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Title: Live dvd?
Post by: Architeuthis on February 04, 2016, 11:40:13 AM
Sorry if this has all ready been mentioned, but I wonder if DT will be filming for a live dvd/blu Ray of The Astonishing in Europe or U.S. this tour??
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Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
I am not aware of them saying anything about doing one, but I would be shocked if they did not.
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Post by: Chino on February 04, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
I would be incredibly surprised if we didn't get one with a full orchestra and choir.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 04, 2016, 12:32:03 PM
I would be incredibly surprised if we didn't get one with a full orchestra and choir.

I would be too.

A Dramatic Turn of Events rolls out:

"Mangini joined the band... there has to be a DVD to showcase him!"

Dream Theater rolls out:

"We play with the Berkley orchestra on the last song and encore... we have to film it"

The Astonishing rolls out, a massive double concept album and a rock opera with orchestra, choirs, whatelse and whatnot performed live in its entirety in beautiful theaters across the world:

"Nah, whatever"


Quite unlikely.
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Post by: Chino on February 04, 2016, 12:42:07 PM
The best part about it is that there's be no repeat tracks from past releases.
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Post by: TheAtliator on February 04, 2016, 01:57:19 PM
Yea!! I think it'll happen! The scary question that remains is, at what point are they going to have a great album or tour where they don't make a DVD (like BC&SL) just because they've done so many? I fear that point, but I don't think this tour will be it.
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Post by: SwedishGoose on February 04, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
This tour really begs for a multi angle Blueray.....
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Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2016, 03:50:08 PM
I'd imagine a blu ray that has the concert with cuts to the video that'll go along showing the story and then a bonus feature of just watching the video along with the live music.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: Architeuthis on February 04, 2016, 04:24:25 PM
I'd imagine a blu ray that has the concert with cuts to the video that'll go along showing the story and then a bonus feature of just watching the video along with the live music.
That would be awesomen, perhaps with a making of TA album behind the scenes.
It think it might be wise if they are keeping quiet about filming right now, so it doesn't divert attention from actually going and seeing them on tour.
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Post by: SwedishGoose on February 04, 2016, 10:37:21 PM
I think the european tour is pretty much sold out now... a few tickets here and there left, so announcing that they will do a DVD would not really affect the tour.
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Post by: Mladen on February 05, 2016, 03:15:40 AM
I'll go out on a limb and say that I'd love a DVD from this tour, but please, no orchestra this time around. They've already done that twice. This should be captured the way it is performed all around the world - no special different additions.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 05, 2016, 03:23:49 AM
I can see an interactive live/animation dvd, possibly with an orchestra and choir. But logistically this woud probably be hell to direct and record. Sort of like the live Operation Mindcrime dvd they put out. 
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Post by: The Curious Orange on February 05, 2016, 05:19:27 AM
I kind of hope they don't do it with orchestra and choir. I'm kind of bored of that gimmick now.
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Post by: Chino on February 05, 2016, 06:18:00 AM
I kind of hope they don't do it with orchestra and choir. I'm kind of bored of that gimmick now.

It sucks because if there was a ever a live DT performance that warranted it, it's this one. I don't understand why they felt the need to have one on the last release.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 05, 2016, 07:27:32 AM
Octavarium was recorded with an orchestra, Illumination was recorded with an orchestra and choir, The Astonishing was recorded with an orchestra and choir... that's how those songs were meant to be heard.  I want that live on a blu ray, heck I want it live on tour even though I know that is not a reality. 
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 05, 2016, 09:35:18 AM
I think an Orchestra would be quite appropriate.  I surely don't see them playing with an Orchestra or Choir a "Gimmick"  It's how the music was written.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 05, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
I kind of hope they don't do it with orchestra and choir. I'm kind of bored of that gimmick now.

It sucks because if there was a ever a live DT performance that warranted it, it's this one. I don't understand why they felt the need to have one on the last release.

Because of the orchestration on Illumination Theory. 

I think an Orchestra would be quite appropriate.  I surely don't see them playing with an Orchestra or Choir a "Gimmick"  It's how the music was written.

