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Hello and welcome to the second official Roulette Championship! :metal The competition won't be starting for at least another week, but I'm creating the thread early for sign-ups. Anyone who has won a roulette in the last two years will be eligible to participate (listed below). So, who's in?
Details about how the roulette will run are forthcoming, so stay tuned.
Eligible Participant ListGreen = Confirmed Participant Red = Declined Participation Black = Unconfirmed (Not participating)Evermind
jingle.boy
lonestar
Nekov
Parama
Sacul
Scorpion
senecadawg2
wolfking
bl5150
Dark Castle
sneakyblueberry
TAC
adace
Lowdz
Nihil-Morari
Zantera
Post containing format & rules (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2064693#msg2064693)
Post containing banned artists lists (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2066008#msg2066008)
Round 1 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2073470#msg2073470) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2075432#msg2075432) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2074890#msg2074890)
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Round 2 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2081848#msg2081848) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2082543#msg2082543) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2084644#msg2084644)
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Round 3 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2094129#msg2094129) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2095693#msg2095693) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2097290#msg2097290)
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Tier 1 Score Breakdown
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Round 4 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2100800#msg2100800) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2104370#msg2104370) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2103727#msg2103727)
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Round 5 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2109732#msg2109732) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2109076#msg2109076) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2113373#msg2113373)
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Round 6 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2120931#msg2120931) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2122196#msg2122196) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2123481#msg2123481)
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Tier 2 Score Breakdown
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Tier 1+2 Score Breakdown
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Round 7 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2127779#msg2127779) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2130261#msg2130261) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2129476#msg2129476)
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Round 8 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2134813#msg2134813) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2137739#msg2137739) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2137862#msg2137862)
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Round 9 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2140562#msg2140562) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2142677#msg2142677) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2142676#msg2142676)
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Tier 3 Score Breakdown
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Tier 1+2+3 Score Breakdown
(https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/t1-2-3-tyrias.png~original) (https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/t1-2-3-425.png~original) (https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/t1-2-3-red.png~original)
Round 10 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2145362#msg2145362) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2146737#msg2146737) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2146973#msg2146973)
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Round 11 Results: Tyrias (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2153082#msg2153082) 425 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2152676#msg2152676) Mr. Red (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45409.msg2153446#msg2153446)
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Tier 4 Score Breakdown
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Total Score Breakdown
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I like this idea, will followand hopefully someday win a roulette myself!
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I'm in.
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I was gonna wait to see what the rules were but seeing how I have the chance to kick lonestar's and jboy's ass I'm very much in
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Put me down as a definitely tentative maybe for sure. Depends on who the judges are. I learned a long time ago, Roulette's become frustrating for participant and judge/organizer when tastes are not aligned.
Is the format going to be similar to what you proposed a few months ago?
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Put me down as a definitely tentative maybe for sure.
Commitment: You suck at it.
Is the format going to be similar to what you proposed a few months ago?
Format is the same. The rule we disussed where people couldn't use the same songs is out though.
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Put me down as a definitely tentative maybe for sure.
Commitment: You suck at it.
Is the format going to be similar to what you proposed a few months ago?
Format is the same. The rule we disussed where people couldn't use the same songs is out though.
Thanks for the pink. Better than alternating my letters as green/red.
I'll lean towards being in, but it also depends on when the Roulette's that I do want to participate in (you, Ruslan, lonestar, jj) come up. Playing in too many at once is also something I try to avoid.
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I'm in
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I'll lean towards being in, but it also depends on when the Roulette's that I do want to participate in (you, Ruslan, lonestar, jj) come up. Playing in too many at once is also something I try to avoid.
If it helps, I plan to put mine on hold until this is near its end if not until it's actually finished.
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I'll lean towards being in, but it also depends on when the Roulette's that I do want to participate in (you, Ruslan, lonestar, jj) come up. Playing in too many at once is also something I try to avoid.
If it helps, I plan to put mine on hold until this is near its end if not until it's actually finished.
He's just afraid he'll get his ass kicked, leave him be
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totes ready to get last place in this :tup
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I'm not too fond of this idea - I don't play in the roulettes I know I've got no chance of winning - so I'll wait and see who the jugdes are before signing up.
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Ruslan and Chad, shit or get off the pot you pussies.
Sign me up bro so I can slap these guys around one more time.
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You can count me as in.
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I want to know what the rules and shit are too and who's judging etc., but fuck it, I'll be in.
I'm with Chad though that I don't want to be in too many roulettes at once. Don't have the time for that at the moment, and would rather participate in individuals roulettes over this to be honest.
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totes ready to get last place in this :tup
This :P
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I'm not too fond of this idea - I don't play in the roulettes I know I've got no chance of winning - so I'll wait and see who the jugdes are before signing up.
I want to know what the rules and shit are too and who's judging etc., but fuck it, I'll be in.
I've got shit to do today, but later tonight I will be writing up the rules properly and posting them - and at the same time revealing the judges. Technically this could be "tomorrow" for some of you.
Ruslan and Chad, shit or get off the pot you pussies.
That's why they're pink now. :tup
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i've got a laptop and an internet connection so, what the fuck. count me in.
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i've got a laptop and an internet connection so, what the fuck. count me in.
You might wanna have some songs, too. Just a suggestion.
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Format
- There will be three judges for this roulette. They will be referred to as the Green Judge, the Blue Judge, and the Red Judge.
- All songs in all rounds will be scored by each of the three judges. However, each round the judges will take turns being the Primary Judge. The primary judge will score your songs out of 15 in their round, and the two Secondary Judges will score your songs out of 5, for a total score out of 25. The judges may give scores containing half-points if they so wish. The rounds will be colour-coded so that you know which judge is the primary judge for that round.
- The rounds of the roulette will be separated into tiers. There will be three tiers of three rounds, each round within a tier having a different Primary Judge. After each tier of three rounds completes, the lowest-scoring competitors will be eliminated from the roulette at what we will call an Elimination Point. The number of people to be eliminated at each point will be determined later, when we know exactly how many people will be participating in the roulette.
- After those three tiers, there will be a fourth and final tier of two rounds. These rounds will not have primary or secondary judges; instead, each judge will score your songs out of 10 for a total out of 30 per round. There will only be three people participating in the finals; by then, everyone else will have been eliminated.
- Your scores will carry over from previous tiers, so determining who is going to be eliminated at each Elimination Point will be based on overall scores, not your scores for the current tier.
- At the end of all 11 rounds, the participant with the highest score will be the victor.
- In the event that there are people tied right on the cut-off line when an Elimination Point comes up, I will be acting as a tie-breaking judge. Nothing fancy, I will just listen to your submitted songs and the person whose songs appeal to me the most gets to stay.
So, the roulette will end up playing out like this:
TIER 1
1. Green Judge round (open)
2. Blue Judge round (open)
3. Red Judge round (open)
--Elimination Point--
TIER 2
4. Green Judge round (possibly themed)
5. Blue Judge round (possibly themed)
6. Red Judge round (possibly themed)
--Elimination Point--
TIER 3
7. Green Judge round (possibly themed)
8. Blue Judge round (possibly themed)
9. Red Judge round (possibly themed)
--Elimination Point--
TIER 4
10. Finals, round 1 (open)
11. Finals, round 2 (open)
Format (continued)
- Each round, there will be a different banned artists list in play depending upon who the Primary Judge is. These will be colour-coded to the rounds they correspond to (IE, the red banned list will be in effect during red rounds). The lists are comprised of the Primary Judge's list combined with any artists banned by both Secondary Judges.
- In the event that a song is sent from an artist not banned, but one of the Secondary Judges is familiar with and likes/loves the song or artist, that judge may elect to abstain and offer no score, and therefore no points, to the song. If this happens, the person who submitted it will be informed and they will have the option of sticking with the song (and getting a score out of 20 instead of 25), or changing their submission.
- The judges' individual banned lists will also be provided for reference.
- Writeups will be posted in the thread at the discretion of each judge. These posts will, however, not contain your scores.
- Once all three judges have posted their writeups in the thread, I will post the scores all of them gave you, update the standings, and begin the next round.
Submitting
- All submissions will be sent to me via forum Private Message, not to the judges directly.
- The preferred formats for submissions are Youtube links or Spotify URI links.
- In the event that you need to send a file, either use Mega (https://mega.co.nz/), or attach it to an email. Ask for my address if you want to go that route.
- For the first three rounds (tier 1) you will not be allowed to submit songs longer than 10 minutes.
- Starting from round 4 (tier 2) you will be allowed to send songs up to 15 minutes in length.
- For tiers 3 and 4 (rounds 7 through 11) there will be no hard song length limit imposed, but you will be asked to take into consideration the number of songs each judge has to listen to and that the roulette needs to move at a reasonable pace.
The Judges
Well, I guess it's about time I told you all who the judges are. So without further ado...
(https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/tyrias.png~original) (https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/425.png~original) (https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/mystery.png~original)
Oh come on, you guys didn't think this would be that easy, did you? :neverusethis:
For the entirety of the roulette, the Red Judge's identity will (hopefully) be kept a secret. They won't be able to post in the thread (since it's against forum rules to have two active accounts), so they will send their writeups and such to me, along with any other comments they may have, and I will post on their behalf. From now on I'm just going to call them Mystery Judge Mr. Red.
Banned Artist Lists
You'll get them once I have received each judge's list and compiled them in the intended manner. Just waiting on the anonymous one to send, no rush though. they're probably banned
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I bet it's the mystery dude from Jingle's roulette :corn
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I bet it's the mystery dude from Jingle's roulette :corn
I am 100% certain it is not the same person.
Or maybe I only said that because it is.
Or maybe I only said that because it isn't.
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Damnit, I wanted to be the blue judge. I don't think I can work under this circumstances, so sorry, I'm out....
Just kidding :angel: Don't really care what my color is :blush.
Also, since a few players probably don't know me all that well (with me only having about 300 posts and such), I'd like to address a few points concerning my music tastes and how I will be scoring to start with.
Music Tastes: Many of you whose Roulette's I've played in know that I tend to send more songs outside of this forums comfort zone than is usual (dubstep, ahem). That doesn't mean I only listen to non-rock/prog music, I enjoy a good classic rock song just as much as a good Hip-Hop, Prog, Electronica or Classical song. That's actually why I applied to be a judge for this, there is no such thing as a genre I really dislike, there's stuff that I like in every genre I know of (and that ranges from Jazz to traditional Latin American Music to Pop to Metal to Electronica to Prog and everything in between.
Grading: Since we're apparently given the choice what to do with songs that we know I'm gonna use the following rules: If an artist sent in a round where I'm a Sec' is on my banned list, I will deduct 2 points from your score. If I know the song but the artist is not on my banned list, I will deduct 1 point from the score.
Why do I do this? Well, since we have three different banned lists, I think it will get hard for people to send stuff since a lot of bands will be banned over the three different lists. So now you can send stuff from my banned list without completely screwing over my score. Also, I tried to only include bands in my list where I actually know a fair share of the band's output. There are however also a lot of bands where I only know a few songs and thus I didn't put them on my list. I will deduct one point in this case because you get a kind of "starting bonus" from me being familiar with the song, with gives a bit of an advantage over other submissions. So I'm punishing you a bit, but you can still get a 4/5 if I really like the song.
SO now that that's settled, let's all have a lot of fun in this! And I hope to get some awesome music ;).
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Tyrias, kinda off-topic but I really want to be in your v2 roulette, your tastes are very interesting, and I think I have some interesting stuff for you that I don't think would be appreciated by others. :yarr
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You're welcome in, but I think it's still going to be like half a year before it's my turn :lol.
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425 is fine, I've still got a lot of stuff to impress him, and Tyrias' tastes are quite unknown for me. I may go with some folk music though, he seems to like it.
Question to Tyrias: if you already know the song, will you let the participant know about it, or just deduce 1 point and roll on with it? Because I would probably like to send the songs unknown to all the judges, and I don't want to lose any points due to that, thus the question.
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Question to Tyrias: if you already know the song, will you let the participant know about it, or just deduce 1 point and roll on with it? Because I would probably like to send the songs unknown to all the judges, and I don't want to lose any points due to that, thus the question.
Depends. I think the way we're doing this is that everyone sends their songs to Bolsters, and I'm not sure when he'll forward them to me. My guess right now is that he'll just compile all the songs and fast-forward them to me (and the other judges). In that case it would really slow down the roulette if we asked people to resubmit after that, cause we would have to distribute the new songs again, some judges might already have started listening etc. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Bolsters).
So, if you wanna be safe, it's probably best if you just send me a copy of the PM you're sending to Bolsters when I'm a Sec (<- my abbreviation for secondary judge), and I'll give you a heads up if your song would get a minus 1. I don't expect this to happen often (it would surprise me if we had more than 3 such cases in the entire roulette), I just wanted to have the rule set in stone from the start.
Also, changed my avatar for the roulette.
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Fuckit... sign me up. I had a quick perusal of Tyrias and 425's roulettes, and it seems there's some alignment in tastes. Besides, at the rate I'm going, this might be the last 'Championship' Roulette I get to participate in.
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Since we're apparently given the choice what to do with songs that we know I'm gonna use the following rules: If an artist sent in a round where I'm a Sec' is on my banned list, I will deduct 2 points from your score. If I know the song but the artist is not on my banned list, I will deduct 1 point from the score.
What? You don't have any choice whatsoever! :neverusethis:
I'd rather you just abstain in those cases. If you get a song you know from an artist you didn't ban, there must be a lot of songs by them that you don't know...that person can send a different song. If someone sends an artist on your banned list (but not the round banned list) a score out of 20 instead of 25 isn't a huge penalty. The idea is that there is a deterrent but people can do it if they want/need to. So yeah go with that. ;)
As for how I was going to handle submissions, I was only going to group up what I received in each 24 hour period before passing them along, not wait until I had all of them. Partly so you could let me know early if you wanted to abstain/wanted someone to resend, partly because some people take forever to send and I didn't want the entire roulette to come to a grinding halt because one or two people were slow. I figured it's also easier for contestants if they only have one person to send to instead of three, and they have to send to me anyway since I am passing things to Mr. Red (I think that's a better name than Mystery Judge so I'm going with that now) and figured I could just do it for everyone.
Anyway, those of you looking for more information on the judges' tastes and such before the banned lists appear might want to check out their roulettes.
You can view the Tyrias roulette here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42065.0).
You can view 425's roulette here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43715.0).
And, you can check out Mr. Red's roulette here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ).
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Wow, the mystery judge actually has quite some musical similarities to me, if I was in this, I would have a great chance.
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I'll pass.......with thanks for the invite. Too much going on for me in the next month or two (including moving house) and I am not sure that I will dig this format near as much as the upcoming individual roulettes I am pumped up for (and already prepped for).
Following and shit........
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I'll pass.......with thanks for the invite. Too much going on for me in the next month or two (including moving house) and I am not sure that I will dig this format near as much as the upcoming individual roulettes I am pumped up for (and already prepped for).
Fair enough. You'd better have your shit together by the time it's my turn to host though. :biggrin:
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I already have my first song lined up for you............TNT's Everyone's A Star :P ;D
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I already have my first song lined up for you............TNT's Everyone's A Star :P ;D
:clap:
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I already have my first song lined up for you............TNT's Everyone's A Star :P ;D
:slowclap:
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I'm not that familiar with 425, but I'm glad to see Tyrias involved.
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Since we're apparently given the choice what to do with songs that we know I'm gonna use the following rules: If an artist sent in a round where I'm a Sec' is on my banned list, I will deduct 2 points from your score. If I know the song but the artist is not on my banned list, I will deduct 1 point from the score.
What? You don't have any choice whatsoever! :neverusethis:
I'd rather you just abstain in those cases. If you get a song you know from an artist you didn't ban, there must be a lot of songs by them that you don't know...that person can send a different song. If someone sends an artist on your banned list (but not the round banned list) a score out of 20 instead of 25 isn't a huge penalty. The idea is that there is a deterrent but people can do it if they want/need to. So yeah go with that. ;)
As for how I was going to handle submissions, I was only going to group up what I received in each 24 hour period before passing them along, not wait until I had all of them. Partly so you could let me know early if you wanted to abstain/wanted someone to resend, partly because some people take forever to send and I didn't want the entire roulette to come to a grinding halt because one or two people were slow. I figured it's also easier for contestants if they only have one person to send to instead of three, and they have to send to me anyway since I am passing things to Mr. Red (I think that's a better name than Mystery Judge so I'm going with that now) and figured I could just do it for everyone.
Well, then I'll just abstain in those cases or tell when I know the song really well. Only thing this means for my judging in general is that there will be bigger differences between awesome and good songs. If the best song in one of my main rounds gets a 15 and the worst one a 12, then a 5 point penalty would indeed be quite drastic :P.
So I guess my scoring system is going to be:
5(in Sec rounds)/15(when I'm main judge): This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead.
4/12: Really great song, I'll definetely check this artist out after the roulette is over.
3/9: Good song. I can see myself listening to this again or putting it on when I'm in the mood, but I'm not sure I'll check out the artist.
2/6: Ok song. Doesn't impress me at all, but neither is it jarring to listen to.
1/3: Barely listenable. I don't really want to hear of this artist ever again.
Of course there will be points in between these scores, especially when I'm main judge, this is just a rough guideline. (And I really hope I won't have ot give anything below a 1/3 ::) )
I'm not that familiar with 425, but I'm glad to see Tyrias involved.
Well, you won my roulette, so it shouldn't be to your disadvantage. :lol
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I think I was like last place in 425's roulette so I'll probably pass. Thanks anyway!! :)
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well i figure i'll do well with at least one of the judges, then :lol
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425 is fine
Just fine, though. Nothing real special about that guy.
I'm not that familiar with 425
Can't trust somebody with no letters in their username, amiright? :neverusethis:
Nah, I totally understand. I don't think our paths have crossed that much for whatever reason. Looking forward to our roulette-related introduction.
I think I was like last place in 425's roulette so I'll probably pass. Thanks anyway!! :)
Yeah, sorry about that...
First, I want to say that I'm happy to be here and to work along with Tyrias and that mystery person to help Bolsters run the Roulette Championship. I appreciate Bolsters taking the time to organize this, and I'm happy to see that there's already significant interest in joining this.
As far as my music tastes go, I'll write a short introduction here. The best way to get to know me is probably through reading my roulette thread. What you'll see from that thread is that I was really generous as a scorer. I'm going to work on being somewhat harsher for this, but I'm still probably going to be the nice one, or the "Paula" of the judges here.
I like many genres of music. Prog and metal are my most-listened genres, but I also enjoy well-written pop or indie music. Other, older genres, I'm not too familiar with but fairly open to. Electronic, as my roulette suggests, can be hit or miss.
The most important things for me in music are melody and emotion. So I'll like a lot of different kinds of music if it has strong and memorable melodies and genuine emotion. The main things that I'm likely to dislike are amelodic parts (like the end of Misunderstood) and certain annoying and/or repetitive sounds. I also typically prefer positivity to negativity. This isn't to say I don't like sad or negative music, but I don't like too much of abjectly depressing stuff. I also do care about lyrics and don't particularly like lyrics that are silly or overly violent/messed up (like In Absentia type stuff).
Beyond that, just read my roulette and send stuff that you like and think that I and Tyrias and that mystery person might like. Scorpion, Evermind, Parama and Sacul seem to have a good sense for what I will like, so that will be a benefit to them as well. Good luck everyone!
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Glad to see my Avatar idea has caught on :lol
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Yeah, looked like a fun thing to do :lol
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damn, if 425 changed his avatar i probably shoudl too
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What about a Claudio avatar, that way you can make more C&C friends so you could have more than 2 people vote in your survivor :coolio
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Hell yeah :metal
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actually guys, I'm out. I don't think I have the time to do this, thanks tho!
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You scared because I'm participating on this roulette, huh? :hat
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Glad to see my Avatar idea has caught on :lol
I'd have put a little more effort in to making those images not suck if I'd guessed you would use them as avatars. :lol
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You scared because I'm participating on this roulette, huh? :hat
i'm ascared of your horrible music taste, yes.
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That's why you'll participate in my v2, then? ;)
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Just realized I sucked balls in both Tyrias' and 425's roulettes. Unless the red judge is my mom, I'm pretty fucked here.
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Here's the first message from the mysterious Mr. Red:
Hello from the other side.
Musical tastes: I am very open-minded and willing to listen to almost anything. My music tastes are ever evolving and growing, and I like something from just about every genre, so if you want to throw me a curveball, A home run is still possible.
Creativity in music is important to me, regardless of genre, both lyrically and musically. I can't stand enormous amounts of repetition (unless I'm drunk and am at a big party or wedding reception, which is not when I'm going to be listening to submissions...).
Scoring
15/5 - how have I not heard this before? This song is amazing and will be on my playlist from now on.
12/4 - this song is good, I dig. It may grow on me eventually, but for now I'll be happy when it comes on. Nothing that wows me though.
9/3 - this song is ok, it's nothing special... It has its moments, but nothing that sticks out to me
6/2 - meh, not my cup of tea really, I have to be in the mood to hear this song. And I'm not In that mood often.
3/1 - sorry. I can't stand this. I'm never willingly listening to it again after I'm done with this round.
(Yes, I will give .5's).
Good luck!
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don't send post-rock or atmospheric black metal in mystery judge's rounds, got it
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Just realized I sucked balls in both Tyrias' and 425's roulettes. Unless the red judge is my mom, I'm pretty fucked here.
You weren't that bad in mine, you sent the best song of the entire roulette (The Road of Bones). You just need to work on your consistency a bit, and it's probably a good idea not to send The Omega Experiment in one of main rounds ::) (since that song pretty much screwed your total score last time).
Also, if a song has been played on the radio a lot these last few years, chances are I know it and I#ll ask you to resubmit. These songs are not on my banned list because I'm probably not even aware that I know them until I hear them :P. Just so we can avoid resubmitting too often.
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Just realized I sucked balls in both Tyrias' and 425's roulettes. Unless the red judge is my mom, I'm pretty fucked here.
You weren't that bad in mine, you sent the best song of the entire roulette (The Road of Bones). You just need to work on your consistency a bit, and it's probably a good idea not to send The Omega Experiment in one of main rounds ::) (since that song pretty much screwed your total score last time).
Can we maybe consistently send IQ for all the rounds?
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Can we maybe consistently send IQ for all the rounds?
I'd rather you refrain from that, even though they're not on the banned list because I only got to check out that one album by them so far.
Never mind, changed my list so the highest scoring artists from my last roulette are banned, even if I haven't gotten around to checking them out yet.
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I don't really have time for this at the moment either, but I'll participate nevertheless. Won't be studying too much on this though, I'm not that familiar with either judge and their tates but I'm not that bothered so I'll just join for fun and hope for the best.
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A reminder for the more trepidatious of you: There are eliminations after every three rounds, so it's not like you have to suffer the entire eleven if you're missing the mark. Might as well give it a shot for 3 - 6 rounds.
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I don't really have time for this at the moment either, but I'll participate nevertheless. Won't be studying too much on this though, I'm not that familiar with either judge and their tates but I'm not that bothered so I'll just join for fun and hope for the best.
Yeah, I'm taking the fuckit approach, and not gonna think too hard about this. I'll just find some tunes that I love that are not banned from all three, and let it ride.
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Well, this ought to be interesting. Just went thru Tyrias' banned list. From that entire list, there's only about 15-20 artists overlapping in my library - and only a 10 or so that I'd even consider sending in a roulette. I'm screwed too... but at least I'll have lots to choose from!
425s isn't much better - about 50 artists that I have... 1/2 or so of them as a result of his first roulette.
Out of curiosity, how old are you two?
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I've got 425's tastes pretty much identified, should try to make a bit more of sense of Tyrias', and mystery judge seems to be pretty open minded - thus, I think I won't suck that hard on this one :lol
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Well, this ought to be interesting. Just went thru Tyrias' banned list. From that entire list, there's only about 15-20 artists overlapping in my library - and only a 10 or so that I'd even consider sending in a roulette. I'm screwed too... but at least I'll have lots to choose from!
425s isn't much better - about 50 artists that I have... 1/2 or so of them as a result of his first roulette.
Out of curiosity, how old are you two?
Maybe there will be a bit more overlap between my banned list for this roulette, since more than a year has passed since I hosted my roulette. Unless Bolsters already made the banned list post and I just missed it.
Also, I'm 21, so most of my music library is relatively recent (read: 1990 til now)
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Just realized I sucked balls in both Tyrias' and 425's roulettes. Unless the red judge is my mom, I'm pretty fucked here.
You did have some entries I really liked and scored highly, though. And one of the best EPs.
Well, this ought to be interesting. Just went thru Tyrias' banned list. From that entire list, there's only about 15-20 artists overlapping in my library - and only a 10 or so that I'd even consider sending in a roulette. I'm screwed too... but at least I'll have lots to choose from!
425s isn't much better - about 50 artists that I have... 1/2 or so of them as a result of his first roulette.
Out of curiosity, how old are you two?
I'm 19.
In fairness, I only have a little over 100 artists on my banned list for this roulette in total... So you have about half of the artists on my banned list, which is a decent enough overlap IMO.
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looking over Tyrias' roulette and i feel like i'll do decently well actually
tho apparently someone already sent Saor which is a bit surprising and also means i likely can't send Saor myself
need to see them banned lists
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That's why you'll participate in my v2, then? ;)
:three
tbh you've put me on to some dece stuff, i give you props for that. But I still can't believe you disregard so many classic bands
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I'm not really a match for either of these two judges. They also both feel a bit too similar in tastes also for my liking for this type of thing if I want to be brutally honest.
Happy to play my hand though.
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They also both feel a bit too similar in tastes also for my liking for this type of thing if I want to be brutally honest.
I did want a judge that was heavily into the hard rock/metal stuff, given the list of possible participants, but unfortunately no one fitting that description was interested.
Still, I'm sure you have plenty to offer all three, it's just a matter of whether you figure them out before you get eliminated or not.
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Banned lists incoming, it's a pretty long post.
Starting off, here are the banned lists for each of the coloured rounds.
GREEN BANNED LIST
A Dog Called Ego
ABBA
Adjiri Odametey
Agalloch
Alcest
Amatorski
Amplifier
Anathema
And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead
Arcade Fire
Arctic Monkeys
Arkasia
Arstidir
Avicii
AWOLNATION
AZEDIA
Biffy Clyro
Bilderbuch
Blackfield
Bon Iver
Brand New
Bruce Soords & Jonas Renkse
Caravan Palace
Chelsea Wolfe
Christina Stürmer
Clint Mansell
Coldplay
Damien Rice
Danjal
Deafheaven
Deichkind
Devin Townsend Project (and all related projects)
Die Ärzte
Die Toten Hosen
Dream Theater
Epica
Erste Allgemeine Verunsicherung
Evanescence
Fair To Midland
Flogging Molly
Foals
Foo Fighters
Franz Ferdinand
Gavin Harrison
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Gojira
Green Day
Gregor Samsa
Haken
IQ
Iron Maiden
James LaBrie
Jon Glomm
Jonsi
Jonsi & Alex
Jordan Rudess
Kamelot
Katatonia
Kvelertak
Led Zeppelin
Linkin Park
Liquid Tension Experiment
London Grammar
Lorde
MGMT
MONO
Múm
Mumford & Sons
Muse
Ne Obliviscaris
Nightwish
Nils Frahm
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
Oceansize
Of Monsters And Men
Ólafur Arnalds
Opeth
OSI
Pain Of Salvation
Pendulu
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Portishead
Queen
Queens Of The Stone Age
Radiohead
Rammstein
Rush
Russian Circles
Scooter
Second Person
Sigur Rós
Silver Mt. Zion
Smashing Pumpkins
Steven Wilson
Storm Corrosion
Styx
Susanne Sundfor
Swans
Symphony X
System of A Down
Tenhi
Thank You Scientist
The Dear Hunter
The Decemberists
The Killers
The Legendary Pink Dots
The National
The Pineapple Thief
The Tallest Man On Earth
The xx
Thrice
Ulver
Vennart
Wanda
Within Temptation
Yes
BLUE BANNED LIST
Anathema
Ayreon
Beach House
Black Sabbath
Blaze Bayley
Bon Iver
Bruce Dickinson
Bruce Hornsby
Coheed and Cambria
Coldplay
David Maxim Micic
The Dear Hunter
Death Cab for Cutie
Dio
Dire Straits
Don Henley
Dream Theater
Flying Colors
The Gentle Storm
Haken
IQ
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Kamelot
Led Zeppelin
Liquid Tension Experiment
Lorde
Marketa Irglova
Megadeth
Metallica
Neal Morse
Nightwish
Opeth
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Queensr˙che
Redemption
Rush
Seventh Wonder
Sigur Ros
Spock’s Beard
Steve Harris
Steven Wilson
Sufjan Stevens
Susanne Sundfřr
Symphony X
Taylor Swift
TesseracT
Thrice
Transatlantic
Tuomas Holopainen
Voices from the Fuselage
The Who
Yes
After Forever
Amethystium
Ben Folds Five
Brand New
Casualties of Cool
Christina Perri
Constantine
Dave Matthews Band
Dimension Act
Eden's Curse
Fair to Midland
Fields of the Nephilim
fun.
God Is an Astronaut
Grateful Dead
Grayceon
Green Carnation
Half Moon Run
Harvest
iamthemorning
Janelle Monae
Jon Gomm
Jon Lord
Justin Cross
Kevin Gilbert
Kishi Bashi
The Lone Bellow
Low Roar
Marillion
Massive Attack
The Mayan Factor
Mew
No-Man
The Offspring
Olafur Arnalds
Patrick Watson
Phideaux
Portishead
Queen
The Raconteurs
Red House Painters
Santigold
Snarky Puppy
Steve Rothery
Styx
The Tallest Man On Earth
Thank You Scientist
Ulver
Vanden Plas
RED BANNED LIST
Anathema
Angra
Animals As Leaders
Ayreon
Bon Iver
Boston
Brand New
Chimp Spanner
Coldplay
Dream Theater
Enchant
Fair To Midland
Fleetwood Mac
Flying Colors
Foo Fighters
Frost*
Genesis
Gentle Giant
Haken
IQ
Iron Maiden
Jimi Hendrix
Jon Gomm
Journey
Kamelot
Kansas
King Crimson
Led Zeppelin
Liquid Tension Experiment
Lorde
Marillion
Michael Jackson
Nightwish
Ólafur Arnalds
Opeth
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Portishead
Queen
Rainbow
Rush
Scale The Summit
Sigur Rós
Sonata Arctica
Steely Dan
Steven Wilson
Styx
Supertramp
Susanne Sundfřr
Symphony X
Thank You Scientist
The Beatles
The Dear Hunter
The Police
The Tallest Man On Earth
The Who
Thrice
Ulver
Yes
Then, here are the individual judges' banned lists.
TYRIAS BANNED LIST
And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead
A Dog Called Ego
ABBA
Adjiri Odametey
Agalloch
Alcest
Amatorski
Amplifier
Anathema
Arcade Fire
Arctic Monkeys
Arkasia
Arstidir
Avicii
AWOLNATION
AZEDIA
Biffy Clyro
Bilderbuch
Blackfield
Bon Iver
Brand New
Bruce Soords & Jonas Renkse
Caravan Palace
Chelsea Wolfe
Christina Stürmer
Clint Mansell
Coldplay
Damien Rice
Danjal
Deafheaven
Deichkind
Devin Townsend Project (and all related projects)
Die Ärzte
Die Toten Hosen
Dream Theater
Epica
Erste Allgemeine Verunsicherung
Evanescence
Fair To Midland
Flogging Molly
Foals
Foo Fighters
Franz Ferdinand
Gavin Harrison
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Gojira
Green Day
Gregor Samsa
Haken
IQ
Iron Maiden
James LaBrie
Jon Glomm
Jonsi
Jonsi & Alex
Jordan Rudess
Kamelot
Katatonia
Kvelertak
Linkin Park
London Grammar
Lorde
MGMT
MONO
Múm
Mumford & Sons
Muse
Ne Obliviscaris
Nightwish
Nils Frahm
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
Oceansize
Of Monsters And Men
Ólafur Arnalds
Opeth
OSI
Pain Of Salvation
Pendulu
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Portishead
Queens Of The Stone Age
Radiohead
Rammstein
Russian Circles
Scooter
Second Person
Sigur Rós
Silver Mt. Zion
Smashing Pumpkins
Steven Wilson
Storm Corrosion
Susanne Sundfor
Swans
System of A Down
Tenhi
Thank You Scientist
The Dear Hunter
The Decemberists
The Killers
The Legendary Pink Dots
The National
The Pineapple Thief
The Tallest Man On Earth
The xx
Thrice
Ulver
Vennart
Wanda
Within Temptation
425 BANNED LIST
Anathema
Ayreon
Beach House
Black Sabbath
Blaze Bayley
Bon Iver
Bruce Dickinson
Bruce Hornsby
Coheed and Cambria
Coldplay
David Maxim Micic
The Dear Hunter
Death Cab for Cutie
Dio
Dire Straits
Don Henley
Dream Theater
Flying Colors
The Gentle Storm
Haken
IQ
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Kamelot
Led Zeppelin
Liquid Tension Experiment
Lorde
Marketa Irglova
Megadeth
Metallica
Neal Morse
Nightwish
Opeth
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Queensr˙che
Redemption
Rush
Seventh Wonder
Sigur Ros
Spock’s Beard
Steve Harris
Steven Wilson
Sufjan Stevens
Susanne Sundfřr
Symphony X
Taylor Swift
TesseracT
Thrice
Transatlantic
Tuomas Holopainen
Voices from the Fuselage
The Who
Yes
After Forever
Amethystium
Ben Folds Five
Brand New
Casualties of Cool
Christina Perri
Constantine
Dave Matthews Band
Dimension Act
Eden's Curse
Fair to Midland
Fields of the Nephilim
fun.
God Is an Astronaut
Grateful Dead
Grayceon
Green Carnation
Half Moon Run
Harvest
iamthemorning
Janelle Monae
Jon Gomm
Jon Lord
Justin Cross
Kevin Gilbert
Kishi Bashi
The Lone Bellow
Low Roar
Marillion
Massive Attack
The Mayan Factor
Mew
No-Man
The Offspring
Olafur Arnalds
Patrick Watson
Phideaux
Portishead
Queen
The Raconteurs
Red House Painters
Santigold
Snarky Puppy
Steve Rothery
Styx
The Tallest Man On Earth
Thank You Scientist
Ulver
Vanden Plas
MR. RED BANNED LIST
Angra
Animals As Leaders
Ayreon
Boston
Chimp Spanner
Dream Theater
Enchant
Fleetwood Mac
Flying Colors
Foo Fighters
Frost*
Genesis
Gentle Giant
IQ
Jimi Hendrix
Journey
Kansas
King Crimson
Led Zeppelin
LTE
Marillion
Michael Jackson
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Queen
Rainbow
Rush
Scale The Summit
Sonata Arctica
Steely Dan
Styx
Supertramp
Symphony X
The Beatles
The Dear Hunter
The Police
The Who
Yes
BANNED DURING THE ROULETTE
Absolute Priority
Alpha Rev
Alter Bridge
Alt-J
Amadeus Awad
Amorphis
Anubis
Arcane
Avantasia
Baroness
Beardfish
Bent Knee
Beyond The Bridge
Blind Guardian
Blue Sky Black Death
David Bowie
David Gilmour
David Gray
Dec Burke
Diablo Swing Orchestra
Distorted Harmony
DJ Shadow
Dragon
Dream The Electric Sleep
East of the Wall
Evergrey
Fanticide
Fates Warning
Faunts
Fish
Flaming Row
Florence + The Machine
Galahad
Glen Hansard
Hammock
Headspace
Heart of Cygnus
James Blake
Jethro Tull
Kingcrow
Leprous
Lights & Motion
Lord Huron
Ludovico Einaudi
Mandroid Echostar
Mark Knopfler
Max Richter
Mazzy Star
Meat Loaf
Myrath
Neil Young
Nightingale
Nordic Giants
Pagan's Mind
Papadosio
Pure Reason Revolution
Pyramaze
Rishloo
Riverside
Roger Waters
Saltillo
Solution .45
Structural Disorder
The Appleseed Cast
The Hirsch Effekt
Von Hertzen Brothers
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ok so how is each round's banned list different from the judge's individual banned lists, or how are the colored-round banned lists built
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ok so how is each round's banned list different from the judge's individual banned lists, or how are the colored-round banned lists built
The banned list for each round consists of that judge's entire list, plus anything that is banned by both of the secondary judges. These are the lists that will be in play during the roulette.
There are two reasons for posting the individual lists: So that people can get an idea of the judge's tastes if they aren't already familiar with them, and so that people can check if a secondary judge may choose to abstain on their submissions.
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I'll be going purely off the coloured lists.
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Nice. When will this thing start?
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Nihil, get your ass in here to represent my roulette. I'm rooting for you buddy.
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Methinks I know who the Red judge is.
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I have an idea of who it might be, but then one or two artists on that banned list completely put me off.
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Nice. When will this thing start?
The competition won't be starting for at least another week
Nihil, get your ass in here to represent my roulette. I'm rooting for you buddy.
Everyone who was eligible was sent a PM and all of them have since visited the forum. I had every intention of considering no response to mean declining. I won't hold off starting this proper on the planned date for anyone.
Methinks I know who the Red judge is.
Probably.
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And I see no possibility of it being Mystery Machine
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Nice. When will this thing start?
The competition won't be starting for at least another week
That's like me asking what something is and you just telling me it's not yogurt. I know when the roulette won't be starting, but I'd like to know if you at least have a tentative date.
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For me personally, I have guests from pretty far away over the weekend and won't have time to listen to submissions until monday evening. Since it will probably take some time for everyone to send anyway, maybe set this weekend as starting day?
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since i'm going to be gone from the 6th to the 9th i won't rlly be able to send anything yet (though i guess i could pick out a first entry today but the green round is the one i'm not as sure what i want to send for, i have rounds 2 and 3 already decided :lol )
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Nice. When will this thing start?
The competition won't be starting for at least another week
That's like me asking what something is and you just telling me it's not yogurt. I know when the roulette won't be starting, but I'd like to know if you at least have a tentative date.
I wanted to start on the 8th (which is one week after I made that post) however this was dependant on one of the judges being ready at that point. It may or may not be delayed a day or two. I only sort of had a tentative date.
But having said that, if people have worked out what they want to submit for the first round, I don't mind if they want to start sending now. Just be aware that the submissions might not be getting listened to at all until the 8th/9th/10th.
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That's good to know, because I'm going to be away at 8th, 9th and 10th. Will try to send today or tomorrow.
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Thanks, sorry if I sounded like a whiny bitch, it wasn't my intention but I read what I wrote again and think I came off like that :blush
I think I know what I'll be sending but I'll do a little bit more thinking before.
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I think I know what I'll be sending but I'll do a little bit more thinking before.
This... but not doing any thinking. Just have to double check what colour round this is, and make sure I'm not sending anything banned.
Bolsters... to save your inbox here, I'll just email these to you, ok?
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Bolsters... to save your inbox here, I'll just email these to you, ok?
PMs are fine, I don't really utilise what inbox space I do have. I have plenty of room.
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Bolsters... to save your inbox here, I'll just email these to you, ok?
PMs are fine, I don't really utilise what inbox space I do have. I have plenty of room.
Well, I sent it to you over Spotify.
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Sent, bitches.
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Well, I sent it to you over Spotify.
If anyone else would rather do this (instead of sending Spotify URI links through PM), my username is bolsters.s
Additionally, I said I'd send off what I have received to the judges every 24 hours, but if I get five submissions before that period has passed I will pass what I have along early.
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Sent.
@Tyrias: this is my (sort of) answer to that Arstidir entry of yours in my roulette. At least it has that folk vibe and I love that song, so there's that. I don't think I would've picked this song for any other round, but I think it's perfect for yours.
@425: let's see how you'll like this. You didn't include this artist in your banned list so I figured I'll have a go with it. This should be more up your alley than the previous time I tried it.
@Mr. Red: if you happen to dislike this song, I regret to inform you that your tastes probably suck and I'm not looking forward to your round at all.
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Consider me intrigued, I've been looking for music in that vibe but haven't been able to find anything else that good in that style.
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It's not exactly in that style. :lol Well, you'll see what I mean.
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I'll send something random tonight.
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Three have sent thus far, and I just passed the first batch on to the judges. :metal
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Could you link to the OP the posts with the banned lists and the rounds? Kind of annoying having to scroll through the entire thread to find them :P
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Could you link to the OP the posts with the banned lists and the rounds? Kind of annoying having to scroll through the entire thread to find them :P
Or you could bookmark it yourself :P
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Could you link to the OP the posts with the banned lists and the rounds? Kind of annoying having to scroll through the entire thread to find them :P
Or you could bookmark it yourself :P
No, it's a reasonable request. I'm on it.
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Could you link to the OP the posts with the banned lists and the rounds? Kind of annoying having to scroll through the entire thread to find them :P
Or you could bookmark it yourself :P
No, it's a reasonable request. I'm on it.
Thanks - I'm too lazy to bookmark the posts :angel:
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I sent
To the judges, if you're out there (and Bolsters isn't censoring the identities behind each submission):
Turn your volume up loud to hear the beginning well and don't, under any circumstances, turn the volume down as the piece progresses. I understand that this might not be the most conventional thing to send for a roulette, but I think it has something to offer. More than anything it's my attempt at introducing a certain kind of atmosphere and intensity, rather than a certain kind of music. Don't bother singing along, but to try to keep an open mind. Maybe light some incense and turn the lights off. It's an exercise in climax.
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^this guy knows what he's doing. Most elaborate submission I've ever seen.
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I sent
To the judges, if you're out there (and Bolsters isn't censoring the identities behind each submission):
Turn your volume up loud to hear the beginning well and don't, under any circumstances, turn the volume down as the piece progresses. I understand that this might not be the most conventional thing to send for a roulette, but I think it has something to offer. More than anything it's my attempt at introducing a certain kind of atmosphere and intensity, rather than a certain kind of music. Don't bother singing along, but to try to keep an open mind. Maybe light some incense and turn the lights off. It's an exercise in climax.
I think you are taking this too seriously bro.
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When I ran my first roulette I noticed that some people gave a lot more background info than others. Maybe the reasons they loved the song, or why it was influential on their music tastes in general. Just something to set the right kind of mood. I learned to appreciate those tidbits a lot, even in those instances when the song wasn't my thing. It might even've given them the inside track on the first listen (though that was usually corrected after multiple listens, anyways).
Now I'm just trying to pass the torch along, even if it is (sometimes) in an admittedly goofy or pretentious way :lol
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Yeah the first roulette I participated in I simply sent the youtube links, I didn't really know how it worked. Now I write whatever comes to my mind when listening to that song hoping that it would invoke the same feeling with OP.
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When I ran my first roulette I noticed that some people gave a lot more background info than others. Maybe the reasons they loved the song, or why it was influential on their music tastes in general. Just something to set the right kind of mood. I learned to appreciate those tidbits a lot, even in those instances when the song wasn't my thing. It might even've given them the inside track on the first listen (though that was usually corrected after multiple listens, anyways).
Now I'm just trying to pass the torch along, even if it is (sometimes) in an admittedly goofy or pretentious way :lol
I totally appreciate the insight/background info. It probably doesn't ultimately affect the scores I give each particular song, but I do like to hear a little bit about what the song means to the person who sent it or whatever else they think might be interesting about it. :tup
And so far, Bolsters has not been censoring the names of who sent each song, so I imagine I will be able to follow your instructions.
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I sent
To the judges, if you're out there (and Bolsters isn't censoring the identities behind each submission):
Turn your volume up loud to hear the beginning well and don't, under any circumstances, turn the volume down as the piece progresses. I understand that this might not be the most conventional thing to send for a roulette, but I think it has something to offer. More than anything it's my attempt at introducing a certain kind of atmosphere and intensity, rather than a certain kind of music. Don't bother singing along, but to try to keep an open mind. Maybe light some incense and turn the lights off. It's an exercise in climax.
I think you are taking this too seriously bro.
No, I'm not--I'm acutely aware of why you'd say that, though. I also read the things I post and like I said, while you were ninja'ing me, I can spot the occasional goofiness and pretension.
Bottom line: it's just a game and I'm not losing any sleep over it, but all of the above is all part of that game. It's role playing, as much as anything. All part of the fun. I'll add to my testimony: I don't own incense
(yes, even this explanation now looks like I'm taking things too seriously. It's an infinite regress, or some shit like that. I don't know logic... :\;):huh:).
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And so far, Bolsters has not been censoring the names of who sent each song, so I imagine I will be able to follow your instructions.
Has Bolsters also passed the words I wrote describing my song and explaining what it's about to the judges? I asked him to do it but didn't get any confirmation.
If he didn't, I'll just send a PM to you and Tyrias. I can't post them in this thread without revealing what I've sent.
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Yes, we got names for every song and Evermind's explanation.
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Round 1 sent.
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Sent
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When I ran my first roulette I noticed that some people gave a lot more background info than others. Maybe the reasons they loved the song, or why it was influential on their music tastes in general. Just something to set the right kind of mood. I learned to appreciate those tidbits a lot, even in those instances when the song wasn't my thing. It might even've given them the inside track on the first listen (though that was usually corrected after multiple listens, anyways).
Now I'm just trying to pass the torch along, even if it is (sometimes) in an admittedly goofy or pretentious way :lol
I was sad when you stopped sending me long descriptions :(
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I think it's because, ironically enough, I didnt think I had a very good chance of winning
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you stopped after lunatic soul I think so yeah fair enough :lol
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Yeah I think you were frustrating me with you harsher-than-the-mean scoring. Of course you were doing it for everyone, and in hindsight I have no right to complain, but still :lol
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Sent. I'm sure Blue and Green will love it, but not so much about Red :huh:
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Dark Castle and Parama are the last of the confirmed 10 to send. No hurry though, since this is only officially starting...right now.
I haven't heard from four people but they've had more than a week to respond to my PM or post in the thread (and all of them have been active on the forum, so I know they saw it), therfore I think it's pretty clear what their answer is. So, it looks like we're moving forward with just this 10.
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i'll send tomorrow night
I feel like i'll do poorly with red in every round though :lol
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Red definitely seems like the odd man out, of the three judges. I think I have a lot of good stuff for him (or her?), based on the list, it's just going to be a little more difficult to find things that I think all three judges will enjoy.
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Red definitely seems like the odd man out, of the three judges. I think I have a lot of good stuff for him (or her?), based on the list, it's just going to be a little more difficult to find things that I think all three judges will enjoy.
Yup. That's the challenge with doing these championship roulettes... it's such a mixed bag of participants, getting consistency in judging is all but impossible. I know I could get stuff for Red no problem; 425, I'm think the stuff I submit should be palatable; Tyrias... it's a complete shot in the dark.
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i'll send tomorrow night
I feel like i'll do poorly with red in every round though :lol
If you want I can send this one for you also
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I sent in this roulette and all others :tup
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following!
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Okay, with the number of participants now set at ten, I have worked out how many of you will be eliminated at each Elimination Point. So here's how it's going down:
Tier 1 (participants: 10)
- Elimination Point (2 eliminated)
Tier 2 (participants: 8)
- Elimination Point (3 eliminated)
Tier 3 (participants: 5)
- Elimination Point (2 eliminated)
Tier 4 (participants: 3)
I decided that eliminating three after the first tier was perhaps a bit harsh, and I think cutting the number of participants in half going into the finals is too high. Therefore, the elimination point in the middle is the one where the most people will be cut.
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so we'll have 8 players, then 5?
nuggetz
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I haven't heard from four people but they've had more than a week to respond to my PM or post in the thread (and all of them have been active on the forum, so I know they saw it), therfore I think it's pretty clear what their answer is. So, it looks like we're moving forward with just this 10.
That's pretty bloody rude IMO. A simply 'no thanks,' is not much to ask.
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Resent :facepalm:
I'm sure Tyrias and Mr. Red will love it, and please 425, don't hate it :lol
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my green rounds are mostly going to go to the heavier metal stuff because tyrias can handle it but i'm not so sure about the other two :P
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please 425, don't hate it :lol
Did you send something that's going to annoy me or weird me out? Hopefully you didn't send "Repetitive Tribal Drumbeats and Mechanical Noises feat. Shrieking Guitar Noise".
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Everyone is in sans the Dork.
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please 425, don't hate it :lol
Did you send something that's going to annoy me or weird me out? Hopefully you didn't send "Repetitive Tribal Drumbeats and Mechanical Noises feat. Shrieking Guitar Noise".
oh, brb, gotta change my entry
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Needs more drone.
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please 425, don't hate it :lol
Did you send something that's going to annoy me or weird me out? Hopefully you didn't send "Repetitive Tribal Drumbeats and Mechanical Noises feat. Shrieking Guitar Noise".
What if I send you this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY0NEQd3_co)? :P
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Dark Castle has chosen to drop out, so everyone is in.
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First listen is done, so far everything would range from good to very good. I guess my scores will vary between 8(or higher) and 13, unless something really grows on me or I figure out I actually hate a song.
You can expect my final write-ups at friday at the latest, I may post some small teasers in between today and then to encourage speculation.
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I guess my scores will vary between 8(or higher) and 13
Have I missed something?
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I guess my scores will vary between 8(or higher) and 13
Have I missed something?
Yeah, this:
So I guess my scoring system is going to be:
5(in Sec rounds)/15(when I'm main judge): This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead.
4/12: Really great song, I'll definetely check this artist out after the roulette is over.
3/9: Good song. I can see myself listening to this again or putting it on when I'm in the mood, but I'm not sure I'll check out the artist.
2/6: Ok song. Doesn't impress me at all, but neither is it jarring to listen to.
1/3: Barely listenable. I don't really want to hear of this artist ever again.
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Sweet. My attention span is on fire yet again.
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:lol
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I just finished my first listen. There was at least something that I liked about each song. Some songs impressed me, others had their moments but didn't make a strong impact on the whole this time. I'm probably going to borrow Tyrias's scoring system just so that I have a basis for where to score things that makes sense and doesn't result in scores getting all bunched up around the top or something.
I think Friday is a likely day for me as well. Since this isn't my round I don't want to hold things up too much. Saturday is possible, but I will try to finish by the end of the day on Friday.
Random trivia that will actually provide little to no useful information: Two of my initial top three favorite songs from this round came from people who were not in my roulette.
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red will probably hate my entry this round but yolo w/e
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I've started working on the write-ups. They seem to be on the longer side though, so friday is probably still the date I'll post them.
red will probably hate my entry this round but yolo w/e
I'm inclined to agree to this assessment :lol
Also, I'm realising that my initial assessment of at least half of the song were pretty bad. Some early favourites are now more middle-of-the-field, and some songs I thought were pretty bland on first listen are now in the top three.
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Ok, I was done earlier than I thought I would be, so here are the write-ups. There are no points attached yet, Bolsters asked us to leave them out when we post the write-ups, he will post all of them together when all the judges are done. I post the results in order of how much I liked the songs though, so you have an inkling where you stand. You might of course also have the same amount of points as the players next to you. Also, between first and last place there is a 4.5 point difference in my scores. I at least liked all of the songs though.
Round 1 write-ups:
I’m deliberately somewhat strict with my scoring, don’t be too disappointed when you get your scores. It’s going to be almost impossible to get a perfect score in one of my rounds, and if you get anything above a 12 it means I totally loved your song. Heck, even a 9 still means I thought it was a good song. Going by schooling scoring system, I’d say that a 6 or higher would be a passing grade.
Sacul: Riverside - Driven to Destruction
I have heard of Riverside before of course, but never heard more than a few songs. After the first 3 listens I can remember literally nothing from this song, except for liking it every time. I really like the build-up and guitar layering in the intro. There are cool riffs all over the place, and the songs demands attention at all times. My only real problem is that it feels really similar all over its seven minutes. That’s not a problem with atmospheric songs, but I think a song as busy as this one needs a bit more variation in feeling over its duration. So overall, I’d say that this was a good song but not a great one. I’m not sure if it prompted me to check them out further.
Resent :facepalm:
I'm sure Tyrias and Mr. Red will love it, and please 425, don't hate it :lol
Sorry :angel:.
Wolfking: Nightingale - Forevermore
If I had to sum this song up in two words it would probably be “Pop-Metal”. This is probably not something I would have ever listened to on my own, since my musical discoveries have been going in quite different directions lately. It’s a pretty upbeat song, where the keyboards and a cleaner background guitar do most of the atmosphere in the background, while the main rhythm guitars are more in the front. My favourite thing about this song are probably the vocals (which is pretty ironic since I thought the vocals didn’t fit at all the first time I listened to the song). Out of all the songs in this round, this probably has the best singer. I also like the kind of happy atmosphere the keyboards make. What brings it down are the rhythm guitars. The riffs just seem really bland to me, but the guitars are mixed so loud they feel more like the main instrument than a supporting one in here. I think this song would have really benefited from guitars taking more of a background role.
Parama: East of The Wall - Whiskey Slipper/Underachiever
First of, it’s kind of cheating sending two songs in one round. But they flow into each other so seamlessly that it really could have just been one long song, so I’ll let it slip.
Now, what is this? I’m really having a hard time placing this genre-wise. It has hardcore-ish screams, some clean vocals, chaotic drums and relatively melodic guitar parts, with some really heavy parts mixed in. It also defies any kind of conventional song structure. The first time I listened to the batch of songs, this one was definitely my favourite. The second time around I hated it. The third time I thought it was ok-ish to good, and now I’m loving it again. What I learn from this is that this song is really mood dependent; I can only listen to this when I’m fully awake. When I’m kind of tired all it does is annoy me.
Now, how do I grade this? Compared to most people I actually really like this scream-ish vocal style when it’s used correctly, and it is here. I also really enjoyed the clever changes in tempo, break-downs, clean parts and other parts, yet I feel there is something missing. A song like this should really hit me emotionally to work amazingly, but it only manages that to a small degree. It keeps me more occupied on an intellectual level, appreciating all the clever breaks, rhythm changes and mood changes, but fails to make a lasting emotional impact. So, while I think it’s good, I wouldn’t say it’s great.
Lonestar: Structural Disorder - Corpse Candles
I swear this song is cursed. The first four times I listened to it, I was always interrupted by either my mum or my dad needing technical help or kitchen help. Felt like the sound waves were kind of triggering an “I-need-help”-reflex in my parents . Also, I wasn’t surprised to get the most proggy track this round from you.
At my first listen I thought the vocals sounded really unfitting to the songs, but over further listens they grew on me and now I actually like them. The one exception to this are the growls. I thought they were incredibly awkward on my first listen, and I still think not having growls in this one would have really benefitted the song. Luckily, most of the time they use clean singing instead of growls. I quite liked the music in the first 5 minutes though, and the production was very interesting. It felt like the production deliberately took a lot of the heaviness away from the riffs, which suited the song, but made the growls ever so awkward.
The solos in the more quiet section after the 5 minute mark are definitely my favorite part of the song. I love the kind of jazzy atmosphere, with the delay heavy guitar laying down the chord pattern. The songs gets back to heavy(-ish) after that, with the best clean vocals in the song and a really nice keyboard solo (and then guitar) when you’d expect the awkward growl-chorus to come back. I’m glad it doesn’t.
All together, I like this, quite a bit, but the growls are really unnecessary.
And figure what just happened when I wrote this write-up while listening to the song? Yup, dad came in for the laundry.
Jingle-boy: Alpha Rev - Phoenix Burn
This was totally the most poppy song this round, but that’s not a bad thing. From the name of the band and the song, I was expecting something really proggy, but that’s obviously not how it turned out. The main star in this submission are obviously the vocal melodies, the other instruments giving the background for the voice. There’s nothing particularly flashy about any of the instruments that is particularly memorable, but they achieve what they set out to do. The only flaw of this would be that, while the singer is nice, I don’t feel like there’s anything particularly remarkable about his voice. I could see myself dancing and singing along to this at a party though, tipsy and happy.
senecadawg2 : Max Richter - Dona Nobis Pacem 2
The only soundtrack song this song. I think you might have remembered getting a perfect score with that Clint Mansell song in my last roulette ;). What can I say about it? I loved the atmosphere on my first listen from the start, than got chills as it got louder and even more chills in the climax, even though it’s just a string melody that gets louder and louder at its core (with some stuff enhancing it). Might have been the best song this round up to this point, despite being the shortest one, but then it just… ends. In the middle of the climax. It might have made sense in context with the film, but here it just leaves you hanging, and not in a good way. Still, you get a high score here for all the awesome stuff before that abrupt ending.
Scorpion: Sampo - Amorphis
Love the piano intro and the guitars that come in shortly afterwards. Overall the beginning of the songs brings up memories of a time a few years ago when I listened to music in that style almost exclusively, happy times. Then it gets a bit heavier, but it’s still pretty melodic and it becomes a bit sadder than the start, with a more quiet piano part and an awesome solo. At the start of the song I wouldn’t have thought there would be growls in this song, but when they come in they don’t feel awkward at all (not as in a certain other song this round). Overall, I’d say I don’t really listen to this style of music much anymore, but I did enjoy this very much. There’s really nothing I can point my finger on that I disliked, so well done.
Evermind: David Gilmour - Faces Of Stone
This is of course not the first time I hear of David Gilmour, I didn’t know he had a recent solo album out though. The whole song has a bit of a Pink Floyd feel, but with a twist. I don’t think this is folky at all, like you said, but I won’t hold that against the song. It starts out with a very calm piano part that sets the mood nicely, then acoustic guitar, some percussion and some other instruments I can’t quite place. The vocals are nothing spectacular, but they fit the mood of the song nicely.
What this song does best is building up an atmosphere and then subtly changing it with some additional layerings. It’s pretty melancholic, but that’s a good thing in my opinion. What really elevates this from just being a good song to a very good one are the two guitar solos. That guitar sound is just so incredibly tasty, and the solos themselves are really good as well. Nothing flashy, but really working fantastically in the context of the song. Also, I’ve had the second solo stuck in my head for two hours now.
Nekov: Hammock - (Tonight) We Burn Like Stars That Never Die
To be honest, my first impression of this song was very lackluster. Over repeated listens it grew on me quite a bit though. This is definitely the most atmospheric song in this round, even though the instrumentation is actually a lot more complex than I thought it was on first impression. It starts of really dark with a kind of electronic distorted pad sound melody, than a reverb heavy guitar comes in and some very subtle synths are added. What really makes the first 4 minutes of the song are the reverb-laden vocals and especially the chorus melody. Just so happy (actually, maybe “euphoric” might be a better word of how they make me feel, as weird as that is, given the song). The 2 minute outro is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I’ve heard in the last few months. I’m in love with the strings and horns (?) in the end of this song. Overall, fantastic song. It’s not a perfect score, but I think this is the best song for me this round. What makes it so fantastic is that every time I listen to it, my appreciation for it grows, even though it’s pretty simplistic.
Overall you did pretty good, expecially considering some of you had no idea about my tastes. I at least liked every song. Keep up the good work :tup.
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So if 9 means it's a good song, and guitar solos elevate my song from just "good" to 'very good" I guess I've got more than 9 from you. I can live with that.
425 will probably give me 1.5 out of 5, so I need to get a really high score from you.
No idea about Mr. Red at all. Since he's a mystery judge, I kinda don't even think about him when I send the songs.
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personally I can listen to East of the Wall any time any day but ehh good enough :lol
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:D
That song is definitely a grower, I remember I liked it quite a bit but as you said, it just gets better after every listen. I'm glad we're on the same page :tup
Also, I hope the other judges like it though I highly doubt the red judge will.
Edit: Forevermore is one hell of a song
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also everyone needs more hammock in their lives, aside from being really pretty music they're also the best sleeping music ever created by man, i just listened to departure songs last night :P
i really need more hammock.
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I kinda prefer Sigur Ros as sleeping music but I agree that everyone needs more hammock in their lives :smiley:
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Edit: Forevermore is one hell of a song
Indeed... though the format of the results had me thinking it was a song titled Nightingale by a band Forevermore.
Tyrias... you're a little inconsistent whether you list band or song title first. :)
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Oh come on, Driven to destruction is catchy as hell, and pretty great :sadpanda:
I'm only hoping Mr Red and 425 love it pls.
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Oh come on, Driven to destruction is catchy as hell, and pretty great :sadpanda:
I'm only hoping Mr Red and 425 love it pls.
I must say that wouldn't be my first choice for a roulette when it comes to Riverside, or second, or third... but, people have different tastes so it might work with someone else.
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driven to destruction is probably the least great song on adhd
but it's adhd, so
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Well I was between that one and Hyperactive, went with the former because dat bass :P
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Just so y'all know, I'm not really reading posts in this thread at the moment because I want to form a little stronger impression of these songs without really knowing what Tyrias's impression was.
I'm planning to do my second listen this afternoon. I'll probably do writeups on my third or maybe fourth listen tomorrow.
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So if 9 means it's a good song, and guitar solos elevate my song from just "good" to 'very good" I guess I've got more than 9 from you. I can live with that.
425 will probably give me 1.5 out of 5, so I need to get a really high score from you.
No idea about Mr. Red at all. Since he's a mystery judge, I kinda don't even think about him when I send the songs.
Well, you already know from my ranking that you are second best, so you can guess that you'll have some advantage over most of the field ;)personally I can listen to East of the Wall any time any day but ehh good enough :lol
Maybe it was just too much when I got up hungover :lol. Anyway, that was not the reason you aren't that far up, I just didn't really feel as much as I think a good song of this genre should make me feel.
I kinda prefer Sigur Ros as sleeping music but I agree that everyone needs more hammock in their lives :smiley:
I could never sleep to Sigur Ros. It might make me sleepy, alright, but the emotional turmoil their music causes inside my guts would always keep me from actually falling asleep. That emotional impact is why they're one of my favourite bands. I'll definitely check out Hammock, this is the second time someone send me a song by them in a roulette. I remember kind of liking the first one, but not nearly as much as this one. So consider me converted.
Oh come on, Driven to destruction is catchy as hell, and pretty great :sadpanda:
I'm only hoping Mr Red and 425 love it pls.
