defense has cost us some games and chances to go far in the playoffs in the past few years. Time for a change.

Capers has his issues but the defense has been more than effective the last few years.

the real problem is the coach/qb relationship.  Rodgers is lost right now and McCarthy is too stubborn to change his game plan to compensate for it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 20, 2016, 10:31:10 AM
I am certainly a Panthers fanboy, but it seems odd that the ESPN Power Rankings have us ranked fourth, ahead of the Broncos (5th), who we lost to.

Maybe later in the season, head-to-head might not matter as much, which is understandable.  But this after only two games.

I mean, it's a poll in a sport that doesn't require a poll, so it's basically meaningless.  It's just curious.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: bosk1 on September 20, 2016, 10:54:44 AM
Eh, it's only week 2.  The power rankings are all kinds of screwed up right now and seem to be based on more on knee-jerk reactions than normal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 20, 2016, 11:00:49 AM
Yeah Hef.  Take your own advise and try not to be too hasty.  It's only week 2.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2016, 11:11:43 AM
I think that it's from ESPN says enough.  I can't stand ESPN anymore. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 20, 2016, 11:18:57 AM
I am certainly a Panthers fanboy, but it seems odd that the ESPN Power Rankings have us ranked fourth, ahead of the Broncos (5th), who we lost to.

Maybe later in the season, head-to-head might not matter as much, which is understandable.  But this after only two games.

I mean, it's a poll in a sport that doesn't require a poll, so it's basically meaningless.  It's just curious.

I'm alright with the ranking. Both teams have great defenses and great offensive weapons, but Carolina has MUCH better play at QB. 

They lost on the road by a field goal hooking left. No shame in that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 20, 2016, 11:22:44 AM
I don't see how the Patriots wouldn't be #1 in every ranking so far. Looks what they've done with no Gronk and no Brady.   Also, I still believe that top to bottom the best conference in the NFL is the AFC West.

Current 2-0 Teams
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Houston
Giants
Eagles
Vikings
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Shooters1221 on September 20, 2016, 11:41:35 AM
I should give a crap about 'power rankings' why??? Is it for fantasy, or gambling, or what?  ???
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 20, 2016, 11:52:42 AM
I should give a crap about 'power rankings' why??? Is it for fantasy, or gambling, or what?  ???
It is not for any of those things. There is literally no purpose other than to generate web traffic.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 20, 2016, 12:52:06 PM
It's for people who may enjoy that sort of thing.

You are obviously not one of those people, so it's irrelevant.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Skeever on September 20, 2016, 02:02:38 PM
Yeah we need more time to feel out certain teams. At this point I'm far more interested in the middle of the pack teams.

If the Eagles beat the Steelers next week and look good doing it, we have to put them in the conversation as a favorite to win the NFC East. Wentz seems like the real deal.

If the Jets can adapt early enough to Darelle Revis being lost at sea, they will be a strong wildcard contender.

We need time to see if Sam Bradford is the lifeline the Vikings needed. Honestly, I don't think AP going down is going to matter much in the grand scheme.

And there are a handful of other teams you simply can't write off right now. I feel like the AFC West and NFC West will be wide open until the end. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: bosk1 on September 20, 2016, 02:11:32 PM
I just find it weird to use "favorite" and "NFC East" in the same sentence.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 20, 2016, 03:25:03 PM
Seahawks in L.A. today, wish I could afford to go.  Going on 34 years since I went to an NFL game.

That's a Looooooong time, Brother!  We'll see if we can get you too a game this season :)  I have 8 seats, if there are openings, I'll give you a shout.  Or PM me and we can chat about it!  The game Sunday was just so much fun.  Yeah it was hotter than Hades, and yes our Offense was pretty anemic, but other than that it was AWESOME!!!!!!  So frikken loud!  I had Seattle fans nearby who are from up there and go to games, they said that we were louder than they were at home..WOW!!!  It was super loud there, not so much on TV.  I'm guessing it has to do with stadium design and/or where the audio is taken from.  We will be doing the Tailgate in Lot 6 for every game also  :tup


Rams wearing classic blue and yellow, that's what it should be!

It was a sight to behold for sure.  One I NEVER thought I'd see.  Add to that, when the Hall of Famer's lit the torch...wow.... I'm here to tell you, you could see the old time fans (yours truly included) around us getting choked up.


Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: pogoowner on September 20, 2016, 03:54:34 PM
Rams wearing classic blue and yellow, that's what it should be!

It was a sight to behold for sure.  One I NEVER thought I'd see.  Add to that, when the Hall of Famer's lit the torch...wow.... I'm here to tell you, you could see the old time fans (yours truly included) around us getting choked up.
They should really stick with those uniforms full-time. So much better than the current ones.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 20, 2016, 04:50:55 PM

They should really stick with those uniforms full-time. So much better than the current ones.

That's what the vast majority of us Angelino fans have been saying since the Jan 20 announcement.  It will be interesting to see if they listen, we'll find out in 2019.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 20, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
I don't see how the Patriots wouldn't be #1 in every ranking so far. Looks what they've done with no Gronk and no Brady.   Also, I still believe that top to bottom the best conference in the NFL is the AFC West.

Current 2-0 Teams
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Houston
Giants
Eagles
Vikings

The AFC West is not a conference.  :biggrin:

Oh, and nice work leaving the Broncos out of that list of 2-0 teams.  Such a Chiefs fan. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 20, 2016, 05:48:37 PM
Okay, time for the REAL power rankings...

Post-Week 2 Power Rankings
1. Denver - defense is still scary good
2. New England - No Brady and no Gronk, no problem
3. Pittsburgh - their best might be as good as anyone else's again, but can they avoid the ugly losses to bad teams this year?
4. Minnesota - Bradford to Diggs..who would've thought that would be top week 2 connection?
5. Carolina - arguably still the team to beat in the NFC
6. Houston - we'll know how for real they really are two nights from now
7. NY Giants - defense looks much improved this year, but the offense needs to get on track
8. Cincinnati - tough loss, but still a playoff caliber team
9. Baltimore - ugly win, but 2-0 is 2-0
10. Arizona - good bounce back after that week 1 disaster

Trending Up:

Philadelphia - have beaten two terrible teams, but appear to be on the rise nonetheless, and Wentz should be a good one
Atlanta - can they follow up that road win with another?
NY Jets - looked really good in winning at Buffalo, but their upcoming schedule is brutal

Trending Down:

Buffalo - I didn't think they'd be a legit playoff contender, but they are worse than I thought they'd be
Washington - Cousins has regressed big time already
Jacksonville - so much talent, such bad coaching
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 21, 2016, 06:43:39 AM
I don't see how the Patriots wouldn't be #1 in every ranking so far. Looks what they've done with no Gronk and no Brady.   Also, I still believe that top to bottom the best conference in the NFL is the AFC West.

Current 2-0 Teams
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Houston
Giants
Eagles
Vikings

The AFC West is not a conference.  :biggrin:

Oh, and nice work leaving the Broncos out of that list of 2-0 teams.  Such a Chiefs fan. :lol :lol :lol

My bad! Was an honest over site. Honestly, I think Denver is better this year than last. I 100% agree with your top 3. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see a Steeler vs. Cardinal Super Bowl rematch this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 21, 2016, 10:32:13 AM
Peterson to miss significant time with surgery.

Vikings should be just fine.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 21, 2016, 05:21:58 PM
Peterson to miss significant time with surgery.

Vikings should be just fine.

Many seem to think they will far apart now, but I don't think so either.  Their defense is still nails, Asiata and McKinnon will be a good RB combo, and they have the weapons in the passing game to do some damage.  Bradford just has to stay healthy for once.

  Honestly, I think Denver is better this year than last. 

I can't go that far yet.  The defense is still awesome, but we'll see if the depth is as good and how they do without Ware for a while. 

The running game is certainly better. 

Siemian needs to start making some plays downfield. I get why they babied him the other day, and it worked out well since the running game and the defense won the game, but with the Colts missing a ton of cornerbacks, a few shots down field would have been nice.  Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders are one of the top 1-2 punches at WR in the league and need to be utilized as such, which I am sure they will be as Kubiak gets more confident in Siemian.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: PowerSlave on September 21, 2016, 11:45:14 PM
The Viking's pass protection (or a lack there of) might be their undoing. They are great at run blocking, but they looked really bad in the pass sunday.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2016, 06:03:28 AM
Peterson to miss significant time with surgery.

Vikings should be just fine.

Many seem to think they will far apart now, but I don't think so either.  Their defense is still nails, Asiata and McKinnon will be a good RB combo, and they have the weapons in the passing game to do some damage.  Bradford just has to stay healthy for once.

Did I hear correctly that they signed Ronnie Hillman?  Not a bad back; I think he had 800+yds last year.  Not Peterson, but still a decent threat. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Architeuthis on September 22, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
All teams in the NFC west are 1-1.  Seahawks loss to the Rams was painful but I'm glad for the Rams franchise for getting a win on their homecoming to LA. The Rams and Seahawks defense both played lights out. Of course having a banged up Russel Wilson, Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett, and Thomas Rawls didn't help Seattle's offense at all. Not to mention poor pass protection with a seemingly weak O-line. Wilson has a sprained ankle and can't scramble, they should have taken Wilson out for the game and used Boykin who looked great in pre-season.  I think the Rams loss to the 49ers was just a fluke and they will step it up. Hopefully the Seahawks can beat the 49ers in Seattle this Sunday. Go Hawks!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 05:42:45 PM
Peterson to miss significant time with surgery.

Vikings should be just fine.

Many seem to think they will far apart now, but I don't think so either.  Their defense is still nails, Asiata and McKinnon will be a good RB combo, and they have the weapons in the passing game to do some damage.  Bradford just has to stay healthy for once.

Did I hear correctly that they signed Ronnie Hillman?  Not a bad back; I think he had 800+yds last year.  Not Peterson, but still a decent threat.

He's not that good.  He is quick, but fumbles too much and isn't what we call "football smart."  A lot of Broncos fans weren't sad to see him go.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 06:11:25 PM
A million times yes and thank you D'Angelo Williams.

https://www.today.com/health/deangelo-williams-pays-53-mammograms-honor-mom-who-died-breast-t50306
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 07:06:29 PM
Pats looking good so far on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
My brother and I were texting earlier and we agreed that the Texans would play gutless and not to lose, and it looks like we were right.  They are a fraud.

Meanwhile, Belichick is showing again that it doesn't matter who the Patriots QB is. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 07:09:14 PM
They need to throw to win. You're right their play calling looks tentative.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 07:31:58 PM
On the inside right now, this is Belichick remembering how many thought they'd struggle to win games without Brady...(https://media.giphy.com/media/DuIhqmZ3rfECk/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
We all know everyone has egos.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 08:25:23 PM
I would never question the awesomeness of J.J. Watt, but his team is getting its ass handed to it by a team starting their 3rd string QB and he has been invisible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 08:31:45 PM
He's always been invisible vs. the Pat's.  The opposite of Von Miller.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 08:35:14 PM
I'd like to thank the Texans, too, for overpaying Brock Osweiler.  The Broncos might have question marks at the QB position still, but at least they aren't paying an average at best starter way too much.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
From the outside we thought he was insane but so far we should have known better.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
If Brady was QB this would be waaaaaay out of control.   I truly believe that barring injury,  this them has one hell of a chance for another Superbowl chance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 09:24:45 PM
For sure.  In 15 of the last 21 Super Bowls, the AFC representative has been either the Patriots, Broncos or Steelers, and I see no reason to think that this year won't make it 16 out of 22.  I can't imagine any team but those three making it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
It all comes down to health for all 3 teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Dream Team on September 22, 2016, 09:31:18 PM
The Cardinals, Dolphins, and Texans are a disgrace to their cities and fans for rolling over like punks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2016, 09:32:18 PM
I know some of you will object to this, but imagine if Peyton Manning had played his whole career with Belichick.  They might have won as many rings as Bill Russell.  Scary to think about.

Like it or not, this start really does elevate Belichick (who was already possibly the best coach ever) and dings Brady a tad. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
The Cardinals, Dolphins, and Texans are a disgrace to their cities and fans for rolling over like punks.

Wrong. They were steamrolled.

Kev absolutely.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 23, 2016, 04:05:55 AM
3-0 without Brady..... this is getting scary!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2016, 06:07:40 AM
Belichick needs a Bar Rescue-style show where he visits different NFL teams and builds gameplans for crappy teams to win a game.
         
https://twitter.com/bykevinclark/status/779157222500601856

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: kaos2900 on September 23, 2016, 06:31:26 AM
I'd like to thank the Texans, too, for overpaying Brock Osweiler.  The Broncos might have question marks at the QB position still, but at least they aren't paying an average at best starter way too much.

That loss was not all on Osweiler. Miller couldn't get the run game going and none of the Texans WR's, other than Hopkins, could get open.

I know some of you will object to this, but imagine if Peyton Manning had played his whole career with Belichick.  They might have won as many rings as Bill Russell.  Scary to think about.

Like it or not, this start really does elevate Belichick (who was already possibly the best coach ever) and dings Brady a tad. 

This doesn't ding Brady at all. Brisett didn't keep the Texans from scoring any points. This game could have been way different if the Texans didn't fumble TWO kick-offs.

 
The Cardinals, Dolphins, and Texans are a disgrace to their cities and fans for rolling over like punks.

Umm, did you watch any of those games? The Cardinals and Dolphins did nothing resembling rolling over.

3-0 without Brady..... this is getting scary!
Yep. And also no Gronk. If their defense continues to improve they'd be my lock for the AFC Champ.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 23, 2016, 06:42:26 AM
Well since there's almost no chance of the Bills beating the Pats, that game last night ended any hope of the Jets possibly stealing the division. It looks like they'll be fighting for a wildcard spot and this is all ignoring the brutal five game stretch ahead. I feel the nightmare starting again and there's nothing I can do to stop it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 06:48:18 AM
What makes me as a Pat's fan happy is this is really sticking into the craw of all the owners who had their agenda against the Pats and no matter what they try to do (sticking their lap dog Goodell after them) they are failing again.

Hey owners, it's your fault you're not that good year in, year out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2016, 07:33:42 AM
I'd like to thank the Texans, too, for overpaying Brock Osweiler.  The Broncos might have question marks at the QB position still, but at least they aren't paying an average at best starter way too much.

That loss was not all on Osweiler. Miller couldn't get the run game going and none of the Texans WR's, other than Hopkins, could get open.

I know some of you will object to this, but imagine if Peyton Manning had played his whole career with Belichick.  They might have won as many rings as Bill Russell.  Scary to think about.

Like it or not, this start really does elevate Belichick (who was already possibly the best coach ever) and dings Brady a tad. 

This doesn't ding Brady at all. Brisett didn't keep the Texans from scoring any points. This game could have been way different if the Texans didn't fumble TWO kick-offs.

 
The Cardinals, Dolphins, and Texans are a disgrace to their cities and fans for rolling over like punks.

Umm, did you watch any of those games? The Cardinals and Dolphins did nothing resembling rolling over.

3-0 without Brady..... this is getting scary!
Yep. And also no Gronk. If their defense continues to improve they'd be my lock for the AFC Champ.

I like everything about this post.  Spot on, with one exception:  it wasn't ALL on Osweiler, but a lot of it was.  He did not look good, and even Phil Simms at one point said "Osweiler just doesn't look like he knows what he's doing."   Of course, he also said "I think I could go out there now and run this offense" about the Pats, so....

Look, this doesn't ding Brady one bit and here's why:   Brissett played as well as he had to, and the offense was geared to him.  If Wade Phillips was able to stop Cam Newton like a Pop Warner player in the Super Bowl (and he DID), you can't convince me that he couldn't scheme a plan that would have wrecked the Pats offense last night.   Where Belichick is smart is that he knows he only has to do this once or twice more.   If the Pats have to get into a shootout, they're not going to look as good as they did last night.   And Brissett had help:  I'm not saying it was all Texans playing bad, but how they let LeGarrett Blount into the secondary so many times is beyond me.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 07:42:37 AM
If Brady played it would have been 45-0.  We've seen this over the years.  People want to say it's Belichick that makes Brady and he is a system QB.  The reason why they have a chance every year for a decade and 1/2 is because both drive this team. 

Look at the game management last night. Brissett was used perfectly.  That's what makes Belichick great. He adapts.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2016, 07:43:05 AM
Belichick also knows Obrien well and as a mentor to the student, schooled him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
You would think that would be an asset to the Texans but they seemed unprepared.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2016, 07:51:10 AM
If Brady played it would have been 45-0.  We've seen this over the years.  People want to say it's Belichick that makes Brady and he is a system QB.  The reason why they have a chance every year for a decade and 1/2 is because both drive this team. 

Look at the game management last night. Brissett was used perfectly.  That's what makes Belichick great. He adapts.

I think that is the one thing that most people miss about Belichick.  Is he a genius?  Well, to the extent a football coach can be, yes.  But his greatest quality - and one I aspire to - is his innate sense of when to be rigid (DO YOUR JOB, not succumbing to the whining of Wes Welker and (the first time) LeGarrett Blount for "mo' money!") and when to be flexible:  he can coach a down-field aerial offense, he can coach a West Coast offense, he can coach a grind-em-out Pittsburgh running game offense, and everything in between.  He gets the best FOOTBALL PLAYERS (NOT the same thing as "best athletes") and builds the scheme around them, not the other way around (like Chip Kelly).    Yes, he's a "system guy", but people don't realize that system is changing almost every game. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
And by the way, I get SUPREME satisfaction out of the fact that the NFL changed the stupid touchback rules for one reason and one reason only, and it took Belichick all of one game to completely and utterly undermine it and actually force the exact OPPOSITE result (i.e., he's been short-kicking the kickoffs and there have been more returns than ever, most stopped well short of the 25 yard line). 

There could not possibly be a bigger implied, unspoken FUCK YOU to Roger Goodell than that. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2016, 08:01:46 AM
And by the way, I get SUPREME satisfaction out of the fact that the NFL changed the stupid touchback rules for one reason and one reason only, and it took Belichick all of one game to completely and utterly undermine it and actually force the exact OPPOSITE result (i.e., he's been short-kicking the kickoffs and there have been more returns than ever, most stopped well short of the 25 yard line). 

There could not possibly be a bigger implied, unspoken FUCK YOU to Roger Goodell than that.

I really don't like these new NFL kick off rules and am loving this move.  It makes sense for the coaches to do it if your kicker can accurately kick it to right in front of the endzone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2016, 08:30:00 AM
Belichick needs a Bar Rescue-style show where he visits different NFL teams and builds gameplans for crappy teams to win a game.
         
https://twitter.com/bykevinclark/status/779157222500601856

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

That is so awesome!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 23, 2016, 08:41:31 AM
As much as I don't like the Pats, you gotta admire and respect an organization that has the ability to plug n play at just about any position.  Also, in a so-called QB driven league, it really isn't just about the QB as the Pats have clearly demonstrated.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 23, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
Yeah, I can't stand the Patriots in general, but my respect for Belicheck and his staff is immense.  That was a master class last night.

Bar Rescue lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 23, 2016, 09:44:58 AM
Yeah, I can't stand the Patriots in general, but my respect for Belicheck and his staff is immense.  That was a master class last night.

Bar Rescue lol

This. People wouldn't hate them so much if they sucked.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: Architeuthis on September 23, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
The Cardinals, Dolphins, and Texans are a disgrace to their cities and fans for rolling over like punks.
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In what way have the Cardinals been a disgrace?   ???  They have been playing well for the last 4 years, and have been a tough rival for the Seahawks in the NFC west.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 23, 2016, 01:08:16 PM
Evidently, Brissett suffered a torn ligament in his right thumb last night.  May require surgery.  Edleman's turn. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2016, 01:10:48 PM
Evidently, Brissett suffered a torn ligament in his right thumb last night.  May require surgery.  Edleman's turn. :lol

I got to imagine they pick up a vet to play the one game if Brissett can't play and keep Edleman as the back up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
The Cardinals, Dolphins, and Texans are a disgrace to their cities and fans for rolling over like punks.
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In what way have the Cardinals been a disgrace?   ???  They have been playing well for the last 4 years, and have been a tough rival for the Seahawks in the NFC west.

That's how Steelers fans think.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 23, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Evidently, Brissett suffered a torn ligament in his right thumb last night.  May require surgery.  Edleman's turn. :lol

I got to imagine they pick up a vet to play the one game if Brissett can't play and keep Edleman as the back up.

Or pick up a vet as the backup.  Should be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 01:25:28 PM
The talk here is he played most of the 3rd and all of the 4th with that injury.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 23, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
I'm available, Coach.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
I'm available, Coach.

I would pay to see the jersey on you.  Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2016, 02:44:57 PM
I would pay to see it off.  :heybaby:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 03:09:27 PM
 :lol

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 05:50:05 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2016, 06:00:53 PM
 Awesome!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
I'd like to thank the Texans, too, for overpaying Brock Osweiler.  The Broncos might have question marks at the QB position still, but at least they aren't paying an average at best starter way too much.

That loss was not all on Osweiler. Miller couldn't get the run game going and none of the Texans WR's, other than Hopkins, could get open.


I didn't say it was all on Osweiler, but he looked bad. Guys were getting open at times, and he missed some of them badly.  Plus, he looked shaky in the pocket from the start.  I still don't begrudge him for taking the money and running, but I am sure happy he did.

More than anything, the loss last night is on Bill O'Brien, who is not very good. 

And by the way, I get SUPREME satisfaction out of the fact that the NFL changed the stupid touchback rules for one reason and one reason only, and it took Belichick all of one game to completely and utterly undermine it and actually force the exact OPPOSITE result (i.e., he's been short-kicking the kickoffs and there have been more returns than ever, most stopped well short of the 25 yard line). 

There could not possibly be a bigger implied, unspoken FUCK YOU to Roger Goodell than that.

Okay, but he isn't the only coach doing that, so as awesome as I think Belichick is, this is one case where people over exaggerate his "genius."

If Brady played it would have been 45-0.  We've seen this over the years.  People want to say it's Belichick that makes Brady and he is a system QB.  The reason why they have a chance every year for a decade and 1/2 is because both drive this team. 
 

Right, but I would submit that if Belichick had had merely good or average quarterbacks for the last 15 years, he'd probably still have a few rings (especially since Brady wasn't a stud QB yet when they won the first two or even three). 

On the flip side, had Brady ended up on a team with an average or good head coaches for all of his career, he'd be lucky to have one.

I can put it this way: some guys were gonna be awesome no matter where they played or who they played for.  Peyton Manning, Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders are three guys like that. 

Then there are players who were awesome because they landed in very fortunate spots and made things go their way as a result.  Tom Brady, Emmitt Smith and Kurt Warner are three guys like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 06:28:17 PM
Kev, that's why they are at 4. That's my point. Both have got the Pat's to this high of a level.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2016, 06:30:03 PM
I agree, but I think Belichick is slightly more important to their success.  And I would say that Belichick has a far better claim to being the best NFL head coach ever than Brady does to being the best quarterback.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 07:05:39 PM
Well I rank Brady 2 all time so I can agree by a hair. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
Well I rank Brady 2 all time so I can agree by a hair. ;D

Geez, and this whole time I thought you were a homer!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 07:14:24 PM
Brady wins one more I'll put him above his idol.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2016, 07:18:00 PM
I didn't know Peyton Manning was his idol.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
What's maddening is how many they left on the table. '06, '07,'11, last year...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2016, 07:22:20 PM
Realistically though, just about every playoff season the Belichick/Brady era Patriots have had, featured games that could have gone either way.  All four of their Super Bowls wins had them winning at least one game in the playoffs where if you change a play here or a play there, they lose.  So while they could be at seven or eight titles, they could also be at one or two. Just goes to show how narrow the margin often is between winning and losing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
I didn't know Peyton Manning was his idol.

Brady does like his commercials.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2016, 07:28:31 PM
Nothing beats that new car smell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 23, 2016, 07:34:03 PM
I'm here.  I can hear you.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2016, 07:52:22 PM
Realistically though, just about every playoff season the Belichick/Brady era Patriots have had, featured games that could have gone either way.  All four of their Super Bowls wins had them winning at least one game in the playoffs where if you change a play here or a play there, they lose.  So while they could be at seven or eight titles, they could also be at one or two. Just goes to show how narrow the margin often is between winning and losing.

That's true, Kev. Probably won what they should've. To think a first down or a defensive stop in either SB against the Giants would've won it, balanced against the Tuck Rule, or the crazy 4th quarter against the Ravens in the AFC CG a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: splent on September 23, 2016, 09:25:33 PM
Its time for the Pack to get rid of Dom Capers. I'm getting sick and tired of watching these weak coverages and wide open receivers, and playing zone when we need to play man to man. His reckless call playing on defense has cost us some games and chances to go far in the playoffs in the past few years. Time for a change.

Capers has his issues but the defense has been more than effective the last few years.

the real problem is the coach/qb relationship.  Rodgers is lost right now and McCarthy is too stubborn to change his game plan to compensate for it.

Capers D isn't the problem this year except for secondary coverage. Their run D looks phenomenal this year, so much better than other years. Granted, that's not saying much in the first two weeks, but it's def improved. The offense looks more and more stagnant. McCarthy is the problem since he's calling the plays and he may end up on the hot seat before too long if something doesn't change. Aaron doesn't look himself. He's looking more like Favre trying to force everything. People are blaming Edgar Bennett, but he's not the problem, since he's not calling the plays. I'd like to see him actually get more input on plays. Clements too. When he was QB coach Rodgers was on par. I wonder if there's some internal tension between McCarthy and Rodgers. And blaming it on Olivia Munn is stupid.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 24, 2016, 05:44:36 AM
Realistically though, just about every playoff season the Belichick/Brady era Patriots have had, featured games that could have gone either way.  All four of their Super Bowls wins had them winning at least one game in the playoffs where if you change a play here or a play there, they lose.  So while they could be at seven or eight titles, they could also be at one or two. Just goes to show how narrow the margin often is between winning and losing.

That's true, Kev. Probably won what they should've. To think a first down or a defensive stop in either SB against the Giants would've won it, balanced against the Tuck Rule, or the crazy 4th quarter against the Ravens in the AFC CG a couple of years ago.

Yep.  Granted, watching your team win Super Bowls in narrow fashion is always more fun than watching them dominate, IMO.  More stressful, but the payoff is more rewarding.  Take my Broncos...

1997 is still my favorite sports moment ever, watching the Broncos run through the AFC and then upset the Packers in the Super Bowl to win their first Super Bowl. That was one of those 'I can't believe that just happen' moments.

Same thing with last year, where I could point to a single play in like 12 games, some of which weren't even in Broncos games, where if they turn out differently, they probably don't win the Super Bowl, but they did, and it was totally awesome.

On the flip side, while the 2nd consecutive title in 1998 was most awesome, it was more like "whew, thank God they didn't blow it," since they were clearly the best team that year and you just prayed they wouldn't blow it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 24, 2016, 06:04:04 AM
I've almost stroked out so many times Kev. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: orcus116 on September 25, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
If this entire Giants-Redskins game is just the broadcast team and camera crew following Beckham and Gordon FOX should be fined.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on September 25, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
If this entire Giants-Redskins game is just the broadcast team and camera crew following Beckham and Gordon FOX should be fined.

It's been so annoying during all of the pregame shows too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 12:20:06 PM
I think it's about time for Minnesota to cut bait with Blair Walsh, who clearly isn't over the miss in the playoffs last year.  Hard to be a top contender when your kicker is that erratic.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2016, 01:49:49 PM
Hot damn Kev.  The bomb to make it a 2 score game with 4:23 left.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 01:51:08 PM
Ha! I was just about to post about that. Siemian looked shaky at times early in the game, but has looked great since the 2nd quarter. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2016, 01:51:23 PM
Hot damn Kev.  The bomb to make it a 2 score game with 4:23 left.
That was a great throw...and catch.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
And I think it goes without saying that Elway knows what he is doing, via letting Osweiler leave.  :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2016, 01:59:29 PM
Sure does look like the right move!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
So far, so good.

And the Vikings are not only legit, but maybe the best team in the NFC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 25, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Way to grow a pair this week Buffalo.

And Cleveland too, apparently. That could blow up some people in the Survivor this week!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 25, 2016, 02:13:16 PM
So pumped that the Ravens are 3-0...taking advantage of a soft early season schedule.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2016, 02:17:06 PM
Holy shit Dolphins.   Then Holy shit Cleveland.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on September 25, 2016, 02:18:27 PM
Ha ha ha Browns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: mike099 on September 25, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Just finished watching the Titans at home vs the Raiders.  Tennessee had the ball at the Raiders 4 and two Titan offensive linemen decided to go head first in the pile drawing a 15 yd penalty against the Titans.  On 4th down Mariota throws to a receiver in the end zone incomplete, but very well could have been a defensive penalty.  End of game Oakland 17 Tennessee 10.

Oakland manned up today and played some great defense, especially in the secondary.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 25, 2016, 04:31:03 PM
Fly Eagles Fly
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: millahh on September 25, 2016, 04:44:01 PM
Fly Eagles Fly

I figured that the Iggles were benefiting from a soft first couple of games, but I might have to face the idea that they could be for real (wearing a Sproles jersey as I write this).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 25, 2016, 04:49:27 PM
The Jets are really shitting the bed in Kansas City today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 25, 2016, 05:17:14 PM
Fly Eagles Fly

I figured that the Iggles were benefiting from a soft first couple of games, but I might have to face the idea that they could be for real (wearing a Sproles jersey as I write this).

Yep... now they can ride this high into the bye week and get ready for a trip to Detroit in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 25, 2016, 05:27:48 PM
Meanwhile, in the Seattle area, the number of google searches for Trevone Boykin skyrockets.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2016, 05:28:13 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 25, 2016, 05:34:50 PM
Luck to Hilton = CLUTCH
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: millahh on September 25, 2016, 05:35:16 PM
Meanwhile, in the Seattle area, the number of google searches for Trevone Boykin skyrockets.

Boykin will be a solid NFL QB...he'd have been drafted reasonably high if not for his pre-draft issues.  And I say this as someone who really does not care for TCU.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 25, 2016, 05:46:05 PM
Untimed play in Indy after a punt....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on September 25, 2016, 06:11:39 PM
Meanwhile, in the Seattle area, the number of google searches for Trevone Boykin skyrockets.

Boykin will be a solid NFL QB...he'd have been drafted reasonably high if not for his pre-draft issues.  And I say this as someone who really does not care for TCU.
Boykin was the second best QB in that game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 25, 2016, 06:54:53 PM
Jason Garrett is an idiot.  Wasted a challenge and timeout on the opening drive when he's got 1st & goal on the half yd line.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 25, 2016, 07:02:43 PM
Jason Garrett is an idiot.  Wasted a challenge and timeout on the opening drive when he's got 1st & goal on the half yd line.   :lol


Yep! He must have Witten on his fantasy team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 07:44:55 PM
If the season ended today, the Rams would win the NFC West. :lol :lol :lol

Days like today are why I think Tomlin is overrated.  The Steelers have a few games every year under him where they just don't show up.

Carson Wentz is the real deal already.

I wonder if those ESPN dopes will still have Carolina ranked ahead of the Broncos... :lol :lol

Oh, and Ryan Fitzpatrick just threw another pick.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: SystematicThought on September 25, 2016, 07:54:33 PM
I'm just wondering when the Vikings can get a win and have the commentary say they're the real deal. Each victory, there seems to be some excuse. Last week: "Oh, Aaron Rodgers had an off day, what happened?!" This week: "The protests and heat really was distracting for Carolina."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 08:02:22 PM
Yep, they are getting disrespected big time.  On PTI the other day, they actually wondered if they were done altogether, simply because AP was hurt.  It's like, have people not seen their defense play??  And Bradford is probably an upgrade over Bridgewater.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: PowerSlave on September 25, 2016, 08:28:26 PM

Days like today are why I think Tomlin is overrated.  The Steelers have a few games every year under him where they just don't show up.


They've done the same under every coach they've ever had. The only exceptions that I can think of are the two separate seasons in the early 2000's when they went 15-1 then lost to the patriots in the AFC Championship each time. They're just one of those teams that makes you scratch your head on occasion.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2016, 09:42:16 PM
I guess Elway never forgets...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtO3uZXUAAAPNjy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on September 26, 2016, 06:37:51 AM
Holy smokes the Eagles are for real. Another NFL record falls, Steelers had gone 300+ games without trailing by more than 30 until yesterday's debacle. If they don't bounce back strong against KC next week I'm writing them off for this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2016, 06:44:44 AM
Since the beginning of last season, Roethlisberger has 27 touchdown passes and 20 interceptions; that is Jay Cutler-like.  But he's the 3rd best QB in the league, right? :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on September 26, 2016, 06:46:49 AM
Since the beginning of last season, Roethlisberger has 27 touchdown passes and 20 interceptions; that is Jay Cutler-like.  But he's the 3rd best QB in the league, right? :lol :lol

Well, as usual you're cherry-picking one stat (TD to INT ratio). I could do that with any QB and make them look worse than they are.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2016, 06:58:07 AM
You don't think touchdowns and interceptions are important?

To me, the best indicators statistically of how good a QB is are TD-INT ratio, YPA and passer rating or QBR (both of which I would concede are flawed stats, but still good indicators).  I don't put as much stock in total passing yards as others do (YPA is better, since it tells you what a QB does with his passes, instead of them racking up lots of yards in blowouts or shootouts), and I think completion percentage is now totally overrated, largely because so many QBs throw a million passes that are behind the line of scrimmage or no more than five yards past.  That is why I was impressed with Siemian yesterday; he was throwing it down field, and throwing it well.  And that is something Roethlisberger usually does well, too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on September 26, 2016, 07:29:43 AM
Not to pile on, but the Jets looked horrible.  I get it, the INTs were Fitz looking to be a hero, but even beyond that, they looked horrible.   No fire, no guts...  the last score, the offense played that INT return like it was two-hand touch.   

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 26, 2016, 08:30:35 AM
The Panthers really stunk it up after the first quarter.  Not only did they have a good team they were facing, they also made too many mistakes, and too many turnovers.  Can't do that against a good team.

One big thing they need to improve on is in-game adjustments to the offensive game plan.  Minnesota figured out fairly quickly what Carolina was doing, but we never changed what we were doing. 

Not to take anything away from the Vikings.  They played great and deserved to win.  Their front 7 played lights out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 26, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
Jason Garrett is an idiot.  Wasted a challenge and timeout on the opening drive when he's got 1st & goal on the half yd line.   :lol


Yep! He must have Witten on his fantasy team.

 :lol  Yeah, too bad he didn't see Witten's foot go out of bounds before the ball crossed the pylon.


Yep, they are getting disrespected big time.  On PTI the other day, they actually wondered if they were done altogether, simply because AP was hurt.  It's like, have people not seen their defense play??  And Bradford is probably an upgrade over Bridgewater.

Yeah, Viking's defense is lights out.  Stopping the other team from scoring is just as important as offensive scoring, if not more so.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2016, 10:34:28 AM
Heck, if we look at the champions in the 21st century, how many great defenses?

How many had stud QBs?

The number is far more lopsided in favor of defense (especially since Manning wasn't a stud QB anymore last year; Brady wasn't a stud for NE's first two titles, maybe even three; same for Roethlisberger for the Steelers '05 title). 

Play really good/great defense, have a QB who can make plays when he has to, win in the trenches, and get great coaching; that is a recipe for winning it all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 26, 2016, 10:49:44 AM
Yeah, the 2000 Ravens are also a good example.  They kickstarted the 21st Century with lights out defense.  Dilfer was never even close to being an elite QB and they still won it all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 26, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
You've got to have a better than average D to win a SB.  The only D I think of that was not un the upper half of the league was the 2009 Saints.  Though, they caused a ton of turnovers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
I didn't get to see the game Thur night, but starting a game with only one QB on the active roster blows my mind. Part of me is sorry that Edelman didn't have to play a series. I love seeing emergency quarterbacks and kickers kicking having to sub for each other (not to mention Chad Johnson). Edelman in particular, since he's also been an emergency DB in the past, helping to seal a playoff win against Baltimore, if I'm not mistaken (and Kev will certainly point out if I am  :lol).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on September 26, 2016, 11:33:55 AM
Speaking of being low on QB's, Terrelle Pryor certainly had a hell of a performance this week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
Speaking of being low on QB's, Terrelle Pryor certainly had a hell of a performance this week.
Their rookie starter actually played very well. The reason I picked Cleveland in that game was because an unknown rookie was sure to be a huge improvement over anybody they ever actually intend to start.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on September 26, 2016, 12:08:31 PM
Speaking of being low on QB's, Terrelle Pryor certainly had a hell of a performance this week.
Their rookie starter actually played very well. The reason I picked Cleveland in that game was because an unknown rookie was sure to be a huge improvement over anybody they ever actually intend to start.
I was convinced they would beat Baltimore (and I paid the price for that pick). They almost did, and they certainly should have. But so it goes with Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2016, 12:19:26 PM
I'll never understand head coaches that coach not to win.  Cleveland gets a fumble victory at the Miami 27 with 20 seconds left in a tie game with one timeout left.  And their kicker had struggled all day, so what does Hue Jackson do?  Have his QB kneel to lose a yard so they can kick the FG as time runs out. :facepalm: :lol  And of course the kicker missed the FG, and they later lost in OT. Not like it matters since neither Miami nor Cleveland are going anywhere this year, but to be that gutless? I just don't get it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 12:30:17 PM
They certainly could have afforded a play or two to get closer than 47yds. They'd played fairly mistake free, and even if something did go wrong Ryan Tannehill was Cleveland's best player.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
Amazing that with all of the young talent at QB in the NFL, teams like the Browns and Dolphins still can't find a good one. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 26, 2016, 04:46:29 PM
The QB is the hardest position to get the greats.  You can get average then it's up to them to progress or regress.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 05:20:13 PM
Amazing that with all of the young talent at QB in the NFL, teams like the Browns and Dolphins still can't find a good one.
And then some teams just blunder their way into one. It's early, but I think it's fair to say that Dak Prescott is at the very least a good quarterback. Maybe not a franchise guy, but compared to the losers Cleveland and Miami are always stuck with he's a find.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on September 26, 2016, 05:35:03 PM
If the season ended today, the Rams would win the NFC West. :lol :lol :lol



Well...no need to get nasty!   ;D

If they get by the Gridbirds Sunday...I'll have a lil more hope.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 26, 2016, 06:35:12 PM
Actually, that's more of a slam to the other 3 teams in that division.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: SystematicThought on September 26, 2016, 08:10:30 PM
You've got to have a better than average D to win a SB.  The only D I think of that was not un the upper half of the league was the 2009 Saints.  Though, they caused a ton of turnovers.
I don't want to remember the 2009 Saints. As a Minnesotan and Vikings fan, it's still a hard thing to talk to about  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 26, 2016, 08:59:13 PM
Wow, Bree's got jinxed by Gruden on that 90 yd pick six.  Giving him accolades for the great pass on the previous play.  Hmmm...nice pass.  :o
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: contest_sanity on September 27, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
I'll take this opportunity to say "Go Falcons" -- as who knows when such a chance will present itself again. Last year we were 5-0 and missed the playoffs, so my enthusiasm will stay sufficiently curbed for now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
Post-Week 3 Power Rankings
1. Denver - great performance by Siemian in his first road start ever
2. New England - Just give Belichick Coach of the Year now
3. Minnesota - Vikings defense is becoming scary good
4. Philadelphia - Doug Pederson is doing a fantastic job
5. Baltimore - I'll be curious to see how they fare against the big boys this year, but 3-0 cannot be argued with
6. Pittsburgh - shameful performance, but I suspect they will bounce back
7. Carolina - might seem odd to have a 1-2 team this high, but they've lost to the number 1 and 3 teams
8. Kansas City - utter domination of a good Jets team
9. Green Bay - is the offense really back or was that just a really bad Lions D?
10. Dallas - brutal stretch coming up soon will tell the tale as to how good this team really is

Trending Up:

Atlanta - two road wins is impressive, but they've got some really tough games coming up
Los Angeles - I will give them props for winning two straight after that debacle against SF opening weekend
Oakland - I suspect this team will be schizo all year, but they have some actual hope for the first time in over a decade

Trending Down:

Houston - still 2-1, but any team that loses like that to a 3rd string QB is trending down, at least for now
Cincinnati - brutal schedule so far; can they turn it around?
NY Jets - did Ryan Fitzpatrick finally remember who he is?

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2016, 07:10:08 PM
You're top 5 is perfect.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2016, 07:12:54 PM
Thanks. :coolio

Wanna good laugh?  I checked out ESPN's power rankings, and they have Arizona at number 5.  The same Arizona team that is 1-2 and just got pummeled by a crappy Bills team. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2016, 07:20:18 PM
You're top 5 is perfect.

Arizona definitely does not belong at #5, Kev.

But I have a had time ranking the Ravens at #5, despite their 3-0 record.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2016, 07:21:03 PM
I know. Wtf is wrong with them?!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Even worse, Seattle at 3??  Okay, they are 2-1, but they eked out a home win over the terrible Dolphins, lost to the Rams, and then beat the 49ers? That's a top 3 team?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
Right. Top 10 for sure but 3?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2016, 08:56:05 PM
Looks like JJ Watt will be out the rest of the year with a back injury.  That sucks. :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on September 27, 2016, 09:15:52 PM
Looks like JJ Watt will be out the rest of the year with a back injury.  That sucks. :tdwn :tdwn
That does suck. Defensive players that can take over a game are rare and great fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Architeuthis on September 28, 2016, 07:22:45 AM
Even worse, Seattle at 3??  Okay, they are 2-1, but they eked out a home win over the terrible Dolphins, lost to the Rams, and then beat the 49ers? That's a top 3 team?
The Seahawks always get off to a shakey start and seem to start firing on all cylinders by mid season. This year at least they are 2 and 1 so far. The Rams seem to have their number, they always give the Seahawks a hard time.
 I'm looking forward to when The Seahawks go on the road to play the Patriots in week 10.  It will be very hard for them to pull off a win at New England, but it is possible..Remotely possible, Go Hawks!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2016, 08:22:28 AM
Wanna good laugh?  I checked out ESPN's power rankings, and they have Arizona at number 5.  The same Arizona team that is 1-2 and just got pummeled by a crappy Bills team. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Yeah, ESPN really has a hard-on for the Cardinals.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 28, 2016, 08:23:50 AM
I prefer the ESPN rankings to Kev's (though I don't agree with every placement).

The 5 3-0 teams are not the 5 best teams in the league </fact>
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 28, 2016, 08:56:48 AM

10. Dallas - brutal stretch coming up soon will tell the tale as to how good this team really is

Offense good to go.  Defense is the X factor.  No pass rush.  Can't stop the run.  They have their moments but no where close to a championship defense.  Honestly, I don't know how Marinelli is still coaching in this league.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
Dallas' D is protected big time by the fact that the offense is so good at long drives, which eat up time of possession.  Their awesome O-line puts them in a lot of 3rd and shorts, which are easier to pick up than 3rd and longs (obviously).

Even worse, Seattle at 3??  Okay, they are 2-1, but they eked out a home win over the terrible Dolphins, lost to the Rams, and then beat the 49ers? That's a top 3 team?
The Seahawks always get off to a shakey start and seem to start firing on all cylinders by mid season. This year at least they are 2 and 1 so far. The Rams seem to have their number, they always give the Seahawks a hard time.
 I'm looking forward to when The Seahawks go on the road to play the Patriots in week 10.  It will be very hard for them to pull off a win at New England, but it is possible..Remotely possible, Go Hawks!  :biggrin:

Fine, then we can put them at number 3 when they've earned it, instead of taking the brainless ESPN approach of "this is how good I think they will be."  Judging teams by how good they have been so far this year, Seattle isn't close to being the 3rd best team.  They still aren't in my top 10 for a reason.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 29, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
Ben, Matt & Tom Brady.  Too damn funny.

https://youtu.be/U5urvAW560w
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: PowerSlave on September 29, 2016, 08:48:47 PM
Ben, Matt & Tom Brady.  Too damn funny.

https://youtu.be/U5urvAW560w

WTF is going on with Matt's hair?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 29, 2016, 09:55:56 PM
Best call of tonight's game from Ian Eagle "And AJ Green is tackled by a swarm of creamsicles."

Also, confirmed for the SB halftime show, Lady Gaga. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2016, 04:46:00 AM
Ben, Matt & Tom Brady.  Too damn funny.

https://youtu.be/U5urvAW560w

WTF is going on with Matt's hair?

Must be for a movie.   Or he's playing Donald Duck.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on September 30, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
Ben, Matt & Tom Brady.  Too damn funny.

https://youtu.be/U5urvAW560w

Let's ask T-Bone!


There's this one too, though no Touchdown Tommy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojZmJPr4jHE

I usually don't care for Hollywood hipsters but these guys are funny.  I like them  ("I'm not short.  If you take out Northern Europe, I'm way above average.")
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 08:10:09 AM
I can't believe how bad the Colts are.  It's basically Andrew Luck and a team full of mostly scrubs.  He will be lucky to survive the season again, with as much as he gets hit behind that awful line.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2016, 08:11:04 AM
At least he's learned how to slide.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2016, 08:12:59 AM
I can't believe how bad the Colts are.  It's basically Andrew Luck and a team full of mostly scrubs.  He will be lucky to survive the season again, with as much as he gets hit behind that awful line.

Ownership needed to get rid of the GM.  Keeping both the GM and the Coach is poisoning the team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 02, 2016, 08:18:43 AM
On my way to the Jets game! I'm sure my mood will change by halftime though lol.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2016, 08:24:41 AM
Get some tailgating in!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 09:02:58 AM
I can't believe how bad the Colts are.  It's basically Andrew Luck and a team full of mostly scrubs.  He will be lucky to survive the season again, with as much as he gets hit behind that awful line.

Ownership needed to get rid of the GM.  Keeping both the GM and the Coach is poisoning the team.

Yep.  The GM is utterly clueless (drafting WRs early still when they need help on the interior is pure stupidity), and Pagano seems like one of those guys that is better off as a coordinator.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2016, 09:11:17 AM
Jimmy G is INACTIVE..


Brissett to face the Bills.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 09:14:38 AM
No-win situation for Clown Rex.

If they lose, he couldn't even beat Belichick when facing a 3rd string QB.

If they win, he is still Dead Coach Walking, with 7-9 or 6-10 on the horizon, while the Patriots will still coast to another division title and first round bye.

Poor Bills fans.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
Well the Bills are taking advantage of a poor Pat's offense.   Get ahead of them and the kid hasn't played a pro style offense yet. Time to try now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 11:43:08 AM
Buffalo is playing to win.  Quite a contrast to the dickless Texans, who played not to lose last week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2016, 11:45:43 AM
And aggressive. Did you see the previous game Kev where a Bills player pushed Brissett when he was jogging on the field?

Also, when you play a college style offense in a pro game, you are very predictable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 11:46:41 AM
And now those genius Patriots fans are booing their own team. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
...and apparently the dick-less Patriots. Talk about playing not to lose. Throw the fucking ball!!!

Defense is in slow motion.

And now those genius Patriots fans are booing their own team. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

They should be booed. It's actually another genius move by the fans!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
And aggressive. Did you see the previous game Kev where a Bills player pushed Brissett when he was jogging on the field?
 

Yep.  Looks like a game where Rex has his team ready to play.  Just wait a week or two, and they'll lie down like dogs against a much lesser team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
The TACs are going bowling! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on October 02, 2016, 11:53:45 AM
Bills are playing to stop the run and force Brisset to beat them through the air, and NE isn't willing to let him try.

At least that's understandable. Why the Patriots are playing like clowns is beyond me. Dumb mistakes. Penalties. Missed tackles. You'd think Barry Switzer coached them this week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on October 02, 2016, 12:00:09 PM
Damn, that was an ugly pass, but the Patriots sure needed it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2016, 12:03:28 PM
And a rookie mistake costs them 3. 

So many mistakes like El Barto said. Very uncommon.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 02, 2016, 12:49:58 PM
I've never seen a false start on a kicker before now...and of course it was the Browns
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 02, 2016, 01:10:14 PM
Crappy Bills are leading the Pats 16-0 at the end of the 3rd at Foxboro?  Gotta be fucking kidding me.  Any given Sunday.  :lol

BTW, go Browns!  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 02, 2016, 01:52:43 PM

BTW, go Browns!  :rollin

Translation:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1h0Hf5uMs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1h0Hf5uMs)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
Julio Jones is pretty good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
I wanted to see Tucker attempt a 67-yard FG.  He probably would have made it.

That aside, Derek Carr is really, really good. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: contest_sanity on October 02, 2016, 02:23:21 PM
Let me get in here and post about these Falcons while things are still going well: holy shit -- over 500 yards by Ryan, 300 of them to Julio Jones -- both franchise records. I was just as impressed by the defense, though. Couple of Carolina's TDs were late against the prevent and another was a defensive score off a tipped pass. Still very apprehensive about declaring us good after our meltdown last year (started 5-0, missed the playoffs), but this particular game went as well as could be hoped for, especially on a short week.

Also, I hope Cam is ok, as he left the game after a big (though legal) hit on a 2 pt conversion.

Julio Jones is pretty good.

Indeed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 02, 2016, 02:30:01 PM

BTW, go Browns!  :rollin

Translation:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1h0Hf5uMs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1h0Hf5uMs)


Uh yeah.  Nevermind.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Skeever on October 02, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
I can't believe how bad the Colts are.  It's basically Andrew Luck and a team full of mostly scrubs.  He will be lucky to survive the season again, with as much as he gets hit behind that awful line.

Meanwhile Jets are built to win and Fitz is self-destructing. Can we get some Andrew Luck in NY?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
Siemian hurt. Uh oh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
Crazy season for QB'S so far.u
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
No kidding.u

 ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Accelerando on October 02, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Cam Newton is finally being evaluated for a concussion. He probably should have been evaluated Week 1 against the Broncos
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on October 02, 2016, 07:11:51 PM
Ben with 3 TD passes in the first quarter, so far so good  :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 02, 2016, 08:32:45 PM
I can't believe how bad the Colts are.  It's basically Andrew Luck and a team full of mostly scrubs.  He will be lucky to survive the season again, with as much as he gets hit behind that awful line.

Meanwhile Jets are built to win and Fitz is self-destructing. Can we get some Andrew Luck in NY?

If the Jets had Luck with their current roster, they would be the class of the AFC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Architeuthis on October 03, 2016, 12:03:54 AM
Seahawks played exceptionally well today at New York. Banged up Russel Wilson throws over 300 passing yards and for TDs,  plus their defense was in great form.
 Dallas Cowboys looking great and pull off a win in SF. Dak Prescott had a great game throwing two td passes and Ezekiel Elliott tearing it up today.  The receiving core stepped it up without Dez, and their defense is looking better. Fun team to watch right now!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 03, 2016, 06:05:21 AM
Bills are playing to stop the run and force Brisset to beat them through the air, and NE isn't willing to let him try.

At least that's understandable. Why the Patriots are playing like clowns is beyond me. Dumb mistakes. Penalties. Missed tackles. You'd think Barry Switzer coached them this week.

haha, there is no such thing as a bad "Barry Switzer" reference.  :) ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: kaos2900 on October 03, 2016, 06:45:40 AM
I can't believe how bad the Colts are.  It's basically Andrew Luck and a team full of mostly scrubs.  He will be lucky to survive the season again, with as much as he gets hit behind that awful line.

Meanwhile Jets are built to win and Fitz is self-destructing. Can we get some Andrew Luck in NY?

If the Jets had Luck with their current roster, they would be the class of the AFC.

I don't think they'd own the AFC but that would be interesting to see. Though Luck doesn't help the defense on either team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 03, 2016, 06:55:33 AM
Ben with 3 TD passes in the first quarter, so far so good  :metal

Yeah boy! Good bounce back from the offense after the disaster last week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Brady? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 07:04:03 AM
Cam Newton is finally being evaluated for a concussion. He probably should have been evaluated Week 1 against the Broncos
Agreed.

If they can go ahead and evaluate the rest of the team, that couldn't hurt either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Rattlehead on October 03, 2016, 08:16:17 AM
Pittsburgh looks unstoppable on offense even without Martavis Bryant. I'm glad Denver doesn't have to play them this season unless they square off in the post season again  :o
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2016, 09:20:00 AM
Pittsburgh looks unstoppable on offense even without Martavis Bryant. I'm glad Denver doesn't have to play them this season unless they square off in the post season again  :o

What about last week?  I can't believe they looked so bad one week and so good the next.  I think they are a solid team and what we saw against Philly is not the normal Steelers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 03, 2016, 09:22:29 AM
Pittsburgh looks unstoppable on offense even without Martavis Bryant. I'm glad Denver doesn't have to play them this season unless they square off in the post season again  :o

What about last week?  I can't believe they looked so bad one week and so good the next.  I think they are a solid team and what we saw against Philly is not the normal Steelers.

They are a Tomlin team. Enough said. Steelers, good or bad, haven't won 5 in a row ever under Tomlin. His teams always seem to be inconsistent to a degree, some years it's better than others, but even in the best years under him as coach they have bad loses they were predicted to win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Rattlehead on October 03, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
Every good team seems to have at least 1 ugly loss that they were supposed to win each season. Denver lost to Oakland at home last year and didn't even score a single touchdown in that game. New England lost to Philadelphia at home last season. Pittsburgh has always had a pretty tough division since Tomlin arrived, so maybe that has something to do with how they've never won 5 in a row with him.

Edit: I was looking back at Pittsburgh's schedules since Tomlin has been their coach, and they did win 5 in a row in the 2008 season. I think what you meant is that they've never won more than 5 games in a row with him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2016, 12:27:47 PM
And New England got shut out by Buffalo
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Rattlehead on October 03, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
And New England got shut out by Buffalo

Yeah, it's not like they had Brady though. Their quarterback situation was pretty messy going into that game... obviously it affected their preparation for Buffalo, and Belichick took his frustration out on that poor tablet :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 03, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
We're onto the next tablet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 03, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
Belichick can do just about anything except take a loss gracefully.  His press conference was an absolute joke.  Just stood there with this grimace on his face like a kid who had his candy taken away.  Yeah, I know he does that most of time anyway, but that was the worst I've ever seen.  One question he just refused to answer.  Just stood there.  He should be on C'mon Man tonight.  Part of his job is to address the press.  DO YOUR JOB!   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on October 03, 2016, 01:29:35 PM
Belichick can do just about anything except take a loss gracefully.  His press conference was an absolute joke.  Just stood there with this grimace on his face like a kid who had his candy taken away.  Yeah, I know he does that most of time anyway, but that was the worst I've ever seen.  One question he just refused to answer.  Just stood there.  He should be on C'mon Man tonight.  Part of his job is to address the press.  DO YOUR JOB!   :lol
Meh. It doesn't bother me. If you're extremely successful, you get more leeway with that sort of thing. If you're Bill Belichick, you can get away with it. If you're Jim Tomsula and you're horrible at press conferences (which he was), you've got a problem.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
Belichick can do just about anything except take a loss gracefully.  His press conference was an absolute joke.  Just stood there with this grimace on his face like a kid who had his candy taken away.  Yeah, I know he does that most of time anyway, but that was the worst I've ever seen.  One question he just refused to answer.  Just stood there.  He should be on C'mon Man tonight.  Part of his job is to address the press.  DO YOUR JOB!   :lol

Belichick does not take losses gracefully. That's true, but you can't use that or any other press conference as proof. One thing you have to understand about his pressers is that he is speaking to his team, not to the fans, and not to the press.
He uses those to set the tone and script for his team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 03, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Belichick can do just about anything except take a loss gracefully.  His press conference was an absolute joke.  Just stood there with this grimace on his face like a kid who had his candy taken away.  Yeah, I know he does that most of time anyway, but that was the worst I've ever seen.  One question he just refused to answer.  Just stood there.  He should be on C'mon Man tonight.  Part of his job is to address the press.  DO YOUR JOB!   :lol
Meh. It doesn't bother me. If you're extremely successful, you get more leeway with that sort of thing. If you're Bill Belichick, you can get away with it. If you're Jim Tomsula and you're horrible at press conferences (which he was), you've got a problem.

I can't say he's always in the right with his press conference attitude, but last night he was.  He didn't disparage anyone on the Bills, he didn't go after anyone like Camshaft did last year, but I don't at all want my coach - after a loss like that - acting as if all is well and we just move on. 

Plus, as Rattlehead said, every team has a bad loss, and as Tony Gonzalez and Bill Cowher said in the post game, Belichick is going to milk everything he can from this to hone the edge on his team.  I would not at all want to be Cleveland next week.  What's the record for a lopsided score in the NFL?  72-0?   It's going to look like a Labor Day game between the top-ranked college team and whatever set of patsies they're playing in their opening game.   Or a UConn women's basketball game. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
So true about Cleveland next week  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 03, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Belichick can do just about anything except take a loss gracefully.  His press conference was an absolute joke.  Just stood there with this grimace on his face like a kid who had his candy taken away.  Yeah, I know he does that most of time anyway, but that was the worst I've ever seen.  One question he just refused to answer.  Just stood there.  He should be on C'mon Man tonight.  Part of his job is to address the press.  DO YOUR JOB!   :lol

Belichick does not take losses gracefully. That's true, but you can't use that or any other press conference as proof. One thing you have to understand about his pressers is that he is speaking to his team, not to the fans, and not to the press.
He uses those to set the tone and script for his team.

I realize what he's doing, but maybe he should save it for the locker room.  I don't think it sends a very good message if he stands there on national television looking like a spoiled brat that didn't get what he wanted.  That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2016, 04:15:45 PM
I don't think he cares what he looks like. It's the message. It's always the message.

And not to sound like a homer loser, but watching him week in and week out all these years is really...interesting. I wish everyone around the country could experience it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 03, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
I can not stop hearing his smacking when he talks. That's what drives me insane. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2016, 04:59:05 PM
Regarding Belichick, yeah, he is a notorious sore loser, but on the other hand, I have no regard for the media, so him trolling them usually cracks me up now. 


 Dallas Cowboys looking great and pull off a win in SF. Dak Prescott had a great game throwing two td passes and Ezekiel Elliott tearing it up today.  The receiving core stepped it up without Dez, and their defense is looking better. Fun team to watch right now!

Dallas should chuck Bryant.  With reports out there about him missing team meetings all the time, better to let your young QB grow and develop without the immature diva in his ear.

Pittsburgh looks unstoppable on offense even without Martavis Bryant. I'm glad Denver doesn't have to play them this season unless they square off in the post season again  :o

Defense beats offense.

Steelers can score all the points they want, but as long as the Broncos QB keeps play effective ball, they are better. New England, as always, is the team I fear the most.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on October 03, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
Considering that Ben shredded that precious Denver D twice last year for over 300 yds while Brady and Newton looked like crap against it, if the Steelers have even a little D I like their chances. (also the second 300-yard game was without Brown)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2016, 07:44:41 PM
And scored 16 points in the playoff game (3 of which came at the end when the Broncos were in prevent cause they led by 10 with a minute left).  Lots of empty yards, sir.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2016, 07:50:23 PM
As for tonight, two things are becoming even more clear than they were before:

1) The Vikings D is top notch.

2) Odell Beckham is a head case.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 03, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Tatum = Brady, Homer = The Browns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug36XUGEILE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug36XUGEILE)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Rattlehead on October 03, 2016, 08:38:13 PM
Pittsburgh looks unstoppable on offense even without Martavis Bryant. I'm glad Denver doesn't have to play them this season unless they square off in the post season again  :o

Defense beats offense.

Steelers can score all the points they want, but as long as the Broncos QB keeps play effective ball, they are better. New England, as always, is the team I fear the most.

I do agree that Denver is the better team, but I just want no part of Pittsburgh right now after seeing them annihilate Kansas City like that. They are a scary team with Brown and Bell healthy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: SystematicThought on October 03, 2016, 09:30:33 PM
Can't wait to see the excuse this week as to why the Vikes won. Oh, the Giants didn't have a full defense.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: PowerSlave on October 03, 2016, 10:11:00 PM
Pittsburgh looks unstoppable on offense even without Martavis Bryant. I'm glad Denver doesn't have to play them this season unless they square off in the post season again  :o

Defense beats offense.

Steelers can score all the points they want, but as long as the Broncos QB keeps play effective ball, they are better. New England, as always, is the team I fear the most.

I do agree that Denver is the better team, but I just want no part of Pittsburgh right now after seeing them annihilate Kansas City like that. They are a scary team with Brown and Bell healthy.

The Steelers offense is potentially very potent right now. However, their defense is riddled with injuries. Dupree is on IR, Jarvis Jones had a shin injury in the KC game, Shazier has a bad knee. That's 3 of the 4 starting linebackers that are out, or hobbled. There are also several injuries on the offensive line.

I'm not making excuses. Injuries are part of the game. Denver should be able to handle them at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on October 03, 2016, 10:14:34 PM
It's so nice to see Le'Veon Bell on the field again. He's unbelievable. And he's better than any receiver they'd put on the field otherwise, so I liked seeing the Steelers split him out with Deangelo Williams in the backfield.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: El Barto on October 03, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
Tatum = Brady, Homer = The Browns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug36XUGEILE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug36XUGEILE)
Yup. Played that in my head quite a bit the last couple of weeks. "If I could turn back the clock on my mother's stair pushing, I'd definitely consider it."  :rollin

That said, NE wouldn't have won that game with Jesus himself playing QB. The team as a whole played like clowns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 04, 2016, 06:49:08 AM
It's so nice to see Le'Veon Bell on the field again. He's unbelievable. And he's better than any receiver they'd put on the field otherwise, so I liked seeing the Steelers split him out with Deangelo Williams in the backfield.

Yup. Bell is such a great receiving threat, it changes the whole dynamic of the offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 04, 2016, 08:13:30 AM
As for tonight, two things are becoming even more clear than they were before:

1) The Vikings D is top notch.

2) Odell Beckham is a head case.
Boy, no shit.  If Bradford continues to play like this, there's no telling how far they will go.

And yeah, Beckham is his team's biggest enemy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
Beckham is becoming a problem, his post game interview just proves it since he doesn't seem to think there's a problem with his attitude. 

The vikings defense is so damn good.  Bradford looked fine, but he can be like the Broncos last year, just manage the game and they can go far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Architeuthis on October 04, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
I wonder what Tony Romo would think of the current title of this thread? Maybe he would become a DT fan and start off with A Change of Seasons.  :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 04, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
Vikings are the lead story after last night.  They could be another Ravens, Broncos or Seahawks; their defense is that good.

Not having a disciplinarian anymore as his head coach is probably not helping Beckham.  Sure, Coughlin was there for his meltdown last December, but I think he'd be able to keep him under more control than the coach with the porn 'stache they have now.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on October 04, 2016, 04:16:16 PM
Beckham acts like a child on the field, and then he claims everyone's out to get him. You brought it on yourself, dude.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 04, 2016, 04:20:26 PM
Post-Week 4 Power Rankings
1. Denver - Elway + Kubiak = winning formula
2. Minnesota - Mike Zimmer might actually overtake Belichick for Coach of the Year
3. New England - 3-1 and Brady is back..those poor Browns
4. Philadelphia - can they keep it up?
5. Pittsburgh - impressive bounce back after that week 3 shellacking
6. Seattle - earned this spot finally, after that butt kicking of the Jets
7. Atlanta - Julio Jones is ridiculous
8. Dallas - have had a weak schedule, but 3-1 is a nice start with a rookie QB and RB
9. Green Bay - let's see if Aaron Rodgers can consistently look like Aaron Rodgers again
10. Oakland - the Raiders of the last 10+ years never would have won that game on Sunday 

Trending Up:

Los Angeles - no one saw 3-1 coming after that 28-0 debacle week 1
Buffalo - who knew that firing the OC would actually help
Washington - I suspect this 2-game winning streak is a mirage, but they are trending up at the moment

Trending Down:

Carolina - their defense stinks now, and Cam Newton still hasn't learned how to protect himself
Arizona - Carson Palmer was looking over the hill before getting hurt; this team is in trouble
NY Jets - time to pump the brakes on that "Todd Bowles is the next great head coach in this league" talk

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - unbelievable that a guy who appeared to have fallen off a bit last year is now the leading contender for MVP 1/4 of the way through the season
2. Von Miller - game-changing plays week after week after week
3. Ben Roethlisberger - he's never been a legit MVP contender,  and he'll never have as good a chance as he has this year
4. Derek Carr - 9 touchdowns and 1 INT, and he looks like he'll be a great one for a long time
5. Russell Wilson - this guy is money, even when he is supposedly hurt
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 04, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
Beckham acts like a child on the field, and then he claims everyone's out to get him. You brought it on yourself, dude.

I agree that his comments after the game were awful, but the penalty he got was BS.  The guy hit him out of bounds, Beckham comes running back to tell the official that, the Viking DB stands there in front of the official and taunts Beckham..and Beckham gets flagged?  That was messed up.
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Post by: contest_sanity on October 04, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - unbelievable that a guy who appeared to have fallen off a bit last year is now the leading contender for MVP 1/4 of the way through the season

Ryan never looked right in KS's scheme last year, to the point where even Falcons fans were completely forgetting the great years he had put up previously. It looks like he is fully comfortable now. Of course, adding Mack at center has been an enormous help as well. I'm excited about the Denver game: best offense vs best defense -- should be a good one!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: splent on October 04, 2016, 09:14:55 PM
I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE seeing the Vikings ranked that high. I can't wait to see them crash down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 05, 2016, 12:51:52 AM


MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - unbelievable that a guy who appeared to have fallen off a bit last year is now the leading contender for MVP 1/4 of the way through the season
2. Von Miller - game-changing plays week after week after week
3. Ben Roethlisberger - he's never been a legit MVP contender,  and he'll never have as good a chance as he has this year
4. Derek Carr - 9 touchdowns and 1 INT, and he looks like he'll be a great one for a long time
5. Russell Wilson - this guy is money, even when he is supposedly hurt

I think Aaron Donald should be in the conversation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 05, 2016, 06:15:42 AM
The Jets definitely are in trouble and I'm not saying that Todd Bowles is the next Vince Lombardi, but it's hard to win when your QB throws nine (nine!) interceptions in two games. The rest of the team is doing fine, but Fitzpatrick's abysmal play is sinking this team fast.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2016, 06:17:01 AM
I like Bowles. Fitz played so well last year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 05, 2016, 06:34:16 AM
I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE seeing the Vikings ranked that high. I can't wait to see them crash down.

You might be waiting a while. They look legit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 05, 2016, 06:59:31 AM
I guess this thread is the right place for this; any thoughts on all these stories coming out about the NFL ratings so far this year?

Example (the first one that came up on google):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandonkatz/2016/10/04/nfls-monday-night-football-keeps-dropping-in-ratings/#3f3b0b10765b

I've seen a bunch of these stories over the last week. Obviously there are a lot of opinions as to why this trend is appearing, just curious what you all thought.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on October 05, 2016, 07:01:54 AM
The Jets definitely are in trouble and I'm not saying that Todd Bowles is the next Vince Lombardi, but it's hard to win when your QB throws nine (nine!) interceptions in two games. The rest of the team is doing fine, but Fitzpatrick's abysmal play is sinking this team fast.

I was flabbergasted when they re-signed him. He proved who he had always been in game 16 last year. With so many rookie QBs making an impact this year, there was no need for the Jets to commit to him. Nice guy, but 0-24 lifetime against winning teams on the road.  :o
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2016, 07:42:30 AM
I guess this thread is the right place for this; any thoughts on all these stories coming out about the NFL ratings so far this year?

Example (the first one that came up on google):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandonkatz/2016/10/04/nfls-monday-night-football-keeps-dropping-in-ratings/#3f3b0b10765b

I've seen a bunch of these stories over the last week. Obviously there are a lot of opinions as to why this trend is appearing, just curious what you all thought.

Market saturation.  Mark Cuban predicted this.  With the NFL expanding to show more games, it dilutes the product.  It doesn't help that MNF since ESPN took over has been filled with bad games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 05, 2016, 07:43:32 AM
Market saturation.  Mark Cuban predicted this.  With the NFL expanding to show more games, it dilutes the product.  It doesn't help that MNF since ESPN took over has been filled with bad games.

I agree, in my opinion, market saturation is the main reason.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2016, 07:46:47 AM
MNF is not the problem.  TNF is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2016, 07:49:24 AM
and SNF.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2016, 07:55:36 AM
SNF to me, seems to normally have the better game of the three nights.  Also the better broadcast.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2016, 08:01:44 AM
But now we have three nights of Prime Time Games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 05, 2016, 08:13:44 AM
Right, over saturation. I remember when a NFL game used to feel like an event, now I feel like there's one on all the time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on October 05, 2016, 09:30:08 AM
Idle thought here from looking at the QB career leader lists . . . how much more will the 2004 QB draft class need to do to be considered better than or equal to the legendary 1983 class? Just looking at the Big 3 from each class since the 4th best options (O'Brien, Schaub) are a big drop-off. Anyway . . .

Marino-Elway-Kelly vs Eli-Ben-Rivers:
The 1983 class went to 10 Super Bowls, winning 2 of them.
The 2004 class has been to 5 Super Bowls, winning 4 of them.

1983: 148,303 passing yards and 957 touchdowns
2004: 132,041 passing yards and 869 touchdowns and counting, adding about 800 yds and 7 TDs per week

Now of course we recognize that the current era favors the pass much more than ever; however the 2004 class is still playing very well at around 33 years of age and have many more seasons to build their legacies. However, there is no need for an era adjustment when it comes to winning, and in that respect the 1983 class still has a considerable edge both in total wins and winning pct:

148-82 Elway         .671 Ben            Playoffs: 14-7 Elway
147-93 Marino       .643 Elway                        11-6 Ben
116-57 Ben           .631 Kelly                            9-8 Kelly
101-59 Kelly          .613 Marino                         8-3 Eli
  99-88 Eli              .567 Rivers                          8-10 Marino
  93-71 Rivers        .529 Eli                                4-5 Rivers

I think QB winning record is important because over the course of a long career things like injuries, O-Line talent, Wide Receiver talent, etc etc tend to even out over the long haul and ends up being a wash. In this regard Eli and Rivers aren't looking so hot, while the 1983 class tended to win no matter the talent around them.

The 1983 class is still clearly superior and the 2004 class will need to win a couple more Super Bowls and/or be up in the 60,000 yardage range each (and also WIN more often) to start having the conversation. Of course, hot on the heels of the 2004 class are recent classes that produced Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Wilson, Stafford, Dalton etc and in a few years it will be fun to re-do this exercise with their classes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
It flabbergasts me that Rivers is in that conversation.  I get flack for saying it here so often, but he's horrible.   How many games does it take like the last couple, where he throws a bad interception and is on the sideline screaming at his teammates, how many Super Bowls does it take for him to be home already for four weeks, to show that he is not of the class of guys like Roethlisberger, Elway, Kelly, etc.? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2016, 09:52:28 AM
No offense, but I don't think you understand what the word horrible means.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2016, 10:09:35 AM
No offense, but I don't think you understand what the word horrible means.

I do.  Phillip Rivers. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2016, 10:17:57 AM
Still not making sense.

Is this where we act like it's Rivers' fault that his defense has blown three 4th quarter leads this season so far, two of which were double digit leads in the 4th?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2016, 10:34:26 AM
Still not making sense.

Is this where we act like it's Rivers' fault that his defense has blown three 4th quarter leads this season so far, two of which were double digit leads in the 4th?

No, I get it, I just have this belief that not every team is capable of winning a Super Bowl, and not every QB is capable.  I think there are great "athletes" and great "football players" and they are not the same thing, especially when it comes to QB.  Michael Vick is clearly the former, not the latter.  Peyton Manning is clearly the latter, not the former.  And I think Rivers - like Warren Moon and Dan Fouts before him - are the former, not the latter.   

I've said here and elsewhere that Tony Romo - phe-NOMenal athlete - will NEVER win a Super Bowl.  EVER.   I put Rivers in that category.  He may throw for a ton of yards and a ton of TDs, but he doesn't WIN and that's not all about his defense.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 05, 2016, 10:35:27 AM
There's plenty of "horrible" QBs in the league.

Phillip Rivers is not one of them.

Not even close.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2016, 10:37:36 AM
There's plenty of "horrible" QBs in the league.

Phillip Rivers is not one of them.

Not even close.

Okay, "horrible" may have a bit of hyperbole in there.   Is that fair?   But I will say - and I'm not backing down from this - he's not a WINNING QB, and as was stated here a couple weeks ago, if I had to pick 10 QBs to start a franchise with, he's not one of them (even adjusting for age).   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2016, 12:49:59 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2016, 12:54:16 PM
:clap:
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Post by: TAC on October 05, 2016, 01:10:12 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: pogoowner on October 05, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
SNF to me, seems to normally have the better game of the three nights.  Also the better broadcast.
SNF is far and away the best product of the three. I do think that TNF was a mistake. It's too much. By the time MNF rolls around, I'm just worn out and don't even want to watch. Not to mention how hard the TNF games are on the teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2016, 01:13:33 PM
And talking about worn out.  How about the player that only get 3 days off to heal.  That adds to the poor play for most TNF games.  Bad product.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 05, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
I'd be cool with one Sunday night game, one Monday night game and all the other games played on Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
I'd be cool with one Sunday night game, one Monday night game and all the other games played on Sunday afternoon.

Agreed.

We also haven't mentioned the few games a season in England that air in the morning in the US.   Then as the season ends, there are usually Saturday night games as well.  Give me 1pm, 4pm, and 8pm games Sunday and 8pm Monday.  Another issue, for east coasters, is the night games end so late.  I'd love 8pm start times, not 8:30.  But I understand the east coast is not the only time zone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
It's not?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 05, 2016, 02:19:01 PM
We also haven't mentioned the few games a season in England that air in the morning in the US.   Then as the season ends, there are usually Saturday night games as well.  Give me 1pm, 4pm, and 8pm games Sunday and 8pm Monday.  Another issue, for east coasters, is the night games end so late.  I'd love 8pm start times, not 8:30.  But I understand the east coast is not the only time zone.

For sure. I don't think a football game should ever start later than 8pm. And by start, I mean actual kick-off is at 8.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2016, 02:46:30 PM
It's not?

Haha, I know!   Cram is quite the jokester!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2016, 05:09:54 PM
The Jets definitely are in trouble and I'm not saying that Todd Bowles is the next Vince Lombardi, but it's hard to win when your QB throws nine (nine!) interceptions in two games. The rest of the team is doing fine, but Fitzpatrick's abysmal play is sinking this team fast.

That is true, but they didn't lose to the Chiefs because of all of those picks. They were outplayed badly for most of that game.



I think Aaron Donald should be in the conversation.

You might be right, but their defense needs to be more consistently awesome first.  They've been stellar two weeks, not so great the other two.

MNF is not the problem.  TNF is.

This.

TNF is usually terrible, but it makes the leagues more money, so it's not going anywhere.

SNF to me, seems to normally have the better game of the three nights.  Also the better broadcast.

Yep.  The NFL definitely seems to give SNF better games way more often than it does MNF.


I've said here and elsewhere that Tony Romo - phe-NOMenal athlete - will NEVER win a Super Bowl.  EVER.   I put Rivers in that category.  He may throw for a ton of yards and a ton of TDs, but he doesn't WIN and that's not all about his defense.

The team is 93-71 in games he plays, so, yeah, he actually does win.  Let's remember that the two head coaches he has had for every year as a starter (except his first) are Norv Turner (mediocre head coach, great coordinator) and Mike McCoy (not a very good head coach).  Overall, the Chargers are not a good organization; it's a credit to Rivers that they have won as many games as they have in the last 10 years.  Just look at Andrew Luck currently as an example of how difficult it can be to win when you are playing for a bad organization that doesn't do a good job of surrounding you with a great supporting cast and a good coaching staff.

   But I will say - and I'm not backing down from this - he's not a WINNING QB

If you want to not back down from saying something that is factually untrue, have at it.  The facts show that over the course of his career Philip Rivers has been a winning QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 06, 2016, 06:34:22 AM
If you want to not back down from saying something that is factually untrue, have at it.  The facts show that over the course of his career Philip Rivers has been a winning QB.

Depends on how you define what a "winning" QB is. It could be by simple win-lose stats or it could be by something else kinda important, like you know...a championship?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 06, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
If you want to not back down from saying something that is factually untrue, have at it.  The facts show that over the course of his career Philip Rivers has been a winning QB.

Depends on how you define what a "winning" QB is. It could be by simple win-lose stats or it could be by something else kinda important, like you know...a championship?

But judging a QB by how many titles he has is unfair. That would mean Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are arguably the two greatest QB's of all time but they couldn't win championships when they didn't have a complete team around them. Philip Rivers has never had an elite team around him or a top tier head coach to play for, yet he has kept the Chargers relevant and even won some big playoff games with them. He kept San Diego close to the Patriots in the 2007 AFC Championship game while playing with a torn ACL in one of the gutsiest performances ever. He led an incomplete Chargers team to 14-2 in 2006 (with a big assist from Ladanian Tomlinson) before falling to New England in the divisional round and then to a 13-3 record in 2009 before his kicker missed three easy field goals again in the divisional round against the Jets in a game that the Chargers arguably should have won. He also led a mediocre team to the playoffs and a wild card round win against the Bengals in 2013. He has taken a team that has more often than not been average at best and elevated them to playoff contention. Even the best QB can't win it all without a strong team around him and Rivers has more than proven himself to be a great QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 06, 2016, 07:21:00 AM
Yeah, I've had this exact debate in this thread already. For me championships are A factor in evaluating a player, but not THE factor.

I simply meant when someone says a winning quarterback, they might be referring to winning championships.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 06, 2016, 07:25:13 AM
He kept San Diego close to the Patriots in the 2007 AFC Championship game while playing with a torn ACL in one of the gutsiest performances ever. 

One of the greatest sports performances these eyes have ever seen. Ever.


I love me some Phillip Rivers. LOVE.


Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2016, 07:31:32 AM


If you want to not back down from saying something that is factually untrue, have at it.  The facts show that over the course of his career Philip Rivers has been a winning QB.

Playoff record?  Super Bowls? 

I'll save you the Google:   4-5 in the post season, 84.5 QB rating.   Under 60% completion PCT., and 11/9 TD/INT ratio.    These are not elite QB numbers with the game/season on the line.    I fully understand that "team" is important, but you can't tell me that they haven't had more talent than guys like David Tyree and yet, Eli has two (LaDanian Tomlinson, for one, Antonio Gates for another). 

Look, we don't have to argue:  I simply think that the measure of a QB is what happens when the game/season is on the line.  Some guys come through with what is necessary to win the game - Brady, Manning(s), Brees (on occasion), Rodgers, Flacco, Roethlisberger - and some guys don't - Romo, and I put Rivers here.   If you think he's a good QB that's fine. I would probably take him on my fantasy team if I had no shot at the big number guys, and I'd probably do okay. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2016, 07:33:37 AM
He kept San Diego close to the Patriots in the 2007 AFC Championship game while playing with a torn ACL in one of the gutsiest performances ever. 

One of the greatest sports performances these eyes have ever seen. Ever.


I love me some Phillip Rivers. LOVE.

I was at that game and he won me over with his toughness and grit. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 06, 2016, 07:35:44 AM
Speaking of Ladanian Tomlinson..

If you just switched the channel and didn't know the score, how would you know if the Chargers were winning or losing?

On the sidelines, if LT has his helmet on, they're losing. If they're winning, he has it off.



Pussy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
And always whining about something.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2016, 07:40:51 AM
If you want to not back down from saying something that is factually untrue, have at it.  The facts show that over the course of his career Philip Rivers has been a winning QB.

Depends on how you define what a "winning" QB is. It could be by simple win-lose stats or it could be by something else kinda important, like you know...a championship?

But judging a QB by how many titles he has is unfair. That would mean Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are arguably the two greatest QB's of all time but they couldn't win championships when they didn't have a complete team around them. Philip Rivers has never had an elite team around him or a top tier head coach to play for, yet he has kept the Chargers relevant and even won some big playoff games with them. He kept San Diego close to the Patriots in the 2007 AFC Championship game while playing with a torn ACL in one of the gutsiest performances ever. He led an incomplete Chargers team to 14-2 in 2006 (with a big assist from Ladanian Tomlinson) before falling to New England in the divisional round and then to a 13-3 record in 2009 before his kicker missed three easy field goals again in the divisional round against the Jets in a game that the Chargers arguably should have won. He also led a mediocre team to the playoffs and a wild card round win against the Bengals in 2013. He has taken a team that has more often than not been average at best and elevated them to playoff contention. Even the best QB can't win it all without a strong team around him and Rivers has more than proven himself to be a great QB.

My lifelong friend, colleague (we're both attorneys) and sometime roommate (we lived together in law school) have had this running argument since around 1990.   I'm a Giants fan, and he is a DIE HARD Dolphins fan.   I maintain (half kiddingly, I admit) that Phil Simms is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.

Look, it's like music.  It all depends on what stat/metric you want to pick.  In terms of total possible career statistics, there is no question that Marino is more accomplished than Simms or Dilfer (or Flacco, or even Eli).  BUT... I think the whole purpose of having 55 guys, of playing 16 games a year, then playoffs, is to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.   I think - and I've said this before - that there is an intangible in some pro athletes that they just know how to win.  They know when the 45 yard bomb with acrobatic catch is pretty, and goes on the highlight reel, but the 8 yard screen to set the receiver up to go out of bounds so you can kick the game winning field goal is the best play FOR THE TEAM.   I honestly and truly believe that last years Super Bowl was top three of Peyton's greatest performances, simply because he put everything else aside - the legacy, the pride, the ego, the competitiveness - and did EXACTLY what was necessary to win. 

I get that I am biased here, and I don't expect people to agree with me.  But Rivers and Marino barking at their receivers - while they are on the sideline, I might add, and therefore NOT scoring - and ultimately losing the game is not what I look for in a QB.  I think it takes more than a strong arm and quick feet to be the total package as an NFL QB, and Rivers and Marino don't have it.  They have a lot of pieces - pieces that Dilfer and Simms don't have - but they don't have the total package like a Brady, Montana, Staubach, Bradshaw, Manning, Unitas, Rodgers (though I'd like to see him win another SB before the jury can enter their verdict). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2016, 07:47:01 AM
So, judging by the QBs you listed, "total package" means:

 - great offensive line
 - great receiving corps
 - great backs
 - great coach
 - good-to-great defense
 - great coordinators

Truly, the qualities to be a great QB.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
He kept San Diego close to the Patriots in the 2007 AFC Championship game while playing with a torn ACL in one of the gutsiest performances ever. 

One of the greatest sports performances these eyes have ever seen. Ever.


I love me some Phillip Rivers. LOVE.

Awesome display of physical courage, no question (though I'll date myself and say Kellen Winslow in that game against Miami has that beat), but what was the outcome?   

You're sort of putting me in the position of being more of a dick than I really want to be, but I have to ask this:  was that "a great sports performance" or something else?  The game before Rivers got knocked out, and Billy Volek engineered the game winning drive.   In that "courageous" game, the Chargers didn't score a TD, and relied on four field goals.  Who's to say that a healthy Volek couldn't have turned even one of those drives into a touchdown (I don't think he could; that was the "season" for the Patriots, who seemed destined at that point to continue their run). 

Look, I'm making a point here.  I deeply admire someone who is willing to put their wellbeing on the line in the service of their team.  Kirk Gibson (fucker couldn't even walk to the plate and puts one in the bleachers.  Amazing.).  Derek Jeter.  Any number of Patriots who give everything they have for Belichick.   That doesn't necessarily make them an elite QB. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2016, 08:10:08 AM
So, judging by the QBs you listed, "total package" means:

 - great offensive line
 - great receiving corps
 - great backs
 - great coach
 - good-to-great defense
 - great coordinators

Truly, the qualities to be a great QB.  :)

No, those are the qualities of a winning organization.   Winning organizations have winning QBs.  Dallas has had most of those at one time or another in the last decade, but how many Super Bowls do they have?   Most of those were present in Miami as well (though I guess not "good-to-great defense" if they are in 41-38 shootouts every week).   

I don't know what you want me to tell you.  None of this exists in a vacuum, and there is no perfect answer.  But I do think that there are some guys that have the intangible of "winner" and some don't.   I don't know how else to say it. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 06, 2016, 08:15:23 AM

You're sort of putting me in the position of being more of a dick than I really want to be, but I have to ask this:  was that "a great sports performance" or something else?  The game before Rivers got knocked out, and Billy Volek engineered the game winning drive.   In that "courageous" game, the Chargers didn't score a TD, and relied on four field goals.  Who's to say that a healthy Volek couldn't have turned even one of those drives into a touchdown (I don't think he could; that was the "season" for the Patriots, who seemed destined at that point to continue their run). 

   That doesn't necessarily make them an elite QB.

It was a great performance in a sporting event. That's all. An extremely memorable moment in time.

I never said he was elite. I did say that I love him. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
I actually agree with Stadler in that Rivers is not really a "winner".  Sure he wins games and sure he puts up good stats, but I don't believe he has "it".  I'd choose him on my team over most QBs, but I would not put him in the top tier of QB category.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 06, 2016, 08:27:03 AM
Stadler, for what it's worth, I'm with you on these last couple posts.

So, judging by the QBs you listed, "total package" means:

 - great offensive line
 - great receiving corps
 - great backs
 - great coach
 - good-to-great defense
 - great coordinators

Truly, the qualities to be a great QB.  :)

Here's a crazy thought. What if a great QB creates some of these things? What if his effective decision making in the pocket makes the o-line better, what if his work in practice with the receivers make that corps better, what if his ability to read the field and audible to runs in certain situations elevates the performance of the running backs, what if he challenges his coaches with his desire to learn and expand the depth of the playbook to try new things, etc...?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2016, 08:34:09 AM
Yeah, that's a crazy thought.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 06, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Yeah, that's a crazy thought.

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 06, 2016, 08:53:54 AM
If you're a great QB, you make the other players around you great.  It's what you do.

Mikey is absolutely right.  Not a crazy thought at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2016, 09:00:05 AM
If you're a great QB, you make the other players around you great.  It's what you do.

Mikey is absolutely right.  Not a crazy thought at all.

I don't see anything crazy about it.  Peyton Manning is an example of someone who made everyone around him great, including the o-line by getting the ball out of his hand quickly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2016, 09:24:04 AM
How does that make the OL better?  That disguises how bad they may really be by getting rid of the ball so quickly - less time they have to block.

Look, I'm just saying that Joe Montana had Bill Walsh as a coach, Roger Craig at RB, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, and Dwight Clark to throw to, and Ronnie Lott among others on defense.  He was as "great" as he was because his team assembled a great team around him.

I'm not saying Phillip Rivers is Joe Montana by any stretch, but if Joe Montana had to work with what Rivers has had to work with, I don't believe for a second that he would be the same Joe Montana that he was in San Francisco. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2016, 11:41:23 AM
How does that make the OL better?  That disguises how bad they may really be by getting rid of the ball so quickly - less time they have to block.

Look, I'm just saying that Joe Montana had Bill Walsh as a coach, Roger Craig at RB, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, and Dwight Clark to throw to, and Ronnie Lott among others on defense.  He was as "great" as he was because his team assembled a great team around him.

I'm not saying Phillip Rivers is Joe Montana by any stretch, but if Joe Montana had to work with what Rivers has had to work with, I don't believe for a second that he would be the same Joe Montana that he was in San Francisco.

I disagree with that vociferously.   One, he had a better running back (Tomlinson) and a better tight end (Gates).   Neither Craig nor Clark did as well without Montana.    Two, I think you're ignoring the examples I gave.  Who had better talent around him the last five years than Tony Romo?   Murray, Bryant, Witten... jeez, Louise.   I'd like a crack at running that offense.  And it isn't as if Romo is "bad"; he's not.  He's a talented guy, no doubt, and by all accounts his athleticism is off the charts. 

BUT:    given an offense at random, the ball on your own 20 yard line, and 2:00 to get into field goal position, I think Montana gets you there more often than not, as does Brady, Manning and Rogers, and somehow, if we're having this conversation after that session, we'd be making excuses for Romo, Rivers and Marino.  This hurts.  That pass was tipped.  That route wasn't run right.   It's really funny how Montana and Manning BOTH had neck fusion surgery, but still won.    They both seem to avoid the tipped passes and misrun routes (or they don't matter as much to them).  Again, I'm talking about the intangibles.

Surely you know people in your life that fall into this, no?  The guy that no matter what it looks like he always seems to end up in a better spot than he started, and that guy that no matter how much goes on around him, he finds a way to end up a step short. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2016, 11:55:14 AM
BTW, all these QB injurys and people like to give vrap to QB's like Brady that get the ball out quick.  That's the main reason he's been able to stay on the field except for one season.  It's helped extend his football career. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
I'm just saying that football is not an individual sport, it's a team sport.  And most of the guys who are normally lauded as the greatest QBs ever happen to have been on some of the greatest teams ever.  And that's no coincidence.

Two-minute drills are easier to run if you are throwing to other HOFers than if you are throwing to whoever Phillip Rivers has been throwing to his whole career.  I don't think you can say any given player who has racked up the stats and longevity of Rivers is not a "winner" because he didn't have the team assembled around him that some other guys have. 

As good as Marino was, if he had had good RBs and even a good defense, there's no telling what he could have done.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2016, 03:57:38 PM


If you want to not back down from saying something that is factually untrue, have at it.  The facts show that over the course of his career Philip Rivers has been a winning QB.

Playoff record?  Super Bowls? 

I'll save you the Google:   4-5 in the post season, 84.5 QB rating.   Under 60% completion PCT., and 11/9 TD/INT ratio.    These are not elite QB numbers with the game/season on the line.    I fully understand that "team" is important, but you can't tell me that they haven't had more talent than guys like David Tyree and yet, Eli has two (LaDanian Tomlinson, for one, Antonio Gates for another). 

Look, we don't have to argue:  I simply think that the measure of a QB is what happens when the game/season is on the line.  Some guys come through with what is necessary to win the game - Brady, Manning(s), Brees (on occasion), Rodgers, Flacco, Roethlisberger - and some guys don't - Romo, and I put Rivers here.   If you think he's a good QB that's fine. I would probably take him on my fantasy team if I had no shot at the big number guys, and I'd probably do okay.

First off, the David Tyree comment was pointless, since it implies that Eli has spent his career throwing to scrubs like Tyree, when that is not true at all; Eli has almost always had at least one stud WR.  I am not sure Rivers has ever had a stud WR, although he did have a beastly Tomlinson for a while and Gates for all of his career.  Also, Eli had Coughlin, a likely HoF coach for most of his career, while Rivers had Schottenheimer for one and then mediocre/bad head coaches for the rest.

Second, Eli is not as good as Rivers.  Never has been, never will be.  Eli having two Super Bowls is like the flukiest thing ever, especially when you consider he has missed the playoffs in almost every other season he has been in the NFL.  He is not a QB who is good enough to get his team to the playoffs on a regular basis.  Eli needs a Buress, Nicks (in his prime), Cruz (pre-injury) or Beckham to be really good or great. Rivers, on the other hand, this year is playing great despite missing his number 1 WR, his great pass catching RB and his future HoF TE.  Oh, but his defense keeps blowing leads, so that means he's not good, right?

I actually agree with Stadler in that Rivers is not really a "winner".  Sure he wins games and sure he puts up good stats, but I don't believe he has "it".  I'd choose him on my team over most QBs, but I would not put him in the top tier of QB category.

I wouldn't either.  My argument has been that Rivers is not the horrible QB Stadler claimed he was.

At this point, I would say Rivers is in that 7-12 range of QBs.  He was almost in the same tier as Manning, Brady and Brees back in the late 00s (before Rodgers had elevated into that top tier), when he led the NFL in YPA three seasons in a row, a phenomenal achievement (since YPA is usually one of the best indicators of how good a QB is).



I'm not saying Phillip Rivers is Joe Montana by any stretch, but if Joe Montana had to work with what Rivers has had to work with, I don't believe for a second that he would be the same Joe Montana that he was in San Francisco.

Exactly.  I am not saying that Rivers is an all-time great who is in the same tier as the best of the best, but he has been a very good QB, and at times great, QB for pretty much all of his NFL career. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2016, 04:12:59 PM
That's what makes Brady so special.   Yes he's had some very good relievers but look at the turnover in free agency.  I love Montana but in that era, no one left a team.  It was very rare. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2016, 05:24:54 PM
Kev, just for you. :lol

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/FB_IMG_1475796087321_zpsielatf4y.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/FB_IMG_1475796087321_zpsielatf4y.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2016, 06:34:06 PM
 :lol :lol

I am surprised almost no one is talking about what is sure to be an epic trash talk fest this weekend between Steve Smith and Josh Norman. I hope Smith treats Norman like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2MZMwx3Mck
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 06, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
 :lol However, that kinda looked like he grabbed and threw him down by the face mask.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
Offensive players are inexplicably allowed to do that apparently, but if a defensive player does it, flags come flying.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 06, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Yeah, I guess so.  :lol

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the NFC West basement bowl is off to a quick start tonight.  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dream Team on October 06, 2016, 08:22:26 PM
Montana and Young probably cry themselves to sleep over how bad the Niners are. The one win was a complete fluke.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 07, 2016, 08:59:45 AM
I wouldn't either.  My argument has been that Rivers is not the horrible QB Stadler claimed he was.

At this point, I would say Rivers is in that 7-12 range of QBs.  He was almost in the same tier as Manning, Brady and Brees back in the late 00s (before Rodgers had elevated into that top tier), when he led the NFL in YPA three seasons in a row, a phenomenal achievement (since YPA is usually one of the best indicators of how good a QB is).

I've already conceded that "horrible" was hyperbole.  Does he SUCK ASS?  No, of course not.  You don't start 16 games a year for 10 years straight if you suck ass.   I get it.  BUT HE DOESN'T WIN THE GAMES HE NEEDS TO WIN.  If your team is a contender - let's say the Minnesota Vikings, by way of example - and your starting QB goes down, I say you look elsewhere before you go after Philip Rivers.  That's all I'm saying (and I would expect you to even disagree with that based on what you've said elsewhere, and that's fine). 


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Exactly.  I am not saying that Rivers is an all-time great who is in the same tier as the best of the best, but he has been a very good QB, and at times great, QB for pretty much all of his NFL career.

But he doesn't win the games he has to win, and I don't think that's on his teammates alone. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2016, 09:00:24 AM
:lol :lol

I am surprised almost no one is talking about what is sure to be an epic trash talk fest this weekend between Steve Smith and Josh Norman. I hope Smith treats Norman like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2MZMwx3Mck
That would be acceptable lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Stadler on October 07, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
I love pro football, and watch it religiously, but lately I've not been so diligent on watching the Thursday Night Games.  And I figured out why:  the uniforms.  It doesn't seem like PRO FOOTBALL to me.  Last night's game was dully lit, and with the unis it looked like two college teams I could give a fuck less about playing.  I switched it off and played Assassin's Creed Brotherhood online instead. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 07, 2016, 09:33:21 AM
I think you've got it wrong Stadler.  It's not the colors it the quality of play on TNF.  These players have no time to heal.  Their quality of play is affected by that as well as a short time to prepare for each other.

I also think we as fans are saturated with too many nights.  Football is an event, once a week and now it feels like they play every night but don't.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 07, 2016, 09:38:50 AM
I think you've got it wrong Stadler.  It's not the colors it the quality of play on TNF.  These players have no time to heal.  Their quality of play is affected by that as well as a short time to prepare for each other.

I also think we as fans are saturated with too many nights.  Football is an event, once a week and now it feels like they play every night but don't.

I like the Thursday Night Opener in Week 1.

I like 2 games on Thanksgiving.

Other than that, not a fan of Thursday night football as a whole.

But as said many times, it's a money-maker for the league, so it's hear to stay, unless they want to PROVE that player safety is paramount.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 07, 2016, 09:45:11 AM
That I can agree with.  There should be byes after these games for 10 days off like the London game though one team this year did not want the bye.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2016, 10:28:28 AM
Thursday night football (except for Thanksgiving) and the color rush uniforms should both be abolished.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2016, 06:14:18 PM
I wouldn't either.  My argument has been that Rivers is not the horrible QB Stadler claimed he was.

At this point, I would say Rivers is in that 7-12 range of QBs.  He was almost in the same tier as Manning, Brady and Brees back in the late 00s (before Rodgers had elevated into that top tier), when he led the NFL in YPA three seasons in a row, a phenomenal achievement (since YPA is usually one of the best indicators of how good a QB is).