Exactly.  If it is appropriate to the music, it is not a "gimmick." 
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Post by: Progmetty on February 05, 2016, 11:06:19 AM
It occurs to me that this is going to be the first Dream Theater release EVER where Portnoy gets no royalties at all.
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Post by: TheAtliator on February 05, 2016, 12:08:20 PM
I was gonna say something similar... If they did the orchestra and/or choir, it would be the 4th DVD in a row to feature that  :laugh:

But of all of them, it would probably be most appropriate. More-so than the BT4W one, which honestly sounds like we're hearing more of the pre-recorded track anyway (I could definitely be wrong about this though).
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Post by: El Barto on February 10, 2016, 01:20:10 PM
I think an Orchestra would be quite appropriate.  I surely don't see them playing with an Orchestra or Choir a "Gimmick"  It's how the music was written.

Exactly.  If it is appropriate to the music, it is not a "gimmick."
Yes and no. When bands decide to do that, they tend to go all in. So the orchestra is there for the parts that need it, then gets shoehorned into other places so they don't just sit around like a bunch of dorks. Parts of 8V and 6D certainly benefited from the orchestra. The rest of those songs had unnecessary orchestral parts added in and that is gimmicky. Then you get into Metroplis, and it was thrown in where it didn't belong to the detriment of the song.

If they're going to do it here I'd only be interested in the orchestra being faithful to the album, and that probably means having a bunch of people on stage for 2+hrs while playing only bits and pieces here and there. Otherwise it would be gimmicky.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
I think an Orchestra would be quite appropriate.  I surely don't see them playing with an Orchestra or Choir a "Gimmick"  It's how the music was written.

Exactly.  If it is appropriate to the music, it is not a "gimmick."
Yes and no. When bands decide to do that, they tend to go all in. So the orchestra is there for the parts that need it, then gets shoehorned into other places so they don't just sit around like a bunch of dorks. Parts of 8V and 6D certainly benefited from the orchestra. The rest of those songs had unnecessary orchestral parts added in and that is gimmicky. Then you get into Metroplis, and it was thrown in where it didn't belong to the detriment of the song.

If they're going to do it here I'd only be interested in the orchestra being faithful to the album, and that probably means having a bunch of people on stage for 2+hrs while playing only bits and pieces here and there. Otherwise it would be gimmicky.

Well that's your opinion on Metropolis.  I personally think that's the best version of the song thanks to the orchestra, but agreed in the fact that it becomes a gimmick at that point, I just happen to enjoy it.

I would imagine they would be faithful to the album use of the orchestra and not add more, I mean, if they wanted to add more why isn't it on the album? 
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Post by: El Barto on February 10, 2016, 01:35:06 PM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 01:38:00 PM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.

Eh, I can't speak to this because 6DOIT is really not my favorite thing by DT so adding orchestral moments doesn't add anything for me in that song.  I was mostly speaking in regards to Metropolis since I really enjoy the Score version of that song, I thought the added orchestration was great.  I also think for a song like that, a change is cool since they play that song all of the time.  My view on 6DOIT disc 2 is probably for the controversial opinions thread.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 10, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.

The orchestra didn't play those songs on Score. They stopped playing after About to Crash and started back at Goodnight Kiss.
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Post by: El Barto on February 10, 2016, 02:42:19 PM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.

The orchestra didn't play those songs on Score. They stopped playing after About to Crash and started back at Goodnight Kiss.
I don't have audio up here at work, but I watched the youtube video of it and they were hammering away at something back there.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 02:46:22 PM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.

The orchestra didn't play those songs on Score. They stopped playing after About to Crash and started back at Goodnight Kiss.
I don't have audio up here at work, but I watched the youtube video of it and they were hammering away at something back there.

Yea, they are definitely playing on those songs.  Now, I am not sure if they added parts to the song though, might have just played along with JR's parts.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 11, 2016, 08:12:04 AM
Hmm. I'll have to take another look at that. I thought I remembered them stopping during at least one of those two tracks. I've been wrong before.
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Post by: rab7 on February 11, 2016, 09:28:51 AM
The best part about it is that there's be no repeat tracks from past releases.

This. As much as I love Metropolis and TSCO, there's too many live versions of them.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 27, 2016, 04:17:38 AM
Mmm one concern when filming this is going to be the intense lighting...must be hell to film through that.
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Post by: Darkstarshades on February 28, 2016, 11:52:54 AM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.