I never said it was bad, I just don't agree on the catchy and great part. It's just good in my opinion. Also, I listened to it a few more times and still the only thing I can remember is the bass line at the start :P.
Edit: Forevermore is one hell of a song
Indeed... though the format of the results had me thinking it was a song titled Nightingale by a band Forevermore.
Tyrias... you're a little inconsistent whether you list band or song title first. :)
Yeah, went back and fixed that. I actually double checked everything, but apparently that slipped by.
Well I was between that one and Hyperactive, went with the former because dat bass :P
Just listened to Hyperactive out of curiosity, and I already like it more than Driven To Destruction after only 2 minutes. Sorry to tell you, but at least for my score you did the wrong decision :-\.
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Mr. Red is nearing completion also:
I'm through with my third listen and will have scores and write ups tomorrow. There's some good songs here. Based on what I've heard my scores so far are ranging from 2 to 4.5 out of 5.
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heck yeah, 2
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Actually no, I missed the write-ups were in order, so I had no idea I was the second best in your ranking. :lol
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Actually no, I missed the write-ups were in order, so I had no idea I was the second best in your ranking. :lol
I missed that part too. Middle of the pack for a green round... I'll take that.
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It's Friday already!!!!! Maybe even Saturday for Wolfking
Won't somebody think of the Aussies?
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Saturday morning indeed. :hat
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Saturday morning indeed. :hat
Friday drinking time indeed.
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Mr. Red's writeups for Round 1:
jingle boy: Alpha Rev - Phoenix Burn
I did enjoy this song. It was light and upbeat. However, to me, it was nothing special. It sounded like a typical feel good mainstream rock song. Nothing wrong with that, but it was very formulaic to me. That being said, I enjoyed the feel of it and always made me smile when it came on. I'd be interested to hear more of what this band has to offer, because I don't expect every song to sound like this.
Evermind: David Gilmour - Faces of Stone
I'm a bad bad Pink Floyd fan. I haven't heard much of Gilmour's solo stuff. This makes me want to hear more. That part in the middle where the chord structure changes feels like it could have been plucked out of Dark Side of the Moon. Love it. Plus the lyrical content is very deep as was explained in your description. I feel that Gilmour put the emotion out there perfectly. Well done.
Lonestar: Structural Disorder - Corpse Candles
This song grew on me a bit from the first listen. Initially I thought "man this song drags on". On every listen after that I noticed something new. Was that an accordion in the instrumental interlude? That was creative, and it worked! The growls in the chorus worked perfectly. I did think that the song dragged on by the end, especially when it repeated the same riff like 8 times at the end, but overall enjoyable.
senecadawg2: Max Richter - Dona Nobis Pacem 2
Why is this song so short? I feel that "Dona Nobis Pacem" is perfect as a title... and several images come to mind when I hear this. Is it someone pleading for peace? Is someone dying and when the music abruptly ends they die? Is someone crying out because someone died? The emotional buildup just tugs at the heartstrings. I need more!!
Nekov: Hammock - Tonight We Burn Like Stars That Never Die
It's repetitive, but it works amazingly well. I love the ethereal sound that this song has, because it does feel like bright starlight shining down. It reminds me of something like M83 meets Sigur Ros or something.
wolfking: Nightingale - Forevermore
My favorite song of the round. Love this. It wasn't over the top, I LOVE the keyboard arpeggios (when I play keyboard in the air during a song you know it's a good thing). It changed subtly throughout the piece. The singer was not over the top, but worked perfectly here. The guitarist played cleanly and not wanky. I'm definitely looking into this band once I'm done writing this. I hope to hear more of the same!
Scorpion: Amorphis - Sampo
I dug this, especially the beginning and the end. I'm not a huge fan of growls, but the interlude in the middle worked pretty well. I just felt like it was cut and paste ABA form, like there wasn't any transition between the sections of the music. I'd be interested to see more of what Amorphis has to offer though, because the clean vocal sections I really enjoyed.
Parama: East of the Wall - Whiskey Sipper/Underachiever
You called it. I am not a fan. In fact, after my first listen I was like what did I just hear? If I were to give a score immediately after that it would have been a 1 or 1.5. I made it a 2 because after several listens Whiskey Sipper turned out to be ok. Not something I would go out of my way to hear, but it was tolerable. The mix sucked though. I could barely hear the vocals until he started screaming. And then Underachiever sounded like they just played whatever while he screamed at the top of this lungs. No, I know they were playing some pretty intense complex music, I could tell... but to me why scream when only the bassist is playing? Not my style.
Sacul: Riverside - Driven to Destruction
That down low wall of sound that this song presents at the beginning and then builds up as the piece goes on I really enjoyed. Plus it's in 7 which doesn't hurt. It did feel like one solo after another (guitar solo, keys solo, a little vox, another guitar solo, a little vox, another keys solo, etc), but I know a lot of bands do that, so it doesn't hurt, it just felt like a dragged on a little bit. Another band I need to check out.
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ok i don't have a problem with anything about disliking the song musically but the mix on the apologist is absolutely perfect and i will hear no argument to the contrary :lol
i bet if i make it past the first cuts (unlikely) then mr. red will just be super mad at me for every green round i get to because that's where i plan to send the more intense metal stuff i have since tyrias is the most likely of the three to enjoy it :P
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Yes, that was an accordian. They use it in place of keyboards in most places. So fucking metal :metal :metal
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heck yeah, 2
Called it! :lol
Nice to see Mr. Red enjoyed my song and also that Nightingale song too. Maybe the red rounds won't be a disaster after all.
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Hey, with some exceptions this is actually not as different as I expected it would be from my write-ups. :lol Really curious for 425s write-ups and overall scores now.
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I'm starting my final listen now, writeups in an hour to an hour and a half.
Full disclosure: I have not read Tyrias's or Red's writeups or most of this thread, so I have very little idea of whether my opinion of these songs is in line with theirs.
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Alright, here are my writeups for round 1!
These are in alphabetical order, not order of scores.
Evermind: David Gilmour - Faces of Stone
Evermind is going to kill me if I don’t five this.
Evermind, I’m not quite THAT head over heels here. That said, I really like this song quite a bit. There are some strong emotions here as well as good instrumentation, singing and musicianship.
Gilmour has done a good job on this one at creating a powerful atmosphere and evoking some emotions. The clean guitar and other (kind of Celtic?) instrumentation are really important to this song, and accompany Gilmour’s soft, melancholic voice nicely. His singing is probably somewhat underrated—he does so well at emotional expression and has a really pleasant vocal tone.
The two guitar solos are incredible, of course, because that is what David Gilmour does best. I love the way they transition into and out of the music.
I don’t know what else to write, but I really find this song charming. It got better for me on each listen and is one of the most emotional songs of this round, which is something that I like. Evermind, you've sold me.
jingle.boy: Alpha Rev - Phoenix Burn
If I remember correctly, this is Casey from Flying Colors’ main band? The singer certainly sounds like him. Well, I like Flying Colors, I think they have some pretty good songs, but I was never as in love with them as some people seemingly were.
I like this song better than most songs from Flying Colors. In fact, this song sounds more like what I imagined Flying Colors would sound like from how it was initially described—“new-fashioned music the old-fashioned way.” This song, melodically, could be a very good song from a modern pop rock band, but instrumentally it uses more hard/prog rock instrumentation. The instrumentation is pretty good here, and rather interestingly echos some modern pop rock tropes as in the drumming on the “I’ve taken too much, giving up…” part.
Casey’s vocals are the obviously the centerpiece, and I think he does well here. The melodies are strong and the chorus definitely sticks in my head in a good way. Definitely a memorable song, probably one that will drive me to check out Alpha Rev.
lonestar: Structural Disorder - Corpse Candles
This is sort of an unusual song. Certainly not what I expected to hear from the artist and song title—this is sort of an odd hybrid of prog rock and metal with occasional death growls.
The verses have a pretty cool vibe in which the singer takes the lead and expresses sort of a worried and uneasy feeling. The growls, I feel, serve somewhat of a purpose here and are pretty brief, so I have no objection to their presence. The chorus is solid but not exceptional.
What is really interesting is the instrumental section, which restores the relatively calm but uneasy vibe from the beginning of the verses. There’s also an instrument that I can’t quite identify but sounds sort of like a harmonica? The presence of that instrument definitely sets this song apart from other prog rock/metal songs, and it plays interestingly off the guitar solo.
The final verse is the best vocal moment of the song, with the line “At least he keeps me company” being a definite highlight. The instrumental section at the end is a good finale as well.
I don’t quite know what to make of this song, but I found it pretty interesting, and it definitely has some good moments.
Nekov: Hammock - (Tonight) We Burn Like Stars
This song has a really strong atmosphere, which is a big plus for me. There’s a lovely feeling of happiness tinged with sorrow here, which I absolutely love. And it’s all punctuated by the dreamy feeling of the whole thing
The chorus is absolutely beautiful and really memorable. It repeats a lot, which is the main thing that could be considered a weakness here, but it’s such a beautiful chorus that I’m fine with it. The instrumentation and vocals are just perfectly paired to create this dreamy, beautiful atmosphere.
And as much as I’ve talked about the atmosphere, I really do think that this is a very good song strictly in a melodic sense. I'm thinking about it, and I think if you paired the vocal melodies with a very different arrangement, what you would get would still be quite a good song, even without the amazing atmosphere. This is my favorite song this round, beating out a handful of others by a nose.
Parama: East of the Wall - Whiskey Sipper/Underachiever
I don’t really know how to describe this song, genre-wise. It’s pretty far from what I would typically listen to. It’s definitely interesting and a good step outside my comfort zone.
The first couple of minutes constitute a pretty interesting buildup, starting with relatively clean guitar and some solid clean vox transitioning into a louder metal section featuring shouted vocals. Overall, the song does fairly well at oscillating between quieter and louder parts. There are certainly some good guitar melodies in there. The vocal melodies aren’t anything too special, but they’re solid. I’m not crazy about the quantity of shouted vocals as I don’t love that style, so that detracts from it a little.
My main objection is that the second half, the “Underachiever” section, I guess, is very busy. The end of “Whiskey Sipper” gets a bit like this, but I’m fine with that as a climax of sorts. Most of “Underachiever,” really, is just full of very rapid drumming and riffing with mostly shouted vocals (again, not my favorite). The music really just doesn’t breathe at all.
Overall, the two parts of this song would score pretty differently for me. This entry would score higher if it was the “Whiskey Sipper” part alone and significantly lower if it was the “Underachiever” part alone. “Whiskey Sipper” is a pretty good song and one that I could see myself going back to, but I don’t really like “Underachiever” that well.
Sacul: Riverside - Driven to Destruction
So Riverside. Sacul told me “don’t hate this” because I was sent Riverside in my roulette and wasn’t too keen on it. This apparently is actually the second track of the album, and I previously got the first track of the album. If I do enough roulettes, I’ll eventually end up listening to this whole album! :lol
But no, I don’t hate this too much. This is actually pretty cool instrumentally. I like that it opens with a good two minute instrumental section, because there are some strong riffs and melodies in there. I’m not crazy about the guitar tone, but that isn’t a huge deal in this case. The vocalist is just alright, but there are some catchy melodies, particularly in the chorus. One thing I find weird about these guys is that in both songs I’ve heard from them, they like to bring volume of the music way down, have the singer sing a line or two, and then play a loud, roaring riff, and then quiet down again for the next line. It’s not bad, it’s just weird and I thought I’d comment on it.
The chorus is actually pretty cool. As is the guitar solo that takes place about halfway through the song. Overall, this is totally a solid prog metal song. I’m still not sold on this band, but I definitely think they’re pretty talented and I think this is a pretty good song.
Scorpion: Amorphis - Sampo
The winner of my roulette kicks off the roulette championship with a very strong entry. I’d heard about Amorphis before, but I didn’t really know what they sounded like before I listened to this song, so it was a totally blind listen.
Wow, this band is very talented. The intro is immediately attention grabbing, and there are some pretty strong melodies from the singer, who is a little gruff sometimes but undoubtedly good. I also really like the guitar melodies played under the first set of choruses.
This song really just doesn’t ever stop being good. It moves through a number of different sections, each no worse than the last. The quiet section in the middle is a highlight. Growls totally work here, so that’s fine. And I can’t say enough about how strong the chorus is. This is definitely one of the strongest entries of the round.
senecadawg2: Max Richter - Dona Nobis Pacem 2
So, this is kind of an interesting submission, as it’s not really a traditional song—as seneca said, it’s more of an attempt at creating a particular atmosphere. As a result, I don’t know quite how to rank it next to a set of 8 pieces that are more song-like.
However, I do think it’s pretty interesting. I like the concept—a piece that relies on one main melody that mounts and builds from soft to loud and is accompanied by shifting background music. Sort of like an orchestral Hell’s Kitchen.
It’s an enjoyable, pretty piece of music, and I totally respect what it’s trying to do. It’s a little on the short side and doesn’t offer a lot in the way of complexity or anything, but I can’t say it isn’t pretty.
wolfking: Nightingale - Forevermore
This song is a pretty standard prog metal song in terms of sound, but it’s a really strong one that’s quite charming for whatever reason.
I like the strong presence of keyboards in a fairly heavy song (take notes: this is almost always a plus for me because I love the contrast). There is some solid individual musicianship from the keyboardist as well as the guitarist. I don’t know what it is—there seem to be a lot of singers this round who are somewhat gruff, which I usually don’t enjoy, but I appreciate all of them this round.
The chorus of this song is really strong and is definitely the highlight, it’s stuck in my head in a good way. I like this song quite a bit, it's actually one of the strongest of the round for me, in no small part due to the strength of the chorus.
My scores should pretty much reflect what I said in the writeups, but people who played in or followed my roulette should not be surprised to see the scores being a bit lower than what they would expect based on that. If you multiplied all of these scores by two and compared them to the scores I gave in my roulette, you’d come away with the impression that I found this round to be weak. This isn’t really the case, it’s more the case that I’m trying to be less of a Paula (pre-posting edit: just read Tyrias and Red's writeups and I'm still definitely the Paula of this trio) and am trying to set the bar a little higher. I’m using Tyrias’s score metric that he posted back on page 2 as a guideline and am setting the bar decently high—just because I enjoy a song all the way through doesn’t make it an automatic 4+ or anything.
Anyway, there are my writeups, and I'm sending my scores to Bolsters right now.
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if it's any consolation i feel like you'll really like my next entry
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I hope so! I still believe in you Parama, I just wasn't too keen on this one.
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Ok, it seems like a good start. Now I just need to figure out how to not fuck it up like I usually do :lol
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Ok, it seems like a good start. Now I just need to figure out how to not fuck it up like I usually do :lol
You and me both, bro.
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Alright, here are the scores! I thought about making it up as a list before posting this scoreboard, but I don't see the point as the information is the same, so here it is. :lol
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Start sending for round 2, let's see how quickly we can get everyone in.
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swag :hat
sending R2 now.
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Second place, huh? I'm alright with that. 13 out of 15 and two 4 out of 5 is about as great as it can get I guess. Glad all the judges liked my song. I'll send the next round later today.
Ok, it seems like a good start. Now I just need to figure out how to not fuck it up like I usually do :lol
Oh please, fuck up away. :lol
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Just a reminder so that it's clear: Round 2 is a blue round, therefore the primary judge this time will be 425.
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I love how my top 4 are still the top 4 in the same order even after adding the other judges' scores. The only two participants who really changed their position by a lot are Wolfking and Parama. I especially found 425's comments on Parama's song interesting, since the second part he hated so much was actually my facourite part of the song. :lol
Edit: And how I found the growls in lonestar's song awkward, while the other two judges thought they fit well :lol
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Since we only have 9 players, will it still be 3 people in the finals? If so, 2 people eliminated after every 3 rounds?
Thought I was gonna be a couple of spots higher ... precariously close to the cut line. Will send later today. Gotta have a listen to what the top 3 sent.
Also, in future, it's a lot easier/helpful if the results are ranked by score vs alphabetical.
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Since we only have 9 players, will it still be 3 people in the finals? If so, 2 people eliminated after every 3 rounds?
This is correct.
Also, in future, it's a lot easier/helpful if the results are ranked by score vs alphabetical.
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Gotta have a listen to what the top 3 sent.
I sent something that's way out of your comfort zone
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Yeah, this looks better :hat
Also sent round 2
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Gotta have a listen to what the top 3 sent.
I sent something that's way out of your comfort zone
I had a cursory listen when you got top marks for it from Tyrias. Not terrible. Have to re-listen now.
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4th is better than I expected, from reading the write-ups. It is an odd choice I guess, and I understand how it could leave some of y'all wanting more.
Hopefully this next round I can step it up a bit.
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Gotta have a listen to what the top 3 sent.
I sent something that's way out of your comfort zone
I had a cursory listen when you got top marks for it from Tyrias. Not terrible. Have to re-listen now.
I'm listening to the album right now (or at least starting to, I don't think I'll manage all 2 hours before going to bed), and it's awesome :heart
4th is better than I expected, from reading the write-ups. It is an odd choice I guess, and I understand how it could leave some of y'all wanting more.
Hopefully this next round I can step it up a bit.
I realize my write-ups are probably still not as clear, in term of what I liked and why I gave a certain score, as I'd like them to be. I guess that's just because English isn't my first language and while I'm fairly confident in my English abilities, I'm just not used to having to articulate what I liked in a song and what I didn't. It's been a while since my last roulette, and looking back at it, most of my write-ups were pretty awful back then. I guess I'll improve in the next rounds with practice.
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Rip in pieces my chances of getting far on this roulette :lol
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Sent.
Also, can we get a list of the newly added banned bands in the op or something?
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4th is better than I expected, from reading the write-ups. It is an odd choice I guess, and I understand how it could leave some of y'all wanting more.
Hopefully this next round I can step it up a bit.
I realize my write-ups are probably still not as clear, in term of what I liked and why I gave a certain score, as I'd like them to be. I guess that's just because English isn't my first language and while I'm fairly confident in my English abilities, I'm just not used to having to articulate what I liked in a song and what I didn't. It's been a while since my last roulette, and looking back at it, most of my write-ups were pretty awful back then. I guess I'll improve in the next rounds with practice.
Didn't mean it as a criticism of your write-ups, or anything like that, I just thought the disappointment about the abrupt ending was going to be more costly.
Anyways, I've sent!
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Also, can we get a list of the newly added banned bands in the op or something?
I've added a list of artists banned during the roulette to the post with all of the other banned lists. There's a link to it at the bottom of the OP.
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I have sent my song.
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Round 2 sent.
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I'm listening to the album right now (or at least starting to, I don't think I'll manage all 2 hours before going to bed), and it's awesome :heart
:tup
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It's an excellent record, indeed :smiley:
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Hey, Bolsters, I can't see the scoreboards at the moment. I just get the little blue question marks. Is this just me or have they actually vanished?
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They're still there.
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i'm gonna try and get at least 2-3 more hammock albums this year because i've been slacking on doing that, seeing as i love departure songs and all
i already have some 10 albums lined up for my next music purchase though, and i'm gonna have a lot less time to give stuff proper listens once i start working, though :lol
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Sent my song.
@425: I've got a perfect song for you, but it's over 10-minutes limit, so for this round, I've got another perfect song for you. If I've learned anything during playing in your roulette, you should love this big time. When I've heard you'll be one of the judges, I immediately had this song in my mind. I wanted to send it in your roulette but could've find a right time to do it... well, now is the right time, I guess.
@Tyrias: This might be a bit outside of your comfort zone, but I'm confident enough in your tastes that you can recognize a great song when you see one. I hope this will be the case here. I'm also fairly sure you'll love the ending.
@Mr. Red: Since you've liked both David Gilmour song and Nightingale one, I start to think you may be a great person with awesome tastes. I've got two songs lined up for your round, one in case you trash this one up and another one in case you'll like this song. I think it's more likely you'll give this a good score... but hey, you're a mystery for a reason. Also, if you don't like this song, I retract my statement about your greatness and awesome tastes. Think it over.
@RJ: Sorry about that, bud. :lol
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@Tyrias: This might be a bit outside of your comfort zone, but I'm confident enough in your tastes that you can recognize a great song when you see one. I hope this will be the case here. I'm also fairly sure you'll love the ending.
@Mr. Red: Since you've liked both David Gilmour song and Nightingale one, I start to think you may be a great person with awesome tastes. I've got two songs lined up for your round, one in case you trash this one up and another one in case you'll like this song. I think it's more likely you'll give this a good score... but hey, you're a mystery for a reason. Also, if you don't like this song, I retract my statement about your greatness and awesome tastes. Think it over.
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@Tyrias - maybe you'll like this, it's not something i think you would hate
@425 - i find it unlikely you'll dislike this, and you'll definitely like it way more than East of the Wall
@Red - i dunno what the hell you like but you'll also like this way more than East of the Wall
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I don't have any messages specific to the judge, but I've submitted one of my top 3-5 songs from the past few years and if you don't like it at least a little bit then maybe we should just stay friends.
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Now that I'm rereading my post it did indeed come out as an eyes-roll-worthy statement. :lol
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:lol
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Well, I guess we'll see if I'll prove worthy of your confidence in my tastes :lol.
I don't have any messages specific to the judge, but I've submitted one of my top 3-5 songs from the past few years and if you don't like it at least a little bit then maybe we should just stay friends.
I felt like I knew the name of your artist from somewhere the moment I saw it. Now I just remembered he was in a movie called "Once" I saw a few years ago. Beautiful movie. Now let's hope the song you sent me is as good as the movie, cause I never got around to checking out this artist's solo work (or band work? not sure).@Tyrias - maybe you'll like this, it's not something i think you would hate
@425 - i find it unlikely you'll dislike this, and you'll definitely like it way more than East of the Wall
@Red - i dunno what the hell you like but you'll also like this way more than East of the Wall
from the first few seconds that started playing when I opened the link I can tell you that I at least don't like that kind of German accent ::). We'll see about the music when I have all the songs :P.Hey, Bolsters, I can't see the scoreboards at the moment. I just get the little blue question marks. Is this just me or have they actually vanished?
They never worked for me on the phone, maybe that's where you looked at them?
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well you just gave away what seneca sent pretty swiftly :lol
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well you just gave away what seneca sent pretty swiftly :lol
Forreal :lol
As for the comment, while I really like the movie, his solo material is (in many cases) significantly better than Once. This should be one of those cases...
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Yeah, true, I realized that a bit too late. :P but i think everyone has sent anyway, so I guess it won't matter that much.
Also, I'm pretty sure at leadt half the participants would still need google to know what I'm talking about.
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If he's sending the same song he sent me, this should be a solid +-21/25 score at the very least.
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yeah, seneca will probably win this round
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Crap I haven't sent yet, will do so in an hour or two, after posting my roulette results :P
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hype :soon:
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Crap I haven't sent yet, will do so in an hour or two, after posting my roulette results :P
Cool, once you're in we will have everyone.
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I have no damn clue if any of the judges will like mine, not that I'm too worried. Literally took me 30 seconds to pick. :lol
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Crap I haven't sent yet, will do so in an hour or two
Liar. ;D
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Hey, Bolsters, I can't see the scoreboards at the moment. I just get the little blue question marks. Is this just me or have they actually vanished?
They never worked for me on the phone, maybe that's where you looked at them?
I was looking at them on a computer, so I don't know what was up. I can see them now, though, so it's all good.
Very excited to hear what everyone has sent! Also excited to be the host of this round and the main judge this time... I'll try to be a little more active in the thread than I was this past round. I love how Evermind comes in totally confident that I'm going to love his song (which is encouraging, but also a bit intimidating, because I remember what happens when I don't enthusiastically love an Evermind submission :lol ). And then the best Parama can say is "you probably won't dislike this." :lol
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Sent. I'm confident you'll all like this, specially you 425 :tup
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maybe it's because i'm not that interested in entering "safe" music in roulettes anymore, since my own music tastes have gotten progressively weirder over the course of the past year, i'unno
though my entry this round isn't really that weird either, so
then again my planned entry for round the red is really safe because i have no clue what they like really, i'll probably go over their results post and banned list again at some point i guess
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Everyone is in and I've sent off the last few submissions to the judges. :corn
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goal: at least 15 points this time
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Like my song or I'm sending y'all a picture of my dick for my next submission.
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Like my song or I'm sending y'all a picture of my dick for my next submission.
You know some judges might give a low score on purpose... :zydar:
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Like my song or I'm sending y'all a picture of my dick for my next submission.
Love your work in Journey man :tup
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Like my song or I'm sending y'all a picture of my dick for my next submission.
You know some judges might give a low score on purpose... :zydar:
At first, I was hoping for the same. But then I remembered the "do you trim the hedges" thread.
Please, oh lord please like his song. :lucien:
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Like my song or I'm sending y'all a picture of my dick for my next submission.
I'll try to explain how much I hate it in the nicest way possible.
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The song or the bush?
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That's the question, isn't it?
:angel:
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:lol
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Like my song or I'm sending y'all a picture of my dick for my next submission.
You know some judges might give a low score on purpose... :zydar:
At first, I was hoping for the same. But then I remembered the "do you trim the hedges" thread.
Please, oh lord please like his song. :lucien:
:lol
Eh, I got a woman now, gotta keep that thing tidy.
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Not sure how far the other judges are, but after two listens of every song, here are my overall first impressions (I'm not doing a small anonymous write-up for every song, rather post some overall facts.)
There are two songs in this batch that I absolutely love, one might even be full points worthy.
Quite a few (progressive) metal songs that still mostly kind of blur together, although I did enjoy everythin to a certain degree at least.
Three songs I feel might have a lot of growing potential but don't do anything for me as of yet.
Overall, I think this round is about as diverse music wise as the last round.
And, there's nothing here I actively dislike, so probably no score below a 2.5 from me.
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2.5 is better than 2.0 at least :tup
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2.5 is better than 2.0 at least :tup
Well, you got a 10 from me last round, which would equate to a 3.5 this round. Maybe the other judges dislike your song again :P.
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there's no growls or intense metal this time so i'd hope they like it more :lol
it's basically a pop rock song
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Well if you loved the Hammock song then you may like my submission :tup
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Just finished my first listen. I'm not as enthusiastic as Tyrias is... yet. There are some songs in this round that I really liked quite a bit and that will definitely score well, and some others that I liked, but didn't love, but I think will grow, and then some others that I didn't really think were that special.
Three people have pretty much nothing to worry about from me (except, of course, you do, because I'm not going to tell you who you are), you're going to score well unless I change into a different person tomorrow and start hating songs I loved today. Two of you are very likely to score well, but not likely to score as well as those three. The rest of you could still score pretty well, but could also score somewhat mediocrely... it very much depends on how the next couple of listens go...
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Well, this uncertainty sure sucks :lol
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For some.
I'm likely part of 'some'.
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Okay, second listen, I liked this round rather better than I did on the first go. Some of the songs that I wasn't too keen on, I was able to get into somewhat. Everything should get at least a decently good score. One thing that makes me very cautious in making a positive estimation of this round is that there's not really any songs that stand out head and shoulders above the rest. I do have a favorite song of the round right now, but it is a different song than the one that was my favorite last time, and neither has been my favorite by a significant margin—my favorite could change again on the final listen, and there is a surprisingly high number of songs that have the potential to take that spot.
Right now, there's not much separation in the scores, either. I don't really expect that to change, since I don't think any of these songs are going to go down in my estimation (the bottom two songs in my ranking, in fact, I think are the two mostly likely songs to go up in my estimation). This means that Tyrias and the enigmatic Red Judge have the potential to make a tremendous amount of difference in who does the best this round...
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I'm 3 to 5 listens in and have finished half my write-ups, what I can say is that there is a lot more difference in points than it seems to be for 425. I'll just post some excerpts from the write-ups I've finished to raise suspension (totally out of context of course ;))
I love the kind of childish/playful keyboards that appear from time to time.
And while I’m generally a fan of calm outros, this one doesn’t quite do justice to everything that happened before it.
There’s just the one problem with keeping my attention that lowers my score.
And then there's this one:
In fact, if this was my own roulette I’d probably make up some rule and give it more than full points, because “This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead” is quite true, but doesn’t come near to describing how much I love this song.
Final write-ups from me on Sunday, probably.
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I'm not religious, but I might start praying about the last tidbit to be mine.
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I love the kind of childish/playful keyboards that appear from time to time.
potentially mine.
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That last bit could be mine, since I sent one of my big guns and an AOTY winner...
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In fact, if this was my own roulette I’d probably make up some rule and give it more than full points, because “This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead” is quite true, but doesn’t come near to describing how much I love this song.
Wow.
Not that I can top that, but here are a few of mine from the stream-of-consciousness ramblings that I produce as I listen to these songs.
The outro saves this thing so hard, though, because it’s a really, really good outro.
Taking it for what it is instead of expecting some shift midway through really just reaffirms for me that this is really awesome.
Second listen I really like this one quite a bit. Really cool stylistically, pretty memorable, I mean, I definitely want to hear the rest of this album, hear what kind of stuff this band gets up to.
It seems like it’s going to be simplistic at the beginning but then stuff goes on. I really like this. This is very good. This is up my alley. This person gets me.
The guitar solo section is really good.
His voice, wow. Wow.
The chorus and the intro are real strengths for this song. Some of the other parts fall a little bit flat... but the intro is amazing and the song has a great chorus.
The singer... is all around just very good and emotional... maybe not the best of the round but good.
I mean this is a solid metal song. I have nothing against it, it’s pretty solid and it has a good chorus.
Not sure how much those help in terms of understanding anything, but maybe it will be fun to read some of the slightly insane things I write.
Sunday for me as well, most likely.
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so many of those are so vague that i'm not even gonna bother, just hope for the best :lol
though i don't think it's any of the ones that have negative implications.
the outro certainly isn't leagues better than the rest
nor is the chorus or the intro definitively better than the rest. well, the chorus is actually but the intro nah
and if 425 is calling it metal i'd be really surprised :lol
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I mean, yeah, I have no idea how to be not vague and yet not reveal the identity of the song. Especially when there's a solid handful of prog metal songs, so it's hard for me to just say "the prog metal song was good because of how proggy and metallic it was," thus giving no idea what it is, and then like the one electronic or folk song gets "I liked the electronic/folk song," thus revealing exactly which one it is.
I guess the main point of those quotes is to show my general impression of the songs of this round, since it kind of ranges from unreservedly positive to cases where I'm very uncertain about some parts of the song while praising others. It also gives a slight insight into the bizarre writings that I produce when listening to these that only I end up reading. More bizarre quotes from those might include a part where I say that scoring songs out of 15 points "makes me uncomfortable," a part where I quote a line of lyrics in all caps and add simply "yes. yes it is," or even where I express the sentiment that "numbers are hard."
In other words, my personal notes about roulette songs kind of resemble some actual posts made on DTF by the user Parama. :lol
EDIT: One of the ones that you just said probably isn't yours actually is yours. Enjoy that little tidbit. :lol
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i'm curious now which posts in particular you're referring to because i'm sure i made posts like that but i have no clue where i would have :lol
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The outro saves this thing so hard, though, because it’s a really, really good outro.
Taking it for what it is instead of expecting some shift midway through really just reaffirms for me that this is really awesome.
It seems like it’s going to be simplistic at the beginning but then stuff goes on. I really like this. This is very good. This is up my alley. This person gets me.
The guitar solo section is really good.
His voice, wow. Wow.
The chorus and the intro are real strengths for this song. Some of the other parts fall a little bit flat... but the intro is amazing and the song has a great chorus.
The singer... is all around just very good and emotional... maybe not the best of the round but good.
I mean this is a solid metal song. I have nothing against it, it’s pretty solid and it has a good chorus.
All these can be mine I guess. :lol
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From 425s, mine is virtually certain to be one of the comments regarding the vocalist. You'll all (or most of ya) will agree when you see the song I sent.
In fact, if this was my own roulette I’d probably make up some rule and give it more than full points, because “This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead” is quite true, but doesn’t come near to describing how much I love this song.
Someone hit it out of the park.
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It seems like it’s going to be simplistic at the beginning but then stuff goes on. I really like this. This is very good. This is up my alley. This person gets me.
Yes :hat
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It seems like it’s going to be simplistic at the beginning but then stuff goes on. I really like this. This is very good. This is up my alley. This person gets me.
Yes :hat
This could also be me :lol
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My write-ups are done a day early, again. I’m more confident in my scores this time around, as I gave every song at least 6 listens. Overall, this was a very strong round for me, so even if your write up seems relatively positive, you might still be in last place as far as my scores go. I recommend telling your fellow participants to fuck up a bit more because sending consistently good songs will probably get you in last place if the level continues to be as high as it is right now ;).
Parama: The Hirsch Effekt - Athesie
Like I already said, I’m not particularly fond of this particular German accent. It doesn’t distract from the song though, and the song itself is stellar and definitely one of my favorites this round. It’s pretty pop/rocky with some prog elements thrown in. I love the kind of childish/playful keyboards that appear from time to time. They really make the song a lot better, even though they’re such a small part. The guitars are heavy and loud, but at the same time they have enough room to breathe. The guitar parts are relatively simple, but the simplicity is again a point in this song’s favor. I love the heavy outro with the subtle choir elements in the background. His voice is not particularly special, but it fits really well with the mood of the song.
Also, I love the mix and arrangements. Everything is clearly audible, and even though it’s pretty loud it still feels dynamic. Good job, this is one of my favorites so far in this roulette.
Lonestar: Kingcrow - On The Barren Ground
My first impression of this song was pretty positive, I love how “in your face” it starts off (after a short ambient intro), with heavy drums and this distorted guitar riff (and the guitar sound is great as well!). Everything up to the chorus is gold, than the mood shifts and it suddenly becomes a lot more … epic and positive, providing a contrast to the darker intro. I like the chorus itself; I’m just not sure if it fits all that well with this particular song (I’ve heard a lot worse misfits though). The whole song stays quite heavy and dark, again with the exception of the chorus. Also, the bridge drags on a bit too long for my taste. And while I’m generally a fan of calm outros, this one doesn’t quite do justice to everything that happened before it.
To give a final judgment; I’d say that this could have been another perfect score if it had been as good as it’s high points all the way through. As it stands, some less than perfect parts drag it down a bit, but I still really like this.
Senecadawg2: Glen Hansard - Bird Of Sorrow
Well, I can certainly see how this is one of your favorite songs in recent years. It’s most certainly the best song in this roulette so far, and by quite a bit. In fact, if this was my own roulette I’d probably make up some rule and give it more than full points, because “This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead” is quite true, but doesn’t come near to describing how much I love this song.
From the first piano note, it has this wonderful sad, very personal feeling. It doesn’t feel fake at all, but wonderfully honest. It didn’t work that well for me on my first listen, but knowing what comes afterwards just makes it so much more intense, like the calm before the storm. Then it slowly gets a bit louder, until a wonderfully depressing and desperate climax, mainly driven by his emotional screaming. And those strings in the background. Love them. They could have sounded really cheesy, but they are perfect here. Chills everywhere, and this sad feeling in my gut. I know something is absolutely gold when I can feel it in my gut. I really feel that the vocal performance here elevates the song to another level.
One last thing, I really like how “live” the production feels, especially the vocals. Often a studio recording lacks emotional impact because it’s just too perfect, not really human anymore, but this does a perfect job of combining a studio quality recording with raw live emotions.
Nekov: Dream The Electric Sleep - Listen to me
This is one of the more happy songs this round. It’s proggy, but still accessible. There’s nothing here I dislike. I’m fond of the overall feeling, really like the moment the vocals first kick in and the first few minutes, but after some time the song just loses my attention for a while and only gets it back at around the 6 minute mark, then loses it again. I actually have to make an effort to stay focused on the song, and even then it does not always succeed, especially during the second half. I think it has something to do with most of the same song being around the same volume, and loud at that. I find this is something that occurs with songs with little variation in dynamics for me a lot. There are some more special moments that draw my attention back to the song (like the vocal harmonies before it gets softer), but then I lose attention again. And while that’s okay for a song that’s more focused on feeling, for a proggy song it shows that there was more potential there that was not used. Again, like some other songs before, I really like the guitar tone of the clean parts and in the verses and the vocals. There’s just the one problem with keeping my attention that lowers my score.
Evermind: Absolute Priority – Fear Of The Night
You got really close to me declining your song, because lonestar send a song from this same album in my last roulette, I think it was the closer. I really like the dense sounding intro, and I love the moment it just explodes into that riff. After that, it reminds me of some of Kamelot’s stronger moments. That’s a good thing, since Kamelot used to be my favourite band in the days where I basically listened to Metal exclusively. In contrast to what you wrote in your description of the song, I think the end is one of the weaker parts here. I can appreciate the cleverness of the vocal harmonies and layered vocal lines, but they don’t do anything for me on an emotional level. Everything up till that point also managed to stir some kind of emotion up in me, but that part just falls flat on that level. I do really like all the wacky keyboard- and guitar soloing, even though they’re clearly showing off their instrumental chops a bit in that part, the solos are still very well constructed and focus on melody.
Overall, I agree that this song is crafted quite excellently, with some parts that don’t manage to hold my attention and my emotions as much as others.
Wolfking: Pagan’s Mind – Intermission
So, straight up Heavy Metal? While it’s not what I usually listen to, I do have a certain fondness for good songs in that style, although there is a lot of stuff I find pretty hilariously bad. Luckily for you, this song doesn’t fall into that later category. It’s mostly straight up Heavy Metal (I hope that genre classification is not completely wrong), with all the elements that make a song in this genre great: cool riffs, great, fun soloing, and a good vocalist (especially that. Laughably bad vocals are the main reason I can’t take a lot of Heavy Metal seriously. This one knows how to sing though, and nails the style.) I think this would be a really cool song to see live, rock out and scream along. I don’t really have anything else to say about this, except that I really liked it.
Jingle.boy: Headspace – Soldier
I like the very simple instrumental part here, just piano and some other sound in the background, they could have been the foundation of something amazing. It accentuates the right moments by dynamic variations an really enhances the emotional impact. I’m really torn on the vocals. On the one hand, it feels like there is genuine emotion behind them and the lyrics are great, on the other hand a part in me just wants to laugh because it kind of sounds like a grown up chipmunk singing. I know that sounds ironic coming from someone who loves Sigur Rós (and Jonsi’s vocals) and many people will probably violently disagree with me on that point, but that’s just my initial reaction when the vocals kick in. It also ends a bit too abruptly for my taste.
That’s the bad. The good is, this song still manages to captivate me completely, and the vocals grow more tolerable with every listen. This was originally the worst song of the round for me, but the more I listen to it, the more I like it. I mean, why can’t chipmunks sing about emotional topics? There must be chipmunk soldier somewhere as well, right? Even if it just in a fictional universe, that shouldn’t mean they can’t feel emotion and have other chipmunks back at home they really want to return to, right? Why can’t chipmunks have family and friends they long for? Why must chipmunks die in war? Is the world really that cruel of a place?
Damn, I do like this song quite a lot.
Sacul: Blue Sky Black Death – The Era When We Sang
I’m not sure what liking the Hammock song last round has to do with liking this song, as they’re quite different in my opinion. At first I found this really lackluster, with the exception of some parts in the second half, and my opinion stayed that way for the first five listens. I was prepared to give this a low score, as sorry as I was because you seemed so confident. Then I decided to do one last listen on our Hi-Fi sound system instead of my ok-ish computer speakers, and this song just completely came to life.
At first it felt like there was just not that much going on, but then I realized there’s just so many subtle details in the background that really needed a quiet environment and 100% attention to fully be appreciated. The so lackluster first half suddenly is really good, the vocals I thought were out of place before suddenly fit. And the second half is just godlike. The emotions conveyed here are a lot more subtle than in some other songs here, but nevertheless it is absolutely fantastic. I can’t quite pinpoint what I feel, the closest I can get is a happy peacefulness. Like relaxing on a beach or on a balcony somewhere in a warm spring evening, being happy about life in general and watching the sun slowly set, maybe chilling in a hammock (haha, get it?). We had 10 centimeters of snow outside today, and inside I feel like it’s spring and butterflies are flying around me, a warm breeze blowing through the leaves.
I still don’t think this is that similar to the Hammock song last round, but I like it just as much.
Scorpion: Heart of Cygnus - The Mountain King
This is somewhere between Folk and Prog, with an overall pretty happy feeling. It has a very distinct intro that is more folky than the rest of the song, then the prog parts take the forefront in the main part and in the ending (awesome guitar solo in the end by the way). Somehow, the overall feeling of the song manages to stay very similar all over the song. So, even though there are some pretty rough transitions in between parts, they never feel jarring. I also really like the addition of a flute. Like Sacul’s song, this has a bit of a spring-feeling to it, but it’s not as strong.
Did I mention the awesome guitar solo in the end? I did, but I guess it just deserves another pointer in its direction, because it’s probably the strongest part of the song for me.
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You got really close to me declining your song, because lonestar send a song from this same album in my last roulette, I think it was the closer.
Oh, I didn't know that. In fact, if I knew that, I would've chosen another song. That's a pity for sure.
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"Chipmunk" is something I would have never expected as a description of Damian Wilson's voice. Not sure whether I scored well, or crap. Some good songs sent that round. Heart of Cygnus is a really obscure pick there Tommy. Good set of albums though.
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Heart of Cygnus :metal I salute you Scorp.
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Hell yeah :metal
To the other judges, do as Tyrias and listen to this on a good system, or a quiet environment at least - it has many subtle details.
And the Hammock comparison was about how I felt both tracks are pretty atmospheric and relaxing :P
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Bird of Sorrow is what I figured Tyrias' "omg this is so good" comment was about, yeah :lol
and Tyrias you might like the rest of that Hirsch Effekt album but I don't think 425 or Reddy would like much else on there, haha
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"Chipmunk" is something I would have never expected as a description of Damian Wilson's voice. Not sure whether I scored well, or crap. Some good songs sent that round. Heart of Cygnus is a really obscure pick there Tommy. Good set of albums though.
Well, my final judgment was "i like this song quite a lot", so I guess I can tell you you don't have the worst score this round ;).
You got really close to me declining your song, because lonestar send a song from this same album in my last roulette, I think it was the closer.
Oh, I didn't know that. In fact, if I knew that, I would've chosen another song. That's a pity for sure.
I can tell you next time if I'm familiar with something else from that album or artist if you want to. The way I'm doing it now is I'm just declining songs if I know that particular song.
Hell yeah :metal
To the other judges, do as Tyrias and listen to this on a good system, or a quiet environment at least - it has many subtle details.
And the Hammock comparison was about how I felt both tracks are pretty atmospheric and relaxing :P
I'm glad I decided to do that last score check before posting my write-ups (or in that case it was actually 3 additional listens for the song ::)). Bumped you up quite a bit from the 2.5/3 I had in mind before ;).
Bird of Sorrow is what I figured Tyrias' "omg this is so good" comment was about, yeah :lol
and Tyrias you might like the rest of that Hirsch Effekt album but I don't think 425 or Reddy would like much else on there, haha
Yeah, I'll check out that album when I find time. And that Glan Hansard album of course, even though I'm pretty sure I already know the best song off of it. Not sure how he'd manage to top Bird of Sorrow.
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Yes please.
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Damn it, Tyrias, showing me up again :lol
When I said Sunday, I really meant Sunday, so that's when it'll be from me :-\
i'm curious now which posts in particular you're referring to because i'm sure i made posts like that but i have no clue where i would have :lol
:lol It's just kind of an aspect of your writing style sometimes... For example, your post last night in the "What album are you listening to" thread
oh, i listened to stuff today i guess
too lazy for images today :lol
To me the style and the sentiment there are pretty similar to me writing in my notes something like "who knows though, numbers are hard."
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Mr. Red is liking this round aswell:
As the other two judges said, I love the diversity this round brings. There isn't one song that I don't enjoy somewhat. So far I'm only 2 listens in, but I'll be surprised if I end up grading anything lower than 3 or 3.5. Some awesome stuff here.
Tyrias, I don't seem to have your scores either. Still working on them?
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oh shit, they're done, I just forgot to send them to you. will do so in a minute
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Tyrias- When I saw your initial comments I was confident that mine was mine--because it's one of the only songs I can submit which I genuinely love more than the rest. I kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to jinx it. Anyways, I'm really glad you enjoyed it like I thought you would. Based on 425's initial comments though, it seems I may have been better suited submitting this song in the first round. Not that I may not still get a good score from him, but unless it grew on him quite a bit since his last comments it's probably not a perfect score.
Bird of Sorrow is what I figured Tyrias' "omg this is so good" comment was about, yeah :lol
and Tyrias you might like the rest of that Hirsch Effekt album but I don't think 425 or Reddy would like much else on there, haha
Yeah, I'll check out that album when I find time. And that Glan Hansard album of course, even though I'm pretty sure I already know the best song off of it. Not sure how he'd manage to top Bird of Sorrow.
And yes, this is pretty much the best song on that album. Or at the very least, there aren't any songs I consider stronger than this one. There are a couple that come close and perhaps equal it, but nothing noticeably better, for my tastes. He's released another, more recent, album this past year as well which I don't consider as strong on the whole, but which also has a couple songs worthy of Bird of Sorrow.
Caught him in concert in November and felt like crying a couple times. He played for almost three hours and it didn't feel like nearly enough.
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Since the results for each round will be spread throughout the thread in four different posts, I've started adding links to the posts at the bottom of the OP. Some of the links are broken for now, I've just left them as placeholders until those posts exist.
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Jebus man, what a beastly group of tracks. Kudos Nekov for DtES, they're fucking awesome. Off to check out that Glen Hansard track...
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Off to check out that Glen Hansard track...
Not sure if checking it, or waiting for seneca to send it on my roulette :P
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I saw that guy live once. He was alright.
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Good song, pretty solid emotional gut punch for sure.
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bird of sorrow is pretty much the song that seneca won my roulette with
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Off to check out that Glen Hansard track...
Not sure if checking it, or waiting for seneca to send it on my roulette :P
It's up to you, but if you wait 24 hours you might find it in your inbox hahah
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Kudos Nekov for DtES, they're fucking awesome.
Yes they are thought Tyrias doesn't seem to agree.... Thanks for introducing me to them :)
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At this point, can every member of DTF just listen to Bird of Sorrow? It's a great song, but us non-dawgs have to compete against at least one 10/10 every roulette :yeahright
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At this point, can every member of DTF just listen to Bird of Sorrow? It's a great song, but us non-dawgs have to compete against at least one 10/10 every roulette :yeahright
I listened to this song, and while I love ballads - you of all people should know - I honestly found it to be nothing special at all. 8/10 for me at best.
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I wasn't as crazy about it as most people either, but I still thought it as beautiful and way above par compared to most ballads I've heard.
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At this point, can every member of DTF just listen to Bird of Sorrow? It's a great song, but us non-dawgs have to compete against at least one 10/10 every roulette :yeahright
I listened to this song, and while I love ballads - you of all people should know - I honestly found it to be nothing special at all. 8/10 for me at best.
Yeah I wouldn't think of sending it if I was playing in your roulette.
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At this point, can every member of DTF just listen to Bird of Sorrow? It's a great song, but us non-dawgs have to compete against at least one 10/10 every roulette :yeahright
I listened to this song, and while I love ballads - you of all people should know - I honestly found it to be nothing special at all. 8/10 for me at best.
^ This guy gets it.
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Again--why I didn't send it in your roulette.
Just as I wouldn't think of sending The Chronicles Project to Tyrias...
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Again--why I didn't send it in your roulette.
Just as I wouldn't think of sending The Chronicles Project to Tyrias...
You're a wise player... hence why you're knocking on the door of victory #10.
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Speaking of which, did you end up buying that album?
I'm listening again for the first time in a couple weeks and I'd kind of forgotten how much I like it. Really solid.
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Again--why I didn't send it in your roulette.
Just as I wouldn't think of sending The Chronicles Project to Tyrias...
You're a wise player... hence why you're knocking on the door of victory #10.
Shit, I didn't even realize he passed me. Motherfucker......
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Speaking of which, did you end up buying that album?
Damn straight I did.
Shit, I didn't even realize he passed me. Motherfucker......
It's a matter of volume (he plays in every fucking roulette), and priorities (you have a woman)
'nuff said.
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As much as I don't want to look like a prick, I'm going to point out that that's actually not true. I guess I can't help it :facepalm:
Using the command+f function in the archived roulette thread and the recently completed thread, it seems I've played in a total of 28 roulettes and he's played in a total of 31. That is, roulettes that've finished. If you count the ones that are currently in progress, then I've played in 33 and he's played in 32. But since we're talking about wins and since I can't possibly've won any of those five that are going, he's got the edge on roulettes played in.
You're absolutely right though--I have played in almost every roulette in recent memory; something like 20 of the last 27 recently completed roulettes. Thing is, though, I didn't play in my first roulette until near the end of 2013, by which point RJ had already played in 15 (and won 5). It's probably not exact as I may have miscounted a couple times in all of this, but I went ahead and counted the number of completely roulettes played in by each everyone who has won at least 3. I've also calculated win percentage.
Without peeking--does anyone have any guesses?
a) who has played in the most completed roulettes
b) who has the highest win percentage? (it's not me, I'm not that much of a prick :\)
c) advanced difficulty option (play at your own risk): reorder the list based on win percentage.
We'll make it multiple choice, here are those that've won at least 3:
senecadawg2 9
lonestar 8
Ravenheart 7
Gorille85 6
kári 5
jingle.boy 4
Scorpion 4
Nekov 4
Dr. DTVT 3
ClairvoyantCat 3
Ultimetalhead 3
Elite 3
Zantera 3
Evermind 3
wolfking 3
Winner get's nothing! No peeking!
(https://www.pkr.com/images/library/1478/european_roulette.jpg)
ETA: who says I don't have a woman? ;D
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Highest win percentage is probably Brent (bl5150). I think he played in three and won two. :lol
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Didn't hefdaddy only play in one roulette and win it? Or did he play more after.
I didn't peek, just remember checking out roulette archives to check on someone's taste.
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Highest win percentage is probably Brent (bl5150). I think he played in three and won two. :lol
He's actually played in 6, according to my count, but 1/3 is a really good win percentage (would put him at least near the top of those that've won at least 3).
I'm sure there are probably also a couple other people who've won once and only played in a couple.
Didn't hefdaddy only play in one roulette and win it? Or did he play more after.
I didn't peek, just remember checking out roulette archives to check on someone's taste.
He's played in 2. Won one. It was the first roulette of all, actually.
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Highest win percentage is probably Brent (bl5150). I think he played in three and won two. :lol
He's actually played in 6, according to my count, but 1/3 is a really good win percentage (would put him at least near the top of those that've won at least 3).
I'm sure there are probably also a couple other people who've won once and only played in a couple.
Well, no idea then. My second best guess is you, but well, yeah, it's not you. Probably some guy who left DTF before I started lurking here.
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Back when I first joined, Ravenheart basically won any roulette that he played, it seemed to me. Not sure on his quota though.
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Yeah he's up there...
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I'm almost done with some writeups but it seems like this thread is about something else now... So should I just keep those to myself? :P
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i will stab you if you don't post writeups today :angel:
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i will stab you if you don't post writeups today :angel:
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i will stab you if you don't post writeups today :angel:
So Sacul and Parama get 0/15...
Seems like Tyrias has been using the bold system of "totally random order" for the writeups. I'm going to stick with alphabetical order by participant just because that's easy.
I don't to summon the pitchforks and torches, but right now, I'm doing three listens per round, which is a bit of a contrast to Tyrias's six. Personally, I'm somebody who gets easily fatigued by hearing the same songs again and again, which would probably cause me to get tired of the songs, annoyed by them, and consequently give lower scores if I listened more than about 4 times in so short a time span. Basically, for me to get up to 4 listens, which is what I did in my own roulette, I would need at least 6 days, and to get up to 6 listens it would be more than a week. So in the interest of keeping these songs fresh and getting scores to you quickly, I'm going with three listens right now. Anyway, I noticed in my own roulette that three listens were enough for me to straighten out how each song ranked in comparison to each other and the fourth was usually just serving as a way to be sure of my scores.
Moving on, I completely take back what I said initially about the strength of this round. This was a very strong, very consistent round, that was head and shoulders above round 1 on the whole. You can see that strength in that if you divide my scores for this round by three, they're pretty well above those of round 1. That's a good approximation—the scores should pretty much correspond to how well I like each song from this round compared to the songs from round one if you divide the score by three and compare it. Of course, it's only approximate, since I have much more minute increments to work with on this round than I did on that one—three times as many, since each point on the five point scale corresponds to three points on the fifteen point scale, and I use half-point increments on both. But it should be close.
Enough about the scores that you haven't seen yet and won't find in this post. Writeups follow. This was a very strong round indeed.
Evermind: Absolute Priority - Fear of the Night
Evermind committed a grievous strategical error in his writeup about this song. He compared it to Hallowed Be Thy Name, which is practically heresy.
:biggrin:
Now, seriously, the comparison is fair, because there’s a lyrical similarity and a certain degree of similarity in atmosphere as well. This is a big prog metal epic about a condemned man facing death. Unlike Hallowed, it lacks Bruce Dickinson. This singer, however, is very strong and he definitely fits the song very well. Also unlike Hallowed, it has a huge anthemic chorus that is repeated at several points through the song. This is a huge plus, because I love big choruses, and this is an awesome one. I actually can’t find the lyrics anywhere, but the beginning of the chorus, the part that sounds like “Rise in me...”, is one of the best moments of the whole round.
The instrumentation here is stellar as well. There’s a nice keyboard solo at about the 2:30 mark, but the real highlight is the guitar solo that takes place about two thirds of the way through the song. This solo and the background keyboard work, really take the song to the next level. The finale, featuring the vocal harmonies over the chorus, is a fitting conclusion for such an epic. My only little qualm here is that lyrically, it sounds like this guy is definitely guilty of murder, and I’m not crazy about being led to relate to killers. That’s a bit of an objection from me, and it does detract from my enjoyment of the song just a bit. However, while this may not be Hallowed Be Thy Name, it’s a very good prog metal epic and one of the best songs of the round.
jingle.boy: Headspace - Soldier
It seems like I’m the only one who had never heard of this band up until now. Apparently they’re a fairly well-known and fairly new prog outfit? I’m surprised I wasn’t at least passingly familiar with them. Anyway, they’ve definitely got my attention with this song.
This song really has a pretty amazing atmosphere for a piano ballad. It’s the work of the singer that does a lot of this, because he really does sound tortured like the speaker in the song should. The bell also goes a long, long way toward creating this feel. It’s really a haunting song. The pianist, of course, also contributes greatly to this atmosphere—there are some great dynamics here, where the pianist will play relatively softly and calmly and then build intensity when the song needs it.
This is a relatively simple song, it’s really just the three very similar verses and that’s it. However, that’s not really much of a factor, because the atmosphere and music are just so strong. Even though this is a ballad on a prog metal album and I have to assume that the rest of the album is fairly different musically, this song has definitely gotten my attention in a big way. To be clear, it did not completely blow me away, but it was a strong entry and make me definitely want to see what this band is all about.
lonestar: Kingcrow - On the Barren Ground
So. Kingcrow. lonestar sent me The Hatch in my roulette, and I remember loving parts of it, and not really caring for others. But I remember really wanting to like it more than I actually ended up liking it.
On the Barren Ground starts really awesomely, with a big riff and then a nice staccato vocal section that goes right into a big anthemic chorus. It’s hard not to sing along to that chorus. The first minute and a half of this song is as good as any.
I remember on The Hatch that I liked the intro and the chorus, and that the rest of the song fell a little flat compared to those. My first couple of listens, I felt the same way about On the Barren Ground. And to some extent, I still do. I think the second verse is good, not great, and the second half of the instrumental section in the middle of the song could be better. The quiet outro is solid, but again, not up to the quality level of the song’s high points.
I definitely feel that this song, on the whole, is better than The Hatch. I really, really like the first 90 seconds, and the chorus is as strong as any. Despite this, for whatever reason, I don’t feel that the whole song crosses that line from very good to great. It’s an impressive entry that has increased my interest in and respect for this band, but I’m not 100% sold on them yet.
Nekov: Dream the Electric Sheep - Listen to Me
This one is a very intriguing entry, some kind of prog rock with a bit of folky influence. I wrote in my initial notes that the song kind of reminded me of a mix between a jam band and prog rock.
Right from the very beginning, it’s attention-grabbing with those initial guitar riffs. It’s all very exciting. The vocal melodies are quite exciting and catchy at pretty much every point in the song. The verses are just as excellent as the brilliant chorus, and the instrumentation, while it is behind the vocals for most of the song, is supremely effective in carrying the song through a variety of ebbs and flows while keeping a really expansive feel throughout the whole thing. The instrumental section is really strong, with the high melodies and the lower work from a guitarist and the bassist really playing off of each other quite well.
I really like this song, and I’m really excited to check out the rest of this band’s discography and see what else they get up to. Is it the best song of the round? Is it the best song of the roulette so far? I mean, there’s that other song, you know the one. But this is stellar.
Parama: The Hirsch Effekt - Athesie
Parama provides another kind of out-there submission, a German pop-metal song from an album with creepy tooth-related artwork. I say this is out-there because it’s not really like anything I’ve ever heard. Ostensibly, yeah, this is a pop song with some metal/hard rock influence. There’s something about the way that the different instrumentation and motifs come in and out, however, that makes this song a bit unusual in terms of feel.
This is one of those songs that felt really weird the first time I listened to it, but by the third listen, really settled in. I’ve come to really enjoy the way that the song oscillates between some rather quiet parts and those loud riffs with catchy vocal melodies.
Contrary to what Parama believed when he read my little sneak peaks, this was the song where I felt that the outro made a huge difference. I don’t really know why, because there’s nothing unusual about repeating a heavy riff on a fade out, but I really like this outro riff. It just makes the whole thing sound more epic when it ends on this riff, and on the first listen, that riff really caught my attention as my favorite part.
It’s safe to say that I like this song quite a bit more than Parama’s first round submission. This is a catchy song that is enjoyable all the way through and that I could see myself returning to in the future. While it’s not among the most captivating entries in this round, it definitely belongs on this list of nine really good songs.
Sacul: Blue Sky Black Death - The Era When We Sang
Sacul, naturally, sends the only electronic entry of the round and therefore the one that is not like the others. This is a very interesting little piece of electronic music, which is a genre that, as Sacul knows better than anyone else, is very hit-or-miss with me. This one is a definite hit. This one starts off as what seems like a pretty simplistic electronic piece, with a few main motifs that repeat a few times (the main little electronic melody and the sampled vocal line).
Around halfway through, however, the music shifts into a less busy section characterized by a beat and some pretty little electronic melodies. From here, the song kind of bursts out into a more triumphant atmosphere featuring some brass instrumentation before closing out with a return to that quiet little electronic melody. The shifts in mood and melody make this song work as a full instrumental composition, because no one motif overstays its welcome.
This is really a very strong piece of electronic music. While it isn’t a mind-blowing song that belongs with the very top entries from this round, it’s a good entry. Sacul knew the risks of sending an electronic piece in a round where I am the lead judge, but Sacul also knows me well enough to send one that I like and score right in the thick of things in what turned out to be a strong and very consistent round.
Scorpion: Heart of Cygnus - The Mountain King
This is really interesting song, stylistically. It’s quite different than what I thought it would be just looking at the name or the artwork, both of which suggest that a prog metal songs of some type. Therefore, the first time I listened to it, I expected the acoustic/folk intro to give way to a full-on rock or metal song, so I was surprised when the expected change never really happened.
That said, this is one of the best entries of the round (Scorpion has a habit of doing that). The folky instrumentation is really just expansive and atmospheric. It doesn’t get boring, it just creates a really lovely atmosphere. The singer is just fantastic. He honestly might be the best singer of the whole roulette so far, though that’s hard to judge given that he makes a relatively brief apperance in this song. His voice is just such a perfect combination of softness, emotion and a touch of power. His three brief appearances are highlights of the song.
The guitar solos are the other highlights of the song. There’s just something awesome about this fast-paced acoustic music with a single electric guitar playing a nice melodic guitar solo under it. The way that the solos frame the second verse, as well, is completely awesome. The keyboard player is not to be underestimated as well, as the symphonic keys provide the perfect touch to fill the thing out, sonically.
Basically, this is a really beautiful and unexpected song that seems to kind of combine prog and folk rock? It’s a really cool entry and is one of my very favorites of the round.
senecadawg2: Glen Hansard - Bird of Sorrow
Every time I come back to this song, it seems, I remember again how good it is. When I’m not listening to it, I find myself doubting that it deserves to get massive marks. Probably why I’ve made noises in the thread to the effect that no one will get anything near a perfect score in this round—I keep forgetting just how good this song is.
Obviously the piano and subtle guitar are important to the atmosphere of this song, but the real strength is in his voice and the vocal melodies. These melodies just flow—each one into the next on the chorus. It’s a really incredible thing, the way each one perfectly follows into the next one. His voice is just perfectly suited to the song and it’s really very good how he transitions from the quieter early verses to the loud, wails of “I’m not leaving” “I’m hanging on” in the climax of this song.
This is a really, really good song. Well composed, amazingly performed, and tearjerking, really. As I think everyone has said already, which is why I don’t feel the need to write volumes about this one. This is definitely the best song of the roulette thus far. I guess the only thing left is, will I be hitting those one and five keys?
wolfking: Pagan’s Mind - Intermission
So, this here is a song that basically exemplifies prog-power metal. This style is something that I can like, but often find to be a bit generic. This one, at least, does not fall right into the “generic and unmemorable” trap.
The chorus here is a fair bit better than most songs of this style and is actually fairly memorable, and the singer is usually not annoyingly gruff or annoyingly high-pitched. He’s pretty talented and I usually like what he’s doing (except for that one moment when he screams). I particularly how the song cleverly moves into and out of the quiet part about two thirds of the way through without losing most of its momentum. I could see this as being a very good album opener, as it has a memorable chorus and a lot of energy.
This is a likeable song. It seems to set itself up as the first or second song on its album, and just from hearing this song, I figure that the full album could be a solid listen. The main problem here is that there’s not much special about this one. It’s a good song, no doubt, with some good instrumentation and a strong chorus. It will score decently well from me, but a good-not-great song of this style that doesn’t really do anything outside the box is unlikely to score up near the top. This is not to say that there’s a ceiling on prog-power songs for me, because I could see a really great one getting a nice, high score. This one just doesn’t quite qualify.