I've already conceded that "horrible" was hyperbole.  Does he SUCK ASS?  No, of course not.  You don't start 16 games a year for 10 years straight if you suck ass.   I get it.  BUT HE DOESN'T WIN THE GAMES HE NEEDS TO WIN.  If your team is a contender - let's say the Minnesota Vikings, by way of example - and your starting QB goes down, I say you look elsewhere before you go after Philip Rivers.  That's all I'm saying (and I would expect you to even disagree with that based on what you've said elsewhere, and that's fine). 


BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH TEAM AROUND HIM.

See, I can yell, too. ;)

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Exactly.  I am not saying that Rivers is an all-time great who is in the same tier as the best of the best, but he has been a very good QB, and at times great, QB for pretty much all of his NFL career.

But he doesn't win the games he has to win, and I don't think that's on his teammates alone.

I agree.  It's on his teammates AND the front office for not giving him a better team with which to play.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Rattlehead on October 07, 2016, 07:59:20 PM
Thursday night football (except for Thanksgiving) and the color rush uniforms should both be abolished.

Agreed. It's unfortunate that they will probably never get rid of them though  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2016, 06:52:22 AM
I can't help but wonder if that will be a point of emphasis in a few years. I think a long strike is almost inevitable, since the players' union is gonna have a long list of things they want changed, and you know the high and mighty jackass owners aren't going to want to budge much on any of them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2016, 06:56:39 AM
They should Kev but since their NFL life is so short, they may hesitate.  It's funny, this article 46 has been in forever but until this commissioner,  have you seen the other commissioners abuse this power?

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2016, 07:45:54 AM
Probably not, but he's the only commish we've had in the social media age, which tends to blow everything up into a major story, so it is hard to judge him against commissioners of the past in that regard.  I am sure Goodell wouldn't come off as favorable either way, but I am sure you catch my drift.  :coolio
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2016, 07:52:18 AM
I do. I know he's the owner's puppet but what surprised me is he knows the law and brought this attention to Article 46.  Before the last few years none of us fans knew about it. 

Now it's on the players radar.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2016, 07:56:22 AM
Not like I want to see the Patriots win the Super Bowl, but it would be hilarious to see Goodell have to hand them the Lombardi Trophy.  And the Patriots won't take the high road like Mark Cuban did a few years ago (when he allowed the Mavs old owner to accept the trophy from David Stern).  Hopefully, it will never come to that. :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2016, 08:17:49 AM
I would love to see Brady get the MVP. :lol

To see Goodell hand the trophy to Brady.  Still waaaaayy to early to be thinking like that.  Besides, you and I know how important that game in Denver is this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2016, 08:25:51 AM
True, but does the commish even hand the MVP the trophy anymore?  Seems like by that point the mic has been handed off to the main broadcaster of whatever station the game is on and that guy gives the MVP his trophy.  Like, didn't Jim Nantz give Von Miller the MVP trophy this past Super Bowl?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2016, 08:38:18 AM
There's a ceremony the next day where the commish and the MVP are in front of the media.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2016, 08:40:13 AM
Ah, okay.  I guess we can then look forward to the Patriots not getting the calls for once at crucial moments. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2016, 08:47:44 AM
 :lol

To post like a famous coach, "We are only focusing in the Browns".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Skeever on October 08, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
Why do people hate Thursday Night Football so much? I really enjoy it, it's a nice break midweek. And it's football. On Thursday. When you'd otherwise get none...

I get the matchups aren't always that great, but I look forward to watching it regardless.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: pogoowner on October 08, 2016, 10:26:26 PM
It's just such bad football, though. No one's healthy and the teams don't have time to install a real gameplan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 09, 2016, 08:42:52 AM
It's just such bad football, though. No one's healthy and the teams don't have time to install a real gameplan.

Exactly. The teams don't even do a full practice before the game. The most they do is a small walk through going through basic plays on the Monday before.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
Why do people hate Thursday Night Football so much? I really enjoy it, it's a nice break midweek. And it's football. On Thursday. When you'd otherwise get none...

I get the matchups aren't always that great, but I look forward to watching it regardless.

Oh, I still look forward to most of the games (not this week's, which I mostly avoided...Gabbert vs Stanton? No thanks), but it's still a diluted product.

Between the shitty Thursday night games and the NFL often doing whatever they can to not have the best games on the day, we often see more bad football than good.

To illustrate what I just referred to there, in St. Louis today, we are not getting either Denver/Atlanta or Houston/Minnesota, two games which features a 4-0 team vs a 3-1 one, but are getting stuck watching the Cleveland Browns.  How in the world the STL market got stuck with the NE/Cleveland game is beyond me.

And don't even get me started on Dallas being a featured game of the week literally every single week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 09:19:30 AM
I pulled some strings Kev just for you. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 09:25:27 AM
I pulled some strings Kev just for you. :lol
:lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 09:51:07 AM
I pulled some strings Kev just for you. :lol

(https://theseventhart.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/heat-04.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 09, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
Redzone for the win
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: pogoowner on October 09, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
To illustrate what I just referred to there, in St. Louis today, we are not getting either Denver/Atlanta or Houston/Minnesota, two games which features a 4-0 team vs a 3-1 one, but are getting stuck watching the Cleveland Browns.  How in the world the STL market got stuck with the NE/Cleveland game is beyond me.
The Browns are actually a fun watch, though. Crowell and Pryor are both exciting players.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 09, 2016, 11:32:19 AM
LOL Pitt's unis.  The beehive is alive!  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
I apologize for what I said earlier about not getting the Hou/Minn game.  I forgot that the Texans are a gutless team that is awful against above average teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
 :lol

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Cool Chris on October 09, 2016, 12:41:16 PM
Remember the good ol' days when a team wore the same damn uniforms all season long?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 12:42:54 PM
Remember the good ol' days when a team wore the same damn uniforms all season long?

Nope, they pulled this crap even in the 80's.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
The pink crap is the worst.  There's got to be a better way to show support for breast cancer awareness than having every team draped in pink for a freaking month.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 01:55:25 PM
And now to enjoy all the internet trolls that say "System QB" whenever talking about the Pats.   I big lol to you folks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 01:58:13 PM
He's not a system QB, obviously, but this was against Cleveland.  Simmer down.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 01:59:44 PM
Whitehurst now limping off the field.

Browns QBs=Spinal Tap's drummers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 02:02:38 PM
Whitehurst now limping off the field.

Browns QBs=Spinal Tap's drummers.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 02:10:55 PM
He's not a system QB, obviously, but this was against Cleveland.  Simmer down.  :biggrin:

Like you haven't seen it against every team Kev.  I'm just having fun with all this system crap you heard the first 3 weeks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 02:13:40 PM
I believe it's called The Brady System.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: SystematicThought on October 09, 2016, 03:19:04 PM
Went to the Houston/Minnesota game. Lotta fun to watch, as has every game this season. I love US Bank Stadium too, it really does feel like you're outside. And when they do the Skol cheer, it gets loud. Overall, really fun day out with my dad and brother.

The only negative. The guy behind me. Super loud and would yell, like people do at football games. No big deal to me, glad you're into it. I enjoy watching the game, and clapping for big plays and players. I'm having fun. Apparently, the guy didn't appreciate it. He kept kicking my seat slapping my back (I have a bad back), and making comments: "I never want to sit behind these three again, they're dead. Stay home if you don't want to cheer. Why waste money if you're not going to yell and cheer." When people in our row went to leave, we stood up to let them through. "Oh, they do stand up. Maybe they should go home too." We would stand when they scored a touchdown and when there was a big play. I just don't like to yell and cheer like that. But apparently we were ruining this guy's day. In my mind, there's cheering and then just being obnoxious, this guy was rude and obnoxious. We were doing what others were doing, but apparently we got under this dude's skin. Whatever, I didn't let him ruin my game, like we apparently did his.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 09, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Whitehurst now limping off the field.

Browns QBs=Spinal Tap's drummers.

 :rollin (the reference, not the fact that they are potentially down to their sixth string QB)

Whoever put the voodoo curse on Cleveland, just lift it.  It's really not that funny anymore.  Throw it on Baltimore, the are more deserving of it for stealing the original Browns.  Or Indy for for taking the Colts first - though as a Steeler fan I'd prefer the Rat Birds.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 04:20:10 PM
He's not a system QB, obviously, but this was against Cleveland.  Simmer down.  :biggrin:

Like you haven't seen it against every team Kev.  I'm just having fun with all this system crap you heard the first 3 weeks.

(https://www.relatably.com/m/img/aware-memes/dbe6fe16ee983b90388236005db67ab9ed53ec6e42a8223242378f9e71b1a1d6.jpg)




The only negative. The guy behind me. Super loud and would yell, like people do at football games. No big deal to me, glad you're into it. I enjoy watching the game, and clapping for big plays and players. I'm having fun. Apparently, the guy didn't appreciate it. He kept kicking my seat slapping my back (I have a bad back), and making comments: "I never want to sit behind these three again, they're dead. Stay home if you don't want to cheer. Why waste money if you're not going to yell and cheer." When people in our row went to leave, we stood up to let them through. "Oh, they do stand up. Maybe they should go home too." We would stand when they scored a touchdown and when there was a big play. I just don't like to yell and cheer like that. But apparently we were ruining this guy's day. In my mind, there's cheering and then just being obnoxious, this guy was rude and obnoxious. We were doing what others were doing, but apparently we got under this dude's skin. Whatever, I didn't let him ruin my game, like we apparently did his.

That sucks.  Idiots like that are games are the worst. :tdwn :town

As for this Broncos game, games like this will happen when you have a first year starter at QB.  If nothing else, it's clear that Siemian should be the guy for now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 04:21:12 PM
Watching Prescott.
Next Browns QB-Tony Romo..
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 04:24:13 PM
Dallas needs to stick with Prescott.

And get rid of Dez Bryant.  They don't need that diva WR to win.  WRs are overrated anyway when it comes to winning real football games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 04:27:55 PM
Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: pogoowner on October 09, 2016, 04:42:20 PM
I don't think there's any reason to send Romo out to pasture yet. If he's healthy, he's still the better QB. But when he comes back, Dallas needs to stick to the kind of offense they're running right now. If they try to open it up too much again, it'll probably backfire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 04:52:43 PM
That might all be true, but the offense is rolling good now and you don't mess with what is working.  Romo is too injury-prone now anyway, so might as well keep him for the rest of the year as the best backup in the league.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 05:12:09 PM
Look at the '01 Pats. Even when Bledsoe was cleared, Belichick still stuck with Brady. And it was not popular around here either. But he saw how the team was responding.

Wonder if Garrett has the balls, or even has the power to make the call.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
I disagree Tim, fans were disappointed with Bledsoe's play for a few years and the team with Brady was at least competitive before the 6 wins at the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 05:16:35 PM
There were many still in the Bledsoe camp, and if not unpopular, it was still a bold move by the coach. My point is that the Cowboys find themselves in a similar situation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 09, 2016, 05:26:16 PM

Wonder if Garrett has the balls, or even has the power to make the call.

He probably has neither. Meddling owner Jerry Jones has already stated that the job is Romo's upon his return. But I suppose the old man can change his mind.


Impressive start of the season by Atlanta.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 05:28:05 PM
Oh most definitely.   The difference is Romo can still play at a very good level but like Kev said, he can't stay on the field.

The more we see all these QB injuries,  I see now how Brady keeps his hands up and when he's hit, he's not falling on his shoulders.   These defensive players are so damn big and fast these days.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 06:07:39 PM
In other news, the Chargers lost 34-31, aided by a botched snap at the end of the game on a FG attempt that could have tied the game.  We are still waiting on confirmation that Rivers was the snapper, because since the Chargers lost, it has to be his fault.  Stay posted. :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 09, 2016, 06:48:24 PM
In other news, the Chargers lost 34-31, aided by a botched snap at the end of the game on a FG attempt that could have tied the game.  We are still waiting on confirmation that Rivers was the snapper, because since the Chargers lost, it has to be his fault.  Stay posted. :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: contest_sanity on October 09, 2016, 06:57:55 PM
Do my eyes deceive me? Are the Falcons good?

lol... hate to confidently feel good about the team just yet, but today was another solid game... against a rookie QB, yes... but I was very impressed with how the O-line held up against Denver.

Stat of the day tho: Matt Ryan completed passes to 7 different receivers: a season LOW...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: orcus116 on October 09, 2016, 07:15:18 PM
Giants aren't playing well but my God are they giving this game away on penalties.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dream Team on October 09, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
Great day to be a Steelers fan. Ben shreds the Jets; Ravens and Bengals look totally inept, and the Simpsons episode pokes fun at the Patriots.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: kaos2900 on October 10, 2016, 06:51:47 AM
Romo is the better passer. With that RB and O-line they will have the potential to make a run with Romo adding the deep pass threat. Dak has played well but you go with the most talent.

Who would have thought the Vikings would be 5-0!?!?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Skeever on October 10, 2016, 07:03:56 AM
Head down today as reality sinks in. Todd Bowles is not a good football coach. Gameplans are vanilla as can be, playcalling is overly conservative, clock management is bad. The Jets are not going to win with Bowles at the helm.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Stadler on October 10, 2016, 07:25:01 AM
In other news, the Chargers lost 34-31, aided by a botched snap at the end of the game on a FG attempt that could have tied the game.  We are still waiting on confirmation that Rivers was the snapper, because since the Chargers lost, it has to be his fault.  Stay posted. :P

Depends; was he screaming at him on the sideline like he does his receivers? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2016, 07:53:25 AM
Damn the Giants are hard to watch.  From the massive amount of penalties to not getting any bit of pressure on defense.  Their good start is really fading and crumbling.  Luckily for them, the two wins are in the division that could help if they actually fix their issues, but that seems unlikely as Dallas looks legit.  Glad to have Elliot on my fantasy team at least  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 09:22:24 AM
Eli looks awful this year.

Rodgers still isn't himself. Still not sure if it's the predictable play calling or maybe he's just not the player he once was. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Eli looks awful this year. 

Yea, he looks very lost.  It's crazy because the Giants have such good receivers, but i think not having a run game is really hurting the pass game.  Eli looked significantly better with Jennings and Vereen playing.  Lately he has looked like a deer in headlights. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 10, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
Romo is the better passer. With that RB and O-line they will have the potential to make a run with Romo adding the deep pass threat. Dak has played well but you go with the most talent.

Dak has been more accurate than Romo and doesn't turn the ball over.  I'm sure Dak can throw the ball deep when the opportunity is there.  They don't need a long pass threat.  Their strategy has been methodical by running the ball and quick short passes.  Keeping the other team's defense on the field and theirs off the field.

If Dak continues to play well, then my vote is to keep him in.


Dallas needs to stick with Prescott.

And get rid of Dez Bryant.  They don't need that diva WR to win.  WRs are overrated anyway when it comes to winning real football games.

Totally agree and Dez is like TO.  Don't need that again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2016, 09:43:50 AM
I'd keep Dak.  He is more likely the future of Dallas than Romo. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: El Barto on October 10, 2016, 10:23:47 AM
Romo represents the higher upside for this season. DP is probably the better QB and certainly the future of the team, but we're seeing solid, consistent play from him. Romo can bring spectacular play, which I'm not sure DP is up for yet.

Either way. Dallas is a bona fide team at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 10, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
Not sure what you mean by DP not up for spectacular play.  He has already proven that he is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: El Barto on October 10, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
Spectacular in his solidness, perhaps. He's yet to crack 300 yards. He's got one 2 touchdown game. Again, he's playing very, very well, but he hasn't seemed like he's ready to explode for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns. Romo is a threat to do that when he's healthy. Were it me, I'd keep the guy in even if Romo were healthy. I'm just pointing out that there is an argument to be made for Romo playing. Greater upside for the very immediate future.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: kaos2900 on October 10, 2016, 12:04:27 PM
I think the Patriots and Cowboys should both be pleased that they have their QB's of the future. Especially considering the amount of teams that don't have ONE solid starting QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: El Barto on October 10, 2016, 03:43:54 PM
I'm not banking on Garappalo being the QB of the future. Might be. Might pull a Cassel and bolt for stupid, unwarranted money.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 10, 2016, 03:48:46 PM
It's hard to bank on it because there's no telling how much longer Brady can play. It's not like he'll be slated to take over in the near future.
The Pats do have a decision to make at some point though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 04:14:44 PM
The thing about Brady is how durable he is but also can read a play before and during that he can get rid of a pass so fast and not get hit.

People crap on the so called 2 yard dump but it's proven to keep him upright.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 10, 2016, 04:38:57 PM

People crap on the so called 2 yard dump but it's proven to keep him upright.

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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: cramx3 on October 10, 2016, 05:08:08 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
 :lol


Also :TAC:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 05:56:45 PM
It's hard to bank on it because there's no telling how much longer Brady can play. It's not like he'll be slated to take over in the near future.
The Pats do have a decision to make at some point though.

If they are smart, and we know they are, they should count on Brady being Brady for the rest of this year and next, and that's it.  So it's a matter of whether or not Garappalo wants to wait two years to play again or how they'll have to work his contact for the time being (when is his contract up??).

Eli looks awful this year. 

Yea, he looks very lost.  It's crazy because the Giants have such good receivers, but i think not having a run game is really hurting the pass game.  Eli looked significantly better with Jennings and Vereen playing.  Lately he has looked like a deer in headlights.

He's missing way too many open receivers, and that has nothing to do with the running game, IMO.  He just looks like he forgot how to play QB.

Dallas needs to stick with Prescott.

And get rid of Dez Bryant.  They don't need that diva WR to win.  WRs are overrated anyway when it comes to winning real football games.

Totally agree and Dez is like TO.  Don't need that again.

From a diva standpoint, yes.

From a playing standpoint, I say no.   Dez isn't nearly the WR that Owens in his prime was.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: El Barto on October 10, 2016, 06:20:30 PM
It's hard to bank on it because there's no telling how much longer Brady can play. It's not like he'll be slated to take over in the near future.
The Pats do have a decision to make at some point though.

If they are smart, and we know they are, they should count on Brady being Brady for the rest of this year and next, and that's it.  So it's a matter of whether or not Garappalo wants to wait two years to play again or how they'll have to work his contact for the time being (when is his contract up??).
He's signed through 2017. End of next year they'll be facing a tough decision. Wacky as it may sound, they might up and dump Brady after next year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 06:29:26 PM
All depends on how he plays and if he starts to show signs of Father Time catching up.  As we all know, Father Time usually doesn't slowly creep up on you; he tip toes up and clobbers you when you're not looking.  And Brady will be 40 in less than a year. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: El Barto on October 10, 2016, 06:40:30 PM
Bill's not generally one to wait around for people to lose it. If he really thinks that Jimmy is the future he won't for Brady, either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 06:53:42 PM
The only monkey wrench is this is a one of a kind player that hasn't shown any decline.  It will happen very quick but damn, not so far.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 10, 2016, 07:45:13 PM
Dallas needs to stick with Prescott.

And get rid of Dez Bryant.  They don't need that diva WR to win.  WRs are overrated anyway when it comes to winning real football games.

Totally agree and Dez is like TO.  Don't need that again.

From a diva standpoint, yes.

From a playing standpoint, I say no.   Dez isn't nearly the WR that Owens in his prime was.

Exactly, and Dez really hasn't done much of anything to even acquire diva status to begin with.

Also, this MNF game is a snooze fest if I ever saw one.  Almost feels like a Thursday night.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 07:56:20 PM
The only monkey wrench is this is a one of a kind player that hasn't shown any decline.  It will happen very quick but damn, not so far.

That's not true that he hasn't show any decline.  He can't throw the deep ball consistently as he used to (and the numbers over the last few years demonstrate this).  Don't get me wrong, he is still great, but I am sure much of the reason they have gone to the shorter passing game is because they know he can't throw it deep as accurately and consistently anymore.


Exactly, and Dez really hasn't done much of anything to even acquire diva status to begin with.


Not to the level of Owens, but last week's report about how he has missed a ton of team meetings over the last few years is a good start. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
The deep pass mean nothing. They are not built to need it and he connected with 2 deep passes Sunday.   A great pitcher adapt when he doesn't have that 98 mph pitch all the time and that's what Brady is doing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
I said "consistently." ;)  Of those two deep passes yesterday, one was a perfect throw, and the other he overthrew Hogan, who made a diving catch on what should have been an easy catch and score.  And, again, given how smart Belichick and his coaching staff are, I suspect they reworked the offense because they could see his deep ball wasn't as good as it used to be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 08:12:26 PM
That's been the plan the last 5 or 6 years.  Also it's helped him style on the field. No need to throw the long ball unless they give it to you. 

I never get "He doesn't throw the long ball" talk.  So what, they have a hard time stopping the short ball with him., the stats prove that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 08:12:52 PM
Except when he plays the Broncos lately. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 08:20:58 PM
 :lol

That's for sure!  Though. Good stats buy not Brady stats.  The Broncos D are so damn fast.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: TAC on October 10, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
I forgot there was even a game on tonight.


WTF? Why the hell did that dude run into the punter??




Oh, and John Gruden SUCKS! Does anyone actually like him?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 08:34:40 PM
I wasn't wild about Gruden at first, because of his tendency to talk every player up, but he's toned that way down, and I think he does a really good job now; very insightful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: El Barto on October 10, 2016, 08:39:31 PM
He's annoying, but his understanding of the game is just so damned good good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 10, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
I don't mind Gruden and he does have a very good understanding of the game.  Anybody know why Terico isn't there anymore?  Maybe he didn't like Gruden.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2016, 09:26:21 PM
The lack of discipline by the Panthers is staggering.  This game is a prime example of how not to coach NFL football, on both sides.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: pogoowner on October 10, 2016, 10:18:14 PM
I don't mind Gruden and he does have a very good understanding of the game.  Anybody know why Terico isn't there anymore?  Maybe he didn't like Gruden.   :lol
Well he moved to NBC and by all reports will be replacing Al Michaels. Not a bad gig to shoot for.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Stadler on October 11, 2016, 07:31:59 AM
I made the call on Tampa in the football pool, proud to say. 

As for Brady, whether he lost a step or not, the odds favor that he has, but I think it's 10% that, and 90%, you don't need to air it out - risking interception, and more importantly, requiring more time to throw which puts HIM at risk - when you can connect regularly with Gronk, Bennett, Edelman, and Amendola on 20, 25 yarders down the middle.  The Pats OWN that section of the field, and it fits nicely with their precise timing and the one thing that Brady does as well as any quarterback in the history of the game:  GET RID OF THE BALL QUICKLY. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: splent on October 11, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE seeing the Vikings ranked that high. I can't wait to see them crash down.

You might be waiting a while. They look legit.

Yes and it makes me want to puke.

On the plus side, the packers are pretty much the only team they haven't completely dominated.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: pogoowner on October 11, 2016, 03:39:39 PM
Blaine Gabbert has finally been benched. Thank god. I don't expect Kaepernick to look much better, since the 49ers have the worst receivers in the league, and Chip Kelly's offense is pretty stale, but no one can be as inaccurate as Gabbert was down the field.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
On a day where is missing a game due to being in concussion protocol, Cam Newton decides to go riding in downtown Charlotte on a scooter...with no helmet. :facepalm:

He just doesn't get it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Post-Week 5 Power Rankings
1. Minnesota - scary defense could make them this year's 2000 Ravens or 2015 Broncos
2. New England - welcome back, Brady and Gronk
3. Denver - will miss Kubiak on a short week
4. Atlanta - time will tell if they hold up, but they are very impressive so far
5. Pittsburgh - need to avoid having more let downs to keep pace at the top
6. Dallas - touch schedule coming up will tell the tale on this team
7. Seattle - can they handle the Falcons offense?
8. Philadelphia - coming out that flat after a bye tells me that this team is still a work in progress
9. Oakland - that bad D will come back to haunt them against good teams, but their offense is becoming special
10. Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers just isn't the beast he used to be

Trending Up:

Buffalo - remember when they appeared to be falling completely apart at 0-2?
Washington - nice win big at Baltimore
Tampa Bay - two road division wins already is impressive

Trending Down:

Carolina - hard to believe this team went 17-2 last year
NY Jets - total and complete disaster
Baltimore - that 3-0 start is looking like a mirage

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Derek Carr
4. Von Miller
5. Sam Bradford
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on October 11, 2016, 04:17:21 PM
Baltimore - that 3-0 start is looking like a mirage

It looked like a mirage at the time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dream Team on October 12, 2016, 05:16:30 AM
Classic trap game for Pitt this Sunday, on the road vs an inferior opponent with NE looming around the corner. On top of that I have to worry about how many ankles and knees Suh will be trying to take out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: kaos2900 on October 12, 2016, 06:52:53 AM
On a day where is missing a game due to being in concussion protocol, Cam Newton decides to go riding in downtown Charlotte on a scooter...with no helmet. :facepalm:

He just doesn't get it.

I don't get why this is a big deal. It's a freaking segway.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: kaos2900 on October 12, 2016, 06:54:19 AM
Post-Week 5 Power Rankings
1. Minnesota - scary defense could make them this year's 2000 Ravens or 2015 Broncos
2. New England - welcome back, Brady and Gronk
3. Denver - will miss Kubiak on a short week
4. Atlanta - time will tell if they hold up, but they are very impressive so far
5. Pittsburgh - need to avoid having more let downs to keep pace at the top
6. Dallas - touch schedule coming up will tell the tale on this team
7. Seattle - can they handle the Falcons offense?
8. Philadelphia - coming out that flat after a bye tells me that this team is still a work in progress
9. Oakland - that bad D will come back to haunt them against good teams, but their offense is becoming special
10. Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers just isn't the beast he used to be

Trending Up:

Buffalo - remember when they appeared to be falling completely apart at 0-2?
Washington - nice win big at Baltimore
Tampa Bay - two road division wins already is impressive

Trending Down:

Carolina - hard to believe this team went 17-2 last year
NY Jets - total and complete disaster
Baltimore - that 3-0 start is looking like a mirage

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Derek Carr
4. Von Miller
5. Sam Bradford

I would love to see a NE vs. Pitt AFC Title game and either of those offense go up against the Vikings Defense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 12, 2016, 07:47:05 AM
Classic trap game for Pitt this Sunday, on the road vs an inferior opponent with NE looming around the corner. On top of that I have to worry about how many ankles and knees Suh will be trying to take out.

Truth.

This is the exact type of game Tomlin teams have historically looked past, taken for granted, and gotten beat.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: kaos2900 on October 12, 2016, 07:52:59 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/12/will-smith-death-new-orleans?noroute=true

This is a great article about the murder of Will Smith and how this isn't as black and white as was originally portrayed by the media.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 12, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Man, my Panthers have issues.

Can't get right.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 12, 2016, 04:46:23 PM
Dan Marino had 87 rushing yards. Over the course of his 17 seasons. To break that down, he averaged less than 1/2 a rushing yard per game, he rushed for less than a first down per season. By comparison, Peyton Manning rushed for 667 yards.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 12, 2016, 06:09:05 PM
In other news, Favre says Romo should wait until Prescott struggles.  I would tend to agree.  Don't unnecessarily disrupt the chemistry of that offense just to be loyal to Romo.  The guy is injury prone and probably rusty as hell.  On the other hand, they are paying him way too much money to be a backup.  The QB controversy is well on its way in Dallas.


BTW, nice thread title DoC.  Splent will be your new best friend.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: splent on October 12, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: splent on October 12, 2016, 06:14:37 PM
I'm more upset at the fact that the Viqueens are completely bastardizing the amazing prince song. I don't care that they are both purple or from minneapolis. YOU DON'T DO THAT. That's just WRONG.

I want to puke.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 12, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Although the Viking's defense is top notch, to be fair, their schedule has been pretty weak so far.  The only decent team they've played is GB and they barely pulled out that win by 3 points at home.  After the bye, they go to Philly.  The schedule continues to be relatively weak after that.  I think "purple reign" is premature at this point, but whatever floats their boat.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
Minnesota's five opponents thus far are a collective 11-8 in games against everyone but the Vikings.  Now, it's true that they haven't beaten a legit playoff team yet (LOL at Houston), but you can only play who's on your schedule, and the dominating nature of most of their wins has been really impressive.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 12, 2016, 07:22:45 PM
Why are anybody questioning the Vikings so far?  Seems silly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2016, 07:59:39 PM
I get why are some are taking the "wait and see" approach with them, given that we have seen plenty of teams get off to great starts and then come crashing back to earth, but they are loaded with talent and look like the real deal.  Blair Walsh has to be their biggest concern; in a close game, which they will inevitably find themselves in, can they trust that guy to make the big kick?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 12, 2016, 08:16:51 PM
As a fan outside I just love what I see.   I totally get the kicker issue but you have to love how they are trending. For Viking fans it's on to bigger and better.  They are in good hands.


Unlike Indy blowing the best QB of this generation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Rattlehead on October 12, 2016, 08:27:56 PM
It's been interesting to watch Bradford play on a good team in the NFL for the first time in his career. In the 4 games that he's played so far, the guy has completed over 70% of his passes, thrown 6 touchdown passes and doesn't have a single turnover. He has quietly been one of the best QBs in the NFL so far this season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: splent on October 12, 2016, 08:34:50 PM
Minnesota's five opponents thus far are a collective 11-8 in games against everyone but the Vikings.  Now, it's true that they haven't beaten a legit playoff team yet (LOL at Houston), but you can only play who's on your schedule, and the dominating nature of most of their wins has been really impressive.

Um.... HELLO, Green Bay isn't a legit playoff team? Unfortunately the Viqueens beat us, but we are still a legit playoff contender, even though Rodgers is putting up down to earth numbers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2016, 08:38:57 PM
I actually meant to say "except for Green Bay" there.  Relax. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 12, 2016, 08:45:46 PM
It's been interesting to watch Bradford play on a good team in the NFL for the first time in his career. In the 4 games that he's played so far, the guy has completed over 70% of his passes, thrown 6 touchdown passes and doesn't have a single turnover. He has quietly been one of the best QBs in the NFL so far this season.

I know you know this but "As long as he stays healthy".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Stadler on October 13, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
In other news, Favre says Romo should wait until Prescott struggles.  I would tend to agree.  Don't unnecessarily disrupt the chemistry of that offense just to be loyal to Romo.  The guy is injury prone and probably rusty as hell.  On the other hand, they are paying him way too much money to be a backup.  The QB controversy is well on its way in Dallas.

And we all know how well the Cowboys handle those types of "locker room issues".

Suffice to say, as a Giants fan, I am more than happy with how the Cowboys handle those types of "locker room issues".   I think Jerry Jones will do/say something utterly stupid about this situation in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 13, 2016, 08:43:10 AM
Why are anybody questioning the Vikings so far?  Seems silly.

Not that silly.  People are crowning them too early in the season.  5-0 isn't all that uncommon.
We'll see how they come off the bye week at Philly.  I'm actually a Viking's fan in week 7.  Not interested in seeing the Beagles win.


In other news, Favre says Romo should wait until Prescott struggles.  I would tend to agree.  Don't unnecessarily disrupt the chemistry of that offense just to be loyal to Romo.  The guy is injury prone and probably rusty as hell.  On the other hand, they are paying him way too much money to be a backup.  The QB controversy is well on its way in Dallas.

And we all know how well the Cowboys handle those types of "locker room issues".

Suffice to say, as a Giants fan, I am more than happy with how the Cowboys handle those types of "locker room issues".   I think Jerry Jones will do/say something utterly stupid about this situation in 3... 2... 1...

Eh, JJ has already said that Romo will start when healthy but it's still too early to tell.  Steven Jones is actually making those decisions now.  As far as locker room issues go, Romo has never been a problem there and I don't think Dak will make waves either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
I don't like what I am seeing out of the Broncos D tonight.  The offense has barely been on the field because the defense is allowing 1st down after 1st down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Rattlehead on October 13, 2016, 07:20:00 PM
Same here Kev, this has been frustrating to watch so far... looks like we may have just gotten a big break though, as the ball definitely touched Benjamin's leg and was recovered by Denver.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: El Barto on October 13, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Same here Kev, this has been frustrating to watch so far... looks like we may have just gotten a big break though, as the ball definitely touched Benjamin's leg and was recovered by Denver.
Your guys got plenty of big breaks, and failed to capitalize on any of them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 13, 2016, 09:59:03 PM
I'm more upset at the fact that the Viqueens are completely bastardizing the amazing prince song. I don't care that they are both purple or from minneapolis. YOU DON'T DO THAT. That's just WRONG.

Not sure which overreaction is greater, the hatred toward the Vikings or the love for a Prince song.

Anyway, let's keep Purple Reign where it belongs, ok? Go UW Huskies!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 14, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
Surprising to see Denver drop two in row.  Any given.....uh Thursday.  Consistency is such a fleeting thing in this league anymore, except for the Browns.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2016, 08:58:48 AM
Those uniforms last night  :yeahright
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 14, 2016, 09:14:13 AM
Those uniforms last night  :yeahright

I'm looking forward to the Ravens' color rush game. Love how those numbers pop!

(https://www.baltimoreravens.com/assets/images/imported/BAL/news-articles/2016/09-September/03/13_colorrush_news.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2016, 09:17:15 AM
I don't like any of them.

:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Stadler on October 14, 2016, 09:17:27 AM
Those uniforms last night  :yeahright

Honestly, it's making it hard to watch Thursday nights.  It's like watching bad college football, and they wonder why the ratings are down? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: pogoowner on October 14, 2016, 09:24:24 AM
That Broncos helmet last night was awesome. The rest of the uniform, not so much. The entire color rush idea is stupid. Wearing the same color from top to bottom rarely works, period. Forcing teams to do it has predictably led to heinous results.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: DragonAttack on October 14, 2016, 09:31:44 AM
I saw Splent's post, and I instantly thought of  'Color Rush Thursday'.  I see these unis, and think of what would happen if I had to wear ridiculous things like this at work. 

TNF- recall that the NFL did try this in the late 70s, and it fell out of favor real fast.  I do not understand why teams don't have a bye the Sunday BEFORE these games, for player safety.  For viewing, well, I tuned in for the last two minutes.  How long did that take?  Thirty?  There's another culprit into not enjoying games as much.

And.....how many different ways can the Chargers think of to lose/try to lose games?  Itsa always somethin'.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 14, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
LOL, the unis are the least of the NFL's problems.  Fans are interested in watching competitive football.  Want things to get really interesting?  Make all the unis the same color.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2016, 10:20:51 AM
Yeah, the unis aren't the worst thing about TNF. 

But it's up there.

I don't think there are many cases where the same color jersey/pants works very well.  Black would work, and the Panthers did that a time or two several years ago, and they were very well received.

But green?  Red?  Orange?  Blue?  Hell no, especially in the electric/neon versions the NFL trots out for these games.  Ghastly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: splent on October 14, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Color Rush is a bad idea. At least throwback is an historic rwference. Color rush is just dumb.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 14, 2016, 10:57:40 AM
NFL Mobile: Cowboys / Packers game of the week.  :lol

Thoughts Kev?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Stadler on October 14, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
LOL, the unis are the least of the NFL's problems.  Fans are interested in watching competitive football.  Want things to get really interesting?  Make all the unis the same color.   :lol

Don't disagree, but to some degree, "competitive football" is in the eye of the beerholder.   I thought the Pats game was "competitive" football, for obvious reasons.  I think any game with Cam Newton and/or Dallas is not, for (if you follow my screeds) obvious reasons.

But even me, who will watch any game between any two teams, and my wife, who views herself as a "football widow" can't stomach those live anime exhibits on Thursday night. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: RoeDent on October 14, 2016, 02:53:54 PM
Las Vegas Raiders, anyone...?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: PowerSlave on October 14, 2016, 04:35:07 PM
Las Vegas Raiders, anyone...?

I've heard that brought up a few times, but I wonder if the league would allow a team to relocate there. Gambling ect. ect...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2016, 04:35:13 PM
NFL Mobile: Cowboys / Packers game of the week.  :lol

Thoughts Kev?

3-1 team vs 4-1 team...I am fine with that.  Last year was awful, though, when Dallas had a bad record and was still featured every week on national TV.

As for the Broncos, that was pretty gross last night.  I have never seen a Broncos offensive line play as awful as the one that did last night; that was god awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 14, 2016, 07:54:03 PM
I've heard that brought up a few times, but I wonder if the league would allow a team to relocate there. Gambling ect. ect...

Everything in place in Las Vegas, everything is lacking in Oakland, and they think the required number of owners will approve it. It's gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Rattlehead on October 14, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
What an ugly game from Denver last night... not sure how you can expect to win with a game plan that conservative on offense, unless you are playing with a lead which they never had at any point last night. Obviously it didn't help that their offensive line was awful and got called for holding seemingly every time Denver did something decent on offense. I'm really hoping the extra time off to rest and prepare for Houston next Monday will help get them back on track. Hopefully they will also have Kubiak back for that game. I'm going to be there for the game, so they better get their act together  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: PowerSlave on October 14, 2016, 09:55:41 PM
I've heard that brought up a few times, but I wonder if the league would allow a team to relocate there. Gambling ect. ect...

Everything in place in Las Vegas, everything is lacking in Oakland, and they think the required number of owners will approve it. It's gonna happen.

Is it up to the owners alone, or does Goodell get any say in it? I know that the commissioner is put in place by the owners, but I don't know how the power is distributed beyond that point.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2016, 10:03:22 PM
Las Vegas Raiders, anyone...?

I've heard that brought up a few times, but I wonder if the league would allow a team to relocate there. Gambling ect. ect...

The NFL won't say it, but they care about gambling.  The reason they make such a big deal out of teams being accurate with injury reports is because of Vegas, and let's face it, they know that gambling and fantasy football play MASSIVE roles in the popularity of the league.  Vegas is perfect for them.

What an ugly game from Denver last night... not sure how you can expect to win with a game plan that conservative on offense, unless you are playing with a lead which they never had at any point last night. Obviously it didn't help that their offensive line was awful and got called for holding seemingly every time Denver did something decent on offense. I'm really hoping the extra time off to rest and prepare for Houston next Monday will help get them back on track. Hopefully they will also have Kubiak back for that game. I'm going to be there for the game, so they better get their act together  :biggrin:

Amen to that.  I worry, however, that the offensive line will wreck the offense this year, and defensive coaches are too smart to keep letting Siemian beat them week after week now that they have game tape on him.  And while the defense is still great, it's not all-time great like last year.  They aren't as great against the run this year, and teams are figuring out to match up TEs and RBs on their linebackers in the passing game.  Time for some adjustments.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 15, 2016, 08:07:56 AM
Awesome read here, written by Denver CB Chris Harris:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/top-5-nfl-receivers-chris-harris-jr/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Rattlehead on October 16, 2016, 08:28:06 AM
Amen to that.  I worry, however, that the offensive line will wreck the offense this year, and defensive coaches are too smart to keep letting Siemian beat them week after week now that they have game tape on him.  And while the defense is still great, it's not all-time great like last year.  They aren't as great against the run this year, and teams are figuring out to match up TEs and RBs on their linebackers in the passing game.  Time for some adjustments.

Couldn't agree more... unfortunately, a lot of these problems may be too difficult to address this season. I think losing Malik Jackson left a huge void in this defense. He was one of the nastiest and most underrated players on the defense. The team may have been more equipped for the loss had they not lost Vance Walker for the entire season. The lack of pressure at times has been very concerning. This team was able to survive being without DeMarcus Ware for several games last season because of players like Malik Jackson and Vance Walker. The loss of Ware is clearly much more noticeable this season because of the lack of depth on the defensive line. You just can't expect to replace guys like Jackson and Walker with a rookie and a mediocre defensive lineman in Crick.

Without guys like Jackson consistently collapsing the pocket, Quarterbacks have had a disturbing amount of time to sit back in the pocket and exploit the linebackers on this defense. This is a weakness that New England clearly identified last season, but they weren't able to take advantage of it for the most part because Denver usually was collapsing the pocket before these routes were able to develop down the field.

Oh, and thanks for sharing that article from CHJ, it was a great read  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Pats O line killing the team today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 12:31:28 PM
Amen to that.  I worry, however, that the offensive line will wreck the offense this year, and defensive coaches are too smart to keep letting Siemian beat them week after week now that they have game tape on him.  And while the defense is still great, it's not all-time great like last year.  They aren't as great against the run this year, and teams are figuring out to match up TEs and RBs on their linebackers in the passing game.  Time for some adjustments.

Couldn't agree more... unfortunately, a lot of these problems may be too difficult to address this season. I think losing Malik Jackson left a huge void in this defense. He was one of the nastiest and most underrated players on the defense. The team may have been more equipped for the loss had they not lost Vance Walker for the entire season. The lack of pressure at times has been very concerning. This team was able to survive being without DeMarcus Ware for several games last season because of players like Malik Jackson and Vance Walker. The loss of Ware is clearly much more noticeable this season because of the lack of depth on the defensive line. You just can't expect to replace guys like Jackson and Walker with a rookie and a mediocre defensive lineman in Crick.

Without guys like Jackson consistently collapsing the pocket, Quarterbacks have had a disturbing amount of time to sit back in the pocket and exploit the linebackers on this defense. This is a weakness that New England clearly identified last season, but they weren't able to take advantage of it for the most part because Denver usually was collapsing the pocket before these routes were able to develop down the field.

Oh, and thanks for sharing that article from CHJ, it was a great read  :biggrin:

Very good summation.  :tup :tup

Pats O line killing the team today.

Bengals D came to play, but their offense isn't good enough.  Losing their number 2 and 3 WRs and not having their stud TE is really hurting them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2016, 12:42:06 PM
Their D was stellar last year.  They've struggled a bit this year but look great today.  4 man rush getting pressure.   The recipe to beat the Pat's O.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Week V: The Empire Strikes Back
Post by: Dream Team on October 16, 2016, 12:50:22 PM
Classic trap game for Pitt this Sunday, on the road vs an inferior opponent with NE looming around the corner. On top of that I have to worry about how many ankles and knees Suh will be trying to take out.

Well, just like I said, except it wasn't Suh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2016, 12:57:37 PM
Looked like his knee.   I hope it isn't bad. I hate seeing that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2016, 01:36:49 PM
Jesus Gronk.  Yapping away costing a possible 4 points.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 01:37:31 PM
That's okay.  That was fun seeing him get inside Burfict's head.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2016, 01:38:24 PM
That's easy. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: splent on October 16, 2016, 04:06:49 PM
Packers once again looking stagnant offensively. I'm getting REALLY frustrated with McCarthy
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 04:10:42 PM
McCarthy's play calling is awful, and Rodgers is not the QB he once was.  It's a combination of the two.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: El Barto on October 16, 2016, 05:02:58 PM
St. Rogers certainly doesn't look like himself, but they're losing because Dallas is beating them badly.

And I wouldn't have expected DP's first interception to look that ugly.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 05:39:58 PM
Atlanta just got totally robbed.  Unbelievable how officials can miss a PI that blatant.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 16, 2016, 05:41:46 PM
Atlanta just got totally robbed.  Unbelievable how officials can miss a PI that blatant.

That was a terrible, game altering non-call. Quinn had every right to be irate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: El Barto on October 16, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
It was only blatant on the instant replay, with the good angle and slow motion. In realtime I thought it was good, clean coverage and a really ill-advised throw. Yeah, they got robbed, but it's one of those things that can and will happen.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 16, 2016, 05:55:40 PM
They use instant replay to get the calls right. Time to use it to get the penalties (or lack thereof) right too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Rattlehead on October 16, 2016, 06:04:29 PM
I'm starting to actually feel sorry for Carolina. I refuse to believe that they're even close to as bad as their record is right now...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: pogoowner on October 16, 2016, 06:17:10 PM
They use instant replay to get the calls right. Time to use it to get the penalties (or lack thereof) right too.
No way I want them spending time reviewing more things. Not the way they do it in the NFL. If they had a cleaner, faster process for it, maybe.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2016, 06:29:22 PM
You know, I think the replay, slow motion in HDTV has made it easy to second guess the refs.  There is more replays these days.  I also think these rules on top of rules have made it harder to refresh these games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 16, 2016, 07:03:37 PM
They use instant replay to get the calls right. Time to use it to get the penalties (or lack thereof) right too.
No way I want them spending time reviewing more things. Not the way they do it in the NFL. If they had a cleaner, faster process for it, maybe.

I would rather them take their time and get it right instead of rushing and getting things wrong. Never understood the argument against games taking too long.  There's only 16 games per team per year. What's the rush?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: pogoowner on October 16, 2016, 07:08:33 PM
They use instant replay to get the calls right. Time to use it to get the penalties (or lack thereof) right too.
No way I want them spending time reviewing more things. Not the way they do it in the NFL. If they had a cleaner, faster process for it, maybe.

I would rather them take their time and get it right instead of rushing and getting things wrong. Never understood the argument against games taking too long.  There's only 16 games per team per year. What's the rush?
NFL football games have the lowest ratio of actual game action to length of broadcast of probably any sport in existence. That's the number one thing people worldwide complain about when they say they don't like American football. It's a legitimate concern.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 07:37:49 PM
I'm starting to actually feel sorry for Carolina. I refuse to believe that they're even close to as bad as their record is right now...

Every time I see like Cam Newton acting like a pouty baby in post-game press conferences, any sadness I might feel for the Panthers goes right out the window. 

Like Bill Parcells once said, you are what your record is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 16, 2016, 08:54:15 PM
I'm starting to actually feel sorry for Carolina. I refuse to believe that they're even close to as bad as their record is right now...

Every time I see like Cam Newton acting like a pouty baby in post-game press conferences, any sadness I might feel for the Panthers goes right out the window. 

Like Bill Parcells once said, you are what your record is.

Yes, and an immature punk is what Newton is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 16, 2016, 08:55:58 PM
That's okay.  That was fun seeing him get inside Burfict's head.

Well, plenty of room for him in there.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 08:56:13 PM
Torn meniscus for Roethlisberger.  So much for looking forward to next week's Pitt/NE game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 16, 2016, 09:00:51 PM
NFL football games have the lowest ratio of actual game action to length of broadcast of probably any sport in existence. That's the number one thing people worldwide complain about when they say they don't like American football. It's a legitimate concern.

People from other countries shouldn't even be a factor in this conversation though because they represent a microscopic fraction of the NFL's fan base and American football will very likely never become popular to any meaningful extent outside of America anyway due to how rabid most of the world is for soccer coupled with how drastically football differs from it for all the wrong reasons ("wrong" by the opinions of soccer fans.)

I'm with you on the fact that the games would be better off if they were presented more concisely but it's something we literally only watch 16-20 days of the year depending on whether or not our teams make the playoffs plus any other prime time games that may catch our interest so it's not like an extra 20-30 minutes per game is really ruining anything if that's what it takes to get calls right. Again, I'm in favor of conciseness, but I'll take longer games if that's what has to happen to avoid more egregious calls given the currently sluggish review format.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: El Barto on October 16, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
That was the most personable referee I've ever seen. I like that guy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Stadler on October 17, 2016, 07:41:00 AM
I'm starting to actually feel sorry for Carolina. I refuse to believe that they're even close to as bad as their record is right now...

Every time I see like Cam Newton acting like a pouty baby in post-game press conferences, any sadness I might feel for the Panthers goes right out the window. 

Like Bill Parcells once said, you are what your record is.

I've been saying this for years now.   Athletes have been talking about "adversity" for decades now - and many have actually faced "adversity".    Cam has not, and when the situation starts to veer from what he thinks it should be in his head, he folds like a bed sheet in a nice hotel.  He's their leader, and he needs to recognize that the game and the team is bigger than him.   Frankly, I think this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, and it's been clear to me for a while that the petulance and childishness is not the anomaly.  Last season is the anomaly.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Stadler on October 17, 2016, 07:45:31 AM
NFL football games have the lowest ratio of actual game action to length of broadcast of probably any sport in existence. That's the number one thing people worldwide complain about when they say they don't like American football. It's a legitimate concern.

People from other countries shouldn't even be a factor in this conversation though because they represent a microscopic fraction of the NFL's fan base and American football will very likely never become popular to any meaningful extent outside of America anyway due to how rabid most of the world is for soccer coupled with how drastically football differs from it for all the wrong reasons ("wrong" by the opinions of soccer fans.)

I'm with you on the fact that the games would be better off if they were presented more concisely but it's something we literally only watch 16-20 days of the year depending on whether or not our teams make the playoffs plus any other prime time games that may catch our interest so it's not like an extra 20-30 minutes per game is really ruining anything if that's what it takes to get calls right. Again, I'm in favor of conciseness, but I'll take longer games if that's what has to happen to avoid more egregious calls given the currently sluggish review format.

It's also a different way of viewing.    You are so on with the "16 to 20, tops" comment, but i'll go a step further:  being on Sunday afternoon, probably half of those are a social event with friends and family.   So having the periodic breaks isn't a "bad thing", it's actually the beauty of the game.   On Thanksgiving, men, women and children all get to watch Gronk flex his guns, then go in the kitchen for another plate, then come back and see Brady looking all hot, then go in the other room for another beer, then come back and look at how cool Belichick is with his cutoff hoodie...    It's actually perfect, and that criticism will have ZERO traction with the NFL at this point. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: kaos2900 on October 17, 2016, 08:14:07 AM
Wait, the Colts lost that game? How the hell did that happen. That division is just terrible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2016, 08:27:06 AM
NFL football games have the lowest ratio of actual game action to length of broadcast of probably any sport in existence. That's the number one thing people worldwide complain about when they say they don't like American football. It's a legitimate concern.

People from other countries shouldn't even be a factor in this conversation though because they represent a microscopic fraction of the NFL's fan base and American football will very likely never become popular to any meaningful extent outside of America anyway due to how rabid most of the world is for soccer coupled with how drastically football differs from it for all the wrong reasons ("wrong" by the opinions of soccer fans.)

I'm with you on the fact that the games would be better off if they were presented more concisely but it's something we literally only watch 16-20 days of the year depending on whether or not our teams make the playoffs plus any other prime time games that may catch our interest so it's not like an extra 20-30 minutes per game is really ruining anything if that's what it takes to get calls right. Again, I'm in favor of conciseness, but I'll take longer games if that's what has to happen to avoid more egregious calls given the currently sluggish review format.

It's also a different way of viewing.    You are so on with the "16 to 20, tops" comment, but i'll go a step further:  being on Sunday afternoon, probably half of those are a social event with friends and family.   So having the periodic breaks isn't a "bad thing", it's actually the beauty of the game.   On Thanksgiving, men, women and children all get to watch Gronk flex his guns, then go in the kitchen for another plate, then come back and see Brady looking all hot, then go in the other room for another beer, then come back and look at how cool Belichick is with his cutoff hoodie...    It's actually perfect, and that criticism will have ZERO traction with the NFL at this point.

My biggest problem with the breaks are that the NFL changed the rules so that kick offs are mostly meaningless plays.  Yet we have commercial breaks before and after them.  So after a touchdown its like 10 minutes until the next meaningful play.  Do what college football does (which are even longer games) and remove that commercial break and I think the games would be much more enjoyable for everyone, but I doubt the NFL would consider giving up those $$$
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 17, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
NFL football games have the lowest ratio of actual game action to length of broadcast of probably any sport in existence. That's the number one thing people worldwide complain about when they say they don't like American football. It's a legitimate concern.

People from other countries shouldn't even be a factor in this conversation though because they represent a microscopic fraction of the NFL's fan base and American football will very likely never become popular to any meaningful extent outside of America anyway due to how rabid most of the world is for soccer coupled with how drastically football differs from it for all the wrong reasons ("wrong" by the opinions of soccer fans.)

I'm with you on the fact that the games would be better off if they were presented more concisely but it's something we literally only watch 16-20 days of the year depending on whether or not our teams make the playoffs plus any other prime time games that may catch our interest so it's not like an extra 20-30 minutes per game is really ruining anything if that's what it takes to get calls right. Again, I'm in favor of conciseness, but I'll take longer games if that's what has to happen to avoid more egregious calls given the currently sluggish review format.

It's also a different way of viewing.    You are so on with the "16 to 20, tops" comment, but i'll go a step further:  being on Sunday afternoon, probably half of those are a social event with friends and family.   So having the periodic breaks isn't a "bad thing", it's actually the beauty of the game.   On Thanksgiving, men, women and children all get to watch Gronk flex his guns, then go in the kitchen for another plate, then come back and see Brady looking all hot, then go in the other room for another beer, then come back and look at how cool Belichick is with his cutoff hoodie...    It's actually perfect, and that criticism will have ZERO traction with the NFL at this point.

My biggest problem with the breaks are that the NFL changed the rules so that kick offs are mostly meaningless plays.  Yet we have commercial breaks before and after them.  So after a touchdown its like 10 minutes until the next meaningful play.  Do what college football does (which are even longer games) and remove that commercial break and I think the games would be much more enjoyable for everyone, but I doubt the NFL would consider giving up those $$$

I agree that the touchdown commercial kickoff commercial drive routine is terrible.... but that's totally different than taking a minute or two to see if a play was correctly enforced penalty-wise.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: El Barto on October 17, 2016, 09:08:17 AM
The solution is to put the refs in the booth in charge of everything, but I'm not sure we'd like that any better. Three guys upstairs can look at every play, and rather than telling the referee on the field to take a look at something, they ring him up and say "move the ball 4 inches forward" and "there was a PI you missed on that play." At that point you'll double the amount of officiating taking place and it'll suck. As we know, there's something happening on every single play, and I'm not sure we actually want the game officiated that tightly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 17, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
The solution is to put the refs in the booth in charge of everything, but I'm not sure we'd like that any better. Three guys upstairs can look at every play, and rather than telling the referee on the field to take a look at something, they ring him up and say "move the ball 4 inches forward" and "there was a PI you missed on that play." At that point you'll double the amount of officiating taking place and it'll suck. As we know, there's something happening on every single play, and I'm not sure we actually want the game officiated that tightly.

That sounds great. and I'm fine with tight officiating. Eventually, the guys will adapt and follow the rules.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
Eh, there's already an insane amount of penalties a game.  One thing I noticed too when watching is now not only does every incomplete pass gets the receiver yelling for a flag, but the coaches too.  It's becoming trained to expect a flag when there is any contact during a pass.  The late flags after the complaining are terrible too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 17, 2016, 09:25:12 AM
Eh, there's already an insane amount of penalties a game.  One thing I noticed too when watching is now not only does every incomplete pass gets the receiver yelling for a flag, but the coaches too.  It's becoming trained to expect a flag when there is any contact during a pass.  The late flags after the complaining are terrible too.

I'm sure that the latter has caused teaching of the former.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2016, 10:02:16 AM
Carolina's offense finally started clicking yesterday (although that's probably a function of NO's defense), which was good.  Jonathan Stewart being back was huge.

But for the life of me, I can't figure out the suddenly porous defense.  I know there have been huge changes in the defensive backfield, but they are having serious problems in the front seven, which has always been the strength of the defense.  I have no idea what is going on.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: kaos2900 on October 17, 2016, 10:05:47 AM
Carolina's offense finally started clicking yesterday (although that's probably a function of NO's defense), which was good.  Jonathan Stewart being back was huge.

But for the life of me, I can't figure out the suddenly porous defense.  I know there have been huge changes in the defensive backfield, but they are having serious problems in the front seven, which has always been the strength of the defense.  I have no idea what is going on.

Two Words: Josh Norman
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: pogoowner on October 17, 2016, 10:07:16 AM
The solution is to put the refs in the booth in charge of everything, but I'm not sure we'd like that any better. Three guys upstairs can look at every play, and rather than telling the referee on the field to take a look at something, they ring him up and say "move the ball 4 inches forward" and "there was a PI you missed on that play." At that point you'll double the amount of officiating taking place and it'll suck. As we know, there's something happening on every single play, and I'm not sure we actually want the game officiated that tightly.
I've long said that if you're going to have a review process, it should be totally independent of the officials on the field. But you do sort of run into this "when does it end?" issue. I already get annoyed and walk away during most reviews. There's only so many times I can deal with the "what is a catch" scenario.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Carolina's offense finally started clicking yesterday (although that's probably a function of NO's defense), which was good.  Jonathan Stewart being back was huge.

But for the life of me, I can't figure out the suddenly porous defense.  I know there have been huge changes in the defensive backfield, but they are having serious problems in the front seven, which has always been the strength of the defense.  I have no idea what is going on.

Two Words: Josh Norman
...who does not play on the front seven, which is the unexpected problem my post was about.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: axeman90210 on October 17, 2016, 10:14:24 AM
I'm just hoping the Jets don't get embarassed on national TV tonight :lol


regarding replay, I think it's definitely a fine line between not letting incorrect calls have a potentially huge impact on the game (like that awful non-call on the PI at the end of the SEA/ATL game) and not having what momentum rhythm the game does have get totally derailed. I'd prefer to keep the mechanism for challenges (coaches 2-3 a game, all turnover/sscoring plays and plays inside of 2 minutes originating from the booth), but open up the restrictions on what can and can't be subject to review.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: kaos2900 on October 17, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
Carolina's offense finally started clicking yesterday (although that's probably a function of NO's defense), which was good.  Jonathan Stewart being back was huge.

But for the life of me, I can't figure out the suddenly porous defense.  I know there have been huge changes in the defensive backfield, but they are having serious problems in the front seven, which has always been the strength of the defense.  I have no idea what is going on.

Two Words: Josh Norman
...who does not play on the front seven, which is the unexpected problem my post was about.

My bad, that's what I get for skimming.  :D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2016, 10:57:55 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 17, 2016, 11:14:22 AM
Tomlin now 5-17 against sub-.500 teams on the road. It was never like that under Noll and Cowher.

Re: torn meniscus. Ben has gone from being Gumby to being made of glass. Too many hits I guess, plus age. As a Pitt fan I should just face reality and be satisfied with the 2 Lombardis they got during his career. It will be a LONG time before the next one.

Why is Burfict still allowed to play? Another blatant attempt to injure yesterday. He and Jeff Fisher would be a great combo.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: contest_sanity on October 17, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
re: replays -- what if they made ALL non-line of scrimmage penalties/missed penalties challenge-able only during the last two minutes... and maybe add in a severe consequence if the challenge was unsuccessful. Don't know, just a salty Falcons fan here...

Here's hoping we see Seattle again in the playoffs!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: kaos2900 on October 17, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
re: replays -- what if they made ALL non-line of scrimmage penalties/missed penalties challenge-able only during the last two minutes... and maybe add in a severe consequence if the challenge was unsuccessful. Don't know, just a salty Falcons fan here...

Here's hoping we see Seattle again in the playoffs!

If I was a Falcons fan I would not want to see Seattle in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 17, 2016, 03:16:36 PM
That was the most personable referee I've ever seen. I like that guy.

Screw personable. I want hardasses calling the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eslz06J9hFw&feature=youtu.be&t=15s
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 17, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
That was the most personable referee I've ever seen. I like that guy.

Screw personable. I want hardasses calling the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eslz06J9hFw&feature=youtu.be&t=15s

https://youtu.be/eb_OL71x2Rg
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2016, 03:30:28 PM
Whoever was reffing the Giants game yesterday seemed to really enjoy giving calls against the Giants.  His voice seemed like he was loving getting the crowd worked up  :lol which was actually really entertaining.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 17, 2016, 05:29:19 PM
I'm starting to actually feel sorry for Carolina. I refuse to believe that they're even close to as bad as their record is right now...

Every time I see like Cam Newton acting like a pouty baby in post-game press conferences, any sadness I might feel for the Panthers goes right out the window. 

Like Bill Parcells once said, you are what your record is.

I've been saying this for years now.   Athletes have been talking about "adversity" for decades now - and many have actually faced "adversity".    Cam has not, and when the situation starts to veer from what he thinks it should be in his head, he folds like a bed sheet in a nice hotel.  He's their leader, and he needs to recognize that the game and the team is bigger than him.   Frankly, I think this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, and it's been clear to me for a while that the petulance and childishness is not the anomaly.  Last season is the anomaly.

He is apparently the first NFL player ever who doesn't like to lose.

Wait, the Colts lost that game? How the hell did that happen. That division is just terrible.

I couldn't believe that when I woke up this morning.  Osweiler and the Texans both looked dead in the water last night early in the 4th, and that is not a game I expected to see a comeback.

Tomlin now 5-17 against sub-.500 teams on the road. It was never like that under Noll and Cowher.

Re: torn meniscus. Ben has gone from being Gumby to being made of glass. Too many hits I guess, plus age. As a Pitt fan I should just face reality and be satisfied with the 2 Lombardis they got during his career. It will be a LONG time before the next one.

Him being so injury-prone is partially why I have argued that Roethlisberger is not elite.  Part of being truly great is being lucky enough to stay healthy all or most of the time.



Why is Burfict still allowed to play? Another blatant attempt to injure yesterday. He and Jeff Fisher would be a great combo.

For sure.

That crap the Rams pulled at the end of their game yesterday was classic Fisher/Williams.

And yeah, Burfict ought to just be kicked out of the league.  He is a POS.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 17, 2016, 09:15:45 PM
Oh I missed the Blount leg stomp by Burfict. Goodall is such a hypocrite for letting him stay in the league. Player safety!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: kaos2900 on October 18, 2016, 06:58:08 AM
Oh I missed the Blount leg stomp by Burfict. Goodall is such a hypocrite for letting him stay in the league. Player safety!

But he'd be gone if he stepped on and deflated Blount's balls.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Skeever on October 18, 2016, 08:16:33 AM
I'm just hoping the Jets don't get embarassed on national TV tonight :lol

lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: kaos2900 on October 18, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
How bad must Geno Smith be if they aren't yanking Fitzpatrick?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Skeever on October 18, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
They did yank him.

He fumbled and threw an INT in his one drive.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 18, 2016, 09:11:06 AM
At 1-5 in a conference with the Patriots, Broncos, Chiefs, and Steelers, the Jets season is pretty much over. They would most likely have to go 9-1 or even 10-0 for the rest of the season to make the playoffs. This is with two games against the Patriots and a game against the Ravens left to play. 6-10 is my generous prediction.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: axeman90210 on October 18, 2016, 09:21:21 AM
I'm just hoping the Jets don't get embarassed on national TV tonight :lol

lol

Yeah. To add insult to injury, they did it with Larry Fitzgerald not getting too much production, simultaneously costing me wins in two FF leagues.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Skeever on October 18, 2016, 11:35:16 AM
I'm just hoping the Jets don't get embarassed on national TV tonight :lol

lol

Yeah. To add insult to injury, they did it with Larry Fitzgerald not getting too much production, simultaneously costing me wins in two FF leagues.

My fantasy opponent had a 50 point lead going into last night.

I played Palmer and Johnson, hoping that at least if those guys shred up my Jets, I would win the fantasy match. 

Well, turns out, Johnson shredded up my jets, I came within 10 points and still lost.

Same ol' Jets. At least there's my Madden franchise :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 18, 2016, 11:52:06 AM


That crap the Rams pulled at the end of their game yesterday was classic Fisher/Williams.



I don't think that's a fair assessment. I think that was sheer player frustration.  Fisher discusses it here...

https://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/rams-week-6-kneel-down-blitz-vs-lions-jeff-fisher/1w0h0c8qw2rqt11uzy6itxfk9g
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: El Barto on October 18, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
Then Fisher needs to discipline if damn players. What is he, Marvin Lewis?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: pogoowner on October 18, 2016, 03:17:46 PM
That's some 7-9 bullshit if I've ever seen it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2016, 04:04:55 PM
Fisher always bugged me like the Colts management always crying every year to change rules to benefit them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2016, 05:29:27 PM


That crap the Rams pulled at the end of their game yesterday was classic Fisher/Williams.



I don't think that's a fair assessment. I think that was sheer player frustration.  Fisher discusses it here...

https://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/rams-week-6-kneel-down-blitz-vs-lions-jeff-fisher/1w0h0c8qw2rqt11uzy6itxfk9g

Fisher can say what he wants, but his teams have always played on the edge when it comes to crossing the line being tough and dirty, plus he hired Gregg Williams, the DC responsible for Bountygate.  That speaks for itself.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2016, 06:08:41 PM
Post-Week 6 Power Rankings
1. Minnesota - big game this week, at Philly, to see how they play coming out of the bye after being stroked by everyone
2. New England - took the best shot from a desperate Bengals team and then wiped them out
3. Atlanta - should be 5-1, if not for an awful non-call, and have proven they are for real this year
4. Dallas - Very legit, and winning like that at GB was huge
5. Denver - ugly loss without their head coach, but get him back this week
6. Seattle - got a gift, which could end up deciding home field
7. Buffalo - not sure it will last, but they deserve mad props for getting to 4-2 after many thought they fall to 0-4 after that 0-2 start
8. Kansas City - Andy Reid after a bye is always a lock
9. Pittsburgh - showing to be a paper "champion" once again
10. Washington - four in a row, like the Bills, is impressive, but can it continue?
 

Trending Up:

Arizona - Carson Palmer still looks iffy, but David Johnson is awesome, and that D looks ferocious again
Detroit - Matt Stafford's evolution into an above average NFL QB is being totally overlooked
Tennessee - this team is at 3-3 all of a sudden

Trending Down:

Carolina - awful D and terrible leadership
NY Jets - they are done
Philadelphia - two straight losses after a 3-0 start with a rookie QB

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan
2. LeSean McCoy
3. David Johnson
4. Sam Bradford
5. Ben Roethlisberger
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Architeuthis on October 19, 2016, 12:52:09 AM
Seattle made some great plays. Remember there were some non calls in Atlanta's favor earlier in the game. Pass interference on Kearse and Lockett that Atlanta got away with, it evened out. Both teams played well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 19, 2016, 09:36:06 AM
Jets have named Geno Smith the starter now.  I'm going to guess the Jets are looking for a new coach and QB next season. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 19, 2016, 10:35:44 AM
Jets have named Geno Smith the starter now.  I'm going to guess the Jets are looking for a new coach and QB next season.

I don't think they'll be looking for a new coach. He's only in his second year, they went 10-6 last year, his top corner isn't 100%, arguably his top receiver is on IR which leads to his other top receiver getting more coverage, and his starting QB has thrown games away from trying to do too much to compensate for the absence of Decker. Also, their first six game stretch of the season was hell. Only one of the teams missed the playoffs last year (the Bills, who they beat) and this is exactly where a lot of experts thought they would be at this point in the season. I think Woody decides to keep Bowles for at least another year. They definitely will be getting a new QB. I personally think that if Geno still stinks and the season really is lost, they should see what they have in Petty and Hackenberg. Look at what Trevor Siemian and Dak Prescott have done this year as later round draft picks. If either Petty or Hackenberg turn out anything like that, the Jets may have their answer at QB already in house. This was supposed to be a season where the Jets were a contender, but I don't think changing coaches yet again is the solution. Look at the Browns. Their constant carousel of coaches has led to the stunted growth of players due to a lack of continuity and a lot of coaches don't want to go there because they don't want to worry about losing their jobs after the slightest failure. Todd Bowles has shown what he can do when his entire team is at their best, and he deserves the chance to do it again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on October 19, 2016, 11:07:48 AM


Fisher can say what he wants, but his teams have always played on the edge when it comes to crossing the line being tough and dirty, plus he hired Gregg Williams, the DC responsible for Bountygate.  That speaks for itself.

Fisher teams have always played tough and "Through" the whistle.  He surely isn't the only coach to instill that philosophy.  Dirty?  I don't think so.  Even though I might be a little biased I don't see them as "Dirty" and I watch every game they play. I grew up watching "Dirty" with teams in the 70's and even 80's.  With the Rams, I see tough play, but that's about it.  What happened at the end of the Lions game seemed to me like frustration by the D-line over a tough fought battle in the trenches all day.  Personaly, I'm not a huge Fisher fan.  Never have been.  As far as Williams, well, I would venture a guess that he isn't the only Defensive Coordinater/Coach to have had that "Bountygate" mentality.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 19, 2016, 11:34:20 AM
Jets have named Geno Smith the starter now.  I'm going to guess the Jets are looking for a new coach and QB next season.

I don't think they'll be looking for a new coach. He's only in his second year, they went 10-6 last year, his top corner isn't 100%, arguably his top receiver is on IR which leads to his other top receiver getting more coverage, and his starting QB has thrown games away from trying to do too much to compensate for the absence of Decker. Also, their first six game stretch of the season was hell. Only one of the teams missed the playoffs last year (the Bills, who they beat) and this is exactly where a lot of experts thought they would be at this point in the season. I think Woody decides to keep Bowles for at least another year. They definitely will be getting a new QB. I personally think that if Geno still stinks and the season really is lost, they should see what they have in Petty and Hackenberg. Look at what Trevor Siemian and Dak Prescott have done this year as later round draft picks. If either Petty or Hackenberg turn out anything like that, the Jets may have their answer at QB already in house. This was supposed to be a season where the Jets were a contender, but I don't think changing coaches yet again is the solution. Look at the Browns. Their constant carousel of coaches has led to the stunted growth of players due to a lack of continuity and a lot of coaches don't want to go there because they don't want to worry about losing their jobs after the slightest failure. Todd Bowles has shown what he can do when his entire team is at their best, and he deserves the chance to do it again.

I wouldn't personally think so either about the coach given it's his second year, but after listening to some sports radio yesterday, man the media really seems against him and they have a lot of good points as to why.  Specifically the defense being terrible.  I don't know enough about Petty, but as a PSU alum, I know Hackenberg is not the answer.  I'm going to say that the Jets QB next year is not on the roster for sure and the coach is on a very hot seat even if he stays next year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 19, 2016, 12:19:20 PM
I always wonder why teams have guys like this on the roster if they're not going to develop them.

Also just heard Burfict got a fine and no suspension.  ::)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 19, 2016, 12:26:16 PM
Jets have named Geno Smith the starter now.  I'm going to guess the Jets are looking for a new coach and QB next season.

I don't think they'll be looking for a new coach. He's only in his second year, they went 10-6 last year, his top corner isn't 100%, arguably his top receiver is on IR which leads to his other top receiver getting more coverage, and his starting QB has thrown games away from trying to do too much to compensate for the absence of Decker. Also, their first six game stretch of the season was hell. Only one of the teams missed the playoffs last year (the Bills, who they beat) and this is exactly where a lot of experts thought they would be at this point in the season. I think Woody decides to keep Bowles for at least another year. They definitely will be getting a new QB. I personally think that if Geno still stinks and the season really is lost, they should see what they have in Petty and Hackenberg. Look at what Trevor Siemian and Dak Prescott have done this year as later round draft picks. If either Petty or Hackenberg turn out anything like that, the Jets may have their answer at QB already in house. This was supposed to be a season where the Jets were a contender, but I don't think changing coaches yet again is the solution. Look at the Browns. Their constant carousel of coaches has led to the stunted growth of players due to a lack of continuity and a lot of coaches don't want to go there because they don't want to worry about losing their jobs after the slightest failure. Todd Bowles has shown what he can do when his entire team is at their best, and he deserves the chance to do it again.

In what would has Decker proven to be as good as Marshall let better? On a team where stopping Marshall is the primary objective of any gameplan against them?


Marvin Lewis said that Burfict didn't do anything wrong. I'd say that it's time for Lewis to go, but the Bengals deserve him. Questionable leadership and managerial skills from the owner on down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 19, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
Somebody - Goodell, a collective agreement from every team's player personnel department, or another player on the field - needs to end Vontez Buttfuct's career.  I'd prefer the first two, but if some player dove at the inside of his knee from behind and gave him a catastrophic injury, it is the one time I would cheer for a player injury.

An issue to unite Steelers, Ravens, and Patriots fans.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 19, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
Jets have named Geno Smith the starter now.  I'm going to guess the Jets are looking for a new coach and QB next season.

They need a whole new team from top to bottom.

Somebody - Goodell, a collective agreement from every team's player personnel department, or another player on the field - needs to end Vontez Buttfuct's career.  I'd prefer the first two, but if some player dove at the inside of his knee from behind and gave him a catastrophic injury, it is the one time I would cheer for a player injury.

An issue to unite Steelers, Ravens, and Patriots fans.

Don't forget the Saints.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 19, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
Jets have named Geno Smith the starter now.  I'm going to guess the Jets are looking for a new coach and QB next season.

I don't think they'll be looking for a new coach. He's only in his second year, they went 10-6 last year, his top corner isn't 100%, arguably his top receiver is on IR which leads to his other top receiver getting more coverage, and his starting QB has thrown games away from trying to do too much to compensate for the absence of Decker. Also, their first six game stretch of the season was hell. Only one of the teams missed the playoffs last year (the Bills, who they beat) and this is exactly where a lot of experts thought they would be at this point in the season. I think Woody decides to keep Bowles for at least another year. They definitely will be getting a new QB. I personally think that if Geno still stinks and the season really is lost, they should see what they have in Petty and Hackenberg. Look at what Trevor Siemian and Dak Prescott have done this year as later round draft picks. If either Petty or Hackenberg turn out anything like that, the Jets may have their answer at QB already in house. This was supposed to be a season where the Jets were a contender, but I don't think changing coaches yet again is the solution. Look at the Browns. Their constant carousel of coaches has led to the stunted growth of players due to a lack of continuity and a lot of coaches don't want to go there because they don't want to worry about losing their jobs after the slightest failure. Todd Bowles has shown what he can do when his entire team is at their best, and he deserves the chance to do it again.

In what would has Decker proven to be as good as Marshall let better? On a team where stopping Marshall is the primary objective of any gameplan against them?

Marvin Lewis said that Burfict didn't do anything wrong. I'd say that it's time for Lewis to go, but the Bengals deserve him. Questionable leadership and managerial skills from the owner on down.

Marshall is definitely the more talented receiver but Decker is Fitzpatrick's go to guy when the Jets absolutely need a first down conversion or a touchdown. He is used in a more versatile way than Marshall which usually leads to him getting more targets. With him now out for the season, the Jets lost their most trusted receiver. It's a tremendous loss and one that they clearly can't overcome.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 19, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
I always wonder why teams have guys like this on the roster if they're not going to develop them.

Also just heard Burfict got a fine and no suspension.  ::)

And yet with no proof that the NFL said under oath in court, Brady got 4 games.  I saw that asshole stomp on Blunt's leg. What a joke.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 19, 2016, 04:56:26 PM
So maybe if the Steelers can run the ball well and play ok on special teams they can keep it within 2or 3 scores lol. One thing at least, with two supposedly model organizations with stability and success there should be hopefully little or no extra-curricular activity.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 19, 2016, 05:23:36 PM
Go 2 and 2 and the Steelers should be ok.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 19, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
Wow, so it turns out my prediction was right after all. On the Patriots message board someone posted a gif of Suh kicking Ben in the knee  :facepalm:.



Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 19, 2016, 07:53:34 PM
So what does that even mean?  Asshole fans post dumb stuff? Every team has those.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 19, 2016, 07:57:22 PM


Fisher can say what he wants, but his teams have always played on the edge when it comes to crossing the line being tough and dirty, plus he hired Gregg Williams, the DC responsible for Bountygate.  That speaks for itself.

Fisher teams have always played tough and "Through" the whistle.  He surely isn't the only coach to instill that philosophy.  Dirty?  I don't think so.  Even though I might be a little biased I don't see them as "Dirty" and I watch every game they play. I grew up watching "Dirty" with teams in the 70's and even 80's.  With the Rams, I see tough play, but that's about it.  What happened at the end of the Lions game seemed to me like frustration by the D-line over a tough fought battle in the trenches all day.  Personaly, I'm not a huge Fisher fan.  Never have been.  As far as Williams, well, I would venture a guess that he isn't the only Defensive Coordinater/Coach to have had that "Bountygate" mentality.

Having the mentality is one thing; coaching your players to play that way is another. 

And this isn't the 70s or 80s anymore; you have to adjust to the rules of the era, and their defense goes over the line way too often.

Marvin Lewis said that Burfict didn't do anything wrong. I'd say that it's time for Lewis to go, but the Bengals deserve him. Questionable leadership and managerial skills from the owner on down.

Lewis has to stick up for his player, but he clearly has no idea how or any interest in stopping Burfict's on field thuggish behavior.

And neither does the NFL.  What a joke this is.  He tries to take a player's knees out and gets a slap on the wrist.  How awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 20, 2016, 06:37:04 AM
So what does that even mean?  Asshole fans post dumb stuff? Every team has those.

Whoa, calm down. I was referring to my prediction of Suh aiming at a knee, I don't have a problem with the Patriots board.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 20, 2016, 06:39:39 AM
Go 2 and 2 and the Steelers should be ok.

With Jones as QB, I would be amazed if the Steelers went .500 without Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2016, 03:54:37 PM
Pittsburgh has no shot against NE without him, they always have a tough team agains the Ravens WITH Ben, and Dallas will be very tough to beat, so they could conceivably lose the next three.  Fortunately for them, their division isn't as good this year, so they could get him back and win the division with a 10-6 or even 9-7 record maybe.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 20, 2016, 05:04:06 PM
Late to the party I know, but count me in on NFL games being too damn long. It might just be the commercials though. I am an automatic channel-changer when it comes to commercials, and eventually I get tired of either pressing buttons, or watching Peyton make cupcakes.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
I can't believe how bad Aaron Rodgers is now.  This is like a Tiger Woods-esque plummet; very sudden and very fast and no one saw it coming.
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Post by: El Barto on October 20, 2016, 08:15:35 PM
This game is even more dreadful than I was expecting.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2016, 08:17:04 PM
Fortunately, there is a Blues game and a baseball game on right now, as well, but every time I turn to football, it just looks awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2016, 08:26:24 PM
Officials just gave GB 4 points.  No way was that a catch.  Just awful.
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Post by: Dublagent66 on October 20, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
I missed that.  Been switching to other channels.  How do you figure 4 points Kev?
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Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
That bad call gave them a 1st down inside the 10 instead of it being 4th down, so instead of kicking a FG, they got a bogus 1st down and then scored a touchdown.  The way this has gone, it probably wouldn't have mattered, but it's sad to see blown calls of that nature, especially when it was looked at on replay.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 20, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
Ah, I see.  Par for the course.  So far, another season of bad officiating.  Well, we can't have GB losing at home back to back.   :lol

Seriously though, as bad as GB has been playing, I still expected them to win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: pogoowner on October 20, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
These Green Bay whites have to be one of the best color rush uniforms.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 20, 2016, 09:38:51 PM
In other news, Jay Feely is a TNF kicking expert.  :lol Commenting on that blocked FG.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2016, 09:43:28 PM
I think tonight's game said way more about the Bears than it did the Packers.  The Bears are one of the three worst teams in the leagues; the Packers are barely a fringe playoff team.
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Post by: kaos2900 on October 21, 2016, 07:21:01 AM
In other news, Jay Feely is a TNF kicking expert.  :lol Commenting on that blocked FG.

I noticed that a couple of weeks ago. Seems like a waste of money to have a kicking expert.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 21, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
The NFL is a jobs program.  I think it's hilarious that they have an analyst for everything except jock straps. :rollin
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Post by: El Barto on October 21, 2016, 06:55:19 PM
I've actually found Feely halfway insightful. Kicking is one area where none of the commentators have any knowledge whatsoever. Gruden's probably the most knowledgeable of the lot, but what can he tell you about kicking after a bobbled snap or dodging some crazed 4th string lineman?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Accelerando on October 21, 2016, 07:03:48 PM
I've actually found Feely halfway insightful. Kicking is one area where none of the commentators have any knowledge whatsoever. Gruden's probably the most knowledgeable of the lot, but what can he tell you about kicking after a bobbled snap or dodging some crazed 4th string lineman?

Plenty. He had Martin Gramatica as his kicker
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 22, 2016, 06:33:14 AM
Shannon Sharpe was on Colin Cowherd's The Herd recently and told a great story about the 2000 AFCCG when he was on the Ravens.  He said he went to Marvin Lewis (Ravens DC at the time) and asked him how many points they needed to win the game.  Lewis told him, "7."  Sharpe was like, "What? We're playing the Raiders, who have the number 1 offense in the league!" And Lewis reiterated, "Give me one touchdown and we'll win."  And sure enough, when Sharpe scored the first touchdown of the game early in the game to make it 7-0, the defense was like, "We are going to the Super Bowl!" And sure enough they went on to win the game 16-3, before clobbering the Giants in the Super Bowl.

People can talk about the '85 Bears all they want, or even the '13 Seahawks, but the 2000 Ravens defense is the best I've ever seen.  To hell with scoring, I remember watching teams struggle to even get 1st downs against them in the playoffs.  And they pitched the only shutout in Super Bowl history (and I am sure it still irks them that the Giants scored a touchdown on a kickoff return to make the game not technically a shutout).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: PowerSlave on October 22, 2016, 01:59:01 PM
Shannon Sharpe was on Colin Cowherd's The Herd recently and told a great story about the 2000 AFCCG when he was on the Ravens.  He said he went to Marvin Lewis (Ravens DC at the time) and asked him how many points they needed to win the game.  Lewis told him, "7."  Sharpe was like, "What? We're playing the Raiders, who have the number 1 offense in the league!" And Lewis reiterated, "Give me one touchdown and we'll win."  And sure enough, when Sharpe scored the first touchdown of the game early in the game to make it 7-0, the defense was like, "We are going to the Super Bowl!" And sure enough they went on to win the game 16-3, before clobbering the Giants in the Super Bowl.

People can talk about the '85 Bears all they want, or even the '13 Seahawks, but the 2000 Ravens defense is the best I've ever seen.  To hell with scoring, I remember watching teams struggle to even get 1st downs against them in the playoffs.  And they pitched the only shutout in Super Bowl history (and I am sure it still irks them that the Giants scored a touchdown on a kickoff return to make the game not technically a shutout).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season

They started off a little rough, but from the 6th game onward they allowed a total of 28 points in 9 games. Yes, the game was much different back then, but this would be impressive in any era.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 22, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
Well, first off, I was talking about defenses I have seen ;), and I never saw any defense prior to the mid 80s.

Second, that Steelers team didn't even win the Super Bowl.  In fact, they didn't even make it to the Super Bowl, so that disqualifies them from this conversation, since greatest single season defense talk always involves defenses that won the Super Bowl.

From a collective standpoint, that Steelers D, which was largely responsible for 4 titles in 6 years, is one of the best ever, but none of their single seasons would be in the conversation, especially since none of their postseasons were as dominant as the '85 Bears, '00 Ravens, '02 Bucs, '13 Seahawks or '15 Broncos.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 22, 2016, 05:15:37 PM
Shannon Sharpe was on Colin Cowherd's The Herd recently and told a great story about the 2000 AFCCG when he was on the Ravens.  He said he went to Marvin Lewis (Ravens DC at the time) and asked him how many points they needed to win the game.  Lewis told him, "7."  Sharpe was like, "What? We're playing the Raiders, who have the number 1 offense in the league!" And Lewis reiterated, "Give me one touchdown and we'll win."  And sure enough, when Sharpe scored the first touchdown of the game early in the game to make it 7-0, the defense was like, "We are going to the Super Bowl!" And sure enough they went on to win the game 16-3, before clobbering the Giants in the Super Bowl.

People can talk about the '85 Bears all they want, or even the '13 Seahawks, but the 2000 Ravens defense is the best I've ever seen.  To hell with scoring, I remember watching teams struggle to even get 1st downs against them in the playoffs.  And they pitched the only shutout in Super Bowl history (and I am sure it still irks them that the Giants scored a touchdown on a kickoff return to make the game not technically a shutout).

Amen.  I try not to be a homer... but that defense was special, and that run was amazing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: PowerSlave on October 22, 2016, 06:45:54 PM
Well, first off, I was talking about defenses I have seen ;), and I never saw any defense prior to the mid 80s.

I had assumed that you were my age. I was very young, but I do remember the steelers of the very late 70's and early 80's.

Second, that Steelers team didn't even win the Super Bowl.  In fact, they didn't even make it to the Super Bowl, so that disqualifies them from this conversation, since greatest single season defense talk always involves defenses that won the Super Bowl.

Usually it's true that people only talk about Super Bowl teams, however nowhere has anyone(and certainly not in your post that I was responding to) made a "rule" that only those teams should be mentioned or considered. It's a shame if that's the case.

In the nine game streak that I had mentioned before, they had 5 shutouts, 2 games where they only allowed 1 field goal, 1 game where they only allowed 2 field goals and only allowed 2 touchdowns over the 9 game run. If that doesn't garner mention as one of the greatest of all times, then I don't know what would.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2016, 07:03:37 PM
As much as I am annoyed that the Giants are playing at 9:30am my time tomorrow, it must suck even more for the Rams fans at 6:30am.  I HATE these games  >:(
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2016, 07:10:30 PM
As much as I am annoyed that the Giants are playing at 9:30am my time tomorrow, it must suck even more for the Rams fans at 6:30am.  I HATE these games  >:(

Why would you hate a 9:30 start? Roll out of bed and ..BAM..Football!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2016, 07:13:10 PM
As much as I am annoyed that the Giants are playing at 9:30am my time tomorrow, it must suck even more for the Rams fans at 6:30am.  I HATE these games  >:(

Why would you hate a 9:30 start? Roll out of bed and ..BAM..Football!!

Too early to get worked up for my team and have a beer I guess (I know that's not a real excuse  :lol).  I actually set the DVR and will just not turn on the internet when I wake up until I've watched the game. (I'd normally be up, but I'll be at work till 6am tonight).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2016, 07:17:00 PM
I'd start drinking as soon as you get home and crash after the game.  ;D

The DVR is no fun.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2016, 07:18:19 PM
930am is a half out late when I was tailgating.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
930am is a half out late when I was tailgating.  :lol

 :lol

And you're at least, what, twice Cram's age!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2016, 07:22:49 PM
930am is a half out late when I was tailgating.  :lol

 :lol

And you're at least, what, twice Cram's age!

Hey, it's different if you are tailgating and going to the game, that's a scenario when I would be up and boozing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
I've actually tailgated at the Meadowlands a number of times. Not for football. Just concerts.
Monsters Of Rock VH/Scorps/Dokken/Metallica  '88
Metallica '89
Iron Maiden '91
Operation RnR (Judas Priest/Alice Cooper/Motorhead  '91
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2016, 07:32:24 PM
Pretend you're in London and it's 330pm! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 22, 2016, 08:13:36 PM
   I try not to be a homer... but that defense was special, and that run was amazing.

Be a homer all you want on this one; that defense was beyond amazing.

Usually it's true that people only talk about Super Bowl teams, however nowhere has anyone(and certainly not in your post that I was responding to) made a "rule" that only those teams should be mentioned or considered. It's a shame if that's the case.

In the nine game streak that I had mentioned before, they had 5 shutouts, 2 games where they only allowed 1 field goal, 1 game where they only allowed 2 field goals and only allowed 2 touchdowns over the 9 game run. If that doesn't garner mention as one of the greatest of all times, then I don't know what would.

That 9-game streak was certainly unreal, but you have to look at the season as a whole, and they allowed 110 points in their first five games (not GOAT-worthy) and then 38 points in the two playoff games.  They'd be in the conversation, sure, but at the top?  Nope.

As for having to win the Super Bowl, call it unfair, but it's the way it is.  Neither the '07 Patriots nor the '13 Broncos can claim being the best single season offense because both gagged it up in the Super Bowl.  Now, had either scored a ton of points in a losing effort, then the argument would be a lot stronger, just like had the '76 Steelers gotten eliminated in a 9-6 game in the playoffs, but it didn't happen that way. 

Consider this: in the Super Bowls for the four defenses I mentioned, their net points (points allowed - points the defense actually scored) are:

Ravens +7 (scored 7, allowed 0)
Bucs 0 (scored 21, allowed 21, although really it should be -3 since the Raiders went for 2 after all three touchdowns and failed)
Seahawks -1 (scored 7, allowed 8)
Broncos -3 (scored 7, allowed 10)

Heck, for that entire playoff run, the Ravens D was -2 net points (scored 14 points on defense, allowed 16).  That is unreal.

And the Broncos were thisclose to being +4, had T.J. Ward scored on that fumble return near the end instead of falling down.

Also, the '85 Bears were -1 in the Super Bowl (scored 9, allowed 10).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2016, 08:51:53 AM
There has been a lot of chatter about why the NFL's ratings are down, and I honestly think the biggest reason is simple: the product is not that good anymore.  Look at the prime time games we have this year:

Carolina at Denver: good game
New England at Arizona: good game
Pittsburgh at Washington: mediocre game
Los Angeles at San Francisco: awful game
NY Jets at Buffalo: decent game
Green Bay at Minnesota: good game
Philadelphia at Chicago: awful game
Houston at New England: awful game
Chicago at Dallas: awful game
Atlanta at New Orleans: decent game
Miami at Cincinnati: awful game
Kansas City at Pittsburgh: awful game
NY Giants at Minnesota: okay game
Arizona at San Francisco: dreadful game
NY Giants at Green Bay: okay game
Tampa Bay at Carolina: awful game
Denver at San Diego: awful game
Indianapolis at Houston: awful game
NY Jets at Arizona: awful game
Chicago at Green Bay: awful game

Not a single game there that makes you say to anybody, "Hey, did you see that game last night?!"  Just loaded with awfulness.  Even some of the close games there were awful to watch.

Plus, I think the change in how the game is played now is a big reason why.  Exciting plays are what make games fun, and it seems like we rarely get those anymore.  The Beckham winning TD last week was a rare play nowadays that wowed you, and then all anybody talked about after it was him taking his helmet off, so even when we get exciting plays/moments, the stupid ass media ruins them by talking about other stuff.  If I see one more team throw a 3-yard pass on 3rd and 7, I am going to scream.  It used to be, I couldn't wait to watch football, but I am reaching the point where I will not go out of my way anymore to watch.  I am tired of watching bad football.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: axeman90210 on October 23, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Alright guys, Shady with a 30 snap pitch count, or TJ Yeldon?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
Touch call.  I am not starting McCoy today.  My team is stacked, so I have the depth to not start him (going with J White and J Rodgers at RB, and have Brady, Gronk, Mike Evans, both Denver WRs), but it's gonna hurt if he goes off. Fortunately, my team is 1st in standings and points. Not saying I can afford a bad week, but if this were a must-win week, I'd be rolling the dice with him.  Brady and Gronk will make up for it today. :coolio
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: cramx3 on October 23, 2016, 10:51:22 AM
Thanks Keenum for giving the Giants the game!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2016, 11:02:59 AM
Can't blame him for the pick-6; that was a perfect throw that Austin let bounce off his hands.  The real question is, why is a team with Case Keenum at QB throwing over 50 times a game?  Oh yeah, Jeff Fisher. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 23, 2016, 01:11:54 PM
Kessler is injured, Hogan is the Browns 6th string QB.  Who is their 7th?  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 23, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
Woo! The Jets are back in the win column. The season is still probably over but it's nice to get a win against a team who they had only beaten once before until today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
Woo! The Jets are back in the win column. The season is still probably over but it's nice to get a win against a team who they had only beaten once before until today.

And us Patriots fans thank you.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2016, 02:28:11 PM
Woo! The Jets are back in the win column. The season is still probably over but it's nice to get a win against a team who they had only beaten once before until today.

And us Patriots fans thank you.

We also thank the Dolphins.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Yup.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: RoeDent on October 23, 2016, 03:23:14 PM
Kudos to Dolphins running back Jay Ajayi. 4th player ever to rush for over 200 yards in back-to-back games. And he was born on this side of the Pond too!  :tup

I didn't realise until after the fact as well that today's Giants-Rams game at Twickenham was the first non-rugby sporting event held there ever. A good day for the sport here in the UK.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 23, 2016, 04:17:03 PM
No matter what happens today I think I like our chances in a playoff rematch if Ben's healthy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2016, 04:19:03 PM
Steelers D playing great right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2016, 04:22:59 PM
Steelers D playing great right now.

Yes, and Landry Jonesoppolo is having a great game too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 23, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Been waiting for that all game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2016, 04:34:07 PM
Yeah, it surprises me every time when a team does not defense against that seem pass
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 23, 2016, 05:29:00 PM
Would have been a heck of a game with a healthy Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 23, 2016, 05:52:25 PM
Can't believe that Atlanta went for it on 4th down instead of punting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2016, 05:57:53 PM
Would have been a heck of a game with a healthy Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2016, 05:57:58 PM
No matter what happens today I think I like our chances in a playoff rematch if Ben's healthy.

Really?  The Patriots looked today like a team that played it safe because they knew Landry Jones wasn't going to beat them, but I got the sense that if they needed to crank it up, they could've. And a rematch would be in New England, and there is no chance in hell the Patriots are losing at home in the playoff to this Steelers team, with or without Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2016, 06:21:21 PM
Can't believe that Atlanta went for it on 4th down instead of punting.

Thing is, if they go for it, get it and go on to win, everyone is talking about how ballsy and gutsy it was, but since they didn't make it and then lost, I guess many will now say it was a bad decision.  They must have thought their D was gassed and they needed to win the game on that drive.  Either way, brutal loss for them, especially after what happened to them last week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 23, 2016, 10:03:35 PM
Good thing I held off clicking the POST button....

This game is just... just... going to be a 6-6 tie?!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2016, 10:05:08 PM
Barring something crazy, it looks like it.

Arizona has put on a beast of a defensive performance and might not even get a W to show for it.

This game has shown the importance of special teams.  Seattle's is great; Arizona's is terrible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Cool Chris on October 23, 2016, 10:11:02 PM
Barring something crazy, it looks like it.

Well, that was crazy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 23, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Horrible kickers on both teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: RoeDent on October 24, 2016, 01:11:54 AM
What an absolutely bizarre result! 4 hours of football and only 12 points to show for it! Thrilling primetime viewing from the NFL!

It also bookends the week after soccer's Liverpool and Manchester United played out a hyped-up game to a dull draw last Monday evening.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Purple Reign
Post by: Dream Team on October 24, 2016, 05:51:30 AM
No matter what happens today I think I like our chances in a playoff rematch if Ben's healthy.

Really?  The Patriots looked today like a team that played it safe because they knew Landry Jones wasn't going to beat them, but I got the sense that if they needed to crank it up, they could've. And a rematch would be in New England, and there is no chance in hell the Patriots are losing at home in the playoff to this Steelers team, with or without Ben.

Well let's just crown NE now and get it over with.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: kaos2900 on October 24, 2016, 06:55:30 AM
And the NFL wonders why their ratings are down.

- Stupid penalties for celebrating
- Not Penalizing wife beaters
- Lack of talent on the field
- Incompetent Refs

Honestly, if it wasn't for Fantasy Football i really wouldn't care about the NFL. Give me college football over the NFL any day.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 24, 2016, 07:02:19 AM
Wow, what an awesome game last night.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 24, 2016, 07:16:47 AM
I think the refs are consistant.  With HD, Slow mo replay we just see the flaws now and how hard it is to ref.  Plus too many damn rule changes that clutter up their calls.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: kaos2900 on October 24, 2016, 07:19:11 AM
I think the refs are consistant.  With HD, Slow mo replay we just see the flaws now and how hard it is to ref.  Plus too many damn rule changes that clutter up their calls.

The rule changes are the league. I agree that the refs are pretty much set up to fail. I'd love to see the NFL embrace technology and use chip tracking. Have maybe 3 refs total to manage the players, move the ball, watch for penalties etc.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 24, 2016, 07:23:12 AM
Let the ticky tack calls go.  Same goes for the fans.  Let the boys play.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 24, 2016, 09:09:09 AM
Wow, what an awesome game last night.

 :lol  You're kidding right?  One of the dumbest games I ever saw.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on October 24, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. Two dudes who have really done well so far this season.

Joe Flacco. One dude who is being exposed for what he is. Strong arm, but not an elevator of talent around him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 24, 2016, 10:52:48 AM
Wow, what an awesome game last night.

 :lol  You're kidding right?
Yes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 24, 2016, 04:27:20 PM
Barring something crazy, it looks like it.

Well, that was crazy.

It sure was.  :lol :lol

No matter what happens today I think I like our chances in a playoff rematch if Ben's healthy.

Really?  The Patriots looked today like a team that played it safe because they knew Landry Jones wasn't going to beat them, but I got the sense that if they needed to crank it up, they could've. And a rematch would be in New England, and there is no chance in hell the Patriots are losing at home in the playoff to this Steelers team, with or without Ben.

Well let's just crown NE now and get it over with.

Okay.

Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. Two dudes who have really done well so far this season.


And Philip Rivers.  And Drew Brees.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Skeever on October 25, 2016, 12:35:34 PM
RE: the ratings drop, I have a theory. The league seems to be suffering from a lack of young talent. Nowhere is this more clear than when you look at the quarterback position.