The orchestra didn't play those songs on Score. They stopped playing after About to Crash and started back at Goodnight Kiss.
I don't have audio up here at work, but I watched the youtube video of it and they were hammering away at something back there.

Yea, they are definitely playing on those songs.  Now, I am not sure if they added parts to the song though, might have just played along with JR's parts.

Orchestra didn't play during WIMH at Score?
You kidding?
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Post by: Tick on February 29, 2016, 08:29:21 AM
I don't recall any orchestral parts on the album version of WIMH/TTTSTA? And I don't think many would consider it an asset to the song.

The orchestra didn't play those songs on Score. They stopped playing after About to Crash and started back at Goodnight Kiss.
I don't have audio up here at work, but I watched the youtube video of it and they were hammering away at something back there.

Yea, they are definitely playing on those songs.  Now, I am not sure if they added parts to the song though, might have just played along with JR's parts.

Orchestra didn't play during WIMH at Score?
You kidding?
They did.
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Post by: Freeze on February 29, 2016, 09:33:24 AM
After attending the last of the three Oslo shows last night , I surely hope they will film this show for a dvd/blu-ray release. The production was excellent , and begs for a visual document imo.
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Post by: CB on March 20, 2016, 05:19:24 PM
It might be difficult to capture everything on DVD, the band, orchestra, choir, light show, videos ... nevertheless I think they have to make a DVD of this show. Perhaps they should concentrate on the band/orchestra/choir and make the videos (with the live music) a bonus?
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Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
It might be difficult to capture everything on DVD, the band, orchestra, choir, light show, videos ... nevertheless I think they have to make a DVD of this show. Perhaps they should concentrate on the band/orchestra/choir and make the videos (with the live music) a bonus?

I would like a multiangle BR where one of the angles would be showing the screens with DT in front. Not sure I would want just the video without the context.
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Post by: Calvin6s on March 20, 2016, 11:56:56 PM
I assumed a live BluRay DVD from this tour was a given.
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Post by: Ganjalf on March 21, 2016, 02:17:51 AM
It should be obvious that there will be a dvd/blu-ray with the entire thing live, with an orchestra. But on second thought i think it's a financial question to be honest. First of all this album and the tour must have been really, really expensive to make. Full orchestra and choir on the album conducted by david campbell, playing mostly 1500-2000 seat venues with expensive visual presentation. And on top of that they already did an orchestra/choir blu-ray on the last tour, PLUS they're making a goddamn "The Astonishing" smartphone-game... (yeah, i'm really looking forward to this... game..) So yeah, a blu-ray of the show should be obvious but it's still fully questionable as to whether it would be possible for them to do.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2016, 07:00:58 AM
I get what you are saying, but I think a filmed concert is a much better investment by DT than a book or video game based around TA.  I'd imagine no orchestra/choir though because I think we would have known about that by now right?  Unless they are going to do this at a yet to be announced concert after this tour?
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Post by: shadystraz360 on March 25, 2016, 09:52:47 AM
I'd love to see the show again... Saw them in London in Feb 19th... Absolutely stunning, and I want them to come and play the album again... Especially since the NOMAC wasn't working, so they should play again as an apology hahahaha...

Will be great to have this album Live though.. CD/DVD would be ASTONISHING
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Post by: Jinx on March 25, 2016, 12:50:10 PM
To me there is no point filming the show without the orchestra and choir. It would probably be their greatest spectacle yet, it would be huge!