Enjoy these writeups, and I'm going to enjoy this brief time period when everyone is happy because I liked everyone's songs, before everyone starts saying "why did my song get 4 fewer points than his? I thought you liked both of them!" Just recall that, for reference, I basically used Tyrias's scoring system:
So I guess my scoring system is going to be:
5(in Sec rounds)/15(when I'm main judge): This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead.
4/12: Really great song, I'll definetely check this artist out after the roulette is over.
3/9: Good song. I can see myself listening to this again or putting it on when I'm in the mood, but I'm not sure I'll check out the artist.
2/6: Ok song. Doesn't impress me at all, but neither is it jarring to listen to.
1/3: Barely listenable. I don't really want to hear of this artist ever again.
Of course there will be points in between these scores, especially when I'm main judge, this is just a rough guideline. (And I really hope I won't have ot give anything below a 1/3 ::) )
Anyway, very good round from everyone! Thanks for making the first one I hosted such an exciting one, with lots of songs vying for the top spots and everything being so good and all!
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there are probably a few other songs off that album you'd probably enjoy though Athesia is definitely not really like any of the others. Simurgh, Tombeau, Emphysema, maaaybe Cotard. the rest are some pretty heavy mathcore songs that I doubt you'd like though :lol
and glad you enjoyed it, hopefully Red feels the same way so I have three positive results instead of one positive and two mixed/negative :lol
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I realize I should have sent this song into the previous round, and another Riverside song for you, but oh well, seems like I'll get a 10 at least :P
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Evermind compared it to Hallowed Be Thy Name in my roulette too, and not a second did I notice any similarities.
Then I read carefully, and saw he wrote that the subject matter was the similarity, not musically. I was pretty bummed tbh, if anyone finds anything remotely close to the quality of Hallowed Be Thy Name, PM me pls, because nothing else satisfies me musically.
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I'm really curious for the scores now. From your write ups I gather that we agree on the best song in this round and seneca is getting quite an advantage this round (unless the red judge screws him over :lol). But then I think your second and third places are my lowest scoring songs. Actually, everything except for that top songs seems kind of flipped around in our estimation, at least roughly.
Also, I'm still not sure why you call Sacul's song electronic. It has a few electronic sounding drums at the start, but everything else could have been played live. Also, that song just grows like crazy.I realize I should have sent this song into the previous round, and another Riverside song for you, but oh well, seems like I'll get a 10 at least :P
If you make it past the first cutting point, you should probably remember that lesson ;).
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I realize I should have sent this song into the previous round, and another Riverside song for you, but oh well, seems like I'll get a 10 at least :P
Please no more Riverside songs for me, thanks.
I'm really curious for the scores now. From your write ups I gather that we agree on the best song in this round and seneca is getting quite an advantage this round (unless the red judge screws him over :lol). But then I think your second and third places are my lowest scoring songs. Actually, everything except for that top songs seems kind of flipped around in our estimation, at least roughly.
Huh, that's pretty interesting. I guess it'll be good to get some disagreement among the judges so that a) it matters who each judge is and b) it matters who is hosting each particular round. But yeah, reading through your writeups again, I would agree, it does look like we pretty much are flipped aside from seneca. Which I would have to imagine will only build seneca's advantage and make the Red Judge's scoring that much more important.
Also, I'm still not sure why you call Sacul's song electronic. It has a few electronic sounding drums at the start, but everything else could have been played live. Also, that song just grows like crazy.
Sometimes I just say things like that. I know why I was wrong, but I also know what I meant. Oh well. It should be said that I'm probably in the minority of prog fans who is pretty close to illiterate, musically.
Tyrias, I also thought it was interesting that you and I had similar thoughts about the Kingcrow song, in that it had some really great high points, but some parts that didn't live up to those. I guess it's good to hear that someone else shares my feelings about that song.
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I realize I should have sent this song into the previous round, and another Riverside song for you, but oh well, seems like I'll get a 10 at least :P
Please no more Riverside songs for me, thanks.
Are they actually banned now? Can't find info about that :P
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I can't either, honestly. I asked Bolsters about it in my scores PM. I believe the way things are working is that we the judges choose what artists to ban for the rest of the roulette, but I'm not precisely sure how that works, specifically.
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I've added a list of artists banned during the roulette to the post with all of the other banned lists. There's a link to it at the bottom of the OP.
Edit: fuck me, I made that post but didn't actually do it. :rollin
Edit2: It's done now.
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they should call you failure swift
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Without peeking--does anyone have any guesses?
a) who has played in the most completed roulettes
I'm guessing RJ, but not too sure about it.
b) who has the highest win percentage? (it's not me, I'm not that much of a prick :\)
wolfking has 3 wins, and I don't think he has participated in all that many - maybe five? Could be him.
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Yeah I wasn't even close...wolfking didn't even get a win until like his 13th or 14th roulette. :lol I didn't realise he'd been in that many.
There's a few people with only one participation and one win though, so if I didn't screw up my tally there are three people with 100% win rates. Though the person with the highest percentage of wins who has played in more than 5 roulettes is seneca, with a 32.14% win rate. lonestar has a 25% win rate.
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Not that I really care but I have played in 6 for 2 wins and missed a win on jingle's by a bee's dick. So I'll claim 33.3% thanks ;D
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My spreadsheet had you in 7 but I checked and yeah only 6. So I just spent an eternity doing that and probably fucked it up more than once.
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Well, even though Tyrias thought my song was boring I'm glad to see you did enjoy it 425, I'm trying to cater to the main judge mostly and so far it seems I'm doing a good job.
My spreadsheet had you in 7 but I checked and yeah only 6. So I just spent an eternity doing that and probably fucked it up more than once.
they should call you failure swift
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Bolsters. I'm almost certain that I don't have the highest win percentage, even disregarding those who've won less then 3.
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I'll fix it up later in the week. Now that I have the data in a spreadsheet it'll be a simple affair to crosscheck to look for mistakes. I'd say I have probably just put something in the wrong row once or twice.
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Well, even though Tyrias thought my song was boring I'm glad to see you did enjoy it 425, I'm trying to cater to the main judge mostly and so far it seems I'm doing a good job.
Yeah, I'm trying to do the same thing. Seems like it works alright so far, even though I've got last place on Tyrias ranking this round or something.
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Any word from Red?
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Any word from Red?
Yes.
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:soon:
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Mr. Red will have writeups done :soon: but in the meantime if anyone is brave and would like to send round 3 songs early, go ahead and do so now. Keep in mind that this will be a red round and that after this, the bottom two will be eliminated.
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No, I want to see if he liked my song first.
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i want to see how much he hated my song first :tup
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i want to see how much he hated my song first :tup
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No, I want to see if he liked my song first.
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lonestar - Kingcrow - On the Barren Ground
I do like the heaviness of this song. It's dark, complex, murky, without unnecessary growls for effect (I've heard plenty of songs with that). It drives, it moves, and I really like the ending and how it maintains the thematic material while it fades out. That being said, in my opinion there's nothing that really makes it stand out. It sounds like a prototypical prog-metal song. It's not that I don't enjoy it, because I do, but there's nothing that made me really go "WHOA that was amazing". Nothing huge in the guitar solo, the vox are good but not amazing.
seneca - Glen Hansard - Bird of Sorrow
I was like who is this when I saw this, but then I realized it was the guy from Once. I haven't seen it, but I enjoyed that oscar winning song. With David Gray as your avatar it's not surprising at all that you enjoy this. When it first came on I was like "man this is slow... will it pick up?" I'm very picky about my ballads, and if they just drag on I won't enjoy them. This had all the emotion to go along with it, especially as it moved to the end. That cry... very very good. I have to be in the mood to really enjoy this song though. Again, it sounds a little prototypical as far as singer/songwriter ballads tend to be, especially in the last decade or so, which is why I didn't rate it higher, but hey, it's my opinion. I did enjoy it, though.
Nekov - Dream the Electric Sleep - Listen to Me
That intro though... LOVE that. Unfortunately, I was expecting some huge boom when the rest of the instruments kicked in, and instead I had a banjo/mandolin. It works, but it wasn't what I expected. It eventually got there though. MAN I enjoy this singer. He's great. Very versatile yet maintaining a purity. The song builds gradually through to the end while maintaining a guitar riff that repeats throughout the entire song. I enjoyed this a lot more every time I listened to it, it really did grow on me. It got a little repetititve at the end, but it never dragged and left me looking at my phone wondering when it was going to end. I was like whoa it's over?
Wolfking - Pagan's Mind - Intermission
I did enjoy this, but again as with other songs, it was prototypical power metal to me. I could have very well been listening to Sonata Arctica or Angra. Nothing really stood out and gave me a wow moment. And in my opinion it didn't really go anywhere. I would enjoy it if it were on a power metal playlist, and I hadn't listened to power metal in a while so it was nice the first time I heard it, but it never really grew on me as much as others.
Evermind - Absolute Priority - Fear of the Night
I can see what you meant by the Maiden influences (I can sense a little bit of a Metallica influence as well). I LOVE the piano in the beginning before the boom of the intro leading up to the vocals. The way the sound builds up throughout. You can tell the inner struggle that the protagonist (antagonist?) is facing as the song progresses. Very well done.
jingle.boy - Headspace - Soldier
So simple, yet for some reason this song clicked with me. This song was awesome. Just the piano and the bell chime throughout the whole song with this haunting vocal... I mean, as I listened and looked at the lyrics... this could very well be happening today. Three verses as the soldier lives his life... first fighting in the war, the inner struggles as he grows older, and the desire to be by his comrades in death. My brother in law fought in Iraq and I can see that brotherhood he has with his Army buddies. He's been through hell and back, and even though this song isnt' loud, it doesn't have to be to drive it's point home. I'd be interested to hear the rest of this album, especially if it's a concept album.
Sacul - Blue Sky Black Death - The Era When We Sang
I did enjoy this a lot. I love how electronic music uses samples and subtle additions and subtractions to move the song along, and this song does this... it repeats essential thematic material, yet never gets old. It builds up and then fades away.
Parama - The Hirsch Effekt - Athesie
Better than your last one for sure. When I saw it was German I didn't know what to expect... some heavy industrial metal or what? But a prog metal song. I enjoyed the subtle keyboard effects that countered with the drums/guitar. I also liked when the ending approached it switched from a 4/4 time signature to a 3/4 time signature and drove it home. Good job.
Scorpion - Heart of Cygnus - The Mountain King
I remember hearing this band on this forum years ago when they were first getting starting and really liking them but never getting past the "wow they're good I better check them out". I should have. This is excellent conceptual symphonic prog. It tells a story, I LOVE the cello at the beginning.
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Alright, now can you start sending for round 3? This is Mr. Red's round so hopefully you guys have figured his tastes out a bit. Also remember that after this round, the bottom two players will be eliminated from the roulette.
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Yay :D
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well that's a fair bit lower than i'd expect from 425's writeup, but :lol
i forgot what i was gonna send for red (my list is on my other computer which i won't have access to for a while) but i'm going to be eliminated anyways soooo i'm not going to think about it too hard i guess :lol
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Is there only this round until I can get eliminated?
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Is there only this round until I can get eliminated?
:lol
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Is there only this round until I can get eliminated?
Yeah. :lol
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well that's a fair bit lower than i'd expect from 425's writeup, but :lol
Enjoy these writeups, and I'm going to enjoy this brief time period when everyone is happy because I liked everyone's songs, before everyone starts saying "why did my song get 4 fewer points than his? I thought you liked both of them!"
Sorry buddy. :-\
A 10.5 on this system is equal to a 3.5 on a 5 point system, which would have given you a tie for 5th place last round. This round was just somewhat stronger than the last.
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well that's a fair bit lower than i'd expect from 425's writeup, but :lol
This.
Well, if I can find another great song, I'll hopefully pass to the following tier.
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Sorry, other buddy. :lol
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Well, "I like this a lot" in an out of 5 score system would be a +4 or 4.5 for me :P
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and a 3.5 is equivalent to a 7/10, which isn't a very good score, barely a C :lol
but oh well i don't mind getting eliminated anyways
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Is there only this round until I can get eliminated?
Yeah. :lol
Sweet.
I'm happy to bow out. I would have loved to been able to put more time into this but I have zero time. I'll send something tonight though.
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@Parama and Sacul:
So I guess my scoring system is going to be:
5(in Sec rounds)/15(when I'm main judge): This is absolutely amazing. I don't wanna listen to any other roulette submissions right now but check out this artist discography instead.
4/12: Really great song, I'll definetely check this artist out after the roulette is over.
3/9: Good song. I can see myself listening to this again or putting it on when I'm in the mood, but I'm not sure I'll check out the artist.
2/6: Ok song. Doesn't impress me at all, but neither is it jarring to listen to.
1/3: Barely listenable. I don't really want to hear of this artist ever again.
Of course there will be points in between these scores, especially when I'm main judge, this is just a rough guideline. (And I really hope I won't have ot give anything below a 1/3 ::) )
My system is loosely based off of Tyrias's. One of the problems in my roulette was that I was a too kind, so I'm trying to be a little harsher, but also consistent.
So 3.5, according to that Tyrias post, is halfway in between "Good song, I can see myself putting it on again, but I'm not sure I'll check out the artist" and "Really great song, I'll definitely check out the artist." How I felt about Athesie fits pretty much exactly halfway between those. I think the song is better than just good, but it's not compelling enough for me to go to up to the 4, the "really great" level.
11.5/15 or 3.83/5 is the last score before 4/5 on the 15 point system. I feel that The Era When We Sang falls just short of that "really great song" level, so it merits the 3.83 score.
Comparing them to the previous round, I liked Athesie around as well as Phoenix Burn, definitely better than the three songs that got 3s, but definitely not as well as the three songs that got 4s. I liked The Era When We Sang better than Phoenix Burn and Athesie, but not quite as well as the songs that got 4s.
So my scoring is definitely consistent a) with how I felt about those songs compared to Tyrias's rubric and b) my scores from the first round.
Maybe there's an argument to be made that my writeups are nicer than my scoring? I will admit that much, when I do the writeups I'm very much a Paula (like the nice judge on American Idol), but then when I do scores, I'm trying to be more realistic, which is something I failed to do in my own roulette. And I try to give some indication in the writeups as to whether your score is going to be higher or lower:
Parama: The Hirsch Effekt - Athesie
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While it’s not among the most captivating entries in this round, it definitely belongs on this list of nine really good songs.
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Sacul: Blue Sky Black Death - The Era When We Sang
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While it isn’t a mind-blowing song that belongs with the very top entries from this round, it’s a good entry. Sacul knew the risks of sending an electronic piece in a round where I am the lead judge, but Sacul also knows me well enough to send one that I like and score right in the thick of things in what turned out to be a strong and very consistent round.
So, sorry if you were misled into believing that I was going to give higher scores, but I definitely stand by the scores I gave.
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cri everytim :'(
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Tied for third with Scorp, not a bad result in my book. Will send something today or tomorrow.
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Before sending, I have to ask to the judges: do you like djent? :P
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If it's just djent, I might like it but I'm not likely to be crazy about it. If there's something more to it than just djent, maybe.
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sent, i still really don't have a good grasp on what red likes except i tried to avoid growls and repetitive stuff :lol
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Heart of Cygnus is a really obscure pick there Tommy.
Heart of Cygnus :metal I salute you Scorp.
Courtesy, as pretty much always, of DTF. Thank you to whoever it was who introduced me, btw.
Also I have sent.
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I have no idea what it is to be honest :lol my old school was called Cygnus and it has a special place in my heart so technically I have a heart of cygnus :metal
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Before sending, I have to ask to the judges: do you like djent? :P
Well, I've never heard a djent song I loved and and quite a few that I didn't like at all.
Also, Love Song by Destiny Potato would get a zero from me because you already sent it in my last roulette ;).
Edit: And that song I sent Evermind and got a 3 out of ten for because it was "djent" was in fact very much not djent, thank you.
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What song was it?
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Also, Love Song by Destiny Potato would get a zero from me because you already sent it in my last roulette ;).
Surprised you didn't ban Destiny Potato outright since you gave Love Song a 9.
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What song was it?
Stingin' Bell by Biffy Clyro. Yeah the first 10 seconds are pretty heavy, but that's about it.
Also, Love Song by Destiny Potato would get a zero from me because you already sent it in my last roulette ;).
Surprised you didn't ban Destiny Potato outright since you gave Love Song a 9.
It kind of de-grew on me. My initial impression of that song was a lot better than when I came back to it a bit later.
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Remember that any weird heavy riff I dislike is djent for me, I said so in the write-up. :lol
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Alright, gonna send some tasty Intervals when Evermind does his roulette :metal
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I know Intervals actually. I think I even had them in the banned list back then.
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Before sending, I have to ask to the judges: do you like djent? :P
I haven't heard a lot of djent but what I've heard I like, although it's been mainly instrumental.
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Ok, this is going better than I expected. I have something in mind for the red round but I'm not 100% sure if it's the right thing. I'll give it a thought and send later during the day.
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Your scores will carry over from previous tiers, so determining who is going to be eliminated at each Elimination Point will be based on overall scores, not your scores for the current tier.
Looks like this rule is going to make subsequent rounds mostly a moot point. There's already a 4 point separation between the top 4 and the bottom 5 after two rounds. Hard for those of us in the bottom tier to recover from that.
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Your scores will carry over from previous tiers, so determining who is going to be eliminated at each Elimination Point will be based on overall scores, not your scores for the current tier.
Looks like this rule is going to make subsequent rounds mostly a moot point. There's already a 4 point separation between the top 4 and the bottom 5 after two rounds. Hard for those of us in the bottom tier to recover from that.
On the other hand, you get 25 points each round, so 4 points is not something that's impossible to catch up if you do well. Just looking at my scores from the first round, there was a 4.5 point difference from last to first, and it would have been similar if I had scored out of 15 in the second round.
Also, 425 clear your inbox ;).
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Looks like this rule is going to make subsequent rounds mostly a moot point. There's already a 4 point separation between the top 4 and the bottom 5 after two rounds. Hard for those of us in the bottom tier to recover from that.
What if in the next tier you get scores similar to what they already have, and they get scores similar to what you've gotten so far? Then you've caught up. What if you kill it in a round and someone else stumbles? Unless you think everyone is going to perform and get the same scores for the entire roulette, I think there will be plenty of opportunities to catch up or overtake the current leaders.
We've only had two rounds and there's nine before the finals. Two rounds out of nine isn't going to define the entire roulette.
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While I see your point Chad I have to agree with Tyrias, given that the highest score is 25, 4 points is really not that huge of a difference. And I know you may think it's easier to say this when you're sitting on top :hat I'm pretty sure I'll screw one round, I've never played a roulette where I was always on top.
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tl;dr version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g
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Not whining, just being a realist. In baseball (I know you foreigners might not get this :biggrin:), but the team that is 6 games back with 10 games to play and four teams ahead of them, rarely takes the top seed. In golf, the player that's six shots back with four players ahead of him doesn't often take home the trophy. I would have to kill it this round (and subsequent rounds), and have all FOUR of those ahead of me drop the ball. Chances of that happening? Pretty slim. Especially considering the lack of congruency between my tastes and Tyrias'. And for those behind me, they need everyone ahead of them to slip up.
I go by the adage that once is an event, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend... so we'll see how things stand after this round. All I'm sayin is that it's hard to dig oneself out of a hole - in any situation. It's not inconceivable, and I'm certainly not :france: by any means.
Not whining, just being a realist.
I should modify my stance to correctly state that "Looks like this rule COULD make subsequent rounds mostly a moot point."
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Well, I don't see what the big deal is, this is how every roulette works. If all that mattered was your scores in each of the tiers, someone would be pointing out that you could do really well the whole time and then be eliminated for one single slip-up near the end. That's why when I had the choice of using overall scores or tier scores, I decided that overall was more fair and less volatile.
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Well, I don't see what the big deal is, this is how every roulette works. If all that mattered was your scores in each of the tiers, someone would be pointing out that you could do really well the whole time and then be eliminated for one single slip-up near the end. That's why when I had the choice of using overall scores or tier scores, I decided that overall was more fair and less volatile.
:iagree: I'm not trying to make it a big deal, just stating my opinion. Elite and Nekov did 'Survivor' like themes where each round was scored on its own. There are pros and cons to both formats. Neither is better or worse than the other, just different.
Now get me an answer to my query. :biggrin:
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I have this awesome song from a band that's surprisingly isn't on everyone banned list (I mean, really?), but I went and checked and it's actually 10:05, damn. I'll save it for Round 4 then!
Or maybe I'll send something else by them in this round before anyone does.
edit: oh, the next couple of rounds can be themed. I guess that could ruin my carefully prepared two 10+ minutes long songs for Round 5 and 6.
edit2: can we just have the Tier 2 rounds non-themed? I feel like I have a three perfect songs for these rounds and it's very unlikely I'll be cockblocked on those. :biggrin:
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it's very unlikely I'll be cockblocked on those. :biggrin:
... except for the themes.
Cock-block him for us Bolsters. Keep themes in place.
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While I like themed rounds I think given there are 3 different judges that will probably be a big headache so if this is up to a vote I'll rather not have them.
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it's very unlikely I'll be cockblocked on those. :biggrin:
... except for the themes.
Cock-block him for us Bolsters. Keep themes in place.
If we're going to have the themes, let it be something like "send post-rock", "send shoegaze with elements of mathcore" and "send electronic music" so I won't be the only one who's fucked.
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the hard part of this is that my current tastes don't really align with any of the judges so i can send stuff i love a lot and get less than 60% of the possible points which is a failing grade :lol
though this submission is the first time i've sent this particular artist in a roulette, mostly because i was holding out to see if there was anything on the other album from them i got recently that was better/more roulette friendly
there wasn't, but it was still a pretty great album and i'm getting yet another from them soon :lol
i'm also incredibly weary because this song did nothing for me until several months after the fact when it suddenly became the best thing ever
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Okay, sent a song from 80s. Let's see how that will work.
@Tyrias: I think this song is a bit folky, but it's mostly a rock song. I'm not sure you'll actually like it because it's, well, from 80s, and I don't think you tend to like the songs from 80s and older but hey, I might be wrong and anyway, it's not your round and this song rocks.
@425: Well you did like Sugar Mice in your roulette, so I think this one might appeal to you too. Not that it's any similar to Sugar Mice, it's just it has the same a bit dated production. Also, see what I said to Tyrias, it mostly applies to you too.
@Mr. Red: I hope you will like this one. As I said, your list has a lot of classic bands in it, and seeing how this one wasn't on it, I thought I fill up the gap. Dunno if it will work - I'm not quite as confident as I was in previous two rounds - but I do love this song, and I hope you will grow to like it too.
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Sent
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Sent something proggy for Mr. Red.
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Also, 425 clear your inbox ;).
Done. Sorry!
edit: oh, the next couple of rounds can be themed. I guess that could ruin my carefully prepared two 10+ minutes long songs for Round 5 and 6.
edit2: can we just have the Tier 2 rounds non-themed? I feel like I have a three perfect songs for these rounds and it's very unlikely I'll be cockblocked on those. :biggrin:
Themes can be done for future rounds at the discretion of the host judge. At this time, I am not planning to do any themes. I think themes are best suited for the type of roulette where there's one judge who is searching for something to fit a particular element of his musical taste, not for a championship roulette.
As to whether Tyrias or the Red Judge will choose to include a theme, they will have to speak for themselves (i.e. through Bolsters in the case of Red) as to whether they will do so. I won't entirely rule it out, but I imagine that I will not have themes.
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Aw, c'mon... grow a pair :D. It's pretty simple to come up with some fairly non-constricting themes like "great guitar solo", or "solo artist", or "drum-less". There's lots of themes that span all genre's and tastes.
Just do something to put a wrench into Ruslan's plans. :biggrin:
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I feel like I probably shouldn't take advice from a contestant who is telling me "Just do something to put a wrench into Ruslan's plans." :lol
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I feel like I probably shouldn't take advice from a contestant who is telling me "Just do something to put a wrench into Ruslan's plans." :lol
You should feel differently. ;D
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It's funny because we had the discussion about open or themed rounds via PM just a few hours before it started in the thread :lol.
This was my initial reaction to themed rounds in the PMs:
I think I'd just prefer to keep them open, so that everyone can just send their top game. Also I'm having a hard time finding rounds that won't constrict one of the participants more than the others, and since this is the championship I'll try to be as fair as I can to everyone. Hence, open.
I might decide to change that and go with a really broad theme if someone has really convincing arguments.
(If you were wondering, "Just do something to put a wrench into Ruslan's plans." doesn't count as convincing.)
Also, I have some great ideas for a set of themed rounds that I'll use in my own roulette v2, but are completely unusable in this scenario :P.
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Now get me an answer to my query. :biggrin:
I was waiting for all three judges to respond. Sending the answers now.
can we just have the Tier 2 rounds non-themed?
All of the rounds are going to be open I think, none of the judges wanted to limit any of you on what you could send. I can confirm that tier 2 will all be open, tier 3 likely the same.
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Sent yo...
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Sent yo...
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Sent by email.
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The king of wolves is the only person I've not received anything from thus far.
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Not that I really care but I have played in 6 for 2 wins and missed a win on jingle's by a bee's dick. So I'll claim 33.3% thanks ;D
My spreadsheet had you in 7 but I checked and yeah only 6. So I just spent an eternity doing that and probably fucked it up more than once.
Just had to let you know that my original count of 7 was correct; the reason I thought you were only in 6 when I rechecked after your comment is because I did a CTRL+F for bl5150 but you were credited as b5150 for a roulette. So while I had counted that when making the spreadsheet and therefore had the correct value of 7, it appeared you had one less than you actually did because of the typo.
The seven roulettes you have been a part of are: senecadawg2 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40831.0), Shadow Ninja 2.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41730.0), Evermind (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43194.0), Big Hath v2 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43270.0), TAC (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43645.0), Shadow Ninja 2.0 v2 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44299.0), and jingle.boy v3 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44462.0).
I'm about half way through double-checking the list but so far there have been no errors.
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I didn't realise I had been in 2 Shadow Ninja ones - I thought I was a quicker learner than that :lol
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I didn't realise I had been in 2 Shadow Ninja ones - I thought I was a quicker learner than that :lol
He's on the list for a v3...guess I'll be seeing you there? :D
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Now that would be astonishing.
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The king of wolves is the only person I've not received anything from thus far.
Sorry, I'm pretty much off to bed now, but I'll have something submitted within 12 hours. Hope that's okay.
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Sorry, I'm pretty much off to bed now, but I'll have something submitted within 12 hours. Hope that's okay.
:tup
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I didn't realise I had been in 2 Shadow Ninja ones - I thought I was a quicker learner than that :lol
:spitcoffee:
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Sent.
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Everyone (including those asked to resubmit) is now in. :metal
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More than 2 days since the last post? What's going on here guys???!!!!!
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More than 2 days since the last post? What's going on here guys???!!!!!
The judges are in listening mode, I haven't heard anything from them yet. But, this round could possibly be delayed a little bit, some band released a new album or something.
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Some 5 bands released a new album!
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More than 2 days since the last post? What's going on here guys???!!!!!
The judges are in listening mode, I haven't heard anything from them yet. But, this round could possibly be delayed a little bit, some band released a new album or something.
Yeah, this is what's going on. Because not only did some band release a new album, they released a new album that's really freaking long. Planning to dive into this round today, though.
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I just finished my first listen (I was away over the weekend so I didn't have time so far.)
My first impression is rather positive. As I expected from the posts in this thread there is quite a bit prog and rock/metal, as well as significantly more old stuff than in the last 2 rounds.
There is one song where I kept asking myself if the singer was male or female, and every five seconds or so I thought to myself "Yep, a men" only to think "No, a woman" 10 seconds later.
Another song that stands out quite a bit from the crowd, both by being rather different, as well as being freakin' awesome (not that there's nothing else that's awesome :P.)
One song with a moment where I was like "Oh, i have heard that before", but then I recognized nothing else except those 5 seconds.
There are also a few songs that didn't really make any kind of impression on me so far, but I'm pretty sure further listens will remedy that.
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So the male/female singer, I'm sure someone sent either The Enid or Gazpacho or Beach House :lol
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So the male/female singer, I'm sure someone sent either The Enid or Gazpacho or Beach House :lol
It's none of those ;)
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Colour me intrigued then. At least I'm sure it's not mine because it's a she who sings :P
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Something featuring Andre Matos then? :neverusethis:
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More than 2 days since the last post? What's going on here guys???!!!!!
But, this round could possibly be delayed a little bit, some band released a new album or something.
Yeah, I thought that would be delaying things, what an awful timing for DT to release a new album, can't they see we have important business here?
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More than 2 days since the last post? What's going on here guys???!!!!!
But, this round could possibly be delayed a little bit, some band released a new album or something.
Yeah, I thought that would be delaying things, what an awful timing for DT to release a new album, can't they see we have important business here?
This.
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I just added some more things to the banned list for no particular reason at all.
Baroness
Beardfish
Bent Knee
Evergrey
Jethro Tull
Mandroid Echostar
Meat Loaf
Myrath
Pure Reason Revolution
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Yeah... No reason at all I'm sure. ::)
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I just added some more things to the banned list for no particular reason at all.
Baroness
Beardfish
Bent Knee
Evergrey
Jethro Tull
Mandroid Echostar
Meat Loaf
Myrath
Pure Reason Revolution
Oh so these are the bands that were submitted this round then, gotcha.
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Oh so these are the bands that were submitted this round then, gotcha.
I don't recall saying that.
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Well, I know what Lonestar sent...
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Well, I know what Lonestar sent...
:spitcoffee:
Was thinking the same thing.
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none of those are the band i sent, so
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none of those are the band i sent, so
Are you trying to throw us off? Or are you saying Bolsters screwed up?
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it's possible :corn
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Well, I know what Lonestar sent...
:spitcoffee:
Was thinking the same thing.
New album on its release date :tup
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Well, I know what Lonestar sent...
:spitcoffee:
Was thinking the same thing.
New album on its release date :tup
I listened to it, thought it was meh. I remember you sending me a song from them in one of my roulettes and I really liked it so I was surprised at how little I enjoyed the album :-\
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Well, I know what Lonestar sent...
:spitcoffee:
Was thinking the same thing.
New album on its release date :tup
I listened to it, thought it was meh. I remember you sending me a song from them in one of my roulettes and I really liked it so I was surprised at how little I enjoyed the album :-\
WTF dude? You trying to sway the opinions of the judges?? That's just fucked up man....
:neverusethis:
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:rollin
I'd never do that chef :angel:
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Really? A :angel: ?
Innocence looks ridiculous on you my friend.
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Just listened for the first time, but I learned my lesson last round about saying too much about whether I liked this round or not after just one listen, because it's just too early to tell. I'll give some impressions after my second listen tomorrow and see where things are...
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That's an approach I aprove - first impressions shouldn't be much trusted :tup
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first impressions are fun because my opinion went from "bleh" to "i love this" on several songs with repeated listens and i had my first impressions documented to show that
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I do have my first impressions documented in my private notes, but I've decided against posting them right away because of how dead wrong I was last time, when I said that I thought the round was a bit weak when it was actually quite strong.
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Man you guys don't play! This is an excellent round of music, you all did a great job catering to my tastes. I've done 2 listens so far, but this is going to be tough to score, however I hope to have results by Friday.
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For me it's more mixed than for Mr. Red. I've done 3 listens now and preliminary scores are between 2.5 and 4.5. So the worst song in this roulette so far is out of this round, but also one of the best ones (although I don't think anything will beat Bird of Sorrow, at least in this round.)
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heck yeah worst song of the roulette thus far
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I actually think the worst song by Tyrias rankings might be mine. I thought it could be appealing for his tastes but if he doesn't like the dated 80s production, well, I'm screwed.
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It's mine, they just don't like me :(
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I'm sure Mr Red will dig my track, as well as 425. I just pray Tyrias doesn't take revenge for some of his scores on my roulette :lol
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It's mine, they just don't like me :(
And who's fault is that? :lol
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Round 3 write ups
I listened to this round without paying attention to whose song I was listening to, so as to eliminate biases. Of course I didn’t succeed in most cases and had a strong suspicion about whose song it was in most cases, or I knew it (see Evermind’s song for example), but I did mix up some people and their songs (for example Scorpion’s and Nekov’s song)
Scorpion: Myrath - My Inner War
This song takes the cake for most interesting intro of the round. That piano is amazing. I don’t really like the transition to the main part though. In general, transitions between parts are not this song’s strong point. The parts themselves range between pretty good and awesome, though. Some parts here really remind me of Symphony X and Russel Allen’s voice, then suddenly the song becomes all groovy and funky, only to go back to being heavy a few seconds later. All the different parts make the song fly by and it feels considerably shorter than its 8 and a half minutes.
Parama: Baroness - The Line Between
After a short calm intro, this starts of really heavy. I can’t help feeling I’ve heard that intro riff somewhere, but this familiarity doesn’t distract from its awesomeness. It becomes quite a bit calmer afterwards, though (or at least less heavy). I’m having a really hard time writing more here, because nothing sticks out as particularly awesome to me, but neither is it anywhere near a bad song. The vocal melodies are nice and the singer does his job well, the guitars and drums do a good job of setting the mood. I didn’t quite like the guitar sound during the heavier parts, but this kind of washed out and not as “in your face” sound is also what gives the song it’s mood during the less heavy parts (as in: most of the song).
Evermind: Jethro Tull - Farm On The Freeway
To make this clear: I don’t dislike old-sounding production in general, as long as it fits the song. Usually it doesn’t fit with heavier songs, but stuff like Pink Floyd, Supertramp and other classic bands, it doesn’t distract from the song at all (unless it’s just a terrible production, but there were terrible productions in each age of music recording).
Now, on to the song: This reminds me of a holiday where I tried to get into Yes, and failed to do so. There were always some parts I really enjoyed, but as a whole the songs just never worked for me (and I actively disliked their singer’s voice). This song has kind of that Yes-flair, but with only good parts and a much better singer. He’s not doing anything really wild or out-there with his voice, but it really fits and enhances the mood of the song. Mood is also what this one does best: It makes me feel like I’m on a road trip through the U.S., in some really small rural town with nothing around it and just one small restaurant/pub in the 70s or 80s, even though I’ve never been to the U.S. , I was born in the 90s and I’ve never done a roadtrip. Also, that instrumental section in the middle is really fucking groovy, and I love that keyboard/flute (I’m not sure what it is).
Nekov: Pure Reason Revolution - Bullitts Dominae
This one was a real grower. It left me completely unimpressed the first time I listened to it and I would have given it a 2 back then probably. Now the only part that isn’t absolutely amazing is the first 30 seconds or so. I love the vocals, love the overall mood, love the guitar, love the harmonies. The only moment that really sticks out to me is the first time it gets louder, but this is just so consistently excellent that that’s really not a negative. That strings are really excellently used as well, and really enhance the song.
What makes this really stand above the rest of the songs submitted this round is the emotional impact it has on me. It makes me happy and sad at the same time, make me feel like I long for something, but I don’t really know what. And that’s how you get a really high score from me in this roulette: a 4 is for a really good song that I enjoy, everything above that has that special emotional impact on me, be it happy, sad or any other kind of feeling. The only question is: will this be the next 5 from me, or just a 4.5?
Beardfish - Green Waves
This is definitely a relatively good song, but there’s nothing that makes it particularly memorable or stand out on top of all the other prog songs this round. It’s relatively heavy, more “nod your head along” than full out head banging and jumping around the room. The vocalist does a good job, they have nice riffs and melodies, but there’s nothing that elevates it from just being somewhat good to something more special. Also, it could do with a minute or two (or three, it does drag quite a bit) less. It repeats itself a bit too much, and by the end some off the riffs start to annoy me a bit. To close this off with something a bit more positive: the solo section just after the 6 minute mark is really damn groovy.
Sacul: Bent Knee - Being Human
This was the most different song this round, and the most interesting one. I already checked out the album and it seems really good on first listen. This starts of with this really innocent, girly sounding voice singing “I imagine your dead body on my bed”. I love that contrast. Then it gets really loud, with some trumpets (or at least I think that’s trumpets), only to become more quiet again. The vocalist here is really versatile and I love her voice, she switches between totally innocent and calm to almost screaming and totally creepy sounding without much of an effort. To be honest, I’m not sure why I love this song as much as I do, it’s just so charming, combined with a great atmosphere and makes for a really interesting and rewarding listen.
Lonestar: Mandroid Echostar - Iron Hands
Sorry, but this song is just really mediocre. It has a few good moments (like the intro, when the vocals first appear), but there’s nothing here that makes it stand out as something. It’s not bad or anything, but I have to agree with Nekov’s assessment in the thread that this really isn’t that special. Maybe you would have been better served sending another song by that band, because I like their style in general and they do have a few good moments (and even one or two that are very good), but all together this is one of the weakest songs this round (it was originally the weakest one, but it did grow on me a bit, and the other one kind of de-grew, so now it’s just among the weakest ones).
Jingle-boy: Meat Load - Bat Out Of Hell
I swear I’ve heard that first part with just piano and vocals before. Maybe it’s just because the whole song has a bit of a Queen vibe, as I have no idea where I’d know the song from.
Anyway, I think this is your strongest submission so far, just slightly etching out that Headspace song last round. I don’t usually listen to this specific kind of music (I mean, it’s both rather old and fairly happy, so not my usual listening ;)), but when I do I usually enjoy the hell out of it. It sounds like the musicians where having a shitload of fun while playing and composing this, and this feeling certainly transcends to the listener. It switches between really different parts, but the transitions are never jarring and I enjoy everything here. Great submission. (Regarding production, refer to the Jethro Tull write up, same thing applies here.)
Wolfking: Evergrey - King of Errors
This starts of really strong with some great riffs and great vocals, as well as a great atmosphere. I really like the keyboard melodies here, as well as the guitars and solos. In fact, everything here is great, the only weakness of this song is that it takes just a bit too long and I lose interest at some points in between. Those moments are short and few though, so they don’t really distract from the song much. Really cool submission!
Very varied round score-wise. I loved some songs, but didn't care much for some others.
@Bolsters: I'm still not certain about 2 scores, so I'll only send the scores to you tomorrow so I can do one more listen to those two songs. If I did it now, they would get the lower score just because I'm too tired too doo them justice :P.
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I think those are violins, at least they seem so in the amazing live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kl-gQucpI) version :P
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I think those are violins, at least they seem so in the amazing live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kl-gQucpI) version :P
If those are really violins in the studio version, then I've never heard violins that sounded so much like a brass section :lol. Maybe it's the mix with distorted guitars that make them sound different.
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Meat Load- Bat Out Of Hell
:lol :lol :lol
Glad you enjoyed.
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I think those are violins, at least they seem so in the amazing live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kl-gQucpI) version :P
bent knee definitely had violins yes
also that is acceptable, 3.0 probably ok
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Meat Load- Bat Out Of Hell
:lol :lol :lol
Glad you enjoyed.
Well, that is a hilarious typo :rollin
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Okay, this round for me is another consistently pretty strong round. There is probably not an exceptional, heads above the rest song, but there is so much here that is really good, to where it's going to be difficult for me to differentiate at times. There is one song that I can't really get into right now, and it's one that I think would be pretty popular on DTF. I do think there is still a possibility for me to get into it.
There's no point, really, in my doing specific impressions when you all already know what the songs are. But I'm working, results should be posted either tomorrow or Saturday latest.
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:eek
I thought you'd be the one who'd like this song the least. I'm glad I was wrong :smiley:
Edit: I just read you're review on Mandroid Echostar and I'm feeling like a dick :sadpanda:
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Well if it is mine, check the live version I linked and it will click ;)
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tbh I am kinda hoping I get cut here but I still hope everyone liked the song too so
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Well if it is mine, check the live version I linked and it will click ;)
I always make sure that I'm listening to the same version that people sent. :)
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Oh, in that case listen to the studio version as well :lol
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Well if it is mine, check the live version I linked and it will click ;)
I always make sure that I'm listening to the same version that people sent. :)
I always make sure you get the same version people sent aswell. :lol That's why I sent you the Youtube link I got from Sacul instead of finding the song on Spotify for you like I normally would - because the live version isn't on there.
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I didn't even realize you had sent the live version originally. Not that it matters though, cause both versions are awesome ;). But I will follow links I get from now on and not just search for the song in Spotify.
Also, I sent the scores now. Ended up giving the worse score in both cases, but it was a close call. Having quarter points would have made this a lot easier.
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Seems you liked my song, that's nice. I was kinda nervous when I've read about that Yes-related passage and then I got to "with only good parts and a much better singer" and I was like phew, alright then. And yeah, it's a flute. I mean, it's Jethro Tull, of course it's a flute. :lol
Bullits Dominae got 7.5/10 in my roulette I think. Solid song but nothing mindblowing.
Great calls with Meat Loaf and Evergrey.
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I have some tentative writeups and scores done, but I think I'm going to try to see if I can listen one more time tomorrow (so 4 listens instead of 3) simply because I was kind of sick when I did my first listen, so I kind of faded in and out through some of the songs—there are some that I still feel that I don't know too well. If I don't have time tomorrow to listen again, I'll just post what I have, because I'm about 85% confident in those scores, but since the Red Judge hasn't posted yet I figured I'd take the extra day.
Since I've already done the writeups and nobody's score is likely to change by more than a half point, I went ahead and looked at what Tyrias said. Here's all I'll say about that: There are a couple of songs that Tyrias seems to have really liked that I wasn't so fond of. There's one song that Tyrias wasn't crazy about that I really liked. My favorite song this round (as of right now) is a song that seems to have been one of Tyrias's favorites. And my least favorite one (again, as of right now) is also a song that Tyrias liked (and is one of the aforementioned "couple of songs").
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Wow, wouldn't have expected this to end up a double post. Well, I did listen again, and two of you gained a half-point for it. Including the person who originally had the worst score of the round. Congrats.
This was another good round, probably on par with last round on the whole. Once again, we have an outstanding song that takes for itself the highest score of the round, as it is clearly my favorite one here. After that #1 song, the rest of the songs essentially come ranked in two batches, where there are a lot of songs getting the same score. I realize that it's odd to see very little diversity in numerical scores, but with just five points to give, even a half-point's step up is a pretty huge step. For any given score, I can pretty reliably rank the songs within that score, but for whatever reason, none of them deserve the next half-point up or down. Anyway, I figure since I'm one of three judges, differentiation between scores doesn't matter as much as it would in my own roulette.
Here are the writeups:
Evermind: Jethro Tull - Farm on the Freeway
Jethro Tull is one of those classic prog bands who for whatever reason, I hadn’t really listened to until now. Which was probably a mistake. :lol
This is a song that I like quite a bit despite not typically going straight after music from the 1970s, with a few exceptions. The songwriting here is just very strong. There’s some good musicianiship from the guitarist and the keyboard player, and the moments with the floutist pops in are always highlights, because I’m that prog fan who loves all the flute parts. Love the way the production makes them just pop in there, if you know what I mean. The vocalist’s style… isn’t normally a style that I would like, but he totally makes it work with the music.
This is quite a good song that certainly has increased my interest in checking out the back catalog of this classic prog band, something I probably should have done long ago.
jingle.boy: Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell
To be quite honest, this is not really an artist I had imagined myself liking before this round. No special reason, I guess, just the overall strangeness of the name “Meat Loaf” causing me to be prejudiced against him.
I actually liked this song quite a bit more than I thought I would. This is actually a pretty awesome rock song that goes through a series of movements and tells a story. The subject matter is a bit unexpected for something of this scope, but something about this whole thing just… works.
The chorus, of course, is huge and anthemic and extremely memorable. There are actually a lot of really cool vocal parts in this song, all of course accompanied by that nice piano-driven rock sound, which is something I can really see myself liking. The best part is that whole section that starts “And I know that I’m damned if I never get out” and ends with the group vocals on the second repetition of the chorus.
If I was looking for something to criticize, I would say that like a one or two other songs this from round, this could be a little shorter. But overall, it’s a strong entry.
lonestar: Mandroid Echostar - Iron Hands
This is a solid prog metal song, nothing less and not much more. There’s a fair bit of variation in the instrumentation, as it goes from some pretty aggressive riffs to some much more melodic parts, which are the parts that I much prefer. The singer reminds me a bit of Claudio from Coheed and Cambria, which is fine with me, though his melodies aren’t as strong as Claudio’s.
The instrumental work here is solid as well, I like the more melodic work from the guitarists and what I think might be a keyboardist.
Honestly, when I listen to this song, I enjoy it. There’s nothing wrong with it at all that I can point to. But even after listening to it several times, there’s hardly anything I can remember from the song, which I think shows how I feel about it: It’s a perfectly solid track, but there’s nothing special about it. It’s good, but it doesn’t come close to transcending “just good.” Looking at it now, I see that Tyrias had a similar assessment. And Nekov did too. Sorry to be the third bearer of not-so-great news (let’s hope that our esteemed round host actually likes it so that he/she does not get put in the position of being the fourth in this thread to give this a middling review), but here it is. I did like this song, but it’s not anything special in my book.
Nekov: Pure Reason Revolution - Bullitts Dominae
This song is pretty interesting, stylistically. It seems to live somewhere on the border between prog rock and space rock? Anyway, I like music with a vibe like this, where there’s rock instrumentation and something like a traditional song structure, but a really smooth atmospheric sound.
The singing here is fantastic. The vocal melodies are just excellent and totally in keeping with the vibe. The chorus is fantastic. It’s really amazing. It’s one of those musical parts that feels like home even though I ostensibly first heard it within the past few days.
The instrumentation is awesome as well. The way that the remains smooth while really getting intense at times and swelling, especially on the chorus.
Basically, this song is fantastic. It hits exactly my musical sweet spot in several ways, has some really incredible parts, does so within a fairly compact runtime, and doesn’t do anything that bothers me.
Parama: Baroness - The Line Between
Okay, this is a pretty cool sludgy track… Which is not my usual favorite style of music (particularly because the fuzziness of the guitar sound is a not exactly my favorite thing), but this song does make it work. The riffs are pretty nice and big, and I like the singer—he reminds me of the side of James Hetfield’s voice that I like. The chorus here is somewhat memorable as well—it’s definitely my favorite part of the song.
This isn’t my new favorite band, and it’s still a style of music that I really would only listen to in small doses. But it’s a pretty cool rock song that actually brings some level of weight, and sometimes the world just needs one of those.
Sacul: Bent Knee - Being Human
Okay, so this a very, very strange song. It opens off with a very creepy, very soft piano intro that does its job nicely. The singer is unquestionably talented, and the melodies are strong
And then things just get weird. The song kind of alternates between these nice little piano parts and these big bombastic, abrasive sections of staccato intrumentation.
I’m going to be quite honest, on first listen, I was completely turned off. I didn’t like this song at all. It got better on repeated listens to the extent that I can make sense of what is going on the entire time. And there’s a significant amount of stuff that I genuinely like. The singer is quite talented and the vocal parts are all pretty good.
The downside: a lot of the instrumentation isn’t really my thing. The staccato parts are not that appealing to me, and I would definitely prefer the piano and vocal parts appearing in a somewhat different song. This is one of those songs that feels a little to me like it’s trying too hard to be different for the sake of being different. On the other hand, I really did like some things about it quite a bit. So while I don’t really get the roulette favorite status it seems that this might enjoy, it will get a decent score from me.
Scorpion: Myrath - My Inner War
So here’s a prog metal song, one that, on first listen, probably got unfairly lost in the shuffle of prog metal songs this round. On repeat listens, I have to say this is a pretty good song, though not without flaw
There’s some strong instrumentation from the guitars and keyboards, which is always good. When there’s a nice long intro with multiple parts that doesn’t have me waiting for the vocals to come in, that’s a good sign. The singer himself is perhaps fairly typical of prog metal, but he’s quite talented. He does well at shifting between different style and adding just a bit of grit where necessary.
The sole flaw in this song may be its length. There are some really awesome parts in this song (the intro, the first set of verses, the “They will be there” part). And there aren’t really any bad parts, but there are sections that I just see as generic riffing that don’t really do too much for me. It seems that while this is a pretty good 8 and a half minute song, it could have been a really good 6 minute song. Still, this was an enjoyable listen.
senecadawg2: Beardfish - Green Waves
Okay, this song is just cool.
This is a song whose style is definitely in a genre that is in my wheelhouse (prog metal) but whose actual sound is not really like anything I’ve heard before. There’s a nice use of melodic heavy riffs that really do sound like waves of music in this song, alternated with some softer parts. The singer does a really nice job of expressing emotion and adding grit where necessary. The vocal melodies are really strong too, quite powerful and memorable.
This is a long song with a lot of moving parts, and I think it’ll take several more listens for to really get everything that’s going on here. There might be a little too much repetition, but the parts that get repeated are good parts, so I’ll totally allow it. This whole thing is a very good ride from start to finish, with an awesome singer and some very powerful instrumentation. As I said at the beginning of the writeup, this song is just cool.
wolfking: Evergrey - King of Errors
This round: wolfking sends another cool metal song.
This one has a long spoken word intro, which one could argue is too long, but it’s pretty epic, so it’s okay with me. The song itself is just a really awesome if somewhat straightforward prog-metally track. There’s some nice instrumentation here, with those heavy riffs and keyboard elements, which provide a lot of good atmosphere on the chorus.
And speaking of choruses, the chorus here is really awesome and completely makes the song. It’s massive and epic and has just been completely stuck in my head the last few days, in a good way. I haven’t read all the lyrics, but what I can easily discern in the chorus is awesome lyrically as well. The singer’s voice isn’t jaw-dropping, but he totally fits in with the music, and I like him pretty well.
Also, the setting where they’re playing in the music video is really cool.
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Sweet. Looks like you enjoyed Green Waves at leas a little bit more than Tyrias. Hopefully Red likes it even more!! :tup :tup
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Mr. Red tells me that he hopes to have his writeups done and ready for posting some time tomorrow.
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Now I hope reds likes my song as much as the other judges
Mr. Red tells me that he hopes to have his writeups done and ready for posting some time tomorrow.
Sweet
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I guess I did "okay" so i'm basically 100% out of the roulette now :lol
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Guess I can scratch sending Mandroid ever again. Dammit I love that fucking band too, you guys just don't know man.... :p
Good call on the Claudio from Coheed comment, I always say they sound like a blend of Coheed and Tesseract. Anyhoo, if I somehow survive, I gotta start sending the real obscure shit from here on out.
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i need to listen to more mandroid echostar, i listened to one of their albums or EP's or whatever once and enjoyed it but i've been swamped in stuff i actually bought :lol
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Guess I can scratch sending Mandroid ever again. Dammit I love that fucking band too, you guys just don't know man.... :p
:-\ Sorry about that one! For what it's worth, I'm totally not against looking into some of their other stuff. There may yet be a song from them that does it for me.
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Yeah, thought the dissonances wouldn't appeal you, but I just love the climax of this song, when everything gets pretty epic. And yyou'd enjoy the album anyways, it's pretty accessible yet quite creative.
And since Mr Red doesn't enjoy generic/formulaic music much, I had to send this one :P
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why was i sent a different pure reason revolution song than the one everyone seems to be praising here, though :P
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I don't know, but you should listen to this one, because it is quite good.
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Looks like I did alright.
wolfking: Evergrey - King of Errors
This round: wolfking sends another cool metal song.
This one has a long spoken word intro, which one could argue is too long, but it’s pretty epic, so it’s okay with me. The song itself is just a really awesome if somewhat straightforward prog-metally track. There’s some nice instrumentation here, with those heavy riffs and keyboard elements, which provide a lot of good atmosphere on the chorus.
Actually, on the album these are two separated tracks. The spoken intro is called The Awakening, and King of Errors starts when the instruments kick in. The band just merged the two together for this official video.
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Looks like I did alright.
wolfking: Evergrey - King of Errors
This round: wolfking sends another cool metal song.
This one has a long spoken word intro, which one could argue is too long, but it’s pretty epic, so it’s okay with me. The song itself is just a really awesome if somewhat straightforward prog-metally track. There’s some nice instrumentation here, with those heavy riffs and keyboard elements, which provide a lot of good atmosphere on the chorus.
Actually, on the album these are two separated tracks. The spoken intro is called The Awakening, and King of Errors starts when the instruments kick in. The band just merged the two together for this official video.
Yeah, I should have probably made this clear when sending the song.
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Ah, that makes sense. Well, I liked the intro anyway, so it worked out!
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what happened to tomorrow :soon:
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what happened to tomorrow :soon:
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it's not your fault, taylor, i blame mystery redchine
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I thought this wouldn't become a problem but since results are taking longer than expected I'm having a bit of a time problem:
I'm leaving on a skiing holiday next Saturday for a week, and while I'll be able to listen to music over my phone, I really rather wouldn't write the write-ups on my phone. Also, I'll obivously have less time to listen to music then right now, with the whole "being around people and doing sports outside"-thing. So, please try to send the songs for the next round asap when we get Mr. Red's results and you know whether you survived or not. I'll start listening immediately once I get your song and try to have results up by friday night, as I get the songs fast enough that I can still give them a fair chance.
As I don't want to hold everything up for a week (I think this last round was already long enough), I'll just post very brief write-ups via my phone in case I don't have enough listening time before friday and then elaborate on them after I get home from my holiday.
Thanks.
(Of course you can send already if you're confident you'll make it ;) )
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I think it's alright. It's not your usual roulette anyway, and there are three judges instead of one, and we've all got our work duties or studying or some other real life related stuff, so I think the longer rounds are perfectly fine.
That being said, if you or 425 were the main judge this round I would've sent already since I know you liked my song, but as Mr. Red is the king this time I'm going to wait for the results.
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Sorry for the delay… Real life intervened majorly over the weekend… It’s temproarily been taken care of, so hopefully no more delays… and then I went to send my write ups and my write ups were gone… so I had to redo them… and then I found them again... yeah. I love techonology. Writeups may be a little shorter now since I just did them and they didn’t save so I’m a little angry. Here we go…
My Inner War - Myrath
I loved the beginning of this song. It reminded me a lot of DT or LTE without the heaviness of 2000s-era DT. I LOVED the tempo shift, which again reminded me of DT, but Images/Awake era. Overall this track is SOLID. I love the natural piano without the overindulgence placed on wankey synth solos (I prefer natural piano), and the singer fit the mold very well. How have I not heard this band before now? I love it. Great submission.
The Line Between - Baroness
The beginning of the song reminds me of an 80s era fantasy movie like Legend or Labyrinth… then the low chugga chugga of the guitar came in. This turned into a fun alt-rock song reminiscent of late 90s Foo Fighters or similar bands (like what rock was before Creed and Nickelback ruined it for the next decade). There’s nothing extremely memorable that sticks out of this track, but I enjoyed it immensely.
Farm on the Freeway - Jethro Tull
I never really got into Tull, except for their big hits (Thick as a Brick and Aqualung), so this was a pleasant submission. Obviously 80s Tull? Again, I enjoyed this quite a bit, although it seemed to drag on near the end. Ian Anderson is a beast. Only he could fit a flute into a rock song and make it work. And it works very well. I’m interested in hearing more Tull.
Green Waves - Beardfish
Beardfish is one of those bands that I intended on getting into and never did (that list is VERY long)... I think I’ve heard a few tracks by them in recent memory but don’t remember what they sounded like. Again, with this one, nothing that really stands out or makes me be like WOW. I do like that wall of sound that leads into the very well done instrumental section near the end. It just seemed to drag on a little bit too long. Again, I would like to hear more before I base judgement on the band as a whole.
Iron Hands - Mandroid Echostar
This sounds like it was taken out of the 80s… I think they are trying to sound like Coheed and Cambria. Nothing extremely memorable here. It’s LOUD. It’s not a bad thing, but it doesn’t go anywhere because of it, at least in my opinion. Again, I’d give them another chance. There’s a lot of potential here to find something this band does that I enjoy a little more.
Bat Out of Hell - Meat Loaf
I had heard this song before but it had been ages… most of the time when you are at a bar you hear Paradise by the Dashboard Light and that song just seems to go on and on and on… as Wagnerian Rock tends to do… but this song, while almost at epic length, doesn’t feel that way. It’s fun, it moves, and Meat Loaf can SAAANG.
Being Human - Bent Knee
This song is completely different from anything that was submitted so far, and I really enjoy it! Very subtle, avant garde, jazzy, you never know what’s going to happen. This really surprised me, and it grew on me. I loved it.
King of Errors - Evergrey
Another power prog metal song with a driving hook… It almost sounds like it was taken out of the 80s again with those synth sounds that drive behind the amped up guitars and drums. I don’t mind that at all, but it just seemed to stay on there all the time and not go anywhere. It wasn’t bad at all, I enjoyed it, but not as much as others in this round.
Pure Reason Revolution - Bullitts Dominae
I loved the introduction. It was subtle, mysterious, laid back, not bombastic. And then those vocal harmonies. The chorus comes in and you hear a higher voice and it all interweaves within itself, making it more mysterious and emotional (like those emotions interweaving within each other within oneself)... Then at the end you hear that major chord within everything else… like the person is at peace with his inner turmoil… Very well done.
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Now that Tier 1 is finished we must say goodbye to two competitors. In this case, it is Parama and the former champion lonestar, who will be eliminated. :omg: The king of wolves could possibly be disappointed that he wasn't eliminated. :lol
Round 4 submissions are now being accepted. This is a green round and so Tyrias is the primary judge.
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i guess i really need to listen to that PRR track sometime :lol
anyways that's fine, i can't really fit any of the judges' tastes here too well considering my current favorite mood is sludgy prog metal or black metal :lol
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Wow, a solid comeback for wolfking achieved in no small part by earning the favor of the secondary judges.
Parama, lonestar... sad to see y'all go, but somebody had to be eliminated. Both of you were in my roulette, so you probably know by now that I appreciate you in general. That said:
Lonestar, you've definitely convinced me to give a full Kingcrow album a shot in the near future. I still feel like I should like them more than I actually do, but both songs I've heard from them now have had very good parts, so I'll have to give them a full try soon. The songs from Structural Disorder and Mandroid Echostar were both good and not great songs. I enjoyed listening to them, even if I don't know if I'll pursue more music from those artists. It was good having you in my roulette this summer even though I didn't always love your entries then, and the same is true here.
Parama... Your music tastes have gotten weirder :lol I like the sludgy sound of Baroness in limited quantities well enough that I might give one of their albums a go. The Hirsch Effekt was interesting but may be too far out there for me if what you said about that being one of their poppier songs is true. East of the Wall is probably too far out there for me. But if roulette songs you have contributed to me is anything that matters to you, you did send me some of my favorite songs in my roulette, and Lorde, Kamelot and Coheed are all among my current favorites. Hard luck this time, I suppose, but it was interesting to see what stranger stuff you had to offer.
Anyway, onward to new horizons. Let's see how the remaining 7 contestants handle the heightened stakes.
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my weirder music tastes are why i'm sitting at the bottom of BIZKIT's roulette right now :lol
i'm gonna send off a few songs you might like in PM though, just 'cause
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Nekov's growing quite the lead!
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Nekov's growing quite the lead!
Indeed. And you dropped a helluva turd there?!? :omg:
I made up a little ground there, but still perilously close to the cut line. Will decide on something tomorrow - and PM it to Tyrias so he's not waiting on our host to re-forward.
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:facepalm:
Alright, that's what I get for sending such a kickass band.
I'm not really mad for not being eliminated, just time is my issue at the moment being able to put 100% into it, which frustrates me.
I'll work hard on this round and send something hopefully tonight.
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Will decide on something tomorrow - and PM it to Tyrias so he's not waiting on our host to re-forward.
I don't really see why that's necessary, he doesn't go away until Saturday, and I pass on what I've received daily.
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i suppose it's kind of ironic that the self-proclaimed "paula" of the three judges ended up giving me the least points of the three judges :corn
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Will decide on something tomorrow - and PM it to Tyrias so he's not waiting on our host to re-forward.
I don't really see why that's necessary, he doesn't go away until Saturday, and I pass on what I've received daily.
Well, if I don't get to it until noon my time, that's 3am (??) for you. I could give him a listen or two extra, so that he can get his writeups done by Friday.
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This is just an open round isn't it? Not themed?
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Well, if I don't get to it until noon my time, that's 3am (??) for you. I could give him a listen or two extra, so that he can get his writeups done by Friday.
Okay, send it directly to him if you wish. But I'd also like you to send it to me so I can check whether 425/Red know the song and want to abstain.
This is just an open round isn't it? Not themed?
All three rounds in this tier are open.
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Nekov's growing quite the lead!
Indeed. And you dropped a helluva turd there?!? :omg:
Apparently two of the judges thought so...
That Beardfish song is one of my favorites, though not one I've ever submitted for a roulette before...
I'll send my next round shortly
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i suppose it's kind of ironic that the self-proclaimed "paula" of the three judges ended up giving me the least points of the three judges :corn
I'm also probably the most vanilla of the three judges—stuff that I put in a box labelled "too weird" is likely to take a hit in the scoring. Both your first two submissions were in that box to an extent. As evidence of this trend, notice the failure of Being Human to impress me while it seems everybody else loves it.
Apparently two of the judges thought so...
That Beardfish song is one of my favorites, though not one I've ever submitted for a roulette before...
Well, I liked it, anyway! :-\
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chocolate is way better anyways, i regret nothing
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As well you shouldn't. The songs just didn't work for me. That's nothing against them or you.
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Sent Round 4
Something along the lines of :metal
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Hell yeah, back to the second place! Nekov, kindly fuck up the next few rounds, will you? :P
Will send my next song this evening.
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You guys smoke way too much crack to appreciate good music.
I kid, but man what is up with the distaste for my boys, I was burning through that album. Oh well...
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did you see the PM I sent you though, 425
assuming i sent it or sent it to the right place, i think i did ???
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I got it, yeah. I'll try to give those songs a listen before the next round starts.
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Phew, I'm still in! :D
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Round 4 sent.
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Sent over Spotify to Bolsters, and PM to Tyrias.