The league is just bleeding talent at QB. You've got Brady, Ben, and Rogers, and then who? The rest of the league is so mediocre. We've got young talent, like Luck, Winston, and Mariota being wasted on bad teams. We've got a  bunch journeyman veteran QBs serving as placeholders. We've got exciting younger QBs hurt, injured, or otherwise in rehab. Just seems like we're in a very bad place for what's considered the most important, explosive position in the league.

People always complain about the league's efforts to protect the passer, but it seems to me like the league's defensive players were on a trajectory to start physically outmatching the league's QB crop long ago. Looks to me like the QB pedigree of the league (largely, well-off rich kids from elite families) just can't hang on the same field with the types of players that play the other positions of the sport, no matter what rule the league creates to protect them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2016, 03:28:29 PM
I think Colin Cowherd was mostly on the money when he pin pointed yesterday the three things he thinks are hurting their ratings:

-Trump/Clinton
-The Cubs
-The rapid decline of Fan Duel/Draft Kings (down 70% from last year)

He predicts by the time Thanksgiving rolls around, post-election and post-World Series, their ratings will be back up and just fine. 

For me, I can say with certainly that if not for fantasy football, I wouldn't watch nearly as much football as I still do. 

Oh, and nice win by the Broncos last night.

Brock Osweiler, thanks for your contributions last year that helped the Broncos win the Super Bowl, and a BIG THANKS for taking the money and running. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2016, 03:45:57 PM
I'm not a guy that plays fantasy football but I can see the younger generation being upset, but if that pulls you away from watching football I'm calling you out. 

That's a stupid reason you please away from watching football. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2016, 03:46:40 PM
It's...it's almost like your posts are in English.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2016, 03:49:48 PM
-The rapid decline of Fan Duel/Draft Kings (down 70% from last year)

When people say that Fantasy is affecting the ratings, I wasn't thinking of this angle.

I just wonder if it's possible that it just peaked. Simple.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2016, 03:51:07 PM
I almost agree with you.  For $39.99 I'll send you my book, "King to English". 

BlobVanDam said, "Shouldn't I get royalties for this?"

Prog Snob said, "I couldn't put it down.  I was having a stroke reading it".

CALL NOW!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2016, 03:56:24 PM
I almost agree with you.  For $39.99 I'll send you my book, "King to English". 

BlobVanDam said, "Shouldn't I get royalties for this?"

Prog Snob said, "I couldn't put it down.  I was having a stroke reading it".

CALL NOW!

More like Prog Snob was stroking while reading it!


I feel bad for the deaf guy trying to follow the Closed Caption for the "King To English" infomercial.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2016, 04:00:06 PM
Tim, just like this.

https://youtu.be/RrZlWw8Di10
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2016, 04:39:01 PM
Tim, just like this.

https://youtu.be/RrZlWw8Di10

 :lol

Pretty much!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
Post-Week 7 Power Rankings
1. New England - still haven't peaked, which is kind of scary
2. Minnesota - D is still awesome, but problems on offense are now more obvious
3. Dallas - beat divisional game vs Philly this week
4. Denver - In Elway and Kubiak We Trust
5. Seattle - getting a win and a tie the last two weeks in games they should have lost will pay off come playoff time
6. Atlanta - just when we were all taking them seriously as a threat, they do that...
7. Kansas City - quietly looking like a real threat again
8. Philadelphia - great bounce back win after two tough losses
9. Oakland - their offensive line is legit
10. Arizona - appear back on track the last three games, but that tie could hurt them down the stretch

Trending Up:

Detroit - Matt Stafford is so good now
San Diego - Rivers playing at an elite level as always
Tampa Bay - could they seriously challenge for the NFC South crown?

Trending Down:

Los Angeles - deep down, didn't we all know that their 3-1 start was a mirage?
Baltimore - this team is not what I thought it would be
Pittsburgh - will they survive Roethlisberger's injury?

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan
2. Derek Carr
3. David Johnson
4. Matt Stafford
5. Tom Brady
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2016, 04:45:17 PM
In this day and age of football I'm shocked to see a 6-6 game with the rules so slanted to the offense.  Is it coaching,  players watered down?  What is it that most offensives are struggling? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Skeever on October 25, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
I think Colin Cowherd was mostly on the money when he pin pointed yesterday the three things he thinks are hurting their ratings:

-Trump/Clinton
-The Cubs
-The rapid decline of Fan Duel/Draft Kings (down 70% from last year)

He predicts by the time Thanksgiving rolls around, post-election and post-World Series, their ratings will be back up and just fine. 

For me, I can say with certainly that if not for fantasy football, I wouldn't watch nearly as much football as I still do. 

Oh, and nice win by the Broncos last night.

Brock Osweiler, thanks for your contributions last year that helped the Broncos win the Super Bowl, and a BIG THANKS for taking the money and running. :tup :tup

Idk,  I don't really buy it. Has more to do with the bad product to me personally, could be other things for others but the three things Cowherd mentioned have nothing to do with me tuning out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
Maybe not you personally, but I think those three things could explain a lot of it, generally speaking.

Regarding the offensive struggles, I have never seen as many bad offensive lines as there are in the NFL right now. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2016, 06:03:19 PM
I don't get the "bad product" argument. Football is a distant 3rd fave sport for me, but how has it changed?

Is it a New Jersey Devils "trap style" pace? I mean points are being scored, right?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2016, 06:07:25 PM
All these rules promoting offense has not helped more offense.   So the league continues to tweak with more rules instead of just letting them play and enough of calling these tickey tack fouls.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2016, 06:14:14 PM
I don't get the "bad product" argument. Football is a distant 3rd fave sport for me, but how has it changed?

Is it a New Jersey Devils "trap style" pace? I mean points are being scored, right?

I think the nature of how many offenses are run now is very boring.  So many short passes, which might be effective when done well by teams like Dallas and New England, but boring as hell to watch. Watching a 7-minute by Dallas where it is short pass after short pass, with some runs sprinkled in, is enough to put me to sleep.  The invention of the bubble screen has been awful for the product.  Just because it works and results in points doesn't mean it is fun to watch.

I think that is why so many people love watching the Steelers offense when they are clicking...because they actually take shots down field on a regular basis.  Same for Arizona.

And the Kubiak offense is normally like that, although he is being super careful with Siemian so far, because he is a first year starter, but the Kubiak offense is basically the Shanahan offense: run it down hill, and when you pass, you are looking for 20-yard gashes down field, not these little 3-yard dinks.  That is why Kubiak was a perfect fit for Baltimore the one year he was their OC; Flacco is great with the deep ball (usually).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
All these rules promoting offense has not helped more offense.   So the league continues to tweak with more rules instead of just letting them play and enough of calling these tickey tack fouls.

But are people really tuning out because of that? The game pretty much looks the same to me.


Do you think people are turned off because of people like Rice, Peterson, Kaepernick, and now Josh Brown? And perhaps more so by the inept leadership of the league. Maybe people can't relate to the players, or the money grubbing owners. Personally I hate being so besieged by the commercials. It's like they are so clearly stating that they are in it for the money, it's so in your face.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2016, 06:21:06 PM
It's hard to say why ratings are down really.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2016, 06:21:48 PM
The never-ending commercials are awful.

Touchdown

Review

Commercial

Confirmation of the TD

Extra point

Commercial

Kickoff

Commercial
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 25, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
Maybe it's because I never really liked fantasy sports to begin with, but this is the first year since 1998 I have not been in any leagues and I am enjoying football more because I care about game quality than individual performances.

This is also the first full season since "Concussion" came out.  There is probably a small but significant group of people that movie lost.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Cool Chris on October 25, 2016, 08:27:21 PM
I heard that when people watch the Red Zone Channel (however that works, I have no idea), that it doesn't count toward the ratings. And more and more people are watching games that way.

But yes, my god the commercials! Every game is starting to feel like the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Skeever on October 26, 2016, 05:08:40 AM
I don't get the "bad product" argument. Football is a distant 3rd fave sport for me, but how has it changed?

Is it a New Jersey Devils "trap style" pace? I mean points are being scored, right?

I think the nature of how many offenses are run now is very boring.  So many short passes, which might be effective when done well by teams like Dallas and New England, but boring as hell to watch. Watching a 7-minute by Dallas where it is short pass after short pass, with some runs sprinkled in, is enough to put me to sleep.  The invention of the bubble screen has been awful for the product.  Just because it works and results in points doesn't mean it is fun to watch.

Wouldn't you partially blame poor QB play though? I still think everyone's underscoring just how bad the NFL is at that position right now. I remember reading awhile back that college QBs were going to have a harder time adjusting to the pros based on trends in college, and that appears to be true. Just feels like mediocre play all around. Every team in the league aside from a handful might as well be qb'd by Kirk Cousins.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2016, 07:12:38 AM
All these rules promoting offense has not helped more offense.   So the league continues to tweak with more rules instead of just letting them play and enough of calling these tickey tack fouls.

But are people really tuning out because of that? The game pretty much looks the same to me.


Do you think people are turned off because of people like Rice, Peterson, Kaepernick, and now Josh Brown? And perhaps more so by the inept leadership of the league. Maybe people can't relate to the players, or the money grubbing owners. Personally I hate being so besieged by the commercials. It's like they are so clearly stating that they are in it for the money, it's so in your face.

Honestly?  This is going to come off more callous than I intend it, but with the helmets, number of players, and shorter careers in the NFL, I honestly don't think most people give a f*** about what Rice, Peterson, and Brown do off the field.   In uniform, it's different (so I don't put Kaepernick in there) but even then.  That Burdict and Suh are still playing despite what they've done on the field, and I think as long as it's not felony murder, it's not going to impact ratings.

I know for me, though, the parity let's a little of the air out of the game for me. I don't need three teams at 12-0 going into December, but the mantra "Any Given Sunday" has never been more relevant than this year, and for me it makes it a tad too random.  I LIKE knowing the Pats are going to roll up on whoever they're playing this week.  I grew up a Giants fan, and for about 10 years (Staubach into White) twice a year I knew Dallas was going to kick the shit out of the Giants, barring some miracle.  So when that miracle DID happen (rarely) it was more satisfying.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 26, 2016, 07:22:14 AM
I don't think the Cubs have anything to do with it at all.

The other two are certainly having an effect, but the other main things, IMO, are
  1) Thursday night football (oversaturation)
  2) Most of the games aren't very good

When you pimp your product all week long, it had better be a damn good product, because frankly, besides just being a sport with diehard fans, the NFL is an entertainment vehicle, and there are more options for entertainment now than ever before.  Between HBO, Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, there is more quality TV being made now than ever (which doesn't even count any regular network shows, or even great films being made), and I ALREADY don't have time to watch all that I want.  If I have a choice between watching a shitty game just because "football" and catching up on a quality episode of a great show, I will choose the show.

IMHO
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Skeever on October 26, 2016, 07:32:56 AM
Yup, I think the above nailed it. Thursday, Sunday, and Monday night games were typically the only games I watched. The 4pm game has always felt like overkill after watching my team at 1pm.

Bad matches have eroded my interest in Thursday and Monday, and Westworld has eroded my interest in Sunday. Might have to tune in for Eagles/Cowboys though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2016, 07:36:37 AM


Do you think people are turned off because of people like Rice, Peterson, Kaepernick, and now Josh Brown? And perhaps more so by the inept leadership of the league. Maybe people can't relate to the players, or the money grubbing owners. Personally I hate being so besieged by the commercials. It's like they are so clearly stating that they are in it for the money, it's so in your face.

Honestly?  This is going to come off more callous than I intend it, but with the helmets, number of players, and shorter careers in the NFL, I honestly don't think most people give a f*** about what Rice, Peterson, and Brown do off the field.   In uniform, it's different (so I don't put Kaepernick in there) but even then.  That Burdict and Suh are still playing despite what they've done on the field, and I think as long as it's not felony murder, it's not going to impact ratings.

I'm talking about the casual viewer which the NFL seemed to pull in over the last few years. Perhaps they're tuning out because of the negative press.



Serious question...Do shorter careers lead to less "seasoning" of the players. meaning they never get to a "high" level? Are careers any shorter than they used to be? I'd be interested in the trend. There seems to be less identifiable players these days.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dream Team on October 26, 2016, 11:30:45 AM


Do you think people are turned off because of people like Rice, Peterson, Kaepernick, and now Josh Brown? And perhaps more so by the inept leadership of the league. Maybe people can't relate to the players, or the money grubbing owners. Personally I hate being so besieged by the commercials. It's like they are so clearly stating that they are in it for the money, it's so in your face.

I'm sure that's one of those the many factors. Due to the salary cap veterans are quickly cycled out of the league in favor of new no-names. This is most evident on the offensive and defensive lines.
Honestly?  This is going to come off more callous than I intend it, but with the helmets, number of players, and shorter careers in the NFL, I honestly don't think most people give a f*** about what Rice, Peterson, and Brown do off the field.   In uniform, it's different (so I don't put Kaepernick in there) but even then.  That Burdict and Suh are still playing despite what they've done on the field, and I think as long as it's not felony murder, it's not going to impact ratings.

I'm talking about the casual viewer which the NFL seemed to pull in over the last few years. Perhaps they're tuning out because of the negative press.



Serious question...Do shorter careers lead to less "seasoning" of the players. meaning they never get to a "high" level? Are careers any shorter than they used to be? I'd be interested in the trend. There seems to be less identifiable players these days.

I think this is a factor. Due to the salary cap expensive veterans are cycled out and replaced with no-names. This is especially true on the offensive defensive lines.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 26, 2016, 02:35:59 PM
Ummm

Washington Coach Pulls Out Dong, Pees Freely Before The Masses During Game [NSFW] (https://deadspin.com/washington-coach-pulls-out-dong-pees-freely-before-the-1788166113?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=tuesdayPM)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2016, 02:52:47 PM
 :lol

WTF??


Also.."The Washington football team.." Is that their new name?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2016, 02:58:31 PM
Also.."The Washington football team.." Is that their new name?

No.  It's just that some sanctimonious white people in the media think they are doing something of value by refusing to call them the Redskins. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
So let me get this straight. They can show a picture of a guy's dick while pissing in public but the can't say Redskins??
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: PowerSlave on October 26, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
So let me get this straight. They can show a picture of a guy's dick while pissing in public but the can't say Redskins??
 :facepalm:

Maybe after this they should be called the foreskins...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2016, 04:50:10 PM
I don't get the "bad product" argument. Football is a distant 3rd fave sport for me, but how has it changed?

Is it a New Jersey Devils "trap style" pace? I mean points are being scored, right?

I think the nature of how many offenses are run now is very boring.  So many short passes, which might be effective when done well by teams like Dallas and New England, but boring as hell to watch. Watching a 7-minute by Dallas where it is short pass after short pass, with some runs sprinkled in, is enough to put me to sleep.  The invention of the bubble screen has been awful for the product.  Just because it works and results in points doesn't mean it is fun to watch.

Wouldn't you partially blame poor QB play though? I still think everyone's underscoring just how bad the NFL is at that position right now. I remember reading awhile back that college QBs were going to have a harder time adjusting to the pros based on trends in college, and that appears to be true. Just feels like mediocre play all around. Every team in the league aside from a handful might as well be qb'd by Kirk Cousins.

Not sure I agree. 

Brady, Brees, Stafford, Carr, Rivers, Ryan, Roethlisberger and Luck have all been mostly outstanding this year.

Rodgers, Wilson, Dalton, Bradford, Smith and Cousins have all had some bad moments, but have mostly played good.

Winston, Prescott and Wentz are all young QBs playing well.  You could even throw Siemian in there.

Eli and Cam are both playing well below expectations, but should both come around at some point.

Sure, there are shit QBs like Tannehill, whoever is starting for SF, Osweiler and Fitzpatrick, but they are in the vast minority.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
So let me get this straight. They can show a picture of a guy's dick while pissing in public but the can't say Redskins??
 :facepalm:

Maybe after this they should be called the foreskins...

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Wait... since when is "dong" the official medical term to be used in headlines for the male genitalia?   

And honestly, ban me now if you have to, but leave it to a woman to photograph that and send it out into the interwebs.  If that was a girl taking a squat at, say, a concert, or out in the parking lot (which I've seen a hundred times if I've seen it once) and a guy put that on Twatter, all holy hell would break loose.

For the love of God, it's a penis and urination.  Give the guy five minutes to himself for f***'s sake.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 27, 2016, 08:41:10 AM
Amen brotha!  I miss the old day when the reporters weren't trying to out scoop each other.  When hearsay like Twitter is taken as truth.  It takes away from the game.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good reporters Tweeting out real info but it's not the norm out there.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2016, 08:49:08 AM
Wait... since when is "dong" the official medical term to be used in headlines for the male genitalia?   

And honestly, ban me now if you have to, but leave it to a woman to photograph that and send it out into the interwebs.  If that was a girl taking a squat at, say, a concert, or out in the parking lot (which I've seen a hundred times if I've seen it once) and a guy put that on Twatter, all holy hell would break loose.

For the love of God, it's a penis and urination.  Give the guy five minutes to himself for f***'s sake.

He's an active coach on the sidelines in front of a crowd and tons of cameras.  I don't know if peeing on the sideline is normal or not, and I particularly don't care for this story since I don't think it's a huge deal since besides this one lady, I doubt anyone even noticed, but he should be held to a much higher standard than a girl at a concert.  Having said that, his team didn't discipline him which I am fine with and it is kind of odd for a female to take a picture of a mans dong and post it for the world to see, but I guess that's fair game when you do it so publicly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 27, 2016, 10:17:35 AM
So let me get this straight. They can show a picture of a guy's dick while pissing in public but the can't say Redskins??
 :facepalm:

Maybe after this they should be called the foreskins...

 :lol

 :lol  I've been calling them the foreskins for quite a while now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Wait... since when is "dong" the official medical term to be used in headlines for the male genitalia?   

And honestly, ban me now if you have to, but leave it to a woman to photograph that and send it out into the interwebs.  If that was a girl taking a squat at, say, a concert, or out in the parking lot (which I've seen a hundred times if I've seen it once) and a guy put that on Twatter, all holy hell would break loose.

For the love of God, it's a penis and urination.  Give the guy five minutes to himself for f***'s sake.

He's an active coach on the sidelines in front of a crowd and tons of cameras.  I don't know if peeing on the sideline is normal or not, and I particularly don't care for this story since I don't think it's a huge deal since besides this one lady, I doubt anyone even noticed, but he should be held to a much higher standard than a girl at a concert.  Having said that, his team didn't discipline him which I am fine with and it is kind of odd for a female to take a picture of a mans dong and post it for the world to see, but I guess that's fair game when you do it so publicly.

So if he pukes or has a seizure or something like that, it's all fair game?  I think we've lost something if a person - at his job, mind you - has to agree to submit to that level of scrutiny on all matters.   It's not like we're talking about something that ONLY this coach does.  I'm not certain (I'm not a doctor) but I'm pretty sure something like 70% of the US population urinates.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 27, 2016, 01:59:27 PM
I don't urinate at my desk.  I get up and go to the bathroom. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2016, 02:05:04 PM
Wait... since when is "dong" the official medical term to be used in headlines for the male genitalia?   

And honestly, ban me now if you have to, but leave it to a woman to photograph that and send it out into the interwebs.  If that was a girl taking a squat at, say, a concert, or out in the parking lot (which I've seen a hundred times if I've seen it once) and a guy put that on Twatter, all holy hell would break loose.

For the love of God, it's a penis and urination.  Give the guy five minutes to himself for f***'s sake.

He's an active coach on the sidelines in front of a crowd and tons of cameras.  I don't know if peeing on the sideline is normal or not, and I particularly don't care for this story since I don't think it's a huge deal since besides this one lady, I doubt anyone even noticed, but he should be held to a much higher standard than a girl at a concert.  Having said that, his team didn't discipline him which I am fine with and it is kind of odd for a female to take a picture of a mans dong and post it for the world to see, but I guess that's fair game when you do it so publicly.

So if he pukes or has a seizure or something like that, it's all fair game?  I think we've lost something if a person - at his job, mind you - has to agree to submit to that level of scrutiny on all matters.   It's not like we're talking about something that ONLY this coach does.  I'm not certain (I'm not a doctor) but I'm pretty sure something like 70% of the US population urinates.  :)

You are not comparing apples to apples here, just like the comparison of a girl at a concert.  He is in plain view of TV cameras and 60k in the stadium and one can hold their piss, well maybe 70% of the population can, but you cannot prevent puking or seizures.   Even if he couldn't hold his piss, there are better ways than doing it on the field or at least in a position where someone can see you from the crowd.    Once again, I don't think it's a story really and I doubt he is the first person to do such a thing, but I bet most do it in a manner that doesn't land you in a picture holding your dong.  No one would scrutinize him if he pissed in a bathroom so the scrutinizing argument makes no sense.  If I piss in my cubicle and get busted, that is on me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 27, 2016, 07:38:01 PM
                              :puke:
Um, Jax has honey mustard puke color rush unis and down 24-0 in 2nd Qtr.  Sucks to be them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: El Barto on October 27, 2016, 07:46:48 PM
Wait... since when is "dong" the official medical term to be used in headlines for the male genitalia?   

And honestly, ban me now if you have to, but leave it to a woman to photograph that and send it out into the interwebs.  If that was a girl taking a squat at, say, a concert, or out in the parking lot (which I've seen a hundred times if I've seen it once) and a guy put that on Twatter, all holy hell would break loose.

For the love of God, it's a penis and urination.  Give the guy five minutes to himself for f***'s sake.

He's an active coach on the sidelines in front of a crowd and tons of cameras.  I don't know if peeing on the sideline is normal or not, and I particularly don't care for this story since I don't think it's a huge deal since besides this one lady, I doubt anyone even noticed, but he should be held to a much higher standard than a girl at a concert.  Having said that, his team didn't discipline him which I am fine with and it is kind of odd for a female to take a picture of a mans dong and post it for the world to see, but I guess that's fair game when you do it so publicly.

So if he pukes or has a seizure or something like that, it's all fair game?  I think we've lost something if a person - at his job, mind you - has to agree to submit to that level of scrutiny on all matters.   It's not like we're talking about something that ONLY this coach does.  I'm not certain (I'm not a doctor) but I'm pretty sure something like 70% of the US population urinates.  :)

You are not comparing apples to apples here, just like the comparison of a girl at a concert.  He is in plain view of TV cameras and 60k in the stadium and one can hold their piss, well maybe 70% of the population can, but you cannot prevent puking or seizures.   Even if he couldn't hold his piss, there are better ways than doing it on the field or at least in a position where someone can see you from the crowd.    Once again, I don't think it's a story really and I doubt he is the first person to do such a thing, but I bet most do it in a manner that doesn't land you in a picture holding your dong.  No one would scrutinize him if he pissed in a bathroom so the scrutinizing argument makes no sense.  If I piss in my cubicle and get busted, that is on me.
Dude's a special teams coach, and his team was down 3 at the end of the game. There's a real good chance his unit is going to try and extend the game indefinitely. Honestly, I'm giving the guy a raise for not leaving the field during a critical moment. Of course then I'm firing him for not having the damn common sense to have some trainers shield him from the cameras.

Players have been pretty up front that these things happen. And if I recall correctly, a cowboys coach was razzed a bit for having to leave the field for a few minutes. Might have been Wade Phillips. What I don't get is why they hell they don't put a damn port-a-can down there. "Well, we commissioned a study of that and determined that it would be too expensive."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: El Barto on October 27, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
And Mariotta's lead block was pretty ugly, but props to the guy for doing it and it might have been the difference between a TD and 1&g at the 6. Not sure but it looked like Murray bounced it outside on his own and MM took it upon himself to head downfield and covered ground faster than Murray for a spurt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 30, 2016, 11:17:32 AM
Refs just gave Carolina 7 points.  Palmer clearly was pushing the ball forward.  No empty hand and yet the ruling on the field stands as a fumble and recovery for a Panthers TD.  Bad officiating continues.   :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2016, 11:33:37 AM
Hey look, another tie! :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 30, 2016, 11:35:50 AM
Yeah, it's funny.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: RoeDent on October 30, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
Nice of them to give us Brits some bonus football today!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: AngelBack on October 30, 2016, 11:42:47 AM
Brady continues to show how the position of quarterback is to be played.  Unreal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2016, 11:44:24 AM
I apologize to those who do not like hearing about FF, but I am glad I started Chris Hogan on every team I have him.  Him scoring today against his old team was so predictable. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: mike099 on October 30, 2016, 06:49:45 PM
Just wanted to say that the Green Bay and Atlanta game was entertaining.  Too bad they all cannot be that good and close.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Cool Chris on October 30, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
Uh, the SEA-ARI and WSH-CIN games were closer, hello?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 30, 2016, 10:06:52 PM
That's how you win in OT.  Fuck yeah!  :2metal:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: axeman90210 on October 30, 2016, 10:27:34 PM
I apologize to those who do not like hearing about FF, but I am glad I started Chris Hogan on every team I have him.  Him scoring today against his old team was so predictable. :tup :tup

Yeah, I had him in my lineup because OBJ is on a bye this week, worked out pretty nicely :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: Skeever on October 31, 2016, 05:01:37 AM
Speaking of fantasy, terrible coaching by Doug Peterson cost the Eagles their game against Dallas and limited my FF Ryan Matthews to a measley 8 points.

You're up by 13 in the fourth quarter. You could, you know, try running the ball.

Oh, right. Peterson's from the Andy Reid coaching tree  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2016, 07:11:33 AM
I was just glad to see the Panthers actually resemble the Panthers yesterday.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: King Postwhore on October 31, 2016, 07:19:32 AM
anybody see the dildo thrown on the field yesterday at the Bill/Pats game? :lol  The local media is having a field day with it today. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2016, 08:19:34 AM
No  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2016, 08:21:44 AM
I think it's kinda disrespectful to call Rex names like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: dparrott on October 31, 2016, 08:23:38 AM
anybody see the dildo thrown on the field yesterday at the Bill/Pats game? :lol  The local media is having a field day with it today.

Oh really?  :lol

Raiders Derek Carr: First QB to have 500+ yards and 4 TDs in a road game.  And only 3rd player in history to have 500+ yards, 4 TDs and no INTs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2016, 08:28:44 AM
Anyone else getting tired of the parity, though?   I only got five right for the second week in a row, and it's not because I'm rolling dice to do it.  It's that basically any team in the league - except for the Pats (good) and Browns (bad) - can be a .500 team.  The Saints are a perfect example of this.  They could score 35 point (and win OR lose) or they could score 15 points (and win OR lose).  Not that I want everything to be scripted out, but if you have a team that is on paper better than another, they should beat that other more than 50% of the time, and it doesn't seem that's the case.  The Bills are another example (though I know they're hurting).   The Eagles too.   FFS. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Old Team on the Brock
Post by: El Barto on October 31, 2016, 08:31:17 AM
anybody see the dildo thrown on the field yesterday at the Bill/Pats game? :lol  The local media is having a field day with it today.
Didn't see any dilders but did see Rex Ryan way too gleeful after a meaningless touchdown that only slightly narrowed the margin of defeat. I don't want to see my head coach acting exuberant as he looses 41-25.

Last night was a rare entertaining late game this year. Ballsy win by Dallas.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: El Barto on October 31, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
Anyone else getting tired of the parity, though?   I only got five right for the second week in a row, and it's not because I'm rolling dice to do it.  It's that basically any team in the league - except for the Pats (good) and Browns (bad) - can be a .500 team.  The Saints are a perfect example of this.  They could score 35 point (and win OR lose) or they could score 15 points (and win OR lose).  Not that I want everything to be scripted out, but if you have a team that is on paper better than another, they should beat that other more than 50% of the time, and it doesn't seem that's the case.  The Bills are another example (though I know they're hurting).   The Eagles too.   FFS.
You take the good with the bad. Parity has also brought with it fantastic play at times, including most of the playoffs nowadays. Playoff football has been spectacular for the last 8 or so years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2016, 08:39:24 AM
Anyone else getting tired of the parity, though?   I only got five right for the second week in a row, and it's not because I'm rolling dice to do it.  It's that basically any team in the league - except for the Pats (good) and Browns (bad) - can be a .500 team.  The Saints are a perfect example of this.  They could score 35 point (and win OR lose) or they could score 15 points (and win OR lose).  Not that I want everything to be scripted out, but if you have a team that is on paper better than another, they should beat that other more than 50% of the time, and it doesn't seem that's the case.  The Bills are another example (though I know they're hurting).   The Eagles too.   FFS.
You take the good with the bad. Parity has also brought with it fantastic play at times, including most of the playoffs nowadays. Playoff football has been spectacular for the last 8 or so years.

Love the parity, football is the only sport with such parity and it's what makes the league great IMO.   Now if all the teams in the league started finishing 8-8 then Id see a problem, but we still have clear cut good teams and bad teams, just a very muddy middle that can make a game out of the top or bottom teams of the league.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 31, 2016, 08:42:41 AM
I think it's kinda disrespectful to call Rex names like that.

Local radio isn't allowed to call it a dildo so when they were talking to Tom Brady this morning they called it "Roger Goodell". :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2016, 08:55:51 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 31, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
WTF.  The Pats just traded Jamie Collins to the Browns for a 3rd round pick.  I know he was going to free agency but right now?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 31, 2016, 11:08:23 AM
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/hey-dak-thats-anice-season-you-would-beashame-if-someone-4926795.png)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 31, 2016, 11:27:14 AM
 :lol  Good one Coz.  Like I said in the pre-season, Dak is the man.  Romo is probably done for the Cowboys.  However, there are plenty of teams that could use him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
That last TD last night was absolutely BEAUTIFUL to watch.  And I'm a Giants fan.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on October 31, 2016, 12:48:21 PM
https://screengrabber.deadspin.com/dildo-thrown-on-field-1788383824?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

For those of you that missed the dildo...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
https://screengrabber.deadspin.com/dildo-thrown-on-field-1788383824?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

For those of you that missed the dildo...

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 31, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
 :lol  Tom Brady interview today. His talk on the dildo is hilarious.

https://media.weei.com/device/mobile/a/117270247/k-c-tom-brady-on-his-four-touchdown-performance-in-buffalo-10-31-16.htm#

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Skeever on October 31, 2016, 02:41:50 PM
:lol  Good one Coz.  Like I said in the pre-season, Dak is the man.  Romo is probably done for the Cowboys.  However, there are plenty of teams that could use him.

If he could stay healthy sure.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2016, 02:44:07 PM
:lol  Good one Coz.  Like I said in the pre-season, Dak is the man.  Romo is probably done for the Cowboys.  However, there are plenty of teams that could use him.

If he could stay healthy sure.

Sounds like a good fit for Cleveland.  He could get injured there like the rest of their QBs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 31, 2016, 06:35:35 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14595609_1012826195511534_5359085899820854878_n.jpg?oh=ddc4c0386cebb0e65aef8f9fcccd4961&oe=589E843A)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
Regardless of what I think of Cam Newton (not a fan), but he is totally right.  That low hit on him yesterday was the kind that the rule was created to prevent...and it gets no flag??

Monster win for Dallas last night. That was a game that Philly probably should've won, but Dallas found a way to steal it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 31, 2016, 06:58:08 PM
Goodell should come to New England,  we have a few complaints as well.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
WTF.  The Pats just traded Jamie Collins to the Browns for a 3rd round pick.  I know he was going to free agency but right now?

Sounds like Collins hasn't been playing well all year, and word is he has been loafing it a lot, so this is them chucking him before he hits free agency in the offseason.  And it sends a message to the defense to get their shit together.  Ballsy move.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on October 31, 2016, 07:18:01 PM
Also he's not following direction as well.  Now he is in football Siberia.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 31, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
Purple Reign?   :rollin They got jinxed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: lonestar on October 31, 2016, 09:50:23 PM
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14900368_1204233719635632_2889171111012813451_n.jpg?oh=b71b7b80cf91fdab493d331f8758afd4&oe=58D4DAEF)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: El Barto on October 31, 2016, 09:51:59 PM
Patriots offered Collins $11/year, and he wanted Von Miller money; upwards of $19. Now he's a fucking Brown.  :lol 

Honestly, I suspect there's more to it, though. There's very little upside to the deal. The 3rd rounder is conditional, and might wind up being the same 4th round compensatory pick they'd get if he left in FA. All they're getting is the shot at it being a slightly better pick and rid of him. The second part was probably more important.

And Kev's point about sending a message to the D is very sound. The Jimmy Johnson method.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Skeever on November 01, 2016, 05:03:10 AM
Goodell should come to New England,  we have a few complaints as well.  :lol
Gimmie a break.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 01, 2016, 05:40:19 AM
Purple Reign?   :rollin They got jinxed.

2000 Ravens went a month without scoring a TD and lost 3 games in a row.

Not saying that the Vikings are the 2000 Ravens, but they're still in decent shape. They've just got to keep Bradford upright and healthy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 01, 2016, 06:04:32 AM
Goodell should come to New England,  we have a few complaints as well.  :lol
Gimmie a break.

Never.  Suck it up buttercup.  The Commissioner of the league can't show his face here in NE.  I wonder why.......
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2016, 06:41:50 AM
Also he's not following direction as well.  Now he is in football Siberia.

In my opinion?  the "Cleveland" part of that trade is not random.  Meaning, they didn't send him to Minnesota, or Dallas, or anywhere where he might be able to skate on by.   Similar thing happened to LeGarrett Blount (though Pitt isn't "Football Siberia"), where he saw how the other three quarters live, and came back humble, and ready to work.  Now he's one of the best backs in the league on one of the best teams in the league.   

The Pats will be fine without him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 01, 2016, 06:45:41 AM
Well, they also have a history of trading with the Browns while others are not willing to trade with the Pats for obvious reasons.

Hey, as a fan I'm shocked but I'll assume there is multiple variables that caused them to pull the trigger on this trade mid season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 01, 2016, 07:25:27 AM
Similar thing happened to LeGarrett Blount (though Pitt isn't "Football Siberia"), where he saw how the other three quarters live, and came back humble, and ready to work.  Now he's one of the best backs in the league on one of the best teams in the league.   

There were numerous reasons that Blount didn't work out in Pittsburgh, mainly getting high while driving and leaving the field early before a game finished because he was throwing a hissy-fit. That being said Tomlin is WAY more of a "players coach" than Billy boy who strikes me as much more a disciplinarian.

Hey, as a fan I'm shocked but I'll assume there is multiple variables that caused them to pull the trigger on this trade mid season.

As someone who is far from a Pats fan, my first thought was in a trade between the Browns and the Pats, there's literally no way the Pats lost out on the deal. One franchise is the best at this sort of thing and one is easily the worst.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2016, 07:54:06 AM
Well, they also have a history of trading with the Browns while others are not willing to trade with the Pats for obvious reasons.


Haha, is there a connection there?  Are the Browns 0-8 because they deal with the Pats?  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 01, 2016, 07:55:23 AM
 :lol

You know any team in contention will not trade to them.  Plus, trades are rare compared to other leagues.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Skeever on November 01, 2016, 11:50:45 AM
Goodell should come to New England,  we have a few complaints as well.  :lol
Gimmie a break.

Never.  Suck it up buttercup.  The Commissioner of the league can't show his face here in NE.  I wonder why.......
Me too, consider Brady got special treatment for the bulk of his career. The shit NE had to go through with deflategate was, at a minimum, just making up for lost time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 01, 2016, 11:51:16 AM
Goodell should come to New England,  we have a few complaints as well.  :lol
Gimmie a break.

Never.  Suck it up buttercup.  The Commissioner of the league can't show his face here in NE.  I wonder why.......

Irrational hatred. :P

That being said Tomlin is WAY more of a "players coach" than Billy boy who strikes me as much more a disciplinarian.


You say that like it's a bad thing.  Belichick being such a disciplinarian is a large reason why the Patriots are top contenders every year, and Tomlin being too much of a players coach is a reason why they seem to underachieve more often than not lately.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 01, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.  Belichick being such a disciplinarian is a large reason why the Patriots are top contenders every year, and Tomlin being too much of a players coach is a reason why they seem to underachieve more often than not lately.

Not a bad thing at all. Actually even as a life-long Steelers fan, I completely agree with your assessment.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 01, 2016, 12:28:12 PM
Goodell should come to New England,  we have a few complaints as well.  :lol
Gimmie a break.

Never.  Suck it up buttercup.  The Commissioner of the league can't show his face here in NE.  I wonder why.......

Irrational hatred. :P

That being said Tomlin is WAY more of a "players coach" than Billy boy who strikes me as much more a disciplinarian.


You say that like it's a bad thing.  Belichick being such a disciplinarian is a large reason why the Patriots are top contenders every year, and Tomlin being too much of a players coach is a reason why they seem to underachieve more often than not lately.

 :lol

Don't you know it.   ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 01, 2016, 12:37:12 PM
Once again, I wasn't trying to say Belichick's approach is a bad thing. Take the specific example we were talking about, Blount. The Steelers couldn't make it work with the guy, he goes back to NE and is doing great. Not that the Steelers really need a running back, that's one thing they actually have.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 01, 2016, 12:39:49 PM
 :lol

No!  I was picking on Kev! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on November 01, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Once again, I wasn't trying to say Belichick's approach is a bad thing. Take the specific example we were talking about, Blount. The Steelers couldn't make it work with the guy, he goes back to NE and is doing great. Not that the Steelers really need a running back, that's one thing they actually have.  :lol

They could have used one in the latter stages of that season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 01, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
:lol

No!  I was picking on Kev! :lol

No worries, just wanted to make sure I was understood, it's rare for me to give props to the Pats and not the Steelers  :biggrin:

They could have used one in the latter stages of that season.

For sure, but that was pretty hard to plan for. When you have Bell and Williams as your 1-2 running backs it's rare that you would be in that situation. Also, it would have been hard for them to pretty much have 3 potential starters on the roster, that would be a lot tied up in one position.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on November 01, 2016, 02:07:00 PM
For sure, but that was pretty hard to plan for. When you have Bell and Williams as your 1-2 running backs it's rare that you would be in that situation. Also, it would have been hard for them to pretty much have 3 potential starters on the roster, that would be a lot tied up in one position.

That was a season prior to them having Williams. He was still with Carolina when they had Blount.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 01, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
For sure, but that was pretty hard to plan for. When you have Bell and Williams as your 1-2 running backs it's rare that you would be in that situation. Also, it would have been hard for them to pretty much have 3 potential starters on the roster, that would be a lot tied up in one position.

That was a season prior to them having Williams. He was still with Carolina when they had Blount.

Poop, you are right! My bad! I do remember that now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 01, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
So I heard a new way of calling the sex toy thrown on the field at the Pats/Bills game.


It was a.......Wait for it.......... a.....

Billdo. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on November 01, 2016, 04:28:18 PM
So I heard a new way of calling the sex toy thrown on the field at the Pats/Bills game.


It was a.......Wait for it.......... a.....

Billdo. :lol

 :lol Buffuldo
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on November 01, 2016, 04:41:21 PM
Post-Week 8 Power Rankings
1. New England - offense looks dominant, but will this be another season where the D lets them down?
2. Dallas - could be the class of the NFC with a rookie QB and RB
3. Kansas City - the best team nobody is talking about
4. Denver - the four games against Oakland and KC will tell us how good they really are this year
5. Atlanta - huge win over a GB team that suddenly found its offense
6. Minnesota - went from looking like the best team in the NFC to a mess
7. Oakland - big test against the Broncos this week
8. Seattle - Russell Wilson's injury has killed their offense, since he cannot move around now to make up for their terrible O-line
9. Philadelphia - tough loss in a game they controlled for most of the second half
10. Houston - makes me ill to put them in the top 10, but had a nice bounce back win against a Lions team that had been playing really well

Trending Up:

Miami - on the way to 7-9 again
NY Jets - nowhere to go but up following that 1-5 start
Tennessee - have gotten themselves to 4-4

Trending Down:

Jacksonville - how Gus Bradley is still a head coach in this league is beyond me
Buffalo - predictable stumble after an unpredictable winning streak
Los Angeles - no division opponents any time soon, so wins will be hard to come by

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr
2. Matt Ryan
3. Tom Brady
4. Dak Prescott
5. Von Miller
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 04, 2016, 05:13:09 AM
That game last night was worth watching just to see that Mike Evans catch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvkKGgqkIE

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2016, 07:05:21 AM
That game last night was worth watching just to see that Mike Evans catch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvkKGgqkIE

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

The hit was what made that special.  He took a licking and kept on ticking.


(But those UNIFORMS!  ACK!)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: romdrums on November 04, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
That game last night was worth watching just to see that Mike Evans catch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvkKGgqkIE

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

The hit was what made that special.  He took a licking and kept on ticking.


(But those UNIFORMS!  ACK!)

THOSE BUCS UNIFORMS ARE THE EQUIVALENT OF TYPING IN ALL CAPS.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 04, 2016, 07:30:29 AM
 :lol

But that uniform wasn't done by mistake! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 04, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
Those uniforms are awful.  Glad I didn't watch the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2016, 09:40:57 AM
That game last night was worth watching just to see that Mike Evans catch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvkKGgqkIE

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

The hit was what made that special.  He took a licking and kept on ticking.


(But those UNIFORMS!  ACK!)

THOSE BUCS UNIFORMS ARE THE EQUIVALENT OF TYPING IN ALL CAPS.

Haha, I love that analogy. I might steal that.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: pogoowner on November 04, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
The Bucs' uniforms are awful to start with (those numbers are a travesty), but the color rush version really puts them over the top. Bring back the orange.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 04, 2016, 12:49:53 PM
Evans makes a phenomenal catch, which I post, and everyone just talks about the uniforms. Good grief. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 04, 2016, 02:11:53 PM
Those uniforms are awful.  Glad I didn't watch the game.

Uniforms have no affect on the outcome of a game.  It's football, not a fashion show.  :lol


Evans makes a phenomenal catch, which I post, and everyone just talks about the uniforms. Good grief. :facepalm:

I saw that play and at first, it didn't look like he was gonna get up.  Nasty hit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: bosk1 on November 04, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
Evans makes a phenomenal catch, which I post, and everyone just talks about the uniforms. Good grief. :facepalm:
More like:  Durant has a phenomenal game against his former team while Westbrook gets completely shut down, and everyone just talks about the NFL Thursday night game.  Good grief. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 04, 2016, 03:19:11 PM
Shiiiiit, boooossk1. That honky Kev be messin' mah B-ball... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 04, 2016, 04:07:38 PM

Evans makes a phenomenal catch, which I post, and everyone just talks about the uniforms. Good grief. :facepalm:

I saw that play and at first, it didn't look like he was gonna get up.  Nasty hit.

Winston is going to get him killed with some of those throws he makes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dream Team on November 04, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
Seriously, how old is Gronk, 14? Continually giggling like an eighth grader about scoring his 69th touchdown.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 04, 2016, 05:48:20 PM
Seriously, how old is Gronk, 14? Continually giggling like an eighth grader about scoring his 69th touchdown.

Yup.  There's 5 boys in that family can you imagine the destruction in that house? :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Cable on November 04, 2016, 08:16:23 PM
Similar thing happened to LeGarrett Blount (though Pitt isn't "Football Siberia"), where he saw how the other three quarters live, and came back humble, and ready to work.  Now he's one of the best backs in the league on one of the best teams in the league.   

There were numerous reasons that Blount didn't work out in Pittsburgh, mainly getting high while driving and leaving the field early before a game finished because he was throwing a hissy-fit. That being said Tomlin is WAY more of a "players coach" than Billy boy who strikes me as much more a disciplinarian.



While the second part of one of the best teams in the league is right, Blount is a tier two running back at best. His career numbers dictate as much
https://www.nfl.com/player/legarretteblount/497149/profile

Outside of touchdowns, he is not really holding up against his peers. Games like 18 for 43yds, 13 for 50 have been more present than 24 for 127. Blount is basically a one sided player, which is pretty much who BenJarvus Green-Ellis was. Further, Blount's seasonal yards per carry is trending in the wrong direction. Now, talking about his importance to the team, and belief in the Patriots system is a very different discussion.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 04, 2016, 09:43:58 PM
Yeah, Blount is a mediocre back who is a product of the system.  His porous YPA, despite playing in that offense, shows how good he isn't. 

Speaking of a product of the system, I still have no idea how good Ezekiel Elliot really is.  I mean, he is definitely better than any of the RBs they had last year, but their o-line is so dominant that I think just about any good RB could do what he's doing this year. 

David Johnson is probably the best RB in the game right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: pogoowner on November 04, 2016, 09:47:46 PM
It's a toss-up between Le'Veon Bell and David Johnson. And I think Elliot looks like the real deal, even if he does have a good o-line. He has great athleticism, but he also runs with power.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 05, 2016, 07:21:05 AM
I think we can almost throw DeMarco Murray back into the mix, when you consider what he is doing this year on a mediocre Titans team.

Also, I saw a stat that said that the Steelers are 1-7 against the Ravens without Roethlisberger since 2004 (his rookie year).  What stands out is not the record, but the fact that Roethlisberger has missed that many games against them. Just goes to show you how much the guy gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dream Team on November 05, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
I've seen this movie before. Ben comes back too soon, can't plant properly, and his passes sail high straight into the arms of waiting defenders. Probably gonna be ugly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 05, 2016, 02:37:40 PM
We can only hope.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: dparrott on November 06, 2016, 10:21:51 AM
Raiders get to find out if they are for real tonight.  With a couple of members of Broncos D injured, they may pull it out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 06, 2016, 12:31:48 PM
As good as the Vikings look for the first part of the season, they have looked that bad lately.  Another ugly offensive performance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 06, 2016, 01:27:48 PM
And just got stopped on a 4th and 1 on the 4 hard line of the Lions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 06, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
If they lose this game, it's their own fault for not cutting that stooge of a kicker two months ago.  If they had a kicker worth a damn, they probably are leading this game 16-13 (since they probably kicked the FG there, the XP wouldn't have missed, and the other missed FG wouldn't have been shanked so badly, which is the reason why it was blocked).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 06, 2016, 01:35:09 PM
Damn the Ravens are taking it to the Steelers today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 06, 2016, 01:57:00 PM
Matt Prater is the man!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 06, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
HORRENDOUS clock management by Minnesota at the end there.  Running 2nd down too quickly and then calling timeout after 2nd down with 27 seconds left enabled Detroit to have time to tie it up.  Awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 06, 2016, 02:12:23 PM
Holy shit Jets.  Way to kill your momentum.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 06, 2016, 02:35:30 PM
Holy shit Jets.  Way to kill your momentum.

That's pretty much their season. They would have had to finish the rest of the season 7-1 at the worst to have a shot at the playoffs. With two games again New England and pretty much no shot of beating them in Foxborough, the best record they can obtain is 9-7 which will not be good enough for the playoffs with the AFC West being so good this season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2016, 02:42:38 PM
Good and needed win for the Giants.  I thought they were about to blow it with that interception at the end.  :yarr
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: RoeDent on November 06, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
What a start to Colts @ Packers! Kickoff returned 99 yards for a Colts touchdown. Just as I write, the Packers intercept.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 06, 2016, 03:06:29 PM
So how about that Steelers onside kick?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on November 06, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
I've been a Mike Tomlin defender for many years. Needless to say, that came to an end today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: axeman90210 on November 06, 2016, 03:29:40 PM
Holy shit Jets.  Way to kill your momentum.

Fucking offsides on a kickoff....

Hopefully we pick someone good in the draft next year :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2016, 03:31:23 PM
Hopefully we pick someone good in the draft next year :lol

Well if we go by history, I'm guessing they won't.  :lol  I feel bad for Jets fans (my father is one). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Skeever on November 06, 2016, 03:32:40 PM
Yup, it's over for the Jets. Chan Gailey's offense is terrible in the Red Zone, and Fitz being so mediocre doesn' thelp.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: axeman90210 on November 06, 2016, 04:09:53 PM
I thing the loss of Decker was a huge blow for our offense, because basically the same group of guys playing for Gailey last year were fantastic in the red zone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 06, 2016, 07:15:41 PM
Kevin, Denver's O is affecting the D. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on November 06, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Wow, did Collinsworth call that TD for the Broncos or what?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: pogoowner on November 06, 2016, 10:22:27 PM
I thought all along that they'd have a good year, but it's really refreshing to actually see Oakland doing well. They have a great fanbase and they deserve it. The stadium situation is a damn shame, though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2016, 04:01:35 AM
I thing the loss of Decker was a huge blow for our offense, because basically the same group of guys playing for Gailey last year were fantastic in the red zone.

Definitely, but I also think an aging Fitzpatrick who never really was a QB to lead a successful team is a problem as well.  Which of course ties into Decker, but I just think that whole hold out over the summer and the poor draft choices at QB are what has really hurt them the most.  I'm also surprised their defense isn't better than what they are, but that could be tied to poor QB play.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dream Team on November 07, 2016, 05:31:00 AM
For anyone who still thinks Tomlin is a good coach, I suggest watching that onside kick attempt on a loop. His other brilliant strategy was to attack the Ravens' strength (run defense) with runs up the middle with predictable results.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 07, 2016, 06:57:53 AM
For anyone who still thinks Tomlin is a good coach, I suggest watching that onside kick attempt on a loop. His other brilliant strategy was to attack the Ravens' strength (run defense) with runs up the middle with predictable results.

I agree, but unfortunately, as a Steelers fan, there's pretty much zero chance at his job being on the line regardless of how well they do.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2016, 08:28:20 AM
Raiders looked good last night.

Panthers: well, a win is a win at this point.  The Rams have a legit good defense, but I would have liked to see a better performance yesterday.  Oh well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: axeman90210 on November 07, 2016, 09:37:04 AM
I thing the loss of Decker was a huge blow for our offense, because basically the same group of guys playing for Gailey last year were fantastic in the red zone.

Definitely, but I also think an aging Fitzpatrick who never really was a QB to lead a successful team is a problem as well.  Which of course ties into Decker, but I just think that whole hold out over the summer and the poor draft choices at QB are what has really hurt them the most.  I'm also surprised their defense isn't better than what they are, but that could be tied to poor QB play.

Yeah, I expected some regression from him compared to last year, but I think the lack of Decker has made it a bit more severe than it would have been otherwise. The defense is really what's been a letdown for me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
Kevin, Denver's O is affecting the D.

I didn't see the game - was at the DT concert  :biggrin: - but from what I've heard about the game, their two biggest problems reared their ugly head: the offensive line and the run defense.

For anyone who still thinks Tomlin is a good coach, I suggest watching that onside kick attempt on a loop. His other brilliant strategy was to attack the Ravens' strength (run defense) with runs up the middle with predictable results.

He is too much of a players coach.  LeVeon Bell even came out and said they make mistakes in practice all the time. :eek :eek :eek  That speaks volumes as to how bad a job Tomlin does at getting his team ready. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2016, 07:21:45 PM
Hey look, a good game for once tonight!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 07, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
It also makes me feel confident for next week's game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 07, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
Wow, Buffalo is setting a record for number of times being jobbed by the refs in the final five seconds of a half.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 07, 2016, 08:16:01 PM
Jimmy Graham is back to beasting.

And what a bizarre sequence to end the half. Should have been 15 yards for roughing the kicker.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: dparrott on November 07, 2016, 08:23:03 PM
Yea I don't see how that was NOT roughing the K.  That needs to be explained tomorrow, NFL!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 07, 2016, 08:24:13 PM
I'm amazed they didn't call it that either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2016, 08:30:34 PM
Richard Sherman's true colors come out.  He can try to act all enlightened all he wants in interviews, but he's another dirty ass cheap shot artist.   Just like Talib  (who's on my Broncos, to demonstrate that I do not play favorites when it comes to crap like that).

I can't wait to hear the NFL excuse that one.  That might be the dirtiest hit I've seen all season.  And no flag.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Cool Chris on November 07, 2016, 09:48:18 PM
Phew. Unnecessarily close.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2016, 09:51:33 PM
Another Seattle MNF win greatly aided by the refs (had that penalty been called on Sherman, the Bills get a chip shot FG and then could have tied it at the end).  Lump this one in with the Fail Mary game against GB and the Detroit game last year.  :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 08, 2016, 12:03:47 AM
Fuck the Seahawks and fuck em hard. The NFL is just bowing to the whim of a fan base that'll show up in good numbers and buy tickets. Money talks 101.

Also, I'm a truly embittered Saints fan due to how no media is giving any attention whatsoever to my team even though they've won 4 out of their last 5. It's like everybody was suckin our dicks when we were that crippled also-ran Katrina city that miraculously won a Super Bowl but the nanosecond we stopped being glamorous it was business as usual the way they downplay any degree of attention we should get (yes, 4-4 is soso but teams that have crawled out of an early hole to right their ship usually get some love) and now it'd take a 14-2 season to even get any media outlets to acknowledge our team as even being an NFL franchise.

Matt Ryan's getting MVP nods while Drew Brees is getting ignored despite being on pace for more yards and TDs too. Fuck you media.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on November 08, 2016, 04:07:05 AM
Don't worry Josh, Seattle is coming to N.E. Sunday night. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on November 08, 2016, 05:28:01 PM
Post-Week 9 Power Rankings
1. New England - time to clown the Seahawks D again
2. Dallas - the clear best team in the NFC
3. Kansas City - another ugly win, but a win is a win
4. Atlanta - can their defense be good enough to make any kind of playoff run
5. Oakland - showed they are for real
6. Denver - o-line and run D continue to be a concern
7. Seattle - not nearly as good as their record, but it helps to have the officials playing the role of the 12th man at home games
8. Detroit - Jim Caldwell's blank stare sideline demeanor is easy to mock, but he has done a great job with Stafford
9. NY Giants - not sure they are really this good, but so many teams are faltering right now
10. Houston - you just sense they are going to blow that division

Trending Up:

Miami - the emergence of Ajayi has been huge
New Orleans - Brees is still playing out of his mind
Carolina - not too late to make a run

Trending Down:

Minnesota - this team was so good early on, and so bad now
Pittsburgh - should still win that bad division, but Tomlin is doing an awful job so far
Philadelphia - growing pains with a rookie head coach and QB

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr
2. Matt Ryan
3. Tom Brady
4. Dak Prescott
5. Matt Stafford

note: Brees will move way up the list if the Saints ever get over .500
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 09, 2016, 09:36:26 AM
Nice rankings Kev.   :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2016, 12:45:45 PM
Nice to see the Giants getting some Kev love, but I kind of agree. At one moment they look like a solid team and another they look like crap.  If they could find some consistency they could be legit a top 10 team, but they haven't found it yet and seem to have been able to get some luck in their wins.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 09, 2016, 08:23:47 PM
Nice rankings Kev.   :tup

 :tup :tup

Nice to see the Giants getting some Kev love, but I kind of agree. At one moment they look like a solid team and another they look like crap.  If they could find some consistency they could be legit a top 10 team, but they haven't found it yet and seem to have been able to get some luck in their wins.

It's crazy how many average teams there are in the NFL right now.  The Lions, Giants and Texans all look like average NFL squads, yet I had them at 8, 9 and 10, because there is so much mediocrity right now. 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 09, 2016, 08:31:38 PM
Kev, I truly cherish ever game that Brady is the QB and Belichick is the coach.  I was at games with Rd Rust as the coach and the Pats were 1-15.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 09, 2016, 08:49:53 PM
I about died laughing when I saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddCW5kqjaj8

"Seattle...Seattle.....Seattle.........Seattle."

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 09, 2016, 08:57:25 PM
Classic Bill.  I know own the writer asking while finishing while he was doing it.  Steve Buckley.   

Classic Bill controlling everything.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on November 09, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
That: Hilarious!

My feeling going in to this game Sunday night: Not hilarious.

Also not discussed here yet, are the Chargers done in SD? Do they go to LA now?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Stadler on November 10, 2016, 07:28:49 AM
I about died laughing when I saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddCW5kqjaj8

"Seattle...Seattle.....Seattle.........Seattle."

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin


I didn't follow you at first, but having wachted it...

"Are you happy or annoyed that Donald Trump read your letter?"
"Seattle."

I may steal that. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 10, 2016, 03:10:26 PM
Some other questions that they should've asked.

"Have you lived anywhere besides Massachusetts?"  "Seattle"
"Know of any good seafood places?"  "Seattle"
"Where are Boeing planes built?'  "Seattle"
"Where's the Space Needle?"  "Seattle"


See?  Now everyone's happy.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 10, 2016, 03:37:11 PM
Does Peyton Manning audible with.........
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 10, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
I may be biased... but the Ravens have AWESOME color rush unis. Nailed this silly concept for sure.

Let's hope they play as good as they're dressed. Cleveland's gonna get someone.. hope it ain't them!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 10, 2016, 04:36:16 PM
Sherman gets fined 9K for his cheap shot on the kicker the other day.  That's like giving me or you a 5 dollar fine for punching a stranger in the face on the street.

The MNF crew from the other night will receive no discipline for the way they botched the end of the first half.

It is getting harder and harder to take this league seriously.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 10, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
The body rots from the head Kev.


Now for some fun.  It will not disapoint.

https://youtu.be/YiszQmn951w
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 10, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
 :lol Did not disappoint.   :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: axeman90210 on November 10, 2016, 09:16:03 PM
Any video of Gronk that doesn't end with him getting hit by a train disappoints :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2016, 03:32:16 AM
Any video of Gronk that doesn't end with him getting hit by a train disappoints :tdwn

 :lol. Bill, he is the train.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2016, 06:22:46 AM
Any video of Gronk that doesn't end with him getting hit by a train disappoints :tdwn

 :lol. Bill, he is the train.

 :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Stadler on November 11, 2016, 07:06:53 AM
The body rots from the head Kev.


Now for some fun.  It will not disapoint.

https://youtu.be/YiszQmn951w

Jim Gillette isn't looking so good these days.  I was waiting for the 19 octave scream....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 13, 2016, 04:51:02 AM
To all the Seahawk haters.  Go ahead and give the Bills the 3 pts at the end of the first half. Seattle still would have won. Sherman went for the ball and not the kicker and the rule book sais there is no penalty for that. I'm sure you all didn't notice the obvious holding penalties by The Bills against Cliff Avril that never got called.. Oh, cough cough, what about the week before at the saints. The NFL issued an official apology to the Seahawks for some bogus calls that cost them the game. I hope the Seahawks whoop some Patriot arse, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't like the Pats, but they are dammn good! I would also like to see Dallas beat them in the super bowl..
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 06:52:26 AM
To all the Seahawk haters.  Go ahead and give the Bills the 3 pts at the end of the first half. Seattle still would have won. Sherman went for the ball and not the kicker and the rule book sais there is no penalty for that. I'm sure you all didn't notice the obvious holding penalties by The Bills against Cliff Avril that never got called.. Oh, cough cough, what about the week before at the saints. The NFL issued an official apology to the Seahawks for some bogus calls that cost them the game. I hope the Seahawks whoop some Patriot arse, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't like the Pats, but they are dammn good! I would also like to see Dallas beat them in the super bowl..

There is no way to know that.  All we know is that the Bills got screwed big time. 

Everybody, but some Seattle fans, knows that should have been a penalty on Sherman.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 13, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
To all the Seahawk haters.  Go ahead and give the Bills the 3 pts at the end of the first half. Seattle still would have won. Sherman went for the ball and not the kicker and the rule book sais there is no penalty for that. I'm sure you all didn't notice the obvious holding penalties by The Bills against Cliff Avril that never got called.. Oh, cough cough, what about the week before at the saints. The NFL issued an official apology to the Seahawks for some bogus calls that cost them the game. I hope the Seahawks whoop some Patriot arse, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't like the Pats, but they are dammn good! I would also like to see Dallas beat them in the super bowl..

There is no way to know that.  All we know is that the Bills got screwed big time. 

Everybody, but some Seattle fans, knows that should have been a penalty on Sherman.
I thought it should have been a penallty at first. After seeing the replay in slow-mo, it was clear Sherman got to the ball first. Its funny how people villify Sherman over this, even though it was the refs call.  Seattle is the most penalized team in the NFL, but you guys say the refs are on their side..whatever!!!  Yet so many are quick to defend the Patriots who have been known to cut corners, lol!  However, I do admit the Pats beat Seattle fair and square in Super bowl 49.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 09:16:37 AM
Seattle is the most penalized team in the league because they play reckless, forcing officials to throw flags on every play, and since officials do not want to do that, they get away with a lot.  Regarding the Sherman play, he threw himself at the kicker like he was doing a barrel roll with his body; nobody blocks a kick like that ever.  And he threw himself where the ball would not have been; the fact that he barely touched the ball was irrelevant.  It was a blown non-call, plain and simple.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: PowerSlave on November 13, 2016, 09:40:02 AM
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

At the time of this post Seattle is tied for 11th.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 09:59:22 AM
So many defend the Pats?  :lol. Only here in N.E. Architeuthis.  The rest of the 45 1/2 states (Connecticut is split) hates the Pats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 10:00:04 AM
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

At the time of this post Seattle is tied for 11th.

LOL, that's funny.  I took his word for granted that they were the most penalized team in the league.  My bad.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: DragonAttack on November 13, 2016, 10:01:39 AM
referring to the Belichick conference.....I can see this being used in other situations...

"What the hell were you doing out until 4AM!?!?!"
"Seattle."

"It was your night to get the kids after school."
"Seattle."

"Did you remember to pick up milk?"
"Seattle."

on to the Ravens Color Rush unis:  yup, they worked.  Wouldn't mind seeing the shirts 1-2x a year.  The pants:  those are what I've wanted ever since they started using those hideous all black nonstriped ones.  Makes them look like the Jags at first glance.  Use the pants occasionally on the road, as well as when they wear the black jerseys at home.  Minnesota can keep the purple socks. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 10:03:01 AM
Depending on the team, being in the top 10 in penalties isn't a bad thing.  Aggressive penalties are good. Dumb penalties like offsides, delay of game, 12 men on the field is bad.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 13, 2016, 10:48:08 AM
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

At the time of this post Seattle is tied for 11th.

LOL, that's funny.  I took his word for granted that they were the most penalized team in the league.  My bad.  :lol :lol
They have been the most penalized team in the past 3 years on the most part. I was just generally speaking. This year varies from week to week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: PowerSlave on November 13, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Tied for 9th last year, but it's true in 2014. However, Buffalo is currently 2nd this season. They were tied for first last season and the 2nd most penalized team in 2014. Those guys have some problems.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 13, 2016, 11:13:38 AM
Being that the Patriots are coming off a bye week and the Seahawks had a short week with travel, the Patriots will probably win. I sure hope Seattle proves me wrong! Go Hawks!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
What a crazy ending to the Denver/N.O. game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Being that the Patriots are coming off a bye week and the Seahawks had a short week with travel, the Patriots will probably win. I sure hope Seattle proves me wrong! Go Hawks!

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an upset tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
Tough to beat the Pats on a bye week and at home.  Plus Seattle on 6 days rest and traveling 3000 miles.  Also no Bennett.   A tough road to travel for the win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Tough to beat the Pats on a bye week and at home.  Plus Seattle on 6 days rest and traveling 3000 miles.  Also no Bennett.   A tough road to travel for the win.

Plus, you left your seed in Foxboro this week too! ;D


Right. I just have an uneasy feeling about this game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 02:40:16 PM
 :lol

Any time you play a high quality team you have those kinds of feelings.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Accelerando on November 13, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Time to hit the reset button on the Pack. I've been saying for a few seasons now they need to do away with Dom Capers. I've been giving McCarthy several chances. Both need to be booted. We need a strong defensive mind that doesn't give us weak zone coverages, and someone that can compliment Rodgers' improvisation and fun on the offense. This is not a fun Packers team anymore.

Now that the Vikings have lost again, the NFC North is one of the laughing stocks of the league.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 03:34:55 PM
What a crazy ending to the Denver/N.O. game.

Never in doubt. :biggrin:

Stupid Panthers, letting KC come back and beat them.  That INT Newton threw on the pick-6 was one of the worst throws I've seen all season.

Lots of changes needed in GB, starting with a new head coach.  They look like a team that has quit on their coach.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 04:10:34 PM
Yeah Kev, the Packers are just flat out not engaged.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 05:39:04 PM
Barring a Hail Mary, Tomlin just cost his team the game by going for 2 twice early in the game. Brilliant.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 13, 2016, 05:44:47 PM
Useless D wasted another fourth quarter comeback by Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 06:00:11 PM
Barring a Hail Mary, Tomlin just cost his team the game by going for 2 twice early in the game. Brilliant.

I was just talking about this. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 06:23:39 PM
Do tell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
We were at a birthday party for my godson and we were talking about its OK to go for 2 if you can get in the end zone but watching the 3 attemps showed us how poorly drawn up.

That's a coaching staff not putting your team in a position towin.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 13, 2016, 06:33:06 PM
 :censored the Jets.  :censored this season.  :censored football.  :censored. This was a very winnable game yet somehow they found a way to lose. They shouldn't even try anymore. With 7 loses before their bye, they have no chance of making the playoffs and should now be in evaluation mode. Playing Petty today was a start but they should give everyone on the roster a chance to play. See what guys can contribute and get rid of the rest. Play for a good draft pick and get what you need this spring. Other than that, this season is a waste and once again, being a Jets fan proves to be a painful existence.

Also...

Now that the Vikings have lost again, the NFC North is one of the laughing stocks of the league.

That division is the Lions to lose now (and I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to do so).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 06:35:14 PM
We were at a birthday party for my godson and we were talking about its OK to go for 2 if you can get in the end zone but watching the 3 attemps showed us how poorly drawn up.

That's a coaching staff not putting your team in a position towin.

All true.  I get being aggressive and going for 2 when your offense is cranking good, but Roethlisberger had just gotten back last week and played terrible, so it would have been smarter to let the offense get going a bit first.

Now that the Vikings have lost again, the NFC North is one of the laughing stocks of the league.

That division is the Lions to lose now (and I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to do so).

I'm shocked by the collapse of the Vikings.  Even more amazing, coming into the season, the D and running game were considered their strengths, with QB the big question mark, but Bradford has played fairly well lately, while the running game has been terrible and the D struggling.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 06:39:56 PM
Nice drive by the Pats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 06:41:06 PM
Poor Pete The Poodle. Watching Blount power it in from the 1. Gee, what a novel idea!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 07:18:58 PM
:lol

Any time you play a high quality team you have those kinds of feelings.

I just didn't like the karma around the Pats this week, while Seattle is coming on big time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
Offense needs to step up.  Can't leave the D on the field this long.

And a TD.  Damn.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 07:25:02 PM
Or maybe the D needs to make a stop. It goes both ways.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
When an offensive goes 3 and out twice you are tiring out the D.  It's not rocket science.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 07:28:51 PM
Or maybe the D needs to make a stop. It goes both ways.

The D has blown so far. It will be their Achilles Heel.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 07:30:31 PM
And Brady make a dumb interception.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 07:34:59 PM
And Brady make a dumb interception.
He was definitely throwing an interception tonight.

The Bruins are on! ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
Nope. Big sack by Nincompoop !!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 08:00:48 PM
Are you fucking kidding me?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 13, 2016, 08:02:23 PM
That was a good one.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 08:03:02 PM
Are you fucking kidding me?

Dude, you could've caught that ball!

And Seattle receives in the second half, right?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 08:05:43 PM
Yup.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 08:30:37 PM
Classic battle between 2 great teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 08:35:04 PM
For those watching the broadcast, the guy sitting next to Mark Wahlburg was Bill Evans, Boston's Chief Of Police.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Logan Ryan blows!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2016, 08:37:02 PM
I just saw him on the Roast Of the Boston police by Jeff Ross on Comedy Central.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
NE runs into the pile at the 1 earlier and the officials couldn't call it a TD quick enough.

Seattle just does the same thing, and despite video evidence that he scored, it's not a TD.

 :lol :lol :lol

Then again, Seattle has gotten more than their share of bad calls going their way this season, so it's about time they got the shaft.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on November 13, 2016, 09:43:27 PM
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T RUN THE BALL FROM THE 1 YARD LINE AT THE END OF THE GAME!  :corn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 13, 2016, 11:37:21 PM
Seattle won this one fair and square!  I'm sure Pats fans will make excuses..   :xbones :yarr
No matter what, Seattle earned this win!  Btw, Dallas cowboys rocked it too!! Great football day in the NFC!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 14, 2016, 04:00:17 AM
Excuses?  Nice try.  Pats were beat by a team with 6 days to get ready that traveled 3000 miles.  They were outplayed.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 14, 2016, 04:16:57 AM
Excuses?  Nice try.  Pats were beat by a team with 6 days to get ready that traveled 3000 miles.  They were outplayed.
:tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 14, 2016, 05:18:02 AM
For a neutral fan, that Pit-Dal game was an awesome watch. 7 lead changes and two of the best sets of triplets showing off their mad skills.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Stadler on November 14, 2016, 07:42:20 AM
NE runs into the pile at the 1 earlier and the officials couldn't call it a TD quick enough.

Seattle just does the same thing, and despite video evidence that he scored, it's not a TD.

 :lol :lol :lol

Then again, Seattle has gotten more than their share of bad calls going their way this season, so it's about time they got the shaft.

Well, you'll certainly take that mauling of Gronk at the end, though, no? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 14, 2016, 07:45:10 AM
I wish they'd let more go.  The problem with this game was they called ticky tack fouls the whole game but in the end they let it go.  So be consistent.  Call it or let it go.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 14, 2016, 07:48:42 AM
For a neutral fan, that Pit-Dal game was an awesome watch. 7 lead changes and two of the best sets of triplets showing off their mad skills.

I didn't get to see the game, but I'm sure NFL Network will do a replay.  Analysts were calling it the best game of the season so far.   :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: dparrott on November 14, 2016, 07:53:56 AM
SEAHAAAAAAAWKS!!! WHOOOO!!! MIGHTY GOLIATH GOES DOWN!   :o :metal

This makes the Raiders tied for the best record in the AFC! 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 14, 2016, 08:15:43 AM
Yeah, I was pleased to see NE lose at home again.  Very uncharacteristic of them to have their only 2 losses of the year at home.  Of course, it was near complete vindication for the Hawks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2016, 06:20:06 PM
Yeah, I was pleased to see NE lose at home again.  Very uncharacteristic of them to have their only 2 losses of the year at home.  Of course, it was near complete vindication for the Hawks.

Too bad they don't get a ring for it. :lol :biggrin:


Well, you'll certainly take that mauling of Gronk at the end, though, no?

Do you mean the play where Gronk initiated contact and the defender fell down because Gronk had more momentum and 40 lbs on him? :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: orcus116 on November 14, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
Damn, that was a dominant first drive.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: orcus116 on November 14, 2016, 06:42:59 PM
And then the D gives it back. Wonderful.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Stadler on November 15, 2016, 07:29:45 AM
Yeah, I was pleased to see NE lose at home again.  Very uncharacteristic of them to have their only 2 losses of the year at home.  Of course, it was near complete vindication for the Hawks.

Not really; I'll take one Super Bowl win over ten regular season, out of division, out of CONFERENCE losses.  It might be some vindication for Pete Carroll, I'll give you that, but if that's all it takes to make the Seahawks feel good about themselves, well, that explains a lot to me. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Stadler on November 15, 2016, 07:30:48 AM

Do you mean the play where Gronk initiated contact and the defender fell down because Gronk had more momentum and 40 lbs on him? :P

No, no, the other play, at the very end, where the DB held his hands down and then pulled him to the ground.  :)   :tup  :metal :yarr
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: pogoowner on November 15, 2016, 08:46:55 AM

Do you mean the play where Gronk initiated contact and the defender fell down because Gronk had more momentum and 40 lbs on him? :P

No, no, the other play, at the very end, where the DB held his hands down and then pulled him to the ground.  :)   :tup  :metal :yarr
Like they said in the broadcast, there was a lot of contact from both sides on that one, and I find it very hard to choose OPI or DPI over the other.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 15, 2016, 12:05:12 PM
Yeah, I was pleased to see NE lose at home again.  Very uncharacteristic of them to have their only 2 losses of the year at home.  Of course, it was near complete vindication for the Hawks.

Not really; I'll take one Super Bowl win over ten regular season, out of division, out of CONFERENCE losses.  It might be some vindication for Pete Carroll, I'll give you that, but if that's all it takes to make the Seahawks feel good about themselves, well, that explains a lot to me.
It was a good win for the Seahawks, but I guarantee you they aren't satisfied. They would much prefer a SB win over the Pats. Those two teams could be legit contenders this year. Lets not forget about Dallas either..
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Stadler on November 15, 2016, 12:32:02 PM

Do you mean the play where Gronk initiated contact and the defender fell down because Gronk had more momentum and 40 lbs on him? :P

No, no, the other play, at the very end, where the DB held his hands down and then pulled him to the ground.  :)   :tup  :metal :yarr
Like they said in the broadcast, there was a lot of contact from both sides on that one, and I find it very hard to choose OPI or DPI over the other.

I'm busting Kev's balls a little bit, but this is where I really fall. It's a good no call there.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 15, 2016, 12:49:10 PM
Yeah, I was pleased to see NE lose at home again.  Very uncharacteristic of them to have their only 2 losses of the year at home.  Of course, it was near complete vindication for the Hawks.

Not really; I'll take one Super Bowl win over ten regular season, out of division, out of CONFERENCE losses.  It might be some vindication for Pete Carroll, I'll give you that, but if that's all it takes to make the Seahawks feel good about themselves, well, that explains a lot to me.

Yeah, I know what you mean but it is more or less as much vindication (or a better word, "redemption") as you can get in a regular season win on the road.  Obviously not as much as a SB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2016, 06:17:28 PM
Post-Week 10 Power Rankings
1. Dallas - hard to believe that they have two rookies who are both legit MVP candidates
2. New England - defense is definitely becoming a concern
3. Kansas City - all they do is win, one way or another
4. Seattle - Russell Wilson looked healthy and lethal again...uh oh
5. Oakland - should be interesting to see what this team does down the stretch
6. Denver - 7-3 and getting some of their key defensive guys back very soon
7. Atlanta - they have 10-6 and maybe one playoff win written all over them
8. NY Giants - not sold on them, but 6-3 is 6-3
9. Houston - still the worst 6-3 team ever
10. Detroit - can they take advantage of a weak division?

Trending Up:

Miami - looking like they could contend for a playoff spot
Tennessee - Mariotta is quietly living up to the pressure and becoming a really good QB
Washington - I thought they'd fall back this year, but have rebounded nicely after an 0-2 start

Trending Down:

Minnesota - totally in free fall now
Pittsburgh - this team is a mess
Green Bay - this team is a bigger mess

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr
2. Dak Prescott
3. Tom Brady
4. Ezekiel Elliot
5. Matt Ryan
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2016, 06:19:02 PM
The D certainly is Kev.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 16, 2016, 05:19:39 AM
Going all in on the Ravens upsetting the Cowboys. Should be fun!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: RoeDent on November 16, 2016, 05:43:58 AM
I was watching the BBC's NFL highlights programme earlier. Wow, the Dallas Cowboys are amazing this year! 8 wins on the bounce, and with rookies as well! Also, is it Pittsburgh's thing this year to go for 2 after every touchdown? Logic behind that? (Apart from more points if it's successful. If that's the logic, surely every team should go for 2 all the time.)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 16, 2016, 08:07:39 AM
Well, I'm not sure why Pitt went for 2 after the first score.  That's just Tomlin mixing it up I guess.  However, when they failed the first time, that kind of set them up to keep trying in the 4th Qtr because of the point differential.  That caused Dallas to go for 2 a couple times in the 4th Qtr also.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: PowerSlave on November 16, 2016, 08:09:10 AM
Also, is it Pittsburgh's thing this year to go for 2 after every touchdown? Logic behind that? (Apart from more points if it's successful. If that's the logic, surely every team should go for 2 all the time.)

They had only done it two times prior to that this season and were successful both times. The team is usually very good in recent years at those situations, but this season has proven to very inconsistent in all aspects of the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 16, 2016, 08:25:06 AM
Green Bay - this team is a bigger mess

I was watching NFL Total Access last night.  Eric Davis and some other guy (can't remember his name) posed the question:  Is GB closer to the Cowboys or the Browns?  Davis said, "well, the Browns are where football goes to die."  :lol  On the other hand, GB's defense has given up more points than the Browns.  It's funny the kinds of discussions these guys come up with.  As far as overall stats go, they're probably closer to the Browns.  Definitely an unexpected mess.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 16, 2016, 10:28:35 AM
I was watching the BBC's NFL highlights programme earlier. Wow, the Dallas Cowboys are amazing this year! 8 wins on the bounce, and with rookies as well! Also, is it Pittsburgh's thing this year to go for 2 after every touchdown? Logic behind that? (Apart from more points if it's successful. If that's the logic, surely every team should go for 2 all the time.)

They set an NFL record last year by converting 8 of 11 2-pt attempts.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 16, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
I was watching the BBC's NFL highlights programme earlier. Wow, the Dallas Cowboys are amazing this year! 8 wins on the bounce, and with rookies as well! Also, is it Pittsburgh's thing this year to go for 2 after every touchdown? Logic behind that? (Apart from more points if it's successful. If that's the logic, surely every team should go for 2 all the time.)
The logic is that statistics favor the 2pt conversion in the long haul (albeit by a tiny margin). Attempt 100 extra points and you'll make 94.7 of them for the same number of points. Attempt 100 2ptCs and you'll make 47.8 of them for 95.6 points. The problem with that is with the generally small number of attempts per game, failing half of your 2PCs hurts you more than the very slim chance of a missed XP.

Neil Reynolds still covering football over there? Likeable chap and pretty insightful. Nobody streams SKY Sports over here anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: RoeDent on November 17, 2016, 03:20:10 PM
Neil Reynolds still covering football over there? Likeable chap and pretty insightful. Nobody streams SKY Sports over here anymore.

I don't have Sky myself, but I believe he does, yes. In fact, this year there's been more NFL coverage on free-to-air TV and radio over here than ever before, which is fantastic and vital for the growth of the sport over here. Two shows per week on BBC TV, a live radio commentary (of a 4pm ET game), a 2-hour show on a non-BBC station.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 17, 2016, 07:55:48 PM
Kuechly slowed down and turned in on that block return so he could stiff-arm the punter in the face. I thought that was a dick move.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 18, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
Kuechly is a dick, but he got what was coming to him.  He's in concussion protocol right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 18, 2016, 12:02:26 PM
Fun fact: if Roethlisberger starts and wins Sunday in Cleveland, he will be the winningest QB in THEIR home stadium.  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 18, 2016, 12:33:22 PM
By the way, I think Romo is being disrespected. If this had happened to Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Flacco, Newton, Wilson etc they would get their job back no matter how well the rookie was playing. Romo is better than some of the guys I listed, but he has that unfair "choker" label, so . . .
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 18, 2016, 12:43:12 PM
By the way, I think Romo is being disrespected. If this had happened to Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Flacco, Newton, Wilson etc they would get their job back no matter how well the rookie was playing. Romo is better than some of the guys I listed, but he has that unfair "choker" label, so . . .

Respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: pogoowner on November 18, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
I think Romo is one of the most criminally underrated quarterbacks in the history of the league. But at this point I understand the Cowboys' decision (and earlier in the season I was arguing otherwise). I'd love to see him go somewhere else and beat them next year, though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 18, 2016, 12:47:03 PM
Just for this year you can't stop the momentum that they team has with Dax.  That said, Tony's penchant for getting injured outweighs his talent right now for Dallas.  Someone will scoop him up next year via trade.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 18, 2016, 01:02:39 PM
True.  Don't try to fix what isn't broken for the sake of loyalty.  Romo knows as well as anybody that the NFL is a business.  Ask Drew Bledsoe.  It happened to him twice (Brady, Romo).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 18, 2016, 02:22:54 PM
By the way, I think Romo is being disrespected. If this had happened to Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Flacco, Newton, Wilson etc they would get their job back no matter how well the rookie was playing. Romo is better than some of the guys I listed, but he has that unfair "choker" label, so . . .

Respectfully disagree.

Which part? Just curious.

DOC, your post reminded me to mention that I have new-found respect for Suggs. There was a play in the Bal-Pit game where he could have absolutely destroyed Ben with a legal hit, but pulled up. If you see interviews with Suggs it's obvious he has mad respect for Ben which might be why he held up. Either way if Pit doesn't win the North I'd much rather Bal win than Cin.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 18, 2016, 03:08:15 PM
By the way, I think Romo is being disrespected. If this had happened to Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Flacco, Newton, Wilson etc they would get their job back no matter how well the rookie was playing. Romo is better than some of the guys I listed, but he has that unfair "choker" label, so . . .
Brady is the single best example of why the premise is mistaken. He's Dak to Bledsoe's Romo.


I think I said earlier that there are arguments either way with Romo. I wouldn't want to break their momentum, and Dak is clearly the future of the Cowboys. What Romo has that Dak has yet to develop is an explosiveness. Dak has played very, very well but in more of a conservative manner. He's not yet at the point where you think he might throw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns. As good as he's been he only has one 300 yard game thus far. When Romo is healthy he has that ability. I think Dak is the better options for many reasons, but I can see how some people might favor Romo's immediate upside.

That said, nowhere is Romo more underrated than here in Dallas. If they were to yank the young star QB for Romo you'd hear the lynch mob chanting all the way in Baltimore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 18, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
The difference from the Bledsoe situation was that Drew was not playing well at Lloyd and it was getting to the point that BB was going to pull the plug on Bledsoe buy the injury accelerated the change. 

Romo was playing at a high level but he just can't stay on the field.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 19, 2016, 01:15:45 PM
By the way, I think Romo is being disrespected. If this had happened to Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Flacco, Newton, Wilson etc they would get their job back no matter how well the rookie was playing. Romo is better than some of the guys I listed, but he has that unfair "choker" label, so . . .
Brady is the single best example of why the premise is mistaken. He's Dak to Bledsoe's Romo.


I think I said earlier that there are arguments either way with Romo. I wouldn't want to break their momentum, and Dak is clearly the future of the Cowboys. What Romo has that Dak has yet to develop is an explosiveness. Dak has played very, very well but in more of a conservative manner. He's not yet at the point where you think he might throw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns. As good as he's been he only has one 300 yard game thus far. When Romo is healthy he has that ability. I think Dak is the better options for many reasons, but I can see how some people might favor Romo's immediate upside.

That said, nowhere is Romo more underrated than here in Dallas. If they were to yank the young star QB for Romo you'd hear the lynch mob chanting all the way in Baltimore.

I think the biggest reason Dak hasn't been explosive is because the running game is already explosive with Zeke.  However, that will probably open up more opportunities for Dak in the future, but for now the balance is working.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2016, 01:39:37 PM
Prescott can throw it down field - see: the long TD to Bryant last week - but there is no need for that.  Their ball control offense works so well because a) their line is so dominant, b) they have guys like Witten and Beasley who are money on 3rd and short, and c) it keeps their defense, which is vulnerable, off the field.  Romo could be just as good running this offense, but he can't stay healthy anymore, and like has been said, you don't mess with it when you have something this special going on.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2016, 01:04:18 PM
Announcers just said 8 extra points have been missed today so far, 3 in the Giants Bears game alone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: orcus116 on November 20, 2016, 01:10:35 PM
Unbelievable but I guess it adds an interesting dimension to the game since the PAT isn't a gimmie anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 20, 2016, 02:41:11 PM
NE and Seattle just missed PATs, as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: RoeDent on November 20, 2016, 02:47:51 PM
Apparently the first time since 1985 that we've had 10 missed PAT attempts, and we still have 5 games left to be completed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 20, 2016, 02:50:38 PM
Well the league is getting its moneys worth with that rule.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 20, 2016, 03:47:26 PM
Agholor is terrible.  He had a procedural penalty which wiped out a long Philly TD, and now just dropped a pass when he was wide open 20 yards down field.  He sucks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 20, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
It's time to look at BB the GM who has screwed this Patriots Defense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 20, 2016, 04:38:34 PM
Awesome play, as Russell Wilson catches a touchdown.  '

With Wilson healthy now, the Seahawks look like a team that might not lose again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 20, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
Been awhile since we've seen a play like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on November 20, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
With Wilson healthy now, the Seahawks look like a team that might not lose again.

That W against NE last week will be a game we look back at come January. Most of us had it as an L when looking at the schedule. If we go 3-3 the rest of the way (which looks very achievable) we'd lock up at least a #2 seed, (assuming DET/ATL/NYG don't catch fire) which we would be more than happy with.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2016, 05:25:04 PM
The Giants squeek by with another close win.  This team has lots of talent and I can't complain about the record, but they really haven't come close to "putting it together".  Luckily they have a not so difficult schedule and are in good position to score a wild card spot, but I feel if they don't start clicking then they are out in the first round (if they even make it). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 20, 2016, 05:26:09 PM
I think Seattle will get the 2 seed easily; I don't see the North or South winner catching them. 

Also, LOL at the Rams.  Jeff Fisher's teams never fail to let us down.  Blowing a double digit in the last three minutes to Ryan freaking Tannehill. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 20, 2016, 05:42:13 PM
TO TANNEHILL!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 20, 2016, 09:40:46 PM
So do the Redskins just pay bums and winos to play in that band when they score? Is it some sort of tradition that they all play off key and off time? Do they get one free beer for every point scored? That shit's not normal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: PowerSlave on November 20, 2016, 09:58:32 PM
So do the Redskins just pay bums and winos to play in that band when they score?

Congressional Interns. It's Washington D.C., they've got to get paid somehow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Accelerando on November 20, 2016, 10:18:35 PM
Packers D  was playing the Mannequin Challenge tonight. Capers needs to be fired TONIGHT when they get off that plane in Wisconsin. That was the worst defensive play i've seen from them all year, and I feel like it's going to get worse.

Don't worry. We're gonna get the "We didn't execute, we had lots of opportunities, I'd like to have that one back" press conference from McCarthy. Fire his ass too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: pogoowner on November 20, 2016, 10:46:32 PM
We'll see in the offseason. They're not the type of organization that's going to blow things up during the season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 21, 2016, 07:13:32 AM
Kuechly is a dick, but he got what was coming to him.
The fuck?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 21, 2016, 07:17:12 AM
Kuechly is a dick, but he got what was coming to him.
The fuck?

Yeah, no one deserves that.  Holy crap the look on his face was scary as all hell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 21, 2016, 07:19:22 AM
Also, he's not a dick.

There are plenty of dicks in the NFL, but Kuechly isn't one of them.  He has a sterling reputation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 21, 2016, 07:23:59 AM
I meant that too.  I've never seen or read a bad thing about him including his time at BC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 21, 2016, 08:30:12 AM
I still maintain that he went well out of his way to shove Morestead to the ground by his face. That said, I've seen no other reports of him being a dick or a dirty player.

And his reaction was interesting. Had nothing to do with pain, but rather that he knew he wasn't going to playing for a bit and thus letting his team down. I assumed he blew his knee out and knew from experience how that would play out. I guess in this instance he just knew he was well-concussed and that it was a potential major deal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 21, 2016, 08:35:03 AM
I also initially thought it was a knee injury.

He missed several games last year with a concussion, so he certainly knows how big a deal it is.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Architeuthis on November 21, 2016, 10:28:56 AM
The way things are shaping up right now, I could almost see a Dallas/ Seattle match-up in the NFC championship.. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 21, 2016, 11:11:43 AM
Kuechly is a dick, but he got what was coming to him.
The fuck?

Yeah, no one deserves that.  Holy crap the look on his face was scary as all hell.

Every player knows that football is a dangerous sport.  Concussions are a part of the game.  If a player goes out of his way to slam another player to the ground, then maybe it was bad karma.  That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 21, 2016, 12:03:56 PM
The way things are shaping up right now, I could almost see a Dallas/ Seattle match-up in the NFC championship..

Way to go out on a limb.  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 21, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 21, 2016, 12:37:47 PM
Kuechly is a dick, but he got what was coming to him.
The fuck?

Yeah, no one deserves that.  Holy crap the look on his face was scary as all hell.

Every player knows that football is a dangerous sport.  Concussions are a part of the game.  If a player goes out of his way to slam another player to the ground, then maybe it was bad karma.  That's all I'm saying.
I still haven't seen the alleged "slam".  EB mentioned it was on a block return, and the only block return I saw in Thursday night's game was a blocked FB, and I didn't see LK stiff arm anybody on that play - he didn't need to, he had a wall of blockers because he was returning the ball.

Link?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 21, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
That was an offensive show Cousins and Rodgers put on last night.  Fun to watch.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 21, 2016, 08:11:53 PM
Kuechly is a dick, but he got what was coming to him.
The fuck?

Yeah, no one deserves that.  Holy crap the look on his face was scary as all hell.

Every player knows that football is a dangerous sport.  Concussions are a part of the game.  If a player goes out of his way to slam another player to the ground, then maybe it was bad karma.  That's all I'm saying.
I still haven't seen the alleged "slam".  EB mentioned it was on a block return, and the only block return I saw in Thursday night's game was a blocked FB, and I didn't see LK stiff arm anybody on that play - he didn't need to, he had a wall of blockers because he was returning the ball.

Link?
It wasn't a slam. He just slowed down and cut inside a bit to stiff-arm the punter to the face which shoved him down (where he stayed for a bit). However, since there was a question as to whether or not LK stepped out of bounds, all of the replays focus on that. If it had happened at the 5 it wouldn't have bugged me, but it looked like he slowed down so he could still catch him in the field of play and hit him just as they crossed the goal line. Not a huge deal, honestly, but seemed somewhat dickish to me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 21, 2016, 09:26:31 PM
Man, them Mexicans be crazy. Not only are they shining lasers at players, there's a pretty good fire burning over one of the endzones. Looks to be about 20 rows back.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 21, 2016, 09:33:03 PM
Texans just got totally jobbed on two spots, and even after a review, where it was obvious that Houston got the 1st down on a 4th and inches, they still say he was short.  Officials should lose their jobs over calls like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on November 22, 2016, 04:33:27 PM
Post-Week 11 Power Rankings
1. Dallas - Good, tough win over a game Ravens team
2. Seattle - looking like a scary team to play again
3. New England - ugly win, but no one ever accused Belichick teams of winning pretty on a regular basis
4. Oakland - lucky win, but those kind of wins are often the difference between being 10-6 and 12-4
5. Denver - can the D dominate again?
6. Kansas City - awful loss at home to the Bucs
7. Atlanta - with four of their last six at home, that division is theirs for the taking
8. NY Giants - does this team worry anyone?
9. Washington - offense looks great
10. Houston - despite the officiating screw job, that was such a typical Texans performance: lose a game they should have won

Trending Up:

Miami - still not sure if I am buying them, but five in a row is something to take notice of
Tampa Bay - quietly one game behind Atlanta
Indianapolis - suddenly only one game back in their division, but Luck being unlikely to play Thursday will hurt

Trending Down:

Green Bay - injuries or not, that defense is really bad
Los Angeles - 7-9 is suddenly in danger :lol
Cincinnati - 3-6-1 and just lost Bernard and AJ Green...game over

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr
2. Dak Prescott
3. Tom Brady
4. Ezekiel Elliot
5. Matt Ryan
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on November 22, 2016, 05:03:55 PM
Los Angeles - 7-9

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Rattlehead on November 23, 2016, 08:18:40 AM
Texans just got totally jobbed on two spots, and even after a review, where it was obvious that Houston got the 1st down on a 4th and inches, they still say he was short.  Officials should lose their jobs over calls like that.

That was so awful that I stopped watching the game once Houston lost the challenge. The spot after the 3rd down run by Lamar Miller was probably the worst spot I've ever seen in any football game. The officiating is getting so terrible that I am starting to lose interest in the NFL  :facepalm: I just wish Bill O'Brien had challenged the Miller spot, but I'm sure the refs wouldn't have given them that one either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Samsara on November 23, 2016, 08:49:57 AM
As a diehard New York JETS fan, all I can say is, when does baseball season start?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 23, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
As a diehard New York JETS fan, all I can say is, when does baseball season start?  :facepalm:

A 3rd Jets fan I can have fun with.   :lol

Pats fan.  I had season tickets from 1985 to 2012.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Samsara on November 23, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
As a diehard New York JETS fan, all I can say is, when does baseball season start?  :facepalm:

A 3rd Jets fan I can have fun with.   :lol

Pats fan.  I had season tickets from 1985 to 2012.

Gah...   :rollin

Just take the W already this week. No need for the teams to actually play...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 23, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
Well our defense is not playing well.  I'm looking playoffs of course but without balance from both side of the ball some team will beat you in the playoff.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 23, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
As a diehard New York JETS fan, all I can say is, when does baseball season start?  :facepalm:

A 3rd Jets fan I can have fun with.   :lol

Pats fan.  I had season tickets from 1985 to 2012.

Gah...   :rollin

Just take the W already this week. No need for the teams to actually play...

I may not even watch this week. The beating that's gonna be handed to the Jets is gonna be brutal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Samsara on November 23, 2016, 06:53:12 PM
As a diehard New York JETS fan, all I can say is, when does baseball season start?  :facepalm:

A 3rd Jets fan I can have fun with.   :lol

Pats fan.  I had season tickets from 1985 to 2012.

Gah...   :rollin

Just take the W already this week. No need for the teams to actually play...

I may not even watch this week. The beating that's gonna be handed to the Jets is gonna be brutal.

The over-under on Fitz INTs is 3.  :rollin  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: dparrott on November 24, 2016, 10:57:54 AM
Lynch on Conan!  :lol

https://youtu.be/edamnPJRCpA
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 24, 2016, 12:20:20 PM
Lynch on Conan!  :lol

https://youtu.be/edamnPJRCpA
I like that after years of being deemed shy, introverted or just generally anti-social while playing, he's actually a pretty funny and outgoing guy. Dude just really didn't want to be a spokesman for the NFL, and I commend him for it. Maybe when he retires Bill Belichick will go on to be a hugely successful talk show host.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 24, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
Oh, and while the refs clearly screwed up by not seeing an obvious tipped ball on the interference call, didn't they screw up again by reviewing the play to fix their mistake? I thought PI calls were strictly non-reviewable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 24, 2016, 04:06:49 PM
If the ball is tipped, it becomes reviewable if I'm not mistaken.  The PI call itself is not reviewable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 24, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
Also, Josh Norman can't cover Dez Bryant.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 24, 2016, 07:25:57 PM
Ben to Brown for 2 TDs already. Who'd a thunk it?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 24, 2016, 08:36:09 PM
Considering it's Thanksgiving night, isn't Tomlin about due to try and trip the kick returner for the other team?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 24, 2016, 09:12:59 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 25, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
Considering it's Thanksgiving night, isn't Tomlin about due to try and trip the kick returner for the other team?

Yup. Sadly the biggest contribution Tomlin has made toward a winning effort.  :-[
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 25, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
And they didn't even win that game against the Ravens a few years ago despite Tomlin's shadiness.  :lol

I see Josh Norman is being a raging d-bag again.  His defense gets torched for 31 points and they lose, and his response his, "Yeah, but Dez didn't score a touchdown." :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on November 25, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
Douche on Douche crime.  Then add the Twitter stuff.  That's TMZ, The National Enquirer & The Kardashian TV show all rolled into one for men. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: dparrott on November 25, 2016, 11:50:42 AM
If it's a Seahawks/Raiders super bowl, my head will burst with excitement.  It's a long shot, but the way both teams are playing, it's still a possibility. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 25, 2016, 02:02:57 PM
Douche on Douche crime. Then add the Twitter stuff.  That's TMZ, The National Enquirer & The Kardashian TV show all rolled into one for men. :lol

 :lol :lol

If it's a Seahawks/Raiders super bowl, my head will burst with excitement.  It's a long shot, but the way both teams are playing, it's still a possibility.

The Raiders are obviously much improved, and having a QB like Carr helps a ton, but their defense needs to get a lot better. They are probably looking at 11-5, given their schedule down the stretch, and winning the division is by no means a guarantee.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: pogoowner on November 25, 2016, 08:13:11 PM
If it's a Seahawks/Raiders super bowl, my head will burst with excitement.  It's a long shot, but the way both teams are playing, it's still a possibility. 
An old AFC West showdown would certainly be interesting, just from a historical perspective.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on November 27, 2016, 05:19:10 PM
So, wife was hogging the TV to watch the Sounders advance to the MLS Cup Woohoo so how did the Seahawks lose to the Bucs, and by a score of 14-5?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
So, wife was hogging the TV to watch the Sounders advance to the MLS Cup Woohoo so how did the Seahawks lose to the Bucs, and by a score of 14-5?

Their offensive line stinks.