And look, we now know that this tour is going on through 2016 to 2017 so there's plenty of time to announce a one of show with all the bells and whistles. And bagpipes.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 25, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
Also, this first round of concerts may help them to decide the better venue to film this in, either for the acoustics or the look of the place.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
True about both of the above.  I hope they do it, I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
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Post by: Tick on March 26, 2016, 11:25:21 AM
I can't see them not filming a show with an orchestra. But where will that be?
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Post by: bosk1 on April 01, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
Either with or without an orchestra would be fine.  Although an orchestra and choir would be an obvious fit for a live video this tour, it would not surprise me if they didn't do that.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 01, 2016, 10:24:54 AM
The orchestra and choir would have to learn a shit ton of material before the show. It's not Score or BTFW, where they had to learn 1 hour of material or something to that extent.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 01, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Good point.
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Post by: El Barto on April 01, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
The choir seems more problematic than the orchestra. The orchestra will have plenty to do, and if Score is any indication they'll make up busy work for them when they don't. It sounded to me like the choral parts on TA required a pretty big choir. Not Carmina Burana or anything, but bigger than Theresa Thomason and 7 other gals, and their parts are scattered about fairly sparsely. I wouldn't mind seeing it, a massive choir is a sight/sound to behold, but I think it'd be hard to really pull it off in a way that justified the effort.
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Post by: Shadow2222 on April 01, 2016, 12:10:04 PM
Today is 10 years since Score was recorded. It would be interesting if they recorded the DVD at Radio City again roughly 10 years after last being there, but I believe we would know about it already.

Wasn't the DVD recording for Breaking the Fourth Wall announced a few months prior?
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Post by: bosk1 on April 01, 2016, 12:42:18 PM
Wasn't the DVD recording for Breaking the Fourth Wall announced a few months prior?

I think so.  But that doesn't necessarily mean they will give advance notice of recording of any other shows.  Sometimes bands do; sometimes not.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2016, 01:05:58 PM
Wasn't the DVD recording for Breaking the Fourth Wall announced a few months prior?

I think so.  But that doesn't necessarily mean they will give advance notice of recording of any other shows.  Sometimes bands so; sometimes not.

True, for example Avantasia is filming tonight's show but they just announced it on facebook today.  Granted if they were going with an orchestra and choir I think we would be more likely to know beforehand since the band would have to arrange that and it's possible it leaks or the band lets the info out before hand, which if I recall is what happened with BT4W.
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Post by: ad78 on April 23, 2016, 01:34:41 AM
In CT. James mentioned they are shooting DVD maybe they will release a mix tour.
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Post by: Enigmachine on April 23, 2016, 03:54:46 AM
In CT. James mentioned they are shooting DVD maybe they will release a mix tour.

ooh nice. I legitimately didn't expect a DVD for some reason.
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Post by: Grizz on April 23, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
In CT. James mentioned they are shooting DVD maybe they will release a mix tour.
I thought he said that they shot a video for one of their songs. Our New World?
But I don't think he said they were doing a DVD.
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Post by: chrisbDTM on April 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Yea he was definitely taking about a music video in CT. But I think they need take a good break and let labrie rest his voice. He was shot during the CT show and I checked out some YouTube clips from other cities and he was still pretty off. Don't want that on a dvd
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Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2016, 03:42:34 PM
I know there is a lot of orchestra on TA, but do we really need another DT live DVD with an orchestra?  We already have Score and Breaking the Fourth Wall. 
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Post by: Grizz on April 23, 2016, 03:48:05 PM
Actually there may not be a live DVD based on the fact that Petrucci seems intent on presenting this like a touring musical...
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Post by: Tick on May 05, 2016, 11:35:32 AM
Yea he was definitely taking about a music video in CT. But I think they need take a good break and let labrie rest his voice. He was shot during the CT show and I checked out some YouTube clips from other cities and he was still pretty off. Don't want that on a dvd
He was shot in Connecticut? I didn't think so. He wasn't at his very best, but I wouldn't say he was shot by any means.
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Post by: Chino on May 05, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
Yea he was definitely taking about a music video in CT. But I think they need take a good break and let labrie rest his voice. He was shot during the CT show and I checked out some YouTube clips from other cities and he was still pretty off. Don't want that on a dvd

I don't know what video you saw, but from my seat in CT, Labrie was killing it .
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Post by: CB on May 05, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Actually there may not be a live DVD based on the fact that Petrucci seems intent on presenting this like a touring musical...