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I already have 3 songs, thank you for being so quick (and thanks to Bolsters for forwarding rather quickly)! I did a first listen of what I got so far, but the only thing I'm gonna say right now is that I'm loving the variety here! 3 pretty different songs.
Also, here are some good-bye words to our (unfortunately) eliminated participants:
Parama: I think I'm actually the judge who enjoyed your submissions the most, so I'm kind of sad to see you go. You sent 3 very interesting songs, 2 of them good, and one of them excellent (The Hirsch Effekt). From what you told about your tastes in this thread, I think we have pretty opposite developments there. You seem to be going for more hardcore and heavy stuff lately, while I'm more drawn towards calm and emotional (not necessarily sad though) recently. Doesn't mean I can't appreciate a good heavy song though ;). Thank you for playing!
lonestar: I'm sorry to see you going first again after you finished last in my first roulette. You did send 3 good songs, but unfortunately your last submission was your weakest one and got you out of the ranks of survivors. Anyway, I'll probably check out Kingcrow when this Roulette is over, so thanks for introducing me to them :D.
Edit: now 4 songs received ;)
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Sent over Spotify to Bolsters, and PM to Tyrias.
Received.
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There's at least one mistake in there, Parama had 18 points total from me, and Wolfking 17.
Also, I'm loving that Bent Knee album. Lots of stellar songs on there.
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You're right, their names were out of order.
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To the judges, two questions: what's your take on hip-hop? Do you like some crazy electronic percussion, like glitches and such? :P
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Nekov, kindly fuck up the next few rounds, will you? :P
We'll see what happens, I can't promise anything :lol
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Sent something with which I may or may not fuck up :P
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I think the table Bolsters posted is quite interesting. I gave the highest combined score to a single contestant of the first set of rounds, and tied for the second-highest, but I also gave the lowest and tied for the second-lowest. Mr. Red gave the highest total number of points: 176.5 vs. 173 for me and 171.5 for Tyrias. So we're all pretty close in terms of point totals, but it seems that Mr. Red has actually been the nicest and Tyrias has been the meanest. I may have to embrace the role of Randy Jackson.
To the judges, two questions: what's your take on hip-hop? Do you like some crazy electronic percussion, like glitches and such? :P
As I'm sure you've heard from me already, hip hop is a genre I don't know that well, but I would guess that it will be hit or miss. Glitches are an absolute no, those are going to bother me and I'll almost certainly dock you a half point just for annoying me with those.
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Tyrias may stay the meanest all he wants as long as he gives me the high scores.
Also, sent for R4.
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To the judges, two questions: what's your take on hip-hop? Do you like some crazy electronic percussion, like glitches and such? :P
Well, I've never really listened to Hip-Hop and I don't really enjoy what little I do know. It's mostly mainstream stuff though, so maybe something more "indie" would suit me better. I wouldn't bet on it though. As for electronic percussion, I don't really mind it as long as it just enhances the song. A friend once played me a band called "Glitch Mob" that apparently use a lot of this weird percussion and I quite liked what I heard.
That being said, no matter the genre, the most important stuff in a song is always emotion, be it sadness, angriness, happiness or just a certain mood. If it leaves me cold in that regard you'll be lucky if you get a 9 (or a 3 in a sec round).
Also, I think you sent something kind of hip-hoppy / glitchy in my last roulette (at least I think it was you) that I felt rather lackluster about (at least looking back, I think I actually gave it a decent score back then). Make sure it's not the same thing.
I wouldn't put too much importance on those added-up scores. They might just be an indication of how strong the particular round of the judge was in terms of songs, rather than the overall "strictness" of the judge. Though it's kind of nice being seen as the "meanest", no expectations of being nice to fulfill :P
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I wouldn't put to much importance on those added-up scores. They might just be an indication of how strong the particular round of the judge was in terms of songs, rather than the overall "strictness" of the judge. Though it's kind of nice being seen as the "meanest", no expectations of being nice to fulfill :P
Oh, no question, that's why I made a point of saying how we were all pretty close to each and saying that you have been the meanest across these three rounds, not that you are the meanest.
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Gonna be tough for me to survive another round! :lol
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Everyone is in and the last of the submissions were just passed along on to the judges. :corn
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Awesome, got 'em! Should be just a little easier to find time to listen with a couple fewer entries this time. Hopefully I'll get started tomorrow.
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I'm 2 listens in, very mixed reactions so far. Some pretty good stuff, some things I don't really care for that much. I don't see anything becoming one of my top three songs in this roulette so far, though.
Also, there's quite a difference between rough top and bottom marks right now, so this has the potential to shake things up a bit.
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Maybe I should have sent my original song instead of last minute change. These never seem to do me any good.
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4 listens in, and here are some interesting facts about my scores so far:
Out of the bottom three ranked participants, two of them sent the two best songs this round and are going to gain quite a bit of ground. The other one sent the worst song of this round, and a clear contestant for worst song of the roulette so far (it's still a decent song though). This opinion might change though.
This is a really diverse round: We have classical, prog rock, alt rock, something rather post-rocky, and a few songs that could maybe be labelled as prog but don't really fulfill most of the clichés about prog.
Also, I'm considering making my next round a "female lead-singer" round, because female vocals are seriously underrepresented in this roulette so far.
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Also, I'm considering making my next round a "female lead-singer" round, because female vocals are seriously underrepresented in this roulette so far.
Sounds good, and not all that constricting. Let me know when you've made up your mind for sure though.
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And if you do decide to run the theme, will you accept a song with male and female vocalist, both lead and both singing about equal amount of lines? Because that's what I've got for R7.
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Female vocals? Well, that might be a little hard...
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Female vocals? Well, that might be a little hard...
This, not because I lack female vocalists but most of them are banned :lol
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Someone please explain this to me :lol
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you will see in time
if sacul doesn't get cut
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Destiny Potato apparently? Don't know what the upper picture is about but the lower one is a potato, that I can tell.
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the top one is the logo for a game called Destiny
i'm pretty sure it sucks but i've never actually played it myself bcuz i don't care for FPSes
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As promised, Round 4 results are here. Overall, I’d say this was the weakest round of this roulette so far. There’s no song I’d consider bad or horrible, in fact most are good or slightly better, but compared to previous rounds that’s still worse.
My prediction about the top 2 songs being by 2 out of the 3 bottom ranked players didn’t totally come true, as there was one other song that grew on me quite a bit, but 2 of you are still near the top. The other person is sadly still last.
On to the write-ups:
Senecadawg2: Ludovico Einaudi – Divenire
I’m probably more familiar with classical music than most people here, with 10 years of compulsory music education at school (and an additional to voluntary years). I remember you sending a similar song in my last roulette, I’m not sure if it was the same artist though. This is most certainly the most beautiful song this round, but that’s all it is. It has some nice melodies, the overall atmosphere is quite good. What it fails to do and what I kind of expect classical music to do nowadays is evoke some kind of picture in my mind. Be it a walk through a garden, a day by the sea or anything else, this doesn’t manage to do that. So unfortunately this doesn’t get any better than pretty good for me. Still, nice submission.
Wolfking: Fates Warning – Monument
This was really boring for me on my first listen and the higher pitched vocals symbolized everything I don’t like that much about prog-vocalists. I’m still not fond of the vocals (at all), but the rest of the song grew on me a bit. It actually has a decent atmosphere and some good riffs in the start. My favourite part is definitely the part where he shuts up, though (aka the instrumental part). That part is pretty groovy and has some nice guitar solos, my favourite being the acoustic solo (I just love myself some good acoustic guitar solos). Unfortunately the singer starts again after that cool break and drags the song down once more. I feel kind of bad giving you the worst score this round after you just barely made it through the cutting line, but that’s just how life is.
Also, what the hell is that happy part of the song ends? That totally comes out of nowhere.
Jingle.boy: Dec Burek – Promised
This starts of rather soft, with some programmed drums and a synth. The voice fits absolutely perfectly here, and it doesn’t hurt the song that I’m a fan of deep, soulful and calm voices in general (Granted, the chorus is quite a bit higher, but it’s still nice). Thinking back to the song after listening to it, I don’t really remember any particular moments or melodies, but the haunting and somber atmosphere at the start and the moment where it suddenly gets louder with electric guitars and a very fitting solo. All this would have given you something pretty close to maximum score, but there are some points that do drag it down slightly, mainly the ending. I felt it could have been a bit shorter, because it grew kind of repetitive by the end. Also, it’s somewhat lacking in punch because there really aren’t that many bass frequencies. Still, one of the better songs this round, if not the best.
Sacul: Alter Bridge – Blackbird
I woke up today with the chorus of this stuck in my head. I quite like the intro, but the really strong parts are after it gets loud for the first time. No matter if it’s loud or quiet after that, the dynamics really carry the song and keep in interesting and engaging all the way through. There are some clear stand out moments that really give me that emotional impact which raises a song from good / very good to fantastic and make it deserving of a really high score. Namely, those are: every chorus, but especially the end of the second chorus with that awesome vocal moment and the second part of the guitar solo when the whole band kicks in back again. And the ending of course. Totally loving his almost-screaming in combination with the heavy distorted guitars. It needs the calm outro to calm down again after that. Great work, this was definitely the best song this round, and by quite a margin!
MAY YOU NEVER BE BROKEN AGAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN
Nekov: Lights & Motion – Drift
I’m not sure how to classify this genre-wise. It’s instrumental, has guitars, drums, bass some synths and violins (?). There are some build-ups as well that would make it rather post-rocky, but it’s just too happy for post-rock. No matter the genre, I quite like this. It has a nice cheerful atmosphere, some moments you can rock out to but there’s something lacking that would make it a great song. While I can appreciate it for what it is, I don’t really feel it all that much.
Evermind: Roger Waters – It’s a Miracle
I really like the atmosphere the organ in the background creates here. I also like all the things he does with his voice to enhance that atmosphere, while still staying rather quiet most of the time. Lyric-wise, there are some parts that I like, and others that are a bit cringeworthy, even though I’m fond of the overall topic. It’s quite long, but the variations in the vocals and occasional keyboard, guitar and drum parts keep it interesting. The strongest parts for me are probably the kind of creepy chanting near the end, and the short solo that closes it off. Still, this is not your best submission so far and I liked David Gilmour more (just to have a bit of a Pink Floyd – showdown ;)).
Scorpion: Fanticide – My Regret
I found this really bland and boring on first listen, but it grew on me so much that it’s now my second favourite song this round. What you wrote in your PM about the vocals being the best part about this song and really emotional is certainly true. Reading along to the lyrics is what made it so much better for me. I wouldn’t have guessed this was about drug addiction if you hadn’t told me though. The overall atmosphere in this is just so strong, even though it doesn’t have that many moments that stick out to me. The mood of the song really conveys the inner turmoil that is portrayed in the lyrics. Especially that screams at the end, mixed with the clean vocals are just amazing.
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Props for sending Blackbild Lucas, that's an amazing song and I'm slightly mad at myself that I didn't think of it.
Also :metal for liking Fanticide. It's actually a project by DTF's very own Adami, and the whole album is one of the best concept albums to come from this decade so far, in my opinion, and while My Regret is one of the strongest songs, atmospherically, I find that the album works best taken as an album from start to finish.
If you're interested, check it out on bandcamp: https://fanticide.bandcamp.com/album/the-fall-of-grace/
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Also, I just did the maths adding my scores and the only ranks that didn't change are first and last, everyone is in a different position than they were before. Of course the secondary judges still have a say in this as well.
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My prediction about the top 2 songs being by 2 out of the 3 bottom ranked players didn’t totally come true, as there was one other song that grew on me quite a bit
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Jingle.boy: Dec Burek – Promised
Still, one of the better songs this round, if not the best.
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Sacul: Alter Bridge – Blackbird
Great work, this was definitely the best song this round, and by quite a margin!
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Not that Blackbird isn't a great song... I'm just confused about these (seemingly) contradicting statements. :lol
No biggie... It would seem I did ok, and for a Green/Tyrias round, that's a great thing for this cochise.
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Oh yeah, what I actually wanted to write was "even though it’s not the best". That’s what you get for not doing a spell check after finishing I guess. Sorry for that. (You still came in third, if it's any consolation).
And while I'm correcting stuff: looking back, Blackbird is actually just slightly ahead of second place, but those two songs have quite a head start on the rest of the field. I hadn't written the write-up for number 2 and put a final score when I wrote that
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the best song was actually mine :tup
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the best song was actually mine :tup
You forgot to send it though ::)
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I wasn't sure if sending Blackbird to you or 425, but I'm so glad you liked it, fantastic track :metal
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I'll try to get my results by Sunday. Tyrias stop putting me to shame.
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Just dropping in to approve of Blackbird. One of my favorite songs ever and it's always good to see it getting a new fan. :tup
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I'll try to get my results by Sunday. Tyrias stop putting me to shame.
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I'm not sure if I have ever listened to Blackbird (the song). I usually get bored with the album before I get that far in.
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Most beautiful but only 'pretty good'? :huh:
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Most beautiful but only 'pretty good'? :huh:
Most beautiful this round, which was rather weak Compared to others. And beauty isn't the only thing that can make a song great, other songs just did other areas better.
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Well something beautiful would certainly earn anyone a high (or a more than good at least) score in my roulette, just saying :corn
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It's not like seneca got a bad score, or anything, he's pretty much on round average. But something can be really beautiful without having that little extra that makes a pretty good song into a fantastic one, imho.
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Well something beautiful would certainly earn anyone a high (or a more than good at least) score in my roulette, just saying :corn
Well, that's what I've sent for your Round 6. I'm hoping for a great score.
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Well something beautiful would certainly earn anyone a high (or a more than good at least) score in my roulette, just saying :corn
Well, that's what I've sent for your Round 6. I'm hoping for a great score.
My song is beautiful aswell, but in a different way that he will probably not understand. >:(
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It's not like seneca got a bad score, or anything, he's pretty much on round average. But something can be really beautiful without having that little extra that makes a pretty good song into a fantastic one, imho.
I understand :smiley:
It just caught me off guard when I was first reading the writeup.
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It's almost Monday here :sadpanda:
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Wow, and I actually put some thought in this round, well I thought. :lol That's some pretty negative opinions on Ray Alder too, but that's life and opinions for you.
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Yeah, it's gonna be another day or two. It's been a busy week and weekend.
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Wow, and I actually put some thought in this round, well I thought. :lol That's some pretty negative opinions on Ray Alder too, but that's life and opinions for you.
Clearly the wrong roulette to send Ray Alder.
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Wow, and I actually put some thought in this round, well I thought. :lol That's some pretty negative opinions on Ray Alder too, but that's life and opinions for you.
Clearly the wrong roulette to send Ray Alder.
Shows how much research I did then. :lol
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Wow, and I actually put some thought in this round, well I thought. :lol That's some pretty negative opinions on Ray Alder too, but that's life and opinions for you.
Clearly the wrong roulette to send Ray Alder.
Shows how much research I did then. :lol
I wouldn't have known either. The 'clearly' part only comes after the verdict. Hindsight is 20/20
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Well, given my comment on Yes' vocalist in my review of that Jethro Tull song, you could have guessed this wouldn't go too well :lol
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Well, given my comment on Yes' vocalist in my review of that Jethro Tull song, you could have guessed this wouldn't go too well :lol
I haven't read any other writeups.
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Mr. Red has told me that his writeups/results should be in by tomorrow.
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senecadawg2 Ludovico Einaudi - Divenire
Holy crap. This is absolutely beautiful. I loved every single moment of it. It reminded me of "A Kaleidoscope of Mathematics" by James Horner from the movie A Beautiful Mind, that same type of buildup and intensity and beauty with the piano as the forefront accent. My favorite piece of the entire roulette so far.
Scorpion Fanticide - My Regret
This piece really had some promise, I enjoyed it, I loved the singer... the mysteriousness and foreboding nature of the entire piece really grabbed me... then about halfway through I heard these harsh vocals going back and forth with the singer and I'm like wtf... the harsh vocals were BAD.... they didn't sound good at all... I'm not a fan of harsh vocals anyway, but if they are used correctly I'll tolerate them... this sounded like someone dying. The rest of the piece was good, but I couldn't get past that. Maybe I'm being too anal. I don't know.
wolfking Fates Warning - Monument
This piece was puzzling to me. It wasn't particularly bad, it just felt dated... hard to put exactly what I mean here... like I couldn't tell if they were trying to sound like today or 1987. Like I said, it wasn't bad at all, I did like it. What's with the random last 30 seconds of music that sounded like MIDI music on the computer? Again that sounded really out of place...
jingle.boy Dec Burke - Promised
I did like this piece overall. Nothing really stood out, but I really like the buildup, the guitar solo, and the background synths throughout the entire piece. The vocals fit perfectly.
Sacul Alter Bridge - Blackbird
Another piece that I enjoyed but didn't really have anything that stood out to me that made it particularly memorable. That said, I really enjoyed it a lot and wish that more rock sounded like this. All the elements of the piece fit together really well. I loved the mix of the rhythm guitar with the melodic guitar as the piece went on as well as the intensity of the vocalist... the last guitar solo was subtly fitting.
Nekov Lights & Motion - Drift
Oooooo another piece that I really really enjoyed. The simplicity and repetative nature of it, yet elements quietly kept being added to it to pique my interest. Again, this sounded like something I would have heard in the climax of a movie. I really enjoyed it.
Evermind Roger Waters - It's a Miracle
I'm going to be honest and say I listened to the studio version a few times before I read "It's the live version" just because the links don't work on my phone when they are posted in my email, so I just search and add it. I was going to originally rate this 3/5 but I enjoy the live version a LOT better than the studio version. It seems more... intimate. I think Waters sound better here too.
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Yeah I didn't expect you to love it, but to me the epicness of the chorus is what makes it stand out - don't worry, I've got tons of stuff for you, Mr Red.
Btw, will you reveal us your identity after the championship ends? I feel our tastes are quite compatible and would like to share some more stuff with you :P
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On the one hand I'm really happy you enjoyed the song, Red!
On the other hand :censored that I sent it during a Green round, when Tyrias clearly didn't enjoy it as much as you.
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So long everyone.
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Alright, now the pressure is actually on me.
Should be tomorrow from me.
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Dammit, it's a shame that such a short passage in a 7+-minutes song drags it down so much for you, but I get that. It's not rare for me to find songs where I like lots of things and small details that seem like they should be insignificant just sort of end up having a way bigger impact than I feel they should.
I still think you'd enjoy the album, some of the most song-oriented prog and some of the best prog lyrics that I've heard from the last five years. The harsh vocals are few and far between, except for Your Betrayal - even though that song call for those vocals, I still doubt you'd like it, given your misgivings about the harsh vocals.
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Reading through red's write-ups, the comment on the harsh vocals is what I disagree with the most. As harsh vocals they suck, but they excel at conveying that emotion of rage and guilt that they're going for imo.
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i'm just going to be really surprised if red isn't one of the fogeys
actually i really hope red is like, bosk or something
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Actually. the live version of my song is much better and that's why I sent it. I specifically asked Bolsters if it's forbidden and apparently it wasn't, so yes, please rate the live version, not the studio one.
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I've been sending the judges the correct versions of songs, but apparently they have been looking up the songs I didn't send Spotify links for on Spotify anyway. I'll have to start hitting them with rolled-up newspapers or something. :lol So from now on I will explicitly state when I am sending alternate/live/whatever versions of songs so that they're listening to the proper song from the beginning. It probably wouldn't hurt if people also informed me when they submit such songs, aswell.
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This looks good so far, not as good as the first 3 rounds but hopefully I can still keep an advantage.
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i'm just going to be really surprised if red isn't one of the fogeys
actually i really hope red is like, bosk or something
I really doubt it will be any of the fogeys, since he hasn't liked much of the prog/power metal sent on the championship. His tastes seem a bit hipster tbh :P
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i'm just going to be really surprised if red isn't one of the fogeys
actually i really hope red is like, bosk or something
I really doubt it will be any of the fogeys, since he hasn't liked much of the prog/power metal sent on the championship. His tastes seem a bit hipster tbh :P
I agree, none of the fogeys like post rock :lol
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I've been sending the judges the correct versions of songs, but apparently they have been looking up the songs I didn't send Spotify links for on Spotify anyway. I'll have to start hitting them with rolled-up newspapers or something. :lol So from now on I will explicitly state when I am sending alternate/live/whatever versions of songs so that they're listening to the proper song from the beginning. It probably wouldn't hurt if people also informed me when they submit such songs, aswell.
Bolsters, the Spotify track code you sent us for Evermind's submission definitely goes to the studio version. Just saying.
I've done three writeups. I'm going to be busy for the next couple of hours, but then I'll come back and do the remaining four. So I would say that I'll post my writeups in about 3 hours.
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Yup, the Spotify link for Evermind's song is definitely a studio version. I'm willing to listen to the live version and correct my score though (you should be aware that it will also go down if I like the live version less).
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Alright, here are some writeups, at long last.
I agree with Tyrias that this was a round that was on the weak side. Not a huge dip in quality; there will still be several songs getting good scores here as usual, but a) there isn't a standout and b) there are several songs that I really felt like could have been more. So while there are 7 songs here that are at least good, it felt disappointing to me, as the bottom three really felt like they had potential but that there was something missing, while one of the top three... well, just read ahead to what we call "425 Does Six Writeups and a Rant"
Evermind: Roger Waters - It’s a Miracle
Okay, here’s the deal for me about Roger Waters. I like a lot of his music. I have tremendous respect for his talent. But personally, I really dislike the guy. Almost everything he says publicly is really just unpleasant in my opinion. It’s the whole sense of being so proud of how cynical he is about “society.” It really annoys me, and I just personally do not like him.
This wouldn’t ordinarily bother me. Listening to The Wall, who cares, because, though it’s an aspect of the story, it’s not the dominating aspect of the whole thing. But on this song, he’s just so… in my face about how anti-corporate, anti-establishment and cynical he is. I don’t think a song ever needs to name-drop “Pepsi” and “McDonald’s,” and I don’t see why we need a long sequence describing Andrew Lloyd Webber’s fingers being broken. Some people can put aside lyrics and score the song just based on music, but I can’t do it. It’s not like I’m strictly juding the quality of lyrics, but if there are lyrics that annoy me, yeah, you’re going to take a hit. And, to be really frank, this song takes a big hit for the lyrics, because I really actively dislike them.
That said, musically, this is probably the best song of the round. Waters is undoubtedly a brilliant composer, and while he’s not a spectacular singer, he knows how to use his voice to achieve the desired effect in his own compositions. This song is musically really awesome, actually. The atmosphere is brilliant, the subtle instrumentation very good and the vocal melodies all excellent. So, yes, with better lyrics, this could potentially be among the best scores of the whole thing from me. But I can’t do it because the lyrical content is so obnoxious to me and is so in my face that it actively and significantly detracts from my enjoyment of the song.
Listening to the live version, it is there are ways in which it is somewhat better than the studio version. The piano just pops better live, and Waters’ voice works better in this setting, for whatever reason. The choral vocals and the sparingly used drums also jump out. I think some of the atmosphere is lost, or, rather, altered, by placing it on a concert stage, which is why I’m not going to say that the live version is heads above the studio version, but it is probably better. It’s a really fine live performance and recording of a really good composition. I’m definitely convinced that this song deserves a good score, which it will receive. But those lyrics. With different lyrics, man, this would be in the top three or four songs of the whole roulette.
jingle.boy: Dec Burke - Promised
This is an interesting song that I really don’t know how to categorize in terms of genre. I don’t care too much about genre, though, anyway, and the song itself is actually quite cool. There’s a really nice atmosphere created with some synth playing of some sort that is accompanied by some pretty lovely acoustic guitar playing. There’s some good guitar soloing later.
And, just for everyone else’s reference, if you want to really find a male singer that I’m pretty much guaranteed to like, someone like this is a good type to try. I love soft emotive male vocals like this guy’s. There are some nice vocal melodies here, and he really just sounds great on most of them. I particularly like the soft chorus that repeats about two-thirds of the way through the song.
This song isn’t an absolute stunner, but it’s very nice as an understated, unassuming little song that works with a strong sense of atmosphere and incorporates some nice vocal and guitar passages. I quite enjoy this sort of thing.
Nekov: Lights & Motion - Drift
Okay, this is a really cool song. Totally blends genres, like a couple other songs this round, but this is the best results of such a blend in my opinion. There’s just something really awesome about the way this one goes through a series of themes, ebbing and flowing in intensity through each one in succession. I guess there’s a lot of different instrumentation going on here, and it all works together really well to achieve some different musical effects in the song.
My favorite theme is the second main one, after the first loud and intense part, when it comes down to just the piano melody. That’s an awesome motif and I love how they build off of just the piano to add in all the different electronic instrumentation and eventually string parts on top of that one motif.
Also, this song does not overstay its welcome! It’s the shortest song of this round by a pretty wide margin, and I found that to be a good thing, because some of the songs here just felt a little too long for me. This is definitely one of my favorite entries of the round.
Sacul: Alter Bridge - Blackbird
So undeterred by my middling impression of Being Human, Sacul sends another roulette favorite. Well, this one I actually like better, so it worked out.
This is a classic example of song that really oscillates well between loud and soft, which is something that I like quite a bit. I like the clean guitar on the verses, and then, of course, that chorus is pretty massive. The singer is pretty good, not amazing, but very powerful, which is good. He makes these choruses very strong. The guitar solo is nice as well, though not extraordinary. I really like the build in intensity over the course of the song as well, so that’s good.
But here’s the thing, which seems to be a running theme of this round: Does this song need to be 8 minutes long? I hope this isn’t just something that happens to have been bothering me for the past few days because I’ve picked on so many of this round’s songs about it, but I can’t help think it here. I just feel like a song like this that’s more in the 6-7 minute range, maybe, would be a bit stronger?
Scorpion: Fanticide - My Regret
Well, this is undoubtedly an emotionally charged song. The slow soulful guitar work is very nice, as is the vocal interplay done by the female vocalists. The one who does the part of Innocence, in particular, has a very pleasant, soft voice.
There isn’t too much variation here, for a pretty long song. There is a nice buildup near the end that makes up for some of that, but I still think that the song might benefit from being a little bit shorter, but that’s one of those things where I could easily see my mind being changed if I listened to the full album.
I also am not really keen on the growls. Since they’re only in here for like five seconds, they don’t kill the whole thing for me, but I just don’t really think they work in this particular song. They do detract a little bit, and so between the growls and the slight issue I had with length, I did go for the lower of the two scores that I was debating between. There are definitely things to like here (and it’s cool to know that it was actually made by a DTF member, because it really is nice stuff), but like another song from this round, I felt like there was a little something missing. Maybe in the context of the full album…
senecadawg2: Ludovico Einaudi - Divenire
Okay, so seneca sends both the first and the second entry of string music into the roulette championship, both to Tyrias. While the first one wasn’t really a huge hit with me, I liked Divenire quite a bit, ranking it among my favorite entries of the round.
Honestly, this and Drift do a lot of the same things well, even though this is a piano-and-strings only piece while that one is everything but the kitchen sink instrumentally. Both of these songs introduce a variety of themes and use an ebb and flow to great effect. Here, I really like the interply between the piano and the string instruments, especially in the more intense parts of the song, where you can hear the strings move forward and start to overtake the piano. Which isn’t to say that the soft parts aren’t beautiful, because they absolutely are. I really love the piano work here. This one is just a beautiful piece of music through and through, and is probably my favorite entry of the round.
wolfking: Fates Warning - Monument
Fates Warning is, of course, a band that I know of, though I don’t know them very well. I did receive a song from them in my roulette, which was The Eleventh Hour, and which did alright.
This song is definitely an interesting one. For every part where it sounds a little like generic prog metal, there’s another part that is totally its own thing, so credit for that. However, musically, a lot of these parts I just consider to be alright, and the whole thing is not the most cohesive song ever. The intro is good and the vocal parts are solid (the singer himself is not my favorite, stylistically, but he’s good enough), but a lot of the riffing just isn’t really anything special. I do like the clean guitar part in the instrumental section. The end of the song seems to come out of nowhere and, while it’s certainly interesting as a change of pace, it kind of seems tacked on? I don’t know what that’s all about.
Overall, I feel like there might be something I’m missing here. Maybe this song works better in the full album context? Regardless, it’s a good song with some twists, only some of which work, that fails to transcend just good for me.
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As you say, it really does work better in the context of the album, and I guess I see where you're coming from with the length. Glad that you still liked it. If you want to have a listen, check out https://fanticide.bandcamp.com/album/the-fall-of-grace.
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To be honest, it lasts exactly what it needs to last imo. Never felt it was too long, only that it :metal all the way through.
But worry not, I have something right up your alley next round, 425 ;)
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So long everyone.
Yup... AMF.
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Great!
Looks like solid-to-great results all around, even if not targeted at the right judge
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I'm curious now, do 425 and mr red know a lot of or at least some classical music? Cause I'm pretty sure I'd have rated Divenire higher if I wasn’t familiar with quite a bit of classical music. It’s the comparison to some other pieces that killed it for me (well, not killed it, but lowered my opinion on it).
Also, I've decided to have my next round be themed as "female vocalists". That should be a bit of a challenge, while not being terribly restricting. Also, since we're getting closer to the final showdown then, a bit of a challenge should be nice.
Some remarks on that: the female vocalist or vocalists need to be a lead singer (or in some other way be at the center of the song, e.g. of you want to send a choir piece it should be obvious that there are female singers in there, but there doesn't have to be a lead singer.) I'm not forbidding male vocals, but the female vocals should have at least an equal share over the duration of the whole song.
So, save your female vocalists for round 7 ;).
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I don't know much classical music. A few pieces.
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I'm curious now, do 425 and mr red know a lot of or at least some classical music? Cause I'm pretty sure I'd have rated Divenire higher if I wasn’t familiar with quite a bit of classical music. It’s the comparison to some other pieces that killed it for me (well, not killed it, but lowered my opinion on it).
I don't see how that makes any sense :P
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I'm curious now, do 425 and mr red know a lot of or at least some classical music? Cause I'm pretty sure I'd have rated Divenire higher if I wasn’t familiar with quite a bit of classical music. It’s the comparison to some other pieces that killed it for me (well, not killed it, but lowered my opinion on it).
I don't see how that makes any sense :P
it doesn't make sense that he knows similar pieces that do what that one does, just better?
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425 agrees with me about blackbird, i'm glad i'm not crazy in that regard then. song's too long.
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Bolsters, the Spotify track code you sent us for Evermind's submission definitely goes to the studio version. Just saying.
Yup, the Spotify link for Evermind's song is definitely a studio version. I'm willing to listen to the live version and correct my score though (you should be aware that it will also go down if I like the live version less).
I recall when Evermind sent that it was the live version and thinking that I needed to pass that on since when I searched it on Spotify I only found the studio version (Red tells me there was a live version on Spotify, but it must not be available to me in Australia). So if I did send a Spotify link to you of the studio version, that's my fuck up. I must have forgotten to send the Youtube link when I passed it along.
The scoreboard as of the end of Round 4:
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Start sending the next round now.
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wow rip wolfking
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I'm curious now, do 425 and mr red know a lot of or at least some classical music? Cause I'm pretty sure I'd have rated Divenire higher if I wasn’t familiar with quite a bit of classical music. It’s the comparison to some other pieces that killed it for me (well, not killed it, but lowered my opinion on it).
I don't see how that makes any sense :P
it doesn't make sense that he knows similar pieces that do what that one does, just better?
Yes. I believe one should rate a song by how much you enjoy it on itself, indifferent if you've heard better tracks on that style. Knowing 'better' songs is a matter of appreciation - the tune doesn't change, only your perception of it. While I get that knowing more stuff in that vein makes it easier to judge and understand it, it shouldn't be a matter of "oh this is nice but it ain't [better song], or [better song], therefore it doesn't deserve a higher score than this".
Damn, looks like I may have a chance to get to the next tier! :o
EDIT: Ok, choosing between 3-4 tracks, will send in a few hours, or tomorrow.
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Wow. I would never have expected that Fates Warning would have been so poorly received. Oh well, good luck everyone.
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Wow. I would never have expected that Fates Warning would have been so poorly received. Oh well, good luck everyone.
I never would've expected that Chad's "AMF" would've been so kindly received :lol Had to look that one up.
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I'd say the only person who looks like they're definitely out at the end of Round 6 is Kade, who is very unlikely to dig himself out of that hole unless he both does well in the remaining two rounds and someone else screws up. However, it's close enough through the middle that anyone else could end up in the second elimination slot - Nekov is probably the only person that need not worry about it.
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I'd say the only person who looks like they're definitely out at the end of Round 6 is Kade, who is very unlikely to dig himself out of that hole unless he both does well in the remaining two rounds and someone else screws up. However, it's close enough through the middle that anyone else could end up in the second elimination slot - Nekov is probably the only person that need not worry about it.
Hang on wait, do I have to send again?
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Hang on wait, do I have to send again?
There are eliminations after every three rounds. You have to send again two more times. :lol
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Hang on wait, do I have to send again?
There are eliminations after every three rounds. You have to send again two more times. :lol
Fuck.
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Wait wait wait, so Tyrias listened to the studio version too? If so, yeah, for better or worse I kindly request a relisten.
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maybe you should all do the round over so Kade will have to send three more times. :lol
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maybe you should all do the round over so Kade will have to send three more times. :lol
I'll do it.
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More Winger avatars too - win all round.
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maybe you should all do the round over so Kade will have to send three more times. :lol
Why are you talking about yourself in the third person? :neverusethis:
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Wait wait wait, so Tyrias listened to the studio version too? If so, yeah, for better or worse I kindly request a relisten.
In case you missed it, here's what Tyrias said... I don't think he ever updated us on whether or not he did this.
Yup, the Spotify link for Evermind's song is definitely a studio version. I'm willing to listen to the live version and correct my score though (you should be aware that it will also go down if I like the live version less).
For the record, I listened to the studio version three times and scored the song a 3.5 after the third listen. I then listened to the live version once and changed to a 4.0—that transformation probably would have also occurred with a fourth listen to the studio version.
If you have a version somewhere with better lyrics, that version gets a 4.5 with a solid chance at a 5.0. :P
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Okay so 425 has take into account the live version and scored accordingly. Tyrias and Red, if you could, listen to the live version a few times and let me know if you would like to adjust your score or if you would like it to remain the same - but do let me know either way.
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Red listened to a live version. He said his rating improved from 3.0 to 4.0 after that. My only concern is Tyrias now. :P
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Wow... Tyrias had me all hot an bothered that I was going to improve this round, not drop down a spot. Need I remind everyone that I predicted that after the first two rounds, it's impossible to dig out of a hole. Nekov shit the bed with Tyrias; Scrop shit the bed with the other two judges... yet both are still leading the pack.
Not bitching, just pointing out how difficult/impossible it is to recover from a poor start.
Kade, I'm AMF'g with ya bro! Well, at least we won't need worry about female vocalists. Time for Costanza.
It's late, but I'll send within the next 24 hours because....
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Wow... Tyrias had me all hot an bothered that I was going to improve this round, not drop down a spot. Need I remind everyone that I predicted that after the first two rounds, it's impossible to dig out of a hole. Nekov shit the bed with Tyrias; Scrop shit the bed with the other two judges... yet both are still leading the pack.
Not bitching, just pointing out how difficult/impossible it is to recover from a poor start.
Kade, I'm AMF'g with ya bro! Well, at least we won't need worry about female vocalists. Time for Costanza.
It's late, but I'll send within the next 24 hours because....
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Chad, you're only 1.5 points behind Sacul. In a score out of ten roulette, that's equivalent to a half or a single point (0.6 of a point, to be precise). And you're only the equivalent of 1 point (or 1.2) from reaching Scrop/seneca who are tied in second place. You could easily make that up in two rounds if you send the right stuff. Nekov is really the only tough one to get infront of from your perspective.
I think the reason you haven't caught up thus far is more because of your state of mind, thinking that you can't possibly get anywhere, more than it's about the math.
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I'm trying not to be too snarky here... just being honest - and maybe this is the scotch's talking :lol
but....
Thanks for the pep-talk Dave, but ffs... I'm not Thomas the Train. :biggrin: A positive "I-think-I-can" attitude does not make all the difference. My 'state of mind' thought that the last song was going to be a nice blend of catering to Tyrias' tastes, while also somewhat appealing to the secondary judges. That 'state of mind' got a score that tied for 4/7. It wasn't my 'state of mind' that dropped me into 2nd last place.
Look, I'm not bitching... but there's a saying in my business - once is an event; twice is a coincidence; three times is a trend. This is clearly a trend. Sure, mathematically speaking, I'm not eliminated. Knowing and aligning (or lack thereof) to the tastes of the judges is a different matter. Kade and I (and the eliminated players) clearly couldn't find it. I'm ok with that.... I'm just stating the reality of the situation - not bitching. Can I please make that perfectly clear, since in prior roulettes, I've been perceived that way.
I'm not bitching, just stating facts.
I'm not going to intentionally tank, but I'll shart myself if I make it past these rounds next two rounds.
It's all good. Seriously.
P.S. Remember... three (triple) scotch's.
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Did we already get a link to the live version Evermine wantes us to listen to? If so, I missed it. I'm leaving to go skiing for the day in a few, but I'll try to listen to it in the evening and post my score changes (or if it stays the same).
Also, despite dropping a bit in ranking, I don't think his chances have gotten worse. He just needs one fuck-up from one of the other players or send one really good song, and he can get anywhere up to 2nd place. And first, but Nekov would really have to fuck up for that. It seems doable until round 9 though.
Also, I'd would bet totally funny if you made it to the next round after your last post. :lol
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If you have a version somewhere with better lyrics, that version gets a 4.5 with a solid chance at a 5.0. :P
Miraculous you call it, babe
You ain't seen nothing yet
I sent a glorious live version
You got the studio one instead
:neverusethis:
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Did we already get a link to the live version Evermine wantes us to listen to? If so, I missed it. I'm leaving to go skiing for the day in a few, but I'll try to listen to it in the evening and post my score changes (or if it stays the same).
No, we've established that I failed to give you the live version.
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Did we already get a link to the live version Evermine wantes us to listen to? If so, I missed it. I'm leaving to go skiing for the day in a few, but I'll try to listen to it in the evening and post my score changes (or if it stays the same).
No, we've established that I failed to give you the live version.
I was just wondering becase the others apparently listened to it.
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If you have a version somewhere with better lyrics, that version gets a 4.5 with a solid chance at a 5.0. :P
Miraculous you call it, babe
You ain't seen nothing yet
I sent a glorious live version
You got the studio one instead
:neverusethis:
The first couple of lines are actually pretty cool. Beyond that...
I was just wondering becase the others apparently listened to it.
The version I listened to was the only live version on Spotify, the one from the live album In the Flesh.
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That's the one.
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Whoa, didn't think I'd place as well with Tyrias given that he didn't like my song all that much initially, but I'll take it.
Will send sometime today or maybe tomorrow, I'm still deciding between a couple of songs.
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I'm trying not to be too snarky here... just being honest - and maybe this is the scotch's talking :lol
but....
Thanks for the pep-talk Dave, but ffs... I'm not Thomas the Train. :biggrin: A positive "I-think-I-can" attitude does not make all the difference. My 'state of mind' thought that the last song was going to be a nice blend of catering to Tyrias' tastes, while also somewhat appealing to the secondary judges. That 'state of mind' got a score that tied for 4/7. It wasn't my 'state of mind' that dropped me into 2nd last place.
Look, I'm not bitching... but there's a saying in my business - once is an event; twice is a coincidence; three times is a trend. This is clearly a trend. Sure, mathematically speaking, I'm not eliminated. Knowing and aligning (or lack thereof) to the tastes of the judges is a different matter. Kade and I (and the eliminated players) clearly couldn't find it. I'm ok with that.... I'm just stating the reality of the situation - not bitching. Can I please make that perfectly clear, since in prior roulettes, I've been perceived that way.
I'm not bitching, just stating facts.
I'm not going to intentionally tank, but I'll shart myself if I make it past these rounds next two rounds.
It's all good. Seriously.
P.S. Remember... three (triple) scotch's.
Yeah, my tastes clearly aren't a match for the judges either. I thought Fates Warning might have scratched their itch a little more, but again a miss. Anyway, I'll send something decent, and it looks like I'm toast but I'll see. I thought about tanking too sending some Behemoth or something, but I'll send something legit.
Anyway, that's the way it goes, carry on. Looking for something to send now. Basically Chad and I need to blitz both rounds and a few others to bomb both, but it still probably won't save me.
I think the reason you haven't caught up thus far is more because of your state of mind, thinking that you can't possibly get anywhere, more than it's about the math.
Sorry Dave, but this really makes no sense in regards to the situation. I was positive with Fates Warning too. It was the first round I actually tried to align some tastes and put some real effort and thought into it, and it pretty much got me eliminated. I ain't mad either bro.
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I agree Fates Warning would seem like one of the safest things you can send in these, don't know a ton about judges tastes but it's usually pretty hard to go wrong with Ray Alder.
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Sorry Dave, but this really makes no sense in regards to the situation. I was positive with Fates Warning too. It was the first round I actually tried to align some tastes and put some real effort and thought into it, and it pretty much got me eliminated. I ain't mad either bro.
I will admit that was a stupid thing to say. But I do think jingle.chad is blowing out of proportion how far behind he is and how little of a chance he has. He's like 3 points from being at the top under Nekov in a game where the score is 25 each round, he's only 1.5 points away from being above Sacul, and there's two more rounds before eliminations. He could easily avoid elimination and even climb the ranks with the next 50 points, it's a tiny difference in score and not some almost insurmountable challenge as he appears to be implying.
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It's all good mate, time will tell.
Sent my song too. Went back to the no thought whatsoever strategy. Need some people to seriously fuck up :lol
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Well, I completely misjudged the target for that song but since I'm still in the lead it's all good.
@bolsters: Could you please stop mentioning my name and position in this roulette? Are you trying to jinx me or something? Which of the other participants is putting you up to this? I can offer you more money than them ;)
@wolfking: That avatar change is soooo confusing :lol
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@bolsters: Could you please stop mentioning my name and position in this roulette? Are you trying to jinx me or something? Which of the other participants is putting you up to this? I can offer you more money than them ;)
What's it worth to you then? Let the bidding commence. :D
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As you say, it really does work better in the context of the album, and I guess I see where you're coming from with the length. Glad that you still liked it. If you want to have a listen, check out https://fanticide.bandcamp.com/album/the-fall-of-grace.
I knew I recognized this band name! Cagey play. I just might submit something by a forum member next round.
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Alright, so now I'm at home, here goes:
425, I actually dislike Roger Waters too, but this song is so fabulous even lyrics can't stop me from loving it. And you say the first couple of lines are actually pretty cool, yet you complain about name-dropping Pepsi and McDonalds which happens in the very first couple of lines. :lol The passage about Lloyd-Webber though... yeah. I recall someone on YouTube called this "a subtle dig". Hahaha.
Kade, I don't know what's up with the judges - because I keep getting somewhat good scores, so they're not that hopeless - but this Fates Warning song deserves much better scores. 8 + 3 + 3 isn't even funny.
With the theme for Round 7 in place I guess I'll have to change the order I was going to send my songs in. Which means, 425 gets hard rock / power metal 10-minutes long epic; Mr. Red gets very chill male/female-fronted ballad with piano, acoustic guitar and sax; Tyrias gets epic progressive metal with female vocals (if I survive, that is).
Before I send my song I want to see my updated score though. :biggrin:
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Yeah, my tastes clearly aren't a match for the judges either. I thought Fates Warning might have scratched their itch a little more, but again a miss. Anyway, I'll send something decent, and it looks like I'm toast but I'll see. I thought about tanking too sending some Behemoth or something, but I'll send something legit.
You had two hits with me out of four submissions so far. I really liked Nightingale, and I really liked Evergrey.
I'm not saying you're not in a disadvantageous position with regard to the scoring, but there is somewhere where your tastes and mine match.
And for what it's worth, Parama almost won my solo roulette, and then proceeded to totally bomb with me here, so even having what seems like more similar taste than you and I have is no guarantee.
425, I actually dislike Roger Waters too, but this song is so fabulous even lyrics can't stop me from loving it. And you say the first couple of lines are actually pretty cool, yet you complain about name-dropping Pepsi and McDonalds which happens in the very first couple of lines. :lol The passage about Lloyd-Webber though... yeah. I recall someone on YouTube called this "a subtle dig". Hahaha.
:lol By the first couple of lines, I meant literally
Miraculous you call it, babe
You ain't seen nothing yet
And then rapidly downhill from there. Into Pepsi. And McDonald's.
I've actually spent rather a lot of time the past couple of days thinking about how confused and frustrated I am by how much I simultaneously love this song's music and hate its lyrics, so you'll get no disagreements from me that, musically, it's fabulous! :lol
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Sorry Evermind, no score update today. I had a skiing accident where someone else might have been hurt (don't know yet, unless they contact me) and I need to write a memory report in case I need my insurance to covee expenses. So probably tomorrow, I'm not in the mood to enjoy a song right now.
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Sorry Evermind, no score update today. I had a skiing accident where someone else might have been hurt (don't know yet, unless they contact me) and I need to write a memory report in case I need my insurance to covee expenses. So probably tomorrow, I'm not in the mood to enjoy a song right now.
No worries man, it's nothing urgent anyway. Real life first, especially in cases like this. No need to apologize too.
I'm sending my song then! Not sure if I will have the time for it on the weekend, so better send it now than to be 425.
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You send late just three or four times and all of a sudden it's like Elite never even existed.
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You send late just three or four times and all of a sudden it's like Elite never even existed.
Elite isn't judging this roulette so I decided to be relevant. :lol
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I sent something completely different from what I've been doing so far. Something I really dig, but don't have much experience sending in roulettes.
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I sent something completely different from what I've been doing so far.
Went the same route. I think this round might be the one where I lose the lead
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Ugh I'm between two songs, and dunno which one to send :dangerwillrobinson:
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All but two are in thus far.
Edit: Everyone is now in. :corn
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I'm amazed at the speed people are submitting, normally you have one guy that takes forever.
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Regarding any point changes to It's A Miracle by Roger Waters:
There were some parts I liked more in the live version, some parts I liked less. I missed the eerie "miracle, miracle" chant at the end of the song. Also, I felt Roger Water's vocals were slightly more varied in the studio version, they seemed a bit less expressive in the live version. On the positive side we have the intro, which feels more alive and breathing in the live version. The background choirs that appear at times also have more of an emotional impact. The biggest plus for the live version is the outro, though. The guitar solo and the choirs just seem so huge and alive, especially compared to the studio version.
In total, I like the live version a bit more and I'd give it a solid 12. Can you change that in the scoreboard for Round 4, Bolsters?
I'll probably start listening to the next round tomorrow, but some of the comments in the thread and via pm have me intrigued.
Also, I relistened to all the songs where I listened to a different version than the one that was sent, but it didn't change my score for any of them
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Great! So the guy I need to catch just got a post-round bonus and I'm either further behind. I scored 5th out of 7 this round - the two people I scored higher than - Nekov and Wolfking - are the two people I didn't need to out-perform. :fistpump:
P.S. Is the sarcasm thick enough? ;D
I must reiterate, I'm not bitching... just being realistic and honest about the situation and my chances (slim to none) of advancing.
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Usually those are reserved for whiners. Guess I'm not getting the point across that I'm not whining or bitching.
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In total, I like the live version a bit more and I'd give it a solid 12. Can you change that in the scoreboard for Round 4, Bolsters?
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Scorp and Seneca, thank you for keeping my second place warm, now kindly move aside. :biggrin:
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Since you'll be furious at me anyway after this round, why not.
:P
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Usually those are reserved for whiners. Guess I'm not getting the point across that I'm not whining or bitching.
I know, I'm just messing with you Chad :smiley:
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Regarding any point changes to It's A Miracle by Roger Waters:
In total, I like the live version a bit more and I'd give it a solid 12. Can you change that in the scoreboard for Round 4, Bolsters?
Done.
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WTF? Can I send a live version of the FW song and hope to get a better score?
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No, the issue was that Evermind sent Bolsters the live version at the start, but Bolsters passed along the studio version to us judges. We're correcting for a mistake, not granting Evermind a second chance to garner more points.
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You are free to send live versions though, if you think we will like them more.
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Can I send a 36-min song next round? :P
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Can I send a 36-min song next round? :P
I'd rather you don't :P
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light of day day of darkness for next round
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Can I send a 36-min song next round? :P
I'd rather you don't :P
But what if you fucking love it? :P
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Can I send a 36-min song next round? :P
I'd rather you don't :P
But what if you fucking love it? :P
Well, I probably won't have the time to digest it in a roulette scenario
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:'(
Well if I pass to the next tier I'll definitely send it since we'd only be 5 players :P
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There's a 15 minute time limit until round 7 anyway
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Just listened for the first time. I don't think I've ever had a more positive first impression of a roulette round. First impressions are far from everything, but I just wanted to say that on the first run, I'm really positive and excited about this round.
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My first impression is relatively positive as well. I'm stuck in a broken train right now, so I have enough time to listen to the songs.
Also, I have a bit of a suspicion that Scorpion just totally cockblocked Evermind's planned Round 7 song. I don’t know for sure though.
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Song, probably not. Band, yeah probably.
:P
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Just listened for the first time. I don't think I've ever had a more positive first impression of a roulette round. First impressions are far from everything, but I just wanted to say that on the first run, I'm really positive and excited about this round.
Crap, I was expecting the others to fuck up :P
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It's not like I've got only one band to send for Round 7. *shrug*
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I'm trying not to think of round 7 yet, that's gonna be a hard one.
Glad to hear the first impressions overall are good, just hope that remains over the upcoming listents.
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I think my song can only grow with the subsequent listens, so I guess I'm fine this round. I mean, I may be wrong, but everyone I know who heard that song appreciated it more and more with each listen. I'm fairly sure 425 will like it a lot, and I have no idea about the other two judges, but well, we'll see.
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3 listens in, and I have to agree this is a very strong round overall. There's one big dud though that fails to do anything for me as of now. Everything elsr ranges from pretty good to awesome.
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There's one big dud though that fails to do anything for me as of now.
:o
Edit: New additions to the banned list:
Avantasia
Beyond The Bridge
Faunts
Flaming Row
James Blake
Lord Huron
Pyramaze
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Um, no, I didn't plan sending any of these for Round 7.
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:lol
Well I did, and I'm afraid I might be the one who sent the big dud for Tyrias..
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Well, you'll find out tomorrow evening probably ;).
Also, "the big dud" grew on me a bit on my fourth listen, but there are still some problems with it that put it quite a bit below anything else this round.
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Damn... there is something in there I was seriously considering for the next round.
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I'm interested to see what Tyrias thinks is a dud, because I don't think there are any of those here.
I suppose the consequence of everybody doing well by the main judge (me) is that it suddenly become much more important what the other two judges think.
I will hopefully post writeups today. If not today, then tomorrow. If not today nor yet tomorrow then some other day.
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Damn... there is something in there I was seriously considering for the next round.
I never pegged you as a James Blake fan :smiley:
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So, I really can't state strongly enough how much I loved this round. I suppose that might be bad news to some of you who were hoping to make up some ground... Sorry, but everybody did so well by me. You'll have to hope that the song that Tyrias doesn't like came from someone you need to beat, and that the Red Judge also hates the songs of the people you need to make up ground on.
In fact, I just need to say so: I'm really happy that on my hosted round, everybody hit so close to the mark. It's good to be understood to a pretty good extent and to get a lot of stuff that I'm reacting pretty strongly and positively to. That said, there is not a perfect score this round. This was more of a round where everything had me nodding along, saying "this is pretty awesome, I definitely want to check this artist out" than one where any one particular song blew me away. For that reason, what this round actually is in terms of scoring, is a lot of very good scores. So, Paula is back, everyone is pretty bunched up together, and the result of this is that I'm leaving a lot for Tyrias and the Red Judge to sort out.
I also realized this round that I don't really know off the top of my head what the standings are, because Bolsters in charge of all that stuff. This is an advantage for me because I don't really even know in my head what each person needs. I know general who I think is ahead and who is behind, but I don't have any idea what any spreads are. What that means is that I can focus completely on giving the score I think each song deserves, let the other two judges do the same, and then be surprised when I look at the standings. And then promptly forget the finer details of the standings by the time I'm listening to the next round.
Also, yay, I'm finally the first judge to post! This is definitely the last time this will happen.
Enough of me ranting now. Here are some writeups.
Evermind: Avantasia - Savior in the Clockwork
Okay, so Evermind sends the longest song of the roulette so far… which has many different vocalists. Of course.
This is a really awesome epic song. There’s some really good epic metal instrumentation, and of course some great big melodies. I like the choral stuff on the chorus quite a bit.
I’m sure there’s a difference between all the different singers that I could identify if I was trying to pick it out. I can discern some of the differences, but a lot of them it’s hard to tell, because most of them are kind of the stereotypical power metal singers. Nothing against any of them at all, the vocals on this song are good. I just want to be clear about why I’m not going to comment on each individual singer, and am just saying, basically, “vocals = good.”
Obviously, this being an almost-11-minute track, there are numerous different sections. And this is one of those epics that feels meaty and long, while flowing pretty natural from one part to another. There are some awesome loud, anthemic parts, and some nice soft verses. Some good soft guitar work at least one epic little solo. Essentially, this song has everything and the kitchen sink in terms of good prog metal.
The best part is the building section at around 8:30-9:00. There’s a lot of nice mounting tension there, and then when the chorus absolutely explodes out at around 9:20, it’s an awesome moment. The double bass is a nice touch on that chorus as well.
This is a song that I imagine I will get even more out of on future listens. What I’ve gotten out of it already is that it’s pretty awesome, and it manages to throw in a lot of different and good parts while feeling like one cohesive unit, held together by a great chorus.
jingle.boy: Flaming Row - Rage of Despair
Another metal song here. Everyone seems to have gotten the pattern that I like metal pretty well, but there’s always a danger of something edging into a little too heavy territory for me. It’s hard to quantify, but it can happen and can be a slight detriment. The riff at the beginning of this song edges on that territory. It’s not a big detriment because it’s a brief part, but it’s a good thing to know for the future.
This is one of those rock operas where there are a lot of different singers, which I always think is pretty cool. I like the multi-part harmonies we hear in this song, and the female sung part and that big chorus are really awesome. The instrumentation is pretty good, too. There’s a lot of cool proggy stuff in the instrumental section. Again, there are some parts that are a bit heavy for me, but the instrumentation as a whole is pretty epic. I could definitely tell that this is a climactic moment in the concept.
I was quite frankly not too crazy about the growler at the outset. Something about his style of growling just isn’t my favorite. I tend to prefer lower, thicker growls, like most of what Ĺkerfeldt goes. Higher, “snappier” growls are hit or miss with me. After a few listens, I’m more or less used to this guy, and he wouldn’t dissuade me from checking out this album because there are clearly so many other singers here, but he’s definitely my least favorite part of the song. Still, on balance, this song has a lot of really awesome parts, so it gets a big thumbs up from me.
Nekov: Faunts - Feel.Love.Thinking.Of
Here is one of several songs this round that has an atmosphere that I just love. This is the type of electronic music that I like quite a bit, and here it’s accompanied by a really good singer whose voice I enjoy. The instrumentation is a bit busy, but they somehow just make it work to perfection, so I have no complaints there.
The chorus here is a huge selling point for me. It’s a really good chorus, emotionally powerful and just really, really cool. It feels like the song just runs through this chorus picking up a ton of musical momentum. I like it a lot for that.
This is one of those songs where it’s a short song, and I don’t have a lot to say about it in my writeup for whatever reason, but I like it a whole lot. So I'll just leave it at that.
Sacul: Lord Huron - Ends of the Earth
The best rule when listening to Sacul roulette submissions is to expect the unexpected. I would not have pinned a song like this as a Sacul submission, but it’s a really good song that just reminds me how crazy diverse our friend Sacul's musical taste is.
So this song is a really beautiful, folky song. The big thing here is that the vocal melodies are really awesome. The lyrics have a lot of emotional power and the singer totally expresses that in his singing. I really appreciate that. I also like the slight echoing effect on his voice, that really contributes to the vibe created here. I also like the folky vibe we have here, but the way that that vibe is combined with some elements of the sound that you wouldn’t normally expect in a folk rock song.
Like a few other songs this round, I really like the atmosphere here. It just really feels… wide open, and hopeful. That combined with the music and lyrics actually make this a pretty emotional song for me. So you could say that I like this one a lot.
Scorpion: Beyond the Bridge - Doorway to Salvation
This is another instance, where, as I mentioned in my writeup for Jingle’s song, the metal riff edges on being a bit too heavy for what I prefer. The riff that begins this song is a little much for my usual tastes, but that’s something I can abide if the rest of the song is good. Which it is.
I got the finale from this concept album in my roulette, and much to Evermind’s chagrin, I was slightly underwhelmed by it, though I enjoyed it. While I’m not going to compare the two songs here, I think that this song was similarly a very good song, but not the perfect ten that some people want me to make it. Which could just be a function of not having the full-album experience, since this seems to be one that benefits from having that full experience.
I very much enjoy the interplay between the male and female vocalists. She has some good parts in her verses, and then does well at backing him up in that big epic chorus (anybody notice yet that I like choruses that I can describe as “big”?), and then taking the lead on it later in the song. Am I wrong in saying that the theme of this chorus is partially reprised in All A Man Can Do, but with different lyrics? Anyway, the instrumental section here is fun and proggy. The first part isn’t extraordinary, but I like the keyboard parts.
I definitely am going to get this album. I suspect that I’ll like it better as a full experience, and I already like this song quite a bit, though not unreservedly (don’t really love the opening riff, is the main thing).
senecadawg2: James Blake - Overgrown
This is a really great song. I’m always looking for music with this type of atmosphere, so I’m happy whenever I get something like this (I would say that I love the atmosphere of the Pure Reason Revolution song in a similar way).
I’ve been very clear all along that music with electronic elements is very hit-or-miss with me. This is the type of electronic music that is a very big hit. I really love the way it sounds like his voice is drowning in a sea of sound. The lush, echoing synth sounds just create an awesome atmosphere that perfectly fits with the beautiful vocals crooning “everything’s overgrown.” This song just has a beautiful atmosphere, just the type of atmosphere that I love, and there’s a great marriage of music and lyrics.
The one misgiving I have is that there’s a part near the end where things get a little dissonant (if that’s the right word), and it’s a little distressing for a moment there. I would prefer if that part wasn’t there, but it only greatly bothered me on first listen—on subsequent listens, it was more of a mildly off-putting moment.
wolfking: Pyramaze - Back for More
Yet again, wolfking sends a melodic metal anthem, and, yet again, I like it quite a bit. From the very start, this song has a lot of energy and a nice keyboard hook. There are a lot of memorable vocal melodies in the verses as well as in that huge anthemic chorus, and the singer has a pretty solid emotional range. The prechorus is an especially strong part of this song. The instrumental section is decent, and then the part where most of the instrumentation briefly drops out going into the last chorus is a good moment.
If you can’t tell by now, I like songs like this a fair bit. I like the combination of heavy guitars and melodic keyboard and guitar work, and the big, anthemic vocal melodies. Rarely will a song like this be my pick for my very favorite of the round, but I really do enjoy pieces like this and if there are enough memorable parts, they will score well with me. This one definitely meets that threshhold.
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The best rule when listening to Sacul roulette submissions is to expect the unexpected. I would not have pinned a song like this as a Sacul submission, but it’s a really good song that just reminds me how crazy diverse our friend Sacul's musical taste is.
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Yup, knew you'd love this track - thanks Bizkit for showing it to me. Now I hope it's not Tyrias' dud :lol
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Damn, first time in this where I'm not first with results. Anyway, since I already have some pretty solid opinions on the songs, I read through 425's write-ups. Interestingly, many times the things I loved were written as criticisms, and my main problem with my dud wasn’t even mentioned :P. You can expect my write-ups in about 24 hours, I'm still unsure if some songs might actually be worth a 5.
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You're not wrong, Doorway to Salvation is reprised in the very end of All a Man Can Do.
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Rage of Despair probably has more growls in that one song than there is on the entire rest of the album... so don't let that be a deterrent for you.
Elinoire and Old Man and the Spirit are two of my favourite modern concept albums. The two are practically flawless. Both finished in the Top 5 of my Top 50 v2.
Some nice choices that round.
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If you can’t tell by now, I like songs like this a fair bit. I like the combination of heavy guitars and melodic keyboard and guitar work, and the big, anthemic vocal melodies. Rarely will a song like this be my pick for my very favorite of the round, but I really do enjoy pieces like this and if there are enough memorable parts, they will score well with me. This one definitely meets that threshhold.
Fuck, a glimmer of hope. :lol
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If you can’t tell by now, I like songs like this a fair bit. I like the combination of heavy guitars and melodic keyboard and guitar work, and the big, anthemic vocal melodies. Rarely will a song like this be my pick for my very favorite of the round, but I really do enjoy pieces like this and if there are enough memorable parts, they will score well with me. This one definitely meets that threshhold.
Fuck, a glimmer of hope. :lol
You, my friend, need much more than a "glimmer". You need a 'bat-signal' beacon of hope. :lol
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Yeah, I want to temper any expectations right now... what you are looking at from me is much more in the "glimmer" category than the "bat-signal" category. Emphasis on "Rarely will a song like this be my pick for my very favorite of the round"—this should be read "this is not one of my very favorites of the round."
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Yeah, I want to temper any expectations right now... what you are looking at from me is much more in the "glimmer" category than the "bat-signal" category. Emphasis on "Rarely will a song like this be my pick for my very favorite of the round"—this should be read "this is not one of my very favorites of the round."
Oh shit, not really how I read that then. My lack of attention skills at it again. :lol
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I was probably too vague... I know what I intended that sentence to hint at, but I think it could be read a couple of ways.