Mike Evans made them his bitch early on, putting them in a 14-0 hole they could never climb out of.

Meanwhile, this Panthers/Raiders game is fun. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: faizoff on November 27, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
I was at the Seahawks - Bucs game, what an awesome atmosphere and great first full game of the season to watch for me lol. I think everytime the Seattle offense got into a rhythm they made mistakes and it cost them the game. It's like they lost concentration at the right time. Either way the Bucs team still made a ton of mistakes and they could've easily lost that game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on November 27, 2016, 07:43:38 PM
Hilarious how often the punter takes a bad route toward the punt returner.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 27, 2016, 09:25:33 PM
Siemian = CLUTCH.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 27, 2016, 10:14:47 PM
Unbelievable game!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 27, 2016, 10:23:15 PM
I'm a big Kubiak fan, but I disagree with attempting that FG.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 27, 2016, 10:24:16 PM
Certainly has a lot of faith in his D.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 27, 2016, 10:25:22 PM
Not sure why, considering they've gagged the game away twice. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 27, 2016, 10:26:32 PM
Agreed, and it burned him here as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 27, 2016, 10:28:56 PM
Christ. Only fitting that this game ends on a game winner doinking through the goalposts. Bad call from Kubiak but an otherwise fantastic game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 28, 2016, 03:29:57 AM
Christ. Only fitting that this game ends on a game winner doinking through the goalposts. Bad call from Kubiak but an otherwise fantastic game.

I disagree about it being a bad call. With the thin air in Denver, that kick was far from impossible. And even if he did miss it (which of course is what happened), the Broncos have a strong enough defense for him to have faith in them to hold onto the victory. Why accept a tie when you can go for the win?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 28, 2016, 07:09:06 AM
Because he only had about a 5% chance for that win, and a tie you can count on is better than a loss you can avoid.

Also, the Panthers showed a lot of heart in the second half, but I guess they just played too much like ass in the first half to fully overcome.  Gnarly finger dislocation for Carr, but he came back to lead his team to victory, so kudos.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on November 28, 2016, 08:52:51 AM
Not only that, but Denver's D was gassed. The way they played the first half you consider trying that kick. After the second half and subsequent OT you don't give KC a short field. Add to that, splitting a game with a division rival isn't such an awful thing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Hyperplex on November 28, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
Might we be seeing the death of Thursday Night Football? And might we actually see a good decision from the NFL? Possibly...

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-reportedly-considering-pulling-the-plug-on-thursday-night-football-112816
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 28, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Might we be seeing the death of Thursday Night Football? And might we actually see a good decision from the NFL? Possibly...

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-reportedly-considering-pulling-the-plug-on-thursday-night-football-112816

It's weird because it's hard to vote against more accessible NFL games, but the Thursday night games are for the most part, uninteresting or bad and the impact on the teams is negative (less time to prepare).  I actually think it's a good decision for the league overall.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 28, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
Might we be seeing the death of Thursday Night Football? And might we actually see a good decision from the NFL? Possibly...

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-reportedly-considering-pulling-the-plug-on-thursday-night-football-112816

It's weird because it's hard to vote against more accessible NFL games, but the Thursday night games are for the most part, uninteresting or bad and the impact on the teams is negative (less time to prepare).  I actually think it's a good decision for the league overall.

Not hard for me, I think the NFL would be doing itself a favor to throw out the Thursday evening game. Like we have discussed previously in this thread, I think the NFL may have reached the over saturation point and making football games all on Sunday and Monday night would help with that, IMO.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 28, 2016, 12:07:28 PM
The Thursday games have never been a good idea, with the exception of Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Hyperplex on November 28, 2016, 12:10:46 PM
TNF has never been appealing to me. Maybe it's just the mental habit of Sunday and Monday being NFL days or perhaps it's the aforementioned short week/poor performance situation. I also can't stand the Color Rush bullshit, so if this does in fact ring in the death knell of TNF, I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 28, 2016, 03:32:28 PM
Well, as mentioned previously in this thread, TNF isn't going away any time soon....and with Dallas playing in Minnesota this Thursday, the ratings will probably be the highest they've been all season.  Color rush never bothered me at all.  It's football FFS.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 28, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Well, as mentioned previously in this thread, TNF isn't going away any time soon....and with Dallas playing in Minnesota this Thursday, the ratings will probably be the highest they've been all season.  Color rush never bothered me at all.  It's football FFS.

The article stated 2017 was the last year of the contract so that could be the end.  But you are right about this week's game.  Dallas has been featured in 4 of the 5 highest rated games this year including this past thursday's Dallas game that was the highest rated regular season game EVER on Fox.  https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/25/13748024/dallas-cowboys-washington-thanksgiving-tv-ratings-fox-viewers-record (https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/25/13748024/dallas-cowboys-washington-thanksgiving-tv-ratings-fox-viewers-record)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 28, 2016, 05:42:26 PM
Not only that, but Denver's D was gassed. The way they played the first half you consider trying that kick. After the second half and subsequent OT you don't give KC a short field. Add to that, splitting a game with a division rival isn't such an awful thing.

I think Kubiak got it in his head that they needed this win to be able to win the division, which he was probably right about. I think if the Chiefs and they were fighting for 1st, with the Raiders and Chiefs both under .500, he punts it and settles for the tie.  But hey, Kubiak's decision took the heat off the defense, which lost the game for them at the end of regulation and OT.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on November 28, 2016, 08:39:11 PM
Doug Pederson just used his last challenge of the game in the 3rd quarter on overturning a 2-yard pass on 1st down. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Hyperplex on November 29, 2016, 01:22:35 PM
Interesting: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/29/ravens-propose-a-bonus-point-for-kickoffs-through-the-uprights/

On the face this seems silly to me, but it appears to have more underlying positives to it, according to this article. I certainly don't expect to ever see this happen.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 29, 2016, 02:01:44 PM
Interesting: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/29/ravens-propose-a-bonus-point-for-kickoffs-through-the-uprights/

On the face this seems silly to me, but it appears to have more underlying positives to it, according to this article. I certainly don't expect to ever see this happen.
Better idea than color rush uniforms or games in Mexico City.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Rattlehead on November 29, 2016, 06:48:30 PM
Well, as mentioned previously in this thread, TNF isn't going away any time soon....and with Dallas playing in Minnesota this Thursday, the ratings will probably be the highest they've been all season.  Color rush never bothered me at all.  It's football FFS.

TNF has mostly been lousy at best this season outside of a small handful of games... I don't think it's a just a coincidence; the sport is too physical for these guys to have just 3 full days of rest before the next game (I realize DAL vs. MIN is an exception to that). It's not the color rush that's the problem, it's a league that claims to care about player safety, yet they couldn't care less about throwing these guys back out on the field as soon as possible to make as much money as they can. I hope the drop in ratings is a wake up call to them and they eventually get rid of TNF. It's clearly watering down their product.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on November 29, 2016, 09:26:33 PM
Post-Week 12 Power Rankings
1. Dallas - looking like THE team to beat
2. New England - they keep winning, but you just get the feeling that something's not right
3. Oakland - season-defining win over the Panthers
4. Kansas City - stole a win on the road
5. Seattle - amazing how the offense can be so good and then so bad
6. Atlanta - hard to figure them out at times
7. Denver - will have to fight to make the playoffs now after the D let them down big time
8. NY Giants - hard to believe this team is 8-3
9. Miami - six wins in a row!
10. Detroit - NFC North is theirs for the taking now

Trending Up:

Tampa Bay - can they sneak up and steal the NFC South?
Pittsburgh - caught a break by getting the Colts without Luck and now have a favorable schedule down the stretch
Buffalo - Rex has probably saved his job, but probably looking at 8-8

Trending Down:

Los Angeles - Jeff Fisher is a joke
Cincinnati - adios, Marvin Lewis
Arizona - biggest disappointment this season

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr
2. Dak Prescott
3. Matt Ryan
4. Tom Brady
5. Ezekiel Elliot
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Accelerando on November 29, 2016, 11:37:41 PM
Packers D looked horrendous last night, per usual. Weak zone defenses cooked up by Dom Capers. I can't wait till he is out of GB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
The NFL is moving next year's London games to 1pm EST kick offs, not that 9:30am stuff we got this year (maybe before too, I don't remember, I just recall NYG getting stuck with an early game and I hated it). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: DragonAttack on November 30, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
Packers D looked horrendous last night, per usual. Weak zone defenses cooked up by Dom Capers. I can't wait till he is out of GB.

The healthy 2nd-4th stringers that he has available, held Philly to 13 points.  I'd say that's pretty darn good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 01, 2016, 07:19:05 AM
Well, Philly's O-line didn't play that great, but GB's defense did play better than previous weeks.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Samsara on December 01, 2016, 10:58:59 AM
Well, I have tickets to see the JETS in San Francisco on the 11th. My brother and I are pretty excited about going to a game together (been awhile), but man...this is going to be ugly. And the beer...probably way too expensive.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
Well, I have tickets to see the JETS in San Francisco on the 11th. My brother and I are pretty excited about going to a game together (been awhile), but man...this is going to be ugly. And the beer...probably way too expensive.

Yet sadly you will need a lot of beer to get through that game  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Samsara on December 01, 2016, 11:37:14 AM
Well, I have tickets to see the JETS in San Francisco on the 11th. My brother and I are pretty excited about going to a game together (been awhile), but man...this is going to be ugly. And the beer...probably way too expensive.

Yet sadly you will need a lot of beer to get through that game  :lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 01, 2016, 12:09:23 PM
Funny thing happened on Gronk's road to being the best tight end ever: he got hurt.  And then got hurt.  Again.  And again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on December 01, 2016, 12:27:03 PM
Funny thing happened on Gronk's road to being the best tight end ever: he got hurt.  And then got hurt.  Again.  And again.

Herm Edwards said he is incapable of falling gracefully.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
Well, I have tickets to see the JETS in San Francisco SANTA CLARA on the 11th. My brother and I are pretty excited about going to a game together (been awhile), but man...this is going to be ugly. And the beer...probably way too expensive.
Fixed.   :)

Not a bad stadium.  You should have a good time.  And it's a game the Jets should win, so there's that.  I hope your seats aren't on the "sunny" side of the stadium.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 01, 2016, 01:10:16 PM
Funny thing happened on Gronk's road to being the best tight end ever: he got hurt.  And then got hurt.  Again.  And again.

8 weeks.  Might as well put him on the IR.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Samsara on December 01, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
Well, I have tickets to see the JETS in San Francisco SANTA CLARA on the 11th. My brother and I are pretty excited about going to a game together (been awhile), but man...this is going to be ugly. And the beer...probably way too expensive.
Fixed.   :)

Not a bad stadium.  You should have a good time.  And it's a game the Jets should win, so there's that.  I hope your seats aren't on the "sunny" side of the stadium.

Oh yeah. hahahaha. That's still so wrong. Then again, the Jets play in Jersey, so...

I am in one of the endzones. One deck up, first row.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 01, 2016, 03:36:56 PM
The NFL is going to have 16 full time officials?!  Well it's a first step.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: pogoowner on December 01, 2016, 04:10:13 PM
The NFL is going to have 16 full time officials?!  Well it's a first step.
I don't understand why they don't go all-in on it, but it's something. It's so strange when you see guys like Gene Steratore also officiating D1 NCAA basketball.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 01, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
Funny thing happened on Gronk's road to being the best tight end ever: he got hurt.  And then got hurt.  Again.  And again.

8 weeks.  Might as well put him on the IR.

I would worry about his health in regards to ever playing again.  Another back surgery and he is getting older. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2016, 06:23:51 PM
The NFL is going to have 16 full time officials?!  Well it's a first step.
I don't understand why they don't go all-in on it, but it's something. It's so strange when you see guys like Gene Steratore also officiating D1 NCAA basketball.

Yea, I don't understand why they don't make all refs full time NFL officials and keep them interested and occupied only with the NFL game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 02, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
Because games are only once a week.

I've never understood the drive to make them full-time.  Basketball, hockey, and baseball refs kind of have to be full-time, because games are all the time.  But NFL games are only on Sundays (with the exception of Monday and Thursday nights).

What will be the benefit of them being full time?  What are they going to do during the week?  Watch tape?  Study the rule book?  Take tests?  I just don't get it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 02, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Same goes for players and coaches.  The refs can spend time during the week working on improving their craft like players and coaches do.   :justjen
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 02, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
Players have practice.  They practice plays.

Can refs "practice"?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2016, 10:36:49 AM
Same goes for players and coaches.  The refs can spend time during the week working on improving their craft like players and coaches do.   :justjen

Yea, I don't understand why it doesnt make sense.  They can practice, watch film, tighten their skills, also stay DEDICATED.  Doing other things takes away your focus and thier job requires them to be extremely focusesd for a few hours a week, which isn't much, but we all bitch about the officiating and this will help make it better. 

Also, these refs make enough money from the NFL to justify them being dedicated to the NFL.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 02, 2016, 10:46:25 AM
I agree that the refs need to be full-time. This is a multi-billion dollar producing entity....there's money for it.

Their weeks could be filled with training, tape review. Visits to team's practices like they do in mini camp.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2016, 10:51:18 AM
Yea, I'm not even saying these guys need to work 40 hour weeks off season, but they should be dedicated to the NFL and to perfecting their jobs. 

Can refs "practice"?

Yes, they can practice by performing their job in simulation (whether that be practice of NFL teams, or some other form).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2016, 10:52:48 AM
Most of the refs go home to be with their families during the week, right? If there were all full time, would they have to relocate to a central location? Surely the refs, if full time couldn't be video conferencing all day.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 02, 2016, 11:38:39 AM
The problem is most of the Ref are lawyers and such and this is not their full time gig which should say it all.  As the NFL hires new Refs they should be full time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 02, 2016, 12:25:33 PM
OK, whatever.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 02, 2016, 12:38:24 PM
Who me?  I want them to be full time.  I think they old farts that are still lawyers in the off season and such will put up a fight.  That's why i said every time they get a new ref in make him full time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2016, 06:33:46 AM
Full time officials should be a no-brainer.  Think of how many flags are judgment calls, like pass interference.  They can spend all week watching tape so calls are more consistent across the board, instead of watching one game where defenses are allowed to grab all day, and then another where if you breathe on the WR, a flag comes flying.

I get that it's a difficult sport to officiate, but far too many games these days are tainted by bad calls (or non-calls, like Dallas winning the other night when they got away with clocking Bradford in the face on the 2-point conversion at the end that could have tied the game), and while going with full time officials won't eliminate everything, it will help.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 03, 2016, 09:46:10 AM
Agreed Kev.  That hands to the face no-call was pretty bad and should not have been missed.  Definitely a game changer and BTW, that was an ugly win by Dallas.  Vikings had the best defense against them so far this season.  Although OT would've been interesting, the way the rules are set up, it just drags games out too long.  Especially on a week night.  I was happy to see it end despite the bad call.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 03, 2016, 09:54:11 AM
I think technology has ruined it for us fans.  I think the refs are at the same level as it was in the 70's.  Now we get to see every mistake, every toe in or out.

Now add the league adding rule after rule to fix things it's got harder and harder to ref.

That is why they need full time refs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2016, 09:04:50 AM
I agree that officiating is probably no better or worse than it used to be; it's just magnified more now because of better/more camera angles and constant reviews. 

In the meantime, the Rams gave Jeff Fisher an extension. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Enjoy that team, Los Angeles. :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: dparrott on December 04, 2016, 09:29:58 AM
I agree that officiating is probably no better or worse than it used to be; it's just magnified more now because of better/more camera angles and constant reviews. 

In the meantime, the Rams gave Jeff Fisher an extension. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Enjoy that team, Los Angeles. :biggrin: :lol

 :facepalm:  D'oh!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Snow Dog on December 04, 2016, 01:14:08 PM
I agree that officiating is probably no better or worse than it used to be; it's just magnified more now because of better/more camera angles and constant reviews. 

In the meantime, the Rams gave Jeff Fisher an extension. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Enjoy that team, Los Angeles. :biggrin: :lol

I haven't read the details, but I'm guessing it was worth about 7-9 million?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on December 04, 2016, 01:17:43 PM
I haven't read the details, but I'm guessing it was worth about 7-9 million?

Kudos to you, this literally made me laugh out loud.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2016, 01:31:07 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

I don't think the Rams are making it to 7-9 this year.  This looks like a scrimmage today for the Patriots, who brought their C- game and still lead 26-3.

Broncos D needs to close the deal against the Jags today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 04, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
C game is correct. Doesn't give me any confidence at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Cool Chris on December 04, 2016, 01:59:55 PM
Oh dear that KC/ATL dramatic turn of events! Gonna cost me a point in the pick 'em, and I already lost 2 by picking MIA and PHI.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2016, 02:15:23 PM
Chiefs are gonna win that division, not the Raiders or Broncos. 

It's about time more people give the Lions and Matthew Stafford some serious props.

Miami is back to being Miami.

This Giants/Steelers game is gonna be good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 04, 2016, 05:17:57 PM
This Raiders team is so much fun to watch. If it's not going to be the Ravens, I could easily see myself rooting for them to come out of the AFC. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on December 04, 2016, 05:33:50 PM
Chiefs are gonna win that division, not the Raiders or Broncos. 
Chiefs are one of those teams that look awful on paper but always finds some way to win. Today it was a a guy with a pick-6 and a crucial pick-2. Those are the teams that are scary.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: TAC on December 04, 2016, 05:37:05 PM
This Raiders team is so much fun to watch. If it's not going to be the Ravens, I could easily see myself rooting for them to come out of the AFC.
Sub out Ravens with Patriots and I'm totally with you!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2016, 06:19:31 PM
I think Carr is starting to separate himself from the pack in regards to the MVP race, although I suspect voters are dying to give it to Brady.  Carr, however, is probably the difference in the Raiders being 10-2 and maybe 5-7 or 4-8; they have 5-6 wins they pulled out late that they wouldn't have with another QB. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 04, 2016, 06:30:10 PM
I don't think so with Brady.  Many in the national media don't have him in their top 5 because he missed 4 games and the Pats went 3 and 1.

Carr is right there with the Wonder Twins from Dallas.  They may negate each other.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dream Team on December 05, 2016, 05:46:51 AM
Steelers had 12 penalties for 115 yds, Giants 4 for 24 but OBJ whines about the officiating. What a tool.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Rattlehead on December 05, 2016, 08:25:35 AM
One thing I will agree with him on is the unnecessary roughness on Mitchell that should've been called. If they really care about player safety, blowing someone up when it has absolutely no impact on the play should not be encouraged.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 05, 2016, 08:37:27 AM
Hopefully tonight's game is better than last night.  Oh wait...it's Colts @ Jets.  Nevermind.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Steelers had 12 penalties for 115 yds, Giants 4 for 24 but OBJ whines about the officiating. What a tool.

That game was really difficult to watch as a Giants fan.  I'm starting to get frustrated with him again, his whining is out of control and uncalled for.  I think it's having an effect on the rest of the recievers too since last week Sheppard didn't get targetted, and then this week Cruz didn't get targetted.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 05, 2016, 09:31:37 AM
So, the Panthers really looked great for one play last night.  :metal

#ComeOnNextSeason
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 05, 2016, 10:30:55 AM
Steelers had 12 penalties for 115 yds, Giants 4 for 24 but OBJ whines about the officiating. What a tool.

That game was really difficult to watch as a Giants fan.  I'm starting to get frustrated with him again, his whining is out of control and uncalled for.  I think it's having an effect on the rest of the recievers too since last week Sheppard didn't get targetted, and then this week Cruz didn't get targetted.

Sounds like OBJ and Brown are a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2016, 11:13:14 AM
Chiefs are gonna win that division, not the Raiders or Broncos. 
That division is going to be fun to watch this final month.  It could go any one of a number of ways.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Samsara on December 05, 2016, 11:23:52 AM
Chiefs are gonna win that division, not the Raiders or Broncos. 
That division is going to be fun to watch this final month.  It could go any one of a number of ways.

Agreed.

On another note, this Sunday, the second and third worst teams of the league square off in Silicon Valley. Jets will find a way to lose...even to the pathetic 49ers. Man this is gonna be a brutal game to be at. Last year we got crushed by the Raiders, and this year likely losing to the ridiculous 49ers. At least we beat the Browns.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: El Barto on December 05, 2016, 11:50:43 AM
I don't think so with Brady.  Many in the national media don't have him in their top 5 because he missed 4 games and the Pats went 3 and 1.

Carr is right there with the Wonder Twins from Dallas.  They may negate each other.
I think they have to negate each other, which is a shame because either might be a contender otherwise.

And I don't see Brady as MVP material this year. They're functioning more as a team right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: PowerSlave on December 05, 2016, 12:05:17 PM
Steelers had 12 penalties for 115 yds, Giants 4 for 24 but OBJ whines about the officiating. What a tool.

That game was really difficult to watch as a Giants fan.  I'm starting to get frustrated with him again, his whining is out of control and uncalled for.  I think it's having an effect on the rest of the recievers too since last week Sheppard didn't get targetted, and then this week Cruz didn't get targetted.

Sounds like OBJ and Brown are a match made in heaven.

Antonio? I've never heard or seen anything like that from him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 05, 2016, 02:20:16 PM
Sounds like OBJ and Brown are a match made in heaven.

Antonio? I've never heard or seen anything like that from him.

AB whines from time to time, probably no more than your ordinary all-star wide receiver, I was more referring to the fact that OBJ seems like a bit of a diva, which Brown most certainly is. I mean we are talking about a guy who insists on taking celebration penalties when he scores a touchdown. The coach has told him not to, Ben (who has a lot of say in that locker room) has told him not to and he still does. Why? Because his own ego and getting to flex that ego is more important than the team.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great receiver, I'd argue probably the best in the league, but I guarantee you if you hooked Brown up to a lie detector and asked him if he'd rather get his numbers and have the team lose than not get his numbers and have the team win, no question he'd rather just get his.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 05, 2016, 04:01:58 PM
I'm still the only one whose chosen the Raiders as my favorite.  C'mon guys, get on the bandwagon before it's too late.  ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: King Postwhore on December 05, 2016, 04:24:27 PM
I don't think so with Brady.  Many in the national media don't have him in their top 5 because he missed 4 games and the Pats went 3 and 1.

Carr is right there with the Wonder Twins from Dallas.  They may negate each other.
I think they have to negate each other, which is a shame because either might be a contender otherwise.

And I don't see Brady as MVP material this year. They're functioning more as a team right now.

Until this last game against a very bad team Brady has carried them.  Third D has been putrid.   My vote is still Carr but Brady is right there.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 05, 2016, 04:27:42 PM
 ??? New England is 2nd in the NFL in scoring defense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 05, 2016, 04:34:07 PM
Kev.  You an i know numbers lie.  This team hasn't played many tough teams. I sure hope I'm wrong.  It's easy to put up good #'s against the 29th best offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 05, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
That's another point in Carr's favor. While Brady has been playing mostly patsies, Carr has been leading Oakland to wins (many of them comeback wins) over playoff caliber-teams like Denver, Tampa Bay, Houston, Baltimore, etc. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2016, 04:39:12 PM
Right and even @ Pittsburgh was gift wrapped when Big Ben missed the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 05, 2016, 04:47:54 PM
That's why I say Carr. Like El Barto said, both Dallas rookies are worthy but both will negate each other.  I look at Oakland as battle tested.  I'm not worried about Brady's play, I'm worried about the rest of the team not challenged by tough games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: PowerSlave on December 05, 2016, 06:07:14 PM
Sounds like OBJ and Brown are a match made in heaven.

Antonio? I've never heard or seen anything like that from him.

AB whines from time to time, probably no more than your ordinary all-star wide receiver, I was more referring to the fact that OBJ seems like a bit of a diva, which Brown most certainly is. I mean we are talking about a guy who insists on taking celebration penalties when he scores a touchdown. The coach has told him not to, Ben (who has a lot of say in that locker room) has told him not to and he still does. Why? Because his own ego and getting to flex that ego is more important than the team.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great receiver, I'd argue probably the best in the league, but I guarantee you if you hooked Brown up to a lie detector and asked him if he'd rather get his numbers and have the team lose than not get his numbers and have the team win, no question he'd rather just get his.

I expect some of that from all of them from time to time. Guys like Heath Miller are a rare bread (I really miss that guy). I do admit that I hate seeing him take the celebration penalties, but he doesn't come off as whiny to me. Now, when they had Mike Wallace I most definitely seen him as being a super diva. I tend to think of AB as being somewhere between Wallace(super diva) and Hines Ward who was there to just play football no matter what.

Also, I'm not sure of your age, or how long you've been a fan of the team, but they had a tight end in the early 90's by the name of Eric Green that was a huge problem all the way around. Drugs, poor attitude... you name it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 05, 2016, 06:56:43 PM
Wow, the Colts had travel problems getting to the stadium and the Jets haven't shown up yet.  Looks like another blow out in the making.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 06, 2016, 06:02:20 AM
Quote
HERE ARE YOUR 2016 WEEK 14 OFFICIAL PLAYOFF SCENARIOS:

DALLAS COWBOYS
   Dallas clinches division title:
    1) DAL win
   Dallas clinches a first-round bye:
    1) DAL win + DET loss or tie
    2) DAL win + SEA loss
   Dallas clinches homefield advantage throughout NFC playoffs:
    1) DAL win + DET loss or tie + SEA loss

SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
   Seattle clinches division title:
    1) SEA win + ARI loss or tie
    2) SEA tie + ARI loss

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
   New England clinches division title:
    1) NE win + MIA loss or tie
    2) NE tie + MIA loss
   New England clinches a first-round bye:
    1) NE win + MIA loss or tie + PIT loss or tie

OAKLAND RAIDERS
   Oakland clinches a playoff berth:
    1) OAK win + MIA loss or tie
    2) OAK win + DEN loss
    3) OAK tie + MIA loss + BAL loss or tie
    4) OAK tie + MIA loss + PIT loss or tie 

https://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/week-14-playoff-scenarios-cowboys-and-patriots-can-earn-playoff-byes-seahawks-raiders

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: dparrott on December 06, 2016, 08:46:45 AM
The Raiders are 10-2 and the media are STILL calling him David Carr (his brother).   ::)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Raiding the West
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 06, 2016, 09:08:55 AM
I expect some of that from all of them from time to time. Guys like Heath Miller are a rare bread (I really miss that guy). I do admit that I hate seeing him take the celebration penalties, but he doesn't come off as whiny to me. Now, when they had Mike Wallace I most definitely seen him as being a super diva. I tend to think of AB as being somewhere between Wallace(super diva) and Hines Ward who was there to just play football no matter what.

Also, I'm not sure of your age, or how long you've been a fan of the team, but they had a tight end in the early 90's by the name of Eric Green that was a huge problem all the way around. Drugs, poor attitude... you name it.

I'm 27, so I was probably a kid watching the Steelers games with my dad when Eric Green played, the name doesn't ring a bell.

Just to be clear, I don't care that AB can be a whiner or a diva, or whatever. That stuff is pretty much par for the course in today's NFL, heck being a criminal is becoming the normal on a lot of teams. What I do care about is continuing to take celebration penalties that cost the team 15 yards after he's been told not to. That's all. The dude is a great receiver, I'm not hating, I'm just saying.

I agree about missing a guy like Heath, that personality type and leadership style is lacking on this football team now outside of big number 7. Also - while Ward was a good, hard working football player, off the field he pretty much was as much of an egomaniac as AB is now. Once again, as long as it doesn't hurt the team on the field, I don't really care, just pointing it out.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: pogoowner on December 06, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
I'm still the only one whose chosen the Raiders as my favorite.  C'mon guys, get on the bandwagon before it's too late.  ;)
I've been contemplating just becoming a Raiders fan since last season, because I'm sick of watching the Yorks run the 49ers so badly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 06, 2016, 12:30:36 PM
I'm still the only one whose chosen the Raiders as my favorite.  C'mon guys, get on the bandwagon before it's too late.  ;)
I've been contemplating just becoming a Raiders fan since last season, because I'm sick of watching the Yorks run the 49ers so badly.

As a fan this season has been fun.  It's been so long since I was cheering for a winner; it still feels strange.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Architeuthis on December 06, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
My prediction for playoffs.
NFC championship - Seattle / Dallas
AFC championship - Oakland / New England

Anything can happen though..
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Nick on December 06, 2016, 12:48:52 PM
My dad is a Raiders fan. Prior to this season it was always reassuring that no matter how badly the Niners would do, the Raiders would always be worse. Years of mediocrity pre-Harbaugh was always slightly lessened by having the Raiders be awful year after year. Not so much this year.

I'm just praying the Browns win a game or two and we continue to suck. Get a top draft pick and more importantly we see Baalke get shipped out. I mean Chip has to go, but that won't help too much if Baalke is still there. York needs to go, but you can't easily see that happening. The best reasonable scenario is to see Baalke go and then Chip after that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 06, 2016, 01:23:50 PM
My prediction for playoffs.
NFC championship - Seattle / Dallas
AFC championship - Oakland / New England

Anything can happen though..

Again....way to go out on a limb.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Architeuthis on December 06, 2016, 04:28:42 PM
I'll go even further out on a limb. Dallas and Oakland in the SB.  I'm not really going out on a limb though because I'm not betting on anything. I always lose when I bet, I don't want to jinx my team by betting on them..  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2016, 05:47:15 PM
Post-Week 13 Power Rankings
1. Dallas - winning a game you didn't play well in is always the mark of a great team
2. Oakland - with all three road games left within the division, they will certainly have to earn the division
3. Kansas City - the best non-flashy team we've seen in years
4. Seattle - they best is so good, as we saw again, but consistency is their issue
5. New England - seems odd to drop them after they won, but losing Gronk and looking disinterested against the Rams made me drop them a bit
6. Detroit - have won seven of their last eight; they look legit
7. Denver - will likely sneak in as the 6 seed that no one wants to play
8. Atlanta - brutal loss, and now on the verge of blowing the division
9. Pittsburgh - getting hot at the just the right time
10. Baltimore - impressive beat down of a Miami team that was red hot

Trending Up:

Tampa Bay - narrowly missed the top 10; looking really good
Green Bay - need to win three in a row and hope Detroit loses one, in order to steal the division from the Lions in week 17
Indianapolis - poised to steal the AFC South

Trending Down:

Houston - such a soft team
Minnesota - still stunned by their collapse
Philadelphia - this team needs WRs who can catch, but I think these growing pains by a rookie head coach and QB will help long term

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr
2. Dak Prescott
3. Tom Brady
4. Andrew Luck
5. Matt Ryan
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Rattlehead on December 06, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
I think it's time to put Stafford in the MVP conversation. I know he'll never get it because he's a Detroit Lion, but he's been just as valuable to his team as any QB aside from Carr in my opinion. We all know how valuable Brady is, but Belichick seems to be able to win with any QB in the regular season. The Lions would be in the basement of the NFC North without Stafford.

Definitely agree with Luck being in the top 5 though, especially because I finally got to see him in person last night at Metlife Stadium (went with a co-worker who is a Colts fan). Even though it was against the Jets, it was still special to see how incredibly talented Luck is in person. There's another team that would probably be garbage without the elite QB play they're getting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2016, 08:35:10 PM
Honestly, leaving out Stafford was a total oversight on my part.  You could really argue for him being 3rd on the list, especially when you consider how big he has played at the end of games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on December 07, 2016, 08:02:50 AM
Post-Week 13 Power Rankings
1. Dallas - winning a game you didn't play well in is always the mark of a great team
2. Oakland - with all three road games left within the division, they will certainly have to earn the division
3. Kansas City - the best non-flashy team we've seen in years
4. Seattle - they best is so good, as we saw again, but consistency is their issue
5. New England - seems odd to drop them after they won, but losing Gronk and looking disinterested against the Rams made me drop them a bit
 

I have no issue outing Oakland over NE. I was very impressed with KC the one game I saw them play. NE just hasn't played anyone this year. And it's not just losing Gronk. Amendola is out for the next month as well.
Big game this weekend against Baltimore, who has been a real thorn in their side over the years. The Pats still have to go to Denver. If Simean (sp?) is healthy, I don't like the Pats' chances.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2016, 08:14:43 AM
I never thought I'd say this, but...the game of the week is on Thursday.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 07, 2016, 10:18:44 AM
The Raiders are 10-2 and the media are STILL calling him David Carr (his brother).   ::)

I wonder how many teams wrote him off for being David's brother. It's hard to believe in hindsight that Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater were selected ahead of him. Yes another lol Cleveland moment for sure, but those happen all too often, like back in 2016 when the browns could have drafted Zeke & Dak...... hindsight being what it is and all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 07, 2016, 09:47:56 PM
Those guys wouldn't be nearly as good on the Browns, though.  Don't get me wrong, both guys are really good, but both guys benefit big time playing behind that line, and Prescott has the added advantage of being coached by a former QB. 

Along those lines, isn't it amazing how guys who were never more than backup QBs in the NFL become great QB coaches?  Gary Kubiak, for one, and Jason Garrett, for two.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: PowerSlave on December 07, 2016, 10:13:26 PM
Along those lines, isn't it amazing how guys who were never more than backup QBs in the NFL become great QB coaches?  Gary Kubiak, for one, and Jason Garrett, for two.

Other than Del Rio and Rivera, I can't think of any somewhat successful headcoach in recent years that wasn't a backup/non-starter when they were a player. Mike Singletary was the last one that comes to mind that was a huge name on the field, but his coaching career wasn't very good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: pogoowner on December 07, 2016, 11:20:26 PM
Other than Del Rio and Rivera, I can't think of any somewhat successful headcoach in recent years that wasn't a backup/non-starter when they were a player. Mike Singletary was the last one that comes to mind that was a huge name on the field, but his coaching career wasn't very good.
Understatement. :lol

That is, if we're talking about his head coaching career. He's done just fine for himself working with linebackers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Dream Team on December 08, 2016, 06:28:48 AM
This is too bad, there's always been mutual respect and admiration between the Giants' and Steelers' fan bases:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18230160/offensive-line-ride-whenever

This Sheppard guy seems like the black sheep of an otherwise classy organization (minus OBJ).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 08, 2016, 06:34:36 AM
Every team has players like that.  Even your beloved Steelers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 08, 2016, 06:42:39 AM
I never thought I'd say this, but...the game of the week is on Thursday.

Tell me about it.

Every team has players like that.  Even your beloved Steelers.

Yup.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 08, 2016, 07:19:03 AM
Every team has players like that.  Even your beloved Steelers.

NO?! I can't be...? They hold themselves to a higher standard!!! The Rooneys are awesome!! etc... etc...

For real though, you're right every team in the league has elements of that unfortunately.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Rattlehead on December 08, 2016, 08:06:20 PM
Just gonna leave this here for anyone that is interested in learning more about the up and coming star Tyreek Hill on the Chiefs...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/12/08/chiefs-tyreek-hill-is-a-rising-star-but-past-domestic-abuse-incident-still-hovers/?utm_term=.a0a7f3d92015 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/12/08/chiefs-tyreek-hill-is-a-rising-star-but-past-domestic-abuse-incident-still-hovers/?utm_term=.a0a7f3d92015)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 08, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
In this big game that could well decide the AFC West, Carr is really struggling. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 08, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
I will never understand why teams still throw that fade pattern, especially on 4th down with the game on the line.  It's a low percentage play!  Unless you have a Calvin Johnson or Mike Evans, guys who can out jump anyone, it's a terrible play call.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2016, 08:15:12 AM
Chiefs are now in the driver's seat in the division.  I really did not think that was going to happen.  But then again, I also did not know about Carr's injury either.  It's going to be an interesting finish to the season in the AFC now.  I still feel like the Raiders are the "better" team.  But they made their road through the playoffs A LOT harder now, because I don't see the Chiefs blowing the division lead with 3 games left.  Things will get REALLY interesting if the Ravens manage to take down the Pats.  Should be a fun race.  I would love to see either KC or Oakland go all the way.  (no offense, but the Broncos just don't feel like a big threat this year, despite contending for a playoff spot)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 09, 2016, 08:40:04 AM
Eric Berry
Alex Smith
Andy Reid

Those are three dudes that I would be happy for if they get a championship.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2016, 08:49:29 AM
Agreed.  I don't actively follow them, so I'm not that familiar with most of their roster, but I wouldn't begrudge any of their guys a championship.  Alex is the dude I am rooting for most, for obvious reasons.  I was a fan of his while he was in SF.  And I think he really got a raw deal over the years from that team, and stuck it out like a champ while keeping as good an attitude as you could expect anyone to under the circumstances (and arguably better than you could expect). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 09, 2016, 10:26:16 AM
I agree with all of that.  I have always had a lot of respect for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: pogoowner on December 09, 2016, 12:13:37 PM
Agreed.  I don't actively follow them, so I'm not that familiar with most of their roster, but I wouldn't begrudge any of their guys a championship.  Alex is the dude I am rooting for most, for obvious reasons.  I was a fan of his while he was in SF.  And I think he really got a raw deal over the years from that team, and stuck it out like a champ while keeping as good an attitude as you could expect anyone to under the circumstances (and arguably better than you could expect). 
Agreed. He was always very classy even while some pretty messed up stuff was going on under Mike Nolan (Nolan saying he was healthy and sending him out to play when he wasn't, for instance), through some terrible coaching staffs and terrible rosters, and even though I don't blame anyone for Kaepernick supplanting him, that had to seriously suck for Alex. I always root for him.

Funny how a #1 overall pick has basically taken on the role of underdog for pretty much his whole career.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 09, 2016, 03:12:31 PM
Chiefs are now in the driver's seat in the division.  I really did not think that was going to happen.  But then again, I also did not know about Carr's injury either.

Carr's throws just looked off kilter compared to normal.  I think his pinkie was bugging him more he wants to admit.  And now there's the "did the ball hit the wire or not?" controversy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 09, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
Chiefs are now in the driver's seat in the division.  I really did not think that was going to happen.  But then again, I also did not know about Carr's injury either.  It's going to be an interesting finish to the season in the AFC now.  I still feel like the Raiders are the "better" team.  But they made their road through the playoffs A LOT harder now, because I don't see the Chiefs blowing the division lead with 3 games left.  Things will get REALLY interesting if the Ravens manage to take down the Pats.  Should be a fun race.  I would love to see either KC or Oakland go all the way.  (no offense, but the Broncos just don't feel like a big threat this year, despite contending for a playoff spot)

Regarding the Broncos, I agree, sadly.  I think they have 10-6 and a 1st round loss written all over them.  Too much instability at the QB position (thanks to Siemian not being able to stay healthy), and they cannot run the ball like they did late last year.  And while the D is still really, really good, it's not playing an all-time level like they did last year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: PowerSlave on December 09, 2016, 07:24:39 PM
Chiefs are now in the driver's seat in the division.  I really did not think that was going to happen.  But then again, I also did not know about Carr's injury either.  It's going to be an interesting finish to the season in the AFC now.  I still feel like the Raiders are the "better" team.  But they made their road through the playoffs A LOT harder now, because I don't see the Chiefs blowing the division lead with 3 games left.  Things will get REALLY interesting if the Ravens manage to take down the Pats.  Should be a fun race.  I would love to see either KC or Oakland go all the way.  (no offense, but the Broncos just don't feel like a big threat this year, despite contending for a playoff spot)

Regarding the Broncos, I agree, sadly.  I think they have 10-6 and a 1st round loss written all over them.  Too much instability at the QB position (thanks to Siemian not being able to stay healthy), and they cannot run the ball like they did late last year.  And while the D is still really, really good, it's not playing an all-time level like they did last year.

It's difficult for any team to maintain that level of play (defense). Being a Steelers fan, I've watched them fluctuate drastically at times over the last decade. I do think that Denver is still an elite defense. They just need a tiny bit of help from that offense, and they could compete with anyone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 09, 2016, 10:34:03 PM


It's difficult for any team to maintain that level of play (defense).

For sure, which is why none of the other defenses in the last 30 years that had historically great seasons and postseasons ('85 Bears, '00 Ravens, '02 Bucs, '13 Seahawks and '15 Broncos) repeated as Super Bowl champions, and why the Broncos are unlikely to do so this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2016, 10:25:18 AM
Seattle/Green Bay games have been entertaining in recent years. Could have another classic in the not-so frozen tundra today.

I think that Cleveland gets a win today.

No Ravens game today, so I'll just watch 7 hours commercial free on RedZone and root for things that help the Ravens and/or my fantasy team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 11, 2016, 10:37:22 AM
Big game tomorrow DOC. :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2016, 10:39:30 AM
Big game tomorrow DOC. :metal

Absolutely. Bart Scott once said it best..... "CAN'T WAIT".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 11, 2016, 10:40:16 AM
Now if I can keep my eyes open. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2016, 10:52:48 AM
Take a nap after work old man.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 11, 2016, 11:27:30 AM
I do that I don't sleep.  *old fart problems*


Big week too with the management group coming in to our site.

Btw, I love, love, love snow games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2016, 02:44:27 PM
Good hard-nosed battle today between the Broncos and Titans, which saw my boys come out on the losing end.  They were done in by their run defense, terrible offensive line and stooge number 3 and 4 WRs (one of whom dropped the go-ahead TD with 4 minutes to go and the other fumbled the game away at the end by needlessly fighting for extra yardage after he already had the 1st down).  Just too much to overcome this season, it would appear.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: cramx3 on December 11, 2016, 03:18:41 PM
Big game coming up for a Giants fan.  I expect the Cowboys to win this pretty easily, but it would be nice to end Ezekliel's road win streak.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Cool Chris on December 11, 2016, 04:02:07 PM
From the 'Only in Seattle' department, went to a kid's birthday party today and saw a couple wearing Seahawks jerseys: Him wearing #9 (Hauschka, the placekicker) and her wearing #4 (Ryan, the punter)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: orcus116 on December 11, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
Big game coming up for a Giants fan.  I expect the Cowboys to win this pretty easily, but it would be nice to end Ezekliel's road win streak.

I'm expecting the same but I just hope they make it close.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2016, 04:16:30 PM
From the 'Only in Seattle' department, went to a kid's birthday party today and saw a couple wearing Seahawks jerseys: Him wearing #9 (Hauschka, the placekicker) and her wearing #4 (Ryan, the punter)


I own a Matt Stover jersey. Admittedly, I do not have a punter's jersey.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
GB's D got their corners back, and Aaron Rodgers looks like Aaron Rodgers again.  And suddenly the Packers look like a team no one will want to play if they get in (and I think they will, since the Lions have some tough games down the stretch).

Meanwhile, I hope LA likes having football back. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2016, 04:43:07 PM
How's Fisher's extension working out for them?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
Well, they are 4-8 and currently losing 35-0 at home to a team missing its best player. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2016, 04:45:44 PM
Check that...42-0. :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 11, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
From the 'Only in Seattle' department, went to a kid's birthday party today and saw a couple wearing Seahawks jerseys: Him wearing #9 (Hauschka, the placekicker) and her wearing #4 (Ryan, the punter)

As someone that's wanted a  Janikowski jersey for a long time, this doesn't seem that strange to me.  Of course, he was the best player on the team for more than a decade.  I would have also worn a Lechler jersey, so props to them.  :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
Check that...42-0. :rollin :rollin

I guess 7-9 is now the best case for him. Pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Dream Team on December 11, 2016, 07:44:45 PM
Looks like Tomlin's plan is to run Bell until the wheels fall off. 30+ touches every week. Can't argue with today's result though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2016, 08:02:12 PM
It might be silly, but I cannot take the Giants seriously as long as their head coach is sporting that 80s porn 'stache.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: orcus116 on December 11, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
He's no Brian VanGorder but I hear ya.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2016, 08:40:27 PM
This is two games in a row Prescott hasn't looked good.  Makes you wonder if defenses are figuring him out a little bit, now that they have enough game tape on him. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: orcus116 on December 11, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
This last touchdown notwithstanding, Prescott has got to be thankful he's up against the Giant offense. The lack of the O-line as well as a solid running game/short game makes this team painful to root for.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: orcus116 on December 11, 2016, 09:20:42 PM
What a crazy defensive game this has been.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: orcus116 on December 11, 2016, 09:35:17 PM
YES
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2016, 07:31:58 AM
Giants, 2-0 vs the Cowboys!  :yarr

Giants, still look terrible but finding ways to win.  ???
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Rattlehead on December 12, 2016, 07:59:26 AM
Such a demoralizing loss yesterday for Denver... most realistic Bronco fans like myself feel like the season is shot. As great of a GM as Elway has been in Denver, it is frustrating how he's been such a block head with the offensive line. They were the main weakness of the team last year (aside from an aging, injured QB), and he managed to make them even worse this season. He went out and signed a notoriously bad tackle in Donald Stephenson, and signed another who has a rough history of injuries in Russell Okung. As you can imagine, neither have panned out at all, but thankfully the team can easily move on from Okung after this season because he signed a team friendly contract. Elway has been excellent in free agency for the most part, but he's been average at best in the draft, and doesn't seem to be great at evaluating talent on the offensive side of the ball.

I know Denver just won the Super Bowl last season so I really shouldn't be complaining (as some friends tell me  :lol), but it just feels this season went down the drain because of how terrible the offensive line has been. I didn't expect them to win the Super Bowl, but I did expect them to at least be back in the playoffs... putting up a measly 10 points and losing a must-win game against a mediocre Titans team has to be one of the lowest points of the GM Elway era in Denver. In addition to that, a low-life Titans player attempted to take one of Denver's players out yesterday by lunging at his legs at the end of a play, and of course was not penalized. A truly bitter pill to swallow as a spoiled Broncos fan  :lol... just needed to vent...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 12, 2016, 08:28:20 AM
Much-needed win for the Panthers today.  Hopefully they can finish the season strong and then put it behind them, and get ready for the offseason.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: PowerSlave on December 12, 2016, 08:30:22 AM
I think the Denver fans might be pushing the panic button a little too quick. At the time of this post (the morning of 12/12) they are firmly in a wildcard spot. They have the same record as the dolphins, but they most likely lost their QB for the season, yesterday. They will possibly have the same record as Pittsburgh and Baltimore (depending on the outcome of the Monday night game), but there's a good chance that the AFC North will only be sending their division winner to playoffs this year. Pittsburgh and Baltimore still have a match-up coming before the end of the season that will likely determine the outcome of the season for either team.

Look at it this way, even if Denver doesn't make it to the playoffs, at least they didn't completely tank like their super bowl opponent did.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: dparrott on December 12, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
How's Fisher's extension working out for them?

It's mindblowing.  Fans are saying the GM doesn't care about winning obviously.  I've seen this before with the Raiders and the rookie Dennis Allen, too many chances.  Yeesh.   ::) 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: splent on December 12, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
GB's D got their corners back, and Aaron Rodgers looks like Aaron Rodgers again.  And suddenly the Packers look like a team no one will want to play if they get in (and I think they will, since the Lions have some tough games down the stretch).

Our last three games are against division opponents, week 17 may even be a division deciding game if Detroit loses the next couple, which is definitely possible against the Giants and Cowboys. This may be 2010 again...

BTW how amazing would it be if super bowl LI is the same match up as super bowl I?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Dream Team on December 12, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
How's Fisher's extension working out for them?

It's mindblowing.  Fans are saying the GM doesn't care about winning obviously.  I've seen this before with the Raiders and the rookie Dennis Allen, too many chances.  Yeesh.   ::)

Fisher's agent is the COO's father. :justjen

Le'Veon Bell might want to remove those bulls-eye targets from his knee pads before going against Burfict next Sunday. Speaking of Bell:

Most yards from scrimmage, first 10 games played in a season:
1964 Jim Brown 1,704
2016 Le'Veon Bell 1,616
1975 OJ Simpson 1,609
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 12, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
This is two games in a row Prescott hasn't looked good.  Makes you wonder if defenses are figuring him out a little bit, now that they have enough game tape on him.

I don't think it was so much Prescott as it was his receivers not getting open due to outstanding secondary defense.  Except for the blown coverage on the Newman TD pass, they had it shut down all night.  The O-line played great and yet NY got at least 2 coverage sacks.  Both defenses were lights out and one of the things that kept it from going to OT was the Bailey 55 yard FG doink off the cross bar.  Plus a few other missed opportunities.

Hell, they took Bryant completely out of the game and the one catch he did make on 3rd down, he fumbled.  What was the number of combined punts between both teams, like 17?  I'd rather see an offensive shootout than a defensive stand off.  Regardless of who won, it was an ugly game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 12, 2016, 12:43:22 PM
Le'Veon Bell might want to remove those bulls-eye targets from his knee pads before going against Burfict next Sunday. Speaking of Bell:

Most yards from scrimmage, first 10 games played in a season:
1964 Jim Brown 1,704
2016 Le'Veon Bell 1,616
1975 OJ Simpson 1,609

Wow, that's a crazy stat. Best back in the league right now for sure. He's been playing so well since he came back from suspension. Would you sign him long term or tag him for next year?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 12, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
Breaking news.  Rams can Fisher.   So much for that extension.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 12, 2016, 12:54:17 PM
4-9...the new 7-9
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: pogoowner on December 12, 2016, 01:24:42 PM
Rotoworld's blurb about him is pretty scathing. :lol

Quote
In a cruel, ironic twist for the NFL's pre-eminent loser, the firing comes three days before he was set to pass Dan Reeves for the most coaching losses in league history. Fisher is so inept he can't even claim the record that's been his destiny for over a decade. The firing is perhaps the most justified of the modern era. Fisher has had five years to turn around a laughingstock franchise, but instead made it an even bigger joke. Fisher's team had truly made zero progress on his first year in 2012. A wanton waster of draft picks and capital, Fisher is clueless on Sundays, fundamentally misunderstanding offense and overseeing a cavalcade of idiotic penalties. Fisher doesn't make adjustments, aside from usually dialing up more personal fouls in the second half. Try as he may, he never came close to "cleaning up" his chronic, myriad, inexcusable mistakes. No coach, in any sport anywhere in the world, makes more excuses. Fisher has almost certainly coached his final NFL game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Dream Team on December 12, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
Le'Veon Bell might want to remove those bulls-eye targets from his knee pads before going against Burfict next Sunday. Speaking of Bell:

Most yards from scrimmage, first 10 games played in a season:
1964 Jim Brown 1,704
2016 Le'Veon Bell 1,616
1975 OJ Simpson 1,609

Wow, that's a crazy stat. Best back in the league right now for sure. He's been playing so well since he came back from suspension. Would you sign him long term or tag him for next year?

Gotta sign him I think, but Tomlin seriously needs to lighten his workload. DeAngelo needs to come back pronto.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 02:22:16 PM
Rotoworld's blurb about him is pretty scathing. :lol

Quote
In a cruel, ironic twist for the NFL's pre-eminent loser, the firing comes three days before he was set to pass Dan Reeves for the most coaching losses in league history. Fisher is so inept he can't even claim the record that's been his destiny for over a decade. The firing is perhaps the most justified of the modern era. Fisher has had five years to turn around a laughingstock franchise, but instead made it an even bigger joke. Fisher's team had truly made zero progress on his first year in 2012. A wanton waster of draft picks and capital, Fisher is clueless on Sundays, fundamentally misunderstanding offense and overseeing a cavalcade of idiotic penalties. Fisher doesn't make adjustments, aside from usually dialing up more personal fouls in the second half. Try as he may, he never came close to "cleaning up" his chronic, myriad, inexcusable mistakes. No coach, in any sport anywhere in the world, makes more excuses. Fisher has almost certainly coached his final NFL game.

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 12, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
He belongs in a can.  Sorry Charlie.   :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 12, 2016, 02:26:46 PM
Gotta sign him I think, but Tomlin seriously needs to lighten his workload. DeAngelo needs to come back pronto.

Well that's one of the main problems with signing him long term, isn't it? Tomlin has shown zero ability to balance a RB's workload his entire career. So I wouldn't bet on him (Tomlin) suddenly changing that. The suspensions and injuries have to make you pause for at least a moment before offering the guy a deal though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 12, 2016, 02:53:04 PM
Rotoworld's blurb about him is pretty scathing. :lol

Quote
In a cruel, ironic twist for the NFL's pre-eminent loser, the firing comes three days before he was set to pass Dan Reeves for the most coaching losses in league history. Fisher is so inept he can't even claim the record that's been his destiny for over a decade. The firing is perhaps the most justified of the modern era. Fisher has had five years to turn around a laughingstock franchise, but instead made it an even bigger joke. Fisher's team had truly made zero progress on his first year in 2012. A wanton waster of draft picks and capital, Fisher is clueless on Sundays, fundamentally misunderstanding offense and overseeing a cavalcade of idiotic penalties. Fisher doesn't make adjustments, aside from usually dialing up more personal fouls in the second half. Try as he may, he never came close to "cleaning up" his chronic, myriad, inexcusable mistakes. No coach, in any sport anywhere in the world, makes more excuses. Fisher has almost certainly coached his final NFL game.
That is amazing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Rattlehead on December 12, 2016, 03:30:13 PM
I think the Denver fans might be pushing the panic button a little too quick. At the time of this post (the morning of 12/12) they are firmly in a wildcard spot. They have the same record as the dolphins, but they most likely lost their QB for the season, yesterday. They will possibly have the same record as Pittsburgh and Baltimore (depending on the outcome of the Monday night game), but there's a good chance that the AFC North will only be sending their division winner to playoffs this year. Pittsburgh and Baltimore still have a match-up coming before the end of the season that will likely determine the outcome of the season for either team.

Look at it this way, even if Denver doesn't make it to the playoffs, at least they didn't completely tank like their super bowl opponent did.

The problem is that the remaining schedule is vs. New England, at Kansas City and vs. Oakland. I'm trying to be optimistic, but realistically I think the most likely scenario is that they either lose out or win 1 of 3. They really need to win at least 2 to get in the playoffs. I messed around with the playoff machine on ESPN.com and it looks like Baltimore owns some tie breakers over Denver that would put them in the playoffs if they both finish 9-7 (I'm expecting them to lose tonight and against Pittsburgh).

I would love for this team to prove me wrong; they have done it several times in the past (especially last season). If they don't make the playoffs it isn't the end of the world, as they've had a pretty respectable season and Trevor Siemian has been a pleasant surprise. I'm totally behind Siemian being our starting QB next season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2016, 04:59:08 PM
Sucks for fisher but while he deserved it, I feel like him being a good guy was what gave him a longer leash than normal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 06:40:05 PM
Forward progress stopped?  Terrible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Rattlehead on December 12, 2016, 06:46:10 PM
Guy pulled a Von Miller and pried the ball out of his hands... it's a shame that he wasn't rewarded with a turnover as he should have been. I don't understand the call either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
As usual, a crazy start to a Pats/Ravens game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 07:35:57 PM
I saw this on Twitter and chuckled.

Harry Potter refused to say Voldemorts name because he feared him.

Terrell Suggs refuses to say Tom Bradys name...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
What's Twitter?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 07:42:13 PM
Go back to your sun dial you old bastard.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 07:44:21 PM
What replay are the refs watching?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2016, 07:46:02 PM
Go back to your sun dial you old bastard.
:lol

It's useless at night.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 07:55:08 PM
How do you know that?  You're old.

Btw, Brady should have thrown that away.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
Btw, Brady should have thrown that away.

He's been putting on a clinic...and then that! :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2016, 08:29:54 PM
I'm not surprised at all by how this is going; these are not the Ravens of four years ago.

As for Fisher getting fired, it was long overdue.

And I thought last night's game was great.  Good defensive battle between the Giants and Cowboys.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 08:46:56 PM
CUT CYRUS JONES RIGHT NOW!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2016, 08:52:49 PM
Special teams are killing us right now.  Jesus.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dream Team on December 12, 2016, 08:53:00 PM
Figures NE starts playing like garbage when I really want them to win tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Rattlehead on December 12, 2016, 08:56:27 PM
This game shouldn't even be close right now... Belichick must be livid with all the special teams gaffes  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2016, 09:31:07 PM
With the exception of that one bad throw that was picked, Brady has made the Ravens D look like chumps tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Cool Chris on December 12, 2016, 10:20:56 PM
Harry Potter refused to say Voldemorts name because he feared him.

All the other wizards refused to say his name, Harry never had a problem saying it.

#HPNerd

On topic, I just heard Jim Harbaugh is a srong candidate for the Rams job. Even if he wants back in the NFL, and of course if makes sense for LA mgmt to make a big splash after the humdrum Fisher era, would Harbaugh really leave UM after 2 years, especially when they are a top 10, if not a top 5 program again?

And the Seahawks just dropped to 3rd place in the playoff standings, behind the Lions of all teams!

That loss was good for the Cowboys. They have room in the standings to take some lessons from a loss.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: pogoowner on December 13, 2016, 12:01:27 AM
On topic, I just heard Jim Harbaugh is a srong candidate for the Rams job. Even if he wants back in the NFL, and of course if makes sense for LA mgmt to make a big splash after the humdrum Fisher era, would Harbaugh really leave UM after 2 years, especially when they are a top 10, if not a top 5 program again?
No way. In a couple years, maybe, but not now. They'd also probably have to pay him $10-$15 million per year. Of course Gruden's name has come up, as it has with every coaching vacancy in the last 8 years. But why would he leave ESPN, where he makes boatloads of money for doing very little work (relative to coaching)?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 13, 2016, 07:02:00 AM
Good game Pats fans. The Pats were brilliant again. That blocked FG in the 1st was a thing of beauty. And Brady to Hogan.... damn.

If Ravens can win out, they'll win the division, but I think that Pittsburgh gets them on Christmas. We'll see.


Harry Potter refused to say Voldemorts name because he feared him.

All the other wizards refused to say his name, Harry never had a problem saying it.

#HPNerd

On topic, I just heard Jim Harbaugh is a srong candidate for the Rams job. Even if he wants back in the NFL, and of course if makes sense for LA mgmt to make a big splash after the humdrum Fisher era, would Harbaugh really leave UM after 2 years, especially when they are a top 10, if not a top 5 program again?

And the Seahawks just dropped to 3rd place in the playoff standings, behind the Lions of all teams!

That loss was good for the Cowboys. They have room in the standings to take some lessons from a loss.

It's really a win/win for Harbaugh. He can go to LA and try to stick it to the 49ers....or he can stay at Michigan where the HC is essentially God.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: Stadler on December 13, 2016, 08:18:48 AM
Le'Veon Bell might want to remove those bulls-eye targets from his knee pads before going against Burfict next Sunday. Speaking of Bell:

Most yards from scrimmage, first 10 games played in a season:
1964 Jim Brown 1,704
2016 Le'Veon Bell 1,616
1975 OJ Simpson 1,609

Wow, that's a crazy stat. Best back in the league right now for sure. He's been playing so well since he came back from suspension. Would you sign him long term or tag him for next year?

Eeesh...  I don't know.  I know I'm going to take flack for being a homer, but what about Blount?  He made the best run defense in the league look stupid on a couple of occasions.    He flattened Weddle on one play like it was a video game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: El Barto on December 13, 2016, 08:29:59 AM
Le'Veon Bell might want to remove those bulls-eye targets from his knee pads before going against Burfict next Sunday. Speaking of Bell:

Most yards from scrimmage, first 10 games played in a season:
1964 Jim Brown 1,704
2016 Le'Veon Bell 1,616
1975 OJ Simpson 1,609

Wow, that's a crazy stat. Best back in the league right now for sure. He's been playing so well since he came back from suspension. Would you sign him long term or tag him for next year?

Eeesh...  I don't know.  I know I'm going to take flack for being a homer, but what about Blount?  He made the best run defense in the league look stupid on a couple of occasions.    He flattened Weddle on one play like it was a video game.
He's a good pounder, but NE employs different backs for different purposes. It wasn't Blount making 40 yard receptions last night. I didn't see him distinguish himself in pass protection, as did White. He's an excellent situational back, but versatility matters.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 13, 2016, 08:33:33 AM
Eeesh...  I don't know.  I know I'm going to take flack for being a homer, but what about Blount?  He made the best run defense in the league look stupid on a couple of occasions.    He flattened Weddle on one play like it was a video game.

Honestly, Blount is having a good year. Quick look at the stats, Bell has a couple more years than him (in less games mind you), and his yards per carry is a little better. But, Blount has more TDs this year.

Also- what Barto said. The threat Bell presents as a receiver is tremendous and opens up a lot of possibilities, that probably needs taken into account (versatility).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Cowboys Clinch!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 13, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
Le'Veon Bell might want to remove those bulls-eye targets from his knee pads before going against Burfict next Sunday. Speaking of Bell:

Most yards from scrimmage, first 10 games played in a season:
1964 Jim Brown 1,704
2016 Le'Veon Bell 1,616
1975 OJ Simpson 1,609

Wow, that's a crazy stat. Best back in the league right now for sure. He's been playing so well since he came back from suspension. Would you sign him long term or tag him for next year?

Eeesh...  I don't know.  I know I'm going to take flack for being a homer, but what about Blount?  He made the best run defense in the league look stupid on a couple of occasions.    He flattened Weddle on one play like it was a video game.
He's a good pounder, but NE employs different backs for different purposes. It wasn't Blount making 40 yard receptions last night. I didn't see him distinguish himself in pass protection, as did White. He's an excellent situational back, but versatility matters.

I agree with El Barto.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 13, 2016, 10:02:06 AM

On topic, I just heard Jim Harbaugh is a srong candidate for the Rams job.

Just think, if the Rams had made their move a bit earlier they could have gotten Lane Kiffin.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 13, 2016, 10:32:43 AM

On topic, I just heard Jim Harbaugh is a srong candidate for the Rams job.

Just think, if the Rams had made their move a bit earlier they could have gotten Lane Kiffin.  :lol

They probably could still get him if they really wanted.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 13, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
If anyone cares....

Quote
The Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns and Arizona Cardinals will make their debut appearances in London next season as part of the NFL's four-game International Series slate for 2017.

The matchups, announced Tuesday by the league, will be played at Wembley Stadium and at Twickenham, a rugby stadium the NFL used for the first time this year.

Editor's Picks

    London (not) calling: Packers know home, road limitations make trip unlikely

    Because of the economic impact each home game has on the NFL's smallest market, the Packers refuse to give up one of their home games to play overseas.
    Jaguars have to decide if they want another early bye week in 2017

    The Jaguars' bye week is typically after the London trip. But with next year's annual overseas game in Week 3 or 4, will the team request a later bye?

The Ravens will play the Jacksonville Jaguars in either Week 3 or 4 at Wembley, and the New Orleans Saints will play the Miami Dolphins in one of those weeks at Wembley. The Browns will play the Minnesota Vikings and the Cardinals will play the Los Angeles Rams at Twickenham in Weeks 7 or 8.

The Browns, Jaguars, Dolphins and Rams will be the home teams. Jacksonville is committed to playing one home game in London through the 2020 season. The league has never before played four games in one season in London.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18267996/nfl-announces-london-matchups-2017-baltimore-ravens-jacksonville-jaguars-new-orleans-saints-miami-dolphins-minnesota-vikings-cleveland-browns-arizona-cardinals-los-angeles-rams

Webpoet73 says: Thrilled that the Ravens are getting a London game. That much better that it isn't a "home" game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 13, 2016, 04:38:04 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2016, 04:50:56 PM
 :lol :lol

No offense, Stadler, but Blount even being in the conversation for best RB is too lol-worthy to even address. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2016, 06:05:55 PM
A lot of changes this week...

Post-Week 14 Power Rankings
1. New England - their best is better than anybody's, plain and simple
2. Dallas - has their offense peaked?
3. Kansas City - the definition of not winning pretty, but they win
4. Oakland - Carr's finger needs to be okay for them to still have a chance for the division and a bye
5. Detroit - we'll see how good they really are the next three weeks, for now, they've earned this spot
6. NY Giants - offense still looks off, but that D is ferocious again
7. Seattle - I don't know what to expect from this team now on a week to week basis
8. Tampa Bay - D is suddenly stout
9. Atlanta - big win without their best player, albeit over a Rams team with a coach who was dead in the water
10. Pittsburgh - could be that AFC team no one wants to play in January


Trending Up:

Green Bay - hitting their stride
Tennessee - their biggest win in years
Cincinnati - can they save Marvin Lewis?

Trending Down:

Denver - 4-5 after a 4-0 start and in danger of missing the playoffs
Buffalo - Rex Ryan might be the next coach fired
Philadelphia - 2-8 after a 3-0 start

MVP contenders:

1. Derek Carr - despite last week's performance, his value is immense; they'd likely be 5-8 or 4-9 without him
2. Matt Ryan - even though it was against the Rams, great performance without his top two WRs; he's been money most of the year
3. Tom Brady - the best QB this year, but hard to give the MVP to a guy who missed four games and saw his team go 3-1 in those games
4. Ezekiel Elliott - it's clear now that he is much more valuable than Prescott
5. Matthew Stafford - EIGHT 4th quarter comebacks this year
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 14, 2016, 10:34:11 AM
Zeke is more valuable than Dak easily.  Dak is good, but clearly not experienced enough to read complex defenses like the Giants.  He might want to start studying tape, a lot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: PowerSlave on December 14, 2016, 03:50:59 PM
I think that some people have come to expect too much from Prescott. Kev nailed it when he said that Zeke is much more valuable.

There are only two other QB's that come to mind that had great success in their rookie campaign's in recent years. Shaun King (1999 Bucs) and Ben Roethlisberger in 2004. Both of those guys took their teams to their conference championships, but each of them had much better defenses to lean on. Ben also had Jerome Bettis and a great offensive line. Neither one of those guys got their teams to the super bowl. I'm not sure that Dallas can get there without Romo coming back into the picture, either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 14, 2016, 05:48:58 PM
I think that some people have come to expect too much from Prescott. Kev nailed it when he said that Zeke is much more valuable.

There are only two other QB's that come to mind that had great success in their rookie campaign's in recent years. Shaun King (1999 Bucs) and Ben Roethlisberger in 2004. Both of those guys took their teams to their conference championships, but each of them had much better defenses to lean on. Ben also had Jerome Bettis and a great offensive line. Neither one of those guys got their teams to the super bowl. I'm not sure that Dallas can get there without Romo coming back into the picture, either.

Joe Flacco fits that description as well
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 14, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
That's gonna be a fun story when Jerry Jones makes Garrett start Romo over Prescott.  Romo is still the better QB, obviously, so it might be the right move, IF Prescott keeps struggling.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: PowerSlave on December 14, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
I think that some people have come to expect too much from Prescott. Kev nailed it when he said that Zeke is much more valuable.

There are only two other QB's that come to mind that had great success in their rookie campaign's in recent years. Shaun King (1999 Bucs) and Ben Roethlisberger in 2004. Both of those guys took their teams to their conference championships, but each of them had much better defenses to lean on. Ben also had Jerome Bettis and a great offensive line. Neither one of those guys got their teams to the super bowl. I'm not sure that Dallas can get there without Romo coming back into the picture, either.

Joe Flacco fits that description as well

I completely forgot about that. It's my Steelers fan/Ohio resident bias  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 14, 2016, 07:50:42 PM
That's gonna be a fun story when Jerry Jones makes Garrett start Romo over Prescott.  Romo is still the better QB, obviously, so it might be the right move, IF Prescott keeps struggling.

It would be the wrong move to put Romo in.  Every player need adversity.   You need to go through it to better the playoff run. 

Dax needs to play.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Rattlehead on December 14, 2016, 09:29:54 PM
It'll be really interesting to see what Dallas ends up doing if Dak continues to struggle... it would be a shame to throw away the opportunity you have with a first round bye/possible home field advantage throughout the playoffs with a struggling rookie QB when you have a seasoned veteran behind him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: pogoowner on December 14, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
If they disappoint in the playoffs, they're going to get dragged by the fans and the media no matter which decision they make.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Rattlehead on December 14, 2016, 09:46:18 PM
That's the unfortunate truth... Denver fans were prepared for that if either Osweiler or Manning had failed in the playoffs last season. I do think Terrell Davis said it best when he implied that you'd be a lot more frustrated if you started the young guy and lost early in the playoffs than if you had gone with the vet and lost. The playoffs are a different animal...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 14, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
The stupidest thing about this is that it should be Jason Garrett's decision, but it won't be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2016, 07:13:14 AM
While I understand the debate, personally if I were a Dallas fan I would not want to go back to Romo.  My only concern if I were dallas would be potentially facing the Giants in the divisional round. That's the only team they lost to so I don't see why anyone should be discussing this at this point. Situation is comparable to Denver last year but Dak has been performing well enoigh. Romo has done nothing in his career to make me think he could take this team to the Super Bowl.  If anything Romo maybe gets them a playoff win and Dakota does not. I see that as the trade off personally, but at the cost of mass debate about the team and would lead to a lot of talk in the off-season about Romo. I'd keep him for the remainder of the season if Dak got hurt and then trade or let him go end of season. He's old and Dak is the future, so let him play this out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 15, 2016, 07:44:01 AM
Had Dallas beaten the Giants, then it would be a different story.  Starting Romo would probably be a good idea to get him reps since he hasn't played in over a year.  At this point, with the div title and home field on the line, you continue to start Dak.  Don't deviate from the plan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 15, 2016, 07:46:28 AM
...  My only concern if I were dallas would be potentially facing the Giants in the divisional round. That's the only team they lost to so I don't see why anyone should be discussing this at this point.

They haven't played Seattle. That defense would probably give Dak fits as well.

I'm sure Dallas is worried about quite a few teams, as they should be. The film is out on Dak.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 15, 2016, 08:16:38 AM

I'm sure Dallas is worried about quite a few teams, as they should be. The film is out on Dak.

I don't think so and it's not all on Dak either.  There were several missed opportunities, even on defense.  This isn't a major setback.  The 2 losses were only a combined 4 points.  It's not a big deal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: dparrott on December 15, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Love the Seahawks in bright green tonight!   :tup  Rams wearing classic blue and white helmets too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: El Barto on December 15, 2016, 08:55:59 AM
Romo could come in and win games but loose the season and the progress they've made. Romo is the better QB right now, but he's not the future of the team and Jerry knows that. This is something that the Cowboys need to let Dak work out. Something to keep in mind is that Jerry knows full well the value of adversity (ask Troy Aikman). He also knows the value of lighting a fire under a young quarterback's ass (ask Steve Walsh). Just because his ego kept him from being able to work with Jimmy doesn't mean he didn't learn a lot from him. After all, he's essentially built a team around the O-line and a mixed rushing/passing attack with a new set of triplets.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2016, 09:17:27 AM
...  My only concern if I were dallas would be potentially facing the Giants in the divisional round. That's the only team they lost to so I don't see why anyone should be discussing this at this point.

They haven't played Seattle. That defense would probably give Dak fits as well.

I'm sure Dallas is worried about quite a few teams, as they should be. The film is out on Dak.

I actually think Seattle may be more worrisome than the Giants in the playoffs.  I'd find it hard for Dallas to beat them 3 times, but even if you put in Romo, I don't think it makes things much easier for them to beat Seattle or New York and therefore, to me, the risk of disrupting a young/learning team is not worth it.  The only way that works out is if they won the Super Bowl and I don't think putting Romo in makes them the favorite.  I don't think it's the same as putting a hall of famer and former super bowl champ Peyton Manning back in.  However, if Dallas turns to shit the next few weeks and stumble into the playoffs due to poor performances by Dak, maybe playing Romo at that point would make sense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Cool Chris on December 15, 2016, 06:05:18 PM
Love the Seahawks in bright green tonight!   

That is stretching the definition of "green" a bit. What in the hell color is that??
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: TAC on December 15, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
Goff and the Rams vs Sigmund and the Sea Monsters.





It literally hurts my eyes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 15, 2016, 07:03:11 PM
While I understand the debate, personally if I were a Dallas fan I would not want to go back to Romo.  My only concern if I were dallas would be potentially facing the Giants in the divisional round. That's the only team they lost to so I don't see why anyone should be discussing this at this point. Situation is comparable to Denver last year but Dak has been performing well enoigh. Romo has done nothing in his career to make me think he could take this team to the Super Bowl.  If anything Romo maybe gets them a playoff win and Dakota does not. I see that as the trade off personally, but at the cost of mass debate about the team and would lead to a lot of talk in the off-season about Romo. I'd keep him for the remainder of the season if Dak got hurt and then trade or let him go end of season. He's old and Dak is the future, so let him play this out.

Eh, I do not agree.  Had the Broncos used that logic last year, they would have left Osweiler in there and likely do not win the Super Bowl.  If you can win it now, you do what you can to win it now.  Prescott seems mature enough to not act like a baby like Osweiler and leave town over it (or pout over it, since he's not a FA).


I'm sure Dallas is worried about quite a few teams, as they should be. The film is out on Dak.

I don't think so and it's not all on Dak either.  There were several missed opportunities, even on defense.  This isn't a major setback.  The 2 losses were only a combined 4 points.  It's not a big deal.

Right, but the offense only scoring 24 points in the last two games, 7 of which came after they got a turnover inside the Vikings 20, is a big deal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2016, 07:09:21 PM
While I understand the debate, personally if I were a Dallas fan I would not want to go back to Romo.  My only concern if I were dallas would be potentially facing the Giants in the divisional round. That's the only team they lost to so I don't see why anyone should be discussing this at this point. Situation is comparable to Denver last year but Dak has been performing well enoigh. Romo has done nothing in his career to make me think he could take this team to the Super Bowl.  If anything Romo maybe gets them a playoff win and Dakota does not. I see that as the trade off personally, but at the cost of mass debate about the team and would lead to a lot of talk in the off-season about Romo. I'd keep him for the remainder of the season if Dak got hurt and then trade or let him go end of season. He's old and Dak is the future, so let him play this out.

Eh, I do not agree.  Had the Broncos used that logic last year, they would have left Osweiler in there and likely do not win the Super Bowl.  If you can win it now, you do what you can to win it now.  Prescott seems mature enough to not act like a baby like Osweiler and leave town over it (or pout over it, since he's not a FA).

Not really, because Denver had a super bowl winning hall of fame QB to turn to.  Someone with the experience.  Dallas has a very good veteran QB, but not someone who has been there before so the logic is different.  Plus Manning was at the end of his career.  If Romo stays healthy he could have a few more years so if Romo plays and does decent, then things get very interesting next season for the Cowboys their QB money.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Rattlehead on December 15, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
Right, but the offense only scoring 24 points in the last two games, 7 of which came after they got a turnover inside the Vikings 20, is a big deal.

They did just play back to back road games against two of the best defenses in the NFL. The Giants game was in the bitter cold and neither team could really get much going on offense outside of 1 great play by both teams. It might not get a whole lot easier for them on Sunday though, considering how they're going up against another solid defense that is on fire right now... but Dallas plays pretty well at home, so I'd be shocked if they didn't get back on track and win that one.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 15, 2016, 07:48:47 PM
Those uniforms are awesome
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: pogoowner on December 15, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
Not really, because Denver had a super bowl winning hall of fame QB to turn to.  Someone with the experience.  Dallas has a very good veteran QB, but not someone who has been there before so the logic is different.  Plus Manning was at the end of his career.  If Romo stays healthy he could have a few more years so if Romo plays and does decent, then things get very interesting next season for the Cowboys their QB money.
Super Bowl experience or not, Romo, if he's at the same level as he was prior to the injury, is a far better player than 2015 Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 15, 2016, 08:44:38 PM
True.  Then again, Prescott is far better than Osweiler was, even last year.

Also, tonight's game looked unwatchable anyway, and then I turned it on for a second, saw those vomit green unis, and turned it off.  Gross.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: pogoowner on December 15, 2016, 09:34:48 PM
True.  Then again, Prescott is far better than Osweiler was, even last year.
Also true. It's a shame Denver's receivers are going to waste.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: DragonAttack on December 15, 2016, 09:35:12 PM
I wish the Rams would go 'all the way' with the throwbacks, as in pants and jerseys.

The blue helmet with the white horn is the best helmet EVER.

Ever. 

But, my gawd, the whatever Seattle unis forced me to turn the game off after two minutes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: El Barto on December 15, 2016, 09:37:32 PM
Man, how can a coach as fundamentally solid as Pete Carrol be such an idiot sometimes. The only thing you gain from converting on the fake punt is recognition for being a dick and trying to run the score up. The potential downsides include losing your fucking punter for no reason!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 15, 2016, 09:40:27 PM
True.  Then again, Prescott is far better than Osweiler was, even last year.
Also true. It's a shame Denver's receivers are going to waste.

They only have 5 TDs a piece this year, but they are 8th (Sanders) and 10th (Thomas) in receiving yards this year, which is still pretty darn good.  However, both are averaging under 13 yards per catch, which is way down from their career averages.  I won't mention receptions since that is an overrated stat nowadays.  By and large, I mostly agree with you, and I blame the offensive line.  They can't run the ball, which makes it harder to throw the ball, especially down the field.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 15, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
Man, how can a coach as fundamentally solid as Pete Carrol be such an idiot sometimes. The only thing you gain from converting on the fake punt is recognition for being a dick and trying to run the score up. The potential downsides include losing your fucking punter for no reason!

I didn't see the game, but since it took Jeff Fisher getting fired for Carroll to finally beat the Rams again, he was probably just a little excited.  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: orcus116 on December 15, 2016, 10:09:17 PM
I just saw those Seattle uniforms. Jesus fucking christ.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 15, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OJTaeQn.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: DragonAttack on December 16, 2016, 03:01:29 AM
I am so grateful that when my bosses say that I dress 'professionally', that I don't have to wear neon green or yellow clown outfits.

I feel for the college kids as well, that will look back on their playing days with a picture and have to say 'zoikes!...sorry Mom, what can I say, the Nike and Under Armour guys made millions off of me for that look.'
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Stadler on December 16, 2016, 07:34:13 AM
Not really, because Denver had a super bowl winning hall of fame QB to turn to.  Someone with the experience.  Dallas has a very good veteran QB, but not someone who has been there before so the logic is different.  Plus Manning was at the end of his career.  If Romo stays healthy he could have a few more years so if Romo plays and does decent, then things get very interesting next season for the Cowboys their QB money.
Super Bowl experience or not, Romo, if he's at the same level as he was prior to the injury, is a far better player than 2015 Peyton Manning.

Well, that caveat is a big one; I said almost five years ago, and am sticking to it now, that Tony Romo will NEVER win a Super Bowl.  Oh, he might be a back up on a Super Bowl winning team, I mean he will never be Phil Simms, or Trent Dilfer, or Peyton Manning and actually play 60 minutes and hoist the Lombardi Trophy. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 16, 2016, 07:37:16 AM
Man, how can a coach as fundamentally solid as Pete Carrol be such an idiot sometimes. The only thing you gain from converting on the fake punt is recognition for being a dick and trying to run the score up. The potential downsides include losing your fucking punter for no reason!

What was even more ridiculous is the size of the hole in the Rams special teams line.  Could've drove a dump truck through it.  Nobody rushed to try and block it.  Don't think I've ever seen that before.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2016, 03:47:43 PM
From the 'Only in Seattle' department, went to a kid's birthday party today and saw a couple wearing Seahawks jerseys: Him wearing #9 (Hauschka, the placekicker) and her wearing #4 (Ryan, the punter)

I saw an inordinate amount of Seattle jerseys at Disneyland this past week.  It was quite offensive, and I was tempted to lodge a formal complaint.  They shouldn't allow that kind of thing there.


EDIT:  @Kev regarding your comment about the Packers in the playoffs:  I just ran some scenarios on the ESPN playoff machine, and they really have an uphill battle getting in.  Not impossible, but really looking unlikely that they will pass the Vikings, Redskins, and Bucs to grab the #6 spot.  That 3-game losing streak is likely to be their undoing.  But I guess we'll see.  The bigger problem is, while it is going to be tough for them to even get it, it looks like it will be virtually impossible (i.e. theoretically possible, but not remotely realistic) for them to get in and Seattle not then get the #2 seed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 16, 2016, 04:43:21 PM
They won't need the 6 spot; they simply need to win their next two games, hope Detroit loses one of their next two (which is likely), and then win at Detroit week 17, to win the division.  It's not highly probable, but it's not nearly impossible either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2016, 04:45:21 PM
Oh, sure.  That could happen as well.  But that is one of those scenarios I mention where Seattle would move into the #2 spot, which is intolerable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 16, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
The return of Adrian Peterson, if he is healthy, could end up helping the Lions, since it will make it tougher for GB to beat them next week.  And GB has a much better shot at overtaking the Lions than the Vikings, who have to win out and have the Lions lose out, since the Lions have the head to head tiebreaker over them wrapped up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2016, 07:25:34 AM
Richard Sherman has turned into the biggest d-bag in the league.  As if becoming a dirty player wasn't bad enough (cheap shotting the kicker in that Buffalo game, and then that dirty hit from behind on Davante Adams last week), now he thinks he can tell the coaches what plays to call on offense.  He is a loud mouthed douche who takes himself way too seriously at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2016, 07:36:06 AM
I agree with all of that and I'd still want him on my team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2016, 07:44:13 AM
Eh, the Broncos defensive backfield is still aces, so we don't need him.  Now, if he can play offensive line, we'll take him... :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2016, 07:46:34 AM
 :lol

I look at him like Rodney Harrison.   No too many like that mold anymore. 

How are you feeling about the game Sunday?  Big, big loss with Marshall out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2016, 07:50:26 AM
I am figuring the Broncos will lose, barring winning the turnover battle in a big way.  I think NE will run Blount early and often, and given that the Broncos are poor against the run this year, it will be hard for them to get anything going for a while on offense, since NE will dominate the TOP and Siemian has been a notoriously slow starter.  I hope I am wrong. Even if they do make the playoffs, I think they'd be one and done anyway. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2016, 07:53:30 AM
Last year took a lot out of them and with a young QB there is a lot of growing pains.  It will still help them going into next year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2016, 08:00:21 AM
One thing a lot of people are missing is how important Manning really was last year, despite his massive drop off in stats.  His physical play had dropped off big time, but mentally he could still do it, especially when it came to reading defenses and checking from a bad play to a good play.  Siemian cannot do that, and with an offensive line that porous, it matters a lot.  I have to think that there are a lot of plays where the defense is set up to where they could surprise them with a good running play, but Siemian simply cannot read the defense like Manning could, so he runs the play that is called.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2016, 08:05:20 AM
His mind was still top notch.  He physically couldn't do it anymore with all those surgeries.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: TAC on December 17, 2016, 10:30:05 AM
One thing a lot of people are missing is how important Manning really was last year, despite his massive drop off in stats.  His physical play had dropped off big time, but mentally he could still do it, especially when it came to reading defenses and checking from a bad play to a good play.  Siemian cannot do that, and with an offensive line that porous, it matters a lot.  I have to think that there are a lot of plays where the defense is set up to where they could surprise them with a good running play, but Siemian simply cannot read the defense like Manning could, so he runs the play that is called.

A lot of people around here liked to bash Manning last year. I'm on record saying that they do NOT win the Super Bowl without him.


Siemian has been pretty good though, no? I see they've done nothing with their other QB. But from what I've seen of Siemian, I thought he's handled himself well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dream Team on December 17, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
One thing a lot of people are missing is how important Manning really was last year, despite his massive drop off in stats.  His physical play had dropped off big time, but mentally he could still do it, especially when it came to reading defenses and checking from a bad play to a good play.  Siemian cannot do that, and with an offensive line that porous, it matters a lot.  I have to think that there are a lot of plays where the defense is set up to where they could surprise them with a good running play, but Siemian simply cannot read the defense like Manning could, so he runs the play that is called.

A lot of people around here liked to bash Manning last year. I'm on record saying that they do NOT win the Super Bowl without him.


Siemian has been pretty good though, no? I see they've done nothing with their other QB. But from what I've seen of Siemian, I thought he's handled himself well.

He's a lot better than Osweiler was.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: axeman90210 on December 17, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
Fantasy finals this week, I've currently got Ertz in as my flex starter over Pierre Garcon but I'm tempted to play Bilal Powell. Would definitely start him if I knew Forte was going to be out, but that's not decided. Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 18, 2016, 06:59:32 AM
I just saw that 2 Star wars films have come out since a Browns win.  Wow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: cramx3 on December 18, 2016, 01:54:44 PM
That Giants defense!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 18, 2016, 02:11:27 PM
What a two weeks for the Titans. Beat the champs last week, and then win at KC this week??  Wow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dream Team on December 18, 2016, 02:14:05 PM
Proudest I've been of my team in awhile, coming back down 20-6 on the road with Burfict going nuts as usual.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: RoeDent on December 18, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
A whole bunch of really tight games in the 1:00pm kickoffs. Could have quite a few really significant games in Week 17 at this rate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 18, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
Had to believe that two months ago, Doug Pederson and Mike Zimmer were two of the leading candidates for Coach of the Year.  The Eagles are still a team with a young coach and rookie QB, so growing pains were to be expected, but the collapse by the Vikings is something very few saw coming.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 18, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
I can't remember the last time a Broncos/Patriots game was this boring.  Good defense is one thing, but this is just boring, which is magnified by the 1,944 commercials we're gotten.  The NFL product really sucks now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 18, 2016, 04:37:12 PM
I can't remember the last time a Broncos/Patriots game was this boring.  Good defense is one thing, but this is just boring, which is magnified by the 1,944 commercials we're gotten.  The NFL product really sucks now.

Both D are playing well.  Makes a boring game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 18, 2016, 04:38:19 PM
Just got back from the Ravens/Eagles game with my wife, the life long Eagles fan. We had an absolute blast.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 18, 2016, 04:51:13 PM
I can't remember the last time a Broncos/Patriots game was this boring.  Good defense is one thing, but this is just boring, which is magnified by the 1,944 commercials we're gotten.  The NFL product really sucks now.

Both D are playing well.  Makes a boring game.

The Broncos offensive line is disgustingly bad.  That better be Elway's number 1 priority in the offseason.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: King Postwhore on December 18, 2016, 05:12:21 PM
TJ Ward you flexing fucking idiot.

Thank you.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: KevShmev on December 18, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
Wouldn't have mattered.

You could give the Broncos offense another full half of football today and they wouldn't score two touchdowns.

DOC, good to hear.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dream Team on December 18, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
TJ Ward you flexing fucking idiot.

Thank you.

It's amazing how many NFL players just cannot contain their emotions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Dream Team on December 18, 2016, 05:16:34 PM
Just got back from the Ravens/Eagles game with my wife, the life long Eagles fan. We had an absolute blast.

That was a heck of a game. Philly didn't do me any favors by going for 2.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 18, 2016, 05:45:01 PM
Wouldn't have mattered.

You could give the Broncos offense another full half of football today and they wouldn't score two touchdowns.

DOC, good to hear.  :tup :tup

Thanks!

I joined DT.Net in 2004....so for the first time here...I can say that the Oakland Raiders have clinched a playoff berth.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Dak's Giant Problem
Post by: dparrott on December 18, 2016, 06:09:47 PM
First time for me too!  RAIDERS BABY!!!   :metal :metal  We only had 3 wins in 2014!  Never give up on your team, y'all!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 18, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
 :metal

A hell of a story for Oakland.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 18, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Truthfully, I'm probably as happy about the Raiders making the playoffs as fans of some teams would be about winning the Super Bowl.  Been a long time since Oakland was a winner. :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: pogoowner on December 18, 2016, 11:32:56 PM
Really glad to see the Raiders doing so well. Hopefully they can find a way to stay in Oakland.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: bosk1 on December 19, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Richard Sherman has turned into the biggest d-bag in the league.  As if becoming a dirty player wasn't bad enough (cheap shotting the kicker in that Buffalo game, and then that dirty hit from behind on Davante Adams last week), now he thinks he can tell the coaches what plays to call on offense.  He is a loud mouthed douche who takes himself way too seriously at this point.
This is not news.  Unfortunately, barring a catastrophic injury to Wilson, Sherman, or another key player, I think they have the #2 seed in the NFC locked up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: TAC on December 19, 2016, 02:48:37 PM
Richard Sherman has turned into the biggest d-bag in the league.  As if becoming a dirty player wasn't bad enough (cheap shotting the kicker in that Buffalo game, and then that dirty hit from behind on Davante Adams last week), now he thinks he can tell the coaches what plays to call on offense.  He is a loud mouthed douche who takes himself way too seriously at this point.
This is not news.  Unfortunately, barring a catastrophic injury to Wilson, Sherman, or another key player, I think they have the #2 seed in the NFC locked up.
...and a birth in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: bosk1 on December 19, 2016, 02:54:56 PM
Richard Sherman has turned into the biggest d-bag in the league.  As if becoming a dirty player wasn't bad enough (cheap shotting the kicker in that Buffalo game, and then that dirty hit from behind on Davante Adams last week), now he thinks he can tell the coaches what plays to call on offense.  He is a loud mouthed douche who takes himself way too seriously at this point.
This is not news.  Unfortunately, barring a catastrophic injury to Wilson, Sherman, or another key player, I think they have the #2 seed in the NFC locked up.
...and a birth in the Super Bowl.
Spell check that post there, King.  If they have a birth in the Super Bowl, I think more than a few will be shocked.  :lol 

As for them getting a Super Bowl berth, even if they get the #2 seed, it will be a tough road.  Not sure they make it.  And even if they do, the AFC has some solid teams.  We'll see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 19, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
So, apparently, somehow, the Panthers still have a 0.0004 % chance of making the playoffs.

* The Redskins (7-5-1) have to lose to Carolina, lose once more AND tie.

* The Panthers (5-8) have to win out, beating the Redskins, Falcons and Buccaneers.

* The Buccaneers (8-6) needs to lose out, to the Saints and Panthers.

* Green Bay (8-6) must lose out, to the Vikings and Lions.

* Minnesota (7-7) must beat the Packers but lose to the Bears.

* The Saints (6-8) need to defeat the Buccaneers, but lose to the Falcons in Week 17.

This will apparently force a four-way tie for 8-8 and the final wild card spot, which the Panthers would win.

That's just ridiculous.  But hey, math is math.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 03:35:29 PM
Damn, TAC, King'd. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2016, 03:36:45 PM
So, apparently, somehow, the Panthers still have a 0.0004 % chance of making the playoffs.

* The Redskins (7-5-1) have to lose to Carolina, lose once more AND tie.

* The Panthers (5-8) have to win out, beating the Redskins, Falcons and Buccaneers.

* The Buccaneers (8-6) needs to lose out, to the Saints and Panthers.

* Green Bay (8-6) must lose out, to the Vikings and Lions.

* Minnesota (7-7) must beat the Packers but lose to the Bears.

* The Saints (6-8) need to defeat the Buccaneers, but lose to the Falcons in Week 17.

This will apparently force a four-way tie for 8-8 and the final wild card spot, which the Panthers would win.

That's just ridiculous.  But hey, math is math.

Soooo you're saying there's a chance!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: TAC on December 19, 2016, 03:41:26 PM

...and a birth in the Super Bowl.
Spell check that post there, King.  If they have a birth in the Super Bowl, I think more than a few will be shocked.  :lol 

As for them getting a Super Bowl berth, even if they get the #2 seed, it will be a tough road.  Not sure they make it.  And even if they do, the AFC has some solid teams.  We'll see.

Thanks for acting like my grammer! ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 19, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
Good news for Niner fans.  You're still 1 game ahead of the Browns.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: pogoowner on December 19, 2016, 05:39:52 PM
Good news for Niner fans.  You're still 1 game ahead of the Browns.  :lol
I'm curious whether Chip Kelly survives into next season. I think Trent Baalke is as good as gone, but I'm leaning toward Kelly getting a second season for now. The roster is atrocious, firing someone after one year is never a good look, and I just can't picture the Yorks being okay with paying 3 head coaches at once.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 06:10:09 PM
Kev, what the hell is going on in Denver?  Emmanuel Sanders is going off about Butler.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 06:29:03 PM
Eh, all he said was that Butler didn't shut him down, which is true. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
It is but a few things. 

1. Butler didn't bring it up first.
2.  3 catches for I think 18 yards.
3.  Why bring this up after a bad loss?

I just don't get it.  It wasn't like Butler initiated this conversation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 06:35:25 PM
3 catches for 48 yards, actually. :P

I think he's probably just very frustrated because so many players are left on the field, largely because the offensive line stinks.  Imagine running routes and being open a lot and not being productive because the QB is on his back by the time you've made your cut and you're open.

Personally, I'm a much bigger fan of Sanders than Thomas right now.  I am sick of Thomas dropping catchable passes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
How many times did Siemian even attempt a pass in Sanders' direction? I don't remember a whole lot... I think someone made a comment about how Butler shut Sanders down and it pissed him off. This is the same offense that scored 13 points against Jacksonville and 10 against Tennessee. It's not exactly the kind of offense that you want to brag about shutting down  :lol They are a mess right now and Elway has a lot of work to do in the off season with both players and coaches.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 19, 2016, 06:38:40 PM
2 Star Wars films have been released since the last time Cleveland won a game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
Sanders has two targets in the first half.  I do remember that.  The patriots had no respect for their run game (nor should they) and basically rolled coverage over the top to make sure Sanders didn't beat them deep with his speed.  And Siemian has obviously been coached to not throw into double coverage, hence Sanders' lack of targets.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
Yeah, I figured it was a reporter that riled him.

Hef, I saw that yesterday. Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 06:47:38 PM
Can anyone remember off the top of their head when the last time the two Super Bowl teams from the previous season missed the playoffs the following season? Looks like we're going to see that this year  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 06:49:24 PM
Can anyone remember off the top of their head when the last time the two Super Bowl teams from the previous season missed the playoffs the following season? Looks like we're going to see that this year  :facepalm:

2003?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 06:51:39 PM
Can anyone remember off the top of their head when the last time the two Super Bowl teams from the previous season missed the playoffs the following season? Looks like we're going to see that this year  :facepalm:

2003?

You are correct, I just looked it up and it was the Bucs and Raiders that were the last two Super Bowl teams to miss the playoffs the following season. It's only happened 4 times in the "modern era." Well done, Denver and Carolina  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 06:55:28 PM
Hmmm, trying to remember the other times.  2001?  I cannot remember if the Ravens were back in the playoffs (pretty sure the Giants weren't).

1999 for sure, as the Broncos post-Elway and Falcons both fell way off.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 06:59:19 PM
According to the article that I found, these are the 4 pairs of SB teams that failed to make the playoffs the following season:

Washington and Denver in 1988

Denver and Atlanta in 1999

New England and St. Louis in 2002

Tampa Bay and Oakland in 2003

So as you can see, this is nothing new for Denver  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 07:10:35 PM
That just means we're in the Super Bowl a lot. :tup :tup

I wonder if any other team has had their starting QB retire in the offseason after winning the Super Bowl.  Denver has had it happen TWICE.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
That is a great point... in the grand scheme of things, being a Denver Broncos fan is awesome  :metal I love this team.

Can't think of any other teams that had their starting QB retire in the following season after a SB win off the top of my head though...  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: PowerSlave on December 19, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
Did you guys see the run by Jonathan Stewart? That was pretty impressive.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 07:32:41 PM
That is a great point... in the grand scheme of things, being a Denver Broncos fan is awesome  :metal I love this team.


Hell yeah!  I could make a huge list of great sports moments courtesy of the Broncos even if I didn't count the playoffs...

-The comeback win over the Chargers on MNF in 2012
-The comeback win over the Patriots on SNF last year
-The comeback win over the Chiefs in 1998 (trailed 21-7 and came back to win 35-31 to get them to 13-0 at the time); this might be my favorite regular season Broncos game ever
-Manning throwing 7 TDs against the Ravens
-That first win with Manning against the Steelers on SNF
-more magic than Elway than I can remember
-etc.

 :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 07:43:15 PM
The Drive of course.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 07:49:27 PM
That was in the playoffs, fool. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: TAC on December 19, 2016, 07:51:21 PM
Another great Bronco moment.

"They hate their coach."
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mHnOfmHrXJk/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 07:52:17 PM
Great list, Kev... Can't forget the "Holy Stokely" play against Cincinnati back in '09... I remember my cousin and I were going nuts in a sports bar after that play  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 07:53:36 PM
Nothing from the Josh McDaniels era would make my list, on principle alone.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 07:55:21 PM
I had to sit through an excruciating 59-14 loss against Oakland in person back in '10 courtesy of Josh McDaniels, so I hear you on that  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 08:00:06 PM
That was in the playoffs, fool. :biggrin:

I skipped over your fluff.  Or I didn't read regular season.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 08:00:45 PM
Plus, he was a cheating bastard.  The fact that he was fired for cheating once caught by the Broncos, and then immediately rehired by the Patriots, told us everything we needed to know about both organizations.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 08:03:36 PM
Yet you are ok with management cheating with the salary cap the 2 SB years.  All teams do that crap.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 19, 2016, 08:04:59 PM
That is pretty telling that one of New England's coaches goes to Denver, gets caught for cheating there and then goes back to New England, who gets caught for cheating again  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 08:07:38 PM
Kev, they all cheat.  We seen it again this year.  Why are you shocked? 