For me that would be sad. I love TA because of the great music and presentation by my favourite band, but honestly I wouldn't watch it as a touring musical. I've heard and seen some very good musicals, in comparison I just don't think the story of TA is strong enough for that. I mean, comparing it to classics like Les Mis, Phantom of the Opera, Man of La Mancha, Notre Dame de Paris and many others, to me it feels just a bit too shallow. And musical audiences are used to get all the important information about the story through the lyrics and action on stage, not having to read it on the internet (like the meaning of BUG or Daryus being deafened). Perhaps I'm just too old or not enough into SF, but that's just the way I feel. I still hope for a DVD, I wouldn't mind if there's no orchestra involved.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 06, 2016, 06:51:54 AM
I know there is a lot of orchestra on TA, but do we really need another DT live DVD with an orchestra?  We already have Score and Breaking the Fourth Wall. 

I am in the same boat as you on this one. Haven't the last three live DVDs all had strings of some sort, at least for a couple of songs? I would actually prefer not to have strings for once. :lol
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Post by: mikeyd23 on May 06, 2016, 07:11:06 AM
I agree. After seeing the tour live, I'd want a DVD with just the band coming out and playing the album by themselves. I know not everyone likes the backing tracks, but I would like a DVD that represents the tour I saw, which was the five guys just coming out and playing. Besides, if the mix is done right it would be fantastic to mix the live performance in with the tracks they use throughout the show.
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Post by: Tick on May 06, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
Screw that, I want the DVD with an orchestra! If they even do one at all.
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Post by: Chino on May 06, 2016, 08:28:05 AM
I'd love to see DT go all out on a DVD for this tour. Give us a huge orchestra, a sizable choir, and actors on stage playing out a bunch of the scenes. If I could have seen this show performed a half dozen times, I would have. This album has moved way up toward the top of my favorite DT albums. The live version of it is effing amazing. I want to be able to see it again.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on May 06, 2016, 08:31:15 AM
I'd love to see DT go all out on a DVD for this tour. Give us a huge orchestra, a sizable choir, and actors on stage playing out a bunch of the scenes. If I could have seen this show performed a half dozen times, I would have. This album has moved way up toward the top of my favorite DT albums. The live version of it is effing amazing. I want to be able to see it again.

I guess maybe I say no orchestra because the 4th Wall left a somewhat bad taste in my mouth, the orchestra was kinda pointless and really unheard on the final product. If they did it right, giving the orchestra and choir, etc.. proper room in the final mix it could be great.
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Post by: Tick on May 06, 2016, 09:00:37 AM
I'd love to see DT go all out on a DVD for this tour. Give us a huge orchestra, a sizable choir, and actors on stage playing out a bunch of the scenes. If I could have seen this show performed a half dozen times, I would have. This album has moved way up toward the top of my favorite DT albums. The live version of it is effing amazing. I want to be able to see it again.
Agree on all points, 100%
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Post by: Darkstarshades on May 09, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
I'd love to see DT go all out on a DVD for this tour. Give us a huge orchestra, a sizable choir, and actors on stage playing out a bunch of the scenes. If I could have seen this show performed a half dozen times, I would have. This album has moved way up toward the top of my favorite DT albums. The live version of it is effing amazing. I want to be able to see it again.

I guess maybe I say no orchestra because the 4th Wall left a somewhat bad taste in my mouth, the orchestra was kinda pointless and really unheard on the final product. If they did it right, giving the orchestra and choir, etc.. proper room in the final mix it could be great.

Well, no.
Only Illumination Theory was written with Orchestra and choirs in mind, the rest was just a gimmick.
IT had recording issues, so that was more of the venue and audio's fault than the orchestra itself.

The Astonishing is written in its entirely with orchestra, so it isn't just to add more, it's the way the album is written.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on May 10, 2016, 07:53:01 AM
I don't know whose "fault" the issues were, or even if there were issues (did the band ever confirm that?). All I'm saying is that from a consumers perspective, the orchestra was kinda pointless in the final product I paid for because all I heard was the track from the record, not the live orchestra. That's all I'm saying, I agree IT was written with an orchestra and choir in mind (kinda obvious since they recorded an orchestra in the studio for the track).