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I tried a new approach for write-ups this round. I just listened to the songs and wrote whatever came to my mind, completely unstructured and without deleting anything (unless it was just so grammatically messed up it made no sense. And the big dud I was talking about? Well, turns out it just needed a few more listens to grow on me and is actually quite a good song (actually pretty excellent). So, my lowest score this round is a 4 (and the dud was originally a 2), so this was definitely the strongest round of the roulette so far. Unfortunately this also means that there’s not that much of an opportunity to catch up for the people further back in the scoreboard.
wolfking Pyramaze - Back For More
You should stop thinking about your submissions, because this is definitely a lot better than your song last round. It has really good riffs, nice melodies, an amazing chorus. It’s just powaahh all the way through, and it absolutely excels at doing that. Yeah, I can’t really say much else about this song, because it’s fairly simple, but I think this is your best submission yet. It’s a pretty average song for this round in score, but that only shows how strong this round was overall.
jingle.boy Flaming Row - Rage of Dispair
This takes everything about Prog Metal that I love and does it splendidly. While the growls are nothing special in itself, they fit amazingly well here, especially with the contrast of the female vocals. This is also the heaviest song this round, has some really nice, chunky riffs and some amazing solos. It’s epic, its loud, it’s still really melodic, and I enjoy the hell out of it. This is your best song yet, I love the epic chorus, good job.
senecadawg2 James Blake – Overgrown
It took a bit for me to get used to his voice, but I think I fell in love with it. Everything about this song is great. I love the quiet, laid-back vocals, the subtle electronics in the background, the piano/keyboard notes that appear from time to time. As strong as the first half is, I feel the second half with his main vocals in the background, with some weird effect over them, is even stronger. Love the strings that appear here. I don’t have much else to say about this, except that I’ve been wanting to check out James Blake for quite some time now and I’m glad you sent me this song, because I definitely will check him out further after how awesome this was.
Evermind Avantasia - Savior in the Clockwork
I really love the orchestral beginning in this. I feel the guitars could have a bit more punch when it suddenly gets louder, but that’s a really minor criticism. This song is nothing but great parts, and they flow well together. I do feel it would have benefitted from being a bit shorter, because I start to lose interest for a few seconds here and there in the second part of the song. My favourite thing about this is probably the chorus, I’ve had it stuck in my head when I woke up today, because it’s just so catchy and epic. Also, even though this has like 4 different singers, I really wouldn’t have noticed if you hadn’t told me. Why do you even go for more than one singer if all of them sound the same anyway? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have singers that actually sound different, or just have one (you know, less wages to pay)? That’s not really a criticism of the song, because I still think it’s great, more of a general remark.
Also, I’m not sure why you said this wouldn’t score to well with me or Mr. Red, but the bands that got me into music are Nightwish, Kamelot and Dream Theater, so that’s actually really more in favor of this style of music. Still, this in one of the weaker songs this round. It won’t really reflect in my score very much because everything is so close together and pretty much everything was awesome (except for that one song), but I just wanted to have it said.
Sacul Lord Huron - Ends of the Earth
This wins the award for strongest atmosphere. It feels so wide, so vast. It makes me want to go somewhere far, far way and just travel and spend a nice evening in a tent somewhere in the mountains or in the desert and just watch the sun set and be calm and happy. That little melody, I think it’s some kind of string instruments, is just absolutely amazing and happiness and joyfulness made into music. Everything about this song is just so fantastic, oh my gosh. I love the chill percussion, the violin that appears at times. I have no idea if this high pitched sound behind the vast string melody is a voice or some kind of instruments, but it sounds amazing. Soooooo atmospheric.
I think we have the second perfect score of the roulette here, and you’ve now sent the best song for my tastes 3 rounds in a row, congratulations on that. I’d follow this singer to the ends of the world, if he asked me like that.
And that vast string melody. Amazing.
Nekov Faunts - Feel.Love.Thinking.Of
This is the shortest song of the round, but it excels in it’s shortness. I love the hectic drumming contrasted by the calm voice and keyboard atmospheres. It’s really weird how a song with this kind of hectic, electronic drumming can still be so good in terms of atmosphere. I’m pretty sure it’s his voice that makes it so good.
Scorpion Beyond The Bridge - Doorway To Salvation
I quite like the heavy intro in this, felt like it could have led into something awesome. Then it just stops and it feels like the whole song starts anew and the part before it was really unimportant and just there for randomness. I mean, there’s lots of parts I really like here, but the transitions between are just often so awkward that I can’t really love this song as much as I would like to. Also, there are lots of parts where it builds up to something awesome and then just leaves you hanging, and unfortunately not in a good way. So sorry, this is the dud I was talking about earlier. It’s not as bad as it used to be though. I would still say I quite like this song, it has pretty good vocal harmonies, solos, riffs and some epic moments. Maybe the awkward transitions make more sense in the context of the album. Without these awkward parts, this could have been a perfect score, even though I needed some time to realize that I loved most of the song. It’s still strong, but one of the weaker songs this round.
Also, just because both of my perfect scores have been rather folky in nature doesn’t mean you should all send folk for Round 7, you can totally score amazingly high with most other genres as well. ;)
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I really love the orchestral beginning in this. I feel the guitars could have a bit more punch when it suddenly gets louder, but that’s a really minor criticism. This song is nothing but great parts, and they flow well together. I do feel it would have benefitted from being a bit shorter, because I start to lose interest for a few seconds here and there in the second part of the song. My favourite thing about this is probably the chorus, I’ve had it stuck in my head when I woke up today, because it’s just so catchy and epic. Also, even though this has like 4 different singers, I really wouldn’t have noticed if you hadn’t told me. Why do you even go for more than one singer if all of them sound the same anyway? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have singers that actually sound different, or just have one (you know, less wages to pay)? That’s not really a criticism of the song, because I still think it’s great, more of a general remark.
Also, I’m not sure why you said this wouldn’t score to well with me or Mr. Red, but the bands that got me into music are Nightwish, Kamelot and Dream Theater, so that’s actually really more in favor of this style of music. Still, this in one of the weaker songs this round. It won’t really reflect in my score very much because everything is so close together and pretty much everything was awesome (except for that one song), but I just wanted to have it said.
Alright, I want to address this because both you and 425 said this and you said it much more intently... so this ticked something off I guess. The singers on this song don't "sound the same anyway". In fact every singer sounds quite distinctive. Byford has this rough trademark delivery, Kiske has this pristine, clear singing with the obvious accent of his, Sammet is unmistakable there too, Turner is obvious on the first verse (you could mistake his with Byford if you're not into the genre, but that's about it). They don't sound alike except that one small bit. You guys make it sound like you want Akerfeldt growling, Roy Khan doing the deep, low and soulful vocals, Peter Nicholis singing progressive rock, James Hetfield going all "aaah, yeah", Durga McBroom doing the back-vocals and Floor Jansen belting out her operatic vocal style on one song. I dunno, it's probably something to do with me, but no, they are distinctive. They don't sound alike at all.
If Tobias Sammet (one of the vocalists here who is also the mastermind behind the project, who writes all the melodies and lyrics) sang this song alone, it would've sucked big time for me.
Rant over.
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Wait, so which song did seneca send, Retrogade or Overgrown? You and 425 both list them differently :lol
Anyway Retrogade is fantastic, I really hope it becomes the new Bird of Sorrow though I doubt it'll do as good.
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Yeah; I'm kind of confused as well right now. Bolsters shared a Spotify-playlist with us that has Overgrown in it, but in the PM he sent us afterwards it apparently says Retrograde? :huh: I only skimmed the PM so far but copied it into my word document to use as a title for the write-ups, and never paid attention to it. I listened to Overgrown, so I'll correct that in my write-up. If seneca actually sent Retrograde, I guess I'll have to do a relisten :lol.
@ Evermind: I mean, yes, when you know there are different singers you can tell them apart obviously. But if I hadn't known, I probably would have thought it was just one singer who's just really accomplished at Power Metal singing and can vary his voice a bit so he doesn't sound exactly the same all the time.
For example, Jingle-Boy's song had this really different singers that added something extra to the song, and it's absolutely obvious because there's a man, a woman and a growler at least. But in your song, it could have just been one, albeit very versatile and skilled, singer.
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I know that Chad's song had the very distinguishable singers, I know this album and it's great. ;) But it doesn't have to be a man, a woman and a growler to be obvious. You just need to be a bit familiar with the genre and pay attention. Speaking of that, 425 wasn't able to distinguish male vocals from female in his roulette in one of the songs I've sent... so I was clearly off the mark sending the song with different vocalists, and all male non-growlers to boot. :lol
I mean, yeah, well, you think it could have been one singer; I vehemently disagree. I think the small nuances every singer in my song adds to the vocal delivery make this song so awesome. This song wouldn't have worked without any of them except maybe JLT. I know you think otherwise. It's fine and let's leave it at that.
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Hell yeah, now I only hope Mr Red loves it too :metal
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I just read through all the writeups and I still don't know which was the dud :P
Also, I'm glad you liked that song, I wasn't sure you would
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It's Scorpion's song :P
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@Evermind:
I'm not saying that all the singers sound exactly the same. I could definitely tell that there was a difference in styles—one had a pretty strong accent, some had a softer voices versus rougher voices. If I had no idea it was multiple singers, I would still probably guess that it was on account of the accent that the one had. But if you told me it was one singer, yeah, I would probably believe you, and just kind of wonder why that guy inflected a particular accent sometimes.
I think some of your complaint might be meant for Tyrias, but let me be completely clear: The fact that I couldn't clearly distinguish all four singers did not factor into my score or how well I liked the song at all. I thought all the vocals on the song were good, and said as much. Me saying that they all are fairly similar stylistically was a) a comment on my thoughts about the song and b) an explanation for why I wasn't going to go down the line and say "this one was my favorite, this was my least favorite, etc."
I mean, yeah, well, you think it could have been one singer; I vehemently disagree. I think the small nuances every singer in my song adds to the vocal delivery make this song so awesome. This song wouldn't have worked without any of them except maybe JLT. I know you think otherwise. It's fine and let's leave it at that.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but I feel like, having not heard the whole album, I'm not really poised personally to judge this either way. I'm inclined to believe that you're correct, though.
Speaking of that, 425 wasn't able to distinguish male vocals from female in his roulette in one of the songs I've sent... so I was clearly off the mark sending the song with different vocalists, and all male non-growlers to boot. :lol
:rollin I almost forgot about that! :facepalm:
You were not off the mark by me at all. The multiple vocalist aspects did not significantly add to the song for me (nor did it detract in any way), but that does not mean that I didn't really like this song. I think you'll lose whatever sense of exasperation you have towards me when the scores come out.
Note also that the only vocalist this round who detracted from the song even in the most minor way for me was actually the growler in jingle's song (by the way, @Chad: good to hear that there aren't too many growls on the album as a whole—I will definitely being checking it out :tup )
Greater diversity in vocalists also means a greater risk that I'll like some and not like others.
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I just read through all the writeups and I still don't know which was the dud :P
Also, I'm glad you liked that song, I wasn't sure you would
I spelled it out pretty clearly though :P. In retrospect, it was more of a "late bloomer" than a dud. It was just really underwhleming in my first 2-3 listens, but grew immensely after that.
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Fantastic! Two down one to go.
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Speaking of that, 425 wasn't able to distinguish male vocals from female in his roulette in one of the songs I've sent... so I was clearly off the mark sending the song with different vocalists, and all male non-growlers to boot. :lol
:rollin I almost forgot about that! :facepalm:
You were not off the mark by me at all. The multiple vocalist aspects did not significantly add to the song for me (nor did it detract in any way), but that does not mean that I didn't really like this song. I think you'll lose whatever sense of exasperation you have towards me when the scores come out.
Well, I was just teasing you about that here.
I wasn't getting at you or even at Tyrias, if you guys thought the vocalists were sounding the same, fine, it's your opinion and it's alright. But well, it's just that comment about "why would you even hire the four singers to perform if all of them sound the same anyway" set me off. They don't sound the same. Not for me they don't. Tobias knew what he was doing here, and this album features some very unexpected yet incredibly satisfying singer choices for Avantasia. That's why I'm in love with this album, that's why it made my Top 50.
Sorry, I just was upset by this comment (despite apparently getting somewhat high score) and I overreacted a bit. I tend to get like that when it comes to my favourite music.
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I understand being a bit defensive about stuff like that. I'll freely acknowledge that I'm no expert in distinguishing singers... :tup
And I still find it absolutely hilarious that I couldn't tell the difference between a man and a woman.
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Yeah; I'm kind of confused as well right now. Bolsters shared a Spotify-playlist with us that has Overgrown in it, but in the PM he sent us afterwards it apparently says Retrograde? :huh: I only skimmed the PM so far but copied it into my word document to use as a title for the write-ups, and never paid attention to it. I listened to Overgrown, so I'll correct that in my write-up. If seneca actually sent Retrograde, I guess I'll have to do a relisten :lol.
Sorry for the double post, but I'm somewhat concerned about this as well. I listened to Overgrown, too, since that's what was on the playlist. Bolsters, can you shed some light here?
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God fucking dammit.
Get a taste in music, people. :P
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Failure Swift pt. 2: The Curious Case of James Blake
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Mr. Red has been delayed:
Tyrias and 425 are making me look bad. I've only done two listenings so far!!! I'll try to have write-ups tomorrow, but I can't guarantee it... Life has really gotten extremely busy for me the last 4-5 days or so. I will do my best. I will have writeups by Friday for sure.
Sorry for the double post, but I'm somewhat concerned about this as well. I listened to Overgrown, too, since that's what was on the playlist. Bolsters, can you shed some light here?
I've already deleted the original PMs to make room in my inbox, seneca is going to have to confirm which song you were supposed to listen to. Hopefully it is Overgrown because it's starting to piss me off how much I am fucking everything up these last couple of weeks.
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Well wouldn't that be interesting if 2 different songs were evaluated.
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I'll second Ruslan's wtf/head scratcher thoughts on the comments of similarities between vocalists in Saviour in the Clockwork. Sammet/Kiske/Byford/Turner are all very different vocalists (I could maybe understand not being able to distinguish JLT and Kiske), but it's pretty easy to distinguish them apart from Tobi and Bill.
And for the record, Rage of Despair has 2 growl vocalists; 3 clean male vocalists; 3 female vocalists. When you really listen to the singing - and follow the lyrics - I find it pretty noticeable to here the differences.
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Saving this from page 2.
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Are there any news from Mr. Red? At this point I'm less worried about the results and more worried about him. I know he said he'd been extremely busy so I hope he's OK
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My last correspondence with him was less than 24 hours ago, he should be done any time now.
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I'll second Ruslan's wtf/head scratcher thoughts on the comments of similarities between vocalists in Saviour in the Clockwork. Sammet/Kiske/Byford/Turner are all very different vocalists (I could maybe understand not being able to distinguish JLT and Kiske), but it's pretty easy to distinguish them apart from Tobi and Bill.
I'll third this too.
If Tobi thought the singers sounded the same and one person could have sung it, it would have been Edguy.
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I'll have my updated write-up for senecas song up tomorrow probably. Turns out we did listen to the wrong song after all. :lol
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Wait... I don't understand what happened ???
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Apparrently Failure Swift here sent a different song to the judges than you sent him, so revised scores coming up. No idea if that's going to be good or bad for you.
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Yeah, the Spotify playlist Bolsters sent to it had Overgrown in it, so that’s what we listened to. Apparently we should have listened to Retrograde, though :lol. So now I'm giving Retrograde a few listens and a few days so I don't judge to hastily.
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I also thought it was Retrogade, not Retrograde.
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Goddamnit he has the wrong song again. Retrogade is terrible, whereas Retrograde is fantastic.
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Retrograde is ok :justjen
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It doesn't really matter. Ether song is fine by me. Take the highest score
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It doesn't really matter. Ether song is fine by me. Take the highest score
They are listening to the correct song now. Mr. Red's score should already reflect this change once I get it, but be aware that the scores from Tyrias or 425 that I post may change after the fact.
And I will try really hard not to fuck anything else up.
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Can I send for the next round now? :P
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Can I send for the next round now? :P
I don't see why not.
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So, regarding Retrograde: I liked it just the slightest bit less than Overgrown, but it's a really subtle difference. That synth-noise that appears halfway through was kind of annoying at first, but I really like it now. It just took a few listens to grow on me. Other than that, my favourite part is the hummed melody at the beginning and end. Love that one. What makes me prefer Overgrown a bit is that it feels a bit weirder and more "special" and I like the beat more.
However, since I'm only scoring out of 5 I won't change my score. There's just not difference in how much I like both songs to actually change the score. It would have probably been half a point less if I had scored out of 15.
Also, I hope Mr. Red will get out of the stressful period in his life and manage to post scores.
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Sorry everyone for the long delay in scores. Yes, I'm alive. Don't worry.
wolfking: Pyramaze - Back for More
I REALLY enjoyed this one. Great symphonic/power metal sound. I really enjoyed the vocalist especially... it fits the sound of the band really well and didn't sound affected (sometimes you get that with this kind of sound, which kind of turns me off). The keyboards in the pre-chorus are very enjoyable. I LOVED the instrumental section as well. Formwise it's a little formulaic, but it kept my interest. Overall a great song, and if the rest of their repertoire sounds like this I will listen to more of this band.
jingle.boy: Flaming Row - Rage of Dispair
Sorry jingle. The harsh vocals were a BIG turn off for me. I loved the intro (and whenever that 3/3/2 pattern returned), but then the scream vocals came in and I was cringing. I liked the female vocalist a lot though, and harsh vocals aside, I would probably enjoy this song a lot more. The instrumental section was also very amped up, and I enjoyed the prominent bass line leading into a clean guitar solo, reminiscent of early DT. But this screaming instead of singing thing has never been for me. I had a feeling you would be expecting this.
Nekov: Faunts - Feel.Love.Thinking.Of
This is something that I could listen to late at night to wind down. This type of synth-heavy song is really starting to become popular, which I don't mind. It's not my favorite synthy song, but it definitely works. I'm glad it was on the short side though because it's so soothing I probably would have fallen asleep :lol
Evermind: Avantasia - Savior in the Clockwork
My favorite song of the round. Love the buildup at the beginning, and then BOOM BOOM BOOM... this had me from the very beginning. Loved every moment of this. How did I not know about this band? The instrumental section was great, the vocalist was great, I loved the choral background vocals... this had everything that I love about prog metal in it. Bravo.
Sacul: Lord Huron - Ends of the Earth
This song is a bit hipster, but it isn't bad. It's different enough that it kept me going, and it calmed me down. It reminded me of a band I used to listen to a lot in early high school though. It just felt a little repetitive as it got towards the end. There was an air to this song at the very beginning that made it sound like I should have been on some tropical island or something. Unique.
Scorpion: Beyond the Bridge - Doorway to Salvation
At the beginning, I was like "What is this The Mirror sped up"? Then the female vocalist came on and I was like "Nope!" Interesting that she sang that entire phrase acapella. For some reason this song didn't grab me like the other prog-metal songs in this round... I don't know why... I enjoyed the vocals the most of this; maybe it's because without that I would never know what direction the song was going. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't my favorite.
senecadawg: James Blake - Retrograde
This type of soul music is becoming very popular right now with artists like Adele and Sam Smith. I do enjoy it quite a bit, and this was no exception. The piece focuses on the vocals and the words with a very simple and minimalistic beat. However, the simple synths kind of seemed overpronounced and when they were evolving and out of tune with each other I was like Ugh... although whenever they resolved out of that it fit a lot better.
(https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/results05c.png~original)
Alright, we are now officially starting Round 6: the final round of Tier two, and so after this round we will see two more eliminations. Round 6 has Mr. Red as the primary judge.
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Was a bit worried Mr Red would think the song was a bit repetitive, and I was right - otherwise, hell yeah, tied with Scorp :smiley:
To the judges: what's your take on samples? Like them, hate them, whatever? :P
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Sent.
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Bummer.
Get ready to be trolled judges.
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Sending Rick Astley? :P
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I'd say the growls are incoming.
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Very nearly sent Red.
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Is it me or Nekov should have 106.5 instead of 105.5?
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No he shouldn't :angel:
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To the judges: what's your take on samples? Like them, hate them, whatever? :P
Depends. I can be fine with them, but if they're repetitive ("Six o'clock on a Christmas morn-- Six o'clock on a Christmas morn-- Six o'clock on a Christmas morn--") that can get annoying.
I've listened to Retrograde a couple of times. I want to listen one more time to be sure. I like it pretty similarly to Overgrown (no surprise because they're the same artist and pretty similar stylistically). There may be an adjustment, but if there is it will likely just be by a half point. I'll try to have an answer on that tomorrow.
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Is it me or Nekov should have 106.5 instead of 105.5?
No, what he should have is 13.5 from 425, instead of 14.5. His total score is correct.
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Maybe I should be verifying Bolsters more than I have been...
Just kidding! :angel: Will always appreciate your work organizing this no matter how many times you pull a Failure Swift.
13.5 is the highest score I gave this round.
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Oh, nice then. I'm only two points away!
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To the judges: what's your take on samples? Like them, hate them, whatever? :P
If they add something to the song I usually like them. Also, see my Round 6&7 entries in your roulette for your answer :P
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Oh my, Evermind is coming real close. I will send something either tonight or tomorrow since I need to dig deep into my music library to get something good for Mr. Red and I don't have my external HD with me.
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Oh hell, I missed this part:
Evermind: Avantasia - Savior in the Clockwork
My favorite song of the round. Love the buildup at the beginning, and then BOOM BOOM BOOM... this had me from the very beginning. Loved every moment of this. How did I not know about this band? The instrumental section was great, the vocalist was great, I loved the choral background vocals... this had everything that I love about prog metal in it. Bravo.
I'm not even sure if this is trolling at this point or you're being completely serious. There were four vocalists, damn it. Four. :facepalm: Obviously I can't complain because I've got a highest score for you — it's a pity I had to switch the songs order, I planned Avantasia for your round as I said in the PM I think — but damn, does it irritate me a lot. Anyway, glad you liked it this much! :tup
Damn, I've even provided the timestamps for each singer's appearance in the message I addressed to the judges.
Anyway, I have my song ready, but I'm having doubts about it. I'll see if I can come up with something else that will be more suitable, and if not, this might be the only round I'm going to screw up. Then again, it may go well enough. I love this song after all.
Oh my, Evermind is coming real close.
:heybaby:
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Oh hell, I missed this part:
Evermind: Avantasia - Savior in the Clockwork
My favorite song of the round. Love the buildup at the beginning, and then BOOM BOOM BOOM... this had me from the very beginning. Loved every moment of this. How did I not know about this band? The instrumental section was great, the vocalist was great, I loved the choral background vocals... this had everything that I love about prog metal in it. Bravo.
I'm not even sure if this is trolling at this point or you're being completely serious. There were four vocalists, damn it. Four. :facepalm: Obviously I can't complain because I've got a highest score for you — it's a pity I had to switch the songs order, I planned Avantasia for your round as I said in the PM I think — but damn, does it irritate me a lot. Anyway, glad you liked it this much! :tup
Damn, I've even provided the timestamps for each singer's appearance in the message I addressed to the judges.
:rollin
Evermind, if it makes you feel any better, I just bought this album. And I'll make extra careful to follow along in the booklet so I'm sure about which singer is which.
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Why, yes it does. Have you tried The Scarecrow yet or did you go straight for this one?
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I went straight for this one. Just from the one song I've heard from each, I liked the style of this one slightly better. And, also, one of my criteria for prioritizing roulette albums is whether that artist put out or is putting out an album this year (which is why the second artist I get something from this roulette will probably be Headspace), because I like to get involved with new releases and be able to work on my AOTY list. So since their new album is I guess a sequel to The Mystery of Time, I decided to go ahead and get that one and then, if I like it, get the new one next before jumping back to The Scarecrow.
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I'm still deciding between two potential songs, I'll send tomorrow.
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Only two in so far.
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Sent
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Sent. This could be my screw-up round, or it could work just fine. We'll see.
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Please god let it be a screw up, please god let it be a screw up
(https://paperpetual.com/gifs/yepray.gif)
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All but Sacul and wolfking have now sent.
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Will send tomorrow morning after I finally take my last exam :smiley:
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I have sent.
Let's hope that jingle and/or Sacul screw up. :P
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All but Sacul and wolfking have now sent.
Whoops, forgot all about this. Alright, let's see if I can pick a winner.
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I have sent.
Let's hope that jingle and/or Sacul screw up. :P
Dude.... you have a 3 point lead on me. You only need to worry about yourself not screwing up. 21 is my high score so far. So long as you don't shit the bed, you're good to go.
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Sent some more modern melodeath. Was gonna have a laugh with some full on growls, but decided to send something still with some great melody. You never know I could still possibly convert someone. :lol
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Sent.
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Sent some more modern melodeath. Was gonna have a laugh with some full on growls, but decided to send something still with some great melody. You never know I could still possibly convert someone. :lol
What's your all time record for sending growls and converting someone lol
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Sent some more modern melodeath. Was gonna have a laugh with some full on growls, but decided to send something still with some great melody. You never know I could still possibly convert someone. :lol
What's your all time record for sending growls and converting someone lol
I've never thought about it really Jason because I've never sent anyone any growls before, or the ones that do a round of minimal growls, I always have to compromise. The albums that got me into growls though were;
Soilwork - Chainheart Machine
Soilwork - Figure Number Five
In Flames - THe Jester Race
Children of Bodom - Follow the Reaper
Trivium - Ascendancy
They were my big four bands that converted me.
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(https://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2015/08/poker-all-in.png)
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You know I'm the Paula when a contestant sends an artist that they previously sent in my solo roulette and says that they feel like they're taking a risk with me and that I didn't really like the song they sent before... When I gave that song an 8.5/10. Because even the songs that I apparently seem from my writeups to not really like score at an 8.5. :lol
(FWIW, I did like the song in question, quite a bit, actually—I just did not fall head-over-heels in love with it, which probably resulted in a less effusive writeup, which probably created the impression that I didn't care for it, because the main way to tell how much I like a song is by gauging how effusive my positive review of it is. Because the review is almost always positive. Because I am Paula.)
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Just give my song a 4.5 and stop bitching - and make a sandwich, Paula :smiley:
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I'd take at least 1 point from his score if he talked to me like that....
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You know I'm the Paula when a contestant sends an artist that they previously sent in my solo roulette and says that they feel like they're taking a risk with me and that I didn't really like the song they sent before... When I gave that song an 8.5/10. Because even the songs that I apparently seem from my writeups to not really like score at an 8.5. :lol
(FWIW, I did like the song in question, quite a bit, actually—I just did not fall head-over-heels in love with it, which probably resulted in a less effusive writeup, which probably created the impression that I didn't care for it, because the main way to tell how much I like a song is by gauging how effusive my positive review of it is. Because the review is almost always positive. Because I am Paula.)
Yeah, that was me. :lol I didn't remember it was 8.5/10 to be honest and I was too lazy to check. I seem to recall your write-up had that "yeah, well, this is good, whatever" vibe, but I might be wrong too. I just somehow remembered you weren't enthusiastic about that song at all.
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I'd take at least 1 point from his score if he talked to me like that....
Yeah, I don't even know why any of that happened. Completely unprompted. Unacceptable.
Yeah, that was me. :lol I didn't remember it was 8.5/10 to be honest and I was too lazy to check. I seem to recall your write-up had that "yeah, well, this is good, whatever" vibe, but I might be wrong too. I just somehow remembered you weren't enthusiastic about that song at all.
I totally understand. One of the biggest challenges for me in that roulette that I hope I'm getting better at this time is calibrating my scores and writeups to my actual feelings about the song so that all three of them match. That was probably an instance where I was not positive enough in my writeup which caused it to seem like a writeup for a 7.5 maybe more so than one for an 8.5. I liked the song quite a bit but was not driven to great enthusiasm by it.
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New additions to the banned list:
Anubis
Arcane
DJ Shadow
Dragon
Leprous
Mark Knopfler
Solution .45
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This is gonna be a very interesting round.
Btw, is the thread title updated? :P
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senecadawg2: James Blake - Retrograde
A lot of my feelings on this are pretty similar to my feelings on Overgrown, so I won't repeat everything here. Like Overgrown, Retrograde has a very good atmosphere and an awesome emotional vocal performance. Both songs are memorable and emotional. The fact that there are two songs of this quality on the same album has only encouraged me to get into this guy's music.
Between the two songs, I like Retrograde just a little bit better, mainly because it doesn't have that small five-second dissonant part that I dislike in Overgrown, but also because there's a little bit more of a groove in this one. Both are incredible songs, but Retrograde is a hair above. It's enough above on a 15 point scale that it does warrant an added half-point.
Score: 14.0 (+0.5 above the original)
With this done, about to get started on Round 6.
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I think Retrograde has less groove and more dissonance than Ovetgrown :lol. Funny how our opinions of those 2 songs are completely different in those two aspects.
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And Tyrias again fanning the flames of confusion about which song is which :lol
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Sweet. Now if I make a comeback and beat Nekov by half a point I'll have you to thank.
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New additions to the banned list:
Anubis
Arcane
DJ Shadow
Dragon
Leprous
Mark Knopfler
Solution .45
I know what Sacul sent :P
Sweet. Now if I make a comeback and beat Nekov by half a point I'll have you to thank.
If that happens I'll hunt 425 down
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I know what Sacul sent :P
Everyone does.
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I'm 2 listens in. So far this round is pretty mixed for me, some pretty underwhelming stuff, some great stuff and some stuff in between. Opinions are of course subject to change, since my last 2 listens were done after an exhausting week and a really exhausting weekend, so that probably worked in favor of the more laid back songs so far (though I did enjoy one of the heavier tracks quite immensely, despite my state of permanent exhaustion).
Also, Sacul's song totally feels like 2 songs to be honest, even though it's only one track. More like a suite.
And sorry Evermind, I don't really have a comfortable chair to rest in, I'm not too fond of whiskey and I don't have a cat, so I'll have to listen to your song without any of those ;).
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It's actually a single song, you'll notice the main theme is reprised several times through it :P
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And sorry Evermind, I don't really have a comfortable chair to rest in, I'm not too fond of whiskey and I don't have a cat, so I'll have to listen to your song without any of those ;).
I'm screwed.
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This is very close to getting to page 2
And sorry Evermind, I don't really have a comfortable chair to rest in, I'm not too fond of whiskey and I don't have a cat, so I'll have to listen to your song without any of those ;).
I'm screwed.
That's oddly specific :lol
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That's what Evermind wrote the judges should do in his PM.
Also, I'll post my write-ups either Thursday evening or Friday, depending on when I get home on Thursday.
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I'm two listens in now as well. I'll probably be posting writeups on the heels of Tyrias.
I would say that this is a pretty average round. There are some songs I liked a good bit, but there's nothing that jumps out as a really strong round winner. There are also some songs that I think are good but not that notable.
And yeah I'm in a dorm so no cat and I'm under the legal drinking age in the United States so no whiskey.
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I like to think I did my best :lol
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Ahhhh this is just making me nervous. I was choosing between like three songs that all had their pros and cons in my head, and now I can't help thinking that I probably made the wrong choice. :lol
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Ahhhh this is just making me nervous. I was choosing between like three songs that all had their pros and cons in my head, and now I can't help thinking that I probably made the wrong choice. :lol
All of this :rollin
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And yeah I'm in a dorm so no cat and I'm under the legal drinking age in the United States so no whiskey.
I definitely doubt my song did well now. Oh well.
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You seem to have a strong belief in the importance of the cat and the whiskey.
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whiskey is very important and I don't even know what song he sent
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whiskey is very important and I don't even know what song he sent
I concur
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Can you two be the judges in the next installment of this? Despite being in the second place now, I have a feeling I would've done much better in this case. :biggrin:
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Hey Bolsters, what if after several championships you make a Special, Ultimate League with championship winners, and let Parama, Tom Bombadil (or Elite) and me be the judges? It'd surely be the most frustrating thing on Earth :P
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Hey Bolsters, what if after several championships you make a Special, Ultimate League with championship winners, and let Parama, Tom Bombadil (or Elite) and me be the judges? It'd surely be the most frustrating thing on Earth :P
How about a roulette where you three will just send the songs to each other? :lol
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I'd love to be a judge in the next championship :lol
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"This song was alright, not enough black metal screams and 8 minute silences though"
4/10
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you poor, poor thing
I want 10-minute triphop songs with random samples all over the place though tbh
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I want 10-minute triphop songs with random samples all over the place though tbh
Not (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OGk9N8Y5s) exactly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnF5T4Neuc) the (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thbYqTKOak) time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cKO_Nc6uNc) length (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01fUwIX3PA) you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgDb6IYJyQo) requested (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glR2hFrq4ks), but (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3BMcDsVzDU) here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csWzB94_ULk) you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpWI_PHjrKw) have (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbzTEPLd1mg) :corn
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I sincerely hope you didn't spend time gathering about a dozen links in response to a sarcastic post :lol
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I have like 4 hours untill my next class so yes I did :lol
All of those are at least pretty great tho.
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Here they are, my long-awaited round 6 write-ups. I’d say this was a pretty average round, nothing awful, a few so-so songs, a few good ones, a few great ones. For this round I deliberately didn’t look up who sent which song, so I only knew which song was Sacul’s for my first 2 listens (because it was just so obvious ;)). I checked who sent what afterwards, but I just wanted to have an unbiased first impression of the songs.
Sacul: DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem
I really like the somber, laid back, kind of dark atmosphere in this one. And you were absolutely right, this works best in darkness. I did my first few listens while taking a walk or going to university and the song just wasn’t as good as during my last listen with lights off on my good speakers. That weird break at around the 2 minutes mark was a bit jarring for me on my first listen, but it’s okay now. Kind of adds to the atmosphere. I love that hectic electronic drumbeat at the end of the first song of the suite. And yes, I stand by my opinion that it’s more of a suite than a whole song, even though there are some reprises of the main melody in the second song. There’s a 3 second break, and the first song would have been complete without anything else, as would the second one. I won’t hold that against it, though. My favourite part is probably the spoken samples in the second song, the music and the “melody” of his speaking, plus the content of his narration, really make it something special. The end drags just the slightest bit though, which kind of prevent this from getting an amazing score. It’s still awesome though.
Nekov: Dragon - Sunburst
I love the keys/mellotron/organ/whatever in this. I’m a sucker for that kind of sounds anyway, and it’s used absolutely perfectly here. Atmosphere-wise this is another really strong song this round, not quite happy, not quite sad, somewhere between hopeful and melancholic. It’s also the strongest point of this song. If it weren’t for these awesome keys, the song would have been really mediocre. The vocals in this are okay, nothing particularly special imo, but they serve the song well and fit in. But those organs. Gotta love ‘em. This is among the better songs of this round for sure. Again, nothing amazing and stunning, but an excellent song and something I’m looking forward to checking out once I find time.
Scorpion: Arcane – Unturning
This is good I guess. I quite like the hectic guitar melody at the start, but it doesn’t really do anything for me emotionally. It gets better once the vocals kick in, I like the contrast between hectic guitars and calm vocals. When the riffs get heavier it starts to have some emotional impact as well, but it fails to reach the heights of some of the other songs this round. It’s just a bit too repetitive for my taste, and the riffs are not interesting enough to be played so many times in a row. While that sounds pretty harsh so far, I did enjoy this a fair bit. Mostly the interplay between calm and heavy parts, sometimes at the same time. The heavy part after it gets quiet for a time, when it explodes into heaviness and releases all the tension build up before is amazing, though. If only the first 4 or so minutes were equally good.
Evermind: Mark Knopfler ft. Ruth Moody - Wherever I Go
I have no idea how I messed up your plans for Round 7 by having a theme, because this totally fits my theme. The female vocalist sings about half the vocals, which was basically my only prerequisite. Looking back, that’s what I wrote in my post on the theme. Could you tell me what you misunderstood in there, so I can clarify? That said, this is my winner for this round, and pretty damn close to a perfect song. I love the laid-back, peaceful feeling. Chill, but still emotional vocals, the guy and the female’s vocals fit together amazingly well. The sax and guitars solos are so damn tasteful, I’m feeling like I’m sitting in an 80’s jazz or blues cellar, walls made of bricks and in poor shape, smelling kind of old and wet, but no one gives a fuck because everyone is captivated by the music. Nice one.
jingle.boy: Anubis - Blood is Thicker than Common Sense
Sorry, but you won’t make it past the cut like this, unless the other judges have a completely different opinion of this song. I actively dislike his voice, even though he hit the right notes he just sounds really off key at least half the time. It’s also far too repetitive for my liking, especially since I don’t really love the part that is repeated so much to start with. If it were repeated once or twice, okay, but I get really sick of the guitar melody and vocals by the end of the song. The organ solo is good though, I have to give you that. I guess I wouldn’t be offended if someone put this on as background music, but I would’t go out of my way to listen to it.
Wolfking: Solution .45 - Winning Where Losing is All
Well, you probably have no chance of making it past this round at this point, but at least you went out with a bang, as they say. Cause this song is sick. Great heavy riffs, nice solos. I like the contrast between the clean vocals and growls, they really add something to this song, even though the other two judges will probably hate them. The chorus is so catchy, it’s ridiculous. This makes me think I really need to go to a Metal concert again, it’s been far too long since I’ve rocked out and headbanged at a concert. My favourite part is probably the outro, those balls-to-the-wall heavy riffs mixed with the calm choir and strings, and the almost tribal like drumming at the end of the song.
senecadawg2: Leprous - The Price
This suffers from the riff-repeated-far-too-often syndrome once again. Especially at the start, they could have skipped at least 3 repetitions before the vocals set in, it gets a lot better once they kick in. Then it gets calmer again and the atmosphere gets a lot more dense, before it erupts into this amazing chorus. Seriously, if the whole song was as consistently good as the chorus, this could have been a perfect score. My main problem really is that boring riff that is again repeated after the chorus, again far too often. Otherwise, this is quite stellar.
Also, I think I’ll compile a list of some of my female vocalists, just so you have an idea what I like and what I don’t. You can expect that tomorrow probably.
And I'll check out that Trip_Hop with random samples Sacul posted :lol. just so that his work wasn't for nothing.
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Dammit, it seems Evermind will get closer. I hope the other 2 judges like my song better....
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Paying attention? I suck at it. I wasn't sure you're going to accept a 50% female fronted song so I decided to send this one earlier and go with full-blown female fronted song in your round. I may yet regret that.
Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. I picked this song specifically to your tastes, even though I ended up sending it earlier.
It's still better if you have a rocking chair, cat on your lap and whiskey though.
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Yeah, seems like my thoughts were about right. The final two minutes are basically the best thing on that album, and while I really like the first six minutes too, I can totally understand why they would feel a little repetitive to some people.
Oh well, at least jingle screwed up, so I'm probably looking to make the cut. Dammit Sacul though - if I make it through, it's looking to be in last place.
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Awesome. Let's get 425 and Red in here to make it official.
Oh well, at least jingle screwed up
You're welcome. Actually, I'm welcome. No offense to the organizers, but the pace of this one has been a killjoy. Wish I'd held firm on my original inclination not to participate.
Happy to be on my way out.
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We'll miss you Chad :'(
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We'll miss you Chad :'(
No you won't. :-*
We'll have fun together in RJ's soon enough.
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We'll miss you Chad :'(
No you won't. :-*
We'll have fun together in RJ's soon enough.
I missed that one. I'll join if I can even though I'll probably suck :lol
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What the?? You won his first!
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the main riff of the price is my favorite part of the song but I do agree that the track does have too little meat on its bones overall (probably my main problem with a lot of songs on that album tbh)
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Wolfking: Solution .45 - Winning Where Losing is All
Well, you probably have no chance of making it past this round at this point, but at least you went out with a bang, as they say. Cause this song is sick.
Fucking typical.
Awesome. Let's get 425 and Red in here to make it official.
Oh well, at least jingle screwed up
You're welcome. Actually, I'm welcome. No offense to the organizers, but the pace of this one has been a killjoy. Wish I'd held firm on my original inclination not to participate.
Happy to be on my way out.
I gotta agree with Chad on this one guys, sorry. The pace has been much too slow, but rock on. And yeah, officially get us out so everyone else can keep playing.
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yeah 6 rounds in 2.3 months is quite slow really, but I don't care that much I got out of this fast anyways
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To be fair, a bit of that delay is caused by the format of this. Since everyone sends to Bolsters and he passes it on to us, there’s probably at least half a day of lost listening time there for each round. Again the same problem happens when red sends his results to Bolsters and Bolsters has to add up scores and such. This is kind of magnified by the fact that we all live in different time zones (or at least I do ::)).
And of course when you have three judges, chances are higher someone will have real life stress and less time to focus on internet stuff than with just one roulette host, since it's always the one who takes the longest who decides how long a round takes.
That said, I feel like I did pretty well with my speed. I think this round was the longest for me from receiving all songs to posting write-ups, and it was still just 6 days, even though I was on a scout conference with zero private time over the weekend and gave every song at least 5 listens.
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The pace has been poor I agree. But I think that's an unavoidable issue with a roulette like this. Normally a roulette can slow down a bit if the host gets busy or something hits the fan, but when there's three judges it means that little delays like that are three times more likely to occur. Even though I made the choice to only allow people who had run a roulette of their own in the past to be judges, I suspected the pace might become sluggish regardless.
Anyway, hopefully things can pick up now that Mr. Red isn't being delayed as much, and once two more people get the axe after this round.
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Nice! :D
Oh, and please don't check the trip-hop links yet - I want to send one of those artists if I pass to the nex tier :P
EDIT: I guess the "weird break" is just a consequence of DJ Shadow having a hip-hop heart (and having worked as a producer), but a very eclectic mind - that album is considered the peak of instrumental hip-hop.
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Yeah, the pace has been slow but as Bolsters and Tyrias point out, there's 3 judges in different timezones and whatnot so it's understandable.
What the?? You won his first!
I know, but since then my musical tastes have been going away from metal and his have stayed there so I'm not sure I'll have enough good stuff to send him. We'll see
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The pace has been poor I agree. But I think that's an unavoidable issue with a roulette like this. Normally a roulette can slow down a bit if the host gets busy or something hits the fan, but when there's three judges it means that little delays like that are three times more likely to occur. Even though I made the choice to only allow people who had run a roulette of their own in the past to be judges, I suspected the pace might become sluggish regardless.
Anyway, hopefully things can pick up now that Mr. Red isn't being delayed as much, and once two more people get the axe after this round.
All of this. And I do think that once we're down to five it'll be faster, because that should cut the average length of listening to a full round of entries to 30-40 minutes, whereas right now it's like 40-50 and at the beginning it was an hour or more. That'll mean that I will be able to listen between classes which will be much more convenient for me. And I will only have five entries to stack up in terms of rating them.
You'll have from me in about an hour.
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thats turning out to be a mighty long hour mate
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Oops, I finished writing them and I was like "okay, done" and went on to other things, and only just now realized that I didn't do that whole thing where I post them. :lol
This was a fairly average round, and I don't think the spread of scores from me will be all too surprising. This is one where I felt the constraints of the relatively small number of increments I have—for example two songs got a certain pretty good score this round, but they're both kind of halfway between two and got pushed up to a —if I was the lead judge I would be giving those songs different scores in the interval between the two scores. But here the scores are rougher.
One song was pretty great and did get the highest score. I liked some other songs, but there was really just the one that I got really excited about. On the other hand, there was nothing that I didn't like. I would consider checking out all of these albums.
Anyway, writeups:
Evermind: Mark Knopfler ft. Ruth Moody - Wherever I Go
Evermind, you seemed to have nothing but doubts that I would like this song, for whatever reason.
I’m happy to inform you that your doubts were all wrong. This is a beautiful song that I really like everything about.
Knopfler writes a kind of minimalistic music that sometimes is a hit with me and sometimes is something I like but don’t love. This song just hits all the right notes for me. The guitar work isn’t complex, but it’s that type of thing where it’s better to play a few of the right notes than a thousand notes a minute. His style is really one-of-a-kind and tugs at the heartstrings quite a bit. I can see why he and Gilmour are both among your favorite guitarists. They’re both real talents at emotive guitar playing.
I’ve always liked his singing voice, as well. Like his guitar playing, his singing is usually not acrobatic, but it works for the emotion of the song. Here, he’s accompanied by a female vocalist who is singing in a higher octave, which creates a very beautiful contrast.
The presence of the saxophone really tops the whole thing off in create the beautiful, relaxed atmosphere of this song.
Contrary to all your expectations, this is a definite hit with me.
jingle.boy: Anubis - Blood Is Thicker Than Common Sense
This is an interesting song, no doubt. This is one of those prog songs that depends pretty heavily on rhythm, which can be something that I don’t appreciate at times. And it is true that in this case one of the things I’m not crazy about here is that this song feels like it’s a bit too relentless in driving forward at a fast, rhythm-driven pace for much of its almost 9-minute run time. But this issue is also mitigated somewhat by the fact that there is strong melodic vocal work over the rhythmic parts and that there are a few slower breaks spaced throughout the song.
This one has been a definite grower. At first I really didn’t care for much of anything about this song, but over the course of several listens, I’ve come to appreciate the instrumentation and a lot of the songwriting here.
All that said, the end result here is a prog song that I certainly find interesting enough to hold my attention for its full runtime and to consider checking out the album at some point (especially because the album title and artwork are awesome), but not one that I’m passionately in love with.
That is to say, I liked this better than Tyrias did for sure. But I’m not going to be saving you. You’ll have to hope that Red liked it better than I did if you want to stay in.
Nekov: Dragon - Sunburst
So here’s a very 70s-prog-sounding song. It sounds quite Yes-inspired to me, with the style of the basslines and the emphasis on keyboards and organ.
This is a fairly pleasant song. There are a lot of nice melodies here and there’s a generally positive, pleasant atmosphere. The chorus in particular is memorable, as is the organ part that takes place around the 4:30 mark. It’s a pretty song. It’s not something that’s spectacular to where I’m crazy in love with it, but it’s a pretty song that makes me at least fairly interested in this band. The main drawback here is that it’s maybe a little too long. But I suppose that’s what prog is for.
Sacul: DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem
Alright, so here’s a song from the same album as one of Sacul’s submissions in my solo roulette, which did not score particularly well. I liked alright, but I wasn’t crazy about it.
This is a pretty nice song. The bulk of the song is some nice atmospheric instrumental parts. They aren’t melodically complex, but they work really well at creating a pretty atmosphere. The appearance of the more percussive parts over the top of them is sometimes a bit disorienting. I wish that would be toned down a bit to emphasize the melodic stuff more so than the crashing percussion.
There’s also some weird, out-of-left-field stuff that I don’t get why it’s there. There are two moments within the first couple of minutes where I don’t get why that sample is there.
This definitely feels like two songs, as Tyrias said. The second part is more atmospheric in orientation than the first, and it makes more judicious use of the percussion. I’m not sure what the spoken sample is all about, but it doesn’t really detract.
This is a pretty song, but there are some aspects I don’t appreciate here. I also feel like it’s disjointed, like it’s really two songs. I don’t want to say that this artist completely isn’t for me, because there’s a lot to like here, but aspects like some of the jarring samples and the over-the-top percussion in parts of the first half do drag it down a bit for me. I’ll commend you for taking the risk of sending an artist that was one of the lower scores in my solo roulette, but I’m not sure I can say that the risk really paid off for you as far as I’m concerned.
Still interested in checking out this artist, but there are some misgivings that detract from the song for me, and what is good isn’t quite enough to cancel those out (as happened for Evermind with his Roger Waters submission with the awful lyrics). But I did like enough of this to say on the whole that this is a good piece.
Scorpion: Arcane - Unturning
So here’s a pretty cool prog metal song. There’s a kind of crazy, Spirit of Radio type guitar part at the beginning here, but the very soft, peaceful clean vocals over the top of that create an interesting contrast, even more so when some more frantic vocal parts join in. That pretty complex opening is attention-grabbing.
Then we get into some heavier sections, where the singer shows a bit more variation in vocal style while maintaining a certain softness—which is pretty cool and is an interesting contrast with the heavy riffs. There’s also a good moment when the quiet section builds up back into another heavy part—that heavy part might be the highlight of the song.
My main misgiving here is that this song is a bit long. However, there’s enough to like here that this isn’t an overpowering objection. It’s a pretty good song.
senecadawg2: Leprous - The Price
I’ve definitely heard and seen a lot of praise for this band. For whatever reason, I thought they were more of a death metal band, just based on the name and album artwork, I guess. But this is certainly not death metal, more of a fairly different twist on prog metal.
This song is, I guess, a little djenty at times (well, at least in the sense of being rhythmic and staccato)—which is hit or miss with me, and is fine but not excellent here. That’s interspersed with some parts that I like much better, which are dominated by melodic vocals and either soft or heavy melodic instrumentation. The chorus here is quite good. As I think I’ve established by now, I really like big, anthemic choruses, and this fits the bill. The singer is pretty good and is the type of singer I like to hear in prog metal. Good song, I like it a fair bit and I’ll check out more from this artist.
wolfking: Solution .45 - Winning Where Losing Is All
Alright, so I suppose this is most likely my final dose of melodic metal from wolfking, which is a pretty cool thing to get.
This, I guess, is what they call melodic death metal. I find this type of metal interesting, though I don’t know much about it, because, as the name suggests, there’s a lot of melody here. More so than there is in a lot of metal. But then there’s also the death growls playing a prominent role. It’s almost like quality pop songwriting mixed with heavy guitars and death growls.
Here the growls are fine with me. They don’t really add or detract. I think the clean vocals are pretty strong and I prefer them to the growls in this particular song, especially on the chorus. The chorus is pretty addictive and is the best part of a pretty strong song.
Wolfking, I suppose this is the end of the line for you, unless the Red Judge gives some very unusual scores. It’s been good to have you. Though you never really broke out above a certain ceiling, I liked all of your submissions. All the stuff you sent was pretty strong, melody-heavy, catchy metal songs, and that’s definitely something I’ve enjoyed getting every round. I know you’re kind of ready to be done anyway, though, so I suppose it’s well enough that it’s ending here. It’s been good to have you, though.
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I completely forgot I sent DJ Shadow in your roulette :lol :facepalm:
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:lol
Let me refresh your memory:
Sacul: DJ Shadow - Midnight in a Perfect World
On first listen, I really didn’t know what to think of this song at all. It was just very weird confusing to me on the whole. As I’ve listened to it more, though, I’ve definitely grown to like it better. I really quite enjoy the atmosphere that it creates. The drummer is pretty impressive, and I quite like the subtle keyboard melodies and (I assume sampled?) female vocal parts.
The part that’s hit-or-miss with me are the male/spoken-word samples. In some cases they are used really well to accentuate a particular part of the song, but there are also uses that are a bit grating. Near the end, the beginning of the sentence “Now approaching midnight” is repeated a lot of times in rapid succession, in a way that has always bothered me in music because it sounds unnatural. In that case it detracts a bit from the conclusion to the song, which includes a pretty good guitar part.
Nonetheless, I like this song as a full piece. Though that one part does grate a bit for me, there’s a lot of good in this piece as well. I should also mention that I really like the title of this song and think it’s really fitting, so that helps, too. As a whole, this piece is good and has encouraged me to investigate more by this artist, but has some grating parts and oddities that drag it down a bit.
Score: 7.0 + 0.5 bonus = 7.5
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7.0 from 425 means your song was absolute shit. :lol
Glad you liked my song though. I guess I've got the highest score? That's nice indeed. And maybe this song will inspire you to check Knopfler's solo work after all.
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Oh yeah :lol
Btw, that's not a drummer, just DJ Shadow playing with sampled drums :P
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7.0 from 425 means your song was absolute shit. :lol
I mean, that isn't untrue. :lol
But actually, that's one of the lower scores where I feel I may have been a little too low. As the writeup suggests, I liked some parts and didn't like others.
Glad you liked my song though. I guess I've got the highest score? That's nice indeed. And maybe this song will inspire you to check Knopfler's solo work after all.
Yeah, your song was my favorite of the round. Even without the cat.
Oh yeah :lol
Btw, that's not a drummer, just DJ Shadow playing with sampled drums :P
Haha, yeah, I'm pretty sure you told me the same thing at the time. :P
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I'm very surprised that my song is getting positive reactions. Didn't go heavy enough. :lol
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Yeah, your song was my favorite of the round. Even without the cat.
Awesome. It seems I won the round according to the two judges, and since winning it outright is just too good to be true, Mr. Red will probably say it's his least favourite song of the round and give me a 7/15 or something. :lol
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I'm very surprised that my song is getting positive reactions. Didn't go heavy enough. :lol
You'd need to go this heavy to get a negative reaction because of heaviness from me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrcY9I-BbjM
whereas the following from the same band is absolutely fine and a great song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akG2cFldO6I
Anyway, I said I'd post a list of some of my favourite songs with female vocalists, so here is a small overview (some of them are duets by the way, but the female vocalists are still very prominent):
ABBA - Chiquitita: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4QqMKe3rwY (yes, seriously)
Amatorski - Never Told: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA8Ow3Qc07c
Anathema - Ariel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjAHS4pNUY8
AZEDIA - Thunder and Lightning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPklgCBNlZw
Bent Knee - Battle Creek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBszXDyMYhs
Chelsea Wolfe - The waves Have come https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjpc9KE-kW0
Epica - Chasing The Dragon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bidIrp1gZoc
Evanescence - Fields of Innocence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uZcexsPuw
Guro von Germeten - Accordion Night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpzXhIEOQRE
London Grammar - Night Call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYw0MQp_fI
Nightwish - Dead Boy's Poem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtyy6hgRHD8
Nightwish - Ghost Love Score live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3brcfttchzA
Susanne Sundfor - Memorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plikjySlGd8
As you can see, that's a pretty diverse list and by no means complete. Maybe it helps some of you in deciding, maybe it'll just confuse you more. If there are any questions, ask away. (and of course we need to get Red's results first. I just wanted this in the thread so it would go faster afterwards)
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What do you think about Anneke van Giersbergen-like vocals? Think Ayreon / her solo work / The Gentle Storm.
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What do you think about Anneke van Giersbergen-like vocals? Think Ayreon / her solo work / The Gentle Storm.
I saw her live once, supporting Pain of Salvation and Arstidir during an acoustic tour. Quite liked her, though she was the weakest act of the evening overall for me. Not because of her voice, but because it was just her and an acoustic guitar, whereas the others had more complex arrangements. The concert really blurred together, though, because they helped each other out so much during sets. The first song of the evening was Arstidir and POS singer playing Road Salt together, then Anneke came out for a few songs during their set, they helped her out with some additional strings in her set and both "openers" were on stage for some duets and background strings for POS.
Never heard anything from any of the bands you listed :angel:.
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have you never listened to any devin townsend project either
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Oh yeah, I know some Devin. I know Terria, Epicloud, Deconstruction, Ghost and some other songs here and there. It's been a while since I listened to him though.
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no addicted? smh tbh fam
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I tried Addicted a few times, but never got very far in before I got bored and switched something else on.
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well anneke is on epicloud quite a bit and she's on ghost a little bit
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Anyway, Devin's best records are Terria, Ki, Casualties and Ghost.
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casualties and terria, def. ocean machine, decon, and ziltoid are great too
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So, what up with the red judge? He's the only one who can save me from the evil Evermind...
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So, what up with the red judge? He's the only one who can save me from the evil Evermind...
I've got his stuff now. As soon as I plug the scores into the spreadsheet and update the scoreboard I'll post everything.
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:corn
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jingle.boy Anubis - Blood is Thicker than Common Sense
This song was a grower. It seemed a little simple at first, but as I listened more I began to like it a little bit more. The middle section with the call and response tended to drag a little bit because they did it so much and didn't change it all that much, which for an 8 minute song just got monotonous. But I enjoyed the chorus quite a bit and the groovy riffs the band played.
senecadawg2 Leprous - The Price
What a unique voice. That was the defining factor in this song. It wasn't too bad, it just didn't grab me as much. Kind of had a Coheed sound to it in my opinion.
wolfking Solution .45 - Winning Where Losing is All
Sorry Wolfking, you know how I feel about harsh vocals, so that def brought the score down. However, the music, the chorus, the guitar solo towards the end... those were all absolutely phenomenal; harsh vocals are the reason I have never gotten into bands like BTBAM, they just ruin the entire song for me. However, it didn't bring it down as much as others because I really enjoyed the non-harsh parts of this song a LOT. Like, if I could splice out those harsh vox I'd be down totally.
Sacul DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem
My favorite of the round. You picked a good one to send. I like some EDM and this is the kind I appreciate. It's repetative, but every repetitition is just different enough that it's interesting; especially as it builds up. Some of the samples/breaks are a little questionable in my opinion; while they do add to the song i just feel like they break the groove. However, they aren't too debilitating. The beginning... i felt like I was listening to Queensryche or something and then expected it to just go crazy but it never did. That was fine by me.
Nekov Dragon - Sunburst
Oh yes. Old school prog that I haven't heard of. Calming, not too crazy. I wish I knew more of this stuff... I may have to look more into this band. Reminds me a little bit of early Yes or Genesis.
Scorpion Arcane - Unturning
My favorite heavy one of the round. Kept my interest the entire time.
Evermind Mark Knopfler ft. Ruth Moody - Wherever I Go
What a calming song; I am not surprised that it was you who sent it. Unlike anything that's been sent yet. Sometimes this kind of stuff is a little too schmultzy for me but this was good.
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Now that Tier 2 has been completed, we say goodbye to two more players. Unsurprisingly, wolfking was unable to dig himself out of his hole and jingle.chad wasn't far behind, and so they have both now been eliminated. In other news, Nekov's lead continues to grow shorter.
Round 7 begins now, the next Tyrias round, and hopefully you have all remembered that this is our first themed round of the roulette. I'll make it big and bold so that hopefully no one forgets:
Round 7 theme: Female-Fronted
Start sending now.
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Hell yes :metal
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welcome to the cool kids' club, jingle and wolf
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Here are your individual score breakdowns thus far, so that you can see how you (and everyone else) is doing with each of the three judges.
This first set contains scores just from Tier 2:
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Then, here are your total scores thus far:
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"Nekov's lead continues to grow shorter" is a mild way to put it. ;)
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I have my round entries pretty much planned for this tier - just have to decide what to send to Tyrias. Hopefully 425 won't meh my song, and if I may not have enough points to get to that finals... Mr Red will receive my secret weapon, but if not, it shall get me the championship crown ;D
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Down to just five now! How exciting!
Sad to see you guys go, though, jingle.boy and wolfking. I already kind of wrote a farewell piece to wolfking in my writeup, so I'll just write a brief one for jingle here: I liked most of what you sent pretty well, actually. Definitely liked Alpha Rev, Headspace, Meat Loaf and Flaming Row quite a bit, and your other two submissions weren't bad at all, either. I'm certainly planning to check into the four artists I mentioned, so your presence here was worthwhile from my own self-centered perspective of learning about new artists. The competition was fierce, undoubtedly, and the other two judges weren't quite as kind to you as I have been. It's been fun having you involved, though. Both of you.
Anyway, onward we go to round 7... It's getting close to crunch time now for our remaining five...
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Sacul DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem
I like some EDM and this is the kind I appreciate.
DJ Shadow is EDM? ???
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What's EDM? Electronic death metal?
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Electronic death metal?
:rollin
Electronic Dance Music
Here I found some Electronic Progressive Melodic Death Metal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OMcEv5qFDI)
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Well, I need to bring my A game back if I want to win this. I'll send something later today.
"Nekov's lead continues to grow shorter" is a mild way to put it. ;)
God damn you Evilmind :getoffmylawn:
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Some farewell words from me as well:
jingle.boy: It seems our music tastes weren't really made to match, but nevertheless you sent me some stuff I really enjoyed and will check out, especially Headspace and Flaming Row. I enjoyed most of the rest as well (except for the last song ;)), but I'm not sure if I'm interested enough to check those bands out further. Now you can trash talk and make fun of the others from on outside perspective, with less chance of retribution (at least in this roulette).
wolfking: It's funny how the only song you put more thought into got the worst score from me. Anyway, everything else you sent me I did enjoy quite a bit, and I will check out some of the albums when I'm in a headbanging-and-rocking-out mood. Thanks for playing!
For the survivors, I'm looking forward to your songs! The field is quite close together, all it needs to gain a spot or two is a fantastic song, so give it your best!
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Hey... thanks for the pep talk kids. I'll be able to get thru my day now that my spirits have been lifted. :lol
jingle.boy: It seems our music tastes weren't really made to match,
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I knew that we weren't a match at all; I was only mildly aligned with 425s tastes, and clearly no one knows exactly what Red's tastes are - beyond his banned list. I knew this wasn't a good roulette for me from the start, so I'm not at all surprised, or disappointed for that matter.
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Sacul DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem
I like some EDM and this is the kind I appreciate.
DJ Shadow is EDM? ???
Not really, but I guess I can see the comparison on that song :lol
And jingle.boy... I know exactly what Mr Red likes ;)
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And jingle.boy... I know exactly what Mr Red likes ;)
:eyebrows:
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Sent
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And jingle.boy... I know exactly what Mr Red likes ;)
That didn't really help you securing the lead so far. ;)
I think I don't really know what Mr. Red likes. I mean, it's also kinda difficult to guess anything based on the write-ups like "My favorite heavy one of the round. Kept my interest the entire time". Well, I mean, I can see why him and you are a match. :lol What have you liked and disliked about this song, why is it your favourite? What was your favourite moment? How does it compare to some other bands you know? Anything else? This write-up above is like "My least favourite song of the round. This is total shit.", only it's positive.
In fact - not to bash on both of you, because everyone has its own style of running these things - just saying how I feel. I think the write-ups are rather important. I actively try to avoid roulettes where the host doesn't put enough effort in his write-ups, because this feels like he doesn't put enough effort in the whole roulette, as far as I'm concerned. And if for some reason I'm in the roulette like this, I lose motivation for carefully choosing my songs and just go with whatever's on my mind.
I understand that sometimes it's difficult to say something about the song if you didn't like it or rather thought it mediocre, but for me it's simply a matter of showing some respect to the players.