Besides Goodell will take care of.....Wait a minute.  :lol

Bedtime for me.  I will check in tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2016, 08:10:42 PM
(https://wallpapercave.com/wp/C23Anh8.jpg)

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2016, 08:11:36 PM
 :lol

Night!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 20, 2016, 02:37:48 PM
After last night's win, Panthers tight end Greg Olsen only needs 8 more receiving yards to become the first TE in NFL history with 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons.   :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Cool Chris on December 20, 2016, 04:46:52 PM
Doug Gottlieb was talking about possible MNF replacements if Gruden took a coaching job. Rex Ryan came up. I puked all over my keyboard.

While the Oakland didn't beat down the Chargers on Sunday, a beating did take place on the sidelines.

https://www.tmz.com/2016/12/20/chargers-masturbation-security-guard-criminal-investigation/

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on December 20, 2016, 05:14:27 PM
Post-Week 15 Power Rankings
1. New England - their defense, thought by many to be a concern, has now allowed the fewest points in the league
2. Dallas - gutsy win over an improved Bucs squad
3. NY Giants - the offense is still trying to get it together completely, but that defense is scary
4. Oakland - always impressive to win a road game in the AFC West
5. Kansas City - Chiefs biggest problem is their inability to put teams away, and that was on display on Sunday
6. Atlanta - back to back blowout wins without Julio Jones
7. Seattle - might luck into the 2 seed thanks to that non-call that allowed them to beat Atlanta, but this team isn't what it used to be
8. Pittsburgh - they never seem to win those road games where they come out flat, but they did this time
9. Detroit - this week is irrelevant; beating GB week 17 will be the test
10. Tampa Bay - despite the loss, there is a lot to like about this team


Trending Up:

Green Bay - on the verge of stealing the NFC North
Tennessee - I hated leaving them out of the top 10
Miami - looking to be the surprise playoff team this year

Trending Down:

Denver - 4-6 after a 4-0 start and will miss the playoffs
Philadelphia - this team needs WRs who can catch
San Diego - so many close losses this year

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - leads the league in QBR, and has a massive lead in YPA
1. Derek Carr - another 4th quarter comeback
3. Tom Brady - people who say he is clearly the MVP are delusional
4. Ezekiel Elliott - he make that offense go (okay, the o-line really does)
5. Marcus Mariotta - deserves a little love in the conversation
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dream Team on December 20, 2016, 07:58:36 PM
Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting hard-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: dparrott on December 21, 2016, 07:37:02 AM
So the latest on the California teams....SD is looking to move to LA.  Ugh.  If that happens, the Raiders have said they would go to SD.  The thought of "San Diego Raiders" sickens me.  And it's just moving from one bad stadium to another!  I heard that the Raiders would want to build a new stadium down there, but that plan has its own difficulties.

If the Chargers move to LA, I heard that they might change their branding and/or their name.  I know the Chargers started out in LA, but the name seems lame to me, and the branding is old and not good enough for LA. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 21, 2016, 08:58:44 AM
Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting had-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.

Talking to a Steelers fan/co-worker this morning about precisely the same thing. Cincinnati's dirty play has undone the Steelers last two playoff runs. The Steelers and Ravens rivalry is still among the league's best, and the teams go about it the right way. The Bengals are too toxic to find themselves in the same breath.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 21, 2016, 09:21:18 AM
Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting had-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.

Talking to a Steelers fan/co-worker this morning about precisely the same thing. Cincinnati's dirty play has undone the Steelers last two playoff runs. The Steelers and Ravens rivalry is still among the league's best, and the teams go about it the right way. The Bengals are too toxic to find themselves in the same breath.

Agreed all around, it should be a great Christmas day showdown!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2016, 09:25:26 AM
So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 21, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2016, 09:35:28 AM
And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

Yea I am OK with that.  Salvation Army got lots of donations right after that.  But then again, I am fine with players celebrating in general and think the NFL is too harsh sometimes on that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 21, 2016, 09:53:50 AM
So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 21, 2016, 09:55:23 AM
And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

Yea I am OK with that.  Salvation Army got lots of donations right after that.  But then again, I am fine with players celebrating in general and think the NFL is too harsh sometimes on that.
Same here.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 21, 2016, 09:55:36 AM
But you know......integrity.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Stadler on December 21, 2016, 09:55:40 AM
And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

Yea I am OK with that.  Salvation Army got lots of donations right after that.  But then again, I am fine with players celebrating in general and think the NFL is too harsh sometimes on that.

Look, I'm no Cowboys fan, and I waste no opportunity to rag on Jerry Jones (in particular), but c'mon.  First, fining Elliot is ludicrous, and even if they do, I imagine that it would be even MORE publicity for what (I think) is a good cause.  I thought that was really fun and playful and exciting (and again, I'm no Cowboys fan).


By the way, on that line, have to say, REALLY impressed by Dez Bryant.  Always dismissed him as a thug and a member of Jerry's Merry band of Outcasts, but he's really shown a lot of growth in my opinion.  I might be turning into a fan, actually. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Stadler on December 21, 2016, 09:56:40 AM
So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.

Were there ANY against the Pats that were legit?   :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2016, 10:00:28 AM
If they were to fine Elliot, the only way I would say that's alright is if the fine went to salvation army and not to the league.  Like do somehting good with that money, but in reality it just doesn't make sense given the context.

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.

Im thinking he didn't know the rules on walkie talkies.  Which is ok, ignorance does not make it OK.  And I agree that if they were talking after that 15 second cut off, then it does give an advantage, but dealing on the fly with a broken headset gives them a disadvantage for a moment too just to resettle into the walkie talkies, but then as you mention, it's only 5 plays.  Not like the game was blown because of it, heck they didn't even score on that drive, and the intent was not to cheat.  Granted, if they lost the 4th round pick too then I probably wouldn't complain either.  I just don't get the comparisons of cheating when a team was just trying to deal with the situation on hand not intently trying to go around the system.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 21, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
If they were to fine Elliot, the only way I would say that's alright is if the fine went to salvation army and not to the league.  Like do somehting good with that money, but in reality it just doesn't make sense given the context.

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.

Im thinking he didn't know the rules on walkie talkies.  Which is ok, ignorance does not make it OK.  And I agree that if they were talking after that 15 second cut off, then it does give an advantage, but dealing on the fly with a broken headset gives them a disadvantage for a moment too just to resettle into the walkie talkies, but then as you mention, it's only 5 plays.  Not like the game was blown because of it, heck they didn't even score on that drive, and the intent was not to cheat.  Granted, if they lost the 4th round pick too then I probably wouldn't complain either.  I just don't get the comparisons of cheating when a team was just trying to deal with the situation on hand not intently trying to go around the system.

They did go around the system. That's the thing.

5 plays in a game that ended up being 10-7 could have made a huge difference.

Whatever happened to QBs thinking on their own... not relying on coach in their headset? I would think Eli's been doing this long enough (read, his whole life) to be alright without communications from the sidelines.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: El Barto on December 21, 2016, 10:15:09 AM
It honestly seems like it was much ado about nothing. Still, it's nice to see that rules apply to teams that aren't the Patriots.

As long as we're on the subject of the Giants and that integrity of the game bullshit, I'm surprised the under-inflated balls in the Giants/Steelers game never came up. "But commissioner Goodel, they were tested on the sideline and were more than a pound underweight?"

(https://ircimg.net/128614528711.jpg)
Shut Uuuuup.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dream Team on December 21, 2016, 06:05:32 PM
Just found out the douchebags in charge are only airing the Steelers-Ravens game on NFL Network.  :tdwn
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 21, 2016, 07:02:14 PM
Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting had-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.

Talking to a Steelers fan/co-worker this morning about precisely the same thing. Cincinnati's dirty play has undone the Steelers last two playoff runs. The Steelers and Ravens rivalry is still among the league's best, and the teams go about it the right way. The Bengals are too toxic to find themselves in the same breath.

Yes and no.  The Broncos were better than the Steelers last year, so you can't clearly saying, "Antonio Brown not playing is why they lost."  It sure helped the Broncos, but the way the Steelers play offense that game and the Broncos play defense completely changes if Brown is in that game. 

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

Because Patriots fans have this persecution complex, as if their team is the only one that NFL has laid the hammer down on, ignoring the fact that the penalty the Saints got a few years ago was more harsh than any the Patriots have received this century.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 21, 2016, 07:06:04 PM
I think we are looking for equality when we know how imperfect the league is.  Let's not pretend what owners are in charge here Kev.

Just because the Saints got railroaded doesn't mean we are blind.  It's the other penalties or lack of that frustrate us.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 21, 2016, 07:52:04 PM
Equality is a pipe dream.

As for what owners are in charge, Kraft is one of them. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 21, 2016, 08:12:37 PM
It is and you well know even in the owners there is a hierarchy.   

And jealousy.   And Goodell is their puppet.   Protect the owners unless the other owners want blood.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: El Barto on December 21, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
If equality is a pipe dream why even watch the game? Inequality in the talent and skill of the clubs makes it a sport. Inequality in the rules makes it a farce.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 22, 2016, 03:59:24 AM
Exactly. The owners want to punish as they please.  2020 will be very interesting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Stadler on December 22, 2016, 06:34:37 AM
So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

Because Patriots fans have this persecution complex, as if their team is the only one that NFL has laid the hammer down on, ignoring the fact that the penalty the Saints got a few years ago was more harsh than any the Patriots have received this century.

And what they did was more harsh.  That's not a real comparison.  I don't see any scenario short of a Rube Goldberg device that gets 16 under-inflated footballs to translate into ending the career of a young, talented player.  The Saint's guillotine scheme could have done that on just about any play from scrimmage. 

As for what owners are in charge, Kraft is one of them. 

So how does that play out?  No matter how you look at it, no matter if you're the biggest Jets fan on the planet, Goodell f-ed the Patriots.  If Kraft is really the "man behind the curtain" (or one of them) how does that play in?   It's a great theory, but no theory can just ignore the facts that don't conveniently fit in.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 22, 2016, 06:39:02 AM
Just found out the douchebags in charge are only airing the Steelers-Ravens game on NFL Network.  :tdwn

For real? You local to Pittsburgh? I think the local broadcast is WPXI 11 (NBC's station in Pittsburgh)...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dream Team on December 22, 2016, 07:07:44 AM
Just found out the douchebags in charge are only airing the Steelers-Ravens game on NFL Network.  :tdwn

For real? You local to Pittsburgh? I think the local broadcast is WPXI 11 (NBC's station in Pittsburgh)...

Not local. Also, lol:

https://twitter.com/WizardOfBoz09

"random" drug test  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 22, 2016, 07:47:29 AM
Not local. Also, lol:

https://twitter.com/WizardOfBoz09

"random" drug test  :lol

Yeah I saw that too  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 22, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
I've caught flack on this page thru the years for being bold enough to put Cousins before RG3 before it was cool... Luck before RG3 before it was no brainer.... Brady's 2013 season being more impressive than Manning's 2013 season etc........ so it should come as no surprise that I wholeheartedly agree with this....

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Oh and Dak in the pro bowl before Drew Brees.... do they not understand what a Pro Bowl is?  Oh well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: El Barto on December 22, 2016, 10:51:08 AM
One of those guys helped to lead a team to a completely unexpected 12-2 record. The other is languishing in an underachieving 5-8-1 club. Picking an MVP out of those two is child's play.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2016, 11:05:29 AM
One of those guys helped to lead a team to a completely unexpected 12-2 record. The other is languishing in an underachieving 5-8-1 club. Picking an MVP out of those two is child's play.

True, MVP doesn't usually come from a losing team, but I do think he's had a much better season and maybe is a better running back than Elliott but to be most valuable means you need to be on a winning team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: El Barto on December 22, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
So I have a coworker that got a DWI quite a few years back. She and her husband went to a friend's house with the intention of spending the night there and drinking a bottle of Wellers (her biggest sin, IMO). They were up late drinking and eventually all went to bed. Later that night she was awakened by a cop from a near comatose state in her car in a ditch off the side of the road. She had absolutely no recollection of anything beyond deciding it was time to go to bed. Her best guess was that maybe she decided to go for a pack of smokes or something, but had no understanding of how she got to where she was. This was total blackout territory. I can't help but to think that the punitive aspect of DWI enforcement is meaningless in a situation such as this. She made no conscious decision to drive drunk. Her mistake, aside from the quality of hooch, was in getting so drunk in the first place, but that's no crime and she had every intention of doing so responsibly.

Now, I'm not putting this out there to defend her actions. She's the first to accept responsibility for what went down, even if was beyond her control. Yet I just read a scathing editorial about the Patriot's signing of Michael Floyd, and I can't help but think that the newly released details of his arrest are being used make the thing more egregious than I think it was. From my standpoint some dumb frat-boy driving with a .10 has far more culpability than somebody who's fucked up to the point of losing any semblance of functionality, mental or physical. If he'd just been your run of the mill variety DUI, rather than some "super extreme" thing, people would be rightly calling for him to receive the standard NFL sanction. I believe that's a 1 game suspension and 2 game checks. I might actually call that a little too lenient. But between his remarkably high BAC and the video of him passed out he's suddenly history's greatest monster. The fact that it was the Patriots that signed him certainly doesn't lessen people's indignation.

People here already know my opinion that DWI enforcement is remarkably full of shit, but this case isn't applicable. I want people punished for driving while impaired. Yet I'd like for the punishment to be tied to reason rather than emotion, and I don't think that's the case here. Whether that applies to the State of Arizona is probably better discussed in a forum we can no longer use, but as it applies to the NFL is a different matter. Here's an instance where Goodell might well be inclined to use the standard penalty yet has no choice to but to ring him up indefinitely because of the perceived severity of the offense. This is why rules matter.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 22, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
David Johnson should be the offensive player of the year, but his team is 5-8-1, so he doesn't belong anywhere near the MVP discussion.

Stadler, compared to the Saints losing their coach for a year, the punishment the Patriots received for Spygate was a slap on the wrist. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: King Postwhore on December 22, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
I agree Kev but at the time that was the Bigest penalty and just the start of Goodell's reign of terror.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 22, 2016, 12:07:34 PM
People seem to forget that the Cowboys were 12-4 in 2014, and what all went wrong for them in 2015. It's not like this was a team that has been sad for years.  This was a championship contending team from jump street and their o-line should split the MVP award. Zekes good....but if Murray was still there...they're probably still right where they are....probably better since that 4th overall pick could have gone elsewhere.

NFL League MVP and the Heisman Trophy.....more often then not....terrible awards.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 22, 2016, 12:39:53 PM
People seem to forget that the Cowboys were 12-4 in 2014, and what all went wrong for them in 2015. It's not like this was a team that has been sad for years.  This was a championship contending team from jump street and their o-line should split the MVP award. Zekes good....but if Murray was still there...they're probably still right where they are....probably better since that 4th overall pick could have gone elsewhere.

Exactly this, that's why a player with great stats on a good team doesn't mean that player is the "most valuable player" in the league.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dream Team on December 22, 2016, 03:09:06 PM
MVPs usually get rewarded for having better teammates.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2016, 04:22:54 PM
Win and in for the Giants tonight!  :yarr
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: PowerSlave on December 22, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
NFL League MVP and the Heisman Trophy.....more often then not....terrible awards.

I agree that the Heisman is terrible if you measure it to how it translates to the NFL. Most of the guys who win it have terrible, or mediocre pro careers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: orcus116 on December 22, 2016, 06:53:58 PM
MVPs usually get rewarded for having better teammates.

This is more prevalent in baseball I'd wager.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 22, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
MVPs usually get rewarded for having better teammates.

This is more prevalent in baseball I'd wager.

Not this year...Mike Trout won the AL MVP despite his team not contending.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I don't even think Betts was the Sox' MVP. It was definitely Ortiz.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: orcus116 on December 22, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
MVPs usually get rewarded for having better teammates.

This is more prevalent in baseball I'd wager.

Not this year...Mike Trout won the AL MVP despite his team not contending.

Broken clock, etc. Trout should've had more MVPs but there are a lot of people out there that, incorrectly, think "Well this guy wasn't on a playoff team so...".

Back to football, Giants have GOT to stop convincing themselves that they have a running game. I know it's part of the game but they have their back running directly into the middle of a converging O-Line/D-Line more often than not.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: orcus116 on December 22, 2016, 07:32:25 PM
What a fucking bullshit roughing the passer call.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 22, 2016, 07:33:50 PM
What a fucking bullshit roughing the passer call.


That was terrible.

Dak is having a great year...but it's clear that he isn't in Wentz's league. Dude is legit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: orcus116 on December 22, 2016, 10:02:50 PM
The superficial Cowboys fans from New York, which I still don't get, are having their fun.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2016, 10:09:02 PM
Giants cant come from behind this year.  They had so many opportunities thanks to defensive stops, but couldn't get a touchdown when needed and the refs certainly didn't make things easier
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: orcus116 on December 22, 2016, 10:16:42 PM
Refs were certainly odd this game. They called the love tap/innocent slide as roughing the passer but neglected to call the blatant defensive entanglement on Shepard as PI.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 22, 2016, 11:53:57 PM
Refs were certainly odd this game. They called the love tap/innocent slide as roughing the passer but neglected to call the blatant defensive entanglement on Shepard as PI.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: pogoowner on December 23, 2016, 12:16:04 AM
Wentz went all out on that flop, too, my goodness.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 23, 2016, 11:54:53 AM
A cell phone on the Giants sideline? You would have thought that they would have learned.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 23, 2016, 06:53:35 PM
Nice to see the Eagles still playing hard when they have nothing to play for but pride. It's going to be tough for the Giants to go anywhere in the playoffs without a competent running game. Living in NJ, I hear a lot of comparisons of this years Giants team to Eli's SB teams... I'm just not seeing it. The defense is really solid, but the offense is too one dimensional. You will always have a chance with a good defense, veteran leadership with Manning and a dynamic playmaker like Beckham, though...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: KevShmev on December 23, 2016, 08:53:45 PM
The Giants weapons on offense are overstated. Beckham is one of the top two WRs in football and Shephard is a good young WR, but their TEs are useless, they can't seem to figure out how to utilize their stable of RBs, and Cruz has no burst left. And let's face it, Eli's play has declined.  Their D is going to have go beast mode every week in the playoffs for them to have a chance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 24, 2016, 10:38:53 AM

Dak is having a great year...but it's clear that he isn't in Wentz's league. Dude is legit.

 :lol Wentz who?  When people talk about Dak, Wentz is nowhere near that conversation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: orcus116 on December 24, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
The Giants weapons on offense are overstated. Beckham is one of the top two WRs in football and Shephard is a good young WR, but their TEs are useless, they can't seem to figure out how to utilize their stable of RBs, and Cruz has no burst left. And let's face it, Eli's play has declined.  Their D is going to have go beast mode every week in the playoffs for them to have a chance.

Yeah it's been a tough watch and this last game was one where all the offense needed to do was back up the D but no dice.


Dak is having a great year...but it's clear that he isn't in Wentz's league. Dude is legit.

 :lol Wentz who?  When people talk about Dak, Wentz is nowhere near that conversation.

Really? Dak has definitely looked better due to an amazing O-line and run game but I've heard people say that in the end Wentz will most likely have the better career. Talk is cheap, I know, but there's a general feeling that the Cowboys are 12-2 in spite of Dak, not because of him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: El Barto on December 24, 2016, 11:46:49 AM
Wentz plays behind an elite O-line. And all I keep hearing is that Zeek is a product of that line, which should apply to Matthews/Sproles, as well. Dak lacks explosiveness but he's got a good head on his shoulders and surprising maturity for a rookie. You also need to factor in value which is a slam-dunk for Dak. Also, Prescott doesn't have the pressure on his shoulders that Wentz does after Phili mortgaged the team to pick him number 2. Five years from now CW might be better, though I'm not so sure, but right now the comparison is ludicrous. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 24, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
Wentz plays behind an elite O-line. And all I keep hearing is that Zeek is a product of that line, which should apply to Matthews/Sproles, as well. Dak lacks explosiveness but he's got a good head on his shoulders and surprising maturity for a rookie. You also need to factor in value which is a slam-dunk for Dak. Also, Prescott doesn't have the pressure on his shoulders that Wentz does after Phili mortgaged the team to pick him number 2. Five years from now CW might be better, though I'm not so sure, but right now the comparison is ludicrous.

And how many weeks has Wentz had his starting oline?

It's the eyeball test. Look at Wentz pre snap...post snap......he's got elite potential.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: axeman90210 on December 24, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
Well, so much for the Jets at least playing the Patriots tough :lol

And what makes it worse is that I might well for the second week in a row lose a FF final because my opponent had the D/ST of the Jets opponent and put up big numbers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 24, 2016, 02:20:26 PM
Cleveland gets a win!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 24, 2016, 02:23:24 PM
Congratulations to the Browns.  It's never good for football if any team has a winless season.  I'm happy for em.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: PowerSlave on December 24, 2016, 04:56:46 PM
Anyone else see Carr's injury? Not good for the Raiders.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 24, 2016, 05:46:27 PM
And now...David Johnson has just done something that hasn't been done since Barry Sander's MVP season. Oh the irony.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 24, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
Anyone else see Carr's injury? Not good for the Raiders.

Yeah, really bad; broken leg.  I think the season is completely shot now; finally get to back to the playoffs and now this.  McGloin or Cook...Davis should throw some money at Manning or Favre and see if they would come back for one more go.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: El Barto on December 24, 2016, 06:04:25 PM
Some great games today. Even better if you're an orthopedic surgeon. Miami/Buffalo and SEA/AZ both had great finishes.

Didn't see Carr's injury, but Locket's was pretty gnarly. All the more so because of a really close spot that necessitated lots of replays. Never seen that happen before.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Cool Chris on December 24, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
Yikes Seahawks. Tie the Cardinals 6-6 earlier, then lose to them 34-31.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Rattlehead on December 24, 2016, 08:27:51 PM
Wentz plays behind an elite O-line. And all I keep hearing is that Zeek is a product of that line, which should apply to Matthews/Sproles, as well.

You do realize that the Eagles were missing one of their best offensive lineman in Lane Johnson for 10 games right? They had to shuffle guys out of their natural positions to compensate for his loss and because of other injuries, and it got pretty messy. Dallas on the other hand has had their offensive line in tact pretty much the entire season if I'm not mistaken. I haven't come across many people that would argue that the Eagles offensive line is on the same level when healthy/suspension free. Their run game has struggled at times because Mathews is injury prone and continues to prove each year that he cannot handle being a starting back in this league. Sproles is more of a scat back that can only handle so many carries.

Things will get interesting once Wentz has more consistency on the offensive line, better receivers and a better running game like Dak has. I also think he has more potential from what I've seen. I'm not knocking Dak either because I like what I've seen from him as well for the most part.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 24, 2016, 10:39:57 PM
Anyone else see Carr's injury? Not good for the Raiders.

That was ugly. I might hate the Raiders, but you never root for injuries, and as a fan of the sport, you hate to see a playoff team lose their best player two weeks before they start. 

And now...David Johnson has just done something that hasn't been done since Barry Sander's MVP season. Oh the irony.

If he doesn't win Offensive Player of the Year, it's a serious joke.

Matt Ryan, on the flip side, should have the MVP locked up now.  He should be the runaway winner.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2016, 07:24:28 AM
How is this for a sickening thought:

if the Raiders lose next week and the Chiefs win tonight and next week, the Chiefs steal the AFC West and the 2 seed back, the Raiders become a wild card, and the first round would see Matt Savage vs. Matt McGloin.

Excuse me while I go vomit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: King Postwhore on December 25, 2016, 07:31:01 AM
Yeah.  I feel really bad for Carr.  That kid came into his own this year and to have it happen on this run, this late in the season is not good for the league. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2016, 07:48:30 AM
For sure.

Also, it looks like the Broncos can make the playoffs if they win their last two games, Miami loses to NE next week (and the Patriots will need to win to secure home field), and the Chiefs beat the Chargers next week.  That would put the Broncos into a tie for the 6 seed with Miami, and since they'd both have a 7-5 conference record, the Broncos would win the next tiebreaker (record vs common opponents). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Rattlehead on December 25, 2016, 08:56:07 AM
I'm really hoping our boys can pull off a win tonight, Kev... I just heard that Justin Houston will probably not play. The problem is, Denver has a few key players out too (Marshall, Ward, possibly Wolfe). Both offenses have struggled a lot lately and neither fan base seems very confident, but of course KC has a big advantage with the home prime time game. Hopefully it will be a defensive slug fest because with the way Denver's offense has been for the last month, that seems like the only way they would have a chance tonight  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Shooters1221 on December 25, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
How is this for a sickening thought:

if the Raiders lose next week and the Chiefs win tonight and next week, the Chiefs steal the AFC West and the 2 seed back, the Raiders become a wild card, and the first round would see Matt Savage vs. Matt McGloin.

Excuse me while I go vomit.

Agreed, they're so unknown that nobody remembers they're name.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2016, 10:40:16 AM
My hopes are not high, Rattlehead.  Their o-line is so bad right now, but anything can happen.

Also, I was glad to see Seattle lose yesterday, so Atlanta can win next week and get the bye, meaning that blown non-call in the Atl/Sea game didn't influence who got a bye and who didn't.  Granted, if that is called correctly at the time and Bryant hits the FG, the ripple effect would mean Atlanta would be 11-4, already have a bye locked up, and Dallas would then need one more win to clinch, so that non-call could end up benefiting Detroit, who might get a Dallas team not firing on all cylinders tomorrow night (Detroit can clinch a wild card at worst if they win tomorrow).  As it stands now, if the Lions lose tomorrow, GB beats Detroit next week, and Washington wins next week, the Lions would miss the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2016, 10:40:44 AM
How is this for a sickening thought:

if the Raiders lose next week and the Chiefs win tonight and next week, the Chiefs steal the AFC West and the 2 seed back, the Raiders become a wild card, and the first round would see Matt Savage vs. Matt McGloin.

Excuse me while I go vomit.

Agreed, they're so unknown that nobody remembers they're name.

LOL, Tom Savage.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM

Dak is having a great year...but it's clear that he isn't in Wentz's league. Dude is legit.

 :lol Wentz who?  When people talk about Dak, Wentz is nowhere near that conversation.

Really? Dak has definitely looked better due to an amazing O-line and run game but I've heard people say that in the end Wentz will most likely have the better career. Talk is cheap, I know, but there's a general feeling that the Cowboys are 12-2 in spite of Dak, not because of him.

 :lol That sounds like what a press conference reporter would say.  Since when can anybody predict who will have the better career?  That's a pointless discussion and not worth mentioning.  What is worth mentioning is the fact that Dak is just as much a part of their success as his teammates.  It's a team sport.  If there's a general feeling otherwise, then people haven't been paying attention.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - The Carr Drives to the Playoffs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 25, 2016, 11:50:18 AM

Dak is having a great year...but it's clear that he isn't in Wentz's league. Dude is legit.

 :lol Wentz who?  When people talk about Dak, Wentz is nowhere near that conversation.

Really? Dak has definitely looked better due to an amazing O-line and run game but I've heard people say that in the end Wentz will most likely have the better career. Talk is cheap, I know, but there's a general feeling that the Cowboys are 12-2 in spite of Dak, not because of him.

 :lol That sounds like what a press conference reporter would say.  Since when can anybody predict who will have the better career?  That's a pointless discussion and not worth mentioning.  What is worth mentioning is the fact that Dak is just as much a part of their success as his teammates.  It's a team sport.  If there's a general feeling otherwise, then people haven't been paying attention.

Watch Wentz with your eyeballs next week. Dude is legit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 25, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
DoC, nobody said he wasn't legit.  You said that Dak was clearly not in Wentz's league and that is just ridiculous.  Maybe you didn't see Dak with your eyeballs last week when he threw 32/36 for nearly 300 yds and a rushing TD.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 25, 2016, 04:15:05 PM
DoC, nobody said he wasn't legit.  You said that Dak was clearly not in Wentz's league and that is just ridiculous.  Maybe you didn't see Dak with your eyeballs last week when he threw 32/36 for nearly 300 yds and a rushing TD.

I watched....and he has been impressive....but he's on an all star offense....he had better put up those sort of  numbers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 25, 2016, 04:35:53 PM
Very pleased with the Ravens effort this far
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dream Team on December 25, 2016, 05:34:23 PM
Thanks NFL for preventing me from seeing this glorious comeback on live TV.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 25, 2016, 05:36:08 PM
What an incredible game.....but if the Ravens aren't going to trust Flacco's arm enough to take a shot......we don't deserve to win.....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dream Team on December 25, 2016, 06:24:00 PM
What an incredible game.....but if the Ravens aren't going to trust Flacco's arm enough to take a shot......we don't deserve to win.....

Hats off to you DOC, great game between 2 great teams. Ravens are better than their record and will be back next year for sure.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: PowerSlave on December 25, 2016, 06:38:15 PM
What an incredible game.....but if the Ravens aren't going to trust Flacco's arm enough to take a shot......we don't deserve to win.....

It would have been 60 yards (give or take). That's a tough pass for any QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 25, 2016, 06:40:15 PM
What an incredible game.....but if the Ravens aren't going to trust Flacco's arm enough to take a shot......we don't deserve to win.....

Hats off to you DOC, great game between 2 great teams. Ravens are better than their record and will be back next year for sure.

Yes sir...hell of a game. Bell was a beast...and Brown's determination on that last score......it's clear that if anyone can stop New England from winning the conference.....it's Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 25, 2016, 07:31:41 PM
Don't really care for either team but I would've preferred a Pitt loss.  It really came down to whoever had the ball last with a reasonable amount of time on the clock.  Nevertheless, good football for fans in general.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: PowerSlave on December 25, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2016, 08:55:44 PM
I don't get why the Ravens didn't attempt a Hail Mary at the end - Flacco has the arm to easily get it there - but that loss is on the defense; epic gag job.

Shameful effort in the 1st quarter tonight by the Broncos. They obviously have mailed it in.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dream Team on December 25, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
Lol Broncos treating the ball like a hot potato.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 25, 2016, 09:38:07 PM
I was totally expecting a Flacco Hail Mary at the end.  *Sighs*
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2016, 10:02:36 PM
That TD at the end...serves the defense right for playing like they did tonight.

Having said that, the Broncos will hopefully give the Chiefs an FU for that next week by laying down to the Raiders and ensuring that the Chiefs stay a wild card team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Rattlehead on December 25, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
What an embarrassing game. The Broncos don't seem to have an identity any more... their defense has become soft to the point where anyone could run all over them, and their effort has been questionable lately. The TJ Ward play last week when he body slammed Edelman comes to mind. It just feels like they gave up on the season weeks ago. The Miller contract also doesn't seem so great any more. As great of a player as he is, I'm not so sure any LB is worth that kind of money. There's a reason why Belichick traded away Jamie Collins. This team has a lot of work to do in the off season to say the least.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: KevShmev on December 26, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
They weren't the same after the defensive collapse and Kubiak's questionable decision to attempt that long FG against KC a month ago.  1-3 since, with 43 points scored (about half of which the defense basically scored, like last night's TD being set up by an INT return to the 5).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: dparrott on December 26, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
Anyone else see Carr's injury? Not good for the Raiders.

Yeah, really bad; broken leg.  I think the season is completely shot now; finally get to back to the playoffs and now this.  McGloin or Cook...Davis should throw some money at Manning or Favre and see if they would come back for one more go.

It doesn't look good, yes, but it ain't over until it's over!  Carr could join them in the Super Bowl...if they get that far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: PowerSlave on December 26, 2016, 08:36:23 PM
Anyone else see Carr's injury? Not good for the Raiders.

Yeah, really bad; broken leg.  I think the season is completely shot now; finally get to back to the playoffs and now this.  McGloin or Cook...Davis should throw some money at Manning or Favre and see if they would come back for one more go.

It doesn't look good, yes, but it ain't over until it's over!  Carr could join them in the Super Bowl...if they get that far.

On the halftime report of tonight's game, ESPN reported that it would be 6-8 weeks minimum and he wouldn't be able to return to the team until spring mini-camps. The surgery is scheduled to take place on Tuesday (tomorrow). The super bowl is on February the 5th. I'm certainly not a doctor, but that seems to be pushing it way too early. Then again, when Ben had his knee surgery earlier this season, I expected him to be gone for awhile and he only missed one game, so anything is possible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 26, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
LOL Dez Bryant has his 1st career TD pass to Jason Witten.  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: pogoowner on December 26, 2016, 09:05:21 PM
Anyone else see Carr's injury? Not good for the Raiders.

Yeah, really bad; broken leg.  I think the season is completely shot now; finally get to back to the playoffs and now this.  McGloin or Cook...Davis should throw some money at Manning or Favre and see if they would come back for one more go.

It doesn't look good, yes, but it ain't over until it's over!  Carr could join them in the Super Bowl...if they get that far.

On the halftime report of tonight's game, ESPN reported that it would be 6-8 weeks minimum and he wouldn't be able to return to the team until spring mini-camps. The surgery is scheduled to take place on Tuesday (tomorrow). The super bowl is on February the 5th. I'm certainly not a doctor, but that seems to be pushing it way too early. Then again, when Ben had his knee surgery earlier this season, I expected him to be gone for awhile and he only missed one game, so anything is possible.
You never know, he could pull a Terrell Owens. Seems highly unlikely, though, as does the Raiders actually making it that far with McGloin at QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Chargers suffer a BROWNOUT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 26, 2016, 09:08:07 PM
LOL Dez Bryant has his 1st career TD pass to Jason Witten.  :rollin

The Cowboys are certainly not interested in coasting into the playoffs. Their offense has been exciting as hell tonight.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 27, 2016, 09:49:12 AM
They gone

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/27/bills-fire-rex-ryan/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Gutted both brothers. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: bosk1 on December 27, 2016, 10:31:58 AM
As much as I am happy for the Raider and was pulling for them this season, with Carr out, they don't realistically have a chance of going all the way, IMO.  So I would actually be happy seeing KC steal the #2 spot back, since I think it would benefit their chances and that they legitimately do have a chance of going all the way.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
I really feel bad for Carr.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on December 27, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
I really feel bad for Carr.

And Raider nation, sucks a lot. However, as a PSU alum, I'm actually more interested in the raiders now to see Mcgloin play. For a walk on who amazingly made his way to a starter in college and some how undrafted made his way to an NFL roster and got some playing time, it'll be interesting to see if he can make something out of his opportunity. Granted I don't expect much but no one ever has out of him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on December 27, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
Post-Week 16 Power Rankings
1. New England - THE team to beat
2. Dallas - will have a tougher time in the much tougher NFC
3. Kansas City - Tyreek Hill gives them an element they didn't have before
4. Atlanta - offense is setting records, but is the D good enough?
5. Green Bay - set to make a run
6. Pittsburgh - tough home win secures the 3 seed
7. Oakland - tough to drop a 12-3 team down to 7, but losing Carr is a season-killer
8. NY Giants - offense just can't seem to get it together
9. Miami - helluva turnaround this year, but can they make a dent in January?
10. Seattle - this team simply isn't what it used to be


Trending Up:

New Orleans - finishing strong
Arizona - we just saw the team many thought would contend for the title
Houston - still a fraud, but they won their division

Trending Down:

Detroit - can they save the season?
Denver - A lot to fix this offseason
Tampa Bay - as quickly as they looked like a contender, they turned back into a pretender

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - should be the hands down winner (but won't be)
2. Derek Carr - he'll miss the last game, but should still finish 2nd
3. Tom Brady - another season where he's the best QB not having the best season
4. Aaron Rodgers - shook off the early season slump and looks better than ever again.
5. Ezekiel Elliott - his MVP case is still being overstated - DeMarco Murray ran for more yards behind the same line two years ago - but is still worthy of staying in the convo
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2016, 06:49:49 PM
If Matt Ryan wins this weekend he'll win the MVP.  Too many national media saying Brady not playing the first 4 games will stop them from voting for him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 06:52:41 PM


MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - should be the hands down winner (but won't be)
2. Derek Carr - he'll miss the last game, but should still finish 2nd
3. Tom Brady - another season where he's the best QB not having the best season
4. Aaron Rodgers - shook off the early season slump and looks better than ever again.
5. Ezekiel Elliott - his MVP case is still being overstated - DeMarco Murray ran for more yards behind the same line two years ago - but is still worthy of staying in the convo

My MVP easily goes to Prescott. How can you not put him in the Top 5?

Seems some will hold the 4 games Brady did not play in against him, but what about the (at least) 4 games Rodgers did play in and sucked? No way he can be MVP.

 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 27, 2016, 06:58:32 PM
Help me out: in which four games did Rodgers suck?

With Prescott, I have no doubt that the Cowboys would have been just as good with Romo in there, therefore Prescott's value isn't as high.  Plus, he caught teams off guard early since he was a rookie, so his degree of difficult wasn't high early on.  Honestly though, I do think Brady, Rodgers, Elliot and Prescott are all pretty interchangeable from 3-6.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 07:01:39 PM
Didn't Romo play last year? What was their record?


Help me out: in which four games did Rodgers suck?

  shook off the early season slump 

^
Those four. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2016, 07:04:07 PM
You know Kev when the tea loses 4 in a row the QB is blamed even though he's not the reason.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 27, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
Romo missed most of last season. They were 3-1 when he started and 1-11 when he didn't. *belches*

Even during Rodgers slump, he still wasn't playing awful; just not up to his usual high standards.  The Dallas game was the one I can say he played poorly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 27, 2016, 07:05:24 PM
You know Kev when the tea loses 4 in a row the QB is blamed even though he's not the reason.

Yeah, by media nimrods and half wits who call into sports talk. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2016, 07:06:29 PM
Oh shit.  I've called in 5 times in my life. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 07:06:43 PM
Romo missed most of last season. They were 3-1 when he started and 1-11 when he didn't. *belches*

Gotcha! *farts*
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 27, 2016, 07:09:01 PM
Oh shit.  I've called in 5 times in my life. :lol

 :face palm:

Boston sports talk hosts complaining about Spygate and Deflategate was probably like throwing red meat to the wolves. :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 07:12:54 PM
Oh shit.  I've called in 5 times in my life. :lol

Who did you call? What were your takes?


I've never called. The only time I ever picked up the phone was to call Dale Arnold's show when Ray Bourque was traded. But I never went through with it.

 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2016, 07:13:22 PM
Actually.  I didn't on those. :lol. BTW, at first most thought Brady was guilty.  It changed when the league did their thing.  There are some that harass the fandom.


The times I called was to respond to dumb callers.


Like the internet. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 07:14:24 PM
Yup. Sports Talk Radio is like DTF Live.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2016, 07:14:53 PM
Oh shit.  I've called in 5 times in my life. :lol

Who did you call? What were your takes?


I've never called. The only time I ever picked up the phone was to call Dale Arnold's show when Ray Bourque was traded. But I never went through with it.

A few about Beckett playing golf.  Ect.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 27, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
Yeah, well, they only get so many off days. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: RoeDent on December 28, 2016, 03:43:54 AM
Tampa Bay's playoff scenario is absolutely brilliant! They need 7 results to go their way, including winning themselves, the 49ers beating the Seahawks, AND WAS-NYG tying. So that's not going to happen. Maybe we should have a little sweepstake as to how close they get though; how many elements of the scenario will go their way?

Bucs, Lions, Titans, 49ers, Colts and Cowboys ALL winning, plus Washington-Giants tying.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Nick on December 28, 2016, 10:00:13 AM
the 49ers beating the Seahawks

Maybe, if the Seahawks send out their practice squad.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 28, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
I don't believe Dallas would be where they are now with Romo as the starter.  He's too injury prone, not as mobile and doesn't make good passing decisions.  That's probably the most impressive thing about Prescott.  Minimizing turnovers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 28, 2016, 01:30:53 PM
Prescott has been great at avoiding turnovers, but of course it sure helps when you are rarely in 3rd and long because your running game is so dominant.  That said, he has been pretty great.

Change of topic, it's almost kind of sad how irrelevant Andrew Luck has become.  No one barely talks him anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 28, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
That GM/Coach combo in Indy is blowing his talent.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 28, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
That GM/Coach combo in Indy is blowing his talent.

I think that is true to some degree, but the more you look at it, the more that looks less true. Okay, their o-line is awful, but it's a common misperception that they have no other talent on that team.  Last year, the Colts went 6-3 in games Luck didn't start.  6-3!! Hard to believe that a team many would have us believe is "Luck and the Bums" could win six out of nine games without said quarterback. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 28, 2016, 01:52:39 PM
Kev, how are we supposed to have a sports conversation around here when you keep injecting actual facts?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 28, 2016, 01:54:19 PM
That GM/Coach combo in Indy is blowing his talent.

I think that is true to some degree, but the more you look at it, the more that looks less true. Okay, their o-line is awful, but it's a common misperception that they have no other talent on that team.  Last year, the Colts went 6-3 in games Luck didn't start.  6-3!! Hard to believe that a team many would have us believe is "Luck and the Bums" could win six out of nine games without said quarterback.

I look at the offensive line and how bad the D is. The public battles have hurt Luck.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on December 28, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
That GM/Coach combo in Indy is blowing his talent.

I think that is true to some degree, but the more you look at it, the more that looks less true. Okay, their o-line is awful, but it's a common misperception that they have no other talent on that team.  Last year, the Colts went 6-3 in games Luck didn't start.  6-3!! Hard to believe that a team many would have us believe is "Luck and the Bums" could win six out of nine games without said quarterback.

To be fair, their backup QB last season could have easily been a starter for many other teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: pogoowner on December 28, 2016, 02:45:50 PM
That GM/Coach combo in Indy is blowing his talent.

I think that is true to some degree, but the more you look at it, the more that looks less true. Okay, their o-line is awful, but it's a common misperception that they have no other talent on that team.  Last year, the Colts went 6-3 in games Luck didn't start.  6-3!! Hard to believe that a team many would have us believe is "Luck and the Bums" could win six out of nine games without said quarterback. 
Their gameplans suddenly became a lot better when they had the backup QB in, though. They didn't ask him to stand back there and get killed trying to throw the ball down the field like they did with Luck.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 28, 2016, 03:55:26 PM
Kev, how are we supposed to have a sports conversation around here when you keep injecting actual facts?

My apologies. :biggrin:

I look at the offensive line and how bad the D is. The public battles have hurt Luck.

Okay, but if the o-line and D is so bad, how did they go 6-3 w/o him?


To be fair, their backup QB last season could have easily been a starter for many other teams.

Who, Matt Hasselbeck?? Come on, now.


Their gameplans suddenly became a lot better when they had the backup QB in, though. They didn't ask him to stand back there and get killed trying to throw the ball down the field like they did with Luck.

That might be true, but if the talent is so depleted and the coaching staff is so bad, it seems weird that any game plan could have gotten them to 6-3 w/o Luck.

I think most are finally realizing that Luck is not as great as everybody thought he would be.  He is a good QB, no more, no less.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 28, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
Kev, I think the team has stunted him.  He is being hurt by management.   You can't deny that. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on December 28, 2016, 07:41:37 PM
I think it's both.  He is not being helped by management, in regards to his offensive line, but I still see way too many mistakes, even on plays where he had time to throw.  He just hasn't evolved into the great QB we all thought he would.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 28, 2016, 07:51:43 PM
I think it's all on management.   You have a franchise QB, it's up to you to nature him to allow him to grow.  Indy has not.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on December 28, 2016, 09:08:51 PM


To be fair, their backup QB last season could have easily been a starter for many other teams.

Who, Matt Hasselbeck?? Come on, now.


Definitely. It's true that he was at the end of his career, but he was still a lot better than many of the starting QB's in the league that were much closer to their prime. Some of them were rookies/young guys that hadn't/haven't developed yet (Bortles, Bridgewater ect. ect...). While there were others that just plain stunk up any stadium that they stepped into (Kaepernick, QB Browns 1-5).

Note: I'm not as critical of Kaepernick as most other fans are. I think that he's a victim of his environment more so than being a poor player. However, I still would have taken MH over him on any given week last season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: dparrott on December 29, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
Yup. Sports Talk Radio is like DTF Live.

Full of opinionated people who frequently drift off topic....yep....nailed it!  I don't listen to sports radio much, but when I do, I sure don't want to listen to people blabbing for several minutes about non-sports things.   :\
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2016, 06:40:24 AM
So I have PFT on TV right now, and Florio is Dontari Poe. My issue isn't using a play like that in a game they were winning handily. It's that they should've saved it for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on December 29, 2016, 03:05:18 PM
https://fox59.com/2016/12/28/andrew-luck-admits-underachieving-season-is-tough-to-swallow/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark






The headline is practically begging for some sort of juvenile humor. DTF, please don't let me down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dream Team on December 29, 2016, 05:05:27 PM
Really compelling argument at Football Outsiders that Matt Ryan is pretty clearly the MVP.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: FracturedMirror on December 30, 2016, 10:05:30 AM
After my initial panic, I quickly calmed down.  I think the Raiders will be alright.  McGloin's an underdog and a fighter with something to prove.  Raiders have been here before with a backup named Plunkett that did alright.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s552x414/15726311_880742595396156_3512930912389973147_n.jpg?oh=309085c77f6df3fb477f07fbe44ad21a&oe=58ECE6F4)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 30, 2016, 10:46:37 AM
I'll say it Oakland and 'THE BOYS'.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on December 30, 2016, 10:52:47 AM
N.E. would have open arms hosting The Raiders.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2017, 09:22:35 AM
Kubiak likely stepping down because of health issues.  :(
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on January 01, 2017, 09:28:50 AM
Yeah I read that.  That sucks.  He's a very good coach but his health is his #1 priority.

Pats no happy with the field conditions this morning in Miami.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: pogoowner on January 01, 2017, 09:34:06 AM
Trent Baalke and Chip Kelly both out in SF. And leaked a day before Chip has to coach a game, in typical Jed York fashion.  :\

I agree with them both being fired, I'm just tired of the way the organization is run.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on January 01, 2017, 09:35:47 AM
The ownership is the real problem in SF.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on January 01, 2017, 09:36:40 AM
WTF with coaches being fired after 2 years. Doesn't make any sense. Wasn't Belichick 5-11 his second year in NE?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2017, 11:58:37 AM
No, just his first year.

Meanwhile, Cleveland is going to beat the Steelers scrubs today and cost themselves the 1st overall pick. :lol :lol

Which will make that 1st overall pick really happy. :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on January 01, 2017, 01:04:18 PM
No, just his first year.

Meanwhile, Cleveland is going to beat the Steelers scrubs today and cost themselves the 1st overall pick. :lol :lol

Which will make that 1st overall pick really happy. :rollin :rollin

There's a definite upside to this for all Steelers fans. Landry Jones is on track to put the final nail in the coffin of his playing career.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: orcus116 on January 01, 2017, 01:07:41 PM
I know they're playing the Bills but the Jets are squandering a couple of draft pick slots right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on January 01, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
Jesus what a block by Floyd to spring Endelman for a TD.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on January 01, 2017, 01:35:07 PM
Jesus what a block by Floyd to spring Endelman for a TD.

No shit!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2017, 01:36:11 PM
Barring the Dolphins scoring three touchdowns late and then Seattle pitching a shutout later, New England will lead the league in points allowed.  Amazingly, that's the first time they've done that in the Belichick era.  Coach of the Year, easy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: King Postwhore on January 01, 2017, 01:50:20 PM
Suh up to his antics again and Blount is dumb enough to respond.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: orcus116 on January 01, 2017, 01:50:24 PM
I know they're playing the Bills but the Jets are squandering a couple of draft pick slots right now.

I take this back. A Pop Warner team could beat the Bills the way they're playing today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 01, 2017, 02:00:38 PM
Speaking of Pop Warner, that's where Mark Sanchez belongs.   :lol The guy is horrible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dream Team on January 01, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
Lol Browns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 01, 2017, 04:33:03 PM
Did you expect them to win? :lol More like LOL Pitt.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: PowerSlave on January 01, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
Did you expect them to win? :lol More like LOL Pitt.

As bad as the Steeler's backups on offense at the skill positions usually are(excluding DeAngelo Williams), yes, the Browns should have won that game today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 01, 2017, 05:29:05 PM
Well, they almost did but it wasn't generally expected.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 01, 2017, 05:46:17 PM
Did you expect them to win? :lol More like LOL Pitt.

No....whatever the opposite of lol Pitt is more fitting. Injuries to Bell and Brown helped to ruin their last two playoff runs undoubtedly prompted the wise decision to sit the aforementioned allpros along with the QB. And Pittsburgh losing to ANYONE without those 3 playing wouldn't be anything to laugh about.....and remember...I'm a Ravens fan
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: DragonAttack on January 01, 2017, 06:21:05 PM
Well, pencil in the Pats hosting the winner of KC-Pitt for the AFC title.

NFC:  depends on tonight's game.  Stakes are big:  win, have the home crowd behind you, and host the Giants.  No easy feat, but the odds are even.  Lose, and go to Seattle.  As someone who suffered too long with the Lions, my heart is with them.  Logic and history are another story.

As to the Ravens:  was hoping for 9-7 after last year's injury riddled disaster.  But....wow, a game that meant nothing, and the only play out of a bag of tricks was a failed from the start lineman eligible pass.  It felt like Matt Cavanaugh was back at OC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 01, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
Did you expect them to win? :lol More like LOL Pitt.

No....whatever the opposite of lol Pitt is more fitting. Injuries to Bell and Brown helped to ruin their last two playoff runs undoubtedly prompted the wise decision to sit the aforementioned allpros along with the QB. And Pittsburgh losing to ANYONE without those 3 playing wouldn't be anything to laugh about.....and remember...I'm a Ravens fan

Bingo. Bring on Miami!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: orcus116 on January 01, 2017, 06:24:33 PM
Well, pencil in the Pats hosting the winner of KC-Pitt for the AFC title.

NFC:  depends on tonight's game.  Stakes are big:  win, have the home crowd behind you, and host the Giants.  Lose, and go to Seattle.  As someone who suffered too long with the Lions, my heart is with them.  Logic and history are another story.

As a Giants fan I'm curious how you feel about facing them again if it comes to that. Honestly, I'm not confident at all in the Giants offense but their defense may be able to squeak out a win or two (at best) in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dream Team on January 01, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
Sadly, the main thing I am worried about next week is cheap shots from Suh. He's as bad as Burfict.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2017, 06:43:36 PM
Cousins pissed away the Redskins playoff chances with two god awful INTs. 

If there is any justice, Matt Ryan locked up the MVP today.

I can't believe I am saying this, but I feel bad for the Raiders. Losing Carr cost them the division and a first round bye. Brutal way to end what had been a magical season for them.  The football gods were not kind to them.

That said, I am glad the Broncos sent Kubiak out a winner.  He has meant a lot to that organization over the years - OC as the two SB winners in the late 90s and the head coach of last year's winner - and will forever be a winner in the eyes of Broncos fans. :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: cramx3 on January 01, 2017, 06:49:54 PM
Hoping Detroit wins tonight, as a Giants fan, I would rather play there than at Green Bay.... but going through Green Bay almost seems appropriate for the Giants.

In reality, I don't see the Giants as a real contender.  The offense just isn't good.  The defense is lights out, but the offense needs just a little more to make them a dangerous team.  Granted, good defense helps on the road in the playoffs, but the offense is that bad.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 01, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
So now that we have our final 12.....here is my order of want.

1. Detroit
2. Atlanta
3. Kansas City
4. Oakland
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Miami
8. Houston
9. Green Bay
10. New York
11. New England
12. Pittsburgh

That said...I fully expect New England to defeat Dallas or Green Bay in the Super Bowl
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TAC on January 01, 2017, 07:19:32 PM
Since they can no longer deflate footballs, I just don't see them having a chance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Rattlehead on January 01, 2017, 08:48:30 PM
I'm really pleased with the Broncos' effort today and glad we sent Kubiak off with a win. They really kicked the Raiders' asses, and that will always get me excited no matter what either team's record is. At this point, I'm rooting for pretty much anyone in the NFC to win the Super Bowl. Can't get behind anyone in the AFC right now besides maybe Miami. I'll be shocked if Miami doesn't lose by at least 14 points against Pittsburgh next weekend, though  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2017, 09:54:35 PM
Wild Card Round Power Rankings
1. New England - offense and defense are both clicking
2. Dallas - set up to finally get back to the big game
3. Kansas City - will be deadly in the divisional round, given Andy Reid's record following byes
4. Atlanta - will be a tough out, with that offense lighting everyone up
5. Green Bay - Rodgers is playing as good as anyone right now
6. Pittsburgh - defense doesn't scare anyone, but Bell and Brown are two of the best skill position players in the league
7. NY Giants - offense doesn't scare anyone, but that defense is playing lights out
8. Seattle - the fear factor is gone
9. Detroit - better than many think, but will have a tough team at Seattle
10. Oakland - terrible QB luck down the stretch
11. Houston - mediocre team won a bad division
12. Miami - showed great improvement, even if one and done is likely

MVP
1. Matt Ryan
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Derek Carr
4. Tom Brady
5. Dak Prescott

Coach of the Year
1. Bill Belichick
2. Jack Del Rio
3. Jason Garrett
4. Dan Quinn
5. Adam Gase

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 02, 2017, 05:20:52 AM
Here's my order of who I want to win it all.

01: Detroit
02: Oakland
03: Atlanta
04: Kansas City
05: New York
06: Green Bay
07: Houston
08: Dallas
09: Seattle
10: Miami
11: Pittsburgh




12: A nuclear winter wiping out all life on Earth

























13: New England
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 06:50:39 AM
I love the hate.  I'm looking forward to a 5th Championship.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 02, 2017, 07:21:45 AM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 07:25:22 AM
I still look forward to a 5th trophy.  The past is the past.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 02, 2017, 07:29:12 AM
(https://img.discogs.com/QdfDtabmJEkygci948Pu5pHxQJE=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-266391-1257334527.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 07:31:12 AM
 :lol

I'm trying to pull a BB.  We're onto the playoffs. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: axeman90210 on January 02, 2017, 07:41:46 AM
Well Joe, here's to hoping that a fifth trophy remains something you look forward to for a long time :lol

One benefit of the Jets playing a meaningless game against the Bills yesterday was I ended up getting to go to the game and have a decent seat for $40 (including my share of the parking pass). Got to see a Jets win, although annoyed that we left just before the fluke special teams touchdown we scored because the Bills just decided not to field a kickoff.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 02, 2017, 07:43:08 AM
Exactly. :lol :tup

I sure hope you savored the easy schedule the Patriots had this year.  It's shockingly easy when you go back and look at it. And the divisional round might as well be another bye. :lol

edit: this post was to Joe.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TAC on January 02, 2017, 07:46:38 AM
I still look forward to a 5th trophy.  The past is the past.

Scenes from St. Louis..

(https://www.hhweb.com/photos/ws2004/04WSMartinezShillingOrtiz_small.jpg)

(https://blog-blogmediainc.netdna-ssl.com/upload/SportsBlogcom/58406/0252710001453413472_filepicker.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 02, 2017, 07:53:55 AM
Where are the scenes from Denver? :P

Fun facts: the Brady/Belichick Patriots have lost four road playoff games; three of them were in Denver, and three of them were to Peyton Manning. :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TAC on January 02, 2017, 07:58:34 AM
Denver? Never heard of it. I have no recollection of any game played in Denver. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 08:10:42 AM
Exactly. :lol :tup

I sure hope you savored the easy schedule the Patriots had this year.  It's shockingly easy when you go back and look at it. And the divisional round might as well be another bye. :lol

edit: this post was to Joe.

First, I savor this every day.  I will never see a run like this again in my lifetime.  Second, it's like the stars aligned for the playoffs too Kev! We will not have to play KC or Pitt until the AFC Championship game. 

I'll take esy or a hard schedule.  In 2014 it was a very tough schedule so it's the luck of the draw.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 08:20:51 AM
BTW Kev, even though the schedule was easy this year, to go 8-0 on the road is an amazing accomplishment.   Their 2 losses were at home and that in itself is a rarity.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 02, 2017, 08:32:02 AM
The NFL does a great job with scheduling :tdwn   I don't understand no byes before Thursday games, two teams facing off after one had a bye the previous week, West Coast teams playing a Sunday or Monday night, and then travelling east for a 1pm start the next, etc.  Yesterday, it certainly wasn't fair for the Lions to have a road game in Dallas, and then TWO less days off than the Packers.  Had it mattered, I'd say the same about the Cowboys travelling to Philly. 

But, what do I know?  Here, for your entertainment, were my preseason picks:
********************
AFC playoffs.....NE, KC, Indy, Cinn, Denver and the Ravens as WC (injuries, the schedule, and 'luck' won't be as horrible as last year for Balto).  Steelers and NYJets barely miss out.
NFC playoffs.....GB, Caro, Sea or Ariz in the West, runner up as WC.....and, good grief, I have to pick two others?  Uhm, the team SE of Central Michigan, and the other team that moved from Cleveland at one time

Final Four the same as Kev.  GB-KC for the lonnnnng awaited rematch, Pack to win again.
*********************
So glad I proofread this initially, as I didn't even pick an NFC East team :facepalm:  I would have taken the Giants or Potatoes, so it shows how well I can pick 'em at times.  I actually thought the Rams D and their move would give them a winning season?

At least my year wasn't as bad as the one Reggie Bush had

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/bills-rb-reggie-bush-nfl-history-saddest-article-1.2931776?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fnets+(Sports%2FBasketball%2FNets)

Comment on Gary Kubiak:  the best OC the Ravens have had for an entire season this century.  Denver was THE only HC position he would have taken after that 2014 season (sigh).  Kudos for what he did with the Broncos, sorry for the continuing health issues, now take that deserved rest......though I do know there's a team that would love to have you back as OC..................

The playoffs:  the Cowboys have to be pulling for Detroit to top Seattle, otherwise they get the Packers-Giants winner, and I 'feel' either one has 'it' to win in Dallas.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: dparrott on January 02, 2017, 08:53:15 AM
Speaking of Pop Warner, that's where Mark Sanchez belongs.   :lol The guy is horrible.

Speaking of Pop Warner, that's what the Lambs looked like against AZ.  I was there to personally witness that horror.   ::)  Thought it was going to be a LITTLE closer than that....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 02, 2017, 09:20:18 AM
Did you expect them to win? :lol More like LOL Pitt.

No....whatever the opposite of lol Pitt is more fitting. Injuries to Bell and Brown helped to ruin their last two playoff runs undoubtedly prompted the wise decision to sit the aforementioned allpros along with the QB. And Pittsburgh losing to ANYONE without those 3 playing wouldn't be anything to laugh about.....and remember...I'm a Ravens fan

Oh, Pitt losing to anyone (including the Ravens) is always something to laugh about.  They're gonna need more than those 3 players to make a run.  Especially if they make it to NE.


Speaking of Pop Warner, that's where Mark Sanchez belongs.   :lol The guy is horrible.

Speaking of Pop Warner, that's what the Lambs looked like against AZ.  I was there to personally witness that horror.   ::)  Thought it was going to be a LITTLE closer than that....

Should've been closer but with those two teams, you never know what you're gonna get.  Could have easily gone the other way.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - DAK ATTACK!
Post by: KevShmev on January 02, 2017, 09:23:50 AM
BTW Kev, even though the schedule was easy this year, to go 8-0 on the road is an amazing accomplishment.   Their 2 losses were at home and that in itself is a rarity.

It is.  They were definitely fortunate with even the timing of the road game scheduling - getting the Steelers without Ben; the Broncos near the end of the season when the offense was a mess; Miami yesterday when they essentially had nothing to play for - but it is what it is.

The NFL does a great job with scheduling :tdwn 

Along these lines, the two playoff Saturday night games are not good.

First, Detroit at Seattle.  Okay, the two AFC games are dreadful, so Detroit at Seattle is the 2nd best game of the weekend, most likely.

However, the NE divisional round game is the following Saturday night.  That's awful.  Considering they are guaranteed to get a team with a bad QB, that is guaranteed to be a stinker of a game.

Now, I get that the late Sunday game is basically THE prime time game of the first and second rounds, so putting GB/NYG and then the Dallas game on then makes sense, but you gotta figure that Atlanta vs Sea/GB/NYG should be great in the divisional round, yet it's already stuck as the 3:30 Saturday game (which is usually the least attractive game). 


Oh, Pitt losing to anyone (including the Ravens) is always something to laugh about.  They're gonna need more than those 3 players to make a run.  Especially if they make it to NE.

If they beat Miami, beating the Chiefs in KC will a very tall order.  Andy Reid teams are always awesome after a bye, and the Steelers won't feast on them like they did back in October, not in Kansas City.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 02, 2017, 09:31:07 AM
Yeah, KC is a very dangerous team indeed.  It doesn't seem too difficult to imagine a KC/NE AFC championship.  What a game that would be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 02, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
I'm glad everyone is counting the Steelers out. This is the first time the triplets will be healthy and active for the playoffs.

I'll be rooting hard for the Giants this weekend, if Steelers make it to the dance I want no part of Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 02, 2017, 11:25:40 AM
I'm glad everyone is counting the Steelers out. 

Everyone is not doing that.  Practically everywhere you look, KC and Pittsburgh are being viewed as the only teams in the AF with any real shot of winning at NE.


Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 02, 2017, 11:35:07 AM
Watched the Jed York (49ers owner) press conference and the stupid questions never cease to amaze me.  Some guy asked why he shouldn't be dismissed. :lol Uh, owners don't get fired or dismissed.  Gotta admit, he handled the criticism pretty well.


...if Steelers make it to the dance I want no part of Aaron Rodgers.

Help me out here. What's the connection between the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 02, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
Watched the Jed York (49ers owner) press conference and the stupid questions never cease to amaze me.  Some guy asked why he shouldn't be dismissed. :lol Uh, owners don't get fired or dismissed.  Gotta admit, he handled the criticism pretty well.


...if Steelers make it to the dance I want no part of Aaron Rodgers.

Help me out here. What's the connection between the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers?

The super bowl a few years back when he lit the steeler's secondary up. It got a little ugly.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 02, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Playoff lineup looks good. Something memorable always happens at this time of year, regardless of the teams involved. Some surprises in there too. I mean, who had Oakland, Miami or even Dallas in the playoffs at the start of the season? Bring it on!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
I'm glad everyone is counting the Steelers out. 

Everyone is not doing that.  Practically everywhere you look, KC and Pittsburgh are being viewed as the only teams in the AF with any real shot of winning at NE.

Weirdly enough I'm more afraid of KC and I shouldn't be.  I think the Pats match up well against Pitt but that doesn't mean they can't beat us.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 02, 2017, 12:37:45 PM
'Schedules' for 2017   https://www.fbschedules.com/nfl/2017-nfl-football-schedules.php 

Divisional round comments:  I miss the old days of the early and late afternoon Saturday games (not a fan of the 3pm/630pm conference final starts as well).   Some times the rotations work as to who plays on what days, some times they don't.

The early divisional Saturday game:  I'm ready to watch the best weekend of football of the year, am figuring on Sea/Atlanta, and will enjoy almost every minute.  I have no idea if I'll be awake for the 2nd half or not of the nightcap.  The early game has had its share of being the best of the round (Balto-Denver, anyone?)

Back when the Ravens were always part of the mix, it was amazing how much complaining took place by fans as to what days the games were played, as well as the times.  The divisional round was set in stone before the season even took place, but you couldn't convince some of them of that fact (#1 AFC on Saturday one year, on Sunday the next).  Same with the time of the conference championships.  Since ESPN and NBC got into the TV mix, I have no clue anymore as to how the first two rounds get scheduled.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TAC on January 02, 2017, 12:51:53 PM
So I don't get why the 49ers even hired Chip Kelly. Why hire, then fire after ONE year?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 12:53:05 PM
So I don't get why the 49ers even hired Chip Kelly. Why hire, then fire after ONE year?

That is on ownership.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 02, 2017, 12:54:03 PM
One last thing, it helps to be able to smile when you make the playoffs

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=detroit%20free%20press 

https://giphy.com/gifs/falling-YM5sCzJLC9O9i
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 02, 2017, 12:54:25 PM
So I don't get why the 49ers even hired Chip Kelly. Why hire, then fire after ONE year?

Classic actions of an organization that doesn't know what it's doing. Hiring him in the first place was a mistake.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 02, 2017, 01:00:36 PM
So I don't get why the 49ers even hired Chip Kelly. Why hire, then fire after ONE year?

Classic actions of an organization that doesn't know what it's doing. Hiring him in the first place was a mistake.

They're beginning to resemble the browns. Factory of Sadness West.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 02, 2017, 02:29:23 PM
Watched the Jed York (49ers owner) press conference and the stupid questions never cease to amaze me.  Some guy asked why he shouldn't be dismissed. :lol Uh, owners don't get fired or dismissed.  Gotta admit, he handled the criticism pretty well.
That's Lowell Cohn. He loves to stir the pot with stupid questions like that. I'm all for being critical of ownership, but come up with something decent to ask.

And yeah, firing Chip Kelly was not a mistake. Hiring him and pairing him with Baalke was. Should've started with a fresh GM/HC combo last year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 02, 2017, 02:38:16 PM
"So in one game Fitzpatrick had as many picks as NE and Dallas combined for an entire season? You have to admit that’s impressive."

This was posted before the Dallas game before butt fumble threw 2 making it 6 for Dallas but it's still funny.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: dparrott on January 02, 2017, 09:06:16 PM
So both my teams could possibly be knocked out on Saturday.  That should be fun.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: jammindude on January 02, 2017, 09:28:56 PM
My Seahawks are completely lost as a team.   Such a shame.   The fire of 2013 is gone.   In fighting....injuries....worst OL in the NFL....    They will squeak out a win at home against the Lions....but they will get slaughtered in the divisional.   

I still hold out hope that the core is young enough to give us a better run next year if we get a better OL and an attitude adjustment.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Cool Chris on January 02, 2017, 09:43:41 PM
I think I heard the O-Line is the lowest paid in the NFL. They need to stop trying to Frankenstein the line together with guys who played other positions. It's not working.

Otherwise, I think our window for another SB is still open, but only by a crack. Schneider can still evaluate talent well and Carroll has a few years left at the helm. And of course payroll won't become an issue.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 03, 2017, 07:07:37 AM
I thought Perfect Strangers made it Baalke wasn't familiar with American customs, let alone American football.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: dparrott on January 03, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
  They will squeak out a win at home against the Lions....

I'm not even confident of that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
So I don't get why the 49ers even hired Chip Kelly. Why hire, then fire after ONE year?

Classic actions of an organization that doesn't know what it's doing. Hiring him in the first place was a mistake.

I agree that hiring him was part of them being lost and not knowing what they were doing.  It was clear when they dumped Harbaugh that they didn't have a plan in place to actually fill that void.  Same the following year when they hired Kelly.  But, IMO, it is just as stupid firing him now.  They clearly STILL don't have a plan for what to do now.  And like him or hate him, he's a decent coach who had NOTHING in place to work with.  They had decent starters at the beginning of the year in many positions.  But as a whole, even their starting roster was pretty thin.  The bench was EXTREMELY thin.  Couple that with all the injuries they had at the start of the year, and there was nothing any coach could have done with that team.  The 49ers record is not a reflection on Kelly at all, IMO.  He should have at least been given a chance to see what he could do and to develop some personnel among the player ranks and the coaching staff.  Typical 49ers front office shortsightedness to fire him without any backup plan in place.  I guarantee you that they have no clue who they will hire to fill the void, and you will once again see them scrambling to find even a third tier coach late in the game who is available and willing to come.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 03, 2017, 11:33:58 AM
The problem, though, is that Baalke had to go. He and Kelly's staff weren't communicating with one another from I've been reading. But you're not going to attract a top candidate at GM if you're trying to saddle him with Kelly (I also don't think Kelly has shown enough signs of adapting his offense to the NFL). I think completely cleaning house was the way to go. Now, am I confident in Jed York and Paraag Marathe hiring a good candidate? Absolutely not. But they should at least try.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
The problem, though, is that Baalke had to go. He and Kelly's staff weren't communicating with one another from I've been reading. But you're not going to attract a top candidate at GM if you're trying to saddle him with Kelly (I also don't think Kelly has shown enough signs of adapting his offense to the NFL). I think completely cleaning house was the way to go. Now, am I confident in Jed York and Paraag Marathe hiring a good candidate? Absolutely not. But they should at least try.

Okay, I hadn't looked at it from that perspective.  I guess that makes sense.  Still, I'm with you in having almost zero faith in the ownership to change course and actually make good decisions.  But we'll see. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 03, 2017, 12:01:41 PM
Yea, San Fran cleaning house made sense.  Chip Kelley hasn't shown any ability to be a good NFL coach (Not saying he can't do it, but so far he hasn't shown it) so him getting the boot while not totally fair to him, isn't really a wrong move either.  They need to keep the owner (or the owner's son) out of making decisions though.  They really should have done a full house clean after Harbough though since the organizations seemed like it needed it at that point.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 03, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
You're right.  Kelly wasn't that good of a coach anyway.  That was evident in Philly.  Not sure why they wanted him in SF to begin with.  Maybe they realized it too late and that's why he's gone after only 1 year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 03, 2017, 02:55:44 PM
You're right.  Kelly wasn't that good of a coach anyway.  That was evident in Philly.  Not sure why they wanted him in SF to begin with.  Maybe they realized it too late and that's why he's gone after only 1 year.

Maybe, I think they just didn't have options.  Chip would be better off coaching in college again where he had success and I think college ball fits his mentality a bit better (having more control).  Oregon has an opening again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
You're right.  Kelly wasn't that good of a coach anyway.  That was evident in Philly.  Not sure why they wanted him in SF to begin with.  Maybe they realized it too late and that's why he's gone after only 1 year.

They had no contingency plan when they fired Tomsula.  I think he was literally the best they could get.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 03, 2017, 03:54:11 PM
You're right.  Kelly wasn't that good of a coach anyway.  That was evident in Philly.  Not sure why they wanted him in SF to begin with.  Maybe they realized it too late and that's why he's gone after only 1 year.

They had no contingency plan when they fired Tomsula.  I think he was literally the best they could get.

Considering the circumstances, do the fans in your area feel like Tomsula got a raw deal?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 03, 2017, 03:55:04 PM
Not sure if I should start another thread for this, but was hoping we could once again do a little NFL Playoffs pool. Eleven games total and I could keep track of the standings. Total points would be the tiebreaker for the Super Bowl pick. I'll probably update these Friday but here is what I think:

TEXANS over Raiders
SEAHAWKS over Lions
STEELERS over Dolphins
PACKERS over Giants
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2017, 03:57:29 PM
@PowerSlave:  I don't think so.  They were coming for him with pitchforks and torches as well.  The difference is, I think, it was pretty clear that he had lost the confidence of the team.  I don't think that is the case with Kelly.  But remember that when Harbaugh left and they announced Tomsula, they suddenly had mass defections and early retirements that gutted the roster.  I think that speaks volumes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2017, 03:58:00 PM
Not sure if I should start another thread for this, but was hoping we could once again do a little NFL Playoffs pool. Eleven games total and I could keep track of the standings. Total points would be the tiebreaker for the Super Bowl pick. I'll probably update these Friday but here is what I think:

TEXANS over Raiders
SEAHAWKS over Lions
STEELERS over Dolphins
PACKERS over Giants

Do a separate thread.  We can keep it going through the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 03, 2017, 04:03:06 PM
I have to say, this is the least excited I've been about the playoffs in a long time.  I am sure part of it is because the Broncos aren't in it, but this was a pretty blah season, and with some ugly games on the horizon this weekend, the usual excitement for playoff football just isn't there for me.

Getting back to the blah season, how many games were there that made you think, "Dang, this game is awesome." I can't think of any.  USC/Penn St last night in the Rose Bowl was far better than any NFL game I saw this season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 03, 2017, 04:10:31 PM
I always feel that way with Wildcard Weekend.  The games are never good.  The week after awe hell yeah!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 03, 2017, 05:39:30 PM
The problem, though, is that Baalke had to go. He and Kelly's staff weren't communicating with one another from I've been reading. But you're not going to attract a top candidate at GM if you're trying to saddle him with Kelly (I also don't think Kelly has shown enough signs of adapting his offense to the NFL). I think completely cleaning house was the way to go. Now, am I confident in Jed York and Paraag Marathe hiring a good candidate? Absolutely not. But they should at least try.

Okay, I hadn't looked at it from that perspective.  I guess that makes sense.  Still, I'm with you in having almost zero faith in the ownership to change course and actually make good decisions.  But we'll see. 
The thing they have going for them is that they're the only team that can offer a totally clean slate at GM and HC. And they do have a ton of cap room and plenty of good draft picks to work with. So if the candidates are convinced York won't meddle with football decisions (and as much as I hate Jed, he really doesn't, he basically let Baalke run amok), it may be attractive.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 03, 2017, 05:49:21 PM

Getting back to the blah season, how many games were there that made you think, "Dang, this game is awesome." I can't think of any.

Dallas vs. Pitt was an extremely exciting game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 03, 2017, 05:57:09 PM
Well, this season for the Panthers ended, appropriately, in disappointment.

In finishing 6-10, we lost 6 games by 3 points or less. Those are games that we found ways to win last season, but lots of factors led to it not working out this year. However, our core players are among the best in the league at their positions, our defense was among the league leaders in both sacks and interceptions, and we will have plenty of money to spend in the off-season, so I remain optimistic for the future.

My Super Bowl prediction: Green Bay over Kansas City.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2017, 06:12:07 PM
The problem, though, is that Baalke had to go. He and Kelly's staff weren't communicating with one another from I've been reading. But you're not going to attract a top candidate at GM if you're trying to saddle him with Kelly (I also don't think Kelly has shown enough signs of adapting his offense to the NFL). I think completely cleaning house was the way to go. Now, am I confident in Jed York and Paraag Marathe hiring a good candidate? Absolutely not. But they should at least try.

Okay, I hadn't looked at it from that perspective.  I guess that makes sense.  Still, I'm with you in having almost zero faith in the ownership to change course and actually make good decisions.  But we'll see. 
The thing they have going for them is that they're the only team that can offer a totally clean slate at GM and HC. And they do have a ton of cap room and plenty of good draft picks to work with. So if the candidates are convinced York won't meddle with football decisions (and as much as I hate Jed, he really doesn't, he basically let Baalke run amok), it may be attractive.
Yeah, but any candidates will also likely look at how they have treated their coaches under this ownership regime.  I wouldn't take that job if I wasn't desperate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 03, 2017, 08:50:09 PM

Getting back to the blah season, how many games were there that made you think, "Dang, this game is awesome." I can't think of any.

Dallas vs. Pitt was an extremely exciting game.

As was Baltimore @ Pitt (week 16)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 04, 2017, 07:26:24 AM
I have to say, this is the least excited I've been about the playoffs in a long time.  I am sure part of it is because the Broncos aren't in it, but this was a pretty blah season, and with some ugly games on the horizon this weekend, the usual excitement for playoff football just isn't there for me.

Getting back to the blah season, how many games were there that made you think, "Dang, this game is awesome." I can't think of any.  USC/Penn St last night in the Rose Bowl was far better than any NFL game I saw this season.

I'd chalk about all this up to the fact that there are a lot of bad to mediocre teams in the league. The product really isn't good at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2017, 08:04:41 AM
I have to say, this is the least excited I've been about the playoffs in a long time.  I am sure part of it is because the Broncos aren't in it, but this was a pretty blah season, and with some ugly games on the horizon this weekend, the usual excitement for playoff football just isn't there for me.

Getting back to the blah season, how many games were there that made you think, "Dang, this game is awesome." I can't think of any.  USC/Penn St last night in the Rose Bowl was far better than any NFL game I saw this season.

I'd chalk about all this up to the fact that there are a lot of bad to mediocre teams in the league. The product really isn't good at this point.

I kind of agree, while I am excited because my team is in the playoffs, these match ups overall do not really look exciting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 04, 2017, 10:15:05 AM
I kind of agree, while I am excited because my team is in the playoffs, these match ups overall do not really look exciting.

That's pretty much where I am at, I'm excited to see the Steelers make the playoffs, but not that excited about the playoffs in general. I personally am just not as into the NFL as I used to be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: El Barto on January 04, 2017, 11:32:54 AM
Chiefs/Broncos, week 12 (TNF, I believe) was loads of fun.

But by and large I agree that week one of the playoffs is looking surprisingly weak. Though part of it is that my expectations have gone up tremendously over the last 6 or so years. We've been treated to some awesome games in the playoffs of late, even if this year is looking like a downer.

As for me, what I'd like most is a Dallas/NE SB, so I still have a keen interest in the goings on.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 04, 2017, 11:54:42 AM
The last 4 or 5 years can anyone remember a good wildcard game?  For the life of me I can't.  The Divisional Round is when it gets exciting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: T-ski on January 04, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
The last 4 or 5 years can anyone remember a good wildcard game?  For the life of me I can't.  The Divisional Round is when it gets exciting.

Colts/Chiefs a couple years ago was tremendous.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: El Barto on January 04, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
Only because I can't remember what week particular games occurred on. Each week there are good games and bad, and we might get four great games this week for all I know. What I do know for sure is that this week looks to be pretty damned uninteresting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 04, 2017, 01:55:17 PM
The last 4 or 5 years can anyone remember a good wildcard game?  For the life of me I can't.  The Divisional Round is when it gets exciting.

Colts/Chiefs a couple years ago was tremendous.

I can't even remember that game. I think for the most part the good games on the wildcard weekend are far and few.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2017, 02:12:29 PM
Only because I can't remember what week particular games occurred on. Each week there are good games and bad, and we might get four great games this week for all I know. What I do know for sure is that this week looks to be pretty damned uninteresting.

I kind of feel this.  The games don't look interesting on paper, but maybe will end of being good, except maybe that Houston Oakland game with their crappy QBs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 04, 2017, 02:34:08 PM
Using 'wiki' and the 'season' year, this decade there have been many a dud, but also these

2010:  The 7-9 Seahawks beat the defending SB champ Saints on the 'earthquake' run
           The Jets go into Indy and stun the Colts on a Folk FG on the last play, after Vinateri hits one with less than a minute left.
           On the way to winning the SB, the Packers intercept an end zone pass with 33 seconds left to hold off the Eagles in Philly.

2011:  The 12-4 Steelers lose in Denver to the 8-8 Broncos on the Tebow to Thomas catch and run on the first play of OT.

2012:  Personal....the Ravens FINALLY get the pain of the Irsays/Colts out of their systems by winning 24-9, on their way to the SB.
          Seattle comes back from 14 down, and wins in DC by mauling a gimpy Griffin.

2013:  The Colts 28 point comeback at Kansas City.
          Saints win in cold Philly on a FG as time expires, 26-24.
          Kaepernick leads the 49ers to a late winning FG in frigid Green Bay.

2014:  Ravens over the Steelers, 30-17, their first in four tries in Pittsburgh (after two mentally crushing defeats in '08 and '10). 
           Detroit loses in Dallas, thanks to a late and controversial noncall on a pass interference.

2015:  Steelers kick the winning FG in monsoon conditions, as the Bengals beat themselves after two late PFs.
          The Vikings miss the chip shot winning FG to lose to the Seahawks in beautiful sun-drenched Minneapolis, also the third coldest
          game in NFL history.

So, it tends to be 50-50 on good game/clunker.  This year, Packers-Giants should give us a great one.  Perhaps Seattle's recently acquired Devon Hester gives one or two breaks to the Lions to keep that one close.   Texans-Raiders could be 13-12.  And the Steelers might somehow commit 5 TOs.   

         
         
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 04, 2017, 02:37:57 PM
I remember that Broncos game now.  No one could believe Tebow threw that pass.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
I remember that Broncos game now.  No one could believe Tebow threw that pass.

Yea, I also thought that was Tebow's breakout performance where he would actually be considered to be a legit NFL QB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 04, 2017, 03:53:22 PM
I remember that Broncos game now.  No one could believe Tebow threw that pass.

Yea, I also thought that was Tebow's breakout performance where he would actually be considered to be a legit NFL QB.

Boy were you wrong lol.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2017, 05:23:54 PM
I remember that Broncos game now.  No one could believe Tebow threw that pass.

Yea, I also thought that was Tebow's breakout performance where he would actually be considered to be a legit NFL QB.

Boy were you wrong lol.

 :lol sure was.  He didn't have a good completion percentage, but played well that game when no one gave him a chance.  Not that I am a Tebow fan or anything, just thought he might have finally broke through.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 04, 2017, 05:47:40 PM
OMG  :rollin :rollin  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-billy-joel-hilariously-sings-through-the-name-of-every-browns-qb-since-1999/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-billy-joel-hilariously-sings-through-the-name-of-every-browns-qb-since-1999/)

Scroll to bottom for song.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 04, 2017, 08:40:18 PM
I remember that Broncos game now.  No one could believe Tebow threw that pass.

To say I went bananas when Thomas ran that pass in for a TD would be an understatement.  That was one of those "I can't believe that just happened, but holy shit it was awesome!" moments. :hat
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 04, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-billy-joel-hilariously-sings-through-the-name-of-every-browns-qb-since-1999/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-billy-joel-hilariously-sings-through-the-name-of-every-browns-qb-since-1999/)

Scroll to bottom for song.

Funny and well done at the same time.  Thanks.

(wish I could find the satire from years ago, when Larry Brown was talking of leaving the Pistons, titled 'I've Coached Everywhere', done to Johnny Cash's  song.)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Architeuthis on January 06, 2017, 10:09:12 AM
The Seahawks just signed Devin Hester on to their roster for special teams. Tyler Lockett is out for the season with a broken ankle (bummer).  This ought to be interesting to have Devin Hester just in time for the play-offs..
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2017, 11:32:19 AM
The Seahawks just signed Devin Hester on to their roster for special teams. Tyler Lockett is out for the season with a broken ankle (bummer).  This ought to be interesting to have Devin Hester just in time for the play-offs..

Assuming he has anything left in the tank, I mean the guy's available for a reason.  Granted, I'd take him on my return team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 07, 2017, 04:55:22 AM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on January 07, 2017, 09:57:18 AM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P

Those coaches, scouts and coordinators are wrong a lot, as shown by how often they miss when it comes to the draft every year.  This is just another example of them being wrong.

I feel smart again.  :biggrin:

Many were ready to throw that Ben in that elite category last summer, but it's clear that he is still not there.

-10th in QBR/11th in passer rating this year
-11th in YPA
-zero talk about him being the MVP.  Five QBs have regularly been a part of the MVP discussion (Ryan, Brady, Rodgers, Carr and Prescott), and despite his team winning 11 games, zero talk about Ben.  If a supposed elite QB's team wins 11 games, he is almost always at least in the discussion.

I think he gets the benefit of the doubt because he is consistently about the 5th-7th best QB in the league, as he has been for most of his career, while guys like Ryan, Newton, etc. kind of bounce up and down from year to year. (Newton was the best QB last year, but barely even average this year; Ryan wasn't considered a top 10 QB anymore after last year, but just had a phenomenal season), so it's easy to promote that guy up a few notches since he is consistently a 2nd tier QB, but here we have yet another year where Ben wasn't one of the top 5 QBs and isn't in the MVP discussion (has he EVER been a legit MVP candidate?).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 07, 2017, 10:42:51 AM
Predictions for WC Weekend

5. Oakland at 4. Houston
6. Detroit at 3. Seattle
6. Miami at 3. Pittsburgh
5. New York at 4. Green Bay


It's funny, I'll be rooting exactly the opposite in all four games save the GB/NY game... I like them teams about the same.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 07, 2017, 12:30:26 PM
I think all four home teams will win.

I think Houston is a joke, but the Raiders QB situation is brutal now. I have a feeling they threw the towel in after Carr went down.

I am going to choke the next person who mentions 2007 and 2011 when talking about Giants/Packers.  Those games mean jack shit as far as who will win tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: faizoff on January 07, 2017, 12:48:20 PM
My picks are also all home teams, though the NY/GB game I feel is a harder pick with GB slightly edging out the Giants.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: PowerSlave on January 07, 2017, 12:59:39 PM
Looks like an ESPN poll of 42 coaches, scouts, and coordinators have Big Ben as the #3 QB behind Brady and Rodgers. Too bad they don't know football like all the experts at DTF. :P

Those coaches, scouts and coordinators are wrong a lot, as shown by how often they miss when it comes to the draft every year.  This is just another example of them being wrong.

I feel smart again.  :biggrin:

Many were ready to throw that Ben in that elite category last summer, but it's clear that he is still not there.

-10th in QBR/11th in passer rating this year
-11th in YPA
-zero talk about him being the MVP.  Five QBs have regularly been a part of the MVP discussion (Ryan, Brady, Rodgers, Carr and Prescott), and despite his team winning 11 games, zero talk about Ben.  If a supposed elite QB's team wins 11 games, he is almost always at least in the discussion.

I think he gets the benefit of the doubt because he is consistently about the 5th-7th best QB in the league, as he has been for most of his career, while guys like Ryan, Newton, etc. kind of bounce up and down from year to year. (Newton was the best QB last year, but barely even average this year; Ryan wasn't considered a top 10 QB anymore after last year, but just had a phenomenal season), so it's easy to promote that guy up a few notches since he is consistently a 2nd tier QB, but here we have yet another year where Ben wasn't one of the top 5 QBs and isn't in the MVP discussion (has he EVER been a legit MVP candidate?).

He's played the season with only one legitimate starting WR. The team's big free-agency signing to replace one of the league's better TE's only played a handful of games. Ryan, Carr and Prescott would have been lucky to win 9 games with the same situation at their skill positions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on January 07, 2017, 01:07:14 PM


He's played the season with only one legitimate starting WR. The team's big free-agency signing to replace one of the league's better TE's only played a handful of games. Ryan, Carr and Prescott would have been lucky to win 9 games with the same situation at their skill positions.

Let's be serious. He had the best WR in football for the entire season, and had arguably the best RB in football (he and David Johnson are 1a and 1b) for 13 of the 16 games (and DeAngelo was a beast those first three games). If that's not being set up to succeed, I don't know what it is.  Matt Ryan did just fine with a bunch of WR castoffs and no-name TE to go along with his stud WR and RBs.  Prescott was throwing to Cole Beasley and Terrence Williams at WR for a while when Dez Bryant was out, and did just fine.  Carr resurrected the career of Crabtree, who looked done.

Sorry, but the "Roethlisberger is elite" is the biggest crock of shit in pro football right now. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 07, 2017, 02:12:25 PM
So after a reasonable 10-7 showing in my regular-season predictions, based on the BBC radio commentary game each week (one of the Sunday 4pm ET kickoffs), I now move on to the playoffs, where I try and pick the winner of all 11 games (4 wildcards, 4 divisionals, 2 championships and the Super Bowl). This weekend I'm going for Oakland, Seattle, Pittsburgh and Green Bay. The outer two of those were basically coin tosses, Oakland-Houston between who might edge it between not-particularly-good quarterbacks, and NYG-GB because I just have a feeling that Rodgers might just do what Rodgers does, even against a good Giants defense, at Lambeau, in January.

And while I'm here, it's a strange quirk of the playoff system that the 12-4 Raiders, despite their great regular season (at least until Derek Carr got injured) have to travel to the 9-7 Texans. I know the divisions are there for local convenience (generally, although someone explain to me how Dallas is considered to be in the East), but perhaps it might be better if the best teams get the higher seeds regardless of what division they're in.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: PowerSlave on January 07, 2017, 02:38:53 PM


He's played the season with only one legitimate starting WR. The team's big free-agency signing to replace one of the league's better TE's only played a handful of games. Ryan, Carr and Prescott would have been lucky to win 9 games with the same situation at their skill positions.

Let's be serious. He had the best WR in football for the entire season, and had arguably the best RB in football (he and David Johnson are 1a and 1b) for 13 of the 16 games (and DeAngelo was a beast those first three games). If that's not being set up to succeed, I don't know what it is.  Matt Ryan did just fine with a bunch of WR castoffs and no-name TE to go along with his stud WR and RBs.  Prescott was throwing to Cole Beasley and Terrence Williams at WR for a while when Dez Bryant was out, and did just fine.  Carr resurrected the career of Crabtree, who looked done.

Sorry, but the "Roethlisberger is elite" is the biggest crock of shit in pro football right now.

None of those guys have shown the ability to win consistently year after year like Ben has. True, Dak is only at the beginning of his career, but that only means that the best anyone can do is guess. Matt Ryan has had elite weapons for his entire career, including arguably the best TE to ever play the game for a few of those years and he's only been a legitimate SB contender once.

Let's start with some basic stats:

1. He's one of only six QB's to have victories over 31 teams in his career.
2. He had a better record in his rookie campaign than Dak. His first start was the 2nd game of the season and he didn't lose until the AFC Championship game against Brady.
3. He has the fourth highest career winning percentage as a starter in the regular season among quarterbacks with a minimum of 100 starts.
4. He currently ranks 9th all-time in NFL passer rating, tied for 6th in yards per attempt, and tied for 10th in completion percentage among quarterbacks with a minimum of 1,500 career attempts.
5. His worst regular season record is 8-8. Never a losing season.

As far as this season goes, he didn't have Bell for "13 of 16 games". They both were rested the final week of the season, and Ben missed a game due to his knee surgery. That makes it 11 of 14. Speaking of his knee, he was injured in the first half and other than a series or two when the team used Landry Jones, he played over a half of football with a knee that needed surgical repair and it showed. His numbers in that game, and the game that he made his return from the surgery were abysmal. Arguably poor enough to have a serious impact on the numbers for the rest of the season. I won't lie, his performances against Philly and Buffalo weren't exactly pretty, either.

He's proven to be superior to the two QB's that were drafted ahead of him. He's second among active QB's for championship/super bowl appearances. What more can you ask of him?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 07, 2017, 02:45:57 PM
someone explain to me how Dallas is considered to be in the East)

That's a left-over from the time that there were only 3 divisions per conference, instead of the 4 divisions that we have now. Some teams were kept in divisions that didn't make sense geographically to maintain traditional rivalry games. This is also the same reason that Miami is in the AFC East instead of the AFC South.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 07, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
someone explain to me how Dallas is considered to be in the East)

That's a left-over from the time that there were only 3 divisions per conference, instead of the 4 divisions that we have now. Some teams were kept in divisions that didn't make sense geographically to maintain traditional rivalry games. This is also the same reason that Miami is in the AFC East instead of the AFC South.

At least Florida's in the (south-)east of the USA, so they can get away with that one. Dallas is nowhere near the 'east' of anything. It's only just about in the east of Texas.

(I do take your point, btw. It's just mildly baffling to this observer from the other side of the Pond.)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 07, 2017, 03:38:57 PM
There was a time when the NFC West consisted of teams in San Francisco, New Orleans, Atlanta, St. Louis and Carolina.



Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TAC on January 07, 2017, 03:41:58 PM
I am going to choke the next person who mentions 2007 and 2011 when talking about Giants/Packers.   

What are 2007 and 2011?



Go Packers!  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Stadler on January 07, 2017, 04:07:14 PM
I picked the Texans in my pool - though I confess to forgetting that Watt was out - and yet I'm watching this Raiders team, scrappy, like the Raiders of old, and looking at Brock Ozwierdo with that deer in the headlights look, and I'm actually rooting against my pick.   Cook is the first QB in the Super Bowl era (that's 50 years) to make his first career start in the playoffs, and while he sucks, he's not making bad mistakes (that I saw; I took a break to shovel some snow) and the Texans can't seem to wait to hand this game over to them.   

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: KevShmev on January 07, 2017, 05:08:46 PM


He's played the season with only one legitimate starting WR. The team's big free-agency signing to replace one of the league's better TE's only played a handful of games. Ryan, Carr and Prescott would have been lucky to win 9 games with the same situation at their skill positions.

Let's be serious. He had the best WR in football for the entire season, and had arguably the best RB in football (he and David Johnson are 1a and 1b) for 13 of the 16 games (and DeAngelo was a beast those first three games). If that's not being set up to succeed, I don't know what it is.  Matt Ryan did just fine with a bunch of WR castoffs and no-name TE to go along with his stud WR and RBs.  Prescott was throwing to Cole Beasley and Terrence Williams at WR for a while when Dez Bryant was out, and did just fine.  Carr resurrected the career of Crabtree, who looked done.

Sorry, but the "Roethlisberger is elite" is the biggest crock of shit in pro football right now.

None of those guys have shown the ability to win consistently year after year like Ben has. True, Dak is only at the beginning of his career, but that only means that the best anyone can do is guess. Matt Ryan has had elite weapons for his entire career, including arguably the best TE to ever play the game for a few of those years and he's only been a legitimate SB contender once.

Let's start with some basic stats:

1. He's one of only six QB's to have victories over 31 teams in his career.
2. He had a better record in his rookie campaign than Dak. His first start was the 2nd game of the season and he didn't lose until the AFC Championship game against Brady.
3. He has the fourth highest career winning percentage as a starter in the regular season among quarterbacks with a minimum of 100 starts.
4. He currently ranks 9th all-time in NFL passer rating, tied for 6th in yards per attempt, and tied for 10th in completion percentage among quarterbacks with a minimum of 1,500 career attempts.
5. His worst regular season record is 8-8. Never a losing season.

As far as this season goes, he didn't have Bell for "13 of 16 games". They both were rested the final week of the season, and Ben missed a game due to his knee surgery. That makes it 11 of 14. Speaking of his knee, he was injured in the first half and other than a series or two when the team used Landry Jones, he played over a half of football with a knee that needed surgical repair and it showed. His numbers in that game, and the game that he made his return from the surgery were abysmal. Arguably poor enough to have a serious impact on the numbers for the rest of the season. I won't lie, his performances against Philly and Buffalo weren't exactly pretty, either.

He's proven to be superior to the two QB's that were drafted ahead of him. He's second among active QB's for championship/super bowl appearances. What more can you ask of him?

Okay, where to begin...

I wasn't asking for more of him.  He has been a really, really good NFL QB.  You can't ask for more than that.

Your first two points are irrelevant as to if he is elite right now or not.  So is the point about him being than the others in his draft (which has nothing to do with whether or not he is elite).

As for Bell, my bad regarding week 17, but the fact remains that the Steelers had an elite running game or RB in every game this season (except maybe week 17; I have no idea who their RB was against the Browns or how well they did).

Wins is a team stat.  Now, having an above average QB definitely makes you more likely to win a lot of games, but Ben landed on a team that had averaged 10 wins a season in the 12 seasons prior to his arrival, so he was lucky to land in a winning culture on a team that always drafts well and is run about as well as any NFL team historically. In 12 seasons with Ben, they have averaged 11 wins a season.  So basically, he has been one win better per season than Korell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, Neil O'donnell and Mike Tomzcak.

Regarding his injuries, he gets hurt every year, so he doesn't get a pass for those games.  If you get hurt every year and your stats in a game or two suffer as a result, that is a part of who you are.  Maybe he should try playing 16 games in a season again for once. ;)

I am not arguing that he isn't very good; he is.  He's just not elite or in the top tier of NFL QBs.  Never has been.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - RIP Dennis Green
Post by: PowerSlave on January 07, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
  So basically, he has been one win better per season than Korell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, Neil O'donnell and Mike Tomzcak.

The difference being that none of those players could bring a championship home, and only one of them even made it to a super bowl. He's made it to three.

I am not arguing that he isn't very good; he is.  He's just not elite or in the top tier of NFL QBs.  Never has been.

I suppose that it depends on your definition of elite. In my opinion, there are only two QB's that are better than him that are currently playing in the league. Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers.

Furthermore, the same argument could have been made about Elway in the latter part of his career in regards to needing a good/great running game to win. I don't think that anyone in their right mind would claim that he wasn't an elite QB. Montana always had a good run game. The list could go on and on. In fact, the only great QB that comes to mind that didn't have the benefit of a great run game was Marino, and he could never win a championship.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: El Barto on January 07, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
If some owner was dumb enough to make me a head coach, any player that signals "our ball", "first down", or "penalty's on them" and isn't right gives up 1/3 of his game check. Don't pretend you know WTF you're talking about if you don't. Every single time there's a fumble 8 guys from each team start signalling "our ball." What is it, wishful thinking?