So I'll say again, TA could work live with an orchestra, but the audio would have to be much better in the final product than BTFW. That's not hating on BTFW, I really like that DVD, its one of my favorites from the band, its only real downside for me was the lack of real orchestra in the mix.
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Post by: fischermasamune on May 10, 2016, 11:58:46 AM
I don't know whose "fault" the issues were, or even if there were issues (did the band ever confirm that?). All I'm saying is that from a consumers perspective, the orchestra was kinda pointless in the final product I paid for because all I heard was the track from the record, not the live orchestra. That's all I'm saying, I agree IT was written with an orchestra and choir in mind (kinda obvious since they recorded an orchestra in the studio for the track).
I always thought the orchestra audio for BTFW was recorded from the concert.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on May 11, 2016, 07:55:32 AM
It's been discussed a bunch on this board, basically during the orchestra break in IT, it sounds like the track from the album and not the live orchestra.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: Architeuthis on May 11, 2016, 08:04:58 AM
I think the orchestra did such a good job playing it, it just sounds like the recording. It was all live..
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Post by: mikeyd23 on May 11, 2016, 08:16:41 AM
Okay, like I said it was discussed in detail when BTFW came out that the orchestra sounded exactly like the recording there, that's all.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 08:18:48 AM
Okay, like I said it was discussed in detail when BTFW came out that the orchestra sounded exactly like the recording there, that's all.

There are some people on this board with much better ears than me who did some analysis and it seemed like it was not the live orchestra on the DVD for IT.  Take it for what it's worth, I don't believe the band has ever confirmed or denied this as far as I know.
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Post by: Grizz on May 13, 2016, 03:06:07 PM
Does this help? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTnuuR686m4)
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Post by: goo-goo on May 16, 2016, 02:36:15 PM
Does this help? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTnuuR686m4)

Sounds good to me.
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Post by: fischermasamune on May 19, 2016, 09:17:21 PM
Does this help? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTnuuR686m4)
It sounds very, very close to the official release. Glad to know.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2016, 07:11:57 AM
Does this help? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTnuuR686m4)
It sounds very, very close to the official release. Glad to know.

I dont think anyone ever said the orchestra did not sound good live in the venue.  I think the debate is whether or not the actual orchestra was recorded properly to be used on the live album.  My ears are not able to notice these things so I have no opinion on the matter besides it sounds fine to me, but just saying that I am not sure that video helps solve this question.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 20, 2016, 07:18:04 AM
I dont think anyone ever said the orchestra did not sound good live in the venue.  I think the debate is whether or not the actual orchestra was recorded properly to be used on the live album.  My ears are not able to notice these things so I have no opinion on the matter besides it sounds fine to me, but just saying that I am not sure that video helps solve this question.

Exactly that.

Also - Grizz I'm not sure if posting a bootleg of a performance that was officially released by the band is allowed or not, just a heads up.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: Darkstarshades on May 20, 2016, 08:14:59 PM
I wish they had kept James's words on the DVD
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 20, 2016, 09:09:43 PM
Does this help? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTnuuR686m4)
It sounds very, very close to the official release. Glad to know.

I dont think anyone ever said the orchestra did not sound good live in the venue.  I think the debate is whether or not the actual orchestra was recorded properly to be used on the live album.  My ears are not able to notice these things so I have no opinion on the matter besides it sounds fine to me, but just saying that I am not sure that video helps solve this question.

On the contrary, a lot of us who were at the show made mention that we could not adequately hear the orchestra during the actual live performance and presumed that the DVD would mix it in properly.  I certainly hoped so.  When this didn't happen in the release, there was plenty of debate that the show was not recorded properly, because the strings were drowned out and perhaps not salvageable. I don't know for sure. However, the choir sounded great in person, and is captured accurately on DVD.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: Grizz on May 22, 2016, 02:51:01 PM
I dont think anyone ever said the orchestra did not sound good live in the venue.  I think the debate is whether or not the actual orchestra was recorded properly to be used on the live album.  My ears are not able to notice these things so I have no opinion on the matter besides it sounds fine to me, but just saying that I am not sure that video helps solve this question.

Exactly that.

Also - Grizz I'm not sure if posting a bootleg of a performance that was officially released by the band is allowed or not, just a heads up.
Yeah, I do a lot of legally questionable things when it comes to this but few complain, and I'm usually pretty good about it at least being valuable for discussion or history.
Title: Re: Live dvd?
Post by: TheAtliator on July 02, 2016, 11:48:27 PM
And the other question, was the orchestra possibly playing along to the track at the show?