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i like roulettes where the host(s) are clearly enjoying themselves instead of making it like an obligation or something
this shines through in part with how much the host interacts with the roulette participants and in part how much effort is put into write-ups
so yeah i agree that really short writeups are super annoying because it makes it look like the host doesn't care enough but w/e :lol
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I'm not in the lead because 425 doesn't love my songs enough :sadpanda:
And I know I'm guilty of making short write-ups sometimes - it's because I wrote them before going to sleep. But sometimes I don't know what to write because there's not a lot to say about a particular song. I already know what I'm changing write-up-wise for my v3 to avoid this, tho.
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And jingle.boy... I know exactly what Mr Red likes ;)
That didn't really help you securing the lead so far. ;)
I think I don't really know what Mr. Red likes. I mean, it's also kinda difficult to guess anything based on the write-ups like "My favorite heavy one of the round. Kept my interest the entire time". Well, I mean, I can see why him and you are a match. :lol What have you liked and disliked about this song, why is it your favourite? What was your favourite moment? How does it compare to some other bands you know? Anything else? This write-up above is like "My least favourite song of the round. This is total shit.", only it's positive.
In fact - not to bash on both of you, because everyone has its own style of running these things - just saying how I feel. I think the write-ups are rather important. I actively try to avoid roulettes where the host doesn't put enough effort in his write-ups, because this feels like he doesn't put enough effort in the whole roulette, as far as I'm concerned. And if for some reason I'm in the roulette like this, I lose motivation for carefully choosing my songs and just go with whatever's on my mind.
I understand that sometimes it's difficult to say something about the song if you didn't like it or rather thought it mediocre, but for me it's simply a matter of showing some respect to the players.
I'm think that might be intentionally done just in case someone can recognize the writing style. But yeah, those writeups don't say much :lol
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i like roulettes where the host(s) are clearly enjoying themselves instead of making it like an obligation or something
this shines through in part with how much the host interacts with the roulette participants and in part how much effort is put into write-ups
so yeah i agree that really short writeups are super annoying because it makes it look like the host doesn't care enough but w/e :lol
Well, obviously, this too, but how difficult could it be to write at least a few sentences that are a bit more descriptive than "I like it"?
The really short write-ups also don't help to figure out anything specific about the host tastes, which isn't a problem with Sacul since his tastes are a jumbled mess anyway - and don't go saying Fluffy Lothario described them quite well in the beginning of your roulette, this post was only a slightly less jumbled mess than your tastes, as far as my opinion goes :lol - but it is a problem with Mr. Red since I don't even know who he is.
I'm think that might be intentionally done just in case someone can recognize the writing style.
Is it such a big deal after we played no less than six rounds already? I wouldn't mind if he finally came out and said who he is.
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Sometimes I wished I could sum my tastes up in a sentence or two, but I guess I can't help it, so I made a 5-page document that only like 2 players read :P
But yeah, I'd like to know Mr Red's identity after this roulette is over - I think he and I would get along quite well.
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I've been trying to figure out how I do write-ups best in this roulette, since they were imo rather weak in my first roulette. At first I tried writing them in silence after my last listen of the songs, but that seemed to dry (and it was kind of boring to be honest :lol). So now what I'm doing is just writing them while I listen to the songs one last time, so what you get in my write-ups are immediate reactions. Sometimes this leads to moments where I'm not quite finished with one sentence and then there's an awesome moment and I just write something along the lines of "OMG and the solo is amazing". Not very sophisticated, but I guess it gets the point across rather nicely.
As for who Mr. Red is, I'm actually not quite sure when it will be revealed. 425 and me obviously know who it is, so I'm not really in a hurry to find out, but I would be really interested in finding out if I was a participant.
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I bet Mr Red is someone we all know somehow, and HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA :2metal:
*trumpets*
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That's a pretty interesting topic, and I think Tyrias nails it, that's exactly how I ended up and started out doing it. It doesn't matter how poorly structured my writeups might've ended up (maybe for some people it does), I mostly just wrote whatever stood out as above or below average while the song was playing - just the key points. Then afterwards I tried giving the thing a bit of shape, but it wasn't my priority. Above all I just want to make sure my pro's and cons come across so the contestant knows what's up, even by adding a simple comment on the bridge, or the guitar tone, or maybe even the genre of the band, you can give the person who sent the song a bit of guidance.
I have no idea who Mr. Red is, but if he likes Sacul's submissions he is most likely not a human being :lol
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Yet he loved Being Human :neverusethis:
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That's a pretty interesting topic, and I think Tyrias nails it, that's exactly how I ended up and started out doing it. It doesn't matter how poorly structured my writeups might've ended up (maybe for some people it does), I mostly just wrote whatever stood out as above or below average while the song was playing - just the key points. Then afterwards I tried giving the thing a bit of shape, but it wasn't my priority. Above all I just want to make sure my pro's and cons come across so the contestant knows what's up, even by adding a simple comment on the bridge, or the guitar tone, or maybe even the genre of the band, you can give the person who sent the song a bit of guidance.
That's a fine approach I think. I actually do the write-ups while listening to the music too, but I usually listen to the song right before I start to write, then put the song on repeat while I'm writing.
Yet he loved Being Human :neverusethis:
Well we usually tend to appreciate some things only when we don't have them, so that makes sense.
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Anyway, sent. Wonder if my song will be the longest one in this round.
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I'm not in the lead because 425 doesn't love my songs enough :sadpanda:
Send better songs.
I've been trying to figure out how I do write-ups best in this roulette, since they were imo rather weak in my first roulette. At first I tried writing them in silence after my last listen of the songs, but that seemed to dry (and it was kind of boring to be honest :lol). So now what I'm doing is just writing them while I listen to the songs one last time, so what you get in my write-ups are immediate reactions. Sometimes this leads to moments where I'm not quite finished with one sentence and then there's an awesome moment and I just write something along the lines of "OMG and the solo is amazing". Not very sophisticated, but I guess it gets the point across rather nicely.
This is pretty much exactly what I do—I write them while I'm listening to the songs for the last time. I then decide what the score is after completing the writeup, though obviously I usually have a decent idea of what the score is going to be coming in. I try to do a few things in the writeups:
- Give a brief stylistic description of the song so that anyone reading along who doesn't know it has a general idea of what I'm talking about, and so that I can comment on how I feel about the style of music ("I don't usually like death metal" "I often love chill electronic stuff like this").
- Comment on a few general things that I liked about the song; i.e., the vocal melodies, the riffs, the atmosphere.
- If I had a definite favorite part, name that and comment on why I liked it.
- If there was something I disliked or was confused by about the song, comment specifically on that.
- Most importantly, sum up the writeup by giving a general sense of how I feel about the song, with the goal of having the feeling I'm describing match the score that I'm going to give. If I'm giving a 4.5/5.0, my writeup should be glowing. If I'm giving a 3.0/5.0, I still probably like the song, but I should give some sense of what held it back from me and what I didn't particularly care for.
The writeups are often derived in part from informal notes that I take during my first and second listens. Here's an example of how that process typically takes place:
Bent Knee - Being Human
First Listen:
Wow sad piano intro and then we go off into some weird riffing stuff. This song is creepy. The female singer is good but this is creepy. Why is she imagining my dead body! I mean this seems really avant garde and I’m not sure I like this much at all. I see this submitted all the time and now I’m confused because like I expected this great thing and I just don’t get much from this at all. Maybe it will grow but what
Second Listen/Score Guess:
I mean, I really like the intro, and the singer has a quite nice voice. Whenever it calms down and gets all subtle and she sings, it’s pretty solid. The instrumentation is just bizarre. Why is she imagining my dead body? This actually reaches something I would call a pretty good crescendo. So this has some stuff I like a fair bit and stuff that’s like eh. Right now 3. Could grow. We’ll see.
Which results in:
Sacul: Bent Knee - Being Human
Okay, so this a very, very strange song. It opens off with a very creepy, very soft piano intro that does its job nicely. The singer is unquestionably talented, and the melodies are strong
And then things just get weird. The song kind of alternates between these nice little piano parts and these big bombastic, abrasive sections of staccato intrumentation.
I’m going to be quite honest, on first listen, I was completely turned off. I didn’t like this song at all. It got better on repeated listens to the extent that I can make sense of what is going on the entire time. And there’s a significant amount of stuff that I genuinely like. The singer is quite talented and the vocal parts are all pretty good.
The downside: a lot of the instrumentation isn’t really my thing. The staccato parts are not that appealing to me, and I would definitely prefer the piano and vocal parts appearing in a somewhat different song. This is one of those songs that feels a little to me like it’s trying too hard to be different for the sake of being different. On the other hand, I really did like some things about it quite a bit. So while I don’t really get the roulette favorite status it seems that this might enjoy, it will get a decent score from me.
With a score of 3.0/5.0.
The result here is that I have some fairly long writeups. But from what I'm seeing in this conversation, people seem to prefer that, so that seems to be all good. Personally, I can't imagine distilling three or four listens and a week of thinking about a song into just one sentence like "I liked the heavy parts, but the singer was annoying. 3/5." And I totally understand people's frustration with that kind of writeup, so I try to err on the side of providing more detail rather than less.
I have no idea who Mr. Red is, but if he likes Sacul's submissions he is most likely not a human being :lol
This is true, and I can't say I've seen direct evidence that Mr. Red is human.
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I used to do the same write-up process for the first rounds of my v2, but then shit got busy and stopped doing it not to delay things. Might do it once more for the finals tho.
And Being Human is awesome for those of us who like creepy stuff :loser:
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I needed a song to use as an example, and since a main theme of the post already was "making fun of how I don't like a lot of what Sacul sends as well as he would like me to," the choice was obvious. :biggrin:
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:'(
I'm sending Merzbow in your round then.
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I don't know what that is, but I somehow doubt that I'll like it.
And Sacul, you know I appreciate you. I still haven't forgotten you sending me the best EP.
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Being Human was not creepy at all for me :lol. Also, I checked out that album and Being Human was one of the weaker songs on there, My highlights being In God We Trust, Battle Creek, Sunshine, Way Too Long and actually pretty much the whole album, cause it's that good.
And I think Merzbow is a noise artist, isn't he :metal?
Edit: Just checked him out and lasted 55 seconds before I had to turn it off again. Which was about 1/20th of the song :-X.
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those four are probably my 2-5 for the album :lol
Being Human is my favorite still though
I want a roulette with a host who really likes weird metal bcuz I am really into weird metal lately
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I'm not sending this song, but I'd like to share it here anyways (with any of the judges or other contestants or anyone else following), for those of you who haven't heard or seen it.
Tori Amos - "Me and A Gun" (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKzCxi2yf5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKzCxi2yf5s)
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3/5 have submitted thus far.
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Sent some trip-hop with cello :heart
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Sent some trip-hop with cello :heart
is this el manana or actual trip hop
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trve trip-hop, only for kvlt people
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ok just making sure bcuz rym lists gorillaz as trip-hop and el manana def has cello but if it's something else then i get to not know it at all and stay ignorant
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I've seen this posted in the What Album Are You Listening To? thread a few times by...someone. So, maybe you should know it. :P
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Google Translate doesn't seem to work for this page :-\
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It's because it's written in post-modern.
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I have sent, that should mean everybody's in.
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I have sent, that should mean everybody's in.
Correct.
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I'm not sending this song, but I'd like to share it here anyways (with any of the judges or other contestants or anyone else following), for those of you who haven't heard or seen it.
Tori Amos - "Me and A Gun" (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKzCxi2yf5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKzCxi2yf5s)
I just checked this out now and it's incredible. So emotional.
Also, I did my first listen of all the songs, and everything is fine for the theme. Scorpion did push it to the edge of what is acceptable in terms of male/female-ratio with his song.
My first impression of this round is pretty :heart.
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Scorpion did push it to the edge of what is acceptable in terms of male/female-ratio with his song.
I listened to it before passing it along and thought it was borderline, figured you should have the final say since it's your theme.
Also so that everyone knows: 425 and Mr. Red have not given me any themes, so the rest of this tier (and the roulette) is open.
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I just hope that that won't be reason for a deduction, but oh well.
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I just hope that that won't be reason for a deduction, but oh well.
No it won't. If I accept it it would be unfair to deduct you points. Either it fits the theme and I accept it or I have someone send another song, but I'm not going to deduct you points because I'm not certain of my own theme.
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Wow… This is probably the strongest round I have heard so far. There is a reason why you guys are in the top five. All of the songs are awesome.
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I'm not sending this song, but I'd like to share it here anyways (with any of the judges or other contestants or anyone else following), for those of you who haven't heard or seen it.
Tori Amos - "Me and A Gun" (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKzCxi2yf5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKzCxi2yf5s)
I just checked this out now and it's incredible. So emotional.
Maybe this should've been my submission :D
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You can expect my write-ups either tonight or tomorrow evening, depending on how confident I feel in my scores tonight.
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You can take all the time you want as long as you'll give me the best score of the round.
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We'll see about that ::). What I can say right now is that the worst song is still really good in this round.
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Yeah this thread really died down. Anyway, here are the newest additions to the banned list:
Amadeus Awad
Diablo Swing Orchestra
Mazzy Star
Nordic Giants
Saltillo
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Fade Into You or some other song?
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Fade Into You?
Correct.
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That's some strong competition then, I liked that song a lot and I can see it being quite appealing to Tyrias too.
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DSO, i wonder which song then
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I'm going out for dinner in an hour, write-ups either today or tomorrow depending on when I get home.
On my preliminaey scores, there’s only a 2.5 point difference between first and last place, so don't expect to gain or lose a lot of ground this round.
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You know, 2.5 is a lot with the current standings.
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Yeah, I didn’t realize standings were this tight, especially first/second and 3/4/5.
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I got home rather early and despite feeling pretty tired I decided to do the write-ups. I hope it’s not too obvious from my writing that I’m not really at my top right now ;).
Anyway, like I said this was a really strong round. Even if you’re one of the losers here, your song was still really good. The average score for this round is 13.2 for me, pretty sure that’s a new record. And I loved the diversity of genres in this one.
Senecadawg2: Mazzy Star - Fade Into You
This is a really calm, relaxed song. It has pretty monotonic acoustic guitars basically all the way through, with hardly any rhythmic variation, which provide the backdrop for her voice and some different, very calm instrumentation and rhythm. Those acoustic guitars are probably my least favourite part of the song, they are too repetitive for me (even though I know that’s exactly what they were supposed to achieve.)
Otherwise, this song is quite fantastic. I love the subtle instrumentation, her calm voice, the little rhythmic variations in the shakers (?) and the clean guitar tone of the electric guitar (as well as the melody). Still, the monotone acoustic guitars are what hold it back from competing with the top song of this round.
Nekov: Nordic Giants - Rapture
This is kind of post rock-y in nature, but condensed to not even 4 minutes, contrary to most post-rock I know. Her voice fits the feel of the song perfectly, somewhere between ethereal and poppy. I love the reverb-heavy, clean guitar tone. Even though it’s completely clean sounding, it still has that “punch” it needs in certain more climactic parts of the song. The drums also do a really good job of building up and releasing tension, and that vocal melody that appears regularly (kind of like a chorus) is absolutely beautiful.
You did a really good job for this round, especially considering you seemed so troubled by the theme beforehand. While this is not quite as good as the best song this round, it’s really damn close.
Evermind: Amadeus Awad - Lonesome Clown
This starts of really strong, setting the atmosphere for the whole song in the first few seconds and then expanding on that. Her voice seemed kind of a poor fit at the start the first time I heard the song, but by the end of the song she had won me over. This is another song with really good lyrics and a pretty relatable topic. After the strong start it continues at the same level of awesomeness for quite some time, but overall I feel this would have profited from trimming it down 1 or 2 minutes, especially in the second half after that awesome climax before the 5:45 mark. The calm section after that drags just the slightest bit, and a few sections afterwards suffer from a similar problem. What I loved in this song was the sparse but effective use of acoustic guitars to build up tension, the clever dynamic variations and use of recurring themes to keep it all together while still changing it up a bit. Not a big fan of the guitar tone in here, but it’s not enough to detract from the overall quality of the score.
Even though I really enjoyed this overall, you will probably lose a bit of ground in your chase for the first rank, and to some people behind you. And it’s kind of ironic that the only song I rated lower than yours was the one you called “fierce competition” just a few posts above this.
Sacul: Saltillo - Giving In
You seemed pretty confident in your pick, and not without reason. Again, you send me the highlight of the round. I think you won 3 out of 7 rounds in this roulette so far, at least from my perspective. I’m not usually that much into Trip-Hop, the only band I really know is Portishead, and they’re pretty hit and miss for me, but this is just almost 100% hit. I love the atmosphere here, and her voice is my favourite this round without question. The way she changes between really calm vocals during the stanza’s and then kind of wails in the chorus is amazing, especially with the equally wailing guitars in the background to double the effect. The cello at the start is pretty amazing as well.
I also really like the lyrics in this one. Usually I don’t really pay attention to lyrics, but when there are spoken world samples as well I kind of have to try and relate the lyrics to those. Even those Dj-disc scratches somewhere in the middle somehow add to the atmosphere instead of detracting from the song. Pretty close to a perfect song for me.
Scorpion: Diablo Swing Orchestra - Voodoo Mon Amour
In the first few seconds I thought this would be too chaotic for me, but when the trumpets kicked in it suddenly made sense and I started shaking along with the rhythm. This is clearly the odd one out in an already rather varied round, as in it’s the only really joyful and “dancy” song here. I’m having a hard time classifying this in terms of genre, as it mixes elements of swing with metal/hard rock instrumentation, without ever sounding like metal or hard rock, despite being quite heavy. It reminds me of a heavier version of Caravan Palace, and seeing as I love them and heavier music, this really tickles my fancy. There was really nothing here that stood out particularly to me, but this was a really stellar song.
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Yup, this basically screamed "Tyrias" to me, and I also loved it, so it was almost a no-brainer to me - I just hope the other judges like it :smiley:
Not that I thought about sending DSO, but that's a great choice Scorp :tup
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Awesome! I was going over some stuff on Spotify and when this band came around I knew I had something to send with female vocals. :D
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Don't really agree with both my writeup and Fade Into You one, but hey, tastes. Let's see if other judges will like my song more.
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Don't really agree with both my writeup and Fade Into You one, but hey, tastes. Let's see if other judges will like my song more.
What exactly don't you agree with? Just curious. Also, it should be said that I exaggerated some negative points a bit, just to make it clear which songs I liked most this round and which I liked slightly less. You would have been in the upper half or near the top with your song in most other rounds so far, this one was just really strong.
Also, I think you liked Arstidir when I sent them to you in your first Roulette, they just released a kind of neo-classical/folky album with Anneke van Giersbergen on vocals. It's quite good I think, and since you seem to like Anneke and Arstidir I thought it might interest you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRMqwnlWYoQ
Yup, this basically screamed "Tyrias" to me, and I also loved it, so it was almost a no-brainer to me - I just hope the other judges like it :smiley:
Not that I thought about sending DSO, but that's a great choice Scorp :tup
I'm still not sure how you do so well with me here when I completely failed your roulette :P.
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Not that I thought about sending DSO, but that's a great choice Scorp :tup
Thanks, and likewise (just checked out your song, holy shit, I love it). Let's hope the other judges agree (and dislike your song, but I'm not holding my breath on that :P ).
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Well, for instance, I like acoustic guitars on Fade Into You, and I don't think the calm part in my song drags and I also like Amadeus's guitar tone.
I know about that Arstidir / Anneke collaboration but haven't had time to check it out because roulette.
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Not that I thought about sending DSO, but that's a great choice Scorp :tup
Thanks, and likewise (just checked out your song, holy shit, I love it). Let's hope the other judges agree (and dislike your song, but I'm not holding my breath on that :P ).
Just randomly jumping into this thread because the person sending DSO in Genowyn's roulette (and I'm pretty sure it was you) turned me on to Pandora's Pińata and I actually just bought it, I think you sent Black Box Messiah and it's really awesome.
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Not that I thought about sending DSO, but that's a great choice Scorp :tup
Thanks, and likewise (just checked out your song, holy shit, I love it). Let's hope the other judges agree (and dislike your song, but I'm not holding my breath on that :P ).
Just randomly jumping into this thread because the person sending DSO in Genowyn's roulette (and I'm pretty sure it was you) turned me on to Pandora's Pińata and I actually just bought it, I think you sent Black Box Messiah and it's really awesome.
You're welcome! I'd recommend checking their previous album, Sing-Along Songs for the Damned and Delirious. I think it's highs are quite a bit higher than Pandora's Pinata's highs, but it's nowhere near as consistent - the opening trio of songs on that one is probably the best thing that DSO have done, though, and the closing track is stunning as well.
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Noted :tup
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Mazzy Star - Fade Into You
Not going to lie, but this song takes me back. I have heard this song before (but didn't realize this was one I've heard until I started listening), but I never heard the full song. It is used in one of my favorite movies of my adolescence, in a very pivotal scene, but only part of a verse and a chorus. So when I hear this song I think of this scene. The rest of the song is very similar to the rest, so it's pretty repetitive, but that was the case in early to mid 90s alternative rock. The whole song had a very calming effect overall that I really enjoyed. Well done.
Nordic Giants - Rapture
I'm not really sure how to classify this song genre-wise... it starts synthy and almost ambient, but then BOOM this wall of sound comes with the vocals. I really enjoyed that part. There is a lot happening at once. Even though the song repeats that WE RISE part many times, it still manages to build up towards the end. I really enjoyed this.
Amadeus Awad - Lonesome Clown
This song was pretty much the only metal-like song in the whole round. It was enjoyable, but not my favorite. The vocalist's voice does fit the song, but the nasal quality of her voice did wear on me after a bit. The instrumental section in the middle didn't really go anywhere and went on and on... it probably could have been cut in half. Where this song really shone was the last third of the song with the acoustic guitar when she sings about forgiveness... that was my favorite section of the song. Overall decent, but not my favorite.
Saltillo - Giving In
This trip-hoppy sound is really good. The vocalist reminds me of Dolores O'Riordan from The Cranberries which fits like a puzzle piece in this type of song. Hard to believe this song was released about a decade after the height of popularity of this type of song. This was excellent. Well done.
Diablo Swing Orchestra - Voodoo Mon Amour
What is this!?! Metal swing!? This is pretty creative. While it's not my favorite it's damn fun to listen to. The vocals are quirky which is perfect for this type of song. In this genre style this song has it all - the fun vocals, great horn section, and driving beat. It's not my favorite genre of music, but I would love to dive into a bit more of this.
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the part where everyone gets high points and the roulette standings don't change much
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I've been getting deep into trip-hop for the last year or so, and that Saltillo album was also one of my favorite discoveries of 2015 :heart
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Yeah, I suspected my song could be a miss for Mr. Red.
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425 results:
(Sacul) Saltillo - Giving In
lol more like Giving Up, amirite? :P
Just kidding, really liked this song. 3/5.
:angel:
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Hopefully, this afternoon or evening from me. Sorry for the slowness, y'all!
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425 results:
(Sacul) Saltillo - Giving In
lol more like Giving Up, amirite? :P
Just kidding, really liked this song. 3/5.
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No, that would be one of your write-ups. 425's write-ups are significantly longer than that ::).
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I give that writeup a +1.5/5
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:'(
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:lol i love this thread
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I give that writeup a +1.5/5
I would give it a -0.5/5, personally.
But, fortunately for Sacul, that's not what I would give his song.
:lol i love this thread
I do too. ;D
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Here come round 7 writeups. This may be my favorite round of the roulette (though it's hard to judge the quality of a round of 5 versus that of a round of 9). Five strong submissions here. Which, of course, means that there's less differentiation between a lot of your scores than some of you may have been hoping for... But that's not my responsibility!
So, very diverse round, very strong round. I liked it a lot. One song was one of my favorites of the whole roulette. So here are the writeups.
Evermind: Amadeus Awad - Lonesome Clown
Leave it to Evermind to send a song that takes up almost half the total length of the round. :lol
This is a pretty cool, epic piece of prog rock/metal. The long intro is very strong and sets the dark mood for the rest of the song pretty perfectly. Anneke comes in to provide the vocals, and I’ve decided I really like her. The melodies she has here are very strong and she gives a pretty emotional performance. I’m not quite sure what she’s singing about, but I know from the words I can hear (“I filled your lungs with toxic gas”? “I lost my crown”?) and her intonation that it’s pretty serious and dark.
The heavy riffs that come in and out of this song are placed pretty well. This song succeeds so well at being very dark and desperate without the metal instrumentation in there that when the riffing does come in, it doesn’t feel obligatory, it feels like it’s just another part of the musical landscape that contributes further to the mood.
The interlude fits perfectly well into the song. It’s a bit long, but I think it’s fine as part of a piece this long, and is probably welcome in the context of a full album. The buildup out of the interlude is pretty awesome as well, so there’s a good payoff. The voiceover is pretty creepy, but it fits well into the song, so no complaints there.
Nekov: Nordic Giants ft. Beth Cannon - Rapture
Here’s one of several songs this round that is really just very beautiful. This one features a sort of ethereal rock sound and a really soft, pretty female vocalist. She’s really the highlight of this song for me, as I really love this type of high, soft, almost fragile-sounding female singing. And they give her some really good haunting melodies to sing.
That said, the instrumentation here is good as well. I love the sense of dynamics in this song, where there are some quiet parts interspersed with those loud choruses and whatever is causing that loud, clear percussive sound. There’s a solid atmosphere created on this one as a result of those dynamics.
The thing that limits this somewhat for me is that it seems a little too repetitive given how short it is. That isn’t really a problem so much as a limit on how much I like this one. There’s nothing wrong here at all, it’s just not one of my favorite songs this time.
Sacul: Saltillo - Giving In
Meh. :neverusethis:
Just kidding. I really like this. This is my favorite hip/trip-hop song that you’ve sent me. The atmosphere is strong here, as it seems to be in a lot of songs from this genre. The difference here is that the strong atmosphere is paired with a really strong singer who gives a fantastic performance on this song. She does a good job of providing a somewhat subdued performance that fits in with the mood of the song while still being powerful when necessary.
I still don’t understand the need for disc scratching stuff, but here it doesn’t significantly detract too much. I’d prefer that it wasn’t there, but it doesn’t really bother me that it is.
Congratulations, Sacul, you’ve finally managed to send me a trip hop song that I really like and to which I have no significant objections.
Scorpion: Diablo Swing Orchestra - Voodoo Mon Amour
This is one of the more unusual songs of the roulette, I’ll definitely give it that. I guess I would characterize this as swing metal, and I have to say it’s an interesting concept. It’s pretty bizarre to hear the brass instruments playing in conjunction with heavy metal riffs, but it’s also pretty cool.
Unfortunately, the downside is that sometimes with stuff that is bizarre stylistically, to the point where it seems almost like a novelty, it can get kind of stuck in a novelty box for me and that can inhibit me from liking it as well as some other things. This song does succeed in breaking out of that box… somewhat. The songwriting is strong enough to definitely make it worthy of attention for reasons that go beyond its novelty status. The vocal melodies may not be outstanding but they're strong enough, and the instrumental work is very strong.
My biggest issue is the style of the vocalists. I suppose I understand what they’re going for, but both singers have strange singing styles that don’t really connect with me. So that’s something that keeps this one back for me a little bit. But even so, I definitely did like this song as more than just a novelty.
senecadawg2: Mazzy Star - Fade Into You
It’s either very strange or totally logical that in a round with dynamic post rock, swing metal, trip hop and a 12 minute epic, all of them very good songs, that my favorite of this round would be arguably the simplest and most accessible one.
This song is just beautiful. It doesn’t try to be more than what it is, but what it is is amazing. The singer’s voice is absolutely perfectly suited to this song, she does a stellar job and really draws me into this on an emotional level. The guitars, piano and other instruments aren’t really doing anything complicated, but they’re doing exactly what is necessary for the song, and they don’t get boring. The voice and instrumentation, particularly the lead guitar, create a nice tapestry of beautiful melodies that result in an emotionally moving song that is my favorite of this round and among my favorites of the roulette. I really love this song, so the only question here is whether the 5 goes before or after the decimal point.
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Scoreboard
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Even in the round where I like Sacul's song, the other judges still score it better than I do :lol
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:sadpanda:
Ok I have a few songs planned for you, I'll give them a last spin to choice and send in about an hour.
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Phew, I thought I was going to lost that second place from the look of green / red judge writeups.
Now it's the blue round, which means Sacul is screwed either way. Let's see what I've got for this one.
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Sent. I have a little hope this one will do very well :smiley:
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Now it's the blue round, which means Sacul is screwed either way. Let's see what I've got for this one.
It's okay, Sacul, I'm sure you'll send something I love just when it's too late to help you yet again. ;)
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*ties a noose*
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Let's have a little throwback, shall we? ;)
Sacul
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This was the best EP I received. A spectacular set of songs and a very good running order. Well done.
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Score: 20.0 + 0.5 bonus = 20.5
Final Standings:
1. Scorpion - 81.5
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T2. Sacul - 81.0
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that was 42015, this year you're neo-425 the terminator
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Cyberdyne Systems model T-425
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Wow! Just 4 points between top and bottom!
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I think this is the first round where my average score is the highest of the 3 judges (taking into account that I rate out of 15 and they out of 5 of course). I'm losing my touch.
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God dammit, what is this. I get a 13.5, a 4 and a 4.5, which is just three fucking points lower than the maximum that I could get in a round and I'm still falling behind. Screw you guys
I'm going home.
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God dammit, what is this. I get a 13.5, a 4 and a 4.5, which is just three fucking points lower than the maximum that I could get in a round and I'm still falling behind. Screw you guys I'm going home.
In fact, something is wrong with your score. You should have 143.
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Doesn't change Scorpion's placement, but at least he's only half a point behind.
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Actually the 4.5 from Mr. Red was the mistake as he only scored 4. So Scrop is actually a little further behind.
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Things are getting pretty tight. I'm not near my computer and I won't be for nearly a week but I'll try to send something soon
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If you know that what you want to send is on Spotify, you can just let me know the artist and song title, if it helps.
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I think this is the first round where my average score is the highest of the 3 judges (taking into account that I rate out of 15 and they out of 5 of course). I'm losing my touch.
Mine probably would be slightly higher if they were out of 15. Evermind's would have been a 12.5 pushing 13, Sacul's would have been a 12.5, and Nekov's would have been an 11 pushing 11.5. This just ended up being a round where I had several that were on the cusp of two scores and got rounded down.
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I think this is the first round where my average score is the highest of the 3 judges (taking into account that I rate out of 15 and they out of 5 of course). I'm losing my touch.
Mine probably would be slightly higher if they were out of 15. Evermind's would have been a 12.5 pushing 13, Sacul's would have been a 12.5, and Nekov's would have been an 11 pushing 11.5. This just ended up being a round where I had several that were on the cusp of two scores and got rounded down.
I think you will really like the whole album, you should check it out if you have the chance.
I'll send my song after I'm done with the results in my roulette. Got a few to choose from.
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It's definitely going on my list. :tup
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Sent some awesome progressive rock. Didn't put much thought into this one, just went with the great song I had lined up for another roulette.
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Sent
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Just waiting on Scrop now.
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Not anymore.
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I've passed everything along. :metal
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Btw, my scoring in the previous round is still not correct: 121 + 13.5 + 4 + 4 = 142.5, not 142.
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Yes.
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So I did my first listen for Round 8, and after how strong last round was I was pretty underwhelmed. There's nothing I can see reaching the high moments of last round. Some good moments here and there, but that’s it. There’s potential for growth though, so I guess we'll see how a few more listens change my opinion.
On a slightly related note, we do have a roulette winner for "most hipster song of the roulette" in here. You can guess who sent it ::).
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well this isn't a Tyrias round so it makes sense
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Kind of, but in the last 2 trios 425s rounds were stronger than mine, especially round 5. Let's see what he thinks.
Also, at least 2 songs here I can totally see people sending to me. The other 3 would be more risky, given how I've been grading in this roulette.
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Yeah there's no guarantee that the primary judge is going to like it any more...
Seems I've wowed the secondary judges multiple times with songs that didn't do much for the primary. Last round in particular.
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Probably my song is the hipster one, but I didn't send Swans, Death Grips, nor Neutral Milk Hotel, so who knows :P
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I heard a death grips song recently and hated it but that was no surprise
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What song? Just curious :P
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don't even remember
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Jusz listened to Get Got by death grips and this is so HIPSTER you basically have to write HIPSTER in all capital to do the amount of HIPSTERNESS in there justice.
How can I tell? I have no idea if I enjoyed it or not :lol
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Almost went to the 2nd page. This thread needs moore activity.
Activity meaning results
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Let's have a little throwback, shall we? ;)
Sacul
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This was the best EP I received. A spectacular set of songs and a very good running order. Well done.
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Score: 20.0 + 0.5 bonus = 20.5
Final Standings:
1. Scorpion - 81.5
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T2. Sacul - 81.0
Now I understand bands that, despite making lots of efforts, can't seem to top their past efforts :'(
Jusz listened to Get Got by death grips and this is so HIPSTER you basically have to write HIPSTER in all capital to do the amount of HIPSTERNESS in there justice.
How can I tell? I have no idea if I enjoyed it or not :lol
Oh yes, that album is fedora-core stuff :P
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I've just updated the banned list with the following:
Alt-J
David Gray
Galahad
Papadosio
Rishloo
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I wonder what Rishloo song was sent :corn
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You can expect results from me tomorrow evening or afternoon, I feel like I still need to listen to the songs more because they're still kind of blurry in my mind.
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Hm, I wonder who sent David Gray.
:neverusethis:
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As promised, Round 5 results are here.
senecadawg2 David Gray - "Shine" (Live) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAIcMg8zz6k
You got really lucky with this one. I’m not sure if I’d enjoy this song as much if it weren’t beginning of spring. But it is, and this just perfectly captures the feeling when it finally gets sort of warm-ish, there’s sun outside and you can finally go out without a jacket again. It’s that butterflies-in-your-stomach feeling you get when you’re happy about life in general, and can’t really pinpoint what exactly you’re happy about.
Musically, this is definitely the most simple song this round, just a man with his guitar. Nevertheless, it does so much more for me on an emotional level than anything else this round and is the clear winner here. I’m not sure why I never checked out David Gray after you send me a song of him in my last roulette (I remember really liking it), but I’ll have to remedy that now.
Evermind Galahad - Empires Never Last
My first few listens of this were so underwhelming. Basically I started listening to the son, thought ‘that’s a cool bass line’, zoned out, then there were a few heavier moments a few minutes later and there was some kind of chorus that I couldn’t really recall. But otherwise nothing stuck with me.
That said, it’s still not amazing, but it grew on me a bit. The chorus is actually kind of catchy, and while I don’t remember anything in particular a few minutes after finishing the song (well, except for the chorus), I enjoy listening to it quite a bit. It’s just a bit lacking in the melody department, but it plays around nicely with dynamics and the heavier parts near the end are really cool.
Sacul Alt-J - Taro
You guessed right, this is the most hipster song of the roulette so far. No surprise that you sent it. Hipster doesn’t mean bad though, as this one is quite enjoyable. It has a nice atmosphere, relatively happy. Nothing here really stands out except for that weird djinga-djinga string instrument part that gets repeated a few times (mostly in the second half) and seems to come out of nowhere, but for some reason fits amazingly well. I love how happy that sounds. And then there are the obligatory hipster crowd-hey-shouts. They seem a bit ridiculous, but not enough so that I would really mind them. So overall, nice song, one of the stronger ones this round.
Scorpion Rishloo - Downhill
For my first few listens, this was about as underwhelming as Evermind’s song. It grew on me a bit with further listens, though. It suffers from the same problem, though: The melodies are not particularly memorable, and while I enjoy it quite a bit while listening to it, I’ll never remember anything about it after finishing.
Stilistically, this is pretty much progressive rock with a bit of a more accessible side. I think I prefer the second part to the first, my favourite part being the last 2 minutes when it gets more busy and the vocals become rougher. That’s what pushes it up half a point from the score I was originally going to give.
Nekov Papadosio - Direction Song
Well, first let me say that I think the title of this song is really stupid. Yes, we got that it’s a song, you don’t need to spell it out in the title, thank you.
Other than the title, this is largely driven by electronics, though not in a dancy way, closer to ambient with a bit more going on. Overall, I’d say it’s good, has a nice atmosphere. It’s good to listen to, but I don’t think I would ever feel the need to turn it on and actually sit down and listen to this. I imagine it could be nice background music for some less mentally demanding work, but that’s about it.
Overall, I'd say this was one of the weaker rounds, but still I enjoyed it quite a bit. Also, looking at the standings and adding my scores, it gets really tight here in some places. I'm curious what Red and 425 will have to say.
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Um, really, I guess it's either a tastes thing or you just didn't pay enough attention. I've sent this song in roulettes before, and while some people said they thought the song kind of dragged, and other people said they liked it a lot, I thought there was a general agreement the vocal melodies were by far the most memorable part of this song.
Hell, I've re-listened to this tune before I sent it here, and I'm humming the melodies of this song ever since. The chorus is such an earworm. I hope the other judges will agree with me.
Basically I started listening to the son, thought ‘that’s a cool bass line’, zoned out, then there were a few heavier moments a few minutes later and there was some kind of chorus that I couldn’t really recall. But otherwise nothing stuck with me.
Your son probably took all the attention, you should've focused on the actual tune I sent you. :neverusethis:
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I don't even have a son, or any kids for that matter :lol. Typos are a bitch, especially when the result is till a correct word and it's not flagged as a mistake.
It might have also been that there were just some more catchy melodies in this round, so I remembered those instead of your song :P.
In other news, I just checked David Gray's discography and it's kind of daunting, I have no idea where to start. Any tips, seneca? ::)
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Well, different strokes for different folks I guess. I think both the verses and the chorus are super-catchy. That's why I loved that song in the first place.
I'm not Nelson, but let me guess... start with A Century Ends. :biggrin:
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Yeah, I know this wasn't the best choice but it's getting increasingly hard to finds things to send and not being repetitive. All judges have enjoyed the post rock songs I've sent I have some more bands I could use but again, I'm trying to have some variety. Of course, if the other judges also have a negative review I'll go back to sending post-rock because I really want to win this thing :lol
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Typos are a bitch, especially when the result is till a correct word and it's not flagged as a mistake.
Irony is when you write a sentence about making typos and then 5 minutes later you realize there's a typo in it :lol.
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Since we're at it don't you want to review the scores you gave in case you made a typo? :P
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I'm actually pretty sure of my scores this time around ::).
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this is my direction song
take back my complexion song
prove I'm all injection song
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It's that Brahmatron song
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Hm, I wonder who sent David Gray.
:neverusethis:
You sly dog you.
Glad you enjoyed the song Mr. Tyrias! I'd forgotten that I ever sent you a David Gray song in your first roulette, but I guess no harm no foul ;)
As for recommendations... I once sent El Scorpio an essay on this topic. To spare you the that I robbed from him, I'll just give you my personal ranking. Year of release included, so that you can see it's not at all a matter of improving (or degrading) over time.
Life in Slow Motion (2005)
Flesh (1994)
A Century Ends (1993)
White Ladder (1998)
A New Day at Midnight (2002)
Sell, Sell, Sell (1996)
Foundling (2010)
Draw the Line (2009)
Lost Songs (released in 2001 but actually a compilation album of songs written and performed between '95 and '98)
Mutineers (2014)
For more of the same--Shine and the like--you'll probably be best suited with A Century Ends (Ruslan knows what's up) or Flesh. I prefer Flesh by the smallest amount, but both are worth a listen. I prefer Life in Slow Motion to both of them, again by the smallest amount, but that has a different feel altogether. He's working with a full band, more expansive sound, some electronics and an overall more-polished production (also, much more Pop oriented and piano-driven).
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*tips fedora*
:hat
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Dammit. I don't see how that song is boring at all, but oh well. Tastes and all that.
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I hope you listened to my song with that hi-fi system of yours, Tyrias ;)
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I hope you listened to my song with that hi-fi system of yours, Tyrias ;)
nope, wasn't accessible. Listened over my computer speakers (which are still decent) and good headphones. I don't think it would change my appreciation for the song, though.
Dammit. I don't see how that song is boring at all, but oh well. Tastes and all that.
If it's any consolation, I can see the other judges liking it more than I did.
@seneca: I downloaded Life in Slow Motion and A Century Ends, will report back once I find time to listen.
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I downloaded Life in Slow Motion and A Century Ends, will report back once I find time to listen.
:tup :tup
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So, how are the other judges coming along?
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Hi, everybody, sorry about the delay. If you check my forum activity, you can see that I've been pretty inactive the past few days and the Iron Maiden survivor has fallen by the wayside. The past few days have been unexpectedly busy and unexpectedly rough for me (nothing too awful, just mental friendship issues and mental health stuff), so I haven't had the time or interest to go on DTF. But now that it's the weekend, I can take some time off and catch up on the roulette.
I listened once on Tuesday, I think, and since I wasn't in a good place then, I didn't really enjoy the songs that much at the time. I'm listening for a second time right now and liking them a lot better. I'm going to go ahead and peg tomorrow night as the likely time for results. I want to listen twice more, so that'll be either tonight or tomorrow morning plus tomorrow night when I do the writeups and scores.
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I lied. Didn't happen yesterday. Happening now.
Overall, I'd say this was one of the weaker rounds, but still I enjoyed it quite a bit.
This is exactly what I thought about this round. Though the average quality was pretty good, there wasn't anything that really comes close to being a standout here. That's reflected in the fact that the highest score of this round is the second-lowest top round score that I've given (if you adjust the scale, obviously).
That said, I did like everything here. The result is that things are pretty tight in my scores, but since the standings are pretty tight as well, these could end up making a difference.
Evermind: Galahad - Empires Never Last
Here is a lengthy prog metal song that I like a fair bit. This one develops a bit slowly, which is fine, because there’s some good instrumentation at the beginning. It’s maybe drawn out a little too slowly, but I enjoy the synths that are played during the intro, so it’s not a huge detractor.
This round featured singers from a few different styles, but I think I was really positive on every single one of them. This guy may not be extraordinary, but I’d say I like his style and tone better than that of a lot of prog metal singers. He does well on the nice big choruses that this song has, which also have some slightly cheesy synths that I like. The verses are nice but not extraordinary. There might be one verse/chorus too many.
The instrumental section here is pretty good—I like the reference to back to the intro and the choral parts that come in over the guitar lead right before the solo.
This is one of those prog metal songs where I think there’s a lot to like, but I find myself wondering whether it absolutely needed to be 9 minutes. There’s not a lot of excess material in this one, but I do feel like it’s a bit longer than it could have been. Good song besides that, though.
Nekov: Papadosio - Direction Song
Alright, this is a nice electronic rockish song that I like quite a bit. The instrumentation is that type of electronic instrumentation that I definitely like because I think it creates an enjoyable atmosphere, so that’s something that I like about this song. There’s some good percussive elements as well as some interesting melodic stuff.
The vocal parts are definitely the highlights for me. I really like the soft tone that the lead singer has here, and there are some very pleasant-sounding harmonies as well. Plenty of good melodies as well. The vocal part starting at around the 3 minute part is the best part of the song. The repetition of “direction” at the end of that section provides a nice uplifiting feel that I definitely like.
Sacul: Alt-J - Taro
This is definitely a Sacul submission. We all know how that can be something that I love or something that I “meh” (as Sacul puts it). I’m sure it’s not unintentional that this song avoids all of the various things that can cause me to “meh” a Sacul submission.
So do I like this? Yes, I do. Very much. There’s a strong atmosphere and a very good sense of melody, which are two things that we know by now are important to me. The main “riff” is extremely catchy in a good way. It sticks in my head for hours. The instrumentation seems to be diverse and it’s really somewhat impressive how well things are layered at times.
The clincher for me might be the unusual vocal melodies. I don’t know how to describe what I like about these melodies, because I certainly don’t like all unusual vocal melodies, but there’s something about the way that these are just off from what you might expect them to be while still being pleasing to the ear that makes them particularly memorable for me.
Definitely like this song. It’s not a home run, but it’s a definite success with me. Lyrics are weird, though.
Scorpion: Rishloo - Downhill
I’ve had a hard time nailing down my precise feelings on this prog rock song. There’s certainly a lot here that I like. The vocalist is really good. I love to hear a singer with this style, because he has a solid range and a nice tone. He gets some pretty good melodies to work with, as well. The intro is good, and there are several verses where I just feel like the vocal melodies flow nicely.
Instrumentally, there are some good moments as well. I like the guitar work, particularly on the quiet sections. Speaking of, there’s a good sense of dynamics between the loud sections and quiet ones, particularly when the song bursts out of its quiet middle section a little over halfway through. There’s another nice change of dynamics around the 7-minute mark.
I like a lot about this song. It’s quite good. I have felt like there is something missing from it, and I think it’s that there’s not a strong sense of resolution. It’s only 8 minutes, but it goes through a lot of shifts during that time, so I would have liked for there to be a stronger climax and resolution. That could be a function of taking it out of album context, but that’s the only downside for me. Still a good song.
senecadawg2: David Gray - Shine (Live)
This is a nice simple song, with just an acoustic guitar and voice. There’s something about the absence of bells and whistles here that just focuses everything on pure songwriting and individual performance.
David Gray has a voice that is perfectly suited for this style of music. He brings a somewhat folky vibe that compliments acoustic guitar very well and brings a lot of power and emotional weight ot a song like this. There are a lot of moments here where I’m impressed by his pure vocal power and the fact that he’s doing this live while playing guitar. His guitar playing is not exceedingly complex, but it’s just what the song needs.
Overall, this is a well-written, simple, positive song. I want to like this song somewhat more than I actually ended up liking it; it doesn’t blow me away like it did for Tyrias. But I do like it a good bit and certainly find it to be an enjoyable listen.
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:D
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Nice, I guess. Or not. I pretty much lost all the hype during these 10 days (and counting) you guys are taking to rate five songs.
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Yeah, sorry about that. As I said, I had some personal stuff going on last week which caused the delay. If I hadn't taken that delay I probably would have been giving single digit scores that had no bearing on how I liked the songs since I was in no mood to listen to new music.
Took me a week last time, which I'll admit isn't great, but it's not too much longer than the roulette standard.
I don't know what's going on with the Red Judge.
I think one of the problems that has been clear from the three judges thing is that it's easy to let things slip since you aren't solely responsible for being on time. I know I don't feel truly on the clock until Tyrias posts, and I imagine that the Red Judge has something of the same going on.
I really apologize for my slowness in this. You are right that it is a bit of a bummer. I'll work hard to be faster in the last three rounds.
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You can compensate me by upping my score :angel:
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sacul you didn't review my ep yet where's the review :loser:
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I've got Mr. Red's writeups, just let me plug the scores into the spreadsheet and make the scoreboard, and I'll post.
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Evermind: Galahad - Empires Never Last
A very good prog metal song, I love the drive the song has from the get go. I'm trying to put my finger on who the vocalist reminds me of, but I can't think of it. It's driving me nuts. The instrumentation is very good and it has a solid instrumental section with a very good guitar solo.
The song doesn't drag at all, but it sure takes a long time to build up from the intro to the thematic material that grows into the first verse. Almost 2 minutes of intro material, and then the verse/intro... No vocals until almost 3 minutes in. It works, but to be honest with all that filler material my mind did start to wander. The chorus is GREAT and almost makes up for that. Because that stuck with me the song isn't as low as I'd rate it if there was nothing that was particularly memorable.
Nekov: Papadosio - Direction Song
The vocals at the beginning of this song remind me of a song dear to my heart (I will not divulge because it would give me away). I love the use of synthesizers.
This song has a chill vibe to it that I can imagine myself listening to driving home after a party on a Saturday night through the city. It has that vibe. I love that vibe. That chill, smooth, almost jazzy sound is maintained throughout the entire piece. Still, there wasn't anything super memorable about this track that stood out for me... I mean the song is called Direction Song, he even sings "Give me some direction" and it's like someone was like "OK, go that way" and it's a stretch of highway that doesn't have anything interesting on it. Still, it's got a very good beat and works exactly for what it is.
Sacul: Alt-J - Taro
This song is very... interesting. Again, it has this chill vibe to it... The vocals are very unique (not my cup of tea stylistically, but works in the song), the lyrics are very unique... this song is very unique. Not surprised you submitted this, dude.
That mandolin though... I like the use of it in the chorus.
However, this song made me want to go to sleep. It was almost TOO chill. I don't know. Again, nothing too special here in my opinion. I did enjoy it, but didn't stand out to me.
Scorpion: Rishloo - Downhill
There was a lot I enjoyed in this song; the vocalist was great, the guitar sound used was good... I really enjoyed the 2nd half of the song. But after I heard it several times I still couldn't remember anything specific that I had listened to. That's not good. The song was just...there. You know? I mean there's elements I enjoy in the process of listening to it but there's nothing that I can say "OH I LOVED THIS PART". I would be willing to listen to this band a bit more but this song just seemed weak compared to the potential I heard. I don't know.
Senecadawg2: David Gray - Shine (Live)
Shocking that you'd send a David Gray song.
Gotta be honest, I've never heard this song, but I do own White Ladder so I can't say I'm completely unfamiliar with his music. Babylon is my jam. But this song just is David Gray. I love it. It's full of emotion amongst simplicity. That's the mark of a GREAT singer/songwriter. The fact that it's basically 2 chords throughout the entire song but lyrics wise and vocal wise you can still build up to a very emotional climax at the end just shows not only what kind of songwriter he is but what kind of performer he is. Good song.
Alright, we're now entering Mr. Red's round 9. This is the last round of the tier, the last before the finals, and also the last round to feature the primary/secondary judge system. Two more of you will be eliminated after this round. Good luck.
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Oh shit, I'm just point from the lead... but also a point away from the axe :o :(
sacul you didn't review my ep yet where's the review :loser:
I'm scared of listening to 128 kbps files :P
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oh, i forgot to change audacity's settings, nice
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Alright, I'll send something today. Funny, I kind of want to make the finals now that I'm so close but I also don't really care if I get the axe.
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oh, i forgot to change audacity's settings, nice
Resend then :P
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nah, then it wouldn't be my "EP I made in 15 minutes"
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Then I'll have to find the songs on YT or Spotify and screw your 15-min work :P
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alright, if you look up the songs on youtube, expect:
1. the first track to be two tracks
2. the third track to have a minute and a half of ambience at the end
3. the sixth track to be 8 minutes longer
4. the seventh track to be a minute longer
i mean, or you could just listen to mp3's conveniently arranged and modified for the optimal listening experience
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> optimal listening experience
> 128kbps
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i'll never understand audiophiles
i legit can't tell the difference between listening to .wav quality on CD's and 128kbps mp3's at all
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To be quite honest, I have little experience listening to 128kbps, so I don't know if I'd notice it. If I remember correctly, scientifically speaking, it becomes practically impossible to distinguish once you get above 256kbps. So I rip everything at 256kbps. I have the highest quality that matters and I'm not using up four times the storage having lossless.
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maybe i'll go back and rerip all my CD's at 256kbps then, i have more than enough hard drive space :lol
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Then you're either a bit deaf because of listening to music too loud, or your equipment isn't sophisticated enough to tell the difference :P
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i mean yeah neither my speakers or earbuds are top of the line so
i'm legit not gonna resend the ep tho because i can't be bothered so either you don't listen to it and remain eternally curious or listen to the low-quality files and have your ears bleed, either way i get to see you suffer
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Well, if it puts pressure on the other judges if I upload my results fater, then i guess I'll just try to take 2 days after getting the songs. Shouldn't be too hard with only 5 songs, unless everyone starts sending 15 min epics :lol.
Also, Spotify standard quality is not much more than 128kbps, and it still sounds ok I think.
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Also, Spotify standard quality is not much more than 128kbps, and it still sounds ok I think.
Actually it's much better than that because Spotify doesn't use MP3 as its codec, it uses Ogg Vorbis.
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Well, I thought I'd do worse with that song so that's a relief. Let's see if I can find something to send that will keep me alive for the finals.
i legit can't tell the difference between listening to .wav quality on CD's and 128kbps mp3's at all
I never could, until I started buying King Crimson Cds and I started noting slight differences. It does make a difference with certain artists though for me it's still minimum.
Also, Spotify standard quality is not much more than 128kbps, and it still sounds ok I think.
Actually it's much better than that because Spotify doesn't use MP3 as its codec, it uses Ogg Vorbis.
I had never heard of that format before.
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I had never heard of that format before.
It's almost as old as MP3 is. It was created as an open source freeware alternative to MP3 while also offering better sound quality (though still lossy compression). But MP3 was already too big so it never really gained much ground. I don't think anyone other than Spotify really gives a shit about it anymore.
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Sent!
It's an absolute classic and, in my opinion, timeless. One of the greatest and most incredible guitar solos you'll ever hear--always provokes a very visceral response in me. I sent the same song to Ruslan in his roulette. My only regret is that I can't save it for the final two rounds. Unfortunately, it's so tight right now that I don't want to risk missing out on those final rounds. Not that this guarantees me a place, but I think it's one of the strongest submissions I've put forth. Top 3, at least.
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Ohshit, dunno if sending my best song to secure a place in the top 3, or try to pass with whatever I have :dangerwillrobinson:
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Sent
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Just thought of a awesome track that would've been (in my opinion) a great one to send in Tyrias' or 425's round. Never even considered that band before but now that I think of it, I could get a great score with this one. Or maybe not. Of course, there's that problem it's not Tyrias' or 425's round now. :lol
Will send in the next hour anyway.
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Can I send a 36-min song? :angel:
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Sent. Went with a different tune though.
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Can I send a 36-min song? :angel:
If you wanna raise your chances if not makig the finals, feel free. It’s not against the rules.
I'm interested in that awesome track, Evermind.
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Can I send a 36-min song? :angel:
If you wanna raise your chances if not makig the finals, feel free. It’s not against the rules.
I'm interested in that awesome track, Evermind.
See, now it's in your interest to rank my song higher so I can get to the finals and send you the awesome track.
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Can I send a 36-min song? :angel:
Only if it has a ton of glitches and record scratches.
Or if your username is "Parama."
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It actually has lots of glitches :lol
I'll send later, I want to think this carefully :P
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You may want to consider my general feelings towards glitches, my likely feelings towards 36 minutes of glitches, and the fact that, while I'm only 5 out of your 25 points, this is a pretty tight contest.
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Oh the glitches are a small part of it, I'm sure you'll all love the song regardless of length ;)
I basically have no confidence in another song rn, so I'll decide what to do later.
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Just waiting on Sacul and Scrop to send.
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Sent one of the best songs of the year.
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Is it the 36-minute one or is it a different one?
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A different one - the 36-min epic is reserved to the finals if I make it to them. Realised you'd probably not appreciate it enough on this round :angel:
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I mean my score will be worth twice as much in the finals, but at least I would be happier about only having two other songs to listen to in addition to the ridiculously long one instead of four.
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I'm actually really curious about that song now :lol.
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It's Cassandra Gemini with the first chapter of the song played twice.
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I'm actually really curious about that song now :lol .
Make sure I get to the finals and I'll send it your way :neverusethis:
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Scorp still hasn't submitted anything but the other four submissions are in the judges' inboxes.
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he sent John Cage 4'33"
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he sent John Cage 4'33"
Rejected, I've heard it before. But then, it's different every time you listen to it... :\
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it's my most listened song of all time but I've never listened to it twice
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So apparently Nekov likes to take a trip down Risky Lane just before the finals, Evermind bores us with some standard nothing-special prog, seneca is feeling nostalgic for a time where he probably wasn't even born yet and Sacul likes singing swans. Will be interesting to see what crazy stuff Scorpion comes up with.
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:lol I know it's risky but even in the rounds when I thought my song was gonna suck I still got pretty good scores so I'm a little confident.
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remember it's red judge so evermind is gonna score high :neverusethis:
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Sent. I'll probably be axed this round, but oh well. It's been fun, y'all. :heart
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Sacul likes singing swans.
And I didn't send Swans, but a swansong :P
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New additions to the banned list:
David Bowie
Distorted Harmony
Fish
Neil Young
Von Hertzen Brothers
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wow bowie really
ok
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What does that even mean? :P
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he's just the kind of artist you'd expect everyone to know, especially considering the past few months
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For a second I was afraid my song would be rejected because of that, but I hope to make it to the finals :smiley:
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he's just the kind of artist you'd expect everyone to know, especially considering the past few months
Obviously I know a few of the big songs by Bowie. But I don't know most of his discography, never listened to a full album, etc.
There are plenty of artists that people are generally expected to know, and true, in a lot of those cases, it'd be weird if you hadn't heard at least one song from them. Artists like Bowie, The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, Radiohead. But I wouldn't necessarily expect people to have heard a full album, let alone a significant portion of the discography, by any of those, because that does require conscious effort. Like, if someone didn't know Space Oddity, or Hey Jude, or Thriller, or Money, or Creep, that might be a bit unusual. But I wouldn't ban a whole artist just because I knew a few hits from them.
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Distorted Harmony :metal :metal
Hope it's either Kono Yume or something off Chain Reaction.
Edit: I never heard Space Oddity, and only heard Money once because the album got recommended after my roulette. I recall really liking Money though, was my favorite off the album.
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The first time I heard Space Oddity was when Steven Wilson posted a live cover of it on youtube. Bowie just has never been on my radar.
On another note, you can expect my write-ups tonight (unless I end up going out and getting drunk, then tomorrow night ::)).
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Here are the round 9 write-ups! Spoiler: There’s hardly any differentiation between songs here point wise, hardly meaning “none at all” in this particular case. Yes, you all got the same score from me. On that 5 point scale there’s just not enough space to differentiate, even though I do have some slight favourites.
senecadawg2 Neil Young - Like a Hurricane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WMbP1RcC4
Whoever mixed this should lose his job. I know it’s pretty old, but come on, why would you think that mixing the guitar that is the most important thing for most of the song almost all the way to the right? Does anyone actually like it that way?
I write above that you’re feeling nostalgic for a time where you weren’t even born yet, and after listening to this song a few times I feel the same, basically. His vocals are nice and all, the drums are really repetitive and simple, but the guitars are just amazing. Must be nice being able to write an 8 minute song that’s 75% messing around on your guitar and having it come out great. The guitar has this really raw and suffering tone to it that I really like, and it’s also pretty clever melody-wise. Nice tune.
Nekov Von Hertzen Brothers - Bring out the snakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKF5YG2YiU
You certainly love taking risks, I’m pretty sure this is by far the weirdest song of the roulette so far. I found it interesting from the start, I just wasn’t sure if it was a good kind of interesting or not. The samples at the beginning are really creepy and weird. The whole song is, in fact. It changes between completely different parts all the time, and yet it feels cohesive somehow. I’m not sure how they pulled this off, but they did. And you certainly won’t get a “too repetitive” comment from me on this one. This whole song feels more like an experience than just listening to music, and I really like that. I’m not going to comment on any part in particular, that would just be completely hopeless with how different everything is. I’m not even sure which instruments are on here. But I really like it, so good job.
Evermind Fish – Cliché
So, a love song. You predicted I would “meh” this, but you were only partially right. It’s not absolutely amazing, but still a really good song. The production might sound old, but it’s still really good (my main problem with old production is that microphones back then sucked at picking up bass frequencies and thus it lacked the punch some music needs, e.g. Iron Maidens self-titled).
I feel this would resonate with me at a much higher level if I was in love with someone right now, but it still stands strong without that added bonus. I like how the vocalists goes between a very soft vocal style and a more energetic one, and he sounds really good in general. The overall atmosphere here is very strong, but the highlight are definitely the guitars. I love the guitar tone and the very melodic style of playing. The soloing is nice as well, but not as great as those melodies thrown in all the time during the song (that solo in the middle is pretty strong, though). So, overall, you did quite a bit better than you expected. Congrats.
Sacul David Bowie – Lazarus
It’s quite a coincidence that all 3 judges don’t really know David Bowie, given how he’s so famous and died recently. Doesn’t mean it’s not a great song, though. At first I thought it was pretty mediocre, but it grew on me a lot. The vocals seem really fragile somehow, as if his voice could break apart at a moment’s notice. I love the brass instruments here. And really, I’m having a hard time saying more about this, except that I really liked it.
Scorpion Distorted Harmony – Misguided
This was without doubt the heaviest song this round, and also the one that took the longest for me to enjoy it. At first I thought it dragged a bit, but further listens showed me I was pretty wrong on that account. Evermind would probably call this djent, and I guess he wouldn’t be that far off. It has lots of heavy, great riffs. The chorus is really catchy, the riffs are fantastic, and it keeps me entertained all the way through. Even though you probably won’t make it to the finals, at least you went out in style.
So now it's up to the other judges. I'm curious how it will turn out.
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yeah, lazarus is really good, def the song that left the biggest impression from the listens I gave the album
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Every song got the same score? Really? Quite a way to avoid any responsibility here. :biggrin:
Alright, let's wait for the other judges then.
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Yes, you all got the same score from me.
K thanks for the added pressure Tyrias. :biggrin:
I also have no idea how you're so fast. I said I'd be faster this round and I will be, but I'm not gonna be three days fast.
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It's interesting how I know both Nelson's and Lucas' tunes and my song is much better than these two in my book, so as far as I'm concerned I should have no problems with getting through. But with 425 and Mr. Red, well, you never know.
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senecadawg2 Neil Young - Like a Hurricane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WMbP1RcC4
Whoever mixed this should lose his job. I know it’s pretty old, but come on, why would you think that mixing the guitar that is the most important thing for most of the song almost all the way to the right? Does anyone actually like it that way?
I write above that you’re feeling nostalgic for a time where you weren’t even born yet, and after listening to this song a few times I feel the same, basically. His vocals are nice and all, the drums are really repetitive and simple, but the guitars are just amazing. Must be nice being able to write an 8 minute song that’s 75% messing around on your guitar and having it come out great. The guitar has this really raw and suffering tone to it that I really like, and it’s also pretty clever melody-wise. Nice tune.
Reading the bit about the mixing made me worried, but I guess you actually like the song anyways?
And as for the bolded part... I missed that post. I should note though, that I was born in 1894 and so most certainly was around when this song was released. My grandchildren kept waiting for me to die, but this song has kept me alive for another few decades.
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It's interesting how I know both Nelson's and Lucas' tunes and my song is much better than these two in my book, so as far as I'm concerned I should have no problems with getting through. But with 425 and Mr. Red, well, you never know.