I don't like stupid behavior.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: axeman90210 on January 07, 2017, 07:04:26 PM
Hell of a catch by Richardson.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Snow Dog on January 07, 2017, 07:24:30 PM
If some owner was dumb enough to make me a head coach, any player that signals "our ball", "first down", or "penalty's on them" and isn't right gives up 1/3 of his game check. Don't pretend you know WTF you're talking about if you don't. Every single time there's a fumble 8 guys from each team start signalling "our ball." What is it, wishful thinking?

I don't like stupid behavior.

I hear you with those. I'd add wide receivers getting covered well and immediately getting up and doing that stupid "throw the flag" motion calling for pass interference. Every damn time. So annoying.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Cool Chris on January 07, 2017, 07:33:28 PM
Funny, thought that only bugged me. Anytime someone debates a foul call, it makes me think of this classic SI cover

(https://pastorhobbins.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/complain-basketball-whiner-self-control.jpg)

Seahawks playing well enough to win, and maybe stay within 30 points of ATL next week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: dparrott on January 07, 2017, 09:36:23 PM
Well the Raiders turned out as I suspected, but at least the Seahawks won. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: dparrott on January 07, 2017, 09:38:11 PM
someone explain to me how Dallas is considered to be in the East)

That's a left-over from the time that there were only 3 divisions per conference, instead of the 4 divisions that we have now. Some teams were kept in divisions that didn't make sense geographically to maintain traditional rivalry games. This is also the same reason that Miami is in the AFC East instead of the AFC South.

At least Florida's in the (south-)east of the USA, so they can get away with that one. Dallas is nowhere near the 'east' of anything. It's only just about in the east of Texas.

(I do take your point, btw. It's just mildly baffling to this observer from the other side of the Pond.)

The real head scratcher is Indy in the SOUTH! 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 07, 2017, 09:41:34 PM
Officiating seemed pretty terrible in the Lions/Seahawks game, but Detroit probably didn't play well enough to win regardless. It's a shame Stafford messed up his finger.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 07:28:45 AM
  So basically, he has been one win better per season than Korell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, Neil O'donnell and Mike Tomzcak.

The difference being that none of those players could bring a championship home, and only one of them even made it to a super bowl. He's made it to three.

Having more team success than Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell does not automatically make you elite.

And considering how poorly he played in his first Super Bowl in particular, I would not say that Ben brought a championship home.  They won that game in spite of him.



I am not arguing that he isn't very good; he is.  He's just not elite or in the top tier of NFL QBs.  Never has been.

I suppose that it depends on your definition of elite. In my opinion, there are only two QB's that are better than him that are currently playing in the league. Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers.

Furthermore, the same argument could have been made about Elway in the latter part of his career in regards to needing a good/great running game to win. I don't think that anyone in their right mind would claim that he wasn't an elite QB. Montana always had a good run game. The list could go on and on. In fact, the only great QB that comes to mind that didn't have the benefit of a great run game was Marino, and he could never win a championship.

That's madness. The consensus best four QBs for years were Peyton, Brady, Rodgers and Brees.  Peyton is now retired, and Ben has done nothing to do show that he is as good or better than Brees (who doesn't win as much because his D almost always stinks, but he is still better).  Plus, Ben was passed by Russell Wilson years ago, and a case can be made that Matt Ryan has passed him now, although I get that we usually like to see more than one great season out of QB before we call him elite.  Of course, when is the last time Ben had a season we would call great?  2014.  And before that?  Maybe 2009?  So a QB who has been elite in one of his last seven seasons is elite in general?  Nope.


Furthermore, the same argument could have been made about Elway in the latter part of his career in regards to needing a good/great running game to win. I don't think that anyone in their right mind would claim that he wasn't an elite QB. Montana always had a good run game. The list could go on and on. In fact, the only great QB that comes to mind that didn't have the benefit of a great run game was Marino, and he could never win a championship.

Elway was such a one-man wrecking crew in the AFC that he actually won the MVP in 1987 and made the All-Pro Team thrice.  Ben has never made any All-Pro Team, and while I think Pro Bowl nominations are often pretty skewed, consider that this supposed elite QB that is Ben Roethlisberger has only made it five times in 12 seasons. Seems to me that if he were truly elite, he'd be in there almost every year.

Officiating seemed pretty terrible in the Lions/Seahawks game, but Detroit probably didn't play well enough to win regardless. It's a shame Stafford messed up his finger.

Agreed.

Stafford wasn't the same since he hurt his finger.

As for the officiating, it was the usual Seattle home-cooking stuff, but I don't think it would have mattered (not that that excuses it). I was actually okay with them not calling a block in the back on Wilson on Rawls' long run since the Lions defender turned at the last second when Wilson went to block him.  It's like when you go to a hit a player, who then steps out of bounds, contact is made after he's out of bounds because your momentum was already going, and the officials throw a flag.  I hate that.  Common sense should be used sometimes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 08, 2017, 11:07:16 AM
Couple notes:  Devin Hester continued to show his 'diminishing returns' last night.  The Lions were, once again, the Lions.  The names change, but the results don't change.

As to Big Ben:  as a Raven fan, I'd take him over Brees and Ryan in a heartbeat.  He doesn't have the luxury of playing 9+ games in a windless dome every year, plus most Nov-Dec road games in warmer climates.  He's made tons of plays out of nothing, is a winner, and the team feeds off of that.  Christmas Day was yet just another reminder.  Can't wait for him to retire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 08, 2017, 11:25:30 AM
Wow, imagine how good the Steelers would be doing if Ben was great.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
Antonio Brown is really good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
Officiating seemed pretty terrible in the Lions/Seahawks game, but Detroit probably didn't play well enough to win regardless. It's a shame Stafford messed up his finger.

Well, they certainly didn't do anything to help themselves., but the officiating was horrendous against the Lions.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 11:46:48 AM
Serious question:

When is the last time a team had arguably the best WR AND the best RB in the league?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 12:09:50 PM
Monster cheap shot by a Steelers defender.

I guess when Suh lands on Ben's ankle and breaks it, it will be considered payback.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 08, 2017, 02:50:00 PM
Wow, imagine how good the Steelers would be doing if Ben was great.

They'd be undefeated, have won 10 superbowls over his career and he'd shit gold nuggets then use them to feed all the starving children in 3rd world nations across the globe. Then he might only be considered average...

/sarcasm
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 08, 2017, 03:48:58 PM
Outside of Bell the offense played like garbage in the second half. That's not gonna fly in KC or NE. Lot of work to do this week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
How stupid of Tomlin to have Roethlisberger throwing in that situation, up 18 with 4 minutes to go.  Yeah, have your injury-prone QB drop back and throw when there is no need. Brilliant. And he took a bad hit and is now in a walking boot.  :facepalm:

Giants D has been awesome so far, but great play by Rodgers there gives GB the lead.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 08, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
How stupid of Tomlin to have Roethlisberger throwing in that situation, up 18 with 4 minutes to go.  Yeah, have your injury-prone QB drop back and throw when there is no need. Brilliant. And he took a bad hit and is now in a walking boot.  :facepalm:

Giants D has been awesome so far, but great play by Rodgers there gives GB the lead.

Totally agree. Tomlin well knows it's just not in Ben's DNA to play safe, he needs to make the decision to pull him.

Rodgers lightning strikes AGAIN. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 08, 2017, 04:32:42 PM

Totally agree. Tomlin well knows it's just not in Ben's DNA to play safe, he needs to make the decision to pull him.


Maybe they'll use him up until he's really hurt and try to trade for Russell Wilson in the off season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 08, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
What a stupid call on 4th & 1.  The Giants deserved that TD.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
That was Exhibit A as to why I think Mike McCarthy blows.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 08, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
You make that call when your D can't stop another team. His D is playing great.  Terrible,  terrible call.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 04:58:32 PM
Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
The Good News: The Giants are out.
The Bad News: The Packers are not.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: orcus116 on January 08, 2017, 05:51:29 PM
Rooting all the way for the Packers to demolish the Cowboys.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 07:18:00 PM
Rooting all the way for the Packers to demolish the Cowboys.

I think anyone with a soul is rooting for that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: faizoff on January 08, 2017, 07:22:16 PM
4/4 don't think those picks were really difficult, Packers was the only one I had a bit of doubt if the Giants offense got going but they didn't.

I think next week should be interesting, much tougher picks other that the Patriots one.

Seahawks vs Falcons - Falcons
Texans vs Patriots - Patriots
Steelers vs Chiefs - Chiefs
Packers vs Cowboys - Packers
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 09, 2017, 05:00:08 AM
Well, after Wildcard weekend I'm 3-1 in my playoff predictions. The only one I got wrong was Oakland-Houston. And it also means a home-team 4-0 sweep for the weekend, after last year's wildcard round saw all the visiting teams win.

It took almost an entire half for the Packers to get going, but Rodgers just did what Rodgers does after that.

At 1am last night (after I switched the radio off), I suddenly realised that the team whose stadium Super Bowl LI will be played in are still alive. I mean, it's a gargantuan task for them to reach the big game, but you never know...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 09, 2017, 05:45:08 AM
How stupid of Tomlin to have Roethlisberger throwing in that situation, up 18 with 4 minutes to go.  Yeah, have your injury-prone QB drop back and throw when there is no need. Brilliant. And he took a bad hit and is now in a walking boot.  :facepalm:

Actually, Ben did audible the play call at the line of scrimmage to the pass play, but I'm not sure what the actual play call was. The question is why was he in there at all? :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 09, 2017, 05:59:14 AM
How stupid of Tomlin to have Roethlisberger throwing in that situation, up 18 with 4 minutes to go.  Yeah, have your injury-prone QB drop back and throw when there is no need. Brilliant. And he took a bad hit and is now in a walking boot.  :facepalm:

Actually, Ben did audible the play call at the line of scrimmage to the pass play, but I'm not sure what the actual play call was. The question is why was he in there at all? :facepalm:

Yeah, then again GB had their starters in while up by 4 scores. Who knows.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
Man that was a hard to watch last 32 minutes of the Giants Packers game.  Looked like it was going to be a good game for awhile then the Giants fell apart.  The poor play by the receivers is going to lead to a lot of "well thats what happens when you party in Miami before a playoff game" talk.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Wild Card Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 07:31:25 AM

Totally agree. Tomlin well knows it's just not in Ben's DNA to play safe, he needs to make the decision to pull him.


Maybe they'll use him up until he's really hurt and try to trade for Russell Wilson in the off season.

 :lol Perfect comment after all that conversation... PowerSlave I'm with you on Ben and I've been down this road with Kev before. Unfortunately it seems like Kev just does't like Ben and pulls certain stats or arguments to support a conclusion he has already come to. But whatever, it's all good. I'm sure Ben's good with his champions that he has won and he will be without question, a first ballot hall of famer.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 09, 2017, 07:39:14 AM
There was one and only one example of elite QB play yesterday and that was Aaron Rodgers.

Roethlisberger and Eli were equally very good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 07:45:48 AM
Honestly, I don't want to start debating who should be considered an elite QB or not again.

Just enjoying a big Steeler win yesterday.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 09, 2017, 08:04:29 AM
Honestly, I don't want to start debating who should be considered an elite QB or not again.

Just enjoying a big Steeler win yesterday.

Don't know how big of a win it really was, I mean, they were supposed to do that to the Dolphins, so good on them for showing up and executing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 08:10:23 AM
Honestly, I don't want to start debating who should be considered an elite QB or not again.

Just enjoying a big Steeler win yesterday.

Don't know how big of a win it really was, I mean, they were supposed to do that to the Dolphins, so good on them for showing up and executing.

To me that's big. I have my doubts about this Steelers team as a whole and their mental and emotional toughness. So them doing what they were expected to isn't surprising to me, but it is encouraging. Also - it's the playoffs aren't all wins arguably big?

I think they can beat KC next week, but if they have to play the Pats in FB for the AFC championship, I'm not sure this team can do that. Their defense still has some very big holes and past Brown, they don't have anyone else to really be a threat at wide-out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 09, 2017, 08:32:07 AM
Honestly, I don't want to start debating who should be considered an elite QB or not again.

Just enjoying a big Steeler win yesterday.

Don't know how big of a win it really was, I mean, they were supposed to do that to the Dolphins, so good on them for showing up and executing.

To me that's big. I have my doubts about this Steelers team as a whole and their mental and emotional toughness. So them doing what they were expected to isn't surprising to me, but it is encouraging. Also - it's the playoffs aren't all wins arguably big?

I think they can beat KC next week, but if they have to play the Pats in FB for the AFC championship, I'm not sure this team can do that. Their defense still has some very big holes and past Brown, they don't have anyone else to really be a threat at wide-out.

I'd argue that the Christmas Day game was bigger than drubbing the Dolphins with a 2nd string QB. Heck, the Texans were credited with a playoff win despite playing an Oakland team without a league MVP candidate.

I have Pittsburgh beating KC next week. I do not trust KC in that spot. Hopefully, they prove me wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 08:40:59 AM
I'd argue that the Christmas Day game was bigger than drubbing the Dolphins with a 2nd string QB. Heck, the Texans were credited with a playoff win despite playing an Oakland team without a league MVP candidate.

I'd probably agree the Christmas day game was bigger, but still, like I said, a playoff win is a playoff win.

I have Pittsburgh beating KC next week. I do not trust KC in that spot. Hopefully, they prove me wrong.

I think Pittsburgh will win, but I'm just not terribly confident in that pick. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 09, 2017, 10:20:21 AM
I'd argue that the Christmas Day game was bigger than drubbing the Dolphins with a 2nd string QB. Heck, the Texans were credited with a playoff win despite playing an Oakland team without a league MVP candidate.

I'd probably agree the Christmas day game was bigger, but still, like I said, a playoff win is a playoff win.

I have Pittsburgh beating KC next week. I do not trust KC in that spot. Hopefully, they prove me wrong.



I think Pittsburgh will win, but I'm just not terribly confident in that pick. :lol

I agree with all of this, but they should have beat Miami by 18 or more and they did. How many times in the last 4 or 5 years have we Steeler Nation faithful been let down because they played down to the competition and lost to inferior teams, so  :tup for the W yesterday.

They are better than K.C. too, but that doesn't mean they will win. It's on the road in the most hostile stadium in the NFL. They just don't look like the same team on the road, but I too, think they will come out with a close victory.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 10:29:17 AM
I agree with all of this, but they should have beat Miami by 18 or more and they did. How many times in the last 4 or 5 years have we Steeler Nation faithful been let down because they played down to the competition and lost to inferior teams, so  :tup for the W yesterday.

They are better than K.C. too, but that doesn't mean they will win. It's on the road in the most hostile stadium in the NFL. They just don't look like the same team on the road, but I too, think they will come out with a close victory.

Agreed on all counts. As a Steeler fan it's hard to expect a win against a lesser opponent with Tomlin as your coach sometimes. You are happy when it happens but it's becoming all to common for his teams to play down to the competition, like you mentioned.

Also, good call on the home vs. road thing being a factor. Ben has been MUCH better at home this season vs on the road.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 09, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
I agree with all of this, but they should have beat Miami by 18 or more and they did. How many times in the last 4 or 5 years have we Steeler Nation faithful been let down because they played down to the competition and lost to inferior teams, so  :tup for the W yesterday.

They are better than K.C. too, but that doesn't mean they will win. It's on the road in the most hostile stadium in the NFL. They just don't look like the same team on the road, but I too, think they will come out with a close victory.

Agreed on all counts. As a Steeler fan it's hard to expect a win against a lesser opponent with Tomlin as your coach sometimes. You are happy when it happens but it's becoming all to common for his teams to play down to the competition, like you mentioned.

Also, good call on the home vs. road thing being a factor. Ben has been MUCH better at home this season vs on the road.

So not elite on the road?   :angel:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
So not elite on the road?   :angel:

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 09, 2017, 11:25:04 AM
I know it's well documented but wow... Bell is the most patient runner that I have ever seen. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 11:36:32 AM
I know it's well documented but wow... Bell is the most patient runner that I have ever seen.

Yup, it's pretty incredible. It's certainly one of those things that goes against the typical fundamentals of the position. Kids are always taught as RBs to hit those holes as hard and as quick as they can, Bell in a lot of instances does the opposite, he pauses, shifts, and sneaks somewhere to find room. When it works, he looks brilliant. When it doesn't Steeler fans yell and scream for him to turn into Jerome Bettis or something.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 09, 2017, 11:47:44 AM
Bell is a freak, but Tomlin will use him up before he's 27. He'll probably have at least another 35 touches next week. A lot of this is a result of not having Bryant around to take the top off the defense.

Saw an interesting stat on an NFL site; I hadn't realized how consistently good the Broncos have been since the merger. They are 2nd to Pittsburgh in winning % (I would have guessed Cowboys, Niners, or Patriots) and those are the only 2 non-expansion teams to lose less than 300 games since the 1970 merger.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 11:52:26 AM
Bell is a freak, but Tomlin will use him up before he's 27. He'll probably have at least another 35 touches next week. A lot of this is a result of not having Bryant around to take the top off the defense.

Tag him and then bag him. Mike will run him into the ground in the meanwhile.

Seriously though, I've continually said not to give Bell a long term deal for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons are specific to Bell himself (suspensions, injuries, etc...) and some are specific to the organization (basically Tomlin runs backs into the ground and recycles them every couple years). But, if this group makes a deep run into the playoffs and Bell continues to play like he did yesterday, I might start to have a hard time finding reasons not to keep him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 09, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
Bell is a freak, but Tomlin will use him up before he's 27. He'll probably have at least another 35 touches next week. A lot of this is a result of not having Bryant around to take the top off the defense.

Tag him and then bag him. Mike will run him into the ground in the meanwhile.

Seriously though, I've continually said not to give Bell a long term deal for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons are specific to Bell himself (suspensions, injuries, etc...) and some are specific to the organization (basically Tomlin runs backs into the ground and recycles them every couple years). But, if this group makes a deep run into the playoffs and Bell continues to play like he did yesterday, I might start to have a hard time finding reasons not to keep him.
Remember what the Steelers did to Willie Parker? Woof. And he was a lot smaller than Bell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 09, 2017, 12:52:30 PM
Bell is a freak, but Tomlin will use him up before he's 27. He'll probably have at least another 35 touches next week. A lot of this is a result of not having Bryant around to take the top off the defense.

Tag him and then bag him. Mike will run him into the ground in the meanwhile.

Seriously though, I've continually said not to give Bell a long term deal for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons are specific to Bell himself (suspensions, injuries, etc...) and some are specific to the organization (basically Tomlin runs backs into the ground and recycles them every couple years). But, if this group makes a deep run into the playoffs and Bell continues to play like he did yesterday, I might start to have a hard time finding reasons not to keep him.
Remember what the Steelers did to Willie Parker? Woof. And he was a lot smaller than Bell.

That's true, but you hit on the main issue with Willie. I don't think that he was built physically to ever be a feature back. Other than the knee injuries, I can't think of a time that Bell has taken a lot of punishment. Part of that is due to his running style ect.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 09, 2017, 12:59:43 PM
His hesitating, avoiding contact, evasive, etc... running style might be his saving grace in terms of durability. It's just so hard to predict with running backs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 09, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
There was one and only one example of elite QB play yesterday and that was Aaron Rodgers.

Roethlisberger and Eli were equally very good.

Make up your mind.  Was there only one or three?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 09, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
There was one and only one example of elite QB play yesterday and that was Aaron Rodgers.

Roethlisberger and Eli were equally very good.

Make up your mind.  Was there only one or three?

Yeah Spicoli! :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 09, 2017, 07:26:26 PM


They are better than K.C. too, but that doesn't mean they will win.

That remains to be seen. I get that KC is not a sexy pick, but they are a great team.  They have the 2 seed and a bye for a reason (okay, two reasons, Carr getting hurt being the other :lol).

PowerSlave I'm with you on Ben and I've been down this road with Kev before. Unfortunately it seems like Kev just does't like Ben and pulls certain stats or arguments to support a conclusion he has already come to. But whatever, it's all good. I'm sure Ben's good with his champions that he has won and he will be without question, a first ballot hall of famer.

I actually have no problem with Ben.  I actually thought he was underrated for years, when some referred to him as a game manager (which is often meant as a criticism), but then at some point, he became overrated.  To explain, he has always struck me as a second tier QB (like the 5th to 7th best in the league), so when some were saying he was a game manager, or average, they were underrating him, but now many overrate him by putting him in the top tier where he doesn't belong.  Make sense?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 09, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
I look at Big Ben like Gronk. Imagine if both could stay healthy?


Problem is what makes them great lead them to get injured.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 10, 2017, 07:55:03 AM
I actually have no problem with Ben.  I actually thought he was underrated for years, when some referred to him as a game manager (which is often meant as a criticism), but then at some point, he became overrated.  To explain, he has always struck me as a second tier QB (like the 5th to 7th best in the league), so when some were saying he was a game manager, or average, they were underrating him, but now many overrate him by putting him in the top tier where he doesn't belong.  Make sense?

Oh I get it, it makes sense, we just don't agree on this topic, that's all. I respect your opinion, you clearly follow football WAY closer than I do nowadays, we just feel differently in this regard.

Also - I have actually never, ever heard Ben described as a game manager type of quarterback...Most local media in the Pittsburgh area that cover the team closely have viewed Ben as a gunslinger type of QB for a long time. Just in recent seasons he's started to shed that label a bit. They (the local media boys) usually want him to be more of a game manager (they perceive he would get hurt less that way).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 10, 2017, 11:47:45 AM
I actually have no problem with Ben.  I actually thought he was underrated for years, when some referred to him as a game manager (which is often meant as a criticism), but then at some point, he became overrated.  To explain, he has always struck me as a second tier QB (like the 5th to 7th best in the league), so when some were saying he was a game manager, or average, they were underrating him, but now many overrate him by putting him in the top tier where he doesn't belong.  Make sense?

Oh I get it, it makes sense, we just don't agree on this topic, that's all. I respect your opinion, you clearly follow football WAY closer than I do nowadays, we just feel differently in this regard.

Also - I have actually never, ever heard Ben described as a game manager type of quarterback...Most local media in the Pittsburgh area that cover the team closely have viewed Ben as a gunslinger type of QB for a long time. Just in recent seasons he's started to shed that label a bit. They (the local media boys) usually want him to be more of a game manager (they perceive he would get hurt less that way).

Ben was never known as a game manager, by local or national press. His strengths were always described as being able to avoid sacks, escape the pocket and improvise on the run. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the use of the "game manager" phrase.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 10, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
I think early on many did view him as a game manager. When the team was very run-heavy, he attempted few passes, and was more or less hidden in the offense aside from the occasional shot down the field. Obviously he developed fairly quickly and became more involved, however, especially once Arians took over the offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: splent on January 10, 2017, 09:24:14 PM
My take on games:

Ne vs Houston - well duh

Pitt vs KC - I think this will be closer than many realize esp with Ben hurt. I think KC pulls it off, but I wok the be surprised either way. It's going to be a close one.

Atl vs Sea - I think the falcons take it. Seahawks are just too inconsistent.

Dal vs GB - in my completely unbiased opinion GB will stuff Elliott and rip the Cowboys to shreds
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 11, 2017, 07:07:36 AM
Questions from last weekend:  the hits on Miami QB Moore, and Packer WR Nelson.....were there fines, and of what amount?  I thought both were 'football' plays, with no launching, intentional cheap shots, etc. 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 11, 2017, 07:16:05 AM


They are better than K.C. too, but that doesn't mean they will win.

That remains to be seen. I get that KC is not a sexy pick, but they are a great team.  They have the 2 seed and a bye for a reason (okay, two reasons, Carr getting hurt being the other :lol).

PowerSlave I'm with you on Ben and I've been down this road with Kev before. Unfortunately it seems like Kev just does't like Ben and pulls certain stats or arguments to support a conclusion he has already come to. But whatever, it's all good. I'm sure Ben's good with his champions that he has won and he will be without question, a first ballot hall of famer.

I actually have no problem with Ben.  I actually thought he was underrated for years, when some referred to him as a game manager (which is often meant as a criticism), but then at some point, he became overrated.  To explain, he has always struck me as a second tier QB (like the 5th to 7th best in the league), so when some were saying he was a game manager, or average, they were underrating him, but now many overrate him by putting him in the top tier where he doesn't belong.  Make sense?

Totally cool. I've been unreasonably vocal of my support for Ben as great because he doesn't do it consistently enough on the road. His last 16 home games are INSANE, like 5400 yards and 50 TDs, but on the road pretty average. That needs to change NOW.

One quick thing, his counting stats sometimes don't impress as much because of the games he's  missed, but if you pro-rate his stats out he's over 4000 yds each of the last 8 years and averaging 30 TDs. Too many picks though, which is why this KC game really scares me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 11, 2017, 07:21:12 AM
Questions from last weekend:  the hits on Miami QB Moore, and Packer WR Nelson.....were there fines, and of what amount?  I thought both were 'football' plays, with no launching, intentional cheap shots, etc.

At the time of this post Dupree has not been fined on the Moore hit, I suspect he will though. I didn't think the Nelson hit was illegal, maybe a little late, but it was a normal rib shot. No fine yet on that either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 11, 2017, 08:30:53 AM
^
Thank you.

btw, was anyone surprised at Rodgers' Hail Mary last weekend?  How odd is it that I figured their chance for success on that play was around 75%.  Four of them in thirteen months (I'm counting two vs. Arizona) and a handful of long, late TD throws. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: T-ski on January 11, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
Questions from last weekend:  the hits on Miami QB Moore, and Packer WR Nelson.....were there fines, and of what amount?  I thought both were 'football' plays, with no launching, intentional cheap shots, etc.

At the time of this post Dupree has not been fined on the Moore hit, I suspect he will though. I didn't think the Nelson hit was illegal, maybe a little late, but it was a normal rib shot. No fine yet on that either.

the hit on Nelson was illegal because the defender led with his helmet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2017, 09:16:51 AM
^
Thank you.

btw, was anyone surprised at Rodgers' Hail Mary last weekend?  How odd is it that I figured their chance for success on that play was around 75%.  Four of them in thirteen months (I'm counting two vs. Arizona) and a handful of long, late TD throws.

Yea, I felt very much like they were going to convert that hail mary.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 11, 2017, 09:20:21 AM
My take on games:

Ne vs Houston - well duh

Pitt vs KC - I think this will be closer than many realize esp with Ben hurt. I think KC pulls it off, but I wok the be surprised either way. It's going to be a close one.

Atl vs Sea - I think the falcons take it. Seahawks are just too inconsistent.

Dal vs GB - in my completely unbiased opinion GB will stuff Elliott and rip the Cowboys to shreds

I'm with you on your picks, even if your reasoning is totally suspect. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 11, 2017, 09:49:08 AM
Questions from last weekend:  the hits on Miami QB Moore, and Packer WR Nelson.....were there fines, and of what amount?  I thought both were 'football' plays, with no launching, intentional cheap shots, etc.

At the time of this post Dupree has not been fined on the Moore hit, I suspect he will though. I didn't think the Nelson hit was illegal, maybe a little late, but it was a normal rib shot. No fine yet on that either.

the hit on Nelson was illegal because the defender led with his helmet.

Yeah, just watched it again, his helmet did hit first, my bad.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 11, 2017, 10:01:01 AM
Questions from last weekend:  the hits on Miami QB Moore, and Packer WR Nelson.....were there fines, and of what amount?  I thought both were 'football' plays, with no launching, intentional cheap shots, etc.

At the time of this post Dupree has not been fined on the Moore hit, I suspect he will though. I didn't think the Nelson hit was illegal, maybe a little late, but it was a normal rib shot. No fine yet on that either.

the hit on Nelson was illegal because the defender led with his helmet.

I know it was 'illegal', but I still thought it was a 'football' play.  No 'malice' or intent to injure.  If Nelson holds on, the defender is aiming to hit the ball and knock it loose.  A lot changes in that last split second.  On Christmas Day, the Ravens and Steelers were flagged for helmet to helmet fouls.  Both fan bases were upset with the calls.  Under the new rules, I 'guess' they got them right, and I understand, but, in each instance, there was no launching or aiming at the head.  They were simply making a tackle, and the ball carrier's body lowered a fraction before the hit.  Since they are subjective calls, I wish those type of plays were only 5 yard penalties.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2017, 10:10:50 AM
Questions from last weekend:  the hits on Miami QB Moore, and Packer WR Nelson.....were there fines, and of what amount?  I thought both were 'football' plays, with no launching, intentional cheap shots, etc.

At the time of this post Dupree has not been fined on the Moore hit, I suspect he will though. I didn't think the Nelson hit was illegal, maybe a little late, but it was a normal rib shot. No fine yet on that either.

the hit on Nelson was illegal because the defender led with his helmet.

Yeah, just watched it again, his helmet did hit first, my bad.

Watching that play live, I didn't think it was illegal, but later in the game they showed it again saying how he would get a fine and I kind of agreed.  He did lean with the helmet so by definition thats an illegal hit, but I kind of still think that was just a football play because I don't see any intent and it did seem like he was going for the ball, but if he got fined I don't think that would be wrong either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 11, 2017, 01:33:20 PM
Winners this weekend:

New England
Kansas City
Atlanta
Green Bay
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - No Romo? No Problem!
Post by: KevShmev on January 11, 2017, 07:17:46 PM
Divisional Round Power Rankings
1. New England - their cakewalk to the AFCCG continues this week
2. Dallas - if they truly are the NFC's best, they will have proven it the next two weeks
3. Kansas City - a better team than many think
4. Atlanta - time to shut up the naysayers
5. Green Bay - Rodgers is All-World right now
6. Pittsburgh - Bell and Brown are scary, but they'll need to turn their road woes around to get to New England
7. Seattle - feels like many are still picking them thinking they can suddenly become the 2013 Seahawks again
8. Houston - this team is still a fraud
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: dparrott on January 12, 2017, 12:25:04 AM
Chargers informed the league of their intentions to move to L.A.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 12, 2017, 02:00:41 AM
Chargers informed the league of their intentions to move to L.A.

I'm sad to see that. It's never a good thing to see a city lose their team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2017, 06:41:21 AM
Not for nothing, but you never see last year's Super Bowl winner saying "we're moving!" 

I tend to think that is the ultimate example of incompetent, out-of-touch leadership.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2017, 09:57:28 AM
I dont understand why they want to go to LA.  It seems to me, they missed that opportunity to be LA's team last year.  LA hadn't been known to support one team, now they are going to support two?  I guess we will see, but I'd image Las Vegas would have been a better destination (other than staying in San Diego).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 12, 2017, 10:15:19 AM
Because they can't get a new stadium in San Diego. It's all about the dollar.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 12, 2017, 10:19:57 AM
Meanwhile, they'll be playing in a stadium that holds 27,000 people for two years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 12, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
Hopefully the owners don't approve the relocation. One look at the Ram's bleachers tells you that LA doesn't need 2 teams.

But it's all about money, and it seems that the bulk of the money is the television deals....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: kaos2900 on January 12, 2017, 11:13:29 AM
I was just about to ask how this got approved. There is no way to spin that this is a good thing for the NFL.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 12, 2017, 11:24:19 AM
The league wants 2 teams for the new stadium.   It's going to be a leviathan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 12, 2017, 12:31:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw

(and you probably thought this would be Pink Floyd
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 12, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
Not for nothing, but you never see last year's Super Bowl winner saying "we're moving!" 

I tend to think that is the ultimate example of incompetent, out-of-touch leadership.

Very true. There have been rumblings about their poor leadership for many years. I remember the 2004 draft when Eli Manning basically told them to go to hell. Then again in this past year's draft how Joey Bosa was handled. The team's management and ownership seem to be out to lunch.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 12, 2017, 05:12:06 PM
These games are tough to pick, except one. I suppose I should have begun this contest by guessing scores for each game and then we could have had a winner for each week based on closest points, but oh well.

Falcons
Patriots
Chiefs
Packers

Yes I'm using reverse psychology with the Chiefs pick 😛.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 12, 2017, 05:29:12 PM
In the meantime, the Broncos got a new head coach whom I know nothing about. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 12, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
Falcons
Patriots
Steelers
Cowboys
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: dparrott on January 12, 2017, 07:51:45 PM
Hopefully the owners don't approve the relocation. One look at the Ram's bleachers tells you that LA doesn't need 2 teams.

The Jan 1 game I went to had a good crowd for a four win team that got blown out on the last day of the season.  Average is 83K.  A better team would produce even higher numbers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: dparrott on January 12, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Meanwhile, they'll be playing in a stadium that holds 27,000 people for two years.

Yea, that's crazy.  But at least they'll have plenty of sell outs!  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 12, 2017, 07:54:32 PM
What sucks is owners bleeping us fans for a few more dollars in their pockets moving.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Cool Chris on January 12, 2017, 08:28:09 PM
What sucks is owners bleeping us fans for a few more dollars in their pockets moving.

And the populace saying enough is enough with regards to these ballot initiatives to raise billions of dollars every few years for a new stadium, when the proclaim the current one is outdated before the paint seems to have completely dried.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 12, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
NFL owners convincing taxpayers to fund their stadiums is one of the greatest con jobs ever.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: PowerSlave on January 12, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
NFL owners convincing taxpayers to fund their stadiums is one of the greatest con jobs ever.

Having lived in North Central Ohio my entire life (though I'm not a fan of the team), I couldn't agree with this more. I've recently heard rumors that the Raiders are talking about going to San Diego thinking that they can get a deal done there for a new stadium where the Bolts couldn't. And then I read an article last week about a legal dispute between the 49'ers and the city that they're currently saddled up with. It can't be easy to be a football fan in Cali these days.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 13, 2017, 03:59:52 AM
What sucks is owners bleeping us fans for a few more dollars in their pockets moving.

And the populace saying enough is enough with regards to these ballot initiatives to raise billions of dollars every few years for a new stadium, when the proclaim the current one is outdated before the paint seems to have completely dried.

Can't disagree with that.  The owners are evil.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Stadler on January 13, 2017, 06:13:29 AM
As some of you know, I'm not a "twitter guy" by any stretch (I think it's one of the four signs of the apocalypse) but I love how other teams went on a nice marketing jag yesterday ragging on the new Chargers logo, to the point that finally, the Chargers tweeted something like "This is NOT our new logo, it was just a temporary one for marketing purposes." 

Which also got ridiculed.  :)   

In the age of social media, moving a bad organization to LA is not going to solve all - or maybe even ANY - of its problems. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-chargers-unveil-new-logo-twitter-mocks-it-and-offers-its-own-versions/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 13, 2017, 06:50:41 AM
The Tampa Bay Lightning sent out a tweet with their logo and the new Chargers logo with the quote, "Ahem." :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 13, 2017, 07:31:01 AM
NFL owners convincing taxpayers to fund their stadiums is one of the greatest con jobs ever.

SO true.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: dparrott on January 13, 2017, 08:29:46 AM
The Tampa Bay Lightning sent out a tweet with their logo and the new Chargers logo with the quote, "Ahem." :lol

The bigger joke was that it was a cross between the LA Dodgers and Lightning logos.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: dparrott on January 13, 2017, 08:32:21 AM
Just thinking ahead here: The Raiders will play the Chargers in the city of Carson, a gang town, and the stadium's capacity is only 27K.  That's gonna go over well!  :lol  Better call out the National Guard for that one!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: FracturedMirror on January 13, 2017, 09:34:01 AM
(https://i.redd.it/o1djqz9r3d9y.png)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 13, 2017, 10:05:31 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 13, 2017, 10:11:44 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 13, 2017, 10:44:33 AM
Jordy Nelson OUT for GB this weekend.  Huge loss.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: bosk1 on January 13, 2017, 11:01:56 AM
Not a surprise though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Architeuthis on January 13, 2017, 11:22:55 AM
Dallas Cowboys
Seattle Seahawks
Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 13, 2017, 11:41:32 AM
Dallas Cowboys
Seattle Seahawks
Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots

I think these are my picks for this weekend as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 13, 2017, 01:04:27 PM
Jordy Nelson OUT for GB this weekend.  Huge loss.

True, but Rodgers, Cobb and Adams did pretty well without him against NY in the 2nd half of that game.


Dallas Cowboys
Seattle Seahawks
Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots

My picks are the home teams.

DAL
ATL
KC
NE
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 13, 2017, 01:13:28 PM
This just in...Steelers/Chiefs game moved to 8:20pm ET Sunday due to weather and public safety concerns.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 13, 2017, 01:26:24 PM
Bunch of BS

Prime time for the do rey me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 13, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
This just in...Steelers/Chiefs game moved to 8:20pm ET Sunday due to weather and public safety concerns.

Not surprised.  Most of Missouri is getting hit with freezing rain for the next 44 hours.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2017, 03:24:44 PM
This just in...Steelers/Chiefs game moved to 8:20pm ET Sunday due to weather and public safety concerns.

Not surprised.  Most of Missouri is getting hit with freezing rain for the next 44 hours.

With lots of people off from work Monday, the move makes lots of sense IMO.  Now we got SNF and maybe more eyes on TV for the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 13, 2017, 07:57:06 PM
Seattle over Atlanta (even without Lockett and Thomas)  They aren't going to fall behind 31-0 as they did against Carolina last year.
NE over Houston (the only lock of the weekend)
Dallas over Green Bay once they work out the early game jitters
KC over Pitt in what should be the best game of the weekend
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 14, 2017, 10:03:30 AM
I know it's easy to say that NE is a lock because they're NE.  Yeah, the odds are that they will most likely win.  The only way Houston has a chance is getting to Brady and disrupting his timing which will be difficult.  On the other hand, from what I've heard, NE is smart enough not to take anything for granted against the Texans defense.  If they play well, Osweiler will need to have a better than decent game and take care of the ball in order to eek out a win.  Then again, it could be a blowout by NE which I hope doesn't happen.  We shall see...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 12:04:15 PM
Houston has to out score N.E. and that will not happen. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 14, 2017, 12:48:20 PM
My predictions for the Divisional Round: Falcons, Patriots, Packers and Chiefs to win. I know I'm choosing the Packers over the No. 1-seeded Cowboys, but playoff football is a totally different beast to regular-season football, and it's easy to forget after the season he's had, that Dak Prescott is a rookie. Rodgers has done it before, he's been all the way before. I feel like his experience at this level will see the Packers over the line, and they're on a hot streak at the moment.

I'm 3-1 for playoff predictions after the wildcard weekend.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
How bout dem Seahawks!!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
How bout dem Falcons!!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 14, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
This looks like a shootout in the making.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Agreed.   I think this will be the closest game in the playoffs this year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 14, 2017, 03:31:39 PM
LOL Hawks.  79 yd Hester punt return gets called back by a penalty and then ATL ends up getting a safety.  84 yd swing in field position.   :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 14, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
I know the Seahawks always seem to bounce back no matter the hole they're in but if the Falcons offense keep that momentum of slicing and dicing that defense like they did in the end of the half, I don't think the seahawks have much of a chance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Yup.  Total fold by my Hawks.  Too bad.  But I've seen them come back from worse (cough *green bay* cough) 

We'll see.   It doesn't look good, but never count them out. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 14, 2017, 05:26:57 PM
If not for that Wilson pick, they would've had a better chance.  Now that ATL just scored again, it's pretty much over.  Hawks never recovered after that penalty on the Hester punt return and then the safety a couple plays later.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 05:33:59 PM
Seattle didn't fold; Atlanta is just better. And that showed over 60 minutes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 14, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
Seattle didn't fold; Atlanta is just better. And that showed over 60 minutes.

Exactly...


This catch may be overturned.. but I am extremely impressed with what this Richardson dude has done in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2017, 05:43:57 PM
They could still...........

(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/carexplosion_zpscgpq9fws.jpg~original)



...oh....probably not now.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Damn, i wish Freeman had scored there. I would love to have seen them put up a 40-spot on those arrogant knobs in Seattle.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 14, 2017, 05:51:56 PM
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977111_10208526941798752_5165164408777654815_n.jpg?oh=ee8b00e7e0f6c6aa398f11e1b8ea0e6e&oe=5912E7A6)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 05:56:07 PM
 :lol :lol

And you know, for as much shit as the Falcons take for supposedly never doing anything in the playoffs, they just advanced to their 4th NFCCG in the last 20 years; that's pretty good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 06:50:06 PM
Dion Lewis.


BOOM!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 07:10:13 PM
Hey Pats!!  You're letting an inferior team in the game with stupid turnovers!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2017, 07:32:09 PM
UGLY!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 14, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
That Pats offense looked like an avg team in the first half. I think if it was any other offense than Houston they'd be all over the Pats by now. The Texans defense is really good, I'm sensing the patriots are going to pull away in the second half though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 07:58:45 PM
You have to seriously question Bill O'Brien's ability to coach a QB; Osweiler should not look this awful.  While not a world beater last year by any means, he looked good in Denver for the most part.  Granted, O'Brien is no Kubiak, but given that he is a QB guy, he should be coaching this guy up a lot more.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 14, 2017, 08:02:08 PM
Yeah Osweiler is plain awful so far, he's had plenty of opportunity to really shine and put them in the lead.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
Brady crying to the ref cause a defender dared hit him is always entertaining.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2017, 08:26:05 PM
I'm glad you're entertained, but it should've been flagged. The contact was fine, but continuing through with the drag down was late.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 08:35:50 PM
Brady crying to the ref cause a defender dared hit him is always entertaining.

Kev, come on now.  They all complain when the ball is long gone and they are taken down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 08:37:06 PM
I'm glad you're entertained, but it should've been flagged. The contact was fine, but continuing through with the drag down was late.

Nope.

Kev, come on now.  They all complain when the ball is long gone and they are taken down.

Not like him. He looks like a child having a tantrum when he screams at the refs for it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
I'm glad you're entertained, but it should've been flagged. The contact was fine, but continuing through with the drag down was late.

Nope.

Yup.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 08:42:45 PM
Meanwhile, Brady in playoff form with two picks now (and should have been three, but Houston dropped it).  :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 08:43:26 PM
Kev, he bitches all the time.   :lol.

Come on now.  Hey. Kudos to the Texans staff, what a great game plan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 08:45:00 PM
Meanwhile, Brady in playoff form with two picks now (and should have been three, but Houston dropped it).  :tup :tup

So his career 57  touchdowns playoff form as well?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 14, 2017, 08:48:00 PM
Tow Sawyer playing on the stadium PA, nice. This game is closer than anyone probably thought.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
KevShmev in playoff form, bitching about the Patriots.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 08:50:00 PM
Yup, I heard that.

Btw Kev, late hit there?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 08:51:19 PM

Btw Kev, late hit there?

Yep, easy call that time.

Meanwhile, Brady in playoff form with two picks now (and should have been three, but Houston dropped it).  :tup :tup

So his career 57  touchdowns playoff form as well?

58, actually.  And 30 INTs. In 32 playoff games.  Not nearly as good as his regular season numbers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 14, 2017, 08:54:22 PM
I think that first late hit should've been called as well, but Brady did whine like a baby then.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
All ways expected in the playoffs for obvious reasons.   

And interception.  Thankfully.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 14, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Crazy to be the first player in the playoffs to score a TD in 3 different ways.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 09:04:51 PM
Ray Lewis  ✔@raylewis
It's Called Football Brady
9:22 PM - 14 Jan 2017
   2,270 2,270 Retweets   2,689 2,689 likes
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2017, 09:07:22 PM
Oh Ray Lewis tweeted?

Then in that case, I take it all back. What was I thinking? All hail the mighty fucking Ray Lewis!


What a douchebag!

(not you Kev)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 09:09:41 PM
Go make a motivational speech that is incoherent you ass.


And the Pats can't keep a tight end healthy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 09:56:25 PM
Ray Lew is definitely a d-bag, but I think his point is: this is football; you are going to get hit; don't whine about it every time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
I've seen him whine before.  Always easy to say that when you are not playing anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Cool Chris on January 14, 2017, 10:21:17 PM
Ray Lewis just released another tweet, indicating he gave a misleading statement, and that he was not at the scene for the first tweet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 08:00:08 AM
Ray Lewis just released another tweet, indicating he gave a misleading statement, and that he was not at the scene for the first tweet.

Awesome!

NE lucky of course that they had ball security issues while playing against Osweiler, different result if playing a good QB. That said, they did what they needed to.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: DragonAttack on January 15, 2017, 08:01:56 AM
Ray Lewis:  most of us around Bmore tuned him out eons ago.

Moving on....very,very impressed with the Atlanta offense yesterday.  I know they had put up good numbers, but not against great teams.  They'll do well next week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
NE lucky of course that they had ball security issues while playing against Osweiler, different result if playing a good QB. That said, they did what they needed to.

Yep.  It's crazy to look at the starting quarterbacks of the teams they have beaten this season:

Carson Palmer
Ryan Tannehill
Brock Osweiler
Cody Kessler
Andy Dalton
Landry Jones
Tyrod Taylor
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jared Goff
Joe Flacco
Trevor Siemian
Bryce Petty
Matt Moore
Brock Osweiler
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 15, 2017, 09:00:40 AM
Everybody going in on Ray Lewis for saying what every football fan (save some Pats fans) was thinking. Good call y'all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
Everybody going in on Ray Lewis for saying what every football fan (save some Pats fans) was thinking. Good call y'all.

Sports fans are defensive about their team by nature anyway, and their cheating scandals have made the Patriots fans dig in even more when anyone criticizes them for anything, so I am not surprised that NE fans all over the internet are blowing a gasket over what Ray Lewis tweeted.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 09:08:46 AM
The reason we respond is that we've seen first hand Ray go to the refs and cry.  It's funny to read Earl Thomas tweet as well when his division is worse than the AFC East.

Players need to shut their pie holes when they can be called out for the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 09:12:25 AM
Yes, but all crying isn't the same. :P  Like I said last night, when Brady bitches to the officials, he literally looks like a child having a tantrum.  I get it, he is the golden boy and is used to being protected more than any QB ever, so when he doesn't get a call, he has to be thinking, "What happened, guys?"  And the tantrum comes out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
He does :lol

I blame the league for these rules on the QB'S.  Now when a player is a few seconds later with a hit after a throw all the QB'S not complain.

BTW,  did you guys see the ice on the seats at the Chief's stadium?  Holy cow!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 09:20:04 AM
I didn't, but I'm not surprised. That ice storm has hit pretty much all of Missouri since Friday morning (although where I am in St. Louis didn't get it as bad as we were supposed to), hence the game getting pushed back to tonight. 

Back to the complaining, WRs complaining about calls is far worse.  I get that they are working the officials for PI flags, but it's get tiresome seeing every WR throw up his arms for a flag nearly every time a DB makes a good play.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 09:24:53 AM
The more the league make rules to get more offense, the more crying we will see in every game.  Offensive players look for any touch and throw a his system fit.

As fans, watching these replays in slow motion, high def makes us crybabies as well.  The old days were a lot easier to watch games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: orcus116 on January 15, 2017, 09:40:16 AM
Back to the complaining, WRs complaining about calls is far worse.  I get that they are working the officials for PI flags, but it's get tiresome seeing every WR throw up his arms for a flag nearly every time a DB makes a good play.

This is by far my biggest complaint as far as on-field play goes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2017, 09:51:11 AM
Yes, but all crying isn't the same. :P  Like I said last night, when Brady bitches to the officials, he literally looks like a child having a tantrum.  I get it, he is the golden boy and is used to being protected more than any QB ever, so when he doesn't get a call, he has to be thinking, "What happened, guys?"  And the tantrum comes out.

I'll say this. It is funny to watch Brady throw a tantrum. He does look like a ten y/o.  :lol

But if anything the last two years have shown us, is that he is most definitely NOT the league's golden boy. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: pogoowner on January 15, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
Speaking of whining to the officials, did anyone else see this? Officials call DPI 50% more often when they're on the offensive team's sideline.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-coaches-yell-at-refs-because-it-freakin-works/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 10:18:36 AM
You know the coaches and players know this too.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 15, 2017, 11:48:21 AM
So...how is everyone filling the void? First Sunday with no NFL at 1pm ET since early September. :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
If that wasn't defensive holding, nothing is.

But it ends up moot, cause Rodgers is just stupid right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: RoeDent on January 15, 2017, 03:22:36 PM
This has "controversial, game changing officiating decision" written all over it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 03:27:25 PM
Early on, Dallas's D is no match for Rodgers and the Packers offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 03:28:49 PM
Rodgers is on fire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
I love how GB has no fear now of having Rodgers drop back to throw on nearly every down. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 03:37:06 PM
And seemingly someone is open getting 6 yards or better every throw.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
A total mismatch thus far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
I can't stand conservatism, and it makes no sense against Rodgers. Why not go for 2 there to make it a 10 point game? If you miss, you're down 2 touchdowns either way.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 04:01:02 PM
Too easy to start chasing the points.

Meanwhile, Dallas is getting away with all kinds of holds on Gb WRs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Too easy to start chasing the points.

Meanwhile, Dallas is getting away with all kinds of holds on Gb WRs.

Just gonna say the same thing. Blatant stuff.

To me, this is easily the most exasperating thing about the NFL right now. There is NO consistency on how they call holding (off or def) and pass interference. Totally random. Holding on every play, and once in awhile they decide to flag it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2017, 04:18:24 PM
Too easy to start chasing the points.

Meanwhile, Dallas is getting away with all kinds of holds on Gb WRs.

Just gonna say the same thing. Blatant stuff.

To me, this is easily the most exasperating thing about the NFL right now. There is NO consistency on how they call holding (off or def) and pass interference. Totally random. Holding on every play, and once in awhile they decide to flag it.

What's upsetting is when it's GLARING. It goes on every play and for the most part it's 'allowed'....but when they are glaring holds, especially on receivers that's what drives me insane. There were three solid...glaring holds on GB receivers in the first half that were ignored.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 04:18:57 PM
Dallas got some momentum going into the half. You can just tell this will go down to the wire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Dallas got some momentum going into the half. You can just tell this will go down to the wire.

Yep. It'll be interesting to see if GB gets any points on the opening drive of the second half.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2017, 04:43:44 PM
Dallas got some momentum going into the half. You can just tell this will go down to the wire.

Yep. It'll be interesting to see if GB gets any points on the opening drive of the second half.

Hmm...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2017, 04:46:53 PM
Wow what a pick!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2017, 05:07:17 PM
If someone told me that Jason Whitten had never caught a post season TD, I would've never believed them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 15, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
You called it Kev.  Going down to the wire.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 05:33:59 PM
Yep. Prescott and Elliot are both really good.

Time for Rodgers to impose his will and get the win.  FG won't cut it; go for the touchdown.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 15, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
This has "controversial, game changing officiating decision" written all over it.

You called it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 05:46:30 PM
Crosby bails them out of some atrocious play-calling.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 05:51:12 PM
What a game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2017, 05:51:31 PM
That's a money FG, and drive for the Cowboys!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 05:58:26 PM
What a catch by Cook. Wow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 05:58:44 PM
What a throw and catch to set up a 50 yard field goal!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 06:01:00 PM
Holy shit!! 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 15, 2017, 06:02:33 PM
This is one of the best football games I have ever seen. So much drama and so many moments that will make future highlight reels. Even that game winning field goal looked like it wasn't gonna make it at first and curved back in at the last second. This will probably end up being the best game of the season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 06:03:15 PM
This is one of the best football games I have ever seen. So much drama and so many moments that will make future highlight reels. Even that game winning field goal looked like it wasn't gonna make it at first and curved back in at the last second. This will probably end up being the best game of the season.

Couldn't have said it better.  Just unreal.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
Just wow. What can be said? Unreal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 06:07:45 PM
Rodgers is SICK.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
The way he throws on the,run is mind blowing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 15, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
What an amazing game and I am very glad the Packers came out on top. Those non calls by the refs favoring the Cowboys were really pissing me off. I mean this Dallas team is legit, nothing to take away from them. They played amazing as well and I for sure thought they would win after tying the game. Packers will have it very tough against the Falcons who just might head to the superbowl.
But wow what an amazing game, I'm not a home supporter of any of the two teams but man did it keep me on the edge.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Accelerando on January 15, 2017, 06:12:26 PM
🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 06:13:53 PM
Saw this...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Prb5dUoAAJeGz.jpg)

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 15, 2017, 06:20:16 PM
Incredible game for sure. Can't wait to see Rodgers and Ryan do their thing next week.

Now GO CHIEFS!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 06:20:37 PM
 :lol

I'm just upset its horse face that gets to do that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 15, 2017, 06:21:25 PM
Oh well, can't say it wasn't a good game.  That was football at its finest.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 06:23:51 PM


I'm just upset its horse face that gets to do that.

Might be worth DVRing that nonsense tomorrow. :lol :lol

Also, I've seen Shannon Sharpe on Cowherd's show (which I DVR every day and occasionally flip through to hear sports talk), and he does a good job with analysis. Yeah, he's a loud mouth, but his insight is very good. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
Oh I know but you know....  :lol

So Goodell was at Atlanta this weekend so........ :lol


He'llbe back at Atlanta next week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: contest_sanity on January 15, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
Cowboys left Rogers too much time. Falcon fan here; I hope we can avoid a similar fate next week. I have confidence in our team, but Rodgers terrifies me... should be a great game. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 06:33:57 PM
Oh I know but you know....  :lol

So Goodell was at Atlanta this weekend so........ :lol


He'llbe back at Atlanta next week.

Haha, yep.

Cowboys left Rogers too much time. Falcon fan here; I hope we can avoid a similar fate next week. I have confidence in our team, but Rodgers terrifies me... should be a great game.

Both teams should score a lot.  Both defenses are playing better, but both can be had, and will be by the opposing offenses.  Not getting Jordy Nelson back will hurt the Pack, though. I don't care what they say, with cracked ribs, you aren't coming back that soon.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 07:09:12 PM
Horrible play calling in the red zone. Three field goals  :facepalm:.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: splent on January 15, 2017, 07:14:21 PM
Saw this...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Prb5dUoAAJeGz.jpg)

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

I hate skip bayless with a passion. What excuses will he give NOW
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: faizoff on January 15, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
I'm going to wager that the Steelers are going to come out on top of this game making this my only wrong pick in the playoffs so far. This game has been really tight and defense dominated on both sides. I think if the Steelers win this, they're going to the superbowl. I don't know if the patriots given how they played yesterday get the better of the steelers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2017, 08:22:31 PM
The only team in the AFC that Pats fans consider a threat is the Steelers. So they'll give the Pats a game for sure. I wouldn't look at yesterday's game to mean anything next week. The best thing about it is that they played like shit and it gives Belichick a reason to ride their asses all week. And as bad as they played, they still covered the fourth biggest point spread in playoff history.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 15, 2017, 08:56:09 PM
So we go from a thriller to field goals galore.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Dream Team on January 15, 2017, 09:20:57 PM
I guess the only reason for me to be excited is that just by regression to the mean, they'll be better in the red zone next week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
Awful game tonight.  The Chiefs offense is so boring to watch, and the Steelers did all they could to keep KC in the game. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Rattlehead on January 15, 2017, 09:50:34 PM
I'm just glad that the Chiefs are out  :xbones
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Divisional Week
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 16, 2017, 04:18:16 AM
I get home Friday and they announce the time change....I'm like, F&^k you NFL! I gotta wake up Mon. morning at 4AM EST. and I know how my Steelers play...they can never put a game away when they should when they play at night, and sure enough. After that incredible early game, I was expecting at least 1 TD by them. Horrible play calling by PIT. in the red zone, gotta give the ball to Bell. They clearly dominated that game and still squeaked it out. At least they're D looks good, but I'm afraid they reached the end of the line. I can't see PIT. going into Gillette and winning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 07:22:09 AM
Well the Steelers got the win, but need to play much better moving forward if they have any chance against the Pats.

Running the ball with Bell worked great in the first half, but KC adjusted at halftime and did much better against the run in the second half. Once again Haley failed to recognize this and adjust properly and continued to be too run heavy. I get it, Ben clearly was not 100% but man, he has to figure out how to make adjustments.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 16, 2017, 07:28:55 AM
One other thing I didn't notice right away about the Packers - Cowboys game was the sack that Rodgers took and how he held on to that ball, in watching that replay later I don't know how he hung on to that ball. 9/10 I'm sure that's a fumble.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 07:39:12 AM
Can't believe he held on to the ball either. But the defender should've tried to put a hand on it though.


Is it me, or does Travis Kelce seem like a tool?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 07:45:50 AM
Is it me, or does Travis Kelce seem like a tool?

As a super biased Steeler fan, the morning after playing his team, I'd say yes.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 16, 2017, 08:26:01 AM


Is it me, or does Travis Kelce seem like a tool?

His postgame interview was ridiculous.  He should be fined for that garbage.

Now what Antonio Brown did postgame.... he crossed a line....... don't know if he'll get what he deserves since he's so good... but  all things equal... he shouldn't play next week
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 08:29:46 AM
Now what Antonio Brown did postgame.... he crossed a line....... don't know if he'll get what he deserves since he's so good... but  all things equal... he shouldn't play next week

You mean the facebook live video?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 08:35:58 AM


Is it me, or does Travis Kelce seem like a tool?

His postgame interview was ridiculous.  He should be fined for that garbage.

Now what Antonio Brown did postgame.... he crossed a line....... don't know if he'll get what he deserves since he's so good... but  all things equal... he shouldn't play next week

Huh. I didn't see either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 16, 2017, 08:36:17 AM
Now what Antonio Brown did postgame.... he crossed a line....... don't know if he'll get what he deserves since he's so good... but  all things equal... he shouldn't play next week

You mean the facebook live video?

Of course. There are certain lines that you don't cross. I loved Coach Tomlin's message, but that wasn't meant for public consuption.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 08:46:28 AM
Wow! I just watched as much as I could stomach of Brown's video on YouTube.

Love when Tomlin goes something like stay off or be cool on social media, and Brown says "F@#k that s%#t."


Pretty sure Belichick is showing that video to the Pats this morning.

Wow, what a D-bag.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
Yup, I have no issue with Tomlin saying what he said, it was, like you said, meant for the privacy of the locker room.

Brown is an absolute idiot and should not have live streamed all that. I agree he crossed a line. I'd be willing to bet a lot that the Steelers don't do anything about it, for a variety of reasons, but a line was definitely crossed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 16, 2017, 08:57:07 AM
Wow! I just watched as much as I could stomach of Brown's video on YouTube.

Love when Tomlin goes something like stay off or be cool on social media, and Brown says "F@#k that s%#t."


Pretty sure Belichick is showing that video to the Pats this morning.

Wow, what a D-bag.

Agreed....just plain stupid. :omg:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 08:58:49 AM
Tomlin was excellent, and I don't think he gets half of the credit he deserves.

But he knows that no one uses bulletin board material better than Belichick, and that was his message. He was undermined before he even began. If the Steelers don't win and Brown has an off game, he's (Brown) going to look like a fool.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
Tomlin was excellent, and I don't think he gets half of the credit he deserves.

But he knows that n one uses bulletin board material better than Belichick, and that was his message. He was undermined before he even began. If the Steelers don't win and Brown has an off game, he's going to look like a fool.

Brady was just quoted by ESPN (my phone just told me so it has to be true, right?!) saying "don't think that would go over well with our coach" in regards to Brown posting a video of Tomlin last night.

Brown just put the Steelers at even more of a disadvantage. He literally did exactly what the other guys were saying not to do - he posted something to piss off the Pats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 09:05:41 AM
  "don't think that would go over well with our coach" 

To put it mildly. The happiest guy is now is Belichick because he has that, AND the fact that the Pats played like shit last week.



And I'm not trying to push a Pats angle here. Just posting how I think Belichick will view all this.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 09:22:03 AM
  "don't think that would go over well with our coach" 

To put it mildly. The happiest guy is now is Belichick because he has that, AND the fact that the Pats played like shit last week.



And I'm not trying to push a Pats angle here. Just posting how I think Belichick will view all this.

Yeah, I guess the problem is, what would you want the Steelers to do to Brown for posting the video? They aren't going to bench arguably the best WR in football during the AFC Championship game...So what do they do? Fine him?

WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 16, 2017, 09:25:01 AM
What a bone headed move by Brown, I'm quite sure it's pretty much a universal rule that the locker room talk stays in the locker room. Every team abides by it, I don't think I've ever seen something like this happen. Players have grumbled about things being said in the locker room and it gets picked up by reporters but a live stream video on facebook? That's some extra level stupid.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 09:29:54 AM
WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?

I believe Belichick would hold him out of the first offensive series this week. That's about all the public would see. Behind closed doors it would be "dealt with".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 16, 2017, 09:31:35 AM
Tomlin was excellent, and I don't think he gets half of the credit he deserves.

But he knows that n one uses bulletin board material better than Belichick, and that was his message. He was undermined before he even began. If the Steelers don't win and Brown has an off game, he's going to look like a fool.

Brady was just quoted by ESPN (my phone just told me so it has to be true, right?!) saying "don't think that would go over well with our coach" in regards to Brown posting a video of Tomlin last night.

Brown just put the Steelers at even more of a disadvantage. He literally did exactly what the other guys were saying not to do - he posted something to piss off the Pats.

Yes he did say that.  He was asked about that on WEEI this morning on the Kirk & Callahan show.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 10:00:19 AM
I believe Belichick would hold him out of the first offensive series this week. That's about all the public would see. Behind closed doors it would be "dealt with".

I would, as a Steeler fan, be totally cool with Tomlin doing this. I don't think he will though.  :lol

Yes he did say that.  He was asked about that on WEEI this morning on the Kirk & Callahan show.

Yup, like I said, Brown just provided the Pats with even more fire, stupid move.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 16, 2017, 11:18:29 AM
I believe Belichick would hold him out of the first offensive series this week. That's about all the public would see. Behind closed doors it would be "dealt with".

I would, as a Steeler fan, be totally cool with Tomlin doing this. I don't think he will though.  :lol

Yes he did say that.  He was asked about that on WEEI this morning on the Kirk & Callahan show.


Yup, like I said, Brown just provided the Pats with even more fire, stupid move.

It will be interesting to see how Tomlin addresses the topic at his Tue. presser. ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: El Barto on January 16, 2017, 11:39:02 AM

WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?
I think the point is that he never really has to. He tends not to sign knuckleheads and he's willing to unload damn near anyone if the need comes. Everybody on the team knows what the rules are about talking to the media, and after what happened to Jamie Collins, I doubt very many are willing to test Bill's disciplinary resolve.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 11:41:27 AM

WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?
I think the point is that he never really has to.

Well, that was my first thought, but I didn't want to come off as a homer.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 11:53:48 AM
It will be interesting to see how Tomlin addresses the topic at his Tue. presser. ;)

 :lol Yeah he'll totally automatically slip into some cliche Tomlin saying...and then not say anything real at all. So pretty what he does at every Tuesday presser.


WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?
I think the point is that he never really has to.

Well, that was my first thought, but I didn't want to come off as a homer.

That doesn't come off as homerish to me because I think it's spot on. That was kinda my point. Every guy in that NE locker room knows they CAN NOT do that sort of thing. Clearly, Brown feels totally comfortable doing it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 16, 2017, 12:43:04 PM
Is it me, or does Travis Kelce seem like a tool?
Great player, but yes, he is. He's always doing stupid things like jerk-off motions when his team is penalized, and generally seems to act like a frat bro. He comes off like a more mean-spirited version of Gronkowski to me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 16, 2017, 01:29:35 PM
After seeing the Pitt/KC game last night, both of those teams are not capable of going into Foxborough and winning.  Looks like I'm hoping that ATL runs the table because I don't want GB or NE winning the SB.  It would be cool to see the Falcons get it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 16, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
It will be interesting to see how Tomlin addresses the topic at his Tue. presser. ;)

 :lol Yeah he'll totally automatically slip into some cliche Tomlin saying...and then not say anything real at all. So pretty what he does at every Tuesday presser.


WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?
I think the point is that he never really has to.

Well, that was my first thought, but I didn't want to come off as a homer.

That doesn't come off as homerish to me because I think it's spot on. That was kinda my point. Every guy in that NE locker room knows they CAN NOT do that sort of thing. Clearly, Brown feels totally comfortable doing it.

Brown is a self-absorbed narcissus. It's always about him. Nice job undermining your team's effort. He's the a-hole, not Patriots. All teams and players use this language, but it's not meant for public consumption. I started disliking him last year when he was whining about his stats while the team was attempting to win games with Vick. Major douche.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 16, 2017, 02:10:37 PM
After seeing the Pitt/KC game last night, both of those teams are not capable of going into Foxborough and winning.  Looks like I'm hoping that ATL runs the table because I don't want GB or NE winning the SB.  It would be cool to see the Falcons get it.

You can't base your predictions on one measly game. You could have said the same about how the Patriots played Saturday, no way that flies against a good team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
Brown is a self-absorbed narcissus. It's always about him. Nice job undermining your team's effort. He's the a-hole, not Patriots. All teams and players use this language, but it's not meant for public consumption. I started disliking him last year when he was whining about his stats while the team was attempting to win games with Vick. Major douche.

You won't get any argument from me on any of that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 16, 2017, 02:29:00 PM
I called the Dallas game, and during halftime I switched my Pitt pick to KC. DAMMIT. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 16, 2017, 02:29:37 PM
Is Ben really healthy?  I saw some of the game but had to go to bed to get up early for work.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 16, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
Is Ben really healthy?  I saw some of the game but had to go to bed to get up early for work.

He's healthy enough, no excuses. Brown had one TD pass knocked out of his hands in the end zone, and the pick was a ball tipped straight up in the air. Does appear he and some of the younger receivers aren't 100% on the same page yet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 16, 2017, 03:00:31 PM
After seeing the Pitt/KC game last night, both of those teams are not capable of going into Foxborough and winning.  Looks like I'm hoping that ATL runs the table because I don't want GB or NE winning the SB.  It would be cool to see the Falcons get it.

You can't base your predictions on one measly game. You could have said the same about how the Patriots played Saturday, no way that flies against a good team.

I'm making that prediction based on the Pats history of being.....well......the Pats.:lol  6 field goals won't fly in Foxborough either.  Let's face it.  The Pats are going to the SB again... :\
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 16, 2017, 03:18:36 PM
Is Ben really healthy?  I saw some of the game but had to go to bed to get up early for work.

He's healthy enough, no excuses. Brown had one TD pass knocked out of his hands in the end zone, and the pick was a ball tipped straight up in the air. Does appear he and some of the younger receivers aren't 100% on the same page yet.

I was thinking for mobility.   I feel the same about Brady and Floyd.   Not on the same page yet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 16, 2017, 03:58:31 PM
Is Ben really healthy?  I saw some of the game but had to go to bed to get up early for work.

He's healthy enough, no excuses. Brown had one TD pass knocked out of his hands in the end zone, and the pick was a ball tipped straight up in the air. Does appear he and some of the younger receivers aren't 100% on the same page yet.

I was thinking for mobility.   I feel the same about Brady and Floyd.   Not on the same page yet.

Oh, gotcha. Mobility seems acceptable to me.

I hope it's a great game next week. Steelers have no excuses this year. No Gronk. It's do or die. Don't care who wins NFC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: PowerSlave on January 16, 2017, 05:50:52 PM

WWBBD (What Would Bill Belichick do)?
I think the point is that he never really has to. He tends not to sign knuckleheads and he's willing to unload damn near anyone if the need comes. Everybody on the team knows what the rules are about talking to the media, and after what happened to Jamie Collins, I doubt very many are willing to test Bill's disciplinary resolve.

I'd argue that he's actually willing to sign knuckleheads (I have nothing good to say about his running back as an example), but the rest of your statement nails the point home. That's part of my problem with Tomlin. He tends not to punish players when it's called for. The lack of some kind of discipline sometimes hurts an otherwise extremely talented team. I don't think a coach needs to be a hard-ass all the time, but certain boundaries need to be put in place. Putting those boundaries in place during a playoff game while on the field (see Ross Cockrell's behaviour towards one of the refs last night) is too late and highly ineffective.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 16, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
Anybody the video of Belichick talking about the Eagles parade before the SB in, well 2005?


You know how minimal it is, coaches use it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 07:18:49 AM
Is Ben really healthy?  I saw some of the game but had to go to bed to get up early for work.

He's healthy enough, no excuses. Brown had one TD pass knocked out of his hands in the end zone, and the pick was a ball tipped straight up in the air. Does appear he and some of the younger receivers aren't 100% on the same page yet.

I was thinking for mobility.   I feel the same about Brady and Floyd.   Not on the same page yet.

Oh, gotcha. Mobility seems acceptable to me.

I hope it's a great game next week. Steelers have no excuses this year. No Gronk. It's do or die. Don't care who wins NFC.

Not making excuses, but I think it's highly unlikely that Ben's mobility is 100%. After the Miami game he was in a boot and needed to get a MRI. The MRI found nothing major (according to Ben himself) but the fact that it was needed was worrisome. Fast forward a couple days and he did not look himself (in terms of mobility) during the KC game.

Don't get me wrong, not looking to make excuses if they lose to the Pats, which honestly I think they will, but IMO, he's not 100%.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 17, 2017, 07:25:14 AM
That's what I figured.  When 100% he is so dangerous out of the pocket.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 07:32:24 AM
That's what I figured.  When 100% he is so dangerous out of the pocket.

Right, and he looked terribly uncomfortable trying to do exactly that vs KC. If he had to move out of the pocket at all, it looked like a huge struggle for him. The big third down at the end of the game that they had to convert to be able to run the clock out, Ben rolls out and hits AB with that beautiful pass, that's a play I've seen Ben make a million times, and it looked like it was very difficult for him to execute Sunday.

Something is off. Hopefully he is closer to or 100% vs the Pats. If he performs well, I think it could be a really good game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 17, 2017, 07:33:30 AM
Anybody the video of Belichick talking about the Eagles parade before the SB in, well 2005?


You know how minimal it is, coaches use it.

Yeah, I've seen that several times.  Seems kinda petty for a coach like Belichick.  He's usually more about concentrating on doing your own job and not being concerned about what others are doing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 17, 2017, 07:59:17 AM
Nah, he know that motivates players.  They all do it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2017, 08:12:00 AM
For the great coaches, it's not personal.  You use whatever you can to get whatever edge you can.   Belichick is a master at it, and Tomlin is good, but somewhat one-dimensional at it.  Tomlin likes the tough guy, smash mouth, us-against-the-world attitude, but it doesn't always work.  Belichick's doesn't always work either, but his teams are versatile enough (as shown last weekend) to win smash-mouth games, shoot out games, special teams games... 

Personally, I think that Antonio Brown is a dumbass.  Why you would do ANYTHING to potentially give away whatever edge you have is beyond me.  I feel the same way about Odell Beckham, Jr. and Boatgate.  Did it matter?  Who knows?   But WHY PLANT THE SEED.  Keep your head down, play football and be done with it.  If you have to slip away for a little R&R with your boys, fine, but leave the cell phones on the shore for fuck's sake.  Ever notice that you NEVER, EVER see bootleg photos of Jack Nicholson with his pants around his ankles and two girls fighting for his knob while six others dance the hoochie coo around the room?  BECAUSE HE'S A PRO. He knows how to do this without giving anything away.  (I'm only half kidding here). 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 17, 2017, 08:18:29 AM
That's what I figured.  When 100% he is so dangerous out of the pocket.

Right, and he looked terribly uncomfortable trying to do exactly that vs KC. If he had to move out of the pocket at all, it looked like a huge struggle for him. The big third down at the end of the game that they had to convert to be able to run the clock out, Ben rolls out and hits AB with that beautiful pass, that's a play I've seen Ben make a million times, and it looked like it was very difficult for him to execute Sunday.

Something is off. Hopefully he is closer to or 100% vs the Pats. If he performs well, I think it could be a really good game.

It's soooooo true that the last couple of years when he is injured, he does not play well at all, either in the pocket or on the run. Years ago that was the opposite. He still has a problem with that ankle/foot, and as you said, I hope it is near 100% come Sunday.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
It's soooooo true that the last couple of years when he is injured, he does not play well at all, either in the pocket or on the run. Years ago that was the opposite. He still has a problem with that ankle/foot, and as you said, I hope it is near 100% come Sunday.

Yup, I think it's matter of (1) as he gets older he isn't able to play through injuries as well and (2) the amount of injuries he has sustained over his career are starting to pile up on top of him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2017, 09:20:51 AM
I'm going to wager that the Steelers are going to come out on top of this game making this my only wrong pick in the playoffs so far.

Yeah, I picked KC, and that was my only wrong pick thus far.  Oh well.  I've also been in the kind of fun position where who I thought would win each game this round was also who I wanted to win (other than maybe NE; I guess I slightly favored them, but I was mostly indifferent).

Next round:

GB over Atlanta
NE over Pitt

More than the results of either game, what I would love to see this weekend more than anything is Tomlin benching Brown for the entire game.  I know it won't happen, but I would love it if it did.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 09:31:31 AM
More than the results of either game, what I would love to see this weekend more than anything is Tomlin benching Brown for the entire game.  I know it won't happen, but I would love it if it did.

The entire game? I'd bet he won't bench him for a single play  :lol

Local sports talk radio around Pittsburgh has been saying the team should tell Brown to delete his social media accounts until the season is over. Even that, Brown would laugh at and not adhere to at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2017, 09:46:26 AM
More than the results of either game, what I would love to see this weekend more than anything is Tomlin benching Brown for the entire game.  I know it won't happen, but I would love it if it did.

The entire game? I'd bet he won't bench him for a single play  :lol

Local sports talk radio around Pittsburgh has been saying the team should tell Brown to delete his social media accounts until the season is over. Even that, Brown would laugh at and not adhere to at all.

Exactly.  Bench him and then shop him to some backwater team like Jacksonville in the offseason.  It may end their season this year, but would pay off huge in "respect points."  Again, I know it won't happen.  But it should.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Exactly.  Bench him and then shop him to some backwater team like Jacksonville in the offseason.  It may end their season this year, but would pay off huge in "respect points."  Again, I know it won't happen.  But it should.

Oh I agree, believe me I do. For so long the Steelers thought of themselves and communicated to their fanbase that they had a level of class and morality above other franchises in the NFL. A lot of old-time Steeler fans in the Pittsburgh area still think they do, the truth is they don't hold themselves to a higher standard.

I don't know if I would trade Brown, but I would have nipped this sort of thing long ago. He felt comfortable doing what he did because he has never really had to answer for anything within the context of that team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 17, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
They won't do anything significant with Brown. He's arguably the best receiver in the league, and the Steelers haven't run a tight ship when it comes to discipline for many years now. Hell, I bet Joey Porter would've been coaching on the sideline the week after his arrest even if none of the charges had been dropped.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 10:11:46 AM
They won't do anything significant with Brown. He's arguably the best receiver in the league, and the Steelers haven't run a tight ship when it comes to discipline for many years now. Hell, I bet Joey Porter would've been coaching on the sideline the week after his arrest even if none of the charges had been dropped.

Hah, I'd bet you this is how the Joey thing went down.

Rooney calls the Pittsburgh DA (cause you know he has this pull in the city) and says:

Rooney: "hey I get it, it's on film...but drop the felonies and you can keep the misdemeanors" "I can still have him coach the boys if it's only misdemeanors"

DA: "yes sir Mr. Rooney"
 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 17, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
Oh, there's no doubt something like that went down.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2017, 11:17:09 AM
I really do hope the Packers can keep rolling and win the SB.  I really don't want Pitt or NE to win it and I don't think the Falcons have a shot at beating NE (maybe Pitt, but I don't see Pitt beating NE).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2017, 11:25:54 AM
I would almost always want to see GB win it over almost any other team.  I definitely have my order of preference, but I wouldn't terribly mind seeing any of the remaining 4 win it.  My preference:

1.  Packers:  Have been a fan since I was a kid.  And notwithstanding some things about Rodgers bugging me, I like him as a player (same for a number of their players).
2.  Falcons:  Why not?  Ryan is talented and has been patient through the ups and downs.  For that reason alone, I wouldn't mind seeing him rewarded.  Jones has been such a great player for so long too.  Great for them if they make it.
3.  Pats:  I hated them for so long, but have come to admire them as an organization, and I respect the admiration Brady and the coaching staff have for the historic 49ers dynasty, so I don't mind them at all continuing to build on their own.
4.  Steelers:  I'm kind of indifferent toward them, but have a good friend who is a pretty hardcore fan.  Wouldn't mind seeing them win it all.  If they were to unexpectedly bench Brown, I would absolutely root for them in the Super Bowl on principle alone if they were to somehow win on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 17, 2017, 11:35:46 AM
As always my only wish for the superbowl is that it's a good competitive game. I don't mind any team winning it either, and my preference of winners goes

1. Falcons (being the only non-superbowl winner left)
2. Packers
3. Patriots
4. Steelers
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 17, 2017, 11:56:40 AM
More than the results of either game, what I would love to see this weekend more than anything is Tomlin benching Brown for the entire game.  I know it won't happen, but I would love it if it did.

The entire game? I'd bet he won't bench him for a single play  :lol

Local sports talk radio around Pittsburgh has been saying the team should tell Brown to delete his social media accounts until the season is over. Even that, Brown would laugh at and not adhere to at all.

Exactly.  Bench him and then shop him to some backwater team like Jacksonville in the offseason.  It may end their season this year, but would pay off huge in "respect points."  Again, I know it won't happen.  But it should.

No, no, no...That's crazy to trade him for that. If it's a substance abuse, or some other serious issue, then you still think hard about it, but then yes trade him, but this? I wouldn't.

I just watched Tomlin and he said that Brown will be punished,but Steelers won't be. Funny.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 17, 2017, 12:05:13 PM
I just read that Goodell is going back to Atlanta for the second week in a row.


As expected.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 12:14:30 PM
I just watched Tomlin and he said that Brown will be punished,but Steelers won't be. Funny.

Yup  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: T-ski on January 17, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
The following starters were inactive for GB when they lost to Atlanta 33-32 earlier this season...

WR Randall Cobb
RB/WR Ty Montgomery
TE Jared Cook
LB Clay Matthews
DB Darius Randall

Just for information purposes of course.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 17, 2017, 01:55:58 PM
So now that we have our final 12 4 .....here is my order of want.

1. Detroit
2. Atlanta
3. Kansas City
4. Oakland
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Miami
8. Houston

9. Green Bay
10. New York
11. New England
12. Pittsburgh

I am 6-2 in picks so far this postseason. The only two games that I got wrong were both bets against Green Bay. Won't be making that mistake again.

NFC Championship - Green Bay @ Atlanta
AFC Championship - Pittsburgh @ New England

A rematch 20 years in the making.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 17, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
I am picking Green Bay and Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 02:06:27 PM
I think GB will beat ATL. Not sure who to pick in the other game yet. My heart says Steelers my head says Pats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2017, 03:04:25 PM
Pats win! Pats win! 

That game isn't in any dispute for me; head and heart are in lock step there.

The Green Bay/Atlanta game is something else.   Atlanta is really fun to watch, I'm a big fan of Ryan, I'm a big fan of Arthur Blank (had lunch with him once; incredibly nice man), and I used to live in the ATL, so I'm rooting for them.  But damn, is Aaron Rodgers fun to watch, and should never be counted out.  I love that underdog attitude, the never quit attitude, the "I'm so calm, I'm almost asleep" attitude, the "we're going to run the table" then actually DOING it, against great teams... the only thing I'm not 1000% sold on is McCarthy.  He's a winning coach, he's a good coach, but he makes some bad mistakes some times.   I have yet to decide which team I will pick in my pool. 

For me, I'm telling the fam "between 3:00 and 6:00 on Sunday, everything stops in the house."

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 17, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
Just chiming in on Tomlin's style of coaching (emotion, motivation, intensity) vs BB (attention to detail, execution, etc). The problem with intensity is that you can't maintain it at such a high level forever. I'd prefer my coach be a combo of both styles.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: PowerSlave on January 17, 2017, 03:57:19 PM
I've been busy with work the last couple of days, so I didn't have the opportunity to really check out the video until now. Everyone is coming down on AB as he rightly deserves. What nobody seems to be talking about is all of the other players that were aware of the video being broadcast live as well. A couple of them that were trash talking who haven't contributed a fucking thing of note to the team in months (Sammie Coates). Obviously, they could have been doing much more offensive things than they were, but it speaks to a culture that lacks a certain sense of professionalism.

I'm a life-long Steelers fan, and I'll be rooting for my team next week when they visit Foxboro, but this stuff needs to get cleaned up because it will come back to bite them in the ass. It starts with their coach and needs to "trickle down" from there.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 17, 2017, 05:07:52 PM
Cowherd was just on the TV today saying that in his last 2 playoff games, Brady has completed 47% of passes with 3 TDs and 4 picks. Why does everyone seem to think Pit has NO chance? Like it's inconceivable that Bell and/or Brown could have big games or something? Like literally INCONCEIVABLE?

Anyway, I've found I can't make myself dislike Brady anymore. Not saying I like everything he does, but I love the way he competes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2017, 05:12:33 PM
Anyway, I've found I can't make myself dislike Brady anymore. Not saying I like everything he does, but I love the way he competes.


Again, my intent it to not come off as a homer, but every NFL fan should see the Belichick/Brady program up close week in and week out. And I'm not just talking game days.


Why does everyone seem to think Pit has NO chance? Like it's inconceivable that Bell and/or Brown could have big games or something? Like literally INCONCEIVABLE?

The Steelers absolutely have a chance. They are the one team in the AFC that can come in here and win. No question.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 17, 2017, 05:20:32 PM
Cowherd was just on the TV today saying that in his last 2 playoff games, Brady has completed 47% of passes with 3 TDs and 4 picks.

In his last eight road games, Roethlisberger has 6 TDs and 8 INTs.

Yes, it's true that Brady's playoff greatness is overstated and exaggerated, but those two games were against the number 1 defenses (Denver last year, Houston this year.).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2017, 05:23:21 PM
We are well aware that Brady's QB rating in the playoffs is far less than his regular season average. Plus this year, they didn't play anybody. Other than a home loss to Seattle.
Saturday's game will be their toughest game of the year by far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 17, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
I always think Pitts offense can match ours but I think our D is better which I don't think I've ever thought I'd say over 2 decades of this match up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2017, 05:33:01 PM
I always think Pitts offense can match ours but I think our D is better which I don't think I've ever thought I'd say over 2 decades of this match up.

It's hard to know how good their D really is. They've played some suck ass QB's this year. If there's one guy that can torch them, it's Big Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Accelerando on January 17, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
I think the Antonio Brown live streaming in the locker room post-game is going to be a distraction. Everyone is going to talk about it, and the media are going to ask players about it. Sucks that has to happen before a potential great game
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 17, 2017, 05:43:19 PM
I always think Pitts offense can match ours but I think our D is better which I don't think I've ever thought I'd say over 2 decades of this match up.

It's hard to know how good their D really is. They've played some suck ass QB's this year. If there's one guy that can torch them, it's Big Ben.

Both teams have played suck QB's but I do agree there is doubt.  Though there was a distinct change when they traded Collins to the better.   I never thought I'd say that!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 17, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
I always think Pitts offense can match ours but I think our D is better which I don't think I've ever thought I'd say over 2 decades of this match up.

It's hard to know how good their D really is. They've played some suck ass QB's this year. If there's one guy that can torch them, it's Big Ben.

Eh, I don't see that.  Wilson already torched them a few months back.  Ryan or Rodgers could have a field day against them in the Super Bowl.  Given how poorly Ben plays on the road, I think he is just as likely to throw 2-3 picks as he is to torch them, if not moreso.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 17, 2017, 05:51:08 PM
I'm not saying elite guys. I just think our D is better than Pitts D. 

Oh and Rodgers can slice up any D.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
It's hard to know how good their D really is. They've played some suck ass QB's this year. If there's one guy that can torch them, it's Big Ben.

Eh, I don't see that.  Wilson already torched them a few months back.  Ryan or Rodgers could have a field day against them in the Super Bowl.  Given how poorly Ben plays on the road, I think he is just as likely to throw 2-3 picks as he is to torch them, if not moreso.

Who have they played other than Wilson, as I mentioned Seattle in this post:

Plus this year, they didn't play anybody. Other than a home loss to Seattle.
 


I also agree with this:
Ryan or Rodgers could have a field day against them in the Super Bowl.   

No question about it.

Not sure what you are disagreeing with me on?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 07:00:10 AM
Eh, I don't see that.  Wilson already torched them a few months back.  Ryan or Rodgers could have a field day against them in the Super Bowl.  Given how poorly Ben plays on the road, I think he is just as likely to throw 2-3 picks as he is to torch them, if not moreso.

I agree that it could go either way with Ben. I think for the Steelers to win Ben needs to play excellent, not great, not really good, excellent.

Bell has essentially carried this offense through their first two playoff games. You can't be a one-trick pony against BB, he will game plan for it, Ben needs to be able to complement Bell by having a monster day. If he doesn't and Haley feels like he needs to go one demensional and run, run, run, run... it won't work nearly as well against the Pats as it did against Miami and KC.

In terms of whose D is better, I honestly have no clue. I think the Pats are probably much better as a team defense, but from week to week the Steelers have had such mixed performances, it'll depend on who shows up Sunday, they are trending upward at the right time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2017, 07:31:54 AM
Cowherd was just on the TV today saying that in his last 2 playoff games, Brady has completed 47% of passes with 3 TDs and 4 picks. Why does everyone seem to think Pit has NO chance? Like it's inconceivable that Bell and/or Brown could have big games or something? Like literally INCONCEIVABLE?

Anyway, I've found I can't make myself dislike Brady anymore. Not saying I like everything he does, but I love the way he competes.

You answered your own question.  The competition gets stiffer - let's not kid around here:  any of the four remaining teams are worthy Super Bowl Champions, and there's even one or two teams home now that would also be worthy champeens - and so maybe some of the "ease" goes away. He's GOING to be picked.  He's GOING to make mistakes (he's human, after all).   But he's also the guy that isn't sweating, and that will complete that 18 yarder to Edelman on third and 15, or after the ridiculous sack, hit Logan down the middle for 40 and a FIRST DOWN!

I'm all about the outcome, not the numbers.  I think if Brady was the star of the "Ask [Forum Member]" thread elsewhere on this forum, and you asked "0 TDs, 5 picks, 125 yards passing and a win, or 5TDs, 0 picks, 425 yards and a close loss as time runs out", he wouldn't even blink.   Well, no quarterback would blink.  Every QB in the league would say the right thing and take the win.  But here's the difference:  if on TUESDAY, Belichick and McDaniels come to Brady and says "look, the only way we're going to win this is let them get to you, dump the ball off and let Lewis and Edelman run.  You're going to get creamed.  Sacked 5, maybe 6 times.  You're not going to complete more than half your passes, you'll probably get picked at least 3 times, and I can't see any TDs from you, it'll be Blount from in close.    BUT WE'LL WIN."    Brady would be the first to say "Sign me up coach, I'm in.".    And he'd do it like a champ.   I don't see Camshaft doing that.  I don't see half the QBs - maybe more - in the league being able to do that.   When you add to that the fact that B and M could come to him and say "the only way we win is 500 yards, 6 TDs, and no picks", and he can do that TOO, and you have one of the greats of all time. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: AngelBack on January 18, 2017, 07:45:10 AM
Vegas has my Falcons 4 1/2 point favorites.  Like to know what they see or if they are chumming the waters for bets.  I see it even at best with the last team with the ball possibly the winner.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2017, 07:45:18 AM
One, if the Pack doesn't win the whole thing, it's not going to be because Rodgers didn't carve up the opposing D.  It's going to be the PACKERS D, and/or special teams.  Aaron is on fire, and he is really solid and unflappable at this point. His confidence has to be THROUGH THE ROOF.   

As for the Pats, I think we're forgetting a couple things:  one, it's a 60 minute game, in three phases.   The Pats can (not saying WILL, just CAN) beat you in any of the three phases.  That's their beauty.      Two, Belichick has a knack for removing a teams best player; that's not always good (they have been beaten in the past by the second or even third guy) but I have a feeling Le'Veon Bell is going to get 110 yards, 109 of them meaningless.  I think Ben is going to be on the move all game long, regardless, and if he's not 100%, it's going to be the difference.   

The one thing that can hurt the Pats is if they put the ball on the ground.  Not INTs, but fumbles, especially on special teams. That has hurt them in the past. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 07:54:51 AM
As for the Pats, I think we're forgetting a couple things:  one, it's a 60 minute game, in three phases.   The Pats can (not saying WILL, just CAN) beat you in any of the three phases.  That's their beauty.      Two, Belichick has a knack for removing a teams best player; that's not always good (they have been beaten in the past by the second or even third guy) but I have a feeling Le'Veon Bell is going to get 110 yards, 109 of them meaningless.  I think Ben is going to be on the move all game long, regardless, and if he's not 100%, it's going to be the difference. 

I totally agree with this, thats why I mentioned in my last post that I think Ben will need to be excellent to win this game. Bell alone will not be able to beat the Pats like he basically did against Miami and KC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 18, 2017, 08:12:08 AM
As for the Pats, I think we're forgetting a couple things:  one, it's a 60 minute game, in three phases.   The Pats can (not saying WILL, just CAN) beat you in any of the three phases.  That's their beauty.      Two, Belichick has a knack for removing a teams best player; that's not always good (they have been beaten in the past by the second or even third guy) but I have a feeling Le'Veon Bell is going to get 110 yards, 109 of them meaningless.  I think Ben is going to be on the move all game long, regardless, and if he's not 100%, it's going to be the difference. 

I totally agree with this, thats why I mentioned in my last post that I think Ben will need to be excellent to win this game. Bell alone will not be able to beat the Pats like he basically did against Miami and KC.

I think I'm gonna go with Ben just has to be "really good". I think if Bell is at his usual standards, it SHOULD open up the passing game and dictate a well mixed game plan. That being said, I also think it depends on game situation and how the D will play against Brady and co. Like any game, if your down 2 or 3 TD's, then your passing more. So, if Ben just doesn't throw dumb INT's and receivers are not dropping balls, they could win this game with Ben not being perfect. Ahhhh, who knows. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 08:27:26 AM
I think I'm gonna go with Ben just has to be "really good". I think if Bell is at his usual standards, it SHOULD open up the passing game and dictate a well mixed game plan. That being said, I also think it depends on game situation and how the D will play against Brady and co. Like any game, if your down 2 or 3 TD's, then your passing more. So, if Ben just doesn't throw dumb INT's and receivers are not dropping balls, they could win this game with Ben not being perfect. Ahhhh, who knows. :facepalm:

I just think they are going to need to pass more than they have in the last two games because Bell isn't going to be able to tear up the Pats as much as he has Miami and KC. Maybe he will, I'd love to be proven wrong. I just think BB has been watching tape on the Steelers offense and his take away probably is, "man if we can limit Bell, I'd rather take my chance with the passing game and make Ben try to beat us". That's not a knock on Ben, Bell has just been on one of the most insane offensive streaks I have ever seen in my life.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 18, 2017, 09:46:25 AM
1.  Packers:  Have been a fan since I was a kid.  And notwithstanding some things about Rodgers bugging me, I like him as a player (same for a number of their players).

Wait a minute.  I thought your were a Niners fan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2017, 10:01:38 AM
We're all assuming of course that Patricia doesn't scheme to get Ben hobbling early.  I don't mean anything dirty, or untoward, but if I'm the Pats, the first series or two, I'm doing every thing I can to get pads on Ben on EVERY play.  He's glass, the Steelers are not the same team with Landry Jones, and Belichick knows it. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
1.  Packers:  Have been a fan since I was a kid.  And notwithstanding some things about Rodgers bugging me, I like him as a player (same for a number of their players).

Wait a minute.  I thought your were a Niners fan.

Yes.  I can't be a fan of more than one team?  Growing up, the Niners were always my #1.  But I was also a fan of GB, Denver, and, to a lesser extent, the Marino/Shula Dolphins.  My fandom of GB and Denver has persisted regardless of players.  My fandom of Miami was more player/coach-centric than team-centric, I suppose.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 18, 2017, 10:47:25 AM
We're all assuming of course that Patricia doesn't scheme to get Ben hobbling early.  I don't mean anything dirty, or untoward, but if I'm the Pats, the first series or two, I'm doing every thing I can to get pads on Ben on EVERY play.  He's glass, the Steelers are not the same team with Landry Jones, and Belichick knows it.

He's glass?? That's funny! Brady breaks a fingernail and he's diving and crying to refs, sure enough, the next year there's a new rule stating that you can't touch a qb's fingernails.....He's glass....oh my. Yes though, if LJ has to play....goodnight Steelers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 18, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
Ben's not glass at all.  He's just injury prone from his scrambling.


Brady only missed one season with the knee injury and besides that year never missed a game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2017, 11:03:20 AM
We're all assuming of course that Patricia doesn't scheme to get Ben hobbling early.  I don't mean anything dirty, or untoward, but if I'm the Pats, the first series or two, I'm doing every thing I can to get pads on Ben on EVERY play.  He's glass, the Steelers are not the same team with Landry Jones, and Belichick knows it.

He's glass?? That's funny! Brady breaks a fingernail and he's diving and crying to refs, sure enough, the next year there's a new rule stating that you can't touch a qb's fingernails.....He's glass....oh my. Yes though, if LJ has to play....goodnight Steelers.
AND
Ben's not glass at all.  He's just injury prone from his scrambling.

For me, "glass" = "injury prone" from whatever reason.   He's always hurt. Whether that's because of hard-nosed play or just being fragile, we can debate that.  I'm actually a fan of Ben, I think he's a far better QB than Cam Newton or any of a number of guys that have amazing talent but haven't the first clue about how to win consistently and when you're not supposed to (like Brady). 

That one thinks that one QB or another is coddled by the league is not a part of this discussion. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2017, 11:05:53 AM
It's strange that both Gronk and Ben are so injury prone, being so huge.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2017, 11:07:34 AM
Speaking of QB's, there was an article on ESPN debating whether we have the best Championship Weekend Final 4 QB's of all time this year.  Interesting thought.  I'm hard pressed to find many years that come close.  1992 and 1993 may be close.  But outside of those years, I think this may just be the best final 4 QB's ever. 

Link here if anyone wanted to read it:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18496185/is-best-qb-final-four-nfl-history-2016-nfl-playoffs-conference-championships
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 11:15:29 AM
Yeah Ben isn't glass, he's one of the biggest, strongest, toughest QBs in the league easily. He has been injured a fair amount in his career due to mainly two reasons: (1) his aggressive tendency to extend plays by scrambling (which results in him getting hit A LOT) and (2) for a large portion of his career he had a below average (using a kind term) O-line.

As a Steeler guy and a Ben guy, I can openly admit that Ben has his faults and shortcomings, being fragile like glass isn't one of them. Heck, historically when he does get hurt, he heals quick and comes back before he is expected to partly because he is simply a tough dude.

*Waits for Kev to read this and make the point Ben usually has bad games when he comes back from injury cause he comes back to soon...*
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2017, 11:21:23 AM
Yeah Ben isn't glass, he's one of the biggest, strongest, toughest QBs in the league easily. He has been injured a fair amount in his career due to mainly two reasons: (1) his aggressive tendency to extend plays by scrambling (which results in him getting hit A LOT) and (2) for a large portion of his career he had a below average (using a kind term) O-line.

As a Steeler guy and a Ben guy, I can openly admit that Ben has his faults and shortcomings, being fragile like glass isn't one of them. Heck, historically when he does get hurt, he heals quick and comes back before he is expected to partly because he is simply a tough dude.

*Waits for Kev to read this and make the point Ben usually has bad games when he comes back from injury cause he comes back to soon...*

I dont even like Ben, but I would agree that he is not fragile at all.  Guy takes a beating every week.   Of course he will get injured sometimes.  But he plays through lots of injuries too.  He's a tough SOB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2017, 11:23:27 AM
I think he's one of the toughest players in the league. He is always dangerous.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 18, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
We're all assuming of course that Patricia doesn't scheme to get Ben hobbling early.  I don't mean anything dirty, or untoward, but if I'm the Pats, the first series or two, I'm doing every thing I can to get pads on Ben on EVERY play.  He's glass, the Steelers are not the same team with Landry Jones, and Belichick knows it.

He's glass?? That's funny! Brady breaks a fingernail and he's diving and crying to refs, sure enough, the next year there's a new rule stating that you can't touch a qb's fingernails.....He's glass....oh my. Yes though, if LJ has to play....goodnight Steelers.
AND
Ben's not glass at all.  He's just injury prone from his scrambling.

For me, "glass" = "injury prone" from whatever reason.   He's always hurt. Whether that's because of hard-nosed play or just being fragile, we can debate that.  I'm actually a fan of Ben, I think he's a far better QB than Cam Newton or any of a number of guys that have amazing talent but haven't the first clue about how to win consistently and when you're not supposed to (like Brady). 

That one thinks that one QB or another is coddled by the league is not a part of this discussion.

Ok, maybe I can see your point of view that injury prone and glass could be considered similar. I think Ben's injury types would've injured any QB or any player given the same situations.

Of course I won't further my views on QB coddling as I do want to be "a part of this discussion". ;) ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 18, 2017, 12:17:39 PM
Not sure if anyone else saw it, but apparently Aaron Rodgers literally made up the play with the long completion to set up the game-winning FG, playground style.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 18, 2017, 12:46:20 PM
Not sure if anyone else saw it, but apparently Aaron Rodgers literally made up the play with the long completion to set up the game-winning FG, playground style.
There's a very short clip you could see on TV right before the play in the huddle where he was making those gestures.

My pick is that it's going to be a Steelers v Falcons superbowl. It actually is really too close to call it, this is what I'm feeling right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 18, 2017, 01:08:11 PM
Not sure if anyone else saw it, but apparently Aaron Rodgers literally made up the play with the long completion to set up the game-winning FG, playground style.

I think he might have even mentioned it in post game. He's crazy good!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
We're all assuming of course that Patricia doesn't scheme to get Ben hobbling early.  I don't mean anything dirty, or untoward, but if I'm the Pats, the first series or two, I'm doing every thing I can to get pads on Ben on EVERY play.  He's glass, the Steelers are not the same team with Landry Jones, and Belichick knows it.

He's glass?? That's funny! Brady breaks a fingernail and he's diving and crying to refs, sure enough, the next year there's a new rule stating that you can't touch a qb's fingernails.....He's glass....oh my. Yes though, if LJ has to play....goodnight Steelers.
AND
Ben's not glass at all.  He's just injury prone from his scrambling.

For me, "glass" = "injury prone" from whatever reason.   He's always hurt. Whether that's because of hard-nosed play or just being fragile, we can debate that.  I'm actually a fan of Ben, I think he's a far better QB than Cam Newton or any of a number of guys that have amazing talent but haven't the first clue about how to win consistently and when you're not supposed to (like Brady). 

That one thinks that one QB or another is coddled by the league is not a part of this discussion.

Ok, maybe I can see your point of view that injury prone and glass could be considered similar. I think Ben's injury types would've injured any QB or any player given the same situations.

Of course I won't further my views on QB coddling as I do want to be "a part of this discussion". ;) ;)

HAHA, I don't want to sound like I'm dictating the conversation!  It's a good topic, I was just saying that I wasn't thinking of that when I went down this path. 

I also clearly am using the wrong terms here, and that's my fault.  I'm not suggesting that Ben isn't one of - if not THE - toughest QBs in the league.  I admire the guy, and think he's excellent.  I was just saying, though, that I think he can be gotten to physically.  I think you can take advantage of his wanting to extend every play to the last drop.  The human body can only take so much, he's 34, and every hit adds up.

I'm certainly am not criticizing Ben; I'm more thinking in terms of team strategy than anything else.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 18, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
1.  Packers:  Have been a fan since I was a kid.  And notwithstanding some things about Rodgers bugging me, I like him as a player (same for a number of their players).

Wait a minute.  I thought your were a Niners fan.

Yes.  I can't be a fan of more than one team?  Growing up, the Niners were always my #1.  But I was also a fan of GB, Denver, and, to a lesser extent, the Marino/Shula Dolphins.  My fandom of GB and Denver has persisted regardless of players.  My fandom of Miami was more player/coach-centric than team-centric, I suppose.

:chill I don't recall saying anything about what you "can't" do.  For me, it's always been one team.  More than one is like having more than one girlfriend.  What happens when they meet? :lol  Overall, I'm a fan of football.  I enjoy watching most teams play, but I'm a one team kinda guy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 18, 2017, 05:33:35 PM
One, if the Pack doesn't win the whole thing, it's not going to be because Rodgers didn't carve up the opposing D.  It's going to be the PACKERS D, and/or special teams.  Aaron is on fire, and he is really solid and unflappable at this point. His confidence has to be THROUGH THE ROOF.   

As for the Pats, I think we're forgetting a couple things:  one, it's a 60 minute game, in three phases.   The Pats can (not saying WILL, just CAN) beat you in any of the three phases.  That's their beauty.      Two, Belichick has a knack for removing a teams best player; that's not always good (they have been beaten in the past by the second or even third guy) but I have a feeling Le'Veon Bell is going to get 110 yards, 109 of them meaningless.  I think Ben is going to be on the move all game long, regardless, and if he's not 100%, it's going to be the difference.   

The one thing that can hurt the Pats is if they put the ball on the ground.  Not INTs, but fumbles, especially on special teams. That has hurt them in the past.

Eh, that is a narrative I do not buy into, and I think it mushroomed into this large myth after that Saints game years ago when Jimmy Graham was held without a catch.  Now all of a sudden people act like Belichick will simply take away a team's best player.  It's rubbish.

Did he take away Von Miller, the Broncos best player, in last year's AFCCG?

It's hard to know how good their D really is. They've played some suck ass QB's this year. If there's one guy that can torch them, it's Big Ben.

Eh, I don't see that.  Wilson already torched them a few months back.  Ryan or Rodgers could have a field day against them in the Super Bowl.  Given how poorly Ben plays on the road, I think he is just as likely to throw 2-3 picks as he is to torch them, if not moreso.

Who have they played other than Wilson, as I mentioned Seattle in this post:

Plus this year, they didn't play anybody. Other than a home loss to Seattle.
 


I also agree with this:
Ryan or Rodgers could have a field day against them in the Super Bowl.   

No question about it.

Not sure what you are disagreeing with me on?

You saying, "If there's one guy that can torch them, it's Big Ben," came off to me as, "Ben is the only QB good enough in the NFL to torch the Patriots."  That is what I disagree with.

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2017, 07:19:07 PM
I guess I was talking in the here and now, as in this weekend and in the AFC.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Accelerando on January 18, 2017, 08:13:13 PM
One, if the Pack doesn't win the whole thing, it's not going to be because Rodgers didn't carve up the opposing D.  It's going to be the PACKERS D, and/or special teams.  Aaron is on fire, and he is really solid and unflappable at this point. His confidence has to be THROUGH THE ROOF.   

This. Our Defense, mainly Dom Capers' weak zone defensive schemes, and Special Teams have single handily cost us games in the post-season, and probably a few Super Bowl appearances
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 18, 2017, 10:15:21 PM
In typical Bill Belichick fashion, his answer to the reporter's question is gold. :biggrin:

Reporter: How much does home-field advantage help you?

Belichick: "I don't know. Go ask Dallas and Kansas City."

Video of the question https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18502417 (https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18502417)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: DragonAttack on January 18, 2017, 11:00:30 PM
Speaking of QB's, there was an article on ESPN debating whether we have the best Championship Weekend Final 4 QB's of all time this year.  Interesting thought.  I'm hard pressed to find many years that come close.  1992 and 1993 may be close.  But outside of those years, I think this may just be the best final 4 QB's ever. 

Link here if anyone wanted to read it:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18496185/is-best-qb-final-four-nfl-history-2016-nfl-playoffs-conference-championships

A good read. '93 was indeed something with Montana, Kelly, Young and Aikman.  Not mentioned in the article was '73 (I only know this because I heard it on the radio).  Tarkenton, Staubach, Stabler and Griese. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 19, 2017, 04:01:38 AM
In typical Bill Belichick fashion, his answer to the reporter's question is gold. :biggrin:

Reporter: How much does home-field advantage help you?

Belichick: "I don't know. Go ask Dallas and Kansas City."

Video of the question https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18502417 (https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18502417)

I see it every day for 16 years. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 19, 2017, 04:13:02 AM


HAHA, I don't want to sound like I'm dictating the conversation!  It's a good topic, I was just saying that I wasn't thinking of that when I went down this path. 

I also clearly am using the wrong terms here, and that's my fault.  I'm not suggesting that Ben isn't one of - if not THE - toughest QBs in the league.  I admire the guy, and think he's excellent.  I was just saying, though, that I think he can be gotten to physically.  I think you can take advantage of his wanting to extend every play to the last drop.  The human body can only take so much, he's 34, and every hit adds up.

I'm certainly am not criticizing Ben; I'm more thinking in terms of team strategy than anything else.

I agree with all of this.

It's going to be interesting to see how this game unfolds, along with the NFC game. It should be a great weekend for football!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 19, 2017, 04:57:03 AM
I am so looking forward to the games this weekend. My #1 worry/concern is hoping, no, begging that the refs don't interfere with any of the games with either ridiculous calls or missed calls or whatever. There always seems to be some controversy at some point. :angry:

 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 19, 2017, 07:05:05 AM
If anyone still cares, Antonio Brown had a press conference yesterday to address the local media about this FB live stuff.... It was amazing.

To start he went through and read the scripted apology his PR guy gave him, the usual stuff..."I apologize for my actions" "I got caught up in the moment" "Like a man, I want to take responsibility for my mistakes"...etc...etc... Basically if you've ever heard an athlete read an apology for something you get the idea.

Then he takes questions from the media and it all goes down hill... :lol Someone asked him if he was getting paid to FB live (it's pretty much all but confirmed he is, about $250,000), his answer was that he can't say because it's "top secret".  :\

Then someone else asks him if he's going to do the social media thing again in the locker room after a game. All he has to say is NO. That's it. What does he say? “I guess you’ve got to wait and see.”  :rollin

Oh and the best part to top it all off: He was over an hour late to the press conference, a press conference to apologize for his social media being a distraction, because he was getting his haircut and broadcasting it on his SnapChat. Can't make this stuff up. I'd like to say I'm pissed as a Steeler fan, at this point I'm not even mad, I'm impressed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 19, 2017, 07:24:07 AM
If anyone still cares, Antonio Brown had a press conference yesterday to address the local media about this FB live stuff.... It was amazing.

To start he went through and read the scripted apology his PR guy gave him, the usual stuff..."I apologize for my actions" "I got caught up in the moment" "Like a man, I want to take responsibility for my mistakes"...etc...etc... Basically if you've ever heard an athlete read an apology for something you get the idea.

Then he takes questions from the media and it all goes down hill... :lol Someone asked him if he was getting paid to FB live (it's pretty much all but confirmed he is, about $250,000), his answer was that he can't say because it's "top secret".  :\

Then someone else asks him if he's going to do the social media thing again in the locker room after a game. All he has to say is NO. That's it. What does he say? “I guess you’ve got to wait and see.”  :rollin

Oh and the best part to top it all off: He was over an hour late to the press conference, a press conference to apologize for his social media being a distraction, because he was getting his haircut and broadcasting it on his SnapChat. Can't make this stuff up. I'd like to say I'm pissed as a Steeler fan, at this point I'm not even mad, I'm impressed.

I watched the whole thing...Freaking great! I think everything was "top secret"! I'm with ya, I like him even more because it's comical, in a way. :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 19, 2017, 08:53:31 AM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."

Haha yup, sounds like a Stadler response or something  ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2017, 12:38:06 PM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."

Haha yup, sounds like a Stadler response or something  ;)

Almost EXACTLY what my wife said:  "Honey, that sounds just like YOU!"

I went and put on my hoodie and sulked in the corner.  ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2017, 12:46:08 PM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."

Haha yup, sounds like a Stadler response or something  ;)

Almost EXACTLY what my wife said:  "Honey, that sounds just like YOU!"

I went and put on my hoodie and let the pressure out of her tires.  ;)

FTFY
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 19, 2017, 12:47:23 PM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."

Haha yup, sounds like a Stadler response or something  ;)

Almost EXACTLY what my wife said:  "Honey, that sounds just like YOU!"

I went and put on my hoodie and let the pressure out of her tires.  ;)

FTFY

Ah Bill.  Science fails you. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2017, 12:56:39 PM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."

Haha yup, sounds like a Stadler response or something  ;)

Almost EXACTLY what my wife said:  "Honey, that sounds just like YOU!"

I went and put on my hoodie and let the pressure out of her tires.  ;)

FTFY

Ah Bill.  Science fails you. ;D

And honor fails you. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 19, 2017, 01:04:17 PM
There's no honor in football!  That's such a Jets thing to say.



Come at me bro. Don't spill your beer for Gods sake!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: PowerSlave on January 19, 2017, 01:19:48 PM
If anyone still cares, Antonio Brown had a press conference yesterday to address the local media about this FB live stuff.... It was amazing.

To start he went through and read the scripted apology his PR guy gave him, the usual stuff..."I apologize for my actions" "I got caught up in the moment" "Like a man, I want to take responsibility for my mistakes"...etc...etc... Basically if you've ever heard an athlete read an apology for something you get the idea.

Then he takes questions from the media and it all goes down hill... :lol Someone asked him if he was getting paid to FB live (it's pretty much all but confirmed he is, about $250,000), his answer was that he can't say because it's "top secret".  :\

Then someone else asks him if he's going to do the social media thing again in the locker room after a game. All he has to say is NO. That's it. What does he say? “I guess you’ve got to wait and see.”  :rollin

Oh and the best part to top it all off: He was over an hour late to the press conference, a press conference to apologize for his social media being a distraction, because he was getting his haircut and broadcasting it on his SnapChat. Can't make this stuff up. I'd like to say I'm pissed as a Steeler fan, at this point I'm not even mad, I'm impressed.

I remember defending him earlier in this thread. You pretty much nailed it. Excuse me while I go clean the egg off my face.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 19, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
If anyone still cares, Antonio Brown had a press conference yesterday to address the local media about this FB live stuff.... It was amazing.

To start he went through and read the scripted apology his PR guy gave him, the usual stuff..."I apologize for my actions" "I got caught up in the moment" "Like a man, I want to take responsibility for my mistakes"...etc...etc... Basically if you've ever heard an athlete read an apology for something you get the idea.

Then he takes questions from the media and it all goes down hill... :lol Someone asked him if he was getting paid to FB live (it's pretty much all but confirmed he is, about $250,000), his answer was that he can't say because it's "top secret".  :\

Then someone else asks him if he's going to do the social media thing again in the locker room after a game. All he has to say is NO. That's it. What does he say? “I guess you’ve got to wait and see.”  :rollin

Oh and the best part to top it all off: He was over an hour late to the press conference, a press conference to apologize for his social media being a distraction, because he was getting his haircut and broadcasting it on his SnapChat. Can't make this stuff up. I'd like to say I'm pissed as a Steeler fan, at this point I'm not even mad, I'm impressed.

I remember defending him earlier in this thread. You pretty much nailed it. Excuse me while I go clean the egg off my face.

Ah, it's all good man, I certainly didn't post that to try to win any debates here, I just couldn't resist. The dude is unbelievably tone deaf, it's incredible.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 01:47:11 PM
So Oakland is moving to Las Vegas

Personally I think that's where the Chargers should have gone and Oakland should have stayed.  Sucks for the fans of these teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 19, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
So Oakland is moving to Las Vegas

Personally I think that's where the Chargers should have gone and Oakland should have stayed.  Sucks for the fans of these teams.

^^This. Why Chargers chose LA is perplexing. Oakland loses a second time. It will be interesting to see a Vegas team though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: El Barto on January 19, 2017, 03:19:23 PM
Belichick's response to the Brown thing was pretty classic too:  "As you guys know, I'm not big on the Snapface or whatever."

Haha yup, sounds like a Stadler response or something  ;)

Almost EXACTLY what my wife said:  "Honey, that sounds just like YOU!"

I went and put on my hoodie and let the pressure out of her tires.  ;)

FTFY

 :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 19, 2017, 03:19:53 PM
I hate this Raiders move. And the Bay Area is a much, much bigger market than Vegas is, so I kind of question how well this is going to turn out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
I hate this Raiders move. And the Bay Area is a much, much bigger market than Vegas is, so I kind of question how well this is going to turn out.

I don't have data to back this, just my feeling, but I think the tourism to Vegas will help fill the stadium 8 times a year.  Sunday gameday in Vegas could be an amazing experience.  Actually, it already is in the sports betting area of the casinos.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 19, 2017, 03:31:24 PM
I hate this Raiders move. And the Bay Area is a much, much bigger market than Vegas is, so I kind of question how well this is going to turn out.

I don't have data to back this, just my feeling, but I think the tourism to Vegas will help fill the stadium 8 times a year.  Sunday gameday in Vegas could be an amazing experience.  Actually, it already is in the sports betting area of the casinos.
It seems like the TV/merch money would end up being significantly worse, though. And being able to fill the stadium is one thing, but selling expensive seat licenses to locals, which is where you can really make big money on a stadium, seems like a tougher sell.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
I hate this Raiders move. And the Bay Area is a much, much bigger market than Vegas is, so I kind of question how well this is going to turn out.

I don't have data to back this, just my feeling, but I think the tourism to Vegas will help fill the stadium 8 times a year.  Sunday gameday in Vegas could be an amazing experience.  Actually, it already is in the sports betting area of the casinos.
It seems like the TV/merch money would end up being significantly worse, though. And being able to fill the stadium is one thing, but selling expensive seat licenses to locals, which is where you can really make big money on a stadium, seems like a tougher sell.

Merch maybe you have a point there, but TV money is split between the teams and the NFL has a massive contract for TV so I don't think that plays a role here.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: splent on January 19, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
One, if the Pack doesn't win the whole thing, it's not going to be because Rodgers didn't carve up the opposing D.  It's going to be the PACKERS D, and/or special teams.  Aaron is on fire, and he is really solid and unflappable at this point. His confidence has to be THROUGH THE ROOF.   

This. Our Defense, mainly Dom Capers' weak zone defensive schemes, and Special Teams have single handily cost us games in the post-season, and probably a few Super Bowl appearances

ST is a weakness but it's definitely improved with Ron Zook. Shawn Slocum SUCKED and needed to be fired about 5 years before he was. Our D-line is decent and our linebackers are fine, it's the secondary. Randall blows and shouldn't be on the team next year. We need CBs badly, and our secondary coach needs to get fired which he probably will after the season since he was arrested for a DUI.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: dparrott on January 19, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
Vegas seems like a Raiders type of town.  And the Raiders culture is so popular and far reaching, filling seats shouldn't be a problem.  Actually, I've seen Chargers fans wanting to become Raiders fans since the announcement to leave SD.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 19, 2017, 09:10:22 PM
I hate this Raiders move. And the Bay Area is a much, much bigger market than Vegas is, so I kind of question how well this is going to turn out.

I don't have data to back this, just my feeling, but I think the tourism to Vegas will help fill the stadium 8 times a year.  Sunday gameday in Vegas could be an amazing experience.  Actually, it already is in the sports betting area of the casinos.
It seems like the TV/merch money would end up being significantly worse, though. And being able to fill the stadium is one thing, but selling expensive seat licenses to locals, which is where you can really make big money on a stadium, seems like a tougher sell.

Merch maybe you have a point there, but TV money is split between the teams and the NFL has a massive contract for TV so I don't think that plays a role here.
Yeah, you got me on the TV part, I must be reading too much baseball news. And merch is ultimately pretty insignificant compared to stadium revenue. It really comes down to whether you can get people to drop $40k (or some other astronomical amount of money) on a seat license for a new stadium. Having good young talent and a playoff season helps a lot. Right now Mark Davis, by NFL standards, has to be a penny pincher, because he just doesn't have the money a lot of other owners do. If he gets $100m in annual profits from a new stadium like Jed York and the 49ers, suddenly he doesn't have to worry as much about whether he can afford a top notch coaching staff and facilities. Oakland wasn't going for it, so he has to move on.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 20, 2017, 07:19:36 AM
It will be interesting to see how Vegas teams do (in terms of local support). They are going from no major sports franchises to having  NFL and NHL teams. Big change for the town.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 20, 2017, 07:36:03 AM
Vegas is a sports betting capitol.  Should be business as usual.  Not much of a change at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 20, 2017, 07:41:53 AM
The fans in Oakland have to be going crazy, as I know the Warriors are also moving out of Oakland across the bay to SF in 2019. Yes, it's not a huge geographical move, and they weren't the "Oakland Warriors" but it's technically out of Oakland.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: PowerSlave on January 20, 2017, 08:00:27 AM
I don't know much details about Oakland. Were they unable to get a new stadium deal there like San Diego?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2017, 08:03:10 AM
Vegas is a sports betting capitol.  Should be business as usual.  Not much of a change at all.

Agreed, but I think the NHL team is more likely to struggle.  Hockey in the heat hasn't been terribly popular in the past and with 41 home games, that's a lot more seats to sell than an NFL team. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 20, 2017, 08:13:56 AM
Vegas is a sports betting capitol.  Should be business as usual.  Not much of a change at all.

Agreed, but I think the NHL team is more likely to struggle.  Hockey in the heat hasn't been terribly popular in the past and with 41 home games, that's a lot more seats to sell than an NFL team.

Well, they do have SJ, LA, Phoenix, Dallas, and a couple of Florida teams. They seem to be doing ok in the heat. I think Vegas is a different type of city though, it's gonna be interesting to see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Vegas is a sports betting capitol.  Should be business as usual.  Not much of a change at all.

Agreed, but I think the NHL team is more likely to struggle.  Hockey in the heat hasn't been terribly popular in the past and with 41 home games, that's a lot more seats to sell than an NFL team.

Well, they do have SJ, LA, Phoenix, Dallas, and a couple of Florida teams. They seem to be doing ok in the heat. I think Vegas is a different type of city though, it's gonna be interesting to see.

Out of all those, I believe LA is the only one doing well.  Phoenix is a disaster.  I'm not saying it'll fail, but I think it'll be more difficult than the NFL team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 20, 2017, 08:24:43 AM
Vegas is a sports betting capitol.  Should be business as usual.  Not much of a change at all.

Agreed, but I think the NHL team is more likely to struggle.  Hockey in the heat hasn't been terribly popular in the past and with 41 home games, that's a lot more seats to sell than an NFL team.

Well, they do have SJ, LA, Phoenix, Dallas, and a couple of Florida teams. They seem to be doing ok in the heat. I think Vegas is a different type of city though, it's gonna be interesting to see.

Out of all those, I believe LA is the only one doing well.  Phoenix is a disaster.  I'm not saying it'll fail, but I think it'll be more difficult than the NFL team.

SJ does well too. Yes, I agree that the NFL will be an easier sell with fans just due to the number of home games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 20, 2017, 08:29:07 AM
Vegas is a sports betting capitol.  Should be business as usual.  Not much of a change at all.

Agreed, but I think the NHL team is more likely to struggle.  Hockey in the heat hasn't been terribly popular in the past and with 41 home games, that's a lot more seats to sell than an NFL team.

Well, they do have SJ, LA, Phoenix, Dallas, and a couple of Florida teams. They seem to be doing ok in the heat. I think Vegas is a different type of city though, it's gonna be interesting to see.

Out of all those, I believe LA is the only one doing well.  Phoenix is a disaster.  I'm not saying it'll fail, but I think it'll be more difficult than the NFL team.

Bingo. I'm more curious to see if the NHL team sells well there. SJ is doing well because the team is good. LA does well because it's a long standing franchise with recent success. Phoenix is horrible, and the FL teams have started to catch on because they have actually started to compete.

I don't see the Vegas expansion team competing right away, so I'm curious to see how the franchise does when the new car smell wears off.

Also - @ Dublagent66 being a betting town doesn't necessarily mean they will support those franchises with ticket, merch, etc... sales and TV ratings. It might translate or it might not.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 20, 2017, 08:46:29 AM
Yeah, I don't see the NHL getting as much support simply because it's not nearly as popular as the NFL.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 20, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
I don't know much details about Oakland. Were they unable to get a new stadium deal there like San Diego?
Yup. They've been trying forever, because the Coliseum, while charming in some ways, is very old, and it's a total dump by today's standards.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 10:38:03 AM
It's a shame they couldn't get the money approved to do a new stadium in the same location.  That neighborhood isn't great.  But in terms of access, it is terrific.  But yeah, the stadium itself is bad.  Oracle, as old as it is, is decent, IMO.  But the outdoor stadium...no.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 20, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
I don't know much details about Oakland. Were they unable to get a new stadium deal there like San Diego?
Yup. They've been trying forever, because the Coliseum, while charming in some ways, is very old, and it's a total dump by today's standards.

By trying do you mean trying to get the taxpayers to fund the development? I'm asking honestly because I don't know.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 10:49:19 AM
My understanding is that they have been trying for the better part of the last four decades to get finding and approval through just about every means possible, and keep getting stonewalled.  That fight has been going on since before they left Oakland the first time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 20, 2017, 10:50:09 AM
My understanding is that they have been trying for the better part of the last four decades to get finding and approval through just about every means possible, and keep getting stonewalled.  That fight has been going on since before they left Oakland the first time.

Ah gotcha, thanks!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 20, 2017, 11:38:36 AM
Damn... I feel so bad for this young man. A promising career cut way too short.

Quote
Baltimore Ravens linebacker Zach Orr, the team's leading tackler this season, has retired at age 24 because of a congenital neck and spine condition, the team announced Friday.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18517245/baltimore-ravens-lb-zach-orr-retire
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 20, 2017, 12:14:45 PM
My understanding is that they have been trying for the better part of the last four decades to get finding and approval through just about every means possible, and keep getting stonewalled.  That fight has been going on since before they left Oakland the first time.

I lived out there from late 80's - late 90's and it was always bad, worse than the 'stick' and that's long gone.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 12:34:18 PM
My understanding is that they have been trying for the better part of the last four decades to get finding and approval through just about every means possible, and keep getting stonewalled.  That fight has been going on since before they left Oakland the first time.

I lived out there from late 80's - late 90's and it was always bad, worse than the 'stick' and that's long gone.
Me too (well, I got there before the late '80s, but was still there during the time you mention).  In fact, my first concert ever was Quiet Riot/Whitesnake/Kick Axe at what is now Oracle Arena.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 20, 2017, 12:34:49 PM
I like the Falcons, something like 34 - 30.

The second game . . . everyone knows BB is a defensive guru, they've never won the SB without a good to great defense. For me this is a match between Todd Haley and BB. Will Haley be creative and dynamic with his play calling? Or will they go no-huddle like they did against Balt when they scored 3TDs in the fourth quarter? On defense, I think they need to focus on limiting those easy throws to a Edelman and take a chance with man coverage on the outside receivers.

As Cowherd said yesterday, instead of getting completely wrapped up in results, take a moment just to enjoy these games and QB matchups. Some of them may not happen again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 20, 2017, 08:09:54 PM
Damn... I feel so bad for this young man. A promising career cut way too short.

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Baltimore Ravens linebacker Zach Orr, the team's leading tackler this season, has retired at age 24 because of a congenital neck and spine condition, the team announced Friday.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18517245/baltimore-ravens-lb-zach-orr-retire

Bummer for the team, but hopefully he got out before being disabled for life.



As Cowherd said yesterday, instead of getting completely wrapped up in results, take a moment just to enjoy these games and QB matchups. Some of them may not happen again.

Yep, I saw his take on that, too.  Hard to believe this is only the second time NE has played Pittsburgh in the Roethlisberger era (2004-present). 

We were spoiled to get five Peyton/Brady playoff games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 20, 2017, 08:14:11 PM
No Kev, I've been spoiled.  I wondered how The Steelers, SF, and Dallas did it in 3 decades growing up?

I've lived 15 years of "having a chance" every year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 20, 2017, 09:03:58 PM
What's really crazy is that every AFC Super Bowl team since 2003 has had Peyton, Brady or Roethlisberger at QB, except the 2012 Ravens.  And this year it is guaranteed to be one of them again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Cool Chris on January 20, 2017, 09:07:30 PM
By trying do you mean trying to get the taxpayers to fund the development? I'm asking honestly because I don't know.

My understanding is that they have been trying for the better part of the last four decades to get finding and approval through just about every means possible, and keep getting stonewalled.  That fight has been going on since before they left Oakland the first time.

So yes, multimillionaires are having trouble getting taxpayers to pay for their buildings.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: splent on January 20, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
I like the Falcons, something like 34 - 30.

Reverse the scores and you get my thinking, although I think it'll be packers 38 falcons 28.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 20, 2017, 10:08:26 PM
I'm taking the home teams for the 3rd straight week.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: PowerSlave on January 21, 2017, 01:13:04 AM
Damn... I feel so bad for this young man. A promising career cut way too short.

Quote
Baltimore Ravens linebacker Zach Orr, the team's leading tackler this season, has retired at age 24 because of a congenital neck and spine condition, the team announced Friday.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18517245/baltimore-ravens-lb-zach-orr-retire

It's sad that a young man won't be able to live his dream, and use his talent in the prime of his life. However, thank the deity of your choice that he wasn't seriously injured. Hopefully he did well in college and took his studies seriously.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 21, 2017, 03:55:19 PM
Well Irsay's drug haze finally wore off and he fired Grigson.  He is the main reason Luck has regressed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 21, 2017, 06:26:57 PM
Well Irsay's drug haze finally wore off and he fired Grigson.  He is the main reason Luck has regressed.
I don't know why he waited, rather than make the move when more candidates were available (several of the guys SF was going after already got raises to stay at their current teams, for instance). Or why he kept Pagano, who'll likely get fired after yet another middling season.

Of course it seems very likely that he just promotes the in-house candidate, Jimmy Raye III.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 21, 2017, 06:31:05 PM
Should have been done last year!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pat-mcafee-has-savage-subtweets-about-ryan-grigson-then-takes-on-dan-dakich/ar-AAm5PpG?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: DragonAttack on January 21, 2017, 09:02:00 PM
^
The NFL has really done well with social media in the last week :facepalm:

More on Zachary Orr
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-zachary-orr-will-announce-retirement-today-because-of-neck-injury-20170120-story.html

It's worth the couple of minutes.  An undrafted free agent out of North Texas becomes the Ravens' leading tackler, a 2nd team All-Pro, and then his career is over at 24.  A well spoken young man from a great family.  You won't hear about these players on the Jerry Springer-ish type sports shows. 

fwiw, taking the Pats and Falcons.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 21, 2017, 11:39:52 PM
Good for Pat McAfee. Everyone's been thinking it for a few years anyway.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2017, 08:02:04 AM
Belichick at it again!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/fans-blame-%e2%80%98cheat%e2%80%99-patriots-after-3-am-evacuation-of-steelers-hotel/ar-AAm72LR?li=BBnbfcL

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 08:11:58 AM
 :lol

Lock that dumb kid up.  Btw, the kid tweeted Scott Zolak that he did it. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2017, 08:15:50 AM
I haven't watched a game all year. Something tells me not to start today because the Steelers will give me more anxiety than I feel like dealing with.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 09:07:31 AM
Belichick at it again!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/fans-blame-%e2%80%98cheat%e2%80%99-patriots-after-3-am-evacuation-of-steelers-hotel/ar-AAm72LR?li=BBnbfcL

Shit like that happens in sports all the time. 

I still remember the stories about how Lawrence Taylor would pay a hooker to go keep a player up all night the night before a big game, and always the player he was most worried about on the offensive line. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 22, 2017, 09:22:32 AM
NE and ATL in SB.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 22, 2017, 09:30:40 AM
I'm definitely rooting for whoever come out of the NFC to win it all since Pittsburgh and New England are by far my two least favorite teams in the league. I'm not making any actual predictions for today since I'm very superstitious (cue clavichord) and I don't want to jinx anything, but as far as what I want, I would love for the Steelers to win a hard fought and physical game so that they're beat up (not injured but very sore) for the Super Bowl and then for Atlanta to beat Green Bay. I obviously want the Falcons to win the Super Bowl and the reason is because I want someone different. The other three teams have 14 Super Bowls and 21 conference titles between them while Atlanta is 0-1 in the big game. It would just be nice to see a different city get a parade for once.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
I think Atlanta will win today.  GB has too many injuries in the secondary to stop the Atlanta offense, and while Rodgers can still be all-world, Nelson and Adams not being close to 100 percent really hurts them.  Plus, Atlanta is just really good; better than most realize.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 10:02:17 AM
I think Atlanta will win today.  GB has too many injuries in the secondary to stop the Atlanta offense, and while Rodgers can still be all-world, Nelson and Adams not being close to 100 percent really hurts them.  Plus, Atlanta is just really good; better than most realize.

I was thinking this as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: RoeDent on January 22, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
Just locking in my predictions for the Championship games. I'm going for Packers and Patriots wins tonight. I'm hoping for lots of points in the Packers-Falcons game.

I'm 6-2 for playoff predictions after last week's games, so at least I'm guaranteed a winning record even if I get all 3 remaining games wrong.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 22, 2017, 12:17:06 PM
I'm definitely rooting for whoever come out of the NFC to win it all since Pittsburgh and New England are by far my two least favorite teams in the league. I'm not making any actual predictions for today since I'm very superstitious (cue clavichord) and I don't want to jinx anything, but as far as what I want, I would love for the Steelers to win a hard fought and physical game so that they're beat up (not injured but very sore) for the Super Bowl and then for Atlanta to beat Green Bay. I obviously want the Falcons to win the Super Bowl and the reason is because I want someone different. The other three teams have 14 Super Bowls and 21 conference titles between them while Atlanta is 0-1 in the big game. It would just be nice to see a different city get a parade for once.

I agree with all of this except, I don't want to see Pitt go to the SB.  If that happened, they just might get their 7th world championship and I definitely don't want to see that.  However, I don't think they get through NE.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 01:21:07 PM
Impressive first drive by Atlanta, topped off by a nifty little pass by Ryan for the TD.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 22, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
Yeah, that was cool.  However, that unnecessary roughness penalty against GB was bullshit.  Not the penalty itself, but the way the rule is enforced on the ensuing kickoff.  It really isn't a penalty at all.  Kickoff from mid field?  What does that do?  Kickers are already putting the ball through the endzone from the 35 YL.  Either way, the penalized team starts on the 25 YL.  That rule needs to be changed to something that resembles an actual penalty.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 01:55:20 PM
Agreed.

In the meantime, the Packers first two drives saw Crosby miss a FG and then the fullback fumbled in the Falcons red zone.  Game over.  Especially since GB's defense stinks and cannot stop the Falcons offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 22, 2017, 02:08:08 PM
Yeah, what I'm seeing is a clearly better ATL team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 02:10:35 PM
The Falcons look good.



Oh and can you believe another QB complained about being hit after throwing the football?!  .............
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 02:14:57 PM
Except that he didn't look like a child throwing a tantrum...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
Still got up right on a ref.  Complained.   It's not how you complain it's that you do. 

They all do.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 02:21:30 PM
No, it's how you look.  Its like the old saying, it't not what you say, it's how you say it.  The optics matter.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Optics is foolish.  They all complain to the refs to sway them.  How they accomplish that does not matter.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 22, 2017, 02:29:35 PM
I knew the packers had it tough today but they are being decimated and not even miracles can bring them back today.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
Damn.   Atlanta is on the gas peddle right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: DragonAttack on January 22, 2017, 02:54:15 PM
The Falcon fumble recovery:  why wasn't it marked at the half yard line?  The point is rather mute at this point, but.....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 22, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
Amazing play by Julio Jones

31-0
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 22, 2017, 03:22:05 PM
It's amazing how GB doesn't look anything like the team we've seen the past 2 months.  Then, they get a delay of game trying an onside (onsides) kick.  You hardly ever see that from any team.

BTW, Julio Jones is a madman!  Damn!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2017, 03:23:53 PM
Good lord Green Bay.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 22, 2017, 05:09:04 PM
Easy pick as to who I'm rooting for at the Super Bowl.  Congrats to the Atlanta Falcons for their 2nd conference championship and two dominate wins in doing so.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 05:11:46 PM
Pittsburgh already getting too cute with their offensive play calling.  They'll be down 17-0 by the time they figure it out, at this rate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
I thought Atlanta would win, but they flat out destroyed Green Bay. Damn!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
Easy pick as to who I'm rooting for at the Super Bowl.  Congrats to the Atlanta Falcons for their 2nd conference championship and two dominate wins in doing so.

Yup, I'm rooting for them to win the SB  :yarr
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 05:21:21 PM
Should be interesting to see how much Belichick can slow down that Falcons offense in the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 22, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
Love me a good flea flicker
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 05:42:18 PM
Hogan is having a hell of a game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 22, 2017, 05:50:37 PM
Right in his lap. Unbelievable. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 06:01:40 PM
Big goal line stand!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: pogoowner on January 22, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
NFL coaches are so bad at goal line playcalling sometimes.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 06:06:52 PM
I think Pittsburgh there was too worried about making NE burn their timeouts, hence the vanilla runs on 1st and 2nd downs. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
It's weird these days. Most teams, when the D knows your running can't get a yard.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: El Barto on January 22, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
I'm not sure how we got to the point where Dion Lewis is the between the tackles runner and Blount runs outside. I get that they like White as the 3rd down back catching balls out of the backfield, but DL is a monster when he gets the ball in space. Just seems an odd way to use that particular trio of backs.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2017, 06:49:12 PM
Brady got away with that fumble.





Blount, holy shit!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
Hell yeah!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 22, 2017, 07:04:18 PM
When they beat NE in 2011 they played tight man-to-man. Why stay in zone when it doesn't work? Come on Tomlin.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Dream Team on January 22, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
Wow, so #83 has screwed up TWO TD catches today. Thanks  :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
Disappointing, but not surprising.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2017, 07:43:38 PM
Surprising, but not disappointing.  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 07:44:42 PM
Expected and delivered.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2017, 07:53:28 PM
I knew they would go far this year, but I also knew this would be their final stop.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: El Barto on January 22, 2017, 08:03:01 PM
What was going on with Bob Kraft? I don't recall any speech impediments and that didn't seem like too much scotch up in the suite during the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2017, 08:06:50 PM
NE absolutely destroyed Pittsburgh with the game plans.  Belichick showed again why he is the best coach ever, and it's not close.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: faizoff on January 22, 2017, 08:17:35 PM
Did not expect these games to be so one sided. I thought the Steelers would make it competitive and it looked like they did in the beginning but Patriots gonna Patriots. This superbowl should be another shootout. Can't wait.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: King Postwhore on January 22, 2017, 08:44:55 PM
What was going on with Bob Kraft? I don't recall any speech impediments and that didn't seem like too much scotch up in the suite during the game.

Bob has been slurring for a long time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 23, 2017, 03:11:34 AM
Come on Falcons. Please, for the love of all things football, win your first title so the Patriots don't win their fifth. I don't think my heart can handle another Patriots Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 23, 2017, 04:09:18 AM
NE absolutely destroyed Pittsburgh with the game plans.  Belichick showed again why he is the best coach ever, and it's not close.

Agreed. Horrible game plan for Steelers, especially defensively. Just plain out coached.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Prog Snob on January 23, 2017, 04:12:04 AM
I don't understand why they didn't use the same defensive game plan that they used when they beat them last time.  :censored
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: contest_sanity on January 23, 2017, 07:09:57 AM
As an Atlanta sports fan jaded by years and years of false hopes, I will now finally allow myself to believe that the Falcons are actually good. It will be fascinating to see us square off against the genius of Belichick. Nobody has really been able to stop our offense, but if anyone can come up with a brilliant defensive scheme, it's him.
Oh yeah, and Brady's pretty good too. Although our defense has improved a lot over the season, and I think we are much better on that side of the ball than our overall numbers indicate. Should be a great game!

#RISE UP

ps -- if we lose, I will be taking like a year break from listening to Bill Simmons. His homerism is already a bit annoying; can't imagine what it's like when he's beaten your team for the championship.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 23, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
It's funny. 2 years ago, the NFC South was bashed as being the worst division in football. After sending a division champion with a losing record to the playoffs in 2014, they have sent teams to the next two Super Bowls. Funny how things can change.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 23, 2017, 07:24:21 AM
NE absolutely destroyed Pittsburgh with the game plans.  Belichick showed again why he is the best coach ever, and it's not close.

Agreed. Horrible game plan for Steelers, especially defensively. Just plain out coached.

Amen. Terrible, terrible job by all involved on the Steelers coaching staff, and a lot of the players didn't show up either. Credit to the Pats for not only being prepared with a much better game plan, but also executing that plan FAR better than Pit.

I had a couple things in mind before the game that I thought the Steelers would need to do/have happen in order to win.

- Bell having a monster game
- Ben play great, not good, but great
- The D needed to get a couple big splash plays throughout

So...Bell gets hurt, Ben plays OK but definitely not great, and the D doesn't show up  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: AngelBack on January 23, 2017, 07:26:26 AM
As an Atlanta sports fan jaded by years and years of false hopes, I will now allow myself to believe that the Falcons are actually good. It will be fascinating to see us square off against the genius of Belichick. Nobody has really been able to stop our offense, but if anyone can come up with a brilliant defensive scheme, it's him.
Oh yeah, and Brady's pretty good too. Although our defense has improved a lot over the season, and I think we are much better on that side of the ball than our overall numbers indicate. Should be a great game!

#RISE UP

ps -- if we lose, I will be taking like a year break from listening to Bill Simmons. His homerism is already a bit annoying; can't imagine what it's like when he's beaten your team for the championship.

Yep, another long time Falcon fan here, but we have learned not to get our hopes up.  But this team really is different and Dan Quinn has certainly created a winning attitude in this team.  We are fast, we hit hard, quarterback at the top of his game.   A lot to feel good about.  Vegas has NE by 3.  That in itself says a lot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2017, 07:40:08 AM
As a Panthers fan, I have no love for Atlanta.  But they are certainly preferable to the dreaded Patriots, so that's who I'll root for in the Super Bowl.

Having said that, I really admire how the Patriots prepare.  Unbelievable.

One big difference that really stood out during that AFC game: NE doesn't miss tackles, and Pittsburgh does, a lot (as do most of the other teams in the league).

I don't think Brady will be able to play against Atlanta's D the same way that he did against Pittsburgh's, and I don't think NE's D will stifle Atlanta's offense the way that they do to others.  So my early pick is Atlanta.  Which means, of course, that the Patriots will hoist the Lombardi Trophy once more.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2017, 07:41:58 AM
What was going on with Bob Kraft? I don't recall any speech impediments and that didn't seem like too much scotch up in the suite during the game.

HAHA, he didn't get three words out and my wife says "He's bombed!"  Nance knew better and moved the conversation over to Belichick.    I've seen that before with him. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Ryan vs. Rodgers, Pats vs. Pitt
Post by: dparrott on January 23, 2017, 07:45:53 AM
Come on Falcons. Please, for the love of all things football, win your first title so the Patriots don't win their fifth. I don't think my heart can handle another Patriots Super Bowl.

+1 Good for them.  First SB in 19 years! 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2017, 07:48:16 AM
Too early to make my pick yet - I usually wait for the "head" pick till about Wednesday of game week, but couple thoughts:

I don't think the Steelers had the manpower to play man-to-man consistently against the Pats and hope to stop all phases of that offense.  It's a VERY good offense, and honestly, it could have been worse (as good a game as Hogan had, he had two or three pretty easy drops, and Edelman dropped a gimme as well).   

It wasn't the difference in the game, because Williams is good, and a different runner, but having Bell out took Brown out of the game too, and that was the difference.   If you're relying on James (who played very well) and Hamilton to be your stars against the Pats, well, it's going to be a good day up in New England.   

As to next game, "Wade Phillips", that's all I'm gonna say.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 23, 2017, 07:49:27 AM
I've got to say I feel spoiled. I'll never see a run like this ever again in my lifetime with a team I follow.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on January 23, 2017, 07:49:52 AM
I'm certainly not picking against the Pats, but I am rooting for Atlanta.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Nick on January 23, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
Well, this super bowl is good for me, rooting for both teams. I've never enjoyed the endless Patriots hate, since it's great coaching and great play that has gotten the franchise its deserved fame. I kinda root for them against all the bullshit that is hurled their way. That said, it's hard not to pull for Atlanta to win this year. I just hope it's a much closer game than either of the last games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 23, 2017, 09:14:41 AM
I don't think the Steelers had the manpower to play man-to-man consistently against the Pats and hope to stop all phases of that offense.  It's a VERY good offense, and honestly, it could have been worse (as good a game as Hogan had, he had two or three pretty easy drops, and Edelman dropped a gimme as well).   

They probably would have struggled to play man-on-man, but gosh they really, really needed to try something different. Historically, Brady has picked apart the zone coverages the Steelers run. Dick Lebeau ran pretty consistent zone looks during his tenure and Keith Butler hasn't really changed them much, meaning they have been running the same or similar zone coverage against Brady and BB for the entirety of their (Brady and BB) time together. Brady toasted them on this and made the Pittsburgh coaching staff look like the did not prepare well, or were just to stubborn to move away from their comfort zone (no pun intended).

It wasn't the difference in the game, because Williams is good, and a different runner, but having Bell out took Brown out of the game too, and that was the difference.   If you're relying on James (who played very well) and Hamilton to be your stars against the Pats, well, it's going to be a good day up in New England.   

No question. As soon as Bell was out, they were able to focus even more so on Brown and the Steelers were pretty much done.

Also - dear lord Sammie Coates and Cobi Hamilton - catch a freaking ball!  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 23, 2017, 09:59:50 AM
I don't think the Steelers had the manpower to play man-to-man consistently against the Pats and hope to stop all phases of that offense.  It's a VERY good offense, and honestly, it could have been worse (as good a game as Hogan had, he had two or three pretty easy drops, and Edelman dropped a gimme as well).   

They probably would have struggled to play man-on-man, but gosh they really, really needed to try something different. Historically, Brady has picked apart the zone coverages the Steelers run. Dick Lebeau ran pretty consistent zone looks during his tenure and Keith Butler hasn't really changed them much, meaning they have been running the same or similar zone coverage against Brady and BB for the entirety of their (Brady and BB) time together. Brady toasted them on this and made the Pittsburgh coaching staff look like the did not prepare well, or were just to stubborn to move away from their comfort zone (no pun intended).

It wasn't the difference in the game, because Williams is good, and a different runner, but having Bell out took Brown out of the game too, and that was the difference.   If you're relying on James (who played very well) and Hamilton to be your stars against the Pats, well, it's going to be a good day up in New England.   

No question. As soon as Bell was out, they were able to focus even more so on Brown and the Steelers were pretty much done.

Also - dear lord Sammie Coates and Cobi Hamilton - catch a freaking ball!  :lol

I kind of agree with all of this. The thing that always bothered me with Cowher was the approach of "they're gonna have beat us at our game" or "we're not changing what got us here"...it appears that Tomlin has that same approach and he really doesn't game plan for each opponent separately. Any Steeler fan that watched that game probably yelled at the TV after the 1st Pats drive to switch to man on D. It's the same story every time they play, there are always receivers with absolutely no one covering them, over,and over. They also needed to find a way to pressure Brady, they just didn't. This, in my mind, is a coaching issue rather than a player issue. If they would have deployed a similar game plan as Houston, or at least made some in game adjustments, it would have been more competitive. The offense was just average, yes, there were a few drops that shouldn't have been, but the Pats had there share of drops too, the kind of drops that would have really made the game a blow out earlier. Bell getting injured didn't help, I just don't think it would've mattered. They got outplayed and thoroughly out coached.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: axeman90210 on January 23, 2017, 10:09:19 AM
Well, this super bowl is good for me, rooting for both teams. I've never enjoyed the endless Patriots hate, since it's great coaching and great play that has gotten the franchise its deserved fame. I kinda root for them against all the bullshit that is hurled their way. That said, it's hard not to pull for Atlanta to win this year. I just hope it's a much closer game than either of the last games.

And the cheating, can't forget the cheating :P

Should be a good game (although I also thought that about the NFC game yesterday), I'll be really curious to see how the Falcons offense matches up against the Pats defense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 23, 2017, 10:10:43 AM
I kind of agree with all of this. The thing that always bothered me with Cowher was the approach of "they're gonna have beat us at our game" or "we're not changing what got us here"...it appears that Tomlin has that same approach and he really doesn't game plan for each opponent separately. Any Steeler fan that watched that game probably yelled at the TV after the 1st Pats drive to switch to man on D. It's the same story every time they play, there are always receivers with absolutely no one covering them, over,and over. They also needed to find a way to pressure Brady, they just didn't. This, in my mind, is a coaching issue rather than a player issue. If they would have deployed a similar game plan as Houston, or at least made some in game adjustments, it would have been more competitive. The offense was just average, yes, there were a few drops that shouldn't have been, but the Pats had there share of drops too, the kind of drops that would have really made the game a blow out earlier. Bell getting injured didn't help, I just don't think it would've mattered. They got outplayed and thoroughly out coached.

Agreed. I was one of those Steeler fans yelling at my TV because it was clear from the start that Pittsburgh wasn't getting pressure and were playing soft zones. What struck me about the pass rush was that as soon as Brady started completing those Bradyish short yardage passes, they stopping trying to bring the inside LBs in on blitzes. Those inside LBs were dropping back to take zone coverage duties most of the time, that completely killed their pressure on Brady. Sure, people talk about outside LBs like Harrison getting pressure, but one of the Steelers strengths has always been leveraging inside guys in unique ways to pressure the QB. That didn't happen at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 23, 2017, 10:25:30 AM
I've got to say I feel spoiled. I'll never see a run like this ever again in my lifetime with a team I follow.

Don't rub it in King.   :lol


Come on Falcons. Please, for the love of all things football, win your first title so the Patriots don't win their fifth. I don't think my heart can handle another Patriots Super Bowl.

Agreed.  Really tired of the Pats but I knew they would win at home.  ATL deserves to get their first SB win and I hope they do.


Just a few more notes on championship weekend.  Both games were a route by the winners.  Packers never showed up.  I believe if ATL had gone to Dallas, it would've been a much better game.  Steelers didn't really execute well and we all know that NE are masters at execution.  So, here we are.  2 weeks away from the big show.  Should be good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Skeever on January 23, 2017, 11:19:55 AM
This has been the worst NFL postseason that I can remember.

Only an Atlanta win over the Pats can save it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dream Team on January 23, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
Yeah, so that happened.

Tomlin was exposed last night as the clueless cheerleader he is. Obviously no cohesive game plan, no strategy adjustments. Rush 3 and drop the rest into soft zone and hope for some drops was his and the DC's game plan I guess. Inexcusable. Do they not remember the 2011/2012 (forgot) game when they beat NE with tight man-to-man?

As far as offense goes, it was pretty much one-on-eleven. Secondary receivers were straight-up hands-of-stone trash. No running game, didn't matter that Bell was hurt. Haley completely incapable of a game plan that didn't rely on Bell getting 150+ yards.

Finally, I am so SO SICK of the gutless, spineless, sackless conservatism of NFL coaches. McCarthy was at it again, learned NOTHING from last year. Happy to keep punting on 4th and short despite the fact that A) you have Aaron Frickin Rodgers who can pass or scramble for 2 measly yards most of the time, and B) there was no stopping the ATL offense. "field position" doesn't mean JACK SHIT when the opponent is getting 10+ yards per play. Punt the ball to them, and 2 plays later they are back to the yard line you punted from. The worst example: after the 15-yd roughing penalty, GB kicked off from the 50 into the end zone anyway instead of trying an onside kick. If the onside kick fails, you lose maybe 15 yds of field position (the 25 after the touchback vs around the 40 probably). You need to maximize your possessions when you are going against the best (by far) offense in the league. Nope, McCarthy was happy to keep giving the ball back to them. In a do-or-die game, you have FOUR chances to get your 10 yards, not THREE. Incomprehensible concept to ultra-conservative, coach-to-not-be-second-guessed cowardice of most NFL coaches.

Tomlin was at it too: punted from the the NE 39 when already well behind. Gutless, spineless, sackless. "Hey guys, after this punt we''ll gain maybe 20 yards of field position. Great strategy, right? Brady can't possiby engineer a drive from back there can he?". The whole approach to the game was cowardly, try to "ease into it" with predictable running plays instead of attacking NE where they are weaker (pass defense was not nearly good as run defense).

Patriot fans: what's it like to have a capable coach at the helm? I wish I could remember the feeling. Congrats on a great game plan and execution.

Go Falcons; would be nice to see them finally win one.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on January 23, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Tomlin's pretty awful. I liked when they asked him at the half what they needed to do better and his response was that it's only a 1 possession game and they just need to stick with the plan. One possession or not it was pretty obvious how things were going.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 23, 2017, 12:04:15 PM
Tomlin's pretty awful. I liked when they asked him at the half what they needed to do better and his response was that it's only a 1 possession game and they just need to stick with the plan. One possession or not it was pretty obvious how things were going.

 :lol For sure. As soon as I saw they were going to talk to Tomlin I told my wife to prepare for the BS. We were not disappointed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 23, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
Tomlin's pretty awful. I liked when they asked him at the half what they needed to do better and his response was that it's only a 1 possession game and they just need to stick with the plan. One possession or not it was pretty obvious how things were going.

Yes, what a great plan they had going, why not stick with it :omg:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 23, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
I want the Pats to win so I can see Goodell have to be right next to the team handing the Lombardi and the MVP trophies.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on January 23, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
I want the Pats to win so I can see Goodell have to be right next to the team handing the Lombardi and the MVP trophies.
If he shows.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 23, 2017, 01:43:10 PM
Whatever he does, don't hand it to Bob Kraft.  He'll probably drop it.  :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 23, 2017, 01:44:03 PM
 :lol

Could you imagine?! :lol

Whatever he does, don't hand it to Bob Kraft.  He'll probably drop it.  :rollin

Hand it to BB's girlfriend.  Did you see her?!  Hot damn!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 23, 2017, 07:40:13 PM
It's funny. 2 years ago, the NFC South was bashed as being the worst division in football. After sending a division champion with a losing record to the playoffs in 2014, they have sent teams to the next two Super Bowls. Funny how things can change.

On the flip side, the NFC West was absolutely stellar 3-4 years ago, and is now back to being not very good.

As an Atlanta sports fan jaded by years and years of false hopes, I will now finally allow myself to believe that the Falcons are actually good. It will be fascinating to see us square off against the genius of Belichick. Nobody has really been able to stop our offense, but if anyone can come up with a brilliant defensive scheme, it's him.
Oh yeah, and Brady's pretty good too. Although our defense has improved a lot over the season, and I think we are much better on that side of the ball than our overall numbers indicate. Should be a great game!

#RISE UP


Good luck. I hope your team wins.  :tup :tup

Yeah, so that happened.

Tomlin was exposed last night as the clueless cheerleader he is. Obviously no cohesive game plan, no strategy adjustments. Rush 3 and drop the rest into soft zone and hope for some drops was his and the DC's game plan I guess. Inexcusable. Do they not remember the 2011/2012 (forgot) game when they beat NE with tight man-to-man?

As far as offense goes, it was pretty much one-on-eleven. Secondary receivers were straight-up hands-of-stone trash. No running game, didn't matter that Bell was hurt. Haley completely incapable of a game plan that didn't rely on Bell getting 150+ yards.

Finally, I am so SO SICK of the gutless, spineless, sackless conservatism of NFL coaches. McCarthy was at it again, learned NOTHING from last year. Happy to keep punting on 4th and short despite the fact that A) you have Aaron Frickin Rodgers who can pass or scramble for 2 measly yards most of the time, and B) there was no stopping the ATL offense. "field position" doesn't mean JACK SHIT when the opponent is getting 10+ yards per play. Punt the ball to them, and 2 plays later they are back to the yard line you punted from. The worst example: after the 15-yd roughing penalty, GB kicked off from the 50 into the end zone anyway instead of trying an onside kick. If the onside kick fails, you lose maybe 15 yds of field position (the 25 after the touchback vs around the 40 probably). You need to maximize your possessions when you are going against the best (by far) offense in the league. Nope, McCarthy was happy to keep giving the ball back to them. In a do-or-die game, you have FOUR chances to get your 10 yards, not THREE. Incomprehensible concept to ultra-conservative, coach-to-not-be-second-guessed cowardice of most NFL coaches.

Tomlin was at it too: punted from the the NE 39 when already well behind. Gutless, spineless, sackless. "Hey guys, after this punt we''ll gain maybe 20 yards of field position. Great strategy, right? Brady can't possiby engineer a drive from back there can he?". The whole approach to the game was cowardly, try to "ease into it" with predictable running plays instead of attacking NE where they are weaker (pass defense was not nearly good as run defense).



I agree with just about all of this.

Pittsburgh's game plan was staggeringly bad.  Tomlin is not a bad coach by any means, but his inability to adjust in game is glaring.

Regarding gutless coaches, yes!! I cannot remember when it was, but GB punted on a 4th and short when the game was still in reach, and I remember thinking, "go for it!"  It's not like they were stopping Atlanta on defense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on January 24, 2017, 12:40:42 AM
Well, Patriot and Falcon fans....congratulations from a Raven fan.

And, savor this for the next to weeks, and to the victors, go the spoils.  Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_WgGpewMrs
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2017, 06:43:48 AM
I agree with just about all of this.

Pittsburgh's game plan was staggeringly bad.  Tomlin is not a bad coach by any means, but his inability to adjust in game is glaring.

Regarding gutless coaches, yes!! I cannot remember when it was, but GB punted on a 4th and short when the game was still in reach, and I remember thinking, "go for it!"  It's not like they were stopping Atlanta on defense.

What surprised me is the lack of daring.  Tomlin is not the strategist that Belichick and his staff is.  They just play harder and more relentless than the other team.   But part of that is never letting up on the gas, and some of those play calls were, well, too cutesy for someone who's banking on knocking the shit out of his opponent.   I think this loss is going to bug Tomlin badly, because it's hard not to say they were soft, and that's not his brand of football. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:12:33 AM
I would say the lack of adapting.  No adjustments really.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 24, 2017, 07:29:49 AM
I agree with just about all of this.

Pittsburgh's game plan was staggeringly bad.  Tomlin is not a bad coach by any means, but his inability to adjust in game is glaring.

Regarding gutless coaches, yes!! I cannot remember when it was, but GB punted on a 4th and short when the game was still in reach, and I remember thinking, "go for it!"  It's not like they were stopping Atlanta on defense.

What surprised me is the lack of daring.  Tomlin is not the strategist that Belichick and his staff is.  They just play harder and more relentless than the other team.   But part of that is never letting up on the gas, and some of those play calls were, well, too cutesy for someone who's banking on knocking the shit out of his opponent.   I think this loss is going to bug Tomlin badly, because it's hard not to say they were soft, and that's not his brand of football.

It should bug him, it was clearly his worse coaching output in awhile. The funny thing with the Steelers is they did make some very productive in game adjustments throughout the regular season that influenced multiple W v. L results. He's never going to be a brilliant strategist but sheesh....That was horrid! I guess we'll see what he has learned as Steelers v. Pats are on the 2017 schedule.

Well, on with the SB, which is a strange match up. It's going to be interesting to see if the Pats can slow Matty-ice down a bit. They are indoors which makes Atl. very scary.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:47:50 AM
What's this crap that I read on Pro Football Talk that Brown was pouting after the Steelers first TD because he wanted the ball on that play.  I hope that's not true.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 24, 2017, 08:02:06 AM
What's this crap that I read on Pro Football Talk that Brown was pouting after the Steelers first TD because he wanted the ball on that play.  I hope that's not true.

Totally believable, honestly King, the dude is the stereotypical self-centered superstar.

I honestly think if you gave Brown the choice between (1) a game where he has 10 catches for 175 yards and 2 TDs and the team loses OR (2) a game where he has 4 catches for 40 yards and no TDs but the team wins... He'd pick option 1 every time.

I agree with just about all of this.

Pittsburgh's game plan was staggeringly bad.  Tomlin is not a bad coach by any means, but his inability to adjust in game is glaring.

Regarding gutless coaches, yes!! I cannot remember when it was, but GB punted on a 4th and short when the game was still in reach, and I remember thinking, "go for it!"  It's not like they were stopping Atlanta on defense.

What surprised me is the lack of daring.  Tomlin is not the strategist that Belichick and his staff is.  They just play harder and more relentless than the other team.   But part of that is never letting up on the gas, and some of those play calls were, well, too cutesy for someone who's banking on knocking the shit out of his opponent.   I think this loss is going to bug Tomlin badly, because it's hard not to say they were soft, and that's not his brand of football.

It should bug him, it was clearly his worse coaching output in awhile. The funny thing with the Steelers is they did make some very productive in game adjustments throughout the regular season that influenced multiple W v. L results. He's never going to be a brilliant strategist but sheesh....That was horrid! I guess we'll see what he has learned as Steelers v. Pats are on the 2017 schedule.

It SHOULD bug Tomlin, but I really don't think that it actually will.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 08:29:05 AM
That's too bad.  The man is already going to get his money.  It should be about the rings now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 24, 2017, 08:35:38 AM
That's too bad.  The man is already going to get his money.  It should be about the rings now.

Agreed. There are rumors around Pittsburgh that they might not sign him long-term. He is under contract through next season currently.

We've talked about this in this thread before, but it's worth mentioning again, there are certain guys in the NFL that are really talented, but they just aren't winners. So far, in his career that's Brown, he's incredibly skilled, but he's not a winner, not yet at least.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 24, 2017, 08:53:25 AM
What's this crap that I read on Pro Football Talk that Brown was pouting after the Steelers first TD because he wanted the ball on that play.  I hope that's not true.

Totally believable, honestly King, the dude is the stereotypical self-centered superstar.

I honestly think if you gave Brown the choice between (1) a game where he has 10 catches for 175 yards and 2 TDs and the team loses OR (2) a game where he has 4 catches for 40 yards and no TDs but the team wins... He'd pick option 1 every time.

I'm not quite ready to put it as he is out of control...YET. I mean, yes, he has that certain narcissistic attitude that really needs to be controlled before it's to the point of say Deon, or Irvin and T.O. level. Every talented receiver in history wants the ball on every play. Key even wrote a book on it and Bradshaw wanted shoot Swann and Stalls almost every play. With social media the way it is now, it's just easier to "broadcast?" such behavior. Bottom line here is I think this upcoming season will say a lot about where AB's head is because of all the shit that happened this year with celebration penalties, 'instaface'(LOVE THAT BB), and so on. I hope your wrong mikey, but you might not be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 24, 2017, 09:01:31 AM
I'm not quite ready to put it as he is out of control...YET. I mean, yes, he has that certain narcissistic attitude that really needs to be controlled before it's to the point of say Deon, or Irvin and T.O. level. Every talented receiver in history wants the ball on every play. Key even wrote a book on it and Bradshaw wanted shoot Swann and Stalls almost every play. With social media the way it is now, it's just easier to "broadcast?" such behavior. Bottom line here is I think this upcoming season will say a lot about where AB's head is because of all the shit that happened this year with celebration penalties, 'instaface'(LOVE THAT BB), and so on. I hope your wrong mikey, but you might not be.

I get that every talented receiver wants the ball, I really do. The difference comes when a WR is willing and happy to not get the ball if it betters the outcome for the team. Now if it doesn't, then he's got a valid complaint and I can roll with that.

With AB though, I think it's becoming a pile up effect of a lot of different things. Selfish behavior is one of those things, in terms of putting his stat line before the teams win-loss record. But it's more than that. It's the FB live thing, its the custom cleats that almost go him ejected, its the TD celebration penalties he insisted on taking, etc...etc... 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 24, 2017, 09:14:21 AM
I'm not quite ready to put it as he is out of control...YET. I mean, yes, he has that certain narcissistic attitude that really needs to be controlled before it's to the point of say Deon, or Irvin and T.O. level. Every talented receiver in history wants the ball on every play. Key even wrote a book on it and Bradshaw wanted shoot Swann and Stalls almost every play. With social media the way it is now, it's just easier to "broadcast?" such behavior. Bottom line here is I think this upcoming season will say a lot about where AB's head is because of all the shit that happened this year with celebration penalties, 'instaface'(LOVE THAT BB), and so on. I hope your wrong mikey, but you might not be.

I get that every talented receiver wants the ball, I really do. The difference comes when a WR is willing and happy to not get the ball if it betters the outcome for the team. Now if it doesn't, then he's got a valid complaint and I can roll with that.

With AB though, I think it's becoming a pile up effect of a lot of different things. Selfish behavior is one of those things, in terms of putting his stat line before the teams win-loss record. But it's more than that. It's the FB live thing, its the custom cleats that almost go him ejected, its the TD celebration penalties he insisted on taking, etc...etc...

Yes, I see all of your points, and agree, maybe I'm just hoping.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 24, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
Yes, I see all of your points, and agree, maybe I'm just hoping.

I'm with you, I hope they can work it out. AB is super talented and I'd love to see him play for the Steelers for the remainder of Ben's career. I just don't know if it is going to work out.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2017, 09:56:56 AM
Here's the thing, though:  the idea that "the best players want the ball" isn't "want the ball every play".  That's narcissism.  WINNERS "want the ball" meaning "aren't afraid or apprehensive to have the ball when it matters most".   That's the difference.   

Julian Edelman or Gronk "want the ball" meaning, when it's 4th and 23 with 0:23 second left on the clock, they're mentally ready to make the big play.   If the ball goes to Gronk and Pats win, Edelman is going to be as happy as if he was the guy spiking the ball in the endzone, I guarantee you.

(That's in part why Welker - on paper the ideal Belichick player - was allowed to leave.)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 24, 2017, 10:29:54 AM
Here's the thing, though:  the idea that "the best players want the ball" isn't "want the ball every play".  That's narcissism.  WINNERS "want the ball" meaning "aren't afraid or apprehensive to have the ball when it matters most".   That's the difference.   

Julian Edelman or Gronk "want the ball" meaning, when it's 4th and 23 with 0:23 second left on the clock, they're mentally ready to make the big play.   If the ball goes to Gronk and Pats win, Edelman is going to be as happy as if he was the guy spiking the ball in the endzone, I guarantee you.

(That's in part why Welker - on paper the ideal Belichick player - was allowed to leave.)

Totally agreed, good post.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 24, 2017, 11:21:22 AM
Here's the thing, though:  the idea that "the best players want the ball" isn't "want the ball every play".  That's narcissism.  WINNERS "want the ball" meaning "aren't afraid or apprehensive to have the ball when it matters most".   That's the difference.   

Julian Edelman or Gronk "want the ball" meaning, when it's 4th and 23 with 0:23 second left on the clock, they're mentally ready to make the big play.   If the ball goes to Gronk and Pats win, Edelman is going to be as happy as if he was the guy spiking the ball in the endzone, I guarantee you.

(That's in part why Welker - on paper the ideal Belichick player - was allowed to leave.)

Yup, that's why I stated in my post that AB's narcissism needs to be dealt with sooner, rather than later, because he's young enough to  possibly channel that into a more team first attitude, or maybe not. As I said, I'm just hoping because he can run a serious rout and can catch and I have no confidence in any other receiver on that team, including Martavis Bryant, who is quick, but those hands???? I'm not sold on yet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2017, 01:35:00 PM
Some of it is coaching. Tomlin has to sit Brown down and lock that shit up.   You want to be a team player or not?   And if "not", let him go, and get the word out.   I don't think it's a miracle that Belichick gets guys like LeGarrett Blount to tone down the 'tude, and now that guy is playing like one of the three best backs in the league.   Moss too (though it didn't last).  And you'll note that these guys aren't leaving NE and going other places. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2017, 01:59:20 PM
Well, he should have sat him down for the beginning of the Pats game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 24, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
Some of it is coaching. Tomlin has to sit Brown down and lock that shit up.   You want to be a team player or not?   And if "not", let him go, and get the word out.   I don't think it's a miracle that Belichick gets guys like LeGarrett Blount to tone down the 'tude, and now that guy is playing like one of the three best backs in the league.   Moss too (though it didn't last).  And you'll note that these guys aren't leaving NE and going other places.

A lot of it is certainly coaching. It's the workplace environment, Tomlin creates a certain environment in that workplace where AB felt like he could get away with all the crap he pulls. So he continues to pull it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2017, 05:41:17 PM
Colin Cowherd had has the same take on Tomlin for a while, one I agree with: the Steelers are't buttoned up.

Remember the assistant coaches going on to the field last year in the playoff game against the Bengals and getting into it with players?

Remember Antonio Brown's stunt last week in the locker room?

Remember Tomlin trying to trip a Raven on a punt return a few years ago?

Those are things you see out of a team that doesn't stress discipline.  They aren't buttoned up.

It's no wonder that the Patriots destroy the Steelers nearly every time they play.  The Patriots stress discipline and details like no other team I've ever seen.  The Steelers are the perfect matchup for them in that regard.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 06:25:15 PM
Remember the assistant coaches going on to the field last year in the playoff game against the Bengals and getting into it with players?

You may want to go back and investigate what really happened in that situation before you bring it up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 06:27:17 PM
So Joey Porter is innocent?  Lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2017, 06:34:00 PM
I don't need to investigate it; I watched it live.

What other teams have had assistant coaches on the field getting into it with players on the other team? 

I'll hang up and listen, PowerSlave.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 06:36:38 PM
So Joey Porter is innocent?  Lol

In that particular situation? For the most part, yes. He shouldn't have been on the field, but that's a rule that about every team from time to time has ignored. Watch enough football games and you'll see assistant coaches on the field during time-outs.

Burfict admitted in an interview that Joey complimented him rather than attacked him. However, his dumbass team-mate seen Joey say something to him and decided to attack without knowing what was said.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 06:50:41 PM
"We all know Joey Porter. Joey Porter, all he does is talk. But, it was nothing going on between me and him. But, Adam obviously got a little bit fed up, like, why are you on the field right now talking smack to my teammates. Adam didn't know that he was actually giving me some good words of wisdom. When Joey Porter came on, he was like, man, I actually really respect your game. And at that point, I didn't want to hear that."

Anderson the interjects in the interview by saying, ""He said that to you? So he [Jones] made a mistake."

"He made a mistake," Burfict said, "but Joey shouldn't have been on the field talking. Adam got my back, 100, 110%, I respect him, because I told him, 'man, he wasn't saying nothing bad like that', one of the refs was looking at Adam and right when Adam like kind of pushed Joey Porter, he was like, 'oh, this is it, he just threw it,'. So I'm like, man, I kind of feel like we were cheated a little bit."

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2016/3/4/11158886/bengals-lb-vontaze-burfict-tells-what-steelers-coach-joey-porter-was

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 06:53:41 PM
No coach should antagonize the situation.  He's there to defuse the situation which Porter didn't.   That's a coach does.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 06:56:44 PM
No coach should antagonize the situation.  He's there to defuse the situation which Porter didn't.   That's a coach does.

Other than being on the field at a time when he shouldn't have been, what exactly would you say that he did to antagonize the situation?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2017, 06:57:41 PM
Still no answer to the question:

What other teams have had assistant coaches on the field getting into it with players on the other team? 

And that doesn't address the other incidents.

What A. Brown did last week just shows how little respect he has for his coach, and I guarantee that if their best player doesn't respect Tomlin, he is not alone.  And when I say "doesn't respect,", I don't mean "not like."  He doesn't respect his authority as the coach, and that is the issue.  Tomlin is like the parent who wants to his kid's friend AND parent, and those are usually the kids with the least amount of discipline. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:05:57 PM
And Joey didn't have words?  Joey is a ticking time bomb.  If a coaches on the Pats did that I'd have issues with him. Coaches are there to diffuse the situation. Not exacerbate the situation with Joey did.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 07:07:37 PM
Still no answer to the question:

What other teams have had assistant coaches on the field getting into it with players on the other team? 

And that doesn't address the other incidents.

What A. Brown did last week just shows how little respect he has for his coach, and I guarantee that if their best player doesn't respect Tomlin, he is not alone.  And when I say "doesn't respect,", I don't mean "not like."  He doesn't respect his authority as the coach, and that is the issue.  Tomlin is like the parent who wants to his kid's friend AND parent, and those are usually the kids with the least amount of discipline.

I never said that there were other coaches getting into it with players on the other team. If I had claimed that there were then it would be a valid question. What I did say is that your perception of the situation is wrong, and I stand by that.

I also never claimed that your other points were wrong. You're just trying to score internet forum points because you hate my team and think I'm an asshole. That's ok. I don't really mind, or take offense. The fact remains that you brought up the Porter incident for the wrong reason and won't admit when you're wrong.

In fact, you're trying to use the AB situation to bolster your point against me. The problem is, if you scroll back a few pages then you'll see that I said the exact same thing.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
And Joey didn't have words?  Joey is a ticking time bomb.  If a coaches on the Pats did that I'd have issues with him. Coaches are there to diffuse the situation. Not exacerbate the situation with Joey did.

Yes, he had words. Kind words that I quoted and are covered in the article that I posted.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:12:49 PM
I know Joey Porter. I've seen the video.   He antagonized the situation. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 07:20:15 PM
I know Joey Porter. I've seen the video.   He antagonized the situation.

So, the fact that one of the players involved says the exact opposite means nothing? A player for the opposition that has nothing to gain by defending him, by the way?

I never claimed that Joey Porter is a saint. In fact, he has almost always been one of those players/coaches that has had some issues around him. However, this one situation most fans have many of the facts backwards.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
Joey has a history.   One player from one story doesn't change anything.


Like I said, it a Pats coaching did this is would be appalled.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 07:32:11 PM
Joey has a history.   One player from one story doesn't change anything.

And once again, I never claimed otherwise. I'm speaking of a single situation that I didn't even bring up in the first place. The claim about the situation that I'm commenting on was baseless and completely wrong as proven by the evidence that I've provided.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:38:04 PM
I think Vontaze is a jackass and guilty on many things but it is against the rules and Porter was fined.  That is an indictment in itself.   

Joey broke the rules for assistant coaches.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 07:49:07 PM
I think Vontaze is a jackass and guilty on many things but it is against the rules and Porter was fined.  That is an indictment in itself.   

Joey broke the rules for assistant coaches.

I agree. He shouldn't have been on the field. I never said otherwise. In fact, I brought that up from the beginning. I'm disputing the fact that people are claiming that he started a fight.

Now speaking about Pacman Jones: If he can't deal with the fact that a coach is standing on the field, and feels like he needs to make physical contact with him then that's his (and his team's) problem. If he didn't think that JP should have been on the field (rightly so), then he should have brought it to the attention of the refs. He didn't handle it correctly and he decided to start a physical altercation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
He didn't start it, he exacerbated the situation.  That's not what a coach should do.  A couch diffuses a situation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2017, 08:34:30 PM


I also never claimed that your other points were wrong. You're just trying to score internet forum points because you hate my team and think I'm an asshole. 

You, sir, need to get a grip, since I never called you an asshole, nor would I.  Good grief.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 24, 2017, 09:12:45 PM


I also never claimed that your other points were wrong. You're just trying to score internet forum points because you hate my team and think I'm an asshole. 

You, sir, need to get a grip, since I never called you an asshole, nor would I.  Good grief.

Actually, I'm quite amused by the whole thing. Like I said in the part that you chose to leave out of the quote, I'm not offended. I'm simply basing that statement off of the majority of our interactions. Some have been cordial, but most seem to be combative. If I'm wrong then I apologize.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2017, 09:16:53 PM
I never think someone is an asshole just because I disagree with them, especially about sports. I get how sports fans can be myopic when it comes to their own team (as I think you are here, and I know I can be as well sometimes).  I always say, I love a good, friendly sports argument.  That doesn't always come across on the 'net, but I just like talking sports.  :coolio
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2017, 06:59:49 AM
I know Joey Porter. I've seen the video.   He antagonized the situation.

So, the fact that one of the players involved says the exact opposite means nothing? A player for the opposition that has nothing to gain by defending him, by the way?

I never claimed that Joey Porter is a saint. In fact, he has almost always been one of those players/coaches that has had some issues around him. However, this one situation most fans have many of the facts backwards.

Am I the only one that thinks it doesn't matter WHAT Porter said (Jones admitted he didn't know what was said anyway, so it was irrelevant to HIM) but the fact he was there and not acting like a COACH but rather like the PLAYER he was - part of the Stillers "gang" - is the problem.

You either have rules or you don't, you either enforce those rules or you don't.   It's that simple.

Oh, and for the people that AREN'T sick of the Pats being the exemplar, there was a quote - I think Nance said it - during the Steelers game, where Brady was asked, "how do you and Belichick still get along after 17 years together, and no bickering?"  And Brady said, "It's simple really; once you realize and ACCEPT that one of us is the COACH and one of us is the PLAYER, all the disagreements seem to resolve themselves."    Belichick and Brady are not drinking buddies, or frat brothers.  They are COACH and PLAYER.   I don't get that from Tomlin.

Having said that, there have been some quotes from Tomlin and the Steelers that to me indicate that they may be entertaining offers for Brown in advance of his contract expiring. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 25, 2017, 07:01:18 AM
As a life-long Steeler fan I can confidently say that Joey Porter should not be a coach of any sort on this team.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 25, 2017, 07:11:00 AM
I agree with Kev and Cowherd's assessment. The Steelers aren't buttoned up. They are talented enough to beat many teams in this league. But New England seems to always know what to do with these sort of teams.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 25, 2017, 07:14:10 AM
The kind of stories we get this week.  Falcons elect to wear their home uniforms.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-super-bowl-uniforms-patriots-get-lucky-white-jerseys-after-falcons-go-red/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 25, 2017, 07:16:36 AM
I agree with Kev and Cowherd's assessment. The Steelers aren't buttoned up. They are talented enough to beat many teams in this league. But New England seems to always know what to do with these sort of teams.

For sure, also Ben is apparently evaluating whether or not he wants to continue playing based on quotes from yesterday. I think he will be back, too much money on the table, he's not going to walk away from all of that.

The interesting thing is that Ben, about half way through this season, reportedly had a conversation with Tomlin where he basically shared concerns that some of the younger guys on the team lacked focus and he was worried their heads weren't in the right place. Tomlin of course did nothing. Fast forward to after they lose Sunday and Ben says something along the lines of "the game was over the heads of some of the younger guys". And now yesterday he is not even willing to commit 100% to even playing next year...

So yeah, I'd say the Steelers (even after finishing in the top 4) certainly have some problems.... :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 25, 2017, 08:07:12 AM
I know Joey Porter. I've seen the video.   He antagonized the situation.

So, the fact that one of the players involved says the exact opposite means nothing? A player for the opposition that has nothing to gain by defending him, by the way?

I never claimed that Joey Porter is a saint. In fact, he has almost always been one of those players/coaches that has had some issues around him. However, this one situation most fans have many of the facts backwards.

Am I the only one that thinks it doesn't matter WHAT Porter said (Jones admitted he didn't know what was said anyway, so it was irrelevant to HIM) but the fact he was there and not acting like a COACH but rather like the PLAYER he was - part of the Stillers "gang" - is the problem.

You either have rules or you don't, you either enforce those rules or you don't.   It's that simple.


This is purely speculation on my part, so take it with a grain of salt. Jones can truthfully admit that he didn't know what was being said. However, I think that he assumed that JP was trying to start a fight. The reason that I say this is the quote from Burfict that I posted previously. He admitted in the interview that Jones got it wrong.

To summarize, what Jones "thought" that JP was saying was very relevant. Otherwise, he doesn't react the way that he does.

As far as JP acting like he was a part of the "Stillers gang", that's all a matter of opinion. What exactly is a gang in this instance? He's in the immediate vicinity of 3 trainers/doctors and a player being escorted off of the field after being injured. The rest of the players in the area are all Bengals players. There are no other Steelers in the area until DeCastro and Villanueva come into the picture to pull him out after the situation went down. None of them make aggressive moves towards any of the Bengals players. In fact, JP keeps his arms down to his sides throughout the entire confrontation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysECduSPfk

The video is only a few minutes long.

On a side note, there's a ton of things to go after Joey about. It's low hanging fruit. He's not a model citizen, and I'll never claim that he is when he steps out of line. And I completely agree that he shouldn't have been on the field to begin with. However, I will always maintain that his role in this particular incident has always been mischaracterized by a vast majority of the public, and I think that watching the video with a dispassionate eye would back up my claim.

There's a sentiment that the Bengals got screwed over in this situation by many people. All they had to do was exercise a little bit of personal responsibility/self control, and they would have come out much better in the situation. They screwed themselves whether JP antagonized them or not, and hardly anyone wants to admit that.

As a life-long Steeler fan I can confidently say that Joey Porter should not be a coach of any sort on this team.

You'll not get any argument from me. There needs to be a shake-up, or serious threats of job loss to the entire staff. It seems odd to say that about a team that just made it to their conference championship game, but opportunities are being squandered. If I were the ownership, I wouldn't immediately get rid of Tomlin, but I would put it in plain terms that certain things need to get cleaned up right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2017, 10:32:07 AM
I agree with Kev and Cowherd's assessment. The Steelers aren't buttoned up. They are talented enough to beat many teams in this league. But New England seems to always know what to do with these sort of teams.

For sure, also Ben is apparently evaluating whether or not he wants to continue playing based on quotes from yesterday. I think he will be back, too much money on the table, he's not going to walk away from all of that.

The interesting thing is that Ben, about half way through this season, reportedly had a conversation with Tomlin where he basically shared concerns that some of the younger guys on the team lacked focus and he was worried their heads weren't in the right place. Tomlin of course did nothing. Fast forward to after they lose Sunday and Ben says something along the lines of "the game was over the heads of some of the younger guys". And now yesterday he is not even willing to commit 100% to even playing next year...

So yeah, I'd say the Steelers (even after finishing in the top 4) certainly have some problems.... :lol

Why would Ben come back, giving his customary 175%, and risk life-long injury while half the team around him is phoning it in and worrying about their "numbers".  Ben has NEVER been a "numbers" guy (even though his are pretty good) and all about the "W's".   Why not go to a team like the Dolphins, who are good, and ready to win but just don't have a guy under center that knows how to win? 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 25, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
Why would Ben come back, giving his customary 175%, and risk life-long injury while half the team around him is phoning it in and worrying about their "numbers".  Ben has NEVER been a "numbers" guy (even though his are pretty good) and all about the "W's".   Why not go to a team like the Dolphins, who are good, and ready to win but just don't have a guy under center that knows how to win?

I was with you till the Dolphins thing. If Ben doesn't come back, he's not going to play somewhere else, he'll retire.

I'm with you on the first part of your post though. I think Ben, very much like Troy Polamalu before him, has grown tired of the culture that is allowed to take place in that locker room.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Shooters1221 on January 25, 2017, 12:13:48 PM
Why would Ben come back, giving his customary 175%, and risk life-long injury while half the team around him is phoning it in and worrying about their "numbers".  Ben has NEVER been a "numbers" guy (even though his are pretty good) and all about the "W's".   Why not go to a team like the Dolphins, who are good, and ready to win but just don't have a guy under center that knows how to win?

I was with you till the Dolphins thing. If Ben doesn't come back, he's not going to play somewhere else, he'll retire.

I'm with you on the first part of your post though. I think Ben, very much like Troy Polamalu before him, has grown tired of the culture that is allowed to take place in that locker room.

I believe Ben would have to pay something like $18.6 million to the Steelers if he retires from the signing bonus of his latest contract. I think I read that somewhere.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2017, 12:21:37 PM
Ben isn't going anywhere IMO
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 25, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
Ben isn't going anywhere IMO

I don't think he is either. I think he's trying to send a message.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 25, 2017, 12:51:23 PM
 :lol :rollin :lol


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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
Why would Ben come back, giving his customary 175%, and risk life-long injury while half the team around him is phoning it in and worrying about their "numbers".  Ben has NEVER been a "numbers" guy (even though his are pretty good) and all about the "W's".   Why not go to a team like the Dolphins, who are good, and ready to win but just don't have a guy under center that knows how to win?

I was with you till the Dolphins thing. If Ben doesn't come back, he's not going to play somewhere else, he'll retire.

I'm with you on the first part of your post though. I think Ben, very much like Troy Polamalu before him, has grown tired of the culture that is allowed to take place in that locker room.

No, no, that's fair.  I'm not sold on the "Dolphins" thing (or any other team for that matter).  I just meant, he's not going to keep having his spleen handed to him through his face mask while the rest of the team makes sure their nails are still good and they look good on Snapface. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 25, 2017, 09:21:41 PM
Ben isn't going anywhere IMO

I don't think he is either. I think he's trying to send a message.

I think that is partly true. I think a part of him is trying to send a message, while another part of him is thinking of not playing anymore for a variety of reasons (he is getting older and his body might be getting tired of nagging injuries, of which he gets many).  I don't think he will retire, but if I woke up tomorrow and saw a newsflash that he was, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 26, 2017, 06:49:13 AM
No, no, that's fair.  I'm not sold on the "Dolphins" thing (or any other team for that matter).  I just meant, he's not going to keep having his spleen handed to him through his face mask while the rest of the team makes sure their nails are still good and they look good on Snapface.

 :lol Well said Stadler

I think that is partly true. I think a part of him is trying to send a message, while another part of him is thinking of not playing anymore for a variety of reasons (he is getting older and his body might be getting tired of nagging injuries, of which he gets many).  I don't think he will retire, but if I woke up tomorrow and saw a newsflash that he was, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I agree with your general statement, but I would be surprised if he retired tomorrow. But I agree all the reasons (and more) that you listed are definitely causing him to pause and evaluate.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on January 26, 2017, 11:46:44 AM
Funny to see people arguing about an assistant coach's conduct in a matchup between perhaps the two most stupidly coached teams to ever meet up in a playoff game. Highlight for me was when Marvin said of Burfict "what do you want me to do about it. He's on the field. I'm on the sideline." Contract extension!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 26, 2017, 12:30:14 PM
Funny to see people arguing about an assistant coach's conduct in a matchup between perhaps the two most stupidly coached teams to ever meet up in a playoff game. Highlight for me was when Marvin said of Burfict "what do you want me to do about it. He's on the field. I'm on the sideline." Contract extension!!!

Meh...keep in mind that:

1. The Jets have been in the playoffs in somewhat recent memory.

2. Jeff Fisher has had playoff teams.

The Bengals and Steelers are nowhere close to that level of incompetence.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on January 26, 2017, 12:39:18 PM
If Fisher and Ryan have met in the playoffs I'll consider reevaluating my statement, but that's about the level of incompetence required.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 26, 2017, 12:44:48 PM
If Fisher and Ryan have met in the playoffs I'll consider reevaluating my statement, but that's about the level of incompetence required.

When Rex was an assistant, maybe. I'd have to do some digging around.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 26, 2017, 05:40:26 PM
If Fisher and Ryan have met in the playoffs I'll consider reevaluating my statement, but that's about the level of incompetence required.

When Rex was an assistant, maybe. I'd have to do some digging around.

The Ravens played the Titans in 2000 when Rex was Baltimore's defensive line coach and again in 2008 when he was their defensive coordinator.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 27, 2017, 04:46:59 AM
If Fisher and Ryan have met in the playoffs I'll consider reevaluating my statement, but that's about the level of incompetence required.

When Rex was an assistant, maybe. I'd have to do some digging around.

The Ravens played the Titans in 2000 when Rex was Baltimore's defensive line coach and again in 2008 when he was their defensive coordinator.

And I was quite pleased with the result of each game (the 2000 matchup was essentially the Super Bowl).


And I agree... I have never seen the level of combined incompetence in a single playoff game than last year's Pittsburgh/Cincy tilt. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 27, 2017, 06:59:20 AM
Cincy self imploded and look at how Pacman handled himself with the police in that video recently.  He even denied he did no wrong before the video came out. 

On the field and off, they can't control themselves.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 27, 2017, 07:06:47 AM
That Cincy/Pitt game from last season is one I will remember for a long time.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 27, 2017, 07:14:03 AM
That Cincy/Pitt game from last season is one I will remember for a long time.  :lol

All they needed was skates and a penalty box. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 27, 2017, 07:20:50 AM
All they needed was skates and a penalty box. :lol

Hah, pretty much. I remember being entertained and ashamed at the same time  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: dparrott on January 27, 2017, 08:42:54 AM
Love the pro bowl uniforms this year!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 29, 2017, 08:02:14 PM
Yeah, pretty cool!  :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: pogoowner on January 29, 2017, 08:16:34 PM
Niners just hired John Lynch, a man with no front office or scouting experience, to work as GM with Kyle Shanahan, a man with no head coaching experience. Hoo boy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 30, 2017, 07:15:42 AM
Niners just hired John Lynch, a man with no front office or scouting experience, to work as GM with Kyle Shanahan, a man with no head coaching experience. Hoo boy.
Success is sure.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2017, 09:57:17 AM
Niners just hired John Lynch, a man with no front office or scouting experience, to work as GM with Kyle Shanahan, a man with no head coaching experience. Hoo boy.
Success is sure.
Why sound so cynical?  It hasn't been a problem for the White House?

Oh...
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on January 30, 2017, 11:42:44 AM
In a season littered with low-scoring games (6-6 tie after 75 minutes, anyone?), it feels appropriate that the Pro Bowl was low-scoring. Let's hope the Super Bowl (featuring a team with six 40pt+ games this season) can buck that trend.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 30, 2017, 12:45:34 PM
In a season littered with low-scoring games (6-6 tie after 75 minutes, anyone?), it feels appropriate that the Pro Bowl was low-scoring. Let's hope the Super Bowl (featuring a team with six 40pt+ games this season) can buck that trend.

I somewhat disagree with this. High scores don't always equal good football. Sure, everyone wants to see more than a 6-6 tie, but when points are harder to come by then it makes the points that do get scored more important. That sentence runs the risk of sounding silly, but hopefully my point comes across.

To put it another way, a 24-20 score is more exciting to me than a 50-48 score. The 24-20 score means that the points that were scored were much harder fought for and earned.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
In a season littered with low-scoring games (6-6 tie after 75 minutes, anyone?), it feels appropriate that the Pro Bowl was low-scoring. Let's hope the Super Bowl (featuring a team with six 40pt+ games this season) can buck that trend.

I somewhat disagree with this. High scores don't always equal good football. Sure, everyone wants to see more than a 6-6 tie, but when points are harder to come by then it makes the points that do get scored more important. That sentence runs the risk of sounding silly, but hopefully my point comes across.

To put it another way, a 24-20 score is more exciting to me than a 50-48 score. The 24-20 score means that the points that were scored were much harder fought for and earned.

Agreed.  I prefer those 17-14 type of games than the 52-49 whoever has the ball last will win games.  Shoot outs are fun to watch and all, but I like an even good defensive match up where one play could change the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 30, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
I think we are talking high 20's low 30's down to the wire last to have the ball type of game.


Hell, would the Pats have it any other way in Superbowls?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 30, 2017, 07:03:41 PM
I think we are talking high 20's low 30's down to the wire last to have the ball type of game.


Hell, would the Pats have it any other way in Superbowls?

That's something that I've got to hand to the Pats. The superbowls in the BB era have all been close and interesting games. Lots of memorable moments in all of those games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on January 31, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
No one ever remembers highly defensive games in any sport, and if they are remembered, it's for how dull they are. Goals, scores, points bring about the biggest cheers, the euphoria, what makes it the best thing ever to be a sports fan.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
No one ever remembers highly defensive games in any sport, and if they are remembered, it's for how dull they are. Goals, scores, points bring about the biggest cheers, the euphoria, what makes it the best thing ever to be a sports fan.

Not true at all.   I will never forget Penn State's loss to Iowa 6-4.  Not because it was a defensive showdown, but because it was the worst game I have ever witnessed in person  :lol

But in reality, I still disagree.  People definitely remember this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLII)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 11:29:48 AM
Yeah, I don't want to remember that. ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on January 31, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
No one ever remembers highly defensive games in any sport, and if they are remembered, it's for how dull they are. Goals, scores, points bring about the biggest cheers, the euphoria, what makes it the best thing ever to be a sports fan.

If I remember right you're from England(sorry if I got that wrong), so I don't know how much (if at all) you follow American Baseball. Some of the greatest games in that sport are low scoring games where the pitcher shuts out/dominates the opposing team. I'm a Chicago Cubs fan and one of the most memorable games for me was in 1998. We had a rookie pitcher named Kerry Wood that had one of the most amazing performances in the team's history. The opposing team's pitcher also had an amazing day. Fans of the team still talk about that single game to this day as one of the greatest games they've ever seen. The final score was 2-0 and KW struck out 20 batters that day.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dream Team on January 31, 2017, 02:31:48 PM
Backpackgate!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 02:51:35 PM
Dummycoorinatorgate!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on January 31, 2017, 03:12:44 PM
LOL. If Matt Ryan gets busted after drunkenly crashing his car in the company of two hookers with a briefcase full of blow, it'll definitely be The Patriots who are responsible.

And almost all of the Patriots superbowls have been memorable. Two last second field goals, including the upset against STL. Losing twice after circus catches. The interception on second and goal. All good games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 03:37:35 PM
A story came out that Brady's mom has been ill for a year and 1/2 and she's just feeling better recently and will attend her first game this year.

So people are speculating that he got choked up when asked about his hero when he said his dad because of the strife the family has been going through.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 31, 2017, 06:10:46 PM
I think nearly every story this week is about New England.  Who are they playing??  I forgot.  Oh yeah, that Falcons team that is apparently an afterthought.

Reminds me of last year when it was all about the Panthers for two weeks, and then the Broncos punched them in the mouth and won the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 06:28:37 PM
I can't tell from N.E. but is that's what's going on out their Kev? 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on January 31, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
their Kev?

He's our Kev!

Falcons not getting respect around here. Everyone I've talked to thinks the Pats are going to roll them. I completely disagree. The Falcons are dangerous.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 06:39:11 PM
There jerky.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 31, 2017, 07:43:34 PM
I think NE will win, but it's a shame how little respect the Falcons are getting. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 07:50:12 PM
I think so too but it's one game.  If they can get a fewe turnovers.......


I still think it's a close game in the high 20's to the low 30's.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Rattlehead on January 31, 2017, 08:18:02 PM
I have a gut feeling that Atlanta is going to win this game... go Falcons  :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on January 31, 2017, 08:32:17 PM
I know Goodell is the puppet but I want the other 31 owners to see him hand the 5th Lombardi Trophy to the Pats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Cool Chris on January 31, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
Everything I've heard has been fairly balanced between ATL and NE. Of course NE has the more compelling story lines, but I haven't felt ATL has been neglected or written off.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on January 31, 2017, 09:20:09 PM
I know Goodell is the puppet but I want the other 31 owners to see him hand the 5th Lombardi Trophy to the Pats.

I don't think it will be the big thing some think it will, should it come to that.  He will hand it to Kraft, put on a fake smile for two seconds, and duck out of the way.  No big deal at all. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 01, 2017, 04:08:09 AM
Of corse Goodell will be his same old drone he always is.  It's tge,behind the scenes where it hurts the other jealous owners.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: contest_sanity on February 02, 2017, 08:16:41 AM
theringer.com (grantland 2.0) has had pretty balanced coverage/articles on both teams... only one writer actually picked the Falcons though.

I of course hope my Falcons can pull it out, but I have no idea what will happen. I see a lot of people picking NE with scores of like 30-24. I will be surprised if we are held under 30 points. Not that it can't happen, of course (look at Denver/Seattle or Denver/Carolina), but I think a lot of people are underrating the difficulty of our schedule this year and NE's relatively easy one. That being said, if our front 4 can't get good pressure on Brady (and I'm not certain they can), it's gonna be a long day for our defense.

https://theringer.com/nfl/home

#RISEUP  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on February 02, 2017, 08:32:14 AM
I'm picking Atlanta.  I'll say 34-20.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 02, 2017, 08:44:35 AM
Atlanta 27-24
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 02, 2017, 08:45:21 AM
24 - 17 Pats
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 02, 2017, 08:50:37 AM
Atlanta 33-28
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on February 02, 2017, 09:45:05 AM
OK...overly defensive low-scoring games are never positively remembered, looked back fondly upon.

I'm hoping both teams score at least 25 points, if not more. I want Atlanta to win, but NE are probably going to edge it. 38-35.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 02, 2017, 10:53:12 AM
Pats - 34
Falcons - 31
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: kaos2900 on February 02, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
I'll be happy for either team for various reasons. Rarely do the patriots get blown out so barring any injury I think they pull it out 35-24.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2017, 10:57:21 AM
31-24 Pats

I think Atlanta keeps it close, but the Pats have a lead throughout the game and Atlanta is always playing catch up but can never get there.  I really don't see Atlanta winning and my gut wants me to say the Pats win by even more, but the Pats don't dominate in superbowls and the spread is 3 so I'm not going for a big win prediction.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dream Team on February 02, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Atl 34-30
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on February 02, 2017, 11:35:44 AM
31-24 Pats

I think Atlanta keeps it close, but the Pats have a lead throughout the game and Atlanta is always playing catch up but can never get there.  I really don't see Atlanta winning and my gut wants me to say the Pats win by even more, but the Pats don't dominate in superbowls and the spread is 3 so I'm not going for a big win prediction.
See, I think just the opposite.  With Atlanta's explosive offense, I think they jump out to an early lead, and the Pats end up in catch-up mode, which then causes mistakes that Atlanta's D feasts upon.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
If I'm Belichick, I'm harping all week long on NOT GETTING BEHIND.   Few teams can play catch-up against the Falcons, and if you can't stop them 5:00 into the first quarter, what makes you think you can stop them with 5:00 left in the game and the Super Bowl on the line. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on February 02, 2017, 11:52:35 AM
Of course he will harp on that.  But whether they can actually stop it from happening is a different matter altogether.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Podaar on February 02, 2017, 11:58:32 AM
See, I think just the opposite.  With Atlanta's explosive offense, I think they jump out to an early lead, and the Pats end up in catch-up mode, which then causes mistakes that Atlanta's D feasts upon.