I'm just going to start grading these songs by guessing how well I will like them based on the artist name, song name and who sent them.
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I hope you watched the music video as recommended, Tyrias :tup
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Every song got the same score? Really? Quite a way to avoid any responsibility here. :biggrin:
Alright, let's wait for the other judges then.
Well, at first there were some differences, but after giving each song a chance to grow on me I liked them all about the same. :lol So when I did my final listen, I was like: Yeah, this song is really good. might be the best song of the round. Then the next song came up and I was like: Or maybe this one? Not sure. By the third one I was like: Fuck.
I also have no idea how you're so fast. I said I'd be faster this round and I will be, but I'm not gonna be three days fast.
I just try to listen to the songs twice each day, which is not too hard when there are only 5 songs to listen to. So by the end of day 3 I have listened to everything 5 to 6 times, enough to have a good grasp on the songs.
I hope you watched the music video as recommended, Tyrias :tup
I did, and I enjoyed it. Well actually I didn't really enjoy it, but I guess enjoying it was not really what it was meant to achieve. More like unsettling people.
senecadawg2 Neil Young - Like a Hurricane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WMbP1RcC4
Whoever mixed this should lose his job. I know it’s pretty old, but come on, why would you think that mixing the guitar that is the most important thing for most of the song almost all the way to the right? Does anyone actually like it that way?
I write above that you’re feeling nostalgic for a time where you weren’t even born yet, and after listening to this song a few times I feel the same, basically. His vocals are nice and all, the drums are really repetitive and simple, but the guitars are just amazing. Must be nice being able to write an 8 minute song that’s 75% messing around on your guitar and having it come out great. The guitar has this really raw and suffering tone to it that I really like, and it’s also pretty clever melody-wise. Nice tune.
Reading the bit about the mixing made me worried, but I guess you actually like the song anyways?
And as for the bolded part... I missed that post. I should note though, that I was born in 1894 and so most certainly was around when this song was released. My grandchildren kept waiting for me to die, but this song has kept me alive for another few decades.
So you're a vampire :o? That's so cool.
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Misguided :tup like Tyrias said, I considered sending this song to Evermind but thought he might confuse progressive metal for djent. Also I've already sent this song in like 3 roulettes and wanted some variety, none of the other songs on that album were good roulette material except for maybe Natural Selection, but that intro/outro would definitely turn him off.
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Heh, I find the video adds a whole layer of symbolism and meaning to the song. The opening sequence with Bowie on a hospital bed singing "look up here, I'm in heaven", and the final one, him entering the wardrobe (which looks like a coffin) with a serious, strong look in the eye... Damn, they give me chills.
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So you're a vampire :o? That's so cool.
No, much worse... I'm a vegan.
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Misguided :tup like Tyrias said, I considered sending this song to Evermind but thought he might confuse progressive metal for djent. Also I've already sent this song in like 3 roulettes and wanted some variety, none of the other songs on that album were good roulette material except for maybe Natural Selection, but that intro/outro would definitely turn him off.
I never confuse progressive metal for djent. If I like it, it's progressive metal, if I don't, it's djent. No room for confusion.
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Mr. Red has informed me that his writeups should be done by Monday.
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I'm targeting Monday as well.
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I saw you posted and expected results :sadpanda:
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Haha have you been paying attention to me this roulette at all? :lol
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Of course, you've meh'd like half of my songs :'(
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Misguided :tup like Tyrias said, I considered sending this song to Evermind but thought he might confuse progressive metal for djent. Also I've already sent this song in like 3 roulettes and wanted some variety, none of the other songs on that album were good roulette material except for maybe Natural Selection, but that intro/outro would definitely turn him off.
I never confuse progressive metal for djent. If I like it, it's progressive metal, if I don't, it's djent. No room for confusion.
I think you would like Misguided, so let's say it's not djent.
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Nekov Von Hertzen Brothers - Bring out the snakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKF5YG2YiU
You certainly love taking risks, I’m pretty sure this is by far the weirdest song of the roulette so far.
Wait, Sacul is in this roulette, are you sure about this? :P But yeah, I know what you mean. I'll quote the writeup I got from the mystery judge in the first Roulette of champions
I don't know WHAT the hell that was, but it was some pretty cool shit.
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Just let me know much the axe will hurt :'(
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:sadpanda:
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It's still technically Monday in some parts of the world, right?
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it will be Monday in Hawaii for another 6 hours
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7 AM Tuesday here. Expected to find results here already, but I really should've known better. :lol
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9:45 PM ~(o.o~)
i'm not even in this though
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Yeah when I said Monday I lied. I meant Tuesday.
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We all feel cheated by your laziness :neverusethis:
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It will have been six days since the last person submitted. You're being spoiled by Tyrias's speed.
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You know, it's actually not about the speed this time. It's just a matter of betrayed expectations or something like that.
I won't say anything else since I care about my score. :D
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It will have been six days since the last person submitted. You're being spoiled by Tyrias's speed.
the :neverusethis: was meant to imply sarcasm btw :lol
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It will have been six days since the last person submitted. You're being spoiled by Tyrias's speed.
the :neverusethis: was meant to imply sarcasm btw :lol
I got that :P Just forgot to add my own appropriate emoticon.
You know, it's actually not about the speed this time. It's just a matter of betrayed expectations or something like that.
I won't say anything else since I care about my score. :D
I know, I know, I'm the worst. But I don't feel comfortable giving out scores only having heard the songs twice.
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In six days? Come on, I didn't even send an epic this time! :lol
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i sent a song so long, it takes 2 and a half days to listen to front-to-back
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Glad I didn't send my 36-min epic: lol
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In six days? Come on, I didn't even send an epic this time! :lol
I know, I know. Here's the thing. As music listeners go, I have a pretty temperamental palette. I can't listen to the same set of songs two or three times in one day, because I'll get sick of them. Which will obviously affect how I score them. And sometimes I can't do it on back-to-back days, either. And there are some days when I'm just not up for much music, if any at all. So it's a slower process for me than for someone like Tyrias, but it is slow out of necessity, so that I can get into the songs and give them the scores they deserve.
I can probably do a better job of fitting my process into the parameters of a roulette, and I think I am doing better with that this round than last time, but the slowness of it is a consequence of the way that my brain works with regard to music.
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How about less wasting time posting and more time listening to songs? ;)
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I want to know much 425 meh'd my song :'(
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senecadawg2 Neil Young - Like a Hurricane
I do not mind Neil Young (I'm not really familiar with his solo stuff other than his huge hits), but I wasn't a huge fan of this song. I think the rating would be higher if the song was shorter... it just seemed bloated. I do understand that was his style, I do appreciate the guitar solos, but they seemed to go on forever and then the song just dragged on and on... I was waiting for him to come back and sing but nope, 2 more minutes of guitar solo. That's too much monotony in my opinion. Sorry dude.
Nekov Von Hertzen Brothers - Bring out the snakes
This was fun. I loved the jazz influences in the guitars (I was like whoa) when I heard that, it was a great, fun song... But the FADE OUT! I literally screamed NOOOOO when I heard it the first time. Total cop out. I wish they found a better way to end it. Is this part of a larget concept album? I'd be interested in checking it out. The lyrics sounded like it was part of a story...
Evermind Fish - Cliche
The song's title actually fits... this is a little Cliche. Yes, I do enjoy Fish-era Marillion, but this sounds like Marillion without the Marillion... you know what I mean? Still, I rather enjoyed it. It was emotive, I love the mix, I love the fake-ending (I love you... pause... DRUM DRUM DRUM KEY CHANGE)... That's so Marillion Fish era ballad. So it's all good. It was a solid song, but not my top one this round.
Sacul David Bowie - Lazarus
I can't lie, I heard this once before, but I literally only listened to it once, right after he died and everyone was like LISTEN TO THIS BECAUSE MAN THE REFERENCES ARE JUST WOW. And yeah, they are. I know Bowie's music fairly well, but mainly his 70s and 80s stuff, not much in the last 2 decades. This song was POWERFUL man. Wow. It hearkens to Queen's "The Show Must Go On" in the fact you know Bowie knew that his time was short and so he just put EVERYTHING in this, in his own style of mystery and mixing of many different genres. This was awesome. Bravo.
Scorpion Distorted Harmony - Misguided
I did enjoy this, it was complex, it was fun. Unfortunately, it was one of those songs that even after a few listens I can't really grasp anything that stood out to me. It was solid, it has grown on me, and eventually may have something to it, but even after 4-5 listens I can't think of anything specific that stands out. I love the crispness of the guitars and the fact that everything was so complex and so tight though.
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Okay, so unlike Tyrias, I'm not copping out. :P I used three different point values to score these five songs, and there's a total of a 1.5 point spread. I haven't looked at the scores in a while, so I no idea if I'm affecting who advances beyond this point. I do know that I'm probably helping Mr. Red out by being partially to blame for any changes in score.
Two people who are "mad" at me took first and second for me this round. So they can get over it. :P
Evermind: Fish - Cliché
So, this prog rock ballad is really, really good. The opening piano-driven section features Fish singing some subtly cool vocal melodies that then kick us into the main part of the song. Fish's voice, of course, takes center stage, being that this is his solo album. He absolutely shines on this track, singing a lot of good melodies with a lot of emotion and power.
The instrumentation is not lacking in any way, either. Those characteristic prog rock keyboards weave their way through the song, producing a lot of good music and being an important component of the way this song builds tension with a quiet section and resolves it with a loud one. You can hear the keyboard parts starting to build up in intensity along with Fish’s voice going into the big, loud sections, and then receding to just piano and backdrop keyboard playing for the quieter parts, like the chorus. I always like it when an artist flips listener expectations by playing a loud verse and a quiet chorus.
There’s also a slight false ending on the line “I love you," which is something else I love, that then leads into a dramatic return.
Really, this is just as strong of a prog rock love song as you can imagine. It embraces some prog rock tropes like those prog rock synthesizer sounds, but uses them to create a really awesome song that builds and recedes. It’s a really good song and my choice for best of the round.
Nekov: Von Hertzen Brothers - Bring Out the Snakes
Okay, this was definitely a risky submission. I don’t really know how to describe this song, but it is definitely an unconventional choice.
Unfortunately, this risk will not really pay off where I am concerned.
The song starts with a lengthy spoken-word section that takes up about a quarter of the song and that really doesn’t do anything for me. I don’t know why it’s there and I don’t particularly care for it. It doesn’t really seem to add much to the song as far as I’m concerned.
Fortunately, the main song does have more to like than the intro. It’s by no means a song that I would rate altogether too highly, but there are some good parts. The first half or so of the song seems to wander a bit and not have a clear direction. There are some good vocal parts in the first quiet section, as there are later in some of the more chorus-like vocal sections. The “come on press rewind” section is downright good, and at that point the song really finds a groove and does some stuff that I actually like a fair bit and find pretty memorable.
Is this a good song? Yes. Do I find it enjoyable to listen to? If you cut off the two minutes of “push the friggin' button” at the beginning, yes. But it seems to be somewhat lost for at least half of its runtime and doesn’t really find its way until the last few minutes. It’s a decent song, but it’s not going to cut it.
Sacul: David Bowie - Lazarus
In a move unprecedented in this roulette, I’m going to not “meh” two of Sacul’s submissions in a row!
Because how could I “meh” this? This a song with great atmosphere, some really good melodies, tons of emotion and an ability to work with and build tension. His voice is really fitting for this song, and he gives an honest, emotional performance. The melodies played by the guitar and the brass instruments are really nice (though the guitar tone is a little too jagged, that’s not a huge deal here and I get why it is that way here).
There’s a really good build in tension in this song, as well. It starts off being a pretty sparse, sonically and by the climax, it’s build up a ton of tension. He does a lot of that buildup with his voice, just going through sequentially more emotive vocal parts up to the “bluebird" section, when the instrumentation takes over in terms of building intensity. The song reaches a strong climax and then works its way back down, which is all done really nicely.
I like this song quite a bit. There’s a lot to appreciate here in terms of emotional value as well as just good, solid songwriting from the late legend. Rest in peace, Mr. Bowie.
Scorpion: Distorted Harmony - Misguided
This is one of the heaviest songs of the roulette to this point, which is the type of thing that might make you worry a bit where I’m concerned.
Nope. I really like this song, including how heavy it is. It’s one of those heavy songs that manages to be have some really thick, crunchy, heavy guitars without sacrificing any melody whatsoever. In part, this is because of the subtle but important keyboard presence, but the guitars themselves play melodic riffs, even at their heaviest. The singer also helps—his voice is gentle enough to bring a pleasant sense of melody and compliment the quiet sections very well, and powerful enough to work decently well on the heavier choruses.
This is one of those songs that I like because it has a good sense of tension, and builds and resolves tension alternately at various parts of the song. Actually, all of my top three songs are good at working with tension. This one is the strongest exercise in contrasts, of course, as it works back and forth between some sections of really heavy riffing and some really soft clean guitar parts. The highlight is when the instrumental section ends and the instruments drop in volume briefly before the band launches into the final chrous. That’s a cool moment for sure.
And it’s all tied together by a big anthemic chorus. So what’s not to like? Overall, this is a prog metal song that typifies some of the best elements of the genre without sounding like a Dream Theater or Symphony X clone. It’s not world-shattering or even my favorite song of this round, but it’s a good song and an enjoyable listen.
Btw, Evermind, I feel I know your tastes well enough to tell you that this isn’t djent. ;)
senecadawg2: Neil Young - Like a Hurricane
Neil Young is an artist with whom I actually have a slight degree of familiarity—my dad is a fan of his. So I’m sure I’ve heard this song more than once before, but I haven’t heard it recently and don’t particularly recognize it, so that doesn’t affect the scoring.
Like some others, I’ve never been particularly fond of Neil Young’s voice. It doesn’t send me into a blind rage or anything, but there’s something in his tone that comes out sometimes that isn’t exactly the most pleasing thing. Fortunately, 1) the vocal melodies themselves in this song are pretty nice and 2) a relatively small portion of this song’s runtime is vocal parts.
The guitar work in this song is undoubtedly its main attraction, and deservedly so. There are two really good guitar solos in this one, that both display a great deal of virtuosity and feel. I mean, really, he just rattles off two great solos in this one.
So, I really like this one a lot. The mild annoyance of his vocal tone aside, this is a really good song. Melodically, it has good parts, and it has some excellent guitar work as well.
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Bring on the scores, I want to know if I made it or not. :D
Glad you liked this song, 425.
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Bring on the scores, I want to know if I made it or not. :D
Glad you liked this song, 425.
All of this.
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I have a guess at who is advancing based on my own scores, the knowledge that Tyrias scored everybody the same, and reading Mr. Red's writeups. But I'm far from certain. I have to imagine this will be pretty close, particularly since Mr. Red and I liked different songs this round.
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I think it's the second time I send your favourite song of the round... in Mr. Red's round. :facepalm:
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It seems all of the judges liked my song so I actually have hopes :dangerwillrobinson:
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There are the scores, no mucking around. As this is the end of Tier 3 the last of the eliminations takes place, and we say goodbye to senecadawg2 and Scorpion. Sacul, Nekov and Evermind now all move on to the finals tier.
As mentioned, this was the last round to feature the primary/secondary judge system. There are only two rounds in the final tier, and the scoring is much simpler - all three judges will now score your songs out of 10, for a total of 30 each round. So the potential for a higher score is here, if you can appeal to all three judges simultaneously.
I'll post some additional data as I did at the end of the previous tiers shortly.
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:o :2metal:
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Phew!
Wow, Lucas, you've got some great scores in this round. And in Round 7. Time to screw up, don't you think? :lol
Also, thank you Mr. Red for not liking Neil Young.
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I'm sure I'll fail in one of the following 2 rounds, for I have only one great song remaining :D
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I think it's the second time I send your favourite song of the round... in Mr. Red's round. :facepalm:
Eh, in the first tier I liked all three songs approximately equally (the Blue Round one scored a little higher, but that's because I had more intervals), and in the second tier I liked the Blue and Red ones about equally. They scored 13.5 and 4.5 respectively which is the same score. I would say this is the only time this happened, to the point where the Red song was my definite favorite of the three.
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That's who I figured the three would be based on my rough calculations! Congrats to Sacul, Nekov and Evermind; I look forward to seeing what y'all bring in the final two rounds...
Scorpion, you were the champion of my roulette, but I suppose you fell a little short here. Some of your submissions I liked quite a bit, like Amorphis, Heart of Cygnus, Beyond the Bridge and Distorted Harmony, and I will be definitely checking those out. Thanks for playing, it was definitely a good run. Hopefully I'll see you come back to try to defend your crown when I do my v2 in approximately 2027. :P
Seneca, it's especially hard for me to see you go. If you add up how many points each judge gave each contestant, I gave you more points than I gave anyone else. And it's no surprise if you look at the list of the highest scores I gave. Glen Hansard, Mazzy Star, James Blake—three of the four songs to which I gave a score higher than 4.5/13.5. Needless to say, you've sent a lot of music in this roulette that I really liked. In addition to those three, I'll surely be checking out Beardfish, Ludovico Einaudi and David Gray. Thanks for playing!
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Tier 3 Score Breakdown
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Tier 1+2+3 Score Breakdown
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sacul: officially the winner of tier 3
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Wow, I knew that seneca got the highest total score from me, but I didn't realize that he also got the lowest total score from the other two judges! Meanwhile I gave Sacul the lowest total score (though he redeemed himself with me in the third tier, where I gave him the highest total score... reminiscent of what happened in my solo roulette), while the other two judges gave him the highest!
Looks like I'm the anomaly and it was two against one! :lol
Meanwhile, of course, Evermind and Nekov are the models of consistency, for the most part. So it looks like the three finalists are two judges who consistently did in the middle among all three judges, and one who did the best with two and the worst with one. It'll be interesting to see if that becomes a factor when all three judges are weighted equally.
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Also, thank you Mr. Red for not liking Neil Young.
For a completely different reason than you, though :-\
I can understand the dislike for his voice much more than this one... Bloated? Are attention spans shrinking?
Oh well. I was never able to properly match my submissions with the primary judge's tastes (if I'd just swapped round 7 and 8 I'd be sitting on 165.5) and it's obvious that I played to 425 much more than the other two. Anyways, it was fun while it lasted and Scorpion is very good company to exit the competition with.
Thanks for running this Bolsters.
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So are these last two rounds equal, or there's one elimination?
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So are these last two rounds equal, or there's one elimination?
You three are in it until the end, no more eliminations.
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Oh well. I was never able to properly match my submissions with the primary judge's tastes (if I'd just swapped round 7 and 8 I'd be sitting on 165.5) and it's obvious that I played to 425 much more than the other two. Anyways, it was fun while it lasted and Scorpion is very good company to exit the competition with.
Hey, at least now we can say that we've come a long way from this:
I'm not that familiar with 425
:)
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So are these last two rounds equal, or there's one elimination?
You three are in it until the end, no more eliminations.
So do I send my last two songs now or what? :P
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I'm going to try and up my game in Round 10, and if it goes haywire, well, I can always send something just for giggles in the last round. :lol
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I want to leave my best song for the last round because drama. I'll send something tomorrow, choosing from my 69-song-championship-playlist if I still have something either not banned or worth sending ;D
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how do you have a 69-song playlist, i don't think i've considered 69 songs in total across every roulette i've played in :lol
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I prepared myself for this like I've never done before :lol
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I was kind of expecting this outcome based on what I know about the tastes of the other judges.
Seneca really suffered from sending the right songs, but in the wrong rounds. With some better timing you could have made it to the finals easily. Thank you for sending the best song of the roulette (Bird of Sorrow), as well as some other stuff I'll check out.
Scorpion, you wete probably the most consistent player for me. Never amazing, but no duds as well. The song that stuck with me the most was probably Diablo Swing Orchestra, just for how refreshingly different it was. Thanks for playing.
For the remaining players, I'm looking forward to your submissions. I'm expecting big things from the top three. ;)
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I used most of my big things in 425's roulette so they're banned now. :lol
I think I will be able to find something though.
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I was expecting it, so I'm glad that 425 liked my song a fair bit, at least. seneca, I can only echo what you said - you're good company to leave a roulette with.
Anyway, it's been fun. Good luck to those remaining.
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Man I'm so glad that payed off :lol. I'll take my time to decide what I wanna send next, I need to get back on the lead.
Edit: Also no Mr. Red, that song is not part of a concept album, it's just weird on it's own :P
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I used most of my big things in 425's roulette so they're banned now. :lol
This :lol
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So now that I posted this same post in Bolsters because I can't do posting after a difficult working day, here we go:
Alright judges, before I send, I've got a question... how much attention are you willing to spare for each song now there's only three of us? I've got a very complex song, power metal, progressive metal, orchestra, lots of overlaying vocals, harmonies, the storyline, lots of subtle textures and changes of pace, 14+ minutes long too. But it really requires multiple listens (and I mean not 4-5 listens, I mean 10+ listens) to take everything into account. At least that's how it was for me.
Just be honest here, if you ain't gonna bother, I'm going with something much shorter and accessible.
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I used most of my big things in 425's roulette so they're banned now. :lol
This :lol
This is why you do an EP round. Gotta milk your contestants' libraries for all they're worth. :P
So now that I posted this same post in Bolsters because I can't do posting after a difficult working day, here we go:
Alright judges, before I send, I've got a question... how much attention are you willing to spare for each song now there's only three of us? I've got a very complex song, power metal, progressive metal, orchestra, lots of overlaying vocals, harmonies, the storyline, lots of subtle textures and changes of pace, 14+ minutes long too. But it really requires multiple listens (and I mean not 4-5 listens, I mean 10+ listens) to take everything into account. At least that's how it was for me.
Just be honest here, if you ain't gonna bother, I'm going with something much shorter and accessible.
I could see myself upping it from 3-4 listens (what I've been doing) to 6-7. As I tried to explain in an earlier post, I have a pretty temperamental ear which I can't really help, and which makes it very tough for me to do 10+ listens and finish on a timely basis. I could commit to listening to your song twice a day for 5 days if you really wanted me to, but I would get sick of most songs listening to them that much in that small of a time span.
So I would say either send it counting on me getting it well enough in 6-7 listens, send it and ask me to go for 10 and risk me getting tired of it, or send something else.
If it matters, I will take into consideration if there's a song that I like a lot on my roulette listens but don't entirely "get" yet, where I'm confident that there's more there to get. Just ask Parama about Light of Day, Day of Darkness (which I actually just recently got on CD). :lol
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heck yeah, hope you enjoy it for hour on end :tup
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Alright, thank you 425, I'll go with something shorter and more accessible then.
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Okay, sent. Hopefully this will be enough to get me at least to the second place.
Also, 425, no offense, but remember how I was furious regarding you guys not recognizing different singers on Avantasia - Savior in the Clockwork? Well guess what, I went back to your roulette thread while choosing the song for this round, and here's what I've found...
Avantasia’s The Scarecrow, the first of two epics, follows, and this one is clearly a different sort of metal song right of the bat, as the intro heavily incorporates the folky, celtic sound that appears throughout the song. It’s a pretty good moment when the heavy guitars and then the keyboards come in and play the same riff that had been playing before. Now, I know this is multiple singers because Evermind told me, but I’m not quite sure where one ends and the other begins. But in general, I would say that the vocal aspects of this song are very good, though not great.
I know I'm left here alone competing with non-metal folks, but if any of you metal folks are reading this now - I'm not usually the one to drop the f-word lightly - but can you fucking believe that, guys? :lol
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:rollin I also thought that a male singer was a woman, so remember that this is level you're dealing with here.
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yeah you think Taylor Swift is a girl too, we can see how confused you are
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(https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Taylor+Hicks+Arrivals+American+Idol+Results+wtvAZhMMND2l.jpg)
This one is Taylor Swift, right?
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Sent. Let's see how this goes down. I'm counting on the other guys to screw up since I'm out of awesome stuff to send :lol
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Deciding between two potential songs, will send in a while. Funny thing is one of them will appeal to two judges a lot, and not so much to the remaining. The other the same, but different judges :lol
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Can I send a cover of a song by a band on Tyrias' banned list? :P
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Deciding between two potential songs, will send in a while. Funny thing is one of them will appeal to two judges a lot, and not so much to the remaining. The other the same, but different judges :lol
I'm gonna go ahead and read this as "one of them has a ton of glitches."
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More like lots of dissonant violins :P
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you should send it to me, sacul
i'm curiosity
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I ended up sending some beautiful art prog. Hope it gets me a good enough score not to fall more than one spot in the ranking :P
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You're all in now and submissions have been passed to the judges. :corn
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Sent Parama's song too :P
So when can we expect results? I went with a 10-min track but it's pretty accessible so it shouldn't take many listens to sink in :angel:
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I sent a 9-min track too, so I guess results next month?
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you should send it to me, sacul
i'm curiosity
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Mars_Science_Laboratory_Curiosity_rover_cropped.jpg/1280px-Mars_Science_Laboratory_Curiosity_rover_cropped.jpg)
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:clap:
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yeah, that's one of my best selfies
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Well, sorry Sacul. I already know that Gazpacho song, so I'll have to reject your submission. I'm unfamiliar with most of Gazpacho's discography, but I know and like Missa Atropos quite well and I listened to Demon a few times as well, often enough so that I'm already pretty familiar with the song you sent.
If it's any consolation, I though Demon was pretty boring overall, so that might just save you from a bad score :P
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I'll have to reject your submission.
[DUNKED]
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And as for results, if Sacul resends soon Sunday evening seems realistic for me. It's only 2 songs, but I still need to have a bit of time between listens so I don't get burned out on them.
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Damnit, time to go with dissonant violins then :P
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Damnit, time to go with dissonant violins then :P
Well, that sounds interesting in theory at least :lol
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He forgot to say that's literally all this track has, no other instruments. :lol
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He forgot to say that's literally all this track has, no other instruments. :lol
That sounds even more interesting, actually :lol. Kind of like Beethoven's later string quartets, only nothing but violins.
Also, I never answered you previously because you already sent before I saw you had asked. In short, I'd say that I don't like to listen to songs that much in a short amount of time, basically 6/7 times is the most I can realistically do in the timeframe that seems to be expected from roulettes before I write results. That said, Power Metal with Symphonic elements is usually pretty accessible for me, meaning I know how much I like it pretty fast.
For example, I have listened to both yours and Nekov's songs for this round already, and despite your song being twice as long as his I'm already pretty sure of the score yours will get, while the range for Nekov's song is still pretty wide. That's not saying anything about how much I like them, so don't interpret too much into this score for the round.
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Sent Parama's song too :P
So when can we expect results? I went with a 10-min track but it's pretty accessible so it shouldn't take many listens to sink in :angel:
I sent a 9-min track too, so I guess results next month?
Mine's less than 5 minutes. Do I get extra points for making the judge's job easier? ::)
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Who knows, maybe Sacul's dissonant violins song is even shorter than yours :P
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I mean, the violins are a little part of the instrumentation but it wouldn't surprise me a certain judge overreacted for them and meh'd the song :angel:
Choosing between that and a R&B track, resending soon.
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That said, Power Metal with Symphonic elements is usually pretty accessible for me, meaning I know how much I like it pretty fast.
For example, I have listened to both yours and Nekov's songs for this round already, and despite your song being twice as long as his I'm already pretty sure of the score yours will get, while the range for Nekov's song is still pretty wide. That's not saying anything about how much I like them, so don't interpret too much into this score for the round.
I see, a 6/10 is coming my way.
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Can I send a cover of a song by a band on Tyrias' banned list? :P
Also, how about this? :P
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Can I send a cover of a song by a band on Tyrias' banned list? :P
Also, how about this? :P
Send me the song and I'll decide.
That said, Power Metal with Symphonic elements is usually pretty accessible for me, meaning I know how much I like it pretty fast.
For example, I have listened to both yours and Nekov's songs for this round already, and despite your song being twice as long as his I'm already pretty sure of the score yours will get, while the range for Nekov's song is still pretty wide. That's not saying anything about how much I like them, so don't interpret too much into this score for the round.
I see, a 6/10 is coming my way.
Feeling optimistic today :angel:?
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Sent harsh noise :smiley:
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Sacul: Harsh Noise - Harsh Noise
It was harsh noise.
0/10
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same
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Of course you meh'd it, 425 - your tastes haven't developed the patrician qualities needed to understand harsh noise. I'm sure Mr Red will appreciate how that noise came from amplifying to death the artist's farts, and Tyrias will probably cry after reading the story behind the song, both handing me perfect scoresand bonus point to ccompensate for 425's. I've won, bitches :hat
On a serious note, I hope we can get results this weekend :smiley:
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On a serious note, I hope we can get results this weekend :smiley:
:rollin
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Sacul: Harsh Noise - Harsh Noise
I found this to be pretty unaccessible at first, despite it's simplicity. But then I figured: Well, this isn't quite your standard song, so I shouldn't try to appreciate it for things normal songs do. I mean, song structures, melodies, harmonies, who needs that anyway. Having rid myself of all that earthly ballast, my mind finally felt free for the first time since I was born, unconstrained by habits and institutionsimprinted into our very thoughts and the way our mind works by the workings of social conditioning. This masterpieces' relentless, crushing existence opened my eyes to the harsh, cruel and hidden workings of the real world. Everything I always thought I knew was just a social construct, and hearing this structureless piece in all its breathtakingly uncompromising glory finally made me appreciate that unwithstanding truth. I was reborn, transcending simple human-ness. Yet I feel that, after almost 22 years of lying to myself, I was finally reborn into the being I was always meant to become. Having freed myself of all the social constructs inherent to humankind's ways, I can no longer identify with that short-lived, inferior species. My spirit has ascended, but I felt I had to commit one last act of service to humankind by writing this point.
I must thus tell you that, unfortunately, I won't be able to come back and finish judging the final rounds. Such simple, unimportant pleasures of the flesh are no longer something my ascended spirit wishes to partake in. As a last act of graciousness, I declare Sacul the winner of this roulette of the inferior human species, for finally showing me the errors of my short-lived existence in human form. Maybe I will see some of you in the realms of ascension after you listen to this mind-opening masterpiece. Goodbye.
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On a slightly more serious note, results from me on sunday at the earliest. I still haven't heard Sacul's new song and I want to sleep over it and digest it for 2 nights at least.
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Harsh Noise is only for kvlt ears who appreciate trve mvsik, like metvl.
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merzbow would legit get a 0/10 from me in a roulette
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On a slightly more serious note, results from me on sunday at the earliest. I still haven't heard Sacul's new song and I want to sleep over it and digest it for 2 nights at least.
Have we even gotten Sacul's new song yet? It's not showing up on Bolsters' playlist for me.
On a serious note, I hope we can get results this weekend :smiley:
Lolno
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On a serious note, I hope we can get results this weekend :smiley:
Lolno
Fucking savage :'(
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Sacul: Harsh Noise - Harsh Noise
Wow. Just... wow. This piece is indescribable. It's beautiful, yet mysterious; foreboding yet comforting; foggy yet clear; harsh yet noisy. The effort it must have taken the band to play this piece of music must have been immense. I am absolutely speechless. The intro starts off with that harsh noise sound... then the harsh noise builds up into more harsh noise until that climax of harsh noise just blows me away with that resounding harsh noise... then fades away into more harsh noise until the ending where the harsh noise ends. I mean... bra. vo. This was so powerful. Emotional. I am in tears. I don't know if I can listen to it again though. It's just like a punch in the gut. So thank you, Sacul, for this gift of music. Thank you.
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I know, the track is just astonishing :hefdaddy
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parama reviews harsh noise - harsh noise
i didn't hate it
0/10
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Sacul: Sacul's band - dissonant violins
After all the hype I was expecting some real dissonance, but those violins are about as dissonant as honey is salty. Me is disappoint.
2/10 would not listen again
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did he send the dissonant violins song?
i listened to it and you're right on the mark in that the violins aren't very dissonant tbh
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Yes, since he wrote that 425 shouldn't overreact to them.
I was expecting at least as much dissonance as in this one (at least the first few minutes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK75WCcUDkM
I was disappointed.
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What if I overreacted to them? :o
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The thread title forgot the colons.
"R10 results someday :soon:"
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What if I overreacted to them? :o
Mind = blown
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Tbh I was worried 425 might overreact to the violins because he kind of lowered my score on a song on his first roulette because it had much tribal drumming, despite them being featured in less than 5% of the 19-minute song :'(
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Okay, the tribal drumming definitely lasted for something like five minutes.
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5% out of a 19-min epic is roughly a minute :P
Because I'm bored, I'll relisten that song and take the time whenever tribal drumming appears. Will report later.
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I have to admit Sacul is putting a lot more effort into winning this thing than anyone else. He's going to great lengths to explain why he sends stuff, telling judges specifically what they need to listen to or why they might not like the song and also some whining. I respect that.
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especially the whining
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or he's just the most vocal about it in the public domain. Evermind sends pretty detailed explanations as well, but via PM. You're the only slacker left, Nekov.
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That's because I should be studying instead of whining, damn procrastination makes me do this stuff :lol
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or he's just the most vocal about it in the public domain. Evermind sends pretty detailed explanations as well, but via PM. You're the only slacker left, Nekov.
Yet I was first for all expect the last round so... maybe it's not slacking, maybe I'm just letting the music speak for me....
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That's because I should be studying instead of whining, damn procrastination makes me do this stuff :lol
I feel your pain.
or he's just the most vocal about it in the public domain. Evermind sends pretty detailed explanations as well, but via PM. You're the only slacker left, Nekov.
Yet I was first for all expect the last round so... maybe it's not slacking, maybe I'm just letting the music speak for me....
Well, you may have a point there.
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5% out of a 19-min epic is roughly a minute :P
Because I'm bored, I'll relisten that song and take the time whenever tribal drumming appears. Will report later.
Yeah, I'm contending that it was much more than 5%. I just checked it out briefly (though I wasn't particularly thorough) and it was approximately 4.5 minutes between when it started and when it ended. Started at around 12:30 and ended at around 17:00.
And I'll second what Tyrias said about Evermind's detailed writeups. They're quite good, but he only really provides them in PM.
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And I'll second what Tyrias said about Evermind's detailed writeups. They're quite good, but he only really provides them in PM.
It's like that Steven Wilson's monthly newsletter with exclusive content! :lol
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One last tease before I post results roughly 24 hours from now:
Relative to your prior performance (player specific), one of you sent a top 2 song this round, one of you sent an above average song, and one of you a bottom 3 song.
Have fun guessing who is which.
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No way I'm beating my Mark Knopfler, Roger Waters and David Gilmour entries when it comes to your judgement, so I guess I'm either above average or bottom three, likely the latter.
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Considering I've done pretty well with you, it could be any of them. But my song is awesome so I hope I nailed another perfect score and it'd be top 2. Maybe it will sit next to Driven to Destruction tho :lol
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I really don't think my song is top 2, I'm aiming for the bottom 3 probably :lol
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I should update the banned list with these.
Blind Guardian
Florence + The Machine
The Appleseed Cast
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I wonder who sent Blind Guardian :neverusethis:
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I wonder who sent Blind Guardian :neverusethis:
You did, obviously.
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where's harsh noise - harsh noise
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where's harsh noise - harsh noise
Well, obviously Sacul is a big liar
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So, as promised here are the write-ups.
Nekov: The Appleseed Cast - Great Lake Derelict
You were unfortunately correct with you guess that this is one of your weakest songs so far. That’s not to say it’s bad at all, but it also utterly failed at impressing me.
Stylistically, this is rather post-rocky with some male vocals thrown in. It has pretty hectic drumming, nice guitar melodies and does sound quite different from conventional post-rock, especially with the weird and hectic drum beats. The drums are also my favorite part of the song. They have a pretty active role, in some parts they feel more like the lead instrument than the guitar melodies (especially when it gets more complex). The guitars are nice and post-rocky, but nothing that blows me away in any way. The weakest part here is his voice. Stylistically, his singing fits well with the song but he’s just not a very good singer.
If you still want to win this, you’ll really need to blow us away in the final round.
Evermind: Blind Guardian - Wheel Of Time
You were right on one account here: The oriental-sounding parts are probably my favorite part of the song. Other than that, you could have been a bit more confident, as this is my second favorite song from you this roulette, just behind Mark Knopfler and barely edging out David Gilmour.
On to the actual song: this is absolutely ridiculously epic in sound and production. I wonder how many tracks they must have used while recording this. This just sets out to be epic, and achieves its goal remarkably well. The orchestra is so integrated into the music that it actually feels like an orchestral track where metal elements and instrumentations were added later on, when the main body of the song was already written. The metal parts fit in nicely, but they are hardly ever the thing that makes me love a moment and make it epic. The main vocalists is probably the weakest link here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good Power Metal singer and it doesn’t really distract from the song, but I’m just not overly fond of that style of singing in general. The moments in the chorus with a choir backing his vocals are pretty damn epic, though.
Also, does the title have anything to do with the fantasy book series of the same name? If so, they completely failed at capturing the spirit of that series for me (but I’m not gonna hold that against a fantastic song, especially since they might not have anything to do with each other after all.)
Sacul: Florence & The Machine - Seven Devils
So, yours is the slightly above average song. Given that at least half your songs where a 4.5 (on the 5 point scale) or higher for me, that’s really nothing to be ashamed of. I’m having a hard time deciding if I like your song or Evermind’s more. Yours is definitely more catchy, that’s for certain; it’s harder to decide about overall quality.
The song itself is really hard to classify genre-wise for me, which in itself is already a good sign. It starts with some creepy sounds, then the percussion, piano and voice come in and it gets amazing. I love her voice in this context, the music is really made to fit with it perfectly and that main piano melody that gets repeated is a fantastic mix of catchy and really atmospheric. I also really like what they do with multiple vocal tracks and harmonies in the chorus, it sounds almost like a children’s choir in the background. And then there is the highly controversial not-quite-so-dissonant string passage that is a fitting and really epic climax to an epic song, even though “epic” here means something completely different than in Evermind’s song.
You can thank me for not accepting your first song. I’m pretty sure that gained you at least 3 points from me (we’ll see about 425 and Red).
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You already sent out the scores, right? You won't change them depending on my answer? :D
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Yes, no changes.
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Alright then, yeah, it's loosely based on the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan / Brandon Sanderson. If you paid attention to the lyrics, you would've noticed the references ("it's calling me, saidin, so precious and sweet" is a dead giveaway). I too think they failed to capture the spirit of the books, but they captured the epic scope just alright.
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Looks like Ev and I went with "epic feel" tracks this time - and that's actually a great power metal song :metal
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Alright then, yeah, it's loosely based on the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan / Brandon Sanderson. If you paid attention to the lyrics, you would've noticed the references ("it's calling me, saidin, so precious and sweet" is a dead giveaway). I too think they failed to capture the spirit of the books, but they captured the epic scope just alright.
I just read through the lyrics and actually paid attention to them and was again reminded why I try not to pay attention to fantasy lyrics. The cheese is just too much.
"Wheel of Time, It keeps on spinning, there's no beginning", seriously? They'll definitely never win a poetry price like that :lol.
Looks like Ev and I went with "epic feel" tracks this time - and that's actually a great power metal song :metal
Surprised to hear you say that :lol.
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That song and Telegraph Road by Dire Straits was what allowed me to actually win his first roulette. :lol
I just read through the lyrics and actually paid attention to them and was again reminded why I try not to pay attention to fantasy lyrics. The cheese is just too much.
"Wheel of Time, It keeps on spinning, there's no beginning", seriously? They'll definitely never win a poetry price like that :lol.
That was a bad idea. Thankfully you already submitted the scores.
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where's harsh noise - harsh noise
Well, obviously Sacul is a big liar
I do admit I was quite disappointed.
I have done 3 listens so far, and I'm aiming for Monday afternoon/night for my writeups.
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Will Mr Red's identity be revealed after the roulette?
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Will Mr Red's identity be revealed after the roulette?
Yes, he will reveal himself once the roulette has concluded.
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Interesting, I'm curious to see who he is, for I have failed to identify him based on regular users here, so he's either pretty new and inactive, or an old user I haven't seen yet. :corn
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it's bosk
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Interesting, I'm curious to see who he is, for I have failed to identify him based on regular users here, so he's either pretty new and inactive, or an old user I haven't seen yet. :corn
Or maybe I'm just that good, Sacul
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Your tastes are definitely not of those whose roulette I've participated in, nor you in mine :justjen
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yeah, 'cause it's bosk
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Let's just say that I'm the judge with the lowest post count in here.
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i am like, almost positive i asked bolsters if he was the red judge at some point and he denied it, tho
edit: i actually went to check and i swear to god i guessed this at some point but i can't actually find it in any of my posts so i guess not? :lol
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Can't be bosk - he wouldn't have accepted Savior in the Clockwork from me back in Round 5.
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Guys it's me
I'm the judge
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Guys it's me
I'm the judge
LIES!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!!1
or maybe not :huh: ::)
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Nah, can't be, I sent Faces of Stone, Lonesome Clown and Wheel of Time in his roulette.
What if - in a out of the blue kind of twist - the red judge is one of the players? I think it can be Sacul, he always seems to get the high scores from red. And I can't read red's tastes so it all fits. :lol
Edit: and he tends to write short writeups too. It's definitely him.
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The writeups are on the shorter side of things, yeah.. but Sacul is not the only one. The last result I got in a roulette was literally this:
3 - Destrage - Purania - Train of Naught
Spicy.
:rollin
Since the very beginning I thought splent was the mystery judge, but every once in a while I notice something that makes me think it can't be, it's still my best bet though. Show your face mystery man!!
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Well, I can't say I'm surprised that you you didn't like the song that much, I just hope the other 2 judges do.
yeah, 'cause it's bosk
No way, I sent a lot of post rock and the red judge liked it so no Bosk
What if - in a out of the blue kind of twist - the red judge is one of the players? I think it can be Sacul, he always seems to get the high scores from red. And I can't read red's tastes so it all fits. :lol
They did this in the first roulette of champions but they made sure that judge was eliminated before the finals so I don't think it's Sacul though you have some good arguments :lol
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I'm guessing Parama is the red judge.
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100% factual list of people it's not:
- It's not me
- It's not Tyrias or 425
- It's not anyone who participated in, or was eligible to participate in, this Championship
- It's not anyone that has been guessed it is so far
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- It's not Tyrias or 425
You mean Mr. Reds write-ups were not the ones my other schizophrenic personality sent to you using my account?
Damnit, I really need to get him to tell me what he did in that time he took control :P.
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is the last judge taylor swift
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Maybe. If so, how does it feel to be eliminated by Taylor Swift?
But seriously, I've got three listens in. I can deliver writeups after a fourth listen tonight, or after a fifth listen tomorrow morning or early afternoon. I'll lean towards doing it after a fifth listen tomorrow, unless people really really want them tonight.
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is the last judge taylor swift
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I can wait another day if you need to do that 5th listen :smiley:
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I have done 3 listens so far, and I'm aiming for Monday afternoon/night for my writeups.
LIES >:( :censored.
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Is this another cake? :sadpanda:
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What do cakes have to do with anything?
(Except that cakes are awesome, obviously)
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They're a lie :'(
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Nah, I think it was only that particular one.
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Sacul I suggest you stop making lame Portal jokes and think of your followers:
I've just thought of something...what happened to the Mega Steven Wilson Survivor? It's just slipped out of existence.
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That reminds me, I need to create another thread for Kamelot Survivor.
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Apparently, everyone lies in this thread
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Sacul I suggest you stop making lame Portal jokes and think of your followers:
I've just thought of something...what happened to the Mega Steven Wilson Survivor? It's just slipped out of existence.
And I slipped into the busiest semester of college so far it ain't funny :lol
Like, I only enter here to comment a few posts and that, don't have time to keep the survivor by now. Will surely retake it after things calm down, mostly on the next semester as it won't be as savage.
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Apparently, everyone lies in this thread
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Hey, it takes like 10 minutes maximum to set the threads up. Just cut them from your sleeping time. ;)
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Alright, here they are.
One thing occurred to me for when you see the scores, especially since two of you played in my roulette: Even though we're doing these out of 10 points, don't think about these scores based on what scores I would have given in my solo roulette. I've made a conscious attempt in this one to be a little more critical and thus the scores here are probably a half point to a whole point lower than they would have been in 425's Overinflated Scores Roulette. The best way to judge my scores for these songs compared to other songs, if you are so inclined, is to compare them to scores I've given in this roulette by multiplying them by either 1/2 or 3/2 to match with scores out of 5 or out of 15.
Beyond that, I have little more to say. This was a good round, but there was a definite third place finisher and a clear favorite as well.
Evermind: Blind Guardian - Wheel of Time
To my utter shock, Evermind sent an epic power/symphonic metal song in the finals portion of a roulette. :P
This is really one of those massive songs that I appreciate for its scale and scope, particularly when it executes well. And this one does execute pretty well. The symphonic elements add to the song instead of just serving as ornamentation as they sometimes can do. There are some interesting vocal melodies, particularly in the “response” section of the chorus (the part that isn’t “the grand wheel of time”). And there’s a nice Eastern influence that gives this a somewhat different vibe.
One of my favorite aspects of symphonic metal is that there are sometimes quiet parts where the symphonic part takes the lead, and then it bursts back into the metallic section, and this one has one of those, which I like. Here, there’s kind of a section where the Eastern guitar work takes over, then gives way to a swelling orchestra that then leads back into a full band vocal section. I think it’s pretty cool.
There’s not really anything to dislike here. This is a good, epic track.
Nekov: The Apple Seed Cast - Great Lake Derelict
So here we have a kind of post-rocky guitar-centric rock song. I say guitar-centric because the guitar really is the main attraction on this track. There’s a lot of good and at time unconventional melodic work that the guitarist on this one is doing, particularly in the intro, but really throughout the whole thing.
The vocal parts are good as well, though they aren’t the centerpiece of the song. The singer is a bit nondescript, but his voice is pretty good. There are some good melodies that make this song pretty memorable vocally as well as in terms of guitar work.
The weird part about this song, in my opinion, is the percussion. The drumming is very, very busy, which is something that I’m not really crazy about. It just seems like it’s taken to an unnecessary point at times. However, as I got used to some of the unusual rhythms in this one, it started to make more sense to me. This is definitely the one this round that has most benefitted from a higher number of listens.
Sacul: Florence + The Machine - Seven Devils
Sacul needs badly to figure out how to impress me early in a roulette. Both times, he’s had a slow start but really gotten into the groove of what I like towards the end and started putting up good scores. This song won’t break that trend.
Dissonant violins? Who cares, that part lasts like 10 seconds and it’s in the background.
This song is really incredible. Sacul, we may have a lot of musical disagreements, but one area where we can agree, I think, is love of atmosphere. This song has an awesome, dark atmosphere. There’s almost a churchy sense to this one, but in a dark way. It kind of reminds me of the atmosphere of a lot of Susanne Sundfřr’s music, really, but a little different—definitely its own thing.
Florence (I assume that’s the name of the singer :lol ) parts on a really impressive and powerful vocal performance in this song. I love the vocal layering that goes on in the chorus and everything else about the chorus as well.
This is just a fantastic song, one of the best you’ve sent in this roulette. And the best of this round, in my opinion.
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now just to wait for the inevitable red
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Sacul should really thank me for rejecting his song, the way this is turning out.
And funnily enough, I think our write-ups on nekov's song are pretty much opposites. You liked what I found nothing particularly amazing, and vice-versa.
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Well, weird, busy percussion will almost never succeed with me, whereas a nice song with some interesting melodies is fine by me.
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Sacul should really thank me for rejecting his song, the way this is turning out.
Thanks for disliking the Gazpacho song and saving my arse on this round :-*
You should check that song, 425, it has a wonderful atmosphere and great melodies :P
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note to self: 425 hates drums
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Tribal drumming specifically :P
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send the angelic process in the last round :tup
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note to self: 425 hates drums
Not the most inaccurate thing I've read.
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send the angelic process in the last round :tup
Don't tempt me :lol
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Do not fret, all shall be revealed in due time.
The Appleseed Cast - Great Lake Derelict
This is an interesting blend of many different genres of music. I think it is unique and adds to how much I like it. It almost has that indie pop/rock sound that is popular at the moment in mainstream music but yet maintains an underground feel to it due to it's complexity. It still has a driving beat, but the piece is so intricately played (especially in the drums) that it almost has a prog feel to it even though (subjectively speaking) it doesn't have that feel to it, at least not this piece. The piece slowly builds up a crescendo to the end to it's climax as well, so the song doesn't stay in one place, even though it is a little repetitive in some of the thematic material in the instrumentation. Overall very good, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Blind Guardian - Wheel of Time
Yes, I haven't heard hardly any Blind Guardian. Can you believe it? It's true. This probably is a huge clue that plays into figuring out who I am. Anyway, I want to hear more after hearing this. This is solid symphonic metal. What really draws me in is that it isn't "Symphonic"... meaning that it's played by actual instruments. Sometimes "Symphonic" metal has classical themes but all the instruments are played on the synthesizer and I feel that's a cop out. This was very well done. The vocalist is SOLID. His voice fits PERFECTLY within the music, and I love the choral sound behind him as the chorus built up, especially in the recapitulation at the end. Very well done, I hope to hear more from this band in the future.
Florence + The Machine - Seven Devils
I know who F&TM are but don't know enough of their music to warrant banning them... I have liked what I heard (except when they sing live on SNL), and this isn't an exception. This is again well done. I love the mysterious sound that the song puts forth with the vocalist kind of holding back to reveal almost a more mysterious vocal line leading into the chorus, and then the ethereal, mystical sound the chorus puts forth is well done. I do want to hear more of their music, but I have heard a couple of songs they've done that I've liked more, and the song does tend to get a little repetitive at the end (not so much where it's dragging, but enough where I feel it). Still a very solid song.
Know who I am yet? ;)
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i'm so mad that bolsters is the red judge
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Nah, Red Judge has good tastes :neverusethis:
Ok, sending my 36-min epic in a while.
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Okay, I'm fine with you sending a 36 minute epic, but only so long as you don't turn around and say "results this weekend, right?" Because no. :P The only reason this round was so fast is because it was 18 minutes total.
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so, results tomorrow?
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Results right now.
Parama: Some Band That A Total Of Four People Have Ever Heard Of - Weird Metal Song
I didn't like this. The drums were weird. The vocals were too harsh. Your tastes suck.
2/10
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damn, i've never even sent burst in a roulette and you go dissing them already
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Parama: Some Band That A Total Of Four People Have Ever Heard Of - Weird Metal Song
This band is trying too hard to be like harsh noise - harsh noise. Fail.
1.5/10
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okay, now i -know- you're the red judge bolsters
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100% factual list of people it's not:
- It's not me
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how can i trust you though :neverusethis:
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You can't.
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Mmnn dunno, the Red banned list is pretty small.
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Meh, with such scoring variety there's no way I'm going to get these three points back, not from Sacul at least since he seems to have an upper hand when it comes to judges' tastes.
I won't congratulate you yet but I don't see myself winning this.
You can expect my song this evening.
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You can't.
thus i stand by my previous assertion
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Meh, with such scoring variety there's no way I'm going to get these three points back, not from Sacul at least since he seems to have an upper hand when it comes to judges' tastes.
Well, 3 points of difference in an out of 30 round is very little, so it's still anyone's game imo.
Funny thing is that now I'm starting to doubt about my final entry :lol
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Meh, with such scoring variety there's no way I'm going to get these three points back, not from Sacul at least since he seems to have an upper hand when it comes to judges' tastes.
Well, 3 points of difference in an out of 30 round is very little, so it's still anyone's game imo.
Funny thing is that now I'm starting to doubt about my final entry :lol
Well, I was sure I will gain some ground on you in this round. See how it turned out? :lol
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neko is going to send a 30/30 song and surprise us all
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Don't you mind if I send my song in flac? It's very detailed and layered, and it's not on Spotify :P
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Meh, with such scoring variety there's no way I'm going to get these three points back, not from Sacul at least since he seems to have an upper hand when it comes to judges' tastes.
I won't congratulate you yet but I don't see myself winning this.
You can expect my song this evening.
Keep in mind that there's always the possibility that Sacul might send something that has something in it that really bothers me and so I, in his terms, "meh" his song. If I give him a 6, say, you could make up all 3 points from me alone by getting a 9 and then you'd just need the other two judges to hold it steady. Even if he sends something I like but don't love, and you knock it out of the park, you could easily gain 2 points from me alone (like if I gave him a 7.5 and you a 9.5).
Not saying it's going to happen or even that it's likely to happen (especially because of the way Sacul has tended to catch fire with me late in roulettes), but I'm saying there's a chance, and it's not a chance that relies on Sacul sending Harsh Noise and you sending the second coming of Learning to Live.
Don't you mind if I send my song in flac? It's very detailed and layered, and it's not on Spotify :P
I don't mind. Don't know about the other two and Bolsters. I think Parama did something similar earlier in the roulette.
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If you're sending that mars volta song, I don't care because I have the album. I just never got around to listening to it for some reason.
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Yeah, right, whatever.
Sacul, which song is it? I might listen to it just for fun.
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I thought it would be that at first too, but Cassandra Gemini is 32 minutes not 36.
That said, go listen to that album already if you have it, what the hell
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If all of the judges are okay with FLAC it's fine by me.
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neko is going to send a 30/30 song and surprise us all
lolno. I have a song that will probably get me a 10 from Mr. Red but not sure how it will fare with the other 2 judges really, specially since the drums are a bit busy. Being 5 points down I can probably risk it but I'll take my time to decide
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I'm three points behind and I'll be sending a song that probably won't resonate with any of the judges. I don't think it really matters at that point though.
Also, I'm not going with rock / metal this time for the sake of surprise.
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@Evermind: come on, a bit more hope. If Sacul really goes through with his 30+ minutes song, there's a high chance someone will meh it.
And I'm okay with FLAC I guess. I'll probably convert it to mp3 for listening to it on the go, though.
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Ah, but the fact I lost hope here doesn't mean my song won't be awesome. It's just the matter of whether anyone will share my thoughts on it.
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No, it's not a Mars Volta song - and there's a high chance 425 will score it 6/10 because glitches :P
Will send it later today, want to upload it and make a decent writeup for it.
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it would be way funnier if the red judge would actually barely post in this thread at all
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Sent a question to 425 since he actually has Judas Priest on his banned list.
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Sent a question to 425 since he actually has Judas Priest on his banned list.
I thought you weren't sending rock or metal :P ::)
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Sent a question to 425 since he actually has Judas Priest on his banned list.
I thought you weren't sending rock or metal :P ::)
Indeed.
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Evermind is screaming, screaming for vengeance.
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Yep, I'll also fight you all under blood red skies. :lol
Sent. Who cares about 36-minutes long tracks when you can send five minutes of perfection?
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The closest I know to a 36-minute song is Sleeping in Traffic by Beardfish (35:44), the longest studio song I know of that's on one track, rather than split across several tracks.
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Sent. I'm gonna congratulate Sacul and Evermind for having a great roulette and being so consistent. :tup
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That's two submissions in.
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You mean 3. Sent one of my 10 favorite songs ever.
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:corn
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So results this weekend? :neverusethis:
Just kidding, take all the time you need, guys.
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Or maybe let's aim for this weekend after all, I think that will work better for my song. :biggrin:
Sent. I'm gonna congratulate Sacul and Evermind for having a great roulette and being so consistent. :tup
Right back at you. :tup
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I don't think my song will score that well but I fucking love it so I don't care - it's been a pleasure to play with you, djentleman. May the better song win :tup
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When do you guys think Mr. Red should reveal himself?
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I think he should post his own results for the last round :P
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That's what I was thinking.
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Nice, I'm looking forward to listening to your songs. Also, I think I'm going to be quite a bit slower than usual. I have a lot of work going on, a Steven Wilson concert to attend tonight, I'm away for the weekend and I heard someone sent a 36-minute-song :P.
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Nice, I'm looking forward to listening to your songs. Also, I think I'm going to be quite a bit slower than usual. I have a lot of work going on, a Steven Wilson concert to attend tonight, I'm away for the weekend and I heard someone sent a 36-minute-song :P.
Well, you've always been the quickest judge, so it should still keep up the average pace, I'd guess, unless the other two judges have similar problems.
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I think he should post his own results for the last round :P
This is actually a great idea :tup
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Its RoeDent
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What makes you think that?
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I dont even know
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Or maybe Mladen.
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Alright, I listened to Sacul's track and now I have some hope! I'm not kidding, there were some moments but damn, I almost turned it off during the intro. :lol The intro was painful.
So now that I think of it — in case Nekov doesn't send some brilliant 30/30 song — it all comes to an ultimate showdown between metal and Zantera / Sacul music. :lol
Hopefully I can turn it around and win this one for the metal side.
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Its RoeDent
It's not. I have absolutely zero experience in roulette participation. I don't know anywhere near enough bands to even participate in them.
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Its RoeDent
It's not. I have absolutely zero experience in roulette participation. I don't know anywhere near enough bands to even participate in them.
It was kind of a random guess because I have literally no idea :lol
It was just that I never saw you in any of these threads so I thought you had 0 interest in even being a participant, let alone a judge. I thought maybe you posting once or twice in this thread was a setup by Bolsters to give us a small hint or something.
Oh and since the banned list from Mr Red is relatively small it's probably not a regular participant anyways, I don't think we will get anywhere with these guesses.
Alright, I listened to Sacul's track and now I have some hope! I'm not kidding, there were some moments but damn, I almost turned it off during the intro. :lol The intro was painful.
I need to hear this now
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It's a mashup called The Octavarium of Tuscany. The intro is just MAH BRUTHA MAH BRUTHA M-M-M-M-M-M-M-MAH BRUTHA
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It's a mashup called The Octavarium of Tuscany. The intro is just MAH BRUTHA MAH BRUTHA M-M-M-M-M-M-M-MAH BRUTHA
Yeah, and it's being channeled through the music since there are no vocals.
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it was probably djent with harsh vocals
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Didn't you read my post? No vocals. Harsh noise, yes, harsh vocals, no.
I think there was some heavy breathing though. Does that count as vocals?
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A modern classical, electronic, instrumental piece, so nope Parama :tup
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A modern classical, electronic, instrumental piece, so nope Parama :tup
Have you listened to mine yet? I'd like to know if it's 2/5 or maybe you liked it all of a sudden. ;)
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Since when are we sharing songs? And no, I really don't think I'm getting a 30 so this is between you guys.
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Well I just wrote to Lucas and suggested we tell each other what we sent, because why not.
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A modern classical, electronic, instrumental piece, so nope Parama :tup
Have you listened to mine yet? I'd like to know if it's 2/5 or maybe you liked it all of a sudden. ;)
Only once but it was pretty nice :tup
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Something is wrong with the world... Sacul said my song is nice.
10/10 from all judges incoming.
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ev roulette won confirmed
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Sacul's song is worse than the second disc of The Astonishing
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Oh come on, it's not THAT bad ;)
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Am I not supposed to like the second disc of The Astonishing? I've spent so little time DT-side lately.
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:lol I wouldb't know tbh. I've only heard the entire album once.
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I'm just 2 minutes in and while I'm typing this I've been fooled into thinking my PC crashed two or three times already.
Your song leaked Sacul
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Did someone say leak? :bosk1:
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leeked
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I'm just 2 minutes in and while I'm typing this I've been fooled into thinking my PC crashed two or three times already.
Your song leaked Sacul
On my first listen right now, and 3 minutes in I totally get where you're coming from. :lol
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No use adding anything to the banned list now, but so that everyone knows what's going on, these are the final round submissions...
Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust
Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
Subsignal - The Size of Light on Earth
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I guess I should listen to the Subsignal song :P
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whoa which one did sacul send
where's harsh noi
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Don't know any of them, yet.
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Sending a 36 minutes long instrumental song might be the ballsiest move I've ever seen in roulettes.
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Add to that the fact it's the final round of the championship, and I'm risking my crown - I can feel the drama :corn
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13/30 incoming
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Add to that the fact it's the final round of the championship, and I'm throwing away my crown - I can feel the drama :corn
Fixed that for you.
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13/30 incoming
Wouldn't surprise me :lol
tbh it's my 5th/6th fav song ever so I don't care how this turns out, I can always blame your tastes :smiley:
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I've only sent an all time favorite once, and probably never will anymore even though it got 9.5/10 on the one occasion I sent it. I don't know, I just don't like the risk of an absolute favorite song of mine getting bashed even though it's with completely fair points.
And that all time favorite was apparently being used to death in roulettes by others so that was kind of a turn off aswell (Alter Bridge - Blackbird by the way)
EDIT: Also, those all-time favorites are mostly songs I tend to be overly confident in just because I like them so much for reasons no one will have after just 3-5 listens.
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I can't send my all-time favourite song because Pink Floyd is always banned. :lol
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I've only sent an all time favorite once, and probably never will anymore even though it got 9.5/10 on the one occasion I sent it. I don't know, I just don't like the risk of an absolute favorite song of mine getting bashed even though it's with completely fair points.
I spam one of my favorites (Coldplay - Midnight) all the time, and every time people like it but don't share the level of love that I have for it.
Not giving anything away for the final round, but just in terms of logistics, if you looked at basic information about these songs' lengths and styles, I think you could easily see how this will be a very difficult round to judge.
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Take all the time you need :smiley:
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I sent comforting sounds once and bolsters meh'd it, and train didn't love idioglossia nearly enough
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Took me exactly one listen to decide Sacul's song isn't for me big time. But I'm not the judge here, so yeah, you should be thorough and brace yourself for multiple listens.
Idioglossia is :metal . But it's really much more :metal in context of the album when you've already heard Ashes and the chorus is making a reprise, becoming more frantic with each repeat.
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I can't send my all-time favourite song because Pink Floyd is always banned. :lol
Yea I guess you should've paid more attention to the banned list in my roulette :lol the only song I was genuinely familiar with was Another Brick in the Wall and Wish You Were Here to a lesser extent.
I sent comforting sounds once and bolsters meh'd it, and train didn't love idioglossia nearly enough
I'm so fucking slow with PoS, I've been wanting to check them out for so long but only listened to 'BE' once. I remember liking Idioglossia more upon more listens but there were like atleast 4 songs on BE I prefered, I don't know them by name except for Iter Impius.
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I can't send my all-time favourite song because Pink Floyd is always banned. :lol
Yea I guess you should've paid more attention to the banned list in my roulette :lol the only song I was genuinely familiar with was Another Brick in the Wall and Wish You Were Here to a lesser extent.
I sent comforting sounds once and bolsters meh'd it, and train didn't love idioglossia nearly enough
I'm so fucking slow with PoS, I've been wanting to check them out for so long but only listened to 'BE' once. I remember liking Idioglossia more upon more listens but there were like atleast 4 songs on BE I prefered, I don't know them by name except for Iter Impius.
Yeah, and when Pink Floyd aren't banned I don't notice it. :lol
BE isn't a good starting album to be honest, in my opinion at least. TPE pt. 1 or Remedy Lane should do the trick.
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BE was actually the album that got me really into PoS :lol
but TPE and RL are both superior and more consistent records so yeah
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Yeah I kinda got 'native constructed'* there, only slightly different. It wasn't the artwork that drew me in, but I was a big fan of the latin song titles
*'native constructed': when something looks totally legit judging by the cover but turns out to be bad musically
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*'native constructed': when something looks totally legit judging by the cover but turns out to be bad musically
I'm sooo stealing this. :lol
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I thought the 36 minute long song was a joke :lol Also, what the hell am I listening to?
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I thought the 36 minute long song was a joke :lol Also, what the hell am I listening to?
You can listen to mine, it's nice enough. Even Sacul admitted that!
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Yeah I kinda got 'native constructed'* there, only slightly different. It wasn't the artwork that drew me in, but I was a big fan of the latin song titles
*'native constructed': when something looks totally legit judging by the cover but turns out to be bad musically
I thought you really liked the native construct album though? :lol
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I thought the 36 minute long song was a joke :lol Also, what the hell am I listening to?
You can listen to mine, it's nice enough. Even Sacul admitted that!
I did, not my kind of thing really. Lucky for you two, I'm not judging this :P
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Huh, maybe I should've gone with metal after all.
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Yeah I kinda got 'native constructed'* there, only slightly different. It wasn't the artwork that drew me in, but I was a big fan of the latin song titles
*'native constructed': when something looks totally legit judging by the cover but turns out to be bad musically
I thought you really liked the native construct album though? :lol
Oh I love it, top 3 2015 album, probably the #2. It's just everytime I see the cover I remember the PM Evermind sent (or it was in the Mute writeup for his roulette) where he said that he would consider buying the album based on its cover art. I always picture him buying the album with a big smile on his face and then coming home to find out it's everything he didn't expect :lol
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Huh, maybe I should've gone with metal after all.
I did, let's see how that works
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I don't think this Subsignal song is metal, actually. It's kind of like Finisterre which I received in my roulette, more on the rock side I guess.
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True, it's on the softer side. I didn't want to go full metal either :P
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should've sent burzum
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should've sent burzum
Would have but the judges are not trve kvlt
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True, it's on the softer side. I didn't want to go full metal either :P
My first impression was more like soft prog-rock bordering on ambient honestly. That song was about as metal as the ice cream I just ate.
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Also, what the hell am I listening to?
Completely valid question :lol
And is the answer good or bad?
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Also, what the hell am I listening to?
Completely valid question :lol
And is the answer good or bad?
To be honest I didn't listen to the whole thing. I skipped through it to check if everything was as weird as the first part but it seemed like it would be a titanic effort to take it all in one listen so I gave up.
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Also, what the hell am I listening to?
Completely valid question :lol
And is the answer good or bad?
To be honest I didn't listen to the whole thing. I skipped through it to check if everything was as weird as the first part but it seemed like it would be a titanic effort to take it all in one listen so I gave up.
The first 3 mins are the only weird part, the rest, specially the second half, is more acoustic. Or just check what happens at 19:00 and tell me that ain't beautiful :'(
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:corn
I'm hyped for this, more than I actually thought I would be.
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sacul is probably really dumb for sending a 36 minute song but i kinda hope he wins anyways, but i honestly don't think he will. he probably wouldn't if i was a judge at least, but i'm not a judge
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sacul is probably really dumb for sending a 36 minute song but i kinda hope he wins anyways, but i honestly don't think he will. he probably wouldn't if i was a judge at least, but i'm not a judge
Don't forget it's an instrumental song too.
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with electronic glitches
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I guess I'm starting to regret sending it :lol
Prepared for 7/30 :P
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I mean, if Dimension Act was allowed, I'd probably sent a 32-minute song by them too, but I already used it in 425's roulette.
And it actually has vocals. I think my biggest gripe with your song is that it's an instrumental. I knew it was an instrumental and I still waited for the vocals to come in. :lol I'm such a traditional metal guy when it comes to music. Can't fathom a 30+ minutes long instrumental.
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I think it's cool how the top 3 ended up being (atleast from what I've seen) very different in music styles.
Don't think Sacul will win this either to be honest, but he atleast got me very surprised to even end up in the finals. I haven't heard either of Nekov/Everminds songs so I can't say for sure, but with the current standings my money is on the russian.
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You haven't listened to much post-rock either Ev, I guess :P
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Well, Subsignal is bound to get a good - but probably not great - scores, a decent song and enjoyable too. Mine is more of a coinflip I guess, but I can see how all the judges might enjoy that one.
I actually can see Nekov winning this if my song falls flat for both Tyrias and 425. Doubt that will happen, but you never know.
You haven't listened to much post-rock either Ev, I guess :P
Nah, I think I've heard Heligoland by Massive Attack and that's it. Are Massive Attack even post-rock? :lol I don't know.
Oh wait, they're trip hop. Yeah, alright.
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That's like their worst album, dude :lol
I legit think you'd enjoy their debut tho, almost sent you a song from it.
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Well, how was I to know that? Someone sent me Pray for Rain and told me to listen to the whole album. :lol
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That's the only great song there :lol
Did you like the whole thing, tho? Just curious :P
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That's the only great song there :lol
Did you like the whole thing, tho? Just curious :P
I don't really remember, it was like 5 years ago. I think I kind of liked Pray for Rain and meh'd the whole album.
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Doesn't surprise me, it's pretty unmemorable as a whole. Their new EP is dope tho.
So, results when? :P
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So, results when? :P
Well, like I said I was away over the weekend so I'm still only one listen in. I'd say wednesday at the earliest for me, quite possibly later. It all totally depends on how long it takes before I feel like I have a good grasp on your song and can make a fair judgment (<- opeth nugget).
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Deliver them whenever you're ready, which means results next month :tup
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Let's be real, I'm never going to be completely ready to deliver results on a round that includes two short songs and one 36 minute instrumental.
But I'll probably end up delivering Wednesday as well. Patterns in the ivy.
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it's even more disproportional than when i send loddod lol
at least there were two half-hour tracks in that round too
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Well, Subsignal is bound to get a good - but probably not great - scores, a decent song and enjoyable too. Mine is more of a coinflip I guess, but I can see how all the judges might enjoy that one.
I actually can see Nekov winning this if my song falls flat for both Tyrias and 425. Doubt that will happen, but you never know.
I didn't have a lot of hope when I sent but after listening to the other songs I have some now. While I didn't like Evermind's song I can see the judges giving it a good score and Sacul's song is too risky to even attempt to figure out what's going to happen with it. I guess we all just have to wait.
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it's even more disproportional than when i send loddod lol
at least there were two half-hour tracks in that round too
Exactly. Yours was an hour long, but all the songs in the round put together were around 4 hours long, so you were about 25% of the length. Here Sacul is like 78% of the length.
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I can picture Tyrias and 425 liking Ev's song quite well, but Mr Red will probably say it's just ok. I haven't listened to Diego's yet, but seems we all went with risky choices :lol
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Mr. Red plans to post results this Wednesday aswell.
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So how broad is Wednesday in your time zones? It's 8.30 PM Tuesday here now. Can we perhaps expect results in 24 hours? ;)
Just want to know a relative timeframe when it happens so I could feverishly hit F5 on my PC or the refresh button on my phone every few minutes.
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So how broad is Wednesday in your time zones? It's 8.30 PM Tuesday here now. Can we perhaps expect results in 24 hours? ;)
Just want to know a relative timeframe when it happens so I could feverishly hit F5 on my PC or the refresh button on my phone every few minutes.
It's 1:35 PM Tuesday where I am. It is conceivable that you'll see results in the next 24 hours, but I wouldn't bet on it. 36 yes. I will try for 24, but I don't want to promise it because it may not happen for myriad reasons.
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7:30pm here, but I'm starting to doubt I'll get Sacul's song with just 2 more listens :lol
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Of course, that's theoretically possible. It could also be a couple of hours earlier, or later.
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425, don't push yourself or anything. I was just wondering. Well, and trying to keep the thread alive, that is.
7:30pm here, but I'm starting to doubt I'll get Sacul's song with just 2 more listens :lol
Just give him 3.5/10. :biggrin:
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3.6/10 tbh
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Well, it wasn't worse than Native Construct - Mute, I'll give him that. The thing is, I don't think it was much better too.
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I love how just about everybody has listened to Sacul's song as this round has gone on. Interesting to have several people who aren't judging listen along.
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To spice this up a bit, have some tidbits (more like impressions, as I'm pretty sure they won't end up in the final write-up for the most part).
I knew I would like this one after the first five seconds.
This seems to be really good music for having in the background when you're contemplating god, the world and everything in between.
This has lots of elements I normally really like in a song, but for some reason the whole thing just fails to impress me.
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well, the middle is obvious but the other two could be either or
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Well I doubt you liked the five seconds of synths in Nekov's song that much, though I guess anything could happen at this point. First five seconds off Sacul song is four keyboard notes, so I guess that's off the table too? Which means this one could be mine. I hope it is. I referred to my song as "Tyrias' awesome song" in my head. :lol
So I'd say my song is the first, Sacul's is the second and Nekov's the third. Which means it's probably not the case, I tend to get tidbits wrong.
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Well I doubt you liked the five seconds of synths in Nekov's song that much, thought I guess anything could happen at this point. First five seconds off Sacul song is four keyboard notes, so I guess that's off the table too? Which means this one could be mine. I hope it is. I referred to my song as "Tyrias' awesome song" in my head. :lol
So I'd say my song is the first, Sacul's is the second and Nekov's the third. Which means it's probably not the case, I tend to get tidbits wrong.
Agree with that order.
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Dunno, I think Stella is anything but background music, even if it is for contemplating deep topics - I personally have to be very immersed into the piece, otherwise it doesn't work for me. So I hope the first writeup is mine, but wouldn't surprise me if it is the last one :lol
Had it been released earlier, I'd have sent Daisuke's City in the Lake from the sequel to that album, Program Music II - probably my favourite song of the year so far. Oh well :P
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Dunno, I think Stella is anything but background music, even if it is for contemplating deep topics - I personally have to be very immersed into the piece, otherwise it doesn't work for me.
I mean, it is a 36-minute instrumental.
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I sent one of my favorite songs of the year too, didn't turn out too well :lol And I'm probably not going to send my #1 song of the year so far because it's Deftones and I'd rather not send Deftones at all to be honest
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Dunno, I think Stella is anything but background music, even if it is for contemplating deep topics - I personally have to be very immersed into the piece, otherwise it doesn't work for me.
I mean, it is a 36-minute instrumental.
:angel:
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maybe I'll send bing satellites in a roulette someday
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Well I doubt you liked the five seconds of synths in Nekov's song that much, though I guess anything could happen at this point. First five seconds off Sacul song is four keyboard notes, so I guess that's off the table too? Which means this one could be mine. I hope it is. I referred to my song as "Tyrias' awesome song" in my head. :lol
So I'd say my song is the first, Sacul's is the second and Nekov's the third. Which means it's probably not the case, I tend to get tidbits wrong.
Just throwing in that the weird glitches in Sacul's song only appear after the first 5 seconds. And don't take that 5 seconds to literally, it's more like "the first moments".
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IT'S WEDNESDAY ALREADY WHY ARE THERE NO RESULTS OMG YOU LAZY JUDGES!!!!
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I'm nervous and I'm not sure I want to see the results anymore. :lol
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:soon:
But seriously, about 3 hours? I have class soon, and I want to get in one more listen as I do the writeups. And also I have to decide what the scores are going to be, still don't know those yet. :lol
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3 hours? Damn, I'm going to sleep in two hours I think. Not sure if I can handle three.
And if I wake up and see my song got a low score, the working day will be ruined for me. :biggrin:
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3 hours? Damn, I'm going to sleep in two hours I think. Not sure if I can handle three.
And if I wake up and see my song got a low score, the working day will be ruined for me. :biggrin:
You have a third option, which is not looking at the results until you finish your work day tomorrow though you'll probably have an anxiety attack somewhere in the middle :lol
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3 hours? Damn, I'm going to sleep in two hours I think. Not sure if I can handle three.
And if I wake up and see my song got a low score, the working day will be ruined for me. :biggrin:
You have a third option, which is not looking at the results until you finish your work day tomorrow though you'll probably have an anxiety attack somewhere in the middle :lol
Yeah, that's why it's not an option. :lol
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Never mind, I'm working on writeups now. I just started Sacul's song and I'll post as soon as it ends. So like four days from now.
Can't control what the others do, but at least you'll have from me tonight, Evermind.
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Nice! If my song scores low, I probably won't be able to sleep.
Who am I kidding though, getting up at 5 A.M. or earlier makes me falling asleep almost instantly every time my head hits the pillow in the evening. I'll be fine. :lol
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I'm nervous and I'm not sure I want to see the results anymore. :lol
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I'll probably start writing my write-ups tonight, but I'm not sure if (1) I'll be able to finish them (2) if I want to post them so close to 425's results. It's much more exciting if things are going on a bit longer. Also, there's Mr Red's reveal as well in the next hours, if he keeps up his plan of posting results today, so that should give enough information for discussion for a few hours.
And I'm thinking a normal write-up doesn't quite do justice to Sacul's song, with the whole it-being-36-minutes-long-and-an-instrumental thing going on, so I'm planning something special.
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And I'm thinking a normal write-up doesn't quite do justice to Sacul's song, with the whole it-being-36-minutes-long-and-an-instrumental thing going on, so I'm planning something special.
I think since it's a Sacul song it deserves a Sacul-styled write-up.
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
Meh. Honestly, this song sucked. 2.5/10
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Nah, I think to fit the song, the writeup must be similar to it.
So you should write a big wall of text in chinese or something to reflect the song, because it's an enormous song that's virtualiy not understandable.
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Japanese I think.
Okay, I think I'll grab another beer while I'm waiting. Come on 425.
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I promise longer write-ups on my v3 :lol
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Here they are.
Evermind: Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust
I have little doubt that this is the song that Tyrias was talking about when he said he loved it from the first five seconds. If it’s one of the other two, I’ll be very surprised. Because that’s exactly how I feel about this song. The first five seconds in themselves are such an amazing introduction that lead so well into the main instrumental motif of the song, which is also really good. The guitar and piano here certainly aren’t the main focus, but they’re really good and quite interesting, particularly by the standards of a song like this.
Her voice, of course, is the main attraction, and she has a spectacular voice. Just really beautiful and versatile, stylistically and emotionally. Evermind, you said this:
425, I think this song will connect with you too. I know this is no Susanne Sundfor, but I swear, Joan Baez is a better singer for me, and the whole song is so strong in both instrumental and vocal melodies and vocals department it's ridiculous. Also, remember how you didn't like the lyrics in Roger Waters song in Round 4 so you even took away some points from me? Well, maybe this song will make you give me some additional points for the lyrics instead. I think Joan's a great lyricist and this is one of her finest works.
I can’t disagree with any of this (well, except the very last part—I can’t comment since I don’t know her other works). This is a really strong song that I like quite a bit. It’s my favorite of this round. Whether that’s enough to win the roulette, I do not know, and that’s 67% out of my hands, anyway. But you won the round as far as I’m concerned.
Nekov: Subsignal - The Size of Light on Earth
So here’s a pretty nice prog rock song. I think this is a good song that has several things going for it. The vocalist is good, he manages to have a high voice that is still pretty warm and emotional. There is a nice, uplfiting-sounding chorus which is memorable and pleasant.
The instrumentation is solid, I like the synths which are the main focus of the song, and I think the guitars do exactly what they should do in a synth-heavy prog rock song. There’s a solid musical progression through the song that takes it to a solid climax.
In short, this is a good song; I have no complaints about it whatsoever. There’s a good chorus that I like quite a bit. But at the same time, it doesn’t cross that line from good into great. I do like this song a fair bit, but I’m afraid it’s just not going to be enough to win the round.
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
This is such a Sacul thing to send it’s crazy. This is like the epitome of, as Evermind eloquently put it, “Zantera / Sacul music.” Which means no one has any idea how well I will like it, since sometimes I give Sacul really good scores and sometimes I’ll, to use Sacul’s term, “meh” them. And I’ve been trying to keep it vague how I feel about this song. One reason for that is supense, and the other is that I don’t quite know myself. But let’s dive in.
Okay, the first three minutes are supremely obnoxious. The glitches are so unnecessary and so unhelpful. The song will get going on some very nice track, with a string part or a guitar melody, and then boop bzzt fjflahghalgh it jumps over into something else. It kind of drove me just a little bit crazy the first few times how it doesn’t ever stick with something. Or at least transition to other things without the glitching. I’m sorry, Sacul, but I don’t think I’ll ever appreciate glitching. Why do they do this?
And unfortunately, the glitching doesn’t entirely go away after the first few minutes. It keeps cropping up at various intervals throughout the song, usually when the music has been going on a pretty melody for a while, there’s a glitch. I don’t really appreciate it. I don’t see why the composer would break through a sequence of beautiful music to make it sound like my headphones have been damaged.
So that’s the expected rant about glitching.
On the other hand, this song has a lot going for it. There are a ton of beautiful melodies that really draw me in. I can see what Sacul loves so much about this. There are so many different instruments: strings, piano, drums, guitar. And it goes through so many different sections, so many different moods. There’s so much to take in.
Which is part of the problem of sending this in a roulette. It’s like Parama sending Light of Day, Day of Darkness. It’s just too much for me to really get a handle on what all is going on within a reasonable time span for a roulette round.
Here’s the deal with this one. This is like Evermind’s Roger Waters entry with the lyrics. There is a lot that I love in this song, but it’s also somewhat marred by the glitching. Asking me to score this is like asking me to score a beautiful painting after tossing splotches of paint haphazardly on it. And I only have 45 seconds after first looking at it come up with a score. I don’t know how to score that. I don’t know how to score that at all. And yet I came up with a score. So there you go.
But really, I like very much a lot about this piece. I just wish there was a version where the intro made sense and all the glitching was removed. I know you don’t, Sacul, because I know you like that stuff. But honestly, this would be a very high scoring song for me if not for those glaring problems. Not only that, it would probably be a song that I would really love and come back to frequently, that I will listen to much less frequently because of those issues. But I still genuinely like it in spite of everything. So take that as you will.
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But you liked the lyrics, right?
And, phew, well, as much I as had doubts about my song - I still have them, you know - I was almost sure 425 of all people will like it. My prediction about the scores: 9.5 (or 9) for my song, 8 or 8.5 for Nekov's, 7 or 7.5 for Sacul's.
Alright, can't walk past this too:
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
There are so many different instruments: strings, piano, drums, guitar.
Hahahaha. Damn, you know, I can send you a lot of songs with so many different instruments you'll be amazed. :lol
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I'm just spamming the refresh button to find out if Mr. Red shows up at the "users viewing this thread" when he is about to post the results :laugh: I'm really curious.
This is kinda what I expected from 425's results even though I haven't heard a note of Ruslan's and Nekov's songs, I don't know if Sacul will get away with it so easily with the other judges, even though this wasn't good enough to win either.
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Alright I just can't stop.
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
This is like Evermind’s Roger Waters entry with the lyrics.
It really isn't. :lol
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Yup, expected this :P
If you want something similar but without the glitches, check the sequel to that album, Program Music II. Came out this weekend and it's probably my AOTY with just two spins so far. Really beautiful album, with only real instruments. I recommend it to all of you :smiley:
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Yup, expected this :P
Evermind is going for the win...
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Yup, expected this :P
Evermind is going for the win...
Wait until Mr. Red smashes all my hopes to the ground. :lol
Also, 425, sent you a PM regarding Joan Baez. Now I'll just go and get some sleep.
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Ok, so I'm doing my write-ups now, but I'm sticking with my earlier plan of not releasing them today.
Meanwhile, have some information about Mr. Red's identity:
One or more of the pieces of information we gave you about his identity was/were an outright lie. I'm not saying which one(s), though.
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But you liked the lyrics, right?
Yes.
And, phew, well, as much I as had doubts about my song - I still have them, you know - I was almost sure 425 of all people will like it. My prediction about the scores: 9.5 (or 9) for my song, 8 or 8.5 for Nekov's, 7 or 7.5 for Sacul's.
No.
Alright, can't walk past this too:
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
There are so many different instruments: strings, piano, drums, guitar.
Hahahaha. Damn, you know, I can send you a lot of songs with so many different instruments you'll be amazed. :lol
I'm silly. Made sense in my head. :lol
Alright I just can't stop.
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
This is like Evermind’s Roger Waters entry with the lyrics.
It really isn't. :lol
It's like that in the sense that I really liked that song in all ways except the lyrics. I really like Sacul's song in all ways except the glitches.
Yup, expected this :P
If you want something similar but without the glitches, check the sequel to that album, Program Music II. Came out this weekend and it's probably my AOTY with just two spins so far. Really beautiful album, with only real instruments. I recommend it to all of you :smiley:
Will 100% for sure check that. Because that song without the glitches would be excellent.
EDIT: I feel like my Sacul writeup may have overestimated the role that the glitches played in my score, just based on people's reactions... I probably liked that song better than any of the people who listened to it once and gave their reactions in this thread. Which makes sense, because I listened to it four times and they only heard it once. I just want to be clear about how big a role the glitches played, which was notable but not massive, because the rest of the song was really good. As inordinately long instrumentals go, way ahead of Three Minute Warning.
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Ok, so I'm doing my write-ups now, but I'm sticking with my earlier plan of not releasing them today.
Meanwhile, have some information about Mr. Red's identity:
One or more of the pieces of information we gave you about his identity was/were an outright lie. I'm not saying which one(s), though.
it's
bolsters
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It's not Bolsters.
Or is it?
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Yeah right. Maybe Bolsters when he was an 8-year old, that banned list is like 1/20 of his current one :lol
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the ban list is short bcuz the judge wanted to hide their identity, it's pretty obvious tbh
the few curveball artists are there to throw us off track
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Indeed it is. Plus, any doubles with the first list didn't have to be included.
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I doubt Bolsters could run two roulettes at the same time - besides, Mr Red has a preference for creative music, and has meh'd some generic prog/power metal tracks. And the writing style... doesn't match with Bolsters' imo.
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It's not Bolsters. He has said so many times.
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Meanwhile, have some information about Mr. Red's identity:
One or more of the pieces of information we gave you about his identity was/were an outright lie. I'm not saying which one(s), though.
...
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Meanwhile, have some information about Mr. Red's identity:
One or more of the pieces of information we gave you about his identity was/were an outright lie. I'm not saying which one(s), though.
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Maybe this sentence is the lie Tyrias was talking about, clever dude.
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Looking at the banned list... maybe it's splent?
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Meanwhile, have some information about Mr. Red's identity:
One or more of the pieces of information we gave you about his identity was/were an outright lie. I'm not saying which one(s), though.
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Maybe this sentence is the lie Tyrias was talking about, clever dude.
I was just going to write that, but you beat me to it :lol.
In other news, I'm pretty sure I just wrote the most pretentious write-up in the history of roulettes. Either that, or the most moving one. I'm not entirely sure yet myself.
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I have a message from Mr. Red:
Mr. Red had just a bit of trouble playing Sacul's track, but finally got it figured out; he will get a few listens in before tonight. Or at least 1. Maybe the song won't end before he plans on posting. We will have to see....
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I have a message from Mr. Red:
Mr. Red had just a bit of trouble playing Sacul's track, but finally got it figured out; he will get a few listens in before tonight. Or at least 1. Maybe the song won't end before he plans on posting. We will have to see....
Only problem with that, it's already tonight here :lol
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Mr Red, give it all the listened you need, I'm almost sure I won't win this so take your time :lol
Btw guys, did you manage to play the FLAC? Or just went with the mp3? I'm curious :P
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I went with the MP3 because my college monitors Wi-Fi usage for illegal downloading, so I used LTE in order to avoid the risk of using the Wi-Fi—but went with MP3 so as to not stretch my data plan.
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I went with the MP3 because my college monitors Wi-Fi usage for illegal downloading, so I used LTE in order to avoid the risk of using the Wi-Fi—but went with MP3 so as to not stretch my data plan.
Wow. that's some strict college rules.
I listened to the mp3 as well. I honestly don't hear the difference between an mp3 and a FLAC, so I just went with the one I knew I could play easily.
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Well I hope you used that hi-fi system at least once :tup
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where the hell do you go to college, somewhere in China?
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Well I hope you used that hi-fi system at least once :tup
I did.
where the hell do you go to college, somewhere in China?
Yeah, right. Where I live professors put illegal copies of books on our official learning platform so we don't have to buy them :lol
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I went with the MP3 because my college monitors Wi-Fi usage for illegal downloading, so I used LTE in order to avoid the risk of using the Wi-Fi—but went with MP3 so as to not stretch my data plan.
Wow. that's some strict college rules.
I'm not sure they actually do it, but they say they do, and I'd rather not risk it.
where the hell do you go to college, somewhere in China?
A private college that doesn't want to face any sort of legal liability, I guess.
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I went with the MP3 because my college monitors Wi-Fi usage for illegal downloading, so I used LTE in order to avoid the risk of using the Wi-Fi—but went with MP3 so as to not stretch my data plan.
Wow. that's some strict college rules.
I'm not sure they actually do it, but they say they do, and I'd rather not risk it.
Well a friend of mine too, thus he can't use torrents, but MEGA is a cloud-based storage site, and I'm pretty sure they can't track exactly what you're downloading, so he gets his music from there.
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I mean, I'm pretty strongly opposed to downloading anyway, I'm only willing to use it on a temporary basis in extenuating circumstances like this.
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EDIT: I feel like my Sacul writeup may have overestimated the role that the glitches played in my score, just based on people's reactions... I probably liked that song better than any of the people who listened to it once and gave their reactions in this thread. Which makes sense, because I listened to it four times and they only heard it once. I just want to be clear about how big a role the glitches played, which was notable but not massive, because the rest of the song was really good. As inordinately long instrumentals go, way ahead of Three Minute Warning.
Got it, so only one point difference between me and Sacul.
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Mr Red has a preference for creative music, and has meh'd some generic prog/power metal tracks
I think I've meh'd my fair share of generic prog metal tracks, and I do like creative stuff. I think I even sent you some, although perhaps we have different interpretations.
Not trying to convince you that I'm Mr. Red of course, but this is faulty logic. :P
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Let's just say that I'm the judge with the lowest post count in here.
tbh if bolsters isn't red then this post is the lie tho
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Let's just say that I'm the judge with the lowest post count in here.
tbh if bolsters isn't red then this post is the lie tho
It's true.
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my statement, or tyrias' post?
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Who cares? Just bring on the results. :biggrin:
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Who cares? Just bring on the results. :biggrin:
tbh yeah
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my statement, or tyrias' post?
Tyrias has fewer posts than Mr. Red.
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alright, so the literal only candidates are Train and Bolsters, and i guess it could be Train but... nah, it's Bolsters
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alright, so the literal only candidates are Train and Bolsters, and i guess it could be Train but... nah, it's Bolsters
Wait, are you talking about posts in the thread? I think Tyrias meant he had less posts total that Mr. Red, not that he'd posted less in here than him.
I can't remember if Mr. Red has posted in this thread or not and I can't be bothered to check all 40 pages to find out. If he did it's a couple of posts at most.
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i thought he meant posts in-thread but i guess he could mean total post count too :lol
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i thought he meant posts in-thread but i guess he could mean total post count too :lol
I meant total posts in the forum, not just this thread.
Also, write-ups in about an hour.
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so it's bosk.
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So, I tried to really give these write-ups enough effort, since this is the final after all. Also, Evermind and Nekov guessed my tidbits correctly.
Nekov: Subsignal - The Size Of Light On Earth
Like I said, there’s nothing here I dislike and lots of stuff I normally like. The keyboard at the beginning sets a nice atmosphere, and then instruments slowly get added to it. Everything here serves the song and is quite beautiful, though I don’t quite understand why you said this was metal influenced. There’s absolutely nothing that even borders on metal. Just because a song has some distorted guitars doesn’t make it metal. But ok, I won’t hold that against it. Despite usually not being too fond of this more high-pitched vocal style, it fits quite nicely here. The drums are taking the backseat in this one, especially compared to your song last round, and never really stick out, but serve the song nicely. It has nice melodies, and the chorus is somewhat catchy as well.
Yet, for some reason, it just doesn’t do all that much for me as a whole. It has a very chill, relaxing vibe, but something about the emotions here just feels a bit… fake. And I don’t think it’s the singer, he sounds good enough and is really into song. Something about the guitar tone, combined with the keyboards, just gives it this less-than-honest feeling. Like they cared more about perfecting the musical aspect and having everything like they wanted, but forgot to add that ‘rawness’ that distinguishes a heartfelt song from an overproduced sounding one. Honestly, I’m still not sure if I captured exactly what feels fake to me in that last paragraph, but it’s my best try.
So, all in all, nice song, but lacking some things that would put you back in the contest for the top. I’m afraid it’s going to be between Evermind and Sacul, especially considering 425’s write-ups (not knowing anything about Mr. Red, though).
Evermind: Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust
I knew I’d love this song after the first 5 seconds, and that first impression proved to be pretty damn right. The short guitar intro sets the atmosphere for this song absolutely perfectly, and it’s a fantastic atmosphere. It has that kind of raw, sad, desert-like atmosphere. Like being on a road trip through a desert, in a car with no cooling or heating. That song would be the perfect soundtrack for that.
What else is there to say about this song? While the instrumentation is certainly awesome and sets the atmosphere, the real star here is doubtlessly her voice. When I did my last listen before writing the write-ups, my mum came in and asked: ‘This is Joan Baez right? That can only be her voice.’ I have to agree with her, Joan Baez’ voice is both fantastic and unique. I also agree that the lyrics are awesome, or at least the fragments I picked out. See, I’m not usually a person who actually pays attention to lyrics, but the pieces I paid attention to here perfectly fit with the atmosphere and the emotion in her voice.
I’m not going to tell you if this was my favourite song this round, since Sacul’s write-up is rather cryptic and I would rather not destroy all the suspense for who is going to win this. I did like this significantly more than Nekov’s song, I felt it had exactly that raw power and emotion that his song was lacking.
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
Cold. Cold in his hand. A laugh. Her smile. Water dripping into the sink. Can’t be. It’s off. The ticking of a clock. Drip. Drip. Drip.
Drip.
Anxiety makes his heart beat fast. She is holding his hand, pulling him gently on the dancefloor. Her hand is warm, sweaty in his from being nervous. Drip. A step back. A step forward. A step back. A step forward. It gets easier with every step. The dancefloor draws nearer, he puts his free hand on her hip. He looks her in the eye, a timid smile.
Drip. Drip. Tick. Tock.
Her eyes smile back at him. He takes a step forward, her leg moves with his. His hand is shaking on her hip. He takes another step, the other foot this time. This gets easier as it continues. His hands grow steadier with every step. His heart is beating faster, but not because of fear this time.
Drip.
They’re dancing through the clouds. A smile on her lips, her heart beating fast. He’s laughing, his heart going faster. Their feet move together in harmony. Feeling the sun smile down on them, in their faces. Or is it the moon?
The song is over. He takes her hand this time, feels the warm sweat on his. He leads her to the balcony. They stand out there, alone. The full moon reflecting in her eyes. The echo of music from inside. It comes closer, the moon. Or is it her that’s coming closer? Their noses touch. Their lips touch. He jerks away, suddenly nervous. Her hand on the back of his head pulls him closer again. Another touch, longer this time.
She smiles at him, nervously. He smiles back, nervously.
Drip. Tick. Drip. Tock. Cold. Cold in his hand. Eyes hollow. Tick. A faint smile. Drip.
She smiles at him. He pulls her into his arms, embraces her. Together, they go back in. Onto the dancefloor. He’s twirling her around. She’s laughing out loud now, joy in her eyes. There are butterflies in his stomach, trying to fly upwards. Another dance, chuckling at their awkward moves. They leave by the back door, into the garden. Smiling at her. Smiling at him. Enjoying each other’s company.
Drip. Wet on his cold hand. Tick. A tear? The shadow of a smile? Hollow eyes. Tick. Empty Eyes. Tock. Dead eyes.
Her hand cold in his.
She’s cold.
She’s dead.
And for the Sacul-style write-up, in Chinese:
我認為這是在第一次無聊，但它極大地增長了我。有快樂和悲傷的時刻之間相映成趣。我不太喜歡在最初幾分鐘的毛刺，但除此之外，這是相當出色。
Honestly, I'm still not exactly sure about the score I'm going to give to Sacul's song, especially since I want it to be somewhat accurate with respect to other songs in that scoring area. It's such a hard song to compare to others, though.
I'll write some more "good-bye" words to the three of you when we get the final results and know who is the winner.
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You don't write such writeups for a song you're impartial to, so I'm guessing you loved Sacul's song. Oh well. Glad you liked my song at least.
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I guess it's a matter of tastes. I do find the song I sent to have that emotional side which is why I chose it but that's OK, different people, different tastes :smiley:
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Mr. Red has informed me that it'll be another 6-12 hours before he will post results.
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I wish I could say it's OK but at this point it really isn't.
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poor Nekov
unless red gives the other two like 0's and Nekov a 10 there's no way
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poor Nekov
unless red gives the other two like 0's and Nekov a 10 there's no way
When I sent that song I wasn't expecting to win really so it's OK.
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Yeah that was quite pretentious but I liked it. Also, I think according to the translated Chinese write-up, I did well yet not as much as Ev.
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I couldn't get past the first two sentences. :lol
If I didn't get three more points than you from Tyrias and 425 together, I'm pretty sure I'm screwed.
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It's not bosk.
It's not Bolsters.
It's not Parama.
IT IS ME IT IS ME
Hahahaha.
And yes I'm telling the truth. You can't believe how hard it was to keep my mouth shut in this thread! I wanted to reply so much... :lol
Anyways, sorry for the delay in posting results, and how concise my write ups usually are. I do tend to get long winded when I speak, so I try to get things concise when I type. Sometimes after reading Tyrias' and 425's write ups I feel somewhat inadequate because my writeups are usually so short. But maybe I'll do better once my roulette starts, which will be VERY soon. It's all ready to go, Bolsters, whenever you give the word btw.
Anyways, onto the songs.
Nekov: Subsignal - The Size Of Light On Earth
I really liked the introduction a lot. That ethereal keyboard sound is one that I LOVE and wish was used more. The tight vocal harmonies are also ones that I enjoy, reminiscent of bands like Queen. I do agree with 425 and Tyrias, while I enjoyed it a lot, it was pleasant, nothing really stood out. It was a solid prog-rock song, but nothing made it make me go WHOA. It was also very repetitive, and nothing was really added to the repetitive nature that made it any more interesting than the first time I heard the keyboard phrase at the beginning of the song. I don't want to be like it sucked though, because it was far from it. It was very good. Just nothing that made it stand out.
Evermind: Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust
I know a little bit of Joan Baez's music, but not very much. I do really like folk music from the 60s and 70s, and this didn't disappoint at all. This piece was beautiful, emotional, simple, yet complex... I loved it. Folk music sometimes tends to get repetitive, but that can be overshadowed by emotional content and make repetitiveness seem shorter, and this does this perfectly. The synth strings and light organ adds to the emotional content perfectly; almost capturing a light rock/jazz quality that was quite common at the time but fails to be captured in today's singer/songwriter music... I compare some of this to other songs I enjoy from that era, such as Killing Me Softly by Roberta Flack. What a beautiful song.
Sacul: Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
I'm not writing a poem like Tyrias. So don't expect it.
This piece surprised me. I was thinking within the first two glitchy minutes "DANG IT WHY DIDN'T I JUST SEND SACUL STOCKHAUSEN DURING HIS ROULETTE I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN 5's" but then the glitches stopped and the music began. This music is like a lake or ocean. It comes in waves. Some of it I really enjoyed, some of it I was like does this really need to go on for 3 minutes? Like the extreme minimalistic (and I wouldn't even call it that) piano parts. Yes, it adds to the mystery of the piece, but hearing hte same 4 notes within the course of about 20 seconds without any added ambience can drag on. When that ambience is added layer by layer it starts to pick up and get interesting. And when it's in full throttle the piece really flows. What I REALLY enjoyed was the classical nature the piece incorporated; the cellos are really effective and emotive, and the clarinet was a nice contrast. I also enjoyed when even though the piece got repetitive, the piece stayed interesting because a new instrument would be added above it. I was pleasantly surprised. It was good. It didn't blow me away overall, but I enjoyed it. I would rather it be broken up into movements or something though.
Well there you go. The mystery is revealed. This was fun and I would love to do this again.
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so evermind wins
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I actually had a thought "hey, Mr. Red could be splent" yesterday morning. Haha.
Well, glad you liked my song. I was worried about you, I knew this song could be a perfect match for 425 and Tyrias, but I didn't know what to make of you.
So the question is, did I get 3.5 more points than Sacul or not?
Edit: Oh, and...
Evermind: Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust
I know a little bit of Joan Baez's music, but not very much.
Nice, because what I've got from the other judges is:
- 425 has Judas Priest in his banned list, but haven't heard their version of Diamonds and Rust
- I didn't ask Tyrias but apparently his mom is cool enough to know Joan Baez
- Bolsters thought that Judas Priest's version was the original version
:facepalm:
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I have an idea of who it might be, but then one or two artists on that banned list completely put me off.
Animals As Leaders and TDH threw me off heavily, but at this point I thought it was you too splent :biggrin: so I already know which of the information pieces were an outright lie haha. I think at some point I asked if it was you and Bolsters said no.
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Looking at the banned list... maybe it's splent?
Knew it :P
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There is also the fact Bolsters said that he thinks the judges should be the guys who already ran a roulette. That was my main argument against splent being Mr. Red.
I would've picked some different songs for red rounds if I knew. Though now that I think of it, I unconsciously picked some fogey songs/bands for those... Jethro Tull, Fish and Mark Knopfler. Knopfler's song is recent but it has a very fogey feel to it.
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I'm old but not that old.
Seek retribution by participating in my roulette, it's getting started as soon as bolsters is in his last round, which will probably mean the next day or two
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I can't believe everybody is buying into this shit :lol
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I saw Fletwood Mac and Rush on his list, and instantly knew it'd have to be splent. Also, I was right about it being an old user although not about the inactive part. Yet I've lost my crown, it seems.
I can't believe everybody is buying into this shit :lol
Does that mean YOU are Mr Red? ;)
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I can't believe everybody is buying into this shit :lol
Okay... why shouldn't we?
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no, I'M Mr. Red :neverusethis:
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I can't believe everybody is buying into this shit :lol
Elite - Mr. Red Song
This song is just TRYING to start something by just not believing the truth. This is so 2 days ago.
1/10
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No, really, there is a possibility it's not splent... but splent being Mr. Red makes a lot of sense in my opinion.
I kind of toyed with idea to create the fake write-ups and claim I was Mr. Red all along, giving everyone 3/10 and 10/10 for my song - which would've been a twist alright - but if that were true, that would've made this roulette a farce, so that wasn't an option unfortunately. :lol
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Goddamnit Bolsters, just post results so you can end with my misery :'(
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What if I said that Mr. Red is in fact not one person?
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What if I said that Mr. Red is in fact not one person?
I'd call it bullshit. :biggrin:
I'm not speculating anything anymore until the full reveal from Bolsters.
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Well being that it's currently 4am where Bolster lives I don't think it's going to happen for a few hours yet
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What if Mr Red is actually Ms Red? :o
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Well being that it's currently 4am where Bolster lives I don't think it's going to happen for a few hours yet
I'll see the full reveal in the morning then. Not going to stay up more than one hour.
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Elite is Mr. Red. Mystery solved.
Or it's splent.
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I must've forgot to post it, but the instant I saw Steely Dan on the banned list, I knew it was Spencer. Who the hell else would ban Steely Dan? :lol Why do you think I asked if Triumph would be usable instantly after you used Magic Power in someone else's roulette.
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I must've forgot to post it, but the instant I saw Steely Dan on the banned list, I knew it was Spencer. Who the hell else would ban Steely Dan? :lol Why do you think I asked if Triumph would be usable instantly after you used Magic Power in someone else's roulette.
Why do you think I made my banned list so short? I didn't include many bands because I knew something like that would happen.
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I mean, splent was only guessed like 5 times probably, and every time I was like "damn, how can we throw them off again" :lol.
Also, I'm really curious who's going to win now. I think it's going to be pretty close between Sacul and Evermind, I think.
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I think it's going to be pretty close between Sacul and Evermind, I think.
You think?
I think I've got 1 point lead from 425, 1.5 points lead from splent and equal score for our songs from you. I'm half a point behind and I'm never participating in anything 425-related ever again. :lol
Anyway, time to sleep. See you all on the flip side tomorrow.
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If I were asked to place a bet, I would bet on Sacul. Could still be Evermind, but I'm betting on Sacul.
Also, yep, I've completely driven Evermind away... *hides* ... Just remember that overall I've been the meanest judge to Sacul. :lol
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If I were asked to place a bet, I would bet on Sacul. Could still be Evermind, but I'm betting on Sacul.
Also, yep, I've completely driven Evermind away... *hides* ... Just remember that overall I've been the meanest judge to Sacul. :lol
Well, if it's indeed a one-point gap between me and Sacul with Nekov in between (something like 9 - 8.5 - 8) then the things I said before this round regarding the tight scoring and impossibility to make out three points in one round unless the competitor majorly screws up (and sending a 36-minutes long instrumental counts towards that in my book) were pretty much on point.
And if I really end up half a point behind Sacul... I'm seriously never participating in anything you're involved in. :lol
Alright, now I'm off for sure. Typing from the phone isn't really convenient.
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425, I have some songs that I couldn't send on this roulette because they where banned by at least one judge but not you, can I send you a few post-roulette bonus tracks? :P
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Wow, did not actually realize how close it could be, I thought after reading these writeups Evermind definitely had it in the bag, even with that 3 point deficit.
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Wow, did not actually realize how close it could be, I thought after reading these writeups Evermind definitely had it in the bag, even with that 3 point deficit.
I have a feeling it's going to be close.
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I'm rooting for the Ruskie. He's done the metal-heads proud, and I'd like to see him bring home the trophy for 'team-metal'! :lol
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my metal was too metal for this roulette tho
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my metal was too metal for this roulette tho
Your metal was too GJSDKLFHJSKLDRNSKDLRTJSKDL for this roulette
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underachiever was probably a bad idea in hindsight because I adore it but also it's way intense yeah
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my metal was too metal for this roulette tho
Your metal was too GJSDKLFHJSKLDRNSKDLRTJSKDL for this roulette
Splent getting in some quality banter now that he's revealed himself. :lol
425, I have some songs that I couldn't send on this roulette because they where banned by at least one judge but not you, can I send you a few post-roulette bonus tracks? :P
Yeah, sure, so long as they're not too glitchy! :P
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I don't think there's anything particular glitchy on my banned list, so...
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Ok now I have to make an EP or mini album out of 72 songs, should be fun :P
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Save some for my roulette Sacul :biggrin:
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I'm sending mathcore in your roulette splent
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Save some for my roulette Sacul :biggrin:
That's why I'm only sending it to 425 ;)
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Save some for my roulette Sacul :biggrin:
That's why I'm only sending it to 425 ;)
Careful, if he plays, he could cockblock you ;)
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I hope he doesn't :lol
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I'm rooting for the Ruskie. He's done the metal-heads proud, and I'd like to see him bring home the trophy for 'team-metal'! :lol
My thoughts exactly!
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Well I'm glad that this is finally over, and I'm very glad that I decided not to do this annually. :lol Here are the final results!
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(https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/RouletteChamp01/results11.png~original)
So, congratulations to Sacul for winning the 2016 Roulette Championship! :metal
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this feels pretty controversial tbh
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What the actual fuck... :o :eek
:2metal: :caffeine: :2metal:
Damn, only one point, that was damn close Ev - I had already lost any hopes of winning after reading the writeups, but seems I didn't do that bad :lol
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So I was exactly right before the final round, saying the difference in the scores won't make it possible for me to win.
Interesting how we both got the same score from 425. If not for splent, I would've gained only 0.5 points more than Sacul. :lol
Edit: oh wait, I suck at comprehending. I was looking at the Tier 4 scores. I blame 8 A.M. :lol
Well, congrats Sacul. :tup That was fun but it's definitely the last time I play this format. Gonna stick to playing with judges that don't rank a mess of the 36-minutes instrumental song equal with lovely Joan Baez tunes that I know I can impress with my songs.
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I'd be willing to have any of the three judges back again for another championship (even splent, most of his issues seemed to be either technical or related to the time of year), but not all three at the same time - I intend to mix it up and have different people judging. I also have some ideas already for the next two championships to spice things up and fix some of the perceived problems. So don't write off the format just yet.
I should thank my three judges for volunteering, and for doing all of the hard work in this. :tup
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honestly, i'd love to be a judge for this next time around
(i won't win a roulette and even if i do i'm not joining one of these again so :lol )
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Evermind, I know you probably don't care, but I would have called Sacul's song a mess, too, after just one listen. It really came together on subsequent listens, discounting the first 3 minutes, which I still am not keen on.
I knew you wouldn't be happy that I spotted you only a half point instead of a full point as you were expecting. I feel strongly that your song was the better one, but I also feel strongly that 8.5 and 9 are the correct scores for the two songs in question. At least Tyrias made it so it's not only my fault, and so it wasn't a half-point margin, leaving a chance for you to play in my V2 when that happens in 2073. Also, I will casually draw your attention to the grand total, in which I am the judge who gave you the more points than anyone in the roulette, and therefore the one who made it this close. All in hopes of you not hating me, naturally. As before, I appreciate your submissions—I will definitely be checking Joan Baez, Blind Guardian, Fish, Amadeus Awad, Mark Knopfler, Jethro Tull, Absolute Priority and David Gilmour. And I've already checked Avantasia. And I'll probably get Roger Waters' album because that song won't leave my head even though I dislike it lyrically. So basically almost everything you sent. Damn, your performance was consistent! Thanks for playing!
Nekov, I'm sure it's disappointing to make it this far and then drop behind in the finals. Though I may not have been as keen on your later submissions, you sent some of my favorite songs of the whole thing in the first tier. Hammock-Dream the Electric Sheep-Pure Reason Revolution was probably the best performance by a contestant on a single tier as far as I'm concerned. I'll definitely check all those artists, as well as several others of yours: Lights & Motion, Faunts, Nordic Giants, Papadosio and probably Subsignal, actually. Thanks for playing!
Sacul, congratulations on your big win! You and I don't always see eye-to-eye, but in this case you got me just enough of the time to collect the points needed to get the win. When you get into those atmospheric and emotional songs, that's when you and I can get along and enjoy the same thing, and you finally got onto a groove of those, really from round 7 onward: Saltillo, Alt-J, Bowie, Florence + The Machine and, despite the glitches, Kashiwa Daisuke. These are all artists I'll check out, plus Lord Huron and probably Riverside via their latest. Thanks for playing, obviously, and congratulations!
I'll probably do a thing tomorrow where I list my favorite songs of the roulette, maybe do rankings of each person's submissions, that sort of thing. Should be fun.
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nooo check out adhd from riverside not their latest
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It's been a pleasure to play with you djentlemen, you all rocked :metal
Thanks Bolsters for running this, even if it took almost 5 months :lol
I'd play another of these anyways. Or be a judge :neverusethis:
nooo check out adhd from riverside not their latest
Don't listen to Parama, check their last one. Then go backwards into their discography ;)
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nooo check out adhd from riverside not their latest
Love, Fear and the Time Machine >>>>> ADHD
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nooo check out adhd from riverside not their latest
I've already (in Sacul terms) meh'd two songs from that album. The first two tracks, in fact. I thought they both had good elements and showed promise but I wasn't too keen on some things, including some of the stylistic elements (which is what makes me think, maybe a different album). Sacul, as it turns out, just sent me another Riverside song in his post-roulette album, so I'll be checking out that one next from them.
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i can't believe how wrong you all are
i dunno love, fear, and everything else under the song was like, the most average of average releases for me. generally alright, about two pretty good but not amazing tracks, and zero staying power
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Dunno about Love, Fear and the Time Machine yet but I was pretty underwhelmed with ADHD, I liked the first two songs but it got significantly harder to pay attention as the album went on.
Oh and congrats to Lucas of course, did NOT expect this, I can't believe that Daisuke song got the scores it did - but what do I know, maybe it gets better on consecutive listens.
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Dunno about Love, Fear and the Time Machine yet but I was pretty underwhelmed with ADHD, I liked the first two songs but it got significantly harder to pay attention as the album went on.
you had this problem with the apologist too which leads me to believe you're not giving yourself the best listening conditions, tbh :lol
i'll admit that the first 6 tracks of the apologist are probably slightly better than the last 6 but adhd basically gets better with every single track, and it starts out great to begin with
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Oh, it does get better. On my first listen I basically thought "wtf is this". Probably did not help that I was slightly hungover when I did my first listen.
And congrats to Sacul on his win. Honestly, by the last round I was kind of rooting for you because you took such a big risk. It ended up being pretty close in the end, though.
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Dunno about Love, Fear and the Time Machine yet but I was pretty underwhelmed with ADHD, I liked the first two songs but it got significantly harder to pay attention as the album went on.
you had this problem with the apologist too which leads me to believe you're not giving yourself the best listening conditions, tbh :lol
i'll admit that the first 6 tracks of the apologist are probably slightly better than the last 6 but adhd basically gets better with every single track, and it starts out great to begin with
That's actually pretty coincidental, I don't think it happened anywhere else except for those two albums recently. And that includes tons of crazy stuff I would normally lose my attention with if I wasn't dedicated to it like One Of Us Is The Killer by The Dillinger Escape Plan. I really try man :'(
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i mean, both the apologist and adhd are prob top 10 albums for me so yeah it's all your fault :corn
why am i awake
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Oh wait, turns out I wasn't Mr. Red after all :(
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Congrats Sacul!!!!! :tup :tup :tup :tup
Nekov, I'm sure it's disappointing to make it this far and then drop behind in the finals. Though I may not have been as keen on your later submissions, you sent some of my favorite songs of the whole thing in the first tier. Hammock-Dream the Electric Sheep-Pure Reason Revolution was probably the best performance by a contestant on a single tier as far as I'm concerned. I'll definitely check all those artists, as well as several others of yours: Lights & Motion, Faunts, Nordic Giants, Papadosio and probably Subsignal, actually. Thanks for playing!
Well yeah, it was a bit disappointing but I knew it could happen, it's not easy to satisfy 3 people for so long specially when some of my favorite bands were banned and it's not the first time I fall short in the last few rounds in a roulette so it's all good. I'm glad you enjoyed the music so much and that you plan on checking all those bands, you have tons of new music to discover and that is always amazing :smiley:
Love, Fear and the Time Machine >>>>> ADHD
I agree with this 100%
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I'd be willing to have any of the three judges back again for another championship (even splent, most of his issues seemed to be either technical or related to the time of year), but not all three at the same time - I intend to mix it up and have different people judging. I also have some ideas already for the next two championships to spice things up and fix some of the perceived problems. So don't write off the format just yet.
I should thank my three judges for volunteering, and for doing all of the hard work in this. :tup
Yes, it's true. April was a really busy month for me, I had a concert after concert after concert, and so I was not able to devote as much time as I would like to listen to some of the songs throughout the end of March into April. Also, with my computer crapping out, and then Sacul's song not being able to be played on my phone until I downloaded it to my Google Drive, I couldn't listen to it effectively, because I usually listen in the car. Theoretically, I could have sat down to listen to it in headphones at home, but with a five-year-old demands your attention every five seconds, that's nearly impossible.
Anyways, congrats Sacul on winning the championship, and congrats to the other two for making it to the finals. This was a lot of fun, and I would love to do this again.
And don't worry, my banned list will be much longer for my roulette :lol
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Oh and congrats to Lucas of course, did NOT expect this, I can't believe that Daisuke song got the scores it did - but what do I know, maybe it gets better on consecutive listens.
It does. First listen, I was thinking "I can see this getting a 6 at most." But it really does get a lot better the more you listen to it.
I'd be willing to have any of the three judges back again for another championship (even splent, most of his issues seemed to be either technical or related to the time of year), but not all three at the same time - I intend to mix it up and have different people judging. I also have some ideas already for the next two championships to spice things up and fix some of the perceived problems. So don't write off the format just yet.
I should thank my three judges for volunteering, and for doing all of the hard work in this. :tup
You're welcome, and thank you for bringing me in for this. I probably will take a pass on the next one; I already have so much new music from my solo roulette plus this that I'll just be overwhelmed if I do another one so soon. I may change my mind though, who knows. But it would definitely be interesting to see one of us do the next one along with two new judges.
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So, do I have a free pass into the the next championship? Just curious :P
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So, do I have a free pass into the the next championship? Just curious :P
That's an interesting question.
I'm going to say that the championship is for the winners of roulettes of each...let's call them seasons. This is technically the final roulette of its season. So if you wanted to be in the next season's championship, you would need to win a roulette in that season.
So...nope. :laugh:
But as I said, I'm not going to do this annually, so you'll have two or maybe three years to win something and gain entry.
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I think he should get a chance to defend his crown.
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then he should try winning another roulette this year
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It's ok, I'll surely participate in Tyrias' and splent's roulettes and I have a pretty good grasp of their tastes now so I hope to win those at least :P
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I might skip splent's tbh, I'm way too into my weird metal stuff lately for him :lol
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I think I have a pretty good idea of Tyrias' tastes too. If I have a chance at winning anyone's roulette the upcoming half year or so I think it'll be his. Just a matter of trimming down the playlist because it probably has like 100 songs :lol
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You'll still have to wait a few months for my roulette, though :P. I already have my format pretty much worked out, but I just don't have the time to run a roulette until end of summer.
I'm really curious how you'll fit that 100 song playlist into 8-10 rounds, ToN. :lol
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Yeah, this is all assuming nothing got added to your championship banned list though, I haven't followed the roulette close enough to see which bands of my playlist were sent so maybe a few will drop off.
But everything depends on whether you'll have themes and that kinda stuff, and sometimes I save bands if I know there's an EP round coming if I know that band has a very good opening/closing song or something.
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So around September? Well, enough time to find new music :P
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So around September? Well, enough time to find new music :P
September seems realistic, if there's a free spot at the time. And there will be some additions to the banned list, obviously. Not just bands I found in the championship, but also some stuff I left off of my championship banned list because I was only vaguely familiar with it, but will be included in my own roulette's banned list (e.g. Gazpacho).
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Cool, yeah I understand, aiming to do my second installation around September aswell, and my banned list has become quite enormous compared to the previous one already. Never discovered so much new music in such a short period of time before.
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Oh and congrats to Lucas of course, did NOT expect this, I can't believe that Daisuke song got the scores it did - but what do I know, maybe it gets better on consecutive listens.
It does. First listen, I was thinking "I can see this getting a 6 at most." But it really does get a lot better the more you listen to it.
It doesn't. I spun this one about five times before the results were posted. I'm still perplexed anyone could give this jumbled mess song any score higher than 6.
I realize I sound bitter on this one, but I have no idea how anyone can like this song so much to give it a score above 8. And frankly, 425, the one point difference in this one is just as bad as 0.5 point difference in your roulette: we are talking about roughly 80 points maximum in yours against 240 points in this one.
Tastes, I guess.
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I might skip splent's tbh, I'm way too into my weird metal stuff lately for him :lol
Nooooooo please join mine :lol
At least read the OP and rules and stuff before you decide. You may be surprised. And actually, maybe you'll realize "Oh Splent is awesome" and go for it :lol
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Oh and congrats to Lucas of course, did NOT expect this, I can't believe that Daisuke song got the scores it did - but what do I know, maybe it gets better on consecutive listens.
It does. First listen, I was thinking "I can see this getting a 6 at most." But it really does get a lot better the more you listen to it.
It doesn't. I spun this one about five times before the results were posted. I'm still perplexed anyone could give this jumbled mess song any score higher than 6.
I realize I sound bitter on this one, but I have no idea how anyone can like this song so much to give it a score above 8. And frankly, 425, the one point difference in this one is just as bad as 0.5 point difference in your roulette: we are talking about roughly 80 points maximum in yours against 240 points in this one.
Tastes, I guess.
Well, at least you didn't lose with equal points ;).
And I stand by my score for Sacul's song. Actually it was higher originally, but a few hours after I posted the results I realized that score was probably exaggerated and pm'd Bolsters to lower it.
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I might skip splent's tbh, I'm way too into my weird metal stuff lately for him :lol
Nooooooo please join mine :lol
At least read the OP and rules and stuff before you decide. You may be surprised. And actually, maybe you'll realize "Oh Splent is awesome" and go for it :lol
well you already gave east of the wall a 2/5 so you can't be that awesome
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Oh and congrats to Lucas of course, did NOT expect this, I can't believe that Daisuke song got the scores it did - but what do I know, maybe it gets better on consecutive listens.
It does. First listen, I was thinking "I can see this getting a 6 at most." But it really does get a lot better the more you listen to it.
It doesn't. I spun this one about five times before the results were posted. I'm still perplexed anyone could give this jumbled mess song any score higher than 6.
I realize I sound bitter on this one, but I have no idea how anyone can like this song so much to give it a score above 8. And frankly, 425, the one point difference in this one is just as bad as 0.5 point difference in your roulette: we are talking about roughly 80 points maximum in yours against 240 points in this one.
Tastes, I guess.
I understand. It's definitely not for everyone. Honestly, I feel that way about the Bent Knee song that Sacul sent earlier and everyone was going crazy over.
All I really have to say in my own defense where you're concerned is that I gave you more points in total than I gave Sacul. I spotted you 3.5 points. And then the other judges negated them. Looking at the lists of what everyone sent, you and seneca were my favorite contestants over the course of the whole roulette. There's no doubt that Sacul started sending me a run of hits towards the end—much like how Nekov sent me a run of hits at the beginning and trailed off towards the end—and the longer the roulette went, the more Sacul gained in my scores, while Nekov fell back and you held firm (as was the case in my solo roulette). But your hypothetical Roulette Championship CD is probably my favorite Roulette Championship CD (seneca's probably has more of my very favorite songs, but yours is more consistent and has two additional songs).
I can understand you feeling robbed by me in the solo roulette. The drop-the-lowest score rule was controversial and will not make it to my V2. There was a close race at the top of that one and one or two very slight changes on my part could easily have made you the winner. But here, I've been the best judge for you, and the only one that picked you to beat Sacul. So when you take a look at the way the full roulette has gone, and not just the microcosm of the last round, I don't see how anyone could reach the conclusion that I robbed you here.
Besides all of that, I stand by all 69 scores I issued in this roulette, including Sacul's 8.5 from the final round.
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I might skip splent's tbh, I'm way too into my weird metal stuff lately for him :lol
Nooooooo please join mine :lol
At least read the OP and rules and stuff before you decide. You may be surprised. And actually, maybe you'll realize "Oh Splent is awesome" and go for it :lol
well you already gave east of the wall a 2/5 so you can't be that awesome
Yes but you wouldn't send that one for me
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Can I join your roulette and send songs by Harsh Noise every round?
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Can I join your roulette and send songs by Harsh Noise every round?
I will allow a submission from every lineup of Harsh Noise, but the song Harsh Noise is banned.
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I just found a Harsh Noise playlist with 37 songs in it. Beware what you wish for.
Edit: First song is 17 minutes long ;)
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Can I join your roulette and send songs by Harsh Noise every round?
I will allow a submission from every lineup of Harsh Noise, but the song Harsh Noise is banned.
Sweet. :tup
But in all seriousness, I intend to join if you'll have me. And probably Tyrias's, too. I think it'll be interesting to have a bit of a role reversal with my fellow judges.
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Now that a song like Stella actually worked out pretty good, I'm pretty bummed Sacul didn't send Cassandra Gemini, with the attention span of these guys it could've gone pretty well! It's the best 30+ min song ever for a goddamn reason.
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Yup, I'd be interesting in joining. And I just found a 29-minute-version of that 17 minute song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlQj_rsMk84&list=PLsudrm27pJroR0kS2P9pukUN6oIocUjg2&index=37
Ear-opening bliss. Evermind should have sent stuff like this, that would have guaranteed him the frist rank.
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the only song over 30 minutes I really like is light of day day of darkness tbh
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Now that a song like Stella actually worked out pretty good, I'm pretty bummed Sacul didn't send Cassandra Gemini, with the attention span of these guys it could've gone pretty well! It's the best 30+ min song ever for a goddamn reason.
I actually haven't even listened to it :lol
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Now that a song like Stella actually worked out pretty good, I'm pretty bummed Sacul didn't send Cassandra Gemini, with the attention span of these guys it could've gone pretty well! It's the best 30+ min song ever for a goddamn reason.
I actually haven't even listened to it :lol
You're a crazy person
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I'm not the biggest Mars Volta fan anyways, thus I haven't delved into their discography :P
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the only song over 30 minutes I really like is light of day day of darkness tbh
You misspelled The Great Escape.
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literally listened to that a few days ago and it was okay but kinda dull
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I've heard it, but it's been years.
30 minutes songs that keep my interest and stays interesting… That does not count symphonies correct? Besides 6° of inner turbulence… I honestly don't know off the top my head right now... Which means it's something that I haven't listened to for a long time or is something that hasn't been in my playlist for a while
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The Whirlwind
Light of Day, Day of Darkness
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Kaleidoscope
Drawing the Lines of Mortal Existence
All of the Above
The Great Escape