I'm guessing this is how the game turns out. Dammit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on February 02, 2017, 12:51:12 PM
I'm going with the Patriots simply because I'm expecting a close game, which is the norm for NE in superbowls. In a close game I'll always take NE. So would most anybody else.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
31-24 Pats

I think Atlanta keeps it close, but the Pats have a lead throughout the game and Atlanta is always playing catch up but can never get there.  I really don't see Atlanta winning and my gut wants me to say the Pats win by even more, but the Pats don't dominate in superbowls and the spread is 3 so I'm not going for a big win prediction.
See, I think just the opposite.  With Atlanta's explosive offense, I think they jump out to an early lead, and the Pats end up in catch-up mode, which then causes mistakes that Atlanta's D feasts upon.

I just think it's more likely Belichick outcoaches and gets the early lead although the Falcons have been great at scoring on first possession so I can easily see it going the other way as well.  I am just not going against the Pats essentially.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 02, 2017, 09:11:33 PM
I think NE will win, but it's a shame how little respect the Falcons are getting.

I think ATL is a dangerous team and could very well win.  NE better bring their A game and they most likely will, but even then, ATL could still win.  They're that good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 03, 2017, 01:18:33 AM
Usually not a huge football fan (more of a casual observer), but my mom is a huge Falcons fan who is of course super happy with them making it this far. So I'm gonna be super into this one for my mom. :D
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 03, 2017, 07:00:52 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.

Because 95% want the Pats to lose so they are voting with their heart.  It will be a close game that can go both ways.  Whatever D can make more stops or turnovers will win.  Both teams will score.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: kaos2900 on February 03, 2017, 07:16:02 AM
I have a feeling that Atlanta is going to have a great drive on their first possession only to end with an INT near the goal line.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 03, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.

Because 95% want the Pats to lose so they are voting with their heart.  It will be a close game that can go both ways.  Whatever D can make more stops or turnovers will win.  Both teams will score.

I hear ya, you know I'm a Steeler fan, so clearly I'd like to see the Pats lose, but at the end of the day either team winning won't bother me. I'm just looking at it as clearly as I can, and I agree with you, basically whatever D can slow the other team down will probably win.

More specifically, the thing that I think will screw Atlanta up is their zone coverage. After watching Brady pick apart the Steelers zone coverage, which had been playing really well the entire second half, I don't see Atlanta's D stopping Tom with any consistency. On the flip side, I can definitely see the Pats D stopping Matty Ice with some big splash plays.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on February 03, 2017, 08:20:31 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.

Because 95% want the Pats to lose so they are voting with their heart.  It will be a close game that can go both ways.  Whatever D can make more stops or turnovers will win.  Both teams will score.

Well, I want NE to win.  But my head tells me the Falcons have their number.  I think it is going to take a better defense than the Pats have to stop the Falcons offense.  And once they fall behind and are forced to play catchup and to press more and more as the game wears on, I think the Pats offense starts making mistakes.  That's what I see happening.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Podaar on February 03, 2017, 08:32:30 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.

Because 95% want the Pats to lose so they are voting with their heart.  It will be a close game that can go both ways.  Whatever D can make more stops or turnovers will win.  Both teams will score.

Well, I want NE to win.  But my head tells me the Falcons have their number.  I think it is going to take a better defense than the Pats have to stop the Falcons offense.  And once they fall behind and are forced to play catchup and to press more and more as the game wears on, I think the Pats offense starts making mistakes.  That's what I see happening.


This. I'll be pulling for the Pats big time, but Atlanta's offence is pretty impressive (scary). I think the first couple of defensive stands by the Patriots may be crucial. Three and outs, bend but don't break, and then I'll be less nervous.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 03, 2017, 08:37:31 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.

I'd be willing to bet that there are way more ATL fans this weekend than NE fans.  A lot of people are sick of the Pats including myself.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 03, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
Interesting to see a number of people picking Atlanta in this thread. I've got no horse in this race, so it doesn't matter either way to me, but I see NE winning this game and never really having the result in question throughout.

I'd be willing to bet that there are way more ATL fans this weekend than NE fans.  A lot of people are sick of the Pats including myself.

I totally get that, but to me, who I root for to win and who I think will win aren't always the same team. This Superbowl is one of those times.

Like I said above, it doesn't matter to me who wins, I've got no invested interest in either team, but seeing the Pats lose after beating my Steelers would be nice I guess.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2017, 09:45:11 AM
I can't blame anyone for being sick of the Pats.  I did that with other teams myself. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on February 03, 2017, 09:46:36 AM
I was.  But then I got sick of being sick of them.  So I'm okay with them now.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2017, 10:55:49 AM
Don't worry, that will change again. :lol

I'm nervously excited for this game.  Big party with friends.  We've been blessed to do this 7 of the last 15 years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: bosk1 on February 03, 2017, 11:02:10 AM
Big party with friends.  We've been blessed to do this 7 of the last 15 years.

Totally.  I grew up with that and miss it now.  I am cautiously optimistic we may get to have one a few years down the road with the changes they are making with the coaching staff and GM positions, but they have a lot to prove and a long haul ahead of them, so we'll see.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2017, 11:12:54 AM
Having the GM and the coach on the same page is extremely important as you know out in SF.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on February 03, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
Don't worry, that will change again. :lol

I'm nervously excited for this game.  Big party with friends.  We've been blessed to do this 7 of the last 15 years.
I'm kind of on the fence about this one. Some friends are likely having a superbowl party, but I'm not sure that's how I want to watch the game. More to the point, I think I'll want to watch the game. In my experience superbowl parties are rarely conducive to that. This one might be a game to watch at home with a ribeye and a bottle of wine.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Cool Chris on February 03, 2017, 11:22:09 AM
I hear you. We have hosted every SB party since 44 except, ironically, the two Seahawks ones for unrelated reasons. When the game is dull, I am all about being the gracious host, filling drinks, replenishing food.... When the game is exciting, get your own beer.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2017, 12:09:31 PM
Don't worry, that will change again. :lol

I'm nervously excited for this game.  Big party with friends.  We've been blessed to do this 7 of the last 15 years.
I'm kind of on the fence about this one. Some friends are likely having a superbowl party, but I'm not sure that's how I want to watch the game. More to the point, I think I'll want to watch the game. In my experience superbowl parties are rarely conducive to that. This one might be a game to watch at home with a ribeye and a bottle of wine.

The thing about that is we are left alone to watch and the bonus of great food. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on February 03, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Where you are everybody is interested in the game. Down here there will be some people interested in seeing NE lose, but no where near vested enough to actually bother watching the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 03, 2017, 12:12:42 PM
We are just having my brother over.  It will be fun with all of us actually watching the game (and eating and drinking).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2017, 12:22:51 PM
Where you are everybody is interested in the game. Down here there will be some people interested in seeing NE lose, but no where near vested enough to actually bother watching the game.

I get that.  i watch it but not really invested and I float in and out a bit.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 03, 2017, 09:48:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3aOgatw.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 04, 2017, 05:10:56 AM
Maine follows the Falcons?  Somebody was drunk that made that map.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 04, 2017, 07:01:54 AM
Coz, I believe you posted the Trump vs Hillary map by mistake.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: orcus116 on February 04, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
Connecticut and Maine are pretty Pats heavy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on February 04, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
One year at college, my roommates and I hosted about 40 people.  We even made makeshift bleachers.  Years ago, my wife and I used to host 10-20.  TVs in the living room, basement, and the garage for smokers.  Even had an old B&W 8" in the bathroom.  The basement became the 'kids area'.  We also had plenty of space for people to sleep over.  Great memories.  Now, it's me and the wife and the dog.

Also now, ten minutes after the game, that's when the first siren from an accident will be heard in the distance, as 'Amateur Night' begins.

Prediction:  27-24 Pats. It would be fun to see these two teams play without the long commercial and half time breaks, then it would probably be 38-35.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 04, 2017, 06:13:00 PM
Terrell Davis finally makes the Hall of Fame!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long overdue, but  better late than never.  :coolio :coolio :coolio

Awesome to see Kurt Warner make it, too.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 04, 2017, 06:17:52 PM
Both well deserved!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 04, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
Terrell Davis finally makes the Hall of Fame!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

They've already designed his bust.

(https://www.wellpromo.com/upload/upimg83/10-x13--Gallery-Style-Horse-He-239383.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 04, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
I've got to different Night Shift Brewing beers, a 22oz bottle from Clown Shoes and 2 home brewed beers.  High % with the homebrews.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 04, 2017, 06:31:31 PM
I've got to different Night Shift Brewing beers, a 22oz bottle from Clown Shoes and 2 home brewed beers.  High % with the homebrews.

Wrong thread, bro!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: pogoowner on February 04, 2017, 06:51:05 PM
No disrespect to those who are being inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I am compelled to, once again, state that there's no way in hell all of those guys were more deserving than Terrell Owens.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 04, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
No.  Beer for the SB.

DUUUUUUDE!

BTW, I think Ty Law should have made the HOF.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 04, 2017, 07:06:42 PM
No.  Beer for the SB.

 

Ah, gotcha.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 04, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
No disrespect to those who are being inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I am compelled to, once again, state that there's no way in hell all of those guys were more deserving than Terrell Owens.

Owens will get it eventually. Voters are just making him wait as punishment for always being a douche. Character matters.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: pogoowner on February 04, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
No disrespect to those who are being inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I am compelled to, once again, state that there's no way in hell all of those guys were more deserving than Terrell Owens.

Owens will get it eventually. Voters are just making him wait as punishment for always being a douche. Character matters.
I can't wait until we get to see Ray Lewis inducted before Owens next year, while making a guy who is arguably the second or third best receiver of all-time wait.

Sidenote: Ray Lewis is unquestionably a Hall of Famer, I just will find it amusing when his character issues are brushed aside.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 07:14:17 AM
HAPPY SUPER BOWL SUNDAY
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 05, 2017, 07:16:05 AM
Yes sir!  I'm finding hard to concentrate at work right now  lol.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 08:17:02 AM
No disrespect to those who are being inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I am compelled to, once again, state that there's no way in hell all of those guys were more deserving than Terrell Owens.

Owens will get it eventually. Voters are just making him wait as punishment for always being a douche. Character matters.
I can't wait until we get to see Ray Lewis inducted before Owens next year, while making a guy who is arguably the second or third best receiver of all-time wait.

Sidenote: Ray Lewis is unquestionably a Hall of Famer, I just will find it amusing when his character issues are brushed aside.

Not that I would ever defend Lewis or his actions regarding that murder, but his one issue never affected his football team on the field or off.  Owens was a pain in the ass in the locker room on multiple teams. 

Lewis played on one team his entire career and was a key team leader on two championship teams.

Owens. despite his on field production, bounced from team to team because he wore out his welcome everywhere he played.  The same goes for Randy Moss, who might not get in right away either.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 05, 2017, 08:24:03 AM
Look at Moss in his day and how he treated the media and now he's in the media. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: PowerSlave on February 05, 2017, 08:53:25 AM
No disrespect to those who are being inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I am compelled to, once again, state that there's no way in hell all of those guys were more deserving than Terrell Owens.

Owens will get it eventually. Voters are just making him wait as punishment for always being a douche. Character matters.
I can't wait until we get to see Ray Lewis inducted before Owens next year, while making a guy who is arguably the second or third best receiver of all-time wait.

Sidenote: Ray Lewis is unquestionably a Hall of Famer, I just will find it amusing when his character issues are brushed aside.

Not that I would ever defend Lewis or his actions regarding that murder, but his one issue never affected his football team on the field or off.  Owens was a pain in the ass in the locker room on multiple teams. 

Lewis played on one team his entire career and was a key team leader on two championship teams.

Owens. despite his on field production, bounced from team to team because he wore out his welcome everywhere he played.  The same goes for Randy Moss, who might not get in right away either.

Kev nailed it.

Also, 2nd or 3rd best WR all time? It's an opinion and can't be wrong, but I'm not sure most people would consider him that high. Of course, he can only be judged within the era that he played, as is the case with any player. He probably has better numbers than many others at his position, but that's not the only measurement.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
I think it's always interesting to look at how many times a player made All-Pro.  Let's look at some of the top WRs of the last 35 years and how many times they were All-Pro:

Jerry Rice
10x 1st team
2x 2nd team

Marvin Harrison
3x 1st team
5x 2nd team

Randy Moss
4x 1st team

Terrell Owens
5x 1st team

Cris Carter
2x 1st team
1x 2nd team

Michael Irvin
1x 1st team
2x 2nd team

Tim Brown
2x 1st team

Larry Fitzgerald
1x 1st team
2x 2nd team

Calvin Johnson
3x 1st team
1x 2nd team

Torry Holt
1x 1st team
2x 2nd team

Antonio Brown
3x 1st team
1x 2nd team

Steve Smith
2x 1st team
1x 2nd team

Andre Johnson
2x 1st team
2x 2nd team

Chad Johnson
4x 1st team

That last one shocked me.  I don't think Johnson has much of a shot to make the Hall, but four All-Pro 1st teams, that came in four consecutive season, is a helluva accomplishment.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: pogoowner on February 05, 2017, 11:00:13 AM
Not that I would ever defend Lewis or his actions regarding that murder, but his one issue never affected his football team on the field or off.  Owens was a pain in the ass in the locker room on multiple teams. 

Lewis played on one team his entire career and was a key team leader on two championship teams.

Owens. despite his on field production, bounced from team to team because he wore out his welcome everywhere he played.  The same goes for Randy Moss, who might not get in right away either.
Owens was also quite successful with every team he played for, even playing for really bad Bills and Bengals teams in his late 30s, which I don't think he gets enough credit for. He wasn't reliant on a particular quarterback or coaching staff to produce. And his injury comeback and Super Bowl performance with the Eagles was a story for the ages.

As for his all-time ranking, he's 2nd in receiving yards, 3rd in receiving TDs, and 8th in receptions. Some may rank him lower than I do, but it's tough to argue that he's not very high up on the list of greatest receivers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on February 05, 2017, 11:04:12 AM
Happy Super Bowl Sunday, everyone! This will be my 8th time staying up to watch the big game (kickoff is at 11:30pm my time). I'll deal with the grogginess tomorrow. Should be a great game, with plenty of points-scoring.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 02:18:55 PM
Not that I would ever defend Lewis or his actions regarding that murder, but his one issue never affected his football team on the field or off.  Owens was a pain in the ass in the locker room on multiple teams. 

Lewis played on one team his entire career and was a key team leader on two championship teams.

Owens. despite his on field production, bounced from team to team because he wore out his welcome everywhere he played.  The same goes for Randy Moss, who might not get in right away either.
Owens was also quite successful with every team he played for, even playing for really bad Bills and Bengals teams in his late 30s, which I don't think he gets enough credit for. He wasn't reliant on a particular quarterback or coaching staff to produce. And his injury comeback and Super Bowl performance with the Eagles was a story for the ages.

As for his all-time ranking, he's 2nd in receiving yards, 3rd in receiving TDs, and 8th in receptions. Some may rank him lower than I do, but it's tough to argue that he's not very high up on the list of greatest receivers.

Regarding his performance in the Super Bowl, what I remember most about that is him boasting in the post game press conference about his critics being wrong.  His team just lost the Super Bowl, but all he cared about was that he played well and proved the critics wrong.  Typical TO, all about him and screw the team. 

Cris Carter should have also been a first ballot lock based merely on production, yet he had to wait, what, six years?  Don't be surprised if TO's wait is just as long or longer.

It's funny because he still doesn't get why he's not in yet. He can cry about a flawed process on twitter all he wants, but his "me first" attitude is the main reason why, and going off on voters sure isn't going to make them want to vote him in any time soon. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: pogoowner on February 05, 2017, 02:29:17 PM
I just am not of the opinion that what he says off the field matters. For football writers to suggest that his not getting along with people somehow outweighs his ridiculous offensive production is so strange to me.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on February 05, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Happy Super Bowl Sunday, everyone! This will be my 8th time staying up to watch the big game (kickoff is at 11:30pm my time). I'll deal with the grogginess tomorrow. Should be a great game, with plenty of points-scoring.

You'll be a bit more tired than us ol' farts on the US East Coast (gawd, how I miss the 4 and 5 pm starts).  Good luck to you.

I wish I was in Hawaii (for reasons other than today).  The 130pm kickoff made watching much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Devonta Freeman talked smack this week and is backing it up so far; he looks unstoppable.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 05:18:27 PM
Yeah, ugly so far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dream Team on February 05, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Love the rhetoric being proven wrong.

BB's teams don't fumble.

D beats O.

Blah blah blah
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 05:33:57 PM
14-0. It's over..

I am literally the only person I know who thought the Pats were in trouble in this game. The Pats media had them winning easy.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 05:34:40 PM


BB's teams don't fumble.

I've literally never heard that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 05:37:47 PM
Love the rhetoric being proven wrong.

BB's teams don't fumble.

D beats O.

Blah blah blah

It's a long game.  Report back in about 2 1/2 hours.

Besides, many of us said the Patriots number 1 defensive ranking was a fraud, considering the shit QBs they played all season.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 05:46:00 PM
Pick six!!! 21-0....awesome
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Monster play. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: BlackInk on February 05, 2017, 05:47:22 PM
I'm loving how this game is going so far.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 05, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
Un-fucking-believable!  I love it.  :tup

NE is clearly out matched.  Especially without Gronk.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Cool Chris on February 05, 2017, 05:53:05 PM
Glad I'm hosting this one.... time to check on the kids, replenish drinks, etc... Was saving that for the half time show.

The hatred here for Brady is a little silly, but some of my guests are still a little bent about SB49.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 06:05:04 PM
Falcons getting pressure with their front four is the surprise of the game so far. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on February 05, 2017, 06:14:07 PM
Big mistakes with big results.  That's always a big key.  I'm still expecting this to be 24-17 and a nailbiter at some point.

But....who cares?  my wife and I had 0-0 for some big $$$$$$$.  After 8 years....finally.....
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 05, 2017, 06:17:07 PM
Atlanta swarming on D.  Causing turnovers and capitalizing.  A recipe for victory.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Even Lady Gaga is kicking the Patriots' ass!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: carl320 on February 05, 2017, 06:25:49 PM
Even Lady Gaga is kicking the Patriots' ass!
:rollin

Watching this game I was surprised with the fast pace the Falcons defense kept up.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 05, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
I'm watching the halftime show and while it's certainly entertaining and weird in certain parts, where this could have gone a whole lot worse, I'm thinking how much money did they spend for this?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 05, 2017, 06:32:44 PM
That was far and away my favorite halftime show ever. I loved Lady Gaga before this, but she just cemented her place as one of my all time favorite artists with that performance.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 05, 2017, 06:37:58 PM
Yeah that was very good.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 05, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
2 drops.  Not the way you win
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: BlackInk on February 05, 2017, 06:54:42 PM
YES! This is going great!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on February 05, 2017, 07:06:21 PM
Wow, Atlanta's offense have been beautiful to watch tonight. Just incredible! This is a rout atm!

(2.05am as I write, and just as I write, NE get into the endzone, and miss the XP.)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on February 05, 2017, 07:25:41 PM
....and cost us a progressive with that missed XP

If this were outdoors in 30 degree temps, the game 'might' be different.  Kind of like the old Vikings and Broncos going 'south' in more ways than one.  Really impressed with the Falcons D.  Not surprised that the Pats offense would be a bit off, but this has to be rather shocking to everyone.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
Holy shit Jones
Holy shit Edelman
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Cool Chris on February 05, 2017, 08:03:19 PM
The party at my house has now turned it to a 'Get your own damn refills' party. Except no one has left their seat in the past 10 minutes. Amazing game!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 08:12:06 PM
What a game. What a finish.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 08:14:58 PM
OVERTIME


HISTORY

Brady should have bombed it instead of that mess
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 08:16:17 PM
I hope the Pats win now. Matt Ryan deserves to lose after being a total dumbass.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:16:35 PM

Brady should have bombed it instead of that mess

If they lose, that will be a big second guess.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on February 05, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
Right then...who had this one going to overtime?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:24:38 PM
Who called that play, Pete Carrol??
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 05, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Wow. Falcons folded like a napkin the moment they hit 28. Very deserved loss.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 08:26:49 PM
The Pats did it again. Congrats to the resident Pat fans.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 05, 2017, 08:30:14 PM
Great game, what the hell happened to the Falcons at the end there. I didn't get to watch after the 3rd quarter, but then that's when the Falcons began folding (I just followed live play by play.)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: King Postwhore on February 05, 2017, 08:31:25 PM
GGGOOOOAAATT!!


I'm in shock.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal


Great game, what the hell happened to the Falcons at the end there. I didn't get to watch after the 3rd quarter,
:hefdaddy

Thank you!

 :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
GGGOOOOAAATT!!


I'm in shock.

He's certainly in the conversation
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: RoeDent on February 05, 2017, 08:35:42 PM
I'm speechless. That game had everything. Without question the best Super Bowl I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
The best part about the Pats getting killed, was that, since I have to be at work at 5:00 am, I didn't have to stay up watching the Trophy Presentation and the Post Game. And I could stop drinking. :lol


Just popped a pint of Trooper 666! :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 05, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
I hope the Pats win now. Matt Ryan deserves to lose after being a total dumbass.

Well, I'll never hope the Pats the win, but Matt Ryan had no clue about situational football.  Not only did he take a sack when he should've gotten rid of it on the previous possession, he also clocked it on 2nd and 6 instead of 1st and 10 at the end of regulation.  Very poor decision making in clutch situations.  Hard to believe he is league MVP after that utter collapse.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: cramx3 on February 05, 2017, 08:44:57 PM
Wow, what a game! Was pretty much a stinker up till the 4th quarter, terrible commercials and just an ok halftime show... then the Brady show  :omg:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:45:15 PM
A Kevin Youkillis sighting!! :metal

(He's married to Tom Brady's sister)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:45:36 PM
Brady Gaga!!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
GTFO the stage Goodell. You too Strahan!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Cool Chris on February 05, 2017, 08:49:20 PM
I am speechless. I am without speech.

LOL That ESPN Win Probability had ATL at 99.6% at 9:00 in the 4th.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 05, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
Heavy advantage being granted by a coin flip in OT has to be the worst rule in sports that I know of. At least scrap that shit for the playoffs. But meh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
I hope the Pats win now. Matt Ryan deserves to lose after being a total dumbass.

Well, I'll never hope the Pats the win, but Matt Ryan had no clue about situational football.  Not only did he take a sack when he should've gotten rid of it on the previous possession, he also clocked it on 2nd and 6 instead of 1st and 10 at the end of regulation.  Very poor decision making in clutch situations.  Hard to believe he is league MVP after that utter collapse.

He's a fraud.  Sure, he looks great when he has time to throw and a million weapons, but when the pressure is on, he choked. Big time.  That lack of situational awareness was unbelievable.  Throwing on 2nd down with 4 minutes left was a bad play call (I said run in three times and kick the FG after Julio's epic catch), but standing back there all day and taking the sack was something a rookie would do.  Total fraud.

That said, congrats to the Patriots on an epic comeback. They deserved it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 05, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
So that just happened. I honestly don't know what else I expected at this point. At any rate, I'm done. This Jets fan has been hurt by football too many times and I just can't handle another season of watching the Patriots win with the coach who refused to coach for us, the quarterback that we put on the field for the first time, all the while the Jets continue to suck no matter what changes they make. I simply cannot do it anymore. Until Brady retires, I know how every season is going to end, with the Patriots deep in the playoffs and the Jets at home come January, and I just don't have the stomach or heart to deal with it like I used to. Wake me up when this nightmare ends.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Dream Team on February 05, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
Amazing game. The moment when Atl choked it away was right after THE Julio catch, instead of 3 runs and a FG Ryan takes a moronic sack and combined with holding penalty pushed them out of FG range. 11 point lead would have been game over. Ryan pissed himself in the 2nd half.

Whoops, sorry, I see this was already posted above.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on February 05, 2017, 09:01:33 PM
MVP Julio Jones talks about that 'catch' with under four minutes left, leading to the clinching FG after three running plays gave the Falcons an overwhelming 11 point lead with under three minutes to go.

Oooooops :tdwn

The decisions by the Falcon coaching staff were FAR worse than what people blame Carroll and Seattle for two years ago.  THAT was a spectacular play by the NE DB.  This, ....this,..... was a bunch of clusterflucker playcalls that led to them punting, and putting the game on the line in the hands of 'The Master'.

And, good grief, I was checking stats on occasion:  90+ plays to 46, 31 first downs to 17, ...and that was at the end of regulation.  Ended up 93-46 in plays, 37-17 first downs, 546-346 total yards.  Oh, great catch by Edelmann :hefdaddy

I tip my hat to Brady and Belichick. I despise Kraft, but to hear all the people booing GODell, and then that speech, basically an 'UP YOURS, Roger!'...it made this Raven fan smile.

Congrats, you m#th$rf@ck%rs :tup

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
Amazing game. The moment when Atl choked it away was right after THE Julio catch, instead of 3 runs and a FG Ryan takes a moronic sack and combined with holding penalty pushed them out of FG range. 11 point lead would have been game over. Ryan pissed himself in the 2nd half.


On the one hand, it was awful play calling by Shanahan.  Run it three times and let your stud kicker put you up 11 and its over.  Instead, you call a pass, your MVP QB takes the dumbest sack ever, and you are now victims of the biggest choke job I've ever seen in a championship game.

On the other hand, Matt Ryan is still the biggest fraud ever.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 09:04:52 PM
I hope the Pats win now. Matt Ryan deserves to lose after being a total dumbass.

Well, I'll never hope the Pats the win, but Matt Ryan had no clue about situational football.  Not only did he take a sack when he should've gotten rid of it on the previous possession, he also clocked it on 2nd and 6 instead of 1st and 10 at the end of regulation.  Very poor decision making in clutch situations.  Hard to believe he is league MVP after that utter collapse.

He's a fraud.  Sure, he looks great when he has time to throw and a million weapons, but when the pressure is on, he choked. Big time.  That lack of situational awareness was unbelievable.  Throwing on 2nd down with 4 minutes left was a bad play call (I said run in three times and kick the FG after Julio's epic catch), but standing back there all day and taking the sack was something a rookie would do.  Total fraud.

That said, congrats to the Patriots on an epic comeback. They deserved it.

That's a bit too strong Kev. He's not a fraud. He buzzed though the Seahawks and the made the Packers look silly. And for 75 % of the SB he was on his way to the win.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2017, 09:05:09 PM

The decisions by the Falcon coaching staff were FAR worse than what people blame Carroll and Seattle for two years ago.  THAT was a spectacular play by the NE DB.  This, ....this,..... was a bunch of clusterflucker playcalls that led to them punting, and putting the game on the line in the hands of 'The Master'.

Let's not get crazy. Seattle throwing in that spot was the single worst play call in Super Bowl history, if not in the history of professional sports.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
I'm surprised Ladanian Tomlinson isn't wearing a helmet.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 09:10:14 PM
I hope the Pats win now. Matt Ryan deserves to lose after being a total dumbass.

Well, I'll never hope the Pats the win, but Matt Ryan had no clue about situational football.  Not only did he take a sack when he should've gotten rid of it on the previous possession, he also clocked it on 2nd and 6 instead of 1st and 10 at the end of regulation.  Very poor decision making in clutch situations.  Hard to believe he is league MVP after that utter collapse.

He's a fraud.  Sure, he looks great when he has time to throw and a million weapons, but when the pressure is on, he choked. Big time.  That lack of situational awareness was unbelievable.  Throwing on 2nd down with 4 minutes left was a bad play call (I said run in three times and kick the FG after Julio's epic catch), but standing back there all day and taking the sack was something a rookie would do.  Total fraud.

That said, congrats to the Patriots on an epic comeback. They deserved it.

That's a bit too strong Kev. He's not a fraud. He buzzed though the Seahawks and the made the Packers look silly. And for 75 % of the SB he was on his way to the win.

Matt Ryan has shown throughout his career that he is an average QB unless he has half a dozen really good weapons around him. Give him Brady's weapons and he'd be 6-10.  He gagged it away.  TOTAL FRAUD.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 09:20:17 PM
I disagree. He's not Brady. Got it.

Edelman is ridiculous.

Ryan wins the SB next year, Calling it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
Watching the local Pats's Post Game and they mention this:

Julio Jones....only 4 targets? Is that right?



Chris, love the thread title!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 09:24:56 PM
Matt Ryan will never make it back to the Super Bowl. Calling it now.

What a shame for Julio Jones. He makes one of the best plays in Super Bowl history, and it is all for naught.  That should have been the play that sealed a Super Bowl win, but his OC and QB made that catch a mere footnote now.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: pogoowner on February 05, 2017, 09:25:44 PM
I disagree. He's not Brady. Got it.

Edelman is ridiculous.

Ryan wins the SB next year, Calling it.
If the defense keeps improving, maybe. But I doubt it. They'll have a new offensive coordinator next year, and that could greatly affect them.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2017, 09:28:02 PM

If the defense keeps improving, maybe. But I doubt it. They'll have a new offensive coordinator next year, and that could greatly affect them.

Yep, despite Shanahan's dreadful play calling tonight, he did a great job all season, and Ryan has never been anything more than a borderline top 10 NFL QB prior to this year. 

Also,  :lol :lol :lol :lol at Julio only having 4 targets.

And Austin Hooper had 6. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 05, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
I am speechless. I am without speech.

LOL That ESPN Win Probability had ATL at 99.6% at 9:00 in the 4th.

I know I was laughing a bit seeing it jump from that to Pats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 05, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
I'm still on 7th heaven.  Tomorrow the owners lackey he's to hand Brady the MVP award.  I hope to hear 31 owners scream.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
I have to get up in 3 hours to go to work!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: lonestar on February 05, 2017, 10:23:02 PM
Don't need to say anything that hasn't been said already, tremendous game..

Love reading through the thread though...it's all "Falcons rout blah blah" for a while, then there is a posting gap from 6:06 to 7:02 where I assume everyone was all  :omg: at their tv's  :lol


(my problem was, I hit a meeting from 6 to 7, entered the meeting at 21-3 and I came out to see it 28-21 with the pats in the red zone, ran like a motherfucker from the church to the nearby bbq joint to see them tie it up and win)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 05, 2017, 10:45:27 PM
Love reading through the thread though...it's all "Falcons rout blah blah" for a while, then there is a posting gap from 6:06 to 7:02 where I assume everyone was all  :omg: at their tv's  :lol
Catching up with this well after the game was over was a hoot. A whole lot of people scoffing a bit too early. When I heard Joe Buck say that no team has ever come back from a 19pt deficit I chuckled about the Ravens game. Props to Kev for remembering that it's a four quarter game.

I loved Kraft sticking it to Goodell. He sure didn't stick around much.  :lol 
And it's hard to argue with Bradshaw. It was the best coach and the best quarterback in the best Superbowl. It's getting downright impossible to question those two being GOATs.



edit: Julio Jones had two catches that really left me dumbfucked. Man's a beast. Edleman had one just as spectacular when the game was really on the line.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: splent on February 06, 2017, 05:07:25 AM
Don't need to say anything that hasn't been said already, tremendous game..

Love reading through the thread though...it's all "Falcons rout blah blah" for a while, then there is a posting gap from 6:06 to 7:02 where I assume everyone was all  :omg: at their tv's  :lol


(my problem was, I hit a meeting from 6 to 7, entered the meeting at 21-3 and I came out to see it 28-21 with the pats in the red zone, ran like a motherfucker from the church to the nearby bbq joint to see them tie it up and win)

I blame the meeting
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2017, 05:35:43 AM
I went to a friend's house for the 2nd half, hence my lack of posting there for a while. And I missed the halftime show while driving there, and then the post game stuff when driving back home, neither of which bummed me out at all. :lol :lol

Kraft stuck it to Goodell?  That's unfortunate.  Kraft has always been a classy guy, and I figured he would take the high road there instead of being a gloating knucklehead, but he was probably drunk again. :lol

Belichick was already the GOAT before last night, and that just solidified it even more.  I've said for a while that Peyton and Brady are 1a and 1b on my list of all-time QBs, but last night puts Brady over the top at 1 by himself, I think.  It's still closer than many think, but five championships and four Super Bowl MVP awards is unprecedented.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Dream Team on February 06, 2017, 06:38:09 AM
Couple things, taking nothing away from NE.

OF COURSE NE wins the OT coin toss. Of course. Everyone knew Atl D was totally gassed. If their O got the ball first, could have made a big difference. But they never should have gagged the lead away in the first place.

NE had 66 drop backs and 4 deep passes. They did what they always do, a series of accurate very short passes against a tiring D. Not always exciting to watch, but effective.

Brady had at least 3 other passes that should have been picked, especially that one tipped straight up into the air.

Nice for him to win, sounds like his mom has been pretty ill.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Dream Team on February 06, 2017, 07:09:33 AM
Also, something that sometimes gets missed in the excitement is that those fourth quarter comebacks against Seattle and Atlanta can't happen without the D continually making stops. It's still a team game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2017, 07:13:43 AM
Heavy advantage being granted by a coin flip in OT has to be the worst rule in sports that I know of. At least scrap that shit for the playoffs. But meh.

Except the stats say there is almost NO advantage to winning the coin flip, so there's the facts to contend with.

Look, to put this on the Falcons, as if it was ALL them, is ridiculous.   Ryan had the protection of kings for most of the last six games, and Patricia found a way to get to him.  That sack was clearly the turning point, but 31 straight points, including TWO 2-pt. conversions... that's not on Matt Ryan.   Hard to call him the goat when he spend much of the 4th quarter on the sideline and ALL of the overtime. 

That game was ALL about heart and stamina, and mental toughness.  There's no reason why the Pats - at 28-3 - shouldn't have started congratulating each other on a good season, we'll get 'em next year, and yet, no.  NEVER quit.  Edelman, two drops early, get's strong and makes the catch of the game (well, ok, maybe Julio Jones has that, but you get the point).   Brady, sharp as a rusty knife in the first quarter, and yet, as precise as a surgeon in the fourth quarter and in OT.   TWO passes that had to be perfect, and he hit them.   

I'm sorry, but any conversation of "Greatest QB ever" that doesn't start with "Tom Brady" is utterly useless and without credibility at this point.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 07:17:09 AM
Holy cow, great win by the Pats!!

How do people feel about NFL overtime rules, just out of curiosity, not to take any thing away from the Pats, but so much is based on the luck of a coin flip. Why not make NFL overtimes an extra 10:00 minute period, they play the full 10:00 minutes and whoever is winning at the end of the clock wins, none of this sudden death stuff. It just seems random, if the Pats kick a field goal in OT, Atlanta has a chance with the ball, but not if the Pats score a TD? Just kinda random.

Oh and Tom Brady, as much as it pains me, is freaking incredible.

And I agree with Kev, Matt Ryan will never make it back to a SB, this was his shot.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2017, 07:17:48 AM
Heavy advantage being granted by a coin flip in OT has to be the worst rule in sports that I know of. At least scrap that shit for the playoffs. But meh.

Except the stats say there is almost NO advantage to winning the coin flip, so there's the facts to contend with.

Look, to put this on the Falcons, as if it was ALL them, is ridiculous.   Ryan had the protection of kings for most of the last six games, and Patricia found a way to get to him.  That sack was clearly the turning point, but 31 straight points, including TWO 2-pt. conversions... that's not on Matt Ryan.   Hard to call him the goat when he spend much of the 4th quarter on the sideline and ALL of the overtime. 

That game was ALL about heart and stamina, and mental toughness.  There's no reason why the Pats - at 28-3 - shouldn't have started congratulating each other on a good season, we'll get 'em next year, and yet, no.  NEVER quit.  Edelman, two drops early, get's strong and makes the catch of the game (well, ok, maybe Julio Jones has that, but you get the point).   Brady, sharp as a rusty knife in the first quarter, and yet, as precise as a surgeon in the fourth quarter and in OT.   TWO passes that had to be perfect, and he hit them.   

I'm sorry, but any conversation of "Greatest QB ever" that doesn't start with "Tom Brady" is utterly useless and without credibility at this point.

The advantage of the coin flip LAST night was huge. There is no denying that.

And if Ryan could sustain drives in the second half.... the Falcons' defense wouldn't have been so gassed. There is a direct correlation.

But all the credit in the world to New England... they made the adjustments an had a hell of a comeback.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2017, 07:18:08 AM
Love reading through the thread though...it's all "Falcons rout blah blah" for a while, then there is a posting gap from 6:06 to 7:02 where I assume everyone was all  :omg: at their tv's  :lol
Catching up with this well after the game was over was a hoot. A whole lot of people scoffing a bit too early. When I heard Joe Buck say that no team has ever come back from a 19pt deficit I chuckled about the Ravens game. Props to Kev for remembering that it's a four quarter game.

I loved Kraft sticking it to Goodell. He sure didn't stick around much.  :lol 
And it's hard to argue with Bradshaw. It was the best coach and the best quarterback in the best Superbowl. It's getting downright impossible to question those two being GOATs.



edit: Julio Jones had two catches that really left me dumbfucked. Man's a beast. Edleman had one just as spectacular when the game was really on the line.

That was the one thing the Pats did well from wire to wire; they double teamed Jones almost the entire game, and forced Atlanta to go to their second and third guys.  That's why the effectiveness of the Atlanta run early was so devastating; it made it harder to keep that double team.

Even the great catch (and make no mistake, that was one for the ages) needed an absolutely perfect throw from Ryan. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Chino on February 06, 2017, 07:19:25 AM
Holy cow, great win by the Pats!!

How do people feel about NFL overtime rules, just out of curiosity, not to take any thing away from the Pats, but so much is based on the luck of a coin flip. Why not make NFL overtimes an extra 10:00 minute period, they play the full 10:00 minutes and whoever is winning at the end of the clock wins, none of this sudden death stuff. It just seems random, if the Pats kick a field goal in OT, Atlanta has a chance with the ball, but not if the Pats score a TD? Just kinda random.

Oh and Tom Brady, as much as it pains me, is freaking incredible.

And I agree with Kev, Matt Ryan will never make it back to a SB, this was his shot.

In my ideal world, I'd like to see an additional 15 minute quarter played with the caveat of whoever scores the touchdown needs to kick the extra point. No two point conversions allowed.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2017, 07:20:41 AM
Heavy advantage being granted by a coin flip in OT has to be the worst rule in sports that I know of. At least scrap that shit for the playoffs. But meh.

Except the stats say there is almost NO advantage to winning the coin flip, so there's the facts to contend with.

Look, to put this on the Falcons, as if it was ALL them, is ridiculous.   Ryan had the protection of kings for most of the last six games, and Patricia found a way to get to him.  That sack was clearly the turning point, but 31 straight points, including TWO 2-pt. conversions... that's not on Matt Ryan.   Hard to call him the goat when he spend much of the 4th quarter on the sideline and ALL of the overtime. 

That game was ALL about heart and stamina, and mental toughness.  There's no reason why the Pats - at 28-3 - shouldn't have started congratulating each other on a good season, we'll get 'em next year, and yet, no.  NEVER quit.  Edelman, two drops early, get's strong and makes the catch of the game (well, ok, maybe Julio Jones has that, but you get the point).   Brady, sharp as a rusty knife in the first quarter, and yet, as precise as a surgeon in the fourth quarter and in OT.   TWO passes that had to be perfect, and he hit them.   

I'm sorry, but any conversation of "Greatest QB ever" that doesn't start with "Tom Brady" is utterly useless and without credibility at this point.

The advantage of the coin flip LAST night was huge. There is no denying that.

And if Ryan could sustain drives in the second half.... the Falcons' defense wouldn't have been so gassed. There is a direct correlation.

But all the credit in the world to New England... they made the adjustments an had a hell of a comeback.

But it's not an advantage of the COIN FLIP.  It was an advantage of the game play.   It was an advantage earned by the Patriots by controlling the football for most of the fourth quarter.    Yes, the Atlanta D was gassed, but that flip goes the other way, I'm not sure it changes the ultimate outcome.  The coin flip didn't do diddly to help the Pats march the length of the field.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 07:21:03 AM
The advantage of the coin flip LAST night was huge. There is no denying that.

And if Ryan could sustain drives in the second half.... the Falcons' defense wouldn't have been so gassed. There is a direct correlation.

But all the credit in the world to New England... they made the adjustments an had a hell of a comeback.

Agreed. That's why I wouldn't make the entire game ride on that flip. The sudden death OT thing works in hockey because of the continuous nature of the game. Football is a start, stop game. Doesn't work the same, IMO.

In my ideal world, I'd like to see an additional 15 minute quarter played with the caveat of whoever scores the touchdown needs to kick the extra point. No two point conversions allowed.

I'd be game for that, it would certainly make more sense.

I'm not taking anything away from the Pats, those are the rules, they won by them, I'm just kinda thinking aloud.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 07:23:03 AM
But it's not an advantage of the COIN FLIP.  It was an advantage of the game play.   It was an advantage earned by the Patriots by controlling the football for most of the fourth quarter.    Yes, the Atlanta D was gassed, but that flip goes the other way, I'm not sure it changes the ultimate outcome.  The coin flip didn't do diddly to help the Pats march the length of the field.

Stad, I know you are a Pats fan, I don't think this argument is trying to take anything away from the Pats, but the coin flip is a HUGE advantage in that situation last night. Them winning the coin flip had nothing to do with how good they were playing in the 4th, how good their game plan was, it was luck.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 06, 2017, 07:47:20 AM
So many good points have been made. It was just a great game, and it was awesome being able to watch history. It solidifies both Belichick as the greatest coach ever to this point and Brady as the greatest QB....there really is no argument that can be made to disprove that.

For as good as the Pats were in the second half the Falcons were that bad. For them not to have expected Belichick not to make adjustments and continue with the same game plan was their downfall. They needed to have (2) plans prepared to go....Again, the Pats earned that victory 100% but that doesn't eliminate the fact that the Falcons choked as well. Execution wise and especially coaching they were outmatched.

I feel bad for JJ because he was horrifically underused and he busted his tail the few chances he got. And count me in the group that says Matt Ryan will never see a SB again. That was his shot....and he blew it.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2017, 08:01:18 AM
But it's not an advantage of the COIN FLIP.  It was an advantage of the game play.   It was an advantage earned by the Patriots by controlling the football for most of the fourth quarter.    Yes, the Atlanta D was gassed, but that flip goes the other way, I'm not sure it changes the ultimate outcome.  The coin flip didn't do diddly to help the Pats march the length of the field.

Stad, I know you are a Pats fan, I don't think this argument is trying to take anything away from the Pats, but the coin flip is a HUGE advantage in that situation last night. Them winning the coin flip had nothing to do with how good they were playing in the 4th, how good their game plan was, it was luck.

Well, again, I understand that having the ball at that point was huge; but it WAS luck, and no different than any of a 100 of other things that are the same odds for both teams.  If the Pats lost the flip, they'd have to play D, and then get back on the field.  It's not a flaw in the system, as much as it is the way the game is.  You could say the same thing about the Falcons getting the ball after the half, and scoring, that should have sealed the deal but it didn't.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 08:07:24 AM
But it's not an advantage of the COIN FLIP.  It was an advantage of the game play.   It was an advantage earned by the Patriots by controlling the football for most of the fourth quarter.    Yes, the Atlanta D was gassed, but that flip goes the other way, I'm not sure it changes the ultimate outcome.  The coin flip didn't do diddly to help the Pats march the length of the field.

Stad, I know you are a Pats fan, I don't think this argument is trying to take anything away from the Pats, but the coin flip is a HUGE advantage in that situation last night. Them winning the coin flip had nothing to do with how good they were playing in the 4th, how good their game plan was, it was luck.

Well, again, I understand that having the ball at that point was huge; but it WAS luck, and no different than any of a 100 of other things that are the same odds for both teams.  If the Pats lost the flip, they'd have to play D, and then get back on the field.  It's not a flaw in the system, as much as it is the way the game is.  You could say the same thing about the Falcons getting the ball after the half, and scoring, that should have sealed the deal but it didn't.   

That specific game yesterday aside, would you rather see the NFL move to a different overtime format where OT is another 15:00 minute quarter and they play till the end to determine a winner?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2017, 08:12:10 AM
Momentum is huge in these situations, and it had shifted so dramatically towards the Pats the OT coin toss probably just saved Atlanta further humiliation.


Kraft stuck it to Goodell?  That's unfortunate.  Kraft has always been a classy guy, and I figured he would take the high road there instead of being a gloating knucklehead, but he was probably drunk again. :lol
Certainly not like two weeks ago, but he wasn't a shining beacon of sobriety, either. And he wasn't a dick about it. He basically just said that he had thought two years ago was the sweetest of his SB victories, but after everything they went through, "and everybody knows what we went through," this one's better. And the crowd was far more hostile than any of the Patriots. That was one helluva chorus of boos Roger got.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2017, 08:14:53 AM
That specific game yesterday aside, would you rather see the NFL move to a different overtime format where OT is another 15:00 minute quarter and they play till the end to determine a winner?
Not me. I wouldn't mind seeing that both teams get an opportunity, even after a field goal, but sudden death has always been how NFL OT works and I don't want to see that change. What I would like to see is an end to tie games.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 06, 2017, 08:15:20 AM
That specific game yesterday aside, would you rather see the NFL move to a different overtime format where OT is another 15:00 minute quarter and they play till the end to determine a winner?

Absolutely. I've always disliked the NFL OT rule. Especially in the SB where a coin flip can ultimately determine who's gonna be champ, not that I think it mattered yesterday because:

Momentum is huge in these situations, and it had shifted so dramatically towards the Pats the OT coin toss probably just saved Atlanta further humiliation.

Even had Atlanta won the toss they were already beaten. They were beaten when the Pats got the score to within 8 points. You could see it...everyone could see it. Their Defense would have forced a 3 and out in OT and the Pats win anyway.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 08:18:33 AM
That specific game yesterday aside, would you rather see the NFL move to a different overtime format where OT is another 15:00 minute quarter and they play till the end to determine a winner?
Not me. I wouldn't mind seeing that both teams get an opportunity, even after a field goal, but sudden death has always been how NFL OT works and I don't want to see that change. What I would like to see is an end to tie games.

I agree on the tie games thing. Even giving both teams a chance is better I guess, the way it is now just makes no sense to me. If the way OT is structured now makes sense, why do they even have a game clock during regulation? Why not just start the game saying each team gets the ball 10 times, whoever scores more wins, but wait...if the other team scores a TD you don't get the ball but if it's a field goal you do...or something. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: bosk1 on February 06, 2017, 08:26:36 AM
So many good points have been made. It was just a great game, and it was awesome being able to watch history. It solidifies both Belichick as the greatest coach ever to this point and Brady as the greatest QB....there really is no argument that can be made to disprove that.

All of that.  And fun to see the game go from snoozer to one of the best endings to a Super Bowl EVER. 

For as good as the Pats were in the second half the Falcons were that bad. For them not to have expected Belichick not to make adjustments and continue with the same game plan was their downfall. They needed to have (2) plans prepared to go....Again, the Pats earned that victory 100% but that doesn't eliminate the fact that the Falcons choked as well. Execution wise and especially coaching they were outmatched.

They absolutely did NOT "choke."  They got outplayed and had some things go wrong at the end.  Give credit where it is due--to both teams.  Calling it a choke is either laziness, dishonesty, or lack of understanding the game. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 06, 2017, 08:32:56 AM
For as good as the Pats were in the second half the Falcons were that bad. For them not to have expected Belichick not to make adjustments and continue with the same game plan was their downfall. They needed to have (2) plans prepared to go....Again, the Pats earned that victory 100% but that doesn't eliminate the fact that the Falcons choked as well. Execution wise and especially coaching they were outmatched.

They absolutely did NOT "choke."  They got outplayed and had some things go wrong at the end.  Give credit where it is due--to both teams.  Calling it a choke is either laziness, dishonesty, or lack of understanding the game.

I'll admit that I know little about football other than liking to watch it, but I still believe there was quite a bit of butt puckering and tense worry in the players on Atlanta once the Pats started making it a game...it was obvious in the lack of execution in the series not only when Ryan was sacked and fumbled but the series that they were driven out of FG range.

Certainly credit goes to the Pats players and coaches...absolutely. But Atlanta's lack of execution in both those areas can be described as a manner of choking due to having to face the pressure of the mounting comeback.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
So many good points have been made. It was just a great game, and it was awesome being able to watch history. It solidifies both Belichick as the greatest coach ever to this point and Brady as the greatest QB....there really is no argument that can be made to disprove that.

I'm with Belichick being the best coach without question..... but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2017, 08:47:41 AM
So many good points have been made. It was just a great game, and it was awesome being able to watch history. It solidifies both Belichick as the greatest coach ever to this point and Brady as the greatest QB....there really is no argument that can be made to disprove that.

I'm with Belichick being the best coach without question..... but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.
There's always been a conversation with Montana, but last night Brady demonstrated the very best quality Joe had which was amazing poise under tremendous pressure. I think the conversation is over.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 06, 2017, 08:49:16 AM
but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.

I'm no Tom Brady fan by any means and really just a casual Football fan at best. But if you're strictly looking at stats, wins, MVPs etc then there is no factual argument that can remove him from being the Best QB ever. If you're introducing intangibles and the 'era' arguments....then you can turn it into a conversation, but even then he's atop the heap of great QB's.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2017, 08:49:35 AM
I'm not Pats fan, but got to admit I started rooting for them in the 4th quarter.  As much as it's easy to dislike them for being so successful, it was also really easy to start rooting for them in that comeback. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2017, 08:50:52 AM
but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.

I'm no Tom Brady fan by any means and really just a casual Football fan at best. But if you're strictly looking at stats, wins, MVPs etc then there is no factual argument that can remove him from being the Best QB ever. If you're introducing intangibles and the 'era' arguments....then you can turn it into a conversation, but even then he's atop the heap of great QB's.

The "era" factor is HUGE, and shouldn't be overlooked. The QBs of today are simply playing a different game than the QBs of yesteryear.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: RoeDent on February 06, 2017, 08:56:02 AM
For me there is no question that Brady is the greatest ever, after last night. For one player to win FIVE championships, when the most that a team has ever won is 6. And championships are the one thing that every coach, every quarterback, every player trains for, the ultimate goal that everyone is striving towards. Makes the whole "greatest...ever" debate a lot easier when you base it purely on stats. They don't lie. They are objective. No one can argue against cold hard stats.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 06, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.

I'm no Tom Brady fan by any means and really just a casual Football fan at best. But if you're strictly looking at stats, wins, MVPs etc then there is no factual argument that can remove him from being the Best QB ever. If you're introducing intangibles and the 'era' arguments....then you can turn it into a conversation, but even then he's atop the heap of great QB's.

The "era" factor is HUGE, and shouldn't be overlooked. The QBs of today are simply playing a different game than the QBs of yesteryear.

You could add though from this era with free agency where other teams did not have to deal with the constant change favors the new age QB's. 

It's so hard to really nail down eras.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
So many good points have been made. It was just a great game, and it was awesome being able to watch history. It solidifies both Belichick as the greatest coach ever to this point and Brady as the greatest QB....there really is no argument that can be made to disprove that.

I'm with Belichick being the best coach without question..... but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.
There's always been a conversation with Montana, but last night Brady demonstrated the very best quality Joe had which was amazing poise under tremendous pressure. I think the conversation is over.

I know this is sort of a bullshit argument, but I think you have to have played sports to understand how good Brady is.  The mental toughness to not only overcome your teams mistakes, but your own (he overthrew Edelman badly on one early play), AND overcome the pressure of a rush that you didn't really see all season long, and overcome the physical punishment of being sacked by a 370-lb. lineman, AND overcome the psychological mountain of a 28-3 score with less than half the game to play, AND overcome the notion of accomplishing not one, not two, but THREE things that no one had ever done before, AND overcome the largest TV audience for any single game in any single year, AND overcome the pressure of being the greatest ever, AND overcoming the pressure of the fallout from the suspension, then to ACTUALLY DO IT - perform at a higher level yourself, and get those around you to play at a higher level - is beyond words.   

How many of you at work say at 4:45, "ah fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow".  Or are at work and say "Well, I would have finished that, but I was waiting for Hokum to finish his piece".  Or say "Well, I would have finished that, but my computer is giving me grief...".   Any of 1,000 excuses.     Brady made none of them, and in real time, with a finite amount of time to do it in, changed that entire game around. 

BEST EVER.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: tofee35 on February 06, 2017, 12:09:29 PM
So many good points have been made. It was just a great game, and it was awesome being able to watch history. It solidifies both Belichick as the greatest coach ever to this point and Brady as the greatest QB....there really is no argument that can be made to disprove that.

I'm with Belichick being the best coach without question..... but there is no clear cut greatest QB of all time. Brady is certainly in the conversation... but there is a conversation.
There's always been a conversation with Montana, but last night Brady demonstrated the very best quality Joe had which was amazing poise under tremendous pressure. I think the conversation is over.

I know this is sort of a bullshit argument, but I think you have to have played sports to understand how good Brady is.  The mental toughness to not only overcome your teams mistakes, but your own (he overthrew Edelman badly on one early play), AND overcome the pressure of a rush that you didn't really see all season long, and overcome the physical punishment of being sacked by a 370-lb. lineman, AND overcome the psychological mountain of a 28-3 score with less than half the game to play, AND overcome the notion of accomplishing not one, not two, but THREE things that no one had ever done before, AND overcome the largest TV audience for any single game in any single year, AND overcome the pressure of being the greatest ever, AND overcoming the pressure of the fallout from the suspension, then to ACTUALLY DO IT - perform at a higher level yourself, and get those around you to play at a higher level - is beyond words.   

How many of you at work say at 4:45, "ah fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow".  Or are at work and say "Well, I would have finished that, but I was waiting for Hokum to finish his piece".  Or say "Well, I would have finished that, but my computer is giving me grief...".   Any of 1,000 excuses.     Brady made none of them, and in real time, with a finite amount of time to do it in, changed that entire game around. 

BEST EVER.

Amen.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: RoeDent on February 06, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
I'm still trying to comprehend what I saw last night. Even though it was well into the small hours here, I was completely captivated and still wide awake when the game finished at c. 3:30am. It was just gripping entertainment. Atlanta's offense in the 2nd quarter was beautiful to watch. And everything just went wrong for New England. They'd get a break (eg. the touchdown), then immediately lose any momentum (missed XP, then botched offside kick). But the way they came back was just mindblowing. A performance for the ages. I wanted Atlanta to win at the beginning, but by the end, I didn't even care. New England thoroughly deserved that championship and every plaudit coming their way atm.

A privilege to watch, and so so worth staying up, and any grogginess I've felt through Monday after 5 hours' sleep. Roll on September, when we do this wonderful thing again!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Cool Chris on February 06, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but I liked Rob Riggle's song on the pregame show, celebrating all the "teams with low rankings." That was more entertaining than anything else on the pregame, or any commercial for that matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKwSYPKCBoE
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2017, 05:15:14 PM
Also, something that sometimes gets missed in the excitement is that those fourth quarter comebacks against Seattle and Atlanta can't happen without the D continually making stops. It's still a team game.

Yep, NE's D should get a lot of props.  Despite Ryan having a great YPA and the Falcons having a high YPC running the ball, they held the highest scoring offense to 21 points and 1 for 8 on 3rd down.  And the Falcons TD drives were all fast, so the Falcons D had no rest all night.  The inability of Atlanta's offense to sustain drives killed their D in the end.  When NE won the coin flip in OT, I texted to everyone I was talking to about the game, "It's over; NE will score a TD; Atlanta's D has nothing left."


And I agree with Kev, Matt Ryan will never make it back to a SB, this was his shot.

Interesting note: the last QB to lose the SB in his first appearance and then make it back was...Jim Kelly (in 1991).  Crazy.

Kraft stuck it to Goodell?  That's unfortunate.  Kraft has always been a classy guy, and I figured he would take the high road there instead of being a gloating knucklehead, but he was probably drunk again. :lol
Certainly not like two weeks ago, but he wasn't a shining beacon of sobriety, either. And he wasn't a dick about it. He basically just said that he had thought two years ago was the sweetest of his SB victories, but after everything they went through, "and everybody knows what we went through," this one's better. And the crowd was far more hostile than any of the Patriots. That was one helluva chorus of boos Roger got.

I watched that when I got home a bit ago (I had it all DVR'd).  I thought it was interesting that when Kraft first started talking, Goodell had a prolonged conversation with Belichick right behind them that looked really friendly.  Belichick was even smiling and laughing at times. 

For as good as the Pats were in the second half the Falcons were that bad. For them not to have expected Belichick not to make adjustments and continue with the same game plan was their downfall. They needed to have (2) plans prepared to go....Again, the Pats earned that victory 100% but that doesn't eliminate the fact that the Falcons choked as well. Execution wise and especially coaching they were outmatched.

They absolutely did NOT "choke."  They got outplayed and had some things go wrong at the end.  Give credit where it is due--to both teams.  Calling it a choke is either laziness, dishonesty, or lack of understanding the game.

I'll admit that I know little about football other than liking to watch it, but I still believe there was quite a bit of butt puckering and tense worry in the players on Atlanta once the Pats started making it a game...it was obvious in the lack of execution in the series not only when Ryan was sacked and fumbled but the series that they were driven out of FG range.

Certainly credit goes to the Pats players and coaches...absolutely. But Atlanta's lack of execution in both those areas can be described as a manner of choking due to having to face the pressure of the mounting comeback.

You are correct.  It was both an epic comeback and an epic choke.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.

There's always been a conversation with Montana, but last night Brady demonstrated the very best quality Joe had which was amazing poise under tremendous pressure. I think the conversation is over.

Eh, to me, Montana is a distant 3rd behind Brady and Manning.  Many get stuck on Montana's 4 rings, while ignoring the fact that Peyton annihilates him everywhere else. Rings matter, but they don't mean everything.


I know this is sort of a bullshit argument, but I think you have to have played sports to understand how good Brady is.  The mental toughness to not only overcome your teams mistakes, but your own (he overthrew Edelman badly on one early play), AND overcome the pressure of a rush that you didn't really see all season long, and overcome the physical punishment of being sacked by a 370-lb. lineman, AND overcome the psychological mountain of a 28-3 score with less than half the game to play, AND overcome the notion of accomplishing not one, not two, but THREE things that no one had ever done before, AND overcome the largest TV audience for any single game in any single year, AND overcome the pressure of being the greatest ever, AND overcoming the pressure of the fallout from the suspension, then to ACTUALLY DO IT - perform at a higher level yourself, and get those around you to play at a higher level - is beyond words.   

How many of you at work say at 4:45, "ah fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow".  Or are at work and say "Well, I would have finished that, but I was waiting for Hokum to finish his piece".  Or say "Well, I would have finished that, but my computer is giving me grief...".   Any of 1,000 excuses.     Brady made none of them, and in real time, with a finite amount of time to do it in, changed that entire game around. 

BEST EVER.

This kind of worship is fun to read, but let's get real.  Brady did not make the comeback all by himself.  It was a team comeback.  One man cannot bring a 53-man football team back from a 25-point deficit.  I think Brady is now the greatest ever, but let's pump the brakes on the "he can move mountains all by himself" analogies.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 06, 2017, 05:19:19 PM
Let me leave you guys with this.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/20170206_165251_zpsiasmcbe1.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/20170206_165251_zpsiasmcbe1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: DragonAttack on February 06, 2017, 05:37:36 PM
^
Touche'

Well, I've got two Raven SB hats (only Pats have more, Steelers / Giants match this century) and a couple of Red Wing Cup hats....

My last year in Michigan, and that scrawny kid led the Wolverines to the Orange Bowl win.  So, I cannot hate, just always respect and admire.

well played :tup)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2017, 06:17:34 PM
Let me leave you guys with this.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/20170206_165251_zpsiasmcbe1.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/20170206_165251_zpsiasmcbe1.jpg.html)

You're gonna leave us with 1970's curtains?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2017, 06:26:37 PM
Let me leave you guys with this.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/20170206_165251_zpsiasmcbe1.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/20170206_165251_zpsiasmcbe1.jpg.html)

Nice.  The one furthest to the right is the best looking one.  And it's too bad none of them have their old logo, which is still one of the most bad ass logos any sports team has ever had.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 06, 2017, 06:33:20 PM
That's the newest one.   They still sell the Pat Patriot logo on hats.  I have a few myself.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
Nice.  The one furthest to the right is the best looking one.  And it's too bad none of them have their old logo, which is still one of the most bad ass logos any sports team has ever had.
That's actually my everyday cap at the moment. You don't find them in stores but any shop will order them.

And by all accounts Brady, Belichick and Goodell were all very pleasant to each other. At the podium he congratulated him and complimented him for the "amazing game," and this morning for the MVP thing they had a friendly handshake after the formalities were done. I doubt he's invited over for Thanksgiving or anything, but they all behaved like decent folk, as expected. While Kraft hinted at the unpleasantness,  he wasn't a dick about it. It did seem like Roger GTFO as soon as he saw where Bob was going, though.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 06, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
They all played it well.  Let's just remember Goodell is the lackey for the owners.   I'd love to make the money he makes as a shield for the jealous, rich, petty owners.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Cable on February 06, 2017, 08:20:38 PM


I know this is sort of a bullshit argument, but I think you have to have played sports to understand how good Brady is.  The mental toughness to not only overcome your teams mistakes, but your own (he overthrew Edelman badly on one early play), AND overcome the pressure of a rush that you didn't really see all season long, and overcome the physical punishment of being sacked by a 370-lb. lineman, AND overcome the psychological mountain of a 28-3 score with less than half the game to play, AND overcome the notion of accomplishing not one, not two, but THREE things that no one had ever done before, AND overcome the largest TV audience for any single game in any single year, AND overcome the pressure of being the greatest ever, AND overcoming the pressure of the fallout from the suspension, then to ACTUALLY DO IT - perform at a higher level yourself, and get those around you to play at a higher level - is beyond words.   

How many of you at work say at 4:45, "ah fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow".  Or are at work and say "Well, I would have finished that, but I was waiting for Hokum to finish his piece".  Or say "Well, I would have finished that, but my computer is giving me grief...".   Any of 1,000 excuses.     Brady made none of them, and in real time, with a finite amount of time to do it in, changed that entire game around. 

BEST EVER.

This kind of worship is fun to read, but let's get real.  Brady did not make the comeback all by himself.  It was a team comeback.  One man cannot bring a 53-man football team back from a 25-point deficit.  I think Brady is now the greatest ever, but let's pump the brakes on the "he can move mountains all by himself" analogies.


Agreed Kev. The defense adjusted and got timely pressure, the o-line adjusted, different WRs got involved, and no more TOs. And even with all of that, Gostkowski and/or Allen could have made more costly errors that would have sealed it for ATL.

I get where you are going Stadler with Brady and his preparation. He likely prepares so much that he can be more relaxed, and focus on just playing. Anyone focusing on all those details would be crushed. So the one play at a time cliche. I think a better analogy would be a surgical or ER team, or maybe even musicians. A project for a client, a piece of software, or a study can have tons of hours dumped into it especially near a deadline. The surgical team must act right now, and not mess up to the best of their ability. Same with a musician- no more cramming practice in when it's show time. Now if we talk about the presentation of a project for a client, a software show, or a symposium on findings. That is more comparable to Brady and his team in that moment.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots vs. Falcons
Post by: DragonAttack on February 06, 2017, 09:02:33 PM

The decisions by the Falcon coaching staff were FAR worse than what people blame Carroll and Seattle for two years ago.  THAT was a spectacular play by the NE DB.  This, ....this,..... was a bunch of clusterflucker playcalls that led to them punting, and putting the game on the line in the hands of 'The Master'.

Let's not get crazy. Seattle throwing in that spot was the single worst play call in Super Bowl history, if not in the history of professional sports.

Crazy?  Sorry, but, no.  It is my opinion, and simply differs.  If Butler doesn’t hold onto that pass for the INT, Seattle still has 3rd and goal at the one.  And, I have heard, and read, and totally understand why the Seahawks did what they did at the time.  As to Butler:  somehow, the kid held onto the ball after he was drilled, on a play NE had schooled him over and over on in their practice squad games and through their SB pregame setups.  I've seen the backdrop of THAT PLAY.  So, I don’t think the call was the craziest.  Against another team, it succeeds. Or....it's incomplete, and 3rd down still awaits.

As to this SB……
Atlanta could have simply run two more plays, up the middle, or wide left or right, made NE burn their TOs, kicked a FG from inside of 45 yards, and been up by 11 with under three left and no timeouts.  What they did after second down were TWO of the most boneheaded calls, back to back.  (oh, and I’m sure John Harbaugh bashers would be raking him at the coals had he made THOSE calls….agreed?)

Worst decision ever:  Chuck Noll NOT punting late in Super Bowl X.  I understood the decision later on, since three of their punts were almost blocked….but to give Staubach all of those scoring opportunities inside of the 40 at the end was crazy.  Yet, it worked.
 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2017, 04:00:26 AM
Yeah, during the 2 weeks of prep against Seattle the Pats practiced on the 3 corner set up with that exact play Seattle ran.  That play was all about knowing tendencies.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2017, 06:44:19 AM

I know this is sort of a bullshit argument, but I think you have to have played sports to understand how good Brady is.  The mental toughness to not only overcome your teams mistakes, but your own (he overthrew Edelman badly on one early play), AND overcome the pressure of a rush that you didn't really see all season long, and overcome the physical punishment of being sacked by a 370-lb. lineman, AND overcome the psychological mountain of a 28-3 score with less than half the game to play, AND overcome the notion of accomplishing not one, not two, but THREE things that no one had ever done before, AND overcome the largest TV audience for any single game in any single year, AND overcome the pressure of being the greatest ever, AND overcoming the pressure of the fallout from the suspension, then to ACTUALLY DO IT - perform at a higher level yourself, and get those around you to play at a higher level - is beyond words.   

How many of you at work say at 4:45, "ah fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow".  Or are at work and say "Well, I would have finished that, but I was waiting for Hokum to finish his piece".  Or say "Well, I would have finished that, but my computer is giving me grief...".   Any of 1,000 excuses.     Brady made none of them, and in real time, with a finite amount of time to do it in, changed that entire game around. 

BEST EVER.

This kind of worship is fun to read, but let's get real.  Brady did not make the comeback all by himself.  It was a team comeback.  One man cannot bring a 53-man football team back from a 25-point deficit.  I think Brady is now the greatest ever, but let's pump the brakes on the "he can move mountains all by himself" analogies.

Except... there's a thing called the "clubhouse".  And while I conceded it was sort of a dick argument, it's why I said you have to play sports to kind of get this, but while it takes 53 men to actually execute, on many teams - and the Pats are one of them - 52 follow their leader.    Notice that once Brady calmed down, beat the rush, and got hot...
- there was less pressure on him (because the O-line stepped up)
- Edelman not only didn't have any more drops, but made arguably the catch of the game?
- Amendola stepped up and became a factor
- Lewis stepped up and became a factor
- Bennett stepped up and became a factor

The only guy that really didn't elevate his game was Blount, and that's only because Belichick took the ball from him after he put it on the ground. 

It even had an influence when he was off the field.  Everyone knew - or at least felt - that now that Tommy Football was hitting his stride, the score didn't matter, and it was only a question of whether they had enough time left.   Single players - the great ones - can do that sort of thing.   Some players are just winners.  They KNOW how to win, and how to get guys around them to win.   Mark Messier is another.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Podaar on February 07, 2017, 06:49:14 AM
No love for Mitchell, Stadler? I felt like they could have, and should have thrown to him more.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2017, 07:03:26 AM
No, actually, just the opposite.   He played great, and is another example.  Brady had the confidence to throw to him - to play the full Patriot offense - and it showed. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 07, 2017, 07:18:40 AM
Except... there's a thing called the "clubhouse".  And while I conceded it was sort of a dick argument, it's why I said you have to play sports to kind of get this, but while it takes 53 men to actually execute, on many teams - and the Pats are one of them - 52 follow their leader.    Notice that once Brady calmed down, beat the rush, and got hot...
- there was less pressure on him (because the O-line stepped up)
- Edelman not only didn't have any more drops, but made arguably the catch of the game?
- Amendola stepped up and became a factor
- Lewis stepped up and became a factor
- Bennett stepped up and became a factor

The only guy that really didn't elevate his game was Blount, and that's only because Belichick took the ball from him after he put it on the ground. 

It even had an influence when he was off the field.  Everyone knew - or at least felt - that now that Tommy Football was hitting his stride, the score didn't matter, and it was only a question of whether they had enough time left.   Single players - the great ones - can do that sort of thing.   Some players are just winners.  They KNOW how to win, and how to get guys around them to win.   Mark Messier is another.

Eh, I get what you are trying to say Stads, your basically trying to describe intangibles like "leadership". At the end of the day though, leadership is exactly that, intangible. I could make the argument that Brady starting playing better because he was led to play better from his o-line standing up and playing better, or his WRs actually catching balls. I get what you are trying to say, it's just intangible, and hard to measure. I'd credit more of that comeback to Brady's skill set and athletic ability than I would leadership.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2017, 07:33:11 AM
That's understood.  Brady is the big cog that everybody runs off of.  Kev can we agree that even though Peyton's arm was dead last year his mind still as sharp as ever and with the help of the great D they had they won the SB.  It's showed this year that they needed Peyton's mind.

I see the same with Brady.  His mind is his greatest weapon. Keep in on his feet and he'll have you in any game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: DragonAttack on February 07, 2017, 09:43:44 AM
NE didn't panic offensively, because they were moving the ball.  When it was 28-3, I still thought the final score would be along the lines of 38-28.  The 'D' stopped the Falcons after the failed onside kick, created a turnover later, and then did the seemingly impossible when it was 28-20, when Atlanta did their brain farts.

btw....How about James White?  Three TDs.  Did I hear correctly, only 33 snaps in their prior two playoff games?  He was on the field for 63 snaps in the SB.  Another unknown.

Enjoying a couple of days off after beaucoup OT the previous two weeks.  Was able to watch the 2nd half twice.  I'll just comment as to the game presentation:  First, I hate, hate, HATE .....that the camera angle in the SBs now switches from the goal line when the ball is inside the 10.  I would ALWAYS prefer the angle to be from the 50 towards the line of scrimmage.  One can miss a single play, come back in the room, and think a team lost 10 yards instead of gaining 15, because the line of site is switched.

And,...I'll give Buck and Aikman an A-.  They were really, really (grudgingly stated) really good.  My angst towards Joe relates to his comments on not being that excited doing baseball.....and that he is absolutely atrocious trying to do golf (he should let someone else take that gig).  But, this is a pretty good team for football.  Unlike Sims and Collingsworth (who I like and respect, but....), Aikman didn't overtalk.  Not even close.  There were actually times when there was a ton of silence.  They let us ENJOY the game, without telling us we HAD to.  I never once said 'Shut up, Troy!'  Kudos for that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 07, 2017, 10:01:51 AM
Still don't like New England, but I have to agree that now it is reasonable and accurate to consider Brady the greatest QB ever.  Very, very hard to argue with that proposition.

Belichik is a genius, as we knew.

But still, if Atlanta hadn't choked, I don't think the comeback would have been complete.  They really dorked it around 4 minutes or so left, when NE had cut the lead to 28-20.  If they had run it a time or two once they got into field goal range, they could have padded the lead a little with a FG.  But the sack and then the penalty killed them there.

Oh well.  It always takes a little luck.  It was just terrible to see the Falcons crumble like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: pogoowner on February 07, 2017, 10:09:49 AM
And,...I'll give Buck and Aikman an A-.  They were really, really (grudgingly stated) really good.  My angst towards Joe relates to his comments on not being that excited doing baseball.....and that he is absolutely atrocious trying to do golf (he should let someone else take that gig).  But, this is a pretty good team for football.  Unlike Sims and Collingsworth (who I like and respect, but....), Aikman didn't overtalk.  Not even close.  There were actually times when there was a ton of silence.  They let us ENJOY the game, without telling us we HAD to.  I never once said 'Shut up, Troy!'  Kudos for that.
Yeah, Buck/Aikman did a good job. I like Michaels/Collinsworth a lot, but Cris does overtalk occasionally. Don't get me started on Nantz/Simms. Simms is a total blockhead, and I don't know how Nantz even puts up with him.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 07, 2017, 10:23:27 AM

btw....How about James White?  Three TDs.  Did I hear correctly, only 33 snaps in their prior two playoff games?  He was on the field for 63 snaps in the SB.  Another unknown.
White's been their pass catching back since Shane Vereen left. It's unusual to see him run much, barring injury, but he's been a key component for a couple of years. The thing about NE is that you never actually know what their RB situation will be game to game, but if running interests them they usually find the player that works, be it Blount, White or Lewis. Sunday it was White that had it working. That's why it's easy for a NE RB to go under somebody's radar.

What I don't get is the role reversal of Blount and Lewis over the last few weeks. Blount has been their off-tackle guy while Lewis runs up the middle. I don't get it, and it didn't seem to be working much, either. Also, with White filling the role we haven't seen Lewis catching passes, which is where he was most dangerous last year. You get that kid the ball in space and he'll get some yardage every time.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Cool Chris on February 07, 2017, 10:50:37 AM
Well there is no way ATL is making it back to the SB now.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18637687/steve-sarkisian-next-offensive-coordinator-atlanta-falcons
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
Couple thoughts:  love Collinsworth/Michaels.   Like Simms, I ABHOR Jim Nantz.  I think he blows, and have thought that since his call (with Billy Packer) of the Duke - UConn NCAA Champeenship, when UConn beat Duke, and to hear Packer and Nantz call it, the Huns just invaded the palace.  You'd've thought someone just told him his daughter was knocked up.

I find this interesting:

Pete Carroll defies conventional wisdom, goes against his strength (Marshawn Lynch) and tries to cross up the Pats with a goal-line pass...  INT, game over.

Dan Quinn learns his lesson (he was a Seattle coach at the time of the above), sticks to his strength (Matty-Ice and their passing game) and...  sack, game, if not over, then fundamentally changed.   

 

Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2017, 11:32:59 AM
Both perfectly legit calls.  I can't really have much respect for the view that either constitutes a "choke" somehow.  Just seems like a feeble attempt to explain away the fact that someone didn't like who won/lost.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2017, 12:39:43 PM
Still don't like New England, but I have to agree that now it is reasonable and accurate to consider Brady the greatest QB ever.  Very, very hard to argue with that proposition.

Belichik is a genius, as we knew.

But still, if Atlanta hadn't choked, I don't think the comeback would have been complete.  They really dorked it around 4 minutes or so left, when NE had cut the lead to 28-20.  If they had run it a time or two once they got into field goal range, they could have padded the lead a little with a FG.  But the sack and then the penalty killed them there.

Oh well.  It always takes a little luck.  It was just terrible to see the Falcons crumble like that.

All they had to do was run on 3 plays and either get a first down, kick a field goal or the Pats use their time outs which accomplishes 2 things at the same time.  I get they haven't play much like that all year by playing it safe but at that time you should have made it a 2 score game.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Cool Chris on February 07, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
I ABHOR Jim Nantz.  I think he blows, and have thought that since his call (with Billy Packer) of the Duke - UConn NCAA Champeenship, when UConn beat Duke, and to hear Packer and Nantz call it, the Huns just invaded the palace.  You'd've thought someone just told him his daughter was knocked up.

Billy Packer was downright awful. Nantz is much better on broadcasts without him, as anyone would be.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 07, 2017, 12:46:48 PM
Both perfectly legit calls.  I can't really have much respect for the view that either constitutes a "choke" somehow.  Just seems like a feeble attempt to explain away the fact that someone didn't like who won/lost.
I agree. Sometimes you stand on 20 and lost to a dealer showing a 4. No problem at all with Carroll, and the issue with Atlanta was more about Ryan taking a sack than the play calling. Oh, and one boneheaded penalty after another.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Podaar on February 07, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2017, 03:02:07 PM
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Should have added something like "and you only have 20 minutes left to do it" or whatever amount of time was left :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2017, 03:05:01 PM
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 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2017, 04:35:49 PM
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This is on my phone. :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2017, 06:10:14 PM
Both perfectly legit calls.  I can't really have much respect for the view that either constitutes a "choke" somehow.  Just seems like a feeble attempt to explain away the fact that someone didn't like who won/lost.

Bosk, I'm with you, and that was my point in putting that up there.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and the only common denominator in both is that Matt Patricia saw it coming and his defense made the play they needed to make. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2017, 06:58:38 PM
That's understood.  Brady is the big cog that everybody runs off of.  Kev can we agree that even though Peyton's arm was dead last year his mind still as sharp as ever and with the help of the great D they had they won the SB.  It's showed this year that they needed Peyton's mind.

I see the same with Brady.  His mind is his greatest weapon. Keep in on his feet and he'll have you in any game.

Agreed, on all accounts. 

I just laugh when people say that the Broncos won the Super Bowl last year in spite of Manning.  No, Manning wasn't the player physically he used to be, but he still made tons of plays that helped them with his brain.  And yeah, they missed that this year.  Siemian had good numbers overall, but he doesn't have the brain Manning does to walk up the line, see what the defense is showing, and then audible to another play based on what they are showing. 

Same thing with Brady.  Some like to say, "Yeah, but he is throwing short passes to guys who are always open," but a) they are open a lot because he gets them into a play call that works in their favor, and b) he can often find the open man pretty quickly.

It's a reason why they are the two best quarterbacks ever.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2017, 07:41:12 PM
 :tup

It's too bad the neck injury shortened his career.   I also find it weird that knowing the injury that Denver aired it out so much his first few years.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
Well, he still played 17 full NFL seasons; that is pretty stellar.  Only two quarterbacks EVER have played more NFL games than Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2017, 04:16:19 AM
He was still at such a high level though. I though he could still continue at that level.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2017, 05:47:33 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18643426/atlanta-falcons-richard-smith-not-returning-defensive-coordinator

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Falcons defensive coordinator Richard Smith will not continue in that role following Atlanta's historic collapse in Super Bowl LI, The Sporting News is reporting.

The website, citing sources, reported late Tuesday that Smith could be moved to another staff position, although it did not have details. Sporting News also reported that Bryan Cox will be replaced as defensive line coach.

The Falcons led the New England Patriots 28-3 early in the second half of Sunday's game but surrendered 31 consecutive points in a 34-28 overtime loss.


Wow! Scapegoat much?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 05:49:52 AM
Yeah, I just saw that. That is ridiculous. Earlier in the thread, I said the Falcons could be back in the SB next year. I take that back. That is bush league. Their defense was pretty good. But they got gassed late.
NO defense in the NFL can hang with the Patriots for 93 plays.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 08, 2017, 07:35:49 AM
Well yeah, if you can't keep Brady off the field then the D gets gassed which you can pretty much blame on the offense.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2017, 08:06:06 AM
That's understood.  Brady is the big cog that everybody runs off of.  Kev can we agree that even though Peyton's arm was dead last year his mind still as sharp as ever and with the help of the great D they had they won the SB.  It's showed this year that they needed Peyton's mind.

I see the same with Brady.  His mind is his greatest weapon. Keep in on his feet and he'll have you in any game.

Agreed, on all accounts. 

I just laugh when people say that the Broncos won the Super Bowl last year in spite of Manning.  No, Manning wasn't the player physically he used to be, but he still made tons of plays that helped them with his brain.  And yeah, they missed that this year.  Siemian had good numbers overall, but he doesn't have the brain Manning does to walk up the line, see what the defense is showing, and then audible to another play based on what they are showing. 

Same thing with Brady.  Some like to say, "Yeah, but he is throwing short passes to guys who are always open," but a) they are open a lot because he gets them into a play call that works in their favor, and b) he can often find the open man pretty quickly.

It's a reason why they are the two best quarterbacks ever.  :tup :tup

And to add to that, I don't think it is accurate at all to say he just throws to "open" receivers.  There were plenty of plays in this Super Bowl where his man was not "open," but Brady "threw him open," as the expression goes.  In other words, the coverage was pretty tight, but Brady put the ball in a place where, once the ball was in the air, the covered receiver was able to break away and make a move on the ball because of both the receiver's position on the defender and the position of the throw.  That takes both talent on the part of the QB and coaching/practice/discipline on the part of the receiver/BP combo. 

Manning had some of that as well.  Yeah, he may not have been able to throw many Elway fastballs.  But he wasn't only throwing up ducks to wide open guys the whole season either.  He was executing plays where he knew where to put the ball to allow his receivers to make plays.  That is every bit the hallmark of a great QB as being able to throw with some heat.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2017, 09:54:20 AM
I'm pretty sure it was Aikman that said it, and it might have been about Ryan, but I'm also pretty sure it was about Brady on a pass to Amendola late, but he said that Brady "threw his received open", meaning, the coverage was good, but the ball was thrown in the one spot that a) the receiver could make a play on it, and b) the defender couldn't, without commited (or getting away with) a penalty.  I really liked that phrase a lot, and I think it applies to a good portion of the Pats offense.  They don't need Julio Jones, they just need quick, disciplined guys to run the routes and be where Brady thinks they will be.   The only guy with real breakout speed is Hogan, but even he runs excellent routes underneath.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
What's really glaring is the lack of truly great head coaches in the NFL right now.  Yeah, everyone looks feeble compared to Belichick, but it used to be, you could look at the NFL and list at least 4-5 coaches would most call great.  Nowadays, besides Belichick, who is a truly great head coach?  Maybe Pete Carroll.  And that's it. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: pogoowner on February 08, 2017, 07:12:51 PM
Well Harbaugh has generally been listed near the top as well. They've lost a lot of personnel and had major injury problems the past few years, but if we see a Ravens resurgence, people will no doubt be listing him right at the top again.

The other guy that comes to mind is Andy Reid. Obviously he has his time management issues, but his teams have consistently been in contention for a very, very long time now.

I think people were ready to consider Bruce Arians in the "great" category as well, but Arizona had a down year.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 07:16:36 PM
I think Reid and Harbaugh are the next best two, but I wouldn't call either "truly great."   Fair or not, Reid needs a Super Bowl win to get into that category (or to make four straight like Marv Levy did), and the Ravens haven't been much of a powerhouse since their title win four years ago, so a bit of the shine is off Harbaugh.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Dream Team on February 09, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
Yeah, I just saw that. That is ridiculous. Earlier in the thread, I said the Falcons could be back in the SB next year. I take that back. That is bush league. Their defense was pretty good. But they got gassed late.
NO defense in the NFL can hang with the Patriots for 93 plays.

Totally. The Falcons O is 100% responsible for the gag job, including the horrific clock management.

Somewhat shockingly, I have discovered I have inadvertently become a Brady fan. For one thing, to me it seems he has toughened up his image a little over the last few years (minus that leg-warmer look). No more goofy haircuts and the whining for roughing flags seems to be a lot rarer. That was a reason other teams' forums called him Marcia Brady or Tom Lady. The other thing is that I like the way he handles criticism and adversity by taking the high road most of the time (not perfectly of course, like Belichick he has a tendency toward smugness). Lastly, not all of his emotional displays are appreciated but I was definitely feeling how much he cared for his parents during the SB coverage. It's obviously a very different dynamic being raised with 3 older sisters than having a bunch of brothers like Peyton did, which is probably one reason he wears his heart on his sleeve.

I keep going back to how crazy that game was. Do people realize how many things had to go wrong for the Falcons to lose, and every single one of them did? It's mind-boggling. How does Dan Quinn still have a job? Some of his players must be furious over his game management bungles.

I wonder if Belichick wants to coach long enough to prove he can win a SB without Brady?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 07:29:14 AM
What's really glaring is the lack of truly great head coaches in the NFL right now.  Yeah, everyone looks feeble compared to Belichick, but it used to be, you could look at the NFL and list at least 4-5 coaches would most call great.  Nowadays, besides Belichick, who is a truly great head coach?  Maybe Pete Carroll.  And that's it.

I'd say there are two things shocking right now in the NFL in this vein. The lack of great head coaches and the lack of great quarterbacks.

I know Tom just won the SB, but he's going to be 40, he probably won't play for much longer, I can tell you Ben is already thinking about retiring, he probably will do so sooner rather than later. If those two guys retire, you are left with Rogers as the only great QB in the league, a couple real good guys like Ryan, Carr, Stafford, Luck, Dak, etc... but after that the rest of the league (for the most part) sucks at the most important position.

Just goes to show you that college programs are not prepping these QBs to play in the NFL. As a result, the NFL's product is getting worse.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2017, 07:55:49 AM
I think that last comment is accurate.  The college game is moving toward that "great athlete, not necessarily a great quarterback" at the position, as opposed to the "great quarterback, not necessarily a great athlete" model. 

The NFL game is too complex, too fast, too physical (look at Robert Griffin III; how Andrew Luck has been beat up) for that style of QB to create a career like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.   One of the beautiful aspects of the Belichick model is that even though it's a system, for the most part he doesn't have to worry about plugging and playing his QB.   That is the KEY to the Belichick system.  I get that everyone is saying that Brady is a "system QB", and (wrongly, in my view) pointing to the 3-1 start without him as proof of that (that was not sustainable, and anyone who saw the simplicity of that fourth game plan knows that),  but he can't plug in/out like he does with Lewis/White/Blount, and/or Amendola/Edelman/Mitchell/Hogan, etc. 
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 09, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
The NFL moved towards the Athletic Athlete as well but the most important thing for a QB is the brain to process what he sees not the legs which should only be a bonus if you have the athleticism.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 09, 2017, 08:19:26 AM
What's really glaring is the lack of truly great head coaches in the NFL right now.  Yeah, everyone looks feeble compared to Belichick, but it used to be, you could look at the NFL and list at least 4-5 coaches would most call great.  Nowadays, besides Belichick, who is a truly great head coach?  Maybe Pete Carroll.  And that's it.
After his last super bowl I rank Carroll as elite. Easily. The only thing people remember is that he should have run on second down (wrongly, IMO), but the final minutes of that game were a freaking pressure cooker and the thought processes both coaches had going on was truly astonishing. Very few people can operate effectively in situations of high pressure like that. Certainly not many NFL coaches. Where he loses points in my book is in player discipline. He's got some huge egos on that team and he's not particularly effective at keeping them in check. He did well at holding them together this year, though.

The great quarterbacks thing is interesting. With the exception of Rogers, who was anointed the new Jesus before he ever even played, it takes a while for a player to reach the elite level. I don't really see anybody on that path. Wilson might still get there, but yeah, it's looking like when the remaining big three retire that's it for a while.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 09:02:27 AM
I think that last comment is accurate.  The college game is moving toward that "great athlete, not necessarily a great quarterback" at the position, as opposed to the "great quarterback, not necessarily a great athlete" model. 

The NFL game is too complex, too fast, too physical (look at Robert Griffin III; how Andrew Luck has been beat up) for that style of QB to create a career like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.   One of the beautiful aspects of the Belichick model is that even though it's a system, for the most part he doesn't have to worry about plugging and playing his QB.   That is the KEY to the Belichick system.  I get that everyone is saying that Brady is a "system QB", and (wrongly, in my view) pointing to the 3-1 start without him as proof of that (that was not sustainable, and anyone who saw the simplicity of that fourth game plan knows that),  but he can't plug in/out like he does with Lewis/White/Blount, and/or Amendola/Edelman/Mitchell/Hogan, etc.

The NFL moved towards the Athletic Athlete as well but the most important thing for a QB is the brain to process what he sees not the legs which should only be a bonus if you have the athleticism.

Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with the systems of offense. College programs tend to run offenses that require different things from QBs than NFL systems do.

I hate to bring him up, cause he's almost a cliche at this point, but Tebow was the perfect example. Was great in college, good athlete figured out how to win without really ever developing into a good pocket QB. He gets to the NFL and well... we all know the rest.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2017, 09:26:27 AM
Well, contrary to popular belief, college football is not a farm league for the NFL.  The primary job of a college coach is NOT to prepare his players for the NFL - it's to win games and championships in college.

Sure, NFL success can be a good recruiting tool.  But that's gravy.  College coaches are going to go with what is best for their program, not what is best for the NFL.  They are also largely copycats, so since some programs have had success with more athletic QBs, that has been the direction a lot of them have gone lately.  It will swing back again.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2017, 09:32:58 AM
Well, contrary to popular belief, college football is not a farm league for the NFL.  The primary job of a college coach is NOT to prepare his players for the NFL - it's to win games and championships in college.

Sure, NFL success can be a good recruiting tool.  But that's gravy.  College coaches are going to go with what is best for their program, not what is best for the NFL.  They are also largely copycats, so since some programs have had success with more athletic QBs, that has been the direction a lot of them have gone lately.  It will swing back again.

No, no, I get that.   Lou Saban has an empire to run like anyone else in that position.  I get it.  I would have thought, though, that the players would demand a little more foresight.  Andrew Luck did.  Is it the standard athlete's arrogance that has a Robert Griffin III still thinking he can take on a 275 pound linebacker without having to carry his tibia to the sideline in a ziplock bag?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2017, 10:02:43 AM
Who is Lou Saban?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 09, 2017, 10:05:11 AM
The NFL will be debuting its Developmental League in 2017. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: pogoowner on February 09, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
The NFL will be debuting its Developmental League in 2017. Should be interesting.
Just to be clear, last I heard, they don't actually have any affiliation with the NFL, and it's just 4 teams playing a short slate of games in Southern California. And I don't think it starts until 2018.

Edit: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/01/11/pacific-pro-football-league-developmental-college-ed-mccaffrey/96416744/
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 10:29:03 AM
Well, contrary to popular belief, college football is not a farm league for the NFL.  The primary job of a college coach is NOT to prepare his players for the NFL - it's to win games and championships in college.

Sure, NFL success can be a good recruiting tool.  But that's gravy.  College coaches are going to go with what is best for their program, not what is best for the NFL.  They are also largely copycats, so since some programs have had success with more athletic QBs, that has been the direction a lot of them have gone lately.  It will swing back again.

Yup, I agree that should be the priority for college programs, I wasn't saying colleges should change what they are doing to be a development league, I was just saying it seems like there aren't many good QBs that have come out of good college programs lately because the systems are different, that's all.

That all being said, I'd much rather see talented high school football players go into a development league rather than college and then work their way into football. Basically, something similar to baseball or hockey. In those sports you can play for a college if you want, or you can actually get paid and play in and environmental that balances wanting to win with developing players to make the next steps in their careers.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
Who is Lou Saban?

You know who he is.  ;)

(That's my bad; I meant Nick Saban, but am just showing my age.  Lou Saban - likely not related, though Nick's dad's name is "Nick Lou Saban" - was a pro football coach in the '70's.)

Trivia about Lou Saban:  he was the first coach of the then Boston Patriots - now the New England Patriots - in the old AFL.   
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2017, 01:27:55 PM
Who is Lou Saban?

You know who he is.  ;)
Just fuckin' with ya, partner.  :tup
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: PowerSlave on February 09, 2017, 01:50:29 PM
I thought that he was getting him mixed up with Lou Holtz. Everyone that I know above the age of 40 (very much including myself) fucks up names on a regular basis.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 09, 2017, 07:59:05 PM
Watching the Inside The NFL Superbowl edition was electric.  So many goosebump moments.   I love hearing the players and coaches speak.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 09, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
What's really glaring is the lack of truly great head coaches in the NFL right now.  Yeah, everyone looks feeble compared to Belichick, but it used to be, you could look at the NFL and list at least 4-5 coaches would most call great.  Nowadays, besides Belichick, who is a truly great head coach?  Maybe Pete Carroll.  And that's it.
After his last super bowl I rank Carroll as elite. Easily. The only thing people remember is that he should have run on second down (wrongly, IMO), but the final minutes of that game were a freaking pressure cooker and the thought processes both coaches had going on was truly astonishing. Very few people can operate effectively in situations of high pressure like that. Certainly not many NFL coaches. Where he loses points in my book is in player discipline. He's got some huge egos on that team and he's not particularly effective at keeping them in check. He did well at holding them together this year, though.

The great quarterbacks thing is interesting. With the exception of Rogers, who was anointed the new Jesus before he ever even played, it takes a while for a player to reach the elite level. I don't really see anybody on that path. Wilson might still get there, but yeah, it's looking like when the remaining big three retire that's it for a while.

I think Wilson is already elite. I put him around 3 or 4 in the QB rankings, alongside Brees, and below Rodgers and Brady (who are clearly the top two). 

But I think there are a few young QBs who could be elite very soon - Carr, Mariotta, Prescott, Winston, Luck (if we can still consider him a young QB).
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Cool Chris on February 09, 2017, 09:12:27 PM
Watching the Inside The NFL Superbowl edition was electric.  So many goosebump moments.   I love hearing the players and coaches speak.

The "Mic'ed Up' thing is pretty cool.

Heard something interesting from Jason La Confora the other day. He was saying in the 3rd quarter when the Pats were moving the ball, but not with any sense of urgency, in real time he was wondering if Belichick told McDaniels to just control the ball and time of possession, to avoid being blown out. Obviously a moot point now. But an interesting thought.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2017, 05:57:12 AM
I'm not sure I believe that.  They always play 60 minutes and he always coaches his teams to not give up.  I'm thinking that they already had the time of possession on this team.  They were wearing them down and it was evident in the 4th quarter.  Atlanta was gassed by the 4th.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 10, 2017, 07:15:54 AM
I think Wilson is already elite. I put him around 3 or 4 in the QB rankings, alongside Brees, and below Rodgers and Brady (who are clearly the top two). 

But I think there are a few young QBs who could be elite very soon - Carr, Mariotta, Prescott, Winston, Luck (if we can still consider him a young QB).

I think you and I have different definitions of "elite QBs".
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 12:59:20 PM
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Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: El Barto on February 10, 2017, 01:44:54 PM
And here we have a member of the band whose ideas I do agree with.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 10, 2017, 02:48:55 PM
 :lol

Awesome!
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 03:43:41 PM
NICE!!

 :metal
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
Heard something interesting from Jason La Confora the other day. He was saying in the 3rd quarter when the Pats were moving the ball, but not with any sense of urgency, in real time he was wondering if Belichick told McDaniels to just control the ball and time of possession, to avoid being blown out. Obviously a moot point now. But an interesting thought.

I would say that is more of a ridiculous thought than an interesting one.  :lol :P
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Cool Chris on February 10, 2017, 09:40:37 PM
He said it was a quick thought in real time, not one he held on to for long.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2017, 07:06:50 AM
He said it was a quick thought in real time, not one he held on to for long.

Makes sense, but I probably would have kept a thought that foolish to myself, if I were him. :lol :lol

Leaving other QBs out of the convo for a minute here, I think it's funny seeing some still try to argue that Montana was better than Brady all-time.  I've thought Brady was ahead of him for a while now anyway, but after last week, it's case closed now, IMO.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2017, 07:34:30 AM
And can we please stop asking athletes if newer generations are better than them?  We all know to be the best you have to be self centered and a big ego.  No one is humble.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2017, 01:54:47 PM
And can we please stop asking athletes if newer generations are better than them?  We all know to be the best you have to be self centered and a big ego.  No one is humble.

True, but even if some would say it is fake, a little humility is always nice.  Not everyone is going to be an ass like Ricky Henderson, proclaiming himself the best ever second after breaking a record.
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2017, 02:04:06 PM
I agree but what they say and what they really say are two different things. The a-holes can't help themselves. :lol
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2017, 07:37:16 AM
Heard something interesting from Jason La Confora the other day. He was saying in the 3rd quarter when the Pats were moving the ball, but not with any sense of urgency, in real time he was wondering if Belichick told McDaniels to just control the ball and time of possession, to avoid being blown out. Obviously a moot point now. But an interesting thought.

I would say that is more of a ridiculous thought than an interesting one.  :lol :P

Who?
Title: Re: 2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell
Post by: bosk1 on February 13, 2017, 10:44:52 AM
Since we have a new one, no point in keeping this thread open.

New one here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49579.0